1 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:47,160 stands under God. 2 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:57,039 Please be seated. Claire will not be here today. I'll be chairing the 3 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:01,600 meeting. Roll call. And for the record are Mayor Prom Davis, 4 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:06,240 council members Cole, Greggo, and Swanson. Absent for the record is Mayor 5 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:11,040 Forier, and she is attending a regional plan 6 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:15,200 update all day today with TRPA, which is very important and critical to to this 7 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,400 city and courts of the basin. So, opening statement by the city clerk 8 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:21,280 regarding meeting procedures and conduct. Susie, 9 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:26,159 good morning and welcome to the regular city council meeting of Tuesday, March 10 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:30,159 20th. 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When you are called upon to speak, please come forward to the 27 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:40,160 podium, state your name clearly for the record, and we respectfully ask that you 28 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:45,519 keep your comments concise and once the timer ends to please be seated. The city 29 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:50,000 council asks that respect be shown to the council, city staff, and members of 30 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:54,720 the audience, and ask that you please refrain from clapping, booing, or shouts 31 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:59,040 of approval or disagreement during the meeting. 32 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:03,200 Thank you. Could you repeat that? All right. This is an opportunity for 33 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:06,480 public comments, as the city clerk said, uh, for items not listed on the agenda 34 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,920 and limit your comments to three minutes. We can do brief comments, but 35 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:14,239 we can't discuss it or or vote on it. Anyone in the public wants to talk about 36 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:19,519 anything on non-aggenda items, please come forward. 37 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,400 Okay, seeing none, city commission reports and council member assignments 38 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:27,599 to boards, committees and commission reports. Angela. 39 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:32,640 Um, we have an item on today's agenda that's reflective of the action taken 40 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:37,120 last week at the California Tahoe Conservancy board meeting at which they 41 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:41,840 authorized for their portion to go ahead with the proposed land swap of um 42 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:45,840 critical properties. Further um and now can find my longer comments inside the 43 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:50,400 land swap issue. Some comments and questions have come up related to the 44 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:56,000 fact that for the first time in if ever or in a long while CTC is looking at um 45 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,439 take getting some of the property off its roles and potentially selling some 46 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,799 properties and there's some concern out in the public about whether or not 47 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:07,120 that's really consistent with the role of CTC and I'll um go into that in more 48 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:10,560 detail during the discussion because it's relevant there but I did want to 49 00:04:08,799 --> 00:04:14,640 alert the public to the fact that um we are very cognizant of that issue. 50 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:19,280 Secondly, I was spent most of last week in Washington DC as part of the lobbying 51 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:23,280 group looking at transportation funding. It was good to be there. It was very 52 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:27,040 helpful for the city to be part of the coalition. Otherwise, we'd have been 53 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:32,160 represented primarily by private sector interests. So, it was good to be a 54 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:36,400 well-rounded group. We spoke with seven legislative delegates that represented 55 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:40,320 us and then um had communications into the federal highways and um 56 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:45,360 transportation um department did as much as we could do 57 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:49,280 to try to secure front-end loading on how to make a successful Tiger 4 58 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:54,880 application which is the funding for us for the loop road um a $60 million 59 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:59,600 project. We also secured um commitments for letters of support. It was also the 60 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:02,560 first time we had met in Washington with staff in longer than anyone could 61 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,479 remember. Tom, you may have been the last one that was there. What, 10 years 62 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:06,560 ago? Yeah. 63 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,800 Before there was highways. Yeah. 64 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:14,720 So, before there was. So, that was um an important piece that's continuing to go 65 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:18,479 on. And um you never know how you're going to last, but we learned a lot that 66 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:22,320 we wouldn't have known or been able to do to make this um application strong. 67 00:05:21,039 --> 00:05:26,000 While there are no earmarks, there are now such things as letter marks, which 68 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,320 means when you when they're overs subscribed in the first round, if you 69 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,440 don't have letters from your congressional delegation, um 70 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,440 particularly on the Senate side, you're tossed out. So, we learned that that was 71 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:40,320 an important piece of keeping us in the running, at least for consideration as 72 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:43,840 they're really drilling down. Bruce, 73 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,720 um while I'm attending the committees I've been assigned to, there's nothing 74 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,840 to report. How? 75 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:56,160 No report. And the only report I have is I uh had a JPA meeting last Monday of 76 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:59,680 Kaho Amblelet Service. Uh and I also attended a chamber of commerce meeting 77 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,680 last Thursday. So it's all I got to report. 78 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:10,639 Okay. This time we have a presentation a 15minute presentation uh proposal by the 79 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:15,199 bike park association to pursue planning and implementation of proposed bike park 80 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:19,919 in the Beija community park. No action will be taken. Stan, 81 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:23,759 mayor prom, members of the council, um Stansere, community services director. 82 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:28,560 For the record, what we have today is a presentation 83 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:33,840 um from two local bike associations for the creation of a bike park in Beiju 84 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:38,639 Park. Staff has been working with um both groups for quite a while on a 85 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:43,440 conceptual design for the improvements. We really feel like this is not only a a 86 00:06:41,039 --> 00:06:46,960 a sound investment uh in our community as far as a park amenity, but in 87 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:51,199 addition to that, it will create another special event venue for us. So, with 88 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,960 that, I'd like to introduce Garrett Villa Noeva, who's going to make a 89 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,280 presentation to you this morning. Thank you, Stan. Garrett, welcome. 90 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,199 Thank you. And happy first day of spring. 91 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:09,960 Yeah, thank you. It almost feels like it. Okay, let me pull this up here. 92 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,960 Let's see. 93 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:17,759 Okay, there we go. All right, thank you for uh taking the time to hear my 94 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:20,960 presentation. It's about 15 minutes and uh I'm going to run through it kind of 95 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:26,720 quick because uh we've got a lot of pictures to show you. Uh so what we've 96 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:36,000 been working on is a uh bike park proposal at Beiju Community Park on a 97 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:39,039 4acre parcel, 4 acre parcel. Um the uh so we're we're comprised of two 98 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:44,479 different groups. Uh the Tahoe Area Mountain Bike Association and the South 99 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Lake Tahoe BMX Association uh has members in both groups that are uh 100 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:53,520 interested in developing this bike path proposal. So we've teamed up and we're 101 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:58,720 working on forming the bike park association uh to to make this thing 102 00:07:56,479 --> 00:08:02,800 happen. Uh there's three members, three core members right now that are 103 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:08,319 representing this project. Myself, Lauren Thomaselli, and Ben Fish. 104 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,840 Um this slide is actually a little bit 105 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:17,759 outdated, but the the the reason we're here is to present this uh to the 106 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:22,000 council for your um understanding of of what we're what we're trying to achieve 107 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:25,599 uh which is a 4acre bike park at Beiju Park. Uh so real quickly we want to run 108 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:30,879 through some slides showing you what is a bike park. Um and and and the slides 109 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:35,440 kind of speak for themselves. Uh but I'll go into some details of of what 110 00:08:32,719 --> 00:08:39,440 this serves as. Um and one of the best examples we can see out there is the 111 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:43,519 Valmount bike park in Boulder, Colorado, which is a really well-developed bike 112 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:48,160 park. Um and it's got in particular, it's got excellent signing, which uh 113 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:52,480 you'll see throughout this presentation. Uh but you can see in this photo, this 114 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:57,760 is kind of the main reception area. of the bike park and uh it's you know 115 00:08:55,839 --> 00:09:02,000 there's there's like 30 30 some odd people all different shapes and sizes 116 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:06,640 even spectators um at the bike parks. It's heavily used. It's just recently 117 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:10,959 been opened. Um this this slide is showing a dual slalom course. So bike 118 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:16,399 park is a place where you can have both formal competitive events and and 119 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:21,360 friendly competition as well. Um here's a slide just a location map of uh Beiju 120 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:26,000 Park and you can't really see it very well but on the lower uh right side of 121 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:32,480 the screen there that's the location of the uh Lake Tahoe greenway bike path uh 122 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:36,640 which has uh recently been approved and uh is planned to be constructed by the 123 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:41,040 California Tahoe Conservancy. Uh so this would be located directly adjacent to 124 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:47,200 the uh greenway. It's close to the college. It's centrally located. Um, 125 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:52,320 we've got a schematic of uh what the bike park could look like. Um, and 126 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:58,399 there's several different elements. Uh, the first phase we're proposing is the 127 00:09:54,959 --> 00:10:02,240 uh pump track and the kids zone. And I'll go into detail what what those 128 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:07,839 would look like. Um, so here's a picture of a pump track. Uh, this is kind of a 129 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:12,800 nice size pump track. Uh, pretty easy to construct. Uh, very highly used. They're 130 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:19,200 excellent for uh providing uh skill building, safe place for uh kids and 131 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:22,320 adults to uh uh get better at at uh bike handling skills and in particular a bump 132 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,839 track. The reason it's called a pump track is because when you get good at a 133 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:30,560 pump track, you don't actually pedal on a pump track. You you push and pull your 134 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:35,920 bike uh to get through the bumps and and not pedal, although most of us pedal. Um 135 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:38,480 here's some more examples of pump tracks. One of them, the one on the 136 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,560 right, is uh actually under construction. You can see some hand 137 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:47,440 tools in the background. Uh so it's mostly handshaped uh kind of piled with 138 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:50,959 uh equipment and then hand shaped. So they're very easy to construct and the 139 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:55,760 little guy on the red helmet just can't wait for it to be done. 140 00:10:53,120 --> 00:11:02,560 Um more pictures of pump tracks. This one's at Valmont again. Um again, you'll 141 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:05,839 notice the signing is really topnotch. And this is uh this is one of my 142 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:09,519 favorite slides. you're seeing uh three generations represented in this slide. 143 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:13,920 Uh so it's a it's definitely a familyfriendly 144 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:19,200 uh type of facility. Again, in Belmont, this is the their tot 145 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:23,040 track. This would be a component of a kid zone. Um and in this picture, you're 146 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:27,360 not really seeing the tot track so much. You're seeing some bike racks. There's a 147 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:30,720 rock that uh is placed so that people can actually ride over it. And so these 148 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:34,720 are elements that are incorporated into the entire bike park uh to make it fun 149 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:39,360 and interesting and a place where people want to congregate. And in the case of 150 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:44,240 South Lake Tahoe, you know, we have as as you all likely know a really 151 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:48,560 fantastic uh trails here in Tahoe. And a big draw for uh our visitors is coming 152 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:53,360 up here to be able to bike. What we don't have is a hub. we don't have that 153 00:11:50,800 --> 00:12:01,279 central location where people gather, meet um and and then uh conduct their 154 00:11:56,959 --> 00:12:05,200 biking activities from there. Um u this slide's interesting too, I think, 155 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:10,880 because this is a a baseball field uh and they simply lay out these features 156 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:15,920 and and it's a bike park. Uh so in this case, it's kind of adapting an existing 157 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:20,560 space to use it as a bike park as well. And you can't really see it very well in 158 00:12:17,839 --> 00:12:24,079 this in this uh on the screen, but in the background there's there's about 159 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:29,120 three times as many spectators as there are bike bikers in this picture, which I 160 00:12:25,839 --> 00:12:33,279 think is kind of interesting. And that's a good shot, too. The guy's a 161 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,480 little bit proud of his strider. That's a that bike on the left is a strider. It 162 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,880 doesn't have pedals. That's kind of a modern way kids are learning how to ride 163 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:45,839 their bikes uh without training wheels and more more kids and stuff. Uh so the 164 00:12:44,079 --> 00:12:49,920 second park so phase one we would construct first. That's that's why it's 165 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:54,560 phase one. We you know ideally we would be able to start on it this summer. Um 166 00:12:52,399 --> 00:13:00,079 however we'll we'll uh get through the approval process first. Phase two would 167 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:04,639 come second. Phase two includes uh the BMX track and the skill zone. Um you 168 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:12,160 know we currently have a BMX track as you know which is uh very successful um 169 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:16,320 located uh uh over um at Alaho School. uh well actually the back of the middle 170 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:21,519 school between Alaha school and uh this is a a picture of some sponsored 171 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:27,760 professional riders lot of spectators at BMX races uh BMX races are or BMXing in 172 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:33,120 general is is growing it's booming right now we're seeing a lot of more 173 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:37,279 participation uh in recent years uh uh so it's a growing sport at this time and 174 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:41,040 so we see these kids coming in and for probably the next to five five to 10 175 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:46,000 years I think we're going to see uh kind of a plug of BMX riders coming through. 176 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:50,800 Uh so it's it's it's uh got a lot of popularity right now. This is a a 177 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:55,600 picture of our BMX track right here at South Lake Tahoe. Bunch of riders. Um 178 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:59,680 another picture of the Spectra area. And we do have riders that uh go and compete 179 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:07,199 at national race events and that are nationally ranked from our track. 180 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:11,120 Um our BMX track is uh uh you know, it's interesting. It's not it's not a big 181 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:14,959 track. However, uh I've traveled around to the Southwest a little bit to 182 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:20,480 different BMX tracks and nothing quite matches the uh camaraderie and the uh 183 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:27,600 the the family feeling we have at our BMX track. It's it's really a 184 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:32,399 spectacular uh uh facility. Um the new BMX track before I go on to phase three 185 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:36,560 would be bigger, a little bit bigger um and it would have the capacity to draw 186 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:42,720 larger events like national races. So the uh the venue uh is a little bit 187 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:46,639 bigger uh a little more developed. Um the last element would be a slope style 188 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,760 type course and in an advanced skill zone. And I apologize for kind of 189 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:55,360 blasting through these slides. I've got a lot of pictures and and not too much 190 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:59,519 time so I'm going kind of fast. Um so uh just an example of some advanced type 191 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:03,120 skills. Um, I like this photo because if you look through the front wheel, you 192 00:15:01,199 --> 00:15:06,399 can see her friend is is giving her a spot so that you know if she falls, 193 00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:09,120 she's not going to hurt herself. And these are the kinds of things that the 194 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,240 signs instruct people to do. If you're uncomfortable with with trying this for 195 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:15,199 the first time, have some of your friends spot you. So, if you fall, 196 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:20,720 you're not going to dislocate your shoulder. Um, in this slide, we're 197 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:25,040 seeing uh what's called progression, uh, which is a really important aspect of 198 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:29,680 risk management for for any facility. But uh for the bike park, uh you can go 199 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,079 off the small jumps or as you get more comfortable, you can start to ramp up 200 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,320 and try the harder jumps. So it gives folks a choice and allows them to 201 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:42,399 develop their skills. Uh this is kind of an overview picture of a slope style 202 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:47,079 course at uh Valmont Park and more examples of slope style 203 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:47,079 courses. 204 00:15:47,199 --> 00:15:56,000 And one last example. Oh, two more examples. U this is a a log 205 00:15:52,639 --> 00:16:00,560 ride. Uh just another the types and and features that we could put into uh the 206 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:06,720 skills parks are really up to uh our imaginations. Um although they will all 207 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:10,720 be designed uh in detail. And this is one of my I I really like 208 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:16,800 this one. This one's uh just really aesthetic and looks super fun. And 209 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:20,639 that's at Valmont Park as well. Here's a example of some signs. Um a lot 210 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:24,880 of these are from Valmont Park. This sign is a donor sign. Just in a just for 211 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:28,639 fun, I added up uh kind of what was represented in the sign in dollars and 212 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:34,320 it's about $450,000. Um which is not so different what we 213 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:39,920 anticipated a park would cost in total uh for for here at South Lake Tahoe. Um 214 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:43,759 again, more signs. This is a extremely important aspect of risk management is 215 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:47,279 to have good signing. uh set expectations, let people know how 216 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:52,000 challenging different features are uh and guide them to the right areas and 217 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:57,680 establish several rules so people uh know how to use the area. Again, really 218 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:01,519 spectacular signs. Uh and we do I I would hope to emulate what they've done 219 00:16:59,199 --> 00:17:05,919 at Belmont as far as in particular with their signing because it is so good. Um 220 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:11,439 trail conditions, they have skills loop signs. 