1 00:07:31,760 --> 00:08:09,120 there started question three out I'll  give them a few more minutes and have not 2 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Okay. 3 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:40,320 Um, Marty will not be joining us  tonight. He forgot. Oh, maybe it was. 4 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:48,080 Welcome everyone. Sorry it was late.  Um, let's see. We will get started. Um,   5 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,800 welcome to the planning commission  meeting on Wednesday, not Thursday,   6 00:10:52,800 --> 00:11:03,680 August 19th. Um, we will start with  the pledge of allegiance led by Brad 7 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:10,560 to the flag of the United States of  America and to the republic for it stands.   8 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:21,520 One nation under God, indivisible,  with liberty and justice for all. 9 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:27,600 All right, we will open for public  comment. Um, just a reminder,   10 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:35,280 we will have clock 3 minutes or less on  your time. Um, please state your name and   11 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,760 the council will not respond to anything at  this time. Um we do have a public hearing.   12 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:45,680 So if it is anything in direct relation to the  reszone that you will have an opportunity for   13 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:58,320 that point at that point to talk as well.  So um we'll now open up for public comment 14 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:05,040 and we will close the public comment. Um,  we'll move in action item number three,   15 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:11,280 the consent agenda from July 9th, 2026 minutes. 16 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:24,640 I don't have anything. No. Um, can I get a make a  motion to approve the consent agenda on July 9th,   17 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:31,840 2026 minutes um as presented? I'll second  that. All in favor? Yes. Yes. And yes. 18 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:44,480 All right. Now, we will open the public hearing  for the Stark doll reszone. Um, do we want to have   19 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,360 do you want to say can I can I just give a quick  overview? Yeah, let's do that then. So, this is a   20 00:12:49,360 --> 00:13:00,800 request to reszone 5.9 acres from agricultural to  uh residential. See a mistake there. Uh, moderate 21 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:10,160 flags it in there. Uh residential moderate as  their proposal is to put in a culde-sac with   22 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:16,800 12 homes on it. It's the uh northern portion of  the Stark doll properties. So, it's taking the   23 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,120 existing Stark parcel with an existing home and a  portion of the doll property that's further to the   24 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:30,800 south uh to put this culac in. Uh the other big  element is it would be completing the uh street   25 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:39,840 there at 7600 uh to allow for it uh to connect  through which is a connection that the city's been   26 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:47,280 waiting for for a long time. Um staff has reviewed  it. It's compliant with the general plan. It's   27 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:53,600 consistent with the general plan. Um the the laws  appear to work at the at least at a high level.   28 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:59,600 We'll get into much more detail on the subdivision  process if the reszone is approved. Um,   29 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:18,320 and you know, staff recommends approval. Um, and I  think that's it. Any questions for staff on that? 30 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:24,400 And now we'll open the public hearing. Can I get  a motion open? I'll make a motion to open public   31 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:33,360 hearing. I'll second. All in favor? Yes. Yes.  Yes. Hearing is open. Same rules apply to the   32 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,960 three minutes or less. So go ahead and make sure  to state your name and city as well or address   33 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:44,080 whatever we do. Uh Nelen Hig South Weaver. So just  to clarify, you've got it corrected then that it's   34 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:51,120 not multif family part of my speech for that.  Okay. I'll edit that part out. Um sorry. What's   35 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,560 that? I just want to make sure the notice wasn't  that way. I can't remember if it was or not,   36 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,600 but okay. So, I'll skip that part, but since  you've already got that corrected, but anyway. So,   37 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:07,840 I reviewed the city's adopted 2020 general plan,  not the proposed, and I believe that there's an   38 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,600 important transportation issue that needs to be  addressed. The city has identified a connection   39 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:21,520 between 1650 East and 7775 South. Um, General Fan  on notes. I can get you guys copies of this too,   40 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:28,240 but you can look it up because it is the adopted  um that calls it for a future collector roadway   41 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:35,520 and at the same time 7600 South is identified as a  local residential future. Um on the general plan,   42 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:43,440 so here on the adopted transportation plan, sorry  it's not super huge, but there you go. Um it does   43 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,640 show that and highlight it up for what each  road identifies. Anyway, those designations   44 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,480 exist for a reason. So, a local residential  street is identified primarily to serve the   45 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:57,280 neighborhood and the collectors intended to move  traffic through the community. Yet, the proposed   46 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,080 access for this development comes directly onto  7600 South. It does not connect this development   47 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:09,440 to the plan 1650 and the 7775 South collector  corridor. So, furthermore, 7600 South isn't   48 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:15,280 highlighted going east from 1750 on the general  plan because the city and all of us residents know   49 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,080 that it's not wide enough for more traffic. So, I  believe the city needs to answer a straightforward   50 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,240 question. Um, why are we putting additional  development traffic on a roadway identified   51 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,280 as a local residential rather than preserving and  utilizing the corridor the city has identified for   52 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,880 the future collector traffic? This is especially  important because the proposed connection will   53 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:40,640 change existing traffic pattern. It creates more  direct route toward the elementary school and will   54 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:46,320 attract additional neighborhood and school related  traffic onto 7600. The reason for the concern is   55 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:55,040 this. I've also measured the existing roadway. Um  the section of 7600 south between 1750 and 1900   56 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:01,040 east. So going east is only 31 feet wide back of  curb. Got some pictures I can show you guys too.   57 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:07,120 Um, so that photograph documents and measurement.  I've also photographed showing actual conditions   58 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:14,080 on 7600 with cars and everything on there.  