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You know where anything from?

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passed away.

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» Yes, you do.

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» Oh, wow. Okay.

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» So, I was on my way to last week and I

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at the rehab center and I and Amy said.

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Look at that. We're fine,

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>> man. Whole city got

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invited.

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>> Should be quick one. Said that before

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though. But

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>> did you say

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>> No, I didn't. I didn't mean I didn't

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mean to.

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>> Yeah.

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>> I didn't mean to say that

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for doing the pledge of allegiance.

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>> All right.

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just tell me when we're live.

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We waiting for someone. What?

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>> We waiting for someone.

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>> she's she's going to let us know we're

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in five.

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» Nice Dave.

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I'd like to thank everybody for coming

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to u our planning commission meeting

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here on Thursday, March the 12th, 2026.

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I'd like to first excuse two of our

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planning commissioners, uh Chad Skola

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and uh Julie Losi.

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And to get things kicked off, we're

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going to go ahead and start off with a

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pledge of allegiance led by Chris

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Roberts. Commissioner Roberts

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» All right. Thank you. Um,

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so we're going to go ahead and move into

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public comment. Um, this is a section

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for public comment on anything unrelated

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to any of the action items to the um,

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agenda today. So, we'll go ahead and

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open the mic for public comment.

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Okay. All right, we're going to go ahead

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and close the public comment and we'll

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move straight into the um action items.

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So, consent agenda from February 12th,

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2026 minutes. Um are there any comments?

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So, we need to make a motion. I'll move

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to approve the consent agenda for

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February 12th, 2026. Minutes as

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>> Second.

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>> roll call or no?

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that?

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but go ahead.

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>> Okay. All right. Let's go ahead and uh

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open up the public hearing for the PO

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bands reszone.

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>> Um absolutely. Lance, take it away.

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>> This is a request.

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The public went out for RM which is

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actually a higher density.

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it's it is actually a lower density.

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public hearing. Uh given that you were

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concerned with that, we show up and and

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this is even less of an impact. So we

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feel good about that, but we decide

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where we go from there.

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that's agricultural, has been for a long

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time, has the old shops on it. Um the B

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will if it is reszone it will be

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subdivided

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concept plans for two lots the culdeac

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there will have to be put in off leester

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that'll be completed for the access with

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these two lots.

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>> Okay. And uh from what I understand it

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uh complies with the general plan

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» that is 2.8 eight acres per well

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>> Perfect. Thank you. Um and and with

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that, um I'll go ahead and open up the

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public hearing for Buban's reason.

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making sure that everybody's had a

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>> Oh, this one we have to make a motion.

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>> I'll make a motion to open public

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hearing for PON resone.

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>> Motion to close.

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public hearing for Pman

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zone.

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developer provance? We have any

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the applicant.

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>> I stand up there.

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>> Yeah. My name is John Pobansz. I I'm

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actually a resident of Washington

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Terrace right above the top of the toll

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road, but I practiced orthodontics in

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this general community for 28 years. Uh

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fact, I know him from the office right

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there.

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and uh just really enjoyed um serving

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the families of South Weieber and I I

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love to drive my VW van in the parade

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every year and it's a great community

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that I live adjacent to and when this

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property came available um I was really

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excited about the fact that that

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building could be turned into something

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uh more aesthetic and more useful. We've

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already uh repaired the vandalized

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windows. Uh we have plans to eventually

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that building and and use it for um

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internal storage and hobby space for me

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and probably gardening around it. I

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really plan to have that second parcel

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just be my own space. Um we also um you

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know had some dilapidated um sheds that

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were kind of unsightly and maybe um

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traps for whatever could grow in there.

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the adjacent property plan is my my

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daughter um Jane Gurr is married to my

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son-in-law uh Skyler Gurr right there uh

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owner of Gur Construction. uh he's a

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energetic, ambitious young construction

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company owner and does a lot of

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commercial and residential pro projects

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along the Wasatch front. So, our hope is

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that they can build a a single family

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home on that second adjacent property

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where my grandkids will be. And uh we

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view that as a wonderful thing for our

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family, not just now, but in the long

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term future for them to contribute to

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that community, uh have their kids walk

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down the the sidewalk to the elementary

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school, and just think it'll be a great

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addition to what's already a fantastic

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um subdivision.

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» I actually do not have anything

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» As well, um I think the information was

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laid out uh pretty plainly in the

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packet. Um thank you to the city staff

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um for getting that put together. Um

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we have a motion.

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I'll move to recommend the approval to

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the city council of the PON reszone

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request at approximately 1121 East

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Lester Street, a zone change from

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agricultural to residential low on 1.5

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some slides he's previously provided to

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touch on these top. If you have any

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>> Yeah. So, and I think um you guys have

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had the training. This is kind of new

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for Brad, but just this is going to walk

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through kind of how the meeting should

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run a little bit. uh the types of

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decisions we make um you know how the

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code generally functions. I'm gonna say

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just really brief stuff and then any

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questions you have about it please ask

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um and we just need to make sure

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everybody's kind of on the same page and

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knows what's going on.

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>> We'll also send you slides out.

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>> And I think Brad's actually watched some

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>> Yeah. I think and we we operate with

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pretty informal rules but it is

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parliamentary rules keep it very simple

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straightforward and and the big part

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about having uh there's a lot to be said

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about having very consistent meetings

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that we do the same patterns so that if

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it's a simple one like tonight fine but

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if it's a complex one we need to make

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sure we're doing the same thing every

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time so that it's really clear and you

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know when we get to a complex one it's

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really easy for people to say well you didn't do that for so and so last

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meeting. So that's why it's kind of we

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get a little bit particular about

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brief introduction by staff, open and

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close the public hearing, take, you

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know, and and respond to those comments.

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the the parliamentary rules, I'm sure

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you guys all know this, but I mean it's

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just to keep it clear and and really

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clear about clear and consistent and and

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then also just what what is being

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approved. So when we make a motion it,

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you know, it's to approve. Um, you know,

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the quick trip is a good example of one

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that was complex and we kind of worked

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on conditions during the or you guys

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worked on conditions during the meeting.

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>> Thanks for starting me off on that.

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>> Yeah,

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>> Ben, here you go.

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>> And uh so that is uh I mean that's what

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these are about. And so it's, you know,

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you make a motion, you state the

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conditions of approval, it gets a

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second. Now, any discussion on what we

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have on the table that we're discussing.

