[0:00] Okay, today is Tuesday, September 8th,
2026.
[0:05] We are here with the Open Space Land
Management
[0:09] Open Space Land Management and Planning
Committee um at 454 College Highway. Um
[0:17] roll call. Connor Flurry. I
>> Bill Price I.
[0:21] » Jabro I.
>> Martha Kaine.
[0:25] Okay, first item on the agenda is
approved meeting many minutes from
[0:30] previous meeting.
[0:42] » Anybody want to make a motion?
>> I can make a motion to approve the
[0:46] minutes of the last meeting.
>> I second the motion.
[0:49] » Call vote Conor Fer. I
>> Price I.
[0:52] » John Petro I. Mark
[1:11] signing twice.
>> Yeah.
[2:11] that.
>> Mhm.
[2:13] » Okay. We [clears throat] didn't have
this item on the agenda, but it's going
[2:17] to be under uh kind of other matters
here. Um it is the discussion or
[2:25] approval of the master plan action
items. provided by the master plan
[2:30] committee for um well for for us the
open space committee.
[2:37] Um this is provided by Norm Shver. Um we
kind of went over it with him I think it
[2:43] was last meeting uh he was here and we
haven't really had the time to discuss
[2:47] it or go over it.
Um yeah, you guys thoughts on on this
[2:56] [clears throat]
>> as we discussed in the last meeting when
[3:00] Norm was here. Um so the priority they
gave the items the
[3:06] action item 3.3 was their number one
priority and the one that they would
[3:09] like us to tackle in this coming year if
we don't defer it, which they said which
[3:14] he recommended we do defer it to uh
focus on the OSRP. Um, but like I said
[3:21] when I in the last meeting I asked him
if he could kind of clarify some of what
[3:24] this means and
so we could maybe make some progress on
[3:28] it in the in the background even if we
defer doing this for the coming year but
[3:33] you know continue acquisition and
promotion of the wildlife corridor
[3:35] spanning the borders between South Lake
and Grandby and Granville and Westfield
[3:40] annual meetings with land owners etc.
Um,
[3:44] has anybody ever done this before? Do we
have some ongoing contact? Is there
[3:48] something we can work from? Do we have a
list of who these property owners are?
[3:52] So on and so forth. And and Norm said he
was going to try to get us a little
[3:58] background information. I don't know uh
when or how we can expect to get that,
[4:02] but you know, some clarification on that
and what we're trying to accomplish, I
[4:06] think, would be helpful. Um but I am
also all for taking up uh Norm's
[4:13] suggestion that we defer focusing you
trying to accomplish this this year with
[4:20] the NFL also.
>> Yeah.
[4:23] » But like I said, you're right. If we if
there's anything we can be doing and get
[4:25] a little bit of traction on it and knock
off some aspect of it, at least figure
[4:29] out what it is we're supposed to be
doing.
[4:31] » I think it's a good middle ground. You
know, we can push it off but still kind
[4:34] of work on it. Sure. Now, if it's easier
than we think, we can kind of approach
[4:37] him with it sooner. And if it's
something that it seems like it's kind
[4:41] of more than we can take on, we'll just
keep it, you know, right in the
[4:45] background.
I was thinking that we would look over
[4:50] these and I agree with deferring
whatever you know we side but
[4:56] » you know he talked about um trans
reading the action item and deciding you
[5:01] know if if this should be cancelled if
this should be transferred you know if
[5:06] he had several different things on his
handout so I started looking and I
[5:11] looked at um 1.9 there where it talks
about organized free workshops on
[5:17] innovative and regenerative regenerative
yes agricultural practices blah blah
[5:23] blah and it's very very close and that
one's assigned to open space committee
[5:29] and it's very very close to the one um
under you know the supporting role ones
[5:35] there's a supporting role one that's 3.2
two econ under economic development.
[5:42] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's almost identical. It starts out
[5:45] almost identical and there's a few
little things that are tweaked
[5:48] differently and that one they've given
to the agricultural commission
[5:54] with us having a supporting role and
then then they gave us this one which is
[5:59] nearly identical
>> agriculture. Yeah. So that bothered me
[6:05] and I went to you remember Jen wouldn't
remember but this little paragraph
[6:10] remember when Connor you got that from
Diane Gale we were looking at they had a
[6:16] whole big write up on the open space
and recreation plan committee and then
[6:23] they had this little paragraph for us
the open space land management committee
[6:28] that supposedly the select board had
approved
[6:33] that uh you probably remember that we
had this charter. The conservation
[6:37] commission tried, Sabrina tried. They
came up with some really cool things and
[6:40] we looked at it and we gave, you know,
feedback to them on it and they sent
[6:44] that to the select board and the select
for came up with this. And you might
[6:48] remember we were going over it going,
wait a minute, the language here, it's
[6:53] assigning the open space and recreation
plan committee to actually do these
[6:58] annual things. And here it just says
something about be involved in. You
[7:03] remember that whole thing? Yep.
>> Um well, I I um started looking at it
[7:08] and I I I
took this paragraph and I just sort of
[7:12] spaced it out
so that um it's easier to read.
[7:19] » Um it's the exact same verbiage. It's
just, you know, and I'm thinking there's
[7:24] nothing in here that says anything about
preserving working farmland or anything
[7:31] about farmland in under scope of work.
Um, and that sort of bothered me. So,
[7:38] I'm thinking, you know, my first thought
was looking back at this 1.9
[7:43] if the charge from the select board is
this, if this is truly official and
[7:50] Connor thought it was adopted because
you remember I asked, "Is this adopted?"
[7:54] Because it had a blank there. And Connor
said, "Yeah, Gail, you know, Diane Gail
[7:59] had given us this." And so, I sent an
email to Christy Mayadette. I haven't
[8:04] heard back from her yet to ask cuz I
tried researching to find the one that
[8:09] would say adopted April 26th or
whatever, you know, couldn't find it
[8:14] anywhere in the records. And so I
thought Christy could help me look it
[8:19] up, but
and this is probably a long- winded
[8:23] thing, but I'm thinking something like
talking about regenerative agricultural
[8:29] practices. It's not under our scope of
work. So I think that this should be
[8:34] transferred back to the agricultural
commission, you know, or just cancelled
[8:40] because the agricultural commission
already has one that's just about the
[8:43] same written the same.
>> Gotcha.
[8:45] » So what I was thinking is in addition if
we all agreed in addition to telling
[8:51] we'd like to defer for a year for good
reason that we could also give them some
[8:55] feedback on those. I almost wonder if
they're going to run into a lot of what
[8:59] they ask of us while we're doing the
open space and recreation plan itself.
[9:03] It's like, oh, okay, this is on here.
Like, I wonder if a lot of it overlaps.
[9:07] And if it does, then we might even knock
a good part of this out just by doing
[9:10] the the recreation plan.
>> Um, yeah. Well, it's it's hard to say
[9:15] because we haven't done the survey yet
and we haven't had the public meetings,
[9:19] right,
>> to get the feedback, but I don't think
[9:22] that these types of things are things
that are going to come up by the public.
[9:26] The other three
sort of fit with our scope of work,
[9:31] » right?
>> Um, you know, where it where it it talks
[9:34] about helping the conservation
commission with implementation of
[9:37] related goals, but it doesn't
specifically state that we're to go out
[9:42] and do X, Y, and Z, you know, working
with land owners and finding these
[9:47] lands. It doesn't really say that. The
scope of work really talks more about
[9:52] maintenance, about looking at our open
space properties and our natural
[9:58] resource management and determining
areas of maintenance, keeping upkeep,
[10:03] maintain and improve trails and
facilities, plan and organize the work
[10:07] groups to do that work. Seek funding as
necessary. Manage community engagement.
[10:14] um and then be actively involved in
leading the open space and recreation
[10:18] plan report
um and then assist conservation
[10:23] commission with implementation of
related goals. So it seems like the
[10:26] select board which is giving us our
charge
[10:30] has either left out a lot of stuff that
the old open space committee did.
[10:34] [laughter]
I I don't know. I I just went back and
[10:37] looked at that and then looked at what
we had been assigned. Now, keep in mind
[10:42] when this master plan thing was done,
there wasn't an open space committee at
[10:47] all. So, maybe it was a generic in the
master plan. It just says open space
[10:51] committee,
>> right?
[10:52] » And maybe they went back, the committee
went back, the master plan committee
[10:56] went back and just looked at what did
the old open space committee do, you
[11:00] know, [laughter]
and maybe that's why we got to sign
[11:02] these things that don't match
necessarily what the select board says
[11:06] we're supposed to be doing. I don't
know. So, so Jen, I mean, not to put you
[11:10] on the spot or to have you speak for the
agricultural commission, but do you
[11:13] happen to know if the agricultural
commission is on this item 3.2? Do
[11:19] » so. Um, we have our own top four. It's
not one of them.
[11:24] » Okay.
>> But we do already do some workshops like
[11:28] at the library and things like that. So,
>> um,
[11:32] » innovative and agricultural practices.
>> Right. Right. I mean, Yeah. Okay. That's
[11:38] not a strong suit of mine.
>> We had land for good. We had um you know
[11:43] farm American farmland trust um at the
library. We'd have we'd have those
[11:49] they're not regular meetings but open
and you know free workshops and things
[11:55] like that. So, like you said, Connor, I
think it goes hand inand when we start
[11:59] doing a plan, we're we're working
together because um it says to work with
[12:05] open space
>> land management. So, as we get going in
[12:09] our plan, I think
>> so, right? Hopefully, we can both both
[12:13] » parties can work together and we can
kind of both.
[12:18] » So, I think I agree that we that we
could be a supporting role. I just I'm
[12:23] just I because I've worked for state and
city governments before, you know,
[12:28] they've always put out that framework.
