[3:54] Mhm.
[11:34] » Mhm.
[17:47] » Thank you, Blair, for that prayer.
[17:50] We'll begin this evening with public
[17:51] comments. If you've got a public uh
[17:53] comment, we'd ask you to come up to the
[17:54] microphone and state your name and the
[17:56] city in which you reside. I'll allow you
[17:58] 3 minutes to speak, and please direct
[18:00] the entire
[18:02] council, and please be respectful. If
[18:04] you have a comment on either of the
[18:06] public hearing
[18:08] that uh we've got tonight, we would ask
[18:10] that you make your comments during those
[18:12] public hearings.
[18:17] » Paul Sturm, South Weber City.
[18:19] The comment I have tonight has to do
[18:22] with
[18:23] and it's sort of the formatting of the
[18:26] packet itself.
[18:27] The headers
[18:29] have been eliminated on every one of the
[18:32] action items. And when you're
[18:35] previewing the actual packet itself,
[18:37] it's a whole lot easier to see that
[18:39] you've changed topics
[18:41] if you had that header in place.
[18:43] And that's on pages 14, 15,
[18:46] 85, 99, and 107 in the packet tonight.
[18:51] It just makes it a whole lot easier to keep it straight when you're paging
[18:55] through it, and all of a sudden you see
[18:57] the header, and you know you've got a
[18:59] different topic.
[19:00] >> Right.
[19:01] >> Thank you.
[19:04] Paul.
[19:06] Anyone else?
[19:10] Okay, next item is to approve April
[19:13] 26th, 2026 minutes.
[19:16] Are there any adjustments or changes or
[19:20] discussion to the meeting minutes of
[19:23] April the 28th? If not, we'll look for a
[19:25] motion to approve that.
[19:28] >> May I make a motion to approve the April
[19:30] 28th, 2026 minutes?
[19:32] >> Second.
[19:34] >> All in favor, say I.
[19:35] >> I.
[19:37] » Okay, next item, public hearing. We're
[19:40] going to look for a motion to open
[19:42] public hearing for executive municipal
[19:44] officers' salary increases.
[19:47] >> I'll move.
[19:48] >> Second.
[19:50] >> Motion is seconded by Councilman
[19:51] Halverson.
[19:53] All in favor, say I.
[19:54] >> I.
[19:56] » Okay, public hearing is open. Anyone
[19:59] have any comments they would like to
[20:00] make?
[20:02] >> Mayor, prior to any comments, can I
[20:03] >> Oh, this is where you wanted to
[20:05] >> Can I say something?
[20:06] >> Yeah.
[20:06] one of the numbers on here, um the
[20:09] public works assistant director shows us
[20:10] 3.4%.
[20:12] Um that actually needs to be 6.8%.
[20:16] So, that's a difference than what than
[20:18] what the packet shows. And the reason
[20:21] for that is similar to the public works
[20:23] director position, the conversation has
[20:26] been to
[20:27] adjust the status of those positions to
[20:31] the FLSA exempt status. They are not
[20:34] currently, they are hourly. And the
[20:36] methodology um
[20:38] needed to be the same in both of those
[20:41] numbers, but but they were not. The 3.4%
[20:44] did not include that adjustment um
[20:48] to be FLSA exempt. And so, that's why
[20:50] that needs to be 6.8 instead of 3.4.
[20:54] >> Can I ask a clarifying question?
[20:55] >> You bet.
[20:56] >> Is the [clears throat]
[20:57] 6.8 already included in the budget and
[20:59] it's just a typo on this or
[21:02] was that also requiring an adjust
[21:04] adjustment on the budget itself?
[21:05] >> There will be a slight adjustment, um
[21:08] but it's not a major adjustment, no.
[21:10] >> Okay. Thank you.
[21:11] >> Yeah.
[21:13] >> Okay, thank you, Dave.
[21:16] Anyone else? Seeing no other ones, I
[21:18] look for a motion to close the public
[21:20] hearing.
[21:20] >> So moved.
[21:22] >> Second.
[21:24] >> All in favor, say I.
[21:25] >> I.
[21:27] >> You get the second from Joel.
[21:30] Okay, next item public hearing for
[21:31] fiscal year 2017 tentative budget with
[21:34] proposed property tax increase. Look for
[21:37] a motion to open this public hearing.
[21:39] >> So moved.
[21:41] >> Second.
[21:43] >> All in favor, say I.
[21:44] >> I.
[21:46] >> Okay, public hearing is open. Any other
[21:50] comments?
