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We've got the go-ahead that we're ready

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to go. Thank you everybody for joining

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us in council meeting tonight in Spanish

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Fork City, April 7th, 2026.

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Everybody joining us in the council

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chambers uh in person and and online, we

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appreciate you being involved in your

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community. Uh we'll start off like we

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always do in Spanish Fork with a prayer

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and motivational thought uh given by

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Councilman Carden and then Councilman

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Tuk is going to lead us in the pledge.

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Councilman Carden,

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>> I just have a prayer tonight. Thank you.

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Our Father in heaven, we are thankful to

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bow our heads before thee this night.

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We're thankful for this great city that

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we live in and to be neighbors and

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friends. We're thankful, Father, for um

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all those in the city that volunteer of

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their time and efforts to help the city.

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We're thankful for our servicemen and

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women who protect us and keep us safe um

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and help us when we're in need. We ask

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you, Father, to please bless us tonight.

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That we can make sound decisions. That

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we can have our ears open as we as we

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listen to one another and as we as we

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speak that we can have um peace in our

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hearts and as we make or as we um have

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differing thoughts that we can use um

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words to help um deliver what we what we

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mean. And we say this in the name of our

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savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> Please stand and repeat after me.

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I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you. Uh we'll get on to item C,

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the oath of office tonight. Mr. Chief

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Matt Johnson.

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» Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council.

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It's always a privilege for me to take

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the opportunity to introduce to you our

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uh newest officers here at the police

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department. We have three great

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individuals this evening that you'll be

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administering the oath of office to. And

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I'd like to first start by introducing

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Kurt Dunn.

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So Kurt comes to us from the San Juan

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County Sheriff's Office. He says it's a

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little bit different experience

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patrolling Spanish Fort than San Juan

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County. He responds to a call in 5

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minutes here instead of an hour and a

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half like he did in San Juan County.

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Backup's really close here in Spanish

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Fork instead of 30 minutes away like it

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was in San Juan. But uh he's resided in

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Monaceel.

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just recently moved up here to the area.

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Originally grew up in San Anton in San

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Antonio, Texas. Four years law

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enforcement experience. Uh he's

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currently in our field training officer

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program right now doing a phenomenal job

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and I'm just hearing lots of positive

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things about Kurt and we just want to

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welcome you here to Spanish Fork. So,

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welcome. You can just have a seat right

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there. Uh Trevor Maguire

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County Sheriff's Office where he has had

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two years experience. Uh he has a

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bachelor's degree in forensic science.

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Uh speak Spanish. Uh great addition to

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the police department, a Spanish Fork

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native here in Spanish Fork. Uh his

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uncle Phil Nelson just recently retired

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from the police department after 26

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years of service. Uh Trevor's doing a

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phenomenal job as well. Uh matter of

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fact, I was giving him accolades for the

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other night at the Sugarbeat Factory. He

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caught some trespassers there that were

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stripping wire from the building. So

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>> So he's uh he's been on graveyards and

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swing shifts, but doing a great job. And

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we just want to welcome Trevor here to

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the Spanish Fork City Police Department.

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Moises Fernandez.

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Moises uh started with us about three

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months ago as a part-time officer. He

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worked for the Mapleton City Police

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Department for about a year and a half

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and uh he grew up in Jab County,

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currently resides here in Spanish Fork

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and is just doing a great job for us. uh

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positive things are being said about him

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as well as our other two new officers.

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And as I looked through their background

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packets when we were hiring them, all

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three of them uh had several great

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comments from their previous employers,

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commendations, life-saving awards, just

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some great accolades just to show the

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caliber of people that they are. So,

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Spanish Fork's in good hands with these

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three individuals and we're excited to

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bring them on board.

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That being said, I'll turn the time over

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to you.

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>> All right, we're going to try to do

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three at a time here, Pete. Is that the

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idea, Chief?

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>> Yes, that would be Chiefs

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from mayor who can barely walk and chew

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gum at the same time. We're going to try

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to do three of these at the same time.

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If you'll come over here by the chief

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you, then you, then you, and then we'll

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go on with the rest of the office. Is

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that clear instructions?

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>> All right. Raise your right arm for

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this.

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All of you say I.

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Officer Fernandez.

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>> Magguire. Kurt. do solemnly swear

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>> Doly swear

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>> that I will to the best of my ability

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>> I will to the best of my ability

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>> and with the highest level of integrity

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>> the highest level of integrity

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>> serve the people of Spanish city

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>> and preserve protect

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>> and defend the constitution of the

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United States

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>> and defend the constitution of the

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United States

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>> and the Constitution of the state of

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Utah

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>> and the Constitution of the State of

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Utah.

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>> Congratulations

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Chief, did we want them to speak in

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front of their family that's here or uh

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or are they are they going to politely

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decline that?

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>> If they're want to say a few words, I'm

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more than happy.

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None of you ran to the microphone.

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You'll make uh you'll make good

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officers, maybe not good politicians.

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So, thank you for your service. Uh thank

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you for coming to Spanish Fork. And uh

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like we always say in Spanish Fork, we it's not lost on us that it's a

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family commitment. So, those of you that

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uh are are family members of of Moyesus

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and Trevor and Kurt, thank you. Um, this

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is u it's a family affair and uh we uh

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we will do the best as a community to

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support your loved ones and and make

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sure uh they're safe while they keep us

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safe. So, thank you for sharing with

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them with us and and thank you guys for

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being here tonight. We appreciate it.

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And if you'd like to stay for the hoursl

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long meeting, we're we're we're happy,

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but we're not offended if that's the

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part that you like to get out and enjoy

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the sunshine, too. So, thank you.

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Okay. Anything council that you want to

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add to that? How many officer? Oh, chief

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left us. So, I'm not sure the count, but

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uh feels like we're just replacing

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officers that are retiring.

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right? Manager parents.

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officers. And yeah, we're

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it's been a wonderful ride with a number

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of great officers.

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and sadly they get to the end of their

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years. They ready to do something else.

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So, we're grateful for them and and uh

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excited for the those that we bring on.

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These are really good. These three are

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really good good people. And I'm not

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going to guess ages, but I think these

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are some people that could be here for

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quite some time actually. Right. These

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are not these guys are not in their 40s.

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They look like they got their licenses

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last year. I'm just kidding. But um

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>> Um but yeah, I I concurred, Seth. That's

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a good point. We do have a department

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where people stick around for a long time and uh and thank you residents

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for that's that's partly due to our

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community that supports law enforcement

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and has always done that. So, thank you.

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Okay. Uh item D, follow up to previous

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comments, comments from last council

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meeting. Anything?

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half comment. We are uh we had a a

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comment from resident about uh the

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swimming pool, the temperatures of the

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water at the swimming pool and and

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Dale's not here to give more in depth,

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but but they are looking at um a couple

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of issues u trying to resolve and and

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also I've asked them to do some some

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research and and study and understand

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what what other pool temperatures are.

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that we've heard and and candidly I

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think we need to be um we need to be

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responsive. Uh we want people swimming

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in our pool and uh so Dale and Dale and

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his team are looking at that and um so I

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don't have all of the information yet

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but but they are working on and and

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studying that.

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thank you for that. Uh okay, that takes

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us to the public comment section of our

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agenda tonight. This is not for the

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items that are on public hearing. If

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anybody's for that, we'll get to those

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in just a little bit. But any general

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public comments from the public that

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would like to address the mayor and

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council, this is your time to do so.

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Please feel free to do it. Jack is our

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timekeeper that tries to keep us to

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three minutes so we're fair to everybody

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and you'll hear a beep when you get

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close to three minutes. But anybody that

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would like to address the mayor and

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council, please come up and do so at

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public comment section.

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This ought to be good

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>> except for except for him.

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>> State your name, rank, and serial number

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as well. I apologize, mayor and city

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council. No. Uh Tyler Mendenhal. Um I'm

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here tonight on behalf of the Utah State

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Junior Livestock Show. I represent the booster club. I've been put in

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charge of that a few years ago and

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represent that on the board of directors

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and chairman over that at the stock

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show. And quite honestly, I'll make my

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comments uh short tonight. I just wanted

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to approach the mayor and the council

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city tonight in an act of gratitude and

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thank you for the partnership and the

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good work that Spanish Fork City has

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done in partnership with the Utah State

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Junior Livestock Show. I know it gets

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talked about a lot here that um the show

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is in its 102nd year this year. It was

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started in 1924.

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Mayor Mendal and and I's grandpa Frank

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Gaul was born in 1925 and it wasn't that

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many long many years after he was old

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enough to do it that he was involved in

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the stock show. Our mother Lena was

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involved in the stock show. Mike one

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year um I was involved.

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>> It was a good year. his pig got sifted.

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Um, I I've I've been involved in the

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stock show my entire life. Now, my kids

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are involved in the stock show. Um,

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suffice it to say, the Menhal family in

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one way or another's been involved in in

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the stock show for a long, long time.

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And the entity itself been going on for

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over a hundred years now. And there's

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not many things like that around the the

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in in my opinion that are of this nature

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that have lasted as long and as strong

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as as this entity. We continue to grow

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every year with kids that uh the the

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number of animals that get shown grow

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the number of animals that sell to the

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public at sale day grow every year. Um,

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my job as the booster club president is

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to um go around to the good families and

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businesses around our town to get

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donations in order to help those kids

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during the sale time when they're when

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they're parting with their animal

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project. And so, um, and Spanish Fork

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City, I won't go into the details, but

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is a major major partner with the stock

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show with the fairgrounds and the

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investment that is going in majorly for

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next year's I I don't know of a single

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family that's not excited and amped to

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be able to be in a state-of-the-art

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facility next year. And that comes uh

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not unnoticed by by the people in in the

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groups that I associate with. Spanish

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Fork City puts their money where their

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mouth is when it comes to agg and

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there's not a lot of there's a lot of

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people that talk about it but don't do

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anything about it. Spanish Fork City

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does. They put their foot forward and

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out of just appreciation and thank you.

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Um I've had just a hopefully something

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that can hang proudly somewhere for

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Spanish Fork City to um have just as uh

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just as an act of of thank you. It just

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says, "In appreciation to Spanish Fork

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City, thank you for more than a hundred

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years of support to the Utah State

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Junior Livestock Show." In the middle,

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it's got our hundred-year buckle that

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was made a couple of years ago, and

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surrounding it has got uh some highlight

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pictures of some great kids in action.

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So, thank you, Spanish Fork City. That's

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awesome.

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You want me to get a picture or somebody

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get a

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>> You want to stand here with a picture?

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You should stand here with a picture.

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Hold this down there.

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>> That's pretty cool.

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>> That's very cool.

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>> All right. Show it off to these. Yeah.

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Before I drop it.

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» All right.

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Mayor, should we put that perhaps

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somewhere maybe in like the high shop

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aisle or something or what would you

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like to do with that?

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>> Could could I say one more thing? I

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meant to say the show this year, the

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dates are this this month, April 29th

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through May 2nd. So, anybody that from

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the public from the city that wants to

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come on down and uh see the good

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donations at work, especially on sale

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day on May 2nd, there's a lot of fun

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happening around there. There are a lot

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of kids that are uh getting their payoff

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at that time. So, April 29th through May

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2nd.

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>> Some kids used to use that as the excuse

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to not go to class because it's ending

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close to school year. They

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>> still do.

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>> Yeah. But but there are that was me. But

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there are other kids that are really

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down there working all day, too. I mean,

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they're having a good time with their

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friends, but they're down there working

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their animals and pretty fun to see.

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>> Monday on the I guess that would be the

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27th. on Monday. There's well over a

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hundred kids and and 4 and FFA advisers

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that are down there that are setting up

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the entire ring, spreading the spreading

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the shavings, setting up pens. Then they

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weigh in their animals on Tuesday and

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then the shows start on Wednesday,

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Thursday, Friday. And yeah, those kids

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are are working their tails off, keeping

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the animals clean, um keeping the pens

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clean, right? And uh competing. And then

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uh their payoff is is Saturday. So,

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Tyler, if you've got a resident that

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wants to come down, but they can't come

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down for the three days, what day and

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time would you recommend that somebody

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come down?

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>> Honestly, great question, Councilman

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Oiler. Um, from Wednesday morning

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through Friday afternoon, there is

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virtually action happening.

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>> All four species tend to not overlap

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with each other, so there is a show that

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is happening. Um there is a schedule out

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on the Utah State Junior Livestock Shows

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uh Facebook page. So there is a public

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uh schedule if somebody was interested

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in seeing a specific species show. Um

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but from 8:00 in the morning until

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virtually about 5:00 in the afternoon on

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Friday afternoon starting uh Wednesday

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morning to Friday afternoon, there's

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shows going all along.

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>> Great.

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>> So yeah, thanks. You raised funds at

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your banquet. Again, I can't remember

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the number. I think I said it last

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council meeting, but you you guys keep

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raising money every year.

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>> Close to $22,000 raised at the legacy

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dinner uh a couple of weeks ago. And

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that money goes strictly to scholarships

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for kids that are graduating in the in whatever industry it is. It goes to a

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lot of cool kids. And that now being in

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its third year has has raised well over

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$100,000 for that. Um, at the sale ring,

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there's there's well over 300 animals

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that go through the sale all day long

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and and with the help of of good people

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around the community and businesses

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around the community. Um, who also put

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their money where their mouth is with

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agg they uh they come together and these

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kids walk away with a healthy paycheck

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to be able to reinvest in their next

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animal or into their future, whatever

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they're doing. So, it's pretty pretty

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fun, pretty pretty awesome to be part

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of. So again, Spanish Fork um in my

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opinion deserves a a big round of

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applause for that. So just appreciate

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you.

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>> Thank you, Tyler. Appreciate that.

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>> Something that a lot of communities may

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be foreign to them, but it's pretty

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cool. It's part of our history and

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heritage, those businesses that do that

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every year and you go around and raise

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that money and and uh those kids get to

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sell their animal for usually much more

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than what it's worth and they put it

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into doing it again or or into their

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future. It's a really really cool local

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economic thing to see and and uh in our

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history and heritage. So, very cool.

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Yeah, you'll have to fight me for that.

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should maybe go in the mayor's

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office or down in the

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>> or down in the chapel.

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>> You you decide. Okay, maybe it can rove.

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It can be a floating thing, but very

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cool. Thank you. Thank you. Uh thank you

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to the the livestock show committee and the booster club and very good

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stuff. Okay. Uh any other public

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comments? Anybody that would like to

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address the mayor and council?

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You don't have to all bring a cool

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buckle if you but Yes, sir. Yes.

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>> Don't want to take too much of your

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time. My name is Matt Durant. I just

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I've spoken to a few of you and I

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appreciate that. I'm a candidate for

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House District 64. So, just briefly

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wanted to introduce myself and say that

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if I get elected, I look forward to

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working with you. So, thank you.

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>> Thank you, Matt.

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>> Thanks, Matt.

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>> Thanks for coming.

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>> Thank you.

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» Anyone else for public comment?

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>> Okay. Thank you. Seeing none, uh we'll

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go to council comments next. Uh, we'll

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start on I think we started on your end

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last time, Councilman Tuk. So, we'll

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start on

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>> this end. I hope you were ready. And

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then I'm ready. We'll end with

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Councilman Tuk over here.

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>> Three quick things. Uh, the Easter egg

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hunt went amazingly well. I'm going to

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take a little bit. I'm just going to say

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thank you and let Jesse do the rest. Um,

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thank you to Emily and staff. Crushed

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it. Um, thank you for the chamber for

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letting us take it on. We appreciate it.

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Um the staff did an amazing job. It was well well received. So thank you

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for that. Um got to that same day got to

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attend Miss Spanish Fork. Um

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thank you Councilman Tuk. It's uh it was pretty cool to watch. Um some

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young ladies were trying really hard to

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uh show all of their talents. Um every

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time someone would come up to do a

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talent, I'm thinking I'm just so happy

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that's not me. So happy. Um, amazing.

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Well represented. Callie, what's

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Callie's last name?

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>> Yeah. Meguiire.

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>> Magguire. She was just here.

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>> She was here. Yes.

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>> Yeah. Um, she won. Amazing. It it

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they're going to do a great job. Um,

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Veterans Council was last Tuesday as

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well. Um, we talked about Thank you,

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Seth, for the A and Dell for the great

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work up with the memorial. It's going to

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be ready in time for Memorial Day. Um,

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they have everything really well planned

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out on Memorial Day. Um hopefully you

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all can attend the ceremonies up there.

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Um the freedom walk is Jack, remember

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the day at the Freedom Walk? The 14th,

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>> I think.

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it's the 14th. Yeah,

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>> I'll stall for a minute. Um we'll get

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you data on that. One thing that we

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talked about and they're concerned about

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is as we move forward with with the fire

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station and that corner, what do we do?

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Um how do we meet their needs? they just

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want to sit down with us and talk to us

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about what they use the the building for

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um and how we can potentially

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accommodate them moving forward. So, as

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we get closer, let's if you wouldn't

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mind, let's bring them in and out

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because they're

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>> they're nervous about it. Um and then

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just a pitch for anyone that's a veteran

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out there that could help participate in

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that committee, please do.

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>> Um a little bit of newer blood into

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there would be great. when it's time to

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talk about who the new chairperson is,

535
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,760
they go, "Was it your turn last time?"

536
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,600
"Okay, it's your turn this time and then

537
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,880
you'll be at next time." Like, there's

538
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,640
four people to choose from and they they

539
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,400
need some help. So, if you're a veteran

540
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,240
and want to help the community, please

541
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,000
volunteer. They would love to see your

542
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,919
time and they do some really good things

543
00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:08,640
for the veterans in our community.

544
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,840
>> The 12th 12th and 13th 12th 13th Freedom

545
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,640
Walk. Okay, that's it for me.

546
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,880
>> Perfect. Thank you, Councilman Marshall.

547
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,480
Councilwoman Beck,

548
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,720
>> thank you. Um, I don't want to be so

549
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,919
repetitive because I know we're all

550
00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:23,360
going to talk a lot about the Easter egg

551
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,760
hunt and Miss Spanish Fork. So, maybe I

552
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,440
will just thank Maddie Smith for

553
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,520
representing Spanish for the last year.

554
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,880
Thank you for her time and I look

555
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,120
forward to working with Cali Maguire.

556
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,640
Thanks to all the volunteers with that

557
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,440
as well. and Landon and I in the middle

558
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,120
of the day Saturday after the Easter egg

559
00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,760
hunt, but before Miss Spanish Fork, we

560
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,679
were able to go over with um the Fiesta

561
00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:48,799
Day's contestants for the Miss Fiesta

562
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,080
Day's rodeo loyalty. And Landon and I

563
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,559
were able to just do interview questions

564
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:57,120
with them. And there were only three

565
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:00,159
this year, but easily any three could

566
00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:04,640
have won. They were so sharp and poised

567
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,159
and

568
00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:08,960
so educational. Landon and I sat and

569
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,559
talked with them and we learned a lot.

570
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:10,880
Right.

571
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:11,440
>> Yeah, truly.

572
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,360
>> They know their stuff. So, that was

573
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,120
really fun. It was a busy day, but that

574
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,799
was definitely a highlight.

575
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:20,320
>> Um, and I think Oh, one other thing for

576
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,159
staff. I know a couple of us met with

577
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:24,400
the residents and kind of did a little

578
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,039
ride along with some maybe we need to

579
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,880
look at our ordinances on

580
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,799
all the junk in people's yard.

581
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:35,280
Basically, there's some yards out there

582
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,600
that don't I'm I'm bypassing you to

583
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,000
Seth.

584
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,600
>> She's looking at me.

585
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,799
So heads up, we may want to look at some

586
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,200
ordinances and see what we can implement

587
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,600
be before it gets out of hand in Spanish

588
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,159
work because just in a what three or

589
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:53,600
four block radius um Kevin and I were

590
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,200
driving around and it was really

591
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,480
shocking of how many things we we might

592
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,679
need to look at. So I I appreciated that resident the

593
00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:05,760
manner in which they approached us

594
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240
calmly. Hey, come meet with us. Talk to

595
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,600
us. It was much better way than

596
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,360
reaming us on Facebook where we don't

597
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,840
listen. So, I appreciated that.

598
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,799
>> Yeah, it was good.

599
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:17,919
>> Thanks.

600
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:19,919
>> And that's coming from the yard of the

601
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:21,360
We're about to start yard of the week,

602
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,440
right? So, there's some room for people

603
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,320
is what you're saying.

604
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,159
>> He suggested put yard of the week up

605
00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:29,520
sign and then your yard

606
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,559
>> not of the week.

607
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,080
>> Potential potential

608
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,440
>> bigger sign. And why?

609
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,880
That might not go over very well.

610
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,000
>> That probably wouldn't be good.

611
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,159
>> Yeah, if we put it there.

612
00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,080
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Beck. Councilman

613
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,799
Oiler.

614
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,159
>> Thank you, Mayor. Just real quick,

615
00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:45,760
Friday, I had the chance to go down the

616
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,400
senior center, visit with our seniors.

617
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,799
Uh, another full house. They love the

618
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,440
food. They love the social atmosphere

619
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,440
that they get down there. Had the chance

620
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,200
to share with them some of the changes

621
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,320
that we're making with the Fit City Fit

622
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,520
60 Plus pass starting in August. Um, for

623
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,880
the most part, I think they

624
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,679
understood what the change was. Um,

625
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:11,600
didn't have too many concerns, too many

626
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,559
questions. But if anybody watching in

627
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:16,159
our senior community does have

628
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:18,159
questions, please reach out to me or

629
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:20,000
reach out to any of our our staff that

630
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,840
are down at the Fit City Center. They

631
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,919
love to we'd love to help answer those

632
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:24,880
and make sure that you're all

633
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,240
comfortable with the changes that are

634
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,400
taking place. That's all I've got.

635
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:28,799
Mayor,

636
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,120
>> thank you, Councilman Oiler. Councilman

637
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:31,679
Carden.

638
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:33,360
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um just a couple of

639
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,840
things. First, um a couple of I guess it

640
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,840
was a week ago, um Councilwoman Beck and

641
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,400
I were able to meet with city staff and

642
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,720
several of our legislators, uh

643
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,279
legislators, um at the Fit City Center

644
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:46,799
to talk about the last session that we

645
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,320
had, some of the things that impacted

646
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,400
cities, some of the things that we, you

647
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,159
know, the collaboration that we had

648
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:53,440
throughout the session trying to work

649
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,279
together and the questions answers. So

650
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:58,320
again, thank you to them. Um 45 days of

651
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,159
a marathon sprint, I don't know what you

652
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:01,919
want to call it. It's crazy. And for

653
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,279
those of you that are running for it,

654
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,000
good luck. Um, and then it was really

655
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,200
good just to kind of talk through some

656
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,240
of those things and some of the issues

657
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,400
that we continually see come towards us

658
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,039
as cities um, from the leg legislature

659
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,960
and how we can kind of approach those

660
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,720
maybe in a more proactive way. And thank

661
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,559
you, Seth, again for the time that you

662
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,440
put into that 45 days. And it was

663
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,159
awesome to hear that um how that

664
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:26,159
partnership is working, having Seth in

665
00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:29,840
there um but also having um them hearing

666
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,840
what we're saying and then also maybe

667
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,039
taking that and talking to their

668
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,400
colleagues about the problems that we're

669
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,600
seeing because they know that we're not

670
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,279
just going with them with, you know,

671
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:40,400
false things. Um next, um like has been

672
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,840
said, the Easter egg hunt. What an

673
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,880
awesome event. um uh an event that takes

674
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,840
months to plan, lots of hands to make

675
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,760
happen, and ends in 30 seconds. Um it is

676
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,760
awesome. We um had a committee that

677
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,760
volunteers that had helped run it for

678
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,640
years in the past um through the chamber

679
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,400
and through different different ways

680
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,400
come together to kind of help make that

681
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,480
happen. Emily did an awesome job um

682
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,080
logistically making sure everything was

683
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,240
good. I think we only had three kids

684
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,919
that I know of that got lost and they

685
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:13,440
were found or their parents were found

686
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,080
fairly quickly which was awesome. Um,

687
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,919
one area of feedback that we did receive

688
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:20,159
is that our sound system is not you

689
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:21,919
can't hear on the back fence lines. So,

690
00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:23,120
we're going to figure something out with

691
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,440
that. Um, which will be great. But I

692
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,840
really want to thank our again our staff

693
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,679
that really stepped up with that. The

694
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:32,400
YCC always stepping in to make that

695
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,320
happen. Um, there was a lot of

696
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,760
volunteers that signed up through I

697
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,039
don't know if it was through Just Serve.

698
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:38,799
I think that's where we put that out.

699
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,200
But we had a ton of volunteers that I

700
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,880
haven't really seen at events before,

701
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,640
but they wanted to just help. It was

702
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,200
awesome.

703
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,000
>> That's great.

704
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000
>> And um and then the business community

705
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,159
stepping in and sponsoring it. It was

706
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:52,640
awesome to see them come together. Um we

707
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,480
had a food truck there. It was it was

708
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,360
crazy. It was fun. Um but again, it was

709
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,320
a great day. Uh speaking of YCC, um

710
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,320
applications are open for next school

711
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,240
year. So, if you have someone who is

712
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,640
going into their freshman year um here

713
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,240
in Spanish Fork, they can apply for

714
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,399
that. And then those that are wanting to

715
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:13,600
apply for council positions, mayor, um

716
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,039
planning commissioner, there's there's a

717
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,520
lot of different commissioners, PIO, um

718
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520
those will happen in May and voted on in

719
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,840
June. But though, get those applications

720
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,080
in now. It's just on the city's website.

721
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,320
Um or you can go, you can just Google

722
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,080
Spanish Fork City Council and it's right

723
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,640
there.

724
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,080
>> Hey, Jesse, go ahead.

725
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,080
>> Some people might not know that acronym.

726
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,159
youth, city council.

727
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:34,480
>> Thanks.

728
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:35,919
>> They should know. They listen to council

729
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:36,880
all the time though, right?

730
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,559
>> I don't know. There might be a new face

731
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:40,559
today. So, just wanted to clarify.

