1 00:03:54,760 --> 00:11:34,750 Mhm. 2 00:11:34,760 --> 00:17:47,190 » Mhm. 3 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,360 » Thank you, Blair, for that prayer. 4 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:51,760 We'll begin this evening with public 5 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,440 comments. If you've got a public uh 6 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,960 comment, we'd ask you to come up to the 7 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,440 microphone and state your name and the 8 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,680 city in which you reside. I'll allow you 9 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,920 3 minutes to speak, and please direct 10 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,360 the entire 11 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:04,440 council, and please be respectful. If 12 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,520 you have a comment on either of the 13 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,000 public hearing 14 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,840 that uh we've got tonight, we would ask 15 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,760 that you make your comments during those 16 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,070 public hearings. 17 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,800 » Paul Sturm, South Weber City. 18 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,680 The comment I have tonight has to do 19 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:23,560 with 20 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,000 and it's sort of the formatting of the 21 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,680 packet itself. 22 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,160 The headers 23 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,160 have been eliminated on every one of the 24 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,040 action items. And when you're 25 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,680 previewing the actual packet itself, 26 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,160 it's a whole lot easier to see that 27 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,160 you've changed topics 28 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,360 if you had that header in place. 29 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,840 And that's on pages 14, 15, 30 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,560 85, 99, and 107 in the packet tonight. 31 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,800 It just makes it a whole lot easier to keep it straight when you're paging 32 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,640 through it, and all of a sudden you see 33 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,120 the header, and you know you've got a 34 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,080 different topic. 35 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,400 >> Right. 36 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,030 >> Thank you. 37 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,910 Paul. 38 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,910 Anyone else? 39 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,480 Okay, next item is to approve April 40 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,120 26th, 2026 minutes. 41 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:20,480 Are there any adjustments or changes or 42 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,840 discussion to the meeting minutes of 43 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,680 April the 28th? If not, we'll look for a 44 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,760 motion to approve that. 45 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,800 >> May I make a motion to approve the April 46 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,960 28th, 2026 minutes? 47 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,520 >> Second. 48 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,600 >> All in favor, say I. 49 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,910 >> I. 50 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,360 » Okay, next item, public hearing. We're 51 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:42,000 going to look for a motion to open 52 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,920 public hearing for executive municipal 53 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,800 officers' salary increases. 54 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:48,760 >> I'll move. 55 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,480 >> Second. 56 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,880 >> Motion is seconded by Councilman 57 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,280 Halverson. 58 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,520 All in favor, say I. 59 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,830 >> I. 60 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,080 » Okay, public hearing is open. Anyone 61 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,480 have any comments they would like to 62 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,040 make? 63 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,960 >> Mayor, prior to any comments, can I 64 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,440 >> Oh, this is where you wanted to 65 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,320 >> Can I say something? 66 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:06,840 >> Yeah. 67 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,120 one of the numbers on here, um the 68 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:10,960 public works assistant director shows us 69 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,720 3.4%. 70 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,760 Um that actually needs to be 6.8%. 71 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,840 So, that's a difference than what than 72 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,040 what the packet shows. And the reason 73 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,400 for that is similar to the public works 74 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,040 director position, the conversation has 75 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,520 been to 76 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,160 adjust the status of those positions to 77 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,000 the FLSA exempt status. They are not 78 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,720 currently, they are hourly. And the 79 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,760 methodology um 80 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,360 needed to be the same in both of those 81 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,560 numbers, but but they were not. The 3.4% 82 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,120 did not include that adjustment um 83 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,920 to be FLSA exempt. And so, that's why 84 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,280 that needs to be 6.8 instead of 3.4. 85 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,640 >> Can I ask a clarifying question? 86 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,640 >> You bet. 87 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,560 >> Is the [clears throat] 88 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,680 6.8 already included in the budget and 89 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,120 it's just a typo on this or 90 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,520 was that also requiring an adjust 91 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,800 adjustment on the budget itself? 92 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,360 >> There will be a slight adjustment, um 93 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:10,720 but it's not a major adjustment, no. 94 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,760 >> Okay. Thank you. 95 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,200 >> Yeah. 96 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,190 >> Okay, thank you, Dave. 97 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,280 Anyone else? Seeing no other ones, I 98 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,200 look for a motion to close the public 99 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:20,840 hearing. 100 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,520 >> So moved. 101 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,400 >> Second. 102 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,680 >> All in favor, say I. 103 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,440 >> I. 104 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,200 >> You get the second from Joel. 105 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,640 Okay, next item public hearing for 106 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,400 fiscal year 2017 tentative budget with 107 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,200 proposed property tax increase. Look for 108 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,760 a motion to open this public hearing. 109 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,320 >> So moved. 110 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,680 >> Second. 111 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:44,760 >> All in favor, say I. 112 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,720 >> I. 113 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,040 >> Okay, public hearing is open. Any other 114 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,600 comments? 115 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,360 Seeing none, we'll 116 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,200 ask for a motion to close the public 117 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,870 hearing. 118 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,120 » So moved. 