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>> I think would it be would it be accurate

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to say that this the parliamentary order

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really helps not in the heat of the

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moment as much as

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for for history, right? Future, right?

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when you when you refer back to

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it, you know,

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it was done right.

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>> Yeah. And it and it's it should be

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really clear. U you know, I made this

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motion to approve with these conditions.

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You know, Chris or you or Brad says,

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"Hey, well, I want to add something to

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that." Okay, they'll take your friendly

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amendment. Now, we we've modified the

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motion and it's really clear. And then

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we vote on that motion. Um the roll call

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vote is for uh ordinances and

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resolutions which is the reason and that

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type of thing but the date the smaller

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stuff you know meeting ajourn all that

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kind of stuff can just be a up or down

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vote um I don't know you have any

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questions about that I mean obviously

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there's whole books on parliamentary

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procedure and all that but we try and

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keep it simple but we also need to be

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clear

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>> what and can you clarify on like the

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general consent on number four what is

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uh

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may raise general consent chart.

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>> Yeah. No, that's exactly I mean the

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consent agenda is is where we use that

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on the minutes things like that where

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it's just

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>> you know does anybody have any questions

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on the minutes?

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>> No questions. Can I have a motion?

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>> Move to approve the minutes. All in

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favor? I. You're done.

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>> Okay. Perfect.

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>> So that's that at least that's how I

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read that is it's just it's

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>> Yeah, we're really clear on it.

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>> Okay. um the reasons the the more

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complex ones obviously get a little

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trickier but it's a similar pattern of

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do I have a motion

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>> and then you need to have the motion

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clear get a second

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>> now we're going to discuss

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>> so and

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>> oh so even after the second you want to

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discuss

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>> you don't have to okay but that would be

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the place to discuss

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>> after we have a motion on the table and

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I'm

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>> this is I don't want to go too far but

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that would be the idea deal way is we

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have a clear motion that we're

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discussing

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and and that's on the record. Uh now

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let's talk about it.

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>> Okay.

362
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>> Do we want to amend it? Do you want to

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withdraw it and make a different motion?

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That's what the parliamentary procedures

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will help us just keep get really clear

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what we're discussing.

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>> Um and if it's outside of that

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just it's it adds confusion to the

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minutes to the record but also for the

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that evening. So, I think we get there.

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It's a good conversation and all that,

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but it helps to at least to a degree.

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Um, you know, like in tonight, we have

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to have three people for a quorum. Um,

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and

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you know, but we don't need to have, you

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know, the majority rules. It doesn't

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mean there's five people on the planning

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commission and so three people have to

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vote in favor of something because

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there's no, it's the number of people

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here. the majority here is who votes. Um

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anyway,

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>> so so really quick, um and I I just want

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to make sure I understood that correctly

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regarding the motion uh comments that

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you made. Um when we typically uh

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discuss an agenda item, um we'll uh

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we'll talk about it and then make a

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motion.

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>> That's fine. to approve or to table or

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to

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>> do any one of these actions,

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>> right?

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>> Um, so

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did I misunderstand when you're saying

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that you should make a motion to

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discuss?

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>> No, let me let me back up and just say

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so I mean

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>> it's public hearing.

402
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>> Yep.

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>> Uh applicant gets a chance to speak.

404
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>> Yep.

405
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>> Uh questions, clarifications, then you

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guys discuss,

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>> right?

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Then somebody makes a motion one way or

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the other. The time of that discussion

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is when you're, you know, you're hashing

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out what conditions do you feel like

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you're kind of getting a feel for

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>> important issues. Yep.

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>> Then someone takes the the stab at, all

415
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right, I'm going to make a motion to do

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something

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>> with these elements.

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>> Okay.

419
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>> Once that's on the table, we're only

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discussing that,

421
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>> right?

422
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>> So it sets that other stuff kind of

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aside and it's just a way to make it

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one, two, three clear.

425
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>> Just a very focused name. You got you're

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discussing the project then you're

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discussing the motion.

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>> Gotcha.

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I understand.

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>> And that way yeah that motion's made

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like

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>> we'll sometimes

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uh have a quick discussion on exceptions

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or

435
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>> Yeah.

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>> conditions or whatever.

437
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>> Yeah.

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>> And that's what you're talking about.

439
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>> Yeah. I mean you're going to certainly

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deliberate and go through that.

441
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>> Right. Uh the other thing I'd say about

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motions

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these are the motion types. Um

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but uh is that just going to see uh oh

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make them based on facts you know um

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move to approve uh you know it meets the

447
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staff report the conditions in the staff

448
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report these facts uh what we heard

449
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tonight at public basis for your your

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motion is is always good to have should

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we have problems done

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>> so right

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>> I mean we generally don't have problems

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so we get a little loose but that's why

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it's there is if if there is a

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controversial issue, we we know how to

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handle it and we've got that process.

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>> Absolutely.

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» Yeah. Let's see. Well, okay. Every

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motion has six steps. Move, second,

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restate the motion. Whoops.

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Uh

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discuss, then vote, then announce. So,

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and again that's like we were just

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saying it's to keep everything clear and

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we know what's

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>> So the first one that says the hands

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like does a chair person doesn't have to

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give the motion.

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>> No.

471
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>> Okay.

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>> Member raises raises hand to say hey I'm

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ready to open

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>> and you guys don't necessarily raise

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hands. You would

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>> Yeah. You guys just say I'm ready to do

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it. But that's I mean this we don't want

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to get terribly formal but it's just

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good to be clear

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>> and restating the motion is a good step

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in there because it's okay this is what

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you said we often refer to Michelle tell

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it that all right this is what I heard

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the conditions were

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>> the basis the reasonings

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>> yeah

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there's the roll call votes

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like we

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And this is where it kind of crosses the

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line. It's like, well, point of order,

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you know, I don't think we're doing

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these motions, right? If somebody's

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made a motion and it's on the table and

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then we start discussing

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things outside of that, that's when you

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would say, a point of order, we have a

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motion on the table. What are we doing

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with it? And if we don't want it, let's

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vote it up or down and then discuss more

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if we need to discuss more. You know,

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that again, just to keep it organized.

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Um, you know, point of information is

503
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just to ask a question. Well, no,

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apparently it's additional information.

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Point of inquiry is to ask a question

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and then privilege is, hey, I can't sit

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here anymore. It's making me sick. I got

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to leave. So, anyway, um, I mean, we

509
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really don't use these very often, but

510
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technically that would be the formal way

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to do it.

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Um,

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>> the writing.

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>> I know. Let me see.