221 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:16,000 um spectators. So we think that uh the bike park would have tremendous capacity 222 00:17:13,679 --> 00:17:20,880 to draw spectator events and organized events uh and the site would be used as 223 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:26,079 so. Um just to give you an example of uh you 224 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:32,720 know some of the events that uh I've been to um the Sea Classic down in 225 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:37,919 Monterey uh is an immense uh bike event. It's over the course of a week. Uh and 226 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:43,520 they they draw thousands upon thousands of folks to that event. Uh and the the 227 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:46,960 uh bike sponsors that come are pulling trailers filled with literally millions 228 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:52,320 of dollars of equipment and bikes and cars and all kinds of stuff. It's it's 229 00:17:49,840 --> 00:18:00,240 uh I think the potential uh for a revenue generating venue uh is very good 230 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:04,400 uh with the bike park. Um some of the costs, some of the needs uh 231 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:09,440 would be uh five hours a week for u maintenance activities uh from the city 232 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:13,520 staff. Um as well as the existing utilities is uh connections to the 233 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:18,480 existing utilities for watering and for electrical would be needed. Uh and the 234 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:22,919 total cost of construction is estimated uh very roughly at this point at 235 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:22,919 $436,000. 236 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:32,400 Uh we do anticipate that we'll need to get a squa uh permit for this. A categor 237 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:38,320 categorical uh uh exemption would be needed. Um 238 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:42,880 and uh we would need a TRPA permit which you know we we already working on the 239 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:46,799 TRPA permit. Uh we've got our site plan coverage calcs and we've been talking to 240 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:51,919 them about that. We think a permit for phase one is possible by June uh from 241 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:55,679 TRPA. uh benefits. We've got a bunch of 242 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:59,120 benefits here. Uh we do think again, you know, kind of 243 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:03,600 restating what I had already said, but there is tremendous potential for 244 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:08,320 economic benefits uh not only to directly to like bike shops, but also to 245 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:11,679 for extending stays from our visitors in our community. This would just be 246 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:16,320 another reason especially if we build uh the quality of bike park that that we 247 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:21,600 envision. uh we feel people would choose to come here uh even to use our bike 248 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:25,440 park uh and even stay extend their stays on either end of a vacation because our 249 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:30,640 bike park would be of that caliber and quality. 250 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:35,840 Uh this again would be a facility that is uh rentable. Uh the city could rent 251 00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:41,600 it out for different venues. Uh you know music, bikes, beer that kind of seems to 252 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:45,480 be pretty popular theme among the bikers. Um 253 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:52,559 Uh it provides a safe place and this is in in my mind this is one of the most 254 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:57,280 important elements of the potential bike park is just providing a safe place for 255 00:19:54,799 --> 00:20:03,120 people to learn uh for kids to play uh and be outdoors with their on their 256 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:07,919 bikes. Uh it would promote use of uh mode share bicycle uses a mode share. Um 257 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:13,440 and I I think this statistic is kind of astounding. in Whistler. Uh $34 million 258 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:19,440 is generated by biking over a three and a half month period uh in 2006. So 259 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:24,720 that's that's very good. Uh it would be very low 260 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:29,120 maintenance uh very easy to maintain and there's a lot of buyin uh we we know 261 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:33,679 there's a lot of buyin from uh the folks in our groups that Tampa and South Lake 262 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:40,080 Tahoe BMX as well as other community members. Um I I I've had uh different 263 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:44,799 community members approach me from time to time uh asking me how would we go 264 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:48,880 about building a bike park and uh so here we are. We're we're trying to uh 265 00:20:46,799 --> 00:20:53,760 push it forward. So that's been happening uh in various backyards and 266 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,400 barbecues for about three years. Uh these types of discussions 267 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:03,039 uh this would this does serve as attraction for folks of all ages. you 268 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:07,280 know, we're seeing little kids that are just learning how to ride their bikes 269 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:11,520 all the way up to uh folks that uh you know, are are collecting their uh senior 270 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:15,760 citizen benefits out there at the bike parks. 271 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:21,600 Uh and we feel that the the bike park is very compatible with the other uh Beiju 272 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:26,240 uh uh facilities that are in place. The the bike park would not displace the 273 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:32,400 Frisbee golf course uh whatsoever. Uh, and it would be located um behind the uh 274 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:37,760 the playground. Um, the one thing that it would potentially um interrupt is the 275 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:43,440 parkhorse that's out there. Um, however, in talking to city staff that the 276 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:47,960 parkour is old. Um, and uh that wasn't viewed as a as a loss necessarily. 277 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:55,440 Um, and the location is is central. It's going to be right next to the Lake Tahoe 278 00:21:53,679 --> 00:22:02,120 uh greenway, which will be that's going to be the backbone of our uh uh 279 00:21:57,919 --> 00:22:02,120 developed trail system in the future. 280 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:09,120 Um in the US, I'll just read this one. In the US, mountain biking generates 26 281 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:12,880 billion in annual economic activity. Uh and then, uh how much are how much are 282 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:18,559 we getting? Um next steps, uh we are planning to 283 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:23,039 submit a TRPA application. Uh we are developing designed uh uh uh detailed 284 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:29,440 design documents which we're already working on with uh uh contracting uh 285 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:34,640 that out. Um we're soliciting additional community support. And uh lastly, we 286 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:41,080 hope to build or professionally build the phase one of the bike park as as 287 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:41,080 soon as we have the proper approvals. 288 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:50,159 That's it. Thank you. I I've watched biking in in this town. 289 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:52,960 My son now 24 and he's been biking his whole life. I mean, and I go up there 290 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,799 and there's I I don't think it's going to go away soon. I think the only 291 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:02,080 economic benefit my son gave to it is to the orthopedists in town, but I I do I 292 00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:05,919 do think that there's a lot of people coming here. I would you kind of answer 293 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:09,039 my question. So, you're pretty far along in the process. I didn't realize you're 294 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,320 that far along. So, you've identified a site. You you worked with the parks and 295 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:16,640 recck commission and you worked with our planning department. So, they're all on 296 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:19,039 board with with using that site. Yes. 297 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:23,679 And and your next steps, do how are you funding now? The application process 298 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:26,480 isn't cheap either. So, are you raising money as you're going? 299 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:30,480 We have a grant from Specialized, a $5,000 grant from Specialized Bicycle 300 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:36,240 Company right now. We just applied for another grant from uh Bikes Beyond and 301 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:42,720 uh we're we're continuing to see grants for uh uh funding and in addition we've 302 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:46,559 got you over 100 letters of support for donating materials uh and and different 303 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:49,200 things that we would need for the bike park. 304 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:53,039 And then are you an LLC or something? You're doing this work on city property, 305 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,919 but it's going to be city-owned and you're going to have a contract to run 306 00:23:54,320 --> 00:24:00,080 it or I guess you're still working out. City owned and city operated is is how 307 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:05,760 uh what we what we understand at this point. Uh and we have uh two nonprofit 308 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:09,200 organizations that would form uh one of those nonprofits would convert to become 309 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,679 the bike park association. So, you'll have an agreement with the 310 00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:14,640 city. You're raising money and and improving the infrastructure of the 311 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:18,159 city. So, I'm sure you got to get some kind of an agreement ahead of time. 312 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:22,960 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we we're we're uh our next step is to seek city 313 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:26,000 approval uh in order to move forward from this point before we 314 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,559 you must have some city approval in order to have site plans done and go to 315 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,840 the TRPA because we we have been working with uh city 316 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:35,360 staff. Okay. I'm curious about how how we're 317 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:40,400 going along without uh so the way that uh we've planned to do 318 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:43,279 it is um the city will give a license agreement temporary license. 319 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,880 Sir, could you state your name? I'm sorry. Thank you. near Philly, 320 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:53,760 deputy city attorney. I've worked with Garrett and um some other members of the 321 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:59,279 nonprofit um as well as our um uh parks and wreck employees. Um the way we would 322 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:05,360 do it is we would grant the um nonprofit a temporary license agreement for 323 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,720 construction purposes. Um and after the license agreement expires and the 324 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:14,320 construction has been completed, the bike park would be a city um as Garrett 325 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:20,880 said, run and operated um bike park. And that would allow us um to utilize the 326 00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:24,799 government available for damages that arise on the property, including 327 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:30,080 personal injury damages. Um the nonprofit would partner with the city to 328 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:37,039 continue hosting events um and potentially um um races and other 329 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:39,760 temporary events, but the um upkeep and maintenance would be the responsibility 330 00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:43,200 of the city, which was the five hours a week um and utility obligations that you 331 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,200 saw on there. Similar to what we did with our skate 332 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:50,559 park. Yeah, exactly. 333 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:55,919 Okay. Well, sounds great to me, Bruce. 334 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:59,919 Angela just I think you've pretty well covered it but want to understand one is 335 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,200 G well is this an open area or is it locked off and enclosed? I'm thinking 336 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:06,320 about the current BMX facility over by the school district which for vandalism 337 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:10,080 my understanding is I'm looking at Lauren Thomaselli in the crowd that it's 338 00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:14,080 been locked off at times is isn't it shut so that there's um protecting 339 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:18,080 assets. So I'm wondering how with this being moved into Beiju Park and its use 340 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:21,840 expanded is this going to be an open area and are there worries about 341 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:26,400 vandalism? And then my other question had to do with scheduling between uses 342 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,559 of the nonprofit and then the general public. And either one of you can maybe 343 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,880 help me with those couple of questions. Go ahead. 344 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:37,360 Lauren Thomaselli, founder and president, South BMX Association. 345 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:42,960 She knows a little bit about BMX. Uh yeah, all great questions. Um the 346 00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:48,880 sanctioning body ensures tracks in a variety of um you know conditions. 347 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:53,200 fencing uh fencing a BMX track the way the current track is fenced is an 348 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:58,080 optional is an option to the sanctioning agreement. Many tracks are left are are 349 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:04,559 built in public parks such as Beiju Park that allow usage you know during uh 350 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:10,720 regular park hours. Um certainly fencing the the BMX track uh does allow the 351 00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:16,400 operators to control the maintenance and keep up on maintenance and also um 352 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:22,799 really monitor the usage. Um but it's not necessary. Um so what what is 353 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:27,520 required in terms of fencing for to be sanctioned and insured by this the uh 354 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:32,480 national sanctioning body is a 4-foot spectator fence that protects the 355 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:37,840 spectators from the riders when they're you know on the track and to protect you 356 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:42,320 know from dogs or you know other uh you know things rolling onto the track that 357 00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:48,240 could interfere with the writing. Um but again the location of the site that 358 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:53,679 we've identified is in a highly visible area. It's a highly used area. It will 359 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:58,559 inspire um pretty much um you know a self-monitoring of you know the 360 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,559 activities there and it'll inspire the stewardship from the you know the many a 361 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:05,919 variety of writers that'll be using the park. And what was the second question? 362 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,679 Second question had to do with scheduling hours and use 363 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:14,159 of it being you know having those activities in a public park. How do you 364 00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:17,039 see will that just be managed through the parks and recck staff is just like 365 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:21,760 any other event? Yeah. Yes, it would. You know, we would 366 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:24,720 we would do um scheduling just like we do on all our facilities and school 367 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,960 district facilities. Okay. You always want to look for that 368 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:32,399 balance where you're encouraging all these kind of entre events and 369 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:37,120 entrepreneurial uses but also making sure we've got a good balance for access 370 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:41,679 for our um community members at large to be using this as an asset. Two more 371 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,919 questions just related to it because this is a great idea. I'm so supportive 372 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:50,480 of it. Um it's the right kind of idea but I do want to make sure how is asking 373 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:55,840 some questions around city approvals. Mine is in the vetting of because Beij 374 00:28:54,159 --> 00:29:01,039 Park is very dear to many people and fought very hard to get it in getting 375 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,240 this use coming in. Have we gone back to those appropriate user groups who are 376 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:09,360 part of developing the community plan and then looking at the park to make 377 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:13,880 sure that they are aware that this is a new phase in the life of Beijia Park. 378 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,960 We will at this point we're just trying to determine feasibility and whether or 379 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:25,520 not there's the willingness to continue with the planning and implementation. So 380 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,840 this is this is the first step in the process. 381 00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:30,799 So we'll do that. H I know you've got a lot of history working with this and 382 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,720 that would be it sounds like you're doing everything appropriately right 383 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:38,799 now. I would just encourage making sure we keep that open dialogue going so that 384 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,960 people understand the elements including even the park course which isn't the 385 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:46,640 most used activity in the park but to feel like something's not being 386 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:51,360 discarded without a good public input process. So those cover most of my 387 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,880 questions for it. It looks great and seeing what's being based with Velmont. 388 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Oh, I had one last question. Coming from the school district, this looks like the 389 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:03,440 way it's designed, it doesn't encourage any of our skateboarders to use any of 390 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:07,760 the ramps, jumps, anything. Is that correct that this design really will um 391 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:13,200 not encourage them to take that on too as part of their facilities? 392 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:19,279 Well, I personally think that more importantly it does provide a venue for 393 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:24,240 bicyclists in Beiju Park and will take the bikers that are in the skate park 394 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:28,320 and possibly causing you know a hazard there and giving them a facility that 395 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,240 they can use that's appropriate to their sport. So I you know I think it's going 396 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,840 to create a much you know it's going to bring break those barriers and create a 397 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:40,159 safer environment for both uh user groups. And then I would just like to 398 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:45,440 say and I know that you know Angela from uh the the school district that the site 399 00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:49,440 that we are on um at uh at Lake TA Lake Taw Unified School District property 400 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,840 were the only sanctioned uh BMX track on public school property in the country. 401 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,919 So they did something really unprecedented 10 years ago by approving 402 00:30:53,679 --> 00:31:00,880 that. But that site is identified as part of a master plan for their track 403 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:04,399 and field amenities. And one day um our that license agreement will end when 404 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,480 they're ready to move forward. So, you know, it we've always known that that 405 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:14,240 that site that uh that we've been so successful at with BMX track has been 406 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:20,399 somewhat temporary. Um and uh and and it just fits right in with uh uh with the 407 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:27,120 other bike or organizations ideas of creating a more diverse um uh bike park 408 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:32,960 for a much wider range of uh bike users that live here and visit here. So, does 409 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:37,200 this development allow the the BMX facilities currently on the LTUSD 410 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:41,519 property to be moved into Beiju as well? That is that already I was I'm not 411 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:45,519 clear. Then in the is it phase three when that facility that's currently on 412 00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:47,519 school district property will go into Beiju Park. Is that the plan? 413 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,559 Phase two. That is phase phase two. And yes, that's 414 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,679 a plan. and then and then that site would be restored to its original 415 00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:58,880 condition and where you know whatever the school district uh want whenever 416 00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:01,919 they wanted to move forward with their plans they could do. So 417 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:06,080 I can attest you've been a good partner for the school district all these years. 418 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:09,679 Thanks Angela. Mechanically will there be someone 419 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:13,840 present all the time during all these activities because we're having a small 420 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:17,200 children there and we can try to assume the parents will be there but that 421 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:21,360 doesn't necessarily mean they will be. H how how that will that work? 422 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:26,240 Nope. there will not be um the city will not be supervising the facility and 423 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:31,679 that's um important uh to the management of it in order to make sure we can 424 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:36,640 utilize our governmental immunities. Um at the events the events will be staffed 425 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,679 at all times but during open hours it it will not be supervised. 426 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,840 Will there be requirement that children under a certain age have parents? 