1 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,160 Okay, we'd like to welcome everyone to 2 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,959 South Weaver City Council. It is 6:00 PM 3 00:12:58,959 --> 00:13:03,600 on Tuesday, April 14, 2026. We'll begin 4 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,160 with the pledge of allegiance led by 5 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,240 Councilman Dills and then I'll offer a 6 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,000 prayer. 7 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,360 Please stand and repeat the pledge of 8 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,629 allegiance 9 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:17,360 to the flag of the United States of 10 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,399 America and to the republic for which it 11 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:23,600 stands. One nation under God, 12 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,160 indivisible, with liberty and justice 13 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,590 for all. 14 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,949 Our 15 00:13:32,959 --> 00:13:34,639 heavenly father, as we begin this city 16 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:36,320 council meeting this evening, we pray 17 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,959 that Holy Spirit will be here with us 18 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:41,440 this night. That those things that we 19 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,480 discuss and the decisions we make be 20 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,920 proper and and best for our city. We're 21 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,240 grateful for the blessings, blessings 22 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,959 in this community. Grateful for those 23 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:58,000 that live here and for those that work 24 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,360 and that they will that will bless our 25 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,839 staff and bless 26 00:14:03,839 --> 00:14:05,839 our first responders that they will 27 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:08,880 always be kept safe to serve our 28 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,519 community well. Pray that general will 29 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:14,480 watch over and protect our military. 30 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,320 Be with them, guide their actions and 31 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,440 things that they do and also keep them 32 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,959 safe. 33 00:14:22,959 --> 00:14:25,600 grateful for their many blessings. Pray 34 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,199 that we can conduct this meeting this 35 00:14:29,199 --> 00:14:31,680 night and be influenced by the goodness 36 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,160 we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ. 37 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:39,590 Amen. 38 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,760 » Okay, we'll begin with public comments. 39 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,440 If you've got a comment, we'd ask you to 40 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,680 come up to the microphone, state your 41 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,160 name and city which you reside. We'll 42 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,040 allow you three minutes to speak 43 00:14:51,040 --> 00:15:06,150 and open for public comments. 44 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,680 » Michael Grant 261 died. First of all, 45 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,920 I'm recovering well, but I'm married to 46 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,959 these crutches till uh June 16th, so get 47 00:15:14,959 --> 00:15:17,519 used to it. I'm doing it for an endic 48 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:18,800 parking spot. 49 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,360 >> Oh, yes. 50 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:21,680 >> Sure. 51 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,920 >> And I want to I have questions for Mr. 52 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,760 Parker, the presenter regarding 53 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,560 permanent and uh transitional housing by 54 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,680 Davis County. Few questions are uh where 55 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,800 is it coming from? Is it federal? Is it 56 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,680 state? Is it mandatory? Is it optional? 57 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,920 Uh do we get a page for that? What kind 58 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,120 of transaction is going on? uh you know 59 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,320 being open then um would there be a 60 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,040 penalty if we don't do this? Is it just 61 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,279 a recommendation advisory or mandatory 62 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:56,560 to include this kind of housing in our 63 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,600 city? Lastly, we are not a big city. We 64 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,720 have 200 homes. The only um source of 65 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,399 revenue primarily are taxes by the 66 00:16:06,399 --> 00:16:09,279 residents. We do have a Maverick and 67 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:11,360 which gets us some revenues, but the 68 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,199 sand pits probably are not generating 69 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:15,440 revenues as much as we had expected 70 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,199 during changes. So, and our um contract 71 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:23,040 with DCSOS money and most of our crime 72 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,759 is happening at Maverick. So, when we 73 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:28,320 start getting this housing, we the 74 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,600 citizen will have to pay more to DSO and 75 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,199 other law enforcement. We don't even 76 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:35,600 have a code enforcement officer. So that 77 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,320 just adds to our cause. We probably are 78 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,959 not the right candidate for such an 79 00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:42,639 underdeing. 80 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:43,680 Thanks. 81 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:55,590 >> Thank you. 82 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,910 » Anyone else? 83 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,759 Okay, then that'll lead us right into 84 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:05,039 our next presentation. We have 85 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:07,439 Ryan Parker here from Davis County 86 00:17:07,439 --> 00:17:10,880 Housing. Well, and Ryan, 87 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,880 >> we got two Ryan. They're team tagging 88 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,720 tonight, it looks like. 89 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,679 >> Okay, we'll turn the time to you guys. 90 00:17:17,679 --> 00:17:19,760 >> Good evening, mayor, council members. My 91 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,280 name is Ryan Stein. I'm actually the 92 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,360 community services manager for county. 93 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:25,839 So, my office oversees federal programs, 94 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:27,520 homeless response, affordable housing, 95 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,919 variety, other initiatives, but 96 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:31,520 appreciated the public comment. So I 97 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,520 wanted to give a little bit about a 98 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:34,880 context about why we're doing this. 99 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,080 We're actually doing this presentation 100 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,480 with all 15 cities in Davis County. So 101 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,480 as you probably recall, three years or 102 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,559 yeah, three years ago now, uh the state 103 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:44,559 legislature passed a law to require 104 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:46,559 counties of the second class to what was 105 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:50,400 called winter overflow code plans. So as 106 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,679 part of that process, the county 107 00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:53,280 convened a winter overflow task force 108 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:54,880 that was comprised of seven areas of one 109 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,960 county commissioner and they started 110 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,400 meeting having discussions about what 111 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,840 winter overflow would look like. So the 112 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,679 winter overflow requirement was from 113 00:18:01,679 --> 00:18:04,400 October 15th until April 30th. We had to 114 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,799 basically operate an emergency shelter 115 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:08,880 during that period. 116 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,160 When we started having those questions, 117 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,679 obviously you can imagine the challenges 118 00:18:11,679 --> 00:18:13,280 of trying to operate a temporary 119 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,280 emergency shelter only six months out of 120 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,360 the year. Logistically, financially, it 121 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:19,600 was hugely challenging. So we went back 122 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,280 to the state legislature and said, 123 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,960 "Would you guys make a change to the 124 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,039 code that would allow us if we work 125 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:27,840 towards and we let them perfectly vague, 126 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,320 potentially rehab, yeah, intentionally 127 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,039 big rather, uh that if we work towards a 128 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:34,720 long-term solution to address 129 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,120 homelessness, I say solution in quotes, 130 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,960 that gave us some flexibility to decide 131 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,360 as a county what's best for our response 132 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:42,880 because we didn't feel like an emergency 133 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,280 shelter would work would really be 134 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,679 needed in Davis County." Um, so that's 135 00:18:47,679 --> 00:18:48,880 when we started talking about permanent 136 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,400 support housing, transitional housing. 137 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,200 We looked at models all across the back 138 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,559 that say the legislature didn't make 139 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:56,799 that change for us. So that allowed us 140 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:58,799 essentially a runway period to kind of 141 00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:00,320 figure out what would work for Davis 142 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,400 County. We looked at communities all 143 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,840 across the country, Hen County, 144 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Milwaukee County, and the things that we 145 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,760 found to be most effective in terms of 146 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,760 getting people out of homelessness. Now, 147 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,679 right, emergency shelters has a place. 148 00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:13,600 It gets people out of the cold and and 149 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,120 in shelter, but it doesn't actually move 150 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:16,640 the needle in terms of getting people 151 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,320 out of homelessness. Permanent 152 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,679 supportive housing and transitional 153 00:19:19,679 --> 00:19:21,039 housing have been shown to be highly 154 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:22,640 effective across the country for getting 155 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,120 people stabilized into housing, get them 156 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,640 the services they need, the help they 157 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,400 need, and get them out of that 158 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,200 situation. So, what Brian and I are here 159 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,720 today to do is just kind of educate the 160 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,160 city council about what is permanent 161 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,160 support, permanent supportive housing, 162 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,520 and transitional housing. What does that 163 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,360 mean? We're talking about those things. 164 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:40,799 We're not here suggesting that we're 165 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:42,080 going to bring a project to South 166 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,440 Weaver. Like I said, we're giving this 167 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,760 presentation to every city. As you guys 168 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,440 know, Davis County is extremely 169 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,440 landmark. There's less than 9,000 bell 170 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,120 blankers left in this county. So, it's 171 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,840 hard to find land. Part of our what our 172 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,440 office is doing is we're looking for a 173 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,360 potential site. So, we want to just have 174 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:58,960 this conversation with all of our cities 175 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960 to educate them. So, if a site does 176 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,799 become available, all our stud all of 177 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:03,919 our cities are aware of what we're 178 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:06,240 trying to do. So, with that, I'll turn 179 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,919 the time over to writing to the 180 00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:09,280 president. 181 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,960 Thank you, Ryan. 182 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,200 >> Thank you, sir. Ah, well, mayors and 183 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,799 council, thank you. Uh, thank you for 184 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:16,640 the public that is here today. It's very 185 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,559 exciting time. I always enjoy coming out 186 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:21,120 and talking about housing. Uh, and your 187 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,799 lovely city reporter is going to help me 188 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:24,880 with my uh with my presentation. So, 189 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,960 without further ado, uh, my name is Ryan 190 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,000 Parker. I am the housing and 191 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,280 homelessness coordinator for Davis 192 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,600 County. I work under I work under Ryan 193 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,840 here. If you want to click the next 194 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,720 slide. U, so this is our team. Uh, the 195 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,080 other person part of our team. name is 196 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:39,440 Samantha Branch. She's our grants 197 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,039 administrator. So, if any of you are 198 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:43,600 working on any kind of CDBG or home kind 199 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,080 of grants uh with the county Samantha's 200 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,720 probably going to be the one helping you process it, she's great. I 201 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,240 actually go back with her to the housing 202 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,240 authority of Salt Lake County way back 203 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,919 in the day. So, we've been doing this 204 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:55,600 for a very long time. So, there's a lot 205 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,440 of expertise, a lot of passion behind 206 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,480 this. Next slide. So, uh to begin with the point in time count, this is 207 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,400 the most recent one. We don't have this 208 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,559 year's numbers yet for the 2026 point in 209 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:07,679 time count. But for those who aren't 210 00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:10,000 familiar, the point in time count is an 211 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,559 annual hunted um operation where every 212 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,200 uh county of every state where we 213 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,039 basically go out on three consecutive 214 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:20,720 nights, I consider the coldest nights of 215 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,960 the year at 3:00 a.m. and we try to 216 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,799 count as many and observe as many people 217 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:26,080 that are experiencing homelessness as 218 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,720 possible. Uh you'll see last year we had 219 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,559 127 in Davis County and man I I should 220 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:33,760 know these slides off the back of my 221 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,600 head at this point but you'll see uh in 222 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:36,559 some of those smaller like the 223 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:37,919 chronically homeless individuals we're 224 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:40,480 seeing in the about 30s the 40 range and 225 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,000 then we're also seeing individuals that 226 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,320 are utilizing services like safe harbor 227 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,640 victims of domestic violence etc. Uh 228 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,520 next slide please. Uh so you'll see over 229 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,159 the last four years uh we've kind of had 230 00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:53,679 a fluctuation in number especially 231 00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:57,200 following COVID the 2024 to 2025 that 232 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,760 huge jump was during that point in time 233 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,679 count that was operated by our great 234 00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:04,320 partners Open Doors that the volunteers 235 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,600 what they were doing they were only 236 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,919 counting surveys and not observations. 237 00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:09,600 So for those that have never done the 238 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,919 point in time count I'd highly recommend 239 00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:13,919 signing up we'll be posting it uh 240 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:16,240 probably around November December. We do 241 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,000 go out every January and I'm partaking 242 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,679 in it. I do it every year that I can. 243 00:22:19,679 --> 00:22:21,520 So, please if you have it, it's a great 244 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,360 time. We all just eat snacks, drink 245 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:24,880 coffee. We just go around our our 246 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,440 counties. Um, but what we do is we go 247 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,880 out and we'll interview individuals. 