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Okay, today is Tuesday, September 8th,
2026.

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We are here with the Open Space Land
Management

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Open Space Land Management and Planning
Committee um at 454 College Highway. Um

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roll call. Connor Flurry. I
>> Bill Price I.

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» Jabro I.
>> Martha Kaine.

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Okay, first item on the agenda is
approved meeting many minutes from

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previous meeting.

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» Anybody want to make a motion?
>> I can make a motion to approve the

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minutes of the last meeting.
>> I second the motion.

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» Call vote Conor Fer. I
>> Price I.

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» John Petro I. Mark

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signing twice.
>> Yeah.

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that.
>> Mhm.

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» Okay. We [clears throat] didn't have
this item on the agenda, but it's going

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to be under uh kind of other matters
here. Um it is the discussion or

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approval of the master plan action
items. provided by the master plan

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committee for um well for for us the
open space committee.

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Um this is provided by Norm Shver. Um we
kind of went over it with him I think it

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was last meeting uh he was here and we
haven't really had the time to discuss

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it or go over it.
Um yeah, you guys thoughts on on this

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[clears throat]
>> as we discussed in the last meeting when

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Norm was here. Um so the priority they
gave the items the

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action item 3.3 was their number one
priority and the one that they would

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like us to tackle in this coming year if
we don't defer it, which they said which

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he recommended we do defer it to uh
focus on the OSRP. Um, but like I said

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when I in the last meeting I asked him
if he could kind of clarify some of what

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this means and
so we could maybe make some progress on

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it in the in the background even if we
defer doing this for the coming year but

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you know continue acquisition and
promotion of the wildlife corridor

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spanning the borders between South Lake
and Grandby and Granville and Westfield

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annual meetings with land owners etc.
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has anybody ever done this before? Do we
have some ongoing contact? Is there

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something we can work from? Do we have a
list of who these property owners are?

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So on and so forth. And and Norm said he
was going to try to get us a little

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background information. I don't know uh
when or how we can expect to get that,

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but you know, some clarification on that
and what we're trying to accomplish, I

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think, would be helpful. Um but I am
also all for taking up uh Norm's

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suggestion that we defer focusing you
trying to accomplish this this year with

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the NFL also.
>> Yeah.

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» But like I said, you're right. If we if
there's anything we can be doing and get

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a little bit of traction on it and knock
off some aspect of it, at least figure

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out what it is we're supposed to be
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» I think it's a good middle ground. You
know, we can push it off but still kind

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of work on it. Sure. Now, if it's easier
than we think, we can kind of approach

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him with it sooner. And if it's
something that it seems like it's kind

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of more than we can take on, we'll just
keep it, you know, right in the

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background.
I was thinking that we would look over

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these and I agree with deferring
whatever you know we side but

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» you know he talked about um trans
reading the action item and deciding you

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know if if this should be cancelled if
this should be transferred you know if

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he had several different things on his
handout so I started looking and I

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looked at um 1.9 there where it talks
about organized free workshops on

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innovative and regenerative regenerative
yes agricultural practices blah blah

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blah and it's very very close and that
one's assigned to open space committee

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and it's very very close to the one um
under you know the supporting role ones

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there's a supporting role one that's 3.2
two econ under economic development.

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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's almost identical. It starts out

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almost identical and there's a few
little things that are tweaked

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differently and that one they've given
to the agricultural commission

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with us having a supporting role and
then then they gave us this one which is

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nearly identical
>> agriculture. Yeah. So that bothered me

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and I went to you remember Jen wouldn't
remember but this little paragraph

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remember when Connor you got that from
Diane Gale we were looking at they had a

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whole big write up on the open space
and recreation plan committee and then

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they had this little paragraph for us
the open space land management committee

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that supposedly the select board had
approved

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that uh you probably remember that we
had this charter. The conservation

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commission tried, Sabrina tried. They
came up with some really cool things and

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we looked at it and we gave, you know,
feedback to them on it and they sent

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that to the select board and the select
for came up with this. And you might

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remember we were going over it going,
wait a minute, the language here, it's

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assigning the open space and recreation
plan committee to actually do these

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annual things. And here it just says
something about be involved in. You

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remember that whole thing? Yep.
>> Um well, I I um started looking at it

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and I I I
took this paragraph and I just sort of

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spaced it out
so that um it's easier to read.

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» Um it's the exact same verbiage. It's
just, you know, and I'm thinking there's

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nothing in here that says anything about
preserving working farmland or anything

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about farmland in under scope of work.
Um, and that sort of bothered me. So,

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I'm thinking, you know, my first thought
was looking back at this 1.9

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if the charge from the select board is
this, if this is truly official and

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Connor thought it was adopted because
you remember I asked, "Is this adopted?"

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Because it had a blank there. And Connor
said, "Yeah, Gail, you know, Diane Gail

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had given us this." And so, I sent an
email to Christy Mayadette. I haven't

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heard back from her yet to ask cuz I
tried researching to find the one that

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would say adopted April 26th or
whatever, you know, couldn't find it

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anywhere in the records. And so I
thought Christy could help me look it

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up, but
and this is probably a long- winded

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thing, but I'm thinking something like
talking about regenerative agricultural

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practices. It's not under our scope of
work. So I think that this should be

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transferred back to the agricultural
commission, you know, or just cancelled

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because the agricultural commission
already has one that's just about the

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same written the same.
>> Gotcha.

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» So what I was thinking is in addition if
we all agreed in addition to telling

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we'd like to defer for a year for good
reason that we could also give them some

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feedback on those. I almost wonder if
they're going to run into a lot of what

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they ask of us while we're doing the
open space and recreation plan itself.

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It's like, oh, okay, this is on here.
Like, I wonder if a lot of it overlaps.

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And if it does, then we might even knock
a good part of this out just by doing

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the the recreation plan.
>> Um, yeah. Well, it's it's hard to say

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because we haven't done the survey yet
and we haven't had the public meetings,

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right,
>> to get the feedback, but I don't think

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that these types of things are things
that are going to come up by the public.

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The other three
sort of fit with our scope of work,

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» right?
>> Um, you know, where it where it it talks

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about helping the conservation
commission with implementation of

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related goals, but it doesn't
specifically state that we're to go out

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and do X, Y, and Z, you know, working
with land owners and finding these

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lands. It doesn't really say that. The
scope of work really talks more about

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maintenance, about looking at our open
space properties and our natural

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resource management and determining
areas of maintenance, keeping upkeep,

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maintain and improve trails and
facilities, plan and organize the work

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groups to do that work. Seek funding as
necessary. Manage community engagement.

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um and then be actively involved in
leading the open space and recreation

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plan report
um and then assist conservation

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commission with implementation of
related goals. So it seems like the

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select board which is giving us our
charge

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has either left out a lot of stuff that
the old open space committee did.

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[laughter]
I I don't know. I I just went back and

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looked at that and then looked at what
we had been assigned. Now, keep in mind

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when this master plan thing was done,
there wasn't an open space committee at

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all. So, maybe it was a generic in the
master plan. It just says open space

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committee,
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» And maybe they went back, the committee
went back, the master plan committee

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went back and just looked at what did
the old open space committee do, you

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know, [laughter]
and maybe that's why we got to sign

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these things that don't match
necessarily what the select board says

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we're supposed to be doing. I don't
know. So, so Jen, I mean, not to put you

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on the spot or to have you speak for the
agricultural commission, but do you

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happen to know if the agricultural
commission is on this item 3.2? Do

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» so. Um, we have our own top four. It's
not one of them.

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» Okay.
>> But we do already do some workshops like

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at the library and things like that. So,
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» innovative and agricultural practices.
>> Right. Right. I mean, Yeah. Okay. That's

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not a strong suit of mine.
>> We had land for good. We had um you know

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farm American farmland trust um at the
library. We'd have we'd have those

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they're not regular meetings but open
and you know free workshops and things

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like that. So, like you said, Connor, I
think it goes hand inand when we start

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doing a plan, we're we're working
together because um it says to work with

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open space
>> land management. So, as we get going in

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our plan, I think
>> so, right? Hopefully, we can both both

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» parties can work together and we can
kind of both.

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» So, I think I agree that we that we
could be a supporting role. I just I'm

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just I because I've worked for state and
city governments before, you know,

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they've always put out that framework.
This is your boundaries. If you step

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outside, you better ask permission. This
is your So, I'm always looking at what

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are we authorized to do first, knowing
that the master plan implementation

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committee, the people who worked on the
master plan had no clue of this. we

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didn't have this until right
>> April of this year. So um so they were

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saying things like that.
>> I'm also very sensitive to the fact that

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our time is so very limited. It's so
difficult for us to find time even to

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get out to visit a site, never mind to
then organize a workg group, go out and

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do that. So to in my mind maintaining
and improving what we already have

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is my top priority. That's how I think.
And all these other things are like, you

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know,
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» side things. And for the other ones that
talk about working with land trusts and

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and working with land owners, we're so
new, you know, we don't even have a

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relationship with a land trust yet. We
haven't invited them to a meeting.

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you know, we don't know what they're
working. They may already South Land

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Trust may already have some of this
stuff they're working on.

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» Um, I don't know if they know about the
Wildlife Quarter. They may, you know.

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» Hello.
>> Good.

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» All right.
>> Going.

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» Great. You guys having a good time?
>> Oh, yeah. We're not building the open

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space and recreation plan. This is our
land management meeting. So, we're

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happy. [laughter]

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» Thanks for stopping in.

