1 00:00:07,429 --> 00:00:16,257 Ready. Thank you. Welcome everyone to the August 27th, 2026 2 00:00:16,678 --> 00:00:19,755 public hearing for the Southampton Planning Board. We'll have a 3 00:00:19,856 --> 00:00:24,555 roll call, please. Chair Lafaro, present vice chair affinity. Present. 4 00:00:24,656 --> 00:00:31,736 The secretary is presence. Board member Fullman, Fulham. Board member 5 00:00:31,837 --> 00:00:35,816 Glazer. Present. Board member Schultz. Present. Go ahead, member Mutu 6 00:00:35,917 --> 00:00:37,896 is absent. We have a quorum. Thank you. Please join 7 00:00:37,917 --> 00:00:47,649 us for Pledge of Allegiance. One 8 00:00:47,910 --> 00:00:52,209 nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 9 00:00:54,376 --> 00:00:59,109 Thank you. So we'll go in order of the public 10 00:00:59,130 --> 00:01:05,102 hearings, John. Pacomb, pre - app. And we have sufficient 11 00:01:05,283 --> 00:01:07,982 notice council. We do. David, would you like to read 12 00:01:08,483 --> 00:01:10,782 to the record, please? Please take notice that in accordance 13 00:01:10,822 --> 00:01:14,222 with local law number 14 of 2022, a public hearing 14 00:01:14,262 --> 00:01:17,662 will be held. The Southampton Town Planning Board on Thursday, 15 00:01:17,662 --> 00:01:21,422 August 27, 2026 at 6 p. m. at town hall 16 00:01:21,523 --> 00:01:25,182 116 Hampton Road Southampton and via video conferencing to consider 17 00:01:25,222 --> 00:01:29,082 the pre - application for the subdivision McConnell John. The 18 00:01:29,082 --> 00:01:32,142 application proposes a three - lot subdivision on a vacant 19 00:01:32,243 --> 00:01:39,182 2. 2326 acre property, 97, 254 square feet situated in 20 00:01:39,182 --> 00:01:44,062 the R20 zoning district located 18 Vail Avenue, Eastquag County 21 00:01:44,883 --> 00:01:48,222 Tax Map number 900 - 315 - 3 - 24. 22 00:01:54,854 --> 00:02:04,383 You have to use the podium. Father Modium, yeah. I 23 00:02:04,423 --> 00:02:12,500 have a few handouts. Thank you. Thank you for seeing 24 00:02:12,521 --> 00:02:16,420 me. I have, as read a 92, 000 square foot 25 00:02:16,521 --> 00:02:19,980 lot. 2. 25 acres. Can you give us your name 26 00:02:19,980 --> 00:02:24,794 for the record? Sure. John Piccone. 30, we suck avenue, 27 00:02:24,794 --> 00:02:29,957 East Coag, New York. That's all you have. Oh, okay. 28 00:02:30,507 --> 00:02:38,234 Okay. We proposed divided them into three lots of about 29 00:02:38,255 --> 00:02:41,596 32, 000 square foot average a piece. It's our 20 30 00:02:41,636 --> 00:02:49,376 zoning. Two flags, 15 foot wide and told for the 31 00:02:49,797 --> 00:02:52,681 rear, the second and third lot in the rear. The 32 00:02:52,721 --> 00:02:58,255 front lot fronts on the street. I'm told that due 33 00:02:58,255 --> 00:03:00,095 to 15 foot flags on the planning board would decide 34 00:03:00,135 --> 00:03:03,593 what they want for the entrance. And I handed out 35 00:03:03,633 --> 00:03:04,953 some pictures a little out. So you get a good 36 00:03:04,953 --> 00:03:07,273 idea what it is. There's also pictures of the lot 37 00:03:07,313 --> 00:03:12,613 itself. It's current condition going back into it. It was 38 00:03:12,714 --> 00:03:19,698 a farm. Known as Carter Farm, nursery actually. And things 39 00:03:19,698 --> 00:03:22,803 have changed. The family has passed on. Even though a 40 00:03:22,803 --> 00:03:25,603 lot of Carters around here, the low carters in this 41 00:03:25,603 --> 00:03:29,230 land anymore. So if you have any questions, more than 42 00:03:29,230 --> 00:03:33,290 happy answer. To beautifully treed environment here. Yeah, it was 43 00:03:33,290 --> 00:03:36,950 a nursery, and that's old nursery stock, actually. No, I 44 00:03:36,950 --> 00:03:40,190 mean around you. Yes, on the left - hand side, 45 00:03:40,451 --> 00:03:43,630 remnants of the old nursery, which are, I think there 46 00:03:43,630 --> 00:03:46,430 were taxes ones are way overgrown plant that every 30 47 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:49,150 inches or every three feet apart. This is not native, 48 00:03:49,150 --> 00:03:51,630 though. Left there. That's 22 veil. You know the square 49 00:03:51,651 --> 00:03:55,550 footage of loter, excuse me, where footage of lot one? 50 00:03:55,571 --> 00:03:57,630 I believe it's 28, 000. I've got to look it 51 00:03:57,630 --> 00:04:05,912 up here. 27, 996. It's typically we like to keep 52 00:04:06,893 --> 00:04:10,706 the rear lots of naflags larger. I mean, I don't 53 00:04:10,706 --> 00:04:11,946 know whether you can meet the one and a half 54 00:04:12,127 --> 00:04:15,306 times. They probably can't. I believe they all meet it. 55 00:04:15,306 --> 00:04:17,386 But well, let me rephrase that. The two rear lots 56 00:04:17,386 --> 00:04:19,982 meeted for sure. Uh, the front lot, the way that 57 00:04:19,982 --> 00:04:23,022 the property shaped, it made sense to do it that 58 00:04:23,022 --> 00:04:26,122 way, because I have a diagram here. So I can 59 00:04:26,122 --> 00:04:28,862 show you, which majority of the lots are 80 foot 60 00:04:28,902 --> 00:04:31,182 wide in that area. There are some 100 foot wide 61 00:04:31,182 --> 00:04:33,982 ones. There actually is one down the street that has 62 00:04:35,203 --> 00:04:39,890 five 15 foot flags. And one driveway going down about 63 00:04:39,991 --> 00:04:43,170 16 feet wide, which has six slots attached to it. 64 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:58,679 So where is the flag going to be? The north 65 00:04:58,679 --> 00:05:02,228 side, it looks like. Here in the front. On veil. 66 00:05:02,228 --> 00:05:06,751 The north side. That's the driveway. I see. 67 00:05:12,389 --> 00:05:16,502 Here. So is there anyone here who wishes to speak 68 00:05:16,542 --> 00:05:21,207 to this application. Peter, is there anyone on Zoom. No 69 00:05:21,247 --> 00:05:29,102 one. Any more questions from Boar? Motion to close with 70 00:05:29,142 --> 00:05:31,742 the 10 - day written comment period by Dennis, second 71 00:05:31,742 --> 00:05:37,927 bye. Most extensions, seven in favor. Thank you. Thank you. 72 00:05:38,028 --> 00:05:40,807 Thank you. Do you want to take these back? Okay. 73 00:05:40,988 --> 00:05:45,127 The second application is HB Hotel Owners, formerly Drake in. 74 00:05:46,173 --> 00:05:50,552 And what do we have noticed, Christine? Okay, great. Kate, 75 00:05:50,552 --> 00:05:52,152 do you want to refresh that into the record? Yes. 76 00:05:53,109 --> 00:05:55,968 Please take notice that in accordance with local law number 77 00:05:55,989 --> 00:05:58,848 14 of 2022, a public hearing will be held by 78 00:05:58,888 --> 00:06:03,168 the Southampton Town Planning Board on Thursday, August 27, 2026 79 00:06:03,669 --> 00:06:07,488 at 6 p. m. at Town Hall 116, Hampton Road, 80 00:06:07,488 --> 00:06:11,648 Southampton, and via video conferencing to consider the site plan 81 00:06:11,989 --> 00:06:16,608 pre - submission application HB Hotel owner LLC, formerly Drake 82 00:06:16,789 --> 00:06:24,193 N. The existing. Sorry, the site plan application is for, 83 00:06:24,193 --> 00:06:27,393 to convert portions of the existing lobby slash office building 84 00:06:27,574 --> 00:06:31,713 into a continental breakfast bar, an evening bar service to 85 00:06:31,734 --> 00:06:34,993 serve on - site guests through enlargement of the existing 86 00:06:35,254 --> 00:06:39,073 kitchen facilities, as well as to upgrade the existing sanitary 87 00:06:39,113 --> 00:06:42,593 system to a new innovative alternative on - site wastewater 88 00:06:42,593 --> 00:06:47,133 treatment system, consisting of a grease trap, septic tank, and 89 00:06:47,174 --> 00:06:51,633 three leaching galleys. With room for 50 percent future expansion 90 00:06:51,974 --> 00:06:56,433 in accordance with Suffolk County Health Department requirements located at 91 00:06:57,174 --> 00:07:01,313 16 penny lane in the Hamlet of Hampton Bays. Suffolk 92 00:07:01,353 --> 00:07:06,113 County tax map number 900 - 323 - 2 - 93 00:07:06,454 --> 00:07:12,582 15 in a resort waterfront business zoning district. Good evening. 