248 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,720 Now, sometimes folks at 3:00 in the 249 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,240 morning do not want to be bothered, let 250 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,400 alone those who are staying outside. I'm 251 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,840 sure if I knocked on your door at 3:00 252 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,120 a.m. wanting to give a survey, you 253 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,960 probably have some choice orders for me. 254 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,880 So, it's those that don't want to take a 255 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,080 survey. We just count that as an 256 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,640 observation. by let letting the 2024 257 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,000 point in time count they were only 258 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,520 counting surveys so that's why you see 259 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,240 that large jump that we have those folks 260 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,559 that even open doors like yeah no we 261 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:54,159 were counting some of the same people 262 00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:56,320 what I can say is while we do not while 263 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,919 we don't have the preliminary numbers in 264 00:22:57,919 --> 00:22:59,679 front of us uh we did see a little bit 265 00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,679 more observations this year so we are 266 00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:03,679 anticipating even ever so slightly 267 00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:07,280 increase in our point in time count 268 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,840 thank you all right so what is permanent 269 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,760 supportive and transitional housing so 270 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,960 normally we would just purpose 271 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,600 supportive housing or just do a project 272 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,360 on transitional housing. But the great 273 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,720 thing with these type of projects is 274 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,320 that we they can be hybrid. They don't 275 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,320 have to be either or. So you'll normally 276 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,400 see things like transitional housing in 277 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,720 let's say converted motel uh that you 278 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,080 see a lot happening in like the Salt 279 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,440 Lake County area. And then per 280 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,799 supportive housing is where you're going 281 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,280 to see what is your standard kind of 282 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,720 housing. And there's many different 283 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,320 types of those housing. What you can see 284 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,320 in uh prior uh what we're talking about 285 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,440 with permanent supportive or 286 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,600 transitional housing is we're talking 287 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,679 about prioritizing permanent housing for 288 00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:46,159 a stable base for people to recover. And 289 00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:48,000 when we mean permanent that's what we do 290 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,600 mean now these are going to be not for 291 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,679 everybody. Not everyone needs permanent 292 00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:53,120 uh supportive housing. You might have 293 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,039 individuals that more qualify probably 294 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:58,880 for transitional something quick and off the street help stabilize them 295 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,159 getting employment. We're talking 296 00:24:00,159 --> 00:24:01,440 probably more young able-bodied 297 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,679 individuals. But for the 50-year-old 298 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:04,960 chronically homeless individual who's 299 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,640 bound to a wheelchair, they're probably 300 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,480 not going to find self-sufficiency 301 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,000 working as Walmart. They're probably 302 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,919 going to need that little extra help. 303 00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:14,240 And so permanent supportive housing uh 304 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,679 will also provide what is known as 305 00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:17,360 on-site support because when people 306 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,120 think of housing first, unfortunately, 307 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,320 what has happened over the last few 308 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,760 years is that housing first has been 309 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,400 housing only. So the federal government 310 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,919 they really prioritize housing first 311 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:27,520 which means we are going to get people 312 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,440 qualified for subsidized uh units or 313 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,760 subsidized assistance without any kind 314 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,520 of prerequisitions except income 315 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,919 qualifications basically. And what was 316 00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:37,520 happening was while we had many 317 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,039 meaningful you know well-meaning 318 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:40,640 individuals or organizations that were 319 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,559 applying for these funds they didn't 320 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,080 have the infrastructure on the back end. 321 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,679 So they said yes we're just going to 322 00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:47,200 inquify these folks. We're going to put 323 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,159 them in a unit. They're going to be 324 00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:49,200 great and then they would just kind of 325 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,320 walk away. That is not housing first. As 326 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,760 a housing case manager for the housing 327 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,320 authority county, what my role was after 328 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,080 getting individuals out of the camps and 329 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,320 signed up into housing with the lease, I 330 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,840 would follow them into housing for at 331 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,159 least a minimum of 12 months where we 332 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:06,559 are working on setting up uh utilities 333 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,400 and payments. You'll be amazed at how 334 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,600 many folks the last time they were 335 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,440 paying utilities was with money orders 336 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,120 at Macy's. You know, everyone's like, 337 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,480 "Wait, you just do everything online 338 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,240 these days." So, those were kind of very 339 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,720 fun activities to do with folks. Uh but 340 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,480 that is also the big reason why program 341 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,080 support of housing works because you're 342 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,000 not seeing individuals that will get all 343 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,600 this great things up front, case 344 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,559 management, uh referrals, job training, 345 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:30,000 all that kind of stuff put into housing 346 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,400 and then best of luck to you and not and 347 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,080 not ever addressing the core issues of 348 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:34,960 what brought them into the homeless 349 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,320 system in the first place. With 350 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,520 permanent supportive housing and 351 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,440 transitional housing, you have onsite 352 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,600 case management, on-site support, and 353 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,679 even things like APRNs who can come in 354 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:46,080 and do med management. uh and what we've 355 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,840 seen uh and we'll and I'll show you in a 356 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,440 few slides as the statistics of what we 357 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,360 have here in Utah precisely is that the 358 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,039 future projected outcomes for long-term 359 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:54,480 housing stability, the increased 360 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,080 employment rates and greater economic 361 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,919 independence. Next slide. 362 00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:01,520 So the key components of permanent 363 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,799 supportive housing, we talked about the 364 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:04,799 indefinite stay. What that more simply 365 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,200 means is a right of tenency. So when we 366 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,400 get into transitional housing, you're 367 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,320 going to see things like six months to 368 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,000 12 months. And these are going to be a 369 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,360 little bit more kind of like extended 370 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,200 stays, sober livingings where there's 371 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,400 not really like you don't really have 372 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,159 lease rights. It's more so like I mean 373 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:19,600 you probably can have a instead of a 374 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,760 landlord to be a program manager. You 375 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,919 might have required drug testing or even 376 00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:25,679 things like you have to attend certain 377 00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:30,159 AA meetings, get a car signed, etc., Perman supportive housing again you 378 00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:32,159 are required to sign up for the services 379 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,400 that while you are living there, but you 380 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,760 have the right of tenency. you're going 381 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,559 to have a lease and every year what you 382 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:40,320 what the big component is is that the 383 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,760 individuals have the right of first 384 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,919 refusal. Meaning that a landlord cannot 385 00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:45,919 just non-renew their lease. They still 386 00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:47,760 have to meet all their regulations. They 387 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,880 still have to comply with their lease, 388 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,960 still have to pay their rent. Uh but 389 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,400 once their lease is up, it's not going 390 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,760 to be well, you know, I'm not going to 391 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,200 renew your lease because I want to raise 392 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,159 my 30%. Uh, and I can say this as a 393 00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,480 former property manager for the Central 394 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,320 City Apartments that is a purpose for 395 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,000 housing project on Fifth South that is 396 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,480 owned and operated by um by First Step 397 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,480 House. So, it's the same thing as any 398 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,080 other apartments, but we just have 399 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,559 on-site support and we give our tenants 400 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,320 the right to fund refusal. And sometimes 401 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,760 they do. Sometimes they say, "Man, I've 402 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,200 been here for about a year or two. I 403 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,559 think I'm doing good and you know, I 404 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:19,760 actually kind of want to just move back 405 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,279 to Tilla or something like that." Okay, 406 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:22,880 great. Now they have stud now they have 407 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,880 a solid renter history and we're able to 408 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,559 use that to then qualify for the next 409 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,080 apartment and the next apartment but we 410 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,279 always give them that chance been able 411 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:30,559 to say well it's 12 months we're not 412 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,159 going to leave next slide 413 00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:36,320 and so back to transitional housing 414 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,159 we're talking about 6 to 24 months time 415 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:39,520 limited stay but you still get those 416 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,960 comprehensive support services we're 417 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200 still going to talk about uh having uh 418 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,080 job site training u different types of 419 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,080 uh educational supports we've already 420 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,840 talking with with partners in the county 421 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,080 whether it be Davis Tech or USU that 422 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,159 would be willing to offer either 423 00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:56,080 scholarships or different kinds of uh 424 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,320 job training. And so you're going to as 425 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,480 well as um talking with groups like Open 426 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,640 Doors or Davis Behavioral Health to do 427 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,640 on-site case management, substance use 428 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,080 treatment, things to that effect where 429 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,120 they're going to be able to get those 430 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,279 things on site instead of having to just 431 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:10,399 travel. We're going to bring all these 432 00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:11,840 services to these folks, help them get 433 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,000 stabilized in order to get them ready. 434 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,279 Now, you do see that we do have 435 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:16,960 transitional housing and permanent 436 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,960 housing. Sometimes transitional housing 437 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,640 can be used as a good way to just kind 438 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,480 of gauge an individual do needs 439 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,919 assessments and if there is a person 440 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:25,520 that might require a little bit longer 441 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,760 than you know six to 24 months then we 442 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,360 can you know consider doing a permanent 443 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,640 housing. Next slide. 444 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,159 And going back to again the distinction 445 00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:35,919 between housing versus housing only is 446 00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:37,440 that people are not just being dropped 447 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,520 off and left alone. As part of what my 448 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,360 job was as a housing case manager, I had 449 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,360 to check in on my clients at least once 450 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,200 a week. when I was managing the central 451 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,720 city apartments, the on-site case 452 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,919 managers, they were checking in with 453 00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:49,919 their folks daily because they worked on 454 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,080 site and their clients lived on site. 455 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,760 So, even if I mean, of course, people 456 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:54,960 live their adults are going to live 457 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,799 their lives. If they miss someone that 458 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,080 day, they'll just leave a note on their 459 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,440 door, but there's always that constant 460 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,279 communication. And the best thing about 461 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,200 these these types of approach is that 462 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,640 they're that everyone's going to have 463 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,320 their needs met. So, as a property 464 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,080 manager, if there was concerns about 465 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,679 either behavior or rent and I couldn't 466 00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:11,520 get a hold of the other tenants, I would 467 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,960 just reach out to their case manager and 468 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,080 their case manager like, "Oh, yeah. 469 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,200 Meeting with them, you know, bring it 470 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,720 up." And that way, we were always able 471 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,720 to have constant communication. So, 472 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,159 there's never going to be this kind of 473 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:22,159 what you saw with with some of these 474 00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:23,840 unfortunate housing first practices that 475 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,520 were housed locally. These kind of 476 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,520 disconnect, these cracks in the systems 477 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760 where what can you expect when you don't 478 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,520 treat an individual's underlying cause? 479 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,320 a person who has been severely disabled, 480 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,679 who suffers with severe persistent 481 00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:37,039 mental illness and they've been on the 482 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,760 streets. You put them in a great you 483 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,159 know you don't know you don't help them 484 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:45,919 develop all the necessary skills or even 485 00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:47,440 the life skills or even the inhome 486 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,200 nursing skills that they might need. So 487 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,559 that is what the best approach to 488 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:51,600 permanent supportive housing and 489 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,440 transitional housing is that is the 490 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,360 actual true model with housing works. 491 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440 Thank you. Now the best part so what is 492 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,799 the actual proof of this? This sounds 493 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,679 great, Ryan. We love your energy. And 494 00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:04,960 where where does the rubber meet the 495 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,640 road with this stuff? And not in 496 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,399 California, not in New York. What are we 497 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:10,159 talking about here? From the data from 498 00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:12,159 the Office of Homeless Services that has 499 00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:14,240 that have been looking at the actual 500 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,320 numbers for what is our success rate, 501 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,360 the permanent support of housing 502 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,200 projects here in the state of Utah. Over 503 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,960 the last four consecutive years, we have 504 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,799 seen a success rate that is held steady 505 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,559 at 93%. 506 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:25,679 And the way they gathered this 507 00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:27,279 information is from the Utah Homeless 508 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,679 Management Information System, HIMis. Uh 509 00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:31,840 so when you have service providers the 510 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,240 road home first step house or any open 511 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,480 doors safe harbor anyone who utilizes 512 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,000 these kind of services they always you 513 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,320 know will u designate their project and 514 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,159 just kind of identify if a person is 515 00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:43,600 exiting homelessness if they're entering 516 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,039 homelessness and that's where this data 517 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:47,039 comes from. So we are seeing here 518 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,279 locally uh that per supportive housing 519 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:50,559 and transitional housing have huge 520 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:51,679 success rates when dealing with 521 00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:53,120 individuals experiencing homelessness 522 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,880 because again what we are doing is we 523 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,559 are connecting people to services. We 524 00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,320 are not just leaving them to their 525 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,240 basically to their own abilities and 526 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,440 just putting them in just free housing 527 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,799 the same best. 528 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,120 >> Thank you. All right. So, the benefits 529 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,720 of housing the chronically homeless. So, 530 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,399 we already can just discuss the improved 531 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:12,080 health outcomes and health outcomes and 532 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,320 reduce mortality, the decreased use of 533 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,840 emergency services. So, we're talking 534 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,520 the high utilizers when we have people 535 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,880 that are in camps, people that are 536 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,240 outside or people that are going in and 537 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,840 out of jail. This is going to cost all 538 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,640 the taxpayers money. uh every uh every 539 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,159 interaction with law enforcement, every 540 00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:27,919 interaction with the emergency room, 541 00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:29,440 every interaction with paramedics, 542 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,440 responders, especially during either uh 543 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,000 severe colds or high heats. These are 544 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,679 all calls that obviously our first 545 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:37,519 responders do fantastic with and meeting 546 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,120 the needs of these this vulnerable 547 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,039 population. But being able to have these 548 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,519 people housed in in a very safe and 549 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:45,760 stable environment just decreases uh the 550 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,519 bandwidth on our on our services, 551 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,519 especially in rural areas or in small 552 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,080 towns. So we have the lower public cost, 553 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,120 increase housing stability and 554 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,720 self-sufficiency and enhance community 555 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,240 safety and reduce crime rates. 