1 00:00:34,879 --> 00:00:43,039 morning everyone it is N9 o'clock I'll call this meeting to 2 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:46,360 order before we Again Begin I want to recognize and acknowledge the 3 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:50,640 traditional keepers of this land with whom we share today the township of 4 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:56,359 Southgate is a part of the traditional territories of of the anishinabi six 5 00:00:53,640 --> 00:01:02,600 nations of the Grand River the sagin oji nation the hodon and the S mate the land 6 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:07,200 that surrounds us is part of who we are as it reflects our histories may we live 7 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:12,479 in peace and friendship with all its diverse 8 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:18,119 peoples I want to note that today is an anniversary of sorts it is the 9 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:23,320 anniversary of the massacre in Montreal at the Eco poly technique uh so today is 10 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,360 the national day of remembrance um so I wonder if maybe we 11 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,840 take a moment of silence to remember those that lost their 12 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,840 lives 13 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:53,799 thank you and I also would note coincidentally 14 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:59,119 that today in 1921 Agnes mcfa was elected to the 15 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:04,960 Canadian Parliament being the the first woman that was elected to the Canadian 16 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:09,280 Parliament of course Agnes is a Southgate native I know grey Highlands 17 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,039 takes pleasure in trying to claim her but she is in fact from South 18 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:23,800 K Madam clerk is there anyone registered for open form uh none today M thank you 19 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:30,840 I need a confirmation of the agenda as presented someone care to move that 20 00:02:26,239 --> 00:02:34,120 Jason and Jim any discussion Barb was it 21 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:44,560 amended it's just as amended it's fine sure okay thank you thank you all those 22 00:02:41,519 --> 00:02:48,400 in favor that is carried thank you is there any Declaration of Interest 23 00:02:45,959 --> 00:02:54,360 related to any item on today's agenda not Jason I have one in the Clos 24 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:58,720 session I'm not sure which one it is but okay all right I'm sure you can yeah 25 00:02:57,239 --> 00:03:02,400 provide the clerk with the paperwork thank you and of course if if any other 26 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:07,760 uh interest arises during the course of the meeting you can declare it at that 27 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:14,000 time so we have a public meeting related to the uh 2024 fees and charges 28 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:17,319 presentation or the bylaw and so on so um who will be leading 29 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:30,319 that you sure Madam clerk yes all right excellent thank you so carry on Madam 30 00:03:25,799 --> 00:03:35,680 clerk the floor is yours okay um the uh track change document was included in 31 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:40,080 the agenda so um you can refer to that as we move through the presentation uh 32 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:45,159 the presentation's very high level so if you have questions on uh the uh 33 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,560 schedules that we did make changes to just uh I think we can ask as we go 34 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:53,000 that's fine so just general I uh added a slide 35 00:03:51,799 --> 00:03:56,720 there where we didn't have any amendments proposed to quite a few of 36 00:03:55,239 --> 00:04:00,760 the schedules so first uh schedule a 37 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:06,040 Administration uh very minimal amendments here um maybe 38 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:12,640 Dina if you want to elaborate on that I can do it that 39 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:17,079 way uh thank you for you uh Mr Mayor the only changes on the administration um 40 00:04:15,239 --> 00:04:23,160 these that we decided was just to round up some photoc copies and faxes uh 41 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:27,680 laminating costs very slightly and uh we changed our statement of accounts to 42 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:31,280 have one fee rather than the um complicated structure that was there 43 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,680 before so it's just every statement of account is 44 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:48,560 $30 okay if there's no questions on that schedule move on to uh fire I'll let 45 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,560 Derek elaborate on that 46 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:57,800 microphone morning everyone um so we added the false alarms call in there 47 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:01,800 which was a bylaw that was passed previously and we just thought it was a 48 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:07,080 perfect time to update it as well as the smoke alarm cost recovery that was 49 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:11,479 passed in 2020 that still didn't make its way into the fees and charges bylaw 50 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:18,400 so we included that in there and we just updated our uh initial our file search 51 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:22,160 reports to $100 versus it came in at 80 something dollars before that 52 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:34,039 so Dre you good morning and uh thank you with regard to smoke alarm recovery I 53 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:38,520 know that at times you do a blitz where you are where if smoke alarms are 54 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:45,360 donated I suppose to the fire department but when would that fee be be imposed 55 00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:49,000 and how is it collected so when we do smoke alarm 56 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,720 blitzes essentially we go into the houses and if we find deficient smoke 57 00:05:50,919 --> 00:05:55,880 alarms we kind of give them an option here's a loner one we're not going to 58 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,199 leave them without any coverage and if you don't return that within 10 days 59 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,479 then we're going to send you a bill for it otherwise at that point we can offer 60 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,080 them too if you want us to install these smoke alarms or we're going to we'll 61 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:11,360 install them for you at the cost of the smoke alarm that way everyone's 62 00:06:07,599 --> 00:06:11,360 safe wonderful thank 63 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:19,520 you okay moving on from fire uh building 64 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:24,520 department use your microphone please microphone 65 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:29,479 please I apologize it's been a while uh so the building department has reviewed 66 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:34,080 and uh has made some changes to our Fe fees the application and changes of use 67 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:38,000 fees have increased inspection and file searches have increased that's 68 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:42,039 Administration sewage deck swimming pool permit fees have increased and there's 69 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:47,120 also various minimal increases throughout the lines of the process I 70 00:06:44,599 --> 00:06:52,080 will state at this time that uh if anybody requests or requires the 71 00:06:50,039 --> 00:06:58,199 justification for these fees it is available at no cost by contacting our 72 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,199 office thank 73 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,400 you 74 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:12,479 moving on from building uh the solid waste schedule uh 75 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:20,720 Jim is unavailable so I'll between Dina or yeah Dina you go ahead um so some of 76 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:26,800 these fees have um increased the um collection cart delivery fee has been 77 00:07:22,919 --> 00:07:32,520 added and a new change is the collection cart collection carts will be um um 78 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:39,080 charged at time of building permit for new homes um the this is a a significant 79 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:44,599 change for how we do business um some of our administrative practices are to 80 00:07:41,479 --> 00:07:50,599 provide service and collect fees um following that and we are shifting to 81 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:56,919 fee for service where we are um getting the service paid for before we provide 82 00:07:53,680 --> 00:08:00,720 the the uh the carts so you'll see that there's another change coming forward um 83 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:04,639 when we talk about water but that's those are the changes there at 84 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:12,720 least thank you through you with regard to the delivery cart fee that has not 85 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:18,599 been we didn't have that on the fees and charges before is that for when people 86 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:24,000 request a a replacement bill bin and they can't pick it up at the Depot or is 87 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:30,599 that for a let's just say use an example of a new home and the township is 88 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:35,440 delivering the the bin to the newly occupied homes 89 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:41,959 how who's paying for that and that's correct so at at the um if the developer 90 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:46,680 wishes us to deliver waste collection bins it will be charged at building 91 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:51,240 permit fee um with their building permit because currently we are not charging 92 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:56,680 and we are delivering the bins so that that's not a service we should not be 93 00:08:53,000 --> 00:09:02,000 charging for for developers um we will um for people who want to pick them up 94 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:08,079 we will have them available in um I believe in dundock and in agront so that 95 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:13,720 they're able to pick them up uh close by if they are not able to pick them up we 96 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:20,760 will charge a delivery fee um however there will be an exemption process for 97 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:25,600 um people that cannot I believe there's an exemption process that we're putting 98 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:31,120 in place or very rare circumstances on a case-by Case basis 99 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,120 correct thank you 100 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,959 okay moving on uh 101 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:47,800 Recreation uh one of the changes we made was just the titles of a couple 102 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:52,680 categories just so we could uh be a little more understanding of some fees 103 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:57,440 in some different facilities such as the Pavilion uh now we can give the 104 00:09:55,079 --> 00:10:02,160 programming rate because it was not they were in a separate category 105 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:09,480 um so we just kind of Blended some of them to get the fees and charges more 106 00:10:06,959 --> 00:10:16,079 um more the same across the board between all 107 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:21,680 facilities and the other changes was uh we went with a 2% increase across the 108 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:25,920 board on fees and we eliminated some of the unused fees that we haven't been 109 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:32,000 charges charging and a couple of them are in the arena 110 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,000 Auditorium so those are the changes in 111 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:47,800 wreck I seeing no questions for that uh Library Lacy's uh not available to but I 112 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:51,120 can take this one she um removed the scanning fee there's no consumable 113 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:55,040 involved they've been scanning to email so that fee was removed and then there 114 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:59,560 was actually slight decreases to the mill room rental fees um main reason 115 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,920 there is just so it was uh a rounded number for collection she doesn't have 116 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:09,240 debit or credit available at the library so it's just easier when there's cash 117 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,240 only and that was 118 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:26,480 it yep planning's next that's it for the library sorry no so moving on to 119 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,480 planning I'll let uh Dina take that 120 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:38,160 one so um thank you Mr Mayor we did make quite a few changes to our planning fees 121 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:42,959 um we did an extensive uh survey amongst I believe eight different 122 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:49,240 municipalities as well as had our um senior planner Bill review the fees and 123 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:56,160 we also spoke with uh GRE Highlands Matt ripkey um Victoria and I had a meeting 124 00:11:51,839 --> 00:12:01,760 with him um so we are more um it's this average fees we are trying to be in line 125 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:08,920 with what our costs are as far as adding um new staff in the planning department 126 00:12:05,079 --> 00:12:12,000 um and so several fees have increased