[0:00] harvest a little bit, but there's been
[0:03] lack of water.
[0:16] » It's not a fuller
[0:37] Why did you get off?
[4:52] started. It's 5:00 and we've got a lot
[4:54] to discuss and we just
[4:57] an hour. So, let's
[5:00] started uh Tuesday, June the 9, 2026.
[5:05] We're going to begin our city council
[5:07] work uh session tonight and discuss the
[5:11] general plan. Uh so
[5:15] with that, we need to every five or so
[5:19] years need to review the general plan if
[5:22] there's any changes,
[5:24] additions,
[5:26] whatever we feel we may need to do or
[5:29] maybe we might decide we do not need to
[5:31] do anything to our agenda, which is
[5:33] fine, but we need to review it. And so
[5:35] that's why we're having this meeting
[5:37] this evening. And uh still with that in
[5:41] this if I'm not mistaken
[5:45] some visitors
[5:48] this is a work session so it is not
[5:51] meeting any comments from visitors
[5:56] with that being said Dave is going to
[5:58] lead us in this discussion so we'll turn
[6:00] the time to our city manager Dave
[6:03] >> Larson
[6:07] knows being
[6:10] [clears throat]
[6:11] >> um maybe I have
[6:20] » should
[6:22] be fine.
[6:23] >> Hey, how's that?
[6:28] » Sorry.
[6:29] >> Thank you.
[6:31] >> Thanks, Mayor. the uh the kickoff from staff is that uh when
[6:38] the council talked about having regular
[6:42] updates to the general plan uh this
[6:46] February, we discussed the the timing
[6:51] and the council suggested that we don't
[6:53] need a full update process similar to
[6:56] what we did in 2020, but there might be
[6:59] a better idea to do targeted amendments.
[7:01] And so we're looking at the
[7:03] idea of amending specific areas. And in
[7:07] order to kick that off and have the
[7:09] planning commission and the city council
[7:10] all in the same room to talk about kind
[7:12] of the scoping of those amendments and
[7:15] uh and what that target really means
[7:18] when we say targeted, what what does
[7:20] that look like? What is the scope? So
[7:21] tonight, the hope is to wrap our arms
[7:24] around what that scope is um
[7:26] [clears throat] jointly between the
[7:28] planning commission and the city
[7:29] council. And then from there the
[7:30] planning commission will meet and uh
[7:33] discuss recommendations and eventually
[7:36] uh provide a recommended amendment list
[7:41] essentially to the city council for for
[7:43] review. So um that's the the general
[7:47] overview and um staff is here to just
[7:50] take notes and and understand exactly
[7:52] how the planning commission and city
[7:54] council would like to scope the project.
[8:00] Okay.
[8:02] So, let's begin the discussion.
[8:08] » I think the thing that kicked us off
[8:11] initially was that uh cloud area
[8:16] and then we were because I know there
[8:18] was some debate on well we just kind of
[8:19] threw that in because we didn't know
[8:20] what else to do with it. Is that
[8:22] basically how you put it?
[8:24] >> Well, some options there. you just
[8:26] haven't known. So I think we should come
[8:29] to a consens consensus on that space.
[8:32] Um [clears throat] there was there was a
[8:35] lot of
[8:37] um info on the trails in the packet. I'm
[8:42] not as familiar with the trails, so I
[8:43] don't have any opinion on that one, but
[8:45] I
[8:47] imagine there's some opinions on the
[8:49] trails. But
[8:51] uh the only other area that I that I
[8:53] think we need to discuss is when it
[8:55] comes to the current um agricultural and
[8:59] residential rural areas.
[9:01] Does that still make sense or not? And
[9:05] even maybe the res moderate, does that
[9:07] still make sense based on how we came to
[9:10] consensus five or six years ago now?
[9:13] Does that help kick off the conversation
[9:15] everybody? I would agree because the
[9:17] cloud areas we want to talk about it I
[9:19] think because we were all waiting on
[9:21] development and development is not
[9:23] funny. So getting that nailed down so
[9:26] that there's not that question mark
[9:28] lingering because I think most of us in
[9:30] this room were either there as part
[9:32] citizens or city council or planning
[9:34] commission. So for the minutes purpose
[9:37] can you specify the cloud area? Yes, he
[9:40] is
[9:43] >> on the cat property.
[9:46] >> Yeah, I think we I think we had it on
[9:49] one other spot, too. But
[9:51] >> can you
[9:53] >> It was clouded, but it was potentially
[9:57] residential patio
[9:58] >> and wasn't on along Old Fort
[10:00] >> and it was along Old Fort Road on the
[10:04] Peak and Cap property.
[10:10] won't go away.
[10:16] How many other cross will go away?
[10:25] Thank you.
[10:30] Lisa,
[10:30] >> do you have the map? Do you have a
[10:32] zoning map that you can pull up on
[10:33] there?
[10:34] >> Yes.
[10:37] Trying to get this little I'm trying to
[10:39] get the cell to go down.
[11:07] All right.
[11:10] » Open.
[11:14] » Put your
[11:16] mouse on your XL box at the bottom. You
[11:18] can tell
[11:21] >> that should work.
[11:25] » Do we think it'll work?
[11:27] >> Sorry.
[11:30] That's really your last
[11:32] thing.
[11:34] All right, get into the general.
[11:49] » I believe this is what you invited to.
[11:53] >> That is it
[11:56] right there.
[12:01] So I think we have maybe let's tackle
[12:04] the commercial area. Is there any
[12:08] changes any tweaks that anyone feels
[12:11] like we need to make in commercial
[12:13] property
[12:15] zone?
[12:17] I'm kind of confused. Uh isn't this the
[12:20] meeting at which we're going to kind of
[12:21] go over what we want you guys to really
[12:24] look at and make decisions on?
[12:26] >> Focus on.
[12:27] >> Okay. So, are we just making the
[12:29] decision now?
[12:31] >> No, I feel okay.
[12:34] >> Just scoping it. Scoping it to what we
[12:36] want. Planning comm.
[12:39] >> I do think that's one area to maybe kind
[12:42] of fine-tune um that we've been
[12:44] discussing Old War Road Bubble Cloud.
[12:47] Um, I would like to put out there the
[12:49] area that is south of Maverick
[12:53] and north of
[12:56] 2750, I think, is the road where it's
[12:59] still there's a commercial zone and then
[13:01] there's a residential zone, but it's
[13:03] kind of on the same parcel.
[13:05] >> I would like to kind of hear people's
[13:07] thoughts on where they're wanting that
[13:09] to be.
[13:10] >> Is that about the above Mies?
[13:13] >> Morties.
[13:13] >> Yes. Yes. Basically, south of Nordies.
[13:16] Yeah, I think it's another cloud area if
[13:19] I'm remembering.
[13:21] >> Yeah, those are the two cloud sections
[13:23] >> that were kind of left. So, yeah, that
[13:27] was a little gray club.
[13:35] » One's the residential. Mm-m.
[13:40] » I think right now it's fall designated
[13:41] commercial, but
[13:44] >> there's a little piece that's still
[13:46] >> teeny tiny piece. It's residential.
[13:47] >> It's agriculture.
[13:50] >> Current zoning fit the projected land.