94 00:07:12,947 --> 00:07:18,046 Daphne Vaughn, Surfside Environmental Planning, for Happy Acres Drive Shirley, 95 00:07:18,046 --> 00:07:21,566 New York. Excuse me. So a lot of what I 96 00:07:21,566 --> 00:07:24,126 was going to say was just said. The properties on 97 00:07:24,126 --> 00:07:26,366 the west side of Penny Lane. It has a bulkhead 98 00:07:27,507 --> 00:07:31,226 front - on penny pond. The bulkhead is functional. Uh, 99 00:07:31,226 --> 00:07:35,166 we are in an RWB zoning district. There are multiple 100 00:07:35,206 --> 00:07:38,906 buildings on this property, all functioning as a motel. Uh, 101 00:07:38,906 --> 00:07:43,486 there's a total of 18 units plus, uh, lobby and 102 00:07:43,486 --> 00:07:48,126 office area that are located in the landward most building 103 00:07:48,547 --> 00:07:53,981 closest to the street. Uh, there's also an in - 104 00:07:53,981 --> 00:07:58,461 ground swimming pool with associated patio decking around it that 105 00:07:58,461 --> 00:08:02,301 this board recently issued an administrative approval for us to 106 00:08:02,402 --> 00:08:05,581 refurbish. We actually submitted the building permit for that this 107 00:08:05,602 --> 00:08:13,341 afternoon. Um, so as stated, we are proposing to utilize 108 00:08:13,381 --> 00:08:17,821 the current lobby area for a continental breakfast and bar 109 00:08:17,842 --> 00:08:21,901 service for the hotel guests. Uh, in order to facilitate 110 00:08:22,002 --> 00:08:25,661 this, the street side building, uh, on the property needs 111 00:08:25,762 --> 00:08:33,190 to have some minor interior renovations. Mainly the interior, um, 112 00:08:33,190 --> 00:08:36,330 of the kitchen will have, uh, removal of the cooking 113 00:08:36,511 --> 00:08:43,610 facilities and installation of new dedicated, um, septic system for 114 00:08:43,871 --> 00:08:47,130 these things. Uh, we're going to be putting in a 115 00:08:47,311 --> 00:08:52,330 three compartment sink, a separate mop sink and a commercial 116 00:08:52,511 --> 00:08:55,690 dishwasher. These are all required by the health department and 117 00:08:55,690 --> 00:08:59,770 have already been approved by the Department of Health. Again, 118 00:08:59,791 --> 00:09:03,450 there is a new sanitary system dedicated just for this 119 00:09:03,631 --> 00:09:09,530 purpose. Um, they will only be used for, uh, the 120 00:09:10,111 --> 00:09:13,690 on - site guests. It can accommodate up to 12 121 00:09:14,751 --> 00:09:22,170 people in the seating area. We've gotten a conditional approval. 122 00:09:23,498 --> 00:09:27,597 From the state liquor authority for liquor license. I think 123 00:09:27,597 --> 00:09:31,557 they need something from the town to authorize the use 124 00:09:31,597 --> 00:09:39,949 of the space for the continental breakfast and bar. The 125 00:09:39,970 --> 00:09:42,509 food service is really all going to be pre - 126 00:09:42,509 --> 00:09:47,544 packaged. Food. Uh, for breakfast, uh, with limited drinks and 127 00:09:47,544 --> 00:09:51,304 the snacks as well for the evening, uh, bar service. 128 00:09:51,304 --> 00:09:54,344 So as I said, we've already gotten health department for 129 00:09:54,685 --> 00:09:58,424 the sanitary system and for the food usage, for the 130 00:09:58,464 --> 00:10:04,871 commercial, uh, continental breakfast. I did submit a picture of 131 00:10:04,911 --> 00:10:10,391 the sunroom where the seating area will be located. It's, 132 00:10:10,391 --> 00:10:13,511 there's really no changes to the exterior of the building. 133 00:10:13,511 --> 00:10:17,911 This is all interior swapping of spaces. Teresa mason had 134 00:10:17,951 --> 00:10:22,391 asked me for a floor plan, which we submitted showing 135 00:10:24,252 --> 00:10:27,171 the facilities in the back and then the, you know, 136 00:10:27,452 --> 00:10:32,631 your typical continental breakfast, uh, countertops for the seating area. 137 00:10:35,074 --> 00:10:40,473 Um, that's really, really the gist of the project. Can 138 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:46,173 you say, can you, um, expand, uh, explaining about the 139 00:10:46,434 --> 00:10:49,693 bar, why you are putting a bar in? Well, it's 140 00:10:49,733 --> 00:10:53,053 just for the hotel guests so that they can kind 141 00:10:53,053 --> 00:10:56,333 of mingle together and maybe have a glass of wine, 142 00:10:56,333 --> 00:10:58,573 you know, something beer wine. I don't think there's any 143 00:10:59,634 --> 00:11:04,653 crazy part of their continental breakfast. I mean, I apologize. 144 00:11:04,674 --> 00:11:10,211 Irish heritage. Sometimes maybe that's necessary. No, so it would 145 00:11:10,251 --> 00:11:13,091 be morning for breakfast for the morning. And then in 146 00:11:13,091 --> 00:11:15,091 the evening, you know, to have like kind of meet 147 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:17,571 and greet kind of things. Was there an intention to 148 00:11:17,571 --> 00:11:21,011 have a restaurant there when we first heard about this? 149 00:11:21,011 --> 00:11:23,331 No, no. No more food. So what kind of snacks 150 00:11:23,371 --> 00:11:25,971 are you going to have? Just prepackage? Uh, yeah. He's 151 00:11:25,992 --> 00:11:29,571 got a menu here. He's got nuts and olives, some 152 00:11:29,571 --> 00:11:32,291 chips, a soup that's going to all be bought ready 153 00:11:32,312 --> 00:11:36,371 - made salads, you know, some sandwiches, things that are 154 00:11:36,411 --> 00:11:40,651 just easily... They're going to take out the stove. So 155 00:11:40,651 --> 00:11:43,331 they won't really be able to actually cook on site. 156 00:11:43,331 --> 00:11:47,571 It's just a matter of having these separate sinks and 157 00:11:47,592 --> 00:11:51,971 dishwasher for commercial facilities. And I don't even know that 158 00:11:52,011 --> 00:11:54,531 he's using plates. I believe it's all going to be 159 00:11:54,571 --> 00:11:59,731 like, you know, throw away plastic. So why does he 160 00:11:59,731 --> 00:12:01,891 need the dishwasher, do you think? Oh no, it's a 161 00:12:01,931 --> 00:12:07,811 health department probably. Yeah, you're probably right for glassware. Where's 162 00:12:07,832 --> 00:12:10,211 the septic system going to go? The new septic system? 163 00:12:10,472 --> 00:12:14,434 Just right between... So it's the landward most building. There's 164 00:12:14,695 --> 00:12:20,077 going to be, actually, the surveys right here. So this 165 00:12:20,117 --> 00:12:24,477 is the building where we'll be taking place and there's 166 00:12:24,477 --> 00:12:25,597 going to be a septic here. I don't think this 167 00:12:25,637 --> 00:12:28,317 is the right map. This, I think, is the one 168 00:12:28,317 --> 00:12:32,870 that goes for the pool. But we've submitted multiple things. 169 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:35,510 The septic is furthest away from the water. Yes, it's 170 00:12:35,771 --> 00:12:38,070 way all the way up here. And we already have 171 00:12:38,171 --> 00:12:41,190 a health department approval for that. And what's in the 172 00:12:41,230 --> 00:12:45,616 building now. Right now it's basically a lobby. There's a 173 00:12:45,616 --> 00:12:48,816 small office and the couple of units in that building. 174 00:12:48,816 --> 00:12:51,696 So the units would be unchanged. It's just the hangout 175 00:12:51,736 --> 00:12:54,736 area for the check - in. So they're just utilizing 176 00:12:54,757 --> 00:12:59,717 it for people to sit and eat something quick. And 177 00:12:59,738 --> 00:13:02,045 go on with their day. Will it be open to 178 00:13:02,045 --> 00:13:04,925 the public other than the hotel guests? No, not at 179 00:13:04,925 --> 00:13:08,365 all. Just strictly for the guests. And the health department 180 00:13:08,405 --> 00:13:11,565 has also made that stipulation that it's for on - 181 00:13:11,565 --> 00:13:15,854 premise guests. Only no public. So there wouldn't be any 182 00:13:15,955 --> 00:13:19,294 need for additional parking or it's whoever's there staying at 183 00:13:20,115 --> 00:13:29,837 the motel would have access to these services. It's 184 00:13:29,858 --> 00:13:34,197 unusual that we have breakfast and then a bar. So 185 00:13:34,197 --> 00:13:38,877 that's what we're asking questions about it. I think part 186 00:13:38,917 --> 00:13:40,957 of it is to try to get people to actually 187 00:13:42,418 --> 00:13:46,777 communicate with each other in a vacation setting. You know, 188 00:13:46,777 --> 00:13:49,414 I don't know. I think that's the gist of it. 189 00:13:50,071 --> 00:13:54,850 To connect people. Barr will certainly help. And coffee in 190 00:13:54,850 --> 00:13:59,970 the morning. Yeah, exactly. I'm with you, Florian. And I'm 191 00:14:00,010 --> 00:14:02,450 sorry, and I should remember this. How many rooms are 192 00:14:02,490 --> 00:14:06,330 there at the 18 units? There's 18 units. And the 193 00:14:06,330 --> 00:14:13,558 population