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» Are we ready? Everybody ready?

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>> Can you guys all turn your mics on?

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» Yo yo.

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>> All right. We like to welcome everybody

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to the planning commission meeting um

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for South Weaver City on Thursday, July

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9th, 2026. Um starting at 6 pm. Um first

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thing we're going to start with is the

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pledge of allegiance led by Commissioner

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McFaten.

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I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Thank you for that.

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I'm going to go ahead and just open up

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our public comment period. Um, and we

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ask that you please be respectful to the

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following guidelines. Um each individual

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can speak for anywhere um from one to

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three minutes uh or speak once for up to

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three minutes or less. Uh please do not

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make comments from the audience. And if

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you wouldn't mind stating your name and

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your city of residents and please direct

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comments to the entire commission

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knowing that we will not respond to any

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questions that are asked. Um the time is

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now yours for any public comments that

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you would like to make.

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>> Hey, and seeing as there's no public

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comments, we're going to go ahead and

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close that section of the agenda and

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move straight on into the consent

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agenda. Um, we have the June 11th, 2026

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minutes. Um, are there any comments or

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remarks from the commission?

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>> No. Um, I had two and one of them was

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just part of our discussion was based on

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that handout that you gave us, um,

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Lance, that was never included in the

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packet and I didn't see that being added

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as an amendment to the packet. Is there

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a way just because a lot of our

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conversation was referencing the

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numbered items on that original list, I

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just would really like to see that added

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to this the meeting minutes as an agenda

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um, amendment. Is that okay? Perfect.

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the agenda it's referencing the road to

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Leighton and part of the conversation

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was trying to call it something else.

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>> north south access.

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>> North south actions southw connectivity

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inner city connectivity. I don't know

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what we need to call it. I just I don't

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like seeing road.

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>> in the notes,

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the minute a reflection of what we

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talked about.

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>> True.

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>> And we talked about what

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editing it to what we want. You know

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referenced that it's not a latent

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connection. It is a south Weieber north

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south but I also think it was east west

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remarks. Otherwise I think everything

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» and nothing else.

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>> Okay. And then I ask for a motion on

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that agenda.

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>> I'll move to approve the consent agenda

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from June 11th 26. Minutes as presented.

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>> No things that I requested.

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>> You want both? Wait. item on that last

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action items or the items for the

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general amendment general plan

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>> that clear?

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>> Okay. All in favor?

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>> Okay. Um next item on the agenda is we

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have a cup for an external accessory

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dwelling unit. um which is E A DU um on

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413 acres at 1974 East um 7775 South. Um

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property is currently zoned residential

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low and it does allow for an external

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accessory dwelling unit um per the land

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use matrix and the proposal is for one

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ft residential building um that will be

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used as an accessory dwelling unit. Um,

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and Lance, do you want to kind of talk

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>> Yes. I I it's pretty straightforward.

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want to add this unit in the back. The

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architecture matches. It meets the the

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lot meets the requirements coming

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through all those elements for the

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internal accessory dwelling unit and

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it it meets everything. Um, I do have a

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conditional approval that I'd like to

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request that they need to provide one

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more parking space that could either be

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to the side of the house or put the

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driveway in back.

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cannot be in the front setback of the

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structure. We can't we don't have can't

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count the front 25 ft as a part of the

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space. So, it has to be outside of that.

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>> Is one more parking space sufficient if

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it's a two bed?

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>> That's what's required by your required

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>> single family homes are required to have

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>> Those would be the two in the garage

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>> any accessory dwelling unit requires

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additional.

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>> The only other thing that would be a um

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when they get the permit and stuff is

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that our code says that has to be cement

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or asphalt. on the surface.

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>> The driveway.

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specifically on the Just checking.

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>> Does it say what the driveway has to be?

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>> It says hard surface, cement or asphalt.

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>> A very big backyard.

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looks like some of the neighbors have

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some pretty large sheds that are about

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the same approximate size. Um, I like

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that this one is actually set more

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interior to the yard. So, at least it's

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not right directly abuing um the

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property line. So, there gives some of

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that easement space. So, I appreciate

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education information you call? Yeah.

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>> Anyway, uh we South Weaver City Code and

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I point this out because it's quite low.

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foot from the property line. Should they

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stay out of any easements that they

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would incur on most lots? Yes, they

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>> We require one foot. So, that's what

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very unique.

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>> I think me and my neighbor actually

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share the same foot between our two

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sheds.

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>> Did they know the meeting was happening

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tonight?

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>> Ask your questions. Bring your comments.

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appropriate uh uh use of this code uh

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for an AEDU. Um

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and I I I'm very grateful for the city

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staff and um digesting

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the requirements and and compliance to

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it. Um, I guess the only thing that um

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this extra parking stall uh need to be

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uh highlighted and mentioned in this

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approval or is that in a following step

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because this is just a conditional use

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permit for the building.

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you add I guess the the practice in Utah

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requirement and we wouldn't issue a

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building permit for this without them

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showing a new site plan that says this

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space to actually go in. But it's it's

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kind of an abundance of communication

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and letting everybody know.

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on the current site. The current site

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plan has to change.

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>> It does say on the agenda yet though,

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but they did mention it or whoever

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mention

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>> they need to add one and it's not on the

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current site plan. So

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assume that city council will see that.

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>> You guys are the final approved ones.

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>> vision. Yeah. To be able to see that it

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was on there. So,

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>> can you continue a conditional use

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permit till those changes are made and

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we can review it or no?

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>> it's a procedural. That's what I'm

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asking for.

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>> But it's that's a very minor thing I

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>> Yeah. To make them wait another month so

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thing today. Just I think we can

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accomplish the same thing today by just

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stipulating this is approval pending

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conditions.

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>> I have a question and you've obviously

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met with the applicant and the owner and

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everything. Have they specified why

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they're wanting this external accessory

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dwelling unit? Do you know?

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>> I don't know.

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>> Yeah, we'll send the code.

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>> My my question is it for extended family

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or is it to be used as a rental is what

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I'm trying to understand.

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>> Um

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might be on their narrative. I don't

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think they've said

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>> and part of the reason and you just

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pointed that out and I didn't realize

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it. The project name

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is, and I apologize if I butcher this,

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Quarante South, we retire and service

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center.

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>> That's a staff report typo.

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>> Okay,

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>> I throw one of those in every time

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>> just to see if we're reading it.

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Well, I had no idea that was a typo. I

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just thought it was a some sort of

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>> blue.

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>> Yeah. Some sort of entity

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tire and service back there.

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>> What's What's supposed to be there?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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>> So, it is not a tire and service.

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>> Thank you for the record. I appreciate

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that.

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>> Okay.

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>> Please get that.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Sorry.

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>> Okay.

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But does mind bringing that up like in

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ter if it's family member that this is

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intended for or somebody that's going to

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be a more long-term type living

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>> residence versus rentals where you might

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have turnover. You might have I don't

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know.

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>> Is that something we need to consider?

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>> No,

323
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>> I don't think it's something you can

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consider. It's not shouldn't be looking

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at that.

326
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>> That's not even on our perview.

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It's not to

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>> strike all that from the conversation.

329
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>> We do get into that into a lot of

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conversations that go into the well,

331
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we're just curious. We'd like to know

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what's going on.

333
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>> But really, we shouldn't even we're not

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basing any decisions on

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>> Okay.

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>> who's living there or anything like

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that.

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>> This is it fast.

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>> Use permit for the land use.

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>> All

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that's right.

342
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>> All right. Well, with that, any other

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questions, comments, input?

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>> No. And I would change on this project

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information. It says general plan use

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classification is commercial highway. I

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maybe change that to I don't think

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that's correct.

349
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>> Yeah, that stays residential low.

350
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Correct.

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>> Correct.

352
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Yeah.

353
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>> So, does anybody want to

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take this one on?

355
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>> I will.

356
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>> It's not going to council. You're either

357
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approving, continuing, or denying.

358
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>> I move to

359
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>> Yeah. I move to recommend to the city

360
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council. No.

361
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>> So that's that's wrong. Yeah.

362
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>> I move

363
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>> just recommend to approve

364
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>> to approve

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>> the conditional use permit for an ex

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external accessory dwelling unit on a

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0.413 acre property located at 1974 East

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770 uh 7775 South. The property is zoned

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RL residential low and external

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accessory dwelling units are permitted

371
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through the conditional use permit

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process under the city's land use

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matrix. This proposal consists of

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constructing a 1,62 ft accessory

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dwelling unit. Um,

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and I do this with the condition that a

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hard surface parking uh

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>> driveway hard surface driveway is is

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added

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>> and the one more parking space.

381
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>> That's right.

382
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>> Well,

383
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>> that's the condition

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>> for one more parking space.

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» Do we like that verbiage? Michelle, do

386
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you want to maybe read that back just so

387
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we can all hear it?

388
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>> The last part.

389
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>> I I um with the condition that a hard

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service cement or asphalt parking space

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be installed to the side or rear of the

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primary building.

393
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>> Nailed it.

394
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>> Okay. And who seconded that?

395
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>> Is anyone seconding?

396
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>> I second it.

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>> And then roll call vote starting with

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Commissioner McFaden.

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>> Yes.

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>> And I'm a yes.

401
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even though they're not here.

402
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Um, okay. So, moving on. Do you need

403
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time to write anything? You good,

404
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Michelle? Okay. Um, discussion items.

405
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Looks like we've got some general plan

406
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discussion happening tonight. So, I will

407
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turn that over to Lance.

408
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So, I think we're continuing on and um

409
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we had the work session uh the joint

410
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work session

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and we want to look at a few amendments.

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We talked and got a little more in depth

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on some of these. I've tried to

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summarize them here um and kind of cut

415
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down to the nitty-gritty.

416
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Here's what I think I'm hearing from you

417
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all and make sure we get it all.

418
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>> Could we scroll these screens up to the bullet points?

419
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Are these in the packet?

420
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>> Yeah. Oh, no. What's that? Okay. So, so

421
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we've got those issues and then uh I had

422
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a phone call with Marty and brought up

423
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that maybe everybody doesn't understand

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and I think it's a very common thing

425
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that people

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the process for a general plan amendment

427
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it is not a it's an open process. It's

428
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very u

429
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it's meant to be an open discussion and

430
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get lots of public input. Um and I know

431
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that based on other people have said

432
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Gary's leaving and things like that that

433
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the last time that the city did his

434
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general plan amendment or general plan

435
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it was kind of contentious and and harsh

436
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and we don't need to be that way. We

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want to and I don't think anybody really

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is. I just think we've got

439
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but um so this is just meant to be a

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general overview of the process so that

441
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we can um

442
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you know everybody can see that hey

443
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we're going to walk through this I'll

444
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get a I'll get a chance to look at it

445
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here here and here and um and so that's

446
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this is very high level it's not in

447
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depth but um for amendments this is

448
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would be good if we were I actually had

449
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a scope written up for a whole general

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plan amendment but um obviously ly we're

451
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just doing amendments, so I think we can

452
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shorten it and just get to these. Um, so

453
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we had the agend the work session to get

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the direction. You guys had a meeting

455
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last month. You'll have a meeting this

456
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month to further refine those

457
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amendments. My hope is tonight that we

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pick a couple for me to work on, come

459
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back with a draft, and you guys can pick

460
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it apart at the next meeting,

461
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and then make a recommendation to go

462
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forward. Um, I threw in an open house

463
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for the community to look at draft

464
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amendments. That open house might be um

465
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a bit much for an amendment, but

466
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depending on what the amendment is, a

467
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north south road down the road um

468
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would be, you know, maybe we do want to

469
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have an open house for that amendment.

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And that's the opportunity there would

471
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be to give people more chance.

472
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a public hearing or a public meeting.

