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For September 1st, 2026, I will go ahead and call us to order, ask everybody to please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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I have a pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and it should be republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, let's see, board members, you have in front of you the draft agenda and chief, there's nothing else for the agenda.

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Okay. Anything else for the agenda? Board members? No, I'll move the adoption of the agenda as presented. Is there a second?

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Seconded by Commissioner Chan. It's been moved the seconded to adopt the agenda as presented. Is there any discussion on the motion?

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And a discussion on the motion if not move to a vote on favor, please say aye.

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All right, any of those passes unanimously.

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All right, that moves us forward then to the consent agenda, which side of number four, consent agenda.

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In 4a, we have a September 1, 2026 claims vouchers totaling,

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I believe that's a, I think that's a misprint.

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But over over a million dollars, we'll put it that way.

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And today, the claims vouchers of today's dates will be adopted.

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I'll move the adoption of those claims vouchers in four, eight.

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Sir, second. Seconded by Commissioner Wittis.

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So move to seconded to adopt the consent agenda items.

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Is there any discussion on the motion?

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Any discussion on the motion?

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If not, move to a vote on favor, please say aye.

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Any opposed passes unanimously?

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All right, that moves us forward in the agenda.

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I have number five, which is approval of the meeting minutes.

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This evening in five A, we have the August 18, 2026 regular board meeting minutes.

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I will move the adoption of those meeting minutes.

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Is there a second?

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Second, second, back to Mr. Chan's.

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But move the second into adopt the August 18, 2026 regular meeting minutes.

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Is there discussion on the motion?

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Is there discussion on the motion if not we'll move to a vote on favor please say aye

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Any opposed passes unanimously that move as forward item number six which is public comment

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We'll start first in the room and then good or zoom platform first in the room is there any request for public comment here in the room

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Any request for public comment

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If not let me turn over to Ms. Blank and ship and see do you have any buddy requesting public comment on the zoom platform is Blanket?

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I do not. Very good. I'll come back one last time to the room.

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Any request for public comment here in the room?

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Not seeing any. Thank you. We will move forward then in the agenda item number seven,

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which is the fire chief's report. Good evening. Chief Maxwell. Thank you, chair.

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I have four items today. We've had a busy few weeks with fires. We had three fires

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along the inner urban trail and actually out into the median between I5 and we simultaneously

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had a structure fire down that like terrace. And that is the second time we've had concurrent

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brush fires and structure fires in a little over 30 days, which is not normal for us, but I think

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it speaks to, you know, we have 15 stations and that's 15 stations is a system of protection

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and allows us. I think we're probably one of the few agencies that's able to simultaneously

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fight to full complement fires at the same time, but that's the level in size we're getting

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to and it speaks to the importance of having 15 stations. Next slide please.

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Just what we're getting

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getting back there. You know, I think it also speaks to the growing wild fire concerns in our

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area, Shalayan County, the current fire, the little giant fires now, become the biggest fire in

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Shalayan County history. I was on it probably people in this room were on the the last one that was

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in County, which was the TA fire in 1994.

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Sure, Chief Wittis and other people were there helping to fight that fire many years ago.

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It's just not working.

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Let's see, I'll just, it's okay. We can do a couple other things. I wanted to report the innovative idea of the, it's called the on-med care center, which is a virtual care center that people can walk into and get care that we're talking about putting into the back of an ambulance. So, you know, we could pull up, take care of the person. They could see a doctor and get prescriptions filled and walk right back in. I'm happy to report.

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Chief Sharp took the lead on that and that report or that grant was submitted, it's about a half a million dollar grant.

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We asked for both a fixed site that, you know, we're talking to some of our cities where we could the the optimal place to locate that as well as money to configure an ambulance to do the mobile site.

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So we submitted that grant late last week.

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And then my final thing I'd like to talk about is I'm very proud and I would like a

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floral a sprig if you could come up here.

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So Laurel, you might not know she is kind of our

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assert instructor, act instructor extraordinaire here, and she achieved a very rare

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certification, even nationally, there are only six people in the state that hold this certification.

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She, and you have to pass it the first time, right? You can't. There are no second chances.

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It's quite a comprehensive test, but she has become the sixth master-sert educator in Washington

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State. And so we are quite proud of her. We'll give her a round of applause.

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She said it's the celebration of the 40 years of search since start was invented and just as a coincidence,

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she also crossed over.

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She has led our act program to training more than 40 people are trained now in act.

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So 40 or 41,000.

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That's a little more.

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I wanted me to look at 41,000 people in search.

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and she was when she was talking to some pretty high-level people down there they thought the

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act program might complement the cert program nationally. So she is a mover and a

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shaker and I'd like to present you with a coin. We are so proud of you and you do just such

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amazing work, Laurel and thank you.

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Did I fight my mic down?

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Yeah, I've got some comments on that.

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Did you want to say anything, Laurel?

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Did I say something?

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Sure. Go ahead.

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I first met Laurel.

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She was a volunteer.

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And she was making makeup on her blood.

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The kid was just lining him.

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What's going on in there?

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scratches and they were so happy the kids just loved to have that thing. Are you seeing what doing that?

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Yep. I don't know if that's that's amazing that's how you know getting their kids to do that.

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Can you explain a little bit about what this certificate do?

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Here I can bring it up.

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I have something to share.

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Didn't you hear me?

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Yes. Yes.

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instrument.

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So it enables me to be able to teach search train the trainer and program manager in

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this state of Washington, which not anybody is not just anybody can do, you have to go through

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the certification in order to teach those classes and I'm a big believer in teaching as many people

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as I can. I have a lot of great instructors that have been through the train the trainer already

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that instructs with us here at South Canterbury.

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I just have an emphasis, I don't know how many times I am emphasizing.

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The education part, the open house when they do all this,

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is just a major, major part, you know, for us.

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Remember how a roller is basically prevented the thing never happened, right?

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And I think that really, I want to hear everyone of them, I really appreciate very much.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I just want to say congratulations, Laurel, you not only deserve it, but you're an outstanding individual in the community, because Laurel is very humble when she won't tell you all of the other things that she does as well, including volunteering with the Super Lady Brigade, having been

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And an alumni of the FBI citizen academy having her own business, may have mullah, I'm not sure which way that goes.

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But she is by and large responsible for me becoming a commissioner by kind of a roundabout way, because we met prior when I have my emergency management instruction business.

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She sent me a text that said, hey, we're doing this ACT SACC class, instructor class, and you should

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become an instructor.

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So that was my first time walking in to South County Fire, became an instructor, found myself

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on the Facebook list, and sitting at my desk, this little pop-up came up and said, Commissioner

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wanted for South County Fire.

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And that's when the adventure began.

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So thank you, Laurel. Congratulations. I couldn't think of a better person to lead the charge going forward.

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Yeah. And if you if you weren't aware, so she manages all of our search. So she trains

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certs classes for all five of our cities. And then the cert team has turned back over to the city. So we're

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we're the educators for all the cities and help them keep their cert teams up. And then

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I think you do continuing exercises and stuff to to keep them engaged.

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Yeah, so that is a Laurel's other life outside of act.

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So thank you, thank you for letting me do that chair.

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And with that, I will conclude my report.

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Sounds good.

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Thank you.

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Chief, any questions for the Fair Chief on the Chief Report?

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Commissioner Chan, then Commissioner Walkman, Commissioner Chan.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah, on the brush five, do you know the cause of them?

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They are under investigation, but the summer we've experienced multiple concurrent brush fires.

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You know, cigarette, no, you don't know yet.

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I don't know yet.

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It's just been, you know, I think everyone knows we're kind of in a record drought.

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And with the burn band, it's actually probably going to be lifted later this week.

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But it was one of the highest levels of burn bands we've been under for the last month.

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Or that's I usually explain to the public. Yeah, five sort of it's so difficult. You cannot be a big bullfire

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Right, I said you even even know can you tell me a location? So I can get my stack over there

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You know, I mean, okay, we have to be staffed and ran it. Yeah, but great point

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I'm not playing. No, no, I think we can play. Yeah, thank you

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Can we share welcome,

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Chief. Thank you for that report. You know, first and foremost, I

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a second, everything that Commissioner Shan said. Being here when the brush fires started,

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I think it was two or three of them with you when we went up into the tower and kind of looked

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at the response. I was so grateful to have the response we did. It was incredible to be able to

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see the first responders out there responding to the brush fires and just all the compliments

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in the world.

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It was an eye-opening experience because they can happen at any point at any time, especially

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during these dry times.

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And so again, thank you to those who responded there.

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The other thing that I want to say is I am very excited about this grant, the opportunities,

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and I'm hoping that talking with Chief Sharp, talking with different individuals, I'm

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looking forward to seeing how we can measure the impact on this, not just in terms of who we're

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seeing, but also in terms of how we're making our roads safer, how we're responding to emergencies

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in a situation where, obviously, our calls are going up, and I think that this is an incredible

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innovative, thoughtful way of really starting to look outside the box to create solutions

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that impact our community, impact our force, and impact just have positive impact all around.

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So, thank you.

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Thanks, for your support.

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Chief, I did have one question for you on the Chief Report.

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You'd mentioned that the grant had been submitted for the mobile, I think you said Med Care

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Center, the $500,000 grant, to whom was it submitted?

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It's through the, it's federal dollars through the health care authority.

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And is there an anticipated, like, time window for potential award?

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And you know, is it, is it three months, six months a year or just didn't have no idea?

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How do I say this?

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The window for, it was supposed to be open months and months ago and then they opened it up and it was like a two week window.

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It hasn't been even rollout. I was just, it's been a little of a rough rollout and part of the reason we leaned in so hard.

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it was hard to get it inside the window when they opened it up. So you could see what you're

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applying for and all the all the forms. It was such a tight window. We decided to go for it because

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we thought maybe not everybody would say we just can't get it in that time. So the team did a tremendous

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job getting it done in time. But it had been anticipated opening up months and months ago. So you'd

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months to work on it. So it's hard to predict which what will happen next. I guess that was my

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long answer. Great. Thank you. Any other questions for the chief on the chief reports?

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If not, thank you chief. Thank you. All right, that moves us forward in the agenda to item number 8,

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which is the Union reports. And we have Connor Holtung, political director from local 1828 with us

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Good evening.

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Good evening, commissioners, staff and guests.

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Congratulations to Laurel on your Master of FEMA instructor certification.

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I've had the opportunity to have Laurel help with some of her melons for training opportunities

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within the RFA.

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And that's always a huge help for us too.

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So congratulations and thank you for everything you do.

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Our annual golf tournament just raised under $9,000 for the South County Firefighter Foundation,

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which is the charitable arm of our local.

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I want to say thank you to all the local businesses who sponsored

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and contributed to help make that a success.

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We have a September 11th, Memorial Ceremony

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that's being put on is kind of a joint effort. This is an annual thing. It takes place at

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station 17 9 11 AM. We also have an upcoming retirement ceremony on September 18th. It's going

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to be at station 21. I believe that's 11 AM and then a promotional ceremony upcoming on October 22nd.

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I also wanted to mention just that the local will be organizing for some sign-waving events

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and getting out in the community to show our support for the upcoming capital facilities bond.

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That's all I have for you tonight.

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Thank you all.

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Any questions from the board members?

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for Uncle Dr. Holtam, come here, Mr. Chan.

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Oh, these are more personal, no?

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Congraduation, that you're getting a wedding.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your work here.

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Any other questions from the board members?

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Mr. Wonkelman.

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Yep, I just wanted to say thank you for the support and with the bond and just everything

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that the union is doing.

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Thank you all.

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Anything else from the board members?

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Thank you.

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All right.

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That moves us forward to the agenda.

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Two item number nine, which is the capital facilities planning 9A, capital

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facilities communication update with director Veli.

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Thank you.

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I just wanted to share some very high level updates of where we are in our plan to

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educate our community about the upcoming bonds.

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We've, of course, had our groundbreaking ceremony at Station 22,

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the new site of station 22 on North Road last week and went very well. Thank you to everyone

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who came and participated in that. We have some upcoming presentations. We have an HOA group. We're

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talking to you next Wednesday and then we'll have the Mount Lake Terrace City Council. We're talking

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to on the 17th of September and then the Mill Creek City Council on the 22nd of September

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and then we'll be talking to the Edmund City Council on the 6th of October which is also a

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we're meeting for us so you will not see some of us here at that meeting so that we can

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permit some information to the city of Edmunds on that evening.

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Otherwise, you know, Connor just mentioned the September 11th ceremony coming up next Friday

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and then on the 12th of September we have Fair on 44th.

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That is the biggest event that we participate in every year.

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It's put on by the city of Limwood and we will be sharing some information about the

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measure at that event, as well as holding our regular activities. We'll be adding some more Q&A

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to our website and have sent out some new internal communications today.

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That will hopefully help everyone answer some questions and I'll be making my way out to fire stations over the next couple of weeks, just to chat with firefighters and make sure that everybody knows where to find answers to their questions.

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And I'm happy to answer any questions if you have any?

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Any questions for director Veli? Any questions? No? Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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All right, that moves us forward in the agenda to item number 10, and 10A, which is redistricting.

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And you will find that starting at page 26 of the packet.

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And so tonight we have a draft resolution in the packet at page 27, which would adopt the map number 6, which is in the packet.

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as the redistricting map going forward for the RFA plan, which moves what was district four down to district two and district two down to up to district four out of what had been a map number two, but incorporated now into map number six.

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So that's generally where we are, tonight for potential action, you have the main map with the kind of magnified closeer maps for each of the districts plus some of the biographical data attached in the board packet related to this.

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So let me see if there are any questions or comments from the board generally about redistricting.

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If not, the general plan would be to adopt the resolution tonight, which would make the redistricting go into effect immediately.

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And then we'd be able to move forward on some other issues on the agenda.

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So, okay.

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So unless there's general comments on the issue, then I will go ahead and make a motion that we

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the Board of Doc Resolutions 0 9 0 1 2 0 2 6-18, which is resolution to revise commissioner districts following annexation of the city of Edmonds.

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Our second that. I guess I give the commissioner can who snuck in there. So it's been moved and seconded to adopt that resolution.

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and so I'll ask for is there any discussion on the motion on the motion? Any discussion on the motion?

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I just want to again express my support for this move and I think this is a great opportunity and it meets the intent of everything we have discussed before.

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So I'm very excited.

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Any other discussion? Commissioner Chan.

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Yeah, I think it's a really good way we,

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basically, give admins and opportunity to have a

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assign some commissioner from the area immediately. I think there was, you know, this is a

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and there's always expressing the representation. I think that's the way.

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Oh, there's a question commissioner for a month. Please go ahead.

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Yeah, as the commissioner that we would be directly affected by this and switching our geographic area because I've become from.

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Well, I'll still remain district two, but it's just to instill in the same area.