427 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:52,000 Yes. And there will be um all sorts of rules and warnings um that will um 428 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:56,960 provide uh the city the um the uh necessary protections as far as personal 429 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,640 injury uh liabilities. The liability side 430 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,960 concerned. Yes. Yeah. But I'm not worried about the 431 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,640 liability side. I'm worried about injury to the children. 432 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:08,000 I'm sorry. How do you how do you how do you how do 433 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:11,039 you I am too. I know how do you uh how do we how do we monitor this so that 434 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,159 there isn't well kids doing stupid things 435 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,720 perhaps you you two can speak to that but I think this is 436 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:21,360 I think it would be it'd be real similar to how this big skate park works right 437 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:26,080 now or or the playground for that matter uh you know I don't feel that the bike 438 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,760 park in itself is inherently more dangerous than than those other 439 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:34,240 activities and I think when we look at what's happening in other places uh what 440 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,000 you're suggesting is exactly what they're doing They're they're saying, 441 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:41,519 "Look, if you're under this age, you know, you're not going to you you have 442 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:45,200 to have your parents to be here." Uh, as well as the other there's going to be 443 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:49,120 other requirements as well as wear a helmet, you know, those types of things. 444 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:52,960 But if there's no one there, who's going to insist on the helmet? Who's going to 445 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:57,360 insist that the parents be present? Because it is, you know, I don't say 446 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:01,840 it's not more dangerous, but because you're dealing with, you know, bicycles 447 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:05,200 and they are more mechanical that, you know, might be a greater chance of 448 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,880 injury. I'm just wondering whether someone should be watching the 449 00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:10,800 situation. Dan, you had a comment. 450 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:16,560 Yeah, I did. Um Garrett was correct in his uh comparison to the to the skate 451 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:20,480 park. Um it it's the same philosophy and the key to liability and safety is the 452 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:25,919 signage that he touched on early in his presentation. If we clearly articulate 453 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:31,919 the risk, which um when Garrett was showing this, you saw different varying 454 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:35,599 degrees of difficulty. Um then that's how we're going to protect the kids. 455 00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:40,639 just through education and the signage. But um like Nera mentioned, there aren't 456 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:46,000 many like facilities in the country that actually staff these these type of 457 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:50,480 facilities. And a playground inherently has the same degree of risk as as a 458 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:54,800 skate park or a bike park. And driving with Bruce, you have an 459 00:34:52,159 --> 00:35:00,560 inherent risk, too. Trust me. Uh you answered my question on 460 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:04,560 liability. Uh the other one is is the timing again. You looking for June of 461 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:09,040 this year? Yeah. 462 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:13,920 If if we can uh get our approvals completed, yeah, we we are prepared to 463 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,520 construct phase one this summer and have it open by this summer. Then 464 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,800 that's the that's the goal. I think between this and the Go Ape 465 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,880 Adventure Park, we're going to have some great activities for locals and visitors 466 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,400 here if we get the Go Ape project going too out here at the airport. 467 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:34,720 Lauren, you had another comment? Uh yeah, I just want to address uh uh Mr. 468 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:38,880 Grego's uh concerns and that is uh with uh the current BMX track we operate we 469 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:42,800 that we're there and staffed and open and supervised that facility two days a 470 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:47,280 week throughout the summer two to three days a week and everyone who walks in 471 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,400 that gate is required to have safety gear on that's mandated by the 472 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:58,400 sanctioning body that provides the insurance 247 365 days a year for that 473 00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:04,960 site. um that alone educates uh riders and it you know it it develops um you 474 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:09,359 know a respect for safety and wearing the gear um from a very young age. So 475 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:14,480 the fact that we would be there holding these regularly scheduled um events and 476 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:18,720 practices where the the facility will be staffed and supervised more than you 477 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:25,599 know at least two days a week if not more will um help with educating uh the 478 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:29,520 public on proper use of safety gear. Yeah. I think Lauren your second BMX 479 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,560 bike is where the ice skating rink is now, right? I remember when you started 480 00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:33,839 that one and then we kicked you out of there. 481 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,440 Yeah. So you've been moved around a lot. 482 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,200 Uh yeah. Yeah. Well, we've been moved around twice. We've rebuilt the track 483 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:45,359 three times. And yes, because the city took a took took a chance and and 484 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:49,040 believed that we had a program that would be beneficial to the community, we 485 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:54,320 had the opportunity to demonstrate uh the sport back in 2000. Uh thanks to the 486 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:58,400 the sitting uh city council at that time who uh allowed us to do that and 487 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,280 definitely proved to the community that it was worthwhile and they supported it 488 00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:06,079 and we've been successful for the last 10 years um where we are now. 489 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:10,800 Thank you. Just one last comment for Bruce. Um, as a mother whose son blew 490 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:15,920 out the front of his mouth on house property where the kids have that 491 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:20,240 illegal jump that they do, um, I would much rather have had him on where you're 492 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,920 10 years old and you tell your parents you're going to be in one place and 493 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:27,920 you're somewhere else. To have, um, been on a course like this instead of what 494 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:32,240 the kids were building that was illegal and poorly put together and they go 495 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,359 flying around. You can't prevent accidents. You have to trust parents are 496 00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:39,680 going to be responsible for their kids. But there is that age and it's that 497 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,960 squirrely 10 to 13year-old boys uh bunch I'm really specifically looking at 498 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,400 you've got to if they have a safe place I'd rather have that and get so Hal 499 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,560 doesn't have the nuisance on his property anymore. 500 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:53,680 You spell it C O L E. All right. Thank you very much. Great 501 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:58,079 presentation. Look forward to the be another great addition to our recreation 502 00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:01,520 facilities in town. So all right. Next one is adoption of the 503 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,960 regular and consent agenda. Is there any changes, additions, or deletions? City 504 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,320 attorney, we need to pull number five. We received 505 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:13,599 a bid protest. Okay. And city clerk, 506 00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:15,280 no changes other than number five being pulled. 507 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,640 Hey, city manager, no changes. 508 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:22,640 I just had one request by Claire. She wanted us to pull because she wants to 509 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:28,160 participate in the close session on the city manager's annual annual performance 510 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,760 evaluation item C under close session. So, we'll pull that for future 511 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,920 discussion. She wants to be here for that. All right. So, item five is 512 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,680 pulled. Any uh city council members want to pull anything? Angela? 513 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,040 Yeah. Bruce. 514 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,880 No. Hal. 515 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,320 So, we're going to continue the performance evaluation. 516 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,240 That's correct. Yeah. And I have nothing to pull. The chair will entertain a 517 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,640 motion. I move uh to adopt a regular consent 518 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:55,040 agenda with the changes discussed. Second. Move to second. All those in 519 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:59,920 favor signify by saying I. All those opposed. Extension so carried. 520 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:04,800 Okay, the first one we pulled. How do I reset this or do you do that, Susie? 521 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:09,760 Okay. Uh, item five was pulled and this is a formal bid uh from recycle Tahoe 522 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:14,240 custom combination rubbage recycling containers and the recommendation is 523 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:19,680 award bid to Carson Valley Welding in the amount of 158,10319. 524 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:23,040 Is there a staff presentation? I was going to make some quick comments 525 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:27,200 and then Gary O'Neal is going to make the staff presentation and I was just 526 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:33,280 going to discuss it here just briefly here. Um, the city did solicit the bids 527 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:38,960 for 200 uh rubbish recycling containers on January 19th with the bid closing on 528 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:42,400 February 14th. Nine bids were received with staff recommending that Carson 529 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:47,760 Valley Welding be awarded the contract as the lowest responsible bidder. Two 530 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:51,920 other biders, Tahoe Bear Box, the sixth lowest bidder, and Taho Bear Saver, the 531 00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:55,760 seventh lowest bidder, have protested the award of the contract to Carson 532 00:39:53,599 --> 00:40:00,480 Valley Welding based primarily on their belief that the proposed design is not 533 00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:04,480 vandalproof or animal resistant as required by the bid specifications. 534 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:10,640 They've also raised trademark issues which they will address. It is their 535 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:16,640 belief that only the bear saver CE232 meet the specifications for the bid. Um, 536 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:21,680 just as a background, this bid is not a public works project. It is bid through 537 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:25,680 the government code 54201, which requires cities to adopt policies and 538 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:30,800 procedures, including bidding specifications governing the purchases 539 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:35,119 and supplies of equipment by cities. So, this is an equipment purchase versus a 540 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:39,839 public works contract, which is generally a construction project where 541 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:45,200 we're actually constructing or building something or landscaping or maintaining 542 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:48,400 something. Um, and so that's how different. So, instead of being under 543 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:52,000 public contracts code like we were in those cases, we're under the government 544 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:57,520 code, which gives us broad discretions pursuant to the policies that we adopt. 545 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:02,800 The city has adopted administrative regulations. Most recently, they were 546 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:06,960 revised in March of 2009. Section 6-17, which is included in your 547 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:12,079 packet of the administrative regulations, allows anyone no later than 548 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,880 72 hours prior to the bid opening to protest the issues concerning the 549 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:22,240 specifications or the bid procedure. In this case, we received no bid protest 550 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:26,960 prior to the bid opening. After the bid opening, anyone may protest some aspect 551 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:31,200 of the procurement that only becomes evident after the bid opening. The 552 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:35,760 protest must be filed within five working days after the city notifies all 553 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:40,880 biders of their contract award decisions. Following an adverse decision 554 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:45,520 by the purchasing manager, the protesters protester may contact the 555 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:49,280 city clerk within five working days to have their protest heard by the city 556 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:54,720 council. And that is why we are here today. The city's council's decision is 557 00:41:52,160 --> 00:42:01,359 finding and final and binding on all the parties. In this case, I've also given 558 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:05,680 you sections 6-17 through 6-13 through 17 that address the awarding of 559 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,800 a contract for supplies and equipment. And Gary O'Neal will give you a staff 560 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,760 report on the bids and some of the background information on the 561 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:16,240 specifications. And I see here in the staff report, 562 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:18,640 we're talking 225, not 200. Is that correct? 563 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,520 I I think it was revised. G Gary will address it. 564 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:30,720 And just for public's information, the the low bid was per unit was 68921 565 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:32,880 and the high bid was 1,448156 and a whole bunch of inbetweens. 566 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,880 Right. So Gary, 567 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:40,720 yes, Gary O'Neal, buyer for the city. I can uh assist with the information and 568 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,079 how the bid process was carried out. I might have to refer to Stan Sheer on 569 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:48,880 some of the information about the grants and the actual program itself. This is 570 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:53,280 actually the second bid. Uh the first bid that we went out um early in 571 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:56,400 January. Uh there were some schematic drawings that were furnished by the 572 00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:02,640 parks and recck department were included in that um in the first original bid and 573 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:08,079 at that time Bear Saver did comment that those were proprietary u trademark 574 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:15,680 designs. And after that I learned that information we can bid. We rebid by 575 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:19,440 pulling the schematic drawings. Um, one of the local iron shop vendors was a 576 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:24,079 little bit disappointed in that. He wanted to have schematic drawings to 577 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:27,680 work from and did not submit a bid. So, we left a little bit open-ended in that 578 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:32,720 aspect. We also added section 4 at Patrick's uh uh suggestion which holds 579 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:36,000 the city harmless. It indemnifies the city against trademark and copyright 580 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:43,760 infringements. We received nine uh proposals or nine 581 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:47,119 bids from nine various uh companies and I checked out Carson Valley Welding. 582 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:52,160 They seem to be the lowest responsive and responsible bidder. The references 583 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:57,200 were good. Got very good um uh references. Uh the wildlife people that 584 00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:01,200 were used as a reference said that their bear boxes work to prevent wildlife from 585 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:05,359 coming in. And I also visited the site of Carson 586 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:09,839 Valley Welding in Carson City on Saturday, a couple Saturdays ago. Was 587 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,640 impressed with their operation. Uh this is not something they're putting 588 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:19,520 together in their garage. This is what they do, welding and power coating. And 589 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:23,200 um at that time we went ahead and uh put together the staff report so that we 590 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:28,319 could be here today. On Friday we received a bid protest from Bear Saver 591 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:32,079 and Taho Bear Box. And unless you have any specific questions of me, Patrick, 592 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,520 I'm not sure of the procedure at this time. Randy is here from Bear Saver and 593 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:40,480 he I believe he would like to speak to the council on some issues. Uh we also 594 00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:43,599 have Don here and his attorney that can uh from Carson Valley Welding that can 595 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,760 address some of the concerns that they have. I I don't want to spend a whole 596 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:51,520 lot of time for the council. I know that you're busy, but I do want to answer the 597 00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:54,000 questions. Um let me know what you need to know. 598 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:58,720 Okay. Hal has a question and then uh just before I hear from the the 599 00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:04,000 successful bidder and and the protesters, I just want to get a couple 600 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:08,800 things clear regarding the trademark. Um Patrick, are you 601 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:14,800 confident that we by not giving any schematics or design criteria that we 602 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:19,520 now are free from any trademark uh claims against the solicitation of this 603 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:23,280 product? I am confident that we are free from it and we're also going to get 604 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,400 indemnification from Carson Valley. So then the trademark issue should we 605 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,800 award it to one or the other and if somebody felt that they were they were 606 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,920 infringed upon they would go it wouldn't be between them and the city between 607 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:39,119 them and and the other vendor. Um it seemed like one of the protests 608 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:44,079 was whether or not the low bidder was truly bearproof. What criteria did we 609 00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:48,160 have in our bid specs regarding how what we how we define bear proof? 610 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:53,280 It was relatively open-ended. Um, we left it up to the actual submitter to 611 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:57,760 show how their uh product is bearproof. Then who on the city said, "Okay, this 612 00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:01,440 meets our criteria being proof." That's a good question. Uh, Greg Ross is 613 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,240 the actual project manager for the parks and recck department. 614 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:08,800 Okay. So, it it sounds to me like that's going to be one of the issues. Okay. And 615 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,800 that may be somewhat subjective. So, uh, I guess 616 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:15,520 Well, it is it is subjective to make it 100% animal proof. uh you can't you 617 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,599 can't put anything inside in it and have the bears try to get in 618 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,920 it or anything. Right. Right. 619 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,960 But then um Don might be able Don from Carson Valley 620 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,520 Welding might be able to address that issue. 621 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:32,000 And how did you handle the revised specifications that were issued after 622 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:36,880 the closing of the bids? Did you did you That's actually part of the staff 623 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:40,640 report. We've gone from 200 to 225 as a quantity. uh Greg Russ changed the the 624 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,480 grade of steel and and the grade of steel has been changed 625 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:48,800 also. Uh that actually came about from bearsaver who recommended galvanne 626 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:54,079 steel. I'm learning a little bit more about metal now. Um they recommended 627 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:59,119 that as a better product. Uh we did not specify that specifically in the bids. 628 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:05,680 We left it kind of open-ended again 12 to 14 gauge uh cor non-corrosive steel. 