is mainly tourists or? Yeah. Families, tourists, couples, you 194 00:14:13,558 --> 00:14:15,658 know, that kind of a thing. Transit use. This day 195 00:14:15,658 --> 00:14:19,418 is what two weeks. So what's the, uh, I really 196 00:14:19,418 --> 00:14:22,618 don't know offhand, but it's a motel. So it's not 197 00:14:22,719 --> 00:14:29,630 like long - term. Might be just weekend guests kind 198 00:14:29,670 --> 00:14:34,077 of thing, you know, weekly. Typical. Okay. So is there 199 00:14:34,077 --> 00:14:38,038 anyone here who wants to speak to the application. Is 200 00:14:38,059 --> 00:14:42,376 there anyone on Zoom, Peter. No one. Are there any 201 00:14:42,416 --> 00:14:46,849 more questions on the planning board? No. Okay. Um, so 202 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:52,289 let's close with a, this is a regular site planet 203 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:57,009 comment period. Motion. Motion by, is that Kate? Yep. Yep. 204 00:14:57,270 --> 00:15:02,049 Second byestly. Leslie, all in favor. Aye. Post abstention, seven 205 00:15:02,049 --> 00:15:09,455 in favor. Thank you. Thank you. Moving on to item 206 00:15:09,495 --> 00:15:14,643 number three. Sim Realty lot 25, 11 fox hollow. I 207 00:15:14,643 --> 00:15:19,169 don't have any. No notice on it. Okay. No notice. 208 00:15:19,169 --> 00:15:25,239 That means we can't open. Uh, then we'll jump to 209 00:15:25,260 --> 00:15:31,645 number four, Lee Concord. And, um, I'm going to read 210 00:15:31,645 --> 00:15:35,399 it. Yes. Please. We have notice. We have noted. Sorry. 211 00:15:36,471 --> 00:15:39,330 Please take notice that in accordance with local law number 212 00:15:39,431 --> 00:15:43,010 14 of 2022, a public hearing will be held by 213 00:15:43,050 --> 00:15:47,730 the Southampton town planning board on Thursday, August 27th, 2026 214 00:15:47,831 --> 00:15:52,050 at 6 p. m. at Town Hall 116, Hampton Road, 215 00:15:52,050 --> 00:15:55,570 Southampton and via video conferencing to consider the site plan 216 00:15:55,671 --> 00:16:01,085 application entitled One Lee Concord. This site plan slash special 217 00:16:01,346 --> 00:16:05,325 exception application proposes to convert the use of five out 218 00:16:05,365 --> 00:16:08,685 of six units of the south structure references building A 219 00:16:09,266 --> 00:16:13,485 on the previously approved site plan entitled National Development Corporation 220 00:16:13,826 --> 00:16:17,805 with an overall footprint of 15, 048 square feet from 221 00:16:18,146 --> 00:16:21,725 general and special trade contractor to a pedel sports club 222 00:16:22,146 --> 00:16:27,100 consisting of three pedel quarts. Pro shop office warmup space 223 00:16:27,681 --> 00:16:32,060 to locker rooms, two water closets and 746 square feet 224 00:16:32,321 --> 00:16:36,860 mezzanine viewing area on a parcel measuring 2. 788 acres 225 00:16:38,001 --> 00:16:42,300 in the LI40 zoning district. And within the New York 226 00:16:42,481 --> 00:16:46,540 state archaeological sensitive areas located at one leak on court 227 00:16:46,561 --> 00:16:50,060 tuck a hoe suffolk county tax map number 900 - 228 00:16:50,321 --> 00:16:52,940 158 - 2 - 8. 14. 229 00:17:00,333 --> 00:17:04,258 Had a concern. Well, the concern should be the notice. 230 00:17:04,258 --> 00:17:13,809 I can't pull after this. Uh, okay. Okay. Carl 231 00:17:13,849 --> 00:17:16,849 Benicasa, 860 Montalk. Howie watermelon, New York for the applicant 232 00:17:17,030 --> 00:17:20,049 with me also as John Woodsman, who will be conducting 233 00:17:20,089 --> 00:17:24,755 the build out of the internal renovations we're discussing. Today. 234 00:17:24,755 --> 00:17:28,275 And Ryan Frankel, who's a member of the applicant LLC, 235 00:17:28,275 --> 00:17:32,115 and will be running and operating the facility once up 236 00:17:32,115 --> 00:17:36,355 and running. As mentioned, what we're dealing with today is 237 00:17:36,456 --> 00:17:43,555 an entirely internal renovation and site plan application. The development 238 00:17:43,595 --> 00:17:50,778 will not change any exterior elements. Of this structure. As 239 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:55,738 mentioned, the southern building, which is the, uh, that you're 240 00:17:55,738 --> 00:17:59,991 looking at there consists of six units. And five of 241 00:17:59,991 --> 00:18:04,664 them will be used for the purposes mentioned. Previously by 242 00:18:04,685 --> 00:18:11,380 Leslie. The internally there will be three pedel courts. And 243 00:18:12,601 --> 00:18:14,740 a, uh, there was a mention of a mezzanine area, 244 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:17,380 which was part of our discussion previously. That is being 245 00:18:17,420 --> 00:18:20,100 removed from the application. So there will not be a 246 00:18:20,140 --> 00:18:23,060 mezzanine area. I know there had been some express concern 247 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:28,943 about congregating perhaps more demand on occupancy. So while we 248 00:18:28,943 --> 00:18:31,183 do not believe that would have had much of an 249 00:18:31,223 --> 00:18:35,188 impact we are removing the mezzanine area. Uh, as we 250 00:18:35,188 --> 00:18:40,535 proceed with this application. The major concern when we first 251 00:18:40,716 --> 00:18:46,355 spoke was parking. And I have prepared, as we mentioned, 252 00:18:46,395 --> 00:18:49,555 there is no set parking governance in the code with 253 00:18:49,656 --> 00:18:53,555 respect to this use. It's a very, um, specified use. 254 00:18:54,302 --> 00:19:00,681 So when we spoke originally, we had estimated that each 255 00:19:00,862 --> 00:19:05,721 court would have about an hour use per game or 256 00:19:05,822 --> 00:19:07,561 match whatever you want to call it. And the maximum 257 00:19:08,222 --> 00:19:12,355 usage would be, uh, four people per court. I think 258 00:19:12,616 --> 00:19:15,875 Ryan will explain briefly that we were certainly underestimating the 259 00:19:15,896 --> 00:19:19,055 amount of time that people use that. And actually, uh, 260 00:19:19,416 --> 00:19:23,400 many games are two hours long. So that is actually 261 00:19:23,421 --> 00:19:26,200 working in favor of your concerns. There'll be less demand 262 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,880 on parking. There'll be less, um, in and out of 263 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,390 the facility, which would have less impact on traffic. The 264 00:19:33,731 --> 00:19:37,630 occupancy ratings demonstrate that the calculated occupancy, again, this is 265 00:19:37,651 --> 00:19:41,450 subject to review and approval by the fire marshal, but 266 00:19:41,571 --> 00:19:47,550 it's estimated to be 143. 66. Now under the code, 267 00:19:47,550 --> 00:19:50,510 you have to do, you have to provide, um, as 268 00:19:50,510 --> 00:19:54,910 one space for every three of occupancy, which would require 269 00:19:55,411 --> 00:19:58,990 48 spaces. Now, as you may recall, there are 48 270 00:19:59,011 --> 00:20:02,470 spaces devoted to this building. But eight of them have 271 00:20:02,510 --> 00:20:07,229 to be associated with that six unit. So cannot be 272 00:20:07,269 --> 00:20:10,349 used for this. So the occupancy load put us at 273 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:16,509 eight space deficit. However, given the, uh, approval authority of 274 00:20:16,509 --> 00:20:20,509 this board and its ability to act within, you know, 275 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:23,749 the practical reality of how this is actually going to 276 00:20:23,749 --> 00:20:27,229 work. I would just note that Pidell courts, the square 277 00:20:27,229 --> 00:20:31,469 footage of the pedal courts is about 6, 534 square 278 00:20:31,509 --> 00:20:35,309 feet and only 12 people at most can use that. 279 00:20:35,309 --> 00:20:38,349 So I think that the occupancy calculations based on square 280 00:20:38,389 --> 00:20:41,789 footage don't appropriately apply here. And I would think the 281 00:20:42,290 --> 00:20:46,429 fire marshal will, uh, will reiterate that in determining their 282 00:20:46,450 --> 00:20:51,709 calculations. So essentially 6, 500 square feet of commercial space. 283 00:20:51,709 --> 00:20:53,149 But at most you're going to have 12 people in 284 00:20:53,189 --> 00:20:58,394 that space. During the, during their matches. So what we 285 00:20:58,434 --> 00:21:03,354 had proposed, uh, and in consultation with our engineer was 286 00:21:03,375 --> 00:21:06,874 that we would have, we would allot for 12 spaces 287 00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:11,602 for anyone on the court. 