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Okay, we had our finger on the calls. That's right, right? That's weird. That's it. Our hands are going in the same place.

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Is this turned off?

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Okay, it is a 305 or 303. I will call this work session on August 25th, 2026 to order. Our mayor will be here, momentarily. And so, but we'll go ahead and get started.

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and we'll start with the pledge of allegiance.

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Jessica, are you taking over for talent managers comments today?

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I am.

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Good afternoon.

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Please welcome you to our first council work session in the council chambers.

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So welcome to town hall.

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We have two items on your action section of your agenda today.

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The first one is to repeal the red corner social district, the ABC commission

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informed the owner of Reds Corner that that was actually not necessary in order to get their

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licensing. So Attorney Macarley has recommended that we repeal the social district that you

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approved back in July. Resolution 1160 is a very, very limited power of attorney for the town clerk

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work in order to request duplicate replacement titles for town and vehicles and equipment

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when we may have misplaced those and are selling those items.

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For our Council updates and discussion section of the agenda, we have three items today.

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We have Mr. Jeff Darling and he is the CEO of the YMCA of the Santils and then we have Mr.

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Bruce Griffin, who is from the North Carolina Alliance of YMCA, they will be discussing

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the property that we transferred to them and the project to construct a YMCA in Southern

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Pines. Director B. J. Grief will give us an update from the Planning Department and then

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the last item on the agenda is the Council Code of Ethics, which was requested by Mayor

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climate and then you'll have your council roundtable. Thank you. Assistant Major Roth. Any questions for Jessica?

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All right. Seeing none we'll move to our action items and is there a motion for ordinance 30208 or

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additional questions?

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We just have to move to approve that ordinance correct. Or do we just do it?

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You are repeal on the previous, and the previous one is ordinance number 3208.

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So I'll make a motion that we read.

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I'm sorry, the previous one is 30207.

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30207.

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38 is the repeal of 30207.

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Okay.

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I make a motion that we repeal ordinance 30207 and replace it with ordinance 30208.

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There's a motion in the second. All in favor?

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Aye.

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Motion carries.

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Is there any additional discussion or motion?

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That's the resolution 1160.

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No, I think it's a great idea.

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So make a motion that we adopt resolution number 116,

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a requesting limited power of attorney to give

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into the town court for the purpose of requesting duplicate

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or replacement titles for Town and Equipment.

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Second.

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Motion.

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Second. All those in favor?

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I motion carries as well.

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Thank you guys very much.

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All right.

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We'll move to part five.

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Updates and discussions with Jeff and Bruce.

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Was Town staff going to be part of this?

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Or just just the folks in the YMCA?

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Just you guys.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, and thanks for giving us a little bit of time today.

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I know that you are already aware that you have some great concerns

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over and up from that one, you've written into the agreement with the land of Triad Science

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and had to do with having a preliminary science and two of the other items

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that you can be done by the English September.

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And I met with Reagan and let him know we are not going

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to hit that deadline, we might have heard

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that he could have not even called us right now.

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But I did want to mention a couple of things

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in my interview shoot to Bill Murray to be your friend.

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But a couple of bags for years, and I recognize a couple

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faces that were in the meeting the one time that I was here. I came on the very

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tail end of the agreement in order to be decided and I got to show up for the

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I'm very glad you're here.

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That's meeting, right before everything comes to normal. What I didn't know at that time was that my other duties in

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federal and county and county counties were going to pretty much take all of my time to not forget the rules. And so it set us back considerably with

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project here also, learning that we miss some very significant steps required to be successful

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at bringing the audience to the team. And so we have now reached out to the experts and asked

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Bruce Griffin to step in as a consultant and someone who has been very successful at bringing

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one in two days of community. And so I'm going to have to turn over the word is

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you'll be able to cover some of those stuff also. And I'm going to give you one second

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to plug in. It's a lot of pressure doing tech in front of us. Bear with me.

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I did rehearse

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ahead of time. Congratulations on your new facility here. This is really impressive. And

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And it looks like people are whispering when they're talking.

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And I'm trying to see who's mouth is moving because your mics are so powerful.

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And I'm a loud person, so I'm going to apologize ahead of time.

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In your area there, I have a packet of information, so I have a copy of our slide deck, I have

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a copy of a detailed kind of summary timeline, and then we have a community forum document

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that I want to share with you later.

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So thank you council for having this. My name is Bruce Griffin. I'm a consultant with the North Carolina Alliance of YMCA's. We support 26 associations from Wilmington to Raleigh, to Charlotte, to Asheville, to Bertie County, Stanley County,

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Cumberland, Hornet, and Moore County and everything in between.

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I'm retired. I'm still working full-time so I really wasn't that good at it.

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But retired from a career of sort of wise really all over the country.

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I'm from Raleigh. Originally I'm housed in Nightdale right now.

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We are a YJ household. So little trivia. My wife is the National Director for

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sports for the YMCA of the USA. So she gets the first floor suite though I think her titles far

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more important to mine is. So most recently I was the CEO in Goldsboro, North Carolina and then

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have moved back to Raleigh. So a little bit of background there.

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I want to add a little bit more

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to Jeff's story. When I first came into this role I've known Rick Halp who was Jeff's predecessor

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for a long time. It's very innovative, creative, out of the box. He's a wonderful at negotiating and I think it is amazing what he and the town work through on the eight acre piece of property on Oregon 10 and Henry.

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Jeff did come in, his Fayetteville wife, he came in two years, removed from COVID.

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He comes in, his Fayetteville wife had catastrophic water damage to the electrical system of

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their pool, and they had to gut the entire system.

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He had to shut his wife down for almost a year, so his cash flow was challenged.

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He had a property in Hope Mills, the lease was not a good lease, and they walked away from

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the lease so they left their hoop mills that only left them with their camera and location

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which is really pretty amazing the storefront in Celebi and then he has this property in

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southern pines tiktok tiktok that the clock is ticking for him to try to figure out what

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to do. He knows nobody in any of the counties he has really nobody to introduce him people

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so he's knocking on doors trying to figure it out. Rick has gone and finally raved with

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Wave to White Flag and came to you and I think Senna note to the town manager and say we just can't,

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we can't follow through. And there was some outpouring from the community. He had not really felt that

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before one because he hadn't really engaged, been able to because he just didn't know.

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the folks from West Southern Pines, they're kind of a passionate group I found.

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So they came out, we met with them, and started the process.

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A lot of my working supporting-wise is supporting new communities, big and small, that won't

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wise.

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I'm kind of a matchmaker, wise, the, why you say, charters, local-wise is independent, they

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They've not chartered a new one in the last five years.

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That's an independent.

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We are going to get Jacksonville.

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If you can imagine, Oneslow County,

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with almost 300,000 in their county,

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we're finally getting them approved for independent charter.

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But why is it exists under the umbrella of an existing why?

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So that's why discussions about a way in Southern Pines

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would fall under the Wayne State of the San Hills.

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Does that make sense?

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So a couple of things I'd like to kind of walk through.

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Let me make sure I hit all those highlights first great so the project was paused and unfortunately

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and I've been kind of following along were grateful for local media that supports goodness

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in the community and so I think might have somebody here from the paper which is great.

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Unfortunately I think the message that came across is that the why just could not fundraise they

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They cannot raise the money.

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And it really raised the question, I asked Jeff, I said, well, what are you raising the

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money for?

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It's kind of hard to go out and raise money when you really don't know what you need,

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what you're building.

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Is it all the right things you really probably need to vet that.

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So my comment here was to make sure there's really good validation.

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So what's not about funding capacity?

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That's way down the road before you start raising money.

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He just didn't really have time to communicate with the community, learn the site, learn

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the competitive opportunities, what are the gaps in that area of programming?

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Why is typically going to try to address gaps?

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They don't come in as a gorilla and try to just take over all areas and they have five primary

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areas that why serve.

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They serve health and wellness fitness.

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most folks when you think of a why would you think of women gym or some

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by the village people right I mean to be honest so so aquatics child care

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both before and after school summer camp senior programming and sports those

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are normally the five areas if you're in a city that's got a strong sports

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program. Why try to duplicate? But maybe sports is offered in the fall. There's nothing in the

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spring for kids. Well, then let's find those gaps. That's what wise typically do. The more gaps,

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the better in terms of programming. So the key questions are, what's the role and is it,

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is it Southern Pines or is it the full county located in Southern Pines? What unmet community needs

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and service gaps exist. That's the question you're looking for.

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And then once you have that, you can decide what your facility looks like,

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what programs, partnerships,

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because it's one thing to build a Y. It's another thing to sustain a Y.

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And the worst thing to do in YUSA,

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they take great pride in their brand.

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They don't want to bring a Y into the community,

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just to take it back out.

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So if they're coming, they're knowing that it's a long term investment.

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And please, if there are any questions or anything, stop me as we go.

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I did want to say Councilwoman Peterson and I spoke at the beginning.

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Little did we know, I come from a competitive swimming background, coach, we were together.

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She was just a little, little bit ahead of me on some things, but I was great to catch

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up and talk about that.

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I did want to acknowledge that.

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So what would the YFCA be raising money for?

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or any capital campaign has to really support

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an evidence-based need in solution, not just some concept.

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Everybody just wants a why.

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But what are the components of that why

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that you would really want?

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Key questions for us.

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What programs and services will the why provide?

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And are they needed?

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How does the Southern Pines property fit the long term

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county-wide vision?

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and what measurable community outcomes will result from the investment.

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It's a very intentional thought process.

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Let's talk about the validation first.

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It's one defining, is this why a county-wide-wide or is it a community-wide?

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A county-wide-wide is probably going to have to be a bigger footprint than a community-wide.

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So there's something to think about in terms of the piece of property and I think that shows here at the top

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Southern Pines was a four Southern Pines chef has done a marketing study

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Several years ago with a company. We support called four square

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Research and that was four Southern Pines or what was the reach for that?

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Okay, it's pretty much covers most of the camp. Is that right? Would that be accurate?

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very favorably, by the way, for a potential membership-based facility.

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And the best YMCA model is going to be a membership-based facility.

