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Good evening. I will now call to order the September 22nd, 2026, special city session meeting of the South Passing City Council at 6.03 p.m., chief city clerk Newsom, please call the roll.

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Here. Here.

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Here. Here. Here. Here. First, we'll, we'll, we'll study session, we'll be discussing, we'll be providing discussion direction on proposed amendments to chapter 19a, noise regulation of the South Passing Municipal Code.

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A recommendation is recommended the City Council received the staff presentation to provide

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direction on potential amendments to chapter 19 A, noise regulation of the South Passing

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Municipal Code.

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Senior planners, Stephen Peterson will present item.

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There is the presentation.

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Good evening, Mayor Rossi and council members.

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I'm Stephen Peterson, senior planner in the community development department.

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We also have Andrew Rodriguez, the city's lead code enforcement officer here with us in

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person and our consultant Bill Vosty from Rincon Associates is available on Zoom.

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You'll remember that we were last before you on May 20th when we presented a preliminary

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version of the noise regulations update to you. At that time, the council provided us

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with direction and some questions to consider. Today, we're returning to you to provide answers

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to those questions and to share with you a further evolved draft of the noise regulations,

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including a refinement to the objective noise standards based on field measurements and an alternative

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noise zone map.

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Okay, this slide. There we go. Okay, got it. Now we're going. All right. Tonight,

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my presentation will cover four topic areas based on grouping council's questions and directions

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from last time into these four categories.

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First, we'll provide some clarification of exemptions

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in the ordinance.

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Second, we'll explain the education and enforcement process.

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Third, we'll discuss the results of field measurements

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of noise around town and resulting refinements

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to the proposed objective noise standards.

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And finally, fourth, we'll present two different options

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for how the noise zone map could be organized.

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First, regarding exemptions to the ordinance,

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council had asked that it be clarified

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that generators used temporarily during a power outage

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are exempt from the noise regulations.

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So we have revised section 19a9b

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to specifically and clearly exempt use of generators

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for emergency work.

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And when providing temporary utility service

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during a power outage. Second, Council had requested clarification regarding school

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events held on school grounds or at school-owned facilities. Oopsy. Sorry. Second, Council had requested

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clarification regarding school events that would be exempt. Accordingly, Section 19a9a of the

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proposed ordinance has been revised to make it clear that school events held on school grounds

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or at school-owned facilities, including fundraising events are exempted, fundraising events to benefit the school but not held on school grounds or at school-owned facilities would not be exempt.

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A temporary noise permit could be obtained for off-campus events.

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Next, I'll move on to the second topic area of the presentation regarding the enforcement approach or process.

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and our lead code enforcement officer, Andrew Rodriguez, is available to elaborate if needed.

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The code enforcement division approaches noise and all code enforcement issues

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focused on education and seeking voluntary compliance. When there is a noise complaint or a

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noise issue has been observed, staff contacts the responsible party or property owner,

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explains the applicable regulations and identifies measures to reduce noise such as closing a door or turning the volume down.

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If the responsible party takes immediate measures to reduce the noise, a notice of violation is typically not issued and the correction is documented in the file.

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If staff are unable to contact the responsible party or if the noise is not reduced,

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a notice of violation may be issued, providing a further opportunity for voluntary correction.

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Continued noncompliance may eventually result in an administrative citation,

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but staff avoids progressing to that level if at all possible.

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A primary goal of this noise regulations update is to establish objective standards for noise limits

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that are clear and don't rely on subjective perceptions and can accurately and consistently

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be enforced.

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The staff report provides examples of three scenarios and how measurement and enforcement

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of noise standards would occur in each.

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One involves commercial noise affecting a residential property.

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One discusses mechanical equipment like an air conditioning system and another discusses

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vehicle noise like a motorcycle being warmed up in the driveway. Andrew could go over those

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in detail if the council desires, but each relies on a consistent measurement and enforcement

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protocol as laid out in the proposed noise regulations and a standard operating procedures

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memo that is under preparation now.

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Council had asked how complaints are handled when

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and a noise event is not actively occurring.

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When a complaint concerns noise, which is not actively occurring,

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staff gathers information about the source,

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timing, duration, and affected location before scheduling an inspection.

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Staff would contact the party responsible for the noise

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and provide information regarding the noise regulations

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to encourage voluntary compliance in the future.

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Staff then follows up with the reporting party,

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explaining their inspection findings and information about the noise regulations and enforcement

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actions taken.

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Moving on to part three of the presentation. As directed by Council, staff conducted

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measurements to check that the proposed numerical objective noise standards are reasonable to ensure

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that everyday normal activities would not be violations and that noisy nuisance activities would be.

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Field measurements were conducted at multiple times in locations in residential, commercial and open space areas around town, using the equipment and procedures laid out in the proposed noise regulations.

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To give you a general sense of noise levels around town, on a sidewalk in a residential neighborhood in the 300 block of Monterey Road, on a Tuesday at around noon.

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readings were about 50 decibels. At the South Pasadena dog park in the open

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space zone with dogs and people playing batting cages in skate park active. At

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130 in the afternoon on a Tuesday we measured 64 decibels. While on a Thursday

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night at 9 p.m. on the sidewalk directly in front of a busy Irish pub on Mission

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Street with a band playing inside and the front door open. We measured 73 decibels. Keep in mind

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that sound drops off at a rate of six decibels for every doubling of distance from the source.

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And that sound may be affected by the presence of buildings, walls, terrain, and absorptive or

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reflective surfaces.

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So for our field testing, a total of 27 noise measurements were taken around town.

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When compared to the exterior noise standards originally suggested to you on May 20, 70% of

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the measurements exceeded those originally proposed standards, indicating that the standards

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were probably too strict. Staff fine-tuned the standards accordingly, raising them five to ten

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decibels in order to distinguish typical everyday acceptable noise from nuisance noise. Then we

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compared the field measurements to the newly recommended standards and found now that approximately 18%

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and of the field measurements remained in violation,

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which sounds more appropriate.

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So go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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Just a quick question.

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And it might have been in here.

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I might have forgotten.

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When you say you're measuring it,

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is there a certain amount of time

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like are you measuring it for five minutes

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or some period of time

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and then taking an average or how are you?

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And I know that's part of what we're going to fix,

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but what's the procedure?

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It's a 10 minute measurement as spelled out

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in the noise regulation.

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So 10 minutes and then it's an average of that 10 minutes?

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That's correct.

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Okay, thank you.

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So I think I have a quick question on here,

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because I'm looking at the self-positina dog park,

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which is the one in zone two

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that wouldn't have made the original sound recommendation

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that you had or that was in place.

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Like that to me is, you know, it's down in the rollo.

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And it doesn't seem to be in the same space

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is Garfield Park and Via Del Rey.

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So I guess I'm looking at are we increasing the noise levels and

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Garfield Park and Via Del Rey to accommodate the dog park,

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instead of saying that maybe what's in there in the rollo can tolerate a higher sound.

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Not only to address the South Positina dog park.

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No, no, I understand, but I'm talking about the zone as a whole.

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So the whole zone was bumped up a little bit, but we took measurements at various parks

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around town to check the reasonableness of the.

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Well, but I guess that's what I'm trying to understand is the reasonableness before

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bumping up the sound in all of zone two, because the only one that seems to me that it wasn't

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complying was the, what was happening in the Royo, which is dog park, batting cages,

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skate park, but it's down in the complete, it's down in a residential area, whereas

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the other areas are residential areas. So I don't think that they should be in the

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same category. You know, what is, what's noise in a residential versus what's, just because

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they're both parks, but one's residential, one's not residential.

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Sure. These are just a few excerpts of the measurements. There were additional readings

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taken at Monterey Hills Elementary that I believe exceeded that original standard as well.

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I could just provide a little bit. As Andrew mentioned, this is just an example of all

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of the 27 that were conducted. And in zone two, it's not isolated to open space. So as we'll see

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in the presentation for the noise ordinance map, zone two includes other land use zones as

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while it's not just the open space.

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I understand, but what I'm trying to come to is really that you're talking about a

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different category, because it's not just that it's an open space, is it an open space

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in a residential neighborhood, or is it open space down in the arroyo that doesn't have

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residential near it?

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Is it, you know, Monterey Hills sound during, you know, drop off and pick up during the

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day or is it something that goes to 10 p.m. at night. So when we're making the blanket

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rules and we're expanding it out, you know, to, you're saying, okay, Monterey Hills

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didn't meet that need, but now we're, you know, we've changed it, but to 10 p.m. at night

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is, that's the question to try to accommodate a noise issue that's really a, you know,

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something that's concentrated at 3 p.m. Then it's also the other question is how ambient

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noise plays into it because, you know, this is a question the DBA is a whole, you know,

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when you have like car traffic sound, like they're during the normal day sounds versus the evening

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sounds. So I guess what I'm concerned is taking a bumping it up so that places aren't out of compliance,

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but doing it for the entire 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. time frame versus like something that's like the reasonable time frames.

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And the hours that we have, that can be adjusted.

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If that's something that the council wants to include as part of the feedback for what we bring back.

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That's certainly something that we can look at and consider.

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When we go through the presentation as well, the option that we came up with also has to do based on the designation of the streets.

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And so we will see that even, and that's how we split up the second option in terms of even if the land use may be zoned open space, for example,

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If it's on one type of street, it may be in, you know, noise zone three verses.

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No, I don't, too, to account for what you're describing in terms of appropriateness. So it's kind of like context. Right. That's exactly what I'm talking about. So, you know, it's the concern of, I'll give a good example, Eddie Park. Right. So Eddie Park, just because it's a park, but it is in the middle of a neighborhood. But if you designated the same sound and time frame that you do for a rollo, it has a significant

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different impact on the people who live there than the same sound necessarily does in the

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Royal.

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Right.

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I get it.

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So it sounds like Erica, you're going to look at that when you actually bring something

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back to us.

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Well, we did do that for the commercial-zoned parcels, again, based on the street designation,

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but that's something that we can take back in terms of it.

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Levels that we are suggesting that's feedback that we can take back of course

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And if there's other ways that we want to map it out of course we can take that feedback

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The other thing that I just want to mention is we did also look at comparisons just to get a sense of

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Where are proposed or revised proposed levels compared to other cities and so they'll present on that as well

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Just in terms of giving a bigger picture.

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Continuing on,

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okay, and then on a Thursday night at 9 p.m. on the sidewalk directly in front of a busy Irish pub on Mission Street with a band playing inside in the front door open, we measured 73 decibels.

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Oops, and we talked about how sound drops off based on distance.

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and the fact that based on the measurements proposed, the first time around 70% of our field

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measurements were over the proposed limit, but based on our newly proposed objectives,

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noise standards, only 18% of them were over, so we think we're providing a better, more fine

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tune set of numbers here, okay. And speaking to the 18% of the field measurements that remained

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in violation, these were, the measurements still exceeding the standards were amplified

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musical performances where closing a door or turning the volume down did seem appropriate.

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it. Therefore, staff feels that the revised standards are calibrated appropriately. We

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can go through some of the specific ground-true thing measurements if the council would

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like.

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I guess I'd like to also ask on like cumulative

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noise. So there's like the one Irish pub, but then if you have that standard, you've increased

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the standard across the board and then you have several places all hitting it. That's like

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75 DBA until 7 o'clock at night.

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So just like how does cumulative sound work?

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Well, sound drops off by distance as we discussed.

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So one noisy bar and another noisy bar, a block away,

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aren't really going to generate relative noise.

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So what about when they're next to each other?

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They would still be subject to the same standard

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And the meter that we have has a fairly kind of directional microphones, it's easy to kind of isolate one, but depending on how close they are, it's sort of situational, but it's not hard to kind of measure two different properties, even if they're next to each other and regulate them independently.

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Next staff reviewed the noise ordinances adopted by our neighboring cities of San Gabriel, Pasadena, Alhambra and San Marino.

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to evaluate how South Pasadena's recommended new standards compare.

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Direct comparison is difficult because the other jurisdictions generally use

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different regulatory approaches, measurement locations, and enforcement criteria.

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But of the jurisdictions we reviewed, San Marino's ordinance is most comparable to

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South Pasadena's proposed ordinance as shown in the chart on the slide.

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and we found that San Marino standards are very similar to what we are proposing. Day

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time and evening standards for residential are exactly the same with the daytime standard

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for commercial also being the same and the nighttime commercial standards being five

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decibels higher in South pass than San Marino which perhaps seems appropriate considering

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South Pass has a more active commercial downtown, including bars, restaurants, and live music venues.

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This table shows the newly proposed standards in the green column alongside the standards

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as originally proposed in May, as mentioned before, standards have generally been raised 5 to 10

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decibels. As currently proposed, the standards coherently and logically step up gradually from the

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Quietist requirement of 55 decibels for nighttime in a residential district, to the loudest allowable standard being commercial areas along main streets in the daytime at 75 decibels.

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Finally, this brings me to the last section of the presentation.

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Council had requested that staff provide an alternative noise zone map that requires quieter noise levels for

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or commercially-zoned properties on secondary streets, such as El Centro, different from

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commercially-zoned properties on main corridors, such as Faroaks or Mission.

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So in preparing this alternative option to noise zone map, staff utilized the city's

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adopted general plan, which classifies streets into four categories you can see on the screen.

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Primary corridors such as Faroaks, Huntington, Monterey, and Freemont are designated as

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thoroughfare, Maine, or Connector streets, while local or secondary streets such as El

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Central or Mound are termed access streets.

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Option 1, as shown to you in May, has the originally proposed classifications with commercial zones

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shown in the darkest blue as zone 3, having the highest allowed noise levels. Open space

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and community facilities zoned properties as zone 2 in the medium blue color with the

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medium level of allowed noise. And residential areas shown in light blue, zone 1, with the

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quietest allowed noise levels.

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Next, here's the newly proposed option 2 noise zone map where

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the residential areas are shown in light blue as zone 1, the quietest area. Zone 2 in medium

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blue contains open space, community facilities, and commercial properties that are along access

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roads, the secondary streets, the local streets, and zone three with the loudest,

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allowed noise levels being shown in dark blue for commercial properties along the

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thoroughfare main and connector streets, the main busiest streets in town.

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Staff recommends option two because it acknowledges the different

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different character of major commercial streets like pharaohs and mission from minor secondary

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or access streets, while both may have commercial uses.

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This map provides a gradual step down of allowed noise levels from a major commercial street,

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for example, mission, which would have a nighttime noise limit of 65 decibels, stepping down

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down to a limit of 60 decibels for commercial properties along secondary local access street like Mound or El Centro, and stepping down further than into the residential neighborhoods, say along Oxley at 55 decibels.

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So we think it provides a logical step down.

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so to wrap up, staff is recommending that number one, we proceed forward utilizing

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the revised noise standards that were refined through the ground truthing and field measurement

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process.

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And number two, that we utilize noise zone map option two, which acknowledges the different

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nature of commercial areas and neighborhoods along the main streets in town versus those

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along quieter local access streets.

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And number three, that next time staff will return to council with the ordinance for

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first reading.

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That concludes my presentation.

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We're happy to answer any questions.

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Thank you.

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Do I have any questions from council?

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I guess there's a, is there, I noticed that there's the San Marinos here, but is there

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anything that shows what other cities have done?

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No, because the other cities don't have numerical standards, they have generalized standards

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like what we have in our present ordinance, which are based on a sensitivity of a reasonable

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person being disturbed by the noise and statements like that, but we were pleased to find

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that San Marino, which does have numerical standards, lines up almost exactly what we came

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up with.

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So we felt like maybe we're on target here and are we in need of daytime standards?

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Do you time ghost will 10 p.m.

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That's just seven or so seven in some cases, right?

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7 a.m. to 10 p.m. Yes, so we're basically regulating sound 24 hours a day. No, 7 a.m. to 10 p.m.

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It's 10 p.m. 7 p.m. 7 p.m. 7 a.m.

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Can you tell me again what the decibel the distance every 10 feet it goes down by what six or something like that?

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Every doubling of distance from the noise source, it goes down by six decibels.

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So think if you were 10 feet away from something and it was 70 decibels and then you moved

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20 feet away, you're doubling your distance, it would move from 70 decibels to 64 decibels.

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And how far away are you when you're measuring?

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Typically, here we're right in front of the property on the sidewalk in front of it about

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about five feet back from the property line.

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So you're close.

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And the, yes, and the location for measurement

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is spelled out in the ordinance

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so that we're consistent every time

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and measuring in the same way.

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So the ordinance, yeah.

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So it'll tell you how far you have to be back

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and where you have to measure from.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Correct.

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And part of that is to kind of get away

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from environmental factors or anything else

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that might influence that reading.

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So we're actually capturing the sound generated

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from the property where the noise originates from?

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Right, because to me, it seems like the number one issue

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we're trying to address here is objectivity.

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And so that can be measurable.

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Yeah, okay.

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But it's from the property line or is it,

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I mean, so like in cases where a building

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has a sound application to it.

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So that is, it goes to the property line

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to have an understanding of what the sound is.

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there. So it's not the noise like from the actual place but it's going down to the sidewalk,

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for instance, is where you measure it from? Yeah, right in front of the place.

