[1:59] Mhm.
[3:54] » Mhm.
[20:07] » Okay, we'd like to welcome everyone to
[20:08] South Weber City Council at 6:00 p.m. on
[20:11] Tuesday, April the 26th
[20:14] or 28th, 2026.
[20:16] We'll begin with the Pledge of
[20:17] Allegiance uh led by Councilman
[20:20] Halverson and then we'll have a prayer
[20:21] by Councilman Davis is not here, so
[20:25] ask uh Councilman Deales if he would
[20:27] mind offering that uh
[20:31] » Please stand and repeat after me.
[20:35] » I pledge allegiance
[20:37] to the flag
[20:38] of the United States of America
[20:41] and to the republic for which it stands,
[20:44] one nation under God, indivisible, with
[20:48] liberty and justice for all.
[21:03] » Our kind and most glorious heavenly
[21:04] Father, Father, we're so grateful that
[21:06] we could come here today
[21:08] to do the work of the city,
[21:10] to see its needs,
[21:12] to listen to its citizens,
[21:14] and to make the decisions that will be
[21:16] the best for all involved.
[21:19] Father, please bless that we will have
[21:20] thy spirit to guide us and direct us,
[21:23] and that we will also be able to keep
[21:24] the spirit of contention
[21:26] down so that we may have intelligent
[21:28] discussions, meaningful discussions,
[21:30] and come to solutions.
[21:33] This pray for humbly in the name of thy
[21:35] son, Jesus the Christ. Amen.
[21:37] >> Amen.
[21:40] Thank you, Councilman Deels, for filling
[21:42] in on the prayer for us. We appreciate
[21:44] that.
[21:45] Councilman Davis has been asked to be
[21:48] excused. He
[21:50] uh his business uh
[21:52] his work has him
[21:54] out of town.
[21:56] And we'd like to also excuse our
[21:59] uh city manager. He is ill this evening
[22:01] and is unable to be here with us.
[22:05] So, we'll begin with uh
[22:07] public comments.
[22:09] What we would like to do is if uh you've
[22:12] got a a comment
[22:14] that is not pertaining
[22:16] to the train club,
[22:18] uh
[22:19] to come up at this time with your public
[22:21] comments.
[22:23] Uh if you've got them for the train
[22:24] club, we'll have that
[22:26] public discussion a little later in the
[22:29] program. So, we'll begin
[22:31] with any other public comments. We ask
[22:34] that you come up to the microphone and
[22:37] state your name and the city in which
[22:39] you live.
[22:40] We'll allow you 3 minutes or less to
[22:42] speak, and please direct your remarks to
[22:45] the
[22:46] full council.
[22:49] Please be respectful.
[22:54] » Go ahead.
[22:55] >> Paul Sturm, South Weber City.
[22:58] My public comments are on agenda item
[23:00] number six, resolution 2608, amending
[23:03] the emer- emergency operations plan.
[23:06] The action item is the is has to do with
[23:09] the resolution and approving it.
[23:11] Comments, packet page 78 of 344. The
[23:14] primary evacuation route, north and
[23:16] west. First bullet correct. The second
[23:19] bullet says, "For residents on the west
[23:21] side of South Weber,
[23:23] direct traffic westward towards 89."
[23:26] Actually, it's eastward towards 89.
[23:30] Number two, packet page 91 of 344.
[23:34] Pocket
[23:36] response plan for collections.
[23:38] Date revised, December 25.
[23:42] Please ensure that all contacts and
[23:45] numbers have been updated since this
[23:48] 2025 update throughout the emergency
[23:51] operation plan.
[23:54] The next one, B.
[23:56] Gas, Dominion.
[23:58] It is no longer Dominion Energy. It is
[24:01] Enbridge Grant Gas as of September of
[24:03] '23. Their emergency number is
[24:06] 1-800-767-1689.
[24:11] General comment.
[24:14] Recommend that at least two fully
[24:16] indexed hard copies of the emergency
[24:19] operations plan
[24:21] with a table of contents plus external
[24:23] tabs be prepared and placed in the
[24:26] emergency operation operation center.
[24:30] And possibly another set in another
[24:33] location such as city hall. Thank you.
[24:37] >> Thank you, Paul.
[24:57] » Hi Mayor and Council. My name is Aaron
[24:59] Perry and I'm I'm a candidate for
[25:01] Sheriff. So, I just want to stop by and
[25:02] introduce myself. I started my career
[25:05] with the Davis County Sheriff's Office
[25:06] back in 1999 and I served for many years
[25:09] as a deputy here in South Weber. So, I
[25:11] have very fond memories actually of this
[25:13] building. I've memories of of Ray's
[25:16] service station that was across the
[25:17] street and then stopping by and and
[25:19] trying to convince Harold to not count
[25:22] his money at at midnight in the summer
[25:25] with his doors open and his back uh you
[25:28] know, his back to the door uh and and
[25:30] trying to provide security for him. So,
[25:32] I won't take any more of your time. I
[25:33] just wanted to introduce myself and I
[25:35] plan to stay for the entirety of the
[25:36] meeting. So, hopefully I get a chance to
[25:38] meet you individually, but thank you.
[25:40] >> Thank you.
[25:41] very much.
[25:45] » There's a few seats up here if you'd
[25:47] like.
[25:51] » Any other comments?
[25:56] Okay, we'll move on with our agenda. We
[25:58] first had the Davis County Sheriff's
[25:59] Department to do their quarterly report
[26:02] and they
[26:03] contacted us and said that they are
[26:04] running just a little bit late. So, when
[26:07] they get here, we'll try and
[26:10] get them in on that report. So, we'll
[26:12] start with uh
[26:17] the number five ordinance number five on
[26:19] the fireworks restriction.
[26:21] So, ordinance
[26:22] 2026-06
[26:25] fireworks
[26:26] restrictions.
[26:28] Uh Council, you have any discussions on
[26:29] this?
[26:32] >> Is this the same restrictions we had
[26:33] last year?
[26:34] >> Pretty much, I think.
[26:36] >> Yes. Okay.
[26:36] >> D- Derek, when's when's the last time we
[26:38] updated this?
[26:41] Sorry, Chief Tolman.
[26:48] » I believe we updated about 3 years ago
[26:50] when we made it a little bit more or we
[26:52] changed the boundary on the western but
[26:54] for the most part it's been the same map
[26:56] for the 10 years that I've been here.
[26:58] >> That's kind of what I thought.
[27:00] I just
[27:01] I know a lot of aerials.
[27:03] So it would be breaking this rule. I
[27:04] mean down in that new newly developed
[27:06] area at the western.
[27:08] That used to be farms and like you if
[27:10] you zoom in on this it still wasn't
[27:12] developed on this map. So
[27:14] I'm just wondering if that's an area
[27:15] that
[27:16] we could permit those in now that it's
[27:17] not farm ground.
[27:20] >> I don't
[27:21] >> I think there's still enough farm ground
[27:23] down there that I feel more comfortable
[27:25] especially with the wind heading towards
[27:27] where the farmland is down in that area.
[27:29] Um but once it's more fully developed
[27:31] I'd be okay revisiting those
[27:33] restrictions.
[27:34] >> Okay.
[27:34] >> In the future.
[27:36] >> Okay. I'm good with that.
[27:37] Chief if the
[27:39] it's projected we're supposed to have a
[27:40] drier hotter summer than normal. Uh can
[27:42] we amend these if we approve this one
[27:44] here? Can we amend it to be more
[27:45] restrictive later or are we fixed to
[27:47] this?
[27:47] >> We as a city cannot. The legislature has
[27:50] set it up that we have to have our map
[27:52] in place by May 1st.
[27:53] >> Okay.
[27:54] >> But if I believe the state legislature
[27:56] chooses to restrict it further that
[27:57] would have to come from them.
[27:59] >> Thank you.
[27:59] >> Yep.
[28:04] » Okay. So we can I thought you said
[28:06] different than that last week Jamie.
[28:10] >> No that that's correct. You can
[28:13] by my read of the statute you cannot go
[28:16] more restrictive than what you act on
[28:18] today.
[28:19] If you want to relax it later on
[28:22] you can do that. So if it turned out
[28:24] that you had a really wet spring and you
[28:26] thought conditions had changed and then
[28:27] in consultation with the fire marshal
[28:29] you
[28:30] felt like you could relax those
[28:32] restrictions you can do it. But May 1st
[28:34] is your deadline for
[28:35] >> I knew May 1st was the deadline that's
[28:37] why I didn't bring it here. So okay.
[28:43] » Okay.
[28:44] >> Mayor I move to approve ordinance
[28:45] 2026-06 fireworks restrictions as
[28:48] submitted.
[28:48] >> Seconded.
[28:50] >> Okay, we have
[28:52] motion and second by Councilman
[28:53] Halverson.
[28:55] Do a roll call vote starting with
[28:56] Councilman Halverson.
[28:57] >> Aye.
[29:02] » Okay. Unanimous, motion carries.
[29:05] Thank you.
[29:06] Don't see the Sheriff Department here
[29:08] yet. We'll go on to the next item,
[29:10] Resolution 26-08
[29:12] amending the emergency operation
[29:15] plan.
[29:16] Make some changes and corrections to
[29:18] that and
[29:20] Council look that over and have any
[29:22] other
[29:23] concerns or
[29:25] thoughts
[29:27] on that?
[29:28] >> I do and
[29:30] maybe
[29:31] Chief Tolman can help me out on this.
[29:32] So, looking through this, this is a
[29:34] policy procedure type of manual.
[29:39] One thing that I've noticed that it
[29:41] doesn't do good
[29:43] unlike everything else that's in it. I
[29:45] mean, this is a very good, very thorough
[29:46] start.
[29:48] South Weber is kind of a unique little
[29:51] city here. Not only do we have a small
[29:55] population and, you know, big walls
[29:57] around us,
[29:58] but we have a fire department that has
[30:03] two members that live in the city. Is
[30:05] that correct?
[30:06] >> No, we have
[30:10] at least five that live here in the
[30:11] city.
[30:11] >> Okay, good. Because I know that with the
[30:14] Davis County
[30:16] and where they come down into the city
[30:18] at certain times,
[30:20] as he walks in the doors, I mentioned
[30:21] his name.
[30:24] I'll be nice now.
[30:26] It it just kind of it kind of leaves me
[30:28] with this is a great perfect case
[30:31] scenario that happens at like 12:00 noon
[30:34] on a bright day when everybody's at
[30:36] work. But if this happens the other
[30:38] two-thirds of a day where you're at home
[30:41] or you're asleep or whatnot.
[30:44] Um do you feel that having the
[30:47] three on
[30:48] uh
[30:49] um on duty plus those that are inside
[30:52] the city will give you enough staff
[30:55] to be able to do it because I fear that
[30:58] um while most things can handle pretty
[31:00] well, I think if we have an earthquake
[31:01] of any reasonable size, six or over, let
[31:04] alone getting into a seven,
[31:05] we're not going to get help regionally
[31:07] from any of our allies. They've got
[31:09] plenty to take care of on their own.
[31:12] >> [clears throat]
[31:12] >> And that kind of leaves us um kind of
[31:15] with what we have in the city. How do
[31:17] you feel about that?
[31:19] >> I would love to have a six-unit staffing
[31:21] at the fire station.
[31:25] That That's how I feel about it.
[31:27] >> Okay.
[31:27] >> At the fire station full-time, huh?
[31:29] >> Yeah.
[31:30] >> I mean, I don't know whatever what other
[31:32] answer you want. The only way to fix
[31:33] that problem is to increase our
[31:35] staffing.
[31:36] Um there's not
[31:37] >> Well,
[31:38] have we looked into cuz I've looked at a
[31:40] couple of the other cities out there and
[31:41] they've really put a lot of time and
[31:42] effort into
[31:44] organizing and registering volunteers.
[31:48] Uh for example, we have a lot of nurses
[31:50] and doctors that work in this town that
[31:51] I know of. Um we have a lot of other uh
[31:54] police officers that work here. And if
[31:56] something happens in the middle of the
[31:57] night and they're unable to report to
[32:00] duty in their own city, those are people
[32:02] that we could pre-register and have at
[32:05] your disposal during those times. It's a
[32:07] volunteer core that way we can go and
[32:09] get all the background checks, we can
[32:10] give them an exact a role whenever it is
[32:13] that you would need so that those
[32:15] professionals and that I mean, this goes
[32:17] all the way to construction work and
[32:19] some of the big equipment um drivers.
[32:22] Um having that ready for you at any
[32:23] time, um would that be something
[32:26] helpful?
[32:27] >> Uh as far as helpful to me as far as
[32:29] doctors and nurses and and that goes and honestly, I'm going to I'm going to
[32:34] paint a gloomier picture than even the
[32:35] one you're painting.
[32:36] >> Yeah.
[32:37] >> Uh
[32:38] having work in the hospitals
[32:40] and and just the way our department's
[32:42] set up, anyone that's a medical
[32:44] professional is going to be recalled to
[32:45] their place of work.
[32:47] Right? And so all these doctors and
[32:49] nurses are going to be responding in to
[32:51] their jobs if they can get to their
[32:53] jobs.
[32:54] Um
[32:54] so as far as having a roster of who can
[32:56] come help me,
[32:58] one, legally,
[32:59] I don't think we can do that cuz they
[33:01] they'd have to be licensed as an EMS
[33:03] professional. And and unless there's a
[33:06] law a loophole in the law that we can
[33:07] utilize in such way, I don't know, but I
[33:08] imagine those people will be going back
[33:10] to the hospitals. I know that's how it
[33:12] was when I worked at the hospital. I was
[33:13] required to return to the hospital
[33:15] during emergencies.
[33:17] And then uh our staff, with most of our
[33:20] staff
[33:21] um being full-time elsewhere, they will
[33:23] probably get recalled to their full-time
[33:26] positions as well. And so you are stuck
[33:28] with myself, Ronnie Kates, um
[33:33] and the few guys that live here in town.
[33:35] So, I wish I had a a better answer for
[33:37] you, but that's just the reality of one,
[33:39] our staffing model, and two, those other
[33:42] medical professionals are going to be
[33:43] required to return to the hospital or
[33:46] wherever their place of work is.
[33:48] >> Well, I know that the other cities are
[33:49] doing it, and I went down a list of like
[33:52] the
[33:53] 20 cities just in the area, and
[33:56] they all had something like that. As a
[33:58] matter of fact, they put in code, which
[34:00] is something we might want to look at is
[34:02] actually putting um our roles and
[34:04] responsibilities, powers, and
[34:05] authorities of like the mayor um in code
[34:08] that says you're the one that can call
[34:10] for an um
[34:12] an evacuation and what level it has to
[34:14] be in. Um because state says that to
[34:18] you, but this way, if anything happens
[34:20] in the county, they know exactly who to
[34:22] come to and talk to. Uh but one of the
[34:24] things that they do on anyone like that,
[34:26] they make them a temporary employee of
[34:29] the city, which then covers them under
[34:31] our insurance plus they already have the
[34:34] good Samaritan insurance and stuff. Um I
[34:37] would just like to say that while we
[34:38] have this and I think this is fantastic
[34:40] and I'm not saying we don't adopt it,
[34:42] I'm saying that I would like to see
[34:45] this not be the last of this but that we
[34:47] do a
[34:48] whether it's with the safety committee
[34:50] or not, take a look at how we're going
[34:51] to handle that gap um because that it it makes me nervous
[34:58] having that few of people
[35:01] and I also feel nervous
[35:03] where the priority is going to always go
[35:06] whether it's going to be the huge
[35:07] massive traffic jam that's going to be
[35:09] happening on our freeways around here
[35:11] and the
[35:12] citizens or the people on there and our
[35:14] own individual citizens. So I know it's difficult and probably keeps you up
[35:18] at night but I would love to have
[35:19] something like that put into the plan.
[35:21] >> Yeah, I think it'd be great to have
[35:23] a list of people that are willing to
[35:24] become help during an emergency
[35:25] especially if they have
[35:27] medical qualifications. I was basing my
[35:30] comments off you stating a regional
[35:32] event like a big earthquake.
[35:34] >> Uh-huh.
[35:34] >> Uh the other cities if they have those
[35:36] agreements in place I would imagine that
[35:38] would be more for a localized event of
[35:40] some kind of mass casualty event where
[35:42] they're not going to be recalled to
[35:43] their place of work because it's not a
[35:45] giant region issue with thousands of
[35:47] casualties. It would be
[35:50] a lot it would help a lot in a in a
[35:52] smaller event that's only impacting our
[35:53] city. I don't have a problem with
[35:55] looking into something like that. I we
[35:57] would have to obviously run that through
[35:59] Jamie to see the legalities of
[36:01] considering them temporary employees and
[36:03] what that looks like but I think it's
[36:05] something worth looking into and I'd be
[36:07] happy to look up what other cities are
[36:08] doing as far as that goes.
[36:10] >> Okay and I can send you what I found on
[36:12] it if that gives you a head start.
[36:13] >> Yeah, that'd be great. Thank
[36:14] >> Was that something we could turn over to
[36:15] the safety committee?
[36:18] Okay.
[36:21] » But yeah, six minute staffing would
[36:22] solve all of this.
[36:25] >> [laughter]
[36:28] » We'll work on that when the budget hits.
[36:35] » Okay, anything else counselor? Are we
[36:37] ready to make a motion on this?
[36:42] » The only other thing that I would like
[36:43] to say is um
[36:45] in Paul Sturm's comments just those few
[36:48] additions or revisions, excuse me.
[36:52] >> Okay.
[36:52] >> To be added.
[36:57] » I will look for a motion then.
[36:58] >> I move to amend the I move to approve
[37:01] and amend resolution 2608 um amending it
[37:04] to incorporate uh the comments received
[37:06] during public comment as had it on the
[37:09] handout that was provided to the
[37:10] council.
[37:11] Um
[37:12] yeah. I don't know if you need any more
[37:13] detail than that, Jamie.
[37:15] >> I think that's good.
[37:16] >> Second.
[37:18] >> The motion is second by Councilwoman
[37:20] Woman Petty.
[37:21] The roll call vote starting with
[37:22] Councilwoman Windsor.
[37:23] >> Aye.
[37:28] Motion carries. Thank you very much.
[37:31] Okay, our uh Sheriff's Department did
[37:34] arrive and so we'll
[37:36] turn the time to them for their
[37:37] quarterly report.
[37:48] » Hello, I'm Lieutenant Mike Boyd.
[37:51] Uh I was just just left the range, had
[37:53] to shower real quick or else you guys
[37:55] would have been knocked out, so.
[37:57] >> [laughter]
[37:58] >> Thank you.
[37:58] >> Appreciate it.
[38:01] Uh appreciate your patience. So, I've
[38:04] got the numbers up here to present to
[38:06] you guys. This is uh
[38:08] reporting period from January 1 this
[38:10] year
[38:12] uh up until yesterday.
[38:14] You'll notice uh this is preliminary
[38:17] data, meaning we still have technically
[38:19] today and tomorrow that's not recorded
[38:21] on this.
[38:22] So,
[38:24] calls for service
[38:26] uh 1,294.
[38:30] Dispatch initiated, meaning uh dispatch
[38:32] received these received 331.
[38:36] Uh officers initiated
[38:38] um but on their own
[38:40] is 963.
[38:44] Uh we had a one mental health.
[38:48] We had 12 custodial arrests.
[38:53] We had 405 traffic stops.
[38:57] Nine of those or nine traffic accidents.
[39:01] We had 149 total citations.
[39:04] Enlisted out in lieu of an arrest, we
[39:07] had five.
[39:08] We had 83 moving violations.
[39:12] We had 23 non-moving violations and 38
[39:16] warnings.