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I think this is really a worthy plan, a nice support to Mr. Chan's comments and Commissioner Walkman's comments.

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And we have to give credit where credit is due.

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This is a brain child, our chair, Commissioner Kenny.

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So thank you so much.

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I know that the citizens of Edmunds are very excited

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about this opportunity and moving forward.

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So this would be great.

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I just want to speak in support of it.

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Any other comments?

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I would just offer that this is mixed good on our promise

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to the city of Edmunds in the annexation from last year

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in 2025 that we would redistrict.

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We started in the first quarter of this year.

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And it has slowly moved along, and then there

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were some developments in the last six weeks

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that made for an interesting end to it.

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And I think a really positive way that ties together

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a number of interesting loose ends that allows us to move

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forward in other ways, which I think is a positive

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for the community, a positive for our promise to the RFA

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generally, but also to the city of Edmunds on redistricting

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and helps us move things forward for...

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We're this year and for next year. Any other comments on those? If not, we'll move to a vote on favor

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please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously.

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Great. Thank you. And thank you to Ms.

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Blankenship on this matter, because she assisted us significantly in the process of the maps and

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all of the work that it took to help make that happen, so thank you Ms. Blankenship for your work on this.

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All right, so that moves us forward then to that was 10 A, that moves us forward to 10 B, which we are now able to take up that general issue related to 10 B, which is the commissioner vacancy in district number four, which is now governed by

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map six that we just adopted. And so I had, uh, I'm trying to think I was in the in the

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packets was my general, I'm going to call it an outline. Yeah, it pakes 47 to 48. I want to put

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in an outline to kind of give some thoughts about where we could go from tonight through potentially

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the first meeting of October, which is October 6th, to have the appointment process for the vacancy

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in Commissioner District 4, with the idea of having a three-week application process, but then also

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needing to have some mechanism to vet down potentially more than four, which is what our policy

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calls for regarding vacancies for interviews that we would normally do. We would need some if there's

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if there's either one to hopefully there's not zero but one to four applicants it's easy because

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they all get an interview the interviews here in person under my outline it would be on October 6th.

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Everybody each person would get a half hour and so then and then the board would be able to what

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executive session to talk about that and then come out into open session and potentially appoint

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somebody, a via vote. So that's very, to me, that's very straightforward. The slightly

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more difficult piece is, well, what if there's five applicants or 50 applicants? We've got to have

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some process to vet that down. So my suggestion was to appoint the committee, not tonight, we can

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actually appoint it at the third meeting of the month, and you can think about whether you want to be

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committee, but if we appoint a committee, our creative committee, I should say, to handle that

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vetting so that we can expeditiously move forward once the potential applications if you

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agree with my outline for three weeks, that would open applications tomorrow on the second of September,

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close applications on September 23rd, and then allow for approximately not quite a week or so

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to vet the applicant, applicants, down to four, have Ms. Lincoln ship and invite those applicants

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to the October 6 meeting. Actually, you know, give them notice and hopefully give them here

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for the October 6 meeting to be to be interviewed ideally in person. So I just kind of want to outline

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that. In addition, you have up here in the packet, or on the on the on the dius, you have the draft

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application like questionnaire I should say and kind of informational

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cover sheet for it because we would do what we've talked about

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previously in terms of trying to advertise this to make sure it's well

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known in the community that this is an opportunity because we would like to

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have as many applicants from District 4 as we could. In the past we've kind of

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of applicants, and we've never had 30, but hopefully we would have more rather than less, but

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we want to try, we want to advertise well, spend a little money doing it, and spend a little

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time. That's the three weeks time doing it also. But anyways, this is just my suggestion for

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how we move forward. The board needs to decide how to move forward. So I was hoping to have some

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discussion now just around thoughts around process, because this isn't the only way to do it. There

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be other ways to do it. But kind of wanted to have a discussion. Hopefully you had a chance to

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see that in the packet. And hopefully we can drive it something we might be able to agree.

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So thoughts, comments. Come on. It's going to be a welcome.

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Just saying that this is my first time ever going through this process. What I read, I felt was

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designed very well. I thought it was thought out. I liked the the dates and the timeline that we

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I'll be applying and...

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I think that this is a great opportunity to experience the application process.

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Other board members, Commissioner Chan?

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Thank you. I'm the one who really want to get out of the best commission. I think this organisation

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you're depending on the seven people. So you want to shop the person, whatever dedicated person to the

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commissioner, but at the same time I'm just thought about this. If four

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applicants do we automatically see, remember where one individual come in there

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and threaten us? Remember that person? I didn't. And that's where we were the

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safety and everything else in there. Now if that person apply, I was wondering should

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we automatically take him in.

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So we may not, we don't have to spare it out in there, right?

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Well, I think I haven't answered for your specific question, but I, but not for the general issue that you're hinting at.

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As to your specific question, that individual does live in district four. What is now district four?

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I don't know. I do.

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As a practical matter, that's not an issue.

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But I think generally you're bringing up an issue,

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which when I spoke about the one through four,

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the committee certainly has the ability to consider unusual circumstances shall we say.

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But I think the general thrust of it is that we encourage applications and people that are generally qualified should be received by the board and interviewed by the board.

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But if there was something exceptional like maybe the circumstance we're referring to but more generally from district for that, you know, maybe there'd be a circumstance where the person wouldn't be interviewed at the committee's recommendation.

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But I think the board could also talk about that because we don't want to, you know, I want to have reasonable transparency around it.

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And I think that should be the vast exception rather than the rule.

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We want to encourage applications and not discourage applications.

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But I understand what you're driving.

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or maybe, you know, the era of turning it, you can make your language such a way when the

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obligated to fall, it doesn't insume, it doesn't. We don't have to. That's why I described this

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as kind of an outline. It's not the, it's not like a bylaws or a fixed policy that it's because

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I think we have to stay flexible for just sometimes, sometimes odd things can happen, but I think

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spirit of this is we want openness, transparency, we want more applications, not less, and we'll see what happens.

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So, after we have discussion before, what happens is our awesomeness, apply for this.

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I'm sorry.

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An awesomeness?

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An awesomeness?

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Do we need to do background and stuff like that?

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Well, that is part of the draft.

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Um, application of a cover sheet and questionnaire would call for a criminal background check on the individual and that is actually an issue if you would, my suggestion is that we do that.

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Rich Davis are general counsel indicated that we can do that because this is an appointment for a political position.

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this is not an employee. It would be different if it was an employee. But because it's an appointment

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for a political position, we can do it. My suggestion is that we do do it in part for the

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rare possibility of what you've just raised, which is we might want to know that go into the

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interviews, something like that, which would be, you know, if we were to appoint to not realize

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something like that would be very embarrassed for the government agency to do that. But I did

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want to raise the issue because we don't have to, and it is something that would the board

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would need to. I just want to kind of highlight that to consider that. But also to consider the

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other, you know, there are ten questions on there. If there was something different, you know,

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now would kind of be the time to speak, because hopefully we're going to start the advertisements

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tomorrow.

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Other thoughts? Commissioner Waste. I just want to compliment you on it. You've done a

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real good job and I've supported it on a person. Thank you.

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Any other questions, comments?

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So, I'll see. Yes, Commissioner Fernhalfa, please go ahead.

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Yeah, I just want to echo what Commissioner Whitis said, great job, and I believe a screening process is valid.

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Just, yeah, just great, great trend, appreciate it.

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All right. Well, I think what makes since then, I hear in just a second, I'd like to make a motion that the board will generally follow the, generally follow the outline indicating.

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So, that we have a little bit of flexibility depending on where things go and not generally

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you know where it's going based on what's written, but there's a little flexibility.

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So, I'll go ahead and move that the board generally follow the policy outline in the board

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packet on the vacancy appointment process for a district commissioner district four.

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Seconded.

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So, I moved a seconded to adopt the outline, generally adopt the outline, is there

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discussion on the motion. Any discussion on the motion? If not, move to a vote on favor, please say aye.

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Aye. Aye. Any opposed passes unanimously? Great. Well, we will get started then.

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Ms. Blank and ship again on this issue. I want to thank her and pre thank her because there's more work to come.

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On this, but has been very helpful in helping to get the help with the process.

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There's more to come as we begin the advertisement process tomorrow in a three week open window for individuals from this new district for to apply and we encourage applications and we're hopeful the community will respond and we'll have some good options to select from in the interview process and and it'll be provide new talents and energy for the board.

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but also a new representation for District 4 and the new District 4, which will be positive in many ways.

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Any other general comments on the appointment process?

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Okay, sounds good.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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That was 10B.

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That moves us forward to 10C, which is the 2027 staff budget presentation for discussion.

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and this is with our CFO, Mr. Bothwell. Good evening.

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Thank you, Chair. Good evening, Commissioner. Excuse me.

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All right, so this is our final budget presentation before we turn over the cheese

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primary budget in two weeks. So tonight's presentation will follow the same format as the last one.

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I've got updates to start with. I have three updates tonight. I've got one item for follow-up

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and that's followed up just to an item where there was some questions last time we presented the

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topic and then I'll hand it over to the chief for his budget updates and emerging

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topics. So this first update affects the county data. So at this point in the budget process,

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we generally have our first run of data out of the county for assessed value change since last

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year and also a new construction numbers. I reached out to the county yesterday and found out that

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the information is going to be delayed this year. So they're implementing a new system and instead of

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getting at the first week of September, they're looking at the last week of September. So I wanted to

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That's the situation we're in this year.

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The Chief's preliminary budget will utilize the best available data,

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but it won't be specific to our jurisdiction.

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So they have issued some really high-level county-wide data.

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So we'll take a look at that and make some assumptions.

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And that's what we'll publish with the Chief's preliminary budget.

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And then the plan will be to return at the first meeting in October.

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Assuming we get the data in September.

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We'll return the first meeting in October with follow-up and an updated analysis.

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So we'll update whatever's in the choose preliminary budget with the actual county data.

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So and I say October or as soon as possible, it's not totally unheard of, but there would

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be additional delays when there's system implementation.

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So we'll bring it to you as soon as we have it.

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The second one is the 2027 health care rate update.

426
00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:10,440
So you all know that we commissioned an actuarial report on this efficiency of rates to

427
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,980
fund claims in the future.

428
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,540
That report we had a draft report and then we got a new stop-ploss policy that had

429
00:39:16,540 --> 00:39:44,380
different terms. And so we sent that over to them and they updated the report. We just got that last night. So this is sort of fresh. The new report. It does account for the new stop loss and concludes that the rates are about 22% behind where we should be. So the next step for us is to gather stakeholders and discuss the draft and discuss what we would recommend for implementation. So we're going to pull that group together in short order and get back to you all with an update on this topic.

430
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:49,560
Third one is sort of a downer.

431
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:51,040
It's our GEMT invoice.

432
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:53,120
So we don't typically get GEMT invoices

433
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,000
usually the money flows to us.

434
00:39:56,220 --> 00:39:58,180
A couple days ago, the Washington State Health

435
00:39:58,180 --> 00:39:59,800
Care Authority invoices does for one point.

436
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:08,120
And it's referenced as the final cost element for supplemental payments made under the GMT program for fiscal year 2023.

437
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:12,820
So in the amount that they referenced as the payment was the amount we received in 2024.

438
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,400
So we sent that to our consultants because it kind of came out of nowhere for us.

439
00:40:17,420 --> 00:40:20,660
And so the research is ongoing, but I wanted to put this on your radar.

440
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:27,740
If it is found that we owe this money, it will require a budget amendment, so you'll hear about it again, and it'll be in front of you for action.

441
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:31,840
And it will reduce the 2020-06 ending fund balance.

442
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,960
So, more to come on this one,

443
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,820
but I wanted to give you sort of early warning

444
00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:37,860
that this is something that we're dealing with right now.

445
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:44,810
Okay, so those are the updates, we're on to follow up.

446
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:47,470
And so there was a question a few weeks back.

447
00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:50,270
We, I presented that our labor and industries

448
00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:51,610
rate, our workers' camps rate,

449
00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:54,230
who's gone up considerably for 2026.

450
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:56,470
And there was interest in knowing a little bit more

451
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:58,750
about that, and so I brought some additional information

452
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:59,530
for you tonight.

453
00:41:00,430 --> 00:41:08,090
So just for background worker's compensation, provides no fault, industrial insurance for employee errors and employees or workers.

454
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:13,210
And typically this is the insurance that if you get hurt on the job then it funds your

455
00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:16,510
that the cost is associated with that including time loss.

456
00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:21,390
The rates are applied based on the hours worked so and it's it's done by job class.

457
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:27,630
So a firefighter and office worker and two different job classes and those job classes are based on the

458
00:41:27,630 --> 00:41:32,150
basically the likelihood that you're going to be injured on the job, so obviously our firefighters

459
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:34,910
are much higher rate than say admin person.

460
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:38,870
There are two components to the rate, so this is how L and I develops the rates, there's

461
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:44,790
the base rate and for firefighters it's $4.59 currently and then there's a second piece

462
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:49,370
to the rate, which is the experience rate and that's based on our prior year, our prior

463
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:52,250
three years, claims, or usage of the program.

464
00:41:52,890 --> 00:42:04,950
So we have a base rate of $4.59, our current rate is at $7.04, and just for context, like for administrative workers, folks that just work in the office, the rate per hours, closer to like 30 cents.

465
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:09,530
So, very dangerous job that our firefighters do, and you see that show up in the rates.

466
00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:19,450
So this graph shows our workers compensation rates from 2018 to 2026, and that's of course you get a new rate when you're a new entity.

467
00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:41,450
So the RFA is fairly low as we start there in 2018 and the red line is the red line is the rate per hour and then the black line there is just an estimate based on minimum staffing of what our annual spend would be for the workers compensation insurance

468
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:45,790
And so you can see we started at $2.79 back in 2018.

469
00:42:45,850 --> 00:42:47,090
We dipped in 2021.

470
00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:49,170
We got to a low of $2.13.

471
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:53,870
And then it's been steadily climbing since then and we're currently at $7.

472
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:54,370
$4.

473
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:59,490
This is a graph of our experience factor.

474
00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:03,090
So there was a base rate and then there's this second layer which is our experience factor.

475
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:06,370
This is what's happened with our experience factor since 2022.

476
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:13,830
one, the orange line on there, that's just the states rate, so that's the base rate, and it

477
00:43:13,830 --> 00:43:17,970
assumes a one. Anything above that means you're going to pay more for your experience rating.

478
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:22,630
So you can see we started in 2022 right around one. We were probably a little better than average,

479
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:29,610
and then we've been steadily climbing since then and now we're about almost 73% above the

480
00:43:29,610 --> 00:43:31,050
one or the base rate.

