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» Mhm.

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» Okay, we'd like to welcome everyone to

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South Weber City Council at 6:00 p.m. on

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Tuesday, April the 26th

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or 28th, 2026.

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We'll begin with the Pledge of

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Allegiance uh led by Councilman

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Halverson and then we'll have a prayer

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by Councilman Davis is not here, so

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ask uh Councilman Deales if he would

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mind offering that uh

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» Please stand and repeat after me.

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» I pledge allegiance

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to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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» Our kind and most glorious heavenly

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Father, Father, we're so grateful that

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we could come here today

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to do the work of the city,

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to see its needs,

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to listen to its citizens,

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and to make the decisions that will be

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the best for all involved.

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Father, please bless that we will have

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thy spirit to guide us and direct us,

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and that we will also be able to keep

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the spirit of contention

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down so that we may have intelligent

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discussions, meaningful discussions,

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and come to solutions.

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This pray for humbly in the name of thy

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son, Jesus the Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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Thank you, Councilman Deels, for filling

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in on the prayer for us. We appreciate

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that.

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Councilman Davis has been asked to be

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excused. He

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uh his business uh

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his work has him

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out of town.

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And we'd like to also excuse our

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uh city manager. He is ill this evening

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and is unable to be here with us.

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So, we'll begin with uh

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public comments.

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What we would like to do is if uh you've

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got a a comment

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that is not pertaining

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to the train club,

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uh

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to come up at this time with your public

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comments.

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Uh if you've got them for the train

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club, we'll have that

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public discussion a little later in the

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program. So, we'll begin

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with any other public comments. We ask

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that you come up to the microphone and

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state your name and the city in which

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you live.

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We'll allow you 3 minutes or less to

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speak, and please direct your remarks to

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the

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full council.

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Please be respectful.

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» Go ahead.

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>> Paul Sturm, South Weber City.

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My public comments are on agenda item

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number six, resolution 2608, amending

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the emer- emergency operations plan.

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The action item is the is has to do with

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the resolution and approving it.

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Comments, packet page 78 of 344. The

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primary evacuation route, north and

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west. First bullet correct. The second

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bullet says, "For residents on the west

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side of South Weber,

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direct traffic westward towards 89."

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Actually, it's eastward towards 89.

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Number two, packet page 91 of 344.

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Pocket

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response plan for collections.

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Date revised, December 25.

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Please ensure that all contacts and

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numbers have been updated since this

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2025 update throughout the emergency

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operation plan.

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The next one, B.

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Gas, Dominion.

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It is no longer Dominion Energy. It is

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Enbridge Grant Gas as of September of

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'23. Their emergency number is

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1-800-767-1689.

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General comment.

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Recommend that at least two fully

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indexed hard copies of the emergency

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operations plan

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with a table of contents plus external

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tabs be prepared and placed in the

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emergency operation operation center.

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And possibly another set in another

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location such as city hall. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Paul.

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» Hi Mayor and Council. My name is Aaron

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Perry and I'm I'm a candidate for

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Sheriff. So, I just want to stop by and

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introduce myself. I started my career

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with the Davis County Sheriff's Office

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back in 1999 and I served for many years

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as a deputy here in South Weber. So, I

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have very fond memories actually of this

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building. I've memories of of Ray's

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service station that was across the

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street and then stopping by and and

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trying to convince Harold to not count

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his money at at midnight in the summer

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with his doors open and his back uh you

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know, his back to the door uh and and

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trying to provide security for him. So,

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I won't take any more of your time. I

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just wanted to introduce myself and I

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plan to stay for the entirety of the

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meeting. So, hopefully I get a chance to

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meet you individually, but thank you.

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very much.

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» There's a few seats up here if you'd

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» Any other comments?

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Okay, we'll move on with our agenda. We

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first had the Davis County Sheriff's

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Department to do their quarterly report

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and they

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contacted us and said that they are

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running just a little bit late. So, when

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they get here, we'll try and

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get them in on that report. So, we'll

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start with uh

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the number five ordinance number five on

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the fireworks restriction.

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So, ordinance

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fireworks

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restrictions.

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Uh Council, you have any discussions on

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this?

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>> Is this the same restrictions we had

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last year?

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>> Pretty much, I think.

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>> Yes. Okay.

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>> D- Derek, when's when's the last time we

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updated this?

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Sorry, Chief Tolman.

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» I believe we updated about 3 years ago

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when we made it a little bit more or we

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changed the boundary on the western but

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for the most part it's been the same map

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for the 10 years that I've been here.

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>> That's kind of what I thought.

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I know a lot of aerials.

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So it would be breaking this rule. I

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mean down in that new newly developed

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area at the western.

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you zoom in on this it still wasn't

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developed on this map. So

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I'm just wondering if that's an area

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we could permit those in now that it's

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not farm ground.

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>> I think there's still enough farm ground

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down there that I feel more comfortable

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especially with the wind heading towards

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where the farmland is down in that area.

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restrictions.

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>> In the future.

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Chief if the

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it's projected we're supposed to have a

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drier hotter summer than normal. Uh can

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we amend these if we approve this one

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here? Can we amend it to be more

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restrictive later or are we fixed to

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this?

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>> We as a city cannot. The legislature has

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set it up that we have to have our map

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in place by May 1st.

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>> But if I believe the state legislature

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chooses to restrict it further that

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would have to come from them.

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>> Thank you.

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» Okay. So we can I thought you said

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different than that last week Jamie.

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by my read of the statute you cannot go

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more restrictive than what you act on

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today.

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If you want to relax it later on

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you can do that. So if it turned out

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that you had a really wet spring and you

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thought conditions had changed and then

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in consultation with the fire marshal

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you

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felt like you could relax those

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restrictions you can do it. But May 1st

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why I didn't bring it here. So okay.

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>> Mayor I move to approve ordinance

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2026-06 fireworks restrictions as

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submitted.

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>> Seconded.

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motion and second by Councilman

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Halverson.

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Do a roll call vote starting with

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>> Aye.

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» Okay. Unanimous, motion carries.

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Don't see the Sheriff Department here

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yet. We'll go on to the next item,

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Resolution 26-08

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amending the emergency operation

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plan.

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Make some changes and corrections to

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that and

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Council look that over and have any

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other

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concerns or

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thoughts

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on that?

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maybe

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Chief Tolman can help me out on this.

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So, looking through this, this is a

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policy procedure type of manual.

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One thing that I've noticed that it

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doesn't do good

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unlike everything else that's in it. I

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mean, this is a very good, very thorough

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start.

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South Weber is kind of a unique little

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city here. Not only do we have a small

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population and, you know, big walls

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around us,

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but we have a fire department that has

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two members that live in the city. Is

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that correct?

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at least five that live here in the

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>> Okay, good. Because I know that with the

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and where they come down into the city

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at certain times,

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as he walks in the doors, I mentioned

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his name.

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I'll be nice now.

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It it just kind of it kind of leaves me

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with this is a great perfect case

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scenario that happens at like 12:00 noon

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on a bright day when everybody's at

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work. But if this happens the other

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two-thirds of a day where you're at home

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or you're asleep or whatnot.

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um on duty plus those that are inside

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the city will give you enough staff

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to be able to do it because I fear that

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um while most things can handle pretty

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well, I think if we have an earthquake

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of any reasonable size, six or over, let

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alone getting into a seven,

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we're not going to get help regionally

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from any of our allies. They've got

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plenty to take care of on their own.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> And that kind of leaves us um kind of

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with what we have in the city. How do

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you feel about that?

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>> I would love to have a six-unit staffing

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at the fire station.

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That That's how I feel about it.

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>> Okay.

301
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>> At the fire station full-time, huh?

302
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>> Yeah.

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>> I mean, I don't know whatever what other

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answer you want. The only way to fix

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that problem is to increase our

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staffing.

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Um there's not

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>> Well,

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have we looked into cuz I've looked at a

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couple of the other cities out there and

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they've really put a lot of time and

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effort into

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organizing and registering volunteers.

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Uh for example, we have a lot of nurses

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and doctors that work in this town that

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I know of. Um we have a lot of other uh

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police officers that work here. And if

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something happens in the middle of the

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night and they're unable to report to

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duty in their own city, those are people

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that we could pre-register and have at

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your disposal during those times. It's a

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volunteer core that way we can go and

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get all the background checks, we can

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give them an exact a role whenever it is

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that you would need so that those

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professionals and that I mean, this goes

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all the way to construction work and

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some of the big equipment um drivers.

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Um having that ready for you at any

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time, um would that be something

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helpful?

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>> Uh as far as helpful to me as far as

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doctors and nurses and and that goes and honestly, I'm going to I'm going to

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paint a gloomier picture than even the

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one you're painting.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Uh

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having work in the hospitals

340
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and and just the way our department's

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set up, anyone that's a medical

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professional is going to be recalled to

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their place of work.

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Right? And so all these doctors and

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nurses are going to be responding in to

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their jobs if they can get to their

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jobs.

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Um

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so as far as having a roster of who can

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come help me,

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one, legally,

352
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I don't think we can do that cuz they

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they'd have to be licensed as an EMS

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professional. And and unless there's a

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law a loophole in the law that we can

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utilize in such way, I don't know, but I

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imagine those people will be going back

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to the hospitals. I know that's how it

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was when I worked at the hospital. I was

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required to return to the hospital

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during emergencies.

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And then uh our staff, with most of our

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staff

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um being full-time elsewhere, they will

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probably get recalled to their full-time

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positions as well. And so you are stuck

367
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with myself, Ronnie Kates, um

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and the few guys that live here in town.

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So, I wish I had a a better answer for

370
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,960
you, but that's just the reality of one,

371
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,480
our staffing model, and two, those other

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medical professionals are going to be

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required to return to the hospital or

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wherever their place of work is.

375
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>> Well, I know that the other cities are

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doing it, and I went down a list of like

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the

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20 cities just in the area, and

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they all had something like that. As a

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matter of fact, they put in code, which

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is something we might want to look at is

382
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actually putting um our roles and

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responsibilities, powers, and

384
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,480
authorities of like the mayor um in code

385
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that says you're the one that can call

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00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,360
for an um

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an evacuation and what level it has to

388
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be in. Um because state says that to

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00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,840
you, but this way, if anything happens

390
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,399
in the county, they know exactly who to

391
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come to and talk to. Uh but one of the

392
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things that they do on anyone like that,

393
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they make them a temporary employee of

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the city, which then covers them under

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00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,399
our insurance plus they already have the

396
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good Samaritan insurance and stuff. Um I

397
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,840
would just like to say that while we

398
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,960
have this and I think this is fantastic

399
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and I'm not saying we don't adopt it,

400
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I'm saying that I would like to see

401
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,399
this not be the last of this but that we

402
00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:48,639
do a

403
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,240
whether it's with the safety committee

404
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:51,960
or not, take a look at how we're going

405
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:58,720
to handle that gap um because that it it makes me nervous

406
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,360
having that few of people

407
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,720
and I also feel nervous

408
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,120
where the priority is going to always go

409
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,320
whether it's going to be the huge

410
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,880
massive traffic jam that's going to be

411
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happening on our freeways around here

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and the

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citizens or the people on there and our

414
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own individual citizens. So I know it's difficult and probably keeps you up

415
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,600
at night but I would love to have

416
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something like that put into the plan.

417
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,080
>> Yeah, I think it'd be great to have

418
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a list of people that are willing to

419
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become help during an emergency

420
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especially if they have

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medical qualifications. I was basing my

422
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,760
comments off you stating a regional

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event like a big earthquake.

424
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,800
>> Uh-huh.

425
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,520
>> Uh the other cities if they have those

426
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,280
agreements in place I would imagine that

427
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,640
would be more for a localized event of

428
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,640
some kind of mass casualty event where

429
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,880
they're not going to be recalled to

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00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,400
their place of work because it's not a

431
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,880
giant region issue with thousands of

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00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,360
casualties. It would be

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00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,120
a lot it would help a lot in a in a

434
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,960
smaller event that's only impacting our

435
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,800
city. I don't have a problem with

436
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,200
looking into something like that. I we

437
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,560
would have to obviously run that through

438
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,160
Jamie to see the legalities of

439
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,120
considering them temporary employees and

440
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,640
what that looks like but I think it's

441
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,240
something worth looking into and I'd be

442
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:08,800
happy to look up what other cities are

443
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,480
doing as far as that goes.

444
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,160
>> Okay and I can send you what I found on

445
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,320
it if that gives you a head start.

446
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,120
>> Yeah, that'd be great. Thank

447
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,560
>> Was that something we could turn over to

448
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,200
the safety committee?

449
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,030
Okay.

450
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,560
» But yeah, six minute staffing would

451
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,105
solve all of this.

452
00:36:25,105 --> 00:36:28,550
>> [laughter]

453
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:35,830
» We'll work on that when the budget hits.

454
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,720
» Okay, anything else counselor? Are we

455
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:41,990
ready to make a motion on this?

456
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,360
» The only other thing that I would like

457
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,560
to say is um

458
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,600
in Paul Sturm's comments just those few

459
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,200
additions or revisions, excuse me.

460
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,720
>> Okay.

461
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:57,470
>> To be added.

462
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,920
» I will look for a motion then.

463
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,640
>> I move to amend the I move to approve

464
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,880
and amend resolution 2608 um amending it

465
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,800
to incorporate uh the comments received

466
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,200
during public comment as had it on the

467
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,360
handout that was provided to the

468
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,480
council.

469
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:12,400
Um

470
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,720
yeah. I don't know if you need any more

471
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,480
detail than that, Jamie.

472
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,760
>> I think that's good.

473
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,440
>> Second.

474
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,160
>> The motion is second by Councilwoman

475
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Woman Petty.

476
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,840
The roll call vote starting with

477
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,840
Councilwoman Windsor.

478
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,360
>> Aye.

479
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,520
Motion carries. Thank you very much.

480
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,000
Okay, our uh Sheriff's Department did

481
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,320
arrive and so we'll

482
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,680
turn the time to them for their

483
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:48,350
quarterly report.

484
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,080
» Hello, I'm Lieutenant Mike Boyd.

485
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,840
Uh I was just just left the range, had

486
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,560
to shower real quick or else you guys

487
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,461
would have been knocked out, so.

488
00:37:57,461 --> 00:37:58,280
>> [laughter]

489
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:58,920
>> Thank you.

490
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,550
>> Appreciate it.

491
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,360
Uh appreciate your patience. So, I've

492
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,360
got the numbers up here to present to

493
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,320
you guys. This is uh

494
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,840
reporting period from January 1 this

495
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,120
year

496
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,800
uh up until yesterday.

497
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,080
You'll notice uh this is preliminary

498
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,760
data, meaning we still have technically

499
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,640
today and tomorrow that's not recorded

500
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,840
on this.

501
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,400
So,

502
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,120
calls for service

503
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,150
uh 1,294.

504
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,640
Dispatch initiated, meaning uh dispatch

505
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,120
received these received 331.

506
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,440
Uh officers initiated

507
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,400
um but on their own

508
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,150
is 963.

509
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,870
Uh we had a one mental health.

510
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,670
We had 12 custodial arrests.

511
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,000
We had 405 traffic stops.

512
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,520
Nine of those or nine traffic accidents.

513
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,720
We had 149 total citations.

514
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,360
Enlisted out in lieu of an arrest, we

515
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,800
had five.

516
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,200
We had 83 moving violations.

517
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,160
We had 23 non-moving violations and 38

518
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,880
warnings.

519
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,280
Uh reportable offenses, uh 64 were

520
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,880
reportable.

521
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,480
Uh six being DUI,

522
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,000
six being sex offenses,

523
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,560
six damaged property reports,

524
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,240
four drug offense reports, four fraud,

525
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,640
three vehicle burglaries,

526
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,400
two assaults,

527
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,040
and two thefts.

528
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,200
Let me scroll. Two child abuse,

529
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,240
one domestic violence, one weapon

530
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,640
offense,

531
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,000
one vehicle theft,

532
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,560
and 26 other offenses.

533
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,750
Um

534
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,360
Offenses charged,

535
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,120
we had five open containers

536
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,240
uh or drinking in a vehicle,

537
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,160
five use of possession of drug

538
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,320
paraphernalia, use or sorry, possession

539
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,240
of drug paraphernalia.

540
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,440
Four possession of a controlled

541
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,040
substance, uh that being specific to

542
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,960
marijuana or spice.

543
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,720
We had three driving on suspended or

544
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,840
revoked license, three speeding.

545
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,800
Two driving under the influence, uh that

546
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,040
two being the first offense in 10 years,

547
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,560
and two others driving under the

548
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,280
influence, second offense in 10 years.

549
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,240
Uh two operating a vehicle without

550
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:41,800
insurance.

551
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,440
Two failure to register expired

552
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,280
registration vehicle registration.

553
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,360
One alcohol restricted driver.

554
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,040
One assault. One driving on denied,

555
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,320
that's denied meaning denied

556
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,840
license.

557
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,360
One failure to register false info

558
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,760
felony or

559
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,030
uh lifetime required.

560
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,600
One furnished vehicle without out

561
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,520
um

562
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,760
It's not my glasses over here.

563
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,400
Yeah, the interlock device.

564
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,040
One license plate uh

565
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,360
wasn't readable within the law of so

566
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,240
many feet, and no valid license

567
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:29,000
or never obtained a license, and one

568
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,640
possession of a controlled substance

569
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,360
um scheduled one {slash} two.

570
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,920
Possession or use of a controlled

571
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,280
substance is one count, one required

572
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,600
um

573
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,360
the license plate not be invisible

574
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,720
proper color.

575
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,160
One threat of violence, one unlawful

576
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,960
acquire possession transfer uh financial

577
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,000
card. So, somebody had somebody else's

578
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,160
financial card basically.

579
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,040
Uh

580
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,200
one unlawful possession of ID of

581
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,910
another.

582
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,080
Unsafe lane travel.

583
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,390
A vehicle minor's missing inadequate.

584
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,920
And one violation of uh JRA release, uh

585
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,600
which is like a

586
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,120
jail release agreement that they can't

587
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,000
typically contact the individual that

588
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,560
they were arrested in involvement with.

589
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,240
And then one driving on a suspended or

590
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,360
revoked license.

591
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,200
And that totals your numbers for January

592
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,590
1 through April of yesterday.

593
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,600
Do you have any questions for me?

594
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,320
>> Yes, Sheriff. I do have a question with

595
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,160
the recent law that was just put in

596
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,080
action on e-bikes on public streets. How

597
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,920
are you and deputies instructed to go

598
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,670
about educating our public?

599
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,720
» Uh

600
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,840
I'll have to meet with the sheriff and

601
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,120
the chiefs

602
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,640
to see how we're going to go about doing

603
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,320
that. It's a pretty big

604
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,160
involvement in regards to e-bikes. Uh I

605
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,440
know you guys have

606
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,840
a city ordinance based on like sometime

607
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,840
electric mopeds and scooters.

608
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,640
Um I didn't look at your

609
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:23,360
uh

610
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,160
city ordinance

611
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,640
in great detail to see how it compares

612
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,200
to the new state statutes that are going

613
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,320
to be passed May I think it's 6th.

614
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Um but we'll it

615
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,800
other agencies I know are trying to get

616
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,360
ahead of it. It's a big change because

617
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,760
we have so many

618
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,240
underage kids without helmets

619
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,000
um riding

620
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,120
what I believe is

621
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,800
in the law

622
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:59,360
excessive speeds that they're able to make out of these e-bikes.

623
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,320
Um

624
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,600
There's certain

625
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,560
parameters in regards to whether it has

626
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,280
pedals or

627
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,080
the wattage.

628
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,280
It's basically electric motorcycle a lot

629
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,520
of them.

630
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,800
And that's from what I understand that

631
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,080
house bill is really defining.

632
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,640
And we just need to get together and

633
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:26,000
make sure we're in line with the the state statute that's going

634
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,990
to pass.

635
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,200
We have a new social media

636
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,560
personnel that's joined our department.

637
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,720
I know she will start helping us get the

638
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:39,120
word out.

639
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,920
Maybe do some videos. If not, do some

640
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,270
announcements for sure.

641
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,480
» I would hope at least the sheriff would

642
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,160
educate our public first time offenders.

643
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,920
>> Yeah.

644
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,360
our sheriff's really good about

645
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,640
that. I know our chief's really good

646
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,720
about that. The patrol division is

647
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,200
really good about first and foremost

648
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,720
educating the public. Even on first,

649
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:03,320
second offenses, kind of giving those

650
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,520
warnings.

651
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,520
And then

652
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,560
um

653
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,520
then forcing, right?

654
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,360
Primary [clears throat] Primary No, no, Primary goal obviously for us is to

655
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,120
keep everyone safe.

656
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,440
And there's you guys have probably

657
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,120
witnessed some of the individuals on

658
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,760
these bikes crossing roads without

659
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,280
looking and flying down the road without

660
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,600
a helmet on and stuff. And we want to we

661
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,080
want everyone to be safe.

662
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,000
>> Thank you.

663
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,760
>> You're welcome.

664
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,400
>> Other comments?

665
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,200
>> No, we appreciate what you're doing.

666
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,960
>> Thank you. Thank you very much.

667
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,320
>> Okay, thank you.

668
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,480
Appreciate that.

669
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,990
>> Thanks.

670
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,910
» Okay.

671
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,640
What do I announce that in there? This

672
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:49,800
will be

673
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,480
the uh

674
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,840
public comments to consider termination

675
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,720
of South Weber Motorcycle Riding Trail

676
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,080
Club agreement.

677
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,040
So, if you have some comments,

678
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,960
We would ask you to

679
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,360
come to the microphone, state your

680
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,440
name and the city in which you live,

681
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,120
and follow the same directions. You'll

682
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,840
have 3 minutes or less to comment.

683
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,160
And please direct

684
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,120
your comments to the entire council, and

685
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,440
please be respectful.

686
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,150
And

687
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,600
we'll take those comments and then we'll

688
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:29,760
go from there.

689
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,960
>> Mayor, but before the comments begin,

690
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,520
can I offer a suggestion?

691
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,200
>> Yes.

692
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,000
>> For economy in the meeting,

693
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,040
you'll want to balance being able to

694
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,840
hear from everybody and get everybody's

695
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,920
perspective, but also

696
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,960
respect the time that everybody's given

697
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,280
to be here.

