1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:08,320 I'd like to call to order the August 24th, 2026 regular city council meeting. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:13,120 If you'll please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:18,880 Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:25,160 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,160 justice for all. 6 00:00:27,510 --> 00:00:29,530 » [clears throat] 7 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:38,000 » City Clerk Deon, let the roll call show everyone is present this evening and 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,559 we'll move on to approval of the minutes for the August 10th city council 9 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:45,360 meeting. Council member Bogurt >> like to make a motion to approve the 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,120 minutes as presented. >> I'll support. 11 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:52,640 » Motion is second. Any further discussion regarding the minutes? All those in 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,039 favor, please say I. >> I opposed. 13 00:00:54,559 --> 00:01:03,039 » Thank you very much. Motion carries. So, we have no bills for this evening. 14 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:06,720 So, we'll move on to approval of tonight's agenda. 15 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,560 » Council member Hansen. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll move the 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:14,960 agenda as presented. Support. >> Motion in a second. Any further 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:19,280 discussion regarding tonight's agenda? >> All those in favor, please say I. I. 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:23,360 » Opposed. >> Thank you. 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:27,840 At this point, we will open the floor for public comment. Those wishing to 20 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:30,720 address the council are are welcome to do so. Please come to the podium, state 21 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:35,520 your name and address for the city clerk. You have a two-minute time frame 22 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:39,799 within which to do that. And uh it is just note that it is one-way discussion. 23 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:56,240 Good evening, council. Uh my name is Rosie Macintosh and I live at 408 24 00:01:52,640 --> 00:02:01,680 Washington um street and uh there's going to be a discussion tonight about 25 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:08,479 the housing commission. Um I'm concerned about the commission itself. It's pretty 26 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:13,920 much dissolved itself with everybody um walking away and I'm the only one left 27 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:20,160 on the commission. I just started the commission so I'm not really, you know, 28 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:26,000 aware of everything that is going on or should be going on. Um, so how are we 29 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:33,360 going to address that and get to the point where we have five members on that 30 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:36,239 committee? Again, how does that work? >> As I mentioned at the start, this is 31 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:41,440 going to be a one-way discussion for you to convey your concerns. uh if the city 32 00:02:39,519 --> 00:02:45,680 manager has something to say later on, he may weigh in on that, but there's no 33 00:02:43,519 --> 00:02:50,720 discussion going to take place with regard to that concern at this point. 34 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:52,720 » Okay. Um so then you can't answer whether or not that property has been 35 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:58,560 sold. >> The council the council cannot do that. 36 00:02:54,959 --> 00:03:04,239 As I said, the city manager may discuss plans to replace the missing uh members 37 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:09,760 at a later point in this meeting. >> Okay. Tonight 38 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:13,879 » if he has something to add. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you'all. 39 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,879 » You bet. 40 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:28,800 » Hello. My name is Julie Lynn Gibbons. I'm a resident. 41 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:34,560 Um earlier today, I sent you an email in regard to the city's flock contract. 42 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:39,360 I understand that [clears throat] it's coming up in the renewal for renewal in 43 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:43,040 the coming months. Um, and I just want to highlight a couple things from my 44 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:48,640 email. The ACLU has determined that that less 45 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:54,400 than 1% of all vehicles scanned by Flock are involved in crimes. Automatic 46 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:58,080 license plate readers, ALPRs, have been deemed a violation of privacy and an 47 00:03:56,239 --> 00:04:02,239 opportunity for those who use them to abuse their power. 48 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,680 There are also real concerns that ALPRs violate the fourth amendment of our 49 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:09,920 constitution. Multiple communities across Metro 50 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:15,680 Detroit are cancelling their ALPR contacts because of these very issues. I 51 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:21,199 would urge that South Lion you do your diligence in researching this issue, why 52 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:26,560 it matters, why so many people are upset about these contracts 53 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:30,160 and cancel it or at the very least do not renew it when it comes up in 54 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:34,160 October. I have also submitted for your consideration 55 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:39,919 resolution language that would require the city to put in place safeguards 56 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:45,440 before undertaking any future ALPR contracts with any vendor. I don't 57 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:53,199 believe that there's any reason or need for us to have a mass surveillance state 58 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:59,440 and I think we need to consider the desires of our residents above desires 59 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:05,639 for what could be um in terms of safety. Thank you. 60 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,639 » Thank you very much. 61 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,479 Hi there. Uh my name is Vanessa Torres. I uh am also a resident. I'm here to 62 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:23,840 speak on the same issue that Julie Lynn was up here for. Um, I actually did not 63 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:30,639 realize that South Lion had a flock contract until uh the Oakland County 64 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:34,800 Commissioners started to uh speak about or started to consider the uh flock 65 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:39,199 drone uh contracts and started to look into that more and realized of course 66 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:44,000 that there was one in place. Um I can't disclose who I work for but I work in IT 67 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:51,280 have worked in IT for a long time. um it and just tech marketing and um the uh 68 00:05:48,479 --> 00:05:56,479 the model in my opinion that Flock and a lot of other companies that are similar 69 00:05:52,720 --> 00:06:01,280 in sort of um offering this kind of technology to anyone and everyone who 70 00:05:59,039 --> 00:06:05,759 might be willing sometimes at a better rate than you might be able to get 71 00:06:02,479 --> 00:06:10,160 otherwise. Um, we talk in marketing about if uh if the product is free, and 72 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:14,960 in this case the product is discounted, you're you're the product. Um, and the 73 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:18,720 data that they're sucking up by testing this out on our streets is uh is really 74 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:25,759 what we're giving them for free in exchange for our lack of privacy rights. 75 00:06:22,479 --> 00:06:30,800 Uh, I would urge you again in October um to not renew that contract. and whether 76 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:35,840 it's through the proposal that that was just uh provided I guess by email or 77 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:41,600 some other means uh start to get ahead of um these types of uh technologies and 78 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,840 put something down that the city can have a policy to follow when the next 79 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:49,360 thing that's not flock but kind of flock comes into play. So, thank you very 80 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:52,240 much. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. 81 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,680 » Point of order, Mr. Mayor. >> Council member Curtzwell. 82 00:06:53,759 --> 00:07:00,080 » Thank you. Uh the two individuals that provided uh public comment did not 83 00:06:57,919 --> 00:07:04,400 provide their addresses. Could we have those on the record? 84 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:10,360 » We actually don't have to provide addresses. 85 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,360 » Okay. 86 00:07:15,039 --> 00:07:21,520 At this point, we'll close public comment and move on to approval of 87 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:26,160 tonight's consent agenda. And on tonight's consent agenda, we have 88 00:07:23,919 --> 00:07:30,639 u a resignation from housing commissioner Linda Benson and a 89 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:37,720 resignation from housing commissioner Steven Syler, as well as some additional 90 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,720 soft road closures for Pumpkinfest. 91 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,240 Council member Popa, 92 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,840 » do you want me to go individually? >> Motion to approve the consent agenda. 93 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,400 Motion to approve the consent agenda. >> I'll support. 94 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:59,120 » Motion has a second. Any further discussion on the consent agenda? 95 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,960 All those in favor, please say I. >> I. 96 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:05,919 » Opposed. >> Thank you. Move on to discussion of 97 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:11,120 downtown and uh tonight we'll have the city manager address this topic. 98 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:17,840 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um had a meeting with uh former DDA director Kim Rivera. 99 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:23,360 um she did leave us a list of what's uh needs to be attended to um contacts um 100 00:08:21,599 --> 00:08:27,520 and things that we did need moving forward so we're all on the same page. 101 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:33,440 So the transition will hopefully be as seamless as possible. Good news is we 102 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:39,599 now have 12 uh applications uh for the DDA uh director's position and we will 103 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:44,880 we've already discussed about having a committee together. So once we once uh 104 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:49,040 we're done with the uh the the date is uh September 8th is the last day of for 105 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,640 them to get their application is once that once we hit September 9th we'll go 106 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:57,920 ahead and start looking at them weening through them and uh start the process uh 107 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:02,640 for hiring and that's what I've got so far. 108 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:07,360 » Very well. Do we have any questions regarding the downtown discussion this 109 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:11,920 evening? Council member Bogurt, 110 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:17,279 » is the uh Thursday after hours event going to happen next week 111 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:20,720 » or this week? Actually, >> is it if it's still scheduled then yes, 112 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:26,320 we're going to we're planning on having that. Um nothing's changed as far as 113 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:30,320 that goes. We just want to make sure that once and if there's any issues. Kim 114 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:35,200 always said that we'll just go ahead and give her a call and she'll help out. Um 115 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:38,560 but um nothing as far as when you when you see your um your reports that 116 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:40,320 they'll be the same and I'll let you know if there's any changes on it. Thank 117 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,279 you. >> Y 118 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:50,959 » thank you very much. This point we'll go to the fire chief's report with Chief 119 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:55,279 Conrad this evening. >> Good evening Mr. Mayor. Council, I'm 120 00:09:53,200 --> 00:10:01,360 going to start out by reporting our numbers since last council meeting. 121 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:07,519 We're at 98 calls for the year so far. uh 50 incidents since last council 122 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:12,399 meeting. We had 38 EMS calls, six public service, one vehicle fire, which I'm 123 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:17,279 sure everybody's seen on Facebook. Uh one hazardous condition, and four false 124 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:21,760 alarms. [clears throat and cough] Uh we had our state EMS inspection this 125 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:25,600 morning with zero deficiencies. And the second phase of our cement got 126 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:31,200 finished this morning and we'll be able to drive on it in five days and it's 127 00:10:27,839 --> 00:10:37,519 looking beautiful. Uh Mac Concrete demolition was amazing. They stayed on 128 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:40,959 on schedule and the the work looks great. 129 00:10:40,079 --> 00:10:44,880 » That's it. >> Okay. Any questions for Chief Conrad 130 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:48,560 this evening? Council member Squires. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I was just going 131 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:53,200 to comment that I did drive past the fire department the other day and what 132 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:56,160 an improvement that concrete >> y 133 00:10:53,760 --> 00:11:02,320 » you I didn't really realize how bad it looked until I saw it nice and smooth. 134 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:05,360 So, just thank you for heading that up. >> Thank you. And I like that there was 135 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,399 minimal disruption to the road. I know there was concerns from from residents 136 00:11:06,959 --> 00:11:13,920 that the road would be closed, >> but these guys did a fantastic job 137 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:17,839 getting in, getting out. >> Council member Curtzwell, 138 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:23,279 » I want to thank you for the incredible response to the uh fire. 139 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:31,200 » Um I I saw it on Saturday. It was about 20 after 4 and um you know 9M and 140 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:35,600 Pontiac Trail which has always been an issue with this construction was so 141 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:39,279 backed up you couldn't move. I mean it was um I think by the time you probably 142 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:43,040 got there you probably saw the congestion. Yeah. 143 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:48,160 » Um it was it was almost out of control and needed uh first responders in just 144 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,200 to get the traffic under control because I think at that time people didn't know 145 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,399 whether there was going to be a further explosion. I mean, that's what I think 146 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:58,240 people were concerned about, right? >> So, I just want to say thank you. The 147 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:02,880 fire department instilled so much confidence um in the people. Uh I know 148 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:07,760 people that were there and they said it was incredible the job. Uh you could see 149 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:12,480 the black tower. It was unbelievable the smoke. So, you did a great job, great 150 00:12:10,079 --> 00:12:15,120 response, and it's clear that, you know, you're just dealing with a very 151 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:19,320 professional department. So, thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate that. 152 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,320 » Thanks. 153 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:27,240 » Very well. Thank you very much, Chief. Move on to the police chief's report 154 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:27,240 this evening with Chief Enrew. 155 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:37,680 » Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council. So, this past Thursday, you may have seen a 156 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:44,160 uh extraordinary amount of police cars in downtown South Lion. Uh that was due 157 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:48,880 to us receiving a anonymous tip that there was going to be a teen takeover 158 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:54,320 regarding ebikes at the South Lion uh cycle shop. 159 00:12:51,279 --> 00:12:59,200 Fortunately, um the takeover did not occur. We believe part of it was there 160 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:05,600 was a post on Facebook uh saying that there was extra police patrols downtown. 161 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:11,200 I'm happy to report that our ebike uh has uh 220 miles on it. So, it's getting 162 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:16,959 used and that's not counting the mountain bike that we also have uh that 163 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,600 the officers are riding. So, it was a good purchase. is getting 164 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,600 used and we're getting a lot of compliments. 165 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:28,160 » Any questions for Chief Andrew? Council member Bogart. 166 00:13:26,079 --> 00:13:33,440 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just wanted to say that I hadn't been on the bike trail 167 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:37,120 for a while, so I was there last week and saw the new signage and it looks 168 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:44,000 great. The instructions are really clear as to who can be on the trail and who 169 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:48,240 can't and what the limits are. >> Council member Kurtzwell. 