481
00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:38,030
So we had to consult and do some work force on L and I a couple months ago and

482
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:41,930
prepared this graph. So I thought I'd share it with you. This is the nature of the

483
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:47,530
open claims by injury type. So the largest one there, the blue part of the pie chart,

484
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:52,010
is strains. And so this is the things you typically think of, right? Like hurt your back,

485
00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:58,350
you hurt your knee, those kinds of things. The big new one is the PTSD, which accounts for about

486
00:43:58,350 --> 00:44:04,090
34% of our active claims. So a little more than one out of three claims is for PTSD.

487
00:44:04,090 --> 00:44:10,610
We also have cancer at 5% and then other, I imagine, is just a smattering of other things.

488
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:17,230
So, when we recognize the rate was increasing, we started doing some work immediately.

489
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:23,770
Initially, we engaged the specialists from WHA and Sharon's broker to review our own

490
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:26,230
claims prior to the experience window closing.

491
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:31,710
So, there's a window of opportunity where as of June 30, if you have an opportunity

492
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:37,370
to get neat claims closed or challenge claims and those that experience, up until June 30th,

493
00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:38,970
is what affects her experience factor.

494
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:45,970
And so we had them go in and close claims and work to minimize the impact going forward

495
00:44:45,970 --> 00:44:47,310
on all of our claims.

496
00:44:48,070 --> 00:44:52,490
They focused on resolving open claims prior to the experience window, so they didn't, things

497
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:57,590
that had a longer term, that work would be longer term, they didn't engage in those things.

498
00:44:57,590 --> 00:44:59,970
they were just trying to get things that they could get resolved before the...

499
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:29,980
We continue to work with them. The specialist over at WHA prepared a 2027 rate forecast for our 2027 budget. And we got this yesterday as well. And therefore, casting a 21% rate increase effective January 27. So this is another budget item. The 21% is part of that 12% of that is an increase as a forecast it increase in the state's base rate for firefighters. And then the balance of that is what they forecast are.

500
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:35,940
experience rate is going to change the negative impact that our claims will have on that experience rate.

501
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:41,100
So this isn't said in stone we asked him to forecast it just to give us an idea of what we should put the budget

502
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:45,600
and we'll get better information in the next few months and we'll share that with you soon as we do.

503
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:52,120
So we're currently evaluating options to enhance our claims management and resolution to prospectively increase our

504
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,480
our excuse me, improve our experience factor.

505
00:45:54,740 --> 00:45:55,980
So the work is ongoing.

506
00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:00,760
Chief use is sort of heading that up, work up.

507
00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:02,540
And so we're continuing to work this issue,

508
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,480
but that's what I have for you tonight on that topic.

509
00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:07,780
So if there's any questions I'm happy to take those.

510
00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:09,920
Otherwise I'll hand it over to Chief for his budget update

511
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,460
and emerging topics.

512
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:13,320
Through Shukshan, go ahead.

513
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,440
Yeah, it's really concerning.

514
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:21,600
So basically before we were pretty good

515
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,120
along the way, but because of the accident, because of the actual record that we have.

516
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:28,800
So, actually, let me get going out, right?

517
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:36,680
A couple of questions I had number one, I know, long time ago when I was

518
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,860
consulting with companies and stuff like that, the construction is a highest rate.

519
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,320
So, how do we compare the constructions, you know?

520
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,780
The information is published, but I'm not familiar with it, so we could bring that back,

521
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:52,640
But I don't know.

522
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:53,920
Well, secondly,

523
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:57,940
I'm not sure they've changed.

524
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:04,480
Some other state that we can basically not use the R&I

525
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,540
and using our only insurance company.

526
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,020
Is that option in here?

527
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,460
R&I, they're not compulsory, right?

528
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,680
We can't even we have an R&I insurance on ourselves.

529
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,620
It's a great question.

530
00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:18,180
And we can dig into that and get you an answer.

531
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:20,140
I'm not sure what our options are.

532
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:27,940
And then of course, the third one is that in construction, they basically are actual working hours, right?

533
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:35,820
But to me, I don't know what I'm working hours of because most of the time at night,

534
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,240
you don't read that working so much.

535
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:48,060
Maybe that's another talker because I assume that the evaluate that you've had the total on guilty hours,

536
00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:51,060
This is an actual call-out, was right?

537
00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:52,140
Yeah, correct.

538
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:53,420
I don't know.

539
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:54,560
I guess I'm.

540
00:47:55,140 --> 00:48:01,680
Yeah, so one of the things that we're going to want to do as we move forward with this is just a very validate that we are putting people in the right classes.

541
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,700
So we have a lot of uniform personnel that may be working more day jobs and more of a desk job than being on the field.

542
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,420
Just making sure everybody's classified correctly.

543
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:11,540
And then also some of the questions like you're asking.

544
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,880
I think those are things that we're going to want to invest in going forward.

545
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:20,680
We're becoming, you know, it's unfortunate that we're in this situation, but we are becoming a better consumer or more sophisticated consumer of these products.

546
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:25,000
And so we will start to do that work and ask those questions and that is sort on the work plan.

547
00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:31,080
You know, I actually putting in classes really important because I've my client that put in a wrong class.

548
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:36,680
This is generally everything including some office people and that's that is really bigger.

549
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,680
A huge difference in there. Yeah.

550
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,800
All right. Thank you.

551
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:58,040
Thank you for that. Just a couple of questions. You know, first is is our current experience rating. What is it comparable to other agencies within the ecosystem Seattle surfer.

552
00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:04,680
Are they all basically a flat same rating or do there are their variables within that.

553
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:10,860
So we don't have access to specific data for specific other entities, but the base rate would be the average.

554
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,480
That's that's where the industry is as a whole.

555
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,380
Okay, so as industry as a whole in Washington State or industry as a whole in the nation.

556
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,220
Washington State.

557
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:23,660
Okay, because, you know, that is something that if we can get comparables, I'd be very interested.

558
00:49:23,860 --> 00:49:25,560
We do it for, you know, compensation.

559
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,000
I would also be very interested.

560
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:33,980
What our LNA right is for the other agencies within Snellmish County and King County.

561
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:42,480
when we're talking about you said something about hours work is kind of what we're paying

562
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,980
I think it's four dollars and fifty cents. How does overtime impact that? Those are hours

563
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:52,640
works, those get reported. Okay, so hours work, so now over time because I know that we have

564
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,160
significantly higher over time being experienced at this point in time, is that also driving

565
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,900
up the the potential rate as well or.

566
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,980
A lot of our overtime is caused by shifts that aren't being worked elsewhere, so those hours wouldn't be reported, so sickly hours wouldn't be reported.

567
00:50:08,180 --> 00:50:10,940
So if somebody calls that sick and then we fill that with overtime, it would be a wash.

568
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,460
Okay. Thank you.

569
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,400
Can we share with us?

570
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:16,080
Thank you.

571
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:19,860
You talked about that GMT, and that was fiscal year 23.

572
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:20,800
Yes.

573
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:27,620
The first time that this has ever come up, that they've come back and said, we've misappropriated, we've got to pay money back.

574
00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:34,840
So since I've been here we did get a bill for district one for like tens of thousands of dollars nothing to this nothing this size

575
00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:42,700
So what my question is in a sense could this be happening next year for fiscal year 24 the year after that for 20

576
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:47,080
That's one of the questions. We're going to get answered for sure. Yep. Yep. It's a great question. Thanks.

577
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:59,840
Other questions for Mr.

578
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:05,060
22% behind, 22% behind, like behind what?

579
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,460
The actually raised projections for what our claims

580
00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:09,740
cost will be in the future.

581
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,720
So in other words, that's 22% under its underfunded,

582
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:18,500
or it's 22% higher than we thought it was going to be.

583
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,700
Yeah, therefore, casting that our claims

584
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:23,700
will exceed the amount that we have that our rates

585
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:26,320
will fund by 22%.

586
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:26,900
There's a couple.

587
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,080
So we just got the report literally last night,

588
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,240
and so we'll dig into it.

589
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,340
It's my initial read of it is that it's heavily influenced

590
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:35,120
by our claims in the last 24 months,

591
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,840
which have been a bit of an anomaly for the amount of time

592
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,120
for the life cycle of our, or the life span of our plan.

593
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:44,900
And so that's something that we'll talk about

594
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:46,500
when we get the groups together and figure out

595
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:47,640
we don't want to over-correct.

596
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,500
We also have a budget challenge just here.

597
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:50,960
There's a lot of sort of,

598
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,300
it's going to be a top budget season

599
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:54,880
and so we don't want to over-correct

600
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,500
and end up raising rates too much

601
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:58,800
just to bring them back down later.

602
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:05,280
So these are all questions that we'll kind of dig into and we'll bring a more comprehensive analysis back to the board.

603
00:52:07,850 --> 00:52:14,230
The GMC, like Commissioner, what is said, I didn't think I'd ever seen a claw back of GMT money.

604
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:16,730
I don't recall that. What you'd mentioned.

605
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:22,970
But it wasn't to the point $1.8 million or two in the two to $1.8 million.

606
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:32,150
I guess a part of the review of that, I am curious, how far back they can go.

607
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:42,530
There must be some kind of a cutoff on the club back, but that is troubling,

608
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:47,290
and we

609
00:52:47,290 --> 00:52:55,450
want to think about that. I know we've been fortunate in I know for sure this past year and

610
00:52:55,450 --> 00:53:04,910
in some other years we have received more than we anticipated and it was great but that greatness

611
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:11,070
might be tempered by this type of a possibility of a clawback that we should be potentially

612
00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:17,650
thinking could happen when we think about those dollars. So it's just knowing that there

613
00:53:17,650 --> 00:53:24,070
could be a cloudback of that size may temper our enthusiasm in future years around.

614
00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:33,770
Good things that might happen just to be aware, maybe take certain precautions to be

615
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:37,850
prepared for a possible cloudback because that's how if a cloudback, I mean we're going back

616
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:44,130
We're going back two years, three years if it is truly 2023.

617
00:53:45,350 --> 00:53:48,210
So that is something to be cautious.

618
00:53:49,590 --> 00:53:51,430
And then lastly, the workers' comp.

619
00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:57,130
I mean, I just want to clarify, for the amount you had on the screen,

620
00:53:57,330 --> 00:54:00,970
per hour, that's $7.4 cents per hour.

621
00:54:01,650 --> 00:54:06,960
So that's $7.4 cents per hour for every hour worked by a firefighter

622
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,000
is going to state l and i.

623
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:16,600
That's a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. And that's 21 percent, you know,

624
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:21,880
potential 20 percent increase. I mean, I saw the character. It's just skyrocketing. Yeah.

625
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:29,220
I didn't know if you're able to, because l and i are, I mean, we're paying the insurance, but

626
00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:34,740
l and i is actually from their fund, paying the employees. I don't know if we're able to learn

627
00:54:34,740 --> 00:54:45,060
what they're paying, but I was curious of the different categories you had, which one is the largest percentage by dollars being paid out.

628
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:53,400
Because if it's anything like our healthcare, our healthcare pay out, you know, we have, we're doing so well in so many categories.

629
00:54:54,220 --> 00:54:59,920
But in the category of specialty drugs, it's just, while those everything else, because they made it.

630
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,280
May be a sliver of a percentage, but by dollar value, they're a huge driver of the overall dollars.

631
00:55:06,660 --> 00:55:16,000
It's not just curious which of those is, I don't know the thought crossed my mind of what's driving, if the dollars are more out of whack.

632
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:25,180
If the dollars match up to that pie chart that you, the dollars expended match up to that pie chart that you had, or if there's vast differences.

633
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,740
It's curious about that, or sometime in the future.

634
00:55:27,740 --> 00:55:31,720
Yeah, it's a great question. We'll begin to that and bring that back to the board.

635
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:38,600
But I guess overall, you are, you, um, Mr. Buffalo, you are not the bear of good news this evening.

636
00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:39,020
I'm fortunate.

637
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:46,300
No, it's kind of a tough spot to be in. But I do want to assure you that, you know, we entered this budget in very good financial condition.

638
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,740
We've always been very honest about our financial condition. And so we're dealing with all these issues in the budget.

639
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,500
We'll bring you something that's balanced and makes sense.

640
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:59,760
And we're just we're in a really good position to be able to kind of weather the storm that's coming out of us.

641
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:06,620
I was talking to Chief about this last night and this is the worst. This is the most difficult budget I've ever seen and I've been doing this for like 15 years.

642
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,980
I've been doing work really similar to this local government and there's probably a multiple.

643
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:20,200
I mean, this is probably a multiple of the number of things that you would typically see that kind of come out of nowhere and don't add a tremendous amount of value that you have to pay for in the budget process.

644
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,860
and so it's going to be a tough one but I know the cheese committed to bringing a really good

645
00:56:24,860 --> 00:56:27,080
proposal and it will be financially sound so.

646
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,420
Thank you. Good. Good. Good. Congratulations.

647
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,680
Yeah, one thing I was noticing on your chart where it started off near the baseline and then we're

648
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,960
seeing it go up and weathering the storm just kind of brought this because I guess what we're seeing

649
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:46,100
in terms of trends is it's we're having a larger and larger and larger gap increase per year.

650
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:52,800
Do we have any models that are looking at this to start gaining greater understanding of how we're

651
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,400
going to deal with this in three to five years?

652
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,900
Because if we're continuing on this trend where our AV is kind of staying where it's at

653
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:06,760
projected, where our L&I is going up and the terms that it is, my concern is is that we are

654
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,820
going to be weathering the storm a little bit longer than what we are expecting, because I'm

655
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:14,600
not seeing in terms of L&I, and up in a down.

656
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:17,000
I'm just seeing a greater jump every single year

657
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,360
based off the chart you gave.

658
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,720
Yeah, I think that's a fair reaction to what was shown there.

659
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:24,520
We don't have any contingencies built

660
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,740
into our long range plan, but we will update it

661
00:57:27,740 --> 00:57:29,640
with the new information that we have.

662
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:30,620
So we'll see these.

663
00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:32,720
We haven't seen any instructions like this in the past,

664
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:34,500
at least the past five years that I've been here.

665
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:36,580
But we will incorporate that into the forecast

666
00:57:36,580 --> 00:57:37,800
and so when we bring you a forecast,

667
00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:39,000
it will show these things.

668
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:51,900
I do think that particularly when it comes to like Ellen and I, we can affect a change in there and now I think that we're sort of moving in that direction and how do we affect the change that's going to be positive going forward.

669
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:59,220
So I'm optimistic that it won't be a forever upward trend and we can change its trajectory that with some work.

670
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:08,940
But we will definitely incorporate all the changes that you see today and all the sort of bad news that I brought to you.