Sorry, grab with that other note taken off.   59 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:23,440 I had to redo. So there you can see cars trying  to go between multiple pictures to show that just   60 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,800 with cars parked on the street. Is anybody has any  traffic there or any parties or anything going on?   61 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:36,000 Um, so to show that and in between when cars  are parked on either side, there's only 14 feet   62 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:43,200 between two cars. Also along that same stretch of  road, the sidewalk connectivity is incomplete for   63 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,280 approximately six lots on the south side and  roughly equivalent to two lots on the north   64 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:52,240 side. So, if we're going to be increasing  traffic on a relatively narrow roadway with   65 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,600 existing pedestrian gra gaps near children  traveling to and from an elementary school,   66 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,480 the general plan calls for a connected streets,  evaluating traffic in circulation before major   67 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:08,160 development and coordinating tra transportation  improvements with with uh development timing. So,   68 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,920 I'm asking the planning commission and city  staff to consider three questions. First,   69 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:18,320 is 7600 South capable of serving safely serving  traffic that this connection will generate and   70 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:25,280 attract? Second, how will pedestrian safety and  existing sidewalk gaps be addressed? And third,   71 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,480 why would we place additional traffic on a roadway  designated for local residential use when the city   72 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:36,640 zone general plan identifies a separate corridor  for future collector traffic? And that corridor   73 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,560 is not even part of this development but owned  by the same applicants of the zoning request   74 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,720 change. So once again, I'm asking the city to  [clears throat] make sure growth is connected   75 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,600 to the community in the right place at the right  roadway and consistent with the 2020 general plan   76 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,720 that the city itself adopted from all of us  citizens input. And we all took the time to do   77 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,840 it because once these homes are built and this  connection is made, we don't get to undo that   78 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:07,920 traffic pattern very easily. For reference, look  at 6650 south and 475 east. That would be changed   79 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,800 to a dead end with how narrow it street is. So,  I respectfully ask the planning commission and   80 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:18,480 city staff to answer those questions and take a  hard look at the proposed 7600 South access and   81 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,200 the existing roadway and pedestrian conditions  and additional traffic it will attract against   82 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:31,040 the planned 1650 east and 7775 south collector  connection before allowing this to go forward.   83 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,680 Growth should not simply add homes.  It should add infrastructure that is   84 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:51,120 appropriate for the traffic those homes and the  connections serving them will create. Thanks. 85 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,320 Well, you can I don't know whether my  questions are quite as detailed to that,   86 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,760 but I I I guess I have questions about the actual  development when it gets if it gets approved. Uh I   87 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:15,200 own a lot right next to the Stark property on the  east side, the northeast side of that is where my   88 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:22,000 lot's at. I have a power line that comes right  across that property. It's a with a on a power   89 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,080 pole. I'm concerned about how the process is  going to be and what it shouldn't be any cost   90 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:36,240 cost to me to change that power that I've had  that's been in service there for 70 years. So I   91 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,640 I want to make sure that's considered and maybe  that's what you said earlier as I get into the   92 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,880 detail of that. I expect to be contacted or at  least informed of what's happening there. Also,   93 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,600 uh secondary water line that goes across there  and services that area. I hope that it's got the   94 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,880 capacity to add these 12 homes to it. When it  was first developed, there was a farm and three   95 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:03,760 houses down there down below. They added the  subdivision to the west of the start property   96 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:09,200 plus the Wendy up there in the field that's  been added. So, the line that comes across the   97 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:16,720 uh all of that subdivisions over there, I hope  that's big enough to service all of that. Um   98 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:22,560 curious about where the holding pond is for that  property. Uh where was the runoff plan to be going   99 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:34,160 down? Uh did that come across our property as  well or is it coming down to the west somehow? Um 100 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:40,800 just curious if the if there's going to be putting  new fences in there for us or the existing fence   101 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:47,200 is going to stay where they're at. Also curious  about any existing buildings that are there along   102 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:52,320 that road. If it get if the road goes in where  it's at, what those those existing buildings   103 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,960 should be left standing where there there  shouldn't be any need for them to be taken down,   104 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:06,160 I would say. And that's on our property. U  you've already said 7600. I'm I'm glad to   105 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,840 hear that you might be considering making that  a common road number across there. In the past,   106 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:19,120 it's been 7650 on that side of the fence and 7600  on our side of the fence. And Amazon can't find us   107 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:23,840 if we use 7650, which is what our house number  is, but Rory's house number on the other side   108 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:29,520 of the street is 7600. So, there's been some  confusing there. Let's get that cleaned up.   109 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:37,920 Um, looks like there's a park strip that's  designed to go up there on the east side   110 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,320 of that road as it goes up into up toward  that field. Who's going to maintain that   111 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:53,200 park strip? There's sidewalk and a park  strip there. Who's going to maintain that? 112 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,720 You can maybe answer that right now. I don't know. 113 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,160 Certainly, we are concerned about  the additional traffic as well. I   114 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:17,120 just echo what they've said. Thank you. Thank you. 115 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:22,480 Uh Chat Thomas, South 7629 South.  I'm on the corner right there. So,   116 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,680 um love development, prodevelopment. We've been  in that home since 2013. We were actually the   117 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:35,120 second to the last home built right there. But I  would echo what uh Nelden said on 7600. There's a   118 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:41,600 bus stop at the top of 1900 where kids walk down  7600. That is definitely a safety issue first and   119 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:47,680 foremost. Uh in my mind, my kid actually rides  the bus and so they take that route as well. Um,   120 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,640 so I would just make sure that this development  plan doesn't just benefit a developer that wants   121 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:58,800 to put another lot at the top and not have a road  cut through to benefit them. That the city's,   122 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,600 you know, putting a conscious effort on the  safety of of children and and cars getting   123 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,440 through there. Like he echoed, it is a  nightmare when there's parties, cars on   124 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:14,240 both sides of the road. It's nearly impossible  to get through it. One lane road. Thank you. 125 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:30,160 Uh, good evening. My name is Jeremy Cummings.  