[39:18] Uh reportable offenses, uh 64 were
[39:22] reportable.
[39:23] Uh six being DUI,
[39:26] six being sex offenses,
[39:29] six damaged property reports,
[39:32] four drug offense reports, four fraud,
[39:36] three vehicle burglaries,
[39:38] two assaults,
[39:40] and two thefts.
[39:43] Let me scroll. Two child abuse,
[39:46] one domestic violence, one weapon
[39:48] offense,
[39:49] one vehicle theft,
[39:53] and 26 other offenses.
[39:56] Um
[39:59] Offenses charged,
[40:02] we had five open containers
[40:05] uh or drinking in a vehicle,
[40:08] five use of possession of drug
[40:10] paraphernalia, use or sorry, possession
[40:13] of drug paraphernalia.
[40:16] Four possession of a controlled
[40:17] substance, uh that being specific to
[40:20] marijuana or spice.
[40:21] We had three driving on suspended or
[40:23] revoked license, three speeding.
[40:26] Two driving under the influence, uh that
[40:29] two being the first offense in 10 years,
[40:32] and two others driving under the
[40:33] influence, second offense in 10 years.
[40:38] Uh two operating a vehicle without
[40:40] insurance.
[40:41] Two failure to register expired
[40:43] registration vehicle registration.
[40:46] One alcohol restricted driver.
[40:49] One assault. One driving on denied,
[40:52] that's denied meaning denied
[40:54] license.
[40:56] One failure to register false info
[40:59] felony or
[41:01] uh lifetime required.
[41:06] One furnished vehicle without out
[41:10] um
[41:12] It's not my glasses over here.
[41:14] Yeah, the interlock device.
[41:18] One license plate uh
[41:21] wasn't readable within the law of so
[41:23] many feet, and no valid license
[41:27] or never obtained a license, and one
[41:29] possession of a controlled substance
[41:31] um scheduled one {slash} two.
[41:36] Possession or use of a controlled
[41:37] substance is one count, one required
[41:41] um
[41:43] the license plate not be invisible
[41:46] proper color.
[41:48] One threat of violence, one unlawful
[41:51] acquire possession transfer uh financial
[41:53] card. So, somebody had somebody else's
[41:56] financial card basically.
[41:59] Uh
[42:00] one unlawful possession of ID of
[42:02] another.
[42:05] Unsafe lane travel.
[42:09] A vehicle minor's missing inadequate.
[42:14] And one violation of uh JRA release, uh
[42:17] which is like a
[42:19] jail release agreement that they can't
[42:23] typically contact the individual that
[42:25] they were arrested in involvement with.
[42:28] And then one driving on a suspended or
[42:30] revoked license.
[42:33] And that totals your numbers for January
[42:37] 1 through April of yesterday.
[42:42] Do you have any questions for me?
[42:44] >> Yes, Sheriff. I do have a question with
[42:46] the recent law that was just put in
[42:48] action on e-bikes on public streets. How
[42:51] are you and deputies instructed to go
[42:52] about educating our public?
[42:56] » Uh
[42:58] I'll have to meet with the sheriff and
[43:01] the chiefs
[43:03] to see how we're going to go about doing
[43:04] that. It's a pretty big
[43:08] involvement in regards to e-bikes. Uh I
[43:11] know you guys have
[43:13] a city ordinance based on like sometime
[43:15] electric mopeds and scooters.
[43:19] Um I didn't look at your
[43:22] uh
[43:23] city ordinance
[43:25] in great detail to see how it compares
[43:27] to the new state statutes that are going
[43:29] to be passed May I think it's 6th.
[43:32] Um but we'll it
[43:35] other agencies I know are trying to get
[43:36] ahead of it. It's a big change because
[43:40] we have so many
[43:42] underage kids without helmets
[43:46] um riding
[43:48] what I believe is
[43:50] in the law
[43:51] excessive speeds that they're able to make out of these e-bikes.
[43:59] Um
[44:00] There's certain
[44:01] parameters in regards to whether it has
[44:03] pedals or
[44:05] the wattage.
[44:08] It's basically electric motorcycle a lot
[44:10] of them.
[44:11] And that's from what I understand that
[44:13] house bill is really defining.
[44:17] And we just need to get together and
[44:20] make sure we're in line with the the state statute that's going
[44:26] to pass.
[44:29] We have a new social media
[44:32] personnel that's joined our department.
[44:34] I know she will start helping us get the
[44:37] word out.
[44:39] Maybe do some videos. If not, do some
[44:41] announcements for sure.
[44:45] » I would hope at least the sheriff would
[44:47] educate our public first time offenders.
[44:50] >> Yeah.
[44:51] our sheriff's really good about
[44:53] that. I know our chief's really good
[44:54] about that. The patrol division is
[44:56] really good about first and foremost
[44:59] educating the public. Even on first,
[45:01] second offenses, kind of giving those
[45:03] warnings.
[45:04] And then
[45:06] um
[45:08] then forcing, right?
[45:10] Primary [clears throat] Primary No, no, Primary goal obviously for us is to
[45:14] keep everyone safe.
[45:16] And there's you guys have probably
[45:17] witnessed some of the individuals on
[45:19] these bikes crossing roads without
[45:20] looking and flying down the road without
[45:24] a helmet on and stuff. And we want to we
[45:26] want everyone to be safe.
[45:28] >> Thank you.
[45:29] >> You're welcome.
[45:30] >> Other comments?
[45:32] >> No, we appreciate what you're doing.
[45:34] >> Thank you. Thank you very much.
[45:35] >> Okay, thank you.
[45:37] Appreciate that.
[45:38] >> Thanks.
[45:43] » Okay.
[45:46] What do I announce that in there? This
[45:48] will be
[45:49] the uh
[45:51] public comments to consider termination
[45:53] of South Weber Motorcycle Riding Trail
[45:56] Club agreement.
[45:59] So, if you have some comments,
[46:02] We would ask you to
[46:04] come to the microphone, state your
[46:08] name and the city in which you live,
[46:11] and follow the same directions. You'll
[46:14] have 3 minutes or less to comment.
[46:16] And please direct
[46:19] your comments to the entire council, and
[46:22] please be respectful.
[46:24] And
[46:27] we'll take those comments and then we'll
[46:28] go from there.
[46:29] >> Mayor, but before the comments begin,
[46:31] can I offer a suggestion?
[46:33] >> Yes.
[46:34] >> For economy in the meeting,
[46:36] you'll want to balance being able to
[46:38] hear from everybody and get everybody's
[46:39] perspective, but also
[46:41] respect the time that everybody's given
[46:43] to be here.
[46:45] It is appropriate, if you want to do it,
[46:47] to invite folks to group their comments
[46:50] together,
[46:51] identify a spokesperson, and then you
[46:53] could maybe give
[46:55] the group a minute or two longer than
[46:57] what you would give an individual,
[46:59] and therefore avoid any comments that
[47:01] might be duplicative or or redundant.
[47:06] >> Okay, how many Show by the raise of
[47:07] hands, how many would like to come up
[47:09] and make a comment?
[47:16] You'll be given your turn.
[47:18] >> [laughter]
[47:21] » So, yes, let's I think that's a good
[47:23] suggestion cuz uh
[47:25] it could take a long time to hear
[47:27] everyone's comments. So, if you would
[47:29] like to get together for a minute or
[47:31] two, or elect a someone to represent you
[47:34] to make your comments,
[47:36] so everyone gets uh
[47:39] equal time and
[47:41] proper time. Would
[47:42] you willing to do that? What do you
[47:43] think, council? You good with that?
[47:46] >> I just want to make sure that everybody
[47:47] has a chance to be heard. And if they do
[47:49] want to group together, they can, but
[47:52] um I mean, I think this
[47:53] >> see how it goes? And if it looks like
[47:55] it's going to
[47:57] be longer than we thought.
[47:59] >> Blair says he's got all night.
[48:00] >> Believe
[48:02] >> [laughter]
[48:02] >> As long as you can stand there.
[48:03] >> Let's uh
[48:05] Let's [clears throat] please be
[48:05] respectful of the 3 minutes that you've
[48:07] got then. And we'll uh
[48:11] » I'll pass on that.
[48:12] >> Okay.
[48:13] >> My 3 minutes is up. Sorry. [laughter]
[48:16] >> You have another 5 minutes.
[48:17] >> Oh, man.
[48:19] I get nervous at these kind of things,
[48:20] so I hope I just not do a shotgun effect
[48:23] and just put it quick to you guys
[48:24] better.
[48:25] >> State your name.
[48:26] >> My name is Ron Anderson. Thanks, Blair.
[48:28] I figured you knew me. No.
[48:30] 6832 Firth Farm Road.
[48:33] As far as I know, I was the first member
[48:36] of the train club to move in or the club
[48:38] train club. My uh
[48:41] house abuts the train.
[48:43] And when I moved in, we when we decided
[48:46] to move here, I saw the master plan.
[48:49] And the train went up and around the
[48:50] barn and as everybody else knows the
[48:53] how the history of that went. And year
[48:55] after year, new mayors and council have
[48:57] come in and that's changed
[48:59] significantly.
[49:01] Uh
[49:02] we were told that if we build a train
[49:04] that we could put a spur onto the track
[49:06] and run it out from our home. My train
[49:08] that I built, it took 7 years of
[49:10] TLC to get it for my wife. It's a cute
[49:13] little thing. I don't run it very often.
[49:14] It's electric and the gas ones that they
[49:16] run give me headaches, so
[49:18] we'll let that go. But anyway,
[49:21] that went a long ways.
[49:24] Time came by and me and Blair and Angie
[49:27] made an agreement that if I did a
[49:29] 80-ft radius behind my house, took care
[49:31] of it, grassed it, weeded it, watered
[49:33] it, kept it nice, that the train would
[49:35] eventually go up and through my backyard
[49:37] or butt my backyard.
[49:39] And we made that agreement and I think
[49:41] we did a pretty good job of keeping
[49:43] that.
[49:44] I know that on both sides, both the
[49:47] train and the city, that promises have
[49:48] been made. Some of them haven't been
[49:50] kept on both sides.
[49:52] I mean, that's that's the way life is.
[49:54] Some people can do it, some people
[49:56] can't. Some things are overlooked.
[49:59] But I built this train and I built it
[50:01] because I love railroads, trains. I
[50:03] always have as a kid. When I lived
[50:06] going up in Ogden, I used to go to learn
[50:08] far and ride their little train. I don't
[50:10] know if the older guys here remember
[50:12] that.
[50:13] And in fact down to the motor view.
[50:16] Okay, how are you?
[50:18] Okay.
[50:19] I think it's a great thing. I think the
[50:20] train has. Yeah, there's been problems
[50:22] on both sides, agreements,
[50:23] disagreements, problems. I know I've
[50:25] tried to work some things out and 3
[50:27] years ago I quit my membership into the
[50:30] train club because I could see problems
[50:32] coming that I couldn't solve and that
[50:34] made me feel bad.
[50:35] On last note, on one of my last times
[50:38] running a train,
[50:39] this lady used to come and bring her son
[50:43] every week to ride the train.
[50:45] And I knew who she was and her son
[50:48] introduced him and later on in the year
[50:50] about first part of October,
[50:52] this little boy's dad showed up with him
[50:54] and it was Jay Hill. I don't know if
[50:56] anybody knows who Jay Hill is or know
[50:57] who he is, football coach for Weber
[50:59] State back then.
[51:01] And he shows up with his boy and I work
[51:03] stats with Weber State
[51:05] and he uh
[51:07] was there and I said, "Jay, what are you
[51:09] doing here?" I said, "You have a
[51:10] football game in 2 hours."
[51:12] He says, "I'm here for my son."
[51:15] What more can you say?
[51:17] I appreciate you guys' help, the city.
[51:20] I hope this is looked as maybe a bump
[51:23] that they can keep here because it is a
[51:24] great family thing. Thank you for your
[51:26] time.
[51:31] » No, you better stay here the whole time.
[51:34] >> Can I get on real quick?
[51:38] Uh Michael Grant, 2622 Deer Run Drive.
[51:41] Um I want to know four things from the
[51:43] city council.
[51:44] Uh one is um
[51:47] does the train operator, do they have a
[51:49] financial incentive? Are they making
[51:51] profit or not? If they are not, then
[51:54] obviously they don't have, um, a reason
[51:56] to maintain it. Number two, what's the
[51:59] liability?
[52:00] Do we have an insurance there? Um, if
[52:03] kids get hurt, then of course we could
[52:05] have problems and we have to be safe
[52:07] first. Number three is, um,
[52:11] the mechanical items which are like
[52:13] jagged,
[52:14] um, shards of iron and metal sticking
[52:16] out, they obviously need to be fixed by
[52:19] the company.
[52:21] But the fourth item is, if there's like
[52:23] just landscaping and weeds growing,
[52:26] maybe throw it out to to the public, we
[52:29] might just volunteer our time and just
[52:30] fix it up.
[52:32] So, th- these seem to be small issues,
[52:34] should be relatively easy to fix. Such a
[52:36] good thing for the city. Thank you.
[52:38] >> Thanks, Mike.
[52:41] >> And anybody who's repeating the same
[52:42] thing in order to cut short on the time,
[52:45] maybe don't repeat. Just a suggestion.
[52:57] » Patrick Brannon, South Ogden.
[52:59] Uh, I plan on moving down here as soon
[53:02] as I can afford to and find a house that
[53:05] is bordering this the train park.
[53:08] Uh,
[53:09] at least assuming that we are allowed to
[53:12] stay.
[53:13] I have been a member of the train park
[53:16] for 12 of the train club there at the
[53:18] park for 12 years,
[53:20] 12 plus years now.
[53:22] I love it. I
[53:26] It's the only time, well, on our run
[53:28] days is the only time I see anyone else
[53:31] at that park.
[53:32] So, if you s- take away the trains, I really
[53:36] don't see any reason to keep the park.
[53:40] Uh,
[53:43] we have not
[53:45] the
[53:45] city does not spend any money on
[53:48] maintaining the tracks or
[53:51] the club.
[53:52] So, I really see no reason why you
[53:55] shouldn't keep it.
[53:57] >> Thank you.
[54:05] » My name is Marliese Jones. I live at 631
[54:08] Green Springs Way. I've lived in Davis
[54:10] County for over 30 years and I've worked
[54:12] in city, state, and county government. I
[54:16] prosecuted as a city prosecutor in
[54:17] Layton for 8 years. And the the asset
[54:21] that you have here with this park and
[54:23] with the train that circles it and
[54:25] brings families together and communities
[54:27] together to enjoy it. I take my
[54:28] grandkids over there. It is a real
[54:31] benefit. It's hard to find these kinds
[54:33] of good things in our in our day and
[54:36] age. We know that. If our kids aren't
[54:37] outside, if we're not doing things as a
[54:39] family, they're more inclined to be
[54:40] doing other things. And those things,
[54:43] you know, would end up bringing them
[54:44] down paths that we would break our
[54:46] hearts to see.
[54:48] Um it does sound like there are issues
[54:50] that need to be addressed and I would
[54:51] encourage the city council to be
[54:53] motivated to try and find the solutions
[54:56] to work together. Um maybe it is too
[54:59] much for the for the folks with the
[55:00] club. I don't know. I don't have a
[55:01] history with them. But if it could be
[55:04] more collaborative and working together
[55:05] to make it safe, keep that benefit here
[55:08] to strengthen the community and the
[55:09] families that live here in South Weber,
[55:12] it would be a huge benefit. It would be
[55:13] really a shame to see it be gone. Um and
[55:17] there are a lot of cities that decline
[55:19] because of lack of family involvement
[55:22] and engagement and activities. And this
[55:25] is a great wholesome way to get them
[55:26] outdoors, get them active, and get them
[55:28] interested in trains, in engineering, in
[55:30] science, in all the things that come
[55:32] from that. So, I'd encourage you to
[55:34] consider that with a solution-oriented
[55:36] mindset instead of just determination
[55:38] and saying we're tired, we're done. That
[55:40] maybe we take that extra step to keep
[55:42] it. Thank you.
[55:43] >> Thank you.
[55:53] » Hi, my name is Aaron Greer. I'm from
[55:56] Bountiful. This is my daughter Abby.
[55:58] My wife and I
[56:00] have seven kids. And for many years
[56:03] we've been regular participants in the
[56:06] train rides in the park.
[56:07] And um just to echo some of what's been
[56:10] said, but to bring our own sense of experience to this,
[56:15] it it's an activity my kids look forward
[56:17] to and they've looked forward to
[56:19] for many years.
[56:20] Um
[56:22] years ago I was involved in the RC
[56:24] airplane
[56:25] model port down in the North Salt Lake
[56:28] area.
[56:29] And uh
[56:31] there was a situation where the land it
[56:33] was it was previously owned by the state
[56:36] and it was traded to the city
[56:38] and the city made promises to
[56:41] provide a place for it, to provide some
[56:43] funding, and uh to work with the RC
[56:46] clubs to steward it.
[56:49] And it was quite a fight. It took many
[56:51] years. Once it was displaced, um soccer
[56:54] fields were put in there.
[56:55] Um eventually it it was located in a
[56:58] place that
[57:00] uh was was far from the beaten path. Uh
[57:03] it was not well attended and the city's
[57:06] interest in supporting it, you know, it
[57:08] went downhill. It didn't it didn't take
[57:09] long for it to just become unusable and
[57:13] as far as I know now, there's really no
[57:15] care being taken of it.
[57:17] Um but it it was another disappointing
[57:19] thing. My kids also really enjoyed that.
[57:22] Not having that resource available, it
[57:24] definitely affected our family. I know
[57:26] it affected many other families. And
[57:28] there's whole generations of kids now
[57:30] who are growing up
[57:32] who just don't get the kind of
[57:33] experience that I myself had and also other many
[57:38] other children have had and I'm an
[57:40] engineer and I can definitely say
[57:42] experiences like that influenced my
[57:45] direction in life. It kept me out of
[57:48] other kinds of trouble that I might have
[57:49] gotten in if I wasn't focused on that
[57:51] goal. Um it inspired me. I know that it
[57:55] also inspires my kids. Um they're pretty sad to hear that this
[57:59] might not be available anymore and I
[58:02] also just want to say to the the model
[58:04] railroad club, thank you very much for
[58:07] all the years and hours of hard work. I
[58:09] know from my experience with the RC
[58:11] club, it's kind of a thankless thing but
[58:13] the community does definitely appreciate
[58:15] it. It's noticed and thank you.
[58:18] >> Appreciate it.
[58:27] » My name is Karen Anderson and I live at
[58:29] 6832 Firth Road.
[58:32] And I just probably have a caveat to
[58:35] what everybody's going to probably say
[58:37] today but these members of these train
[58:39] clubs give up their own personal time
[58:43] every third Saturday from April to
[58:46] October to for the benefit of the city
[58:49] and for the benefit of the families that
[58:52] want to come and ride the train.
[58:54] So, I hope that when you take in
[58:57] consideration
[58:59] about abolishing the agreement with the
[59:01] train club that you would think of all
[59:03] those members and all those families
[59:05] that rely on
[59:08] good wholesome family activities that we
[59:10] can provide to the people of the city of
[59:13] South Weber. So, thank you.
[59:15] >> Thank you.
[59:15] >> Thanks, Karen.
