1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,120 Okay, Travis says we're ready to go. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,040 Thanks everybody for joining us in 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:05,760 Spanish Fork City Council meeting April 4 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,280 21st, 2026 5 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,680 here in our beautiful Council Chambers 6 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,440 connected to the library. We appreciate it. 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,320 What's the old mayor doing here? This is 8 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,480 not a This is starting off on the wrong 9 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:20,720 foot. 10 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:21,840 I like [clears throat] it in here. 11 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,280 >> old mayor, not former. 12 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,440 >> Well, the former [laughter] mayor. 13 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,160 Yeah, no, it's not an old mayor. Former 14 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,440 mayor. And 15 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,200 we also have a competing council member 16 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,880 in here from our sister city. So, 17 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,320 what to do? He might be on a 18 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,600 reconnaissance mission mission. What to 19 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,120 do? 20 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,720 Good to see everybody. Thanks for being 21 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,600 here in person and thanks everybody for 22 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,040 joining us online. We'll get started 23 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,480 like we always do here with a motivational message and prayer 24 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,480 followed by the pledge. I'm not sure who 25 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,560 has the pledge tonight. 26 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,800 I think I do. 27 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,480 Councilman Oyler has the pledge. We'll 28 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:56,480 give it to Councilman Took for his his 29 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,000 guest with the motivational thought and 30 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:58,280 prayer. 31 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 >> Okay. Thank you, Mayor. So, this evening 32 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,680 I've asked someone special to me, 33 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,000 someone who I've grown up with my entire 34 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,080 life. I'm sure all of you know this 35 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,640 individual, Coach David Boyack. He and 36 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,120 his wife Michelle, they I remember back 37 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,200 a couple years ago when I was in high 38 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,800 school and 39 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,760 you know, he encouraged me to get 40 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,160 involved with track. Probably doesn't 41 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,920 remember this. And I was kind of a 42 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,800 little bit hesitant. I 43 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,240 decided to try it. I didn't do it with 44 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,680 my full heart though, but I still went 45 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,520 to some of the events and tried and he 46 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,440 saw potential in me and even though that 47 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,120 wasn't a big success for me, I enjoyed 48 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,000 my time. But he's transformed the lives 49 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,840 of I don't know, many many probably 50 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,200 hundreds if not thousands of 51 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,520 kids that have gone through the school 52 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,480 system here in Spanish Fork. 53 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,640 His impact overall incredible. And so, I 54 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,880 just I'm really, you know, I feel 55 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,000 grateful to to have been a part of to go 56 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,200 through and his his, you know, his time 57 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,480 here in the city and his wife. I 58 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,160 remember teaching my friends drill team 59 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,480 and and dancing and all the things that 60 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,680 they just really impacted our community 61 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,080 in a great way and 62 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,720 I feel like they're truly pillars of 63 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,480 Spanish Fork City and so, I've asked um 64 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Dave, Coach Dave to come share a thought 65 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,280 and prayer in whatever order you'd like 66 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,000 tonight. Dave, thanks for taking a 67 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,399 couple minutes to come be with us and 68 00:02:09,399 --> 00:02:14,830 the floor is yours. 69 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,080 Yes. 70 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,360 Millions of people watching. You stand 71 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,880 Well, but they'll see it on television 72 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,040 and 73 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,280 You need to be right there. Yep. Yep. 74 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:26,920 Sorry, folks. Yeah. 75 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:28,520 They'll run out to get the front of 76 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,160 their TVs. Okay. So, uh 77 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,550 As Lance said, uh 78 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,030 I'm sorry. 79 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,200 I get a little emotional because of some 80 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,040 things that have happened 81 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,200 lately. 82 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,360 But he asked me to say a couple things 83 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,240 about service. 84 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,920 And uh 85 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:50,480 I and he and he said you can mention 86 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,440 Michelle, my wife, 87 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,320 and Stacy, you 88 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,200 one of our special ones. 89 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,680 But uh 90 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,000 service has been really important to our 91 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,080 family. 92 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,960 I feel like my wife and I, she was a 93 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,200 teacher at Spanish Fork High for almost 94 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,600 30 years. I I was a track coach down 95 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,000 there for 96 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,280 30 years, 97 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,680 29. And then I went the dark route. 98 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,960 I went to Maple Mountain, but that is a 99 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,280 Spanish Fork City school. I like to 100 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:19,600 remind people. 101 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,000 Even though it says Maple, I wish they'd 102 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,480 have done something like Windmill High 103 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,320 School would have been better probably. 104 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Or Canyon View High School, but I spent 105 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,400 15 years there as the athletic director 106 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,800 and had some really cool experiences 107 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,880 with service. I retired 2 years ago. 108 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,880 Thought we were really going to have a 109 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,480 great retirement, my wife and I, but 110 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,230 in September of this year, she was 111 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,920 on the freeway 112 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,400 and she was hit by a diesel that come 113 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:46,960 pretty fast, I guess, from behind. It 114 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,120 must I don't know if it didn't see her, 115 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,240 but 116 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,680 long story short, she was paralyzed 117 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,760 from the from about here down, from 118 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,200 about the thoracic area down and 119 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,040 since her accident, she's of course in a 120 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,760 wheelchair. She'll never walk again, but 121 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,120 the service we have had 122 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,200 in our family. I mean, I get multiple 123 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,120 texts a day saying, "What can I do to 124 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,480 help?" And most of this is just pray. 125 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,520 And 126 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,800 you know, for those of you who are LDS, 127 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,920 you understand what the temple rolls 128 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,840 are. And she's had her name on those 129 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,920 temple rolls from all over the country, 130 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,200 from Florida to Nebraska to Utah to 131 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,560 California. 132 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,280 And the service provided to my wife has 133 00:04:21,280 --> 00:04:22,560 been amazing. 134 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,640 And so, I'm kind of a full-time 135 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,080 caregiver right now, but and but it's 136 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,160 helped us grow closer together. 137 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,800 And it's a service that I really love 138 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,640 doing for her, but some other thoughts 139 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,840 of service that that come to mind for me 140 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,040 is 141 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,200 I've been on the city 142 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,840 recreation committee 143 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:41,800 and also the RAP tax committee. So, I I 144 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,760 get kind of I got kind of a first-hand 145 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,120 view of some of the things going on here 146 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,080 in the city. And the thing that I'm 147 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,800 really impressed with was when that 148 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,000 first bond didn't go through, this 149 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,440 community stood stepped up. And that's 150 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,200 now why we call it Drive something 151 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,760 Drive. Volunteer Volunteer Drive. And 152 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:57,840 I'm really impressed with the way the 153 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:59,560 Spanish Fork City people step up and 154 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:00,680 serve. 155 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,440 People laying sod and donating materials 156 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,000 and just working hours and hours to make 157 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,120 sure that that finally happened. And 158 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,760 that's a jewel down there now. And of 159 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,120 course, now that the Fit City Center's 160 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,640 right there by it, it's just something I 161 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,560 have a lot of pride in. And just I'm 162 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,440 proud to tell people that I I live in a 163 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,960 city where it should be not just pride 164 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,520 and progress, but pride, progress, and 165 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,640 service. So, let's change that now. The 166 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:28,030 pride, progress, and service. 167 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,560 Steve Leisanback here. 168 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:31,840 I had breakfast with him this morning 169 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:33,000 and I mentioned I was doing this and I 170 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,440 guess that's why he's here. I'm not sure 171 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,440 unless he has something else to do, but 172 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,720 he's here to support and he's really 173 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,280 close friend. And as you mentioned, 174 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:40,560 former mayor. 175 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:41,400 Uh 176 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,000 one of my former students. I've got a 177 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,680 few former students in here. They're all 178 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,600 over the place, but uh 179 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Yeah, I I I I I I worked for Nebo for 44 180 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,360 years and and it was an act of service, 181 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,160 but it was an act of love to me cuz I 182 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,480 loved every minute. That's probably why 183 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,760 I went so long is because I loved every 184 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,480 year that I that I was able to teach and 185 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,760 coach. And uh 186 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,480 so, you know, another thing I just want 187 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,360 to mention real briefly that's that's 188 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,080 been neat for me to see is when I went 189 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,040 up to Maple Mountain, a guy named Dustin 190 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,600 Smith, who a lot of you know, he started 191 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,160 a program called Especially for 192 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,600 Athletes. Now, just tell me or raise 193 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,960 your hand if you've had kids or you know 194 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,160 anything about Especially for Athletes. 195 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,400 There we go. Lots of you. It's a program 196 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,440 where we get the student athletes in the 197 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:23,880 high schools. We get a leadership 198 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,120 council of about 20 kids, the best kids 199 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,920 in the high school in in my eyes, that 200 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,760 we know will help get out and serve and 201 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,200 lead other kids in the school to serve. 202 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,560 And one of the thing one of the projects 203 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,200 we did with Spanish Fork High is the the 204 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,520 athletes at Maple Mountain would meet 205 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,800 down at Spanish Fork High School in the 206 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,520 first part of December. Bill at Macy's, 207 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,640 Summers Summers Summers? 208 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,760 He would donate the food at cost and 209 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,680 that's a the big savings. Then the kids 210 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,360 would go out and raise money. 211 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,480 And they would raise a lot of money, 212 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:51,800 these kids. They'd go out and get money 213 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,960 and we'd match the money we we did with 214 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,560 what he would donate. 215 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,800 And every year, these kids would meet at 216 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,720 Spanish Fork High School and fill the 217 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,640 gym, okay? And then they would bag the 218 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,760 food and then 219 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,400 through the church, I think they were 220 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,520 able to identify 221 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,960 well over 100 families in the 222 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,520 Mapleton-Spanish Fork area that could 223 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,240 use a Christmas a nice Christmas dinner, 224 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,320 okay? And so, they they put this food 225 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,800 together, put it in sacks, and then they 226 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,160 paired up like a Maple Mountain kid 227 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,360 would pair up with a Spanish Fork High 228 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,160 School kid. And then they'd go out and 229 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,040 they'd knock on the door and these 230 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,880 people had no idea that people that 231 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,240 these kids were coming. They'd introduce 232 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,360 themselves and say, "We're just here to 233 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,200 provide you a really nice Christmas 234 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,080 dinner." 235 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,680 And these people would their eyes would 236 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,000 just like, "Holy cow." And when the kids 237 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,360 would come back 2 hours later, I'd say, 238 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,000 "How'd it go?" And these kids were in 239 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,440 tears. 240 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,160 That's what our youth are up to. They're 241 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,560 out providing service. And so, 242 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,040 this wet shirt here says Especially for 243 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,000 Athletes. That's the name of the 244 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,360 organization. 245 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,000 The kids wear a wristband. Who can tell 246 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,560 me what the wristband says? Anybody 247 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,320 know? 248 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,200 It says, "Eyes up, do the work." Eyes 249 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,240 up, do the work. That means they're 250 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,360 looking for opportunities to serve. They 251 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,320 look for kids in the school who who eat 252 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,640 lunch alone. And you know, that's that's 253 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,120 sad thing to see. 254 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,040 They look for opportunities to serve. 255 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,920 They they invite kids to come to the 256 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,880 dances who wouldn't get asked otherwise. 257 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,440 I mean, I've seen some amazing things 258 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,160 that these high school age kids are 259 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,120 doing to serve the community. So, 260 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,720 anyway, that's pretty much it. Is there 261 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:17,800 anything else 262 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,600 any questions at all? None? Okay. 263 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,680 I was also asked to say the prayer. So, 264 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,400 we'll get that going right now. 265 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,560 Our Father in Heaven, we're grateful to 266 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,520 be here this evening in the City Council 267 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,440 meeting. 268 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,160 We are especially grateful for those in 269 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,520 the city who serve our community. 270 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,080 For all they do, we pray that thou would 271 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,479 bless them. 272 00:08:36,479 --> 00:08:37,640 We pray that thou would bless those in 273 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,200 the community who are in need at this 274 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,680 time that their needs might be met and 275 00:08:40,680 --> 00:08:44,400 that we might be a tool to provide something that can bless the 276 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,520 lives of those who we serve. 277 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,240 Heavenly Father, we are 278 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,600 grateful for this community, 279 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,200 great community we live in. We feel 280 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,240 fortunate and blessed. We pray that thou 281 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,440 would bless the proceedings of this 282 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,120 meeting tonight. And we say this in the 283 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,760 name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank 284 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:00,200 you, Dave. 285 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,320 >> Thank you, Dave. Thanks, Coach. Please 286 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,640 stand and join me in the pledge of 287 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,080 allegiance. 288 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,040 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 289 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,520 United States of America 290 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,480 and to the republic for which it stands, 291 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,720 one nation under God, 292 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,520 indivisible, with liberty and justice 293 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:29,310 for all. 294 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,280 Thank you. Thanks for that 295 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,160 thought, Coach, and and open us open up 296 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,640 with a prayer. I I think um 297 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,920 I think that's a a great point to make 298 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,720 that is probably 299 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,200 pertinent to every public meeting that 300 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,480 we have is reminding 301 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,640 that uh 302 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,280 of what a blessing service is in our 303 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,720 community and and community members 304 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:52,800 serving 305 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,040 each other. It's it's it truly is what makes us special here in Spanish 306 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,200 Fork and and the Boyack family is no 307 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,160 stranger to that for sure. So, thank you 308 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,640 for that. Great way to open up our 309 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:04,960 meeting. 310 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,640 Item four on the agenda is the public 311 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,360 comment section. So, anybody from the 312 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,240 public that would like to come up and 313 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,760 address the mayor and council. Doesn't 314 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,920 have to be a topic on the agenda 315 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,520 tonight. We do have some public hearings 316 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,120 later. But this can be any general 317 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,480 comment or question to the mayor and 318 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,320 council. Please come up if you're here 319 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,480 for public comment. Make sure to state 320 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,080 your your name so Tara can get it in the 321 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:35,630 record for us. 322 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:36,600 Okay. 323 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,280 Seeing none for public comment, so we'll 324 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,440 go to the next section of the agenda, 325 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,560 council comments. I don't know. I think 326 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:44,920 I started over here last time, so I'm 327 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,920 looking that way. Council member Tuck, 328 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,240 if you're all right to go first and 329 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,720 we'll go this way and to and to 330 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,560 councilman Marshall. You bet. Thanks, 331 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:53,280 mayor. I actually for the first time I 332 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,120 do not have anything to comment on this 333 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,840 evening, so I will 334 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,240 pass the torch. 335 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,320 First time. 336 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,960 Well, you did well by getting a good spiritual thought today, so so 337 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,520 great job, councilman Tuck. Appreciate 338 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:07,760 you. 339 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:08,520 >> Thank you. 340 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,640 Councilman Carden. 341 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,360 Mayor, thank you. I also don't have 342 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,120 anything to report on today. 343 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,200 Wow. Well, we got a trend. I'm better. 344 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,242 You better pick it up. Councilman Oyler. 345 00:11:19,242 --> 00:11:20,000 >> [snorts] 346 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,839 >> Um thank you, mayor. I do have something 347 00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:24,760 to share just briefly. This morning 348 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,520 I had the chance to go on a little walk 349 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:28,480 with [clears throat] 350 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,320 one of my good friends who was also 351 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,760 former council member. Got a few of them 352 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,520 that we've talking about today, but 353 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,080 Richard Davis 354 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,040 and Richard and I spoke for a little bit 355 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:39,920 and 356 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,800 he shared something with me that he he 357 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,680 asked that I would maybe 358 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:45,560 bring up tonight. Richard and his wife 359 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,680 Tamara are currently serving as what we 360 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:51,800 call JustServe specialists. 361 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,040 So, if anybody is not familiar with what 362 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,000 the JustServe program is, it goes hand 363 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,800 in hand with what what Dave shared 364 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,080 tonight. So, your your thoughts were perfect with what I wanted to bring 365 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,440 up tonight. 366 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,080 JustServe is an opportunity for anybody 367 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,440 in the community to go to the JustServe 368 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,839 website 369 00:12:10,839 --> 00:12:12,839 and find service opportunities that are 370 00:12:12,839 --> 00:12:14,200 available 371 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,040 in in the area. I'm looking at it right 372 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,600 now and within 5 mi of Spanish Fork, 373 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,120 there are 30 currently 38 service 374 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,000 opportunities that are listed um from 375 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,839 trail clean up to all sorts of 376 00:12:27,839 --> 00:12:30,120 volunteer activities and 377 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,280 Richard just asked if I wouldn't remind 378 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,440 the public tonight about those 379 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,440 opportunities and 380 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,320 he also suggested and wondered if 381 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,480 there's a way as a council if we could 382 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,640 try and find 383 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,160 somehow a way to implement JustServe 384 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,240 with some of the things that we do in 385 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,640 our community with Spanish Fork. I know 386 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,560 Stacy, you had mentioned in our last 387 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:54,200 council meeting a little bit about code 388 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,080 enforcement and I wonder if maybe we can 389 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,160 before we go too far down the code 390 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,760 enforcement route 391 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,880 which is the you know, hard-handed side 392 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,080 of maybe we can look at using JustServe 393 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,520 as a community to identify individuals 394 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,200 in our community that could use a little 395 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,480 help It's a good idea. 396 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,400 >> um with different things and we could 397 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,560 organize it by neighborhood. Mhm. I 398 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:17,080 don't know if maybe the city would be 399 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,120 able to 400 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,360 provide a dumpster for a day or for a 401 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,360 weekend and we identify individuals in 402 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,120 our communities that we can serve and 403 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,560 that we can help. 404 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:27,480 not only them, but help keep our 405 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,839 community as well looking great and and 406 00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:32,200 looking clean. So, just just a thought 407 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,000 that I wanted to share tonight. Maybe we 408 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,120 can have further discussions on this 409 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,720 later on, but grateful for Richard and 410 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,839 Tamara and the work that they do to to 411 00:13:40,839 --> 00:13:44,440 serve Spanish Fork in the greater area 412 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,320 surrounding Spanish Fork. So, that's all 413 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,720 I've got there. Thank you, councilman 414 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,680 Oyler. Councilwoman Beck. 415 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:51,960 I also do not have anything tonight, but 416 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,160 I I like your idea, councilman Oyler of 417 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,040 implementing that to those areas that 418 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,520 where people need it. Yeah. I think a 419 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,200 lot of time when people's yard is out of 420 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,920 control, it's usually for health issues, 421 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,360 time restraints, um and money 422 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,800 restraints. And so, I think whenever we 423 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,040 can step in and help, it's a great idea. 424 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,959 So, let's look at that. 425 00:14:11,959 --> 00:14:13,320 Yeah. 426 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,760 Councilman Marshall. 427 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,920 Yes, sir. 428 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,000 Um in honor of the old former mayor, 429 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,644 I do not have any comments either. 430 00:14:22,644 --> 00:14:23,160 >> [laughter] 431 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,280 >> You don't have to give that. 432 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,240 >> Give back to you. My gosh, you're this 433 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,760 is going to go quick when you're here. I 434 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:34,120 he's in my head saying Reader's Digest style, so we know not to 435 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:34,680 talk. 436 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,880 >> Yeah, yeah. He knew he knew how to start 437 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,480 a meeting and end a meeting. That mayor 438 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,360 did, so um yeah, I don't have I don't 439 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,640 have a lot either besides just uh 440 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,959 coach Boyack giving giving us that 441 00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:48,800 thought tonight and and maybe something 442 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,360 that stuck out to me today just because 443 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,079 it was today uh which I know I remember 444 00:14:54,079 --> 00:14:56,959 seeing you at as a as a kid and and and 445 00:14:56,959 --> 00:14:59,400 then all throughout my kids being there 446 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,560 too was the the track meet. I don't know 447 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:02,880 if we still call it the Hershey track 448 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,200 meet. Is that what it's still called? 