[21:52] Seeing none, we'll
[21:54] ask for a motion to close the public
[21:56] hearing.
[21:58] » So moved.
[22:00] >> Second.
[22:01] >> All in favor, say I.
[22:02] >> I.
[22:08] » Next item, resolution 26-17,
[22:11] uh North End Dispatch Agreement.
[22:16] Any discussion on this resolution?
[22:20] From the council?
[22:24] Okay, this
[22:25] >> Lisa, could we jump to that side, that
[22:27] portion?
[22:32] Eric, the rates and everything looked
[22:34] fairly similar, weren't they?
[22:41] » Our cost went up by just over $10,000,
[22:45] um and that's as how they've calculated
[22:47] bringing all the other agencies that
[22:49] aren't currently part of Layton Dispatch
[22:51] on board. Once they were able to
[22:52] calculate all all of those numbers,
[22:55] I think we're seeing about a $12,000
[22:57] increase over the prior year.
[23:03] » Yeah.
[23:15] » Okay, we'll look for a motion on this
[23:17] then.
[23:19] >> Mayor, move to approve resolution 26-17
[23:22] as written.
[23:23] >> Okay, we have a motion.
[23:24] >> Second.
[23:25] >> We have a second by Councilman
[23:26] Halverson.
[23:27] Do a roll call vote starting with
[23:29] Councilman Windsor.
[23:30] >> I.
[23:33] >> Okay, motion carries.
[23:35] I forgot to excuse Councilwoman Petty.
[23:38] She's
[23:39] uh out of town and asked to be excused,
[23:41] so.
[23:44] Next item.
[23:46] Uh
[23:47] resolution 26-18 emergency medical
[23:50] service director contract with Summer
[23:52] Grace LLC.
[23:55] Any discussion on this resolution?
[24:04] He's been doing this for quite some time
[24:06] for us.
[24:07] >> I I agree with the background memo. It's
[24:09] been It's been a good job and a and a
[24:12] very, very reasonable price.
[24:15] >> I agree.
[24:16] >> Totally.
[24:17] >> Okay, we'll look for a motion on this.
[24:19] >> Mayor, move to approve resolution 26-18
[24:22] emergency medical services director
[24:24] contract with Summer Grace LLC.
[24:27] >> Second.
[24:28] >> We have a motion Councilman Halverson.
[24:30] Do a roll call vote starting with
[24:32] Councilman Halverson.
[24:33] >> I.
[24:38] » Okay, motion carries. Thanks.
[24:41] Next, uh
[24:42] we need to move into a board
[24:44] uh meetings. We'll ask uh to suspend a
[24:47] motion to suspend uh council. I move
[24:50] convict
[24:51] >> Yeah, we got the got the insurance. Is
[24:54] that not on your
[24:56] >> No, I've had that one.
[24:57] >> There you go. That 2619 is all right.
[25:00] >> a minute. Is that
[25:01] >> Yeah, that's the bond revenue.
[25:03] >> Mhm.
[25:05] It's not on my
[25:06] Okay. Excuse me.
[25:08] We won't go into board meeting just yet.
[25:12] Uh resolution
[25:14] 26
[25:15] -19 authorizing
[25:18] the issuance of a lease
[25:21] revenue bond
[25:23] by the local building authority of the
[25:25] city.
[25:29] Can we Do we want to do that now, Dave?
[25:31] Do we want to do the board before we do
[25:33] that?
[25:33] >> I'll city first.
[25:35] >> City first?
[25:36] >> Yeah.
[25:37] >> Okay.
[25:40] Any discussion on that?
[25:46] Not, then we'll look for a
[25:47] >> Does everybody
[25:49] understand what all that is?
[25:52] >> I thought I did.
[25:52] >> Yeah.
[25:53] >> So, where we're I mean, just we we would
[25:55] narrow down to two in the last
[25:58] finance meeting.
[25:59] >> Yep.
[25:59] >> And uh that's what we were going back
[26:01] with, and that's why Zion is here. But,
[26:03] it is a good savings.
[26:06] >> Yep.
[26:07] >> Okay.
[26:08] >> You can keep
[26:09] >> We'll look for a motion.
[26:10] >> Yeah. You got another one?
[26:12] >> Here, approve make a motion to approve
[26:14] resolution 26-19 authorizing the
[26:16] issuance of lease revenue bonds by the
[26:19] local building authority of the city.
[26:21] >> Second.
[26:22] >> Okay, we have a motion that's seconded
[26:24] by Councilman Iverson. We'll do roll
[26:26] call with Councilman Windsor.
[26:27] >> Aye.