This is your boundaries. If you step
[12:32] outside, you better ask permission. This
is your So, I'm always looking at what
[12:37] are we authorized to do first, knowing
that the master plan implementation
[12:43] committee, the people who worked on the
master plan had no clue of this. we
[12:48] didn't have this until right
>> April of this year. So um so they were
[12:54] saying things like that.
>> I'm also very sensitive to the fact that
[12:59] our time is so very limited. It's so
difficult for us to find time even to
[13:02] get out to visit a site, never mind to
then organize a workg group, go out and
[13:08] do that. So to in my mind maintaining
and improving what we already have
[13:16] is my top priority. That's how I think.
And all these other things are like, you
[13:22] know,
>> yeah,
[13:23] » side things. And for the other ones that
talk about working with land trusts and
[13:28] and working with land owners, we're so
new, you know, we don't even have a
[13:34] relationship with a land trust yet. We
haven't invited them to a meeting.
[13:38] you know, we don't know what they're
working. They may already South Land
[13:41] Trust may already have some of this
stuff they're working on.
[13:45] » Um, I don't know if they know about the
Wildlife Quarter. They may, you know.
[13:50] » Hello.
>> Good.
[13:52] » All right.
>> Going.
[13:54] » Great. You guys having a good time?
>> Oh, yeah. We're not building the open
[13:58] space and recreation plan. This is our
land management meeting. So, we're
[14:02] happy. [laughter]
[14:05] » Thanks for stopping in.
[14:09] you know, so that's why I think I really
agree with what you both have said about
[14:13] deferring um with our other work on this
recreation plan. We don't have time, I
[14:19] don't think. Now, I'm just saying giving
my opinion
[14:23] » to try to make those relationships and
and the things that we would need
[14:27] » to be right in the meantime in the next
few months if we can at least start
[14:30] gathering of who these are and who we
should be talking to and whatever and
[14:34] get the intro. You know, we we all know
that this stuff takes months, it seems
[14:38] to
>> yeah,
[14:39] » start gaining any traction and but if we
can
[14:42] » get the ball rolling a little bit
>> and if we do that there the other three
[14:46] are kind of all related. I think when I
read them, they all seem kind of related
[14:51] about land conservation, uh, working
with local land trusts. That one, that's
[14:56] the 1.5.
And then, um, an annual meeting, um, to
[15:01] update the parcels of land, that's very
very much the same thing except that
[15:06] that would be the Southwood committees
we'd be meeting with. And then the last
[15:10] one about the wildlife corridor that
would bring them all together really the
[15:15] land trust the maybe the mass fishing
game to find out what they think and so
[15:20] forth and so on. So if we once we get
rolling on this I can see we could knock
[15:25] them out one year after another without
any any problems once we made our
[15:30] established our connections and
so forth and so on.
[15:34] » Yeah. One of our um tasks on
agricultural commission is one we're
[15:38] going to be there's two different ones.
One for um discussing invasive species
[15:44] and what one with irrigation. So we
thought those were important for our
[15:49] farmers. Um, but the that coincides with
1.9 with the regular free workshops to
[15:57] educate the public on these things so
they can help reduce
[16:03] um um invasive species and things like
that. So it will go hand in hand
[16:09] eventually with the with that one. So,
as we work together and as we start our
[16:15] plan is um Becky from PVCP
Pioneer Valley Planning Committee um
[16:23] she's meeting with us so we're going to
start our meetings too. So, it's going
[16:26] to I looked at our plan and it kind of
aligns with
[16:29] » is that on here as a supporting role for
us or is that all under that um 3.2 too
[16:35] that you were just talking about that in
addition to the free workshops on that,
[16:40] you wanted to have
the invasive species and the irrigation
[16:45] stuff. Where where is that? Is that
>> Oh, that's on the agricultural list.
[16:49] This is not the
>> Yeah, but what I'm asking is is that one
[16:52] that they got us in a supporting role. I
don't know if you've had a chance to
[16:55] look at the supporting role.
>> Sure. Which one?
[16:58] » I think you supporting role on the last
one we closed out together.
[17:03] » I remember 1.4. Yeah, that was
>> I don't think that you were sporting on
[17:07] those
funny you would think that invasive
[17:11] species and and then the water level and
the irrigation
[17:15] » would fit very well with open space land
management but again they weren't
[17:20] thinking open space land management
>> maybe
[17:22] » you know when they when they did this.
So
[17:25] » I forget which ones um that we are
currently the top four that we're
[17:29] working on but um I know that one isn't
one of them at this time. So, um, we
[17:35] closed the ones out together, the 1.4
one, because we do have that annual, uh,
[17:41] farmers forum, which kind of includes
all that, the chapter 61 and things like
[17:45] that.
>> I made a note on that.
[17:47] » But, yeah.
>> Yeah. And the other ones that are
[17:51] talking their their um, conservation
commission that we're supporting.
[17:54] » Yeah. We're meeting tomorrow so I can
look up what um, you know, where that
[17:58] aligns with our our list.
>> Yeah. Um, so we can go from there for
[18:03] sure.
>> Yeah. Just I can see a real close
[18:06] relationship there. We're managing
invasive species on our conservation
[18:10] lands. You know, the farmlands have the
same problem probably.
[18:14] » Of course. Yeah.
>> More than likely.
[18:16] » Yep.
[18:19] » Yeah. I uh unfortunately
we we weren't around when [laughter]
[18:25] this was done.
>> Yeah. Exactly. So anyway, that was my
[18:29] thought that maybe in addition in to
telling them we would like you to defer
[18:34] for a year and
you know it it seemed Norm was saying
[18:39] that that's what he would recommend too
that they'd be fine with that that we
[18:43] could give them some feedback in terms
of the four and particularly suggest to
[18:49] them um that 1.9 organized free and
regular
[18:54] workshops on innovative and regenerative
agricultural practice is that that one
[19:00] [clears throat] um either be cancelled
or transferred.
[19:04] » You I mean you know you're right that so
much of it is duplicated
[19:08] under the agricultural commission. Now
that one happens to be out of the the
[19:12] one here for the egg commission is under
the chapter for economic development and
[19:16] under us it's under the chapter for open
space but right there are certainly
[19:21] » a great deal of overlap.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, um,
[19:27] and I I don't unless unless this charge
that Diane Gail gave us was changed and
[19:34] and they put under their preserve
working farmland or something like that
[19:39] for us as a major scope of work,
>> right?
[19:42] » You know, I personally would rather not
do that. leave that to the agricultural
[19:48] commission be a supporting role for them
and focus because there's so few of us
[19:55] focus on the main things that they did
give us the maintenance and the writing
[19:59] the management plans and and all of
that.
[20:02] » I have a question. Um these four did you
did you all vote on having these four as
[20:08] your most important?
>> These were the only four that they gave
[20:12] us. And they they only put a few in the
master plan for the open space because
[20:17] there wasn't an open space committee.
>> Sure.
[20:19] » They were hoping in fact one of the
action items in that master plan was to
[20:25] develop a permanent ongoing rather than
a ad hoc a permanent ongoing open space
[20:32] land management type of committee.
>> Sure. Y
[20:35] » So that's why I think there were a few
things that I thought, oh, if we do get
[20:38] that committee,
>> that's probably where that should fall.
[20:42] » Okay. And I don't agree with them
personally, you know, according to this
[20:49] from the select board.
>> Sure. Yeah.
[20:51] » Um I I think there's a lot of things
that if I if I were queen of the forest,
[20:58] if if I wrote the master plan that I
would give an open space land
[21:02] management, I would be putting a lot of
those maintenance knowing that our lands
[21:08] haven't been touched. We haven't been
walking boundaries, you know, and that's
[21:12] legally that's required for in those
conserv when we have a conservation
[21:16] restriction, but we've not been able to
do that because we don't have the people
[21:20] to do that. I mean, that seems to me
that that's the stuff that should be in
[21:24] a master plan for us.
>> Sure. Yeah.
[21:27] » Um along with, you know, what they the
other three which they do give us.
[21:32] » Yeah.
[21:35] So, we want to vote on postponing this
for now.
[21:39] » Yeah.
>> I make [clears throat] a motion to
[21:41] postpone the master plan action items um
until further notice.
[21:47] » I second them.
>> Uh roll call vote. Conor Flurry. I Bill
[21:50] Price.
>> Ira.
[21:53] Sorry.
>> Can I?
[21:55] » All righty.
>> Then we will get something to the
[21:58] conservation commission to Norm saying
that we will take him up on his offer to
[22:01] let us defer this for here.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[22:03] I was going to um volunteer if you want
to write up something like that because
[22:11] it does say if you want to transfer or
cancel an item. I just think it would be
[22:16] good to give them a heads up and even
ask them when we defer for a year, you
[22:20] know, tell them that we did look at the
four action items assigned to open space
[22:26] and we are concerned, you know, about
that one particular one
[22:32] » and and and any information or
clarification they can give us on so
[22:37] that we can get going as well.
>> Yeah. So rather than just saying we we
[22:40] would take you up on your offer and we
defer, but maybe a little bit more
[22:44] information and I'd be happy to draft up
something that everybody could look at
[22:48] and and then you could vote, you know,
cross out this sentence. No, we only
[22:54] want we've decided we only want to
defer. That's all we want to say. What
[22:59] do you think?
>> Yeah, I can do that. We can vote on it
[23:01] next meeting.
>> Okay.
[23:03] » And then the the receiving party has to
agree to accept too as well.
[23:07] » Yes. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's why I think a question to
[23:10] them telling them, but the agricultural
committee already has
[23:14] » an action that's almost identical to
that one. So, how should we cancel?
[23:19] Should we mess with the agricultural
commission and see what they want to do?
