[0:11] I'd like to call the meeting to order.
Please rise and join me in the pledge of
[0:14] allegiance
to the flag of the United States of
[0:18] America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God,
[0:24] indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.
[0:29] Welcome everyone. Madame clerk, would
you please call the role?
[0:38] » Supervisor Moore,
>> present.
[0:40] » Councilman Neely,
>> present.
[0:42] » Councilman Isili,
>> present.
[0:43] » Councilman Pel,
>> present.
[0:45] » Councilwoman Mcame,
>> present.
[0:47] » Thank you. I move to accept the minutes
from the town board meeting of August
[0:51] 25th, 2026.
>> All in favor?
[0:55] » I. Madam clerk, would you please read
the communications?
[0:58] » The following communications have been
received in the office of the town
[1:02] clerk. We have received public notices
from the town of Riverhead and notice of
[1:06] adoption, village of Northampton, notice
of adoption, village of Zag Harbor,
[1:11] Board of Historic Preservation and
Architectural Review, notice of public
[1:16] hearing for 120 Glover Street.
correspondence regarding the following.
[1:21] Belair Cove Motel Property, Hampton
Bays, Big Al's Clubhouse, Montalk
[1:26] Highway, West Hampton. Comprehensive
plan update. Optimum notice of changes
[1:31] to nonpromotional video and equipment
pricing. Parking lot closure, Main
[1:36] Street, East Quag. Property assessment
processes, proposed CPF acquisition of
[1:42] 130 County Road 39 Southampton. The
following bid and RFP submissions were
[1:48] received. On Wednesday, August 2 uh 6,
the bid for solar PV installation at
[1:55] Flanders Community Center.
And the following was report was filed
[2:00] by the town comproller, a debt statement
dated August 27th, 2026
[2:06] for $18,445,000.
And that concludes our communications
[2:12] for this meeting's agenda.
Thank you. I have two resolutions that
[2:19] are proposed to be walk-ons. The first
is resolution 2026-1344
[2:24] to authorize the acquisition of 1719
North Sea Road in the Hamlet of North
[2:29] Sea and to amend the CPF project plan
and the CPF management and stewardship
[2:33] plan to include the property. And the
second is resolution 2026-1350,
[2:39] the warrant number 17. I move to add
these two items to the agenda.
[2:44] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:45] » I
>> I All right. Thank you.
[2:55] All right. So, uh, at this time, I move
to take resolution number 2026-1327
[3:02] on page 69 out of order.
[3:07] » All in favor? I
[3:12] And this is a resolution to accept the
retirement of Christopher Spec. Uh
[3:18] resolution 2026-1327.
The town board um hereby accepts the
[3:24] retirement. And we have a proclamation
for Mr. Spect. And some people want to
[3:31] speak on his behalf. if he's here with
us.
[3:35] » Tom.
>> Okay.
[3:40] » Tom. Tom, why don't you come up come up
to the podium with Chris?
[3:44] » Yes.
>> We should vote on the resolution to give
[3:46] a second.
>> So, same second.
[3:47] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[3:49] » I
>> come on up.
[3:53] » Look at this special guest star today.
[3:58] » Wow.
>> Thomas Horton, town engineer Olive Hton,
[4:01] Infant.
Uh this is Chris Spect. Uh Chris has
[4:06] worked for the town for 20 years as a
sanitation helper. Chris is out there in
[4:11] the rain, in the snow, in the heat, in
the cold. He's the first face that most
[4:16] of our residents see when they come to
town. They go to the transfer station to
[4:19] drop off their waste, their recyclables,
and and they meet Chris. They ask Chris
[4:24] questions. Chris answers them. He helps
them. He is honestly the first line that
[4:28] that every resident gets to talk to. Um
Chris has primarily been stationed at
[4:33] Hampton Bays lately. Um so we we tried
to give Chris's joint position as close
[4:38] to his home and and Chris has devoted a
significant amount of time to probably
[4:44] the worst job in the town. Uh dealing
with sanitation and refugees all day. It
[4:48] it takes someone special to be able to
do that. Um and to stick it out 20 years
[4:53] and make retirement. And we just
appreciate everything that Chris has
[4:57] done for us
>> and to do it with a smile.
[4:59] » Thank you. Right.
Ross first
[5:02] » and I heard that you were involved with
finding that ring that got lost at the
[5:06] transfer station.
>> We lost the ring of under a trailer and
[5:10] I found that and I've gotten keys out of
on top of the cardboard at Sag Harbor
[5:15] with the pole
>> and got some smiles and an older person,
[5:22] she lost her container. Special thing I
got that out of Sag Harbor. I reached in
[5:26] there and everybody clapped. So, you
found some treasures over the years that
[5:31] people have lost.
>> Yes. And I enjoyed uh working it
[5:35] outside, which is nice, except in the
weather, except the real cold and
[5:40] winter. But
>> well, we'd like to present you with this
[5:44] proclamation on behalf of the town board
and the town. If you want to
[5:49] DO
[6:00] » Thank you.
>> Congratulations. Thanks for all your
[6:04] work.
>> 20 years. That's amazing.
[6:08] » Thanks, Chris.
>> Thank you.
[6:13] » Hold up.
We only give those to special people.
[6:20] » Oh wow. Just turn.
>> Yeah. Let's take a picture.
[6:33] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[6:34] » You're welcome.
>> Congratulations.
[6:36] » You're retired.
>> So Chris's last day is tomorrow.
[6:39] » Yes.
>> That's your official final day and we're
[6:41] going to miss you.
>> Thank you. So you deserve it smoothie,
[6:45] » you know,
>> especially the nice ones
[6:49] » cuz there are some ones that don't like
appreciate us.
[6:52] » I know. I know. But hold out for the
ones that do.
[6:55] » Yes.
>> Thank you.
[6:57] » Thank you.
>> Thank you, Chris.
[7:10] » Gosh.
[7:22] How old is she now?
>> She's so good. Cheeks. Oh my gosh.
[7:29] Squeeze them.
[7:34] » Got to get a helmet.
>> I wonder why.
[7:37] » Thanks for coming in, Tom.
>> Yeah, of course. Thank you.
[7:42] All right. So, thanks everyone. Let's
move ahead with our public hearings.
[7:46] Madame Clerk, would you please read the
notice for the first public hearing?
[7:50] Public hearing number one to consider
the acquisition of enhanced development
[7:54] rights on the property located at 141
Deerfield Road in Watermill and amend
[7:59] the CPF stewardship plan to include
property.
[8:03] » Uh good afternoon, madam supervisor,
town council members. Uh my name is
[8:07] Jacqueline Fenlin, director of community
preservation. Uh we are here before you
[8:11] today as um madame clerk has provided to
um propose the uh purchase of
[8:17] approximately 15.3 acres of property but
this would be for the enhanced
[8:22] development rights. So to remind
everyone we started the development
[8:26] rights program. Uh this is essentially a
more critical tool to maintain
[8:32] sustainable food production. um ensure
that the property is going to a bonafide
[8:38] farmer and also set a resale value. Uh
this uh restricts at least 80% of the
[8:44] property enhanced development rates will
be in actual active cultivation allowing
[8:49] for the other 20% for um infrastructure,
driveways, barns, etc. Uh so this is a
[8:54] program that the town started and
approximately 15.3 acres will be
[8:59] preserved through the enhanced
development rights easements which I'll
[9:02] just point in yellow highlighted on
here.
[9:08] Uh and just to um clarify the area that
I did not kind of outline that will be
[9:14] uh allowed to be residentially developed
into four residential lots. The yield
[9:18] for this subdivision was nine lots. So,
we're theoretically preserving five
[9:22] development rights. Um, so five home,
five additional homes that could have
[9:26] been built on the property. Um, and
North Lot LLC has proposed they are the
[9:31] purported owner. They have expressed an
interest in selling at a total cost not
[9:34] to exceed $6,500,000.
And they are here today. We have the
[9:39] principal of North Lot LLC and his
representing attorney is here if you
[9:44] have any questions as well.
>> They're in the audience.
[9:49] Well, I don't have any questions.
Anybody have any questions for Jackie? I
[9:53] do have one card though, so don't go
away. William Hollyy,
[9:59] » that is the principal of North Lot LLC.
>> Would you like to say
[10:02] » Would you like to say a few words?
>> Come on up. As long as you're here.
[10:10] » Yeah. So, we're excited. So, this will
stay in farm farm preservation. It will
[10:13] stay privately held. Uh but we are
restricting the area noted in the yellow
[10:17] diagonal lines and this is a principal.
>> Hello. Uh my name is Bill Hollyy and um
[10:23] it's my family who I'm one of the
owners. My uh sister two sisters and
[10:29] brother also own this property and we've
we farm at the green thumb farm stands.
[10:33] All this whole property is certified
organic. It's been certified organic for
[10:38] over 30 years since 1990 or so. And uh
we want to keep farming. we have some of
[10:44] the next generation that want to farm.
So, we're trying to uh take some of the
[10:49] value off our property and uh preserve
it for farming as well as uh four house
[10:55] lots here which will be uh for some of
the next generation of farmers. So, we
[10:59] will have housing as well whether we use
it for um the owners or uh workers. Um,
[11:06] we'll see in the future, but um, uh, so
I think it's a good idea and I think,
[11:11] uh, the town should try to save whatever
farmland they can because it's going
[11:14] awful fast.
>> Thank you.
[11:17] » Thank you.
>> Thank you,
[11:19] » Kevin. Are is there anyone on Zoom for
this first public hearing?
[11:25] » No one on Zoom.
>> I just had a quick question for Jackie.
[11:29] Those aren't separate uh pieces, are
they? I I know when you you you just
[11:32] circled. Um so this will be the a
reserve which we're purchasing the
[11:37] enhanced development rates off of. Okay.
>> Um the planning board is reviewing a
[11:41] subdivision uh which will carve out the
four individual residential lots which
[11:45] will be in that portion there.
>> Okay.
[11:48] » Yes. Yep. So not a separate lot yet but
will be.
[11:52] » Okay. Thank you for that clarification.
>> I actually have one person on Zoom
[11:56] » comment.
>> There's one on Zoom right now.
[11:58] » Oh okay. Bring them on.
[12:19] She's here for public portion.
Kevin, I'm pretty sure she's here for
[12:23] public portion.
I spoke because I spoke to her today.
[12:29] » Okay.
[12:35] Hello.
[12:50] » What?
[12:53] What is that?
[12:58] What?
>> It looks like she left. I don't know.
[13:02] Okay.
>> She might have been here for later.
[13:18] » Well, then if there's no other comments,
I move to close the first public
[13:22] hearing.
>> Second.
[13:23] » All in favor?
>> I. Madam clerk, would you please read
[13:26] the notice for the second public
hearing?
[13:29] » Public hearing number two to amend the
community housing fund project plan in
[13:33] order to increase the maximum loan
amount share the firsttime home buyer
[13:38] down payment assistant program and to
establish a pro-rated repayment
[13:43] forgiveness formula for eligible
volunteer first responders.
[13:48] Good afternoon, Madam Supervisor, town
board members, and members of the
[13:52] public. Hope everybody had a nice uh
holiday weekend. I'm very excited to
[13:57] present this to you today. In 2024, the
town board adopted the community housing
[14:02] fund project plan. This included a down
payment assistance program for
[14:07] incomequalified firsttime home buyers,
also known as DPAL.
[14:13] Today, I'm asking the board to consider
three changes to the DPAL program.
[14:18] First, remove the current 3% cap on down
payment assistance and give the board
[14:23] the flexibility to provide assistance
that reflects the realities of
[14:27] Southampton's housing market.
Second, create a loan forgiveness
[14:32] program for qualified volunteer first
responders who receive the DEPAL and
[14:37] continue to serve our community. And
third, commit an additional 4 million
[14:42] from the community housing fund to the
new DEPAL program.
[14:47] These three changes are about one
fundamental issue.
[14:51] Housing in Southampton has just become
too expensive for many of the people who
[14:56] work here and who serve our community.
Suffach County has called affordable
[15:02] housing a crisis.
In Southampton, where the medium home
[15:07] sales price is approximately $2 million,
I think it's fair to call it an acute
[15:11] crisis.
We all know that people who work in our
[15:14] hospitals, schools, public service, and
local businesses are struggling to
[15:19] afford to live here, and so are the
volunteer first responders we depend on
[15:23] to protect our community.
We see the consequences every day in the
[15:28] long commutes created by the traffic.
So, the question isn't whether we need
[15:34] affordable housing. The question is,
what can we do right now to make home
[15:39] ownership more attainable?
I believe that the down payment
[15:44] assistance loan program is one tool we
have available to address that
[15:48] challenge.
But we have to make that tool effective
[15:53] under the current program. Since the
community housing fund began collecting
[15:57] revenue in April of 2023,
approximately $55 million has been
[16:03] generated.
Approximately 28 million remains
[16:06] uncommitted to a specific housing
project or program.
[16:12] In 2024, the town board allocated $1.25
million to the down payment assistance
[16:19] program to help firsttime home buyers
purchase a home in Southampton.
[16:24] The current program can give an eligible
buyer a 0% interest loan of up to 3% of
[16:31] the home price that is only paid back
when the home is sold or refinanced.
[16:38] We've marketed the program. We've
educated potential buyers. We've worked
[16:43] with our program administrator,
Community Development of Long Island.
[16:46] And Gwen O'Shea, the um director, is
here today.
[16:51] And yet, in two years, only three
households have received assistance.
[16:58] So, I think that tells us something. The
problem is not simply that people don't
[17:02] know about the program. The problem is
is that 3% just simply isn't enough.
[17:10] That is why I'm proposing to increase
the DPALL assistance to 18%.
[17:15] This isn't just about giving someone a
bigger down payment. It's about changing
[17:19] the math.
More DPAL assistance means a smaller
[17:23] mortgage. A smaller mortgage means a
lower monthly payment. And in many
[17:28] cases, it can eliminate private mortgage
insurance as well. that can
[17:33] significantly reduce the income a
household needs to purchase a home.
[17:38] Let's take a look at two examples that
show how 18% DPAL can make a difference.
[17:45] And I'm going to pass out to the board a
copy of the graph that is here on the
[17:50] board for the public.
[18:26] So, let's look at two examples here. We
have an example of a home that's priced
[18:31] at $750,000.
And then we have a home that's priced at
[18:35] $950,000.
Okay.
[18:39] With 3% depal from CHF,
the $750,000
[18:46] home will have a monthly payment of
approximately $5,900.
[18:51] That includes taxes and homeowners
insurance.
[18:55] Someone who wants to buy that home with
the 3% CHF DPAL will need to have an
[19:02] annual income of $236,000 almost
$237,000
[19:07] annually.
Now, if we look at the example with 18%
[19:12] CHFD PAL,
that same $750,000
[19:17] home will cost somebody $4,700 a month.
And that includes again homeowners
[19:25] insurance and taxes.
And they will need an annual income of
[19:30] $188,000.
[19:33] That's a difference of $1,200 monthly in
a monthly payment and $48,000 annually
[19:42] in salary. All right.
>> Is it limited though? Isn't it in the
[19:46] program income limited? So the program
income is limited to under the uh town
[19:53] law uh 64k.
Uh for one to two people it's 197,000
[20:00] and for three or more it's 230,000.
So
[20:06] somebody one to two people could afford
a $750,000
[20:10] home with the 18% depal
under the program. That's why nobody
[20:16] came for the 3% because they couldn't
afford it. No, they didn't qualify for
[20:20] the program if you had to make $236,000.
>> Correct. Yeah. Right. So now let's look
[20:26] at the example of a $950,000 home under
the current 3% down payment.
[20:34] Somebody would need to pay 7264
monthly. That includes your principal
[20:41] and interest, homeowners insurance, and
taxes. And in order to sustain that,
[20:47] they're going to need an income of
$290,000 annually.
[20:52] But if we increase the DPL to 18%,
now the monthly payment for that same
[20:59] $950,000 home is $5700 monthly.
And somebody earning $229,000,
[21:07] a household earning $229 would qualify
for that $950,000 home.
[21:15] So, this equates to a savings of $1,500
a month in the monthly payment and
[21:22] $61,000 a year annually in income.
So, those are real real numbers there.
[21:37] And so this is why
I'm recommending that the increasing the
[21:42] down payment assistance is so important.
It really can make a difference between
[21:47] somebody qualifying and somebody not
qualifying to buy a home. But there's
[21:52] another significant advantage to DPAL.
We don't have to build new housing to
[21:58] create affordable home ownership.
DPAL allows us to use the existing
[22:03] housing inventory throughout the town
rather than concentrate it in one
[22:07] development. No new no land acquisition,
no new development approvals, no new
[22:13] construction, no increase in density.
The program makes an existing home
[22:18] affordable.
And I've included here also I could pass
[22:24] these out to the board some photos of
some of the homes that have sold in 2026
[22:30] in these price ranges between 750 and
950 and they include both sides of the
[22:36] canal. You can see we even have one in
Southampton Village here.
[22:41] » Can I just Kevin, can you just Oh, good.
Everyone, thank you.
[22:52] We have two in East Quag, threebedroom,
four bedroomedroom,
[22:56] one in North Sea on North Sea Road in
Southampton, Southampton Village and two
[23:02] in Hampton Bay.
[23:14] The second proposal I have for you today
addresses another challenge facing
[23:17] Southampton,
recruiting and retaining volunteer first
[23:21] responders.
Our fire departments, ambulance
[23:25] companies, and other emergency services
depend on people who live here and who
[23:29] are willing to serve, but is becoming
increasingly difficult for those
[23:34] volunteers to afford to buy a home and
remain in the community.
[23:39] So, I'm proposing a first responder loan
forgiveness program.
[23:44] An important point of this program is
that first responders would not
[23:47] automatically receive the DPALL
assistance. They would first have to
[23:51] qualify for DPALL just like anyone else
under the same eligibility requirements.
[23:58] Then after receiving the DEPAL, a
qualified volunteer first responder
[24:02] could earn forgiveness through continued
service.
[24:07] For each year of qualifying service, 10%
of the original DPAL assistance would be
[24:12] forgiven.