I live at 1820 East, 7600 South. So,   126 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:38,080 I oppose obviously this entire plan. Uh because  I would be actually, you know, east of the what   127 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:44,000 you're showing right now, the short uh piece of  what they're talking about of how many cars can   128 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:50,000 actually fit through there. So that would affect,  you know, my property because it hasn't been   129 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:56,320 opened up where it is, you know, past Chad's house  or anything else. So that roadway would be very,   130 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,880 very slim. And as we mentioned, we get kids  walking to the school bus, which is actually   131 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:08,320 the end of 7600. So, there's a a pickup place  for all the children and obviously there's a   132 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:14,960 park there and there's not a stretch of sidewalk  all the way through there if you can uh look on   133 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:22,640 the map. So oppose that the council um deny this  proposal for now is there continues to be more   134 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:42,400 studies of the road way and obviously the through  traffic that that's going to create for 7600. 135 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:52,640 I'm Dan Jones. I'm on 1750 East and my concern  also is the 7600 access. Um I've been out here   136 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:59,760 for 40 years. I know there's been studies on 7600  in the past where they've taken measurements and   137 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,800 the fire department has deemed they can't get  a fire truck through. If you've got cars on   138 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:10,880 both sides of the road, they will have to  hit the car to get through. And so that's   139 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,440 my main concern of this whole development.  I'm fine if they build houses back there,   140 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:21,360 but let's do it smart. And either we've got  to take care of 7600 to accommodate the new   141 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:28,320 traffic or like uh Nelen said, the road  behind that goes in front of the doll's   142 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:36,960 house. Something has to be improved before  we can add development there. Thank you. 143 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:52,240 Can we get a motion to close public  hearing? Motion to close public hearing   144 00:26:52,240 --> 00:27:02,400 for the start zone. I'll second. All  in favor? Yes. Yes. Yes. And yes. 145 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,080 Um action item number five, the stall  stark doll reszone at approximately   146 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:18,960 1675E 7650 South. The change from agricultural  to residential moderate on approximately 5.9   147 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:26,800 acres. Um the applicant is Russ  Wilson of Symphony Development. 148 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:35,840 Um, can we hear from the is the developer  here? Hello. Thanks for your time tonight. Uh,   149 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,920 my name is Russ Wilson. I work  for Symphony Development, which is   150 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,760 uh the land development companies or part  of Symphony Homes. Um, I don't know if I   151 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:54,160 have a lot to add, but I'm happy to answer  any questions that you might have for me. 152 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,240 Questions? I just know if you wanted to say  anything or have anything to respond with   153 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,280 anything that anybody said or anything. No,  I I guess one thing that I'll say is the the   154 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:10,080 7600 South discussion. This is actually the first  time I've heard that people are opposed to that.   155 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:16,800 Ever ever since we um have been working on this,  all all I've heard is that the city would really   156 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:23,280 like to make that connection, have it go through.  We are planning to build it to city spec and and   157 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:31,040 the you know matching the widths that are that are  already there. Um we are contracted to buy the the   158 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:36,960 portion of the property that's shown in green on  on this um from the doll and the Stark families,   159 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,680 but we we don't have uh any commitment to  purchase any more land from them. They're   160 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:48,880 they're planning to maintain their their home and  the remainder of their property on the south side.   161 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:57,600 Other than that, I don't have much much else  to mention. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. 162 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,720 We we 163 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,440 That was Yeah, that was your opportunity when we  had the hearing open to answer ask the question.   164 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,080 So, right now we're off. Thanks. Since I've  heard the question, I'll I'll just answer   165 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,080 real quick. The the existing homes that are  there, there are two existing homes and some   166 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:22,640 out buildings as well. Our plan is to demolish  those and to build new homes on on the lot shown. 167 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:30,800 Thank you. Um and then just reminder this  is just the reszone from agriculture to   168 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:38,640 residential. So nothing is final with anything  else on it. Right. Correct. Correct. Yeah. I   169 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,200 just had a point of clarification. I know with  the acreage the 5.9 that they have available   170 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:50,880 given the residential moderate zone they are  actually allowed 18 homes correct or is it 16   171 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:57,440 I think I got 16 but 16 but they're not asking  for 16 they're only asking for the 12 that are   172 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:03,920 kind of showing on that plot so they're actually  asking for less residences so larger lots than   173 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:11,840 what they could be asking for correct it that  is what the concept plan shows Um, this is not   174 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:18,240 with the reszone then I guess the concept plan is  there just as an illustration. It's their intent.   175 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:25,440 I'm I'm 90% sure that's what they do. But what  is H this request is to reszone to RM. So they   176 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,200 could come back redesign and get some more lots  in there if they wanted. Technically it would be   177 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:38,240 zone to RM. That's this action. We just asked for  the concept plan to be an indicator and anyway.   178 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,680 So it's not it's not 100% binding, I guess,  would be my point. That's what I want to make   179 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:50,000 clear is that they could come back and actually  shrink a lot and go with the higher, you know,   180 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:56,000 allowable density if the residential if they can  make it fit. If they can make it fit. How much how   181 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:07,360 many homes in residential low moderate could they  do? If you did RL meaning would be less than 12 or 182 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:16,880 [clears throat] 183 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:27,760 RL or RLM? RLM. Sorry. RLM. Okay. 184 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:41,120 So that density is 1.5 building lots per acre. 185 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:52,800 I can barely do math. People are looking at me.  I really can't. We're all looking away right now. 186 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,960 I get 10. It's 10.9 but very close. 187 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,560 um with it and I know general plan the future land  use for this whole area is residential moderate so   188 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,600 it's not like they're going outside of what the  general plan indicated for any future reszoning.   189 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,600 That's correct. I do think there is an opportunity  just because there was a lot of questions and   190 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:25,600 comments tonight about the roads um when the  development actually comes forward. That's where   191 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,360 you'll get to see what the developers actually  doing where the road specifications there'll   192 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:35,120 be a lot more detail provided. So definitely if  you're paying attention pay attention to that and   193 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,440 if there's something that you see that impacts the  safety and doesn't address the concerns you have   194 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,160 that's going to be when you're going to want to  come back up and make sure we're paying attention.   