698
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,520
It is appropriate, if you want to do it,

699
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,240
to invite folks to group their comments

700
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:51,400
together,

701
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,760
identify a spokesperson, and then you

702
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,440
could maybe give

703
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,160
the group a minute or two longer than

704
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,240
what you would give an individual,

705
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:01,520
and therefore avoid any comments that

706
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:06,160
might be duplicative or or redundant.

707
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,840
>> Okay, how many Show by the raise of

708
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,240
hands, how many would like to come up

709
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:16,150
and make a comment?

710
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,147
You'll be given your turn.

711
00:47:18,147 --> 00:47:21,270
>> [laughter]

712
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,560
» So, yes, let's I think that's a good

713
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,600
suggestion cuz uh

714
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,160
it could take a long time to hear

715
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,160
everyone's comments. So, if you would

716
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,080
like to get together for a minute or

717
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,800
two, or elect a someone to represent you

718
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,640
to make your comments,

719
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,440
so everyone gets uh

720
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,160
equal time and

721
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,560
proper time. Would

722
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:43,400
you willing to do that? What do you

723
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,520
think, council? You good with that?

724
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,760
>> I just want to make sure that everybody

725
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,680
has a chance to be heard. And if they do

726
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,080
want to group together, they can, but

727
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,600
um I mean, I think this

728
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,200
>> see how it goes? And if it looks like

729
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,400
it's going to

730
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,160
be longer than we thought.

731
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,720
>> Blair says he's got all night.

732
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,033
>> Believe

733
00:48:02,033 --> 00:48:02,360
>> [laughter]

734
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,400
>> As long as you can stand there.

735
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,040
>> Let's uh

736
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:05,960
Let's [clears throat] please be

737
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,600
respectful of the 3 minutes that you've

738
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,830
got then. And we'll uh

739
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:12,960
» I'll pass on that.

740
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,760
>> Okay.

741
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,600
>> My 3 minutes is up. Sorry. [laughter]

742
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,680
>> You have another 5 minutes.

743
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,480
>> Oh, man.

744
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,920
I get nervous at these kind of things,

745
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,160
so I hope I just not do a shotgun effect

746
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,760
and just put it quick to you guys

747
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:25,240
better.

748
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:26,320
>> State your name.

749
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,520
>> My name is Ron Anderson. Thanks, Blair.

750
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,720
I figured you knew me. No.

751
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,760
6832 Firth Farm Road.

752
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,080
As far as I know, I was the first member

753
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,600
of the train club to move in or the club

754
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,000
train club. My uh

755
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,280
house abuts the train.

756
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,040
And when I moved in, we when we decided

757
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,240
to move here, I saw the master plan.

758
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:50,720
And the train went up and around the

759
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,160
barn and as everybody else knows the

760
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,440
how the history of that went. And year

761
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,440
after year, new mayors and council have

762
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,160
come in and that's changed

763
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,000
significantly.

764
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,480
Uh

765
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,280
we were told that if we build a train

766
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,640
that we could put a spur onto the track

767
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,520
and run it out from our home. My train

768
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,960
that I built, it took 7 years of

769
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,360
TLC to get it for my wife. It's a cute

770
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,840
little thing. I don't run it very often.

771
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,520
It's electric and the gas ones that they

772
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,840
run give me headaches, so

773
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,320
we'll let that go. But anyway,

774
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,080
that went a long ways.

775
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,360
Time came by and me and Blair and Angie

776
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,520
made an agreement that if I did a

777
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,680
80-ft radius behind my house, took care

778
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,640
of it, grassed it, weeded it, watered

779
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,440
it, kept it nice, that the train would

780
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,640
eventually go up and through my backyard

781
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,800
or butt my backyard.

782
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,480
And we made that agreement and I think

783
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,520
we did a pretty good job of keeping

784
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,520
that.

785
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,080
I know that on both sides, both the

786
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,720
train and the city, that promises have

787
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,600
been made. Some of them haven't been

788
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,760
kept on both sides.

789
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,800
I mean, that's that's the way life is.

790
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,240
Some people can do it, some people

791
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,040
can't. Some things are overlooked.

792
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,040
But I built this train and I built it

793
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,680
because I love railroads, trains. I

794
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,520
always have as a kid. When I lived

795
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,680
going up in Ogden, I used to go to learn

796
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,280
far and ride their little train. I don't

797
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,800
know if the older guys here remember

798
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:13,880
that.

799
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,560
And in fact down to the motor view.

800
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,040
Okay, how are you?

801
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,000
Okay.

802
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,480
I think it's a great thing. I think the

803
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,000
train has. Yeah, there's been problems

804
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,120
on both sides, agreements,

805
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,400
disagreements, problems. I know I've

806
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,760
tried to work some things out and 3

807
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,760
years ago I quit my membership into the

808
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,800
train club because I could see problems

809
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,360
coming that I couldn't solve and that

810
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,920
made me feel bad.

811
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,240
On last note, on one of my last times

812
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,840
running a train,

813
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,000
this lady used to come and bring her son

814
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,760
every week to ride the train.

815
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,040
And I knew who she was and her son

816
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,040
introduced him and later on in the year

817
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,240
about first part of October,

818
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,480
this little boy's dad showed up with him

819
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,040
and it was Jay Hill. I don't know if

820
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,600
anybody knows who Jay Hill is or know

821
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,920
who he is, football coach for Weber

822
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:01,280
State back then.

823
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,640
And he shows up with his boy and I work

824
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,640
stats with Weber State

825
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,720
and he uh

826
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:09,000
was there and I said, "Jay, what are you

827
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,280
doing here?" I said, "You have a

828
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,240
football game in 2 hours."

829
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,360
He says, "I'm here for my son."

830
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,840
What more can you say?

831
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,720
I appreciate you guys' help, the city.

832
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,000
I hope this is looked as maybe a bump

833
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,440
that they can keep here because it is a

834
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,480
great family thing. Thank you for your

835
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:31,430
time.

836
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,520
» No, you better stay here the whole time.

837
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,990
>> Can I get on real quick?

838
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,280
Uh Michael Grant, 2622 Deer Run Drive.

839
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,600
Um I want to know four things from the

840
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,880
city council.

841
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,600
Uh one is um

842
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,680
does the train operator, do they have a

843
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,440
financial incentive? Are they making

844
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,000
profit or not? If they are not, then

845
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,920
obviously they don't have, um, a reason

846
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,280
to maintain it. Number two, what's the

847
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,880
liability?

848
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,240
Do we have an insurance there? Um, if

849
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,440
kids get hurt, then of course we could

850
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,320
have problems and we have to be safe

851
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,680
first. Number three is, um,

852
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,520
the mechanical items which are like

853
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,720
jagged,

854
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,840
um, shards of iron and metal sticking

855
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,480
out, they obviously need to be fixed by

856
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,080
the company.

857
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,800
But the fourth item is, if there's like

858
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,520
just landscaping and weeds growing,

859
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,080
maybe throw it out to to the public, we

860
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,840
might just volunteer our time and just

861
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,120
fix it up.

862
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,000
So, th- these seem to be small issues,

863
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,560
should be relatively easy to fix. Such a

864
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,800
good thing for the city. Thank you.

865
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,000
>> Thanks, Mike.

866
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,600
>> And anybody who's repeating the same

867
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,480
thing in order to cut short on the time,

868
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:57,150
maybe don't repeat. Just a suggestion.

869
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,840
» Patrick Brannon, South Ogden.

870
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,280
Uh, I plan on moving down here as soon

871
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,200
as I can afford to and find a house that

872
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,720
is bordering this the train park.

873
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:09,880
Uh,

874
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,040
at least assuming that we are allowed to

875
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,800
stay.

876
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,120
I have been a member of the train park

877
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,520
for 12 of the train club there at the

878
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,640
park for 12 years,

879
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,480
12 plus years now.

880
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,270
I love it. I

881
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,560
It's the only time, well, on our run

882
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,120
days is the only time I see anyone else

883
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,920
at that park.

884
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,480
So, if you s- take away the trains, I really

885
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,280
don't see any reason to keep the park.

886
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,310
Uh,

887
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,000
we have not

888
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:45,800
the

889
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,680
city does not spend any money on

890
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,480
maintaining the tracks or

891
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:52,920
the club.

892
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,280
So, I really see no reason why you

893
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,960
shouldn't keep it.

894
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:05,750
>> Thank you.

895
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,240
» My name is Marliese Jones. I live at 631

896
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:10,320
Green Springs Way. I've lived in Davis

897
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,360
County for over 30 years and I've worked

898
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,120
in city, state, and county government. I

899
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,680
prosecuted as a city prosecutor in

900
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,760
Layton for 8 years. And the the asset

901
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,640
that you have here with this park and

902
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,040
with the train that circles it and

903
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,000
brings families together and communities

904
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,760
together to enjoy it. I take my

905
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,240
grandkids over there. It is a real

906
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:33,680
benefit. It's hard to find these kinds

907
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,040
of good things in our in our day and

908
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,760
age. We know that. If our kids aren't

909
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,160
outside, if we're not doing things as a

910
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,840
family, they're more inclined to be

911
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,200
doing other things. And those things,

912
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,880
you know, would end up bringing them

913
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,720
down paths that we would break our

914
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,200
hearts to see.

915
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,200
Um it does sound like there are issues

916
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,840
that need to be addressed and I would

917
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,480
encourage the city council to be

918
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,680
motivated to try and find the solutions

919
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,200
to work together. Um maybe it is too

920
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,560
much for the for the folks with the

921
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,680
club. I don't know. I don't have a

922
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,080
history with them. But if it could be

923
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,920
more collaborative and working together

924
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,160
to make it safe, keep that benefit here

925
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,640
to strengthen the community and the

926
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,000
families that live here in South Weber,

927
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,960
it would be a huge benefit. It would be

928
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,800
really a shame to see it be gone. Um and

929
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,560
there are a lot of cities that decline

930
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,640
because of lack of family involvement

931
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,320
and engagement and activities. And this

932
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,520
is a great wholesome way to get them

933
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,280
outdoors, get them active, and get them

934
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,560
interested in trains, in engineering, in

935
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,160
science, in all the things that come

936
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,200
from that. So, I'd encourage you to

937
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,440
consider that with a solution-oriented

938
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,760
mindset instead of just determination

939
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,800
and saying we're tired, we're done. That

940
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,840
maybe we take that extra step to keep

941
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:43,720
it. Thank you.

942
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:53,070
>> Thank you.

943
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,040
» Hi, my name is Aaron Greer. I'm from

944
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,720
Bountiful. This is my daughter Abby.

945
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:00,280
My wife and I

946
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,720
have seven kids. And for many years

947
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,240
we've been regular participants in the

948
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,880
train rides in the park.

949
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,280
And um just to echo some of what's been

950
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:15,000
said, but to bring our own sense of experience to this,

951
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,040
it it's an activity my kids look forward

952
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,040
to and they've looked forward to

953
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,600
for many years.

954
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Um

955
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,440
years ago I was involved in the RC

956
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,760
airplane

957
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,200
model port down in the North Salt Lake

958
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,680
area.

959
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,040
And uh

960
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,920
there was a situation where the land it

961
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,000
was it was previously owned by the state

962
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,080
and it was traded to the city

963
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,040
and the city made promises to

964
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,560
provide a place for it, to provide some

965
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,520
funding, and uh to work with the RC

966
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,120
clubs to steward it.

967
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,200
And it was quite a fight. It took many

968
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,040
years. Once it was displaced, um soccer

969
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,640
fields were put in there.

970
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,560
Um eventually it it was located in a

971
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,280
place that

972
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,200
uh was was far from the beaten path. Uh

973
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,160
it was not well attended and the city's

974
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,120
interest in supporting it, you know, it

975
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,680
went downhill. It didn't it didn't take

976
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,120
long for it to just become unusable and

977
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,280
as far as I know now, there's really no

978
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,320
care being taken of it.

979
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,640
Um but it it was another disappointing

980
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,240
thing. My kids also really enjoyed that.

981
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,480
Not having that resource available, it

982
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,440
definitely affected our family. I know

983
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,520
it affected many other families. And

984
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,280
there's whole generations of kids now

985
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,000
who are growing up

986
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,120
who just don't get the kind of

987
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,640
experience that I myself had and also other many

988
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,320
other children have had and I'm an

989
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,960
engineer and I can definitely say

990
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,480
experiences like that influenced my

991
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,560
direction in life. It kept me out of

992
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,920
other kinds of trouble that I might have

993
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,960
gotten in if I wasn't focused on that

994
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,400
goal. Um it inspired me. I know that it

995
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,240
also inspires my kids. Um they're pretty sad to hear that this

996
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,000
might not be available anymore and I

997
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,120
also just want to say to the the model

998
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,000
railroad club, thank you very much for

999
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,480
all the years and hours of hard work. I

1000
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,080
know from my experience with the RC

1001
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,800
club, it's kind of a thankless thing but

1002
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,920
the community does definitely appreciate

1003
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,800
it. It's noticed and thank you.

1004
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:27,630
>> Appreciate it.

1005
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,680
» My name is Karen Anderson and I live at

1006
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,160
6832 Firth Road.

1007
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,160
And I just probably have a caveat to

1008
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,160
what everybody's going to probably say

1009
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,680
today but these members of these train

1010
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,760
clubs give up their own personal time

1011
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,960
every third Saturday from April to

1012
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,840
October to for the benefit of the city

1013
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,240
and for the benefit of the families that

1014
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,440
want to come and ride the train.

1015
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,080
So, I hope that when you take in

1016
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,040
consideration

1017
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,560
about abolishing the agreement with the

1018
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,920
train club that you would think of all

1019
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:05,600
those members and all those families

1020
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,320
that rely on

1021
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,760
good wholesome family activities that we

1022
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,320
can provide to the people of the city of

1023
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,160
South Weber. So, thank you.

1024
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:15,640
>> Thank you.

1025
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,590
>> Thanks, Karen.

1026
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,920
» Hi, my name is Amy McDaniel. I'm a newer

1027
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,760
resident to South Weber. My husband and

1028
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,160
I moved here last April and when we were

1029
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,160
looking at towns and trying to decide

1030
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,680
where to buy our house. I went online

1031
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,680
and I saw some information but not a

1032
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,120
lot. But one thing I did see was that

1033
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,920
there was a little model railroad here

1034
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,840
in town and it made me feel like this

1035
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,480
would be a nice safe friendly community

1036
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,200
sort of place to buy our home and that's

1037
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,720
exactly what South Weber has turned out

1038
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,840
to be. We're very happy here. Um but I'm

1039
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,560
sad to think that such a you know giving

1040
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,280
and wonderful program might be

1041
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,160
dismantled. It's something that actually

1042
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,920
drew us to this to this community and it

1043
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,800
has been truly representative of the

1044
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,160
kindness and generosity that I found in

1045
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,440
my neighbors here in South Weber.

1046
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,080
Thank you.

1047
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,080
>> Thank you, Annie.

1048
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:13,230
>> Thank you.

1049
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,080
» Hi, Marty McFadden, South Weber.

1050
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,240
Uh

1051
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,800
I am not a part of the train club.

1052
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,800
Uh but I I live right next to the the

1053
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,920
park and uh

1054
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,400
I love it.

1055
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,080
Uh I I I I

1056
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,360
look forward to the day when I could

1057
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,160
join the train club when I'm a grandpa

1058
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,560
and I have littles

1059
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,400
that can ride that train.

1060
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,280
>> You're old enough then.

1061
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,360
>> I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

1062
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,520
Um

1063
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,520
and um

1064
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,240
I I just I don't know

1065
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,200
where we would go wrong

1066
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,640
to

1067
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,120
destroy something that creates

1068
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,840
consistent

1069
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,560
meaningful community engagement.

1070
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,960
This is something that is an opt-in

1071
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,840
opportunity for

1072
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,400
teenagers and adults to be a part of.

1073
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,720
This is

1074
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,440
something that doesn't require any

1075
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,440
anybody to pay anything to do it.

1076
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,200
And it gives us an identity.

1077
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,680
What are we if we We have the train

1078
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,080
park.

1079
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,600
Nothing.

1080
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,040
Wind blows in.

1081
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,200
So, anyway,

1082
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,120
I

1083
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,240
save the trains.

1084
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:42,390
Thank you.

1085
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,160
» I'm Parker Christensen. I'm the

1086
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,440
president of the South Weber Model

1087
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,880
Railroad Club this year. And um

1088
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,160
one thing I'd like to get up and talk

1089
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,760
about is our club's safe history and our

1090
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,160
safe record. We've always carried our

1091
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,040
own liability insurance.

1092
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,360
And I'm sure people touch on that

1093
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,800
better, but we've never had an incident.

1094
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,160
Um and one thing that we pride ourselves

1095
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,000
on that being part of is everything that

1096
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,720
we do in the club is handmade to

1097
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,080
standards. Everything we do, we make on

1098
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,560
our own, and we train club members how

1099
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,200
to do stuff. We train others, and part

1100
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,680
of us being a 501c3

1101
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,960
is we also open our doors to the

1102
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,280
community. We've hosted numerous Eagle

1103
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,480
Scout projects. We've let Wever State

1104
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,120
come. We showed Wever State how our

1105
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,680
trains work. We showed them everything

1106
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,120
on how the trains function, stay on the

1107
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,360
tracks,

1108
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,080
how all of that happens seamlessly. And

1109
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,400
Wever State took that to their

1110
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,480
engineering department. Their

1111
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,840
engineering department took every spec,

1112
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,840
everything, did computer analysis, built

1113
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,840
us a handicap train car. And the

1114
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,400
handicap train car allows a handicap

1115
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,600
person in a seat that holds them in

1116
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,120
safely. It's a way the train car sits so

1117
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:43,920
it can't tip, which none of our train

1118
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,600
cars can, but this one sits lower than

1119
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,200
any others, and it allows for a

1120
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,040
caretaker to sit behind them.

1121
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,680
And one cool thing about this that we've

1122
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,680
done with a lot of these activities,

1123
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,640
being 501c3, we take all this and

1124
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,400
anybody who wants specs and information

1125
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,080
on how to build that, we share. We've

1126
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,360
had clubs from Australia, California,

1127
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,840
and all around other places reach out

1128
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,323
and ask, "How can I do that?" And

1129
01:03:03,323 --> 01:03:03,720
>> [clears throat]

1130
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,200
>> we like being part of the community. We

1131
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,840
like letting the community give back as

1132
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,000
much as we can give back to them. So,

1133
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:10,400
Thank you.

1134
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:16,190
>> Thank you, Parker.

1135
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,840
» Hi, my name is Wren Strong. I'm from

1136
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,160
Bountiful.

1137
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,480
Um one of the questions that I've not

1138
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,560
seen addressed and I reviewed the packet

1139
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,520
that is online regarding the train, the

1140
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,120
216 pages. What I couldn't find is a

1141
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,240
staff report on the on the city's

1142
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,520
website for the agenda. So just have the

1143
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,040
train packet. So I don't know what the

1144
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,200
staff report said about this issue. In

1145
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,360
2023, the agreement was entered into

1146
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,520
between the train club and the city. It

1147
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,040
called the train club advantageous and

1148
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,440
desirable services. So what's changed in

1149
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,400
the last 3 years that this is no longer

1150
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,360
advantageous or desirable to have in

1151
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,720
your community?

1152
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,120
It draws in people from other

1153
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,880
communities to come here to the city,

1154
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,240
purchase items here. You're contributing

1155
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,400
to your tax base. You're contributing to

1156
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,920
the livelihood of this this city.

1157
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,760
And it's just a concern that that

1158
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,600
information wasn't really available

1159
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,240
online when I hope to be able to view

1160
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,280
that.

1161
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,120
Um nor did I see anything about what the

1162
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,760
cost of the insurance is. Um certainly

1163
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:14,960
the trust came out. They did their

1164
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,960
inspection. The club uh I didn't see

1165
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:23,720
anything in the 216 pages as to what the club's response to their report was.

1166
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,440
Did the club respond? Did they say,

1167
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:26,600
"Okay, we're going to be addressing

1168
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:27,720
these?" Or did they have a plan for

1169
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,600
addressing them? From what I've heard,

1170
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,840
they did have some some ideas on how to

1171
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,120
handle this.

1172
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,520
But as the previous state um speaker

1173
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,040
stated, I'd really love to see a

1174
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,560
collaborative relationship between the

1175
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,160
city and this important activity that

1176
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,680
really is for families here in the

1177
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,360
community.

1178
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,040
I don't know how much the insurance is

1179
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,680
costing the city for this. I don't know

1180
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,680
if it is financial decision or why the

1181
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,160
city is feeling that, "Oh no, time for

1182
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,720
the club to go from this park." But as

1183
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:55,880
you've heard here tonight, so many

1184
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,800
people do have an interest and a love

1185
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,080
for it. And I think it is is as it is an

1186
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,320
important asset for your community.

1187
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,550
>> Thank you.

1188
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,640
They will take one more.

1189
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,400
And Pete Pete, if you want to get up and

1190
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,200
talk now, I told you no, but I let

1191
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,360
Parker.

1192
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,160
So, that will be if you come up and

1193
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,920
that'll be the response from the train

1194
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,160
club and then we'll move along.

1195
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,400
>> Am I limited to 3 minutes?

1196
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,750
>> Yeah.

1197
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,640
» Okay.

1198
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,400
>> May I think we ought to give him some

1199
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,840
more time than 3 minutes.

1200
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,880
>> Okay.

1201
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,280
>> Thank you for your comments, everybody.

1202
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,480
And no, the city doesn't pay for

1203
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,400
insurance, we do

1204
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:44,960
out of our pocket.

1205
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,680
They don't pay for anything for the

1206
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,920
train, nothing. They give us no support.

1207
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,920
Just to make that clear beginning.

1208
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,360
>> Will you Will you state your name just

1209
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:55,920
for the record?

1210
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,160
>> My name is Pete Robbins.

1211
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,080
I am the treasurer

1212
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,520
of the club.

1213
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,560
I've been a member of the club for 12

1214
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,840
years.

1215
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,080
And I have a list of things here that

1216
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,920
the city has directed us to do over the

1217
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,600
last 12 years. It's been very

1218
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,240
time-consuming

1219
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,520
and we have done our very best

1220
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,400
to uh

1221
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,440
facilitate

1222
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,080
their requests.

1223
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,560
Uh move tracks by the north fence line,

1224
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,560
move trucks tracks from the west

1225
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,360
wetlands,

1226
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,400
and that's another thing.