um some of them significantly to be in line 127 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:19,320 with others which 128 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:21,800 SCH okay yeah so there are any questions there I'll find 129 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:29,560 this through you and we're going through this at the conservation Authority as 130 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:35,880 well this is geared to cost recovery correct the staff time uh applications 131 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:40,360 circulation to other agencies pulling all of that work 132 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:45,399 together for an official plan Amendment or a zoning bylaw Amendment yeah um so 133 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:50,199 yeah some of the files are actually very labor intensive with the amount of 134 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:55,199 meetings repeat meetings um and consultations and staff time yes as 135 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:00,440 administrative staff as well as the planning rev and the goal is that 136 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,639 development p for development correct thank 137 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:14,600 you any questions there he moving on the last um schedule with a change was water 138 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:19,600 um so amendments here uh the water meter uh cost did increase a little bit on new 139 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:25,880 and replacement uh meters and then we added um an inspection or reinspection 140 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:29,279 of an installation of a water meter fee um the process is changing slightly with 141 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,360 that as well uh we're going to be charging the water 142 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:37,639 meters at time of building permit issuance same as the collection cards 143 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:40,680 and uh the uh water guys in town just have a bit of a different process now 144 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:46,040 they're inspecting rather than installing so there's a fee for uh their 145 00:13:43,839 --> 00:13:49,240 inspection to cost recover that that's 146 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:57,800 it quick question about the installation I didn't actually realize that they're 147 00:13:55,519 --> 00:14:05,160 no longer going to install the water meters 148 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:10,160 correct who is installing them and are they certified I don't know what the 149 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:13,839 process is through the mayor so it would be the plumber like the whoever's 150 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:20,120 building the home it's it's up to them to get it in uh installed and then the 151 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:25,800 guys inspect and that also falls under occupancy I believe right Bev yes yeah 152 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:31,040 yes thank you so just one more comment regarding that um we did also look at 153 00:14:28,839 --> 00:14:35,440 the municipalities around us and what they do and we are also going to be 154 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:40,880 developing and providing an installation guide with our building permits and uh 155 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:45,440 licensed plumber will be installing it and then um prior to occupancy our water 156 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:50,000 staff will inspect it and get the information they need and they were no 157 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:56,759 longer install without a fee did you want to add anything B no 158 00:14:53,079 --> 00:15:00,680 good all right so those are uh the changes um 159 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:11,600 there was um we did have an opportunity for people to submit uh any questions or 160 00:15:09,079 --> 00:15:17,320 comments uh in writing to us or phone call and we did not receive any from the 161 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:21,800 public so if there's no more questions from members of 162 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:25,959 council that would be the end of our public meeting oh look the deputy mayor 163 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:30,240 has a question Martin go ahead I've been 164 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:34,680 waiting go ahead 165 00:15:32,199 --> 00:15:39,399 Martin um Lindsay with the lottery licenses 166 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:44,000 when we get money for that does that go to LG or is that Township I've never 167 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:51,120 understood how those things uh no that's Township Revenue that's Township Revenue 168 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:57,079 okay um and I have two to go ahead yeah thank Bev you mentioned uh the sewage 169 00:15:54,759 --> 00:16:01,759 private sewage disposable disposal uh you have have classes four 170 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:08,319 and five and then there was not any number to a fee like what's the 171 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:13,720 difference between that Su it is on page 25 there's a line saying sewage disposal 172 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:19,519 fee and then there was something for four and five 173 00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:24,199 class we're getting into murky Waters here I 174 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:29,600 know it's what you had me remov B oh 175 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:35,680 okay um class four and five just different styles of styles 176 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:44,319 okay excuse me thank you class four and five septic systems are just different 177 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:49,360 styles or different ways of building a septic system um the fee is still the 178 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:54,199 same for both of them okay but uh they just have to separate them so that it's 179 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:59,399 known in the public that either one there's also class one two and three but 180 00:16:56,839 --> 00:17:04,880 it won't go down there okay that's about it okay thanks Martin 181 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:04,880 thank you 182 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:14,079 Barb forgot what I was going to ask it's okay it was actually just to point out 183 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:20,039 that Martin wanted to speak kept looking up 184 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:26,199 here thank you any further questions Monica hi good morning everybody um just 185 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:31,400 for just through you chair uh to Lindsay for Waste um if it was already said I 186 00:17:28,919 --> 00:17:37,240 apologize but I was just wondering for the increase for the recycling organic 187 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:42,679 and waste carts um what like what was the reason for that for the 188 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:47,440 increase uh sure through you mayor Mel um they the guys are doing a lot of 189 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:52,400 assembly with the carts uh that we weren't uh recovering those costs and 190 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:57,640 also um moving them around the township so they're available uh because they do 191 00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:02,000 all the um assembly in agront at the uh transfer station or at the landfill 192 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:05,080 sorry so um they're tracking it across then so they're available at the dundock 193 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:10,720 transfer station so just recouping some of those costs through the collection 194 00:18:08,159 --> 00:18:17,280 cards okay thank you any other 195 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:25,320 questions Barb just one final question about you indicated that there was no 196 00:18:20,919 --> 00:18:31,799 public comment was this only sorry was this only circulated in the agenda or 197 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:37,440 was it uh advertised in the paper or out on social media yes so website social 198 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:41,760 media and we did um a newspaper advertisement yeah 199 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:49,360 okay all righty then um obviously 200 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:53,039 there's is there anybody for verbal comments I don't see anybody online I 201 00:18:51,360 --> 00:19:00,320 don't see any well obviously nobody here in the audience so no all right well 202 00:18:56,679 --> 00:19:00,320 then um 203 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:07,080 do I need to do I need a motion to adjourn the public meeting portion or 204 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:12,360 just carry on we'll just note that it was adjourned at 9:18 all right okay 205 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:16,799 then um I don't believe there's any delegations or presentations adoptions 206 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:21,559 and the adoption of the minutes of November 15 special and closed session 207 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:26,799 meetings someone care to move that Jim seconded by Martin thank you any 208 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:32,400 discussion all those in favor that is carried thank you very 209 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,280 much uh moving on to reports of Municipal officers first we have uh fire 210 00:19:34,919 --> 00:19:41,799 chief Derek melani who is here he's going to be talking about Firehouse subg 211 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:48,480 grants someone care to move that please Martin seconded by Barb welcome 212 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:53,280 Chief this is not about sandwiches right that would be correct not about 213 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:59,159 sandwiches um so every year Firehouse Subs opens an application to give a 214 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:02,080 grant or a gift of money to to local fire departments where there is a 215 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:09,000 Firehouse Sub uh there's one in Orangeville and one in Owen Sound and so 216 00:20:05,159 --> 00:20:14,880 you submit items that you you wish that you could have which maybe is outside of 217 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:20,039 a regular budget scheme um and we were generous enough to get 218 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:23,919 $34,000 approximately from them for some of this equipment so some of the 219 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:28,520 equipments that we would be getting is an airbag kit for car accidents as well 220 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:33,280 as rural rescue um we haven't had one of those in 10 years um as well as some 221 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:38,880 other appliances for the truck so right now we only have gated uh hydrant gates 222 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:43,720 for the 65 or two and a half inch ports on the hydrant so to actually get one 223 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:47,240 for the 4 inch on the front each one is about 224 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:52,400 $4,000 so we put in for a bunch of items like that and we were successful so just 225 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:58,720 want to thank Firehouse Subs for considering us and picking us excellent 226 00:20:56,919 --> 00:21:03,720 excellent well kudos to you chief for uh submitting 227 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:08,400 that application and congratulations on being successful I wonder if maybe you 228 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:14,559 could submit one for a maybe a ladder truck something like that just there's 229 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:19,559 only a $50,000 Limit Oh that might buy the tires maybe every little bit helps 230 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:24,320 in any case any questions regarding Martin go ahead morning Derek uh I think 231 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,600 it's great when I read that I said wow five House Subs they're great subs and 232 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:31,720 they give back to the community so that's cool 233 00:21:28,919 --> 00:21:36,640 uh the one question in the concluding comments when you put and take staff 234 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:40,919 time to put an application do you I guess Lindsay do you really have to come 235 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:45,760 back and ask counsel to put it in authorize it when you're done all the 236 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:50,720 work is there legality there because so council's just authorizing the fire 237 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:55,159 chief to execute the agreement yeah yeah which we're required to do oh you're at 238 00:21:52,679 --> 00:22:01,440 this time yeah okay and the other one is AJ stone is that the only equipment 239 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:05,360 supplier for these needs or is it one we've used all in the time so we have a 240 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,200 good relationship with them through you the mayor uh we 241 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:13,360 actually have a bunch of vendors that we normally use AJ Stone was just the one 242 00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:17,240 that was able to supply us everything on our wish list instead of it had to be 243 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,880 through the Grant had to be through one supplier um and AJ Stone hit all the 244 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:24,760 boxes for offering all this equipment we we needed where some of our other 245 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:29,480 manufacturers would only be able to offer us the airbag or the appliances 246 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:34,440 not everything together okay that's good then so good to have a wish list done at 247 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:38,799 December yep for sure that's cool that's it for me all right thanks Martin 248 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:44,279 anybody else Monica uh yes I would uh just through 249 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:48,200 