629 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:09,520 So, I'm a little gunshy when we we changed specs after the closing of the 630 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:12,880 bids. Okay. And so, I'm just curious how it was handled this time. So, we got all 631 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,000 our bids, then all the vendors were saying, 632 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:19,359 "We want an a revised bid or an upgrade or an add-on uh given this. How did we 633 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,200 handle that?" No, Bear Saver recommended a an improved 634 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,359 rate of recommended. One of the vendors recommended this. 635 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,480 Um, it did not change the ranking of the bids, 636 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:34,000 but Okay. One one vendor recommended it and then did you contact all the other 637 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,880 vendors say this is what we want? No, I contacted the one the lowest 638 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,599 vendor just the lowest vendor 639 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,319 to discuss it with to discuss the uh materials. I'm kind of leaving it up to 640 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,760 them as far as metal. You didn't offer it to all the 641 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:49,599 vendors as an upgrade to see if it changed their prices. You just went to 642 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,079 the lowest vendor and asked him. Correct. Okay. 643 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,960 Because it it did not change the bid rankings. We're we're also we've got a 644 00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:00,560 timeline on the grant. The grant ends at the end of May. So 645 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,800 timeline scared me. We were under timeline last time. I I want to do this 646 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:08,000 right and not timeline. So you you don't you're assuming that it wouldn't 647 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,560 affected the other biders by giving them the upgrade. You just gave it to the 648 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,599 lower vendor and say how much would it cost extra to bring this upgrade, but 649 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,880 you didn't give it to all the vendors to look at again. 650 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,920 That's correct. Okay. Thank you. 651 00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:21,520 Let's clarify. So when was the change made in the galvanized steel? It was 652 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:25,520 before or after the It was after It was after the closing. 653 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,119 Yes. after the bid closing. After the bid closing. 654 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:32,760 Okay. The additional cost did not affect who 655 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,760 was the lowest bidder. 656 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,880 So, 657 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,920 I just want to ask following up on Hal's comment on attachment one, the technical 658 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,800 specifications with this was the basis for the 659 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,960 evaluation of what made something beareproof 660 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:55,920 that all of them were asked to conform to. Is that my understanding? 661 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,040 Are you referring to attachment one in the technical 662 00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:02,000 specifications? So on page four of the council item 663 00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:05,599 that says container shall limit the potential for nonrecyclables to end up 664 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,640 in the recycled waist stream and must meet the following specifications and it 665 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,400 goes A through U. That is correct. 666 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:17,599 That was all the the level of detail you went to for 667 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:24,240 that is correct. any of them to do this and the and then M was the one that was 668 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:28,480 the galvanization or the the steel requirement. 669 00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:31,200 M M was the U specification for the material to be used. 670 00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:36,240 All right. And then just a point of process. I I understand how changes can 671 00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:40,480 happen when you have a project. I'm concerned about what to follow up again 672 00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:46,000 on what Al was bringing up that it's done 673 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,359 either not it's either not a bid agenda or not after the contract's been awarded 674 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:54,240 at some point once the contract's awarded if there's a change you you can 675 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:58,960 make an a contract amendment that seems a cleaner more logical way to approach 676 00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:03,280 it then to make this interim change just if just as a process issue so I would 677 00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:07,440 throw that out just to ask maybe that as a question or are we doing best 678 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:10,800 practices is in looking at this um because it does trouble me at the timing 679 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:17,920 of when this happens. I understand you're saying that by amending their 680 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:22,000 bid, the low bidder did not lose their place, but 681 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:24,880 it's an irregularity in the bidding process that I'm I'm a little 682 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:29,440 uncomfortable with. Okay, Bruce, you have a question. 683 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:33,520 The comment I had is is there any manufacturer that you can buy this off 684 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:38,000 the shelf? Do we have to have these custom made? Not that I'm aware of. Now, 685 00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:41,280 in all this recycling world and everything that's going on in the green 686 00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:45,280 world, there's nobody makes them off the shelf. 687 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:50,559 Uh Stan, I for you, there are manufacturers that do so. 688 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:55,920 Have we looked at those? We have. Um a lot of the reason that um 689 00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:59,359 the specs were written the way they were is because we have actually had some 690 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,480 experience with some of these vendors historically and we haven't had uh a 691 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:07,839 problem with the product. Okay. And then the question I have again back for the 692 00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:12,160 city attorney. Are you comfortable and I I am not comfortable when we change 693 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:16,480 specs after the fact. Are you comfortable with this bid process and 694 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:20,640 with a change after the the bid was issued from a legal perspective and 695 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,880 defensive? I am comfortable because it doesn't 696 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:28,880 change the bid order in this case. Um normally what we do is we'd award the 697 00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:32,960 bid and then we'd make a change order. Um, but I am comfortable knowing in 698 00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:36,160 advance that it will need to be galvanized 699 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:41,599 and and so and not letting the other biders know just the the one bidder. 700 00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:43,599 Um, it's because it does not change the bid order in this case 701 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:47,079 that change the cost, right? 702 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,079 Okay. 703 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,960 Thank you, Gary. Okay. Um, and Patrick, what order do you 704 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,960 want to hear from the bid protester or the 705 00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:58,720 Well, it's up to the council, but I I would start with Carson Valley and then 706 00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:01,280 Yeah. Uh, Angel had another quick question. 707 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:08,480 I have one more question just in the last piece. I don't think I'm seeing in 708 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:13,280 here what the what is the changed bid from Carson Valley. Is it that they went 709 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:16,240 from 639? Yeah. If you're saying it didn't change 710 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,480 it, there's I'm not seeing the paper trail that goes from their original bid 711 00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:24,000 to their amended bid with the changed specification. And I'd like to make sure 712 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,559 we're looking at that so that we can see that evidence. Is that in here? on page 713 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:32,960 two of the staff report under the notes. Um I wanted to clarify because there is 714 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:37,839 the the grid with the biders and what they proposed those that's the original 715 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,880 proposals from the nine biders. Mhm. 716 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:46,000 And if on page one you're actually uh recommending $158,000 717 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:51,119 which is the change on the quantity and also is about an additional $3,000 more 718 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,599 for the galvan material which is a little bit easier to work with lasts 719 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,559 longer but it's a little bit more expensive. All right. Did you have them 720 00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:03,040 fill out just again trying to look at tease out process issues here? Okay. 721 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:07,200 Where we have in our attachment to which was the Carson Valley bid document. Did 722 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:12,960 they prepare an an additional bid document showing what the cost increase 723 00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:16,440 was or how did they respond back to you? Uh let's see. 724 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:25,359 Attachment four includes a letter from PDM Steel Service which is the supplier 725 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,359 for the Galvan material. 726 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:33,880 But as to whether there's an actual a changed response page, no, there's not. 727 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:40,000 That's why I is that in the resp 728 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:44,000 I included attachment five, which is the a draft copy of the actual. 729 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,440 Okay. No, I'm sorry. I I just didn't follow it 730 00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:49,200 to track how this worked. Okay. Thank you. 731 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,480 No, they're they're good questions. I'm as as the buyer, I'm learning as I'm 732 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,079 going along. Excuse us if we're a little gunshy, but we just goes by the book. 733 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,400 So, thank you. That's why I was trying to spell out as 734 00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:02,079 much as I could in the staff report. The uh the bidder that won the award is 735 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,720 Carson Valley Welding. Yes. And we'll let them go first with their 736 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,880 comments. Thank you. 737 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,000 Morning. I'm Robert Huckabe. I'm an attorney for Carson Valley Welding. Don 738 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:20,480 Heldornne, the owner of Carson Valley Welding. 739 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:26,400 Top of the morning. Morning. Um, 740 00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:32,400 Mr. Heldron has had a uh a business which has been manufacturing 741 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:38,800 bear boxes that are widely used in the Tahoe area. So, he has a lot of 742 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:43,760 experience in uh building trash enclosures that are truly bearer 743 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:48,960 resistant. Um, 744 00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:55,760 one of the the things that kind that the uh protester kind of addressed were some 745 00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:04,079 things related to some of the functionality of the unit. The 746 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:08,960 and what we've done is actually met each one of the technical specifications 747 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:12,960 precisely. Um 748 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:16,559 and by one of the key things we'd also point out is there was a criteria for 749 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:25,680 vandalroof and our prototype uses a key similar to 750 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:34,079 what they use on the bear boxes that for private uses where the trash people have 751 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:42,000 a key to insert. This makes it uh that a casual passer by cannot open it up and 752 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:46,800 disrupt the contents uh dump the trash or steal the containers or do those 753 00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:53,280 kinds of things. So that's a point that we've addressed 754 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:59,040 as relates to the trademark issue. Um I is there included a a copy of the 755 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:05,280 trademark diagram in the package? Yes. 756 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:11,359 if I might present to the council. Um, here's a couple of pictures which the 757 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:19,839 brown box is our prototype. The other two boxes are their uh product. 758 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:26,000 Their trademark is specifically limited and I quote from their trademark. The 759 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:33,280 mark consists of a configuration of the side portion of a metal container. 760 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:40,240 We've outlined that in the copy of theirs to indicate that you folks can 761 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:45,760 take a look at it from the real world person and say, "Is there 762 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:52,480 an infringement?" We believe it's clear there's not. And as council for Mr. 763 00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:57,359 Helder's business, I'm prepared to defend that. As part of the contract 764 00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:05,200 award, we've agreed to indemnify the city from any uh trademark claims, and 765 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:08,520 we're willing to take that risk and make that agreement. 766 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,680 other comments. 767 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,240 I've got one other question. One other thing that addresses ADA. So, 768 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:37,440 the height. Okay. Yes. Uh the height of it, the ADA 769 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:43,280 requirement is 48 in. Our box is at 47 1/2 in which is within the ADA 770 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:48,240 requirement and obviously this is a prototype. Um you can see on the picture 771 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:53,280 of it it has adjustable feet which was part of the city's uh technical 772 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:57,240 specification so that it can be leveled and there can be height adjustments. 773 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:05,280 Okay. Other questions? The questions go 774 00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:13,359 I thought you were done. uh addressing uh another part of their 775 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:18,799 objection uh by Bears Saver. Um they're talking about 776 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:22,400 um a design that uses a vertical shoe with sloping on the top to interface 777 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:26,880 with the tail would most likely be similar enough to our protected design 778 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:32,240 to warrant legal action. We believe that's smoke and mirrors. Obviously, 779 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:37,839 you've seen their trademark. You've seen pictures of the product and I believe 780 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:44,799 that it's visible to anyone that etc. Their trademark is 781 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:48,400 based on trade dress. Trade dress means that they've used it in five years. 782 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:53,599 They've sold a lot of the of their containers in the national parks and 783 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:58,960 other places. And so it's based on saying that if somebody walked by that 784 00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:03,839 side profile would be identified with their product. We believe there's 785 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:10,599 absolutely no infringement on that. Mr. Heldornne hadn't even seen their product 786 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,599 when he designed his box. 787 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:20,160 Uh Don Heldor, Carson Valley Welding. Uh when we designed our box, we designed it 788 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:25,839 based on the criteria of the city of South Lake Tahoe and to address the the 789 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:33,359 bear proof uh bear resistant uh question. Uh we've 790 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:37,520 been building boxes for nine years to the city of and uh county, Elorado 791 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:44,960 County and other counties surrounding the area and um we have 0% 792 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:52,319 bare entries in our residential enclosures. And to make a box bear proof 793 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:58,000 under the guidelines of the city, the city asked for a round hole to place 794 00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:02,799 recycles in. If you have a round hole in a box, anybody can stick their arm in 795 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:07,200 there. And if there's arms long enough, they can reach the top of the box. And 796 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:15,440 if the trash can is full, they'll they will be able to pull out an empty 797 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:19,920 Coke bottle. As far as the shoot side, our design, 798 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:23,359 which is different than the design of Bears Saver, because after I 799 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:28,240 manufactured it, I went and took pictures of their box and looked at 800 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:32,640 their design. Their design is a chute that has no sides. Their sides are 801 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:37,760 manufactured into their box. Our sidewalls of our chute are incorporated 802 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:43,119 into the chute itself. So when you open it, you have side you have metal sides 803 01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:49,200 on it to enu encapsulate the materials that you're placing. Uh it's a little 804 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:53,359 smaller in design, so it'll deter people from bringing 20 gallon trash uh sacks 805 01:00:51,760 --> 01:01:00,240 out of their home and placing them in the city's containers. Um you cannot put 806 01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:06,720 your arm in it. uh a bear would not be able to open the enclosure and insert 807 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:13,040 his arm and be able to reach any refuge at all. And we have uh pictures of that. 808 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:20,160 And I also would like to submit some pictures of some testing that we have 809 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:26,319 done at the uh uh Yellowstone Wolf and Discovery Center under the direction of 810 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:32,760 Patty Soka who is uh living with wildlife foundation director. And may I 811 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,760 present these to you please? 812 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:44,720 Uh those pictures of uh that I've passed out are of our residential unit. We 813 01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:49,839 don't have any testing for uh this prototype unit. We just haven't had 814 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:57,119 time. But uh the years 34 years of fabrication experience that I have is uh 815 01:01:54,319 --> 01:02:01,520 more than enough to know that that unit is going to be bear resistant on the 816 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:06,240 doors. Uh once again, the hole in the top is something the city specified they 817 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:12,480 would like to have. So we built it under their guidelines and uh we did our best 818 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:18,880 to build it as high as we could to allow um ease of use to meet ADA guidelines 819 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:26,160 and to keep people from reaching in and and uh taking taking out the products. 820 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,960 Okay. Any questions for Carson Valley Welding? I 821 01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:32,319 have a question for the attorney. Uh I know a little bit about copyrighting 822 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:37,680 music and other kinds of art, but how do you assure a design is proprietary? Is 823 01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:43,760 it a patent? Is it a trademark? Is it a copyright? How do how do you protect the 824 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:50,640 design of of a product like this? Well, the product could have been 825 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:58,000 protected by a copyright. It could have been attempted to protect by a patent if 826 01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:03,920 there was a unique enough design. As a matter of fact, I'm I believe that Bears 827 01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:11,119 Saver has patented their latch, which they use on other boxes, but that latch 828 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:17,920 is actually not in compliance with the city's specifications for this box. 829 01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:21,680 Has Don done any protection of his the one marketing? So, 830 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,160 anybody could copy Don's design for the other bear box? 831 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:28,559 It's it's in the it's in the public domain. And you're not u you're not 832 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:32,000 proposing that you do any kind of protection of your of your work here as 833 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:36,400 far as not at this time? 834 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:40,079 No, we it's an issue that you know what what 835 01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:46,079 Okay. What what Don is presenting here is uh a product that is responsive to 836 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:53,440 the city's technical specifications. He's presenting his experience in 837 01:03:50,720 --> 01:04:01,119 building products like this, having done that in this area. Uh, by the way, Don 838 01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:09,520 lives here in town and so, uh, he's he's seen that in its actual use. the product 839 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:13,920 uh technical protections. Um 840 01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:18,319 at this point in time, it would not be eligible 841 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:24,559 for a trademark protection because he hasn't it's a brand new product. Um 842 01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:33,039 Bears Saver was able to obtain their trademark based on an alleged five years 843 01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:42,960 of public use. So it got a respect as trade dress in that they convinced the 844 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:52,079 uh patent office that their profile from the side as they've diagrammed would be 845 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:57,680 identified with their uh company and we don't dispute their trademark um because 846 01:04:55,359 --> 01:05:01,200 we came up with our own design. Thank you. Any other questions of 847 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:04,559 council? I have a question. I want to make sure 848 01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:09,760 we're not barking up the wrong tree on this one. Um, 849 01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:14,240 does the city have as I read this, this is primarily just not to get but to try 850 01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:19,280 to make sure we're on the gerine arguments here. This is for a recycling 851 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:23,839 program. It's funded through a recycle grant for recycle Tahoe and it's 852 01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:27,440 supposed to be as part of it animal resistant. 