[13:52] Yeah. And so a reszone would be required
[13:55] to get all of it to look like
[13:58] >> the projected land.
[14:00] >> But cloud creates a question.
[14:02] >> What is it currently? Most of it is the
[14:05] commercial highway, but the southern
[14:08] portion is
[14:10] >> but that cloud represented that we would
[14:13] we were open to some kind of residential
[14:17] >> commercial, you know, mixed use. I don't
[14:20] know what it was, but that it's not
[14:22] defined. So, it kind of left it up there
[14:24] as the gray area that we wanted to find
[14:27] it. We don't. Well, in essence, we've
[14:29] been
[14:31] five years now since we've never looked
[14:33] at it. That area has changed and we know
[14:35] some of the things that are coming in
[14:37] across the street from it.
[14:40] >> Um,
[14:41] and the traffic situation that's around
[14:43] there. I think it's a very good thing
[14:45] for us to look at um because it may be
[14:48] better as just straight residential
[14:50] right now. Um, but that's going to be a
[14:53] hard place to put it and see what goes
[14:55] in. Um but commercial going up that way.
[15:01] Um I don't know. I I look at Morty's car
[15:05] wash there and it's doing fine. Um and
[15:08] it is a very visible location from the
[15:11] freeway. So I think there's an argument
[15:14] for both whether it's commercial,
[15:16] residential, or a mixed use. Um I would
[15:18] love to have planning commission kind of
[15:21] look at it and see what they think would
[15:22] go best there and what they would
[15:25] recommend. prime suspect for putting in
[15:28] the scope for sure. Yeah, because I mean
[15:30] it that area right there has changed
[15:33] quite a bit. Um and it's going to change
[15:39] doubly in the next little bit here. So,
[15:42] um
[15:44] I think since I've been here, I don't
[15:45] think anybody's even brought anything
[15:48] forward
[15:49] is on that.
[15:56] commercial
[15:59] I thought like a flex space etoning
[16:04] we had storage units we had workshops
[16:07] like industrial workshops we had town
[16:09] homes
[16:10] >> and then we had a town home storage unit
[16:14] combo
[16:16] so maybe only four but every single one
[16:19] wasn't quite
[16:21] what I think was needed for that space.
[16:23] I do still feel like there is
[16:25] residential on the
[16:28] east or no west side. There's a house
[16:31] that I I kind of feel like a residential
[16:33] buffer still needs to somewhat be there
[16:36] and I wouldn't want to live there as the
[16:37] residential buffer, but
[16:40] I also wouldn't want to live right next
[16:41] to the car wash with the dings and the
[16:43] lights. So,
[16:44] >> but I think if we go through that and
[16:46] look at it and say, "Okay, this is this
[16:48] is what we're going to put in. we're
[16:49] going to put in a buffer. It'll probably
[16:50] be, you know, say like a medium um
[16:53] residential area. I'm just making stuff
[16:54] up right now. Um but then we need to go
[16:58] through it and make sure that that zone
[17:00] has coding that says
[17:02] >> here's Yeah, that protects that because
[17:05] >> the idea was always to have residential
[17:07] zones get more populated as you go
[17:11] towards commercial areas to act as more
[17:13] of a buffer. But just from seeing what
[17:15] we've done on buffers on a couple of
[17:16] different other areas, a lot of it's
[17:18] just been ad hoc of well, we can change
[17:21] this and we can move that and um I would
[17:24] just make sure that the general plan,
[17:25] which isn't that specific, talks about
[17:27] making sure all of our
[17:30] buffer zones are
[17:33] protected and some ideas on what needs
[17:36] to be protected and then we could change
[17:37] that in code. Have we ever had anything
[17:40] come up kind of going along South River
[17:42] Drive opposite of where the pits are?
[17:45] Those two red commercial zones, I
[17:47] believe they're both city owned, the one
[17:49] right at the bottom. Has anything ever
[17:51] been presented for those? Cuz they're
[17:53] still zoned agricultural, correct?
[17:56] >> We have
[17:58] agriculture
[17:59] for everyone to do the mult.
[18:04] » Okay.
[18:06] like apartments, more apartments.
[18:10] >> Back to the piece that we were just
[18:12] discussing, we did have someone come in
[18:15] last Dave, do you want to help?
[18:19] >> Yeah. With the idea of uh people looking
[18:21] at that area right on 2700 East, another
[18:25] uh potential types of project that was
[18:27] presented uh was a hotel.
[18:31] So as we talked about different ideas
[18:33] that have presented on that and that's
[18:35] the latest idea that has been talked
[18:37] about. So they wanted a hotel right
[18:39] across from where the apartments are at
[18:40] >> right next to the car.
[18:50] » There's no way with parking.
[18:54] » Depends on how they go.
[18:59] » Would we have a hotel that close to us?
[19:02] >> I don't think our code would.
[19:04] >> I don't think our code says.
[19:05] >> Yeah. And our code doesn't say, then
[19:07] maybe we need our code to designate how
[19:09] we protect the school zones.
[19:12] >> It's it's three acres. It's probably big
[19:14] enough.
[19:15] >> Yeah.
[19:17] >> And this is this is kind of why I was
[19:19] bringing it up originally was that a lot
[19:21] of this has changed so much. And um and
[19:24] just because it was personal, if we look
[19:26] down at the bottom of 2100 where uh I
[19:29] live and drive every day, we have that
[19:31] big open corner lot that has been
[19:34] everything from a Unitarian church to,
[19:36] you know, neighbors um four-wheeler
[19:40] park, but that one is currently mental
[19:44] highway, which means the same things
[19:46] we're talking about canary. So I guess
[19:50] part of the question that I have for the
[19:53] planning commission is as we come into
[19:55] the city really what do we want that to
[19:57] be? How far do we want to take the
[20:00] commercial? Because we can take
[20:01] commercial all the way, you know, over
[20:03] to the S-curve, but is that what we want to do? I mean, we do have
[20:09] the high winds. We have those kind of
[20:11] areas. We've got some good retail, not
[20:14] retail, but commercial that has already
[20:16] come in and doing well. um and some that
[20:18] are slowly growing.
[20:21] We know we need more retail for um the
[20:26] tax burden to be moved from the citizens
[20:28] over to you know commercial base.
[20:33] I think it'd be real good for you guys
[20:35] to take a look at that and just really
[20:37] decide what are the entrance ways. And
[20:39] that means same thing over there 475
[20:42] although much more limited. We only have
[20:44] a a few spots but at the same time if it
[20:49] is a
[20:50] if that becomes a productive spot real
[20:53] quick because general RV just takes off.
[20:55] Um there's people that would quickly buy
[20:59] um couple of areas if they thought that
[21:01] they would be able to take down the
[21:02] homes and put in commercial there.
[21:03] >> Yeah.
[21:04] >> Um I think channel RV for what would do
[21:07] it just
[21:09] >> option right now for removing houses to
[21:11] put in
[21:12] >> all it takes is changing the zone.
[21:13] Right.
[21:14] >> True. So, so from a scoping standpoint,
[21:17] what I'm hitting is the idea presented
[21:19] of looking at commercial at the
[21:22] entryways or more broadly speaking, look
[21:25] at the entryways to the city uh as part
[21:29] of the scope, the areas of scope. Look
[21:31] at the entries to the city. Is that fair
[21:33] to say?