473
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Very hard to have a good dialogue and

474
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discuss things. And so it would just be

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here's the information, staff's here, uh

476
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planning commissioners are here. We

477
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let's talk about it. Let's answer

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everybody's questions. U and at least

479
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most of the uh general plan amendments

480
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processes that I've worked on over the

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years. We also have written comments. So

482
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there's there's however you want to

483
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communicate to us, you can. And then the

484
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,120
outcome of that would be here's staff

485
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would write up a summary of here's what

486
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we heard. Here were the top 10 concerns.

487
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We also heard these other things and and

488
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it's reflected back and and at least

489
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explain. Now not everybody's going to

490
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agree, of course, but it's an open

491
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process and it's a back and forth so you

492
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at least understand why

493
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the options are being looked at the way

494
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they are. you know,

495
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who knows wherever the issue is. Maybe

496
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,279
it didn't move forward, but at least

497
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you'd have that discussion. And so I and

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I think that that's a good step that we

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need to have in this depending on the

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amendment that we do. And then it would

501
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,159
just go to a public hearing which is

502
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:04,480
advertised. It's on the web.

503
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,760
>> I'll comment again

504
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,279
>> and and so that would be a public

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00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,640
hearing to amend the general plan.

506
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,480
Um, you guys of course will deliberate

507
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that and then make a recommendation to

508
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the city council who makes the final

509
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,000
determination. Um, I just I just drafted

510
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,279
this really quick to kind of give

511
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,600
everybody an idea of the process. Lots

512
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
of opportunity. Um, does that kind of

513
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,399
hit with what we were talking about?

514
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:32,080
>> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um,

515
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,000
yeah, spot on.

516
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,360
>> Okay, good. for the open house. Do we

517
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have kind of I know obviously right now

518
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,240
we're still in like the planning

519
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,760
commission discussion and development of

520
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,000
the draft amendments. Do we have kind of

521
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an idea of when we're thinking that

522
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timing like month is it really just

523
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dependent upon how

524
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>> depend how we go and

525
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,480
>> we're not under any time frame pressure

526
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,559
to like if this isn't done by this date

527
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,720
then we're in trouble with anybody like

528
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,679
statewise the

529
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:03,360
>> current the current general plan meets

530
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,520
state code. Okay,

531
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,360
>> double check. I'm double checking that

532
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320
checklist through

533
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480
>> confident, but we the size the city we

534
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,000
are, the things that we're doing. We did

535
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do the updates for moderate income

536
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,440
housing and things like that. So,

537
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,039
hopefully we've we've hit all those

538
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,039
things. I believe we have, but we'll

539
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,200
double check go through it, make sure um

540
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,799
in case we need to do it. Uh

541
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,200
so, and then we have all these these

542
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,679
items. Let me just at a higher level um

543
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:40,960
grant um I guess staff is going to look

544
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,080
at um just the maps in general and do a

545
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,159
general update on them and then bring

546
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,520
those back to you guys and

547
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,840
so you can look at it say yeah that's

548
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,760
you know are is everything we want to

549
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,000
represent here on here and we have the

550
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,880
five general plan maps the projected

551
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,640
land use transportation active

552
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,000
transportation sensitive lands

553
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,120
annexation. So,

554
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,919
thank you. So, I think that's

555
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:15,760
I think staff can take a stab at that

556
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,679
first. If Well, I I'll say it this way.

557
00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:20,320
Are you okay if staff takes a a shot at

558
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,039
that, throws it in there, does what we

559
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:24,960
think based on just kind of update those

560
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,640
things. It's not going to be big policy

561
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,240
shifts or changes. It's going to be just

562
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,919
adding more detail and refining it and

563
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:33,200
then bringing it back to you guys.

564
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,720
>> I don't have any problem with that. Do

565
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,039
>> That's I'm in favor of that.

566
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,240
>> Especially because I think you're going

567
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,080
to have the most accurate information in

568
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,399
terms of getting those maps updated with

569
00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:44,080
Brandon to be reflective of what's

570
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,159
happened in the last five years since

571
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:48,240
we've done one of these updates. So

572
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,080
yeah, I'm go forth and do

573
00:31:52,080 --> 00:32:00,630
Brandon's like, "Yay!"

574
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,029
» Hopefully it should go pretty easy.

575
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,279
» Yes.

576
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,080
>> Brian, what should

577
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,559
my my plan is to just show side by side

578
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,240
like this is what it was. This is what

579
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,640
it is now. um kind of zoomed in areas,

580
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,000
any area, anything that I perceive to be

581
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,320
controversial kind of thing, then I

582
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,320
would just say

583
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,760
this is up to you to

584
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,519
>> what would you like to see here? And I

585
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,440
actually do I appreciate that. I think

586
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,960
it's going to be good to show this is

587
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,919
what we had. This is what the new map is

588
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:39,120
kind of showing. And also, you now get

589
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,200
to decide and weigh in, give us your

590
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,960
opinion. especially for those open

591
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,720
houses. I know one of the things I

592
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,159
remembered from the last time we went

593
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:47,600
through this when it really was a big

594
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,919
process was that openhouse meeting where

595
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:52,720
we had the maps and you could literally

596
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,640
go and you could talk to city council

597
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,000
members, you could talk to you, you

598
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,440
could talk to the planning commission

599
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,120
and you could just engage in a

600
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,200
conversation and I felt like that was

601
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,200
very helpful because a lot of people

602
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,240
their questions were just misinformation

603
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,000
and not fully understanding things and

604
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,559
by having that dialogue it cleared up so

605
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:12,240
much of what they were maybe coming in

606
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,000
frustrated it to be like, "Oh, that's actually not so bad." Like, you

607
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,080
actually have addressed my concern. So,

608
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,200
I I'm good with that.

609
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,039
>> 100%.

610
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,919
Absolutely.

611
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,440
>> A followup question. Sometimes

612
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,240
it's not very helpful

613
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,720
if there's just a well, we need to do

614
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,960
something here. What do you want to do?

615
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,159
Mhm.

616
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:39,919
>> Um,

617
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:42,399
I'm okay as long as you tell me to do

618
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:43,440
this

619
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,240
>> to list maybe a couple of different

620
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,840
options of things that may be something

621
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,880
to entertain.

622
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,440
>> Brilliant.

623
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,000
>> So that then you that would foster like

624
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,519
I like this, I don't like that. Or you

625
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:56,640
can say I don't like either of them.

626
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,279
That's fine.

627
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,200
>> I actually like that better just because

628
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,640
you can't give them a blank space

629
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,760
because they're not going to know what

630
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,279
code permits. They're not going to know

631
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:04,880
what maintenance. they're not going to

632
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,039
know and understand to that level that

633
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,119
you do. So, if you give them an option

634
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:10,639
and say, "Here's some things that we

635
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,560
know are permitted that we know we're

636
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,320
not going to get in trouble with anybody

637
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,000
for potentially proposing." So, I think

638
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,200
a great idea.

639
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,879
>> I just don't want to be perceived that

640
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:24,639
I'm driving any kind of agenda.

641
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,879
>> There's no agenda. There's you just

642
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:29,119
giving options and everybody can come up

643
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:30,480
and say, "I hate every single one of

644
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,079
them. Give us something else. What would

645
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,399
you like to see here?" So, I I think

646
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:37,200
that could be the nothing or none of the

647
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,200
above can be the other option. I don't

648
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,800
like any of those. None of the above.

649
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,399
>> Okay.

650
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:43,760
>> All right. We'll work on it.

651
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,119
>> Yeah. We could have somebody comes in

652
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,200
and says, "All undeveloped space needs

653
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,560
to be a public park." And you're like,

654
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,480
"Okay, you're uh

655
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,560
>> Yeah, that's me.

656
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560
your taxes are going to go up

657
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,680
>> and you're going to pay the watering

658
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,000
bill to keep it green and usable and not

659
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,359
up and you know fire space

660
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:03,280
>> and uh it's like well you know this is

661
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,640
the and I guess I make that point to

662
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,040
maybe

663
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,720
uh possibly add

664
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,480
uh

665
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,320
cost and benefits to each of those

666
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,920
options

667
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,960
so it makes sense to people because I

668
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,880
mean like like I said like my kids would

669
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040
eat cotton candy for dinner every night.

670
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,560
>> Sure.

671
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,040
>> If you gave him the choice. The choice.

672
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,240
>> Um, that's a really good point, but we

673
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:34,560
might be a little preliminary.

674
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,119
>> Am I asking too much right now? Well, it

675
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,160
would be best to probably hone in on

676
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,960
what the the critical issues are and

677
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,680
then then you can decide,

678
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,160
well, do we really I mean, is this is

679
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
this u

680
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,560
enough of an issue that we need to

681
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,599
really do a deeper dive into and analyze

682
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:56,960
what we should do here?

683
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,280
>> Yeah. um versus me

684
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,599
trying to to maybe guess what those

685
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,920
things would be when it may not be it

686
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,000
may not be an issue for anyone.

687
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,240
>> If if if I if I could maybe simplify the

688
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,079
I guess where we're at like way up here

689
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,480
and kind of bring it down like

690
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,160
essentially it's like do we want to

691
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,640
bring business into the into the uh city

692
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,240
or not? Like that's really the the crux

693
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,000
of all of the general plan appendages.

694
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
>> Or do we just want to be the bedroom

695
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,839
community that we are knowing that in

696
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:36,320
order to pay for and maintain our city,

697
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,240
it's going to be taxes and it's going to

698
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,079
be an increase. And I think that's where

699
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,640
your pros and your cons comes in. And I

700
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,480
obviously I'm not trying to get into one

701
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,800
specific area and like dial in on that

702
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,720
conversation, but in terms of your

703
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,480
options, we've got a lot of land. I'm

704
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,480
not going to reference it, but what

705
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,480
would be viable here? What is an option

706
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,440
that would bring in tax benefits,

707
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,839
hotels, liquor stores, like the things

708
00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:02,640
that actually are going to generate

709
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,880
revenue that really means something to

710
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,440
the city.

711
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,800
>> Yeah. And I think those kinds of

712
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,119
discussions are probably more for you

713
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,359
guys to to talk through. All I'm going

714
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:12,560
to bring

715
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,200
>> like on let's say for the for example on

716
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,960
the uh projected land use map. Um I

717
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,880
don't like on that one in particular.

718
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:21,200
>> Yeah.

719
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,280
>> I don't we just would update that.

720
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,000
There's there's nothing

721
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,160
like we there's not there's no areas

722
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,160
where what's currently there needs to

723
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,560
have some additional decisions made. It

724
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,760
just is more of a do you want to change

725
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,720
any of this kind of

726
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,839
>> a prevent something. We know we don't

727
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:41,119
want this. So

728
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,040
>> right. But the you you guys have to

729
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,680
drive where you feel like those issues

730
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,480
are.

731
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,160
>> Okay. Well, I'm thinking

732
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,720
>> a lot of what I may be talking about is

733
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,400
more like transportation because a um

734
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,000
alignment of

735
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,520
>> a particular thing and how things

736
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,079
connect. Um, of course, this is the

737
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:01,760
general plan. So, it's not like it goes

738
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,480
exactly there, but you you are showing

739
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,599
that we want this to connect to here.

740
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,119
>> Where does this make sense and where

741
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,599
does this provide the most benefit for

742
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,839
again our citizens to get through and

743
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:15,599
navigate our city?

744
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:20,160
>> Right? So that's where um I I have

745
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,720
probably some suggestions of some things

746
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,480
that you can just look at and say,

747
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,320
"Yeah, we like it or we don't." And then

748
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:26,960
>> perfect.

749
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,240
>> Um but it it probably will be mostly the

750
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:35,280
transportation map because I think all the others are things. It's like,

751
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,160
well, nothing's really broken unless you

752
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,800
think broken and you want to fix some

753
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,119
areas, you know, like on the um

754
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,839
sensitive lands map.

755
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:49,920
Are do you want to show other things on

756
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,079
there or do you like it being a little

757
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,200
more generic

758
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,320
>> and allowing for, you know, whatever

759
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,520
studies are determined to be necessary

760
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,440
in that specific area rather than

761
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,839
dialing it into a specific one. But

762
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:08,000
those are like kind of a

763
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,920
policy or you know how do how do you

764
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,520
want to see it

765
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,000
>> more

766
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,320
>> kinds of discussions where I'm I I don't

767
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,720
what what we currently have in my

768
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,920
opinion is already really good. So I'm

769
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,839
not going to make any suggestions there.