449 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,480 >> call it that. So, um that was down at 450 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 the high school today for the third 451 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,480 graders. Um you know, that's 452 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,920 watching Dale's department um you know, 453 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,959 round up third graders and get them 454 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:19,280 ready to run races and throw javelins 455 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,600 and everything else is a little bit of a 456 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,640 scene like herding cats um on a on a 457 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,160 football field, but they did a fantastic 458 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,240 job. Um they were working their tails 459 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,000 off and and again 460 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,760 to point out to the the youth and and in 461 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,280 our community 462 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,000 of the loudest cheers that you hear down 463 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:44,120 there is is fun to see that there's fast kids, there's normal kids 464 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,280 and coach always knew I was not normal. 465 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,880 I was even slower than the normal kids 466 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,640 and so, he he wouldn't ask me to come 467 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,200 out and run track, but uh That was 468 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Corey. Yeah, Corey was slower. That's 469 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:56,959 true. 470 00:15:56,959 --> 00:15:58,880 But he made up for it in 471 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,839 the music department. 472 00:16:00,839 --> 00:16:01,760 Um 473 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,600 the uh 474 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,360 cute cute stuff that that these special 475 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,040 needs kids in our elementary schools get 476 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,680 on that track too. 477 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,240 Um and and one kid, you know, wheel in 478 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:19,959 his his wheelchair down the track and the just the loudest cheers from his friends uh from his classmates 479 00:16:19,959 --> 00:16:22,760 and and from the stands and just again, 480 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,600 Dale, you guys you guys always pull it off and you pulled it off again 481 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,760 today and everybody that was down there 482 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,160 enjoyed a mid-morning at at the high 483 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,839 school. So, thank you in partnership to 484 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:35,839 the school district and the city for 485 00:16:35,839 --> 00:16:37,280 putting that on. As soon as you hear 486 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,920 about it, you're like 487 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,880 okay, I got to go down there and 488 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,720 my kid run for just a hot minute, but it 489 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,200 ends up being a real good community 490 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,760 thing that you see each other and and 491 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,440 hang out, which is a cool thing about 492 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,839 Spanish Fork. Intentional places 493 00:16:50,839 --> 00:16:52,800 to hang out with each other is always a 494 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,680 good thing and that was the case with 495 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,079 the Hershey track meet today. So, thanks 496 00:16:56,079 --> 00:16:58,040 for everybody putting it on. Um 497 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,760 councilman um 498 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,000 uh Tuck asked me to make sure our our Chamber of Commerce is here. 499 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,959 Kathleen, if you'd come up and and give 500 00:17:04,959 --> 00:17:07,160 us an update of how 501 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,439 the the chamber's doing and and 502 00:17:08,439 --> 00:17:09,839 businesses are doing in our community 503 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,320 and let us know what's coming up on the 504 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,600 calendar, that would be great. 505 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,199 Fantastic. Thank you so much. I greatly 506 00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:18,240 appreciate it. Um yeah, we're very busy 507 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,880 at the Chamber of Commerce as usual, 508 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,320 which we're very excited about. Um just 509 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,400 a few upcoming events. On Friday, this 510 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,640 Friday the 24th, we're actually going to 511 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,080 be cutting a ribbon for a member who's been a member for a 512 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,360 really long time, the Fossil Shack, but 513 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,679 he's recently moved. Although it is in 514 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:39,720 Payson and we're sad about that, we do 515 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,560 still very much want to support him and 516 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,840 make sure that his business is 517 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,200 successful at his new location. So, 518 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,560 that's April 24th at noon at the Fossil 519 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,480 Shack and he's running a two-day event. 520 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,520 So, if you can't make it for noon, all 521 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,160 day on the 24th and the 25th will be an 522 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,280 open house to go and see what he's built 523 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,640 there. Um I I can't wait to see it. 524 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,320 Then May 7th, we have our Business After 525 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,600 Hours event. We'll be touring the 526 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,520 Business Innovation Center that they 527 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,480 built at the MTech campus in in Payson 528 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,080 as well, actually. 529 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,520 Um but I went to go see it the other 530 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,480 day. They've recently opened it up. It's 531 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,720 available to entrepreneurs all over 532 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,000 Southern Utah County. It's not just for, 533 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,880 you know, Payson exclusively. So, we 534 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,679 really want to get the word out about 535 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:29,159 what's available there to our 536 00:18:29,159 --> 00:18:31,400 entrepreneurs. They have anything you 537 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,000 could imagine for branding, for 538 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,280 printing. Um they have office space 539 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,080 that's available for lease for very low 540 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,320 cost. So, it's just they have a podcast 541 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,880 studio. Lots of really low cost 542 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,000 resources to help businesses kind of 543 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,679 branch into that next level. So, that 544 00:18:46,679 --> 00:18:49,760 will be um May 7th from 5:00 to 7:00 545 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,520 p.m. We'll be there Chamber of Commerce 546 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,280 open house for us. 547 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,080 Um and then the Chamber Rotary Golf 548 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,640 Tournament is coming up on May 13th. We 549 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,159 are getting very close to a full field 550 00:19:02,159 --> 00:19:04,560 tournament, we which will be super 551 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,440 exciting to finally meet that. Um we 552 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,960 have very limited space available, but 553 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,000 there are still a few spaces. So, if you 554 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,320 know anyone that was hoping to golf or 555 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,960 sponsor a hole, we do still have a 556 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,919 couple of openings, but it's going to be 557 00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:21,720 a wonderfully full day on May 13th. 558 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,560 Uh new networking for May, our next one 559 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,000 is May 21st at noon. And then just 560 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,919 something to put on your calendars to 561 00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:33,080 know what's happening, our next Women in 562 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,360 Business event is Bows and Bingo on June 563 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:39,960 10th at 10:00 a.m. We're going to be 564 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,800 going to the Legacy House of Spanish 565 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,520 Fork and playing bingo with their 566 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,040 residents there. 567 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,600 Uh the Women in Business have created it 568 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,679 into a service project, so we're very 569 00:19:48,679 --> 00:19:50,679 much looking forward to that. And that's 570 00:19:50,679 --> 00:19:51,960 all I've got for you guys. 571 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,880 Thanks. Thanks, Kathleen. Thanks, 572 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:53,320 Kathleen. 573 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,040 >> Thank you, Kathleen. Appreciate it. 574 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,920 Okay, that's all for council comments. 575 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,760 Anybody else have anything before we 576 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,360 move on? 577 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,440 Okay, we'll go to staff reports. Any 578 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,280 staff reports we want to update? We 579 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,920 I don't believe we have any. 580 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,200 >> Nothing? Okay. No updates there. We 581 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,760 should make note we have not lost Tyler 582 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,800 Jacobson and Seth Parents to 583 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,600 somewhere else or some illness or 584 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,080 something. They're at a conference 585 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,160 at city managers conference. So, we're 586 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,000 excusing them today. 587 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,360 Um, okay, Spanish 401 is a water outlook 588 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,640 and conservation report 589 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,200 and highlights 590 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,200 kind of an important thing that's on a 591 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,560 few people's 592 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,440 mind, Mr. Corey Pierce. I switched seats 593 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,240 to confusion. Keep you on your toes. 594 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,840 And then help Jordan out so he felt not 595 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,280 so lonely running the computer. 596 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,000 >> I like it. Um, 597 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,440 Paul Taylor and and Jed are going to 598 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,280 share some information with us. So, come 599 00:20:53,280 --> 00:21:01,190 on up. 600 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,600 How do council meetings go in Salem? 601 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,880 We're usually out by now. 602 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,800 >> Oh, you're done by now. Okay, well. 603 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,160 We got started a little quicker. We got 604 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,760 business down here. 605 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,120 No. I'll keep this kind of short and 606 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:16,080 sweet. But yeah, we've been asked to 607 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,600 provide a brief update on our water 608 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,040 outlook for this up upcoming irrigation 609 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,360 season. 610 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,920 Um, and some conservation ideas to help 611 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,040 educate our our residents as well as 612 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,400 what the city's been doing the past 613 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,280 couple years to help with conservation. 614 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,440 Um, this is obviously due to the 615 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,200 significant significantly below average 616 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,880 snowpack that we've experienced this 617 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,200 past winter. 618 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,190 Um, 619 00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:41,240 >> [clears throat] 620 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,960 >> just to kind of break it up with the 621 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,560 drinking water, 622 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,280 um, our drinking water currently comes 623 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,080 from four springs and two wells. 624 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,760 We are currently utilizing only the 625 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,400 springs to meet our drinking water 626 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,120 needs, reserving the two wells for use 627 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:58,760 as backup supply when necessary. 628 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,960 Our normal operating procedure is being 629 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,520 maintained this year as our springs are 630 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,720 currently keeping pace with the demand 631 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,920 with little to no flow over reduction. 632 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,800 Um, consumption in our drinking water 633 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,520 system typically rises during the summer 634 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,400 but doesn't experience extreme 635 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,950 or excessive spikes. 636 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,480 We are 637 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,480 little side note, we do observe 638 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,080 um, an approximately a 3% increase in 639 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,040 water consumption 640 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,160 as a result of growth each year. So, 641 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,800 overall, 642 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,520 I don't anticipate any concerns 643 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,240 regarding our drinking water supply for 644 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,280 this current year. 645 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,560 Uh, on to pressurized irrigation, 646 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,400 it draws its 647 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,600 this draws water from a variety of 648 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,040 sources 649 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,520 including river water, wells, and 650 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,440 Strawberry Reservoir. 651 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,840 Uh, typically this time of year we 652 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,760 utilize river water because the warming 653 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,600 temperature causes snowpack runoff. 654 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,560 Currently this year's river flow is 655 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,880 approximately 33% 656 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,320 of its normal capacity. 657 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,760 When limited water supply is divided 658 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,960 among seven other irrigation companies, 659 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,160 the resulting allocation for each party 660 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,760 is is very 661 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,480 small. 662 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,720 Uh, so when this happens, 663 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,160 the river needs to be supplemented with 664 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,720 Strawberry Reservoir to help meet those 665 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:29,230 irrigation demands as well as ours. 666 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,400 The positive outlook is that Strawberry 667 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,880 Reservoir is currently sitting at 85% 668 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,320 full. 669 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,840 This is a level that will help sustain 670 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,480 our water demand throughout this year. 671 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,720 Uh, to meet our peak water demands 672 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,679 during July and August, 673 00:23:44,679 --> 00:23:47,440 we will utilize a couple of our wells. 674 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Um, this strategy will also 675 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,520 allow us to conserve some of that water 676 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,320 in the Strawberry Reservoir for future 677 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,440 years, 678 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,080 following years. 679 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,880 So, just a quick summary of that, our 680 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,360 water supply is not a major concern this 681 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,520 year. 682 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,520 Um, but the water outlook will change 683 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,160 significantly 684 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,800 next year if we experience another 685 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,230 winter similar to the one we just had. 686 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,600 Um, 687 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,679 so kind of our plan for this year, 688 00:24:18,679 --> 00:24:20,560 we as a water department, public works, 689 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,679 we would like to 690 00:24:22,679 --> 00:24:24,080 our plan is to fully implement a 691 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,160 practical water conservation methods 692 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,240 while maintaining a voluntary approach. 693 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,400 Our hope is to see that our residents 694 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,800 accept this voluntary approach so we 695 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,880 don't have to enforce restrictions in 696 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,840 the future whenever that might be. 697 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,160 Um, before I turn the time over to Jed 698 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,880 on some conservation methods that were wanting to implement, I have a 699 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,960 couple questions that I want to answer 700 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,520 that we typically get asked. 701 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,800 Um, 702 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,080 as well as a couple of facts that would 703 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,760 be good to maybe bring to your guys' 704 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,520 attention as well. 705 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,000 But one of the questions we typically 706 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,800 get asked and we got with Bart and 707 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,920 Dallen and Ryan Reese with the golf 708 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,880 course, 709 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,240 but why are parks irrigated during the 710 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,440 day instead of at night? 711 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,150 Um, 712 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,040 never really thought about this. 713 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,400 We just kind of 714 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,320 let it go. But Mar- Bart answered this 715 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,240 for us. 716 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,040 Um, their systems are larger, requiring 717 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,800 more more flow than the standard 718 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,320 residential sprinkler system. 719 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,400 Watering at night can drastic- 720 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,960 drastically lower the pressure and 721 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,360 efficient 722 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,160 water and efficiency of not only the 723 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,600 city sprinkling system but the adjacent 724 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,120 properties that are generally located 725 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,280 within the residential neighborhoods. 726 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,160 So, this really helps balance out our 727 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,800 overall system 728 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,679 um, with pressure and volume 729 00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:50,040 throughout night and day. 730 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,880 Another question we get asked is why 731 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,800 does the city water during a rainstorm? 732 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,360 Um, this is something I learned from 733 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,400 Bart that was really good. 734 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,520 Uh, with the larger parks, 735 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240 the water is is based on a evapo- 736 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,840 evapotray 737 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,840 transporation transpiration. 738 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,880 Yeah, it's really big word. 739 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,520 Anyway, this is calculated daily and 740 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,360 runs and run times are adjusted based on 741 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:18,000 watering needs. 742 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,520 Um, the sprinklers may run during a 743 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,320 rainstorm but the system will account 744 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,440 for that rain during the next watering 745 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,720 cycle and only water what is needed. So, 746 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,760 it kind of 747 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,400 calculates how much water's been put 748 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,880 down during a week or the day and 749 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,200 humidity humidity plays into a big part 750 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,640 of that as well. 751 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,470 Um, 752 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,840 kind of going on, the parks department 753 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,720 uses a Cal Sense control system 754 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,480 um, to help manage their watering parks. 755 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,720 Some of their benefits that they they 756 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,920 see with this is they can manage the 757 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,120 watering from a computer or cell phone. 758 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,760 Um, the system will shut off when it 759 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,679 dictate when it detects a flow rate 760 00:26:58,679 --> 00:27:01,240 above the set parameters. 761 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,840 They receive alerts when the sprinkling 762 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,320 system waters incorrectly, whether it's 763 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,280 a low flow, high flow, 764 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,160 whether it's shut off or etc. So, they 765 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,400 get a lot of alerts. 766 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,480 And when using Cal Sense sys- Cal Sense 767 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,240 system effectively, you can save up to 768 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,160 40% of the their water use. 769 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,200 So, 770 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,240 they're uh they're using that each day. 771 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,160 And then my last little fact kind of 772 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,960 just to help, the golf course installed 773 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,320 a new sprinkling system back in '21. It 774 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,679 was fully operational in 2022. 775 00:27:32,679 --> 00:27:34,920 Um, with this new system, 776 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,880 they've been able to reduce their usage 777 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,120 with an average of 30% over the 3 to 4 778 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,840 years. So, 779 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,600 the city's taken a very good proactive 780 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,880 approach on conservation on some of our 781 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,480 larger scale things. Um, we'd really 782 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,360 encourage the residents to do the same. 783 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,160 So, I'll turn the time over to Jed. He's 784 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,200 got some good water conservation methods 785 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,400 that he wants to talk about, too. 786 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,840 Thanks, Paul. Okay. Thanks, Paul. 787 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,920 Hello. 788 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,600 Mr. Olsen. 789 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,000 Um, 790 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,120 biggest thing that I would like to point 791 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,720 out is 792 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,000 our water conservation page 793 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,200 because there's there's a lot of 794 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,080 detailed information, different programs 795 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,360 that we're operating, um, some 796 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,400 historical stuff kind of going back into 797 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,600 when we were implementing the sprinkler 798 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,080 clock program. Um, 799 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,880 but the big big point is is is the 800 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800 resources that are available through 801 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,760 partnerships that we have 802 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,159 with like Central Utah Water, Savers, different 803 00:28:37,159 --> 00:28:39,159 you know, slow the flow programs 804 00:28:39,159 --> 00:28:40,720 throughout the state that offer, you 805 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360 know, different resources, rebates, 806 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,919 grants, and classes that are available. 807 00:28:46,919 --> 00:28:49,630 Um, 808 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,600 a a big one, you know, to talk about 809 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,000 that is located on the water 810 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,640 conservation page is when should I 811 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,440 water? You know, as as a resident, when 812 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,760 should I have my sprinkling system 813 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,840 going? 814 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,919 And just to reit- reiterate what Paul 815 00:29:02,919 --> 00:29:05,679 had kind of mentioned is 816 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:09,000 we take the approach of of information. 817 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,560 You know, 818 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,480 it can be much more effective if people 819 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,760 are informed and they're they're 820 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,480 voluntarily voluntarily, 821 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,960 um, you know, taking it upon themselves 822 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,640 to take ownership of the water that 823 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,120 they're using. 824 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,000 Um, so, you know, big question that gets 825 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,520 brought up is, you know, 826 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,440 alternating times. Well, the city has 827 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,480 a schedule that's on on this water page 828 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,640 that discusses that and it it 829 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,240 you know, shows residents based on their address and the area of town that 830 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,520 they're in, you know, when when should I 831 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,840 be watering? 832 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,240 You know, that brings into account the 833 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,480 wind cuz that's a big thing that that's 834 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,400 talked about is well, we've been told 835 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,280 for years never water during the day. 836 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,080 Well, Spanish Fork has something that's 837 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,840 unique to our city and that is the big 838 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,360 wind tunnel that's 839 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,040 coming out of the canyon. 840 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,640 You know, and and 841 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,280 when implementing that sprinkler 842 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,040 program, there was a lot of research 843 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,480 done. When should we be watering? You 844 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,280 know, that not only helps 845 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,200 you know, the the wind evaporation that 846 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,800 happens. I mean, if 847 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,400 you could potentially 848 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,760 lose up to 50% of your water if the wind 849 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,480 is blowing hard enough. 850 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,400 You know, and and that 851 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,760 you know, can really affect people's 852 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680 landscaping and that. So, that's that's 853 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,960 a big thing 854 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,280 to to remember and to you know, get out 855 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,480 of the public is you know, 856 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,720 kind of 857 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,880 abiding by that recommended you know, 858 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,120 spring sprinkler schedule. 859 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,400 Um something that kind of goes along 860 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,040 with that. We wanted to kind of show a 861 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,640 comparison 862 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,240 and [clears throat] and just show how 863 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,720 dramatic it is. People really don't 864 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,400 understand how much water they're using. 865 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,960 You know, and so I picked picked a 866 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,946 couple of 867 00:30:56,946 --> 00:30:57,280 >> [clears throat] 868 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,720 >> uh random homes that were on the 869 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,560 opposite ends of the scale. Kind of what 870 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:08,440 our typical use you know, closer to the 25,000 24,000 gallons that we would 871 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,960 expect to see on a typical residential 872 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,920 lot and then the extreme. 873 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,440 They [snorts] had the similar square 874 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,800 footage 875 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,960 and one home was used in the month of 876 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,960 July last year used 217,000 877 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,680 gallons of water on their lawn. 878 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,390 That was only outdoor use. 879 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,440 The 880 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,200 uh another home which is more 881 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,320 comparable, they still used 49,000 882 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,080 gallons in the in the month of July. And 883 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,400 just to show what that is 884 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,760 it's recommended that you apply a an 885 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,640 inch to a inch and a half 886 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,720 of water on your on your turf grass. 887 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,280 Well, the the home that used the 217,000 888 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,120 gallons used 13 inches of water in one 889 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,630 week. 890 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,240 So, that that that's a drama dramatic 891 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,310 water. 