12 spaces for anyone that 288 00:21:11,703 --> 00:21:15,002 was just finished their match and leaving the court. 12 289 00:21:15,002 --> 00:21:18,162 spaces for people coming that would be next in line 290 00:21:18,162 --> 00:21:21,442 to play on the game to play a match. And 291 00:21:21,442 --> 00:21:27,362 then four spaces for staff, one full time staff operating 292 00:21:27,402 --> 00:21:31,171 staff and then three instructors is the estimate. So when 293 00:21:31,211 --> 00:21:36,931 you factor the actual use that the actual specifics of 294 00:21:36,971 --> 00:21:40,771 the use, uh, we think that parking is more than 295 00:21:41,432 --> 00:21:46,051 accommodated by this. I would also note that the total 296 00:21:47,272 --> 00:21:52,611 development has 96 spaces and that, uh, those spaces are 297 00:21:52,792 --> 00:21:57,125 rarely used up. Given the current uses. So if there 298 00:21:57,146 --> 00:22:01,045 were spillover and spillover is always possible. Our parking calculations 299 00:22:01,066 --> 00:22:04,645 are based on an estimations and they're based on best 300 00:22:04,666 --> 00:22:07,685 guesses. But even for a standard parking calculation at a 301 00:22:07,685 --> 00:22:10,325 restaurant, you could have everyone coming in their own car 302 00:22:10,666 --> 00:22:13,498 and that would far exceed what's provided. So in the 303 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:18,058 event unlikely event of a spillover, there is most likely 304 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,938 very adequate spillover parking that could be utilized in the 305 00:22:22,938 --> 00:22:26,306 rest of the development. I think that those were the 306 00:22:26,327 --> 00:22:30,306 primary concerns. Ryan, if you want to come up and 307 00:22:30,346 --> 00:22:33,586 just sort of talk about how these facilities work, what 308 00:22:33,586 --> 00:22:36,509 kind of demands they place on parking and traffic. I 309 00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:40,189 know that you're not necessarily well acquainted with these facilities 310 00:22:40,530 --> 00:22:42,269 because there are not that many. So I think this 311 00:22:42,309 --> 00:22:50,489 could be very helpful for you. Good evening. Members of 312 00:22:50,489 --> 00:22:53,889 the board. Thank you for taking the time to review 313 00:22:53,929 --> 00:22:57,889 our application. Really appreciate that. Um, just a quick intro 314 00:22:57,990 --> 00:23:01,089 to who I am. I am one of the applicants. 315 00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:02,989 Um, and I am also the operating partner of the 316 00:23:02,989 --> 00:23:06,689 business that is leasing the five units in one leak 317 00:23:06,689 --> 00:23:09,969 on court. Um, just a really quick background of myself, 318 00:23:09,969 --> 00:23:12,769 um, I've lived in the Hamptons area for almost 15 319 00:23:12,769 --> 00:23:16,209 years now, um, I was serving it predominantly as a 320 00:23:16,209 --> 00:23:20,289 tennis professional. Um, and more recently as a paddle professional. 321 00:23:20,289 --> 00:23:21,649 So I do a little bit of tennis and also 322 00:23:21,670 --> 00:23:24,609 paddle. Um, so I'm just giving you that background just 323 00:23:24,609 --> 00:23:25,969 so you know that I have a bit of experience 324 00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:29,489 with, uh, with the sports themselves. And as a consumer 325 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:35,649 and also an instructor, I've been in many different paddle 326 00:23:35,649 --> 00:23:37,889 clubs. And I know how they run and how they 327 00:23:37,929 --> 00:23:41,969 operate. Um, so just, just, um, so that's, uh, that's 328 00:23:42,009 --> 00:23:45,809 there on the table. Um, so yeah, as Carl mentioned, 329 00:23:45,809 --> 00:23:49,309 uh, with predominantly going to be a private club, um, 330 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:52,669 and also I do want to just stress that, um, 331 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:56,609 with these paddle clubs, it's not a set time that 332 00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:59,889 everyone comes at the same time. They're naturally very staggered. 333 00:23:59,889 --> 00:24:02,689 Um, so some will may come, let's say at 8 334 00:24:02,689 --> 00:24:04,609 a. m. and then another match could be at 8. 335 00:24:04,609 --> 00:24:07,569 30 a. m. So in terms of traffic coming in 336 00:24:07,609 --> 00:24:09,729 and out, it's not going to be concentrated with 7 337 00:24:09,769 --> 00:24:11,649 a. m. 80 m, 9 a. m. or the courts 338 00:24:11,670 --> 00:24:15,489 are full at the same time. Um, so that will 339 00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:19,969 help with traffic flow in general. Um, also Kyle did 340 00:24:19,969 --> 00:24:23,249 mention about there being three groups with the time that 341 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:27,729 we're expecting, which is two hours per session. Um, we're 342 00:24:27,729 --> 00:24:31,169 actually only really going to have one group waiting and 343 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:33,009 one group playing. We're not even going to, that group 344 00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:36,369 that finished would have gone long before that next group, 345 00:24:36,369 --> 00:24:38,929 uh, would have come to play. So realistically, it's only 346 00:24:38,929 --> 00:24:41,889 going to be 24 cars maximum. Um, and then the 347 00:24:41,889 --> 00:24:45,489 minimum, assuming we've completely busy, uh, clearly full, which I'm 348 00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:48,129 actually also going to touch on a second, um, that 349 00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:51,809 would, it could be anywhere between three to 24 cars 350 00:24:51,849 --> 00:24:55,209 to, yeah, cause the four people per court, yeah. So 351 00:24:55,209 --> 00:24:57,329 it could be as little as three cars on our 352 00:24:57,369 --> 00:24:59,569 busiest time, but it could be absolute maximum. It could 353 00:24:59,569 --> 00:25:02,209 be up to 24 cars. Um, but that is worst 354 00:25:02,249 --> 00:25:05,089 case scenario. But like I said with the staggering start 355 00:25:05,129 --> 00:25:09,849 times and predominantly, uh, what we're expecting usage wise, I 356 00:25:09,910 --> 00:25:13,409 also, I'm not sure if, um, uh, the, uh, the 357 00:25:13,409 --> 00:25:16,269 operating summary was shared, but we submitted it a few 358 00:25:16,269 --> 00:25:19,569 weeks ago. Just one thing I want to, I want 359 00:25:19,569 --> 00:25:22,689 to stress also is that where our business model is 360 00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:26,049 more in favor of our members, um, so we want 361 00:25:26,049 --> 00:25:29,729 to make sure that our members have caught availability when 362 00:25:29,769 --> 00:25:32,609 they want. So we're not trying our business, business model 363 00:25:32,649 --> 00:25:39,209 isn't to try and fill the courts relatively low. So 364 00:25:39,270 --> 00:25:42,689 the members can have courts when they want. So we're 365 00:25:42,729 --> 00:25:46,689 anticipating somewhere between 30 to 35 percent court utilization on 366 00:25:46,729 --> 00:25:49,569 average. We understand that there will be busier times and 367 00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:53,169 there'll be less busier times. Um, but so yeah, out 368 00:25:53,270 --> 00:25:56,529 of essentially three court bookings, we're only expecting one to 369 00:25:56,569 --> 00:25:59,089 be filled on average. So we're not, we're not trying 370 00:25:59,089 --> 00:26:02,369 to keep this place fully packed at all times. We're 371 00:26:02,369 --> 00:26:07,369 really trying to benefit our membership with this. Um, so 372 00:26:07,409 --> 00:26:12,289 I'm just making sure I haven't forgotten anything. Also, I 373 00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:15,409 know that there was a question about, uh, tournaments, et 374 00:26:15,409 --> 00:26:18,329 cetera, in the last meeting. Um, I just want to 375 00:26:18,590 --> 00:26:21,289 make sure that, um, that if we do have any 376 00:26:21,329 --> 00:26:23,689 tournaments, and I know this as a consumer of