[0:25] South Gate City Council prayer.
[0:31] Lord God, our Heavenly Father, we thank you for your guidance in the past and we ask for your guidance in the present. Grant this assembly the insight, ability and dedication to fulfill their responsibilities unto your liking. And may our city always be found in your favor.
[0:44] Amen. Allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[0:58] Praise God the Lord.
[1:02] Mayor Hamburg.
[1:02] Here.
[1:03] Miss Okura here. Mr. Melville.
[1:06] Here.
[1:07] Mr. Mesmer here. Mr. Curry here. Miss Hartman here, and Mr. Whitehead here.
[1:14] We have some recognition for one of our police officers for his five years of service. So, chief. Um, Sergeant Haynes and Officer Joe Boyce.
[1:30] So, Mr. Boyce, this is a five year recognition. We really appreciate you very much for doing this. Okay. Sure. You're on camera. That's interesting.
[1:57] Yeah, I know.
[2:02] We're going to do that. Good retention base. Thank you. These guys want to do for us. Very much so.
[2:11] So with that let's see here Randy. We're going now to public comments.
[2:16] Uh, Kyle Randall, do you want to step up and say your address?
[2:19] Just a couple rules guys on tonight. We've got a pretty stiff agenda. So we're going to time you to three minutes just to let you know. So you have three minutes.
[2:27] Thank you. Um, so thanks for the opportunity. After the last meeting, Sergeant Jones and I got into a bit of a debate about the topic of ownership that began with him declaring that South Gate Police Department owns the data collected from flock cameras. Tonight, I wanted to talk about the difference between ownership, possession and access. Sergeant Jones's police cruiser will be helpful to this analogy. Uh, we may colloquially, colloquially refer to the patrol car that Sergeant Jones uses as Sergeant Jones car. The city may allow him exclusive use of the car to drive between his home and workplace and perform police duties while in Southgate, but he's not likely permitted to take the vehicle on family vacation. Access to the vehicle may be restricted at any time, and what we refer to as Sergeant John's vehicle today could be reassigned, reassigned to another officer the moment that Sergeant John's employment ends with Southgate Police Department, ownership of the vehicle becomes clear. Sergeant John's patrol car was never Sergeant John's patrol car. He only had access to it. The city of Southgate owns the car. When considering what's collected by FLoC, the contract states that the agency or the Southgate Police Department owns the data. You might be surprised that Facebook also claims that their users own their own data. Ownership of anything digital becomes a bit convoluted, because the duplication and subsequent possession of duplicates does not revoke possession of by the originator. FLoC owns cameras that produce the data that they allow paid subscribers to access. Just like canceling Netflix. As soon as you end your contract with FLoC, you lose access to the platform data. They claim that you own. You can download the data ahead of time, of course, but FLoC retains the data in perpetuity under the facade of training, as stated in your contract. So while the data collected by FLoC can be accessed and possessed as a digital duplicate by their customers, ownership implies control. Once the data is collected by FLoC, there is little to no control that the South Gate Police Department, with a total annual budget of 1.5 million, is going to exercise over an $8 billion company domiciled outside of Kentucky, with over 500 million in annual revenue and access to the best lawyers in the country. Nor can South Gate exercise control over any other agency in possession of the duplicated data collected from Fox platform. The claim of ownership is of anything is predicated upon a tested, legal and established regulatory framework, which simply does not exist in regard to Flock's platform data, which is collected. I'm finishing up data which is collected electronically can be duplicated and shared, making local control a complete illusion. So I would strongly suggest or strongly urge the leadership of South Gate to take the same responsible approach that many of our neighboring communities have, and the program immediately and let topics of constitutionality and development of regulation get sorted out at a federal level before reconsidering use of this technology. Thank you.
[5:22] I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next.
[5:27] Uh, Wendy Rice.
[5:30] Wendy.
[5:36] Um, to the members of the City Council and Chief Kriseman, thank you for the many conversations over the last few weeks, and I'm grateful for the transparency you've provided surrounding the topic of flock. Um, especially as in addition to the opportunities to speak with all of you, both publicly and privately, I fully believe that the South Gate Police Department and our City Council signed up for this service with nothing but good intentions to help our police force better serve and protect the people of South Gate. And while I believe that our police have operated this technology with the utmost integrity and honor, the fact of the matter is that flock cannot be trusted with a nationwide system of surveillance flocks sold police departments like our own. A simple and safe concept. Stationary automated license plate readers mounted at strategic locations, collecting searchable images of vehicles around the clock. And, even better, a means of sharing that data with neighboring municipalities to help solve crimes, solve amber alerts and silver alerts at breakneck speeds without infringing upon the rights of anyone. But the reality of flock cameras and any similar technology being sold by axon, Motorola, and Verkada is completely different. These cameras are not just Alpers, and to portray them as such is completely false. That's like saying my iPhone is just a phone. The technological capabilities of these cameras go far beyond snapping photos of license plates. The fact that hundreds of cities across the US have now installed over 140,000 of these cameras means that flock has effectively created an interconnected system of mass surveillance, owned by a private company who has no interest in protecting the liberties of the American people on whom it spies. An article released earlier today by 404 Media and Wired shows that software running on the flock cameras explicitly detects people recording where they appear in an image, and how confident the software is in its detection. This article also states that flock cameras do collect video data in the form of MP4 files. This information is in direct contrast to previous conversations that we had at our own safety committee meeting on Monday night. If flock is lying about, or at the very least misrepresenting their technology and its capabilities, what else are they lying about and why? Also noteworthy an Open Records request request, which asked for emails pertaining to communications with phlox, axon or LP produced evidence of outside agencies requesting access to our three minutes.
[8:02] That's it. You're at three minutes.
[8:04] Man.
[8:04] That's quick.
[8:05] If I could just wrap it up by saying 80% of the people of Southgate that we polled do not want this technology. Americans don't want this technology universally across the political spectrum. Nobody wants this. I would ask our council members to honor their, uh, their constituents and vote to cancel our flock contract tonight. Thank you.
[8:24] Thank you. Thank you sir.
[8:29] Um, I didn't have anybody else that wanted to speak.
[8:33] Was there anybody else that wanted to speak? S1:
[9:39] Yes. For that. Yes.
[9:40] So, um.
[9:42] And I can look into this further, but I believe that that would be a question for planning and zoning as to what you can do with that city sidewalk. Um, if it does require grass.
[9:57] Or.
[9:58] If it can be paved.
[9:59] Okay. You said it's the city sidewalk.
[10:01] I believe. I'm not sure. But right away, oh, it's a right of way.
[10:07] Replacement or repair has to be done. It's the homeowner.
[10:09] Okay.
[10:10] Yeah.
[10:10] And can the city enforce that? Can they make the homeowner replace them? We can. Yeah. They actually are owned by by the homeowner. The the homeowner owns the sidewalks. So I suggest somebody get up there and look at all of them.
[10:23] We can.
[10:23] Check with planning and.
[10:24] Zoning. Yeah.
[10:25] See, the.
[10:25] Other thing is the reason for that grass space is for utilities as well. You know, they have access into there. And so you pour lot concrete. They're going to tear it all up. So I mean they have access to their meters. You got your gas gas usually shut offs, uh, water shut offs. You got utility poles, fire hydrants, or everything is placed in that between the sidewalk and the curb area is kind of.
[10:47] What they got them sticking up. So they got access to them.
[10:50] Yeah, but you encase them in concrete and there's something broken or something needs to be. They have to tear into it.
[10:57] They're going to tear up the dirt. If you do that, they'll fix it. But they're supposed to put it back the way it was. So that happens too as well. That's that's the only thing I'm asking. Yeah. We'll check it after planning zoning. Tom. I'll let you know. We'll get back to you. Okay. Definitely will. Thanks. Appreciate it.
[11:12] Anybody else? Anybody else out there? Okay. Well, in that case, we'll just keep on going here. So we'll go down under approval of the minutes.
[11:24] Is there a motion to approve the September 2nd regular meeting minutes? S9:
[11:26] Is there a second?
[11:27] I'll second.
[11:28] Second by Miss Hartman. Any discussion? Corrections. All in favor of the motion, say aye.