732
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:43,279
>> And then again, echoing thank you to um

733
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,520
Landon for the help that he did with

734
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,760
Miss Spanish Fork and then going to that

735
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,080
one awesome event. And like Shane said,

736
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,520
those talents, I don't know how they get

737
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,799
up there and just put themselves out

738
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,880
there that way, but it's awesome. So,

739
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,399
thank you to all those that participate

740
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:58,080
in that. That's all I got. Mayor,

741
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,240
>> thank you, Councilman Carden. Councilman

742
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,520
Tuk. Thank you, mayor. Uh, excellent.

743
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,799
Everything's been excellent. So, I'll

744
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,000
just kind of touch on a couple things

745
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,120
and and by the way, good evening,

746
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,399
Spanish for great to see you all. Thanks

747
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:10,720
for being here. Um, so yeah, the Easter

748
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,480
egg hunt was was phenomenal. It was fun

749
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,159
to see the years working with the

750
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:15,679
Chamber of Commerce and the the great

751
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:16,880
thing they built and then to see the

752
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,200
city did and Councilman Carden to just

753
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,000
really um, you know, just even make it

754
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,679
better, which is crazy. So, something so

755
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:24,720
good and just a wonderful city

756
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,880
tradition. So, that was so wonderful on

757
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,720
Saturday. Uh and then followed like

758
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,159
Councilman Beck said with the Miss

759
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:33,600
Fiesta Days rodeo pageant. Um amazing uh

760
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,200
contestants and any of them could have

761
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,960
served our city well. They'll be a great

762
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,840
royalty and um it just really got me

763
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,200
excited for Fiesta Days. It's kind of

764
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,919
that fun kickoff earlier in the year. So

765
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:45,679
uh and then Miss Spanish Fork and

766
00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:47,120
Councilwoman Beck couple pictures. I'm

767
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,000
sorry Jack. I'm flying through these.

768
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Apologize. So, we we were able to attend

769
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,399
a a special reception before the pageant

770
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:57,039
for our forever Miss Spanish Forks, and

771
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,480
that's our Miss Spanish Forks we've had

772
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,080
over the past 100 years. Now, not all

773
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720
100 were there, of course, but many many

774
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,960
were. And we just had a great time

775
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,799
chatting with them, thanking them for

776
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,240
their service to the city over the

777
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,880
decades, and it was just so fun to see

778
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,720
all of those amazing women, where where

779
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,399
they've gone, what they've done. Uh, and

780
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:17,360
then with the pageant, it was uh it was

781
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,559
wonderful. Mayor, thank you for letting

782
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,600
me fill in for you. uh giving the um

783
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,840
scholarships to our our royalty that

784
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,000
just finished their service. That was uh

785
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,039
wonderful. And then we have our new

786
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:29,120
royalty, Cali Magcguire, is is the new

787
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,720
queen. She was in the royalty this last

788
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,679
year. So, um I will work to get uh her

789
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:35,760
and her royalty here in the next couple

790
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,360
uh council sessions. We'll get to know

791
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,960
them and have them introduce themselves

792
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,600
to the city. But um yeah, got the crown

793
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,240
box to the the previous the outgoing

794
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,840
queen and the scholarships. And it's

795
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,440
just a special event. If you're not

796
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,039
familiar with the Miss Spanish Spanish

797
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,200
Fort program, and just quick side note,

798
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,360
Cali Magcguire, our new queen, her um

799
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,960
her service initiative for this next

800
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,159
year will be supporting our heroes and I

801
00:30:58,159 --> 00:30:59,840
like that it's unique. It's there's a

802
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,279
lot to be done with that and I am

803
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:02,799
excited to see what she will do with

804
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,520
that um here in Spanish Fork and

805
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,279
supporting our heroes. And so um that's

806
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:10,880
all I have, but I know Kathleen Levit is

807
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,919
here with the Chamber of Commerce and

808
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:13,200
we'd love to hear if you have anything

809
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,399
for us.

810
00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:19,750
>> Thank you so much.

811
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,039
everyone. I am deeply

812
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,080
grateful to the city for taking the

813
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Easter egg hunt over from us. We greatly

814
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360
appreciate it and I'm so happy um that

815
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,360
it was successful. I unfortunately

816
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,039
wasn't able to make it. I took my kids

817
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,960
on spring break for the first time in

818
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,080
five years. So, but I watched everything

819
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,240
um and Emily just did a fantastic job

820
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,600
and I'm so so grateful to her um and for

821
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,279
the resources that the city has to

822
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:49,279
continue improving it and making it

823
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,519
better over the years. So, very proud of

824
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,799
you and grateful. Um coming up this

825
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,159
month at the chamber on April 14th is a

826
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:00,159
big day for us. We are celebrating

827
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:02,720
business of the month which is Sandstone

828
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,480
Psychology in Salem. Um, on the fourth

829
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Wednesday of each month, I just wanted

830
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,960
to note that Sandstone Psychology is

831
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,519
offering a free mental health workshop

832
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,279
here at the library at 6:30 p.m. Very

833
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,840
collaborative, an open concept type

834
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,399
thing. People can submit um topics that

835
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:24,640
they'd like to discuss, but that's on

836
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,200
the fourth Wednesday of every month here

837
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,720
in the Heritage Room at 6:30. Uh, also

838
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,799
on April 14th, we have our women in

839
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,039
business activity. We're having a social

840
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,760
at Hotworks in Spanish Fork, which will

841
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,600
be really fun. Uh, April 16th is the new

842
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,360
networking for this month. We'll be at

843
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,519
Mountain Mike's Pizza and it's being

844
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,080
sponsored by Spanish Fork's CC Bank. So,

845
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,840
we're really excited to hear more from

846
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,799
them and learn about their ground baking

847
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,919
groundbreaking ceremony coming up soon.

848
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:58,880
Uh, just FYI, the estimated arrival date

849
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,559
for the Spanish Work and Salem Area

850
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:04,880
Guide magazine for 2026 is April 20th.

851
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,039
Um, so be on the lookout for those in

852
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:08,960
your mailboxes. This year, we did

853
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,080
partner with 101 things to experience in

854
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,399
Spanish Fork and Salem. So the magazines

855
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,240
will be combined which I think will

856
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,279
provide greater value to our businesses

857
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,000
by having that be hopefully having a

858
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,480
longevity where people want to hold on

859
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,960
to the magazine for the 101 things to do

860
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,360
as well as you know review those ads and

861
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,039
learn about the chamber of commerce and

862
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,279
the city. Um so we're hoping that'll be

863
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:34,960
a really valuable resource guide for the

864
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,279
residents here in town. Uh May 1st is a

865
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,279
tentative ribbon cutting and grand

866
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,000
opening for Waffle Love uh here in

867
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,760
Spanish Fork. So I know a lot of people

868
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,600
are very excited to have our own Waffle

869
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,039
Love uh tentatively for May 1st. Still

870
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,679
working out the details for that. And

871
00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:56,159
then May 13th is the Chamber Rotary

872
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,799
Scholarship Golf Tournament. Another

873
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,039
really valuable tradition that we have

874
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,919
here. Um, we have more involvement than

875
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:05,919
we've ever had before and we're really

876
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:08,320
excited to continue this partnership to

877
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,399
benefit the students in the area. Uh,

878
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:12,240
please do advise all of the senior

879
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,960
students in Spanish Fork, Salem, and

880
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,800
Pacin high schools to speak to their

881
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960
counselors for the application for those

882
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,960
scholarships. Um, we're hoping to give

883
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,440
out quite a few this year. And that's

884
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,200
all I've got for you guys. Thanks.

885
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,109
>> Thanks, guys.

886
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:29,599
» That it?

887
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:30,000
>> That's it.

888
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,919
>> Perfect. Thank you, Councilman Tuk. Uh I

889
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:33,119
won't belabor what's already been said

890
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,800
about the Easter egg hunt, but uh thank

891
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,280
you to the businesses. Thank you to to

892
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,119
Susan, Brenda, and Carrie. They those

893
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,520
were great faces to see back in involved

894
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,240
uh in in pulling that off and and

895
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,800
obviously Emily and and the the

896
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440
recreation department, you city council,

897
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,119
uh doing their their job, too. I don't,

898
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,240
you know, when you think about stuff

899
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,919
like that, no, it's not a requirement of

900
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:55,440
local government to make sure you have

901
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,720
an Easter egg hunt in your community,

902
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,880
but the minute you don't you you stop

903
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,200
doing that stuff is the minute you don't

904
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,400
see each other uh out and about. And um

905
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,599
and so it's just fun to see family and friends and and kids all having a

906
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,760
good time and and that's u that's part

907
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,920
of what makes Spanish Fork special. So,

908
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,480
thank you for the businesses continuing

909
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,359
on that tradition. I don't think it's a return on your investment for donating

910
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:24,640
money or donating goods. Uh so so kids,

911
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,560
you know, get to Easter basket or a few

912
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,760
walked away with bikes and scooters. Uh

913
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,920
I don't know. I'll bet the math doesn't

914
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,720
work out, but what does you keep a

915
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,440
community uh although it's growing all

916
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,680
the time, you keep it small uh by being

917
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,920
involved. So So from me to you, from the

918
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,800
council to you, uh thank you. Uh, thank

919
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,200
you for your your donations and thank

920
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,400
you for for being in in our city. Um,

921
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,720
Jack, let me know let us know before

922
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,320
this meeting. I thought it worth

923
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,560
mentioning that it is a public knowledge

924
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,599
now that there was an accident earlier

925
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:03,119
this week in Springville uh that um that

926
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,480
it was a pretty bad accident that

927
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,800
claimed the life tragically of one of

928
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,599
our community members uh Karuda that uh

929
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,920
is head of the Krishna organization at

930
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,320
the Krishna temple um uh tragically

931
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,720
passed away in that accident. And so our

932
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,119
thoughts as a community, our prayers as

933
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,680
a community to him, his family, and his

934
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,160
congregation. He's been here many times

935
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,000
over the years giving the spiritual

936
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,160
thought and uh always been um one to

937
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,200
invite us to to celebrate in their um

938
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,920
spring celebration down there. And I'm

939
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,240
sure they'll they'll be feeling a loss

940
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:46,560
with without him there. So, our thoughts

941
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,280
and and prayers uh and condolences are

942
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,560
out to to him, his family, and and um

943
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,560
the Krishna congregation down there.

944
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,119
Okay. Uh any other things that come to

945
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,440
mind, council, for council comments uh

946
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,200
before we go on to the next items?

947
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,680
Okay. Uh taking it to staff reports. Um

948
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,320
manager parents has a few things to

949
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,480
update us about. Hey, uh you guys have

950
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,280
covered it all. It's spring break. It's

951
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,000
quiet around town. Uh it's a wonderful

952
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,119
week. So,

953
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,119
>> nothing. You don't do anything. The

954
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,200
Easter egg hunt was a lot of fun and and

955
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,920
my hats off to uh Susan and and uh to

956
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,200
chat with her there at the Easter egg

957
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,520
hunt was pretty cool to she was really

958
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,880
energized and um I was so impressed with the love that she has of community

959
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,200
and and everything that she had to share

960
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,760
both you know historical as well as

961
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,280
today that was really fun but not

962
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,560
nothing else.

963
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,800
>> Yeah. You think about those those three

964
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,880
women pretty much retired from their

965
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,720
day-to-day operations of doing business,

966
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,240
but they're not retired from serving

967
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,839
their community and they came out of the

968
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,960
woodwork to uh to kill it for for

969
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,920
everybody. So, thank you. Okay. Uh no

970
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,079
other staff reports. Uh takes us to

971
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:06,079
consent items. There's A and B on the

972
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,680
consent items tonight. The minutes of

973
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,119
our last meeting and the release of

974
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:10,640
sewer easement in Whispering Pine

975
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,480
subdivision. If there's any questions

976
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,480
from the council on consent items,

977
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,720
please let us know. If not, I'd

978
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,560
entertain a motion approving the consent

979
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,359
items.

980
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:21,599
>> I move to approve the consent items. Amy

981
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,079
>> motion made by Councilman Carden.

982
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:24,560
>> Second.

983
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,720
>> A second by Councilwoman Beck. All in

984
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:27,760
favor say yes.

985
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,320
>> Yes.

986
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,480
>> The consent items are approved. It takes

987
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,079
us to the public hearing section of our

988
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,640
agenda tonight. We have three items on

989
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,359
the public hearing uh agenda A, B, and

990
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:39,040
C. The first one is the ordinance to

991
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,920
adopt the updated land use element of

992
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,160
the general plan. Mr. David G. Anderson.

993
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,950
We've never seen this. Dave,

994
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,280
» Mr. Mayor, thank you.

995
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,359
I'm gonna turn things over to Mr. David

996
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:58,720
Man. Okay. He does not have a middle

997
00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:59,839
initial. Do you not have a middle

998
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:00,480
initial?

999
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,320
>> I do. It's M in case you're in case

1000
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:02,960
you're wondering.

1001
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,119
>> Thank you, David M. But he'll still say

1002
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,119
David G.

1003
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,920
>> How the default.

1004
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,400
So tonight we have the public hearing

1005
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,599
for the land use element that uh has

1006
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,359
been a long time coming to this point.

1007
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:22,960
Um once again we wanted to uh remind

1008
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:31,680
everyone that there was a motto or a slogan that uh kind of led

1009
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,560
this effort to uh amend the land use

1010
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,520
element for the city. uh being today's

1011
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,000
progress and tomorrow's pride. So

1012
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,920
looking at uh making practical

1013
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,240
forwardlooking choices. This will

1014
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,240
support uh sustainable growth and

1015
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,160
opportunity

1016
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,960
while also ensuring that uh growth

1017
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,960
enhances the city's character, preserves

1018
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,599
natural beauty and strengthens the sense

1019
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,440
of place that defines Spanish Fort.

1020
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,680
This is a state requirement that's in

1021
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,280
code that municipalities are required to

1022
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,079
have a long range comprehensive general

1023
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,400
plan. The land use element being uh a

1024
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,720
key component of that.

1025
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,599
Um

1026
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:18,880
and also includes uh some elements to

1027
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,160
that uh part of the plan that can be

1028
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,680
included and discussed uh to help plan

1029
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,400
for the future of the city.

1030
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,800
So we wanted to cover exactly what the

1031
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,760
land use element is. So we often refer

1032
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,320
to it as a living document can be

1033
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,480
refined and updated as conditions

1034
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,240
change, needs are identified,

1035
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,800
infrastructure is built, and the greater

1036
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,880
region evolves. And that's something

1037
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,680
that we've seen since the last uh major

1038
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,640
update to the general plan in 2011

1039
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,680
uh was a was uh adopted.

1040
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,839
There's been a number of changes uh over

1041
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,720
the years where uh elements of of that

1042
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,960
plan have been updated and it's gotten

1043
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,920
to us to this point where we uh wanted

1044
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,680
to do uh a major look at at where the

1045
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,720
city has grown and become uh at this

1046
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,119
time.

1047
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,319
So it's also a long range vision uh for

1048
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:19,200
how Spanish Fort can develop over the

1049
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,839
next couple decades. uh it guides

1050
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:23,680
policy.

1051
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,839
It has a a map component to it that

1052
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,640
shows the land use elements uh sorry the

1053
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,800
land use designations throughout the

1054
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,160
city uh demonstrating how the city could

1055
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,920
grow and change over the years. Um it's

1056
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,079
also a tool for preserving what the

1057
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,480
community already values and what has

1058
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,040
valued over a number of years. And it,

1059
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,680
like I said, is a key component to the

1060
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,720
general plan.

1061
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,480
There's also things that it's not. It's

1062
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,520
not zoning. It doesn't uh give any

1063
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,319
entitlements for development. Uh it

1064
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:02,800
doesn't approve any types of development

1065
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,599
uh on properties. And it's also not a

1066
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,319
buildout schedule. We're not uh it's not

1067
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:09,839
something that the city is leading

1068
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:13,760
development and encouraging growth um

1069
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,520
beyond what uh the city can uh maintain

1070
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,800
and infrastructure can serve.

1071
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,040
There's been a number of community

1072
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,680
engagement efforts uh over the past

1073
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,400
couple years from focus groups, a number

1074
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,160
of surveys.

1075
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,040
Um and then most recently last Monday we

1076
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,160
held an open house and gave uh residents

1077
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,560
and anyone else that wanted to come an

1078
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,119
opportunity to ask questions, gain more

1079
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,960
insights, uh express their thoughts uh

1080
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,079
once again so that we could continue to

1081
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,680
uh collaborate with the public.

1082
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,000
We also want to include a timeline to

1083
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,480
kind of show where we've come. So, like

1084
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,160
I said, we've started with a lot of

1085
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,240
these public engagement efforts to help

1086
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,839
build a baseline of uh what what Spanish

1087
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:09,839
Fork is and to be able to build a

1088
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:12,240
foundation where we could create a plan

1089
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,760
that will hopefully serve and uh grow

1090
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,520
and change over time.

1091
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,280
Um

1092
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,040
this past year uh in 2025 is where a lot

1093
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,839
of the work uh was done by the planning

1094
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:30,960
commission and staff

1095
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,440
uh discussing um uh parts of that plan

1096
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,560
and how they could be uh addressed. uh

1097
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,920
as well as um identifying things that we

1098
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,119
want to include in the plan um based on

1099
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:47,280
kind of those state recommendations for

1100
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,520
things that could be included.

1101
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,280
Uh we had a survey uh also at the end of

1102
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,640
last year where we presented the first

1103
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,599
real draft of the plan and were able to

1104
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,800
get a lot of good feedback from over 50

1105
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,920
uh individuals.

1106
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,160
Um and then this year we started the

1107
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,920
public hearing process with the planning

1108
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,640
commission holding one in February and

1109
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,440
then they uh gave their recommendation

1110
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,400
to adopt uh and passed it on to the city

1111
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,200
council which is where we are tonight.

1112
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,800
And so at that point um like to move on

1113
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,640
to our fearless leader.

1114
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,760
>> Hey David. David. Wait back up.

1115
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,920
>> David M.

1116
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,079
before young David G.

1117
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:37,839
>> You gotta do M and G. That's why

1118
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:38,640
>> young David.

1119
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,599
>> Big David.

1120
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:42,720
>> Senior David. David. Um the

1121
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,000
recommendation from the planning

1122
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,920
commission.

1123
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,319
What was it? Was it to adopt? Was it

1124
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:48,640
>> Yes.

1125
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,280
>> With comments?

1126
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,119
>> To adopt by a vote of four to one.

1127
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,720
>> Okay. Were there comments that they

1128
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,760
wanted to address? Address um

1129
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,760
>> as is as the document that we presented

1130
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,880
to the public last week. Same document

1131
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,280
that they voted to approve.

1132
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,880
Uh I don't believe there was any

1133
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,040
specific uh uh conditions or anything.

1134
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,520
There were some statements made by

1135
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,200
members of the council to uh to kind of

1136
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,880
aid and assist the council uh to take it

1137
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,000
on to this next stage.

1138
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,119
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

1139
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:24,160
>> Yeah. Yeah, maybe just to follow up on

1140
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,200
that relative to the planning

1141
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,280
commission's recommendation,

1142
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,599
the draft that is before the council

1143
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,200
tonight,

1144
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,240
we published first as and this is just

1145
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,200
the dates a way for us to keep track of

1146
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,720
the different iterations that have been

1147
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,400
produced and well

1148
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,599
>> and that's just when we started

1149
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,359
counting. Exactly.

1150
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:45,839
>> Um I think there were a few I'd call

1151
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:47,440
them almost like clerical type changes

1152
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,960
that were made to that version from what

1153
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,400
the planning commission made their

1154
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,200
recommendation on. There was, I think,

1155
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,200
the most significant discussion in the

1156
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,200
planning commission meeting about

1157
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,319
properties along 900 South on the

1158
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:03,760
southwest part of the community as you

1159
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,160
approach I-15 and whether or not

1160
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,880
properties along that corridor should be

1161
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,119
designated with the particular

1162
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:12,720
residential designation that they have

1163
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:16,560
now or something different. Um,

1164
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,480
so that's what I remember as kind of

1165
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,440
being the bulk of of what the commission

1166
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,640
discussed that night is um maybe

1167
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,040
something that uh that warranted some

1168
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,109
additional thought.

1169
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,839
But as Mr. Man mentioned, the planning

1170
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:36,720
commission recommended that

1171
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,400
the draft land use element be approved.

1172
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,920
They also had a public hearing the same

1173
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,240
night to discuss

1174
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:49,119
the growth management boundary

1175
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,200
which is something that's unique to

1176
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:57,680
Spanish Fork at least in Utah and uh in

1177
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,200
the way that we look at it is part of

1178
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,599
the general plan as well. So you can see

1179
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:03,040
on your agenda tonight that there are

1180
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,480
two separate items. They are very very

1181
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,040
closely connected. Um, I would say

1182
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,000
particularly the growth management

1183
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,520
boundary really doesn't work that well

1184
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,839
without the land use element and

1185
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:16,079
considering that boundary in concert

1186
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,440
with things that are in the land use

1187
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,440
element. Um, it's a distinct item which

1188
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,359
is why we've listed it that way on the

1189
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:26,000
agenda. But in as much as we've prepared

1190
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,480
to hold a public hearing on the land use

1191
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,920
element tonight, we've also done that

1192
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,319
for the growth management boundary. Um,

1193
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:34,319
it was rather weird in the planning

1194
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:37,760
commission meeting to discuss the land

1195
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,520
use element and the growth management

1196
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,079
boundary together for some amount of

1197
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,800
time after holding a public hearing that

1198
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,359
was devoted to the land use element

1199
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:49,119
to have the planning commission then

1200
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,200
close the public hearing, discuss it

1201
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,760
more, make a recommendation on the land

1202
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,200
use element, and then open up a public

1203
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,440
hearing again for the second item, the

1204
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,680
growth management boundary. So, you may

1205
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,480
want to consider tonight opening up a

1206
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,119
public hearing to take comment on both

1207
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,880
items. You could do that together. Um, I

1208
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,240
wish we would have suggested that the

1209
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:14,400
planning commission consider that. It

1210
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,319
would have seemed, I think, a little bit

1211
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:23,030
uh less odd had we done it that way. Um,

1212
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,040
I I think the planning commission's

1213
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,720
action was really a a big step in a

1214
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,440
project and as Mr. man described the

1215
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,640
timeline that we followed with this. I

1216
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,400
both went

1217
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,160
understanding that we're probably about

1218
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,400
a year past what we originally

1219
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,559
anticipated in terms of being finished

1220
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,240
with the project when we were first out

1221
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,640
of the gate. I think we're looking at

1222
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,680
like 18 months is the maximum amount of

1223
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,040
time that we would have wanted to put

1224
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,559
you and the planning commission through

1225
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,680
to get this project done. But also, I'm

1226
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,400
really happy to be here tonight to to

1227
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,760
genuinely feel like this is not in any

1228
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,480
way halfbaked. Like there are so many

1229
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,559
different aspects of what's before you

1230
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,079
tonight, both with the growth growth

1231
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:11,920
management boundary

1232
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,000
and the land use element that I mean

1233
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,880
it's been vetted in all kinds of

1234
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,319
different forums and contexts. Um the

1235
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:21,920
timeline

1236
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,559
identifies a number of different kind of

1237
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:28,559
benchmark events or discussions that

1238
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,640
have happened over the course of the

1239
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,359
past couple of years and it still fails

1240
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:38,079
to reflect so many different uh

1241
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,240
discussions that have happened and uh

1242
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,800
different times at which input has been

1243
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,400
taken on the the project.

1244
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,880
I and I really appreciate that there

1245
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,760
have been many many hands involved as

1246
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,000
much as anything. I think the planning

1247
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,359
commission's involvement really has

1248
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:59,040
helped shape what in my opinion uh

1249
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,079
certainly could serve as a very valuable

1250
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:05,440
vision for the community's future.

1251
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,480
Now that being said, uh, and I'll try to

1252
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,400
provide a little bit of context to one

1253
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,079
thing that is still something of a

1254
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:16,240
conflict with the document and some

1255
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,359
active proposals that we have. And the

1256
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:22,079
context I provide is that

1257
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,760
even though what we're talking about is

1258
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,319
an advisory document, you know, it it is

1259
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:28,960
not necessarily intended to have, for

1260
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,200
example, you as the decision makers

1261
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,720
always follow explicitly, but I think

1262
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,680
for us as staff, uh, I do feel like it's

1263
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,760
marching orders from you as the the

1264
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,640
legislative body. And we have two

1265
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,480
annexations.

1266
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,960
One is the 1050 West annexation. Clayton

1267
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,680
Rackom is with us here tonight. I think

1268
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,000
he plans on commenting at some point.

1269
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,079
Uh, and that annexation

1270
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,880
is located, I'll describe it instead of

1271
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,599
using the map, on the north side of 400

1272
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,559
North, right on the other side of I-15.

1273
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,559
Um, Clayton presented with some

1274
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,720
consultants here a couple of months ago

1275
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:14,079
a concept plan that I think was very, well prepared. you know, should

1276
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,079
that area develop residentially anytime

1277
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:20,720
soon. Um, the other annexation is just

1278
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,520
north of that, uh, north, it's on the

1279
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,839
west side of the airport, west of the

1280
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:27,520
rather large building that the Richie

1281
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,119
Group has just finished up. We know that

1282
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:30,880
is the Stevens Hill annexation. We've

1283
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,040
talked with the council about that a few

1284
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,400
times, including here just in the last

1285
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,559
couple of months.

1286
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,440
Um, now

1287
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,480
I think part of my uh desire to discuss

1288
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,520
this with the council goes back to some

1289
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,160
lengthy conversations that we now had

1290
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,240
over a year ago. Um,

1291
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,520
uh, and they're kind of two different

1292
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,839
issues here, but a big one for me is

1293
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:59,119
when should Spanish Fork start to have

1294
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:00,720
residential development happen on the

1295
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,119
west side of I-15?

1296
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:07,280
the meteor training that we had in 2025

1297
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,160
um ended up uh being devoted you know

1298
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,240
significant part of that to kind of just

1299
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,280
a philosophical discussion about that.