853 01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:31,520 Do we have any standards for bear resistance elsewhere in the city that we 854 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:36,160 apply in any other way or any requirements that that are I'm just 855 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:42,160 trying to clarify as we're looking at bear savers protest issues 856 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:47,839 is the focus on whether it's trademark or not but being around bears and being 857 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:51,599 bearroof really the gerine argument and do we have any other standards in the 858 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:57,599 city or any receptacles that are held up to being bearroof in the city. 859 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:01,280 Not that I'm aware of, although I do know that the uh assistant parks and 860 01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:05,520 recreation director before formulating the technical specifications met with 861 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:10,880 some of the local agencies concerning wildlife and actually drew up a list of 862 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:14,799 potential uh biders that were that had boxes that are out for the public to 863 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:19,520 purchase that have been used in the past and that have been successful u being 864 01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:24,720 wildlife resistant. M Rover or Mr. Marino, give us any further 865 01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:28,319 clarification on that. Stan, 866 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:33,760 the element of recycling here makes a difference in in the design as far as 867 01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:37,760 bear resistance or proof. Um, obviously we had to make allowances for the 868 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:42,160 recycling effort because as you mentioned it is funded through a 869 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:46,559 recycling grant. So it's kind of you know there's the primary purpose of 870 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:52,160 these receptacles is to encourage people to recycle and then to make them as 871 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:57,039 resistant as possible to animal invasion. 872 01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:00,720 Okay, any other questions? And Hillary Rover, director of 873 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:05,119 development services. Um, I would need to go back and check the city code to 874 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:10,640 see if there are any specifics related to um, bear proofness when it comes to 875 01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:14,799 our requirements for dumpster enclosures, but um, as I recall, there 876 01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:18,880 is not. We just use the term, but don't define it. 877 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:23,200 And this just goes to trying to clarify is what's been awarded within the realm 878 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:27,440 of what's reasonable in terms of any other city standards or requirements and 879 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:30,480 the program need for it and in understanding what the challenge is and 880 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,720 what are the relevant issues in the challenge. 881 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:38,160 Okay. Any other questions for Carson Valley Welding from council? All right. 882 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:42,920 Thank you. Uh the one protester is the bear savers. Please come forward. 883 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,440 Welcome. Good morning, Mr. Mayor. Morning 884 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:53,359 council. My name is Randy Stanway and I'm with Bearsaver Tahoe Bearbox. 885 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:58,760 We've prepared some um material data handouts for you guys. If I can hand 886 01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:58,760 those out to you guys. 887 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,799 Everybody has a copy. 888 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:20,159 The only comment I have when we get a presentation like this and something 889 01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:22,799 handed to us at the last minute, it's hard for us to there's a lot of stuff in 890 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,080 here to read this. I think this is just the uh the um 891 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,400 Okay. The first summarize it. 892 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:32,159 Yeah. Anyway, the summarization is um we do have duplicates. So, if any 893 01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:34,400 members of the audience want to to see a copy of this because we have 894 01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:37,920 is that the same one here? It's the same one we have 895 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:42,560 to you this morning. without the binder, but you've got the 896 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:47,520 full packet. So, when this bid first came out, um you 897 01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:52,719 know, basically our background is we're the North America's premier um 898 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:58,080 manufacturer of bearproof and public high abuse trash units. Um combined 899 01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:02,719 engineering experience, we have about 55 years between myself and the other 900 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:09,920 manufacturing engineer at our factory. So we spend a lot of money, time, effort 901 01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:14,719 um engineering with material analysis and also putting patents on all our 902 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:22,319 products. Um all of our products in the field are tested with bears and um you 903 01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:28,239 know with public too. So and our CE232 that we proposed meets all the uh meets 904 01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:34,640 and exceeds most of the city guidelines. Um the uh and it's an off-the-shelf 905 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:39,040 product, too. I mean, we have these things in service in Tahoe. We have 906 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:45,040 probably about 600 in service all around Tahoe. Um our customers are like Calr, 907 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:51,359 every ski resort, um all the cities in the North Lake, Incline Village, Evid, 908 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:56,480 the list just goes on. And um and then uh so we think that 909 01:09:54,320 --> 01:10:01,360 their material that when they bid the G30 galvanization which which 910 01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:08,480 technically you can see in their package package gives your box about a fiveyear 911 01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:13,840 lifetime. Number one and then when you powder coat on top of that you can't get 912 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:18,640 a good um chemical resistant powder coating to stick to that product. That's 913 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:24,880 why you have to use galvanil. and galvanil is about a G90 weight. 914 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:31,600 With with a good powder coating should give your box about a 22 to 28-year 915 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:37,040 lifetime in conditions like Tahoe. Our FEA analysis put our boxes at about 916 01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:41,840 18 to 22 years in the marine environment like beaches and and peers where a lot 917 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:46,000 of them are as well. Um, you know, I mean, even though Carson 918 01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:50,080 Valley Welding's box looks good and it appears to meet most of the 919 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:57,120 specifications, it's about 100 pounds underweight per unit. 920 01:10:53,760 --> 01:11:01,760 And um, and it's just it doesn't have stainless steel hinges. Um, it's got 921 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:05,679 some it's got some issues where pretty much I believe from my experience that 922 01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:10,560 you're going to be replacing these boxes within 5 years or taking them out and 923 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:14,239 having them fixed. And you know, I mean, our boxes are just 924 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:19,360 pretty much the standard all over the United States. I mean, you know, 925 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:25,120 everywhere has these boxes. Um, you know, 926 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:28,719 and, uh, that's pretty much it. Um, they're a little bit more money, but we 927 01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:35,040 make them as cheaply as we as we possibly can to have them hold up 928 01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:40,320 against the public. Um, we've had you like we have units in Yusede Valley that 929 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:44,560 get used probably 500,000 times a year. We have hundreds of these same units in 930 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:48,400 in Yusede Valley. And that is and that's kind of our test grounds, not for the 931 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:55,120 bears. Like we already know it's bearroof. It's for the for the public. 932 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:58,880 High abuse destroys units. And you know, he has a great residential product, you 933 01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:03,040 know, but those only get used a couple times a week. your street side cans are 934 01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:07,040 going to be getting used hundreds of times possibly per day, you know, 935 01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:12,480 depending on the location. It's going to have to hold up to all the chemicals on 936 01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:16,239 the Highway 50 and all kinds of hard stuff. 937 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:20,800 And we just don't believe that for $158,000 938 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:25,760 um for an extra $60,000 you're going to get something that's going to last you 939 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:30,880 25, 30 years. In the bid, we, you know, it was kind of unclear whether the city 940 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:37,199 wanted the cheapest box on their streets or the best value to the city. So, you 941 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:40,640 know, we just pulled our regular C232 CHRR, 942 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:45,760 you know, with the shoot that we've always had and just submitted that 943 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:49,600 because that's what they actually put up there in the beginning on the first bid. 944 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:54,080 They had a picture of our unit on the first bid and then um and then our you 945 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:59,920 know our attorneys told us to call you and you know and see what the dealio was 946 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:05,520 with it because it was a trademark configuration problem. If Carson Valley 947 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:09,840 um continues with with his product, even though he has a couple changes in the 948 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:13,920 profile of his design, our attorneys believe that it's going to cause 949 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:18,719 confusion in the marketplace and it will be a viable case against Bear Saver and 950 01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:23,120 Carson Valley Welding and they're prepared to take action immediately. 951 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:26,000 So, I mean, you know, I'm just here to kind of, you know, show the the the 952 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:30,640 council that if you guys are going to spend this kind of money from this 953 01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:35,679 grant, you know, do you want something that's going to last a long time that's 954 01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:38,800 proven or do you not really care and you guys can bring them in, you know, and 955 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,280 fix them up every now and then and have them repowder coated? Because that's 956 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:46,080 what's going to happen if you don't get a bear saber box. 957 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:52,000 Okay, questions, pal. So, um, two issues here that kind of 958 01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:56,480 concern me. one is, and I'll ask staff. So, when we originally solicited for 959 01:13:54,000 --> 01:14:01,760 bids, we used their product as a a picture of what we wanted. We used a a 960 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:05,600 picture of their trademark product. At the time, I wasn't aware it came from. 961 01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:10,880 It was um submitted by the original project manager, but when I was informed 962 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:14,080 by Bearsaver that it was their product that we were advertising in the 963 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:18,640 schematic drawings, I immediately rejected or cancelled that bid and we 964 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,199 redid it so that we did not use their schematic drawings. 965 01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:25,600 But did anything else change other than not the picture? 966 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:27,679 The the picture was um taken off of the bid, 967 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:30,800 but did any other specs change? We did add the section about 968 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:33,440 indemnification that it was to be an original design, 969 01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:36,080 but okay. Okay. So, but nothing else changed in the bid except you removed 970 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:39,760 the picture. Correct. Those two items were changed. 971 01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:43,520 And it's your contention that given these specs, you should be granted sole 972 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:48,640 source standard. Um, usually most of most of our our 973 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:52,880 deals are sole source. Um, because we are the government standard for 974 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:57,120 products. Um, they spec us in on everything for every forest service job, 975 01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:01,280 whether it's a food storage container, recyclable, trash container, they spec 976 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,760 us in. Sometime it has to go to bid. So that's part of your protest is you think 977 01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:06,880 you should have been a soul source given the specs. 978 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,440 Um if if they want to use those specs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 979 01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:13,760 Patrick had a comment. Yeah. I mean unless they're trying to do 980 01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:18,320 a contest for, you know, the boxes, but I mean ours have been in in service now 981 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:23,199 for over 12 years. We've had zero warranty issues on that product. Um we 982 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:27,360 have them as far um east as Nova Scotia, as far north as Alaska, and as far south 983 01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:30,239 as San Antonio, Texas. Questioning that the validity product. 984 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,239 I'm just trying to find the process. We did. 985 01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:35,840 Yeah. Yeah. So, Patrick, you had a comment? 986 01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:39,760 Well, I I just wanted to comment besides um the specifications were not changed, 987 01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:43,280 but we took out the diagram and the pictures in there. So, the 988 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,400 specifications are there, and it's up to the biders as to how they meet those 989 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:50,719 specifications. Previously, we had a design, my 990 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:55,360 understanding, is a picture of what we were looking for. Guess what I'm trying 991 01:15:51,840 --> 01:16:00,480 to get at is when when the initial uh solicitation was done, all the vendors 992 01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:04,400 were given a picture of this product and specifications. 993 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,800 Okay. So, we we rescended that picture after we found that it was somebody 994 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:10,640 else's design. That's correct. 995 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:13,920 Angela, you have some comments. Um, one, just to follow up on House, when you 996 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:17,520 rescended the bid, did you let people know that it was a trade that there was 997 01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:20,960 a concern about trademark infringement or something to keep a playing field 998 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:24,320 even around the second? Yes. Application. 999 01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:27,520 I included as an attachment the letter from Bears Saver uh stating that it 1000 01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:32,320 wasn't trademark. So, they were clear their designs needed 1001 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:36,080 not to be. And then, um, I just want to clarify a couple of things, Randy. Um, 1002 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:40,000 as you talk about your product. One sounds like even though you're specked 1003 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:43,120 in, you have done public bid. Yes. Yes. 1004 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:47,360 You're aware that and you were aware of our rules that it was a low bid best 1005 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:51,600 value environment. Well, we didn't know. It did not say low 1006 01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:54,719 bid. It said best value to the city. So, best value to the city is us meaning, 1007 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,520 you know, you guys are going to pay a certain amount for a box. We're going to 1008 01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:01,120 give you a box that's going to last a long, long time. It didn't say lowest 1009 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:04,800 bidder wins it. Did you know how much money was 1010 01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:10,239 available in this program? $394,000 was a grant. Um, now if it would have said 1011 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:15,920 low dollar bidder, we would have just re-engineered a light box, a light gauge 1012 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:20,800 box made out of G30 or G60 like Carson Valley Welding and we would have beat 1013 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:23,199 him in price. But our box has to have a certain standard. We have to have 1014 01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:25,440 stainless steel hinges. And I understand that's what you're 1015 01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:31,600 saying. But if you've done low bid work, public work 1016 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:35,600 by definition is low bid. Yeah. It didn't say low bid. Um, in in 1017 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:39,440 the bid documents, it said best value to the city. It did not say low bidder. It 1018 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:43,120 did not say low bidder wins a bid. And but your bid came in at almost 1019 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:46,960 double the low bid and you chose to go at a high at a high 1020 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:51,120 standard. We we go to the standard that we always 1021 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:55,199 go to for public high abuse boxes. There's only one standard. There's only 1022 01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:58,800 one way to make these boxes that they last. And we've been 1023 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:05,120 I appreciate that. I'm just we're again our task here is the process and did our 1024 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:09,199 staff violate this process and how they did this so that this isn't not an 1025 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:13,280 appropriate award to be making. I I believe they did because they didn't 1026 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:16,159 say low bidder. They just said um best value to the city and you know 1027 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:20,640 maybe we could have the city attorney respond to that comment. 1028 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:28,080 Sure, Patrick. I value to me could be also low bid too. 1029 01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:31,679 And I I I have not reviewed the bid document. So is that what we said? 1030 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:35,920 Best value or low bid? Yes. 1031 01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:40,480 And our administrative code provides either uh lowest responsible bidder/best 1032 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:44,560 value. So we're looking for both when we're looking at the um awarding of the 1033 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,800 contract. Didn't say that. That's what he's 1034 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,239 saying. It apparently didn't say that in the 1035 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:55,960 actual bid documents. You have a copy of documents? Yes. Any 1036 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,600 other questions? You know, and also I want to add, you 1037 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:07,520 know, Carson Valley Welding submitted a um a bare testing um result from his 1038 01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:12,239 residential units and it wasn't even pertaining to the product that he has 1039 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:16,719 right now. Um which is kind of misleading to the council, 1040 01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:20,239 you know. Okay. Any other questions for Randy? All 1041 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:25,760 right. Thank you. Thank you. And then we had one more 1042 01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:29,760 protest, did we? Besides uh Gary, did we have one more protest? 1043 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:33,040 No, I believe uh Bears Saver is the manufacturer. Randy can clarify this. 1044 01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:36,800 Bears Saver is the manufacturer where Tahoe Bearbox is the actual distributor. 1045 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,719 So they're so 1046 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,920 two two companies but kind of the same entity. 1047 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:47,120 Okay. How do they submit bids separately? 1048 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:52,320 We do that all the time with with them. We double bid um a lot on on public 1049 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:58,480 works jobs because a lot of the uh the forest service jobs require two bids but 1050 01:19:55,440 --> 01:20:02,560 they want the same product. So depending on you know Bear Saver does 1051 01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:04,640 the the forest service stuff. I'm confused. You're the same company 1052 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,880 and you submit to No. I'm Tahoe Bearbox. 1053 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,320 Yeah. And Bears Saver is a different company. 1054 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:15,280 They're at they're the actual factory that actually manufactures them. I'm I'm 1055 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:18,640 just an engineer and a distributor. Okay. So it's yeah one product two 1056 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,080 different distributors to technically meet the rules. 1057 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:24,320 Okay. Thank you. All right. 1058 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:28,320 Okay. What's the pleasure of the council? 