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And we are going to start with the
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and introduce our new fire chief Chris
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» To the flag of the United States of
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for it stands for it stands nation

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liberty and justice for all.

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instructions on exiting the building in
case of emergency and review of

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technology options. Jesse Baker, city
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» Thank you. So, for those who are here
with us today in the room, thank you for

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joining us. If there is an emergency in
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right to get outside. Uh for those
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joining us as well. If you'd like to
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agenda, please use the raise hand
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the chair call on you. Um otherwise, we
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» Thank you, Jesse. Agenda review. Are
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changes in order of agenda items?
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» No, no, nothing for me. Thank you.
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four. This is comments and questions
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the agenda.
Please come up to the podium. Make sure

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the green light is on and announce your
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» How about now?
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Um,
my name is Mitchell Cypes. I'm here um

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actually in two different capacities.
one as president of the Dorset Farms

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Home Association board and I'm also here
as candidate for Chin and a uh for state

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representative and I'll just before I
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recently retired municipal employee who
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feel for you in uh what you're going
through right now. So, um I know this is

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um I want to see if the city council
could help the Dorset Farms community

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with a bit of a problem that we have. Um
uh we're not get we're only getting a

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little bit of our mail and uh the post
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staff shortages and such and for some
particular reason they believe that a

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221 unit subdivision
um in a very concentrated development is

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somehow a rural route and they're
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have to deliver our mail um that we have
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that they didn't even announce it to us.
They just basically just stopped

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delivering most of our mail and uh this
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because uh many of us did not get our
absentee ballots. Now I I have full

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confidence that uh the city clerk mailed
them all and so forth. This is clearly a

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thing for um you know clear clearly a
thing on the post office that we're

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actually not getting our mail and um you
know we're informing our neighbors and

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trying to get the the word out uh
internally but um I want to know if the

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uh city could possibly help us maybe say
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I mean I don't want to be as the
candidate in a situation we're going to

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request that the absentee ballots be
delayed until this uh matter gets

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resolved. But if the city can do
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very appreciative.

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» Good evening.
>> My name is uh Carl Hardman and I'm here

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today to um present an app that I
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I built this. What's the name of it?
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» First Step.
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noticed that there are a lot of
resources out there in uh Vermont for

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people in need. Um, and but it they're
hard to find. So, what this app actually

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does is um you just go straight to the
app. You take the and it'll help you

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with that first step to get um started
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help. Um what I'm here looking for
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um any of anyone in like this higher
community leadership. Um, I did talk to

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about the app before and he said that he
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I have um a bunch of packets to hand out
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I sounds really interesting. I Let's
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» Yeah. And I think connecting with Chief
Pro was the way to start for sure.

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» Yes. Thank you.
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Anyone else in the audience or online?
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please.
I was just wondering how I was going to

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be unmuted, but I just got a message
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myself. So, yes, my name's Loretta
Marriott. I live um on Mills Avenue in

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South Burlington. And um I was um I'm
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in my opinion, Red Rocks Park needs some
attention. You might wonder why I'm um

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speaking to you now. And that is that um
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hiking around Red Rocks Park, which is
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um would be number one um there's
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two there's damage to the more than 100
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trails. Um, I sent some uh photographs
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um Jesse and Nicholas. Um I have lots
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it might be great if I could meet with
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while I wasn't here. So we'll talk more.
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that. Um, what to do about this
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five. And I don't know if you want to
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call it uh, good for now.
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to leaz with Nicholas or staff from the
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can vet things that make sense and then
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thought I would speak to Nicholas is
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department thing. You know, there's
public works and, there's parks and

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wreck and, you know, um, whatnot. Uh, I
don't think that it's just one, um, part

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of the, um, city structure that's going
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lot of these things. So I will meet with
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» Thank you so much.
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» Okay. So we'll move on to item five,
councilor's announcements and reports on

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committee assignments and city managers
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go?
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last meeting, but um I don't recall if I
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the uh housing committee. So I wanted if
I'm repetitive, I'll ask for your

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forgiveness, but I think it's worth
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met with Jasmine Hurley who's the
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um and had an opportunity the the
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agenda was on the housing trust and the
committee meets again tomorrow but there

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was a lot of good information exchanged
on how Wooki has structured their

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housing trust and the programs that they
fund with that um as a fair amount of

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benchmarking work that the committee is
doing in terms of coming forward with

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recommendations um to council on how to
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Um and that is it with um the one
comment that I will be at the um SBBA

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meeting at the airport tomorrow. Um I'm
just trying to think if I have anything

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else here. Um, I did have an opportunity
to sit in with Lori on a preview of the

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Civic Soul um, presentation that uh,
we'll all see and that's getting revised

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and updated on the master plan for um,
open space and uh, parks. Um, and um, I

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think everybody's going to be excited
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Tim, if you're still there hopefully.
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» I am here. Can you hear me?
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» So, uh, it was a pretty light two weeks.
I felt like a a bit of a vacation from

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city council, but in that time, um, I
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and Steve and Loretta Marriott were
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erosion in Red Rocks Park. So, it looks
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coming in. Thank you very much, Fetta,
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concerns about that. Uh, also I attended
the SB3C reception uh at the home suit

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and uh could not stay for the whole time
because I had to meet some uh my family

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for dinner because my son went back to
Taiwan for a second year of grad school

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at the end of August. And uh the public
arts committee is meeting uh in a couple

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days midday to do an evaluation about
the latest suggestion by the curator for

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a a one uh person artist show. Um I
won't be able to attend that. And that's

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all I have. Thank you.
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want uh folks in person to know that I
brought a basket of fruit fresh picked

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from some apple trees and I think
there's some peaches still left. So,

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anyone's welcome to grab if you would
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the SBC3 event. Really excited about,
um, Lunix coming to the corner here on

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Market Street. I attended the the Reckon
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the number of people there that
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department is is um uh it's it's really
testament to the community and the

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amazing number of events that our
department is able to hold every year uh

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just blew me away. It was several
hundred or something. I mean so multiple

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events a day I just you know just really
something and um we have a great

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department. I was at um the uh sendoff
retirement um for our former um chief

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and and and deputy city manager Steve
Lock who is um moving on to bigger and

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better as the president of the
international firefighters association

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who knew from South Burlington. Um,
there was also an incredibly well done,

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moving, just really, really moving
testament to Steve. The number of folks

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who spoke so highly of him um obviously
not surprised um was was really was

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really something. I was deeply moved um
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section committee meeting and an
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the at the economic development
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this number is right that our city
center had 11.7 million visitors last

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year.
Burlington only had 7 million visitors

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and I guess it's the mall. So, um much
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guessed. So, I guess we're doing we're
doing pretty good. A lot of people come

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to South Burlington. Um pretty nice. Uh,
and we we discussed some of what we're

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going to discuss tonight. There was some
good feedback on our proposed changes to

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the quality of life ordinance. So, that
was good. Sex is continuing to do their

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work. They worked on their work work
plan, a schedule for watering, discussed

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a little bit that they've got these
these big tanks out there now that are

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not the most attractive, but we need
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we're going to be doing in Eldidge. And
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to get um maybe better watering system
into that cemetery. We talked a little

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bit about the Shelbert Road Cemetery,
the need for a fence and and other

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things. Um so that's all I have. Jesse,
>> great. Thanks. Um I have quite a few

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things and Nicholas, if I don't say
something you want to hit on, feel free

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to add. Um so we are just for
community's awareness we are officially

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rescheduling our September 21st council
meeting to September 22nd. That will be

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warned widely. Um before that is our
green community festival on the 19th

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from 11 to 3 here at city um city hall
and the library and on market street. We

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are still looking for volunteers. So
folks are interested in volunteering um

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please get in touch with anybody from
the energy committee or Betina Migz. Um,

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we are also looking for volunteers for
the flyby 5K on October 3rd. That's the

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5K at the airport that runs from 7:00
a.m. to 9:00 a.m. So, if folks are

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interested, um, registration is closed,
but you could still come and volunteer

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and be a part of the community event.
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staff, any of them, if you are
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Um, the Secretary of State will be
sending all registered Vermont voters

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the general election ballots u beginning
on September 21st. So, starting

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September around September 25th here at
city hall, we will become a voting

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center. Um, so you will see the the uh
voting booths go up and will become um

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area not for campaigning.
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and the council, you can also see this
on the DRB agenda that uh the DRB this

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week held a sketch plan application for
the former Pillsbury Manor um property

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on Willist Road. Um that's including
subdividing that property into two

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parcels with the intent of changing one
of the buildings from uh formerly

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congregate care use to apartment use. Um
so it's the first uh new adaptive reuse

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that we will see in the city following
the council approving the LDRs a few

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months ago or last month.
Um as the council knows, we have our

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tier 1A act 250 application in. We have
our land use review board site visit

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this week and then they will have 30
days to uh provide feedback on our

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application. So we will hear later in
the fall. Um Erica, jump in here if I

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say anything incorrectly. At your first
meeting in February, the council

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approved that traffic signal priority
project. So, um allowing buses within a

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very narrow parameter to preempt the
lights to maintain the public transit um

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schedule of folks being able to use
public transit and get to where they're

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going. It's been very successful. Um
since June, red light delays on the bus

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system is down over 60%. So, it is
working and we haven't I have not heard

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any uh complaints about that preeemption
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Um work on Garden Street connecting over
to Midas continues. Uh the water line

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has been installed and they are now
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drainage work. Um they're still on track
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this year, which is great. Um thank you
to Erica and her team for continuing

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that work. Um, as the council knows and
hopefully the committee knows, we have

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um an economic mobility program that's
shared between uh Shelurn, South

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Burlington, Essex Junction, and Wooki
with an economic mobility specialist

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employed by CCRPC with the four
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our first event at the library at the
end of August with presentations from

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the Vermont Business Development Center,
SCORE, and the Vermont Small Business

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Law Center. um was pretty well attended
with about 15 entrepreneurs from South

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Burlington in the region looking to um
build their businesses and grow uh their

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entrepreneurialship here in the city.
So, we're happy to see that kicking off.

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Um and then finally, just wanted to give
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Thank you, Andrew, also for recognizing
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period, our team managed the farmers
market, the new parkfest um event, and

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the international food festival. So,
between our very small team, they

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coordinated seven different locations
with 12 musical asks acts and over 40

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vendors within a 24-h hour period on
Friday and Saturday. So, good job to

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them. Um beautiful weekend for it.
That's what I've got. Thanks. Sorry,

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Nicholas. doing it.