After 10 years, the entire amount of the
[24:16] DPAL loan could be forgiven.
Past service doesn't count, so
[24:20] forgiveness would have to be earned.
If someone stops qualifying before
[24:25] completing 10 years, the remaining loan
balance would continue to be repaid back
[24:29] to this community housing fund.
So, this program, this program creates a
[24:34] direct connection between two town
priorities, helping people afford to
[24:39] live here and helping to ensure that
people who protect us can continue to
[24:43] serve here. The forgiveness program
gives that person an incentive to stay
[24:48] and serve.
And finally, if we agree that 18%
[24:53] assistance can make a meaningful
difference, then we need to fund the
[24:56] program at a level that can actually
make an impact. That's why I'm asking
[25:01] the board to commit an additional $4
million from the community housing fund
[25:05] to the DPALL program.
We have an opportunity to take an
[25:10] existing program that has not yet had
the impact we've hoped for and make it
[25:15] work. So, in summary, I'm asking the
board to consider three things today.
[25:20] One, give the board the flexibility to
increase DEPAL assistance from 3% to
[25:25] 18%.
Create an earned down payment assistance
[25:29] loan forgiveness program for qualifying
volunteer first responders. And three,
[25:34] committed an additional $4 million to
the DPAL program. I think it is
[25:38] important for the board to know that
this is a practical tool that we can use
[25:42] right now.
It uses our existing housing stock. It
[25:46] helps first-time buyers overcome the
biggest barrier to home ownership, the
[25:50] cost.
And it gives us another way to keep the
[25:53] people who work and serve here from
having to live somewhere else.
[25:58] If we want Southampton to remain a
community where working families, young
[26:02] people, and the people we rely on to
protect and serve us can actually afford
[26:06] to live here, we need to make our
housing programs meaningful enough to
[26:10] make a difference.
I believe these changes to the down
[26:13] payment assistance program loan loan
program are a step in that direction. I
[26:18] thank you for your consideration. We
have um Joyce Yansy, our chair from the
[26:23] CHF advisory board who would like to say
a few words.
[26:26] » I want to just thank you for coming up
with these ideas and presenting them to
[26:31] us. Certainly is appreciated. Um and I
especially like what you said about that
[26:36] it's uh using existing housing stock.
Um, I do have some questions, but we can
[26:43] wait for Joy to present also.
>> Okay, sure.
[26:50] » Good afternoon. My name is Joyce Ciance.
I'm here today on behalf of the
[26:55] community advis housing fund advisory
board as well as myself. As Caribbec has
[27:00] shared, despite significant outreach and
marketing efforts, the CHF down payment
[27:05] assistance program adopted in the pro
project plan has not effectively
[27:10] addressed the unique housing challenges
of our community with only three
[27:13] families to date benefiting from it. The
3% benefit is simply not enough
[27:19] financial assistance to make this dream
of home ownership a reality in our
[27:23] community given the high cost of
housing, the limited supply of homes
[27:27] priced within reach of firsttime home
buyers.
[27:31] The community housing fund advisory
board voted unanimously to recommend
[27:35] that the town board adopt an amendment
to the CHF housing plan to remove the 3%
[27:41] cap on first-time home buyer assistance
to authorize up to 18% first-time home
[27:47] buyer assistance from CHF funds to
commit the additional $4 million from
[27:52] the fund
>> to fund this amended program and to
[27:56] create the loan forgiveness feature for
eligible volunteer first responders. As
[28:01] Cara has described,
as you're aware, uh the CHF project plan
[28:06] guides our advisory board to, among
other things, provide financial
[28:11] assistance to alleviate the housing cost
burden and to provide housing options
[28:17] for seniors, disabled persons, and
members of the workforce.
[28:22] We believe the proposals put forth today
by Miss Bach very well demonstrated by
[28:27] the comparative examples achieve these
mandates.
[28:31] I appreciate the opportunity to present
the advisory board's recommendation for
[28:35] your consideration.
Um, in addition, I am here to represent
[28:40] not just the advisory board, but I also
wanted to share my personal insights,
[28:44] having spent 26 years as a senior
executive at Fanny May, dedicated to
[28:49] affordable housing, focused not only on
helping people realize the dream of home
[28:54] ownership, but also on helping them to
maintain that affordable home ownership
[28:58] successfully over time. It is very well
established that one of the greatest
[29:03] obstacles to home ownership for
first-time home home buyers is the
[29:07] ability to save enough money for the
down payment and closing costs. And now
[29:11] more than ever, first-time home buyers
face severe severe affordable issue
[29:16] affordability issues driven by high home
prices, elevated mortgage rates, low
[29:22] supply of house, affordable housing,
as well rising rental rates, and student
[29:28] loan repayments exacerbate the
challenges they face to save for their
[29:33] down payment. In fact, in 2025, the
National Association of Realtors noted
[29:38] that the average age of a first-time
home buyer has reached 40 years old,
[29:43] which is an all-time high since they
started tracking that data in 1981.
[29:49] While the national statistics are
daunting, they can be even more
[29:53] challenging in our township given the
affordability of our housing, where the
[29:57] median home price has reached $2
million. We need to find a way to give
[30:02] first-time home buyers, including those
who volunteer as our crucial first
[30:06] responders, a fighting chance in our
market. I believe what Miss Bach has
[30:11] proposed and demonstrated in the example
she walked us through give us a better
[30:15] chance to do just that. So, thank you
for the opportunity to present the
[30:19] advisory board's recommendation and to
share my personal thoughts for your
[30:23] consideration of the proposals.
>> Thank you, Joy.
[30:29] And uh Claire Sheay is here.
>> Gwen, I'm sorry. Gwen.
[30:34] » Oay.
>> Ohea. I'm sorry.
[30:37] » Oh, not at all. Thank you so much. Um,
thank you, madam supervisor and council
[30:40] members for uh and the public for giving
me an opportunity to share some thoughts
[30:44] today. As Cara mentioned, I'm Gwen
O'Shea, president and CEO of Community
[30:47] Development Long Island. I want to echo
um supervisor your comments working with
[30:51] Carara. She's so innovative and
thoughtful and really so committed to
[30:56] fulfilling the mission of the CDA and we
are privileged to work with her and her
[30:59] team and obviously with all of you. Um
the comments that you heard I think
[31:03] really cover it, but I do just want to
um underscore a couple of the points in
[31:07] particular that Cara shared. So at our
organization um we're a nonprofit that's
[31:11] been serving Long Island for um decades
now. And one of the areas that we really
[31:16] focus on is home ownership and
sustainable home ownership. And I think
[31:20] um there are three key pieces that Cara
mentioned that I wanted to underscore as
[31:24] it relates to creating and sustaining
home ownership opportunities here in the
[31:28] town of Southampton. Um the cost of
living in our region is higher than it
[31:32] has ever been. And we know for so many
individuals hearing the average age now
[31:36] at 40, so many of those individuals are
coming in with good incomes, great jobs,
[31:42] but because of high cost of education,
paying rent in a rental market that is
[31:47] really does not have a lot of
availability, people do not have the
[31:51] money and they will not have the money
anytime soon based on the cost of living
[31:54] in our in our area. So having a much
more robust robust down payment
[31:59] assistant allowance like an 18% is
really going to open the doors for so
[32:04] many residents to be able to close on
home ownership.
[32:07] » The other two pieces that it's really
important to underscore here is that as
[32:11] we know how expensive it is to live in
our region to sustain affordable home
[32:16] ownership for the long term people have
to be paying an amount in mortgage that
[32:20] is sustainable to allow for that
success. So to really drive down that
[32:23] overall, as you've seen here, and these
are two great examples, really driving
[32:27] down that overall monthly mortgage
payment is key to allow individuals to
[32:32] stay in their home for the long term and
see the building of equity for
[32:36] themselves and their family. And the
other piece, I think the third piece
[32:39] that's really, really important that
Cara touched on is this opens up
[32:42] opportunity throughout the town. By not
having it be one development only that's
[32:48] affordable. Having it be able to be cut
across and bought purchased throughout
[32:52] the town is really going to open more
opportunities for individuals to become
[32:56] home buyers and really a allow for those
funds to be accessed by individuals who
[33:01] are looking to complete home ownership.
So, we stand ready to see an increase if
[33:05] the town should decide to increase the
down payment assistance up to 18% to
[33:10] work with families. Me, many of the
families that have come to us interested
[33:13] in utilizing the program do not have the
down payment assistance that they need.
[33:16] And so, being able to direct them to
this new enhanced program, we believe
[33:20] will allow for more home ownership to be
created within the town of Southampton.
[33:24] So, thank you very much for the
opportunity. Um, go ahead,
[33:27] » Miss M O'Shea. Um, first and foremost, I
just want to thank you so much for your
[33:31] efforts and the organization's efforts
in being an intermediary with the town
[33:36] of Southampton and specifically our CHF
department, which um, we meet monthly.
[33:42] Um, and it was discussed at these
monthly meetings with Councilman Neely
[33:46] as well that that we're not seeing the
type of engagement on the 3% uh, down
[33:50] payment program. Um, can you talk a
little bit about how you as CDLI would
[33:55] be that intermediary to work with the
town and in in doing so, can you talk a
[34:00] little bit about how you also help other
local municipalities in that regard?
[34:04] » Sure. Sure. And thank you so much for
those comments and um we appreciate all
[34:07] the time that that you all put in on
thinking this through. So, as a
[34:10] nonprofit organization, it's our job to
ensure that we are being objective and
[34:16] providing comprehensive information to
individuals to make the best decision
[34:20] for themselves and their family based on
their financial situation. So, what
[34:23] we'll be doing, what we have done and
will continue to do is doing a lot of
[34:27] robust marketing and outreach around
should the town uh board decide to
[34:32] increase the down payment assistance,
we'll be doing a lot of robust
[34:34] marketing. We'll be having on-site
events here within the town. We'll be
[34:38] offering virtual classes. It's really
important that individuals understand
[34:41] the full picture about what becoming a
home buyer is. And so in working with
[34:45] us, again, we're not looking to direct
anyone to any any mortgage lender or
[34:49] purchase any specific property. We want
individuals to be empowered and educated
[34:53] on what successful home ownership looks
like. So, we have um a home ownership
[34:57] orientation. We have one-on-one
counseling. Some of the individuals that
[35:00] have come through us already aren't yet
ready for home ownership to be quite
[35:04] honest, right? individuals think about
it but don't really understand the
[35:06] importance of credit or building their
credit or maybe there's been an issue
[35:10] that has caused some blemishes on their
credit history and so our team can work
[35:14] with an individual to really get to a
position where they're able to access
[35:17] the best rate possible they can go to a
variety of lenders to access that that
[35:22] they're informed on all the different
lending opportunities that are out there
[35:26] that they're in the best financial
position to say okay you know we're
[35:29] looking at your debt to income we want
to make sure you're not out over your
[35:32] skis right you want to have some a a
little bit of a cushion, if you will, as
[35:36] you're paying your monthly mortgage
payments. And so, helping individuals
[35:39] understand what that looks like. And
then, as we go through that process with
[35:42] them, should they be ready the day that
they come in, what we do is we work
[35:46] closely with the office to say, "Okay,
here's a homeowner. Here's their
[35:49] financial situation. Here's what they
qualify for. They're going out and
[35:52] they're looking, you know, for a
property that really works for them in
[35:55] their financial situation." And then
once that individual is able to find
[35:58] that property, then the town uh Cara
represents the town and will be present
[36:03] at the closing to provide the down
payment assistance to ensure that that
[36:06] transaction can happen. Does that answer
your question?
[36:08] » Absolutely. It's great to have you be in
partnership with the actual applicant
[36:13] because a lot of people want to know
like what what is the next step and
[36:17] that's a very important feature and I
know uh CDLI has been very successful
[36:21] with this uh with the ADU program in
particular. Casey from your team has
[36:24] been really excellent and and a lot of
our constituents appreciate what you do
[36:28] with with Cara. Can I just ask and this
might be for you and or car uh cara but
[36:33] let me just let me ask the the
difference between the 3% and what we're
[36:37] proposing the 18% there there is a
particular I if forgive me if I'm
[36:42] incorrect there is a change in the loan
structure in it being higher correct in
[36:48] in in how that is paid off for the
applicant or no
[36:51] » Kevin Kevin can you put the um the uh
chart up yeah thank you
[36:57] » is there is there a difference in the in
in the loan structure itself uh in terms
[37:01] of how uh a applicant will be paying it
off. For instance, if they are if they
[37:06] are approved of that 18% do they have to
start paying that off right away or is
[37:10] there some time that they have uh before
they have to start paying that loan?
[37:16] » So, uh our down payment assistance loan
is a 0% interest loan that's not paid
[37:22] back until the homeowner sells or does a
cash out refinance. So whether it's 3%
[37:27] or 18% is going to work the same way.
All right? And that's and and that's
[37:32] important because that's what makes the
home affordable is the fact that that
[37:37] lean will stay on the property. If it's
18% it will stay on the property and
[37:41] that homeowner won't have to make any
payments on it and they just pay back
[37:45] that original amount that they borrowed
when they sell the home whenever that
[37:50] may be and it gets paid back to CHF. the
CH
[37:53] » and the sale price is there any limit on
uh you know is it going to stay
[37:57] affordable or
>> no? So that's the thing is that the way
[38:01] this program works is that homeowner
they pick their own home that they want
[38:05] they the home of their choosing that
they obviously can qualify for um and
[38:11] they earn all the equity on it. So they
when they sell the home they earn all
[38:16] that equity and they just pay back what
they borrowed um to the CHF fund. Um, I
[38:22] just wanted to note, um, so the our in
our partnership with CDLI,
[38:28] CDLI runs the, um, first-time home
buyer, um, counseling program for us.
[38:35] And it's an eight-hour program that
somebody can they have to go through it
[38:39] before they actually are qualified for
the down payment assistance program. We
[38:44] have a uh, a program coming up in
October that will be in person. They can
[38:49] certainly take it virtually if they want
to, but we have an in-person program
[38:53] that will be we're going to promote this
as we get closer to the date, but it
[38:57] will be occurring on October 24th in the
Hampton Bay Community Center. And CDLI
[39:04] has been just wonderful with us in in
working and getting together local
[39:09] people who can speak about the process.
you know, they speak about, you know,
[39:14] uh, how the mortgage process goes, how a
home inspection goes, getting homeowners
[39:19] insurance, all of the things that people
need to know when they're going to buy
[39:22] their first home. So, I just wanted to
mention that and uh,
[39:27] I wanted to make a a couple of points
and one was I probably wouldn't be a
[39:32] homeowner if it wasn't for Opaton down
payment assistance. So, I'm a big
[39:37] proponent of this. Um, and I we had a
work session on this. I just want to
[39:41] thank you for really explaining it to
the board and and getting everybody on
[39:44] the same page and understanding of
everything that's going on. But one of
[39:47] the things that you'd mentioned that I
just wanted to make a point of was
[39:50] actually two things. One is, you know, I
I don't see this exploding and us
[39:55] running out of money because let's face
it, you know, finding homes under a
[39:58] million dollars in the town of
Southampton is going to be challenging
[40:01] enough. Finding those homes are
generally going to be west of the canal.
[40:05] All of all of the homes that CHF is
currently financing for home ownership
[40:12] are east of the canal. Correct.
Currently.
[40:14] » So, all of the ones that we're all of
the projects that we're working on to
[40:19] construct and develop um the majority
are east of the canal. Not all of them,
[40:25] but the majority. So, and we're trying
to focus on that. Yeah. So, so I mean,
[40:28] so we can kind of almost help fill that
gap whereby, you know, you may be able
[40:32] to find something under a million west
of the canal, but then east and and not
[40:36] add to the density and then east of the
canal where we can add some units. We
[40:40] are trying to do that. And then the
other point that you had mentioned and
[40:44] touched on, it's something that I think
is important to mention is with this
[40:48] with the um uh repayment forgiveness for
um for uh first responders, I'm sorry.
[40:58] Um when you mentioned the cash out
refinance, right? So you can get into a
[41:03] home potentially you can live in it for
10 years. you can volunteer your time
[41:07] and you can have that repayment loan
paid off and then you can do a cash out
[41:12] finance to make improvements to that
home and not have to worry about paying
[41:15] that loan back.
>> Right. Right.
[41:17] » Certainly, you know, if somebody wants
to put in a swimming pool or something
[41:21] like that and they're cashing out their
equity, you know, we want them the town
[41:25] or CHF should get paid if that's the
case. So, you know, that's the reason
[41:30] for that. Uh, you know, only if it's a
cash out if they're refinancing
[41:34] » that again. item.
>> Okay. So, if they're re there's two t
[41:37] two times people usually refinance. One
would be to change the interest rate. If
[41:43] the interest rate, you know, is lower
and they're just doing uh a refinance to
[41:48] change the interest rate and they're not
taking any equity out, right? we we have
[41:53] to come in and you all would have to
approve a subordination of our lean
[41:57] because our lean CHF's lean would be in
second position be behind you know the
[42:03] first mortgage uh that they used to buy
the house um if they're cashing out if
[42:09] they're doing a a refinance to cash out
to get some funds to maybe put in a
[42:14] swimming pool or something like that
some kind of home improvement
[42:18] then we would ask that they pay off that
CHF lean first before they go and do
[42:24] something like that.
>> But in the example Cindy just gave, it
[42:28] was that the 10 years had gone by and
that
[42:32] » right
>> their loan is forgiven.
[42:33] » If they were a volunteer
and they and they qualified under the
[42:37] volunteer, the volunteer first responder
program and then their loan, their CHF
[42:43] loan was forgiven,
then they our our loan is forgiven. we
[42:48] would issue a satisfaction of that loan
and then they could go and cash out.
[42:52] » So, perfect example, you want to send
your kids to college and you need to use
[42:55] some of the equity in your house to take
out a loan, you can do that now without
[42:59] having to use that money to pre to pay
back this this loan because you've done
[43:04] it in kind with service.
>> Exactly. Right.