770
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,359
>> Yeah. Which is fair.

771
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:25,599
>> Yeah.

772
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:26,720
>> And I think you're going to know where

773
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,320
the suggestions are going to be

774
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,359
beneficial and where they're not. So

775
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:33,440
>> Right. So things that that just don't

776
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,960
change,

777
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,240
I'm not showing anything, right? If just

778
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,560
if partial information updates, I'm not

779
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,280
going to show that because that that's

780
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,520
just it's already that way. Mhm.

781
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,200
>> I'm only going to show things that are

782
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,079
like potential changes to what's already

783
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,800
on the current plan because something

784
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,960
has happened,

785
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,520
>> you know,

786
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,119
>> like all of the developments that have

787
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,920
been approved that have had res on now

788
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,880
here, right,

789
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,119
>> with this current zoning. I think that's

790
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,320
helpful.

791
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,720
>> Yes. So, if that all makes sense, that's

792
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,560
that would be what

793
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,240
>> we'll we'll work on.

794
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,560
>> I approve that. you guys.

795
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,880
>> Okay. Thank you.

796
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,640
>> Yeah. Thank you.

797
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,480
Brandon.

798
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,920
>> Hey, Lance, anything else on this you

799
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,440
want to talk about?

800
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,960
>> Switch culture one by one or what do you

801
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,760
want to do?

802
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,640
>> That's what I recommend. Let's just

803
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,320
>> kind of walk down this list

804
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,400
down one or two for next meeting

805
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,640
>> draft.

806
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,400
>> Yeah. Like for example for one I think

807
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,520
for sure I would like the clouds you

808
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,359
know

809
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:48,640
>> I think that's number

810
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,079
>> that's number one

811
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,200
>> that's what

812
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,640
>> that's say perfect yeah that that's an

813
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,240
easy one I think that's yes we want to

814
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:55,839
just do a comparison here it was a cloud

815
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,079
and then now here it's a residential

816
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:58,720
moderate

817
00:40:58,720 --> 00:40:59,839
>> it's this zone yeah

818
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:02,000
>> is what we're recommending

819
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,280
>> is the uh sorry real quick is the 2020

820
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,319
annexation map is that the most current

821
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:10,160
>> yeah

822
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,190
thanks

823
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,720
We good with one?

824
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:15,119
>> I'm good.

825
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,440
>> Does that make sense?

826
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,760
>> Yeah. I say annexation. The southbench

827
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,760
evergreen barlo properties does South

828
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,680
Weaver want to expand? What land uses

829
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,280
and controls would the city need to put

830
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,560
in place? Um do we need studies in terms

831
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,720
of city utility cost viability and land

832
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:31,920
uses?

833
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,440
>> So my question on that more is one you

834
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,440
know what is the benefit to us to get

835
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,599
that? Is there anyone?

836
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,680
But on the flip side, is it benefit us

837
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,520
to get it before Leighton does like for

838
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,520
the north south road or you know like I

839
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,119
don't know if we want to control that or

840
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,160
not, but what could we ever do anything

841
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,319
with it? So that's just like this. I

842
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:55,440
don't know if you know.

843
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,640
>> So um I I have some comments about that.

844
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,030
So um

845
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,079
just broaching the subject uh a little

846
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,560
not prematurely but but kind of diving

847
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,880
into three a little bit. The road you

848
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,680
know some of the options of this

849
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,839
potential access north south access is

850
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:21,200
um to just put in a a number one a a

851
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,079
regular road that has free access or

852
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,359
possibly a toll road. Now um a toll road

853
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:31,839
cannot be managed by a city without the

854
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:34,880
express permission and authority from UD

855
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,000
do

856
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,280
>> and in the example of Adam's uh toll

857
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,280
road uh they have they are operate under

858
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,520
the opaces of the UD do that the UDOT

859
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,480
has given them permission to do that um

860
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,280
but a private company could also manage

861
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,359
a road and so tying that into this

862
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:58,079
conversation about um the annexation of

863
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:02,240
that property. Um a a viable uh access

864
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,920
point that does not, you know, disturb,

865
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,240
you know, huge uh components of of

866
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,040
residential area would potentially go

867
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,480
through that area. and and and and that if we do annex it, that could open

868
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,440
the door to potentially um you know

869
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,680
finding some sort of cross cross access

870
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,280
agreement that allows for them to um

871
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,920
facilitate a road or toll road in in

872
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,280
either case. Um so so yes, the answer is

873
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,440
yes. Um there there is there is some

874
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,520
benefits there. Now granted, I mean

875
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,280
annexation is a costly endeavor and um

876
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,400
what are the cost benefits to that? Um,

877
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,800
I guess a follow-up question to the

878
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,359
staff is is there is is there bandwidth

879
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:52,480
with the city staff to do some market

880
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,079
research to find out um kind of um

881
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,400
possible pros and cons of that

882
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,040
annexation process.

883
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,960
>> Yeah. So after I've reached out to the

884
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,640
Davis County Economic Development and

885
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,680
the Northern Utah Economic

886
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,480
Development Association, NEA, whatever

887
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,680
it is, and we haven't got a meeting set

888
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,160
yet, but they're working on a date. Uh

889
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,839
they're I mean they're experts in the

890
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:19,119
field. They know the market. They know

891
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,200
the demands. And so we're going to have

892
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,400
exactly that conversation, try and get

893
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,440
the experts opinions on what can South

894
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,400
Beaver do to to do that generation.

895
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,319
What's the viability of the annexation

896
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:34,400
area? What's the pros and cons to to

897
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,839
doing exactly that? So,

898
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:37,599
>> have there been conversations with the

899
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:39,280
Evergreen Barlo properties to see if

900
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,880
they even have any interest in being

901
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,680
annexed?

902
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,880
>> They do have an interest. They're

903
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,160
>> they do

904
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,560
>> probably going to submit something at

905
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,240
some point. Of course, they said that a

906
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,800
year ago, too. So,

907
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,319
but it it's it is it's you know, I

908
00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:56,319
talked about a SWAT analysis. that's a

909
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,640
threat or an opportunity hanging out

910
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,119
there for us

911
00:44:59,119 --> 00:44:59,839
>> depending upon

912
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,160
>> depending on where what we want to do

913
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,480
>> and you know cost the benefits the pros

914
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,680
cons

915
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,240
>> at least we control it and we get you

916
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,640
know get something out of it maybe we

917
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,920
don't and they have to connect otherwise

918
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,680
>> well and I want to be really careful

919
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,440
about not having the annexation

920
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,000
conversation also become the the the

921
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,960
transportation connection because I kind

922
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,040
of feel like that always tends to focus

923
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,000
on one area that we already have so much

924
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,920
information and data and reports on that

925
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,560
it's not viable but are there maybe

926
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,560
other opportunities and connection

927
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,800
points that would still make it viable

928
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,560
and I guess that's kind of part of on

929
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,240
number three what I would like to

930
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,359
explore is instead of focusing where

931
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:48,079
previous discussions have been are there

932
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:51,680
other areas less steep less polluted

933
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,079
less controversial less established

934
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:55,119
neighborhoods

935
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,800
that could become a viable connection to

936
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,640
other cities, surrounding cities. I

937
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,000
won't even just say Leon, I'll say

938
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,790
surrounding cities. So,

939
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,640
» yeah, I think that when you reach out to

940
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,240
those people, those will be the key on

941
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,400
this. They're the experts to understand

942
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,280
all that

943
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,480
>> and that's what

944
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,800
>> Davis County Economic Development and

945
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,720
Northern Utah Economic Alliance.

946
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,560
>> Okay,

947
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,240
>> that will be key. It's going to be an

948
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,440
important one.

949
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:31,270
>> Thanks.

950
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,839
» Okay. Any other conversations about

951
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:36,319
annexation? We like that one as

952
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:38,560
>> Yeah. more. Yeah.

953
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,760
>> I think that one will be important

954
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,680
though for this general plan

955
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,800
>> in my eyes.

956
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,920
>> Yeah, that data that's good. like I

957
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,480
think that the city

958
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,280
would expect us to to be um reviewing

959
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,920
those points of data to make the

960
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,839
decision, not just Vibes.

961
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:00,720
>> Um and so I I'm I'm excited about that.

962
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,160
>> Perfect.

963
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,520
>> All right. Number three, we kind of

964
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,960
talked about it a little bit. Is there

965
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,800
anything I think in terms of the review

966
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,280
update the transportation maps um you

967
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,880
know staff review present Brennan's

968
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,760
going to do that the S-curve 475 um

969
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,160
obviously I think the only thing I would

970
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,240
add to that is just making sure that any

971
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,319
roads in approved developments that have

972
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:25,040
also been approved um are represented on

973
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,599
the maps just because there's new

974
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,000
connection points. So that's my only ad.

975
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,599
>> We'll see.

976
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,440
>> Yeah.

977
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,240
Oh, and can Yeah. Just change that

978
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:42,480
B to just be intercity connections. What

979
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,520
do we feel about that?

980
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,079
>> That's good.

981
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:44,960
>> Yeah. North south.

982
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,520
>> North south connections.

983
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,400
>> Transportation connections. Like just

984
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,680
>> access. Yeah.

985
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,880
>> I know people see that and they see

986
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,280
that.

987
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,079
>> Solidify it.

988
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:55,280
>> What do we want?

989
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,960
to call it? Let's name

990
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,480
it right now.

991
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,720
North south connections

992
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,280
>> or or do you want to go more general

993
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,720
like you said transportation

994
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,560
>> transportation connections I like

995
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,680
transportation connection

996
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,079
>> sends a message of it's all open

997
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,880
>> it's all open anywhere any kind of

998
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,640
helping you navigate the city

999
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,160
transportation connections

1000
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,079
>> that's a good general term

1001
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:19,520
>> all in favor say yes

1002
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,960
>> yes it is

1003
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,839
>> that was an unofficial okay um can you

1004
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:26,079
scroll so we can see the next little

1005
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:26,559
topics

1006
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,800
>> my screen doesn't charge.

1007
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,000
>> Well, you're not in charge.

1008
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,160
>> So, right on the um

1009
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,400
>> right on the cusp there is Central Park

1010
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,480
future downtown

1011
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,640
um the downtown core area that we

1012
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,760
discussed uh by the fire station doing a

1013
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,119
master plan for that. Um

1014
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,720
I mean we kind of said that we like the

1015
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,599
idea of it. I think um

1016
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,160
>> is it is it even possible at this point?

1017
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,440
because I know the land is getting kind

1018
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,480
of bought up all around there. Like is

1019
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,760
it even an option? I guess we're going

1020
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,520
to look at higher level without tearing

1021
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,760
down houses and going crazy.

1022
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,280
>> Well, I would like to know what the area

1023
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,040
is because it says

1024
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,240
>> Central Park and then you know future

1025
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,800
downtown and it says what is the vision

1026
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,559
for the area?

1027
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,319
>> What area are we talking about? I would

1028
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:18,559
like that maybe

1029
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:21,359
defined um because then I think you can

1030
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:22,800
kind of go into what are the needs that

1031
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,960
can be met. What are the options? How do

1032
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,720
we master plan? What do we really want

1033
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,200
that area to look like if we actually

1034
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,160
know what section of the city we're

1035
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,520
actually talking about for this item?

1036
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,520
>> Are you wanting Who do you want to

1037
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,680
clarify that? Because I feel like

1038
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,720
u based on discussions I've been in,

1039
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:46,880
it's basically the area between 1250

1040
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,559
East, 1375 East, Lester Drive to South

1041
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:51,200
Weaver Drive.

1042
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,280
>> I think you just clarified it.