671
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:13,820
contingency or something where we sort of are planning for a bad day that we don't know exactly what it is,

672
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,320
but it's in the forecast. That's something we might want to talk about as well. So yeah,

673
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,020
I think that that's definitely something we should start having conversations about because, you know,

674
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:27,160
just seeing where we're at what's going on with calls going up, complex of going up,

675
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:34,540
cost going up, and these different models, it's for me concerning. And I would just like to start

676
00:58:34,540 --> 00:58:37,420
looking at what our options are, how we can start

677
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:39,720
to maneuver, especially financially,

678
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:42,140
to

679
00:58:44,570 --> 00:58:47,550
help prepare ourselves up, help prepare ourselves

680
00:58:47,550 --> 00:58:49,770
for the five years from now, if nothing changes.

681
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:51,670
Yep, it's a great point.

682
00:58:52,650 --> 00:58:55,490
Other questions, comments, for Mr. Buffalo?

683
00:58:57,490 --> 00:59:00,030
Okay, thank you. I'm sure we'll talk some more.

684
00:59:00,270 --> 00:59:01,890
Thank you, for sure. Great.

685
00:59:01,890 --> 00:59:06,670
All right, well, that was a tee, tee up nicely.

686
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:10,870
I don't know how to say that, but it definitely,

687
00:59:11,330 --> 00:59:14,690
I have re-tooled my considerations.

688
00:59:15,050 --> 00:59:18,610
I think we're like, see if we're both all set.

689
00:59:18,790 --> 00:59:21,470
We're doing okay because we've been very careful in the past,

690
00:59:21,610 --> 00:59:23,090
so we're able to weather this storm.

691
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:27,170
And him and I have been having long talks is we,

692
00:59:27,330 --> 00:59:30,130
we don't know if this is a one year trend or a five year trend.

693
00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:33,450
And so we want to be really strategic about it.

694
00:59:33,450 --> 00:59:36,030
And when we see stuff like the L&I stuff,

695
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:38,110
I can tell you the whole team is gathering.

696
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:42,030
And we are looking, we did bring in the L&I consultant,

697
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:45,270
but we're like, okay, do we bring in a deeper level consultant?

698
00:59:45,350 --> 00:59:48,530
So we don't just look at the L&I and say,

699
00:59:48,810 --> 00:59:52,090
we're working on exactly what you're talking about.

700
00:59:52,090 --> 00:59:54,050
I'll make sure I want them in.

701
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:57,750
And my screen share just stopped sharing.

702
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:59,950
See you there man.

703
01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:20,200
So we are working in brainstorming on those issues and ready to get deeper into all the issues.

704
01:00:20,820 --> 01:00:22,560
So thank you for that.

705
01:00:23,780 --> 01:00:24,680
So with that,

706
01:00:27,370 --> 01:00:34,990
I think this need to be shared by our staff.

707
01:00:34,990 --> 01:00:45,190
And let them know that this would become a couple of things we were better training, safety, and all that stuff, but they need to understand this.

708
01:00:45,590 --> 01:00:49,930
This, from $2.79, go up to $1.01, is not sustainable.

709
01:00:51,130 --> 01:01:01,730
If you want people more careful, you know, I accidentally put down the peer pressure themselves to say, hey, we will, what do we careful?

710
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:06,890
Because that's happened to my other client that didn't know about it, they thought this.

711
01:01:07,090 --> 01:01:15,130
It's a government money and all that stuff, then they realizing that when the company has the burden, this money is very difficult.

712
01:01:16,030 --> 01:01:19,890
And so share with them and thank you.

713
01:01:20,290 --> 01:01:21,730
We can do it together.

714
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:23,770
Thank you.

715
01:01:25,770 --> 01:01:28,730
So you're going to see some similar stuff.

716
01:01:29,610 --> 01:01:36,730
We're going to kind of talk about just continuing to narrow down on what we feel is most important for our future.

717
01:01:36,930 --> 01:01:39,590
And we've been talking about capacity versus capability.

718
01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:44,430
Capacity is we clearly need to keep hiring, leaning into hiring.

719
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:49,110
I'm going to demonstrate some of some of the numbers to show that appropriately

720
01:01:49,110 --> 01:01:56,690
scaling our staffing to match our deployment model and considering the leaves and over time in our real-est volume.

721
01:01:56,690 --> 01:02:08,770
And then changing in the future, being smart about our apparatus and how we use our heavy or start to use lighter apparatus to reduce cost and increase reliability.

722
01:02:08,970 --> 01:02:19,950
And then capability, having higher capability to manage and apply our data to be able to do investigations and inspections as we're obligated in our cities.

723
01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:33,810
And then emerging topics where I see, you know, an unstable world and preparedness and expressed almost monthly my concern about growing very real wildfire threat.

724
01:02:34,510 --> 01:02:43,650
We're seeing a lot more people on the water. You know, warmer longer summers are we have a lot of lakes and we have a lot of risk there.

725
01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:49,870
We've had doctors, actually. We've had doctors coming from outside the area and comment that we have

726
01:02:50,510 --> 01:02:54,970
we have a lot of groundings in this area and I think it's because we heat up in our water

727
01:02:54,970 --> 01:03:03,050
stays cold. And so we we have a great team on lots of layers of defense for that, but

728
01:03:03,050 --> 01:03:09,570
these are the areas and energy. We see that in the news energy fires, car fires, energy facilities.

729
01:03:09,570 --> 01:03:14,950
so that's where I see the future. But before we get into that, that's a general overview. I want

730
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:21,610
we always talk about the 5.5 staffing and understanding that it can be just this number out there

731
01:03:21,610 --> 01:03:28,030
that we have one seat, four shifts, we need 5.5. What does that look like? Why do we keep saying,

732
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:33,170
we need to hire more? These numbers are not etched in stone. These are to demonstrate,

733
01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:39,010
there's their clothes, but it kind of demonstrates the challenge of why we need to hire.

734
01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:45,410
and why we need to lean into it. So starting at the top. So we assign about, we have right now

735
01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:51,390
about 78 firefighters there assigned to each shift. ABC and D all four shifts have about 78

736
01:03:51,390 --> 01:03:57,950
firefighters each. They're assigned that's where we start. And then every day six people have to come

737
01:03:57,950 --> 01:04:05,470
back and work their debit days. So we have we're starting off with 84. But between vacation and the

738
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:14,430
leaves and LNI and long short term disability week, we lose about 25 firefighters every day

739
01:04:14,430 --> 01:04:16,490
that goes against that 84.

740
01:04:16,910 --> 01:04:19,790
So now we're at a balance of about 54 firefighters.

741
01:04:20,650 --> 01:04:24,350
Our minimum staffing is 68 firefighters.

742
01:04:25,150 --> 01:04:29,670
So that means we're almost filling 10 positions every single day on overtime.

743
01:04:30,430 --> 01:04:34,950
And that is the gap we need to fill.

744
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:37,670
So now we're going to zoom out a little bit.

745
01:04:39,250 --> 01:04:43,250
So if we look at 2026, beginning of the year,

746
01:04:43,410 --> 01:04:45,110
we start with 300 file firefighters.

747
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:49,010
I'm happy to say, is it today September 1st?

748
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:52,850
September 1st, 24 people came into our parking lot

749
01:04:52,850 --> 01:04:56,510
and they're starting to get ready to go to the academy

750
01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:58,930
which brings our total to 336.

751
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:07,000
So, that means we're going to walk into 2027 with 306, if you're able to follow me there on the second line.

752
01:05:07,940 --> 01:05:19,340
anticipate, we'd like to bring in another 25 next year, and that's going to be subtracted. We're going to guess 12 retirements that take us to 349 at the end of the middle line.

753
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:29,520
So then we'll be starting off 28 with around 349 firefighters and then, you know, we look at how many will we send to the academy, how many will we lose in retirements.

754
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:39,720
But we're starting on that far bottom right we're starting to get close to that 356, which is closely associated with the 5.5 staffing.

755
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:47,400
When we start to get there, we're going to start to really come in and closing that gap of the 10 firefighters.

756
01:05:49,020 --> 01:05:54,500
So as I said, these numbers aren't etched in stone, but the reason we want to head towards

757
01:05:54,500 --> 01:06:00,260
that 5.5, that 356 is now we're going to start to close that gap of having to have 10

758
01:06:00,260 --> 01:06:08,580
firefighters on over time every day. So I just thought we talk about the 5.5 and I just, you know,

759
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:12,840
we looked at this as a team and we thought this may be a good way just to show the board

760
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:19,720
another way of looking at why we keep leaning into, we need to lean into, to hiring.

761
01:06:22,830 --> 01:06:27,310
So that's kind of the hiring, and that's why we're still recommending. We continue to hire

762
01:06:27,310 --> 01:06:32,290
even with this challenging budget. Now, these other things were pulling way back from, but it

763
01:06:32,290 --> 01:06:38,190
doesn't mean they're not important. We need to keep, I was talking about, we need more fire instructors,

764
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:44,610
we need more EMS instructors. And we need that to be able to keep teaching our engine

765
01:06:44,610 --> 01:06:47,450
operators, ladders, and tillers, and all our specialties.

766
01:06:47,810 --> 01:06:51,490
Insurance, the requirements are changing

767
01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:54,770
in what we have to train and educate on.

768
01:06:54,790 --> 01:06:57,430
EMS education, it's not what it used to be either.

769
01:06:57,490 --> 01:07:02,010
In EMT, we used to have to train them in 25 hours annually.

770
01:07:02,010 --> 01:07:03,250
Now it's 36.

771
01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:06,390
Paramedics, it was 50 hours.

772
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:08,550
It's now 65 to 75.

773
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:12,570
And as I told you, we have to do a lot of that with instructor

774
01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:17,670
over time and people don't want to come back and teach on over time because they're doing so much

775
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:22,810
over time and operations and it's necessitating the need to have full time instructors.

776
01:07:29,890 --> 01:07:34,230
So in hiring the other reason why we need more instructors or dedicated instructors,

777
01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:40,230
when we're holding academies, we're looking at holding our own lateral academy to accelerate hiring

778
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:46,010
and we might be able to do a academy at half the length of another academy, especially if they

779
01:07:46,010 --> 01:07:49,950
come from in county and they've already gone through the academy. We don't need to put them

780
01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:55,130
into a whole other academy, but it requires us to have our own staff to host these academies.

781
01:07:56,090 --> 01:08:03,030
What does that look like in numbers? So say, you know, we had our 25 that came in today and we bring

782
01:08:03,030 --> 01:08:11,310
another 25 in Q1. We have 50 firefighters on probation. That's 150 to 175 phase tests that

783
01:08:11,310 --> 01:08:16,750
that happened throughout the year and those all take about three hours each. So that is just one

784
01:08:16,750 --> 01:08:23,270
example of the the staff time it will take just to do that one thing. So when we're when we bring in

785
01:08:23,270 --> 01:08:28,530
people it's not just about intake. There's a lot of work that goes on for a whole year after we bring

786
01:08:28,530 --> 01:08:34,870
these people in and I don't see these stopping anytime soon of us having to lean hard into

787
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:40,590
hiring for years to come. And then we also talk about, do we lower the barrier? We'd like to

788
01:08:40,590 --> 01:08:46,710
stand up our own internal EMT course to, to get greater access, especially to our community in

789
01:08:46,710 --> 01:08:48,250
their ability to hire them.

790
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:54,810
So that's, that's one thing, special operations and preparedness I've been

791
01:08:54,810 --> 01:09:00,130
talking about. I worry about what they call a black, black Swan event. We've kind of seen, we saw one

792
01:09:00,130 --> 01:09:02,550
in the great, or the grand canyon,

793
01:09:02,770 --> 01:09:03,710
we saw him in a poll,

794
01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:08,770
we're seeing some of these huge water events, huge fire events.

795
01:09:10,190 --> 01:09:12,950
We need to have a dedicated person

796
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:14,470
looking at our special operations

797
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:16,510
and looking at preparedness.

798
01:09:17,210 --> 01:09:19,930
We have great people like Laurel helping us with CERT,

799
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:24,810
but we also need to be prepared as an organization society.

800
01:09:25,150 --> 01:09:26,710
It's just becoming very volatile,

801
01:09:27,310 --> 01:09:28,770
and we need to get serious about it.

802
01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:58,370
The cyber security and infrastructure, security agency, just put out a notice that the threat of a infrastructure attack on infrastructure, is the likelihood is growing greatly in critical infrastructure such as us needs to be prepared earthquakes, energy, I keep talking about wildfire and then we're having large events, plenty of events over 5,000 people.

803
01:09:58,770 --> 01:09:59,950
and gorebe

804
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:13,820
We're hearing, you know, call to protect those and we, you know, we saw events in Seattle. We, we have to be leaning forward and we need to be ahead of the curve. We have large events in our, in our area.

805
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:26,140
And, and layered into that as our special operations, you know, we've had some some VCs on the shift that used to help us manage some of this. They've retired.

806
01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:30,780
people don't do as much of that anymore and we need someone dedicated to all of our

807
01:10:30,780 --> 01:10:38,100
special operations. Our terrorism has met marine wildfire, energy, drone, technical rescue,

808
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:45,420
and all of the subspecialties. Those are complex. We really don't have anyone else to call.

809
01:10:45,940 --> 01:10:54,940
We are kind of the backbone for these specialties and we have to be prepared for those.

810
01:10:54,940 --> 01:10:58,380
that we have to have someone who can manage the training,

811
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:01,180
the equipment, the certifications, the compliance,

812
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,980
and the interagency coordination.

813
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:05,140
And that's why I think it would be really important

814
01:11:05,140 --> 01:11:06,060
to install someone.

815
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,440
They're going to, it's just kind of the way we do things.

816
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,660
You probably should have a one person each,

817
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,380
but we would have one person over all of this to start.

818
01:11:19,230 --> 01:11:22,570
I change in the way we run our heavy apparatus.

819
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:25,230
We know that our EMS call volumes,

820
01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:31,150
especially BLS continues to go up and we have a mismatch when we're sending some of our heaviest

821
01:11:31,150 --> 01:11:37,470
apparatus to some of our lightest calls. And when these are heaviest specialty apparatus are

822
01:11:37,470 --> 01:11:41,660
on these calls, they're not as available for that specialty call that they are needed for,

823
01:11:42,430 --> 01:11:45,090
they're not available because they have to complete the medical call.

824
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:48,740
So what could we do?

825
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,320
And you know some of these aren't cost savings, they're cost containment. It's the level out the cost

826
01:11:54,320 --> 01:12:00,640
of these, for example, to purchase a tiller, our next one's going to be about 2 to 3 million

827
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:09,640
versus a squad or a, I'm going to call it an urban brush truck, because you're kind of killing

828
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:15,540
two birds with one stone there for a half a million. The operating cost of a squad will be about 25%

829
01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:21,720
of a ladder. The replacement time for a ladder to 2 to 5 years where the squads would be available

830
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:27,680
in six to 12 months, you'd think if one of them were in an accident or had some kind of catastrophic

831
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:35,760
failure. And that's going to increase our AMS response reliability and safety. It's going to

832
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:41,200
lower the risk with those units. And it's going to increase our capability because we would probably

833
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:47,400
run some of these heavies as second out. So say at station 10, the squad would go out. These are,

834
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:52,100
We locate some of these ladders in our busiest area, so the squad goes out.