892 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,280 There was no leak no leak with that 893 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,080 home, right? That was that was actual 894 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:10,560 use. 895 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,360 >> Yeah, that's actual use. I looked at the 896 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,040 meter usage. It was in the gallon and 897 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,600 that's every time their sprinkling 898 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,679 system turned on, I could see their 899 00:32:18,679 --> 00:32:20,720 usage. 900 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 So, that and that's that's like I said, 901 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,080 there's a wide variety of of 902 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,400 um 903 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,360 you know, population in the city that 904 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,679 you know, it uses anywhere. That's just 905 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:34,160 extreme versus probably more of your 906 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,679 typical. I have a question on that. 907 00:32:36,679 --> 00:32:38,679 Would it be inappropriate of like 908 00:32:38,679 --> 00:32:40,600 someone in your department to call them 909 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,360 and just to educate them? Like when 910 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,160 we're just talking about ordinances, we 911 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,720 want people to have a nice front yard 912 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,000 and we're going to go approach them 913 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,520 about maybe weed control or 914 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,160 vehicles parked on their lawn that 915 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,320 shouldn't be there. Would it be like, 916 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,760 "Hey, I don't know if you knew, but you 917 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,160 only need an inch and a half of water, 918 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,760 not 13." 919 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,880 >> I don't think it'd be inappropriate, but 920 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,520 there's definitely a mountain to climb 921 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,200 with that. Really? So, it's an excessive 922 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,280 >> Yeah, you got to figure the the time. 923 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,750 Yeah. Okay. 924 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,877 You sound great. You're doing great. 925 00:33:11,877 --> 00:33:12,200 >> [laughter] 926 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,320 >> Thank you. I appreciate it. 927 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,600 >> for you. Yeah, thanks, Charles. 928 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,640 Um so, yeah, it it 929 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,600 when you're looking at the scale of of 930 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,960 time and effort that that would take 931 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,400 it would just be a mountain. Not 932 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,840 impossible, 933 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,840 but it the resources that the the staff 934 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,720 time that it would take to put into that 935 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,560 you know, and that 936 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,679 >> out ways to educate them. Yeah, and that 937 00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:39,880 that's I mean, the the the next thing 938 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,480 that I want to talk about gives them 939 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,240 that ability which is the utility usage 940 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,400 portal. 941 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,320 Um you know, Alpine you know, got on the 942 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,400 map a couple weeks ago or you know, 943 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,520 about a month and a half ago about 944 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,000 supposedly having one of the first 945 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,280 utility usage portals showing conser you 946 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,840 know, usage and consumption you know, 947 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,840 for for customers in the state, but 948 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,920 we've had ours since about 2019. 949 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,480 You know, so that's something that's 950 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,040 another resource that the city has that 951 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,200 residents and businesses can take 952 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,440 advantage of to see what their actual 953 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,600 usage is because trying to do that just 954 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,919 based off your monthly bill, that'd be you know, kind of a hard thing 955 00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,399 to to accomplish, but you know, being 956 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:24,440 able to see that utility usage portal 957 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,359 and see what their usage is daily or 958 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:28,520 hourly, 959 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,560 you know, it as the information comes 960 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,520 in, you know, it it would be very 961 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,760 helpful. Right now, currently, only 962 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,720 about 5% of our utility customers 963 00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:40,120 actually take advantage of that. 964 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,679 You know, so that's definitely something 965 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,000 that could be you know, promoted a lot 966 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,000 more and taken advantage of a lot more. 967 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,640 Anytime that I'm on a water leak or 968 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,960 somebody that has a concern about their 969 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,720 high consumption, I always bring this 970 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:53,240 up. 971 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,359 You know, so that like I said, that goes 972 00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:56,879 back to what I mentioned at the 973 00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:58,680 beginning. People just really don't 974 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,680 understand what they're using. 975 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,240 Right. So, if if you you know, are 976 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,359 conscious and and want to you know, 977 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:07,400 serve the community like has been 978 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,160 brought up in the beginning of the 979 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,240 meeting, that's a big way that that 980 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,680 residents can make the most impact. When 981 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,480 you refer back to our water conservation 982 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,560 plan that we got approved um you know, 983 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,560 about a year and a half ago 984 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,280 it we found out that about 72% of our 985 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,880 residents are the the main user of our 986 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,080 water. 987 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,400 You know, commercial and industrial and institutional is a very small 988 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,880 population when you start to look at 989 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,080 that. 990 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,560 You know, so that that the residents can 991 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,160 make the biggest impact. 992 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,800 So, 993 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,520 um 994 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,560 another 995 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,200 uh thing I wanted to make sure I'm 996 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,600 bringing up is we do have some events 997 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,160 that are going on this year. Another big 998 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,960 one that the that is being made 999 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,080 available to the residents uh through 1000 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,440 Central Utah Water is they're putting on 1001 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,440 a landscaping class. 1002 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,680 It's a three three-week course one night 1003 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,440 a week that's going to be be actually 1004 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120 here at the library in the average room. 1005 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,480 And that's going to be going on uh 1006 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,640 the 1007 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,480 first part of of June. 1008 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,000 You know, so that's another big thing 1009 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,640 that that you know, they're making 1010 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,840 available and they have those classes 1011 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,480 all season long. You know, so not just 1012 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,880 here, but they 1013 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,359 reached out and wanted to put something 1014 00:36:24,359 --> 00:36:26,400 on for our community. 1015 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,120 You know, so 1016 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,359 um 1017 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:30,960 Yeah. 1018 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,160 Any other questions? 1019 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,480 for Mr. Addison? 1020 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,960 >> Yes. Jed, we get a 1021 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,200 uh in our gas bill, we get a notice that 1022 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,040 shows how we compare with our neighbors. 1023 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,640 >> Mhm. Is there any way with what what 1024 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,120 we've got in our tool to be able to do 1025 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,880 that? 1026 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,720 >> doesn't offer that specifically, but you 1027 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,800 can compare your own 1028 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,240 and then like I said, if if you're 1029 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:54,800 looking at our tiered rates, those are 1030 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,000 designed to be able to fit that need 1031 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,720 because our tiered rates go from zero to 1032 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,640 24,000 1033 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,400 and then 24,000 1034 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,640 no, 25,000 and then 25,000 plus. 1035 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,960 You know, so 1036 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,800 if they're able to compare what their 1037 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,320 typical usage is, look at it's a 15th of 1038 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,760 an acre 1039 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,400 you know, 0.15 acre and so if they're 1040 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,600 able to compare and say, "Okay, this is 1041 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,560 the amount of green space I have, I 1042 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,560 should be using about 24,000 gallons." 1043 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,160 You know, if you there's a lot of 1044 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,080 calculations that go into that, but you 1045 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,280 know, soil composition and how much 1046 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,920 precipitation we're we're using or we're 1047 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,776 receiving 1048 00:37:39,776 --> 00:37:39,840 >> [snorts] 1049 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,160 >> because that's the thing. The inch to 1050 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,160 inch and a half, that's to take into 1051 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,359 account the precipitation we're using as 1052 00:37:46,359 --> 00:37:47,400 well. 1053 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600 So, if we get a bunch of rain storms and 1054 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,359 people don't pull back or they don't 1055 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:53,480 have a smart controller that pulls back 1056 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,359 that consumption then that you know, 1057 00:37:56,359 --> 00:37:59,359 they're using an excess. 1058 00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:00,640 So, 1059 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,560 but that that's what I would recommend 1060 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,600 is compete with yourself. 1061 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,640 You know, shoot for that target and and 1062 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,320 you'll make a difference. 1063 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,280 So, Do Do we have any idea currently 1064 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,800 about how many residents do not have 1065 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,766 smart controllers in the city? 1066 00:38:17,766 --> 00:38:19,320 [clears throat] So, when we wrapped up 1067 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,280 the program, it was about 2020 2021 is 1068 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,000 when we kind of finished that up. We had 1069 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,880 distributed over 3,000. 1070 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,000 You know, so if you take into account 1071 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,880 3,000 1072 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,480 you know, residents that took advantage 1073 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,840 cuz you had to live in the city. Not to 1074 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,920 say that some probably haven't 1075 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,200 disappeared since, you know, when people 1076 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,120 move and sell their property, but 1077 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,960 right now, we have about 12,000 1078 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,040 um connections in pressurized 1079 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,280 irrigation. 1080 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,240 So, we roughly hit you know, close to a 1081 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,760 quarter of our our PI usage our PI 1082 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,240 connections. Okay. So, 1083 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:02,680 and it it did flatten out. I mean, 1084 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,080 that's the thing. You look at the the 1085 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,600 peak demand 1086 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,840 um when that program got implemented, it 1087 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,280 was running hard from midnight until 1088 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,160 about 6:00 a.m. 1089 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,080 Once that program really was was spread 1090 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,000 out and and utilized, we now took it 1091 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,440 back to around 10:00 p.m. to about 10:00 1092 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,160 a.m. So, we flattened out that peak 1093 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,960 demand 1094 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,440 you know, quite extremely. Yeah. So, 1095 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,630 >> It's good. 1096 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,640 stuff. Okay. Thank you, Mr. 1097 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,480 Addison. Thank you, Jed. Thank you. 1098 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,760 I see Mr. Waters back there. Is Mr. 1099 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,480 Waters going to talk about water or I'm 1100 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,240 supporting my You're supporting. Okay. 1101 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:44,480 Perfect. 1102 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,800 Great information. Great timely 1103 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,520 information. Thank you guys. It's a good avenue to to give us that update. I 1104 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,040 I'd be remiss if 1105 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,800 I know it's kind of a broken record that 1106 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,360 I say this when I when I say it, but 1107 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,400 every time we talk about water, remember 1108 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,680 the city you live in if you're a 1109 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,240 resident here 1110 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,920 has been a leader in the state 1111 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,400 for for 25 years plus in water. I I see 1112 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,600 our superintendent in the back there. 1113 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,000 Thinking of how much uh you know, how much grass is in our 1114 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,680 schools and and and how much it's 1115 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,480 utilized not just in when we're in 1116 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,640 session 1117 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,680 for schools, but practices and our 1118 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,320 partnership again. But for 25 plus 1119 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,280 years, Spanish Fork has had a secondary 1120 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,560 water system, pressurized irrigation 1121 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,720 system 1122 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,080 where you're not watering with your 1123 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,760 culinary water. Now that's coming the 1124 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,880 state's on board and saying other cities 1125 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,480 have to to do that to try to conserve 1126 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,960 water, but Spanish Fork's seriously a 1127 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,480 pioneer in that in that way and and so 1128 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,320 you should be proud um for those times 1129 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,320 that you see some some sprinklers maybe 1130 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,840 on during a rainstorm or whatever it may 1131 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,480 be and and and questioning that, just 1132 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,920 know um this is a very water conscious 1133 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,760 uh city and and has been for a long time 1134 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,120 and our partners that they use that 1135 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,040 water too or or that way as well. So um 1136 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,320 thank you thank you for that 1137 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,920 presentation and and and and keeping 1138 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,960 that good tradition alive of of 1139 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,680 conserving water in Spanish Fork and 1140 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,600 I I concur with what's been said. This 1141 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,320 is the year to do it. 1142 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080 I hope I hope we get get some snow next 1143 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,480 year. We didn't get any this year and uh 1144 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,920 there's some scary charts that uh could 1145 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,880 show you the snowpack levels 1146 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,960 and then the averages and how we were 1147 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,520 terribly below that average and uh you 1148 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,560 can go down and see the river right now. 1149 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,320 Yeah. This is usually when we're warning 1150 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,520 kids to 1151 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,920 stay out of the river and uh there is 1152 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,640 virtually no flow in that river right 1153 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,920 now. So so tough tough times to do what 1154 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,360 you can uh 1155 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,680 individually on your on your own on your 1156 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,600 own yard and and be conscientious of it 1157 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,600 and we can all help each other out like 1158 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,680 we do in a community. So 1159 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,200 thank you guys. Appreciate that update. 1160 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,960 Okay, takes us to item eight, consent 1161 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,200 items. 1162 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,840 Uh we have items A through D on the 1163 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,560 consent items. Any questions on those 1164 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,560 consent items? 1165 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,120 If not, I'd entertain a motion for the 1166 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,070 consent items. 1167 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,200 I move to approve the consent items A, 1168 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,920 B, C, and D. Motion made by Councilman 1169 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,080 Carden. 1170 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,720 Second. Second by Councilman Took. All 1171 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,520 in favor, say yes. Yes. 1172 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,440 >> Yes. Consent items are approved. And 1173 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,840 before we move out out of consent items, 1174 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,200 there's some real estate purchase 1175 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,200 agreements in there that you can see to 1176 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,520 executed, but I think the Spanish Fork 1177 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,160 airport taxiway Bravo is pretty cool one 1178 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,120 to have on there. So good work 1179 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,240 everybody. Um if the citizens don't 1180 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,040 know, it's an important piece of the 1181 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,000 airport uh down there and getting that 1182 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,840 rolling uh makes the airport function a 1183 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,320 lot safer. 1184 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,720 Um you have Alpha, you have Bravo, and 1185 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:50,240 now we have we're going to have two 1186 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,200 taxiways so planes don't have to cross 1187 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,400 the runway to to take off and land. So 1188 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,640 some really good stuff happening down at 1189 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,560 the airport. 1190 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,040 people want to talk any more 1191 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,760 about it? I feel like I'm talking a lot. 1192 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,480 You guys are I think that you said it 1193 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,760 best and it's going to continue to 1194 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,680 happen, right? It's only building this 1195 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,120 portion is only building part of it. So 1196 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,600 there's still more that's going to be 1197 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,560 happening. So it's still got a little bit to go. We're not 1198 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,120 going to take Delta and Allegiant and 1199 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,560 Breeze flights out of Spanish Fork 1200 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,040 airport, right? But still still the 1201 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,080 busiest general aviation airport in the 1202 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,680 state. So 1203 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,480 Very good. Okay. 1204 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,560 public hearing items A through D. 1205 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,400 Uh we have um 1206 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,640 four of these items. The first one is an 1207 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,120 ordinance to approve title 15 amendment 1208 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,760 for religious structures. Mr. 1209 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,510 David G. Anderson. 1210 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,990 Mr. Mayor, thank you. 1211 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,160 There are a couple different parts to 1212 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,680 this proposal. 1213 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,470 First of all, the proposal would 1214 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,640 Come on. Come on. It would uh define 1215 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,160 large religious structures. 1216 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,560 We tend to try to keep things pretty 1217 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,400 simple. I think calling them churches 1218 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,240 taller than 35 ft is about as simple of 1219 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,320 a way to do that as we can. 1220 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,320 Um that is what we're talking about um 1221 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,040 in relative to how our code defines 1222 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,640 churches. Really any type of 1223 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,000 >> [snorts] 1224 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,680 >> house of worship or religious 1225 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,880 institution would fit under that title. 1226 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,680 The second part of the proposal involves 1227 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,480 creating some criteria that if met would 1228 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,840 allow 1229 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,080 for 1230 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,040 um such facilities to be approved 1231 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,000 administratively. 1232 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,520 Uh those criteria include 1233 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,520 uh quantifiable, measurable 1234 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,400 um 1235 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,440 criteria. 1236 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,960 I for example, in order to be approved 1237 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,640 um in residential zones, a site would 1238 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,960 have to be at least 8 acres in size. The 1239 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,640 structure still would have an overall 1240 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,960 square footage limitation of 65,000 sq 1241 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,320 ft. 1242 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,760 The height of the bulk of the building 1243 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,520 would still be limited 1244 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,280 to 80 ft 1245 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,200 and 1246 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,120 I the height of anything that would 1247 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,160 extend above the roofline of a building 1248 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,680 such as a tower, steeple, or that type 1249 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,480 of thing would be limited to 1250 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,480 uh 80 ft as well unless that portion of 1251 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,880 the structure were built of materials 1252 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,840 that would not combust. 1253 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,200 If they were constructed that way, then 1254 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,600 they could be as tall as 200 ft. 1255 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,960 Um lastly, 1256 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,760 uh and this is a variation of what was 1257 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,960 presented at the planning commission a 1258 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,560 couple of weeks ago. 1259 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,160 I we have suggested that an additional 1260 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,400 criteria be included 1261 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,680 which involves how far 1262 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,560 a structure of this type would have to 1263 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,000 be from any 1264 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,880 residential property. 1265 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,359 I just say any property that has a home 1266 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:52,359 on it 1267 00:45:52,359 --> 00:45:53,840 uh would have to be set back at least 1268 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,480 200 ft. Uh it's actually probably better 1269 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,440 to say that the the structure that we're 1270 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,320 talking about would have to be set back 1271 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,840 at least 200 ft from a property with a 1272 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,359 home on it. 1273 00:46:06,359 --> 00:46:07,960 The intent of Yeah. 1274 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,280 >> They've not the home itself, but the 1275 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,040 property lines, right? To the property 1276 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,480 line. Yes. And I think that's an 1277 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,960 important distinction because 1278 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,520 occasionally 1279 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,960 homes move, additions get made, and 1280 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,280 different things like that. So this 1281 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,880 would afford still 1282 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,040 I a property owner on the residential 1283 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:25,880 side to be able to do that 1284 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,160 without impacting the conformity of the 1285 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,680 adjoining structure with our our 1286 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,120 requirements that we have here. Dave, 1287 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,080 can you 1288 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,480 Sorry if we're interrupting you. No, 1289 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,160 please. Kevin started it. Um 1290 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,200 the 200 ft is that just for light is 1291 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,640 that the purpose for that or what is the 1292 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,400 reason for 200 ft? I I think the 200 1293 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,680 ft's for a lot of different reasons. Um 1294 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,800 city manager and I were talking about 1295 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,880 it. Maybe it's just as simple as 1296 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,080 you have a fall zone. Okay. 1297 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:54,480 That makes sense. 1298 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,200 >> Um I think more practically 1299 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,480 I having a one-to-one distance in terms 1300 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,600 of how tall something is relative to 1301 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,480 where something maybe exists on an 1302 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,240 adjacent property. 1303 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,200 Light and air, it's kind of classic 1304 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,160 purpose for setbacks. 1305 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,720 Um is one reason. Maybe just aesthetics, 1306 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:13,960 not having something be quite as 1307 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,480 imposing because of its proximity 1308 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,200 to a different use, different things 1309 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,960 like that. Makes sense. Thank you. 1310 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,359 >> Incidentally, I think that's a criteria 1311 00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:25,280 probably that um 1312 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,920 could be increased if that was something 1313 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,920 that that the city council felt 1314 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,480 um would be helpful. I I would certainly 1315 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,080 say that a minimum of a one-to-one 1316 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,560 setback is uh very appropriate and 1317 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:39,840 important. 1318 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,600 But even a one in terms of height to maybe one 1319 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:44,800 and a half 1320 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,920 would also be appropriate. And uh 1321 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,600 and I don't mean to be coy at all, but 1322 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,200 these proposals or this proposal is 1323 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,160 before the council because 1324 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,720 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day 1325 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:58,960 Saints has announced plans to build a 1326 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,760 structure that would be taller than the 1327 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,800 typical church is in Spanish Fork. 1328 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,920 And uh this proposal is 1329 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,000 uh really put together 1330 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,800 again, I would say in as simple of a way 1331 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,640 as we could conceive it, 1332 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,200 but thoughtfully so as to bring our 1333 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,960 review and approval process into 1334 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,320 conformity as much as anything with 1335 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,760 federal law. 1336 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960 I appreciate the work that Mr. Pakel put 1337 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,320 into providing a brief for the council. 