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started uh Tuesday, June the 9, 2026.

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work uh session tonight and discuss the

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general plan. Uh so

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with that, we need to every five or so

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years need to review the general plan if

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whatever we feel we may need to do or

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do anything to our agenda, which is

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fine, but we need to review it. And so

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that's why we're having this meeting

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this evening. And uh still with that in

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meeting any comments from visitors

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with that being said Dave is going to

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lead us in this discussion so we'll turn

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the time to our city manager Dave

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>> Hey, how's that?

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>> Thanks, Mayor. the uh the kickoff from staff is that uh when

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updates to the general plan uh this

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February, we discussed the the timing

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need a full update process similar to

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what we did in 2020, but there might be

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a better idea to do targeted amendments.

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idea of amending specific areas. And in

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order to kick that off and have the

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planning commission and the city council

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all in the same room to talk about kind

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of the scoping of those amendments and

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uh and what that target really means

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that look like? What is the scope? So

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tonight, the hope is to wrap our arms

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around what that scope is um

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planning commission and the city

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council. And then from there the

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planning commission will meet and uh

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discuss recommendations and eventually

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uh provide a recommended amendment list

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review. So um that's the the general

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overview and um staff is here to just

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council would like to scope the project.

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So, let's begin the discussion.

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» I think the thing that kicked us off

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still make sense based on how we came to

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consensus five or six years ago now?

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everybody? I would agree because the

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cloud areas we want to talk about it I

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think because we were all waiting on

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development and development is not

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funny. So getting that nailed down so

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that there's not that question mark

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lingering because I think most of us in

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this room were either there as part

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citizens or city council or planning

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commission. So for the minutes purpose

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won't go away.

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How many other cross will go away?

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zoning map that you can pull up on

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mouse on your XL box at the bottom. You

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>> that should work.

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» Do we think it'll work?

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the commercial area. Is there any

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changes any tweaks that anyone feels

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like we need to make in commercial

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meeting at which we're going to kind of

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go over what we want you guys to really

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look at and make decisions on?

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>> Just scoping it. Scoping it to what we

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of fine-tune um that we've been

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discussing Old War Road Bubble Cloud.

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area that is south of Maverick

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2750, I think, is the road where it's

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still there's a commercial zone and then

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there's a residential zone, but it's

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kind of on the same parcel.

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thoughts on where they're wanting that

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>> Current zoning fit the projected land.

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commercial highway, but the southern

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it. We don't. Well, in essence, we've

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at it. That area has changed and we know

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some of the things that are coming in

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for us to look at um because it may be

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better as just straight residential

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right now. Um, but that's going to be a

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hard place to put it and see what goes

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in. Um but commercial going up that way.

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wash there and it's doing fine. Um and

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it is a very visible location from the

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freeway. So I think there's an argument

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for both whether it's commercial,

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residential, or a mixed use. Um I would

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look at it and see what they think would

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go best there and what they would

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recommend. prime suspect for putting in

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the scope for sure. Yeah, because I mean

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it that area right there has changed

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quite a bit. Um and it's going to change

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east or no west side. There's a house

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that I I kind of feel like a residential

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buffer still needs to somewhat be there

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residential buffer, but

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residential area. I'm just making stuff

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up right now. Um but then we need to go

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towards commercial areas to act as more

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of a buffer. But just from seeing what

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this and we can move that and um I would

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just make sure that the general plan,

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which isn't that specific, talks about

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making sure all of our

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buffer zones are

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protected and some ideas on what needs

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that in code. Have we ever had anything

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come up kind of going along South River

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Drive opposite of where the pits are?

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Those two red commercial zones, I

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believe they're both city owned, the one

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right at the bottom. Has anything ever

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been presented for those? Cuz they're

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still zoned agricultural, correct?

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>> We have

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agriculture

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for everyone to do the mult.

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» Okay.

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like apartments, more apartments.

290
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>> Back to the piece that we were just

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discussing, we did have someone come in

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last Dave, do you want to help?

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>> Yeah. With the idea of uh people looking

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at that area right on 2700 East, another

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uh potential types of project that was

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presented uh was a hotel.

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So as we talked about different ideas

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that have presented on that and that's

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the latest idea that has been talked

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about. So they wanted a hotel right

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across from where the apartments are at

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>> right next to the car.

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» There's no way with parking.

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» Depends on how they go.

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» Would we have a hotel that close to us?

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>> I don't think our code would.

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>> I don't think our code says.

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>> Yeah. And our code doesn't say, then

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maybe we need our code to designate how

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we protect the school zones.

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>> It's it's three acres. It's probably big

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enough.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And this is this is kind of why I was

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bringing it up originally was that a lot

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of this has changed so much. And um and

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just because it was personal, if we look

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down at the bottom of 2100 where uh I

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live and drive every day, we have that

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big open corner lot that has been

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everything from a Unitarian church to,

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you know, neighbors um four-wheeler

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park, but that one is currently mental

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highway, which means the same things

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we're talking about canary. So I guess

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part of the question that I have for the

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planning commission is as we come into

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the city really what do we want that to

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be? How far do we want to take the

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commercial? Because we can take

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commercial all the way, you know, over

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to the S-curve, but is that what we want to do? I mean, we do have

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the high winds. We have those kind of

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areas. We've got some good retail, not

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retail, but commercial that has already

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come in and doing well. um and some that

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are slowly growing.

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We know we need more retail for um the

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tax burden to be moved from the citizens

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over to you know commercial base.

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I think it'd be real good for you guys

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to take a look at that and just really

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decide what are the entrance ways. And

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that means same thing over there 475

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although much more limited. We only have

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a a few spots but at the same time if it

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is a

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if that becomes a productive spot real

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quick because general RV just takes off.

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Um there's people that would quickly buy

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um couple of areas if they thought that

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they would be able to take down the

353
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homes and put in commercial there.

354
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>> Yeah.

355
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>> Um I think channel RV for what would do

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it just

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>> option right now for removing houses to

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put in

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>> all it takes is changing the zone.

360
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Right.

361
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>> True. So, so from a scoping standpoint,

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what I'm hitting is the idea presented

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of looking at commercial at the

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entryways or more broadly speaking, look

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at the entryways to the city uh as part

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of the scope, the areas of scope. Look

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at the entries to the city. Is that fair

368
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to say?

369
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>> Reflection.

370
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>> Yeah.

371
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>> I think the other thing that we need to

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pull out is that I don't know if there's

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ever been anybody been any interest in a

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hotel actually being built in our city.