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you know, so that's why I think I really
agree with what you both have said about

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deferring um with our other work on this
recreation plan. We don't have time, I

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don't think. Now, I'm just saying giving
my opinion

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» to try to make those relationships and
and the things that we would need

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» to be right in the meantime in the next
few months if we can at least start

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gathering of who these are and who we
should be talking to and whatever and

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get the intro. You know, we we all know
that this stuff takes months, it seems

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to
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» start gaining any traction and but if we
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» get the ball rolling a little bit
>> and if we do that there the other three

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are kind of all related. I think when I
read them, they all seem kind of related

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about land conservation, uh, working
with local land trusts. That one, that's

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the 1.5.
And then, um, an annual meeting, um, to

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update the parcels of land, that's very
very much the same thing except that

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that would be the Southwood committees
we'd be meeting with. And then the last

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one about the wildlife corridor that
would bring them all together really the

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land trust the maybe the mass fishing
game to find out what they think and so

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forth and so on. So if we once we get
rolling on this I can see we could knock

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them out one year after another without
any any problems once we made our

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established our connections and
so forth and so on.

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» Yeah. One of our um tasks on
agricultural commission is one we're

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going to be there's two different ones.
One for um discussing invasive species

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and what one with irrigation. So we
thought those were important for our

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farmers. Um, but the that coincides with
1.9 with the regular free workshops to

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educate the public on these things so
they can help reduce

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um um invasive species and things like
that. So it will go hand in hand

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eventually with the with that one. So,
as we work together and as we start our

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plan is um Becky from PVCP
Pioneer Valley Planning Committee um

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she's meeting with us so we're going to
start our meetings too. So, it's going

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to I looked at our plan and it kind of
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» is that on here as a supporting role for
us or is that all under that um 3.2 too

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that you were just talking about that in
addition to the free workshops on that,

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you wanted to have
the invasive species and the irrigation

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stuff. Where where is that? Is that
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This is not the
>> Yeah, but what I'm asking is is that one

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that they got us in a supporting role. I
don't know if you've had a chance to

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look at the supporting role.
>> Sure. Which one?

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» I think you supporting role on the last
one we closed out together.

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» I remember 1.4. Yeah, that was
>> I don't think that you were sporting on

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those
funny you would think that invasive

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species and and then the water level and
the irrigation

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» would fit very well with open space land
management but again they weren't

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thinking open space land management
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» you know when they when they did this.
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» I forget which ones um that we are
currently the top four that we're

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working on but um I know that one isn't
one of them at this time. So, um, we

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closed the ones out together, the 1.4
one, because we do have that annual, uh,

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farmers forum, which kind of includes
all that, the chapter 61 and things like

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that.
>> I made a note on that.

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» But, yeah.
>> Yeah. And the other ones that are

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talking their their um, conservation
commission that we're supporting.

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» Yeah. We're meeting tomorrow so I can
look up what um, you know, where that

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aligns with our our list.
>> Yeah. Um, so we can go from there for

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sure.
>> Yeah. Just I can see a real close

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relationship there. We're managing
invasive species on our conservation

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lands. You know, the farmlands have the
same problem probably.

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» Of course. Yeah.
>> More than likely.

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» Yep.

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» Yeah. I uh unfortunately
we we weren't around when [laughter]

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this was done.
>> Yeah. Exactly. So anyway, that was my

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thought that maybe in addition in to
telling them we would like you to defer

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for a year and
you know it it seemed Norm was saying

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that that's what he would recommend too
that they'd be fine with that that we

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could give them some feedback in terms
of the four and particularly suggest to

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them um that 1.9 organized free and
regular

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workshops on innovative and regenerative
agricultural practice is that that one

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[clears throat] um either be cancelled
or transferred.

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» You I mean you know you're right that so
much of it is duplicated

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under the agricultural commission. Now
that one happens to be out of the the

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one here for the egg commission is under
the chapter for economic development and

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under us it's under the chapter for open
space but right there are certainly

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» a great deal of overlap.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, um,

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and I I don't unless unless this charge
that Diane Gail gave us was changed and

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and they put under their preserve
working farmland or something like that

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for us as a major scope of work,
>> right?

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» You know, I personally would rather not
do that. leave that to the agricultural

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commission be a supporting role for them
and focus because there's so few of us

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focus on the main things that they did
give us the maintenance and the writing

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the management plans and and all of
that.

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» I have a question. Um these four did you
did you all vote on having these four as

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your most important?
>> These were the only four that they gave

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us. And they they only put a few in the
master plan for the open space because

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there wasn't an open space committee.
>> Sure.

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» They were hoping in fact one of the
action items in that master plan was to

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develop a permanent ongoing rather than
a ad hoc a permanent ongoing open space

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land management type of committee.
>> Sure. Y

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» So that's why I think there were a few
things that I thought, oh, if we do get

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that committee,
>> that's probably where that should fall.

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» Okay. And I don't agree with them
personally, you know, according to this

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from the select board.
>> Sure. Yeah.

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» Um I I think there's a lot of things
that if I if I were queen of the forest,

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if if I wrote the master plan that I
would give an open space land

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management, I would be putting a lot of
those maintenance knowing that our lands

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haven't been touched. We haven't been
walking boundaries, you know, and that's

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legally that's required for in those
conserv when we have a conservation

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restriction, but we've not been able to
do that because we don't have the people

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to do that. I mean, that seems to me
that that's the stuff that should be in

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a master plan for us.
>> Sure. Yeah.

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» Um along with, you know, what they the
other three which they do give us.

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» Yeah.

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So, we want to vote on postponing this
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» Yeah.
>> I make [clears throat] a motion to

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postpone the master plan action items um
until further notice.

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» I second them.
>> Uh roll call vote. Conor Flurry. I Bill

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Price.
>> Ira.

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Sorry.
>> Can I?

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» All righty.
>> Then we will get something to the

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conservation commission to Norm saying
that we will take him up on his offer to

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let us defer this for here.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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I was going to um volunteer if you want
to write up something like that because

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it does say if you want to transfer or
cancel an item. I just think it would be

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good to give them a heads up and even
ask them when we defer for a year, you

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know, tell them that we did look at the
four action items assigned to open space

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and we are concerned, you know, about
that one particular one

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» and and and any information or
clarification they can give us on so

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that we can get going as well.
>> Yeah. So rather than just saying we we

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would take you up on your offer and we
defer, but maybe a little bit more

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information and I'd be happy to draft up
something that everybody could look at

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and and then you could vote, you know,
cross out this sentence. No, we only

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want we've decided we only want to
defer. That's all we want to say. What

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do you think?
>> Yeah, I can do that. We can vote on it

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next meeting.
>> Okay.

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» And then the the receiving party has to
agree to accept too as well.

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» Yes. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's why I think a question to

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them telling them, but the agricultural
committee already has

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» an action that's almost identical to
that one. So, how should we cancel?

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Should we mess with the agricultural
commission and see what they want to do?

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» Right. Right.
>> Maybe maybe they will dovetail them

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together and you know um I don't know.
They they look so similar. I don't even

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think you need to.
>> Right. Exactly.

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» Okay. So, next item under new business
is discuss Martha's report of Woodland

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Ridge.

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Martha, you provided a you went out did
a site visit on Woodland Ridge open

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space area there in a subdivision and
wrote us a nice report.

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Well, I'm I'm hoping that the only
reason I did that is to just jot down

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some notes for myself and I thought I'll
share it with all of you so that you'd

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have a chance to read my thoughts before
the meeting to save time, but not to

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discuss it by email. I know we are not
supposed to do that but hoping that

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others would go too and so that it
wouldn't just be my opinion because the

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way I look at a property as a former
nature preserve manager I'm looking at

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it you know invasive species and what
are the wildlife doing and is there any

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danger here for people [laughter]
so I have a very narrow view someone

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else may look at something different
>> yeah I mean it's just a couple acres of

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fairly flat reasonably open land and
river is mowing those paths through

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there is doing a very nice job to make
it accessible which is which is great

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but so right what what does
what is the concern or what problem are

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we trying to fix over there
>> I don't know if you saw the emails going

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back and forth but I had asked some
questions

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» right
>> and Sabrina came up with the deed which

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I've been hopefully between the long
email chain or the email that I also

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just sent that everybody
>> I wasn't in that chain for the deed cuz

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I just saw the first deed one today.
>> Okay.

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» With the deed in there. I wasn't I was
like, "Where the hell is this deed thing

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coming from?" So I Yeah, I wasn't in the
conversation with that.

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» Yeah, that's why I sent a separate
email. I I have trouble with Outlook

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when I used to do Outlook where state
government, you know, it was much easier

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to keep up with those long chains and
make sure the attachments were going and

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coming and um but with this with my
Gmail now, I I just get so confused. So,

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I thought I'll send a separate email to
everybody to make sure that everybody

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did get that deed. It's it's a bunch of
>> What do we need the deed for?

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» Well, the first question was how many
acres are really out there? The deed

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tells us that we have 32
something.

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» Yes.
>> Yeah. 32.14 acres. And it talks about

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the parcels. We can go to wherever and
look up exactly where those parcels are.

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So, I have no idea. I know I didn't look
at 32 acres when I was out there.

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» No. No.
>> Um I only looked at part and I did go

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off and look by Great Brook and um saw
the extremely steep embankments there

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which where erosion could very easily
occur. And I could see a child. There

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was a child's fort kind of there. And I
kind of looked and went, "Oh boy, if I

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was a mom, I wouldn't want my kid this
close to the brook, you know, where he

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might tumble or she might tumble down."
>> I didn't see the fort, but I popped in

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somewhere and and saw the brook and
right it was was significant drop on

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that on that side. It's very very steep.
>> The other thing I wanted to know is is

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there a conservation restriction or does
the deed spell out anything that that we

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should know? And it really didn't. And
from the conversation email conversation

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with Sabrina, uh there is no
conservation restriction. It was pretty

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much she said cuz I suggested maybe we
take this to the town lawyer and ask

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them, you know, for some guidance in
terms of what we can and cannot do with

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the property or what the residents can
and cannot do. It was just turned over

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to the conservation commission. And so
basically Sabrina said that you know

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it's up to the conservation commission
to decide you know what happens there.