1338 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,800 Um it's helpful for me to get that to 1339 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:28,880 better understand exactly what we're 1340 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,840 talking about in terms of of that 1341 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,040 balance that we're trying to strike 1342 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:38,240 between um using reasonable criteria to protect a neighborhood 1343 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:39,960 from just some fundamental impacts that 1344 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,000 could result um with a with a religious 1345 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,200 structure being built in a certain way 1346 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,760 while also protecting people's right to 1347 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,040 worship as is defined in federal law and 1348 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,520 the courts. So 1349 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,280 um 1350 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,960 I'll I'll add to that and this is where 1351 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,400 this proposal 1352 00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,440 um didn't align with the planning 1353 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,800 commission's recommendation. I think an 1354 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,720 important part of this is not allowing this to become 1355 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:07,680 subjective. Again, having measurable 1356 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,120 quantifiable 1357 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,160 criteria that if they are met I assume 1358 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,840 that if they are met 1359 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,000 an applicant would receive a permit and 1360 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,800 they could move forward 1361 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,720 versus maybe creating an environment 1362 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:21,080 that um 1363 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,720 you know, perhaps with very good 1364 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,160 intentions 1365 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,200 uh but yet ultimately because of 1366 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,800 uh 1367 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,640 the federal statute that that we do 1368 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,240 abide by and and uh we certainly work to 1369 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,440 have our ordinances conform with 1370 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,560 um really doesn't afford an opportunity 1371 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,520 for neighbors to weigh in much in the 1372 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,760 define how it is that that um somebody 1373 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,680 chooses to build a structure of this 1374 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,440 type and express their uh religion and that type of 1375 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,440 thing. 1376 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,080 Um, so to mention just a little bit more 1377 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,000 about the planning commission's 1378 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,440 recommendation, you know that it's rare 1379 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,800 that we as staff present something 1380 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,040 that uh ultimately gets to the city 1381 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,480 council with a recommendation for denial 1382 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,120 from the planning commission. I'll 1383 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,120 reiterate that I absolutely believe that 1384 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,200 they have great intentions 1385 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,560 um by way of wanting to 1386 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,520 make sure that there is a process set up 1387 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,080 that as much as anything as I understood 1388 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,920 the comments that they offered in their 1389 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,360 meeting 1390 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,000 provides the public with an opportunity 1391 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,600 to to weigh in and to comment. Um, of 1392 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,600 course, right? That's 1393 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,960 We think of that as being an important 1394 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,960 part of our processes and community 1395 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,160 engagement and that sort of a thing. 1396 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,120 But also 1397 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,800 if you look at many different aspects of 1398 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,520 how our zoning code 1399 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,200 is put together 1400 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,480 uh indeed there are a number of 1401 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,400 different instances where 1402 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,720 uh very consciously um 1403 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,920 opportunities for people to maybe 1404 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,280 participate via public hearing 1405 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,640 or that type of a thing have been 1406 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,800 limited and it's simply because the 1407 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,760 city's hands are tied. 1408 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,760 So the idea of inviting people to come 1409 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,280 to offer comment on a particular 1410 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,560 proposal or application 1411 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,880 when the outcome is certain 1412 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,320 because of one reason or another and 1413 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,400 frankly most often 1414 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,160 it's because an application 1415 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,920 satisfies the city's requirements. 1416 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,520 And when that happens often times the 1417 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,440 city's obligated to approve it. I mean 1418 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,080 certain rights involved that applicants 1419 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,400 have. 1420 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,320 In this case it's a little bit 1421 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,440 different. 1422 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,720 Um, it's law that has dictated what can 1423 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,880 happen and the role that local 1424 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,720 government can play 1425 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:45,880 in defining what somebody can construct. 1426 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,880 So 1427 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,440 trying to not create that situation 1428 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,720 where 1429 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:51,640 there's that forum 1430 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,360 and maybe that misperception about being 1431 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,720 able to influence the outcome. 1432 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,080 That's where we as staff are coming from 1433 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,000 and trying to make this what what I 1434 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,480 would call an administrative action 1435 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,560 versus anything that might bring some 1436 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,120 subjectivity 1437 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,680 into play. 1438 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,920 But again, I certainly appreciate 1439 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,760 uh the planning commission's 1440 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,680 perspective. Um, we as staff have a 1441 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,000 different recommendation relative to to 1442 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,800 this proposal and we recommend that it 1443 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,000 be approved. Um, and I'll note again 1444 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,160 that with the planning commission, not 1445 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,680 that this would have changed their 1446 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,240 recommendation, but the additional 1447 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,720 criteria there of this setback. Um, that 1448 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,160 actually came out of some comments that 1449 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,280 the chairman of the planning commission 1450 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,080 made. Um, I think that was a great 1451 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,120 thought and and we've added that 1452 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,000 criteria E 1453 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000 as a result of that. 1454 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:37,720 Um, 1455 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,800 anyway. 1456 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,880 That's my best job of trying to provide 1457 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,920 a succinct review of what we talked 1458 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,040 about with the planning commission and 1459 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,400 kind of the origin of this proposal. 1460 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,480 Good summary. Any questions for Dave 1461 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,920 before public hearing about this? 1462 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,240 Thank you, Dave. 1463 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:56,760 Thank you. I'll entertain a motion to go 1464 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,800 into public hearing for item A. 1465 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,720 So moved. Second. Motion made by 1466 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,560 Councilman Oyler, second by Councilwoman 1467 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,160 Beck. All in favor say yes. 1468 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,560 >> Yes. We're in public hearing for item A. 1469 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,080 Anybody from the public that would like 1470 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,880 to come up and speak to this amendment 1471 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,440 of title 15? 1472 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,800 Please come up and 1473 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,160 state your name so 1474 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,480 Tara can get it on the record and uh 1475 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,110 we'll give you a 3-minute clock. 1476 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,840 Nobody wants the 3 minutes today. 1477 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,400 Okay, uh seeing none I'll entertain a 1478 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,720 motion to go out of public hearing. So 1479 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:28,680 moved. 1480 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,040 Motion made by Councilman Carton Okay. 1481 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:32,680 seconded by Councilman Took. All in 1482 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,400 favor say yes. Yes. Discussion back up 1483 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,800 here. Any other questions or further 1484 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,120 comments 1485 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,640 about uh item A? Dave. 1486 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,680 Today if a church is built on I think as 1487 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,320 I read it any of our residential 1488 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,080 codes as long as they meet staff 1489 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,920 requirements there's no public hearing 1490 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,120 or anything like that at this point, 1491 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,280 right? That's correct. Okay. That's how 1492 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,240 I read it, but I just wanted to make 1493 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,920 sure I was reading that correct. Yep. 1494 00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,359 Okay. 1495 00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:01,080 No, I think one thing mayor just to 1496 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,400 mention I I was able to watch the 1497 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,600 planning commission. They had a lot they 1498 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,680 had a lengthy discussion and they said 1499 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,000 that it'll probably take us 2 minutes. 1500 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,280 So they they laughed a little bit about 1501 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,920 that, but I think that they talked about 1502 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,080 a lot of good things, but one of the 1503 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,120 things that I think city staff talked 1504 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,200 really well about in that meeting and 1505 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,200 then um I think Mr. Anderson did a good 1506 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,080 job here doing in the same thing is 1507 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,640 making sure that we're not just having 1508 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:24,680 um 1509 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,920 public hearings just to have public 1510 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,400 hearings, but that we there's something 1511 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,600 that we can actually do about it cuz 1512 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,400 when we do that I think it frustrates 1513 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,040 everybody involved. Mhm. Um, those that 1514 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,400 are coming to talk to us us because our 1515 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,080 hands are tied. Like there's nothing we 1516 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,280 can do. So I think that I think this is 1517 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,240 a great move to try to set parameters 1518 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,400 that make sense that are trying to be 1519 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,040 forward we're thinking forward, not 1520 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,480 trying to think after the thought and 1521 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,520 trying to make this a succinct process 1522 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,359 for everybody involved. So thank you to 1523 00:54:50,359 --> 00:54:51,600 city staff that's probably put in a lot 1524 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,480 of 1525 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,840 hours 1526 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,160 days probably to make this happen, but 1527 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,600 in making it easy for for us to kind of 1528 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,320 move forward and make it make it work in 1529 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,840 a good way. 1530 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,280 I agree. Thanks, Jesse. 1531 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,400 I guess my extension of that Councilman 1532 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,760 Carton good good comment there is 1533 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,960 nothing we can do about something sounds 1534 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,400 a little bit 1535 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,000 desperate like something's 1536 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,480 being forced on us. Our history and 1537 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,080 heritage here in this area 1538 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,320 uh speaks to religious freedom 1539 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,359 quite a bit and so does our country that 1540 00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:25,440 we're that we're celebrating 250 years 1541 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,720 of and so 1542 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,640 um even though you you know this this 1543 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,720 would make an administrative act happen 1544 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,400 to construct this church. It's a church. 1545 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,640 Yeah, it's a it's a it's a temple where 1546 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,280 people are going to be together and 1547 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,920 worship and think about something other 1548 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,800 than themselves and how they can serve 1549 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,880 other people. So that's a root uh in our 1550 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,200 community and so 1551 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,520 even though it's you know maybe 1552 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,760 frustrating that you have a public 1553 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,280 hearing you can't do anything about, I 1554 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,080 think it's rooted well in law that we 1555 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,480 shouldn't discriminate on on people's 1556 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,600 religious ability to get together. I 1557 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,880 appreciate And and this will this will 1558 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,760 make that happen and hopefully 1559 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,560 have this flow and and uh 1560 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,720 and this structure be built tomorrow. So 1561 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:09,680 um 1562 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:10,560 it's going to take a little bit longer 1563 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,560 than that. 65,000 square feet maybe. 1564 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,040 Yeah. 1565 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,040 But uh 1566 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,760 Any other just questions about this? 1567 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,838 Just one for Dave. Um 1568 00:56:19,838 --> 00:56:19,880 >> [clears throat] 1569 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,359 >> I understand the desire not to want to have a public 1570 00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:24,440 hearing. That makes a ton of sense. I 1571 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,760 don't want to have to tell people thanks 1572 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,720 for your comment, there's nothing we can 1573 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:29,120 do about it. That's that's not good 1574 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,200 policy. 1575 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,280 Um, but each one of these five have some 1576 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,320 Well, if I just read them today they 1577 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,200 look arbitrary. I'm sure that they're 1578 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,600 not. They have some reasoning behind all 1579 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:39,640 of them. 1580 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,280 Why eight not seven acres? Why not five 1581 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,160 acres? Why not 5.5 acres? Why 65,000 1582 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,960 square feet? Um 1583 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,480 What's sacred about 200 versus 250? 1584 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,920 Um, so my ask is not for today. 1585 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,680 It's just send me the justification 1586 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,359 behind it. We're going to have to do 1587 00:57:00,359 --> 00:57:02,080 justify it anyway at some point. We're 1588 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,640 going to put that on paper. 1589 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:04,880 I'm just curious where these came up 1590 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,200 with. I'm sure there's some good logic 1591 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,680 behind it, but 1592 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,760 there's no way for me to see that today. 1593 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,480 I appreciate that and to be honest I 1594 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,720 think there is some latitude definitely. 1595 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,120 I wouldn't say 1596 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,680 um indeed that 1597 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,080 Thanks, Jordan. 1598 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,440 So for example, I'll just go through a 1599 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,880 few different images that kind of set 1600 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,960 the stage for how we looked at 1601 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,120 what the numbers should be 1602 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,480 um and honestly we received a little bit 1603 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,120 of help from the property owner in this 1604 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,800 case Sure. to put these together. 1605 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,880 Um, so in terms of height, you know, 1606 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,480 understanding 1607 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,080 uh how this proposal relates for example 1608 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,120 to a similar type facility that's in 1609 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,520 Payson and there are being maybe just I 1610 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,600 think we have four all together. 1611 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,960 Um, so I think most of these you go to 1612 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,120 the next one 1613 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,190 if you don't mind. 1614 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,000 It's Orem. Uh 1615 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,480 so just to take a quick moment. 1616 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,840 Um, it's our understanding that the 1617 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,600 intent uh for what would be constructed 1618 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,320 in Spanish Fork wouldn't be quite as 1619 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,880 large in terms of square footage as what 1620 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:08,960 we're 1621 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,600 uh aware of exists in Payson and Orem. 1622 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,560 Uh height likewise a little bit less. 1623 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,640 Uh so there is a little bit 1624 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,520 of comparing with some of these other 1625 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,520 facilities and fine-tuning relative to 1626 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,800 what's been represented that the idea is 1627 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,960 for Spanish Fork. Um 1628 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,720 I think there are two more. 1629 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,680 So this is one that I think is a little 1630 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,280 bit interesting as well. 1631 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,720 And I think you know this suggests that 1632 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,400 you know should uh we receive an 1633 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,120 application in the future 1634 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,560 you know, maybe for something that is uh 1635 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:45,840 like 1636 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,520 what we're talking about in terms of how 1637 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,760 it would be defined, but maybe different 1638 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,120 in form 1639 00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,520 we might be well served to revisit some 1640 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,359 of these criteria to account for that. 1641 00:58:56,359 --> 00:58:58,760 Uh this particular facility not quite as 1642 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,160 large in terms of square footage 1643 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,760 as what we call for here in this code 1644 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,320 but in terms of for example tower 1645 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,040 height. But all of that could fit on 1646 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,560 within our ordinance. 1647 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,359 Uh it was with respect to what's 1648 00:59:10,359 --> 00:59:16,000 proposed, the building square footage 1649 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,640 uh what's proposed would require at 1650 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,160 least 65,000 or at least at 65. Yeah, 1651 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,280 not 1652 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,000 I thought that was the max. Okay. 1653 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,359 >> So yeah, that is that's a distinction 1654 00:59:26,359 --> 00:59:27,320 then 1655 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:32,400 from what uh from what we'd have and uh 1656 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,440 I think that would be a very reasonable 1657 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,200 pragmatic approach 1658 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,320 with the idea that if a faith wants to 1659 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,800 build something like what we're talking 1660 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,000 about here, the role we would play would 1661 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,400 be to accommodate that and you know, to 1662 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,160 think about public good and and for 1663 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,280 example public safety and different 1664 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,960 things like that just practically what 1665 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,560 we could um 1666 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,120 consider. 1667 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,640 >> I I I guess if if that logic applies 1668 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,560 then why have a square footage at all? 1669 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,440 If we know in the future if another 1670 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:03,880 faith came and said I want to do this, 1671 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,800 we would change the 1672 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,520 ordinance to accommodate them. 1673 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,120 I think that's a great question and you 1674 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,560 know, maybe that is something that that 1675 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,600 should be further thought through. 1676 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,040 Um 1677 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,760 by way of maybe [snorts] trying to 1678 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,120 create that balance is it just my 1679 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:19,320 thought. 1680 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,200 And I'd look to Von or anybody else that might want to want to share 1681 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,360 thoughts. 1682 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,320 Without a doubt 1683 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,760 we're trying to 1684 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,640 craft something here 1685 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,400 that has some kind of unique guardrails 1686 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,080 to it. Sure. So that 1687 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,840 um 1688 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,160 it would be used in cases where 1689 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,520 it's necessary by way of again allowing 1690 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,320 somebody to to worship as they please 1691 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,360 but also not allowing folks maybe that 1692 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:56,320 aren't aren't quite as intent on that to somehow fit into the narrow kind of corridor that that 1693 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,640 we're trying to create for this to be 1694 01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,520 approvable. 1695 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:00,440 I don't know if that's that's a great 1696 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,520 answer but but probably but like besides 1697 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,320 the property 1698 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,400 >> I I I get it. I mean I 1699 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,080 There's folks out there going man Shane 1700 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,360 doesn't want a template. That's not it 1701 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,400 at all. Um 1702 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,160 I I want to be consistent as much as 1703 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,720 possible. Right? 1704 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,920 Accommodating as much as possible. 1705 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:22,840 Um 1706 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,120 the 1707 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,120 when when we had the discussion about 1708 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,480 what we can and cannot do in terms of 1709 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,120 freedom of religion it was impose 1710 01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,600 something on 1711 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,880 the religion. Right? That was I can't 1712 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,760 remember the exact words Von Substantial 1713 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:38,160 burden 1714 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,160 >> Substantial burden on them. 1715 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,240 Thank you Von. 1716 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,240 Um and I think we've done that by a 1717 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,400 large. 1718 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,880 But if challenged by whomever 1719 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,680 we better have some reasons for the 1720 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,640 numbers we put in there. 1721 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,680 Um because someone could come and say 1722 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,680 it's a substantial burden to to build a 1723 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,000 85,000 square foot building instead of a 1724 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,200 45,000 square foot building. So 1725 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,800 I'm not opposed at all. I just want to 1726 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,800 make sure that we're protected 1727 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,440 when the next thing comes. So 1728 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,600 I'm just asking some due diligence 1729 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,000 questions. I appreciate it. Try to 1730 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,080 answer them. It's It's a difficult spot. 1731 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,120 And I'd mention as well that I think 1732 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,240 there are facilities like what we're 1733 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,880 talking about that probably are in sites 1734 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,320 that are smaller than eight eight acres 1735 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,360 someplace. So Yeah, I I I don't the 1736 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,160 Cathedral Madeleine downtown? Right, 1737 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,720 that's exactly what comes to mind. 1738 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,520 >> 185 foot towers twin towers? Yeah. On a 1739 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,320 much smaller footprint, right? Yeah. 1740 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,640 So 1741 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,560 again, I don't want to mean it as a cop 1742 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,400 out or anything but just trying to balance what we know today and 1743 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,960 understanding that in the future there 1744 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,400 might be a reason to change. Okay. 1745 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,920 There was also no public comments. So 1746 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:47,840 Good questions Shane. 1747 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,280 >> Good question. Kind of the applicant you 1748 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:50,920 have in front of you right now. 1749 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,600 Appreciate working with that. Yeah. 1750 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,880 Okay, if there's no other questions for 1751 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,680 staff on this, I'd entertain a motion to 1752 01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,703 approve item A. 1753 01:03:00,703 --> 01:03:01,240 >> [clears throat] 1754 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,560 >> I move to approve the ordinance to 1755 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,200 modify the development standards for 1756 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,200 churches that meet certain criteria 1757 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,480 based on the findings in the staff 1758 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,600 report. 1759 01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,480 You want those findings read Von or you 1760 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:13,800 all right with They're part of the 1761 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,960 record. Perfect. I don't know 1762 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,760 motion made by Councilman Oyler. Do I 1763 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,960 have a second? Second by Councilwoman 1764 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,880 Cardenas a roll call vote. Councilman 1765 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,920 Took. Councilman Carden. Councilman 1766 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,760 Oyler. Councilwoman Beck and Councilman 1767 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,640 Marshall. 1768 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,080 Yes. I was going to say Shane. 