[23:23] » Right. Right.
>> Maybe maybe they will dovetail them
[23:27] together and you know um I don't know.
They they look so similar. I don't even
[23:32] think you need to.
>> Right. Exactly.
[23:36] » Okay. So, next item under new business
is discuss Martha's report of Woodland
[23:43] Ridge.
[23:46] Martha, you provided a you went out did
a site visit on Woodland Ridge open
[23:50] space area there in a subdivision and
wrote us a nice report.
[23:56] Well, I'm I'm hoping that the only
reason I did that is to just jot down
[24:02] some notes for myself and I thought I'll
share it with all of you so that you'd
[24:06] have a chance to read my thoughts before
the meeting to save time, but not to
[24:11] discuss it by email. I know we are not
supposed to do that but hoping that
[24:15] others would go too and so that it
wouldn't just be my opinion because the
[24:21] way I look at a property as a former
nature preserve manager I'm looking at
[24:25] it you know invasive species and what
are the wildlife doing and is there any
[24:31] danger here for people [laughter]
so I have a very narrow view someone
[24:36] else may look at something different
>> yeah I mean it's just a couple acres of
[24:41] fairly flat reasonably open land and
river is mowing those paths through
[24:45] there is doing a very nice job to make
it accessible which is which is great
[24:49] but so right what what does
what is the concern or what problem are
[24:55] we trying to fix over there
>> I don't know if you saw the emails going
[24:59] back and forth but I had asked some
questions
[25:01] » right
>> and Sabrina came up with the deed which
[25:04] I've been hopefully between the long
email chain or the email that I also
[25:09] just sent that everybody
>> I wasn't in that chain for the deed cuz
[25:12] I just saw the first deed one today.
>> Okay.
[25:14] » With the deed in there. I wasn't I was
like, "Where the hell is this deed thing
[25:17] coming from?" So I Yeah, I wasn't in the
conversation with that.
[25:20] » Yeah, that's why I sent a separate
email. I I have trouble with Outlook
[25:24] when I used to do Outlook where state
government, you know, it was much easier
[25:28] to keep up with those long chains and
make sure the attachments were going and
[25:32] coming and um but with this with my
Gmail now, I I just get so confused. So,
[25:38] I thought I'll send a separate email to
everybody to make sure that everybody
[25:41] did get that deed. It's it's a bunch of
>> What do we need the deed for?
[25:47] » Well, the first question was how many
acres are really out there? The deed
[25:51] tells us that we have 32
something.
[25:56] » Yes.
>> Yeah. 32.14 acres. And it talks about
[26:00] the parcels. We can go to wherever and
look up exactly where those parcels are.
[26:06] So, I have no idea. I know I didn't look
at 32 acres when I was out there.
[26:11] » No. No.
>> Um I only looked at part and I did go
[26:15] off and look by Great Brook and um saw
the extremely steep embankments there
[26:23] which where erosion could very easily
occur. And I could see a child. There
[26:26] was a child's fort kind of there. And I
kind of looked and went, "Oh boy, if I
[26:31] was a mom, I wouldn't want my kid this
close to the brook, you know, where he
[26:34] might tumble or she might tumble down."
>> I didn't see the fort, but I popped in
[26:38] somewhere and and saw the brook and
right it was was significant drop on
[26:42] that on that side. It's very very steep.
>> The other thing I wanted to know is is
[26:46] there a conservation restriction or does
the deed spell out anything that that we
[26:52] should know? And it really didn't. And
from the conversation email conversation
[26:57] with Sabrina, uh there is no
conservation restriction. It was pretty
[27:02] much she said cuz I suggested maybe we
take this to the town lawyer and ask
[27:07] them, you know, for some guidance in
terms of what we can and cannot do with
[27:12] the property or what the residents can
and cannot do. It was just turned over
[27:16] to the conservation commission. And so
basically Sabrina said that you know
[27:23] it's up to the conservation commission
to decide you know what happens there.
[27:29] And then you know I had also asked well
did the conservation commission um have
[27:34] they already given a document to the
residents and said you know hello
[27:39] [laughter]
you know we are the ones who are
[27:41] managing this land or whatever
responsible for the land and um these
[27:46] are some things we'd like you to know
about or have any meetings with them or
[27:50] and she wasn't aware of anything like
that. So, we've got this property out
[27:54] there where um I don't even know where
all the parts are. Um and I have like at
[28:02] our last meeting, I expressed liability
concerns.
[28:07] Joe Blow is out there with his mower and
he's mowing the pass and all that. What
[28:11] if the mower turns over and Joe Blow is
hurt? You know, um could they sue the
[28:16] town for that? Uh what if um they decide
they want to take out some trees or um
[28:24] they want to make a soccer field there.
Let's let's take out that field and
[28:27] let's make a soccer field for our kids,
you know, and keep it mowed. Um what's
[28:33] to stop them from doing that? You know,
is would the cons would they would they
[28:37] know to even ask the conservation
commission for permission to do that?
[28:42] So, I the more I thought about the
property, the more I got nervous and um
[28:48] being a former property manager for a a
municipal land, um I'm thinking I I'm
[28:55] not comfortable because I don't have my
little here's what you can and can't do.
[29:00] [laughter] You know, here's and uh
I think we're very very lucky that the
[29:07] the residents have taken very good care
of that. Uh there were things I was
[29:12] seeing um there's quite a bit of calorie
pear coming in that very invasive um
[29:18] people know it as the Bradford pear and
it's definitely fruing. there were pear
[29:23] fruits on there. So, it's it could be
dispersing. And then when I saw a lot of
[29:29] people get confused between sumac and
tree of heaven
[29:33] » from a distance, you know, if you don't
get up close, you might think because
[29:36] they have the penately compound leaves
that same kind of leaf shape. Um, so I
[29:42] got right up and I thought, "Oh my gosh,
that's a whole cops of of tree of
[29:47] heaven." And that's one of the host
trees for the spotted lantern fly.
[29:51] » [laughter]
>> we really ought to take that out of
[29:54] there, you know. Um, we don't want that
to become a place where the lantern
[30:00] flies are attracted, you know, and and
then from there their population grows
[30:05] and then they're invading everywhere,
you know. So, there were some things
[30:08] like that that I was seeing um that um
I'm thinking how in the world are we
[30:15] going to do this? you know, we don't
have any money to um do herbicide
[30:22] applications to hire someone to do that.
We could go and just cut, you know, some
[30:28] of the tree of heaven and maybe even
take out a couple of calorie pairs. I
[30:33] don't know. Um but that's something that
you would have to repeat repeat. Um, so
[30:40] I I was just having a lot of questions
and and anxiety in myself thinking I I
[30:47] don't want to touch anything until I
find out more from somebody. So that was
[30:51] why, you know, I was asking the
questions and this was really all that
[30:56] Sabrina could find was this this deed
saying that it's a certificate of title.
[31:03] So, so this property kind of came to our
attention or was brought up because
[31:08] someone
>> Yeah, I was just looking for that
[31:09] information. Um,
>> yeah. Do we know who contacted and what
[31:13] they were contacting about?
>> I have to dig deeper in my email, but
[31:17] she basically had just asked Sabrina,
you know, what was going on with that
[31:20] middle area and I guess kind of had some
concerns about the condition of it. um
[31:27] to to follow that up. I think that's
kind of our next thing is to have her in
[31:30] here because like like Martha was
saying, do they want to put a soccer
[31:33] field there? They want to keep it, you
know, the same, you know. I think
[31:36] getting kind of her insight on what she
wants to do with it or neighbor wants to
[31:41] do with it and then approaching a town
lawyer at that point about, you know,
[31:45] » can and can't do what,
>> right? Right. Kind of what's there and
[31:48] what's not and all that. Um
>> is there any signage that it's a town?
[31:53] There's a split row fence
on the front face of it, but not all not
[31:58] all the way around, but just like
portion. It's more decorative than
[32:01] anything.
>> Right. There's no signage that I saw,
[32:04] but
>> yeah, it's kind of the neighborhood
[32:06] almost.
>> Yeah. And and again, it's not the full
[32:09] 32 acres. I don't know where all
>> I think it's six because it breaks it
[32:13] down here. It says there's
>> um three parcels. One's 24, one's six.
[32:19] Um
[32:22] it three.
>> Yeah somewhere too.
[32:26] » One parcel consisting
[32:30] is two for a total of 32.
>> Wow.
[32:33] » So the back area is probably 24. That
center is probably six. That seems like
[32:37] six.
>> Like they develop the houses 32 acres
[32:42] total.
>> No. Well, there's there's there's open
[32:44] space land behind those houses. That's
part of that. So maybe all of this
[32:48] forested.
>> Yeah. One consisting of 6.8 acres, a
[32:52] second parcel consisting 24
>> and a third
[32:57] 3997.
So
[32:59] » but they're all like together.
>> It doesn't say that. It just says it's
[33:03] shown on map
>> and there's a map in the deed's office.
[33:07] So, I'm thinking they are not continuous
cuz like what based on what Connor was
[33:11] saying, he thought some of that woods
behind the resident's homes might be
[33:16] part of it, too. Huh.
>> No, they are. I know they are.
[33:19] » Okay.
>> Cuz I I agree with Sabrina
[33:22] » before you guys. And it part of that or
>> that's what we need is a map to show us
[33:27] exactly where. But I agree. I think the
6.85 985 is probably
[33:33] um the um the meadow area in there
perhaps and a little piece down by Great
[33:40] Brook and then maybe the other
>> Hello.
[33:44] » Look at the Sabrina grabbed the thing.
>> Oh, hey. [laughter]
[33:48] » Boom.
>> I didn't want you guys keep being
[33:52] tortured. I I'm like I got the map.