170 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:54,240 » Thank you. Uh, several points. Uh number one, I just want to let you know that I 171 00:13:50,880 --> 00:14:00,480 have received um a lot of positive feedback about the uh flock policy 172 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:05,839 that's on the police website and uh people are just absolutely amazed that 173 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:10,160 our uh city has gone forward and have have been very very proactive with our 174 00:14:08,079 --> 00:14:14,480 policy. So, I want to let you know and these were people that were um sitting 175 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:19,120 on the fence kind of anti-flock people and once they read the policy they they 176 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:23,600 said, "Okay, I get it." So, um I just want to thank you for that because it's 177 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:28,240 being extremely extremely well received. Um, additionally, there are residents in 178 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:31,680 the city that have contacted me and and said that uh they are definitely in 179 00:14:29,839 --> 00:14:35,199 favor of, you know, so I know there's two sides to every argument. So, we have 180 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:39,839 to balance, you know, uh this argument versus that argument. But um I haven't 181 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:46,079 seen from the US Supreme Court yet where uh a flack camera has been um denied or 182 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:49,040 ruled um against the Fourth Amendment. I think that's an argument that they make, 183 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:52,880 but I haven't seen actually seen the case law on it. In fact, Michigan 184 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:57,360 actually has a court case that um doesn't question the use of the flax 185 00:14:55,279 --> 00:15:01,360 system in terms of the camera being present. It's how the data is being 186 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:05,440 used. And I think you are addressing the court cases uh with respect to how the 187 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:08,720 data is being used. And I think once people see that, they understand that. 188 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:12,959 So, I want to thank you for your incredible um attention to those details 189 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,800 because that means a lot to this community. I think that's why we're 190 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:20,399 safe. Um one of the reasons um funding the police is why we're a safe 191 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:26,480 community. Speaking of funding the police, um I also heard um about the 192 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:31,120 situation uh downtown with the um uh teen takeover. And that's the difference 193 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,920 maybe between South Lion, who funds the police and provides our police 194 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:39,279 department with as many tools as possible, and cities like maybe Detroit 195 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:45,839 or other cities, LA, where the teen takeovers have uh not only um disrupted 196 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:50,240 business, but they have uh destroyed property. They've gone in and ravaged 197 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,320 and stolen. And [clears throat] um basically um from what I understand, 198 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:58,959 three businesses in Detroit will be closing uh because the police department 199 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:02,560 was not responsive. So we have a choice in the city. Uh we either fund our 200 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:06,959 police and give them the tools that they need to keep this a safe comm community 201 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:10,560 so that our business can continue to operate, not have their windows broken 202 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:14,560 and their merchandise stolen out of their businesses. Or we can end up like 203 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:18,240 Detroit and have the businesses leave. So we have a choice. And I think the 204 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:22,000 residents in the city, I know what side they're going to stand on when it comes 205 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:25,440 to that choice. The last point, I was in Wixom 206 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:31,920 today. I do a lot of traveling. I talked to a lot of people. And um what did I 207 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:35,839 see? I saw uh uh the new thing that's probably coming to South Line. Just 208 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:41,920 wanted to put you on notice. And that notice is is it was a unicycle 209 00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:46,720 that was motorized. The kid was not pedaling. Basically was not using his 210 00:16:44,079 --> 00:16:50,959 own power. He was weaving in and out of traffic and it was on Pontiac Trail in 211 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:57,839 Old Wixom Road. He was literally in the street, had no helmet and uh he was 212 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:02,560 racing. So be aware the unicycles are coming 213 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:05,600 » today. Thank Thank you, council member. Anyone else? 214 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:12,400 » Council member Dog. >> Thank you. Um, I know we discussed the 215 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:17,439 flat cameras uh last week and I did um look at the transparency on the website. 216 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:22,319 I was just wondering is it is it accurate that it is uh that we're up for 217 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:27,039 renewal in October and will that come in front of us or is it a 218 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:31,640 » So that would probably be more for the city manager to answer. Um, 219 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:38,000 » I'll have to I'll look at the uh terms of the expiration of the contract and uh 220 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,720 I can get back with you on it. >> Okay. Thank you so much. That's all. 221 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:47,679 » Thanks. [clears throat] >> Thank you, Council Member Dill. 222 00:17:43,679 --> 00:17:52,080 So, the um in regard to the email that was sent to the city uh made mention of 223 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:57,520 55 communities that have stopped using the 224 00:17:54,080 --> 00:18:03,600 flock cameras. That's out of 6 to 7,000 that use them. across the country. 225 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:08,400 » So that's less than 1%. Just sharing the data. Council member Curtzwell. 226 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:15,200 » Thank you. Um it's my understanding I have a friend that works in IT um and um 227 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:19,120 has followed the uh Flax systems and her and I were talking I think about two 228 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:23,520 weeks ago. She said that Flock was getting ready to make an announcement 229 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:29,520 that um and she was clearly in favor of it um uh of reducing the data hold time 230 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:32,720 from 30 days to 7 days. Are you aware of that? 231 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:38,160 » I am aware of that and there is a meeting coming up this week um that I 232 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:42,799 have uh an online um webinar um so that I can learn more 233 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,320 about that. >> Yeah, that's what she thought too. She I 234 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:50,240 mean she's in favor of it. uh she said she likes the reduction of time. She 235 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,559 thought that was very reasonable. So I just wanted to verify with you. Okay. 236 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,039 Thank you. >> Yes. 237 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:59,039 » Thank you, council member. Council member Popa. 238 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:04,960 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um so I would point out with the what we're hearing 239 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:09,760 about the possible reduction in time of holding the data. 240 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:13,440 Say there was an investigation and that data had to go back and be retrieved. 241 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:17,919 Would that still be do you know if that would still be available or is it only 242 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:22,640 available for 7 days >> unless from what I've read unless you 243 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:26,720 know that you have an investigation you need to save data you could tell them 244 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:31,440 like I need to save this seven days. >> Okay. So, 245 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:34,240 » but somebody's not always found missing >> right 246 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,840 » within seven days where you need to go back and look. That's that was the 247 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:42,720 thought I had and now that we're discussing it, I just wanted it to be on 248 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:47,120 record to voice that thought. If there was an emergency or a reason for the 249 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:53,120 data to be retrieved for a missing whomever, be it child, endangered adult, 250 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:57,600 etc. My concern would be that the data wouldn't be available. That that's just 251 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:00,799 my thought. Certainly, we we don't know what we don't know. So, I guess we don't 252 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:04,720 need to get into the in-depth discussion, but maybe that's something 253 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:10,559 to just keep in mind, which I'm sure you've already thought of. Um, so, 254 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:14,960 » so I do recognize that there are some scary things about these license plate 255 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,880 readers, but I've done everything, including put up a transparency portal 256 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:24,720 on our website >> to show what we're searching, who we're 257 00:20:21,919 --> 00:20:28,480 sharing with, who's sharing with us. >> Yep. And you know certainly there's been 258 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:33,360 a lot of reports around the country about misuse. Now in South Lion I do 259 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:38,799 have um like I said last week administrative sergeant who's doing 260 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:45,200 audits and everybody that runs somebody on uh the flock has to write a police 261 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:49,039 report. It's not just uh I I feel like running something. You have to document 262 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:53,440 why you ran it. You have to put it the description in. And if you look on the 263 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:58,799 transparency portal, it does list the reasons why plates are being searched. 264 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:03,679 » Okay. Now, can I go one step further with with regards to that since it's the 265 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:07,679 topic? If if there was a report made by one of 266 00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:15,039 our officers, okay, fine. Now, it's logged and everything. Could someone 267 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:19,840 from another city access that plate? Do you know what I'm saying? like for the 268 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:24,480 the chatter out there is that it's it's potentially being misused or has the 269 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:30,159 potential to be misused. So, could someone from a different municipality 270 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:33,360 access someone's plate in South Lion or is it just South Lion that can access 271 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:38,720 that or do we even know? >> They would have to know the plate prior 272 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,559 to accessing the South Lion and in our policy. 273 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,799 » But then that's all part of the policy. It's all part of the policy that they 274 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,520 have to >> okay 275 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:49,280 » have the same safeguards that we do and certainly we have a discipline policy 276 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,480 just like with the law enforcement information 277 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:57,280 » if you violate that I mean there's discipline up to termination same with 278 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:01,039 the flock camera usage. >> Okay. 279 00:21:57,919 --> 00:22:04,400 » I mean I public trust is just so important in law enforcement. 280 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,960 » Absolutely. And I mean this this cell phone here knows more about me and my 281 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:13,360 family than uh I think a camera would. But thank you very much, 282 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,720 » Council Member Kurtzwell. >> Just two more issues on that. I just 283 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:21,440 want to make sure people understand because there's a lot of misinformation 284 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:26,400 by the antilack people. Um they don't quite get their facts straight. Maybe 285 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:30,480 other cities do. But in South Lion, our policy, we do not share with the federal 286 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:32,720 government. Is that correct? >> That's correct. 287 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:36,400 » Okay. That that's an important fact because there's a lot of people out 288 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,480 there that uh don't get that information correct. 289 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:44,000 um or maybe they do understand it and they deliberately pass out that 290 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:48,240 misinformation, but I just want to make sure um everybody understands. We don't 291 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:53,120 share with the federal government. Um that includes ICE. Correct. 292 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,760 » Correct. We have uh on our website for the transparency portal who we share 293 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,200 with. >> I know, but there's people that don't 294 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:03,440 read the portal, don't read the policy, and they go out there with their agenda 295 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:07,520 » and uh think they know it all and they don't read South Lion's policy. And so, 296 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:13,200 you know, that's where the misinformation comes from. The second 297 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:17,679 question is, is um information that is on the flax system foyable? 298 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:24,480 » It can be. >> Okay. So, if I fill out a FOYA and I 299 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:28,799 want to look at it, um you do you have a process in place for people if they want 300 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:32,480 to foyer that information? It's my understanding you can only foyer what 301 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:39,360 you think belongs to you. You can't foyer somebody else's um license plate. 302 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:46,559 » Um there's certain information you could get um off of it, but unless they have 303 00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:48,960 the ability to run lean, they just having a license plate number would not 304 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,720 give you >> That's what I thought. You can't just go 305 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,799 and say >> unless they Yeah. I don't know what 306 00:23:52,559 --> 00:24:00,640 Secretary of State would give you. I've never gone there to ask them to run a 307 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:04,400 plate as a private citizen. >> Okay. Okay. But just like with lean, 308 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:09,919 there there is an audit trail. When you run someone's plate, when you run a 309 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:14,159 person, you know, it's it's not an anonymous thing. And yes, law 310 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:19,120 enforcement officers have been getting in trouble and disciplined and 311 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:24,159 terminated. You know, I've been police officers since 1990, and 312 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:29,360 they have you used lean wrong, and they have 313 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,720 gotten in trouble for it. So, this isn't anything new. 314 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:37,919 Well, just just to put it on the record for me, if the flax system is is being 315 00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:43,520 abused and not used properly according to the policy, I I would not be in favor 316 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:47,919 of continuing the flax system. As long as the policy is followed and there's no 317 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:52,159 abuse in it, then I don't have a problem with it in here. I mean, 318 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:57,120 » yeah. And our officers know that we do audits and you know, certainly if 319 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:03,120 they're misusing it, it would come up in an audit. I mean, you can't walk into a 320 00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:08,080 Meyers or a bank or a doughnut shop or a grocery store or a gas station and have 321 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,400 a digital exposure of your face. You're being you're being filmed wherever you 322 00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:16,799 go. This is a license plate. >> I don't get it. 323 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:22,960 » And pretty soon, um, coming this week, every officer will be getting a body 324 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:30,880 worn camera. So, we will be everything we do is going to be on camera. 325 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:35,000 » Good for you. support that. Okay. >> Very well. Thank you very much, Chief. 326 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:42,720 » Tonight, we have an update from uh our water and wastewater superintendent, Mr. 327 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:48,400 Ron Bon, regarding the equipment issues the city has been experiencing. 328 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:53,279 » Good evening, council, Mr. Mayor. Um I do have uh a couple of ongoing issues 329 00:25:51,360 --> 00:26:01,679 that I would like to brief the council on tonight. Um, something new here is 330 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:07,520 the uh well number six. On Wednesday, August 19th, I received a call from 331 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:12,240 Michigan Seamless Tube MST uh stating that they did not have the 332 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:17,520 water flow or pressure to sustain current operations. 333 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:24,640 So, I immediately uh went to well six, which is an offset well. It was drilled 334 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:33,120 in 2011. Uh it's located in Mcatty Park and feeds the uh MST or supplies MST 335 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:37,840 with untreated water for their process. Uh after arriving at well six uh I 336 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:46,559 noticed that uh it was only producing approximately 240 gallons per minute at 337 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:54,480 60 hertz and at 28 PSI. Um it is rated at 1,200 gallons per minute at 60 hertz 338 00:26:49,520 --> 00:27:01,840 at 60 psi. So the well is failing. Um this uh inadequate supply of water uh 339 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:07,279 does not meet MST's demands and uh requires immediate attention. 340 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:13,200 Currently MST is temporarily connected to a hydrant located in the northwest 341 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:18,080 corner of their property uh which is supplying the plant with treated water 342 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,840 through a 4 in uh hose running through the plant. 343 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:26,240 I've contacted Peerless. They are scheduled Peerless Midwest. They're well 344 00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:32,400 drillers. Uh they maintain our wells and pumps. uh and they are scheduled to be 345 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:38,640 on site tomorrow um August 25th to pull the pump and start the cleaning process. 346 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,960 The pump replacement and cleaning is scheduled uh to be completed within two 347 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:48,640 and a half weeks at a cost of approximately $60,000. 348 00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:54,720 Right now, uh the team of operators continue to uh closely monitor uh our 349 00:27:52,080 --> 00:28:04,200 water system to ensure that all the water demands are being met. 350 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,200 Any questions on that issue? I have 351 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:11,360 » council member Bogurt. >> Um do we have reserve capacity on on the 352 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:17,440 other wells? the reserve capacity, the capacity is 353 00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:22,480 coming from our um ground storage tank, okay? Which 354 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:30,159 » is 600,000 gallons. So MST uses approximately 300,000 gallons a day. Uh 355 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:37,279 upwards of 300 gallons per minute at times. Um they recirculate a lot of uh 356 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:40,320 of their water now. So, um, we are maintaining right now with the 357 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:45,679 600,000galon tank. >> So, it's kind of a double whammy with 358 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:49,679 our milliongalon tank being offline. >> Absolutely. 