playing 377 00:26:23,790 --> 00:26:27,129 some tournaments myself is that, um, there is, they're scheduled 378 00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:29,529 start times. So when I play, I played in the 379 00:26:29,569 --> 00:26:33,049 US Open paddle, which was the first one, um, ever 380 00:26:33,150 --> 00:26:35,289 a couple of years ago. They give you schedule start 381 00:26:35,329 --> 00:26:37,609 time. So if the 10 a. m. start time for 382 00:26:37,649 --> 00:26:40,009 a tournament, then you show up maybe 20, 30 minutes 383 00:26:40,049 --> 00:26:43,609 before. And at least you know whereabouts when you'll be 384 00:26:43,609 --> 00:26:45,369 playing. People aren't going to be hanging around. Maybe they'll 385 00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:48,249 go into town to do whatever they want to do. 386 00:26:48,249 --> 00:26:50,169 And then they'll come and play, et cetera. So it's 387 00:26:50,209 --> 00:26:51,929 not like everyone's going to be hanging out at the 388 00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:55,489 space at all times during a tournament, for example. As 389 00:26:55,489 --> 00:26:57,129 of right now, we're not planning on any, but I 390 00:26:57,129 --> 00:26:58,729 know that was a question that came up. So I 391 00:26:58,729 --> 00:27:03,424 did want to just address that as well. Um, and 392 00:27:03,925 --> 00:27:07,984 I think that's pretty much where we're at. We want 393 00:27:07,984 --> 00:27:10,464 to, we're really, we're going to allow non - members, 394 00:27:10,464 --> 00:27:14,304 but on a much more restrictive, um, kind of booking 395 00:27:14,304 --> 00:27:17,104 process. So, so again, we really want to make sure 396 00:27:17,205 --> 00:27:21,264 our membership is satisfied. And also if we get to 397 00:27:21,365 --> 00:27:23,984 a stage where we feel like our membership isn't satisfied, 398 00:27:23,984 --> 00:27:25,904 then we will cut up non - members and we'll 399 00:27:25,944 --> 00:27:28,704 just make sure that the membership get the court time 400 00:27:28,704 --> 00:27:32,464 that they want. And we'll also potentially cap membership numbers 401 00:27:32,565 --> 00:27:34,384 at a certain point if we feel like we're getting 402 00:27:34,424 --> 00:27:36,944 to a stage where people are not getting the courts. 403 00:27:36,944 --> 00:27:38,604 They want. And three courts is not a lot. Um, 404 00:27:38,604 --> 00:27:41,184 and with 12 people, it could get to a stage 405 00:27:41,224 --> 00:27:44,064 where we'll have to cap it, hopefully, in practice for 406 00:27:44,565 --> 00:27:49,584 ourselves. Um, and as of, that's all I have written 407 00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:51,664 down. So I'm happy to answer any questions on the 408 00:27:51,704 --> 00:27:55,184 operating side as well. Will you be operating year round? 409 00:27:55,184 --> 00:27:57,984 Yes. We're planning on operating year on months. Yes. Are 410 00:27:58,024 --> 00:28:00,704 you planning any on - site amenities like a snack 411 00:28:00,704 --> 00:28:04,224 barb? Yeah. So the pro shop where there'll be rackets 412 00:28:04,264 --> 00:28:07,744 for sale and maybe some items of clothing. But it's, 413 00:28:07,744 --> 00:28:10,304 it's a very small pro shop. I don't see anyone 414 00:28:10,344 --> 00:28:12,304 being in there longer than 10 or 15 minutes at 415 00:28:12,344 --> 00:28:19,201 any time. Will there be any restaurant or no restaurant? 416 00:28:19,201 --> 00:28:21,281 We're not planning on making any food on site or 417 00:28:21,281 --> 00:28:24,321 anything along those. The letter does say that the refreshment 418 00:28:24,321 --> 00:28:28,561 area. Yes. Yeah. So that essentially means like a fridge 419 00:28:28,582 --> 00:28:32,161 for drinks, but like non - alcoholic drinks, it would 420 00:28:32,161 --> 00:28:35,718 just be like Gatorades, waters, et cetera. How many members 421 00:28:36,299 --> 00:28:39,558 you anticipating? That's a great question. Um, so the thing 422 00:28:39,598 --> 00:28:42,038 is with these membership clubs and working at a couple 423 00:28:42,038 --> 00:28:44,678 of membership clubs myself, it really depends on how active 424 00:28:44,779 --> 00:28:49,878 the membership is. If it's, we could, let's say we 425 00:28:49,918 --> 00:28:52,518 get 150 members and they're all very active. We might 426 00:28:52,518 --> 00:28:54,198 have the cap it at that. But if we also 427 00:28:54,198 --> 00:28:55,958 have a, let's say we have 200 members and 100 428 00:28:55,998 --> 00:28:57,718 members and not that actor, maybe they play once a 429 00:28:57,758 --> 00:29:01,158 week as opposed to three or four times a week, 430 00:29:01,158 --> 00:29:03,958 then that could affect the number that we get to. 431 00:29:03,958 --> 00:29:06,358 We don't have a specific number, but I guess we're 432 00:29:06,358 --> 00:29:08,518 going to kind of figure it out as we go. 433 00:29:08,518 --> 00:29:10,518 Cause again, keeping the membership happier is on number one 434 00:29:10,539 --> 00:29:13,981 priority. With this. And we have a staff person who's 435 00:29:14,021 --> 00:29:16,941 coordinating all of that. Yes, exactly. I'll actually, I'm actually 436 00:29:16,981 --> 00:29:19,901 planning on being on site full time myself. Um, so 437 00:29:20,002 --> 00:29:24,941 it'll be locally owned and also locally run as well. 438 00:29:25,282 --> 00:29:28,221 There's three other instructors. So yeah, those instructions will only 439 00:29:28,261 --> 00:29:30,021 be there if we need them. They're not going to 440 00:29:30,021 --> 00:29:33,901 be there full time. And truthfully that. So that again, 441 00:29:33,901 --> 00:29:35,581 it comes down to that park and calculation a little 442 00:29:35,581 --> 00:29:38,621 bit where we say 28 is maximum. Truthfully, if we 443 00:29:38,621 --> 00:29:40,461 need our instructors, which we get us up to those 444 00:29:40,722 --> 00:29:43,181 four numbers, it would be less people on site because 445 00:29:43,181 --> 00:29:46,461 they'll be taking private lessons and potentially. So it could 446 00:29:46,461 --> 00:29:49,341 only be one member with one coaching staff. So, so 447 00:29:50,002 --> 00:29:52,141 in practice, it would actually be a little bit less 448 00:29:52,242 --> 00:29:55,981 than 28 because we don't, we only really need one 449 00:29:56,482 --> 00:29:59,261 person on site at any time if there's no private 450 00:29:59,282 --> 00:30:01,821 lessons or anything along those lines. And if you have 451 00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:05,421 a tournament that you don't know yet whether you will. 452 00:30:05,421 --> 00:30:07,901 Is there an area for spectators? So we did remove 453 00:30:07,941 --> 00:30:10,221 that mezzanine for now because we wanted to, we just 454 00:30:10,221 --> 00:30:11,901 wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to be 455 00:30:11,901 --> 00:30:14,141 too much congregation, especially at the beginning. We don't want 456 00:30:14,181 --> 00:30:16,461 to, we don't want to feel like we're overchiving this 457 00:30:16,461 --> 00:30:19,741 space. And I know there was concerns with traffic and 458 00:30:19,741 --> 00:30:21,981 parking. So we wanted to make sure we address that. 459 00:30:21,981 --> 00:30:25,341 Um, technically, could you watch from outside the court? Yes. 460 00:30:25,341 --> 00:30:29,741 But it's not truthfully recommended because it's, it's pretty close 461 00:30:29,842 --> 00:30:32,461 to the area of play. So we, so there's not 462 00:30:32,461 --> 00:30:35,780 room for many spectators to be honest with you. And 463 00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:38,260 can you talk a little bit about the balance? It's 464 00:30:38,260 --> 00:30:42,500 described as a membership, uh, club, but you mentioned that 465 00:30:42,761 --> 00:30:45,220 there might be some open times. Can you talk a 466 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:47,460 little bit more about the non - member you said? 467 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:51,620 Of course. Yes. So I think it's more of a, 468 00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:54,740 it's like I said, predominantly membership, but we also want 469 00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:56,660 to expose people to the sport that might not have 470 00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:59,620 played it as the board may notice. It's a relatively 471 00:30:59,641 --> 00:31:02,260 new sport. I don't even know how to pronounce it 472 00:31:02,441 --> 00:31:04,900 if it's padel or paddle. Yeah. So you're asking the 473 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:08,340 right person for that actually. So a purist would always 474 00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:10,900 call it paddle. It's always pronounced paddle. That's the purist 475 00:31:11,161 --> 00:31:15,780 name. But what happened is that the sport that's in 476 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:18,420 a lot of country clubs, especially in the northeast, it's 477 00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:21,220 called platform tennis that can also be called paddle tennis. 