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In Northmore County, he's going to be farther away than 12 minutes.

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So it's so-is Carpage, so if you are interested in actually knowing the area.

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That's good.

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That's helpful.

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That's not going to cover more counties.

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Helpful.

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So, testing capital feasibility, membership revenue staffing is sustainable, validating

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the property site, can it be built on from an expansion standpoint, validate what the

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community needs may be, what are the demographics, are there underserved groups because the

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Y will protect our underserved because the Y wants to ensure that no one's turned away

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for an inability to pay.

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So as a nonprofit, we have a full robust financial assistance program, most of those generated

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contributed from contributions out of the community, all the money comes from the community.

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And anytime wise really come to communities, Jeff's not going to, he doesn't have this

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treasure chest that he's going to bring in and build a wire.

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Why is your built from within the communities?

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He has an expertise of facilitating a lot of that process, certainly raising money, maybe

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not so much for capital, but there are a lot of funders, especially for underserved communities

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that love Eastern North Carolina so we know we have those relationships for you and then finally what's

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the community support we want to hear from the community we do have a community forum the schedule

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and we're talking about that more in just a second. Now I mentioned that I come from a competitive

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swimming coaching background I coached swimming professionally for 10 years with the Wayne G

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of the triangle in Raleigh. We're pretty good.

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So I have a passion for competitive swimming.

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I'm just, I'm just really worried. I love them.

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Three national championships. That's pretty good.

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We said four kids to the Olympics. That's pretty good.

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Two, one gold. That's pretty good.

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So the one thing I do observe in more county is that aside from health first,

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First, you do not have really a large enough aquatic center in the county.

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Your swim teams, I suspect I don't know this, are struggling to find pool time.

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Your club teams may be doing the same.

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And where you are located, I think there's a new, I haven't seen it, but a new facility in

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HOPE counties, right?

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Does somebody tell me that?

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Okay, I've not seen it.

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I was, I was blessed in Goldsboro.

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Goldsboro had the largest YMCA facility in the state,

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larger than East Carolina, larger than UNC Wilmington,

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indoor 50 meaters, separate 25-yard pool,

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probably one of the largest in the region.

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And it worked for us cause we had a visionary in 1984

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before to put that in, the benefit for us is we were able to host regional competitions,

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which brought in revenue, not only to the Y, but to our local community.

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They stayed in our hotels, they ate at our restaurants, they shopped at our shops.

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So to me, just high level at this phase, that seems to be something that is missing in your

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community.

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There's so much can be done with that.

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it would need to be multi-pools. We would recommend a competitive pool, warm water pool,

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that you could do swim instruction, senior classes, whatever it may be. So just something I would

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probably think would be important. Any questions about that? Okay.

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So we have a community forum scheduled

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for October 13th at the Southern Pines Landon housing trust in their auditorium.

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This is a great opportunity.

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This is really not intended to see if the community is interested in a Y.

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We assume that the answer would be yes.

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If we put that out to the community, I think we get high level of votes.

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But what we want to know are community leaders interested in it.

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Is there potential partnership with the school district?

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Is there potential partnership with the hospital?

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are municipalities behind it.

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So I'm working with Jacksonville right now

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which is renovating a church and building

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a $12 million aquatic center fully funded.

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Through gifts from the different partners within.

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So now they have a place that the first indoor pool ever

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in Oslo County, which is shocking to imagine.

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So we'll be discussing in that group.

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I hope the turnout is high. If 10 people showed up, I think that's going to be a great indication

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of Jeff that we're probably not interested in a white and so the price.

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We challenge you and others in the community to try to get after that. It's a 90 minute session. It'll be facilitated by myself. We won't fix to learn what a YMCA really is. So much more than swimming gym. One thing you may not know that Jeff is doing in Lillington. Jeff feeds 500 families a week with a seven day meal box at a church drive through in Lillington.

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He started that site and they had 37 boxes given away last summer.

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He now does that.

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That's fully reimbursable through a state program called the Summer Food Service program.

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And I would suspect if I pulled up more county statistics, you are accessing less than 10%

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of what's available to more county under summer feeding opportunities.

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So the opportunities here in Southern Pines, whether it certainly could be down by the

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Landon Housing Trust facility, but their pockets around the community, he goes there.

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They don't have to come to him.

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So what an opportunity.

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No cost to you, fully reimbursable from the state for him, but certainly one of the things

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that we look for to partner along with the why.

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So what is the why?

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What are the unmet needs?

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What's great about Southern Pines?

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because he is mostly in Cumberland County.

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He has a white in Harnet County,

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but now let's convince Jeff and his team

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that we think more County's great

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and deserves a while as well.

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And this is why.

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And then what partnerships can be enhanced

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as part of that?

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So this is timeline.

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We want to be very clear on what we want to provide for you

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starting with our session today.

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We've done some initial market and site assessments.

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We've got some stakeholder engagement.

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We've already done.

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I've met with some folks from West Southern Pines.

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Ms. Dot, I think is the key person I've met there.

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She is passionate.

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And Ms. As you was there as well.

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The community forum I have on their October 13th.

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Once we learn from there, we will know kind of where the gaps are.

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I've seen the site. We'll assess the site. It's eight acres is great, but it's probably

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going to have to be thin and hot, especially if you consider something like that aquatic

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center, because you're going to need a lot of parking space there.

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I'm sorry. I hate to interrupt you. We try not to interrupt people when they make their

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presentation. That time for that October 13th meeting is a strange time. Yeah.

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Is morning. Yeah. Why did you schedule it for that? Most of the folks that we

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want to be there are not community members. They are staff. They are county staff,

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city staff, hospital staff, school staff, and they're working during that time.

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And so we see that as part of their job would be to step out and be able to

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have something to do that day.

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I suspect we'd have less turnout if it was optional at night.

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We'd have great community leaders,

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but who can really help put that thought together?

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So when I've done this for other communities,

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it's well represented, but we consider this a,

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it's not a heavy lift, but it's a working session,

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and everybody we would like to be there.

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They're employed to support growth and impact

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in their community.

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That's the target audience.

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We'll come back in late January if you allow us to speak to your next work session to kind of give you an overview of what we've discovered and then Jeff will make that decision by February 9th. That'll be the six-month period as to whether or not we feel like we want to set another six months to explore if it could work or he may choose to release it back that it's just not a viable fit right now.

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Okay, and that's kind of the frame.

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Now, in your packet, now put a couple on the back.

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We've already done a flyer for the community session.

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It's fancy dancing, it's got a QR code.

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All you got to do is scan a QR code, you can register.

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For we won't folks to register,

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we don't just want it to be, we want to know who's there.

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There'll be a combination of working together,

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group, learning, it will not be a sit and get activity.

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We're here to learn and to really think about the impact that a wife at that location or in Southern Pines would make and is that viable for Jeff and his team to pursue.

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So that's in your pack as well.

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I think that may be it.

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Any questions?

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My favorite slide here. You've done this, right?

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Now remember, when you do the C, it's this way.

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It's not this way.

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All right, this is not a C, this is a backwards C.

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All right, I'm full service consultant.

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Any questions for me?

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I had some questions.

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Yes, sir.

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So I numb this, I guess, the meeting, unfortunately,

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when you all came, like last month, I think, to update.

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So I was of the impression all this had already happened,

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based on what we were told, the meeting's

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part of two plus years ago. So no community assessments then done. I remember sitting here hearing

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everything you said, thinking it's long happened. Yeah, but it hasn't. Did you hear that from Jeff

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or from both members just meetings here? Well, there was a four-square assessment that was done. The

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challenge for Jeff is he could not accelerate the project because he was just one person. He just

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he was drowning. And so he finally just put the white flag up. So it's kind of started from scratch right

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right now. Not fully from scratch, but starting more at the beginning, we've done some initial

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assessments, we've had some conversations, we've met with some of the folks from West

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Southern Pine, so I think we're starting to get a good feel. The community forum will

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be a big help to kind of help define some of that, and then we can kind of move from there.

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So I wouldn't say it's from the beginning, but it's early, but a six-month timeline is

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really compact, but that's why we wanted to hold ourselves accountable and show you exactly

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what we're going to be doing.

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And then my other question,

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Mark's maybe turning the carly can fill in.

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So we have a deed on record.

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It's already been recorded with these timelines built in.

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So what legally would we need to do

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should a deadline get extended because there is a,

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it's on record with these deadlines with the registered deeds.

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We're going to have to do a new deed or an amendment to that.

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Well, to put something on record.

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I've got two quick questions, number one, I'm huge favor this, I'm in supported, I think

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it's great.

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I do think we're kind of starting back, not maybe zero, but we're going back a little

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bit.

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And one of the things I just worry about is obviously you're scaling the why to the population

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density.

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And I talked with one of our constituents, and it's a cradle grave operation.

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And we talked about eight acres and realistically the size of the installation or the why would

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be built to support what we believe or what your assessments would believe could be handled

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by our populations.

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That is a true statement because you talked about the 12 mile ring and so that got me thinking

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when Ms. Peterson said, you know, Northmore, it's a 35-minute drive, Carthage is 26, is that

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one of the things that goes into your, I guess, long question short. Is that one of

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the things that goes into this next set of assessments in the six months? Do we have

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the population base? I think there are two pieces. I think there is the size of the property and

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what could fit on it. Right. Secondly, what are the competing entities around that

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property? Are there any fitness centers around it? Is there aquatics around it? Is

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there child care? There's a boys and girls club around it? Is there

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how close is the senior center, so is there cannibalizing potential because the wide would

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have to drive 50, the economic engine for wisest membership. That's how they, that's 50% of

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their budgets. Child care is normally 25%, all the other program is 25%. So, and we have seen

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low cost for profit, like a planet fitness, those type things. They go for volume, if all the

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the people that signed up went, they would be crippled,

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but it's a brilliant strategy, really,

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because it's only $10 a month.

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So if I skip this, I'm not gonna cancel,

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cause it's only $10 a month.

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So it would be more, but we also need to look at the demographic

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of the area, what would be the price point,

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and that was very favorable

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through the four-square report

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that was done for the community.