515
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Um and I think you know we we do we just

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did public hearing. I think we followed

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this right. Let's see if we did. Uh yes

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the residents all have right to be

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heard. They had that opportunity. Uh

520
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members of the public body are not

521
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required to respond to questions or

522
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comments. That is an area that can lead

523
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a lot of commissions and committees and

524
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councils into trouble is you want to

525
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answer their questions. you know, the

526
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public's here and um it's like, you

527
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know, maybe they're just

528
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misunderstanding something. I I go crazy

529
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over here. It's like, oh, come talk to

530
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me at another time because I can help

531
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you understand why we're doing what

532
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we're doing and, you know, where our

533
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hands are tied or what not. But in the

534
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meeting to keep it clear, we're just

535
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taking that information and then we will

536
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respond all at once and it's just to

537
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keep an orderly meeting,

538
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>> right? Um

539
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obviously public

540
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>> and usually during the larger groups

541
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we'll reiterate that to everybody. Yeah.

542
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Just to kind of help maintain

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everybody's expectations.

544
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>> Yes. Yeah.

545
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>> Um

546
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yeah, as we saw, do we open and close

547
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with motion? Um

548
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yes, we said that the applicant gets a

549
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right to respond after the public

550
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hearing. Uh I have had a lot of concerns

551
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and this is where you guys deliberate is

552
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um over the years public will get up and

553
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say a bunch of stuff uh their concerns

554
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and expressions and then the the

555
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applicant will get up.

556
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,919
How can I play this? Some applicants

557
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:59,679
have been known to stretch the truth at

558
00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:03,120
that time and you guys are still just

559
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,360
because an applicant says something

560
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,679
you're there to deliberate is you know

561
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:08,720
and weigh it.

562
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,880
>> Yeah. And so, you know, if they're just

563
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,520
flat out contradicting and you know, one

564
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,679
way or the other, you know, you've got

565
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:17,840
to weigh those what you get. Sometimes

566
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,440
this is just very helpful clarification.

567
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,720
Sometimes it's it can be abused, but

568
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,279
anyway, the applicant gets to respond.

569
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,919
Um, of course, if we have a lot of

570
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:29,039
people here, you're going to want to

571
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:30,720
shorten, hey, everybody's got three

572
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,720
minutes and and it's kind of to again

573
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,480
keep the meeting moving and orderly.

574
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,840
You're going to have some people that,

575
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,919
you know, just will take up 15, 20

576
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:39,679
minutes talking and they have a lot to

577
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:44,720
say. We appreciate that, but we need to run a meeting. Uh the time for, you

578
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,480
know, if they have a lot of concerns,

579
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,440
they can come talk to staff. They can u

580
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,440
you know, discuss it at other times, but

581
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,480
in the meeting, we've got to be

582
00:27:52,480 --> 00:28:01,190
respectful of everybody in the room. Uh,

583
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,399
no member of the public shall be

584
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:04,000
recognized until by the church, you

585
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,080
know, shall be heard until recognized by

586
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,679
the chair. I think when you've invited

587
00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:10,399
them up and they come up, that's good.

588
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:12,080
>> You don't need to state their address,

589
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,640
just their city.

590
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,720
>> Can I ask questions? Yes,

591
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,880
>> it's probably going to be going probably

592
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,840
going to go over it, but um being that

593
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,240
we are in a small town seeing a lot of

594
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,039
people, what are our rules and stuff as

595
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,039
far as people calling us outside of the

596
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,480
meeting?

597
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,919
>> Okay, we are going to get to ethics

598
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:33,200
later, but just to answer the question,

599
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,120
I mean, you can have uh interactions and

600
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,640
discussions

601
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,039
um one-on-one.

602
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:42,399
>> You're not supposed to talk to the

603
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:44,159
council members, the other commission

604
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:45,520
members.

605
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,399
um about topics. You're just taking

606
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:49,840
information. There's nothing wrong with

607
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,240
that.

608
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,120
Can't take money though. There's

609
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200
>> um I'm trying to think

610
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,399
>> we've had I've like where

611
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:02,159
>> there's incidents where like a person

612
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:04,240
gave me a lot of information. Yeah.

613
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,320
>> And I told them put in public comment so

614
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,240
that we all have the same information. I

615
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,360
don't want to be like

616
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:09,840
>> the same.

617
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,760
>> Yeah. I would always recommend they go

618
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,520
to our city website

619
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,840
>> and say please post your

620
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,120
>> That's what I would say.

621
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,039
>> Yeah. Put it on the public record.

622
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,399
>> It's on public.

623
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:22,960
>> Yep.

624
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,799
>> Yeah. That first one is

625
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,640
>> Yeah. Yeah.

626
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,720
>> So you can Yeah.

627
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,440
>> All right.

628
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,520
>> Yeah. It's good to have good boundaries

629
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,360
about that stuff because it can be

630
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,120
abused. But

631
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,559
>> now, can he bring that information up as

632
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:41,760
long as he's

633
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,039
>> That's a question I have.

634
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:44,880
>> While we're in the meeting, can he bring

635
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,919
that information?

636
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:48,399
>> Yeah, he say I have a a phone call or I

637
00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:49,919
did a site visit

638
00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:51,679
>> res reach out to me. I've heard him say

639
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:52,159
that.

640
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,559
>> So, as long as it's within the meeting,

641
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,120
>> but I don't have to disclose who it was.

642
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,000
>> Um,

643
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,480
>> I just I don't know the answer to that.

644
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Yeah, if you have to like Yeah.

645
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,960
>> What would you say risk?

646
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,120
>> I would say unless you feel like it's

647
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,720
specifically

648
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:09,760
needed,

649
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,080
>> right? Yeah. And and I was just going

650
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,880
there in my head too is is that when

651
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520
we're making decisions, we need to

652
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,360
evaluate kind of like what Lance said

653
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,600
earlier in the training. We need to

654
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,240
evaluate factual information.

655
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,360
that is allowable to be, you

656
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,320
know, you know, of record to for

657
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,320
consideration because there are

658
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,200
sometimes when we do receive information

659
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,919
uh that is is not allowable to the

660
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:41,840
record that that may be you know uh

661
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,919
erroneous or or or somewhat

662
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,640
uh you know controvertible.

663
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,360
>> Yeah. Um, you know, we are making

664
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,880
decisions on uh on on code and fact, not

665
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,559
on public outcry.

666
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,440
>> Correct.

667
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,120
>> Legal terms. Public clamor.