119 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,440 >> Second. 120 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,560 >> All in favor, say I. 121 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,990 >> I. 122 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,800 » Next item, resolution 26-17, 123 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,270 uh North End Dispatch Agreement. 124 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,120 Any discussion on this resolution? 125 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:24,670 From the council? 126 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,280 Okay, this 127 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,440 >> Lisa, could we jump to that side, that 128 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,750 portion? 129 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,400 Eric, the rates and everything looked 130 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:41,710 fairly similar, weren't they? 131 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,480 » Our cost went up by just over $10,000, 132 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,760 um and that's as how they've calculated 133 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,640 bringing all the other agencies that 134 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,200 aren't currently part of Layton Dispatch 135 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,920 on board. Once they were able to 136 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,920 calculate all all of those numbers, 137 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,760 I think we're seeing about a $12,000 138 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:03,710 increase over the prior year. 139 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:15,750 » Yeah. 140 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,200 » Okay, we'll look for a motion on this 141 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,040 then. 142 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,040 >> Mayor, move to approve resolution 26-17 143 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,920 as written. 144 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:24,640 >> Okay, we have a motion. 145 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,200 >> Second. 146 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,400 >> We have a second by Councilman 147 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,920 Halverson. 148 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,040 Do a roll call vote starting with 149 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Councilman Windsor. 150 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,280 >> I. 151 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,360 >> Okay, motion carries. 152 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,040 I forgot to excuse Councilwoman Petty. 153 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,280 She's 154 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,640 uh out of town and asked to be excused, 155 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,430 so. 156 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,400 Next item. 157 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,000 Uh 158 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,160 resolution 26-18 emergency medical 159 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,760 service director contract with Summer 160 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,680 Grace LLC. 161 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:04,790 Any discussion on this resolution? 162 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,600 He's been doing this for quite some time 163 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,880 for us. 164 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,920 >> I I agree with the background memo. It's 165 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,320 been It's been a good job and a and a 166 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,720 very, very reasonable price. 167 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,640 >> I agree. 168 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,880 >> Totally. 169 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,840 >> Okay, we'll look for a motion on this. 170 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,760 >> Mayor, move to approve resolution 26-18 171 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,320 emergency medical services director 172 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,600 contract with Summer Grace LLC. 173 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,320 >> Second. 174 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,920 >> We have a motion Councilman Halverson. 175 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,280 Do a roll call vote starting with 176 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,480 Councilman Halverson. 177 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,510 >> I. 178 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,440 » Okay, motion carries. Thanks. 179 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,960 Next, uh 180 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,720 we need to move into a board 181 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,960 uh meetings. We'll ask uh to suspend a 182 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,560 motion to suspend uh council. I move 183 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,440 convict 184 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,760 >> Yeah, we got the got the insurance. Is 185 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,400 that not on your 186 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,840 >> No, I've had that one. 187 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,360 >> There you go. That 2619 is all right. 188 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:01,840 >> a minute. Is that 189 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,400 >> Yeah, that's the bond revenue. 190 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,440 >> Mhm. 191 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,960 It's not on my 192 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,840 Okay. Excuse me. 193 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,440 We won't go into board meeting just yet. 194 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480 Uh resolution 195 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,920 26 196 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,560 -19 authorizing 197 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,680 the issuance of a lease 198 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,360 revenue bond 199 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,920 by the local building authority of the 200 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,470 city. 201 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,520 Can we Do we want to do that now, Dave? 202 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,080 Do we want to do the board before we do 203 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:33,920 that? 204 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,120 >> I'll city first. 205 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,960 >> City first? 206 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,280 >> Yeah. 207 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,710 >> Okay. 208 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:46,550 Any discussion on that? 209 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,920 Not, then we'll look for a 210 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,280 >> Does everybody 211 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,000 understand what all that is? 212 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,960 >> I thought I did. 213 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:53,440 >> Yeah. 214 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,560 >> So, where we're I mean, just we we would 215 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,000 narrow down to two in the last 216 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,160 finance meeting. 217 00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,600 >> Yep. 218 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,560 >> And uh that's what we were going back 219 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,280 with, and that's why Zion is here. But, 220 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,760 it is a good savings. 221 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,840 >> Yep. 222 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,200 >> Okay. 223 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,080 >> You can keep 224 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,240 >> We'll look for a motion. 225 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,240 >> Yeah. You got another one? 226 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,120 >> Here, approve make a motion to approve 227 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,600 resolution 26-19 authorizing the 228 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,360 issuance of lease revenue bonds by the 229 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,040 local building authority of the city. 230 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,960 >> Second. 231 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,280 >> Okay, we have a motion that's seconded 232 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,080 by Councilman Iverson. We'll do roll 233 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,720 call with Councilman Windsor. 234 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,320 >> Aye. 235 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,880 >> Okay, motion carries. Appreciate that. 236 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240 Okay, now we'll 237 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,160 look to a motion to suspend council and 238 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,200 move into 239 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,560 to our board meetings. 