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So that's not spooking us off, really.

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And so my last question.

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So we think this next six month extension on the timeline,

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that may not be the right term.

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I'm trying to be very positive.

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this next six months will give you those answers yes that because I mean it's it's a

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great facility when they're up and running and serving the community so I

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appreciate your time yeah thank you good questions good questions excited for

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the journey so my first question was going to be well first of all let's talk

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about one thing we can agree on Miss Dot is the key person there you go and I

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quote you on that so but my first question I was gonna ask was gonna be the same

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one that Dr. Gray asked about the time which you've explained. I'm a little bit concerned

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as far as an attempt to have community educated or involved. And my big point is going

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to be that I'm looking at the document signed by the town clerk in 2023, three years ago

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that says by September 30th of 2026, there will be the YMCA of Sandhills will fund and construct

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a minimum 45,000 square foot recreation facility to include at minimum an indoor pool in

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addition to any parking, landscaping and necessary public infrastructure and accordance

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with general plans, which one would have, and architecture to be submitted to the town

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and ultimately approved via the appropriate town permitting authorities that would be

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our planning department.

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Initial site plan and architectural review application will be submitted no later than

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September 30th, 2026, which as you well know is about a month away.

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And I'm assuming that there have not been any architectural proposals.

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I'm not correct on that.

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There have not been any architectural proposals.

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You said you have a lot of potential funders.

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Have any of those people been in that position?

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Well, no, I think most of our fundings are on the program side.

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There's been no capital feasibility dive.

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I think.

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It's been no capital feasibility.

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For me, in most communities, you lead with programming.

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You do not.

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I think what Rick negotiated at a $20 million price tag, which is within indoor pool would be

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very difficult.

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I understand.

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To do here.

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So there's not been any funding raised.

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Correct.

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And there's no architectural proposal made and we don't know what programs would be included

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at this point.

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Yes.

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And you say we need an intentional thought process, we don't have that and we have not validated the proposed side.

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Is that all all those things are true and you've had three years to do that.

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And your comment regarding not doing that is quote, he didn't have time.

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Well, from a time standpoint, I think he's new.

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He inherited the project.

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He had to deal primarily with keeping the organization afloat, and when he closed down

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two facilities, that he was not going to be able to invest the resources into supporting

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a whole nother capital project that had not been vetted at all yet.

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He had to make that decision.

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So who entered this agreement with the town?

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I think Rick, how the prior executive director would have been the person that entered into

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it.

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I was aware of it.

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we were talking about he we were talking about it. I was new into the role probably 2022

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at that point. So we were aware but he was really trying to accelerate it before he retired.

461
00:42:40,030 --> 00:42:43,490
It was big for him to get the land. That was his main thing. I got to get the land. I got to get

462
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:47,870
the land but there was no it was not a good thing. Had it and then literally set on it for three.

463
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:54,330
We don't disagree but because I remember a discussion he told us like I can't fund raise until I get

464
00:42:54,330 --> 00:42:57,630
the dirt, which is why we did that. That's why my question to you earlier,

465
00:42:57,710 --> 00:43:02,110
I was similar to Councilman Peterson, surprised at how little has happened since

466
00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:08,650
these discussions the years ago. We do not disagree on that. And I have a long

467
00:43:08,650 --> 00:43:14,050
history going back in my brain. I started swimming at the Y in Rowling on Hills

468
00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:19,050
Worst Street in fifth grade. So I understand the importance of a Y and I

469
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:27,090
I understand, and again, I will attest to this fact until the cows come home, Miss Dot is the key person.

470
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:33,390
And I know that she's done a lot of driving the train and sparking the re-interest,

471
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:40,230
but to say that I am frustrated and disappointed in the fact that this is the first time

472
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:46,170
you'll have come back to us and said, oh, by the way, to reinforce what Mr. Pate says,

473
00:43:46,830 --> 00:43:51,410
I love the idea of a why, but by the way, we've been setting on this for three years.

474
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:54,690
That's really not a good look.

475
00:43:54,810 --> 00:44:00,110
Well, I came into this later, but what I will say for Jeff is he gave it back.

476
00:44:00,890 --> 00:44:03,910
He said, here's the white flag we're done.

477
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:07,790
And it was outreach from the community to say there's got to be it.

478
00:44:08,110 --> 00:44:09,770
Can we have another swing at it?

479
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:10,070
Right.

480
00:44:10,210 --> 00:44:11,830
So we're just asking for another swing at it.

481
00:44:11,830 --> 00:44:15,250
you may say no, and then they will explore other opportunities throughout

482
00:44:15,250 --> 00:44:20,850
more county to see if there's more interest. If you were given a six-month swing

483
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:26,430
in six months, what would you deliver to us? Exactly what's in there. We will

484
00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:31,150
embedded that basically is whether you want to take on the property or you want to release

485
00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:35,690
the property. And then we will schedule out it's not going to be another six months and you're

486
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:40,730
going to be able to cut the ribbon. It's going to take some time at that point. So at that point,

487
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:46,930
If we know that he's able, we feel like their support, he will have done some preliminary

488
00:44:46,930 --> 00:44:50,210
but not heavy lifting on capital funders at that point.

489
00:44:50,330 --> 00:44:54,850
It's just whether or not the site fits program capacities and gaps are met.

490
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:59,510
Then we lay out what the timeline is to actually start the capital phase.

491
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:26,580
Explore timelines for all the other more detail to actually get you bill. So you're going to assess whether or not a site that we handed over three years ago is even appropriate to move forward with in the next six months. So it's another six month with basically nothing happening except for an assessment about whether or not you would even accept the property to move forward.

492
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:28,420
Would that be accurate?

493
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:37,860
Well, in terms of that site, the goal is to at least start generating some programs

494
00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:43,480
probably in West Southern Pines, so we can establish a presence of Wayne State Programming.

495
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,740
So that is our intent to explore partnership with West Southern Pines.

496
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,900
That'll be some of the discovery items there.

497
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:54,900
Most why start with programming, they don't start with bricks and mortar, you just don't go

498
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:56,440
Tell me what that would entail.

499
00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:57,660
Does that work for me?

500
00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:00,240
Well, one, we have to identify assets that we could do that.

501
00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:06,000
So are there areas in the town that we could access for sports to launch sports?

502
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,560
Are there access to potential spaces to offer after-school care or summer camp?

503
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:19,200
Are there spaces that we could convert into senior classes or some exercise possibility?

504
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:23,380
We have talked with the land and housing trust.

505
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,240
They certainly have all those spaces.

506
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:30,880
So, would that be an opportunity to start to establish a YMCA program center at least

507
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,060
so we have some momentum so that we've already had those initial discussions about it.

508
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,840
So, that is a separate entity than the building itself.

509
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,860
Our focus here was just the extension on the building, but that's the plan right now.

510
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:50,820
Now, should you have to decide not to convey the property or not to accept the property does

511
00:46:50,820 --> 00:46:56,360
does not mean we would not continue to develop a program center out of West Southern Pines.

512
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:01,420
That may be your way and she had presence, maybe West Southern Pines, and a full facility

513
00:47:01,420 --> 00:47:02,840
may move somewhere else.

514
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:09,560
So, at this point, have you entered into agreement with West Southern Pines Land and Housing?

515
00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:09,860
Yes.

516
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,340
There's no agreement.

517
00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:12,080
No agreement.

518
00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:13,280
Discussions?

519
00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:17,820
I would like to apologize for being here late.

520
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:18,320
That's okay.

521
00:47:18,460 --> 00:47:18,840
Thank you very much.

522
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,500
two other events that I started at 2.30 and then jumped between them until I got here.

523
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:23,020
That's okay.

524
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:24,520
Bill, thank you for opening the meeting.

525
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:30,420
So you are asking for a six-month extension in which you will determine if it's viable

526
00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:31,380
to use the land.

527
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:38,440
Viable for a full facility Y, which is what was indicated, I think, in the initial agreement.

528
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:38,760
Okay.

529
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:42,600
I do want to express my appreciation for your revisiting the idea.

530
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:43,100
Sure.

531
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,520
I think Ms. Peterson and Ms. Gray and I were the only ones at the council meeting, and I don't

532
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,240
think you all even came.

533
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:53,620
I think Reagan delivered the news that because when Jeff moved to town and took over several

534
00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:59,420
facilities that were failing, it was overwhelming to try to open a new facility at that same time.

535
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:05,600
Timing doesn't always work out but we think that Southern Pines is a great place for the YMCA to be

536
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,640
and I think it's admirable that you're re-evaluating the potential for that to work.

537
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,460
So you've talked a little bit about what you hope to have in six months is six months enough

538
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:32,080
Yes. Okay. And then if, I mean, I think this has happened with us before that you have there's a very long timeline and sometimes getting those things done in three years is almost unfeasible.

539
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:41,660
But if you have, I'm not sure if that's right word, but having it six month increments, if we have a smaller list to use in the next six month, I think it'd be great to see something happen.

540
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:47,860
see some programming start in West Southern Pines and I think that we've we've

541
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:52,100
seen that the community wants it we've seen that the YMCA is important to

542
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:55,380
people of Southern Pines and if there's something that we can do to help that

543
00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:59,500
happen I hope that you'll let us know. Well the six months I think you've seen is

544
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:03,160
very clear I don't think you had anything like that with you prior three-year

545
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,340
agreement other than we're gonna convey the deed and we're gonna give you the

546
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:16,420
I think that was the that was the plan so now you have now you know what will happen in the six months. I'm pretty good at this.

547
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:23,600
So I hope it's very favorable. What we have discovered is that there's a need for program in this other parts.

548
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:32,700
And we feel like there are some gaps, but as a high level observation, you got a lot of great resources in southern parts.

549
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:38,540
I mean a lot of fitness centers, a lot of child care, a lot of the boys and girls clubs

550
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:39,200
very active.

551
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,060
You've got a lot of tremendous resources.

552
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:47,280
And so how does the Y gonna fit into all that and without nudging everybody else out

553
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,400
of the way, we like to be partners and fill gaps, not bullied through the process.