478 00:31:21,220 --> 00:31:23,220 And that's where that was confusion. So some people just 479 00:31:23,260 --> 00:31:26,160 started calling it pedel. Um, and actually has a bit 480 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,180 more of a nice ring to it. So I actually 481 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:31,620 like Pidel, but a purist of the sport would argue 482 00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:35,623 with you how it's pronounced truthfully. Well, thank you for 483 00:31:35,644 --> 00:31:40,103 that. That's not possible. Sorry. Very important to our deliberations, 484 00:31:40,103 --> 00:31:42,183 but also the non - member piece. Let me touch 485 00:31:42,183 --> 00:31:45,383 that. That was how you envision bringing people in marketing 486 00:31:45,484 --> 00:31:49,223 it, you know? Yeah. So as I said, we're going 487 00:31:49,223 --> 00:31:52,183 to push memberships as much as possible. Um, but again, 488 00:31:52,183 --> 00:31:54,343 we want to get our membership up. So if the 489 00:31:54,343 --> 00:31:55,943 people, for example, that are local that are in the 490 00:31:55,943 --> 00:31:58,103 area that haven't played or want to check it out, 491 00:31:58,103 --> 00:31:59,783 we want to give them the opportunity to come and 492 00:31:59,783 --> 00:32:02,543 enjoy it, especially in, in the off season. I feel 493 00:32:02,543 --> 00:32:07,063 like it's a good opportunity for some indoor activity from 494 00:32:07,084 --> 00:32:09,543 other people that I speak to. That's something that can 495 00:32:09,543 --> 00:32:11,123 be a little bit of a lack of that, uh, 496 00:32:11,123 --> 00:32:13,943 in the area. Um, so we're going to do that 497 00:32:14,284 --> 00:32:16,023 at the beginning just to kind of get some good 498 00:32:16,124 --> 00:32:19,943 exposure for the, for the sport. And then the goal 499 00:32:19,964 --> 00:32:23,223 is to just convert everyone into members. And there will 500 00:32:23,223 --> 00:32:24,983 be a limit on how many non - members can 501 00:32:25,023 --> 00:32:27,919 play. During certain time, especially if it's busy. They wouldn't 502 00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:30,319 be allowed to just come whenever they want. So we're 503 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:31,919 going to try the non - members is more of 504 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:35,519 like a starting tool to have available to build up 505 00:32:35,540 --> 00:32:38,639 our membership base. And also just to touch on that 506 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:43,419 also paddle is a four person sport in general. You 507 00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:46,559 can play one versus one cross court. But in general, 508 00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:49,039 it's four people. So it's actually kind of difficult to 509 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:51,759 find four people that are always the same level that 510 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,359 they're going to have a good time. So having a 511 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,759 one on two non - members joining in games can 512 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,479 just help with the membership being happier with it as 513 00:32:58,479 --> 00:33:04,781 well. Um, but so yeah, that's. Will you have any 514 00:33:05,042 --> 00:33:08,861 showering facilities? No, no plans on showering facilities. Just a 515 00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:11,021 bathroom. One bath. So we're going to have one men's 516 00:33:11,282 --> 00:33:14,061 ADA compliant bathroom. One women's bought and is currently five 517 00:33:14,322 --> 00:33:19,096 and we're actually eliminating three of the bathrooms. So it'd 518 00:33:19,096 --> 00:33:23,154 be nice. I'll septic do you have an eye. What 519 00:33:23,194 --> 00:33:29,062 type of subject. I think was it. Check actually? I 520 00:33:29,062 --> 00:33:32,262 know the load is sufficient. I can check the actual. 521 00:33:32,262 --> 00:33:35,222 I'll provide written comment. Okay. And Carl, what's in the 522 00:33:35,222 --> 00:33:39,843 sixth space? What's in the storage. Store it. But not 523 00:33:39,883 --> 00:33:49,043 your storage. Not our storage, separate storage. Okay. It's a 524 00:33:49,043 --> 00:33:55,469 regular septic system. Mr. Woodsman was aware. This facility was 525 00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:59,869 built before the IA systems were actually usable. Um, so 526 00:34:00,050 --> 00:34:03,309 this went with a conventional septic system. Uh, the ethyl 527 00:34:03,309 --> 00:34:06,749 went load from the paddle club is going to be 528 00:34:07,010 --> 00:34:10,509 substantially less than the, uh, workman and the constant use 529 00:34:10,549 --> 00:34:12,749 of the buildings right now. It's going to be taking 530 00:34:13,090 --> 00:34:15,149 a tremendous amount of load off of the septic system. 531 00:34:21,865 --> 00:34:23,844 Is there anyone here who wants to speak to the 532 00:34:23,884 --> 00:34:33,604 application. If you'd like to, yeah, absolutely. Please. Hello. I'm 533 00:34:34,025 --> 00:34:38,804 Laura Milinshaw and I'm a local resident here. My husband, 534 00:34:38,804 --> 00:34:40,564 my kids and I, we live on five Cameron Way. 535 00:34:40,564 --> 00:34:44,164 We've known Ryan for many years. And he's taught my 536 00:34:44,204 --> 00:34:46,884 kids how to play tennis. And now we're very into 537 00:34:46,985 --> 00:34:50,564 Pidel. And I think this Pidell club, whenever we heard 538 00:34:51,465 --> 00:34:52,964 started speaking about it, we thought it would be fantastic 539 00:34:53,225 --> 00:34:56,784 idea because we love the fact that it's indoors. And 540 00:34:56,784 --> 00:35:00,004 this would really be additive to the town and provide 541 00:35:00,665 --> 00:35:05,284 activity for our kids, for us, for many members of 542 00:35:05,284 --> 00:35:08,404 the community as well. And the off season when it's 543 00:35:08,425 --> 00:35:11,284 raining last weekend, it would have been a perfect activity 544 00:35:12,105 --> 00:35:14,964 when it was a washout. And, um, I think it's 545 00:35:14,985 --> 00:35:18,884 a fantastic idea. So, uh, just here to voice my 546 00:35:18,884 --> 00:35:22,937 support for the project. Great. Thank you. Sure. Is there 547 00:35:22,937 --> 00:35:27,401 anyone else. Is there anyone on Zoom, Peter. No one. 548 00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:33,833 Are there any more questions from aboard. Um, I would 549 00:35:33,854 --> 00:35:39,113 just note, uh, that I was the closest residential area, 550 00:35:39,113 --> 00:35:42,073 as you can see to the west is the driving 551 00:35:42,174 --> 00:35:45,173 range to the south. There's an open space and the 552 00:35:45,173 --> 00:35:49,562 train tracks to the east is more industrial. Directly to 553 00:35:49,562 --> 00:35:52,762 the north as the second building, but just to the 554 00:35:52,863 --> 00:35:56,202 north, there's that housing community. And the president of that 555 00:35:56,383 --> 00:35:59,162 housing community reached out to me with questions about this. 556 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,979 And, uh, we had a nice conversation. His only concern 557 00:36:02,979 --> 00:36:06,499 was, is there going to be any exterior alterations when 558 00:36:06,499 --> 00:36:08,739 I told them there were not, he said there were, 559 00:36:08,739 --> 00:36:14,043 he had no concerns. Well, that's good. Okay. No more 560 00:36:14,083 --> 00:36:17,429 questions. Entertain a motion to close with a 10 day 561 00:36:17,530 --> 00:36:20,229 written comment period by Kate, second by David, all in 562 00:36:20,269 --> 00:36:24,171 favor. Aye. Opposed abstentions, seven in favor. Thank you very 563 00:36:24,211 --> 00:36:28,411 much. Thanks. Section favor. Six and favor, sorry. Yes. One 564 00:36:28,451 --> 00:36:35,228 absent. And motion to adjourn. Yeah. Peter, is that attorney 565 00:36:35,489 --> 00:36:44,093 still on Zoom. Yes. Bringing one now. Okay. This is 566 00:36:44,274 --> 00:36:45,933 where sim reality lot 25. 