1043
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,280
Yeah, that whole block area. That

1044
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,760
doesn't mean you would do like that

1045
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,359
whole block. It just means that's the

1046
00:49:59,359 --> 00:49:59,680
target.

1047
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,920
>> This is the target area that we're kind

1048
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,040
of considering.

1049
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,440
>> It's Central Park, the fire station

1050
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,000
area.

1051
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:06,480
>> Perfect.

1052
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,440
>> Well, and essentially um how that I mean

1053
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,599
how I see that tying into this general

1054
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:12,720
plan discussion

1055
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:17,520
>> Yeah. is that we can recommend saying

1056
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,680
this area.

1057
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,680
We're going to change the zoning of this

1058
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,440
area to be a central business district

1059
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,160
area central business district area

1060
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,520
being defined such as with these these

1061
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,079
provisions. Um so that when those people

1062
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:38,800
with those pieces of land

1063
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,880
>> um are looking at either developing

1064
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,559
their own land or selling it to somebody

1065
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,720
else um they have now some direction on

1066
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:54,720
what could be built there to make it to basically uh

1067
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,240
>> implement that that downtown city

1068
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,240
>> vision to purchase. Does that does that

1069
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:01,920
make sense?

1070
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,000
>> I was going to say almost exactly that.

1071
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,559
We're setting out a vision and and and

1072
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,720
establishing those parameters so we so

1073
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:12,079
as the property develops we can get it

1074
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,079
twist pointed in the direction we want

1075
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:14,800
it to go.

1076
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,359
>> Yeah.

1077
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:16,960
>> So that we don't have something else

1078
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,720
going there that you know once the

1079
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,559
building goes in that's 50 years at

1080
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:26,079
least. Right.

1081
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:27,599
>> Sorry. We're just looking at the area

1082
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,000
trying to Yeah. Okay.

1083
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,119
>> You said 1250, right? 1250 to 1375. Is

1084
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:34,480
that what you said?

1085
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:39,750
>> Correct. Okay.

1086
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,359
» I think that's that's the area. That's

1087
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:42,800
perfect. Yeah.

1088
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,000
>> Then at least now it's defined and

1089
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,200
people know when we're talking about the

1090
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,359
area what we're actually talking about.

1091
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:47,839
>> Yeah.

1092
00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:50,400
>> Instead of just there another place.

1093
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,359
Well, and just to I don't know go maybe

1094
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:55,920
too much, but so what the amendment

1095
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,079
would be, we're looking at this area and

1096
00:51:58,079 --> 00:51:59,599
these uses

1097
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,440
>> and and I put together some, you know,

1098
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,040
here's some commercial viability, here's

1099
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,640
what staff sees as um pros and cons, uh

1100
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,680
issues, you know, and outline that and

1101
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,200
then we come and discuss it with you

1102
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,559
guys. Uh and then we refine it and then

1103
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,400
we take it to the public and say what do

1104
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:17,440
you think here?

1105
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,119
>> And also what's future land use

1106
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,040
designation does align with what we're

1107
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,880
now talking about in terms of doing a

1108
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,760
downtown city center type area. So

1109
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,760
>> there probably be an amendment there.

1110
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,400
>> Um and and on a specific one like this

1111
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,480
where you're getting kind of into the

1112
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,800
actual parcel lines

1113
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,040
traditionally well we would do a meeting

1114
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,880
with the property owners

1115
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,640
>> so they can discuss their concerns. We

1116
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,800
want to reach out to people directly

1117
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,359
affected. Everybody has an opinion, but

1118
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:47,119
when it's actually your land, it's it's

1119
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,079
a little more personal and and and we

1120
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:51,520
would get them in the room.

1121
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,119
>> Well, I think their opinion weighs most

1122
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:54,640
because they're the ones most infected.

1123
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,160
Yes, the city's all going to benefit

1124
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,319
from something like this, but let's not

1125
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:00,240
make it at a negative or a detriment to

1126
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:04,000
the people that are there every day. So,

1127
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,119
okay. Um, anything else on number four

1128
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,240
that you guys see want added?

1129
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,559
think should be taken off.

1130
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:17,589
I think it's pretty good.

1131
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,520
» Um, so number five is sensitive lands

1132
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,079
map. Um, updating the area and criteria.

1133
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:23,599
My biggest thing on this one is just

1134
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:24,720
clarifying what the development

1135
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,079
standards in these areas are supposed to

1136
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,000
be because I feel like it's so vague

1137
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,720
that when we've had developments come in

1138
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,480
that have fallen within the sensitive

1139
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,720
land use, we've not really had the

1140
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,280
direction and known the courses of

1141
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,079
actions that we can take. um in terms of

1142
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,160
specifying mitigation for sensitive

1143
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,800
plants.

1144
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,880
>> Do you want me to

1145
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,880
respond to that?

1146
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,079
>> So there's a

1147
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,160
>> a section of the code

1148
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,720
>> that is for sensitive lands.

1149
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:57,440
>> The map is just simply to say are you in

1150
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,200
or are you out? That's the way it's

1151
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,359
currently used.

1152
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:06,559
And if you're in, then it's up to uh

1153
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,359
geologists and geotechnical engineers

1154
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:12,720
>> to specify what the hazards are present

1155
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:16,240
on that ground and what their

1156
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,800
recommended mitigation measures are and

1157
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,640
that's what we go off of.

1158
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,760
>> Do you feel like that is insufficient?

1159
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,559
So essentially they're the ones that uh

1160
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,720
go in during a developer due diligence

1161
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,640
that says this needs phase one, phase

1162
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,119
two, phase one, two and three uh

1163
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:37,200
remediation or whatever and that comes

1164
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,720
as part of the report

1165
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:44,960
>> if if necessary. the I mean the first report that usually comes back

1166
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,480
um if there's a need for more just will

1167
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,599
identify if there's historically there's

1168
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,920
been you know a landslide in this area

1169
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,359
or evidence of historic landslides or

1170
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:00,880
things like that that date back to you

1171
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,400
know

1172
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,720
10,000 years ago or whatever. Um it gets

1173
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,000
really really ancient in those reports.

1174
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,720
Um

1175
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,480
>> well I've read some. So, so then but but

1176
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,640
if there is something that is more

1177
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,240
recent that is a concern like we rely on

1178
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:24,870
their professional

1179
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,800
uh stamp

1180
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,760
to represent their, you know, they're

1181
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,000
doing their their job versus us

1182
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,960
saying, "Well, we think there's this

1183
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,480
hazard there or whatever." And we

1184
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,760
certainly could raise a concern if we

1185
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,280
don't feel like they have addressed it

1186
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,680
sufficiently, but for the most part, we

1187
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,799
rely on their professional expertise

1188
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:51,119
>> and I know I had a reason for wanting

1189
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,280
those development standards clarified

1190
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,119
and I apologize at the moment. I can't

1191
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:58,480
remember the exact reasons for but I

1192
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,839
kind of feel like in the times like when

1193
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:01,920
we've gotten those reports,

1194
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,160
>> obviously it's paid for by the the

1195
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,200
applicant. We don't really have the the

1196
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,920
insight and even when they say well

1197
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,400
we're gonna do this.

1198
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,799
>> Well, we can the city in the code it

1199
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:16,079
allows for the city to hire a third

1200
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,920
party

1201
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,240
>> that

1202
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:19,839
>> but it's at our expense. Correct.

1203
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:21,200
>> No, it's at the developers expense at

1204
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,440
the developers and they work for us. We

1205
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,240
essentially we pay the developer and

1206
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:31,119
then I mean we pay the

1207
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,760
>> third party reviewer and then the

1208
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,599
developer reimbures the city for that

1209
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:36,240
expense.

1210
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:36,880
>> Okay.

1211
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,760
>> And who I mean who who makes these maps

1212
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,680
or who decides where the map is? Is that

1213
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,839
the geologist?

1214
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:45,680
>> Yes. If you're in or out of that zone.

1215
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,319
>> We did. Yeah. It's a very broad brush

1216
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:50,319
approach. You know, it's just where are

1217
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:53,200
there steep slopes? Where historically

1218
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,880
does it show that there's been, you

1219
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,520
know, like some wetlands or other other

1220
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,240
ground that seems like it's might be

1221
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,440
questionable and then it's just included

1222
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,280
>> because it could be costly for the

1223
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,599
homeowner or someone that develop in

1224
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:09,280
those maps. Correct.

1225
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,920
>> It can be if there's if there are things

1226
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,680
that are identified that need to be

1227
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:14,400
mitigated.

1228
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,640
>> Okay. So, not necessarily your map means

1229
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,079
you have to mitigate it. Just means you

1230
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:19,680
need to look into it. Okay. It just

1231
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,839
means that they they now have to follow

1232
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:26,240
this section of code, instead of this

1233
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,599
section of code.

1234
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,280
>> Okay, that makes sense.

1235
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,400
>> I'm trying to remember. I think this is

1236
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,079
one of the things that Joel brought up

1237
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,720
and I'm curious if he had something

1238
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,920
specific.

1239
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,079
>> Well, I mean, we've got plenty of time,

1240
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,079
so if there's more to be discussed,

1241
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,000
>> keep it on for now and maybe add into

1242
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,520
that that there just needs to be some

1243
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:44,880
discussion because I feel like there was

1244
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,480
a couple council members that also were

1245
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,559
like, "Yeah, we want this on there." And

1246
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:51,200
I'm I'm not recalling their account.

1247
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,079
>> So I can tell you what I remember um is

1248
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,480
that I've seen a number of emails that

1249
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,640
we've been copied on

1250
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,680
>> uh where family members are like,

1251
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,079
>> "How can you sell this property and

1252
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,520
develop this property that is part of

1253
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,319
the super fund uh you know cleanup

1254
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:11,359
>> pollution sites?"

1255
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:15,680
>> Yeah. and and you know it

1256
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,400
like I have not been able I don't have

1257
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,240
the time or effort to to go validate any

1258
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,480
of the claims that are being made.

1259
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,040
>> Yeah.

1260
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,880
>> But you know to a point I I I I am

1261
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,400
concerned about potentially uh there

1262
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,400
being development on you know

1263
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,119
>> polluted ground.

1264
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,480
>> Yeah. Pluto ground.

1265
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,400
>> And what would be our asks because all

1266
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,319
we can do is ask. we can't you know

1267
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:45,680
inspect anything but what would our list

1268
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,839
and I guess standards be for if you're

1269
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:49,440
developing in an area that it might be

1270
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,359
sensitive lands but it might also be

1271
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:54,160
this how do we yeah

1272
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,079
>> well you're you are cities are

1273
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:57,520
responsible for the health safety and

1274
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,400
welfare of the community including those

1275
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,240
who are to come

1276
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,119
>> and so if there are things that that

1277
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:06,799
potentially threaten that like there has

1278
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:10,400
to be some kind of mitigation done

1279
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,359
>> um to rectify that. However, if it's

1280
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:18,240
simply a claim

1281
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,520
but can't be

1282
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,400
>> substantially substantiated,

1283
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,000
>> that's when it gets a little gray

1284
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,280
because now what can you require

1285
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,880
>> if reports don't show that there is a

1286
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,559
substantiated issue there? So then, you

1287
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:36,640
know, I mean,

1288
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,000
>> well, a lot of it goes back to what I

1289
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,280
deal with every day. It's you can

1290
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,400
word disclose

1291
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,280
>> disclosure

1292
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,400
>> and then it's on the other party to then

1293
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,559
confirm validate deni you know what I'm

1294
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:50,160
saying to basically do your due

1295
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,119
diligence

1296
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:51,520
>> right

1297
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:52,960
>> but yeah

1298
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,760
>> I mean we've been operating

1299
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,880
>> though for a lot of years

1300
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,319
uh trying to do the very I say we staff

1301
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:04,319
council planning commission members you

1302
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:07,280
know historically I think I feel has

1303
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,079
done a their their very best job to make

1304
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,799
good decisions for the health, safety,

1305
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:15,280
and welfare of of you know, future

1306
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,599
developments. And

1307
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:19,280
uh some would not agree with that

1308
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:23,680
comment, but I I feel that they've done

1309
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,440
the best that they could with the

1310
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,319
information that they have. Uh moving

1311
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:31,440
forward in that same way, I don't think

1312
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,200
is necessarily a problem.