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Okay.

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Do you have any other additional questions? I think from what I'm reading here, it seems

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like a child's birthday party in the daytime would violate the city's noise ordinance.

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I don't think that's correct. Would a child's birthday party in the daytime violate the city's

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No, he's certain it's referencing specifically kind of the relationship with distance and volume and how it all pans out

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in the instance of some of the

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commercial areas and bars that have live music performances their level inside

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is, you know, excess of 90 decibels would enable to even hear each other talking

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and then stepping just outside of that, you know, no more than

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In a way, it drops down to 73, 74 give or take.

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So that distance, based on how loud it is, if the birthday party is louder than a band

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performing in a bar, and the measurements take in closer than maybe 30 or 40 feet from

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the interior where the band is performing, then it would potentially violate it, but under

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normal circumstances, I don't believe it would.

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I have a question.

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I know the concept here is stepping.

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But what I really want to know is where are there's, you go from zone three to zone one because it seems to me there's a few spots where there's actually contiguous property line and there's a zone three that drops to a zone one.

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And there's really no stepping in that kind of a scenario and I'd like to be able to see where those conflicts might be so that we can maybe anticipate something a little bit more nuanced.

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That's kind of where I am right now. I mean, there's a parcel on Huntington that's surrounded by zone one. Holy families surrounded by zone one, but it's a zone three. There's a number of other places that are literally contiguous to a single family or a zone one in their zone three. So I just want to be able to look at those and to ponder that because obviously when you get down into the granular area,

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That's when you're seeing if you're really stepping things up or down or if it's just a big jump from quietest to loudest.

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And I think that gets to Mayor Rossi's earlier comment about context, right?

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Because I do think there's some of these like holy families in the middle of that holy family special or special specific land.

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It's in the middle of residential Eddie Park.

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you've got some Huntington properties, the same thing.

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So it's kind of, yeah, how do you deal with that?

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It even Garfield Park, because Garfield's close to, you know, I mean, that's the question.

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Well, there's a street in between, but a few backyards go right up to it.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So it's, that's the question, I think.

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And when you asked earlier, are there specific areas?

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I think that it strikes me that what we need to just kind of be cognizant of.

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And without making, you have a whole new project.

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at this kind of some of those areas that you've got single-family residential right next to open space or a commercial zone.

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We can certainly when we come back next time and highlight some of those areas where we've got zone three next to zone one.

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I would just point out that the regulations are set up that if somebody is in zone one, the residential area, the quietest area, and they say

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I'm being bothered by noise coming from this commercial property in zone three next door.

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The process would be to measure at the property line of the generating property and the receiving property and

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measure the noise versus the standards at the generating property and measure the noise versus the standards at the receiving property.

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So you could kind of catch it, even if that zone three commercial property was okay by its standards,

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which allow a little noisier in a commercial zone, if their noise was affecting the residential

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property over the residential properties established limit, that would still be a violation.

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So that kind of helps account for that.

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Right, it does, it's helpful, but again, for a, for a zone three property, they might say, great, we've got this limit.

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And they may not pay attention to what seeps over and that they've actually got another sound limit, right, across the property line.

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And so, I think being able to understand where those, where that education needs to be, for the, for the zone three property owner.

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Well, and I think the education one of the areas it really has to be is in the CUP process as well.

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Right. So I think when they're going through the development or getting permits,

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the Planning Commission has to have that as part of their consideration of the originating zone and also the receiving zone to.

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So that might be where we place some of that. I don't know.

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I agree with you 100% that there's some of it.

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But if it's not a new development, then you don't have a new property owner use.

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You might have an existing property owner use with new zone three standards

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that may not understand what happens.

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There's still held to those.

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There's no violation in the adjoining zone one property.

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We can just a quick one.

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Yeah.

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One.

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You want to go ahead?

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You're on page six or 19 we've discussed some of this decimal measurement criteria

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It talks in a

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That point six

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This will measure in criteria. You're in the ordinance itself. Yep on page 21 of the 19

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And also the six on it.

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Yeah, got it

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Just curious an a it you know it talks about the national standards

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She'll be measured at a height of four feet at least four feet away from reflective surfaces

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For duration release 10 minutes were feasible

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Practically when you get to a site people are upset you're gonna have to sit there for 10 minutes or or why is it is that as a national standard or something and what why is four feet?

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So the fourth feed is to make sure that the meter is capturing the noise of the actual

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generation, not a reflection of the sound bouncing off of the floor, or a wall, think of

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it like a bubble around the meter so that it's not steering the measurements one way or

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another.

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Closer to a wall could elevate that level higher than what's actually being generated

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as it's capturing kind of where the noise comes from and then the reflection of that noise

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to the wall next to it.

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But 10 minutes isn't necessarily the ANSI standards.

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It's just a time limit that captures that weighted average, so it takes that exposure

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compares it over the time to come with, you know, one number that summarizes what's

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otherwise, you know, a more complex number based on time frequency that amplitude of that

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frequency, a bunch of other factors with that.

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So, Anthony, your experience going on the site, have you actually stood there for 10 minutes

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Have you seen taken it?

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It's really not too much of an inconvenience or even in doing the field measurements, even

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though it's not necessarily targeting enforcement in this case yet.

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I haven't had anyone who's really – people are more interested in what the meter is and

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ask about it more so than concerns or upset or anything like that.

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Did you bring a meter with you?

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I brought up the first session I didn't bring it this time.

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Okay.

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So I want to go back to Mayor Pratton's question, so the birthday party in the middle of

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the afternoon sort of thing.

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Look, would a standard noise be for that?

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Because I imagine that's similar.

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Go ahead.

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It would just depend on the noise zone, the birthday party is occurring in, whether it's at

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a zone one or zone two on the-

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The residential.

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So I think he's talking about like a residential.

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is

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it between 7 a.m. and 10 p.m. in which case it would be 65 for the LEQ measurement.

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That's the exposure over time and that's from the property line.

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And currently that's at 55, is that correct?

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60 currently for 10 a.m.

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And then what are just going back to, sorry, going back to examples of what that is,

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like what's 65 so much? I guess we have some live examples.

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So, I mean, 65 would be similar to the South Passing and Dog Park currently, just like with

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the batting cages and skate park in the middle of the day, so that's just a standard.

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Yeah, I mean, I think from what I read, Peaky Excitement's moments like seeing Happy Birthday,

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shouting during games or playing at an indoor trampoline park, R.K. Freakly exceeds Spikewell

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into the 85 to 95 DB range was what I read. And so that was kind of my concern, was that if

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If you had children having a good time playing that might actually speak and peak to this higher

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number and in peaking to that number would trigger potential problems in the middle of

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the daytime within private property.

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But it's fine.

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I mean, I think what we're looking for is some way to come up with something that's objective.

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I think that what would be more prudent would be to put this within certain hours of operation

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that, you know, align with, like, let's say if you're saying after sundown or 6 p.m. or so that

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there's some constraint on when this is applicable versus having a 24-7 regulation of people's activities

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within their homes. Or in their private spaces of their outdoor spaces of their own.

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No, I understand that. So I would say that on the spiking, that gets taken care of by the 10 minutes,

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right? So it has to be, it's a 10-minute measurement. So it's an average of that 10 minutes. I say,

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the other thing, I just saw you can apply for a temporary noise ordinance.

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So if you're having a, so if you're having a party of some sort or a wedding in your yard

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or something, you can actually apply to exceed the noise ordinance.

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Well, and I think look, I'm in part of it as like you're talking about, kids are naturally

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noisy.

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I would be surprised if, you know, our code enforcement came out to give a citation based

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off of kids laughing. Like, my next

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Renewable's kids are beautiful. I love them, but, you know,

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they remind me how a lot of my kids were, if they just

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naturally go through that phase, but I think that's also

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a, it is, unless you're running a commercial

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operation, like a pre-school in your yard, like, is that

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something our police or code enforcement would be going

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after people whose kids were laughing in the backyard?

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So, I think that's the, I can attest to

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personally having the police come to my house for

441
00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:40,150
noise on Father's Day in middle at 12 o'clock in the afternoon under our noise ordinance, so.

442
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:44,990
But that's the current noise ordinance. The problem is there's no objective and that's

443
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:49,070
probably why I wasn't cited. Right, so it's really the objective standards in.

444
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:57,710
Yeah, I think understanding that that that is an absurdity to have to have that happen.

445
00:39:57,710 --> 00:40:03,350
And if I can just offer really quick, we are drafting standard operating procedures for

446
00:40:03,350 --> 00:40:11,070
code enforcement to talk about, you know, the fact that our enforcement process is

447
00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:18,510
geared towards compliance and working with property owners and it outlines, you know, reaching

448
00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:23,170
out to the, what the process is in terms of reaching out to the person who, the property

449
00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:27,310
owner working with them, when the notice of violation should be issued, you know, it talks

450
00:40:27,310 --> 00:40:33,430
about courtesy notices it talks about other things before getting to any sort of punitive

451
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:38,470
measure and so I think it's also important to have that as a written policy and so we are

452
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:43,370
working on that to try to help mitigate and make sure that we're as objective as possible

453
00:40:43,370 --> 00:40:46,270
regardless of who's standing in that position.

454
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,840
Let's go to public comment.

455
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,340
Oh sorry. Do we have any public comment? Yes we do, Madam Mayor.

456
00:40:56,340 --> 00:40:56,760
questions?

457
00:40:57,340 --> 00:40:57,440
Wait.

458
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:11,580
Madam Mary, were you ready for public comment?

459
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,160
Okay.

460
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:15,000
We have two in-person speakers and two via Zoom.

461
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,740
I'm going to call both the in-person speakers.

462
00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:18,200
If you could please land up at the podium.

463
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:20,260
Benjamin Jocometti.

464
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:22,600
Hold on one moment.

465
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:24,200
Let me make sure people in the room.

466
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,680
If you'd like to make a public comment and you're in the room, you can go ahead and fill out

467
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:28,540
a public comment card.

468
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,160
And Marie Bluestone?

469
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:33,960
You can both come up to the podium.

470
00:41:34,220 --> 00:41:34,740
Either podium.

471
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:38,930
Mr. Jocometti.

472
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:44,910
You're speaking on this item, Mr. Nellie?

473
00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:46,690
You can land at the podium too.

474
00:41:47,350 --> 00:41:48,630
Hi, I'm Ben Jockimetti.

475
00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:52,190
Out of the 317 Monterey have been there for 30 years.

476
00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:55,190
This all sounded fantastic.

477
00:41:55,470 --> 00:42:00,690
I just want to remind everybody that there is a serious sound violation that's been going

478
00:42:00,690 --> 00:42:02,070
on for over six months.

479
00:42:02,830 --> 00:42:09,090
And I am the person that has been directly, my place is unlivable.

480
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:12,390
This sound is 24-7.

481
00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:15,090
We're not talking just decibels.

482
00:42:15,810 --> 00:42:18,810
We're talking this vibrates the entire dwelling.

483
00:42:19,810 --> 00:42:22,150
The only reason my neighbors haven't...

484
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:24,370
I have neighbors all over that area.

485
00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:26,790
Apparently it's now been designated type 3.

486
00:42:27,610 --> 00:42:28,950
We spoke on that.

487
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:31,430
You brought this up.

488
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:37,710
This is a four-ton air mover that's brand new.

489
00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:43,670
sound isn't just decibels. It is the vibration, it's the reflection, it's the natural

490
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:50,670
amphitheater. This was a mistake, and I don't want to call fault or anything, but this

491
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:57,610
is an ongoing serious fault that is disturbing the lives, and I mean detrimental to the

492
00:42:57,610 --> 00:43:04,490
health and hearing and welfare. There is not a moment I invite anyone to my place at

493
00:43:04,490 --> 00:43:13,370
any time. And there is no silence. Forget the hours of operation. This is industrial noise.

494
00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:24,470
This is a physical item that pushes so much air. It is unremittant. It is ongoing and has been

495
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:31,910
ongoing for six months now. I lived there for 30 years. As I said the last time I stood up here.

496
00:43:32,890 --> 00:43:39,230
A moment of silence is now so precious to me, there are five different sounds this thing

497
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:39,490
makes.

498
00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:40,270
7.

499
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:45,970
Unfortunately, the low decibel one, I have one of your meters, I have two of them, and

500
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:51,970
now I have a vibration monitor as well, because things vibrate at the lower decibels.

501
00:43:51,970 --> 00:44:02,430
47 decibels, 49 decibels, serious vibration, you can't escape it in the bedroom, the bathroom,

502
00:44:02,570 --> 00:44:09,810
the kitchen, anywhere. The bed vibrates, everything vibrates for six months now.

503
00:44:12,830 --> 00:44:13,550
It's

504
00:44:14,130 --> 00:44:20,110
a problem that I now know Andrew Rodriguez, and I will be speaking to him, I would like

505
00:44:20,110 --> 00:44:24,370
to know the equipment. I just need to know what kind of equipment's up there. This is

506
00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:30,050
a mistake. And there are solutions. We will find a solution together. And I thank you.

507
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:33,990
I just want to bring to your attention the importance of it. Thank you.

508
00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:36,330
Marie Bloomstone.

509
00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:44,720
I apologize for

510
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,240
my appearance. I'm going through kind of a crisis situation

511
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:57,480
right now. Sorry I brought the dog. This is the time that I walk the dog and I

512
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,680
understood that I had to be here at six.

513
00:45:00,110 --> 00:45:08,330
I can't come in through Zoom when I'm walking the dog. I live at 1131 L. Central,

514
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:15,970
Caddy Corner from Sid, the cat, and all of the development that's being done across the street.

515
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:26,870
I have written approximately 60 emails documenting the noise coming from Sid, the cat, with their

516
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:33,710
are incessant drumming and their party-like atmosphere that goes on till 11 and 12 o'clock

517
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:40,130
at night. Now Andrew has clarified for me that this noise ordinance that you're entertaining

518
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:48,230
does not apply to Sid the cat because Sid the cat has a separate CUP. I understand that.

519
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:56,430
I came to tell you what it feels like to live across the street from a place that has been

520
00:45:56,430 --> 00:46:03,330
classified I guess in a mixed-used area. I took a look at the maps that are being presented

521
00:46:03,330 --> 00:46:15,810
here and I have a question and a request. Why is our townhome property classified as—it's

522
00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:23,550
not classified as residential. I didn't bring it to me—with me. It's classified as—what

523
00:46:23,550 --> 00:46:24,110
What did I tell you?

524
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:32,700
We are, yeah, our town homes are not mixed use.

525
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:40,040
We are residences, and I think that that map is incorrect, and I think that our property

526
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:45,340
needs to be like the other light blue properties that are classified as residences.

527
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,360
Why are we being discriminated against and treated unfairly?

528
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,780
I believe that this is something that this board or somebody in the city can correct so

529
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:59,640
So that we can try to correct some of these noise standards that are being incorporated

530
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:05,340
into the CUPs for these businesses that are coming across the street and absolutely

531
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:10,740
ruining our lives and bringing down our property values.

532
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:17,700
So that is my comment on your proposed noise ordinance.

533
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:26,340
hopefully you will also do something about the CUP for Sid the cat. We can't live

534
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:34,300
with that noise anymore. So thank you for listening to me and hopefully you'll

535
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:41,100
be able to do something. The the the the wound that you have inflicted on us you

536
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:47,100
meaning the city government is not regulated by the state or the Fed or

537
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:53,480
anybody else. It was done by somebody here or the planning commission. Oh, and by the way,

538
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:59,380
the planning commission won't accept my emails anymore. Maybe somebody can fix that. Thank you

539
00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:03,960
very much. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Mike Noe, and after Mike Noe, we'll be

540
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Steve Novotny.

541
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:16,440
Good evening. Just here to speak to, I guess, some of the concerns that people are

542
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:34,200
I did read the agenda item beforehand and recognize that what was at the code, the noise ordinance code accounts for 5% of the city code, but responding to the issues takes 25% longer than any other issues that the city addresses.

543
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:44,130
So recognizing that this is really an opportunity to come up with common sense, I'm reluctant

544
00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:49,910
to use that term, but just something that addresses the concerns and is not a blanket noise

545
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:50,310
ordinance.

546
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:53,030
I sympathize with the woman who just spoke.

547
00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:57,230
I recognize that, you know, she's probably lived there a lot longer than CityCats existed,

548
00:48:57,670 --> 00:49:03,090
but I imagine there's got to be opportunities where these businesses and residences can

549
00:49:03,090 --> 00:49:09,730
co-exist. Oh, note, I've talked previously about Pickleball and Orange Grove Park. I did

550
00:49:09,730 --> 00:49:15,370
hear that El Centro is being viewed as a place that will lower the decibel threshold.

551
00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:23,210
I think that's possibly going to lead to more conflict. If I wouldn't be remiss, you have

552
00:49:23,950 --> 00:49:29,210
the giddy ostrich going in on El Centro, you have Sid the Cat, be as tacos to come. Those

553
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:36,230
Those are all presumably late night venues and of course the Orange Grove Park Pickleball

554
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:38,930
Court is on that street as well.