you chair uh to fire chief just Echo the mayor's um Express comments of 250 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:53,520 appreciation for the staff efforts in applying for the Firehouse Sub Public 251 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:57,440 Safety foundations of Canada Grant um it's a really great thing um just with 252 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:02,080 regards to the grant amount I'm just wondering if there is a 253 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:05,080 discrepancy um the report states that the original quote for desired equipment 254 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:12,120 was 36,5 1256 but the received agreement is 255 00:23:09,159 --> 00:23:16,360 for a total of 3459 721 so just wondering if there was any 256 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,840 clarification that was needed in the difference of the grant granted amount 257 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,880 and whether it affects the original plan for the equipment purchase just to make 258 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:28,720 sure that the fire department gets everything they 259 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:32,840 need Chief through you the mayor um so we don't believe there's any issue with 260 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:37,720 that whatsoever so as a municipality we get a certain percentage of our HST back 261 00:23:34,919 --> 00:23:43,000 where the quote at 36,000 has the HST included so we're thinking Firehouse Sub 262 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:47,799 did the math itself there and accounted for what we would get back for 263 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:53,600 HST oh perfect all right thank you great job thanks Monica anyone 264 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,240 else okay I'll call the question all those in 265 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:01,200 favor that is carried thank you very much thank thanks chief economic 266 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:06,000 development officer Brena Carroll has the next report is regarding a business 267 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:12,440 retention and uh expansion program someone care to move that 268 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:19,679 please Barb second by Monica Brena welcome wonderful thank you Mr Mayor um 269 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:24,440 yes this report is just to um inform Council and request approval for the 270 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:28,559 commencements of of our business uh retention and expansion program which 271 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:36,760 would start in the new year this is in line with uh goal onea of our new 272 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:42,880 strategic plan um to do a br study and implement the results from the study so 273 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:46,640 um basically the this program would be run 274 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:52,480 inhouse um and we would survey businesses through conducting interviews 275 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:58,360 um in the first quarter of 2024 um and then through that process 276 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:04,039 we'll we'll gather information about um uh action plans to for our business 277 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:10,799 community and then also it's an opportunity to refer businesses to local 278 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:14,279 supports as needed excellent thank you Brena any 279 00:25:14,679 --> 00:25:21,559 questions John good morning thank you Mr Mayor 280 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:29,679 through the chair uh for Brena will you be going door too to the businesses 281 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,679 downtown also to get any input or 282 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:39,520 questions yes thank you um and through you Mr Mayor um yes so they will be 283 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:44,640 we'll be doing in-person interviews or I will be doing them um we'll send out an 284 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:52,039 initial email to businesses then we'll do downtown walks in dundock and 285 00:25:47,159 --> 00:25:55,279 Holstein um to kind of book that time um and and then we'll also call through 286 00:25:53,679 --> 00:26:00,880 different businesses that aren't located in those areas and and then go to them 287 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:05,440 um to to do the interviews so the interviews should take about 30 to 40 288 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:10,399 minutes and then there will be followup uh By Me following those 289 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:17,679 interviews okay thank you Martin 290 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:27,080 morning there you go thank you uh morning uh the 291 00:26:24,399 --> 00:26:33,480 uh the team of six to 12 is that going to be com IED of staff and business 292 00:26:29,399 --> 00:26:39,440 owners or first question yes so it will be mostly staff um and maybe some 293 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:46,120 representatives from our business Community or chamber and that will uh to 294 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:50,919 be uh formulating the survey and there's a draft survey available through omafra 295 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:55,760 so we can select questions and then add questions that we want to want to see so 296 00:26:54,039 --> 00:27:00,600 um yes once this is approved then I'll go about putting together that group 297 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:04,799 um but yes mostly staff from various departments okay second question then uh 298 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:10,960 are you going to be using the chambers information too or you doing it inhouse 299 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:18,159 which I think is great yes but are you gonna use their data as well um I'm 300 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:24,039 hoping to use the the chamber to utilize their mailing list so they sent out a 301 00:27:20,399 --> 00:27:31,039 newsletter every every month or so and um so we'll use that in order to inform 302 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:35,080 businesses about the program um and yeah mostly to get in touch with businesses 303 00:27:32,679 --> 00:27:39,200 is the information we'll use from them may I have one more absolutely and then 304 00:27:37,399 --> 00:27:43,159 with the uh this is going to the brick and mortar 305 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:48,279 shops is that is the chamber and yourself trying to Target the 306 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:52,320 inhome businesses that are flourishing in dundock you see them posted all the 307 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:55,960 time is that an Avenue you're looking into as 308 00:27:53,559 --> 00:28:00,200 well it's definitely yes I'm trying to do a cross-section of businesses 309 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:05,000 so being able to interview some of the inhome businesses would be excellent as 310 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:10,360 well I do have some contact information with them although I haven't made um 311 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:16,760 many connections with them but except through social media so I'm I'm hoping 312 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:23,640 to to talk to inhome businesses as well thank you okay any other questions 313 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:28,919 Barb thank you and through you um thanks Brena for bringing this forward so 314 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:32,880 quickly the business um the businesses you're going to do a walkabout in you 315 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:38,679 know dundock and Holstein to the bricks and mortar businesses um a campaign 316 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:46,120 through the paper and social media to attract other businesses for those on 317 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:49,480 Farm businesses the um the home bus the the ones that are out in the rural 318 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:55,320 settings are you going to be reaching out to them because the chamber doesn't 319 00:28:52,080 --> 00:29:01,519 necessarily have all businesses as members how will we reach out to those 320 00:28:59,159 --> 00:29:06,320 businesses yes thank you thank you for the question and through you Mr chair um 321 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:12,640 for those businesses we do have an existing business directory um so we I 322 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:17,240 will go through and email all those businesses um which we had some great 323 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:22,919 response obviously from our strategic plan from businesses so we had about 60 324 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:28,240 people respond from varying Avenues and then um I will also call through that 325 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:33,919 list as well to see if I can access people so I'm hoping to use every Avenue 326 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:40,120 to be able to um reach out to those businesses as well thank 327 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:45,799 you do you uh Brandon have any idea how long it's been since we've done one of 328 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:51,679 these I I remember one was done uh I think that's when I was mayor 329 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:56,519 before so it'd be in the 2010 to 14 in there somewhere be interesting to see 330 00:29:54,039 --> 00:30:00,519 that and compare some of those metrics to what you 331 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:08,399 get now this time just to see how things have changed um Henry Meek was the uh 332 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:11,120 Edo at that time so anyway just a thought there might be even well I'm 333 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:16,320 sure there are some businesses that would carry over from that time uh there 334 00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:20,960 might be some business contacts in there that you might find useful yeah thank 335 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:26,480 thank you Mr Mayor I'll definitely look into that one I haven't seen that one 336 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:31,360 but now that I know the timeline for that I'll look I'll look for that and 337 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:37,399 then the last one the county ran one with eg businesses it was through Bruce 338 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:42,240 gray and Simo County specific to the a um Agra food sector and that was in 2018 339 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:47,000 so I've read through that and that that was helpful in a way um so that would be 340 00:30:44,679 --> 00:30:52,360 the the last one that covered businesses in this area is my understanding okay 341 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:57,880 you good Monica you had a question uh yes thank you uh mayor Brian 342 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,000 um and just through you and just to your last comment actually 343 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,440 to that point I think that's an excellent idea it's almost like a 344 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,679 reverse Gap analysis where we want to see where we are and we're going but if 345 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:11,960 we could see where we were been and where we are now that would be amazing 346 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:16,399 so uh that's an amazing idea and just to through you chair to the Edo thank you 347 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:20,440 for such a great report business retention and expansion is definitely 348 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:25,679 something that is music to the ears of many um just with regards to timelines 349 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:31,679 and Milestones as this program is very detailed and it's spanning from the 350 00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:36,679 quarter of 2023 to September 2024 again appreciation of the thorough planning 351 00:31:33,639 --> 00:31:40,799 would there be a possibility now of a little bit of elaboration on specific 352 00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:44,919 milestones and deliverables expected through each phase of the program uh 353 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,240 just to make sure like transparency accountability and then we could also 354 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:52,760 look forward um or I can understand if it's just like the beginning um if 355 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:58,880 that's something that could be talked about at a later 356 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:06,039 Point um yes thank you so much counselor um singur for that question and through 357 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:13,399 you um so there will be um kind of an announ uh a sharing of 358 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:20,480 the results after that F initial stage um of the survey and then various um so 359 00:32:17,639 --> 00:32:25,559 after the first quarter of 2024 once the survey data has been um 360 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:30,840 compiled um will hold a review meeting with that leadership team 361 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:38,039 um and then start developing action plans so so that will be shared um and 362 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:42,480 then following that period we'll also be um sharing the results with the public 363 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:48,480 and working with uh business owners in order to develop action plans for what 364 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:54,600 they want to see um in the community based on the results to the survey 365 00:32:51,399 --> 00:33:01,639 so there will be public meetings as part of the program uh 366 00:32:57,399 --> 00:33:07,080 likely held during the um second quarter um and then ultimately there will be a 367 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:11,320 report and then publication of of the findings of the report through social 368 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:18,039 media and and the paper um I hope that answers your question yes very exciting 369 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:22,519 thank you for that thank you all