556 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,600 So the economic benefits of an 557 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,880 affordable housing project. I always 558 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,399 like to add these slides because we can 559 00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:04,000 all say here as adults in the year of 560 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,320 our Lord 2026 altruism does not pay the 561 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,240 bills. How do we make these projects 562 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,240 pencil? How do we make these things best 563 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,480 in our community? So we have the reduced 564 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,480 public cost talked about the job 565 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,320 creation and local spending when people 566 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,240 live in the communities that they're 567 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,000 able to work in that just booms the 568 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 economy. As the resident of Twilla 569 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,600 County, I can tell you Tilla County 570 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,039 commissioners and Twilla City Councils, 571 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,080 they're trying to figure out how to 572 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,159 bring jobs there because about 80% of us 573 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:29,760 commute into Salt Lake County and they 574 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,039 know that's a lot of money they're 575 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,960 leaving on the table. So when you have 576 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,640 these housing projects that are able to 577 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,799 connect residents to educational 578 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,200 prospects, job prospects, you are now 579 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,200 getting a new employee here in your 580 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,080 city, here in your area. Uh enhance 581 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,919 property values, increase tax revenue, 582 00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:47,360 and decrease reliance on social 583 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,679 services. So again, when people are able 584 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:52,399 to stabilize because I mean sure uh we 585 00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:55,279 can always, you know, want to we can 586 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:56,320 always want to hope for the best, 587 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,679 prepare for the worst, but in the end, 588 00:32:57,679 --> 00:32:59,600 everyone wants to live with dignity. 589 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,679 Everyone wants to be independent. And so 590 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,360 when we're able to create these kind of 591 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,559 networks, when we're able to create 592 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,320 these infrastructures, this one goes 593 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,919 ahead and just continues to support that 594 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:09,679 quality. 595 00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:11,360 And you'll see that even in Salt Lake 596 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,960 City where you have downtowns and you 597 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,559 have all these different services that 598 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,320 will per supportive housing projects are 599 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,710 you see quiet and sticky. 600 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,559 And then what does a purpose housing or transitional housing project look 601 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,640 like in your community? So the great 602 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,320 thing is is that we are no longer in the 603 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,320 80s. We do not have to live with the old 604 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,600 box um you know DC Chicago style pro 605 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,480 housing projects. Our perport housing 606 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,320 projects can adapt to anything that the 607 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,159 architects need to for whatever 608 00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:42,320 communities desire. In fact, the three 609 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,480 new uh the three uh resource centers 610 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,240 that came online in the Salt Lake City 611 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,600 area after the closure of the downtown 612 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,519 shelter, those were all designed with 613 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,600 input from the communities in from the 614 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,679 neighborhoods in those communities. So, 615 00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:55,360 we can use different uh cottage 616 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,799 clusters. They don't have to be these 617 00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,799 big old apartment buildings. We can do 618 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,120 town homes. We can I mean if we want we 619 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,440 can even do reuse projects because again 620 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,600 as Ryan was mentioning yes the land is 621 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,960 very tight. Are we looking at 622 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,720 redevelopment infill? There's nothing 623 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,000 that can't be done when it comes to 624 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,919 prosper housing and transitional housing 625 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:13,520 projects with with the amazing 626 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,040 developers we have this day and age and 627 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,440 especially developers here in Utah and 628 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,560 we've already been talking with some 629 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,760 that are very interested in doing a 630 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,040 project somewhere in Davis County. 631 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,560 And so the community partners that we 632 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,879 have been in constant touch with uh over 633 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,399 these past few months and getting this 634 00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:29,760 kind of uh really just kind of getting 635 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,119 the ball rolling and these conversations 636 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:32,960 going has been Davis behavioral health. 637 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,159 Some of you might be familiar that they 638 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,079 are currently building their own uh 639 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,399 housing development in the Kisville 640 00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:41,280 Logan or Leon kind of border. Uh we have 641 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,200 open doors Davis Community Housing 642 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,800 Authority Utah State University and 643 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,720 Davis Technical College. Inter Mountain 644 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:48,079 Health has also talked about wanting to 645 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:49,200 be able to support with any kind of 646 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,869 health initiatives. 647 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,800 And then next, so finally, the reason 648 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,399 why we're here, and I wanted to rephrase 649 00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:58,079 this, but I didn't have time this 650 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,240 afternoon. Uh, what we are asking is 651 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,480 that if an opportunity arises, because 652 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,920 again, at this point, nothing has been 653 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,000 penciled, nothing is mandatory, nothing 654 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,880 like we're we're not uh we're not we're 655 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,400 not swinging hammers or anything like 656 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,560 that at this point. if an opportunity 657 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,800 were to arise and we had the partners, 658 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,560 we had the finances, we had everything 659 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,320 ready to go and something like this were 660 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,839 to be considered and there was a site 661 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:22,640 and an opportunity here in South Weieber 662 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,400 that we would at least consider here 663 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,240 what the project would do. And the thing 664 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,240 when we're talking about these type of 665 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,560 projects is that every community has a 666 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,040 different need, right? The need of Davis 667 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,720 County is not the same as Salt Lake 668 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,560 County. So, in Tilla, where I'm 669 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,920 currently living at, where we're in a 670 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,079 rural area and people do not want to 671 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,119 have huge shelters, we have a very small 672 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:44,960 and very practical homeless shelter that 673 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,800 is in a residential neighborhood and it 674 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,720 has 60 beds. It's not like the South 675 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,079 Salt Lake shelter where we're talking 676 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,320 about 300 beds or have legislature. 677 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,680 We're talking about maybe building an 678 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,000 1100 bed shelter. So, we're talking, 679 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,440 well, what are we looking at with this 680 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,680 development? It could be 50 units, 60 681 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,760 units, and then everything that we can 682 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,359 do as a county to help support any kind 683 00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:05,440 of environmental impact when we're using 684 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,480 CDBG or home funding again because we 685 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,839 want to be a supportive partner in all 686 00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:11,440 of this. We're not here to say, "Yeah, 687 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,200 you guys should let uh this developer, 688 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,520 this operator open up here because we 689 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,880 just think it's good. We want to do what 690 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,720 we can to help support our communities, 691 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,560 our uh our cities, and all 692 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,880 stakeholders." Uh, and with that, I'm 693 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,960 open to any questions that the council 694 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,150 have. 695 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,960 Thank you. Appreciate you coming. Anyone 696 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,280 have any comments or any questions? 697 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,240 >> Do do we have any 698 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,000 like this in Davis County now? 699 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:40,640 >> We do not. 700 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,359 >> I think so. 701 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:42,720 >> That's what we are hoping. We at least 702 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,520 want to find somewhere to one per 703 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,520 municipal housing project because the 704 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,000 need is there now. And again, if we saw 705 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,440 what the point of time count was, we 706 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,160 found 127 last year. And not all of 707 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,839 those are going to be individuals that 708 00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:58,960 need permanent housing. So on the top 30 709 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,800 maybe 50 maybe 60 units things to that 710 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,200 effect. Just one appropriate size per 711 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,119 support housing project in Davis County 712 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,520 is something that we are hoping to have 713 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,150 as soon as possible. 714 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,599 » I think we're approaching it the right 715 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,000 way. I really do. 716 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,920 >> Absolutely. That's why I'm saying well 717 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,760 we want because we believe that sure 718 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,200 shelters they have the groups. They 719 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,800 really do. I mean, in fact, safe harbor 720 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,280 is a fantastic community partner that we 721 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,599 have, but we don't want to work upstream 722 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:29,119 of this, right? Because in the end, 723 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:30,880 while there's so many different nuances 724 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,640 and solutions that we could try to deal 725 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,480 to addressing homelessness, what is it 726 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,880 all about? Housing, housing, housing, but the right housing. 727 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,160 We're not going to throw spaghetti at 728 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,760 the wall and see what sticks. We see 729 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,040 what person supported housing can do, 730 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,880 especially for those who have chronic uh 731 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,160 who are chronically homeless, people 732 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,480 that require a lot more deeper need and 733 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,320 saying instead of just putting people in 734 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,400 disconnected units just across counties 735 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,839 and trying to connect, let's bring the 736 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:55,200 services and everyone under together 737 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,200 under the same roof and that is what is 738 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,960 going to bring con consistency and 739 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,240 stability and in the end 740 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,640 self-sufficiency and long-term um and 741 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,720 long terms. Yeah. 742 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,240 >> Great. Appreciate it. 743 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:13,510 >> Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. 744 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,440 Okay. Next, we need to approve our 745 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,240 consent agenda consisting of March 10th, 746 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:23,280 2026 minutes, March 24th, 2026 minutes, 747 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,680 March checks, and February's budget to 748 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,960 actual counselor. Is there any changes 749 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,480 or discussion to any of these items? If 750 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,040 not, we'll ask for a motion to approve 751 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,349 them. 752 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,000 to approve the consent agenda. 753 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,190 Seconded. 754 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,880 » Excuse me. We have a motion and a 755 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,119 second. Councilman Albertson. All in 756 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:53,670 favor say I. 757 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,520 » Next item. Ordinance 2026-05 758 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,480 zone change of 1.45 acres at 759 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,160 approximately 1121 East Lester Street. 760 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,280 some agriculture to residential low 761 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,040 density 762 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,119 council. Do you have any discussion on 763 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:16,950 this item? 764 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,800 I I think it's a great idea. And maybe 765 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,599 just for Lance, 766 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,640 I mean, I know we have Are they able to 767 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,640 split that into two lots without having 768 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,640 to do a 769 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,160 like one of our private roads or a 770 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,920 >> They will they will have to extend the 771 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,079 culde-sac and make it 772 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:37,119 >> um Oh, okay. 773 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,079 >> kind of mirror what's on the north side, 774 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,079 right? Yeah. The north side. Uh it'll be 775 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:43,520 a shorter culde-sac, but it'll have to 776 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,160 have that culde-sac, 777 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,599 >> but they are putting a culde-sac in 778 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:46,079 there. 779 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:46,320 >> Yeah. 780 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,760 >> Okay. That's that was my 781 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,440 >> We looked at previously there were a lot 782 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,520 of uh people who came in were looking at 783 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,760 property doing four or five homes and 784 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,960 they just couldn't make it 785 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,560 >> and that's why I was wondering how that 786 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,599 >> Yeah. But this this two is very doable. 787 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,359 >> Okay. 788 00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:07,349 We'll look for a motion then. 789 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:08,560 Mayor, I make a motion to approve 790 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,960 ordinance 2026-05 791 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,280 zone change of 1.45 acres at 792 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,520 approximately 1121 East Luster Drive 793 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,079 from agriculture to residential bow 794 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:18,800 density. 795 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,079 >> Seconded. 796 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:21,760 >> Okay, we have a motion second by 797 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,839 Councilman Davis. We'll do a roll call 798 00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:25,760 starting with Councilman Windsor. 799 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,280 >> I I 800 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,119 >> I. 801 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,359 >> Great. Motion carries. 802 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:34,400 >> Appreciate it. Thank you. 803 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,040 Next item, resolution 804 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,640 26-09, 805 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,520 amending the consolidated fee schedule, 806 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,000 chapter 7, impact fee five, sewer. Any 807 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:54,150 discussion on this resolution? 808 00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:02,790 Not someone like to make a motion. 809 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,400 Mayor, I make a motion to approve 810 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,880 resolution 26-09 amending the 811 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,040 consolidated fees schedule chapter 7 812 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,240 impact fees. 813 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:11,839 >> Seconded. 814 00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:13,599 >> Motion a second by Councilman 815 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,160 Habersonson. We'll do a roll call vote 816 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,920 starting with Councilman Habersonson. 