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And then you know I had also asked well
did the conservation commission um have

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they already given a document to the
residents and said you know hello

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[laughter]
you know we are the ones who are

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managing this land or whatever
responsible for the land and um these

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are some things we'd like you to know
about or have any meetings with them or

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and she wasn't aware of anything like
that. So, we've got this property out

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there where um I don't even know where
all the parts are. Um and I have like at

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our last meeting, I expressed liability
concerns.

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Joe Blow is out there with his mower and
he's mowing the pass and all that. What

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if the mower turns over and Joe Blow is
hurt? You know, um could they sue the

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town for that? Uh what if um they decide
they want to take out some trees or um

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they want to make a soccer field there.
Let's let's take out that field and

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let's make a soccer field for our kids,
you know, and keep it mowed. Um what's

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to stop them from doing that? You know,
is would the cons would they would they

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know to even ask the conservation
commission for permission to do that?

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So, I the more I thought about the
property, the more I got nervous and um

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being a former property manager for a a
municipal land, um I'm thinking I I'm

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not comfortable because I don't have my
little here's what you can and can't do.

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[laughter] You know, here's and uh
I think we're very very lucky that the

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the residents have taken very good care
of that. Uh there were things I was

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seeing um there's quite a bit of calorie
pear coming in that very invasive um

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people know it as the Bradford pear and
it's definitely fruing. there were pear

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fruits on there. So, it's it could be
dispersing. And then when I saw a lot of

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people get confused between sumac and
tree of heaven

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» from a distance, you know, if you don't
get up close, you might think because

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they have the penately compound leaves
that same kind of leaf shape. Um, so I

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got right up and I thought, "Oh my gosh,
that's a whole cops of of tree of

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heaven." And that's one of the host
trees for the spotted lantern fly.

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» [laughter]
>> we really ought to take that out of

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there, you know. Um, we don't want that
to become a place where the lantern

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flies are attracted, you know, and and
then from there their population grows

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and then they're invading everywhere,
you know. So, there were some things

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like that that I was seeing um that um
I'm thinking how in the world are we

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going to do this? you know, we don't
have any money to um do herbicide

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applications to hire someone to do that.
We could go and just cut, you know, some

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of the tree of heaven and maybe even
take out a couple of calorie pairs. I

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don't know. Um but that's something that
you would have to repeat repeat. Um, so

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I I was just having a lot of questions
and and anxiety in myself thinking I I

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don't want to touch anything until I
find out more from somebody. So that was

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why, you know, I was asking the
questions and this was really all that

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Sabrina could find was this this deed
saying that it's a certificate of title.

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So, so this property kind of came to our
attention or was brought up because

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someone
>> Yeah, I was just looking for that

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information. Um,
>> yeah. Do we know who contacted and what

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they were contacting about?
>> I have to dig deeper in my email, but

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she basically had just asked Sabrina,
you know, what was going on with that

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middle area and I guess kind of had some
concerns about the condition of it. um

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to to follow that up. I think that's
kind of our next thing is to have her in

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here because like like Martha was
saying, do they want to put a soccer

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field there? They want to keep it, you
know, the same, you know. I think

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getting kind of her insight on what she
wants to do with it or neighbor wants to

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do with it and then approaching a town
lawyer at that point about, you know,

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» can and can't do what,
>> right? Right. Kind of what's there and

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what's not and all that. Um
>> is there any signage that it's a town?

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There's a split row fence
on the front face of it, but not all not

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all the way around, but just like
portion. It's more decorative than

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anything.
>> Right. There's no signage that I saw,

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but
>> yeah, it's kind of the neighborhood

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almost.
>> Yeah. And and again, it's not the full

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32 acres. I don't know where all
>> I think it's six because it breaks it

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down here. It says there's
>> um three parcels. One's 24, one's six.

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Um

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it three.
>> Yeah somewhere too.

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» One parcel consisting

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is two for a total of 32.
>> Wow.

414
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:39,039
» So the back area is probably 24. That
center is probably six. That seems like

415
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:42,480
six.
>> Like they develop the houses 32 acres

416
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,640
total.
>> No. Well, there's there's there's open

417
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,440
space land behind those houses. That's
part of that. So maybe all of this

418
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:55,519
forested.
>> Yeah. One consisting of 6.8 acres, a

419
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:59,440
second parcel consisting 24
>> and a third

420
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,519
3997.
So

421
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,279
» but they're all like together.
>> It doesn't say that. It just says it's

422
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:09,440
shown on map
>> and there's a map in the deed's office.

423
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:14,000
So, I'm thinking they are not continuous
cuz like what based on what Connor was

424
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,760
saying, he thought some of that woods
behind the resident's homes might be

425
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,519
part of it, too. Huh.
>> No, they are. I know they are.

426
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:25,360
» Okay.
>> Cuz I I agree with Sabrina

427
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:30,240
» before you guys. And it part of that or
>> that's what we need is a map to show us

428
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:36,960
exactly where. But I agree. I think the
6.85 985 is probably

429
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:44,080
um the um the meadow area in there
perhaps and a little piece down by Great

430
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:47,279
Brook and then maybe the other
>> Hello.

431
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:51,120
» Look at the Sabrina grabbed the thing.
>> Oh, hey. [laughter]

432
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:55,840
» Boom.
>> I didn't want you guys keep being

433
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,279
tortured. I I'm like I got the map.
>> Oh, okay.

434
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,760
» So, here's Woodland Ridge. Um, can you
see my mouse kind of wiggling around the

435
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:06,480
screen?
>> That's Woodland Ridge. The the large

436
00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:11,440
open space parcel in the middle
>> is right here. But actually, if you see

437
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:16,639
to the left, you can see smaller map
that sort of encompasses the entire open

438
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:23,040
space property. So, it does kind of
encircle the subdivision. We've got one

439
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:29,440
little spot right um down here, number
one um 23 right here. That's also open

440
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:32,720
space. This little area here, that's
open space. And it looks like we have a

441
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:37,520
sliver right here. It's It's a It's a
wonky shaped parcel split up into three

442
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:40,520
separate parcels.
>> Yeah.

443
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,280
» Gotcha.
>> And all one building there between 29

444
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:48,560
and 30.
>> Yeah. I was just looking at that too,

445
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:52,560
Phil, and I was thinking when I was
driving around, I was trying to figure

446
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:55,119
out how would I get to the woods. You
know,

447
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:59,920
» there's a there's a an area between two
of the houses with a split rail that is

448
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,839
on what we believe is open space
property that is I think it's that

449
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,760
sliver where her mouse is.
>> I thought maybe that was somebody's

450
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:12,960
driveway the way that I couldn't see
something that looked

451
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:18,560
» that looked obvious to me.
Maybe maybe the land owners are using

452
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,240
are doing something.
>> Oh, interesting. There's actually a

453
00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:26,720
driveway in one place, you know, that I
thought looked like that might be where

454
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:31,520
I could access, but I I don't recall
seeing something that looks like that.

455
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:35,520
This is an older map, too. So,
>> there's split split rail there now.

456
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:40,079
» Yeah, there's split rails right where my
mouse is. Um, okay.

457
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:44,720
» I guess this area actually washed out
>> a few years ago badly, so I don't know

458
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,960
how accessible the back portion of the
property is from here, but this spot is

459
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:52,320
open space. And right now the neighbor,
it just looks like the neighbor or both

460
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:56,320
neighbors are just kind of mowing it and
there's like some lawn decorations, but

461
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,920
it is open space.
>> Okay.

462
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,720
» Where was the brook you guys were
talking about? Where is that?

463
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:04,079
» It goes around the whole thing.
>> I mean, where did you guys enter?

464
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,520
» Oh, was it over here?
>> I kind of Yeah, kind of in here

465
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,599
somewhere.
>> Oh, okay.

466
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:14,640
» Actually, let's see.
So

467
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,320
» what is
what's the thing that what says number

468
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,640
one?
>> What says number one?

469
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,839
» There is number one on two sides there.
>> You you just highlighted what was number

470
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:30,560
one. Yeah.
>> This

471
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:36,079
» So that that's our piece that you you've
got the mouse on.

472
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:42,000
» This what this piece is not ours.
>> Oh by Mark Fletcher.

473
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:46,560
» Okay. You can kind of over to the left,
you can kind of see the property

474
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:50,640
information. So, owner name, um, Mark
Fletcher, and he's on 29 depot.

475
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,520
» Okay.
>> Okay. So, we walked on somebody's

476
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,160
private property.
>> Yeah, that's I looked over into also.

477
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,840
Yeah.
>> I thought that was ours. Well, I'm glad

478
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,840
nobody had a gun. [laughter]

479
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,079
» It's between 20 and 30. 29 and 30.
>> Yeah.

480
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:12,000
» Is the access.
>> Yep.

481
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:16,320
supposedly. I I didn't It wasn't obvious
to me. I kept looking, you know, where

482
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:20,240
that that culde-sac is up there. I can't
read the numbers.

483
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:24,000
» 50 and something maybe. I thought maybe
there. Um

484
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:27,040
» you could probably also access it from
the tip of the

485
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:33,040
» Yeah, that's what I was looking at. But
it had a driveway there today or the

486
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:37,520
other day when I checked it now. That's
not apparent on that map. There's like a

487
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:41,760
driveway or Oh, there's the driveway.
Okay.

488
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,440
So off to the left of the driveway.
>> Yep.