[21:33] >> Reflection.
[21:34] >> Yeah.
[21:35] >> I think the other thing that we need to
[21:37] pull out is that I don't know if there's
[21:38] ever been anybody been any interest in a
[21:40] hotel actually being built in our city.
[21:42] So maybe we need to look at removing
[21:45] that as an option in code. So that is
[21:47] >> it would have to come through city
[21:48] council an exception in order to be
[21:50] approved. That might be
[21:51] >> that's the thing is that they don't if
[21:53] it's not in our city um code zoning code
[21:57] we can still do it. It just means it's
[21:59] not an automatic pass through
[22:01] >> right
[22:01] >> and even uh if it's an unconditional use
[22:04] if we don't have enough to go against it
[22:07] can still go right there. So, um, yeah,
[22:10] I I agree with you. Absolutely.
[22:12] >> Sure. I would add that to as part of the
[22:15] takeway is review what's allowed in the
[22:17] commercial zone and recommend things
[22:20] that maybe we we would never want in the
[22:23] city that we are allowed to take out
[22:25] because I think when Trevor was here,
[22:27] there were a couple of callouts that he
[22:29] said we had to include some kind of call
[22:31] out for adult businesses or something
[22:34] like that.
[22:36] >> It was really weird. But they're part
[22:40] Jamie could speak to that maybe.
[22:41] >> Yeah. So they're what I would call vice
[22:43] industries. So
[22:46] >> marijuana dispensaries,
[22:48] sexually oriented businesses. The rule
[22:52] under state laws if you don't
[22:55] somewhere then you cannot exclude them
[22:58] anywhere. So you have to pick somewhere
[23:01] in the in the city that
[23:04] where those things would be located
[23:07] because if you don't do it, you can't
[23:08] prohibit it. So that's kind that's sort
[23:11] of how it works. And it always it always
[23:13] feels a little weird to city councils to
[23:16] say we're going to zone for this thing
[23:18] that we hope never happens, but you have
[23:21] to do it. So maybe that's the takeaway
[23:23] is pick a spot
[23:27] and we specifically zone that spot a
[23:29] very specific zone so that it
[23:31] >> we already have that right now.
[23:34] >> Where do we have what? Where do we zone
[23:36] for that?
[23:37] >> Slide down to the right.
[23:38] >> Yeah, we'll
[23:40] point it out.
[23:46] » Can you slide the picture down to the
[23:47] right point?
[23:48] >> It's down. It's down by the storage
[23:52] >> right there.
[23:55] >> The PI zone transitional light
[23:58] industrial is the zone that allows
[24:03] » and if we go back to protecting our
[24:05] schools and doing a radius that goes out
[24:08] just to where the edge of that is, that
[24:10] would be pretty. And that's the only
[24:13] zone
[24:14] >> y
[24:14] >> that's designated like that. That's
[24:16] >> Does it have to be a certain size or
[24:18] anything? There just has to be a zone
[24:20] dedicated for that purpose for all of
[24:22] it.
[24:23] >> If it was so small that nothing could
[24:25] ever develop there or you put it in a
[24:27] location where when you draw radius from
[24:30] schools, churches and that kind of
[24:31] thing, it never would it never could
[24:34] possibly go there. Then you expose
[24:37] yourself to having somebody, you know,
[24:39] sue and overturn it. So, it has to be
[24:41] somewhere where if the property owner
[24:44] decided they wanted to do it, it could
[24:46] happen. But I think you have to look.
[24:51] It's unlikely for that.
[24:53] >> They shrink it into a mixed use. So,
[24:55] they could do all three, you know,
[24:57] dispensary to
[24:59] just
[25:02] the Amsterdam model. That's what it's
[25:04] called.
[25:06] >> The Amsterdam zone.
[25:08] >> You thought about this.
[25:11] I've got another area I'd like to bring
[25:12] up.
[25:14] Another one focus in on Central Park.
[25:18] >> I think we had this discussion council
[25:34] » where the fire station is here.
[25:37] >> I got to keep going.
[25:38] >> Yep. Yep. And then you see
[25:41] >> there's some right there. It's fine.
[25:43] [clears throat] There's some discussion
[25:44] in updating the central parks master
[25:47] plan to include and this is just big
[25:50] picture thinking uh relocating city hall
[25:54] to the center into that area. See fire
[25:58] station the rec center and all that
[26:00] central area. So the question became, is
[26:03] that want to have some sort of business
[26:07] zoning nearby around it? So we go in
[26:10] there and buy up some of those
[26:11] residential lots, tear the houses down
[26:13] and have a little commercial area around
[26:15] your central
[26:16] >> your central hub. So that's a question I
[26:19] put out there about proposals.
[26:21] I'm saying is that something we want to
[26:23] consider as a future zoning around that
[26:26] area? We're going to have our fire
[26:27] station there or city hall. I don't know
[26:30] if you got a library or whatever. I'm
[26:32] just picking things up. You want do you
[26:34] want to have a transitional zone or do
[26:36] you want to have sound?
[26:40] » I like that to discuss.
[26:43] >> It's just a thing to discuss. We're
[26:45] going to do it. That would be the time
[26:46] to consider that.
[26:48] >> But yeah, I think the city council was
[26:50] when we talked about that for finding if
[26:52] we were going to relocate city hall,
[26:53] that would be the place we'd like to be
[26:55] located. Central Park.
[26:59] >> A planning term is a small area plan.
[27:03] >> Yes.
[27:03] >> If we had kind of a central park or city
[27:07] center small area plan as the
[27:10] consideration.
[27:11] >> Yeah.
[27:12] >> Is that head nods from the decision
[27:14] makers? Am I putting that on the list?
[27:17] >> Yeah.
[27:18] are looking at
[27:23] » when the council talked about this in
[27:26] February, one of the ideas that was
[27:29] brought up was uh to look at the current
[27:32] undeveloped land regardless of zoning.
[27:36] Uh there is a math that was used back uh
[27:39] when the general plan was created to
[27:42] assist in calculating undeveloped ground
[27:44] and what the potential buildout
[27:46] population could be. We could update
[27:48] that map based on projects that have
[27:50] been completed in the meantime that
[27:52] essentially provide a list or a map of
[27:55] properties that are currently
[27:56] underdeveloped.
[27:58] Would that still be something that the
[28:00] council would like in the scope?
[28:02] >> Yeah. Has the map been updated? I think
[28:04] this maybe ties along with what you're
[28:06] saying for all of the reszones that have
[28:09] been approved in the last 5 years has
[28:11] the maps
[28:12] >> the current zoning map.
[28:13] >> So current zoning map is all updated
[28:16] >> that happens.