817 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,720 >> I 818 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,359 motion carries. 819 00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:29,200 Thank you. Next one. Next item. 820 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,839 uh direction on the construction project 821 00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:34,160 at 7375 822 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,319 South and 125 East. Dave, I assume 823 00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:39,520 you're going to lead us in that 824 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,920 discussion. 825 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,438 Yes, 826 00:41:43,438 --> 00:41:45,280 [clears throat] 827 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,319 the packet gives a uh brief summary 828 00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:53,680 based on the retreat discussion and the 829 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,760 direction of staff to go and design the 830 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,440 project and see if we could get that 831 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,880 ready for bid. Uh we before we bid, we 832 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,480 wanted to bring that back to the council 833 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,119 and and have a discussion. 834 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,200 Staff's recommendation is to put this 835 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,079 project in the budget for fiscal year 836 00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:14,880 27. However, not bid it until next 837 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,119 spring. Uh the reason for that is 838 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:18,400 information that we've gathered since 839 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,560 the retreat in doing the design and 840 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,160 meeting with Davis County um 841 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,680 uh shows us that uh we have more 842 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,440 opportunity to provide receive potential 843 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,079 grant funding from the county. uh pursue 844 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:38,079 that as well as um look to rescope the 845 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,560 project by rerouting it and uh 846 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,800 potentially saving money by not having 847 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,200 to run the length of South Weber drive, 848 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,119 but those things are still kind of yet 849 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:48,800 to be determined of timeline and 850 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,119 whatnot. Um Brett has [clears throat] 851 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,880 done really good work through the budget 852 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,359 committee meetings to this point to put 853 00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:57,280 the entirety of the project in the 854 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,960 budget. Uh but that would be money that 855 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,200 we wouldn't have to spend if we're able 856 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,800 to uh just wait a year and bid it next 857 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,560 year. So that's the recommendation by 858 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,480 staff is put it in the budget for fiscal 859 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,960 year 27 so that we could then do that 860 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,414 project next year calendar year. 861 00:43:18,414 --> 00:43:18,480 [clears throat] 862 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,400 >> Um the time frame in which it's going to 863 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,839 be in next year's budget I think you 864 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:24,800 said b did it in April. Is it the whole 865 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,240 amount of the project going to be spent 866 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,640 in the fiscal year 27 budget and is it 867 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,040 required to put all that in the 2026 868 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,960 budget? 869 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,119 >> The answer to that is no. It would not 870 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:39,520 all be spent in fiscal year 27 at this 871 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,440 point. Determining how much of the 872 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,680 project would be in fiscal year 27 873 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,560 versus uh need to be in fiscal year 28. 874 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:54,230 We just don't have those details yet. 875 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,760 So, 876 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,640 I guess I just [clears throat] don't 877 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,880 understand. Um, if we don't really have 878 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,400 all the details for the project, if we 879 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,680 don't even know really if we're going to 880 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,440 get a grant for it, there's changes that 881 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,440 could be made, uh, everything that we 882 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,520 just learned, um, why aren't we just 883 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,280 handling that as an amendment? We'd have 884 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,240 the funds still at that same time during 885 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,920 the 27, but then we'd actually be able 886 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,000 to see what we're voting yes for, how 887 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,240 much, what, why, how. 888 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:19,839 >> We're happy to do that as well. we 889 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:22,480 that's an option um and a process we 890 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,599 could utilize as well. Either one would 891 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,920 work. Is there an advantageous path 892 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,319 either way or is it six? 893 00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:35,040 >> Um Joel brings up a really important 894 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,440 point that simply a transparency aspect 895 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,240 of saying we know exactly how much we're 896 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,240 budgeting for the project based on the 897 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,079 updated information that we gather from 898 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,280 now through January, February next year 899 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,839 when we'd want to bid it out. we could 900 00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:53,440 bring a budget amendment back at that 901 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,440 point so that it would be more clear 902 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,720 what the total project cost is. Um for 903 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,920 ease, we could put in what we have now 904 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,560 knowing that we're not authorizing that 905 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,480 spend. We're just putting that money in 906 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,640 the budget. So e either one really 907 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,640 works. I I think there's pros and cons 908 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,319 to both, but it's from a clarity 909 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:15,760 standpoint, doing it as a budget 910 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,000 amendment makes sense from maybe an ease 911 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,280 standpoint. um it's already in the draft 912 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,800 budget, so we could just leave it like 913 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,520 that. But either way, we're good as 914 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,839 staff. 915 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:30,000 >> So, if I'm if I'm hearing recommendation 916 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,839 correctly, outside of what you just 917 00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:33,920 called out is the recommendation was to 918 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,599 postpone the project year because we 919 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,079 feel like there could be significant 920 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,079 changes from now until then that would 921 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,000 be advantageous for the city. Exactly. 922 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,480 >> Correct. 923 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:42,960 >> Yes. 924 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,280 >> But not a full year more. I mean a full 925 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,480 year yes is but our our budget year 926 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,400 doesn't start till July so we're really 927 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,560 post talking about postponing six months 928 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,520 right 929 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,200 >> but we're appropriating the funds for 930 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,760 the entire project just to be 931 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,230 appropriate sorry 932 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:03,920 I I agree with both I don't know that I 933 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,400 have a preference either way I would 934 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,040 like it I mean it 935 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,960 it's a it's a significant amount when 936 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,520 you look at the uh it's like the third 937 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,577 page of the budget report. I mean, 938 00:46:16,577 --> 00:46:18,240 [clears throat] it shows those dollars 939 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,400 and where they have to come from. 940 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,000 They're significant dollars out of the 941 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,240 funds as Wayne and I reviewed it in the 942 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,400 finance committee. I mean, it definitely 943 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,960 is a significant toll on the funds and 944 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,160 the mayor can attest to that. He was 945 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,640 there, too. it. So, it's I mean I 946 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,440 wouldn't mind if there was even an ear 947 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,040 tag somewhere in the budget so that we 948 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,960 see that those our funds we're 949 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,359 considering 950 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:46,560 for that for that budget year. But I I 951 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,480 mean I'm okay with it whether we budget 952 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,720 that amount or not. I still think the 953 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,599 project definitely needs to progress. I 954 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:55,200 like the fact that we're having Brandon 955 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,760 design it so that we can start that 956 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,599 process. 957 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:03,440 I like for the fact that it's fully appropriated in the budget because 958 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,200 then the funds can't be 959 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,200 >> reappropriated that now we don't have 960 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,040 any money once the project does go and 961 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:09,839 now we're have 962 00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:11,119 >> I I agree with that totally. 963 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:12,800 >> I'd rather have it there reserved not 964 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,040 spend it given the information that 965 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,760 comes forward or be able to spend it um 966 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,280 and have that flexibility. We don't have 967 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,200 to spend it if we get the grants but 968 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,839 having it there keeps it there and not 969 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:25,280 reappropriated something else that might 970 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,599 come up. 971 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:31,750 But one of those important 972 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,800 then I guess we might cancel 973 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,640 those clauses in the contract that we 974 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,680 can uh bid it in different schedules and 975 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:47,589 go that route. But yes, 976 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:48,960 » what would we like to do? 977 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,040 >> I like I like being appropriate. 978 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,960 >> I like that too. 979 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,520 So at least we know that that's that 980 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,160 amount is reserved for something like 981 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,430 that. 982 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,480 » You guys good with that? 983 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,160 >> I'm good with that. 984 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,960 >> Okay. 985 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,800 >> Anything else, Dave? 986 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,440 >> Is Is Brett good with that? 987 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,040 >> He has to find the money all the time. 988 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,160 He needs 989 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:23,680 >> I I can find the money. Um, no, it's it really is it's sixes either way. I do 990 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,760 like it being appropriated in there so 991 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,440 that like you have already mentioned the 992 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,920 that it shows the full amount of what 993 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,760 the project could be. Um, my thought is 994 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,920 the amount that we do have appropriated 995 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,440 is higher than what the project will be 996 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,520 and we can bring those numbers up when 997 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,200 it gets closer. we have better numbers, 998 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,599 a better idea of how the project is 999 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,400 going to go. But I I like having it in 1000 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,760 there. 1001 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,400 >> Just for total total transparency, the 1002 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,400 one fund, I believe it's the storm drain 1003 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,920 fund, is basically making a taking a 1004 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,920 loan from the other funds and it's about 1005 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,920 a 10-year payback period. 1006 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,119 >> Correct. 1007 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,440 >> That's that's the one 1008 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,520 I say negative, but the one thing people 1009 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,119 need to realize to make the project go 1010 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:12,640 their portion of it. They don't have the 1011 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,880 money right now, but those are impact 1012 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,079 fees that are going to reimburse it, 1013 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,359 right? Is it not correct? 1014 00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,760 >> Yeah. So, storm drain is basically short 1015 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,200 a million dollar of the $4.5 million 1016 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,760 total project cost and that's divided up 1017 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,319 over the different funds and their 1018 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:30,640 portions. But storm drain by itself is 1019 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,200 about a million dollar short. We don't 1020 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,000 have a specific number at this point of 1021 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,640 how much cost savings we could have by 1022 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,920 rerouting, but [clears throat] it could 1023 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,200 potentially wipe away that deficit by 1024 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,920 rerouting it. And and 1025 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,040 so that's uh that would perhaps take 1026 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,920 away the need to loan from storm future 1027 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,200 storm drain impact fees. 1028 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,119 >> Summarize the worst case scenario for 1029 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,319 the project is what's being 1030 00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:08,470 appropriated. Exactly. [clears throat] 1031 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,960 Ultimately, this decision will be made 1032 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,200 through the budget process with this was 1033 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,400 an action item. If the council wanted to 1034 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,359 bid the project and say yes, go bid it. 1035 00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,119 Then there's a conversation of do we 1036 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,119 need to amend our current budget or put 1037 00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:27,040 it into the fiscal year 27 budget. Um, 1038 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,440 with the delay, there's not an action 1039 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,640 needed on this item right now. Uh, the 1040 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,160 decision will be made through the budget 1041 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,559 process. 1042 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,400 >> Can I just quickly clarify that the the 1043 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,200 different funds that are paying for the 1044 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,119 project, that's what a lot of the the 1045 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:46,960 savings, the fund balance that is being 1046 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,720 used. Um, that's the intent of it is to 1047 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,520 go towards projects like this. Just so 1048 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,359 that you guys are aware that we're not 1049 00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:57,839 just spending fund balance just to spend 1050 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:00,720 it, but that's the intent of of the fund 1051 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,079 balance is to cover projects, bigger 1052 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,079 projects that we don't get enough 1053 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:11,109 revenue in in one year. 1054 00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:11,920 » Well said. 1055 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,750 >> Okay. Thank you, Brad. 1056 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,599 » Okay. you get the direction you need, 1057 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:18,079 Dave. 1058 00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,589 >> I think 1059 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,440 » yes, there was a majority of the council 1060 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,760 that said, "Leave it in the budget as is 1061 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,200 >> and bid it next January." 1062 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,359 >> And then bid it next January, February. 1063 00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:29,760 >> Yeah. 1064 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:30,000 >> Okay. 1065 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,839 >> With more information while we pursue 1066 00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:32,640 the grant. And 1067 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,160 >> sorry, I was misreading your facial 1068 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,359 expression. I thought maybe you were 1069 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:36,480 questioning what 1070 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:42,069 >> Sorry. No, I 1071 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,920 » the grant from the county. We should 1072 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,440 know 1073 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,119 like I think it's the end of September, 1074 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:48,240 isn't it? 1075 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,119 >> November. 1076 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:51,200 >> No, that's about November. Yeah. 1077 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,520 >> Yeah. It's when it's fall time frame 1078 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,480 there 1079 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,359 >> on that. Okay. Next item, discussion 1080 00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:02,400 item. Fiscal year 2027 budgets that 1081 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:10,309 >> we'll let you lead this you and Dave. 1082 00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:13,040 Um, 1083 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,640 I guess where what do you guys want to discuss? Really, 1084 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,040 as I mentioned earlier, a lot of this 1085 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,640 information is in that document. Um, 1086 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,960 provided there's a lot of different 1087 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,240 topics that we could cover. Um, I I want 1088 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,359 I was the hope was that you guys had 1089 00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:37,119 time to review this um, and that you 1090 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,200 come back with your your own specific 1091 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,319 questions. But I do want to point out um 1092 00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,760 between the retreat when we met in in 1093 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,960 February and the current budget that 1094 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,839 that's in there right now um that that 1095 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:55,520 difference I have it broken out in a 1096 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,520 percentage. I didn't really feel that 1097 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,160 the dollar amounts were were valuable in 1098 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,480 this sense. But you can see we worked 1099 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,079 very well with different departments and 1100 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,960 come up with a number to to show where 1101 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,040 the changes were going were from the 1102 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,920 retreat to now. And as you can see, a 1103 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,800 big portion of that is is the projects. 