489
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,720
» Okay.
>> So that's between 29 and 30.

490
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,200
» This is addresses.
>> Okay.

491
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:54,880
» That's between 29 and 30 split fence. It
looks like 30 yard, but it's not.

492
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:59,520
» Okay.
>> Interesting.

493
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:04,880
And it looks like it's all wooded wooded
property. No, the the middle part is all

494
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:08,800
like a natural prairie or meadow
>> and then the larger

495
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,680
» the big out the larger piece the 24
acres or whatever that one is wooded.

496
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,760
Yeah.
>> Okay.

497
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:19,200
» And that's where you can see great brook
going through.

498
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:24,971
» Mhm. And I I don't know if the sides of
the brook are as steep on this side as

499
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,991
they were on the other side, but
[clears throat]

500
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:34,000
» maybe another way to access would be
through this sliver. But I mean, it's

501
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,960
kind of hard to know where the property
lines are.

502
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,839
» Like you're basically Yeah. You're
walking in someone's backyard. So

503
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,119
» Yeah.
>> And I don't I don't know. Oh, that's

504
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,640
Dave.
>> You can do it. That's David Williams

505
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,480
house.
>> That's whose house? Whose house?

506
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,040
» Williams.
>> David Williams.

507
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:58,000
» We could get permission. We could get
permission basically. Just a well just a

508
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,400
heads up if we really want to go back
here because he used to be chair of the

509
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,400
conservation commission.
>> Okay.

510
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:14,160
» I'm actually going to see what this
place looked like. Let's see if we have

511
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,240
something in the ' 90s. Yeah, even back
in the 90s it was an open field right

512
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,240
here.
>> Oh, wow.

513
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:28,640
» So, I don't know when it was cleared. Um
I don't we don't have anything later

514
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:34,560
than the '9s on on this um platform,
>> but and I guess just over the years

515
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:40,880
things just started to grow. It looks
like those trees were actually planted.

516
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:45,200
» Um what was that 200
five? It looks like they were planted.

517
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:50,320
» Yeah, th those are native th in those
two strips, but the other trees growing

518
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,680
throughout the fields are the tree of
heaven and the calorie pear.

519
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,800
» Um
>> it's actually the first time I saw a

520
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:01,040
tree of heaven was there. I I didn't
realize it, you know, because it does

521
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:03,599
look it looks just like um
>> sum.

522
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:07,359
» Yeah, the stag.
>> Yep.

523
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:10,480
» But there is sumac there also. Oh, yes.
The whole truck with the big head. Yeah.

524
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:14,640
» Yeah. That's why I kept looking at it.
doesn't look like what? And so I I

525
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,000
actually went right up to it and
realized what I was looking at then was

526
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,040
tree of heaven. I thought, how did it
get here? Usually you see it along the

527
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,560
highways, you know,
>> and I don't know if it's true that you

528
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,680
shouldn't cut those down. Cutting them
down somehow spreads that that's not the

529
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,040
right way to get rid of it. And I don't
know that for

530
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:35,920
» if you cut them, I think that that they
usually say, you know, you you um apply

531
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:39,359
your herbicide to the cut stump,
>> okay,

532
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:44,560
» right away. If what I know of tree of
heaven is that it creates an aloto toxin

533
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:49,920
in the soil that would kill off other
vegetation that tries to grow around it,

534
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:53,359
you know, and it sort of takes over. But
it would have an underground root

535
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:58,000
system, I'm guessing. And you know how
those mother trees do. If some of the

536
00:40:55,839 --> 00:41:02,319
little ones are cut, they he'll just
send she'll just send

537
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:06,240
» stuff to others. Gotcha. [laughter]
>> But all those invasive things, they grow

538
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:10,560
back very vigorously. Okay.
>> Uh what we did on on my nature preserve,

539
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,880
some of them were really large and we
just girdled them because they weren't

540
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:19,680
by trails where they weren't danger
trees were they died from girdling that

541
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:24,160
they would drop limbs on somebody's
head, you know, but that was how we did.

542
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,720
Um and then that way we didn't have to
get the tree people in to with

543
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,520
chainsaws.
>> Now most of this stuff was very small

544
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,200
though, right? I mean,
>> right. Most of the stuff I saw was small

545
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,200
» or just a
>> some of it some of it was bigger. There

546
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,359
was a couple of mother trees there, but
not huge. It hadn't been growing for,

547
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:46,240
you know,
>> uh for a long time.

548
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:51,280
So, um and then there's just like I said
in my report, there's a lot of

549
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:56,720
bittersweet in there. Um multifllora
rose, also autumn olive, different types

550
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:01,920
of non-native honeysuckles. As you would
expect being in a development like this

551
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:06,240
where you know stuff can come in from
the home that there's so much non-native

552
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:10,640
stuff that people plant in their yards
and then it just comes into the

553
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:17,119
» the natural area. So, there's a lot of
that. And my opinion on the poison ivy

554
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:23,520
was it looked like the um the mowing um
really had solved that issue already

555
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:29,119
where um the poison ivy has not jumped
the path there in that tri that apex

556
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:33,359
where those two trails come together. Um
now it is expanding I think somewhat out

557
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:39,920
the back and I stood there's another
trail that doesn't show up on this map

558
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:43,359
that goes around the back there. Um, and
um, the poison ivy hasn't reached that

559
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:49,040
yet, but [clears throat] I'm guessing it
probably will eventually, but as long as

560
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:52,960
they keep those paths mowed, you know, I
don't think it's going to escape from

561
00:42:50,960 --> 00:43:00,319
its little box of mode. But if they
don't mow it, then,

562
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:04,720
you know, I didn't see it as a real
hazard. If it was growing up into the

563
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:09,200
trail and had jumped the trail on the
other side, I'd say, "Oh my goodness."

564
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:11,760
But trying to get rid of that's a huge
patch right there.

565
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:14,720
» It's so cool. So it's trail out. It
doesn't take much for someone just to

566
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,720
brush up against it. And
>> true. But that's also true at

567
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:24,000
Sophonowski and that's true of many of
our other properties as well. We have

568
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:28,319
huge amounts of poison ivy growing all
over the trails. Yet we're not going out

569
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:33,760
there going we have to eliminate every
bit of it. Um you know as long as you

570
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,000
control it you know by keeping the
trails making

571
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:39,760
» that neighborhood. But I just feel like
it's more traffic than Svenski would be.

572
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,200
I mean, yeah, you know, being in a
neighborhood like this, especially with

573
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,880
someone mowing it weekly, it's
>> more of a traffic area than Svenowski or

574
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:52,640
other properties,
>> you know. I I don't know. I don't know

575
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:59,119
what the traffic is either place. Um
um I can't really judge that very well.

576
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:04,800
You know, how often and are they young
children trying to play in the fields?

577
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:08,880
Um, I guess my my question my my thought
would be how would we if we wanted to do

578
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:12,960
something with that poison ivy, what
would we do? I don't think just throwing

579
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:20,480
down a tarp
um if we cannot use herbicide on it

580
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:26,240
um to really kill the roots and all of
that. you know, just throwing a tarp on

581
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:32,880
part of it is we just assume send a
brush brush hog in there just to knock

582
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:37,880
it back and then um keep knocking it
back.

583
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,880
You know,

584
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:47,520
I just just feel like if if we worried
about every patch of poison ivy at North

585
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:53,280
Pond Conservation Area Sophanowski and
all the rest, that's already pretty well

586
00:44:50,880 --> 00:45:00,319
managed, you know, we're we're taking
our small resources and and spreading

587
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,560
ourselves very thin. However, you know,
these

588
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,760
» people brought to our attention too
reason. So yeah, I think it should be

589
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,960
dealt with this.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, and I've been

590
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:13,760
bringing attention to Sophenowski, too,
but we don't have time to deal with it.

591
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:17,200
I'm just saying, you know, that think
about

592
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:22,800
what, you know, where we want to put our
resources. It may be that these

593
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:28,000
homeowners have done such a great job
that we want to continue to really

594
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:33,040
support them however we can,
you know, so that they will continue to

595
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,480
do what they're doing at least that
much,

596
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:41,440
» right? And um if they're begging us for
help, then not from a land management

597
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:46,560
standpoint so much, but from a public
relations standpoint and knowing that in

598
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:50,640
order to manage that property, we need
volunteers. We need to have a

599
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:55,599
neighborhood group that will help us on
each of the properties. And this group

600
00:45:53,119 --> 00:46:02,319
has been doing just a great job. They
may not know about invasive species and

601
00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:10,000
any of that, but you know, they
obviously love the property. And so, um,

602
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:14,960
doing it from that standpoint, whatever
we could do, even if it is just putting

603
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:21,440
a tarp over part of it, that's another
way to look at that is is it's public

604
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:27,359
good public rel relations and keeping
them on our side.

605
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:30,000
Well, I guess we need to reestablish
contact with

606
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:34,240
» that kind of that person
>> and and see what what their concerns

607
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:36,880
were and and what we'd all like to try
to accomplish there.

608
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:40,880
» Yeah. I'll give her a call before next
meeting, see if she can make next

609
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:46,480
meeting and kind of pick her brain some
more about,

610
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:51,839
» you know, what what the goal is.
>> Yeah. And find out if there is an HOA.

611
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:57,520
Um it sounds like that she is a
legitimate leader there, but um I just

612
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:03,520
want to make sure that
um it's not one resident who's

613
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:08,079
complaining and everybody else is fine
or one resident has this concern, but

614
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:12,800
then there's 10 others that have a
different concern that also needs to be

615
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,200
addressed. So it would be really good
to, you know, to find that out,

616
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:18,960
» right?
>> Does she speak for everybody or

617
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,680
» Yeah. And it's okay if she just speaks
for herself, but it would be good to

618
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:26,960
know.
>> From my understanding, there isn't an

619
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:32,960
HOA. I think we had already asked
um this is the same woman that she

620
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:38,560
approached us about the split railing um
fence.