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» Okay. So, we're going to move on to item
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» I am.
>> Okay, great. So, our consent agenda. So,

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item 6A, consider and sign
dispersements. Item 6B, adopt 2026

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Vermont Town, Road and Bridge Standards.
Item 6 C, award the construction

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contract for the DPW site improvements
project to SD Island and authorize the

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inter interim director of public works
to execute and manage the contract. Item

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6D, approve the truck financing. Can I
have a motion to approve the consent

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agenda?
>> So moved.

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» Do I have a second?
>> Second.

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» I have a motion and a second. All those
in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Tim.

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» I.
>> I. That's unanimous.

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» Thank you.
So, we'll move on to item seven.

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» So, I'm sorry to do this to you, but
both of these public hearings are seven.

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Okay.
>> So, you need to vamp for eight minutes.

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» So, we are going to pause for a few
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hearing for seven and we're a little bit
>> ahead efficient with fewer counselors on

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the at the table. in theory go to 16 and
17 if you would like.

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» Okay, let's do 16. So, we're going to
jump to item 16, which is designate a

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voting delegate for the Vermont League
of Cities and Towns annual meeting

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scheduled for town fair on October 6,
2026. Jesse Baker, city manager.

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Um so the Vermont League of Cities and
Towns host town fair each year um on

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here in South Burlington because we have
the largest conference facility in the

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state. Um the annual meeting this year
is held the day before on October 6th.

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Um I am the past president of that board
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there. So I'm happy to vote on behalf of
the council but you certainly can

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appoint somebody else. Um the reason why
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um important this year, it's important
on all years, but at the beginning of

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each bienium, the league sets a policy
agenda and that will be reviewed at the

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annual meeting and approved at the
October 6 meeting.

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» Um very good. Do I have a motion?
I'll move to nominate Jesse Baker as the

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um voting delegate to the Vermont League
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Lang Vermont League of City and Towns
annual meeting.

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» Thank you.
>> And I will second that motion.

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» Thank you, Tim. I have a motion and a
second. All uh in favor say I.

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» I.
>> I.

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» I. And sorry for any background noise.
>> No, it's all good. So that is unanimous.

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Congratulations, Jesse.
>> Thank you.

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Congratulations.
>> And we'll move to item 17 to convene as

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liquor control commission to consider
the following applications

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for approval as presented in the agenda.
Do I have a motion to convene as liquor

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control commissioner?
>> So moved.

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» Do I have a second?
>> I'll second that.

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» I have a motion and a second. All in
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» I.
>> I.

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» I. I
>> we are now liquor control commission. Um

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can I have a motion to approve?
>> So moved.

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» I'll second that.
>> I have a motion a second. All in favor

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say I.
>> I.

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» I. And it's.
>> Can I have a motion to come out of look

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at control commissioner?
>> So moved.

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» So moved.
>> Second that.

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» I have a motion in a second. All in
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» I.
>> I. I. It's unanimous. We are now out of

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liquor control commission and we still
have five more minutes.

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» Goodness.
>> You should have listened.

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» I should have listed them all.
Read them all.

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So, we'll we'll pause here. Um, we'll
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come back.

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» Are you gonna keep the lines open?
>> Yeah. Well, you don't have to. I mean,

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you can jump out if you wanted to.
Uh the problem was that it's like uh a

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10digit code to type that.
>> So hang on hang on there.

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» It took me 12 tries

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because I did I didn't copy paste. I
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anyway I'll figure it out. So I'll I'll
just uh I'll hang on.

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» What's your what's your ETA by the way?
Well, right now we are passing in front

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of the innovation center, the LGE plant.
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» in Hoola.
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» So, we are headed back to the slip.
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» As we speak, the sail is down. The wind
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» an hour ago, but we had a good five, six
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it was really pleasant.
>> Sounds good.

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» Still really pleasant.
>> Sounds good. Thanks.

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» And now the sun has come out and so
there's there's going to be a sunset.

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So, it's uh but pretty nice.
You don't often get to see the the

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coastline this, you know, from this
perspective if you're on the bike path

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all the time.
But this is what the New Yorkers see

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when they look over here. They go, "Oh,
that's Vermont." And we're looking the

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other way going, "Oh, that's New York."
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It's a really good time to grab a piece
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What's

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up?

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Okay,
we are back.

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Timmy Solen,
>> I am here.

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» Wonderful. So, we're going to move on to
item seven, which is to hold a second

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reading and public hearing on updates to
the South Burlington City Ordinance,

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chapter 14, environment, chapter 20,
miscellaneous offenses, chapter 32,

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street, sidewalks, and other public
spaces, and chapter 36, traffic, and

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vehicles, and to resin city policy
2022-05

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and 2025-03.
These changes address behaviors related

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to unmet social needs that impact both
an individual's quality of life and the

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quality of life of the greater
community. With Bill Bur, Bill Bald, our

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police chief, and Collet McNeel, our
city attorney, presenting. Thank you.

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» Thank you. Good evening. Uh you he
pretty much said everything I was going

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to say. Uh these are indeed uh
ordinances that I'm proposing to help um

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address unmet social needs and and
essentially provide our offices with a

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tool um to help uh connect individuals
who may otherwise be service resistant

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to services. Um understanding that not
everybody will accept that or or may not

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accept that on the first try. We
anticipate u or I anticipate using a

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progressive enforcement model. Um, and
every one of these ordinances has the

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ability to be diverted to services and
that will be our intent as I I presented

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over the last several meetings. Now,

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» so unless the council has questions, I
would propose that you open the public

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hearing. And would you like me to read
that motion?

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» I think just before just one other
comment on that. I think we talked about

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it last time, but just to reinforce it.
Um in our in our in the chief's

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presentation last time, he showed a
really good image of a police of a of a

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car having an accident driving over the
median. Um where um one of the purposes

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of our ordinances, especially in chapter
36, is to address public safety and the

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safety of people um standing on medians
and the the traveling public and that is

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a strong motivator for for what we are
doing uh with regard to that those

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amendments.
>> Thank you. I I had one quick question. I

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got a call from a community member today
about the um and I I don't know if you

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can answer this or if it's specific to
the proposed um ordinance change, but it

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was disposal of drug paraphernelia and
there was some specificity there about

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sharps containers. Um and their question
was they often do some

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» Sorry, you probably should open the
public hearing first. I'm sorry.

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So, the motion would be to um to uh read
the ordinances by title and open a

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public hearing on amendments to the
South Burlington Code ordinances chapter

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14, chapter 20, chapter 32, and chapter
36 for the purpose of addressing public

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safety and quality of life issues.
>> Do I have a motion?

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» I'll move that we open the public
hearing.

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» Do I have a second?
>> And I'll second that.

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» I have a motion and a second. All in
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» I. Um, we are now in public session.
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» Thank you, Tim. So, um,
should we maybe before we do the public

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hearing, Chief, if you want to just
maybe just say a few words just

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summarize two minutes the the major
changes to the to ordinance?

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» Sure.
>> Sure. uh chapter 14 environment. The the

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changes uh would be to uh include the
safe disposal of drug paraphernalia by

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adding uh that no person shall discard,
possess, keep or store drug path in a

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manner that the person knows or
reasonably should know would

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intentionally or otherwise endanger harm
or potentially place an harm the welfare

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of a child by the inter in intentional
or accidental contact with the same. It

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will also prohibit or there'll be
language that includes no person shall

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discard drug paraphernalia except into
sharps, containers, or other receptacles

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specifically designated for purpose of
discarding drug paraphernalia on school

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property, daycare property, city parks,
playgrounds, or other properties where

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the person knows or reasonably shouldn't
know the ch the children congregate.

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This was to uh address issues or
potential safety concerns of uh drug

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paraphernalia being or children being
exposed uh to drug paraphernalia.

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Um the changes also include a
prohibition of littering in the city.

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Uh, chapter 20, uh, miscellaneous
offenses. Uh, no person shall no hunger

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intentionally in a public place openly
consume an alcoholic beverage or have in

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their possession an alcoholic or
intoxicating beverage container. Chapter

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32, streets, sidewalks, and other public
places uh will include shelter intents

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to the definition of structure.
Structure means any assembly of goods

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and materials including for temporary or
permanent use, shelter or occupancy

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including but not limited to tents,
bicycle racks, tables, chairs, act

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access ramps, rails, petitions or
vending machines.

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Chapter 36, traffic in vehicles. Uh,
unless, it includes language that now

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says, "Unless required by a traffic
control device applicable to

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pedestrians, no person shall stop or
stand upon any portion of the roadway to

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include any traffic island or design or
area designed to divide vehicular

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traffic. Um both this chapter 36 as well
as um chapter 20 both allow the city

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manager or uh to allow for a permit to
to either uh

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vi to to uh to be in the roadway or to
possess u alcoholic beverages in public

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or consume alcoholic beverages in
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All of them contain language uh that
will allow for uh we've added language

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in addition to language that currently
exist in our ordinances that allow for

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municipal the issuing municipal offic to
to uh divert the the offense to a

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restore of justice program. We we also
added uh or an appropriate diversion

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program as determined by the city
manager or the city man design that is

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designed to assist the individual
meeting unmet social needs. Uh so again

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they're all clearly designed to uh work
with work to divert people to uh a

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program or which you'll be hearing more
later in the night. uh I contract an

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employee embedded with this the police
department to connect people to

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appropriate social services.

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» Thank you, Chief. So, um members of the
public are welcome to provide uh

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comments and feedback at this time.
Anyone in the audience?

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Anyone online?

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Okay, seeing none, um we'll close the
public hearing and then we can discuss.

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So motion to Oh yeah.
>> Yep. So the motion would be to close the

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public hearing on the amendments to
South Burlington Code of Ordinances

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Chapter 14 2032 and 36.
>> So moved.

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» Do I have a second?
>> I'll second that.

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» I have a motion and a second. All in
favor say I. I.

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» We are now out of public hearing. I
>> thank you Tim.

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» So now I go on to your next agenda item
and discussion.

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» Sorry for that.
>> That's all right.