835
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,240
We all know that there's a heavy chance, there's going to be a second call in that area.

836
01:12:56,700 --> 01:13:00,680
And now the ladder can roll in that second call, whatever it may be.

837
01:13:00,980 --> 01:13:06,780
But at the same time, as I keep saying, the growing wild land threat I'm concerned about,

838
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:12,840
this is now going to give us wild land capability at the same time as we're increasing our

839
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:17,100
BLS capability and lowering the cost of our heavy equipment.

840
01:13:22,330 --> 01:13:24,090
So this is one of the things I pulled

841
01:13:24,090 --> 01:13:30,190
back on. I was looking at asking for a staffing to to staff this. I think we're going to wait

842
01:13:30,190 --> 01:13:35,830
to our staffing comes up before we raise staffing on that. The one thing I would like to do is

843
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:43,910
request to purchase at least one. I mean, preferably two of the squad units. So as we get up on

844
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:49,850
happening over the next couple of years we can start to deploy these. Here's the, here's the other,

845
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:56,450
the other thing I've considered is taking our PAU and using those as squad or taking the PAU

846
01:13:56,450 --> 01:14:02,450
and converting it to 24 hour and using that as a squad that way at night time you and now can have

847
01:14:02,450 --> 01:14:10,510
five people going out with a ladder for those rescues. But say we're able to move forward with our

848
01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:17,330
facilities plan. We start to place these squads out and we go to open the next station. We

849
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:24,130
can move a squad with two people. You have a third person and now we can immediately turn on

850
01:14:24,130 --> 01:14:30,030
the infill stations. Then a staffing comes up. We'll bring the squads back. But the squads are

851
01:14:30,030 --> 01:14:37,370
away to start staffing up. Supporting our response, wild land, the lower and cost, but we're also

852
01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:42,970
leaning forward so we can be immediately ready to staff the next-in-field station.

853
01:14:46,380 --> 01:14:52,690
EMS, we all know that's you know that BLS is what we do and I talked about our

854
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:59,560
both our ALS and BLS units, the unit our utilization is going up where

855
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,000
We're now in the 25 to 30 zone for most of them. That is the warning zone that we need to put on more units.

856
01:15:09,820 --> 01:15:16,320
And so we've talked about looking at single roll EMTs and lighter, lighter ambulances to do this.

857
01:15:17,060 --> 01:15:21,660
It's going to lower costs and we'll be able to accelerate our hiring.

858
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:26,880
And hopefully it becomes an entry, an entry way for people to get into the fire service.

859
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:33,040
we get to know them, they get to know us, they've got the EMS experience and then some of them,

860
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:38,560
we can send to the academy and they've they've already they know us and we know them and I would hope

861
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:44,360
hopefully there are a lower risk of losing them through not making it through probation.

862
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:54,720
Fire prevention. That is, that's how many years ago we took that on. You know, we've done good with

863
01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,780
our leadership in there, our bringing in our deputy fire marshals, but the big area that we're

864
01:16:00,780 --> 01:16:06,660
going to eventually need to fund is our inspections. We don't have any fire inspectors right

865
01:16:06,660 --> 01:16:11,500
now, and the deputy fire marshals and assistant fire marshals, they're doing all the plan and

866
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:16,460
reviews. They're not in the field doing inspections, and we're going to have to lean into that.

867
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:22,020
But due to the budget pressures, we're looking at some creative ways, maybe to use like duty,

868
01:16:22,020 --> 01:16:28,060
that's a short term fix. But the one thing we're legally obligated to do is respond to and investigate

869
01:16:28,060 --> 01:16:34,420
prior to the cities. And so we are working, we will be asking for some funds for an on-call

870
01:16:34,420 --> 01:16:40,340
program so that our fire investigators can be on call. I don't see any other way around that. We need to

871
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,320
we need to meet that obligation.

872
01:16:46,460 --> 01:16:51,500
We've talked a lot about our water marine response. You know in the

873
01:16:53,980 --> 01:16:58,500
We're seeing about 14 plus and this is just the Marine Unit, this is the drownings.

874
01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:05,600
You know, 2025, 2026, we've almost seen a doubling of those calls.

875
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,940
And like I said, people are out on the water more.

876
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:12,500
It's the only 24 hour staff to unit from Seattle to Bellingham.

877
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,800
And we also have three small boats stationed on the lakes, one of them on the rescue.

878
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:24,680
But our boat is old. It's 20 years old and needs replacement and that's about $2.5 million.

879
01:17:25,940 --> 01:17:30,800
In intergovernmental, we are starting to talk to our legislators to look for grant funding.

880
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:37,260
I think we have a really good story to tell. We ran to Kingston and helped them other day.

881
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:42,840
We have two fairies. The Coast Guard calls on us often. We are a regional asset.

882
01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:47,060
I think we have a story to tell that we help a lot across the Puget Sound.

883
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:54,720
I said we probably we have lots of groundings for our area. I shouldn't say we have lots of water issues.

884
01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:02,280
Sean Rean, her team have done a tremendous job on prevention. Hundreds of life jackets have been issued.

885
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:12,000
They put out warning signs. It's a layered approach though. I do believe we need to move to a program, not this next year, but eventually rescue swimmers.

886
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:19,740
And why is that the, you know, we can rescue people on the surface and we can do all the prevention.

887
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:25,820
But when they go under that 10 feet, that's where rescue swimmers can dive in and rescue someone.

888
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,960
They call out the dive team. The dive team isn't going to be out there fast enough.

889
01:18:30,340 --> 01:18:35,900
You need to have a rescue swimmer. If someone child or someone drowns in there, you know, they're 10 feet underwater.

890
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:40,960
That's where the rescue swimmer does. They can dive 10 to 20 feet immediately down.

891
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,880
By the time the dive team gets there, it's just too late.

892
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,260
That's the gap the rescue swimmer fills.

893
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:51,960
And like I said, most agencies around us,

894
01:18:52,780 --> 01:18:55,100
and then our larger agencies do have that capability.

895
01:18:58,740 --> 01:19:01,760
Data, I know this is important to a lot of you.

896
01:19:01,820 --> 01:19:04,800
You know, expanding, we've had, we have a,

897
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,580
do you have a unicorn person who helps us with our data?

898
01:19:08,580 --> 01:19:20,740
But we're a huge agency, and we use her for operations, logistics, finance, labor, we need to increase our capability there.

899
01:19:21,460 --> 01:19:28,740
And some of it just involves software using getting smarter about it, but we also probably need more bodies to help with that.

900
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:44,920
So, to summarize where we at, you know, to have a bath of all the whole team, these, these are some of the biggest budget pressures we've experienced in a long time.

901
01:19:45,220 --> 01:19:53,060
So starting at the top, I'm not going to ask for the signal roll MTs, or we aren't that we were going to.

902
01:19:53,060 --> 01:19:56,080
I would like maybe it's unconventional, but

903
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,960
You know, where are we at in a year and revisit revisit and

904
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:28,400
Next July, see where we're at, see if, if we can make a decision there to move forward with the program like that. The squads, the wildfire capability. I would still like to start purchasing apparatus. I think it's where we need to go. I'm not asking for the staffing yet. I think we just need to keep building up our base staffing before we can do that. If we get more staffing on a daily basis or or some days, we can, we could implement that if we have that apparatus.

905
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:37,480
instructors, fire and EMT. It's super, super challenging. I'll come back, mid next year,

906
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:43,420
and ask, see where we're at financially. We need to do all of these things. I just don't think

907
01:20:43,420 --> 01:20:47,700
now is the right time with the budget pressures. So I still believe in all these things. I still

908
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:54,600
think we need all these things. Deputy fire marshals, actually inspectors, we're going to need

909
01:20:54,600 --> 01:21:01,800
invest in that soon sooner than later to start doing inspections, but right now we'll work on just

910
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:09,520
having an on-call investigation program. We need more capability with our data team of one. We're

911
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:15,720
only going to ask for software right now and then not not asking for anything with the rescue swimmers

912
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:24,160
or the boat will look for grants for the boat. So that is, that is a summary, that is where we're

913
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:31,200
at and be happy to take input. Questions from board members for the chief?

914
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:42,090
Chris, you're welcome. There was a lot there. Sorry, you know, and this is a challenge that I'm

915
01:21:42,090 --> 01:21:49,470
with that. First of all, can I ask, what is the primary stressors that is causing our budget to

916
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:55,870
struggle at this point? Because it seems like we obviously AV is flat, we don't know,

917
01:21:56,750 --> 01:22:03,310
seems like LNI is, seems like over times another concern. And the question I have is,

918
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:08,290
you know, we only have so much, we have a pie. That pie is our all-the-revenue that's coming in.

919
01:22:08,810 --> 01:22:38,170
And how much does, you know, in terms of how much does each of these sections take up in terms of like labor, I think, what, 80% or more or more, okay, you know, and, and then we have what we need, what we're looking to expand because the other thing that we have going on here are calls are going up 3 to 5% if I remember correctly, yep, yep, okay, that requires more cost.

920
01:22:38,290 --> 01:22:44,250
Which then gives us less maneuverability to actually solve these problems or these challenges.

921
01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:49,190
And so the first question I have is when we're looking at these financial numbers,

922
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:53,990
when we're looking at all of this information, what are we modeling it with?

923
01:22:54,170 --> 01:23:02,370
What data are we using to actually show the model on how, if we bring in a wild and fire or one of those brush trucks?

924
01:23:02,690 --> 01:23:07,050
How that's going to impact our modeling, which is going to help with maybe the overtime,

925
01:23:07,050 --> 01:23:14,010
Maybe that'll deny. How is that good? What are we using to start saying when we decide that we want to invest in this?

926
01:23:14,230 --> 01:23:22,550
It is going to over impact all of that. We can ask the same question when we hire this amount of people. How is it going to impact our budget?

927
01:23:22,650 --> 01:23:32,190
And what are we using to start actually scenario planning so that we can come up with the best model possible that we can present because I see a lot of numbers

928
01:23:32,190 --> 01:23:36,010
But I don't see what's driving this model

929
01:23:36,010 --> 01:23:42,750
yeah, that's fair. The reason kind of you say what's the biggest stretch of the biggest

930
01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:50,070
stressor is there's a gap between how many people we have assigned to each shift and all

931
01:23:50,070 --> 01:23:57,570
the overtime we're paying daily to staff it. So to me, the data is important and would probably

932
01:23:57,570 --> 01:24:04,990
be very informative. Right now the gap is big enough that I'm taking this stuff away saying we just

933
01:24:04,990 --> 01:24:12,930
higher because that gap is obvious. Okay, and in this 2026 budget, did we not have it budgeted for

934
01:24:12,930 --> 01:24:14,610
334 people?

935
01:24:17,710 --> 01:24:23,770
Well, the road map was asking, you know, we were going to do 30 and then 10 each here.

936
01:24:24,010 --> 01:24:29,450
30 and 10 each year, but I thought for 20 maybe I'm wrong and understanding this. I thought that we had it

937
01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:38,010
budgeted out for us to hire 334 people for 2026 because right now, that's what I was calculating

938
01:24:38,010 --> 01:24:44,930
because from my understanding, we're on our, we're on pace for what? 90,000 hours of over time

939
01:24:44,930 --> 01:24:50,370
this year, which is roughly about 30,000 more than last year. I do not know the hours of

940
01:24:50,370 --> 01:24:55,350
something I had like that now. Okay. Yeah. And that's where we're starting, I'm really starting

941
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:59,930
question, because if we had those people hired, what would that have done?

942
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,760
You are over time. And the question I have is then what was the delay in the hiring that has created

943
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:10,580
this, we made a decision here, but we weren't tracking the ramifications of that decision,

944
01:25:10,740 --> 01:25:19,820
which has caused us to now have a 32 to 37,000 increase of 32,000. Yeah, increase in hours of over time,

945
01:25:20,060 --> 01:25:25,700
which roughly accounts to, I think, $5.5 million, extra spent that we weren't tracking or preparing for this year.

946
01:25:25,700 --> 01:25:31,200
Yeah, yeah, I know you've actually been the spreadsheets more than I have, but yeah, I've been

947
01:25:32,340 --> 01:25:43,860
The I think it was a consolation, you know, it was you know, we're being cautious, you know, on hiring those people and then, you know, the contract changed and

948
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:54,480
There's a lot to it. Yeah, the one thing that I will say is when we look at the overtime, we have about seven different forces that are playing into that which has created the the unfortunate

949
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:03,520
amount of extra money that we weren't planning on spending and my concern in this now is are we doing the same thing for next year and

950
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:09,400
What models and what data are we utilizing to ensure that we are not making a decision of being cautious up front

951
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:15,780
Which is going to end up costing us that much more later on because from everything that I'm seeing

952
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:21,960
Looking at the l and i chart going up looking at medical insurance looking at the CPI

953
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:26,920
you, looking at all of these forces, my biggest concern is we're going to be having this conversation

954
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:32,320
next year going we need to pause, but yet the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger

955
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:37,080
and there's going to come a point where that gap gets so much that we're not going to be able to

956
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:44,300
recover understood and that's why I mean that's why I'm saying we pause on these I'm saying

957
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:50,000
we I'm asking not to pause on the hiring I'm asking to lean into the hiring definitely agree with

958
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:55,760
hiring, but when it comes to the hiring in the 5.5, and we're not looking at the key other

959
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:02,720
aspects of that, where are we losing potential funding in the modeling, in the staffing,

960
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,940
because again, if a perfect example with the 5.5, what I saw in there was retirement,

961
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:12,740
I didn't see promotions. How many of we lost promotions? Because I think we higher typically

962
01:27:12,740 --> 01:27:19,740
10 per year, or at least I saw, we higher 10, but then we lose 11. And so that's again,

963
01:27:19,740 --> 01:27:22,820
are we taking this data point into account

964
01:27:22,820 --> 01:27:24,080
when we are making these models?

965
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,000
Because promotions take people,

966
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,340
especially when they're going into that higher rank,

967
01:27:28,980 --> 01:27:31,880
it's again, having us impact on our staffing.

968
01:27:32,780 --> 01:27:33,860
And I get it.

969
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:36,960
Staffing is critical because that 5.5 drives so much

970
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,800
of our overtime, which is a 1.5 increase in pay,

971
01:27:40,940 --> 01:27:43,080
which has a lot of impact on LNI

972
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,240
and all these other things.

973
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,540
But I'm just going through all of this.

974
01:27:47,540 --> 01:27:54,360
It has been really, really challenging and that's where I'm concerned that we're making decisions on assumptions and not data.