555
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:47,630
So I guess instead of creating a blanket ordinance that ultimately results in the police having

556
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:53,350
to respond to a lot of different calls that may or may not actually improve the situation,

557
00:49:53,350 --> 00:49:56,090
but it will definitely increase the higher of those involved.

558
00:49:57,310 --> 00:50:03,650
I wonder if there's opportunities that we can find common ground that enable everyone

559
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:08,870
to coexist, enjoy where they live, and enjoy all the opportunities that the city presents.

560
00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:09,950
Thanks.

561
00:50:11,790 --> 00:50:12,670
Steve Gavatti.

562
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:27,400
Thanks.

563
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:33,700
Since the topic of noise and the noise ordinance is on the forefront today, I want to point

564
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:38,460
out that my next door neighbor, Omari Ferguson, has some type of

565
00:50:38,460 --> 00:50:43,780
loud alarm in his backyard that goes off several times every evening.

566
00:50:44,460 --> 00:50:49,940
Sometimes as late as 12, 30 a.m., this alarm was already mentioned

567
00:50:49,940 --> 00:50:55,400
and complaints filed over a year ago by myself and other neighbors.

568
00:50:56,340 --> 00:50:59,520
But nothing has been done, and the noise continues.

569
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:06,260
It is very loud and above any allowable noise limits, especially so late at night.

570
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:13,200
Last week, one night at 11 p.m., I was outside when the alarm went off, and I was able to

571
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,680
capture this recording that I'll play for you now.

572
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:26,340
O'Mari Ferguson, stop making this noise, it's inappropriate in any residential area, and

573
00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:32,460
And especially in South Pasadena I don't know what this alarm is but it's clearly unacceptable

574
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:38,920
in a quiet residential neighborhood like ours and none of you present here tonight would

575
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,000
like to live next to someone with a noise making device like this.

576
00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:51,240
I strongly recommend not increasing any allowable noise limits in the proposed changes to the noise

577
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:57,840
ordinance or situations and violations like this will only increase and get

578
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,220
worse.

579
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:03,890
We have two speakers via Zoom.

580
00:53:08,260 --> 00:53:11,380
Mr. Gladden you may proceed. Hello

581
00:53:11,380 --> 00:53:22,400
counsel. I read ambient decibels and on my parcel between 35 and 45 decibels

582
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:29,680
depending on the time of day. The neighbor's single 7-year-old AC unit is 40 feet

583
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:41,300
away and it increases the decibels by 5 or 6 points and that is that is the

584
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:48,860
limit that our current ordinance allows. They just had plans approved using the

585
00:53:48,860 --> 00:53:56,360
streamline process that places two AC units, four feet away. So from one unit,

586
00:53:56,580 --> 00:54:03,340
40 feet away, to two units, four feet away. And the estimated DBA that I found

587
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:12,200
with an online calculator is that it would be 67 decibels. An increase of 10

588
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:18,240
times the loudness. I mean, the plans are approved and they're there four feet

589
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:18,540
away.

590
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:32,360
So future potential complaint. I started listening at 5 p.m. and they were on for 20 minutes

591
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:38,480
and it was off for three minutes and then it went on for 90 minutes and it just now turned off

592
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:46,460
and it's in the 70s today. It's a constant air conditioning mechanical noise.

593
00:54:47,640 --> 00:55:00,120
it's just tolerable now, but the difference between 45 and 55 is double. So if

594
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:07,040
they're moved closer and somehow kept at the nighttime allowable limit of 55,

595
00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:14,480
I should expect twice the loudness in perpetuity.

596
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:18,280
That's what we're dealing

597
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:27,920
with these numbers here. The comparison to Sam Reno was brought up. They have strict regulations

598
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:35,600
on the placement and dampening of air conditioners. We just relaxed our air conditioner rules

599
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:43,380
2025 and that's what allowed them to put it four feet instead of the eight feet set back.

600
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:44,860
I'm

601
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:52,820
pretty sure I saw on the news the people who were living next to the data centers.

602
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:59,400
They were holding up a sound meter that was reading 65-70.

603
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:10,140
So 65's up there and 55 is still worse than 50.

604
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,700
The next speaker is Steve Lawrence.

605
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,180
You may proceed, Mr. Lawrence.

606
00:56:24,030 --> 00:56:25,570
Good evening, Councilor Ken Yermey.

607
00:56:29,530 --> 00:56:35,270
So, a couple of things on the ordinance. One thing I didn't hear is neighbors talking residential

608
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:40,470
neighbors that share fences in the backyard. So, what I heard with measurements being taken

609
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:44,610
at the property line perhaps, you know, assuming like the front of the side of the house.

610
00:56:45,110 --> 00:56:54,970
But if there's a property or whatever going on in the backyard, then you have, you know,

611
00:56:54,970 --> 00:56:59,590
I was at Sound Measurement going to be accounted for and or measured, that's one question.

612
00:57:00,310 --> 00:57:07,350
Next is, I don't know if this is ridiculous or not, but I didn't hear any accommodations

613
00:57:07,350 --> 00:57:10,070
or jurisdiction over the Metro.

614
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:14,270
I don't think that there would be, but it would be great if there was, does any of this

615
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:15,690
supply to the Metro at all?

616
00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:23,830
The Metro has very specific sound regulations in place on what they're supposed to be adhering

617
00:57:23,830 --> 00:57:28,790
to while going through South-Hast, and it definitely gets locked over from time to time

618
00:57:29,290 --> 00:57:31,450
through the speed of the train at certain times.

619
00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:37,870
And then lastly, I heard something, I forget who was saying this from one of the experts

620
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:42,430
that are about how the found is measured, and they're saying, well, we want to take the

621
00:57:42,430 --> 00:57:46,570
measurement from a certain spot so it can be as objective as possible, and we don't want

622
00:57:46,570 --> 00:57:52,130
the sound to be influenced by, you know, it being focused or bounced off a wall or something

623
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:52,510
like that.

624
00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:54,110
So that's actually the point.

625
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:55,870
You take something like the metro,

626
00:57:55,870 --> 00:57:57,990
and if you stand at the crossing guard,

627
00:57:58,170 --> 00:57:59,710
the middle of the street, and it goes by it,

628
00:58:00,270 --> 00:58:02,110
it's correct speed, not bad,

629
00:58:02,370 --> 00:58:05,370
that when you put it up against the metal sound barrier walls,

630
00:58:05,710 --> 00:58:07,470
and everything else in the street selecting off of,

631
00:58:07,610 --> 00:58:09,470
it's kind of wild, like how loud it gets.

632
00:58:09,690 --> 00:58:10,770
It can be very loud.

633
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:13,090
And then someone else brought up,

634
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:15,250
another one is against product vibrations, as well,

635
00:58:15,370 --> 00:58:16,490
that's also a thank you.

636
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:17,650
Just things to consider.

637
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:19,150
I'll be looking for those in the notes.

638
00:58:19,290 --> 00:58:19,870
Thank you for your time.

639
00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:44,320
Mr. I'm sorry I haven't heard from you so it's Shlomo Nizani, Nizani? I'm sorry. Are you speaking on this item here? Are you speaking on the next meeting or this item?

640
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:48,520
Are you speaking on this item here and were you speaking on the next meeting?

641
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,940
So I think that's for the general meetings.

642
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,040
We're about to wrap up our, would you do a discussion on, this is about sound and noise

643
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:05,800
ordinance only.

644
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,120
And then we're going to close this meeting out and then have the regular general city council

645
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:10,840
meeting next.

646
00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:11,620
Okay.

647
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:14,400
So this is only for items related to the noise ordinance.

648
00:59:15,380 --> 00:59:16,620
So we, okay.

649
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,320
So that concludes public comment on this item.

650
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:18,800
Okay.

651
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:20,660
Let's go to discussion.

652
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:21,960
You're looking for direction.

653
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:23,200
Understand?

654
00:59:23,980 --> 00:59:24,160
Yes.

655
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:30,760
Yes, if there's some additional homework you'd like staff to do, what would that consist

656
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:31,360
of?

657
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,980
We tried to respond as many of the questions that were brought up at the last meeting

658
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:35,700
as possible.

659
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:41,240
Obviously, as you've heard tonight, this is a sensitive issue that we deal with pretty much

660
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:41,620
daily.

661
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:48,200
So, really, if there's additional questions and research you'd like to have done, please

662
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,080
let us know what that is.

663
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:55,350
So do I have any discussion from Council?

664
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,740
I mean, I think that what we have to.

665
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,940
Embrace is that we get a lot of these, and the problem with the current municipal code is that it's so subjective that it's hard for our staff to do much about things. So I think the, from my perspective, the importance of this item is get some objective measurements. I like the idea of, you know, looking around at others. I like the different zones. I think John and Sheila brought up a couple of good points about maybe the transition

666
01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:31,820
or just a little thought about that.

667
01:00:32,380 --> 01:00:34,240
I don't know if there's homework to be done,

668
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,480
but I think there's maybe just look at some of those

669
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,860
kind of crossover zones, or yeah, parks near residences,

670
01:00:41,860 --> 01:00:44,180
or the Holy Family-specific Plan,

671
01:00:44,180 --> 01:00:45,220
which is near residences.

672
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,100
Just kind of, you target a few of those

673
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:49,640
and just kind of think through

674
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,960
what else might need to be part of the ordinance.

675
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,900
I'm not sure I have an example, but,

676
01:00:57,540 --> 01:00:58,460
or I don't know if I thought,

677
01:00:58,460 --> 01:01:00,380
but I think it does need to be thought through.

678
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,020
But otherwise, I'm generally in favor

679
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:05,080
of the way the direction this is going.

680
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,200
And I also think on some of these items,

681
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,580
we can always come back if it turns out

682
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:11,360
that there's decibels are way too high,

683
01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:12,820
the decibels are way too low.

684
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,280
I think we'll know pretty quickly.

685
01:01:16,580 --> 01:01:19,940
I think my concern is changing,

686
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,380
increasing the noise levels

687
01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:25,010
because there are, you know,

688
01:01:25,010 --> 01:01:31,710
usage is during the daytime that are naturally louder, but they're acceptable, but changing

689
01:01:31,710 --> 01:01:36,830
that so it goes all the way till 10 p.m. So, what I'd almost want to do is look at the

690
01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:44,650
evening rates to see. So, I understand, like, Mission Street is a more of a commercial

691
01:01:44,650 --> 01:01:50,530
area, I think, being consistent with, like, San Marino. I can understand that for Mission

692
01:01:51,930 --> 01:01:56,970
but then I think when we look at the transition spaces

693
01:01:56,970 --> 01:02:00,030
and the residential, I think we have to be more sensitive.

694
01:02:00,690 --> 01:02:03,110
There were actually no change in recommendation

695
01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:07,910
for the central portion across from Garfield,

696
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:10,090
across from Orange Grove Park.

697
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:13,330
I know that was stated in this comment,

698
01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:18,250
but looking at the map, it's exactly the same as Option 1 and Option 2

699
01:02:18,250 --> 01:02:19,730
for that area.

700
01:02:19,730 --> 01:02:23,190
Yeah, it's just that Orange Grove Park is directly across the street from a residential.

701
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:34,410
So I think I'd be careful about changing noise, you know, increase the decibels to fit

702
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:39,210
what people would like it to be for their use, because there's also areas like just going

703
01:02:39,210 --> 01:02:44,050
back to like Eddie Park, for instance, like understanding the contextual places where then

704
01:02:44,050 --> 01:02:51,890
And we have an opportunity when it comes to the Royo is a place where I think can handle

705
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:55,210
more noise than that's an open space that can be handled more noise.

706
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:57,990
So having that contextual difference between the Royo.

707
01:02:58,970 --> 01:03:04,950
I mean, I think maybe the homework might be for the areas that we've mentioned, the sort

708
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:11,030
of kind of transition or stepped up or I want to remember what John said, but maybe it'd

709
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:17,150
interesting, for example, on the pickleball, what is that noise there now? And then also

710
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:21,170
what, from a, from a home understand point across the street on Orange Grove, you know,

711
01:03:21,230 --> 01:03:24,730
or on, on El Central, like what is the noise there? It'd be nice, because you did do some

712
01:03:24,730 --> 01:03:29,310
measurements in some of these places, but maybe in sort of some of these contextual zones

713
01:03:29,310 --> 01:03:35,890
or the, the kind of, um, transfer, transfer zones, maybe doing a, just a couple, I don't

714
01:03:35,890 --> 01:03:40,030
know, Todd, I don't know if you believe, I think just it, just so we have an idea of what's

715
01:03:40,030 --> 01:04:10,010
coming. Yeah, I mean we we could certainly and I think we have taken those numbers. It's also that's one that's also going to be I'm hoping improved with a with a new recommendation will be coming to you in the next meeting or two with limiting the hours of pickle balls of I believe we'll be starting at like seven or eight o'clock in the morning and then wrapping it up at 8 30 or nine somewhere in that area. So that will sort of we're hoping that situation will help improve. It's you know through some of those changes.

716
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:10,270
changes.

717
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:15,990
Also, our staff is looking at some additional sound proofing in those courts just to see

718
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:19,730
if that would also make a 5 or 10 decibel level difference as well.

719
01:04:21,430 --> 01:04:25,810
That particular concern, I'm hoping that we've got some ideas that will lower that with

720
01:04:26,370 --> 01:04:27,470
outside of the ordinance.

721
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:33,150
In terms of the ordinance, I'm hearing some of the questions about that we go too far.

722
01:04:33,790 --> 01:04:38,790
The last meeting, there was a concern that we were too tight with the ordinance, so I think

723
01:04:38,790 --> 01:04:42,790
you're right it's you know it's we're trying to build in a little bit of leeway here to try to

724
01:04:42,790 --> 01:04:46,730
work with our residents and I think that's something that needs to be said is we're not out there

725
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:52,570
trying to ticket everybody you know especially these one-off issues I mean neighbors tend to work

726
01:04:52,570 --> 01:04:57,250
pretty well with themselves on birthday parties and weddings if they you know they especially

727
01:04:57,250 --> 01:05:00,570
if they've lived there a while they tend to go out and talk to their neighbors and say hey you know

728
01:05:00,570 --> 01:05:05,150
we're going to be making some noise it's that's really not what what we're after right now it's that

729
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:11,310
that it's that perpetual, or those complaints that continue to come through in a more consistent

730
01:05:11,310 --> 01:05:17,010
manner, where residents' quality life is being impacted, and we need some objective way

731
01:05:17,010 --> 01:05:18,130
to prove our case.

732
01:05:18,570 --> 01:05:23,230
So I think it's, you know, we're trying to put a little bit more science behind this, but

733
01:05:23,230 --> 01:05:26,530
there's always going to be kind of the art of people working with each other too.

734
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:30,110
And I don't think we can write an ordinance that tightens that down too much.

735
01:05:30,110 --> 01:05:36,670
I mean, one thing we could consider is a frivolous complaint ordinance, and see if there's someone who's

736
01:05:36,670 --> 01:05:42,410
You know calling the police for things like, you know, kids laughing in the backyard

737
01:05:42,410 --> 01:05:47,510
Then that's that becomes a problem. We do it once you can do a couple times with the police come out

738
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:51,930
Then it's actually like, okay, this is getting to a point where a neighbor dispute is

739
01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:54,190
Using city resources

740
01:05:54,190 --> 01:05:59,810
is that is after checking through conditions, what not.

741
01:06:00,050 --> 01:06:05,670
The other quick thing I would say is there are on Meridian, for instance, the farmer's

742
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:10,010
market, but the farmer's market would have a temporary use permit or has a use permit,

743
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:12,210
so that would not necessarily change.

744
01:06:12,730 --> 01:06:16,390
If there's a place where we're having temporary use permits, it's not necessarily changing

745
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:21,770
the whole zone, but it's considering that that happens like one night a week or whatever,

746
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:23,650
or a couple nights a week.

747
01:06:23,650 --> 01:06:29,890
And I think also, I don't know, I am guessing you've done the sound measurements on L-Centro

748
01:06:29,890 --> 01:06:35,870
around the new development with Vietacos, or there's some new things coming to town

749
01:06:35,870 --> 01:06:38,970
and be kind of interesting to know what those measurements look like as well,

750
01:06:39,090 --> 01:06:44,990
both from the person making the noise and from the recipients standpoint.

751
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,920
And I think we did have a good point brought up by one of our speakers tonight in terms

752
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:59,700
of the standards that the Plan Commission considers and it's a really good point, you know, wherever

753
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:05,860
this ordinance is set in the decibel levels there shouldn't be a CUP where they're brought

754
01:07:05,860 --> 01:07:13,100
in and allowed to exceed that either. So another important change that we're trying to make here

755
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:16,400
and giving a little bit more direction and specificity on those ordinance numbers.

756
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,920
Do you have any further discussion before we close out this meeting?

757
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:27,900
I think a couple of things one is that I guess I don't know if you folks are, it doesn't

758
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:31,140
sound like we're willing to entertain something that makes this time of day dependent.

759
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:38,680
One, the second would be how I don't see how this addresses multifamily properties.