668
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,760
>> Public clamor. Thank you.

669
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,720
>> Outcry is actually more accurate. That's

670
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,360
what outcry. Oh yeah, I know what that

671
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,440
is. But yeah. Um,

672
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,159
>> sorry, I got us off topic.

673
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:15,840
Oh no, that's what we're do. That's

674
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,070
great. all in formation

675
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,559
comments. To matter of fact,

676
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:23,840
you're only going to be able to go so

677
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,960
long on that. Um, it will happen that,

678
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,960
you know, sometimes there are people

679
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,480
that make statements and whatnot. Um,

680
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,320
I'm taking back at Cooper's Landing. I

681
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,159
think someone asked me and I shouldn't

682
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:39,039
have responded, but like they they asked

683
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:40,320
me and said, "Well, would you want to

684
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,840
live here?" You recommend. Would you

685
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,360
want to live here? I was like, you know,

686
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Yeah. I'm a city planner. I don't care

687
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,720
about density. But anyway, you know, uh

688
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,799
should have just kept quiet on that and

689
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,559
said, but it's it feels awkward. It's

690
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,080
like I want to resolve the issue and

691
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,039
concern. So,

692
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:58,240
>> yeah, that's a great example of

693
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,919
something that should not be, you know,

694
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:01,519
considered on the record.

695
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:02,960
>> And so, and

696
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,039
>> yeah, and it's really and and multiple,

697
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,559
you know, they want to get up and debate

698
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,000
and all that and that's why we do the

699
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,640
three minutes one time. You know, if

700
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,159
there's information that you're

701
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:14,640
gathering, that's okay. But to just take

702
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880
general more testimony after you've

703
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,840
closed the public hearing is really it

704
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,880
just makes everything so much harder.

705
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,360
Right. So um and you guys are lucky sort

706
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,080
of you can say take it to the city

707
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,320
council. I love we we are done here

708
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,320
but you guys could you know

709
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,000
>> well and that's the biggest thing is

710
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,760
we're going after facts like you said

711
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,600
and what code is I can't decide if I

712
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,519
don't like it it doesn't matter you know

713
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:43,760
like

714
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,799
>> right that's not our job

715
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,919
>> that's not our job that's

716
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:49,360
>> I think that was probably one of the

717
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,840
hardest lessons to

718
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,720
really incorporate is that my opinion

719
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,360
when I was commission like 98% of the

720
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,840
time was irrelevant doesn't

721
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,080
>> because I'm not legally allowed to sort

722
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,159
of the situation,

723
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:07,360
>> right? And I think that's a

724
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,640
misunderstanding a lot too.

725
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,720
>> And that's why you see a lot of love and

726
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,480
get angry that you're making a certain

727
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,000
decision. It's like, but your hands are

728
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,519
tied.

729
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,760
So my recommendation is anytime there's

730
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,640
a really hot topic to somehow insert

731
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,640
that into your dialogue of why you're

732
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,480
building

733
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,880
and that might help alleviate some

734
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,120
stress on you because you guys are bound

735
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,720
by the code is the rules and so long as

736
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720
it meets code then there's not a lot you

737
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,240
can do unless something goes down the

738
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,240
path of a uh developers agreement or

739
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,240
something like that and even then the

740
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,960
majority will come to the council for

741
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,760
approval.

742
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,120
>> Final approval. Yeah.

743
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,840
>> So,

744
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,320
>> yeah. I want to start each one with we

745
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,159
are looking at you know, you know, the

746
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:57,039
code and the stuff that's it, you know.

747
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,480
>> Yeah.

748
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,559
>> Like if this meeting is like a one

749
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:01,679
sentence that describes what the

750
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:04,240
planning commission is, you know.

751
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,159
>> Is that the agenda? something just to

752
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:08,240
like we're only looking at does this

753
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,750
meet

754
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960
» say hey as a reminder

755
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,879
commission

756
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:19,440
um I don't know how you

757
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,159
>> their role is specifically to evaluate

758
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,480
this application and its adherence to

759
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,440
the code

760
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,000
>> right

761
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:34,149
>> help alleviate some of the out

762
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,639
» I I would recommend that

763
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,879
>> I guess you're right.

764
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:42,879
>> Just make sure

765
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:44,240
>> not misstating.

766
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:45,040
>> Yeah.

767
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,599
>> One more thought I have on this is is it

768
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,159
al I've seen it been very helpful that

769
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,359
you can say I heard this concern and

770
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,520
that I mean letting them know that you

771
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,119
know it's not falling on deaf ears.

772
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,599
We're not ignoring it. We we appreciate

773
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,560
the thought and concerns you have. uh

774
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,880
here but here's where the code says I

775
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,480
can look at you know

776
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,920
it's a balance but

777
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,560
>> right

778
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,079
>> it's sometimes very helpful to say I

779
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:13,119
heard these concerns

780
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,000
>> yeah mediate the response a little bit a

781
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
little bit of empathy

782
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,400
>> yeah

783
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
uh state law is the land use development

784
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,359
management act

785
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:27,359
section 10 for in the state code for

786
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,680
cities municipalities

787
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,079
um yeah our This is I don't know this is

788
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,599
planning

789
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,640
land use code 101 but it's the authority

790
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,680
to operate and do land use issues comes

791
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,200
from the state. It's granted by the

792
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,280
state. Um uh we have so we have that

793
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,640
direction and then we have personal

794
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,800
property rights. It's often referred to

795
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,280
as a bundle of rights, you know, to to

796
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,800
use your land as you want and you're not

797
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,680
harming others. Um

798
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,240
so that's the state code. Our code

799
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,560
complies with state code should it's

800
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,480
just a little more refined. Uh some

801
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,240
areas the state lets us make the

802
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,240
decisions and calls just has to be

803
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,760
within certain parameters and we have

804
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,119
that. I think um you know I'm I've only

805
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:14,720
been here a couple years but when I got

806
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,480
here I was like we have a good code at

807
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,400
Southwaver. I've been in commun I'm like

808
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,440
this is bad. So we have a good code. You

809
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,200
guys have done a lot of good work before

810
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,000
I got here. So they stay on top of it

811
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,800
really good. So it's a good team that's

812
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,000
done that. So, I think we're pretty good

813
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,119
on the code and and it's clear and

814
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:36,960
compliant. Um,

815
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,040
yeah, this is, you know, it allows us

816
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,400
to, you know, create the plan

817
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,400
commission, do a general plan. We're

818
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,320
required to have a general plan and

819
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,440
certain elements in it. Um,

820
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,640
let's see what else.