1300
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,000
After that conversation,

1301
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,760
um, we created some draft policy

1302
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,839
language that's in the document now that

1303
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:23,200
I'll summarize it and then we'll look at

1304
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,599
it briefly um, verbatim. But I until,

1305
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,440
for example,

1306
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,040
we know when there's going to be better

1307
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,040
transportation access on the west side

1308
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,079
of I-15 like you would get with a new

1309
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,240
center street interchange.

1310
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:41,119
Don't put houses over there. Um, or

1311
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:43,040
maybe it's not the interchange, but it's

1312
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,720
a commuter rail stop, something like

1313
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,319
that. Improve access on the west side of

1314
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:49,680
I-15. And that's been in

1315
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,200
drafts of what we're talking about

1316
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,960
tonight for more than the past year. Um,

1317
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,880
and as of now, we still don't have a

1318
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,920
timeline for any any significant

1319
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,359
transportation improvements that would

1320
00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:04,800
provide better access over there. And at

1321
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,200
the same time, we have an active

1322
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,000
annexation proposal that's been accepted

1323
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,200
by the city council for further study. I

1324
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,960
know Mr. Rackom's group, they continue

1325
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,800
to work on that and to progress forward

1326
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,920
with it. Um, and that is the conflict.

1327
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,480
uh maybe more explicitly

1328
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,280
uh language that for example suggests

1329
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,359
that boundary expansions talking about

1330
00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:34,079
the growth boundary um only happen and

1331
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,160
this is an excerpt directly from the

1332
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,680
document we're talking about page 47

1333
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,520
that uh on the west side of I-15 those

1334
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,800
expansions only happen after what I just

1335
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,599
mentioned is in the works

1336
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:53,200
uh major transportation improvements and

1337
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,079
that uh

1338
00:53:56,079 --> 00:54:01,910
you know furthermore

1339
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,640
the growth management boundary only be

1340
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,319
expanded when properties are taken out

1341
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:10,960
of agricultural protection which has

1342
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,440
really become a key aspect of of the

1343
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,839
proposal using the growth management

1344
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:18,400
boundary as a signal to the world that

1345
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,400
properties that are in a protection are

1346
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,800
not going to be eligible for any kind of

1347
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,440
development approval. This part is what

1348
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,800
applies more to the Stevens Hill

1349
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,359
annexation to the north.

1350
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:33,440
So again, excerpts of the draft that's

1351
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,680
before the council tonight and the

1352
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,720
growth management boundary map. Um,

1353
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,319
this being what we're talking about here

1354
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:44,640
with the annexation that the Clyde

1355
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,880
company's working on, uh, west of I-15

1356
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,559
currently outside of the growth

1357
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,880
management boundary.

1358
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,480
But because we have an active annexation

1359
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,720
application there for purposes of what's

1360
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,800
there for you to consider tonight as the

1361
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,880
city council, we've included that

1362
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,480
in the proposed growth management

1363
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,240
boundary.

1364
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:15,200
Um, and I just want to stop right there.

1365
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,640
Are you guys following what I'm saying

1366
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,240
in terms of just that the kind of

1367
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,119
funmental nature of that conflict then

1368
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,200
with the Stevens Hill annexation to the

1369
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,800
north which is it's maybe better seen

1370
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,520
here. It's this green area here

1371
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,559
that uh likewise the proposal that's

1372
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,200
before the council tonight would have

1373
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,200
that area entirely included within the

1374
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,520
growth management boundary but those

1375
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,680
properties are still all in a protection

1376
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,520
areas.

1377
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,599
So on one hand we're saying if you're in

1378
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,920
a protection you're not eligible to be

1379
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,119
included in the growth management

1380
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:52,799
boundary and therefore the city

1381
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:55,200
shouldn't annex it.

1382
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,359
Um and yet we have that that active

1383
00:55:57,359 --> 00:55:58,799
application which frankly has been in

1384
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:01,119
the works in one form or another for a

1385
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,599
few years. And we have the more recent

1386
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:05,200
one with the client annexation in there.

1387
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,040
It's more when is the transportation

1388
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,599
investment going to come along.

1389
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,359
Now, I believe there are fairly easy

1390
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:16,720
fixes for this. If you'd like us maybe

1391
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,440
just to soften the language that we have

1392
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,680
here in these policies, maybe to make it

1393
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,520
um

1394
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,280
less absolute in terms of maybe thou

1395
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,640
shalt not, but you know, maybe only in

1396
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,480
limited circumstances or something like

1397
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,599
that. We could do that. And I think

1398
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,640
that's that's an easy way for me then as

1399
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,720
staff to consider to continue to help

1400
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,760
the applicant move through the process

1401
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,839
to have a conversation with the planning

1402
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:50,880
commission about the annexation. Maybe

1403
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,119
to have it considered on its own merit

1404
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:56,720
and to not feel like as we do that we're

1405
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:58,559
doing something that directly conflicts

1406
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,000
with something that the city council

1407
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,400
hopefully will have adopted in the very

1408
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,079
near future.

1409
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,160
I think the same thing could be done

1410
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,920
with the Stevens Hill annexation. Maybe

1411
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,680
by way of softening some language. Um or

1412
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,200
you as the council maybe as you um do

1413
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,960
adopt this document could simply give us

1414
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,079
as staff some direction to to put this

1415
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:28,480
into play with future annexations.

1416
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,799
And for me, I would really appreciate

1417
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:33,520
that if that were were your desire, just

1418
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,359
to to take what's in process,

1419
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,319
kind of playing with the the current

1420
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:43,359
advisory type language that we have. Um,

1421
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:46,000
but I know that on both of those two

1422
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,520
annexations,

1423
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,119
the people that are involved as the

1424
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:50,559
applicants have really put a lot of

1425
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:54,240
effort into them. And uh um I think this

1426
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,520
is an appropriate time maybe to have a

1427
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,799
little bit of discussion about exactly

1428
00:57:56,799 --> 00:57:59,680
how you'd like us to proceed with those

1429
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,799
and how uh that would impact what's

1430
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:06,079
before the the council tonight.

1431
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,920
There have been a lot of things like I

1432
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,040
said that have been uh almost discussed

1433
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,280
I think at nauseium at this point in

1434
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,079
terms of the draft that's before you.

1435
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,040
Um, that really is the last thing that I

1436
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,920
think from my perspective we're down to

1437
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,799
where at least there's there's a

1438
00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:27,280
conflict in different actions that have

1439
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,559
taken place and where we might be

1440
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,240
headed. That's not to say that

1441
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,599
everything's been ironed out perfectly

1442
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:33,359
or that there's complete consensus on

1443
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:34,559
everything. I don't think that is the

1444
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:36,799
case at all. But, um, I really

1445
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:38,640
appreciate, you know, like I said, the

1446
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,160
work that's gone into getting this to

1447
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,960
this point. Happy to present it tonight

1448
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,799
to Mr. for mayor and council um teed up

1449
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:47,920
for the public hearing. Everything's

1450
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,559
been noticed properly and uh upon

1451
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,240
holding

1452
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,920
uh a public hearing tonight on those two

1453
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,480
items. Uh it's my understanding that the

1454
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,440
council can act tonight in some future

1455
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,760
meeting. Um and in all cander, it's it's

1456
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,920
a hefty hefty lift. And just from my

1457
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,280
perspective, if the council wanted to

1458
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,119
take some time to think things over,

1459
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:12,400
have some additional discussion, I think

1460
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,319
that would be entirely appropriate, that

1461
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:15,200
essentially is what the planning

1462
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,040
commission did. They held a public

1463
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,400
hearing one night and and uh reconvened

1464
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,799
before they made a decision.

1465
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:26,799
Um, so there it is. Do you have any

1466
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:31,750
questions for me before we

1467
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:32,720
» questions for Dave?

1468
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,440
>> Oh, yes. Public hearing. Um, I do before

1469
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,040
the public hearing just just to clarify

1470
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,920
some things. So, I sent an email to to

1471
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,799
Seth and Vaughn today about a section of

1472
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:45,920
code that I am I'm not sure how to

1473
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,640
interpret it. Um, just Jack, can you

1474
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,870
pull it out for me?

1475
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,720
» So, there's a section of Utah code that

1476
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,599
says this is how you do general plans.

1477
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,000
And in that piece, there's this piece.

1478
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,680
Um, so when you're drafting a land use

1479
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,599
element,

1480
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:05,920
um, number two, avoid proposing use of

1481
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,000
land within an egg protection area that

1482
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,720
is inconsistent with or detrimental to farming.

1483
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,839
So, prior to me reading this, I always

1484
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:18,319
thought of we don't want to put things

1485
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:22,319
around an APA that would cause

1486
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,880
detrimental harm to the APA. But this

1487
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,440
says within it.

1488
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,680
I look at our map today and it shows

1489
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,400
development, future development in an

1490
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,319
APA.

1491
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:38,480
Are we consistent with Utah code

1492
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,280
and our plan?

1493
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,960
I don't know how to reconcile this.

1494
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,950
That's why I'm I'm asking.

1495
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,640
» I'd love to jump in. You guys mind? Uh

1496
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,079
>> they don't have a good answer either.

1497
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,240
>> No. Oh, we have a good

1498
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,319
>> They will correct me when I get off path

1499
01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:56,960
here,

1500
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,720
>> but uh this is a section of code that's

1501
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,520
been in place for quite a while and I

1502
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,760
actually quite familiar with it. It's

1503
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,520
been discussed in a number

1504
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,720
>> there instructions on how to do a

1505
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,000
general plan. I would hope that you

1506
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,760
there backwards and forwards. Yeah.

1507
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,359
>> And they really haven't changed, right,

1508
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:17,280
>> for quite a while.

1509
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,880
um

1510
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,119
this is I think great guidance and yet

1511
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,559
the language is far from explicit. So a

1512
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:30,000
phrase like avoid for example uh the

1513
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,920
preceding statement where it talks about

1514
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,400
identifying um maybe let's just start

1515
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,640
with that. Uh, and

1516
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,359
I I don't think anybody is necessarily

1517
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:43,440
more familiar with a protection areas

1518
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,799
than you as the council member, but we

1519
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:49,200
we've had we've had a lot of discussions

1520
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:49,599
about

1521
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:51,359
>> I didn't when we were talking about AVAs

1522
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:53,440
before, I did not realize this piece of

1523
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,359
code existed and I think for me it

1524
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:58,160
changes the when to approve an APA

1525
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,960
potentially, but keep going.

1526
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,599
Um I think we've done a very good job of

1527
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:07,440
identifying them and the manner in which

1528
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,359
the growth management boundary is

1529
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:13,359
presented tonight both in its form in

1530
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:15,599
terms of just the geography that it does

1531
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,319
and doesn't cover you know the idea that

1532
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:21,520
we've given uh the existence of

1533
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,960
agriculture protection areas in and

1534
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,799
around for that matter as well Spanish

1535
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:29,599
Fork enough thought to have deliberately

1536
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,880
modified a document because of them. In

1537
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,040
my mind, I think we've done a very good

1538
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,680
job of identifying them as, you know,

1539
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,559
kind of the first step. The next part,

1540
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:43,839
avoid proposing a land use that's either

1541
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:45,760
inconsistent with or that would somehow

1542
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,400
harm an agricultural operation.

1543
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,480
I I'm not aware of what that would be

1544
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,240
truthfully to start with. So that in my

1545
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,079
opinion is a little bit of a flaw with

1546
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,040
the language here. It doesn't say what

1547
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,960
that would look like in terms of being

1548
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,480
detrimental or or again that that

1549
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,079
inconsistency.

1550
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,400
I do believe that the different and I

1551
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,119
think um in areas that are designated

1552
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,880
um or sorry that are are currently part

1553
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,880
of agriculture protection areas today.

1554
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,079
Um the future land use map shows those

1555
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:31,200
either becoming residential development

1556
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,960
in some cases commercial or industrial

1557
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,000
and particularly speaking to

1558
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,039
residential and industrial designations.

1559
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:44,240
Um, I think all we know in Spanish Fork

1560
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,440
are situations where we have farms,

1561
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,000
whether they're fields or fields that

1562
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,119
sometimes livestock are kept on and

1563
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:59,920
homes or businesses cohabitating really well together to the point that I

1564
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:03,520
think most often when um a property

1565
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,599
owner is ready, excuse me, a property

1566
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,319
owner is ready to have their field

1567
01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:11,200
develop, typically that's when we hear

1568
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,160
neighbors say we hate to lose the field

1569
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,839
and we love having our homes back onto

1570
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:20,880
that etc etc etc. So um I I'm really

1571
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,960
comfortable just from my perspective

1572
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,119
saying that I think we've done an

1573
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:29,200
excellent job in the regard of following

1574
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,839
this part of the state code. Um, and I

1575
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:33,280
think we've taken it a lot farther than

1576
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,799
that with the way the growth management

1577
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:38,319
boundary is intended to to help um give

1578
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:39,760
people a reason maybe to continue to

1579
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,440
farm for more years to come, which as we

1580
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,480
heard from the public uh going back to

1581
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,559
the first outreach effort that we made

1582
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,559
where we had more than 3,000

1583
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,480
respondents.

1584
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,640
People really like that that part of

1585
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,480
living in Spanish Fork, that part of the

1586
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,640
community. People hate to see it

1587
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,960
>> change and and that to

1588
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,720
>> to become any less significant than it

1589
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,160
is now and yet there's the other side as

1590
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,160
well, right? Which is property owners

1591
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,440
occasionally feel like it's time to move

1592
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,799
on and and we plan for that as well. So

1593
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:13,760
that I

1594
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,400
>> that balance has been difficult, right?

1595
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,039
>> Von,

1596
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:18,799
>> Mr. Vaughn,

1597
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:21,839
>> a couple other things. Um

1598
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:24,640
I would I would add that you know a

1599
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,079
future land use designation for

1600
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:27,599
residential as you mentioned or

1601
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,079
industrial commercial is not

1602
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:31,680
inconsistent because the act

1603
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,680
protectionary may re remain in act

1604
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,280
protection so long as the property owner

1605
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,240
wants to um

1606
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,319
and because the city cannot reszone

1607
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:42,880
without their written consent. So for

1608
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,480
that last phrase of the highlighted

1609
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,640
line, it's not detrimental to the use of

1610
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,880
the land for agriculture because they

1611
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,920
can do that as long as they would like.

1612
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,760
It's just a future land use designation

1613
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,789
for when they decide to discontinue.

1614
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:01,760
» Okay.

1615
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,200
I don't have a whole lot of value to

1616
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,720
add, but let me maybe just summarize

1617
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,000
with the word avoid is something that we

1618
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,200
used in a recent conversation about a

1619
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,119
annexation

1620
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:20,319
uh proposal with a neighboring

1621
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:24,000
community. And if you recall, one of the arguments that we were having

1622
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,839
about that discussion, it included some

1623
01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:28,400
discussions about it says a growth

1624
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,359
boundary, not a growth boundary, but a

1625
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:34,079
uation policy boundary should avoid

1626
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:38,079
certain things. Um, it's it's it's not a

1627
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:40,559
thou shalt, which is which is a solid

1628
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,720
word, right? It really provides clear

1629
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,359
direction. As we as we discussed this

1630
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:47,680
today, we looked around the city at

1631
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,920
various areas where there are a

1632
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,680
protections and where there are land

1633
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:56,079
uses um over those

1634
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,920
a protections and around those and I

1635
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,480
think Dave said it well especially as

1636
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,119
you consider residential u there's a lot

1637
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,760
of residential that happens in some a

1638
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,000
protected areas and around them and so

1639
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,839
it's hard to say it's detrimental and then coupling that with what bond

1640
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:17,839
said uh specifically to the land within

1641
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:21,440
an APA, the land owner has a lot of uh

1642
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,280
specific say that was given to them

1643
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,680
always first and foremost because land

1644
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,160
owners decide if they sell their farm to

1645
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,720
be developed, right? So, I think you

1646
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,799
have the ability to plan and and I would

1647
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:37,039
say this um

1648
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:40,000
the and correct me if I'm saying this

1649
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,720
incorrectly, Von, but because the

1650
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,039
landowner participates maybe at a higher

1651
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:48,319
level in zone change processes uh in an

1652
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:50,480
APA,

1653
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,799
um in some regards,

1654
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:54,559
the designation that you put in a

1655
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:57,359
general plan over the APA becomes a

1656
01:07:57,359 --> 01:07:59,910
little bit less

1657
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,960
in in the APA area a little less potent

1658
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,680
in that APA area than in other areas

1659
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,280
because nothing will change there but

1660
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,280
for the permission of the land owner

1661
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,680
>> and so then it's something I know that

1662
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,119
you and I have talked about maybe others

1663
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:15,359
don't know won't know the conversations

1664
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:17,440
you and I have talked about but then it

1665
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:20,159
really shifts then to a focus on how do

1666
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:22,080
you then master plan around and with

1667
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,400
that maybe providing that that becomes

1668
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:29,359
more important because the general plan at least while the APA is

1669
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:31,839
there has less but the master plan for

1670
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:34,480
the utilities still is important

1671
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:37,829
>> right

1672
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:40,480
I appreciate the the feedback I'm still

1673
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:44,149
struggling to be

1674
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,960
grasp this concept in my head I don't

1675
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,960
know how anything other and I don't know

1676
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,799
if this was the intent of the verbiage

1677
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:52,319
of the law I don't know how anything

1678
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,799
other than a land use designation of

1679
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:57,520
agriculture is not inconsistent with an

1680
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:58,960
APA.

1681
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,120
>> Well, Shane, I'd be curious to know how

1682
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,880
do other entities deal with that state

1683
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,600
law like MAG when MAG does their trans

1684
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,159
50 plan and they're putting highways

1685
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:09,679
through

1686
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:13,440
farmland, some of which is in an APA.

1687
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:15,839
How does that apply with them as well?

1688
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:17,759
>> They don't do general planning, so

1689
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:20,239
that's MAG does not, but other cities

1690
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,560
certainly do. I'm I'm sure Lehi has

1691
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,480
plenty of APAs that they've had to deal

1692
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:27,440
with. I don't know. Um,

1693
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:29,679
I've always assumed that that statement

1694
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:33,359
was meant to to protect a little bit of

1695
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,199
the APA by not developing anything

1696
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:36,640
around it that was inconsistent with

1697
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,040
farming. But I read it again and I'm

1698
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,520
like,

1699
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,440
so the argument you the three of you

1700
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:46,480
just made basically there's no land use

1701
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:48,480
that's inconsistent that you could put

1702
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,120
over top of it because at some point the

1703
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,199
farmer chooses to develop whether it's

1704
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:57,679
industry, residential, or whatever it

1705
01:09:57,679 --> 01:10:02,080
could be. the the cases you all made was

1706
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,920
it's okay for us to put whatever on it

1707
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,520
because at some point the farmer is

1708
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,840
going to choose and not the city. I'm

1709
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,480
not sure that is that could be the

1710
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:11,920
intent of the law. I don't know how

1711
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,840
that's that's not how I'm reading it.

1712
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,239
And can I can I maybe walk back a little

1713
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:19,120
bit. Um I don't know what those land

1714
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,760
uses necessarily would be that that

1715
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,520
might damage, you know, somebody's

1716
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,159
ability to to farm. I haven't been able

1717
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:28,159
to think of them yet, but clearly I

1718
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:29,760
think whoever wrote this had something

1719
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,760
in mind. They envisioned something,

1720
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:32,239
right?

1721
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,360
>> So, uh, I wouldn't I'm just speaking for

1722
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,280
myself. I wouldn't say that it's

1723
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,239
impossible to envision there being some

1724
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,400
land use designation that could lead to

1725
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,719
something that you wouldn't want to have

1726
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:46,159
in an area where you're trying to

1727
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,719
protect farms. I haven't been able to

1728
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:51,120
think of what that necessarily is yet.

1729
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,199
And I I think we have experience with

1730
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:54,640
the designations that we're talking

1731
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,920
about here to where and you have some

1732
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,679
insight as well in terms of the care

1733
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:01,520
that's given when properties do develop

1734
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,520
and and how different things are are uh

1735
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,760
maintained to allow for farming to

1736
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,920
continue. So I I appreciate the thought

1737
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:10,880
and I agree it's

1738
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,239
>> I don't I don't know that we resolve it

1739
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:14,320
tonight. I'm just is one of those things

1740
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,000
as we move into the public comment

1741
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,920
period. I'm just something that sparks

1742
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,880
some dilemma in my head. I don't like

1743
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,679
dilemma in my head. I'm an engineer. I

1744
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:27,040
want some black and white stuff and this

1745
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,080
is not it.

1746
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,360
>> Can I share one other thought?

1747
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,239
>> Yeah, I mean the logical path then

1748
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,159
>> nothing can ever be put there

1749
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,320
>> and planning for that seems like that is

1750
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:37,600
>> that's my problem too.

1751
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,679
>> That's Seth and I had this conversation

1752
01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:41,760
I don't know how many times about does

1753
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,560
it make sense to I mean want we've all

1754
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,080
said it up here. We want the farmer to

1755
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,280
continue to farm for as long as they

1756
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,719
want to farm and it's their decision to

1757
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:52,239
make when they choose to to change. Um

1758
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:55,920
but that day that when they do change um

1759
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,800
that 18inch pipe in front of their in

1760
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,800
the road in front of the farm should be

1761
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,640
sized for them to be able to access

1762
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,400
excess access it um and if we don't plan

1763
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,239
accordingly it won't be. And so I that

1764
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,000
is the dilemma that I've been struggling

1765
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,679
with since we've had this conversation.

1766
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:15,280
So I get it. I'm not trying to poke. I'm

1767
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:16,719
just trying to resolve it in my head as

1768
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:20,159
we move forward. Sure.

1769
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,159
>> I have one more unless you guys want to

1770
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:22,640
stop.

1771
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,080
>> No, will Yeah, get it.

1772
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,440
>> Um, I'm glad this slide is up. Uh, we

1773
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:30,080
have been talking about the concept of a

1774
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,320
front runner stop now for a long time

1775
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,239
and I will be super transparent with

1776
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,640
everyone in here. Before I was on the

1777
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,719
city council, I was part of a study that

1778
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:41,040
recommended from a planning perspective

1779
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,480
a stop at Center Street in Spanish Fork.

1780
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,960
Fast forward several years, fast forward

1781
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,719
through the analysis that UD do and the

1782
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:53,920
UTA has done at that location. Um, and

1783
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,360
there's a lot of work to do before

1784
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,120
there's a front runner stop at Center

1785
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,520
Street in Spanish Fork.

1786
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,800
And I believe that now that I know more

1787
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,480
about how the city develops and and

1788
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,480
where land uses and things like that

1789
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,719
should be. I believe that station should

1790
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:10,800
be on the north end of our community. I

1791
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,560
believe it should be out by the new

1792
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,360
interchange where there is access and we

1793
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,880
can get something in place much much

1794
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,800
quicker than the only way there's a

1795
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,000
front runner stop is if there's an

1796
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,280
interchange. So we are $250 million

1797
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,960
behind before we can get to an

1798
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,920
interchange or to a front runner stop. I

1799
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,520
would love for us if we agree to propose

1800
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,280
putting something in writing to UTA to

1801
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,520
say we want you to look harder at moving

1802
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,520
our stop to the north end of our

1803
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,760
community where we can access it today

1804
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,000
where we can get people to and from it

1805
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,280
from an interchange today and not wait

1806
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,600
15 years before there's a stop in

1807
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,159
Spanish Fork and Center Street. So,

1808
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:53,199
>> so Shane, your belief is that we could

1809
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:56,560
save 10 to 15 years of people not having

1810
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,640
a front runner if we just

1811
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,960
>> if we could convince if UTA said yes to

1812
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:01,600
it. Yes.

1813
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,120
>> And when you say today, you mean you

1814
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,199
mean three years from now soonest? But

1815
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:06,080
>> yeah, for sure.

1816
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,280
>> At least a decade or

1817
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,199
>> at the very very least. I don't think

1818
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:12,239
we've weighed in as a council and said

1819
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,400
>> I we would prefer and this may not carry

1820
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,600
a ton of weight because they're the

1821
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,360
decision maker 100%. But should we not

1822
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,440
make it known if that is our desire that

1823
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:22,800
that's where we want the station to go

1824
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,159
because I don't think we have.

1825
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:27,120
>> So two questions for you with your

1826
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,719
engineering experience with your

1827
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:30,560
experience with UD do your history

1828
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,560
working there.

1829
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,800
>> First question when you say north end of

1830
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,280
town where are you where are you

1831
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,600
thinking logistically

1832
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,560
>> then so by the new exit but in Spanish

1833
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:43,840
city limits.

1834
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,040
>> Yeah I mean it's right there. It's a

1835
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,960
blur between Spanish Fork and Spring. I

1836
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,000
wouldn't care if it was in Springville

1837
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:54,239
necessarily, but south of 2600.

1838
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:56,000
>> Dry Creek Parkway.

1839
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,400
>> So, we know where Springville's proposed

1840
01:14:58,400 --> 01:14:59,280
to go, right?

1841
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,480
>> Mhm. Behind the DI.

1842
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,239
>> Okay. So, you're thinking just on the

1843
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:06,080
south end of of the new the new overpass

1844
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,840
that goes over the over the railroad.

1845
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:08,080
>> Yep.

1846
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:08,400
>> Okay.

1847
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:08,800
>> Yep.

1848
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,480
>> Okay. So, that's where you're looking.

1849
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,080
>> And how many proposals have we seen with

1850
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,600
a ton of density right there?

1851
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:14,239
>> Yeah. A lot.

1852
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,640
>> Right. and having that density access

1853
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,920
that station right next to the freeway

1854
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,719
could speed that project up for us.

1855
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:26,080
>> Okay. Yeah. I would be curious to know

1856
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,400
like you said it's not not our choice to

1857
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,199
make. I'd be curious to know how they

1858
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:32,880
decide

1859
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,560
you know between distance between

1860
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,719
stations right spacing and everything

1861
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:37,360
else. So

1862
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:37,840
>> yeah.