975
01:27:54,660 --> 01:28:08,200
Now, I'm not saying I know we're doing really good educated guesses, but I want to make sure that we are definitely making decisions on valid, confirmed accurate data.

976
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:16,180
I appreciate that. So, you're not wrong in any of that assessment. It's not even a finance problem as far as the finance department.

977
01:28:16,180 --> 01:28:21,620
it's not really their job to model and to look ahead at that. That is a data thing. And if anybody

978
01:28:21,620 --> 01:28:26,680
should have raised red flag on the 6 million, I'll take responsibility for that because I don't

979
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:32,520
have the team in place to keep up with that and just now are just in this last few weeks,

980
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:39,280
we've actually got most of that data in and it's just taking us so much longer to go through and

981
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:44,340
that that data to bring you accurate numbers because we just don't have the team in play. So so you're

982
01:28:44,340 --> 01:28:50,380
you're not wrong on that aspect and once again it's not a finance problem. It's it's a data

983
01:28:50,380 --> 01:28:56,280
problem. And until we get that short fixed up I can't get you quick data. But what I can't tell you

984
01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:01,980
is on the 6 million for sure there's a lot we can cut down hiring is the number one thing that would

985
01:29:01,980 --> 01:29:07,460
save that by a lot. But if we had to go ahead those numbers the second thing is if we can get ahead

986
01:29:07,460 --> 01:29:14,160
on predicting retirement and it puts some things into play with that we're going to save a ton of

987
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:20,000
over time. We can't get held at L and I and all that because people are out. But if I can predict it,

988
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:25,220
if I can predict a little bit of how many people might be eligible, take for instance next year,

989
01:29:25,420 --> 01:29:32,220
we know now we have 50 possible eligibility for retirement. I can't predict when they're going to go,

990
01:29:33,180 --> 01:29:37,980
but we have, but they're eligible. If all of them went at once, it'd be catastrophic. But if we had

991
01:29:37,980 --> 01:29:42,000
systems in play, where we could predict, have more predictability of when they're leading,

992
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,100
We can probably lower a little bit of the overtime on that, right?

993
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:45,760
Yeah.

994
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:50,500
And you bring up a great point because the red flags.

995
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,000
How many red flags are we missing today?

996
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:54,280
A lot.

997
01:29:54,820 --> 01:29:54,920
Yeah.

998
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,200
And that's a concern I have.

999
01:29:56,380 --> 01:29:58,860
Because again, the red flags are there.

1000
01:29:58,900 --> 01:29:59,960
The indications are there.

1001
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,120
The retirement. Those things are there. I'm certain. But the question is, is that it comes down to, are we approaching this

1002
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:12,900
with the right business model? And that's a hard thing to say. I'm having conversations with mayors and

1003
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:19,280
different people like that. And I'm not saying we aren't. I don't know. But again, with the way things

1004
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:29,980
are maneuvering in this ecosystem, with the way that we're seeing these different costs going up, with the way

1005
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:37,080
Can we sustain? Well, I will say this. I heard our chair speak about what is enough?

1006
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:41,860
When is the cost in our control? How much more do we need? He's not wrong. No, I agree.

1007
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:48,440
Easy. He's right. I mean, there is a price for everything, but I think there's some realistic things we need to look at.

1008
01:30:48,460 --> 01:30:59,960
And I don't think he would disagree with that. But I am going to support with the chair said, too. We need to be

1009
01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:06,280
going to my work within the human services, and I'll end with this, is when I was working

1010
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:10,740
in the human services, I saw a lot of people that were coming in with assumptions and then

1011
01:31:10,740 --> 01:31:13,340
finding data to make it to support the idea.

1012
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:18,600
And they didn't have, they weren't able to tell me where the data came from, they weren't able

1013
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,300
to tell me how it was defined, they weren't able to tell me how they measured it.

1014
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,980
And I'm not saying that's here, I'm talking in different organizations, but that is a something

1015
01:31:26,980 --> 01:31:32,920
I am seeing consistently through, and there's a lot of red flags going up across the entire ecosystem.

1016
01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:40,180
And I just want to make sure that we are doing everything to risk mitigate that, because

1017
01:31:40,180 --> 01:31:45,740
I would rather invest a little today to save us a lot tomorrow than save today and risk

1018
01:31:45,740 --> 01:31:46,900
the organization tomorrow.

1019
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:52,000
And I think we hear you on that loud and clear because I think we feel the same way.

1020
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:57,360
And I will tell you that you had an excellent meeting with Central Pears today in their

1021
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,220
chiefs, going over different solutions and ideas based upon the recent data we saw.

1022
01:32:02,580 --> 01:32:03,760
There's more to come on that.

1023
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:08,540
We will probably have a great discussion with the board on some fascinating things that we

1024
01:32:08,540 --> 01:32:13,200
have found that we can stop this money in this six million from dropping out of the bottom.

1025
01:32:13,740 --> 01:32:15,580
And I think we'll get there.

1026
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,900
Unfortunately, we didn't get there quick enough.

1027
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:21,960
So, yeah, and the question is, is it only six million?

1028
01:32:22,620 --> 01:32:23,620
Thank you.

1029
01:32:26,190 --> 01:32:26,730
I'm sure.

1030
01:32:27,310 --> 01:32:30,890
I just wanted to throw this some comments out there a lot about what you're saying in there.

1031
01:32:32,230 --> 01:32:37,530
20 years ago, 10 years ago, it was pretty simple to sit there and say if we don't have enough

1032
01:32:37,530 --> 01:32:42,690
people working, it was 4.58, 3 at the time instead of 5.55, we didn't have enough people,

1033
01:32:42,810 --> 01:32:49,030
we hired people over 10 one away. I look at today being there so many different parameters that are

1034
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:54,090
Now, just like you're saying about red flags, I believe we have significant long term

1035
01:32:54,090 --> 01:32:56,750
L and I disability today that we never had the past.

1036
01:32:57,610 --> 01:33:03,550
We have different factors, PTSD this afternoon that we never had in the past.

1037
01:33:04,090 --> 01:33:09,830
I know when we looked at L and I years ago, our biggest hit on L and I was at first three days,

1038
01:33:10,230 --> 01:33:12,050
basically what they would go on it.

1039
01:33:12,410 --> 01:33:16,290
And they threw it at it and gone three days and right after that, we went ahead and did like a week

1040
01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:19,070
where we never even applied for L&I,

1041
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:21,250
and just covered them with time off,

1042
01:33:21,930 --> 01:33:22,970
and they were back to work,

1043
01:33:23,050 --> 01:33:24,550
and it never got affected in our,

1044
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:25,790
we stayed at the base rate.

1045
01:33:26,250 --> 01:33:28,250
Today we don't know why,

1046
01:33:28,490 --> 01:33:29,770
because we don't have the resources.

1047
01:33:30,370 --> 01:33:32,270
It's not quite an answer, like you say, it's data.

1048
01:33:32,930 --> 01:33:34,950
We don't have the information out there,

1049
01:33:35,470 --> 01:33:37,350
and I think the data we're getting a day,

1050
01:33:37,650 --> 01:33:40,190
I wanna stay as true, but we don't know.

1051
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:42,750
We don't know how accurate the stuff is.

1052
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:46,110
It's not scrubbed if you wanna call it before we get it.

1053
01:33:46,110 --> 01:33:51,410
so we assume it's true. I believe it is, but I can't tell you for sure that it is because we don't have a

1054
01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:58,910
queen coming in. Thank you for that. And there's there's more things that are presumptive now

1055
01:33:58,910 --> 01:34:07,770
and there there are laws where we can't ask whereas before those three days we we're not

1056
01:34:07,770 --> 01:34:16,530
allowed to ask so we don't even know so it's more complicated and we're more blind to what we can do

1057
01:34:17,490 --> 01:34:26,110
to solve it. But we're actually brainstorming, we're seriously brainstorming some ideas to work on it,

1058
01:34:26,410 --> 01:34:32,610
and then we take and say, what's legal, what's plausible to do. So we're not just sitting back

1059
01:34:33,410 --> 01:34:38,220
and waiting on this. We are looking at what are options, what could we do to mitigate it?

1060
01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:43,450
I totally agree with you doing that. It just goes back to there's only a couple of you. It

1061
01:34:43,450 --> 01:34:48,570
almost go back to what she vendors and saying we don't have the data people to get the

1062
01:34:48,570 --> 01:34:54,050
information to get to you to make decisions. And that's true. Yeah. Other questions, you

1063
01:34:54,050 --> 01:34:59,570
comments on the budget piece? Yeah. Well, I kind of agree with.

1064
01:35:00,660 --> 01:35:12,420
Commissioner Wooderson here, when I started, it was 4.3, 4.5, that was very good. Now, we got to sunny, jump to 5.5. I have real difficult to accept that, right?

1065
01:35:12,980 --> 01:35:30,520
But at the same time, you can see strings 42%, PDS 34%, that's a huge number, so we got to resolve this. How do we, there's a closet now, how do you, I'm not saying whatever it is, but sometimes you have to.

1066
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,940
for the sake of the taxpayer, right?

1067
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,720
We have to say, is that real, is that not what is it?

1068
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,500
A lot of the time you have to confront this,

1069
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,200
I can say that a good example, maybe certain claims

1070
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,300
are not really as it is, so with that, you know,

1071
01:35:46,460 --> 01:35:47,520
people are aware of it.

1072
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,780
I'm just saying that this is very difficult,

1073
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:55,260
and then the airline thing is really way out of things.

1074
01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:57,040
So we have to have some kind of prevention

1075
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:58,260
to do that.

1076
01:35:58,260 --> 01:36:00,900
in the morning, no matter what data you're trying to get,

1077
01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:03,720
but it is the real thing that would be done right away.

1078
01:36:04,180 --> 01:36:07,320
But I do appreciate you using a squat thing, right?

1079
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,640
I think, actually, most of the Asian country,

1080
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,680
now, throughout the big city, they're all using squat.

1081
01:36:14,780 --> 01:36:17,160
Narrow streets and all of that stuff.

1082
01:36:18,380 --> 01:36:22,300
And then another thing is that we can not just say that

1083
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:29,300
we can be responsible for the time and the artists that we

1084
01:36:29,300 --> 01:36:35,140
I have to, you know, is the taxpayer willing to pay, I mean, if I want, I can't, I'd like

1085
01:36:35,140 --> 01:36:38,560
to respond in three minutes, but is that reality, right?

1086
01:36:38,980 --> 01:36:47,600
So we got to be, do the best we can, and to do it, not really have, you know, I think Commissioner

1087
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:55,740
Kenny said one time, you know, what do we, you know, just to be cause a myth that thing,

1088
01:36:55,740 --> 01:37:03,020
Then we would do whatever because, again, you know, your service is not something is magically,

1089
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:11,860
you know, you can cure it, right, because nobody can predict how many accidents and

1090
01:37:11,860 --> 01:37:13,960
artists have been very difficult for us.

1091
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:21,440
We may have to sometimes say certain situations, we may not, but I have to say this is a challenge,

1092
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:31,080
But I, I, I re-encouraging on the squad and also the backfuel station, don't be one of the, don't be one of the, don't be one of the five

1093
01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:41,460
station, right? Ranting a place, you know, then we can move around because you know how much cost, just to be a station. By the time we finished five

1094
01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:50,320
years in my location, I may not even there, right? So let's, I'm going, you're thinking ahead

1095
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:56,760
and smart way to do it, not a whole tradition away. Thank you very much. I appreciate the feedback.

1096
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:04,260
Chief, I just had one kind of a more narrow question, and that is part of our budget

1097
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:11,320
presentations. I'd like to, and I don't know if it's for the whole border just for me, but I'd

1098
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:19,460
have a conversation about the deployment of the letter trucks and the squad idea that you

1099
01:38:19,460 --> 01:38:25,960
are coming up with because I don't know that we have talked more broadly any time recently

1100
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:33,700
about how we deploy our letter trucks and you are really talking about modification to that in

1101
01:38:33,700 --> 01:38:41,220
ways to save them in different ways. So I think it's worth a worth a conversation around where what

1102
01:38:41,220 --> 01:39:01,620
the future of that and are we, you know, from time to time talking about how we deploy big assets like that is it's worth a conversation and as we're as your it's becoming apparent to me you've definitely want to move forward in the squad idea it's worth a conversation around what does that mean and how and why are we deploying or

1103
01:39:01,620 --> 01:39:04,780
our ladder trucks as we look into the future.

1104
01:39:05,540 --> 01:39:07,100
Yeah, we'd be happy to do that.

1105
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,860
I see, I know Chief Shutta, I'll find his team

1106
01:39:09,860 --> 01:39:12,880
are looking at our, cause from time to time,

1107
01:39:13,020 --> 01:39:15,620
we look, are our ladders in the right spots.

1108
01:39:16,340 --> 01:39:19,120
And I remember years ago with city gate,

1109
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:23,550
I guess I'm just giving you a flavor.

1110
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:28,510
I remember that we realized we had some of our ladders

1111
01:39:29,050 --> 01:39:31,270
closest to where we had the most fires

1112
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:34,530
and a ladder should really be coming in second do.

1113
01:39:35,170 --> 01:39:38,990
So they have to be strategically located in our busiest areas

1114
01:39:38,990 --> 01:39:40,370
and now we're starting to go vertical.

1115
01:39:40,670 --> 01:39:43,870
So our ladders are very different than when we did the city gate studies.

1116
01:39:44,570 --> 01:39:49,390
But not necessarily wanting them in a first-to-fire area you want them to

1117
01:39:49,390 --> 01:39:50,230
come in second do.

1118
01:39:50,510 --> 01:39:53,570
So there's definitely some strategy and science behind

1119
01:39:53,570 --> 01:39:56,530
a low-caying the ladders making sure

1120
01:39:56,530 --> 01:39:59,950
with earthquake that we at least have maybe some on both sides.

1121
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:11,460
So I'm sure John can come back and give you. They've actually been working on that subject for the future of our latter location.

1122
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:21,200
So I'm sure you'd be happy to come back and then we can layer in how the squad compliments the effectiveness of that force.

1123
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:23,920
It sounds good.

1124
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:25,020
Okay.

1125
01:40:25,940 --> 01:40:27,720
Anything else on the budget issue?

1126
01:40:28,140 --> 01:40:34,160
If not, we have reached our little bit beyond our usual break time for the board.

1127
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:41,680
So why don't we go ahead and take our 10 minute break or so until I don't know about eight minutes to nine.

1128
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:45,940
And then we're going to pick up with our next subject, which is Commissioner budget presentation.

1129
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:52,380
in the next subject area, which is back on the agenda at 10D, which is the commissioner,

1130
01:41:52,380 --> 01:41:56,760
27 commissioner budget presentation for discussion.