1227
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,680
One of the things that they said on

1228
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,000
their their website was that we have not

1229
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,760
made any increase or improvement like

1230
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,640
they wished we would. We were making

1231
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,080
improvements in and increasing things

1232
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:42,880
and we had a wetlands thing, we had to

1233
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,720
tear a bunch of track out, we couldn't

1234
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,120
use a bunch of track. We had to strip

1235
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,720
our yard.

1236
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,320
It was It was very time-consuming over a

1237
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,120
2-year period.

1238
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,160
Then along came COVID and that really

1239
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,840
screwed things up.

1240
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,840
Um

1241
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,320
we removed

1242
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,600
well

1243
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,440
we removed three bridges at the city's

1244
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,120
request

1245
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,200
and agreed to remove the rest by the end

1246
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,880
of May.

1247
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:12,520
Uh

1248
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,320
you can see the city minutes that that

1249
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,720
that's what our agreement was that we'd

1250
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,200
remove the bridges by the end of May.

1251
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,120
Uh and they're saying that we aren't

1252
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,640
responding to the things they want

1253
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,040
responded. We're We're working at it,

1254
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,440
but you know, what's funny is this month

1255
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,040
we could have been working all month,

1256
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:29,840
and you told us that we could not come

1257
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,120
to the park and couldn't do anything.

1258
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,280
One of our prime months to work.

1259
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,440
If I sound a little upset,

1260
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,240
well, you're wrong. I'm very upset.

1261
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:43,600
>> Please control it.

1262
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,120
>> The The bridges The bridges that you

1263
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:47,920
asked us to remove were originally

1264
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,080
required by the city.

1265
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,760
Your city hydrological engineer told us

1266
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,240
that he had to have those bridges to

1267
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,320
handle the runoff from that large field

1268
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,840
if you have a downpour.

1269
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,960
If we put two 5-in pipes or one 5-in

1270
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,160
pipe underneath our track, you're going

1271
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,280
to build an acre-foot of water out

1272
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,720
there, and it'll wash our track out. And

1273
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:11,920
guess what's going to happen to all that

1274
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,280
water? It's going to go in somebody's

1275
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,840
basement.

1276
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,520
And then you'll be liable for that. We

1277
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,759
won't because I just made that statement

1278
01:08:18,759 --> 01:08:20,080
here

1279
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,279
that we need to have your input before

1280
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:26,200
we take those bridges out as to what you

1281
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,240
want us to do to handle that water.

1282
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,480
Because we were taught told, and I still

1283
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:34,040
have the paperwork

1284
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:35,720
from you the directive from your

1285
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,680
engineer that we had to build those

1286
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,920
bridges. We had those built.

1287
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,279
They were fabricated to be put in there.

1288
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,240
They're fabricated according to national

1289
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,640
standards.

1290
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,160
They're supported according to national

1291
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,400
standards. After a hard winter,

1292
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:52,759
we didn't have a real hard winter, but

1293
01:08:52,759 --> 01:08:55,920
we had enough that it should it loosens

1294
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,960
the gravel and destabilizes the the

1295
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:00,120
bridges.

1296
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,960
And we had our inspection before we got

1297
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,120
there to to re-stabilize them, but it

1298
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,080
was before we ran.

1299
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,680
That's what we needed. We need to stay

1300
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:08,880
safe.

1301
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,520
And as it was stated earlier, we've

1302
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,520
never had an accident.

1303
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:17,789
12 years, that's not too bad.

1304
01:09:17,799 --> 01:09:20,590
Okay.

1305
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,839
Relocate track that they rebuilt train

1306
01:09:22,839 --> 01:09:25,000
loading Okay, we rebuilt the train

1307
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,640
loading ramp. There's a picture on there

1308
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,680
of the train loading ramp that is

1309
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,440
falling apart. It isn't anymore. A lot

1310
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:33,960
of the pictures that are online are not

1311
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:38,279
at not current. They are from 2022 and

1312
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:40,440
2023.

1313
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:41,799
If If

1314
01:09:41,799 --> 01:09:44,400
they've deleted the the dates from them,

1315
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,279
but guess what? I've got copies of them

1316
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:49,319
when they were originally taken. And and

1317
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:51,160
some of them were were given to the

1318
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,240
insurance person, and he asked me,

1319
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,000
"Where Where's this?" And I said,

1320
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,240
"You're standing on it." He says, "Well,

1321
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,720
I don't see any of this." And I said,

1322
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,400
"No, that's because this picture was

1323
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,880
taken when we were doing replacing a

1324
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,840
bunch of ties, and the ties that we took

1325
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,120
out were thrown off the side of the

1326
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,880
track, and somebody took a picture of it

1327
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,360
and put it in their

1328
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,880
pocket so they could use it later, but

1329
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,480
those ties haven't been there for years.

1330
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:17,920
And uh

1331
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,480
and the things that the other things

1332
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:20,920
that they showed, I have pictures I'm

1333
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,560
happy to show people.

1334
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,000
These things have all been repaired

1335
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,800
since I I came up and walked through

1336
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,040
with the your insurance person.

1337
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,520
And we made an agreement on each thing

1338
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,400
what we needed to do.

1339
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,440
And some of the things that you'd send

1340
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:36,920
him pictures of that he was looking at,

1341
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,360
he said, "Well, it looks like you're

1342
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:39,880
making good headway on these things." He

1343
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,280
says, "Just keep it up." He says, "I

1344
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,360
think you're doing fine." So, you know,

1345
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,680
to get

1346
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,360
the sudden knife in the back that Oh,

1347
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,360
well, it's been 30 days He He said it

1348
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,440
doesn't have to be done in 30 days in

1349
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:53,920
his report.

1350
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,600
He said, "Just keep doing what you're

1351
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,760
doing." I called him to ask him to come

1352
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,880
to this meeting. He was in Florida and

1353
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,240
they were just flying out to go to

1354
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,920
Europe for for a month with his family.

1355
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,400
So, he he couldn't be here, but he said,

1356
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,480
"Just tell them that there was nothing

1357
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,800
that was so terrible that it needed to

1358
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,840
be done immediately or I would have told

1359
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:16,800
you that it needed to be done

1360
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,360
immediately."

1361
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,710
I said, "Well, I'll tell them that."

1362
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,440
Okay. Um

1363
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:28,120
Thank you for saying that that we spend

1364
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:29,760
our weekends here.

1365
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,264
Haha. One weekend a month.

1366
01:11:32,264 --> 01:11:33,840
>> [laughter]

1367
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,280
>> Play one weekend a month right at the

1368
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,360
time of work.

1369
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,160
>> Well, and and even on the weekends that

1370
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,360
we run, half our staff is out working on

1371
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:42,560
things.

1372
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,920
So, it's it's not

1373
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,080
Yeah, there are there are people who

1374
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,240
just think we come here to play and it's

1375
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,800
not the case. Oh, and Ron, you've only

1376
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,800
been not registered for 2 years, not

1377
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,520
three.

1378
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:58,550
I know. I'm the treasurer.

1379
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,560
Okay.

1380
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,680
One of the problems with the weeds

1381
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,840
is last year was a very wet year.

1382
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,080
And that's where all the pictures are

1383
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,800
taken. If you've taken any pictures,

1384
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,680
which I have, of the tracks this year,

1385
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,520
there's no weeds.

1386
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,080
We were up here every weekend last year

1387
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,520
weeding and I hired I hired a group of

1388
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,240
students twice. Cost me $600 to have

1389
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,040
them come up and weed and you can't keep

1390
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,680
up with it when it's raining like that.

1391
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,840
And

1392
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,720
this is the first year that the city has

1393
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,360
seen it fit to mow their weeds.

1394
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,040
That field that's south and east of the

1395
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,000
ballpark,

1396
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,680
we we

1397
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,480
cut our weeds back that far, but guess

1398
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:47,480
what? The weeds that were next to that

1399
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:49,760
were 3 4 ft tall and the weed seeds were

1400
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,480
just blowing over on our track all the

1401
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:52,680
time.

1402
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,760
You can't keep up up that way. Well,

1403
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,640
guess what? This year for the first year

1404
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,040
in 12 years, you mowed that field and we

1405
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,520
haven't had weeds.

1406
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:07,950
Funny thing.

1407
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:09,600
Let's When Shay and I walked through

1408
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:10,680
>> Please wrap it up.

1409
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:11,280
>> Oh, sure.

1410
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:12,400
>> I don't appreciate some of your

1411
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:13,000
comments.

1412
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,440
>> Well, I'm sorry.

1413
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:17,280
Does it Does it bring things to the

1414
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,200
forefront? I'm sorry.

1415
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,160
Um when Shay and I walked through with

1416
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,310
the inspector,

1417
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,600
she asked me why

1418
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,000
the city was having us take care of the

1419
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,400
weeds between our tracks and the fence.

1420
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,480
And I said, "Well, the city felt that it

1421
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:36,640
would be difficult to get your machinery

1422
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,960
back in there to handle the weeds."

1423
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,520
And she says, "Well, that's no problem."

1424
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:41,880
She says, "I'll talk to the city and see

1425
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,760
if they can't change their mind on

1426
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,600
that." And And then when we got down to

1427
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,480
the triangular area,

1428
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:48,800
I said,

1429
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,800
"You know, I since we can't do anything

1430
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,360
with this anymore,

1431
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,120
I'll just I'd like to pull the track

1432
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,520
back to the switches and turn this area

1433
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,360
back to the city because it's so

1434
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,440
difficult to keep that area out of weeds

1435
01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:02,560
because the weeds blow down the hill

1436
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,080
from that dirt mound that you've got

1437
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,280
with all those weeds all over it."

1438
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,160
And she said, "Well, I think that makes

1439
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,880
plain sense." She says, "I'll I'll see

1440
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,320
if we can't get that taken care of,

1441
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,750
too."

1442
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,400
Well, I hadn't heard anything back on

1443
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:16,760
that.

1444
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,200
And there was one other question that I

1445
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,880
asked her to ask the city about the the

1446
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,280
spauling where the snow plows hit the

1447
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,120
track and and spaul the concrete next to

1448
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,720
it. If they want us to fix it, we'll fix

1449
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,200
it. If the city wants to fix it, they

1450
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,990
can fix it.

1451
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,480
What we have done is we've built a

1452
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,240
handicap car to allow those who can't

1453
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:37,760
otherwise ride the train. We've built

1454
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,480
five new passenger cars.

1455
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,560
We've improved crowd control barricades.

1456
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,040
We've upgraded and improved signage. And

1457
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,520
incidentally, in your

1458
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,320
presentation, it says that we haven't

1459
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,320
put any signs up.

1460
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,440
That's because 2 [snorts] years ago at

1461
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:56,880
our meeting with you in the other room,

1462
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,600
you said you didn't want us to put any

1463
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,520
permanent signs up. We could use the

1464
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,720
A-frame type signs and put them out when

1465
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,480
we were here. But you didn't want any

1466
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:07,360
permanent signs. So no, we haven't put

1467
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:08,720
any permanent signs up because we're

1468
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,840
told not to.

1469
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,480
Okay.

1470
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,680
We have regular safety training for our

1471
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,200
operators.

1472
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:17,200
Uh

1473
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,640
we designed and and ordered signage as

1474
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,440
requested by the insurance inspector

1475
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,720
during our inspection. He said the

1476
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,680
switches that are on the ground, he was

1477
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,480
worried about people stumbling on them.

1478
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:30,000
That that's what that was all about. He

1479
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,920
suggested we put a sign up by each

1480
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,560
switch, about 14 in tall. And I said,

1481
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,920
"That's going to be a tripping hazard."

1482
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,920
You know, if somebody's walking along

1483
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,320
looking at their cell phone, they're going to go

1484
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,200
right on their nose. So I said, "How's

1485
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,280
about we put the sign up at about 5 ft?"

1486
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,280
You know, make a nice sign. He said,

1487
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:51,960
"That's a better idea. Let's do that."

1488
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,840
And he says, "That's fine with me." He

1489
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,000
says, "That'll take care of the problem.

1490
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,400
No problem." So we had the signs being

1491
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,840
made until we got stopped. You know, I

1492
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,280
mean, somebody tells you you're going to

1493
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,520
be thrown out, you don't

1494
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:08,910
Um

1495
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,400
the

1496
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,640
We have the the gates

1497
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,200
to fence the back of the trailer, and

1498
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,840
that was scheduled with our work crew to

1499
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,760
come up on the 4th of the month and hang

1500
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,000
those gates.

1501
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,640
And we were told we couldn't come and do

1502
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,040
anything.

1503
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:25,880
>> And you've got 1 minute. Thank you.

1504
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,800
>> Okay. I have pictures that show all of

1505
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,400
the corrections that we have already

1506
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,520
made

1507
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,680
that were on the inspection. I sent a

1508
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,400
copy of the inspection of our

1509
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,280
corrections to the inspector, and he

1510
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,560
sent me back an email saying, "Looks

1511
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,080
like you're making great progress.

1512
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,120
You've done most of it."

1513
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,800
Thank you for your time and I appreciate

1514
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:49,430
you all being here.

1515
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,120
» Thank you everyone for your comments. We

1516
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,510
appreciate it.

1517
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,400
That's some interesting uh

1518
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,480
things said.

1519
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:00,720
Uh what we would like to

1520
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,440
do is uh Shay from our Parks Department,

1521
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:05,000
we'd like for her

1522
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,840
to uh if you'd like to do it from there,

1523
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,680
Shay, you can. Just pull up a mic

1524
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,840
and uh

1525
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,760
bring us the city's

1526
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:23,270
perspective on this.

1527
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:24,800
» Since the beginning of the train club in

1528
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,720
South Weber City, there has been

1529
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,400
unfulfilled promises and expectations.

1530
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,400
The plan was

1531
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,830
>> No one commented during your

1532
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,960
» The plan was to have a train park theme,

1533
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,080
kind of like an amusement park.

1534
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,040
Um the track was to extend into Peterson

1535
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,200
Family Park, have bridges, turns,

1536
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,120
elevation changes,

1537
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,320
tunnels,

1538
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,360
some shops, some like little buildings

1539
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,760
all along the way.

1540
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,520
The dream and the vision was to have a

1541
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,760
really neat train park and have it be a

1542
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,790
destination.

1543
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,200
Those were dreams and visions.

1544
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,160
None of this has come to fruition.

1545
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,440
Over the past 15 years, there hasn't

1546
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,800
been any significant improvements,

1547
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,880
rather frustration with the tra- train

1548
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,520
club leadership and resources.

1549
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,440
The train club doesn't have the budget,

1550
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:25,080
the manpower,

1551
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,280
membership, time, or equipment to keep

1552
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,800
the amenity safe and well-maintained.

1553
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,280
This has been a 15-year experiment that

1554
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:38,960
continues to repeat the same problems.

1555
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,120
Last year alone, there were four

1556
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,800
violations for not maintaining weeds.

1557
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,280
May 8th,

1558
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,120
May 27th,

1559
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,680
June 5th,

1560
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,400
September 5th, and a fine October 14th

1561
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,080
for $100 a day

1562
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,760
until the weeds had been remedied.

1563
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,920
This is a poor reflection on the city as

1564
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:03,550
well as the train club.

1565
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,480
There are also several high-risk safety

1566
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:07,920
items that have not been addressed for 5

1567
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,640
years.

1568
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,920
June 21st June 2021, there was a safety

1569
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,040
audit conducted by the city's insurance

1570
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,320
company. Items were not addressed in a

1571
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,160
timely manner and were brought up during

1572
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,480
meetings with the city later on that

1573
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:25,110
were still not taken care of.

1574
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,720
March 5th, 2026, another safety audit

1575
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,480
was completed. As Pete Robins and I met

1576
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:33,240
with the inspector and we walked the

1577
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,320
track.

1578
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,080
There were several similar safety

1579
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,680
hazards that had still not had been

1580
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,720
repaired in the past 5 years.

1581
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,480
Mr. Robins promised the inspector that

1582
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,280
he would get the loading dock fixed in a

1583
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,200
timely manner

1584
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,440
because safety was a top priority to the

1585
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:53,080
train club.

1586
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,560
The inspector did not put that on

1587
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,240
the report since he was he told the

1588
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,160
inspector it was going to be done in a

1589
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:04,270
timely manner and was very convincing.

1590
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,520
Mr. Robins was on the news last Saturday

1591
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,520
and said the train club has never had an

1592
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,720
accident.

1593
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:15,520
What happened April 16th, 2016?

1594
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,360
The train turned over.

1595
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,120
Mr. Robins has said that he didn't know

1596
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:24,710
about the safety concerns on the news.

1597
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,000
When I spoke to Parker Christensen on

1598
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,360
the phone April 7th, he told me most of

1599
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,360
the safety hazards would not be able to

1600
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,600
be fixed until after May or June this

1601
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:35,800
summer

1602
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:36,960
since they didn't have the tractor

1603
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,120
available or personnel until that time.

1604
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,640
I mentioned to him

1605
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,760
run days would start in July

1606
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,400
is what I'm hearing.

1607
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:48,640
He said

1608
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,520
what items need to be fixed for us to

1609
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:56,310
run? And I mentioned all of them.

1610
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,880
Clearly, the train club does not have

1611
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,160
the manpower, membership budget

1612
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:02,880
maintenance expertise or drive to get

1613
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,040
these changes done.

1614
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,800
It's been 15 years of unfulfilled

1615
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,040
promises and expectations that have not

1616
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,480
been met.

1617
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:12,480
The city cannot spend more resources

1618
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,520
hand-holding the train club.

1619
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,480
How long will these safety issues go

1620
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:19,480
unaddressed?

1621
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:21,640
When someone gets hurt

1622
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,080
what's the plan?

1623
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,280
We have two reports with the exact same

1624
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,640
safety hazards.

1625
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,040
With this history in my experience

1626
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,160
as a steward over the parks and wanting

1627
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:35,760
to make sure that they are safe and

1628
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,280
maintained

1629
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,640
it is my recommendation to the council

1630
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,080
to terminate the agreement with the

1631
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,960
train club.

1632
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,440
Move forward with a safe and

1633
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:47,040
well-maintained park.

1634
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,080
If you have any further questions, I'm

1635
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,790
happy to answer them.

1636
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,600
» Shay, thank you. Anyone have questions?

1637
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:56,680
>> They might come up.

1638
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:57,880
>> Excuse me.

1639
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:58,640
>> Yeah.

1640
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,000
>> Shay, also Shay, open

1641
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:00,520
>> Thank you.

1642
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:06,710
>> You're welcome.

1643
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,320
» All right, council. You heard from

1644
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,000
everyone here.

1645
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,760
I might just add before we

1646
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,080
uh go any further that

1647
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,520
as being mayor for 5 years

1648
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,720
uh pretty much uh items that Shay

1649
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,160
has mentioned is what has taken place.

1650
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:25,560
I've been very disappointed with the

1651
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,760
train club. We have quarterly, we have

1652
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,960
yearly meetings with them.

1653
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,040
We've met them down at the train

1654
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:33,320
uh park

1655
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,440
and uh walked the track and made

1656
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:39,720
suggestions to them. And uh very little

1657
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,480
have they done. And if they it's gotten

1658
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:44,200
done, it's because we've

1659
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:45,800
stayed on them and stayed on them and

1660
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:51,360
stayed on them to uh to do it. Uh

1661
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,320
the violations were the just like she

1662
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,880
said, we had them 4 years ago.

1663
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:57,520
4 years later, we've still got the same

1664
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,960
violations.

1665
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:02,840
That's my biggest concern. Uh we as a

1666
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,120
city council have uh it's our obligation

1667
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,480
to keep everyone safe

1668
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:10,360
in our parks and throughout the city,

1669
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,000
and that's what we're trying to do. It's

1670
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,040
not that we don't enjoy the uh the train

1671
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,360
club, we do. We have the same feelings

1672
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:17,840
that you guys have towards the train

1673
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,680
club. Everybody enjoys it, but we cannot

1674
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,560
overlook these violations, and they need

1675
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:24,640
to be

1676
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,560
taken care of. And we met with them, we

1677
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,120
told them when we received the

1678
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,480
violations this year, we would give them

1679
01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:33,720
uh 30 days, I believe it was, to correct

1680
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,520
them. Uh after 30 days, very little had

1681
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,000
been done. And we were

1682
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,280
uh

1683
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,360
told that it was going to be

1684
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,520
June, July before they could get a a

1685
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,000
backhoe to take care of some of them,

1686
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,320
and then we just can't postpone it. When

1687
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,120
you have safety issues like this, they

1688
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,960
need to be addressed.

1689
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,760
And

1690
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,160
so my observation with these guys are

1691
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,000
great guys. They love the train club.

1692
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,440
They love to do their work. The problem

1693
01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:05,000
that they've got is they're

1694
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:06,960
lacking with funds. They don't have the

1695
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,400
money to take care of the repairs that

1696
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,200
are needed, and they don't have the

1697
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,880
support from their members to come out

1698
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,800
and to help them

1699
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,400
pull weeds, and clean the park, and do

1700
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,760
the maintenance that's required. And

1701
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,960
that that's what

1702
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,200
I feel that the problem is. It's not

1703
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,400
that they don't want to, it's that they

1704
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,520
need help. And being a small club like

1705
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,160
this, I don't know if they're capable of

1706
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,480
doing that.

1707
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:40,520
That's my observation of it, and

1708
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,840
Council, I'll turn the time to you to

1709
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:44,640
for any remarks or questions that you'd

1710
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:51,830
like to make.

1711
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,710
» No, sir.

1712
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,350
I mean

1713
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,760
I will say, Pete, until you stood up

1714
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,120
I was all in favor of keeping it, but

1715
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,760
you reminded me of how much I fought

1716
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,720
with everybody for 10 years the last 10

1717
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:06,840
years.

1718
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,880
And that's been the that's been the just

1719
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,200
so the public understands it

1720
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:12,880
that's what we've been dealing with.

1721
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,040
It's always just blaming

1722
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,560
and never doing. I mean, I I literally

1723
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,200
my first job as council member was to be

1724
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,320
on the parks committee.

1725
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,560
And one

1726
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:25,960
they didn't have an updated agreement,

1727
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,200
Ange and I would and the current city

1728
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,120
staff had to come up with a new

1729
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,320
agreement.

1730
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:33,720
And

1731
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,720
the contention that's been in the room

1732
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:36,720
every

1733
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,800
train club meeting, we met quarterly at

1734
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,910
that time.