240 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,760 >> I'll make a motion to suspend our 241 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,600 council meeting to move into the RDA and 242 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,920 LBA board meetings. 243 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,760 >> Second. 244 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,920 >> Okay, we have a motion that's seconded 245 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,040 by Councilman Davis. 246 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,990 All in favor say I. 247 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Okay, we're now in our board meeting. 248 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,920 The development agency board meeting. 249 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,560 We'll begin with 250 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,600 the one item here. 251 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,280 Uh public hearing for RDA 252 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,790 fiscal year 2027 tentative budget. 253 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,880 For a motion to open the public hearing. 254 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,670 >> So moved. 255 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,320 » Have a second? 256 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,320 >> Second. 257 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,920 >> Motion and a second. All in favor say I. 258 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,560 >> I. 259 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,040 >> Okay, board meeting public hearing is 260 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,080 now open. Anyone have any comments 261 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,800 they'd like to make? 262 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,760 Seeing none, we'll ask for a motion to 263 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,120 close the public hearing. 264 00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:45,440 >> So moved. 265 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,040 >> Second. 266 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,440 >> All in favor say I. 267 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,270 >> I. 268 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,280 » Okay, we'll adjourn from RDA and we'll 269 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,440 convene to our building authority 270 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,200 board meeting. 271 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,600 Look for a motion to do this, so. 272 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,520 >> So moved. 273 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,400 >> Second. 274 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,840 >> All in favor say I. 275 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,190 >> I. 276 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,320 » Okay, local board authority board 277 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,040 meeting. 278 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,920 Have an item to have a public hearing. 279 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,520 We'll look for a motion to open public 280 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,560 hearing for LBA fiscal year 20 281 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,360 27 tentative budget. 282 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,120 >> So moved. 283 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:27,360 >> Second. 284 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,760 >> All in favor say I. 285 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,480 >> I. 286 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,000 >> Okay, this public hearing is open. 287 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,120 Anyone like to make any comments? 288 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:40,039 >> We got plenty of opportunity. 289 00:28:40,049 --> 00:28:42,270 » [laughter] 290 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,200 » Seeing none, we'll ask for a motion to 291 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,440 close this public hearing. 292 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,520 >> Motion to close. 293 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,400 >> Second. 294 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,680 >> All in favor say I. 295 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,150 >> I. 296 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,480 » Next item on the agenda is LBA 297 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,480 resolution 26-02 authorizing the 298 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:58,920 insurance of 299 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,560 the issuance of 300 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,560 lease revenue bond by the authority. 301 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:11,390 Any discussion on this? 302 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,800 » Chairman, I'll make a motion to approve 303 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,880 LBA resolution 2602 authorizing the 304 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,760 issuance of lease revenue bonds by the 305 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,400 authority. 306 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,680 >> Seconded. 307 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,560 by Councilman Davis. 308 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,280 Do a roll call call vote starting with 309 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,040 board member Halverson. 310 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:36,750 >> I. 311 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,080 » Okay, thank you. Motion approves. I look 312 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,080 for a motion to adjourn and reconvene 313 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,120 back to city council. 314 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,240 >> So moved. 315 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,680 >> Seconded. 316 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,000 >> All in favor say I. 317 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,790 >> I. 318 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960 » We are back. 319 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,440 We're not I guess we're not getting all 320 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,605 that for 321 00:30:00,615 --> 00:30:02,080 » [laughter] 322 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,640 >> Thank you very much. We appreciate your 323 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,440 work on this. It's going to save us some money. It's going to be 324 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:14,310 great. 325 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,630 Okay. 326 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,760 Councilman Davis. 327 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,710 >> And I second it. 328 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,240 One Michelle. 329 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,520 >> New business. Dave, if you got any new 330 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,640 business you'd like to bring up? 331 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,320 >> I have a couple things to report but no 332 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,720 new business. 333 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,680 >> Okay. 334 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,920 Give us your report. 335 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,040 >> Uh we have finalized the date for the 336 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,520 public works open house for the public. 337 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,880 We will begin publishing that tomorrow 338 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,160 morning. We are doing an open house from 339 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,920 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. on Wednesday, 340 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,520 June 3rd. So, a week from tomorrow. 341 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,640 And 342 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,480 it will be a self-guided tour, but we'll 343 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,160 have staff members there to assist and 344 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440 answer questions and and talk about the 345 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,200 project for people that 346 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,320 want to ask questions or whatnot, but 347 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320 it should be a a pretty exciting time 348 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,000 and opportunity for the public who's 349 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,760 wanted to go through the building and 350 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,320 see it to to see it. 351 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,400 >> So, you know, that'll be good. 352 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,510 >> Relating to people knowing 353 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,040 » Uh we're planning on sending out an 354 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,520 email, sending out through social media. 355 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,640 We'll put it on the digital sign and 356 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,160 try to publish that the ways that we 357 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,920 normally do. If there are other ways 358 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:35,270 that you would like us to or not to do whatever you'd like. 359 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,920 Um public notices, we could do it as a 360 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,920 public notice. 