[59:18] » Hi, my name is Amy McDaniel. I'm a newer
[59:20] resident to South Weber. My husband and
[59:22] I moved here last April and when we were
[59:25] looking at towns and trying to decide
[59:27] where to buy our house. I went online
[59:29] and I saw some information but not a
[59:31] lot. But one thing I did see was that
[59:33] there was a little model railroad here
[59:34] in town and it made me feel like this
[59:36] would be a nice safe friendly community
[59:39] sort of place to buy our home and that's
[59:41] exactly what South Weber has turned out
[59:42] to be. We're very happy here. Um but I'm
[59:44] sad to think that such a you know giving
[59:47] and wonderful program might be
[59:49] dismantled. It's something that actually
[59:51] drew us to this to this community and it
[59:53] has been truly representative of the
[59:55] kindness and generosity that I found in
[59:58] my neighbors here in South Weber.
[1:00:00] Thank you.
[1:00:01] >> Thank you, Annie.
[1:00:02] >> Thank you.
[1:00:13] » Hi, Marty McFadden, South Weber.
[1:00:16] Uh
[1:00:17] I am not a part of the train club.
[1:00:20] Uh but I I live right next to the the
[1:00:23] park and uh
[1:00:26] I love it.
[1:00:29] Uh I I I I
[1:00:31] look forward to the day when I could
[1:00:33] join the train club when I'm a grandpa
[1:00:36] and I have littles
[1:00:37] that can ride that train.
[1:00:39] >> You're old enough then.
[1:00:41] >> I'm getting there. I'm getting there.
[1:00:43] Um
[1:00:44] and um
[1:00:46] I I just I don't know
[1:00:49] where we would go wrong
[1:00:52] to
[1:00:53] destroy something that creates
[1:00:55] consistent
[1:00:56] meaningful community engagement.
[1:01:00] This is something that is an opt-in
[1:01:02] opportunity for
[1:01:05] teenagers and adults to be a part of.
[1:01:10] This is
[1:01:11] something that doesn't require any
[1:01:13] anybody to pay anything to do it.
[1:01:16] And it gives us an identity.
[1:01:19] What are we if we We have the train
[1:01:20] park.
[1:01:23] Nothing.
[1:01:25] Wind blows in.
[1:01:27] So, anyway,
[1:01:29] I
[1:01:30] save the trains.
[1:01:32] Thank you.
[1:01:42] » I'm Parker Christensen. I'm the
[1:01:44] president of the South Weber Model
[1:01:45] Railroad Club this year. And um
[1:01:48] one thing I'd like to get up and talk
[1:01:50] about is our club's safe history and our
[1:01:52] safe record. We've always carried our
[1:01:54] own liability insurance.
[1:01:56] And I'm sure people touch on that
[1:01:57] better, but we've never had an incident.
[1:01:59] Um and one thing that we pride ourselves
[1:02:01] on that being part of is everything that
[1:02:04] we do in the club is handmade to
[1:02:05] standards. Everything we do, we make on
[1:02:08] our own, and we train club members how
[1:02:09] to do stuff. We train others, and part
[1:02:11] of us being a 501c3
[1:02:13] is we also open our doors to the
[1:02:14] community. We've hosted numerous Eagle
[1:02:17] Scout projects. We've let Wever State
[1:02:19] come. We showed Wever State how our
[1:02:21] trains work. We showed them everything
[1:02:22] on how the trains function, stay on the
[1:02:24] tracks,
[1:02:25] how all of that happens seamlessly. And
[1:02:28] Wever State took that to their
[1:02:29] engineering department. Their
[1:02:30] engineering department took every spec,
[1:02:32] everything, did computer analysis, built
[1:02:34] us a handicap train car. And the
[1:02:36] handicap train car allows a handicap
[1:02:38] person in a seat that holds them in
[1:02:40] safely. It's a way the train car sits so
[1:02:42] it can't tip, which none of our train
[1:02:43] cars can, but this one sits lower than
[1:02:45] any others, and it allows for a
[1:02:47] caretaker to sit behind them.
[1:02:49] And one cool thing about this that we've
[1:02:50] done with a lot of these activities,
[1:02:52] being 501c3, we take all this and
[1:02:54] anybody who wants specs and information
[1:02:56] on how to build that, we share. We've
[1:02:58] had clubs from Australia, California,
[1:03:00] and all around other places reach out
[1:03:01] and ask, "How can I do that?" And
[1:03:03] >> [clears throat]
[1:03:03] >> we like being part of the community. We
[1:03:05] like letting the community give back as
[1:03:06] much as we can give back to them. So,
[1:03:10] Thank you.
[1:03:10] >> Thank you, Parker.
[1:03:16] » Hi, my name is Wren Strong. I'm from
[1:03:17] Bountiful.
[1:03:19] Um one of the questions that I've not
[1:03:21] seen addressed and I reviewed the packet
[1:03:23] that is online regarding the train, the
[1:03:25] 216 pages. What I couldn't find is a
[1:03:28] staff report on the on the city's
[1:03:30] website for the agenda. So just have the
[1:03:32] train packet. So I don't know what the
[1:03:34] staff report said about this issue. In
[1:03:37] 2023, the agreement was entered into
[1:03:39] between the train club and the city. It
[1:03:41] called the train club advantageous and
[1:03:44] desirable services. So what's changed in
[1:03:46] the last 3 years that this is no longer
[1:03:48] advantageous or desirable to have in
[1:03:50] your community?
[1:03:51] It draws in people from other
[1:03:53] communities to come here to the city,
[1:03:55] purchase items here. You're contributing
[1:03:58] to your tax base. You're contributing to
[1:04:00] the livelihood of this this city.
[1:04:02] And it's just a concern that that
[1:04:04] information wasn't really available
[1:04:06] online when I hope to be able to view
[1:04:08] that.
[1:04:09] Um nor did I see anything about what the
[1:04:11] cost of the insurance is. Um certainly
[1:04:13] the trust came out. They did their
[1:04:14] inspection. The club uh I didn't see
[1:04:17] anything in the 216 pages as to what the club's response to their report was.
[1:04:23] Did the club respond? Did they say,
[1:04:25] "Okay, we're going to be addressing
[1:04:26] these?" Or did they have a plan for
[1:04:27] addressing them? From what I've heard,
[1:04:29] they did have some some ideas on how to
[1:04:31] handle this.
[1:04:33] But as the previous state um speaker
[1:04:35] stated, I'd really love to see a
[1:04:37] collaborative relationship between the
[1:04:38] city and this important activity that
[1:04:41] really is for families here in the
[1:04:42] community.
[1:04:44] I don't know how much the insurance is
[1:04:46] costing the city for this. I don't know
[1:04:47] if it is financial decision or why the
[1:04:49] city is feeling that, "Oh no, time for
[1:04:52] the club to go from this park." But as
[1:04:54] you've heard here tonight, so many
[1:04:55] people do have an interest and a love
[1:04:57] for it. And I think it is is as it is an
[1:05:00] important asset for your community.
[1:05:03] >> Thank you.
[1:05:06] They will take one more.
[1:05:09] And Pete Pete, if you want to get up and
[1:05:12] talk now, I told you no, but I let
[1:05:14] Parker.
[1:05:15] So, that will be if you come up and
[1:05:17] that'll be the response from the train
[1:05:18] club and then we'll move along.
[1:05:22] >> Am I limited to 3 minutes?
[1:05:24] >> Yeah.
[1:05:29] » Okay.
[1:05:31] >> May I think we ought to give him some
[1:05:33] more time than 3 minutes.
[1:05:34] >> Okay.
[1:05:36] >> Thank you for your comments, everybody.
[1:05:39] And no, the city doesn't pay for
[1:05:41] insurance, we do
[1:05:43] out of our pocket.
[1:05:44] They don't pay for anything for the
[1:05:46] train, nothing. They give us no support.
[1:05:50] Just to make that clear beginning.
[1:05:53] >> Will you Will you state your name just
[1:05:55] for the record?
[1:05:55] >> My name is Pete Robbins.
[1:05:58] I am the treasurer
[1:06:00] of the club.
[1:06:01] I've been a member of the club for 12
[1:06:03] years.
[1:06:04] And I have a list of things here that
[1:06:07] the city has directed us to do over the
[1:06:08] last 12 years. It's been very
[1:06:10] time-consuming
[1:06:12] and we have done our very best
[1:06:15] to uh
[1:06:17] facilitate
[1:06:19] their requests.
[1:06:22] Uh move tracks by the north fence line,
[1:06:24] move trucks tracks from the west
[1:06:26] wetlands,
[1:06:28] and that's another thing.
[1:06:30] One of the things that they said on
[1:06:31] their their website was that we have not
[1:06:34] made any increase or improvement like
[1:06:36] they wished we would. We were making
[1:06:38] improvements in and increasing things
[1:06:41] and we had a wetlands thing, we had to
[1:06:42] tear a bunch of track out, we couldn't
[1:06:44] use a bunch of track. We had to strip
[1:06:47] our yard.
[1:06:48] It was It was very time-consuming over a
[1:06:51] 2-year period.
[1:06:53] Then along came COVID and that really
[1:06:56] screwed things up.
[1:06:57] Um
[1:06:59] we removed
[1:07:02] well
[1:07:04] we removed three bridges at the city's
[1:07:06] request
[1:07:08] and agreed to remove the rest by the end
[1:07:10] of May.
[1:07:11] Uh
[1:07:12] you can see the city minutes that that
[1:07:14] that's what our agreement was that we'd
[1:07:15] remove the bridges by the end of May.
[1:07:18] Uh and they're saying that we aren't
[1:07:20] responding to the things they want
[1:07:21] responded. We're We're working at it,
[1:07:24] but you know, what's funny is this month
[1:07:26] we could have been working all month,
[1:07:28] and you told us that we could not come
[1:07:29] to the park and couldn't do anything.
[1:07:33] One of our prime months to work.
[1:07:36] If I sound a little upset,
[1:07:38] well, you're wrong. I'm very upset.
[1:07:42] >> Please control it.
[1:07:43] >> The The bridges The bridges that you
[1:07:46] asked us to remove were originally
[1:07:47] required by the city.
[1:07:50] Your city hydrological engineer told us
[1:07:52] that he had to have those bridges to
[1:07:55] handle the runoff from that large field
[1:07:58] if you have a downpour.
[1:08:00] If we put two 5-in pipes or one 5-in
[1:08:03] pipe underneath our track, you're going
[1:08:06] to build an acre-foot of water out
[1:08:08] there, and it'll wash our track out. And
[1:08:10] guess what's going to happen to all that
[1:08:11] water? It's going to go in somebody's
[1:08:13] basement.
[1:08:14] And then you'll be liable for that. We
[1:08:16] won't because I just made that statement
[1:08:18] here
[1:08:20] that we need to have your input before
[1:08:23] we take those bridges out as to what you
[1:08:26] want us to do to handle that water.
[1:08:29] Because we were taught told, and I still
[1:08:32] have the paperwork
[1:08:34] from you the directive from your
[1:08:35] engineer that we had to build those
[1:08:38] bridges. We had those built.
[1:08:40] They were fabricated to be put in there.
[1:08:43] They're fabricated according to national
[1:08:45] standards.
[1:08:46] They're supported according to national
[1:08:48] standards. After a hard winter,
[1:08:51] we didn't have a real hard winter, but
[1:08:52] we had enough that it should it loosens
[1:08:55] the gravel and destabilizes the the
[1:08:58] bridges.
[1:09:00] And we had our inspection before we got
[1:09:01] there to to re-stabilize them, but it
[1:09:04] was before we ran.
[1:09:06] That's what we needed. We need to stay
[1:09:07] safe.
[1:09:08] And as it was stated earlier, we've
[1:09:10] never had an accident.
[1:09:13] 12 years, that's not too bad.
[1:09:17] Okay.
[1:09:20] Relocate track that they rebuilt train
[1:09:22] loading Okay, we rebuilt the train
[1:09:25] loading ramp. There's a picture on there
[1:09:26] of the train loading ramp that is
[1:09:28] falling apart. It isn't anymore. A lot
[1:09:31] of the pictures that are online are not
[1:09:33] at not current. They are from 2022 and
[1:09:38] 2023.
[1:09:40] If If
[1:09:41] they've deleted the the dates from them,
[1:09:44] but guess what? I've got copies of them
[1:09:46] when they were originally taken. And and
[1:09:49] some of them were were given to the
[1:09:51] insurance person, and he asked me,
[1:09:53] "Where Where's this?" And I said,
[1:09:55] "You're standing on it." He says, "Well,
[1:09:57] I don't see any of this." And I said,
[1:09:58] "No, that's because this picture was
[1:10:00] taken when we were doing replacing a
[1:10:02] bunch of ties, and the ties that we took
[1:10:04] out were thrown off the side of the
[1:10:06] track, and somebody took a picture of it
[1:10:08] and put it in their
[1:10:10] pocket so they could use it later, but
[1:10:12] those ties haven't been there for years.
[1:10:16] And uh
[1:10:17] and the things that the other things
[1:10:19] that they showed, I have pictures I'm
[1:10:20] happy to show people.
[1:10:22] These things have all been repaired
[1:10:24] since I I came up and walked through
[1:10:25] with the your insurance person.
[1:10:28] And we made an agreement on each thing
[1:10:30] what we needed to do.
[1:10:32] And some of the things that you'd send
[1:10:34] him pictures of that he was looking at,
[1:10:36] he said, "Well, it looks like you're
[1:10:38] making good headway on these things." He
[1:10:39] says, "Just keep it up." He says, "I
[1:10:41] think you're doing fine." So, you know,
[1:10:44] to get
[1:10:45] the sudden knife in the back that Oh,
[1:10:48] well, it's been 30 days He He said it
[1:10:50] doesn't have to be done in 30 days in
[1:10:52] his report.
[1:10:53] He said, "Just keep doing what you're
[1:10:55] doing." I called him to ask him to come
[1:10:57] to this meeting. He was in Florida and
[1:10:59] they were just flying out to go to
[1:11:02] Europe for for a month with his family.
[1:11:04] So, he he couldn't be here, but he said,
[1:11:07] "Just tell them that there was nothing
[1:11:10] that was so terrible that it needed to
[1:11:13] be done immediately or I would have told
[1:11:15] you that it needed to be done
[1:11:16] immediately."
[1:11:18] I said, "Well, I'll tell them that."
[1:11:22] Okay. Um
[1:11:25] Thank you for saying that that we spend
[1:11:28] our weekends here.
[1:11:29] Haha. One weekend a month.
[1:11:32] >> [laughter]
[1:11:33] >> Play one weekend a month right at the
[1:11:35] time of work.
[1:11:36] >> Well, and and even on the weekends that
[1:11:38] we run, half our staff is out working on
[1:11:41] things.
[1:11:42] So, it's it's not
[1:11:44] Yeah, there are there are people who
[1:11:46] just think we come here to play and it's
[1:11:48] not the case. Oh, and Ron, you've only
[1:11:50] been not registered for 2 years, not
[1:11:52] three.
[1:11:54] I know. I'm the treasurer.
[1:11:58] Okay.
[1:12:00] One of the problems with the weeds
[1:12:03] is last year was a very wet year.
[1:12:06] And that's where all the pictures are
[1:12:08] taken. If you've taken any pictures,
[1:12:09] which I have, of the tracks this year,
[1:12:12] there's no weeds.
[1:12:15] We were up here every weekend last year
[1:12:19] weeding and I hired I hired a group of
[1:12:21] students twice. Cost me $600 to have
[1:12:25] them come up and weed and you can't keep
[1:12:28] up with it when it's raining like that.
[1:12:29] And
[1:12:31] this is the first year that the city has
[1:12:33] seen it fit to mow their weeds.
[1:12:37] That field that's south and east of the
[1:12:40] ballpark,
[1:12:42] we we
[1:12:43] cut our weeds back that far, but guess
[1:12:45] what? The weeds that were next to that
[1:12:47] were 3 4 ft tall and the weed seeds were
[1:12:49] just blowing over on our track all the
[1:12:51] time.
[1:12:52] You can't keep up up that way. Well,
[1:12:54] guess what? This year for the first year
[1:12:56] in 12 years, you mowed that field and we
[1:13:00] haven't had weeds.
[1:13:02] Funny thing.
[1:13:07] Let's When Shay and I walked through
[1:13:09] >> Please wrap it up.
[1:13:10] >> Oh, sure.
[1:13:11] >> I don't appreciate some of your
[1:13:12] comments.
[1:13:13] >> Well, I'm sorry.
[1:13:15] Does it Does it bring things to the
[1:13:17] forefront? I'm sorry.
[1:13:19] Um when Shay and I walked through with
[1:13:21] the inspector,
[1:13:24] she asked me why
[1:13:26] the city was having us take care of the
[1:13:29] weeds between our tracks and the fence.
[1:13:32] And I said, "Well, the city felt that it
[1:13:34] would be difficult to get your machinery
[1:13:36] back in there to handle the weeds."
[1:13:38] And she says, "Well, that's no problem."
[1:13:40] She says, "I'll talk to the city and see
[1:13:41] if they can't change their mind on
[1:13:43] that." And And then when we got down to
[1:13:45] the triangular area,
[1:13:47] I said,
[1:13:48] "You know, I since we can't do anything
[1:13:50] with this anymore,
[1:13:52] I'll just I'd like to pull the track
[1:13:54] back to the switches and turn this area
[1:13:56] back to the city because it's so
[1:13:58] difficult to keep that area out of weeds
[1:14:00] because the weeds blow down the hill
[1:14:02] from that dirt mound that you've got
[1:14:04] with all those weeds all over it."
[1:14:06] And she said, "Well, I think that makes
[1:14:08] plain sense." She says, "I'll I'll see
[1:14:09] if we can't get that taken care of,
[1:14:11] too."
[1:14:13] Well, I hadn't heard anything back on
[1:14:15] that.
[1:14:16] And there was one other question that I
[1:14:18] asked her to ask the city about the the
[1:14:20] spauling where the snow plows hit the
[1:14:23] track and and spaul the concrete next to
[1:14:26] it. If they want us to fix it, we'll fix
[1:14:27] it. If the city wants to fix it, they
[1:14:29] can fix it.
[1:14:32] What we have done is we've built a
[1:14:33] handicap car to allow those who can't
[1:14:36] otherwise ride the train. We've built
[1:14:37] five new passenger cars.
[1:14:40] We've improved crowd control barricades.
[1:14:42] We've upgraded and improved signage. And
[1:14:45] incidentally, in your
[1:14:47] presentation, it says that we haven't
[1:14:50] put any signs up.
[1:14:52] That's because 2 [snorts] years ago at
[1:14:54] our meeting with you in the other room,
[1:14:56] you said you didn't want us to put any
[1:14:58] permanent signs up. We could use the
[1:15:01] A-frame type signs and put them out when
[1:15:03] we were here. But you didn't want any
[1:15:05] permanent signs. So no, we haven't put
[1:15:07] any permanent signs up because we're
[1:15:08] told not to.
[1:15:10] Okay.
[1:15:12] We have regular safety training for our
[1:15:14] operators.
[1:15:16] Uh
[1:15:17] we designed and and ordered signage as
[1:15:19] requested by the insurance inspector
[1:15:21] during our inspection. He said the
[1:15:23] switches that are on the ground, he was
[1:15:25] worried about people stumbling on them.
[1:15:27] That that's what that was all about. He
[1:15:30] suggested we put a sign up by each
[1:15:32] switch, about 14 in tall. And I said,
[1:15:36] "That's going to be a tripping hazard."
[1:15:38] You know, if somebody's walking along
[1:15:40] looking at their cell phone, they're going to go
[1:15:43] right on their nose. So I said, "How's
[1:15:45] about we put the sign up at about 5 ft?"
[1:15:48] You know, make a nice sign. He said,
[1:15:50] "That's a better idea. Let's do that."
[1:15:51] And he says, "That's fine with me." He
[1:15:53] says, "That'll take care of the problem.