[26:31] >> Okay, motion carries. Appreciate that.
[26:34] Okay, now we'll
[26:37] look to a motion to suspend council and
[26:40] move into
[26:41] to our board meetings.
[26:43] >> I'll make a motion to suspend our
[26:44] council meeting to move into the RDA and
[26:46] LBA board meetings.
[26:48] >> Second.
[26:50] >> Okay, we have a motion that's seconded
[26:51] by Councilman Davis.
[26:54] All in favor say I.
[26:59] Okay, we're now in our board meeting.
[27:02] The development agency board meeting.
[27:04] We'll begin with
[27:06] the one item here.
[27:08] Uh public hearing for RDA
[27:11] fiscal year 2027 tentative budget.
[27:16] For a motion to open the public hearing.
[27:20] >> So moved.
[27:23] » Have a second?
[27:24] >> Second.
[27:26] >> Motion and a second. All in favor say I.
[27:28] >> I.
[27:30] >> Okay, board meeting public hearing is
[27:33] now open. Anyone have any comments
[27:36] they'd like to make?
[27:38] Seeing none, we'll ask for a motion to
[27:41] close the public hearing.
[27:44] >> So moved.
[27:45] >> Second.
[27:47] >> All in favor say I.
[27:48] >> I.
[27:52] » Okay, we'll adjourn from RDA and we'll
[27:55] convene to our building authority
[27:58] board meeting.
[28:00] Look for a motion to do this, so.
[28:02] >> So moved.
[28:03] >> Second.
[28:05] >> All in favor say I.
[28:06] >> I.
[28:10] » Okay, local board authority board
[28:12] meeting.
[28:14] Have an item to have a public hearing.
[28:16] We'll look for a motion to open public
[28:18] hearing for LBA fiscal year 20
[28:21] 27 tentative budget.
[28:24] >> So moved.
[28:26] >> Second.
[28:27] >> All in favor say I.
[28:28] >> I.
[28:30] >> Okay, this public hearing is open.
[28:34] Anyone like to make any comments?
[28:36] >> We got plenty of opportunity.
[28:40] » [laughter]
[28:42] » Seeing none, we'll ask for a motion to
[28:45] close this public hearing.
[28:46] >> Motion to close.
[28:47] >> Second.
[28:48] >> All in favor say I.
[28:49] >> I.
[28:52] » Next item on the agenda is LBA
[28:54] resolution 26-02 authorizing the
[28:57] insurance of
[28:58] the issuance of
[29:00] lease revenue bond by the authority.
[29:04] Any discussion on this?
[29:11] » Chairman, I'll make a motion to approve
[29:12] LBA resolution 2602 authorizing the
[29:15] issuance of lease revenue bonds by the
[29:17] authority.
[29:19] >> Seconded.
[29:20] by Councilman Davis.
[29:23] Do a roll call call vote starting with
[29:26] board member Halverson.
[29:28] >> I.
[29:36] » Okay, thank you. Motion approves. I look
[29:40] for a motion to adjourn and reconvene
[29:43] back to city council.
[29:45] >> So moved.
[29:46] >> Seconded.
[29:47] >> All in favor say I.
[29:49] >> I.
[29:52] » We are back.
[29:54] We're not I guess we're not getting all
[29:56] that for
[30:00] » [laughter]
[30:02] >> Thank you very much. We appreciate your
[30:03] work on this. It's going to save us some money. It's going to be
[30:08] great.
[30:14] Okay.
[30:19] Councilman Davis.
[30:20] >> And I second it.
[30:24] One Michelle.
[30:25] >> New business. Dave, if you got any new
[30:27] business you'd like to bring up?
[30:30] >> I have a couple things to report but no
[30:32] new business.
[30:33] >> Okay.
[30:34] Give us your report.
[30:36] >> Uh we have finalized the date for the
[30:40] public works open house for the public.
[30:42] We will begin publishing that tomorrow
[30:44] morning. We are doing an open house from
[30:48] 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. on Wednesday,
[30:50] June 3rd. So, a week from tomorrow.
[30:54] And
[30:55] it will be a self-guided tour, but we'll
[30:57] have staff members there to assist and
[31:00] answer questions and and talk about the
[31:02] project for people that
[31:04] want to ask questions or whatnot, but
[31:07] it should be a a pretty exciting time
[31:09] and opportunity for the public who's
[31:11] wanted to go through the building and
[31:12] see it to to see it.
[31:14] >> So, you know, that'll be good.
[31:15] >> Relating to people knowing
[31:18] » Uh we're planning on sending out an
[31:20] email, sending out through social media.