760
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:46,320
So I think would be willing to, if we went for the full increases, I would be willing

761
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:52,200
to entertain a more nuanced approach to the evening piece of what considered evening.

762
01:07:53,000 --> 01:08:00,880
It made it as hard because again, if somebody has a party one time, to me, that's very different

763
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,660
than if somebody is having a party every single night.

764
01:08:04,660 --> 01:08:10,380
right, but the multi-family, I'm not sure. So I'm a part of like developers, it is their

765
01:08:10,380 --> 01:08:15,520
responsibility to put in the noise proofing aspects into their built. And that is, it's-

766
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,820
But I don't see like if you have a like a multi-unit apartment complex, the property line is at

767
01:08:19,820 --> 01:08:24,340
the sidewalk. And so if two residents have an issue with one creating more, too much sound,

768
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:27,240
that's the serving the other. I don't see how the noise ordinance would apply.

769
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,100
So I think that that is a different, let's go ahead and ask.

770
01:08:31,060 --> 01:08:36,880
If it's tenants in apartments next door to each other complaining that's more of a

771
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,420
civil issue.

772
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:38,640
It wouldn't be regulated.

773
01:08:38,780 --> 01:08:38,840
Right.

774
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:41,480
That's private property.

775
01:08:41,780 --> 01:08:47,740
That's two tenants sharing property within the same private property line.

776
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:48,240
Right.

777
01:08:48,460 --> 01:08:48,840
Exactly.

778
01:08:49,380 --> 01:08:53,500
And so that's kind of my point is that if you're creating a system that's measuring things

779
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:59,800
at the property line, in instances where you have two people in a multi-unit building,

780
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:05,280
there's a good chance that significant portion of people in the city won't be served by

781
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:06,260
this ordinance, essentially.

782
01:09:06,940 --> 01:09:11,160
I don't think we have jurisdiction to be able to go inside apartment buildings and decide

783
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:12,140
that.

784
01:09:14,420 --> 01:09:21,080
That's not where we have the jurisdiction, but I think we're really struggling with, is

785
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:26,920
any of this going to be so unrealistically raising expectations unrealistically that

786
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,980
it's going to create more problems than it's worth, I think the Council is very clear

787
01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:37,420
that having objective measurements and an enforcement mechanism that is spelled out,

788
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,640
I think we absolutely need to move toward that.

789
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:47,220
But I'm just wondering where the rubber meets the road in some of these use cases, we need

790
01:09:47,220 --> 01:09:48,020
to be ready for this.

791
01:09:48,020 --> 01:09:52,520
Now obviously staff, you're the front line responders, so you're going to, you're already

792
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,560
anticipating okay where are we going to have this response issue.

793
01:09:55,980 --> 01:10:00,860
But you know, it comes back to Council if we have approved this without sufficient vetting.

794
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:06,740
I think we need another round at looking at some of these use cases and some of the backed

795
01:10:06,740 --> 01:10:08,540
up zone one, zone three interactions.

796
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,840
And I think I'd be more comfortable if we had a little bit more analysis of that.

797
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:21,420
In these cases, I think you're referring to the zone 3 being next to the zone 1 properties.

798
01:10:22,020 --> 01:10:26,060
And is the question, how would we mediate these concerns?

799
01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:27,480
Is it how would we approve you?

800
01:10:28,140 --> 01:10:33,260
I mean, I'm assuming it's how would we address these concerns that are going on?

801
01:10:33,340 --> 01:10:41,420
If you've got properties in zone 1 being that surround a zone 3 property and what does that look like?

802
01:10:41,460 --> 01:10:42,540
Is that kind of what we're getting at?

803
01:10:42,540 --> 01:10:50,340
Yes, it is and I also want to address maybe a presumption that was made that you know we're more active in terms of our

804
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:57,960
commercial activities in San Reno. San Reno has larger parcels, so that sound gets spread out a lot more. So

805
01:10:58,540 --> 01:11:02,460
increasing our decibels with smaller parcels actually

806
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,120
is a very different kind of regulatory standard than San Reno.

807
01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:12,760
Additionally to that, this is something that I'm like thinking about is that like different

808
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,980
properties, their orientation relative to the property line is different.

809
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:21,400
So the same noise from one parcel that has like a 20 foot setback is very different than

810
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:25,580
that same exact occurrence with a 5 foot setback.

811
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:30,840
And I think that like, if you're trying to reconcile that, if you're going to need to have

812
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:36,260
a lot more analysis in the way this is written into my mind.

813
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,900
I don't think so because I think in that case they're measuring it from the sidewalk.

814
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:46,980
So it really doesn't matter where your property line and do some people have a more luck

815
01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:48,260
than other sort of thing.

816
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:53,560
You have to mitigate the sound and it's a standard that you have to mitigate the sound to

817
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,020
meet that.

818
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:55,400
It's not fair.

819
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,620
I can't turn it upside as my neighbor.

820
01:11:58,980 --> 01:12:07,760
I also think, I do think given all the variety of that we have in South Pasadena, commercial,

821
01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:15,040
multi-family, smaller, larger lots, I think we could litigate this to death ourselves at

822
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,360
some point, we have to just kind of embrace something and adopt it.

823
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:23,460
And then I think I do think we'll know pretty quickly because we don't have any numbers

824
01:12:23,460 --> 01:12:23,860
right now.

825
01:12:23,860 --> 01:12:24,860
We talk about increasing.

826
01:12:24,860 --> 01:12:33,860
But I think it was a pretty good idea to make those measurements and then like let's try to get everybody in compliance, right, so that makes sense to me.

827
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,760
I just think it's just going to be in my mind when it gets adopted.

828
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,320
We're going to have to monitor this a little bit and see how that goes.

829
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:45,000
Sure. I agree.

830
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:49,890
Is that enough information?

831
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:56,250
I think we've got a couple of things that we can come back to you with and then I think

832
01:12:56,250 --> 01:13:00,950
at some point we just, we need to put this in place, we've got the tools and we can

833
01:13:00,950 --> 01:13:02,310
always correct it down the road.

834
01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:08,570
But, is Erica stated, I mean, it's a much more common sense approach we're trying to

835
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:10,650
get folks to comply, trying to be respectful.

836
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:16,610
We understand the fear that the ordinance get weaponized and the desperate levels get weaponized.

837
01:13:16,730 --> 01:13:17,410
It already is.

838
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:18,250
Right.

839
01:13:18,250 --> 01:13:24,690
So, you know, and I think the problem with the staff's facing is right now, it's just so vague

840
01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:30,370
that there haven't trouble bringing some issues to resolution, whereas this will help us quite a bit.

841
01:13:31,390 --> 01:13:35,990
Yeah, I mean, I think my one concern, I agree with the fine-tuning and going ahead,

842
01:13:36,250 --> 01:13:41,790
figuring out passing. It comes on the new developments and new permits, and that would be

843
01:13:41,790 --> 01:13:47,590
under the CUP standards. So that's one that's harder to pull back once you've provided the CUP,

844
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:50,610
that that's where that would be violent consent.

845
01:13:50,670 --> 01:13:54,510
Yeah, and I think something for you to think about since we're going to handle this one more time

846
01:13:54,510 --> 01:14:00,050
is you could always be a little more restrictive. It's easier to loosen it up if you feel like you

847
01:14:00,050 --> 01:14:04,370
need to than to start scaling it back because people are going to have vested rights once they get

848
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:09,330
those approvals and they open up and you're not going to be able, it's not going to be so easy if it's

849
01:14:09,330 --> 01:14:14,150
time to see you pay. In fact, you know, to scale it back so there may be something to be said for

850
01:14:14,150 --> 01:14:19,130
scaling back those own twos you're worried about for that reason and you can always loosen

851
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:20,150
them up later if you want.

852
01:14:20,510 --> 01:14:20,690
Okay.

853
01:14:21,310 --> 01:14:21,830
All right.

854
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:23,450
Thank you.

855
01:14:23,650 --> 01:14:30,610
So if I have a deal further comments from the council, then we'll go ahead and adjourn this

856
01:14:30,610 --> 01:14:32,930
meeting at 717 p.m.

857
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:38,970
And I think we're going to go ahead and move, do you guys want a minute break or if you want

858
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:40,170
to just move directly into the next meeting?

859
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:41,210
All right.

860
01:14:41,290 --> 01:14:41,610
Let's go.

861
01:14:41,710 --> 01:14:42,690
We're going to go to the next meeting.

862
01:14:42,690 --> 01:14:47,050
All right. So good evening. I don't know how to order the meeting of the adjourned regular

863
01:14:47,050 --> 01:14:52,850
city council meeting of the self-passing city council at 7.17 p.m. Chief City Clerk Newsom

864
01:14:52,850 --> 01:14:53,630
please call the roll.

865
01:14:54,170 --> 01:14:54,830
Councilmember Broad.

866
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:55,470
Here.

867
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:56,470
Councilmember Primeth.

868
01:14:56,670 --> 01:14:56,730
Here.

869
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:57,910
Councilmember Ketchiodi.

870
01:14:57,930 --> 01:14:58,030
Here.

871
01:14:58,230 --> 01:14:59,070
Mayor Pluton Ferguson.

872
01:14:59,370 --> 01:14:59,490
Here.

873
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:24,260
Here, we have a quorum. Thank you. So council member Ron will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Please rise and let's put your hand every heart and recite with me. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

874
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:36,600
Okay. I would like to invite Olivia Radville, senior librarian at the

875
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,320
South Passing Public Library to present on the new Library

876
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:40,920
Campaign through the decades.

877
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:43,720
Is Olivia here?

878
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:56,600
Well, maybe she's outside.

879
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:57,520
Should I be outside?

880
01:16:29,730 --> 01:16:31,570
Hello, thank you so much for having me.

881
01:16:31,950 --> 01:16:32,790
My name's Olivia.

882
01:16:33,190 --> 01:16:35,550
I'm one of the librarians at the South Pass Library.

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And I wanted to talk a little bit about our library

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campaign that we have happening right now.

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It's September through November.

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And I do have some slides.

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Am I good?

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No problem.

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Well,

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can I start talking before the slides start?

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Is that okay?

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Okay.

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So, essentially, we are a Carnegie library.

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In 1906, we received a $10,000 grant from the Carnegie Corporation to construct our

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library building.

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It's not the actual building that is there now.

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It did move in 1930, however, components of the original library were moved to the center

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of the block.

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So, in honor of the 250th birthday of America, we received another $10,000 grant from the

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Carnegie Corporation.

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It is basically no strings, there's no reporting requirement, it is literally just essentially

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a donation that they are making to every library that is a Carnegie library that is still

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operating as a public library.

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It also happens to coincide with the fact that we are now 120 years since we received

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our first grant from the Carnegie Corporation.

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So that is where the funding came from.

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And what we have decided to do with it is a library campaign September through November

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to celebrate this anniversary.

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So there are a few different components to the campaign.

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You'll see in a moment, but first we have special edition library cards that they came out

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on the 14th. We ordered a thousand of them and we had a local graphic designer do the artwork

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for them to celebrate the occasion. There is an illustration once it pops up of our Morton Bay

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fig tree on the side of the building and we've received a lot of positive feedback from the community.

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The second thing that we have are our decade kits. So all of our kits look like this.

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We have them from 1900 through 2000.

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The idea behind these kits, you can forward.

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Can we do a quick, she's showing us,

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or a decade kit, is it possible to?

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So this is the artwork for our library card,

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and that is also our logo for the campaign.

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If you want to forward ahead one slide,

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you'll see what the cards look like.

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And then South Pass Public Library,

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we have in gold foil on the actual printed card.

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And this is the design from the artist that we were very excited to have done.

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And then if you forward one more, so these are again our decade kits.

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So to look back in time as we're celebrating this occasion,

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we decided to create and curate a kit for each decade from 1900 through 2000.

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The idea behind these kits is they're part of our library of things

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was also launched on the 14th of this month.

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That's a content that you can check out

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from the library including outdoor games

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and musical instruments.

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With your library card you can also check out these kits.

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Each kit contains two pieces of children's literature

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that we thought were representative of that decade.

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They were either popular in their time

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or have since had a larger cultural impact

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and came out during that time.

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And then we've included two pieces of either analog technology, toys, games, or artifacts

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that we thought were representative of that decade.

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The idea being that families can check these out and explore that time period.

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With each kit comes a little card.

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On the back of the card is a paragraph about what was happening in South Pasadena during that

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decade, and then why the items in the kit were selected to represent that decade.

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We've actually checked out most of them so far, there's 11 total, so I brought one as

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an example.

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This is one of our remaining ones that has not yet been checked out.

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This is our 1950 kit.

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We have a copy of the Lonely's All.

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We have a copy of Little Bear.

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We have a woolly, woolly, and a magic eight ball.

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We've actually received a lot of requests from parents regarding analog technology, and

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if their kids can see like what a cassette player is and what a CD player is.

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So, those are the 80s and 90s kids.

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We do have, I think, a Tomagachi in the 2000 kit.

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If you want to forward ahead, one more slide.

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Then we have also added for this campaign

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a series of programming, the idea of being

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that this is an eclectic series of programming.

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Everything is family-friendly.

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These are just ways that we can reflect on our culture,

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our community and come together

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and provide opportunities for families

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is to engage with the library.

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So a few big ones coming up.

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I won't go through every single one.

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We have the Genealogy Fair is happening on October 3rd.

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This is our first genealogy fair.

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It's going to include its October 3rd

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at the library from 10 to 3.

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It will include three presentations.

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First will be a Genealogy 101 workshop.

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Second will be Eugene Moy, the former president

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of the Chinese Historical Society.

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We'll talk about Chinese American Genealogy

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in Southern California.

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And then our last will be a presentation.

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It's a short film screening by a local

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documentarian and author, K. Morandian,

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called My Mother's Voice.

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And then she will talk a little bit

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about her family research regarding her mother's experience

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escaping the Armenian genocide.

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We will also have exhibitors there,

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including the South Press Preservation Foundation,

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the California African-American Genological Society,

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and the Immigrant Genological Society.

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So that's going to be kind of an all day event, so that's one of our bigger ones.

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We also have, on the 12th, A Flamenco performance happening at the library.

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It's all ages.

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They'll be performing in the community room.

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There's no registration, and it starts at 6 p.m.

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And then we are going to end on the 28th, so this is the Saturday after Thanksgiving, with

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a screening of Spirited Away, and we will have a live piano score, so there will be a musician

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doing the score for that film. We thought we would just end on a nice family movie that everyone

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can come. A lot of people have not experienced a live piano score during a film screening. So we

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thought that would be kind of a nice way to wrap up this entire program. So that's the overview.

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That's how we've decided to spend the funds. We wanted to put it toward activities that the

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community would immediately benefit from. And if you have any questions, please let me know.

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Do I have any questions?

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Fantastic.

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This looks like a lot of fun.

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I hope that we get it out to the community to know

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all the great things that are happening in the library.

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Would love to see what the kit looks like from the 1980s.

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Shoulder pads.

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Shoulder pads.

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Shoulder pads.

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Yeah.

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We have to go check that out.

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But I also wanted to, since you're here,

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I think to you earlier,

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but you weren't in presence,

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but back in May,

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Olivia over the weekend quickly pulled together a list of names of all of the South

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Pastina residents who had passed away in war and helped us to do something that now

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we have on file for future Memorial Day services. So I want to thank you in person for that.

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Yeah, thank you so much.

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Okay, we'll now move on to public comments.

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Madam Mayor. Okay, I'll just say my little blurb in an effort to better manage the business

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on the agenda general public comments will be limited to first for 30 minutes at the beginning

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of the agenda. If there are speakers remaining in the queue they will be heard at the end of

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the meeting. If you'd like to make a general public comment for items not listed on the agenda,

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please raise your hand on Zoom now and if you are in the room you need to fill out a card.

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Chiefs to do clerk do some, let's go speakers a few seconds to raise hands fill out cards

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and the clerk will maintain a list of speakers who are in the queue. Ms. Newsom may have

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I have a count of speakers for general public comment.

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Yes, Madam Mayor, we have six speakers in person and one speaker in the via zoom.

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I'm going to call all six names.

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You can please lay up at the podium.

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Colin Campbell.

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Shlomo Nitsani.

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Michelle Clark.

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Steve Novotny.

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Laura Smith.

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And Robert Barone.

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Mr. Campbell.

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You may proceed.

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Hi.

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Just giving a quick status.

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Yes, I got to meet with Internal People last week, which was very exciting, to talk about

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potentially doing a role in some new technology.

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So today, the United Nations was meeting, it was a big topic of conversation, new technology

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President Trump was trying to get us to say not artificial intelligence, but super intelligence.

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So again, this is some big upgrades that are coming and I'd like it if I could present

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you guys some options about how in a small town we could use it to protect our kids and, you know,

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help with food and everything else. Thank you. Shlomo Nittani. Good evening. Welcome

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to the library as usual. Okay. I have one item that I really am very concerned that this city is

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just playing games of just kick the bucket and letting go. Maybe you'll forget about it. Maybe

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some day things will happen. Everything is, we have to do a study. We have to do a study.