567 00:37:01,848 --> 00:37:03,427 I may have to read it. Oh no, you weren't 568 00:37:03,427 --> 00:37:06,067 reading it. No, no. Hi. Good evening. Can you see 569 00:37:06,088 --> 00:37:14,025 and hear me? Yes. I'm Will Shapiro. I'm the attorney 570 00:37:14,286 --> 00:37:16,585 for the applicant on this matter. I believe my client 571 00:37:16,766 --> 00:37:19,625 is also, um, attending by a Zoom. I don't know 572 00:37:19,625 --> 00:37:24,425 if we can get him on right now. Um, Mr. 573 00:37:24,526 --> 00:37:27,545 Shapiro, we don't have jurisdictions open the hearing or anything. 574 00:37:27,545 --> 00:37:31,225 I have none of the required paperwork that was filed. 575 00:37:31,225 --> 00:37:33,945 We shouldn't get filed. The, the affidavits you mean? Correct. 576 00:37:35,155 --> 00:37:37,374 I emailed those in earlier today and I just sent 577 00:37:37,374 --> 00:37:41,701 them again, um, to the secretary of the board. I 578 00:37:41,741 --> 00:37:44,181 need the physical actual, it's okay to do that in 579 00:37:44,221 --> 00:37:46,981 advance, but they didn't get them until now because they 580 00:37:46,981 --> 00:37:48,981 were in planning board all day. And I don't have, 581 00:37:48,981 --> 00:37:52,386 I need the actual documents. To open the hearing. Hard 582 00:37:52,386 --> 00:38:01,679 copy. We can't be hurt tonight. I mean, the notices 583 00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:06,239 were sent out. Um, I mean, my assistant was out 584 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,759 today. I would have had her dropped them off if 585 00:38:07,759 --> 00:38:10,982 I knew that the hard copies were needed. Well, you 586 00:38:10,982 --> 00:38:13,222 need to file originals, right? When you take testimony and 587 00:38:13,222 --> 00:38:16,502 stuff, I can bring the originals tomorrow. Um, I understand 588 00:38:17,083 --> 00:38:19,924 that's maybe. Procedurally backwards, but if you could just make 589 00:38:19,945 --> 00:38:22,884 an exception, um, that would be appreciated. But if your 590 00:38:22,884 --> 00:38:26,484 hands are tied, I also understand that schedule. Whatever the 591 00:38:26,524 --> 00:38:30,564 board wants to do. Yeah. We can get you on 592 00:38:30,564 --> 00:38:36,915 the next hearing public hearing. He needs time to, if 593 00:38:36,915 --> 00:38:41,349 that gives him time to post and. Are you saying 594 00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:45,589 that you complied with everything? Absolutely. I personally went to 595 00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:48,309 the property and hung the posters up in my client 596 00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:52,389 who's on the, um, who's on the Zoom. He was 597 00:38:52,429 --> 00:38:55,409 at the house today. My assistant, Jilly and Lewis, she 598 00:38:55,409 --> 00:38:59,029 mailed out the, um, notices to all the adjoining landowners. 599 00:38:59,029 --> 00:39:03,029 She signed the affidavit. I have it right. And then 600 00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:06,790 it was up 10 days prior to today. Yeah. Hosting. 601 00:39:08,682 --> 00:39:11,141 This is the affidavit for my assistant. And I emailed 602 00:39:11,181 --> 00:39:13,141 this. So I don't know if you could read it. 603 00:39:13,141 --> 00:39:14,341 I mean, I'm just trying to show you on that 604 00:39:15,322 --> 00:39:17,461 Mr. Shapiro. You really have more at risk than we 605 00:39:17,461 --> 00:39:21,621 do in terms of something somebody is contesting this. We're 606 00:39:21,621 --> 00:39:24,421 here. You're going to have your application that would be 607 00:39:24,442 --> 00:39:28,421 a jeopardy. So he is an attorney. So, um, I'm 608 00:39:28,461 --> 00:39:33,381 going to assume he's telling the truth. And we, it's 609 00:39:33,381 --> 00:39:35,941 up to the board. It's really still at your discretion. 610 00:39:35,941 --> 00:39:39,941 You can open this tonight. Leave it open. Um, till 611 00:39:39,941 --> 00:39:42,421 the next hearing date and, you know, if you want 612 00:39:42,421 --> 00:39:49,303 to, um, it's up to you. I'm sorry. There's a 613 00:39:49,343 --> 00:39:52,583 new. I'm a neighbor. I lived at 32 fox hollow. 614 00:39:52,583 --> 00:39:55,303 We absolutely had the notice posted 10 days ago because 615 00:39:55,343 --> 00:39:57,463 I sent a picture to a family member trying to 616 00:39:57,463 --> 00:39:59,783 figure out what it was. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. 617 00:39:59,783 --> 00:40:01,943 I just for legal purposes. I need to take the 618 00:40:02,044 --> 00:40:04,983 attorneys. I'll take his word for it until he'll show 619 00:40:04,983 --> 00:40:07,223 me this. If you can bring them here and keep 620 00:40:07,324 --> 00:40:11,523 my open photograph of the notes, if you could, um, 621 00:40:11,964 --> 00:40:14,943 make sure we get this stuff the originals tomorrow, if 622 00:40:14,943 --> 00:40:17,143 the board chooses to open this tonight. If we open 623 00:40:17,564 --> 00:40:19,303 it, do we have to keep it open? I would 624 00:40:19,343 --> 00:40:22,463 keep it open to the next hearing. I would. So 625 00:40:22,463 --> 00:40:24,583 until we have that document, right, and we can show 626 00:40:24,583 --> 00:40:26,423 it. And then if anybody shows up that night, we'll 627 00:40:26,423 --> 00:40:29,889 hear them. If not, we'll close it. And go on 628 00:40:29,929 --> 00:40:34,118 our way. So, um, let's read this into the record. 629 00:40:37,503 --> 00:40:41,402 You want to read it, Denice? Sure. It's number one. 630 00:40:41,402 --> 00:40:45,002 Okay. Number three. Number three. Number three. Please take notice 631 00:40:45,103 --> 00:40:47,962 of the chords with local law 14 2022 Republicarian will 632 00:40:48,002 --> 00:40:50,122 be held by the South Am town. Planning port on 633 00:40:50,143 --> 00:40:53,999 Thursday, August 27, 2026. At 6 p. m. town hall 634 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:57,919 116 Hampton Road, Southampton via video conferencing to consider covenant 635 00:40:57,940 --> 00:41:04,079 amendment application entitled SIM Realty Associate Slot 25. The subject 636 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,879 property, Leavened Fox Hollow Drive, he's quag tax map number 637 00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:13,919 900 288 to 16 known as lots 25 of simrealty 638 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:18,079 is approximately 1. 89 acres situate in the CR80 zoning 639 00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,799 district with the act for protection overlay district is shown 640 00:41:20,839 --> 00:41:24,479 on the survey prepared by Salis land serving date February 641 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:30,079 3rd, 2021. And last survives July 3rd, 2025 and is 642 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:37,975 requesting to allow for additional clearing. Okay. Thank you. Uh, 643 00:41:38,076 --> 00:41:40,375 first off, I want to thank the board for hearing 644 00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:43,575 us tonight. I seriously appreciate you guys being flexible on 645 00:41:43,615 --> 00:41:45,475 that and taking my word for. That means a lot 646 00:41:45,475 --> 00:41:47,495 to me personally and as an attorney. So thank you 647 00:41:47,495 --> 00:41:49,815 for that. It's an initial matter. Can you get us 648 00:41:49,815 --> 00:41:51,895 your name for the record? I'm sorry. Yes. I'm Will 649 00:41:51,916 --> 00:41:55,938 Shapiro. My address is 135 Main Street, West Hampton Beach. 650 00:41:56,243 --> 00:41:59,102 New York 11978. I'm here on behalf of the owners 651 00:41:59,102 --> 00:42:04,255 of 11 Fox Hollow, Mark and Donni Stein. Um, we're 652 00:42:04,255 --> 00:42:08,255 not actually looking to increase existing clearing. We're just looking 653 00:42:08,276 --> 00:42:12,735 to legalize the existing clearing. Um, I don't know if 654 00:42:12,836 --> 00:42:16,015 all the board members were able to review my application 655 00:42:16,036 --> 00:42:19,695 letter. Um, but my clients purchased the property, um, in 656 00:42:19,796 --> 00:42:24,395 2025, um, they have not cleared any additional property. Um, 657 00:42:24,436 --> 00:42:29,135 I provided in my application a bunch of, uh, historical 658 00:42:29,236 --> 00:42:33,135 references of the property, like some aerials and some surveys. 