>> Oh, okay.
[33:57] » So, here's Woodland Ridge. Um, can you
see my mouse kind of wiggling around the
[34:01] screen?
>> That's Woodland Ridge. The the large
[34:04] open space parcel in the middle
>> is right here. But actually, if you see
[34:08] to the left, you can see smaller map
that sort of encompasses the entire open
[34:14] space property. So, it does kind of
encircle the subdivision. We've got one
[34:20] little spot right um down here, number
one um 23 right here. That's also open
[34:26] space. This little area here, that's
open space. And it looks like we have a
[34:30] sliver right here. It's It's a It's a
wonky shaped parcel split up into three
[34:36] separate parcels.
>> Yeah.
[34:41] » Gotcha.
>> And all one building there between 29
[34:44] and 30.
>> Yeah. I was just looking at that too,
[34:46] Phil, and I was thinking when I was
driving around, I was trying to figure
[34:50] out how would I get to the woods. You
know,
[34:52] » there's a there's a an area between two
of the houses with a split rail that is
[34:57] on what we believe is open space
property that is I think it's that
[35:02] sliver where her mouse is.
>> I thought maybe that was somebody's
[35:05] driveway the way that I couldn't see
something that looked
[35:09] » that looked obvious to me.
Maybe maybe the land owners are using
[35:16] are doing something.
>> Oh, interesting. There's actually a
[35:19] driveway in one place, you know, that I
thought looked like that might be where
[35:24] I could access, but I I don't recall
seeing something that looks like that.
[35:28] This is an older map, too. So,
>> there's split split rail there now.
[35:33] » Yeah, there's split rails right where my
mouse is. Um, okay.
[35:37] » I guess this area actually washed out
>> a few years ago badly, so I don't know
[35:42] how accessible the back portion of the
property is from here, but this spot is
[35:47] open space. And right now the neighbor,
it just looks like the neighbor or both
[35:50] neighbors are just kind of mowing it and
there's like some lawn decorations, but
[35:54] it is open space.
>> Okay.
[35:56] » Where was the brook you guys were
talking about? Where is that?
[35:59] » It goes around the whole thing.
>> I mean, where did you guys enter?
[36:02] » Oh, was it over here?
>> I kind of Yeah, kind of in here
[36:06] somewhere.
>> Oh, okay.
[36:08] » Actually, let's see.
So
[36:12] » what is
what's the thing that what says number
[36:17] one?
>> What says number one?
[36:20] » There is number one on two sides there.
>> You you just highlighted what was number
[36:24] one. Yeah.
>> This
[36:28] » So that that's our piece that you you've
got the mouse on.
[36:32] » This what this piece is not ours.
>> Oh by Mark Fletcher.
[36:39] » Okay. You can kind of over to the left,
you can kind of see the property
[36:43] information. So, owner name, um, Mark
Fletcher, and he's on 29 depot.
[36:49] » Okay.
>> Okay. So, we walked on somebody's
[36:52] private property.
>> Yeah, that's I looked over into also.
[36:55] Yeah.
>> I thought that was ours. Well, I'm glad
[36:58] nobody had a gun. [laughter]
[37:03] » It's between 20 and 30. 29 and 30.
>> Yeah.
[37:07] » Is the access.
>> Yep.
[37:09] supposedly. I I didn't It wasn't obvious
to me. I kept looking, you know, where
[37:13] that that culde-sac is up there. I can't
read the numbers.
[37:17] » 50 and something maybe. I thought maybe
there. Um
[37:21] » you could probably also access it from
the tip of the
[37:25] » Yeah, that's what I was looking at. But
it had a driveway there today or the
[37:30] other day when I checked it now. That's
not apparent on that map. There's like a
[37:35] driveway or Oh, there's the driveway.
Okay.
[37:38] So off to the left of the driveway.
>> Yep.
[37:42] » Okay.
>> So that's between 29 and 30.
[37:46] » This is addresses.
>> Okay.
[37:49] » That's between 29 and 30 split fence. It
looks like 30 yard, but it's not.
[37:52] » Okay.
>> Interesting.
[37:57] And it looks like it's all wooded wooded
property. No, the the middle part is all
[38:02] like a natural prairie or meadow
>> and then the larger
[38:06] » the big out the larger piece the 24
acres or whatever that one is wooded.
[38:11] Yeah.
>> Okay.
[38:12] » And that's where you can see great brook
going through.
[38:15] » Mhm. And I I don't know if the sides of
the brook are as steep on this side as
[38:22] they were on the other side, but
[clears throat]
[38:29] » maybe another way to access would be
through this sliver. But I mean, it's
[38:32] kind of hard to know where the property
lines are.
[38:35] » Like you're basically Yeah. You're
walking in someone's backyard. So
[38:39] » Yeah.
>> And I don't I don't know. Oh, that's
[38:42] Dave.
>> You can do it. That's David Williams
[38:45] house.
>> That's whose house? Whose house?
[38:48] » Williams.
>> David Williams.
[38:51] » We could get permission. We could get
permission basically. Just a well just a
[38:56] heads up if we really want to go back
here because he used to be chair of the
[39:00] conservation commission.
>> Okay.
[39:08] » I'm actually going to see what this
place looked like. Let's see if we have
[39:12] something in the ' 90s. Yeah, even back
in the 90s it was an open field right
[39:16] here.
>> Oh, wow.
[39:19] » So, I don't know when it was cleared. Um
I don't we don't have anything later
[39:24] than the '9s on on this um platform,
>> but and I guess just over the years
[39:33] things just started to grow. It looks
like those trees were actually planted.
[39:37] » Um what was that 200
five? It looks like they were planted.
[39:43] » Yeah, th those are native th in those
two strips, but the other trees growing
[39:48] throughout the fields are the tree of
heaven and the calorie pear.
[39:52] » Um
>> it's actually the first time I saw a
[39:55] tree of heaven was there. I I didn't
realize it, you know, because it does
[39:58] look it looks just like um
>> sum.
[40:02] » Yeah, the stag.
>> Yep.
[40:04] » But there is sumac there also. Oh, yes.
The whole truck with the big head. Yeah.
[40:09] » Yeah. That's why I kept looking at it.
doesn't look like what? And so I I
[40:13] actually went right up to it and
realized what I was looking at then was
[40:16] tree of heaven. I thought, how did it
get here? Usually you see it along the
[40:19] highways, you know,
>> and I don't know if it's true that you
[40:23] shouldn't cut those down. Cutting them
down somehow spreads that that's not the
[40:26] right way to get rid of it. And I don't
know that for
[40:29] » if you cut them, I think that that they
usually say, you know, you you um apply
[40:33] your herbicide to the cut stump,
>> okay,
[40:36] » right away. If what I know of tree of
heaven is that it creates an aloto toxin
[40:41] in the soil that would kill off other
vegetation that tries to grow around it,
[40:46] you know, and it sort of takes over. But
it would have an underground root
[40:51] system, I'm guessing. And you know how
those mother trees do. If some of the
[40:55] little ones are cut, they he'll just
send she'll just send
[40:59] » stuff to others. Gotcha. [laughter]
>> But all those invasive things, they grow
[41:04] back very vigorously. Okay.
>> Uh what we did on on my nature preserve,
[41:08] some of them were really large and we
just girdled them because they weren't
[41:12] by trails where they weren't danger
trees were they died from girdling that
[41:17] they would drop limbs on somebody's
head, you know, but that was how we did.
[41:22] Um and then that way we didn't have to
get the tree people in to with
[41:25] chainsaws.
>> Now most of this stuff was very small
[41:28] though, right? I mean,
>> right. Most of the stuff I saw was small
[41:32] » or just a
>> some of it some of it was bigger. There
[41:34] was a couple of mother trees there, but
not huge. It hadn't been growing for,
[41:40] you know,
>> uh for a long time.
[41:43] So, um and then there's just like I said
in my report, there's a lot of
[41:47] bittersweet in there. Um multifllora
rose, also autumn olive, different types
[41:54] of non-native honeysuckles. As you would
expect being in a development like this
[41:58] where you know stuff can come in from
the home that there's so much non-native
[42:04] stuff that people plant in their yards
and then it just comes into the
[42:08] » the natural area. So, there's a lot of
that. And my opinion on the poison ivy
[42:13] was it looked like the um the mowing um
really had solved that issue already
[42:20] where um the poison ivy has not jumped
the path there in that tri that apex
[42:26] where those two trails come together. Um
now it is expanding I think somewhat out
[42:31] the back and I stood there's another
trail that doesn't show up on this map
[42:35] that goes around the back there. Um, and
um, the poison ivy hasn't reached that
[42:41] yet, but [clears throat] I'm guessing it
probably will eventually, but as long as
[42:45] they keep those paths mowed, you know, I
don't think it's going to escape from
[42:50] its little box of mode. But if they
don't mow it, then,
[42:56] you know, I didn't see it as a real
hazard. If it was growing up into the
[43:02] trail and had jumped the trail on the
other side, I'd say, "Oh my goodness."
[43:07] But trying to get rid of that's a huge
patch right there.
[43:10] » It's so cool. So it's trail out. It
doesn't take much for someone just to
[43:13] brush up against it. And
>> true. But that's also true at
[43:16] Sophonowski and that's true of many of
our other properties as well. We have
[43:20] huge amounts of poison ivy growing all
over the trails. Yet we're not going out
[43:25] there going we have to eliminate every
bit of it. Um you know as long as you
[43:31] control it you know by keeping the
trails making
[43:34] » that neighborhood. But I just feel like
it's more traffic than Svenski would be.
[43:38] I mean, yeah, you know, being in a
neighborhood like this, especially with
[43:40] someone mowing it weekly, it's
>> more of a traffic area than Svenowski or
[43:45] other properties,
>> you know. I I don't know. I don't know
[43:49] what the traffic is either place. Um
um I can't really judge that very well.