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So maybe we need to look at removing

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that as an option in code. So that is

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>> it would have to come through city

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council an exception in order to be

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approved. That might be

380
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>> that's the thing is that they don't if

381
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it's not in our city um code zoning code

382
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we can still do it. It just means it's

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not an automatic pass through

384
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>> right

385
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>> and even uh if it's an unconditional use

386
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if we don't have enough to go against it

387
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can still go right there. So, um, yeah,

388
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I I agree with you. Absolutely.

389
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>> Sure. I would add that to as part of the

390
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takeway is review what's allowed in the

391
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commercial zone and recommend things

392
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that maybe we we would never want in the

393
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city that we are allowed to take out

394
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because I think when Trevor was here,

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there were a couple of callouts that he

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said we had to include some kind of call

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out for adult businesses or something

398
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like that.

399
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>> It was really weird. But they're part

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Jamie could speak to that maybe.

401
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>> Yeah. So they're what I would call vice

402
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industries. So

403
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>> marijuana dispensaries,

404
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sexually oriented businesses. The rule

405
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under state laws if you don't

406
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somewhere then you cannot exclude them

407
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anywhere. So you have to pick somewhere

408
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in the in the city that

409
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where those things would be located

410
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because if you don't do it, you can't

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prohibit it. So that's kind that's sort

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of how it works. And it always it always

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feels a little weird to city councils to

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say we're going to zone for this thing

415
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that we hope never happens, but you have

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to do it. So maybe that's the takeaway

417
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is pick a spot

418
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and we specifically zone that spot a

419
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very specific zone so that it

420
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>> we already have that right now.

421
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>> Where do we have what? Where do we zone

422
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for that?

423
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>> Slide down to the right.

424
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>> Yeah, we'll

425
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point it out.

426
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» Can you slide the picture down to the

427
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right point?

428
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,559
>> It's down. It's down by the storage

429
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>> right there.

430
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>> The PI zone transitional light

431
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industrial is the zone that allows

432
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» and if we go back to protecting our

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schools and doing a radius that goes out

434
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just to where the edge of that is, that

435
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would be pretty. And that's the only

436
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zone

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>> y

438
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>> that's designated like that. That's

439
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>> Does it have to be a certain size or

440
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anything? There just has to be a zone

441
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dedicated for that purpose for all of

442
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it.

443
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,039
>> If it was so small that nothing could

444
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ever develop there or you put it in a

445
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location where when you draw radius from

446
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schools, churches and that kind of

447
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thing, it never would it never could

448
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possibly go there. Then you expose

449
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yourself to having somebody, you know,

450
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sue and overturn it. So, it has to be

451
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somewhere where if the property owner

452
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decided they wanted to do it, it could

453
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happen. But I think you have to look.

454
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It's unlikely for that.

455
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,760
>> They shrink it into a mixed use. So,

456
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they could do all three, you know,

457
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dispensary to

458
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just

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the Amsterdam model. That's what it's

460
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called.

461
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>> The Amsterdam zone.

462
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:11,279
>> You thought about this.

463
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I've got another area I'd like to bring

464
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up.

465
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Another one focus in on Central Park.

466
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>> I think we had this discussion council

467
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» where the fire station is here.

468
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>> I got to keep going.

469
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>> Yep. Yep. And then you see

470
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>> there's some right there. It's fine.

471
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[clears throat] There's some discussion

472
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in updating the central parks master

473
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plan to include and this is just big

474
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picture thinking uh relocating city hall

475
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to the center into that area. See fire

476
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station the rec center and all that

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central area. So the question became, is

478
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that want to have some sort of business

479
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zoning nearby around it? So we go in

480
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there and buy up some of those

481
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residential lots, tear the houses down

482
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and have a little commercial area around

483
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your central

484
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>> your central hub. So that's a question I

485
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put out there about proposals.

486
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I'm saying is that something we want to

487
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consider as a future zoning around that

488
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area? We're going to have our fire

489
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station there or city hall. I don't know

490
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if you got a library or whatever. I'm

491
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,480
just picking things up. You want do you

492
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want to have a transitional zone or do

493
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:40,710
you want to have sound?

494
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» I like that to discuss.

495
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,360
>> It's just a thing to discuss. We're

496
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going to do it. That would be the time

497
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to consider that.

498
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,000
>> But yeah, I think the city council was

499
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when we talked about that for finding if

500
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we were going to relocate city hall,

501
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that would be the place we'd like to be

502
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located. Central Park.

503
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>> A planning term is a small area plan.

504
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:03,840
>> Yes.

505
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,679
>> If we had kind of a central park or city

506
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center small area plan as the

507
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consideration.

508
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,240
>> Yeah.

509
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,960
>> Is that head nods from the decision

510
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,039
makers? Am I putting that on the list?

511
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:18,240
>> Yeah.

512
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,750
are looking at

513
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,240
» when the council talked about this in

514
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,200
February, one of the ideas that was

515
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,880
brought up was uh to look at the current

516
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,720
undeveloped land regardless of zoning.

517
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,679
Uh there is a math that was used back uh

518
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:42,000
when the general plan was created to

519
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,640
assist in calculating undeveloped ground

520
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,320
and what the potential buildout

521
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,400
population could be. We could update

522
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,240
that map based on projects that have

523
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,960
been completed in the meantime that

524
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,600
essentially provide a list or a map of

525
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,799
properties that are currently

526
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,399
underdeveloped.

527
00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:00,640
Would that still be something that the

528
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,320
council would like in the scope?

529
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,799
>> Yeah. Has the map been updated? I think

530
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,480
this maybe ties along with what you're

531
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,279
saying for all of the reszones that have

532
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,679
been approved in the last 5 years has

533
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:12,399
the maps

534
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:13,440
>> the current zoning map.

535
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,240
>> So current zoning map is all updated

536
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,399
>> that happens.

537
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:21,120
>> You do want that

538
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,080
page

539
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,269
>> when

540
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:28,399
broken down by zoning and by current

541
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:31,279
acre. um how many houses that we allow

542
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:32,960
on it currently by the splits that we

543
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,480
have and the adjustments that we have in

544
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,000
uh suggestions and what we've been

545
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,720
building out. Um basically it comes up

546
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,919
to the total buildout yield left. We've

547
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:47,520
got um 477.77

548
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,529
vacant acorage,

549
00:28:50,529 --> 00:28:53,440
[clears throat] excuse me. Um taking out

550
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,559
about a 10% reduction for various

551
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,799
unbillables uh gives us about 429

552
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,520
um that gives us about again these are

553
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,440
just estimates

554
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,399
156 potential dwelling units on the

555
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:11,039
remaining vacant parcels. Um, if you

556
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,760
combine that with the 2,200 somewhat

557
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,159
existing, um, that gives us the buildout

558
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:18,320
of 3,316

559
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,039
dwelling units or 12,900 residents. And