[31:22] We'll put it on the digital sign and
[31:25] try to publish that the ways that we
[31:27] normally do. If there are other ways
[31:28] that you would like us to or not to do whatever you'd like.
[31:35] Um public notices, we could do it as a
[31:37] public notice.
[31:39] Yeah.
[31:42] We don't typically do events as a public
[31:44] notice like that, but
[31:47] we could potentially do that.
[31:49] >> Can we do that?
[31:51] >> Um
[31:51] >> It's not a public body.
[31:54] It's not a public hearing.
[31:56] >> Yeah, so the the notice website's
[31:58] reserved for
[32:00] meetings of public bodies and there's
[32:02] not no public bodies meeting or acting.
[32:04] So, I think it's probably best just
[32:06] through social media channels and the
[32:08] city's website.
[32:10] >> Okay.
[32:12] Thanks for that clarification.
[32:14] >> Appreciate that. One quick note, do you
[32:16] think that they could get rid of the
[32:17] weeds at the front of the building
[32:18] before the open house?
[32:20] >> We'll do what we can.
[32:24] » Have we Have we had a meeting with
[32:25] Valley Design at all?
[32:27] >> No.
[32:28] I haven't.
[32:29] >> We have not.
[32:30] >> There's been a No, there's been a couple
[32:32] of exchanges on on some items that need
[32:34] attention, but not a true meeting, no.
[32:42] The other thing that I wanted to uh
[32:44] report on is just a shout-out to the
[32:46] fire department. Uh there have been
[32:49] necessary response for multiple fires
[32:51] over the last few weeks, and and they
[32:54] have proved themselves again and again,
[32:55] and just really want to recognize that
[32:58] um
[32:59] they they just keep proving themselves
[33:01] to the city that they're really good at
[33:02] what they do in protecting us, and um
[33:04] these fires have started for different
[33:06] reasons, but most of them have included
[33:08] an intentional, you know, ignition, and
[33:11] uh and so we need to talk about that
[33:13] maybe on a broader scale, but they've
[33:15] responded uh quickly and and limited
[33:17] damage in uh in really significant ways.
[33:20] Um could have been a lot worse, so
[33:21] shout-out to them.
[33:24] >> Okay. Anything else, Dave?
[33:26] >> Not for me.
[33:28] >> Okay, Council. Do you have any
[33:31] items
[33:32] to committee reports, anyone have?
[33:35] Wayne Adamson, you
[33:36] >> Uh we could probably give an update to
[33:37] the progress uh
[33:39] with the train clubs that uh we've
[33:41] reached out to them.
[33:43] Uh actually, they reached out to us with
[33:44] some questions about uh
[33:47] um moving forward in some of the
[33:48] insurance items, which we responded to
[33:49] within 24 hours.
[33:51] We then uh reminded them that the
[33:54] insurance items were separate apart from
[33:57] the 60 days in which to negotiate a
[33:59] contract. They're now 30 days in. We've
[34:01] still not had them reach out to us to
[34:03] set a date to begin negotiations. Um
[34:07] staff has been asked to maybe write a
[34:09] letter to them reminding them that uh
[34:12] they have until June 30th to uh have a
[34:15] negotiated agreement to be brought
[34:16] before the council before the council
[34:18] considers terminating their current
[34:19] agreement.
[34:20] Um so, we stand ready to begin
[34:23] negotiations, but the Boles on Air Court
[34:25] uh we have not received sir from them.
[34:31] » Thanks for staying on top that.
[34:33] >> We all admire him.
[34:36] >> Has he stepped down? What's his What's
[34:38] his name? Did you guys think that?
[34:40] >> Parker.
[34:40] >> Yeah, he did step down.
[34:43] >> Okay.
[34:45] Mr. Chairman.
[34:46] >> Yeah, we had a safety committee today.
[34:48] It was uh
[34:50] a lot of fun. We had some good
[34:51] interaction in there.
[34:53] Um
[34:54] but uh uh Dave kind of stole a little
[34:57] bit of thunder calling out uh the recent
[34:59] fires
[35:01] uh there but that's all right. I'll
[35:04] forgive you this time. No, I'm just
[35:05] kidding.
[35:06] You can totally find it.