[11:33] Aye.
[11:33] Opposed. Motion carries. Uh. Let's see. Going down to Public Works. Council member Melville.
[11:39] Uh, yeah. Richmond and his guys have been working very hard this week on removing the blacktop from the community center and getting it ready for the blacktop to come in and start. They were hoping to start tomorrow. Something came up, but it doesn't hurt. We're not kind of ready, but we're not holding them up. But we'll probably have another day and then they'll be looking into Friday. So we're hoping we got about another day if that.
[12:04] Yes, sir.
[12:04] Yeah. So they're close to getting all the old stuff up and out and ready for Richmond.
[12:09] I can't remember. Are they going to come back and start paving on Monday? As it was, I can't remember what the date was.
[12:13] Up on Bellevue.
[12:14] Or down at the at the parking lot.
[12:16] They're going to have it graveled in by Tuesday. Yeah. And then base for short two lifts of base for sure by Friday.
[12:23] Okay. So put them, they'll put the first two coats on and then let it cool. Good, good, good.
[12:28] So that part is moving. And then on Valley View they do have all the Valley view is based in curbs are in aprons, sidewalks, the drains. So stuff's pretty much there. They're still seeding and filling and seeding. You know obviously Any fresh ground that was dug. It's going to have some settling as they seed and fill. Uh, so they're looking at I didn't see them start working today up on blossom, but they were kind of moving up in that direction, getting ready to go there. Um, and so those two projects.
[12:59] Just get back to what Paul saying there. They'll put the base coat on like you're seeing right now. When they get everything ready for the other streets, they'll put the top coat on as well to.
[13:07] Finish everything at one time. So you'll be sitting probably pretty. They still have some, uh, strolling and stuff to do the rest of the way up the hill, but basically the street will sit until the rest of the streets are kind of meet up to that same height lift, and then they'll do a final and finish out. And hopefully by the time they're done, all the traffic will be gone and heavy equipment out of there, and we'll get a finished street in Richmond.
[13:32] If you wouldn't mind speaking to Tom after the meeting, he's got a couple things on the curb up there. There was some damage to the curb up on that.
[13:38] We will be doing a walk through tomorrow at 9:00. Jim Shumate, myself and Josh Middendorf, who runs the regular crew, we're going to start from the top, go all the way down with all the markups. Yeah.
[13:48] So I'm sorry.
[13:50] That's great. That's great.
[13:51] Wait for me. You and I chatted about about ten days ago. So he's aware of that. So be sure that when they go down there, maybe mark it with some orange paint or something.
[14:00] Okay.
[14:01] Yes, sir.
[14:01] I'll see you tomorrow.
[14:02] Sounds great. Yeah. We're going to start at 9:00.
[14:04] Okay.
[14:05] Appreciate it. Thanks, Paul.
[14:08] That's all I have. I don't know if Richmond has any more.
[14:10] Uh. No, sir. Nothing right now.
[14:12] You want to mention where we're putting the refuse for?
[14:14] Oh, yes. For the parking lot. So, uh, Evergreen Cemetery is looking to fill a very large void or a hole. So they were able to take all the millings, all the tear out that we took out from the community center parking lot. So completely free. It's right here. It's a quick turnaround. It's it's.
[14:30] And since we did it ourselves, we saved a lot of.
[14:32] A lot of.
[14:32] Money. A lot of money.
[14:35] That's great.
[14:35] Yeah.
[14:36] Probably filling in the old pond up there. I would think.
[14:39] That's been filled.
[14:40] Yeah, yeah. Something else.
[14:42] But he's got quite a few. And he won all. He wants all of it. So it's not costing us anything.
[14:50] It's a good place to go with that. That's great. Questions of Paula Richmond.
[14:56] All right guys, anything else? S8:
[14:57] Good. All right. Going out to public safety. Mr.. Mr.. Mark.
[15:00] Yeah.
[15:00] Chief H is not here tonight. He did not have a report. I spoke to him yesterday. Um, uh, I'm sure I don't know if you want to bring up the, the the 100 pound gorilla now.
[15:13] Or.
[15:14] Whatever you want to do. You want to have Chief Chrisman report first or.
[15:17] I have no.
[15:17] Report. Okay.
[15:18] So the city council met or excuse me, the safety committee met with a couple members of of the public on Monday and had a lengthy conversation. Educational session, very proper decorum. There were no that there was no negativity back and forth. It was a very good conversation. Um, but basically, I guess it comes down to this here is whether or not we're going to keep the flock cameras or not. Paul also was at that meeting. I'll yield to Paul in a moment. He can give you his perspective on it. But, um, one of the things that I took out of the meeting was on how the information is stored. Um, um, it was brought up at the meeting that the information was not stored by the organization. Who is the owner of flock or the license, the licensor of flock. It's actually, um, done by another third party, which greatly concerned me and I, it didn't sit right with me that night. But then when I got home, uh, on when I started to research that on myself. It's absolutely correct. It's, uh, it's a license. I don't want to say who it's licensed by or who it's held by, but it is held by a, by a, by a very big organization that everybody knows starts with an A, ends with an M, but, um, and when I say n, sorry, that's my spelling. So, uh, I, I have, I've got some great concerns in regards to that. Um, on the other hand, there were some very good, very good feedback, um, or on why it's important to have this tool for the police officers. And it's like I was balancing on, I could have went either way. Um, I'm not happy with how the data is served. And again, I'm going to yield to Paul. He was in the meeting too. I'm not, I'm not happy with how the, how the data is stored. Um, but I'm very happy that, uh, that we've had a couple uses with it and one recently in which, um, Chief Crispin had indicated that they had apprehended an individual that had brandished a weapon, if I'm saying this correctly, had brandished the weapon and then was caught in the city with over 2 pounds of marijuana. Now, I'm not a marijuana smoker or user, and I asked Chief Christman because I'm ignorant to it. How much is 2 pounds of marijuana? And I think he's probably laughing at me by asking the question. But he says it's more than if you were a heavy smoker. It's more than you would ever smoke or buy. So clearly that individual was dealing or trying to offset or trying to get rid of that to somebody who was going to sell it. So that's hard to that's hard for me to, to just discount. And then it's also hard for me to discount if someone's child is abducted. And what do we say to the parent who the they're abducted at a park, God forbid. This is all hypothetical. And, and their child's abducted and we don't have that resource to be able to track that potential car that may have abducted them in the city. You know, how do we explain to the how do we explain to that parent or her parents that we don't have that technology? We did have that technology, but we don't have that technology to help us solve this crime. Not a conversation that I want to have. But at the end of the day, I am very concerned about where this data is kept. I went into the meeting Monday thinking and hadn't been told through my through my research, not with any individual that that was secured on a, in a, in a private place. But that is not the case. And the data research that I've done, I don't want to I don't want to I mean, I can't cite the specific sites, but it's, it's, it's out there. And it was easily attainable. But I'm going to yield to Paul and then I'm going to yield to John or excuse me, Chief Christmann, to give their perspectives of the meeting that that was mine.
[19:32] And my I, you know, we listen, we talked and we came up with a lot of stuff because like I said, it's new to us as well. And we know that obviously, from what we've heard, that there's a lot of trust in our officers and that it was just the storage of that stuff. Now, I have been told that there was have never been broken into or anything at this time that's ever been there. So everything that we're worried about has never happened. But what has happened is, you know, we had several cases that were solved by it. One was a elderly man that was, uh, out and he, you know, like Alzheimer's or whatever. And he was, they went by him and we were able to stop him and get him back to his family. The other one, like you said, were a gentleman and an officer and with a weapon or whatever was able to calm down. I haven't seen that. A lot of cases where it was used just to pull people over to question them. It's it's there. It's out there. They use it for to help others. And like I said, as soon as there's a breach, you know. Yeah, you could say. But like I said, you know, we meet every two weeks, we have meetings and if they're at such time there, if there is more details on this system that we're still looking for the mayor itself, you know, we're looking for clarification through other organizations with the same issues, but I just don't want to take a piece of equipment that these officers use every day to help keep Southgate safe and take it off because of what ifs. And that's my concern right now.