1104 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,280 The two big projects or andor equipment 1105 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,200 that we have this year is the 7375 1106 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,000 and also the purchase of the quint. 1107 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,920 That's where a big portion of of that is 1108 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,359 going and that's where a majority of the 1109 00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:33,359 changes from the retreat to now occur. 1110 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:36,079 Um in operation and m maintenance we did 1111 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:41,280 see a decrease. Um we we focused I 1112 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,520 worked with the departments very closely 1113 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,760 to try and figure out where we can can 1114 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,720 make cuts and or not necessarily make 1115 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:52,319 cuts but also look at where we can save 1116 00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:54,400 the city money. Are we spending too much 1117 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,200 in one area and and things like that? We 1118 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,480 went through it with the departments. 1119 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,280 Dave and I have gone over it. Um I've 1120 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,920 done a lot of research on the data. 1121 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,520 That's where it is. 1122 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,720 um salaries covers about 6% of the of 1123 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:12,079 the increase. Um bank charges were 1124 00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,640 actually surprisingly 1125 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,280 even though that's a 2% is is more than I was expecting but that's kind of 1126 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,839 where the numbers landed for that. Um 1127 00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:25,440 services is a little bit less than 1%. 1128 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,280 Um and like I said the operation 1129 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,920 maintenance is is a negative 4% at the 1130 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,990 moment. 1131 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,079 So you believe that the maintenance on 1132 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,040 the new public works building building 1133 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,880 is going to be less than what we were 1134 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,880 paying at the old one. 1135 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,280 >> Operation and maintenance is more than 1136 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,280 just 1137 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,440 the the maintenance. There's 1138 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,800 >> I know that's why I said maintenance 1139 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,160 instead of operation and maintenance 1140 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,599 >> overall their department. Yes. Between 1141 00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:59,280 all the other departments it decreased. 1142 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,920 Does that does that make sense? 1143 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,040 Um, 1144 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,319 >> all you did was just repeat the 1145 00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:05,280 statement, but I guess 1146 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,040 >> but it's it's it's this is I didn't want 1147 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,680 to go department by department for the 1148 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,440 fact that I wanted you guys to look at a 1149 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,480 city as a whole. Um, even though yes, 1150 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,640 the the public new public works building 1151 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,400 their operation and maintenance did 1152 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,520 increase but not at the same rate as the 1153 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,040 whole city decreased. 1154 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,040 It is it is just a slight decrease and 1155 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,960 if we had not done the public works 1156 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,200 building it would have been probably 1157 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,960 more drastic um percentage difference 1158 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,839 but um there's actually brought it up 1159 00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:47,520 quite a bit closer to that negative 4%. 1160 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,760 >> So any specifics on where we did the 1161 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,680 such large maintenance cuts? one one 1162 00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:01,839 place in particular was our internet service provider. 1163 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,240 Um there was a good chunk of change that 1164 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,720 we were paying every year. Um when 1165 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:10,400 connect came through um they offered the 1166 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,440 city a a proposal and a rate that we 1167 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,559 couldn't pass up on for the whole city 1168 00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:20,799 to switch over and we're working on that 1169 00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:23,040 as one of our projects with it to switch 1170 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:33,270 over um to be on connect fiber 1171 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,480 Rachel, 1172 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:35,520 >> no, you don't. 1173 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,559 >> I just didn't want to interrupt if you 1174 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,880 did. I think Okay. Um Brett, would you 1175 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,640 explain? We have a balanced budget put 1176 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,319 in here. Can you explain not just for 1177 00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:44,720 the council for the public? Correct. 1178 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:46,960 >> Yeah, that's probably where I I should 1179 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,680 have started. A balanced budget in 1180 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,400 essence is saying that our revenues 1181 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,040 equals our expenditures at the moment. 1182 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,520 Um 1183 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,720 >> well, my question, let me get to my 1184 00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,319 question because you might be going 1185 00:56:58,319 --> 00:56:59,760 someplace different. [laughter] 1186 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,160 The balance budget that you presented is 1187 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,640 based upon uh what change in the 1188 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,400 revenue? Are we just holding our 1189 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,400 property tax? Are we going to maintain 1190 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,119 the rate or what are we doing in regards 1191 00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,200 to making sure that the budget is stays 1192 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,880 balanced? 1193 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,720 >> There's 1194 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,680 in relation. So, the property tax is 1195 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,880 actually a a smaller portion of of the 1196 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,040 revenue that comes in through the city, 1197 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,440 but it it is a good portion because it 1198 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,599 impacts um the community at most. And 1199 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:34,880 so, the property tax at this moment is 1200 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,319 to is to increase the rate to where the 1201 00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:41,920 rate was uh two years ago, I believe, is 1202 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,559 where is where we're at. to increase the 1203 00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:46,960 rate, not just hold the rate, to 1204 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,559 increase the rate to where it was two 1205 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:52,079 years last year. It decreased 1206 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,880 and we felt that it was sufficient. It 1207 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,839 wasn't a a huge request and we did we 1208 00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,359 felt that it wasn't necessary to go 1209 00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:01,839 through truth and taxation to hold the 1210 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:04,400 rate. Um, and so this year we're looking 1211 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,079 at bringing that rate back up to where 1212 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,240 it was two years ago. 1213 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,079 That percent increase estimated is 1214 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,480 >> the the the dollar amount or the 1215 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,040 percentage 1216 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,000 >> percentage 1217 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,680 >> it was it was 1218 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,760 about 5% 1219 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,760 >> which is about $60,000 1220 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,240 >> correct? 1221 00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,150 >> Yeah. 1222 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,040 which I did some I did do some math and 1223 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,960 looking at it for the the average median 1224 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,640 home 1225 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,880 um it's around five I think it was 1226 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,160 around five 550 was the average median 1227 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,559 home size it was an increase of about 1228 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,829 $2.15 1229 00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:48,880 » per month 1230 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,119 >> a year 1231 00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:57,670 per year 1232 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,660 What Brett is saying is that 1233 00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:01,920 [clears throat] this budget includes the 1234 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,599 intent to go through the truth and 1235 00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:06,319 taxation process 1236 00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:09,920 to take our rate from the 1434, you 1237 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,119 know, 01434 1238 00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,839 to 0.1441, 1239 00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:19,920 which is where we were 2 years ago. 1240 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,839 That's a rate. And when the city 1241 00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:23,839 determines this is the rate that we're 1242 00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:27,119 trying to hold, then the estimated 1243 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,359 amount that we receive becomes an 1244 00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:31,280 estimate. Just I said estimated amount, 1245 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,440 it becomes an estimate. The other 1246 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,839 inverse of that is the city could say we 1247 00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,160 want to generate X dollar amount in 1248 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,720 property tax and the county would then 1249 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,640 back into a rate and tell us what the 1250 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,640 new rate would be to generate that 1251 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,000 amount of property tax. So the last few 1252 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,839 years we've talked about maintaining a 1253 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:52,480 certain rate or area of rate and then 1254 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,640 the we've had to estimate the amount of 1255 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,480 property tax that would come from that 1256 00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:02,710 rate. 1257 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,240 » Any questions? 1258 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:04,880 >> Say that. Joel, 1259 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,280 >> I said, do you guys have anything? No, I don't have any other questions on it 1260 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,280 other than if if everybody's okay with 1261 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,000 that last item because that's that's 1262 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400 kind of the main discussion item. 1263 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,720 I I was thinking we were holding the 1264 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,119 rate when we met in our last admin 1265 01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,040 finance committee. 1266 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,960 >> Um 1267 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,280 I didn't I hadn't thought about going 1268 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,000 back to the what we were two years ago 1269 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,880 cuz we let it deteriorate a year ago and 1270 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,200 drop down. 1271 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,720 I don't know where everybody else was on 1272 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,079 that same page. And I and I I was going 1273 01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:43,119 to maybe just ask Brett to and I know 1274 01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,280 it's a guess and I don't need you to do 1275 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,720 it tonight, but before the so that we 1276 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,012 can know what the amount would be in 1277 01:00:51,012 --> 01:00:52,960 [clears throat] your estimate if we just 1278 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,390 hold the rate 1279 01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,280 at what a current our current percentage 1280 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,240 rate. 1281 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,920 The difference between those two rates 1282 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,200 last year was about $6,000. It was not a 1283 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:07,920 big number. 1284 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,760 >> That's what I That's what you're asking. 1285 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,599 That's what I'm asking because I think 1286 01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:13,760 it might be a little more palatable. 1287 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,040 >> Yeah, that difference would be anywhere 1288 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,109 between5 to $6,000. 1289 01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:23,040 » We will still get more revenue. Correct. 1290 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,040 >> Most likely, unless the county tells us 1291 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,480 something different, 1292 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,960 >> but it would be holding the same rate. 1293 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:40,470 >> Yeah. 1294 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,480 I did not at all plan to uh raise the 1295 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,079 rate. Um and I'll let you know I I don't 1296 01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:51,680 support that at all right now. Um 1297 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:56,549 I wish 1298 01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,280 right I I I honestly don't know what to 1299 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,240 say. Um, 1300 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,880 I wish that we could have a project that 1301 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,720 actually looks at how much we're 1302 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,319 spending per capita. Um, because past 1303 01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:11,520 month and a half I've been running 1304 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,319 numbers and we're we're higher than 1305 01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:17,119 everybody. Whether it's the same type of 1306 01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:19,040 cities that we are, I mean, when you 1307 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,799 start getting into the ridiculous $686 1308 01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:26,400 per capita is the burden that we have on 1309 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,240 a $7.26 26 billion total general fund 1310 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,240 expenditures and that's what we're 1311 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,680 talking about right now. And I mean when 1312 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,920 we're looking at that and everybody else 1313 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,400 are I mean South Ogden they're half that 1314 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,839 you know Fruit Heights way below it. 1315 01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:48,559 West Point again half. I'm just saying 1316 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:50,880 that 1317 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,920 we've got to eventually 1318 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,920 stop taking money from the residents and 1319 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,240 say, "Okay, if this is the level of 1320 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:01,839 service you guys want, this is what we 1321 01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:04,640 need." I don't think we can do that as 1322 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,599 long as every single year we're giving 1323 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:11,119 another 5% to all salary. Um, I don't 1324 01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:12,799 think we can do that where we don't 1325 01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:15,680 really have a good capital budget. So, 1326 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:20,400 we're bonding for things. Um, I mean, 1327 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,400 just even looking at versus other cities 1328 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:23,599 and all of these different categories 1329 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,000 that we listed in there, we're way 1330 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,400 higher than everybody else there. 1331 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,079 There's nothing that I can find that we 1332 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,960 can go woohoo. We spent less money on I 1333 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,039 mean, we're we're ridiculously high even 1334 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,520 on parks right now compared to some of 1335 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:38,960 the other cities. And that we know is 1336 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,319 probably because we got more grass than 1337 01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:43,440 everybody else that is existing as our 1338 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,280 parks, not because of how much we're 1339 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,559 spending on them or the wreck. I just I 1340 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,280 wish we could take a look at it. 1341 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,200 And I know that's not part of the budget 1342 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,520 process. Budget process is just to see 1343 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,799 what we've talked about and agree to it. 1344 01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:00,400 And 1345 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,039 I just I wish that there was more. I'm 1346 01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:06,720 sorry. Um, we've got Parsons that will 1347 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,400 probably be shutting down or staying at 1348 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:13,920 the $75 to $50,000 instead of $375,000 1349 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,799 that they were at their peak in 21. 1350 01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:20,319 Usually averaging about $350,000. 1351 01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:23,039 That's gone. That's going away. 1352 01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:26,160 Um, we haven't seen as much as we'd like 1353 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,920 to out of General RV. And the 1354 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,000 indications is the market is still 1355 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,359 really, really slow on sales. 