[1:15:55] No problem." So we had the signs being
[1:15:57] made until we got stopped. You know, I
[1:15:59] mean, somebody tells you you're going to
[1:16:01] be thrown out, you don't
[1:16:03] Um
[1:16:08] the
[1:16:10] We have the the gates
[1:16:12] to fence the back of the trailer, and
[1:16:14] that was scheduled with our work crew to
[1:16:16] come up on the 4th of the month and hang
[1:16:18] those gates.
[1:16:21] And we were told we couldn't come and do
[1:16:22] anything.
[1:16:24] >> And you've got 1 minute. Thank you.
[1:16:25] >> Okay. I have pictures that show all of
[1:16:28] the corrections that we have already
[1:16:30] made
[1:16:31] that were on the inspection. I sent a
[1:16:33] copy of the inspection of our
[1:16:35] corrections to the inspector, and he
[1:16:37] sent me back an email saying, "Looks
[1:16:39] like you're making great progress.
[1:16:41] You've done most of it."
[1:16:43] Thank you for your time and I appreciate
[1:16:44] you all being here.
[1:16:49] » Thank you everyone for your comments. We
[1:16:51] appreciate it.
[1:16:54] That's some interesting uh
[1:16:56] things said.
[1:16:58] Uh what we would like to
[1:17:00] do is uh Shay from our Parks Department,
[1:17:03] we'd like for her
[1:17:05] to uh if you'd like to do it from there,
[1:17:06] Shay, you can. Just pull up a mic
[1:17:09] and uh
[1:17:11] bring us the city's
[1:17:13] perspective on this.
[1:17:23] » Since the beginning of the train club in
[1:17:24] South Weber City, there has been
[1:17:26] unfulfilled promises and expectations.
[1:17:30] The plan was
[1:17:33] >> No one commented during your
[1:17:37] » The plan was to have a train park theme,
[1:17:40] kind of like an amusement park.
[1:17:43] Um the track was to extend into Peterson
[1:17:46] Family Park, have bridges, turns,
[1:17:50] elevation changes,
[1:17:52] tunnels,
[1:17:53] some shops, some like little buildings
[1:17:55] all along the way.
[1:17:57] The dream and the vision was to have a
[1:17:59] really neat train park and have it be a
[1:18:02] destination.
[1:18:05] Those were dreams and visions.
[1:18:08] None of this has come to fruition.
[1:18:11] Over the past 15 years, there hasn't
[1:18:13] been any significant improvements,
[1:18:15] rather frustration with the tra- train
[1:18:17] club leadership and resources.
[1:18:21] The train club doesn't have the budget,
[1:18:23] the manpower,
[1:18:25] membership, time, or equipment to keep
[1:18:28] the amenity safe and well-maintained.
[1:18:31] This has been a 15-year experiment that
[1:18:34] continues to repeat the same problems.
[1:18:38] Last year alone, there were four
[1:18:41] violations for not maintaining weeds.
[1:18:43] May 8th,
[1:18:45] May 27th,
[1:18:47] June 5th,
[1:18:48] September 5th, and a fine October 14th
[1:18:52] for $100 a day
[1:18:55] until the weeds had been remedied.
[1:18:57] This is a poor reflection on the city as
[1:18:59] well as the train club.
[1:19:03] There are also several high-risk safety
[1:19:05] items that have not been addressed for 5
[1:19:07] years.
[1:19:09] June 21st June 2021, there was a safety
[1:19:12] audit conducted by the city's insurance
[1:19:15] company. Items were not addressed in a
[1:19:17] timely manner and were brought up during
[1:19:19] meetings with the city later on that
[1:19:21] were still not taken care of.
[1:19:25] March 5th, 2026, another safety audit
[1:19:28] was completed. As Pete Robins and I met
[1:19:31] with the inspector and we walked the
[1:19:33] track.
[1:19:35] There were several similar safety
[1:19:37] hazards that had still not had been
[1:19:38] repaired in the past 5 years.
[1:19:41] Mr. Robins promised the inspector that
[1:19:44] he would get the loading dock fixed in a
[1:19:46] timely manner
[1:19:48] because safety was a top priority to the
[1:19:51] train club.
[1:19:53] The inspector did not put that on
[1:19:55] the report since he was he told the
[1:19:58] inspector it was going to be done in a
[1:20:00] timely manner and was very convincing.
[1:20:04] Mr. Robins was on the news last Saturday
[1:20:06] and said the train club has never had an
[1:20:08] accident.
[1:20:10] What happened April 16th, 2016?
[1:20:15] The train turned over.
[1:20:18] Mr. Robins has said that he didn't know
[1:20:20] about the safety concerns on the news.
[1:20:24] When I spoke to Parker Christensen on
[1:20:27] the phone April 7th, he told me most of
[1:20:29] the safety hazards would not be able to
[1:20:31] be fixed until after May or June this
[1:20:34] summer
[1:20:35] since they didn't have the tractor
[1:20:36] available or personnel until that time.
[1:20:41] I mentioned to him
[1:20:43] run days would start in July
[1:20:45] is what I'm hearing.
[1:20:47] He said
[1:20:48] what items need to be fixed for us to
[1:20:50] run? And I mentioned all of them.
[1:20:56] Clearly, the train club does not have
[1:20:57] the manpower, membership budget
[1:21:01] maintenance expertise or drive to get
[1:21:02] these changes done.
[1:21:05] It's been 15 years of unfulfilled
[1:21:06] promises and expectations that have not
[1:21:09] been met.
[1:21:10] The city cannot spend more resources
[1:21:12] hand-holding the train club.
[1:21:15] How long will these safety issues go
[1:21:17] unaddressed?
[1:21:19] When someone gets hurt
[1:21:21] what's the plan?
[1:21:24] We have two reports with the exact same
[1:21:26] safety hazards.
[1:21:28] With this history in my experience
[1:21:32] as a steward over the parks and wanting
[1:21:34] to make sure that they are safe and
[1:21:35] maintained
[1:21:37] it is my recommendation to the council
[1:21:39] to terminate the agreement with the
[1:21:41] train club.
[1:21:42] Move forward with a safe and
[1:21:44] well-maintained park.
[1:21:47] If you have any further questions, I'm
[1:21:49] happy to answer them.
[1:21:52] » Shay, thank you. Anyone have questions?
[1:21:55] >> They might come up.
[1:21:56] >> Excuse me.
[1:21:57] >> Yeah.
[1:21:58] >> Shay, also Shay, open
[1:22:00] >> Thank you.
[1:22:00] >> You're welcome.
[1:22:06] » All right, council. You heard from
[1:22:09] everyone here.
[1:22:11] I might just add before we
[1:22:13] uh go any further that
[1:22:16] as being mayor for 5 years
[1:22:18] uh pretty much uh items that Shay
[1:22:21] has mentioned is what has taken place.
[1:22:24] I've been very disappointed with the
[1:22:25] train club. We have quarterly, we have
[1:22:27] yearly meetings with them.
[1:22:29] We've met them down at the train
[1:22:32] uh park
[1:22:33] and uh walked the track and made
[1:22:35] suggestions to them. And uh very little
[1:22:39] have they done. And if they it's gotten
[1:22:41] done, it's because we've
[1:22:44] stayed on them and stayed on them and
[1:22:45] stayed on them to uh to do it. Uh
[1:22:51] the violations were the just like she
[1:22:53] said, we had them 4 years ago.
[1:22:55] 4 years later, we've still got the same
[1:22:57] violations.
[1:22:59] That's my biggest concern. Uh we as a
[1:23:02] city council have uh it's our obligation
[1:23:06] to keep everyone safe
[1:23:08] in our parks and throughout the city,
[1:23:10] and that's what we're trying to do. It's
[1:23:12] not that we don't enjoy the uh the train
[1:23:14] club, we do. We have the same feelings
[1:23:16] that you guys have towards the train
[1:23:17] club. Everybody enjoys it, but we cannot
[1:23:21] overlook these violations, and they need
[1:23:23] to be
[1:23:24] taken care of. And we met with them, we
[1:23:27] told them when we received the
[1:23:29] violations this year, we would give them
[1:23:31] uh 30 days, I believe it was, to correct
[1:23:33] them. Uh after 30 days, very little had
[1:23:36] been done. And we were
[1:23:39] uh
[1:23:40] told that it was going to be
[1:23:42] June, July before they could get a a
[1:23:44] backhoe to take care of some of them,
[1:23:47] and then we just can't postpone it. When
[1:23:49] you have safety issues like this, they
[1:23:51] need to be addressed.
[1:23:52] And
[1:23:54] so my observation with these guys are
[1:23:57] great guys. They love the train club.
[1:24:00] They love to do their work. The problem
[1:24:02] that they've got is they're
[1:24:05] lacking with funds. They don't have the
[1:24:06] money to take care of the repairs that
[1:24:10] are needed, and they don't have the
[1:24:12] support from their members to come out
[1:24:15] and to help them
[1:24:17] pull weeds, and clean the park, and do
[1:24:20] the maintenance that's required. And
[1:24:22] that that's what
[1:24:24] I feel that the problem is. It's not
[1:24:27] that they don't want to, it's that they
[1:24:30] need help. And being a small club like
[1:24:33] this, I don't know if they're capable of
[1:24:36] doing that.
[1:24:38] That's my observation of it, and
[1:24:40] Council, I'll turn the time to you to
[1:24:42] for any remarks or questions that you'd
[1:24:44] like to make.
[1:24:51] » No, sir.
[1:24:54] I mean
[1:24:57] I will say, Pete, until you stood up
[1:25:00] I was all in favor of keeping it, but
[1:25:02] you reminded me of how much I fought
[1:25:03] with everybody for 10 years the last 10
[1:25:05] years.
[1:25:06] And that's been the that's been the just
[1:25:08] so the public understands it
[1:25:11] that's what we've been dealing with.
[1:25:12] It's always just blaming
[1:25:15] and never doing. I mean, I I literally
[1:25:17] my first job as council member was to be
[1:25:20] on the parks committee.
[1:25:22] And one
[1:25:24] they didn't have an updated agreement,
[1:25:25] Ange and I would and the current city
[1:25:28] staff had to come up with a new
[1:25:30] agreement.
[1:25:32] And
[1:25:33] the contention that's been in the room
[1:25:35] every
[1:25:36] train club meeting, we met quarterly at
[1:25:38] that time.
[1:25:41] I mean
[1:25:43] and yes, John's my neighbor, but we
[1:25:44] fought.
[1:25:46] And it was crazy. I mean, here we're
[1:25:48] trying to keep a park here that the the
[1:25:50] city has donated 35,000 to have here.
[1:25:53] So, the fact that you say we haven't
[1:25:55] donated anything
[1:25:57] is false.
[1:25:59] Thanks to Mayor Peterson in the back, we
[1:26:02] gave 35,000 so the train club even
[1:26:04] exists.
[1:26:05] Or it wouldn't be in the park.
[1:26:07] You couldn't afford the track.
[1:26:10] And that's a fact.
[1:26:13] So
[1:26:16] you you really reminded me of the
[1:26:18] contention that has happened here.
[1:26:21] And it and it boiled my blood and boiled
[1:26:23] everybody's blood up here because
[1:26:26] that's how we're treated when we ask for
[1:26:28] something to be done in those meetings.
[1:26:31] Every single time.
[1:26:33] So, for everybody to say this is
[1:26:34] happening overnight and getting stabbed
[1:26:36] in the back,
[1:26:37] well, then you sure haven't been paying
[1:26:38] attention for the last 10 years that
[1:26:40] I've been involved.
[1:26:43] So,
[1:26:45] I'm in favor of keeping the train park.
[1:26:49] I'm not in favor of the way your club
[1:26:50] deals with the city.
[1:26:54] So,
[1:26:56] I I wish I could have heard from
[1:26:59] Mayor Peterson and maybe his point of
[1:27:00] view cuz he lives there. He helped fund
[1:27:02] it, he helped start it. I see the vision
[1:27:04] of what was there and why it needed to
[1:27:06] be there.
[1:27:09] Um but our city can't afford to do some
[1:27:12] of the areas in the park. I get why you
[1:27:14] haven't been able to do a lot of them,
[1:27:17] but you could maintain what's there.
[1:27:20] And I even tried to help you figure out
[1:27:22] how to get rid of the weeds without
[1:27:24] standing out there on your knees and
[1:27:25] pulling them. You can spend $79 on
[1:27:27] Roundup just like I do in my pasture.
[1:27:30] So, but if you can't afford that,
[1:27:35] then we got a whole other problem.
[1:27:39] So, I I don't know where I'm at,
[1:27:40] council, on it, to be honest with you. I
[1:27:43] If it If it stays,
[1:27:45] I think something drastically has to
[1:27:46] change.
[1:27:48] And it isn't just pulling the weeds, and
[1:27:50] it isn't It's It's It's a no bigger
[1:27:52] overall picture
[1:27:53] with the train club
[1:27:56] has to change.
[1:27:58] So,
[1:27:59] >> Thank you, Blair. I appreciate that, and
[1:28:01] to piggyback on that, um
[1:28:04] I just was taking notes of all of the
[1:28:06] public comment, and I I listened to all
[1:28:09] of it, and I considered all of it. And
[1:28:12] when we have had meetings like Blair has
[1:28:15] said, it is contentious and we're trying
[1:28:18] to be a team. So, I I felt like we have
[1:28:21] worked with the train club for so long
[1:28:24] and that's why things have gone so long
[1:28:26] without being remedied because we're
[1:28:29] told that they will work on this or
[1:28:30] they'll work on that. So, we give them
[1:28:32] time and the deadline passes and it's
[1:28:34] not finished. This has been our history
[1:28:36] with the train club.
[1:28:38] And my biggest concern as a steward over
[1:28:40] the city is I'm in charge of safety and
[1:28:44] tax money. And I know people work hard
[1:28:46] for their taxes that they pay.
[1:28:48] So, it doesn't seem fair for people to
[1:28:51] have to pay taxes to maintain an amenity
[1:28:54] that was started by a club that the
[1:28:56] city's already invested money in.
[1:28:59] I don't see any money in our parks
[1:29:00] budget for us to take over operations.
[1:29:03] And I have
[1:29:04] seriously thought of every conceivable
[1:29:07] solution to this. Every different way we
[1:29:10] could work together. Out of the box.
[1:29:12] What if we take over operations? What if
[1:29:14] we contract with them and they do the
[1:29:17] operations and we do the maintenance?
[1:29:21] Every single solution ended up with the
[1:29:22] city having to take over and the city
[1:29:24] simply doesn't have the funds for it.
[1:29:27] I don't want the train to go. I know
[1:29:28] that people love it. It's very fun. But
[1:29:31] when we have impalement and that was the
[1:29:34] what the insurance
[1:29:36] um
[1:29:36] the gentleman from the our insurance the
[1:29:38] trust said, those switches aren't just
[1:29:41] tripping hazards. They're impalements.
[1:29:43] That that
[1:29:45] the lawsuit that could be brought up to
[1:29:48] the city is a waste of our funds. And I
[1:29:51] don't feel like it's appropriate for
[1:29:53] people to be for the city to be leaving
[1:29:55] us at risk of wasting taxpayer funds if
[1:29:58] there's safety issues that just are not
[1:30:00] being met.
[1:30:02] Um
[1:30:05] Uh like Blair said, we've had I I mean,
[1:30:07] I was just listening to these meetings
[1:30:10] and and excuses after excuses. I want
[1:30:13] you guys to be successful. I truly do. I
[1:30:15] know that people think that I don't. I
[1:30:17] do.
[1:30:18] But, I feel like it is just too much
[1:30:20] money for us.
[1:30:22] Um, and
[1:30:24] if I recall, Blair, correct correct me
[1:30:26] if I'm wrong, we were told
[1:30:28] that the staff couldn't bring, um,
[1:30:32] when we met one of our earlier meetings,
[1:30:34] that city staff could not bring their
[1:30:36] mowers by the track because they were
[1:30:38] damaging the rail. And that is why the
[1:30:40] train club is supposed to maintain
[1:30:43] the, you know, however many feet
[1:30:45] >> on it.
[1:30:46] >> from the trails from the tracks.
[1:30:48] So, it's not that this park was
[1:30:51] maintaining that, but that we were told
[1:30:54] in no uncertain terms that we were
[1:30:57] ruining their track, and so we needed to
[1:30:59] get out. And that's that's where we're
[1:31:01] at. We have this a city park funded by
[1:31:05] public funds, and we have a club funded
[1:31:08] by, you know, however many members with
[1:31:11] a limited budget, and we're trying to
[1:31:13] have this cohesive relationship, and
[1:31:16] it's not working.
[1:31:18] So, it's not that I want it to go, and
[1:31:20] something would have to change if it
[1:31:21] stays, but I just I don't see any way
[1:31:25] for it to continue as is.
[1:31:32] » Thomas.
[1:31:36] All eyes looking down on me, so I guess
[1:31:37] I'll take the mic for a second.
[1:31:39] >> Okay.
[1:31:39] >> Um,
[1:31:40] thank you all for being here today. I
[1:31:42] appreciate
[1:31:44] yours.
[1:31:46] I am on the Parks Committee, all right.
[1:31:50] I don't have much
[1:31:53] We appreciate that sharing.
[1:31:57] » My turn?
[1:31:58] >> I thought it was.
[1:32:00] Don't ask me to repeat what I just
[1:32:02] Welcome everybody. I'll repeat that
[1:32:04] part. Um
[1:32:07] I get the sense uh the emotional aspect
[1:32:09] here and I'm trying not to get too much
[1:32:11] involved in the emotions and trying to
[1:32:12] take the emotions out of this.
[1:32:14] Obviously, there's some animosities on
[1:32:16] both sides that were expressed.
[1:32:18] That's unfortunate.
[1:32:20] I think the park was established as a
[1:32:22] train park. It also has ball parks, ball
[1:32:25] fields, playgrounds, other amenities, uh
[1:32:28] but it's an attraction and it was
[1:32:30] developed around that. Uh obviously,
[1:32:32] there are visions and dreams to make it
[1:32:33] pristine. They haven't happened.
[1:32:36] Why they haven't happened, I'm not going
[1:32:37] to here start pointing fingers. It
[1:32:38] doesn't matter.
[1:32:40] They're not there.
[1:32:41] Um
[1:32:43] I was concerned reading the materials to
[1:32:45] why certain
[1:32:47] insurance items and impalements had not
[1:32:49] been addressed in 5 years.
[1:32:52] That's a concern.
[1:32:53] The weeds
[1:32:56] It's a park. We can maintain the park.
[1:32:59] Now, I hadn't heard that we can't Sorry,
[1:33:00] Joel, I can't ask you to vote yet.
[1:33:03] Councillor Woman Page, you might I I did
[1:33:04] not know that we were not allowed to mow
[1:33:08] next to the tracks.
[1:33:09] Uh if that's the true statement, I'm not
[1:33:10] saying it's not, but if we can't do
[1:33:12] that, we should be able to come up with
[1:33:14] some some ideas to what we can do here.
[1:33:16] I think it needs to stay, but I you
[1:33:18] know, I don't think it's going to cost a
[1:33:19] fortune to have to maintain.
[1:33:22] Although, it's going to cost some
[1:33:23] monies, uh but I think that's what
[1:33:25] people moved here for.
[1:33:26] Uh I think that's some people do benefit
[1:33:28] from that as part of the park.
[1:33:30] Um but I think we got to come to some
[1:33:33] uh consolidation or considerations
[1:33:34] between the two. What that is, I'm
[1:33:37] struggling with as well. I don't know
[1:33:39] what I don't have a solution.
[1:33:41] Um
[1:33:42] I think throwing it out the wall out the door and reestablishing the park
[1:33:46] for something else is probably not the
[1:33:47] immediate response right now.