1313
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,799
>> I would agree with what you explained. I

1314
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,720
think we're fine. I mean, the only thing

1315
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,319
we would do is just confirm that those

1316
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:41,680
areas are still accurate or if they're

1317
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,760
going to be expanded or shrunk, you

1318
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:44,160
know,

1319
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:44,720
>> right?

1320
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,480
>> Yeah.

1321
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,440
>> Okay. Are we good on sensitive lands?

1322
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,280
>> Thanks. Okay. Just just because this is

1323
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,200
a good opportunity to say this is an

1324
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,599
example of we don't we were going to

1325
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,440
look at the sensitive lands map at the

1326
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,119
general plan level

1327
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:01,599
>> and see if it's accurate. If we want to

1328
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,920
get into the code um

1329
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,520
>> different that's a different

1330
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:06,079
conversation

1331
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:07,359
>> and that's a different conversation and

1332
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:08,880
if that's what we need to change fine

1333
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:09,599
but

1334
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:10,079
>> that's

1335
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,839
>> so this the conversations we're talking

1336
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:13,359
about the general plan amendments are

1337
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:15,040
that higher

1338
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:15,920
>> broader discussion

1339
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:16,640
>> get rid of that

1340
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,559
>> not getting into the nitty-gritty

1341
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:19,920
>> should that be then maybe updating

1342
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,520
number five to just say update the area

1343
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,680
and criteria and getting rid of the

1344
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,680
clarify the development standards in

1345
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,359
these areas and having that be part of a

1346
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:29,839
separate not general plan

1347
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:31,520
>> focused discussion.

1348
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,520
>> Yeah, I think it's worth a of look at it

1349
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,599
and that's it.

1350
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:38,640
>> And that would be where

1351
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,799
probably I'd be looking to you to see if

1352
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:43,040
you feel like where you think it needs

1353
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,799
to be changed because

1354
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:46,480
>> you know the general topography of the

1355
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,480
ground and what's existed there for a

1356
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,559
long time I don't think has really

1357
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,200
changed since the 2020.

1358
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,720
So,

1359
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,119
um, if you think that, you know,

1360
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:58,799
something was missed in 2020 or should

1361
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:01,920
be included now or excluded, I I would

1362
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,359
just wait for direction from you.

1363
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:03,839
>> Okay,

1364
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:05,200
>> I like that.

1365
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,319
>> Perfect. Um, we good on that one. Move

1366
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:11,520
on to number six. Um, 2100 East South

1367
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,799
Weaver Drive. This is the large parcel

1368
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:16,400
that goes up the hill. Actually, don't

1369
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,520
doesn't go up the hill. um west of the

1370
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,440
storage units, east of the apartments,

1371
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,359
and then south of residential. That's up

1372
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:29,040
along the B bluff. Not bluff

1373
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,960
>> north of Yes, thank you. North, not

1374
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,000
south

1375
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,160
>> backwards and south

1376
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:39,520
>> south of pits on the east end or on the

1377
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,280
>> south end.

1378
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,880
>> You guys know what I'm talking about.

1379
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,119
>> Can I ask what is plume? What's that

1380
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,119
acronym for?

1381
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:50,400
>> Projected land use.

1382
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,480
>> Oh, thank you. That makes sense. Um,

1383
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,920
what is the best use for the property?

1384
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,200
Balancing community needs, market

1385
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,440
viability, and property owner desires.

1386
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,680
Um, I think this is probably more what

1387
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,599
would you like to see here kind of a

1388
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:03,920
thing. That's obviously it's commercial

1389
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,720
highway. Um, in that zone, we have a

1390
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,640
long list of things that are actually

1391
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,359
permitted. And so if an developer comes

1392
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,520
in and says I want to build this and it

1393
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,160
is a permitted use, we as the commission

1394
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,640
don't really have a lot of say in saying

1395
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,359
no because it's a permitted use. So do

1396
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:23,280
we need to maybe look at that commercial

1397
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,200
highway zone to say is there something

1398
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,960
in here we don't want? Is there

1399
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,720
something the citizens don't want to see

1400
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,000
in South Weaver? Like that's our

1401
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,079
opportunity to maybe do that because I

1402
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:33,839
think this is one of our

1403
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:35,920
>> Isn't this our desert area for like a I

1404
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,520
don't know what they call that? Could be

1405
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:38,720
like a marijuana plant or something.

1406
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:39,920
Don't we have like a designated area?

1407
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,319
The pink area. No, this is No, that's

1408
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:43,599
not behind the

1409
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:44,720
>> That's hidden over there.

1410
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,240
>> Yeah, this is right here.

1411
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,039
>> That's behind the map.

1412
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:49,440
>> So, apartments, that's right here. The

1413
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,000
area you're talking about is right here.

1414
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:52,480
>> Okay.

1415
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,400
>> That's your pink area.

1416
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,549
>> So, yeah. Not here.

1417
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,280
» Just to clarify, the property is already

1418
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,119
zoned commercial.

1419
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:04,640
>> That's what I was saying. So the so

1420
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,680
you're suggesting that there might be

1421
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,680
some consideration on the future land

1422
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,400
use map to suggest something other than

1423
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,680
highway commercial. You're not

1424
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,319
suggesting actually reszoning it.

1425
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:17,920
>> No, I'm not saying reszone it. I'm

1426
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,520
saying make sure that what is permitted

1427
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,599
in our commercial highway zone is what

1428
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,280
you actually want to see there.

1429
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,799
>> But that isn't that more of a code

1430
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:27,839
>> discussion?

1431
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:28,720
>> Yeah, probably.

1432
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,799
>> And to be clear, the storage units are

1433
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:32,400
that pink area as well?

1434
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:32,960
>> They are.

1435
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,160
>> Okay. Okay. The one that

1436
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,440
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, they are.

1437
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:35,920
>> Yes.

1438
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:36,319
>> Okay.

1439
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:37,599
>> It's not forbidden.

1440
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:41,039
>> Transitional light industrialism.

1441
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:44,079
>> You know, people

1442
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:47,349
>> CO

1443
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:49,039
what's zone CO?

1444
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:50,480
>> No, no, no.

1445
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,520
>> If you're looking at CO, that's way old.

1446
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,559
>> Oh, this is

1447
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:55,119
>> that's an old

1448
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:56,960
>> That was the top one

1449
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,549
>> that I looked at.

1450
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:03,200
» No, I swear. See this one? I just have a

1451
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:03,760
map. So,

1452
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,280
>> this one again, it keeps coming up the

1453
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,039
same one every time I click on different

1454
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:07,760
ones.

1455
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,200
>> Anyways, move on.

1456
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,760
>> Your cookies. Yeah, it's your cookies.

1457
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,359
>> Um, I'm fine with that one being there.

1458
01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:15,440
I guess part of it is just

1459
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,440
>> Have we ever had anything? This might be

1460
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:17,839
a

1461
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:20,319
>> that was presented to go there.

1462
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:27,280
>> Church. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Let's see what else was proposed there.

1463
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,400
>> The Cliffords wanted to do a

1464
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,119
ice cream.

1465
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:32,319
>> Oh, yeah. Ice that

1466
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:33,359
>> like a shop.

1467
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:33,839
>> Mhm.

1468
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:35,119
>> Yeah. A little ice cream.

1469
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:36,960
>> The challenge with that property is is

1470
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,319
going to be accessed because the

1471
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:42,559
>> um UD do would not is not going to allow

1472
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,119
a driveway on South Weber Drive

1473
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,680
>> and then you don't have that um hillside

1474
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,400
going up is too steep. Well, it's not I

1475
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,440
mean you it with enough money

1476
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,359
>> I I'm just saying

1477
01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:57,039
>> an access road could be built into

1478
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:58,799
there, but it will it will eat up a

1479
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:01,520
bunch of the property or you put, you

1480
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,680
know, big retaining walls on and you

1481
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,359
could you could build into there. So,

1482
01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:08,799
you it can be done, but it's not going

1483
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:12,480
to come with a a driveway off of South

1484
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,640
Weber Drive. At least not likely unless

1485
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,240
they got an exception, but I don't see

1486
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,079
them granting that. And my understanding

1487
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:20,000
is that those residential properties

1488
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,799
that are up at the top of View Drive

1489
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:24,799
that their property line actually is

1490
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:28,640
that drop down to the bottom. Is that

1491
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,079
correct? Does anyone know?

1492
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,520
>> Um I think it goes down

1493
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,319
>> I don't know exactly

1494
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:33,760
>> down the hillside.

1495
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,799
>> Okay. But they don't have that hillside

1496
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:38,960
to my understanding.

1497
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,240
I could be wrong but I don't

1498
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,440
>> undeveloped ground doesn't

1499
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,359
>> the undeveloped ground kind of back

1500
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:46,079
behind the hillside. The bluff the

1501
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:48,960
>> Yeah. I believe that belongs to all of

1502
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,039
the properties at the top of the

1503
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:54,079
>> they do the the the view not even

1504
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,319
>> the residential homes up on view they

1505
01:06:56,319 --> 01:07:01,680
all go down almost to the base of the toe of the slope

1506
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,960
>> I would say roughly

1507
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,559
>> okay

1508
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:09,760
>> um anything else on number six

1509
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,520
>> I yeah I don't know yeah like you said

1510
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,280
what is what are we looking for just to

1511
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:16,880
make sure that that's what we

1512
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,160
So yeah, I I guess and we I don't have

1513
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,920
an agenda here. I I'm repeating kind of

1514
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,119
what you guys we discussed, but it seems

1515
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:27,680
the key issue on this parcel is it's

1516
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,000
zoned for commercial. It's designated as

1517
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,960
commercial. We want commercial. We want

1518
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,720
to keep that there as an opportunity.

1519
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:35,119
>> Yeah.

1520
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:36,880
>> Uh do we want to change that? Is that an

1521
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,640
amendment we need to keep on this list?

1522
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,799
>> I I say no, but

1523
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:42,640
>> I don't think we want to change it.

1524
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,319
>> Yeah. I I don't think this needs to be

1525
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,720
on the list personally because I mean

1526
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,200
the fate of that piece of land I I don't

1527
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,000
think we are going to do a whole lot you

1528
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,440
know even affecting the margins

1529
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,760
>> with with how this property is going to

1530
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,280
be eventually

1531
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,039
>> we're looking at like all these here

1532
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:02,559
>> do you remember who brought that up when

1533
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:04,880
we had the joint meeting

1534
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,480
>> Joel I don't

1535
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:06,799
>> okay

1536
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:10,079
>> I know he's talked to me before about it

1537
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:10,480
>> maybe

1538
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,880
>> like a fear of a hotel coming in there

1539
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,280
like

1540
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,200
>> I mean it is around residential so that

1541
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,719
might be a concern being across the

1542
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:20,640
street from the condos and houses that

1543
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,070
>> no

1544
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,799
» like like the access to that that

1545
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:27,359
property

1546
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:28,880
>> I think the access is what's going to

1547
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,719
kill it you could never put anything on

1548
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:31,199
there

1549
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:31,839
>> absolutely

1550
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:34,000
>> and there's no way you do would consider

1551
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,759
uh South Drive

1552
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:37,839
>> I mean the best

1553
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:39,839
>> like like the best land use for that in

1554
01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:42,719
my mind although it may not be popular

1555
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:45,920
is to find out if whatever storage unit

1556
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,359
company is there wants to expand it.

1557
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,759
>> Want a little background on that one?

1558
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:53,839
>> I would absolutely like that.

1559
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:55,279
>> Story time.

1560
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,600
>> So, uh, Bright Lock purchased those.

