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Peace in the body, what is it and how do we experience it?

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This is the question, Ren and Fallen explore in season 3 of Muhedde's co-labor for peace.

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When it comes to healing in your stuck-in healing, where can we invite in that energetic ease,

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bringing you expert advice and healing from a host of practices and practitioners,

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Ren and Fallen seek to increase, complete wellness and lasting peace, one insight at a time.

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Hey, hello, and welcome to the show.

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This is Mojede's Colleva for Peace, and I'm your host,

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Ren Rivera, you know, your co-host Fallen Stone.

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This is episode 6 of Season 3, Peace and the Body, and we're back with Lauren Rosa

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to continue the conversation about women's health,

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integrative medicine, and all the things you should know

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about caring for your body,

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whether you're identifying male, female,

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it's all important for all of us to know.

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So, where did we leave off?

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We were talking about food, right?

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We were talking about mineralizing the body.

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And I was sharing about my decision to go vegan in order to reduce inflammation.

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And since then we just had a little conversation with our histamine.

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So you want to talk about histamine?

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I would love everybody to hear about what you were just mentioning.

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Yeah, I mean, I hear you also with the choice to be vegan.

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I also love vegan for over a decade when I didn't feel all agree in my body.

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didn't really know what else to do. Other than cutout, you know, large groups of foods.

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And I see that very often someone in my practice as well, that they choose to go vegetarian

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or vegan and for health purposes. And pretty soon we're going to be eating rice and vegan water

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and vegetables. But unfortunately with a vegan diet, I think that you can feel good for the first

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period, like because we're cutting out a lot of whether it's processed foods or processed needs or

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process things and kind of going to a whole food side. The thing about a vegan diet, though

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that I think is, can be really difficult to do, is one meat nutritional needs. So those

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certain key nutrients, the vitamins, you know, be 12 is one of the course vegans needs

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to supplement what because you can't get from, from just plant foods alone. But there's other

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are really important fat-style little nutrients,

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retinol, vitamin A, vitamin K is another big one.

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And this is really important, especially in the conversation

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around pre-conception and infertility.

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But all that to say is there's certain nutrients,

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many nutrients that are just really hard to get on a vegan diet,

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even if you are the master of vegan diets and self-minting.

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And I think that this is true for the female physiology.

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When our hormones are so sensitive to nutritional inputs

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and deficiencies. I find that men can very often actually be on a vegan diet. They can

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instrument and fast. They can be on a more restrictive diet and it can be okay for their physiology.

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They might have more stress resilience to the nutrients versus our hormones, especially the hormones

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that create the egg and the falkal and then the progesterone that can just state that egg,

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they are cholesterol-based. So they really need a good input of that and of saturated fats,

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which you really just can't get on a vegan diet.

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Yeah, brilliant.

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And from a histamine perspective,

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you know, a lot of plant foods contain histamine.

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So sometimes for chronic symptoms,

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or chronic GI symptoms, skin things,

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brain fog fatigue.

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It could actually be an excess or an overload of histamine.

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Like broccoli and cauliflower or your skin.

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Yes, spinach, tomatoes, or high-in histamine.

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left over is as we were talking about our high in testimony and sometimes we have this constant

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input, let's see, so I mean, a testimony that can do a lot of damage to your gut lining

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and then can show up in other places in your body. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm going to replay that part.

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Oh, yeah. Thank you for sharing that. I'm just to think about that. I've got to let that settle in

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and just like figure out how I'm going to move forward with that information.

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It's a vicious, you know, like, you were mentioning the medical or the healthcare and I wanted to call it mechanistic or mechanical. That's what I wanted to call it.

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And I, and hearing so much of myself like being in that mechanical mode around food, like that elimination, just a whole process rather than like knowing this information and moving from that.

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So I'm gonna really, like, journal about this.

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I'm gonna go to, go shopping differently.

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And yeah, I'd talk with a lot of people

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differently about how that would be.

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Yeah, it's a big topic.

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I feel like we can have a whole podcast just

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on the nutrition piece.

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But yeah, I feel really passionate about how we fuel our bodies

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as women, because it becomes our cell.

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like what we're putting in is what we're getting out and especially from a mineral standpoint,

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minerals you can think of as the spark plugs of the body. They create every enzymatic,

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every cellular function so that minerals create the enzymes, the enzymes create the processes that

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create hormones. So if we were deficient in our minerals it's eventually going to lead to

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outcomes in the way that our hormones are being produced. And from a preconception lens that's

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critical, you know, we're not only using so much of our minerals, so then create new life.