195 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:51,280 We are but Would you like me to answer some of  the questions that came up if you want? Oh, yeah,   196 00:32:51,280 --> 00:33:02,000 sure. So, u is is 7600 capable and safe  u of handling the additional traffic? Um,   197 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,080 initially we didn't think it was an issue at  all, but we could uh get in and do a little   198 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:12,880 more traffic analysis, but at a at a glance, city  engineer didn't feel that that was an additional   199 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:19,680 traffic study would be required. Um so yes  it should the sidewalk gaps um will they be   200 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:25,920 filled? How will that be addressed? That would  be a a future project that would just happen as   201 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:33,120 um you know city funds were made available. Um  it's very hard to tie those improvements to this   202 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,960 project, but it would be something that could  get uh elevated on the city's project list to   203 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,960 fill that to make sure that that happens. Um,  and when you think gaps, what are we talking   204 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:56,480 about in terms of I I think that the parcels  there's a gap at 7600 um just to the east uh at   205 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:06,240 about 1780s. There's a gap there between Erica  Ways Homes and there's a couple homes and then   206 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,000 um it's I think it's actually HOA property.  Yeah, it's a HOA for Ericson Meadows PUB down   207 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:20,480 below. There's no sidewalk there. I believe  that's what they're referring to. Yeah. 208 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:27,680 And then Yeah. So those and that's that's  a function of um cities grow and and when   209 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:33,600 those things went in that was not a an issue and  wasn't required and and cities generally try and   210 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:40,480 come back in and fill those in as needed. So, um,  this might, you know, if this development goes in,   211 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,640 that would become a higher priority, I would  imagine, for the city to fill in those gaps   212 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:51,040 so that there is that safe walk. Uh, the  roadway width, the paving is adequate. Um,   213 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,800 again, we could double check with the the fire  department. No issues were raised though when   214 00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,640 we initially discussed this. They So, uh, we'll  have to do some double-checking before we go too   215 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:08,240 much further. Um, it was really hard to come back  and retrofit that. So, we'd have have to see um   216 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:14,640 about that. Uh the power line would modification  would work with uh that's a Rocky Mountain power   217 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,920 call where they want to pull their power from and  all that. That's part of the development process   218 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:24,080 to look in and analyze that. Uh as as well as  the secondary water capacity. I don't know what   219 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:29,200 they need to do. They're a separate district.  They would look at their s their improvements.   220 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:35,440 any improvements that they need as part of this  specific subdivision they could do um and require   221 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:42,800 but not overall infrastructure that would not  be the burden of this developer necessarily.   222 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,800 uh you know the details of the holding pond  location um and buildings that would be the   223 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:54,480 development process um as and the subdivision  process looking at those standards and what's   224 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,680 required to meet the engineering and flow rates  and all that kind of thing uh the storm drain   225 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:06,320 impacts. So those details we'll get into it. The  subdivision should this be approved. Um as far   226 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,880 as who maintains the sidewalk in the park strip  I believe is a public road that's going to be   227 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,480 put in. It's not going to be private. So this  this that culde-sac that's would be proposed   228 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,120 the sidewalk and park strip are the city's  responsibility. Now sidewalks and park strips   229 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:26,560 per city code. It's public right away but the  adjacent land owners responsible for maintaining   230 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:39,440 and keeping the sidewalk but um would be a new  sidewalk and be okay. Um very very typical. Um, 231 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,360 yeah. And then the road name, we we do need to  make sure we address that and make sure that   232 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:52,160 that happens appropriately. That's a good  thought. Um, I think that's what I got. So,   233 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,280 there's more details to come, but there's some  issues there. We definitely will look into more,   234 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,600 but a lot of them are handled at subdivision where  we get into those details if this is approved.   235 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,640 Um, I just have kind of a point of clarification  question. Just if there's 12 lots that's being   236 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,320 presented, can we make that a condition of the  reason to lock in that number and not have it   237 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:28,000 potentially high? You could you could make  it a condition a condition of approval. Yeah. 238 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:45,120 for the res. Oh, I was just she was doing math  and I was waiting to see if that was going to   239 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,400 go and I guess there's nothing on this resone  that impacts the potential future connection   240 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:57,360 of that 1650 east over to Yeah, that's a big  one. Sorry, my math cut off. So I don't even   241 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:04,400 know what the road that could potentially be.  It would be 7775. Yeah. Yeah. All these dead   242 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:11,680 ends in the same. Sorry. In our discussions,  we did say that the plat amendment uh would   243 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:17,760 because this is being split off. But we would  ask that when that property is developed,   244 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:24,560 there's a specific plat that would say it is um  that that road extension would go through when   245 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:41,920 the future connections would still be okay. Yeah.  Can you identify the road? The road is 7775 South. 246 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:53,920 Just south of the off this map 1650 east. 247 00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:03,920 Yeah. Yeah. 9750. Yeah, we're there is we can  I'm I'm just looking at the county park map.   248 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:10,320 7775. It's not the time for this conver that  part of the Yeah, we're good. We're sorry. No,   249 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:20,000 you're fine. Um Yes. Yeah. 100% is um just  a reminder like so every all your concerns   250 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:26,560 have been noted. None of the decisions that  are being made today are saying no to those.   251 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:32,800 Um this is just simply reszoning it for the  opportunity to to build this and then we will   252 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,200 still discuss everything else. But I think  that if you're ready to make a motion with   253 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,080 your condition then we'll do that. Um I'm going to  move to recommend the city council to start doll   254 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:50,960 reszone at approximately 675 east um 7650 south  um a change from agricultural um to residential   255 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:59,200 moderate sorry fixing um at approximately  5.6 6 acres. Um applicant Russ Wilson with   256 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:06,800 Symphony Development with the condition that the  reszone recommendation is contingent on 12 lots   257 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:21,280 only or less. I'm fine if you go lower.  