1356 01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:36,799 We're asking to give more people 1357 01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:40,480 full-time status with benefits, which 1358 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,799 sure that takes up part of this year, 1359 01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:46,799 but that also puts us on the hook for 1360 01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:48,720 the next 10 years. Somebody making 1361 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,039 65,000 here, we're talking about 1362 01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:53,359 literally a million plus dollars in 10 1363 01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:56,240 years of additional costs for the 1364 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,960 benefits for for the retirement. And 1365 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,760 it's it just gets to that point where I 1366 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,039 don't think we're looking far enough 1367 01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:06,240 ahead to be able to say, "Well, it's 1368 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,160 just it's just this amount." And I would 1369 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,240 love to have the time to be able to do 1370 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:11,359 that. I would love to have the 1371 01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:14,640 information to be able to do that. Um I 1372 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:18,079 mean, I've I've gone through and I've looked at so many different things 1373 01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:19,760 just trying to figure it out for a month 1374 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,079 and I just I I I think we have so many 1375 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,920 opportunities where we could say, 1376 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,200 "Here's what we need to do." And 1377 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,680 here is why we don't need to pay for the 1378 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,440 city of tomorrow, our buildout with the 1379 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,280 8,000 people that live here right now. 1380 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,680 They shouldn't be forced to pay for a 1381 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,640 full bout level of everything. Um 1382 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,799 I think we need to to really look at 1383 01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:51,920 some of these and say, okay, um we've 1384 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,440 got one of the best fire departments 1385 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,359 around. We've spent a lot of money to 1386 01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:58,480 make sure we have that That's 100% my 1387 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,520 top priority. I think that's great. 1388 01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,480 I don't know if having the highest level 1389 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:11,039 in any of these other categories really has that same level for me. 1390 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:12,160 >> Can I ask a question, Joel, 1391 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:12,640 >> please? 1392 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,799 >> What information are you referring to? I 1393 01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:16,720 don't know where you've collected this 1394 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,640 or is this like a report that's out for 1395 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:19,599 the 1396 01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:22,319 >> Well, it is. You can go to the state. Um 1397 01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:24,480 they have the all of the they have the 1398 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,760 listing of every single one of the 1399 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,119 budgets that have been coming out for 1400 01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,960 the past 101 15 years. Um and you can 1401 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,280 compare it with the simple formula is 1402 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,559 this is how much um population we have 1403 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,960 in our city. I know I have to use my 1404 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,960 hand. Sorry. Um this is the population 1405 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,680 we have in our city. This is the amount 1406 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,280 that we're going to spend this year 1407 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,760 according to our budget. 1408 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,720 this is how many people that relates to 1409 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,640 or the cost for each one of those 1410 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,559 people. Then you can also go in there 1411 01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:59,359 and say, okay, how much of that taxes is 1412 01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:01,280 residential 1413 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,160 property tax versus commercial? And 1414 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,200 we're we're ridiculously low. We all 1415 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,599 know that. But that means when we look 1416 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:13,039 at somebody like Riverdale for example, 1417 01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:17,200 um they have so much revenue coming in 1418 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,440 versus people that live there that 1419 01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,760 they're actually making money every 1420 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,079 year. That's somebody who's not mine. 1421 01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:27,839 So 1422 01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:29,359 those are the numbers that that we were 1423 01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:33,280 pulling from. And I would I would love 1424 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,079 to be able to say, "Okay, let's turn 1425 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:39,520 this over to the finance committee and 1426 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,280 how are we looking at what we're going 1427 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,599 to be in 10 years and how much we spend 1428 01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,799 now or stop the spending of now is going 1429 01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:49,760 to help us." We've got um different 1430 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,960 rates coming in for the uh not the 1431 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:58,240 retirement for the estate numbers. 1432 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,880 Sorry, I can't think right now. Um, 1433 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,920 anyways, it's going from what about a 1% 1434 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,280 to a 2.5, which isn't much when you 1435 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,640 consider how many employees we have, 1436 01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:09,839 full-time employees that we have with 1437 01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:11,839 that, but it's still a hundred extra 1438 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:15,760 thousand a year that as long as we just 1439 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,640 keep on spending on this one year, we're 1440 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,080 not really looking forward. And we've 1441 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,319 talked about that in capital projects, 1442 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,839 how we need to to put money aside for 1443 01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:27,759 it. [clears throat] 1444 01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:30,719 Excuse me. And I don't know I really 1445 01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:33,440 don't know what this 1446 01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,880 budget is if if we say okay that's it. 1447 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,960 This is the final budget really. I mean 1448 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,560 we'll be able to talk about it later. 1449 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,080 But 1450 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,960 we don't usually. 1451 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,120 And I mean, I know it's just Joel doing 1452 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,319 his crap again, but I I really wish that 1453 01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:52,080 we could 1454 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,000 have a a project or something that at 1455 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,000 least goes through and says, "Guys, this 1456 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,600 is this is what 1457 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,560 right now." Brandon's not here. I I'll 1458 01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,120 just go on and say it to everybody. 1459 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,799 We spend more money on engineering than 1460 01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:11,440 South Ogden. 1461 01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,040 Straight out. There's the numbers. It's 1462 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,920 in their budget. 1463 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,960 We're we're south Weieber. 1464 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,719 Maybe the contractor isn't the best way 1465 01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:22,799 or maybe it has been and we're not we're 1466 01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:24,799 about ready to run out of real property 1467 01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:26,560 that's going to be turning around. So, 1468 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,960 we're not even going to be getting um 1469 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,960 building permit. 1470 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,000 And as we just increase the number of 1471 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,520 people, 1472 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,359 we're not according to the numbers that 1473 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:40,080 we've pulled at least we have not been 1474 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,920 keeping with our number of people back 1475 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,719 10 year not even 10 I think it was in 21 1476 01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:48,400 uh in 21 we were pretty close to 1477 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,799 everybody else out there and then we 1478 01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:56,080 jumped up to where we left say 1479 01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,880 our city was paying per capita 1480 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,600 about let's say 18%. I can find the 1481 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,000 actual numbers. Um and we've left that 1482 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,000 and we've gone a different direction and 1483 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,320 most of that we haven't changed the 1484 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,880 services that we're giving to the city. 1485 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,440 It takes into account inflation already. 1486 01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:18,800 So that means most of it is headcount 1487 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,800 and projects. 1488 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,960 That's it. I don't think we're massively 1489 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,400 overloaded on headcount. 1490 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,679 Um, but even if we just add, and this is just the math, and like I said, 1491 01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:33,040 I can pass it around. I just don't think 1492 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,480 we're going to be able to do it tonight. 1493 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:42,080 Even if we just look at 5% raise to our 1494 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,040 32 full-time employees 1495 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,560 um 1496 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,600 every year and not looking at anything 1497 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,440 else, not looking at the big cost of 1498 01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:53,520 changes and we need to match what 1499 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,120 Riverdale is doing and all of this kind 1500 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,840 of stuff. um 1501 01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,760 we're we're spending beyond what really 1502 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,480 we can and I'm just worried that as we 1503 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:03,760 start hitting these different areas, 1504 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:04,880 we're not going to have the money to 1505 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,239 keep up with it. I appreciate you guys 1506 01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:09,760 letting me talk for so long and ramble 1507 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,480 on. So, thanks. 1508 01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,280 So, I if any of that means anything, I 1509 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,120 would just say I would like to see us 1510 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:22,640 come up with a formal strategy from the 1511 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,520 city council of what we want to spend 1512 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,000 the money on. Whether that's paying off 1513 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,280 debt, whether that's paying for um new 1514 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,440 parks and equipment, or whether it's for 1515 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:35,120 keeping our fire department the top of 1516 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,040 the top, I think we ought to come out 1517 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,560 with a strategy that's more than just 1518 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,080 one year. And I think our admin finance 1519 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,040 group is the best to do it. I just don't 1520 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,360 know if that's something that's feasible 1521 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:52,320 before budget comes to voting on. So, 1522 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,719 but I would like it. Anyone have any 1523 01:11:54,719 --> 01:12:01,430 thoughts on my ramble? 1524 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:04,000 » Anyone? And you say they're rambles, but 1525 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,920 I I think you express some legitimate 1526 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,120 concern, Phil. I don't think it's 1527 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:13,199 anything that's out of place. I mean, I think I've had those concerns for a 1528 01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:15,760 long time as we sit here and we you go I 1529 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,520 go back 1530 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,000 n 10 years ago when I first got on 1531 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,719 counsel and you have the public up here 1532 01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:24,560 telling us 1533 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,080 they're willing to pay whatever property 1534 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,679 taxes can be. I mean, I I come from a 1535 01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:30,960 business background and I'm sitting here 1536 01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,239 going, "Okay, what does it take to run 1537 01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:34,159 this city for the next 30, 40, 50 1538 01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:38,480 years?" and it's bringing in revenue. 1539 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:40,000 But yet, I've had all this public sit up 1540 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,679 here and say, "Hell no." 1541 01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:46,080 So then that's how they have to pay for 1542 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:51,040 it. And I mean, it's been over and over. If we we suggest things, I 1543 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,560 mean, it's been don't do that in my 1544 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,040 city, do that somewhere else. Well, then 1545 01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,960 who pays for all this? But yet, they 1546 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,440 still want the same services. 1547 01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:04,000 And so, it's a fight. I agree with you. 1548 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,679 It's it's legitimate concerns. I don't 1549 01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:07,360 know how a lot of these little cities 1550 01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,239 continue financially cuz you're trying 1551 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:11,840 to give them the same services with the 1552 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,040 with a city that's 10 times the size of 1553 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,120 us and that's what people are expecting. 1554 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,120 One of the cities I looked at is White 1555 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:24,159 City. It's down in literally in the 1556 01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:27,520 middle of Sandy. Um, so it was kind of 1557 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,360 an interesting comparison of a small 1558 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:36,400 basically residential city surrounded by 1559 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,040 metropolises. They've got no chance for 1560 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,800 getting any more commercial. And because 1561 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,159 of that, they've had to keep their 1562 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,280 budgets very low. Um, I 1563 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:48,960 >> think they're about to get swallowed up. 1564 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,880 >> I think so, too. But I've been thinking 1565 01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,880 that since I was 12 and lived right near 1566 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,640 there. Um, so I don't know what the 1567 01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,239 answer is. And that's what I'm trying to 1568 01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,760 say is that I just feel like the last 1569 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,199 four or five years when I've done the 1570 01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:06,640 budget, I've always wanted to do more. 1571 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,320 And I I think we've made some 1572 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,760 improvements. I'm not saying you guys 1573 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,440 haven't. You guys have done a fantastic 1574 01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:13,600 job, 1575 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,640 but I just don't think that we've done a 1576 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,840 good enough job as a council giving the 1577 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,120 strategy of what we feel is best. 1578 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,960 and then 1579 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,080 doing it. I mean, Angie, even you told 1580 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,960 me one time, there's never a right time 1581 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,360 to raise. 1582 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,640 And I agree, there really isn't. But I 1583 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,560 don't I don't think we're heading to the 1584 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,120 best of times coming ahead of us. And 1585 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,040 yet, we're spending like we are instead 1586 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,360 of saving some. So, and maybe that's it. 1587 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:52,709 We save some. But anyway, sorry. 1588 01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:54,640 Joe makes some points and I'm not 1589 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,760 debating the right or wrong. So that's a cost per capita is a metrics but 1590 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,840 there's so many qualitative aspects 1591 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,679 behind that that we have to also sift 1592 01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:05,040 through to understand what does that 1593 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,520 really mean uh cost of service what's 1594 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,520 that service the level of service not so 1595 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,120 much where the revenue is coming from so 1596 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,520 I it's combination of what both you and 1597 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,199 Blair are talking about I don't think 1598 01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:16,640 it's something that we could come up 1599 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,560 with a magical answer before the 1600 01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,159 budget's going to be presented in May 1601 01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:24,560 and something look at regards to you 1602 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,102 mentioned a project I know if it's a 1603 01:15:26,102 --> 01:15:27,280 [clears throat] project that Blair and I 1604 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,280 can eft. Although Blair's got some 1605 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,719 pretty good shoulders down there. 1606 01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:36,239 >> Um, joking aside, I mean, yeah, we're 1607 01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:38,560 dealing with people's money and we're 1608 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,560 trying to make the best fiduciary 1609 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,719 decisions for the benefit of not today, 1610 01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:45,360 not just only today's, but the forward. 1611 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,159 I'm not saying we're investing in our in 1612 01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,320 our future, but we have to do some of 1613 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,800 that with all with regards to today's 1614 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,920 requirements as well. 1615 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:56,640 So 1616 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,800 >> yeah, I I understand things will go up 1617 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,640 with smaller communities. You get you 1618 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,640 put another 100,000 people in a 1619 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,000 community and obviously the cost per 1620 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,480 person, it's going to go down. Compare 1621 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,080 city to city. What's the different 1622 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,920 demographics? I have to deal with Sandy 1623 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,560 City, but they have contracts with Sandy 1624 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:13,840 City that doesn't cost them very much, 1625 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,199 but they get the service. So it's kind 1626 01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:17,360 of like, yeah, they're cost because they 1627 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,960 can't. So there's I guess what I'm 1628 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,960 saying is yeah it's a metrics but we 1629 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,719 also need to put a little you know 1630 01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:26,480 asterisk next to that is what is that 1631 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:29,360 really telling us points taken you know 1632 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,280 we're increasing so what does that mean 1633 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,000 and what take a look at it 1634 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,000 >> well and there's three different um city 1635 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:43,280 level um or municipal I should say um 1636 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,800 budgeting 1637 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:49,280 uh numbers to look at um Capita is one 1638 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,360 and again that's like like you said it's 1639 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,440 a very high level on it but there's two 1640 01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,760 others that between the three of them it 1641 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,239 really paints you a good picture of what 1642 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,000 you're spending and whether you're 1643 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,440 spending on bloat which means you're 1644 01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:06,960 just paying too high for services or if 1645 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,480 there's some type of economies that 1646 01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:10,080 could be cut like you said by cutting 1647 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,600 down maintenance costs. Um, I mean, I 1648 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:14,880 don't know if we could even come up with 1649 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,560 enough of a strategy to look at it and 1650 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,719 say, "Okay, um, when we're on the I 1651 01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:24,000 think on the list was two or three new 1652 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,320 full-time employees." 