821
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,160
Yeah, you know, what property rights are

822
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,760
there, what we may regulate. Uh, you

823
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,920
know, the regulations are binding. We

824
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,119
talked about that. Um,

825
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,839
yeah. And and having an ordinance is

826
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:05,680
plain and straightforward. That's we try

827
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,720
to make that happen. Uh, if we're not

828
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,880
clear in our code,

829
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,320
uh, we have the responsibility to clear

830
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:18,000
and if it's if we're too vague, then the then it goes it's a gray area

831
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,920
that we didn't address. It tends to go

832
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,200
in favor of the applicant,

833
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,680
>> right? So that's something to keep in

834
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,359
mind is you kind of if it's a tie we're

835
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:29,599
responsible to have the code clear so it

836
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:33,760
goes to the benefit of that.

837
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,560
Um yeah so we have well let's we've got

838
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,480
kind of the legislative land use

839
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,240
authority and appeal authority. These

840
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,400
are the executive uh the legislative and

841
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,160
the judicial part of this the three

842
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,400
parts of the government. Right? So the

843
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,400
legislative body is the city council.

844
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,000
You guys make recommendations on the

845
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000
city code. They adopt it. That's a

846
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,240
legislative action. Reszones are

847
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,079
legislative actions. General plans are

848
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,160
legislative actions. So that's public

849
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,599
hearings. Public can weigh in with

850
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,160
opinions. Uh you know just general

851
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,680
preferences, that type of thing. And

852
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,200
you're going to weigh that based on your

853
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,000
decisions. Uh then you're going to adopt

854
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,320
the code. And this is where we have our

855
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,240
biggest problem.

856
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,920
the state in the last few years has made

857
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,640
a great effort to

858
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,200
control our meanings a little bit and because when some when something's

859
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,680
in the code and we've talked about it

860
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,079
already that we have to follow the code

861
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,520
it's not time to say well that's not

862
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,720
wrong we shouldn't you know we should

863
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,440
have a different traffic count standard

864
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,000
you know no it's in the code now so the time to correct things is at the in

865
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,480
the creating the law itself and

866
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,000
hopefully once we get those standards

867
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,760
were just most of our actions at the

868
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,599
planning commission are do we meet these

869
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,000
standards and there is some variation of

870
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,920
opinion there but not it's pretty clear

871
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,200
uh and then we also have an appeal

872
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,160
authority we just use that uh last year

873
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,839
for the first time my first time here in

874
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:04,880
a couple years doesn't happen very often

875
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,280
variances yeah I want to vary from the

876
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,079
code because I have unique circumstances

877
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,160
and there's five specific criteria in

878
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,160
state code the one that kills a lot of

879
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,880
variances is it's um it can't be an

880
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,119
economic hardship. So, it's like, well,

881
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:20,880
if I can get one more lot, I can make a

882
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,200
hundred more thousand dollars. Uh yeah,

883
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,560
we're not going to break the rules so

884
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,200
you can make more money. So, that's that

885
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,839
kills a lot of those requests. Um but,

886
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,640
you know, I I actually sit on the Ogden

887
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,320
City U board of adjustment and you know,

888
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,839
we had one that's like, "Yeah, you're trying to put a development on

889
00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:43,040
this really weird sloped lot and it'd be

890
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,720
good development." So, you know, be

891
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,720
granted the variance. So, it there's

892
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,640
criteria there, but um if there's a

893
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,800
hardship or they're not getting to use

894
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,440
it the way others would that all the

895
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,240
legislative the the appeal body stuff

896
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,079
goes to an outside attorney for South

897
00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:59,839
Weieber. So, we bring in an outside

898
00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:02,880
attorney to hear that

899
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,800
the application and then staff responds

900
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,800
with this is what we think the code says

901
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,000
and then they make a final

902
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,480
determination.

903
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Um, yeah. So, legislative bodies, the

904
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,920
city council.

905
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,280
>> Yeah, I think that's we kind of cover

906
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,440
all those

907
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,200
plain language again talking about that.

908
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,720
Um,

909
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,720
and then the bill. I think we covered

910
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,480
those. Pretty good. Any questions on

911
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,440
that?

912
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Again, this is another slide talking

913
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,680
about the legislative administrative.

914
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Uh so conditional use permit is

915
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,359
administrative, subdivisions

916
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:41,760
administrative.

917
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,680
You know what does the code say? Do they

918
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,839
meet the code? We've already set up the

919
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:48,160
standards with the leg the legislative

920
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,880
act created the standards. Now do they?

921
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,000
So the legislative is where people can

922
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,839
uh have the public hearing. The

923
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,640
administrative is you're reviewing that.

924
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,160
Um yeah

925
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,599
some hearing requirements.

926
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,920
>> Can we go back to that? Yes.

927
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,870
>> Slide the Yeah.

928
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,480
» Yeah, that's a good slide. So, zoning

929
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640
ordinance, general plan, reszones,

930
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,630
annexation, legislative

931
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,160
condition, use site plan, development

932
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,079
agreements. Development agreements

933
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,400
actually there's kind of two types of

934
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,079
development agreements. One is uh can be

935
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,640
used to change the zoning. So that would

936
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,200
be a legislative.

937
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,520
South Gateway is, you know, under

938
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,720
construction right now. They went

939
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,160
through a development agreement. They

940
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,520
changed zoning rights for that property

941
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,079
and got into they're allowed to with a

942
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,400
development agreement go different than

943
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,319
just straight out of the city code and

944
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:52,319
it allows for nuances, but that's a

945
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:54,240
legislative act. This is a development

946
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,079
agreement which is now we've adopted

947
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,760
that development agreement. as that

948
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,000
subdivisions well they went in and they

949
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,319
came in previously did they meet the

950
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:06,550
subdivision code and the development

951
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,839
any more question on that?

952
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:11,440
>> So um the appeal authority in in our

953
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,119
little town where we don't have a board

954
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:14,880
of adjustments

955
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,560
um who handles that?

956
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,640
>> We get an outside attorney.

957
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,640
>> So just the attorney that's it.

958
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,040
>> Yep.

959
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,800
>> Okay. So we're not a part of that at

960
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,040
all.

961
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,480
>> We're our adopted code.

962
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:24,880
>> Yep.

963
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,599
>> Okay. Sweet. It's good enough.

964
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,839
>> I didn't know if like that was a tag

965
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:32,160
team sort of thing or not.