And can I get a second? Oh yeah. Yeah. 258 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,560 Were you making Was that your  That was my motion. Yeah. You   259 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:31,440 didn't hear me? I did. Okay. And then  do we get a We need a second. Second.   260 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:42,400 I'll second. And then we'll do a  roll call. Yes. Yes. Yes. And yes. 261 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:49,760 When do we think that we'll get the actual  um plat or the sorry blank on the name of   262 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:56,000 it. the next step when they actually bring  the development proposal forward. Well,   263 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,120 the preliminary plat application would be the next  step. I don't know what the developers timeline   264 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,960 is. Okay. I imagine there would like to go as fast  as possible usually. I would think so. Keep paying   265 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:12,160 attention to public notices because there will  be another that'll be a public meeting where we   266 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:18,160 will look over the criteria for the subdivision.  And just why we have an opportunity to make sure   267 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:25,520 everybody understands it's a meeting. So there's  not a an opportunity to speak to it specifically.   268 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,520 Um but there is the opportunity when that meeting  comes up, get your comments to staff and uh and   269 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,640 plan commission or whoever ahead of time. Yeah. Um  and then we can hopefully address them better. So   270 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:45,760 absolutely period that you can comment on during  that. Yes, you could. Yes. I just wanted to say   271 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:56,960 thanks to you for uh the comments because now we  can research them. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Good. 272 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:10,320 Hey, plan amendment discussion. 273 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:38,400 any want to do this part. I you guys discussion  I I uh tried to put together you know a summary   274 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,880 of our last conversation and the priorities um  of the of the general plan discussion and the   275 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:52,240 amendments we wanted to go forward. So, we have  that short list of the seven items in order. Um,   276 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:59,520 and I kind of just basically we I broke it down  into number one is is just general plan map   277 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,200 amendments. There's five of them there. Those are  things that staff at least my recollection of the   278 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,480 conversation with staff was going to work on those  uh and then bring them back when we do a general   279 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,840 plan amendment, one of the other amendments so  that we can have all those addressed at that time.   280 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:23,760 Um, we would bring drafts to you guys to make sure  we're we're uh on board and and have the draft   281 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:31,920 uh or have your issues identified and and the  changes you want and then that would go actually   282 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:40,080 so we [clears throat] let me slow down. We'll  staff will draft it. planning commission would   283 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,280 give public would give comments in a meeting to  say what they did and didn't want and make sure   284 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,280 that it's what you want and your would like to  recommend. Then we would begin an application   285 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:59,360 officially to amend the general plan and um and  then that would have a public hearing with the   286 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:05,120 planning commission with a recommendation of city  council to approve it. And and my thinking has   287 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:10,880 been and the process we kind of discussed is  that we bring forward two or three amendments   288 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,280 so we could discuss them all at once, but there'd  be three, you know, multiple amendments. The maps   289 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,680 would all be one uh per request and then maybe  it's annexation and I don't know whatever other   290 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:29,280 changes we end up going for. U so that would be  the process and that's that's item number one.   291 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:35,680 Staff's working on those changes uh to address all  that stuff. That's the sensitive lands, the the   292 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:44,400 land use and the RP clouds and that type of thing.  U then um then I put together a little background   293 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:52,400 information on the annexation um uh with the  southbench area kind of you asked requested for   294 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:58,800 pros cons. There's a table in there discussing  that. I can read through it if you want or just   295 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,080 answer questions however you guys want to handle  it. And then the other item I put together was   296 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:10,720 the central uh part of future downtown. And and I  what I did here was just kind of looked at other   297 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:16,560 cities and other jurisdictions and criteria that  they had out there because it is such a high level   298 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:26,160 thing and such a um I mean it's down the road. Um  I mean I don't anticipate lots of land use changes   299 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,840 but we all want to have that plan ready. So what  I put in there I just everything's in there.   300 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,400 correct uh that I could think of to put in there  that you know maybe we want to address this. We   301 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,400 can certainly delete. Maybe there's stuff  I've missed. I tried to throw in everything   302 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:46,960 and then we can it's easier to pair it down.  Uh but looking at design criteria, land uses,   303 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,640 you know, those types of things. And it's and  it's the verbiage especially in a general plan   304 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,680 is we should do these things. We want to look for  these things. And as I was reviewing it today,   305 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:03,440 it almost reads like an RFP, a request for  proposals of we want somebody to do a small area   306 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:10,320 plan or a central downtown plan that addresses  all these elements. And that might be how it goes   307 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,920 forward. But the first step would be say this is  our vision for that downtown area. And so that's   308 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,240 that's that document. Like I said, just trying to  throw everything I could think of in there. I had   309 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:26,880 a question and I don't it was the um annexation  I think is what this just the three pages that   310 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,480 were inserted into the packet. Was that meant to  just kind of be an example of how discussion has   311 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:39,760 taken place when a land owner has approached South  Beaver City wanting to discuss annexation was that   312 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:46,800 way those three pages the minutes from the city  council meeting. Yeah, it was it was one just an   313 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,920 example of somebody that had come in and actually  made the request. I also kept it in there because   314 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:57,280 um it it was talking about the specific area  and a concept that somebody had brought forward.   