560
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:24,720
you guys can take that and use it and

561
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,159
check the data and do whatever you guys

562
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:30,559
want with it. Um, but yeah, it does it

563
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,799
does show a lot of that. Actually, what

564
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,919
it kind of uh brought up to me was that

565
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:38,799
if we're going to have 12,

566
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:42,399
900 residents, um we're really going to

567
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:43,679
have to look at how we're going to get

568
00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:45,120
the funding for that through the

569
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,960
commercial. And if we really do have the

570
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,880
ability to do it with what we've already

571
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,120
made um commercial highway or whatnot,

572
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,640
um we may have to look at other

573
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,640
alternatives whether we do want to

574
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,640
change something down 475 or whether we

575
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,120
want to change something. I don't know

576
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,159
where. It's just that's a lot of houses

577
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:10,240
and a lot of people to I mean we would

578
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,919
be talking about a lot of increase to

579
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:13,200
tax or

580
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,840
>> does that include unincorporated? No

581
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,720
land that's all just incorporated south.

582
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,080
>> So what happens if we potentially get

583
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,559
out of that? Like what is our capacity

584
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,559
for like Sunset Junior High at some

585
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:27,760
point?

586
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,760
>> We even know like what those numbers get

587
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,120
before we have to consider an

588
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,320
alternative

589
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,720
>> and South Elementary and Hark that too.

590
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,320
I mean those already exist. That's just

591
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,159
adding two potentially.

592
00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:41,919
But like at what point does sunset not

593
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:45,039
work for however many more kids?

594
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:50,159
>> Well, I think they're already at 37.

595
00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:52,480
>> So, yeah, much higher.

596
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,640
>> Yeah. I don't think the school districts

597
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,000
ever going to bring a junior high to

598
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200
South. We were I think Sunset is our

599
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,120
junior high and if new junior high needs

600
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,840
to be built, it's going to be west of

601
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,120
Sunset Junior High.

602
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,880
>> Okay. Yeah. Right.

603
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,880
I know the school district has looked at

604
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,840
property in the past in South Wever, but

605
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,240
the most recent conversations was about

606
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,960
looking at South.

607
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,240
They've just built something somewhere

608
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,000
else to accommodate whatever.

609
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,320
>> We had that conversation just recently

610
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,480
>> on that

611
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,350
I think.

612
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,039
So, I would like to bring someone else

613
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,760
though. Um

614
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,519
as we look at the map and we see some of

615
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,159
the big uh areas that we have. Um we

616
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:46,240
always talk about all the hazard that we have where we live. Uh whether

617
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480
it's the fire hazard, we all know about

618
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,279
the uh the wind that we have constantly

619
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,080
and the sand that comes through it. um

620
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,320
you know, we've got we've got some areas

621
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,480
that are very sensitive over on the

622
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640
unincorporated side when you start

623
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,640
getting into default buying and those

624
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,000
kind of things. But, um

625
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,320
as part of this, I wouldn't mind seeing

626
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,080
or understanding if we could use

627
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,919
overlays

628
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:18,480
for specific areas. So, if you have a um

629
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,320
if you're in the middle of a fire zone

630
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,159
or along the side where we know that

631
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:23,200
there's a lot of fires that are

632
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,519
constantly happening, um does that

633
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,360
require a certain size lot with a

634
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,240
certain amount of um foliage, you know,

635
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,640
removed to a certain area or does that

636
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,120
mean when we start doing um any of the

637
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,240
infrastructure that we have to have

638
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,640
additional, you know, fire fighting

639
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,360
measures? um the wind. We know where it

640
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,960
gets hit the hardest and we know what's

641
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
going on with the gravel pits. And it's

642
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,799
almost a joke now how many people say

643
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:52,399
that they've lost sighting, they've lost

644
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:55,919
um shingles, and they've got red sand in

645
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:58,399
their windows. Um those are kind of

646
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:00,880
things that could be added as an overlay

647
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,360
to those areas and only to those areas

648
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,799
that just say, "Okay, you need to and

649
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,880
you guys would be better at it. you need

650
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,720
to have, you know, 40-year chambers

651
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,559
instead of 30 or you have to have wind

652
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,799
resistant this or I don't even know when

653
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,320
all is out there, but it would be really

654
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,840
interesting

655
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,720
places where we know new citizens and

656
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,120
buildings are going to be coming in that

657
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,000
we look at the overlays and say, "Okay,

658
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,960
this is the additional or the upgraded

659
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,880
um uh requirements for those small

660
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,399
areas." adding on to that because I'm

661
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:36,480
seeing steep slopes but I'm also our

662
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,360
sensitive lands our sensitive lands

663
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,919
designation and overlay is very vague

664
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:43,600
and we've had it come up before and

665
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,480
we've really not had a way or a means to

666
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,640
really say because you're in this

667
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,840
sensitive lands overlay these are the

668
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,159
steps these are what you have to take to

669
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:57,360
mitigate whatever that sensitivity is

670
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,360
and so I don't know if the steep slopes

671
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,279
and a sensitive lands overlay is the

672
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:02,960
same thing or different you know two

673
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840
sides of the same brain, but I wouldn't

674
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,600
mind doing that.

675
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,280
>> Well, Brandon, is that something that on

676
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,520
the like or something that we could have

677
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,440
us

678
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,399
in case

679
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:16,399
>> there's a whole code section? Is it?

680
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:19,119
>> Yeah.

681
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,440
>> I got a city built

682
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:21,919
that.

683
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:24,000
>> Yeah. Essentially that you refer to the

684
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,599
map to see if your ground if that area

685
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,040
is considered to be potentially

686
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,599
sensitive and then the code outbines

687
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,839
here's all the things that we need to

688
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:35,119
look at

689
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:36,639
>> and if there is anything that's

690
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,200
identified that needs to be mitigated

691
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,399
that they need to they need to um

692
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:44,320
propose whatever those mitigation

693
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,879
measures might so I have to ask a

694
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:49,919
question this is this a general plan

695
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:52,079
topic because Does this sound more like

696
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:58,150
a code topic not a a land use topic?

697
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,119
» Okay. And identify which properties when

698
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,680
they developed would need to look at

699
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,680
that sensitive land code section and

700
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,760
follow those requirements. So that's

701
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,240
where the sensitive land map matters is

702
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,079
to say we're we're considering this

703
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,720
sensitive and the the definition is very

704
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,560
broad. It it could be all kinds of

705
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,880
things that make it sensitive. But then

706
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,760
the sensitive land code section is what

707
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,280
dictates the requirements there.

