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you everybody for joining us in the city

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council chambers tonight here in Spanish

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Fork City uh on May 5th, 2026 for city

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council meeting. We appreciate uh your

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involvement uh in your community. We

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appreciate the Cub Scouts here for sure.

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Thanks for being here. That's good

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stuff. Uh and uh we'll get started with

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our council meeting like we always do

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with a prayer motivational message and

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then uh the pledge. Uh, Councilman Oiler

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has our prayer motivational message

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assignment tonight.

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>> I don't see Brian. Oh, he is there.

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Okay. Bri, I've invited my good friend

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Brian Chapman to come and and do that

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for us tonight.

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» You want some walk up music?

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>> I needed no walk up music. Come on,

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Shane.

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So Kevin or Councilman Oiler asked me to

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come and just give a little bit of

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information about an activity that's

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happening in Spanish Fork this weekend.

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The Utah Sheriff's Honorary Colonels is

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an organization that is basically a

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501c3 that helps the sheriff's office

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here in Utah County as we uh do things

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like training K9 units, as we do the

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sheriff's teachers academy to help train

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teachers on how to deal with issues that

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arise that may need kind of more

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specialized training with dangerous

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situations. guns, issues like that. And

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this Saturday, we're actually hosting a

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fundraiser at the Spanishport Gun Club

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titled Shoot with the Sheriff. It's

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actually even co-enamed with Carol for

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who was one of our great residents here

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in Spanish Fork that founded it and that

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passed away a couple years ago. and she

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was just such an inspiration and such a

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big help in the sheriff's office that we

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named it after her as the Carol Ford

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memorial shoe with the sheriff. We'd

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love to have anyone that's listening or

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any of you to come. It's a great

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opportunity to support the sheriff's

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office and to support the men and women

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who are making a huge difference in our

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community. And with that, I was asked to

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give an invocation.

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Our dear heavenly father, we're so very

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grateful for the

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opportunities we have in this country to

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have officials like the city council

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members and mayor in front of us that

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can represent our communities. We're so

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very grateful for the freedoms we have

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in this country, for the people who

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serve us in so many different ways. For

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those in law enforcement, for those

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working on the front lines of even

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public works and other departments

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throughout our communities that have

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given so much to make our communities

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such a great place to live. We're

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grateful for this community, for Spanish

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Fork, for the residents, and for those

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who have been so important in making

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Spanish Fork a great place. We ask for a

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special blessing tonight upon our city

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council and our staff and our mayor and

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those who are coming to speak and to

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discuss the issues that are affecting

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our community that they can be filled

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with thy spirit that they can make the

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right decisions and that we can have

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good honest and strong discussion that

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meets the needs of our community. And

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father, we ask for these blessings and

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continued blessings upon our community

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and our nation and safety for those who

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are protecting us here and across the

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world in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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>> Thank you, Brian.

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>> Can the audience please rise?

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>> Pledge with me.

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>> I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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perfect. Thank you for participating in

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that with us and thank you for that

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information. Uh Brian. Uh next uh our recognition uh section of the

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agenda, we have some very special guests

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uh that are the new Spanish Fork Royalty

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uh that will be uh introduced to us and

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then the just serve uh portion of our

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meeting. So Spanish Fork Royalty.

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god what's it been now? month or two we

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had ago we had our Miss Spanish Fork

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pageant here at Spanish Fork High School

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down the street and it was fantastic and

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so we have a new royalty and I wanted to

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uh the council mayor wanted to introduce

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them to you the city and I thought this

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is just a perfect opportunity to do that

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uh led by our amazing director Jen Olson

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she's here Jen if you don't mind raising

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your hand just so we know you are you do

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so much for the city and for the program

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so thank you um and then uh royalty do

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you mind coming to the front and then

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I'll just introduce you by name and then

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from each of you. So, I'll just go

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backwards here. We uh we have third

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attendant, attendant Daisy Finley. Raise

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your hand so we all know you can

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introduce. Okay, thank you.

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>> Got the wave down. Ready for the parade.

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>> Daisy, you ready? Second attendant Ava

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Cunningham.

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attendant Paisley Keller right there in

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the pink. And then our queen Miss

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Calli Maguire.