1653 01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:27,360 Two. 1654 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:28,960 >> There's no new full-time employees in 1655 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:29,440 this 1656 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,199 >> just adding them to the retirement, 1657 01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:33,040 right? That was the one that was on 1658 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:33,360 there. 1659 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,440 >> We're just putting them on salary. 1660 01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:38,400 >> It was just changing from hourly rate to 1661 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,199 salary. 1662 01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:40,560 >> Oh, okay. So, we're not putting them on 1663 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:41,840 the Utah retirement system. 1664 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,840 >> No, they're already 1665 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:44,800 Okay. 1666 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,960 >> So, they're one of the Okay. 1667 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,320 >> Um, but that's kind of something that we 1668 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,320 would be looking at. How many how much 1669 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,400 percentage wise versus all of these 1670 01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,000 other cities, big or small, are we on 1671 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,800 par with? And while I don't think any 1672 01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,199 one number gives you a direct, you know, 1673 01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:07,520 hey, we're we're really high, I do think 1674 01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,520 that a story is pretty quickly unfolding 1675 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,120 as you do this. Um, and I don't know, 1676 01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,600 maybe this is something that that Brett 1677 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,280 can work on, but I know that he's also 1678 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,040 extremely busy. So, um, I don't know. I 1679 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,600 don't know where to go with it. I just I 1680 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,760 know that I I don't want to do another 1681 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,360 tax increase and um I want to do some 1682 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:30,800 more looking forward on the next one at 1683 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,910 least, I guess. So, 1684 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,280 » thank you. 1685 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,320 >> Okay. Any more direction from anyone? 1686 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,719 >> Mayor, there are a couple of items that 1687 01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:44,800 um we need to point out that are in the 1688 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,719 draft budget right now. Okay. 1689 01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:49,040 >> Um, [clears throat] 1690 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,199 one of the one of the items that is in 1691 01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:52,560 there that went through the recreation 1692 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,520 committee is switching our software for 1693 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,199 registrations 1694 01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:59,280 uh from a company called sports sites to 1695 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,600 a company called sportsmen. Um, right 1696 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,320 now our sports sites uh software is for 1697 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,400 registrations. We also have a separate 1698 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,600 software called gym assistance for our 1699 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,880 memberships. And uh we've done some 1700 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,920 research and looked at options to um 1701 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,560 enhance that service uh by switching to 1702 01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,400 sportsmen. There is uh an annual cost 1703 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,960 difference there ongoing as well as a 1704 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,840 one-time uh implementation cost that is 1705 01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,560 currently in the draft budget. But but 1706 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,120 what I want to bring up is the idea that 1707 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,199 um our current contract goes through the 1708 01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,679 end of June 30th. In order to be able to 1709 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:41,920 go live with the new software July 1, we 1710 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,840 would need to be signing an agreement 1711 01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,679 and starting that transition process 1712 01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:48,080 over the next two months. So if the 1713 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,400 council's okay with leaving that in as 1714 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,800 it is, I would take that as a signal 1715 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,199 that we could sign that agreement and 1716 01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:57,360 start that transition. So, we did not 1717 01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,840 want to sign anything until the council 1718 01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,560 had officially had a chance to to see 1719 01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,880 that. I know it's not officially adopted 1720 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,040 in the budget until the end of June, but 1721 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,760 that timing doesn't work out for the way 1722 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,199 that sports sites transitions. And so, I 1723 01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:14,960 wanted to bring that up as as something 1724 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,600 that you could look at and at least I'm 1725 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:18,800 just going to jump right in. There's 1726 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,480 money in the budget if you go with one 1727 01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:22,239 or the other, right? It doesn't matter. 1728 01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:23,520 you were going to if you weren't having 1729 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,199 this debate about who you still would 1730 01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,480 have had money in the budget to cover 1731 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:27,040 it. 1732 01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,640 >> So actually have signed an agreement 1733 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,560 that's an administrative aspect as long 1734 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,320 as there's money in there to cover it. 1735 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,640 >> But there there's not money to cover our 1736 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,480 current budget. So it either requires a 1737 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:39,199 budget amendment or it requires having 1738 01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:41,840 that money in the budget for next year. 1739 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,679 So it's currently in the budget for next 1740 01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:45,600 year to transition July 1. 1741 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,320 >> Yeah. But I don't want to sign that 1742 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,400 agreement and start the transition until 1743 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,960 it is budgeted and appropriated by the 1744 01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,199 council. So I would essentially be 1745 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:56,960 signing the agreement administratively 1746 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,199 to start making that change with the 1747 01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:02,159 understanding that recognizing the draft 1748 01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:04,159 budget includes it and I would take that 1749 01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,000 as authorization from the council that 1750 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,080 it would be budgeted for July 1. So I 1751 01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:09,760 would not be overstepping. 1752 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,840 >> For the record, we're talking how many 1753 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,880 dollars for the new contract? 1754 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,880 The difference is what rep? 1755 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:21,440 >> So the the one time to switch was 25 and 1756 01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:22,239 then the ongoing 1757 01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:23,360 >> $2500 1758 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,679 >> and the total was five but the 1759 01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:27,600 difference from what we're currently 1760 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,520 paying to to the five is about $1,300. 1761 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,560 >> So ongoing $1,300 a year implementation 1762 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,880 $2500. Again, it's within my budget 1763 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,199 ability to sign that contract and move 1764 01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:41,120 forward if it's budgeted. Well, it's 1765 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,880 technically not budgeted now. So that's 1766 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,719 why I bring it forward as a 1767 01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:46,320 >> I think it's planned to be budgeted. So 1768 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:47,760 I I don't have a problem with it. I 1769 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,719 don't either. 1770 01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:49,840 >> Okay. 1771 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,520 >> Uh another item is 1772 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,360 we have the last few years used 1773 01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,639 recreation fund balance to supplement 1774 01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:01,600 the loss of the gravel pit funds that uh 1775 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:06,880 that Joel brought up uh previously that revenue stream has decreased. Well, 1776 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,440 at the current rate, uh, we basically 1777 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:11,600 can do that one more year. This fiscal 1778 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,960 year 27 covers it this year, but after 1779 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,360 that, it is not an option anymore. And 1780 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,520 so, I want to bring that to the 1781 01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,440 council's attention. The rec committee 1782 01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:23,520 has been talking about that for a few 1783 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,920 years now um, as a as a looming issue 1784 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,199 and trying to tackle that. But, uh, 1785 01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:32,960 again, just pointing that out in our 1786 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,520 current uh, draft budget as it stands. 1787 01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,000 Another 1788 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,000 item is uh we just in the budget we have 1789 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,360 $15,000 for a server upgrade. We just 1790 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,000 got the quote back. Um the 1791 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,679 recommendation is to do the server 1792 01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:52,960 upgrade and a firewall upgrade which 1793 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,159 totals 30,000. The server would be 20 by 1794 01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,440 itself. The firewall would be 10,000. 1795 01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:03,040 So, uh, if the council's okay with that, 1796 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,840 we would recommend before our next, uh, 1797 01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,560 draft budget discussion to increase that 1798 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,080 line item from 15,000 to 30,000. 1799 01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,600 Questions or concerns about that 1800 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,920 specific item? 1801 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,520 >> What's getting cut to be able to balance 1802 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,709 that budget? 1803 01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:26,159 » That's within the capital projects as a project, not an ongoing cost. So it 1804 01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,560 would just be a a fund balance item from 1805 01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,639 15 to 30. 1806 01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:32,320 >> The capital reserves are going to go 1807 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:33,040 down. 1808 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,920 >> Yes. 1809 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,520 >> Again, only if the council's okay with 1810 01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,920 it, right? It's it's it's all in draft 1811 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,960 status right now. 1812 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,400 >> In relation to the capital, we have 1813 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:47,920 increased 1814 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,320 um the re the sales tax revenue going 1815 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,440 into capital um from last year to this 1816 01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:55,760 year. I know we've been working on a on 1817 01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,120 a upward increase to upward amount to 1818 01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:00,880 increase what we put into capital from 1819 01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:05,120 sales tax. Um last year it was at 200. 1820 01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,639 This current year we're at 217 and next 1821 01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:12,960 year we we plan to increase that to 230. 1822 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,120 We are working on increasing the amount 1823 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,840 that we put in to the capital and and 1824 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,040 putting that into reserves not just for 1825 01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,840 the current year's capital projects but 1826 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,000 for future capital years projects that 1827 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,800 we plan on doing. 1828 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,960 We we've discussed in admin financer 1829 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,199 getting it to 250 1830 01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:35,840 and trying to maintain as I mean 1831 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:41,360 >> 25 yeah and when we originally set that 1832 01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,960 was 150 and then went to 200 and then 1833 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,120 but it didn't have anything to implement 1834 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:48,880 that it should increase based on the 1835 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,400 same percentage that everything else is 1836 01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,400 increasing. So that's one of the 1837 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,280 discussions we need to have is as admin 1838 01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:56,400 finance and come back with a 1839 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:57,760 recommendation is how does that 1840 01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,600 increase. so that it so that that 1841 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,199 capital 1842 01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,040 fund can still keep up with everything 1843 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:04,480 that's going on. Before we didn't have 1844 01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:06,719 that, there was no money going into 1845 01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:10,239 those funds and it was it was a problem. 1846 01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:12,000 But it needs to increase from what it is 1847 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,679 so that some of these things like that 1848 01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:16,400 road project aren't so painful. 1849 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,639 >> When we came out of the budget retreat, 1850 01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:21,840 the intent was to do 250,000. 1851 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,239 Um after going through all of the 1852 01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:25,760 committee meetings and the discussions 1853 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,719 there, two major things that came out of 1854 01:25:28,719 --> 01:25:30,639 that based on kind of the market study 1855 01:25:30,639 --> 01:25:32,320 discussion and and the all the other 1856 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:36,880 committees was to remove the 30,000 that 1857 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,199 we had said for code enforcement 1858 01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:42,400 changes. Um and and that's part of 1859 01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,960 getting that to the 217. 1860 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,120 So the current budget includes all of 1861 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,520 the market study. It does not include a 1862 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,639 new code enforcement officer. Um, and 1863 01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:56,320 instead of 250 of sales tax, it's 217 of 1864 01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,040 sales tax going into capital project. 1865 01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,040 >> 230 1866 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:06,080 217 fiscal year 26 230 going to 1867 01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:14,550 >> Yes, I did not make that clear. 1868 01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,880 And and one final one final thing to 1869 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,440 point out uh again information that came 1870 01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:22,080 after the budget uh draft was put out 1871 01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,239 and published last week. We got 1872 01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:26,560 information from Central Weber Sewer 1873 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,679 Improvement District about uh an intent 1874 01:26:29,679 --> 01:26:34,719 for them to increase their fee by 8%. 1875 01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:37,199 In the past, the council has said that 1876 01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,840 is a pass through fee. It's not our fee 1877 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,040 to to determine. And so, uh, if the 1878 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,120 council continues with that philosophy, 1879 01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,280 then our sewer our sewer monthly utility 1880 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,199 be fee, um, their portion only would go 1881 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,440 up 8%. We haven't calculated what that 1882 01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:58,639 would be as a total fee increase uh for 1883 01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:02,639 the city's monthly utility bill uh sewer 1884 01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:06,239 fee, but their fee would be an 8% 1885 01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:08,800 increase. So, philosophically, would you 1886 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,679 want us to look at maybe eating some of 1887 01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:13,760 that or just passing that through 1888 01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:17,830 because it's not our fee? 1889 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,480 I say pass it through because we are 1890 01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:23,520 already eroding those funds for the 1891 01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,440 other project. It's not our fee. It 1892 01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:29,199 >> it is just shy of $2. Um 1893 01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:30,080 >> fairly 1894 01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,280 >> it's Yeah, it's right now our current 1895 01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,719 rate on that is $2362 1896 01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:39,710 and I believe it will go up to 25. 1897 01:27:39,710 --> 01:27:40,000 [sighs] 1898 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,159 >> So Rod, what are the Central Weavers 1899 01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:44,080 Sewer Improvement District's increased 1900 01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,840 costs? What? Why? Why are they always 1901 01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:46,960 coming back for more and more money? 