1769 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,240 says 1770 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:33,240 >> Shane says yes. 1771 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,040 >> Yes. Shane equals yes. 1772 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,600 >> votes yes. 1773 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,600 Perfect. Item A passes. Appreciate that 1774 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,920 input. Thank you. 1775 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,430 Uh 1776 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,440 Now Now that mayor right there has 1777 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,519 hauled people out for clapping. 1778 01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:49,040 >> [laughter] 1779 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,640 >> Right there. Don't 1780 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,600 See? You're welcome to leave if you're 1781 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,759 going to clap. 1782 01:03:53,759 --> 01:03:57,070 >> [laughter] 1783 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,040 ยป Okay, next public hearing item on the 1784 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,760 agenda is an ordinance to approve the 1785 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,240 Hales two lot zone change. Mr. David 1786 01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,680 Anderson. Mr. Mayor, thank you. I want 1787 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,840 to ask real quick, is anybody here? 1788 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,800 That's what I thought. Great. 1789 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,720 So I'm going to let you explain some of 1790 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,000 the reasoning maybe in just a quick 1791 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,960 second. I'll set the stage. And I 1792 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,600 um 1793 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,440 I love this proposal. 1794 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,280 And I love it partly because of the 1795 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,560 history. 1796 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,359 I have to go back a couple of years to 1797 01:04:26,359 --> 01:04:29,200 when the applicant applied to build a 1798 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,359 four unit town home building on the 1799 01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:32,800 subject property. 1800 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,320 And today they're presenting on the 1801 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,160 corner of 200 North and 600 East 1802 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,359 to build just two single family homes. 1803 01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:42,760 There's an existing home on the subject 1804 01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,200 property. 1805 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,080 They're on the northeast corner 1806 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,520 of what we're talking about. That home 1807 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,400 would be raised to make room for two 1808 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,880 different lots and like I said two 1809 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,080 different homes. 1810 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,920 Um the proposal is really that simple. 1811 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,000 Um I'll mention this really quickly. The 1812 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,040 development review committee and the 1813 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:00,880 planning commission have both 1814 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,760 recommended that it be approved. This is 1815 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,080 before 1816 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,080 you as a city council for infill overlay 1817 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,080 approval because that's necessary 1818 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,160 given 1819 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,160 what the setbacks need to be. They need 1820 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,680 to be reduced a little bit in order to 1821 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,680 accommodate the two single family homes 1822 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,320 here. So 1823 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,880 those changes involve 1824 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,960 on one side reducing the setback 1825 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,920 to 20 feet 1826 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,840 from what would otherwise have been 25 1827 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,080 feet. 1828 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,520 Um on a rear side reducing the setback 1829 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,320 from 25 feet down to 16 feet. 1830 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,640 Um the five foot side yard setback 1831 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,040 um on one side 1832 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,640 uh and that sort of a thing. 1833 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,400 Pretty minor 1834 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,600 variations from what our code typically 1835 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,240 would require. 1836 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:53,840 And 1837 01:05:53,840 --> 01:06:00,400 by way of one last plug uh the idea that this is going to provide two 1838 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,960 different opportunities for people to 1839 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,920 buy single family homes on individual 1840 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,080 lots 1841 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,800 which I I do think that's the American 1842 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,440 dream. I think that's what people 1843 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,359 ultimately aspire to to have. 1844 01:06:12,359 --> 01:06:12,720 >> that? 1845 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,680 >> Buy two of them on single family lots or 1846 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,000 to buy a home? 1847 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,560 Well, maybe that's my dream. Okay, so 1848 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,520 no. 1849 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:20,880 Yeah, to have the opportunity for two 1850 01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,480 different homeowners to buy their own 1851 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,120 single family home to live on its own 1852 01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,720 lots. 1853 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,280 Um That is absolutely 1854 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,840 >> that's great. This is not something that 1855 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,560 we've seen a lot of, right? Most of the 1856 01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:33,840 time when we're talking about infill 1857 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,960 overlay projects it is 1858 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,520 it's a town home, it's a triplex, it's 1859 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,160 something like that. 1860 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,560 Not that there's anything wrong with 1861 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,120 that but um I I I appreciate where we're 1862 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,280 at with this application and the 1863 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,960 applicant's willingness to uh put forth the project. 1864 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,640 Um I can pull up other imagery if you'd 1865 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,240 like but I'd probably rather hear from 1866 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,800 the applicant's daughter if that's good 1867 01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:01,349 with you. Perfect. Absolutely. come on. 1868 01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:03,520 Please get your name to Tara if you can. 1869 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,120 Perfect. My name is Haley Mangelson. Um 1870 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,920 my dad would be here but he's actually 1871 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,280 in the hospital. He's doing good. 1872 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,000 Um 1873 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,600 And then my husband was going to be here 1874 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,680 but he has a final today. So I have my 1875 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,080 amazing in-laws here supporting me. I 1876 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,880 was like the last resort. I asked all of 1877 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,920 them to come [laughter] up. So I'm like 1878 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,640 super nervous. 1879 01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,120 But I think also to mention the history 1880 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,400 doesn't just go back to the fourplex. 1881 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,960 That was my great grandma's house and 1882 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,000 her parents' house. So I'd be fifth 1883 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,240 generation. I am fifth generation living 1884 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:36,359 there. 1885 01:07:36,359 --> 01:07:38,240 Um and like he said, my dad really 1886 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,280 wanted to do a fourplex at first but he 1887 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,880 would drive up 1888 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,960 and he says this and he's like grandma 1889 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,560 would be so mad at me if I put a 1890 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,560 fourplex up there. It wouldn't fit in. 1891 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,680 It wouldn't match and it wouldn't 1892 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,400 resonate. Um so we decided to move it to 1893 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,960 that two home. 1894 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:55,560 Um 1895 01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,120 and I feel like that is the all American 1896 01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,080 dream. My middle name's Liberty so I 1897 01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,000 feel like I can say that. I don't know. 1898 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,240 if that's fair but um super 1899 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,359 excited and yeah, I think that's all I 1900 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:08,200 have. 1901 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,560 Anything else? Questions for the 1902 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,280 applicant before public hearing? 1903 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,870 You did great. Perfect. Thank you. 1904 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,040 I'd entertain a motion go to public 1905 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,480 hearing for item B. So moved. Motion 1906 01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:21,560 made by Councilman Took. 1907 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,440 Second. Second by Councilwoman Beck. All 1908 01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:26,040 in favor say yes. Yes. Public hearing 1909 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,200 for item B the Hales two lot zone 1910 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:29,799 change. Anybody from the public that 1911 01:08:29,799 --> 01:08:42,030 would like to speak to this item? 1912 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,359 My name is Jennifer Maughan m a u g h a 1913 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:49,000 n and I live directly west of the 1914 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,280 corner. 1915 01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:51,359 And 1916 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,680 I would just like to it would only be 1917 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,240 two single family homes. Is that 1918 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,719 correct? Correct. That is what he's 1919 01:08:57,719 --> 01:08:58,080 saying. 1920 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,440 >> Okay. Uh to the west of myself there is 1921 01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:03,160 that four 1922 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,359 unit apartment building that Richard 1923 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,440 Davis has managed beautifully 1924 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:09,520 for many many many years. 1925 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,560 And I just 1926 01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,160 would not like to have apartments on 1927 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,560 both sides. 1928 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,600 So it it saddens me. My grandfather grew 1929 01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,440 up in that home. 1930 01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:22,359 And then he built the house that I live 1931 01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:23,400 in 1932 01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,520 when he and his wife married. My father 1933 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,440 grew up in that house. My children grew 1934 01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:28,759 up in that house. 1935 01:09:28,759 --> 01:09:31,400 So, it it does sadden me, but 1936 01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,160 pride in progress. 1937 01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:36,319 People need a place to live. So, 1938 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:38,720 thank you. And the two family homes 1939 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,799 would be lovely. 1940 01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:44,749 So, thank you. 1941 01:09:44,759 --> 01:09:47,910 Anyone else? 1942 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,480 Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion to 1943 01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:51,799 go out of public hearing for item B. 1944 01:09:51,799 --> 01:09:53,640 So moved. Motion made by Councilman 1945 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,360 Carden. 1946 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,240 Second. Seconded by Councilman Took. All 1947 01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,000 in favor, say yes. Yes. Discussion back 1948 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,200 up here. Any questions 1949 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,360 for the applicant or staff 1950 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,240 on this item? 1951 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,040 Oh, if they all were this easy. 1952 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,040 Right. 1953 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,400 For future reference, if anyone wants to 1954 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,920 zone something like this changed, 1955 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,080 as a father of daughters, take your 1956 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,760 daughter up there and have them put put 1957 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:20,213 their 1958 01:10:20,213 --> 01:10:20,600 >> [laughter] 1959 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,880 >> It's way more impactful. So, nice job. 1960 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:25,280 Yeah. 1961 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,440 A very good job and and and I think it's 1962 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,480 not lost on what's already been said, 1963 01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:32,480 but but yes, doing what we can to 1964 01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:33,640 create uh 1965 01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,520 great places for people to live and and 1966 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,160 enjoy our community just like 1967 01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:38,720 generations have. It's pretty cool 1968 01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,960 stories to hear hear of generations 1969 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,160 growing up here and there's going to be 1970 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,840 more generations growing up here. So, 1971 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,000 thank you for those comments and 1972 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,600 pointing that out. 1973 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:47,960 If there's no more discussion on item B, 1974 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:52,550 I'd entertain a motion for it. 1975 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,720 I move to approve the proposed ordinance 1976 01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,800 Yeah. 1977 01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,560 I move to approve the proposed ordinance 1978 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,400 for the house two lot infill overlay 1979 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,000 zone chain 1980 01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,960 change based on the following on the 1981 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,560 findings in the staff report. 1982 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,430 Motion made by Councilwoman Beck. 1983 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:14,240 Do we need There is also some 1984 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,760 conditions. Yes. I shouldn't have made 1985 01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:17,640 this. 1986 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:19,800 She's adjusting her motion. I'm 1987 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,760 adjusting the motion to have Shane 1988 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,040 Marshall do this. 1989 01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,360 Subject to the following 1990 01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,080 conditions in the staff report as well. 1991 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,590 See, you did better than me. 1992 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,884 I will second all of that. 1993 01:11:34,884 --> 01:11:37,150 >> [laughter] 1994 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,080 ยป A motion and a second. 1995 01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,320 Roll call vote here. Councilman 1996 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,640 Marshall. Councilwoman Beck. Councilman 1997 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,840 Euler. Councilman Carden. And Councilman 1998 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,760 Took. Yes. Item B is approved. Thank 1999 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,320 you. All the best to your dad. Hope he 2000 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:50,720 gets better. 2001 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,400 Thanks for coming. 2002 01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,880 Okay, item C is a resolution authorizing 2003 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,160 the creation of the Stockman Flats 2004 01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:06,830 Public Infrastructure District. 2005 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,280 Thank you, Jordan. Mayor and Council, 2006 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,600 this is a 2007 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,840 petition from property owners within the 2008 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,840 Stockman Flats subdivision. 2009 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,160 Not all of them, but the majority of 2010 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:16,880 them uh 2011 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,200 to have 2012 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:19,800 the creation of the three public 2013 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,360 infrastructure districts to apply to 2014 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,760 their property. The districts would be 2015 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,840 able to levy an additional property tax 2016 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,840 just on their property. Uh and it would 2017 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,320 allow them to access the public finance 2018 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,160 market by issuing public infrastructure 2019 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,320 bonds. 2020 01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,760 Um the PID the three PIDs or districts 2021 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,200 would be separate and independent 2022 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,440 entities from Spanish City. 2023 01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:43,520 Um 2024 01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,440 They proposed a governing document and 2025 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,360 that's the key document that you'd be 2026 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:48,880 approving tonight as you adopt the 2027 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,560 resolution. 2028 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:51,880 One of the exhibits is the governing 2029 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,720 document, which just sets the guardrails 2030 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,840 that these infrastructure districts can 2031 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,600 operate within. So, they set a maximum 2032 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,840 mill levy, which is they've suggested be 2033 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,080 5 mills. 2034 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:03,920 Um 2035 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,760 The document describes the public 2036 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,680 infrastructure that can be financed. And 2037 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,360 maybe I'll just pause right there. It's 2038 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,280 only for public infrastructure. Cannot 2039 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,080 be for any private improvements of uh 2040 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,520 that apply to that private property. 2041 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,560 It's for public publicly dedicated 2042 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,000 infrastructure. 2043 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,720 Um They would establish a board of 2044 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,600 directors of the districts and other 2045 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,000 important functions and and governing 2046 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,120 operations of the districts. 2047 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,400 Let's see if maybe you could advance one 2048 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,880 slide. There's the property within the 2049 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,640 Stockman Flats subdivision and and 2050 01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,960 annexation. Excluded is the southwest 2051 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:44,800 corner, but the remainder would be in the three different districts. 2052 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,800 Um 2053 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,720 Are there any questions about what's 2054 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,680 being requested? 2055 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,480 I have two of them. Go for it. Does this 2056 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,200 follow the same 2057 01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:55,680 I guess 2058 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,440 governing document and different things 2059 01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:58,680 that we've done with the other PIDs that 2060 01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,360 we have approved? Yeah, pretty much. The 2061 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,840 GLH 2062 01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,720 infrastructure districts, there's two of 2063 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,560 those as well. 2064 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,440 They use the same they follow the our 2065 01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:11,120 own policy, our PID policy and used our 2066 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,320 the same municipal advisor and the same 2067 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:15,920 bond council 2068 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,680 our financial advisor and legal advisors 2069 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:19,800 that we have. 2070 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:20,560 Um 2071 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,040 They've they follow our policy to a T 2072 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,800 basically. They may differ in who their 2073 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,800 board members are or what the the mill 2074 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,080 levy they suggested with was, but 2075 01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,360 generally it's the same template. 2076 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,440 And then my second question is with the 2077 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:38,360 legislative acts state opening up PIDs, 2078 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:39,640 is this a legislative act or an 2079 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,600 administrative act? 2080 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,640 That's a good question. 2081 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:44,800 Um 2082 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,600 I would think that uh 2083 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,560 adopting the creation resolution would 2084 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,760 be a legislative act. Okay. That, you 2085 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,920 know, could be subject to referral. 2086 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:54,960 Um 2087 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,920 But once it's established, then it's a 2088 01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,320 separate entity from the city. Right. 2089 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:00,120 And the reason why I asked that is 2090 01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,400 because we we developed a policy a 2091 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,320 couple years ago that kind of governed 2092 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,560 what they could and couldn't do, how 2093 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:06,800 they did it and those type of things. 2094 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,400 So, in my in in my non-legal mind, so 2095 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,840 I'm not an engineer nor am I a lawyer. 2096 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,360 Um but 2097 01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,520 my in my mind it seems like it would be 2098 01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:17,880 an administrative act because of It's 2099 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,560 similar because we're following our 2100 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:20,862 policy, but I I think the actual 2101 01:15:20,862 --> 01:15:22,680 [clears throat] act of adopting a 2102 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,600 resolution makes it more legislative. 2103 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,160 >> Got it. Thank you. 2104 01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,560 Dave, question for you. Do we have Does 2105 01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,680 Stockman Flats have any current tenants? 2106 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,750 Do you know? 2107 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,480 That part of it which is in the PID, I'm 2108 01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:41,160 not aware of anybody that's made an 2109 01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,360 official announcement there. 2110 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,000 They have gotten really close with one 2111 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,680 and I think a second as well, but um 2112 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,400 yeah, I I would say no that I know of. 2113 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,160 Based on that, Von, do you know or Dave 2114 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,880 if somebody does apply or does want to 2115 01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,360 move in there, 2116 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,400 are they giving or required to receive 2117 01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,360 any kind of a notice? Is there The 2118 01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,400 statute requires them to get notices, 2119 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,160 absolutely. 2120 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,680 Yep. 2121 01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,200 I think, Von, the notice is only given 2122 01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:11,760 to a property owner though, right? 2123 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,520 >> Right. So, if they were to acquire 2124 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,640 property acquire it, but not necessarily 2125 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,160 the lease. Not a lease. Well, they're 2126 01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:18,840 not paying the property Exactly. It's 2127 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,120 whoever pays the property tax. Okay. 2128 01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,800 In situations like this, I think that's 2129 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,000 where we've discussed this as PIDs in in 2130 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,440 our industrial areas and commercial 2131 01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:29,600 areas is 2132 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,120 the the owner of that property that 2133 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:33,800 leases it maybe or the landlord 2134 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,840 certainly knows the mill rate he's 2135 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,840 paying. So, he's he is charging that to 2136 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,200 a tenant, right? And that tenant can 2137 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,160 choose whether or not to lease that. At 2138 01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,080 the initial setup, it requires the 2139 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,760 consent of all the property owners 2140 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,040 within the district. So, 2141 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,600 in this it's a unity of ownership. 2142 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,480 There's one owner, but 2143 01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:52,640 if there were multiple owners, they 2144 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,720 would have to agree to be included in 2145 01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,320 the PID. And that's probably why you see 2146 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,360 a corner excluded. 2147 01:16:58,360 --> 01:16:59,400 But 2148 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,240 after that, they get the notice if they 2149 01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:02,800 were to purchase the property and and 2150 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,000 then they can 2151 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,800 do their own math of whether this is a 2152 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,200 good deal for them or not. Yep. 2153 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:09,880 So, Von, when you started this, you said 2154 01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,040 some, but not all. 2155 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,680 And that that referred to Stockman Flats 2156 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:15,640 the the at large. 2157 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,160 >> the whole annexation the whole sub Yeah. 2158 01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,680 Within Stockman Flats subdivision, there 2159 01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,480 are a few excluded and they those that 2160 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:25,640 chose not to will not They will not be 2161 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,440 in it. No. All right. 2162 01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:29,280 So, it's only those that have choose to 2163 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,800 tax themselves higher. 2164 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,600 >> Exactly. Exactly. 2165 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,960 Okay. Which they'll pass on to whomever 2166 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:35,640 pay. 2167 01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,000 But they're doing it in order to 2168 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,240 generate some revenue to help develop 2169 01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,120 the infrastructure lift for that 2170 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,400 property. Yeah. 2171 01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,720 Which takes the burden off of 2172 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,280 the rest of the taxpayers of Spanish 2173 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:48,800 Fork. 2174 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,520 Right. Shifts it to the people that are 2175 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,120 going to get the benefit that the the 2176 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,920 landowner right here instead of on the 2177 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,720 taxpayers, which I guess the public 2178 01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,000 service announcement and and maybe this 2179 01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,480 is for the public more than the council 2180 01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:01,120 cuz we've discussed this. So, when you 2181 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:02,760 talk about PIDs, 2182 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,760 it is the public infrastructure. So, it 2183 01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,760 is not infrastructure 2184 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,960 specifically for them, but it's the the 2185 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,240 It's public streets and utilities. It's 2186 01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,600 utilities in the road. It's road. 2187 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:18,280 And this does not tie our hands in the nature of residential PIDs that 2188 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,080 we have not participated in. So far, our 2189 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,960 policy is to not allow residential PIDs. 2190 01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,480 Which is a different animal and then 2191 01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:26,680 than what we're talking about in these 2192 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:27,880 commercial 2193 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,760 uh discussions. So, maybe that's my 2194 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,840 public service announcement about PIDs 2195 01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,070 for public infrastructure. 2196 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,840 Questions for Von before we go into 2197 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,709 public hearing about this? 2198 01:18:41,719 --> 01:18:43,000 Thanks, Von. I'd entertain a motion 2199 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,160 going into public hearing for item C. 2200 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:46,600 So moved. 2201 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,520 Motion made by Councilman Euler. 2202 01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,680 Second. Seconded by Councilman Took. All 2203 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,960 in favor, say yes. Yes. We're in public 2204 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,400 hearing for item C. Anybody would like 2205 01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,000 to come up 2206 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,240 and speak uh about the resolution 2207 01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:02,920 authorizing the creation of Stockman 2208 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,040 Flats PID public infrastructure 2209 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,470 district. 2210 01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:09,800 Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion to 2211 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,880 go out of public hearing. So moved. 2212 01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,000 Motion made by Councilman 2213 01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,560 Carden. 2214 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,360 Second. Seconded by Councilman Euler. 