[35:08] Um but yeah, I I agree with what he
[35:10] said. Um
[35:11] you know, we our responses those are are
[35:14] quick. It always reminds me of the
[35:17] maybe some of the naysayers in the city
[35:18] are like, "Well, why do we need a fire
[35:20] a full-time fire team all the time?" And
[35:23] it's like, "Well, it doesn't matter
[35:24] until it does or until your house is the
[35:26] one that's on fire and
[35:28] there's a 15-minute delay instead of a
[35:29] 2-minute delay and now your house is
[35:31] burned down to the ground and you're sad. So
[35:35] um
[35:37] that's what goes through my head my
[35:38] mind. Am I Am I the only one that thinks
[35:40] that way?
[35:40] >> No, I agree. I just like that and you're sad.
[35:43] >> [laughter]
[35:45] » So
[35:47] uh so thank you Derek and and thank you
[35:49] to your entire team for being as
[35:51] vigilant as you guys are. We appreciate
[35:52] it.
[35:54] Um oh my gosh, my mind just went blank.
[35:56] Give me a second.
[35:57] Um we also did bring up the requested
[36:01] conversation around e-bikes and golf
[36:03] carts. So I'll just kind of
[36:06] um give you kind of a high-level review
[36:09] and then I'll let Wayne and the mayor
[36:10] and David keep me honest if I'm if I go
[36:12] off track here but
[36:14] Um all right, so a couple things to
[36:16] break down here. When it comes to
[36:18] e-bikes, e-scooters, uh according to
[36:20] state law, those are considered
[36:21] bicycles. There's no way around that. So
[36:24] basically all rules with and it seems
[36:28] like there's some additional rules that
[36:30] come with e-bikes like if they are
[36:31] modified etc. That came up.
[36:34] Um so long as they're following the
[36:36] standard bicycle rules of the road then
[36:38] they're 100% allowed and that goes for
[36:41] all like
[36:42] one-wheeled, two-wheeled
[36:45] bikes, e-bikes, whatever you want to
[36:47] call them. Is that the gist of it? Is
[36:48] that correct?
[36:49] Okay.
[36:50] I'm getting the nod from Jamie. So um
[36:53] So I know there were some concerns there
[36:55] but there's not really anything we can
[36:56] do on that one unless the state decides
[36:58] to throw down some some new regulations
[37:01] in regards to that. So that's that's
[37:03] where we stand on the e-bike uh
[37:05] conversation. In regards to
[37:07] four-wheelers and ATVs, uh
[37:09] we don't have really any flexibility
[37:11] there or very little flexibility to
[37:13] where it's not really flexible.
[37:16] So the standard uh rules of the road are
[37:19] you have to be 16 and your vehicle needs
[37:20] to be street worthy otherwise it
[37:22] shouldn't happen and expect to get a
[37:24] ticket from the sheriff's office um when
[37:26] they pull you over.
[37:27] >> License.
[37:29] >> And they have to be licensed, yes.
[37:31] Um and then the big one that was that
[37:34] one of the one I think is the big one is
[37:36] the golf cart discussion. So this one is
[37:38] interesting. So we have a lot of
[37:39] flexibility in what we want to do with
[37:41] golf carts in the city.
[37:43] Um but the general consensus uh from the
[37:46] committee was that um to make sure that
[37:49] we don't uh go too far with the
[37:52] approvals and the allowance of the use
[37:55] of golf carts.
[37:57] That if we start to put restrictions on
[37:59] what we think would make the most sense
[38:00] from a safety perspective that the
[38:01] restrictions would be so much that you
[38:03] couldn't really use golf carts outside
[38:05] of your own little pocket of the
[38:07] neighborhood.
[38:08] Um
[38:09] However,
[38:10] um if if there's enough um
[38:14] If there's enough desire to start
[38:17] carving out little pockets on where they
[38:19] can be allowed and and what and how old
[38:22] we want people to be to be able to drive
[38:24] them, etc.
[38:26] Then we could draft something
[38:29] together to see if anybody would even want to go down that route,
[38:33] but before we had staff even go down
[38:35] that route, I was
[38:37] or we were curious and it's too bad
[38:38] Angie's in here cuz I'm sure she'd have
[38:40] a very strong opinion on this one, but
[38:43] uh we were just curious if we wanted to
[38:45] even go there or do we just stick with
[38:49] state code and and leave it at those
[38:51] restrictions or if if anybody felt
[38:54] >> What one is the state code?
[38:55] >> Yeah, that's what I was going to ask
[38:56] you. Yeah, so state code is basically
[38:59] um
[39:01] Yeah, basically you can.
[39:02] >> Basically no golf carts.
[39:03] >> Yeah, yeah no golf carts.
[39:06] So
[39:08] um the option would be to follow or
[39:10] mimic something like what St. George
[39:12] Vineyard was another example that I I
[39:14] didn't quite like Vineyards. I think St.