708
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,920
>> So the general map that's really broad

709
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,839
and saying these are areas of the city

710
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:31,520
that

711
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,720
do more due diligence in your develop

712
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,640
only places that that where that code

713
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,520
does not apply are the areas that don't

714
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,760
highlight it. So if you develop in any

715
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,720
of those other areas, you don't have to

716
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:49,599
use that section of the

717
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:53,280
>> that's a pretty fair chunk.

718
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:53,920
>> Yeah. Right.

719
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,880
>> It was it was intended

720
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,400
>> some of air force.

721
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:56,720
>> Yeah.

722
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,400
>> And for example on the landing that

723
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,880
comes in there um there's other codes

724
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,599
that are are being written for crash

725
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:04,320
zone

726
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,920
>> uh that that we have. Um, does that need

727
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,000
an overlay that says windows in need to

728
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,240
be at a certain level? Again, this is,

729
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,640
you know, zoning cuz, you know, those

730
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,119
F-35s are doing, you know, 80 plus

731
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,880
decimals right now. And yeah, if

732
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,720
anything's going to be built there,

733
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,640
having that,

734
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,640
you know, upgraded windows are something

735
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,000
I think

736
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,119
>> something us looking out for. So,

737
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,200
>> Jamie, I cut you off.

738
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,400
>> Oh, you're okay. I I think it's I don't

739
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,200
want what I'm about to say to come off

740
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,680
as a reason not to do that because I

741
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,839
think it is appropriate. I just want to

742
00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:45,760
temper expectations a little bit because

743
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,440
a few of the things that you mentioned

744
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,119
Joel might not be possible.

745
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,680
>> Yeah. like the choice of exterior

746
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,200
materials,

747
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,000
the architecture of residences, the

748
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,839
legislaturator's paired back city's

749
00:36:57,839 --> 00:36:59,920
ability to do that a lot over the last

750
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,119
few years

751
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,400
>> and um unless it's a historic district.

752
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,800
I don't know that you're going to be in

753
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,040
the way that you're proposing. I would

754
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,880
say go down the path. Let's look at it

755
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,800
and then we can

756
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,720
>> um filter out those few things that

757
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,800
might not apply. For commercial, you

758
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,160
certainly can require that

759
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,760
>> because I think Lehi is the one that I

760
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,200
got that off of where they've increased

761
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,280
the five years of shingle warranty on

762
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,280
it, which wouldn't necessarily be a um a

763
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,480
look and feel type of

764
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,160
>> Yeah, that's an interesting question

765
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,400
whether it where it fits and that I

766
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,520
don't know the answer

767
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,839
>> and it may not work. Again, this is just

768
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:41,359
the digest stage. So,

769
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:44,240
I do think that that something that I

770
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,520
mean analogous to what you're talking

771
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,440
about, Joel. Yeah. And something that I

772
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,079
I'm interested in kind of throwing out

773
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:55,200
is also looking at um what other

774
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,200
potential uh land use the pit could be.

775
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,800
Um because that ties into that sensitive

776
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,440
area um and can be addressed in a

777
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,680
different way. Um I I I very vividly

778
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,599
remember you, you know, saying that

779
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,119
you're you're really excited to, you

780
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:16,400
know, one day you be

781
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,839
water skiing across Lake South Beaver

782
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:20,720
someday.

783
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,480
>> I'm not saying the Amsterdam program all

784
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,560
over again, but no.

785
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,280
But but you know if that if that is like

786
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,760
the only

787
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,720
you know like purported thing that

788
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:36,000
that's going to end up being well by

789
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,359
let's let's dive into that pun intended.

790
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:40,560
>> Um

791
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,280
>> but if if we're like if that is maybe

792
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,680
not the reality of that you know because there was a whole study done

793
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,200
right I mean they said that it would

794
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,839
take about 9 to 13 years to fill that

795
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:54,320
pool. Um very

796
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,200
>> water rights available and with weather

797
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,720
patterns and deep climate. Um, you know,

798
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,920
do we do we put that on the agenda to

799
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,880
talk about that maybe we can say could

800
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,960
this land be potentially used for

801
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,349
something else

802
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:17,829
and gravel pits on the scope.

803
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:19,839
Don't want to stop the commission from

804
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:23,280
coming up with any of it.

805
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,119
So, there's one other little piece of uh

806
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,440
commercial property on east side 89

807
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,920
that's in my backyard that I would like

808
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,760
planning commission to look like and

809
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,750
look at as well.

810
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,320
» Projected land

811
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,320
>> and see if we want to keep that

812
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,040
commercial or we want to possibly change

813
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:43,839
that.

814
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:46,560
>> That the place where the gymnastics

815
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560
coming

816
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,079
there.

817
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:51,520
Is it the yellow one or the

818
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,040
>> that little red one?

819
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,680
>> Exactly.

820
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,790
>> Okay.

821
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,400
» Did they ever come back? Because I know

822
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,480
that was unfortunately in timing of a

823
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,680
lot of transition.

824
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,599
>> Yeah, they sold that. There's a new

825
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,960
owner there and he when he bought he

826
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,160
came and wanted to do uh high density,

827
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,839
you know, town homes is what he wanted

828
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:13,599
in there.

829
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:17,270
Right.

830
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,520
» No, but we might look at something else.

831
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,040
>> There's another pink right there.

832
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,640
>> It is.

833
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,280
>> It's on a dead end street. You know,

834
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,880
it's not a just a lot of traffic up

835
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,680
there. And so I wonder if Marshall is

836
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,440
really what

837
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,200
>> the other pink had to stay there because

838
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,720
that's what's

839
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,160
>> Yeah. Isn't that a storage unit? You

840
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,760
could change it projected. It's

841
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,119
>> Yeah, that's where the storage units

842
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:45,359
are.

843
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:45,680
>> Yeah.

844
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:46,560
that's storage.

845
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,079
>> That's why we left it that way. But we

846
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:49,599
could change it to anything we want for

847
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,280
projected in the future.

848
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,800
>> Tattoo room.

849
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,240
>> So then you can

850
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,000
>> otherwise you could have a weed store in

851
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,520
there. Yes.

852
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680
>> That zone does allow things other than

853
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,480
those things.

854
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,119
>> I know.

855
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,520
>> Does it allow for a liquor store?

856
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,119
>> I understand. We want to solve our

857
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:05,520
problems.

858
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,800
>> We missed We missed out. But

859
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,640
>> no, I think we could still very much get

860
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,160
one.

861
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,920
How did we visit? I'm curious maybe

862
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,119
because I don't know if I know how the

863
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,800
that conversation went.

864
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,440
>> What I understand

865
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:19,839
people

866
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:21,680
>> and they said no, but it was like the

867
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,000
whole

868
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,119
>> it was shot down drastically across the

869
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:26,079
city.