361 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Yeah. 362 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,840 We don't typically do events as a public 363 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,000 notice like that, but 364 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,960 we could potentially do that. 365 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,000 >> Can we do that? 366 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,880 >> Um 367 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,280 >> It's not a public body. 368 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,160 It's not a public hearing. 369 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,320 >> Yeah, so the the notice website's 370 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,040 reserved for 371 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040 meetings of public bodies and there's 372 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,480 not no public bodies meeting or acting. 373 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,560 So, I think it's probably best just 374 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880 through social media channels and the 375 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,040 city's website. 376 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,040 >> Okay. 377 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,200 Thanks for that clarification. 378 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,720 >> Appreciate that. One quick note, do you 379 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,720 think that they could get rid of the 380 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:18,920 weeds at the front of the building 381 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,640 before the open house? 382 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,190 >> We'll do what we can. 383 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,800 » Have we Have we had a meeting with 384 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,640 Valley Design at all? 385 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,720 >> No. 386 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,240 I haven't. 387 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,000 >> We have not. 388 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,080 >> There's been a No, there's been a couple 389 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,800 of exchanges on on some items that need 390 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:42,230 attention, but not a true meeting, no. 391 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,800 The other thing that I wanted to uh 392 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,520 report on is just a shout-out to the 393 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,200 fire department. Uh there have been 394 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,920 necessary response for multiple fires 395 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,200 over the last few weeks, and and they 396 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,880 have proved themselves again and again, 397 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,560 and just really want to recognize that 398 00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,280 um 399 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,080 they they just keep proving themselves 400 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,360 to the city that they're really good at 401 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,640 what they do in protecting us, and um 402 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,320 these fires have started for different 403 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,720 reasons, but most of them have included 404 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,560 an intentional, you know, ignition, and 405 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,760 uh and so we need to talk about that 406 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,400 maybe on a broader scale, but they've 407 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,800 responded uh quickly and and limited 408 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,640 damage in uh in really significant ways. 409 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,800 Um could have been a lot worse, so 410 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,360 shout-out to them. 411 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,360 >> Okay. Anything else, Dave? 412 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,400 >> Not for me. 413 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,040 >> Okay, Council. Do you have any 414 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,480 items 415 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,640 to committee reports, anyone have? 416 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,520 Wayne Adamson, you 417 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,880 >> Uh we could probably give an update to 418 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,400 the progress uh 419 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,640 with the train clubs that uh we've 420 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,400 reached out to them. 421 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Uh actually, they reached out to us with 422 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200 some questions about uh 423 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,200 um moving forward in some of the 424 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,880 insurance items, which we responded to 425 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,560 within 24 hours. 426 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,920 We then uh reminded them that the 427 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,280 insurance items were separate apart from 428 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,040 the 60 days in which to negotiate a 429 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,560 contract. They're now 30 days in. We've 430 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,960 still not had them reach out to us to 431 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,520 set a date to begin negotiations. Um 432 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,320 staff has been asked to maybe write a 433 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,720 letter to them reminding them that uh 434 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:15,520 they have until June 30th to uh have a 435 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,919 negotiated agreement to be brought 436 00:34:16,919 --> 00:34:18,240 before the council before the council 437 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,679 considers terminating their current 438 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:20,919 agreement. 439 00:34:20,919 --> 00:34:23,080 Um so, we stand ready to begin 440 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,120 negotiations, but the Boles on Air Court 441 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:31,030 uh we have not received sir from them. 442 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,520 » Thanks for staying on top that. 443 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,120 >> We all admire him. 444 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,000 >> Has he stepped down? What's his What's 445 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,320 his name? Did you guys think that? 446 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:40,879 >> Parker. 447 00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:43,360 >> Yeah, he did step down. 448 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,440 >> Okay. 449 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,520 Mr. Chairman. 450 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,679 >> Yeah, we had a safety committee today. 451 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,600 It was uh 452 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,919 a lot of fun. We had some good 453 00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:53,480 interaction in there. 454 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,560 Um 455 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,040 but uh uh Dave kind of stole a little 456 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,360 bit of thunder calling out uh the recent 457 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,480 fires 458 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,320 uh there but that's all right. I'll 459 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,360 forgive you this time. No, I'm just 460 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,160 kidding. 