359 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:55,120 » Okay. Thank you. >> And they've scaled back operations to uh 360 00:28:52,880 --> 00:29:01,200 » they have scaled. Yes. Yep. They have scaled back operations and uh they know 361 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:04,960 the the peak demands that the city has and they're working around those 362 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:09,760 demands. So, uh, they're not filling their tanks, um, or filling their 363 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:13,520 recirculation system. >> And you may have this in the second part 364 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:19,679 of your presentation, but this emphasizes the need to adhere to the odd 365 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:24,799 even lawn irrigation request notice that went out back in mid July. And that's 366 00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:28,880 part of the reason for it is to keep that level at an acceptable level in the 367 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:32,799 ground storage tank so that we can satisfy the needs of not only the 368 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:36,799 residents but now MST at this particular point. Correct. 369 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:40,799 » Until the well is repaired uh andor the repair is made on the U ground storage 370 00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:44,200 tank. Is that correct? >> That is correct. 371 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:52,880 » Council member Curtzwell. Well, uh, what is your theory as to 372 00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:56,559 what happened here? >> Do you have a theory? 373 00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:02,080 » I do have a theory. Um, I can give you some background if you'd like. Uh, well 374 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:09,520 number six was previously well number three back in 2011. It was drilled just 375 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:16,080 outside uh the existing well three. Um, that was in 2011. They rebuilt and 376 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:21,520 refurbished the pump and the motor from well three. Well three probably dates 377 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:28,880 back to the 60s and they put it in well number which is now well number six. So 378 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:36,640 as far as I can tell the pump and the motor have not been rebuilt or 379 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:41,840 rehabilitated. Now in 2019 that well was cleaned. It was cleaned with the well 380 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:46,080 and pump in place. So if that can be done and it's done in in situations like 381 00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:52,080 we have with the tube mill, they need constant water to feed their process. So 382 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:57,600 we had no way to uh actually turn that well off for a long period of time. 383 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,520 It doesn't do the greatest job, but at that point in time it did. It brought up 384 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:06,559 the levels and the the gallons per minute were uh back to their normal 385 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:12,559 1,200 gallons in 2019. 2022 386 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:20,080 um it was still pumping but we saw a decrease a 38% decrease in the 387 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:26,799 withdrawal. So the when the pump turns on the level of that um aquifer will 388 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:33,520 drop and we saw that drop 38%. That's an indication of uh that well screen or 389 00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:39,840 well um needing to be cleaned. the screen probably is getting plugged. 390 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:46,320 It's It's unusual. We us Peerless Midwest does all of our um preventative 391 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:52,000 maintenance uh and flow testing. We have it done every year on all of our pumps. 392 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:59,519 That's five uh high ser or five low service, four high service, and four 393 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:07,039 wells. Uh that including um well number six. Well, number six because it needs 394 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:13,760 to uh to supply the water to the tube mill is not done every year. 395 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:22,240 They don't have a secondary uh supply of water at this point. So, in order to 396 00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:26,000 clean that well effectively and uh we have to come up with a secondary um 397 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:31,120 water supply and that's what they did in this case. It was an emergency. They uh 398 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:38,240 hooked up to a hydrant. They uh rented some uh piping and they bought a uh 399 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:44,880 backflow pre all in place. And we did that within uh it happened on Wednesday. 400 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:49,200 We are ready to go Friday. Uh initially we were not going to switch them over 401 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:54,399 till Monday. Uh we had a fault at the well on Saturday. Uh they were ready to 402 00:32:52,399 --> 00:33:00,399 go. So at that point I said let's just do it. and we've been uh running uh with 403 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:03,399 them using our treated water since Saturday. 404 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:09,600 » So, they're using treated water now. >> They are using treated water. 405 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:13,760 » Uh you know what my next question is? Are they being built for treated water? 406 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:18,159 » They they uh not at this point. Right now, I'm focusing on let's get these 407 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:22,399 guys uh yeah, let's get our well back in. Let's get it running and then we'll 408 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:27,279 have that discussion at a later date. >> That's a lot of treated water. It is a 409 00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:33,600 lot of treated water. They they do uh they get build for untreated water right 410 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:39,279 now, but um yeah, let's let's focus on on um getting that well rebuilt and and 411 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,440 back up and running. >> Well, does the treated water affect 412 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:47,519 their chemical processes over there? >> Yeah, apparently not. [laughter] 413 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,559 » Okay. Because you sure don't want that liability coming back on the city 414 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:54,799 because you're now providing >> They're aware of that. they're aware of 415 00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:59,679 the treatment that we do and uh >> yeah 416 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:05,519 they at this point we don't have a choice so it's it's treated water 417 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:10,399 » one of the things that I heard uh in discussions with the city manager is 418 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:14,000 you're once the um the pump is replaced the new pump is down the hole the 419 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,560 casing's been cleaned out and the rest of that we're going to look at uh 420 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:23,040 something longterm as far as providing that secondary connection so that we can 421 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,480 maintain a more rigorous preventive maintenance schedule for this thing 422 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,599 going forward. >> That's correct. There's been there's 423 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:34,399 been talk between the city and uh MST for years now and yes I think this is 424 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:40,079 the what they needed a little eye openener we can get that secondary uh 425 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:45,599 supply line um where we won't have to worry about uh 426 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:50,000 » at least this portion of it anyway. Okay. Any other questions for water 427 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,919 wastewater superintendent? Council member Hansen. 428 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:59,280 » Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, so the cleaning of the pump and and getting 429 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,960 it fixed up, that should fix the issue. There's there's no chance that maybe the 430 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,119 well is need to be redrilled or anything like that. 431 00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:10,880 » No, the aquifer seems to be I mean, we have well seven within 200 feet and then 432 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:15,839 well eight is within another 250 ft. So, the aquafer Yes, it's I don't think it's 433 00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:24,320 a issue with that. I think it's an issue with actually um the screen probably is 434 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:31,200 plugged. Um just that pump runs 24/7 365 days a year. It never shuts off. Uh it's 435 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:36,560 on a VFD which allows it to uh ramp up and ramp down according to the flow or 436 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,040 the PSI they need. But that pump never shuts off. So, 437 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:44,160 » okay, >> it's time it's time to Yeah. to rebuild 438 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:48,480 that pump, get it a good cleaning, and put get it back in service. 439 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,000 » Yeah, I definitely like the idea of having a conversation, especially with 440 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,760 MST, to see if we can coordinate with them as far as giving the pump that 441 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,720 needed maintenance like you were describing. So, yeah, 442 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,400 » it's in the works. >> No. Great. Thank you, Council Member 443 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,000 Squires. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Ron, I'd like to 444 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,839 see you come here with some good news. Um, [laughter] 445 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:18,400 » sorry. too. >> Do you think cutting the watering to odd 446 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:23,920 even days is going is enough to keep us >> right right now? Yes. Mother nature's 447 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:29,920 been nice to to us. I know the rain helps tremendously. So, just the rain 448 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:34,320 that we had um we saw a drop in demand and and probably will for next couple of 449 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:40,240 days. The cool weather, the cool nights, it all all contributes to that. um 450 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:43,440 lowering that demand of water. So, I know it's supposed to rain again 451 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:48,160 Wednesday. Just keep our fingers crossed that, you know, we need at least two 452 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:55,240 weeks, two and a half weeks to get this thing uh up and running again. 453 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,240 » Thank you. 454 00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:02,240 » Very good. Anything else uh tonight? >> Well, if you want some more bad news. 455 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:06,960 » Sure. We're up for it. Uh preload has completed their 456 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:12,400 inspection and assessment of the 1 million gallon tank. Uh it took three 457 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:17,440 days. Uh they did go inside and did inspection and uh they did the outside 458 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:22,079 inspection. So their preliminary findings are as 459 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:28,320 follows. They found corroded and/or missing 460 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:35,760 pieces of the pre-stressed wire. And that begins at the pyaster with the 461 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:42,640 vertical crack and it moves um to the left to the next pile. So that's 462 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:46,960 25 ft. That's a huge area. Mhm. >> Um so they do these test little bores 463 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:53,040 inside and they notice that the corrosion is from one end to the other 464 00:37:49,920 --> 00:38:03,200 to between those pillisters about 25 ft. So um obviously that's not good news. Um 465 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:06,960 they also uh going to the east from that pillister with the vertical crack to the 466 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:13,680 next pillister. They also noticed corrosion on the top four feet. um 467 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:18,320 all the way to that next pillar pillister. So that's uh 25 ft going to 468 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:27,680 the east. [clears throat] Um they also inside they they inspected 469 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:31,760 the inside and um they found a crack uh between the two. I I know we had 470 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:37,280 pictures of the cracks that looked like they were filled, but there was another 471 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:42,240 one uh in between those two. And that lines up pretty much where the water was 472 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:50,320 leaking out of the side of the ground storage tank. So we we think we found 473 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:59,599 the leak. Uh the root cause um obviously those pre pre-tress prestressed wire 474 00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:03,680 cables not uh being uh or being corroded um 475 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:09,680 basically caused a zipper effect. it looks like on that one side where it's 476 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:15,760 just starting to open up. Um that being said, there's always a fix 477 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:21,280 and that's what these guys do. Uh I have confidence that uh the the engineers 478 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:28,480 that were out, structural engineers will come back with a plan that will satisfy 479 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:32,960 hopefully all of us. Um obviously we don't want to make this mistake again. 480 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:39,240 Uh, we want this thing to last, you know, until I retire 481 00:39:35,712 --> 00:39:39,240 [laughter] at least, 482 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,972 20 years or more. [laughter] 483 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:52,079 Yeah, that that's all I have from them. I I hope to hear from them next week. Uh 484 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:56,400 once I hear from them, uh we'll sit down. We'll have to have this discussion 485 00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:03,200 uh amongst all of us. We want to make sure we make that decision, an educated 486 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:06,560 decision that uh will last for for a long period of time. 487 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:11,280 » Well, we certainly appreciate you keeping uh close tabs on it, Brown. It's 488 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:16,160 uh really obviously disconcerting. 489 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:21,359 So, we'll see what the the experts have as far as potential repair options. 490 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,400 » Yep. We'll know soon. Council member Hansen, 491 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:30,320 » just just a quick followup in regards to that uh news. Um have have they given 492 00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:33,599 you any inkling as far as if there is a repair option if it can be done during 493 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:39,200 the winter months? That's >> there are repair options. Um and uh it's 494 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:43,680 basically pre-stressing 495 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:51,599 at least that section >> and there are ways to do that. Um again 496 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:58,400 it'll be a discussion um that we'll have to and a decision we'll have to make on 497 00:40:54,320 --> 00:41:06,480 whether we want to repair it or some other option. Um but there is 498 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:12,960 there is a way to do it. So basically right now um we can't fill it with any 499 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:16,560 water. Um but he didn't condemn it which is very 500 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,200 good. So, >> okay. Thank you, 501 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,680 » Council Member Bogurt. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, was there any 502 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:29,359 um discussion of the possibility of 503 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:33,280 negligence on the previous maintenance work? 504 00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:41,839 » Again, uh my job is to focus on getting that back in service. Um that can be a 505 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:47,359 discussion later on um once uh the structural engineers come back with a 506 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:53,040 game plan. Um, and with the results of all their findings, then we can look at 507 00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:56,640 that. But I need to focus on on getting this tank in operational and well six 508 00:41:55,359 --> 00:42:00,720 operational. >> Understandable. Thank you, Council 509 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:05,839 Member Kurtzwell. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, a couple of 510 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:10,480 quick questions. Uh, you said that the second pillar piler. 511 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:11,520 » Yeah, the Highasters um 512 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,599 » about 25. >> Those are those columns on the outside. 513 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:19,200 Yeah, >> the 25 ft. Is there the same kind of 514 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:25,920 issue beginning to develop on that second one 515 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:32,000 » up up uh close to the uh uh close to the roof? Yes. So, the water has found its 516 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:38,240 least uh path of resistance and it's following these wires and it's corroding 517 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,760 them. And like I said, they they stopped uh at least on the main pillister with 518 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:49,200 the vertical crack. They they worked their way down um probably six feet and 519 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:54,640 they stopped at that point because um there was there was nothing left of half 520 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:58,640 of them. So uh the other side uh they're worried and 521 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:04,000 concerned obviously about any uh corrosion on those wires. Uh so they're 522 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:12,319 at least looking at the possibility of four feet from that uh roof point down. 523 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:15,359 Um like I said u they said it can be fixed but uh you 524 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:21,035 know >> how many of those pillisters are on it? 525 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,720 » Uh that's a good see one two I would say [clears throat] 526 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:30,480 eight maybe. >> Okay. So if this problem of corroding is 527 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:33,119 occurring because water is finding the least resistance and corroding 528 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,599 » yes >> that then why 529 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:43,040 take that take that fact >> and apply it to the other pillisters why 530 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:47,599 is it also occurring on that and it just hasn't surfaced yet 531 00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:53,920 » it is so what they do is they drill into the out gunite and they get to the core 532 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:58,079 they get to where those uh wires, pre-stress wires are. They've gone to 533 00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:03,680 the next pillister on the other side of that next pillister and they were like 534 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:08,880 brand new. They also did it on the uh east side going toward uh past that 535 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:14,079 other pillister. So they did test holes and from what they found, the evidence 536 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:20,160 that they have the corrosion isn't to that point yet. And he said they look 537 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:25,680 like new and that's they should. So we know where the area is. It's a large 538 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:34,319 area, but until I see uh a game plan from them or a plan uh to repair, uh we 539 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:40,640 won't know um anything else. I'm it'll be a report, a very extensive report. So 540 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:49,359 one more question is then when they went in and provided their initial diagnosis 541 00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:54,720 are were they looking at the problems that were caused due to prior repairs or 542 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:59,560 are these problems that have developed because of the initial design itself? 