870
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,520
>> I put one they sold it to the top of the

871
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,200
hill. If you look they put a brand new

872
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,510
on top of the hill

873
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,870
» and Farmington got one too.

874
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,950
Scotland is bigger than right now.

875
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,400
» Yeah, they're educated. So, where you

876
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:48,880
going?

877
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,640
>> Yeah. Where do you pick up?

878
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,200
>> I

879
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,760
not that one. [laughter]

880
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,680
>> One of one of the properties is one of

881
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,960
this one here is getting filled in. What

882
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,280
is the plan of that? Right now, it's

883
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,240
slowly filling in. It wasn't open.

884
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:07,680
>> We hope when they get it filled, they'll

885
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,640
cap it. Get rid of that. We don't find

886
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:11,200
sadness.

887
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,000
>> But is that is that annex in South or is

888
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,920
that on the other side or

889
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,280
>> are you talking that blue section,

890
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Chris?

891
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,760
>> The top this one's getting

892
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,560
>> I don't know if that's in South

893
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,800
Carolina

894
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,150
in part in our county.

895
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,640
» Drive by slowly filling up.

896
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,440
>> What's that blue zone? Yeah, darker blue

897
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,400
and dust.

898
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,160
>> Oh, yeah. The other side of the river.

899
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,960
>> You can click on it.

900
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,520
>> Light white light and dust.

901
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,839
>> Light industrial.

902
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:50,640
>> No,

903
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,920
>> go to the arrow to the right.

904
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,960
The arrows on the top.

905
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,880
>> Industrial.

906
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,160
>> Well, that's what I'm saying now. And

907
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,750
the blue one is commercial recreation.

908
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:06,960
» That's your

909
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,920
>> on the other side is the one.

910
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,440
>> Are those two different?

911
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,550
>> Yeah.

912
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,839
» Oh, gotcha. Gotcha.

913
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,680
>> Yeah. I can't imagine we want his own

914
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,829
residential.

915
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:26,560
» I think I think believing that it's that

916
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,440
is fine.

917
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,359
Well, there may be an advantage of

918
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,599
telling it we want it to be commercial

919
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,599
and seeing if some of these big guys out

920
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,880
there will put some pressure on the

921
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,400
seller to instead.

922
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,560
>> Exactly.

923
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,599
>> Interesting. I don't know

924
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:45,839
>> because like it's down in the pit.

925
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:50,160
>> It's it's not visible the city

926
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,760
does drop and

927
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,079
>> increases the revenue tax base revenue.

928
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,640
>> Okay, here's one annexation. What do we

929
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,079
want? We want any look at any annexation

930
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,440
pieces.

931
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,920
>> Has anybody approached the city wanting

932
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,280
to annex in?

933
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,040
>> It's on the It's on a general plan.

934
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,640
>> Yeah, it is on the general plan and it

935
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,920
says that um we're willing to

936
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,800
>> So, how much of the cost? I think it's

937
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,599
like 50% of the cost of bringing people

938
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,319
in for annexation over there. So, this

939
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:26,480
piece of property that I would like to

940
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,720
bring up and it'll be a fun discussion

941
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,119
for the planning commission.

942
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,760
See where the Oh, there's a little

943
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,400
point, Lisa, that just zoom in on that

944
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,640
one. Right. Just right. Zoom in. Right

945
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,760
there.

946
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,040
>> Just there.

947
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,599
>> Oh, now now go. Well, drag it that way.

948
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:44,560
>> I don't know what you're doing.

949
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,240
>> I know. Right there.

950
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,359
>> Now, now go

951
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:48,079
>> right there. Stop.

952
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:48,560
>> Right there.

953
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,280
>> Go. You went too far.

954
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,160
>> I didn't stop. So, the one with with the

955
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,760
little point coming down here. Yep. That

956
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,040
whole piece right there is currently

957
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,960
being used

958
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,000
and it's an unincorporated Weber County

959
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,920
or Davis County.

960
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,280
>> Oh, you're talking about evergreen being

961
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,079
used.

962
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,079
>> It's being used as evergreens. They're

963
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,960
grinding. They're hauling trucks in and

964
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,400
out of there. They're mixing dirt in and

965
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,760
out of there. They're doing concrete in

966
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,839
and out of there. They're coming up the

967
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:21,760
road. There's a huge road coming up. It

968
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,720
all up and it's probably Brandon, how

969
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:25,680
big is that?

970
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,800
>> Oh, it's about

971
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,079
>> 100 acres

972
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,119
>> probably

973
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,000
>> of just flat flat ground. I had the

974
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,560
chance to walk that

975
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,160
and the fact that it's being used. It's

976
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,560
being used as a commercial/industrial

977
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,079
business.

978
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:44,480
It's basically coming down and going

979
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,920
through our city. We're dealing with the

980
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,880
dust of it. Why are we not incorporating

981
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,319
that? Why are we not getting the

982
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:51,280
revenue?

983
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,680
>> Right. Right.

984
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,800
>> Um I get it. This is a discussion where

985
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,880
if you look there's a little small small

986
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,920
blue dot right there. I No, it's up a

987
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,200
little farther. That's our well that

988
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,720
brings up the road over the hill

989
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,800
discussion

990
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,760
>> and going down.

991
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,880
>> You mean reservoir, not well

992
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,400
>> or reservoir? Yeah.

993
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,599
>> Does that count 2700 or? No, they go

994
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,000
over this way and down and hit South

995
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,560
Drive.

996
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,440
>> 1900,

997
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,560
>> but the one that where our reservoir is

998
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,880
goes down.

999
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,359
>> That was that whole discussion of can a

1000
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:29,520
road ever go over the top there. But

1001
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,319
they build a road going over and that is

1002
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:35,599
being used. It's to me it should be

1003
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,079
something that we

1004
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:41,200
encourage to be annexed and be

1005
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,040
encouraged to be some kind of either

1006
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,640
currently commercial cuz that's what it

1007
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,880
is or something.

1008
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,200
>> I mean basically getting a

1009
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,520
>> and and running a business and just

1010
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,760
going through the county with just a

1011
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,599
typical county business license.

1012
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:58,400
>> Yeah.

1013
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,680
>> And we have no control over the dust. No

1014
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,440
control over anything. Yeah.

1015
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,960
>> And and the county doesn't do anything

1016
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,280
with it because it's over the hill.

1017
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,839
>> We we we have the we have the

1018
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:12,640
infrastructure that could handle that.

1019
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,040
It needs to be something that we do more

1020
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,880
than just open lands because that's what

1021
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,829
we have it listed as now.