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» Yeah. Okay. Item 10 is possibly approve
item ah I jumped. Sorry. Item eight

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possibly approve updates to South Burg
City Ordinance. Chapter 14 environment.

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Chapter 20 miscellaneous offenses.
Chapter 32 street sidewalks and other

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public spaces. And chapter 36 traffic
and vehicles. and resend policy city

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policy
2022-05

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and 2025-03

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» Elizabeth
>> so now I will ask those questions for

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clarification
um one was on disposal of drug

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paraphernalia and I know there are
Vermont Department of Public Health um

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guidelines for disposal if a private
citizen comes across and this individual

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seems to volunteer for cleanup of church
grounds and things like that and

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indicated um how they are disposing of
it. And I I think when I just glanced

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over it as you were talking about it,
Chief um this is this is not intended to

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limit safe disposal to sharps
containers. It's any appropriate

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container. Is that fair comment?
>> That that's correct. any appropriate

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containment that is designed to to for
drug personnel to be uh discarded in.

414
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:13,839
Not well, we're the intent of this is
not to simply place it on top of, you

415
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:18,160
know, a pile of trash in an open trash
recepticle where somebody could still

416
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:21,280
access it or somebody unintentionally
pushing trash down may may get stuck

417
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:26,320
with a needle.
>> Yeah. And it it sounded like this person

418
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:31,280
was using safe disposal techniques, but
not specifically sharps containers. Um

419
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,720
but close, right? There's a whole host
of ways they can be done. It can be done

420
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:38,800
safely. It doesn't necessarily include a
sharps container.

421
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:43,839
» Okay. Um the other question was around
and I think I knew the answer to this,

422
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:51,920
but just for clarification for um the
public uh regarding the um public safety

423
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:57,119
issues associated with uh traffic uh and
median. Um, this individual asked about

424
00:36:55,119 --> 00:37:00,960
adding no soliciting, but I think you
covered that at a prior meeting, which I

425
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,400
was not in attendance, but I listened
to,

426
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:07,680
» right? You know, I asking somebody for
money is constitutionally protected.

427
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440
It's it's your your first amendment
right

428
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,960
» and that's what I indicated to this
community.

429
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:16,079
» The concern is where you're doing it,
how you're doing it in a location that's

430
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:20,720
safe. And as the city um attorney uh
stated, we did I did show a photo from a

431
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:25,760
crash that happened in July, an
intersection related crash on Williston

432
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:30,560
that forced a vehicle up onto the median
uh at Dorset where an individual often

433
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:35,680
uh sits. Fortunately, the individual
wasn't there at the time, but so there

434
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:39,200
is a in and majority of our serious
bodily injury crashes are accident

435
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:46,240
related or more significant crashes or
intersection related. Um, so this is a a

436
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:50,880
very big safety concern that we that I
have. Um, but additional to that, if

437
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:55,280
there is somebody that is standing on
the median, uh, they're likely doing so

438
00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:58,720
because of an unmet social need if we
could connect them to services, we

439
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:03,440
address this the immediate safety
concern and also hopefully improve that

440
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:08,640
individual's quality of life.
And another consideration is just that

441
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:12,320
we did an you know a quick analysis but
most of our medians if not all of our

442
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:17,040
medians are very narrow. Uh we're not a
municipality with huge wide medians

443
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:21,040
where um
you could stand safely. All our medians

444
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:25,839
are mostly narrow and very dangerous to
be standing in in the road.

445
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:31,760
» Right. Thank you. And the last one only
because I didn't know this uh or the

446
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:37,680
answer to this is um are bus stops in
the city um considered non-smoking areas

447
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,520
and I don't know who knows that question
or answer that question. I did not know

448
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,359
it.
>> I don't know that.

449
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:49,760
» All right. I'll find out and get back to
the individual.

450
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:53,839
Thank you.
Uh Tim, you have any questions or or

451
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,440
comments or
>> No, no questions. Ready for the vote.

452
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,520
» So, I'll just I just want to note
because we did have at least one

453
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:08,480
constituent ask uh about this. So, the
policy that we are rescending has um

454
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:14,960
pretty nuanced and elaborate procedures
around what a public safety professional

455
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:20,320
should do when um they encounter a
campsite, a tent site, you know, on on a

456
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:25,359
public space. um we are revoking that
policy and replacing with the ordinance.

457
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:30,320
The ordinance prohibits that but gives
the chief discretion

458
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:34,400
um to
address those situations in a

459
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:39,880
compassionate humane way by connecting
individuals with services. Um so

460
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:47,119
you know there's maybe less hair than
meets the eye. the discretion is moving

461
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:51,040
to the public safety professionals to
address those situations with compassion

462
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,000
with the additional resources that the
chief has identified and I just just

463
00:39:52,960 --> 00:40:01,119
want to make that clear for the
community. So,

464
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:08,240
um with that, we ready for a vote? Okay.
Do I have a motion? I'll make a motion

465
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:17,280
to approve um the ordinance chapter 14,
chapter 20, chapter 32 and chapter 36

466
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:20,560
and resend city council policies 2022-05
2025-3.

467
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,839
» Thank you, Elizabeth. Do I have a
second?

468
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,320
» I'll second that again.
>> Thank you, Tim. All those in favor say

469
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,119
I.
>> I.

470
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:32,160
» I.
>> I. And it is approved unanimously.

471
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:37,920
» Thank you.
Okay. So, we will move on to item nine.

472
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:43,599
We just hold a second hearing and public
hearing on updates to South Burlington C

473
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:50,160
ordinance chapter 22 parks and
recreation and chapter 36 traffic and

474
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:54,480
vehicles. These changes address electric
mobility devices recommend as

475
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:59,440
recommended by our bicycle and
pedestrian committee. inviting Bill Bar,

476
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:05,560
Bill B, police chief Erica Towel,
interim director of public works, and

477
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,560
our city attorney, Colin McNeel.

478
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,880
» Good evening,
>> are we still open, Jesse? Are we still

479
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,440
in?
>> No, you need to open another one. Um, do

480
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:19,920
he can do an intro and then you can open
or you can just go straight to opening

481
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:23,040
if you'd like.
>> Do a quick intro here.

482
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:27,920
» Sure. Sure. At the request of the uh
bike ped committee and our own um

483
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:34,640
complaints that the police departments
received uh we have brought forward uh

484
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:40,319
updates to uh two ordinance two city
ordinances chapter 22 and chapter 36

485
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:46,240
essentially moved uh did some
housekeeping and moved what was in

486
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:51,599
chapter 22 into chapter 36 identified um
the difference between e-tos and ebikes

487
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:57,520
uh and prohibited uh what is now
prohibited on the wreck bike path which

488
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:03,599
is essentially emot uh again as defined
in the in the ordinance.

489
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,880
» Thank you chief. So motion to open
public hearing.

490
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:11,040
» So the motion do you have a do you want
me to? You can go ahead and I'll

491
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,079
» So the motion would be to read the
ordinances by title and open a public

492
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:19,200
hearing on amendments to the South
Burlington Code of Ordinances Chapter 22

493
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:22,560
and chapter 36 for the purposes of
addressing e-mobility devices.

494
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,599
» So moved.
>> I have a second.

495
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:29,920
» I'll second that.
>> Thank you. I have a motion to second.

496
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,359
All in favor open the public hearing say
I.

497
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:35,359
» I.
>> I.

498
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:42,920
» Public hearing is now open. Anyone in
the audience or online like to address

499
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:42,920
these ordinance changes?

500
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:52,119
» Please uh come up to the mic and uh
state your name and make sure the green

501
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:52,119
light is on.

502
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,359
» So it's not it's not on yet.

503
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:09,440
My name is Isaac Theodore Rayson. I'm a
resident of South Burlington. I had a

504
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,040
comment on chapter 32, although I
believe it's already passed.

505
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:17,359
» No, please. This is the opportunity to
to make

506
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:23,560
» um I would like to suggest making an
amendment to the wording

507
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,560
on

508
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:36,160
section 32 and 30 uh 32 and 23. I'm
actually So yeah, I'm sorry. 32 was the

509
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:40,720
last agenda item. So we we've already
we've already passed that.

510
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:44,680
» Okay. And no comment is made.
>> Okay. Sorry. Yeah.

511
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:53,079
» Any other comments from the public?

512
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:59,040
» Okay. Can I have a motion to close the
public hearing?

513
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,520
» So moved. A second.
>> I'll second that.

514
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,359
» I have a motion and a second. All in
favor say I.

515
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,640
» I.
>> We are now out of public hearing. And

516
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:11,760
» I.
>> Thank you, Tim. And we will move on to

517
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:15,599
item 10. Possibly approve updates to
South Burlington City Ordinance Chapter

518
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:22,319
22, Parks and Recreation, and Chapter
36, Traffic and Vehicles. Phil Ball,

519
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:28,400
Erica Tao, and Colin McNeil.
>> Don't read it. I can just say um one of

520
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:32,960
like the what we basically did was we
took the ordinances that was in chapter

521
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:38,960
22, deleted that, moved it over to to
chapter 36 um and in so doing

522
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:45,560
incorporated that ordinance into this
and then adopted recommendations that

523
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:45,560
the bike ped committee had recommended.

524
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:55,599
» Okay. Thank you, Elizabeth.
>> Um no, just a quick comment. I know I

525
00:44:52,560 --> 00:45:03,359
was uh listening to something on the
radio today about the evolution of

526
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:06,960
emotos and ebikes and I uh I think this
is the move in the right direction but I

527
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:13,520
also feel like it's going to be an
evolving conversation based on some of

528
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:20,960
the um products that are coming onto the
market and being marketed to our youth.

529
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:26,800
Um because the um I know there's a
a wattage I think of 750. Um, and

530
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:33,119
there's apparently devices out there
that are not pedal assists that look a

531
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:40,560
lot like ebikes and are going over a
thousand and up to 3,000 that are really

532
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:46,319
motorcycles. Um, so I suspect with
technology and access, um, this is maybe

533
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:51,440
an ongoing conversation, but in terms of
uh, public safety and our pedestrian

534
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:57,520
bike access path, um, I think this is
one we have to keep an eye on.

535
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,520
» Thank you, Tim. Any comments or
questions?

536
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,800
Tim, you still there?

537
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:20,319
Are you looking for me?
>> Yes.

538
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:24,960
» What What state are you in right now?
What are you looking for?