554
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:57,780
But we will know, but I think our intent is, I would expect that we will have an agreement.

555
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:04,860
But we are in an early dating phase with the land and housing trust.

556
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,580
So from our end, Mac, what do you need us?

557
00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:11,880
Do we need a motion for us to vote on this extension and?

558
00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:12,920
No, ma'am.

559
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:20,920
What I'd like to do is come back to you at the business meeting next month with some options for how we can approach this.

560
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:25,420
As it stands today, if they don't meet the first deadline,

561
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:29,660
the property automatically reverts ownership to us.

562
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,500
But that's not a very clean title on the records.

563
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,960
So, let me come back to you with some options

564
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,060
about what we could do,

565
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,620
and I'll have that ready for you in a memo ahead of time.

566
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,460
Okay, thank you.

567
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:41,340
For our next business meeting.

568
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:45,700
And I don't wanna speak for Jeff in good faith.

569
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:47,080
Maybe it goes back.

570
00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:50,160
We do the vetting, so you don't have to go through

571
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,860
the convey and if it feels favorable, you may then choose to convey it back at that point.

572
00:50:55,140 --> 00:51:01,480
So we're, you know, I think at this point, we realize we've wasted three years of time.

573
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,440
This is, I'm not putting any of this on, Jeff, because I see what he's had to do.

574
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:07,520
But reverse back to the city.

575
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:09,420
You don't make plans for it.

576
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:11,720
Give us six months to come back to you.

577
00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:14,040
If it's a yes, convey it back.

578
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,240
If it's a no, you already have your property back.

579
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,420
And that's one of the options I'll bring you.

580
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,660
And you'll follow up with the YMCA about those options as you present them to us, okay?

581
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:26,400
And a time frame that makes some sense.

582
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,520
Okay, so at this point, there doesn't need to be a motion.

583
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:36,200
It's going to simply revert back to us and they can come in six months and make a pitch.

584
00:51:36,460 --> 00:51:42,920
Is that if we do nothing, the property will revert back to us by operation of law on September 30th.

585
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,000
Okay, so one of the options is do nothing

586
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,820
But other options exist which would be to revise the deed

587
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,850
Take it literally take it back get a deed from them take it back and

588
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,320
Feed it back to them at a future time if if it works out, right?

589
00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:08,360
Let me bring you the options. Okay. I'll send you a memo ahead of time. So you have to think about it. So as to today

590
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:12,160
Nothing needed to do we do nothing today

591
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,440
And if this is, in fact, the dating phase don't ghost us.

592
00:52:18,060 --> 00:52:20,560
Yeah, this, yeah, thank you.

593
00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:21,920
I'm pretty good.

594
00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:25,340
September 8th, it's not far from now, so we'll revisit this.

595
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,940
September 8th, correct?

596
00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:28,480
And we'll keep you updated.

597
00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:30,020
Again, the timelines are pretty clear.

598
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,060
We would hope to see some of you at the community forum.

599
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,540
That's where, and I know that gathering of officials

600
00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:38,100
and I understand all the laws related to that.

601
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,720
But I think that'll give you a good example.

602
00:52:40,060 --> 00:52:41,920
And for the folks in West Southern Heights,

603
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:49,460
it'll be an opportunity there. This is not a West Southern Pines facility. It will probably

604
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:55,160
provide the most impact to West Southern Pines. So it's my hope that they will come through with

605
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,740
their passion and make sure they get folks there. But we would really we certainly want Southern

606
00:52:59,740 --> 00:53:04,960
Pines representatives there and probably some county representatives will need support them all.

607
00:53:05,260 --> 00:53:09,500
But excited about the opportunity and thank you for allowing us to do that. Are you reaching out

608
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:12,360
to the county and state leaders about this event.

609
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:12,920
I'm sorry.

610
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:15,520
Have you reached out to the county and state leaders at this point?

611
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,820
We'll coordinate with Asia and her team.

612
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:23,380
And if you'll notice on the flyer, we identify kind of who,

613
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:25,900
but we're building the list of who we would like to be there.

614
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,100
And who needs to contact them.

615
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:33,140
Funny, Ms. Dots got a lot of them in her phone directly to get to them.

616
00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:36,320
But I think we've given enough time.

617
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,820
I mean, two months is normally good.

618
00:53:38,260 --> 00:53:40,680
I've had very good turnouts with some of these

619
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,520
and other municipalities that I've worked with.

620
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:46,120
And that has inspired local CEO.

621
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,160
He's the one that's got to decide at the end of the day.

622
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,320
And if there's just, the community's not really saying,

623
00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:55,240
yeah, you know, then there be other communities

624
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:55,980
that he'll test out.

625
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:57,880
All right.

626
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:58,320
Thank you for that.

627
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,660
Thank you so much for your time today.

628
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:00,200
That's

629
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:06,440
probably, if you want to take it.

630
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,840
Yes, Bill, thank you again for getting the meeting started for me.

631
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,540
our Planning Department update, Director Greve.

632
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:14,320
Good to see you again.

633
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:15,940
Good to see you again.

634
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:17,440
Good evening members of Council.

635
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:18,760
Thank you for having me.

636
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:21,540
Everybody, I've watched Step Up Here kicks that podium

637
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:22,520
and I just did it too.

638
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:25,320
So we don't know the things that have to be fixed

639
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:25,980
until we're in the building.

640
00:54:26,260 --> 00:54:27,560
I'm not saying it has to be fixed.

641
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,680
I'm just saying I need to watch my big slot hopper feet

642
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,680
and where I push them.

643
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:36,620
I have four items or a quick planning department update.

644
00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:39,660
One of which is to circle back to a discussion

645
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:44,640
Earlier this summer Councilwoman Peterson asked for a discussion regarding the topic of data centers

646
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:50,780
We had that discussion at the work session on June 23rd. We made a brief presentation about the

647
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:58,840
Electricity grid and the requirements for data centers. What we had learned from some research we did at the end of that discussion

648
00:54:59,580 --> 00:55:05,540
Councilman curtain and councilman Pate were not at that work session. So therefore the discussion concluded

649
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:11,020
members of council at that time saying that prior to directing staff to develop in sort

650
00:55:11,020 --> 00:55:13,880
of a data center ordinance, it should be discussed with all council members.

651
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:19,300
So if I may, very briefly, I'll refresh on what was already a pretty brief discussion.

652
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:23,980
Essentially, data centers fall into three categories of size.

653
00:55:24,260 --> 00:55:28,360
There are hyper centers, which are the big whoppers that use up hundreds of megawatts.

654
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,320
And it's just exceptionally unlikely any of those would ever be located within our jurisdiction

655
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:33,940
because of the current grid.

656
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,380
They locate them up by Sharon Harris nuclear facility.

657
00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:39,680
There is a facility that is proposed up there.

658
00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:45,080
They locate them down by Duke's Smith Energy Complex, down by Hamlet.

659
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:48,900
Because again, there are lots of power in those two locations.

660
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,560
We're on a little, I had a map before, but I didn't bother with it.

661
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:54,740
We're on a little loop that comes off the main line.

662
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,620
And so Duke can deliver between 8 to 10 megawatts here.

663
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,320
Routinely are more county economic development folks.

664
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,760
when they respond to inquiries about power demand,

665
00:56:04,020 --> 00:56:07,980
it's common for that type of request for our area.

666
00:56:08,620 --> 00:56:10,300
That would potentially warrant

667
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:13,080
what are the medium size to small size data centers.

668
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,340
And those, the issue there is that we do not currently

669
00:56:16,340 --> 00:56:18,460
have a definition in our UDO for data center.

670
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,080
We would have in our UDO presently enough

671
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,280
that we could probably administratively place it

672
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,160
as sufficiently similar to something else.

673
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,840
But it is better to have a pretty specific definition.

674
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:48,340
It is also not inappropriate to go ahead and also look at other things specific to data centers such as where they're allowed, setbacks, buffering heights, maximum lot coverage, maximum building footprints, site lighting, disclosure of water use during site review.

675
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,560
We don't have any of those things in the UDO. However, we don't see it to be a big emergency.

676
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,200
I wanted to bring it back for full council discussion but I will close my remarks by simply

677
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:02,780
saying staff had a good discussion about this and we concluded that what would seem appropriate

678
00:57:02,780 --> 00:57:07,520
to us based on inquiries based on our knowledge of the UDO would be not to drop everything

679
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:12,040
and work on this but probably to put this on the list for phase 4 of comprehensive plan

680
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,700
implementation and probably come back with some drafts and a brief discussion about it at

681
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:21,120
the beginning of 2027 that way you're not pushing it too far out because at some point we

682
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:25,080
We could get a small request for a small facility or a medium-sized facility.

683
00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:28,760
We'd want to be prepared, but they're not banging down our door at this point either.

684
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,540
So with that, I certainly wanted to bring it back to your discussion, and that's closing

685
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:35,120
a by-remark to them at the top.

686
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,220
So we'll expect a follow-up again in early 2027.

687
00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:43,980
If you would like us to put it on the, bring it to your attention, you know how we at the beginning

688
00:57:43,980 --> 00:57:48,660
of each calendar year, I bring in a recommended list of items to talk about during that phase

689
00:57:48,660 --> 00:57:50,040
of conference of planned implementation.

690
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:57,220
We are all working really hard on the stuff that's at the tail end of Phase 3, things that I'm going to get to actually with the next thing I want to talk about.

691
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,220
That's why I'm saying we don't want to drop everything and allocate resources to work on data centers.

692
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,320
But again, it's worth defining them. It's worth considering them and having them in the UDO for sure.

693
00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:16,480
I mean, I think I don't see any downside to you including it in your face for discussion and when you bring it to us, allowing us to prioritize that along with the other items on your list and at that point.

694
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,000
I mean, unless anyone is adamantly opposed to even being brought up, I just think you

695
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:21,500
include it.

696
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,280
And if language needs be updated, we'll discuss what makes sense.

697
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:35,160
If there was to one of these little mini-guys we discussed going in, we would you foresee

698
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:35,780
that going?