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I don't know what study cost. How long does it take? But at the same time, it's about time

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that people are going to do something for the citizens of this community. Before I forget,

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so I want to just mention that instead of painting the pavements, why not we do a good job and

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graded and leveled and put a good pavement they painted my street and now it's all cracking up again so

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waste of money

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anyway

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for the last six months i'm talking with people i took three people on or on with my car on a ride

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to show the bed streets, botholes, signage, we need a study

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So, years ago, before you guys were born, there was a U-turn going west on Freemont and

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Huntington.

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It was on Huntington.

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It disappeared.

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Now, we have a problem.

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The businesses that are on the south side of Freemont are suffering because in order to

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get to them, if you drive west, you have to go half a mile down, make a U-turn on the

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median, get a red light on free month, you cannot get to the market going on free month

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left because there is no there is no left turn, you have to continue and get to the market

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and the cleaners and everybody else there. How long does it take to do a study? Oh, we have

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this project that we have like million and a half was forty million dollars for the honey

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tonne free month project. Do a study spend two thousand dollars twenty thousand of whatever

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There it is, the convenient of the driving public, stop sign on Alpha and La Fremontia,

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top of the hill, you drive up the hill, stop sign, why?

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There is no need for it, it's a small street, there is a stop sign coming from La Fremontia

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into Alpha,

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we need to do a study, everything is a study, so I think we need to change

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something attitude. As far as potholes, I saw some things. Oh, we advertise. We feel

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nine potholes in a big, nice, four color publication that the city published. Nine potholes,

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a million potholes around here. The big ones. Oh, we are hiring a contractor and he's specializing

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there and he's going to do it. It's been like four months since I talked to Basam. He had never

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come back to me. I'll get back with you. I haven't heard him. So we have a problem.

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You guys take care of it.

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The next speaker is Michelle Clark.

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Thank you.

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This just bothers the people on my street where I moved to South Pasadine

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in 1983. This structure was in front of my house and has been there ever since. It turns

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Turns out it was part of the Southern California gas company.

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I have talked to people who come by.

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The fire department, city, people, and many Southern California gas company representatives. And they all say, well, we'll look at doing something about it. And it's still there. 45 or so years later. And so a neighbor came by who lives. A couple of blocks from me. And he was taking a picture because he thought it was something else.

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so I went out and talked to him. He's the one that suggested that I come to the city council just to let you know and find out if something can be done.

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It's it's really an eye sore and I think the lower right hand picture you can see it's been turned around and people.

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We're on a barricaded street and people back into this thing all the time and it's just really a mess.

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So I'm sorry to waste your time with this, but I didn't know what else, who else to contact.

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I think we'll have somebody from the city follow up with you and see if we can get the gas

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company to come get this stuff. Yeah, it's got the old, old gas company logo on the front that you

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can barely see. And it's covered with dirt. My son who lived with me there when we moved in,

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And girls came by, and they would write my heart, Jeff, in the dirt.

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Jeff is 15 now.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:34,610
Thank you.

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Steve Novotny.

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Hi, Steve Novotny from over on Heraman Avenue, and at the previous noise study session,

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I mentioned my next door neighbor, Amari Ferguson's alarm that he has in his backyard that

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goes off several times every evening. I don't even know what this device is and shouldn't

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be like that in a residential neighborhood. And I'm going to play that again for you

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because there had a little audio problem earlier.

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I think anyone else would want to live

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next to that. And I don't think anyone with a noise maker like that in their backyard

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the yard should be in the position of making decisions on the noise ordinance for other people.

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Thank you.

1112
01:33:13,140 --> 01:33:14,000
Laura Smith.

1113
01:33:19,340 --> 01:33:19,780
Good evening.

1114
01:33:20,140 --> 01:33:27,720
The topic of my comment tonight is the Fremont corridor project and the safety issues becoming apparent after the recent community meetings.

1115
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,080
I really hope you hear me on this.

1116
01:33:30,620 --> 01:33:36,520
As it stands now, there are definite, clear, major concerns about the safety of this design.

1117
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:41,040
On night one of the meetings, the consultants were asked about safety data.

1118
01:33:41,420 --> 01:33:44,900
The next day, they came with some numbers from a publicly available website.

1119
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,260
They read them off and said, yep, yep, these numbers are bad.

1120
01:33:48,420 --> 01:33:52,200
We better do something with no further discussion or analysis of that.

1121
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:57,620
Now, separated bike lanes are relatively new in the history of roadways, but studies of

1122
01:33:57,620 --> 01:33:59,480
their safety are indeed out there.

1123
01:34:00,140 --> 01:34:03,000
I sent two examples for last week's packet.

1124
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:09,020
It, one is from 2020 and the others from earlier this year, they each found that the design,

1125
01:34:09,220 --> 01:34:14,560
such as what's being proposed here on Fremont, actually increases crash risk for cyclists.

1126
01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:19,540
And that in fact, crashing into the bike lane separators themselves is a regular occurrence,

1127
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:21,580
resulting in injury or worse.

1128
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:29,580
From one study, on May 3rd, two children under the age of 16 hit curb stops in different incidents that day.

1129
01:34:29,580 --> 01:34:32,900
One of them was thrown into the number two field calling.

1130
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:34,240
Can you imagine?

1131
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:40,620
We're looking at this project in large part because vocal parents wanted safety for their children.

1132
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:43,740
So why are we designing a two-way at all?

1133
01:34:44,380 --> 01:34:48,880
I believe partly because it was the suggestion that came out of the 23 design suret.

1134
01:34:49,540 --> 01:34:53,720
Well, the 25 urban bikeway design guide says the following.

1135
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,280
That unidirectional bike lanes are the preferred design.

1136
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:02,840
They're more intuitive for everyone using the street, including people biking, walking, and driving.

1137
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:08,200
Sorry, bi-directional can be helpful where there's significantly fewer intersections and

1138
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:14,560
driveways than on Fremont, which has 74 intersections and driveways in 1.8 miles.

1139
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:15,220
That's a lot.

1140
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:20,320
When I asked the consultant engineer about the intersections on September 1st, he didn't

1141
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,640
give any answers about how they're looking to address it.

1142
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,660
He seriously looked me straight in the eye and said this is a known risk.

1143
01:35:26,660 --> 01:35:29,620
He said, we're just trying to do the design that was assigned.

1144
01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:32,720
He asked me, please go talk to City Council about this.

1145
01:35:33,740 --> 01:35:36,900
So here I am with far more issues than can be covered in three minutes.

1146
01:35:37,580 --> 01:35:41,460
So I prepared his document for the packet with a lot more detail for your information.

1147
01:35:41,620 --> 01:35:42,800
I hope you take a look at it.

1148
01:35:43,460 --> 01:35:47,520
Please ask the hard questions of those that are working on the design for us.

1149
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:52,320
If you don't get solid and defensible answers, then show the Fremont portion of this project.

1150
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,020
We never conducted a feasibility study.

1151
01:35:56,020 --> 01:35:58,040
This is the study, it's not feasible.

1152
01:35:58,740 --> 01:36:01,300
A bike lane on Fremont was not in our 2011 plan.

1153
01:36:01,940 --> 01:36:03,600
It's not on a Hanover's current plan.

1154
01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:05,440
And there's really good reasons for that.

1155
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,960
Please use the master plan process, hopefully,

1156
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,240
and choose the safest route for our city.

1157
01:36:10,700 --> 01:36:11,020
Thank you.

1158
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:13,660
Robert Burrow.

1159
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:20,450
Good evening.

1160
01:36:20,690 --> 01:36:22,590
There's two issues I'd like to talk about today.

1161
01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:27,210
Both having to do with the Fremont Huntington Corridor project.

1162
01:36:27,890 --> 01:36:30,150
First, there is a traffic study out there.

1163
01:36:30,150 --> 01:36:36,670
I filed an information request back on the 11th of this month, which was denied, asking

1164
01:36:36,670 --> 01:36:39,750
for the traffic study, saying the traffic study is in draft form.

1165
01:36:40,530 --> 01:36:46,490
During the initial public outreach sessions back in February and March, Kim Lee Horne talked

1166
01:36:46,490 --> 01:36:47,590
a lot about this study.

1167
01:36:48,190 --> 01:36:49,490
I asked questions about it.

1168
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:51,090
They said, yeah, we saw the study.

1169
01:36:51,690 --> 01:36:57,270
There isn't going to be a lot of problems from Fremont if we get rid of right-turn-only lanes

1170
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:58,050
off of Northbound.

1171
01:36:59,390 --> 01:37:06,130
off of northbound Fremont on to Huntington Mission in Meridian, and this was six months

1172
01:37:06,130 --> 01:37:14,810
ago. And they use that to put a lot of information into their design that was then given to you

1173
01:37:14,810 --> 01:37:20,490
guys, which you voted for in June. So my question is, if the study was good enough for Kimlee

1174
01:37:20,490 --> 01:37:27,490
Horn to use for the design of the bike lanes and you guys voted on it and approved it, why can't

1175
01:37:27,490 --> 01:37:32,110
We see it. You made decisions based on this information. We should have access to this information.

1176
01:37:33,650 --> 01:37:36,870
So also in white and still a draft report after six months.

1177
01:37:37,930 --> 01:37:40,450
The other thing I'd like to talk about are project updates.

1178
01:37:41,450 --> 01:37:44,770
A little over a week ago, there were a couple weeks ago, there was a session

1179
01:37:45,770 --> 01:37:48,910
at the middle school and at the library giving us updates.

1180
01:37:49,130 --> 01:37:54,570
And I noticed that there was a presentation that said there's project updates. And some of these updates

1181
01:37:54,570 --> 01:38:00,270
States are not, we're not as citizens given an opportunity to see these before they're

1182
01:38:00,270 --> 01:38:04,870
presented to us, also, so it's kind of like they're sprung on us, we don't have enough

1183
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:07,430
time to take a look at them, they're just, here they are.

1184
01:38:07,570 --> 01:38:12,870
And the examples are like pocket parks or the three pocket parks that are proposed or eliminating

1185
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:17,330
the slip lane right turn only from Huntington onto Northbound Fremont.

1186
01:38:17,330 --> 01:38:30,970
So it seems to me that this project is now becoming a place where we're going to throw in anything that we can to basically slow down and hurt the traffic on Fremont and Huntington.

1187
01:38:31,610 --> 01:38:37,130
I think the pocket park design is terrible and there's lots of reasons why, which I won't go into today.

1188
01:38:37,130 --> 01:38:44,370
Okay, but it seems like all we care about right now isn't safety, it's about making the

1189
01:38:44,370 --> 01:38:48,570
traffic slower on Fremont, whether or not it's the right thing to do or the safe thing

1190
01:38:48,570 --> 01:38:48,850
to do.

1191
01:38:49,390 --> 01:38:54,470
We're looking to punish people who are using South Pasadena as a cut-through, but we're

1192
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:57,770
also punishing all the people that live and work in the city.

1193
01:38:58,370 --> 01:39:03,530
It takes 15 minutes sometimes on a Thursday to get from my house, which is just north of

1194
01:39:03,530 --> 01:39:08,210
on free month out of the city if I'm going a free month which is ridiculous so

1195
01:39:08,210 --> 01:39:13,150
please urge you to consider all the stakeholders and not just those that want

1196
01:39:13,150 --> 01:39:16,210
a bike lane or want to slow down traffic on free might have a new thank you very

1197
01:39:16,210 --> 01:39:19,770
much. We have one speaker via zoom.

1198
01:39:23,060 --> 01:39:26,840
Oliver McIrman you may proceed. Hello can

1199
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:31,880
you hear me? Yes we can. Great good evening mayor and city council I've had the

1200
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:36,400
pleasure meeting many of you. My name is Oliver Maker when I live on the east side of Fremont Avenue

1201
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:42,420
as well. I wanted to speak also about option 2A which is in the works and is dangerously close

1202
01:39:42,420 --> 01:39:49,780
to home. We paid a premium for our home's accessibility. Previous concerns that I've expressed

1203
01:39:49,780 --> 01:39:55,760
about access have been met with suggestions that public works would modify a side street for loading,

1204
01:39:55,760 --> 01:40:02,060
which is a bitter pill to swallow as it prevents my handicat mother from being safely dropped off

1205
01:40:02,060 --> 01:40:10,460
in front of our own front door. This design takes away basic resident access. I

1206
01:40:10,460 --> 01:40:14,620
looked into discovering the origins of this bike lane and its bike lane and it's

1207
01:40:14,620 --> 01:40:19,960
clearly been in the works for years, but its urgency seems to have begun from a

1208
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:26,520
need to connect the bike lane development, Alhambra was planning. South Pasadena took

1209
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:32,280
this urgency and raised ahead, but then Alhambra published their active transportation

1210
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:41,760
plan, which clearly shows they evaluated safety and three month ranked very low. Alhambra

1211
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:48,580
deprioritized this route, essentially killing their half of the idea. And then on the other

1212
01:40:48,580 --> 01:40:52,040
side of our city, Pasadena has no plans for connecting the bike lane.

1213
01:40:53,380 --> 01:40:59,800
Laura Smith spoke easy earlier. She's my neighbor and she's compiled on her own a ton of

1214
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:05,420
safety data showing how dangerous option 2A really is and the data is really compelling.

1215
01:41:06,740 --> 01:41:11,420
I've heard residents raising alarms at the info meetings but the city presses forward

1216
01:41:12,540 --> 01:41:20,520
unabashedly to chase an expiring grant which only covers barely 13% of the total cost.

1217
01:41:22,140 --> 01:41:26,700
And then, if you look at the state actions in Anita's down in San Diego, they have a similar

1218
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:31,260
bike lane and grants like these can come with strings attached.

1219
01:41:32,380 --> 01:41:36,720
Their bike lanes happen to be locked. They can't remove the bike lanes that are,

1220
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:40,880
Like I said, they're quite similar, and in many ways safer than ours.

1221
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:47,920
And they found that their bike lanes cause accidents and block emergency vehicles.

1222
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,840
They voted to remove them, but they can't.

1223
01:41:51,140 --> 01:41:53,980
They won't be able to, for 20 years, due to the legislation.

1224
01:41:56,230 --> 01:42:00,150
I don't know how she has the time for it, but Laura shows me more and more compelling safety

1225
01:42:00,150 --> 01:42:00,570
studies.

1226
01:42:01,530 --> 01:42:04,510
And shouldn't these studies not becoming from residents?

1227
01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:09,990
Isn't it the design team's job to publish these risks before any votes were cast?

1228
01:42:11,470 --> 01:42:17,070
Things like hazards from physical ballards, mitigations for 20 mile per hour downhill

1229
01:42:17,070 --> 01:42:23,830
bikes, and the liability of having an order of magnitude more right hook blind turns than

1230
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:25,830
that failed Encinitas project?

1231
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:32,490
I'll have a look at all the data and step back. Why aren't we rushing to connect with them there?

1232
01:42:34,670 --> 01:42:39,530
And then for construction, we're looking at breaking ground next year, overlapping with fair.

1233
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:43,790
We need to stop the end of time for public comment. Thank you.

1234
01:42:44,290 --> 01:42:46,130
Do we have any more on Zoom?

1235
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:48,330
That concludes public comment for this evening.

1236
01:42:48,930 --> 01:42:49,110
Okay.

1237
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:55,560
There being no one else present to speak, I'll now declare the public comment period closed.

1238
01:42:55,560 --> 01:43:00,460
Now we're going to move on to changes to the agenda. Does the council have any reordering

1239
01:43:00,460 --> 01:43:02,580
of additions or deletions to the agenda?

1240
01:43:07,770 --> 01:43:08,650
Any from council?

1241
01:43:09,490 --> 01:43:14,190
Okay. So moving on to the consent calendar, items listed under the consent calendar are

1242
01:43:14,190 --> 01:43:18,210
considered by the city manager to be routine nature and will be enacted by one motion unless

1243
01:43:18,210 --> 01:43:22,510
the public comment has been received or council member requests otherwise, in which case

1244
01:43:22,510 --> 01:43:27,450
the item will be removed for separate consideration. Any motion relating to an ordinance or resolution

1245
01:43:27,450 --> 01:43:32,610
will also waive the reading of the ordinance or resolution and include its introduction or adoption as appropriate.

1246
01:43:33,110 --> 01:43:36,350
Do we have any member of the public wishing to speak on a consent calendar item?

1247
01:43:36,970 --> 01:43:39,290
Madam Mayor, we have one speaker on item 14.

1248
01:43:39,970 --> 01:43:40,130
Okay.

1249
01:43:41,370 --> 01:43:47,730
I move to approve items 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 15.

1250
01:43:49,370 --> 01:43:50,130
Okay, the second?

1251
01:43:50,430 --> 01:43:50,810
Second.

1252
01:43:50,970 --> 01:43:52,190
Just a quick question of 15.

1253
01:43:52,370 --> 01:43:54,670
That includes an amendment to add the intersection.

1254
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:55,750
Yes, yes.

1255
01:43:55,930 --> 01:43:56,810
Thank you, Michael.

1256
01:43:56,810 --> 01:44:00,470
Yes, that would include the ad doc amendment type of thing.