1059 01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:32,719 I I just want to be clear. I don't think there's really an issue as to whether or 1060 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:36,880 not Bear Saver or Taho Bearbox would have met the qualifications as well, the 1061 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:40,800 specifications. The real issue is whether Carson Valley Welding meets 1062 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,960 those specifications as we bid the project. 1063 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:48,320 And and I want to open up to the public too. Does anyone in the uh public have 1064 01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:50,719 any comments on this bid? Okay, I'll close the public comment back 1065 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,719 to council. Can I ask a question of of Donudge? 1066 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:04,400 If we're looking at at best value, obviously longevity is one of the 1067 01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:06,000 things. What What is your box warrantied for? What is a length of warranty you 1068 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:11,120 give? Well, we had a limited lifetime warranty 1069 01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:14,400 on the stainless steel hinges. Randy made a statement that we're not using 1070 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:17,360 stainless steel hinges and in fact we are and it is stated in my bid package 1071 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:21,199 as such. So what what is your warranty? 1072 01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:25,280 The warranty is lifetime on the hinges and we've got 10 years on the powder 1073 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:31,440 coat and we've also we're also going to uh be using an anti-graffiti powder 1074 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:38,480 because we feel it's best for the city because of the tagging and uh the tag 1075 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:41,120 the tagging marking and any um vinyl decals that are put on the box. they'll 1076 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:46,239 be able to be removed. So, that's in response to to the appellant's uh 1077 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:49,760 arguments that their boxes are designed to use thousand times a day and yours 1078 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:53,199 are used residentially. We have the same usage and they give a 20-year warranty. 1079 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:56,080 You're giving a He didn't state a warranty. 1080 01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:58,239 I thought he did. I thought he said 20 years. 1081 01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,880 He said they they should last. He didn't state a warranty. 1082 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,000 But you're giving the city a limited lifetime warranty on the box 1083 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:06,159 on the hinges and the latches and 1084 01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:09,280 and those are the parts that would wear out. 1085 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:14,520 How long should your box last? as long as his last. It's the same steel. It's 1086 01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:14,520 the same material. 1087 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:21,760 Angela Gary, what were your criteria for 1088 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:28,159 evaluating the responses received? Like what was the basis for your rankings? 1089 01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:33,120 The ranking is based upon the pricing. All right. So even though we say best 1090 01:22:29,679 --> 01:22:36,320 value, best value really meant pricing. There weren't any other factoring 1091 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:41,360 criteria brought in like lifetime, length of 1092 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:44,400 life, any other no no 1093 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,480 subjective or other data. It was purely on price. 1094 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:50,800 It was making sure that the uh the lowest response was also a responsive 1095 01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:55,120 bidder. Yeah. I want I want to just add I want 1096 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:59,760 to thank the council uh because of the time frame involved. Usually these 1097 01:22:56,719 --> 01:23:04,159 things would be worked out um before going before council. uh this item was 1098 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:08,239 already on the agenda and when the bid protest came in on Friday and then so 1099 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:11,520 therefore we're here before you today. Okay. Thank you Gary. 1100 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:16,560 If as a consequence of council action there is so either way we go and with 1101 01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:20,080 the timelines on this program what happens what happens I'm thinking back 1102 01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:25,360 to Lake View Commons a different situation but one in which as a result 1103 01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:30,239 of a decision made by council there was a protest 1104 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:34,719 and a delay in the project moving. So what happens either way, whether we send 1105 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:38,480 it back to be rebid or we accept it, what are the consequences and the 1106 01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:42,960 consequences to the grant? It's possible that the grant could go 1107 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:46,719 away, although um the grant coordinator has applied for an additional one-year 1108 01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:50,800 extension. We've already had a one-year extension. 1109 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:54,560 Stan might be able to follow up on Angela's question. What 1110 01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:59,040 would be the quickest turnaround if we said uh there are some there is some 1111 01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:02,960 confusion here. we'd like to rebid it and clarify that it's it's it's as long 1112 01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:06,400 as they meet the criteria, it's low bidder, things like that. What what 1113 01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:11,199 would what would the turnaround time if you said, "Okay, we're going to reject 1114 01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:14,080 all bids, reissue a solicitation." How soon could What's the shortest time 1115 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:18,719 frame you could use? We usually go out to bid uh have it out 1116 01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:21,760 posted for about 3 weeks after that. What's the shortest we could do and 1117 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,400 still meet the criteria? That depends upon the vendors 1118 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:29,120 themselves. could we could do it just a matter of a couple of days if they can 1119 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:31,760 put together a a bid that quickly for 1120 01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:34,000 well legally what is what's the legal requirement 1121 01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:37,760 well I think legally it just has to be a reasonable time the shortest I've seen 1122 01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:40,159 it is generally about two weeks so okay 1123 01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:44,560 and then if it was two weeks at what point would we be back at this point 1124 01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:47,040 it's about two weeks before we can get it back on the council so you're looking 1125 01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,480 at at least a month at least a month 1126 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,040 before it would come back would that would that jeopardize the 1127 01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:54,480 program that's possible What was the deadline in 1128 01:24:53,360 --> 01:25:01,199 the program? The end of May end of May. 1129 01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:04,159 Okay. By the end of May on the wording. But by the end of May, we have to have 1130 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:07,840 it awarded or we got to actually have the cans. 1131 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,560 I'm not familiar with the actual wording in the grant itself. 1132 01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:14,159 The grant's been going on for a couple years according to staff report. 1133 01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:18,800 It has. We've already had one extension on this grant because of the transition 1134 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,800 in staff. 1135 01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:25,920 Can we get clarification about the impact on is it easy enough to look up 1136 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:31,520 the wording on if the cans have to be bought or where we have to be in the 1137 01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:35,040 process in May to retain the grant? If we tried to make it on the existing 1138 01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:38,800 deadline without any extension, I would assume the money would have to be 1139 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:40,639 encumbered by the end of when the grant expired. 1140 01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:44,400 And that could be a purchase order, correct? 1141 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:47,440 And a purchase order is not that hard to get taken care of. Let me ask the other 1142 01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:51,120 question and answer the other side of it. If there's a protest, a suit is 1143 01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:57,880 filed or something is going on or however the the protest continues, what 1144 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,880 happens to our ability to move forward? 1145 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,880 That's what I'm saying, but I want to hear Steph. 1146 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:06,560 Yeah, I would assume that's I would assume that we can't go forward with the 1147 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:13,719 purchase obviously until that's resolved and that and the grant would either have 1148 01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:13,719 to be extended or dropped. 1149 01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:18,400 Okay. I'd recommend we move forward with all speed and 1150 01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:21,040 you want to make a rebate. Comments from council before we take 1151 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:24,800 action. Sure. I have a couple of comments. It does say 1152 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:30,239 that the ward shall be made to the bidder who in sole discretion of the 1153 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:34,960 city offers the best value to the city. Um I'm a little uncomfortable about some 1154 01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:40,000 of the imperfections. uh we've got burned pretty badly with 1155 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:46,560 Lake View Commons and you know I know there's bid deadlines or grand deadlines 1156 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:51,199 but uh I'm concerned that if we I think we should do this again. I think we 1157 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:56,880 should uh be a little more clear on some of these issues or address these 1158 01:26:52,639 --> 01:27:01,920 concerns. The idea of changing the the um the type of metal being used after 1159 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:05,280 the the fact bothers me even though it might not be material. But all these 1160 01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:09,280 issues can be brought in front of a court and who knows how a judge would 1161 01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:12,719 look and I think we need to bring more perfection to the bidding process than 1162 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:17,840 we have here. And I think we should state it 1163 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:21,199 specifically low bid based on the specs. That's right. I I appreciate though the 1164 01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:26,480 wiggle room with best value in that if you get an an a low bidder that is not 1165 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:31,199 necess that we don't find to be a responsible bidder that I like that but 1166 01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:37,280 I would add in maybe the judging criteria that the criteria will be based 1167 01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:40,159 on low bid number one criteria and then the secondary I think that can help us 1168 01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:44,080 out with that to protect us and you know no criticism to staff but 1169 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:48,080 you didn't seem when you put the criteria together that you appreciated 1170 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:52,159 what kind of metal should be used and so you know what kind of expertise 1171 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:58,639 does our staff have to evaluate the qualities of these boxes 1172 01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:02,639 and and uh um and again it's a learning process but I just think that there's 1173 01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:07,760 been there's too many questions here for me to award a bid today I I'm just 1174 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,719 uncomfortable I think we should do it again 1175 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:13,600 okay to to the city manager can you ensure 1176 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:16,960 working with staff to get this back to us in a timely way so that we can 1177 01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:20,480 protect ourselves to make sure that there's a purchase order and this is 1178 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:22,800 encumbered within that deadline. I don't want to trust an extension in this 1179 01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:26,719 environment. We could have this back to you by the 1180 01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:30,159 meeting of April 17th. In the interim, we can work with the folks on the grant 1181 01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:33,440 to explain the situation, but I think you can still encumber these funds in 1182 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,360 time to meet the requirements of the grant 1183 01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:38,719 and you know the issues as discussed here today. So, okay, Cheryl will 1184 01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:43,920 entertain a motion then. I make a motion not to award this bid 1185 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:46,320 and to request a rebid. Well, I think all we're going to do is make a motion 1186 01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:49,360 to reject all bids. Make a motion to reject all bids 1187 01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,960 and then rebid it and then direct the staff to rebid. 1188 01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,320 Is that a motion then? That's a motion. 1189 01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:58,080 Second. Move and seconded. Any further 1190 01:28:56,000 --> 01:29:01,320 discussion by councel? Let's vote. 1191 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:13,760 That motion was unanimously carried. Okay, moving on. Uh that's the end of 1192 01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:17,760 the consent agenda. We move forward to new business. Uh first item on new 1193 01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:21,760 business is agreement between the city of South Lake Tahoe, California Tahoe 1194 01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:28,239 Conservancy to transfer property ownership between the city and CTC. Uh 1195 01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:32,239 and the APN numbers are all listed on here and staff will present those uh 1196 01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:36,000 those properties. Hillary. Good morning, council. Hillary Rover, 1197 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:39,920 director of development services. What you're considering uh in this agenda 1198 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:46,239 item is an agreement with the California Tahoe Conservancy to transfer property 1199 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:51,360 ownership between the city and um the conservancy. 1200 01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:57,600 The agreement involves two city parcels and four conservancy sites and um some 1201 01:29:55,199 --> 01:30:02,080 coverage allocation. Thank you, Sebastian. You're awesome on 1202 01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:08,000 short notice to get the map up for me. Um, the parcels involved are the city 1203 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:13,199 parcels. The first is the city's former drive-in theater property that's on 1204 01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:17,520 Glenwood. And the purpose of the conservancy um obtaining ownership of 1205 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:23,520 this property is to complete the restoration and remove u the coverage 1206 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:28,960 that exist exists on the property. Then they would uh they plan to retire the 1207 01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:34,480 majority of that coverage to meet their obligations under the excess coverage 1208 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:40,600 mitigation program and um potentially put the property up for sale as a single 1209 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,600 family home site. 1210 01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:49,600 The second city property involved is um along the upper Truckucky River near 1211 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:55,440 Sunset Drive. And the um conservy's interest in this property is that um by 1212 01:30:52,880 --> 01:31:01,360 their owning it, they can include it as part of their um Upper Truckucky Marsh 1213 01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:06,400 restoration project. Conservancy parcels that are included in 1214 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:12,880 this agreement. Um the first one is the former Unicel property on Highway 50 1215 01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:18,719 that's next to the um IHOP. This property was purchased by the CTC 1216 01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:22,480 just last year and um due to the the location, the zoning, and that there had 1217 01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:27,760 been previous um coverage on the property, it could be available for a 1218 01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:34,080 variety of uses. Um there's no um specific um plan with the city to use it 1219 01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:38,639 for for anything particular at this point. Um but because it does have that 1220 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:44,480 development potential, could be an asset for the city. 1221 01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:49,600 Next is the conservancy parcels next to the Tahoe Daily Tribune building on the 1222 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:55,120 corner of Harrison Avenue and Modesto. This is um five different properties. 1223 01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:59,280 And I do need to correct um some information in the staff report. I fixed 1224 01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:04,880 it at the end of the paragraph but not within the paragraph. The um maximum 1225 01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:10,400 allowed coverage if we were to develop that as a parking lot would be 50%. And 1226 01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:15,440 there's a couple places in here where it still says 70, but um as a public 1227 01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:22,239 service facility, we could develop that uh with 50% coverage. And your next 1228 01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:28,320 agenda item includes a um amendment to professional services agreement with RO 1229 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:33,679 Anderson to begin taking that from a uh conceptual 1230 01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:37,040 site for a parking lot to uh detailed designs as part of the Harrison Avenue 1231 01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:41,840 project. Then we have a few um properties owned 1232 01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:46,239 by the conservancy that um have historically been maintained and 1233 01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:52,719 operated by the city. These include three parcels um on the west end of 1234 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:57,120 Reagan Beach where the city has uh maintained the property as part of 1235 01:32:54,080 --> 01:33:04,800 Reagan Beach and um it is one of the sites that is utilized for weddings. 1236 01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:07,440 Right next to as you exit Rab Beach to the right. 1237 01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:10,159 Yes. on the hill where they do weddings on on the west side. 1238 01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:12,560 We manage that now anyway, don't we? For the weddings 1239 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:16,320 there. Yes, there has been um an agreement. I believe it's actually 1240 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:18,400 expired at this point, but the city um has historically maintained and 1241 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:22,560 operated. Great location. Yeah. 1242 01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:28,719 And the second um property in a similar situation is um property that was 1243 01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:36,800 acquired by the conservancy that was previously um owned by CALR for 1244 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:43,280 the potential highway rerouting uh rightway and it's right there um as part 1245 01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:48,239 of the soccer field next to the Lake Tahoe Community College uh the community 1246 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:53,920 ball field. The conservancy property includes um the parking lot there um a 1247 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:58,560 small portion of the the field itself and the bike trail. And again, the city 1248 01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:04,480 has historically maintained and operated that property. And the question came up 1249 01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:08,639 at the CTC board meeting last week about why the city would want to take 1250 01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:14,239 ownership of these properties if we've had these agreements to maintain and 1251 01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:19,360 operate. And um really it's just a streamlining of the process and putting 1252 01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:26,960 uh properties in the hands of agencies that best manage them. So if there are 1253 01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:30,960 major maintenance or um or repairs that need to be done on these properties, it 1254 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:37,040 really streamlines the process um that the one doing the work actually owns the 1255 01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:43,120 property as well. As part of the agreement also, the 1256 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:48,320 conservancy would allocate 60,000 square feet of potential land coverage within 1257 01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:52,560 the south state line hydraologic area and 50,000 square ft of potential land 1258 01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:58,880 coverage within the upper Truckucky hydraologic area uh to be used for city 1259 01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:05,520 public service or recreation projects within those hydraologic zones. 1260 01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:11,280 There's no monetary exchange associated with this particular agreement. Um, 1261 01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:16,080 however, we would split the um title and escrow fees and then the city would 1262 01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:21,040 obtain title insurance for the conservancy properties that we take 1263 01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:25,120 ownership for of. The CTC board did approve this agreement at their meeting 1264 01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:28,400 last week and if you have any questions, be happy to answer them. 1265 01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:33,360 Questions for Hillary? Uh, Angela straight under 1266 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:36,880 one comment. One thing we did do um as part of the agreement, we've reviewed 1267 01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:42,159 the agreement and we approve it. We did add the two last paragraphs under the 1268 01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:45,920 indemnification on page eight dealing with the cirleta issues and that was 1269 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:50,560 primarily because of the unic gas station that they're going to transfer 1270 01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:54,960 over to us. So we wanted to be clear if there is any circular issues, any 1271 01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:58,639 petroleum, any cleanup that needs to be done on that site that CTC would 1272 01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:04,080 if I remember correctly how we purchased that property as a redevelopment agency 1273 01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:07,520 then sold it to Fantasy Inn. So I think the title was clear at that time you may 1274 01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,639 want to check it but that was an issue back then 1275 01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:12,960 and the case with the regional board has been closed. 