[43:06] » But if it's before the 10 years is
expired or someone who's not a a first
[43:10] responder, then they would need to uh
it's in the agreement that they would
[43:15] have to pay back the loan.
>> Yes. right before they could cash out,
[43:19] » they would have to come to the town to
ask the town to subordinate the lean and
[43:25] the town's policy is and has been um
that we would not subordinate if it's a
[43:32] cash out refinance.
>> You said for the volunteers,
[43:36] » Joy, can you
>> I just want to clarify for the
[43:39] volunteers, it's you're earning 10%
every year. So if the cash out refi is
[43:44] at the fifth year, right, that 50% of
it's not repaid just to be clear.
[43:49] » Exactly right. Yeah, Joyy's right. So So
it's the balance of whatever. So So what
[43:53] whatever term that they have qualified
under the LOAP program. So say that's
[43:59] three years, 5 years, seven years,
whatever that may be. If they stop
[44:04] volunteering, they pay back whatever the
balance of the loan is.
[44:09] » Okay.
>> Okay. And also they have to make the
[44:11] point that when they volunte
>> correct. Yep.
[44:16] » I would just say
>> that.
[44:18] » And I would just say that the I that
alone is such an incentive to our uh you
[44:23] know first responder agencies to not
only retain folks but also recruit. I
[44:29] mean I think that one of the biggest
issues that that many of them are are
[44:33] facing is actually being able to have um
folks that they could rely on. uh
[44:39] throughout the remainder of the the year
and forthcoming years. I mean, I think
[44:43] that's a it's there's a lot of our
agencies that are are are very worried
[44:48] about the future. So, and I think we
have um
[44:50] » Exactly. And that's why I kind of
thought long and hard about this
[44:54] program, right? Because we can't do a
preference. We can't, you know, uh a
[44:59] preference would violate federal fair
housing laws or could violate federal
[45:03] fair housing laws, I should say. And so,
but how do we how do we incentivize so
[45:09] that we have, you know, we get these
first responders that, you know, that
[45:14] that have the ability to do the work.
How do we keep them? And, you know, you
[45:19] you look at the chart and it's a
significant amount of funding each year.
[45:23] So, like just for example, if you look
at that 750,000 purchase price, the CHF
[45:29] assistance under at 18% is $135,000.
Now, if we're offering to somebody who's
[45:35] a first responder 10% off each year,
that's $13,500
[45:40] each year that they uh volunteer and
help the community and earn that LOSAP
[45:45] credit. That's a significant amount. And
I think, you know, that is an amount
[45:50] that should incentivize, you know, our
first responders.
[45:53] » As we went through this, I think, as you
said, we didn't look at it as a
[45:58] preference, but we looked at it. It's an
opportunity,
[46:01] » right? That's what it is.
>> It is. And it's because that first
[46:05] responder doesn't get the right to get
DPALL. You know, they have to apply for
[46:12] DPALL like anyone else,
>> right? And whether they're a first
[46:15] responder now currently or they become a
first responder later on, you know, it
[46:21] it doesn't matter. Um it's just the only
thing that uh is that if they are
[46:26] currently a first responder, they don't
get credit for the years that they
[46:30] served prior to receipt of the DEPAL.
>> And to Bill's point, what's uh the
[46:34] qualifications that do we get a report
from the agency?
[46:39] » Yes. So they have to earn those points
under the LOAP program. So we would have
[46:43] to have proof of that like any um you
know any other agency. You know,
[46:48] » our controller handles the LOAP program.
So it's all in our it's all in our
[46:53] records anyway.
>> Yeah. And how how are you defining first
[46:56] responders?
>> So anybody who qualifies for LOSAP
[47:00] credit would be considered a first
respond
[47:03] » by ambulance.
>> Yep.
[47:07] » Thank you, Cara.
>> Oh, Carara,
[47:10] » sorry. which is which is another reason
why as I was having this conversation
[47:14] with Jimmy Mack and Rescue needs to be
an accredited agency that qualifies for
[47:18] LOSAP in order to get a lot of these
things otherwise they don't qualify for
[47:22] any of it. So
>> So in I noticed in in the um the
[47:27] amendment to the community housing fund
project plan you've taken out the 3% but
[47:32] you didn't replace it with 18%. You
you've made it now so that it's up to
[47:36] the board to pass a resolution to change
that percentage. Yes. So I initially we
[47:43] started off with that 3% and it was
written in the project plan as that 3%.
[47:48] Now it we won't have to go through the
whole you know public hearing and wait
[47:53] the 30 days and and so on you know for
that. It will be up to the board as we
[47:58] see you know fluctuations in the
Southampton housing market to change
[48:02] that down payment assistance by
resolution.
[48:05] » And what about the $4 million
allocation? Is that annual or is that to
[48:09] be determined each year by the board
also?
[48:11] » So what I would recommend is we if we
add that 4 million to this program. We
[48:16] have about a million left from that 1.25
that the board initially, you know,
[48:22] allocated. Yeah. So we're going to have
about $5 million.
[48:26] » All right.
>> I would like to see how that goes. My
[48:29] hope is that by the end of the year it's
gone and and then I come to you in
[48:33] January and say, you know, we've had all
of these I think, you know, we figure
[48:38] it's about 30 to 40 people maybe we can
assist with $5 million depending, you
[48:44] know, on the the home uh the price of
the home. But, you know, hopefully I'll
[48:49] come back to you in January and say to
you all agreedocate six months,
[48:53] » right? Can you allocate some more money?
>> Right. come back in six months and we
[48:57] see how we're doing,
>> right? But, you know, until that runs
[49:01] out, you know, I won't be asking you
for, you know, any more money.
[49:05] » So, the resolution says up to 18%. So,
how is that determined? And who
[49:09] determines?
>> So, I I'm asking you to um to set it at
[49:15] 18% at this point in time.
>> It doesn't say up to in the resolution.
[49:18] Yeah, I'm going to when when I prepare
the authorizing resolution, if if
[49:23] that's, you know, way we're going to go,
I would put 18%. And the reason why it's
[49:28] 18% is currently we ask the buyer to
come in with 2% of their own funds. So
[49:34] now that's 20%. When you have 20% equity
in a home, the banks usually don't
[49:41] require private mortgage insurance. And
if you look at the chart here,
[49:46] you can see private mortgage insurance
under a $750,000 home is almost $500 a
[49:52] month. And under a $950,000 home, it's
$630 a month.
[49:58] » But the resolution says up to So are you
going to change that before we adopt it?
[50:02] » So So I don't have a authorizing
resolution for you here today, but when
[50:07] I prepare the
>> at the public hearing.
[50:09] » Yeah. When I prepare the authorizing
resolution, I would like you to um you
[50:14] know to authorize 18%. Okay.
>> Cara, the only question I have is have
[50:17] we run this by any bank institutions?
Because my question is when you're going
[50:22] and you're not going to have the private
mortgage insurance, technically you have
[50:26] two loans on the property even though
one is silent, it's still a loan for
[50:30] 18%. Will they qualify? Because if you
don't have that equity, it's not yours.
[50:34] » Yeah. So banks usually when they when
they uh take down payment assistance
[50:40] whether it's New York State down payment
assistance, county down payment
[50:43] assistance or even our down payment
assistance, they consider that equity
[50:48] and so they the bank is only lending the
80% loan to value and so they would not
[50:54] require the the private mortgage
insurance.
[50:58] And we also, I think, talked about if
you're fortunate enough to get a gift
[51:02] from your parents or relatives, that
doesn't hurt their application in terms
[51:08] of of getting,
>> right? If a if a family member uh or you
[51:12] know, their parents are coming in and
gifting that 2%, usually the banks will
[51:17] want a gift letter that says that it's
not being required to be paid back. it
[51:22] is a gift from the family member, you
know, um and and and that that can
[51:28] happen because that is then essentially
their money, their 2%. Okay.
[51:34] » Uh the um as much as we might want to
have it available only to town
[51:40] residents, that's not an option.
Correct.
[51:43] » No. Um the the program, the way the
program is structured is they have to be
[51:48] buying a home in the town of
Southampton. So when they buy their home
[51:53] in town of Southampton, they are a town
of Southampton resident and it does have
[51:57] to be their primary residence. So
>> it's part of the application process
[52:00] requires them to be a resident.
>> I mean, and that's to that end, we do
[52:03] have a lot of town residents who are
lifelong town residents who are no
[52:06] longer town residents because they would
like to be, but they can't afford to
[52:09] live here. So,
>> Correct. Right.
[52:11] » Most people are going to be wanting to
get back to family and jobs
[52:14] » all the time. I hear that. Yep. and
we'll have a lot of young volunteer
[52:18] first responders who are seeking to live
here apply for this program and live
[52:21] here.
>> That's our hope.
[52:24] » Yeah.
>> So, I'm just last thing that concerns me
[52:26] a little is that not we don't have a cap
on the amount and you could have
[52:31] somebody buying a $2 million home
because they saved up some money or
[52:37] they've gotten gifts from their parents.
And I don't know, it just seems like I
[52:42] know you're saying they couldn't afford
it if they didn't have the income, but
[52:45] wouldn't it be cleaner if we did put
some kind of a cap on
[52:49] » home price is capped, right?
>> So, yeah. So, under the under um town
[52:53] law 64K
it uh it both the income of the
[53:00] applicants and the home purchase price
is capped under 64K. It's capped very
[53:07] high. It's one and a half times the Sony
May first-time home buyer limit, which
[53:12] is right now $1.9 million. However,
under the income caps, they they could
[53:19] never sustain a $1.9 million house.
Also, when we uh when CDLI is doing the
[53:27] income check and all of the uh checks
that they do to tell us who's
[53:32] qualificate who's qualified to purchase
the home, there is a limitation on their
[53:36] assets and I believe it's 25%. Gwen,
>> there is and can I just add to that
[53:41] important piece is that also as Cara was
explaining which I failed to. So, thank
[53:45] you in terms of sort of the home
ownership orientation and the counseling
[53:49] that we do. One of the key pieces is
really taking a look at the debt to
[53:52] income, right? And as I was mentioning,
our team as HUD certified counselors um
[53:56] that have, you know, full objectivity,
we need to make sure that the income can
[54:00] sustain the mortgage. So, we would never
even be referring anyone to CARA for
[54:05] consideration if their debt to income
wasn't in a place that it was
[54:08] sustainable and they were able to cover
that mortgage cost going forward, which
[54:12] means they would more than likely based
on the income caps never get to the 1.9
[54:16] that um the current sale price is capped
at. Now,
[54:19] » I just thought just for the sake of
transparency and so people know not to
[54:24] bother even to apply, you know,
shouldn't we put some numbers in here
[54:28] » in you're talking about in the project
plan?
[54:31] » Yeah. Or Yeah.
>> In the materials that we
[54:33] » in the
>> So, so it's already in town law 64K, the
[54:38] income level and the purchase price.
>> The purchase price of 1.9 million, you
[54:43] said.
>> So, so it doesn't say 1.9 million. says
[54:46] one and a half times the Sony may limit
for first-time home buyers because that
[54:51] changes every year, right? Same thing
with the income levels. It's one, you
[54:55] know, it's the income max for one to two
people and three or more, a household of
[55:01] three or more. So, and those do change
annually. They Sony may comes out. What
[55:07] you may want, and I can certainly do
this, um, Maria, is add into um the u
[55:15] the project plan the 25%
uh equity cap, you know. So, in other
[55:22] words, a a family member can't give
somebody, you know, 50% of the value of
[55:27] the home and then they come and they're
asking for down payment assistance. And
[55:32] the reason why we have that cap is
because we want to make sure that it
[55:36] goes to the people who actually really
need it.
[55:38] » Yeah. Where that is already in there,
the 25%.
[55:40] » No, I can put that in there. It's it's
something that we've been working with
[55:44] CDLI. CDLI is doing all the
qualification for us and that is the cap
[55:48] that they have for us. Um, but if you
would like to see it in the project
[55:52] plan, I could certainly put that. What
one thing I would like is when you put
[55:55] out the actual pamphlets or information
about the program and that you put in
[56:00] the income and house price limitations
so that people aren't
[56:05] » entertaining a pipe dream because it's
just not feasible. So, but yeah, but I
[56:09] mean I I understand not putting it in
the resolution because it changes, but
[56:12] putting it on any kind of material that
we put out would be
[56:16] » Yeah. Well, like we're promoting now
this this um in-person uh home buyer
[56:21] education course on October 24th in in
Hampton Bay uh center and that will be
[56:26] at 9:00 a.m. Um anybody who's interested
in that can call my office for more
[56:30] information, but we will be promoting
that shortly. But on all of that
[56:33] material, we do put the current maximum
income amounts and we put the current
[56:39] maximum um home price.
>> Great.
[56:43] » Okay.
>> Thank you. You're welcome.
[56:46] » All right. So, Jimmy Mack is here,
Southampton Volunteer Ambulance and
[56:52] president of our trustees.
>> Thank you. You all know me as president
[56:55] of the Southampton Town Trustees, my
esteemed colleagues. But I am here
[57:00] actually as an EMT, a volunteer EMT, and
as an officer with the Southampton
[57:04] Volunteer Ambulance and in support of
this incredible bill because um I want
[57:09] to put a face on the crisis that you
guys are looking at. Uh, and I'm going
[57:13] to become the crisis if if we keep
going. What I've seen in my 21 years at
[57:18] Southampton Volunteer Ambulance is we
train young people to become chiefs, to
[57:23] become drivers, to become EMTs, and and
they do great. They win awards. They're
[57:28] loving it. And then they look outside of
their parents' basement windows and say,
[57:32] "I'm going to go buy a house of my own."
And then the next thing we we get is
[57:36] their resignation. They're moving south
and they're gone. And as you all
[57:40] witnessed when you came to our awards
ceremony for Southampton Voluntary
[57:44] Ambulance, all of our top responders are
senior citizens. And it's getting to the
[57:50] point where that's going to become the
crisis they are describing because
[57:55] people cannot afford to live here. And I
would do anything to see more of this
[58:00] put in place anywhere we can. Affordable
housing. This is a fantastic idea. These
[58:05] are are are great examples, but you
know, this is still the the cheap end of
[58:10] what's available out here. So, um it
it's, you know, recently I was I I
[58:17] turned my EMT certification ends next
year and I'm thinking, h do I really
[58:21] want to do it? I'm turning 70. You know,
at that point, I should be the one
[58:25] making the call, not the one showing up
for the call. You know, I went on a call
[58:29] the other day and it was a a failure to
thrive call and which means sort of
[58:34] usually you see that at the end of the
life and they're just despondent and
[58:38] falling apart and look pretty bad. And
as we were leaving I said to my em uh
[58:43] the paramedic I was with I said um did
you get their age? And he said 70. I
[58:49] said oh ouch I got six months before
that. I know I'm not going to be one of
[58:54] the failure to thrives and I probably
will reertify because we don't have a
[58:58] mechanism in place currently to keep
these young people at the ambulances and
[59:03] we and this is a great first step. So,
thank you for considering this.
[59:09] » Thank you for coming to speak on it,
Jimmy. All right. Um Kevin, is there
[59:13] anyone on Zoom for the second public
hearing?
[59:21] I I have no hands.
>> All right. Well, um, anybody any other
[59:27] questions from the board?
>> I just want to say I'm really happy that
[59:30] we're all on the same page and that
we're moving forward. Um, it's a it's a
[59:34] great step we're taking collectively.
>> Yes. Very excited.
[59:39] » Right. Then, um, Garrett,
>> so my recommendation would be to close
[59:43] the public hearing, please. And I would
like to submit a resolution for adoption
[59:46] at your next meeting,
>> please. Yes.
[59:48] » So much move to close the public
hearing. Second.
[59:51] » All in favor?
>> I. Thanks again, Carara.
[59:54] » Joy.
>> Cara will be on the 24th.
[59:58] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[59:59] » Uh,
>> thank you.
[1:00:00] » All right. Thanks.
>> Thank you.
[1:00:01] » So, madam clerk, would you please read
the notice for the third public hearing?
[1:00:05] » Public hearing number three to consider
water quality improvement projects for
[1:00:10] uh requested by the town of Southampton
land management department for Hampton
[1:00:14] Bay Sewer System Design Engineering. Uh
good afternoon, madam supervisor and
[1:00:20] town council members. Uh Jackie Fenland
again, uh community preservation
[1:00:24] director for the town of Southampton. Uh
these were um presented to you at the
[1:00:29] August 25th public hearing. Um so we did
receive comments uh but I believe there
[1:00:34] was a noticing error. So these are onen
today. Um so just to summarize these
[1:00:39] were um consideration for the H the town
of Southampton Land Management Hampton
[1:00:44] Bay sewer system design. Uh so that is
for $300,000 for the report geotechnical
[1:00:50] investigation meetings and public
engagement tasks and on call engineering
[1:00:54] services to implement a sewer district
in Hampton Bay with the primary purpose
[1:00:59] of treating the existing effluent
generated by on-site wastewater
[1:01:02] treatment uh which currently serve the
downtown area and will remove the source
[1:01:06] of nitrogen and other pollutants
presently discharged from these
[1:01:09] properties into groundwater that
eventually discharges into our surface
[1:01:12] waters. um not limited to but mostly
Shinikok Bay and Tyiana Bay due to the
[1:01:19] local Hampton Bay's business district.
Um so this is just a continuation of
[1:01:24] that hearing
>> because what we have already is just a
[1:01:27] conceptual
you know placement and um this money
[1:01:31] will allow us to hire a firm to do a
design. Where will it be placed? Where
[1:01:38] will the leeching fields be? So it's
this is just the next step in the
[1:01:42] process. Correct.
>> Correct.
[1:01:44] » Okay. All right. Well, I do have some
cards on this. The first is Michael
[1:01:50] Hillbrand.
[1:01:59] Good afternoon. Thank you for the
opportunity to speak. My name is Michael
[1:02:03] Hillbr Bays. The proposal to spend
300,000 of community preservation funds
[1:02:09] on a Hampton Bay sewer district design
runs contrary to the foundation of CPF
[1:02:14] fund fosters growth which is prohibited
and proposes to construct a sewer plant
[1:02:19] in a protected area of the pine barons.