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But if there is a deficiency there, it can show up, you know, from the time that we are

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trying to conceive all the way through to our metaphors years. And traditional Chinese medicine,

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they believe that how you nourish your body and pregnancy and in the first 40 days after

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post-partum is how it'll show up in your body for the next 40 years. So wow. So

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if you are deficient in minerals and pregnancy or post-partum, you're

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journeyed to perimenopause and menopause is going to look a lot more difficult

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because you're actually completely depleted from that time frame. Wow. Do you

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think that impacts fertility more than we talk about? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I

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think a lot of our foods are just mineral deficient. Our soils are

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unfortunately very mineral deficient. So even if we're getting really, you know, organic produce,

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it can be devoid of the minerals that we need, which is why I feel like looking at it through

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one framework I really love is West and A Price. I don't know if you've ever viewed that.

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He is a dentist and a scientist that went all around the world and looked at Indigenous cultures

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and how they ate food and how that reflected from a dental perspective and the health of

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team and their bone structure of their face. And you could see and just one generation from

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eating a Western diet, processed foods diet versus an ancestral diet, how that can fully

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change the framework of our faces in our bone structure.

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So yeah, and so he linked that to eating an ancestral, like I was mentioning, a diet rich and saturated fat.

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Because then you get the vitamin A, the vitamin K, the vitamin D, naturally which goes on to, yeah, and form our whole structure.

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It seems like women need so much more of a foundation throughout their journey of life, because it's like, again, you're cycling with the moon, right?

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how are you building your minerals, your nutrition, your sleep, your rest, your cortisol, your

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adrenaline balance, throughout that whole cycle and how it's impacting your hormones across

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the course of that entire cycle and entire month you're working with it and then pre-conception,

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conception, postpartum, how that then goes on to effect.

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It's so foundational.

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if we are able to eat those in our cyclical years,

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can then, like you said, set the foundation for our bodies

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to have the nutrients from the meat to the end.

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if we can fill in our etch and we're going to have a nourish our bodies,

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a very nutrient mineral-desped way, using animal foods, plant foods, herbs, then we can show

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up in the most part of time completely reoriented because we are resource-innerished.

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Yeah, that's beautiful and it just shows that there's so much that goes into it like conscious

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pre-conception makes sense, not just from what we were talking about earlier of connection

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to the surrender, and trust, and timing, and if I mention on connection, I can actually

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disappear, but also a, like, a fundamental resource in the poverty to prepare to

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explore this initiation, and absolutely. Yeah, and I really ideally want to do something.

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Do you want to put her? It's just kind of okay. When, um, I do, then when you have a man,

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I give them a 12 month framework to work with in terms of pre-conception, because you have

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to think all the minerals, all the nutrients that go into creating a healthy life, same

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thing with a sperm.

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We want to make sure that we're creating a healthy sperm, and it takes at least three months

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to put those nutrients into that creation of the eggs and sperm.

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working on stress resiliency, nervous system, and nutrition to have the best outcomes for both

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ourselves and for all of us.

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Yes, I know you want me to hold you. I could try that too.

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So we had talked a little bit about rituals in the last episode and I think you probably have

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ritual ideas for post delivery or that next new person that you become or that women are with their babies.

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What kind of thoughts do you have on that?

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From a preconception standpoint, I feel like really bringing awareness to the spirit.

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Baby that you're calling in and taking time with your partner to hold your intention for who you'll become,

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who you want to be as parents, you know,

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what will it look like for your world

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to dramatically change and even just taking the time

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and the pause from a busy life to call in that baby

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and communicate with them.

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I think that can be really potent.

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I was telling Fallon on the way here that my son,

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and I was not the mom that had that idea.

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When he was three years old, he said to me,

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I chose you to be my mommy.

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When he was three and I was like, there's no way I, you got that from me, but yeah, that was totally original, so

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there's so much mystery. It can be a dialogue totally. Yeah, so divine. And I think there's so much that goes into it too.

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Like even a child's temperament, you can see in a way that they choose to come through like this time

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of coming into the body. You can see it in your, you know, pregnancy and you can start

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and you're feeling your birth.

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Like their temperament,

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there's spiel, how it impacts all of it.