[1:33:49] But you guys have been working on it for
[1:33:50] 10 years, so I don't know what that that
[1:33:51] plan might be, either.
[1:33:53] Uh obviously, we needed another attitude
[1:33:56] internally
[1:33:57] with some of attitudes toward the the
[1:33:59] train club. I think there's some
[1:34:00] attitudes on the train club
[1:34:02] that need to be modified quite quickly
[1:34:04] if this is going to move forward.
[1:34:06] Um and I think we need to raise to a
[1:34:08] higher level so that we can both live
[1:34:10] in that park and enjoy it.
[1:34:12] One op- one option I'll throw to the
[1:34:14] council is we take over the maintenance
[1:34:16] of the entire park including the tracks,
[1:34:17] whatever that might be.
[1:34:19] It might mean the use of their
[1:34:20] facilities in order to use spray weeds
[1:34:23] along the tracks or do something like
[1:34:24] that which you should accommodate if
[1:34:26] we're going to help maintain the weeds.
[1:34:28] But I also think uh they need to take
[1:34:31] all this staff, all these people right
[1:34:33] here,
[1:34:34] have a volunteer day.
[1:34:35] You can get rid of all your problems
[1:34:37] real quickly so they can continue to
[1:34:38] enjoy. I mean you were real quick to get
[1:34:41] this into the court of public opinion,
[1:34:42] but
[1:34:44] where's the action when it comes to
[1:34:45] addressing some of these items? I would like to see
[1:34:48] 10% of that effort put toward,
[1:34:51] you know, the maintenance aspect of it
[1:34:53] and not the criticism of what we're
[1:34:54] doing or not doing to help you out.
[1:34:56] Those are your feelings. I respect those
[1:34:59] feelings, but we're not going to get
[1:35:01] anywhere if we're going to keep tearing
[1:35:02] each other down.
[1:35:03] If you want the park to remain, I'm here
[1:35:05] to try to help support it, but we got to
[1:35:06] come to a higher ground as to what
[1:35:07] they're going to do. Otherwise, we're
[1:35:09] not going to be able to survive.
[1:35:11] We have an investment
[1:35:12] in those parks. I think we need to
[1:35:15] support that investment, but how we do
[1:35:17] that, I don't have an answer other than
[1:35:19] we might need to take over some of the
[1:35:21] grounds aspect if we can.
[1:35:24] Uh it's going to cost us some some
[1:35:26] additional dollars.
[1:35:27] Maybe we have contract operators, those
[1:35:30] who operate the trains.
[1:35:32] They write a contract with the city and
[1:35:34] have certain responsibilities in regards
[1:35:35] to liability and so forth. Pay a nominal
[1:35:38] annual fee that can go towards
[1:35:41] staff maintaining the weeds and things
[1:35:43] of that nature. We can discuss a mutual
[1:35:45] respons- uh mutual relationship that
[1:35:46] way, but
[1:35:48] um I think we got to find a win-win uh
[1:35:50] win-lose aspect here and I don't don't
[1:35:52] know other than that what that might be.
[1:35:53] So, I'm still thinking on it, but that's
[1:35:55] where I'm at.
[1:35:58] » Councilor Dale.
[1:36:00] >> Um,
[1:36:05] last year,
[1:36:06] um, was my first year not on the,
[1:36:09] uh, Parks Committee.
[1:36:11] The 5 years before that, um, I had the
[1:36:15] opportunity
[1:36:17] to work with the train club and its
[1:36:20] members.
[1:36:22] And the very first session
[1:36:25] that we all attended,
[1:36:27] um,
[1:36:29] I said multiple times,
[1:36:33] "Past is the past. Stop it."
[1:36:36] Okay, there were a lot of things done on
[1:36:38] both sides that didn't get done.
[1:36:42] And instead of dealing with it like
[1:36:45] adults, both sides
[1:36:48] thought that
[1:36:49] those who yelled the most was going to
[1:36:51] get the best response.
[1:36:54] That caused animosity and all kinds of
[1:36:56] problems.
[1:36:57] But,
[1:36:59] after those, or through those 5 years, I
[1:37:02] watched the train club change.
[1:37:06] They worked with us.
[1:37:07] We got a new contract, went through the
[1:37:10] contract, made sure that the city was
[1:37:12] covered legally, made sure that everyone
[1:37:14] was taken care of.
[1:37:16] It was a good contract.
[1:37:19] In it, it allowed us to go on and charge
[1:37:21] fines for when things are going wrong.
[1:37:25] But, as one of the people that was
[1:37:26] working on that, I can look back now and
[1:37:28] see the big failure that I take credit
[1:37:31] for.
[1:37:32] And that is that
[1:37:35] the train club
[1:37:37] is a group of hobbyists.
[1:37:39] And they are very sincere in what they
[1:37:42] do.
[1:37:43] And
[1:37:45] while they are
[1:37:48] great at trains,
[1:37:50] they are miserable at weeders.
[1:37:53] Um
[1:37:54] and
[1:37:56] they're miserable at
[1:37:58] engineering bridges.
[1:38:00] And they're miserable at engineering all
[1:38:02] kinds of other new additions to the
[1:38:04] city.
[1:38:06] Matter of fact, it's funny. We keep on
[1:38:08] going back and saying, you know, they
[1:38:10] were going to do this. They were going
[1:38:11] to do this. And yet in those meetings I
[1:38:13] saw a number of times as they would try
[1:38:15] to bring something for us to deal with.
[1:38:19] We'd say, "Well, we need some
[1:38:20] engineering plans."
[1:38:21] They're not engineers.
[1:38:23] And they definitely couldn't afford
[1:38:25] engineering plans.
[1:38:28] What this gets down to in my opinion,
[1:38:30] and I understand that this is just
[1:38:33] a perspective of mine, but
[1:38:37] I think the city has to take one step
[1:38:39] forward of realizing, do we want a train
[1:38:44] park? Regardless of anything else. We
[1:38:47] have a park down there, and it is our
[1:38:49] responsibility to take care of that
[1:38:50] park.
[1:38:51] And when we sit here and say, "Well,
[1:38:53] we're so worried about all of these
[1:38:55] issues that could endanger persons." Um
[1:38:58] then we should have been out there
[1:38:59] getting that thing fixed immediately.
[1:39:01] And if we needed to charge the train
[1:39:02] club or do something else, that's fine.
[1:39:04] But
[1:39:05] if there is issues with the park that we
[1:39:08] feel are that dangerous, it is our
[1:39:09] responsibility as it is our fiduciary
[1:39:14] duty
[1:39:15] to make sure that those things don't
[1:39:16] happen.
[1:39:17] Now, if we move forward with the train
[1:39:19] club,
[1:39:21] we're going to run into those again.
[1:39:23] There's still going to be more. I've
[1:39:25] never seen an audit that doesn't come up
[1:39:27] with something.
[1:39:29] But that means that we're going to have
[1:39:30] to say, "Okay, this is what we as a city
[1:39:34] have declared this is going to be a
[1:39:36] train park." And that means some of it
[1:39:38] has to be on our end. We're the experts
[1:39:40] at that.
[1:39:42] And the things that we're expert at,
[1:39:43] let's do it. I mean, the weeding, we put
[1:39:46] that into the contract because it wasn't
[1:39:47] ever being done.
[1:39:49] Can they cut around the areas with
[1:39:52] stone? Yes, they can.
[1:39:55] Does it cause additional issues? Sure.
[1:39:58] There are a place There's a triangle
[1:40:00] place that the big lawnmowers can't get
[1:40:02] into. It's a one little triangle area, I
[1:40:03] understand that. Fine.
[1:40:06] Then as the city, that's our
[1:40:07] responsibility to go in and say, "Okay,
[1:40:10] then what are we going to do to this?
[1:40:11] Are we going to gravel it?
[1:40:13] and put trees
[1:40:14] in it?" Whatever we want to do, but I
[1:40:16] think there's a difference. When we look
[1:40:19] at the
[1:40:21] um soccer
[1:40:23] fields that we have here, or the
[1:40:24] baseball diamond that just cost us an
[1:40:26] over what, a million something it seemed
[1:40:28] like to be able to resurface that,
[1:40:30] rebuild it.
[1:40:33] Well, that was ours.
[1:40:34] We weren't getting any money out of it,
[1:40:36] but guess what? A regional tournament
[1:40:38] always goes on there.
[1:40:40] We have city leagues that play there.
[1:40:43] I wouldn't expect the pitcher to go out
[1:40:45] and make his own mound.
[1:40:47] As a matter of fact, I'm sure that
[1:40:49] Curtis would be pretty upset if one ever
[1:40:50] tried.
[1:40:52] We have standards in the city that we
[1:40:53] have to follow.
[1:40:56] And
[1:40:57] I'm just saying that
[1:41:00] he said, she said, good, bad, it's time
[1:41:03] for us to decide number one, we want the
[1:41:05] park to have the train. There's We'd be
[1:41:08] one of three in the entire state that I
[1:41:10] know of.
[1:41:11] We got Sarasota, we got St. George who
[1:41:13] is actually run completely by the city,
[1:41:16] and then
[1:41:17] us.
[1:41:19] We haven't had to pay, you know, check
[1:41:21] Sarasota Springs if you want to find out
[1:41:22] how much they have to pay
[1:41:25] for their park to be constantly
[1:41:27] maintained. We've never had those kind
[1:41:28] of issues. We've never had to get into
[1:41:29] there, but we have kept the train
[1:41:32] hobbyist at such a push away distance
[1:41:36] from the city and do a lot of this is
[1:41:39] theirs, this is ours. And I like what
[1:41:41] you said, Wayne. We have to figure out
[1:41:44] if they can't do it, it still falls on
[1:41:47] us.
[1:41:48] If we kick them out today and spend an
[1:41:50] exorbitant amount of money to rip out
[1:41:52] the track, rip out the
[1:41:54] gate, the signal gate, um and then
[1:41:58] either leave it plain dirt or pave it or
[1:42:01] whatever we're going to to see, that's a
[1:42:04] huge cost for us. Matter of fact, if
[1:42:07] I would bet that that's much bigger cost
[1:42:09] than what it would be for us to just
[1:42:11] handle the park as if it was our own
[1:42:13] park that we were taking care of
[1:42:15] and then
[1:42:16] leasing it
[1:42:17] to a hobbyist group. And I for one, uh
[1:42:21] these are called
[1:42:22] public private um
[1:42:25] partnerships.
[1:42:27] They're all over. This isn't something
[1:42:29] new we're inventing here. So, if we did
[1:42:32] something like that where we just said,
[1:42:33] "Okay, this is our park to protect our
[1:42:35] citizens. We're going to take care of
[1:42:36] these kind of issues on it because we
[1:42:38] want a group of
[1:42:40] train-crazy people to be able to ride
[1:42:43] the train as much as they want, to be
[1:42:45] able to come out and enjoy their hobby,
[1:42:49] then that's what we need to do.
[1:42:51] I for one believe that's what we ought
[1:42:52] to do. I think that
[1:42:54] the unique
[1:42:56] marketing opportunity that South Weber
[1:42:58] has, I mean, I I I don't take it quite
[1:43:00] as far as, you know, then we don't have
[1:43:03] the need for a park. But, I do say that
[1:43:07] if they come in and when I was looking
[1:43:10] just on um Facebook, we have everyone
[1:43:14] from Sandy, Logan, West Jordan, all of
[1:43:16] these people that were calling or
[1:43:18] writing in saying, "I come there every
[1:43:20] once in a while for this."
[1:43:22] That's a huge distance to have people
[1:43:24] come in, go past our Maverick,
[1:43:26] buy a drink probably, fill up with gas
[1:43:28] if they need to, go buy Burly Burger,
[1:43:31] and at least they get the market
[1:43:32] recognition. Heck, now all of these
[1:43:34] people know that we've got a General RV
[1:43:36] here that they probably wouldn't have
[1:43:37] known of before.
[1:43:38] There's a lot of draw to it that doesn't
[1:43:41] cost us.
[1:43:44] There are things that we could provide
[1:43:46] and I think that we should.
[1:43:48] Um
[1:43:49] I mean
[1:43:50] uh
[1:43:51] if if I could make a suggestion, I would
[1:43:55] say
[1:43:57] we do not terminate the South Weaver
[1:44:00] Motor Railroad Club agreement.
[1:44:04] But
[1:44:05] I would say that we
[1:44:06] either table it
[1:44:09] or
[1:44:10] uh continue it for 90 days.
[1:44:14] So that at least we can say, "Okay,
[1:44:17] this this time it's time to put rubber
[1:44:19] to the road on both sides and say, this
[1:44:21] isn't all your responsibility."
[1:44:24] If your train goes away, the park's
[1:44:26] going to run it and do everything
[1:44:27] anyway. So I don't see an additional
[1:44:29] cost of having some things taken over.
[1:44:33] There are issues that we've got. We've
[1:44:35] got a horrible storage center. Um
[1:44:38] the uh Conex ex-train thing.
[1:44:42] Um it doesn't hold the
[1:44:44] uh
[1:44:45] tracks.
[1:44:47] Maybe ought to start running twice a
[1:44:48] month.
[1:44:50] I know that citizens would love it. I
[1:44:52] know that everybody else who enjoys it
[1:44:53] would love it and earn enough money to
[1:44:55] be able to buy an actual storage
[1:44:57] building.
[1:44:59] Running electricity and water out to
[1:45:00] them, that's We know exactly where
[1:45:02] that's going to go and how that's going
[1:45:04] to impact the rest of uh that park's
[1:45:07] development.
[1:45:08] So I don't know why we had turned that
[1:45:10] over to a bunch of people that
[1:45:12] know how to put water for steam engines,
[1:45:14] but not probably a new metering system.
[1:45:17] And we can meter it.
[1:45:19] We can meter the electricity and the
[1:45:20] water.
[1:45:21] I'm just trying to say
[1:45:23] I don't care who what said before.
[1:45:27] If the city has the ability to protect
[1:45:29] our own citizens, that's on us and we
[1:45:31] need to go out there and do that. If the
[1:45:33] train club is causing danger to our
[1:45:36] citizens, yeah, we're not going to allow
[1:45:38] that. Sorry.
[1:45:40] Um no matter how much we love and
[1:45:41] respect the idea of that park.
[1:45:44] Um but
[1:45:46] I think the city needs to step up and
[1:45:48] also say, "Okay, here's how you fix that
[1:45:51] giant bolt that's sitting and protruding
[1:45:55] out."
[1:45:56] You know, whether that means it has to
[1:45:57] be cut with a special saw,
[1:45:59] welded away, or you just do a whole lot
[1:46:01] of gap around it. I don't know. I'm not
[1:46:03] an engineer, either. But I think the
[1:46:05] city needs to take that responsibility
[1:46:07] and recognize we're experts at one
[1:46:09] thing, you guys are experts at another,
[1:46:12] and just like we do with the family
[1:46:14] activity center, with renting places for
[1:46:16] private people, um we look at this and
[1:46:19] say, "We want this train to last
[1:46:22] forever." Stop going on the short term.
[1:46:25] If they don't do this, then they're
[1:46:26] gone.
[1:46:27] We'll work together to make sure it
[1:46:29] happens.
[1:46:30] But again, I'm one person. I'm just
[1:46:33] recommending at least if nothing else,
[1:46:35] let's take a 90-day
[1:46:37] to re-look at this and say,
[1:46:40] "Okay, how could we do this better?"
[1:46:43] Not to go down the same route again.
[1:46:45] It's not working.
[1:46:47] So how could we do this better?
[1:46:50] That's my suggestion. Thank you.
[1:46:51] >> Well, Joel, I agree that it needs to be
[1:46:53] done better, but I have to be quite
[1:46:55] honest, I'm frustrated at your comments
[1:46:58] because you were the parks chair for
[1:47:00] that long, and now when you're not the
[1:47:03] parks chair, now you're saying how
[1:47:05] amiable you are to making you know, have
[1:47:08] the city take on it all this
[1:47:09] responsibility. Not once did you bring
[1:47:11] that up to city council and say this was
[1:47:13] a parks priority.
[1:47:14] >> No, we had a separate committee for all
[1:47:16] of those kind of things.
[1:47:18] That's where most of the discussions all
[1:47:19] happened in, just like they happened in
[1:47:21] yours.
[1:47:22] And
[1:47:23] we talked to them
[1:47:24] >> saying though is I feel like right now
[1:47:27] you are portraying to everyone here
[1:47:30] that why why can't we just make this
[1:47:32] work? Well, the fact of the matter is if
[1:47:34] we take on the responsibility of the
[1:47:36] track
[1:47:37] >> Not the track.
[1:47:38] >> And I
[1:47:39] then what are you telling them to then
[1:47:41] what are you referring to? Because you
[1:47:42] said the city takes on the maintenance
[1:47:44] of the park. It's our park.
[1:47:45] >> That's right, the park. So, I would
[1:47:46] consider that the infrastructure itself.
[1:47:48] >> So, the what should be the track? The
[1:47:50] track's part of the
[1:47:51] >> The track sits on top of it and like we
[1:47:52] said we can pull that at any time.
[1:47:55] Um I don't think that our guys know how
[1:47:57] to do the three-level ballast and run
[1:48:01] the tracks along it. I think that is
[1:48:02] something for the club to have to deal
[1:48:04] with.
[1:48:05] And they have to deal with it, pay for
[1:48:06] it, and get it done.
[1:48:08] And they don't run without
[1:48:09] uh
[1:48:10] that kind of level of dedication to it.
[1:48:13] But
[1:48:15] I think the park is ours. It should
[1:48:17] always be ours.
[1:48:18] >> That's that's the whole point. That's
[1:48:19] why we're even having this discussion.
[1:48:21] >> So, what items are you thinking that the
[1:48:24] train park is doing now that we would
[1:48:27] take over and do?
[1:48:29] >> Well, I think
[1:48:29] >> They're not having them.
[1:48:30] >> Yeah, I think that's a good question.
[1:48:32] So,
[1:48:33] part of what we need to do is look at
[1:48:34] this as this is one that's going to be
[1:48:35] our permanent park. It's going to be a
[1:48:37] train park and the tracks are going to
[1:48:42] be managed by the people that are using
[1:48:46] them.
[1:48:47] Um I don't think we have that expertise
[1:48:48] at all.
[1:48:49] Um and nor do I think that the citizens
[1:48:52] want to take on that cost. Um we're not
[1:48:54] St. George. We don't have that kind of
[1:48:56] money. Um what we have instead is a
[1:48:58] group of volunteers, a club that wants
[1:49:02] to be able to lease space on top of our
[1:49:05] park. And that is what we did in that
[1:49:07] contract was we created a lease system
[1:49:09] where they own the responsibility and um
[1:49:14] tracks and we don't.
[1:49:18] The mistake that I made and I was fully
[1:49:19] apparent in it is that I don't after 5
[1:49:23] years of working with these guys and
[1:49:25] please don't take offense at this, but
[1:49:27] there's there's a lot of bad attitude
[1:49:30] and that needs to end or just not be
[1:49:33] part of
[1:49:34] the the club itself. Um
[1:49:38] or
[1:49:40] we come in it with the clean slate of we
[1:49:42] own the park, you are leasing the land
[1:49:44] for that track.
[1:49:45] We will take care of the amenities of
[1:49:48] the park itself.
[1:49:50] Um and anything that would take your
[1:49:54] train expertise
[1:49:56] y'all need to take care of. And if we
[1:49:58] need to define that in a new addendum to
[1:50:00] the contract, that's all I'm asking for.
[1:50:02] So, I I don't understand why you're
[1:50:06] upset with that because I'm really not
[1:50:08] in any way trying to um
[1:50:12] say that they have not done wrong. Nor
[1:50:15] that I'm not frustrated with them. Um I
[1:50:18] think the American can attest to how
[1:50:19] many times I have um uh stopped
[1:50:23] conversations because city and train
[1:50:27] club were holding grudges and wouldn't
[1:50:29] move on past it.