righty not seeing any more questions 370 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:29,240 I'll call the question all those in favor that is carried thank you very 371 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:34,039 much Brana moving on to uh our new Treasurer Taylor McMahon we have a 372 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:39,360 report there regarding capital and operating interm spending Authority 373 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:44,519 prior to the 2024 budget approval would someone care to move that please Martin 374 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:48,320 and Barb Taylor welcome okay thank you for having me this morning um as 375 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,559 outlined in the report we thought it was prudent to go ahead and ask for 376 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:56,120 pre-approval on the budget since um we don't have approval on the 2024 budget 377 00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:01,320 at this time and we have major projects that we don't want to go either without 378 00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:04,799 tendering um or gaps in service on the operating side um so that's what we're 379 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,919 hoping to do and then we're hoping to make this an annual report so that 380 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:16,000 there's no gaps in service going forward and that we can maintain favorable 381 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,000 pricing excellent thank you any 382 00:34:16,919 --> 00:34:24,200 questions okay not seeing any all those in 383 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:28,399 favor that is carried thank you Taylor it's always a sign of a good report if 384 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:32,720 there's no questions all clerk I don't I don't have one for that I just wonder if 385 00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:35,359 um I see Hannah's on the line but if you want to introduce 386 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:43,639 her thank you uh at this time I'd like to take a moment to introduce Hannah 387 00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:52,639 kums she is South Gates new bylaw officer she started with this Monday and 388 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:57,599 uh things are going swell okay thank you excellent welcome 389 00:34:55,240 --> 00:35:01,119 Hannah you want to tell us a little bit about yourself while you got the 390 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:04,920 opportunity and I don't give Bev the floor very often but I'm sure I'll be 391 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:11,240 giving you the floor more thank you Mr M I would love to say 392 00:35:08,359 --> 00:35:16,119 a few words so first off I'm very glad to be with the township of 393 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:20,920 Southgate I have traveled a lot originally I'm from Australia I was in 394 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:27,079 the military over there and came to Canada I went into the police force I 395 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:32,320 was with the RCMP for quite a while and then decided bylaw enforcement was where 396 00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:37,000 I wanted to focus my career so then I went into 397 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:41,160 bylaw excellent excellent well I would have guessed you were from Australia but 398 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,920 not because of the accent no I'm kidding of course because of the accent but 399 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:51,119 you're probably thinking there is no accent right correct I don't feel I have 400 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:55,920 an accent because I didn't hear it everyone else 401 00:35:52,720 --> 00:36:00,640 does in any case welcome and uh we hope you uh enjoy your time here with 402 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:06,640 Southgate thank you very much okay thank you Bev for that thank 403 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:11,560 you uh Lindsay so uh let's see where are we at okay now we're down to the clerk 404 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,520 Lindsay green she has a couple reports there the first is regarding the 405 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:19,119 Integrity commissioner reappointment and agreement renewal would someone care to 406 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,119 move that 407 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:31,280 please Joan well yes thank you and Barb thank you uh Lindsay 408 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:35,560 uh through you mayor Mel this is uh our agreement is expiring at the end of the 409 00:36:32,839 --> 00:36:39,040 year uh we want to maintain our professional relationship we have right 410 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,839 now with principal Integrity so uh staff are recommending that we reappoint and 411 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:49,200 uh uh renew our agreement with the principal Integrity um the fee went up a 412 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,960 little bit not a lot that's included under the financials and the agreement 413 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:59,000 uh is uh with the Bas I'll just take questions if there is any thank you 414 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:03,280 Lindsay are there any questions Martin 415 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:11,480 got there you go thank you uh I sound like a broken record at times when I see 416 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:19,119 stuff like this it just saddens me that we have to have an Integrity 417 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:23,119 commissioner it just bugs me no end and Barb and I were talking to Deputy mer we 418 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:27,200 were talking about it last night you know uh thank you Dina for the 419 00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:31,359 municipal subscription I did that at the beginning 420 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:37,240 of the year and with that print copy you get daily newsletters and I could say 421 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:42,800 I'm sickened by the amount of reaches of the code of conduct and then an 422 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:48,560 Integrity commissioner having $440,000 of taxpayers fees to pay for 423 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:55,160 it the lack of I'm so thankful we have a good team 424 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:59,800 here you know and and to see that lack of disrespect and and the privilege that 425 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:03,480 some people think they have when they get 426 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:09,440 elected it it's it's unfortunate that we have to go this right so you know I'm 427 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:14,640 all for it we have to it's mandated but you know they talk about trickle down 428 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:19,520 economic economy you know this trickle down effects for leadership too when you 429 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:24,920 get a speaker in the House of Commons getting heckled and part of his speech 430 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:29,640 is about the lack of decorum and heckling in the house this is federal 431 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:37,119 and then you see all this stuff going on in Municipal it's just unfortunate so I 432 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:41,079 know we have to have it and that's the way it is but it's just 433 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:47,440 too bad thank you Martin and to be clear 434 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:52,240 that 40,000 was not here in South Gate no no no just so everybody's clear on 435 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,240 that 436 00:38:52,720 --> 00:39:01,920 part okay oh sorry Jason actually that was one of my questions 437 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:08,000 what do we spend a years it uh through you mayor Mel so they do have an annual 438 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:12,200 retainer which is $1,200 and then um if they get a call or have to do an 439 00:39:10,359 --> 00:39:16,280 investigation then they charge an hourly rate unfortunately I can't predict that 440 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,440 because it's just how much the service is used and I don't get a whole lot of 441 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:25,319 details because it's U maintained confidential between whoever's calling 442 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:31,079 and the Integrity commissioner but um it it just depends we get ly bills if they 443 00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:36,079 are uh contacted or need to do any work then we receive them monthly but we can 444 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:40,160 count on the annual retainer and uh that's about all I all I know until I 445 00:39:38,359 --> 00:39:45,200 get a bill if I get one what in the past have we spent a year roughly or I was 446 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:49,680 just curious that was um I think probably for this year I'm projecting 447 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:54,599 for the end of the year it'll be around probably closer to 448 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:58,599 5,000 and that would include our uh we did an annual we did the training when 449 00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:03,440 they came back in whichever month that was March maybe I don't know when that 450 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,440 was but 451 00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:12,119 yeah okay Barb through you are we charged when we consult with the 452 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:16,599 Integrity commissioner on whether or not we have a conflict of interest or is 453 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:24,680 that covered by the retainer so if I send an email as per the process I 454 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:29,000 explain the subject matter and I get a response there is an extra charge for 455 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:35,720 that yeah so everything basically is is charged yeah their hour their hourly 456 00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:41,599 rate the hourly rate is 275 an hour if I read the report correctly so in some 457 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:48,760 respects that's not too bad you know in terms of legal fees right yeah Joan you 458 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:54,560 have a question go ahead thank you Mr Mayor through you uh so Lindsay you said 459 00:40:51,319 --> 00:41:00,319 uh it would be about $5,000 for this year is it comparable to last year or 460 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:05,200 more or less I'd honestly have to look councelor 461 00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:09,920 John I would say it's it's probably a little bit more but that's uh to be 462 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:16,319 expected with a new term of council for sure like in 2022 it was outgoing for 463 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:19,119 most of the year so I it's usually to be expected with a newer 464 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:27,800 term thank you L say yep okay any other questions not seeing any I'll call 465 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:33,200 question all those in favor that is carried thank you very 466 00:41:30,359 --> 00:41:37,760 much the next item is the bylaw related to the proceeding report uh to appoint 467 00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:43,319 the Integrity commissioner for the four-year term someone care to move that 468 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:47,319 Jim seconded by Jason any discussion Lindsay anything to add regarding the 469 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:52,720 bylaw no okay yeah I'll call the question all those in 470 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:57,040 favor that is carried thank you very much uh the next report from the clerk 471 00:41:55,240 --> 00:42:01,160 is regarding the milang Township Recreation services agreement renewal 472 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:06,240 someone care to move that please Joan seconded by Jim thank you 473 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,119 mam clerk um I don't have a whole lot to add 474 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:15,760 here I'm glad Kevin's still here if you have questions uh the agreements pretty 475 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:19,720 much the same as uh the one we've had the last couple years so we're renewing 476 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,800 for another uh four-year term um I don't know if Kevin has 477 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:29,319 anything to add absolutely Kevin you want to uh not the agreement it's a good 478 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:35,800 agreement for Minkin and us uh the numberers certainly decreasing in the 479 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:42,040 usage from meenon um with the change of the demographics and everything going on 480 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:48,920 there the actual um percentage is pro is now they're paying in around 6% not not 481 00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:54,440 the 10 because of the Capp uh contribution but um they question 482 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:58,920 numbers and everything said look at you're you're 6% now and that's probably 483 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:05,119 pretty close on the numbers without going through a whole big research and I 484 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:11,119 think they come back happy at that is that uh is the agreement subject 485 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:16,280 to inflationary increases or is it strictly 486 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:22,319 a negotiated number it was never in there before we 487 00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:26,680 never increased it annually we've increasing our rates annually to keep 488 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:32,400 that right okay good thank you anyone else have any 489 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:39,359 questions Martin go ahead Kevin you said meanin there the numbers are down is 490 00:43:35,319 --> 00:43:45,160 