621
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Um, we had asked if her and a couple of
other residents would want to form sort

622
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:47,280
of like a management land management
group and um, it didn't seem like they

623
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:52,000
were interested in that type of
commitment.

624
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:56,960
» Um, as far as like maybe like someone
else sort of like organizing like

625
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,880
volunteer days and inviting residents
out, maybe that's something more on the

626
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:06,160
level that they're able to commit. but
like actual like forming a group and

627
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:09,280
having regular meetings and and and
putting that type of effort into it, it

628
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,839
didn't seem like they were interested in
that.

629
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,200
» That's kind of what we're for. So, if
they could if they could at least be a

630
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,400
resource for us to report back to us,
that would be a huge help.

631
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:24,480
» Mhm.
What if they do want us to deal with the

632
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:30,000
poison ivy? Seeing the large nature of
that patch,

633
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:35,040
do we have money that could be used to
either somebody goes in and bush hogs

634
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:39,599
that somehow and then [clears throat] we
could put a tarp down or it's going to

635
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:44,400
be an eyesore. It's going to look ugly
and some residents may not like that,

636
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:50,240
but we don't really have the monies,
right? And we probably don't want to put

637
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:55,040
down Roundup on something.
>> No. Well, for any type of herbicidal

638
00:48:53,040 --> 00:49:00,880
treatment on town property, it needs to
be done by professional and that's

639
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:05,599
» and we even with the brush hogging, I
don't think we have the the extra funds,

640
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:10,240
especially this year because we just got
cut another 10%. Last year we got

641
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:14,240
» cut 5%. So, right now we don't really
have a lot of the funds. So, when we

642
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:20,079
were talking about like how do we deal
with this um poison ivy patch, I think

643
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,960
the reason why we chose tarps was
because it seemed like the cheapest

644
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:25,520
thing
>> that we do at the time. Well, because

645
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,440
» right
>> these are these are old pool tarps that

646
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,880
basically have,
>> you know, expired and their main

647
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:38,079
function of being a pool tarp and we
could just basically try to smother the

648
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:42,319
the poison ivy with them and and just
kind of see if it works or not. I mean,

649
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:47,280
if it doesn't, then we haven't spent any
money on it. Um, would probably be an

650
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:51,839
eyesore, but that's also one of the
reasons why we sent out a letter earlier

651
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:56,559
this year to all the residents saying,
"Hey, you know, this is what we plan on

652
00:49:54,319 --> 00:50:02,480
doing this year,
expect to see a tarp being put down um

653
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,640
on the open space property."
>> So,

654
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,079
» and they were okay with that. They
didn't they didn't come back to you and

655
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:14,079
say no. No, [laughter]
>> I got I've got no complaints from any of

656
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:19,920
the any of the um residents over in that
area. The only thing I had gotten was um

657
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,880
a message from somebody saying, "Why
haven't we done it yet?"

658
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:27,839
» Okay. [clears throat]
>> That I mean, no one else came back. I'm

659
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:33,119
sure like, you know, poison ivy is not
fun. So, they're probably happy that

660
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:38,319
it's it, you know, being addressed in
any way that we can address it right

661
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:44,960
now. Um, if we look back at the map, um,
2015, no, 2015 was a horrible map year

662
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:49,680
or aerial imagery. Um, we can see in
2019 and it's I don't know what time of

663
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,520
the year this was taken, but you can
kind of see maybe this is where where it

664
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:58,079
is.
>> And in 2021, it's you can see it's

665
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:02,079
slowly getting bigger. 20.
>> Yeah, it's definitely expanding. I I

666
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:04,480
agree with that because I I went I went
out there and looked at it and took

667
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,680
pictures
>> and that's more like how it looks now.

668
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:15,040
» Um and it and I compared it to just
Google map, you know, when you Google

669
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:20,000
for directions, it looks smaller there,
but it it is really big. So, um, couple

670
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:27,200
little pool tarps really isn't going to
do very much unless we just tarp off the

671
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:32,400
parts that are where that apex or where
the two things come in. Just try to

672
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,800
» maybe just select some areas mother for
right now. Um,

673
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:38,480
» yeah.
>> Yeah.

674
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,720
» And at least they would think we're
doing something, right?

675
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:48,000
» Yeah.
I I really don't think that's going to

676
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:54,319
help very much, but I would think um
Sabrina, we could do that even now or or

677
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,960
in the fall too, right? And just keep
keep it over the winter. Just keep it on

678
00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:02,000
there.
>> Oh, yeah. I would say keep it on there

679
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:06,079
for, you know, I figured at least we use
AI for this like two years or something.

680
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:11,200
I think just leave that for as long as
we could smother it and

681
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:14,240
» maybe maybe then like move on to the
next

682
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:18,319
» spot. Move a little more north and just
keep smothering it and smothering it

683
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,760
» with the little pool tarps that we have.
Like maybe maybe some of these residents

684
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:25,839
I actually I don't know if any of them
have pools, but maybe they have old pool

685
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,359
tarps that they want to donate and we
can just

686
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:33,440
» tarp as much as we can,
>> you know?

687
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:37,280
Well, I'm very allergic to it, so I I'm
not going to get involved with jumping

688
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:42,480
in the middle of that patch. It's a big
patch and it's pretty tall.

689
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:46,079
» Um, so it should be people who aren't
highly allergic that would get in there

690
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:50,480
and do that.
>> Um, or suit up in some kind of hazmat

691
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:54,821
suit or something,
>> right?

692
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:56,841
» Because it's it's it's healthy.
[laughter]

693
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:04,960
It's a native plant, but it is invasive.
>> It I know I'm surprised that the I don't

694
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:08,960
know if we have deer on this side of the
town, but you would think that deer

695
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:15,839
would be all over this. It's an open
field. Um I think we have deer more on

696
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:19,280
the west side of town. I haven't seen
over here.

697
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:23,119
» I've never seen deer eating poison ivy.
They probably do, but I personally have

698
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:30,240
never seen it. I've seen the deer at my
my nature preserve and we had a lot of

699
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:35,200
deer. Um they they would eat the um um
what what is that holly? That is

700
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:39,920
vomitarium. We had different types of
holl that they weren't supposed to eat

701
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:44,160
» native ones and that actually make you
vomit. And they would eat those. They

702
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:48,559
were even eating the the myrtle the not
the crepe myrtle but the um the wax

703
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,920
myrtle you know which they weren't
supposed to eat. They were eating that,

704
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:55,760
but they never ate my poison ivy.
>> Yeah. Well, maybe the other stuff tasted

705
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:59,680
better than the poison ivy. Maybe.
>> You know what we really need is goats.

706
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,000
We really need goats.
>> Maybe.

707
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:06,319
» No, I'm serious. If we That would be the
way to do it. You know, if we

708
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:09,520
» corral them like in just one area.
>> Yeah. Have your little electric fence

709
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:11,119
out there
>> and um

710
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:16,640
» have to
>> and and just put put them out there.

711
00:54:14,732 --> 00:54:21,920
[laughter]
>> That might be eat this. And if we know

712
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:26,640
anybody that has goats that's willing
to, you know, put them on the property,

713
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,880
cor make sure that they're coralled in
so they don't get

714
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,839
» Yeah,
>> that's the problem. Keeping wind, they

715
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:35,520
can get out of anything. They're a pain
in the ass to keep coralled.

716
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:40,480
» Yeah. I've never I've never worked with
>> they jump. We had a horse stall and we

717
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,359
had fence all the way up to the top of
it with like this much exposed. They got

718
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,319
over it. Oh, yeah.
>> So, they jumped all the

719
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:49,440
» But it wasn't electric fence, right? No.
>> Okay. I'm thinking electric fence.

720
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:53,839
That's what I've seen.
>> Electric fence might work. Also, keeping

721
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,960
the predators out because Oh, yeah. You
got coyotes or something on that side of

722
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:01,119
town also.
>> Oh, yeah. Well, there's bears. There's a

723
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,960
lot of bears, too.
>> Coyotes.

724
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:08,240
» Some people say mountain lions, but I'm
not so sure about that. [laughter]

725
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:12,559
» Yeah,
I'm not going to get into that. I guess

726
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:15,440
it's controversial.
>> Yes, it is.

727
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,440
» Yes, it is.
>> All right. Should we move on to the

728
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:21,520
other property?
>> Do we need to to vote on anything? So, I

729
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:27,280
think what we're saying is we are going
to um go ahead with the tarps. Is that

730
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:31,680
it? You know, with the original plan,
>> which this spring, you two brave souls,

731
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,520
we're going to go out there with the
tarps.

732
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,839
» Yeah, we had to get permission from I
think Kong and all that. So, then we

733
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:40,079
window. So, we're we're good to go for
fall.

734
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:44,000
» So, yeah. So, we've got a fall window.
So, you guys you guys are going to talk

735
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:48,640
amongst yourselves and decide. Yep.
>> Okay. I like to go with you guys and try

736
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,400
to help with some
>> Oh, that's right. Yeah, because you were

737
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:55,040
in here. Yeah. Yeah. Come along for
>> help.

738
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,359
» We can run the duct tape. Duct tape.
>> Yeah,

739
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,960
» I'll go. But I'll I'll go and cut the
the tree of heaven.

740
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:05,200
» Pictures. You can take pictures if you
want. [laughter]

741
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:09,280
» I'm allergic to poison ivy. Not deathly.
Um for some reason I always get a little

742
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:17,119
spot on my forehead no matter what. Um
but I call like rubber boots. So, I

743
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:18,640
probably could just suit up and help.
>> Okay. Well,

744
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,880
» the mayor
>> Connor, you're you're going to

745
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:26,880
coordinate us here.
>> Yep.