[21:07] I want to mention the mayor. Hamburg was also in the meeting, and I certainly want his perspective on it as well. I apologize to him for not mentioning.
[21:16] That.
[21:17] Chief Kushner.
[21:20] There's no there's no.
[21:21] Secret of my desire.
[21:24] To keep keep the flock system.
[21:26] It's a useful tool. We've been successful.
[21:30] It's the reason why one of the safest cities in Kentucky? No, but it definitely helps us to help the public safety. You know, one of the things, and I'll flat out say it, it's Amazon Web Services who is the the data host. I mean, it, you know, FLoC contracts with them. That's who it is. And I'll bet 90% of the people in this room Amazon has their phone number, address, date of birth, credit card, all that information. So there's other things that we use. Our evidence tracking system is housed on Amazon Web Services. So it's it, it's being used by probably thousands and thousands of police departments because they have a government specific gov cloud that they use that that's where it's, it's stationed, uh, that, you know, so it's, it's easy to find that you could probably do a Google search and find that information out. Um, you know, one of the things was discussed about the hackers and I know Miss Rice sent me that, that And there was a story on a some investigative journalist did about how the system was hacked. Well, flat out says in here, first of all, it's a felony to cut down and steal a camera. That's another story. They manipulated the system. Well, certainly if you manipulate the system. I mean, if you broke into the police department right now, you're going to get guns, you're going to get all kinds of good stuff. So you're going to break into a flat camera and manipulate the system. You could get some data. You're not going to get names and date of birth. So because they're not in that system, in that camera. And the one thing they talked about getting photos of, of people, and it talked about that in this in this article. Well, those were on motorcycles. So I would argue that that is maybe one of the problems with it. It's going to get. However, it's also getting the back of that motorcycle rider. If they have a helmet on, you're not seeing who it is anyway. Um, If Richmond is standing alongside the road and a car goes by right next to that, of course it's going to get him in the photo as well. So whoever if you're standing. But I don't think anybody's standing in the roadway when a car goes by. So, um, everything else I know we've hashed out for hours and hours about everything. So I don't know what else you want me to say other than things most people have heard at least 2 or 3 times from me. So.
[23:55] Well, let me say a couple of things here. And I put things out purposely here. And I appreciate what you and Paul and John and Wendy. Thanks for that. And also Kyle too as well on Monday night. Thanks for coming over to appreciate that too as well. Um, I want to be clear here first that I'm not advocating for or against the use of these cameras with what I'm about to say. However, I do want to state the facts versus misnomers based on what I, I know and have seen regarding the cameras in weeks and even some misnomers relating for Southgate and you all know what those are, and I appreciate the information that's here and the information that we received is pretty much overall what we're hearing is those are good, those are good. Those are good responses. I've researched the fly cameras concern many times over. I think you all know that. I sat with our police department one afternoon to get a better understanding of the flock system here in Southgate. I've spoken with mayors and city administrators from other cities who have had or are working with flock cameras that have them installed or have taken them out, or both. As many of you know, I attended the Judiciary Committee meeting in Frankfurt of the House, joint House and Senate Judiciary Committees on Thursday, September 3rd. I've also done a pretty good share of spending time and listening to all sides, both pro and con, of the topic. There's no doubt that the cameras have assisted many agencies and have been used as a tool in solving felonious crimes throughout our country. However, we know the system operates. How is how the system operates. We understand the concerns of our residents and the public, one of which is who is driving the system for for flock and where on the cloud driver is located. It's in Virginia that we're we're told in by the company that Mark had mentioned. The police chief in Elizabethtown testified to the joint committee, along with the representative from flock and representative from the Retail Association of Kentucky in Frankfort. They spoke in positive fashion, but within an open mind to adjusting requirements for all alpr, including flock by by the state, which would affect cities and counties for whatever they came across with any statutes or policies, they testified, as well as representatives from the state and national ACLU and organizations. Those organizations listed procedure and policy differences. However, they seem willing to work with the legislature to find common ground. Questions were asked of flock in the representative from Ian, the police chief from the committee members. Throughout that session. Both were open to discussing options for retention and use, which will no doubt be presented in the next session early next year. The chief quoted a recent resolution to a stolen vehicle ring in Lexington, where vehicles were found in Radcliff and E-Town. Due to the lock system, I came away with the feeling that the the judiciary committees from both the House and the Senate would create a bill or bills together to retain or seize the Alps with modifications to procedures if retained, and policies for use with such with such Alps in the future. No doubt this will resurface in the early 2027 legislative session when they return in 2027. I believe we will see a bill or bills for reestablishing the use with procedure and policy guidelines. I'll tell you the outcomes I gained from the meeting in Frankfort. Meeting with our police department regarding the cameras and understanding our internal procedures, and listening to you all in our residence at the last Council meeting in before who voiced their opinion, as well as the activity by surrounding cities in in our in Hamilton County over in Cincinnati since our last council meeting. Our police chief and the police chief of Elizabethtown, as well as to the other presenters in Frankfort, and the questions and the. Were in answers that were received by the Judiciary Committee. Um, having seen and listened to all gave me an even better understanding and feeling of this topic. I came away with these takeaways. One to keep the cameras, to suspend the use until more defined policies and procedures are put in place with the legislature in three cc, the operation of all LAPRS entirely. As you know, I gave this to the safety committee at the last council meeting, and they were charged with with coming back with a recommendation. I think I just mentioned the three that are out here. Uh, Mark did a good job in putting that together with Paul and also with John as well. So understand that the South Gate Police Department is fully complied with all current and I stress the word. Current state and federal laws and mandates relating to flock cameras and alpr, even to the point of reducing our storage retention from the 30 day time limit, which we now have as a mandatory now down to seven days. Internally, the South Gate Police Department has helped our city be ranked as the second safest city in Kentucky by Safewise in 2425. I can also I can also assure our citizens of South Gate that the South Gate Police Department conducts themselves accordingly to their internal six page policy procedure and use this tool in a very professional manner, acting responsibly when it comes to taking action while using the flock system. So as a as a member of the board and a past president of the Kentucky League of Cities, I intend to bring this matter to our Board of Directors next week. When we meet on Tuesday, we have an 80 member board that Encompassing the entire state of Kentucky from all over the state. We will meet in Covington in our annual conference starting next Tuesday. That will be there in Covington to do that. I'm hoping that the legislative team from the KLC will meet with the legislators, which I spoke with the executive director last night, who assured me that that would happen. And we'll keep up with bills that will no doubt be coming to the KLC at that point, which we always do. The KLC has a legislative arm for all the cities in Kentucky, all but ten. I think overall, the 406 cities. I think we have 396 of them who are members today. Um, so um, that will hopefully will come to both, both houses, both parties for an equitable, equitable result or resolution for our residents and hopefully with their peace of mind one way or the other, no matter what the outcome is of the bills that may be presented. So that's really what I'm looking, what I'm looking for, what I did and what I've done, what we've done in the market. Credit Paul's credit John's credit and Earl's credit for coming with the information to us. We appreciate that overall here. So it's a hot issue, no doubt about it. That's out here in the public today. But I think really, you know, we need to approach this calmly and decide really what's most important. I appreciate you. I appreciate you all letting us know your thoughts at the last meeting and also with things that have been sent to us directly to you as well. So, Mark, I'll turn it back over to you.
[30:45] Thank you. Jim. Um, one thing that I didn't mention, we talked about compromise and alternatives and, uh, Wendy, um, are you there? Is that right?
[30:56] Um.
[30:57] I had initially, I had initially thought that, um, I'd initially had thought that maybe a concern wasn't the, uh, the storage of the data. That may be the concern was the integrity of a police officer. And I don't mean the integrity of our police officers, but there's data out there. If you search flock cameras, there's data out there where individual police officers have abused the system. And, um, they have searched for their relatives or girlfriends, boyfriends or whatnot. And clearly that is that is ridiculous. So I had initially proposed, um, asking the mayor if he would put a committee together of non of non council, non police officers and have them review the or the, or the flock usage.
[31:49] The audit.