[1:50:31] And if we decide fine, we're we don't
[1:50:34] want a a unique train club part of it,
[1:50:38] fine, then let's do that. We own the
[1:50:40] park. We need to decide what that park
[1:50:43] should be.
[1:50:44] We can rip the train out of it and make
[1:50:46] it an airplane one. I don't care.
[1:50:48] But if we own it and we've got people
[1:50:51] who are willing to dedicate their time
[1:50:53] and money
[1:50:55] to giving it a special unique
[1:50:58] signature to the city,
[1:51:01] I don't I don't see the problem with us
[1:51:04] being able to help them on their bridge.
[1:51:06] It's a public private connect um
[1:51:08] partnership. It's It's necessarily us
[1:51:11] just doing the work for free.
[1:51:13] >> And I I feel like that's what our
[1:51:16] agreement has been up to this point. And
[1:51:18] if we keep doing what we're doing, we're
[1:51:20] going to keep getting what we're
[1:51:21] getting.
[1:51:23] The I have not I and I'm so I please accept me for what I'm saying. I
[1:51:29] have not seen this type of involvement
[1:51:32] of any of the training club members down
[1:51:33] there when there's issues.
[1:51:35] I have taken photos myself of the park.
[1:51:39] My son was 9 years old and the weeds
[1:51:41] were taller than him and the excuses we
[1:51:43] got were, well, the sprinklers came on.
[1:51:46] We have to water the grass.
[1:51:48] The I couldn't get people people were
[1:51:50] busy. I mean, people don't want to join
[1:51:51] a club to do yard work in a public park.
[1:51:54] It's really difficult. The practicality
[1:51:56] of that is very difficult. Yes, yeah, we
[1:51:59] all recognize that. So
[1:52:05] » Please don't help me.
[1:52:08] >> [laughter]
[1:52:10] >> Please.
[1:52:14] » I am I am absolutely willing to work
[1:52:16] with the train club. I need everyone to
[1:52:17] make that known. I'm absolutely willing,
[1:52:19] but I will not continue with how it has
[1:52:22] been going. And I need to know how we're
[1:52:24] going to pay for it because we have an
[1:52:25] another agenda item up here. Number 11
[1:52:28] is our budget.
[1:52:30] I don't want to have to tell everybody
[1:52:31] right now when gas is doubled in price
[1:52:33] that we have to raise taxes to pay for a
[1:52:35] train.
[1:52:36] I don't feel good about that. I don't
[1:52:38] feel like that is right.
[1:52:40] But if the citizens of South Weber are
[1:52:42] willing to take on that financial
[1:52:44] burden,
[1:52:45] we could create a special tax district.
[1:52:48] Because the fact of the matter is we
[1:52:50] don't have the money for it.
[1:52:53] >> Well, the weeds is something that the
[1:52:56] um
[1:52:56] uh
[1:52:57] parks department already does and they
[1:52:59] already do the mowing. The only
[1:53:01] additional cost that I can see would be
[1:53:04] um
[1:53:05] well, it would have to be that uh
[1:53:07] probably a few a little bit more product
[1:53:09] would have to be used out on it.
[1:53:12] would be applied to the schedule that
[1:53:14] the park already does for the parking
[1:53:17] lot and for the area around it and the
[1:53:19] bike track. Plus parking into the bike
[1:53:21] track. Um,
[1:53:23] and so I think the money for that
[1:53:27] for the city to take over it would be
[1:53:28] nominal.
[1:53:30] minuscule
[1:53:32] compared to what it would be for us to
[1:53:34] rip it out and repair it. We don't have
[1:53:37] that in the budget either, which means
[1:53:38] that the tracks and the ballast would
[1:53:41] all be there for at least a year until
[1:53:43] we could
[1:53:44] come up with something more. So
[1:53:47] But I know you're not against them. I I don't want you to assume that. I don't
[1:53:50] think anybody is against them. I think
[1:53:52] we want and I wish
[1:53:54] that the the train committee would
[1:53:56] really understand. We all want this to
[1:53:58] be successful.
[1:54:00] My grandkids rode that St. George train
[1:54:02] every day we were down there this past
[1:54:04] week.
[1:54:05] The Sarasota Springs one?
[1:54:08] No, I I didn't stop, sorry.
[1:54:10] Um,
[1:54:10] but
[1:54:12] we want this to be successful. This is a
[1:54:13] big win for our city and a big draw.
[1:54:16] But
[1:54:18] you know, either we're going to have to
[1:54:20] figure out a way for you guys to make
[1:54:21] more money by running
[1:54:23] twice a month.
[1:54:25] Um, which if you guys want it we can
[1:54:27] talk about it.
[1:54:28] >> That was what we originally pushed for
[1:54:29] and we were told that they wouldn't do
[1:54:30] that.
[1:54:31] >> Well,
[1:54:32] I think we're at a new compromise now
[1:54:34] where
[1:54:35] it's it's got to be some type of pay to
[1:54:38] take care of the things that you have.
[1:54:41] And on areas that you guys are not the
[1:54:42] experts in, the city should take over
[1:54:45] cuz I don't really want you guys
[1:54:47] determining how to fix some of the
[1:54:49] safety issues that we have. That's what
[1:54:51] we've got professionals for.
[1:54:54] Um
[1:54:55] Yeah, absolutely.
[1:54:57] >> I feel like if the parks department
[1:54:59] takes over the weeds, we're enabling
[1:55:01] behavior and we're saying, "No, it's
[1:55:02] really okay.
[1:55:04] You continue down this path."
[1:55:07] I don't think it's
[1:55:08] >> No, we if we take it on, we enable their
[1:55:10] behavior to continue
[1:55:14] to to not maintain things. You You're
[1:55:16] saying that that they're not being
[1:55:18] maintained, and then if the Parks
[1:55:20] Department takes it over, then it's just
[1:55:22] saying, "Oh, I can't do it. I give up.
[1:55:24] You do it." And I don't think that's the
[1:55:27] right approach. And I have concern about our weed side budget, and that
[1:55:31] budget would definitely need to be
[1:55:33] increased, and there would definitely
[1:55:34] need to be a plan.
[1:55:35] >> And
[1:55:36] to piggyback with you, though, like the
[1:55:38] debris, like when they pulled the the
[1:55:40] ties out, they didn't just pull them out
[1:55:42] and
[1:55:43] take them away with that day.
[1:55:45] They railroad ties stayed in the park
[1:55:47] for extended periods of time. We can't
[1:55:49] do that. If our city staff left debris
[1:55:51] in the park, they would be reprimanded
[1:55:54] or more. Like, we can't We have
[1:55:56] different standards than a private
[1:55:58] property, and I think that that is where
[1:55:59] the biggest disconnect is, even though
[1:56:01] we have tried to explain that.
[1:56:04] >> Yeah.
[1:56:05] I I I I appreciate
[1:56:07] all of what you're saying.
[1:56:09] Um and what you were saying. Um but
[1:56:12] I don't believe it's our job to
[1:56:14] legislate behavior.
[1:56:16] Um We have a park, and
[1:56:19] as I said, if they go away today, we're
[1:56:21] still 100% on the hook for the rest of
[1:56:23] the park.
[1:56:25] Um
[1:56:26] and I've
[1:56:27] at least the things that we've gone
[1:56:28] through, it's not the tracks that have
[1:56:30] been the problem.
[1:56:31] Um there are some safety issues on it,
[1:56:34] and those absolutely have to be taken.
[1:56:35] And in the contract, maybe it needs to
[1:56:38] say, um if any
[1:56:40] red flagged safety issues still exist,
[1:56:44] the train park can't run.
[1:56:46] That would be my responsibility as a
[1:56:49] city councilman to protect our citizens
[1:56:51] and everyone else that comes to visit. I
[1:56:52] don't think there's a problem with that.
[1:56:54] Um I think the main contention has been
[1:56:57] the weeds.
[1:56:58] Um, and that's where most of the
[1:56:59] violations have come.
[1:57:01] And we have to decide whether
[1:57:04] we want to get rid of the train club
[1:57:06] because weeds.
[1:57:07] And
[1:57:09] I don't. I think we can still work with
[1:57:10] them enough to make sure that
[1:57:13] safety is taken care of first or they
[1:57:15] don't run.
[1:57:17] >> One quick comment, Blair. Sorry. I just
[1:57:18] want you I want everyone to know as much
[1:57:20] feedback as we've gotten about support
[1:57:22] for the train club, we've gotten at
[1:57:24] least double that complaints about the
[1:57:26] weeds just so everybody knows. Okay.
[1:57:37] » I I I don't know how to respond on that
[1:57:38] one. I'll leave that one alone.
[1:57:40] Um, the weeds are the least of my
[1:57:42] worries other than they are the
[1:57:43] complaints we've had from the neighbors,
[1:57:46] especially the neighbors that lived
[1:57:47] right on the park.
[1:57:49] And one of them is a a member used to be
[1:57:53] a member that sat up here
[1:57:55] in in this meeting and another meeting
[1:57:57] and he always got those he he made sure
[1:57:59] we all knew about those weeds and
[1:58:00] there's several neighbors that have
[1:58:01] complained about those weeds including
[1:58:03] one of your members who left.
[1:58:07] So, just just so you know, I've had
[1:58:09] those complaints, but the weeds are the
[1:58:11] least of my concerns. I agree if say if
[1:58:15] we had to take care of that the rest of
[1:58:16] the that area, it would be an added
[1:58:18] expense to us. I get it. It's not just
[1:58:21] herbicides, that kind of stuff, but to
[1:58:23] take the amenity out of the park is very
[1:58:25] expensive for us
[1:58:28] um,
[1:58:29] as a city.
[1:58:31] Not that that's not I mean, where
[1:58:33] eventually we'll go, but
[1:58:36] I do and we've we've all talked about
[1:58:38] this. If it's going to continue, I do
[1:58:40] think the city has to maintain possibly
[1:58:42] the weeds,
[1:58:44] but that's again the minor issue to me.
[1:58:47] We have weeds everywhere. You can drive
[1:58:49] down every street around here and
[1:58:50] there's weeds. There's no way to keep up
[1:58:52] with the weeds because of the wind and
[1:58:54] everything else we have.
[1:58:56] It's just it's impossible.
[1:58:58] I have them in my own yard and it's I
[1:59:01] know that's bad, but um
[1:59:04] it it's it's more of everything else
[1:59:06] that goes with it. It's a public park
[1:59:09] the taxpayers have paid for
[1:59:12] and there's many, many times where we've
[1:59:14] been treated by a private group as if
[1:59:18] it's theirs.
[1:59:19] It's not.
[1:59:22] And until the contracts came into place
[1:59:24] with an actual lease to cover legalities
[1:59:27] of that,
[1:59:29] you were just
[1:59:30] there.
[1:59:31] And so you were that is to me the
[1:59:34] biggest thing that has to change on this
[1:59:36] relationship is realizing where you're
[1:59:37] at.
[1:59:39] You're not You're not on your own 10
[1:59:41] acres of ground. You're on all of the
[1:59:43] citizens 10 acres of ground, not mine.
[1:59:47] I I think it's great to have it there. I
[1:59:50] think we do need to decide, Joel. I
[1:59:51] think you're right. Do we want it Do we
[1:59:53] want a train park?
[1:59:55] I do know that was the original intent.
[1:59:59] So
[2:00:02] I um
[2:00:03] I don't want to rip it out, but I don't
[2:00:05] know that us sitting up here debating
[2:00:07] that I would love to say your train club
[2:00:09] when we can all come and sit down.
[2:00:11] I've tried that
[2:00:13] 20 times.
[2:00:17] We You do have a new president.
[2:00:20] That may be a better thing. I've never personally met with you.
[2:00:24] >> Yeah.
[2:00:24] >> So
[2:00:25] um it may be a better relationship. I
[2:00:28] don't know.
[2:00:31] But
[2:00:33] I I would I would expect the parks
[2:00:35] committee to help me understand
[2:00:38] and I I have a feeling I know where
[2:00:39] Angie wants to be.
[2:00:41] But I I mean, can you can we go back and
[2:00:44] make this work?
[2:00:48] And I would I would personally like And
[2:00:52] I know we're running late, but if if
[2:00:55] Parker wanted to take 2 minutes,
[2:00:57] you're the president. I'd prefer it not
[2:01:00] be someone else.
[2:01:02] Um to come up and tell us what you guys
[2:01:06] what your opinion is after listening to
[2:01:08] everything else.
[2:01:10] >> Yeah. Um I mean, weeds have been an
[2:01:12] issue.
[2:01:14] We have up our budget. Pete actually was
[2:01:16] really kind. He did a ton of research,
[2:01:18] went around to all these different
[2:01:19] farmers around town, knocked on their
[2:01:21] doors, went to local
[2:01:22] nurseries, and he said, "What works?
[2:01:24] What actually kills?" And he took them
[2:01:25] handfuls of weeds. He's like, "What
[2:01:26] kills these?"
[2:01:28] And so we have changed our weed regime,
[2:01:30] you know, whatever you want to call it,
[2:01:31] how we um take care of them. And then
[2:01:34] after the insurance thing came out, we
[2:01:35] actually already capped the crossing
[2:01:37] arms that were an impalement hazard. Um
[2:01:39] we had the gates ready. We've been
[2:01:40] trying to get all of this done as quick
[2:01:42] as we can, but end of the day, the only
[2:01:44] tractor that we own is a train. So,
[2:01:47] getting a tractor out there to remove
[2:01:48] bridges is very difficult. We built up
[2:01:51] the loose bridges with dirt, and we
[2:01:52] really are trying to be good citizens
[2:01:55] and good neighbors in the park like when we are out there, Cody was with me
[2:01:59] not too long ago helping me do the um
[2:02:02] bridges, and our train is just full of
[2:02:04] dirt. We had some kids come over, and
[2:02:05] they're like, "Can we ride the train?"
[2:02:06] And we're like, "Give us 10 minutes." We
[2:02:07] ran to the shed, took the train, pulled
[2:02:09] a few cars out, and we gave some rides.
[2:02:11] But we always follow our insurance
[2:02:13] practices of having two people on the
[2:02:15] train. And we really are all about
[2:02:16] safety, and we're trying to get better
[2:02:18] cuz we want to be a great neighbor and a
[2:02:20] great part of the community. We also
[2:02:22] want to be here for city events. I know
[2:02:23] there's no events out at Candy Meadows
[2:02:25] Park, but one thing at our beginning of
[2:02:26] your meeting is we want to know when the
[2:02:28] events are, and we want to have the
[2:02:30] trains out.
[2:02:31] The events might be on the other side of
[2:02:32] the city, but we'll still have trains
[2:02:33] ready,
[2:02:35] members sitting,
[2:02:36] and if nobody's there to ride, we can at
[2:02:37] least be getting work done, you know?
[2:02:39] So.
[2:02:40] >> Thank you.
[2:02:41] I do have a question for you if you may
[2:02:42] step back up.
[2:02:43] >> Yeah, definitely.
[2:02:45] >> Given any discussions [clears throat]
[2:02:46] that you've heard on both sides and as
[2:02:48] president,
[2:02:50] how do you perceive moving forward
[2:02:53] bringing this relationship forward so
[2:02:55] it's less contentious and a more
[2:02:57] harmonious outcome? What are you
[2:02:59] prepared to do in your leadership role
[2:03:01] on your side of the fence?
[2:03:03] >> Um so, I mean the big thing that we're
[2:03:05] doing is
[2:03:06] we really are trying to get a lot of
[2:03:07] younger blood in there and introduce new
[2:03:09] people to the club. Working with Weber
[2:03:10] State is a great avenue to get younger
[2:03:13] people introduced. Building our own
[2:03:15] trains and doing kind of STEM-related
[2:03:16] stuff, welding train cars, designing
[2:03:18] them, cutting them helps us get younger
[2:03:20] blood out there. So,
[2:03:21] one big thing is getting younger people
[2:03:23] involved in the younger community and
[2:03:25] that's one way one one one way we're
[2:03:27] wanting to push it. Um and then also
[2:03:29] just doing more localized research on
[2:03:31] things.
[2:03:33] >> There maybe I rephrase my question.
[2:03:36] How are you as a president going to
[2:03:37] represent your club with the city so
[2:03:40] it's less contentious and more
[2:03:41] harmonious?
[2:03:42] >> No, definitely. Um I mean, respect. I
[2:03:44] think respect's a two-way street and
[2:03:46] I I mean, yelling at anybody has never
[2:03:48] gotten anybody anywhere. Even when
[2:03:50] contentions are high, I like to just
[2:03:52] everybody has something good about them.
[2:03:54] I mean, I like finding the good in
[2:03:55] people rather than just,
[2:03:57] you know, pulling whatever I can out of
[2:03:58] my pocket from 20 years ago and being
[2:04:00] like, "Why is this this way?" Cuz the
[2:04:01] past is the past. We've got to deal with
[2:04:03] what's happening now.
[2:04:05] You know, it's we can't change what's
[2:04:06] happened in the past, but we can fix our
[2:04:08] way going forward and I'd rather
[2:04:10] take the high road going forward.
[2:04:13] >> General question maybe for the council,
[2:04:14] maybe for the train club. Is there any
[2:04:16] reason why they struggle to get a
[2:04:17] backhoe?
[2:04:19] Why is the city park in a city amenity
[2:04:21] we can't offer that service to aid in
[2:04:23] some of these things we're trying to get
[2:04:25] done? Or is that a liability that we're
[2:04:27] not willing to cross? I mean, if we're
[2:04:28] going to be a partnership and this is
[2:04:30] part of a
[2:04:31] park amenity, where do we draw that
[2:04:34] line? It seems like the line needs to
[2:04:35] shift. How far do we shift that line,
[2:04:37] and how much are we willing to help them
[2:04:39] be successful,
[2:04:40] uh but not enable them given the comment
[2:04:42] before,
[2:04:44] uh to move forward. So, I'd like to hear
[2:04:46] the council, and I know staff would like
[2:04:47] to respond.
[2:04:51] » I would think that maybe if we moved in
[2:04:53] and
[2:04:54] offered to do that, we'd be doing it
[2:04:56] more than we really want to be doing it.
[2:04:59] Expectations would be then that the
[2:05:01] city's going to take care of everything.
[2:05:04] So, if we go down that road,
[2:05:07] are we willing to go in and take care of
[2:05:09] everything?
[2:05:13] Well, that's what I think
[2:05:15] expectation that they would have.
[2:05:19] » Yeah, I mean I mean again, that would take a total
[2:05:23] change of philosophy on our side as
[2:05:25] well.
[2:05:26] >> Yeah.
[2:05:27] >> From parks to public works, all the way
[2:05:30] down.
[2:05:32] Um cuz there's a lot of I mean and
[2:05:35] I'm not saying we shouldn't change. I'm
[2:05:37] just saying that it takes a change of
[2:05:39] philosophy on our side. If they needed
[2:05:41] help,
[2:05:43] one, they got to communicate it with us.
[2:05:44] Two, we would have to be willing to say,
[2:05:47] "Hey,
[2:05:48] is that a I mean
[2:05:50] is that a reasonable
[2:05:51] >> a reasonable request, and is that
[2:05:52] something we should be spending
[2:05:53] resources on?
[2:05:54] I mean
[2:05:56] it Again, it's it's a it's a That's
[2:05:59] where the fine line is, and that's where
[2:06:01] I think people are
[2:06:02] we're spending taxpayer dollars
[2:06:05] on a private amenity. And that is where
[2:06:09] you talk about fiduciary and
[2:06:10] responsibilities, Joe.