1276 01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:17,040 Bruce, that was the same question I had about 1277 01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:20,639 the whether the site's clean. I'm sure it is. Uh, we'll open it up to 1278 01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:25,440 the public for any comments from the public regarding transfer land between 1279 01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:28,440 the CTC and and the city of South Lake Tahoe. 1280 01:36:28,639 --> 01:36:33,440 Hi, my name is Bob Demire. I live on Omali Drive. I just had a couple of 1281 01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:35,760 questions for Hillary. Welcome, Bob. 1282 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:39,679 Good. Welcome. Oh, thank you. 1283 01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:44,400 And good morning, council. Sorry. Uh, the appraisal values of the different 1284 01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:48,080 properties, are they comparable? The ones that they're going to be 1285 01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:52,080 exchanging and what specifically It's pretty close. We've looked at it. It's 1286 01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:57,520 It's a few bucks in favor of CTC, but it's it's not significant, 1287 01:36:53,520 --> 01:37:01,920 right? And then the um the streamlining, what are we talking about in savings and 1288 01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:06,639 dollars as a result of the streamlining? The JPA fields are getting pretty old, 1289 01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:11,760 aren't they? I mean, uh the what JPA the uh public ball fields I've heard 1290 01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:17,040 are are getting old and are going to be needing replacement. Does actually 1291 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:21,920 having title to the property save you money in when it comes time to replacing 1292 01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:23,520 them? I'm not quite sure I understand the 1293 01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:27,520 question. I think um Hillary, why don't you 1294 01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:32,080 address that? But I do think Cal, you could correct us in in maintaining the 1295 01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:35,679 new community ballfield built at the college. Isn't that a responsibility of 1296 01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:38,000 measure R to maintain or that they fund the cost of the 1297 01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:40,719 maintenance on that? Well, they fund the cost of building it. 1298 01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:46,360 I I think we're maintaining it. So, we're maintaining it anyway. Okay. 1299 01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,360 Hillary. 1300 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:53,520 Yeah, just to answer the questions that were brought up. Um the table in 1301 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:57,600 attachment C has details um regarding each property and um it did just occur 1302 01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:01,440 to me as I was sitting down. I also did not mention that for the drive-in 1303 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:05,520 theater property. Excuse me. The city would retain the 1304 01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:10,000 rights for an easement and a U construction staging area related to the 1305 01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:14,639 Beiju erosion control project. But, um, back to attachment C that gives the 1306 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:19,679 details of each of the properties, excuse me. 1307 01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:25,600 Um, the drive-in theater property, we did have an appraisal done. That 1308 01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:31,119 appraisal, um, the the value was set at $630,000. 1309 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:35,600 Um, there is some question of the amount of coverage on the property that was 1310 01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:40,560 included in the appraisal. So, we agreed to make the the value a range until 1311 01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:47,280 those issues could be um clarified with TRPA and then um $18,000 was taken off 1312 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:54,560 of the value for the easement and the construction staging area for the Beiju 1313 01:38:49,199 --> 01:39:00,800 erosion control project. Um the other properties that had appraisals 1314 01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:05,040 done on them were the Harrison Avenue properties. 1315 01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:14,040 Let me find the value here. And that was the um five different lots 1316 01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:14,040 and the appraisal for those 1317 01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:23,920 came in at $150,000. And then the former Unical property was 1318 01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:30,000 also we had a um a formal appraisal done that came in at $357,000. 1319 01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:34,400 And then the other properties that um you are listed as the asset lands, we 1320 01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:39,840 did not go through the expense of having a detailed appraisal done on them, but 1321 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:47,119 we were able to um put some approximate values based on um comparable sales um 1322 01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:53,440 as well as experience with the CTC on land exchanges. Um so that's where those 1323 01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:59,360 values came from. And if you compare the um just the asset lands part of the 1324 01:39:56,159 --> 01:40:03,760 trade um it does come out to um pretty close to an even trade for the two um 1325 01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:06,719 agencies. Questions for Hillary. 1326 01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,840 All right. Maybe a follow-up comment for Bob to 1327 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,440 help explain things and I know we have Bruce coming up from CTC to help explain 1328 01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:16,960 a few of the things, but in terms of the value, especially at that ball field, we 1329 01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:21,440 learned when we did the snow globe event that all of a sudden there was a wrinkle 1330 01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:25,520 in the city trying to do um a larger scale event than just the the local 1331 01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:29,520 soccer leagues managing it because we had to go through CTC as another layer 1332 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:34,639 of approvals for a property that we essentially manage and take care of and 1333 01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:37,600 consider to be ours. So that it it's a clarification and a streamlining. And 1334 01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:42,880 then I the one comment I promised earlier I'd make and then as a prelude 1335 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:48,320 to Bruce is that CTC has been talking with the city and other agencies that 1336 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:53,040 over the last 20 years as properties urban properties have been acquired by 1337 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:58,560 CTC to do their function. There are some properties that make more sense to be 1338 01:40:55,119 --> 01:41:02,320 aligned into another holder such as CTC does a better job with urban uplands 1339 01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:07,679 areas. Perhaps some of their properties that are more in wilder areas may make 1340 01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:11,440 more sense for the Forest Service or the county to maintain because of adjacency 1341 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:16,239 to their properties and to preserve and protect them and and we all have to be 1342 01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:20,560 paying attention to budgets and the affordability of maintaining them. this 1343 01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:23,360 exchange aligned so that the city is owning properties that make some sense 1344 01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:27,520 and have it. We're not going to do anything with that drive-in property. It 1345 01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:31,119 was primarily a backup for coverage based on hydraological area and also 1346 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:34,639 because we thought at one point we were going to move Beiju Park in that 1347 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:38,800 direction and and a new forest is growing in there 1348 01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:43,040 now. So to align that back to CTC makes sense with CTC's covenants and something 1349 01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:46,960 they're not moving away from. That was the biggest piece I wanted to frame. 1350 01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:51,600 After the CTC meeting, I got hit with several people saying, "Is CTC getting 1351 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:55,360 out of business? Are they going into development?" And that's not the case. 1352 01:41:53,040 --> 01:42:00,480 We're just aligning proper property strategically. That makes sense, such as 1353 01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:04,239 Unicel property along Highway 50 by Fantasy. It makes more sense for us to 1354 01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:08,960 have that available for appropriate development on the city's business core 1355 01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:14,000 and for them to have again the drive-in property in some of the other areas. So, 1356 01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:19,760 it's really a smart, cautious, slowm moving alignment of strategic properties 1357 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:25,360 that fit very tight criteria and don't violate bond covenants, use covenants, 1358 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:28,480 or any other factor for the CTC or for the city. 1359 01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:33,040 Thank you, Mr. Mayor and members of the council. 1360 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:38,639 Bruce Eisner with the Tahoe Conservancy staff. As Hillary had indicated and 1361 01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:43,280 Angela is a member of our board, the conservancy did unanimously approve the 1362 01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:49,760 proposal that is before the council last Thursday. And uh essentially on behalf 1363 01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:54,480 of the staff of the conservancy, we appreciated the efforts of the city 1364 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:59,760 manager and Hillary as well as a couple of the council members who were involved 1365 01:42:56,719 --> 01:43:05,199 in helping to put together uh the proposal before you that I think 1366 01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:13,360 Angela has summarized very well. It meets our objectives respectively. It's 1367 01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:17,520 consistent with the principles of both organizations and I'm certainly 1368 01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,800 available to answer specific questions if you have any. 1369 01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:23,760 Okay. Any specific questions for CTC? We like 1370 01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:27,679 you. You give away money. So, it's always a good agency that gives away 1371 01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:31,199 money. Any other questions from council? Okay. We've already closed the public 1372 01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:34,960 session. Back to council for action. Chair will entertain a motion. I'd just 1373 01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:39,360 like to clarify too that we had the benefit of Hal Cole coming in to help us 1374 01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:43,520 with the final negotiations on this who is a former CTC board member and 1375 01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:47,600 long-term advocate who has brought a very deep understanding and historic 1376 01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:51,280 perspective on it and and and Hal, if you'd want to carry the me the um the 1377 01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:55,760 motion. All right, I'll carry the motion then to 1378 01:43:53,040 --> 01:44:01,360 approve and execute the agreement for the uh property ex transfer between CTC 1379 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:05,320 and the city of South Lake Tahoe. Moved and seconded. Let's vote. 1380 01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:18,320 That motion's unanimously carried. Thank you. Uh, next under new business 1381 01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:22,480 is amendment number one to professional service agreement between the city of 1382 01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:26,480 South Lake Tahoe and Ro Anderson Engineering for engineering design 1383 01:44:24,719 --> 01:44:32,320 permitting and financial consulting services for Harrison Avenue project in 1384 01:44:29,199 --> 01:44:35,600 the amount of $53,771. Hillary, 1385 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:39,920 thank you. Hillary Rover, director of development services. Um, what's before 1386 01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:44,239 you is amendment number one to the professional services agreement with RO 1387 01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:47,840 Anderson for engineering design, permitting, and financial consulting 1388 01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:52,880 services for the Harrison Avenue project. Um, in December, the city 1389 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:58,320 council approved the professional services agreement with RO Anderson and 1390 01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:03,280 we have been working uh with the property owners in the 1391 01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:07,360 Harrison Avenue area and um, RO Anderson has been facilitating a lot of very good 1392 01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:12,320 discussions with those property owners and as the project design has moved 1393 01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:16,800 forward and been refined, we've directed several changes. Uh those and changes 1394 01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:21,840 include realignment of the bike trail behind the businesses along Riverside 1395 01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:26,239 Avenue, including the parking lot on the five uh parcels on the corner of Modesto 1396 01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:32,480 and Harrison that were just discussed in the the land exchange. uh modifications 1397 01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:38,320 to the two boat trailer parking lots down by the Lake View Commons end of the 1398 01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:42,639 project and to um those modifications are to accommodate uh the bike trail 1399 01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:48,719 going through those properties and um connecting to Lake View Commons. 1400 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:54,080 The current project design which we're at about uh 50% level are scheduled to 1401 01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:58,480 be presented to the planning commission as well as the city council um in April. 1402 01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:03,679 The planning commission meeting is April 12th and council is April 17th where we 1403 01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:09,760 would um just for discussion purposes present those designs um and get some 1404 01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:13,920 detailed feedback on that. These changes that have been directed 1405 01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:18,320 require an amendment to the professional services agreement with RO Anderson in 1406 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:23,600 order to complete the design work that is outside of the original project area 1407 01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:28,960 and to incorporate the property there on Harrison and Modesto. 1408 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:34,639 The amendment also includes a review of the city's pedestrian light standard. Uh 1409 01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:39,440 council has expressed um some concerns or um questions about the current city 1410 01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:44,719 light standard. So we've requested that the um uh lighting engineer that is 1411 01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:50,239 working on the Harrison Avenue project also do uh an overall review of that 1412 01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:56,000 standard for its appropriateness for um lighting bike paths and sidewalks. 1413 01:46:53,360 --> 01:47:01,119 The total cost of the amendment is uh $53,771 1414 01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:05,440 which is within the original contracted contingency amount. Uh with this 1415 01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:09,800 amendment, it would bring the entire contract amount to $599859. 1416 01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:14,440 I'm sorry, $599,895. 1417 01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:21,440 No sense. Um, 1418 01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:25,600 so other than that, blunder if you have any other questions for open to the 1419 01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:30,639 public health. Um, Hillary, can you um bring me up to 1420 01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:34,480 speed? We have an existing parking lot next to the new Lake View Commons boat 1421 01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:35,520 lot launch. That was a motel we tore down. 1422 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:39,679 Mhm. That that parking lot, I think, is only 1423 01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:42,560 covering 30% of the land. Correct. 1424 01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:46,880 When Rick Angelo was here, he and I looked at it. that was there was banked 1425 01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:49,199 coverage on there from the existing motel that exceeded 30%. 1426 01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:52,239 Correct. Is that coverage still there? Because 1427 01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:55,840 I'm still concerned that that parking lot is not big enough and I've always 1428 01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:59,280 advocated that we need to especially with boat launching that just eats up 1429 01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:03,600 parking like you can't believe. Is there still coverage available on that? And if 1430 01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:07,360 so, would that be under the scope of our Anderson to to see if we could expand 1431 01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,920 the parking lot given that we have coverage there? 1432 01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:16,080 Yes, it is. I've been working with the TRPA staff to um allow for 50% coverage 1433 01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:20,320 on that property as a public service facility that's accessory to the 1434 01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:24,960 recreation facilities adjacent. Uh the difficulty was that that property um was 1435 01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:29,679 not included in the community plan boundaries when it was um demoed as the 1436 01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:36,320 hotel and turned into the parking lot. But um I do have um verbal 1437 01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:40,719 acknowledgement from TRPA staff that um that their interpretation of the code 1438 01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:44,480 would be that that could have up to 50% and I'm currently working on getting 1439 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:50,719 that in writing from them. But it is a part of this scope amendment that Ro 1440 01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:55,360 Anderson would um redesign that parking area. putting the bike path through 1441 01:48:53,040 --> 01:49:00,239 there. We have we may need to make some adjustments to the trailer parking which 1442 01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:05,440 we need to retain for the um obligations under the grant, but um that may need to 1443 01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:12,400 be moved um in order to accommodate that bike trail. And in addition providing 1444 01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:18,320 more regular car vehicle um parking up to that 50% coverage on that property. 1445 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:23,360 And that property would also be utilized as a primary location for water quality 1446 01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:26,960 treatment for the entire project area. And am I correct? There was 1447 01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:30,320 with the footprint of the motel, there was more than 50% coverage there. There 1448 01:49:28,639 --> 01:49:34,960 is. So that extra coverage is in the South Stateline area. Could we then use 1449 01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:40,239 that coverage to go to the 30 to 50% on Harrison Avenue Park? 1450 01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:45,679 Yes. So, we have a we have a um a bank of coverage in that state line 1451 01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:50,159 hydraologic area that would allow us to utilize that for the Harrison and 1452 01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:54,159 Modesto property as well as expanding. My goal is to maximize the parking on 1453 01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:58,000 both those. If I've learned anything in 20 years, it's parking really drives the 1454 01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:02,320 projects. I don't care how much we try to inhibit it and encourage people to 1455 01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:07,360 take buses and stuff. Our visitors for the foreseeable future want to get back 1456 01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:12,159 and forth to the beach. Yes, and that is our intent to maximize um in both those 1457 01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:18,239 locations. We've also again been working with the the property owners diligently 1458 01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:23,920 to squeeze in every parking space that we can um find room for so that they can 1459 01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:25,679 um still have parking for their business. 1460 01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:27,840 Less is the impact on the neighborhood if we can provide public parking. 1461 01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:31,840 Right. Thank you, Bruce. 1462 01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:35,360 Angela. Okay. Open up the public for comments. 1463 01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:40,880 Does anyone in the public have any comments on uh this item? 1464 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:44,760 Okay, seeing none, back to council. Council entertain a motion. 1465 01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:52,760 I move approval. Second. 1466 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:52,760 Move and seconded. Let's vote. 1467 01:50:58,639 --> 01:51:04,639 The motion's unanimously carried. Thank you. The next item on new 1468 01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:09,600 business, item C, discussion and possible direction action for staff to 1469 01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:13,920 fac to facilitate the development of a joint study group with the city of South 1470 01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:18,080 Lake Tahoe Fire Department and the Lake Valley Fire Protection District to 1471 01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:22,560 explore a possible consolidation of the two agencies. 1472 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:27,520 Brian, uh, Mayor Prom, Council Brian Uler, uh, police and fire chief for city 1473 01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:30,880 of South Lake Tahoe. Um, on the agenda transmittal, I 1474 01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:34,400 indicated that it would take about 10 minutes. I hope you're not disappointed 1475 01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:40,040 or feel cheated if I go a little bit under that. Uh, not counting for 1476 01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:40,040 questions. 