1735
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,200
I mean

1736
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:44,880
and yes, John's my neighbor, but we

1737
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,720
fought.

1738
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:48,520
And it was crazy. I mean, here we're

1739
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:50,400
trying to keep a park here that the the

1740
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,840
city has donated 35,000 to have here.

1741
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,120
So, the fact that you say we haven't

1742
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,120
donated anything

1743
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,280
is false.

1744
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,000
Thanks to Mayor Peterson in the back, we

1745
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,160
gave 35,000 so the train club even

1746
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:05,840
exists.

1747
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,840
Or it wouldn't be in the park.

1748
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,800
You couldn't afford the track.

1749
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,600
And that's a fact.

1750
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,750
So

1751
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:18,200
you you really reminded me of the

1752
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,760
contention that has happened here.

1753
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,800
And it and it boiled my blood and boiled

1754
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,280
everybody's blood up here because

1755
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,240
that's how we're treated when we ask for

1756
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,040
something to be done in those meetings.

1757
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,360
Every single time.

1758
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:34,520
So, for everybody to say this is

1759
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,240
happening overnight and getting stabbed

1760
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:37,640
in the back,

1761
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:38,960
well, then you sure haven't been paying

1762
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,440
attention for the last 10 years that

1763
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:43,080
I've been involved.

1764
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,830
So,

1765
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,080
I'm in favor of keeping the train park.

1766
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:50,680
I'm not in favor of the way your club

1767
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:54,390
deals with the city.

1768
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,120
So,

1769
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,320
I I wish I could have heard from

1770
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:00,840
Mayor Peterson and maybe his point of

1771
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:02,400
view cuz he lives there. He helped fund

1772
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,720
it, he helped start it. I see the vision

1773
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,840
of what was there and why it needed to

1774
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,160
be there.

1775
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,800
Um but our city can't afford to do some

1776
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,840
of the areas in the park. I get why you

1777
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,360
haven't been able to do a lot of them,

1778
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,520
but you could maintain what's there.

1779
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,640
And I even tried to help you figure out

1780
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,000
how to get rid of the weeds without

1781
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,160
standing out there on your knees and

1782
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,160
pulling them. You can spend $79 on

1783
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,320
Roundup just like I do in my pasture.

1784
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:35,800
So, but if you can't afford that,

1785
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,000
then we got a whole other problem.

1786
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,800
So, I I don't know where I'm at,

1787
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,120
council, on it, to be honest with you. I

1788
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,080
If it If it stays,

1789
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,760
I think something drastically has to

1790
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,840
change.

1791
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,480
And it isn't just pulling the weeds, and

1792
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:52,360
it isn't It's It's It's a no bigger

1793
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:53,920
overall picture

1794
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,080
with the train club

1795
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,320
has to change.

1796
01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:59,240
So,

1797
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,600
>> Thank you, Blair. I appreciate that, and

1798
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,840
to piggyback on that, um

1799
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,880
I just was taking notes of all of the

1800
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,600
public comment, and I I listened to all

1801
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,240
of it, and I considered all of it. And

1802
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,200
when we have had meetings like Blair has

1803
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,000
said, it is contentious and we're trying

1804
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,880
to be a team. So, I I felt like we have

1805
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,440
worked with the train club for so long

1806
01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:26,880
and that's why things have gone so long

1807
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,040
without being remedied because we're

1808
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,680
told that they will work on this or

1809
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,080
they'll work on that. So, we give them

1810
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,360
time and the deadline passes and it's

1811
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,600
not finished. This has been our history

1812
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,320
with the train club.

1813
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,640
And my biggest concern as a steward over

1814
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,000
the city is I'm in charge of safety and

1815
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,880
tax money. And I know people work hard

1816
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,840
for their taxes that they pay.

1817
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,560
So, it doesn't seem fair for people to

1818
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,680
have to pay taxes to maintain an amenity

1819
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,360
that was started by a club that the

1820
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,160
city's already invested money in.

1821
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:00,840
I don't see any money in our parks

1822
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,280
budget for us to take over operations.

1823
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:04,600
And I have

1824
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,680
seriously thought of every conceivable

1825
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,440
solution to this. Every different way we

1826
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:12,560
could work together. Out of the box.

1827
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,720
What if we take over operations? What if

1828
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,480
we contract with them and they do the

1829
01:29:17,480 --> 01:29:21,080
operations and we do the maintenance?

1830
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:22,600
Every single solution ended up with the

1831
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,760
city having to take over and the city

1832
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,120
simply doesn't have the funds for it.

1833
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:28,960
I don't want the train to go. I know

1834
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,160
that people love it. It's very fun. But

1835
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,400
when we have impalement and that was the

1836
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,000
what the insurance

1837
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:36,920
um

1838
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,400
the gentleman from the our insurance the

1839
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,600
trust said, those switches aren't just

1840
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,920
tripping hazards. They're impalements.

1841
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,760
That that

1842
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,000
the lawsuit that could be brought up to

1843
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,440
the city is a waste of our funds. And I

1844
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:53,520
don't feel like it's appropriate for

1845
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,720
people to be for the city to be leaving

1846
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,840
us at risk of wasting taxpayer funds if

1847
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:00,560
there's safety issues that just are not

1848
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,720
being met.

1849
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,830
Um

1850
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,920
Uh like Blair said, we've had I I mean,

1851
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,000
I was just listening to these meetings

1852
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,200
and and excuses after excuses. I want

1853
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,320
you guys to be successful. I truly do. I

1854
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:17,480
know that people think that I don't. I

1855
01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:18,520
do.

1856
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,960
But, I feel like it is just too much

1857
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:22,280
money for us.

1858
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,160
Um, and

1859
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,080
if I recall, Blair, correct correct me

1860
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,880
if I'm wrong, we were told

1861
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,560
that the staff couldn't bring, um,

1862
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,360
when we met one of our earlier meetings,

1863
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,640
that city staff could not bring their

1864
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,560
mowers by the track because they were

1865
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,920
damaging the rail. And that is why the

1866
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,680
train club is supposed to maintain

1867
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:45,520
the, you know, however many feet

1868
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:46,000
>> on it.

1869
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,640
>> from the trails from the tracks.

1870
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,760
So, it's not that this park was

1871
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,840
maintaining that, but that we were told

1872
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,720
in no uncertain terms that we were

1873
01:30:57,720 --> 01:30:59,440
ruining their track, and so we needed to

1874
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:01,760
get out. And that's that's where we're

1875
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,120
at. We have this a city park funded by

1876
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,840
public funds, and we have a club funded

1877
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,920
by, you know, however many members with

1878
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,480
a limited budget, and we're trying to

1879
01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:16,240
have this cohesive relationship, and

1880
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,320
it's not working.

1881
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,320
So, it's not that I want it to go, and

1882
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:21,960
something would have to change if it

1883
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,280
stays, but I just I don't see any way

1884
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:32,750
for it to continue as is.

1885
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,030
» Thomas.

1886
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,760
All eyes looking down on me, so I guess

1887
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,200
I'll take the mic for a second.

1888
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:39,600
>> Okay.

1889
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:40,800
>> Um,

1890
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,640
thank you all for being here today. I

1891
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,320
appreciate

1892
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,280
yours.

1893
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:50,910
I am on the Parks Committee, all right.

1894
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,200
I don't have much

1895
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,990
We appreciate that sharing.

1896
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:58,560
» My turn?

1897
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,720
>> I thought it was.

1898
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:02,680
Don't ask me to repeat what I just

1899
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,120
Welcome everybody. I'll repeat that

1900
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,510
part. Um

1901
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,800
I get the sense uh the emotional aspect

1902
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,000
here and I'm trying not to get too much

1903
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:12,320
involved in the emotions and trying to

1904
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,040
take the emotions out of this.

1905
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:16,280
Obviously, there's some animosities on

1906
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,560
both sides that were expressed.

1907
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,320
That's unfortunate.

1908
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,680
I think the park was established as a

1909
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,240
train park. It also has ball parks, ball

1910
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:28,400
fields, playgrounds, other amenities, uh

1911
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,360
but it's an attraction and it was

1912
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,040
developed around that. Uh obviously,

1913
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,400
there are visions and dreams to make it

1914
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,160
pristine. They haven't happened.

1915
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:37,320
Why they haven't happened, I'm not going

1916
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,800
to here start pointing fingers. It

1917
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:40,080
doesn't matter.

1918
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:41,520
They're not there.

1919
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,320
Um

1920
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,480
I was concerned reading the materials to

1921
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:47,200
why certain

1922
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,840
insurance items and impalements had not

1923
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,040
been addressed in 5 years.

1924
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:53,480
That's a concern.

1925
01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:56,160
The weeds

1926
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,160
It's a park. We can maintain the park.

1927
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:00,840
Now, I hadn't heard that we can't Sorry,

1928
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,040
Joel, I can't ask you to vote yet.

1929
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:04,920
Councillor Woman Page, you might I I did

1930
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,000
not know that we were not allowed to mow

1931
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,560
next to the tracks.

1932
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:10,960
Uh if that's the true statement, I'm not

1933
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:12,920
saying it's not, but if we can't do

1934
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:14,000
that, we should be able to come up with

1935
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,160
some some ideas to what we can do here.

1936
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,640
I think it needs to stay, but I you

1937
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:19,880
know, I don't think it's going to cost a

1938
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,320
fortune to have to maintain.

1939
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:23,280
Although, it's going to cost some

1940
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,320
monies, uh but I think that's what

1941
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:26,840
people moved here for.

1942
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,560
Uh I think that's some people do benefit

1943
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,600
from that as part of the park.

1944
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:33,160
Um but I think we got to come to some

1945
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:34,920
uh consolidation or considerations

1946
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,280
between the two. What that is, I'm

1947
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,400
struggling with as well. I don't know

1948
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,320
what I don't have a solution.

1949
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:42,280
Um

1950
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:46,040
I think throwing it out the wall out the door and reestablishing the park

1951
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:47,200
for something else is probably not the

1952
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,400
immediate response right now.

1953
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:50,480
But you guys have been working on it for

1954
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:51,920
10 years, so I don't know what that that

1955
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,640
plan might be, either.

1956
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,760
Uh obviously, we needed another attitude

1957
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:57,920
internally

1958
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,800
with some of attitudes toward the the

1959
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:00,960
train club. I think there's some

1960
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,760
attitudes on the train club

1961
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:04,520
that need to be modified quite quickly

1962
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,400
if this is going to move forward.

1963
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,360
Um and I think we need to raise to a

1964
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,760
higher level so that we can both live

1965
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:12,520
in that park and enjoy it.

1966
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,160
One op- one option I'll throw to the

1967
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,200
council is we take over the maintenance

1968
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:17,840
of the entire park including the tracks,

1969
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,480
whatever that might be.

1970
01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:20,760
It might mean the use of their

1971
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,120
facilities in order to use spray weeds

1972
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:24,400
along the tracks or do something like

1973
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,080
that which you should accommodate if

1974
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,880
we're going to help maintain the weeds.

1975
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,840
But I also think uh they need to take

1976
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,360
all this staff, all these people right

1977
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:34,360
here,

1978
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:35,880
have a volunteer day.

1979
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:37,280
You can get rid of all your problems

1980
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:38,960
real quickly so they can continue to

1981
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,200
enjoy. I mean you were real quick to get

1982
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:42,880
this into the court of public opinion,

1983
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,120
but

1984
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:45,360
where's the action when it comes to

1985
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,600
addressing some of these items? I would like to see

1986
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:51,120
10% of that effort put toward,

1987
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,280
you know, the maintenance aspect of it

1988
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:54,800
and not the criticism of what we're

1989
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,720
doing or not doing to help you out.

1990
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,600
Those are your feelings. I respect those

1991
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,160
feelings, but we're not going to get

1992
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:02,280
anywhere if we're going to keep tearing

1993
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:03,680
each other down.

1994
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:05,120
If you want the park to remain, I'm here

1995
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:06,320
to try to help support it, but we got to

1996
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:07,760
come to a higher ground as to what

1997
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,400
they're going to do. Otherwise, we're

1998
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,000
not going to be able to survive.

1999
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,880
We have an investment

2000
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,560
in those parks. I think we need to

2001
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,480
support that investment, but how we do

2002
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:19,760
that, I don't have an answer other than

2003
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:21,760
we might need to take over some of the

2004
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,000
grounds aspect if we can.

2005
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,200
Uh it's going to cost us some some

2006
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:27,640
additional dollars.

2007
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,080
Maybe we have contract operators, those

2008
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:32,320
who operate the trains.

2009
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,240
They write a contract with the city and

2010
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:35,880
have certain responsibilities in regards

2011
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,680
to liability and so forth. Pay a nominal

2012
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,320
annual fee that can go towards

2013
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,520
staff maintaining the weeds and things

2014
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,120
of that nature. We can discuss a mutual

2015
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:46,880
respons- uh mutual relationship that

2016
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,040
way, but

2017
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,480
um I think we got to find a win-win uh

2018
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,520
win-lose aspect here and I don't don't

2019
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:53,880
know other than that what that might be.

2020
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,800
So, I'm still thinking on it, but that's

2021
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,790
where I'm at.

2022
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,880
» Councilor Dale.

2023
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:05,030
>> Um,

2024
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:06,520
last year,

2025
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,760
um, was my first year not on the,

2026
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:11,120
uh, Parks Committee.

2027
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:15,280
The 5 years before that, um, I had the

2028
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,040
opportunity

2029
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,640
to work with the train club and its

2030
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,280
members.

2031
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,440
And the very first session

2032
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:27,360
that we all attended,

2033
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,200
um,

2034
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:33,480
I said multiple times,

2035
01:36:33,480 --> 01:36:36,800
"Past is the past. Stop it."

2036
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,400
Okay, there were a lot of things done on

2037
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,400
both sides that didn't get done.

2038
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,760
And instead of dealing with it like

2039
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,280
adults, both sides

2040
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:49,760
thought that

2041
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,320
those who yelled the most was going to

2042
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,120
get the best response.

2043
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,240
That caused animosity and all kinds of

2044
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:57,520
problems.

2045
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,120
But,

2046
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:02,280
after those, or through those 5 years, I

2047
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:06,040
watched the train club change.

2048
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:07,760
They worked with us.

2049
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,160
We got a new contract, went through the

2050
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,240
contract, made sure that the city was

2051
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,080
covered legally, made sure that everyone

2052
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,960
was taken care of.

2053
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,560
It was a good contract.

2054
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,640
In it, it allowed us to go on and charge

2055
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:25,120
fines for when things are going wrong.

2056
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:26,360
But, as one of the people that was

2057
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:28,680
working on that, I can look back now and

2058
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,600
see the big failure that I take credit

2059
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:32,640
for.

2060
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,040
And that is that

2061
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,200
the train club

2062
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,920
is a group of hobbyists.

2063
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,320
And they are very sincere in what they

2064
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:43,680
do.

2065
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,880
And

2066
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,280
while they are

2067
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,200
great at trains,

2068
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,200
they are miserable at weeders.

2069
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:54,400
Um

2070
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,600
and

2071
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,200
they're miserable at

2072
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,640
engineering bridges.

2073
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:02,800
And they're miserable at engineering all

2074
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,800
kinds of other new additions to the

2075
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,480
city.

2076
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:08,640
Matter of fact, it's funny. We keep on

2077
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,400
going back and saying, you know, they

2078
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:11,720
were going to do this. They were going

2079
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:13,880
to do this. And yet in those meetings I

2080
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:15,320
saw a number of times as they would try

2081
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:19,120
to bring something for us to deal with.

2082
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:20,000
We'd say, "Well, we need some

2083
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,880
engineering plans."

2084
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,320
They're not engineers.

2085
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:25,000
And they definitely couldn't afford

2086
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,040
engineering plans.

2087
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,240
What this gets down to in my opinion,

2088
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,880
and I understand that this is just

2089
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:37,880
a perspective of mine, but

2090
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,920
I think the city has to take one step

2091
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:44,640
forward of realizing, do we want a train

2092
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,240
park? Regardless of anything else. We

2093
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,280
have a park down there, and it is our

2094
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:50,840
responsibility to take care of that

2095
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:51,880
park.

2096
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:53,120
And when we sit here and say, "Well,

2097
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:55,360
we're so worried about all of these

2098
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,240
issues that could endanger persons." Um

2099
01:38:58,240 --> 01:38:59,160
then we should have been out there

2100
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,120
getting that thing fixed immediately.

2101
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:02,560
And if we needed to charge the train

2102
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:04,760
club or do something else, that's fine.

2103
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:05,760
But

2104
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:08,000
if there is issues with the park that we

2105
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,720
feel are that dangerous, it is our

2106
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:14,480
responsibility as it is our fiduciary

2107
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:15,520
duty

2108
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:16,720
to make sure that those things don't

2109
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:17,960
happen.

2110
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:19,640
Now, if we move forward with the train

2111
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,720
club,

2112
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,880
we're going to run into those again.

2113
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:25,600
There's still going to be more. I've

2114
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,320
never seen an audit that doesn't come up

2115
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,000
with something.

2116
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:30,480
But that means that we're going to have

2117
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:34,200
to say, "Okay, this is what we as a city

2118
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,800
have declared this is going to be a

2119
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:38,680
train park." And that means some of it

2120
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:40,480
has to be on our end. We're the experts

2121
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:42,400
at that.

2122
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:43,560
And the things that we're expert at,

2123
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,280
let's do it. I mean, the weeding, we put

2124
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:47,800
that into the contract because it wasn't

2125
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,720
ever being done.

2126
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,120
Can they cut around the areas with

2127
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:55,080
stone? Yes, they can.

2128
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,080
Does it cause additional issues? Sure.

2129
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,000
There are a place There's a triangle

2130
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,000
place that the big lawnmowers can't get

2131
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,960
into. It's a one little triangle area, I

2132
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,280
understand that. Fine.

2133
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:07,880
Then as the city, that's our

2134
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,240
responsibility to go in and say, "Okay,

2135
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:11,920
then what are we going to do to this?

2136
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:13,600
Are we going to gravel it?

2137
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:14,880
and put trees

2138
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,920
in it?" Whatever we want to do, but I

2139
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,080
think there's a difference. When we look

2140
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,520
at the

2141
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,040
um soccer

2142
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,720
fields that we have here, or the

2143
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,440
baseball diamond that just cost us an

2144
01:40:26,440 --> 01:40:28,240
over what, a million something it seemed

2145
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,920
like to be able to resurface that,

2146
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,000
rebuild it.

2147
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,800
Well, that was ours.

2148
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,120
We weren't getting any money out of it,

2149
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:38,800
but guess what? A regional tournament

2150
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:40,560
always goes on there.

2151
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,680
We have city leagues that play there.

2152
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,120
I wouldn't expect the pitcher to go out

2153
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:47,280
and make his own mound.

2154
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:49,360
As a matter of fact, I'm sure that

2155
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:50,800
Curtis would be pretty upset if one ever

2156
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,240
tried.

2157
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:53,960
We have standards in the city that we

2158
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,080
have to follow.

2159
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:57,240
And

2160
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,590
I'm just saying that

2161
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,000
he said, she said, good, bad, it's time

2162
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,360
for us to decide number one, we want the

2163
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,200
park to have the train. There's We'd be

2164
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,360
one of three in the entire state that I

2165
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:11,520
know of.

2166
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,400
We got Sarasota, we got St. George who

2167
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,400
is actually run completely by the city,

2168
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:17,520
and then

2169
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,000
us.

2170
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:21,360
We haven't had to pay, you know, check

2171
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:22,840
Sarasota Springs if you want to find out

2172
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,400
how much they have to pay

2173
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:27,200
for their park to be constantly

2174
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:28,520
maintained. We've never had those kind

2175
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:29,960
of issues. We've never had to get into

2176
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:32,640
there, but we have kept the train

2177
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,600
hobbyist at such a push away distance

2178
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,360
from the city and do a lot of this is

2179
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,600
theirs, this is ours. And I like what

2180
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,840
you said, Wayne. We have to figure out

2181
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,200
if they can't do it, it still falls on

2182
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:48,240
us.

2183
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:50,880
If we kick them out today and spend an

2184
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,760
exorbitant amount of money to rip out

2185
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:54,960
the track, rip out the

2186
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,680
gate, the signal gate, um and then

2187
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:01,920
either leave it plain dirt or pave it or

2188
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,880
whatever we're going to to see, that's a

2189
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,760
huge cost for us. Matter of fact, if

2190
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,680
I would bet that that's much bigger cost

2191
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,520
than what it would be for us to just

2192
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,320
handle the park as if it was our own

2193
01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:15,520
park that we were taking care of

2194
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:16,520
and then

2195
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:17,960
leasing it

2196
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,400
to a hobbyist group. And I for one, uh

2197
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:22,880
these are called

2198
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,880
public private um

2199
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:27,400
partnerships.

2200
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:29,280
They're all over. This isn't something

2201
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:32,080
new we're inventing here. So, if we did

2202
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:33,360
something like that where we just said,

2203
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,200
"Okay, this is our park to protect our

2204
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:36,360
citizens. We're going to take care of

2205
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,480
these kind of issues on it because we

2206
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:40,880
want a group of

2207
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,680
train-crazy people to be able to ride

2208
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:45,720
the train as much as they want, to be

2209
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:49,000
able to come out and enjoy their hobby,

2210
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:51,120
then that's what we need to do.

2211
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:52,680
I for one believe that's what we ought

2212
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:54,320
to do. I think that

2213
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,440
the unique

2214
01:42:56,440 --> 01:42:58,720
marketing opportunity that South Weber

2215
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:00,840
has, I mean, I I I don't take it quite

2216
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,720
as far as, you know, then we don't have

2217
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:07,800
the need for a park. But, I do say that

2218
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:10,440
if they come in and when I was looking

2219
01:43:10,440 --> 01:43:14,040
just on um Facebook, we have everyone

2220
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,680
from Sandy, Logan, West Jordan, all of

2221
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:18,280
these people that were calling or

2222
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,320
writing in saying, "I come there every

2223
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,400
once in a while for this."

2224
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,000
That's a huge distance to have people

2225
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,360
come in, go past our Maverick,

2226
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:28,680
buy a drink probably, fill up with gas

2227
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,680
if they need to, go buy Burly Burger,

2228
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:32,840
and at least they get the market

2229
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:34,800
recognition. Heck, now all of these

2230
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:36,400
people know that we've got a General RV

2231
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:37,480
here that they probably wouldn't have

2232
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:38,920
known of before.