[31:49] And audit that on a, on a monthly basis. And we try that for three months. Um well um Wendy had actually said it better than I, better than I and she's, and it, it came out as this and I'm paraphrasing, but there's no question about the integrity of these gentlemen and the integrity of the South Gate Police Department and going in and auditing. What we already know that they're not doing is, is not what the issue is. It's a secondary issue and that is the storage of data. So and I didn't I didn't realize that until that until Monday night. I thought it was that they were worried mostly about the integrity of an individual who went rogue. And it's happened multiple times. You can look at it online, um, where individuals have abused the system. Well, again, and I thought she said it very eloquently. We're not questioning the integrity of these gentlemen or the South Gate Police Department at all. So there's really no need for such a for such an audit like that. It simply comes down to the storage of the data that I can't ask you, but I think I articulated that the way that you said it.
[33:05] Yeah, I think so. And really, we were talking about that Monday night that supposedly they said it's in Virginia, but it's also controlled by that third party that we mentioned to, as well as the driver for that, that cloud based system that's out there today. Overall here. So that's the main thing that's in here. So I guess overall. So we want to open it up for council members.
[33:26] Yeah absolutely. And I just that's about all that happened. We didn't have a recording secretary or anything, but it was as I said, it was.
[33:34] No action was taken.
[33:35] No action was taken.
[33:36] And it was.
[33:37] There.
[33:37] Was.
[33:38] It was very professional. And everyone acted with appropriate decorum. So I was very pleased at that.
[33:44] So was that a public meeting on Monday then?
[33:47] Could it have been at that point anybody could have attended that was out there? Yes. Most definitely. I didn't know they could. They'd be. We announced it at the last meeting that we were going to have this meeting.
[33:56] That.
[33:56] The committee was going to meet, but I wasn't aware that.
[33:59] Yeah, we're obviously anybody.
[34:00] Can come.
[34:01] Meeting. Anybody can come.
[34:02] To the committee to put out.
[34:04] Anybody can come to a committee meeting. Liz was here. She came over to as well.
[34:07] So a public a committee meeting is always public.
[34:11] Yeah. It's all it's all public. Okay. That's definitely.
[34:14] Because I thought that council would at least have to know that it was public.
[34:19] Works public meeting.
[34:20] So all council here and we're all here. And then it becomes a meeting. So even though Liz Liz came as a citizen, you know, she couldn't take.
[34:30] Part in it.
[34:31] She said she could listen.
[34:32] And yeah, I just I thought with public meetings, we had to actually let the public know that there was going to be a public meeting.
[34:39] So this year. So we announced it at the last meeting. And it was so it was there there was nothing that was trying to keep from anything at that point. It's a public meeting. So it's out here.
[34:48] I don't I.
[34:49] Don't know exactly what transpired, but when, uh, when he called me Saturday and asked me if she could come to the meeting, I'm like, I, I don't know. So apparently I didn't go back.
[34:59] I get back to Wendy Sunday and let her know.
[35:01] I don't think I knew that this was a public meeting there.
[35:06] Tonight was also a public meeting tonight. It was also a public meeting calendar. And we said that we would bring back our findings to this meeting.
[35:17] You know that that was my only concern. I went to Zumba. I didn't know that there was a public meeting.
[35:24] Other comments?
[35:28] Um, yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, I, yeah, I was, uh, these flock cameras have been a big thing the last couple months. Really big. I mean, I've seen a bunch of different cities taking them down. Um, in my opinion, I think there's a lot more harm than good even when you are getting after the data. I'm really worried about the data. My big question is what's that data going to get used for? Um, I think, um, with AI and stuff, um, the development of that, I think this is something that's not avoidable in the future. It's coming whether you like it or not. But let me preface this, Um, I haven't heard a single person really coming up in any of these meetings being pro for them. Um, and the thing is, as council members, um, even though I, I may not think it's the biggest deal and I really like them. If, you know, they said 80% of the residents that they polled, um, don't want them, then I think that our role as council members is to um, represent the people. So, um, I think we're probably looking at, um, putting it at minimum, um, just a pause on the, the use of the cameras for now.
[36:40] Until there's no pause on the cameras. I know Jim had three thoughts, but it's either turn them off or leave them on. There's no.
[36:47] Okay. So pause. Pause is.
[36:49] Turning it off.
[36:49] Yeah.
[36:49] It would be. Yeah. Be turning it off. So it would be turn it off until we can get something, um, in the future that, you know, some more legislation because like I just said, I'm, I am for them, but when all the residents don't want them in the city, want them turned off, then I feel like as a council member, that's what we have to do. Um, and then, you know, maybe here down the road in six months, eight months, when we get some better guidelines on them and the data is proven more secure. Even though I, like I just said, I don't really know how unsecure that data really is. Um, but when we can 100% prove that, then maybe we do look at turning the cameras back on. Um, but that's, that's my, my, my perspective is on it.
[37:33] Yeah. That suspension is an option that's out there that folks would just shut them down until we get some clarification from Frankfurt in that case, if that's what's going to happen.
[37:47] But that's overall, I guess, you know, anybody else got any comments? S3:
[37:48] I just have one comment. I mean, I've been pretty quiet on this subject because I just like to sit there and take in everything and, and do some studying on my own. Um, and I think a very dangerous thing right now, in the time that we're in with all the social media is to throw out an 80% number.
[38:06] Where does that number come from? S11:
[38:10] I think it's I just think it's very dangerous to throw that number out there because I've talked to people and it seems to be pretty 5050. Um, it depends what side you're talking to. You got to put yourself in the middle there. And um, I think if it's that big a deal, I mean, I, I think the, the benefits outweigh the, um, the pros outweigh the cons here in my opinion, but that's just my opinion. I mean, I think if this thing is, if it gets bigger or whatnot, I, you know, get some signatures and throw it on the ballot, then you'll get then you'll get a solid number.
[38:47] Yeah. Um, if I may, um, a couple of different things. I had also pulled some, some candidates I don't have, I don't have a survey monkey, uh, precision poll that I can produce the, the data between demographics and ages and whatnot. It's just conversations. And of the ten people that I talked to, four of which basically had no idea what was going on. One of which was pro and the majority was I. We don't want them in there citing Fourth Amendment issues. And it's hard to argue with that. Um, you know, it. And again, I and Jim, you you illustrated this very well at the meeting and at the at the previous council meeting. There is not one person that I spoke to that spoke ill of this police department. In fact, it was the complete opposite. It was the accolades that that I've heard from the people when talking about this. And that's one of my biggest fears. And I, I've told the folks this is that, you know, it's like if we turn this down and take that tool away from them. Um, you know, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a reflection on any of them. It's coming down to the 204th amendment issue. From what I see and what I hear from the public.
[40:14] Anybody else?
[40:16] My concerns with the data, like Mark has been talking about.
[40:22] Was the council, I guess. Let me just give you the options that I'm seeing today. Again, those are one to to continue the status quo. Two, to suspend the operation until legislation is created in the next session, which would not be enacted until sometime after the 2027 General Assembly. And third, to cease the operation of the flock system in South Gate. So, um, anybody hear when I'm discuss that further or I'm going to be open for, for further discussion, or even if you want to make a motion to any one of those.
[40:54] I was wondering, um, because we didn't have again, I'm just throwing this out. I'm just spitballing here. We didn't have a whole lot of people at that meeting. No.
[41:06] Do we want to maybe have another public meeting over that? S9:
[41:13] And the reason, the reason that I and I totally understand that. And I didn't know if it could be open or not. And I shame on me. I should have called when, when Wendy asked me, but, um, if, uh, again, I just maybe we could postpone it or not take action tonight until such time as we do have more of a public meeting on it. I that's just kind of my kind of my take right now, only because each of us have spoke to probably somebody about it in the city as a citizen, but we only had two people show up at the at the actual meeting, two people that could talk, one person that doesn't live in the city but owns property, and one person who lived in the city. Um, and then a council member who couldn't speak because of a, because just, you know, listening. So I don't I don't want to prolong this. I don't want to sit through another 2.5 hour meeting. But at the end of the day, um, two people and one person, no disrespect at all to him, but he doesn't live in the city. He's not a voting member. Maybe we need to get a little bit more insight from the citizens. That's just my $0.02.