539
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:30,319
» Um comments or we're considering um
approving the uh bike ped um changes.

540
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:32,960
» Right. Right. Right. Are you asking me
do I have any comments? No, I I I

541
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:37,359
support this.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um I just I just wanted

542
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:43,280
to um just clarification really for the
public. I I support this too. The

543
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:48,560
state law already provided for a lot of
this, right? State law already um says

544
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:52,000
that if there's a electric mobility
device or ebike with more than 1000

545
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:56,480
watts, it has to be registered, right?
And it's um it's a motorcycle, you need

546
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:02,000
a license. and state law already
provides I think for um distinctions

547
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:08,560
between
750 watt vehicles as ebikes and above

548
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:15,520
that is not. So just what what um
changes did we make to state law that

549
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:22,160
would not be in effect but for these
changes like what what are we adding?

550
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:28,079
So we we are prohibiting regardless of
you're absolutely correct. If somebody

551
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:33,119
is operating an EOT, anything over 750
watts on the roadway, they have to be a

552
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:36,319
licensed operator. The vehicle has to be
uh it's treated as a motor vehicle. It

553
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:40,880
has to be registered. It has to be
insured, inspected, all those things.

554
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,720
What we're saying is even if you do even
if you have the vehicle inspected and

555
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:48,720
insured and you are a licensed operator,
you still cannot operate it on the the

556
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:53,119
wreck bike path.
>> Okay. So, state law provided for that

557
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,079
that latter point. Right.
>> Correct. Yeah. We're allowed to regulate

558
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,280
what's on our recreation paths and our
sidewalks and state law doesn't cover

559
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:05,760
that. Just gives us the authority to do
so. And so with these amendments, we're

560
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:08,800
we're regulating what uses can be um
made to our our wreck paths and

561
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:14,960
sidewalks. Very good. Okay. Thank you
for that clarification. Um, are we ready

562
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:18,400
for the vote? Have a motion.
>> So, I'll make a motion to

563
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:22,319
» Oh, Tim,
>> yeah, I'm ready.

564
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,760
» Can you hear me?
>> Yes.

565
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:27,040
» Yeah.
>> Okay. You're making a motion?

566
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,920
» Yeah. Elizabeth was going to make a
motion.

567
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:36,480
» Yes. I'll make the motion to um approve
city ordinance chapter 22 and chapter

568
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,640
36.
>> Do I have a second? I'll second that

569
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,599
motion.
>> Thank you. I have a motion and a second.

570
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,040
All those in favor say I.
>> I.

571
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,119
» I.
>> I.

572
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,400
» I. Thank you. Motion is approved
unanimously.

573
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,920
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

574
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:57,520
» Thank you.
>> And we shall move on to item 11.

575
00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:02,880
approved contract with Howard Centu to
support a service coordinator to connect

576
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:06,880
individuals with unmet social needs to
appropriate social services as part of

577
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,960
the city's overall response to assisting
individuals

578
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,960
experiencing unmet social need. Bill
Brolie,

579
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:22,240
» good evening again. Uh yes, this is the
we've been talking and and pleased to to

580
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:28,000
bring forward to tonight what we believe
is a a

581
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:31,520
an agreement that that meets the needs
uh of of the city and the police

582
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:36,240
department in connecting people to
services. This would uh provide through

583
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:41,760
a contract with Howard Center uh an
embedded 30-hour a week um service

584
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:46,480
coordinator or social worker. Um I sent
out an email earlier answering a few of

585
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:51,760
Council Fitzgerald's questions. Um I
believe uh you as this is and we are

586
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:56,160
treating it as a pilot program, there
will be adjustments uh certainly made.

587
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:00,079
uh what data is specifically collected,
the things that are highlighted in the

588
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:04,800
contract are specifically related to
payment and and the contract. Uh but we

589
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:07,680
will continue to work to develop the
pilot program o o o o o o o o o o o o o

590
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:13,520
o o o o o o o o over the next quite
frankly few years uh as we as we

591
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:17,839
determine uh what what our data is is
showing us what how we're being

592
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:21,599
successful uh where the program is being
effective where it isn't being

593
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:26,559
effective. Uh I'm also certain that this
program will highlight uh gaps in

594
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:30,760
service uh needs that we can uh then
advocate uh to have filled.

595
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:39,280
» Thank you chief. Um just the the service
coordinator chief is will be on the

596
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,800
ground.
>> Yes, they will be embedded with us at

597
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,520
the police department. uh we will have a
a a a supervisory officer assigned as

598
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,760
the coordinator for the police
department to coordinate things like

599
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:56,640
when somebody's uh issued a a city
ordinance violation that can be diverted

600
00:50:53,920 --> 00:51:01,599
u to to ensure that uh really the
logistical part of that is being carried

601
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:07,200
through so we know when to uh when to
divert the ticket or not. uh we will

602
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:12,000
also be working to you know identify uh
or high frequency uh uses particularly

603
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:17,599
for noncriminal issues that are related
to an unmet social need that will go

604
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,960
through that that supervisory officer uh
they will work clo very closely with the

605
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:25,760
the service coordinator but yes they
will be on the ground uh unlike our

606
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,359
outreach workers I they will be out in
the community and will work with

607
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:33,920
community members uh certainly but their
goal is not to respond with officers or

608
00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:36,960
respond in lie of officers like our
outreach workers do. Our outreach

609
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:40,720
workers through Harvard are really
designed to deal with people in acute

610
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:46,640
crisis, help that person navigate out of
crisis. Uh this position is really

611
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:51,040
designed to uh help people that are
truly experiencing an unmet social need

612
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:57,920
who are not in crisis uh from and get
them connected to services to either

613
00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:00,960
limit or um limit any future crisis or
limit really any future police

614
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:03,839
involvement or or public safety
involvement.

615
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:13,319
Thank you.
So, let's see. Um,

616
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:13,319
any public?

617
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:27,839
» Yeah, I think um I think this is uh will
go great with that first step. Vermont,

618
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:30,880
it's on the green.
>> Can you hear me?

619
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,720
» Okay, just please state your name again.
Um, my name is uh Carl Hardman. Yeah, I

620
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:40,079
think this would go great with the First
Step Vermont app that I was uh talking

621
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:45,920
about earlier, especially since in those
situations, you know, um going there,

622
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:49,359
not knowing what's going on, and um
being able to just open the app, say

623
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:55,280
exactly what's going on in that
situation, and be directed

624
00:52:52,160 --> 00:53:00,720
um to whatever resources is needed um
would help everybody involved at that

625
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:04,280
moment.
Yeah, thank you.

626
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:14,079
» Okay, so um
can I make a couple of comments? Um one,

627
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:20,160
thank you chief for responding to the
questions I had. I did have um a number

628
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:24,880
of question that um Chief Bro responded
to around the credentiing of the um

629
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:29,680
service coordinator which is largely in
the social work area. the um uh

630
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:35,040
outcomes, how outcomes would be
monitored as as the pilot progresses

631
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:39,760
forward. Um and I think uh there's been
a lot of thought given to that. I'm very

632
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:45,280
supportive of this investment. It does
sound like we need to um distinguish in

633
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:51,119
terms of the funding model those
services focused with or utilizing the

634
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:55,440
opioid settlement funds. Um and I
understand that better now. Um I also

635
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:59,760
wanted to understand sort of the
difference between the service

636
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:04,400
coordinator role and our current and
this agreement and the regional access

637
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:08,640
to Howard Center resources which was
also explained that one is sort of

638
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:14,400
crisis oriented and one is really an
ongoing role in support of um really

639
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:20,079
looking at improved outcomes for
individuals who need these services. So

640
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:24,400
I was appreciative of that. Um, the one
area I did want to highlight and I

641
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:29,200
wasn't sure if this was accurate, but I
want to just reinforce it. There was a

642
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:35,680
note in the background information that
there is potential expense for superi

643
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:42,000
supervision through Howard Center and
mileage that could total annually about

644
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:46,319
77,000. Is that accurate?
>> Yes. And and I've had conversations

645
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:52,880
specifically about those as well. that
is a essentially a worst case scenario.

646
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:56,400
So, uh we will we will have uh input
into that. Again, I don't foresee this

647
00:54:54,800 --> 00:55:02,079
individual going out into the community
very very often. Um so, I don't think

648
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:05,359
mileage will be um or if they do out in
the community, we can we can coordinate

649
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:10,000
that through through the police
department. Um so, I don't know if I

650
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:14,800
think to answer your question, yes, it
is it is potentially accurate. That is a

651
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:19,200
worst case scenario, but I absolutely
plan on managing that very very closely.

652
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:21,680
I I don't anticipate those costs being
to that level. That

653
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:27,200
» Yeah. And I mean, just for clarity,
that's about the same amount that we're

654
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:30,559
funding a position that's an 80% FTE, I
believe.

655
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:34,160
» Um, so as we look at sustainable funding
going forward based on the success of

656
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,359
this program, that will need to be
factored in as well. Right.

657
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:41,280
» But I appreciate the clarity on that.
Thank you.

658
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:45,760
» Yeah. And and I did um if you looked at
uh at one of the first meetings back on

659
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:53,680
June 1st, I did provide the council uh
with a uh essentially what we our

660
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:58,240
funding request to use funding and a
memo that explained um there was there

661
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:02,960
was money built in for transportation,
there was money built in for training,

662
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:07,200
there's money also. So I I'm confident
that we can cover that u even in the

663
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,799
worst case scenario. But again, I don't
anticipate it being there and I will

664
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:15,720
absolutely do everything I can to manage
that so it doesn't uh get to that level.

665
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:26,960
» Uh Tim, any comments, questions?
>> No, no comments. I support this fully.

666
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:34,079
» As do I. And I just want to note, I
think this is an incredibly um creative

667
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:39,680
and really good use of close to
threequarters million dollars that the

668
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:46,960
city's getting um because of the opioid
settlement. And thank you, Chief, for

669
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:53,680
um thinking this through and using those
funds so so wisely for a really great

670
00:56:50,079 --> 00:57:00,720
program that um I'm hoping will be
really successful. So yeah, thank you.

671
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:04,880
So if there are no more comments or
questions, do I have a motion to

672
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,319
approve?
>> I will move to approve the contract with

673
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:10,559
Howard Center to support a service
coordinator.