2233
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,040
There's a lot of draw to it that doesn't

2234
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,430
cost us.

2235
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:46,400
There are things that we could provide

2236
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:48,360
and I think that we should.

2237
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:49,680
Um

2238
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:50,920
I mean

2239
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:51,760
uh

2240
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,480
if if I could make a suggestion, I would

2241
01:43:55,480 --> 01:43:57,000
say

2242
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:00,680
we do not terminate the South Weaver

2243
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:04,000
Motor Railroad Club agreement.

2244
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,160
But

2245
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:06,840
I would say that we

2246
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,520
either table it

2247
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:10,800
or

2248
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:14,040
uh continue it for 90 days.

2249
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,160
So that at least we can say, "Okay,

2250
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,080
this this time it's time to put rubber

2251
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:21,880
to the road on both sides and say, this

2252
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,480
isn't all your responsibility."

2253
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:26,000
If your train goes away, the park's

2254
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:27,280
going to run it and do everything

2255
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,040
anyway. So I don't see an additional

2256
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:33,080
cost of having some things taken over.

2257
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,080
There are issues that we've got. We've

2258
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:38,400
got a horrible storage center. Um

2259
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:42,240
the uh Conex ex-train thing.

2260
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,920
Um it doesn't hold the

2261
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:45,520
uh

2262
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,160
tracks.

2263
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:48,760
Maybe ought to start running twice a

2264
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:50,560
month.

2265
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,000
I know that citizens would love it. I

2266
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,480
know that everybody else who enjoys it

2267
01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:55,960
would love it and earn enough money to

2268
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:57,840
be able to buy an actual storage

2269
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,080
building.

2270
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:00,920
Running electricity and water out to

2271
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:02,800
them, that's We know exactly where

2272
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,400
that's going to go and how that's going

2273
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,280
to impact the rest of uh that park's

2274
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:08,760
development.

2275
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,200
So I don't know why we had turned that

2276
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,760
over to a bunch of people that

2277
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:14,880
know how to put water for steam engines,

2278
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,440
but not probably a new metering system.

2279
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:19,000
And we can meter it.

2280
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,560
We can meter the electricity and the

2281
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:21,640
water.

2282
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:23,800
I'm just trying to say

2283
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:27,720
I don't care who what said before.

2284
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:29,600
If the city has the ability to protect

2285
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,320
our own citizens, that's on us and we

2286
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:33,600
need to go out there and do that. If the

2287
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:36,520
train club is causing danger to our

2288
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,440
citizens, yeah, we're not going to allow

2289
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:40,400
that. Sorry.

2290
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:41,840
Um no matter how much we love and

2291
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,040
respect the idea of that park.

2292
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:46,680
Um but

2293
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:48,400
I think the city needs to step up and

2294
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:51,160
also say, "Okay, here's how you fix that

2295
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:55,040
giant bolt that's sitting and protruding

2296
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,240
out."

2297
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:57,720
You know, whether that means it has to

2298
01:45:57,720 --> 01:45:59,840
be cut with a special saw,

2299
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:01,720
welded away, or you just do a whole lot

2300
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:03,880
of gap around it. I don't know. I'm not

2301
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:05,760
an engineer, either. But I think the

2302
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:07,480
city needs to take that responsibility

2303
01:46:07,480 --> 01:46:09,240
and recognize we're experts at one

2304
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:12,040
thing, you guys are experts at another,

2305
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,200
and just like we do with the family

2306
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:16,200
activity center, with renting places for

2307
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:19,320
private people, um we look at this and

2308
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:22,360
say, "We want this train to last

2309
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:25,640
forever." Stop going on the short term.

2310
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:26,880
If they don't do this, then they're

2311
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:27,840
gone.

2312
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:29,600
We'll work together to make sure it

2313
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:30,920
happens.

2314
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,080
But again, I'm one person. I'm just

2315
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,280
recommending at least if nothing else,

2316
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,160
let's take a 90-day

2317
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:40,320
to re-look at this and say,

2318
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,400
"Okay, how could we do this better?"

2319
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,520
Not to go down the same route again.

2320
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,240
It's not working.

2321
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,600
So how could we do this better?

2322
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:51,720
That's my suggestion. Thank you.

2323
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:53,800
>> Well, Joel, I agree that it needs to be

2324
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:55,560
done better, but I have to be quite

2325
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,280
honest, I'm frustrated at your comments

2326
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:00,760
because you were the parks chair for

2327
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:03,120
that long, and now when you're not the

2328
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,640
parks chair, now you're saying how

2329
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:08,160
amiable you are to making you know, have

2330
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:09,880
the city take on it all this

2331
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:11,880
responsibility. Not once did you bring

2332
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:13,680
that up to city council and say this was

2333
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:14,920
a parks priority.

2334
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:16,160
>> No, we had a separate committee for all

2335
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:18,200
of those kind of things.

2336
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:19,600
That's where most of the discussions all

2337
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,520
happened in, just like they happened in

2338
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:22,480
yours.

2339
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:23,560
And

2340
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:24,280
we talked to them

2341
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:27,400
>> saying though is I feel like right now

2342
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,200
you are portraying to everyone here

2343
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,560
that why why can't we just make this

2344
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:34,320
work? Well, the fact of the matter is if

2345
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,640
we take on the responsibility of the

2346
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:37,600
track

2347
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:38,080
>> Not the track.

2348
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:39,520
>> And I

2349
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,200
then what are you telling them to then

2350
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:42,800
what are you referring to? Because you

2351
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,000
said the city takes on the maintenance

2352
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,320
of the park. It's our park.

2353
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:46,680
>> That's right, the park. So, I would

2354
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:48,960
consider that the infrastructure itself.

2355
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:50,440
>> So, the what should be the track? The

2356
01:47:50,440 --> 01:47:51,440
track's part of the

2357
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:52,880
>> The track sits on top of it and like we

2358
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,320
said we can pull that at any time.

2359
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:57,680
Um I don't think that our guys know how

2360
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,040
to do the three-level ballast and run

2361
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:02,760
the tracks along it. I think that is

2362
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:04,200
something for the club to have to deal

2363
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:05,080
with.

2364
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:06,600
And they have to deal with it, pay for

2365
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:08,000
it, and get it done.

2366
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:09,840
And they don't run without

2367
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:10,640
uh

2368
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:13,840
that kind of level of dedication to it.

2369
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,200
But

2370
01:48:15,200 --> 01:48:17,160
I think the park is ours. It should

2371
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:18,040
always be ours.

2372
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:19,400
>> That's that's the whole point. That's

2373
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:21,080
why we're even having this discussion.

2374
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:24,040
>> So, what items are you thinking that the

2375
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:27,640
train park is doing now that we would

2376
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:29,120
take over and do?

2377
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:29,560
>> Well, I think

2378
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:30,480
>> They're not having them.

2379
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:32,040
>> Yeah, I think that's a good question.

2380
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:33,080
So,

2381
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:34,400
part of what we need to do is look at

2382
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:35,720
this as this is one that's going to be

2383
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:37,840
our permanent park. It's going to be a

2384
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:42,800
train park and the tracks are going to

2385
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:46,040
be managed by the people that are using

2386
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:47,000
them.

2387
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,760
Um I don't think we have that expertise

2388
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:49,880
at all.

2389
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:52,320
Um and nor do I think that the citizens

2390
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:54,880
want to take on that cost. Um we're not

2391
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,160
St. George. We don't have that kind of

2392
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:58,880
money. Um what we have instead is a

2393
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:02,240
group of volunteers, a club that wants

2394
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:05,360
to be able to lease space on top of our

2395
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,120
park. And that is what we did in that

2396
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,680
contract was we created a lease system

2397
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:14,160
where they own the responsibility and um

2398
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:18,000
tracks and we don't.

2399
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:19,760
The mistake that I made and I was fully

2400
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:23,080
apparent in it is that I don't after 5

2401
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,200
years of working with these guys and

2402
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,560
please don't take offense at this, but

2403
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,760
there's there's a lot of bad attitude

2404
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,320
and that needs to end or just not be

2405
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:34,520
part of

2406
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:38,520
the the club itself. Um

2407
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,200
or

2408
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,120
we come in it with the clean slate of we

2409
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,280
own the park, you are leasing the land

2410
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:45,680
for that track.

2411
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,240
We will take care of the amenities of

2412
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:50,080
the park itself.

2413
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:54,280
Um and anything that would take your

2414
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:56,760
train expertise

2415
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:58,200
y'all need to take care of. And if we

2416
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,720
need to define that in a new addendum to

2417
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:02,960
the contract, that's all I'm asking for.

2418
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,040
So, I I don't understand why you're

2419
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:08,760
upset with that because I'm really not

2420
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:12,520
in any way trying to um

2421
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:15,360
say that they have not done wrong. Nor

2422
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:18,040
that I'm not frustrated with them. Um I

2423
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:19,240
think the American can attest to how

2424
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:23,280
many times I have um uh stopped

2425
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:27,480
conversations because city and train

2426
01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:29,920
club were holding grudges and wouldn't

2427
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:31,760
move on past it.

2428
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,160
And if we decide fine, we're we don't

2429
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:38,440
want a a unique train club part of it,

2430
01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:40,480
fine, then let's do that. We own the

2431
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:43,560
park. We need to decide what that park

2432
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:44,720
should be.

2433
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:46,120
We can rip the train out of it and make

2434
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:48,440
it an airplane one. I don't care.

2435
01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:51,280
But if we own it and we've got people

2436
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,880
who are willing to dedicate their time

2437
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:55,320
and money

2438
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:58,880
to giving it a special unique

2439
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,920
signature to the city,

2440
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,000
I don't I don't see the problem with us

2441
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,480
being able to help them on their bridge.

2442
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:08,560
It's a public private connect um

2443
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:11,000
partnership. It's It's necessarily us

2444
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,880
just doing the work for free.

2445
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,440
>> And I I feel like that's what our

2446
01:51:16,440 --> 01:51:18,960
agreement has been up to this point. And

2447
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:20,360
if we keep doing what we're doing, we're

2448
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:21,400
going to keep getting what we're

2449
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:23,280
getting.

2450
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:29,880
The I have not I and I'm so I please accept me for what I'm saying. I

2451
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,000
have not seen this type of involvement

2452
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,880
of any of the training club members down

2453
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:35,480
there when there's issues.

2454
01:51:35,480 --> 01:51:39,120
I have taken photos myself of the park.

2455
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:41,360
My son was 9 years old and the weeds

2456
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,640
were taller than him and the excuses we

2457
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:46,120
got were, well, the sprinklers came on.

2458
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:48,080
We have to water the grass.

2459
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,080
The I couldn't get people people were

2460
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:51,840
busy. I mean, people don't want to join

2461
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,720
a club to do yard work in a public park.

2462
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,720
It's really difficult. The practicality

2463
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:59,640
of that is very difficult. Yes, yeah, we

2464
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:05,670
all recognize that. So

2465
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,892
» Please don't help me.

2466
01:52:08,892 --> 01:52:10,800
>> [laughter]

2467
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,390
>> Please.

2468
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,360
» I am I am absolutely willing to work

2469
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:17,680
with the train club. I need everyone to

2470
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:19,960
make that known. I'm absolutely willing,

2471
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:22,040
but I will not continue with how it has

2472
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,120
been going. And I need to know how we're

2473
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:25,960
going to pay for it because we have an

2474
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:28,120
another agenda item up here. Number 11

2475
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:30,080
is our budget.

2476
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,600
I don't want to have to tell everybody

2477
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:33,320
right now when gas is doubled in price

2478
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:35,080
that we have to raise taxes to pay for a

2479
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:36,520
train.

2480
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:38,240
I don't feel good about that. I don't

2481
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:40,400
feel like that is right.

2482
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,440
But if the citizens of South Weber are

2483
01:52:42,440 --> 01:52:44,360
willing to take on that financial

2484
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:45,600
burden,

2485
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,560
we could create a special tax district.

2486
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,760
Because the fact of the matter is we

2487
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,040
don't have the money for it.

2488
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,120
>> Well, the weeds is something that the

2489
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:56,800
um

2490
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:57,720
uh

2491
01:52:57,720 --> 01:52:59,560
parks department already does and they

2492
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:01,240
already do the mowing. The only

2493
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:04,800
additional cost that I can see would be

2494
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:05,880
um

2495
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:07,880
well, it would have to be that uh

2496
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:09,960
probably a few a little bit more product

2497
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:12,360
would have to be used out on it.

2498
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:14,280
would be applied to the schedule that

2499
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:17,680
the park already does for the parking

2500
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:19,720
lot and for the area around it and the

2501
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,720
bike track. Plus parking into the bike

2502
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:23,640
track. Um,

2503
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:27,080
and so I think the money for that

2504
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:28,960
for the city to take over it would be

2505
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:30,240
nominal.

2506
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,120
minuscule

2507
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:34,800
compared to what it would be for us to

2508
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,040
rip it out and repair it. We don't have

2509
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:38,480
that in the budget either, which means

2510
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:41,120
that the tracks and the ballast would

2511
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:43,360
all be there for at least a year until

2512
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:44,520
we could

2513
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:47,040
come up with something more. So

2514
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,560
But I know you're not against them. I I don't want you to assume that. I don't

2515
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:52,520
think anybody is against them. I think

2516
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:54,680
we want and I wish

2517
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:56,280
that the the train committee would

2518
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:58,440
really understand. We all want this to

2519
01:53:58,440 --> 01:54:00,080
be successful.

2520
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,680
My grandkids rode that St. George train

2521
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:04,640
every day we were down there this past

2522
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:05,680
week.

2523
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:08,080
The Sarasota Springs one?

2524
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:10,200
No, I I didn't stop, sorry.

2525
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:10,880
Um,

2526
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:12,080
but

2527
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:13,720
we want this to be successful. This is a

2528
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:16,720
big win for our city and a big draw.

2529
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:18,640
But

2530
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:20,000
you know, either we're going to have to

2531
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:21,400
figure out a way for you guys to make

2532
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:23,280
more money by running

2533
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,080
twice a month.

2534
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:27,200
Um, which if you guys want it we can

2535
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:28,120
talk about it.

2536
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:29,600
>> That was what we originally pushed for

2537
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:30,880
and we were told that they wouldn't do

2538
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:31,520
that.

2539
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:32,360
>> Well,

2540
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:34,120
I think we're at a new compromise now

2541
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:35,240
where

2542
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:38,920
it's it's got to be some type of pay to

2543
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,080
take care of the things that you have.

2544
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:42,920
And on areas that you guys are not the

2545
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:45,400
experts in, the city should take over

2546
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:47,160
cuz I don't really want you guys

2547
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:49,280
determining how to fix some of the

2548
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:51,640
safety issues that we have. That's what

2549
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,040
we've got professionals for.

2550
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:55,520
Um

2551
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,240
Yeah, absolutely.

2552
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,160
>> I feel like if the parks department

2553
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:01,280
takes over the weeds, we're enabling

2554
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:02,720
behavior and we're saying, "No, it's

2555
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:04,840
really okay.

2556
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:07,440
You continue down this path."

2557
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:08,960
I don't think it's

2558
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:10,960
>> No, we if we take it on, we enable their

2559
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:14,000
behavior to continue

2560
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,200
to to not maintain things. You You're

2561
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,560
saying that that they're not being

2562
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,040
maintained, and then if the Parks

2563
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:22,320
Department takes it over, then it's just

2564
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,480
saying, "Oh, I can't do it. I give up.

2565
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,000
You do it." And I don't think that's the

2566
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:31,320
right approach. And I have concern about our weed side budget, and that

2567
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:33,120
budget would definitely need to be

2568
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:34,320
increased, and there would definitely

2569
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:35,440
need to be a plan.

2570
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:36,160
>> And

2571
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:38,240
to piggyback with you, though, like the

2572
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:40,400
debris, like when they pulled the the

2573
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:42,280
ties out, they didn't just pull them out

2574
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:43,280
and

2575
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:45,320
take them away with that day.

2576
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:47,480
They railroad ties stayed in the park

2577
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:49,200
for extended periods of time. We can't

2578
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:51,760
do that. If our city staff left debris

2579
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,040
in the park, they would be reprimanded

2580
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:56,040
or more. Like, we can't We have

2581
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,040
different standards than a private

2582
01:55:58,040 --> 01:55:59,680
property, and I think that that is where

2583
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:01,560
the biggest disconnect is, even though

2584
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,080
we have tried to explain that.

2585
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:05,160
>> Yeah.

2586
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:07,520
I I I I appreciate

2587
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,200
all of what you're saying.

2588
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:12,920
Um and what you were saying. Um but

2589
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:14,280
I don't believe it's our job to

2590
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:16,200
legislate behavior.

2591
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:19,600
Um We have a park, and

2592
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:21,920
as I said, if they go away today, we're

2593
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:23,920
still 100% on the hook for the rest of

2594
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:25,040
the park.

2595
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:26,320
Um

2596
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:27,720
and I've

2597
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:28,960
at least the things that we've gone

2598
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:30,280
through, it's not the tracks that have

2599
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:31,720
been the problem.

2600
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:34,120
Um there are some safety issues on it,

2601
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:35,960
and those absolutely have to be taken.

2602
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:38,240
And in the contract, maybe it needs to

2603
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,760
say, um if any

2604
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:44,680
red flagged safety issues still exist,

2605
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:46,600
the train park can't run.

2606
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,080
That would be my responsibility as a

2607
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:51,040
city councilman to protect our citizens

2608
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:52,960
and everyone else that comes to visit. I

2609
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:54,880
don't think there's a problem with that.

2610
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,040
Um I think the main contention has been

2611
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:58,280
the weeds.

2612
01:56:58,280 --> 01:56:59,320
Um, and that's where most of the

2613
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,160
violations have come.

2614
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:04,560
And we have to decide whether

2615
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:06,080
we want to get rid of the train club

2616
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:07,920
because weeds.

2617
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:09,280
And

2618
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:10,880
I don't. I think we can still work with

2619
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:13,640
them enough to make sure that

2620
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:15,440
safety is taken care of first or they

2621
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,000
don't run.

2622
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:18,680
>> One quick comment, Blair. Sorry. I just

2623
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,560
want you I want everyone to know as much

2624
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:22,680
feedback as we've gotten about support

2625
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:24,360
for the train club, we've gotten at

2626
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:26,840
least double that complaints about the

2627
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:37,310
weeds just so everybody knows. Okay.

2628
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:38,880
» I I I don't know how to respond on that

2629
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,520
one. I'll leave that one alone.

2630
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,240
Um, the weeds are the least of my

2631
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:43,640
worries other than they are the

2632
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:46,040
complaints we've had from the neighbors,

2633
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:47,400
especially the neighbors that lived

2634
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:49,600
right on the park.

2635
01:57:49,600 --> 01:57:53,120
And one of them is a a member used to be

2636
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:55,040
a member that sat up here

2637
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:57,400
in in this meeting and another meeting

2638
01:57:57,400 --> 01:57:59,320
and he always got those he he made sure

2639
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:00,840
we all knew about those weeds and

2640
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:01,800
there's several neighbors that have

2641
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:03,960
complained about those weeds including

2642
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:07,160
one of your members who left.

2643
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:09,200
So, just just so you know, I've had

2644
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:11,680
those complaints, but the weeds are the

2645
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:15,360
least of my concerns. I agree if say if

2646
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:16,720
we had to take care of that the rest of

2647
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:18,840
the that area, it would be an added

2648
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:21,320
expense to us. I get it. It's not just

2649
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:23,680
herbicides, that kind of stuff, but to

2650
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:25,680
take the amenity out of the park is very

2651
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,120
expensive for us

2652
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:29,240
um,

2653
01:58:29,240 --> 01:58:31,440
as a city.

2654
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:33,720
Not that that's not I mean, where

2655
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:36,280
eventually we'll go, but

2656
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:38,280
I do and we've we've all talked about

2657
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:40,400
this. If it's going to continue, I do

2658
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:42,920
think the city has to maintain possibly

2659
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:44,360
the weeds,

2660
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:47,760
but that's again the minor issue to me.

2661
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:49,280
We have weeds everywhere. You can drive

2662
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:50,960
down every street around here and

2663
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:52,400
there's weeds. There's no way to keep up

2664
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:54,160
with the weeds because of the wind and

2665
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:56,000
everything else we have.

2666
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,040
It's just it's impossible.

2667
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:01,080
I have them in my own yard and it's I

2668
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:04,280
know that's bad, but um

2669
01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:06,120
it it's it's more of everything else

2670
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:09,800
that goes with it. It's a public park

2671
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:12,520
the taxpayers have paid for

2672
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:14,520
and there's many, many times where we've

2673
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:18,240
been treated by a private group as if

2674
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:19,720
it's theirs.

2675
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:22,040
It's not.

2676
01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:24,800
And until the contracts came into place

2677
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:27,720
with an actual lease to cover legalities

2678
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:29,040
of that,

2679
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:30,480
you were just

2680
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:31,960
there.

2681
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:34,720
And so you were that is to me the

2682
01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:36,200
biggest thing that has to change on this

2683
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:37,920
relationship is realizing where you're

2684
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:39,080
at.

2685
01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:41,680
You're not You're not on your own 10

2686
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:43,800
acres of ground. You're on all of the

2687
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:47,920
citizens 10 acres of ground, not mine.

2688
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:50,400
I I think it's great to have it there. I

2689
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:51,840
think we do need to decide, Joel. I

2690
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:53,680
think you're right. Do we want it Do we

2691
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:55,880
want a train park?

2692
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:59,950
I do know that was the original intent.

2693
01:59:59,960 --> 02:00:02,120
So

2694
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:03,920
I um

2695
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:05,280
I don't want to rip it out, but I don't

2696
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,000
know that us sitting up here debating

2697
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:09,160
that I would love to say your train club

2698
02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:11,800
when we can all come and sit down.

2699
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:13,640
I've tried that

2700
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:17,310
20 times.

2701
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:20,720
We You do have a new president.

2702
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:24,520
That may be a better thing. I've never personally met with you.

2703
02:00:24,520 --> 02:00:24,720
>> Yeah.

2704
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:25,720
>> So

2705
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:28,200
um it may be a better relationship. I

2706
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:31,590
don't know.