315 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,320 Okay. And and we got some feedback that's that's  why I included the minutes of from the council   316 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:08,080 discussion regarding those different elements and  what was important. Um I mean it boils down to   317 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,440 just a couple pages, but okay. Um, I just wanted  the context as to why that was in there because I   318 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,840 didn't see anything that really explained it and  it was at first I was like, was this supposed to   319 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:24,160 be in there? City council minutes, not our stuff.  Thank you for that. Well, yeah. And so, yeah, page   320 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:29,040 20 of 38 is just kind of here's what I heard we  want to talk about. There's the elements we should   321 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:35,280 address and kind of the procons of of whether we  should or should not annex it, that specific area.   322 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:43,280 Then the actual then pages 21 and 22 23 are the  the current general plan language and we'd have to   323 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,360 find something to merge it together. And then 24  is the map and the and the council discussion is   324 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:57,280 25 26. Anyway, so that was just kind of background  information and kind of what was been proposed   325 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:03,440 um in the past and discussed. they went away.  Uh, but I think they're out there kind of still   326 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:10,720 working on a plan for potential annexation and  what they what they want to do. And a lot of the   327 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:16,080 comments in there is kind of stuff we've talked  about about having control over future access.   328 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:25,600 And so that No, I like that. Sorry, I should  label better background information. Yes. Well,   329 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:39,520 do we just go down the list? Um, do we do we  keep if we don't need to change? Okay, I know. 330 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:47,840 I mean, I think some of it just comes down  to Are we doing anything with it? Yeah. 331 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:58,800 Yeah, that's still seven topics. I mean, if we  would the I think discussing the the city square,   332 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:05,600 whatever we're calling it thing is Central Park  future. Central Park. I feel like that's an easy   333 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:14,320 Chad. Will you speak into the mic? Oh, the Yeah,  that the Central Park area. Does that sound like   334 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:22,320 a easy place to start talking about? any concerns  or questions on I mean like you said it's going   335 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:29,520 to be future enough because that's a lot of money  that and big change doesn't really exist yet it's   336 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:35,440 just but planning for the idea but that's the idea  is yeah let's what do we want that to look like   337 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,880 what's what are the important critical elements uh  and I like I think that's such a long list that we   338 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:48,080 could say yeah these are important things and we  want to address them or not so how does that work   339 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:55,280 in the realm of if the large parcel to the west  goes for sale. I mean then we say okay we want   340 00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,400 this part of the downtown district but we don't  have the whole land like can you buy it in parcels   341 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,200 can you you know how would that work in the  future? Well, by having it in the general plan,   342 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:12,880 we've laid out the vision and what we want to  see. um as as we I mean this is a very high   343 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:19,680 level. Yes. And just that question alone, maybe we  create another zone that has more teeth uh that we   344 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:25,120 would say, "Yeah, this parcel is if somebody else  bought it and they said we want to develop it and   345 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:31,200 they came in with single family homes, we would  have the zone criteria and and the uh language in   346 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:37,840 the general plan and maybe a zoning district that  would implement this is the city's vision for this   347 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,680 property. we only get one chance at it. And so we  even though it's just one part of it, how does how   348 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:50,080 can we make it move toward that vision? And then  and and that's the Utah development process is   349 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:56,560 they come in parcel by parcel and like we kind of  just have to line up the parts and get what we can   350 00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:02,320 with each one as they come in. So we could make a  zone that's central park zoning and then we could   351 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:08,640 define what that zone means and what can be on it.  So whether or not we own the properties or not,   352 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,280 we could have them zoned in a fashion that we  want. So if somebody comes and presents something,   353 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:20,160 it's like that would to have it zone, the city  would have to initiate and and kind of do that   354 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,840 without the landowner's permission potentially.  Would that future land use map be updated to show   355 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:34,080 that the future land use for this parcel is to  be a central park zone and not have the other   356 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,480 options because like we don't want to sell it  and then lose that opportunity. That would be   357 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,200 a change to a future land use map. So yeah,  so we would just like tonight's discussion,   358 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:48,480 we would have on this map when somebody came in or  the preliminary discussions, we would, you know,   359 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,600 if they came in with that property to the east,  south of the church, north, south of the church,   360 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,960 um we would just say, "Yeah, this is the vision  the city has for that. This is what we want to   361 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:05,840 see. Uh and this is the zoning district we've  developed to implement it." and but that process   362 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:13,840 is with a general plan amendment that has um  you know maybe some to-do items in it. Then we   363 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,360 actually had create the zone district. Going to  this final step of actually reszoning a property   364 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,320 is kind of a big deal in Utah. We wouldn't do that  without the land owner's permission generally,   365 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,840 but you know, we'd have it sitting there ready and  saying this is the criteria we want to see in this   366 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:46,560 property when it gets if any redevelopment  recurs. Does that make sense? Like I'm just 367 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:57,120 any thoughts? No. all those items  on the list. Yeah, look good. 368 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,560 I mean, I feel like we've broken down each of the  top hoods enough. Like, I don't feel like there's   369 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,720 anything that needs to be added. It's just  probably more of a how are we going to attack   370 00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:08,960 these because I know we've kind of skipped over  number three, the transportation connections. I   371 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,520 I do think that one might turn into a bigger,  you know, the connection issues because again,   372 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:19,920 we're kind of dependent upon, you know, those  deadend roads and the property that's in between   373 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,960 where we would like to see those connections take  place. Until those properties actually come up   374 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:31,440 for development, we can't really say, "Hey, put  this connection here." But do we have a plan?   375 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,320 Do we have those connections written down  somewhere on our future transportation map   376 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:41,520 or wherever is the best location just to  make sure they're being identified? Well,   377 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:49,520 and then annexation is part of that. We want to  control that between us and Leighton, you know,   378 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,800 and I would like currently what the our annexation  plan and the annexation chapter is. Yes,   379 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:03,360 we want to annex it and it's open space. Well,  that's that's a that's a big ask. Uh might be   380 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:13,520 challenging to just get them to do open space  and annex. Yeah. So anyway, it'd be challenging. 