[28:18] >> You do want that
[28:21] page
[28:22] >> when
[28:25] broken down by zoning and by current
[28:28] acre. um how many houses that we allow
[28:31] on it currently by the splits that we
[28:32] have and the adjustments that we have in
[28:36] uh suggestions and what we've been
[28:38] building out. Um basically it comes up
[28:40] to the total buildout yield left. We've
[28:43] got um 477.77
[28:47] vacant acorage,
[28:50] [clears throat] excuse me. Um taking out
[28:53] about a 10% reduction for various
[28:56] unbillables uh gives us about 429
[29:00] um that gives us about again these are
[29:03] just estimates
[29:05] 156 potential dwelling units on the
[29:08] remaining vacant parcels. Um, if you
[29:11] combine that with the 2,200 somewhat
[29:13] existing, um, that gives us the buildout
[29:16] of 3,316
[29:18] dwelling units or 12,900 residents. And
[29:23] you guys can take that and use it and
[29:24] check the data and do whatever you guys
[29:26] want with it. Um, but yeah, it does it
[29:30] does show a lot of that. Actually, what
[29:32] it kind of uh brought up to me was that
[29:35] if we're going to have 12,
[29:38] 900 residents, um we're really going to
[29:42] have to look at how we're going to get
[29:43] the funding for that through the
[29:45] commercial. And if we really do have the
[29:48] ability to do it with what we've already
[29:50] made um commercial highway or whatnot,
[29:55] um we may have to look at other
[29:56] alternatives whether we do want to
[29:58] change something down 475 or whether we
[30:00] want to change something. I don't know
[30:03] where. It's just that's a lot of houses
[30:06] and a lot of people to I mean we would
[30:10] be talking about a lot of increase to
[30:11] tax or
[30:13] >> does that include unincorporated? No
[30:15] land that's all just incorporated south.
[30:20] >> So what happens if we potentially get
[30:22] out of that? Like what is our capacity
[30:24] for like Sunset Junior High at some
[30:26] point?
[30:27] >> We even know like what those numbers get
[30:29] before we have to consider an
[30:31] alternative
[30:32] >> and South Elementary and Hark that too.
[30:34] I mean those already exist. That's just
[30:36] adding two potentially.
[30:38] But like at what point does sunset not
[30:41] work for however many more kids?
[30:45] >> Well, I think they're already at 37.
[30:50] >> So, yeah, much higher.
[30:52] >> Yeah. I don't think the school districts
[30:54] ever going to bring a junior high to
[30:56] South. We were I think Sunset is our
[30:59] junior high and if new junior high needs
[31:01] to be built, it's going to be west of
[31:03] Sunset Junior High.
[31:05] >> Okay. Yeah. Right.
[31:06] I know the school district has looked at
[31:08] property in the past in South Wever, but
[31:11] the most recent conversations was about
[31:14] looking at South.
[31:16] They've just built something somewhere
[31:18] else to accommodate whatever.
[31:20] >> We had that conversation just recently
[31:24] >> on that
[31:26] I think.
[31:31] So, I would like to bring someone else
[31:33] though. Um
[31:35] as we look at the map and we see some of
[31:37] the big uh areas that we have. Um we
[31:42] always talk about all the hazard that we have where we live. Uh whether
[31:46] it's the fire hazard, we all know about
[31:48] the uh the wind that we have constantly
[31:51] and the sand that comes through it. um
[31:54] you know, we've got we've got some areas
[31:56] that are very sensitive over on the
[31:58] unincorporated side when you start
[32:00] getting into default buying and those
[32:02] kind of things. But, um
[32:06] as part of this, I wouldn't mind seeing
[32:08] or understanding if we could use
[32:12] overlays
[32:13] for specific areas. So, if you have a um
[32:18] if you're in the middle of a fire zone
[32:20] or along the side where we know that
[32:22] there's a lot of fires that are
[32:23] constantly happening, um does that
[32:25] require a certain size lot with a
[32:27] certain amount of um foliage, you know,
[32:30] removed to a certain area or does that
[32:32] mean when we start doing um any of the
[32:37] infrastructure that we have to have
[32:38] additional, you know, fire fighting
[32:40] measures? um the wind. We know where it
[32:43] gets hit the hardest and we know what's
[32:44] going on with the gravel pits. And it's
[32:46] almost a joke now how many people say
[32:48] that they've lost sighting, they've lost
[32:52] um shingles, and they've got red sand in
[32:55] their windows. Um those are kind of
[32:58] things that could be added as an overlay
[33:00] to those areas and only to those areas
[33:03] that just say, "Okay, you need to and
[33:06] you guys would be better at it. you need
[33:08] to have, you know, 40-year chambers
[33:10] instead of 30 or you have to have wind
[33:12] resistant this or I don't even know when
[33:14] all is out there, but it would be really
[33:16] interesting
[33:17] places where we know new citizens and
[33:20] buildings are going to be coming in that
[33:23] we look at the overlays and say, "Okay,
[33:26] this is the additional or the upgraded
[33:28] um uh requirements for those small
[33:32] areas." adding on to that because I'm
[33:34] seeing steep slopes but I'm also our
[33:36] sensitive lands our sensitive lands
[33:39] designation and overlay is very vague
[33:41] and we've had it come up before and
[33:43] we've really not had a way or a means to
[33:46] really say because you're in this
[33:48] sensitive lands overlay these are the
[33:51] steps these are what you have to take to
[33:54] mitigate whatever that sensitivity is
[33:57] and so I don't know if the steep slopes
[33:59] and a sensitive lands overlay is the
[34:01] same thing or different you know two
[34:02] sides of the same brain, but I wouldn't
[34:05] mind doing that.
[34:07] >> Well, Brandon, is that something that on
[34:09] the like or something that we could have
[34:11] us
[34:13] in case
[34:14] >> there's a whole code section? Is it?
[34:16] >> Yeah.
[34:19] >> I got a city built
[34:21] that.
[34:21] >> Yeah. Essentially that you refer to the
[34:24] map to see if your ground if that area
[34:27] is considered to be potentially
[34:29] sensitive and then the code outbines
[34:31] here's all the things that we need to
[34:33] look at
[34:35] >> and if there is anything that's
[34:36] identified that needs to be mitigated
[34:39] that they need to they need to um
[34:42] propose whatever those mitigation
[34:44] measures might so I have to ask a
[34:46] question this is this a general plan
[34:49] topic because Does this sound more like
[34:52] a code topic not a a land use topic?
[34:58] » Okay. And identify which properties when
[35:01] they developed would need to look at
[35:03] that sensitive land code section and
[35:05] follow those requirements. So that's
[35:07] where the sensitive land map matters is
[35:10] to say we're we're considering this
[35:12] sensitive and the the definition is very
[35:14] broad. It it could be all kinds of
[35:16] things that make it sensitive. But then
[35:18] the sensitive land code section is what
[35:21] dictates the requirements there.
[35:25] >> So the general map that's really broad
[35:27] and saying these are areas of the city
[35:29] that
[35:31] do more due diligence in your develop
[35:34] only places that that where that code
[35:36] does not apply are the areas that don't
[35:39] highlight it. So if you develop in any
[35:41] of those other areas, you don't have to
[35:44] use that section of the
[35:49] >> that's a pretty fair chunk.
[35:53] >> Yeah. Right.
[35:53] >> It was it was intended
[35:54] >> some of air force.
[35:56] >> Yeah.
[35:56] >> And for example on the landing that
[35:58] comes in there um there's other codes
[36:00] that are are being written for crash
[36:03] zone
[36:04] >> uh that that we have. Um, does that need
[36:07] an overlay that says windows in need to
[36:10] be at a certain level? Again, this is,
[36:12] you know, zoning cuz, you know, those
[36:14] F-35s are doing, you know, 80 plus
[36:17] decimals right now. And yeah, if
[36:20] anything's going to be built there,
[36:22] having that,
[36:24] you know, upgraded windows are something
[36:26] I think
[36:28] >> something us looking out for. So,
[36:31] >> Jamie, I cut you off.