1022
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:23,839
» But I'll let you guys have that

1023
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:25,599
discussion. plane probably had a

1024
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,480
different opinion than I did,

1025
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,240
>> but I don't want everybody to shoot it

1026
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,079
down unless they go look at it because

1027
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:35,119
it blew my mind when I walked that when

1028
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:36,640
everybody kept talking about what it

1029
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,480
would take to get up and over and

1030
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,000
service this. Well, it's already done.

1031
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,319
If there's dump trucks with pups going

1032
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:49,040
up the hill on it and and great big long

1033
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,760
uh belly dumps are going up it. So

1034
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,079
they're going up 1900 east that

1035
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,079
>> No, I think they're coming off of I

1036
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:57,599
think they're coming.

1037
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,200
>> They're coming. No, I think they're

1038
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,720
coming in. No, they're coming in off of

1039
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:01,760
South Wever Drive.

1040
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,800
>> Exactly.

1041
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,640
>> There's a there's a great big road cut

1042
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,599
up the side hill of South Wever drive

1043
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,440
soil. I'm looking at it right now.

1044
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,440
>> Yeah. Someone free up

1045
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,839
>> really discussion.

1046
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:16,560
>> Can you go to Google maps?

1047
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,750
the lab right there.

1048
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:27,589
» It's I can't tell where you're

1049
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:32,549
» showing

1050
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:34,960
right here.

1051
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,000
>> Yeah, you can see right there.

1052
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,680
>> All this right here.

1053
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,760
>> If you [clears throat] come back,

1054
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,599
they got comes over and down.

1055
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:45,040
Well, that they then they're running

1056
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:52,790
that they're not running that big truck

1057
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,640
on the map as you walk. I'm still not

1058
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,230
following

1059
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:01,359
that way.

1060
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:02,960
>> So, oh, come down.

1061
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,079
>> Zoom in.

1062
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,359
>> Oh, stop. So, I came in right here, but

1063
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:09,119
this is this is the golf course up at

1064
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:10,880
Hill Air Force Base, but it's all this

1065
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,000
ground. what

1066
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,000
>> is being used.

1067
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,040
>> Where's the road that you're talking

1068
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:15,440
about?

1069
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,200
>> So, there's one that comes over here

1070
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,800
that they've cut and you can see it from

1071
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,160
over here. You can't see it on any of

1072
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,839
these, but then they're also accessing

1073
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:22,880
it.

1074
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,680
>> We were just looking at it. Where's that

1075
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,400
come down?

1076
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,839
>> Turn it on satellite. You can actually

1077
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:28,079
see

1078
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:29,280
>> I don't know if they're coming over this

1079
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,470
way.

1080
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,359
» They come past they're also coming up

1081
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:36,559
like this.

1082
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,480
>> So, they're not coming up 1900. That's

1083
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,839
all.

1084
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:42,400
>> Yeah. But there, if you go up over here,

1085
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,240
you can see the road they've cut.

1086
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,559
>> They come in from Leighton side and they

1087
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:48,559
drive down that road and they cut from

1088
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:49,440
South Weaver side.

1089
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,800
>> So that's the road to figure out where

1090
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,119
you're talking.

1091
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:52,559
>> I believe it's come their main one's

1092
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:54,160
coming off of South Weaver Drive.

1093
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,640
>> Yeah. So I saw it just the other day,

1094
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,960
>> but it's just cut last summer. They cut.

1095
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,319
>> It is.

1096
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:04,640
>> How do they cut a road in South Weaver

1097
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,240
without South Weaver knowing about it?

1098
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,720
>> Well, that's what I was asking. Yeah,

1099
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,119
>> I think it's just past I wouldn't have

1100
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:12,640
noticed it, but I was at the driving

1101
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,240
range for for a wedding. That old

1102
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,000
driving range over there and there were

1103
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,760
bulldozers going up the side of the

1104
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,760
hill.

1105
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,160
>> That 1900 East,

1106
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,839
but I don't think that's updated enough

1107
00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:25,599
right there to show the one coming down.

1108
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,000
>> If it's Google Maps, it is. If you keep

1109
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,400
on going over

1110
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,680
the county's area is recent, is it? If

1111
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:34,960
you go over there, you'll be able to see

1112
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,599
it. You know where the farms are at? I

1113
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:43,030
think

1114
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,559
» it should be right across from Yeah.

1115
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,319
Right right about over there. Zoom

1116
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:50,390
around.

1117
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,870
» Well, maybe I was looking for

1118
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:00,079
accessing from the 1900 road. I don't

1119
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,480
there were dump trucks in

1120
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,150
there 193

1121
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,359
» I know they did that.

1122
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,400
>> Okay then I then I could be wrong

1123
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,079
>> but that's I thought I saw him coming

1124
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:14,640
this way.

1125
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,119
>> It's not like I said I saw two days ago.

1126
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,280
You know where the the road goes up. A

1127
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,440
guy has a farms and he allows people to

1128
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,440
use the pavilion up there. It's

1129
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,839
literally just past that that you can

1130
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:33,829
see it come up straight into the past.

1131
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:36,000
» Oh, you're talking about that.

1132
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:36,559
>> Yeah.

1133
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:38,000
>> And that one goes right up to the top of

1134
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,559
that hill. It shows it connected right

1135
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:42,000
to it.

1136
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,710
If you come farther down south,

1137
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:53,109
» this is the area.

1138
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:56,480
» That's where that is down farther.

1139
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:02,870
>> And maybe that's the road I would see.

1140
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,480
» Well, there is a road that goes all the

1141
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,599
way along the canal.

1142
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,200
>> Yeah. Right here.

1143
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,280
>> I mean, we've all Well, most of us have

1144
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,800
been on that. There's that road right

1145
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,390
there.

1146
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:24,150
» And then as you come farther down

1147
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,720
gets farther away and then you're

1148
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:27,920
approaching.

1149
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,880
>> So they come off that bench area there.

1150
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,200
It's flat where's

1151
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,040
right here too. That's our

1152
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,920
>> that's how we 1900 East. There's a dirt

1153
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,640
road that is gated and locked. There's

1154
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,760
an access road up to the city's water

1155
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,240
tank, which is this spot right here.

1156
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,640
>> But the road to the south comes up north

1157
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,400
around our tank comes down that road.

1158
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,599
She just panned out of it.

1159
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:56,400
>> Yeah. This is the road right here.

1160
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,910
>> Suns bel.

1161
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,599
» So they're using the old dump.

1162
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:04,960
>> That's how they're getting. That's how

1163
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:05,599
we get

1164
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,640
>> that's how we get. Yeah.

1165
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,520
>> Either way, I still think

1166
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,240
>> it's in it's in ouration plan.