1561
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:58,799
They've been working with us really

1562
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:00,239
good. They had had two bright lights

1563
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:01,920
when they came in. They worked on it,

1564
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,839
got down. Uh, they've been very

1565
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,400
responsive. They are getting pummeled by

1566
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:07,440
sand.

1567
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:08,480
>> Is that what's happening?

1568
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:10,719
>> That they're they can't keep customers.

1569
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:13,199
They are very very very frustrated. We

1570
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:14,799
can't do anything to help them.

1571
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:16,960
>> Is it sand getting into their storage

1572
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,159
units?

1573
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:20,400
>> I've rented one and it was completely

1574
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,319
full of sand. Completely full.

1575
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:23,520
>> So,

1576
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,400
>> and I guess I just

1577
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:27,279
>> what do you do?

1578
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:29,679
>> That property may change.

1579
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:31,359
>> You know, we think sometimes we look at

1580
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:32,719
properties and say, "Well, that's never

1581
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:34,480
going to change." That could change.

1582
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:36,640
Give them an access point

1583
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,560
>> at the right time. This could be it. So,

1584
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,040
what's our long-term vision for this

1585
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,560
corner? What do we want to see?

1586
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,319
>> Maybe keep this one on here only in

1587
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:45,759
terms of, and I don't know, Brandon, if

1588
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:47,040
this is appropriate for you, like what

1589
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,279
are options, viable options that could

1590
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,839
go in that area that match the

1591
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:53,759
commercial highway zone or is that not

1592
01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:55,199
an efficient use of your time?

1593
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:55,679
>> Sure.

1594
01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:57,760
>> I mean, that I I'm I'm happy to do

1595
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,920
whatever. It doesn't don't question

1596
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:05,360
what's viable use. That's fine. Um the

1597
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:06,800
But I think when when you're talking

1598
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,199
general plan level,

1599
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,280
you're really just thinking, well, do we

1600
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,640
want it to be commercial?

1601
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,440
>> Yeah.

1602
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:17,280
>> Or, you know, some kind of institutional

1603
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,480
or residential. And if residential, then

1604
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:21,520
>> maybe that's the conversation.

1605
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,600
>> Higher density or not higher density.

1606
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:24,960
>> It's commercial highway. Do we still

1607
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,719
want it to stay commercial highway or do

1608
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:28,159
we want to change?

1609
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:29,760
>> That's the only That's the only

1610
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,280
question. That's the only real question

1611
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:31,760
for the jacket.

1612
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,440
>> You're just looking at the the land use

1613
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:33,840
map.

1614
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:34,159
>> Yeah.

1615
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:35,679
>> Do you want to change something there?

1616
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:36,960
>> Yeah.

1617
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,400
>> Like that one. No, you're going to have

1618
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,840
to suffer for a second. Go get a jacket.

1619
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,239
>> Can I just interject right here just to

1620
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:46,560
make sure you you all are looking in the

1621
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,239
right places.

1622
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:53,199
If you go to the city's um website

1623
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:56,080
at the at the top there is a dropown

1624
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,640
that says departments.

1625
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,159
When you go down to the very top one

1626
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,280
which says business and planning,

1627
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,360
>> then there's a a link at the bottom that

1628
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,920
says maps. When you click on that,

1629
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,560
there's two sides. One says PDF maps and

1630
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,560
the other says interactive maps.

1631
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,480
>> And then on the interactive maps, it

1632
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,080
gives you a whole bunch of different

1633
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,679
things. Um that's where I would always

1634
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:22,400
go to look at everything because

1635
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,239
>> those the interactive maps are always

1636
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:29,040
updated. Um, the PDF maps are hopefully

1637
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,520
are are also getting uploaded when they

1638
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,840
get changed, but you for sure know

1639
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:34,719
you're right if you're on the

1640
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:36,719
interactive maps. So, just making sure

1641
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:37,360
you know where to go.

1642
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,600
>> I go to the website.

1643
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,080
>> Yeah.

1644
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,480
>> Hey, are we ready to move on? Next one.

1645
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:45,440
Number seven.

1646
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:47,120
>> Well, what was the decision? I heard

1647
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,600
both. Um, we're going to keep number six

1648
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,600
on there, but the question is more going

1649
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,640
to be related to is commercial highway

1650
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,280
or highway commercial the the zone that

1651
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:58,800
we want to stay on the projected land

1652
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,040
use, which is the current land use, or

1653
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,520
do they want that changed to consider a

1654
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:08,320
more residential use or some other use?

1655
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,480
That could be option C. That's what

1656
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:14,320
that's focused on.

1657
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,480
>> That clear? Okay. um gravel pit um

1658
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:20,320
development timeline over 20 years

1659
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,400
determine future uses via market and

1660
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,360
need analysis.

1661
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,640
I don't know why we have this one on

1662
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,199
here only because at this point there's

1663
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:32,320
been no change in activity other than

1664
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,440
gravel pits. Um and if they still have

1665
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,760
the right to develop is am I reading

1666
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,560
this over the next 20 years? Oh, well

1667
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,560
they're right to develop

1668
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,239
>> like are they at their end of use for

1669
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:48,719
the gravel pits? No.

1670
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:51,600
>> My understanding is that it's over.

1671
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:52,800
They've got a long way to go.

1672
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:53,199
>> Exactly.

1673
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,040
>> And they're not in a hurry. They

1674
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,239
continue to use it. I mean, they're

1675
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:58,560
barely mining anything now, I think.

1676
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,360
>> So, it's just a demand thing and that's

1677
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,000
their business operation. I I'll say I

1678
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,199
think that's their business operation.

1679
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:06,480
They're going to hang on to it.

1680
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:07,600
>> They're not going to change it

1681
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:08,800
>> down for the city.

1682
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,159
>> I do too. And I don't think it's going

1683
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,400
to hit in this iteration of a general

1684
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,800
plan update. And so to spend the time

1685
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,120
determining future uses via markets and

1686
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,840
analysis and studies, information is

1687
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,159
going to change over the time frame that

1688
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:23,920
you know the gravel pits continue to

1689
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,760
operate. And I'm not trying to be

1690
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,040
shortsighted. I just don't want to focus

1691
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,000
energy and time unnecessarily.

1692
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,159
>> Been 29 years and nothing has changed.

1693
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:35,760
Well, I think I think the reason it's on

1694
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,600
here is because that is the top of the

1695
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,080
priority list for the citizens, but it's

1696
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,840
not necessarily things we can change. I

1697
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,440
mean, they want we will talk about it,

1698
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:45,040
but all we're talking about is not the

1699
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,560
future use of it.

1700
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,719
>> Well, in terms of general plan,

1701
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:52,640
>> I I can give you maybe a little bit more

1702
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,159
insider information on that because you

1703
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:58,640
guys have all articulated

1704
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,880
general observations as we drive by it

1705
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,560
every day. But I mean, in a past life

1706
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,400
when I was a developer, I did talk to

1707
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,520
those guys

1708
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,320
>> about possibly um them either selling

1709
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:14,719
the property or gifting it. Um and uh

1710
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:18,560
you know, Dak Jenkins was interested in

1711
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,960
uh you know, what what could this

1712
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,560
potentially turn into?

1713
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,600
>> Um that pit is not the only property

1714
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,679
that they can operate out of.

1715
01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:29,280
>> There is also a pit on the other side of

1716
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,960
the freeway. Those are two separate

1717
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:31,920
companies though

1718
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,480
>> there. So

1719
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:38,320
as that is true but um they do have a

1720
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,920
wet mix plant that um sterson does

1721
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:42,800
operate

1722
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,159
>> in the Geneva pit.

1723
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:46,159
>> Yeah. Yeah. on the other side. I'm not

1724
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:47,679
exactly sure where,

1725
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:52,800
>> but um and so so to say that nothing has

1726
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,960
happened, thus nothing will happen, I

1727
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,560
think is I think is not a a a true

1728
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,800
reflection of the of the situation. Um I

1729
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,840
think that uh if given the right

1730
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,159
opportunity uh sticker parsons would be

1731
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:10,880
willing to uh

1732
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:16,560
play ball and and so with that you know

1733
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,000
potential appetite there I think that we

1734
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,840
do have the uh capability of uh you know

1735
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,280
pro you know creating a a general plan

1736
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,440
um you know description

1737
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:34,400
of what we as a city

1738
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,120
envision that pit eventually being,

1739
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,400
which would then, you know, create a a

1740
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,320
an attractive

1741
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,239
environment for somebody to come in and

1742
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:45,920
say,

1743
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,880
"This is what this pick could be. Let me

1744
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,600
go talk to Sticker Parsons about

1745
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,480
possibly doing those things." And that's

1746
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:56,000
exactly what this general plan

1747
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,239
discussion is about. Okay, don't laugh

1748
01:15:58,239 --> 01:15:59,760
at me for saying this, but I was kind of

1749
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,360
chuckling to myself because I think

1750
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,520
maybe for the open house that we hold,

1751
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,080
we have a map of the gravel pits and

1752
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,360
kind of like, you know, the flannel

1753
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,080
boards that we used to have in and you

1754
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,760
have options. You have apartments, you

1755
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,520
have houses, you have golf courses, you

1756
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,840
have all the different things,

1757
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,920
>> flannel board, I'm just saying. And then

1758
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,440
you could actually have citizens weigh

1759
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:21,600
in and say, "Do you like this? Do you

1760
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,440
want do you see residential down here?

1761
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:25,679
Do you see commercial down here? Do you

1762
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:28,239
see? You're looking at me with like what

1763
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:29,600
are you talking about kind of a thing.

1764
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:30,960
No, not you. Lance

1765
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,800
>> both of your faces. You got to hide.

1766
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:33,760
>> Lance is like what is

1767
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,480
>> she got to hide it. My nice.

1768
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,000
>> No, that's your like stop talking.

1769
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,920
>> Julie, to your point, um,

1770
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,280
>> it's not a bad idea.

1771
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,360
>> I've been part of open houses in

1772
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,360
previous areas that I've lived outside

1773
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,480
of Utah. Yeah. where a consulting

1774
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:54,719
company uh gave everybody uh the option

1775
01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:56,880
to put different color postits

1776
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,239
>> to say what they wanted.

1777
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,679
>> Yeah. And and by by by just virtue of

1778
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:03,440
number of postits,

1779
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:04,800
>> you could see what people were

1780
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,480
interested in. And I think that's a big

1781
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:07,840
thing because everybody in the city is

1782
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,239
going to have an opinion about what they

1783
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:11,600
see the future. And yes, you're going to

1784
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,360
see a lake even though people aren't

1785
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:14,800
listening when they say that you can't

1786
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,199
have a lake there. Anyways, you got

1787
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:18,000
going now.

1788
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,760
>> Sure, if you line it, but here's your

1789
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:20,400
soil's not

1790
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,080
>> The bigger discussion is though, are you

1791
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:23,920
gonna want to split this up into like

1792
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,000
residential and like split it up? Right

1793
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,360
now, it's commercial. Like,

1794
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:28,880
>> is it if you're like, well, I want

1795
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,000
residential, I want this. We're not

1796
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:30,719
going to split it up.

1797
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:32,960
>> Do you want it to become a master plan

1798
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,719
community? Do you want it to be like

1799
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:37,360
what um

1800
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,239
down in Lehi with the little pit? Um

1801
01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:42,000
what's that place called? Well, South

1802
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,280
Jordan has day

1803
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,840
>> Thanksgiving point because they've got

1804
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,760
golf courses, they have hiking trails,

1805
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:48,159
they have

1806
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:51,360
>> that was built in a gravel pit. And I

1807
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,880
don't know if most people realize that.

1808
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,560
Is that what you see the future of South

1809
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,120
Weaver's gravel pit looking like for

1810
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,440
options? Telling you, Flounderboard, you

1811
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:00,320
guys are going to come around to the

1812
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:00,719
idea,

1813
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:01,920
>> but I just don't know if we want to get

1814
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,320
into detail of what it could be at this

1815
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,000
point. Like we're going to separate half

1816
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,920
his res. Well, the reasoning being is

1817
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,000
because right now with what it's zoned,

1818
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,440
does our future land use align with what

1819
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,360
maybe most people are interested in or

1820
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,480
could we consider a different zoning?