543 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:11,680 it it I I can't tell you that. I'm not an engineer, but I do know that uh um 544 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:17,040 » I don't think the initial uh structure I don't think that was the problem. I 545 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:22,079 don't think it was a design issue. Um it it looks as though that uh some of the 546 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:30,079 repairs failed. Um, I can tell you that, but other other 547 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:36,400 than I'm speculating whether that was uh uh the actual root cause or not, but I'm 548 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:42,319 sure it'll be in the report. >> So, were the repairs made that were 549 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:48,880 consistent with the initial design of the tank? 550 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:53,520 Are are you asking if it was something I can tell you preload did not have 551 00:45:50,960 --> 00:46:00,480 anything to do with the repairs if that's what you're asking who 552 00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:04,480 » so preload did not approve the possible repair and that okay 553 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,560 » I don't I don't believe so but uh >> yeah okay 554 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:13,040 » again let's uh let's get a plan of action let's get this thing fixed if 555 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:22,319 it's fixable and let's get it back in line and then let's we can worry about 556 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:23,440 uh um those things at a later date. >> Anyone else? 557 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,400 » I got you. >> Council member Squires, 558 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:31,697 » how do you refill a million gallon tank? >> Slowly. [laughter] 559 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:40,319 » We we fill it. Uh it'll probably be um >> Is it part of treated water? 560 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:44,640 » It is the treated water. So, it's not as simple as just filling that tank. 561 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:50,160 there's certain uh restrictions and certain guidelines that we have to take 562 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:56,720 in order to fill that tank and uh that's uh restrictions and guidelines by Eagle 563 00:46:53,200 --> 00:47:02,800 and how we fill it. Uh chlorination um and preload will also have I'm sure 564 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,760 uh >> directions 565 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:09,160 » directions on how to fill that after it's repaired. 566 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,240 » Thank you. Look forward to seeing the report, Ron. 567 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,720 » Thank you. >> Thank you very much. 568 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,720 » We have no unfinished business this evening, so we will move on to new 569 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:29,440 business. New business number one is the Lafayette 570 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:35,280 Park furniture, and the city manager will be handling this discussion. Thank 571 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:41,200 you, uh, Mr. Mr. Mayor, Council. This is the purchase of the remainder of the 572 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:45,839 furniture for Lafayette Park. Um the furniture order from GL account 573 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,760 101751978 capital improvements purchasing the 574 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:54,000 furniture directly with Omnia pricing assures the lowest price for 575 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:57,000 governmental entities in the amount of 36,466,95 576 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:07,200 landscape forms uh furniture who is the manufacturer 577 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:13,920 uh u of the furniture with the with the first Lafayette Park furniture order 578 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:17,040 approved on uh June 8th, 2026. So, this is the second phase of of the 579 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:24,079 purchasing the furniture quotes obtained. Um 580 00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:28,880 46,000 from City Contracting Services, 67,000 from Spartan Construction Group, 581 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:34,800 51,999 from Sor's Group, uh Sor's Gross Company 582 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:39,760 LLC. Attached are quotes from Lafayette Park 583 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:43,920 Furniture. uh bid tabulations from HRC which includes the the unit pricing of 584 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:47,760 the furniture. Again, we went with the uh directly to 585 00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:52,079 the manufacturer. So, there's actually four bids if you really want to look at 586 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:55,839 it. Um possible course of action to approve not approve the purchase of the 587 00:48:53,520 --> 00:49:01,640 Lafayette Park Furnace from GL account 101751-978 588 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:01,640 capital improvement. 589 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:11,359 » Council member Vogva. Motion to approve the purchase of 590 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:15,079 landscape forms quote 468039 total of 36,466.95 591 00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:20,599 from GL account 101-751-978 592 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,559 capital improvements >> support. 593 00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:31,599 » So a motion from council member Popa a second from council member Squires. Do 594 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:36,559 we have any questions or discussions regarding this purchase? 595 00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:40,920 » City clerk Deon, if you'll lead us in a roll call vote for this one, please. 596 00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:43,680 » Bogurt, >> yes. 597 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,960 » Dild, >> yes. 598 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,319 » Hansen, >> yes. 599 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,079 » Opa, >> yes. Hurts, 600 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,359 » yes. >> Squireers, 601 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,359 » yes. >> Kennedy, 602 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:57,839 » yes. Motion carries. Thank you, Doug. Uh, moving on to new 603 00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:01,839 business number two, award of the bid for the Cemetery Road project. 604 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,720 » Yeah, this is another one that was ongoing that we needed to get completed. 605 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,079 Um, on August 13th, 2026, the city opened bids for the Cemetery Road 606 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:16,520 reconstruction project. The city received a total of five bids ranging 607 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,520 from the highest bid of $688,352 608 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:25,839 to the lowest bid of $642,135. The lowest bid was submitted by Ashvalta 609 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:30,720 Specialists LLC out of Pontiac, Michigan. Um, 610 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:36,319 letters and supporting documents. The letter from uh our engineer HRC 611 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:42,160 outlining the recommendations for award of uh bid to the Asheville Specialist 612 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:47,119 LLC out of Pontiac and accompanied bid tabed information. I have say I have to 613 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,640 add a just in the agenda some other language um to approve or not approve 614 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,319 and what's not included on there which I'm going to add right now. Mr. Mayor, 615 00:50:52,000 --> 00:51:01,760 if you can help me with this. So approve or not approve uh the uh award the bid 616 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:05,760 and the contract in the package uh the bid package for the cemetery road 617 00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:08,760 reconstruction project in the amount of $642,135 618 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:17,400 to Ashvault Specialist LLC from the capital improvement fund. GL account 619 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,400 401451802.567. 620 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:28,040 So we just had to add that uh portion in so they can review the contract in the 621 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,040 package. 622 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:38,319 » Council member Curtzwell. >> I make a motion to approve the award of 623 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:43,839 the bid for the Cemetery Road construction project. um including the 624 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:50,880 bid in the bid project in the bid packet in the amount of uh 642135 625 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:55,920 to Asphalt Specialists LLC from the capital improvement fund GL account 626 00:51:52,960 --> 00:52:00,480 number 401451 802.67. 627 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:04,960 » Okay. So it should read a word of the bid and the contract in the bid package. 628 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,880 » Yeah. And the contract in the bid packet. 629 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,720 » I don't think you said contract. >> Oh. 630 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:13,440 So, we have a motion from council member Curtzwell. 631 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:19,079 » I'll support a second from council member Hansen. We have any further 632 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,079 discussion regarding this. 633 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,760 » City clerk Jay, if you'll lead us in a roll call vote for this one, please. 634 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,200 » Dil, >> yes. 635 00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:26,400 » Squireers, >> yes. 636 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,200 » Opa, >> yes. 637 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,480 » Yes. >> Yes. 638 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,920 » Hansen, >> yes. 639 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:36,040 » Kennedy, >> yes. Motion carries. 640 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:42,720 Moving on to new business number three. award the sidewalk replacement project. 641 00:52:42,376 --> 00:52:51,119 [clears throat] >> Good evening, council, Mr. Mayor. 642 00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:55,119 Uh we're revisiting sidewalks again. Uh let's see. 643 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:59,119 Explanation of topic would be the sidewalk replacement project is being uh 644 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:04,240 set up to replace any sidewalks that have been heave or misaligned due to 645 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:09,599 root systems of our city trees. Luigi Fernando and Sun Cement Company has was 646 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:13,920 awarded the contract for the last couple years and have done a wonderful job. The 647 00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:20,000 contractor will be directed in which areas uh to address by me and the plan 648 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:24,400 is to start in a subdivision and complete the area and move on to the 649 00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:28,800 next. Um the contractor will be removing and replacing this year 500 flags of 650 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:33,359 misaligned sidewalks that are creating trip hazards. Uh they als they they will 651 00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:38,079 also be removing and disposing of the tree roots that are causing the 652 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:43,680 problems. Um the contractor is also performing all restoration. 653 00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:47,440 Uh one thing I for edited out here is they are carrying over their pricing 654 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:51,520 from 2023. If you can see within the packet I have that note in there as 655 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:56,400 well. Um when they originally won the bid. Uh this job is we did budget for 656 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,559 for this year and it will be coming out of GL101-441.974. 657 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:07,839 Uh materials attached are as supporting documents are quotations from Luigi 658 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:14,720 Fernando and Sons and Concrete Construction Incorporated and Hartwell 659 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:19,280 Company. Uh the bids were from 2023. Like I said, they're holding the pricing 660 00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:24,000 from 2023. So I didn't go acquire other other bids at this point. Uh possible 661 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:29,760 course of action be award not award the sidewalk replacement project with Luigi 662 00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:35,119 Fernando and son um and contract 663 00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:38,119 that supplied by the city um for $149,875 664 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,280 $875 from GL account 101-441.974. 665 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:54,000 » Thank you Mr. Urgie. And the motion will read Mr. Mayor. Yes, 666 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:59,599 » I understand that there may be a contract already in place. So, just for 667 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:05,599 the benefit of council, >> um the motion should indicate either an 668 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:10,079 extension of the existing contract or a new contract as authorized by the city 669 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:14,800 manager so that we could negotiate terms. if in fact they don't want to 670 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:20,160 extend the original contract but at least um if your motion includes that 671 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:22,559 subject to a contract or an extension of the existing contract whichever is 672 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:29,520 applicable >> and the narrative we have is to uh the 673 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:34,160 motion to award to extend the existing award of the sidewalk replacement 674 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:40,800 project to Luigi Ferdinandi and Sun Cement Company for the cost of 149875 675 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:46,240 from GL101-441.97 74 pending review of the contract by the 676 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:52,880 city attorney. That's the motion that needs to be read. 677 00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:57,280 » You might have to repeat that. >> Council member Boer. 678 00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:03,440 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to make a a motion to award a contract or 679 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:08,640 extension of current contract for the sidewalk replacement project to Luigi 680 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:16,280 Ferdinandi and Sun Cement Company for the cost of $149,875 681 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,280 from GL101-441-974. 682 00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:24,640 » Pending review of the contract by the city attorney. 683 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:28,079 » Pending review by the cont of the contract by the city attorney. 684 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:31,760 » Also support. >> So we have a motion from council member 685 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:35,760 Bogurt, a second from council member Dill. Do we have any further discussion 686 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,640 regarding this? Council member Popa. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good to see you. 687 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:44,799 Welcome back. >> Thank you. Um, I do have a question. I'm 688 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:49,119 reading over this and with regards to when the cement is replaced and you're 689 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:54,799 removing the roots, the tree roots are being removed. 690 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:58,480 Say that's for a live tree and removing those roots are going to damage the 691 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:03,680 tree. What happens then? >> So, we we we go through this every year. 692 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:07,839 What we do is especially if they go through and they pull out massive roots 693 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:12,400 like you you kind of got to g gauge everyone case by case sometimes the 694 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:15,599 trees live. Most of the times the trees live. Let me rephrase that. Most of the 695 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,839 time times the trees live. If they come across trees that they they they come up 696 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,880 and say hey this is like the main main trunk. 697 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:26,559 » Unfortunately at that point we deem it as unsafe. We'll take the tree down 698 00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:30,960 replant another one. >> Okay. So it will be replanted. And if 699 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:34,480 this has been addressed previously, you know, please disregard, but this is the 700 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,599 first time I've had this conversation. So, thank you. 701 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,799 » It's it's it's an ongoing issue. We plant trees in the ement. They heat the 702 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,480 sidewalks. We we go through cut the roots. Um it's something we've been 703 00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,799 dealing with. I mean, I've been here for almost 19 years. 704 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:50,079 » It's not new >> and it's not unique to us. 705 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,240 Unfortunately, happens everywhere. But I just wanted to know that, you know, 706 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:58,400 there's something in place. Residents could reach out that that dialogue is 707 00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,280 taking place. Okay. I have had residents call me and they they'll send me photos 708 00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:05,040 of what was taken out. We'll go out assess the tree. I have my my arborist 709 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:09,440 come by. He takes a look at it and says, "Hey, I think we should take this or I 710 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,480 think we're going to be okay." Um he he's he's one that loves to save the 711 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:17,119 tree. So, he's not just trying to take the tree down. Um I do the same thing. I 712 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:20,160 look at it as I don't want it falling on something because we have in the past 713 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:26,559 where we've gone out and done a lot of this work. We've had trees go down a 714 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:29,599 year later. We just we kind of learning from experience, right? 