[43:56] You know, how often and are they young
children trying to play in the fields?
[44:01] Um, I guess my my question my my thought
would be how would we if we wanted to do
[44:07] something with that poison ivy, what
would we do? I don't think just throwing
[44:10] down a tarp
um if we cannot use herbicide on it
[44:17] um to really kill the roots and all of
that. you know, just throwing a tarp on
[44:23] part of it is we just assume send a
brush brush hog in there just to knock
[44:28] it back and then um keep knocking it
back.
[44:34] You know,
[44:40] I just just feel like if if we worried
about every patch of poison ivy at North
[44:44] Pond Conservation Area Sophanowski and
all the rest, that's already pretty well
[44:50] managed, you know, we're we're taking
our small resources and and spreading
[44:57] ourselves very thin. However, you know,
these
[45:00] » people brought to our attention too
reason. So yeah, I think it should be
[45:04] dealt with this.
>> Yeah. Well, you know, and I've been
[45:07] bringing attention to Sophenowski, too,
but we don't have time to deal with it.
[45:10] I'm just saying, you know, that think
about
[45:15] what, you know, where we want to put our
resources. It may be that these
[45:20] homeowners have done such a great job
that we want to continue to really
[45:24] support them however we can,
you know, so that they will continue to
[45:31] do what they're doing at least that
much,
[45:33] » right? And um if they're begging us for
help, then not from a land management
[45:39] standpoint so much, but from a public
relations standpoint and knowing that in
[45:44] order to manage that property, we need
volunteers. We need to have a
[45:48] neighborhood group that will help us on
each of the properties. And this group
[45:53] has been doing just a great job. They
may not know about invasive species and
[45:59] any of that, but you know, they
obviously love the property. And so, um,
[46:07] doing it from that standpoint, whatever
we could do, even if it is just putting
[46:12] a tarp over part of it, that's another
way to look at that is is it's public
[46:17] good public rel relations and keeping
them on our side.
[46:24] Well, I guess we need to reestablish
contact with
[46:28] » that kind of that person
>> and and see what what their concerns
[46:32] were and and what we'd all like to try
to accomplish there.
[46:35] » Yeah. I'll give her a call before next
meeting, see if she can make next
[46:38] meeting and kind of pick her brain some
more about,
[46:41] » you know, what what the goal is.
>> Yeah. And find out if there is an HOA.
[46:49] Um it sounds like that she is a
legitimate leader there, but um I just
[46:55] want to make sure that
um it's not one resident who's
[47:00] complaining and everybody else is fine
or one resident has this concern, but
[47:06] then there's 10 others that have a
different concern that also needs to be
[47:10] addressed. So it would be really good
to, you know, to find that out,
[47:14] » right?
>> Does she speak for everybody or
[47:17] » Yeah. And it's okay if she just speaks
for herself, but it would be good to
[47:20] know.
>> From my understanding, there isn't an
[47:23] HOA. I think we had already asked
um this is the same woman that she
[47:30] approached us about the split railing um
fence.
[47:34] Um, we had asked if her and a couple of
other residents would want to form sort
[47:40] of like a management land management
group and um, it didn't seem like they
[47:46] were interested in that type of
commitment.
[47:48] » Um, as far as like maybe like someone
else sort of like organizing like
[47:54] volunteer days and inviting residents
out, maybe that's something more on the
[47:58] level that they're able to commit. but
like actual like forming a group and
[48:03] having regular meetings and and and
putting that type of effort into it, it
[48:08] didn't seem like they were interested in
that.
[48:10] » That's kind of what we're for. So, if
they could if they could at least be a
[48:13] resource for us to report back to us,
that would be a huge help.
[48:16] » Mhm.
What if they do want us to deal with the
[48:20] poison ivy? Seeing the large nature of
that patch,
[48:26] do we have money that could be used to
either somebody goes in and bush hogs
[48:33] that somehow and then [clears throat] we
could put a tarp down or it's going to
[48:38] be an eyesore. It's going to look ugly
and some residents may not like that,
[48:41] but we don't really have the monies,
right? And we probably don't want to put
[48:46] down Roundup on something.
>> No. Well, for any type of herbicidal
[48:53] treatment on town property, it needs to
be done by professional and that's
[48:58] » and we even with the brush hogging, I
don't think we have the the extra funds,
[49:03] especially this year because we just got
cut another 10%. Last year we got
[49:08] » cut 5%. So, right now we don't really
have a lot of the funds. So, when we
[49:12] were talking about like how do we deal
with this um poison ivy patch, I think
[49:17] the reason why we chose tarps was
because it seemed like the cheapest
[49:22] thing
>> that we do at the time. Well, because
[49:25] » right
>> these are these are old pool tarps that
[49:27] basically have,
>> you know, expired and their main
[49:31] function of being a pool tarp and we
could just basically try to smother the
[49:35] the poison ivy with them and and just
kind of see if it works or not. I mean,
[49:40] if it doesn't, then we haven't spent any
money on it. Um, would probably be an
[49:45] eyesore, but that's also one of the
reasons why we sent out a letter earlier
[49:49] this year to all the residents saying,
"Hey, you know, this is what we plan on
[49:54] doing this year,
expect to see a tarp being put down um
[49:59] on the open space property."
>> So,
[50:03] » and they were okay with that. They
didn't they didn't come back to you and
[50:06] say no. No, [laughter]
>> I got I've got no complaints from any of
[50:11] the any of the um residents over in that
area. The only thing I had gotten was um
[50:18] a message from somebody saying, "Why
haven't we done it yet?"
[50:22] » Okay. [clears throat]
>> That I mean, no one else came back. I'm
[50:24] sure like, you know, poison ivy is not
fun. So, they're probably happy that
[50:30] it's it, you know, being addressed in
any way that we can address it right
[50:34] now. Um, if we look back at the map, um,
2015, no, 2015 was a horrible map year
[50:42] or aerial imagery. Um, we can see in
2019 and it's I don't know what time of
[50:48] the year this was taken, but you can
kind of see maybe this is where where it
[50:52] is.
>> And in 2021, it's you can see it's
[50:56] slowly getting bigger. 20.
>> Yeah, it's definitely expanding. I I
[50:59] agree with that because I I went I went
out there and looked at it and took
[51:03] pictures
>> and that's more like how it looks now.
[51:07] » Um and it and I compared it to just
Google map, you know, when you Google
[51:12] for directions, it looks smaller there,
but it it is really big. So, um, couple
[51:18] little pool tarps really isn't going to
do very much unless we just tarp off the
[51:24] parts that are where that apex or where
the two things come in. Just try to
[51:29] » maybe just select some areas mother for
right now. Um,
[51:33] » yeah.
>> Yeah.
[51:37] » And at least they would think we're
doing something, right?
[51:41] » Yeah.
I I really don't think that's going to
[51:45] help very much, but I would think um
Sabrina, we could do that even now or or
[51:52] in the fall too, right? And just keep
keep it over the winter. Just keep it on
[51:56] there.
>> Oh, yeah. I would say keep it on there
[51:58] for, you know, I figured at least we use
AI for this like two years or something.
[52:04] I think just leave that for as long as
we could smother it and
[52:08] » maybe maybe then like move on to the
next
[52:12] » spot. Move a little more north and just
keep smothering it and smothering it
[52:16] » with the little pool tarps that we have.
Like maybe maybe some of these residents
[52:20] I actually I don't know if any of them
have pools, but maybe they have old pool
[52:24] tarps that they want to donate and we
can just
[52:27] » tarp as much as we can,
>> you know?
[52:30] Well, I'm very allergic to it, so I I'm
not going to get involved with jumping
[52:35] in the middle of that patch. It's a big
patch and it's pretty tall.
[52:39] » Um, so it should be people who aren't
highly allergic that would get in there
[52:44] and do that.
>> Um, or suit up in some kind of hazmat
[52:49] suit or something,
>> right?
[52:51] » Because it's it's it's healthy.
[laughter]
[52:57] It's a native plant, but it is invasive.
>> It I know I'm surprised that the I don't
[53:03] know if we have deer on this side of the
town, but you would think that deer
[53:07] would be all over this. It's an open
field. Um I think we have deer more on
[53:12] the west side of town. I haven't seen
over here.
[53:16] » I've never seen deer eating poison ivy.
They probably do, but I personally have
[53:21] never seen it. I've seen the deer at my
my nature preserve and we had a lot of
[53:25] deer. Um they they would eat the um um
what what is that holly? That is
[53:32] vomitarium. We had different types of
holl that they weren't supposed to eat
[53:37] » native ones and that actually make you
vomit. And they would eat those. They
[53:41] were even eating the the myrtle the not
the crepe myrtle but the um the wax
[53:46] myrtle you know which they weren't
supposed to eat. They were eating that,
[53:49] but they never ate my poison ivy.
>> Yeah. Well, maybe the other stuff tasted
[53:53] better than the poison ivy. Maybe.
>> You know what we really need is goats.
[53:58] We really need goats.
>> Maybe.
[54:00] » No, I'm serious. If we That would be the
way to do it. You know, if we
[54:03] » corral them like in just one area.
>> Yeah. Have your little electric fence
[54:08] out there
>> and um
[54:10] » have to
>> and and just put put them out there.
[54:14] [laughter]
>> That might be eat this. And if we know
[54:20] anybody that has goats that's willing
to, you know, put them on the property,
[54:25] cor make sure that they're coralled in
so they don't get
[54:28] » Yeah,
>> that's the problem. Keeping wind, they
[54:30] can get out of anything. They're a pain
in the ass to keep coralled.