[42:19] Yeah, I completely agree with that. Absolutely.
[42:22] If there's 80% that are against it, let them show up and say they're mine.
[42:27] It'll be yeah, that's fine. Whatever you guys want.
[42:29] I just think at least at least folks, depending on how the, how the vote goes. I mean, at least people will. I think they should at least feel as though they had the opportunity to speak. And that's that's where I'm coming from. It's just my opinion.
[42:41] I agree with it.
[42:42] We need to actually put that on the official pages, on our social media, social media pages, and make sure that.
[42:49] Everybody agree with that with, with working towards that.
[42:52] Yeah.
[42:53] As far as it goes. So, um, why don't we make a motion to that respect or whatever to hold a forum and let's, let's choose a date.
[43:00] Yeah. So let me ask you a question before I, before I do that, Jim, how would that work? Would you do it like we, you would just call a special meeting like, like this.
[43:09] We would call a special meeting, probably at the community center at large Hall, as we would do at that point, um, like at 6:00 on a night or whatever. So it starts early in case we are there for three hours or more in that case, but probably would do something like that. So we can get an idea what's happening with it and bring people in, bring folks in, give everybody three minutes like we did tonight at that particular time, and then let them have their their say, their speak and moved on that night. We'll have to keep the three minute timeline to right to the three minutes is what we'll do.
[43:41] And you were very generous, even though you were very generous with the folks that were here. Um, at the special meeting Monday, would it be, would it be impossible to do it on the seventh and just do an abbreviated meeting that night? As far as that is that.
[43:57] Seventh is the link and key candidate meet and greet. And I think, aren't you going to that? So I was thinking we should probably cancel that meeting because yeah, we should all get the opportunity to.
[44:14] Oh that's, that's right. That is and.
[44:16] Can do it there. We'll do it.
[44:17] A new library in Newport right.
[44:20] Yeah. That's.
[44:21] Yep. Nope.
[44:23] It's on Wednesday, October 7th at the Newport Branch Library from 5 to 7.
[44:29] So again, just spitballing, if we chose another date to reschedule or cancel the seventh meeting and go to the 21st.
[44:37] What can we go to? The 30th, September 30th is that.
[44:42] I was trying to kill two birds with one stone. It was a business meeting with the with that. But that's just that's just me.
[44:48] The 30th is a good date. The September 30th. That night. That's a Wednesday night. That's the fifth Wednesday. There should be much going on that night. I want to think that.
[44:59] I'll be.
[45:00] Okay. I got that meeting. I won't be here earlier.
[45:03] You'll be in Paris.
[45:04] I think it's.
[45:04] Important that you're here, sir. So, Chief Charisma just indicated that he'll be out of town in Elizabeth's out of town for 14.
[45:13] Do we still want to stick to a Wednesday? Gosh.
[45:16] Could we could we possibly move the the October meeting from the. Well, that's going to kill him. But that would be all right. Um, can we move it to the sixth instead of the seventh? Is that possible? It's a business meeting in conjunction with.
[45:32] Yeah.
[45:33] I mean.
[45:34] Why don't we just have the special meeting on the sixth?
[45:36] We could do that as well. And then decide at that point if we want to cancel the meeting on the seventh.
[45:42] I think. Yeah.
[45:44] Oh, you're.
[45:44] So when do you get back on 12th.
[45:47] When do you leave? When do you leave?
[45:49] On the 29th.
[45:52] 29th.
[45:55] It's October.
[45:55] But you all want to come to Paris.
[45:57] And.
[45:58] Do.
[45:58] It this October.
[46:00] September 29th to the 12th. We. October.
[46:04] Okay. The first week in October. I'm leaving.
[46:09] So then, what about next week on the 23rd?
[46:12] Jim's got the KLC.
[46:13] Oh, yeah. Next week.
[46:16] I'll see if we hit it. If we had to do it on the on the 23rd. Make it happen. Definitely. But, um you know, it doesn't matter really as far as it goes. It's more important being a convention on the way I look at it. So I would say in this case, even though it's going to be partly working with this, with the legislature. So but yeah, I mean, the 23rd is fine by me.
[46:40] Or the 22nd. Are you telling me that.
[46:44] It's better for me?
[46:45] 22nd? We're not available for real. I hate to say it, but that's something with the family.
[46:57] I'm sorry. Yeah. Sorry. In the 21st.
[47:01] 21st.
[47:02] 21st.
[47:03] 21st Monday, the 21st guys.
[47:06] I think. Kentucky Community Forum at the extension office.
[47:12] That's until seven.
[47:14] 530 to.
[47:15] 735, 30 to 7 or 730. We could be here at 730.
[47:20] All right.
[47:20] People are going to show up. No. A couple days.
[47:25] I think you got to give them time to get the word out. That's the whole reason we want to redo it.
[47:29] In the 22nd.
[47:31] We did that.
[47:35] I can I can do the 22nd.
[47:36] I don't think Mark was available either.
[47:40] Yeah. I'm sorry.
[47:40] 20th.
[47:41] 23rd.
[47:42] I'm good. Whenever.
[47:43] 23rd.
[47:44] 23rd. Two. Three. Liz.
[47:48] Okay.
[47:50] Tom.
[47:51] I'm pretty sure.
[47:53] Yeah, I don't know.
[47:55] Would we vote to take action that night to potentially.
[47:59] We we if we could call it a special meeting? If we do that in a forum at that particular time. Yeah, you could do that.
[48:06] It's going to be a forum because we're all going to be present anyway.
[48:08] You'll be there. Yeah. So you could do it because you're going to have an open meeting. So at that particular time you can certainly take action. That's what you could do too. Overall.
[48:19] Then the only thing on, on, on the agenda will be the discussion of what we can take action there. We would be able to take action. Would we not have a special meeting agenda called. Yeah. If it's on the agenda. Yeah, we could do that.
[48:35] So I would recommend that we do then that the 23rd. Oh I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. September the 23rd at 6 p.m. you said at the community center.
[48:43] Yeah we do at the community.
[48:44] We've checked to check with Chelsea and there's nothing.
[48:51] Are you sure you don't want to just do it at a regular meeting? S8:
[48:59] The chief won't be here.
[49:00] He won't be here, but he will be here on October the.
[49:03] I don't believe I'll be here October 7th either.
[49:05] Or. Excuse me. He'll be here on October the 16th. Of course. I'm looking at the wrong date. October the 25th.
[49:13] 21st.
[49:14] Yeah, I was looking at September.
[49:17] I don't see why you want to just tack it on to a regular meeting.
[49:20] Yeah, we could do it the seventh and just move it down there and just. John.
[49:25] I won't be there either on the seventh.
[49:28] What's the 21st look like? I will be here on the 21st. John will be here on the 21st October.
[49:33] Are you going to wait a month?
[49:35] Well, I, I, I'm just one person. I'm just suggesting.
[49:39] I don't have a problem with.
[49:40] It.
[49:41] On the 21st. Gives plenty of time for everybody to clear a date and make sure that they're there.
[49:46] We can do it the 21st. That is fine by me. That's good.
[49:49] 1st October.
[49:51] Um, Jim, are we able to are we or excuse me, are we able to limit the, the meeting then that specific or.
[49:58] Yeah, probably what I would do is just we have a we have if we had an agenda, we make it a short agenda, which would be a review of the minutes from the meeting, which is what we would do and then go right away. Um, unless there was something to be brought up that we had to come up that was mandatory, otherwise we would go immediately into the form.
[50:16] So are we going to meet on the seventh for that? The candidate meet and greet. I thought you were going to that.
[50:22] We can. Well we can whatever you want to do, we can delay that. Take it out. Just put the 21st. Whatever you want to do, it's up to you all.
[50:31] The first meeting of the month. We always have financials that have to be approved. We have I'm just saying I read I thought that you RSVP to. That is what I read online. Yeah. So I would like the opportunity to go to.
[50:44] My thought was that we, I would go to that and come to this meeting or whatever is what I would do.
[50:48] But that's from 5 to 7.