461 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,320 You can totally find it. 462 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,200 Um but yeah, I I agree with what he 463 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,880 said. Um 464 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,120 you know, we our responses those are are 465 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,080 quick. It always reminds me of the 466 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,600 maybe some of the naysayers in the city 467 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,680 are like, "Well, why do we need a fire 468 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,040 a full-time fire team all the time?" And 469 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,320 it's like, "Well, it doesn't matter 470 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,360 until it does or until your house is the 471 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,200 one that's on fire and 472 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,720 there's a 15-minute delay instead of a 473 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,680 2-minute delay and now your house is 474 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,520 burned down to the ground and you're sad. So 475 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,240 um 476 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,440 that's what goes through my head my 477 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,040 mind. Am I Am I the only one that thinks 478 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:40,480 that way? 479 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,839 >> No, I agree. I just like that and you're sad. 480 00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:45,910 >> [laughter] 481 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,200 » So 482 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,120 uh so thank you Derek and and thank you 483 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,000 to your entire team for being as 484 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,760 vigilant as you guys are. We appreciate 485 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,200 it. 486 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,400 Um oh my gosh, my mind just went blank. 487 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,560 Give me a second. 488 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,440 Um we also did bring up the requested 489 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,560 conversation around e-bikes and golf 490 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,320 carts. So I'll just kind of 491 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,360 um give you kind of a high-level review 492 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,920 and then I'll let Wayne and the mayor 493 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,560 and David keep me honest if I'm if I go 494 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,720 off track here but 495 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,440 Um all right, so a couple things to 496 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,280 break down here. When it comes to 497 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,440 e-bikes, e-scooters, uh according to 498 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,800 state law, those are considered 499 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,960 bicycles. There's no way around that. So 500 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,600 basically all rules with and it seems 501 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,320 like there's some additional rules that 502 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,800 come with e-bikes like if they are 503 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,200 modified etc. That came up. 504 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,240 Um so long as they're following the 505 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,600 standard bicycle rules of the road then 506 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,040 they're 100% allowed and that goes for 507 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,720 all like 508 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,640 one-wheeled, two-wheeled 509 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,040 bikes, e-bikes, whatever you want to 510 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,120 call them. Is that the gist of it? Is 511 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,640 that correct? 512 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,560 Okay. 513 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,800 I'm getting the nod from Jamie. So um 514 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,160 So I know there were some concerns there 515 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,720 but there's not really anything we can 516 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,680 do on that one unless the state decides 517 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,320 to throw down some some new regulations 518 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,480 in regards to that. So that's that's 519 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,120 where we stand on the e-bike uh 520 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,000 conversation. In regards to 521 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,720 four-wheelers and ATVs, uh 522 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:11,680 we don't have really any flexibility 523 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,400 there or very little flexibility to 524 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,320 where it's not really flexible. 525 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,040 So the standard uh rules of the road are 526 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,880 you have to be 16 and your vehicle needs 527 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,920 to be street worthy otherwise it 528 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,560 shouldn't happen and expect to get a 529 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,840 ticket from the sheriff's office um when 530 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,640 they pull you over. 531 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,160 >> License. 532 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,200 >> And they have to be licensed, yes. 533 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,840 Um and then the big one that was that 534 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,480 one of the one I think is the big one is 535 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,560 the golf cart discussion. So this one is 536 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,800 interesting. So we have a lot of 537 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,160 flexibility in what we want to do with 538 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,440 golf carts in the city. 539 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,840 Um but the general consensus uh from the 540 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,720 committee was that um to make sure that 541 00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,520 we don't uh go too far with the 542 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,400 approvals and the allowance of the use 543 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,480 of golf carts. 544 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,160 That if we start to put restrictions on 545 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,440 what we think would make the most sense 546 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,760 from a safety perspective that the 547 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,480 restrictions would be so much that you 548 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,640 couldn't really use golf carts outside 549 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,440 of your own little pocket of the 550 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,760 neighborhood. 551 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,440 Um 552 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,680 However, 553 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,720 um if if there's enough um 554 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,160 If there's enough desire to start 555 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,640 carving out little pockets on where they 556 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,360 can be allowed and and what and how old 557 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,200 we want people to be to be able to drive 558 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,000 them, etc. 559 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,040 Then we could draft something 560 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,120 together to see if anybody would even want to go down that route, 561 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,640 but before we had staff even go down 562 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,280 that route, I was 563 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,920 or we were curious and it's too bad 564 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,560 Angie's in here cuz I'm sure she'd have 565 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,480 a very strong opinion on this one, but 566 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,800 uh we were just curious if we wanted to 567 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,400 even go there or do we just stick with 568 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,920 state code and and leave it at those 569 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,560 restrictions or if if anybody felt 570 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,840 >> What one is the state code? 571 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,680 >> Yeah, that's what I was going to ask 572 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,960 you. Yeah, so state code is basically 573 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,320 um 574 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,560 Yeah, basically you can. 575 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,720 >> Basically no golf carts. 576 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,640 >> Yeah, yeah no golf carts. 577 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,080 So 578 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,360 um the option would be to follow or 579 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,880 mimic something like what St. George 580 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,680 Vineyard was another example that I I 581 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,200 didn't quite like Vineyards. I think St. 582 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,720 George would be 583 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,680 a better one to mimic ours off of if we 584 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,040 wanted 585 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,000 >> to start somewhere. 