that primarily Arena use or is it you know are they going to shelburn or 491 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:49,480 whatever so originally this agreement was on just the arena usage and 492 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:55,680 unfortunately when dundock and flusher an Amalgamated minor hockey that took 493 00:43:53,280 --> 00:44:00,800 Meenan kind of out of the area so most of their their children or youth that 494 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,160 are in in meanin are now going to Honeywood or shelburn some are still 495 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:10,839 coming our way but um a lot of the Farms are now minates 496 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:17,359 they don't have an urban population there that's playing sports so uh 497 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:24,119 without going through actual numbers and tracking everybody um I I think they're 498 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:31,119 pretty happy with this but they do also pay into the parks and w in the pool so 499 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:36,920 they do get usage in there but it's at 6% that's probably an accurate 500 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:41,559 representation now with our subdivision coming in and the number of kids youth 501 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:46,240 using their facilities thank you good thank you 502 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:54,040 Kevin any other questions Monica yes thank you just 503 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:58,319 through you chair to um Kevin uh for recreation um just with regards to a 504 00:44:56,119 --> 00:45:00,839 long-standing partnership is commendable that the township of Southgate has 505 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:06,079 maintained such a long-standing partnership with mington with that being 506 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:10,000 said um there are there was already some comments about the positive outcomes 507 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:14,200 resulting from this partnership was there any other further highlights that 508 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:18,359 uh Kevin you may want to touch on just for you know speaking to the 509 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:21,480 collaboration over the years and why it's been such a notable 510 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,400 success I would say the success is just based on 511 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,800 the fact that meenon is a smaller municipality and they don't have the 512 00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:38,720 infrastructure so they've bought into our infrastructure they also pay into 513 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:44,440 shelburn they also pay into Honeywood and uh some of the other 514 00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:47,520 facilities and costs are getting you know higher and higher and higher 515 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:56,760 they've been happy that we've been able to maintain our operating deficit uh in 516 00:45:51,599 --> 00:46:01,240 10 years it's it's only gone up from 95 uh 995 517 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:08,160 100,000 to 130,000 so we've only gone up 518 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:14,440 $35,000 in 10 years as some of the other facilities of you know depending on how 519 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:21,319 you manage it deficits or differ in each facility so I think they're happy with 520 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:24,800 the way we operate wonderful thank you thank you Kevin thank you for the 521 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,040 question Monica anyone else I would think it would be fair to 522 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:33,520 state that over the years and we have our own experiences here in Southgate 523 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:40,680 it's generally always cheaper to buy Services than it is to provide them 524 00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:44,960 directly so it works well for both municipalities okay not seeing any 525 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,480 further questions I'll call the question all those in 526 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:51,920 favor that is carried thank you very much the next item is the bylaw related 527 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:58,400 to that agreement um someone care to move J uh 528 00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:03,280 Jim rather uh Monica will second that anything further regarding the bylaw 529 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:08,720 nope not seeing any all those in favor that is carried thank you very 530 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:16,640 much thank you Lindsay thank you Kevin uh human resources manager kayb 531 00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:21,599 best is Kayla she is online There She is welcome Kayla this is a report regarding 532 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:28,480 staff step increases and cost of living allowance someone care to move this 533 00:47:24,359 --> 00:47:33,640 please Martin and Joan thank you Kayla the floor is yours 534 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:38,559 welcome thank you uh I don't have too much to say on this report this is our 535 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:42,559 annual report that we uh bring to council regarding our pay grid and our 536 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:46,559 staff step increases so we've gone through the new performance appraisal 537 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:52,359 process and we have recommended step increases in there and then also Cola 538 00:47:50,280 --> 00:48:01,400 which is the cost of living um we use the October number it came in at 2 539 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:05,599 286 so rounded to the nearest 10th is 3.3% so that's a recommendation that's 540 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:09,240 in the report thank you kale and I'm sure it 541 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,920 was just a slip of the tongue but I think you meant 542 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:19,200 3.2 for the cola you said two sorry three 3. 543 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:24,640 286 okay good excellent um any 544 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:29,000 questions Jason 545 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,160 um Here We Go Again everybody will be thinking but uh it's just something I 546 00:48:31,319 --> 00:48:37,920 know we do it every time this year but I mean we've just approved half of our 547 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:43,319 budget we're going to approve this I don't know just seems like a lot 548 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:48,839 before we've got the budget done to you know if it I have no idea what the 549 00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:52,880 budget's going to come in at so I don't know just a question are we jumping the 550 00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:57,599 gun until we know what our numbers are going to be I don't know who that's too 551 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:57,599 but 552 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:06,040 Kayla I believe the reason we do this ahead of time is because it's effective 553 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:13,520 January 1 so we need to be able to get everything in line for staff 554 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:18,040 um it's general practice for us I don't know if Dena has any comments on top of 555 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:22,640 that Dina I can't comment on historically 556 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:27,799 what what the township has done but it seems like this is an annual report that 557 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:33,280 we bring forward in order to um you know make sure that our payroll processes are 558 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:41,839 all up to date as of January 1st um you'll notice when you we approved 559 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:46,799 half the operating um budget and that's typical half of 2023 is operating budget 560 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:52,359 is what we approved going forward and that should be an annual thing that we 561 00:49:48,839 --> 00:49:57,559 do so that of January 1st um Services aren't diminished we should be 562 00:49:54,319 --> 00:50:04,599 continuing those services so um as far as the capital um our process um changed 563 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:11,319 a bit this year um just to add in those those um specific projects the ecopark 564 00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:15,200 specifically is a large amount a huge project probably the largest project the 565 00:50:13,319 --> 00:50:19,359 township has ever done but that's not hitting the tax base so we don't need to 566 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:24,799 worry about that hitting the tax base um but I think typically this is um an 567 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:30,280 important um report to bring forward in order that's the staff that have done 568 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:35,640 their jobs throughout the year and are are moving forward to their next step in 569 00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:39,160 their grid um get that approval and uh that the cola is adjusted um 570 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:44,440 appropriately every year thank you Di and and I will note 571 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:50,839 that the policy does say that the uh changes take effect as of January 1 um 572 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:55,079 so to Kayla's point this is something we've done every year in the past and so 573 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,720 that that's the reason why it's done the way it is if Council wishes to make 574 00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:04,760 changes to that policy then of course they're you know that's a prerogative 575 00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:10,640 Council to change that policy but that's the reason why it's done the way it 576 00:51:06,839 --> 00:51:17,040 is any other questions Martin thank you Brian uh first off a 577 00:51:13,799 --> 00:51:21,520 comment uh Dina you touched on it the fact that there are 38 employees that 578 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:25,920 have met or exceeded that's that could be in the good news part of the agenda 579 00:51:24,359 --> 00:51:31,920 is that's good news uh Kayla reading the staff comments you 580 00:51:28,839 --> 00:51:37,799 mentioned employees that not are not eligible are are at a job rate what kind 581 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:43,760 of what kind of worker is in involved in that part of your comments uh not on the 582 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:50,799 pay Grid at Job rate I've never seen that before quite 583 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:55,799 frankly yes uh thank you so our pay grid is uh goes up to step six which is 584 00:51:53,400 --> 00:52:00,760 considered job rate so those that have been with the municipality for a long 585 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:05,760 time are at their job rate so they would just get the cola increase they wouldn't 586 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:12,000 get a step increase in addition to the cola thank you okay thank you 587 00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:19,000 Barb thank you through you thank you Kayla the um the consequence of not 588 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:23,880 imposing this now or implementing this now would be that once the budget is 589 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:29,079 approved and our policy is that we Implement Cola a 590 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:35,920 minimum it would be a requirement to go retroactive to January 1 and that 591 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:41,280 creates more Administration and and uh confusion sometimes I I did want to 592 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:47,280 refer to the financial implications the 593 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:52,559 impact without the user fee wages so when we collect user fees to um I would 594 00:52:51,240 --> 00:53:00,440 I'm assuming that's like water and wastewater staff it the impact is 595 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,440 193,194 596 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:16,200 of the levy was about 140,000 so this would be about 1.2 an 597 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:20,599 impact to the budget of 1.2% overall I'm I'm throwing numbers out 598 00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:26,520 there and sorry I just did the math in on my piece of paper thank 599 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:31,839 you uh the calculation for this year's 1% hasn't been done yet um but I believe 600 00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:38,520 you're correct in last year it was about 150 was 1% if anyone wants to correct me 601 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,520 feel free 602 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:46,680 but Taylor did you have anything you wanted to add or no I agree with Deon 603 00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:46,680 okay thank you any other 604 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:54,799 questions okay I'll call the question all those in 605 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:58,680 favor sorry May sorry did oh sorry I thought I heard 606 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:04,839 did you have a question Monica I did and I think maybe Kayla had a 607 00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:10,040 comment sorry I know so it's a little all right Monica go ahead with your 608 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:14,599 question oh sure I I don't mind uh Mr uh chair but I don't know if Kayla she had 609 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:18,640 a comment to the last point so I don't want to jump ahead of her 610 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:24,400 sorry maybe maybe you'll answer Monica's question sure yes thank you I just 611 00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:28,040 wanted to say yes it's water and waste water for the user but it's also the 612 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,040 building 613 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:38,559 