2215 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,040 All in favor, say yes. Yes. 2216 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,880 >> Yes. Yes. Discussion back up here. 2217 01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:26,200 Any further questions for Vaughn? No. 2218 01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,960 Okay, I'd entertain a motion to approve 2219 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,110 item C. 2220 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,800 I move to approve the resolution 2221 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,600 authorizing the creation of the Sackman 2222 01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,880 Flats Public Infrastructure Districts 1 2223 01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,200 through 3 2224 01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:40,520 finding that such will further the 2225 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,760 public health, safety, and general well 2226 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,560 general welfare. 2227 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,000 Motion made by Councilman Euler. 2228 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:48,640 Second. 2229 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,440 >> Seconded by Councilman Took. The roll 2230 01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:52,040 call vote here. Councilman Euler. 2231 01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,320 Councilman Carden. Councilman Took. 2232 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,200 Councilman Marshall. And Councilwoman 2233 01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:56,680 Beck. 2234 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,640 >> Yes. Item C is approved. Takes us to D, 2235 01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,680 the ordinance to approve the Andy Ridge 2236 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,910 zone change. 2237 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,680 Once again, thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2238 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,480 It's a 3-acre site 2239 01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:11,000 located kind of right in the middle of 2240 01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,120 lots that have been developed by Sunrock 2241 01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:15,800 that I think we'll probably see homes 2242 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,040 start to be constructed on fairly soon. 2243 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,080 So, we're talking about the south end of 2244 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,200 the community. They're the old Clyde 2245 01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:24,200 uh 2246 01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,280 operation property there. I think they 2247 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:27,280 did a lot of different things there over 2248 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,600 the years. And again, now much of that's 2249 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,160 been developed and is nearly ready for 2250 01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,240 the construction of homes. So, 2251 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:36,960 this is a different property. It's not 2252 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,600 tied to the Sunrock project. 2253 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,520 Um as proposed, 2254 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:47,160 the subdivision There we go. 2255 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,640 Um 2256 01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:50,840 would 2257 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:51,800 uh 2258 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,080 be as you see here, there's an existing 2259 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,320 home on the subject property. That home 2260 01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,000 would remain on the large lot there on 2261 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,080 the southern end of the development. Um 2262 01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,120 the configuration of a few different 2263 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,240 things 2264 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,320 with the development is unique because 2265 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,520 the property is a little bit unique. You 2266 01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,120 have the new stub street coming in from 2267 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,440 the east, 2268 01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:12,880 which sets things up really nicely 2269 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,560 for the cul-de-sac. And you have the 2270 01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,920 existing home, which is accessed via I 2271 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,160 believe it's Quail Run Drive, um what's 2272 01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,320 essentially a private lane that then 2273 01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,600 ties into Wooden Hills Drive further to 2274 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,560 the west. Um 2275 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,880 as designed, that existing home would 2276 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,400 continue 2277 01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,720 to use Quail Run 2278 01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,440 for its access. All of the other lots 2279 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:40,160 would be accessed via the adjacent 2280 01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,800 subdivision. 2281 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,080 This is pretty straightforward. This is 2282 01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,960 straightforward even to the extent that 2283 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:46,920 um 2284 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,880 uh this is not a master planned 2285 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,760 development as proposed. There's a 2286 01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,480 little bit of a nuance there. 2287 01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,760 Um most of the time when you see a zone 2288 01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,200 change, you're also seeing a preliminary 2289 01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,920 plat with the zone change because 2290 01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,480 it's a unique kind of approval for a 2291 01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:04,320 subdivision. We call it a master planned 2292 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,520 development. Maybe it's not that unique. 2293 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,080 Most of what you see is that way. It's a 2294 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,280 special 2295 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,160 type of applying for subdivision 2296 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,680 approval. In this case, all of the lots 2297 01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,960 in the subdivision meet our criteria for 2298 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,520 subdivisions in the R112 zone. Sweet. 2299 01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,720 Therefore, it's not a master planned 2300 01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,480 it's a standard subdivision. And the 2301 01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:25,960 planning commission has approved the 2302 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:27,320 preliminary plat because they're the 2303 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:28,880 land use authority 2304 01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,520 for standard subdivisions. I think even 2305 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,840 by state code today, 2306 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,320 that can't be the city council that 2307 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,680 approves preliminary plats any longer. 2308 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:37,640 So, 2309 01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,440 we conform to state code. 2310 01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:42,160 Um so, the only thing that's before the 2311 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,760 council tonight, and this is still 2312 01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,360 the important thing, is a zone change. 2313 01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,040 So, the planning commission approved the 2314 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,600 preliminary plat subject to the city 2315 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,480 council approving the zone change. 2316 01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:56,920 Um that would have it be zoned R112 and 2317 01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:00,560 therefore have the lots conform. Um 2318 01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,080 and in that regard, this is a little bit 2319 01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,520 more straightforward than what you see 2320 01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,200 sometimes. 2321 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,480 I think everything still is within the 2322 01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:10,640 city council's purview in terms of how 2323 01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,040 the project is designed and different 2324 01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,840 things like that because 2325 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,680 it's still a legislative act to approve 2326 01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,880 the zone change. Um 2327 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,280 but uh maybe before I touch on one last 2328 01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,320 issue, do you guys have any questions 2329 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,390 about any of that? 2330 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,400 Nope. Didn't necessarily think so. 2331 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,480 Um 2332 01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:32,480 I'm going to go right down to here. 2333 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:33,800 I've got a little bit of correspondence 2334 01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,440 with a neighbor that owns property just 2335 01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,160 to the west of the subject property. 2336 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,480 They have a nice uh arena 2337 01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,680 that they use for horse riding, 2338 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,160 maybe some training and that type of a 2339 01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:46,320 thing there. 2340 01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,120 You know, what you do with arenas. 2341 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,280 Um and they're concerned about having a 2342 01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:51,720 new home 2343 01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,680 on one particular lot in the 2344 01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,160 development. I think it's lot four. 2345 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,880 Um as close to the arena, at least their 2346 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,200 backyard backing up right next to the 2347 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:02,400 arena, 2348 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,720 um without having 2349 01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,360 uh some additional kind of separation. 2350 01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:09,760 So, it'd be this property line right 2351 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:10,960 here, 2352 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:12,800 the rear lot line 2353 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,880 of that lot number four there. 2354 01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,720 And that property owner has simply 2355 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,720 requested that a fence be constructed 2356 01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,680 there 2357 01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,440 to provide 2358 01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:25,360 some kind of screening and to make it 2359 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,760 less likely that whoever moves into a 2360 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:29,840 new home on lot four 2361 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,520 um be happy living next to an arena that 2362 01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:34,880 occasionally gets a little bit dusty and 2363 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:35,920 you know, maybe it's a little bit loud 2364 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,720 from time to time or 2365 01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,600 the lights are are on and that sort of a 2366 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:40,720 thing. 2367 01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:41,920 And of course, a fence only does so 2368 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,720 much, but that's the ask. I've talked to 2369 01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,440 the applicant about that. 2370 01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:47,920 And 2371 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,760 uh he's comfortable with that condition 2372 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,920 that we just added to the presentation 2373 01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,800 today. So, what's what's here is a 2374 01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:55,760 little bit different than what we had in 2375 01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,320 the staff report. 2376 01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:58,960 That condition simply reads that a note 2377 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,280 be added to the final plat requiring the 2378 01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,160 construction of a 6-ft tall privacy 2379 01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,760 fence along the rear lot line of lot 2380 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,120 four prior to a certificate of occupancy 2381 01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:12,000 being issued for a home on that lot. 2382 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,320 And I think everybody is in agreement 2383 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:15,720 that's that would be a good thing, 2384 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,240 including the neighbor. 2385 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,840 I mean, to speak for Mr. Christensen, 2386 01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,040 still will 2387 01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,160 well, quickly. I mean, I can't entirely 2388 01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:23,360 speak for you. 2389 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,560 Um but I he would like the homeowner to 2390 01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:28,920 be able to decide what that fence looks 2391 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,160 like and what it's built out of and that 2392 01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:34,160 type of a thing. And that's why we've um 2393 01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,240 stipulated at least with what's 2394 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,320 proposed, that that fence be constructed 2395 01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:40,840 with the construction of the home on the 2396 01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,000 lot rather than just have him go put up 2397 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,120 a white vinyl fence now. So, 2398 01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,440 Better. I get it. 2399 01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:49,720 That's better. 2400 01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,240 Hoping to avoid the last issue that we 2401 01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,040 had, right? [laughter] Oh, that's Dave. 2402 01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,160 Well done. 2403 01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:59,200 We've seen even down in our neighborhood 2404 01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,800 where you've had 2405 01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,120 a fence that's been put up with the 2406 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,760 trail that leads back to the river 2407 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,480 trail, but no properties or homes on 2408 01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:11,000 either side. But for whatever reason, 2409 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,000 the fence was put in first. And over the 2410 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,840 years, because no homes were built, that 2411 01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,680 fence got demolished. And so, I think 2412 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,400 doing it this way is a much better way. 2413 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,200 Great. Is that 2414 01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:23,840 the Euler kids to blame for that 2415 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:24,640 demolished fence? 2416 01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,760 >> been. I hope not, but I'm not going to 2417 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,590 Don't dig too deep. 2418 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,160 Thank you, Dave. Any questions for Dave 2419 01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,680 before public hearing on this item? 2420 01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,880 I'd entertain a motion to go in a public 2421 01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,520 hearing for item D. 2422 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,560 So moved. Motion made by Councilwoman 2423 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,120 Beck. Second. 2424 01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:45,720 >> Seconded by Councilman Marshall. All in 2425 01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,440 favor, say yes. 2426 01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:49,520 We're in public hearing. The applicant's 2427 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:50,680 here. I don't know if the applicant 2428 01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,400 would like to speak. You don't have to 2429 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,400 necessarily, but uh 2430 01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,000 Did he Okay. 2431 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,520 perfect. Thank you, Mr. Christian. 2432 01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,960 Christensen, is it? Okay. 2433 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,840 Uh Anybody else from the public would 2434 01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,880 like to speak to this item? 2435 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,200 Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion to 2436 01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:07,640 go out of public hearing. 2437 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,880 So moved. Motion made by Councilman 2438 01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:10,840 Took. Second. 2439 01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,440 >> Seconded by Councilman Carden. All in 2440 01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:14,720 favor, say yes. Yes. 2441 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,760 Discussion back up here. Anything else 2442 01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,440 to add to what Dave's laid out? 2443 01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:22,400 Another easy one. Okay. 2444 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,600 I'd entertain a motion for item D. I 2445 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,560 move to approve the proposed ordinance 2446 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,040 for the zone change of the Andy Ridge 2447 01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,560 subdivision 2448 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,600 based on the findings listed in the 2449 01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,640 staff report. 2450 01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,080 And that finding about the fence is 2451 01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,200 listed there, right? Um it's 2452 01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,520 >> And adding the condition about adding a 2453 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,080 fence to property or lot number four. 2454 01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,400 Perfect. 2455 01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,360 Okay. Motion made and edited by 2456 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,040 Councilman Carden. Do I have a second? 2457 01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:51,760 >> Second. Seconded by Councilman Took. A 2458 01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,920 roll call vote here. Councilwoman Beck. 2459 01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,400 Councilman Marshall. Councilman Took. 2460 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,160 Councilman Carden. And Councilman Euler. 2461 01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:59,880 Yes. 2462 01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:03,960 D is approved. Thank you. Appreciate it. 2463 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,320 Okay, now we're on to new business item 2464 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,600 of our agenda, the Dennis McGraw fence 2465 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,040 height approval request. I think these 2466 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,800 are some of Shane's favorite approvals. 2467 01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:15,800 They are my favorite. 2468 01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:17,960 >> We have We have definitely been elected 2469 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,280 to talk about fences every You know, the 2470 01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,480 shorts of counts, the summary updates of 2471 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,760 council meetings where he says, "And 2472 01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,080 then we talked about fencing some more." 2473 01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:32,230 They're pretty good. 2474 01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,760 I don't know where that's coming from. 2475 01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,800 I signed and not tied to fences. 2476 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:37,520 It It started 2477 01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:38,719 >> No, let's talk about fences. 2478 01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:40,520 >> It started when Jordan started talking 2479 01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:45,910 earlier. I think it's Jordan. 2480 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,160 I can't. 2481 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,440 I I I want to circle back to the concept 2482 01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:53,000 of the council being involved in this. I 2483 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,640 You're trying to I'm pushing the 2484 01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,040 discussion that way, but 2485 01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,800 Yes. But for me, this is a 2486 01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:02,320 the idea that 2487 01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:06,440 a city council would hear this. 2488 01:29:06,440 --> 01:29:09,200 says a lot about what Spanish Fork 2489 01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,800 was like 30 years 2490 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,840 when this criteria like 2491 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:13,920 You know what I mean? 2492 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,400 Small community when the council wanted 2493 01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:17,960 to have 2494 01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:19,960 Pardon This was already done back when 2495 01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:21,720 you were here. This was in place 20 2496 01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,400 years ago and it wasn't new then. 2497 01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,680 I'm guessing at 30, it might be 40. 2498 01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,720 Shane makes a motion that we no longer 2499 01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:30,920 do that. 2500 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,760 But we we changed with the industrial 2501 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,000 zones 2502 01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,240 to where 2503 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,800 those no longer come before the council. 2504 01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,320 Uh so it's a matter of would you be 2505 01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,000 concerned if somebody put up a fence 2506 01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,760 that's taller than 6 ft? I don't think 2507 01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,080 we brought 2508 01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,400 anything to the council for approval 2509 01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,160 in a residential zone that's been taller 2510 01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:50,600 than 8 ft. 2511 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,840 I take that back. There once was a fence 2512 01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:54,280 next to a sports court that somebody 2513 01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,200 wanted to put up at like 16 ft or 2514 01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:57,640 something like that. 2515 01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:58,680 It's almost more like netting than 2516 01:29:58,680 --> 01:29:59,440 fencing, but 2517 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:01,320 >> I can't believe people ask. But I think 2518 01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,840 it's something that the if they do ask, 2519 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,280 right? DRC would be more equipped to 2520 01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:09,040 answer this question, in my opinion. 2521 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:10,640 Is it the question to get the permit to 2522 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,160 put the fence up like if you're hiring 2523 01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:13,320 somebody and they say, "Well, you 2524 01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:14,280 >> That's probably what happens. The 2525 01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,320 contractor says, Yeah. Yeah. Can I 2526 01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:17,560 legally do this? They're like, "Sure you 2527 01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:22,190 can." 2528 01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:23,760 Anyway, let's This is what happens in 2529 01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,480 the city. Hey Jordan, here. Yeah. 2530 01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,960 Do you have that presentation still? 2531 01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:29,440 You put a presentation together for a 2532 01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:30,200 fence? 2533 01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:30,840 >> One more slide. 2534 01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,720 >> on it's in the minutes. Yeah, we've got 2535 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,000 it here. Not that we necessarily need 2536 01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,320 it. 2537 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:40,280 There is a property line. 2538 01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,000 Of course. 2539 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,040 It is. Yes. 2540 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:46,840 But where do I go to see 2541 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,160 It's Click to add title. That's it. 2542 01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:49,662 Right there. 2543 01:30:49,662 --> 01:30:50,800 >> [laughter] 2544 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,800 >> Click the one above. 2545 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:53,440 What's third 2546 01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:55,280 >> There you go. Okay, cool. Make that as 2547 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,640 big as you can real quick. Thanks. See, 2548 01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,560 this speaks for itself. 2549 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:00,720 They're next to the swimming pool, the 2550 01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,560 property owner 2551 01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:04,360 next to the lot 2552 01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,280 that has a swimming 2553 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:08,760 pool. 2554 01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,160 Um so it's not the folks that have the 2555 01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:12,560 pool that want the 8-ft fence, but the 2556 01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,160 ones next to them. 2557 01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,360 They want to put up an 8-ft fence on a 2558 01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,280 portion of that side yard property line, 2559 01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:20,680 not the whole way, 2560 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,360 uh but a portion of the side yard 2561 01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:24,160 property line that runs closest to the 2562 01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:25,520 swimming pool. 2563 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,920 The rest would be a chain link fence. 2564 01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,720 The 8-ft fence actually would be a 2565 01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,960 masonry wall. There images of that uh 2566 01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:34,960 included with what was delivered with 2567 01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,320 the agenda. 2568 01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,080 I 2569 01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,440 Any concerns about that? No, that's That 2570 01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:41,800 looks great. 2571 01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,240 Okay. So, today 2572 01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,480 the code would require the city council 2573 01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:49,920 to approve this before we would issue a 2574 01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,600 fence permit. 2575 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,400 If you'd like to see that changed, Yes. 2576 01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:55,560 tell me now, tell me later. 2577 01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,960 >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay. I Yeah, I think 2578 01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,240 staff can handle Yeah, they're good 2579 01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:01,760 enough. You 2580 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,240 use your discretion to Yeah. 2581 01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,360 Make good decisions. Growing up, that's 2582 01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,680 how I got it. Really, that's [laughter] 2583 01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,680 I like Kevin. I think staff could handle 2584 01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:11,280 this one. 2585 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,480 >> I think they can. 2586 01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:14,480 So, does this 2587 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:17,390 require a motion 2588 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,160 Does this have a motion that needs to be 2589 01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,440 made or is this 2590 01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:22,520 It does. Okay, so tonight I apologize. 2591 01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,560 It would be just to approve the Tonight 2592 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,160 there is a a motion that needs to be 2593 01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:30,040 made to to approve this request. 2594 01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:31,280 It might be the last time you're making 2595 01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,360 it. It'll be your last time ever. Take 2596 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,160 it, Shane. You know you want it. I'm not 2597 01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,120 doing it. I'll do it. Out of principle. 2598 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,520 I move that we approve 2599 01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,680 the adjustments for the 8-ft fence for 2600 01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:45,000 the 2601 01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,720 Dennis McGraw property. Motion made by 2602 01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,000 Councilman Oyler. Second. 2603 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,440 >> Seconded by Councilwoman Beck. Roll call 2604 01:32:52,440 --> 01:32:54,480 vote here. Councilwoman Beck. Yes. 2605 01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:57,440 Councilman Marshall. Yes. In protest. He 2606 01:32:57,440 --> 01:32:59,200 said that. Councilman Duke. 2607 01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:00,080 >> Yes. Councilman Carden. 2608 01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:01,974 >> Yes. And Councilman Oyler. Yes. 2609 01:33:01,974 --> 01:33:02,880 >> [clears throat] 2610 01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,360 >> It is approved for Tim McGraw's niece. 2611 01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:07,920 That would have been better. 2612 01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,080 Yeah. 2613 01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:09,840 It's not Tim. 2614 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,320 >> Ask Dennis. Maybe they're related. 2615 01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:15,270 Or yeah. 2616 01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,640 Okay. Two discussion items here. The 2617 01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:21,080 transportation utility fee. 2618 01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:22,920 Mr. Corey Pierce. 2619 01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,120 And then project signage plans as well, 2620 01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,430 but let's start with A. 2621 01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:30,960 Thank you, Mayor, Council. 2622 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,240 Um tonight we wanted just bring in front 2623 01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,640 of you some updates. We've been talking 2624 01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,680 for I think a few years 2625 01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:40,520 about the idea of a transportation 2626 01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,080 utility fee. 2627 01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,560 Um 2628 01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,600 on the state level, they've been looking 2629 01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,000 at it for a few years 2630 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,800 and now have passed some legislation. 2631 01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,840 So, uh we wanted to talk about it in a 2632 01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,560 discussion 2633 01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,760 uh what Spanish Fork's looking looking 2634 01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,760 to do and and what the requirements are. 2635 01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,880 Um one of the challenges with roadways, 2636 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,400 streets, 2637 01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,320 um in funding them is it's really 2638 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,960 difficult to tie it to users. 2639 01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:11,320 Um 2640 01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,040 in [clears throat] the water fund, we 2641 01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,600 track and can measure the amount of 2642 01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,360 gallons that people use and we can apply 2643 01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,000 a cost and and be able to 2644 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:19,800 uh 2645 01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,160 share the appropriate cost with them. 2646 01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:25,080 With streets, businesses use them, 2647 01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:26,960 people coming in town to businesses use 2648 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:28,920 them, residents use them. 2649 01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,440 Um so traditionally, 2650 01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:33,560 that has been taken care of by a gas 2651 01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,480 tax. Um and we'll talk a little bit more 2652 01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,280 about that, why that's becoming more of 2653 01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:39,600 a problem 2654 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,240 statewide across many cities and and how 2655 01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:43,760 we fund 2656 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,480 one of the most critical infrastructure 2657 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:47,800 we have. It's the most visible. It's the 2658 01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:49,000 most 2659 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,280 uh number one complaint, whether it be 2660 01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,040 traffic or whether it be potholes or or 2661 01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,480 different things in the roadway. Um it's 2662 01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:59,520 high visibility uh 2663 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,640 and really a huge asset for how we 2664 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:04,480 operate. 