699
00:58:36,180 --> 00:58:37,700
And if you had a crystal ball.

700
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:44,560
Based on our research, many times the smaller facilities are considered enterprise facilities

701
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:50,840
and I serve a hospital campus or they serve a school system or they serve a large employer

702
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:56,580
that needs a small dedicated data center. And like I said, they draw a relatively small

703
00:58:56,580 --> 00:59:01,480
amount of power. We have actually at one point field an inquiry for an IT center that was

704
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,380
going to serve more county schools. It was going to be the pre-application meeting we did

705
00:59:05,380 --> 00:59:11,180
was out at McDeeds Creek Elementary and that contained some equipment that could be defined

706
00:59:11,180 --> 00:59:15,180
as data center, but trust me, it was relatively small compared to Amazon or Google.

707
00:59:15,180 --> 00:59:17,140
That's how it's kind of, you knew where I was going.

708
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:19,180
Yeah, yeah. But the great question.

709
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:25,140
And so, yes, it would, it would those we have no problem regulating as either independent uses,

710
00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:28,060
depending upon the nature of the use, or accessory to another use.

711
00:59:28,220 --> 00:59:29,060
So we've got those covered.

712
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:30,220
Yes, sir. Thank you.

713
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:30,760
Thank you.

714
00:59:32,810 --> 00:59:36,950
So I think we should keep it on the table to talk about.

715
00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:41,170
If it's early 2027, that actually is not very far away, so that's great.

716
00:59:41,170 --> 00:59:59,970
My two in reading the information from central pines that they sent are that you included in the packet my two biggest concerns that I would like considered by the council and hopefully by planning and by the community is notice which I think is often.

717
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,900
An issue with data centers where purchasers are made without a full disclosure of what the purchase, what the purchase land is to be used for. So notice is really important to me and exploration dates, which is under number seven on considerations, process tips for local governments. I don't want a perpetuity nature for approvals. I want an expiration date. And, and I'd be really interested as you guys start to dive into it. In fact, the council decided

718
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:36,100
that you should. I'd be really interested in which one of the examples, the zoning examples

719
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:42,560
that are listed here from Loudoun County, Virginia through Dublin, Ohio, which ones of those

720
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:49,080
you must prefer and why. So I think the wheel has been invented. I also think there's a lot going

721
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:57,360
on I know that in Pennsylvania, there's just an executive order that came down regarding data centers,

722
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:10,040
and it's going to be a fascinating, fast-moving governmental issue, but I would like for us to have noticed, and I would more importantly like your constituents to have noticed.

723
01:01:10,220 --> 01:01:17,580
Those would be my top concerns. I appreciate you revisiting it and taking a look, and it's fun to have the boys back.

724
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:23,920
We were missing Mr. Paid and Mr. Curtin's when we went when I first brought it up so

725
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,600
Great to be a full council today and talk about. Thank you

726
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:35,440
With the council's blessing then we'll plan to bring it back on our list of options for phase four of conference plan

727
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:42,240
Thank you excellent next item is I wanted to mention because since July there's been three

728
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:49,500
bill's pass that you by the North Carolina legislature, which you may have heard about, that have land use related things in them.

729
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,880
I want to do assure you that our office is paying very close attention and give you a brief summary.

730
01:01:56,420 --> 01:02:03,760
House bill 162 eliminated the ability for local governments to have parking minimum requirements, so we will be preparing.

731
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:10,920
We've actually decided as a team to take that work with eliminating out of our UDO all of our parking minimums

732
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:15,640
and wrap it into the project that Keenan is managing regarding parking in general.

733
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,040
So we've been talking about that topic with our parking focus group.

734
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,540
So when that project is ready, that will include the revision,

735
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:27,580
hopefully before January 1st, when that elimination of the ability to parking minimums takes effect.

736
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,980
So we've got that one. We are aware of that one.

737
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:36,260
Senate Bill 257, which also allows up to three years now to appeal administrative decisions,

738
01:02:36,260 --> 01:02:40,380
and they can go straight to Superior Court, that will require some amendment to our text

739
01:02:40,380 --> 01:02:44,280
to make sure that that's clear in there, that you don't have to stop at the Board of Adjustment.

740
01:02:44,420 --> 01:02:46,540
If you choose to, you can go straight to Superior Court.

741
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:51,520
And then the recently passed budget bill, Senate Bill 4545,

742
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,240
contains quite a bit of stuff, some of which is not applicable to us,

743
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,100
because there are two things in there that at first, when you hear about them, they say,

744
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,820
oh my goodness, we need to be aware of that. However, they are only applicable

745
01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:06,100
to counties, to cities over 80,000 in population and counties over a million,

746
01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:07,920
or counties over a million in population.

747
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:13,440
Those two things are in that bill are residential right of use, in other words all residential

748
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,980
land uses have to be allowed in commercial zones and therefore that allows that requires

749
01:03:17,980 --> 01:03:22,440
you to allow multifamily development, apartment complexes in all commercial zones.

750
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,780
That does not apply here, so we're still okay on that.

751
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,340
Obviously that's been a topic of great discussion in South End of Moore County.

752
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:36,640
Also accessory dwelling unit provisions, we are also working on a project regarding accessory

753
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,840
dwelling units. Mason is managing that project. He's got a focus group together and they've come

754
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:46,260
up with a few recommendations that they're working on. However, that provision in the budget bill

755
01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:51,100
also does not apply to us as well. So he's free to continue working with that focus group.

756
01:03:51,540 --> 01:03:54,880
You will see a tax amendment coming with a few things related to that.

757
01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:01,220
The three that do apply to us is that the North Carolina legislature has banned any

758
01:04:01,220 --> 01:04:07,900
Any local requirement for window glazing, we are not allowed to have any, you cannot

759
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:14,660
require that any more of the front of a building to be more than 35% windows.

760
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:20,080
Right now we have some zones such as our downtown zone where we do require more than 35%

761
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,560
of the building to be windows, that's to promote transparency and walkability and character

762
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,300
for window shopping and we have to remove that.

763
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:34,080
So we can only be now to 35% one of our zones requires that it be no less than 70% between a height of two feet and 10 feet

764
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,720
So we have to get rid of that

765
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:42,060
We also have to change vested rights from two years to five years in our UDO. We'll take care of that

766
01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:47,280
And also one of the more challenging ones right now that around the state is dealing with

767
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:52,460
There is a requirement that local jurisdictions for development approval process

768
01:04:52,940 --> 01:04:56,980
Generate what is called a fee estimate for the projects the fee estimate

769
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:01,040
is an estimate of all applicable fees for the project.

770
01:05:01,820 --> 01:05:05,460
What we're trying to figure out, I'll be brief about this, is, what is the project?

771
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,760
If the project is from the very beginning to the very end all the way from,

772
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:14,720
you might say, from rezoning to site plan review and architectural compliance

773
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,000
through to site plan review, I think I already said site plan,

774
01:05:19,340 --> 01:05:23,580
through to building permit and then engineering inspections

775
01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:28,500
and building permit inspections for the entire project.

776
01:05:28,580 --> 01:05:33,460
That's going to be exceptionally difficult to generate that fee estimate all the way up when they're talking about rezoning the property.

777
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,840
So if that's project, so we're going to work on figuring that out.

778
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:42,680
But I wanted to most important thing is we're aware of what's referred to as the fee transparency requirements.

779
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,660
And we're going to work on it. We're going to make sure we're compliant.

780
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:49,960
We already have all of our fees very clearly outlined. They're adopted. They're posted online.

781
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,960
So that's one of the big requirements that you have your fees posted.

782
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,760
We've already got that taken care of but the fee estimate is something we're going to figure

783
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:55,980
out.

784
01:05:56,580 --> 01:05:57,680
Any questions about those?

785
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:57,900
Right.

786
01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:01,640
It sort of sounds like you're going into crystal ball to know which way the project is going.

787
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,560
So is that something we should put into the budget for next year crystal ball?

788
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:06,340
Yeah.

789
01:06:08,260 --> 01:06:14,300
I think there's nothing in there that my professional opinion is everything in there is

790
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:19,340
good government, you know just requiring that the government be transparent about fees

791
01:06:19,340 --> 01:06:26,920
because I, as a professional planner for many years, have heard horror stories about jurisdictions where, you know, fees aren't well documented.

792
01:06:27,340 --> 01:06:31,840
They're not, you don't know what they, they come to you with fee, all of a sudden nobody wants that. That's not good government.

793
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:39,620
On the flip side, trying to figure out exactly if it's, if it's the project means additional zoning district all the way through construction.

794
01:06:40,260 --> 01:06:48,300
That's going to be very difficult to, to give a fee estimate, and then the requirements stipulates that if anything changes that fee estimate, you have to continue to revise that fee estimate.

795
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:58,220
So, we're going to need somebody to pay pretty close attention to small adjustments in the scope of the project that might amend those fees later down the road and make sure to keep adjusting their fee estimate.

796
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:04,260
Like everything, we'll model through, we'll do the best we can with the best of intentions to comply and be as good as we can.

797
01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:10,380
And around the state, we'll gradually figure out as a state how to make it work.

798
01:07:10,380 --> 01:07:17,120
And so, again, overall, I think, as I read it, I think, I could see why this is useful and

799
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,540
creates transparency.

800
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:24,440
So entire project has not been identified or a definition has not been offered by the

801
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:25,700
mandated participation?

802
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:32,500
The bill that created the language does not stipulate very clearly enough for us as administrators

803
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:35,920
to make it immediately obvious what project is.

804
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:41,640
If the project is the conditional zoning district for which an applicant is applying,

805
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:43,120
oh, that's fairly straightforward.

806
01:07:43,660 --> 01:07:47,240
If the project is their building permit and now they're building, that's the project.

807
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,600
But one could also reasonably argue that the project is not just a conditional zoning district.

808
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,320
The project is to build something that first requires conditional zoning plus all these other things.

809
01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:58,180
We'll work on that.

810
01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:59,780
I'll go ahead.

811
01:08:00,260 --> 01:08:02,500
I was going to change gears on, so if you're going to continue.