department okay thank you Kayla Monica your question yes thank you uh thank you 614 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:42,480 chair for that um just two questions uh and I'll ask them one by one because one 615 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:47,760 might answer the other um just for the cola increase and the application uh 616 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:52,720 with the recommended 3.3% Cola increase to the entire pay grid including those 617 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:56,720 on probation I was just through you chair could the staff provide insights 618 00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:00,480 into how how does Cola increase aligns with a broader economic context and 619 00:54:58,799 --> 00:55:04,559 whether it adequately addresses the cost of living for employees in the 620 00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:18,200 region who would like to take a run at that one Kayla I could try sure it's a 621 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:26,799 good question so we do use the uh Ontario October CPI to try and stay in 622 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:32,000 line with where uh the economy is however we are also completing that 623 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:35,400 market check as so that will be separate and that will just make sure that we 624 00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:40,880 stay in line as well okay thank you for that and just a 625 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:45,799 quick followup yep please just with regards to the council and volunteer 626 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:50,960 firefighter pay grids which to the point of a CAO was talking about the pay grids 627 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:54,640 just through you chair again um it's noted that it applies again uh to 628 00:55:52,839 --> 00:55:58,440 council and volunteer firefighter pay grids so 629 00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:03,400 so could staff provide information on how the cola increase for Council aligns 630 00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:07,000 with comparable municipalities ensuring that it remains competitive for the 631 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,520 role 632 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:21,839 Dan um I believe that we could do another Market check on 633 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:28,119 Council wages if that's what council wishes for staff to do um 634 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:34,000 I they were in line when we checked last time and I'm not sure if everybody uses 635 00:56:31,319 --> 00:56:38,880 Cola to update the wages the the way that we've agreed to do so I think this 636 00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:43,720 keeps us in line but I can't say for sure yeah I'm thinking we did just do a 637 00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:49,400 a comparative study not that long ago didn't we 638 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:54,960 Kayla yeah so yes regardless of the 3.3 or whatever percent it is uh I think 639 00:56:52,119 --> 00:57:00,520 we're going to remain pretty close to where our competitors are our 640 00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:06,240 comparables are at um most use Cola because it's a it's an easy way to try 641 00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:11,599 to stay in line so I would think we're going to be uh not too far off um did 642 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:17,599 you have a question Barb go ahead more of a just a comment or a little bit more 643 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:24,200 of a history Kayla did a market check analysis last year at the tradition is 644 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:29,880 that the outgoing Council reviews the remuneration 645 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:35,160 for the incoming Council and as a result of that market check analysis there were 646 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:41,440 significant changes to our to the council pay grid uh the stippen was 647 00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:50,599 increased as well as the individual per Dums for half and full day so um the 648 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:57,760 cost of living was also through Kayla's report uh recommended as a an annual 649 00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:03,200 increase so just to keep it competitive but it was compared if I'm not mistaken 650 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:08,599 Kayla that uh Market check analysis was done in around August September in 651 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:14,839 around the summertime so that it could be implemented before the election and 652 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:22,760 the the the neighboring municipalities were all considered we were not the 653 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:29,079 least paid Council but we uh um there are several that actually have a flat 654 00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:35,039 rate like Wellington Wellington North that certainly is paid quite a bit less 655 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:42,160 thank you yeah everybody tries to get to that 55 U percent 656 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:46,839 off thank you okay any further questions okay I'll call the question 657 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:50,359 all those in favor opposed if 658 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:58,119 any okay that's carried moving on to Public Works 659 00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:03,920 manager Jim Ellis who is not here today but he has a couple reports the first is 660 00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:08,240 the standing uh Timber award recommendations John Watson's online 661 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:15,160 he's going to take this report I understand but I need a move into second 662 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:15,160 or first for this Jason and Barb welcome 663 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:31,039 John there we go thank you mayor mil yep uh yeah so we put forward a tender we 664 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:35,880 had Eckles forestry Mark some of our standing Timber 665 00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:43,799 forests and he we put out a tender through echles forestry and the proposed 666 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:49,119 winning bids for property number one is Bamberg 667 00:59:45,319 --> 00:59:49,119 Sawmill uh for a total of 668 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:59,960 9,550 uh proposed winner for property two would be Tri Bridges for a total of 669 00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:06,240 $30,000 and the winning proposed winning bid for property number three is Pine 670 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,240 View Cedar Products uh 671 01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:33,319 $22759 successful biders have to complete the 672 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:36,200 work I believe it's in the tender I can't remember the exact wordage but I 673 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,839 believe it has to be completed throughout this 674 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,440 winter thank 675 01:00:43,319 --> 01:00:50,200 you I would think uh a lot of those properties you wouldn't be able to do 676 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:55,920 them unless the ground was frozen so I suspect it'll be done this winter for 677 01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:59,280 sure yeah any other questions not seeing any I'll call the question 678 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:04,799 all those in favor that is 679 01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:09,119 carried and John the next report you have is regarding the bulk water Filling 680 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:18,760 Station award recommendation someone care to move that please Jim and Joan 681 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:22,079 John uh and John it's almost a the triple JS right on 682 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:31,720 good uh so with the um bringing the water tower online we're 683 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:37,880 wanting to install a bulk water Filling Station there um currently there's a lot 684 01:01:34,839 --> 01:01:41,680 of contractors that um do directional drilling or stuff like that that require 685 01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:47,599 bulk water and we've just had them hooking on the fire hydrants in the past 686 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:53,200 but there's no good backflow PR prevention to protect our water source 687 01:01:51,279 --> 01:01:58,000 um and also not a good way of filling them for 688 01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:05,839 it so by putting in this bulk water Filling Station um we would be able to 689 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:11,920 protect our water source as well as um Bill the contractors or whoever comes to 690 01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,920 get the water 691 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:24,960 um properly um so any there was three bids and the one that we're recommending 692 01:02:19,799 --> 01:02:27,640 is through scg Pro process sure fill for a total of 693 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:38,400 $583 thank you John any questions Jason just wondering John do we have any 694 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:42,000 estimation of what we think we'll sell in a year 695 01:02:39,799 --> 01:02:49,200 or that I couldn't tell you Jason I'm not sure no I just 696 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:55,440 wanted it likely just be a splash of money oh or droing the bucket 697 01:02:53,079 --> 01:03:00,839 yeah we might might be all wet on that estimate 698 01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:04,960 though okay we'll stop I'll stop anyway you have I have one more but I'm not 699 01:03:02,319 --> 01:03:09,559 going to mention it uh Derek would you be using this facility and would our 700 01:03:07,319 --> 01:03:14,720 partners of other fire departments be using it quick quickly to fill up or 701 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:19,279 we're gonna charge them double through the May no we we wouldn't 702 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:23,720 be using that we have access to the fire hydrant and I think what this is coming 703 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:28,440 in is for those individuals maybe the street sweep or something that they have 704 01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:31,760 to get water that way um we're allowed obviously to use the hydrants and we're 705 01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:36,839 not billing any residents for water we use for fire suppression 706 01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:43,279 so good answer any other 707 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:46,839 questions mark uh Monica yes thank you just through you chair um just 708 01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:53,760 considering like the long-term maintenance um outlined in the Southgate 709 01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:57,880 strategic plan uh just wondering um what are the main maintenance requirements 710 01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:02,880 for the selected shill system and additionally what would the ongoing 711 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:06,520 costs or considerations related to the system maintenance look 712 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:12,240 like John 713 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:16,520 um I can't answer that completely Monica I'm sorry but I I can't really see there 714 01:04:14,359 --> 01:04:23,960 being a whole lot of Maintenance to it um it would just be part of the regular 715 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:27,480 uh water Department's checks every day um and as far as the Billing System I 716 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:32,599 can't speak to that sorry I don't know and just have a 717 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:36,279 followup if that's okay yep go ahead please and thank you through you chair 718 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:40,200 and just to you John absolutely I mean in time things will you know more 719 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:44,640 information can come available so thank you for for answering that and just for 720 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:49,119 the interface just to touch on the point of various contractors that would 721 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:54,240 possibly be using it uh I just wanted to ensure that would there be like training 722 01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:59,319 and educational programs planned for users to familiarize themselves uh with 723 01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:07,000 the new system is that like a big undertaking for understanding how to 724 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:11,880 operate I can't see it being a a much of an undertaking um most municipalities 725 01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:17,039 around this area that have a water system have one of these bulk filling 726 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:20,200 water stations already so it should be fairly common place for any contractors 727 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:25,480 that would be using them they'd probably be familiar with them already um but it 728 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:31,559 shouldn't be a whole lot to show them how to do it either perfect okay thank 729 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:35,599 you thank you Monica thank you John any further 730 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:39,119 questions I'll call the question all those in 731 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:44,160 favor that is carried thank you very much 732 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:48,640 John um I see it's 5 after 10 why don't we take a five or 10 minute break we'll 733 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:52,839 come back at 11 or 105 so we'll recess for 10 734 01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:56,079 minutes 735 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:32,000 okay we'll uh we'll bring the meeting back to 736 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:39,040 order we have some bylaws and and motions to uh go through uh the first is 737 01:13:35,239 --> 01:13:39,040 the bylaw to adopt the fees and 738 01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:44,679 charges Joan and Monica are you 739 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:55,840 online Jan's here okay I guess I started maybe a little minute too soon so we'll 740 01:13:53,800 --> 01:14:01,280 just wait until Monica comes back online or till quarter after thank you Brena 741 01:13:59,639 --> 01:14:05,880 take care oh 742 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:14,480 yeah yeah Lindsay's bringing cake apparently 743 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:14,480 so oh bringing cake for their 744 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,280 Christmas 745 01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:50,120 back to order first is our bylaw to adopt the fees and 746 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:54,760 charges is there a mover for that bylaw Jim and Barb will second that 747 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:59,560 any discussion 748 01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:03,480 Barb I actually just to comment I was actually going to suggest that we 749 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:08,080 because we just had the public meeting and we were going to pass the bylaw in 750 01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:13,880 the same meeting but um the fact that we did advertise it in the paper on social 751 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:20,760 media on the website I think we've we've satisfied that need so thank you thank 752 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,760 you bar any other questions 753 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:29,800 comments okay all those in favor that is carried thank you very 754 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:34,000 much the next is to appoint our treasur Taylor 755 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:39,000 McMahon someone care to move that please Jason and Martin thank you any 756 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:47,880 discussion all those in favor that is carried congratulations welcome 757 01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:58,960 again there's no backing out now the next by law is to appoint an 758 01:15:55,080 --> 01:16:08,520 enforcement officer Hannah M Hannah kums is there a mover for that Martin and 759 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:16,280 Joan thank you any discussion call a question all those in 760 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:21,400 favor that is carried and again as well U welcome to 761 01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:26,920 Hannah uh notice a motion we have a couple here the first is from councelor 762 01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:33,040 sorus uh related to uh request to attend the Roma conference in 763 01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:37,480 2024 someone oh uh Monica you'll move that notice a motion please yes thank 764 01:16:35,159 --> 01:16:41,880 you is there a second or Martin uh Monica do you wish to speak to 765 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:51,480 it you are muted ma'am how's that is that working there 766 01:16:48,679 --> 01:16:55,920 we go yeah you're with us now thank you thank you so much uh and through you 767 01:16:53,440 --> 01:17:00,920 chair um I don't have too much to add it's just pretty much the Roma 768 01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:05,000 conference that is happening in January I'm part of the smart committee so they 769 01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:10,199 are they have submitted a delegation and they are looking to have 770 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:15,600 representation there uh so it's pretty self-explanatory I I believe just to 771 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:20,679 have approval to attend and I think it would be 772 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:24,840 beneficial okay thank you any questions from 773 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:30,880 Council oh oh Barb go ahead so I just wanted to clarify um 774 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:35,120 through you to councelor singur the smart committee is that being that 775 01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:40,400 delegation request going through another municipality because I wasn't aware that 776 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:44,920 smart could actually request its own delegation I believe it might be Aeron 777 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:49,960 Elders Ley that might be submitting that request for the gas tax it's quite 778 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,639 possible yes I just know that they're from the committee point of view that 779 01:17:51,199 --> 01:18:01,280 they're requesting for the committee to be there as to who is submitting that 780 01:17:57,159 --> 01:18:07,080 it's possible so is is the delegation request regarding the gas tax yes okay 781 01:18:04,639 --> 01:18:12,840 thank you and so I just wanted to clarify through the 782 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:17,239 clerk um the budget the the numbers that I get from going from November 1st to 783 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:24,440 last meeting we have done great work in 784 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:32,800 reducing our budget from about 4,670 to about 785 01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:37,760 2,843 so the addition of this my my understanding is is that councelor sing 786 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:44,520 Sor you're asking to go to three conferences which would total about 787 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:48,320 $9,200 and that will increase the budget at a minimum to about 788 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:56,800 28,000 through uh you mayor M with yeah without doing the math that that would 789 01:18:53,199 --> 01:19:00,960 seem about right okay thank you the delegation could also be going 790 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:06,440 through the town of Handover because they are the designated uh treasur for 791 01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:12,159 the smart uh 792 01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:14,760 business okay uh any further questions all those in 793 01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:23,120 favor opposed if any that is 794 01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:27,239 carried uh the next is uh count coun shipston has a notice a motion regarding 795 01:19:24,679 --> 01:19:30,560 the national anthem uh Martin I presume you'll move that thank you is there a 796 01:19:29,719 --> 01:19:38,480 second or Jason Martin do you wish to speak to 797 01:19:33,719 --> 01:19:44,000 it please well it's kind of microphone bad for that today the jar is getting 798 01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:49,239 filmed um yeah it was kind of fortuitous that Lindsay put a a report in about the 799 01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:55,600 Integrity commissioner and all that stuff about lack of decorum and respect 800 01:19:52,520 --> 01:20:02,199 I think would just be a good symbol to do in just for the council 801 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:06,080 meetings uh I think if you come in come into the meeting knowing that you're 802 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:10,679 part of a greater good you you could have a mindset change that you're not 803 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:15,400 here for yourself you're here for the public good and I was thinking about 804 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:21,600 this last night and I recalled a a a phrase in John F Kennedy's one of 805 01:20:19,719 --> 01:20:27,199 his speeches where he I'm gonna paraphrase it but 806 01:20:23,719 --> 01:20:33,000 the essence is still the same it's it's not what the township can do for 807 01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:38,360 you but what you can do for the township and I think that if we have 808 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:44,679 that humble approach and which we do have here I think doing the national 809 01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:50,280 anthem before would just be a a positive so that's basically it and with the 810 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:56,199 Brena being going away uh there's no reason being virtual and visual that we 811 01:20:53,159 --> 01:21:01,480 could have a little vignette of the flag and little scenes of Southgate 812 01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:06,000 too and I'm not saying we sing it because we get don't get that many 813 01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:11,360 viewers on YouTube we don't want to lose any but having it where we actually 814 01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:16,679 stand for the anthem would be a good thing I think yeah no absolutely and I 815 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:21,320 will note that that was part of the hiring process that Taylor had to lead 816 01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:26,440 us in the national anthem yeah absolutely no I'm kidding is 817 01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:30,440 that a financial ter I I think it's a great idea the county does it uh a lot 818 01:21:28,639 --> 01:21:34,320 of other municipalities do do the national anthem at the start of the 819 01:21:31,639 --> 01:21:40,360 meeting so I think it's a great idea so uh any uh any further 820 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:45,880 questions Jason I think it's a great idea too I just wonder do we we used to 821 01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:49,239 do it here years ago didn't they or I I remember coming to meeting I just 822 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:54,080 wondered yeah I I don't recall sgate ever doing it at one time we did recite 823 01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:57,120 the Lord's Prayer same as the county and a lot of other municipalities but of 824 01:21:55,560 --> 01:22:02,639 course we're not allowed to do that anymore uh but I don't recall the Anthem 825 01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:06,719 being played younger it it could have been years ago I wouldn't be surprised 826 01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:11,440 it could have been God Save the Queen too who knows yeah of course it be the 827 01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:18,120 king now Barb thank you I agree with uh councelor 828 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:24,000 shipston and councelor rice I I actually had this earmarked for maybe a 829 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:31,239 2024 uh request it's been on my mind so thank you Martin for bringing it forward 830 01:22:25,639 --> 01:22:34,840 and I I support it 100% okay Monica yes just through you chair just want to Echo 831 01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:38,560 the comments that's already been made councelor sh shipston thank you for 832 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:46,040 bringing this forward and I'm all for it uh for our national anthem and uh yeah I 833 01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:51,440 I would fully support this okay John thank you Mr Mayor thank you 834 01:22:49,159 --> 01:22:54,560 councelor shipon I'm in as long as I don't have to sing 835 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,360 well perhaps you could just 836 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:05,960 hum okay uh I'll call the question all those in 837 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:11,360 favor that is carried thank you very much moving on to the uh consent agenda 838 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:16,440 we have the regular business there are four items there would anybody request 839 01:23:13,719 --> 01:23:23,520 any of those removed for further discussion someone care to move those 840 01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:29,520 four might items be uh approved for receiving uh Barb second and by Martin 841 01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:34,840 thank you all those in favor that is carried thank you the next 842 01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:39,159 section is correspondence for information there are three items there 843 01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:43,440 would anyone wish any of those removed for further 844 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:50,080 discussion someone care to move them being received Barb seconded by Jason 845 01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:56,159 thank you Monica did you have a question are 846 01:23:51,120 --> 01:24:00,800 you okay good just second it yep okay Barb question just to to comment the 847 01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:06,080 multi-municipal energy working group used to be I believe the multi-municipal 848 01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:10,239 wind turbine working group and it is Led Out of gry Highlands with a number of 849 01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:14,679 municipalities that are on board it's interesting that this information is 850 01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:22,400 coming forward during this time of all of these uh projects for energy storage 851 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:27,080 that is um going on in a number of municipalities so I uh I I found them a 852 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:30,520 very interesting read right they're a dollar short and a day late here in 853 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:35,040 Southgate but nonetheless uh there's a lot of information there excellent okay 854 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:40,040 I'll call the question all those in favor of receiving these that is carried 855 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:45,440 thank you the next is resolutions from other 856 01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:50,000 municipalities Barb pull I'd like to pull 857 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:53,840 12.3.2 okay is there any other uh requests for items to be removed there's 858 01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:59,080 quite a list of them there not seeing any I'll ask the 859 01:24:56,719 --> 01:25:04,360 balance them to be received someone care to move that please Jason seconded by 860 01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:11,239 Monica thank you all those in favor that is carried so we might as 861 01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:17,840 well deal with 12.3.2 right now as we that will finish the consent items so 862 01:25:13,719 --> 01:25:24,280 Barb which uh what what would be your uh request thank you mayor M and thank you 863 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,280 um 864 