2665 01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:07,240 So, the state's been looking at at this 2666 01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,320 for a while. This year, 2667 01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:10,440 um 2668 01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:12,560 Representative Peterson 2669 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:16,440 uh introduced House Bill 425 that got 2670 01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:18,240 approved this year. Um I think it's a 2671 01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,040 great thing that has been worked on by a 2672 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,200 lot of people for a long time. One of 2673 01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,480 the biggest challenges was defining a 2674 01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:28,200 fee versus a tax 2675 01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,920 and the desire that this uh a 2676 01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,360 transportation utility fee 2677 01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,080 not operate, feel like, or look like a 2678 01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:37,760 property tax. 2679 01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,520 So, a fee in a transportation utility 2680 01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,440 fee um is a fee for using the roads and 2681 01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:45,960 it should be assessed to people who use 2682 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,840 the roads versus a property tax that is 2683 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,720 general by everyone 2684 01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:53,720 um as you guys well understand. 2685 01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,600 So, what does House Bill 425 do? 2686 01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:57,840 Um 2687 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,600 it really just provides the process to 2688 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,240 implement a transportation utility fee, 2689 01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,440 provides those guardrails to make sure 2690 01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:07,560 they're implemented correctly, 2691 01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,760 um that they're fair, 2692 01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,120 um and it creates a dedicated fund for 2693 01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,640 managing streets that is controlled by 2694 01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,840 the city that's funding the streets. 2695 01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,720 Um so again, it's user-based and it has 2696 01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,040 to be tied to the use. 2697 01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:27,080 That's really important. Um the funds 2698 01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:28,920 can be used for planning, construction, 2699 01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:33,160 maintenance, a lot of things to take care of existing roadways. The 2700 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,360 intent isn't to expand out into areas or 2701 01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,000 expand there, but to help manage the 2702 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,400 roadways that are currently 2703 01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:42,880 being used. 2704 01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,240 Um some of the key requirements and 2705 01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,320 there's a lot in it if you read the full 2706 01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,600 bill, but some of the ones I wanted to 2707 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,120 highlight, the fee has to match or we 2708 01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:53,640 have to show 2709 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,440 that it matches the service or the 2710 01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:58,320 benefit that someone's receiving. So, 2711 01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,720 there's a few ways to do that um that 2712 01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,000 we'll talk about in a minute. Um it can 2713 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,040 fund multiple streets. It It's not like 2714 01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,960 one that is funded to take care of Main 2715 01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,000 Street, but nothing else. It can fund 2716 01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,680 multiple facilities or streets in the 2717 01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:13,000 city. 2718 01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,160 And it's important because it creates 2719 01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,440 stable, reliable funding 2720 01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:19,560 um so that we can plan and maintain our 2721 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,600 streets correctly. 2722 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,080 Um and it also creates a fairness 2723 01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:30,480 that is really hard to create otherwise. 2724 01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:34,160 Um so, to implement one, a study has to 2725 01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,120 be done and there's some specific uh 2726 01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,200 requirements for that study. 2727 01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,200 Um it has to be adopted by ordinance 2728 01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:45,040 um and there has to be a tracking system 2729 01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:46,840 and quite a bit to ensure that it's done 2730 01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:48,120 correctly. 2731 01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:50,320 As we look into what this study must 2732 01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,840 look like and the process to go through, 2733 01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,080 the study has to determine a reasonable 2734 01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:58,760 estimate of the needs for the new fee. 2735 01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,360 Um it has to identify existing funding 2736 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,680 sour- funding sources and why they're 2737 01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,680 not adequate to continue to maintain the 2738 01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:06,960 system. 2739 01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:08,719 So, it's to fill that shortfall of 2740 01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:09,960 funding. 2741 01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:11,480 Um 2742 01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:14,120 and it needs to determine whether and 2743 01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:17,080 explain how the tough is reasonably 2744 01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,040 related to the services provided. 2745 01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,360 So, the study has to show how a 2746 01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,520 residential home, how that fee is 2747 01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,520 assessed versus a business and otherwise 2748 01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:27,880 tied to 2749 01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,360 uh transportation. 2750 01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,080 Uh the study, 2751 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,000 once it's approved 2752 01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,280 um by resolution, should the city 2753 01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,960 council do that, it has to be posted on 2754 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:40,800 the city's website 2755 01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:42,880 and then there's some annual 2756 01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,360 requirements to review how it's doing 2757 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,160 and submit that to the state auditor. 2758 01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:49,680 So, I know Jordan's looked into this a 2759 01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,120 little bit and how we might create a 2760 01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:54,120 fund that's tracked separately and 2761 01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:57,400 clearly that will make that reporting 2762 01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:58,520 uh 2763 01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:01,360 clear to the auditor and meet the the 2764 01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,430 House Bill. 2765 01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:06,160 Feel free to ask me questions as we go 2766 01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,560 along if you have any. Um just a few 2767 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,800 other things to pull out. Uh it requires 2768 01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,640 that rates 2769 01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,160 use different classifications, at a 2770 01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,640 minimum separate residential 2771 01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,320 from commercial. 2772 01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:21,760 So, that we're looking at those and it's 2773 01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,720 just not a city-wide 2774 01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,600 uh, fee for each user, but we're 2775 01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:28,320 actually looking at different 2776 01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:29,880 classifications and how the roads are 2777 01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,320 used. 2778 01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:33,280 Um, 2779 01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,520 there's a public hearing requirement. 2780 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,800 That's something we'll look to bond help 2781 01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:39,640 make sure we meet correctly, but it's 2782 01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:41,960 similar to the process of 2783 01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,960 the budget that you see every year. 2784 01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:46,600 It also asked to 2785 01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:50,760 establish a way for users to appeal 2786 01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:54,400 or challenge the classification that 2787 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,400 they're put into. 2788 01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:59,080 And so, if if our studies say that they 2789 01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,200 should be in this category of 500 trips 2790 01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:03,880 a day and they can 2791 01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,440 go through an appeal process to show 2792 01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:08,000 that they're 100 trips a day, 2793 01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,880 uh, has to be able to provide that 2794 01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:12,400 process. 2795 01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,240 Um, again, it has to be in a dedicated 2796 01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:16,640 revenue, 2797 01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:17,520 uh, 2798 01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,960 dedicated, uh, fund 2799 01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,960 to deposit and pay things out of so you 2800 01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,720 can make sure it's being used correctly. 2801 01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,040 Uh, and then the annual review to the 2802 01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:31,040 state auditor. And then also, 2803 01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,280 it will expire in 10 years. Now, I 2804 01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,920 expect we will be reviewing this every 2805 01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:39,360 year or two or in the annual review if 2806 01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,400 there needs to change 2807 01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,760 or if we find that it's funding more 2808 01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,200 than we thought or less than we thought, 2809 01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,640 we would update the study and bring that 2810 01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,440 back and renew that uh, 2811 01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:54,830 approval. 2812 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,320 Um, any questions on the house bill or 2813 01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,440 what the study requires? I think you 2814 01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:01,480 probably have all been following it as 2815 01:41:01,480 --> 01:41:03,680 it's worked through the years. Uh, just 2816 01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:05,760 a few thoughts on why it's needed and 2817 01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,600 why we are considering this in Spanish 2818 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,760 Fork and staff will propose this to the 2819 01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:12,160 council. 2820 01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:14,800 I think streets and traffic 2821 01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,360 and all things that go with that are the 2822 01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,120 number one concern of our residents. 2823 01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:20,800 Um, and it's getting harder and harder 2824 01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,520 to fund and maintain the roads in the 2825 01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:24,800 way that we enjoy today. 2826 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,030 Um, 2827 01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,680 today we spend just in maintaining the 2828 01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:34,240 roads just shy of $2 million. 2829 01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:37,480 Um, and that is continually growing. 2830 01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:39,520 Not only with inflation and construction 2831 01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:41,960 costs, but also each development's 2832 01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,400 approved, there's another section of 2833 01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,640 road that has to be maintained. 2834 01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,160 Um, 2835 01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,040 and that cost is just continuing to go 2836 01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:51,000 up. 2837 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,360 Today, a lot of costs in a lot of 2838 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,320 cities, including our ours, is 2839 01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,360 subsidized by other funds or different 2840 01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,040 ways, um, 2841 01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,680 to be able to help fund the roads. 2842 01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,880 Um, and the tough 2843 01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:06,840 gives us the ability to have streets and 2844 01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,400 the street utility pay for it and create 2845 01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:13,560 that fairness that is important. 2846 01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:15,400 Um, 2847 01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,400 one of the aspect of the funding not 2848 01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:21,000 growing as quick as the the cost to 2849 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,960 maintain 2850 01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,080 is the way we are using the roads and 2851 01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,440 the vehicles we're using today. 2852 01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:28,400 Um, 2853 01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,800 over the last 20 to 30 years, we are not 2854 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:33,920 purchasing as much fuel. 2855 01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:35,320 Certainly, our cars are getting more 2856 01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:36,840 efficient or even turning to 2857 01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:38,480 electricity. 2858 01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:40,800 Um, 2859 01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:41,960 however, 2860 01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:43,800 the roadway costs have continued to go 2861 01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,200 up and we've continued to expand 2862 01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,200 and the fuel tax isn't increasing with 2863 01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,480 that. The fuel tax is staying flat, 2864 01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:54,120 costs are going up and we're buying less 2865 01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:56,280 fuel and it it just really has created a 2866 01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,160 problem for cities to maintain, 2867 01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:01,280 including ours. 2868 01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:03,640 Um, so we've been working on this, 2869 01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,120 watching the legislation for a while. 2870 01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:07,880 We've been developing a framework that 2871 01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:09,120 we feel 2872 01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:10,600 would be appropriate for a 2873 01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,880 transportation utility fee. 2874 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,920 Um, we're ensuring it matches House Bill 2875 01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:17,560 425. 2876 01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:20,080 We've identified some priorities and 2877 01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:21,840 we'll be bringing that to you in a study 2878 01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,520 in the future. 2879 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:25,960 Um, 2880 01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:28,080 and we really like 2881 01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,160 the idea of proposing to reduce reliance 2882 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:32,480 on subsidies from other utilities to be 2883 01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:34,680 able to clearly show 2884 01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:36,840 what our streets cost us and how they're 2885 01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:40,000 being paid for in a transparent manner. 2886 01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,320 Um, 2887 01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,320 we're still honing in on the details and 2888 01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,920 we've been discussing with with council. 2889 01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:47,800 You know, we feel like 2890 01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:49,720 we need to be somewhere in the range of 2891 01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,800 a million dollars to 1.5 million dollars 2892 01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:54,800 uh, once this is fully implemented for a 2893 01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:55,800 year. 2894 01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:57,120 Uh, 2895 01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:59,320 at this point where it's looking like 2896 01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:00,640 these 2897 01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:04,360 AADT buckets or this range of, 2898 01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:08,040 uh, trips per day is what we may target 2899 01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,040 um, or propose. 2900 01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,120 You can see how many units, residential, 2901 01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:13,520 churches and schools, and then 2902 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,640 commercial are in each of those 2903 01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,160 categories 2904 01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:19,600 and they're to the right what that 2905 01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:23,440 annual and monthly cost might look like 2906 01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:25,800 in our town based on the users that are 2907 01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:26,880 here 2908 01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,160 today. 2909 01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,800 Um, this this data is from about a year 2910 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,880 ago. So, as we update the study 2911 01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:36,800 and review it, that may change a little 2912 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,240 bit with the number of users and 2913 01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,560 therefore trickle down to 2914 01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,440 cost, but this is pretty close to the 2915 01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:44,000 numbers we've been seeing in the various 2916 01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,440 studies. 2917 01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:46,520 Um, 2918 01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:48,600 so that's that's what I've prepared 2919 01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,560 today to kind of 2920 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,520 talk about House Bill 425 and the need 2921 01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,200 and the potential impact here in Spanish 2922 01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:58,640 Fork City. So, 2923 01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,280 any questions or guidance you'd like to 2924 01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,880 pass on as we try to put a study 2925 01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,440 together, anything you'd like us to 2926 01:45:06,440 --> 01:45:07,840 watch 2927 01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,800 closely for and implement in there to 2928 01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,320 make sure we 2929 01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:13,920 cover all the needs. Or you just 2930 01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,600 mentioned it expires after 10 years, 2931 01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:17,960 what's the process for that to be 2932 01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,120 renewed? Um, 2933 01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:22,240 it would just be another study that's 2934 01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:25,000 approved by ordinance. That's 2935 01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,320 perhaps my assumption, Bond, 2936 01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:30,200 but I I picture us talking about this 2937 01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:33,160 well before 10 years. I think the idea 2938 01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:34,360 is 2939 01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,800 these fees as the city grows, it can't 2940 01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:41,200 be a never-ending just growing source if 2941 01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:42,880 you still have to go back and show a 2942 01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:44,160 need 2943 01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:44,960 and 2944 01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,000 >> So, if 5 years down the road, we do 2945 01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,800 another study and then adjustment, does 2946 01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,080 that then bump it an additional 10 years 2947 01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:51,920 before we require 2948 01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,240 >> Yes. I think each ordinance would 2949 01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:57,120 authorize the 10 years. 2950 01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:58,813 Yep. 2951 01:45:58,813 --> 01:46:00,080 >> [clears throat] 2952 01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,240 >> Good question. You have to 2953 01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:05,960 fix the user cost 2954 01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:09,000 one time for 10 years or can you do it 2955 01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:10,880 every year? 2956 01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,080 I'll have to read it with that. I don't 2957 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,240 think so. I think the study can show 2958 01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:16,520 that and show the growth, but in our 2959 01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:19,480 annual review, we'll have to do that. I 2960 01:46:19,480 --> 01:46:20,720 don't know, Bond, if you have any 2961 01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:23,080 thoughts on that. I I think as long as 2962 01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,960 the study's justified and shown, 2963 01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:28,400 I think the city council will have 2964 01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,120 plenty of 2965 01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:32,240 leeway to implement it in the way you 2966 01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:32,800 choose. 2967 01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:34,640 >> On an annual basis if we wanted to. On 2968 01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:36,440 an annual basis if you wanted to. 2969 01:46:36,440 --> 01:46:38,400 >> Okay. 2970 01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:39,880 I think it's important and maybe you 2971 01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:41,520 said this, but just to bring it out 2972 01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,840 further, we're spending money on our 2973 01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:45,280 roads today. 2974 01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:46,600 And I think 2975 01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:48,360 the way we go about getting that money 2976 01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:51,080 is a little bit disconnected to the user 2977 01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,400 that uses that facility. I think this is 2978 01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:58,200 a great policy in that it more directly 2979 01:46:58,200 --> 01:46:59,800 those that are using the the system pay 2980 01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:02,080 for it. Yeah. I think that's a that's 2981 01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,080 good policy to make. It is, I mean, the 2982 01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,240 argument you can make the argument that 2983 01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:07,920 my house is 2984 01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,520 not 100 ADT or it's 2985 01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,480 you know, small fraction of it, but you 2986 01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:13,880 have to have some bands in there and I 2987 01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:15,840 think this makes sense. I like the 2988 01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,360 concept a lot. Um, 2989 01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,750 it's an 2990 01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,000 be just an opportunity to just take what 2991 01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,880 we're spending and be very deliberate 2992 01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:27,760 about why we're spending and where we 2993 01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,160 spend. So, 2994 01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,200 um, lot of opportunities, but we your 2995 01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,000 number your first slide was spot on. The 2996 01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,960 number one complaint we get is 2997 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:36,520 roads and traffic. 2998 01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:38,520 And this could have an impact on meeting 2999 01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,240 that need. Yep. 3000 01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:42,360 I think the discussions that have 3001 01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:43,960 happened for 3002 01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:47,680 a while in legislation of this is just what you pointed out and just 3003 01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,120 what's been mentioned, the 3004 01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,640 trying to line up the user with the fee 3005 01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:52,840 and there's 3006 01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:56,440 users that drive roads uh, in every 3007 01:47:56,440 --> 01:47:59,400 city, including ours, that don't pay 3008 01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,480 you know, property tax, let's say, or 3009 01:48:01,480 --> 01:48:03,120 don't don't pay different fees like we 3010 01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,120 do. And so, now this is trying to line 3011 01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:07,520 that up and say, "Here's a cost 3012 01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,240 uh, that that you need to pay, so it's 3013 01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:14,200 not just a a burden on the residential property taxpayers." 3014 01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,840 >> And while it's hard, you know, this is 3015 01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,280 within town and property owners in town 3016 01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:22,960 that have utility services, right? Um, 3017 01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:27,320 but looking at that higher tier, the 601 3018 01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:29,880 plus, those are big users that are 3019 01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,000 attracting people 3020 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,200 potentially from all over the valley, 3021 01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:35,880 um, and further. 3022 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:38,040 Uh, that is a higher cost because 3023 01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:39,480 they're driving more 3024 01:48:39,480 --> 01:48:40,080 uh, 3025 01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:41,680 traffic. 3026 01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:43,480 And I expect some of that cost may be 3027 01:48:43,480 --> 01:48:46,360 passed on to those who visit those 3028 01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:48,360 facilities. 3029 01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,320 And what I like about that and the 3030 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,080 reason I mention is if someone comes 3031 01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:53,840 from a neighboring town or a neighboring 3032 01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,200 city 3033 01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,640 and spends their money in a facility 3034 01:48:57,640 --> 01:48:59,480 that's there and those costs are getting 3035 01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:02,000 passed on, it's a way of gathering money 3036 01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,480 from those who aren't living here, 3037 01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:06,520 accounting in some way 3038 01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,720 for those using the roads. It's not a 3039 01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:11,480 direct to that person driving, but 3040 01:49:11,480 --> 01:49:13,840 I think there is a trickle-down effect. 3041 01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,840 Um in the same sense, 3042 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,560 if I am a constant user, I live in town, 3043 01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:20,360 and I have my fee, 3044 01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,120 but I shop at some of the places that 3045 01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,480 are very high, and my neighbor may not. 3046 01:49:25,480 --> 01:49:26,960 Again, that creates a little more 3047 01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:32,640 fairness even within town. So, I it's better today with 3048 01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,080 um other funds helping. 3049 01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:37,640 Uh water fund helps maintain the roads 3050 01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:39,160 because they're tearing them up all the 3051 01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:41,480 time. Um and that's an an appropriate 3052 01:49:41,480 --> 01:49:43,080 thing to do, 3053 01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,120 but as that gets passed on to water 3054 01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:46,400 users, 3055 01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,800 the way people use water may not match 3056 01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,600 the way they drive down the streets. 3057 01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:54,160 And so, that could create where 3058 01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:56,560 some users are subsidizing others 3059 01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,080 because of the way they drive 3060 01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:01,440 and create traffic. So, 3061 01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:03,720 it it just really is a more transparent, 3062 01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,120 fair way 3063 01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:11,790 to assess the streets fund. 3064 01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:13,880 Any other questions from Mr. Pierce on 3065 01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:16,560 this as he continues to study it, and we 3066 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,560 have public hearings on this coming up 3067 01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:22,240 as the studies come out. 3068 01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:23,800 I had one thought. I don't know if I can 3069 01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:25,360 articulate it, but I'm just thinking 3070 01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,520 like parks, um 3071 01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,200 public facilities, 3072 01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:31,760 the cities are not paying anything into 3073 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,080 this. The so, the residential and 3074 01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,960 commercial will just cover the need for 3075 01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:38,680 those street repairs in front of those 3076 01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,160 areas, I'm assuming. 3077 01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:42,880 Yes, because they're used by all the 3078 01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:44,520 city. However, 3079 01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,400 a facility like we're standing in today 3080 01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:49,720 can be assessed, and I expect will be 3081 01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:52,080 with their utility bill. Just like we 3082 01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:53,880 pay a water bill for the water used in 3083 01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:55,400 this facility, 3084 01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:57,240 I would expect the same. 3085 01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:00,840 Um a park is a little harder to direct 3086 01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:03,000 that to. Yeah, I was just curious to see 3087 01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,000 how 3088 01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:05,520 that's 3089 01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,320 Yeah, and it and it would be like having 3090 01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:10,400 yeah, taking one out of one pocket and 3091 01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,040 pocketing it into the other. It's That's 3092 01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:13,560 a difficult one. I'm 3093 01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,160 not sure we've addressed that, but we'll 3094 01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:17,440 certainly look at that as we study and 3095 01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:20,120 ask that question to the consultants. 