Treated waste water containing 10 times
[1:02:23] the pollutants of the ambient
groundwater will be discharged into a
[1:02:27] deep flow aquifer. This area will not
experience any benefits from this plant.
[1:02:32] CPF rules state that preservation of
comm community community character shall
[1:02:37] include the protection and improvement
of the quality of all water bodies. The
[1:02:41] water quality of the Flanders Bay
wershed will be diminished. This is not
[1:02:45] a water quality project. The
construction of a sewer plant in the
[1:02:49] aquifer protection district and the
destruction of this critical resource
[1:02:52] area, the Pine Barons, vi violates state
law, town law, county regulations, and
[1:02:59] the intent of every regional plan, which
specifically calls for the preservation
[1:03:03] of this particular property for open
space and natural recharge. There is no
[1:03:08] regional master plan that suggests that
this area is appropriate for a sewer
[1:03:12] plant. Sewage from the business district
will be pumped uphill 24/7 at great
[1:03:17] expense across the groundwater divide
into the pine baronss violating mandates
[1:03:22] which prohibit the discharge of sewage
originating outside and downgradient of
[1:03:27] the pine baronss. There are better and
less expensive alternatives. Every
[1:03:32] environmental planner is taught that
sewage should never be introduced into
[1:03:35] deep flow ac
contamination risk to the groundwater
[1:03:40] posed by potential leaks, spills, or
system overflows. Deep water can take
[1:03:45] hundreds or thousands of years to
naturally refill and renew. Once
[1:03:49] pollutants like industrial chemicals,
heavy metals, or nitrates reach deep
[1:03:53] zones, cleanup takes decades or proves
impossible. This project does not
[1:03:58] qualify for CPF funds because it
accommodates and promotes significant
[1:04:02] growth growth. At a minimum, the size of
the town will be doubled and is likely
[1:04:06] that growth will be much greater than
that. CPF rules state that the town
[1:04:11] board shall not certified projects which
accommodates new or additional growth.
[1:04:16] The law is clear. The board cannot use
semantics to get around this. The public
[1:04:20] voted for and believe that CPF funds are
for per for preservation. I did. It is
[1:04:26] perverse to think that the use of these
f same funds is proposed to destroy
[1:04:30] acres of an ancient protected forest and
to defile a pristine aquifer to provide
[1:04:35] free infrastructure to enable developers
to build giant apartment complexes and
[1:04:40] » 30 seconds
>> at the pro at and profit at the expense
[1:04:44] of the taxpayer. The resulting
bottleneck
[1:04:48] traffic will make it miserable for all
residents of Hampton Bays and in fact
[1:04:52] for most of the residents of the South
Fork except for those with private
[1:04:56] private planes and helicopters. Thank
you.
[1:04:59] » Thank you Rosa Hillibbrand.
[1:05:07] » Good afternoon. My name is Rosa
Hillibbrand of Hampton Bay. We're the
[1:05:13] closest neighbors to the proposed sewage
treatment sewage treatment plant, but
[1:05:16] we're not the only neighbors. There are
over 20 other homes near the proposed
[1:05:20] plant and over 100 homes in northern
Hampton Bays which are impacted by this
[1:05:25] plant. I would like to read a portion of
a letter protesting the location of the
[1:05:30] Hampton Bay STP that was recently
written by Suffach County Legislator
[1:05:34] Steven Angelbright and sent to the Pine
Barons Commission. Legislator
[1:05:39] Angelbright states, "The proposed
project apparently would require both
[1:05:44] extensive vegetative removal and
installation of a pressure man to pump
[1:05:49] untreated waste water into the pine
baronss within a deep flow recharge
[1:05:53] area. This proposed project would
violate completely the legislative
[1:05:58] intent of article 57. It would also
establish a terrible precedent that
[1:06:03] would inevitably lead to other
profoundly inappropriate proposals
[1:06:07] throughout the Pine Barons region.
Importing liquid waste into the Pine
[1:06:11] Baronss for treatment and discharge
there would impose all of the
[1:06:15] uncertainties of potential mechanical
and chemical failures that are part of
[1:06:20] every operational sewage treatment plant
system. Such unpredictability is
[1:06:26] precisely opposite the legislative
intent of article 57, which is to
[1:06:31] preserve the Pine Barons as the
westernmost part of the Pakconic Bay
[1:06:35] Maritime Reserve and to formally
recognize in the law hydro hydraulic
[1:06:40] hydraologic and ecologic connection
between this ancient pine forest and the
[1:06:45] nationally significant estuary that it
sends fresh groundwater into. The
[1:06:50] subject proposal is not only contrary to
the Pine Barons Preservation Act, it
[1:06:54] would also defile the Picconic Bay
National Estuary with nitrogen infused
[1:06:58] treated wastewater. As a prime sponsor
of the Pine Barons Preservation Act, I
[1:07:03] wish to clarify that this proposal to
create massive engineered infrastructure
[1:07:08] for wastewater in the central pine
barons would permanently downgrade the
[1:07:11] groundwater and compromise the
ecological function of the Pine Barons
[1:07:15] and directly contradict the primary
goals of the important New York state
[1:07:19] law that this commission was created to
oversee implementation of. is important
[1:07:24] to add that I was also an original prime
sponsor of the community preservation
[1:07:29] fund and another another New York state
law. The CPF was implemented subject to
[1:07:34] a voter referendum within each of the
five east coast east and towns. The
[1:07:38] purpose of this 2% real estate transfer
tax was to protect community character
[1:07:43] by preserving through purchase open
space, woodlands, parklands, and
[1:07:47] historic sites. The 31 acre parcel that
is proposed to be used for a new sewage
[1:07:52] treatment facility so that the nearby
business district in Hampton Bays can
[1:07:56] essentially be doubled in size is not
consistent with the legislative intent
[1:08:00] of the TPF law that I co-sponsored which
was in part intended to complement the
[1:08:04] earlier Pine Barons Reservation Act by
providing a revenue source to enable
[1:08:09] purchase of important Pine Barons
properties. Unfortunately, this proposed
[1:08:12] plan to create a new sewer system in the
Flanders Bay area would not only violate
[1:08:16] the Pine Baron Preservation Act, it
would also cause an important largely
[1:08:20] unspoiled 31 acre Pine Barons property
that is ideal for purchase and
[1:08:25] preservation under the CPF to be
ecologically damaged and permanently
[1:08:29] lost for the open space purposes that
underly both of these New York State
[1:08:32] laws. I urge the board to read the
letter in its entirety and vote no.
[1:08:37] » Thank you. I have a copy of the letter.
Thank you,
[1:08:46] Jack. I have a few questions for you. We
have more speakers.
[1:08:52] » More speakers.
>> One more.
[1:08:54] » Go ahead.
>> GMardi.
[1:09:04] Thank you for your time. I oppose this
proposal because the facts and law do
[1:09:08] not support the use of CPF monies for
any component of the CPF project because
[1:09:13] the primary purpose is to provide for
residential growth even given the fact
[1:09:19] that there is a water quality component
to treat existing waste water in the
[1:09:25] commercial court of the Hampton Bays.
You are proposing to solve one problem
[1:09:30] by creating another problem potentially
contam contaminating the aquifer and
[1:09:35] surrounding waterways. And you can't
split the baby by saying a portion of
[1:09:40] the pro project is treating existing
waste water and then a portion of the
[1:09:45] project is for growth. And just because
you have um
[1:09:50] misapplied the law in the past and
potentially misused funds in the past
[1:09:55] does not give you a pass to do it again.
The STP project appears nothing more
[1:10:00] than an endgame and an end run around
the rejected STP at 30 Cemetery Road
[1:10:07] that was proposed to provide capacity
for new residential growth in downtown
[1:10:11] Hampton Bays. At the February public
hearing, Sue Smith asked this town board
[1:10:16] to provide her with the information as
to the origin of the STP to service
[1:10:21] downtown Hampton Bays. No one responded.
I checked with Sue this weekend. There
[1:10:26] was no STP in the Hampton Bay Corridor
strategic plan and first appeared in the
[1:10:30] enulled HBD to support the residential
development in downtown Hampton Bay. I
[1:10:36] reiterate this is just a substitute and
an end run for the STP at the Thor
[1:10:42] Cemetery Road to provide for residential
growth. There is no updated
[1:10:47] comprehensive plan for the building in
the Montalk Highway. There is no
[1:10:51] requisite um
cumulative secret review. But yet the
[1:10:55] town is moving forward and expending
millions of dollars on NTP. The town's
[1:11:01] push for residential growth in Hampton
Bays is not only irrational as there is
[1:11:06] no basis in fact law but it is literally
unnatural. I personally do not believe
[1:11:12] for a minute that town officials did not
know about the Nelson Pope Benvor
[1:11:17] contract to neutralize the residents of
Hampton states that oppose the HBD. This
[1:11:22] proposed ST will provide for unlimited
growth and unbridled development since
[1:11:28] the town does not have an effective land
use process to control development. I
[1:11:33] owe Supervisor Schneiderman an apology
since I blamed him for all the
[1:11:38] irrational land use decisions in general
and specific to downtown Hampton Bay.
[1:11:43] Now I realize it is SOB standard
operating SOP standard operating
[1:11:49] procedure. It is institutionalized. It
is systematic. I do not believe I do
[1:11:54] believe that eventually the law and
facts will prevail but I doubt that it
[1:11:59] will be done at the town level that as I
see you have a resolution on today's
[1:12:03] board
which is amazing but I guess this will
[1:12:09] have to be left to the courts or other
oversight agencies. Sad for everyone
[1:12:13] involved. Thank you.
>> This is the one from last time. Just
[1:12:19] make sure that's
[1:12:26] » Hey Jackie, actually I'm going to ask
Janice the question.
[1:12:41] » Good afternoon.
>> Sharer, town planning and development
[1:12:44] administrator.
>> I got a question for you. I don't want
[1:12:48] to put you on the spot. I know you're
not a engineer or a steep specialist,
[1:12:54] but your understanding when it Could you
just run through how the the sewage is
[1:12:59] treated?
>> How the sewage is treated?
[1:13:02] » Yeah. When it comes out, what's the
final product?
[1:13:04] » Sure.
>> Because people are saying that we're put
[1:13:07] putting sludge in the ground.
Um, we would seek to do a probably MBR
[1:13:13] system like Riverside, which is extra
filtration. It even filters out um, PAS.
[1:13:21] Sorry, I ran up the stairs.
And, um, by the time that effluent is
[1:13:27] tertiary treated, which means it goes
through several filtrations, it comes
[1:13:32] out less than 10 milligrams per liter,
which is the drinking water standard.
[1:13:38] So
>> then it is recharged
[1:13:40] » okay
>> in groundwater zone three which is a
[1:13:44] deep recharge area and then by the time
it makes its way to any surface water
[1:13:50] it's just like any other aquifer water
except decontaminated
[1:13:56] » excuse me
>> I just want to clear clear that up
[1:13:59] because people have been saying that
we're pushing sludge in
[1:14:02] » yeah it sounds like
>> and the and the riverhead I maybe you
[1:14:05] don't even know this the riverhead
sewage sheet ment plant discharges to
[1:14:08] the Ponic River. Correct.
>> Yes.
[1:14:12] » Which is why when they have this release
of accidental release, it's waste water
[1:14:17] that's released accidentally without
being treated. Whereas the ones that
[1:14:21] we're doing are Riverside and this one
also there is no we're not it's not
[1:14:26] discharging to Picottic. Actually,
Riverside, we were going to do a
[1:14:30] constructed wetlands and release the
water discharge to that, but because of
[1:14:34] the issues with the Riverhead treatment
plant, we decided to basically have
[1:14:38] everything done on site and be charged
on site.
[1:14:42] » That's exactly right. And it really has
to be understood that the water is
[1:14:47] treated, the effluent right now is
untreated going straight into the
[1:14:52] aquifer. And you would collect it all,
treat it so it's less than 10 milligrams
[1:14:58] per liter, and then discharge so it goes
through future even more filtration
[1:15:03] because that's all sand. And then it
travels in the aquifer. Wherever it
[1:15:08] goes, groundwater divide or not, it is
clean water going there. And and I just
[1:15:12] also want to say as we go through this
process as we did with Riverside, we're
[1:15:15] going to have the actual experts in to
give testimony and explain the the whole
[1:15:20] this is just this is just the very very
fun the water quality project to we're
[1:15:26] doing you know which is an eligible
project we're doing um that we are
[1:15:30] looking at the engineering the hydro
geology the um you know and EFC has a
[1:15:38] very specific template that you have to
follow. It's it's extremely advanced and
[1:15:42] the SRA
>> and also together like we have funding
[1:15:45] federal and state funding on the
Riverside project. We wouldn't have that
[1:15:49] funding if there these systems were a
detriment to the environment.
[1:15:53] » No, this is this is a public health
crisis and this is helping uh the
[1:15:57] groundwater and surface waters.
>> Once we have the actual hydraological
[1:16:02] data and the engineer can come in, we
can answer these questions more
[1:16:05] thoroughly.
>> Right. You would be treating the
[1:16:07] business district which is I think
approximately 270 some odd par 277 or
[1:16:12] something along
>> which even I mean this board was
[1:16:14] » 277 what parcels or
>> parcels along that stretch of road
[1:16:18] » and you have the gallons per day
>> it was said that we shouldn't be doing
[1:16:20] this in a vacuum in this small little
downtown thing we should be looking
[1:16:24] comprehensively at the whole corridor
and that's what we set out to do
[1:16:28] » and it was also overwhelmingly when we
were looking at 30 Cemetery Road and
[1:16:31] there was all the push back to that area
it was you know we don't it wasn't the
[1:16:35] push back wasn't we don't need a sewer.
This the push back was we absolutely
[1:16:38] need a sewer but we need to look at the
whole area and we need to place it
[1:16:42] somewhere outside of the business
district which would be and
[1:16:45] overwhelmingly crazy enough everyone had
suggested up by the transfer station and
[1:16:51] that happened to be the where we landed.
So
[1:16:54] » and this treatment system will be
significantly less clearing than the as
[1:16:58] of right
>> any as of right development. is not
[1:17:01] core. This is as of right
>> growth, right? It's
[1:17:04] » compatible growth. What why it's a
critical resource area is because it's
[1:17:07] deep recharge and this is exactly what
that is means. We're recharging the
[1:17:12] water back to the aquifer
>> to be pristine and used later.
[1:17:16] » I just I just want to I just want to uh
confirm what Councilwoman McMah was
[1:17:21] saying about previous conversations that
we had about this subject. there was
[1:17:26] push back to previous locations and we
said we were going to look at this more
[1:17:29] comprehensively and and here we are. Um
I do want to just however just meditate
[1:17:35] briefly on the letter. Did you read the
letter from legislator Angel?
[1:17:39] » I did.
>> And also we received I think a letter
[1:17:42] from the the uh the Pine Baron Society
that said something to the effect of
[1:17:47] » the society not the commission.
>> Correct. the society um that said
[1:17:51] something to the effect that we should
be waiting before we do something act on
[1:17:57] this. But but this this particular
resolution, can you just clarify this is
[1:18:03] a more preliminary
um evaluation
[1:18:07] that is going to allow us
to make more of an informed uh decision
[1:18:14] and understanding. This is this is still
very preliminary. Is that correct?
[1:18:17] » Yes. This allows us to now move forward
with an RFP to gain um to you know get
[1:18:23] professional services from engineering
hydro geology PE you know like an
[1:18:28] engineer that also is a hydro geologist
hydrarology um and
[1:18:35] this is what we do with water qual like
we're looking at the feasibility we're
[1:18:38] doing all the analysis so to come in my
humble opinion to prejudge it when you
[1:18:44] don't have all the facts is part of the
issue it's just that it you know what
[1:18:48] things are intended for you are going to
make a significant difference in water
[1:18:52] quality improvement.
>> So I just ask that as the department
[1:18:56] moves forward working with the
consultant that the issues outlined in
[1:19:02] uh legislator Anglebright's letter and
the Pine Baron's letter be looked at.
[1:19:07] » Sure. because you it's your job to weigh
out all those things economic,
[1:19:11] environmental, social, those things all
play into each other and weigh it all
[1:19:15] out, all the relevant facts and make a
decision. So, you're very far away from
[1:19:20] a decision yet, but you are committing
some water quality money to get those
[1:19:24] relevant facts to be able to make those
decisions. Correct.
[1:19:27] » And as you pointed out, it's not a
concentrated small area. This is going
[1:19:31] to cover the corridor from I think it's
East Tayana to Old Riverhead Road.
[1:19:35] That's right.
So, how many gallons per day is that
[1:19:39] about?
>> Oh, we did the feasibility analysis and
[1:19:43] we had like a range.
>> I feel like it was about 200 to 500,000,
[1:19:48] but we we're we're going to get drill
down closer on what
[1:19:51] » existing. I mean,
>> the very close to 200
[1:19:55] » 200. Yeah,
>> it's like 197,
[1:19:58] » but they make you design, as you know,
to peak flow. So, we have to design it.
[1:20:02] » They say that it's just a ruse for you
know unlimited residential growth and
[1:20:09] nothing is going to be treating the
>> existing corridor also res
[1:20:13] » this corridor and it's existing flow
that needs to be treated
[1:20:17] » absolutely right now you're going
straight into the aquifer every single
[1:20:21] person that every single business that
has a regular sanitary system is each
[1:20:27] one is 65 milligrams per liter roughly
you're going to less than 10 for all of
[1:20:35] So 277,000 let's say it's even 50
milligrams per liter. There's that
[1:20:40] number and then there's one number which
is less than 10 for everything. That is
[1:20:46] obviously a significant improvement.
>> All right. So we'll just see you know
[1:20:50] what comes of it. you know, as
>> well, you'll be having to do, you know,
[1:20:54] this is a like we go in steps and phases
to understand it all and so everyone
[1:20:59] else can understand it all and and make
sure that, you know, everyone is
[1:21:03] informed and on board to the extent that
they can be.