1257
01:44:01,510 --> 01:44:03,250
Bonnere wrote in Milen, right?

1258
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:03,630
Yes.

1259
01:44:04,250 --> 01:44:04,530
Perfect.

1260
01:44:04,670 --> 01:44:04,890
I'll take it.

1261
01:44:04,890 --> 01:44:05,030
Yes.

1262
01:44:05,150 --> 01:44:05,330
Thank you.

1263
01:44:05,550 --> 01:44:08,210
Or is it, is that the Fletcher, Fletcher and Elhamber?

1264
01:44:08,250 --> 01:44:09,190
Or is that Monterey Milen?

1265
01:44:09,290 --> 01:44:11,670
Fletcher will, Fletcher and Elhamber will be done.

1266
01:44:13,150 --> 01:44:18,250
Councilmember catchy out ahead brought up to us a few months ago a request on Milen and

1267
01:44:18,850 --> 01:44:19,330
Monterey.

1268
01:44:19,970 --> 01:44:24,010
Michael Martian's did put a memo in the packet stating that intersection would be handled.

1269
01:44:24,250 --> 01:44:24,470
Okay.

1270
01:44:24,770 --> 01:44:25,550
It includes that.

1271
01:44:25,550 --> 01:44:27,030
Yes. Okay. Yeah.

1272
01:44:29,330 --> 01:44:31,190
Yes. Okay. Let's take a roll call.

1273
01:44:31,770 --> 01:44:34,050
Councilmember Braun. Yes. Councilmember Primeth. Yes.

1274
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:37,270
Councilmember Ketchiodi. Yes. Mayor Patin Ferguson. Yes.

1275
01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:42,150
And Mayor Rossi. Yes. Okay. Moving on to item number 14,

1276
01:44:42,150 --> 01:44:45,170
consideration of approval of a memorandum of agreement with the St.

1277
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:48,850
Jubil Valley Council of Governments for continued participation in the fresh

1278
01:44:48,850 --> 01:44:53,410
SGV regional food recovery program. So we have public work structure truly in

1279
01:44:53,410 --> 01:44:54,490
leave will present item.

1280
01:44:56,850 --> 01:44:59,670
Madam Mayor, did you want a staff presentation?

1281
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,040
Let's get a question first. I'm sorry. Let's go ahead and get the public comment first. I'm sorry. Colin Campbell.

1282
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:36,720
All right. Hi, Colin Campbell. So I'll pass it in resident. So I hope I volunteer with the food locker for St. James. And Mike know he expressed that this is being discussed for the SGV regional food recovery. One is I completely support it. Fantastic. My question is that my interest is is there a way that

1283
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:42,240
that this city program could work with the existing programs that we have going on.

1284
01:45:43,580 --> 01:45:51,440
And you know, I volunteer, I'm not here representing St. James or the food locker program

1285
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:51,840
right now.

1286
01:45:51,980 --> 01:45:56,980
I'm just, it would be nice if we could coordinate and share information and try to do things

1287
01:45:56,980 --> 01:45:58,580
better to recover food.

1288
01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:02,660
And if there's a way that we could coordinate, that would be really nice.

1289
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:03,660
Thank you.

1290
01:46:03,660 --> 01:46:04,640
So,

1291
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:15,200
Jillian, without doing the presentation, I'll just go ahead and ask the question,

1292
01:46:15,540 --> 01:46:16,880
is there coordination that happens?

1293
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,440
Well, how does this food locker program work exactly?

1294
01:46:19,940 --> 01:46:26,360
I think definitely it could be possible we'll reach out to the SGV Cog on the effort we'll

1295
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:31,560
coordinate with the locker, as far as the program joining together.

1296
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:33,440
I'll reach out to them to coordinate them.

1297
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:33,980
Okay.

1298
01:46:33,980 --> 01:46:34,020
Yeah.

1299
01:46:34,580 --> 01:46:35,020
Great.

1300
01:46:35,380 --> 01:46:36,100
Is there any further?

1301
01:46:36,820 --> 01:46:37,020
Go ahead.

1302
01:46:37,380 --> 01:46:40,300
You're just just in part of the coordination Julian is the Holy Family Church.

1303
01:46:40,780 --> 01:46:41,600
They're part of it.

1304
01:46:41,660 --> 01:46:46,900
I've seen the people come from SGV, but they've hired the consultant to actually monitor volunteering

1305
01:46:46,900 --> 01:46:47,660
here on Mondays.

1306
01:46:47,740 --> 01:46:49,040
They come every couple of months.

1307
01:46:49,340 --> 01:46:50,000
Kind of come in.

1308
01:46:50,180 --> 01:46:51,100
They walked the premises.

1309
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:52,260
They check what's going on.

1310
01:46:52,940 --> 01:46:54,160
You've got the right publications up.

1311
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:56,060
People are in line asking questions.

1312
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:01,140
But yeah, I don't feel for a coordinate with your Friday saying, James, I've been over there

1313
01:47:01,140 --> 01:47:07,160
once, but there may be an opportunity so, but they do, I know we've expanded our pick-up,

1314
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:13,320
and actually I want to thank you because this program in the last three years has really

1315
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:18,200
helped me have been able to secure, I advise him, and I want to thank Lieutenant Roblato

1316
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:18,880
who was here.

1317
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:24,600
I mean, I worked on a grant with Martin Moore for $50,000 was successful, just a few weeks

1318
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:30,100
ago we got an $80,000 new truck through this program, so it's really important, it saves

1319
01:47:30,100 --> 01:47:35,200
There's a lot of money, but also they've expanded to both

1320
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:38,720
trader joes, picking up every day, and also what's the place

1321
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:39,640
on Huntington and Fremont?

1322
01:47:42,540 --> 01:47:45,720
That's been added, so as we give out food, I've seen the

1323
01:47:46,220 --> 01:47:50,680
shopping carts expand exponentially, with great steaks and

1324
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:54,040
meats and chickens and things like that, so it's a great program,

1325
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:55,260
but we probably do better things.

1326
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:56,240
Thank you.

1327
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:58,480
It wasn't.

1328
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:04,560
All right, so let's go ahead and take a drive of motion.

1329
01:48:04,980 --> 01:48:06,060
Move to approval.

1330
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:06,960
Second.

1331
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:08,100
Okay, let's take a vote.

1332
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:10,240
Yes.

1333
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:10,820
Councillor Marbraun.

1334
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:11,980
Councillor Marraprimuth.

1335
01:48:12,140 --> 01:48:12,240
Yes.

1336
01:48:12,540 --> 01:48:13,280
Councillor Ketchiodi.

1337
01:48:13,300 --> 01:48:13,460
Yes.

1338
01:48:13,700 --> 01:48:14,420
Mayor Patin Ferguson.

1339
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:14,900
Yes.

1340
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:15,540
Mayor Raffi.

1341
01:48:15,820 --> 01:48:15,940
Yes.

1342
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:17,960
Moving on to public hearing.

1343
01:48:18,660 --> 01:48:19,600
Item number 16.

1344
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:22,200
Continuation of Public Hearing for Transit Oriented Development.

1345
01:48:22,700 --> 01:48:26,940
Alternative plan pursuant to Senate Bill 79 to a date uncertain.

1346
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:35,640
So we'll have a community development director, Erica Ramirez, speak on this item.

1347
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,940
Madam Mayor, did you want to read the rest of the field?

1348
01:48:39,220 --> 01:48:39,920
Sure, of course.

1349
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:45,580
So it is recommended the City Council open the public hearing and continue the public hearing

1350
01:48:45,580 --> 01:48:49,880
concerning the proposed transit-oriented development alternative plan pursuant to Senate Bill 79.

1351
01:48:50,460 --> 01:48:57,760
Government code section 65912.155 and direct staff to republish the public hearing notice

1352
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:00,140
so once a new hearing date is established.

1353
01:49:00,820 --> 01:49:02,440
This is the time and place for the public hearing,

1354
01:49:02,620 --> 01:49:03,720
continuation of the public hearing

1355
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,520
for a transit-oriented development alternative plan

1356
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:10,440
pursuant to Senate Bill 79, to date and certain,

1357
01:49:10,700 --> 01:49:12,500
and now I would like to ask me to follow

1358
01:49:12,500 --> 01:49:13,140
the director of the hearing,

1359
01:49:13,180 --> 01:49:15,720
whereas please come to the podium and present the staff report.

1360
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:18,340
Thank you.

1361
01:49:19,020 --> 01:49:19,740
Good evening.

1362
01:49:26,660 --> 01:49:28,660
Good evening, the presentation pulled up.

1363
01:49:29,260 --> 01:49:29,640
There we go.

1364
01:49:42,430 --> 01:49:42,890
Thank you.

1365
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:53,140
Okay, I'm just gonna say it.

1366
01:49:53,140 --> 01:49:54,720
Sorry about that.

1367
01:49:56,670 --> 01:49:57,690
Thank you.

1368
01:49:58,270 --> 01:50:01,470
On July 1st, SB 79 became effective.

1369
01:50:01,790 --> 01:50:06,710
As a reminder, this is a requirement that the city allow an increase in density and

1370
01:50:06,710 --> 01:50:11,970
heights within a quarter mile of the Metro A line station on Meridian Mission, subject

1371
01:50:11,970 --> 01:50:13,550
to site and project criteria.

1372
01:50:14,350 --> 01:50:16,770
On July 15th, the city council took action.

1373
01:50:17,490 --> 01:50:23,250
Council adopted an urgency ordinance to exempt all sites that already are zoned at 50 dwelling

1374
01:50:23,250 --> 01:50:30,210
units per acre within that quarter mile. Council also adopted two ordinances, one which mimics

1375
01:50:30,210 --> 01:50:35,750
the urgency ordinance and another that exempt sites that were locally designated as historic landmarks

1376
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:41,330
within that quarter mile. Both of those ordinances were adopted on July 30th and took effect

1377
01:50:41,330 --> 01:50:50,550
August 30th. Additionally, Council authorized an ad hoc committee to work with staff to develop an

1378
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:59,510
consideration and adoption. On August 5th, a public hearing to consider a transit oriented alternative plan was opened, and it was continued to tonight.

1379
01:51:01,870 --> 01:51:03,450
Next slide, please. Thank you.

1380
01:51:04,990 --> 01:51:08,110
So, why did we continue the public hearing?

1381
01:51:08,630 --> 01:51:17,290
As a reminder, because we started seeing that letters that were being issued from HCD to other cities regarding their alternative plans,

1382
01:51:17,290 --> 01:51:23,250
and it raised concerns for us around the issues of density bonus law, the new height limits

1383
01:51:23,250 --> 01:51:29,630
that were established by SB 79 project requirements, and based on those concerns, Council ask staff

1384
01:51:29,630 --> 01:51:36,250
to request technical assistance from HCD to clarify specific points to allow an alternative

1385
01:51:36,250 --> 01:51:37,370
plan to be adopted.

1386
01:51:38,630 --> 01:51:44,070
The letter is attached to the staff report, but essentially the question centered around

1387
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:49,890
what SB 79 requirements would apply to the area covered under an alternative plan?

1388
01:51:50,510 --> 01:51:55,250
How does density bonus law affect the area covered by the alternative plan?

1389
01:51:55,850 --> 01:52:03,590
And also it specifically are the new heights set by SB 79 are those still in effect with

1390
01:52:03,590 --> 01:52:05,050
the use of an alternative plan?

1391
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:10,450
Lastly, there was a pending question that we included in our requests for technical assistance,

1392
01:52:10,450 --> 01:52:14,370
which was related to price or rent or price control.

1393
01:52:15,150 --> 01:52:17,250
That letter was sent out early August

1394
01:52:17,250 --> 01:52:18,870
and we are pending a response.

1395
01:52:20,350 --> 01:52:24,630
Lastly, continuing the public hearing was to allow the ad hoc time to review

1396
01:52:24,630 --> 01:52:29,070
the response from HCD, consider options for an alternative plan,

1397
01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:32,310
and bring forth a recommendation to the full council.

1398
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:34,330
Next slide, please.

1399
01:52:37,060 --> 01:52:40,160
Just briefly, as a reminder, the purpose of an alternative plan

1400
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:47,260
is to spread out the density from the quarter mile to a half mile radius, and in doing so, there are limitations.

1401
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:55,220
One is that you can only reduce density by 50% of the default, and for us, that's 70 dwelling units per acre

1402
01:52:55,220 --> 01:53:01,280
within the 200-foot radius of the station and 50 dwelling units per acre within the quarter mile.

1403
01:53:01,980 --> 01:53:08,780
Also, any slight receiving density can only increase by 200% of the current density allowed by the zoning code.

1404
01:53:09,900 --> 01:53:14,360
Additionally, I just wanted to note that the alternative plans that have been drafted

1405
01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:20,260
and ultimately presented to the planning commission included maintaining the height at the

1406
01:53:20,260 --> 01:53:26,860
default SB 79 height limit, which is 85 feet within the 200 foot mile radius, I'm sorry,

1407
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:32,680
200 foot radius and 65 feet for the area within the quarter mile of the station.

1408
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:41,500
The height limit for any receiving sites for the half mile area distance from the station

1409
01:53:41,500 --> 01:53:48,420
remained at the zoning limit that was set in the zoning code.

1410
01:53:49,100 --> 01:53:54,320
And this was all based on our understanding at the time that an alternative plan allowed

1411
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:59,900
for redistribution of density, but did not allow any relief from those default heights.

1412
01:54:02,540 --> 01:54:12,460
I think one of the things that we also realized, first of keeping the 65 feet for the 50 dwelling

1413
01:54:12,460 --> 01:54:13,800
units per acre,

1414
01:54:16,820 --> 01:54:23,280
was because based on our previous experience with measure SP, HCD required

1415
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:28,280
us to have a higher height for 50 dwelling units per acre, is that correct?

1416
01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:33,660
Correct. So with that, with that effort, there was visibility studies that were conducted

1417
01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:39,360
at the 50-dwelling units per acre, and so it did show that that was feasible, but we did

1418
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:46,340
have to increase our high ability from 50, 55 feet to 65 feet, I want to say.

1419
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:52,480
So even if we, part of the whole idea behind the alternative plan, I think that the council

1420
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:58,380
until PAD was or understanding that we initially had, was that we could reduce, by reducing

1421
01:54:58,380 --> 01:55:05,480
from 100 to only units per acre to 50, we'd be able to reduce the height in a comparable

1422
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:09,760
way, but then it was actually like no, we wouldn't be able to, because HCD would then hold

1423
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:17,540
us to the standard, but not SB 79 standard. And on top of it, we would have then be applicable

1424
01:55:17,540 --> 01:55:23,140
to density bonus law, so you could end up actually having buildings that were taller

1425
01:55:23,140 --> 01:55:29,460
while we were working and reducing the density. So it was kind of intuitive quite honestly

1426
01:55:29,460 --> 01:55:32,620
to what I think but most people believe an alternative plan would allow.

1427
01:55:33,380 --> 01:55:38,420
Right. There was a lot of questions and flexes. We started seeing those letters come out to

1428
01:55:38,420 --> 01:55:43,880
cities that had proposed alternative plans as well as we were going through this process.

1429
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:49,720
Yeah, and I also wanted just to know for the council that, you know, the San Diego Valley

1430
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:55,960
Cog SB 79 ad hoc also submitted questions back in, I believe, May or June of this year

1431
01:55:55,960 --> 01:56:03,180
and the HCD had promised to respond in writing, but then never provided a response to the

1432
01:56:03,180 --> 01:56:08,440
questions and hit some of these exact questions that the city also requested.

1433
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:15,480
So I think they come back asking, what do we mean by our questions, was that effort so far?

1434
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:16,400
Thank you.

1435
01:56:19,980 --> 01:56:27,080
So next slide, so with that our next steps are to receive correspondence from HCD, share

1436
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:32,080
that with the ad hoc to consider an alternative plan, and at that time bring something forward

1437
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:34,840
based on the recommendation to the council.

1438
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:46,620
So in conclusion, it stops recommendation that the city council continue tonight's public

1439
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:52,880
I'm sorry, that Council continue the public hearing, take public comment and make a motion

1440
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:57,700
to further continue the public hearing and direct staff to re-notice the new public hearing

1441
01:56:57,700 --> 01:57:00,660
date once it's set. Thank you, and this concludes my report.

1442
01:57:11,580 --> 01:57:15,560
Do I have any questions? First, we need to go to public comment, where are the questions

1443
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:20,100
from the council? Are there any questions from council? Then let's go ahead to public comment.

1444
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:23,260
Madam Mayor, we have no comment on this item.

1445
01:57:24,820 --> 01:57:26,200
And we have

1446
01:57:28,250 --> 01:57:30,470
made a mirror move approval of staff recommendation.

1447
01:57:33,110 --> 01:57:35,890
I'll second Councilmember

1448
01:57:39,500 --> 01:57:39,780
Braun.

1449
01:57:40,540 --> 01:57:40,980
Yes.

1450
01:57:41,420 --> 01:57:41,560
Yes.

1451
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:41,920
Councillor Prima.

1452
01:57:42,420 --> 01:57:42,580
Yes.