3096 01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:24,550 It's a great question. Question. 3097 01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:25,680 Okay. 3098 01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:27,960 Nothing else from Mr. Pierce. 3099 01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:29,720 Thanks, Corey. Good information. We'll 3100 01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:32,080 look forward to more of it. 3101 01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:33,920 Item B, before we go into adjourned to 3102 01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,880 close session, project signage plans, 3103 01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:43,310 Mr. David Anderson. 3104 01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:44,880 On project signage plans, really it's 3105 01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:46,720 just kind of a heads-up. 3106 01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:48,680 I think that's why city manager asked me 3107 01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:50,280 to take a minute tonight to talk about 3108 01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:51,400 that. 3109 01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,920 But before that, I I wanted to mention 3110 01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:56,640 that 3111 01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:58,400 there is a joint 3112 01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,080 planning commission city council meeting 3113 01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:05,200 scheduled for the 12th of May. 3114 01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:08,360 The agenda looks outstanding. 3115 01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:08,760 I bet it 3116 01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:09,800 >> So, I wanted to make sure that everybody 3117 01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:11,280 got a chance to put it on your calendar 3118 01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:14,360 soon, early. Uh that's one of two joint 3119 01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:15,600 meetings that we have calendared for 3120 01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:17,960 2026. 3121 01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:19,720 I hope y'all can make it. If you can't, 3122 01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:23,960 I'd be happy to go through like a very, thorough, full debrief afterwards. 3123 01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:24,960 So, 3124 01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:26,960 um anyway, 3125 01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:29,280 5:30 on the 12th of May, 3126 01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:30,800 right next door. 3127 01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,480 Project signage plans. 3128 01:52:33,480 --> 01:52:36,080 We have requirements that limit signs to 3129 01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:39,400 a certain height, that limit properties 3130 01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,160 to only be able to have a certain number 3131 01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,560 of signs. Like Like for example, at 3132 01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:44,960 McDonald's, 3133 01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,600 they might have a big, tall pole sign um 3134 01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:51,480 on one street that they front, and maybe 3135 01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:53,840 along another street, they might have a 3136 01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,960 smaller monument type of a sign. And we 3137 01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:58,440 have criteria that define what people 3138 01:52:58,440 --> 01:53:00,440 can have in terms of the numbers of 3139 01:53:00,440 --> 01:53:03,360 signs and how big they can be. 3140 01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:04,920 We have been working with a couple of 3141 01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:06,160 different 3142 01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:08,280 businesses, 3143 01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:10,760 one of which is in Spanish Fork today, 3144 01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:11,920 the other 3145 01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:13,760 is also, but they they're not at the 3146 01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,880 location that we're talking about. And 3147 01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:19,120 this is really weird for me. I apologize 3148 01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:22,760 that I'm not using the names. It makes 3149 01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:24,600 this really awkward. 3150 01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:26,440 Um I'm afraid it makes it maybe 3151 01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:29,680 meaningless for you, but um 3152 01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:31,520 we're working hard to keep an existing 3153 01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:33,520 company in Spanish Fork. 3154 01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,480 And in order for them to stay in Spanish 3155 01:53:35,480 --> 01:53:36,760 Fork, they need to be able to expand, 3156 01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:38,120 which means they have to move. They 3157 01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:42,560 don't have room on their site to do what they need to do to stay 3158 01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:44,040 operating. 3159 01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:45,280 They found a site that they want to move 3160 01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:47,240 on, and there's a company that would 3161 01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:49,920 backfill, so to speak, their location. 3162 01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,720 Um and therefore, it's kind of a 3163 01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:54,040 two-party deal that would make 3164 01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:55,840 everything work. It's very, very 3165 01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,200 time-sensitive. 3166 01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:00,240 So, we have to have 3167 01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:03,280 um approvals in place by the first week 3168 01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:04,720 in June 3169 01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:06,640 for both 3170 01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:09,000 the new site that the existing business 3171 01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,520 would locate on, 3172 01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:12,040 and the site 3173 01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:13,360 that will be backfilled by a different 3174 01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:14,560 company. 3175 01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:16,080 And the short version is that even 3176 01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:17,560 though we have 3177 01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,280 really explicit signage criteria, 3178 01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,640 there's something something that um 3179 01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:24,520 council quite a while ago approved, 3180 01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:26,560 which allows 3181 01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,280 councils to 3182 01:54:28,280 --> 01:54:30,680 um 3183 01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:32,560 approve project signage plans, we call 3184 01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,800 them, which allow businesses to have 3185 01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,360 more signs than they otherwise could 3186 01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:38,120 have. And the two cases that we're 3187 01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:40,720 talking about, both signs are along the 3188 01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:42,280 freeway. 3189 01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:44,560 And each company, they want signs that 3190 01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,360 are akin to what's at Canyon Creek that 3191 01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:48,560 people can see from a long distance 3192 01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,440 when they're on the freeway. 3193 01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:51,920 And 3194 01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:56,320 I in order for one of the two 3195 01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:57,680 sites 3196 01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:59,720 to ask the council for project signage 3197 01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:01,280 plan approval, 3198 01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,720 we have to change one of the standards 3199 01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,560 um relative to the amount of square 3200 01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:08,120 footage in 3201 01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:09,560 development 3202 01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:10,920 for them to be able to make application. 3203 01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:12,720 Right now, the threshold's 50,000 square 3204 01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:14,320 feet of square footage. 3205 01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:16,160 That would need to be dropped to maybe 3206 01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:18,360 30,000 square feet of square footage or 3207 01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:20,040 something like that. 3208 01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:21,640 That's what we anticipate having on your 3209 01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:22,960 agenda 3210 01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,400 in a couple of weeks. And if the 3211 01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,560 council, by chance, 3212 01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:30,520 were to approve that change, then the 3213 01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:31,960 next day 3214 01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,080 in the planning commission meeting, 3215 01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:35,800 we'd present 3216 01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:37,440 two different project signage plans, one 3217 01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:39,040 for each of these two sites for them to 3218 01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:40,240 consider. 3219 01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:43,080 And then thir- date 13 days after that 3220 01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:45,680 in your second meeting in May, 3221 01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:47,280 we'd present the project signage plans 3222 01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,200 to you, and you'd have all the 3223 01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:50,840 discretion in the world 3224 01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:51,880 as a council as to whether or not you 3225 01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,000 wanted to approve that or not. 3226 01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,360 But the the timing's kind of tight. 3227 01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:57,520 Therefore, wanted to give you a little 3228 01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:58,960 bit of a heads-up. 3229 01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:00,880 Um feel a lot more comfortable talking 3230 01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,560 offline if anybody wants to about 3231 01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:04,480 things. Not that trying to be secretive 3232 01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:07,400 or anything, but we are definitely 3233 01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:09,400 respectful of the the situation that 3234 01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:11,240 these two businesses are in. 3235 01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,520 And therefore, uh 3236 01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:15,800 I'll leave it at that. Any questions? 3237 01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:16,720 That's Yeah. 3238 01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:17,240 >> Yeah, please. 3239 01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:20,640 >> one. Would So, it this move totally is 3240 01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:27,470 dependent on our approval of this sign? 3241 01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:28,400 And I kind of like not doing 3242 01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,200 >> I absolutely think so. Yeah. Yeah, I 3243 01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:33,080 don't think the companies, either of 3244 01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:34,440 them, 3245 01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:37,440 would uh 3246 01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:39,120 be able to 3247 01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:40,920 function. 3248 01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:41,960 It It functions is not the right way to 3249 01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:44,520 put it. Uh they would not 3250 01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:45,800 They wouldn't do the deal 3251 01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:47,600 if they couldn't get the kind of signage 3252 01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:49,360 that they're talking about. And you're 3253 01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,040 talking about a sign as big as Canyon 3254 01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:55,560 Creek. Probably in terms of height, not 3255 01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,000 like overall bulk. 3256 01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:59,440 Do we Do we have anything, Dave, in code 3257 01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,760 that talks about distance from I-15? 3258 01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:07,360 Like with our signs, if it's within so many feet of I-15, then we allow this 3259 01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:11,240 size or that size? We don't. Rather, it 3260 01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:14,080 really has been the project signage plan 3261 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:15,400 kind of an approach. We thought about 3262 01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:16,720 that with 3263 01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:18,640 Canyon Creek way back in Might have been 3264 01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:20,680 2011 3265 01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:22,480 when kind of the scheme was originally 3266 01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:24,600 hatched to to create a mechanism that 3267 01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:26,720 people could have bigger signs. 3268 01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:29,160 And in lieu of creating specific 3269 01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:31,480 criteria like that, 3270 01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:33,200 we just said, "Hey, we're going to give 3271 01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:35,000 people the opportunity to put a package 3272 01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:36,880 together and talk to the council about 3273 01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:40,030 it." 3274 01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:43,920 Little different than an 8-ft fence. 3275 01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:45,400 I'm a little tired of the 8-ft fence, 3276 01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,680 but I do remember the discussions of uh 3277 01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:50,719 Canyon Creek signage. 3278 01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:53,040 And it was probably early 3279 01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,080 Councilman Mendenhall days. Early in my 3280 01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:56,400 tenure. 3281 01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:57,640 And uh 3282 01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:59,040 Councilman Davis, since you brought him 3283 01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:01,680 up, was a little worried that 3284 01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:02,680 uh 3285 01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:04,120 our parameters 3286 01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:06,200 were maybe uh 3287 01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:09,200 go- going to make it available to look 3288 01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:11,760 like you were pulling into Las Vegas 3289 01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:12,440 uh [laughter] 3290 01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:14,880 with the size of signs and and the 3291 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,240 ability that they could swap it out and 3292 01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:20,120 do some LED stuff if necessary. 3293 01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:21,480 Uh it's not really the It's not a good 3294 01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:21,920 concern. 3295 01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:23,200 >> No, it was a good concern. It's a valid 3296 01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:25,240 concern. It's like Yeah. It's like the 3297 01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:27,040 applicants like, "Well, we're really not 3298 01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:28,960 going for the Vegas look in Spanish 3299 01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:30,000 Fork." 3300 01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:31,000 Well, they ended up not doing what 3301 01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:32,440 they're proposing to. 3302 01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:33,800 They didn't put 3303 01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:36,960 favorable messages up on Exactly. Yeah. 3304 01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:39,320 They backed away significantly from it. 3305 01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:40,640 They still have approval to do it. There 3306 01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:42,160 you go. Exactly. They just haven't done 3307 01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,200 it. So, I don't think I would say that 3308 01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:45,280 approval's there. That's the only time 3309 01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,000 in the history of my life that I jumped 3310 01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:48,600 out of bed and ran to a city council 3311 01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:50,440 meeting to give a That's right. comment. 3312 01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:52,680 >> Yeah, you did. My hair wasn't even done. 3313 01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:53,960 It wasn't. It was sticking straight up. 3314 01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:56,760 I had socks on, one shoe off. I don't 3315 01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:58,000 know. I was 3316 01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,080 That's a normal Tuesday for you. 3317 01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:01,000 >> you come down here to agree with him 3318 01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:01,400 Yeah. 3319 01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:04,440 >> With Richard, I did, yes. Okay. Yes. 3320 01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:06,132 The one thing Richard and I agree on. 3321 01:59:06,132 --> 01:59:08,270 >> [laughter] 3322 01:59:08,280 --> 01:59:12,230 ยป Our walks would be different. 3323 01:59:12,240 --> 01:59:14,480 Unless the hospital starts starts 3324 01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:17,600 advertising a if you break two arms, you 3325 01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:19,560 get a two for one at the hospital today 3326 01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:21,760 or something. But hasn't happened yet. 3327 01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:23,520 And and yeah, I I 3328 01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:25,600 obviously we can't you know 3329 01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:29,320 being um 3330 01:59:29,320 --> 01:59:32,200 what respectful of of the nature of 3331 01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:34,600 these private companies and stuff. 3332 01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:35,600 Uh 3333 01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:37,640 worthy discussion and and questions to 3334 01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:39,600 have about it. I 3335 01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:41,240 But what I know of it, neither of these 3336 01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:42,280 are 3337 01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:44,720 the Vegas uh type uh welcome to Spanish 3338 01:59:44,720 --> 01:59:46,240 Fork either. 3339 01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:48,320 So 3340 01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:49,960 it would be keeping within the character 3341 01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:52,400 of of our area of town that we're 3342 01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,560 talking about. 3343 01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:56,080 Yeah, my anticipation is that in two 3344 01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:57,840 weeks everything's going to be 3345 01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:03,800 on the table and there won't be any discretion. Okay. 3346 02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:05,480 Thanks. Any questions for Dave further 3347 02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:07,320 on that? No. Nope. But while he's up 3348 02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:09,000 here, I have a question for him. 3349 02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,480 We're not leaving. 3350 02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:12,800 We are like Just sit down. Just kidding. 3351 02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:14,280 I have one just one brief thing. 3352 02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:15,720 >> There's nothing on the agenda. You don't 3353 02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:16,760 have any General plan's not on the 3354 02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:18,760 agenda. No, your your question's not. So 3355 02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:21,200 you'll have to wait until next week. 3356 02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:22,600 I won't be here. Just 3357 02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:24,320 Soccer. Can I ask you a question, Mayor? 3358 02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:27,560 Sure. Okay. Thank you. So general plan's 3359 02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:29,200 not on the on the agenda. Perfectly 3360 02:00:29,200 --> 02:00:31,520 fine. I think we all needed a little 3361 02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:33,800 breather. Um 3362 02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:34,920 I think part of the reason it's not 3363 02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:36,880 here, I doubt you have any comments 3364 02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:38,720 after that meeting 3365 02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:41,200 from the yahoos that are up here. I 3366 02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:42,640 talked to the city manager about it 3367 02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,840 yesterday and he had not received any. 3368 02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,360 Um he said that to me yesterday. I just 3369 02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:49,080 want to point out that you you all have 3370 02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:50,680 received comments Got it. two weeks 3371 02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:52,880 before. Correct. 3372 02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:54,440 When you have a chance, take a look at 3373 02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:57,000 those, respond to them. Um if you want 3374 02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:57,960 to sit down and talk about them, I'm 3375 02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:00,000 game to do that too. But you have some. 3376 02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,040 Um so let's let's not pause 3377 02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:03,280 indefinitely. Let's keep the ball moving 3378 02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:04,840 and I think that 3379 02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:07,040 I owe it to these guys after saying, 3380 02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:08,400 "You know what we should do?" 3381 02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:09,760 Um I should probably send them my 3382 02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:11,920 comments. So they're coming. 3383 02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:13,360 But 3384 02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:15,280 I got busy. So 3385 02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,480 um that's all I was going to say is that 3386 02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:19,080 for those that expected the general plan 3387 02:01:19,080 --> 02:01:21,960 to be on the on the agenda, it's not. Um 3388 02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:23,760 but it'll come back. 3389 02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:25,200 And we have some work to do. 3390 02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:26,680 And it might be that we pass something 3391 02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:29,600 and we still have work to do. 3392 02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:31,040 I would say that's not a might. I'd say 3393 02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:33,600 that's a that's that's that's a for 3394 02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:34,800 sure. I think we're going to pass 3395 02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:37,000 something that Regardless. that does 3396 02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:39,200 have It's a working document. Yeah, it's 3397 02:01:39,200 --> 02:01:40,920 a working document. The 3398 02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:42,440 reason why it's general is cuz it's a 3399 02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,400 general plan. And then there will be 3400 02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:47,360 updates, amendments, request 3401 02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:48,920 to that general plan as it goes forward. 3402 02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:50,480 I I I appreciate you bringing that up. I 3403 02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:56,280 think I think we need to put some uh some some timelines to it. I'm I'm 3404 02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:58,880 not opposed and and don't know that this 3405 02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:00,720 is coming up in a motion or that we 3406 02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:03,680 could make it. But Dave, I I think 3407 02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:08,440 with the the comments, the questions you you have and and you might still get 3408 02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:11,120 from now to then, I I'd entertain let's 3409 02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:16,280 get this on the agenda in two weeks and let's uh you know, either have some 3410 02:02:16,280 --> 02:02:17,920 adjustments in the language or no 3411 02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,720 adjustments in the language 3412 02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:21,520 and let's uh 3413 02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:24,040 adopt general plan so people can get on 3414 02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:26,480 their way and and and get amendments in 3415 02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:29,320 the pipeline if they need to or want to. 3416 02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:32,360 Um I feel like the the longer now 3417 02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:36,200 that we take on adopting a general plan 3418 02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:38,200 is a little bit of of kicking it down 3419 02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:39,920 the road that 3420 02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:42,160 could just end up to be a longer road 3421 02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:43,600 than it needs to be. 3422 02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:45,440 So 3423 02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:47,640 if anybody has any feelings about that 3424 02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:50,000 direction, 3425 02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,480 feel free to speak. Yeah, we could 3426 02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:54,160 like we said before we adopt anything, 3427 02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:55,800 we could have a five-hour discussion 3428 02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:57,440 before we actually adopt something and 3429 02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:59,240 we can make changes to what we actually 3430 02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:02,200 adopt based on those discussions. So 3431 02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:06,800 there's no reason to delay it. We can have that discussion 3432 02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:08,600 and we could even get to the point where 3433 02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:09,880 we decide, "Yeah, we're not ready 3434 02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:11,680 tonight to adopt it." And you could 3435 02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:13,120 always 3436 02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:16,080 table it or or wait even longer. So 3437 02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:17,720 I don't have any concern. Policies like 3438 02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:19,120 that can start to get in the in the 3439 02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:22,560 phase of where you you get 3440 02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:24,480 uh 3441 02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:26,560 you get beat up 3442 02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,360 so so long on the interest on the 3443 02:03:28,360 --> 02:03:31,040 details of it and everything else 3444 02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:32,880 that you're 3445 02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:34,120 and then you get beat up for being 3446 02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:37,520 bloody. Um so it it starts to feel like 3447 02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:40,320 it starts to perpetuate itself. And uh 3448 02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:41,400 and so 3449 02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:45,160 I think I think getting some 3450 02:03:45,160 --> 02:03:47,440 somewhere where it's an adopted but you 3451 02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:49,800 know, an adopted uh 3452 02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:52,240 document is then, "Okay, now we know 3453 02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:53,760 what this is. 3454 02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:56,320 Let's make amendments to it as and and 3455 02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:59,120 these the one-offs, the specifics, 3456 02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:02,440 this general plan covers this whole city 3457 02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:04,280 and the specific places, specific 3458 02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:06,560 projects that come up, 3459 02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:08,120 I feel like they need their they need 3460 02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:10,000 their time to be able to get up and talk 3461 02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:12,440 specific about that. And micro run it 3462 02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:13,360 through the process. 3463 02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:15,400 Yeah, and say, "Here's why in this 3464 02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:18,080 area." instead of 3465 02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:19,120 we're having a general plan and we're 3466 02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:21,160 talking about this specific area on the 3467 02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:23,640 general plan. You know, and and come up 3468 02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:25,720 and make their case for that too. I 3469 02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:27,240 think that's a 3470 02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:30,400 good exercise to have. 3471 02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:33,240 So unless unless I hear a lot, I think 3472 02:04:33,240 --> 02:04:35,040 Dave's office will try to prepare that 3473 02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:36,880 for maybe two weeks. I guess in that 3474 02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:41,760 vein too, thank you to your office, your planners and and and the people 3475 02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,360 participating in this to put it together 3476 02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:45,160 and and the public and and and all of 3477 02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:47,120 you up here for all the input there. 3478 02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:48,920 It's been a process. But your 3479 02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:51,840 department's been good as well, Dave, to 3480 02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:54,080 uh to be responsive to it and and try to 3481 02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:55,960 be professionals in in making up a 3482 02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:57,600 professional document like that. So 3483 02:04:57,600 --> 02:04:58,720 appreciate it. 3484 02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:00,280 We've had a lot of help. I mean that. I 3485 02:05:00,280 --> 02:05:02,480 appreciate it. 3486 02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:04,080 Okay. 3487 02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:08,200 Anything else before close session item? 3488 02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:09,640 Okay. 3489 02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:10,640 I'd entertain 3490 02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:12,640 uh motion to adjourn to close session 3491 02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:15,160 for what's on there. I move to adjourn 3492 02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:16,920 to close meeting for a strategy sessions 3493 02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:18,560 to discuss purchase, exchange, or lease 3494 02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,080 of real property including any form of 3495 02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:21,840 water rights or water shares or to 3496 02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:23,560 discuss a proposed development agreement 3497 02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:25,160 or project proposal in the explorer room 3498 02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:29,320 provided by Utah code 52-4-205. 3499 02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:31,200 Motion made by Councilman Carden. Uh 3500 02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:32,920 Von's got something for us. 3501 02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:34,600 I'm not sure that that's a real item. I 3502 02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:36,920 think that was on the agenda last time 3503 02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:38,320 and that that transaction was actually 3504 02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:41,720 approved on the consent agenda tonight. 3505 02:05:41,720 --> 02:05:44,160 For the close session? Yes. 3506 02:05:44,160 --> 02:05:46,080 There's a there's a There is a separate 3507 02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:46,920 item? 3508 02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:47,960 Okay. 3509 02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:49,000 All right, never mind. Forget what I 3510 02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,400 said. 3511 02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:52,880 Dang it. We got a twist. Twist on Second 3512 02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:55,480 in Von's motion. Uh so motion's out, 3513 02:05:55,480 --> 02:05:57,040 right? Did we 3514 02:05:57,040 --> 02:05:59,000 Motion made still made by Councilman 3515 02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:01,320 Carden. Second. Second by Councilman 3516 02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,040 Took. A roll call vote. Councilman Took. 3517 02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:06,400 Councilman Carden. Councilman Oyler. 3518 02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:07,960 Councilwoman Beck and Councilman 3519 02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:09,360 Marshall. Yes. We're adjourned to close 3520 02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:12,480 session. Thank you, everybody.