[36:33] >> Oh, you're okay. I I think it's I don't
[36:36] want what I'm about to say to come off
[36:39] as a reason not to do that because I
[36:41] think it is appropriate. I just want to
[36:43] temper expectations a little bit because
[36:45] a few of the things that you mentioned
[36:47] Joel might not be possible.
[36:49] >> Yeah. like the choice of exterior
[36:51] materials,
[36:53] the architecture of residences, the
[36:56] legislaturator's paired back city's
[36:57] ability to do that a lot over the last
[36:59] few years
[37:01] >> and um unless it's a historic district.
[37:04] I don't know that you're going to be in
[37:06] the way that you're proposing. I would
[37:09] say go down the path. Let's look at it
[37:10] and then we can
[37:12] >> um filter out those few things that
[37:14] might not apply. For commercial, you
[37:16] certainly can require that
[37:18] >> because I think Lehi is the one that I
[37:19] got that off of where they've increased
[37:21] the five years of shingle warranty on
[37:25] it, which wouldn't necessarily be a um a
[37:29] look and feel type of
[37:30] >> Yeah, that's an interesting question
[37:32] whether it where it fits and that I
[37:34] don't know the answer
[37:35] >> and it may not work. Again, this is just
[37:37] the digest stage. So,
[37:41] I do think that that something that I
[37:44] mean analogous to what you're talking
[37:45] about, Joel. Yeah. And something that I
[37:47] I'm interested in kind of throwing out
[37:50] is also looking at um what other
[37:55] potential uh land use the pit could be.
[37:59] Um because that ties into that sensitive
[38:02] area um and can be addressed in a
[38:05] different way. Um I I I very vividly
[38:09] remember you, you know, saying that
[38:11] you're you're really excited to, you
[38:13] know, one day you be
[38:16] water skiing across Lake South Beaver
[38:19] someday.
[38:20] >> I'm not saying the Amsterdam program all
[38:22] over again, but no.
[38:24] But but you know if that if that is like
[38:27] the only
[38:29] you know like purported thing that
[38:32] that's going to end up being well by
[38:36] let's let's dive into that pun intended.
[38:39] >> Um
[38:40] >> but if if we're like if that is maybe
[38:43] not the reality of that you know because there was a whole study done
[38:47] right I mean they said that it would
[38:49] take about 9 to 13 years to fill that
[38:51] pool. Um very
[38:54] >> water rights available and with weather
[38:57] patterns and deep climate. Um, you know,
[39:00] do we do we put that on the agenda to
[39:03] talk about that maybe we can say could
[39:06] this land be potentially used for
[39:08] something else
[39:13] and gravel pits on the scope.
[39:17] Don't want to stop the commission from
[39:19] coming up with any of it.
[39:23] So, there's one other little piece of uh
[39:25] commercial property on east side 89
[39:27] that's in my backyard that I would like
[39:29] planning commission to look like and
[39:31] look at as well.
[39:35] » Projected land
[39:38] >> and see if we want to keep that
[39:40] commercial or we want to possibly change
[39:43] that.
[39:43] >> That the place where the gymnastics
[39:46] coming
[39:48] there.
[39:50] Is it the yellow one or the
[39:51] >> that little red one?
[39:53] >> Exactly.
[39:53] >> Okay.
[39:56] » Did they ever come back? Because I know
[39:58] that was unfortunately in timing of a
[40:00] lot of transition.
[40:01] >> Yeah, they sold that. There's a new
[40:03] owner there and he when he bought he
[40:06] came and wanted to do uh high density,
[40:10] you know, town homes is what he wanted
[40:11] in there.
[40:13] Right.
[40:17] » No, but we might look at something else.
[40:21] >> There's another pink right there.
[40:25] >> It is.
[40:26] >> It's on a dead end street. You know,
[40:29] it's not a just a lot of traffic up
[40:32] there. And so I wonder if Marshall is
[40:35] really what
[40:37] >> the other pink had to stay there because
[40:39] that's what's
[40:40] >> Yeah. Isn't that a storage unit? You
[40:42] could change it projected. It's
[40:43] >> Yeah, that's where the storage units
[40:45] are.
[40:45] >> Yeah.
[40:45] that's storage.
[40:46] >> That's why we left it that way. But we
[40:48] could change it to anything we want for
[40:49] projected in the future.
[40:51] >> Tattoo room.
[40:52] >> So then you can
[40:54] >> otherwise you could have a weed store in
[40:56] there. Yes.
[40:57] >> That zone does allow things other than
[40:59] those things.
[41:00] >> I know.
[41:01] >> Does it allow for a liquor store?
[41:03] >> I understand. We want to solve our
[41:05] problems.
[41:05] >> We missed We missed out. But
[41:08] >> no, I think we could still very much get
[41:10] one.
[41:12] How did we visit? I'm curious maybe
[41:13] because I don't know if I know how the
[41:15] that conversation went.
[41:16] >> What I understand
[41:19] people
[41:19] >> and they said no, but it was like the
[41:21] whole
[41:22] >> it was shot down drastically across the
[41:25] city.
[41:26] >> I put one they sold it to the top of the
[41:29] hill. If you look they put a brand new
[41:31] on top of the hill
[41:35] » and Farmington got one too.
[41:40] Scotland is bigger than right now.
[41:46] » Yeah, they're educated. So, where you
[41:48] going?
[41:48] >> Yeah. Where do you pick up?
[41:50] >> I
[41:53] not that one. [laughter]
[41:55] >> One of one of the properties is one of
[41:57] this one here is getting filled in. What
[42:00] is the plan of that? Right now, it's
[42:03] slowly filling in. It wasn't open.
[42:06] >> We hope when they get it filled, they'll
[42:07] cap it. Get rid of that. We don't find
[42:10] sadness.
[42:11] >> But is that is that annex in South or is
[42:14] that on the other side or
[42:15] >> are you talking that blue section,
[42:17] Chris?
[42:17] >> The top this one's getting
[42:19] >> I don't know if that's in South
[42:22] Carolina
[42:24] in part in our county.
[42:30] » Drive by slowly filling up.
[42:32] >> What's that blue zone? Yeah, darker blue
[42:37] and dust.
[42:38] >> Oh, yeah. The other side of the river.
[42:42] >> You can click on it.
[42:44] >> Light white light and dust.
[42:47] >> Light industrial.
[42:49] >> No,
[42:50] >> go to the arrow to the right.
[42:53] The arrows on the top.
[42:56] >> Industrial.
[42:58] >> Well, that's what I'm saying now. And
[43:00] the blue one is commercial recreation.
[43:05] » That's your
[43:06] >> on the other side is the one.
[43:09] >> Are those two different?
[43:11] >> Yeah.
[43:14] » Oh, gotcha. Gotcha.
[43:17] >> Yeah. I can't imagine we want his own
[43:19] residential.
[43:23] » I think I think believing that it's that
[43:26] is fine.