966
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,359
>> Okay. Um and then um

967
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:40,800
>> just that goes back to you're executive

968
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,040
you're does this meet the code? That's

969
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,200
judicial which is a little more

970
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,599
>> agree for

971
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,480
both. Yeah.

972
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,440
>> Okay. Cool.

973
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:01,030
Yeah, I'm good. Thanks.

974
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,760
» And there's again the we we've got to

975
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,920
have public hearings on those

976
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,280
legislative items. The other items we we circumvent it by taking all the

977
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,119
public comment during the public comment

978
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:16,079
section. Um

979
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:18,400
Utah's a little unique in in the states

980
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,880
I've worked in, but in that they really

981
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,640
separate those two things. But anyway,

982
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,880
it's that's how Utah does it is this is

983
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,119
legislative public hearings. This is

984
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:28,400
administrative and so there's

985
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,359
technically no specific discussion, but

986
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,680
everybody comes to the open meeting and

987
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,640
is able to put in their concerns. They

988
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,319
could also write and put it in, you

989
00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:39,760
know, send it in before the meeting and

990
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,280
that almost gets better attention

991
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,079
sometimes,

992
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:54,309
>> right? It's a give and take.

993
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:57,280
Oh, here you go. So, chance meeting any

994
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,440
social gathering.

995
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,680
You guys are off the hook. Do not

996
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,200
conduct city business.

997
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,720
I don't know why he's got the criminal

998
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,640
penalty.

999
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,640
>> This is scarce.

1000
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,800
>> Um, yeah. And this has been from another

1001
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,079
community I've had where the text

1002
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,240
messages go around between the planning

1003
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,440
commission and it's like guys that's the

1004
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,359
same as talking. You know, you'll have a

1005
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:23,760
group text and if it's who's making it

1006
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,319
to the meeting tonight, fine. You're not

1007
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:28,400
discussing business. How are you voting

1008
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,800
on the reszone tonight is a problem.

1009
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,240
>> That's worse than writing.

1010
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,240
>> It's got a time date stamp.

1011
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,680
>> But oneonone you can

1012
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,960
technically correct. Yeah.

1013
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,440
>> Yeah.

1014
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,079
>> Once there's

1015
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:43,920
>> I can text you and then and text, you

1016
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,640
know.

1017
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,800
>> Yeah. Exactly. And and really the way

1018
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,119
communication should happen between the

1019
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,040
whole group is that it should come from

1020
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,079
staff,

1021
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,760
>> you know, hey, the chair says, hey,

1022
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,359
we're going to cancel meeting tonight.

1023
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:57,280
Staff does that. So, it's always coming

1024
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,520
from staff to the group. It's and and

1025
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,000
that that that is a lot of the ethics

1026
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,880
and and stuff like that is just it's a

1027
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,119
it's not even close to the line. So,

1028
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,520
we're okay.

1029
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,680
You know, maybe that group text is okay,

1030
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,280
but you know,

1031
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,200
>> it's real easy for it to slide off and

1032
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,720
not be okay.

1033
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:17,599
>> Fine.

1034
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,839
Yep. Exactly.

1035
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:21,680
>> Yeah. I've gotten text messages from

1036
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,400
people in my community or in my part of

1037
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,640
the city and and a lot of times if

1038
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,599
they're, you know, re because in in

1039
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,480
these in these circumstances, they'll,

1040
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,040
you know, like mention, hey, I hope

1041
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,560
that, you know, this happens at the

1042
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,119
meeting tonight. And like

1043
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,520
you know unfortunately like well you

1044
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,520
know and I'll do a quick little you know

1045
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,520
primer saying

1046
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,200
the planning commission is a

1047
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,359
recommending body only

1048
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:52,640
>> you know and and it's we are responsible

1049
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,160
to the code.

1050
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,119
>> Um

1051
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,079
>> it's okay to educate and and to take the

1052
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,200
information. I think that's why

1053
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,400
>> make promises.

1054
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,200
>> Exactly.

1055
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:05,520
>> Yeah.

1056
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,680
It can go a long way.

1057
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,599
>> That is Tom.

1058
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:14,720
>> Yeah.

1059
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:18,079
>> So, I think this is the ethics training.

1060
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,480
>> I'm not sure what that has to do with

1061
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,200
presentation.

1062
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,040
>> Jamie knows the details of these slides.

1063
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,309
I have no idea.

1064
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:30,720
» So,

1065
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,680
>> this shows some examples.

1066
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,560
>> We've talked about that. We did see this

1067
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,839
by last year,

1068
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:44,630
>> but nothing's changed.

1069
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,200
» Yeah. So,

1070
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,839
>> so you need to know

1071
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:51,839
no, you know, can't use your office for

1072
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:55,280
personal benefit. Uh, no, no money for

1073
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,920
assistance of a transaction.

1074
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Business regulated by the city. Business

1075
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,880
doing business with the city.

1076
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,079
So, I think these are the six elements

1077
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,480
that he's talking about or where there's

1078
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,560
a potential conflict

1079
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,480
>> where you're crossing that line. You

1080
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,280
guys know this as well as I do. So,

1081
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,839
>> um yeah, no using it for personal

1082
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:23,030
benefit.

1083
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,560
Really hard not to go political, but

1084
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,510
it right there.

1085
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,710
Oh, Jeremy's back. Never mind. Um,

1086
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:42,550
let's see. Yeah, obviously personal

1087
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,640
I think. Yeah, I mean it's like it seems

1088
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,680
so simple. Uh, like obviously you're

1089
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:48,960
crossing a line, but man, when you get

1090
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,560
in those ethical scenarios, all of a

1091
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,960
sudden it gets really very fast. And so

1092
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,680
it's always okay to talk to staff. We al

1093
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,480
we talk to Jamie if there's something.

1094
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,040
I like that $50 is is up to $50 is okay.

1095
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,359
Uh that's been $50 for 20 years. So I

1096
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:08,800
don't know that needs to go up to the

1097
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,200
500 or something.

1098
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,200
>> Yeah. I mean a $50 uh you know

1099
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,760
Burleyburg gift card doesn't go far.

1100
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,640
>> That'd be all right.

1101
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:24,950
>> But anyway,

1102
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,319
» yeah. And this appearance, right? That's

1103
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:39,030
just don't even come close.

1104
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,520
Yeah, I mean he's got probably whole

1105
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,040
stories to each one of these slides. I

1106
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:43,520
don't know them.