1453
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:43,600
Councillor Ketchiodi.

1454
01:57:43,700 --> 01:57:43,840
Yes.

1455
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:44,320
Yes.

1456
01:57:44,660 --> 01:57:45,600
Mayor Potein Ferguson.

1457
01:57:45,900 --> 01:57:46,060
Yes.

1458
01:57:46,260 --> 01:57:46,460
Yes.

1459
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:47,500
Yes.

1460
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:48,340
Yes.

1461
01:57:50,980 --> 01:57:56,780
So now we will go ahead and notice the new public hearing date to date in certain.

1462
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:57,180
Thank you.

1463
01:57:57,180 --> 01:58:02,760
Okay, so now moving on to item number 17, consideration of direction on development and implementation

1464
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:07,540
of city holiday lighting ceremony, including authorization for the city manager to execute

1465
01:58:07,540 --> 01:58:08,980
any agreement related to the event.

1466
01:58:12,770 --> 01:58:13,130
We'll enter.

1467
01:58:14,910 --> 01:58:17,730
So we have community service director and the solicitor will present the item.

1468
01:58:19,820 --> 01:58:21,460
Good evening Honorable Mayor and City Council.

1469
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:27,020
The item before you seeks direction on whether the city should host and produce the 2026 holiday

1470
01:58:27,020 --> 01:58:31,340
lighting ceremony through the community services department and whether the staff should rent

1471
01:58:31,340 --> 01:58:33,860
or purchase an artificial tree for this year.

1472
01:58:44,470 --> 01:58:46,490
By way of background the city hosted the holiday

1473
01:58:46,490 --> 01:58:52,730
tree lighting in 2009 and prior at Heritage Park. Beginning in 2010 the Chamber of Commerce

1474
01:58:52,730 --> 01:58:57,550
assumed primary responsibility through the farmers market agreement and coordinated the event in

1475
01:58:57,550 --> 01:59:05,350
partnership with the city. A menorah lighting was added to the event in 2021. For 2026 staff is

1476
01:59:05,350 --> 01:59:10,430
asking whether the city should take on the primary production role. The intent would be to preserve

1477
01:59:10,430 --> 01:59:15,130
of the existing tree and minor lighting traditions while giving the city the flexibility to expand

1478
01:59:15,130 --> 01:59:20,130
the event in a broader and more inclusive way, including displays, entertainment, and activities

1479
01:59:20,130 --> 01:59:23,370
that acknowledge additional holidays and traditions within our community.

1480
01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:29,430
The Chamber has also expressed interest in remaining involved, and if City Council directs

1481
01:59:29,430 --> 01:59:33,450
the city to proceed, staff would welcome their continued participation and work with them

1482
01:59:33,450 --> 01:59:37,250
to identify a meaningful role as we transition to a city-led event.

1483
01:59:37,250 --> 01:59:38,070
If

1484
01:59:41,620 --> 01:59:45,720
Council direct staff to proceed, we are tentatively planning for Saturday, December

1485
01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:51,300
5th, 2026 at Library Park in the outdoor area adjacent to the library community room.

1486
01:59:51,740 --> 01:59:56,800
Community services would lead planning contracts, programming and logistics, vendor coordination

1487
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:59,980
and coordination with our participating departments and community.

1488
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,900
Any partners? As an alternative, city council may direct staff not to move forward with hosting the event and recommend that the Chamber to continue as the event planner.

1489
02:00:13,380 --> 02:00:32,640
Staff also reviewed preliminary pricing for the artificial holiday tree rental and purchase options. The lowest estimate came from Brightlife Designs, the city's current seasonal streetlight decoration vendor. Rental estimates ranged from $6,850 for a 14-foot tree to $13,850 for an event.

1490
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:36,440
18-foot tree, with installation and removal included in the price.

1491
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:43,140
Purchase estimates range from approximately 14,000 to a little under 27,000, but removal

1492
02:00:43,140 --> 02:00:47,500
maintenance and replacement of worn or damaged components would be on the city if we went

1493
02:00:47,500 --> 02:00:48,380
with the purchasing route.

1494
02:00:49,260 --> 02:00:55,400
For 2026 staff recommends renting a tree so the city can evaluate the location size, operational

1495
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:58,900
needs, and overall costs before considering a longer term purchase.

1496
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:05,260
In lieu of renting or purchasing an artificial tree, Council could also consider purchasing a

1497
02:01:05,260 --> 02:01:08,800
lived box tree, a live cut tree, or another alternative.

1498
02:01:12,330 --> 02:01:15,490
And just really quickly, these photos are provided for reference.

1499
02:01:16,190 --> 02:01:20,570
On one side, you'll see the trees that are provided by bright life, obviously they're

1500
02:01:20,570 --> 02:01:21,610
artificial and decorated.

1501
02:01:22,290 --> 02:01:26,930
And on the right side of the screen would be more of what a box tree would come, or as we

1502
02:01:26,930 --> 02:01:30,090
know what a cut tree, obviously those would still be decorated for the holiday.

1503
02:01:30,090 --> 02:01:35,430
But live trees would vary in size, high in fullness, so we just want to be mindful of that.

1504
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:43,320
So in conclusion, there's no additional appropriation requested tonight.

1505
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:49,120
Staff has identified up to $25,000 within our existing budget for $26.27.

1506
02:01:50,420 --> 02:01:55,680
This would cover the tree rental and decor, staffing, entertainment, supplies, and activities

1507
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:57,480
and any contingency that would be needed.

1508
02:01:58,140 --> 02:02:02,580
Staff would track the actual cost and use the information to inform future budget discussion

1509
02:02:02,580 --> 02:02:04,480
if the city continues hosting the event.

1510
02:02:05,060 --> 02:02:08,440
Tonight staff is requesting Council direction on whether staff should host and

1511
02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:15,200
produce the 2026 holiday lighting ceremony, whether the city should rent our purchase the artificial tree for the 2026 event.

1512
02:02:15,380 --> 02:02:18,480
And authorize the city manager to execute any related agreements.

1513
02:02:19,060 --> 02:02:22,020
This concludes staff's presentation and I'm happy to answer any questions.

1514
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:25,200
Do I have any questions for the council?

1515
02:02:27,970 --> 02:02:29,470
Madam Mayor, just a quick one.

1516
02:02:29,930 --> 02:02:32,010
Melissa, I was reading some of the public comments today.

1517
02:02:32,010 --> 02:02:37,470
I think some members of the chamber are agreeing with you, but their dates were a little

1518
02:02:37,470 --> 02:02:37,710
off.

1519
02:02:37,790 --> 02:02:43,570
Did you see one of the recommendations for having it maybe right after things giving that

1520
02:02:43,570 --> 02:02:43,790
week?

1521
02:02:44,170 --> 02:02:47,710
I think that we're asking staff to come in on Thanksgiving weekend.

1522
02:02:47,930 --> 02:02:48,810
Yeah, that was it.

1523
02:02:48,950 --> 02:02:50,050
What were your thoughts on that?

1524
02:02:50,850 --> 02:02:54,370
So I do think it might be a little more challenging for Thanksgiving weekend just because

1525
02:02:54,370 --> 02:02:55,870
a lot of people travel for family.

1526
02:02:56,110 --> 02:02:57,650
We can definitely be flexible.

1527
02:02:57,650 --> 02:03:01,410
So even if we wanted to consider a date that week,

1528
02:03:01,590 --> 02:03:03,830
because I did see the comment pertaining to within five days.

1529
02:03:04,430 --> 02:03:06,310
So if we're interested in looking at a date,

1530
02:03:06,310 --> 02:03:08,690
I would suggest we go backwards into the week

1531
02:03:08,690 --> 02:03:11,270
and maybe consider December 1st,

1532
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:13,530
or if you want to look at another date,

1533
02:03:13,710 --> 02:03:16,350
whether that's going back to the third on that Thursday,

1534
02:03:16,510 --> 02:03:17,310
we can be flexible.

1535
02:03:17,750 --> 02:03:19,410
Moving forward into the month of December

1536
02:03:19,410 --> 02:03:20,550
will be a little bit more challenging.

1537
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:21,550
You have breakfast with Santa,

1538
02:03:21,970 --> 02:03:23,690
and then you're getting much closer to your holiday

1539
02:03:23,690 --> 02:03:26,790
so you would have the tree in existence for a little less time.

1540
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:32,810
You know, I'm listening radio shows and stuff. I'm driving in a car once in a while and recently they've been talking about how people are just starting their

1541
02:03:33,210 --> 02:03:35,750
Christmas or holiday shopping earlier and earlier

1542
02:03:36,650 --> 02:03:42,010
So it may be to go before things give out. I don't know, but I'm not the marketer like these people were

1543
02:03:42,010 --> 02:03:44,630
But I'm curious here at my colleague's thought. Yeah, you know

1544
02:03:45,550 --> 02:03:50,610
Samarino does something on their miss side of mission street and I'm just and I want to say that's in December

1545
02:03:50,610 --> 02:03:54,290
You do know I'm not familiar with Sam marinas event

1546
02:03:54,290 --> 02:03:58,550
I do know a lot of cities will lean towards more of like a December 1st and it's annually

1547
02:03:58,550 --> 02:04:03,490
every year on December 1st. That's what some agencies do. We're happy to look at different

1548
02:04:03,490 --> 02:04:08,730
alternatives for a day. We would like to consider that. Moving back, you just have to consider.

1549
02:04:08,810 --> 02:04:12,810
You have Thanksgiving break and vendors availability, so there's just other things to consider.

1550
02:04:12,930 --> 02:04:24,270
Everybody watching football during Thanksgiving. I know I am, but I don't know.

1551
02:04:24,270 --> 02:04:31,150
Rent the tree, work with, work with Chamber, lead the event, decide what makes sense.

1552
02:04:33,260 --> 02:04:42,940
I was going to say really quickly on the Thanksgiving break, the schools here have a week long break on Thanksgiving and we have a lot of families who do travel.

1553
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:52,360
So I think one of the things, you know, I've noticed in years past, even our small shopper Saturdays, there were a lot of people who just aren't back in town yet.

1554
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:55,300
that they go like Friday night before Thanksgiving

1555
02:04:55,300 --> 02:04:56,580
and come back Sunday.

1556
02:04:57,760 --> 02:04:59,340
Some of the best times you go to Disneyland,

1557
02:04:59,660 --> 02:05:01,080
by the way, or it's that Tuesday.

1558
02:05:02,500 --> 02:05:04,760
And also the Tiger Run is December 5th.

1559
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:07,000
So I think the Tiger Run is December 5th?

1560
02:05:07,180 --> 02:05:08,640
Yes, but let's let,

1561
02:05:09,020 --> 02:05:13,540
I kind of feel like staff should work with others

1562
02:05:13,540 --> 02:05:15,840
and talk to the chamber and do what makes sense,

1563
02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:18,740
but my sense is that it's not gonna be Thanksgiving weekend,

1564
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:18,980
but.

1565
02:05:18,980 --> 02:05:24,640
But also happy if we want to assign maybe two council members to work with staff like we

1566
02:05:24,640 --> 02:05:28,040
did for the 4th of July and just kind of meet and provide a little direction that could

1567
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:29,220
also be an option that we consider.

1568
02:05:30,340 --> 02:05:32,140
I was going to really say really quickly.

1569
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:34,080
I just forgot.

1570
02:05:34,780 --> 02:05:34,980
Shoot.

1571
02:05:35,500 --> 02:05:36,140
So committee.

1572
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:37,220
I'll be on that committee.

1573
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:38,800
I love holidays.

1574
02:05:39,140 --> 02:05:39,840
I have some questions.

1575
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:40,560
Yeah.

1576
02:05:40,640 --> 02:05:40,940
You can ask.

1577
02:05:41,580 --> 02:05:41,760
Okay.

1578
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:45,700
So I'm trying to understand the rationale here.

1579
02:05:45,700 --> 02:05:55,840
So, we have a Chamber-led event that's been happening pretty regularly, and they've gotten the tree cut down, you know, down to a size that's a little bit more manageable than it was in the past.

1580
02:05:57,220 --> 02:06:14,640
Is the idea here that this is a, that the department has a vision for making this a really great, well-organized event, and that having the city staff, you know, contributes to a lot smoother, larger scale expanded event in the future.

1581
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:19,060
that still has all the charm of what the Chamber was trying to put on.

1582
02:06:19,220 --> 02:06:22,660
I'm just trying to catch the vision if staff is coming from that.

1583
02:06:22,980 --> 02:06:23,240
Correct.

1584
02:06:23,640 --> 02:06:26,820
So it's not, it's to maintain what's already been existing in the event,

1585
02:06:26,980 --> 02:06:27,780
but expanding it.

1586
02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:30,780
So we're looking at opportunities to bring in other organizations,

1587
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:33,560
whether we look, if you consider your 4th of July event

1588
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:36,160
or you have all these community groups that come together and celebrate,

1589
02:06:36,300 --> 02:06:38,500
we don't really do anything after that, right?

1590
02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:39,540
We have smaller events.

1591
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:43,820
So it's looking to do a larger scale event and looking if we can use our community groups

1592
02:06:43,820 --> 02:06:48,060
in certain organizations to come together and kind of enhance that event, and just also

1593
02:06:48,060 --> 02:06:52,600
expanding the footprint to a little bit larger so we can accommodate those additional groups.

1594
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:58,480
So a little bit more on the organizing work, the outreach work, the prep, which naturally

1595
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:08,160
is something that staff wants to do and Chamber in many ways, they're focused on farmers market,

1596
02:07:08,500 --> 02:07:12,820
and that events kind of centered around farmers market, which I think is a great location.

1597
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:17,500
But I understand that I'm not an event planner, so I don't know what is the best.

1598
02:07:18,220 --> 02:07:23,760
So it's really helpful for me to know staff is really excited about making this a bigger

1599
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:29,960
event, drawing in more people, and then, of course, that's going to spill over, December

1600
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:31,620
5th, the farmer's market, right?

1601
02:07:31,740 --> 02:07:35,340
It's actually a Saturday, so it would be in the evening on the theme day as Tiger Run.

1602
02:07:35,500 --> 02:07:40,180
But it's helpful for my team, since we are already here, that we're not coming in on an additional

1603
02:07:40,180 --> 02:07:41,080
day as well.

1604
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:48,380
So it is helpful for the Community Services Department, but yes, the goal is to expand

1605
02:07:48,380 --> 02:07:52,140
and kind of enhance the event and hopefully in turn, that also spills into our businesses.

1606
02:07:52,140 --> 02:07:55,740
We know that if you're having events, people are coming to town, so hopefully expanding

1607
02:07:55,740 --> 02:07:55,940
it.

1608
02:07:55,980 --> 02:08:00,700
You do lose the synergy of farmers market and the proximity to all the businesses right

1609
02:08:00,700 --> 02:08:02,160
there for that event.

1610
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:08,040
But on the plus side, you are able to draw in a lot more community groups who may want

1611
02:08:08,040 --> 02:08:13,020
to contribute. They might want to do their own activities or performances or that sort

1612
02:08:13,020 --> 02:08:13,300
of thing.

1613
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:14,080
Correct.

1614
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:18,740
Okay. And now we're talking stage lighting music, because that just caused money.

1615
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:23,860
So we're looking to not expand too large. So we think a good example is the Moon Festival

1616
02:08:23,860 --> 02:08:28,360
this past weekend where you didn't necessarily need a stage, but you had that good performance

1617
02:08:28,360 --> 02:08:32,800
area. So you were able to use the community room steps as kind of where you maybe have your

1618
02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:37,080
announcements and a speaker. And then you had that footprint to do performances in the

1619
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:38,700
front, so not expanding with large.

1620
02:08:38,780 --> 02:08:40,400
No, I provided sound for the moon fest.

1621
02:08:40,500 --> 02:08:40,900
I did.

1622
02:08:41,140 --> 02:08:43,960
So you want to use my speaker's system for the holiday lighting?

1623
02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:48,880
We would love to ask health members to be involved, but staff does also have speakers

1624
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:49,360
as well.

1625
02:08:49,540 --> 02:08:53,040
So we can help facilitate or have DJ permits.

1626
02:08:53,460 --> 02:08:53,580
Good.

1627
02:08:53,780 --> 02:08:53,860
Yeah.

1628
02:08:54,060 --> 02:08:58,620
So this is really helpful because I really want to see who's got the passion for making

1629
02:08:58,620 --> 02:08:59,600
this a wonderful event.

1630
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:04,580
I so appreciate chamber and everything they do and I like the idea of trying to do as much

1631
02:09:04,580 --> 02:09:06,160
business tie-in as possible.

1632
02:09:06,700 --> 02:09:14,380
I'm Saturday without the farmer's market, that's, we're going to lose some of that natural spillover, and maybe that's unfortunate.

1633
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:16,400
I mean, I do support this.

1634
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:22,820
I am also going to see what the real projected costs are going to be.

1635
02:09:23,120 --> 02:09:27,800
Because quite frankly, the Chamber event has been very well received.

1636
02:09:28,340 --> 02:09:32,620
And I know the potential of this kind of event could be maybe bigger.