[39:16] George would be
[39:17] a better one to mimic ours off of if we
[39:19] wanted
[39:20] >> to start somewhere.
[39:22] >> Uh but again, the restrictions that they
[39:23] have is basically not allowed on any
[39:26] road that's over 25 mph
[39:28] and which means you're you're not
[39:30] crossing South Weber Drive, which means
[39:32] like I said, because of the way our
[39:34] city's designed,
[39:35] if we allow them, they're going to be so
[39:37] boxed in that almost
[39:39] what's the point of allowing them? So
[39:42] that we could carve out exceptions.
[39:44] That's definitely a part of what St.
[39:46] George does as well. They carved out
[39:47] certain exceptions like oh go on on this
[39:49] section of this road, it's allowed, but
[39:51] nowhere else on that road.
[39:53] >> Wasn't but wasn't one of the requests
[39:56] and I could be totally wrong because
[39:58] obviously a golf cart doesn't go 40 so
[40:00] not down South Weber Drive unless it's a
[40:02] modified golf cart.
[40:03] >> Right.
[40:04] >> Um
[40:05] wasn't the request from an individual to
[40:08] allow them on the sidewalk?
[40:11] >> Yeah, so we were pretty uniformly
[40:13] against the sidewalk idea.
[40:14] >> Nobody Nobody
[40:15] >> I I agree with that. That's why I was
[40:16] just curious if that if I remember the
[40:18] request
[40:19] >> it into the code if you so wish, but I I
[40:22] think that would be a horrible option
[40:24] personally.
[40:25] >> Otherwise, to me it
[40:27] I mean
[40:28] >> [clears throat]
[40:28] >> Yeah, I don't I don't think they should
[40:29] be running down South River Drive all
[40:31] the time.
[40:32] >> Right.
[40:32] >> Well
[40:33] >> That was generally the consensus is that
[40:36] we didn't want them operating on South
[40:38] River Drive. Now, the the one call out
[40:41] was, "Well, what about between 2100 and
[40:44] 89 you have an extra extra wide
[40:48] shoulder.
[40:50] And if somebody if if we would be
[40:52] comfortable with that, I think
[40:54] I'm kind of 50/50 on that one, but
[40:56] everybody else was was almost like a
[40:58] hard pass on that one. So
[41:00] >> I'm everyone else so
[41:01] >> Okay, there's only two of us so
[41:04] >> [laughter]
[41:05] >> I'm everyone.
[41:10] » So, I think
[41:11] >> I'm I'm okay with allowing them anywhere
[41:12] but under 30 or 25, but that's that's
[41:16] restricted. I mean, that would be a just
[41:17] a blanket thing across this
[41:19] but that's just something people would
[41:21] have to learn.
[41:22] >> Yeah.
[41:22] >> I mean, cuz there's a lot that go
[41:24] around. I mean, there's
[41:26] 10 or 12 that go around my neighborhood
[41:28] all the time.
[41:29] >> Yeah.
[41:29] >> I mean whether they're adult I mean, a
[41:31] lot of them are adults driving them.
[41:33] >> Yeah.
[41:33] >> So, I mean, that's totally I'll leave
[41:35] that up to the committee for
[41:36] recommendation.
[41:37] >> understand why St. George had them
[41:38] starting in January. You know, with all
[41:40] the golf courses down there and uh
[41:43] the tenured
[41:45] uh people who live down there um that's
[41:47] probably their mode of transportation.
[41:49] Uh it made sense to have some sort of um
[41:51] additional requirements to what the
[41:52] state had to allow certain things like
[41:54] that cuz people own um the golf carts.
[41:57] As Jeremy was saying here, if if we're
[42:00] you know, one the age of the driver was
[42:03] part of the restrictions in the code. Um
[42:05] 16 and above. Um and then the speed
[42:08] limit. If you putting them on roads that
[42:09] are above 35 mph
[42:12] who's who's at risk? You know, you got a
[42:14] semi, you know, you can't control things
[42:16] that are going down South Liver Drive.
[42:17] You get an 18-wheeler or even a big dump
[42:19] truck coming down there and uh it just
[42:22] it makes for a very uncomfortable
[42:23] situation. Uh
[42:25] and then one of the destinations,
[42:27] you know, the golf course, where people
[42:28] want to go, you know, maybe they go to
[42:30] the elementary school, maybe the rec
[42:31] center, Maverick, uh see or the other.