1863
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,400
>> So second question

1864
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,880
with your experience at UD do what

1865
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,080
likelihood is there that

1866
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,400
having a proposed station west of Center

1867
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,520
Street also pushes

1868
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,640
the construction of that interchange

1869
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,600
quicker than not having the the transit

1870
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,440
station west of Center Street. Do you

1871
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:01,040
feel like they're connected in any way

1872
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,400
or are they completely separate

1873
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,760
entities? What I'm fearful of is that

1874
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,560
someone connects them and the $250

1875
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,880
million center street interchange turns

1876
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:14,719
into a $500 million station extension of

1877
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:16,800
Frontr Runner and interchange and it

1878
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,880
goes even further.

1879
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,920
I think I don't think it speeds it up in

1880
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,080
any way to have the station there.

1881
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,440
>> Yeah, that was what I was looking for.

1882
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:28,400
Why don't you?

1883
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,480
>> In fact, I think what's going to h if if

1884
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:33,280
we if UTA says that's the location, I

1885
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,840
think the most likely outcome is Front

1886
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,080
Runner extends to PAC and there's a stop

1887
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,679
in Springville and PAC and we don't have

1888
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:41,760
one until this interchange is built.

1889
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,840
>> Did they ever build a station prior to

1890
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,199
having the

1891
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,440
>> access to access?

1892
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:49,920
>> Um, American Fork a little bit. American

1893
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,000
Forks one was out there where it was

1894
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,120
tough to access.

1895
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,560
>> It's caused a ton of problems too.

1896
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,600
>> It has. The flip side of that is is

1897
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,120
vineyard station where they built it

1898
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,239
after once development came in and

1899
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:05,040
access was there then they built it. So

1900
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,800
it has gone both ways. It is

1901
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,560
problematic. I mean American Forks was

1902
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,159
tough to access for the first 10 years

1903
01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:15,590
of service.

1904
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,080
» I have a question for Shane. Would we

1905
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:19,199
also have

1906
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:21,280
>> No, I opened it up so I appreciate it.

1907
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,000
>> Would we have to have or Yeah. Would we

1908
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,000
need Springville Mayor and Council to

1909
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,440
also agree to release their idea of

1910
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,040
having it by the

1911
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:32,480
>> DI and

1912
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:35,280
>> to make it to make to take away one of

1913
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,560
the arguments from UTA that that station

1914
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,480
would be too close to Springfield bills?

1915
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:40,960
Yes.

1916
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,120
>> Okay. So, we would need Springville to

1917
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,400
also agree

1918
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,679
>> or UTA just has to say, okay, it is

1919
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:50,719
close. It's doesn't meet our traditional

1920
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:52,640
distances, but we can accommodate it.

1921
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,480
>> Okay. There's no reason that they can't

1922
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:57,440
stop a train half a mile away from the

1923
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:58,960
station

1924
01:17:58,960 --> 01:17:59,440
>> and

1925
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:00,560
>> it's just less efficient.

1926
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,719
>> Is it worth a phone call by you?

1927
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:03,600
>> I've tried.

1928
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,120
>> Okay. Is there any sort of like we might

1929
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,640
consider it or what what kind of

1930
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,560
response are you getting?

1931
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,790
>> Um

1932
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,400
years been a few years that you and I

1933
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,600
talked about it with

1934
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:18,800
>> Who are we talking to? Are we talking to

1935
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:19,760
Springville doing it? Oh,

1936
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:20,159
>> UTA.

1937
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:23,280
Um, UTA is not super receptive of

1938
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,400
it.

1939
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,960
>> So, it would be a a hard hill to climb.

1940
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,320
>> It would be hard hill to climb. But

1941
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,719
again, I think that part of it is one,

1942
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:32,320
UTA's not finished with the analysis,

1943
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:33,840
right? They have they've kind of put it

1944
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,520
on pause because they have no money to

1945
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,679
extend Front Runner South. And so, they

1946
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:38,960
can't get an environmental document

1947
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,560
approved without some money to do the

1948
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:41,679
construction. So, they've put it on

1949
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:44,159
pause. And so, there's that. But, I

1950
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:46,480
don't think they've hurt us.

1951
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:48,239
Frankly, I think they've heard Mike and

1952
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:49,760
I a little bit, but I don't think

1953
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,520
they've heard the will of the the the

1954
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,440
council to say this is where we would

1955
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:56,239
prefer it. You better come prepared to

1956
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:57,520
talk about why it can't happen.

1957
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,600
>> But I don't know that we've had we

1958
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,360
>> I don't know that we agree.

1959
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,600
>> Yeah, we've not had that discussion to weigh and measure does it make sense

1960
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,840
to put it there compared to here. We've

1961
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:08,880
not had that discussion.

1962
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,239
>> I think the purpose of this conversation

1963
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:13,360
is because of what it is in the in the

1964
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:14,159
general plan, right?

1965
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:15,760
>> Yep. Correct. There is a lot of

1966
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,080
assumptions built into our general plan

1967
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,960
around the station location

1968
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:21,280
>> which

1969
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:22,400
>> and that's why I bring it up.

1970
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,040
>> I think should make a point that talking

1971
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,199
about that area talking about a couple

1972
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:30,880
of specific areas in the general plan

1973
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,120
could go back to the the very first

1974
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,719
slide shown on this that the general

1975
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:36,719
plan is a living document 100%.

1976
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:40,400
>> Right. And so to say, well, let's, you

1977
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,199
know, let's discuss debate like we like

1978
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:45,440
we do and like we are and have a public

1979
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:52,239
hearing on it, but let's not again let good or let perfect be the enemy of

1980
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:52,719
good,

1981
01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:53,440
>> right?

1982
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:55,120
>> Because as soon as we adopt a general

1983
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:58,080
plan, there are going to be I I wouldn't

1984
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,040
blame land owners or people or us

1985
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,679
ourselves to say, "Now, wait a second.

1986
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:05,760
Here's why we think there ought to be an

1987
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,840
amendment here because we've amended the

1988
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,360
general plan and we'll continue to amend

1989
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,000
the general plan. And so I would say as

1990
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,400
a as a council, just like the commission

1991
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,719
had had good discussions and debates on

1992
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:19,920
it as well and public input that we we

1993
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,679
don't just not adopt something because

1994
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:24,960
it's I agree completely, Mike. Mayor, I

1995
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,120
think that part of what I wanted to say

1996
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,199
to the public tonight is there are

1997
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:30,880
things in this plan if it was adopted

1998
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,040
right now that we would change in the

1999
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,280
future potentially and we're committed

2000
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,760
to listening to those things, having the

2001
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,000
good dialogue around them and making a

2002
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,920
change even if it's next week.

2003
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,280
>> Right. Y I think that's what I just

2004
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,800
heard you say as well. So I think that

2005
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,719
is good for all you out there to realize

2006
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:49,679
that it's not a one and done deal. And

2007
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:51,280
in the last 10 years since we've adopted

2008
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,040
a plan, it's been changed a bunch of

2009
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,239
times. So that said though, we often

2010
01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:58,400
say, we're approving this because it's

2011
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,960
in the general plan. And so we do it

2012
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,400
does carry some weight. It's it's not

2013
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:03,120
just,

2014
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:03,760
>> you know,

2015
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:04,320
>> yep,

2016
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,640
>> just the guiding document. It is we we

2017
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,040
want to honor as much as we can. But

2018
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,320
>> there are going to be holes and we're

2019
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:11,520
going to hear some from some folks

2020
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,480
tonight saying you have holes here and here. We just figure out how to

2021
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:15,679
deal with them. So

2022
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:17,600
>> I think also moving forward with that if

2023
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,199
we name the holes and staff knows

2024
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:23,600
to tell developers the council knows

2025
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,760
that A, B, and C are holes, they're willing to look at this, but

2026
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,360
maybe another area they don't want to

2027
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,120
look at this immediately. That would be

2028
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,199
helpful for you guys, right?

2029
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,280
>> We'd love to know as much about how you

2030
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,800
look at it as possible, for sure. And

2031
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,080
can I provide just a little bit more

2032
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,920
background on what Councilman Marshall's

2033
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:43,679
talking about? Not that you don't

2034
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:46,080
understand it really really well, but

2035
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,520
just for the benefit maybe of anybody

2036
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,679
that's kind of hopping in right now, if

2037
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:52,400
we went back three years ago,

2038
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,840
um, and Shane or anybody else, tell me

2039
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,040
if you see it differently than I do, we

2040
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,159
really believed that a center street

2041
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:04,320
interchange and therefore a frontr

2042
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,760
runner stop were much more certain and

2043
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,880
imminent than we have reason to believe

2044
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,080
today. So we started down the path of

2045
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,400
doing a really detailed plan for the

2046
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,719
area among other things to try to help

2047
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:20,960
facilitate the right kind of development

2048
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,280
and to encourage that big transportation

2049
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,040
investment to come. So, as we've learned

2050
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:28,800
over the course of the past few years

2051
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,520
that vision's probably not that

2052
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:36,239
realistic, we have pulled back and we've

2053
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:37,760
made our best effort with the draft

2054
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,639
that's before the council tonight to

2055
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:43,040
keep an opportunity open. you know,

2056
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,679
should that concept come to fruition for

2057
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:49,360
an area that is almost and this is a

2058
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,239
phrase that a consultant working with

2059
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:55,600
this I think first mentioned

2060
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,560
today in my view the document is just a

2061
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,360
plan to preserve that space

2062
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,199
period

2063
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:05,679
just in case you have that big

2064
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:07,199
transportation investment that comes

2065
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:09,520
over there. don't approve a bunch of

2066
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,880
quarter acre lot subdivisions that

2067
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,360
doesn't really jive very well or doesn't

2068
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,400
support jive well with

2069
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,280
um a big transportation investment or

2070
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,800
doesn't support the kind of wrership

2071
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,280
that you need to make uh frontr runner

2072
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,719
work um as if you know maybe that area

2073
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:30,000
shouldn't develop for some period of

2074
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,080
time until you know there's more

2075
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,080
certainty or until something real

2076
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,239
happens. So I I really appreciate the

2077
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:39,600
thought. I have to ask, we've talked as

2078
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,520
staff about

2079
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,920
for a variety of reasons. We have not

2080
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:48,400
had anybody from UTA come to speak with

2081
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,719
you or anybody else in Spanish Fork. Uh

2082
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:54,719
the environmental project that

2083
01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:56,159
Councilman Marshall's referring to,

2084
01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:58,000
that's been going on, I want to say, for

2085
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,320
three years in and of itself. We

2086
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,040
expected that to be done some time ago.

2087
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,960
Personally,

2088
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,280
I feel like uh it's reasonable to to

2089
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,199
expect UTA to provide more insight and

2090
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:13,760
you know, maybe to be engaged right now

2091
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,040
on the kind of discussion that you're

2092
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,320
suggesting. So, I'd be happy. We'd be

2093
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,400
happy. Might take some clout to get the

2094
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,960
right people here, but if the council

2095
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,400
wanted to have that kind of discussion

2096
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,840
with decision makers, we could. So just

2097
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,159
to put it in perspective, the shortest

2098
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:31,920
station distance right now is between

2099
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,000
Vineyard and ORM. It's about two and a

2100
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,320
half miles. If we were to look at the

2101
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:40,080
distance between the DI and the north

2102
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,679
end of town, you're at about a mile and

2103
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:43,920
a quarter. So it' be half Yep.

2104
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,440
>> the distance. So that's going to be a

2105
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,960
big lift for sure. I think with

2106
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:49,679
>> 70,

2107
01:24:49,679 --> 01:24:52,639
>> right? It stays at 45 and slows down.

2108
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,360
>> It's doable. So,

2109
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,719
>> is that worth pursuing the idea of

2110
01:24:56,719 --> 01:24:58,000
trying to get them?

2111
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,520
>> Uh, I can't remember the director's name

2112
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,440
off the top of my head now and I know

2113
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,280
>> the leadership is changing, right?

2114
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,880
>> Governance is changing in January or

2115
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,280
July. So, it might be worth having a

2116
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,639
conversation once their government

2117
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:10,480
governance changes.

2118
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:10,880
>> So,

2119
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,239
>> before then, do you see any value?

2120
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:13,199
>> No,

2121
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:14,239
>> after is what you're saying.

2122
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,000
>> After then. Sorry, my bad. Yeah, after.

2123
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:16,560
No, I don't see

2124
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,080
>> I understood after. I was just asking.

2125
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:18,960
>> I appreciate it.

2126
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,760
>> No, I don't see any value yet. But I

2127
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:26,000
mean I I'm one of five six. So

2128
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,360
>> I think that's

2129
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,760
>> yeah that's something that is I think

2130
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:34,480
super important that up until this well

2131
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:36,719
now including this moment the direction

2132
01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:38,320
I think from the environmental is it's

2133
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,320
going to be in this general area

2134
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,679
>> and that's the sheet of music that we're

2135
01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:43,600
playing from. If we want to try to move

2136
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,840
it I think

2137
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,120
>> I think we have time.

2138
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,280
>> We do. I think I don't think they're not

2139
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:50,239
the night. No, but

2140
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:52,080
>> I say it because it's on the board,

2141
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:53,600
>> right? And I also think we have time

2142
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:54,480
because I don't think they're going to

2143
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:55,440
build it for 10 years,

2144
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:56,159
>> right? Oh, yeah.

2145
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:57,760
>> Right. So, we've got time and

2146
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:02,159
understanding the lay of the land and all the rules. I mean, it'll

2147
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:05,120
probably be a really big big lift to get

2148
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:06,560
Springville to do anything other than

2149
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,600
what their plan has been. Um, but

2150
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,600
I also know that I could see Frontr

2151
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,520
Runner being built in Springville,

2152
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,120
skipping Spanish Fork and having a

2153
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,120
station somewhere else for a time just

2154
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:20,400
simply because of the lack of

2155
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,199
infrastructure on the freeway. Right. So

2156
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:25,440
again, I think we have time. Um,

2157
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,520
>> is there any concern with UTA saying,

2158
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,880
you know what, Spanish Fork, the vibe

2159
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,239
we're getting is that they just don't

2160
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:34,159
want one, so let's just do Springville

2161
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:36,080
and Pac and not even worry about Spanish

2162
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:36,800
for

2163
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,400
>> they're not going to build it unless you

2164
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,880
have access to it. Plain and simple.

2165
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,560
>> And I think that's a consideration you

2166
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,960
have to always have, but I don't think

2167
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,719
anybody's saying that.

2168
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:48,560
>> I think the vibe is we want to make sure

2169
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,800
that it gets in the right place and we

2170
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,760
want to be able to maximize it. And so,

2171
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,000
you know, UTA, are you legitimately

2172
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,440
going to build it? And, you know, does a

2173
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:00,639
curve matter? Right? Because I think

2174
01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:02,080
we've all heard you can't do it on a

2175
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:03,920
curve and stuff like that or right after

2176
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,520
a curve or whatever. Like, help us

2177
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,830
understand that because we

2178
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,000
if and if UTA had the ability to put one

2179
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,639
in this place and skip two, I that maybe

2180
01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:15,920
saves them money. Maybe that is

2181
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,320
something they want. Maybe they don't

2182
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,080
want that. But I think I think having

2183
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:24,639
the conversation doesn't hurt. Um,

2184
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:29,430
and we probably have time,

2185
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:31,600
but I think to your comment, Councilman

2186
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,560
Oiler, the last thing we want to say is

2187
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,480
or the last vibe we want to give is we

2188
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:37,040
don't want to

2189
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,040
>> skip this. Yeah.

2190
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,600
>> That's not the case, I think.

2191
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:42,960
>> All right, I'll shut up.

2192
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,560
>> No, good, good, good discussion. Good

2193
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,840
questions. Anything else, Dave? Before

2194
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,920
we go to public comment and maybe have

2195
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,840
you back up public hearing? Nope.

2196
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,440
>> Anything else council you want to ask of

2197
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:55,679
Dave before we go into public hearing?

2198
01:27:55,679 --> 01:27:56,320
>> Thank you.

2199
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:57,120
>> Okay.

2200
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,040
>> Thank you, Dave. Appreciate it, Dave's.

2201
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,560
Uh, thank you. Um, we'll um let me set

2202
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:03,520
the stage a little bit before we're

2203
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,440
going to entertain a motion to go into

2204
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:08,320
public hearing here because we've had uh

2205
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,120
some discussions and and uh and

2206
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,120
engineers like words and they like black

2207
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,560
and white words and I'm a simple guy

2208
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,320
that was more picture books rather than

2209
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,480
too many words. So, I asked Jack, I sent

2210
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:22,639
Jack a picture that I took on Sunday.

2211
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:24,800
Actually, my nine-year-old took it.

2212
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,400
Jagger took it, but this was on the way

2213
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,760
home from grandma and grandpa's house.

2214
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,120
And so, I want to set the stage with the

2215
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:30,320
public hearing just a little bit because

2216
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,560
we've already had a discussion of of

2217
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:36,000
development uh in conjunction with how

2218
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,679
that works in a general plan and how

2219
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:41,600
that maybe uh works with uh agriculture

2220
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,760
as well. I'll I'll orient you. Where

2221
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,800
you're looking at here is a a farmer's

2222
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,480
field inside Spanish Fork. It's not in a

2223
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:53,440
protection, but it but it is a and it's

2224
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:55,920
been egg for as long as I can remember.

2225
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,239
Um I asked Jagger to take that picture

2226
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:00,000
because if you look closely there's a

2227
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,239
basketball and I think to the right a

2228
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:04,960
little football uh there as well.

2229
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,239
There's the basketball. I think the

2230
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:07,760
football's to the right. Isn't that a

2231
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,040
football in the white? Yeah, something

2232
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:10,000
like that.

2233
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,840
>> So ask Jagger. This is the school Jagger

2234
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,560
goes to. uh Riverview Elementary and and

2235
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,159
I said, "Hey, what happens when the ball

2236
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:19,280
goes over uh into the farmer's field

2237
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,280
there?" And if it's during recess and

2238
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,440
they're out, then they say the teacher

2239
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:26,320
watches a kid and make sure they safely

2240
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,639
get uh out in the field and throw the

2241
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:31,760
ball back over. Uh and uh if it's after

2242
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,159
school, which this is after school, uh

2243
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:37,440
Mr. Kanto, the the the janitor, gets

2244
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:39,679
over there and gets the gets the balls

2245
01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:41,360
that come over from recess and and

2246
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:45,040
chucks them back over. Um, my reason uh

2247
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,120
for for thinking about this and and just

2248
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,159
to set the stage of of public uh comment

2249
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:52,800
tonight regarding the general plan is uh

2250
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,520
that school's been there,

2251
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,400
I don't know, 12, 15 years maybe. Is it

2252
01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:59,280
that long?

2253
01:29:59,280 --> 01:29:59,760
>> Yeah,

2254
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,440
>> probably close to 20, but we we'll find

2255
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:01,840
out.

2256
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,480
>> Maybe 20. Uh if you panned out from

2257
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:07,600
here, there is a medium density

2258
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,920
subdivision to the west. There's a

2259
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,480
medium density subdivision to the east.

2260
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:15,520
Uh there's uh there's the our our city

2261
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,880
park directly south of this and some

2262
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,560
commercial development to the to the

2263
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:25,199
north of it. Um this this is operated um

2264
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:28,800
besides a few you know balls in recess

2265
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:32,159
over in this field uh which which I know

2266
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:34,400
farmers the kind of the most persistent

2267
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,560
and and uh hardy type of folks can take

2268
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,159
care of that stuff over the years and

2269
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:42,239
they have here this has operated well

2270
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:44,880
with everything that's been grown in it

2271
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,600
including sheep that are fun to look at

2272
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,159
in the in the spring and and fall there.

2273
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:55,199
Um, and so, uh, the in in my line of

2274
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:57,679
work, I'm not a planner that has to deal

2275
01:30:57,679 --> 01:30:59,360
with land. I'm not a land planner. I am

2276
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,280
a financial planner. And so some of the

2277
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,360
disclosures that I want the public to

2278
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,760
kind of keep in mind as we discuss the

2279
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,800
general plan as a whole uh is if you see

2280
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:13,440
some of the documents financially that that go out in my line of work uh

2281
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:20,800
and and it's said sometimes verbally is uh um past uh performance is not a

2282
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,239
guarantee of future results. Uh keep

2283
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:26,960
that in mind about the general plan. Uh

2284
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:28,880
it's not always a guarantee of future

2285
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,880
results. But what else are we supposed

2286
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,679
to go off of except the past performance

2287
01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:37,120
of the city? I think this one picture

2288
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,520
can conceptualize a little bit and maybe

2289
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,920
put into visuals

2290
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:43,679
uh of the verbiage that we're we're

2291
01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:45,280
going to debate and discuss and try to

2292
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:46,800
talk about and and that the planning

2293
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,560
commission did as well. And the public

2294
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,239
has been involved in this two-year

2295
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:54,080
process as well is is that um Spanish

2296
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:55,840
Fork does have a good history of of

2297
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,440
trying to plan correctly, trying to do

2298
01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:00,080
it right, and trying to honor uh

2299
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,639
people's wishes, land owners wishes as

2300
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:04,000
they operate and do what they want to

2301
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,719
do. the realities are typically more

2302
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:09,600
like this in our city. So, let's not get

2303
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:13,280
so caught up in the the whatifs,

2304
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,600
but what has been because the what has

2305
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,480
been should carry some weight um with

2306
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,960
the decisions we're making as a as a

2307
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:22,639
future. There hasn't been a whole lot of

2308
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:26,320
misses in our our past general plans.

2309
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,320
Again, I reiterate what I've already

2310
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,800
said. Let's not let uh perfect be the

2311
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,000
enemy of good of updating a plan. But if

2312
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,639
it's not perfect, it's okay. Land

2313
01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:39,679
owners, especially farmers and other

2314
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:42,560
people that own land, can certainly come

2315
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,400
and and uh and petition their

2316
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,400
government, their local government for

2317
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,880
an adjustment to to that general plan.

2318
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,239
So, um just again, let's make sure and I

2319
01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:54,159
we always are respectful in our comments

2320
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:55,600
and everything else, but let's keep in

2321
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,960
mind that that uh we can be consistent

2322
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,360
about about the the whatifs. what if

2323
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,040
might happen. But but what has been

2324
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,920
happening is a lot of land uses

2325
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:10,560
coinciding right next to each other for decades and that'll continue to

2326
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:16,880
happen in in our in our city uh with land wishes. So um

2327
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,280
>> okay, any other questions or comments?

2328
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:19,440
Yes.

2329
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:20,639
>> For this public hearing, are we going

2330
01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:22,000
into public hearing for both the general

2331
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:23,360
plan and the growth boundary or just

2332
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:23,920
one?

2333
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,199
>> Unless you have a

2334
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:26,159
>> I think those separate.

2335
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:27,840
>> Yeah, unless you have a reason of of not

2336
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:28,960
doing that. I think that's a good

2337
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,880
suggestion. And so we're not kind of

2338
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,960
mixing that up and having to have people

2339
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,440
wait for another opening.

2340
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:37,840
>> So I' I'd entertain a motion like Dave

2341
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,400
suggested to to open up uh public

2342
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,159
hearing for the land use element of the

2343
01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:44,639
general plan and the growth boundary

2344
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:46,159
amendment together.

2345
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:47,840
>> Yep. Do them together.

2346
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,320
>> Questions or comments before a motion?

2347
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,000
>> Okay. I'd entertain a motion to go into

2348
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,800
public hearing for A and B together.

2349
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,320
>> I move that we go into public hearing

2350
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,360
for item A and item B.

2351
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,080
Motion made by Councilman Oiler. Second.

2352
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,320
>> Second by Councilman Tuk. All in favor

2353
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,080
to go on public hearing, say yes.

2354
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:07,040
>> Yes.

2355
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,679
>> We're in public hearing. Uh for A and B,

2356
01:34:09,679 --> 01:34:11,520
just make sure like like same thing in

2357
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,120
public comment. Come up and state your

2358
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,600
name. So uh Shelley gets it in the

2359
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,760
minutes and uh try to keep it to to

2360
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,920
three minutes. Uh we'll let you know

2361
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,600
when it when it gets close to there and

2362
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,280
if you need some reasons to go longer,

2363
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:27,910
you can you can ask.

2364
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,520
Seeing none, I propose we go out of

2365
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,040
public hearing.

2366
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,040
>> Stacy's quick on the trigger. She's

2367
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:34,159
always been trigger happy.

2368
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:35,760
>> Can I be bold and be first? Is that all

2369
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:36,080
right?

2370
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,679
>> You can go first. You bet.

2371
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:40,560
>> Well, mayor and uh council members Seth

2372
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,199
Dave particularly. I I appreciate the

2373
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:46,400
opportunity to share some thoughts name.

2374
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:47,600
>> For those What's that?

2375
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:48,400
>> Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

2376
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:49,040
>> Yeah, your name.

2377
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:50,560
>> For those that don't know me, my name is

2378
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,800
Ladson. Lifelong resident of Spanish

2379
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,360
Fork City. Um, aside from mission and

2380
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,040
graduate school, I've lived here for

2381
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:03,280
many years and uh, my my uh, comments

2382
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,120
have to do with the land use map and

2383
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,199
changes to the land use map that may

2384
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:10,480
impact a development of which I'm we

2385
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:13,280
have land that's a part of. Um, and I'll

2386
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,840
give you a little history. Six years ago

2387
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,120
when my dad Bert Timson died um I

2388
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,080
discovered that he had um designated me

2389
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,239
as the executive

2390
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:27,760
um of his trust in the state uh with a

2391
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,440
note that I always do what's best for

2392
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:31,199
his family

2393
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:34,480
and uh among other responsibilities

2394
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:38,480
um there's a parcel of land that we that

2395
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:42,560
my siblings and I uh inherited and uh

2396
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,000
after some consideration and

2397
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,080
conversation with my siblings, we

2398
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,440
decided to develop that land. Um

2399
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:51,040
although we've continued to lease it to

2400
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,520
local farmers to in the Larsson family

2401
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:57,679
to uh continue to to do agricultural

2402
01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:00,639
activities on that. Now I had no

2403
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:03,360
experience in land development.