[50:50] Yeah. And then I would be there from 5 to 615 and head up. Here is what the goal was at that point.
[50:56] Well, I think the bulk of us are going to go to that. And then we all have to be rushing to get here at 630.
[51:03] So let's let's talk about meeting for the forum first and then go back to the seventh. Let's do that. Stay one thing at a time. Let's do that. So you want to wait till the 20 do this, the 21st for the forum. Which is fine by me if that's what you want to do.
[51:16] Yes, I would like to.
[51:18] See why not.
[51:19] So let's do it. The 20. Let's do it the 21st. Uh, put that down here for the 21st. And then um.
[51:29] I don't think we need a motion that will just set the meeting with what we were going to do as a regular meeting item, move it to the committee. Well, we'll have a motion to move it to the community center. I'll need that.
[51:39] I'll make a motion. We move that meeting to the 21st with the open forum for the camera at the community center providing that data available at the community center.
[51:52] There's a motion by Mark.
[51:53] Is there a second? S9:
[51:54] Second by Eileen. All in favor of the motion, say aye.
[51:57] Aye.
[51:58] Those opposed? Motion carries. Let's talk about October 7th. That's out here.
[52:05] So what's your pleasure for October the 7th? S10:
[52:07] Can I ask all who's going to that. Is everybody here going to that? Tommy. Yes. Then I would say we just move to cancel the meeting.
[52:15] You want to cancel the first meeting in October? And so you.
[52:18] Said that maybe we have to do something with the financials so I don't.
[52:21] Have to do it on the 21st.
[52:22] We'll just put it on the 21st as part of the front part of the meeting.
[52:25] So I'll make that motion to cancel the seventh.
[52:28] Motion by Paul to cancel the first meeting of October on October 7th.
[52:32] Is there a second? S12:
[52:33] Second by Tom. Any further discussion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you guys. That's good.
[52:41] That's all we have from the safety.
[52:44] Is that it?
[52:45] That's good. Mark. Well, I will say this. I appreciate everybody's input. I mean that sincerely. We do. This is an important thing not only in the region but for the city. And I appreciate what everybody's here. Um, and it's it's tough because for me, I've got to stay neutral because overall, because if there is something that goes on here with the tie or whatever it gets, it gets to break. It gets you looking at him as a reason why that's out here. So, um, and got to be impartial in doing that. That's, like I said before, not advocating one way or the other. I'm listening a lot, let's put it that way and bringing it in here. So I appreciate everyone's discussion with us. And I'm not kidding you when I say that, Wendy. I think you know that Kyle hopefully by now you realize that too as well. Uh, you know that and the folks that are out here too, that haven't heard or seen what's going on here, we, we're trying to be understanding and we're catching all the sides here. And I appreciate the civility. Believe me when I say that sincerely of everybody that's coming to us to let us know that speaking with every one of us, either by phone, call, by email, or even person to person, I respect that a great deal. Overall, I think we accomplish more when we approach things that way. Overall here. So so, um, I guess I'll ask Mark, is there anything else you want to bring up? No.
[54:05] I think we're done. Beat that to death, guys.
[54:07] Thanks. I appreciate it very much. Any questions of the chief or Mark. Um yeah. That's out here. So. All right. We'll go down to code enforcement. Jackson.
[54:19] I have no report tonight.
[54:22] Nicely done. That's good. Uh, great recreation and community events. Eileen, I know you've got some things you want.
[54:27] To have some events. Uh, so the Northern Kentucky Area Development District Community Forum. Monday, September 21st. Senior Citizens picnic is on Wednesday, September 23rd. Saint Therese golf outing, September 25th, Saint Therese Fellowship Masses and Ministry Fair. October 4th. Pumpkin Walk. October 9th. Campbell County Fall Cleanup October 9th and October 10th. And the Fire Department's target is Friday, October 16th. And I did not put our Southgate cleanup event and it's next week, 28th through the October 4th, I think. Um, and as always, I encourage everyone to subscribe to the city's calendar on the City of Southgate website and visit the city's Facebook page for further event details. Um, that's all I have. But I did want to see, I know that the fraternity was looking to do community service, and I'd like to contact them to help us with the pumpkin.
[55:33] Get with me and I'll give you some contact information. Thank you. I'll be glad to do that.
[55:36] All I have.
[55:37] Thank you. Sounds good. Do appreciate that. Let's see. other questions of Eileen. All right. Going down to public buildings. Tom.
[55:46] Um, I've got a few things with as far as the generator situation is going. There was another issue, um, about a week and a half ago where the power went out and the same thing was going on. And it was also an issue the other day, Monday with the bay door. Um, so starting with the bay door, let's start with the small one first. Um.
[56:12] They came and they, they fixed it and they said that our doors are in pretty good shape. Um what they are doing is they, they are pushing for a, a service contract. I don't have the particulars on that right now, but um it would be every in every six month inspection. Um, Brian's not here anymore is he.
[56:35] No.
[56:36] Um and that's pretty much what that is there. Okay, so we should be getting that door fixed and doesn't matter if the door is fixed or not. If the power is not going to lift it. So getting to the generators, um, Richmond met with uh Cummins today and everybody's got a copy of that. I don't since it's an on going bid, I don't want to say any amounts or anything, but everyone can see there. Um, and as far as that goes, that's kind of going to be the neighborhood that we're looking at. And then another thing that we came up with was this repair that, uh, Buckeye Power Services was going to perform. You've got the, you've got the quote for that as well. And that does not include installation, which we're looking at about $12,000 all together for that fix. And we've decided pretty much that we want to go ahead and put that 12000 towards a new system. Instead of fixing the old one and having it limp along.
[57:39] Yeah. I think what we're looking at is Tom's got that figure that you see here from Cummins that's here. We're looking for 1 or 2 more that we want to get. We do have funds in the firehouse on tax that's out here that we we we received. And the issue is with the current system is that that some of the parts are no longer made or they're they're out of date. That's in here. That system was put in in 2009, 2010. So we're having difficulty finding parts for it at this point for the current generator. So the thought was for the cost. And again Tom will bring more figures to us. But to take a look at at going ahead and replacing that system, that big box that you see in the back of the building here, that is a natural gas supply system. That's how we that's how we put it together. So we're hoping and Patty gets back, I'll talk to her. But I would think that we'd be able to pull the funds out of that, out of that particular, um, reserve, if you will, that we use for the building itself over here. So we'll take a look at that. And Tom, I think is looking at you're looking at this attaching this to that also at the same time.
[58:46] Yes. That was that was the quote.
[58:48] And part of that quote where they were talking about fencing it for Valorant. Is that a law now or.
[58:57] I'm sorry, what is it?
[58:57] Um, in that quote, they were talking about placing a fence around the generator and some safety bollards from the parking lot. I didn't know if that because it doesn't have it now, but was that something that they have to quote in there or.
[59:11] It's probably more from an insurance perspective as far as insuring it, you know, against anything in the parking lot, hitting it or anything like that. Um.
[59:21] Somebody backs into it makes sense.
[59:23] But I mean, that may be something we can do ourselves. Yeah. And, and reduce that a little bit.
[59:29] Yeah. No doubt it's going to be a smaller box. But you see back there now I'm sure it will be.
[59:33] Maybe.
[59:34] Smaller these.
[59:34] Days with a stronger consistency, but you never know.
[59:38] I don't know that it will be larger. Yeah. So yeah. And that's what I'm thinking, you know, because there's bushes and everything. And maybe the placement might be something that we have to do as far as turning it or to be able to, because you fence that thing up now, you won't be able to work on. You have to remove the fence to work on it.
[59:54] I think it would be the most.
[59:56] I just caught me when I was going through it. Some of the things they were kind of requiring. Yeah.
[1:00:00] Tom.
[1:00:01] I have a question.
[1:00:03] Did you say that the new system on this this quote here, um, I know you'll get additional quote, but will that power both buildings? Is that what you're saying? Is that what I heard?
[1:00:14] Yeah. That was the that was what we what we asked of them.
[1:00:18] So and then how would they, how would they, I guess, what are they going to have to do? Are they going to go overhead or underground to get the power supply underground?
[1:00:27] Yeah, I'm sure it would be underground.