[54:33] » Yeah. I've never I've never worked with
>> they jump. We had a horse stall and we
[54:38] had fence all the way up to the top of
it with like this much exposed. They got
[54:42] over it. Oh, yeah.
>> So, they jumped all the
[54:44] » But it wasn't electric fence, right? No.
>> Okay. I'm thinking electric fence.
[54:48] That's what I've seen.
>> Electric fence might work. Also, keeping
[54:51] the predators out because Oh, yeah. You
got coyotes or something on that side of
[54:55] town also.
>> Oh, yeah. Well, there's bears. There's a
[54:59] lot of bears, too.
>> Coyotes.
[55:03] » Some people say mountain lions, but I'm
not so sure about that. [laughter]
[55:06] » Yeah,
I'm not going to get into that. I guess
[55:09] it's controversial.
>> Yes, it is.
[55:14] » Yes, it is.
>> All right. Should we move on to the
[55:16] other property?
>> Do we need to to vote on anything? So, I
[55:19] think what we're saying is we are going
to um go ahead with the tarps. Is that
[55:24] it? You know, with the original plan,
>> which this spring, you two brave souls,
[55:30] we're going to go out there with the
tarps.
[55:32] » Yeah, we had to get permission from I
think Kong and all that. So, then we
[55:36] window. So, we're we're good to go for
fall.
[55:38] » So, yeah. So, we've got a fall window.
So, you guys you guys are going to talk
[55:42] amongst yourselves and decide. Yep.
>> Okay. I like to go with you guys and try
[55:47] to help with some
>> Oh, that's right. Yeah, because you were
[55:49] in here. Yeah. Yeah. Come along for
>> help.
[55:52] » We can run the duct tape. Duct tape.
>> Yeah,
[55:55] » I'll go. But I'll I'll go and cut the
the tree of heaven.
[55:59] » Pictures. You can take pictures if you
want. [laughter]
[56:02] » I'm allergic to poison ivy. Not deathly.
Um for some reason I always get a little
[56:06] spot on my forehead no matter what. Um
but I call like rubber boots. So, I
[56:12] probably could just suit up and help.
>> Okay. Well,
[56:18] » the mayor
>> Connor, you're you're going to
[56:21] coordinate us here.
>> Yep.
[56:24] Okay. Um, next item is discussion review
Martha's report of North Pond.
[56:31] » Again, same thing. Another report from
Martha's state visit to North Pond.
[56:38] I'm just laughing about me pulling into
a parking space and this dude pulling
[56:43] right in with his big old pickup truck
right next to me
[56:47] » and his dog,
[laughter]
[56:51] Bill. And he opens the door and Belle
through the woods and he's throwing
[56:54] balls and the dog is running. [laughter]
[57:02] There are um spaces out there. Um I
think there's like five or six spaces
[57:07] maybe. One is a handicap and um they are
marked in the dirt with u some kind of
[57:14] paint which of course is going to wear
off but they do have permanent um
[57:19] post with the parking space number on
them. So if you go not on a weekend but
[57:28] you know during the week I would guess
you you probably have a good chance of
[57:32] getting a parking space. on the day and
I had no problem. Okay. There was one
[57:36] other vehicle there and it was gone when
I came back.
[57:38] » Good. Good. So, um I didn't really do
very much between the guy that was
[57:46] running around in the woods with his
crazy dog speech and then um as I got
[57:52] closer to the quote unquote beach area,
there were two boats down there. One was
[57:58] leaving just as I kind of arrived, but I
was kind of up on a bluff, you know, so
[58:03] I
And there was a beach chair down there
[58:06] by the water. Nobody was sitting in it.
It had all these empty beer cans around
[58:10] it and then a a party boat kind of
parked, you know, anchored uh just
[58:16] offshore there. So, um
>> Babs Beach, is that what they call it?
[58:23] » Babs is further down.
>> North Pond Beach. They specific area
[58:27] they park is like a known
>> It's like the only part you can dock
[58:30] your boat at or something. Right.
That's not that
[58:36] pond.
>> Yeah, that's something like that.
[58:38] » I don't know what they refer to it
either, but right
[58:41] » spot.
>> Yeah. No, they call it a certain beach
[58:44] like it was called something before
conservation took over, but um I forget
[58:48] the name of it.
>> So, what I what I saw was like an old
[58:51] asphalt road. Would you agree, Phil,
that there was like an old road?
[58:55] » Yep.
>> And and then there were just loads of
[58:58] pig paths all through there. Um,
>> yeah, there's problems with I think the
[59:04] neighborhood kid. I think he has autism
or something and he goes his quad down
[59:07] that road and he he rides his quad up
basically in that road area and tears up
[59:12] a lot of the trail head over there and
causes erosion, right?
[59:16] » I know that the town has spoken before
and it sounds like they just keep doing
[59:19] it.
>> You see the burs like where they Yeah.
[59:23] And it, you know, it looked to me like
this this damage had been done over many
[59:28] years, you know, um and the paths down
to the pond or the lake um have been
[59:36] eroded. So they're big erosion gullies
basically.
[59:40] » And um
>> um it it just, you know, when you're in
[59:44] a very damaged environment where you
know people have been doing some not so
[59:48] nice things, you just get the creeps.
That's how I felt the whole time I was
[59:52] there.
very uncomfortable. I didn't see too
[59:55] much trash. I was expecting to see a lot
more trash than I actually saw.
[1:00:01] » She's pretty good about going down there
and picking up fish. She goes there
[1:00:04] probably once few times a week.
>> Yeah, except for the last
[1:00:07] [clears throat] year.
>> The beach chair with the empty beer and
[1:00:09] I figured it might be from the party
boat that they, you know, just to for
[1:00:13] going back and forth or something and
maybe they were going to clean it up. I
[1:00:16] knew I wasn't. I was going to get out of
there. But um yeah, so my my impression
[1:00:22] was um the first thing I thought as as a
land manager was I would want to have a
[1:00:29] path that people could follow that would
give them some beach access.
[1:00:36] Um but that you know and then the other
all the other pig paths that were down
[1:00:40] in the gullies that we would have to
block them somehow with water bars, with
[1:00:46] logs, with straw waddle, with whatever
and try to keep people out of them. Um,
[1:00:54] that would have been my first step uh to
provide if you're opening that to the
[1:01:00] public, which we obviously are,
>> there's a kiosk that does not explain
[1:01:05] anything about the property.
>> And that's not I'm not pointing the
[1:01:08] finger at anybody or blaming anybody or
whatever, but just saying that there's
[1:01:13] no information of what this property is
and how we're trying to manage it or
[1:01:19] anything.
people map that's on the kiosk. What's
[1:01:23] What does that map say? Does that give
any information?
[1:01:26] » Not really.
>> Showing you just a couple different
[1:01:28] loops of trail,
>> but it doesn't it doesn't tell you um
[1:01:35] anything about
>> what this property is. This, you know,
[1:01:38] this is um managed by some, you know,
whatever. And the conservation
[1:01:43] restriction is held by Massachusetts
Fish and Game and per order of
[1:01:47] Massachusetts Fish and Game. this is how
we're managing the pro. There's nothing
[1:01:51] that
>> there is the one that's called says it's
[1:01:52] a conservation area and then lists any
great list of prohibited items and
[1:01:57] activities but right not
>> I I guess what
[1:02:01] » so and then the the the rules there's
another little sign that that shows the
[1:02:07] rules and again says nothing about dogs.
So, of course, people are using this
[1:02:13] like the man I saw that day.
>> Um, and you just
[1:02:19] running their dogs through or whatever,
you know, they want to do in there. Um,
[1:02:26] so the rules themselves are not
adequate.
[1:02:31] I keep saying I want to get over to the
Southwick manage wildlife management
[1:02:35] area and just see how they have how Mass
Fishing Game has you know worked with
[1:02:41] that or whoever or is it US Fish and
Wildlife whoever it is um how they're
[1:02:46] explaining things to the public that
would be very helpful to know but you
[1:02:51] know if you're just somebody coming from
the public and you don't know oh this
[1:02:56] looks like a place I could go hiking or
maybe see the the lake, you know, it's
[1:03:02] there's not enough information there to
really tell you how to do it or what's
[1:03:06] going on there. So, that's what I
thought when I first saw the property.
[1:03:11] People are just using it however they
want to. We are trying to restrict
[1:03:16] access by only having, you know, five
parking spaces, however many, and towing
[1:03:22] vehicles away that, you know, that can't
fit in five spaces.
[1:03:28] And um but nobody's down there and until
unless you had have law a law
[1:03:34] enforcement presence or somebody who's
every day monitoring that property and
[1:03:39] calling law enforcement, this is
happening. Can you come and help? Um I
[1:03:44] don't know. It just
um
[1:03:49] » so in the context of the report that
Norm brought us last time and the
[1:03:54] recommendations from the state and
whatnot and you know the conservation
[1:03:57] commission had kind of their three-phase
plan on what they would like to do with
[1:04:00] the plantings and things and the maps
state group came and kind of had
[1:04:06] different opinions.
>> Yeah. Does this change our mind on what
[1:04:09] a path forward would be for
trying to do something to start
[1:04:15] controlling some of the erosion and
getting some of these something going in
[1:04:18] there growing and whatnot.
>> It changed my mind when I saw
[1:04:22] » right
>> the severe damage. I I thought, you
[1:04:25] know, I like better now what Mass Fish
and Wildlife suggested about putting
[1:04:29] debris in the gullies, keeping people
out of those gullies so that they could
[1:04:35] start to repair. And they were so deep
to me that I couldn't imagine I saw all
[1:04:40] the concerns then about you put LOM in
there, let alone you're not I'm not even
[1:04:46] worried about the invasive species seeds
that might go in there, but you put you
[1:04:50] have to put a lot of lom in there to get
the plant going. and then you know we
[1:04:54] get a really bad storm
>> could wash everything down in they would
[1:04:59] need to be monitored on a regular basis
who is going to do that.