2707
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:33,520
But

2708
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,600
I I would I would expect the parks

2709
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:38,400
committee to help me understand

2710
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:39,760
and I I have a feeling I know where

2711
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:41,560
Angie wants to be.

2712
02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:44,160
But I I mean, can you can we go back and

2713
02:00:44,160 --> 02:00:48,110
make this work?

2714
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:52,680
And I would I would personally like And

2715
02:00:52,680 --> 02:00:55,440
I know we're running late, but if if

2716
02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,680
Parker wanted to take 2 minutes,

2717
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:00,040
you're the president. I'd prefer it not

2718
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:02,600
be someone else.

2719
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:06,680
Um to come up and tell us what you guys

2720
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:08,160
what your opinion is after listening to

2721
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:10,440
everything else.

2722
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:12,960
>> Yeah. Um I mean, weeds have been an

2723
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:14,120
issue.

2724
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:16,600
We have up our budget. Pete actually was

2725
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:18,120
really kind. He did a ton of research,

2726
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:19,080
went around to all these different

2727
02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:21,040
farmers around town, knocked on their

2728
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:22,800
doors, went to local

2729
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:24,400
nurseries, and he said, "What works?

2730
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:25,920
What actually kills?" And he took them

2731
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:26,960
handfuls of weeds. He's like, "What

2732
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:28,080
kills these?"

2733
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:30,200
And so we have changed our weed regime,

2734
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:31,280
you know, whatever you want to call it,

2735
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:34,040
how we um take care of them. And then

2736
02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:35,840
after the insurance thing came out, we

2737
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:37,200
actually already capped the crossing

2738
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:39,600
arms that were an impalement hazard. Um

2739
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:40,960
we had the gates ready. We've been

2740
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:42,880
trying to get all of this done as quick

2741
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:44,760
as we can, but end of the day, the only

2742
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:47,240
tractor that we own is a train. So,

2743
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:48,400
getting a tractor out there to remove

2744
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:51,080
bridges is very difficult. We built up

2745
02:01:51,080 --> 02:01:52,920
the loose bridges with dirt, and we

2746
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:55,000
really are trying to be good citizens

2747
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:59,360
and good neighbors in the park like when we are out there, Cody was with me

2748
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:02,600
not too long ago helping me do the um

2749
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:04,280
bridges, and our train is just full of

2750
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:05,520
dirt. We had some kids come over, and

2751
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:06,400
they're like, "Can we ride the train?"

2752
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:07,640
And we're like, "Give us 10 minutes." We

2753
02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:09,400
ran to the shed, took the train, pulled

2754
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:11,640
a few cars out, and we gave some rides.

2755
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:13,520
But we always follow our insurance

2756
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:15,040
practices of having two people on the

2757
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:16,880
train. And we really are all about

2758
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:18,880
safety, and we're trying to get better

2759
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:20,840
cuz we want to be a great neighbor and a

2760
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:22,400
great part of the community. We also

2761
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:23,840
want to be here for city events. I know

2762
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:25,120
there's no events out at Candy Meadows

2763
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:26,920
Park, but one thing at our beginning of

2764
02:02:26,920 --> 02:02:28,520
your meeting is we want to know when the

2765
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:30,160
events are, and we want to have the

2766
02:02:30,160 --> 02:02:31,400
trains out.

2767
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:32,640
The events might be on the other side of

2768
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:33,920
the city, but we'll still have trains

2769
02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:35,000
ready,

2770
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:36,480
members sitting,

2771
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:37,760
and if nobody's there to ride, we can at

2772
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:39,040
least be getting work done, you know?

2773
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:40,600
So.

2774
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:41,640
>> Thank you.

2775
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:42,960
I do have a question for you if you may

2776
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:43,840
step back up.

2777
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:45,520
>> Yeah, definitely.

2778
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:46,880
>> Given any discussions [clears throat]

2779
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:48,640
that you've heard on both sides and as

2780
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:50,200
president,

2781
02:02:50,200 --> 02:02:53,720
how do you perceive moving forward

2782
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:55,360
bringing this relationship forward so

2783
02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:57,360
it's less contentious and a more

2784
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,240
harmonious outcome? What are you

2785
02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:01,560
prepared to do in your leadership role

2786
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:03,160
on your side of the fence?

2787
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:05,000
>> Um so, I mean the big thing that we're

2788
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:06,640
doing is

2789
02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:07,880
we really are trying to get a lot of

2790
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:09,440
younger blood in there and introduce new

2791
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:10,960
people to the club. Working with Weber

2792
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:13,400
State is a great avenue to get younger

2793
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:15,200
people introduced. Building our own

2794
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:16,840
trains and doing kind of STEM-related

2795
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:18,800
stuff, welding train cars, designing

2796
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:20,160
them, cutting them helps us get younger

2797
02:03:20,160 --> 02:03:21,640
blood out there. So,

2798
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:23,240
one big thing is getting younger people

2799
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:25,400
involved in the younger community and

2800
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:27,320
that's one way one one one way we're

2801
02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:29,560
wanting to push it. Um and then also

2802
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:31,800
just doing more localized research on

2803
02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:33,440
things.

2804
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:36,200
>> There maybe I rephrase my question.

2805
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:37,600
How are you as a president going to

2806
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:40,120
represent your club with the city so

2807
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:41,520
it's less contentious and more

2808
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:42,320
harmonious?

2809
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:44,280
>> No, definitely. Um I mean, respect. I

2810
02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:46,680
think respect's a two-way street and

2811
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:48,560
I I mean, yelling at anybody has never

2812
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,240
gotten anybody anywhere. Even when

2813
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:52,480
contentions are high, I like to just

2814
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:54,480
everybody has something good about them.

2815
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:55,560
I mean, I like finding the good in

2816
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:57,480
people rather than just,

2817
02:03:57,480 --> 02:03:58,760
you know, pulling whatever I can out of

2818
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:00,360
my pocket from 20 years ago and being

2819
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:01,840
like, "Why is this this way?" Cuz the

2820
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:03,320
past is the past. We've got to deal with

2821
02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:05,160
what's happening now.

2822
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:06,800
You know, it's we can't change what's

2823
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:08,280
happened in the past, but we can fix our

2824
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:10,400
way going forward and I'd rather

2825
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:13,200
take the high road going forward.

2826
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:14,680
>> General question maybe for the council,

2827
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:16,000
maybe for the train club. Is there any

2828
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:17,880
reason why they struggle to get a

2829
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:19,200
backhoe?

2830
02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:21,120
Why is the city park in a city amenity

2831
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:23,520
we can't offer that service to aid in

2832
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:25,120
some of these things we're trying to get

2833
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:27,360
done? Or is that a liability that we're

2834
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:28,520
not willing to cross? I mean, if we're

2835
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:30,000
going to be a partnership and this is

2836
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:31,600
part of a

2837
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:34,240
park amenity, where do we draw that

2838
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:35,360
line? It seems like the line needs to

2839
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:37,120
shift. How far do we shift that line,

2840
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:39,320
and how much are we willing to help them

2841
02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:40,880
be successful,

2842
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:42,880
uh but not enable them given the comment

2843
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:44,080
before,

2844
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,200
uh to move forward. So, I'd like to hear

2845
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:47,560
the council, and I know staff would like

2846
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:51,470
to respond.

2847
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:53,960
» I would think that maybe if we moved in

2848
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:54,680
and

2849
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:56,800
offered to do that, we'd be doing it

2850
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,880
more than we really want to be doing it.

2851
02:04:59,880 --> 02:05:01,720
Expectations would be then that the

2852
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:04,720
city's going to take care of everything.

2853
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:07,920
So, if we go down that road,

2854
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:09,640
are we willing to go in and take care of

2855
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:13,550
everything?

2856
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:15,600
Well, that's what I think

2857
02:05:15,600 --> 02:05:19,710
expectation that they would have.

2858
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:23,880
» Yeah, I mean I mean again, that would take a total

2859
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:25,760
change of philosophy on our side as

2860
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:26,160
well.

2861
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:27,600
>> Yeah.

2862
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:30,840
>> From parks to public works, all the way

2863
02:05:30,840 --> 02:05:32,640
down.

2864
02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:35,760
Um cuz there's a lot of I mean and

2865
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:37,320
I'm not saying we shouldn't change. I'm

2866
02:05:37,320 --> 02:05:39,360
just saying that it takes a change of

2867
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:41,640
philosophy on our side. If they needed

2868
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:43,000
help,

2869
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:44,720
one, they got to communicate it with us.

2870
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:47,120
Two, we would have to be willing to say,

2871
02:05:47,120 --> 02:05:48,440
"Hey,

2872
02:05:48,440 --> 02:05:50,160
is that a I mean

2873
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:51,000
is that a reasonable

2874
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:52,320
>> a reasonable request, and is that

2875
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:53,440
something we should be spending

2876
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:54,840
resources on?

2877
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:56,680
I mean

2878
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:59,120
it Again, it's it's a it's a That's

2879
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:01,000
where the fine line is, and that's where

2880
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:02,320
I think people are

2881
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:05,600
we're spending taxpayer dollars

2882
02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:09,040
on a private amenity. And that is where

2883
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:10,720
you talk about fiduciary and

2884
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:13,000
responsibilities, Joe.

2885
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:15,360
We'll be spending tax dollars on a

2886
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:18,240
private amenity.

2887
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:20,280
And that's that's where

2888
02:06:20,280 --> 02:06:22,120
I claimed I wouldn't do that when I got

2889
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:23,280
elected.

2890
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:24,520
Okay?

2891
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:27,120
Wasting those dollars. And so,

2892
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:29,200
we we have to change that philosophy. I

2893
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:31,120
And I'm not saying we shouldn't. When it

2894
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:32,560
comes to getting in back hoe and all

2895
02:06:32,560 --> 02:06:33,600
that,

2896
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:35,600
I don't agree with that. The small

2897
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:37,000
things, yes I do.

2898
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:38,320
>> Yeah, I think that on

2899
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,160
I'm sorry. And I think that on something

2900
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:42,320
like the the back hoe,

2901
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:43,600
um again

2902
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:44,960
um

2903
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:47,040
who do you want doing it other than some

2904
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:49,000
of our experts? Mark has always been

2905
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:51,720
wonderful about that. Um he's got other

2906
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:53,240
complaints, but

2907
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:54,840
um every time that

2908
02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,520
uh we've needed something moved, even if

2909
02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:58,760
we were doing it for the bike track or

2910
02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:01,720
the the bike thing um

2911
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:03,360
he would

2912
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:04,800
give us advice, but then he would also

2913
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:06,040
say, "You know what?

2914
02:07:06,040 --> 02:07:07,480
I can be over here on Saturday, and I'll

2915
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:08,560
just move all the dirt for them, and

2916
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,680
they can finish moving the rest."

2917
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:13,920
Um I think that we have to take

2918
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:15,960
responsibility for it because one of the

2919
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:17,520
plans that we've always had is for them

2920
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:20,240
to be able to extend that track.

2921
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:21,520
Um

2922
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:23,640
do we want them to do that?

2923
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:25,360
I mean, I think that I would much rather

2924
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:27,000
have Mark or somebody who knows what

2925
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:28,800
they're doing go through our park, know

2926
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:31,080
exactly where things are

2927
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:33,320
clear off that trail, and then

2928
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:34,600
make it to the point where they can

2929
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:36,760
finish the rest of their tracks, put

2930
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:38,040
down the ballast, all of the things that

2931
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:40,520
they need to do. I wouldn't want any

2932
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:42,080
private club

2933
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:45,080
coming in and making those kind of

2934
02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:47,240
determinations or bringing that

2935
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:48,760
equipment that would do those kind of

2936
02:07:48,760 --> 02:07:52,600
things. I think that that falls on us.

2937
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:54,080
Um so,

2938
02:07:54,080 --> 02:07:56,160
I I think that's why the 90 days might

2939
02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:58,480
be good to be able to say, "Okay,

2940
02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:00,160
with the president

2941
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:02,960
let's negotiate and see if we can. What

2942
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:04,960
we can come up with what should be ours

2943
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:06,880
and what shouldn't be ours as the

2944
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:10,440
perspective of South Weber has a train

2945
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:13,080
park, and we want to keep it."

2946
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:15,120
And if the 90 days fails

2947
02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:17,720
because we're too busy fighting over old

2948
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:18,800
things

2949
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:19,960
um

2950
02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:21,080
then I think that's a whole different

2951
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:22,760
council meeting.

2952
02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:25,790
But

2953
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:29,150
yeah.

2954
02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:30,960
If we do decide to do that, I think 90

2955
02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:32,680
days is too long. I think we shouldn't

2956
02:08:32,680 --> 02:08:35,560
go any more than 60 days.

2957
02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:37,880
And I think that items that need to be

2958
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:39,760
repaired

2959
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:41,640
the ones that the insurance company has

2960
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:44,720
brought up need to be repaired before

2961
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:46,600
you can run again.

2962
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:48,080
And there's going to be no running dates

2963
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:50,640
until all those repairs are taken care

2964
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:52,830
of.

2965
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:55,760
» Can the city help on those?

2966
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,840
>> No, I don't think so.

2967
02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:01,600
Shay, did you have a question?

2968
02:09:01,600 --> 02:09:04,920
>> More of a comment and of support to this

2969
02:09:04,920 --> 02:09:07,440
whole thing. The story that you guys may

2970
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:11,760
not know is we had a parks employee that

2971
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:13,720
went way above and beyond and they did

2972
02:09:13,720 --> 02:09:16,120
cut all of the weeds on the west side

2973
02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:18,480
around the pickleball court. The parks

2974
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:21,240
department went and helped the train

2975
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:23,280
club on a Friday

2976
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:25,520
pick up all of their track and move it

2977
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,800
the move it. We also helped them move

2978
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:30,920
all of their gravel with the backhoe and

2979
02:09:30,920 --> 02:09:32,920
all of that was done because I have an

2980
02:09:32,920 --> 02:09:35,560
interest in that park looking good. And

2981
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:37,280
that's what I expect out of the park out

2982
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:39,440
of of every park, not just at Canyon

2983
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:41,680
Meadows. The other part that you may not

2984
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:45,080
know is I communicated with Mr. Robbins

2985
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:46,800
of when the bark would be laid down on

2986
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:48,960
the sections that we are

2987
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:50,720
to supposed to the city is responsible

2988
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:53,120
for. He asked, "Can you please wait? I

2989
02:09:53,120 --> 02:09:56,520
will address them and can we I will be

2990
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:58,440
here Saturday." And I said, "Sure." And

2991
02:09:58,440 --> 02:10:00,840
I accommodated that request

2992
02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:02,320
to have the bark

2993
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:04,080
finished. So, there is

2994
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:06,200
definitely been a

2995
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:08,600
side that has been willing to help the

2996
02:10:08,600 --> 02:10:12,560
train club. And my concern, again, you

2997
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:14,360
know what they are, but there has been

2998
02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:16,800
that side of support from the parks

2999
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:18,840
department. Thank you.

3000
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:20,480
>> Thank you. And we deeply appreciate

3001
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:22,560
that.

3002
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:23,120
>> Last year

3003
02:10:23,120 --> 02:10:23,800
>> issue. Last question.

3004
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:24,320
>> This year.

3005
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:25,640
>> Last last year the gravel moved in this

3006
02:10:25,640 --> 02:10:27,960
year for the uh bark.

3007
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:31,030
Yeah.

3008
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:35,640
» I guess I still want to know where we're getting

3009
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:38,120
the money from and I will tell you cuz

3010
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:39,640
that's what it comes down to. I mean, we

3011
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:41,760
talked about do we hold the rate for our

3012
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,480
taxes or do we let it erode?

3013
02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:45,440
>> What kind of money are you talking

3014
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:46,280
about, if you don't mind?

3015
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:48,560
>> I I don't know. I have no idea how much

3016
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:50,000
it's going to cost, but I know that

3017
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:52,320
there's going to be there. If we took

3018
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:55,520
over, I mean, so many different options.

3019
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:57,560
>> I I don't see a huge expense, Angie, and

3020
02:10:57,560 --> 02:10:59,200
I I'm not trying to dismiss what you're

3021
02:10:59,200 --> 02:10:59,440
saying.

3022
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:01,080
>> No, I appreciate the perspective.

3023
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:03,040
>> There'll be some labor added labor, so I

3024
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:04,840
get the labor is involved.

3025
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:06,320
If it's weeds, I understand the

3026
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:08,600
pesticides and and so forth, but I also

3027
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:10,920
think that we don't buy exactly in

3028
02:11:10,920 --> 02:11:13,240
quantities that we need for I think

3029
02:11:13,240 --> 02:11:14,360
there's a little bit of a factor of

3030
02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:15,440
safety. We have a little bit more

3031
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:16,760
fertilizer, we have a little bit more

3032
02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:18,000
pesticides, so we might be able to

3033
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:20,080
stretch it. I don't see this being, you

3034
02:11:20,080 --> 02:11:22,000
know, $100,000 or anything like that. I

3035
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:23,200
think it's going to be less than 10,

3036
02:11:23,200 --> 02:11:24,920
probably less than $5,000, which is the

3037
02:11:24,920 --> 02:11:27,160
budget can easily absorb. And then we

3038
02:11:27,160 --> 02:11:28,800
can monitor it moving forward as to what

3039
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:30,120
those actual costs were. I don't think

3040
02:11:30,120 --> 02:11:32,480
we need to rush to raising taxes or

3041
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:33,680
things of that nature. I don't think

3042
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:36,880
it's that uh major of an expense, and I

3043
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:39,560
could be totally wrong, but I I'd rather

3044
02:11:39,560 --> 02:11:42,280
go a year and experience that and then

3045
02:11:42,280 --> 02:11:44,560
have some data in which then

3046
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:46,360
to move forward. But, I really think if

3047
02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:48,080
we're going to take over the park and

3048
02:11:48,080 --> 02:11:50,160
park maintenance that has the train

3049
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:51,760
facilities on there,

3050
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:53,200
then I think we need to establish more

3051
02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:55,200
of an operator contractor or contract

3052
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:58,040
operator agreements uh so that anybody

3053
02:11:58,040 --> 02:11:59,240
who wants to come and run their trains,

3054
02:11:59,240 --> 02:12:00,000
they have to have certain

3055
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:02,240
responsibilities and schedule it, work

3056
02:12:02,240 --> 02:12:03,800
with us. We're now taking on

3057
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:06,400
administrator role and trying to manage

3058
02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:10,160
the operations while they're doing their thing. And I think there's going

3059
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:12,000
to be some cost and associated with

3060
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,200
that, some administrative costs

3061
02:12:13,200 --> 02:12:14,440
associated with that. Those are things

3062
02:12:14,440 --> 02:12:16,560
that are hidden costs that I don't think

3063
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:18,400
we can realize or guestimate right now,

3064
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:20,520
but we can we can work towards or but

3065
02:12:20,520 --> 02:12:22,520
it's that level of,

3066
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:24,240
you know, you get beyond the past and

3067
02:12:24,240 --> 02:12:25,760
try to figure out where is that line. I

3068
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:27,320
think the line has to shift. I believe

3069
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:29,520
that the the park is a train park and we

3070
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:31,400
need to stay maintain it as a train

3071
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:32,920
park, but what does our role seem to be

3072
02:12:32,920 --> 02:12:34,400
and those are going to have to shift.

3073
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:35,720
And I see some of the cooperation

3074
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:36,880
happening. I think we just need to move

3075
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:40,400
down that road uh more so. Uh can we,

3076
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:41,640
you know, get these things repaired in

3077
02:12:41,640 --> 02:12:43,080
the next 30 days? I don't think we can

3078
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:45,200
take it in 2 weeks. It it's no It's

3079
02:12:45,200 --> 02:12:46,920
ridiculous it's taken 5 years to address

3080
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:48,600
all these things and it's ridiculous

3081
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:49,600
that we had to get all the public

3082
02:12:49,600 --> 02:12:51,400
involved to get the fire under our asses

3083
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:53,400
to make something happen. Sorry, I

3084
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:54,640
swore.

3085
02:12:54,640 --> 02:12:55,080
>> No worries.

3086
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:57,040
>> I didn't mean to do that.

3087
02:12:57,040 --> 02:12:58,440
Um

3088
02:12:58,440 --> 02:12:59,520
but I think it's just like let's just

3089
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:00,720
get it done.

3090
02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:02,440
Let's pick a day, you know, tomorrow,

3091
02:13:02,440 --> 02:13:03,920
get out there, cut the wire, whatever

3092
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:05,600
you need to do, get it done so you can

3093
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:07,520
run. And then they take the next 30 to

3094
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:10,080
60 days, 30 days, 45 days to work out,

3095
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:11,320
take the old contract, throw it out the

3096
02:13:11,320 --> 02:13:14,280
door, or modify it, amend it, whatever

3097
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:16,640
that needs to be. Um but I think we need

3098
02:13:16,640 --> 02:13:18,800
to establish a new relationship where

3099
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:20,840
we're going to be managing the park and

3100
02:13:20,840 --> 02:13:22,040
you're going to be managing your trains

3101
02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:24,320
under certain conditions and uh until

3102
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:25,560
there's no one who wants to run trains

3103
02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:27,520
anymore, then we consider,

3104
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:28,840
you know, tearing it all out and making

3105
02:13:28,840 --> 02:13:31,000
it a different park. But until that day,

3106
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:32,760
I think that's where I'm That's where

3107
02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:34,840
I'm at.

3108
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:37,120
>> Is that a recommendation?

3109
02:13:37,120 --> 02:13:38,480
>> I don't know if you can make it a more

3110
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:40,680
of a recommendation or not, but that's

3111
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:42,280
>> I need to make it clear though that I'm

3112
02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:43,720
not recommending we tear the tracks out

3113
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:44,840
right now.

3114
02:13:44,840 --> 02:13:45,960
Okay, thank you.

3115
02:13:45,960 --> 02:13:47,000
>> I wasn't trying to put words in your

3116
02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:48,320
mouth that way, Angie.

3117
02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:50,120
But I don't think we just we just cut

3118
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:51,080
her off right now. I think we need to

3119
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:52,520
move forward in a different relationship

3120
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:54,360
and I think that's what's been said uh

3121
02:13:54,360 --> 02:13:55,560
in different ways and different words.