812
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:08,340
I know I was going to ask to speak to me like I'm a fifth grader and explain to me what you mean when you say

813
01:08:08,340 --> 01:08:13,980
Two years to five years on vested rights. Give me give me an example. So right now

814
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:18,340
The there is a stipulation in the UDO that when you

815
01:08:19,060 --> 01:08:25,660
Your statutory vested rights. There are multiple types of vested rights your statutory vested rights for certain types of

816
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:26,760
projects

817
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:33,440
projects are when you submit a project and you have a common plan of development and

818
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,720
you stipulate how long it's going to take, you can have it seven years.

819
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:42,840
If you don't submit that common plan of development with phasing, et cetera, you're automatically

820
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,740
granted two years within which if the rules change, as your statutory vested right, within

821
01:08:47,740 --> 01:08:52,300
which if the rules change, while you're working on your project, you don't have to abide

822
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:52,720
by those.

823
01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:53,700
You also have permit choice.

824
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:55,500
So you can choose the new rules or the old rules.

825
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,980
And so, however, the statutory vested rights provision

826
01:09:01,980 --> 01:09:04,200
is changing, so those will be locked in for five years

827
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:05,000
instead of two years.

828
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:05,680
OK, thank you.

829
01:09:06,020 --> 01:09:06,380
Yes, ma'am.

830
01:09:06,780 --> 01:09:07,460
Well, I'm good at questions.

831
01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:09,900
Yeah, my question will change gears on you, sir.

832
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:11,520
But they're pretty easy, I think.

833
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:12,520
They're like meatballs.

834
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,620
The first one, I'll take me back to the windows.

835
01:09:16,220 --> 01:09:18,440
OK, so when we talked about the windows,

836
01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:21,560
you brought up downtown, and 70% by 30,

837
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:28,380
is there a grandfather clause in there that protects the town because you know

838
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:31,980
you walk downtown you we enjoy the big windows that are open I get to look

839
01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:35,600
into the stores is your grandfather the clause that allows us to maintain

840
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:40,620
that not to my knowledge for this provision for new projects moving forward

841
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:46,980
if it's new projects just require more than 35% on new projects okay oh yeah

842
01:09:46,980 --> 01:09:50,940
so nobody has to go back and retrofit their storefronts right no and that's

843
01:09:50,940 --> 01:09:52,640
I don't really know what I was getting at, but historic district.

844
01:09:52,820 --> 01:09:54,920
So we just, yeah, we were in the historic district,

845
01:09:55,180 --> 01:09:58,340
so take the place on higher one that just burned, right?

846
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,500
Down, down, down, yeah, done roving.

847
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:06,500
Something like that happens, God forbid, in, you know,

848
01:10:07,140 --> 01:10:09,240
in our historic district or anywhere for that matter.

849
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:11,220
To be clear, in the local historic district,

850
01:10:11,220 --> 01:10:13,260
this is not applicable in the local historic district.

851
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:15,620
They can still have their own roles, their own.

852
01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:19,320
But our local historic district, remember, is only a small rectangle.

853
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:24,200
Well, it is not the same as the national register district and it is not the same as our central business zoning district

854
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,980
We do require 70% and this is just a bummer for for me

855
01:10:27,980 --> 01:10:34,000
I'll I'll add because really what we're trying to we're trying to create with our central business is that corridor

856
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,420
heading down broad

857
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:41,520
Towards Pinedine and we've been talking about now creating a second destination with Pinedine and our first destination

858
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:47,080
Ishes downtown in the corridor between them being a walkable corridor. Man, I tell you what you can buy a brick wall

859
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,320
It's just you kind of, you know, you're looking to the next store already.

860
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,260
So that leads to my question, so if I can ask, I'm done with that.

861
01:10:54,460 --> 01:10:54,740
Thank you.

862
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:00,320
So you asked the question on the historic, which doesn't apply, which is great.

863
01:11:01,020 --> 01:11:05,100
But when it comes to character districts, we can't require more than 35%, but do you

864
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:10,020
foresee some way that we can change, you know, lower our requirement, but because we have

865
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:14,820
a design guide and binding that we can still encourage people to build something that looks

866
01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:17,280
looks like it fits in or has more glazing.

867
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:22,520
If rezoning is required, and if it's conditional zoning, absolutely yes.

868
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:28,420
If a rezoning is not required, say for example, the existing general business zoning, it

869
01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:32,740
is a by-right use for the general business, then their windows would be, now if it's general

870
01:11:32,740 --> 01:11:39,920
business, the window percentage in our UDO was already 25%, so it actually won't be a change.

871
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:44,060
It's mostly in our central business district where it's going to feel the impact, but if

872
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:47,460
They have to rezone, and if they're rezone with conditional zoning, and this is why I'll

873
01:11:47,460 --> 01:11:53,440
put in a plug for the premise of when we come in and a development says, hey, listen,

874
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:56,700
I can give you this, that, and the other thing on the ground floor, make it look really,

875
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:57,160
really nice.

876
01:11:57,340 --> 01:12:00,660
In order to pay for all that, I'm going to need one, two, or three more stories, and I might

877
01:12:00,660 --> 01:12:05,440
need a use that you don't love tucked into the back, but we'll make it look nice, we'll

878
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:06,580
make it function really well.

879
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,260
That's how we go through conditional zoning, and we do wind up getting the character we want.

880
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:11,880
So I'm just putting in a plug for that.

881
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,160
Sometimes we come in and we say, hey, they're going to need to do some multifamily, they're

882
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,420
going to need to do an extra story, they're going to need to do this to help pay for all

883
01:12:18,420 --> 01:12:22,740
this really great design. That's part of that equation. That's good. Thank you for that question.

884
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:29,700
I just didn't want to walk by the brick wall, you had a picture in my mind.

885
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:39,560
It is a real thing. Some of you know, I love my job, so I go and many times when I'm out at lunch,

886
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,220
I will observe how people are interacting with our downtown.

887
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:45,960
Just, if they come to a corner, why did they choose to go this way versus this way?

888
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:49,640
Just watch people, and it is a real thing.

889
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,140
It is a real thing that the character of the street and how people feel at any given moment

890
01:12:54,140 --> 01:12:58,040
will drive them going across street, walking another block, spending more money over there,

891
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:59,920
things like that, so it's a critical thing.

892
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,300
Thank you for your understanding of that and patience with our level of detail on those things.

893
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:13,700
Third of four issues is that you may recall while back the council was on the topic of the

894
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:19,360
Pinerst avenue and the Murray Hill Road corridor is in the possibility of turning those

895
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,560
over to the North Carolina Department of Transportation.

896
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:26,720
Our esteemed colleagues in the engineering department have done the work of getting a survey done

897
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:31,340
for any signs that may be located within that right-of-way that NC DOT was concerned about

898
01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:35,040
dealing with as encroachments within that right away before they'll accept it.

899
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,040
Their team went out, got the survey done, went out and visited everything,

900
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:43,520
and then came to us because they're really good at certain tasks. We're really good at certain

901
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,280
tasks and we work together because we said, you know what, we could really want to help you with

902
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,140
the outreach and the change management. We don't want to just send a letter to a land or saying

903
01:13:51,140 --> 01:13:55,800
your sign's in the right way, move it. So we wanted to do, we want, and this project is going to take

904
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,740
a little while, but we think it's important to make sure that we work very closely. It turns out

905
01:13:59,740 --> 01:14:04,600
their only 17 signs within the right way they need to be dealt with. I thought there would be far

906
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,420
more than that so I'm really, really happy about that relatively small number but that really means

907
01:14:08,420 --> 01:14:12,760
we can work with those. Whoever is responsible for that sign, we can go out and work with them very

908
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:18,600
closely and it will be a slow process. We will first let them know about it. We will then, you know,

909
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,900
we will very, very slowly on this and work with them in every possible way we can. So just want to

910
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:27,960
put it on your radar because as we begin that process, we're going to work closely with everybody to keep

911
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:32,860
everybody in the loop. And so we'll just treat it very much as a change management type of project,

912
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:38,240
engage with the emotional side of it. Okay, finally, I wanted to give you an update on September

913
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:44,000
8th, 2026 town council meeting and the items that will be on the agenda from planning. We will

914
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:50,740
write a staff report for the annexation of the property that you saw the conditional, the conceptual

915
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:55,700
development permit, the rezoning for the church that is located in the intersection of Weiner Road in

916
01:14:55,700 --> 01:14:59,840
22 they're annexing that property similarly that same property is coming in for their PDP

917
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,480
Which is the second step of the process and plan development. And for a major subdivision preliminary

918
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:09,660
plan for the residential lots, you remember we're on the back. That's coming in for the PDP.

919
01:15:09,940 --> 01:15:15,440
That will be an evidentiary hearing to render a quasi-judicial decision. We will also have

920
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:20,800
a package of text amendments, the cover of a variety of topics. None of them, to the best of

921
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,960
my knowledge at this time, are particular controversial. They're mostly just fix it, type things

922
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,320
in the UDO that we've identified over time.

923
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,960
It mostly, the primary one is making some revisions

924
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,860
to our technical review committee processes.

925
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,400
I'll let that, it's just a series of text amendments

926
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,000
we can talk about it at the meeting.

927
01:15:37,540 --> 01:15:39,160
And finally, a bed and breakfast,

928
01:15:39,420 --> 01:15:41,780
conditional zoning district for the Skyline Manor,

929
01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:45,120
bed and breakfast out off of U.S. 1,

930
01:15:45,500 --> 01:15:50,240
near the Statuary, I can't remember the gentleman's name,

931
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:52,140
who owns the Statuary out there.

932
01:15:52,140 --> 01:15:59,600
There you go. Next to Corey Longstreet's property out there where he sells very cool statues.

933
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:05,860
Concrete statues, small statues. Any questions for planning before I sit down? An injured

934
01:16:05,860 --> 01:16:10,720
pain? No, no. Thank you. Okay,

935
01:16:14,770 --> 01:16:18,490
the last item before our round table is our code of ethics.