2404
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,600
Um,

2405
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,080
but I soon felt the burden, if I can use

2406
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,960
a metaphor, of kind of being on the

2407
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,600
first yard line, my first yard line,

2408
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,840
looking 95 or 99 yards down the field,

2409
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,760
saying, I have no idea what I'm getting

2410
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,320
myself into. And I have to say that

2411
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:23,920
there have been some defensive schemes

2412
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,159
that have been put before me, some that

2413
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:27,520
been a little bit tougher to overcome

2414
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,400
than others. Um, not the least of which

2415
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,520
were road expansions with the uh State

2416
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:37,120
Route 164 and the Loaf Mountain Parkway,

2417
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,600
with the Salem Exchange, etc. of which

2418
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,600
the county was really great to work

2419
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:45,119
with. Um, Glenn Tanner, um, Richard

2420
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:47,280
Nlson were were awesome to work with. We

2421
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,320
got some many things resolved.

2422
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,480
uh based on the prime location of this

2423
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:56,000
and I'll just say it's it's in the south

2424
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,920
wet south southwest part of town in what

2425
01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:03,040
was annexed as west meadows

2426
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,560
and um once again our property is a part

2427
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:10,159
of a bigger development um and when when

2428
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:13,520
I first looked at land development I um

2429
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,199
approached or was approached by manner

2430
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:17,600
developers and decided to go with

2431
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,320
Holiday Oil and Fieldstone Homes soon

2432
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:21,840
learned that that's not a winning

2433
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,560
proposition based on the land use map at

2434
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,400
that time. Something that I wasn't

2435
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,159
familiar with but soon became familiar

2436
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:31,440
with. And so they graciously got out of

2437
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:34,000
the contract with me. And at that time I

2438
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,080
asked Mayor Mendenhal if there were

2439
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:37,760
possibly any developers that he knew

2440
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,239
that I could work with that would

2441
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:42,239
develop a plan that was congruent with

2442
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:44,960
the master plan and the land use map.

2443
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,639
And he pointed me in the direction of

2444
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:48,000
Elevate Development. And I've been

2445
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,840
working with them. Wow. Already I've

2446
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:51,440
been working with them for some time

2447
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:56,239
now. Um we've developed a plan um that

2448
01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:58,320
includes my property which would be all

2449
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,360
commercial and uh and then adjacent

2450
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,239
properties that would be residential uh

2451
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:08,159
mixed use etc. Um we have signed a

2452
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:10,880
purchase agreement with a reputable um

2453
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,440
commercial and retail developer and are

2454
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:15,119
ready to move forward. Yet, of course,

2455
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:18,800
we need uh to go through uh DRC uh get

2456
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,960
approval from the council for the final

2457
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:24,480
plat etc. But with the new land use map,

2458
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:26,639
it designates the area in which we're

2459
01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:30,320
located as all commercial

2460
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,040
and that presents a bit of a challenge

2461
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,440
obviously uh to develop that much

2462
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:38,560
commercial in 50 acres right off the

2463
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:43,440
bat. And so, um, I guess while I've got

2464
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,440
we've got this bird in the hand of this

2465
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:48,400
retail developer that's ready to go, I

2466
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,320
would suggest that we can accomp

2467
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,360
mutually accomplish um something that

2468
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,080
has a beneficial outcome uh with three

2469
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:58,239
elements. Number one, we bring revenue

2470
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:00,400
producing commercial retail center to

2471
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,719
this area with visibility and three

2472
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:05,440
major transportation corridors uh

2473
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:07,280
centered at the development at the point

2474
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,280
of development.

2475
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:10,800
We could help overcome the city's

2476
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,800
challenge of dwindling dwindling

2477
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,000
residential development areas and also

2478
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,760
help the state and city meet mandates

2479
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,159
for moderate income housing as defined

2480
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:22,080
in the city's plan for moderate income

2481
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,719
housing.

2482
01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:29,119
The ball has reached the red zone. Um we

2483
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:31,360
have a chance to score. I would just

2484
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,520
hope that the opportunity would exist

2485
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,560
when we do go to DRC, we we do come

2486
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,840
before the council that

2487
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,600
um the playing field or the goalpost

2488
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,320
doesn't move so far away that we can at

2489
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,400
least score a field goal and stay in the

2490
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,199
game. And so I hope that we consider

2491
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,679
that and and those are my thoughts and I

2492
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:53,040
appreciate you hearing me out. Thank you

2493
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:53,600
so much.

2494
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:57,360
>> Thanks L. Thanks.

2495
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,280
And don't let lad set the precedent for

2496
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,440
everybody to take six minutes, but

2497
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:03,440
>> I'll try to be a minute under. Okay. Uh

2498
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:05,280
Tate Murphy, Elevate Development, um

2499
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,440
partnering with the Timson family and

2500
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:09,440
LAD on that piece. Uh they're at the

2501
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:15,440
Benjamin exit. So Lad did a great job of expressing our concern on it. I mean,

2502
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:18,320
my bigger concern is even 20 years from

2503
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,960
now when there is if that turns into a

2504
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:22,400
state street and that flies over the

2505
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,080
freeway, the property that we're looking

2506
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,159
at for residential, that's where it

2507
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:28,880
starts to build and cross the freeway.

2508
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:30,800
And so, even in 20 years from now, it

2509
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:32,560
will have really poor access for

2510
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,320
commercial. We talked to our retail

2511
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,000
developer that's working on it and said,

2512
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,080
"We would never touch this for a retail

2513
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,400
piece. There's going to be one small,

2514
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,159
you know, entrance in and out of it."

2515
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:43,840
And that's a lot of commercial there.

2516
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:45,520
And so I know you guys have to look at

2517
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,199
this with a long-term plan in mind, but

2518
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:49,440
even in the long-term plan, because that

2519
01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:50,800
is going to cross the freeway and

2520
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,400
there's going to start being that

2521
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:55,280
buildup, we would propose that instead

2522
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,520
of having to go through another hoop and

2523
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,520
try to talk through the general plan

2524
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,920
again that you guys hopefully will, as

2525
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:03,760
you're making these adjustments, look at

2526
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,560
that and and express and take into

2527
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,719
account our concern. Um, we have

2528
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:10,320
submitted a new concept plan that

2529
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:11,920
hopefully will be uh will be in front of

2530
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:13,440
the DRC I think on the 21st and then

2531
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:15,440
hopefully in front of you all again. I

2532
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:16,880
know we've already talked about this

2533
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:18,320
once and we have expanded the

2534
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,560
commercial. We we we're listening. We're

2535
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,080
trying to work together. We just don't

2536
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,719
want it to be hey you know this your

2537
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:26,000
pigeon hold at this point because we've

2538
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:27,760
now adopted this right and so we just

2539
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:29,199
want to keep the the conversation going

2540
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:30,880
with all of you. But thank you.

2541
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:36,550
>> Thank you Tate.

2542
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:38,480
Hello, my name is Clayton Rackom with

2543
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:41,199
the Clyde Capital Group and excited to

2544
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:43,840
echo the words of Mayor Menden Hall in

2545
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,679
Spanish Fork has done a great job in all

2546
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:47,840
their general plans that I've seen in

2547
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,800
the past which is only one but

2548
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,040
>> that existing plan want to speak to that

2549
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,360
and the new plan and how it affects

2550
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,040
where we're caught in that Clyde

2551
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,600
annexation the 1050 west annexation

2552
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:03,119
caught between Yeah, there's

2553
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:04,800
we got got a unanimous approval from the

2554
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,400
council to move forward to study our

2555
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:08,560
annexation while at the same time

2556
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,840
there's draft policy that contradicts

2557
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,840
development, residential development on

2558
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,280
the west side. Um, speaking to the old

2559
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,920
general plan and APA's,

2560
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,400
it's interesting because that general

2561
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,159
plan includes a lot of land use

2562
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:26,960
designations within APA. So I agree with

2563
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:30,159
Dave that even the growth management

2564
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:31,920
boundary as it's presented and the

2565
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,840
removal of a significant amount of land

2566
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:37,199
that is in APAs is is a step far beyond

2567
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:40,400
I think what I see most cities doing and

2568
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:43,280
then also wanted to speak more in line

2569
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,840
with our annexation also recognizing

2570
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,080
this is a general plan discussion and

2571
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:50,880
comment um

2572
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,040
we've we've had this has been my life

2573
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:57,600
for three years looking at this piece of land to this area, how to

2574
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,840
create it into a sustainable community

2575
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:01,760
because that's the vision of Clyde

2576
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:05,520
Capital Group and we've worked with you

2577
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:07,920
do. I've appreciated being in those

2578
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:09,840
meetings over the last three years

2579
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,880
participating with the planners you have

2580
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,840
hired with the help of MAG.

2581
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,159
Um, I'd like to say that I know that

2582
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:20,480
it's MAG, the Mountainland Association

2583
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:22,400
of Government's responsibility to plan

2584
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,880
for future infrastructure outside of the

2585
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,440
city's control and decisions. I've been

2586
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,360
able to sit with them, meet with them,

2587
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,639
meet with UTA board members, discuss

2588
01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:35,600
this with project managers of UD do of

2589
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,760
the infrastructure that will eventually

2590
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,480
come in. And yeah, funding's hard. I

2591
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:43,440
think state funding for large whether

2592
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:45,760
it's a h 100red million or 192 and you

2593
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,880
tack on a UTA station and it does end up

2594
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,040
being in the ballpark of 500 million. I

2595
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,199
think it's it's a significant sum of

2596
01:43:53,199 --> 01:43:56,719
money and it's a big decision. At the

2597
01:43:56,719 --> 01:43:59,119
same time I I think I think a lot of

2598
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:02,000
that's well down the way as far as I've

2599
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:03,840
seen in the meetings I've had over the

2600
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:07,520
past three years. Um, so I'd love, and I

2601
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:09,840
believe we've requested this in the

2602
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,560
past, I'd love to meet with MAG and the

2603
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,199
council or the mayor and discuss how do

2604
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:16,719
we accelerate a center street

2605
01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:19,360
interchange that's needed. And the

2606
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,119
environmental assessment that has been

2607
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:22,960
completed has shown that if that

2608
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:24,400
interchange isn't built, there's

2609
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,560
significant issues along Main Street.

2610
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,880
There already are. Uh, I used to live

2611
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,480
here for 2 and 1/2 years and that was

2612
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:33,840
four years ago and there were

2613
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,760
significant traffic problems along Main

2614
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,520
Street because there is no center street

2615
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,639
interchange. So, hoping to hoping to see

2616
01:44:40,639 --> 01:44:42,560
this general plan adopted, hoping to see

2617
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:45,520
the community continue to grow as it's

2618
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,239
required to by population growth and

2619
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:49,840
other things. But thanks for your time,

2620
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,600
council.

2621
01:44:51,600 --> 01:45:02,470
Thanks, sir.

2622
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:06,880
Hello, my name is Lisa Olsen and I am a

2623
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,760
lifelong member or member resident of

2624
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:13,520
Spanish Fork and I did send an email to

2625
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,320
the council members so they all already

2626
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:17,840
know

2627
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,560
my thoughts on this, but I wanted to

2628
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,679
just let the public know, I guess. Um,

2629
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:26,320
so concerning

2630
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,719
uh the general plan in the Leland area

2631
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:31,679
or near the Benjamin exit or I believe

2632
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:34,080
that's what 8,000 South uh it's always

2633
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,080
been Benjamin exit to me.

2634
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:44,000
Um I feel that often times when like um

2635
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,719
Councilman Marshall mentioned we go by

2636
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:50,080
the general plan when when we can and

2637
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:53,760
when we can't we can change it but often

2638
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,320
times when that general plan says it's

2639
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,320
zone not necessarily I don't know if

2640
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:00,000
zone I don't know what the wording all

2641
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,159
is but it says it's supposed to be a

2642
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:05,119
certain zone or density.

2643
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:09,040
um we rarely go down from that but

2644
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:12,800
typically go up. I rarely see it go from

2645
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:16,560
a high density down to a lower density

2646
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,080
um situation. So in that area where

2647
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,920
there is a protected um areas as well in

2648
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:28,080
there and I would love to see that um

2649
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,480
kind of gateway into our city look a

2650
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,520
little different anyway um to bringing

2651
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,880
down that medium density residential

2652
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:39,760
that's proposed in there to even the

2653
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,320
estate because we all know that that's

2654
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:44,880
going to possibly bounce up from there.

2655
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:47,199
So why not bounce up rather than start

2656
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:50,800
up if that makes sense.

2657
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,360
Um so that was my thoughts on that as

2658
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,520
far and also

2659
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,520
even on the other side on the west side

2660
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:01,679
of the freeway it's um proposed to be

2661
01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:05,119
low density why that couldn't also be a

2662
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:07,280
state density where we're bordering all

2663
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:10,639
of agriculture along there. So, thank

2664
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:23,990
you.

2665
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:26,080
Hello, my name is Jackie Larson. I am

2666
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:27,840
the owner and manager of SevenBar

2667
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:29,840
Farming and my parents are Gary and Su

2668
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,400
Larsen and they Larson Cow Company. So,

2669
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,239
I'm going to try to be go as quickly as

2670
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:36,080
possible, but with it being a 70-page

2671
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:37,520
document, there's no way I can get

2672
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,600
through it all in three minutes. So, in

2673
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,199
respect of everybody's time, I'll try to

2674
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:42,880
summarize it by listing a few main

2675
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:45,360
points and when I sit down, I will email

2676
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,520
um you all a copy of the PDF comments

2677
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,360
that I made um and then ask you to

2678
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,360
incorporate some of that into the final

2679
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,400
version before you adopt it. So, first,

2680
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,800
my family's property, I ask for it to be

2681
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,480
general plan as agriculture, and that's

2682
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:01,520
east and west of I-15. Um next,

2683
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:02,880
agriculture and how it's defined

2684
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,280
throughout this document is not correct.

2685
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,600
And third, the a protection area laws

2686
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,520
are not implemented um in this according

2687
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,360
to statute. And I have addressed that in

2688
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:12,639
detail in the PDF that I'm going to send

2689
01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:15,600
you guys once I sit back down. Um and in

2690
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:17,760
the goals, uh Councilman Marshall and

2691
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:19,679
Carden, you both came out to my family's

2692
01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:21,119
farm in Leland just last year and met

2693
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:23,119
with a number of farmers from that area.

2694
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:24,960
Um I think it's appropriate to include

2695
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:26,960
in the objectives and strategies that

2696
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:28,639
there are several changes to be made to

2697
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:31,119
title 15 for agriculture. Along with

2698
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:32,880
that, a better incorporation of a

2699
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,040
protected areas, agriculture as a

2700
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:36,800
working operation and not only limited

2701
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,400
to the river bottoms and aggra tourism

2702
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:42,639
west of I-15. Um, next,

2703
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:45,040
state law does define some time frames

2704
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,600
so that the annexation policy boundary

2705
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,639
is within the next 20 years. Uh, station

2706
01:48:50,639 --> 01:48:52,400
area plan once certified is within a

2707
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:54,320
15-year horizon with reporting every 5

2708
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,880
years and act protection is a minimum 20

2709
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,400
years which renews automatically for

2710
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,560
additional 20 years. So where there is

2711
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,880
an APA agriculture is a long-term lenus

2712
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:04,960
that the city should plan for and that

2713
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:06,320
is a collective landowner driven

2714
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,159
commitment that they made and if

2715
01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:09,520
somebody wants to remove their parcel

2716
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,040
from act protection that the remaining

2717
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,040
area remains an APA since that

2718
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,679
geographic area of the APA which we have

2719
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:17,600
thousands of contiguous acres of are

2720
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,280
significantly larger than one individual

2721
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,600
parcel. So that's where the living

2722
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:23,840
document aspect of the lenus element

2723
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,600
comes into place. So if somebody wants

2724
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,840
to go up in density when removed from an

2725
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,840
APA, then that change in the designation

2726
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,440
for their parcel should be considered

2727
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:33,920
later if that time ever comes. Mayor

2728
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,080
Minhal,

2729
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:39,119
not the whatifs, but the what has been

2730
01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:42,639
in agriculture and an APA. So a couple

2731
01:49:42,639 --> 01:49:44,400
more things. The separation into

2732
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:46,000
established neighborhoods and focused

2733
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,159
growth centers. What the draft is doing

2734
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:49,679
is structurally has placed agriculture

2735
01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:51,760
outside the core planning framework.

2736
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:53,760
That draft sets up two real planning

2737
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,560
categories on page 10 of established

2738
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,159
neighborhoods and focused growth

2739
01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:01,520
centers. So the draft explicitly says or

2740
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,760
says at the very end of that page this

2741
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,080
structure forms the basis for the lines

2742
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:09,040
map and the policies that follow. So

2743
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:10,560
from the very beginning those two

2744
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:11,920
categories drive everything that comes

2745
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,080
after by which this functionally

2746
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:15,760
collapses agriculture into the future

2747
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,920
growth area system. It is treated as

2748
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,320
future growth land, not as protected and

2749
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:23,119
not as a long-term land use. And that's

2750
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:24,560
exactly why the growth management

2751
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,159
boundary policy ends up managing its

2752
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:28,159
conversion instead of protecting it. Can

2753
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:29,360
I just like go into my next three

2754
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:30,400
minutes for like the growth management

2755
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,000
boundary? That's the last thing I have.

2756
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:35,119
Okay. So, the growth management boundary

2757
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:36,639
um does not meet the city's legal

2758
01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:38,560
obligation to APA law and it does not

2759
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:39,920
avoid proposing land uses that are

2760
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,080
inconsistent with or detrimental to

2761
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:44,239
agriculture. This draft is planning a

2762
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:46,239
future development on agricultural land

2763
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:47,600
and then using the growth and management

2764
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,119
boundary to say just not yet. So the

2765
01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:54,159
simple way to understand the problem

2766
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:55,840
imagine somebody tells you we respect

2767
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,239
your farm. We're just going to map it

2768
01:50:58,239 --> 01:50:59,840
for future subdivisions but don't worry

2769
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,239
we won't build them right right away.

2770
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:04,320
That's what this language does. The lang

2771
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:06,080
the land use map already designates your

2772
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:07,520
land for development. The growth

2773
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,119
management boundary might delay when it

2774
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:11,119
happens. So agriculture isn't being

2775
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:12,639
protected. it's being scheduled for

2776
01:51:12,639 --> 01:51:13,920
transition to a land use that's not

2777
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,560
agriculture. State law does not say

2778
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,560
don't develop APAs right now. It says

2779
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:20,880
don't plant incompatible land uses on

2780
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:23,119
them in the first place. So the issue

2781
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:26,400
isn't timing, it's what is being mapped.

2782
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,480
The hidden switch this language makes

2783
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:30,320
quietly trans tries to change the rules

2784
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,719
from avoid uh planning incompatible land

2785
01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:36,239
uses on agriculture land to you can plan

2786
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:38,080
incompatible uses as long as you phase

2787
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,360
them outside the growth boundary for

2788
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,400
now. That's a big shift. So why the

2789
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,080
identify and consider line matters? The

2790
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:45,920
city says we identified and considered

2791
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,560
all APAs, but that's only part of the

2792
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:51,040
requirement. What's missing is you can't

2793
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,040
map land uses that conflict with

2794
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,280
agriculture. So this becomes we

2795
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,119
considered it while still planning

2796
01:51:57,119 --> 01:51:59,840
something different. So in plain

2797
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:01,440
language, the current approach treats

2798
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:03,280
agriculture land like a future

2799
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:04,639
development reserve instead of protected

2800
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:08,719
ongoing use. Um there is a land use of

2801
01:52:08,719 --> 01:52:10,400
agricultural in this draft findings

2802
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:11,920
element. I wish I would have got the

2803
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:14,080
exact page number.

2804
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,320
So apply that agriculture designation to

2805
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:18,800
all APAs. The draft language says that

2806
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:19,920
it tells property owners that

2807
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:21,760
agriculture will continue quote for the

2808
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,520
time being. But at the same time it

2809
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,520
tells UD do UTA and MAG to plan for

2810
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:28,320
roads infrastructure um and such through

2811
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,000
those same areas even outside the growth

2812
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,760
management boundary. That's a direct

2813
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:33,840
contradiction of act protection. This is

2814
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,159
not active. This is active urbanization

2815
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:37,760
planning, not agriculture preservation

2816
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:39,440
because the land use map is what drives

2817
01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:41,280
regional modeling. Those infrastructure

2818
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,440
decisions are being based on land use

2819
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:45,360
designations that ignore APA areas

2820
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:48,080
entirely. So what happens? Roads get

2821
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:49,599
planned, utilities get built, and then

2822
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:51,840
the city says growth is inevitable and

2823
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:53,679
moves the boundary. That's not

2824
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:56,080
preservation. That's a self-fulfilling

2825
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,639
conversion process. And agriculture gets

2826
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:00,960
pushed out not by choice but by policy

2827
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,119
and process. Thanks.

2828
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:03,760
Jackie,

2829
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:10,950
>> thank you.

2830
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,280
» Hi, Richard Mendenhal with the Canyon

2831
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:17,910
Creek Commercial Center. Um,

2832
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:19,920
uh, we would like to address a few of

2833
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,360
the elements of the general plan tonight

2834
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:25,280
that are, uh, consequential in terms of

2835
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:26,560
the transition that they're going

2836
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,679
through. with what $150 million or

2837
01:53:29,679 --> 01:53:30,719
something of that nature that's

2838
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:33,679
committed to the um Dry Creek Parkway,

2839
01:53:33,679 --> 01:53:34,960
the interchange and the improvements

2840
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:38,239
from I-15 to SR-51.

2841
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:40,880
In addition to that, Canyon Creek

2842
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,599
Parkway is scheduled for a realignment

2843
01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:46,000
that will begin later this year and will

2844
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,880
take the current Canyon Creek alignment

2845
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:52,159
to 1200 West in Springville. And that

2846
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:53,520
will be the permanent alignment with the

2847
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:55,679
full service access there that will feed

2848
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:59,920
the freeway traffic from I-15 along Ken

2849
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,480
Creek Park or Dry Creek Parkway down

2850
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:06,080
through the Canyon Creek Parkway to US6

2851
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,239
and vice versa. So two freeway accesses

2852
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:10,719
will be fully operational facilitating

2853
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:13,119
the commercial traffic between the two

2854
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:16,880
corridors. Um the current forecast for

2855
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,280
the traffic volumes on that are moving

2856
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:22,080
towards 20,000 cars a day. Today on

2857
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:24,400
North Canyon Creek Parkway north of of

2858
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,360
where IHC is is in the four to 5,000

2859
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:29,119
cars a day range. So we're talking about

2860
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:31,840
a material change with the realignment

2861
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:34,000
that enables commercial development to

2862
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:35,760
occur up and down the corridor that

2863
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,400
would be similar to what is already

2864
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:40,080
existing within the Canyon Creek

2865
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:43,119
Shopping Center. So there's about 136

2866
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:46,159
acres that's in Spanish Fork City,

2867
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,560
including land that's owned by the city

2868
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,639
for a depth of approximately 1,000 ft

2869
01:54:50,639 --> 01:54:54,239
from the center line of the Canyon the

2870
01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:56,560
Canyon Creek commercial Canyon Creek

2871
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,880
Parkway, which would be eligible and

2872
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,119
there's current market demand to support

2873
01:55:01,119 --> 01:55:03,119
commercial development that would be

2874
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:05,360
retail and corporate officebased that

2875
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:08,560
will enable tax base to be enhanced in

2876
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:10,000
addition to what's already happening in

2877
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,480
the Canyon Creek shopping center. We

2878
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:13,920
like the idea and we think it makes

2879
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:15,760
perfect sense when the city's talking

2880
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,440
about your gateway districts and you're

2881
01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:20,320
talking about uh the d the combination

2882
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,800
of development there. Uh just to echo

2883
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:24,159
back to the council some of the

2884
01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:26,400
concepts, the gateway designation

2885
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,080
combines highdensity housing with

2886
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:29,840
commercial uses to create vibrant

2887
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:31,920
mixeduse neighborhoods that mark key

2888
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,440
entrances to the city. Unlike the

2889
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:36,400
mixeduse designation areas where this

2890
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,000
designation accommodates taller

2891
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:39,440
buildings and greater residential

2892
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:42,159
intensity uh with a focus on modern

2893
01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:44,000
integrated mixeduse development. These

2894
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,760
areas are strategically positioned along

2895
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:47,440
major transportation corridors such as

2896
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:51,199
I-15 to maximize accessibility.

2897
01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:54,000
This arrangement promotes walkability,

2898
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,400
encourages active streetscapes, and

2899
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,040
supports live work play lifestyle. This

2900
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,360
designated land use accommodates future

2901
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:04,080
growth by prioritizing sub uh sub

2902
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:05,920
substantial transit oriented development

2903
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,719
to create dynamic attractive spaces that

2904
01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:10,560
integrate housing, shopping, dining, and

2905
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,560
personal services. Right now, there's

2906
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:14,960
about a million w within the next year,

2907
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:17,440
we'll have about a million3 in square

2908
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,199
footage that's completed with retail,

2909
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:21,280
dining, entertainment,

2910
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:25,760
uh uh services as well as the hospital.

2911
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:27,840
In our view, that corridor ought to be

2912
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:31,199
focused as commercial with the gateway

2913
01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:33,280
district designations on the periphery

2914
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,119
of that to bring the residential

2915
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:36,880
intensity in that will then support the

2916
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,239
commercial and create the live work

2917
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:40,000
environments that you're talking about.

2918
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,719
Specifically, our request is that the 12

2919
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:45,119
acres at the northwest corner of

2920
01:56:45,119 --> 01:56:47,760
Marketplace and Expressway be designated

2921
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:52,480
as gateway and that the corridor in its

2922
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,159
future alignment for Canyon Creek

2923
01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:57,280
Parkway be designated as commercial to

2924
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:58,800
facilitate the continuation of

2925
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:02,239
commercial from Dry Creek Parkway to

2926
01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:05,350
US6.