[1:21:06] » Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.
[1:21:07] » I'm going to check on the Zoom if
anybody's on Zoom now. Kevin, is anyone
[1:21:10] on Zoom for this
public hearing?
[1:21:17] » Yes, I have one hand up.
[1:21:44] Thank you.
[1:21:59] Hello.
>> What?
[1:22:04] » Hear me?
>> Yes.
[1:22:05] » Can't see you.
>> Can't see you though.
[1:22:08] » Yeah, I have it in my car right now
>> while I'm driving.
[1:22:12] » Shouldn't be driving.
>> Can't you can't weigh in while you're
[1:22:15] driving.
>> Not while he's driving.
[1:22:18] If he doesn't look
>> should pull the car over.
[1:22:24] » I just I have it playing through
Bluetooth. That doesn't That's not
[1:22:27] allowed.
>> Got it.
[1:22:30] » It's not wise.
[1:22:34] » I I understand that.
>> I just wanted to raise my hand and and
[1:22:40] say that I'm
>> Please identify yourself for the record,
[1:22:42] sir.
>> James Rogers.
[1:22:46] » Thank you.
[1:22:48] I just wanted to raise my hand and and
put on record that I oppose the proposal
[1:22:53] as well for the same reasons Mike and
his wife and everyone else in our
[1:22:57] neighborhood does as well. I live across
the street in that new development that
[1:23:00] went up. So, I just wanted to make sure
on record I know I'm not supposed to be
[1:23:06] talking while I'm driving, but I just
wanted to make sure that got out there.
[1:23:08] » Okay.
>> Thank you,
[1:23:15] » Kevin. Anyone else on Zoom for this
third public hearing?
[1:23:19] » Yes. One more person.
[1:23:35] » Can you hear me?
>> Yes, we can.
[1:23:37] » Thank you. I'll put my video on if that
helps. Um, I approached your
[1:23:44] » Okay. Please identify yourself for the
record.
[1:23:47] » Uh, surely. Uh, my name is Edwin
Riiffken, otherwise known as Ned
[1:23:51] Riiffken. I live in the same uh
subdivision as I think Mr. Rogers, who
[1:23:56] just spoke, and I appeared before you
some months ago. Um, I have no objection
[1:24:02] to the uh fundamental quest that you're
after, which is to expand the water
[1:24:09] treatment. It's the location that
concerns me since I live so nearby and I
[1:24:14] just want to register my objection. I
understand and I appreciate uh the
[1:24:20] consideration that you're all giving uh
to this project. Uh on the other hand
[1:24:27] anywhere but where you're thinking would
be fine with me as long as it does not
[1:24:31] impact our community, our small
subdivision, which I fear it might. So,
[1:24:37] I wanted to just register my objection
formally. Uh, but thank you for your
[1:24:42] service to this community and your
careful thought uh that goes into this
[1:24:47] project. That's it.
>> Thank you.
[1:24:51] » Sure.
[1:24:55] » All right. So, if there's no other
comments or questions, then I move to
[1:24:59] close the public hearing.
>> Second. All in favor?
[1:25:03] » I. Madame clerk, could you please read
the notice for the fourth public
[1:25:07] hearing?
>> Of course.
[1:25:10] Public hearing number four to consider
water quality improvement requested by
[1:25:15] the Hampton Bay Water District for
funding wellhead treatment for the
[1:25:19] removal of PSFAS
at uh plant number three.
[1:25:26] » Uh good afternoon again, Madam
Supervisor, town council members. Uh
[1:25:30] this is again the uh extension from the
previous public hearing from August 25th
[1:25:35] um for noticing um corrections and this
is the Hampton Bay Water District. They
[1:25:41] submitted an application for a water
quality improvement project um that was
[1:25:46] submitted in December of 2025 which is
now seeking um funding in the amount of
[1:25:51] 1,736,800
[1:25:54] for phase one of a multi-phase
comprehensive construction contract to
[1:25:58] fund eligible capital costs for plant
number three for POS treatment including
[1:26:04] engineering regulatory compliance
treatment equipment construction
[1:26:07] insulation and other associated project
components including but not limited to
[1:26:11] a granular activated carbon absorption
and treatment system which will treat
[1:26:15] the raw water from well number 3-3 and
well number 3-2 for the emerging
[1:26:20] contaminants of POS and PFOA and reduce
contaminants down to non-detectable
[1:26:25] levels in the town's drinking water from
this site.
[1:26:30] » Okay. to reduce it to non-detectable
levels of the POS
[1:26:36] and uh
the state changed the language in the
[1:26:42] statute to say that any project that
results in the improvement of water
[1:26:46] quality would qualify for community
December of 2024.
[1:26:53] Um it was signed into 64E that it
removed the specific requirements and it
[1:26:58] said any um project that will um reduce
or sorry improve water quality or
[1:27:04] improve drinking water uh can be funded
by the statute.
[1:27:08] So we are looking at this to help serve
Hampton Bay's residents um to give them
[1:27:13] clean drinking water and treat the
emerging contaminants. Um, and we're
[1:27:17] trying to do that before the federal
mandates for uh drinking water change
[1:27:22] » by the EPA.
>> Thank you.
[1:27:23] » Yeah. And I believe it was 2027 was when
it was anticipated, but I think there
[1:27:26] might have been an extension of that
time frame to 2030. Um, but of course
[1:27:31] going, you know, doing the preliminary
engineering and design and looking at
[1:27:34] the materials that would be relevant to
treat this um that would give us time to
[1:27:39] comply with those standards. And we did,
this is quite costly, but we were able
[1:27:43] to get another three million from the I
believe from the DEEC.
[1:27:48] » Yes, I believe you saw other grants.
Yeah, because the original request was
[1:27:52] 4.7 uh which reduced the request to 1.7
as stated earlier.
[1:27:57] » All right. Thank you. Anybody have a
question at this point for Jackie? Nope.
[1:28:02] » Thank you, Jackie.
>> We do have one card on this. Scalum
[1:28:05] party.
[1:28:12] » So, it is interesting how this Oh my
gosh. how this piggybacks water quality
[1:28:16] and contamination and how it just
happens. Um, but let's put a sewage
[1:28:21] treatment plant.
>> Please identify yourself.
[1:28:23] » Gail Lombardi. Thank you.
>> Hampton Bay. Okay. So, I have more of a
[1:28:27] question than a comment. Mr. Kappers
came to the civic association meeting a
[1:28:33] couple of months ago. Um, mostly talking
about the meters and a couple things. I
[1:28:38] have no recollection, neither did Neil
have recollection of him talking about
[1:28:42] PAS contamination at the Bella's Pond
sites. We're well aware of the
[1:28:47] contamination at Ponqu and it exceeded
the amount and that was the whole
[1:28:51] brewhaha a couple of years ago and the
10-year master plan and selling the
[1:28:55] water district over to Suffach County.
So, I guess it's more of a question or a
[1:29:01] comment. It's a big deal. I mean, I know
it's under the limit right now and in
[1:29:05] your report 2025, you say you're
compliant with all the laws, which I I
[1:29:10] suspect you are because it's under the
limit. But when did that happen? What I
[1:29:14] mean online you have all these tests.
It's a little hard to navigate through.
[1:29:18] I don't remember seeing a press release
from our commissioners saying we've now
[1:29:22] found contamination of PAS of these
wells. When did that happen? What year?
[1:29:27] What month was there a press release? I
didn't see it. I'm not, you know, saying
[1:29:31] you didn't do it. I'm asking you when
did it happen? And was the public
[1:29:36] notified that there's PAS from these
wells? I appreciate all the grants.
[1:29:40] Thank you for all that. Thank you. Thank
him. Thank you guys. But when did it
[1:29:44] happen? Does anybody know? You're the
commissioners. Was it this year? Last
[1:29:49] year, five years ago, when was it?
>> Are are you done speaking of? I'll
[1:29:54] answer.
>> I'm sorry. Do you have that answer?
[1:29:58] Not to go back and forth, but it doesn't
exceed the limits. And
[1:30:01] » I know I said it didn't. I know that.
When did we when was there a test done
[1:30:04] that showed any PE?
>> Because the EPA is lowering the limits
[1:30:08] and it's basically
expected to go to non-detect at some
[1:30:12] point. We're being proactive
>> in making sure that if we do get to
[1:30:16] detectable limits, they are treated
immediately.
[1:30:19] » It's not that the levels went up, it's
that the EPA is lowering the levels.
[1:30:23] » I understand that. But in the 10-year
master plan, there's, you know, the
[1:30:28] report of the you have your your testing
and your testing shows different levels
[1:30:33] and it's in the range or under the
range. When was a PAS test done at that
[1:30:39] site and showed this minimal range? You
had to have a test done to show this
[1:30:43] minimal range.
>> We are assuming that the EPA is going to
[1:30:47] non-detect,
which means we we have to treat even the
[1:30:51] barest minimum. I I
>> We're being proactive, Gail, is the
[1:30:54] answer to your question. We're being
proactive to make sure that the Hampton
[1:30:58] Bay's residents don't have to get water
with PES in it. That
[1:31:02] » You're not answering my question, honey.
I'm sorry. We're not
[1:31:04] » Okay, then I I have no answer for you
then. I mean, I I think I think I did
[1:31:08] answer your question and I just didn't
answer it the way that you wanted me to
[1:31:11] answer it.
>> When was when was the test done that
[1:31:14] detected that amount?
>> There are tests done all the time. Okay.
[1:31:18] » And the tests never exceeded the limit.
So the test show the how many years has
[1:31:23] the test showed this little
>> test has always been done. The test is
[1:31:26] we've been testing for PAS since
>> you're saying it showed Pas all these
[1:31:29] years.
>> No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying
[1:31:32] is that the Hampton Bays water district
is being proactive and they are seeing
[1:31:36] up up well of this. They are seeing
stuff. It's coming into wells all over
[1:31:42] Long Island. I get all that. This is an
issue.
[1:31:44] » I'm just asking a you test every
quarter. What quarter did you
[1:31:48] » We have never exceeded the limits of POS
any of our testing. That's our answer.
[1:31:52] » No, you're not answering the question.
Okay.
[1:31:54] » You're not answering the question. The
community should
[1:31:57] » They don't have to answer the question
here to listen to you.
[1:32:00] » The answer is we have never exceeded the
limits.
[1:32:02] » Okay.
>> That's the answer.
[1:32:03] » Okay. Maybe if you
>> there was never anything to inform the
[1:32:06] Hampton based community about because we
have never exceeded the limits and all
[1:32:09] of our testing is done completely open
and transparently. the people can get as
[1:32:15] many of the testing in minutia detail
that they would like to. We are being
[1:32:19] proactive to make sure that if and when
the EPA does lower the limits to
[1:32:24] non-detect, we are ready and willing and
able because turning down shutting down
[1:32:28] a well would be the worst case scenario.
>> And if there's a miscommunication, Gail,
[1:32:33] and why don't you email the question
because I feel like we're not connecting
[1:32:38] to
>> or just call James Kappers. He's more
[1:32:40] than willing to have a conversation with
any of our residents.
[1:32:42] » And and the EPA standards are a
recommended standard. They're not a than
[1:32:46] not a mandatory standard either. That's
just a recommended standard that's been
[1:32:49] lowered.
>> If you email me the question, I'll get
[1:32:52] the answer for you. If there's more to
the, you know, you're saying we're not I
[1:32:58] know, but she's saying we're not
answering the question. I don't think
[1:33:00] we'reending
the question. So,
[1:33:04] » I do apologize too because this was an
adjournment because of the noticing. We
[1:33:07] did have experts available at August
25th.
[1:33:11] » So, I just wanted to say like everyone
was here to answer such questions on
[1:33:15] August 25th, but I think if you do put
your questions in writing, I said we can
[1:33:19] get those answers because I know they're
not at my fingertips right now, but I've
[1:33:22] read through the studies myself with the
application that was submitted in
[1:33:26] December.
>> And he was here at our last
[1:33:27] » Yes. And he was here. Yeah. We have
>> any questions?
[1:33:30] » Exactly.
>> So, really, we'll get you the answers.
[1:33:33] Just email the question clearly and
we'll find out. Thanks, Jackie. Yes.
[1:33:38] » Um Kevin, is anyone on Zoom for this
fourth public hearing?
[1:33:49] » I have no hands.
[1:33:56] » Okay.
[1:34:00] » All right then. I'm If there's no other
comments, I move to close the public
[1:34:04] hearing.
>> Second. All in favor?
[1:34:07] » I.
>> Thank you. U madame clerk, would you
[1:34:10] please read the notice for the fifth
public hearing?
[1:34:13] » Public hearing number five to consider
amending town code chapter 298 taxation
[1:34:17] to amend article 14 exemption for
members of voluntary fire departments
[1:34:22] and ambulance services to authorize an
increased exemption for surviving
[1:34:27] spouses of members killed in the line of
duty.
[1:34:30] » Thank you, Madam Clerk. Good afternoon,
Madam Supervisor and members of the town
[1:34:34] board. My name is Kathleen Murray,
deputy town attorney.
[1:34:37] » Hello.
>> Currently, article 14 of chapter 298
[1:34:41] addresses property tax exemptions for
members of voluntary fire departments
[1:34:46] and ambulance services within the town.
In particular, subsection 37 states that
[1:34:52] when an enrolled member of a volunteer
fire company, fire department, or
[1:34:56] volunteer ambulance service is killed in
the line of duty, the deceased member's
[1:35:01] unremarried spouse may continue to claim
that real property exemption of 10%.
[1:35:08] Pursuant to recent state legislation,
however, that is chapter 592 of the laws
[1:35:13] of 2025
and in accordance with real property tax
[1:35:16] law section 466-A
that exemption may be increased from 10%
[1:35:22] to up to 50% of the assessed value of
the primary residence within the town if
[1:35:28] the board so chooses. In addition, the
state amendment re removes the
[1:35:32] requirement that a spouse cannot be
remarried in order to claim the
[1:35:36] exemption by replacing the phrase
unremarried spouse with surviving
[1:35:41] spouse. So, this local law implement
implements those two changes pursuant to
[1:35:46] the state legislation. If the board is
so inclined, there is a resolution of
[1:35:50] adoption on the agenda later today for
your consideration. And in addition,
[1:35:54] your town assesses, Lisa Gory, is here
and available to the extent you have any
[1:35:58] questions. Um, does the board have any
questions for myself?
[1:36:02] » Sorry, could you repeat what you just
said about the non-mar not being
[1:36:05] remarried?
>> Sure. Currently the uh current withdrawn
[1:36:09] the legislation used to say in the state
that you um you had to be unremarried in
[1:36:16] order to claim the exemption. So if you
were a widow or a widowerower and you
[1:36:20] got remarried, you lost the exemption.
But the state legislation has changed
[1:36:25] that to just say now surviving spouse.
So a widow or a widowerower gets
[1:36:30] remarried, they can still claim that
exemption.
[1:36:33] » So what we're doing is considering
adopting a legislation that mirrors the
[1:36:37] state.
>> Exactly.
[1:36:40] » In fact, I think that's what we were
waiting on was for the state uh Lisa to
[1:36:44] make those changes and these have been
ongoing conversations been going on for
[1:36:49] quite a while.
>> Yes.
[1:36:51] » All right. Tom, did you have something?
>> I um did want to read a letter uh from
[1:36:56] Terry Costuk, who is a surviving spouse,
lives in Eastport uh to to the board. Um
[1:37:04] and she was unable to make it today for
uh family reasons. Um but she did submit
[1:37:08] a letter. So I'm reading this on behalf
of Terry Costa.
[1:37:13] I am writing to express my support for
the proposed legislation establish
[1:37:18] establishing a tax deduction for
families affected by a line of duty
[1:37:22] death. As a widow whose husband Keith
Costik made the ultimate sacrifice while
[1:37:28] serving as a volunteer firefighter for
the Eastport Fire Department on
[1:37:32] September 21st, 2025.
I understand firsthand the emotional and
[1:37:37] financial toll these tragedies have on
surviving widows and families. When a
[1:37:42] fireman or EMS person dies in the line
of duty, the grief is immediate,
[1:37:47] overwhelming, and enduring. In addition
to personal loss, surviving spouses are
[1:37:53] suddenly forced to navigate an uncertain
financial future from having two incomes
[1:37:58] going down to one income overnight is
daunting. The long-term reality of
[1:38:03] managing a household and maintaining
financial stability alone is a
[1:38:07] frightening challenge. This proposed tax
deduction represents a crucial step
[1:38:12] towards easing the heavy burdens carried
by surviving widows and families. By
[1:38:17] reducing the property tax, this
legislation acknowledges the ultimate
[1:38:21] sacrifice made by our fallen heroes.
Thank you for your time and your
[1:38:26] continued dedication to supporting our
fallen heroes and their survivors.
[1:38:30] Sincerely, Terry El Costic, proud widow
of Keith B. Costic, 41 years of service.
[1:38:37] Thank you, Tom.
>> Thanks, Tom.
[1:38:41] » I do want to say that this was uh
discussed at the last Southampton Town
[1:38:45] Fire Chiefs Association meeting and they
are in full support.
[1:38:52] And I also want to add that these two,
this one and the next one did come up
[1:38:56] when the state passed it. And you know,
I've heard, you know, other
[1:39:00] municipalities pass this right away. We
actually waited only because when the
[1:39:04] state passed it, it wasn't in time for
the last round of tax bills to go out.
[1:39:09] So, we waited and we're doing it now.
So, it will hit the next
[1:39:13] » round of 2027, right? Come on up.
[1:39:20] » Trying to say it so you wouldn't have
to. Lisa,
[1:39:25] » uh, good afternoon, uh, madame
supervisor, town council members. I do
[1:39:30] have one suggestion. However,
it does state that the exemption is from
[1:39:36] 10% up to 50% of the assessed value. My
recommendation to the town board is that
[1:39:43] um it is made 50%
so that it is uniform and consistent
[1:39:48] with that of the surviving spouse of a
police officer killed in the
[1:39:53] » Yeah, we don't want to exercise
discretion about which
[1:39:56] » Okay. Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's a good point. So, um,
[1:40:00] we'll make sure we make that change that
when we adopt
[1:40:03] » council, we could do that, right? Is
that is that we could just make a change
[1:40:06] here on the floor?