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So forming a connection with that.

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So power, power, power, power, power, power, power, power, power.

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I'm gonna pick her up.

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Good luck.

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This is a more special.

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She's seen me.

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Good luck.

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Have a good year on this screen too.

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Yeah, I did.

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You're smile.

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Is she sped it?

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You wanna see that again?

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You're the first podcast.

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So you're the first podcast.

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You're the first podcast.

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So yeah, I love that idea because I fully believe that how we live our lives is how we

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birth their babies and that can be a hard, a hard realization as well, especially when you

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don't get the birth outcome that you want or if you're planning for a home birth, the thing

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that rush to the hospital,

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in any birth scenario, I think that there's no good or bad birth.

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It's just birth.

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It's just bringing babies forward but I think that there can be a message in how you are

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cultivating the safety in your body and if truly deep down you don't feel safe at home

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but you're planning a home birth that will manifest itself in a way that is going

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to allow you to feel the most safety which is also divine which is also divine.

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Beautiful.

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And then rituals from a postpartum perspective, one that I feel really passionate about

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is something called closing of the bones and this is the lineage that I was taught

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My teacher was Rushelle, Garcia, Silica.

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She is a midwife in the US, but was trained in Mexico.

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Um, and she said the practice there was intended to be shared with all women.

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Um, and this lineage, this, this ceremony, closing in the bones or at last at

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Ada, um, really is, is intended for the first 40 days after that 40 day period, but

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can be any time postpartum because as a woman after having a child, you are always postpartum.

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We tell women that the postpartum is just the first six weeks and after that, then you're

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good. But postpartum is really like time. And even if you have child loss, you're still

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in postpartum. Absolutely. Yeah, it's a normal way to speak it. Yeah, every time I'm carrying

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If I didn't see it in a matter of how long you are in your postpartum.

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So, Lassadada is using ribosos, so Mexican cloths, woven cloths to close all the centers of your body.

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So, you were wrapped head to toe, almost like a mummy.

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Oh, because we're honoring that death and then as you're unwrapped we're honoring the rebirth.

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So, it's a way to be witnessed in that transformation.

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And then that's that out of the closing is actually the closing of your energy body and the closing of your kicks which both become very open in the burying process.

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And so many women in my practice that have gone through right birth in their in postpartum, it's really that connection of not feeling seen.

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And even bringing the awareness to, yeah, that the spursion of you died. Right? And then it creates all this room for them to feel all this grief. That was manifesting in their body as physical symptoms.

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Like sadness or pain or disconnection, and to even just recognize, yeah, there's grief here in this new foreign joy in beauty of life.

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and I kind of hold space for that. Again, it's like the eldership, but it's the permission of just

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being in community with other women who can give you a frame for some of these pieces that has been

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long lost. So, so important. Yeah. Because in the postpartum, right, you are going through a death and then

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rebirth, but in the middle, ideally we are fully seen in witness and feel safe enough to come.

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come on done. We need to come and done. So come back together. And that process of coming

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and done for a lot of women if it's unsupported and can manifest as postpartum depression or

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anxiety, because we're not being honored and held in that way by our community, right? But

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knowing how to come undone well. Just being able to come and done and being so poor at that.

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Yeah, and to know it's normal and to know it makes sense and it's not that you're doing something wrong or something's broken

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support and time and

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Safety is the community that you have around you and

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part of my journey with my second postpartum period was really developing that community years

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ahead of time so that I could feel fully healthy seeing. And it made such a difference for

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my first postpartum to now. I could feel the difference in the safety of my body and that I can

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call on women and I can, you know, have more meals brought to me and I can be on the phone and

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crying and be vulnerable and be seen in it versus feeling so alone and so isolated, which I

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a lot of them and feel and when we don't have that, can you just support us?

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Yeah, bring normalcy and permission to it is everything.

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It's just being witnessed in your grief with honesty and presence is the only thing you need for

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that experience to not manifest as trauma in the body, but to alcoholize as peace in the body

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is just being witnessed in your process.

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You know, there's so much space for that process and that process is good.

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Yeah. We should be with the dying. Absolutely.

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who should be with the color you know that. One framework that my teacher

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Michelle taught was that in utero baby has two layers of support in the

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placenta there's the core on and the amni on two layers and the placenta

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the support baby and giving baby everything the baby. Once baby is out baby has

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two layers of support they have mom and dad or mom and partner and that

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continues to ripple out. So if everyone in this scenario needs two layers of

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for where can mom create two layers of support?