715 00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:32,640 » Um kind of looking at the root system that's truly there. 716 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,599 » Obviously, if we've got massive roots going out in other directions and and we 717 00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:38,480 think it's going to be okay, we're we're going to try and keep the tree that's 718 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:42,079 there there, but if we think it's unsafe, we're going to take it down and 719 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,799 then plant. We we always we always plant another one. It may not be an exact 720 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:50,160 location because the tree root system already kind of taken up that area, but 721 00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:53,920 we do try to accommodate and and get one in that that green belt as well. 722 00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:57,839 » All right. Thank you. Council member Duke, 723 00:58:55,119 --> 00:59:01,119 » thank you. Um, if you do have to take the tree down, is that at the 724 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:04,720 homeowner's expense? No. >> Okay. 725 00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:07,680 » No. City, any city tree that is removed, unless the homeowner has made special 726 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:10,319 requests that they want the tree removed because it's either unsightly or they 727 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:14,720 don't like the tree, >> we take it down. 728 00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:18,640 » Okay. Thank you, >> Council Member Bogurt. 729 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,880 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, is grinding ever an option 730 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:29,040 » as far as grinding out some of the the the It is. Um, 731 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:34,559 a lot of I I've we've we've done that in-house. We get a ton of flack from 732 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:39,280 residents. They think it's a gross fix, temporary fix. A lot of times when we do 733 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:45,200 it, I've gone back on on where we grind it. Anything over two inches, you're not 734 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:48,720 grinding. We're replacing inch trips up to two and a half to three inch trips. 735 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:52,720 Right now, if you take anything over more than like an inch, inch and a half, 736 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:56,960 you're you're going to be back within usually a year to two to grind the same 737 00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:03,359 one. At that point, your sidewalk is compromised. Um I'm trying to 738 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:08,160 we we did do a lot of grinding down like Liberty and stuff like that and the the 739 01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:11,280 lesser trip areas. Yes, it is an option. >> Good to know. Thank you. 740 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:14,880 » Not a problem. >> One more thing. I have one more thing. 741 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,960 » Council member Dog. >> Thank you. Um I just wanted to say I'm 742 01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:23,760 really glad that these guys are holding um their price on the contract because I 743 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:28,960 have they were all over my neighborhood last year or two years ago and have done 744 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:35,440 an amazing job in there. Um everybody very polite and uh our sidewalks look so 745 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:39,839 much better. >> Okay, city clerk Deon. We have a motion 746 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:44,079 from council member Bogurt, a second from council member Dil. Please lead us 747 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,680 on a roll call vote for this if you would. 748 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,960 » Hurts, >> yes. 749 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,240 » Dil, >> yes. 750 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,520 » Squires, >> yes. 751 01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:50,880 » Ogre, >> yes. 752 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,160 » Hansen, >> yes. 753 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,520 » Opa, >> yes. 754 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:58,640 » Kennedy, >> yes. Motion carries. 755 01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:03,839 Moving on to new business number four, awards cemetery dirt pile removal to 756 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:09,119 Nicholas Contracting. Okay. So over over the years of 757 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:14,480 excavation of graves have has have resulted in significant accumulation of 758 01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:18,559 soil as only approximately half of excavated material is placed back into 759 01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:22,559 graves. The remaining spoils need to be removed from the cemetery. Uh the timing 760 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:26,720 of this work is important due to the upcoming paving project with the 761 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:30,559 cemetery. While the existing soil soil piles are not in the way of the paving 762 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,200 project, it is more practical to remove the material before the new roads are 763 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,960 paved. uh completing and hauling beforehand 764 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,400 will prevent heavy trucks and hauling equipment from damaging newly paved 765 01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:45,119 roads and will help protect the investment for the upcoming paving 766 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:51,200 project. Two companies submitted bids to load and haul the excess oil. Uh the the 767 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:56,079 cost was also evaluated at using DPW personnel to load the material with a 768 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:59,760 contractor providing only trucking. Based on the pricing and the and the 769 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:04,160 resources required, it is more efficient and more cost-effective to have um have 770 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,599 one contractor handle both the loading and hauling of the materials. This 771 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:11,839 approach will reduce the demand on the DPW staff and and equipment and allow 772 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,839 the material to be removed before the paving project is complete. Um 773 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:21,599 supporting materials attached would be the quotation from Nikolai contracting 774 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:25,000 rose excavating and the DPW loading with paid trucking. 775 01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:31,760 Possible course of action would be award or not award cemetery dirt removal 776 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:34,760 project to Nicolai Contracting for $19,4520 777 01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:39,400 from GL account line 202-972-0000. 778 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:49,680 » Council member Squires. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I motion to award 779 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:59,960 the cemetery dirt removal project to Nicholas's Contracting for $19,4520 780 01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:59,960 from GL account 202-972.0000 781 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:11,040 upon review and approval of contract by the city attorney support. Support 782 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:15,680 have a motion from council member Squires, second from council member 783 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:18,400 Hansen. Do we have any questions for Superintendent Archie this evening? 784 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:23,680 Council member Pop. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 785 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:27,599 Just a question here. >> Yes. 786 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:31,839 » The dirt. Is there any other use throughout the city where we might need 787 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:35,440 dirt to fill in something? Where is this dirt going? Do we know 788 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:39,680 » that? I don't know. Uh, a lot of times they have companies that take it for 789 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:44,160 either $2 or free. They're filling in low areas. Uh, this guy is a very big 790 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:48,079 outfit. But I'm assuming he has subdivisions where they're low on dirt. 791 01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:52,079 He takes it there, dumps it off. >> Okay. And there's nowhere that you're 792 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:57,680 aware of within the city that could benefit from maybe a leveling or needing 793 01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:01,039 a leveling or something like that. >> The only place in the past would have 794 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,680 been out at Volunteer Park when we did level and it's all pretty much been 795 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:10,480 leveled out. Okay. >> Um we don't have a lot of un 796 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,799 kind of land left open just to dump off dirt. 797 01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:17,280 » True. Okay. I didn't know if we had anywhere that was maybe flooding or or 798 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,079 something like that where you know some some dirt might help out. 799 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,319 » Not off the top of my head. >> All right. 800 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:25,359 » Not that not that I was just putting dirt in it would take care of. 801 01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:28,960 » Yeah. >> Thank you. 802 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:33,760 » Council member Hansen. >> Just a quick question. I mean I see 803 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:37,839 signs all the time, you know, like the person is seeking filter and that sort 804 01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:42,559 of thing where they'll like take it. It just seems um is this typical for 805 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:46,319 municipality to pay for removal of dirt like this and not get anything back from 806 01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:50,960 it or >> that question I couldn't answer but this 807 01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:57,839 is like I said this pile has been it was a decent pile when I started my plan is 808 01:04:53,760 --> 01:05:02,960 to as we now we get this down to zero and as we start to say I get a five five 809 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:06,480 to 10 yards worth of soil find one of those places because there are there are 810 01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:10,400 websites that say need filter you can contact them. But I also don't want to 811 01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:13,680 be running our trucks a million miles away just to get rid of 5 to 10 yards of 812 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:19,440 dirt, you know? So, it's kind of one of those uh I may I know the trucking 813 01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:23,920 company that I do use, he always has spots where he can haul it out for like 814 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:27,520 two yards, $2 a yard, whatever. I pay trucking and whatever. I want to kind of 815 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:32,559 keep on top of it once we get it leveled down so that we're not back here in 18 816 01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:36,559 20 years saying, "Hey, we got another 2,000 or 4,000 yards of dirt that we got 817 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:39,520 to get rid of." Well, I I figured I'd just ask that question because it kind 818 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,440 of occurred to me. I'm like, you know, they should be paying us for the dirt. 819 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,920 But >> yes, no, I I I get it. And and majority 820 01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:48,960 of the people that have that, they want clean filled dirt. 821 01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:52,160 » You know, this is fairly clean dirt. I mean, it has rocks and stuff in it. 822 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:56,240 There are unfortunately some probably tree branches buried in there over the 823 01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:00,240 years, whatever. Um, and it has been kind of an area that we if we're working 824 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:04,240 on certain ends of town, we'll go to the cemetery first and dump there as opposed 825 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:07,760 to going to our yard and overfilling our dumping bay. 826 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:11,200 » Well, I I I appreciate you kind of getting this taken care of, especially 827 01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:14,720 before the road gets put in. And um, yeah, I appreciate you at least getting 828 01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:17,280 us that bid and getting somebody to come out and take care of it before the 829 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:22,559 construction starts. So, >> thank you. 830 01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:27,359 » Excuse me, Mr. Mayor Kennedy. Um, we think that there is a problem with that 831 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:31,760 DLC account. Um, finance and benefit administrator Tieran just ran down to 832 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,200 her office to grab her budget book to verify. 833 01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,200 » Okay. >> Could we hold off on the vote until 834 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,160 then? >> We can do that. 835 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,160 » Thank you. 836 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,880 » You expect her soon or should we just take care of the salt truck purchase? 837 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:49,039 » Um, you could go ahead and do that. >> Yep. I think we can. And uh, how 838 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,520 convenient. Superintendent Archie's still here. 839 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,760 Sorry to >> let's move on to new business number 840 01:06:52,799 --> 01:07:01,799 five. Purchase of the 2027 model year freight liner. 841 01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:01,799 » Okay. 842 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:08,960 All right. I have done this I have I've done this a few times now with these 843 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:15,359 trucks. So I think this one should be pretty foolproof. Um so the uh the DPW 844 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:20,079 would like to replace our 2006 Sterling dump truck T9 due to the age and 845 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:24,079 availability of parts for the cab. These trucks are used not only for plowing and 846 01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:29,599 salting the city streets but the the hauling of leaf vacuums, dirt, leaf 847 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:34,240 hauling, sweeping debris hauled to the dump and many many more uses. Uh we use 848 01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:37,760 the mitten bidding system which the bidding is already completed through the 849 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:41,839 Rochester Hills cooperative. Uh Wolverine Freightlininer received the 850 01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:46,160 bid for the cab chassis and we will will be also using the city of Rochester Hill 851 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:51,359 cooperative bidding system for the snowplow equipment lights box and 852 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:57,119 lights and box through uh truck and trailer specialists with the this was 853 01:07:53,359 --> 01:08:02,960 done with the RFP RH20-23 and in fiscal year 202627 the department 854 01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:10,079 budgeted $250,000 for the salt truck under GL account 642979500 855 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:15,000 00 the cost for the vehicle build and is now2 856 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,000 $256,974. 857 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:21,679 Uh materials attached as supporting documents is a quote contains two two 858 01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:25,279 parts. The cabin chassis, the bid from Wolverine Freightlininer includes all 859 01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:30,239 the specifications the city needs for the efficient plow efficient plow truck 860 01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:34,600 and the you to be used throughout the year for the price of $117,89. 861 01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:40,319 Part two of the quote is to outfit the truck with snowplow equipment lights in 862 01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:46,199 a box. This will be done through truck and trailer specialist incorporated for 863 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,199 the price of $139,885. 864 01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:53,839 Possible course of action is to approve the purchase of the 2027 model year 865 01:08:51,120 --> 01:09:00,319 Freightlininer DPW salt plow truck chassis model 108 SD plus from Wolverine 866 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:07,080 Freight Liner for the price of $256,974 867 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:07,080 from GL account 642979500. 868 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:17,080 Pricing and conditions were proposed uh through Rochester Hills Cooperative RFP 869 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,080 RH20-023 870 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:23,480 agreement. Uh suggested motion 871 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:27,679 » looking for a motion. >> Sorry 872 01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:31,839 Hansen. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll uh make that 873 01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:38,400 motion uh to approve the purchase of a 2027 model year Freightlininer DPW Salt 874 01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:42,239 Truck uh chassis model 108 SD Plus from Wolverine Freightlininer and outfitting 875 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:48,679 from Truck and Trailer Specialties Inc. for $256,974 876 01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:48,679 from GL642-979500. 