>> You may do it, but you can adopt today.
[1:40:11] Yes. Which is fine. I'll recirculate
that change.
[1:40:13] » Thank you, Kathy.
>> So, you eliminate the 10% to 50% and
[1:40:18] just make it 50%.
[1:40:32] I don't have any cards on this. So,
Kevin, is there anyone on Zoom for this
[1:40:37] fifth public hearing?
[1:40:44] » I have no hands.
All
[1:40:48] right. Then I move to close the public
hearing. Second.
[1:40:52] » All in favor? I
>> I. And madam clerk, would you please
[1:40:55] read the notice for the sixth and final
public hearing?
[1:40:58] » Public hearing number six to consider
enacting art article 20, exemption for
[1:41:03] surviving spouses of police officers
killed in the line of duty of chapter
[1:41:08] 298, taxation of the Southampton Town
Cove.
[1:41:13] » Good afternoon, members of the board. Uh
somewhat similar to the last public
[1:41:17] hearing you just considered, currently
there is no real property tax exemption
[1:41:21] extended to the surviving spouse of a
police officer killed in the line of
[1:41:26] duty. Recent state legislation, that is
chapter 670 of the laws of 2025
[1:41:33] and New York State Real Property Tax Law
Section 471
[1:41:37] now authorizes an exemption for
surviving spouses of police officers
[1:41:41] killed in a line of duty by reducing the
taxable assessed value of their primary
[1:41:46] residents within the town by up to 50%.
So this local law implements that
[1:41:51] enactment and codifies it on a local
level. uh pursuant to that state
[1:41:55] legislation there are um paper there's
conditions um if you look at section
[1:42:02] 298-60
sub
[1:42:06] um I just wanted to note that in order
to establish that eligibility there is
[1:42:11] um paperwork that is available by the
division of criminal justice services
[1:42:16] and the office of real property tax
services for the town to use in making
[1:42:20] that determination. And one other note,
this will be enacting a new section of
[1:42:25] your town code that is article 20 um
town code section 298-60
[1:42:30] because again there currently is no
existing exemption uh to any degree for
[1:42:35] that um surviving spouse.
[1:42:40] So would you say that the words
>> so you'll see in
[1:42:44] » to the extent of is equivalent to up to
so we should table that one also
[1:42:50] » um taxation to the extent of 50%. To the
extent of 50% is 50%. So um
[1:42:58] » this one is 50%. Yeah. Um I misspoke
when I just delivered it. Yeah. When I
[1:43:02] just presented it to you I said up to
50% but this one is actually to the
[1:43:06] extent of 50%. So you may adopt this one
today um if you're so inclined.
[1:43:12] » Wonder why it doesn't say in the amount
of or 50% to the extent of see
[1:43:17] » it's legal jargon.
>> Yeah. This mimics the state legislation.
[1:43:21] » All right. Okay. And I just want to say
also this is another one where
[1:43:25] immediately once the state passed it PBA
president Eric Brightweiser did reach
[1:43:29] out in full support of this. So we do
have the PBA support office.
[1:43:33] » Great. And thank you Tom for initiating
the review of this.
[1:43:37] » Welld deserved.
>> And we actually had I think two
[1:43:40] surviving spouses
that were of officers killed in line who
[1:43:45] did did come to a prior town board
meeting passed the state. So
[1:43:49] » and I just want to
>> very appreciative
[1:43:51] » and I just want to thank Lisa for your
leadership on this and sitting with the
[1:43:54] the board to help us get this done.
>> Thank you Lisa. I don't have any cards,
[1:44:00] but Kevin, is there anyone on Zoom for
the sixth public hearing?
[1:44:08] » I have no hands up.
>> All right, then. Um,
[1:44:13] I move to close this public hearing.
>> Second.
[1:44:17] » All in favor? I
>> Thank you, Kathleen and Lisa.
[1:44:21] » Thank you.
[1:44:28] All right.
Well, that brings us to the public
[1:44:31] portion. Our first speaker is Eileen
McFen.
[1:44:36] You're still here. You stuck it out,
Eileen.
[1:44:46] » Happy Tumble Weed Tuesday. Well,
>> oh, that's right.
[1:44:50] and advisor and councilman.
Um, I'm a representative today for the
[1:44:56] Hampton Bay Civic Association, Eileen
McFallen.
[1:45:00] We have about 300 members, but we've put
petitions out and uh, as to date, we
[1:45:06] have about um 600 total signatures that
are urging the town council to purchase
[1:45:12] the properties for sale by the Hampton
Bay Fire Department Commission. Uh the
[1:45:18] property connects from Main Street to
Mtok Highway uh on Mtok Highway to um
[1:45:24] Goodground Ground Park. Uh there was a
plan made 10 years ago. We'd like you to
[1:45:29] finalize that plan by purchasing that
property. Uh the fire department is
[1:45:34] willing to um sell it for the fair
market value to the town. If the town is
[1:45:42] not going to buy it, they're going to
put it out uh to bid at the beginning of
[1:45:46] November
uh for the um proposed amount of about a
[1:45:52] million dollars.
It is very beneficial to Hampton Bay's
[1:45:57] residents that the town purchases this
land over uh letting some developer and
[1:46:04] doing whatever they choose to do. Uh,
and it could be that they'll make a a
[1:46:10] plan to connect from Main Street to the
park. Uh, but maybe they won't and maybe
[1:46:16] they'll use it in some other way or
maybe they won't use it at all. We don't
[1:46:20] know what a developer would do, but we
know that the plan was made by the town
[1:46:24] and we would like you to continue with
it, finalize it, and give it a good
[1:46:28] walkway because there is no walkway
other than uh what's closer to Guava,
[1:46:33] which is not a very safe walkway. you
would never use it after dark. Uh it's
[1:46:39] not a good walkway for anybody that has
any disabilities. So, there's a lot you
[1:46:45] can do to improve this and just to make
it um a great place for the residents
[1:46:50] and that's what they want and we will
present the um petitions as soon as we
[1:46:55] finalized with them.
Uh, you know, in the email that you sent
[1:47:01] me, you mentioned that the fire
department contacted the town and gave
[1:47:06] the town till September 21st to respond,
but I've asked and nobody seems to be
[1:47:12] aware of any kind of notice like that
coming in.
[1:47:16] » Where did you hear that?
>> They spoke to me personally
[1:47:20] » and they told you that they spoke with
or notified us that we had until the
[1:47:24] 21st to respond.
>> They were going to.
[1:47:27] » All right. Maybe they didn't send it
yet.
[1:47:30] » I don't know what they'd be waiting for.
[1:47:35] » Um, I also wanted to say thank you that
you're putting so many stop signs and
[1:47:39] giving safety to Hampton Bay. That's
much appreciated.
[1:47:43] Um, also, do you have a date or any
information uh that you can share
[1:47:49] regarding the Long Island Railroad
overpass repair on Majuk Highway on the
[1:47:54] next meeting in the fall? Have they
contacted you? You know, it was not
[1:47:58] clear because it seemed like they were
going to have it in October and then I
[1:48:02] thought that legislator Welker said
October 2027.
[1:48:06] So, I'll follow up and find out about
that.
[1:48:08] » Okay. Thank you. And that's all I have
to say. I hope you really truly consider
[1:48:13] this.
>> Thank you.
[1:48:15] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:48:20] All right. Next speaker is Gail
Lombardi.
[1:48:28] Thank you.
>> First, yes, happy tumble we Tuesday, but
[1:48:32] I also want to offer Jim Burke special
condolences for this week. Um, I know
[1:48:38] Friday's difficult day. So, um, thank
you, Gail. So, in the June meeting, I
[1:48:45] came and now I'll get to the, you know,
the normal gale, not not the nice gale.
[1:48:49] In the June meeting, I straight to ask
council person Aasili for um support for
[1:48:55] the statements that he made that the
community wanted the new parking lot.
[1:49:00] Well, I appreciate councilman uh council
person McNamera indicated that she and
[1:49:05] Susan von Freddy wanted it. Well, that's
two people. Um that did not suffice, but
[1:49:10] I was already seated and I didn't want
to create a scene. Council person Isili
[1:49:15] made that statement at a very
contentious civic association meeting
[1:49:20] about the parking lot and I request that
I request that he support his statement
[1:49:26] for those very reasons. For what I see,
not only do town officials make
[1:49:31] irrational decisions that they can't
support, they also make a lot of
[1:49:35] statements they can't support.
However, in council person's is defense,
[1:49:42] I did find some um notes about the
parking lot in the 2025
[1:49:49] Hampton Bay uh citizens advisory
committee minutes on the town's website.
[1:49:55] There were no minutes for the or agendas
for 2026, but you take that out with
[1:50:00] you, citizens advisory committee chair.
So that raises another question for
[1:50:06] council person pal and
did you guys throw the HBCA
[1:50:12] under the bus about the timing of the
parking lot renovation when there would
[1:50:17] when you were in talks with the HBCAC
citizens advisory committee and either
[1:50:23] confused the um acronyms or purposely
wanted to discredit the HBCA the uh
[1:50:32] civic associ association. I'm not
associated with the civic association.
[1:50:36] I'm not on the board and I remove
removed myself because I am very vocal
[1:50:41] and I don't know if Eileen's still here,
but she's much nicer than I am and I
[1:50:45] don't want to taint Eileen here. Again,
I owe Supervisor Sniderman an apology. I
[1:50:51] blamed him for purposely tarnishing the
reputation of anyone or any organization
[1:50:57] that questioned the town's plans and
purposely created discord among the
[1:51:03] various community groups in Hampton Bays
so he could um opinion shop to garner
[1:51:09] support for his latest scheme. Now I
realize that this the uh stirring the
[1:51:16] pot of discord and discrediting
individuals and organizations is by
[1:51:21] design in the town
and you all are better than that. Many
[1:51:26] of you have several years left in office
and I hope you will seriously consider
[1:51:32] your relationship with the entire
community you promise to serve and try
[1:51:37] to bring people together instead of
creating discord. Thank you.
[1:51:47] » Okay. I don't know if you want
[1:51:53] » if you want to.
pretty feel free if you want to.
[1:52:00] » Me too.
>> I mean I think there was a
[1:52:03] misunderstanding in what was put out
there that I mean I think what you meant
[1:52:09] was that people in the civic were eager
for the parking lot project to be done
[1:52:16] that everybody supported the project.
>> I'm sorry. You going to rebut what I
[1:52:21] say?
>> No, I'm not.
[1:52:22] » No, I'm not rebuting. She's making a
statement. I'm just saying I'm just
[1:52:25] think I wasn't there so I really
shouldn't say
[1:52:28] » exactly supervisor with all due respect
you weren't there we had three town
[1:52:31] board members there the be the meeting
was very contentious three town board
[1:52:36] members that was my version of watered
down what I want to what I would say so
[1:52:42] it would probably be better not to open
the door for things that I really want
[1:52:46] to say that meeting was very contentious
>> all right
[1:52:49] » and I won't say anything I address some
of your com if you could take your seat
[1:52:54] and then I'll I'll
>> I would like to stand here.
[1:52:57] » It's not a rebuttal period. This isn't a
debate. It's it's
[1:52:59] » Hey, Jim, can you speak up here?
>> Tell us about
[1:53:02] » She did. That's okay.
>> Okay. So, with all due with all due
[1:53:07] respect, Gail, the the the Hampton Bay
Civic invited us on that day there. They
[1:53:13] specifically had myself and Bill on the
agenda to provide updates to which
[1:53:18] Councilman Pal and I devised slides
publicly with the help of our staff to
[1:53:24] and highway department. Highway
department actually showed up to provide
[1:53:27] various updates on quality of life
improvements, a whole host of different
[1:53:31] projects that we've been working on in
Hampton Bay. We provided that. We were
[1:53:36] up there uh and uh Councilman Pel was
accused of being up there campaigning
[1:53:41] politically and that's when it sort of
became a little contentious. I I think
[1:53:47] uh Councilman Pel and myself were caught
off guard by that comment because we
[1:53:51] fulfilled a request of the civic to be
there and pre present on the updates
[1:53:55] that that Councilman Pel provided. In
terms of um the request of uh the the
[1:54:03] parking lot improvements, we we have
been at almost every CI civic meeting.
[1:54:09] Uh we try to be there. Yeah. We're at
also the CAC meetings and we meet with
[1:54:15] the chamber. There are not just people
in your civic that have come up to us at
[1:54:20] those meetings to ask when are you going
to do the parking lots. We've had
[1:54:25] members of the Hampton Bay community
here at previous town board meetings
[1:54:29] asking what are you going to do to
improve the parking in Hampton Bay? Uh
[1:54:34] where where what can you do to create
more parking spaces so people can park?
[1:54:39] Go to the senior center. Go to the
various businesses downtown.
[1:54:44] Councilman Pel has worked very
diligently with the highway department,
[1:54:48] working with the board to procure
resources to get some of those projects
[1:54:52] underway
and that's that's what I can say to
[1:54:56] that.
>> Yeah, we work we work very hard for
[1:54:58] Hampton Bays and we end up getting
bashed and um it's you know we go to we
[1:55:04] don't have to go to those meetings but
we go to because we like Hampton Bays,
[1:55:07] we like the people there and it's it's
very unfortunate. You got a handful of
[1:55:12] people who see a lot of negative things
and and everything we're trying to do
[1:55:17] and you know we're trying to improve it.
I mean I lived in Hampton Bay for a
[1:55:20] number of years and that parking lot was
horrible 20 years ago.
[1:55:25] Um it was too tight was laid out wrong
was was just horrible. And
[1:55:32] you know people
walk it up to when I when I was a
[1:55:36] trustee they said you know what do you
think about the park on in Hampton Bay?
[1:55:40] I'm working on more parking lot on south
of the railroad tracks which is which
[1:55:45] you might not need now but in five years
you're going to need it. Um I'm trying
[1:55:50] to I'm trying to help Hampton Bays and
most of the people realize that. I mean
[1:55:55] that night when I got bashed and Michael
got bashed. I had people on walk out
[1:55:59] said don't listen to them. You're doing
a good job. You don't listen to them.
[1:56:02] You're doing a good job. Don't listen to
those people. You're doing a good job.
[1:56:05] Keep on doing it. Hampton base needs
you. It just makes us feel like, you
[1:56:10] know, we're working extra hard and not
Hamlet because it got it got, you know,
[1:56:17] neglected for a number of years by the
prior board
[1:56:21] » and we're trying to make up for it, you
know, and catch up. I mean, you have but
[1:56:26] you outnumbered
>> and it wasn't and it wasn't myself and
[1:56:28] Susan von Freddy. It was I met with
Susan von Freddy. I was the liazison to
[1:56:32] the Hampton Bay Beautifification
Association. She was the president of
[1:56:34] the organization and met with me on
behalf of the organization. And like as
[1:56:39] I've said previously, I mean the timing
left a lot to be desired, but I don't
[1:56:44] haven't talked to one person yet who
doesn't like the result. I'm I applaud
[1:56:48] you guys for working with the business
owners in the lot to make sure that you
[1:56:52] know things that they needed
accommodated for were done
[1:56:55] » and I think that was the disconnect.
Every the timing was everybody wanted
[1:56:59] the project to happen. It was just the
timing was unfortunate and we do have
[1:57:03] have communicated with the engineering
department to ask them to please let us
[1:57:07] know in advance when things are
progressing because all they know is
[1:57:11] that we want everything done as fast as
possible. So they're trying to do it and
[1:57:16] but you know from now on they're
communicating with us to say we could
[1:57:21] start this now is that all right you
know so that something like the timing
[1:57:25] doesn't happen again or we can give it
more thought contracts the timings in
[1:57:29] when we when we want it to stop before
it just the contract said you know we
[1:57:34] want it right away
>> and and it's not you know it's not like
[1:57:37] we did it to Hampton Bays we did it to
ourselves when the restrooms were closed
[1:57:41] here in the middle of the winter. So,
>> exactly. Yeah.
[1:57:45] » It wasn't Hamlet specific.
>> No.
[1:57:47] » Uh, okay. Kevin, is there anyone on Zoom
for a public portion?
[1:57:53] » Yes, there is.
[1:58:03] » I have two hands. I'm bringing the first
person in now.
[1:58:05] » Thank you.
[1:58:10] » Oh, God. Nice
[1:58:16] picture.
>> Hi.
[1:58:22] » There we go. Can you hear me now?
>> Yes, we can.
[1:58:25] » Okay. Good afternoon, everybody. Um,
about two years ago,
[1:58:30] » please identify yourself for the record,
Lorraine.
[1:58:33] » I'm sorry. It's Lorraine Pcelio from Bay
View Pines.
[1:58:35] » Thank you.
Flanders. Um, recently, well, not
[1:58:39] recently, almost two years ago, we
complained about a commercial sign on
[1:58:43] residential property on the corner of
Birch Avenue and Route 24. It's a Fisher
[1:58:48] property sign. I believe they own the
house there, but the sign is a res is a
[1:58:52] commercial sign sitting on residential
property on the town 4 foot frontage.
[1:59:00] And um when we made the formal
complaints through the online system, it
[1:59:04] was closed out. And then we followed up
with our CIC committee. We sat down with
[1:59:08] Ryan Murphy in November of 25 and we
asked again to enforce our laws and
[1:59:13] ticket to sign and put it down. Um this
morning I called Ryan Murphy and I asked
[1:59:19] him the status and uh he said I would
have to foil the information. I asked
[1:59:25] him specifically does that mean you will
not talk to us and provide updates
[1:59:28] regarding um the sign that's illegally
posted? and he said, "You'll have to
[1:59:34] file a foil request." He repeated that
three times. I said, "Can you say yes or
[1:59:37] no that you're not allowed to talk to
me?" And he repeated the foil request
[1:59:41] that I have to put in. I don't
understand why we can't communicate with
[1:59:44] town officials regarding our issues.