746
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:31,240
Okay. Um, next item is discussion review
Martha's report of North Pond.

747
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:40,799
» Again, same thing. Another report from
Martha's state visit to North Pond.

748
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:44,880
I'm just laughing about me pulling into
a parking space and this dude pulling

749
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:49,969
right in with his big old pickup truck
right next to me

750
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:53,599
» and his dog,
[laughter]

751
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:59,194
Bill. And he opens the door and Belle
through the woods and he's throwing

752
00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:59,194
balls and the dog is running. [laughter]

753
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:11,200
There are um spaces out there. Um I
think there's like five or six spaces

754
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:15,599
maybe. One is a handicap and um they are
marked in the dirt with u some kind of

755
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:23,920
paint which of course is going to wear
off but they do have permanent um

756
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:30,000
post with the parking space number on
them. So if you go not on a weekend but

757
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:34,960
you know during the week I would guess
you you probably have a good chance of

758
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,839
getting a parking space. on the day and
I had no problem. Okay. There was one

759
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:44,640
other vehicle there and it was gone when
I came back.

760
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:48,160
» Good. Good. So, um I didn't really do
very much between the guy that was

761
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:56,079
running around in the woods with his
crazy dog speech and then um as I got

762
00:57:52,720 --> 00:58:00,480
closer to the quote unquote beach area,
there were two boats down there. One was

763
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:04,880
leaving just as I kind of arrived, but I
was kind of up on a bluff, you know, so

764
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:08,799
I
And there was a beach chair down there

765
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:13,599
by the water. Nobody was sitting in it.
It had all these empty beer cans around

766
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:19,920
it and then a a party boat kind of
parked, you know, anchored uh just

767
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:24,400
offshore there. So, um
>> Babs Beach, is that what they call it?

768
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:29,359
» Babs is further down.
>> North Pond Beach. They specific area

769
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:33,359
they park is like a known
>> It's like the only part you can dock

770
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:37,200
your boat at or something. Right.
That's not that

771
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,359
pond.
>> Yeah, that's something like that.

772
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:41,920
» I don't know what they refer to it
either, but right

773
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:46,000
» spot.
>> Yeah. No, they call it a certain beach

774
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,680
like it was called something before
conservation took over, but um I forget

775
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:53,839
the name of it.
>> So, what I what I saw was like an old

776
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:56,000
asphalt road. Would you agree, Phil,
that there was like an old road?

777
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:02,079
» Yep.
>> And and then there were just loads of

778
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:06,160
pig paths all through there. Um,
>> yeah, there's problems with I think the

779
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:10,240
neighborhood kid. I think he has autism
or something and he goes his quad down

780
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:14,799
that road and he he rides his quad up
basically in that road area and tears up

781
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:18,000
a lot of the trail head over there and
causes erosion, right?

782
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:19,839
» I know that the town has spoken before
and it sounds like they just keep doing

783
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:25,599
it.
>> You see the burs like where they Yeah.

784
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:32,480
And it, you know, it looked to me like
this this damage had been done over many

785
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:38,720
years, you know, um and the paths down
to the pond or the lake um have been

786
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:42,319
eroded. So they're big erosion gullies
basically.

787
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:46,960
» And um
>> um it it just, you know, when you're in

788
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:50,480
a very damaged environment where you
know people have been doing some not so

789
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,280
nice things, you just get the creeps.
That's how I felt the whole time I was

790
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:58,319
there.
very uncomfortable. I didn't see too

791
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:02,640
much trash. I was expecting to see a lot
more trash than I actually saw.

792
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,920
» She's pretty good about going down there
and picking up fish. She goes there

793
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,599
probably once few times a week.
>> Yeah, except for the last

794
01:00:07,140 --> 01:00:11,119
[clears throat] year.
>> The beach chair with the empty beer and

795
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:15,040
I figured it might be from the party
boat that they, you know, just to for

796
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:17,920
going back and forth or something and
maybe they were going to clean it up. I

797
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:26,319
knew I wasn't. I was going to get out of
there. But um yeah, so my my impression

798
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:33,440
was um the first thing I thought as as a
land manager was I would want to have a

799
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:39,280
path that people could follow that would
give them some beach access.

800
01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:43,839
Um but that you know and then the other
all the other pig paths that were down

801
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:50,160
in the gullies that we would have to
block them somehow with water bars, with

802
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:58,480
logs, with straw waddle, with whatever
and try to keep people out of them. Um,

803
01:00:54,240 --> 01:01:03,200
that would have been my first step uh to
provide if you're opening that to the

804
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:07,520
public, which we obviously are,
>> there's a kiosk that does not explain

805
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:11,119
anything about the property.
>> And that's not I'm not pointing the

806
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:16,799
finger at anybody or blaming anybody or
whatever, but just saying that there's

807
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:20,960
no information of what this property is
and how we're trying to manage it or

808
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:25,920
anything.
people map that's on the kiosk. What's

809
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,440
What does that map say? Does that give
any information?

810
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:31,839
» Not really.
>> Showing you just a couple different

811
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:36,799
loops of trail,
>> but it doesn't it doesn't tell you um

812
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:41,680
anything about
>> what this property is. This, you know,

813
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:46,000
this is um managed by some, you know,
whatever. And the conservation

814
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:49,680
restriction is held by Massachusetts
Fish and Game and per order of

815
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:51,680
Massachusetts Fish and Game. this is how
we're managing the pro. There's nothing

816
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,119
that
>> there is the one that's called says it's

817
01:01:52,799 --> 01:02:00,400
a conservation area and then lists any
great list of prohibited items and

818
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:04,799
activities but right not
>> I I guess what

819
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:11,599
» so and then the the the rules there's
another little sign that that shows the

820
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:16,240
rules and again says nothing about dogs.
So, of course, people are using this

821
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:22,079
like the man I saw that day.
>> Um, and you just

822
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:29,599
running their dogs through or whatever,
you know, they want to do in there. Um,

823
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:33,440
so the rules themselves are not
adequate.

824
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:38,880
I keep saying I want to get over to the
Southwick manage wildlife management

825
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:43,680
area and just see how they have how Mass
Fishing Game has you know worked with

826
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:48,640
that or whoever or is it US Fish and
Wildlife whoever it is um how they're

827
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:53,359
explaining things to the public that
would be very helpful to know but you

828
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:59,119
know if you're just somebody coming from
the public and you don't know oh this

829
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:04,319
looks like a place I could go hiking or
maybe see the the lake, you know, it's

830
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:09,119
there's not enough information there to
really tell you how to do it or what's

831
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:13,359
going on there. So, that's what I
thought when I first saw the property.

832
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:18,960
People are just using it however they
want to. We are trying to restrict

833
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:25,039
access by only having, you know, five
parking spaces, however many, and towing

834
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:31,680
vehicles away that, you know, that can't
fit in five spaces.

835
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:36,880
And um but nobody's down there and until
unless you had have law a law

836
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:40,880
enforcement presence or somebody who's
every day monitoring that property and

837
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:46,559
calling law enforcement, this is
happening. Can you come and help? Um I

838
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:52,400
don't know. It just
um

839
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:55,599
» so in the context of the report that
Norm brought us last time and the

840
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:59,119
recommendations from the state and
whatnot and you know the conservation

841
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:04,240
commission had kind of their three-phase
plan on what they would like to do with

842
01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:07,200
the plantings and things and the maps
state group came and kind of had

843
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:13,200
different opinions.
>> Yeah. Does this change our mind on what

844
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:16,799
a path forward would be for
trying to do something to start

845
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:20,079
controlling some of the erosion and
getting some of these something going in

846
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:22,720
there growing and whatnot.
>> It changed my mind when I saw

847
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:28,000
» right
>> the severe damage. I I thought, you

848
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:32,960
know, I like better now what Mass Fish
and Wildlife suggested about putting

849
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:38,240
debris in the gullies, keeping people
out of those gullies so that they could

850
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:43,920
start to repair. And they were so deep
to me that I couldn't imagine I saw all

851
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:48,400
the concerns then about you put LOM in
there, let alone you're not I'm not even

852
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:51,680
worried about the invasive species seeds
that might go in there, but you put you

853
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:56,480
have to put a lot of lom in there to get
the plant going. and then you know we

854
01:04:54,000 --> 01:05:01,599
get a really bad storm
>> could wash everything down in they would

855
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:07,599
need to be monitored on a regular basis
who is going to do that.

856
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:12,880
» Um we don't have a a work group um of
city workers you know paid workers that

857
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:18,160
can do that that sort of work.
So, that's where my mind went, okay,

858
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:22,000
let's just what if we just stabilize
those gully areas, but we'll still have

859
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:27,760
to provide a way for the public to get
down to the pond at some point. Uh maybe

860
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:32,079
not where the musk turtles, cuz I think
it talked about the musk turtles and

861
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:37,119
that some of the natural material that
has built up on the shoreline. Um how

862
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:42,400
that's a great habitat for the musk
turtle. Um, so we wouldn't want to

863
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:47,599
direct people to that area, you know,
because people will be just trampling

864
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,640
and jumping in the water and whatever,
you know.

865
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:53,920
» Um, I didn't see the signs that were
down there. Did you see what the signs

866
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,160
said? The ones that were on that little
beach area.

867
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:01,039
» I did that.
>> Okay. I I didn't want to because of that

868
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:05,520
party boat there. Um, I didn't want to
go down. I It maybe says no swimming. I

869
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:09,119
don't know. Um,
>> I think it says clean up after yourself.