1167
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,079
>> I agree with it. It's

1168
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:17,119
>> I think we should look at it.

1169
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,280
>> It's a huge piece of property.

1170
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,119
>> I don't my question is why

1171
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:25,920
>> how do they service utility service?

1172
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,480
They want

1173
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,720
>> they want us

1174
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,040
to take all the utility. They want them

1175
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,829
action.

1176
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:37,440
Yeah,

1177
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,680
>> all of their annexation plan and our

1178
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,920
annexation plan crisscross.

1179
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,720
>> It's only the it's only that the like

1180
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:45,359
>> light blue.

1181
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:46,800
>> Is that the only one that crisscrosses

1182
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:47,599
now?

1183
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:48,960
>> That's the only one that's

1184
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,319
>> I mean when we update this we'll have to

1185
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:54,079
coordinate with them to see if they

1186
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,400
changed their but at the time this was

1187
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,040
done that's what conflicted or overlap.

1188
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,280
>> So we talking about periwinkle right

1189
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,800
because those could both be considered

1190
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,880
light blue. Yeah.

1191
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,119
>> To me, there's the larger areas are

1192
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:11,359
purple and the small area is blue.

1193
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:11,920
>> Okay.

1194
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,400
>> It's the small area.

1195
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,200
>> The small the small area. To me, the

1196
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,119
same thing would apply down where those

1197
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:20,480
farms are though.

1198
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,680
>> Is it closer to Blair or this shirt?

1199
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,760
>> Yeah.

1200
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,400
Wherever Wherever Dave was showing those

1201
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,359
the farms, it's the same thing is

1202
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,200
there's

1203
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,880
they're I mean they're up there with

1204
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,720
dual wheel tractors all the time running

1205
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,359
them. I mean it's it's it's huge. It's

1206
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,119
several hundred acres of ground that

1207
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:42,319
could be something that's

1208
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:43,520
>> it's beautiful.

1209
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,200
>> Yeah.

1210
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,800
>> So what do you think residential up

1211
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,960
there? No, I I really don't have the

1212
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,400
answer to it. But I just think if we're

1213
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,800
going to I mean if you you start talking

1214
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,400
about how constrained we were on a

1215
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,680
budget this year.

1216
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,240
>> Yeah.

1217
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,800
>> Wait till the next budget cycle.

1218
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,800
>> One thing that always consider if we're

1219
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,640
going to do anything but open space up

1220
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:09,109
there access

1221
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:10,559
and there's no way to really get a road

1222
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:11,839
up there that's not going to create a

1223
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:14,400
beer conversation about

1224
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,000
>> more transportation getting in flight

1225
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,800
until it's it spirals out of control.

1226
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,040
You got to understand I services.

1227
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,040
>> I don't I don't disagree and

1228
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,960
>> that's why planning commission had that

1229
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,400
discussion, but I'm actually not scared

1230
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,400
of that discussion. So I I think that's

1231
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,640
it's fine. I did that people want a

1232
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,319
handcuff.

1233
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:34,319
>> I mean I think we're we're I mean when

1234
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:37,520
you're talking property taxes

1235
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:38,960
where we're going to be at in a few

1236
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,720
years on budgets, unless something

1237
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,480
drastically changes, you're you're

1238
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,440
talking major property tax increases.

1239
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,200
So, um, tied into your recommendation,

1240
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,359
>> I want to talk about the road.

1241
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:52,960
>> I knew you would. That's why I

1242
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,309
>> absolutely [laughter]

1243
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:58,640
I do. I want to talk about it because,

1244
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,240
you know, we have people that are

1245
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:01,440
concerned about access.

1246
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,440
>> Okay. But also people that are concerned

1247
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,799
about discussion for planning

1248
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:06,799
commission. [laughter]

1249
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:12,549
>> So, yes, it's on your agenda.

1250
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:13,839
» I'm going to shoot it down. you put it

1251
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:14,319
on there

1252
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,400
>> and it's already in there. People have

1253
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,400
already decided. I mean, it's kind of I

1254
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,480
mean go from one general plan to the

1255
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,240
next. My question on what you're talking

1256
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,319
about though is I'm more wondering what

1257
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:26,079
the ROI is to take all of our

1258
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:27,440
infrastructure and move it up there. If

1259
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,280
they especially want to put a type of

1260
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,440
housing or or light construction other

1261
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,119
than what's going

1262
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:34,720
>> up there if they're going to develop it,

1263
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,079
they have to

1264
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:37,680
>> Well, in our general plan, it actually

1265
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,720
says that we'll pay like 50% of it. So

1266
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:41,280
maybe

1267
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,920
>> I don't recall that%

1268
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,000
of the cost to get the but

1269
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,030
that

1270
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,030
» Brandon says no

1271
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,200
» I have to go see if I can say it out.

1272
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,559
>> I was really kind of confused on that

1273
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:01,920
over on that side but it says we're

1274
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,880
going to support the infrastruure. So,

1275
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,480
we got about 5 minutes and then we've

1276
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,040
got a better page 9 or excuse me, line

1277
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,280
9:15. Financing for infrastructure

1278
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,280
expansion would primarily be carried by

1279
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,520
developers of these properties. There

1280
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,520
may be need for the city to participate

1281
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,520
in the financing of some facilities to

1282
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,280
improve service to an existing

1283
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,480
development existing. So,

1284
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,559
>> horizontal development. Yeah. Well, you

1285
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:28,400
you're familiar when when we if you have

1286
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,319
if we have to upsize

1287
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:32,480
>> to plan for future development, we do

1288
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,240
that all over time. I think that's all

1289
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:34,960
that's said.

1290
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:35,599
>> Yeah.

1291
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,440
>> So, if we have to be there in five

1292
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,680
minutes, the other one is the

1293
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,240
>> our transportation. [clears throat]

1294
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,559
>> I there are some things on that that

1295
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:45,599
need to be up.

1296
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,319
>> They're just out of

1297
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:47,440
>> but they're pretty just

1298
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,960
>> Is there a way to summarize those and

1299
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,480
put them in money?

1300
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,280
>> I think good. Sure.

1301
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,319
>> I mean, because there's some roads that

1302
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:58,000
have been stopped and cut off and moved

1303
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,920
elsewhere.

1304
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,839
>> Roads that have been created and culacs

1305
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,040
and all sorts of stuff.

1306
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,000
>> Well, in like 9 925 needs to be

1307
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,359
realigned.

1308
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:09,200
>> Those kind of things I was getting in.

1309
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:09,680
So,

1310
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:10,960
>> the problem we have in the city is the

1311
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,359
east west access

1312
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:15,680
south drive is the only east west access

1313
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,119
between 1900 and and 75. There's no

1314
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:19,520
other way.