[1:05:03] » Um we don't have a a work group um of
city workers you know paid workers that
[1:05:10] can do that that sort of work.
So, that's where my mind went, okay,
[1:05:15] let's just what if we just stabilize
those gully areas, but we'll still have
[1:05:20] to provide a way for the public to get
down to the pond at some point. Uh maybe
[1:05:26] not where the musk turtles, cuz I think
it talked about the musk turtles and
[1:05:30] that some of the natural material that
has built up on the shoreline. Um how
[1:05:35] that's a great habitat for the musk
turtle. Um, so we wouldn't want to
[1:05:40] direct people to that area, you know,
because people will be just trampling
[1:05:45] and jumping in the water and whatever,
you know.
[1:05:48] » Um, I didn't see the signs that were
down there. Did you see what the signs
[1:05:52] said? The ones that were on that little
beach area.
[1:05:55] » I did that.
>> Okay. I I didn't want to because of that
[1:05:58] party boat there. Um, I didn't want to
go down. I It maybe says no swimming. I
[1:06:03] don't know. Um,
>> I think it says clean up after yourself.
[1:06:07] No trace. I've been on it before. Okay.
It's nothing
[1:06:10] » okay.
>> Too crazy.
[1:06:11] » Yeah. So, um but that that's the first
thought that I had was a marked trail.
[1:06:19] Um and where you ask people to stay on
on the trail, but have a way for them to
[1:06:25] enjoy the pond, to get down to the pond,
cuz that's probably why that they are
[1:06:29] there to be able to at least see it. and
maybe a little like a little beach area
[1:06:33] that they could, you know, wait in the
water if they wanted to.
[1:06:38] » Um
um directing people cuz right now it's
[1:06:43] just there's so many pig paths I was
afraid I was going to get lost and with
[1:06:48] this crazy man running around with his
dog. [laughter]
[1:06:51] I was thinking the first step that we
can we do have control over is updating
[1:06:55] that board with information and maybe
changing it up a bit
[1:06:59] » to kind of
>> be like, okay, well, should there or
[1:07:03] shouldn't there be a trash can
>> because you said it says carry in and
[1:07:08] carry out on them,
>> but then there's a trash can there.
[1:07:10] Yeah.
>> So, it kind of like contradicts what the
[1:07:13] sign is saying.
>> Um, I haven't gone down there, so
[1:07:16] » I worry about the bears, too. You know,
having an open trash can. I don't like
[1:07:19] it at at at the Sophanowski community
garden either.
[1:07:22] » I mean, they keep that one closed really
tight though, which is pretty good cuz
[1:07:27] » could easily get into that if you really
wanted to. But it it also encourages
[1:07:31] the, you know, people to drop off. I've
seen things dropped off there that don't
[1:07:35] fit in a trash, but they don't want to
take it. Yeah, they do that.
[1:07:38] » They could do that.
>> And it just encourages that that sort of
[1:07:42] behavior. So we should update the board
like come together with a like something
[1:07:47] that's more visible something you know
that's something that we can control at
[1:07:52] this point you know
>> um laminate it so that and then mark off
[1:07:58] trails so that the trails you do want
people to be on and enjoy mark them I
[1:08:04] are there any paint spots that
>> we'd have to blaze it you know and you
[1:08:09] know um that there are like um what do
You call those kind of erosion fences.
[1:08:14] » Oh,
>> you know, of course.
[1:08:16] » Yeah. Snow fences. And sometimes people
will go around them. So, I don't want to
[1:08:20] I wouldn't want to see that, but I would
want to see a marked path.
[1:08:24] » Yeah. Because on the other side where I
can access from um Babs Street or where
[1:08:33] Firefly Farms is,
>> go down by the apartments. There's a
[1:08:37] well um well open um trail. Kids use it
for bicycling and joggers use it and
[1:08:45] things like that. There is a sign there.
I I didn't read it. I should read it
[1:08:49] next time I go down it. But um there
it's not marked. There is one marked
[1:08:55] trail I think which has a tree over it.
>> Um but um there's several different ways
[1:09:01] that people go. Yeah. you know, they go
off of the trail to go this way or to
[1:09:06] down to the beach quicker.
>> And then when you go up this way, that's
[1:09:09] why I mentioned there's like the burn
area
[1:09:12] » and that it was full of ticks, you know,
but I don't think it was meant for
[1:09:16] anybody to be up there. It's meant for
management, I guess. Um I think that's
[1:09:21] what Dennis mentioned the last time.
>> Did you prescribe burns on that property
[1:09:25] up on that top at that top area? So
[clears throat] when I looked at it, it
[1:09:29] had really well clear open paths, but
the markings weren't really clear.
[1:09:35] » So that maybe make one color and say,
"Okay, this trail leads here."
[1:09:40] » Kind of like what all the state parks
do.
[1:09:42] » And then say, "Welcome here. Enjoy it."
You know, these are the,
[1:09:46] » you know, that way they don't go off
here, go off there to do anything. I
[1:09:51] don't know. That's just a suggestion.
But
[1:09:53] » Mhm. Yeah, I think um
>> I'm not great at creating things, but I
[1:09:58] could certainly help, you know, create
some wordage or something to put up
[1:10:03] there where it's more clear. I like the
map.
[1:10:06] » Um and maybe we could update the sign
that's there.
[1:10:10] » You know, whether we take the trash out
or leave it there, is it working? Who's
[1:10:13] emptying the trash? You know,
>> somebody from the town.
[1:10:17] » Probably the same folks that do
Senowski's trash can.
[1:10:21] » Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah, I think the baby does it.
[1:10:25] » Yeah. So, well, that's my thoughts, I
guess.
[1:10:29] » Mhm.
>> But that's the start.
[1:10:31] » So, so you you've seen the property the
from the parking lot area
[1:10:36] » on the other side going in from the
other side. And I don't even think
[1:10:39] that's it's marked with a sign. So,
>> you can from your side you can walk all
[1:10:44] the way over to North Pond Conservation
Area.
[1:10:49] » Yep. I believe that's part of it though,
like that whole conservation area.
[1:10:54] That's part of it because there is a
town sign. It says it's conservation.
[1:10:57] » Okay.
>> But, you know, it cuts off right at the
[1:11:00] apartments.
>> Mhm.
[1:11:02] » So, it ends there. It's It's pretty
>> The trails have markers already. They
[1:11:06] have the trails have little tin markers
and have different colors.
[1:11:10] » I did not see any of that when I was
there. Did you see any tin markers with
[1:11:15] colors?
>> I didn't. Maybe maybe they came down and
[1:11:19] they never put them up.
>> Maybe. Yeah, somebody may have pulled
[1:11:23] them off. That that can always be a
problem.
[1:11:26] » Um but I did not see anything like that.
And and that's why I was, you know,
[1:11:33] trying to memorize. There were so many
pig paths. I'm thinking I want to know
[1:11:39] how to get back if I have to get back
quick with this crazy man [laughter] or
[1:11:43] his dog. Um, and I was looking for
blazes or, you know, any way to
[1:11:49] identify. And all I could identify was
the the asphalt, the old asphalt road,
[1:11:55] you could tell, you know, where that
was. And so when I took a a little path
[1:12:00] off to kind of see a little more, I made
sure [laughter]
[1:12:04] it um it's a maze in there. It really is
a maze. Um so that may be one thing to
[1:12:12] do is to have um an organized
well-blazed
[1:12:21] uh well-maintained path with a spur that
does come down to the pond.
[1:12:27] » It would be good if it was a loop
>> because the goal is not to keep people
[1:12:31] from it but to let them enjoy it but
right
[1:12:34] » help the everything else grow around.
And if we
[1:12:39] fill in the gullies with debris,
um, there were a lot of big trees on the
[1:12:45] ground. Did you notice that there were
there was a lot of dead wood and stone?
[1:12:49] » That would be good to
>> Yeah, we we'd need equipment to help us
[1:12:53] move that. I mean, it's it's heavy, but
we could get equipment.
[1:12:56] » You can get equipment in there because
the road, you know, that old road.
[1:13:00] » So, I think we could do that. Um, and
just try the best we can. know the
[1:13:06] public's still going to go where they
want to go, [laughter] but if we make it
[1:13:09] uncomfortable for them, they might just
cut another path around the gully. I
[1:13:13] don't know what's going to happen,
[clears throat] but
[1:13:15] » yeah.
>> Um
[1:13:18] I think [snorts] many people will obey
and will stay on a trail if you explain
[1:13:24] it to them and and have a trail that's
well marked.
[1:13:27] » Yeah. The people that's been using it
since before they took it over, they're
[1:13:32] still using it. like they, you know,
like it was open properties,
[1:13:37] » but you know, people have that been
there for years still.
[1:13:41] » So, this North Pond Community Group or
whatever, what do they do?
[1:13:47] » North Pond Community
>> Facebook.
[1:13:50] » There's Is it a Facebook? I don't have
Facebook.
[1:13:53] Uh, Kangaman.
>> Kangaman Neighbors.
[1:13:56] » No, Kangaman. Oh, something. Chris
Pratt's wife runs it.
[1:14:02] » Oh,
>> what the hell is it called?
[1:14:03] » I'm not on that.
>> That's not specific to the North Pond,
[1:14:06] right?
>> Oh, it isn't.
[1:14:07] » It's just that Kaman like the Hol
general.
[1:14:10] » Okay, interesting. [clears throat]
>> I thought there was like a neighborhood
[1:14:13] group.