936
01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:23,930
You'll notice that my staff provided printed copy of Southern Pines code of ethics to each

937
01:16:23,930 --> 01:16:28,190
of our council members. This is in our drop box. It's something that I know we have reviewed

938
01:16:28,190 --> 01:16:34,770
in the past and I'm sure it's something that as we are elected, probably our attorney

939
01:16:34,770 --> 01:16:38,730
or town manager brings to our attention at that time.

940
01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:42,810
I have also looked at the recommendation

941
01:16:42,810 --> 01:16:47,690
of council and Peterson at the Pinehurst Code of Ethics and have forwarded that to our

942
01:16:47,690 --> 01:16:52,430
town manager and to our town attorney and I think that there are some pieces of it that

943
01:16:52,430 --> 01:16:59,060
I do appreciate as we look at reviewing ours, Ray, all right, in the back.

944
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:06,700
We will work through updating our code of ethics and I understand that some of the ethics

945
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:12,240
in our current, some of our current code of ethics, you feel like borders on the line

946
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,760
of what is more civil behavior or request.

947
01:17:17,740 --> 01:17:19,420
I actually do enjoy that part of it.

948
01:17:19,420 --> 01:17:27,480
I think it is really important for politicians even today, as we see the change in movement

949
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:34,200
away from civility at many levels, whether it be national, state, or local, moving away

950
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:41,940
from just the level of respect that I would expect from people elected, I mean, putting

951
01:17:41,940 --> 01:17:44,240
the civility back into civil work.

952
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:49,140
I will draw your attention to under the,

953
01:17:49,460 --> 01:17:51,260
gosh, he's probably should be labeled at some point.

954
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,180
Under the fourth section, the council members should perform

955
01:17:54,180 --> 01:17:55,900
the duties of the office diligently.

956
01:17:57,340 --> 01:18:01,280
Section B, items two and three, council members should demand

957
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,500
and contribute to the maintenance of order and decorum

958
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:05,200
and proceedings before the Southern Pines Council.

959
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,680
And council members should be honest, patient, dignified, and courteous

960
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,300
to those whom they deal with in their official capacity.

961
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:17,680
and should require similar conduct of their staff and other subject to their direction.

962
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,620
Something that the Pinehurst Code of Ethics has that we do not is a whole section on

963
01:18:24,620 --> 01:18:25,920
enforcement and accountability.

964
01:18:27,380 --> 01:18:36,640
As I have received comments from people, residents of our town, I have thought through what

965
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:42,320
that policy for us should look like, and I believe that, as a first step, a discussion one

966
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:49,380
on one or with our town attorney about those complaints to the person and then the second

967
01:18:49,380 --> 01:18:54,340
time it occurs should happen at a council meeting and so this is my formal request Ms.

968
01:18:54,420 --> 01:18:59,420
Peterson for you to be to be more thoughtful about how you talked to applicants and other

969
01:18:59,420 --> 01:19:06,760
councilmanvers and the public in our meetings and between meetings and during breaks of our

970
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:12,580
meetings, knowing that you speak from a position as elected official, we are all trying to

971
01:19:12,580 --> 01:19:20,920
represent our citizens in the best way possible. And I think that doing so with the highest

972
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:30,140
level of respect towards each other encourages our citizens to feel comfortable that we are

973
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:37,240
Just their faith in us that we are doing our job to represent them in the best light possible.

974
01:19:38,420 --> 01:19:39,300
Does that make sense?

975
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:47,140
I'm asking you directly.

976
01:19:51,580 --> 01:19:54,960
I'm very interested in having civility within the council.

977
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:56,640
That's. Thank you.

978
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:05,300
As a third step, we will move to what our code of ethics outlines is a censure proceeding and should that happen.

979
01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:08,720
and we will discuss it in a council meeting as needed.

980
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:10,380
Hopefully we do not get there.

981
01:20:10,980 --> 01:20:12,580
Are there any other questions on the code of ethics

982
01:20:12,580 --> 01:20:14,560
that we currently have or recommendations

983
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:15,400
for its change?

984
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:21,640
If that happens, we can be welcome to send me an email

985
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,600
or Mac will start a first draft and we'll work through it

986
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:25,980
making sure that our code of ethics,

987
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,840
as it changes, reflects what we all would like it to say.

988
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:32,590
Okay.

989
01:20:33,210 --> 01:20:34,550
So, yes, sir.

990
01:20:35,550 --> 01:20:42,490
What do you ask me in the first, like review this, take a look at it, and if we take

991
01:20:42,490 --> 01:20:48,770
something to change, send everyone a message, but email, and here I want section 4, Delta

992
01:20:48,770 --> 01:20:49,450
change whatever.

993
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:50,710
Nine of it's fine.

994
01:20:50,930 --> 01:20:51,690
Just send you a message.

995
01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:57,170
So I think if there is, you can read through this if there's things that you definitely

996
01:20:57,170 --> 01:20:58,750
don't like, I actually think it's lovely.

997
01:20:59,070 --> 01:20:59,910
I think the whole thing is great.

998
01:21:00,730 --> 01:21:02,130
Our town is where he doesn't love it.

999
01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:08,510
And that's I understand why, but the one the the code of ethics and

1000
01:21:08,510 --> 01:21:11,930
finders I will share it with you as well. And if you want to look through it, and

1001
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:15,570
if there are pieces of it that you like, you're welcome to let us know.

1002
01:21:15,930 --> 01:21:18,430
Otherwise, Mack will just put together a draft and we'll work from there.

1003
01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:21,830
Oh, thank you. Are there other questions?

1004
01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:27,550
Thank you. Okay. Seeing none, we'll move on to our council round table.

1005
01:21:28,510 --> 01:21:30,590
I feel like I always start left and so I'm going to start right.

1006
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:37,710
Alright Bob I will say before even start thank you for attending the St. Hill's Metropolitan

1007
01:21:37,710 --> 01:21:40,430
Planning Organization meeting for me last Wednesday.

1008
01:21:42,370 --> 01:21:43,670
It was my pleasure.

1009
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:45,470
It's always exciting isn't it?

1010
01:21:45,530 --> 01:21:46,150
It was very exciting.

1011
01:21:46,710 --> 01:21:52,190
I'm glad you asked me on a day that was not hair on fire type day.

1012
01:21:54,010 --> 01:21:56,570
Well I don't have much hair so I did nervous, you know what I'm saying?

1013
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:57,910
I'm sorry.

1014
01:21:57,910 --> 01:22:02,310
Yeah, it's okay. I feel like I've been home getting picked on by my wife. It's all good.

1015
01:22:03,130 --> 01:22:06,030
Well, it's back to school. So if you're not getting picked on at school, that's a good sign.

1016
01:22:06,490 --> 01:22:11,090
True statement. Yeah. No, I think from from my round table, I'm going to have to look at this.

1017
01:22:11,410 --> 01:22:16,330
I know I brought this up a while back just because I needed to know how, you know,

1018
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:21,250
what and I do appreciate the way that most people here, not most, everyone on this council,

1019
01:22:22,150 --> 01:22:26,570
especially as the guys have been here almost a year, kind of got me on board, made sure I was doing

1020
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:30,190
the right thing, saying the right things. I think it's important. So for my

1021
01:22:30,190 --> 01:22:35,490
round table, I really all had today was very quick. Just, I'm really grateful

1022
01:22:35,490 --> 01:22:39,770
to each and all of you. And as I look forward, there's a lot of work to be done.

1023
01:22:40,290 --> 01:22:45,970
And I think we should all send Reagan an email saying enjoy these last 10, 12 days

1024
01:22:45,970 --> 01:22:51,110
on vacation because it's going to be crazy only until December. He may not come

1025
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:55,390
back. He may not come back and we're on trouble. And then Jess, it's all you.

1026
01:22:55,390 --> 01:22:56,370
Thank you. Which is fine.

1027
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:58,890
That's my favorite comment. Yeah.

1028
01:22:59,530 --> 01:23:00,670
I've been sick about that.

1029
01:23:01,210 --> 01:23:03,410
No. One thing I did have, ma'am,

1030
01:23:03,450 --> 01:23:04,270
this is the serious business.

1031
01:23:04,970 --> 01:23:09,390
So we rescinded the district,

1032
01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:12,230
the social district order.

1033
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:16,850
And I don't know if this is possible.

1034
01:23:17,070 --> 01:23:18,610
In the future, is there some way that we?

1035
01:23:20,570 --> 01:23:22,810
I think that is it's my interpretation that the state

1036
01:23:22,810 --> 01:23:27,590
didn't do that due diligence in Red's corner in the first place by, and I asked the question,

1037
01:23:28,430 --> 01:23:33,110
why did they, and I wanted to go back and I asked the question, why are they asking for

1038
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:37,550
a social district with two separate liquor licenses, you know, in essence?

1039
01:23:39,630 --> 01:23:41,110
We all granted it,

1040
01:23:41,190 --> 01:23:45,230
you know, he said yes and now they come back after he brings it to them and they say, hey,

1041
01:23:45,330 --> 01:23:51,810
you don't need that. And that was my question that evening. And I don't know if we can ever

1042
01:23:52,810 --> 01:23:55,330
get ahead of something like that but it just seemed like because we spent in

1043
01:23:55,330 --> 01:24:00,310
order not a time that evening and we really, you know, we dug in date, all of

1044
01:24:00,310 --> 01:24:04,590
us to make sure we're doing the right thing on behalf of, you know, the

1045
01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:10,210
business owner and all of our, you know, town folks that go there. So I'm glad

1046
01:24:10,210 --> 01:24:13,790
it worked out the way it did for all those involved but it's just something like

1047
01:24:13,790 --> 01:24:20,310
that is something I think that in the future we probably need to figure out how

1048
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:24,410
I mean, we all knew the answer was he didn't need to let the license or he didn't need

1049
01:24:24,410 --> 01:24:28,670
to turn into a social district, but for some reason he was getting stonewalled and I

1050
01:24:28,670 --> 01:24:32,910
think he felt like this was the right, and it was the right way to go about it.