3122
02:13:55,560 --> 02:13:57,200
What that is, I I again I don't have

3123
02:13:57,200 --> 02:13:59,320
that answer, but I think you don't run

3124
02:13:59,320 --> 02:14:00,480
until we get those safety issues

3125
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:03,120
resolved and then we get 30 days to get

3126
02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:04,520
our

3127
02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:05,840
feet to the table and maybe certain

3128
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:07,520
people aren't at the table on the train

3129
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:09,600
club side, maybe certain people are who

3130
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:11,000
can speak on your behalf and certain

3131
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:12,600
people on our side don't be on table, so

3132
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:14,720
that people are and we come to a higher

3133
02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:17,080
level and move forward. But I can't put

3134
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:18,560
it into a motion. I don't know how to do

3135
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:19,400
that.

3136
02:14:19,400 --> 02:14:20,000
What do I say?

3137
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:21,400
>> It's pretty easy to put in a motion cuz

3138
02:14:21,400 --> 02:14:22,240
you're probably going to have to

3139
02:14:22,240 --> 02:14:23,960
continue

3140
02:14:23,960 --> 02:14:25,840
but

3141
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:28,160
so are we if we do that

3142
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:29,640
are we giving it back to the parks

3143
02:14:29,640 --> 02:14:33,440
committee? That would be you and Angie.

3144
02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:35,160
>> That's one option if we're the right

3145
02:14:35,160 --> 02:14:38,000
people given our histories to to move

3146
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:39,480
that thing forward. I'm I'm fine with

3147
02:14:39,480 --> 02:14:40,920
that if

3148
02:14:40,920 --> 02:14:42,440
the committee thinks that uh newer

3149
02:14:42,440 --> 02:14:44,520
voices or newer people need to step in

3150
02:14:44,520 --> 02:14:45,680
and do that

3151
02:14:45,680 --> 02:14:48,040
I'm open to anything. I just uh we just

3152
02:14:48,040 --> 02:14:49,120
need to get the right people at the

3153
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:51,560
right table to do what is the higher

3154
02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:52,600
level

3155
02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:54,000
uh accomplishment we're trying to do on

3156
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:55,240
both sides.

3157
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:56,680
Cuz you know, we get the same people in

3158
02:14:56,680 --> 02:14:57,840
the room

3159
02:14:57,840 --> 02:14:59,320
it's going to happen. And we're going to

3160
02:14:59,320 --> 02:15:00,240
be right back here having the same

3161
02:15:00,240 --> 02:15:01,800
conversation. So

3162
02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:03,880
uh how we do that, who do we

3163
02:15:03,880 --> 02:15:05,200
identify?

3164
02:15:05,200 --> 02:15:06,840
I'll leave that to the council.

3165
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:08,560
Volunteer, whatever.

3166
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:10,000
>> But when we talk about the city taking

3167
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:11,760
over

3168
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:13,640
maintenance, it it really that just goes

3169
02:15:13,640 --> 02:15:14,960
back to weed control.

3170
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:15,320
>> Bingo.

3171
02:15:15,320 --> 02:15:16,840
>> Basically. I mean that's all that that's

3172
02:15:16,840 --> 02:15:21,280
all that is. I mean it's not everything else. And so there's

3173
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:22,600
a lot of those other things that have to

3174
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:24,480
be worked out with you guys, Parker.

3175
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:25,160
>> Yeah.

3176
02:15:25,160 --> 02:15:28,480
>> Um and and Joel started down the road on a

3177
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:29,480
couple of those things and he's

3178
02:15:29,480 --> 02:15:31,960
realizing that

3179
02:15:31,960 --> 02:15:33,240
you have to bring things up to city

3180
02:15:33,240 --> 02:15:35,720
standards cuz it is a public place.

3181
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:36,640
>> For sure.

3182
02:15:36,640 --> 02:15:38,160
>> We don't just go build a bridge

3183
02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:41,680
willy-nilly. It has to be engineered.

3184
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:43,280
And our engineer has to review it. It

3185
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:44,440
has to go through all those city

3186
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:48,400
processes or it just doesn't happen.

3187
02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:49,360
So

3188
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:51,360
I know that's been a big push back. So I

3189
02:15:51,360 --> 02:15:53,160
think those kind of things, what they're

3190
02:15:53,160 --> 02:15:55,400
going to do, whoever's working that out,

3191
02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:57,440
I'm probably not that person.

3192
02:15:57,440 --> 02:16:00,160
But whoever's working that out

3193
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:02,720
those things need to be very specific.

3194
02:16:02,720 --> 02:16:04,840
Cuz all it really adds to us is weed

3195
02:16:04,840 --> 02:16:06,280
control.

3196
02:16:06,280 --> 02:16:08,400
>> And and maybe I I put it in our

3197
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:10,960
leadership's lap and maybe you you

3198
02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:12,640
identify people whom you want to sit at

3199
02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:14,520
that table and

3200
02:16:14,520 --> 02:16:16,760
come to that agreement. If you want this

3201
02:16:16,760 --> 02:16:18,880
Parks and Rec board, I think if you want

3202
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:20,800
certain individuals or how you want

3203
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:22,920
>> I'm I'm happy with the Parks Committee

3204
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:25,040
taking that on unless they

3205
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:26,640
feel differently.

3206
02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:28,320
>> I'm I'm you okay with that, Ed?

3207
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:29,400
>> I'm fine with that.

3208
02:16:29,400 --> 02:16:31,120
>> Okay.

3209
02:16:31,120 --> 02:16:32,599
Who on the train club side is going to

3210
02:16:32,599 --> 02:16:34,120
be at the table?

3211
02:16:34,120 --> 02:16:36,200
>> I can be there.

3212
02:16:36,200 --> 02:16:37,760
>> You don't want to be solo. Who's Who's

3213
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:39,320
going to do it then? Please Please don't

3214
02:16:39,320 --> 02:16:41,679
be solo.

3215
02:16:41,679 --> 02:16:43,314
>> I'll bring No, I'm kidding.

3216
02:16:43,314 --> 02:16:47,150
>> [laughter]

3217
02:16:47,160 --> 02:16:49,320
» It it It isn't about you. It's just you

3218
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:51,719
and I can't bring up and John, the three

3219
02:16:51,719 --> 02:16:54,240
of us keep bringing up the past. So, we

3220
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:57,910
just need to leave it alone.

3221
02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:02,080
» I'm just saying this is either or neither.

3222
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:03,599
>> I think I'll bring I'd bring some of the

3223
02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:05,639
younger members myself. Garrett, Cody, I

3224
02:17:05,639 --> 02:17:07,480
mean, all of us were like 12 years old

3225
02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:09,400
when this train club was built, so

3226
02:17:09,400 --> 02:17:11,040
>> Then I guess the motion is to continue

3227
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:13,840
this until 30 days.

3228
02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:15,519
>> Probably need 60 days cuz I think they

3229
02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:16,840
need to get everything fixed.

3230
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:18,080
>> I think there's two tickets are too

3231
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:19,400
much. We'll continue this, but in the

3232
02:17:19,400 --> 02:17:20,639
meantime, we need to get the insurance

3233
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:22,719
things remedied before they can run.

3234
02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:24,080
You're red tagged until those insurance

3235
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:25,920
things are taken care of. Then they can

3236
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:28,920
run until we get this thing continued to

3237
02:17:28,920 --> 02:17:29,639
get the 60 days.

3238
02:17:29,639 --> 02:17:31,360
>> Council member Windsor.

3239
02:17:31,360 --> 02:17:33,240
>> I took some notes while you were talking

3240
02:17:33,240 --> 02:17:35,000
and I have

3241
02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:36,719
maybe a proposed language you could use

3242
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:37,559
in a motion.

3243
02:17:37,559 --> 02:17:40,040
>> You can reject it if you want.

3244
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:42,480
>> It's your call, but the the three things

3245
02:17:42,480 --> 02:17:44,200
I have written down that would be in the

3246
02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:46,679
motion is no trains run until the safety

3247
02:17:46,679 --> 02:17:48,000
issues are resolved.

3248
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:48,240
>> Yes.

3249
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:49,920
>> And those are the issues documented in

3250
02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:52,480
the report from the trust.

3251
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:55,440
A 60-day window for the two sides to

3252
02:17:55,440 --> 02:17:57,719
negotiate a new agreement. Parks

3253
02:17:57,719 --> 02:17:59,639
Committee on behalf of the city, club

3254
02:17:59,639 --> 02:18:02,920
president to lead that on their side.

3255
02:18:02,920 --> 02:18:05,240
And then the third item, if no new

3256
02:18:05,240 --> 02:18:07,200
agreement, then the council will act to

3257
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:09,000
terminate the existing agreement after

3258
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:11,480
that 60 days.

3259
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:12,320
>> So moved.

3260
02:18:12,320 --> 02:18:13,120
>> I like that.

3261
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:15,240
>> Second it.

3262
02:18:15,240 --> 02:18:18,559
>> We have a motion and a second.

3263
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:20,400
We need a I guess

3264
02:18:20,400 --> 02:18:20,800
>> Yeah.

3265
02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:22,599
>> Yes, we do. We'll do the I'll vote

3266
02:18:22,599 --> 02:18:23,639
Councilman Windsor.

3267
02:18:23,639 --> 02:18:30,629
>> I.

3268
02:18:30,639 --> 02:18:39,110
» The motion is carried. Thank you.

3269
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:40,760
One thing that you need to establish

3270
02:18:40,760 --> 02:18:42,120
with them about the land we're going to

3271
02:18:42,120 --> 02:18:43,360
be with me.

3272
02:18:43,360 --> 02:18:45,440
Hearing maybe you weren't serious with

3273
02:18:45,440 --> 02:18:46,160
this

3274
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:48,080
when they started doing this.

3275
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:49,800
Because they didn't want us on their

3276
02:18:49,800 --> 02:18:50,679
track near their

3277
02:18:50,679 --> 02:18:51,400
>> That's what I said.

3278
02:18:51,400 --> 02:18:54,040
>> And we created a buffer. And so then we

3279
02:18:54,040 --> 02:18:56,240
said then you can build your leads.

3280
02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:58,200
So they would have to relinquish that.

3281
02:18:58,200 --> 02:18:59,000
>> Yes.

3282
02:18:59,000 --> 02:19:00,000
>> Let's go to the next item.

3283
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:09,430
>> I think What's our next?

3284
02:19:09,440 --> 02:19:11,160
» We still have a council meeting going

3285
02:19:11,160 --> 02:19:14,230
on.

3286
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:18,519
» Okay, our next item is resolution 26-11

3287
02:19:18,519 --> 02:19:21,360
2025 municipal wastewater planning

3288
02:19:21,360 --> 02:19:22,599
program

3289
02:19:22,599 --> 02:19:24,280
annual report.

3290
02:19:24,280 --> 02:19:26,200
Any discussion on this

3291
02:19:26,200 --> 02:19:28,920
from the council?

3292
02:19:28,920 --> 02:19:30,280
If we're good with it, then we'll ask

3293
02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:33,990
for a motion to approve this.

3294
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:35,040
» Mayor moves to

3295
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:37,440
approve resolution 26-11 to 2025

3296
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:39,360
municipal wastewater planning program

3297
02:19:39,360 --> 02:19:41,639
annual report.

3298
02:19:41,639 --> 02:19:42,719
>> Second it.

3299
02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:44,599
>> A motion and a second by Councilman

3300
02:19:44,599 --> 02:19:46,120
Howarth. We will roll call votes

3301
02:19:46,120 --> 02:19:48,519
starting with Councilman Howarth.

3302
02:19:48,519 --> 02:19:52,760
>> I.

3303
02:19:52,760 --> 02:19:56,190
>> The motion is carried. Thank you.

3304
02:19:56,200 --> 02:19:58,680
Resolution number nine.

3305
02:19:58,680 --> 02:20:00,520
Resolution

3306
02:20:00,520 --> 02:20:04,391
26-11.

3307
02:20:04,401 --> 02:20:09,590
» [laughter]

3308
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:10,640
» I made the motion.

3309
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:12,760
>> Wayne second.

3310
02:20:12,760 --> 02:20:14,882
>> We we read your words. We

3311
02:20:14,882 --> 02:20:15,880
>> [clears throat]

3312
02:20:15,880 --> 02:20:19,000
>> Next item, award fire station remodel

3313
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:22,910
project phase number two.

3314
02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:25,280
Any questions on this?

3315
02:20:25,280 --> 02:20:27,000
>> I will say good job for coming in under

3316
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:27,720
our budget.

3317
02:20:27,720 --> 02:20:29,640
>> Yeah, absolutely.

3318
02:20:29,640 --> 02:20:31,320
In addition to it, the number of bidders

3319
02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:34,040
on that was also um

3320
02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:34,800
encouraging.

3321
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:37,120
>> Yeah, encouraging and after analyzing

3322
02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:38,640
it, I think we got a very, very fair

3323
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:39,200
price.

3324
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:39,840
>> Yeah.

3325
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:41,280
I feel the same way.

3326
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:42,840
>> Move to award the fire station remodel

3327
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:44,760
project for phase two as submitted. I

3328
02:20:44,760 --> 02:20:46,000
don't have their name in front of me, so

3329
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:46,880
whoever it was will have to say it.

3330
02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:48,800
>> Uh Adams.

3331
02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:50,040
>> Adams Construction.

3332
02:20:50,040 --> 02:20:50,840
>> Yeah.

3333
02:20:50,840 --> 02:20:51,880
>> You have the amount?

3334
02:20:51,880 --> 02:20:53,920
>> 32,467.

3335
02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:55,400
Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve the

3336
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:57,120
fire department remodel phase two for

3337
02:20:57,120 --> 02:20:58,840
Adams Construction Services in the

3338
02:20:58,840 --> 02:21:02,160
amount of 32,467.55.

3339
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:04,000
>> I guess I'll second my motion.

3340
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:09,640
>> Second by Councilman Windsor. We'll just do a all in favor.

3341
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:11,720
>> Aye.

3342
02:21:11,720 --> 02:21:13,360
>> Okay.

3343
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:14,800
Great.

3344
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:17,920
Next discussion item, fiscal year 2027

3345
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:19,640
budget.

3346
02:21:19,640 --> 02:21:21,280
>> We can make this short after the train

3347
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:22,720
club, can we?

3348
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:24,040
>> We can make it short after the

3349
02:21:24,040 --> 02:21:27,000
>> I have three pages.

3350
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:28,880
>> There's only a few pages that to the

3351
02:21:28,880 --> 02:21:30,440
>> No, you're great.

3352
02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:31,920
>> Brett, do you want to start us off?

3353
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:32,960
>> This is important.

3354
02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:33,960
>> Yeah,

3355
02:21:33,960 --> 02:21:35,240
um

3356
02:21:35,240 --> 02:21:36,720
from our last discussion, there was a

3357
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:39,640
few items that that were brought up. One

3358
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:43,520
was I I initially had

3359
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:46,640
in showing increased taxes, um which was

3360
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:48,640
about a $6,000

3361
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:51,400
change from what we ended up deciding,

3362
02:21:51,400 --> 02:21:56,080
and that was to hold the current rate um

3363
02:21:56,080 --> 02:21:58,920
In all holding the rate

3364
02:21:58,920 --> 02:22:01,560
provides additional or the growth

3365
02:22:01,560 --> 02:22:05,040
portion of of that of about $60,000 to

3366
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:06,160
the city.

3367
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:09,880
Um the reduction from from me increasing

3368
02:22:09,880 --> 02:22:11,680
taxes to holding the rate was about

3369
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:15,040
6,000 and I showed that in a few

3370
02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:18,840
different areas. One was uh the judicial

3371
02:22:18,840 --> 02:22:21,520
department, the parks department, and

3372
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:23,720
also there was a small portion of the

3373
02:22:23,720 --> 02:22:26,240
fires that fire department that was

3374
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:30,040
impacted. Um and one of the only part

3375
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:31,920
I'll provide a little bit to Derek

3376
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:33,800
there. I didn't have a chance to really

3377
02:22:33,800 --> 02:22:36,160
discuss it with him. But there was just

3378
02:22:36,160 --> 02:22:40,640
a calculation of when the fleet

3379
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:42,720
was going to be done, some of the fleet

3380
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:45,080
vehicles that are being switched out,

3381
02:22:45,080 --> 02:22:46,800
when they're going to be done this

3382
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:50,520
fiscal year, and having that time to to

3383
02:22:50,520 --> 02:22:53,400
get them sold next fiscal year.

3384
02:22:53,400 --> 02:22:58,160
Um there was some calculation issues and I came up with about a $2,000

3385
02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:01,680
difference, so $2,000 less. In in the

3386
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:03,840
end, I decreased the general fund by

3387
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:05,360
$8,000.

3388
02:23:05,360 --> 02:23:08,320
Um I only needed to decrease it by 6,000

3389
02:23:08,320 --> 02:23:10,800
to to be within the range that that

3390
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:14,080
council had had requested. Um

3391
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:15,920
there was also a portion of the judicial

3392
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:20,120
department salaries um that portion

3393
02:23:20,120 --> 02:23:23,040
comes directly from the state on on what

3394
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:25,920
we pay our judge. And I had estimated

3395
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:29,240
based on prior years, I had estimated

3396
02:23:29,240 --> 02:23:31,320
high on that and that was about a little

3397
02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:33,280
over $2,000 difference.

3398
02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:36,600
>> Okay, so we're not cutting his

3399
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:38,640
scheduled increases.

3400
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:39,160
>> We can't.

3401
02:23:39,160 --> 02:23:39,960
>> Yeah. Okay.

3402
02:23:39,960 --> 02:23:42,400
>> But I saw the 2,000, that's when I I

3403
02:23:42,400 --> 02:23:44,720
questioned on whether so

3404
02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:46,480
>> So what happened with that is we got a

3405
02:23:46,480 --> 02:23:49,480
document from the state saying and they

3406
02:23:49,480 --> 02:23:50,720
do a different they did a different

3407
02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:52,720
calculation this year.

3408
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:54,480
And at this point

3409
02:23:54,480 --> 02:23:56,480
we're still get we're still giving him a

3410
02:23:56,480 --> 02:23:57,640
raise

3411
02:23:57,640 --> 02:24:00,480
but the state required that we don't

3412
02:24:00,480 --> 02:24:02,040
give him a raise.

3413
02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:03,840
Because of the way that they did their

3414
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:06,040
calculations, they didn't provide a good

3415
02:24:06,040 --> 02:24:09,960
detail, but based on his workload here,

3416
02:24:09,960 --> 02:24:12,920
um we were overpaying, but we can't cut

3417
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:14,240
his pay.

3418
02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:17,440
Um but I can reduce it from what what I

3419
02:24:17,440 --> 02:24:19,920
had budgeted for originally.

3420
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:21,520
And that's where that decrease came

3421
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:21,680
from.

3422
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:22,680
>> Yeah. Thank you.

3423
02:24:22,680 --> 02:24:25,160
>> And then for the parks department, um

3424
02:24:25,160 --> 02:24:27,680
there was a portion of it that we had

3425
02:24:27,680 --> 02:24:29,920
increased based on

3426
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:32,320
um trends and analysis, we'd increased

3427
02:24:32,320 --> 02:24:34,240
it. We had brought that down a little

3428
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:37,400
bit to to show a total of $8,000

3429
02:24:37,400 --> 02:24:40,640
savings or difference between um what I

3430
02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:43,240
had firmly budgeted to to what it shows

3431
02:24:43,240 --> 02:24:46,350
now.

3432
02:24:46,360 --> 02:24:48,680
Um

3433
02:24:48,680 --> 02:24:51,000
I also just to let you guys know I

3434
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:53,240
provided different information.

3435
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:54,160
Um

3436
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:54,680
>> We know that.

3437
02:24:54,680 --> 02:24:57,800
>> Hopefully it was somewhat beneficial to

3438
02:24:57,800 --> 02:24:59,320
you guys and and it helped you guys

3439
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:01,440
understand it a little bit better. I

3440
02:25:01,440 --> 02:25:04,760
broke it out by the personnel costs and

3441
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:08,680
capital costs and operational costs to kind of show

3442
02:25:08,680 --> 02:25:10,520
where things are, where our funds are

3443
02:25:10,520 --> 02:25:12,040
going and how they're supporting the

3444
02:25:12,040 --> 02:25:16,110
city and the services that we provide.

3445
02:25:16,120 --> 02:25:17,840
» Appreciate that, too. Thank you.

3446
02:25:17,840 --> 02:25:20,960
>> Um let's I'm just going through my list

3447
02:25:20,960 --> 02:25:24,150
here.

3448
02:25:24,160 --> 02:25:26,200
Um

3449
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:28,800
A majority of the of the increase and

3450
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:31,080
use of of

3451
02:25:31,080 --> 02:25:34,120
the funds of fund balance is for

3452
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:36,040
one-time projects.

3453
02:25:36,040 --> 02:25:39,040
Um and

3454
02:25:39,040 --> 02:25:41,360
another portion of that is for staffing

3455
02:25:41,360 --> 02:25:43,680
adjustments that were that were put into

3456
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:46,230
place.

3457
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:48,760
Let me think.

3458
02:25:48,760 --> 02:25:50,600
Overall, there's a it's a I know it

3459
02:25:50,600 --> 02:25:52,960
shows a $24 million budget, but there is

3460
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:54,800
a lot of transfers back and forth

3461
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:57,200
between other funds, transfers in and

3462
02:25:57,200 --> 02:26:00,600
transfers out. So, actual dollars is not

3463
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:03,440
$24 million, but a lot of that covers

3464
02:26:03,440 --> 02:26:06,560
what because of the the structure of the

3465
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:07,720
city,

3466
02:26:07,720 --> 02:26:10,240
um there's a lot of different funds that

3467
02:26:10,240 --> 02:26:11,720
are involved within the city and there

3468
02:26:11,720 --> 02:26:14,280
has to be transferred back and forth.

3469
02:26:14,280 --> 02:26:15,280
Um

3470
02:26:15,280 --> 02:26:17,600
As I mentioned, there was use of uh

3471
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:21,320
one-time funds um and and fund balance.

3472
02:26:21,320 --> 02:26:23,440
Just so that you guys are aware, fund

3473
02:26:23,440 --> 02:26:25,560
balance is there to

3474
02:26:25,560 --> 02:26:29,000
support future projects. It's it's a lot

3475
02:26:29,000 --> 02:26:31,920
like a savings account so that you guys

3476
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:33,120
can

3477
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:34,400
make

3478
02:26:34,400 --> 02:26:36,480
good decisions on on how and what

3479
02:26:36,480 --> 02:26:39,040
projects that fund balance is used for.