01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:30,960 I would like to pull 12.3.2 and move a resolution to receive 865 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:35,600 it for information um it's regarding violence 866 01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:39,280 against women specifically intimate partner 867 01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:45,080 violence and the resolution uh would be to I just removed 868 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:51,679 the whereas Clauses from the duffern county resolution and updated the uh be 869 01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:56,040 it resolved Clauses to include the township of Southgate the um the 870 01:25:54,520 --> 01:26:01,199 township of Southgate support the resolution of duffern County and attach 871 01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:04,760 it with the following now therefore be it resolved that the township of 872 01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:08,560 Southgate hereby join other Municipal and Regional councils in officially 873 01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:15,000 declaring intimate partner violence and epidemic as per recommendation number 874 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:19,159 one from the culliton kuusik and warom inquest and be it further resolved 875 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:23,840 that the township of Southgate recommends that gender-based violence an 876 01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:27,960 intimate partner violence be declared an epidemic excuse me in the province of 877 01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:31,280 Ontario and that the township of Southgate requests that the Federation 878 01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:35,440 of Canadian municipalities the association of on municipalities of 879 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:40,239 Ontario and all municipalities and regions in Ontario declare gender-based 880 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:44,199 violence and intimate partner violence and epidemic and that the township of 881 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:48,159 Southgate requests that the provincial and federal governments enact the 882 01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:53,119 additional 85 recommendations from the ckw inquest which provides a road map to 883 01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:56,560 preventing intimate partner violence from escalating to 884 01:26:54,639 --> 01:27:00,199 femicide and that the township of Southgate requests that the federal 885 01:26:58,119 --> 01:27:05,280 government starts this enactment by adding the word femicide as a term to 886 01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:08,400 the criminal code of Canada and that the township of Southgate requests that the 887 01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:12,080 provincial and federal governments provide the necessary support to 888 01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:15,760 municipalities regions and their emergency and Social Services to 889 01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:19,760 meaningfully address the gender-based violence and intimate partner violence 890 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:23,719 epidemic and that the clerk be directed to send a copy of this motion to The 891 01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:27,679 Honorable premier of Ontario Doug Ford the right honorable prime minister of 892 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:31,440 Canada Justin Trudeau members of parliament members of provincial 893 01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:34,320 Parliament the United Nations Amo and all Ontario 894 01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:42,600 municipalities okay thank you is there yep thank you is there a seconder for 895 01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:47,119 that motion Monica thank you any discussion 896 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:52,719 Martin uh yeah I I agree with this it's been coming on the news lately uh quite 897 01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:57,159 often and you know you have uh a pandemic you have an epidemic and you 898 01:27:54,639 --> 01:28:01,600 have endemic endemic is something that's been around a long time and I think 899 01:27:59,480 --> 01:28:06,239 because of the pandemic and all the stuff that's going on it show it shows 900 01:28:03,719 --> 01:28:10,719 the flaws that we have in our system and this is just coming being more out there 901 01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:15,480 because it's it's just being more forceful so 902 01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:19,360 it's something to really look at I think it's been there forever but because of 903 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:27,199 the pandemic and all the mental health issues and stuff it's uh coming to a 904 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:33,679 head okay thank you any yeah go ahead Barb it is just a coincidence that this 905 01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:38,639 is the national day of remembrance um that that this is coming forward there 906 01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:44,000 are a number of resolutions out there they've been coming for a number of 907 01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:49,239 months now they'll continue to come um what I did read in the paper is that and 908 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:55,760 through our Women's Center in Owens sound the the difficulties is that 909 01:28:53,400 --> 01:29:01,480 intimate Partners whether whatever gender but intimate partners are faced 910 01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:08,040 with the rising cost of housing the unavailability of affordable housing the 911 01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:16,000 being locked down with you know abusive spouses um it has increased and they 912 01:29:12,199 --> 01:29:22,159 average about 50 deaths a year to intimate partner violence so I thought 913 01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:27,440 that with the timing was coincidental but appropriate thank you absolutely 914 01:29:28,679 --> 01:29:36,159 Monica sorry yes thank you uh just through you chair um I was looking to 915 01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:41,320 also uh pull this so thank you deputy mayor for pulling that uh and just with 916 01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:47,639 my years working um in Social Services and seeing this firsthand I am very um 917 01:29:45,159 --> 01:29:51,560 happy to support it and in declaring gender based violence and intimate 918 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:56,719 partner violence as an epidemic in different County um and the resolution 919 01:29:54,520 --> 01:30:01,119 cannot be overstated as it does address the critical issues that directly 920 01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:07,199 impacts the safety and well-being of our community uh so I just wanted to Echo 921 01:30:04,679 --> 01:30:12,760 that I stand in solidarity um advocating for a safer more secure community and 922 01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:18,360 I'm looking forward to seeing improvements in this area so just wanted 923 01:30:14,679 --> 01:30:25,280 to add that thank you thank you Monica Joan thank you mayor Mill to the chair 924 01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:31,239 uh working as a social consult development officer right now and 925 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:36,360 working in the system on a daily basis it's often times pain me to point out 926 01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:43,320 that gender-based violence has been on the rise and it's great um Deputy Mayor 927 01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:48,719 dubrin that we're going forward with this resolution because we we can do 928 01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:55,040 more than just remember and every day we're fighting for safety Justice 929 01:30:50,920 --> 01:31:00,520 equality presentation and recognition so this is really a good thing and as 930 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:04,679 somebody who work with it on a daily basis I can tell you that this is very 931 01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:11,040 important that we're pulling this forward thank you thank you John any 932 01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:15,000 other questions comments okay I'll call the question all 933 01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:19,320 those in favor that is carried thank you very 934 01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:26,480 much thank you Barb we have no closed session regarding 935 01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:31,960 uh consent items County report um website is there um we had a bit of a 936 01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:37,159 session last night up in Gray County just a little one yeah the uh well Barb 937 01:31:35,639 --> 01:31:43,920 you go ahead no I don't well I was reelected as 938 01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:49,040 warden so I'm I'm I'm pretty uh I'm pretty uh excited about that it's a it's 939 01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:52,800 a great the media asked me what why a second year and I said well two reasons 940 01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:58,040 one it's love the job and uh the uh the second reason is 941 01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:03,080 because it's a great Council and a great staff to work with and uh I suppose I'll 942 01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:06,920 add a third it I have a lot of support here at the local level and I I noted 943 01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:10,080 that in the warden's address that uh the staff and the council here have been 944 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:14,000 very supportive and I appreciate that I really do it's h it's not easy to be a 945 01:32:12,119 --> 01:32:18,639 million places at once although I wouldn't suggest I'm that 946 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:23,639 busy but there are times when uh Deputy Mayor debrin steps in and does official 947 01:32:21,239 --> 01:32:29,480 duties for for me and I appreciate that so there how's that go ahead excellent I 948 01:32:27,119 --> 01:32:34,560 just wanted to extend our my congratulations um our 949 01:32:31,639 --> 01:32:42,560 congratulations uh it is uh it is an exciting time and to be a claimed no one 950 01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:45,920 stood against you so congratulations well it's either that or nobody else 951 01:32:43,639 --> 01:32:51,080 wants the job well there is that too there is that too I did want to mention 952 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:57,440 that the County Council will be meeting on Friday 953 01:32:52,639 --> 01:33:02,639 to hopefully tackle the budget again yep any anyone have any questions Rel 954 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:10,920 related to County Business okay members privilege anybody 955 01:33:07,159 --> 01:33:16,119 have any items they wish to uh chat about Monica go ahead I was going to uh 956 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:24,199 but I think that I'll keep it for the next council meeting okay thank 957 01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:28,360 you oh Martin Oh Martin go ahead uh Christmas parade how sorry I missed the 958 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:33,119 dundock one but the Holstein ones this Saturday usually good it's grown where 959 01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:37,960 maybe went 50 feet high the side of the bridge to one highway to the next for 960 01:33:35,639 --> 01:33:41,639 the people attending so it's it's a interesting parade so yep thank you 961 01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:46,360 Martin Barb thank you I was going to mention uh 962 01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:53,719 the upcoming Hol stain non-motorized parade it is in its 30th 963 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:58,280 parade having missed only one year and that was during the shutdown in 2020 so 964 01:33:56,679 --> 01:34:01,560 congratulations to them I'm really looking forward to it and praying that 965 01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:06,320 it's not going to rain as they're predicting um I did want to also give a 966 01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:13,199 shout out with regard to the dundock parade the organizers that stepped up to 967 01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:21,600 bring back the traditional moving parade uh did an outstanding job with over 40 968 01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:25,360 registrations there were about 32 floats that 969 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:31,480 actually uh conveyed onto this onto the street and it was a beautiful night uh 970 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:35,679 so congratulations to the organizers and volunteers that and our fire department 971 01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:43,000 that make that possible thank you Barb any 972 01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:47,639 others okay not seeing any we have three matters to deal with in closed session 973 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,040 and I'll just read the uh resolution here to go into Clos session be it 974 01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:58,679 resolved the council proceed into closed session at it is now 10:25 or 35 rather 975 01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:02,400 in order to address matters relating to a proposed or pending acquisition or 976 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:06,600 disposition of land by the municipality or local board more specifically 977 01:35:05,239 --> 01:35:10,480 property negotiations a proposed or pending 978 01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:16,040 acquisition or disposition of land by the municipality or local board more 979 01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:19,800 specifically opinion of land value and a proposed or pending acquisition or 980 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:25,239 disposition of land by the municipality local board more specifically property 981 01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:29,920 negotiations and that all those Reed required remain in attendance would 982 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:35,679 someone care to move that please Barb and Jim all those in 983 01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:40,400 favor that is carried we'll now proceed into the uh meeting room at the back for 984 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,400 our closed 985 01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,400 session