2927
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:06,400
» Thank you, Richard.

2928
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:13,270
>> Thank you.

2929
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:16,159
It's been a while.

2930
01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:19,360
>> My name is Jackie Smith and um my family

2931
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,199
owns a substantial amount of land in the

2932
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:22,960
Spanish Fork River Bottoms and on the

2933
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,119
Spanish Fork East bench and I am here to

2934
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:28,239
address the land use policy. Um I'm in a

2935
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:30,880
unique position because both sections of

2936
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,920
my ground are affected by this new land

2937
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:36,400
use. Um, I can't think of what to call

2938
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,400
it, but I'm here because I have concerns

2939
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:40,400
about the process and the impact of this

2940
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,480
plan. Many of the land owners who were

2941
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,719
directly affected, particularly in the

2942
01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:47,199
river bottoms, were not meaningly

2943
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:49,599
included. I would ask why that's been

2944
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:51,119
and how that's going to be addressed

2945
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:53,440
moving forward. This plan creates

2946
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,280
disparities between neighboring

2947
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:56,800
properties. Similar ground is being

2948
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:58,960
treated very differently, which directly

2949
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,800
affects both the value and long-term

2950
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:03,280
potential of the ground. The zoning

2951
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:05,440
difference applies to both the bench and

2952
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:07,360
in the river bottoms. For example, there

2953
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:09,280
is property in the river bottoms where

2954
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:11,520
the plan now will allow up to three

2955
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:14,080
homes per acre. While adjacent ground,

2956
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,920
which from what I can tell on the map

2957
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:18,159
would be my ground, is limited to one

2958
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:21,199
home per 40 acre. Although today that

2959
01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:23,440
same ground, all of that ground is one

2960
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:26,000
home per five acres.

2961
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,360
Why would I why as a land owner would I

2962
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:32,400
be supportive of this? Um, that's a

2963
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:35,119
significant change that creates a very

2964
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:36,800
real disparity between neighboring

2965
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,800
properties. I also want to address

2966
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,280
something similar on the east bench. The

2967
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:42,960
surrounding properties on the east bench

2968
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,280
to ours are zoned low density and medium

2969
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,679
density housing. It's been recommended

2970
01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:49,599
that the remaining undeveloped ground on

2971
01:58:49,599 --> 01:58:52,320
the east bench, our family's ground, is

2972
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:54,320
being recommended for estate zoning.

2973
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,960
that res represents a reduction in

2974
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:58,719
density compared to the surrounding

2975
01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:01,119
properties and directly impacts its

2976
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:03,679
value and potential. When ground is

2977
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:06,320
zoned similar to surrounding properties,

2978
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:08,639
the offers come in. They're strong and

2979
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:11,199
they're competitive. When the zoning is

2980
01:59:11,199 --> 01:59:13,440
restrictive,

2981
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:17,440
nobody wants it. Okay. You um New Dave,

2982
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:18,719
I'm calling you new Dave because I don't

2983
01:59:18,719 --> 01:59:22,000
know you. You specifically asked how can

2984
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:24,800
this this plan doesn't affect value but

2985
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:28,000
it does. I am living it today and I am

2986
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:31,119
telling you that it does. Okay. I want

2987
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:33,199
to also clarify something because we

2988
01:59:33,199 --> 01:59:34,960
keep saying this is a farming plan. This

2989
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:37,280
is a farming town. Earlier we were

2990
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:38,800
saying how great we are because we

2991
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:42,480
support the stock show. Land value is

2992
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:45,199
what allows farmers to operate. It

2993
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:47,199
supports financing for equipment,

2994
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:49,599
rebuilding after loss, and continuing

2995
01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:52,400
day-to-day operations. If land values

2996
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,639
are reduced, it becomes harder to secure

2997
01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:56,880
the credit and investment needed to keep

2998
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,199
farming viable. It doesn't get easier

2999
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:01,599
when our property values go down. It's

3000
02:00:01,599 --> 02:00:04,159
important to ask to me personally, why

3001
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:06,719
are we making so many decisions for

3002
02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:09,440
ground that may never be annexed? And

3003
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:11,280
why is is anyone taking into account

3004
02:00:11,280 --> 02:00:12,960
that it is decreasing the value of

3005
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,040
ground that may never fall within your

3006
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,920
city limits? If this is the plan, what

3007
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:20,800
is the city's plan to offset that? If I

3008
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:22,639
can keep going, I understand and I read

3009
02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:25,679
in here TDRs may be back, but those

3010
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:28,000
programs are not fixed or guaranteed and

3011
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:30,000
their value depends on future market

3012
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,320
decisions and policies that can change

3013
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:35,040
over time, just like this changed from

3014
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:39,199
last week to today. Okay. So, if the

3015
02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:41,119
city's not willing to stand up and back

3016
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:43,760
those and establish a value, it just

3017
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,480
leads to a loss for everyone overall. At

3018
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,560
this point, I would urge everyone to

3019
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:51,119
take a moment and deny this ordinance.

3020
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:53,440
At least delay a consideration until

3021
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:55,520
there are clear, concrete answers to

3022
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:57,599
questions my family and many many other

3023
02:00:57,599 --> 02:01:00,000
people here have asked. One thing I'd

3024
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:01,760
like to point out is the land can't

3025
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,159
support a farmer financially. that land

3026
02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:05,760
in the river bottoms will not be

3027
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:08,480
farmland for long.

3028
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:11,199
Um, I want to thank Shane for Councilman

3029
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:14,480
Marshall for asking some questions, that I feel like we've been

3030
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:18,880
asking for years. And you know, Dave

3031
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:21,280
said, I can't come up, this is Dave

3032
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:23,119
Anderson, I can't see how this would

3033
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:25,040
hurt a farmer. Well, I can tell you

3034
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:28,639
right now for my family, if the value of

3035
02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:30,400
our property in the river bottoms goes

3036
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,800
down, we can't afford to invest in new

3037
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:34,800
equipment, new equipment. We can't

3038
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:38,159
afford to have the next generation go on

3039
02:01:38,159 --> 02:01:40,800
and do that farming. And it's taking

3040
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:42,880
that value away if you go from I can't

3041
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,119
go get a loan against something with a

3042
02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:47,840
TDR on it where I can go get a loan

3043
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:51,840
against property as it sits right now.

3044
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:52,480
>> Thank you.

3045
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:53,119
>> Thanks, Jackie.

3046
02:01:53,119 --> 02:02:00,149
>> Thank you. Anyone

3047
02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:11,990
else for public hearing?

3048
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:15,360
Hello friends. I have my This is uh I'm

3049
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:17,679
Shauna Warick and I'm wearing my

3050
02:02:17,679 --> 02:02:20,080
planning commissioner hat tonight. It's

3051
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:22,880
good to see all of you. Um, thank you so

3052
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:25,360
much for supporting the uh land use

3053
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:28,480
element update of the general plan. It's

3054
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:31,199
been a uh a really exciting and

3055
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:33,360
interesting thing to be a part of. Um,

3056
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:35,920
thank you to Dave Anderson and David Man

3057
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:38,080
and Brandon and the staff for all the

3058
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:41,440
diligent work and detailed refinement.

3059
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,760
It's a good product. Uh, from the things

3060
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:45,360
you've heard tonight, it's not a perfect

3061
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,239
product and uh, it's been interesting to

3062
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:49,760
be part of the process. I've loved

3063
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:51,040
listening and discussing with the

3064
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:55,119
public, particularly with um quite a few

3065
02:02:55,119 --> 02:02:57,920
different people, but uh it's part of a

3066
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,239
one with high school students and

3067
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:03,599
hearing their perspective on things. Um

3068
02:03:03,599 --> 02:03:06,960
I'm surprised that uh I'm surprised that

3069
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:08,239
there's people that feel like they

3070
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:10,639
haven't been invited to be part of the

3071
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:12,159
process and give their input because

3072
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:14,480
I've seen it on many

3073
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:18,159
in many different ways. Um but uh I'm

3074
02:03:18,159 --> 02:03:20,400
glad that they can come and and comment

3075
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:24,000
now and and be part of the process now

3076
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:27,920
too. Um as you know most of um most

3077
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,080
people think of the general plan as the

3078
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,880
map and I appreciate the map updates and

3079
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:35,840
the sections that describe land uses.

3080
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:37,520
Super interesting. That's the first half

3081
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:41,040
of the of the land use element. Um, I

3082
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:42,880
appreciate that as time goes on there's

3083
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:45,599
provision to make changes and updates uh

3084
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:48,159
with uh the times and that the changes

3085
02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:50,000
should have pertinent and compelling

3086
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:53,280
reasons to do so. Um, my favorite part

3087
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:55,760
of this is the second half of the land

3088
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:58,159
use element. It's the policy goals that

3089
02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:00,080
show good practice and our values for

3090
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:03,280
our city development. It's uh very good

3091
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:06,880
pride in progress. Um the plan I one

3092
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:08,080
thing I wanted to tell you is the

3093
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:10,000
planning commission chose not to address

3094
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:13,440
a couple of issues that um that Dave

3095
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:16,639
brought before you tonight. One is um

3096
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:19,679
the part where the growth management

3097
02:04:19,679 --> 02:04:22,639
boundary map conflicts with um with the

3098
02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:24,639
second half in that policy because we

3099
02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:26,239
felt that this was a city council

3100
02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:31,199
discussion. Um, and and also you know

3101
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:32,719
this and I know this, but I think the

3102
02:04:32,719 --> 02:04:34,320
public should also remember that the

3103
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:36,639
growth management boundary

3104
02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:39,360
is an area that the city is willing to

3105
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:42,560
annex because that's where we can

3106
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:45,840
reasonably provide utilities if landover

3107
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:49,199
owners apply um or petition to be

3108
02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:53,199
annexed to the city. Um I think that's

3109
02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:57,040
right, Mr. Anderson. um we felt comfort.

3110
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:01,040
There's also one other space that um

3111
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:04,239
that is along the 900 South corridor.

3112
02:05:04,239 --> 02:05:08,000
The land designation has been um on

3113
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:11,360
medium density and there's members of

3114
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:16,480
the commission that had thought that area should be a lower density. So,

3115
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:18,320
um we thought that would be a council

3116
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:19,920
decision, too. Thank you so much,

3117
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:21,119
friends.

3118
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:28,310
>> Thank you, Commissioner.

3119
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:33,189
Anyone else?

3120
02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:34,880
Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion to

3121
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:36,719
go out of public hearing for item A and

3122
02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:38,000
B. So moved.

3123
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:40,719
>> Motion made by Councilman Cardon.

3124
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:42,639
Second by Councilwoman Beck. All in

3125
02:05:42,639 --> 02:05:43,920
favor say yes.

3126
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:45,280
>> Yes.

3127
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:48,400
>> Thank you public for your uh questions

3128
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:51,119
and your comments and insights. Uh,

3129
02:05:51,119 --> 02:05:53,199
anybody want to uh from notes that we've

3130
02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:55,360
all taken like we do uh during public

3131
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,840
hearings all the time? Any council

3132
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,000
members have questions or comments that

3133
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,000
they'd like to make uh from what the

3134
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:02,960
public brought up?

3135
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:05,920
>> I'll start with a comment.

3136
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:08,000
Just a thought.

3137
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:11,199
Um maybe for anybody that's not familiar

3138
02:06:11,199 --> 02:06:14,800
with a general plan update and what the

3139
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:16,239
city is going through at this point,

3140
02:06:16,239 --> 02:06:19,119
maybe the public that are watching,

3141
02:06:19,119 --> 02:06:20,800
you might get the sense that the city's

3142
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,760
starting from scratch. Um which we're

3143
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:25,920
not. We're actually doing a general plan

3144
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:28,639
update, which means there's a plan that

3145
02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:31,119
already exists and has existed for 20

3146
02:06:31,119 --> 02:06:34,639
plus years. And you know, sometimes I

3147
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:36,639
think it would be easy to just kick the

3148
02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:38,320
ball down the road and say, "Let's not

3149
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,960
do anything. Let's leave the plan

3150
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:44,400
exactly the way it is today." And in

3151
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:46,400
many cases, if you actually look at the

3152
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:49,679
changes between what exists today in the

3153
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:52,480
general plan and what's being proposed,

3154
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:55,280
there are not a lot of changes. Not a

3155
02:06:55,280 --> 02:06:57,840
lot. Um, obviously those that it does

3156
02:06:57,840 --> 02:06:59,440
affect are here and they're discussing

3157
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:02,079
that and and we are glad that you glad

3158
02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:04,239
that you are. But if you look at the

3159
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:06,320
overall picture of the entire city and

3160
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:08,159
the changes that's being proposed

3161
02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:11,440
between our current plan that actually

3162
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:14,880
exists and has existed and I don't know

3163
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:17,119
how that's affected your properties over

3164
02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:19,040
the past 20 years to have the plan

3165
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:21,280
that's been in place for for as long as

3166
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:24,400
it has but it's been there compared to

3167
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:26,000
the plan that we're proposing there

3168
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:28,000
again there's not a lot of changes. So I

3169
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:31,040
just wanted to start with that.

3170
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:33,040
>> Thank you.

3171
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:36,079
I have a quick question for staff. Um,

3172
02:07:36,079 --> 02:07:37,679
there was that meeting that would happen

3173
02:07:37,679 --> 02:07:39,920
last Monday. I know you talked about it,

3174
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:42,239
but were there any comments made that

3175
02:07:42,239 --> 02:07:44,320
night and also were there any changes

3176
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:46,400
made due to that meeting? What was

3177
02:07:46,400 --> 02:07:47,760
brought up in that meeting? I I wasn't

3178
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:50,239
able to attend. I meant to ask that

3179
02:07:50,239 --> 02:07:50,880
earlier and I forgot.

3180
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:51,840
>> Where were you?

3181
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:53,440
>> I don't remember.

3182
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:57,510
>> Probably know we're good.

3183
02:07:57,520 --> 02:07:58,880
» Had it been possible, you would have

3184
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:00,560
been there, right? I'll vouch for you.

3185
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:03,199
don't miss much. So, um, the purpose

3186
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:04,639
of that meeting was for us to share

3187
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:06,400
information with people with the

3188
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:08,000
understanding that the council had this

3189
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:10,960
opportunity for people to provide input,

3190
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:14,079
you know, just a week later. So, we

3191
02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:17,520
weren't there gathering comment or

3192
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:20,079
really doing anything other than

3193
02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:23,679
explaining the process and the document

3194
02:08:23,679 --> 02:08:27,199
and its purpose and answering questions.

3195
02:08:27,199 --> 02:08:28,719
So,

3196
02:08:28,719 --> 02:08:31,920
uh, if I understood your question right,

3197
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:34,079
no, we didn't we didn't take notes

3198
02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:36,000
relative to maybe issues that people

3199
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,560
wanted us to look into further or

3200
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:39,599
anything like that with the

3201
02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:41,520
understanding that this is this was the

3202
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:44,000
forum for that. So,

3203
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:46,079
>> thank you. And then I had a maybe a

3204
02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:47,679
second question. Shane, you had sent an

3205
02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:49,199
email, I don't remember when that was.

3206
02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:52,400
You've sent a lot. Um, it was like a

3207
02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:54,560
week and a half ago, two weeks ago

3208
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:57,199
>> with some verbiage changed specifically.

3209
02:08:57,199 --> 02:08:59,599
I couldn't tell if any of those were

3210
02:08:59,599 --> 02:09:01,119
addressed. I I don't know if they have

3211
02:09:01,119 --> 02:09:03,040
been. Seth, you're shaking your head no.

3212
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:04,960
So, I'm assuming no, they haven't.

3213
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:08,239
>> Not yet. No, I think specifically we

3214
02:09:08,239 --> 02:09:10,159
where Sorry, I just put an Eminem in my

3215
02:09:10,159 --> 02:09:11,520
mouth.

3216
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:13,040
>> As you were shaking your head, no. So,

3217
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:13,440
perfect.

3218
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:15,280
>> Caught me.

3219
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:18,320
um where this is coming to you I think

3220
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:20,079
and from the staff's perspective it's

3221
02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:22,000
difficult to have the one-off

3222
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:25,760
conversation in an email but really

3223
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:27,119
appreciated that that was shared broadly

3224
02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:28,800
so I think from our perspective we're

3225
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:30,639
waiting for these conversations and just

3226
02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:32,719
we've noted them they're a part of it

3227
02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:36,400
but we'll take that from from the body

3228
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:40,400
>> this has been a difficult

3229
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:44,400
thing to comment on as it evolves right

3230
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:46,000
You're right. I have sent a couple of

3231
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,800
emails. Um, I appreciate the absolute

3232
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,639
silence from all of you on the comments

3233
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:54,719
that I've had. Um, but it's it's and I I

3234
02:09:54,719 --> 02:09:56,719
don't know that I expected any um

3235
02:09:56,719 --> 02:09:59,599
because it's Seth is right. It's a it

3236
02:09:59,599 --> 02:10:01,520
needs to be a broader conversation with

3237
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:04,320
us, but it's a 71page document and it's

3238
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:06,560
hard to have detailed conversations

3239
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:10,880
about every single page. So, um,

3240
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:13,199
my plan was to come tonight, listen to

3241
02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:15,520
folks, take the emails that we've

3242
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:18,159
gotten. Um, I'm surprised I don't have

3243
02:10:18,159 --> 02:10:20,159
them from one from the second Jackie

3244
02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:22,320
yet, but it might be coming.

3245
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:23,440
>> If it is,

3246
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:24,159
>> okay, perfect.

3247
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:25,119
>> Know until yesterday.

3248
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:26,400
>> Perfect. Um,

3249
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:29,440
>> city bill. I'm active with on the

3250
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:32,239
Facebook page. I gave city updates. I

3251
02:10:32,239 --> 02:10:33,760
have not heard much about this until

3252
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:38,639
yesterday. So I I appreciate the the the emails because it's it's hard to say

3253
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:41,199
what you need to say in three minutes um

3254
02:10:41,199 --> 02:10:42,800
or six minutes, whatever we give

3255
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:44,320
somebody. It's it's difficult.

3256
02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:46,480
>> It's floating up to 10 and 12 sometimes

3257
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:47,199
we continue.

3258
02:10:47,199 --> 02:10:49,679
>> Right. Right. And but I think what

3259
02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:51,840
what's important is you've come you've

3260
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:54,560
expressed it. Um Richard has an email to

3261
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:57,040
us that is is more detailed than what he

3262
02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:58,480
was able to say tonight too. And Jackie

3263
02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:00,000
is the same way. And so I think for me

3264
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:01,840
it's okay. I heard some things tonight.

3265
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:03,760
I need to internalize this a bit. read

3266
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:06,079
the emails a bit, get to the comments

3267
02:11:06,079 --> 02:11:08,079
that I addressed, and then sort of like

3268
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:11,199
how do we move forward though from where

3269
02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:12,719
we're at today to any comments that we

3270
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:14,079
want to put into the document. I think

3271
02:11:14,079 --> 02:11:17,760
is the to your point, Mike, is

3272
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:19,440
don't let the don't let perfect get in

3273
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:20,800
the way of good.

3274
02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:24,800
>> Um, but there are there are some things

3275
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:27,599
in here that we've heard tonight that we

3276
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:29,920
probably should debate, talk about. I

3277
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:31,280
don't know when and how to bring those

3278
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:33,840
up to be honest with you. Maybe you

3279
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:34,480
Jesse or

3280
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:37,199
>> my thought maybe is similar is because I

3281
02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:40,480
think there was very specific land use

3282
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,560
>> I don't want to say issues but um

3283
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:44,560
problems with different places and I

3284
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:47,440
think that it would be naive for me I'll

3285
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:49,599
speak for myself to say oh I know what

3286
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:50,880
you're talking about and we already have

3287
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:52,719
that figured out. I think we have to

3288
02:11:52,719 --> 02:11:54,800
look at those on those oneoff basis just

3289
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:56,400
like we would do with any other general

3290
02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:59,520
plan change. Um, but with it being so

3291
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:03,040
vast, it's hard to say in one meeting

3292
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:04,239
that we're going to be able to address

3293
02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:06,400
those or even address them at all in

3294
02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:08,320
some ways. So, my thought would be

3295
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:09,920
similar to yours, I guess, Shane, is to

3296
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:11,199
take all of the inputs that we're

3297
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:12,480
hearing, the emails, the different

3298
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:15,599
things, come back and say or even on the

3299
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:17,199
one-offs, talk with city staff, say,

3300
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:18,560
"Hey, this is what I'm thinking about

3301
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:20,079
that." They can kind of get where that's

3302
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:22,320
at, bring it back here, and then we say,

3303
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:24,480
"Let's debate it again." And then then

3304
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:25,840
hopefully we're to a point where we can

3305
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:27,119
approve something or move something

3306
02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:29,199
forward because I think

3307
02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:31,360
>> there are so many things in this

3308
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:33,599
document that are good that are headed

3309
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:34,400
the right way.

3310
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:34,719
>> Sure.

3311
02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:36,079
>> There are probably those ones and twos

3312
02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:37,520
that we need to fix and they're going to

3313
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:39,360
continue to happen. But I think that

3314
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:40,880
when we have land owners coming to us

3315
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:42,159
and saying, "Hey, this is something you

3316
02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:44,000
need to look at." I think it would

3317
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:45,760
behoove us to take that time to look at

3318
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:46,480
it. I

3319
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:48,079
>> think it's good to recognize as well

3320
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:49,920
that this has been a process. We've been

3321
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:52,000
looking at this for a very long time.

3322
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:53,679
We're not done yet.

3323
02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:56,000
No matter what we end up with, we're not

3324
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:57,440
going to make everybody happy. We've

3325
02:12:57,440 --> 02:13:00,159
already had here tonight two separate

3326
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:02,159
individuals that want differing things

3327
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:03,599
with the area that they're talking

3328
02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:06,159
about. So, if we do one for one person,

3329
02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:08,000
it's going to upset another person.

3330
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:10,239
We're never going to be able to to get a

3331
02:13:10,239 --> 02:13:11,920
plan put together that will make

3332
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:19,119
everybody happy. As a council member, my goal or my purpose is to focus on the

3333
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:21,040
residents of Spanish Fork and do what's

3334
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:24,239
best for the community of Spanish Fork.

3335
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:27,520
And you know what what that ends up

3336
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:29,760
being, you know, we'll find out. We're

3337
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:31,199
still going to have some discussions,

3338
02:13:31,199 --> 02:13:33,360
but either way either way you look at

3339
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:35,440
it, no matter what we end up with at the

3340
02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:38,239
end, um it's not going to make everybody

3341
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:40,639
happy. We could say, "Let's scratch the

3342
02:13:40,639 --> 02:13:44,239
whole thing, not not vote on it at all,

3343
02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:46,719
just deny it and and leave the plan

3344
02:13:46,719 --> 02:13:48,960
that's there right now." That's not

3345
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:50,880
going to make people happy. And so, no

3346
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:54,560
matter what we do, um, we try and try

3347
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:57,360
and make the best plan for the benefit

3348
02:13:57,360 --> 02:14:01,280
of the whole of Spanish Fork City.

3349
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:02,880
Yeah, I would say welcome to planning,

3350
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:08,560
welcome to, you know, welcome to time in in public service is what we hear

3351
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:12,079
from from uh public hearing on a again a

3352
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:14,960
general plan. So,

3353
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:17,840
make sure to note the the general uh

3354
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:22,239
nature of a plan is uh one landowner

3355
02:14:22,239 --> 02:14:25,119
getting up and saying, "I'd like this to

3356
02:14:25,119 --> 02:14:28,480
be downzone to to just very low low

3357
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:31,840
density." And the three comments later,

3358
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:34,320
I'd like it to be upzoned uh in a

3359
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:37,040
different geographical section of of the

3360
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:40,800
city uh for for purposes that are

3361
02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:44,079
completely reasonable for for for their

3362
02:14:44,079 --> 02:14:47,199
property or or or their outlook or or

3363
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:52,719
what uh what it may be. Um, again,

3364
02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:54,560
council, I would say, and three of you

3365
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:56,400
have been commissioners before, council

3366
02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:58,960
members, I'd say maybe that's a decent

3367
02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:00,079
sign that you've struck the right

3368
02:15:00,079 --> 02:15:02,000
balance, is everybody that comes is mad

3369
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:03,920
about what you're what we're what we're

3370
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:07,760
talking about. Um, it it it hasn't been

3371
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:10,320
uh one-off decisions. It has been it has

3372
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:14,239
been uh the the studies of of again

3373
02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:16,400
listening to people and and and and

3374
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:19,040
saying things. I I I'll say this about

3375
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:21,920
because it's uh it's discussed when

3376
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:23,280
you're talking about general plans is

3377
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:24,560
the agriculture nature and the

3378
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:25,920
agriculture heritage. You've already

3379
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:29,040
seen it tonight that boy, how how has it

3380
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:31,520
lasted a hundred years in a in a stock

3381
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:32,880
show and how's it going to last the next

3382
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:35,599
hundred years? Well, it's it's going to

3383
02:15:35,599 --> 02:15:39,920
um and and I don't believe that there's

3384
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:44,079
a landowner, in here that regardless of

3385
02:15:44,079 --> 02:15:47,360
the protection, they want to do their

3386
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:49,199
own thing,

3387
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:51,679
wants to control

3388
02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:54,320
what happens across the fence line from

3389
02:15:54,320 --> 02:15:57,280
them. I I hope I'm hearing that

3390
02:15:57,280 --> 02:15:59,679
correctly because as the elected

3391
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:03,440
official, I think it's unwise

3392
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:07,360
that we say, "Well, this is protected."

3393
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:09,119
And the way we need to afford

3394
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:12,159
protections for this business, this

3395
02:16:12,159 --> 02:16:15,360
economically viable and heritage-based

3396
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:18,159
business to continue is to not have

3397
02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:20,880
anybody else do anything around it. That

3398
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:23,280
is not the heritage of Spanish Fork and

3399
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:25,599
that's not the progress of Spanish Fork

3400
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:27,440
like the picture I showed you, but like

3401
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:29,280
many pictures you could take around this

3402
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:31,119
community.