[2:06:13] We'll be spending tax dollars on a
[2:06:15] private amenity.
[2:06:18] And that's that's where
[2:06:20] I claimed I wouldn't do that when I got
[2:06:22] elected.
[2:06:23] Okay?
[2:06:24] Wasting those dollars. And so,
[2:06:27] we we have to change that philosophy. I
[2:06:29] And I'm not saying we shouldn't. When it
[2:06:31] comes to getting in back hoe and all
[2:06:32] that,
[2:06:33] I don't agree with that. The small
[2:06:35] things, yes I do.
[2:06:37] >> Yeah, I think that on
[2:06:38] I'm sorry. And I think that on something
[2:06:40] like the the back hoe,
[2:06:42] um again
[2:06:43] um
[2:06:44] who do you want doing it other than some
[2:06:47] of our experts? Mark has always been
[2:06:49] wonderful about that. Um he's got other
[2:06:51] complaints, but
[2:06:53] um every time that
[2:06:54] uh we've needed something moved, even if
[2:06:56] we were doing it for the bike track or
[2:06:58] the the bike thing um
[2:07:01] he would
[2:07:03] give us advice, but then he would also
[2:07:04] say, "You know what?
[2:07:06] I can be over here on Saturday, and I'll
[2:07:07] just move all the dirt for them, and
[2:07:08] they can finish moving the rest."
[2:07:10] Um I think that we have to take
[2:07:13] responsibility for it because one of the
[2:07:15] plans that we've always had is for them
[2:07:17] to be able to extend that track.
[2:07:20] Um
[2:07:21] do we want them to do that?
[2:07:23] I mean, I think that I would much rather
[2:07:25] have Mark or somebody who knows what
[2:07:27] they're doing go through our park, know
[2:07:28] exactly where things are
[2:07:31] clear off that trail, and then
[2:07:33] make it to the point where they can
[2:07:34] finish the rest of their tracks, put
[2:07:36] down the ballast, all of the things that
[2:07:38] they need to do. I wouldn't want any
[2:07:40] private club
[2:07:42] coming in and making those kind of
[2:07:45] determinations or bringing that
[2:07:47] equipment that would do those kind of
[2:07:48] things. I think that that falls on us.
[2:07:52] Um so,
[2:07:54] I I think that's why the 90 days might
[2:07:56] be good to be able to say, "Okay,
[2:07:58] with the president
[2:08:00] let's negotiate and see if we can. What
[2:08:02] we can come up with what should be ours
[2:08:04] and what shouldn't be ours as the
[2:08:06] perspective of South Weber has a train
[2:08:10] park, and we want to keep it."
[2:08:13] And if the 90 days fails
[2:08:15] because we're too busy fighting over old
[2:08:17] things
[2:08:18] um
[2:08:19] then I think that's a whole different
[2:08:21] council meeting.
[2:08:22] But
[2:08:25] yeah.
[2:08:29] If we do decide to do that, I think 90
[2:08:30] days is too long. I think we shouldn't
[2:08:32] go any more than 60 days.
[2:08:35] And I think that items that need to be
[2:08:37] repaired
[2:08:39] the ones that the insurance company has
[2:08:41] brought up need to be repaired before
[2:08:44] you can run again.
[2:08:46] And there's going to be no running dates
[2:08:48] until all those repairs are taken care
[2:08:50] of.
[2:08:52] » Can the city help on those?
[2:08:55] >> No, I don't think so.
[2:08:58] Shay, did you have a question?
[2:09:01] >> More of a comment and of support to this
[2:09:04] whole thing. The story that you guys may
[2:09:07] not know is we had a parks employee that
[2:09:11] went way above and beyond and they did
[2:09:13] cut all of the weeds on the west side
[2:09:16] around the pickleball court. The parks
[2:09:18] department went and helped the train
[2:09:21] club on a Friday
[2:09:23] pick up all of their track and move it
[2:09:25] the move it. We also helped them move
[2:09:27] all of their gravel with the backhoe and
[2:09:30] all of that was done because I have an
[2:09:32] interest in that park looking good. And
[2:09:35] that's what I expect out of the park out
[2:09:37] of of every park, not just at Canyon
[2:09:39] Meadows. The other part that you may not
[2:09:41] know is I communicated with Mr. Robbins
[2:09:45] of when the bark would be laid down on
[2:09:46] the sections that we are
[2:09:48] to supposed to the city is responsible
[2:09:50] for. He asked, "Can you please wait? I
[2:09:53] will address them and can we I will be
[2:09:56] here Saturday." And I said, "Sure." And
[2:09:58] I accommodated that request
[2:10:00] to have the bark
[2:10:02] finished. So, there is
[2:10:04] definitely been a
[2:10:06] side that has been willing to help the
[2:10:08] train club. And my concern, again, you
[2:10:12] know what they are, but there has been
[2:10:14] that side of support from the parks
[2:10:16] department. Thank you.
[2:10:18] >> Thank you. And we deeply appreciate
[2:10:20] that.
[2:10:22] >> Last year
[2:10:23] >> issue. Last question.
[2:10:23] >> This year.
[2:10:24] >> Last last year the gravel moved in this
[2:10:25] year for the uh bark.
[2:10:27] Yeah.
[2:10:31] » I guess I still want to know where we're getting
[2:10:35] the money from and I will tell you cuz
[2:10:38] that's what it comes down to. I mean, we
[2:10:39] talked about do we hold the rate for our
[2:10:41] taxes or do we let it erode?
[2:10:44] >> What kind of money are you talking
[2:10:45] about, if you don't mind?
[2:10:46] >> I I don't know. I have no idea how much
[2:10:48] it's going to cost, but I know that
[2:10:50] there's going to be there. If we took
[2:10:52] over, I mean, so many different options.
[2:10:55] >> I I don't see a huge expense, Angie, and
[2:10:57] I I'm not trying to dismiss what you're
[2:10:59] saying.
[2:10:59] >> No, I appreciate the perspective.
[2:11:01] >> There'll be some labor added labor, so I
[2:11:03] get the labor is involved.
[2:11:04] If it's weeds, I understand the
[2:11:06] pesticides and and so forth, but I also
[2:11:08] think that we don't buy exactly in
[2:11:10] quantities that we need for I think
[2:11:13] there's a little bit of a factor of
[2:11:14] safety. We have a little bit more
[2:11:15] fertilizer, we have a little bit more
[2:11:16] pesticides, so we might be able to
[2:11:18] stretch it. I don't see this being, you
[2:11:20] know, $100,000 or anything like that. I
[2:11:22] think it's going to be less than 10,
[2:11:23] probably less than $5,000, which is the
[2:11:24] budget can easily absorb. And then we
[2:11:27] can monitor it moving forward as to what
[2:11:28] those actual costs were. I don't think
[2:11:30] we need to rush to raising taxes or
[2:11:32] things of that nature. I don't think
[2:11:33] it's that uh major of an expense, and I
[2:11:36] could be totally wrong, but I I'd rather
[2:11:39] go a year and experience that and then
[2:11:42] have some data in which then
[2:11:44] to move forward. But, I really think if
[2:11:46] we're going to take over the park and
[2:11:48] park maintenance that has the train
[2:11:50] facilities on there,
[2:11:51] then I think we need to establish more
[2:11:53] of an operator contractor or contract
[2:11:55] operator agreements uh so that anybody
[2:11:58] who wants to come and run their trains,
[2:11:59] they have to have certain
[2:12:00] responsibilities and schedule it, work
[2:12:02] with us. We're now taking on
[2:12:03] administrator role and trying to manage
[2:12:06] the operations while they're doing their thing. And I think there's going
[2:12:10] to be some cost and associated with
[2:12:12] that, some administrative costs
[2:12:13] associated with that. Those are things
[2:12:14] that are hidden costs that I don't think
[2:12:16] we can realize or guestimate right now,
[2:12:18] but we can we can work towards or but
[2:12:20] it's that level of,
[2:12:22] you know, you get beyond the past and
[2:12:24] try to figure out where is that line. I
[2:12:25] think the line has to shift. I believe
[2:12:27] that the the park is a train park and we
[2:12:29] need to stay maintain it as a train
[2:12:31] park, but what does our role seem to be
[2:12:32] and those are going to have to shift.
[2:12:34] And I see some of the cooperation
[2:12:35] happening. I think we just need to move
[2:12:36] down that road uh more so. Uh can we,
[2:12:40] you know, get these things repaired in
[2:12:41] the next 30 days? I don't think we can
[2:12:43] take it in 2 weeks. It it's no It's
[2:12:45] ridiculous it's taken 5 years to address
[2:12:46] all these things and it's ridiculous
[2:12:48] that we had to get all the public
[2:12:49] involved to get the fire under our asses
[2:12:51] to make something happen. Sorry, I
[2:12:53] swore.
[2:12:54] >> No worries.
[2:12:55] >> I didn't mean to do that.
[2:12:57] Um
[2:12:58] but I think it's just like let's just
[2:12:59] get it done.
[2:13:00] Let's pick a day, you know, tomorrow,
[2:13:02] get out there, cut the wire, whatever
[2:13:03] you need to do, get it done so you can
[2:13:05] run. And then they take the next 30 to
[2:13:07] 60 days, 30 days, 45 days to work out,
[2:13:10] take the old contract, throw it out the
[2:13:11] door, or modify it, amend it, whatever
[2:13:14] that needs to be. Um but I think we need
[2:13:16] to establish a new relationship where
[2:13:18] we're going to be managing the park and
[2:13:20] you're going to be managing your trains
[2:13:22] under certain conditions and uh until
[2:13:24] there's no one who wants to run trains
[2:13:25] anymore, then we consider,
[2:13:27] you know, tearing it all out and making
[2:13:28] it a different park. But until that day,
[2:13:31] I think that's where I'm That's where
[2:13:32] I'm at.
[2:13:34] >> Is that a recommendation?
[2:13:37] >> I don't know if you can make it a more
[2:13:38] of a recommendation or not, but that's
[2:13:40] >> I need to make it clear though that I'm
[2:13:42] not recommending we tear the tracks out
[2:13:43] right now.
[2:13:44] Okay, thank you.
[2:13:45] >> I wasn't trying to put words in your
[2:13:47] mouth that way, Angie.
[2:13:48] But I don't think we just we just cut
[2:13:50] her off right now. I think we need to
[2:13:51] move forward in a different relationship
[2:13:52] and I think that's what's been said uh
[2:13:54] in different ways and different words.
[2:13:55] What that is, I I again I don't have
[2:13:57] that answer, but I think you don't run
[2:13:59] until we get those safety issues
[2:14:00] resolved and then we get 30 days to get
[2:14:03] our
[2:14:04] feet to the table and maybe certain
[2:14:05] people aren't at the table on the train
[2:14:07] club side, maybe certain people are who
[2:14:09] can speak on your behalf and certain
[2:14:11] people on our side don't be on table, so
[2:14:12] that people are and we come to a higher
[2:14:14] level and move forward. But I can't put
[2:14:17] it into a motion. I don't know how to do
[2:14:18] that.
[2:14:19] What do I say?
[2:14:20] >> It's pretty easy to put in a motion cuz
[2:14:21] you're probably going to have to
[2:14:22] continue
[2:14:23] but
[2:14:25] so are we if we do that
[2:14:28] are we giving it back to the parks
[2:14:29] committee? That would be you and Angie.
[2:14:33] >> That's one option if we're the right
[2:14:35] people given our histories to to move
[2:14:38] that thing forward. I'm I'm fine with
[2:14:39] that if
[2:14:40] the committee thinks that uh newer
[2:14:42] voices or newer people need to step in
[2:14:44] and do that
[2:14:45] I'm open to anything. I just uh we just
[2:14:48] need to get the right people at the
[2:14:49] right table to do what is the higher
[2:14:51] level
[2:14:52] uh accomplishment we're trying to do on
[2:14:54] both sides.
[2:14:55] Cuz you know, we get the same people in
[2:14:56] the room
[2:14:57] it's going to happen. And we're going to
[2:14:59] be right back here having the same
[2:15:00] conversation. So
[2:15:01] uh how we do that, who do we
[2:15:03] identify?
[2:15:05] I'll leave that to the council.
[2:15:06] Volunteer, whatever.
[2:15:08] >> But when we talk about the city taking
[2:15:10] over
[2:15:11] maintenance, it it really that just goes
[2:15:13] back to weed control.
[2:15:14] >> Bingo.
[2:15:15] >> Basically. I mean that's all that that's
[2:15:16] all that is. I mean it's not everything else. And so there's
[2:15:21] a lot of those other things that have to
[2:15:22] be worked out with you guys, Parker.
[2:15:24] >> Yeah.
[2:15:25] >> Um and and Joel started down the road on a
[2:15:28] couple of those things and he's
[2:15:29] realizing that
[2:15:31] you have to bring things up to city
[2:15:33] standards cuz it is a public place.
[2:15:35] >> For sure.
[2:15:36] >> We don't just go build a bridge
[2:15:38] willy-nilly. It has to be engineered.
[2:15:41] And our engineer has to review it. It
[2:15:43] has to go through all those city
[2:15:44] processes or it just doesn't happen.
[2:15:48] So
[2:15:49] I know that's been a big push back. So I
[2:15:51] think those kind of things, what they're
[2:15:53] going to do, whoever's working that out,
[2:15:55] I'm probably not that person.
[2:15:57] But whoever's working that out
[2:16:00] those things need to be very specific.
[2:16:02] Cuz all it really adds to us is weed
[2:16:04] control.
[2:16:06] >> And and maybe I I put it in our
[2:16:08] leadership's lap and maybe you you
[2:16:10] identify people whom you want to sit at
[2:16:12] that table and
[2:16:14] come to that agreement. If you want this
[2:16:16] Parks and Rec board, I think if you want
[2:16:18] certain individuals or how you want
[2:16:20] >> I'm I'm happy with the Parks Committee
[2:16:22] taking that on unless they
[2:16:25] feel differently.
[2:16:26] >> I'm I'm you okay with that, Ed?
[2:16:28] >> I'm fine with that.
[2:16:29] >> Okay.
[2:16:31] Who on the train club side is going to
[2:16:32] be at the table?
[2:16:34] >> I can be there.
[2:16:36] >> You don't want to be solo. Who's Who's
[2:16:37] going to do it then? Please Please don't
[2:16:39] be solo.
[2:16:41] >> I'll bring No, I'm kidding.
[2:16:43] >> [laughter]
[2:16:47] » It it It isn't about you. It's just you
[2:16:49] and I can't bring up and John, the three
[2:16:51] of us keep bringing up the past. So, we
[2:16:54] just need to leave it alone.
[2:16:57] » I'm just saying this is either or neither.
[2:17:02] >> I think I'll bring I'd bring some of the
[2:17:03] younger members myself. Garrett, Cody, I
[2:17:05] mean, all of us were like 12 years old
[2:17:07] when this train club was built, so
[2:17:09] >> Then I guess the motion is to continue
[2:17:11] this until 30 days.
[2:17:13] >> Probably need 60 days cuz I think they
[2:17:15] need to get everything fixed.
[2:17:16] >> I think there's two tickets are too
[2:17:18] much. We'll continue this, but in the
[2:17:19] meantime, we need to get the insurance
[2:17:20] things remedied before they can run.
[2:17:22] You're red tagged until those insurance
[2:17:24] things are taken care of. Then they can
[2:17:25] run until we get this thing continued to
[2:17:28] get the 60 days.
[2:17:29] >> Council member Windsor.
[2:17:31] >> I took some notes while you were talking
[2:17:33] and I have
[2:17:35] maybe a proposed language you could use
[2:17:36] in a motion.
[2:17:37] >> You can reject it if you want.
[2:17:40] >> It's your call, but the the three things
[2:17:42] I have written down that would be in the
[2:17:44] motion is no trains run until the safety
[2:17:46] issues are resolved.
[2:17:48] >> Yes.
[2:17:48] >> And those are the issues documented in
[2:17:49] the report from the trust.
[2:17:52] A 60-day window for the two sides to
[2:17:55] negotiate a new agreement. Parks
[2:17:57] Committee on behalf of the city, club
[2:17:59] president to lead that on their side.
[2:18:02] And then the third item, if no new
[2:18:05] agreement, then the council will act to
[2:18:07] terminate the existing agreement after
[2:18:09] that 60 days.
[2:18:11] >> So moved.
[2:18:12] >> I like that.
[2:18:13] >> Second it.
[2:18:15] >> We have a motion and a second.
[2:18:18] We need a I guess
[2:18:20] >> Yeah.
[2:18:20] >> Yes, we do. We'll do the I'll vote
[2:18:22] Councilman Windsor.
[2:18:23] >> I.
[2:18:30] » The motion is carried. Thank you.
[2:18:39] One thing that you need to establish
[2:18:40] with them about the land we're going to
[2:18:42] be with me.
[2:18:43] Hearing maybe you weren't serious with
[2:18:45] this
[2:18:46] when they started doing this.
[2:18:48] Because they didn't want us on their
[2:18:49] track near their
[2:18:50] >> That's what I said.
[2:18:51] >> And we created a buffer. And so then we
[2:18:54] said then you can build your leads.
[2:18:56] So they would have to relinquish that.
[2:18:58] >> Yes.
[2:18:59] >> Let's go to the next item.
[2:19:00] >> I think What's our next?
[2:19:09] » We still have a council meeting going
[2:19:11] on.
[2:19:14] » Okay, our next item is resolution 26-11
[2:19:18] 2025 municipal wastewater planning
[2:19:21] program
[2:19:22] annual report.
[2:19:24] Any discussion on this
[2:19:26] from the council?
[2:19:28] If we're good with it, then we'll ask
[2:19:30] for a motion to approve this.
[2:19:34] » Mayor moves to
[2:19:35] approve resolution 26-11 to 2025
[2:19:37] municipal wastewater planning program
[2:19:39] annual report.
[2:19:41] >> Second it.
[2:19:42] >> A motion and a second by Councilman
[2:19:44] Howarth. We will roll call votes
[2:19:46] starting with Councilman Howarth.
[2:19:48] >> I.
[2:19:52] >> The motion is carried. Thank you.
[2:19:56] Resolution number nine.
[2:19:58] Resolution
[2:20:00] 26-11.
[2:20:04] » [laughter]
[2:20:09] » I made the motion.
[2:20:10] >> Wayne second.
[2:20:12] >> We we read your words. We
[2:20:14] >> [clears throat]
[2:20:15] >> Next item, award fire station remodel
[2:20:19] project phase number two.
[2:20:22] Any questions on this?
[2:20:25] >> I will say good job for coming in under
[2:20:27] our budget.
[2:20:27] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[2:20:29] In addition to it, the number of bidders
[2:20:31] on that was also um
[2:20:34] encouraging.
[2:20:34] >> Yeah, encouraging and after analyzing
[2:20:37] it, I think we got a very, very fair
[2:20:38] price.
[2:20:39] >> Yeah.
[2:20:39] I feel the same way.
[2:20:41] >> Move to award the fire station remodel
[2:20:42] project for phase two as submitted. I
[2:20:44] don't have their name in front of me, so
[2:20:46] whoever it was will have to say it.
[2:20:46] >> Uh Adams.
[2:20:48] >> Adams Construction.
[2:20:50] >> Yeah.
[2:20:50] >> You have the amount?
[2:20:51] >> 32,467.
[2:20:53] Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve the
[2:20:55] fire department remodel phase two for
[2:20:57] Adams Construction Services in the
[2:20:58] amount of 32,467.55.
[2:21:02] >> I guess I'll second my motion.
[2:21:04] >> Second by Councilman Windsor. We'll just do a all in favor.