[1:00:29] Um, I'm just curious, I yeah.
[1:00:31] Richmond, you.
[1:00:32] Uh.
[1:00:32] It.
[1:00:32] Is.
[1:00:32] It's just a matter.
[1:00:33] Of digging the trench from wherever they placed the new generator. It might even be behind the city building. You know where it's more conducive to do it for both buildings. So, okay, so it's not necessarily going to be back in the parking lot. Okay. Or if it does go from that pad, the larger 100 kilowatt, what we have now is a 59. So the 100 will be a little bit larger. So we might have to remove that concrete pad Repour new pad. But if we do go underground, it would just be a matter of trenching from where it sits now to the back of the city, the city building here.
[1:01:23] So just be a matter of taking out 1 or 2 blocks of concrete and then just to just for futuristic purposes, if in fact we were ever to move the police department with the city building, would that be enough juice to power the police department with that, with the generator you're suggesting? S12:
[1:01:28] I do think I mean, that's something that I have been advocating for a long time to get police department near their, their, um, their evidence room.
[1:01:38] Right. It would behoove us to, to make sure that that could happen.
[1:01:41] Yeah. We would take a look at it and we would have to put this out to bid as what we'd have to do because it's over 50. Uh, really, if it goes over 50 in that case, I should say. But if it does, to answer your.
[1:01:52] Point or to answer your question mark, when I did the bill for the city building and the fire department, the kilowatts added up to about 39kW of usage. And what we have now is 59. So I think 180, 80 to 100kW would very efficiently carry both buildings. I'm just saying that. Yeah, I don't know because I, I don't know. I mean, technically we're out of compliance right now not having a backup system for the evidence room. Correct. Yeah. So that's, that's really important to me. Sure.
[1:02:24] Yeah. I think what we want to take a look at doing or whatever.
[1:02:26] Well, the other thing is we're not going to fix the one we have. So is it not going to run if the power goes off.
[1:02:33] We replaced it, and I think.
[1:02:36] We're only in one phase.
[1:02:38] I think some.
[1:02:39] Of them were.
[1:02:40] Well, they can't they can't find the breakers. Right. They have to replace the whole switch.
[1:02:45] Find the parts for it is what it says. So the sooner the better.
[1:02:49] So we're looking at 14 weeks. It's the lead time.
[1:02:53] And that's.
[1:02:54] After.
[1:02:54] It gets approved. And. Yes.
[1:02:56] And it's 13 weeks again.
[1:02:59] We just cut your throat. I can't sleep. The next meeting.
[1:03:05] Well, a special meeting. Make it happen. Of course. What's going to happen is it's going to take a little while for this to go out to bid and then come back anyway. So you're looking at a couple of weeks anyway. So probably the 21st is going to be a better date to look at it. I would think in that case two hopefully we can get it back by that time. And Richmond, I would say to work with Tom, let's, let's if we get to get Shumate in here to help us with putting that bid together for what we're talking about, let's make it happen. Um, work with him if you need me or if you want to call Jim and let him know. That's what we're looking at. I'll see him in the morning.
[1:03:34] I can bring it up to him.
[1:03:35] Let's put a big A bid pack together for it on the engineer side. Uh, for the engineer. And let's get it out to bid and see if we can see what we're looking at here. Okay. And Brandy, if you will remind me. Or if you would talk to Patty when she gets back here to, uh, you talk about the the firehouse reserve. Let's do that too, as well. So we don't have the funding going to look at or look like.
[1:03:58] Everybody good? Yeah. So right now we know parts even to replace things back there on, on, on the current generator in this case. So it just it's out of date or whatever that's here. So we need to, we need to move on this pretty quickly. The good news is knock on wood, we've already gone down twice in the last six weeks. Uh, but, but at the same point, uh, that is the rallying point for us is over here right now. Uh, but hopefully nothing will happen large during this time and also going into the fall, let's put it that way. So it looks like if the that. If we get this done, if we approve it on October 21st, we're probably looking end of the year, 1st of January anyway. It sounds like you're 13 weeks out.
[1:04:37] Uh, Steve, I don't know where the 13 came from, but Steve told me yesterday it was 16 weeks.
[1:04:41] 16. That's four months in February.
[1:04:45] The system kind of works.
[1:04:46] Yeah, it's it's halfway.
[1:04:48] At least we get we get some power. Yeah. I mean.
[1:04:52] What your your internet's down. Your phones don't work. You got lights.
[1:04:55] Phones.
[1:04:56] Internet. You got lights. Some places it's weird because some things do work. For example, it's like the microwave works, but the fridge doesn't. So like, um, so I don't, but I mean.
[1:05:07] How.
[1:05:07] About the doors? How do you get how do you get the doors?
[1:05:10] The door, the doors are working.
[1:05:11] Okay.
[1:05:12] That's good. But if the doors aren't working, it's a thing where you you pull that and leave them open.
[1:05:17] You just pull them. Yeah, just leave it open. At that.
[1:05:19] Point.
[1:05:19] And the storm we we just we left the one open. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we had to do some squeegeeing after, but I mean, just leave it open.
[1:05:26] It's good. Tommy. Move to America. Tell me one more thing. On the on the doors of the firehouse. Um, initially, I think Brian Ware had reported a couple weeks ago here. Uh, assistant chief where had reported looking at replacement of the doors, which didn't make any sense to me. But are you advocating when you've talked to the garage door people, that it's better to, to have some type of maintenance agreement where I guess things are, are greased versus the wait until a problem happens, they can maybe do a PM on it.
[1:05:57] Is that what you're advocating? S12:
[1:06:22] I'm advocating that you that council goes with that that, um, that PM schedule, right.
[1:06:29] You know, right. Since they're in good shape, a PM schedule makes sense.
[1:06:33] I think to your point, Mark. Right.
[1:06:35] Right.
[1:06:36] If they're offering it, we certainly.
[1:06:38] Right. I'll give them I'll give them a call tomorrow and see what see what that's all about.
[1:06:41] We'll take a look at it.
[1:06:42] Yeah. And I would just give a call to since he had had something to say tonight. Uh, just to sum that up, um, essentially there was a couple small, like replacing the actual buttons, um, for closing garage or I guess maybe some sort of like computer that's telling the garage doors to open. That could really be like a, a quicker fix, but that's something that they think need to be replaced.
[1:07:04] Well, that's maintenance. You got a bad button, then it should let Richmond know. And he could have called it.
[1:07:09] Well, it's not I don't you know, I, I don't really know if it's like it's a bad button or like, because I mean, the buttons work, but I'm not, I don't know if it's, if it's like a switch inside of the button.
[1:07:19] Another thing is, is if they hit it to come down and it starts down and it goes back up, like that's obviously it's a photo I. Somebody must have hit the reflector.
[1:07:27] Oh yeah, I know. I mean.
[1:07:28] I mean, there's certain things that are self fixed to.
[1:07:30] Yeah. The main problem with the one door. Well all right. Well here's what the problem with the doors are. Um, so the, uh, the second bay door right there you go to hit that button. A lot of times you can hit that button a couple times and it won't, it won't, it won't go. It always eventually does. But you really have to hold it in.
[1:07:48] It's making a, it's a contact.
[1:07:50] Yeah. And then it'll pop. Then it'll pop right out.
[1:07:53] Um, so that and then just be a maintenance door.
[1:07:56] One and three are pretty. I mean really have no problems with them. It is usually just that second door which 1301 doors, the ones that probably get pulled up and down almost the most. So that's the door. That's the slowest. But that's the main thing is when you press that button, sometimes it doesn't go. Usually what you really have to do is hold it in and say that we've never had a problem getting out that like, it's like, oh, garage door didn't open, let's take a second truck. But, um, it definitely is slower on the second bay door.
[1:08:24] Well.
[1:08:25] Take a look at it, Richmond, if you will. And if we got to bring somebody in to work with the switches last. Now we.
[1:08:32] Overhead is not the original company that installed that, though I don't believe.
[1:08:36] No, I don't think it was either.
[1:08:38] Because I do remember talking to him when I was on the department.