1051
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:38,090
It just kind of frustrated me a little bit, and I know it was nobody here that caused that

1052
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:42,210
consternation on the business owner or the town, but I don't know, Mac, maybe I guess my

1053
01:24:42,210 --> 01:24:48,490
question is really to use, is there not a way that before that comes to us and our staff

1054
01:24:48,490 --> 01:24:54,150
puts tons of at-man hours into it that is they're not or is this just I'm just it's

1055
01:24:54,150 --> 01:24:56,510
one of those things I'm asking pie in the sky type of stuff.

1056
01:24:58,110 --> 01:25:03,690
My opinion is that what happened is that the ABC folks read their rule very literally

1057
01:25:04,170 --> 01:25:10,290
and instead of applying a little bit more common sense to it, a man pushed him into a difficult

1058
01:25:10,290 --> 01:25:15,030
position where they wouldn't wouldn't give him a permit without having the social district

1059
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:19,190
and that after thinking about it they finally decided that maybe they're

1060
01:25:19,190 --> 01:25:23,310
ruled out a little bit more wiggle room in it. Okay, Mr. Berkschrin, does that

1061
01:25:23,310 --> 01:25:28,110
your understanding? Yeah, thanks for inviting me to speak. I've been grateful

1062
01:25:28,110 --> 01:25:31,050
that everybody expanded over to me. I can't get you to please come and

1063
01:25:31,050 --> 01:25:37,560
podium. Sure. I didn't mean to put him on the spot, but it was on my...

1064
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,460
I was on my note. You don't have to turn anything on or anything.

1065
01:25:40,460 --> 01:25:42,660
I think it's already on.

1066
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:43,720
Yeah, the greens on.

1067
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,380
It was a necessary evil.

1068
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,460
Ultimately, it was a square peg and a round hole.

1069
01:25:51,060 --> 01:25:52,780
And I think they finally realized it.

1070
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,400
It was a couple of new faces in the room when I brought it up there.

1071
01:25:56,260 --> 01:25:58,560
And a couple of senior people went into the back room and said,

1072
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,040
look, if you can demonstrate that these properties are contiguous,

1073
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,140
then we're going to take away one license.

1074
01:26:03,140 --> 01:26:04,820
We're going to grant you across the whole thing.

1075
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:06,380
I was not expecting it.

1076
01:26:06,380 --> 01:26:08,660
So I think through this whole exercise,

1077
01:26:08,660 --> 01:26:13,920
we actually got the result that we desired it was not my bingo card so I'm

1078
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:17,880
just grateful that we all did it it's such a unique circumstance that you know

1079
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:22,120
from my perspective a social district is a completely different animal if

1080
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:27,780
you ever consider it next time yes sir thank you thank you thank you I think in

1081
01:26:27,780 --> 01:26:32,420
in line with that what we can learn from it is the comments and

1082
01:26:32,420 --> 01:26:36,680
application of our own rules and regulations I mean I think that we've seen that

1083
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,780
from the state level, it would have never come to us.

1084
01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:43,190
All right, Ms. Green, Dr. Green.

1085
01:26:44,410 --> 01:26:47,030
I get this correct myself until one day just comes down.

1086
01:26:47,210 --> 01:26:48,770
Oh, it's all right, it's all right.

1087
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:58,310
In convening to a presentation brought to us earlier by Bruce,

1088
01:26:58,410 --> 01:26:59,970
I forgot, I forgot your last names.

1089
01:27:00,110 --> 01:27:00,990
I'm just going to call you Bruce.

1090
01:27:01,170 --> 01:27:01,670
You're so...

1091
01:27:01,670 --> 01:27:02,730
First name, much better.

1092
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:10,550
other than West Southern Pies and yeah we're very passionate there and and I do hope that this

1093
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:19,410
meeting on the 13th that you get a good list of people to to for that to unfortunately I don't

1094
01:27:19,410 --> 01:27:30,030
know names and but I'll try to to scout for you on that um secondly um by the month maybe it's two

1095
01:27:30,030 --> 01:27:35,170
months ago the police department brought to us a presentation revolving

1096
01:27:35,170 --> 01:27:41,670
flock cameras and I was kind of unfamiliar with it and I was I was grateful for

1097
01:27:41,670 --> 01:27:49,070
Councilwoman Peterson's input and people that she had an opportunity to speak

1098
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:55,650
with I guess and research that she had done but subsequent to all of that and

1099
01:27:55,650 --> 01:27:59,530
And council knows we're a closed council.

1100
01:28:00,370 --> 01:28:04,610
We are definitely non-partisan, but we are pro-friendly.

1101
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:11,330
And I'm so grateful for our mayor, for everybody on the council, for their love.

1102
01:28:12,450 --> 01:28:16,030
And Bob, I'd hear from you, but I know you were thinking about me.

1103
01:28:16,710 --> 01:28:25,250
Bill Taylor, I lost a student of mine two weeks ago.

1104
01:28:26,130 --> 01:28:29,990
in the triple homicide that happened in Pine Bluff.

1105
01:28:31,130 --> 01:28:33,210
And if it were not for the flock campers,

1106
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:38,010
they would have never caught the person that murdered her,

1107
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:40,630
her grandmother, and her grandfather.

1108
01:28:41,630 --> 01:28:48,010
So sometimes, I guess, as a position of the council,

1109
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:52,370
we're elected officials and we represent everybody

1110
01:28:52,370 --> 01:29:09,950
And we need to come to the table really having a broad perspective that definitely cares and listens to the constituencies that we may be closely connected to, but we got to really look at the broad, like I said, the broad perspective.

1111
01:29:10,750 --> 01:29:15,630
We have a fantastic town staff and our police department is second to none.

1112
01:29:15,630 --> 01:29:22,450
So, when they brought that before us, we didn't really know everything there was to know

1113
01:29:22,450 --> 01:29:28,070
about flock hammers, but thank God we passed it, that we don't live in Pinebluff.

1114
01:29:28,290 --> 01:29:37,050
That incident happened there, but certainly that incident happening shed a lot of light

1115
01:29:37,050 --> 01:29:40,070
on the necessity of that particular tool.

1116
01:29:41,150 --> 01:29:48,790
I'm so glad that they had it there and that that person was caught, so, you know,

1117
01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:56,690
shouldn't it ever happen? I mean a triple homicide, but again, justice will be

1118
01:29:56,690 --> 01:29:59,030
done, so that's not common.

1119
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,960
Thank you. Thank you for bringing that up. I do want to mention in that same event a former Southern Pines employee was one of the other people who was who died. I don't even know the right way to say it. The nicest way to say it. It was awful. But I'm glad that you mentioned it. Thank you. And I want to thank the mayor also for coming to the memorial service for them. Thank you, Taylor.

1120
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:38,400
So yeah, I will I'll quickly jump on since it that's a good transition the county. Thank you for their

1121
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:43,860
additional meeting on the flat cameras. I appreciate that that Chief Polaroid came and spoke

1122
01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:49,880
to us, but he also attended the county meeting and followed up with me afterwards. Nedra our

1123
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:57,060
IT director was also there and we have spoken since. Thank you to everyone who was here for the

1124
01:30:57,060 --> 01:31:06,180
open house on the 13th. It was such an amazing evening. Just full of positivity from the staff

1125
01:31:06,180 --> 01:31:11,600
who was here to the people who were visiting. It was a very warm open house and I appreciate

1126
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:12,600
everyone's involvement.

1127
01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:22,620
AT&T was here today. I was at the airport with them just prior to the meeting

1128
01:31:22,620 --> 01:31:27,520
which is part of why I was late. There was also a ribbon cutting for an extension of St. Joseph

1129
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:33,100
of the Pine's higher care facility, but AT&T made the effort of coming in meeting with

1130
01:31:33,100 --> 01:31:40,360
Nedra this afternoon, and I think that we're working through, she identified some areas

1131
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:45,440
of concern that staff is having issues. And so it's really easy when they are on routes,

1132
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:51,120
and they need to report when something happens that she was actually able to pinpoint specific

1133
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:55,700
areas. And so AT&T is going to work directly with her on getting some of those, just making

1134
01:31:55,700 --> 01:32:01,140
sure that they're working, especially the lift station areas, so I'm going to get this

1135
01:32:01,140 --> 01:32:05,660
wrong. I should just ask her to come and speak, but making sure that those are communicating

1136
01:32:05,660 --> 01:32:11,220
with the town so that if something goes wrong, we are getting immediate notice. I also got

1137
01:32:11,220 --> 01:32:19,340
a call on my way here and I always want to share praise when I get it. The phone call I got

1138
01:32:19,340 --> 01:32:24,020
as I was driving to this council meeting was someone calling public works and talk to Archie

1139
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:28,600
about their water and they said it wasn't arty who came out and they're not sure who it was,

1140
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,960
but they had such a great experience that their water is flowing. It was the pies were cleaned out

1141
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:38,180
and they just really appreciate the responsiveness. So I wanted to make sure that I'm seeing

1142
01:32:38,180 --> 01:32:46,000
prices when I'm able. I think that's all I have. Bill? I don't have anything much other than

1143
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:51,520
one of the echo mayor's comments about those that came to the open house. I've heard several comments

1144
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:55,000
from people since and it was very well received and everybody's excited for

1145
01:32:55,780 --> 01:33:01,040
Southern Ponds and it is a reminder to me that we'll need to now enter some due diligence

1146
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:06,300
with the two facilities that have become empty with a consolidation but that'll be on our

1147
01:33:06,300 --> 01:33:12,280
agenda in the near future but just the positive of everything and being having so many people here

1148
01:33:12,780 --> 01:33:19,160
which is great and then just with school starting tomorrow everybody be safe and patients with our

1149
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,460
traffic and officers because it's that first day is always an adventure, but that's it.

1150
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:30,920
Thank you and I have nothing to add. All right. All right. If there's nothing else I

1151
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:36,900
will hear a motion to adjourn. To move. Second. All those in favour? Aye. Any opposed?

1152
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:41,280
Motion carries. Thank you guys. We will see you September 8th back here for our

1153
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:42,300
Thanks for your time.

1154
01:33:42,300 --> 01:33:42,860
Council meeting.