674
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,839
» Do I have a second?
>> I will second that motion.

675
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:16,160
» Thank you, Tim. I have a motion and a
second. All in favor say I.

676
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,599
» I.
>> I.

677
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:22,760
» I.
>> And it is unanimous and approved. Thank

678
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,760
you all.

679
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:27,079
» Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Colin.

680
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:37,440
Okay, we are moving on to item 12. A
little bit ahead of schedule. I hope our

681
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:42,480
candidate or states are here. Do we have
the schedule of candidates, Jesse?

682
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:49,280
» So, we have two candidates. Um, D uh
Theodore is that is here in the room.

683
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:54,319
Um, and then the other candidate Dan was
supposed to be here in the room and is

684
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:58,319
not here. So, but we did tell them to
come around 7. So,

685
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:03,520
» so
Theodore is that Theodore, please come

686
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:06,559
down.
>> And um just while Theodore is coming

687
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,359
down, I will also note that we do have
an executive session planned for the end

688
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:15,319
of your council meeting to talk about
the uh candidates to the development

689
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:15,319
review board if you are so interested.

690
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:23,200
» Um so, thank you for coming. Please,
please tell us about yourself and why

691
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:27,680
you'd like to be on the DRB.
>> Uh, my name is Theodore Isaac Rayson.

692
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:32,799
I'm an undergraduate student and
resident of South Burlington. Um, I'm a

693
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:39,040
researcher at the University of Vermont
on housing and transportation policy

694
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:45,280
um, in the cities of Burlington, South
Burlington, uh, and in variety of cities

695
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:51,040
in the state of Connecticut. Um, I am
uniquely, um, qualified, I believe, uh,

696
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:54,079
to help on a development review board
due to my knowledge of zoning

697
00:58:52,400 --> 00:59:00,880
ordinances,
um, and building restrictions, um, in a

698
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:05,599
variety of states and and cities. Um I
believe that a younger representation on

699
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:09,040
development review board and in city
government in general which is

700
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:14,720
overwhelmingly
um uh participated in by people who are

701
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:20,000
of established residency
um younger generations are often

702
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:25,200
discounted. Um, and a younger candidate
like myself, I believe, uh, would be

703
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:30,640
helpful in in having a unique, uh, view
and perhaps a change of pace on a on a

704
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:35,520
review board of such, uh, what is
usually associated as very mundane

705
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:38,559
activity.
So for my benefit, can you just

706
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:44,720
elaborate
just connect for me um the research that

707
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:51,079
you do with the kind of questions and
issues that the DRB wrestles with?

708
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,079
» Sure.

709
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:58,720
» Oh, it's a tough. Um, in terms of
development review, when you're

710
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:04,799
approving and or not approving or
sending back proposals and um, it often

711
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:09,359
requires um, going through relatively
strict and rigorous processes that are

712
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:13,680
laid out by somebody who is not
yourself, as in you're following the

713
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:18,079
laws set out by the government. Um, and
you have to be relatively tight within

714
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:23,359
those laws. There's some usually room
for interpretation, which I think some

715
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:29,680
people take to liberties. um as is
theirs. Um and my research in particular

716
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:33,599
is often about um the existing laws that
are in place uh how they are used and

717
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:38,799
understanding development at every
stage. Um we're speaking

718
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:44,319
uh mostly about building housing, right?
Let's just say take that as an example

719
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:49,920
and using commercial spaces. Um, in most
of my research, I'm covering uh

720
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:57,440
increases or decreases or policy changes
that um work to either um hopefully

721
01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:04,000
improve the development in certain areas
um instead of and make cities more uh

722
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:09,040
compatible for uh what usually is
transit oriented folks um people of a

723
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:13,839
younger generation preparing our cities
for the future. Um and often I scour

724
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:20,400
through much of development papers of
other cities and how things are built.

725
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:23,839
Um I am able to um understand what
things are within them, what things are

726
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:30,480
not within them. And as mostly a
byproduct of the research, I've kind of

727
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:34,000
become uh very um aware of much of what
development review boards deal with. Uh

728
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:40,400
usually I'm on the other side of it, but
I would be happy to uh to give some time

729
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:46,400
to help out my local government.
Do you feel um that you so DRB as you

730
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:49,839
correctly articulated um kind of works
within the constraints of the law and

731
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:55,280
has to kind of fairly and objectively
with with some discretion apply the law

732
01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:01,040
to the matter before the DRB. Do you
feel that you can kind of do that

733
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:05,599
objectively and fairly?
>> Um when doing research we always have to

734
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:12,000
be fair and objective. There is no
partisan partisanship per se. um I am

735
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:17,119
very much able to differentiate between
law and policy and opinion um which is

736
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:21,599
something that I have to do on a daily
basis um and it's something I can

737
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:26,799
continue to do on development review
board without issue.

738
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:33,839
» Thank you. Um so I am going to pause for
a moment. I'm going to welcome our chair

739
01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:39,839
and I'm gonna hand over the chair.
>> You're doing you're doing a great job.

740
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:44,280
I'm trying to get my sea legs back. It's
so choppy out there. Three inch waves.

741
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:52,000
» Just nowhere.
>> Good evening, Theodor. I was listening

742
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:55,839
to your conversation just now. Sorry for
my tardiness, but I was online the whole

743
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,000
time with you guys.
>> Yeah.

744
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:03,680
» Catch your breath, Tim, and ask a
question. Um, can you, as you probably

745
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:07,520
reviewed some of our ordinances and so
forth, you might have had some thoughts

746
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:12,079
as to, gee, these are things I'm
researching in my education that I'd

747
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,440
like to see South Burlington consider.
Can you give some thoughts or ideas of

748
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,200
what has occurred to you as you looked
at that?

749
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:22,880
» U, so I actually just went over with the
city attorney. It was something that I

750
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:28,480
randomly caught looking over at one of
your zoning ordinances or definitions, I

751
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:34,559
guess, of um, of your housing types. um
in Burlington. I had done a report,

752
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:40,720
I would like to say in April, um
studying the effects of um the 2024 uh

753
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:47,520
zoning changes which made up to four
units of housing uh by right on one plot

754
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:54,799
of land. Um it added some kind of limits
on um lot sizes and setbacks, things

755
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:59,520
like this. Um but generally um by right
multif well as in multif family housing

756
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:04,559
middle housing in particular with
multiple entrances usually town homes

757
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:09,200
which are vertical partitions
um or forms of like multif family so as

758
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:16,160
in there are multiple entrances on
multiple floors. Um those two types of

759
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:20,160
housing have been known to one not um
not affect neighborhood character in the

760
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:25,440
same way an apartment building might.
Um, and you can usually increase

761
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:32,000
population density, lower housing costs
for renters specifically, and provide um

762
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:35,520
a more of a a transit oriented
development that can be built there. Um,

763
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:42,960
as you have more people living in the
same area. Um, there's a multiple

764
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:47,839
multitude of studies saying um that the
water requirements and um usually waste

765
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:52,319
disposal are usually about the same as a
single family home. they don't quite

766
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:57,839
reflect it if it was up policy that was
up to me. Um by right multif family

767
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:02,119
housing um on a single plot is very
important. Middle housing it's called.

768
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,319
» I got a couple questions. So you're a
grad student.

769
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,079
» I am an undergraduate.
>> Under you're an undergrad student right

770
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:12,000
now. Okay. You're So you're now a you
senior junior?

771
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:13,440
» Yes.
>> Senior.

772
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:17,839
» Junior.
>> You're now a junior. Okay.

773
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:21,359
» Second semester. Have you had any chance
to attend a DRB meeting? Did I did they

774
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,559
get asked that question? No.
>> No, sir. I was asked by

775
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:28,880
» Haven't had a chance yet. Yeah. Do do
you know how our review board works at

776
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:32,960
all? What process they go through and
you know, so like a developer, a real

777
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:35,920
estate person or you know, somebody has
a plan for a project, right? They bring

778
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:40,079
it to the city, they go through planning
and zoning. When they finally go to the

779
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:44,160
DRB, the first plan is a sketch plan. It
has no legal standing. They just get

780
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:48,720
feedback from DRB. they go back, rework
it, bring it back again, and then it

781
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:53,440
goes through um preliminary and then
usually final. So, so planning and

782
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:58,240
zoning's job is to take all of the
details of that application, then run it

783
01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:02,720
through the LDRs to find out where there
are conflicts, you know, or possible,

784
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:06,880
you know, needs for evaluation. And then
then it that gets that data gets dumped

785
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:10,319
on the DRB and then the applicant comes
in for a hearing and they they go

786
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:14,079
through it line by line every single
thing you know this fits this fits this

787
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,359
doesn't fit right and then they look for
feedback from the applicant blah blah

788
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:21,839
blah and they try to work out those and
then in in a best case right the DRB

789
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:25,920
final approves it right and and then
eventually the permits in the worst case

790
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:30,160
they it gets rejected right and they
have to go back and rework on so so

791
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:33,200
people in the DRB don't they're not like
on the planning commission they don't

792
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:36,319
make any rules right? They are quasi
judicial, right? So, they're the ones

793
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:40,960
that are taking input from planning and
zoning and then helping that whole

794
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:45,680
process to to tell a developer what what
they need to do, right? What standards

795
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:49,280
they have to apply to. So, and so my my
question is do you go home in the

796
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:54,400
summer?
>> Um, I was home this summer. I will

797
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:58,640
likely not be for the continuing of my
education. I will be here in South

798
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:03,440
Burlington. Um, and when you had
mentioned the back and forth process,

799
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:08,160
um, It's usually a lengthy process, but
at the end of the day, um is my belief

800
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:16,640
that we're here to get things built and
and provide them in a in a way that

801
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:20,559
is of the least uh kind of inhibit to
the people who are trying to develop

802
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:24,559
them while they follow the law. But
making sure that we're providing helpful

803
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:28,240
feedback um instead of just telling
people to go back to the drawing board,

804
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:32,240
right? um making sure that we can
provide that helpful feedback um in how

805
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,920
to correct certain things. I believe
that that's something that I'm I'm able

806
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,640
to
>> So, the question I'm asking is will you

807
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:40,640
be able to attend most of the meetings
if they're twice a month on on Tuesday

808
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:46,240
nights at at 7 o'clock?
>> Yes. And I was aware uh that we can also

809
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:50,640
use online segments to be able to do
that.