1131
01:41:58,440 --> 01:42:01,440
Well, I will not be a Debbie Downer.

1132
01:42:02,340 --> 01:42:09,760
You are seeing the same thing that you saw last meeting, and sorry guys.

1133
01:42:11,260 --> 01:42:13,200
Just had to say it.

1134
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:19,060
And just giving you another opportunity to take a look at what's presented here.

1135
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,240
I think I mentioned to you that there was

1136
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:30,240
a little bit of an increase in some of the in the training area. I know that Chair Kenny

1137
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:38,600
had mentioned last meeting about whether or not the CFSI travel and registrations were included.

1138
01:42:38,900 --> 01:42:46,200
There is money in here, but I would like to make sure that the commissioners, if you know

1139
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,540
that you would like to go and how many of you would like to go would be nice to know ahead of time

1140
01:42:50,540 --> 01:42:59,640
because I priced it out, and it is going to be approximately $2,500 a person. All in registration

1141
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:06,900
travel, lodging, so it would be nice to make sure that you are aware of that.

1142
01:43:09,310 --> 01:43:14,850
Okay. Any questions, comments, thoughts around Commissioner Budget Commissioner?

1143
01:43:16,110 --> 01:43:16,990
Thank you.

1144
01:43:17,090 --> 01:43:26,850
One of the comments I had would be about Washington, D.C. and the grant application going down that road specifically the safer grant.

1145
01:43:26,970 --> 01:43:32,810
Part of it's going out there to the congressional fire of service institute, another just be going out there to visit our own people.

1146
01:43:33,070 --> 01:43:39,350
It's been very successful in the past of Dell without. The safer grant can probably bring us in about $13 million.

1147
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:45,150
It's designed for info stations, so it's something that I want to prepare for today.

1148
01:43:45,330 --> 01:43:49,850
It would be after November to see what the results are, but it would be something I think we need to talk about after November.

1149
01:43:50,670 --> 01:43:55,370
So we may want to look at many and introduce something to get back there a little bit more often.

1150
01:43:56,270 --> 01:44:02,570
Commissioner Wooder, say you're suggesting, like, because I think that the CFSI chief, I want to say,

1151
01:44:02,570 --> 01:44:09,830
is blank and ship the end of February is actually significantly earlier than last year. It

1152
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:17,550
is the 15th through the 19th of February. Room reservations are open. Everything is open already.

1153
01:44:17,870 --> 01:44:24,550
So we need to probably act. But my question to come into your wishes. Are you talking about more

1154
01:44:25,930 --> 01:44:31,050
than just that? Because we were last time we were talking about that. That brings us there. And then

1155
01:44:31,050 --> 01:44:36,530
went out there or what a year ago with Western fire chiefs and one of the fallbacks I see with

1156
01:44:36,530 --> 01:44:41,750
both of those is your with the group of people. And it was the point where when we're with the

1157
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:47,450
Western we're there with a state fire chief president we're there with this Seattle chief and

1158
01:44:47,450 --> 01:44:54,190
our we're talking a common theme versus a far story and so we got to get out there and talk about

1159
01:44:54,190 --> 01:44:59,690
our story when there's nobody else out there not when it's everybody piled on. So it's just something

1160
01:44:59,690 --> 01:44:59,970
We want to open.

1161
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,020
What can I think we should talk about? Again, I don't think there's a hurry, it's just a portion I'm seeing.

1162
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:11,120
See how it goes in November before we need to go there. But there is an avenue, and that money is still being funded.

1163
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:16,920
It's still coming in there, and there's a lot of agencies to get it. Again, it's not for every funding.

1164
01:45:17,740 --> 01:45:21,300
You know, we've talked about for the years, and we've never done it because we don't want to do it in way people off,

1165
01:45:21,340 --> 01:45:26,920
but if we're putting the stations together in Phil stations, and that's specifically with the safer grants about now,

1166
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:33,780
stations in, region 1710 requirements. So there is funds out there. I believe it's like

1167
01:45:33,780 --> 01:45:39,380
75,000 per year for the first two years for a firefighter in the drops to 35 and that's

1168
01:45:39,380 --> 01:45:46,040
all you get. But it's still 13 going. So somebody will look at it. So again, I don't think we need to

1169
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:50,780
modify anything or doing anything now, it's just a conversation that, okay. So you don't say to me next

1170
01:45:50,780 --> 01:45:52,480
you're going to bring it up a bunch of times.

1171
01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:53,460
And there you go.

1172
01:45:53,580 --> 01:45:54,140
Fair enough.

1173
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:54,760
Fair enough.

1174
01:45:56,160 --> 01:46:04,740
But do we have, I guess, so not trying to plan for something other than CFSI, but for CFSI,

1175
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:06,080
do we have enough in there?

1176
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:06,970
Let's say three.

1177
01:46:08,180 --> 01:46:08,460
The mission.

1178
01:46:08,780 --> 01:46:11,220
If I had to guess, if you asked me,

1179
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:12,380
Jim, how many are going?

1180
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,140
I would say three from board.

1181
01:46:14,140 --> 01:46:16,280
If I had to get, that's what I would plan for.

1182
01:46:16,440 --> 01:46:17,660
Do we have enough for three in there?

1183
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:18,240
We do.

1184
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:24,700
And I believe that's how many went last year, or Commissioner Walkerman did you go as well?

1185
01:46:25,220 --> 01:46:31,460
You didn't. Okay. So it was Commissioner Roland, Commissioner Witness, and Commissioner Chan. So we did have three last year.

1186
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,120
Yeah. And we were okay. But there's enough in there for this.

1187
01:46:34,420 --> 01:46:40,420
Yes, correct. Okay. So with three in there and not like specifically planning for something else,

1188
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:44,780
I think we've got it covered then in what you have in front of you is the current budget.

1189
01:46:44,780 --> 01:46:56,420
Yes, and there also is $10,000 that has carried over or that's been added every year for a retreat facilitator that we have not used.

1190
01:46:57,620 --> 01:47:00,040
So that's a consideration as well.

1191
01:47:00,100 --> 01:47:08,200
I know we have spoken in the past about potentially having a retreat because we will have a new commissioner.

1192
01:47:10,420 --> 01:47:20,060
and including the liaison, the new liaison, so that's something to consider as well, that is still in the budget being proposed in budget.

1193
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,920
I re-support that because we never really have a commission.

1194
01:47:26,180 --> 01:47:29,120
So, you know, finding out and everything else.

1195
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:35,420
So, I mean, yeah, I don't want to support that.

1196
01:47:37,690 --> 01:47:48,570
Okay, now anything else then for the commissioners budget otherwise I think we are pretty well set on it and we likely won't have it back before the board before final approval of the

1197
01:47:49,230 --> 01:47:54,730
of the budget later in the fall. Of course you can bring it back at any time, but just in our normal review of items.

1198
01:47:57,220 --> 01:48:03,160
Okay, great. Thank you. And thank you Ms. Blinken for working on that.

1199
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:11,440
All right, that moves us forward in the agenda then to item we're into item 11 new business on the agenda 11 a which is

1200
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:13,900
Drown as first responder

1201
01:48:14,620 --> 01:48:21,860
Chief Heller and this is for discussion or is it chief Curtis chief Curtis. Good evening chief Curtis

1202
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:27,560
Good evening board chair commissioners guests and liaison

1203
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:34,740
Unfortunately, I'm not there in person tonight, so I apologize that I'm coming to you remote

1204
01:48:34,740 --> 01:48:41,480
from actually a drone conference learning about drones and how they apply for South County

1205
01:48:41,480 --> 01:48:42,000
Fire.

1206
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:48,420
But I'm here to share some information about a good opportunity, a great opportunity that

1207
01:48:48,420 --> 01:48:55,200
presented with the Sheriff's Department, to partner on a drone first responder program in

1208
01:48:55,200 --> 01:49:02,560
proof of concept operation for a month, the period of time is from September 14th to October 11th.

1209
01:49:02,700 --> 01:49:10,240
This is a great opportunity for us to bed out a program where drones can respond autonomously from remote

1210
01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:17,680
the Ox and my colleague Deputy Chief Heller and I worked collaboratively with Snow 911 and

1211
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:22,400
Sheriff's Office and identified two locations in the Sheriff's Office response area,

1212
01:49:22,540 --> 01:49:25,900
specifically station 21 and headquarters.

1213
01:49:26,940 --> 01:49:37,620
In order to do this, we're asking for your consideration as we deliver this program and work

1214
01:49:37,620 --> 01:49:43,580
in participation together, which we need to have a agreement, a temporary agreement in place with

1215
01:49:43,580 --> 01:49:49,920
the sheriff's office. So this is not for board action tonight. It's just information and

1216
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:56,760
to queue up any questions or concerns that the board may have, but this would be a property

1217
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:59,960
access agreement between the three entities that I

1218
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:11,200
And it has been through legal and it has been a reviewed and we're in the final stages of signing that document right now pending tonight's meeting.

1219
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:18,600
So with that, I'll pause and allow you an opportunity ask questions or make some comments. Thank you.

1220
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:24,280
your phone off. Go ahead. Yeah, I just want to thank Chief Curtis for essentially giving my report for

1221
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:29,480
Snow 911. So that was that was a big highlight. So thank you, sir. Oh, thank you.

1222
01:50:31,340 --> 01:50:36,140
Oh, I'm sorry. Commissioner Chan, go ahead. Oh, I just have question. So, but the operators,

1223
01:50:36,460 --> 01:50:43,580
you as Snow 911, right? You just, there's a drone will be here. Oh, do they have to stay here?

1224
01:50:44,140 --> 01:50:50,240
Yes, that's a great question. Commissioner Chan is the pilots will be operating the drones

1225
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:57,380
remotely from snow 911 and what they call a real-time center, real-time information center.

1226
01:50:58,300 --> 01:51:03,160
And the drones will physically be at the two locations, station 21 and headquarters.

1227
01:51:04,620 --> 01:51:08,860
Oh, okay. No, that's critical because they were right there. They can react.

1228
01:51:09,260 --> 01:51:14,500
And also look at the call and do the whole thing and be more controlled there.

1229
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:18,640
Yeah. And that's actually a very good distinction commissioner,

1230
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:26,200
and for the board to consider as the drone program has evolved from flying what we would call patrol

1231
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:32,920
lead, DFR, where basically the pilot would deploy a drone from the trunk of their vehicle

1232
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:42,320
to now autonomous drones that are remotely controlled at specific locations. And we have a waiver

1233
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:52,380
place with the FAA that allows us to fly throughout the whole RFA remotely from a remote location.

1234
01:51:52,860 --> 01:52:00,900
So in concept, anyone with the laptop can fly over the 5G cellular network.

1235
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,360
So just drone by 911.

1236
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:10,900
These particular drones, and you know, I could turn it over to my colleague,

1237
01:52:10,900 --> 01:52:17,460
Andrew Heller, who can speak a little more in depth on that, he may have some more information.

1238
01:52:17,700 --> 01:52:24,400
And if you give us a second, we're in the same room together, so I'm going to mute and turn down my volume.

1239
01:52:32,630 --> 01:52:42,050
Hello, commissioners and staff. The drones, which we'll be using for this trial period, are on loan from Skydeo, the manufacturer.

1240
01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:45,610
So we won't be purchasing these docks or these drones.

1241
01:52:47,470 --> 01:52:54,650
I'm looking, because when I was a snowing, we talked about that a little bit, so is any

1242
01:52:54,650 --> 01:53:01,730
if any people who challenges a privacy and all this stuff, are we so county fire would

1243
01:53:01,730 --> 01:53:09,090
be out of it or are you just really sure they're the one who could probably speak to that

1244
01:53:09,090 --> 01:53:11,210
commissioner as far as the lease agreement?

1245
01:53:11,210 --> 01:53:16,410
And we have a whole, we have a clause in there for no, for a whole harmless.

1246
01:53:17,230 --> 01:53:22,370
So we're not, we're not liable for that, and legal went through that to specifically specify

1247
01:53:22,370 --> 01:53:23,010
that.

1248
01:53:23,290 --> 01:53:23,370
Okay.

1249
01:53:24,970 --> 01:53:25,030
Good.

1250
01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:26,990
Make sure I walk on that.

1251
01:53:27,310 --> 01:53:28,390
Yeah, I'm curious.

1252
01:53:29,290 --> 01:53:31,230
One is with this partnership.

1253
01:53:31,850 --> 01:53:33,690
What are we defining success in?

1254
01:53:33,690 --> 01:53:35,230
What are we hoping to learn from it?

1255
01:53:35,550 --> 01:53:39,010
How does this improve and impact the organization?

1256
01:53:39,010 --> 01:53:40,130
So,

1257
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:49,720
to answer your question, and I'd like to back up for real quick to answer Commissioner

1258
01:53:50,820 --> 01:53:56,940
Chan's observation is, at this point, our Part 107 pilots have chosen not to participate

1259
01:53:56,940 --> 01:54:04,600
in any law enforcement missions, Overwatch, Officer Safety, or anything along those lines

1260
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:08,760
that would subject us to a vision of privacy concerns.

1261
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:23,520
So that is a conscious decision that we have made and we will exclude ourselves from law enforcement missions and at this point we don't have any intent of flying to address the privacy concerns and that will separate

1262
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:28,280
because of separation between us and the program.

1263
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:34,080
The benchmarks that we're trying to establish Commissioner

1264
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:39,860
Wawkelman is we're looking for some measured success on response times

1265
01:54:40,700 --> 01:54:46,480
for a high-acuity calls, structure fires, where we can have a drone

1266
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:52,060
respond within minutes while crews are still in the stages of turning out,

1267
01:54:52,620 --> 01:54:59,960
Bunk, bunking up, starting their vehicles and responding, we don't have to wait for traffic, we fly right over that and

1268
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:13,980
I believe our altitude will be about 200 feet under our waiver. So our benchmarks that we're looking for is based on over from

1269
01:55:13,980 --> 01:55:24,560
launch point to on-scene time, we want to see if we can reduce wheel turns, if we can reduce

1270
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:34,680
unit utilization hours, and how that would impact the overall picture of relieving some

1271
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:40,880
of our crews of the wheel turns and call volume. In other words, if we get on scene of a

1272
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:48,720
with a drone, and we have a trained responder, either observing it, or piloting on a fire call.

1273
01:55:49,540 --> 01:55:58,480
We should be able to perform what we would call a 360-degree size up or increase our situational awareness.

1274
01:55:59,620 --> 01:56:04,780
And start transmitting that information via video.

1275
01:56:04,780 --> 01:56:13,760
And we may have communications with the incident commander and start to maybe reduce that alarm response.

1276
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:19,980
If we find out that it's actually just a barbecue grill versus a potential structure fire.

1277
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:21,900
Is that answer your question Commissioner Wankman?