381 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,800 Yeah. And there's a little related with Leighton.  Yeah. And then part of it was we discussed that   382 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:27,520 that what was that company up there? Was  it? Yeah, that was annexing that into us,   383 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:38,560 right? Yeah, cuz that would incorp  look at incorporating that. Yes. Right. 384 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,960 I don't have anything really to add or change  to this list. But I don't either. So, I mean,   385 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:50,560 that's the direction I think we  want to go forward with this. 386 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:58,640 Yeah. I don't Is there any crossover between  items number three and items number seven? 387 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:05,520 What was that? Um because it says for the  transportation connectivity element. Is that   388 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,040 something that can maybe be absorbed into one  single topic or is there something that keeps   389 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:18,080 it separate? I think those could be combined into  discussing the transportation element itself. Just   390 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,480 to maybe give us one last thing. I mean still  covering what needs to be discussed but our our   391 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:33,520 current general plan is is very high level. So  we might we might add more depth to it. Okay. 392 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:41,920 So I guess that's my only let's merge number  three and number seven together just for cohesive   393 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:49,760 and then going forward it's just picking one  or two and and that's what start yeah what's   394 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:56,480 I mean number one as I've stated staff's  going to start working on um it seems like   395 00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:02,480 and and this is this is building a city the  annexation and the transportation go hand in   396 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,000 uh you can't discuss one without the other really.  You try and separate them as much as you can,   397 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,720 but there's there there's going to be  overlap in those issues because that   398 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:22,000 road connection up there would be a big  part of the annexation, I would think. 399 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,080 Yeah. The infrastructure. 400 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,360 Yeah. 401 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:42,720 As far as order, is this the order  that we you want to tackle them in? 402 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:48,000 If we're tackling them in pairs, I think  it makes sense. Oh, yeah. Keep annexation   403 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:55,040 with the transportation. The first two and three  transportation connections. It all kind of flow   404 00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:03,520 together. Yeah, I think that's good order. I mean,  I personally don't feel like the um this is just   405 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:12,800 my two cents. Hold on. The conversation about the  it's so far off into the future, we're not going   406 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:18,400 to spend a lot of time getting detail into it.  Might just be like potential zoning. And that's   407 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:24,880 all I wanted that one on there for was because  it's I think that one's an easy one to just have   408 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:32,080 done. and um whoever brought up I mean last time  if if it's zoned as such and if somebody does   409 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:39,440 see a benefit and wants to make them an offer and  solves everybody's problem then so be it. I just   410 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:48,480 think we help it look better to potential buyers  if it's zoned already appropriately and they don't   411 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,520 need to worry about it. So, I think that one's  an easy one to just check off the list and and   412 00:57:53,520 --> 00:58:00,640 make our choice on that because but you're right.  I mean, it's unlikely anything will come of it,   413 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:07,760 but we can at least I guess that maybe ties to  the number five topic of the 2,800. Is that 2,800   414 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:14,880 East? Yes. Can we just add that to the Yeah.  And cornea just because that I think kind of   415 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,920 ties into if we're continued light industrial and  commercial uses along that kind of corridor. It   416 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,760 ties into where the Yes. the gravel pits are.  So they all flow. So what I'm hearing you say   417 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:33,120 is is is draft up similar to our current language  and our current general plan. Just kind of and I   418 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,360 can't remember what we say about the gravel  place now, but I imagine we say something.   419 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:45,920 But we have it at least as commercial on the  future land use map partic land use map. Um   420 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:52,320 so just write up a little bit more about we see  this as developing down the future. We want to see   421 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,680 these types of uses just kind of a high level  thing is what then we looked at it basically.   422 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:04,640 Yeah because that is a topic of citizens. I  think people are more currently concerned about   423 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:17,200 the the dust still blowing out of it. Yes,  sir. And disturbing. Yeah. Use of property. 424 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,800 Then I think for Yeah. Yeah. I think I don't need  to bring that up right now. I'm just trying to   425 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:31,120 stay focused and not get off on a get off on  a tangent. So, I caught myself there because   426 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:42,720 once I start, I mean, keep going. Just ask  everybody to work. I can just keep going. Um, 427 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:48,640 okay. Yeah, I'm good. I don't I don't have  anything else. Anything else? I think it was   428 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:54,480 just good. Yeah, thanks for providing some more  clarity and understanding on that and the process.   429 00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:03,040 It just seems bigger now. But thank you.  These are big big issues. [laughter] 430 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:14,640 They're hard. What's the time frame for inviting  public comment on any of these topics? Um 431 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,920 I feel like some of them once the maps are  updated, I mean there's not really going to   432 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,640 be much commentary except for seeing, you know,  the changes that have happened across the various   433 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:31,360 maps. I think to get annexation and transportation  into a a draft that I'd like to have you guys   434 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:38,720 um discuss. I doubt that's September, but  you know, maybe maybe that's October. So,   435 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:44,720 when you have a draft and you're bringing it back  to us, that's the same time it's going to be open   436 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:52,000 public to come and Well, no. My thought is that I  well I I let me know but my my thought that a way   437 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:58,800 that would work well is I come back to you with  an actual here's my recommended and I'll work   438 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:04,080 with other staff to get this stuff together as  well but here's a recommendation of an amendment   439 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:10,720 to the general plan regarding transportation and  annexation and maybe that's they're two sections   440 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,040 but they're so overlapping that the discussion  will be overlapping so let's tackle them both at   441 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:21,760 once which I We're all It's what you guys said and  and go through that with you guys uh of here's the   442 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:27,200 draft language. You guys say, "Yep, that's what  we want. This is what we want tweaked. That's how   443 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:33,920 we want to see it changed." Then we say, "Okay,  now we're going to do a propose this as an actual   444 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:41,920 application or an amendment to the general plan."  