810
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:52,799
» Yeah. Yep. And and is your summer is
that is that in Vermont or is that

811
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,520
somewhere else?
>> I'm originally a resident of the state

812
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,599
of Connecticut, sir.
>> From where? the state of Connecticut,

813
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:04,559
sir.
>> Connecticut. Okay. Yeah. All right. Um I

814
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,480
guess no other questions. Yeah.
>> But but thank you for applying. I

815
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:11,440
appreciate it.
>> Thank you. I was approached by um I

816
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:12,960
believe Mrs. Beth Ziggman.
>> Yeah. Counselor.

817
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:18,119
» Thank you.
>> Um thank you.

818
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,119
» Thanks.

819
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:32,679
Um, you do have one other candidate, but
um, I do not see them in the room or

820
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:32,679
online at the moment.

821
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:41,719
» And who was that candidate supposed to
be?

822
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:41,719
» Uh, Dan Conland.

823
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:48,560
So, I would keep
>> Are we early or

824
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:51,600
» We're very early, but we told them to be
here early. Yep.

825
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:55,679
» Okay. Okay.
>> If for some reason they come back on

826
01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:00,440
before we end the meeting, is that okay
if we let them? Okay. Great.

827
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:09,040
All right. So, that's the only person we
can interview right now. Okay. So, that

828
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:11,920
was item 12. Um, and you didn't do 13
yet, right?

829
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:15,520
» Correct. Okay. So, let's move on to item
13. An update on rece and received a

830
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:21,279
pres presentation from the city staff
about plans to locate a low barrier

831
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:26,480
shelter in South Burlington.
>> Um so, um we wor this agenda item in

832
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:30,719
partnership with the Central Vermont
Office of Economic Opportunity. Last

833
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:33,920
Wednesday, last Wednesday evening, um we
received a communication from their

834
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:38,480
executive director requesting that we
withdraw their presentation from

835
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:42,319
tonight's meeting. Um, I made the choice
with staff to keep it on the agenda

836
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:47,040
tonight as the council had not uh
received the council northern committee

837
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:51,040
had received um this proposal yet and we
thought it was worthwhile to continue to

838
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:55,920
present kind of what we had heard, what
we had experienced um and how quite

839
01:09:54,080 --> 01:10:03,600
frankly we hope we can move forward in
partnership. Um so while no the council

840
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:12,080
has no action to take tonight or with
this project overall um we do did

841
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:16,080
encourage um the CBOE to engage in in
deep community engagement which was the

842
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:20,960
purpose of this initial agenda item and
we hope coming out of this conversation

843
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:27,199
tonight that you will support staff to
continue working in partnership with CBO

844
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:31,280
CHT our municipal partners the state um
to best serve all of our neighbors in

845
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:36,640
South Burlington.
So, a little history about the staff

846
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:43,760
conversation related to uh a low barrier
or or any shelter in South Burlington.

847
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:48,320
So, in May, uh staff met with CVOE and
uh Champlne Housing Trust, CHT to

848
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:52,239
discuss generally the concept of a
shelter in Jenning County. At that

849
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:56,719
point, there were many locations being
discussed. Um and we talked about more

850
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:02,719
the concept generally than specific
locations. Um as a followup uh we met

851
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:06,960
with at CBOE's request met with them on
August 24th a couple weeks ago where

852
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:13,120
they laid out these specific plans for
1717 Williston Road. At that meeting uh

853
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:17,679
myself, the two public safety chiefs,
the deputy city manager were there and

854
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:21,520
reviewed with them some of the concerns
that we laid out in the impact memo

855
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:24,960
that's included in your presentation
tonight.

856
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:30,000
Um we also recommended that they engage
in deep um community engagement around

857
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:33,440
locating um such a shelter in our
community and tonight's conversation was

858
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:38,159
to be the start of that community
engagement.

859
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:42,640
Um so as we as we state in our impact
memo um the housing crisis in Vermont

860
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:47,600
continues to leave our most vulnerable
neighbors behind. Um, however, we're not

861
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:52,000
convinced that this 100 bed shelter as
currently proposed um enhances the

862
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:56,480
service or options for our most
vulnerable neighbors. Um, however, we

863
01:11:54,640 --> 01:12:01,520
would certainly we as staff would
certainly appreciate your support to

864
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:06,719
continue to discuss other options with
CHT, CBO, our regional municipal

865
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:11,199
partners, our service provider partners,
and the state of Vermont. Um so that is

866
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:16,159
what we are and we are happy to answer
any questions um you may have of our

867
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:19,760
conversations with CBOE
um

868
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:24,080
uh but we would love your support to
continue working in partnership with

869
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:29,360
them.
Jesse, personally, I think um you and

870
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:36,000
your staff have done a really good job
communicating on this. Um and I kind of

871
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:41,040
share your perspective as evidenced by
the the questions that you articulated

872
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:48,800
um as to the size of facility and the
location of facility. And I hope that we

873
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:54,159
can continue um working with CVO to um
ensure that we have facilities that are

874
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:59,880
both right sized and also in the in the
right place. And so I I look forward to

875
01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:59,880
that conversation.

876
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:06,880
Elizabeth,
>> I I think speaking for myself, I know I

877
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:13,600
had prepared for the presentation, the
conversation tonight, so I was surprised

878
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:19,520
to read in the media that um uh the
proposal was being pulled. Um I think

879
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:24,159
staff has asked excellent questions. I
know there's probably other questions I

880
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:29,920
know council may have and the community
may have. And um I'd welcome the

881
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:37,679
opportunity to um continue to support
staff in having conversations. I share

882
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:43,840
Andrew's um thoughts around uh you know
location right sizing and I think as we

883
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:48,560
discussed earlier this evening really
what a clear understanding of the

884
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:53,440
mission whether it's sort of crisis
focused um or as we just finished a

885
01:13:51,920 --> 01:14:00,320
previous discussion or connecting
individuals to services that really um

886
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:05,280
lift individuals out of different
situations whether domestic violence or

887
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:11,600
uh drug and alcohol addiction,
homelessness and so forth. Um so Jesse,

888
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:20,080
I do support any ongoing conversations.
Um and I I would hope in that process uh

889
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:27,920
particularly based on CBOS and CHT's
experiences that they are bringing the

890
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:33,679
um responses to what would seem to be
really normal concerns that do affect um

891
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:39,840
staffing and budgetary considerations at
a local level. And I feel like this is

892
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:44,880
something we all need to know.
>> Thank you, Elizabeth. I agree. 100%. Um,

893
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:50,800
this is an interesting proposal and I
think staff has done their due diligence

894
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:55,840
as far as they can to ask a lot of
questions because there are implications

895
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:59,760
for for our city uh if this were to move
forward and those questions need good

896
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:04,880
answers. Um, and I just want to remind
everybody that South Burlington has

897
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:10,320
committed itself in the past to
supporting uh a lot of affordable

898
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:14,719
housing. Uh to to name just a few, the
two Summit buildings on Kennedy Drive,

899
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:18,880
the Odell Apartments on Ferrell Street,
the Garden Street Apartments right here

900
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:24,960
on Market Street, the Brayburn Converted
Motel on Willist Road, um also the Hoham

901
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:30,880
Motel next to Panera on Shurn Road, as
well as uh the Dorset Commons on Dorset

902
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:36,000
Street. So this city definitely supports
uh the construction or redevelopment of

903
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:40,159
properties into affordable housing which
should be part of that path where we

904
01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:45,760
have such a problem with homelessness
that eventually people get residents or

905
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:49,760
or get apartments or something in some
kind of living situation that they need.

906
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:55,360
So, um, I'd like to see this
conversation continue, um, as long as we

907
01:15:53,440 --> 01:16:00,400
understand what those implications are
for our services and for the for the

908
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:07,040
people use the shelter itself because
they're pretty far from what their

909
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:10,000
services are today. So, thank you.
>> Take comments.

910
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:13,719
» Any comments from the public? Oh,
anybody on the line?

911
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,679
I don't see any. All right. All right.
Well, so we'll look forward to hearing

912
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:24,960
about this in the future for their
future meetings and Okay, great. Thank

913
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:29,199
you, Jesse. Um,
uh, let's go to item 14, which is

914
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:36,440
discuss and possibly approve the FY28
budget schedule with Martha Machar, our

915
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,440
finance director. Come on down.

916
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,120
» Good evening, Martha.

917
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:56,159
Is it that time already again? Didn't we
just do this like six, five months ago?

918
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:59,920
» Vote on a schedule.
>> This is the time of year where Martha is

919
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:04,640
hardcore living in three fiscal years.
So, she's wrapping up.

920
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:07,199
» She's wrapping up FY26, administering
27, and planning for 28 all at the same

921
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,080
time.
>> Well, that's good because planning is

922
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,760
what we should be doing at this point,
right?

923
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:20,239
» Great time of the year. So before you
was just the beginning of FY28 budget

924
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:25,760
process. So it is the outline of the
staff uh process of how to put the

925
01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:30,640
budget together and when the information
of the budget will be presented to you.

926
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:36,560
A lot of information is about the same
as we have done in the past and we have

927
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:41,600
I think the last two budget cycle where
we've prepared the working session with

928
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:47,120
the council for the budget. This year
we're doing it on a Wednesday, December

929
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:53,120
16. So hopefully that day work for you
all. And um so on the budget schedule, I

930
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:57,360
think the next time we come to talk to
you about the budget process, goal

931
01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:02,719
setting on this schedule, it currently
is September 21st. So we'll change that

932
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:09,280
to September 22nd
uh as said earlier by the city manager.

933
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:15,280
And I think those are the two highlight
that I wanted to highlight for you. Oh,

934
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:20,880
and we are also keeping uh the listening
session for the community. We will do

935
01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:26,320
the online survey and have an actual
listening session where anyone who want

936
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:30,320
to come in or either filled out the
online not filled out the online would

937
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:34,960
have the opportunity to come talk to
you.

938
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:40,000
One other thing if I can just highlight
um we are proposing um in the past

939
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:44,000
couple of years we've done a day budget
meeting with the leadership team and the

940
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:49,040
council um and we are proposing December
16th for that. It's a Wednesday for that

941
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:53,120
meeting. We planned it around um one of
your schedules. So we're hoping that

942
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:57,040
that works for the rest of you if you
are available.