877 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:57,520 » Support a motion from council member Hansen, a second from council member. we 878 01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,719 have any further discussion for Superintendent Archie regarding this. 879 01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:04,640 Council member Hansen. >> Well, obviously the price of everything 880 01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:08,320 keeps getting a bit higher. Um, is there any chance we might be able to get 881 01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:13,360 anything out of the existing truck or like put it in reserve or get 882 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:17,199 » So, right now I'm using two of the old Sterings as a back like 883 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,520 we run five trucks. >> Yeah. 884 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:23,520 » I right now currently have six. Two of them being the Sterings that are from ' 885 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:28,480 06. They're both purchased in the same year. I'm using them as my fifth truck 886 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:32,560 this year. So, as one breaks down, I'm going to be splicing it back together as 887 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:35,920 the other one goes out on the road. Um, when we get this final purchase made and 888 01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:42,880 the truck shows up because they are taking quite a bit of time to build. Um, 889 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:47,760 I I I've already kind of put my order in in a sense to get us on the books back 890 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:51,840 in like February, so it speed up the process so we're not waiting almost two 891 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:55,920 years. Um, when we finally get the truck in, we'll see what kind of condition it 892 01:10:53,600 --> 01:11:01,199 is. I would like to keep one as a backup, basically a truck that we haul 893 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:05,600 stuff in. Kind of wear and tear on that one until it is done. Um, the other one, 894 01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:10,239 depending on what condition, I may put them up for auction. Um, it just kind of 895 01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:14,480 depends on I mean, the last time we did this, they gave me like $17,000 for the 896 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:18,960 truck. >> And to me, it's almost better off having 897 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:22,480 a backup sitting in our fleet. If one of ours goes down, we throw this truck on 898 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:26,719 the road. We back. We're not we're not missing a beat. And, you know, picking 899 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:30,640 up a few more subs in the future. We may end up having to go to a six truck 900 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:35,360 anyways eventually. Anyhow, >> well, I have had some some comments made 901 01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:41,679 to me about the great plowing services south and DPW. So, I will say that. Um 902 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:47,360 one one other question that I had um uh obviously not for this winter upcoming 903 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:51,040 maybe 2027 2028 when it would be in operation or or is that 904 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:57,679 » it will it will not be this winter for for sure. I'm hoping by next next they 905 01:11:54,080 --> 01:12:02,080 told me 16 16 months when I first talked to them. Like I said I put a basically I 906 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:04,400 put a the truck is cab chassis is ready to go. 907 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:08,080 I could probably have that tomorrow if I called them and said it's the build part 908 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:12,320 getting in the box. The box has been the big hold up on a lot of these trucks. Um 909 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:15,760 once they get all their parts, we're basically get in line and then they get 910 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:19,600 all the parts in and they've been ordering certain you know they'll the 911 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:24,080 box held us up on the last one. So once we get it they'll they said 16 months. 912 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:29,760 I'm going to bet it's probably going to be 18 to 24 unfortunately. Um, I'm not 913 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:36,199 holding my breath on having it by next winter, but if it shows up, great. 914 01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:36,199 » Okay. Thank you. 915 01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:41,679 » City Clerk Dean, we have a motion from Council Member Hansen and a second from 916 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:44,880 Council Member Bogurt. Would you lead us in a roll call vote for this motion, 917 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,239 please? >> Squires, 918 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,600 » yes. >> Bogurt, 919 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,040 » yes. >> Kurtzw, 920 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:51,120 » yes. >> Dil, 921 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,239 » yes. >> Yes. 922 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,520 » Hansen, >> yes. 923 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:58,080 » Kennedy, >> yes. That motion carries. And now we 924 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,480 have a second motion. Council member Hansen. 925 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:05,360 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll make a motion to approve a budget amendment for fiscal 926 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:10,280 year 2026 2027 to the equipment replacement fund GL account number 927 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,280 642-979.50ard 928 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:19,120 dumps salt truck for $10,000 to increase the line item from 250,000 to 260,000. 929 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:22,239 » I'll support. >> Have a motion from council member 930 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:27,040 Hansen, a second from council member Dilk. Do we have any discussion 931 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:31,120 regarding the budget amendment? >> City clerk Deon, if you'll lead us on a 932 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,560 roll co vote for this, please. >> Hansen, 933 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,760 » yes. >> Opa, 934 01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,040 » yes. >> Squireers, 935 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,159 » yes. >> Dild, 936 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,440 » yes. >> Herzil, 937 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,480 » yes. >> Bogurt, 938 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,239 » yes. >> Kennedy, 939 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:46,400 » yes. Motion carries. And now we'll go back to new business 940 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,320 number four. There was some discussion about the account. 941 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:54,280 » Yes. >> Number. The correct geo code will be 942 01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,280 209-972.0000. 943 01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:02,400 » Okay. I love the attention to detail. Thank you. 944 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:07,120 » 209. >> So on this one, we have a uh a motion 945 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:10,960 from uh Council Member Squires and a second from Council Member Hansen. Do we 946 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:15,600 have any further discussion regarding the dirt pile removal? 947 01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:19,600 City Clerk Deon, if you'll lead us on a roll co vote for this then, please. 948 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,960 Popa, >> yes. 949 01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,320 » Hansen, >> yes. 950 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,679 » Dil, >> yes. 951 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,880 » Bogart, >> yes. 952 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,239 » Hurts, >> yes. 953 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,840 » Buyers, >> yes. 954 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:33,960 » Kennedy, >> yes. Motion carries with the revised 955 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,960 account number. 956 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:42,480 » Thank you so much. Thanks a lot. [clears throat] 957 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:47,520 Moving on to new business number six, second amendment conditional reszoning 958 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:50,960 agreement for Westlake. and uh our planning consultant uh Miss Verlet will 959 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,920 handle this for us. >> Hi, good evening uh council and Mr. 960 01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:59,920 Mayor. This is uh the proposed second amendment to the conditional resoning 961 01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:05,280 agreement for the Westlake project which is at the corner of 10 and Dixsboro. 962 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:09,520 Um the development initially included three single family residential lots 963 01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:15,040 along Lake Street. Uh the applicant is now requesting to combine the three lots 964 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:19,440 into one single family residential lot for the construction of one single 965 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:24,080 family home. The total land area zoned R3. So the boundary of what was reszoned 966 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:28,000 with the conditional resoning is not proposed to change. It's just proposed 967 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:32,320 to be combined into one parcel instead of three. Um however, due to the nature 968 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:36,480 of the proposed change, an amendment to the conditional resoning agreement is 969 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:39,920 required. Attached as supporting documents are a draft of the second 970 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:43,760 amendment to the conditional resoning agreement. Um, and I'm happy to answer 971 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,800 any questions if you have any. The applicant, Bob Langan, is also here 972 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:49,840 tonight. >> Okay. So, we need a motion to bring it 973 01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:54,640 to the floor for discussion. Council member Dilk. 974 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:59,280 » I was I did not want to um move I was I had a question. So, I'll wait to see if 975 01:15:56,159 --> 01:16:01,760 someone else makes the motion. >> Council member Hansen. 976 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,719 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll make a motion to approve the second amendment to the 977 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,600 conditional resoning agreement and authorize the mayor and the city clerk 978 01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:11,040 to sign the second amendment to the conditional resoning agreement. 979 01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:12,880 » Second. >> I'm sure who made the second? 980 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:18,400 » I did. >> Oh, council member Kurtzwell. Thank you. 981 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,760 » So, we have a motion from Council Member Hansen, a second from Council Member 982 01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:24,000 Curtzwell. Do we have questions for our planner this evening? Council member 983 01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:29,440 Dilk. >> Thank you. Um, I kind of wanted a a 984 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:36,560 discussion on why they decided to do this. And I could be remembering this 985 01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:42,800 wrong, but wasn't there um something about the having these uh three single 986 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:48,159 family homes that would be uh affordable housing? And I it looks it to me 987 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:54,480 building just one I'm assuming is going to be a huge um 988 01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:59,600 uh house now instead of three smaller ones um is a little concerning to me. So 989 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:02,480 I just wanted to see what you thought about that. 990 01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:06,480 » Yeah. Um the applicant might also be able to address some of that. Um my 991 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:12,320 understanding is they received interest in the three lots in only building one 992 01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:15,520 home um across all three. The way that the agreement was written was that it 993 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:20,960 was three single family homes on three single family lots. Um I don't think 994 01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:25,679 that it specified that it had to be at a certain level of affordability, but we 995 01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:29,600 do have an expectation that it um meets our ordinance requirements for fitting 996 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:33,520 with the surrounding area in terms of size and appearance and all of those 997 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:38,400 things. So um it would still be expected to meet all of those requirements. Um 998 01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:43,360 but because the initial agreement said three homes on three lots that was terms 999 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:48,080 of the agreement um and the reasonzoning and that's why when they were approached 1000 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:52,239 with a request from a potential buyer and they approached us with um an 1001 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:58,480 application to build one home that's how we got here. So 1002 01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:03,520 legally, do we is this one of those situations where it fits in the zoning 1003 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:07,280 and we have to go along with it or um and it's just a 1004 01:18:05,679 --> 01:18:12,000 um you know um just going through the 1005 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:17,679 motions here or is this something we can oppose if we actually want to? 1006 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:20,880 the way and the city attorney can weigh in. Um, but the way that the agreement 1007 01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:24,560 was written was that you agreed to a conditional resoning of three single 1008 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:29,440 family lots. So, that's that's what was agreed to. Um, the lots currently meet 1009 01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:35,760 the zoning ordinance. >> The new lot would also meet the zoning 1010 01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:39,600 ordinance requirements. Um, but the agreement that that council agreed to 1011 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:44,719 was the three lots. So, I don't think it's um necessary that you that you 1012 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:48,800 absolutely have to agree to the amendment, but um I know that's what 1013 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:52,429 they received interest in and it required the amendment. So, that's why 1014 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:56,159 it's before you tonight. >> [snorts] 1015 01:18:52,640 --> 01:19:01,120 » Yeah, I was I was just it I mean we went we went through this 1016 01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:07,040 whole thing so for so long and I guess I was just really uh I don't know if 1017 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:11,280 looking forward to makes sense but um thinking about the fact that this was 1018 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:16,719 going to be um housing that would be a little more affordable and it wouldn't 1019 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:22,960 be another McMansion kind of situation happening. So that's just my concern. 1020 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,960 Thank you. 1021 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:29,280 Council member Curtzwell. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, 1022 01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:35,120 you know, I've worked with a lot of developers in the past and I understand 1023 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:41,920 that sometimes things change and what generally changes is uh consumer demand. 1024 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:46,880 And I don't I don't hear anything here where 1025 01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:52,239 the developer wants to change this because he just 1026 01:19:50,080 --> 01:20:01,040 wants to change it. He's changing it because there hasn't been a demand for 1027 01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:08,000 three separate homes. It's his money. He's got it tied up. It's his property. 1028 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:13,920 And if the developer has a potential or prospective buyer that has expressed an 1029 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:18,560 interest in um uh building a little bit maybe of a 1030 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:22,560 larger home, but he wants all three lots. Maybe the person wants their 1031 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:27,199 privacy. I mean, I'd love to live on five acres and get away from people 1032 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:32,719 quite frankly, you know. So, if I could if I could afford it, um I potentially 1033 01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:39,360 could be a prospective buyer um just to have the land and and be away from, you 1034 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:44,560 know, a lot of people. But what I don't like is when government thinks they know 1035 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:52,080 more than the person who's got the money at the stake. And I'm sure not going to 1036 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:57,120 um second guessess the developer. I'm not going to second guess his judgment. 1037 01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:01,679 I think his record speaks uh for how well he has developed uh Westlake 1038 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:05,600 Apartments. Um it's my understanding there's a waiting list over there. Uh 1039 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:09,760 they're very very wellmaintained and very affordable. So I think he's made a 1040 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:15,040 commitment to the affordability issue and I'm not going to tie his hands and 1041 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:19,679 force him to sit on three parcels of land and wait until 1042 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:23,199 you know the end of time until somebody decides, okay, maybe I'm interested. And 1043 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:26,880 then he gets one lot sold. then he waits another 20 years and waits for another 1044 01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:31,600 house to get built. If he's got a buyer in the wings and he can develop it, um I 1045 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:36,480 would be in favor of uh approving the agreement and keeping government out of 1046 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:41,440 the developers decisions. >> Council member Pova, 1047 01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:47,440 » thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um you had acknowledged that uh part of the 1048 01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:52,080 agreement initially and you full disclosure I was not on the city council 1049 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:55,840 when all this took place. Um, one of the agreements of verbiage stated that 1050 01:21:53,840 --> 01:22:02,800 anything that's built will match the aesthetics and size similarity of the 1051 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:09,440 current area. Okay. So then if we're going from three properties to one, 1052 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:15,920 are you saying that they're going to build a large home on that one property? 