870
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,400
No trace. I've been on it before. Okay.
It's nothing

871
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:15,119
» okay.
>> Too crazy.

872
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:22,480
» Yeah. So, um but that that's the first
thought that I had was a marked trail.

873
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:27,520
Um and where you ask people to stay on
on the trail, but have a way for them to

874
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:32,000
enjoy the pond, to get down to the pond,
cuz that's probably why that they are

875
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:36,400
there to be able to at least see it. and
maybe a little like a little beach area

876
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:40,240
that they could, you know, wait in the
water if they wanted to.

877
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:45,680
» Um
um directing people cuz right now it's

878
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:50,160
just there's so many pig paths I was
afraid I was going to get lost and with

879
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:53,200
this crazy man running around with his
dog. [laughter]

880
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:58,319
I was thinking the first step that we
can we do have control over is updating

881
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:01,440
that board with information and maybe
changing it up a bit

882
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:05,680
» to kind of
>> be like, okay, well, should there or

883
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:09,200
shouldn't there be a trash can
>> because you said it says carry in and

884
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,039
carry out on them,
>> but then there's a trash can there.

885
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,480
Yeah.
>> So, it kind of like contradicts what the

886
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:18,319
sign is saying.
>> Um, I haven't gone down there, so

887
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:22,240
» I worry about the bears, too. You know,
having an open trash can. I don't like

888
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,480
it at at at the Sophanowski community
garden either.

889
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:28,640
» I mean, they keep that one closed really
tight though, which is pretty good cuz

890
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:33,839
» could easily get into that if you really
wanted to. But it it also encourages

891
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:37,119
the, you know, people to drop off. I've
seen things dropped off there that don't

892
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:39,839
fit in a trash, but they don't want to
take it. Yeah, they do that.

893
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:45,119
» They could do that.
>> And it just encourages that that sort of

894
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:50,559
behavior. So we should update the board
like come together with a like something

895
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:54,319
that's more visible something you know
that's something that we can control at

896
01:07:52,319 --> 01:08:00,880
this point you know
>> um laminate it so that and then mark off

897
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:06,720
trails so that the trails you do want
people to be on and enjoy mark them I

898
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:12,559
are there any paint spots that
>> we'd have to blaze it you know and you

899
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:15,200
know um that there are like um what do
You call those kind of erosion fences.

900
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:18,799
» Oh,
>> you know, of course.

901
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:22,319
» Yeah. Snow fences. And sometimes people
will go around them. So, I don't want to

902
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:27,520
I wouldn't want to see that, but I would
want to see a marked path.

903
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:34,799
» Yeah. Because on the other side where I
can access from um Babs Street or where

904
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:42,880
Firefly Farms is,
>> go down by the apartments. There's a

905
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:48,159
well um well open um trail. Kids use it
for bicycling and joggers use it and

906
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:52,560
things like that. There is a sign there.
I I didn't read it. I should read it

907
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:58,560
next time I go down it. But um there
it's not marked. There is one marked

908
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:03,920
trail I think which has a tree over it.
>> Um but um there's several different ways

909
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:07,920
that people go. Yeah. you know, they go
off of the trail to go this way or to

910
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:11,120
down to the beach quicker.
>> And then when you go up this way, that's

911
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:15,199
why I mentioned there's like the burn
area

912
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:19,199
» and that it was full of ticks, you know,
but I don't think it was meant for

913
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:23,120
anybody to be up there. It's meant for
management, I guess. Um I think that's

914
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:27,813
what Dennis mentioned the last time.
>> Did you prescribe burns on that property

915
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:33,759
up on that top at that top area? So
[clears throat] when I looked at it, it

916
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:38,159
had really well clear open paths, but
the markings weren't really clear.

917
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:41,679
» So that maybe make one color and say,
"Okay, this trail leads here."

918
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:45,120
» Kind of like what all the state parks
do.

919
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:49,199
» And then say, "Welcome here. Enjoy it."
You know, these are the,

920
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:53,040
» you know, that way they don't go off
here, go off there to do anything. I

921
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:55,600
don't know. That's just a suggestion.
But

922
01:09:53,520 --> 01:10:00,320
» Mhm. Yeah, I think um
>> I'm not great at creating things, but I

923
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:04,880
could certainly help, you know, create
some wordage or something to put up

924
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:08,880
there where it's more clear. I like the
map.

925
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:11,840
» Um and maybe we could update the sign
that's there.

926
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:15,520
» You know, whether we take the trash out
or leave it there, is it working? Who's

927
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:19,520
emptying the trash? You know,
>> somebody from the town.

928
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:22,560
» Probably the same folks that do
Senowski's trash can.

929
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:28,960
» Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah, I think the baby does it.

930
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:30,080
» Yeah. So, well, that's my thoughts, I
guess.

931
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:34,159
» Mhm.
>> But that's the start.

932
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:38,000
» So, so you you've seen the property the
from the parking lot area

933
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:42,080
» on the other side going in from the
other side. And I don't even think

934
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:48,560
that's it's marked with a sign. So,
>> you can from your side you can walk all

935
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:52,080
the way over to North Pond Conservation
Area.

936
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:55,440
» Yep. I believe that's part of it though,
like that whole conservation area.

937
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:58,239
That's part of it because there is a
town sign. It says it's conservation.

938
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,840
» Okay.
>> But, you know, it cuts off right at the

939
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:05,440
apartments.
>> Mhm.

940
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:09,120
» So, it ends there. It's It's pretty
>> The trails have markers already. They

941
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:13,199
have the trails have little tin markers
and have different colors.

942
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:16,400
» I did not see any of that when I was
there. Did you see any tin markers with

943
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:21,679
colors?
>> I didn't. Maybe maybe they came down and

944
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:25,600
they never put them up.
>> Maybe. Yeah, somebody may have pulled

945
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:30,400
them off. That that can always be a
problem.

946
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:35,679
» Um but I did not see anything like that.
And and that's why I was, you know,

947
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:41,120
trying to memorize. There were so many
pig paths. I'm thinking I want to know

948
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:47,040
how to get back if I have to get back
quick with this crazy man [laughter] or

949
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:52,080
his dog. Um, and I was looking for
blazes or, you know, any way to

950
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:56,640
identify. And all I could identify was
the the asphalt, the old asphalt road,

951
01:11:55,040 --> 01:12:02,080
you could tell, you know, where that
was. And so when I took a a little path

952
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:04,414
off to kind of see a little more, I made
sure [laughter]

953
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:18,320
it um it's a maze in there. It really is
a maze. Um so that may be one thing to

954
01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:24,800
do is to have um an organized
well-blazed

955
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:30,239
uh well-maintained path with a spur that
does come down to the pond.

956
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:34,320
» It would be good if it was a loop
>> because the goal is not to keep people

957
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:36,960
from it but to let them enjoy it but
right

958
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:43,760
» help the everything else grow around.
And if we

959
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:47,520
fill in the gullies with debris,
um, there were a lot of big trees on the

960
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:51,520
ground. Did you notice that there were
there was a lot of dead wood and stone?

961
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:55,280
» That would be good to
>> Yeah, we we'd need equipment to help us

962
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:58,080
move that. I mean, it's it's heavy, but
we could get equipment.

963
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:03,600
» You can get equipment in there because
the road, you know, that old road.

964
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:08,000
» So, I think we could do that. Um, and
just try the best we can. know the

965
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,360
public's still going to go where they
want to go, [laughter] but if we make it

966
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:14,445
uncomfortable for them, they might just
cut another path around the gully. I

967
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,920
don't know what's going to happen,
[clears throat] but

968
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:21,679
» yeah.
>> Um

969
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:26,480
I think [snorts] many people will obey
and will stay on a trail if you explain

970
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:29,600
it to them and and have a trail that's
well marked.

971
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:34,080
» Yeah. The people that's been using it
since before they took it over, they're

972
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:39,120
still using it. like they, you know,
like it was open properties,

973
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:45,040
» but you know, people have that been
there for years still.

974
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:49,440
» So, this North Pond Community Group or
whatever, what do they do?

975
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:51,920
» North Pond Community
>> Facebook.

976
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,880
» There's Is it a Facebook? I don't have
Facebook.

977
01:13:53,120 --> 01:14:00,400
Uh, Kangaman.
>> Kangaman Neighbors.

978
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:02,560
» No, Kangaman. Oh, something. Chris
Pratt's wife runs it.

979
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,640
» Oh,
>> what the hell is it called?

980
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,560
» I'm not on that.
>> That's not specific to the North Pond,

981
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,679
right?
>> Oh, it isn't.

982
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:11,040
» It's just that Kaman like the Hol
general.

983
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:14,320
» Okay, interesting. [clears throat]
>> I thought there was like a neighborhood

984
01:14:13,679 --> 01:14:18,800
group.
>> I think there I think it's actually like

985
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:22,880
a board, too. I think it's it's Conan.
I can't remember the name, but yeah,

986
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:27,920
they deal with just Conan stuff. Okay.
>> Yeah. Um, I know lake management has a

987
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:31,320
lot to do with the lake part of it, but
they don't have

988
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,926
backing. [clears throat]

989
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,760
I'm

990
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,280
in Hebrews.

991
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,400
They do. Okay.

992
01:16:42,738 --> 01:16:44,758
[clears throat]

993
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:53,320
» Of course. So
there's there 20

994
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:21,360
and that's why I'm thinking why is it
constitute property

995
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:24,800
That's a part if you will for at least
20 years.

996
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:28,080
» Yeah. But the sign on the bottom I don't
think it says that

997
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:31,719
» by the beach right it doesn't even say
what the top sign

998
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:39,840
there is
and one of them

999
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:43,760
» that's from the state isn't it?
>> Uh this is from the south.