1821
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,280
>> I would love to get as much of the

1822
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,199
community's input on this as possible.

1823
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:23,840
>> Why not?

1824
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:24,800
>> I love that.

1825
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,159
>> This is their chance to weigh in.

1826
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:26,960
>> Yeah.

1827
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,840
>> So,

1828
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,920
>> I just I just don't know. Yeah. I just

1829
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,159
Yeah. There's not much we can do,

1830
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:35,360
though. like he's saying

1831
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,400
>> as long as it's 100 feet underground

1832
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,560
>> then even then no

1833
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,960
>> so just to help me clarify so I'm

1834
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,159
hearing kind of two camps one is let's

1835
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:48,640
have a big process and discuss this

1836
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,640
using flannel boards

1837
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,320
>> posted notes post

1838
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,440
>> most of them post notes

1839
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:55,040
>> I personally like the little stickers

1840
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,159
but whatever stickers

1841
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:59,199
>> and um and then the other end is this is

1842
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,440
a lower priority it's further out we

1843
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:02,239
don't want to do it this

1844
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:03,199
>> well I just don't know if there's much

1845
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:04,719
we can't I don't want to have this huge

1846
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:06,159
meeting and there's really nothing we

1847
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:06,960
can do about it.

1848
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:07,520
>> I agree.

1849
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:08,640
>> You know, like I just I don't want to

1850
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:09,760
get

1851
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,080
>> I think uh

1852
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:13,040
>> it's two sides of the

1853
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:14,080
>> It's tough, right? Because like

1854
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,640
>> I Yeah, I I don't disagree with what

1855
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,159
he's saying. I just

1856
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:19,600
>> Is now the time to be having that

1857
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:20,239
conversation

1858
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:22,239
>> forward then let's start.

1859
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:23,760
>> How about we keep it on the list, but we

1860
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,600
just This is This one's Let's see how

1861
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,400
the first three or four amendments go.

1862
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,239
>> And then keep this one maybe towards the

1863
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:32,800
end. Well, and and if I could just one

1864
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,360
last comment about this,

1865
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,040
>> you know,

1866
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,159
>> something may not happen for 20 years,

1867
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:44,239
>> but you know, creating like creating a

1868
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:48,640
direction I think is very useful

1869
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,120
>> like and and we may have to

1870
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,440
overcommunicate the fact that that you

1871
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,120
know giving us your preferences doesn't

1872
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,040
mean this is all of a sudden magic wand

1873
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:04,400
going to appear. But what it does is it lets us know what the city wants done

1874
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:05,840
with their city.

1875
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:06,400
>> Yeah.

1876
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,960
>> And you know, in in eventuality, maybe

1877
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,400
it's 50 years from today, but you know,

1878
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,159
the I I I I mean, it's a piece of land

1879
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:19,840
that could be developed in Six Ways to

1880
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:24,239
Sunshine. And this is a general plan

1881
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:24,960
amendment.

1882
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,199
>> How many acres is that? The gravel pits.

1883
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:28,719
Do we know the total acreage on that

1884
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:30,159
one?

1885
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,960
>> And I think that I I think that to your

1886
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,679
point, you've made your point by saying

1887
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:38,080
nothing has happened up until this

1888
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:42,159
point. So we could say that part of the

1889
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:44,880
zoning that's there right now has

1890
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,560
restricted potential.

1891
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,400
>> Should it change? Should it stay the

1892
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,080
same?

1893
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:52,960
>> Yeah.

1894
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:53,760
>> Crosshatching,

1895
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:54,239
>> right?

1896
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:55,760
>> Does it have cross-hatching on that one?

1897
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,640
No, right now it's just all shown as

1898
01:20:58,640 --> 01:20:59,679
>> commercial

1899
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:00,880
>> on the projected landing

1900
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:01,679
>> highway.

1901
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:02,560
>> Commercial highway.

1902
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:12,950
>> Okay.

1903
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,280
I think you've summarized it.

1904
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,199
We're kind of up two things. So maybe we

1905
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:18,960
just need to put a pin in this one for

1906
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,040
now and then leave it maybe at the end

1907
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:22,640
of the discussion to see if we want to

1908
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:23,840
pick it back up. It's not going

1909
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,239
anywhere. It's just

1910
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:28,400
>> this is just to decide whether it should

1911
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:29,360
be discussed or not.

1912
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:29,760
>> Yeah.

1913
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,360
>> And I feel like we've kind of started

1914
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:32,560
discussing it already.

1915
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,000
>> Yeah.

1916
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,960
>> Um let's move on. Just I don't want to

1917
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,440
have us be here all night. Um entrance

1918
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:42,159
to the city is number eight. Um talking

1919
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:45,760
about commercial use north of 2600.

1920
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,360
Um and I believe this is specifically

1921
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,520
the property that was once brought forth

1922
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,080
for like a gymnasium or um something

1923
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,960
like that. um the S curve uses.

1924
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,960
I'm not exactly sure what area that's

1925
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,480
referencing, so I don't know if we can

1926
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,480
maybe give a little more detail on that.

1927
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:04,639
And then obviously talking about 475

1928
01:22:04,639 --> 01:22:10,950
East and Old Fort Road. Um

1929
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,679
Oh, is the S-curve into the There we go.

1930
01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:14,960
Thank you.

1931
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,120
Yeah, it's undeveloped land that's kind

1932
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,400
of

1933
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,880
>> surrounding the next

1934
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,679
>> south west and and then on the other

1935
01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:26,159
side of the street. Okay. And just what

1936
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:27,920
do we want that to look like? What do we

1937
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,360
see there? Do we like the zoning

1938
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,440
currently? Do we like the future land

1939
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:34,080
use zoning for those areas? And is that

1940
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,440
still what we're expecting to see? Is

1941
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:37,040
that kind of the intention with that

1942
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:37,600
item?

1943
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,280
>> I think it is worth a discussion.

1944
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,639
>> I do. It's just so you remember that's

1945
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:44,320
actually property that the city owns.

1946
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,400
>> Yes. On the

1947
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,400
>> west side of the street, correct?

1948
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,360
>> West west of the gravel pits, west of

1949
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:52,400
South Wever Drive.

1950
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,639
>> So on side of South Wever Drive on that

1951
01:22:54,639 --> 01:22:56,159
curve is all property.

1952
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,199
>> Yeah. Well, there's there's a little bit

1953
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:01,199
on the east side of South Weaver Drive,

1954
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:02,560
but most of it is west.

1955
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,639
>> Mostly on the west side. Okay.

1956
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:07,440
>> That kind of butts up to the um

1957
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:10,239
>> that community, the kind of

1958
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:11,360
write the name of it.

1959
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,719
>> Yeah. And that

1960
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:14,000
>> being in the Cedar Cove,

1961
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:14,960
>> Cedar Cove area.

1962
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:15,600
>> Yeah.

1963
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:16,480
>> Yep. Thank you.

1964
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:18,800
>> Yeah. Cambridge Crossing is to the

1965
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:19,440
south.

1966
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:21,040
>> That's State Apartments.

1967
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,120
>> Uh Cedar Cove's a little bit to the

1968
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,480
west.

1969
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:25,520
>> And then there's

1970
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:26,639
>> residential.

1971
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:29,360
>> Yeah. Residential to to the Yeah.

1972
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,120
Directly west.

1973
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,800
>> There's a detention basin that's owned

1974
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,639
by by uh UD do that's on the east side

1975
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:39,760
of the road that's not developable.

1976
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,440
because it's our drainage,

1977
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:41,840
>> right?

1978
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,760
>> Or do drainage for what?

1979
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:44,480
>> The road.

1980
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:45,040
>> Just the road.

1981
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,159
>> South River Drive.

1982
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,639
>> Okay.

1983
01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:50,320
>> I didn't realize how much property the

1984
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,639
city does on right there. That is

1985
01:23:52,639 --> 01:23:54,080
>> right now. It's just showing as future

1986
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,440
land shows it as commercial.

1987
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:55,840
>> Commercial,

1988
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,040
>> not commercial highway, just commercial.

1989
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,960
>> This is all south.

1990
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:01,920
>> Yeah. Okay.

1991
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:02,480
>> It's interesting.

1992
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,480
>> And that was the part they were talking.

1993
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,239
This is a perfect example of where like

1994
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:08,639
I'm not going to my map's not going to

1995
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:11,120
come forward showing any changes here.

1996
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:11,520
Yeah.

1997
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,360
>> This would just be things that if you

1998
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:14,800
think it should be different, you would

1999
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:15,440
say,

2000
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,280
>> "Yeah,

2001
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,440
>> perfect." Um, and I think this ties

2002
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,000
right into commercial uses east of

2003
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,040
Highway 89. Um, do we want to see any

2004
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:28,080
future industrial or commercial areas?

2005
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,040
>> I think that was the mayor's bring it up

2006
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:31,920
area.

2007
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,080
>> Yeah. Uh this

2008
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,840
>> that was that red little zone which that

2009
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,270
was the

2010
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,760
» that's that zone across.

2011
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,040
>> That's the zone. Isn't that the

2012
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,840
commercial uses north of 2600? Isn't

2013
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,960
that the same?

2014
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,360
>> Is that 2600?

2015
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,120
>> That's 2725.

2016
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:57,270
>> Okay.

2017
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,760
» Are eight and nine the same?

2018
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,080
the road

2019
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:03,520
>> and that's the last one, right? Nine is

2020
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,000
the last one on the list.

2021
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,760
>> Yeah, it's not 2600.

2022
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,120
>> The road next to Maverick is 2700.

2023
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,159
So I I'm not sure what the underlying

2024
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,000
>> it's not talking about that one area

2025
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,920
between the car wash

2026
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:20,560
>> and the res.

2027
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,520
>> Yeah, when it talks about that area, I

2028
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,400
think it's really south of I don't know,

2029
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,520
south of the car wash.

2030
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,760
>> South of the car wash. that area is

2031
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,760
undeveloped and and has you know

2032
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,880
>> had a variety of things proposed and

2033
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,000
nothing yet.

2034
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,159
>> I think that was so commissioner Davis

2035
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:41,520
that was where he was talking about the

2036
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:42,000
hotel.

2037
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:42,320
>> Yes.

2038
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,679
>> If I recall from the joint meeting

2039
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:47,840
>> that he was talking about a hotel

2040
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,000
>> and obviously went on to

2041
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,199
>> talk about like the revenue and the tiff

2042
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:54,800
tough. What is it that we get for a

2043
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,760
hotel tough?

2044
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,440
What do you mean?

2045
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,120
>> The reason I believe this one's on the

2046
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,679
list was Commissioner Davis was talking

2047
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:04,719
about a hotel.

2048
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:05,040
>> Yeah.

2049
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,159
>> And the the revenue that gets generated

2050
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:10,719
and the tough fee.

2051
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:12,639
>> Well, I mean, they would have a the

2052
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:13,360
utility fee.

2053
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,080
>> The transportation

2054
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,000
>> transportation utility fee. I mean, they

2055
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,000
would pay that, but I think he was more

2056
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,880
talking like your transient.

2057
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,000
>> That's what it is.

2058
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,600
>> Uh,

2059
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,719
>> was it transient? What?

2060
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:26,159
>> Transient tax or transient?

2061
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:27,840
>> Yeah, it's a tax. It's tax that you

2062
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,159
collect for everybody that stays

2063
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:31,440
>> in the hotel.

2064
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:32,719
>> That's significant.

2065
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:33,920
>> Yeah, if you've ever gone to a hotel,

2066
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,400
you'll see that that that line for that

2067
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:37,199
tax on there.