1315
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,400
>> We're getting very close. Yeah.

1316
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,240
We need to look at the east west

1317
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,119
side

1318
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:33,109
connects

1319
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,720
property.

1320
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,000
>> It's finally going to push through.

1321
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,920
>> Where is that connecting up on the east

1322
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,280
end?

1323
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,040
>> Connects to uh

1324
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,000
>> 8300.

1325
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,599
>> The road becomes right along the edge of

1326
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:49,349
the hill over there.

1327
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:52,160
7600 Southw

1328
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:52,960
drive.

1329
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,400
>> I don't know.

1330
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,359
>> It's [clears throat] just the top of

1331
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:56,079
1900

1332
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:58,640
>> top of 1900.

1333
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:58,960
>> Okay,

1334
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,720
>> that now will go through

1335
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,319
>> punch on three will come out here.

1336
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:04,079
>> I understand

1337
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:05,280
all elementary school kids.

1338
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,109
>> It's not definite.

1339
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:09,920
» Just go on that.

1340
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,559
>> May I summarize what I've heard so far?

1341
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,040
My notes are good on what's in the scope

1342
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,720
and what's just been talked about but

1343
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,880
didn't make the on the list. So, first

1344
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,240
I'm going to say these are definitely

1345
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,040
the items that I I saw everybody said

1346
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,200
yes or nod your head. We want them on

1347
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,079
the list. So, both cloud areas,

1348
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,559
entrances to the city with the sub

1349
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,799
question of how and where commercial

1350
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:37,760
goes, how far it goes, uh city center

1351
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,960
idea, any undeveloped property, the

1352
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,680
evergreen annexation questions, and the

1353
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,000
transportation map based on Brandon's

1354
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,640
recommended sections. other items that

1355
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,799
were discussed that I didn't feel a

1356
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:53,599
consensus. So tell me if it's included

1357
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,319
enough. They just say yes or no. They

1358
00:59:56,319 --> 00:59:58,480
can ask that be ready to do it. I just

1359
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,119
wanted to clarify on the road sections.

1360
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:02,960
Are you wanting me to make

1361
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,200
recommendations on how to update that or

1362
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,200
simply just point out this area needs to

1363
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,280
be updated?

1364
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:13,589
>> Can you do both?

1365
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,520
» I'm just a little hesitant on road

1366
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,670
>> for a small C.

1367
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,920
one connect.

1368
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,720
>> I'm I'm fine to say what I give you my

1369
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,960
first flush of what's

1370
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,960
>> what I think we should plan for

1371
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,960
>> in the end. You do that anyway. So the

1372
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,799
planning commission and then look at

1373
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:34,880
your recommendation and then their

1374
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,480
recommendation.

1375
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,880
>> So I'll do it.

1376
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,200
>> Um so yes or no the concept of rogue to

1377
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,400
lady.

1378
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,000
>> No. Sure. Yes. Yes.

1379
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,760
>> I feel like we have to talk about it.

1380
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,359
>> Yeah.

1381
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:52,400
>> To talk.

1382
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,319
>> I'm just talking. I just heard that

1383
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:56,640
verbally and it was mixed. So, raise

1384
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,440
your hand. Three. If it's at least talk

1385
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,680
about it, we can talk. We can talk.

1386
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,079
>> You're still a minority in the room.

1387
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,079
>> Raise it high and hold it so we can see

1388
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,760
what Yes or no? Yeses. Yeses.

1389
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:16,549
>> Okay. Any

1390
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:18,480
Then yes, the road to lighten will be

1391
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,520
discussed by the planning commission.

1392
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,760
>> It's just a discussion that it's our

1393
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,119
job. I feel like that part of our plan.

1394
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:32,309
>> Okay. Gravel pits was brought

1395
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:34,559
to

1396
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:36,240
>> I think the discussion on the gravel pit

1397
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,200
can happen. I just think that we can't

1398
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,799
do anything with it until we find an

1399
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:48,390
alternative for me. So yes to gravel pit

1400
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,880
» the question I was ask for this time

1401
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,079
around no

1402
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:53,680
>> is there anything on the general plan

1403
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,440
that concerns you right now

1404
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,319
>> about the gravel pits if there's not if

1405
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:01,119
you go like well like to your point it's

1406
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:04,400
pretty unknown we do you do want to show

1407
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,880
something I like the idea of the future

1408
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:13,589
reszones to apply pressure that ahead

1409
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,079
I like I mean I like discussing it for

1410
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,559
that from that point of view that we

1411
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:19,119
could

1412
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:21,599
>> if we can convince somebody that it's

1413
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:23,520
worth their time and effort to convince

1414
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,040
them to

1415
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,440
>> move on.

1416
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,640
I think that's worth it to

1417
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,799
>> Yeah, I I see some urgency. Okay.

1418
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:32,880
>> I think that's the only way things move

1419
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,799
forward with

1420
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:41,359
>> it future. Yes. um commercial section on

1421
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:42,960
the east of 89.

1422
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,480
>> Yes. The old propert

1423
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,990
>> including my house.

1424
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,280
» I think you should future the future.

1425
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,960
What was that? What was that thing

1426
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:57,520
going?

1427
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:02,230
>> Be very

1428
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,633
» dusty fighting Indiana.

1429
01:03:04,633 --> 01:03:06,000
[laughter]

1430
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,599
uh the conversation about by zoning or

1431
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:11,599
where our transitional light industrial

1432
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:13,760
did we want to revisit that or were we

1433
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,520
comfortable with it and expensive

1434
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,400
>> I think leave that one alone

1435
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,799
>> uh the sensitive lands map

1436
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:26,400
we want to revisit the sensitive lands

1437
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,440
map

1438
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,640
>> okay that is part of the story

1439
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:31,599
>> last

1440
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:35,440
>> uh the last one that I had was the idea

1441
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,839
have overlays for specific areas for

1442
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:40,480
example fires zone or windy areas or did

1443
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,480
that fall within the sensitive lenses or so those were the

1444
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,160
question

1445
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,799
I had one other one question are we

1446
01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:55,599
still a hump for um

1447
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:59,200
adventure up in the mountains because

1448
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,200
last time I read the general plan that's

1449
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,039
all it says is that we want to be

1450
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:06,640
>> yeah that we want to be a center for old

1451
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:07,280
fishing

1452
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,200
>> youngs decided to go and build

1453
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,559
elsewhere. So

1454
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:15,990
>> he said adventures first stop

1455
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,400
you got to have

1456
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,319
>> okay we need to get into council so

1457
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:22,400
let's look for a motion to adjourn

1458
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,680
salute.

1459
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,039
>> All in favor say I.