586 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,600 >> Uh but again, the restrictions that they 587 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,200 have is basically not allowed on any 588 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,640 road that's over 25 mph 589 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,360 and which means you're you're not 590 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,680 crossing South Weber Drive, which means 591 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,080 like I said, because of the way our 592 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,720 city's designed, 593 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,200 if we allow them, they're going to be so 594 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,920 boxed in that almost 595 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,640 what's the point of allowing them? So 596 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,240 that we could carve out exceptions. 597 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,200 That's definitely a part of what St. 598 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,880 George does as well. They carved out 599 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,680 certain exceptions like oh go on on this 600 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,480 section of this road, it's allowed, but 601 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,360 nowhere else on that road. 602 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,560 >> Wasn't but wasn't one of the requests 603 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,360 and I could be totally wrong because 604 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,440 obviously a golf cart doesn't go 40 so 605 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,440 not down South Weber Drive unless it's a 606 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,840 modified golf cart. 607 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:04,680 >> Right. 608 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,720 >> Um 609 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,560 wasn't the request from an individual to 610 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,240 allow them on the sidewalk? 611 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,120 >> Yeah, so we were pretty uniformly 612 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,280 against the sidewalk idea. 613 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,200 >> Nobody Nobody 614 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,520 >> I I agree with that. That's why I was 615 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,280 just curious if that if I remember the 616 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,000 request 617 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,200 >> it into the code if you so wish, but I I 618 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,640 think that would be a horrible option 619 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,120 personally. 620 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,560 >> Otherwise, to me it 621 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,112 I mean 622 00:40:28,112 --> 00:40:28,600 >> [clears throat] 623 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,600 >> Yeah, I don't I don't think they should 624 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,360 be running down South River Drive all 625 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,360 the time. 626 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:32,800 >> Right. 627 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,560 >> Well 628 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,600 >> That was generally the consensus is that 629 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,520 we didn't want them operating on South 630 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,080 River Drive. Now, the the one call out 631 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,360 was, "Well, what about between 2100 and 632 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,400 89 you have an extra extra wide 633 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,280 shoulder. 634 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,320 And if somebody if if we would be 635 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,840 comfortable with that, I think 636 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,800 I'm kind of 50/50 on that one, but 637 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,480 everybody else was was almost like a 638 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,560 hard pass on that one. So 639 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,880 >> I'm everyone else so 640 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,138 >> Okay, there's only two of us so 641 00:41:04,138 --> 00:41:05,000 >> [laughter] 642 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,310 >> I'm everyone. 643 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,080 » So, I think 644 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,880 >> I'm I'm okay with allowing them anywhere 645 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,160 but under 30 or 25, but that's that's 646 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,960 restricted. I mean, that would be a just 647 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,920 a blanket thing across this 648 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,440 but that's just something people would 649 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,400 have to learn. 650 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:22,720 >> Yeah. 651 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,600 >> I mean, cuz there's a lot that go 652 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,240 around. I mean, there's 653 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,080 10 or 12 that go around my neighborhood 654 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,400 all the time. 655 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:29,560 >> Yeah. 656 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,440 >> I mean whether they're adult I mean, a 657 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,120 lot of them are adults driving them. 658 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,800 >> Yeah. 659 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,720 >> So, I mean, that's totally I'll leave 660 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:36,640 that up to the committee for 661 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,520 recommendation. 662 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,760 >> understand why St. George had them 663 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,280 starting in January. You know, with all 664 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,520 the golf courses down there and uh 665 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,000 the tenured 666 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,080 uh people who live down there um that's 667 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,040 probably their mode of transportation. 668 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,800 Uh it made sense to have some sort of um 669 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,960 additional requirements to what the 670 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,760 state had to allow certain things like 671 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,720 that cuz people own um the golf carts. 672 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,480 As Jeremy was saying here, if if we're 673 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,080 you know, one the age of the driver was 674 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,160 part of the restrictions in the code. Um 675 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,080 16 and above. Um and then the speed 676 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,640 limit. If you putting them on roads that 677 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,120 are above 35 mph 678 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,360 who's who's at risk? You know, you got a 679 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,280 semi, you know, you can't control things 680 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,440 that are going down South Liver Drive. 681 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,400 You get an 18-wheeler or even a big dump 682 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,360 truck coming down there and uh it just 683 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,680 it makes for a very uncomfortable 684 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,600 situation. Uh 685 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,520 and then one of the destinations, 686 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,720 you know, the golf course, where people 687 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,080 want to go, you know, maybe they go to 688 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,520 the elementary school, maybe the rec 689 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,760 center, Maverick, uh see or the other. 