[43:29] Well, there may be an advantage of
[43:31] telling it we want it to be commercial
[43:33] and seeing if some of these big guys out
[43:35] there will put some pressure on the
[43:38] seller to instead.
[43:40] >> Exactly.
[43:42] >> Interesting. I don't know
[43:43] >> because like it's down in the pit.
[43:45] >> It's it's not visible the city
[43:50] does drop and
[43:51] >> increases the revenue tax base revenue.
[43:56] >> Okay, here's one annexation. What do we
[43:58] want? We want any look at any annexation
[44:02] pieces.
[44:03] >> Has anybody approached the city wanting
[44:05] to annex in?
[44:07] >> It's on the It's on a general plan.
[44:09] >> Yeah, it is on the general plan and it
[44:10] says that um we're willing to
[44:13] >> So, how much of the cost? I think it's
[44:16] like 50% of the cost of bringing people
[44:21] in for annexation over there. So, this
[44:24] piece of property that I would like to
[44:26] bring up and it'll be a fun discussion
[44:28] for the planning commission.
[44:31] See where the Oh, there's a little
[44:33] point, Lisa, that just zoom in on that
[44:36] one. Right. Just right. Zoom in. Right
[44:38] there.
[44:39] >> Just there.
[44:41] >> Oh, now now go. Well, drag it that way.
[44:43] >> I don't know what you're doing.
[44:44] >> I know. Right there.
[44:46] >> Now, now go
[44:47] >> right there. Stop.
[44:48] >> Right there.
[44:48] >> Go. You went too far.
[44:51] >> I didn't stop. So, the one with with the
[44:54] little point coming down here. Yep. That
[44:57] whole piece right there is currently
[45:01] being used
[45:02] and it's an unincorporated Weber County
[45:06] or Davis County.
[45:07] >> Oh, you're talking about evergreen being
[45:09] used.
[45:10] >> It's being used as evergreens. They're
[45:12] grinding. They're hauling trucks in and
[45:14] out of there. They're mixing dirt in and
[45:16] out of there. They're doing concrete in
[45:17] and out of there. They're coming up the
[45:19] road. There's a huge road coming up. It
[45:21] all up and it's probably Brandon, how
[45:24] big is that?
[45:25] >> Oh, it's about
[45:26] >> 100 acres
[45:28] >> probably
[45:29] >> of just flat flat ground. I had the
[45:32] chance to walk that
[45:34] and the fact that it's being used. It's
[45:38] being used as a commercial/industrial
[45:40] business.
[45:42] It's basically coming down and going
[45:44] through our city. We're dealing with the
[45:45] dust of it. Why are we not incorporating
[45:48] that? Why are we not getting the
[45:50] revenue?
[45:51] >> Right. Right.
[45:53] >> Um I get it. This is a discussion where
[45:56] if you look there's a little small small
[45:58] blue dot right there. I No, it's up a
[46:01] little farther. That's our well that
[46:05] brings up the road over the hill
[46:06] discussion
[46:08] >> and going down.
[46:09] >> You mean reservoir, not well
[46:10] >> or reservoir? Yeah.
[46:12] >> Does that count 2700 or? No, they go
[46:15] over this way and down and hit South
[46:18] Drive.
[46:18] >> 1900,
[46:19] >> but the one that where our reservoir is
[46:22] goes down.
[46:24] >> That was that whole discussion of can a
[46:27] road ever go over the top there. But
[46:29] they build a road going over and that is
[46:32] being used. It's to me it should be
[46:35] something that we
[46:38] encourage to be annexed and be
[46:41] encouraged to be some kind of either
[46:43] currently commercial cuz that's what it
[46:44] is or something.
[46:46] >> I mean basically getting a
[46:51] >> and and running a business and just
[46:53] going through the county with just a
[46:55] typical county business license.
[46:57] >> Yeah.
[46:58] >> And we have no control over the dust. No
[47:01] control over anything. Yeah.
[47:03] >> And and the county doesn't do anything
[47:04] with it because it's over the hill.
[47:07] >> We we we have the we have the
[47:09] infrastructure that could handle that.
[47:12] It needs to be something that we do more
[47:15] than just open lands because that's what
[47:16] we have it listed as now.
[47:21] » But I'll let you guys have that
[47:23] discussion. plane probably had a
[47:25] different opinion than I did,
[47:28] >> but I don't want everybody to shoot it
[47:30] down unless they go look at it because
[47:32] it blew my mind when I walked that when
[47:35] everybody kept talking about what it
[47:36] would take to get up and over and
[47:38] service this. Well, it's already done.
[47:42] If there's dump trucks with pups going
[47:44] up the hill on it and and great big long
[47:49] uh belly dumps are going up it. So
[47:51] they're going up 1900 east that
[47:54] >> No, I think they're coming off of I
[47:56] think they're coming.
[47:57] >> They're coming. No, I think they're
[47:59] coming in. No, they're coming in off of
[48:00] South Wever Drive.
[48:01] >> Exactly.
[48:02] >> There's a there's a great big road cut
[48:04] up the side hill of South Wever drive
[48:07] soil. I'm looking at it right now.
[48:09] >> Yeah. Someone free up
[48:11] >> really discussion.
[48:13] >> Can you go to Google maps?
[48:16] the lab right there.
[48:21] » It's I can't tell where you're
[48:27] » showing
[48:32] right here.
[48:34] >> Yeah, you can see right there.
[48:36] >> All this right here.
[48:37] >> If you [clears throat] come back,
[48:39] they got comes over and down.
[48:43] Well, that they then they're running
[48:45] that they're not running that big truck
[48:52] on the map as you walk. I'm still not
[48:54] following
[48:58] that way.
[49:01] >> So, oh, come down.
[49:02] >> Zoom in.
[49:04] >> Oh, stop. So, I came in right here, but
[49:07] this is this is the golf course up at
[49:09] Hill Air Force Base, but it's all this
[49:10] ground. what
[49:12] >> is being used.
[49:14] >> Where's the road that you're talking
[49:15] about?
[49:15] >> So, there's one that comes over here
[49:17] that they've cut and you can see it from
[49:18] over here. You can't see it on any of
[49:20] these, but then they're also accessing
[49:21] it.
[49:22] >> We were just looking at it. Where's that
[49:25] come down?
[49:26] >> Turn it on satellite. You can actually
[49:27] see
[49:28] >> I don't know if they're coming over this
[49:29] way.
[49:32] » They come past they're also coming up
[49:35] like this.
[49:36] >> So, they're not coming up 1900. That's
[49:38] all.
[49:39] >> Yeah. But there, if you go up over here,
[49:42] you can see the road they've cut.
[49:44] >> They come in from Leighton side and they
[49:46] drive down that road and they cut from
[49:48] South Weaver side.
[49:49] >> So that's the road to figure out where
[49:50] you're talking.
[49:51] >> I believe it's come their main one's
[49:52] coming off of South Weaver Drive.
[49:54] >> Yeah. So I saw it just the other day,
[49:56] >> but it's just cut last summer. They cut.
[50:00] >> It is.
[50:02] >> How do they cut a road in South Weaver
[50:04] without South Weaver knowing about it?