1278
01:56:22,740 --> 01:56:32,660
Yeah, it does. It actually gives me, I guess you call it a flashback to when Boeing and the military work together to have drone footage

1279
01:56:32,660 --> 01:57:01,440
Well, we could control the drones, we could fly the drones, we could operate the drones from the front seat of an Apache, where it's, you know, a hundred K's in front of us as we're responding to a troops and contact, to gain situational awareness and help the air weapons team basically deploy into a situation more effectively more efficiently. And so I definitely see some positive in that. And thank you for that answer.

1280
01:57:05,700 --> 01:57:15,360
I did have a question in looking at the photos here about security, and so I guess I wasn't clear that it's just a 30 day test.

1281
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:28,570
Sorry, you know, approximately 30 days. So I don't know that that's a big issue, but if there was going to be something longer term, I would think that we would want to have something more.

1282
01:57:28,570 --> 01:57:33,150
I don't know if these pictures are accurately reflect what the security may or may not look

1283
01:57:33,150 --> 01:57:43,150
like for these deployment docks but they could be attractive items and I don't know how heavy

1284
01:57:43,150 --> 01:57:55,300
those are but it looks like myself and maybe you know a doll or something I could lift that up and

1285
01:57:55,300 --> 01:57:57,720
take it away and sell it somewhere.

1286
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:00,560
So I'm just, you know, when I see that,

1287
01:58:00,660 --> 01:58:02,660
I think that should really be on the roof

1288
01:58:02,660 --> 01:58:05,720
or in the behind some kind of a secured gate.

1289
01:58:06,500 --> 01:58:09,480
So, you know, for a month, I don't think it's a big issue,

1290
01:58:09,580 --> 01:58:11,900
but if it was gonna end up being longer term,

1291
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,500
this might want to think a little bit more about security

1292
01:58:15,620 --> 01:58:17,180
for those attractive items.

1293
01:58:19,460 --> 01:58:22,840
But these are gonna be flown by Snow 911.

1294
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:25,040
one, is that correct on?

1295
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:29,340
So how much can a sheriff's office missions or calls, is that?

1296
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:30,620
Yes, sir.

1297
01:58:30,700 --> 01:58:32,580
Oh, my, yeah, go ahead to enter.

1298
01:58:32,980 --> 01:58:37,880
To answer your first, or to answer your comment,

1299
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:39,740
or to discuss your comment about security,

1300
01:58:41,140 --> 01:58:43,740
these typically are installed on rooftops,

1301
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:46,540
because this is just a temporary installation.

1302
01:58:46,700 --> 01:58:47,860
These will be on the ground.

1303
01:58:48,580 --> 01:58:51,540
The reason why we have chosen station 21

1304
01:58:51,540 --> 01:58:58,610
and headquarters is because we do have this secured area. So that's why we've chosen these to places to

1305
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:00,300
place our drones.

1306
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:06,090
To what was the next point? Where are we going next?

1307
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:12,000
Home is flown by snow and I want on snow. Home is kind of sure of softest calls.

1308
01:59:12,420 --> 01:59:20,060
Yes, right now with the real-time information center, SESO has offered to pilot the drones

1309
01:59:20,060 --> 01:59:24,240
in addition to snow 911 pilots as well.

1310
01:59:26,740 --> 01:59:29,820
Great. Other questions, comments?

1311
01:59:32,530 --> 01:59:33,950
So chief, what do you need from us tonight?

1312
01:59:34,150 --> 01:59:35,510
I know this is on for discussion.

1313
01:59:36,370 --> 01:59:37,810
Nothing more.

1314
01:59:38,390 --> 01:59:40,650
We don't need any action at all tonight.

1315
01:59:41,570 --> 01:59:45,110
This is just us kind of informing you

1316
01:59:45,110 --> 01:59:48,350
and at a later date when we get a formal Isle,

1317
01:59:48,450 --> 01:59:51,330
then we'll need to bring more in, get more detailed,

1318
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:53,150
and then discuss with the board

1319
01:59:53,150 --> 01:59:58,310
if they want to engage in a longer term agreement if this trial period actually is successful

1320
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:59,970
and produces what they want to see.

1321
02:00:00,620 --> 02:00:05,940
Great. All right. Well, thank you and thank you for the information. Interesting.

1322
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:20,600
All right. That moves us forward in the agenda then to item 11B, which is national disaster prepared, mispreparedness, month resolution for adoption. And this is with director, really.

1323
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:28,860
Thank you, commissioners. We've been talking about this a little bit already tonight. You know, disasters can strike our community without warning.

1324
02:00:28,860 --> 02:00:36,760
They can affect our response, they can affect our residents' lives, and preparing for disasters

1325
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:39,640
can change the outcome for people.

1326
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:46,620
We have a couple of ways that we're really invested in helping people prepare for disasters.

1327
02:00:47,340 --> 02:00:50,300
We have a free online class that's one hour long.

1328
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:51,560
You can sign up right now.

1329
02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:54,900
You can take it tonight in the comfort of your own home, if anybody's off their listening.

1330
02:00:54,900 --> 02:00:59,000
and then we also offer a cert program to help people prepare for disasters.

1331
02:01:00,180 --> 02:01:05,680
September is disaster preparedness month and so we want to recognize that tonight and

1332
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:11,180
just take note of the people who are helping our community prepare.

1333
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:14,260
Laurel Sprig, who's recognized here earlier tonight.

1334
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:19,520
Sean Rguzman, Megan LeBlanc, they all make up the outreach team and all take part in helping

1335
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:26,080
prepare our community for disasters. Before you, you have a proclamation that declare September

1336
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:31,820
as national preparedness month, and we would ask the board adopt that proclamation in order

1337
02:01:31,820 --> 02:01:39,020
to recognize this important time. Any general questions from the board members for director Vali or

1338
02:01:39,020 --> 02:01:47,760
the chief about the issue? If not, I'll move the adoption of resolution to 09102026-21,

1339
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:52,300
uh... recognize national preparedness month twenty twenty six

1340
02:01:52,300 --> 02:01:53,180
that was a second

1341
02:01:53,940 --> 02:01:57,160
that was a commissioner for a half

1342
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:00,260
second by commissioner for an off

1343
02:02:00,260 --> 02:02:01,580
on the resolution

1344
02:02:02,940 --> 02:02:06,980
uh... is there discussion on the motion

1345
02:02:06,980 --> 02:02:12,120
and i would just note that the resolution ends with uh... the resolved portion is resolved

1346
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:15,280
that the self-county fire self-county board of commissioners

1347
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:30,700
Hereby recognize the September as National Preparedness Month and encourages community members to learn more about disaster preparedness and take advantage of free preparedness resources and online learning opportunities available through South County for.

1348
02:02:31,460 --> 02:02:35,460
Any other discussion if not move to a vote on favor please say aye.

1349
02:02:35,460 --> 02:02:35,880
Aye.

1350
02:02:36,320 --> 02:02:38,780
Any opposed passes unanimously.

1351
02:02:39,780 --> 02:02:40,020
Great.

1352
02:02:40,340 --> 02:02:41,200
Thank you.

1353
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:41,820
Thank you.

1354
02:02:41,820 --> 02:02:58,960
All right, that moves us forward in the agenda to item 11C, which is Patriot Day and National Day of Service and Remembrance Resolution for Adduction, and this is at page, starting at page 58 of the packet, Director V-Lay.

1355
02:02:59,500 --> 02:03:04,600
Thank you. This year marks 25 years since September 11, 2001.

1356
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:10,220
and we will again be hosting in partnership with the local 1828.

1357
02:03:10,380 --> 02:03:18,600
We'll be hosting a rememberant ceremony outside of downtown administration 17 at the 911 Memorial.

1358
02:03:19,980 --> 02:03:27,960
That will begin at 911 AM on Friday, September 11th and it will feature the South County Honor Guard and Edmund's Mayor Mike Rose.

1359
02:03:27,960 --> 02:03:34,780
will also be there to speak. This is an important day for firefighters and law enforcement to

1360
02:03:34,780 --> 02:03:41,100
continue remembering we do think the efforts of retired South County firefighter David

1361
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:49,180
Bronco Erickson who spends his time every year. He volunteers his time to put this ceremony

1362
02:03:49,180 --> 02:03:57,940
together and so we appreciate those efforts of him to keep this ceremony going and the

1363
02:03:57,940 --> 02:04:04,040
have another proclamation before you to declare the Patriot Day a national day of service

1364
02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:08,940
and remember it and we do ask the board that adopt that proclamation.

1365
02:04:10,580 --> 02:04:14,100
Any questions generally from the board for Dr. Billy?

1366
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:19,760
Commissioner Chen? I just didn't even comment. I can't believe it's 25 years ago.

1367
02:04:20,220 --> 02:04:26,060
But I, which is very important, I still remember we, we bought the whole steel back in here and what

1368
02:04:26,060 --> 02:04:32,700
to do so. I'm encouraging our commission to go to staff for the memorial service.

1369
02:04:34,820 --> 02:04:41,720
Any other general questions? If not, I'll move the adoption of Resolution 0901-2026-20.

1370
02:04:42,220 --> 02:04:45,560
Patriot Day and National Day of Service and Remembrance Proclamation.

1371
02:04:46,340 --> 02:04:47,620
Seconded by Commissioner Welcomeman.

1372
02:04:47,700 --> 02:04:51,480
We've been moving the seconded to adopt that resolution, which concludes with now, therefore,

1373
02:04:51,700 --> 02:04:54,220
be it proclaimed by the South County Fire Board of Commissioners.

1374
02:04:54,220 --> 02:04:59,960
25 years later, we pay tribute to and remember all who lost their lives as a result of the terrorist attack.

1375
02:05:04,740 --> 02:05:06,080
Mr. Speaker.

1376
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:14,920
Any other discussion on the motion?

1377
02:05:29,770 --> 02:05:32,330
If not, we'll move to a vote.

1378
02:05:32,330 --> 02:05:39,210
updates and that starts first with Capitol facilities. Commissioner Walker. Our next meeting is on Monday.

1379
02:05:39,850 --> 02:05:44,830
We'll continue to have conversations about the bond and really appreciate everything the team is doing.

1380
02:05:46,510 --> 02:05:51,590
Great. Thank you. Second is finance and human resources commissioner Chan.

1381
02:05:52,290 --> 02:05:56,710
Yeah, we're going to move the meeting on next week, Thursday.

1382
02:05:58,690 --> 02:06:07,250
because CFO have a on the foot week. He's moving his son to a new dormitory. That's

1383
02:06:07,250 --> 02:06:10,750
which is one point. Thank you.

1384
02:06:10,890 --> 02:06:15,710
Thank you. Next up third is Intergovernmental Commissioner. What is?

1385
02:06:15,710 --> 02:06:24,950
Had a meeting last week I did not attempt if anybody wants to bring that up. I was on

1386
02:06:24,950 --> 02:06:31,370
that we had a great meeting was updated on some key conversations that we're having throughout

1387
02:06:31,370 --> 02:06:38,850
the RFA and just really appreciate everything that the team is doing to continue those

1388
02:06:38,850 --> 02:06:47,430
conversations communicate with our community leaders and just create a strong relationship

1389
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:49,010
listening to their needs.

1390
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:55,130
Okay, great. Thank you. And then lastly, fourth is snow 911 commissioner for an hour.

1391
02:06:55,530 --> 02:07:01,530
Yeah, as the discussion around the drones was probably one of the biggest highlights

1392
02:07:01,530 --> 02:07:07,910
beyond some of the budget issues for snow 911. I did raise the question about jurisdiction

1393
02:07:08,510 --> 02:07:15,850
on acceptance of drone usage and the sheriff indicated that all of the proper agreements

1394
02:07:15,850 --> 02:07:20,810
we're in place with the jurisdictions that they would be flying over from the city point of view

1395
02:07:20,810 --> 02:07:26,350
and that those concerns were addressed. So, other net, nothing else to report?

1396
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:32,070
Great, thank you. That moves us forward to item 13, which is Commissioner

1397
02:07:32,070 --> 02:07:38,690
comments, any Commissioner comments? I believe everybody know where my Cooper's passing, but they

1398
02:07:38,690 --> 02:07:44,570
scheduled services for the 26 September, it's on us at our date on all of you.

1399
02:07:44,570 --> 02:07:45,350
He's in buddy's career.

1400
02:07:46,890 --> 02:07:46,990
Yeah, crazy.

1401
02:07:46,990 --> 02:07:47,710
Oh, send it to you.

1402
02:07:47,770 --> 02:07:49,910
I plan to go on to it.

1403
02:07:50,310 --> 02:07:54,070
Well, state representative Cooper, county council member Cooper.

1404
02:07:54,250 --> 02:07:59,550
Mayor Cooper was a good friend to South County fire over the years in different ways

1405
02:07:59,550 --> 02:08:02,050
and supportive of South County fire.

1406
02:08:02,590 --> 02:08:05,650
So he retired and moved out of the area.

1407
02:08:07,810 --> 02:08:13,630
And we remember his passing and his good influence on South County fire over the years.

1408
02:08:13,630 --> 02:08:20,510
So that's sad to hear that his passing, but he was not only worked in the fire service,

1409
02:08:20,850 --> 02:08:24,830
but he helped the fire service in various ways and his elected positions.

1410
02:08:25,390 --> 02:08:27,830
And his daughter did work for us for some of your students.

1411
02:08:28,270 --> 02:08:28,710
Yes, yes, indeed.

1412
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:29,690
That's what she did.

1413
02:08:30,550 --> 02:08:30,950
For the boy.

1414
02:08:31,690 --> 02:08:38,510
But I think it was amazing that I think I forgot the wood city she moved to, but he was still a council.

1415
02:08:39,970 --> 02:08:40,170
Yeah.

1416
02:08:41,290 --> 02:08:43,470
Alma, and he'd be going to see the council.

1417
02:08:44,650 --> 02:08:45,610
That guy's amazing.

1418
02:08:46,930 --> 02:08:48,930
He's always in the public service.

1419
02:08:49,170 --> 02:08:51,330
I appreciate him very much.

1420
02:08:52,790 --> 02:08:54,590
Any other commissioner comments?

1421
02:08:55,170 --> 02:08:56,890
Any other commissioner comments?

1422
02:08:57,010 --> 02:08:57,290
All right.

1423
02:08:57,570 --> 02:09:02,450
If not, then our next meeting is next Tuesday for our work session.

1424
02:09:02,610 --> 02:09:04,350
7 o'clock right back here in the boardroom.

1425
02:09:04,690 --> 02:09:06,630
And without any other business to come before the board,

1426
02:09:06,930 --> 02:09:08,930
without objection, we are adjourned.

1427
02:09:08,930 --> 02:09:10,330
Thank you.

1428
02:09:13,800 --> 02:09:14,640
Recording stopped.