690 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,680 So, these are where people go. Those 691 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,160 seem to be the areas that people may 692 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,960 want to go to do the candy run or 693 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,520 whatever you want to do, but how do you 694 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,600 going to get there if you list if it's 695 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,320 25 30 [clears throat] miles an hour or 696 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,960 less or 25 miles an hour or less? 697 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,800 There's no route to get there. So, now 698 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,640 it's like, okay, are are you setting 699 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,600 them up to, you know, just jet across 700 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,600 the the Frontage Road or just jet across 701 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,600 South Liver Drive and now 702 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,400 yeah, they're adults or near adults and 703 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,440 they got to make decisions, but 704 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,920 yeah, at what point do you people want 705 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,200 to push that limit? So, the question 706 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,960 became, do we want staff to move forward 707 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,440 and put something together like that 708 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,120 knowing it's going to be, 709 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,080 you know, 710 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,080 blocky? I guess was the was the 711 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,280 terminology that was used. Uh or do we 712 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,000 say, you know, by all that effort, it's really not worth having, so why 713 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,880 spend the time? That was kind of this question we wanted to ask 714 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:21,440 the council. 715 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,400 >> Yeah. 716 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,160 >> Do you think Do you know what the state 717 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,640 code is for drivers 16 and above? 718 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,240 Or is it absolutely no one? 719 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:31,200 >> No golf carts on public 720 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,640 >> No golf 721 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,480 >> Yeah. 722 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,440 >> I thought we couldn't supersede state 723 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,190 law. 724 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,040 » You're not. State law establishes a 725 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,520 default rule. 726 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,160 And so, the default is no golf carts, 727 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,320 and then there's space for cities to 728 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,680 allow them. 729 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,240 And it points out the different 730 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:55,560 elements of the use of a golf cart that 731 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,760 a city can restrict. So, you can 732 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,720 restrict the age of the driver, 733 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,520 the locations where golf carts can be 734 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,920 driven, 735 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,240 the speeds of the locations where they 736 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,200 can be driven and then 737 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,600 um whether they can allow passengers in 738 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,360 the golf cart or not. 739 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,560 >> Well, I would just say that if I I would 740 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,920 prefer 741 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,360 um instead of just letting it go 742 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,840 willy-nilly, that we do have staff 743 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,920 um sit down put together age 744 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,560 um 745 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,800 just thinking through it here, I know I 746 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,400 can make it from all the way over from 747 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,680 Maverick um to 748 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,520 um at least the school and now beyond it 749 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,160 going a little bit further. So, I think 750 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,320 you're right. As long as we're looking 751 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,960 at, okay, is the real question 752 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,080 are we looking for 753 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,840 two or three people that want to be able 754 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,800 to cross the overpass 755 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,560 to get to Maverick 756 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,120 or are we talking about we've got just 757 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,160 so much demand that everybody else wants 758 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,720 to be able to drive their golf carts up 759 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,560 and down the roads constantly? 760 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,760 >> Yeah, that that 761 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,120 I get them on my road and every time 762 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,080 it's underage kids. 763 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,040 Every time they are hanging on to the 764 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,280 sides. 765 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,360 Um they're not driving it responsibly. 766 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,720 They're driving it as if they're having 767 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:19,800 fun. 768 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,440 Um and if they're going to do that, 769 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,880 that's one thing, but as soon as it 770 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,280 starts endangering other people, 771 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,040 then I think we do have to step in and 772 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,240 say, "Okay, um 773 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,000 if it's going to cause damage to 774 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,880 vehicles that are around there, 775 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,840 um then it shouldn't just be a free pass 776 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,120 for them to go." 777 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,360 But, if we get it to an age of you know, 778 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,960 16, then 779 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,480 yeah, if you can drive a car or you can 780 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,880 drive a a motorcycle or a four-wheeler, 781 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,160 yeah, you should be able to drive a golf 782 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,120 cart any place if that's what you really 783 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,200 want to do. Uh like you said, they don't 784 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,040 really go fast, so 785 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,960 if I'm 16, if I can have a four-wheeler 786 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,280 or a golf cart, I'm definitely going 787 00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,070 with a four-wheeler. 788 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,400 Oh, I would, too. All you have to do is 789 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,440 increase the 790 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,800 and that's going to increase the amount 791 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,131 of 792 00:46:04,131 --> 00:46:04,480 >> [laughter] 793 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,960 >> golf carts 794 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,680 >> So, so one one of the things that came 795 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,800 up is I think it was 796 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,280 St. George example is that as soon as 797 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,280 they instituted the rule, they saw a big 798 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,440 influx in golf carts. So, that was 799 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,360 something that was just an interesting 800 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,640 fact. I'm not sure if that would hold 801 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,480 true everywhere. You would As soon as 802 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,960 you announce that golf carts are now 803 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,280 allowed, are you going to see a bunch of 804 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,120 people buying golf carts to where now 805 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,600 it's a 806 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,400 more popular thing to do than it once 807 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,320 was? I don't know. 808 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,400 >> And it sounds like anecdotal evidence 809 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,040 