[1:08:42] We got that through the company that built the place that did that. I forget who it was, but it wasn't. I don't think it was overhead.
[1:08:48] It wasn't overhead. So I didn't know at the time. I think we had some sort of contract with them. That radius construction built it, but I don't know who they had. The door operators.
[1:08:58] The subcontractor.
[1:08:59] It may be on one of the openers.
[1:09:01] But Tom, take a look and see and then come back to us with a price. Okay. All right.
[1:09:09] What else? S10:
[1:09:12] Where are we at on that ice machine? S1:
[1:09:34] Machine is still working very.
[1:09:35] Well.
[1:09:36] And as far as the, uh, as far as the, the newer one, um, is it okay with you guys since it is does belong to the fire department, but I would come by and pick it up and take it to the shop. Okay.
[1:09:50] Well, no, no.
[1:09:52] You know, it was bought with the ad valorem, I think.
[1:09:54] Yeah, I think.
[1:09:56] I think that was yours.
[1:09:57] Was it? I think we bought it and then sent the bill in because we, we got yelled at by Patty by putting not putting the tax. Well, we paid the tax.
[1:10:05] There wasn't any, there wasn't any, uh, fallback to it when it fell apart. Right.
[1:10:11] Oh yeah. I don't, I mean, I.
[1:10:13] Was, I think the guy I.
[1:10:13] Was going to haul it down to the scrap yard and give Brandy the money, but if you want it, did you want to do something else with it?
[1:10:19] Yeah. I mean, if I could take it to the shop, I could work on it a lot more. And just to see, replace a couple of relays there.
[1:10:29] I think it's got a bad button.
[1:10:33] It's fine.
[1:10:34] If you guys want to do that, get together and tell us if there's a cost to it and let's make it so if you think you can work on it.
[1:10:42] Yeah, I think it's horrible to throw it throw it away.
[1:10:46] Yeah. I mean, take a look at it to see if it's a switch. It's got to be a great time. If you could if you guys if you guys work together on that.
[1:10:52] They're anxious to get it out of the way so they can begin your right.
[1:10:56] I assume so.
[1:10:57] And organizing project.
[1:10:58] Yes. It's very important.
[1:11:02] I understand you don't want to have that that stuff redundant sitting in there. I understand that.
[1:11:09] All right guys, anything else Tom? S12:
[1:11:10] All right. Finally, as administration. I'm going down to Miss Hartman. Liz.
[1:11:14] I reviewed the payables. They're great. That's all.
[1:11:17] Sounds good. Any comments? Questions of Liz. Patty's not here, so I'm going to turn it over to Brandi Barton, city clerk.
[1:11:26] How was the city wide yard sale? S15:
[1:11:52] Sounds good. Questions of brandy going down to, uh, to Shelby Schulz, our city attorney tonight sitting in for Marianne. So, Shelby, you're up.
[1:12:03] All right. Um, I do not have a report. I just have a lot of legislation to read. Um, so first we have ordinance 2613. This is to establish a real and personal tax rates for 2026.
[1:12:19] And this is 2613. I will say one thing, just as everybody knows, this is a lower tax rate. The dollars are the same. But for first time, and I don't know how many years we've lowered this last year was 529. This year it's 4.45. And so we've lowered it pretty much. And I've been around. We haven't had anything like that before. So I'll ask, is there a motion to pass 2613 for approval.
[1:12:46] I'll make a motion.
[1:12:47] Motion by Miss Hartman.
[1:12:49] Is there a second? S9:
[1:12:49] Second segment is any discussion? All in favor of the motion, say aye.
[1:12:53] Aye.
[1:12:54] Opposed? Shelby. Thank you.
[1:12:56] All right. Next we have the second reading of ordinance 2614. This is to establish the firehouse tax rate for 2026.
[1:13:06] That's a 0.5387 per thousand. It's the same that it's been for a few years. So I'm looking for an approval for the motion on 2614.
[1:13:18] I'll make the motion.
[1:13:19] Motion by Mr. Melville.
[1:13:21] Is there a second? S9:
[1:13:22] Second. Second by Mr. Curran. All in favor of the motion, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Shall we? Thank you.
[1:13:28] Next there is the second reading of ordinance 2615. This is to establish a motor vehicle and boat tax rate for 2026.
[1:13:39] This is the same as last year also. So I'll ask for a motion for 2615.
[1:13:44] I'll make a motion for 2615.
[1:13:45] Motion by Mr. Curry's or second.
[1:13:48] I'll second.
[1:13:49] Second by Miss Hartman. Any discussion on the motion? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.
[1:13:57] Shall we? S7:
[1:14:03] All right.
[1:14:04] It's the second reading on that. On that on that ordinance. Is there a motion to approve. 2616.
[1:14:11] I'll make the motion to approve.
[1:14:12] 2616 motion by Mr. Curry. Is there a second? Second. Second by Mr. Whitehead.
[1:14:19] I just had a question. You said that was one of $9 per resident. Is that right? Is that what you told me last time? Thank you.
[1:14:26] And that's per our contract with. Thank you.
[1:14:29] Yes.
[1:14:30] That's in the contract. So. Any other questions on 2616. All in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Opposed. Motion carries.
[1:14:38] Shall we? S7:
[1:14:47] All right. We'll discuss that on our meeting on October the 21st. Get that in there is what we will do at that point. We'll put that on the agenda on the front end of the agenda. So we'll talk some business first, and then we'll get into the rest of the meeting after that on a form based. So outside of that and let's see, that's all that you had.
[1:15:05] That's all I.
[1:15:05] Had. Any old business come before council? Well, I will say one thing. I think we all want to congratulate Father Grady on, on his appointment as pastor for the pastor of Saint Therese. I have been a couple of weeks ago, but I think we want to mention that I also want to thank. I lean Brandy Richmond chief H. Um, I think it's all we had there for touring trilogy last Thursday. Um, up at the up at the old Beverly Hills side up there as well to tour that. It was a great tour just to let you know, they're looking now for this to be completed instead of August. They moved it to June. Uh, they're moving forward with it. Um, overall, they've been able to do things, uh, with some other workers to bring them in there. They're getting ready to move some of their workers already to Somerset, uh, where they'll be getting another one of these facilities down there too, as well. So we'll have this completed in June of next year is what it looks like. And barring anything, and weather conditions, which I don't assume there will be, because it seems like they're pretty much trying to get everything under roof before the winter is what it looked like. We had a couple of weeks while we were there, but we expect that with some events that they haven't put in yet to.
[1:16:11] Do, you know, when they expect to start with residents.
[1:16:15] At that time, probably around June. Okay. And they are already taking, um, um, some folks in now that are calling here, they're calling Brandy. We got a number for to refer them to here as well. So just to let you know, the 64 beds, assisted living, 29 bed memory cares, but it's going to be up there and this will be non ambulatory assisted living is what they're looking at. So just to let you know that.
[1:16:37] I did post that on the city's Facebook.
[1:16:39] Yeah. Thanks. Yeah it was really I thought it was really good tour. Good to see things. Um I stayed afterward for the owner architect contractor meeting. The OAC meeting that they call it for an hour. Uh, with all the folks that are working in it. Um, there with the developer as well as the contractors that are there too. And it was interesting to see and hear all of the intricacies that those guys are working on. And I can tell you that it's a great team when you look together and see how they pulled things together and who's doing things on time and what they're looking at for getting things set up before you can tell that they've done this before. So Ross Oberhausen was who we met with that day with his company, and then working with the other folks up there too, that are working is, is the contractor for the for the, for constructing the site. But it was a really good tour and I hope that I think they'll have us back again. We talked about coming back. So hopefully in late spring, next year, early, late spring sometime is what they invited us back at that time. So hopefully we'll see some things up by that time too. In fact, we know we will. So anyway, thank you all for, for, for, for attending that last Thursday put together for us all and that any, any new business to come before council remarks on the vouchers. You already had that. And so anything else to come before Council tonight. Open for a motion.
[1:17:55] Make a motion to adjourn.
[1:17:56] Motion by Mark. Second.
[1:17:58] I'll second.
[1:17:59] Second. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed. Motion carries. Guys. Thanks.