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and then she needs another layer of support

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to constantly be there for her.

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but we need those people around us constantly

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in the postpartum to not feel alone.

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also needs two layers of support,

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but their two layers cannot be the burning person,

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cannot be the mom.

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The mom cannot support anyone other than the baby.

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So, how does then the father or the partner get two layers of support?

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That's often actually the hardest question to answer.

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Any deeper communities?

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And the deeper can go forward.

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Thank you for raising that.

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It was a transition that I was going to make.

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And I don't remember how it was in my head.

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But it's gone.

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So, I'm going to just very, like, unskillfully suggest that we,

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ask or have a conversation around menopause that next big leap of transition and I wonder

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because when I think about this like when you explain this closing of the bones, I really

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felt myself in that ceremony being like a skewer and then it's like an initiation, right?

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like welcomed and and like what would that be like as someone who is now in menopause

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in a society that is so violent or like anti-age instead of hiding in the shadows like oh

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Okay, so you no longer have met a menstruation.

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You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

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you're getting discarded, right.

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You don't go away, go hide the shadows.

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And that's like, it becomes internalized.

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Even if I'm proactive and not buying that,

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but not choosing that, it's still like in me.

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And so I, in my mind, was in that ceremony.

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And I'm like, I didn't just have a baby,

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but I totally receive that gift of welcome to a new face of myself.

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It has needed and necessary in that phase too, absolutely.

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And it can be used then. Yeah, that's closing the bones.

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It can be used then, you guys.

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But yeah, it's such an important question because I also think that from a medical standpoint,

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that's also how women are being perceived, right? It's like it in menopause or approaching menopause.

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you might come to your medical provider and say, I have all these symptoms, I don't feel

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it's hard. And their response is probably going to be here as an SSRI. Or again, here is

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the pill until you go through menopause. The FDA just a few days ago has approved the hormonal

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placement therapy is being safe now. Yeah. And I've seen so many women who were, yeah,

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So like, you're just being thrown into a well, it's in your mind, here's an SSRI and a good luck.

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It's ugly, it's expensive, it's humiliating even from a female doctor, yeah.

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I've had a really tough time personally.

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I'm curious because you were mentioning so much about the beauty of estrogen and progesterone in harmony.

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Personally, I wonder is it too late for me to use the hormone replacement therapy?

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I do know that it's available at my local store, and I've been like, do we do it?

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So the Pyramine Pause period can last from a few years, to even up to a decade.

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Inventapaz.

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Safeway, where we look at the whole system and make sure that, is it okay, is it okay?

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She's wonderful. So I think that when we do that in a safeway, and we look, again, the whole system, we can zoom out.

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So, you know, with using biodesical estrogen, it's still an important, we still want to make sure

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liver might need support or if you're not having a bowel movement every day to detox estrogen

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that we support some other systems so that the body can utilize those hormones appropriately.

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But I think that from a bio-identical standpoint, right hormones that are produced biologically in a way that our body will know and receive

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versus synthetic hormone from Big Farmer, that is prescribed to you.

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The bioidentical hormone, the body will know what to do.

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I think can place it fully in its hormone receptor.

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I think you can utilize hormones really at in a safe way,

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at any age in menopause, especially when you are dealing with hot flashes,

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or vaginal trinis, or hair loss, or mood shifts, or dry skin.

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Um, I have to put a plug-in for Ashwaganda.

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Yes.

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When I was hot flashing, I went off Ashwaganda, someone told me about it, and it changed

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my mind like, when one day, and one day, it was like, oh my gosh, it's amazing.

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And I went off to do some study for six weeks, and it was, I was like, why did I do this

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to my son?

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Because what's happening?

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So Ashwaganda is support for the adrenal and for that stretch response.

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And what's happening in menopause when you reach menopause is your body is shifting from making hormones from your ovaries to then primarily making hormones from your adrenals.

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So that adrenals support in menopause is really important.

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And also that nourishing is key, right? How we're nourishing your body?

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So that nourishment part is really true, how we're nourishing our bodies in each phase is going to

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show up in the men of Huzzle Years, because we need so much nutrients and minerals and nourishment

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to keep that stress response. That's natural to keep, you know, to give the body all the resources

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that needs for the shift to the whole life process, and in terms of eldership as well,

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like this is another key component of the lost art of eldership as well. This is an initiation

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of right of passage into eldership and into deep life wisdom. And that should be met with reverence,

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and listening, and community. This is really the phase that I see as the village coming to you,

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bowing at your feet, asking you for your wisdom.