[42:34] So, these are where people go. Those
[42:35] seem to be the areas that people may
[42:37] want to go to do the candy run or
[42:39] whatever you want to do, but how do you
[42:41] going to get there if you list if it's
[42:43] 25 30 [clears throat] miles an hour or
[42:45] less or 25 miles an hour or less?
[42:46] There's no route to get there. So, now
[42:48] it's like, okay, are are you setting
[42:50] them up to, you know, just jet across
[42:52] the the Frontage Road or just jet across
[42:54] South Liver Drive and now
[42:56] yeah, they're adults or near adults and
[42:58] they got to make decisions, but
[43:00] yeah, at what point do you people want
[43:01] to push that limit? So, the question
[43:03] became, do we want staff to move forward
[43:04] and put something together like that
[43:06] knowing it's going to be,
[43:08] you know,
[43:09] blocky? I guess was the was the
[43:11] terminology that was used. Uh or do we
[43:13] say, you know, by all that effort, it's really not worth having, so why
[43:17] spend the time? That was kind of this question we wanted to ask
[43:20] the council.
[43:21] >> Yeah.
[43:22] >> Do you think Do you know what the state
[43:24] code is for drivers 16 and above?
[43:28] Or is it absolutely no one?
[43:30] >> No golf carts on public
[43:31] >> No golf
[43:31] >> Yeah.
[43:33] >> I thought we couldn't supersede state
[43:35] law.
[43:40] » You're not. State law establishes a
[43:42] default rule.
[43:43] And so, the default is no golf carts,
[43:46] and then there's space for cities to
[43:48] allow them.
[43:49] And it points out the different
[43:53] elements of the use of a golf cart that
[43:55] a city can restrict. So, you can
[43:57] restrict the age of the driver,
[43:59] the locations where golf carts can be
[44:02] driven,
[44:03] the speeds of the locations where they
[44:06] can be driven and then
[44:08] um whether they can allow passengers in
[44:11] the golf cart or not.
[44:14] >> Well, I would just say that if I I would
[44:16] prefer
[44:17] um instead of just letting it go
[44:20] willy-nilly, that we do have staff
[44:23] um sit down put together age
[44:26] um
[44:27] just thinking through it here, I know I
[44:30] can make it from all the way over from
[44:33] Maverick um to
[44:36] um at least the school and now beyond it
[44:39] going a little bit further. So, I think
[44:42] you're right. As long as we're looking
[44:43] at, okay, is the real question
[44:46] are we looking for
[44:49] two or three people that want to be able
[44:50] to cross the overpass
[44:53] to get to Maverick
[44:55] or are we talking about we've got just
[44:58] so much demand that everybody else wants
[45:00] to be able to drive their golf carts up
[45:02] and down the roads constantly?
[45:04] >> Yeah, that that
[45:05] I get them on my road and every time
[45:09] it's underage kids.
[45:11] Every time they are hanging on to the
[45:14] sides.
[45:15] Um they're not driving it responsibly.
[45:17] They're driving it as if they're having
[45:18] fun.
[45:19] Um and if they're going to do that,
[45:23] that's one thing, but as soon as it
[45:24] starts endangering other people,
[45:27] then I think we do have to step in and
[45:29] say, "Okay, um
[45:31] if it's going to cause damage to
[45:33] vehicles that are around there,
[45:34] um then it shouldn't just be a free pass
[45:36] for them to go."
[45:38] But, if we get it to an age of you know,
[45:40] 16, then
[45:41] yeah, if you can drive a car or you can
[45:43] drive a a motorcycle or a four-wheeler,
[45:45] yeah, you should be able to drive a golf
[45:47] cart any place if that's what you really
[45:49] want to do. Uh like you said, they don't
[45:51] really go fast, so
[45:53] if I'm 16, if I can have a four-wheeler
[45:54] or a golf cart, I'm definitely going
[45:56] with a four-wheeler.
[46:00] Oh, I would, too. All you have to do is
[46:01] increase the
[46:02] and that's going to increase the amount
[46:03] of
[46:04] >> [laughter]
[46:04] >> golf carts
[46:05] >> So, so one one of the things that came
[46:07] up is I think it was
[46:09] St. George example is that as soon as
[46:12] they instituted the rule, they saw a big
[46:15] influx in golf carts. So, that was
[46:18] something that was just an interesting
[46:21] fact. I'm not sure if that would hold
[46:22] true everywhere. You would As soon as
[46:24] you announce that golf carts are now
[46:25] allowed, are you going to see a bunch of
[46:27] people buying golf carts to where now
[46:29] it's a
[46:30] more popular thing to do than it once
[46:32] was? I don't know.