1107
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:50,790
>> Sorry. But watch out for those elements.

1108
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,680
So I think this is talking about if I

1109
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,040
mean we have the ethics statement at the

1110
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,359
beginning of the year but if someone I'm

1111
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:00,160
not sure if this is even saying it but

1112
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,400
if someone you know or have a financial

1113
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,640
relationship with comes in you recuse

1114
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,480
yourself

1115
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,520
uh and you step down and you can sit in

1116
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,880
the audience and listen but you're done

1117
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,079
talking on that topic.

1118
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:14,960
>> So yeah one of

1119
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,400
>> I have stories about that too. Yeah. One

1120
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,920
of the things that could be concerned,

1121
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,760
this is a small community and I we have

1122
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,079
friends that like I approve something

1123
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,880
for his father-in-law and then tomorrow

1124
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,480
I'm at his house hanging out, right? So,

1125
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,800
it's like could get a little gray.

1126
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,960
>> Again, I think a social relationship is

1127
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,880
one thing, it's financial. Okay, that's

1128
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,040
where you're crossing the line.

1129
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,000
>> And if and even if you state that in the

1130
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,800
meeting, I I know this person uh you

1131
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,160
know, they live down the block. I've

1132
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,400
known him for 10 years, but we have no

1133
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,599
financial

1134
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,480
>> relationship.

1135
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,079
That's the type of

1136
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,640
>> blew a Tacoma, you know, brand new car

1137
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,280
>> week before. Just because you're a good

1138
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,800
guy.

1139
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:05,910
>> Yeah.

1140
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,920
» Talk to Jamie and

1141
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,000
>> absolutely thumbs up or thumbs down and

1142
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,670
give you some good advice.

1143
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:13,839
But

1144
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:15,760
>> I I would definitely er on the side of

1145
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,240
transparency for sure.

1146
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,240
>> I was at a university town and the

1147
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,319
professor was on the planning commission

1148
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:23,920
and she said well I have a conflict

1149
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,760
because this is a I worked with the

1150
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,079
university but she stayed up on the disc

1151
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:29,839
and participated in the conversation. We

1152
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:33,839
were like um wait a minute that default

1153
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:35,520
but weighed in on every other aspect of

1154
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,240
it. It's like yeah that we're playing

1155
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,359
both sides of the fence there.

1156
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:42,079
>> Yeah it's kind of funny.

1157
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,280
and you know, professor of land use

1158
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,839
development. So, it's kind of funny.

1159
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,079
You would think that she knew she was

1160
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,400
doing anyway.

1161
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,240
>> Yeah. And we can throw you in jail.

1162
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,400
I don't know what else.

1163
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,839
>> I don't know. Somebody will. I do code

1164
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:03,910
enforcement. I'm start.

1165
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,280
» Oh, yeah. Brought that up.

1166
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,280
any general questions or anything about

1167
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,880
I mean how the meetings are running or

1168
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,119
>> I think we're pretty good about

1169
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,280
>> So is the rule up to us if a citizen

1170
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,920
wants to come back up and talk. I know

1171
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,119
that's been some you know heartburn.

1172
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:26,400
>> Yeah, let's talk about that for a

1173
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,400
second.

1174
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,559
>> And everybody can weigh in. I I my vote

1175
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,559
is that if they're coming up to say I I

1176
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,400
need to correct I I said it's a 100

1177
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,720
acres and it's actually 50 or 10 or so.

1178
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:41,680
If there's a factual correction, fine.

1179
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,240
>> Um I can't it was a few months ago we

1180
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,920
had a hearing where they came back and

1181
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,680
they were just doing more testimony.

1182
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,520
>> The quick stop whatever it was about the

1183
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,680
lights and stuff and an hour later he

1184
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,079
brought it up and wanted to get up and

1185
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:55,200
go on again.

1186
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,559
>> Yeah. the content that we were

1187
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:58,880
discussing kind of spurred some thoughts

1188
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,119
of somebody in the audience and they're

1189
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,839
just like, "Oh, I've got a lot of input

1190
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:05,200
on this." Well, because it's tough

1191
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,400
because they they hear the direction

1192
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,079
you're going like, "Oh, wait. I didn't

1193
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:09,280
communicate clearly. You don't

1194
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,720
understand. This is going to destroy my

1195
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:12,319
world."

1196
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:14,800
>> You know, and I appreciate that, but

1197
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,280
they're done. And it's easier just to

1198
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,960
say, "Sorry, that's close and we're

1199
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:19,760
done."

1200
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,760
>> Close,

1201
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,119
>> right?

1202
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,040
My opinion is it's really up to the

1203
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,640
chair to allow or not allow but I would

1204
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,680
error that way because once you do it

1205
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,040
once

1206
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,280
>> and you're almost like sliding off

1207
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,839
>> and then every meeting you're did it two

1208
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:39,680
meetings ago why can't I do it now kind

1209
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,119
of so

1210
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:44,160
>> also got where people didn't even go up

1211
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,480
to the podium and they just started

1212
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,920
>> speaking then you lose control of the

1213
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:48,240
meeting

1214
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:49,520
>> yeah yeah and you lose control of the

1215
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,400
meeting yeah

1216
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,280
>> and I wasn't here for the general plan,

1217
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,000
but it some of the stories I've heard

1218
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,200
I'm a little concerned to have those

1219
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,400
meetings and they get

1220
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,599
>> it was a wild west

1221
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,760
>> and mean and and it's like no, we're not

1222
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:02,559
going there.

1223
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:03,119
>> Yeah.

1224
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,680
>> And and you just it's hard to do.

1225
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,000
>> Yeah.

1226
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,720
>> But nope, sorry. We're not doing that.

1227
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:09,359
>> It's okay.

1228
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:11,359
>> The chair really has a lot of control.

1229
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:11,760
>> Yeah.

1230
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:17,200
>> And the the way a meeting is ran is is

1231
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,119
you can blame it on the chair really

1232
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,280
because they have that gavvel. they have

1233
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,000
every right to stop and get control of

1234
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,920
the meeting and not let it get out of

1235
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,160
hand. And that's the hardest part is

1236
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,720
when everybody starts talking and we're

1237
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,800
recording this meeting, you can't tell

1238
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,920
who's saying what.

1239
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,480
>> Yeah.

1240
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,319
>> And it just, you know,

1241
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:37,839
>> that's why those rules of order are

1242
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:38,319
there.

1243
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:40,400
>> Yeah.