1000
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,754
from down there,
>> right? Asations.

1001
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,239
» Yeah.
[clears throat]

1002
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,320
» And like I said, you know, people been
doing it for

1003
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:05,360
» right
>> years.

1004
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:08,080
» Not to that though, like
couple years.

1005
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:13,520
» Does it?
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, but

1006
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:18,480
So
there is a little area that get to a

1007
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,440
swimming area. So I'm thinking there is
a little section

1008
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:26,229
» maybe.
Yeah.

1009
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:33,679
They just
[clears throat]

1010
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:42,080
» so out of all this we do
>> something to Phil that we missed. The

1011
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:49,840
very last sentence says that we were
some more information

1012
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:53,480
there. Let me see if I can find it.
That last page

1013
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,960
completion. [clears throat]
This

1014
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:41,640
conservation
and give them our feedback

1015
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:51,600
letter that this report
it says in port

1016
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:55,520
they describe Elizabeth and Jen they
went with Elizabeth and Jen they gave

1017
01:19:53,520 --> 01:20:00,000
these different from mass fish and wlet
they gave these different um

1018
01:19:57,275 --> 01:20:06,800
[clears throat] idea and suggestions.
And then at the conclusion of the visit,

1019
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:12,159
Elizabeth and Jen, they would review
uh discuss

1020
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:18,480
management at fisheries and life and
then additional feedback are expected

1021
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:23,040
within the next weeks. So when I read
that it sounded like

1022
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:28,960
mass fish and wildlife should have
gotten to the conservation commission

1023
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:34,320
had more guidance other than just what
we're reading here

1024
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:39,920
» and so far we haven't seen that. So I
was just curious about that. I was

1025
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:48,320
reading the first two pages and then I I
looked at last paragraph and wondered

1026
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:52,480
where is feedback and guidance me when
they talked with upper management there

1027
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,960
were some more better ideas
>> right

1028
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:58,960
» or
something

1029
01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:02,880
I don't know it's just kind of kind of
scary that there's a conservation

1030
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:08,800
restriction of property that basically
you need law enforce out there and say

1031
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:13,360
don't to prevent people
illegal or illegitimate things according

1032
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:17,960
to the conservation restriction.
>> Right.

1033
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,960
» So they have differentation

1034
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:27,320
and us

1035
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:36,320
» I would like to know they if they had
any further funds

1036
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:43,600
did
what we're thinking of our thoughts are

1037
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:47,520
doing [clears throat] updating
or you know even you know we're doing

1038
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:53,840
the past if we can
>> we definitely need a lot more

1039
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:58,560
» well they want just
a whole

1040
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:03,360
» so we are dealing with conservation is
just erosion because [clears throat]

1041
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:07,880
like a stone thing with plantings like
that and that's what kind of charactes

1042
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:17,360
that was [clears throat]
concept involves establishment of a

1043
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:22,880
fortified trail consisting of native
plantings paired with a keystone pathway

1044
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:28,560
talking [clears throat] about trails in
this you know phase three any to me I

1045
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:35,787
thought it was backwards if you you know
want to correct erosion you need to

1046
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:38,560
provide a pathway for people to stay on.
[laughter]

1047
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:45,600
You want to have any hope of filling in
those gullies where people are accessing

1048
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:50,719
the the pond. But anyway, they talk a
little bit about the trail stuff there.

1049
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:56,159
Well, most of your right was about the
ocean and how to address the erosion,

1050
01:22:53,600 --> 01:23:01,520
but people are making the erosion. You
know, it's like it's not a nasty event.

1051
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:06,600
mother nature. It's people that are
causing this, you know.

1052
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,600
» Um,

1053
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:15,440
» so it sounds like we should be
coordinating with them or just giving

1054
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:19,360
them artist or
and then if they're waiting for us,

1055
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:24,480
they're going to just they're going to
start this plan if they think for us

1056
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:34,120
something to them. Yeah, I think they
got back to the state with something

1057
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:34,120
different and then one of [snorts] them.

1058
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:42,080
» So our job then is to get back to the
conservation and tell them

1059
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,920
after [snorts] after our site visit what
we would recommend and then consition

1060
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:49,679
commission
will get back to mass fish and wildlife.

1061
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:55,840
But do they have to be through us to do
it? It's a little I know we had to

1062
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:59,679
» I don't know. I don't know.
>> Okay.

1063
01:23:56,239 --> 01:24:04,159
» I think we I mean the we're the
um

1064
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:10,320
DRDA holder so
involved to some extent. Mhm.

1065
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:16,320
Um, so district
agree with and I were talking about, you

1066
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:21,520
know, uh, somehow establishing a trail
by bling,

1067
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,520
you know, making a path.

1068
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:53,040
Did the two of you like that idea or or
did you would you suggest

1069
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:57,120
» I haven't like I said I haven't been out
this to the specific erosion spot. I

1070
01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:02,080
don't I don't know where it is relative
to this so I can't speak on that. Mhm.

1071
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:07,199
» I think the issue isn't
>> signage and knowing where to go. It's

1072
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:10,719
how to fix the erosion problem and keep
it from happening is is what Yeah.

1073
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:13,520
» my understanding was. And they want they
want a fix from us. It's going to

1074
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:17,280
happen.
>> The signage the reason the signage and

1075
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:22,800
the trail marking is important is
because to fix the erosion, you've got

1076
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:27,120
to fix the people to some degree. Um is
I think what our point is

1077
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:31,840
» like educating Yeah. Yes, educating
people in soft ways without having a

1078
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:35,920
police officer out there every day. But
for those that

1079
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:42,239
» would follow legitimate,
>> keeping them away from the eroded areas,

1080
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:45,280
letting them know on that kiosk, you
know, how we are trying to address the

1081
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:51,480
erosion.
>> Even if they fix the path first, then we

1082
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,480
update the board.

1083
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,080
Let's

1084
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:19,120
get this out of here. [laughter] I mean
people use the area as a potty place as

1085
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:27,440
a you know so um getting some
cooperation that way is is just one one

1086
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:31,920
way of dealing or one part of a plan
that really wasn't addressed by what

1087
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:37,520
conservation commission was doing other
than at in phase three.

1088
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:40,239
Um
but we can think about it another month

1089
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:44,960
and
>> yeah

1090
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:49,920
I think we got to revisit this for sure.
>> Okay. So I'll just say in the notes no

1091
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:56,000
conclusion or
>> we just these are the couple of things

1092
01:26:51,440 --> 01:27:02,560
that we discussed and no conclusion
was or no consensus no conclusion about

1093
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:06,560
how to
deal with that further and if you could

1094
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:09,760
find out you know what conservation
commission does need do they want like a

1095
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:13,120
letter from us or
>> yeah find out exactly where it is too we

1096
01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:15,679
could be thought about something really
different.

1097
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:19,040
» Yeah. Yeah. And um
>> I'll get some text.

1098
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:23,199
» We could be. But at least you and I went
and explored the site so we know a

1099
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:27,920
little bit more about it.
>> Um I like I said, I don't want to go in

1100
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:35,199
there alone, but I would be very happy
to go in with others and um um would

1101
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:39,920
would really enjoy that and and
>> yeah, I mentioned I anytime if you want

1102
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:44,080
to go back, I can go with it.
>> Yeah. Okay. So maybe the two of us can

1103
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:50,400
» email back and forth and
>> figure out a time that we could go and

1104
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:53,199
um that way I could take more detailed
pictures or something. But

1105
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:58,800
» sure
>> um I was quite appalled by what I saw.

1106
01:27:58,051 --> 01:28:03,280
[laughter]
Needless to say.

1107
01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:10,320
» Okay, moving on to old business.
Sonowski property updates. Anyates on

1108
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:15,120
Sonowski? No, I I spent all my site
visit time and all of that on the other

1109
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:20,480
two properties. I haven't been back to
Sopenowski since the last report.

1110
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:25,600
» I'm assuming it's probably the same. Do
you know

1111
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:27,920
» I do have an update regarding the um um
what do you compost pile?

1112
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:32,320
» Okay.
>> So, there's

1113
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:40,000
issues with invasive species around it.
So, there are people um that um signed

1114
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:43,040
up for a a section of garden where they
did say that they would be happy to

1115
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:45,920
help.
>> Oh,

1116
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:50,719
» so we can reach out to those people that
signed up for the garden and maybe do a

1117
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:54,960
cleanup afterwards, you know, when we
when we take everything down,

1118
01:28:52,719 --> 01:28:58,639
» maybe we can get that part.
>> Yeah. Something like that. So, I will

1119
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:03,040
bring that up to Bert because Bert is
the one that um manages

1120
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:06,560
» and you'll let us know so that those of
us that want to help if we can on that

1121
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,040
day
>> absolutely have like a

1122
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:11,920
» have the fall clean up.
>> Yeah. So, um

1123
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,480
» that would be good put our heads
together then

1124
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:17,840
» somehow do that because if there's
poison ivy in there Yeah. Yeah.

1125
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,280
» probably wouldn't be good for people to
touch that. So,

1126
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:23,840
» yeah.
>> But yeah, so thank you for bringing that

1127
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:28,480
up. But I saw that we do have volunteers
that signed up for cleaning the the area

1128
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:31,960
and compost as part of that area.
>> Okay. Mhm.

1129
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:40,480
» Okay. Anything else? Any other matters?
>> I think that's all.

1130
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:43,440
» Okay. I'm going to close this meeting
off.

1131
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:47,920
» Make a motion to journ the meeting.
>> 8:32. I second a motion to close the

1132
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:51,760
meeting. Conor Flurry. I
>> Bill Price. I

1133
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,040
» J P. Martha Kane. I
>> take this without the meeting.