1637
02:09:32,620 --> 02:09:36,980
and that's what staff's thinking of, but at the same time, there's always a cost benefit,

1638
02:09:37,220 --> 02:09:42,120
especially if something starts building and gets costly. Because first year is always

1639
02:09:42,120 --> 02:09:46,800
everyone's excited, and then in year five, it's costing five times more than you ever thought.

1640
02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:51,140
That's my only concern, but otherwise I'm happy to.

1641
02:09:51,380 --> 02:09:58,060
So, you know, I'll say the other side of it. I'm Triber provides the tree lighting through

1642
02:09:58,060 --> 02:10:04,540
it's farmers market contract is one of its four events. There isn't any, we're not taking

1643
02:10:04,540 --> 02:10:10,500
anything away from them, so if farmers market is a real concern, they could still do holiday

1644
02:10:10,500 --> 02:10:17,400
lighting there as part of that. And I think there is, you know, the space, there's a decision

1645
02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:22,200
made at one point to plant a tree there, and that took a lot of the footprint of Heritage Park.

1646
02:10:22,200 --> 02:10:29,040
work. So the tree got really, you got a really small one. You got to, like, Omari is taller

1647
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:36,940
than the tree. So I think it's the questions that do something comparable to other cities

1648
02:10:36,940 --> 02:10:43,380
and have a real holiday event that is, and test it out, see if it works and bring something

1649
02:10:43,380 --> 02:10:49,660
that we can bring people together for it. But I think that, you know, I attended last year.

1650
02:10:49,660 --> 02:10:58,680
I'm not sure if we're a few attended, but it's the time with the farmers market starts at 4.30 when a lot of people on a Thursday, when a lot of people aren't able to attend.

1651
02:10:59,320 --> 02:11:15,780
Yeah, no, it's been a really great event, but if the city staff have a vision for making it, to bringing in lots of different groups and making it super special, I can see that happening, and I think the residents will appreciate that.

1652
02:11:15,780 --> 02:11:18,620
Yeah, we can try it out.

1653
02:11:19,860 --> 02:11:26,720
I've heard some people who already came up on agenda, there's some different brainstorming

1654
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:32,300
ideas of the holiday markets and other things too, which is areas that Chamber could be considering,

1655
02:11:33,340 --> 02:11:38,580
just interesting to explore, I think there's a lot of areas to explore to see what possibilities

1656
02:11:38,580 --> 02:11:39,020
there are.

1657
02:11:39,680 --> 02:11:42,200
And we will be having businesses in that area too.

1658
02:11:44,620 --> 02:11:51,040
do we want to go to public comment? Is there any public comment? I have to ask. Madam

1659
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:55,740
Mary, do not have any public comment on this item? Do you have any questions? I say rent

1660
02:11:55,740 --> 02:12:03,560
the 14 foot tree. Oh, yes. I think rent for the 14 foot tree. Or a taller. One of the

1661
02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:08,980
two times the height of a mario. I think that in looking at the cost comparison, you're

1662
02:12:08,980 --> 02:12:12,420
getting like for four feet, you're paying like twice as much for the tree, practically.

1663
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:13,680
Is that right for renting?

1664
02:12:15,240 --> 02:12:15,320
So.

1665
02:12:15,620 --> 02:12:21,000
I mean, I think the library park also has that, you know, it has a lot of nice natural trees.

1666
02:12:21,300 --> 02:12:27,460
So I think renting the 14 foot gives the visual for holiday cards that people would like

1667
02:12:27,460 --> 02:12:31,560
and it kind of brings that attraction there, but it doesn't necessarily have to compete with

1668
02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:35,140
the giant fig tree that is there.

1669
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:36,800
Oh, 14, oh, I see.

1670
02:12:39,740 --> 02:12:41,560
I just want to appreciate the

1671
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:43,780
the letters that we received in

1672
02:12:43,780 --> 02:12:45,540
that Adox from the chamber.

1673
02:12:45,540 --> 02:12:47,580
And I really welcome that them.

1674
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:49,900
They would be able to continue working.

1675
02:12:50,500 --> 02:12:53,340
Yeah, I think including the chamber and the tree.

1676
02:12:53,500 --> 02:12:54,620
I go for 16 feet.

1677
02:12:54,620 --> 02:12:57,500
But I'd let I'd let them decide 14 or 16 personally.

1678
02:12:57,800 --> 02:12:58,900
Yes, I agree.

1679
02:12:59,140 --> 02:13:01,980
Yeah, just because you'll have to sort of visualize whether it's worth it.

1680
02:13:02,920 --> 02:13:06,460
And we will we haven't done a formal walkthrough with the vendor as well.

1681
02:13:06,460 --> 02:13:11,300
Also, we can definitely consider that and what their recommendation is.

1682
02:13:14,370 --> 02:13:14,550
Okay.

1683
02:13:15,290 --> 02:13:16,910
So do you need any other direction?

1684
02:13:19,230 --> 02:13:20,810
You want party planners?

1685
02:13:21,610 --> 02:13:26,710
So approve that the city will take on the event and then approve rental of the tree.

1686
02:13:27,150 --> 02:13:27,270
Yes.

1687
02:13:28,010 --> 02:13:32,770
And authorize city manager to execute any necessary agreements related to the event.

1688
02:13:33,370 --> 02:13:33,690
Yes.

1689
02:13:35,250 --> 02:13:35,870
Perfect.

1690
02:13:36,030 --> 02:13:36,210
So moved.

1691
02:13:36,990 --> 02:13:37,990
All right.

1692
02:13:37,990 --> 02:13:42,810
Is there, did we form a, like, an advisory group, or?

1693
02:13:43,490 --> 02:13:45,130
I'm happy to help.

1694
02:13:45,330 --> 02:13:45,770
I'm happy.

1695
02:13:45,970 --> 02:13:47,690
I didn't ask somebody else really wants to do it.

1696
02:13:48,250 --> 02:13:49,330
I'm happy to help, too.

1697
02:13:52,020 --> 02:13:53,400
I'll stick to the sound system.

1698
02:13:54,460 --> 02:13:55,940
I'm happy to help, as well.

1699
02:13:56,340 --> 02:13:59,540
So we'll plan to schedule with Mayor Rossi and Councilmember Rob.

1700
02:13:59,820 --> 02:14:00,640
There's no vote.

1701
02:14:00,860 --> 02:14:01,720
There'll be two volunteers.

1702
02:14:02,200 --> 02:14:04,480
I do expect Councilmember Permanent to provide us playlists.

1703
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:06,280
Proceed.

1704
02:14:07,320 --> 02:14:07,760
Okay.

1705
02:14:08,500 --> 02:14:09,940
So, let's go to vote.

1706
02:14:11,380 --> 02:14:12,240
Do we have the vote?

1707
02:14:12,660 --> 02:14:14,740
Oh, the destruction, the destruction, right?

1708
02:14:15,820 --> 02:14:16,060
Okay.

1709
02:14:16,360 --> 02:14:17,720
No new appropriations.

1710
02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:18,700
We have budget for it.

1711
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:21,820
Yeah, because it authorizes city manager to move forward with the agreement.

1712
02:14:22,060 --> 02:14:26,200
So, I would, do you need a motion to sort of approve everything you said.

1713
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:30,140
14 or 16-foot tree rental depending on what you want.

1714
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:30,660
Okay.

1715
02:14:30,940 --> 02:14:31,200
Yeah.

1716
02:14:31,540 --> 02:14:32,260
I move for that.

1717
02:14:32,540 --> 02:14:32,860
Second.

1718
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:38,040
Council Member Brown? Yes. Council Member Prometh? Yes. Council Member Cassiote? Yes.

1719
02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:43,520
Mayor Patin Ferguson? Yes. Mayor Rossi? Yes. I'm moving on to Council Member Communications.

1720
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:45,520
Is this move you'd like to present?

1721
02:14:49,190 --> 02:14:52,870
Council Member Communications? Do you want me to go first? No, you go ahead.

1722
02:14:53,190 --> 02:14:56,970
Okay. I came here the pictures from last week. I do. Excuse me once. Okay.

1723
02:15:29,140 --> 02:15:40,600
I got a background music. I wanted to mention that we had a clean power lines board to treat. We gave

1724
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:48,100
We gave a certificate of recognition to our former council member, Diana Merlude, on her honoring hers, she'll be stepping down from her service there.

1725
02:15:48,760 --> 02:16:07,680
And so I just wanted to mention that we're kind of a snapshot of what was discussed there was that the Clean Power line is currently in about 39 cities with a geographical possibility of being 89 at some day, but we haven't created a roadmap to get there.

1726
02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:16,260
but just that it's been stable and I've been able to kind of provide a lot of value to residents and customers.

1727
02:16:16,940 --> 02:16:17,900
So do

1728
02:16:22,700 --> 02:16:24,660
you want to go while we're waiting for that?

1729
02:16:24,740 --> 02:16:29,660
Sure. Yeah, I would like to take the opportunity to introduce Joseph Starros to the City Council.

1730
02:16:29,860 --> 02:16:35,660
Joe joins us from the City of La Palma and he's our new Assistant Public Works Director.

1731
02:16:37,080 --> 02:16:41,920
So, yeah, go to the new system

1732
02:16:47,960 --> 02:16:51,060
here, well, yeah, really thrilled to be here with you all

1733
02:16:51,060 --> 02:16:54,320
working with Todd and Julian and the public work department.

1734
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:57,860
I come from a little smaller city, if you can believe that's one of them in South

1735
02:16:57,860 --> 02:17:03,620
Pass and Orange County's about 1.2 square miles and so we had a lot of things going on there

1736
02:17:03,620 --> 02:17:07,740
but I'm really excited to be out here and working on all the projects that the Council and

1737
02:17:07,740 --> 02:17:10,080
community have coming up. So, broad be here.

1738
02:17:11,080 --> 02:17:11,640
Welcome.

1739
02:17:13,860 --> 02:17:16,820
We will be background music for your intro.

1740
02:17:18,620 --> 02:17:22,360
Do I have any other comments for Council over waiting for this piece?

1741
02:17:23,660 --> 02:17:31,720
I attended Metro's, Metro Headed Invent with the San Gabriel Valley Cog to do a tour of the EOC on Friday and discuss

1742
02:17:31,720 --> 02:17:38,080
this, LA, 2028, public safety measures and concerns, they did talk to them very specifically

1743
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:44,340
about how as a smaller city on the metro stop, you know, we need more assistance from metro,

1744
02:17:45,080 --> 02:17:49,880
and they need to, like, look at smaller cities on metro stations a little bit differently

1745
02:17:49,880 --> 02:17:55,340
and also to consider safety is more than just, like, the platform and how it extends out

1746
02:17:55,340 --> 02:17:58,700
into like the quarter mile, half mile zone.

1747
02:17:59,580 --> 02:18:06,620
She did bring to another thing which is LA-2028 and something I'm looking to like to add

1748
02:18:06,620 --> 02:18:15,440
to the agenda for the next meeting is formation of basically a committee to start really brainstorming

1749
02:18:15,440 --> 02:18:25,320
LA-20, but looking at having regular council engagement, so I think it's something that the

1750
02:18:25,320 --> 02:18:29,740
It makes sure everybody on the council knows what's happening, but I think it's time

1751
02:18:29,740 --> 02:18:36,100
we need to start thinking through some of this as we think strategically for it.

1752
02:18:36,420 --> 02:18:41,300
So that would be in partnership with other groups and organizations as well.

1753
02:18:42,200 --> 02:18:44,620
Let's see, do we have any other quick thoughts?

1754
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:46,320
Do we have Michael's presentation ready?

1755
02:18:48,940 --> 02:18:49,280
I'm sorry.

1756
02:18:49,560 --> 02:18:50,640
Do we have Michael's presentation ready?

1757
02:18:50,680 --> 02:18:51,040
Yes, we do.

1758
02:18:51,360 --> 02:18:52,740
Okay, let's go ahead and do Michael's presentation.

1759
02:19:06,120 --> 02:19:06,900
We're ready to go.

1760
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:09,500
I'm ready to click the next slide.

1761
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:10,360
There it is.

1762
02:19:11,080 --> 02:19:14,460
Again, I want to thank Todd, the city manager's office and public works.

1763
02:19:14,960 --> 02:19:17,600
This is a strafford avenue a few weeks ago during the rain.

1764
02:19:18,280 --> 02:19:22,580
I was walking with a dog group and we noticed four slabs had been passed about a year or two

1765
02:19:22,580 --> 02:19:24,300
ago, but they were raised about another three inches.

1766
02:19:24,940 --> 02:19:29,240
This is one of the busiest streets during Halloween, hundreds of thousands of kids just

1767
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:33,720
walked to the street, walking up and down so I want to thank staff, jump on a net, residents

1768
02:19:33,720 --> 02:19:37,520
were so happy, Todd, Julian, thanks staff, great job.

1769
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:39,800
And there's a homeowner, and then I jumped in and

1770
02:19:39,800 --> 02:19:40,600
pictured with the staff.

1771
02:19:41,060 --> 02:19:42,240
Let's talk to you guys at a great job next.

1772
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:44,420
This was a couple weeks ago.

1773
02:19:44,520 --> 02:19:46,900
This was one of our residences in the yellow shirt.

1774
02:19:47,060 --> 02:19:49,500
He's a professor in charge of kind of their advanced

1775
02:19:49,500 --> 02:19:51,360
technology at Cal State University LA.

1776
02:19:51,980 --> 02:19:55,300
Susan Saapas, I think Sheila near district, David Blackman.

1777
02:19:56,120 --> 02:19:58,700
And he wanted to, they do a challenge every year with

1778
02:19:58,700 --> 02:20:02,080
Stellantis and General Motors to take an ice internal

1779
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:05,040
combustion engine and converted to battery powered.

1780
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:11,940
So this year is to take an emergency responder vehicle, a jeep Cherokee, and convert it over.

1781
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:19,380
But they wanted to speak with chief Lloyd and also chief fire chief Dan Dunne.

1782
02:20:19,500 --> 02:20:22,340
What is the first responder vehicle?

1783
02:20:22,500 --> 02:20:23,360
Do it response.

1784
02:20:24,420 --> 02:20:29,180
And so they can design it and provide it for a national competition of the 15 universities

1785
02:20:29,180 --> 02:20:30,320
across the United States.

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And here we are at their lab at Cal State University of LA next,

1787
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and then Chief Lloyd had

1788
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to leave for a few minutes, another meeting, and there's a couple more photos, Nikima.

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On the left here, Chief Dunn is speaking to the class about the dangers of electric batteries

1790
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burning and not to getting anywhere near them, at a great time, and I've told the professor

1791
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once you finish that vehicle is donated to the City of South Pasadena.

1792
02:21:02,340 --> 02:21:07,400
Yeah. And then on the right is she's then I went up to check on the goats. There's a

1793
02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:11,580
goats in operation. Public work staff was there in Julian making sure the goats were doing

1794
02:21:11,580 --> 02:21:15,200
their work. They were on break. I think it was about five o'clock. They're taking a little

1795
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:20,980
break in the shade. Next. They're taking their break. We didn't get on them. They needed

1796
02:21:20,980 --> 02:21:24,800
a break. They were tired. It was late at night. It was about 95 degrees. So they're under

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the tree on the left. And we've got some hundreds of goats out there. We're kind of cute.

1798
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And you're watching us, you know, IDI contact and on the right, again, one of the great

1799
02:21:33,500 --> 02:21:37,300
public works that is Philippe, I believe, there was a big leak over there in Stratford

1800
02:21:37,300 --> 02:21:40,820
by Garfield Park, who is up fixing his so great work by our team thought.

1801
02:21:41,700 --> 02:21:42,420
Thank you.

1802
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Which reminded me that a number of us went to the Kattern House opening last week, which

1803
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:58,000
is Cal Arts, the president of Cal Arts at this now in South Pasadena and they transformed

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02:21:58,000 --> 02:22:02,740
to the house into the Caternhouse, which will also have a performing arts space.

1805
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:07,500
Wonderful to attend the event and create closer connections with Cal Arts.

1806
02:22:07,760 --> 02:22:13,440
I think a lot of opportunities there to see all the connectivity that came with it.

1807
02:22:13,660 --> 02:22:21,440
The house used to belong to the Watson's who actually contributed significantly to our public arts community

1808
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and to our school community as well.

1809
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they were supporters of measure S, measure S P. They were very into helping the city and community

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02:22:30,500 --> 02:22:36,280
schools with making sure that we had arts programs going. So, and actually our electric boxes,

1811
02:22:36,480 --> 02:22:43,220
utility boxes to open to event there years ago, so it was a nice full circle moment. So exciting

1812
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things are happening.

1813
02:22:46,120 --> 02:22:51,280
Oh, you found it. Oh, that wasn't you doing it before? That wasn't

1814
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:53,660
I don't know you tell me about the so-called gas box.

1815
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:57,960
All right, so there being nothing else,

1816
02:22:59,320 --> 02:23:01,560
I will now adjourn the regular city council meeting

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to Wednesday, October 7th, 2026 at 7 p.m.

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Thank you and have a nice evening.