This communication is
[1:59:50] not productive. Additionally, the end of
Longneck Boulevard has been having a
[1:59:56] problem for many years. I know you many
of you are aware of it. um and that
[2:00:00] there is a pending project to help with
the flooding situation. However, in the
[2:00:04] past, the highway department has cleaned
and plowed the sand that accumulates at
[2:00:08] the end along Neck Boulevard off the
street, which helps and allows water to
[2:00:12] drain. I have made several complaints to
the highway department as the water is
[2:00:16] being trapped on the street level and
there's excess of sand at the end of the
[2:00:21] street. I've complained weekly in March,
April, and was told there's not much
[2:00:28] that they can do and um it's so bad now
that you can drive directly over the
[2:00:34] guardrail. I don't think that's a good
guardrail if you can drive over it
[2:00:38] because of the sand buildup. And as I
said, um the highway department always
[2:00:41] plowed that sand and took it off the
street. And additionally, the standing
[2:00:46] water since we've been having such heavy
rains um it accumulates there more
[2:00:51] regular uh than it has in the past years
besides just the regular flooding that
[2:00:55] comes in from you know extra high tides
and storms. So every big flooding event
[2:01:00] that we have including these rainstorms
we have excessive water sitting on the
[2:01:05] street for weeks at a time also since
March. And so people cannot access the
[2:01:10] beach. They have to walk through
standing water that sometimes has been
[2:01:14] standing there for a week or two weeks,
3 weeks time. I see children playing in
[2:01:18] it. This is not healthy. It's unsanitary
and dangerous. Yet nothing is done
[2:01:24] despite multiple calls to the highway
department.
[2:01:27] Um we think that at least when it lasts
more than two to three days, it should
[2:01:31] be drained or sucked up somehow and put
over into the sand. Please, somebody
[2:01:36] reach out to Highway on our behalf
because they just ignore us.
[2:01:40] Um the last thing I have is that um you
know I also sit on the CAC for Flanders
[2:01:46] Riverside Northampton. We provided a
list of homes for the vacant buildings
[2:01:49] registry and when we asked Mr. Murphy
the status he said they sent out notices
[2:01:54] to two homes sent out a letter saying
that they're in violation and that
[2:01:58] they're working on. I don't understand
if we give them a list of multiple
[2:02:02] homes. How long does it take to look at
a house to see that it's deteriorating
[2:02:07] and neglected to send out a letter? Why
is only two letters went out? Why didn't
[2:02:11] the letter go out to the whole list of
of um people that we provided to put on
[2:02:16] the registry?
>> Um 30 seconds
[2:02:20] off. And lastly, just one slight comment
must you give us three days notice of
[2:02:26] these meetings with the agenda attached.
You provided notice on Friday of Labor
[2:02:31] Day weekend and the meeting is on
Tuesday. What about three business days?
[2:02:35] Wouldn't that be more helpful to us
trying to read these agendas and and and
[2:02:40] be able to respond properly? Just
consider that in the future. I
[2:02:43] appreciate it. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[2:02:50] » These get posted on Thursday after the
agenda review. It depends on what we're
[2:02:54] waiting for from the town board as well.
You know,
[2:02:58] » these things were posted on Monday
night.
[2:03:00] » I was the one that brought it back to
Friday so people would have the weekend
[2:03:04] to spend with the agenda in case they
needed to motivate their organizations
[2:03:08] to come out to speak. So, um, Kim works
very hard to try and get it out on
[2:03:14] Thursdays whenever possible to give them
another 24 hours with it. So, but it's
[2:03:21] all timing, you know, with the agendas
and the approvals and the department
[2:03:24] heads and everybody else. So, you know,
doesn't happen.
[2:03:27] » It's a courtesy. It's not
>> it's not magic.
[2:03:30] » It's not mandatory.
>> Kim performs the magic.
[2:03:34] » Okay, Kevin. Is someone else
[2:03:39] » trying to bring them in?
[2:03:52] I got back just in time.
[2:04:04] » Hi.
>> Hi. Can you hear me?
[2:04:07] » Yes, we can.
>> Please identify yourself for the record.
[2:04:10] » Sure. Um, my name is Maria McDaniel and
I have been a taxpaying resident of
[2:04:16] Southampton for approximately 25 years.
I live in North Sea. I am here because I
[2:04:23] have written to both Kristen Dulos and
Daryl Balmer at Parks and Recreation
[2:04:28] specifically requesting a response and
received none.
[2:04:34] I had the same experience with
Councilwoman Cindy McNamera. I then had
[2:04:39] my letter published in the Southampton
Press and now I'm speaking to you.
[2:04:45] As a pickle ball player, I simply want
to play on the public courts closest to
[2:04:51] my home that my tax dollars help fund.
My letters concerned enforcement of the
[2:04:57] rules at the public pickle ball courts
at 1370 Major Path. Local groups
[2:05:04] routinely disregard the 45minute court
limit intended to allow others to
[2:05:10] participate. They remain on the courts,
making equitable access impossible.
[2:05:17] Asking these players to relinquish the
courts after their aotted time has
[2:05:22] resulted in acrimony.
Taxpayers should not be forced to
[2:05:27] confront other players in order to have
the town's own rules observed. Another
[2:05:32] Southampton resident, Daniel Blum,
described similar rule enforcement
[2:05:37] problems and hostile behavior by routine
players in an August Southampton Press
[2:05:43] letter. His experience shows this is a
recurring issue, not an isolated
[2:05:49] complaint. Southampton taxpayers deserve
equitable access to our public courts.
[2:05:56] There is already a different model at
the town's Red Creek Park pickle ball
[2:06:01] courts in Hampton Bays where a staff
member is present during the summer. I
[2:06:06] know this firsthand. In order to be
reasonably sure I can play, I have
[2:06:11] driven approximately 25 minutes each way
to Hampton Bays rather than the 3
[2:06:17] minutes to the major path courts near my
house. The rules already exist and are
[2:06:23] posted.
So, enforce them. I advocate for a town
[2:06:29] staff person to monitor the 1370 majors
path courts during summer peak play
[2:06:35] hours and enforce fair access and
rotation. I am asking you to reply to me
[2:06:42] with how you specifically intend to
enforce the rules. Thank you very much.
[2:06:49] » Please. I don't think
>> I don't know. Is that is that SYS or
[2:06:53] other employees? It's uh not it's not
SYS. It's it's the town um it's the town
[2:06:58] facility. Um I did have a actual long
conversation with her this afternoon um
[2:07:04] after speaking to Kristen Dulos. Kristen
Dulos who you know to hear that somebody
[2:07:08] didn't get a reply is not Kristen. Um
Kristen actually was waiting to hear
[2:07:13] back from Vinnie Mangano who is
routinely at that pickle ball court in
[2:07:18] in North Sea and wanted to hear from him
what was going on, what we could
[2:07:21] potentially change. Um and uh when I
spoke to this woman today, I forget,
[2:07:28] Maria is her name. Um she actually asked
that we go from the whiteboard system
[2:07:34] that we have where currently I guess
players names are actually being erased
[2:07:37] by people playing to a paddle system
where you put your paddle on the rack
[2:07:42] and then you go through whoever's
paddles on that you play. I didn't know
[2:07:45] at the time after I spoke to her, I
spoke to Kristen. Kristen said, "We had
[2:07:49] the paddle rack system. That was deemed
completely a failure." So that's when
[2:07:53] they went to the whiteboard system. She
also reached out to Vinnie Mano, who,
[2:07:58] you know, we we've I've told her that
Kristine is going to put up for a
[2:08:03] part-time person next year in the
spring. But to think that we're going to
[2:08:07] get somebody to sit there and and watch
the courts from 8 to 11:30 in the
[2:08:12] morning, it's
highly unlikely. and the person that
[2:08:16] she's talking about at Red Creek, she
actually does instruction
[2:08:21] and she happens to be there and when
she's there she will enforce the rules,
[2:08:25] but it's there's a there's a there's a
group of players, you know, that's we've
[2:08:29] had issues with other other people have
come and complained. It's almost like
[2:08:33] you want to be the parent and be like,
I'm just taking it away from everybody
[2:08:35] and shutting it down for a little bit.
Nobody's going to play. But, you know,
[2:08:38] that's obviously
>> it's almost to that point where, you
[2:08:42] know, to say that this is a privilege to
be able to play on these courts. I mean,
[2:08:45] yes, your taxpayers funded it, but at
the same time, there's rules that have
[2:08:48] to be respected. And to think that we
have to, you know, hire a young kid to
[2:08:53] babysit adults playing pickle ball is
kind of crazy in my opinion. So, you
[2:08:58] know,
>> so it's not SYS.
[2:08:59] » It's not SYS. It's the town facility.
And to Maria's point, she had said that
[2:09:04] maybe we should have the woman who does
instruction in Hampton Bay do
[2:09:07] instruction in Southampton. We did
originally try that and we got inundated
[2:09:12] with complaints because it's a very busy
set of courts and nobody wants
[2:09:16] instruction there. They want to just go
and play when they want to play. So
[2:09:21] Kristen is looking into this. We are
going to post it and see if we get a
[2:09:24] pickle ball monitor next year. I you
know I most likely will not. Um you know
[2:09:30] as you know we have problems staffing
our beaches and and parks. So, it's
[2:09:36] we're trying and and I do owe her a
phone call back after I did speak to her
[2:09:40] and found out that we have already tried
the rack system and that was deemed to
[2:09:44] not work. But, I mean, we are at a point
where the behaviors and it's the same
[2:09:48] people every day and it's almost like
maybe we need to close it for a little
[2:09:52] bit and and just, you know, listen,
either you're going to follow the rules
[2:09:56] or it's not going to be available.
>> I don't know. These are adults. It's
[2:09:59] sad.
>> It is sad. As soon as the weather turns,
[2:10:02] they go inside to SYS and play.
I think it's pretty much the same group
[2:10:08] of people who play outside and play
inside in the winter. And we had a lot
[2:10:12] of complaints syss.
>> I think the people who play pickup, not
[2:10:18] all of them, but there's a small
percentage of they need to have some
[2:10:21] ethics put into them.
>> And I will say too, Vinnie Mano's been
[2:10:24] out and usually when he's there and he
facilitates, he keeps an eye on things
[2:10:27] and keeps it fair and gets everybody,
you know, kind of doing the right
[2:10:30] things. But
I just, you know, these are adults.
[2:10:33] These are adults are being asked to hire
staff to police adults.
[2:10:37] » Yes, my wife
>> I think they did shut down SYS.
[2:10:41] » I'm sorry, Will.
>> Sys shut down the inside, right?
[2:10:44] » Because my wife plays pickup ball and
she says um behavior by the pickup ball
[2:10:48] players are very rude.
>> Supposed to it's supposed to be a fun
[2:10:55] » I know. You have to be fair to other
people. This is really disheartening to
[2:11:00] hear that.
>> And on and on
[2:11:01] » is there is just on that is there
signage that says
[2:11:04] » there's the Barry rules are very clear.
There's a whiteboard. The whole system
[2:11:08] is mapped out. Everybody knows what
they're supposed to do. But you have
[2:11:11] grown adults are racing people's names
because they don't want to play with
[2:11:14] them. You're talking about a 15-minute
game. It's not like you're playing with
[2:11:18] this person for an hour. It's 15
minutes. So, you know, it's kind of kind
[2:11:23] of disheartening. And then to Lorraine
Facilios, I will say what she was asked
[2:11:26] to foil is because it's in court
currently. And on the Bacon Properties
[2:11:30] Registry, there were more than two
letters put out. Um, I did speak to
[2:11:37] Barbara Suzowski, who's the chair of the
CAC, at her last meeting and said, "If
[2:11:42] you want to put in a a sheet or a
request of properties that you want us
[2:11:45] to look into, we're happy to do that.
Don't assume that they're going to be on
[2:11:48] the list." So, they are putting that
together. They have not submitted a
[2:11:52] list. So,
[2:11:56] Even if you had cameras at the um pickle
ball court.
[2:12:01] » We do, but they're not close enough. But
it's like the same thing.
[2:12:03] » Identify someone.
>> You want to go play on a court and be on
[2:12:06] camera? I mean, I I
>> I know that's true.
[2:12:09] » I don't want to discourage the people
that are doing the right thing.
[2:12:11] » It's a lot of information. Pickle.
>> Oh boy.
[2:12:16] » What do we have? Another card here. Just
in the nick of time. I was just about to
[2:12:19] close it.
[2:12:24] Michael Hillbrand
>> they shut the courts down this the
[2:12:27] inside courts I guess
[2:12:31] » I want to address some of the comments
uh first the um Councilman Pel um
[2:12:38] » please identify yourself
>> Michael Hillibbrand
[2:12:40] » thank you
>> Hampton base so
[2:12:45] ambient groundwater maybe there is a 1
milll or 005 so when you're putting 10
[2:12:52] in that's that that's the legal limit
for drinking water but wildlife requires
[2:12:57] a much much smaller amount. So it's
either what I'm trying to say is it
[2:13:03] doesn't treat STP doesn't treat uh
everything you know it's it's better
[2:13:09] than it started with 50 to 10 but it's
still 10 to 20 times what's there in
[2:13:16] natural recharge number one. Second of
all, the deep, if you Google, anyone
[2:13:22] Google, should you put an STP in a deep
flow recharge area, see what you get.
[2:13:27] It's the worst place to put it. Someone
just said it was the best place to put
[2:13:31] it, which is insane. That's because the
whole Pine Barons was started for that.
[2:13:36] That is that is the the resource of all
our drinking water. And it's not re
[2:13:41] natural recharge is from water going
through. It's artificial recharge and
[2:13:46] has pollutants in it. And those
pollutants again I keep saying are north
[2:13:50] of the groundwater divide. That's a
different water body. So that water body
[2:13:55] is going to get worse. That goes to
Flanders Bay. It goes to there's some
[2:13:59] wetlands to the west. It goes to
Hoverard Creek. That's that's the whole
[2:14:04] point of this. If it if this sewer
treatment plant was in the same
[2:14:08] waterhed, yes, you're taking uh water
with higher nitrogen and making it
[2:14:13] lower. Here you're taking watering
pudding. You're making the the nitrogen
[2:14:18] higher. So it's it's not it you you're
this is this this area was set aside
[2:14:25] like 40 years ago for um you know just
just to be reserved so we have drinking
[2:14:30] water. when um they first built the
subdivision. We're we're the model house
[2:14:36] of the nine lot subdivision and the the
county bought it because it was too
[2:14:42] sensitive to build any more houses for
groundwater recharge. That's why they
[2:14:47] bought it. That's why there are no
houses to the west. We our house
[2:14:51] probably shouldn't be there. But now you
want to build next to it a sewer
[2:14:55] treatment plant which literally equal to
1,800 new houses. That's how much is
[2:15:01] going to go in there. There'll be the
new system houses with the IIA system,
[2:15:05] but that's the problem. And the second
thing is there's always leaks and that
[2:15:11] leak when you go in a deep recharge, it
it it's just it's the reservoir for the
[2:15:16] whole island. It's like it's almost like
they're reading the the maps exactly
[2:15:20] opposite because it just doesn't go
away. So, you're going to add all these
[2:15:25] chemicals, all these pollutants, any it
just happened in Riverhead a month ago
[2:15:29] in July. There was an overflow. It It
goes It went right into Okay. went right
[2:15:35] into it and it doesn't go away. And
that's the problem. That's what if if
[2:15:39] you read uh Legislator Ingel's letter
carefully, that's that's what they're
[2:15:44] talking about. It's not it that's why
old sewer treatment plans are really
[2:15:49] close to the water and even in
Riverside. doesn't mean it that that is
[2:15:53] still going to go into uh Flanders Bay.
It's it's still going to travel
[2:15:58] underwater, you know, it goes at a
certain rate and uh quickly
[2:16:03] » three minutes.
>> Okay. Uh and uh quickly there is also if
[2:16:07] you look at any of the groundwater
there, there was perched water next door
[2:16:11] in a resource recovery area. There's
there's like um if you look at the old
[2:16:15] subdiv subdivision um profiles of uh
soils, there's there's like 10 ft of
[2:16:21] clay and there's uh there's all this
silt and there's hard pan and it's very
[2:16:26] unpredictable how that water is going to
move. You don't know how fast it's going
[2:16:30] to move laterally. So, it's going to go
down. It's going to go down deep and
[2:16:34] it's going to go sideways and it's hard
to predict. Thank you.
[2:16:37] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[2:16:41] All right. Well, if there's no other
comments, I move to close the public
[2:16:44] portion.
>> Second.
[2:16:45] » All in favor? I
>> Let's move ahead with the resolutions.
[2:16:51] » Town board resolution 1234 of 2026,
co-sponsored with Councilman Neely.
[2:16:56] Authorize supervisor to sign any and all
documents with Electronics Systems
[2:17:00] Central Station Alarms, Inc. for fire
and burglary alarm control panel upgrade
[2:17:04] and replacement.
>> Second.
[2:17:05] » All in favor?
>> I. Resolution 2026-1239
[2:17:10] to authorize the supervisor to execute
any and all documents relating to an
[2:17:13] agreement with Tel View Corporation to
continue to provide software support and
[2:17:18] software maintenance for Southampton
Sun20 TV.
[2:17:21] » Second and co-sponsor madam clerk.
>> All in favor? I. Resolution 2026-1274
[2:17:30] to award a mini bid 10003-26
and to authorize the purchase of one
[2:17:35] 2026 Ford Ranger Super Crew 4x4 XL from
Scorpio Motors LLC doing business as
[2:17:42] Greenwich Ford using the New York State
OS contract for vehicles class 1 through
[2:17:47] 8 statewide.
>> Second.
[2:17:49] » All in favor?
>> I. Resolution 2026-1279
[2:17:55] award mini bid 100005-26
authorize the purchase of one 2026 Ford
[2:18:02] Superduty F250 XL from Haley's Brother
Ford LLC LLC use it New York State OGS
[2:18:12] contract for vehicle class 1-8 statewide
>> second
[2:18:15] » all in favor
>> I
[2:18:18] tile board resolution 1284 of 2026 award
bid packet uh 38 of 2026 and authorize
[2:18:25] supervisors to sign contract with core
and main LP for meter replacement.