1053 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:20,560 » Yeah. Do we know? So that um requirement for infill of single family housing is 1054 01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:24,800 uh wasn't specific to this agreement. It's within our zoning ordinance. So the 1055 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:30,719 expectation is that um though when it was three homes or or any home that's 1056 01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:36,960 built on that area um is subject to the normal requirements that construction of 1057 01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:40,000 a single family home would be. Um and so it would still be expected to go through 1058 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:43,679 the building permit process. As part of that, we review it to make sure that it 1059 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:48,800 meets setbacks and all of the ordinance requirements and meets those infill 1060 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:51,520 housing requirements. Um, and they have submitted their building permit 1061 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:56,000 application, but obviously it can't be approved until um or couldn't be 1062 01:22:54,080 --> 01:23:01,199 approved until if council decided to amend the agreement. Um, and so that 1063 01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:04,320 wasn't specific to this agreement. It's just a general ordinance requirement 1064 01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:09,040 that any home that would be built there is the expectation that it would be 1065 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:13,679 reviewed against those requirements. Okay. Well, 1066 01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:19,199 the homes that are in that area, they're they're cute. They have charm. They have 1067 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:23,679 character. And uh I know just from seeing other municipalities, I I don't 1068 01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:28,800 want a situation here in our city where people are coming in buying up these 1069 01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:34,000 small homes that people have been living in and now they're selling and building 1070 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:38,000 these McMansions. So, every neighborhood has a place. I'm not saying there's not 1071 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:42,320 McMansions or larger homes in the city. There are, but there are also 1072 01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:47,679 neighborhoods that are right-sized. And I think every neighborhood at this point 1073 01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:51,440 is right-sized. And my concern is, and which is one of the reasons why I did 1074 01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:56,560 run for council, is I want to ensure that our neighborhoods remain rightsized 1075 01:23:53,679 --> 01:24:02,080 and we don't have a situation where the colonials or the ranches are going to be 1076 01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:05,920 torn down for these homes that certainly meet the requirements of the parcel, but 1077 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:10,960 that's not going to look like my neighbor's home or the home across the 1078 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:14,400 street or, you know, to that extent. So, um 1079 01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:17,520 I'm a little concerned about this just from, you know, that [clears throat] 1080 01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:22,560 that's my take on it. But, um I do thank you for providing the information uh to 1081 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:26,719 because to go from three to one, that's not telling me that that's going to be 1082 01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:30,320 the same size home on that one that was going to be on the three. So, that's 1083 01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:35,199 that's where I stand with it. So, thank you very much. 1084 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:38,960 » City Clerk Deon, we have a motion from council member Hansen, a second from 1085 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:41,360 council member Curtzwell. Can you please lead us in a roll call vote for this 1086 01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,960 please? >> Bogurt, 1087 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,360 » yes. >> Gild, 1088 01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:47,520 » no. >> Hansen, 1089 01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:49,760 » yes. >> Opa, 1090 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,840 » no. >> Curtsile, 1091 01:24:50,639 --> 01:24:54,400 » yes. >> Squires, 1092 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,719 » no. >> Kennedy, 1093 01:24:55,440 --> 01:25:02,040 » yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you. 1094 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,040 » Thank you. 1095 01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:12,280 » Moving on to the budget for this evening. Any discussion regarding the 1096 01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,280 budget? 1097 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,600 Thanks for getting the account number. 1098 01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:22,400 Okay. At this point, we will open the floor for public comment. Those wishing 1099 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:26,159 to address the council have a two-minute time frame within which to do so. Please 1100 01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:29,600 state your name and address uh for the city clerk if you would. 1101 01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:31,920 » Morning, Mr. Mayor. So, the attorney would like to speak with you. 1102 01:25:30,639 --> 01:25:36,960 » Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see her back there. Thank you. Uh for the benefit of 1103 01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:43,199 council and the public, the council rules of procedure do require names and 1104 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:48,000 addresses prior to speaking in public comment. The open meetings act allows 1105 01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:55,040 city council to adopt reasonable rules to which city council did. 1106 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:59,199 » Thank you, city attorney Hamame. So with that in mind, anyone wishing to address 1107 01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:02,960 the council is welcome to do so. Please approach the podium. You have two 1108 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:06,719 minutes within which to do so. And as stated before, it is one-way 1109 01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:11,840 conversation. State your name and address for the city clerk. 1110 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:14,960 » I'm not a resident of South Lion anymore, a Green Oak. Is that all right 1111 01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:21,280 if I speak? >> Oh, absolutely. 1112 01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:28,560 » Okay. My name is Judy Keeling. I'm 1189 Shannonoa, South Lion, Michigan. I would 1113 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:35,760 just like to say uh to the cameras, being a grandmother of three and caring 1114 01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:43,199 about children, I would love to see the cameras uh put into the city. And um I 1115 01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:47,040 don't plan on doing anything wrong. So if they took my plate, it's okay. Thank 1116 01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:50,600 you. >> Thank you very much. 1117 01:26:55,120 --> 01:27:03,360 At this point, we will close public comment and move on to the city 1118 01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:06,719 manager's report with city manager Baky. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, 1119 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:14,080 councel. A few things. I've got the semary road cemetery road project um is 1120 01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:20,400 scheduled to start soon. It's also going to complete uh around section 11. It 1121 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:26,400 should be done. They're hoping uh before November 1st. Bid opening for the trails 1122 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:30,159 uh starts the 27th of this month. So, that's a good thing. And there's a pre 1123 01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:36,320 uh construction meeting for Well 8 tomorrow with the um the contractor 1124 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:42,320 source and growth. Um also want like to speak a little bit on the um 1125 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:46,719 the uh tank, I'm sorry, the the the well six project or the well six failure at 1126 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:52,800 that time. So, we did have a a construction a constructive meeting with 1127 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:59,040 MST to ensure that we're all on the same page. Um that speaking with Ron uh 1128 01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:05,280 today, he's happy with the numbers and the levels in our water. So, that's 1129 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:09,040 good. Um so, we're looking at two weeks um before they're going to able it could 1130 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:13,760 be sooner. They're waiting to see what it looks like when it comes to cleaning 1131 01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:18,639 of the well. So, but um right now we're we're all good and um we appreciate 1132 01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:22,880 everybody's cooperation on the um on the water restrictions. Um that's a 1133 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:26,320 precautionary measure. It's voluntary, but just to make sure that we're going 1134 01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:31,840 to be all set. Um that's what we're asking. And um with that, if anybody's 1135 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:35,440 got any questions here to here to answer them. 1136 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:39,760 » Council member Hansen, >> do we have any updates regarding Dixro? 1137 01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:44,880 passed by today and and it looks like they've got the first layer down, but um 1138 01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:50,800 are we still looking like next week or >> um I'm I am told well I'm told it was 1139 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:56,080 going to be mid to this week to to later I'm hoping Friday. So they they've been 1140 01:28:53,760 --> 01:29:00,080 kind of getting getting things done pretty quickly there. So we're happy 1141 01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:04,000 with that. Um get those roads open up. My concern was again the schools and the 1142 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:08,560 buses. So it looks like that's going to be met which is a good thing. So, we're 1143 01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:11,040 looking at the latest Friday. >> Okay. 1144 01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:14,080 » That's what I'm told. Like I said, >> and that was that was in an email from 1145 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,239 the road commission. I think that's where they were posted. 1146 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,440 » Yes. >> Yes. 1147 01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:22,239 » Well, I I will say this. I would um like some information. I know you said you 1148 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:26,719 were going to get um information regarding our flock contract. I I too 1149 01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:32,719 would like to know when that is up for renewal. Um if there is a cancellation 1150 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:37,440 fee. Uh additionally, I would also uh like information. I do appreciate the 1151 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:43,440 fact that we've got it on our um city website as far as use every 30 days and 1152 01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:49,600 such. I' I'd be curious um how much it's being used total um you know by the by 1153 01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:52,880 our city employees and and if there is any benefit to even pay for it and how 1154 01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:58,880 much we're paying for it. >> Um that's I appreciate you looking into 1155 01:29:55,600 --> 01:30:01,760 it for us and just letting us know. So >> thank you. Yep. 1156 01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:05,679 » Council member D. >> Thank you. Um, 1157 01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:09,360 can you tell us what's happening with the housing commission, what this issue 1158 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:13,840 is, and uh, you know, I was very troubled to see um, Linda's name on the 1159 01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:15,840 resignation. So, >> yeah, 1160 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:20,800 » hoping for more info. >> So, and my understanding is there's 1161 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:24,639 some, I guess, procedure or personnel issues 1162 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:30,560 during the meetings um, that we're trying to address. And I will contact 1163 01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:34,800 um, Miss Macintosh tomorrow and we'll talk about it. I don't want to speak to 1164 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:40,080 anything out of turn because I I want to get pretty much the inside scoop, if you 1165 01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:43,760 will. I don't want to say anything, but there there's some issues going on with 1166 01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:48,560 maybe some of the residents there. Okay. >> So, I'd like to look into that first 1167 01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:53,280 before we make any comments. Um, but I do want to talk to her and figure out 1168 01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:57,280 what we can do to um help her and to make sure that we have the commission 1169 01:30:54,639 --> 01:31:01,199 intact. So, I just don't want to speak to anything right now that I I don't 1170 01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:04,960 100% know for for sure what's going on. So, 1171 01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:09,920 » Okay. And the um other question I had is um when we are talking about getting 1172 01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:16,320 that um water report um are we will we be able to see that um when it comes out 1173 01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:20,080 or um will we need to wait till when >> the the water report? 1174 01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:25,600 » Um you were talking about getting the report for uh the damage or whatever the 1175 01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:30,080 fix has to be. Oh. Uh, for for the tank. >> Yes. Sorry. 1176 01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:34,080 » Uh, yeah. So, I was told that it would be a couple of weeks. That was a few 1177 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:37,600 days ago. So, I'm I'm hoping sometime next week we'll have that. 1178 01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:43,440 » Once we get that, we'll we'll figure out what the next part of the process is, 1179 01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:48,320 how much it's going to cost, and how um how uh good of a repair it's going to be 1180 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:52,480 based on. Again, preload is the manufacturer of the tank. They were not 1181 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:57,280 the contractors that repaired the tank four years ago. I I don't even know 1182 01:31:53,840 --> 01:32:00,480 their names who did that, but um it's good to go with the manufacturer. They 1183 01:31:58,639 --> 01:32:06,880 know the insides and outs of of their own equipment. So, Ron again says that 1184 01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:08,400 there is a fix to it. >> Great. 1185 01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,600 » We'll get it to you. >> I just wanted to know if there was going 1186 01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:15,440 to be a long time before the next meeting. I was just hoping that we could 1187 01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:18,560 get it, you know, when it's available. >> Yeah, I can make Yes, I can I can 1188 01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:24,800 expedite that for you. >> Thank you so much. That's all. 1189 01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:30,480 Council member Bogurt. Uh just curious how the Pontiac Trail project's coming 1190 01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:36,960 along. Are we still meeting targets? >> So, yep. Uh I have another meeting 1191 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:42,719 tomorrow at 9:00 with RCOC and Tonio. Uh last meeting, uh looks like everything's 1192 01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:47,280 on track. Jeff and I go every nine every Tuesday at nine o'clock. Uh I take their 1193 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:54,239 concern our concerns that we have such as issues with the uh the um the detour 1194 01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:59,679 and and the some type sometimes confusing left right center type uh 1195 01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:05,280 intersection at 9 mile and Pontiac trail. Um but as far as I know it's 1196 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:11,040 going according to plan. Again I'm being told that mid November 1197 01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:14,639 is when it's supposed to be done. Um and hopefully probably two to three weeks 1198 01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:21,120 they'll be moving north to start going downtown. 1199 01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:27,360 » Great. Um just to um add on to that um I'm not sure who manages the 1200 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:35,040 intersection at 10mi and Griswald, >> but there's limited um 1201 01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:40,239 visibility when on Griswald making a left turn. You can't see to the right 1202 01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:44,320 the oncoming traffic. There's bushes that obscure the road. So, I don't know 1203 01:33:42,719 --> 01:33:48,400 who can address that. >> I I can talk to our CLC tomorrow at the 1204 01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,679 meeting saying that there's issues with that. 1205 01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:52,679 » Thank you. >> Yep. 1206 01:33:54,639 --> 01:34:03,520 » Council member Curtzwell. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, 1207 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:09,280 I also would like to um echo my concerns uh regarding the recent resignations 1208 01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:13,199 from the housing commission. Um, Linda Benson is just uh she's a great 1209 01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:18,960 individual, very dedicated, comes to the meetings. Uh, so I I was very concerned 1210 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:23,199 with hers and with Steve's resignation. You know, resignation letters are kind 1211 01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:27,600 of interesting. And these two resignation letters, you know, most 1212 01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:33,120 resignation letters are I I resign effective and and you leave it at that. 1213 01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:38,080 Um, there are a couple of pieces of information in these two resignation 1214 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:42,190 letters that I don't know if I need to come to you and talk to you privately, 1215 01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:47,040 you know, in your office, but I'm [snorts] deeply concerned 1216 01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:53,679 um about uh some of the statements that they made and and I uh I'm not going to 1217 01:34:50,239 --> 01:35:01,280 take time tonight to address it, but um but their concerns uh clearly did not 1218 01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:06,159 speak to personality uh differences. So, uh that's why there's a little bit of a 1219 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:11,600 discrepancy between maybe what you're saying and what their um resignation 1220 01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:16,159 letters say because what their le resignation letters say, I think 1221 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:21,040 requires a full council and we've got a great working council. You know, I mean, 1222 01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:24,880 this is a incredible council. We we know how to compromise and we know how to 1223 01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:30,800 solve problems. This may be something council needs to just come in and solve. 1224 01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:36,480 Um uh but I I was not pleased with um the tidbits in those letters. Uh second 1225 01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:41,199 of all, uh there is a I do want to address since you're meeting with the 1226 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:49,199 road commission tomorrow is um once again 9M Pontiac Trail. Um when you are 1227 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:54,480 on uh the south side of NMI just before the light at Pontiac Trail on the it 1228 01:35:52,639 --> 01:36:00,239 looks like the easement that's there by Bush's grocery store. There's a massive 1229 01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:05,920 hole there. And I'm telling you, with the kids that are walking that sidewalk, 1230 01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:09,679 number one, somebody is going to look in that hole or a kid's going to push 1231 01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:15,199 another kid. Now, they have a couple barrels around it, but the caution tape 1232 01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:18,800 is ripped off on one side. You know, I don't understand why they just can't put 1233 01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:25,040 some plywood over and cover up that hole. Uh, that is a pretty deep hole. 1234 01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:31,280 Number one. Number two, once again, Nine Mile Pontiac Trail. I noticed over the 1235 01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:38,960 weekend that there were um individuals that were crossing NMI and traveling 1236 01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:45,280 north on Pontiac Trail and they could not get to the light switch because they 1237 01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:51,119 wanted to cross again because the um the sensor that you push is in an area where 1238 01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:56,480 they're going to be pouring cement. So to get into the area to push the button 1239 01:36:53,760 --> 01:37:01,520 to turn the light on the signal requires people to step into a hole that is going 1240 01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:04,320 to be filled with cement at some time and people were having a hard time 1241 01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:08,159 crossing because they couldn't press that light. I mean I think that's one 1242 01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:12,639 thing that these contractors sometimes need to keep in cons keep in 1243 01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:17,760 consideration. when you're dealing with areas with a crosswalk and you've got a 1244 01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:23,360 mechanism there to change those lights and it's three weeks out before you put 1245 01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:25,520 the cement in. You know, a little bit of a priority there. 