3403
02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:34,240
Those those those uses have been

3404
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:36,399
compatible for decades and decades. And

3405
02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:38,719
that's where I'm getting at. What has

3406
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:41,280
been what has been has happened

3407
02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:44,399
successfully and and will continue to be

3408
02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:48,160
successful uh w with good planning. Does

3409
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:50,319
that mean there could be some extra

3410
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:54,399
traffic on roads in front of farms? Yep,

3411
02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:58,160
it does. That that happens. Um,

3412
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:00,800
you know, um, that's already the case. I

3413
02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:04,240
can tell you there's agurism places

3414
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:07,679
where my quick way to get to the the

3415
02:17:07,679 --> 02:17:09,200
freeway

3416
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,200
is not very quick in September and

3417
02:17:11,200 --> 02:17:13,359
October because there's people headed to

3418
02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:15,679
the same place to to get their pumpkins

3419
02:17:15,679 --> 02:17:18,719
and and and and go on the the hay rides

3420
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:22,399
and stuff. Um so so that's an element

3421
02:17:22,399 --> 02:17:24,319
that of this plan that that is going to

3422
02:17:24,319 --> 02:17:26,719
move. Um I I think that's the one

3423
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:28,479
overarching

3424
02:17:28,479 --> 02:17:30,559
admonition or or direction I'd give the

3425
02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:34,000
council is as we discuss and debate this

3426
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:36,160
um continuing and now we've had a public

3427
02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:38,559
hearing and I count I don't know about

3428
02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:40,080
seven or eight you know people that have

3429
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:43,840
come here that does pale into Lynn you

3430
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:45,760
can you and I can talk after why didn't

3431
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:46,960
you get up when we had the public

3432
02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:48,800
hearing my goodness we have a public

3433
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:50,479
hearing coming up on disposition of

3434
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:52,479
surplus land you could get up on on that

3435
02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:55,359
next

3436
02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:56,719
I don't care what he says when he gets

3437
02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:59,200
up here, but uh but but we're going to

3438
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:01,439
have a public hearing. We got one left.

3439
02:18:01,439 --> 02:18:04,800
Um but uh but but I will tell you again,

3440
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:06,559
my admonition

3441
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:10,880
um is that uh we are a heritage where no

3442
02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:13,920
one if they are making the case they

3443
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:16,399
should rethink it

3444
02:18:16,399 --> 02:18:19,599
about trying to control someone's ground

3445
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:21,439
to do something different next to them.

3446
02:18:21,439 --> 02:18:24,399
one of our oldest uh oldest council

3447
02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:26,559
members that was here when we first cut

3448
02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:30,319
the ribbon in this space um came and

3449
02:18:30,319 --> 02:18:31,840
spoke to us and I don't know how many

3450
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:34,639
were here or not but you know when a

3451
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:36,080
development was happening across the

3452
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:39,679
fence from him uh he said well I've got

3453
02:18:39,679 --> 02:18:41,519
rights on my side of the fence and they

3454
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:43,040
have rights on on their side of the

3455
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:45,040
fence and I think we need to make sure

3456
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:47,359
we're respecting that and and honoring

3457
02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:49,200
that because that's the heritage that

3458
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:52,639
this document continues to uh to to

3459
02:18:52,639 --> 02:18:55,679
protect and foster frankly uh as an

3460
02:18:55,679 --> 02:18:57,519
update like you like you mentioned

3461
02:18:57,519 --> 02:18:58,800
Councilman Norther. I think that's an

3462
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:00,880
important part too. It's an update of a

3463
02:19:00,880 --> 02:19:03,439
plan that's been here for a long long

3464
02:19:03,439 --> 02:19:06,399
time and we'll have another update

3465
02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:11,200
within another decade too. So uh

3466
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:12,639
I don't know if I had a question at the

3467
02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:14,719
end of that or just the comments of it.

3468
02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:16,319
Councilwoman Beck,

3469
02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:18,240
>> do you have anything? I think it sounds

3470
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,240
to me like we want to table this and

3471
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:23,040
think more about it. For how long do

3472
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,519
does staff need to know? Do we want to

3473
02:19:25,519 --> 02:19:27,280
come back in two weeks when Seth Parin

3474
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:29,840
is not here? No, we want him here. So, I

3475
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:32,160
think we'd have to go into May. Another

3476
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:34,800
question I'd have with Lad. He's ready

3477
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:38,080
to go to DRC. Does he just stall

3478
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:39,920
everything or does he just keep moving?

3479
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:41,200
>> We have a general plan in front of us

3480
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:41,920
right now. Go.

3481
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:44,319
>> Okay, keep going then. Lad, is that fair

3482
02:19:44,319 --> 02:19:46,399
direction for you right now?

3483
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:47,599
>> He's getting

3484
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:50,560
Yes, I won't

3485
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:52,319
develop at the DRC.

3486
02:19:52,319 --> 02:19:52,640
>> Okay.

3487
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:56,560
>> I would suspect that Yeah, they would go

3488
02:19:56,560 --> 02:19:57,040
out.

3489
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:58,319
>> Perfect.

3490
02:19:58,319 --> 02:20:01,280
>> The land use map that we had when we

3491
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:02,800
joined our partnership.

3492
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:03,760
>> Great. I just wanted

3493
02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:05,439
>> Yeah, I would still expect them to go.

3494
02:20:05,439 --> 02:20:06,720
>> No different than what they've done in

3495
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:07,439
the past.

3496
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:08,960
>> Okay. I just wanted to make that clear

3497
02:20:08,960 --> 02:20:10,960
if we're going to table this for a month

3498
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:12,399
that you guys don't feel like you can't

3499
02:20:12,399 --> 02:20:15,920
do anything. So, keep moving forward.

3500
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:18,720
Okay,

3501
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,080
>> manager, you look like you're grabbing

3502
02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:20,800
the mic before

3503
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:21,840
>> I've got a couple of things I want to

3504
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:23,840
say, but I don't want to

3505
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:25,120
>> taint the jury pool.

3506
02:20:25,120 --> 02:20:26,479
>> Well, I don't want to mute anything that

3507
02:20:26,479 --> 02:20:29,120
anybody's got. So, yeah, keep talking

3508
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:30,080
and then um

3509
02:20:30,080 --> 02:20:34,399
>> I want to sum up a few thoughts. So to Jesse's point

3510
02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:36,800
going back listening or sort of

3511
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:39,359
internalizing this what I'm planning to

3512
02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:42,960
do is and you all staff here are the

3513
02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:45,040
five things that I want to talk about in

3514
02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:48,399
public at the next meeting to debate and

3515
02:20:48,399 --> 02:20:50,960
get some resolution on so that it's not

3516
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:53,840
here's 25 comments from Shenanigan.

3517
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:56,160
That's not working right.

3518
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:57,120
>> Still you're gonna

3519
02:20:57,120 --> 02:20:58,800
>> you didn't read them. Give me that.

3520
02:20:58,800 --> 02:20:59,359
>> You're going to have them.

3521
02:20:59,359 --> 02:21:01,600
>> No, it's totally fine. Um, Seth and I

3522
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:03,120
sat down in span.

3523
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:04,640
>> I don't know, there was 80 comments on

3524
02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:07,200
the first round. Seth and I sat down. We

3525
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:09,040
walked through most of them. Um, we

3526
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:11,280
disagreed on some, we agreed on some,

3527
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:13,760
but now is the time to be like, okay,

3528
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:14,960
here's the things that I want to talk

3529
02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:16,800
about in front of the public with you

3530
02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:18,880
all and I'm just going to list them out,

3531
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:19,200
>> right?

3532
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:20,000
>> Then Sounds great.

3533
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:20,640
>> Is that okay?

3534
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:21,840
>> But I think it's fair to say like

3535
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:22,960
>> I think it would be good for all of us

3536
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:24,240
to say this is what I'm missing

3537
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:25,920
>> from March 24th, which was the last

3538
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:27,439
update, right? Till anything that we're

3539
02:21:27,439 --> 02:21:28,800
going to change. I think that we should

3540
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:30,319
have like a conversation about like

3541
02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:31,600
because we're saying we had a public

3542
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:32,880
hearing on this document. Here are the

3543
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:34,160
changes we've made since that date.

3544
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:34,880
>> Yep.

3545
02:21:34,880 --> 02:21:38,160
>> I Yeah. I would almost recommend or

3546
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,960
suggest that I think the email is good.

3547
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:42,560
I think it'd be good to go in and sit

3548
02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:44,319
down with staff, sit down with Dave and

3549
02:21:44,319 --> 02:21:47,359
his office and and hash out your

3550
02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:51,680
thoughts and your ideas with him. Um,

3551
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:54,399
maybe have Dave be the one that runs

3552
02:21:54,399 --> 02:21:56,880
that discussion next time next time it

3553
02:21:56,880 --> 02:21:58,880
comes up.

3554
02:21:58,880 --> 02:22:01,280
>> I if I that makes me really

3555
02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:02,240
uncomfortable. I think that probably

3556
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:06,000
makes Dave really uncomfortable. Um, I

3557
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:07,520
here's what I was going to say and maybe

3558
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:12,319
this will change the the direction. I

3559
02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:16,560
don't know what your issues are that you

3560
02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:18,080
want to talk about. Shane suggested, you

3561
02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:19,200
know, maybe five things and that number

3562
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:20,640
is probably not the exact number, but

3563
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:23,520
he's got a couple of items. From what I

3564
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:25,359
can gather based on the conversations

3565
02:22:25,359 --> 02:22:27,359
tonight, at least from the public that

3566
02:22:27,359 --> 02:22:29,280
was here and expressed their thoughts

3567
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:32,800
about it, there were really four, five

3568
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:34,960
areas, but I'm going to actually boil

3569
02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:37,760
them down to three. The Leland area

3570
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:40,880
generally um and I mean that's all over

3571
02:22:40,880 --> 02:22:43,840
the place, right? I don't want medium

3572
02:22:43,840 --> 02:22:45,760
density residential. I want medium

3573
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:47,200
density residential. So, the Leland

3574
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:48,479
area, at least from comments from the

3575
02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:49,680
public here,

3576
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:51,040
>> I don't think I heard anyone say, "I

3577
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:52,479
want medium density."

3578
02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:53,920
>> Well, I guess you had you had the

3579
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:55,200
Elevate Group saying they wanted

3580
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:55,840
housing.

3581
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:57,280
>> Yeah, they want housing, not commercial.

3582
02:22:57,280 --> 02:23:00,160
>> The housing in that in that area. Sorry.

3583
02:23:00,160 --> 02:23:03,439
Um, and then you have the 1050 West area

3584
02:23:03,439 --> 02:23:05,760
and that concept of the growth boundary.

3585
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:07,840
Um, and do you want to consider that? Do

3586
02:23:07,840 --> 02:23:09,600
you want to consider the the Stevens

3587
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:11,280
area?

3588
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:12,640
You got the Canyon Creek Parkway

3589
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:14,160
corridor. Those were the three areas

3590
02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:15,760
that were talked about. And then there's

3591
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:19,760
one kind of area that that uh Miss Smith

3592
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:22,720
talked about that

3593
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:25,120
I'm I don't mean to be I certainly don't

3594
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:26,960
want to inflame with what I'm about to

3595
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:28,960
say, but as I was looking at the old

3596
02:23:28,960 --> 02:23:30,560
general plan and I'm looking at the new

3597
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:32,479
general plan, there's absolutely no

3598
02:23:32,479 --> 02:23:33,359
change

3599
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:35,200
>> between what was the general plan and

3600
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:37,200
what is the current proposal of the

3601
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:40,640
general plan. So, I actually don't see a

3602
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:44,469
whole lot of

3603
02:23:44,479 --> 02:23:46,240
room to talk about that. We we aren't

3604
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:47,840
proposing to do anything different in

3605
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:49,520
the proposal that's in front of you

3606
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:51,760
today with what has been the general

3607
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:54,160
plan for the last 10 years. So, I don't

3608
02:23:54,160 --> 02:23:56,319
know what more to suggest talking about

3609
02:23:56,319 --> 02:23:58,800
with that one. Sounds like she has some

3610
02:23:58,800 --> 02:24:00,960
concerns, I guess. But, but in terms of

3611
02:24:00,960 --> 02:24:02,720
what was proposed, there isn't a

3612
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:04,720
difference. There's not a delta between

3613
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:08,000
yesterday and today. So, so three main

3614
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:09,840
areas that that at least are being

3615
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:12,560
suggested by those here that we should

3616
02:24:12,560 --> 02:24:14,319
that they would like you to talk about

3617
02:24:14,319 --> 02:24:16,479
more. I'm not saying that's what you

3618
02:24:16,479 --> 02:24:17,600
want to talk about, but those are the

3619
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:19,359
three kind of the three general areas

3620
02:24:19,359 --> 02:24:20,319
that I'm hearing.

3621
02:24:20,319 --> 02:24:22,880
>> Seth and Dave, real quick, while we're

3622
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:24,720
discussing Miss Smith, she brought up

3623
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:27,359
the concern or the question about TDRs.

3624
02:24:27,359 --> 02:24:28,960
Can we just maybe address that real

3625
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:30,960
quick? Is there anything in the new plan

3626
02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:33,120
that discusses or talks about TDRs?

3627
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:34,560
Yeah, the new plan, if you look at the

3628
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:36,319
goals and objectives section, it talks

3629
02:24:36,319 --> 02:24:38,080
about in the back that you could

3630
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:40,080
possibly use the tool of TDR. And I

3631
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:42,160
think that's the only mention of it of

3632
02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:43,120
TDRs.

3633
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:45,200
>> But have we actually

3634
02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:48,080
>> approved any kind of TDR policy? So

3635
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:50,640
there's nothing on the books that we

3636
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:51,920
could even do with TDRs?

3637
02:24:51,920 --> 02:24:53,600
>> Nope. You had the public hearing and

3638
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:56,000
then you you've not acted on that since.

3639
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:58,240
>> Can you also confirm their property up

3640
02:24:58,240 --> 02:25:01,600
on the ridge? Is that different in I

3641
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:03,520
think it's a state density

3642
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:04,080
>> now?

3643
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:05,439
>> It's not different than what the current

3644
02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:08,720
general plan says and and that's what is

3645
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:14,720
to the west of it um on the not the Fred

3646
02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:17,439
Vincent farm but the Dean Vincent. Yeah.

3647
02:25:17,439 --> 02:25:19,920
The Dean Vincent property that's estate

3648
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:21,439
density that's within the estate

3649
02:25:21,439 --> 02:25:23,439
density. And then what's on the high sky

3650
02:25:23,439 --> 02:25:25,760
estates to the east of it is also in

3651
02:25:25,760 --> 02:25:28,479
that same category. So that whole ridge

3652
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:30,319
that whole space if you will from let's

3653
02:25:30,319 --> 02:25:32,080
call it 1900 south

3654
02:25:32,080 --> 02:25:32,880
>> right

3655
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:35,920
>> and from yeah 1900 south on the north

3656
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:38,880
end of it 1700 east on the west end of

3657
02:25:38,880 --> 02:25:40,479
it and then the brow of the hill all the

3658
02:25:40,479 --> 02:25:42,560
way up to Spanish oaks elementary

3659
02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:44,399
>> it's all ed or

3660
02:25:44,399 --> 02:25:45,920
>> yeah in the general plan it says that

3661
02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:48,240
and in the in the land use designation

3662
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,680
that's what you've done okay so I it

3663
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:54,080
would be helpful I think for staff to

3664
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:56,399
really focus in and so

3665
02:25:56,399 --> 02:25:58,319
Well, and I I think I'm happy to to stay

3666
02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:01,200
after and talk to anyone that would like

3667
02:26:01,200 --> 02:26:03,680
to talk, but just to get some clarity, I

3668
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:05,520
think the two separate pieces of land

3669
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:07,840
when you start going off into the river

3670
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:08,479
bottoms

3671
02:26:08,479 --> 02:26:11,280
>> different where maybe our general plan

3672
02:26:11,280 --> 02:26:12,960
is discussing, hey, if that was ever to

3673
02:26:12,960 --> 02:26:15,120
come into the city, it's not inside the

3674
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:17,120
city. If that was to ever come into the

3675
02:26:17,120 --> 02:26:20,319
city, then that general plan might be a

3676
02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:22,560
home per 40 acres or something or

3677
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:26,080
whatever Miss Smith said where currently

3678
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:26,960
in the

3679
02:26:26,960 --> 02:26:29,760
>> county it's a home every five acres with

3680
02:26:29,760 --> 02:26:32,560
enough frontage is is how it's you know

3681
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:34,720
is how the county probably has it. Happy

3682
02:26:34,720 --> 02:26:37,120
having to discuss that you know further

3683
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:39,200
and and and what that is but I think I

3684
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:39,840
think that's what

3685
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:41,680
>> Yeah. And I don't know that I don't know

3686
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:43,600
that the general plan would say it's one

3687
02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:46,160
in 40. I think one in five is probably

3688
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:47,680
within the purview of the I

3689
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:50,319
>> think for the a for the a zoning

3690
02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:53,840
>> a general plan. a general I think is 140

3691
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:56,240
>> general plan doesn't have any zoning

3692
02:26:56,240 --> 02:26:58,160
attached but if it were to

3693
02:26:58,160 --> 02:27:00,080
>> so if somebody

3694
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:01,680
say hey I want to come into the city

3695
02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:04,240
here's the zone I'm requesting is

3696
02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:06,319
probably more of

3697
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:09,840
>> uh at that time requesting I want a home

3698
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:12,720
for every five and a quarter like is

3699
02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:15,520
>> which raises the question then why a

3700
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:18,880
general plan if the plan eventually is

3701
02:27:18,880 --> 02:27:20,160
to do something different than the

3702
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:21,920
general plan Why general plan it a

3703
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:24,960
certain way? That would be my question.

3704
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:28,160
>> Well, I think in all in all seriousness,

3705
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:30,080
I think you're saying with the general

3706
02:27:30,080 --> 02:27:32,000
plan, you want to keep that

3707
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:32,960
agricultural.

3708
02:27:32,960 --> 02:27:33,280
>> Correct.

3709
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:33,920
>> And so if you're

3710
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:36,800
>> So to her point, why would you if you're

3711
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:38,640
wanting to develop your land if that's

3712
02:27:38,640 --> 02:27:41,040
the intent? Why would you come into the

3713
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:41,760
city?

3714
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:42,399
>> You wouldn't

3715
02:27:42,399 --> 02:27:45,120
>> knowing you're going to be zoned 1 to 40

3716
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:46,720
compared to staying in the county at 1

3717
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:47,200
to5.

3718
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:48,720
>> Yeah. And some people will want to come

3719
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:50,479
into the city so they can have access to

3720
02:27:50,479 --> 02:27:54,160
utilities and and

3721
02:27:54,160 --> 02:27:56,000
do something different than wells and

3722
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:56,640
septic systems

3723
02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:58,800
>> which maybe should be a point about

3724
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:01,200
again we're hopping around geographical

3725
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:02,960
areas but it's the areas that have been

3726
02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:07,439
discussed tonight. I mean again we've said this in planning before and

3727
02:28:07,439 --> 02:28:09,760
discussion of land owners that have come

3728
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:13,200
and requested things. The reason it has

3729
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:15,760
been requested in the Leland area as far

3730
02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:17,439
as stuff

3731
02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:19,439
is because infrastructure has been

3732
02:28:19,439 --> 02:28:22,720
installed. Uh people have sold property

3733
02:28:22,720 --> 02:28:26,080
to the city for lift stations for

3734
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:28,080
utilities.

3735
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:35,280
They didn't we didn't take it. It was it was sold for dollars and cents.

3736
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:40,479
And it wasn't sold because the idea was

3737
02:28:40,479 --> 02:28:43,600
a home on 50 acres down there to be on

3738
02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:45,920
our sew sewer system. It was it was

3739
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:49,359
because uh of the general plan of what

3740
02:28:49,359 --> 02:28:52,240
people were requesting to do. And so us

3741
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:53,439
as a city,

3742
02:28:53,439 --> 02:28:55,920
>> if you're if you're entertaining selling

3743
02:28:55,920 --> 02:28:57,680
some property for a sewer lift station,

3744
02:28:57,680 --> 02:28:59,600
the sewer could go that way.

3745
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:02,560
>> Uh and it was sold infrastructure,

3746
02:29:02,560 --> 02:29:04,800
millions of dollars of public money

3747
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:07,200
>> put down in that area. So, Seth, back to

3748
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:09,520
what you said earlier, if we as council

3749
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:12,720
have our thoughts that we want to put

3750
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:14,880
together rather than coming in in person

3751
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:16,720
and and discussing those, you would just

3752
02:29:16,720 --> 02:29:18,000
prefer an email.

3753
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:19,359
>> It would be great and it would be great

3754
02:29:19,359 --> 02:29:20,479
to do that here

3755
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:21,600
>> to do that

3756
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:23,200
>> just during the meeting, just save it

3757
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:24,560
and do it. I think for the sake of

3758
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:25,600
everybody like you

3759
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:27,200
>> it's you guys that need to talk through

3760
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:29,840
it and if you want if you have questions

3761
02:29:29,840 --> 02:29:31,680
for us to fill in the blanks or whatever

3762
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:33,359
if you want us to prepare in some way

3763
02:29:33,359 --> 02:29:38,240
like giving us some clarity about these areas are the areas I'm concerned

3764
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:41,200
about my guess is that 95% of the

3765
02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:43,200
document is good

3766
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:44,479
>> you know whatever that percent is but

3767
02:29:44,479 --> 02:29:45,920
I'm guessing it's high percentage and

3768
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:47,439
really you want to focus in on a couple

3769
02:29:47,439 --> 02:29:48,160
of areas

3770
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:50,000
>> so just share that with each other and

3771
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:52,160
come prepared in the next meeting to

3772
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:53,439
discuss

3773
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:55,439
Yeah. And then I probably would say I

3774
02:29:55,439 --> 02:29:57,680
don't think you will debate all of that

3775
02:29:57,680 --> 02:29:59,840
in one night. I think that's too much,

3776
02:29:59,840 --> 02:30:01,520
you know, and so it might be we're going

3777
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:03,680
to talk about these two at this council

3778
02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:04,640
meeting. We're going to talk about these

3779
02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:06,000
two at this council meeting. And it

3780
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:07,600
might take, you know, three or four

3781
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:10,560
council meetings. But I think if you if

3782
02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:13,760
you can identify what those are, we can

3783
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,960
then schedule out um for you on a

3784
02:30:16,960 --> 02:30:18,800
counsel and it can be easier more more

3785
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:20,399
manageable and you know you don't have

3786
02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:22,000
to go till midnight one night and

3787
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:22,640
>> Yeah. And I prefer

3788
02:30:22,640 --> 02:30:24,080
>> at 10 o'clock you're not you're not

3789
02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:25,280
useful anyways. Right.

3790
02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:26,399
>> Right. Yeah.

3791
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:27,200
>> Be honest with us.

3792
02:30:27,200 --> 02:30:28,479
>> You're not making good comments at 10

3793
02:30:28,479 --> 02:30:29,359
o'clock. Right.

3794
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:30,960
>> I think like you say I think it makes

3795
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:32,560
sense in this meeting not in work

3796
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:33,520
session.

3797
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:35,439
>> Oh yeah. I would not suggest in work

3798
02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:36,720
session. I think here's the better place

3799
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:37,040
for it.

3800
02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:37,840
>> Okay.

3801
02:30:37,840 --> 02:30:42,160
>> Yeah. That way there's u you know that

3802
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:44,479
the public is able to participate in the

3803
02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:45,920
hearing side of it. Right. The public

3804
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:48,479
hearing portion is done. Um that's

3805
02:30:48,479 --> 02:30:50,240
sometimes a question mark that I think

3806
02:30:50,240 --> 02:30:52,240
the public has of public hearing versus

3807
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:54,800
a public meeting and and to work

3808
02:30:54,800 --> 02:30:56,080
sessions are public but they're not

3809
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:58,319
always well attended and and for

3810
02:30:58,319 --> 02:31:00,160
logistical reasons we don't televise

3811
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:02,720
those. But having it here I think is the

3812
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:05,680
better better approach.

3813
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:08,080
>> Yeah. If you if you have anything other

3814
02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:10,960
than those three that I listed and if

3815
02:31:10,960 --> 02:31:13,040
those three aren't on your list, like

3816
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:14,640
give those to us and then we'll kind of

3817
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:16,800
plot those out. We'll try to create if

3818
02:31:16,800 --> 02:31:19,040
there's the ability to do one or more

3819
02:31:19,040 --> 02:31:20,560
than one topic, then we'll try to group

3820
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:23,359
a couple that are similar. If there's

3821
02:31:23,359 --> 02:31:25,520
one that we think is really meaty, then

3822
02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:28,399
we'll, you know, put it on its own. But

3823
02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:29,760
I think it'd be helpful.

3824
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:30,080
>> Yeah.

3825
02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:32,319
>> I'm curious with the council mayor

3826
02:31:32,319 --> 02:31:34,640
tonight. We discussed the general plan,

3827
02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:36,960
the land use, but didn't really discuss

3828
02:31:36,960 --> 02:31:39,120
anything about the growth policy

3829
02:31:39,120 --> 02:31:41,920
adjustment. Does anybody have comments

3830
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:43,920
or concerns about that that they want to

3831
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:46,319
bring up tonight?

3832
02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:49,040
>> At this point, they're so intertwined.

3833
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:52,160
It's one and the same. They are two

3834
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:54,880
specifically different legislative

3835
02:31:54,880 --> 02:31:57,200
actions we have to take for sure. But

3836
02:31:57,200 --> 02:31:59,520
the way we have tried to use it in this

3837
02:31:59,520 --> 02:32:01,760
general plan, it's

3838
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:03,840
sort of baked into it,

3839
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:04,800
>> right?