[2:21:09] >> Aye.
[2:21:11] >> Okay.
[2:21:13] Great.
[2:21:14] Next discussion item, fiscal year 2027
[2:21:17] budget.
[2:21:19] >> We can make this short after the train
[2:21:21] club, can we?
[2:21:22] >> We can make it short after the
[2:21:24] >> I have three pages.
[2:21:27] >> There's only a few pages that to the
[2:21:28] >> No, you're great.
[2:21:30] >> Brett, do you want to start us off?
[2:21:31] >> This is important.
[2:21:32] >> Yeah,
[2:21:33] um
[2:21:35] from our last discussion, there was a
[2:21:36] few items that that were brought up. One
[2:21:39] was I I initially had
[2:21:43] in showing increased taxes, um which was
[2:21:46] about a $6,000
[2:21:48] change from what we ended up deciding,
[2:21:51] and that was to hold the current rate um
[2:21:56] In all holding the rate
[2:21:58] provides additional or the growth
[2:22:01] portion of of that of about $60,000 to
[2:22:05] the city.
[2:22:06] Um the reduction from from me increasing
[2:22:09] taxes to holding the rate was about
[2:22:11] 6,000 and I showed that in a few
[2:22:15] different areas. One was uh the judicial
[2:22:18] department, the parks department, and
[2:22:21] also there was a small portion of the
[2:22:23] fires that fire department that was
[2:22:26] impacted. Um and one of the only part
[2:22:30] I'll provide a little bit to Derek
[2:22:31] there. I didn't have a chance to really
[2:22:33] discuss it with him. But there was just
[2:22:36] a calculation of when the fleet
[2:22:40] was going to be done, some of the fleet
[2:22:42] vehicles that are being switched out,
[2:22:45] when they're going to be done this
[2:22:46] fiscal year, and having that time to to
[2:22:50] get them sold next fiscal year.
[2:22:53] Um there was some calculation issues and I came up with about a $2,000
[2:22:58] difference, so $2,000 less. In in the
[2:23:01] end, I decreased the general fund by
[2:23:03] $8,000.
[2:23:05] Um I only needed to decrease it by 6,000
[2:23:08] to to be within the range that that
[2:23:10] council had had requested. Um
[2:23:14] there was also a portion of the judicial
[2:23:15] department salaries um that portion
[2:23:20] comes directly from the state on on what
[2:23:23] we pay our judge. And I had estimated
[2:23:25] based on prior years, I had estimated
[2:23:29] high on that and that was about a little
[2:23:31] over $2,000 difference.
[2:23:33] >> Okay, so we're not cutting his
[2:23:36] scheduled increases.
[2:23:38] >> We can't.
[2:23:39] >> Yeah. Okay.
[2:23:39] >> But I saw the 2,000, that's when I I
[2:23:42] questioned on whether so
[2:23:44] >> So what happened with that is we got a
[2:23:46] document from the state saying and they
[2:23:49] do a different they did a different
[2:23:50] calculation this year.
[2:23:52] And at this point
[2:23:54] we're still get we're still giving him a
[2:23:56] raise
[2:23:57] but the state required that we don't
[2:24:00] give him a raise.
[2:24:02] Because of the way that they did their
[2:24:03] calculations, they didn't provide a good
[2:24:06] detail, but based on his workload here,
[2:24:09] um we were overpaying, but we can't cut
[2:24:12] his pay.
[2:24:14] Um but I can reduce it from what what I
[2:24:17] had budgeted for originally.
[2:24:19] And that's where that decrease came
[2:24:21] from.
[2:24:21] >> Yeah. Thank you.
[2:24:22] >> And then for the parks department, um
[2:24:25] there was a portion of it that we had
[2:24:27] increased based on
[2:24:29] um trends and analysis, we'd increased
[2:24:32] it. We had brought that down a little
[2:24:34] bit to to show a total of $8,000
[2:24:37] savings or difference between um what I
[2:24:40] had firmly budgeted to to what it shows
[2:24:43] now.
[2:24:46] Um
[2:24:48] I also just to let you guys know I
[2:24:51] provided different information.
[2:24:53] Um
[2:24:54] >> We know that.
[2:24:54] >> Hopefully it was somewhat beneficial to
[2:24:57] you guys and and it helped you guys
[2:24:59] understand it a little bit better. I
[2:25:01] broke it out by the personnel costs and
[2:25:04] capital costs and operational costs to kind of show
[2:25:08] where things are, where our funds are
[2:25:10] going and how they're supporting the
[2:25:12] city and the services that we provide.
[2:25:16] » Appreciate that, too. Thank you.
[2:25:17] >> Um let's I'm just going through my list
[2:25:20] here.
[2:25:24] Um
[2:25:26] A majority of the of the increase and
[2:25:28] use of of
[2:25:31] the funds of fund balance is for
[2:25:34] one-time projects.
[2:25:36] Um and
[2:25:39] another portion of that is for staffing
[2:25:41] adjustments that were that were put into
[2:25:43] place.
[2:25:46] Let me think.
[2:25:48] Overall, there's a it's a I know it
[2:25:50] shows a $24 million budget, but there is
[2:25:52] a lot of transfers back and forth
[2:25:54] between other funds, transfers in and
[2:25:57] transfers out. So, actual dollars is not
[2:26:00] $24 million, but a lot of that covers
[2:26:03] what because of the the structure of the
[2:26:06] city,
[2:26:07] um there's a lot of different funds that
[2:26:10] are involved within the city and there
[2:26:11] has to be transferred back and forth.
[2:26:14] Um
[2:26:15] As I mentioned, there was use of uh
[2:26:17] one-time funds um and and fund balance.
[2:26:21] Just so that you guys are aware, fund
[2:26:23] balance is there to
[2:26:25] support future projects. It's it's a lot
[2:26:29] like a savings account so that you guys
[2:26:31] can
[2:26:33] make
[2:26:34] good decisions on on how and what
[2:26:36] projects that fund balance is used for.
[2:26:39] There are some restrictions at the state
[2:26:40] level of of how much we can use or how
[2:26:44] much we can build up our savings for
[2:26:46] each fund. And based on the analysis I
[2:26:49] did, that's where we come out with
[2:26:52] where we are with the 73-75 project. Um
[2:26:55] we I felt that there was enough in our
[2:26:57] fund balance to to support that project.
[2:27:03] Um all in all, this budget does maintain
[2:27:06] the current the current tax rate that we have of the
[2:27:09] 1334.
[2:27:11] Um it provides
[2:27:14] um staffing stability.
[2:27:17] It funds the major infrastructure that's
[2:27:18] needed and
[2:27:21] it also uses reserves strategically for those projects
[2:27:25] while improving transparency in how this data is
[2:27:29] presented to you guys.
[2:27:31] Um
[2:27:33] Do you guys have any questions up to
[2:27:35] this point on the data that I provided
[2:27:38] or
[2:27:39] items that that have been changed from
[2:27:42] the last meeting we had to to the to
[2:27:44] this one.
[2:27:47] >> I just wanted to say I appreciate you
[2:27:48] putting in the per capita
[2:27:50] uh calculations on there. Um like you
[2:27:53] said, I know it's not perfect, but um
[2:27:56] it's one scale and if you constantly use
[2:27:59] one scale to measure, you at least get a
[2:28:02] direction of the of where things are
[2:28:03] going. Um so I really do appreciate
[2:28:06] that.
[2:28:06] >> If if you would like um over the last
[2:28:10] week, I know I didn't have enough time
[2:28:12] to do it and if you guys want the data
[2:28:14] I have pulled um about 10 to 15 other
[2:28:17] cities
[2:28:19] uh their per capita for revenue for
[2:28:21] property tax and sales tax
[2:28:24] and did a per capita for them as well
[2:28:27] um based on their population.
[2:28:29] I can provide that data if you want to
[2:28:31] look at it.
[2:28:32] I didn't present it because
[2:28:35] um I didn't have time to put it in the
[2:28:37] packet, but it's it's there if you want
[2:28:38] it. Um I also broke out a a trend for
[2:28:42] South Weber um for the last five five to
[2:28:45] six years of where we're at
[2:28:48] >> Yeah.
[2:28:48] >> in comparison to to both of those.
[2:28:51] >> Well, I know I appreciate it. I think
[2:28:54] that part of what I was trying to say
[2:28:56] with all of that was
[2:28:58] uh
[2:28:58] try to compare
[2:29:00] and take a real look at
[2:29:02] um if we're
[2:29:04] um overspending where we really should.
[2:29:07] Um
[2:29:09] it's funny with that and um
[2:29:12] the
[2:29:13] seeing that the most that we're going to
[2:29:15] get really out of uh keeping the rate
[2:29:18] holding the rate is around six grand.
[2:29:21] Um
[2:29:22] I think with all the
[2:29:23] uh risks that we have um Parsons going
[2:29:28] out um uh
[2:29:30] at least the option of that happening
[2:29:32] and that fund going down even deeper
[2:29:34] that we get from them. Um, sales tax
[2:29:37] from others
[2:29:38] um, and making sure that they they reach
[2:29:40] certain
[2:29:41] uh, one of the big ones I still have is
[2:29:42] that it shows that we do a hundred and
[2:29:45] $150,000
[2:29:46] of interest earnings, but that's at the
[2:29:49] higher weight rate that we're at right
[2:29:51] now and uh, there is potential at least
[2:29:54] with Trump and the Fed that that will
[2:29:57] lower which means that the income from
[2:29:59] that will also lower. Um, and uh, I just
[2:30:03] want to make sure that as we're looking
[2:30:05] forward we're not spending now and you
[2:30:08] know, not taking into account uh, what's
[2:30:10] coming our way or could come our way.
[2:30:13] Um, so I just I appreciate you putting
[2:30:14] that information in and that was very
[2:30:16] eye-opening for me. Um, so thank you.
[2:30:19] >> Yeah.
[2:30:20] Um, I do need to make one suggestion for
[2:30:25] >> I take back my thank you.
[2:30:26] >> No.
[2:30:27] >> Just kidding.
[2:30:28] >> Um,
[2:30:30] for next meeting
[2:30:33] one of the new requirements from from
[2:30:36] House Bill 236, I believe. Um, one of
[2:30:40] the requirements is that we create a
[2:30:41] schedule for for tax impact.
[2:30:45] Um, the difference between if us holding
[2:30:47] the rate
[2:30:49] um, because we have to go through truth
[2:30:51] in taxation to to hold the rate um, we
[2:30:54] need to create a schedule to show
[2:30:58] the difference between if we just take
[2:30:59] the rate as is and we take that revenue
[2:31:03] or the diff and the difference between
[2:31:05] holding the rate. Um, like I said,
[2:31:07] that's about a a $60,000
[2:31:10] um,
[2:31:11] difference between
[2:31:13] us just taking the rate and and holding
[2:31:16] the rate.
[2:31:16] >> also have to show where it's going.
[2:31:18] >> Correct. And and that's kind of what I
[2:31:20] was getting getting to. There's
[2:31:23] the analysis that I did, there's I think
[2:31:26] three different options that that we can
[2:31:28] look at that. And I
[2:31:31] was hoping to get some kind of direction
[2:31:33] from from council on that.
[2:31:35] Um just as staff, there's one is is we
[2:31:39] can always look at personnel.
[2:31:41] Um that's one option
[2:31:44] um we can come up with to to determine
[2:31:47] that difference between between holding
[2:31:49] the rate and taking the current rate.
[2:31:51] And a second option is operational line
[2:31:55] by line I can go through
[2:31:58] for each of the departments in the
[2:31:59] general fund and determine where we're
[2:32:02] going where we would cut up on those
[2:32:03] line items to to get that to make up for
[2:32:07] that difference of about 60,000.
[2:32:11] Um and third
[2:32:13] we can look at adjusting the rotation of
[2:32:16] the fleet.
[2:32:17] Um that would um create some savings
[2:32:21] there. I haven't had a chance to look at
[2:32:23] what the best options are, but I I was
[2:32:26] wondering if
[2:32:28] what council thought and if they had any
[2:32:30] specific things they want me to look at
[2:32:33] as just providing that number
[2:32:35] not necessarily saying that
[2:32:38] we
[2:32:39] we're not going to go through truth
[2:32:41] taxation because of that that's the
[2:32:43] intent, but if there's that slight
[2:32:45] chance that we
[2:32:46] don't get that we don't hold the rate,
[2:32:50] um
[2:32:51] we would have to figure out where we're
[2:32:52] going to cut and that's kind of where
[2:32:54] this
[2:32:55] tax exempt tax impact schedule is coming
[2:32:57] from from the state.
[2:33:03] There's anything particular you guys
[2:33:04] want me to look at
[2:33:06] where to where to hold back on those
[2:33:08] funds. Know that we can't spend those
[2:33:11] funds
[2:33:12] until
[2:33:13] we we've gone through truth and
[2:33:16] taxation.
[2:33:17] >> Couldn't
[2:33:19] >> What's that?
[2:33:23] If if we hold the rate, correct.
[2:33:29] You accept accept the rate?
[2:33:35] » And I would think that that should fall
[2:33:37] on the department heads.
[2:33:39] You give them the amount that they need
[2:33:40] to cut and
[2:33:42] as
[2:33:44] professionals they know their areas
[2:33:46] better than anyone else and what they
[2:33:47] can and can't cut.
[2:33:50] I don't know.
[2:33:51] >> Okay.
[2:33:51] >> And then if not, then yeah, we would
[2:33:53] have to get involved, but
[2:33:55] >> I want to back up
[2:33:56] to Wayne's comments.
[2:33:58] >> [laughter]
[2:33:59] >> And I don't want to make this meeting go
[2:34:00] any longer than I have.
[2:34:01] >> Thank you.
[2:34:04] >> Okay, but let me let me just clarify.
[2:34:06] You're wanting to So, the original
[2:34:08] budget had us going back 2 years
[2:34:11] to the rate 2 years ago.
[2:34:12] >> Right.
[2:34:13] >> We had him revise it last meeting
[2:34:15] >> Right.
[2:34:15] >> to holding the rate as of our current
[2:34:18] rate.
[2:34:19] >> That's what I think it is.
[2:34:20] >> You said it as if you're talking of
[2:34:22] going and and
[2:34:24] >> Accepting the
[2:34:25] >> Accepting whatever dollars come.
[2:34:27] >> You
[2:34:28] >> So, we're still going to have truth and
[2:34:29] taxation regardless.
[2:34:31] Okay.
[2:34:32] >> That's That's where I was
[2:34:33] >> I was just playing It caught
[2:34:34] [clears throat] me off guard cuz that
[2:34:35] would mean we'd have to find $120,000,
[2:34:38] not just $60,000.
[2:34:41] >> And
[2:34:42] What what this does is just provides
[2:34:43] more transparency to the public
[2:34:45] >> Yeah.
[2:34:45] >> of when we go through truth and
[2:34:47] taxation, where is that increase going?
[2:34:51] >> Right.
[2:34:52] I think we're all in favor of holding
[2:34:54] our current rate. Maybe. I'm not going
[2:34:56] to speak for everybody. I apologize.
[2:34:59] But
[2:35:00] >> Hold on.
[2:35:01] >> Yeah.
[2:35:03] I I do I mean, I think it should be like
[2:35:05] with if if we're going to have to come
[2:35:07] up with a list of saying if we don't go
[2:35:09] if truth and taxation fails and we just
[2:35:12] get what we get
[2:35:14] then you have to have a list. It should
[2:35:16] just go by department.
[2:35:18] And
[2:35:18] >> Yeah.
[2:35:21] >> I can do that.
[2:35:22] >> I didn't quite follow how the cost
[2:35:24] savings on the fleet would impact that.
[2:35:27] >> It will go by department, is that it? Or
[2:35:29] weighted?
[2:35:30] >> I would think so.
[2:35:31] Weighted by the size of the department.
[2:35:34] >> Yeah.
[2:35:34] >> Do you want Do you want me to do that or
[2:35:36] do you want me to leave it up to the
[2:35:37] department heads to make that decision?
[2:35:39] >> Well, I mean
[2:35:40] >> Or give it give it
[2:35:42] >> Here's the data right here.
[2:35:44] >> [laughter]
[2:35:46] >> But if it's if it's like an 8% then
[2:35:49] I I would think that 8% of their current
[2:35:52] budget
[2:35:52] >> I don't think it's likely in any
[2:35:54] meeting, but I It's just I think you
[2:35:56] give a percentage of that $60,000 into
[2:35:58] the department.
[2:36:00] >> Okay.
[2:36:00] >> On based on the size of the department.
[2:36:01] >> Okay.
[2:36:03] Um go going back to the fleet, we would
[2:36:06] just
[2:36:07] because they're
[2:36:09] the way that I have it built into the
[2:36:11] budget is
[2:36:12] those
[2:36:14] leads that that are going to be rotated
[2:36:16] next year
[2:36:17] they do have a a higher cost to them.
[2:36:21] Um because we're because we're
[2:36:24] purchasing a new vehicle, we have that
[2:36:26] cost and then we have the there's just that extra cost of
[2:36:31] purchasing the vehicle. We do build it
[2:36:33] in so that that covers the expense side.
[2:36:37] Um but that's the extra cost to to the
[2:36:40] departments within the general fund is
[2:36:43] if they're going to rotate a vehicle,
[2:36:46] there is an extra cost because there's
[2:36:48] one more payment in that year
[2:36:50] that they pay for, but we also gain that
[2:36:52] back when we sell the vehicle.
[2:36:56] Does that Does that
[2:36:58] answer your question?
[2:36:59] >> Yeah.
[2:37:00] >> Okay.
[2:37:02] » Have we looked at getting sponsorships
[2:37:04] for the Quint? I mean like STP and you
[2:37:07] know like
[2:37:10] » [laughter]
[2:37:12] >> Just like NASCAR, man.
[2:37:13] >> That was a big expense.
[2:37:16] >> [laughter]
[2:37:18] » I I do have to say that that Derek has
[2:37:21] done a great job with that, the way that
[2:37:23] it's set up to to make payments if we
[2:37:26] make payments throughout the build.
[2:37:28] There's certain discounts that we do get
[2:37:30] and I think that's a great option cuz that saves the city
[2:37:35] quite a bit.
[2:37:37] >> We got a great chief, we know that.
[2:37:46] » [laughter]
[2:37:50] » Wow.
[2:37:53] Okay.
[2:37:55] Council have any other questions on the
[2:37:57] budget?
[2:37:57] >> Do No motion or anything on that, right?
[2:37:59] >> I don't think so.
[2:38:00] >> No, it's just discussion.
[2:38:02] >> Thank you for the effort.
[2:38:03] >> Thank you. Thank you, Brett.
[2:38:04] >> that's a good job.
[2:38:05] >> We appreciate it.
[2:38:06] >> Welcome.
[2:38:07] >> Jamie, have you got anything?
[2:38:09] >> No.
[2:38:10] >> We're good.
[2:38:11] We've done everything good tonight.
[2:38:14] >> You're all a little brilliant.
[2:38:15] >> Okay.
[2:38:17] Tia?
[2:38:18] thank you for being here. Are you
[2:38:20] filling in for Shaylee or you
[2:38:28] I saw you taking pictures, so I thought
[2:38:30] you you were filling in for Shaylee.
[2:38:32] Thank you for coming. Appreciate you.
[2:38:35] >> She was here to support me.
[2:38:38] >> Unless council has got something else
[2:38:40] new business or something to report on
[2:38:42] their committee, I'm going to ask that
[2:38:44] we adjourn.
[2:38:45] >> Move to adjourn.
[2:38:46] >> Second.
[2:38:47] >> All in favor, say I.
[2:38:48] >> I.
[2:38:50] >> Go home.