[50:06] >> Well, that's what I was asking. Yeah,
[50:08] >> I think it's just past I wouldn't have
[50:11] noticed it, but I was at the driving
[50:12] range for for a wedding. That old
[50:14] driving range over there and there were
[50:16] bulldozers going up the side of the
[50:17] hill.
[50:19] >> That 1900 East,
[50:22] but I don't think that's updated enough
[50:23] right there to show the one coming down.
[50:25] >> If it's Google Maps, it is. If you keep
[50:28] on going over
[50:30] the county's area is recent, is it? If
[50:33] you go over there, you'll be able to see
[50:34] it. You know where the farms are at? I
[50:37] think
[50:43] » it should be right across from Yeah.
[50:44] Right right about over there. Zoom
[50:46] around.
[50:50] » Well, maybe I was looking for
[50:54] accessing from the 1900 road. I don't
[51:00] there were dump trucks in
[51:02] there 193
[51:08] » I know they did that.
[51:09] >> Okay then I then I could be wrong
[51:12] >> but that's I thought I saw him coming
[51:14] this way.
[51:14] >> It's not like I said I saw two days ago.
[51:17] You know where the the road goes up. A
[51:19] guy has a farms and he allows people to
[51:21] use the pavilion up there. It's
[51:23] literally just past that that you can
[51:25] see it come up straight into the past.
[51:33] » Oh, you're talking about that.
[51:36] >> Yeah.
[51:36] >> And that one goes right up to the top of
[51:38] that hill. It shows it connected right
[51:40] to it.
[51:42] If you come farther down south,
[51:46] » this is the area.
[51:53] » That's where that is down farther.
[51:56] >> And maybe that's the road I would see.
[52:02] » Well, there is a road that goes all the
[52:04] way along the canal.
[52:05] >> Yeah. Right here.
[52:07] >> I mean, we've all Well, most of us have
[52:09] been on that. There's that road right
[52:10] there.
[52:14] » And then as you come farther down
[52:24] gets farther away and then you're
[52:26] approaching.
[52:27] >> So they come off that bench area there.
[52:30] It's flat where's
[52:33] right here too. That's our
[52:37] >> that's how we 1900 East. There's a dirt
[52:39] road that is gated and locked. There's
[52:42] an access road up to the city's water
[52:45] tank, which is this spot right here.
[52:48] >> But the road to the south comes up north
[52:50] around our tank comes down that road.
[52:52] She just panned out of it.
[52:53] >> Yeah. This is the road right here.
[52:56] >> Suns bel.
[53:01] » So they're using the old dump.
[53:03] >> That's how they're getting. That's how
[53:04] we get
[53:05] >> that's how we get. Yeah.
[53:08] >> Either way, I still think
[53:11] >> it's in it's in ouration plan.
[53:14] >> I agree with it. It's
[53:16] >> I think we should look at it.
[53:17] >> It's a huge piece of property.
[53:19] >> I don't my question is why
[53:23] >> how do they service utility service?
[53:25] They want
[53:26] >> they want us
[53:28] to take all the utility. They want them
[53:31] action.
[53:35] Yeah,
[53:37] >> all of their annexation plan and our
[53:39] annexation plan crisscross.
[53:41] >> It's only the it's only that the like
[53:44] >> light blue.
[53:45] >> Is that the only one that crisscrosses
[53:46] now?
[53:47] >> That's the only one that's
[53:48] >> I mean when we update this we'll have to
[53:52] coordinate with them to see if they
[53:54] changed their but at the time this was
[53:56] done that's what conflicted or overlap.
[53:59] >> So we talking about periwinkle right
[54:01] because those could both be considered
[54:02] light blue. Yeah.
[54:04] >> To me, there's the larger areas are
[54:07] purple and the small area is blue.
[54:11] >> Okay.
[54:11] >> It's the small area.
[54:14] >> The small the small area. To me, the
[54:17] same thing would apply down where those
[54:19] farms are though.
[54:20] >> Is it closer to Blair or this shirt?
[54:23] >> Yeah.
[54:25] Wherever Wherever Dave was showing those
[54:28] the farms, it's the same thing is
[54:31] there's
[54:33] they're I mean they're up there with
[54:34] dual wheel tractors all the time running
[54:36] them. I mean it's it's it's huge. It's
[54:39] several hundred acres of ground that
[54:41] could be something that's
[54:42] >> it's beautiful.
[54:43] >> Yeah.
[54:45] >> So what do you think residential up
[54:46] there? No, I I really don't have the
[54:48] answer to it. But I just think if we're
[54:50] going to I mean if you you start talking
[54:52] about how constrained we were on a
[54:54] budget this year.
[54:55] >> Yeah.
[54:56] >> Wait till the next budget cycle.
[54:58] >> One thing that always consider if we're
[55:00] going to do anything but open space up
[55:02] there access
[55:09] and there's no way to really get a road
[55:10] up there that's not going to create a
[55:11] beer conversation about
[55:14] >> more transportation getting in flight
[55:16] until it's it spirals out of control.
[55:18] You got to understand I services.
[55:21] >> I don't I don't disagree and
[55:23] >> that's why planning commission had that
[55:24] discussion, but I'm actually not scared
[55:26] of that discussion. So I I think that's
[55:28] it's fine. I did that people want a
[55:30] handcuff.
[55:32] >> I mean I think we're we're I mean when
[55:34] you're talking property taxes
[55:37] where we're going to be at in a few
[55:38] years on budgets, unless something
[55:40] drastically changes, you're you're
[55:42] talking major property tax increases.
[55:45] So, um, tied into your recommendation,
[55:49] >> I want to talk about the road.
[55:51] >> I knew you would. That's why I
[55:52] >> absolutely [laughter]
[55:56] I do. I want to talk about it because,
[55:58] you know, we have people that are
[56:00] concerned about access.
[56:01] >> Okay. But also people that are concerned
[56:03] about discussion for planning
[56:04] commission. [laughter]
[56:06] >> So, yes, it's on your agenda.
[56:12] » I'm going to shoot it down. you put it
[56:13] on there
[56:14] >> and it's already in there. People have
[56:16] already decided. I mean, it's kind of I
[56:18] mean go from one general plan to the
[56:20] next. My question on what you're talking
[56:22] about though is I'm more wondering what
[56:24] the ROI is to take all of our
[56:26] infrastructure and move it up there. If
[56:27] they especially want to put a type of
[56:29] housing or or light construction other
[56:31] than what's going
[56:33] >> up there if they're going to develop it,
[56:34] they have to
[56:36] >> Well, in our general plan, it actually
[56:37] says that we'll pay like 50% of it. So
[56:40] maybe
[56:41] >> I don't recall that%
[56:43] of the cost to get the but
[56:48] that
[56:51] » Brandon says no
[56:55] » I have to go see if I can say it out.
[56:57] >> I was really kind of confused on that
[57:00] over on that side but it says we're
[57:01] going to support the infrastruure. So,
[57:02] we got about 5 minutes and then we've
[57:04] got a better page 9 or excuse me, line
[57:07] 9:15. Financing for infrastructure
[57:09] expansion would primarily be carried by
[57:11] developers of these properties. There
[57:13] may be need for the city to participate
[57:15] in the financing of some facilities to
[57:17] improve service to an existing
[57:19] development existing. So,
[57:22] >> horizontal development. Yeah. Well, you
[57:24] you're familiar when when we if you have
[57:28] if we have to upsize
[57:30] >> to plan for future development, we do
[57:32] that all over time. I think that's all
[57:34] that's said.