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That makes me think of matriarchal animal cultures.

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Like the queen bee or the banobo matriarch,

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calling all the shots and telling everybody,

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nope, that's no good, whatever.

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It should be a room for you at a time.

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And that truly is the biological function of Metapods.

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It's for you to stay around to then pass your wisdom

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and pass your knowledge onto those younger generations.

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It's just all I want to do.

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Because we don't support that.

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The traditional level on a nutritional level

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through a medical level, through a community model,

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it's a lot harder.

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Yeah, it's a lot harder.

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Imagine if just like when you enter into menstruation,

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if we could have the same process of exiting.

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So we're, again, we're not trying to put you in that patriarchal bubble.

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But with metaphors, you could be waking up at 2 or 3 a.m. now.

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What if you didn't have to go to work?

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What if you could wake up at 2am and journal your thoughts?

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What if you could be alive with that process?

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Yeah, do the things that are interesting to you versus having to shut that down and take a pill to sleep through the night because you need to function for the next day.

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And this is so problematic really because the best thing for the world is for women to be supported for women to be okay because when we're okay

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then everyone else is a little more okay

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and the world is more okay.

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And so if we're nourished and to really accessing

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the deepest layers of our wisdom

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of our intuition of our medicine,

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then that's just service.

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This is an every layer, how we can access

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a life of service,

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how are we supported and nourished enough

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to be able to serve that we're alchemists.

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So what we're gonna care to do

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is to take the pain of the world,

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the questions of the world, the grief of the world,

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to move it through our bodies and to make it into something rather artists in a way.

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But in order to be in our fullest power and potential, we need to be supported.

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And on a foundational level, because these pieces are all building upon each other.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the things we do in each episode of

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had a school labor-for-piece episode is a heart check-in and I would love to close out

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with a heart check-in. What you just mentioned is just like being alchemists being able to breathe in,

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pain and breathe out grace and love and trust and hope is really like it is the inspiration and

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in my heart with that. So thank you, Helen. And I also want to share

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just recently, and this has just changed this changing me so much. Breathing,

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I've always focused on in the breath work and you'll get in the breath work of the inhale.

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But the exhale, thinking about the exhale coming. So if we inhale out, just say, you know, like,

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like, our wings, the exhale coming from the back into the heart. Just exhale and from the back into

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heart, not getting rid of your, all of your energy out into the world. Sorry, my hand was too close. Your face. But just just right into the heart. Exhale. Right into the heart, feeling up that space, but light with love with all of, and that's not out missed, then that it feels like the inner

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welcoming of that exhale right there and having enough right in the heart space and then choosing

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where's where's the where's the reserve for everyone else so that's that's that's my heart

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chicken to either you have a word or two or phrase or share about my heart is feeling just so full

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and fully ignited because I think that this conversation is so important and that I just

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feel it deep in my bones that this is what I want to be talking about really for the

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rest of my life to educate women because it's such it's life changing if you can understand this

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information understand how to nourish your system understand how to move and honor your cycles

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and create processes of initiation and be held by your community like what I truly believe is

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how we change generations.

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How we change communities, how we change the world. So, I feel so full to be able to talk today about all that you are in.

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You're such a trailblazer. Thank you for your wisdom. It's beautiful. Obviously, it's changed my life. I think we should have two in episode one, don't we? You're so women.

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Yeah, to echo what the both of you are saying feels really full and I think it's beautiful to have each generation of women represented in the space, little solely.

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Oh, yeah, all the shifts, postpartum, pregnancy, and, yeah, coming into, yeah, coming into your deepest wisdom, and this is the phase of this chapter.

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So beautiful. So it just feels really inspiring to view it all of you in each of these phases. So cyclical, really important conversations to happen.

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I always feel so like uplifting to be able to have them in these spaces.

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Thank you.

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Well, on that note, thank you for watching.

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We wish you complete wellness and lasting peace.

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In this episode six season three piece in the body of Moveda's Colabre for Peace.

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And as always, if anything really touched you or if you have any questions, please reach out.

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We love to hear how this landed with all of you.

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Thanks for tuning in. Until next time.

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Bye.