943
01:18:54,719 --> 01:19:01,199
» Starting at 9. What time? Okay. Will
there be lunch? Oh,

944
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:07,520
» and I I don't know if you mentioned
this, Mark, but the um close out and the

945
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:10,000
FY28 goal setting is moving to the 22nd.
Correct.

946
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:13,440
» That's correct.
>> And did I see in the schedule that is is

947
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:17,760
this the first year that everybody will
be using the same software to submit

948
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:21,280
their budget proposals or is is that
they used it last year, right?

949
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:26,000
» Uh no, it was not used last year. In the
past, we've used a spreadsheet and this

950
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:30,000
year is the first year we're using our
new finance software. Okay. And is there

951
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:32,480
training involved or needed for that
beforehand or they have they already

952
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:36,480
been trained?
>> There have been some training and there

953
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:40,719
is going to be a lot of training as this
is the new time first time everybody's

954
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:45,840
using the system
>> and and do we think that this will

955
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:49,280
improve uh the speed with which people I
mean is it an efficiency improvement to

956
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:54,960
use this new software for this purpose?
>> It is a big efficiency problem for the

957
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:58,320
departments and for the finance team. So
it's not like a bunch of separate Excel

958
01:19:56,719 --> 01:20:01,679
spreadsheets that have to be recombined
and

959
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:05,040
» Yeah. So to give Martha a huge amount of
credit, our budgets have been accurate

960
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:10,320
for the last five years I've been here
based on probably

961
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:16,320
I don't know 17 to 27 individual Excel
spreadsheets that are merged together.

962
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:23,280
So it is it's not only more time time um
efficient, it's also limiting liability

963
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:25,679
of human error of formula glitches,
things like that. It will be it's a huge

964
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:29,920
improvement,
>> right?

965
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:34,640
Any comments from council? Anybody
online? Anybody in the house?

966
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:38,800
» You need a motion for this to
>> approve the schedule? Do

967
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:43,199
» I have a motion?
>> I move to approve the fiscal year 28

968
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:45,760
budget schedule as presented.
>> I'll second that.

969
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:50,960
» We have a motion in a second. Any other
discussion? All those in favor say I. I.

970
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:54,960
» I. It is unanimous.
>> Thank you.

971
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,960
» Thank you, Martha.

972
01:20:55,440 --> 01:21:00,880
And you've already done 15, right?
>> We have not.

973
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:04,960
» No, you did. You did 16. Okay. All
right. Good. So, now we're on to 15,

974
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:10,800
which is discuss and possibly approve a
process to develop a 2027 legislative

975
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:13,600
agenda with Jesse Baker, city manager.
Nicholas Stley Castro, deputy city

976
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,239
manager.
>> Um, yes. So, I'm going to give a high

977
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:20,239
level overview. Nicholas has been
through a process like this before. Um,

978
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:25,679
so he is his fingerprints are all over
this as well. So I'll um give him some

979
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:30,480
air time. Um but uh so both in our city
plan, we have a goal of being um a

980
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:34,000
collaborative and engaged leader
community and working at this regional

981
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:38,239
and statewide level. Additionally, in
your FY27 policies and strategies, we

982
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:42,640
talked specifically about taking a more
active role in developing an advocacy

983
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:49,360
agenda. So as we approach the beginning
of the bianium um we are recommending a

984
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:52,400
um uh process to develop that
legislative agenda in partnership

985
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:57,520
between the leadership team and the
council and our state delegation um to

986
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:01,840
better ensure that our interests are
aligned and well represented that we are

987
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:07,199
making strategic um decisions to
influence um items that might be moving

988
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:12,639
through the legislature and providing a
consistent framework. Um, we've laid out

989
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:18,480
a process schedule here for you to
consider it consider that would result

990
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:24,080
in the council approving um a
legislative agenda in November that gets

991
01:22:20,639 --> 01:22:27,600
it into our delegation's hands before um
the beginning of December, which is

992
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:31,920
really when things are due for bill
writing. Nicholas, do you want to add

993
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:36,719
anything
from your experience in this?

994
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:41,520
» Um, thank thanks Jesse. I would add that
um noted in the memo but really

995
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:45,920
important um the speaking with one voice
in this is really critical at the

996
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:50,400
capital. So um highlighted here that the
value of of um coming to agreement on

997
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:53,920
what these priorities are so that we can
go and we can be more successful and

998
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:58,480
effective if if we are speaking with one
voice. The other thing I would mention

999
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:05,199
um as you think about the ideas is more
specific is better. Um I think coming to

1000
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:10,880
legislators with the the thematic u
priorities is nice but giving them a

1001
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:14,480
specific solution um is more likely to
be successful and better for us uh in

1002
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:17,920
the long run. So I think as you think
about the things that you'd like to be

1003
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:22,040
uh considered in this agenda, the more
specific the more effective

1004
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:29,280
» and the hope would be to develop the
agenda and then um identify key folks

1005
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:35,120
who would be kind of the leads on the
strategic request throughout the term.

1006
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:39,760
So we could use our advocacy partners to
help build track but also know who to

1007
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:46,199
tap in because those requests usually
come very quickly. um and be ready and

1008
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,199
nimble for those responses.

1009
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:54,080
» And we we've discussed before, I think,
how um you having a real deputy city

1010
01:23:52,239 --> 01:24:00,320
manager full-time now kind of frees you
up a little bit to pursue some of those

1011
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:07,360
those state uh initiatives, right? Where
we would like to have more u influence,

1012
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:11,600
right, in peer. So that's a good thing.
>> It's a good thing. I I Steve was a real

1013
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:15,440
deputy.
>> He was he was h I mean he was also the

1014
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,520
fire chief. I mean it's it's tough to do
you know

1015
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:21,840
» we have a full-time Nicholas who is
great and brings a lot of very specific

1016
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:25,600
city manager expertise to the table. So
we have a we have more capacity to be

1017
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:30,320
able to do this. We also have a very
strong across the board leadership team

1018
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:33,600
who are often in the legislature
testifying. So to be more transparent

1019
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:37,760
with all of you about what they're
working on and give them more guidance

1020
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:41,360
of you know how we can leverage the
unique voice that the five of you do

1021
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:44,239
have at the legisle. I think we we
really have a moment of opportunity to

1022
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:48,719
be a lot more strategic.
>> There you go.

1023
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:53,280
» Um I noted on here sort of now to
midocctober is solicit advocacy ideas

1024
01:24:51,280 --> 01:25:00,159
from both leadership team and individual
city councils. Do you how do you want to

1025
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:03,760
do that? Is it the way we do priorities
and policies or one-on-one meetings,

1026
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:10,239
something like that?
>> Um, I think we're flexible about how you

1027
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:15,280
would like to share that information.
>> I think Nicholas, to your point, I think

1028
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:23,639
the specificity is I I'll speak for
myself. I will would like some support

1029
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:23,639
on the specificity side of it.

1030
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:29,040
» Any comments, Andrew?
I love this.

1031
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:32,159
» There you go. There you go.
>> Highly anticipated.

1032
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:35,760
» No action needed. Just advice.
>> Well, so if if you are on board with

1033
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:42,159
this approach, what I would recommend is
you um generally kind of motion to

1034
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:47,040
support this approach. I also um it is
our interest to have an initial meeting

1035
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:50,719
with the delegation um early in this
process so we can make sure we're giving

1036
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,920
them something that will be useful down
the road. And I think it would be worth

1037
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:59,520
having two counselors participate in
that delegation meeting. Um, councelor

1038
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:02,880
Sigman did email us today or sometime in
the last few days um, indicating that

1039
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:07,360
she would like to be one of those two
counselors, but it is up to you.

1040
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:10,639
However, I think if with your approval,
we will start trying to schedule that

1041
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,560
meeting
>> um,

1042
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,960
» after November 3rd.
>> No, no, no. This would be a meeting like

1043
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:20,800
in early in September, early October.
So, we can we can craft something that's

1044
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:22,560
that they're going to be
>> not not with the legislators though.

1045
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:26,960
Yeah,
>> that would be after.

1046
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:31,600
» Well, both. That would be Yeah.
>> I'd love to do it.

1047
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:34,719
» I'd like to do it, too, but you know.
>> So, how many people who you you who who

1048
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,719
else
>> you you did you expressed interest,

1049
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,080
right?
>> Well, I I think there's going to be a

1050
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:45,040
lot of interest because there's been
interest on the full council and I note

1051
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:47,679
that House Representative Maner is
online, too. So,

1052
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:52,800
» look at that.
>> Yeah. Thank you for listening, Brian. Um

1053
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:58,400
I I think if we're talking about a
preliminary meeting with House or with

1054
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:02,320
our representatives and are Oh, sorry.
Um I think if you're talking about a

1055
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:05,920
preliminary meeting with um
representatives and then bringing it

1056
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:12,080
back or having opportunities for full
counsel to provide guidance, that's that

1057
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:15,480
would be appropriate.
>> Sounds good.

1058
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:22,239
» So, let us do it and bring back what
we're hearing. Is that what you're

1059
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:27,120
» I think it's okay to have
representation. Um

1060
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:31,440
» yeah, it I just don't think it can
completely guide an agenda because there

1061
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:36,239
may be other things that Tim's
interested in that Lori's interested in

1062
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:38,400
myself that somehow need all of us need
to have that input.

1063
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:44,000
» Otherwise, we'll have to do another half
day of legislative priorities and and

1064
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,639
» we're going to be specific, strategic,
and brief.

1065
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:51,280
» Oh, there you go. Brief. Okay. Yeah.
More red dots.

1066
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:54,400
green dots. So, well, you need a motion
then.

1067
01:27:53,040 --> 01:28:00,480
» I would. Yes.
>> You want to create a motion?

1068
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:05,600
» Yeah. I will make a motion to approve
the legislative adequacity process as

1069
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:08,800
proposed.
>> Do you maybe want to ask if others have

1070
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:13,679
comments?
>> Anybody in the room have a comment? Oh,

1071
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:20,159
here comes somebody down. We have a
commenter.