1244
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,000
>> And always go back to the rules of

1245
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,359
order, right? And you know that is you

1246
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:47,040
know that law of as you mentioned

1247
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,720
consistency and clarity and and so yeah

1248
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:52,640
and you know it it's a very simple

1249
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,920
principle that just you know percolates

1250
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,359
through everything that you've just gone

1251
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:01,430
through on the slides.

1252
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,440
One last question which doesn't pertain

1253
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,400
to us but what is how do you do a closed

1254
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,480
door meeting like what constitute a

1255
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,760
closed

1256
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:10,960
>> what would I call that

1257
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,040
>> close session

1258
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,960
>> usually it it involves like legal matter

1259
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,119
like someone's sued the city or someone

1260
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:23,040
situation has happened that could lead

1261
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,640
to something litigation or if we're

1262
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,839
talking about sale of city property we

1263
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:31,440
haven't put it up for sale yet, but

1264
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,040
we're debating what we want to do with

1265
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,280
this

1266
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,880
>> personel

1267
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,480
personnel changes and issues that go

1268
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,359
>> just out of curiosity.

1269
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:46,240
>> But the the time I've been on city

1270
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:50,960
council, it has been almost 100% related

1271
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,680
except for one year, almost 100% related

1272
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,079
to sale property. Okay.

1273
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:59,200
The other one was a legal discuss

1274
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,520
>> some some cities I know put it on every

1275
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,800
agenda full session as needed to discuss

1276
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,359
real estate

1277
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:09,920
that way just they can always jump into

1278
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,920
a close session

1279
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,440
>> door is always open. Yeah.

1280
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,280
>> I think you have to say what it's about

1281
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,640
though. You have to say it's for real

1282
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,480
estate discuss real estate or discuss

1283
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,240
litigation. You do have to

1284
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,160
>> kind of just a very general

1285
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,760
>> this is what we're talking about in that

1286
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,599
close session. But it's not documented

1287
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,680
any way in the meeting like you guys

1288
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,920
don't record or you know transcribe

1289
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:30,880
anything in the meeting.

1290
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:31,839
>> We do.

1291
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:33,520
>> Yeah. It has to be for

1292
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:34,640
>> Okay. That's what I was making sure.

1293
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,150
Yeah.

1294
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,160
» I'm not sure that doesn't get released

1295
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:40,559
to

1296
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:44,400
>> it does not get released but

1297
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,040
information

1298
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,160
>> meetings are not allowed to say outside

1299
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,520
of

1300
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,200
>> are those are those subject to foyer.

1301
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:53,760
For what?

1302
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,720
>> FOYA grant

1303
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,119
>> freedom of information.

1304
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:58,400
>> That's a good question. I don't think

1305
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,359
so.

1306
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:04,230
>> I think I think you have that cause in

1307
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:04,720
» Yeah,

1308
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,200
>> that'd be a good question for J.

1309
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,400
>> There it could be for a lot of C. I'm

1310
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,000
assuming people go after that like that

1311
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,200
they think something was not done right.

1312
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,799
If that's the case, then I think that

1313
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:19,119
the and this is Jeremy's been

1314
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:21,839
Jeremy is you would probably have to go

1315
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,640
down the path of you are opening up an

1316
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,920
actual litigation against the city and

1317
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,000
that gives you the right to pull in

1318
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:30,799
intel.

1319
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:32,720
>> Okay. And I think that would be the only

1320
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,880
case that I

1321
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,319
one of the only cases that I that you

1322
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:40,480
that

1323
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,559
>> there is very sensitive details

1324
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,599
sometimes that is discussed there

1325
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,760
you definitely

1326
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,440
want everybody to know

1327
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:49,920
>> right

1328
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,520
>> not that we're being secretive that's

1329
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,160
not

1330
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,799
>> right I like you know land deals you

1331
00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:59,839
know need to have some privacy

1332
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:03,680
>> the uh But um everyone should know that

1333
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,359
obviously we can't do anything legal on

1334
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:08,319
those. They're being recorded. So any

1335
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:10,799
decisions were held liable to those just

1336
00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:13,440
like we would if we're doing something

1337
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,359
in the public on the dis. So all the

1338
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:20,400
same rules apply. There's just a little

1339
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,319
bit card out to to allow you to

1340
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:27,119
right.

1341
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:31,190
It's a great question though.

1342
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,359
I have a question,

1343
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:34,079
right?

1344
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,000
>> Not yet.

1345
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,240
>> I'm just so

1346
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,920
>> Well, and you can always email. We can

1347
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,920
always talk later. I mean, stuff comes

1348
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,960
up and or before a meeting, you've been,

1349
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,799
you know, we're here to talk and we can

1350
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:48,319
always get a good answer.

1351
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:50,880
>> No, these trainings are phenomenal.

1352
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,160
>> They're great.

1353
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,720
>> I always learn little nuggets at a time.

1354
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,400
>> Sorry. Uh Jamie is at your best.

1355
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,240
>> So if you have like a concern or

1356
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,440
curiosity question, please don't hold

1357
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,960
back. You can email alongside.

1358
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,000
He's pretty quick to respond. It's he's

1359
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,920
that we are paying him as our attorney

1360
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,920
to give us advice to help guide us to

1361
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,319
help direct us. So take advantage of

1362
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:18,640
that.

1363
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,160
>> Especially if you feel like you have a

1364
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,680
conflict of interest.

1365
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:21,920
>> Absolutely.

1366
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,680
>> He get he deals with that all the time.

1367
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,640
No.

1368
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,119
>> Okay.

1369
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:28,799
I'm just going to plug him into my phone

1370
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:30,720
here if you don't mind keeping that up

1371
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,079
for just a second longer.

1372
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,160
>> You you emailed this to us. So, you said

1373
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:42,950
>> I will. Yes.

1374
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,559
» I'll make sure we've got phone numbers

1375
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,119
current too. This slide might be a

1376
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:48,160
little

1377
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,750
>> I don't think so.

1378
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:59,990
» People change numbers sometimes.

1379
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,240
» We have to move to close, right? Or

1380
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:02,880
motion.

1381
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,319
>> Oh, yeah. Sorry, I'm typing really slow.

1382
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:11,430
>> It's okay. We don't have any rest.

1383
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,839
» We have the motion to close, right? I

1384
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,160
motion to close. uh planning commission

1385
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,240
meeting today.

1386
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,240
I almost got the date on top of this in

1387
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,040
January.

1388
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,589
>> I'll second that motion.

1389
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:31,640
>> Yes.