1246 01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:28,719 » Yeah, I've talked to him about that whole intersection as far as the 1247 01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,800 importance of safety when it comes to the 1248 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:34,639 » when it comes to because I know that school's opening soon and we want to 1249 01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:37,760 have a safe passage for the kids. Um they've told me they're going to have a 1250 01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:41,520 workaround either have it done or at least something where it's more safe 1251 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:47,840 where they can do that. I I I I'll reiterate to them again um that this is 1252 01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:52,000 important and that we need a a better workaround if it if it leaves if it's 1253 01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:56,239 not going to be poured and done that there's going to do something where it's 1254 01:37:53,920 --> 01:38:01,440 going to be safe for that crossing. I I I've I've talked to him last week about 1255 01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:05,600 it um because there was other concerns from individuals. So I just want to know 1256 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:08,880 what their plan is to to address that. I know it's difficult. I know it's, you 1257 01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:12,800 know, it's one of those things where Yeah, I get it. But we have if there's 1258 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:15,679 if there's people walking there and signs there, we want to make sure it's 1259 01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,679 safe. And >> I mean, I live in that area. 1260 01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:23,440 » Yep. >> So, you know, I I'm the person they come 1261 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:26,960 to. I mean, you know, they stick postms on my front door, 1262 01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:30,800 » you know, with did you know, blah blah blah. And that that's a pretty big 1263 01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:35,040 concern. I think it's u percolating because school's getting ready to start. 1264 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:37,840 you've got the two um uh middle schools that are right over there. And I'm 1265 01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:41,520 telling you, and I watched a lady and she could not get into that area to push 1266 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:45,440 that button >> and and change that light to cross. So, 1267 01:38:44,719 --> 01:38:48,080 thank you for >> I'll I'll bring it up again. Like I 1268 01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:51,280 said, I brought it up last Tuesday and we'll we'll hopefully get a better 1269 01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:56,159 solution soon. >> Thank you so much. And last, um a lot of 1270 01:38:53,760 --> 01:39:00,239 people, you know, I I gather around the city, see a lot of people. I'm in these 1271 01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:04,719 subdivisions in the neighborhoods and there's nothing but praise for how this 1272 01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:09,199 council is moving forward, how you're moving forward and what a difference the 1273 01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:14,480 city manager makes. Um I know it's a lot on your plate. There's a lot of 1274 01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:20,320 projects. Um but I got to tell you um you know uh everybody I've spoken to has 1275 01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:23,280 said just incredible job that city of South Line and the staff is doing. 1276 01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,280 Absolutely incredible job. >> Thank you. 1277 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:28,880 » So thank you. >> Thank you. 1278 01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:35,199 So, just to follow on to Council Member Bogart's concern, should any resident 1279 01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:40,400 have concern with obstruction of view problems on the road, feel free to 1280 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:43,800 contact the RCOC directly. Their phone number is 877-858-4804, 1281 01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:52,800 or you can submit a work order on their website, which is rcoocc.org. 1282 01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:56,639 and they're pretty responsive of replying to you that they've received 1283 01:39:54,480 --> 01:40:02,239 it, addressing the issue, and telling you it's been corrected. So, every 1284 01:39:58,639 --> 01:40:05,440 resident has the opportunity to do that. All right, Doug, thank you very much for 1285 01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:08,239 this evening. We'll move on to council comments this evening, 1286 01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:11,239 » and we'll start with Council Member Popa. 1287 01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:18,719 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [snorts] Uh, I want to go ahead and wish all the kids a 1288 01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:24,159 safe and happy school year. I want you all to challenge yourselves and know 1289 01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:29,119 that you shall succeed because you are magnificent. 1290 01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:33,360 And finally, um, September 11th is coming up. 1291 01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:39,119 May we never forget what took place on that day and may we all remember who we 1292 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:41,920 were on September 12th. Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Member. Council 1293 01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:46,880 member Dilk. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I just wanted 1294 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:50,960 to say, um, I don't I didn't know Steve very well, but I just wanted to thank 1295 01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:57,119 them, uh, Linda and Steve for their work on the housing board and say thank you. 1296 01:40:54,159 --> 01:41:01,440 Um, and especially with Linda, uh, I'm going to reach out because, uh, really 1297 01:40:59,679 --> 01:41:05,440 disappointing. Um, and want to make sure, you know, 1298 01:41:04,059 --> 01:41:12,400 [clears throat] I have an idea of what exactly is going on with that. Um, 1299 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:18,320 and I also wanted to just say um to the Pumpkinfest organizers, I know this was 1300 01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:22,719 a big um uh year because there's been a lot of change in not only where it's 1301 01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:27,199 going to be, but in the the leaders who are leading Pumpkin Fest. And I looked 1302 01:41:24,639 --> 01:41:33,440 through that map and it's um I'm actually kind of excited about the way 1303 01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:41,040 the map looks and how um I how it looks like um Pumpkin Fest is going to go this 1304 01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:44,880 year. and Pumpkinfest Live. And I if it goes as well as it looks like it could 1305 01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:49,840 on this uh map, I'm kind of hoping that we stick with this in the future and 1306 01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:53,840 don't disrupt uh the road in order to do it. But anyway, I just want to say thank 1307 01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:57,520 you. I know it's a huge year to make those kind of decisions. I've been on 1308 01:41:55,440 --> 01:42:01,440 the I've been on the board before and I know that it's so much work. I just want 1309 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:04,080 to say thank you. That's all. >> Thank you, Council Member. Council 1310 01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:08,880 member Curtzwell. >> Thank you. Uh this Wednesday, August 26 1311 01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:13,440 at 6:30, join everyone at the Lake Street Cruisin downtown South Lion. It's 1312 01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:18,080 a great event. Uh Paul Peters will be there as a DJ. There'll be awards for 1313 01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:23,760 the best in show, best engine, and best paint. Tonight's sponsors are Vanguard 1314 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:29,840 Motor Sales located in Wayne County. They are the nation's uh premier classic 1315 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:35,679 and muscle car dealership. I learned that tonight. Uh they have over 80,000 1316 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:41,199 square feet of indoor showroom and they ship worldwide. Uh thank you to Vanguard 1317 01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:47,280 Motors for their sponsorship uh to this event in South Lion. Our next um 1318 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:53,440 sponsorship is Wixom Towing. Uh this is a family-owned operated towing company. 1319 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:57,760 They do uh not only car towing, but they machine haul and they have been 1320 01:42:55,520 --> 01:43:04,480 servicing our area for decades. They provide 247 uh quick uh uh towing 1321 01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:10,880 services all year round and uh they can do heavy and light towing. Uh frankly um 1322 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:15,600 I've had to use um Wixom Towing in the past and actually they were very good. 1323 01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:19,440 Uh so I want to thank um Wixom Towing. They're just a great towing company and 1324 01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:27,520 thank them for supporting South Line. And last, this is a special message to 1325 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:32,480 the people so involved in um the lake um in the cruisen and that is Doug and 1326 01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:37,920 Debbie Cook and I spoke to Debbie tonight as she was boarding her cruise 1327 01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:42,159 um taking her Alaskan cruise. So Debbie and Doug will not be with us on 1328 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:46,960 Wednesday, but uh they are off to a wonderful cruise in Alaska, and I wish 1329 01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:51,760 them well. And I know you're going to enjoy every minute of it. And you know, 1330 01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:58,239 those are two people that have just supported the downtown uh South Lion for 1331 01:43:55,360 --> 01:44:04,159 many, many years. And if anybody needs a nice vacation, it's uh Debbie and Doug. 1332 01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:07,040 And um good luck to you and we'll check in with you when you come back in 1333 01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:09,280 September. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 1334 01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:12,639 » Thank you, council member. Council member Bogart. 1335 01:44:10,639 --> 01:44:16,800 » Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'd like to start with my uh quote for the 1336 01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:23,040 meeting, which is, "No one has ever become poor by giving by giving." That 1337 01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:26,320 was uh Anne Frank. And giving is much more than just, you know, money. It's 1338 01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:31,119 it's time. >> And there is a real need for volunteers 1339 01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:35,600 in this community. As you can see, we have a need for people on the housing 1340 01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:41,920 commission. We have other commissions such as the parks commission that needs 1341 01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:46,400 volunteers. And beyond the commissions, we have South Lion Live and Pumpkinfest 1342 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:52,000 that are coming up. These events cannot happen without volunteers taking a part 1343 01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:57,199 and helping make it successful. And then finally, I'd like to wish my lovely life 1344 01:44:54,400 --> 01:45:00,600 a happy 25th. >> Love you, sweetie. 1345 01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:07,119 » Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Member Squires. Thank 1346 01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:12,480 you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, just wishing every all the students a happy safe start to 1347 01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:17,600 the school year. Good luck to all the fall sports going on with a special good 1348 01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:22,080 luck to the South Lion Freshman football team and the South Lion marching band 1349 01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:28,000 and youth hockey cuz my kids are on those teams. Um, and uh again, a 1350 01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:33,119 reminder that the last uh Lake Street cruise is this Wednesday at 6:30. So, 1351 01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:37,760 let's hope it does rain and it stops before 6:30 so we can check out all the 1352 01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:39,840 classic cars. Thank you. >> Thank you, council member. Council 1353 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:44,400 member Hansen. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a quick 1354 01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:49,040 comment uh this evening uh to stress the importance of uh continuing to support 1355 01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:53,199 those downtown Southline businesses. Um I finally had the chance to visit Maple 1356 01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:58,560 House this past week. My wife actually beat me to visiting Maple House before I 1357 01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:03,760 could. Um, so wanted to uh congratulate Maple House myself and u say that the uh 1358 01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:08,400 breakfast was great, the coffee was awesome and uh even got to speak to the 1359 01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:12,880 owner and and she's been just really happy with the turnout and community 1360 01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:17,679 support. So thank you uh to Maple House for a great uh breakfast and um speaking 1361 01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:20,560 of my wife actually uh I better wish her a happy anniversary. So that's all I've 1362 01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:26,080 got. >> Thank you council member. 1363 01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:29,920 Last Friday night marked the end of our concerts in the park for this year. An 1364 01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:34,560 evening of entertainment and food available for folks in our community to 1365 01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:39,440 enjoy in South Lion's historic village. A simple pleasure that resulted from the 1366 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:43,520 efforts of so many folks. Tonight, I want to recognize the individuals who 1367 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:48,960 made those evenings possible. I'll start by recognizing Paulie Suski, Judy Piper, 1368 01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:52,960 and Doug Baky from city hall who kick things off by identifying the bands that 1369 01:46:50,719 --> 01:46:56,960 would play, getting them under contract, and coordinating with the food trucks 1370 01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:00,639 for the event. Thanks also to Paulie Suznooki for arranging with Oakland 1371 01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:05,280 County for the use of their of their stage for the big concert in Mcatty 1372 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:09,040 Park. Next, I want to thank Kim Rivera for coordinating with the Lionary 1373 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:12,639 Chamber of Commerce as they provided additional food trucks and entertainment 1374 01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:17,119 for the concerts, especially the foam cannon that the kids absolutely loved. 1375 01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:22,239 In particular, I want to thank Karen and Scott Story, Joe Knap, Jr. Idia, and 1376 01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:26,560 Steve Archeald, and the other chamber volunteers for their support and 1377 01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:29,280 assistance during those events. Next, I want to thank our Oakland County 1378 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:33,600 Commissioner, Phil Wipert, Frank Fogerty, and the Southline Kuanas for 1379 01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:37,679 providing free ice cold water for the concertgoers and the Southline First 1380 01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:42,000 United Methodist Church for allowing folks to use their conveniently located 1381 01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:45,679 parking lot. I want to thank Kristen Spiller and the South Line Area 1382 01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:49,679 Recreation Authority providing the movies for providing the movies in the 1383 01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:53,440 park on several of those concert nights and arranging for the bounce houses, 1384 01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:57,440 games, and activities for the kids to enjoy until the movie started. I want to 1385 01:47:55,760 --> 01:48:01,360 recognize the learning experience for providing activities and crafts as well 1386 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:05,840 as their mascot bubbles during those events as well as for the chess wizards 1387 01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:10,880 for being there promoting their program and teaching and playing chess with the 1388 01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:15,119 kids. I want to thank the Southline DPW crews for making sure the village green 1389 01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:18,400 was cut and trimmed for each concert and for setting up the screen and all the 1390 01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:22,480 other equipment for the movies that took place during the summer. And also thanks 1391 01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:26,639 to the South Line Fire Department for providing water for that foam cannon. I 1392 01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:30,800 want to thank our sponsors for supporting the concerts this year. The 1393 01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:34,960 list includes Huntington Bank, Michigan Seamless Tube, National Readymix, 1394 01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:39,679 Rohouse Regenerative Institute, Safebuilt, Thomas Duke Commercial Real 1395 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:44,960 Estate, Tropical Smoothie Cafe, HRC Consulting Engineers, and OM Adviserss. 1396 01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:49,840 And thanks to each and every one of the bands that provided the entertainment on 1397 01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:55,280 those Friday evenings. Finally, I want to recognize the individuals who served 1398 01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:59,119 as MC's for the concerts. That list includes Council Member Curtzwell, 1399 01:48:57,119 --> 01:49:03,199 Council Member Bogart, Council Member Popa, and Judy Piper from City Hall. 1400 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:06,639 Thank you for spending the evening ensuring the concert went smoothly and 1401 01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:11,520 that the concert goers enjoyed themselves. Again, it was a simple 1402 01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:15,440 pleasure on a warm Friday evening that was all made possible through the 1403 01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:19,520 efforts of so many people. On behalf of our community, thank you one and all for 1404 01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:23,679 a wonderful summer of music and entertainment. And on that, I will look 1405 01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:26,080 for a motion to adjurnn. Council member Kurtz. 1406 01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:30,000 » Move to adjourn. Second. >> We will see you on September 14th.