>> I think there I think it's actually like
[1:14:15] a board, too. I think it's it's Conan.
I can't remember the name, but yeah,
[1:14:20] they deal with just Conan stuff. Okay.
>> Yeah. Um, I know lake management has a
[1:14:26] lot to do with the lake part of it, but
they don't have
[1:14:40] backing. [clears throat]
[1:14:51] I'm
[1:15:02] in Hebrews.
[1:16:31] They do. Okay.
[1:16:42] [clears throat]
[1:16:46] » Of course. So
there's there 20
[1:17:12] and that's why I'm thinking why is it
constitute property
[1:17:17] That's a part if you will for at least
20 years.
[1:17:22] » Yeah. But the sign on the bottom I don't
think it says that
[1:17:26] » by the beach right it doesn't even say
what the top sign
[1:17:33] there is
and one of them
[1:17:38] » that's from the state isn't it?
>> Uh this is from the south.
[1:17:52] from down there,
>> right? Asations.
[1:17:55] » Yeah.
[clears throat]
[1:17:57] » And like I said, you know, people been
doing it for
[1:17:59] » right
>> years.
[1:18:02] » Not to that though, like
couple years.
[1:18:06] » Does it?
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, but
[1:18:11] So
there is a little area that get to a
[1:18:16] swimming area. So I'm thinking there is
a little section
[1:18:19] » maybe.
Yeah.
[1:18:24] They just
[clears throat]
[1:18:28] » so out of all this we do
>> something to Phil that we missed. The
[1:18:38] very last sentence says that we were
some more information
[1:18:45] there. Let me see if I can find it.
That last page
[1:18:56] completion. [clears throat]
This
[1:19:35] conservation
and give them our feedback
[1:19:42] letter that this report
it says in port
[1:19:49] they describe Elizabeth and Jen they
went with Elizabeth and Jen they gave
[1:19:53] these different from mass fish and wlet
they gave these different um
[1:19:57] [clears throat] idea and suggestions.
And then at the conclusion of the visit,
[1:20:02] Elizabeth and Jen, they would review
uh discuss
[1:20:09] management at fisheries and life and
then additional feedback are expected
[1:20:15] within the next weeks. So when I read
that it sounded like
[1:20:21] mass fish and wildlife should have
gotten to the conservation commission
[1:20:25] had more guidance other than just what
we're reading here
[1:20:30] » and so far we haven't seen that. So I
was just curious about that. I was
[1:20:36] reading the first two pages and then I I
looked at last paragraph and wondered
[1:20:44] where is feedback and guidance me when
they talked with upper management there
[1:20:50] were some more better ideas
>> right
[1:20:53] » or
something
[1:20:56] I don't know it's just kind of kind of
scary that there's a conservation
[1:21:00] restriction of property that basically
you need law enforce out there and say
[1:21:06] don't to prevent people
illegal or illegitimate things according
[1:21:11] to the conservation restriction.
>> Right.
[1:21:14] » So they have differentation
[1:21:24] and us
[1:21:28] » I would like to know they if they had
any further funds
[1:21:33] did
what we're thinking of our thoughts are
[1:21:40] doing [clears throat] updating
or you know even you know we're doing
[1:21:45] the past if we can
>> we definitely need a lot more
[1:21:50] » well they want just
a whole
[1:21:56] » so we are dealing with conservation is
just erosion because [clears throat]
[1:22:00] like a stone thing with plantings like
that and that's what kind of charactes
[1:22:10] that was [clears throat]
concept involves establishment of a
[1:22:14] fortified trail consisting of native
plantings paired with a keystone pathway
[1:22:20] talking [clears throat] about trails in
this you know phase three any to me I
[1:22:25] thought it was backwards if you you know
want to correct erosion you need to
[1:22:32] provide a pathway for people to stay on.
[laughter]
[1:22:36] You want to have any hope of filling in
those gullies where people are accessing
[1:22:41] the the pond. But anyway, they talk a
little bit about the trail stuff there.
[1:22:47] Well, most of your right was about the
ocean and how to address the erosion,
[1:22:53] but people are making the erosion. You
know, it's like it's not a nasty event.
[1:22:59] mother nature. It's people that are
causing this, you know.
[1:23:03] » Um,
[1:23:07] » so it sounds like we should be
coordinating with them or just giving
[1:23:12] them artist or
and then if they're waiting for us,
[1:23:17] they're going to just they're going to
start this plan if they think for us
[1:23:23] something to them. Yeah, I think they
got back to the state with something
[1:23:26] different and then one of [snorts] them.
[1:23:34] » So our job then is to get back to the
conservation and tell them
[1:23:39] after [snorts] after our site visit what
we would recommend and then consition
[1:23:44] commission
will get back to mass fish and wildlife.
[1:23:48] But do they have to be through us to do
it? It's a little I know we had to
[1:23:53] » I don't know. I don't know.
>> Okay.
[1:23:56] » I think we I mean the we're the
um
[1:24:01] DRDA holder so
involved to some extent. Mhm.
[1:24:07] Um, so district
agree with and I were talking about, you
[1:24:13] know, uh, somehow establishing a trail
by bling,
[1:24:18] you know, making a path.
[1:24:46] Did the two of you like that idea or or
did you would you suggest
[1:24:51] » I haven't like I said I haven't been out
this to the specific erosion spot. I
[1:24:55] don't I don't know where it is relative
to this so I can't speak on that. Mhm.
[1:24:59] » I think the issue isn't
>> signage and knowing where to go. It's
[1:25:05] how to fix the erosion problem and keep
it from happening is is what Yeah.
[1:25:09] » my understanding was. And they want they
want a fix from us. It's going to
[1:25:13] happen.
>> The signage the reason the signage and
[1:25:15] the trail marking is important is
because to fix the erosion, you've got
[1:25:19] to fix the people to some degree. Um is
I think what our point is
[1:25:24] » like educating Yeah. Yes, educating
people in soft ways without having a
[1:25:30] police officer out there every day. But
for those that
[1:25:33] » would follow legitimate,
>> keeping them away from the eroded areas,
[1:25:38] letting them know on that kiosk, you
know, how we are trying to address the
[1:25:44] erosion.
>> Even if they fix the path first, then we
[1:25:47] update the board.
[1:26:02] Let's
[1:26:09] get this out of here. [laughter] I mean
people use the area as a potty place as
[1:26:14] a you know so um getting some
cooperation that way is is just one one
[1:26:23] way of dealing or one part of a plan
that really wasn't addressed by what
[1:26:29] conservation commission was doing other
than at in phase three.
[1:26:35] Um
but we can think about it another month
[1:26:39] and
>> yeah
[1:26:42] I think we got to revisit this for sure.
>> Okay. So I'll just say in the notes no
[1:26:48] conclusion or
>> we just these are the couple of things
[1:26:51] that we discussed and no conclusion
was or no consensus no conclusion about
[1:27:00] how to
deal with that further and if you could
[1:27:04] find out you know what conservation
commission does need do they want like a
[1:27:08] letter from us or
>> yeah find out exactly where it is too we
[1:27:11] could be thought about something really
different.
[1:27:13] » Yeah. Yeah. And um
>> I'll get some text.
[1:27:16] » We could be. But at least you and I went
and explored the site so we know a
[1:27:21] little bit more about it.
>> Um I like I said, I don't want to go in
[1:27:25] there alone, but I would be very happy
to go in with others and um um would
[1:27:32] would really enjoy that and and
>> yeah, I mentioned I anytime if you want
[1:27:38] to go back, I can go with it.
>> Yeah. Okay. So maybe the two of us can
[1:27:42] » email back and forth and
>> figure out a time that we could go and
[1:27:47] um that way I could take more detailed
pictures or something. But
[1:27:51] » sure
>> um I was quite appalled by what I saw.
[1:27:58] [laughter]
Needless to say.
[1:28:01] » Okay, moving on to old business.
Sonowski property updates. Anyates on
[1:28:06] Sonowski? No, I I spent all my site
visit time and all of that on the other
[1:28:13] two properties. I haven't been back to
Sopenowski since the last report.
[1:28:18] » I'm assuming it's probably the same. Do
you know
[1:28:20] » I do have an update regarding the um um
what do you compost pile?
[1:28:27] » Okay.
>> So, there's
[1:28:29] issues with invasive species around it.
So, there are people um that um signed
[1:28:36] up for a a section of garden where they
did say that they would be happy to
[1:28:42] help.
>> Oh,
[1:28:43] » so we can reach out to those people that
signed up for the garden and maybe do a
[1:28:48] cleanup afterwards, you know, when we
when we take everything down,
[1:28:52] » maybe we can get that part.
>> Yeah. Something like that. So, I will
[1:28:56] bring that up to Bert because Bert is
the one that um manages
[1:29:01] » and you'll let us know so that those of
us that want to help if we can on that
[1:29:05] day
>> absolutely have like a
[1:29:07] » have the fall clean up.
>> Yeah. So, um
[1:29:10] » that would be good put our heads
together then
[1:29:13] » somehow do that because if there's
poison ivy in there Yeah. Yeah.
[1:29:16] » probably wouldn't be good for people to
touch that. So,
[1:29:18] » yeah.
>> But yeah, so thank you for bringing that
[1:29:21] up. But I saw that we do have volunteers
that signed up for cleaning the the area
[1:29:26] and compost as part of that area.
>> Okay. Mhm.
[1:29:32] » Okay. Anything else? Any other matters?
>> I think that's all.
[1:29:38] » Okay. I'm going to close this meeting
off.
[1:29:41] » Make a motion to journ the meeting.
>> 8:32. I second a motion to close the
[1:29:46] meeting. Conor Flurry. I
>> Bill Price. I
[1:29:48] » J P. Martha Kane. I
>> take this without the meeting.