3840
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:06,560
>> Yeah. And I I think the question to be

3841
02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:07,280
independent

3842
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:08,560
>> tell me if I'm off, but I think the

3843
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:10,080
question that I was thinking about when

3844
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:11,760
Dave was mentioning it about some of the

3845
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:13,680
verbiage that gets intertwined and hey,

3846
02:32:13,680 --> 02:32:15,920
are we following this and stuff? I think

3847
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:18,080
of I don't own land but I would think if

3848
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:20,960
I'm the land owner and talking about

3849
02:32:20,960 --> 02:32:23,120
well I want I'm requesting to adjust the

3850
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:25,520
growth boundary and here's why and I'm

3851
02:32:25,520 --> 02:32:28,960
in APA but I don't know that I'm I don't

3852
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:31,760
know that I'm you know going to request

3853
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:34,960
to bring myself out of APA until I know

3854
02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:37,359
are you you know legislative body are

3855
02:32:37,359 --> 02:32:39,439
you going to adjust the growth boundary

3856
02:32:39,439 --> 02:32:41,600
because this this and this here's my

3857
02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:44,319
case and now I'm coming out of APA so

3858
02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:45,600
it's a little

3859
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:48,319
you know, cart horse conundrum there

3860
02:32:48,319 --> 02:32:50,720
that I I don't think if we just get

3861
02:32:50,720 --> 02:32:52,560
completely tripped up over the details

3862
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:54,160
of the language, it's not dealing in

3863
02:32:54,160 --> 02:32:56,800
reality of what those people that

3864
02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:58,319
actually own the land are probably

3865
02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:00,240
thinking in their head. They they they

3866
02:33:00,240 --> 02:33:01,439
probably don't want to come out until

3867
02:33:01,439 --> 02:33:03,359
it's adjusted the growth boundary,

3868
02:33:03,359 --> 02:33:03,840
right?

3869
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:06,560
>> Maybe not. And that's okay. My since

3870
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:09,439
we're talking about it anyways, I think

3871
02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:11,920
we need to be very clear and consistent

3872
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:13,840
with whatever it ends up being. I don't

3873
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:15,600
like

3874
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:18,560
hear hear a little and pick one and

3875
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:22,640
don't pick another and you know I think think whatever we decide on it

3876
02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:24,560
needs to be consistent and clear. Well,

3877
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:26,399
and then I think and then I'm when I'm

3878
02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:28,080
confusing myself with that, we are

3879
02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:30,960
talking about an APA. That's the county

3880
02:33:30,960 --> 02:33:31,760
APA.

3881
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:32,720
>> Correct.

3882
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:35,120
>> We have an APA inside the city. So,

3883
02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:36,319
let's not

3884
02:33:36,319 --> 02:33:36,800
>> Yeah.

3885
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:39,359
>> conflate the two. This is a this is a

3886
02:33:39,359 --> 02:33:41,200
county APA that, you know, somebody's

3887
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:42,880
typically asking to adjust the goat

3888
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:45,840
growth boundary where we've approved APA

3889
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:48,479
an APA inside of Spanish Fork, which is

3890
02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:49,280
a different

3891
02:33:49,280 --> 02:33:51,920
>> Yeah. And then we've annexed historic

3892
02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:54,479
we've annexed some pre-existing APAs as

3893
02:33:54,479 --> 02:33:54,640
well.

3894
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:54,880
>> Yeah.

3895
02:33:54,880 --> 02:33:56,640
So that's what the change is.

3896
02:33:56,640 --> 02:33:57,840
>> Yeah. And I think that's a serious

3897
02:33:57,840 --> 02:33:59,600
consideration that Dave suggested in his

3898
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:02,800
commentary at the beginning that that do

3899
02:34:02,800 --> 02:34:07,520
you do you want to annex

3900
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:10,720
properties that have APA and that's not

3901
02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:13,200
meant to be any kind of a we don't want

3902
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:14,720
to support a but if you aren't

3903
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:17,920
interested in having development do you

3904
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:19,760
as a city then want if a land owner is

3905
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:20,960
not interested in having development do

3906
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:22,319
you as a city want to annex them?

3907
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:23,359
>> Yeah. So that need

3908
02:34:23,359 --> 02:34:25,120
>> why would you annex somebody if they

3909
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:25,920
don't want to

3910
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:27,120
>> if they're not going to be within the

3911
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:28,560
growth boundary. Why would we

3912
02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:30,160
>> not looking to

3913
02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:31,439
>> that needs to be a big part of the

3914
02:34:31,439 --> 02:34:33,120
discussion as well?

3915
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:34,960
>> Yeah.

3916
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:37,200
>> I think I'll just reiterate Stacy's good

3917
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:41,200
point of uh you saw the one of the first

3918
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:43,680
screens that Dave brought up. I I

3919
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:47,120
remember the meeting of putting dots out

3920
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:49,040
and different things with the public. I

3921
02:34:49,040 --> 02:34:52,319
can't believe that's April 8th, 2024.

3922
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:56,240
So, it's a two years in a day. Uh let's

3923
02:34:56,240 --> 02:34:59,439
not do two years in a day to get back to

3924
02:34:59,439 --> 02:35:01,520
adoption of a general plan. You've got

3925
02:35:01,520 --> 02:35:04,000
people that are are requesting and and

3926
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:07,280
they do have as much invested here as as

3927
02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:09,760
far as themselves and their their family

3928
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:12,640
history and heritage that that we can we

3929
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:14,399
can discuss this, we can debate this,

3930
02:35:14,399 --> 02:35:16,319
continue in public and and the public

3931
02:35:16,319 --> 02:35:18,800
can continue engage with us and and and

3932
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:22,880
make your case as well. But um we're

3933
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:24,960
going to get this to a point here in

3934
02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:26,479
2026

3935
02:35:26,479 --> 02:35:31,520
uh and and the first part of 2026 that we can adopt a general plan and

3936
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:34,960
have some clarity uh moving forward with

3937
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:37,840
uh with then people requesting to amend

3938
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:40,080
it if they need to. So that that would

3939
02:35:40,080 --> 02:35:42,160
be my you know my admonition of the

3940
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:43,520
legislative body too.

3941
02:35:43,520 --> 02:35:46,240
>> I I agree with you, mayor. Um but in

3942
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:48,479
Lad's case, neither plan accommodates

3943
02:35:48,479 --> 02:35:50,560
them. So there's a general plan update

3944
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:52,240
to do what they want to do period.

3945
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:52,560
>> Yeah.

3946
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:54,000
>> So if we want to focus specifically

3947
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:55,680
there over the next couple weeks, we can

3948
02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:58,880
do that too. But neither plan currently

3949
02:35:58,880 --> 02:36:00,399
accommodates what they want to do. So

3950
02:36:00,399 --> 02:36:02,399
>> So they got to start amending now.

3951
02:36:02,399 --> 02:36:03,600
>> Exactly. Process.

3952
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:05,760
>> It's a it's a it's it's a different set

3953
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:06,160
of

3954
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:08,160
>> design something we love

3955
02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:11,920
>> and and maybe to that point, Councilman,

3956
02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:15,680
that probably is a good idea. It forces

3957
02:36:15,680 --> 02:36:18,160
us because somebody makes an application

3958
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:20,319
to put a spotlight in a microscope on

3959
02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:22,720
these parcels, right? My guess is that

3960
02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:23,760
we're going to be talking a little bit

3961
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:26,319
higher level. Maybe not, but but you're

3962
02:36:26,319 --> 02:36:28,080
going to be talking more policy and

3963
02:36:28,080 --> 02:36:30,399
broad than than you know parcel by

3964
02:36:30,399 --> 02:36:31,920
parcel in some of the things you want to

3965
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:34,640
review. If somebody wants to if somebody

3966
02:36:34,640 --> 02:36:38,160
wants to call the question, they can

3967
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:40,880
submit a general plan request change and

3968
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:44,160
they and then they have the due process

3969
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:46,080
associated with that. I think that's a

3970
02:36:46,080 --> 02:36:46,720
great idea.

3971
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:49,840
>> We're not we have a approved plan.

3972
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:52,000
>> Yeah. And and I think you you all know

3973
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:54,800
this, but we have in the last two years

3974
02:36:54,800 --> 02:36:56,479
processed I don't know how many, but

3975
02:36:56,479 --> 02:36:58,160
it's at least two, but maybe four or

3976
02:36:58,160 --> 02:36:59,200
five

3977
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:01,920
>> general plan changes

3978
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:04,800
outside of this general plan process,

3979
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:07,280
right? Some fairly significant because

3980
02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:08,640
somebody said, "I don't I can't wait for

3981
02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:09,920
that. I don't want to wait for that. I'm

3982
02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:11,760
going to put a spotlight on this and a

3983
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:13,520
microscope rather on this and and I want

3984
02:37:13,520 --> 02:37:15,600
you to focus on it." They fill out an

3985
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:16,640
application. and they go through that

3986
02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:20,399
pro that application and the the

3987
02:37:20,399 --> 02:37:23,359
structure of that that requires you to

3988
02:37:23,359 --> 02:37:25,600
give them the due process and I think

3989
02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:27,200
that's

3990
02:37:27,200 --> 02:37:30,080
the prerogative of any land owner

3991
02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:32,640
>> uh to to

3992
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:34,160
nudge you in that direction for them.

3993
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:38,000
>> Y agreed agreed. Well, as we move

3994
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:39,760
forward and discuss this these things,

3995
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:41,520
Richard, I would just ask you email

3996
02:37:41,520 --> 02:37:44,800
mayor and Councilman Marshall and I your

3997
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:46,319
thoughts and ideas, will you make sure

3998
02:37:46,319 --> 02:37:48,319
you send those to the other three as

3999
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:50,000
well so they can be looking over that as

4000
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:51,760
we're discussing them?

4001
02:37:51,760 --> 02:37:54,080
>> Okay. And staff,

4002
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:54,960
>> that'd be great.

4003
02:37:54,960 --> 02:37:56,560
>> Okay. Yeah, probably Dave and Seth.

4004
02:37:56,560 --> 02:38:02,000
Yeah. And then with Jackie Smith,

4005
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:04,319
do does are we gonna talk about what her

4006
02:38:04,319 --> 02:38:06,160
issues are or does she just need to have

4007
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:09,040
maybe a private conversation

4008
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:11,920
with staff about

4009
02:38:11,920 --> 02:38:14,080
not a lot of changes or

4010
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:16,399
>> Yeah, at the moment I don't know.

4011
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:17,200
>> Okay.

4012
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:19,520
>> Where the general plan is proposing to

4013
02:38:19,520 --> 02:38:21,439
not change at all there. I mean it

4014
02:38:21,439 --> 02:38:22,640
sounds like she has issues with the

4015
02:38:22,640 --> 02:38:23,280
general plan.

4016
02:38:23,280 --> 02:38:23,760
>> Okay.

4017
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:25,840
>> Right. Whether it's the old or the new.

4018
02:38:25,840 --> 02:38:29,520
Um, and if she wants to

4019
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:31,359
I that I think Shane's comment probably

4020
02:38:31,359 --> 02:38:33,040
applies there too. Like there's not

4021
02:38:33,040 --> 02:38:34,160
something that we're considering at the

4022
02:38:34,160 --> 02:38:36,080
moment that addresses the concerns that

4023
02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:37,760
she's expressing, right? Because both

4024
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:40,479
plan the old and the and the proposed.

4025
02:38:40,479 --> 02:38:42,080
>> Then those three to four things you

4026
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:43,520
mentioned, I'm comfortable moving

4027
02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:46,560
forward with having open discussions.

4028
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:50,000
But I think Jackie, if Smith, if if you

4029
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:53,680
want to clarify in writing to us,

4030
02:38:53,680 --> 02:38:55,680
whether it's the old plan or the new

4031
02:38:55,680 --> 02:38:58,479
plan, go ahead and do that.

4032
02:38:58,479 --> 02:39:00,479
>> Absolutely.

4033
02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:01,760
Just because we haven't changed

4034
02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:03,520
something does not mean you don't have

4035
02:39:03,520 --> 02:39:06,720
an issue with it. So look through it

4036
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:08,640
again.

4037
02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:10,960
Let us again. It's hard to do it in six

4038
02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:13,120
minutes. So if you want to clarify

4039
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:15,680
stuff, please do.

4040
02:39:15,680 --> 02:39:19,990
Four other people in the room have.

4041
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:22,640
» Perfect. Um

4042
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:25,439
questions or comments up here? It sounds

4043
02:39:25,439 --> 02:39:27,920
like somebody was some maybe putting

4044
02:39:27,920 --> 02:39:30,240
together a motion. Uh we've had the

4045
02:39:30,240 --> 02:39:33,520
public hearing on A and B and we can uh

4046
02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:35,680
motion to I believe we need one.

4047
02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:37,280
>> Do we need a motion? You don't have to

4048
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:38,560
anything. Just

4049
02:39:38,560 --> 02:39:40,319
>> you satisfied the requirement of of

4050
02:39:40,319 --> 02:39:42,560
holding a public hearing and and no

4051
02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:44,160
action is required. You're going to you

4052
02:39:44,160 --> 02:39:45,359
don't need to table anything. You're

4053
02:39:45,359 --> 02:39:46,880
just going to keep working on it.

4054
02:39:46,880 --> 02:39:49,439
>> Okay, perfect.

4055
02:39:49,439 --> 02:39:50,720
>> For 18 months.

4056
02:39:50,720 --> 02:39:51,840
>> No, not for 18 months.

4057
02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:54,560
>> I think a motion of time certain

4058
02:39:54,560 --> 02:39:56,399
decision is probably good based on what

4059
02:39:56,399 --> 02:39:57,040
he just said.

4060
02:39:57,040 --> 02:39:58,960
>> I kind of verbalized that motion.

4061
02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:00,720
>> Well, you can't make one.

4062
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:03,920
>> We'll move on.

4063
02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:05,520
>> Thank you everybody for coming. Thanks

4064
02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:08,399
for keep keep an eye on uh you know uh

4065
02:40:08,399 --> 02:40:10,880
it's the most exciting Tuesday nights uh

4066
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:14,080
ever is is city council meetings and uh

4067
02:40:14,080 --> 02:40:15,600
Wednesday night's planning commission

4068
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:17,680
but this will be continue to be

4069
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:21,600
discussed uh and uh and you can you can

4070
02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:24,080
make your um you know your your points

4071
02:40:24,080 --> 02:40:26,720
to us obviously we're all available via

4072
02:40:26,720 --> 02:40:29,600
text and email and and staff as well. So

4073
02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:31,120
thank you all for for the public hearing

4074
02:40:31,120 --> 02:40:34,560
tonight. Um, item C is a public hearing,

4075
02:40:34,560 --> 02:40:38,800
too. Um, Mr. Swinson was here, probably

4076
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:41,200
not gonna talk about that item, but I

4077
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:42,720
might invite him up when we go to public

4078
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:44,000
hearing. Who's talking about the

4079
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:47,830
disposition?

4080
02:40:47,840 --> 02:40:55,429
» Okay, talk then. Okay, perfect.

4081
02:40:55,439 --> 02:40:58,479
Um, item C is the disposition of surplus

4082
02:40:58,479 --> 02:41:01,280
land located at 1172 South Bradford

4083
02:41:01,280 --> 02:41:01,760
Lane.

4084
02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:03,920
>> Oh, yeah. I'll leave it. Huh? Uhhuh.

4085
02:41:03,920 --> 02:41:06,240
>> Only It's only one more item, guys, and

4086
02:41:06,240 --> 02:41:08,240
then we go to close session.

4087
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:12,399
>> This is the last item. Exciting stuff.

4088
02:41:12,399 --> 02:41:13,359
>> Mr. Von Pel,

4089
02:41:13,359 --> 02:41:15,280
>> don't take it personal, Von.

4090
02:41:15,280 --> 02:41:17,200
>> No, that's I mean, just because you

4091
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:19,600
stood up, everyone left. Don't take it

4092
02:41:19,600 --> 02:41:20,240
personal.

4093
02:41:20,240 --> 02:41:23,280
>> Attorney effect.

4094
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:25,280
Do you have any graphics?

4095
02:41:25,280 --> 02:41:27,840
>> Uh, I can. Sure.

4096
02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:29,200
>> Let me see if I can share that. I

4097
02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:30,960
apologize.

4098
02:41:30,960 --> 02:41:32,560
>> What do you mean you can? Either you do

4099
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:33,359
or you don't.

4100
02:41:33,359 --> 02:41:35,120
>> Just pull up a map.

4101
02:41:35,120 --> 02:41:36,160
>> It's in the

4102
02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:37,840
>> Make sure you zoom way out though.

4103
02:41:37,840 --> 02:41:38,880
>> I know where we are.

4104
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:41,439
>> Yeah, it's in the Yeah. Okay.

4105
02:41:41,439 --> 02:41:43,359
>> It's on the agenda. There's an exhibit

4106
02:41:43,359 --> 02:41:44,640
that shows

4107
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:45,120
>> Yep.

4108
02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:48,960
>> the area that's being disposed of.

4109
02:41:48,960 --> 02:41:51,520
Anyway, this uh this property was

4110
02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:53,280
acquired by the city through some MAG

4111
02:41:53,280 --> 02:41:57,200
funding to for the 300 East corridor. Um

4112
02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:58,720
we only need a portion of the property

4113
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:00,880
for a roadway development for both

4114
02:42:00,880 --> 02:42:02,720
Volunteer Drive and then the Bradford

4115
02:42:02,720 --> 02:42:05,840
Lane intersection. Um so there's

4116
02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:09,600
approximately an acre and 1.45 acres

4117
02:42:09,600 --> 02:42:12,000
that is surplus and can be disposed of.

4118
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:13,920
The proceeds of that sale would then be

4119
02:42:13,920 --> 02:42:15,359
returned to MAG since that was the

4120
02:42:15,359 --> 02:42:19,120
source of the funds to begin with. Um,

4121
02:42:19,120 --> 02:42:19,920
>> in the right spot.

4122
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:21,520
>> Yep, you're right in the right spot.

4123
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:23,520
There at the intersection of River

4124
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:26,160
Bottoms Road and and Bradford Lane.

4125
02:42:26,160 --> 02:42:29,120
>> That property that says 1172 on the

4126
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:29,840
house

4127
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:30,960
>> logo to me.

4128
02:42:30,960 --> 02:42:32,800
>> That piece of property.

4129
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:34,240
>> Which one?

4130
02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:36,319
>> 1172 down below.

4131
02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:39,990
>> Just Just

4132
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:43,910
click it.

4133
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:46,319
» That's it.

4134
02:42:46,319 --> 02:42:49,200
>> Um, Yeah, in your in your agenda packet,

4135
02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:55,760
there's a a graphic that's showing the property to be disposed of and also

4136
02:42:55,760 --> 02:42:59,680
um the notice that was posted for the

4137
02:42:59,680 --> 02:43:01,840
property,

4138
02:43:01,840 --> 02:43:03,359
>> they go back on the market just for

4139
02:43:03,359 --> 02:43:04,800
whoever to buy

4140
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:05,120
>> um

4141
02:43:05,120 --> 02:43:06,160
>> take bids.

4142
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:08,160
>> Yeah, anybody could make a bid on it.

4143
02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:10,319
Yeah, for sure.

4144
02:43:10,319 --> 02:43:12,000
>> Questions. We talked about this in a

4145
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:13,920
previous council meeting, but questions

4146
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:16,080
for Vaughn before public hearing about

4147
02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:17,439
this.

4148
02:43:17,439 --> 02:43:18,960
>> I'd entertain a motion to go in a public

4149
02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:21,439
hearing for item C.

4150
02:43:21,439 --> 02:43:22,080
>> So moved.

4151
02:43:22,080 --> 02:43:24,240
>> Motion made by Councilman Marshall.

4152
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:24,720
>> Second.

4153
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:26,640
by Councilman Oiler. All in favor

4154
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:27,200
say yes.

4155
02:43:27,200 --> 02:43:28,000
>> Yes.

4156
02:43:28,000 --> 02:43:30,240
>> Public hearing for item C. Surplus land

4157
02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:32,880
at 1172 South Bratford Lane. Anybody

4158
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:34,960
want to talk to that?

4159
02:43:34,960 --> 02:43:36,000
>> Don't all stand up.

4160
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:39,120
>> Going once, twice.

4161
02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:40,960
auction out of public hearing.

4162
02:43:40,960 --> 02:43:43,200
>> Motion made by Councilman Marshall.

4163
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:43,520
>> Second.

4164
02:43:43,520 --> 02:43:45,279
by Councilman Tuk. All in favor

4165
02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:46,000
say yes.

4166
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:46,560
>> Yes.

4167
02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:48,160
>> Discussion back up here. Does anybody

4168
02:43:48,160 --> 02:43:51,359
have any reason why we should hold on to

4169
02:43:51,359 --> 02:43:54,240
surplus property except sell it and get

4170
02:43:54,240 --> 02:43:55,359
the public's money back?

4171
02:43:55,359 --> 02:43:58,080
>> Yeah, let's sell it.

4172
02:43:58,080 --> 02:44:00,319
>> I would entertain a motion for item C.

4173
02:44:00,319 --> 02:44:01,520
>> There's no motion.

4174
02:44:01,520 --> 02:44:03,120
>> Oh, there's not. Just a public hearing.

4175
02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:04,800
>> Yeah, just public hearing tonight. We'll

4176
02:44:04,800 --> 02:44:06,399
bring back offer later.

4177
02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:07,040
>> Makes sense.

4178
02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:08,160
>> Get that. Boy, guys,

4179
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:09,680
>> we've had some discussions with some

4180
02:44:09,680 --> 02:44:12,160
property owners surrounding it to

4181
02:44:12,160 --> 02:44:15,760
potentially involve the land into their

4182
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:16,960
developments that are immediately

4183
02:44:16,960 --> 02:44:19,200
adjacent to it. Those discussions have

4184
02:44:19,200 --> 02:44:22,080
been productive and

4185
02:44:22,080 --> 02:44:23,520
>> but anyone can buy this.

4186
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:26,160
>> Anybody can anybody can buy it. Anybody

4187
02:44:26,160 --> 02:44:27,040
can put an offer on it.

4188
02:44:27,040 --> 02:44:27,600
>> Offer on it.

4189
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:28,960
>> Yeah.

4190
02:44:28,960 --> 02:44:31,680
>> You interested?

4191
02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:33,279
>> We have not had any interest from

4192
02:44:33,279 --> 02:44:35,840
anybody else. asking if Shane

4193
02:44:35,840 --> 02:44:37,840
He's asking

4194
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:38,479
if he's

4195
02:44:38,479 --> 02:44:40,000
>> he wants to make an offer on it, he can.

4196
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:41,279
We will excuse him from

4197
02:44:41,279 --> 02:44:43,200
>> some horse property or something. I do

4198
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:44,399
not.

4199
02:44:44,399 --> 02:44:46,000
>> Full disclosure, I was just curious.

4200
02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:46,960
>> He's just having fun.

4201
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:48,160
>> If someone could.

4202
02:44:48,160 --> 02:44:48,640
>> Yep.

4203
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:48,960
>> Okay.

4204
02:44:48,960 --> 02:44:51,760
>> Yep. You will be the body that sells it

4205
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:54,640
even though the funds go back to MAG. Uh

4206
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:56,160
the fund the property is in your name

4207
02:44:56,160 --> 02:44:58,479
and you're the steward of that. So, you

4208
02:44:58,479 --> 02:45:02,000
would you will at a at a future close

4209
02:45:02,000 --> 02:45:05,279
session review any offers, discuss the

4210
02:45:05,279 --> 02:45:06,800
possible uses of that land, and then

4211
02:45:06,800 --> 02:45:08,399
decide

4212
02:45:08,399 --> 02:45:10,960
uh from there what to do.

4213
02:45:10,960 --> 02:45:12,479
>> Perfect.

4214
02:45:12,479 --> 02:45:15,040
Questions on that?

4215
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:17,359
>> Makes sense. Thank you, council.

4216
02:45:17,359 --> 02:45:18,960
Anything that needs to come uh in front

4217
02:45:18,960 --> 02:45:20,479
of this body before we go into close

4218
02:45:20,479 --> 02:45:22,880
session for I believe land transaction.

4219
02:45:22,880 --> 02:45:25,359
Is that right? Nothing else I'd

4220
02:45:25,359 --> 02:45:27,120
entertain of staff. anything that you

4221
02:45:27,120 --> 02:45:29,600
need to get in front of council before

4222
02:45:29,600 --> 02:45:32,080
adjourning close session just to close

4223
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:32,479
session.

4224
02:45:32,479 --> 02:45:33,359
>> I'd entertain a motion.

4225
02:45:33,359 --> 02:45:35,200
>> I move to adjourn to close uh meeting

4226
02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:36,640
for a strategy session to discuss the

4227
02:45:36,640 --> 02:45:38,560
purchase exchange or release of real

4228
02:45:38,560 --> 02:45:40,080
property including any form of water

4229
02:45:40,080 --> 02:45:41,760
right or water shares to or discuss a

4230
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:43,520
proposed development agreement or propo

4231
02:45:43,520 --> 02:45:45,200
project proposal in the explorer room

4232
02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:48,240
provided by Utah code 52-4-205.

4233
02:45:48,240 --> 02:45:49,600
>> Well done. Second.

4234
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:53,359
>> That's why he is our Easter egg MC.

4235
02:45:53,359 --> 02:45:55,040
Thank you Councilman Carden. Motion to

4236
02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:56,720
Councilman Carden. Second by Councilman

4237
02:45:56,720 --> 02:45:58,960
Oiler. All in roll call vote to go into

4238
02:45:58,960 --> 02:46:00,399
close session. Councilman Tuk,

4239
02:46:00,399 --> 02:46:02,160
Councilman Carden, Councilman Oiler,

4240
02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:03,680
Councilwoman Beck, and Councilman

4241
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:04,080
Marshall.

4242
02:46:04,080 --> 02:46:04,319
>> Yes.

4243
02:46:04,319 --> 02:46:05,600
>> We're in close session. Thank you

4244
02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:07,120
everybody for joining us. Appreciate you

4245
02:46:07,120 --> 02:46:10,000
being here. forward. Thank you.