1477 01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:49,119 Our uh, city's chop from the top approach to uh, financial problem is 1478 01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:55,840 positioned well uh, in terms of our fire department uh, potentially merging or 1479 01:51:52,000 --> 01:52:01,679 consolidating with Lake Valley. Our lean design meaning no chief and um not 1480 01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:06,400 having a traditional management structure has given rise to a ground 1481 01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:11,520 swell of dialogue both inside and outside the department. Uh my sense at 1482 01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:17,040 this very early stage is that at a minimum uh our community is poised for a 1483 01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:23,520 thoughtful evaluation and consideration for uh such a merger or consolidation. 1484 01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:29,520 Early on, our fire department, our fire association was in contact with Lake 1485 01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:33,920 Valley Fire Association and in turn uh Gareth Harris, the chief for Lake Valley 1486 01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:39,199 Fire Department has approached the Lake Valley Governing body in an effort to 1487 01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:44,719 seek approval which was uh completed on March 8th for uh continuing to move a 1488 01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:49,520 process forward. Uh note that I previously referred to 1489 01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:54,719 this as a merger. I I think that in my mind the end result of a full 1490 01:52:52,159 --> 01:53:00,000 consolidation would be uh representing an entirely new organization. Uh 1491 01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:05,119 characterizing this as one taking over another might be dangerous or cause one 1492 01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:08,639 group to feel inferior in some way to the other group. So I think it's 1493 01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:12,719 important for us to uh be sensitive about some of those things as we move 1494 01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:17,679 forward. I believe that our ultimate goal or end view uh should be a larger 1495 01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:23,520 more efficient organization that makes better use of upper level resources. An 1496 01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:30,159 example of that would be having a single command structure that uh oversees five 1497 01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:33,920 stations that operate within the city as opposed to two separate command 1498 01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:40,960 structures each of which do three or two stations just seems on its face as being 1499 01:53:36,639 --> 01:53:47,440 more efficient. Um further a single training program would be uh a you know 1500 01:53:44,639 --> 01:53:52,159 useful and more efficient. Uh having a single fire prevention program I believe 1501 01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:58,159 would meet the needs of our community. Today staff is asking for council 1502 01:53:54,400 --> 01:54:02,560 support to move forward um with this requ this this request is simple. We're 1503 01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:07,199 not asking for money or a consultant firm or anything like that. It seems to 1504 01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:12,400 me that the to make the best decision about uh such an effort that has some 1505 01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:18,000 significance to it would require our people uh meaning our council members, 1506 01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:23,199 Lake Valley board, our city manager, employees and management folks to fully 1507 01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:28,320 understand the intimate financial and people details 1508 01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:32,080 uh about such a a merger. A closing thought is that I don't 1509 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:36,880 believe that uh such an effort would be wasted. Uh because there's really a 1510 01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:41,360 broad spectrum of potential outcomes. Uh on one end, we could leave our 1511 01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:45,920 organizations as they are right now. Um at in the middle somewhere might be 1512 01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:51,199 contracts with Lake Valley that includes coverage, management coverage or command 1513 01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:56,239 kinders of coverage um at more significant events. Uh coverage for fire 1514 01:54:54,239 --> 01:55:01,520 marshall services and fire prevention programs. um maybe even a uh some sort 1515 01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:04,480 of a JPA formed between the two organizations. 1516 01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:07,440 And then at the other end of the spectrum, of course, is a successful 1517 01:55:06,159 --> 01:55:13,199 creation of a completely new organization that represents the needs 1518 01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:17,760 of all the city and Lake Valley district residents. 1519 01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:22,560 So that that concludes my presentation pending any of your questions. 1520 01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:25,840 Questions for the chief? Okay, seeing none, I'll open to the 1521 01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:29,480 public for comments. Anyone in the public have any comments? 1522 01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:40,880 Uh Dave Huber, Lake Valley Fire Protection District Board of Director. 1523 01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:44,560 And uh we urge you to go forward with this, at 1524 01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:48,880 least on a committee standpoint, to sit down and let's talk about consolidation 1525 01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:55,119 or mergers or whatever you're referring to it, annexation. 1526 01:55:51,520 --> 01:56:00,960 um our board voted to um bring this proposal to you and uh I think uh it's 1527 01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:07,599 best for our service to our community that at least we owe them the the to 1528 01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:10,000 look into it and uh to forge on. So questions of Dave. 1529 01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:11,920 Okay. Thank you. All right. 1530 01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:14,239 Anyone else have any comments under public comments? 1531 01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:19,520 I do have one question for Dave. Dave, who be would be representing Lake 1532 01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:23,520 Valley's board on this study group? That hasn't been decided yet. until you 1533 01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,960 guys make a decision here if you're going to pursue it. 1534 01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:29,599 Okay? So then we'd get back to our meeting and 1535 01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:33,599 decide who'd be on that uh committee and I'm sure you'd be doing the same 1536 01:56:31,119 --> 01:56:40,199 thing if you approve it today. Okay. Anyone else in the public have any 1537 01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:40,199 comments before I close public comments? 1538 01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:45,199 Seeing none public comments are closed. Back to council for discussion and 1539 01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:50,239 action. Uh regarding the the timing, I think 1540 01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:54,800 timing is perfect for us right now because of the economy and obviously our 1541 01:56:52,639 --> 01:56:58,159 structure has changed and one important thing in the study group that I was 1542 01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:02,320 really glad to see is that we're going to have uh it's recommended we have fire 1543 01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:05,840 association representative. I think that's critical that we have our 1544 01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:10,639 association there at the table because it's going to affect them too. So uh 1545 01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:15,040 with that I'll open it up to comments from the council. Angela, 1546 01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:19,040 just serving on the the JPA one, I'm already seeing how well our two agencies 1547 01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:22,719 work together in providing all of our EMS services and that this is a great 1548 01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:25,599 opportunity to look forward. I do want to make sure that the community 1549 01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:29,280 understands, at least from my perspective as a council member, we're 1550 01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:34,000 in an era where we have to look at cost and service delivery efficiencies, but 1551 01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:39,760 that this really will only exist if it makes sense for our staff for and the 1552 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:43,760 community they serve. If this doesn't work, you don't move forward for on a 1553 01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:46,719 cost basis. It's not the answer and it won't be rammed down people's throats. 1554 01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:53,040 There are a lot of things to be looked at. And as this evolves, they I am uh 1555 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:58,239 clear that there will be ample opportunity for our community members to 1556 01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:01,199 really weigh in on this and to understand what this means to them as 1557 01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:04,159 those who will be receiving those services. And I just want to make sure 1558 01:58:02,719 --> 01:58:08,320 that that's really clear that this bi-weekly process with this list that 1559 01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:12,800 we're looking first, does the service model fit? Is it appropriate? If it's 1560 01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:17,760 not, does it mean that meet the test to go forward? Does it what benefits can it 1561 01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:20,960 provide? And then what will it cost? And then we start really talking with our 1562 01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:24,159 community about is it what they want then having done all that work. And I 1563 01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:27,760 want to make sure that's really clear. Yeah. And to the public, this is just a 1564 01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:32,400 study group. No decisions as Angela said have been made. a lot of questions we 1565 01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:37,199 have to get defined and so we're looking at the opport the opportunity to do this 1566 01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:40,080 but uh no way are we proposing anything at this point but we got a lot of 1567 01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:44,719 questions and we got to get a lot of answers Bruce 1568 01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:49,920 I just think it's a good idea to look at its potential for saving the uh city 1569 01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:54,960 some money and we need to save money how uh we've been talking about this as 1570 01:58:52,800 --> 01:59:00,080 long as I've been involved in the city uh as you say timing is right we we owe 1571 01:58:57,119 --> 01:59:04,000 it to the public to to look at at what it would mean. But I agree with Angela. 1572 01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:10,080 The primary concern we all have going into this is is public safety, response 1573 01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:14,719 times, uh level of service. Are we being asked to also appoint two council 1574 01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:17,119 members at this meeting or if we pass this to do it at a later? 1575 01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:21,360 Two council meetings or two council members at this meeting. By the way, 1576 01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:25,760 Angela referred to it. Angela and I sit on a JPA. Tahoe uh provides the 1577 01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:29,760 ambulance service. We've got a template and we've worked together for 10 years 1578 01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:34,719 on that template and it's worked quite well. And by the way, most of the calls 1579 01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:39,920 uh are for ambullet service right now. So the JPA has been working well 1580 01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:43,679 together for a long long time and and we've got a great working relationship 1581 01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:47,679 uh with Lake Valley Fire Protection. Would it be appropriate for the two 1582 01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:52,320 members of the ambulance JPA to also serve as this? Is that what is people's 1583 01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:56,400 It's up to council. Yeah. we have your confidence it makes 1584 01:59:53,920 --> 02:00:00,560 sense to move forward or I mean Tom and I are both neither one of us have any 1585 01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:04,960 secrets or what we do so that if it was the council's desire to add 1586 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:08,639 What's that mean secrets what we do well it's it's just wide open and we 1587 02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:12,639 don't we don't we're not hugging our experience and our work to our chest and 1588 02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:16,719 that we're the only ones who can do it if the council felt it was important to 1589 02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:21,599 add another level of expertise by having one or two members do it I I don't have 1590 02:00:19,599 --> 02:00:25,040 an objection to it but we do we are steeped in 1591 02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:28,400 I think you're more familiar. I think it makes a lot of sense. 1592 02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:32,159 Just as a point of information, Claire did indicate a strong interest in 1593 02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:35,599 serving on this. So, if you could consider her in her absence. 1594 02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:37,840 That's fine. It's up to the direction of the council. I'll do whatever you want 1595 02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:42,560 to do. Well, I I like to move to use the 1596 02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:46,159 existing members that are on the JPA. Do I hear a second? 1597 02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:50,000 Make a motion for the We'll make that a separate one. 1598 02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:54,320 What staff? I see what you're saying. 1599 02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:58,320 Okay. I move staff recommendation. Well, I Yeah, I'll second that we 1600 02:00:56,560 --> 02:01:03,960 authorize a formation of a joint study group to explore the possibility. 1601 02:00:59,599 --> 02:01:03,960 Okay. Moved and seconded. Let's vote. 1602 02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:21,119 Motion unanimously carried. We need a second motion. 1603 02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:26,719 Okay. As soon as the screen's clear. Okay. I move that we appoint the two 1604 02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:33,880 existing members to the existing G JPA to be on this study group. 1605 02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:33,880 Second. Moved and second it. Let's vote. 1606 02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:47,199 That motion's unanimously carried. Thank you very much. And that concludes 1607 02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:51,679 new business. We'll go on to uh council member reports before we go into close 1608 02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:57,280 session and we'll start with uh Angela. 1609 02:01:55,840 --> 02:02:03,119 Nothing to add. Okay, Bruce. 1610 02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:08,400 Uh just one thing to report. Um, at some point this council is going to 1611 02:02:04,639 --> 02:02:15,040 be facing uh uh to make a selection regarding uh connect concession air 1612 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:19,599 services at Elorado Beach Boat uh launch facility. 1613 02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:26,159 Um there's some proposals out there and some people have bid bidded for those 1614 02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:30,480 concessionire positions. Um, I'm aware that the uh Beach Comr Invocation 1615 02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:36,000 Membership Association uh that's located on 999 Lake View 1616 02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:41,360 Avenue has made an application for that and my wife who has worked there for 14 1617 02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:46,880 years as general manager. Um, therefore I I have have what the law 1618 02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:51,280 says a remote interest and I would have a conflict of interest. And so I'm just 1619 02:02:49,119 --> 02:02:56,800 announcing that I will not be involved in any of those discussions or obviously 1620 02:02:54,719 --> 02:03:02,719 voting or be involved in any way whatsoever in the uh selection of 1621 02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:06,800 whoever might be that concessionaire. And I will not discuss with any of the 1622 02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:12,320 other council members any of my views regarding that that contract. And I need 1623 02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:18,000 to announce that. And uh the beach comr is a nonprofit organization under IRS 1624 02:03:14,719 --> 02:03:23,119 code section 501c3. And um I think that covers it, but just 1625 02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:24,639 so that council's aware of that. Okay. 1626 02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:30,480 Thank you, Cal. It was brought to my attention uh 1627 02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:35,599 earlier that we have now begun enforcing um the property owners to clear public 1628 02:03:33,040 --> 02:03:41,119 sidewalks that front their property and we've have cited a few people and I I've 1629 02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:45,199 also been informed, I don't know if it's true, that RDA property, conservancy 1630 02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:48,159 property, any publicly held property is not being held to the same standard. I 1631 02:03:46,719 --> 02:03:52,239 just wonder if that's true and if if that ordinance required public entities 1632 02:03:50,719 --> 02:03:56,480 to clear their public sidewalks in front of their property as well. 1633 02:03:54,320 --> 02:04:03,440 Stan, can you address that? Yeah, we're making every effort to clear 1634 02:03:58,719 --> 02:04:05,840 the city sidewalks um and uh to the same standard that the public is being 1635 02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:10,480 required to redevelopment belongs to the state now. 1636 02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:14,320 That's their job. So, and I don't know the conservancy own 1637 02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:18,560 I think owns a couple of parcels. I think they own Harrison Avenue still or 1638 02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:21,800 maybe not. May I provide clarification on that? 1639 02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:28,719 Yes. No. On the concern they own. That question was raised in the in the 1640 02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:32,080 board meeting and it was clarified that they are clearing their properties. They 1641 02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:36,000 are under contract with someone who is sent out every day on a on a seasonl 1642 02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:40,080 long contract to clear all their properties. 1643 02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:42,800 Okay. We'd work with the state agencies. The federal government's a different 1644 02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:46,320 story, but I don't know that they own any property along Highway 50, but 1645 02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:50,000 I just want to make sure we're holding ourselves the same standard we are to 1646 02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:54,560 the private property owners. That's all. Okay. Anything else? Al 1647 02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:58,960 had a couple quick items. Uh Angela, I'd like to get a presentation from the 1648 02:04:56,159 --> 02:05:04,320 Tahoe Transportation District. Uh I'm getting some conflicting information on 1649 02:05:00,719 --> 02:05:09,520 the the the ferry, the proposal. I have some serious concerns about it when I 1650 02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:12,639 read numbers like 3,500 people daily. Uh I'm not sure they're correct and we 1651 02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:18,080 don't want to discuss it now, but I'd like to get a presentation and part of 1652 02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:22,560 that is I'd like to tell transportation district to consider. I know you went to 1653 02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:26,080 DC. We want to really do the grand experiment here on transportation 1654 02:05:24,639 --> 02:05:30,480 instead of running across the lake ferry. I suggest we come up with a 1655 02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:35,040 program to do free South Lake Tahoe bus transportation for a couple years. It's 1656 02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:39,679 always been made comments by the TRPA and transportation district that we can 1657 02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:43,599 have a big impact uh in the city. So maybe perhaps we do a two-year 1658 02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:47,520 experiment with free bus transportation both for visitors and locals and maybe 1659 02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:51,119 they do the same thing on Northshore with TART. So I'd like you to see if we 1660 02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:56,239 can agend that or at least do a presentation. The last comment that I 1661 02:05:53,280 --> 02:06:00,880 had, I reviewing some uh uh on the planning commission uh process and I 1662 02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:04,880 noted in there and I thought we had discussed this and agreed. There is no 1663 02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:08,719 appeal process in the planning commission to the city council and I 1664 02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:12,239 have some concerns about that and I'd like to bring it back to council for 1665 02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:16,159 future discussion because we are the elected officials and it has to do with 1666 02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:19,920 the sign ordinance for example and if something gets turned down there is no 1667 02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:23,679 recourse uh for the public to come back to us who they elected. So if I have 1668 02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:26,320 concurrence with the council, I'd like to bring that back for for discussion in 1669 02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:28,719 the future. I'd like to see that discussed. 1670 02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:32,079 Okay. I just want to clarify on the planning 1671 02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:34,079 commission. It depends on what the item is. 1672 02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:38,079 And this has to do with signage. I read that specifically and that could be 1673 02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:42,000 contentuous. So I think it's important the to the public that we make that 1674 02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:46,880 final decision and they can appeal it to us. So with that uh with that said, 1675 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:51,360 we'll uh adjourn a regular meeting, take a fiveminut break, come back for a close 1676 02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:53,599 city attorney. Yeah, we got to take any public comments regarding closed session 1677 02:06:53,119 --> 02:06:58,480 items. I know. No, it's not any public comment 1678 02:06:56,079 --> 02:07:04,560 regarding I mean close session regarding closed session. And I forgot 1679 02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:08,560 to ask for city uh clerk's comments. Just state your next meeting is 1680 02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:10,800 scheduled for April 3rd. However, you do have a closed session this Saturday at 1681 02:07:10,239 --> 02:07:13,760 10 a.m. That's correct. City attorney, I just 1682 02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:16,800 got excited because we're almost done by 11. 1683 02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:20,320 I I I have none. City manager. 1684 02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:23,840 Nothing yet. See, I told you guys I had no comments. All right, meeting 1685 02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:27,079 adjourned. We'll go to close session in 5 minutes.