2068
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:38,159
>> Okay,

2069
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:39,120
>> that's

2070
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,400
>> which and ways and this is where I kind

2071
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:41,679
of feel like he went off and just

2072
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:43,280
talking about like as a city like with

2073
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,800
things coming down the pipeline and I

2074
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,639
don't have the specifics, but just we've

2075
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:48,880
got to start looking at other revenue

2076
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,440
options and streams. And this was why

2077
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:53,920
this was at the entrance to our city

2078
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,840
where people see it. What do we want

2079
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,000
that to then look like? So I kind of

2080
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,520
feel like eight and nine could be

2081
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,669
combined, but

2082
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:04,800
maybe keep it separate.

2083
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,159
>> No, that's but that's the east.

2084
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:09,840
>> Well, just the different areas

2085
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,520
>> over that area based.

2086
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,840
>> Yeah, it's our entrances. I mean, that's

2087
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,239
where we've got

2088
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:18,719
developable land. Could I summarize it

2089
01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:21,120
that I think I mean I've kind of listed

2090
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,920
this out just because we have but like

2091
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,400
eight and nine are do we want to change

2092
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,239
those areas they kind of tie into the

2093
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:29,920
overall projected land use map

2094
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:31,199
discussion

2095
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:33,600
>> these areas maybe a little special

2096
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,600
anyway I'm thinking put this lower on

2097
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,199
the list as well

2098
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:39,040
>> to get into more detailed discussion of

2099
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:39,520
it

2100
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:40,400
>> on the upper ones

2101
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,880
>> that's not a high priority for change

2102
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:43,440
>> agree

2103
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:45,040
>> is that correct I agree that

2104
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,480
>> we're not changing anything the entrance

2105
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:48,880
to the city to be residential. It's

2106
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,480
going to be a commercial.

2107
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:52,480
>> And there's that one we do that remind

2108
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,320
that one want to look at the mayor

2109
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,320
brought up. It's kind of that weird area

2110
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:57,760
we were just looking at.

2111
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,280
>> Um east or west?

2112
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,280
>> It's kind of r wrapped around.

2113
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,440
>> It's east of 89

2114
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:04,800
>> on the other side.

2115
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:05,280
>> Yeah.

2116
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,040
No, I think Yeah, that's the red

2117
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,840
one that you're pointing at, Chris. That

2118
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,080
>> it's just on the east side of 2800 East.

2119
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,560
uh undeveloped ground.

2120
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,600
There was has been historically a

2121
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,199
gymnasium

2122
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:25,600
or gymnastics place proposed there that

2123
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,560
uh never went actually went through. So,

2124
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,639
>> didn't it wasn't that in 2020 why

2125
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:32,000
everything kind of fell apart on that

2126
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,239
one was just the timing of the year.

2127
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:35,199
>> Was it before that?

2128
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:37,360
>> Yeah, it's it was it's been a while ago.

2129
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,280
I I don't know. It came It came around a

2130
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:40,480
few times. So, I I don't remember

2131
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:42,719
exactly.

2132
01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:44,800
That's just an area that is still we

2133
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:45,840
still want to do that or not.

2134
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,040
>> Yeah, the mayor I think the mayor

2135
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,480
specifically asked about that one.

2136
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:53,510
>> Yes.

2137
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:54,560
» Yeah, I think so.

2138
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:55,600
>> Yeah. Okay.

2139
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,400
>> I mean it makes sense. Random question

2140
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,960
that is not unfortunately on anything.

2141
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,880
Did we ever find out with the um

2142
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,719
landscaping company that was operating

2143
01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:06,719
further up that road um towards

2144
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:08,960
Leighton? Did I know they had some

2145
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,480
requirements?

2146
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:11,840
Maybe I can do this under the general

2147
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:12,880
discussion. I'm just wondering if they

2148
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:14,080
took care of everything that they needed

2149
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:15,440
since they're obviously operating a

2150
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:18,159
business out of a residential.

2151
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:20,320
>> They uh they're complying. I mean, they

2152
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,000
they've cleaned it up a whole bunch.

2153
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,360
>> Yeah.

2154
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,280
>> And anything with the trout farm.

2155
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:28,880
>> Okay. I thought there was something

2156
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,679
about cleaning up the trout farm.

2157
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:35,360
>> They're south. We were they not annexed

2158
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:36,880
because it's

2159
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:37,199
>> Yeah,

2160
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:40,080
>> they're they're in the green.

2161
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:41,040
It's all

2162
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:41,760
>> Yeah.

2163
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,110
>> All the

2164
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,280
traps

2165
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:48,239
are

2166
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:48,880
>> Oh, no.

2167
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,480
>> That might be general discussion. Sorry.

2168
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:51,679
>> Yeah. Sorry. That's more general

2169
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:53,040
discussion, not this topic. So, I

2170
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,199
apologize.

2171
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:56,639
>> I think we're good on that. I mean, less

2172
01:29:56,639 --> 01:29:57,440
I don't know if there's a lot of

2173
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,600
direction on this. Sorry.

2174
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,320
>> Well, step into the maths.

2175
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:03,920
>> Well, because I kind of made some notes.

2176
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,719
So, I'm hearing that uh just going down

2177
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:10,560
the list. number one is uh something

2178
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,880
that staff will take a stab at and make

2179
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:16,639
those changes. Um number two is a higher

2180
01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:19,520
priority uh to discuss annexation. Come

2181
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,400
back with that one. Number three, uh the

2182
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,880
transportation connections is another

2183
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:26,560
large discussion, but it's a higher

2184
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:31,440
priority. Um, number four, um, which is

2185
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:34,639
the central core area. I would say

2186
01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:37,679
that's like number four on I'd say it's

2187
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:40,000
right in the middle of the list. Um, but

2188
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,320
it needs to be better defined and look

2189
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,280
at options and and we can pursue that in

2190
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,159
time. Number five is also another one

2191
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:49,520
that staff's going to take a look at the

2192
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,520
sensitive lands map, see if there's any

2193
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,159
technical changes, any

2194
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:55,840
land changes or anything like that that

2195
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,400
should be updated, but generally it's

2196
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:59,760
probably going to stay and it'll just be

2197
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,440
a staff

2198
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:06,159
recommendation and you guys review. Um,

2199
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:09,600
number six is the high

2200
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:14,320
20 2100 uh commercial uses stay for now.

2201
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,120
Um,

2202
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:18,800
I think the discussion is what's the

2203
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,360
long-term vision for this area? Uh, and

2204
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:26,080
what's viable. Um, but I think it's like

2205
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,760
number three, four on the list as well.

2206
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,199
>> Yeah.

2207
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:31,679
>> So, and then the gravel pits lower on

2208
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:34,080
the list as well. Um,

2209
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,520
>> I think it's three.

2210
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:41,120
>> Yeah. Kind of three, three, and three

2211
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:42,800
>> are the first six.

2212
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,960
>> Okay. No, that's right.

2213
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,120
>> So,

2214
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,360
>> okay. Any other comments on any of

2215
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,679
these? Anything else? I think that was a

2216
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:52,960
good summary.

2217
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:53,280
>> Yeah.

2218
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,239
>> Okay. Um, final items or just reports?

2219
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:58,639
Anything from the commission?

2220
01:31:58,639 --> 01:31:59,280
>> Like any

2221
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:00,480
>> any items you want to bring up?

2222
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:01,760
>> One thing I didn't want to bring up

2223
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:03,520
here, but it brings up a good point on

2224
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:06,800
the 475 entrance to the city. I know I

2225
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,159
just want to spend money. That's just my

2226
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:10,320
thing. But like can you do like a

2227
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,159
signage or like make it look more

2228
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:14,159
presentable? You like people say like

2229
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:16,080
welcome to South Weaver City and there's

2230
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,400
like you know or something like that. We

2231
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,800
have it on Maverick side kind of

2232
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,159
>> that's that's a digital sign. We don't

2233
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:24,080
need that. But is there something is

2234
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:28,560
that something we want to do or no?

2235
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,159
>> I want like what a

2236
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:32,400
>> No recommend. I'm just asking like is

2237
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,239
that something that we like want to look

2238
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:36,000
down to or is it not really? I don't

2239
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,199
know. Like I'm just that's discussion.

2240
01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:39,600
Do you want to research options for sign

2241
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:40,880
>> this when this brought up when it said

2242
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,159
entrance to say that's the only reason I

2243
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:43,440
thought of that and then it's like oh do

2244
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:45,440
we want to make the entrance more

2245
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:46,960
>> presentable discussion

2246
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:48,719
>> I want one of those Ogden signs but it's

2247
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:50,480
going to say south

2248
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:52,639
>> and then destination not a drive-thru

2249
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:54,239
>> side note I I think they should keep the

2250
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,880
flag up on the general RV I like that a

2251
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:57,840
lot. Did you see that?

2252
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,520
>> Yeah they put I didn't

2253
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,000
>> big huge flag on the big sign. Yeah

2254
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:03,280
>> that was really cool. And the fact that

2255
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,719
it says Gino RV South Weaver,

2256
01:33:06,719 --> 01:33:07,360
>> that's pretty cool.

2257
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,120
>> You know, they they already gave us a an

2258
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:09,760
entry sign.

2259
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,360
>> Isn't there a monument that was supposed

2260
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:12,639
to have been put in over on that

2261
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:13,840
property that was like one of our

2262
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,159
landmarks? It's still there, right?

2263
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:18,080
>> But is there anything that's like could

2264
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:20,400
be built off of that to maybe be like

2265
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,480
welcome to South Weaver?

2266
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:23,440
>> I'll look into it.

2267
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:24,880
>> Look into it. Chris is going to do some

2268
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,320
research.

2269
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,320
>> I want to spend more money on parks and

2270
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,040
monuments.

2271
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:32,880
>> Work on budget. Yeah, that's what I'm

2272
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,960
saying. Okay, I'll put one of those,

2273
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:35,280
too.

2274
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:36,320
>> We'll do a gofund me.

2275
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:37,840
>> I'll put one of those voting signs that

2276
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,520
say, "Welcome to South Bever." Just be

2277
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,520
fine.

2278
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,040
>> Okay. So, really quick. Um, what is the

2279
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,880
next step

2280
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:50,320
>> as we look at this uh line item, this

2281
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,320
step-by-step process that you wrote out

2282
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:57,120
for us? We're kind of in a nebulous uh I

2283
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,360
guess we're choose your own adventure

2284
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,840
here between line line items two, three,

2285
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:03,760
and four.

2286
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:04,239
Uh

2287
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:04,960
>> oh, no,

2288
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:06,320
>> I think we're still in two.

2289
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:06,880
>> Yeah, we're

2290
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,000
>> we're still very much in two.

2291
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,520
>> We're on number two. Definitely.

2292
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,600
>> We haven't moved anywhere else.

2293
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,120
>> Staff's going to put together a draft

2294
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,560
for you guys to respond to.

2295
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:15,600
>> So, we have another one of these

2296
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,600
meetings that draft go to the public for

2297
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:18,560
them to respond to.

2298
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:19,199
>> Okay.

2299
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:20,480
>> So, will this be next month?

2300
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:21,920
>> Right between two and three. We'll and

2301
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:23,360
we'll go over them next month if that's

2302
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:24,000
okay.

2303
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:24,400
>> Okay.

2304
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,159
>> Is anybody planning on not being here

2305
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:28,719
for that meeting?

2306
01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:29,360
>> I'm just saying

2307
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,440
>> for August.

2308
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:32,880
>> Hey, it's still summer, you know. I got

2309
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,400
to check in with vacation plans.

2310
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:35,199
>> Yeah. Yeah,

2311
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:37,840
>> I will be here.

2312
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,440
>> Okay.

2313
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:41,600
Then if there is nothing further from

2314
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,480
anyone, um I'm going to ask for a motion

2315
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:47,920
to journ. Do I need a motion?

2316
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:49,679
>> Yes, I do need a motion to adjurnn.

2317
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:51,840
>> Make a motion to adjurnn. and a second.

2318
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:52,800
>> I second.

2319
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,159
>> All in favor?

2320
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:54,800
>> Yes.

2321
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,840
Yes. Have a good night.