1072
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:27,600
This is my my my co-sailor today.
>> Um I I would just remind you that there

1073
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:36,639
is an election on November 3rd and your
three senators all have um competition

1074
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:42,400
and um at least one of the five sitting
house members do. So to figure out how

1075
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:49,440
to have
meetings without perhaps

1076
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:54,880
um putting the impression forward that
the council

1077
01:28:51,920 --> 01:29:02,040
only supports certain people.
Caution. Caution.

1078
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:02,040
» That's why I kept saying November 3rd.

1079
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:10,320
So I think that you know that that is a
a

1080
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:14,320
um in our statewide legislative
process that that happens every two

1081
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:20,000
years at the beginning of a bianium. So
agreed and um we could also frame it

1082
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:23,679
from the context of this you know these
are elected officials who have history

1083
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:29,199
in our community whether they are future
Nicholas. Yeah, and I would just uh to

1084
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:34,000
that point, we we were cognizant of it.
The the September timeline task talks

1085
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:37,679
about meeting with the current
delegation. So, we we acknowledge that

1086
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:41,040
there's an election that that could
change that, but I think talking with

1087
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:44,320
the current delegation also is
informative because they have they have

1088
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:48,480
a history in the building and u and and
familiarity with the issues. Um but we

1089
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:52,639
we acknowledge that that the meeting
with the current delegation could become

1090
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:57,120
a different meeting after November 3rd.
Good.

1091
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,320
So, we had a motion, but do we have a
second?

1092
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:02,159
» Second.
>> Okay. So, any other discussion? All

1093
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:05,840
those in favor say I.
>> I.

1094
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:10,560
» I. It is unanimous. Thank you very much.
>> So, would you like to tell me who to

1095
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:13,920
include in that initial scheduling or
would you like me to try and find times

1096
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:18,960
that meet for as many people as possible
and by by that process identify the two

1097
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:23,600
that will come forward?
>> Yeah. Thank

1098
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:27,920
good.
Jesse to schedule

1099
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:35,199
» survey monkey.
>> All right. So that was uh item 15. Now

1100
01:30:31,679 --> 01:30:41,760
we are at item 18 correct which is
review the significant agenda topics for

1101
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:51,520
the council September 21st 2026 council
meeting.

1102
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:57,360
Um so scrolling down. Uh so 22nd meeting
will include the East Harris residents

1103
01:30:54,560 --> 01:31:02,320
um presenting their concerns to you. Um
you'll also receive the FY26 year end

1104
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:07,840
projections as we close out that fiscal
year and kick off the FY28 budget

1105
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:13,440
process. Um in that you will receive the
projections from us and establish goals

1106
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:18,639
for your FY28 budget. Um the FY27
policies and strategies report is since

1107
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:23,760
this was published moving to the uh next
meeting October 5th. So that will not be

1108
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:27,600
on your September 2nd 22nd meeting.
>> And let me just correct myself on item

1109
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,280
18 that council meeting would be
September 22nd.

1110
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,719
» Yes.
>> Okay. So just that we're all

1111
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:37,040
» Jesse for item one. I guess what I was
hoping um in addition because we have

1112
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:44,960
heard from them is that
um our staff would describe to the

1113
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:49,840
residents the the process and then help
the residents understand how the

1114
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:55,440
concerns that they're raising are
evaluated through that process

1115
01:31:52,800 --> 01:32:00,480
and then maybe you also address you know
if there are potential

1116
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:04,960
updates to the process you know I mean
the process may not be Maybe maybe

1117
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:10,000
right. Um and then I also would hope
that then we the council would explain

1118
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:16,400
to the residents kind of our role right
in really setting the the policy but not

1119
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:21,280
hands-on with with implementation for
every street in the city.

1120
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:25,440
» Yes, I think that was our intention to
provide kind of our you know staff have

1121
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:29,040
spent a fair amount of time on East
Terrace to date um both public safety

1122
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:33,360
and public works. Um, so talk about what
we've done to date and where we might go

1123
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:36,400
in the future.
>> Thanks.

1124
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:39,679
Anything else on that though?
>> Nope.

1125
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:45,120
» Okay, moving on to item 19, which is
other business. Is there any other

1126
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:50,080
business tonight? Um, I do have two
items that um I I don't know if they've

1127
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:55,520
actually come up in previous meetings,
but I would like council to consider

1128
01:32:52,159 --> 01:33:00,400
adding to future agendas and would uh
obviously like the full council

1129
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:06,880
available. Um but one I had sent a note
out um as I was not able to attend the

1130
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:10,639
last meeting about um kind of a
discussion of process improvement

1131
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:16,639
opportunities for kind of high value
high visibility projects like Bartlett

1132
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:24,320
Bay potentially the bike pred bed the
bike ped bridge and the tip district um

1133
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:31,199
and having a discussion about um really
looking at um

1134
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:34,800
an like an afteraction report. It it may
have elements to it that are different,

1135
01:33:32,639 --> 01:33:38,960
but some of it's afteraction, some of it
is understanding cost and scope

1136
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:45,920
reconciliation.
Um and some of it might segregate um

1137
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:51,600
unforeseeable from unanticipated
um expenses associated with projects.

1138
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:56,320
that it it and this is really separate
of the budget but kind of it might

1139
01:33:54,000 --> 01:34:01,199
impact policy discussion on capital
project funding, cost control and

1140
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:06,320
transparency. So that's a general topic.
I think there may be other counselors

1141
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:12,560
interested in discussing or having the
opportunity to discuss and those are

1142
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:18,080
three high visibility projects that um
might fit the bill for monitoring those

1143
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:22,239
in some way. Um, and then the other area
is really around I don't I wouldn't call

1144
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:27,040
it necessarily standardized
communication, but I I have run into

1145
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:33,600
situations over the past particularly
maybe over the past six months that um

1146
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:39,840
there does not seem to be a either a
standard or an expected way to respond

1147
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:46,080
to largely to residents that send notes
to the full council and how they get

1148
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:49,760
responded to. um even if it's simply a
we are in receipt of your message and

1149
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:55,120
have forwarded it to a st staff member
something but it might include um media

1150
01:34:53,280 --> 01:35:00,800
requests as well but just something
around communication expectations

1151
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:04,719
um because I do feel like there are gaps
that some people get responses and some

1152
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:12,239
don't and some might get them in a
timely manner and some might not and I

1153
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:16,800
don't think we even know necessarily
who's responded from council to

1154
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:21,440
individuals because it would violate
meeting law if we start to have a

1155
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:28,000
conversation online. Um, but those would
be two topics that might be helpful at

1156
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:30,239
some point to have on a future agenda.
>> Thanks, Elizabeth.

1157
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,679
Um,
>> do I do I need to I I don't know with a

1158
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:38,239
small group, do I need to make that
motion or c could we bring those forward

1159
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:41,920
and have a discussion where we are full
a full counsel?

1160
01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:45,040
» So, you got two suggestions. One is on
>> kind of communication expectations

1161
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:49,440
» monitoring for large highv value
projects or process.

1162
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:52,400
» It's afteraction and monitoring of high
value high visibility projects capital

1163
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:57,679
projects.
>> So like a city reporting you know agenda

1164
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:01,920
item on high value projects to
>> I think it's I'm really proposing

1165
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:08,400
» have that discussion to talk about what
what you want to have. Okay. Yeah. Um

1166
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:13,679
and then the other one was
expectations on on how the council

1167
01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:16,000
replies to full council email, you know,
get from residents or from whomever.

1168
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,320
Right.
>> Yes.

1169
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:22,000
» Yeah. That's sometimes that's hit or
miss, right? Some one of us reply, but

1170
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:25,199
we won't reply all and you don't know if
the other person's replied at all and

1171
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:30,800
sometimes Jesse just jumps right in and
then fixes the whole thing. Right.

1172
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:35,440
» True. That is true.
>> So, but yeah. So, yeah. The second one I

1173
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:38,480
I mean I guess I support both. It would
be I don't know how we should have a

1174
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:41,920
discussion about what do you want to
report on

1175
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:45,440
» and then how how do we you know
>> and that's where I think the we benefit

1176
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:50,239
from the full council
>> full council.

1177
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:55,520
» Anything Andrew
I don't have any other business. Um item

1178
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:59,440
20 is consider entering an executive
session pursuant to 1BSA 313 A3 for the

1179
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,000
purposes of discussing appointments of
the development review board. We only

1180
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:05,119
heard from one candidate. We haven't
heard from the other candidate. Should

1181
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,520
we wait to try and reschedule that
before we were to go into executive

1182
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,679
session?
>> Okay.

1183
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:15,840
» I I really want to hear from the other
candidate. Is that okay?

1184
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:19,679
» Well, unusual. They didn't show up.
Who knows? We should find out why. Maybe

1185
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:23,040
there's a reason why. Maybe they were
stuck on a boat in the middle of the

1186
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:27,280
lake and they their phone ran out.
>> Okay,

1187
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:32,719
that's all I know for now. So, but other
do um and we when are are applications

1188
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:37,280
closed at this point? Are they still
they're fully closed? Yeah.

1189
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:40,639
I I asked several people I know
especially through colleagues at work

1190
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:44,400
that live in South B. I just like
grabbed them. I said, "Please, please

1191
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:48,800
find me a DRBs person." And they're
like, "I don't want to do it." You know,

1192
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:53,040
like I described to them in length how
great it is. And they still said they

1193
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:57,679
didn't want to do it. I don't know why.
So,

1194
01:37:55,440 --> 01:38:01,040
» so do you want to do executive session
on the 22nd?

1195
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:04,400
» Yeah.
As long as we have at least another

1196
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:08,320
candidate or one way or the other. I
>> I think I'd say if the candidate has a

1197
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:11,840
really good excuse, but if the person
just didn't show up, right,

1198
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,920
» I don't think we should consider him or
her.

1199
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:15,920
» Yeah,
>> that's because I mean that would be

1200
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:19,119
Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1201
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:21,360
» Would you be able to find out? Okay.
>> Great.

1202
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:26,560
Yeah.
>> Okay.

1203
01:38:22,719 --> 01:38:28,560
Um item 21 which is adjourn.
>> Motion to adjurnn.

1204
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,920
» Second.
>> All those in favor say I.

1205
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:33,199
» I.
>> All right. We are journ. Thank you very

1206
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:41,239
much. Thanks everybody online for
attending. We'll see you on the 22nd,

1207
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:41,239
not the 21st. It's a day later. Thanks.

1208
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:01,199
Hey, hey, hey.