[2:18:29] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:18:30] » I I
>> resolution 2026-1287
[2:18:35] award bid package 2026-0037
to authorize supervisor to sign contract
[2:18:41] with decoy construction inc for boat
ramp reconstruction for Pconic Bay and
[2:18:46] Corwin Lane.
>> Second. All in favor?
[2:18:48] » I. Resolution 20261289
co-sponsor with supervisor Moore
[2:18:54] authorized the purchase from Federal
Eastern International LLC using the New
[2:18:58] York State OS contract number as
indicated for firearms ammunition and
[2:19:01] less lethal products.
>> Second.
[2:19:03] » All in favor?
>> I.
[2:19:05] » Resolution 2026-1290
authorized purchase from Long Island
[2:19:10] Pre-Cast Inc. used in Suffach County
contract PC 051
[2:19:16] 523 for pre-cast structure and casting.
>> Second.
[2:19:20] » All in favor?
>> I I
[2:19:22] » resolution 20261292
co-sponsored with supervisor Moore to
[2:19:26] authorize the purchase of priority
dispatch system annual maintenance from
[2:19:30] Medical Priority Consultants Inc. DBA
priority dispatch system for the PD.
[2:19:35] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:19:36] » I.
>> Town board resolution 1293 of 2026.
[2:19:40] Authorized purchase from Musco Sports
Lighting LLC using source contract as
[2:19:44] indicated for sports lighting.
>> Second.
[2:19:47] » All in favor?
>> I.
[2:19:49] » Resolution 2026-1305
to authorize the supervisor to execute a
[2:19:54] contract amendment with Daniel R.
Felasco PEPC as it relates to
[2:19:59] professional consulting services for the
Fire Island to inlet to Montalk project.
[2:20:05] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:20:06] » I. Resolution 2026-1311
co-sponsored by council members Pel and
[2:20:12] Malamera to authorize funding for the
Hampton Bay Water District for funding
[2:20:16] wellhead treatment for the removal of
POS at plant number three.
[2:20:20] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:20:22] » I resolution 2026
1312 authorized funding for the town of
[2:20:28] Southampton land management department
for Hampton Bay sewer system design
[2:20:33] engineer.
>> Second.
[2:20:35] » All in favor? I resolution 20261315
to authorize purchases from General
[2:20:41] Motors LLC using source contract number
as indicated for automotive parts and
[2:20:46] supplies co-sponsored with supervisor
Moore.
[2:20:48] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:20:50] » I resolution 2026 1316 co-sponsored with
supervisor Moore authorized purchase
[2:20:55] from Eastern SuffK Bosey's contract
number as indicated for General Motors,
[2:20:59] Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, and Ford OEM
repairs and parts. Second.
[2:21:04] » All in favor? I
>> town board resolution 1318 of 2026
[2:21:08] accept the donation of a 2003 southwest
trailer from Suffach County Department
[2:21:12] of Fire Rescue and Emergency Services.
>> Second.
[2:21:16] » All in favor?
>> I.
[2:21:18] » Resolution 2026-1321
declare item surplus and authorize
[2:21:23] dispose of trailer.
>> Second.
[2:21:26] » All in favor?
>> I
[2:21:27] » I. Resolution 2026-1326
to authorize the supervisor to execute a
[2:21:32] contract with First Coastal Corporation
as it relates to professional services
[2:21:37] for the Fire Island Inlet to Montuk
Point project.
[2:21:40] » Second.
>> All in favor? I
[2:21:42] » I
>> resolution 2026-1332
[2:21:47] award mini bid of 1012-26
authorized dep of one 2026 Ford T350
[2:21:56] from Schultz Ford Lincoln Inc. using New
York State OS contract for vehicles
[2:22:01] class 1-8.
>> Second. All
[2:22:05] » in favor? I
>> I found board resolution 1296 of 2026
[2:22:09] co-sponsored with councilman Neely
notice to biders for wellhead treatment
[2:22:13] for the removal of peas at plant number
three contract F foundation construction
[2:22:17] bid packet number as indicated
>> second.
[2:22:20] » All in favor I
>> I
[2:22:22] » town board resolution 1297 of 2026
co-sponsored with councilman Neely
[2:22:26] notice to biders for wellhead treatment
for the removal of POS at plant number
[2:22:29] three granulated activated carbon
absorber contract bid packet number as
[2:22:33] indicated. Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:22:36] » I.
>> Resolution 2026-1308.
[2:22:41] Notice the biders for Long Neck
Boulevard in Fllanders Bio bid package
[2:22:46] number 2026-000047.
[2:22:51] » Second. How's that for service?
>> All in favor? I. So October 7th, we'll
[2:22:56] have the bids and hopefully we can award
it right away and get that project done.
[2:23:01] » Yes. It's been on and off for the last
two years.
[2:23:05] » Resolution 2026-1323
notice to biders for 2026 supply number
[2:23:11] two fuel oil service and repair bid
packet number as indicated.
[2:23:16] » Second. All in favor? I
>> resolution 2026-1328
[2:23:24] notice of bidder for Bayway improvement
bid package number 2026-000045
[2:23:31] co-sponsored by the supervisor and
Michaela second
[2:23:35] » all in favor
>> I town board resolution 1331 of 2026
[2:23:41] reject bid and second notice to biders
for granulated activated carbon change
[2:23:44] out bid packet number as indicated
>> second
[2:23:47] » all All in favor?
>> I.
[2:23:49] » Resolution 2026-1335,
co-sponsored by council members Pal and
[2:23:54] Aasili, a second notice to biders
renoticing and extending the bid opening
[2:23:58] date for Penny Park.
>> Second.
[2:24:01] » All in favor?
>> I.
[2:24:03] » So Jim, we are trying, but we're being
held up. Jim Din, you're talking about
[2:24:10] resolution 2026-1306,
co-sponsored by council member Pel, a
[2:24:14] bond authorization of $500,000 for
construction of the new town activity
[2:24:19] center at 393 Mill Road, West Hampton
Beach. Madame Clerk, does that have to
[2:24:24] be the role? There is. We need a second
first.
[2:24:27] » Second.
>> Thank you, Supervisor Moore.
[2:24:31] » Yes. Councilman Neil,
>> yes.
[2:24:33] » Councilman Sili,
>> yes. Councilman Cal.
[2:24:36] » Yes. Counciloman McNair.
>> Yes.
[2:24:40] » Thank you. Resolution 2026-1275
to amend the 2026 adopted budget for
[2:24:48] special events.
>> Second.
[2:24:50] » All in favor? Me too.
>> Uh resolution 2026-13000
[2:24:56] co-sponsored by council members and Pal
to authorize the transfer of funds to
[2:25:01] replenish the historic burying ground
fund. Second.
[2:25:05] » All in favor?
>> I just want to say one thing on this.
[2:25:09] » People don't realize how important this
is.
[2:25:12] » We had a cemetery meeting today
>> and um we have a lot of people are very
[2:25:19] committed to take care of the cemeteries
volunteers and so when you lose one and
[2:25:26] or you die yourself, you know, hopefully
in 100 years someone will be taking care
[2:25:31] of your grave.
>> Exactly. Thank you, Bill.
[2:25:34] it won't be me.
But yeah, and on that note, I want to
[2:25:38] thank you for restoring the fund because
we just put up a beautiful fence on the
[2:25:43] north end cemetery on North uh Dorsy
Road there. And um we uh we're very
[2:25:49] thrilled. It looks beautiful. And it's
in celebration too of the 250th
[2:25:53] anniversary of the founding, you know,
of the United States. And we have
[2:25:57] revolutionary war soldiers in that
cemetery. So it was the timing was very
[2:26:02] good but we appreciate you replenishing
the fund because that that money is
[2:26:06] needed for future repairs on on
infrastructure. So thank you and Julie
[2:26:11] Green is wonderful partner uh in the
historic division helping to oversee all
[2:26:16] of this and my two liaison um Councilman
Pel and Councilman Aili have been
[2:26:21] attending the meetings which has been a
new development in the last 20 years
[2:26:26] actually. So, um,
>> well, there's going to be some really
[2:26:28] fun, interesting, historically engaging
things to come in the future.
[2:26:32] » Yes, very much. Thank you for your
support.
[2:26:35] » Can't wait.
>> I'm not really too keen on having tours
[2:26:37] in cemeteries.
>> What's that?
[2:26:39] » I'm not really too keen on letting
people have tours in cemeteries.
[2:26:42] » What about a Halloween scavenger hunt?
>> Oh, yeah. We shut those down. We shut
[2:26:48] those down.
>> All right. Resolution 2026-1301
[2:26:53] co-sponsored by Councilwoman McNamera to
authorize the 2026 contributions to the
[2:26:58] volunteer ambulance workers trust fund.
>> Second.
[2:27:01] » All in favor?
>> I
[2:27:04] this next one you withdraw.
>> Tom Neely
[2:27:07] » resolution 2026-1336.
We are going to
[2:27:13] » Right. We're going to withdraw this.
>> Withdraw our table.
[2:27:15] » Be redone.
>> Withdraw it so they can redo it and put
[2:27:18] a new one on. That's correct.
>> Well, we have to make a change.
[2:27:22] » So, we draw it,
>> right?
[2:27:25] » Not not official to the surviving
spouse. That's right.
[2:27:29] » Okay.
[2:27:32] Okay. Resolution 2026-1337
resolution of adoption enacting article
[2:27:39] 20 exemption for surviving spouses of
police officers killed in the line of
[2:27:43] duty of chapter 298 taxation of the
Southampton Town Code. Second.
[2:27:49] » All in favor?
>> I
[2:27:53] board resolution 1294 of 2026,
authorization of cost reimbursement
[2:27:57] waiver for the Galilee Church of God in
Christ violence free block party which
[2:28:00] was held on August 22nd, 2026 from 10:00
a.m. to 3 p.m.
[2:28:03] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:28:05] » I. Town Board resolution 1298 of 2026
authorized waiver of parks and
[2:28:10] recreation facility use fee for the
Piconic Invitational cross country race.
[2:28:15] » Second.
>> All in favor? I
[2:28:17] » I
>> town board resolution 1302 of 2026. We
[2:28:20] have a portion of the show mobile fees
for the San Janeiro feast of the
[2:28:23] Hamptons.
>> Second.
[2:28:24] » All in favor?
>> That's this weekend just in case anybody
[2:28:27] wanted to go.
>> This weekend
[2:28:33] was this weekend. Was this weekend?
>> Yeah.
[2:28:35] » 123
Las Vegas. Resolution 2026-1310
[2:28:42] co-sponsored by council members McNamera
and Neely to authorize the sale of 1.5
[2:28:47] town owned Pine Barons credits.
>> Second.
[2:28:50] » All in favor?
>> I.
[2:28:53] » Town board resolution 1314 of 2026
co-sponsored by the entire town board
[2:28:59] designate September 20 26 as National
Recovery Month in the town of
[2:29:03] Southampton.
>> Second
[2:29:06] » and I would like to read it. Whereas
National Recovery Month is a national
[2:29:10] observance held every September in order
to educate Americans that substance use
[2:29:14] treatment and mental health services can
enable those with mental substance use
[2:29:17] disorders to live healthy and rewarding
lives. And whereas the town recognizes
[2:29:21] that currently there are 23 million
Americans in recovery who are going
[2:29:25] through the process of change by
improving their health and wellness,
[2:29:28] living a self-directed life, and
striving to reach their full potential.
[2:29:31] And whereas represented by the color
purple, National Recovery Month shines a
[2:29:35] purple light on recovery and raises
awareness of substance use abuse
[2:29:39] disorders. And whereas those purple
lights shine brightly throughout the
[2:29:42] town of Southampton, including the Koopa
at the top of town hall, the big duck in
[2:29:46] Flanders, St. Mary's Church in Hampton
Bay, and the Sag Harbor windmill.
[2:29:51] Recognizing all those in the process of
recovery, those who have lost their
[2:29:54] lives to addiction, those who have been
affected by addiction, and those who
[2:29:57] make recovery possible. Now therefore,
be it resolved that the town board of
[2:30:01] the town of Southampton hereby wishes to
join Safe and Southampton, its members
[2:30:05] and members including the Southampton
Town Police Department, Human
[2:30:09] Understanding and Growth Services, HUGs,
Long Island Addiction Resource Center,
[2:30:14] Hampton Bay Schools, Hampton Coffee
Company, the town of Southampton Youth
[2:30:18] Bureau, Stony Brook Southampton
Hospital, I try St. Mary's Church in
[2:30:22] Hampton Bays and other community members
in designating September 2026 as
[2:30:26] National Recovery Month in the town of
Southampton.
[2:30:30] » All in favor?
>> I.
[2:30:32] » And I, you know, it's not just these.
I've noticed a lot of the other churches
[2:30:36] and windmills have had the lights, so
it's really catching on.
[2:30:40] » I know Westampton windmill they did
around it, right?
[2:30:43] » Around it and in the windows. And then
the church across the street, St. Marks,
[2:30:47] has the same thing lit up.
>> Nice.
[2:30:50] » Yeah. Town Board Resolution 1325 of
2026, authorization of cost
[2:30:55] reimbursement waiver for the Hampton
Bay's Lions Club 15th annual Over the
[2:30:59] Bridge 10K run and 5K runwalk to be held
on September 19th, 2026.
[2:31:04] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:31:05] » I.
>> Resolution 2026 1269 to attend the 2026
[2:31:10] public safety symposium, building safer
and stronger communities.
[2:31:14] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:31:15] » I. Town Board Resolution 1309 of 2026
authorized fire marshal Shaun Kernin to
[2:31:21] attend the New York State Fire Academy
fire investigation photography class
[2:31:25] September 30th to October 2nd 2026 in
Montour Falls, New York.
[2:31:29] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:31:31] » I I resolution 2026-1316
co-sponsored by council members McNamera
[2:31:38] and Pal to promote Paula Godfrey to
senior legislative aid in the town
[2:31:41] council's office.
>> Second.
[2:31:43] » All in favor?
>> I. Resolution 2026-1322.
[2:31:48] » I just want to say she works very hard
for us. Very hard. She's a good egg.
[2:31:54] » Seven days a week she's working for us.
>> Resolution 2026-1322
[2:32:00] to appoint Justin Latiri to youth
counselor position in the youth bureau.
[2:32:04] » Second.
>> All in favor? I.
[2:32:07] » This what we did.
[2:32:15] You're sorry. Resolution 2026-1295,
notice of public hearing to consider
[2:32:22] amending town code chapter 312-9 to add
stop intersection regulations at the
[2:32:28] intersections of Greenway Court at Old
Riverhead Road West and Gateway Court at
[2:32:32] Greenway Court, Hampton Bay.
>> Second.
[2:32:36] » All in favor?
>> And Tom, someone will be here to talk to
[2:32:39] us about that, right? either either Tom
or May will be here to show us on an
[2:32:45] aerial and explain it.
>> October 13th.
[2:32:49] » Yes, I already told them.
>> Thank you. Uh resolution 2026-1319
[2:32:54] co-sponsored by the entire board. A
notice of public hearing to consider all
[2:32:58] the water quality improvement projects
proposed for the 2026 Community
[2:33:03] Preservation Fund 20% water quality
improvement plan grant funding.
[2:33:08] » Second.
>> All in favor? I can I just say I want to
[2:33:11] I I just want to thank Jackie and Dan
for your hard work as well as working
[2:33:15] with all of our other departments uh
highway department in particular. Um we
[2:33:20] just really appreciate your
responsiveness to some of these
[2:33:24] requests.
>> Yes, I say thank you. And actually a few
[2:33:27] people actually watched it and they
asked me about some of this stuff
[2:33:31] » which is nice because now they can come
to the public hearing and they can speak
[2:33:34] because they know what we're talking
about.
[2:33:36] » Not come because I already answered the
question.
[2:33:38] » There you go. So, we did half and now
we're going to do the other half this
[2:33:41] Thursday. And uh
>> Thank you.
[2:33:44] » Then there was a change. So, it's
September 24th, Thursday, 10:00 a.m.
[2:33:49] That's when the public hearing will be.
>> Okay. Next, it's resol resolution
[2:33:54] 2026-1324.
I am going to be withdrawing this
[2:33:58] resolution.
It was to have a public hearing to add
[2:34:02] stopping, prohibited, and designated
locations on a portion of State Route 24
[2:34:06] Flanders. I'm withdrawing that because
um we had uh I did not believe that we
[2:34:13] enacted regulations on state roads into
the town code and I was initially told
[2:34:18] that that was a uh we do now. Um but I
asked uh the town attorney's office and
[2:34:24] the engineering office to dig a little
deeper and in and in fact we do not
[2:34:29] enact
uh regulations on state roads. So we're
[2:34:33] withdrawing this one.
>> Okay, that makes sense. Thank you, Tom.
[2:34:36] Resolution
2026-1320
[2:34:40] co-sponsored by the entire board to
authorize the acquisition of 2024
[2:34:45] 208 212 and 214 Old Country Road and
four scrub lots in Eastport, Remenberg,
[2:34:52] Bianca, Northampton and to amend the CPF
management and stewardship plan to
[2:34:56] include these properties. Second all in
favor. And last but not least, let's
[2:35:02] see, we've got town board resolution
2026-1344
[2:35:08] to authorize the acquisition of 1719
North Sea Road in the Hamlet of North
[2:35:13] Sea and to amend the CPF project plan
and CPF management and stewardship plan
[2:35:18] to include the property.
>> Second.
[2:35:21] » All in favor?
>> I.
[2:35:22] » And that's I'm co-sponsored by the
entire board. And lastly,
[2:35:27] town board resolution 2026-1350,
which is the warrant number 17, capital
[2:35:34] 17, CPF17,
dated September 8th, 2026.
[2:35:39] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[2:35:41] » I.
>> All right.
[2:35:45] There's no other business. I move to
close the meeting. Second.
[2:35:48] » All in favor? Bye.
>> Bye.