[46:33] >> And it sounds like anecdotal evidence
[46:35] cuz unless they're writing a lot more
[46:37] tickets, which they wouldn't be, but
[46:39] again, going back to almost your point,
[46:41] if we're going to give them the freedom
[46:44] to do it, and we set the age,
[46:47] then why not? If we want to have, you
[46:49] know, everybody wants to buy a golf
[46:51] cart, and they're going to follow the safety guidelines and the age
[46:54] guideline, and making
[46:56] of course that it's street legal, um why
[46:58] not? I mean, that's that's the good part
[47:00] about when you legislate things, and
[47:02] everyone else wants to do it. As long as
[47:04] they follow the law, you know,
[47:06] >> Yeah, I think I think the point is if
[47:08] we're going to go down the road of
[47:09] creating our own rules, I think we
[47:11] should do it in a way that
[47:13] Well, if every other person in the not
[47:15] every other person, but if we saw a big
[47:18] influx in golf in golf carts, does the
[47:20] rule still make sense or not? I think
[47:22] so.
[47:22] But, it sounds like what I'm hearing is
[47:24] that you guys are generally
[47:26] interested in seeing what a hypothetical
[47:29] rule could look like,
[47:31] and then making a decision based on kind
[47:35] of what we come back with. Does that
[47:36] >> Yeah.
[47:36] >> sound
[47:37] >> Suggest the age.
[47:38] >> Uh-huh.
[47:39] >> That's all. Okay.
[47:41] The only The only big concern, and
[47:43] that's why I brought up the cars, is
[47:44] that with a golf cart, you don't have to
[47:46] have insurance unless you are made
[47:48] street legal.
[47:50] Um so, not only are is it just going
[47:52] around, there's no requirement for a
[47:54] golf cart to have
[47:56] >> I don't I don't believe cities can
[47:58] require insurance on golf carts. They're
[48:01] state code designates classes of
[48:03] vehicles and so you have
[48:05] off-road vehicles are one class,
[48:07] bicycles are a class, automobiles are a
[48:09] class
[48:10] and they define
[48:12] golf carts as its own category.
[48:14] >> Yeah.
[48:15] >> And so I don't think the restrictions
[48:17] that you could take up would not get
[48:19] into
[48:20] insurance requirements. It would just be
[48:23] the age of the operator, whether they
[48:25] can have passengers, at what hours can
[48:28] they operate the vehicle, and on what
[48:30] streets or facilities can they operate
[48:33] the vehicle. That's it. You can You have
[48:36] a lot of room for policy choices within
[48:38] those categories, but those are the
[48:39] things you can regulate.
[48:41] >> Yeah, so exactly to my point. They don't
[48:44] have any insurance if they crash into a
[48:45] car.
[48:47] So
[48:48] >> I think the well the liability lies on
[48:49] the parents at that point, right? And
[48:51] that's where you have like an umbrella
[48:52] policy as a parent or or liability
[48:55] >> policy. Homeowners Those are under
[48:57] homeowners.
[48:57] >> Yeah.
[48:59] >> So
[48:59] >> All right, Dave, do you have enough to
[49:01] go off of?
[49:02] >> Yeah, Jamie and I'll work on a draft and
[49:05] then the only question I have is does
[49:07] that come back to the whole council or
[49:09] does that go back to the committee?
[49:10] >> committee first for like a first draft,
[49:12] yeah. I think that makes sense. And then
[49:14] I think where we start is I think we
[49:16] just mimic St. George and and make some
[49:17] adjustments that make sense for our
[49:18] city.
[49:19] And then I like the callout that we had
[49:21] in the committee of
[49:23] highlighting the roads where would be
[49:25] allowed based on the rules and then that
[49:27] can give us a good visual on
[49:30] I think I remember who whose idea that
[49:31] was, but that was a good idea.
[49:32] >> Like
[49:33] >> Okay. Yeah, I understand what you mean.
[49:35] So
[49:36] uh that'd be really good to see. So if
[49:38] we can include that, I think that'd be
[49:39] good.
[49:40] >> Yeah, start with St. George.
[49:45] » Perfect. That's all I got man.
[49:46] >> Hey, great. Appreciate it. Joel?
[49:48] >> Yeah.
[49:48] >> Done.
[49:50] >> Larry?
[49:50] >> Nothing to report.
[49:53] » Same with that, then we'll
[49:55] uh look for a motion to adjourn.
[49:57] >> So moved.
[49:58] >> Second.
[49:59] >> All in favor say aye.
[50:00] >> Aye.