[57:34] >> Yeah.
[57:35] >> So, if we have to be there in five
[57:37] minutes, the other one is the
[57:39] >> our transportation. [clears throat]
[57:42] >> I there are some things on that that
[57:44] need to be up.
[57:45] >> They're just out of
[57:46] >> but they're pretty just
[57:47] >> Is there a way to summarize those and
[57:48] put them in money?
[57:50] >> I think good. Sure.
[57:55] >> I mean, because there's some roads that
[57:56] have been stopped and cut off and moved
[57:58] elsewhere.
[57:59] >> Roads that have been created and culacs
[58:01] and all sorts of stuff.
[58:03] >> Well, in like 9 925 needs to be
[58:06] realigned.
[58:07] >> Those kind of things I was getting in.
[58:09] So,
[58:09] >> the problem we have in the city is the
[58:10] east west access
[58:13] south drive is the only east west access
[58:15] between 1900 and and 75. There's no
[58:19] other way.
[58:19] >> We're getting very close. Yeah.
[58:22] We need to look at the east west
[58:26] side
[58:29] connects
[58:33] property.
[58:34] >> It's finally going to push through.
[58:38] >> Where is that connecting up on the east
[58:39] end?
[58:41] >> Connects to uh
[58:43] >> 8300.
[58:44] >> The road becomes right along the edge of
[58:45] the hill over there.
[58:49] 7600 Southw
[58:52] drive.
[58:52] >> I don't know.
[58:54] >> It's [clears throat] just the top of
[58:55] 1900
[58:56] >> top of 1900.
[58:58] >> Okay,
[58:58] >> that now will go through
[59:00] >> punch on three will come out here.
[59:02] >> I understand
[59:04] all elementary school kids.
[59:05] >> It's not definite.
[59:09] » Just go on that.
[59:09] >> May I summarize what I've heard so far?
[59:12] My notes are good on what's in the scope
[59:15] and what's just been talked about but
[59:16] didn't make the on the list. So, first
[59:20] I'm going to say these are definitely
[59:22] the items that I I saw everybody said
[59:25] yes or nod your head. We want them on
[59:27] the list. So, both cloud areas,
[59:30] entrances to the city with the sub
[59:32] question of how and where commercial
[59:34] goes, how far it goes, uh city center
[59:37] idea, any undeveloped property, the
[59:40] evergreen annexation questions, and the
[59:43] transportation map based on Brandon's
[59:46] recommended sections. other items that
[59:48] were discussed that I didn't feel a
[59:50] consensus. So tell me if it's included
[59:53] enough. They just say yes or no. They
[59:56] can ask that be ready to do it. I just
[59:58] wanted to clarify on the road sections.
[1:00:01] Are you wanting me to make
[1:00:02] recommendations on how to update that or
[1:00:05] simply just point out this area needs to
[1:00:07] be updated?
[1:00:09] >> Can you do both?
[1:00:13] » I'm just a little hesitant on road
[1:00:15] >> for a small C.
[1:00:19] one connect.
[1:00:21] >> I'm I'm fine to say what I give you my
[1:00:24] first flush of what's
[1:00:26] >> what I think we should plan for
[1:00:28] >> in the end. You do that anyway. So the
[1:00:30] planning commission and then look at
[1:00:32] your recommendation and then their
[1:00:34] recommendation.
[1:00:36] >> So I'll do it.
[1:00:38] >> Um so yes or no the concept of rogue to
[1:00:43] lady.
[1:00:44] >> No. Sure. Yes. Yes.
[1:00:48] >> I feel like we have to talk about it.
[1:00:49] >> Yeah.
[1:00:51] >> To talk.
[1:00:52] >> I'm just talking. I just heard that
[1:00:54] verbally and it was mixed. So, raise
[1:00:56] your hand. Three. If it's at least talk
[1:00:59] about it, we can talk. We can talk.
[1:01:01] >> You're still a minority in the room.
[1:01:04] >> Raise it high and hold it so we can see
[1:01:06] what Yes or no? Yeses. Yeses.
[1:01:09] >> Okay. Any
[1:01:16] Then yes, the road to lighten will be
[1:01:18] discussed by the planning commission.
[1:01:21] >> It's just a discussion that it's our
[1:01:23] job. I feel like that part of our plan.
[1:01:27] >> Okay. Gravel pits was brought
[1:01:32] to
[1:01:34] >> I think the discussion on the gravel pit
[1:01:36] can happen. I just think that we can't
[1:01:39] do anything with it until we find an
[1:01:40] alternative for me. So yes to gravel pit
[1:01:48] » the question I was ask for this time
[1:01:50] around no
[1:01:52] >> is there anything on the general plan
[1:01:53] that concerns you right now
[1:01:55] >> about the gravel pits if there's not if
[1:01:58] you go like well like to your point it's
[1:02:01] pretty unknown we do you do want to show
[1:02:04] something I like the idea of the future
[1:02:06] reszones to apply pressure that ahead
[1:02:13] I like I mean I like discussing it for
[1:02:16] that from that point of view that we
[1:02:18] could
[1:02:19] >> if we can convince somebody that it's
[1:02:21] worth their time and effort to convince
[1:02:23] them to
[1:02:25] >> move on.
[1:02:27] I think that's worth it to
[1:02:28] >> Yeah, I I see some urgency. Okay.
[1:02:30] >> I think that's the only way things move
[1:02:32] forward with
[1:02:36] >> it future. Yes. um commercial section on
[1:02:41] the east of 89.
[1:02:42] >> Yes. The old propert
[1:02:46] >> including my house.
[1:02:52] » I think you should future the future.
[1:02:55] What was that? What was that thing
[1:02:56] going?
[1:02:57] >> Be very
[1:03:02] » dusty fighting Indiana.
[1:03:04] [laughter]
[1:03:06] uh the conversation about by zoning or
[1:03:09] where our transitional light industrial
[1:03:11] did we want to revisit that or were we
[1:03:13] comfortable with it and expensive
[1:03:15] >> I think leave that one alone
[1:03:18] >> uh the sensitive lands map
[1:03:22] we want to revisit the sensitive lands
[1:03:26] map
[1:03:27] >> okay that is part of the story
[1:03:30] >> last
[1:03:31] >> uh the last one that I had was the idea
[1:03:35] have overlays for specific areas for
[1:03:37] example fires zone or windy areas or did
[1:03:40] that fall within the sensitive lenses or so those were the
[1:03:46] question
[1:03:48] I had one other one question are we
[1:03:50] still a hump for um
[1:03:55] adventure up in the mountains because
[1:03:59] last time I read the general plan that's
[1:04:01] all it says is that we want to be
[1:04:03] >> yeah that we want to be a center for old
[1:04:06] fishing
[1:04:07] >> youngs decided to go and build
[1:04:09] elsewhere. So
[1:04:10] >> he said adventures first stop
[1:04:16] you got to have
[1:04:18] >> okay we need to get into council so
[1:04:20] let's look for a motion to adjourn
[1:04:22] salute.
[1:04:23] >> All in favor say I.