cuz unless they're writing a lot more 810 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,120 tickets, which they wouldn't be, but 811 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,480 again, going back to almost your point, 812 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,480 if we're going to give them the freedom 813 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,720 to do it, and we set the age, 814 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:49,680 then why not? If we want to have, you 815 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,080 know, everybody wants to buy a golf 816 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,240 cart, and they're going to follow the safety guidelines and the age 817 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,200 guideline, and making 818 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,640 of course that it's street legal, um why 819 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,520 not? I mean, that's that's the good part 820 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,560 about when you legislate things, and 821 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,480 everyone else wants to do it. As long as 822 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,440 they follow the law, you know, 823 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,800 >> Yeah, I think I think the point is if 824 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,800 we're going to go down the road of 825 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,760 creating our own rules, I think we 826 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,680 should do it in a way that 827 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,800 Well, if every other person in the not 828 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,040 every other person, but if we saw a big 829 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,160 influx in golf in golf carts, does the 830 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,040 rule still make sense or not? I think 831 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:22,960 so. 832 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,600 But, it sounds like what I'm hearing is 833 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,960 that you guys are generally 834 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,680 interested in seeing what a hypothetical 835 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,520 rule could look like, 836 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,000 and then making a decision based on kind 837 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,520 of what we come back with. Does that 838 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:36,920 >> Yeah. 839 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,520 >> sound 840 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,960 >> Suggest the age. 841 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:39,280 >> Uh-huh. 842 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,560 >> That's all. Okay. 843 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,000 The only The only big concern, and 844 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,280 that's why I brought up the cars, is 845 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,080 that with a golf cart, you don't have to 846 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,480 have insurance unless you are made 847 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,040 street legal. 848 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,800 Um so, not only are is it just going 849 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,840 around, there's no requirement for a 850 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,040 golf cart to have 851 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,280 >> I don't I don't believe cities can 852 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,440 require insurance on golf carts. They're 853 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,320 state code designates classes of 854 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,720 vehicles and so you have 855 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:07,440 off-road vehicles are one class, 856 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,680 bicycles are a class, automobiles are a 857 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,720 class 858 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,280 and they define 859 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,560 golf carts as its own category. 860 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,040 >> Yeah. 861 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,880 >> And so I don't think the restrictions 862 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,640 that you could take up would not get 863 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:20,880 into 864 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,760 insurance requirements. It would just be 865 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,800 the age of the operator, whether they 866 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,280 can have passengers, at what hours can 867 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,800 they operate the vehicle, and on what 868 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,480 streets or facilities can they operate 869 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,400 the vehicle. That's it. You can You have 870 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,320 a lot of room for policy choices within 871 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,800 those categories, but those are the 872 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,040 things you can regulate. 873 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,040 >> Yeah, so exactly to my point. They don't 874 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,640 have any insurance if they crash into a 875 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,200 car. 876 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,360 So 877 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,760 >> I think the well the liability lies on 878 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,160 the parents at that point, right? And 879 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,520 that's where you have like an umbrella 880 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,000 policy as a parent or or liability 881 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,080 >> policy. Homeowners Those are under 882 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:57,680 homeowners. 883 00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,480 >> Yeah. 884 00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:59,880 >> So 885 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,880 >> All right, Dave, do you have enough to 886 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,880 go off of? 887 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,680 >> Yeah, Jamie and I'll work on a draft and 888 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,200 then the only question I have is does 889 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,440 that come back to the whole council or 890 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,680 does that go back to the committee? 891 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,520 >> committee first for like a first draft, 892 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,880 yeah. I think that makes sense. And then 893 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,160 I think where we start is I think we 894 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,920 just mimic St. George and and make some 895 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,920 adjustments that make sense for our 896 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:19,920 city. 897 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,280 And then I like the callout that we had 898 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,320 in the committee of 899 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,280 highlighting the roads where would be 900 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,200 allowed based on the rules and then that 901 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,080 can give us a good visual on 902 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,280 I think I remember who whose idea that 903 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,960 was, but that was a good idea. 904 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,960 >> Like 905 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,000 >> Okay. Yeah, I understand what you mean. 906 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,040 So 907 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,080 uh that'd be really good to see. So if 908 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,200 we can include that, I think that'd be 909 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,320 good. 910 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,150 >> Yeah, start with St. George. 911 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,400 » Perfect. That's all I got man. 912 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,320 >> Hey, great. Appreciate it. Joel? 913 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:48,880 >> Yeah. 914 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,280 >> Done. 915 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:50,640 >> Larry? 916 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,670 >> Nothing to report. 917 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,920 » Same with that, then we'll 918 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,320 uh look for a motion to adjourn. 919 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,520 >> So moved. 920 00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,640 >> Second. 921 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:00,840 >> All in favor say aye. 922 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,280 >> Aye.