3480
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:40,880
There are some restrictions at the state

3481
02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:44,040
level of of how much we can use or how

3482
02:26:44,040 --> 02:26:46,800
much we can build up our savings for

3483
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:49,800
each fund. And based on the analysis I

3484
02:26:49,800 --> 02:26:52,000
did, that's where we come out with

3485
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:55,480
where we are with the 73-75 project. Um

3486
02:26:55,480 --> 02:26:57,720
we I felt that there was enough in our

3487
02:26:57,720 --> 02:27:03,350
fund balance to to support that project.

3488
02:27:03,360 --> 02:27:06,080
Um all in all, this budget does maintain

3489
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:09,680
the current the current tax rate that we have of the

3490
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:11,400
1334.

3491
02:27:11,400 --> 02:27:14,560
Um it provides

3492
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:17,000
um staffing stability.

3493
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:18,840
It funds the major infrastructure that's

3494
02:27:18,840 --> 02:27:21,040
needed and

3495
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:25,880
it also uses reserves strategically for those projects

3496
02:27:25,880 --> 02:27:29,680
while improving transparency in how this data is

3497
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:31,960
presented to you guys.

3498
02:27:31,960 --> 02:27:33,640
Um

3499
02:27:33,640 --> 02:27:35,640
Do you guys have any questions up to

3500
02:27:35,640 --> 02:27:38,240
this point on the data that I provided

3501
02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:39,680
or

3502
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:42,640
items that that have been changed from

3503
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:44,720
the last meeting we had to to the to

3504
02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:47,040
this one.

3505
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:48,520
>> I just wanted to say I appreciate you

3506
02:27:48,520 --> 02:27:50,600
putting in the per capita

3507
02:27:50,600 --> 02:27:53,720
uh calculations on there. Um like you

3508
02:27:53,720 --> 02:27:56,760
said, I know it's not perfect, but um

3509
02:27:56,760 --> 02:27:59,080
it's one scale and if you constantly use

3510
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:02,400
one scale to measure, you at least get a

3511
02:28:02,400 --> 02:28:03,960
direction of the of where things are

3512
02:28:03,960 --> 02:28:06,160
going. Um so I really do appreciate

3513
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:06,920
that.

3514
02:28:06,920 --> 02:28:10,400
>> If if you would like um over the last

3515
02:28:10,400 --> 02:28:12,360
week, I know I didn't have enough time

3516
02:28:12,360 --> 02:28:14,840
to do it and if you guys want the data

3517
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:17,720
I have pulled um about 10 to 15 other

3518
02:28:17,720 --> 02:28:19,040
cities

3519
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:21,440
uh their per capita for revenue for

3520
02:28:21,440 --> 02:28:24,160
property tax and sales tax

3521
02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:27,160
and did a per capita for them as well

3522
02:28:27,160 --> 02:28:29,600
um based on their population.

3523
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:31,160
I can provide that data if you want to

3524
02:28:31,160 --> 02:28:32,480
look at it.

3525
02:28:32,480 --> 02:28:35,040
I didn't present it because

3526
02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:37,040
um I didn't have time to put it in the

3527
02:28:37,040 --> 02:28:38,960
packet, but it's it's there if you want

3528
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:42,200
it. Um I also broke out a a trend for

3529
02:28:42,200 --> 02:28:45,880
South Weber um for the last five five to

3530
02:28:45,880 --> 02:28:48,240
six years of where we're at

3531
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:48,440
>> Yeah.

3532
02:28:48,440 --> 02:28:51,800
>> in comparison to to both of those.

3533
02:28:51,800 --> 02:28:54,040
>> Well, I know I appreciate it. I think

3534
02:28:54,040 --> 02:28:56,360
that part of what I was trying to say

3535
02:28:56,360 --> 02:28:58,160
with all of that was

3536
02:28:58,160 --> 02:28:58,720
uh

3537
02:28:58,720 --> 02:29:00,240
try to compare

3538
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:02,360
and take a real look at

3539
02:29:02,360 --> 02:29:04,480
um if we're

3540
02:29:04,480 --> 02:29:07,760
um overspending where we really should.

3541
02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:09,200
Um

3542
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:12,800
it's funny with that and um

3543
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:13,960
the

3544
02:29:13,960 --> 02:29:15,720
seeing that the most that we're going to

3545
02:29:15,720 --> 02:29:18,240
get really out of uh keeping the rate

3546
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:21,000
holding the rate is around six grand.

3547
02:29:21,000 --> 02:29:22,200
Um

3548
02:29:22,200 --> 02:29:23,760
I think with all the

3549
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:28,280
uh risks that we have um Parsons going

3550
02:29:28,280 --> 02:29:30,720
out um uh

3551
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:32,720
at least the option of that happening

3552
02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:34,400
and that fund going down even deeper

3553
02:29:34,400 --> 02:29:37,200
that we get from them. Um, sales tax

3554
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:38,720
from others

3555
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:40,280
um, and making sure that they they reach

3556
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:41,120
certain

3557
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:42,640
uh, one of the big ones I still have is

3558
02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:45,200
that it shows that we do a hundred and

3559
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:46,720
$150,000

3560
02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:49,520
of interest earnings, but that's at the

3561
02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:51,240
higher weight rate that we're at right

3562
02:29:51,240 --> 02:29:54,720
now and uh, there is potential at least

3563
02:29:54,720 --> 02:29:57,440
with Trump and the Fed that that will

3564
02:29:57,440 --> 02:29:59,280
lower which means that the income from

3565
02:29:59,280 --> 02:30:03,560
that will also lower. Um, and uh, I just

3566
02:30:03,560 --> 02:30:05,960
want to make sure that as we're looking

3567
02:30:05,960 --> 02:30:08,240
forward we're not spending now and you

3568
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:10,800
know, not taking into account uh, what's

3569
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:13,040
coming our way or could come our way.

3570
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:14,920
Um, so I just I appreciate you putting

3571
02:30:14,920 --> 02:30:16,480
that information in and that was very

3572
02:30:16,480 --> 02:30:19,720
eye-opening for me. Um, so thank you.

3573
02:30:19,720 --> 02:30:20,800
>> Yeah.

3574
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:25,440
Um, I do need to make one suggestion for

3575
02:30:25,440 --> 02:30:26,960
>> I take back my thank you.

3576
02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:27,600
>> No.

3577
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:28,720
>> Just kidding.

3578
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:30,040
>> Um,

3579
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:33,400
for next meeting

3580
02:30:33,400 --> 02:30:36,120
one of the new requirements from from

3581
02:30:36,120 --> 02:30:40,000
House Bill 236, I believe. Um, one of

3582
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:41,640
the requirements is that we create a

3583
02:30:41,640 --> 02:30:45,120
schedule for for tax impact.

3584
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:47,960
Um, the difference between if us holding

3585
02:30:47,960 --> 02:30:49,280
the rate

3586
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:51,400
um, because we have to go through truth

3587
02:30:51,400 --> 02:30:54,560
in taxation to to hold the rate um, we

3588
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:58,000
need to create a schedule to show

3589
02:30:58,000 --> 02:30:59,800
the difference between if we just take

3590
02:30:59,800 --> 02:31:03,080
the rate as is and we take that revenue

3591
02:31:03,080 --> 02:31:05,320
or the diff and the difference between

3592
02:31:05,320 --> 02:31:07,600
holding the rate. Um, like I said,

3593
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:10,360
that's about a a $60,000

3594
02:31:10,360 --> 02:31:11,440
um,

3595
02:31:11,440 --> 02:31:13,600
difference between

3596
02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:16,040
us just taking the rate and and holding

3597
02:31:16,040 --> 02:31:16,840
the rate.

3598
02:31:16,840 --> 02:31:18,680
>> also have to show where it's going.

3599
02:31:18,680 --> 02:31:20,160
>> Correct. And and that's kind of what I

3600
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:23,320
was getting getting to. There's

3601
02:31:23,320 --> 02:31:26,080
the analysis that I did, there's I think

3602
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:28,240
three different options that that we can

3603
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:31,600
look at that. And I

3604
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:33,480
was hoping to get some kind of direction

3605
02:31:33,480 --> 02:31:35,800
from from council on that.

3606
02:31:35,800 --> 02:31:39,440
Um just as staff, there's one is is we

3607
02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:41,560
can always look at personnel.

3608
02:31:41,560 --> 02:31:44,080
Um that's one option

3609
02:31:44,080 --> 02:31:47,160
um we can come up with to to determine

3610
02:31:47,160 --> 02:31:49,040
that difference between between holding

3611
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:51,760
the rate and taking the current rate.

3612
02:31:51,760 --> 02:31:55,400
And a second option is operational line

3613
02:31:55,400 --> 02:31:58,160
by line I can go through

3614
02:31:58,160 --> 02:31:59,320
for each of the departments in the

3615
02:31:59,320 --> 02:32:02,000
general fund and determine where we're

3616
02:32:02,000 --> 02:32:03,920
going where we would cut up on those

3617
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:07,760
line items to to get that to make up for

3618
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:11,000
that difference of about 60,000.

3619
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:13,640
Um and third

3620
02:32:13,640 --> 02:32:16,000
we can look at adjusting the rotation of

3621
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:17,360
the fleet.

3622
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:21,000
Um that would um create some savings

3623
02:32:21,000 --> 02:32:23,800
there. I haven't had a chance to look at

3624
02:32:23,800 --> 02:32:26,720
what the best options are, but I I was

3625
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:28,040
wondering if

3626
02:32:28,040 --> 02:32:30,960
what council thought and if they had any

3627
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:33,160
specific things they want me to look at

3628
02:32:33,160 --> 02:32:35,600
as just providing that number

3629
02:32:35,600 --> 02:32:38,040
not necessarily saying that

3630
02:32:38,040 --> 02:32:39,720
we

3631
02:32:39,720 --> 02:32:41,160
we're not going to go through truth

3632
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:43,000
taxation because of that that's the

3633
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:45,200
intent, but if there's that slight

3634
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:46,760
chance that we

3635
02:32:46,760 --> 02:32:50,400
don't get that we don't hold the rate,

3636
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:51,240
um

3637
02:32:51,240 --> 02:32:52,560
we would have to figure out where we're

3638
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:54,240
going to cut and that's kind of where

3639
02:32:54,240 --> 02:32:55,360
this

3640
02:32:55,360 --> 02:32:57,960
tax exempt tax impact schedule is coming

3641
02:32:57,960 --> 02:33:03,110
from from the state.

3642
02:33:03,120 --> 02:33:04,720
There's anything particular you guys

3643
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:06,440
want me to look at

3644
02:33:06,440 --> 02:33:08,520
where to where to hold back on those

3645
02:33:08,520 --> 02:33:11,000
funds. Know that we can't spend those

3646
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:12,200
funds

3647
02:33:12,200 --> 02:33:13,600
until

3648
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:16,080
we we've gone through truth and

3649
02:33:16,080 --> 02:33:17,720
taxation.

3650
02:33:17,720 --> 02:33:19,560
>> Couldn't

3651
02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:23,110
>> What's that?

3652
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:29,670
If if we hold the rate, correct.

3653
02:33:29,680 --> 02:33:35,910
You accept accept the rate?

3654
02:33:35,920 --> 02:33:37,400
» And I would think that that should fall

3655
02:33:37,400 --> 02:33:39,160
on the department heads.

3656
02:33:39,160 --> 02:33:40,880
You give them the amount that they need

3657
02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:42,920
to cut and

3658
02:33:42,920 --> 02:33:44,720
as

3659
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:46,520
professionals they know their areas

3660
02:33:46,520 --> 02:33:47,960
better than anyone else and what they

3661
02:33:47,960 --> 02:33:50,640
can and can't cut.

3662
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:51,160
I don't know.

3663
02:33:51,160 --> 02:33:51,880
>> Okay.

3664
02:33:51,880 --> 02:33:53,280
>> And then if not, then yeah, we would

3665
02:33:53,280 --> 02:33:55,280
have to get involved, but

3666
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:56,800
>> I want to back up

3667
02:33:56,800 --> 02:33:58,881
to Wayne's comments.

3668
02:33:58,881 --> 02:33:59,480
>> [laughter]

3669
02:33:59,480 --> 02:34:00,760
>> And I don't want to make this meeting go

3670
02:34:00,760 --> 02:34:01,840
any longer than I have.

3671
02:34:01,840 --> 02:34:04,000
>> Thank you.

3672
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:06,160
>> Okay, but let me let me just clarify.

3673
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:08,520
You're wanting to So, the original

3674
02:34:08,520 --> 02:34:11,280
budget had us going back 2 years

3675
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:12,600
to the rate 2 years ago.

3676
02:34:12,600 --> 02:34:13,280
>> Right.

3677
02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:15,440
>> We had him revise it last meeting

3678
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:15,840
>> Right.

3679
02:34:15,840 --> 02:34:18,760
>> to holding the rate as of our current

3680
02:34:18,760 --> 02:34:19,720
rate.

3681
02:34:19,720 --> 02:34:20,880
>> That's what I think it is.

3682
02:34:20,880 --> 02:34:22,640
>> You said it as if you're talking of

3683
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:24,520
going and and

3684
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:25,520
>> Accepting the

3685
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:27,840
>> Accepting whatever dollars come.

3686
02:34:27,840 --> 02:34:28,120
>> You

3687
02:34:28,120 --> 02:34:29,480
>> So, we're still going to have truth and

3688
02:34:29,480 --> 02:34:31,920
taxation regardless.

3689
02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:32,280
Okay.

3690
02:34:32,280 --> 02:34:33,560
>> That's That's where I was

3691
02:34:33,560 --> 02:34:34,906
>> I was just playing It caught

3692
02:34:34,906 --> 02:34:35,960
[clears throat] me off guard cuz that

3693
02:34:35,960 --> 02:34:38,400
would mean we'd have to find $120,000,

3694
02:34:38,400 --> 02:34:41,080
not just $60,000.

3695
02:34:41,080 --> 02:34:42,120
>> And

3696
02:34:42,120 --> 02:34:43,800
What what this does is just provides

3697
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:45,600
more transparency to the public

3698
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:45,920
>> Yeah.

3699
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:47,440
>> of when we go through truth and

3700
02:34:47,440 --> 02:34:51,080
taxation, where is that increase going?

3701
02:34:51,080 --> 02:34:52,200
>> Right.

3702
02:34:52,200 --> 02:34:54,560
I think we're all in favor of holding

3703
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:56,920
our current rate. Maybe. I'm not going

3704
02:34:56,920 --> 02:34:59,200
to speak for everybody. I apologize.

3705
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:00,680
But

3706
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:01,440
>> Hold on.

3707
02:35:01,440 --> 02:35:03,000
>> Yeah.

3708
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:05,960
I I do I mean, I think it should be like

3709
02:35:05,960 --> 02:35:07,400
with if if we're going to have to come

3710
02:35:07,400 --> 02:35:09,720
up with a list of saying if we don't go

3711
02:35:09,720 --> 02:35:12,240
if truth and taxation fails and we just

3712
02:35:12,240 --> 02:35:14,040
get what we get

3713
02:35:14,040 --> 02:35:16,200
then you have to have a list. It should

3714
02:35:16,200 --> 02:35:18,240
just go by department.

3715
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:18,880
And

3716
02:35:18,880 --> 02:35:21,080
>> Yeah.

3717
02:35:21,080 --> 02:35:22,040
>> I can do that.

3718
02:35:22,040 --> 02:35:24,320
>> I didn't quite follow how the cost

3719
02:35:24,320 --> 02:35:27,520
savings on the fleet would impact that.

3720
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:29,280
>> It will go by department, is that it? Or

3721
02:35:29,280 --> 02:35:30,240
weighted?

3722
02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:31,680
>> I would think so.

3723
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:34,360
Weighted by the size of the department.

3724
02:35:34,360 --> 02:35:34,760
>> Yeah.

3725
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:36,000
>> Do you want Do you want me to do that or

3726
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:37,440
do you want me to leave it up to the

3727
02:35:37,440 --> 02:35:39,480
department heads to make that decision?

3728
02:35:39,480 --> 02:35:40,920
>> Well, I mean

3729
02:35:40,920 --> 02:35:42,360
>> Or give it give it

3730
02:35:42,360 --> 02:35:44,992
>> Here's the data right here.

3731
02:35:44,992 --> 02:35:46,280
>> [laughter]

3732
02:35:46,280 --> 02:35:49,560
>> But if it's if it's like an 8% then

3733
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:52,080
I I would think that 8% of their current

3734
02:35:52,080 --> 02:35:52,840
budget

3735
02:35:52,840 --> 02:35:54,200
>> I don't think it's likely in any

3736
02:35:54,200 --> 02:35:56,320
meeting, but I It's just I think you

3737
02:35:56,320 --> 02:35:58,640
give a percentage of that $60,000 into

3738
02:35:58,640 --> 02:36:00,040
the department.

3739
02:36:00,040 --> 02:36:00,400
>> Okay.

3740
02:36:00,400 --> 02:36:01,880
>> On based on the size of the department.

3741
02:36:01,880 --> 02:36:03,640
>> Okay.

3742
02:36:03,640 --> 02:36:06,160
Um go going back to the fleet, we would

3743
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:07,360
just

3744
02:36:07,360 --> 02:36:09,360
because they're

3745
02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:11,080
the way that I have it built into the

3746
02:36:11,080 --> 02:36:12,640
budget is

3747
02:36:12,640 --> 02:36:14,160
those

3748
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:16,320
leads that that are going to be rotated

3749
02:36:16,320 --> 02:36:17,640
next year

3750
02:36:17,640 --> 02:36:21,560
they do have a a higher cost to them.

3751
02:36:21,560 --> 02:36:24,440
Um because we're because we're

3752
02:36:24,440 --> 02:36:26,840
purchasing a new vehicle, we have that

3753
02:36:26,840 --> 02:36:31,280
cost and then we have the there's just that extra cost of

3754
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,840
purchasing the vehicle. We do build it

3755
02:36:33,840 --> 02:36:37,600
in so that that covers the expense side.

3756
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:40,400
Um but that's the extra cost to to the

3757
02:36:40,400 --> 02:36:43,720
departments within the general fund is

3758
02:36:43,720 --> 02:36:46,440
if they're going to rotate a vehicle,

3759
02:36:46,440 --> 02:36:48,120
there is an extra cost because there's

3760
02:36:48,120 --> 02:36:50,640
one more payment in that year

3761
02:36:50,640 --> 02:36:52,680
that they pay for, but we also gain that

3762
02:36:52,680 --> 02:36:56,240
back when we sell the vehicle.

3763
02:36:56,240 --> 02:36:58,040
Does that Does that

3764
02:36:58,040 --> 02:36:59,280
answer your question?

3765
02:36:59,280 --> 02:37:00,200
>> Yeah.

3766
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:02,470
>> Okay.

3767
02:37:02,480 --> 02:37:04,200
» Have we looked at getting sponsorships

3768
02:37:04,200 --> 02:37:07,320
for the Quint? I mean like STP and you

3769
02:37:07,320 --> 02:37:10,134
know like

3770
02:37:10,144 --> 02:37:12,080
» [laughter]

3771
02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:13,800
>> Just like NASCAR, man.

3772
02:37:13,800 --> 02:37:16,038
>> That was a big expense.

3773
02:37:16,038 --> 02:37:18,910
>> [laughter]

3774
02:37:18,920 --> 02:37:21,280
» I I do have to say that that Derek has

3775
02:37:21,280 --> 02:37:23,040
done a great job with that, the way that

3776
02:37:23,040 --> 02:37:26,280
it's set up to to make payments if we

3777
02:37:26,280 --> 02:37:28,400
make payments throughout the build.

3778
02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:30,240
There's certain discounts that we do get

3779
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:35,480
and I think that's a great option cuz that saves the city

3780
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:37,360
quite a bit.

3781
02:37:37,360 --> 02:37:46,814
>> We got a great chief, we know that.

3782
02:37:46,824 --> 02:37:50,390
» [laughter]

3783
02:37:50,400 --> 02:37:53,110
» Wow.

3784
02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:55,080
Okay.

3785
02:37:55,080 --> 02:37:57,160
Council have any other questions on the

3786
02:37:57,160 --> 02:37:57,720
budget?

3787
02:37:57,720 --> 02:37:59,680
>> Do No motion or anything on that, right?

3788
02:37:59,680 --> 02:38:00,520
>> I don't think so.

3789
02:38:00,520 --> 02:38:02,280
>> No, it's just discussion.

3790
02:38:02,280 --> 02:38:03,760
>> Thank you for the effort.

3791
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:04,680
>> Thank you. Thank you, Brett.

3792
02:38:04,680 --> 02:38:05,520
>> that's a good job.

3793
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:06,560
>> We appreciate it.

3794
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:07,200
>> Welcome.

3795
02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:09,880
>> Jamie, have you got anything?

3796
02:38:09,880 --> 02:38:10,600
>> No.

3797
02:38:10,600 --> 02:38:11,840
>> We're good.

3798
02:38:11,840 --> 02:38:14,640
We've done everything good tonight.

3799
02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:15,640
>> You're all a little brilliant.

3800
02:38:15,640 --> 02:38:17,600
>> Okay.

3801
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:18,480
Tia?

3802
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:20,360
thank you for being here. Are you

3803
02:38:20,360 --> 02:38:28,630
filling in for Shaylee or you

3804
02:38:28,640 --> 02:38:30,320
I saw you taking pictures, so I thought

3805
02:38:30,320 --> 02:38:32,840
you you were filling in for Shaylee.

3806
02:38:32,840 --> 02:38:35,440
Thank you for coming. Appreciate you.

3807
02:38:35,440 --> 02:38:38,160
>> She was here to support me.

3808
02:38:38,160 --> 02:38:40,240
>> Unless council has got something else

3809
02:38:40,240 --> 02:38:42,240
new business or something to report on

3810
02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:44,120
their committee, I'm going to ask that

3811
02:38:44,120 --> 02:38:45,160
we adjourn.

3812
02:38:45,160 --> 02:38:46,600
>> Move to adjourn.

3813
02:38:46,600 --> 02:38:47,640
>> Second.

3814
02:38:47,640 --> 02:38:48,840
>> All in favor, say I.

3815
02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:50,520
>> I.

3816
02:38:50,520 --> 02:38:53,000
>> Go home.