659 00:42:33,135 --> 00:42:36,655 So the property based on the most recent survey from 660 00:42:36,996 --> 00:42:41,695 Scalise land surveying is at 31 percent cleared The subdivision 661 00:42:41,796 --> 00:42:48,735 declaration allows 20 percent overlay district would be 35 percent. 662 00:42:48,836 --> 00:42:54,395 So that's why I requested the 35 percent's mouth, but 663 00:42:54,395 --> 00:42:57,295 I don't think there's any plan to clear an additional 664 00:42:57,796 --> 00:43:00,975 four percent I just went with the 35 percent number 665 00:43:01,236 --> 00:43:09,535 because prior amendments to the clear and restriction granted in 666 00:43:09,535 --> 00:43:12,735 this subdivision that I referenced in my application on lot 667 00:43:12,916 --> 00:43:20,183 10 and I believe 27. So that's kind of where 668 00:43:20,223 --> 00:43:22,103 we are. We're just trying to make sure the property 669 00:43:22,204 --> 00:43:24,823 is legal so that we can proceed with some building 670 00:43:25,004 --> 00:43:29,143 permits and whatnot Uh, the property again is to urderate. 671 00:43:29,143 --> 00:43:35,457 It's currently a 31 percent. The subdivision declarations. That's always 672 00:43:35,457 --> 00:43:41,898 good. No questions from board the purpose of having the 673 00:43:41,938 --> 00:43:44,938 hearing is to give you for the public to be 674 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:49,898 made aware that your property is not within the current 675 00:43:49,999 --> 00:43:54,938 subdivision clearing restrictions So by keeping the it opened right 676 00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:00,217 give neighbors the opportunity to opine on that. And we 677 00:44:00,398 --> 00:44:03,337 have a neighbor Right and we have and there Yeah 678 00:44:03,358 --> 00:44:06,057 no one is here so Well, we do have someone 679 00:44:06,398 --> 00:44:09,976 Did you want to speak. Do it I'm in favor 680 00:44:10,016 --> 00:44:13,016 of it yet That's the podium Tell us who you 681 00:44:13,016 --> 00:44:13,816 are right. 682 00:44:23,633 --> 00:44:27,765 Give us your name please David Hart. Family trust owns 683 00:44:27,946 --> 00:44:35,320 32 fox hollow. I'm at the exact number I'm at 684 00:44:35,501 --> 00:44:40,564 32 percent cleared. Of them being able to clear. I 685 00:44:40,564 --> 00:44:43,204 live in the area and I've seen my house this 686 00:44:43,244 --> 00:44:47,444 year in the last six months has had Uh, half 687 00:44:47,484 --> 00:44:51,189 a dozen trees fall. The the pine beetle issue is 688 00:44:51,610 --> 00:44:54,709 killing a lot of the trees But I've had actually 689 00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:59,197 two oaks fall. This year one fell into the pool. 690 00:44:59,982 --> 00:45:03,561 Uh, thankfully the way it fell it did not harm 691 00:45:03,561 --> 00:45:07,041 anyone in that storm That happened on I think it 692 00:45:07,041 --> 00:45:09,881 was July 3rd or July 4th that sudden storm that 693 00:45:09,921 --> 00:45:12,545 came up. Uh, it ripped one of the trees in 694 00:45:12,545 --> 00:45:15,904 the yard in half. And so I Want them to 695 00:45:15,904 --> 00:45:19,504 be able to do that because The area the trees 696 00:45:19,504 --> 00:45:21,184 right now There seem to be a lot of problems 697 00:45:21,765 --> 00:45:24,864 Not just with the pines, but with the oaks The 698 00:45:24,864 --> 00:45:27,744 other tree in my yard that fell When they cut 699 00:45:27,784 --> 00:45:31,184 it down I could provide pictures for the board Um, 700 00:45:32,165 --> 00:45:36,944 carpenter ants had literally made it like a cartoon There 701 00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:39,504 was that bad The trunk of the tree was 12 702 00:45:39,525 --> 00:45:42,384 inches and the inside was missing nine inches of wood. 703 00:45:43,172 --> 00:45:49,822 It was crazy. And so. They are I'm surprised it 704 00:45:49,862 --> 00:45:52,462 says that they're at 31 percent cleared I walked the 705 00:45:52,462 --> 00:45:56,246 property this morning. And I would have thought they were 706 00:45:56,267 --> 00:45:58,166 less clear than that But I'd like them to be 707 00:45:58,166 --> 00:46:00,935 able to clear. What they want or keep it cleared. 708 00:46:02,048 --> 00:46:07,387 Because I think I appreciate that the need for protecting 709 00:46:08,048 --> 00:46:10,907 and following the rules for the area I forget what 710 00:46:10,947 --> 00:46:16,330 it is for the aquifer protection. And keeping a certain 711 00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:19,292 amount of coverage on the ground. But there are a 712 00:46:19,292 --> 00:46:22,172 lot of problems with both the oaks and the pines 713 00:46:22,353 --> 00:46:25,816 in there. And I don't know some of my pines 714 00:46:26,077 --> 00:46:29,748 and oaks are falling because there's an invasive vine. That 715 00:46:29,929 --> 00:46:33,348 has grown up And I can't do anything to the 716 00:46:33,388 --> 00:46:36,148 fine because I have to keep that area Uh... covered. 717 00:46:37,744 --> 00:46:40,443 And so I just wanted to make sure I stood 718 00:46:40,483 --> 00:46:43,984 up for a neighbor I've never actually met them. I've 719 00:46:43,984 --> 00:46:46,864 seen them They just did an addition on their home 720 00:46:47,845 --> 00:46:50,464 So I wanted to make sure to come and stand 721 00:46:50,464 --> 00:46:55,404 up. And make the board aware. Great Thank you very 722 00:46:55,444 --> 00:47:01,416 much Mr. Thank you. Anybody on Zoom. Anyone on Zoom. 723 00:47:02,251 --> 00:47:06,602 Peter. Anyone else. Okay we're going to keep this open 724 00:47:06,783 --> 00:47:09,402 until the next Do we have space on the next 725 00:47:10,383 --> 00:47:15,643 Um... Public hearing date. Hopefully they'll just see an open 726 00:47:15,904 --> 00:47:25,308 and a close. Yeah. Unless people show up. But it's 727 00:47:25,308 --> 00:47:29,978 quick. Yeah Okay so we'll reschedule it for What's the 728 00:47:30,018 --> 00:47:36,718 date. September 10. No we're giving the date You don't 729 00:47:36,718 --> 00:47:38,318 need to renoice it We don't have to re - 730 00:47:38,318 --> 00:47:40,638 notice it Excuse me I'm sorry The it looks like 731 00:47:40,659 --> 00:47:45,014 the actual applicant wants to talk. Who does the owner 732 00:47:45,115 --> 00:47:50,176 The applicant. Yes wanted to say something please Okay. 733 00:47:58,485 --> 00:48:03,415 Please go ahead. Yes waiting for his clock. To get 734 00:48:03,436 --> 00:48:07,147 something Oh his client. Per he is A little avatar. 735 00:48:14,662 --> 00:48:16,961 Hello? Can you hear me? Yes Can we have your 736 00:48:16,961 --> 00:48:20,561 name please? Yes I'm Mark Stein My wife and I 737 00:48:20,902 --> 00:48:23,776 own the property. I Just I just want to thank 738 00:48:23,816 --> 00:48:28,656 you for hearing us out tonight and just asking if 739 00:48:28,757 --> 00:48:34,096 there's any possible way that We can Dispense with this 740 00:48:34,117 --> 00:48:39,769 tonight as opposed to delaying a whole nother month. Is 741 00:48:39,769 --> 00:48:42,999 there any possible way. We can't take an action tonight. 742 00:48:43,757 --> 00:48:49,799 It's a hearing night. This is a public hearing Uh... 743 00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:57,748 Portion So the planning board doesn't. Take actions on application 744 00:48:57,748 --> 00:49:02,478 So we've rescheduled it for. September 10 And maybe you 745 00:49:02,478 --> 00:49:05,038 could just do it by Zoom then Because it Okay 746 00:49:05,139 --> 00:49:08,506 September 10th. Yeah. And if nobody shows up at that 747 00:49:08,506 --> 00:49:11,786 point The board would more than likely close it and 748 00:49:11,826 --> 00:49:13,786 may or may not have a written common period Okay 749 00:49:13,887 --> 00:49:16,746 great Thank you very very much You're welcome Thank you. 750 00:49:18,481 --> 00:49:21,020 Thank you guys always a pleasure appearing before you have 751 00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:26,803 a nice night. Okay so we've noticed it But we've 752 00:49:26,904 --> 00:49:30,163 scheduled it for September 10.