1902 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,320 They got capital projects or 1903 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,040 >> so this they've got a they've got one 1904 01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,159 that's eating them alive right now. 1905 01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:56,239 Uh 1906 01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:58,239 but this 8% that they're going to raise 1907 01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:01,920 it last year. It was supposed to go into 1908 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,040 effect last year and uh I don't think 1909 01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,040 they did things exactly the way they 1910 01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,400 should and the state turned them down 1911 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,639 and said you can't do it. So they're 1912 01:28:10,639 --> 01:28:12,320 doing it this year rather than last 1913 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,920 year. 1914 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,920 uh I believe it was 3 years ago that 1915 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,600 they uh maybe four that uh because of 1916 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,600 the increases 1917 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,840 uh in inflation and everything else 1918 01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,600 like everybody else suffers with, they 1919 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,600 needed to put a 1920 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,159 24% 1921 01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,800 increase and they didn't want to throw 1922 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,920 it all in one year. And so the committee 1923 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,080 met and decided that they would do it in 1924 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,360 three-year increments of 8% each year. 1925 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:53,760 This 8% increase here is is the last of 1926 01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,920 the three increases that they're going 1927 01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,480 to be having. But 1928 01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:01,280 they're like everything everybody else 1929 01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,719 growth. You know, they just finished a 1930 01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:08,639 82 million dollar project out there to 1931 01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:11,920 upsize the plant and to go from 1932 01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,239 chlorination to 1933 01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:16,159 ultravided 1934 01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:20,400 and uh and then also enlarge the plant. 1935 01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,800 They're doing a project right now, the 1936 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,520 one that's really come back to bite 1937 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,960 them. Uh they they've got to rem replace 1938 01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,639 a main there on 1900 West and they 1939 01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:34,960 started at Midland and I think it runs 1940 01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,679 to 12th Street and they're fighting 1941 01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:43,520 they've had problems with Verizon 1942 01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:48,092 uh with their rightway and and U DOT is 1943 01:29:48,092 --> 01:29:49,679 [snorts] 1944 01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:53,679 not been good at all. It's cost the 1945 01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:56,800 district a lot of money because of UD do 1946 01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,520 and uh anyway they've just got all of 1947 01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,320 these big projects that are coming down 1948 01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:06,719 the line. They uh 1949 01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:11,679 but anyway that's what that 8% is 1950 01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:14,080 >> the rehabilitation of existing capital 1951 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:15,760 that's taking a big chunk of this and 1952 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:16,960 then they're also planning for some 1953 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,239 future growth. 1954 01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:24,709 >> Yeah. 1955 01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:25,440 Okay, 1956 01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:27,360 >> I pass through with Angie. Just pass 1957 01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:27,600 through. [clears throat] 1958 01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,280 >> Yeah, I think pass through is going to 1959 01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,639 be the best. I think that's what we've 1960 01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:32,960 done before. 1961 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,990 >> Okay. 1962 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,639 As a as a final item from me as far as 1963 01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:42,639 budget process goes, um 1964 01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:46,159 a tenative budget will will go before 1965 01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:50,639 the council for adoption May 12th. Uh we 1966 01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:53,280 have scheduled in two weeks another 1967 01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,679 budget discussion item. So essentially 1968 01:30:55,679 --> 01:30:57,840 any feedback from tonight, any requested 1969 01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,679 changes or whatnot, we're going to be 1970 01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:03,280 worked on and put uh into a second draft 1971 01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:04,960 so that we can review that and look at 1972 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,320 that in two weeks. And then um we'd have 1973 01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:11,199 two weeks from that budget discussion to 1974 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:12,880 have a tenative budget ready for 1975 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,760 adoption May 12th followed by a public 1976 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,560 hearing on that tenative budget so that 1977 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,320 the community could look at it, public 1978 01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,480 could see that, provide any comments and 1979 01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:25,520 feedback uh end of May and then in June 1980 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,239 the final budget would be adopted. So, 1981 01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:31,679 um, we're in a we're coming to the final 1982 01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:34,239 stages here, but also, like I said, it 1983 01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:36,560 is in draft format and and now's the 1984 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,639 time to be discussing changes as desired 1985 01:31:38,639 --> 01:31:40,000 by the council. 1986 01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,560 >> Mayor, may I I I not make a motion, but 1987 01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,560 I propose that the staff be directed to 1988 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,440 come back with a a draft budget holding 1989 01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:51,120 the rate and a draft budget that they 1990 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,840 proposed of re reestablishing the rate 1991 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,639 of two years ago. I'm interested to see 1992 01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:58,400 if you're holding the rate, what has to 1993 01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,320 be cut or where are you changing to, you 1994 01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,199 know, save $60,000. Where's that coming 1995 01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:05,760 from? And that way we can take those two 1996 01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,000 pieces of information and we adapt then 1997 01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,360 we can adapt one or the other based upon 1998 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,280 the information you bring forward. That 1999 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,910 would be my recommendation. 2000 01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:16,719 » I would agree with that. 2001 01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:18,159 >> I think that's kind of what Blair was 2002 01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:18,560 saying. 2003 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,760 >> Yeah. And and it's only5 or $6,000. So, 2004 01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,000 I'm hoping we can find that without 2005 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,360 taking with what we're putting into the 2006 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:31,110 capital. 2007 01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,000 Okay. 2008 01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,920 New business. Every Anyone have any new 2009 01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:41,590 business they'd like to discuss? 2010 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,280 Anything come out of your committees 2011 01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,239 that you'd like to discuss? Wayne? 2012 01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:49,199 >> Yeah. We um we had a meeting the other 2013 01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:52,960 day with the uh gravel pits and um we 2014 01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,040 enlightened them on the Utah State 2015 01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:56,560 University 2016 01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:01,280 uh study which they uh are now taking a 2017 01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:02,719 deeper look at. We actually provided 2018 01:33:02,719 --> 01:33:05,840 them the uh actual report and uh we're 2019 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:06,960 going to have further dialogue with them 2020 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,120 at our next meeting as to what our next 2021 01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:12,950 steps as. 2022 01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,120 without saying anything more than that. 2023 01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,159 Um, we did ask what their plans were 2024 01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:20,719 given the water year we're having, the 2025 01:33:20,719 --> 01:33:23,440 lowest on history, April 1st, lowest on 2026 01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:25,920 history. They indicated they both have 2027 01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,400 their own water rate wells and that's 2028 01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:32,080 where most of their uh 2029 01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,320 water 2030 01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:37,280 comes from. Um they are concerned not 2031 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:38,880 concerned but they did question when the 2032 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,320 irrigation companies are turning their 2033 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:41,679 water because that's what waters the 2034 01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:46,159 embankment or the grassy areas so 2035 01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:47,920 you might see that turn a little brown 2036 01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:51,199 is my suspicion but uh the indication 2037 01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:53,040 was still not putting enough water down 2038 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,520 the dust is still happening u despite 2039 01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:57,920 our questioning we asked what what is 2040 01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,600 your backup and they don't have a backup 2041 01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,679 plan so um I think we need to have some 2042 01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:05,600 further dialogue with our state 2043 01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,800 representatives and the environmental um 2044 01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:10,800 environmental services 2045 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,800 as they should and uh they're not 2046 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:16,080 willing to go anywhere else. Um the they 2047 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:17,120 don't think they need to go anywhere 2048 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:19,520 else even though the the material still 2049 01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,120 becomes airborne. So um other dialogue 2050 01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,480 is going to have to go at a higher level 2051 01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,520 to you know force some sort of change. 2052 01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,239 It's not happening. They are doing um 2053 01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:32,159 they aren't ignoring the issue. I'm not 2054 01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:33,199 saying they're not sitting on their 2055 01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:35,040 hands and doing nothing. They're doing 2056 01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,440 what they can with what they have. But 2057 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:38,880 obviously the material that they have on 2058 01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,280 site right now does not hold the water 2059 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,120 and dries out really quickly with the 2060 01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,600 wind. So unless we can stop the wind, 2061 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,159 which in my solution was put a put a 2062 01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:49,440 little wall up in front of those stock 2063 01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:52,000 piles and force the wind around it, 2064 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:56,000 they're not willing to do that. And 2065 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,760 >> did you did you meet with both 2066 01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:58,400 companies? 2067 01:34:58,400 --> 01:34:58,880 >> Yep. 2068 01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:00,000 >> Okay. Very good. 2069 01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,520 >> Yep. There hasn't always been. That's 2070 01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:02,719 why I'm asking 2071 01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:04,639 >> both of them equally. Um, talking to 2072 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:06,239 them both and if they can keep water on 2073 01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:07,920 it, it seems to be great. But the 2074 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,400 problem is you can't keep about an inch 2075 01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,480 of water or, you know, two to three 2076 01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:14,159 inches of water a month is what what it 2077 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:15,520 takes to keep that stuff from getting 2078 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,760 airborne. That's just a lot of water. 2079 01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:19,920 It's just not in their capability of 2080 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:21,490 doing so. It's got to be shielded 2081 01:35:21,490 --> 01:35:23,760 [clears throat] or sheltered, kept out 2082 01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,360 of the wind, and that's what they're 2083 01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:26,639 going to have to be compelled to do 2084 01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:27,840 because they're not willing to do it on 2085 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,040 their own. That's my report. I'm not 2086 01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:32,480 putting words in their mouth, but that's 2087 01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:35,280 just my report of what I get from them. 2088 01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:36,960 Um, 2089 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,400 think we had any other committee meets, 2090 01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:39,760 did we, mayor? 2091 01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:41,920 >> I think that's it. 2092 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,800 >> Oh, 2093 01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,639 yeah. We talked about the budget and you 2094 01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:48,159 guys got to hear that. So, I don't think 2095 01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:49,360 there's anything more we need to add on 2096 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:52,080 that one. So, that's my report. Thanks, 2097 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:53,120 >> Jeremy. You have any 2098 01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:53,920 >> nothing new? No, 2099 01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,400 >> Bill. Angie, 2100 01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,000 >> um just to kind of piggy back off of 2101 01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,840 what Wayne said, we did um have a small 2102 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:03,679 email discussion about watering in the 2103 01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:05,679 parks and how that might look different 2104 01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:08,159 this year, though our parks may not be 2105 01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:12,880 as illustrious as in previous years. 2106 01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,400 Um 2107 01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,320 and then 2108 01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:18,800 look for information coming forward on 2109 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,719 our next agenda for different 2110 01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:23,920 discussions from ours 2111 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:28,159 committee. Okay, that's it. 2112 01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:28,880 >> Blair, 2113 01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,719 >> nothing to report. 2114 01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:31,840 >> Dave, 2115 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,880 >> just one thing related to watering. 2116 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:40,239 Additionally, we have system of fire 2117 01:36:40,239 --> 01:37:02,629 hydrants. 2118 01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:04,560 Well, wait. I've got a yard and there's 2119 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,159 a fire hydrant nearby. They can always 2120 01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:08,639 put it on my yard, you know, and it does 2121 01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:10,320 to a good use that way. My neighbors 2122 01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:17,990 wouldn't mind it either, but 2123 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,840 » one time application, but I'm trying to 2124 01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:24,310 help you out. 2125 01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,239 » Are you flushing all the hydrants in the 2126 01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:27,920 city every year or do you just do a 2127 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,000 section 2128 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,390 every year? Right. 2129 01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:43,189 » What's the risk of not doing that? 2130 01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:56,390 Okay. 2131 01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:01,270 » How many hydrants do we have? 2132 01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,199 » That was a trivia question at a retreat. 2133 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,119 I can't remember either. 2134 01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:07,360 >> I don't know. I I generally I understand 2135 01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:08,480 what you're saying, but I still think 2136 01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:10,080 there might be one or two that may need 2137 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,440 to be flushed on dead ends and stuff 2138 01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:12,239 like that to keep 2139 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:13,600 >> I was just going to say your dead end 2140 01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,760 ones that collect stuff that might be a 2141 01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,840 good to just do the dead end ones 2142 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:19,040 because that's what gets in those 2143 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:24,790 valves. And 2144 01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,480 do what you think. I mean, I think you 2145 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,320 need to do what's smart. 2146 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,199 >> Be prudent. Just be prudent. 2147 01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:32,480 >> Sounds good. Thank you. What are what 2148 01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:35,199 are we doing on firework restrictions 2149 01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:38,480 this year? Any changes? Any additions? 2150 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:40,159 >> Right now, no changes, but that's coming 2151 01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:43,520 before the council next meeting. I 2152 01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,520 believe before May. 2153 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,280 >> Yeah, I believe it's scheduled for April 2154 01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,119 28th. 2155 01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:58,470 Last meeting I was in about 2156 01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:05,109 ago that might be 2157 01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:07,520 » okay. 2158 01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,040 Just keep in mind that if you want to 2159 01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:11,360 make that as a municipal restriction, 2160 01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,040 your next council meeting is the 2161 01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:14,719 opportunity. If you don't do it by May 2162 01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:17,440 1st, then you lose that chance. You can 2163 01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:21,679 always restrict them May 1st and then 2164 01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:24,080 make it less restrictive when the date 2165 01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,080 rolls around if you find that conditions 2166 01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:27,600 are different than you expect them to 2167 01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,560 be. It does have to be based off of your 2168 01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,560 fire chief's recommendation or your fire 2169 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,480 marshall's recommendation, but um that's 2170 01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:38,960 your opportunity for for making that 2171 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,560 decision. If you don't make it by May 2172 01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:44,149 one, then you can't. 2173 01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:45,440 » Okay, we'll look for a motion to 2174 01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:49,280 adjurnn. So moved.