Then we'd come back uh with any refinements and uh   445 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:47,360 come to a public hearing. Okay. With the planning  commission. Okay. That's when the public would   446 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:55,840 come. Yeah. So each topic is like two meetings.  Yeah. And my pause is is maybe we want to do   447 01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:04,400 something before that rather than go from draft  to public hearing. There's an open house there in   448 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,440 the middle because this is a huge issue. and get  allow people to look at it in depth. Discuss with   449 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:15,360 planning commission, discuss with council, discuss  with staff. Here's my issues. Um, you know,   450 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,480 if we do this, is this is going to, you know,  anyway, get the public a more open opportunity and   451 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:29,280 then present a draft. So, your public draft, plan  commission, work session comments, uh, community   452 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:39,200 work session, and then public hearing adoption.  So we could do so if we start I mean granted you   453 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,720 have time to get it done if not September let's  say let's say it's September October whatever   454 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,760 it doesn't matter what month but so let's say  it's September then in October you're going   455 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,040 to bring back recommendations or any corrections  or anything like that we're going to a more firm   456 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:59,040 draft more firm draft so we could also tie that  one into do we think there's going to be enough   457 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:06,720 time to we could tie now the initial conversation  you could have your initial draft ready for the   458 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:13,040 next topic. So, we could kind of overlap two for  that second month rather than just saying we're   459 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:20,720 only going to do or is that not enough time for  staff to prepare things in between? Um to to get a   460 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:28,000 lot of staff um I think the planning aspects could  be there. Um getting other staff to weigh in and   461 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:34,160 all that would might be a little tricky in that  short of time. So, maybe try shoot for it. Yeah,   462 01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,120 if we're not there, we're not there. Then by the  time we do the hearing, at least that meeting,   463 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:46,080 we could then maybe look at also having so like  we're at least starting the next stairst step it,   464 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,720 right? Yeah. Just so we're not like completely  like waiting on the other items while we're   465 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,120 like try to overlap a little bit, but I get the  amendment number one draft is also going to be the   466 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,120 same meaning as concept number two. Yeah, there  you go. That's what I'm getting at. Concept if you   467 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,680 have the time. Yeah, but that's what we'll plan.  We can shoot for that. And if you get it ready,   468 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:08,560 you get it ready. I mean, I don't want you to  like rush or we get something that's not ready.   469 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:13,520 Yeah. I don't want to come in without, you know,  engineering hasn't had a chance to even look at   470 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,360 this, right? Yeah. If we're talking about there's  no point doing it. Yeah. We kind of need that to   471 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:26,240 weigh in. Okay. So, but but we'll work to we might  we'll go for it and see how close we get. And then   472 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:32,880 if by some reason one of the meetings ends up  turning into four hours and we had that second   473 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:38,640 one on there, I mean technically we can we can  just push that and do it to the next month. We   474 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:44,560 don't we don't need to do it if it's just on the  agenda to do it. There's not a a deadline per se.   475 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:50,560 Yeah. I mean we do want to move forward and get  done, but it's not like this has to be done in 25   476 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:59,920 December 25th. like there's not a hard line. Well,  not connectivity element is June 27th. Still I   477 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:09,600 mean that's still nine months away. So you should  be able to do that and actually 2026 not 2025. 478 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:19,520 Okay. That all sounds good to me. Um,  anything from the that's not related to   479 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:28,080 what we've already talked about? No. Did we get  enough people to go to the um fall planning? Oh,   480 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:33,360 yeah. Conference to get the Oh, you and  Marty are the only two I've heard that   481 01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:38,400 actually responded to the email. Yeah. If it  makes you feel better, I saw it and I thought   482 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:46,640 about it. So I was I count that as been a  lot of parchment. That's what I'm saying. 483 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,520 Yeah. Oh, that's actually a terrible day  for me. I actually I think it's the 10th   484 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,960 and 11th. 10th and 11th. Yeah. Oh, sorry.  10th. Oh, 10th and 11th. Yeah. So now you   485 01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:02,320 right. Yeah. Marty is all in. He wants to  go. But if we can get two more commissioners,   486 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,920 we actually get a little break in the cost.  So trying to save the city some. Then you   487 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:11,920 have two more. We'll we'll sign up three and  maybe send staff or somebody. I don't know.   488 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:17,440 Maybe a city council member wants to go.  I mean, I can for sure do the 11th. Well,   489 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,360 so I would say so let's sign up three and maybe  one of you can come on the 10th. One of Yeah,   490 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,240 I would say do that. The 11th, I think, is only  a half day. Oh, okay. Those Friday afternoons,   491 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:32,480 no one shows up. They finally they finally  accepted that. And we do have a planning   492 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:39,760 commission meeting at Oh, yeah. There's And it's  in Leighton. Okay. It's the convention center. So,   493 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:50,720 yeah. So, it's actually a shorter commute  for some of you. True. Yeah, I can do that. 494 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:59,360 Sign up for it. It's a pretty good  deal. 100 bucks. Pay for it. Okay. Well,   495 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:04,320 and um you know, if you can come to  a part of it or a part of half a day,   496 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:09,200 you kind of get I looked at the agenda.  There's some there's some good stuff. Um   497 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,960 it's always good to expose new ideas and  that type of thing in the playing realm   498 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:20,000 and more importantly it checks a big box for the  training. So, I mean, we've technically met that,   499 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:31,680 but sure be nice to go above. Never hurts.  Yeah. Okay. Okay. All we have um a motion.   500 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:41,760 You want to make a motion to adjurnn? No. Motion  to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? Yes. Any yes?