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to hear anything. Maybe a little bit

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about your CSI or what a CSI is or your

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platform for a second each of you or

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just the queen, whatever you'd like. And

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Calli Magguire and I'm so excited to be

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your new Miss Spanish Fork. Something

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that's really special is this is

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actually our hundth year as in the Miss

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Spanish Fork program. So all of us, we

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have our gold crowns, which is super

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different and super special. And my CSI,

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so what a CSI is is it's called your

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community service initiative. So it's

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what you it's a problem in the community

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that you want to help to solve and work

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with. And so mine is called supporting

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your heroes and it is involved with

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police officers and law enforcement here

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in Spanish Fork. And so this was

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inspired because I actually had an uncle

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who was in Spanish Fork for a really, long time in the police

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department. His name was Phil Nilson.

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our department here as well. And his

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name is Trevor Maguire. And my goal is

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to really just make sure that our police

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officers know that there is a community

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here and that they should feel safe and

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they should feel comfortable going to

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talk to anyone that they need to. And

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also that our community members feel

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like they can talk to our police

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officers as well and have a personal

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reiterate. Yeah. This is the 100th year

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of Miss Spanish Fork. So, we now have a

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hundred Miss Spanish Forks who have

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tradition.

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few years we can't find. So, we just

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regardless um we look forward to

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spending time with you all this year at

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all the different fun events and and

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look forward to all of your service and

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seeing your picture, you know, up out

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here on the wall here soon. That's still

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happening, right, Jen?

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with us this evening. Uh could we do a

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picture, mayor, would that be?

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>> You bet. Come right up here. And uh yes,

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give him a round of applause.

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girls.

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» Very good stuff. Thank you, Councilman

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Tuk. Thank you, Miss Spanish Fork and her attendance. Some some good work

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already put in uh since uh since being

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crowned and uh and lots of work ahead.

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So, fun summer ahead. Okay. Uh, takes us

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to our just serve section of the agenda

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tonight. Uh, are you taking that over,

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know, Spanish Fork is a just served

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city, and what that means is that we

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offer opportunities to serve and we

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recognize those who have served in our

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community. Uh, a couple times a year we

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award just serve heroes. This is

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difficult to do in Spanish Fork because

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there are so many people who volunteer

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their time. Uh, there's a real spirit of

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volunteerism and service here. So to

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just recognize a few people each time, I

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mean, we're talking about the best of

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the best. So with that in mind, we've

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got the Davises here who are the Just

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the council were the ones that kind of

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nominate different people and the person

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that I wanted to nominate, I knew she

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had like this long list. So, I had to

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text her and say, "Can you send me a

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bio?" So, Becky Napper, can you come up

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the podium right here while I read all

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the cool things about you? I would dare

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say that each one of the councilmen

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would agree with me that the best part

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of serving on the council is getting to

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know the people in our community.

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Correct. Hands down. It's just it's the

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best. It's what I will miss the most.

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the last decade of both of us serving.

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condensed it, and I want to read um what

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you sent me because it's just really, special, and I just want you to

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know how much we appreciate your

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service, not only in our community and

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our state, but in our nation. So, she

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was in the United States Army from 1974

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to 2001.

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She has served as the second vice

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commander and the historian of the

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American Legion Post 66 68. In 2020, she

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was elected the commander of post 68,

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the first female elected to that office.

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She served as commander from March 2020

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through June 2023. She currently serves

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as the a adjud agitant, is that how you

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say that? agitant for district 4, member

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of the for the finance committee and

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co-chair for both district 4 and

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department of Utah American Legion. She

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is a member of the Spanish Fork Post 68

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Richard Johnson Freedom Walk Committee.

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I think that's where you and I met years

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ago. Ambassador for the state of Utah

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for the Military Women's Memorial,

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Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington,

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Virginia. She has served in several

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chapters of the Association of the

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United States Army to include Secretary

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of Non-commissioned office and enlisted

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affairs, national headquarters. She has

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served as an election judge in St.

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Louis, Missouri, Dakota Dunes, South

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Dakota, and Spanish Fork, Utah. She is a

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past captain of the Beehive Camp of the

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Daughters of the Utah Pioneers and

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currently serves as the Beehive Camp

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lesson leader. She was an assistant Cub

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Scout master for three years. She has

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served in many callings in her church

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and continues to serve to this day.

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Jeez, are you so proud of yourself?

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Can we all give Becky a big round of

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applause?

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and stay up here. We want to get a

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picture as well.

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>> Do you want to have your husband?

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>> Did he come with you?

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» Okay.

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>> All right.

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Here

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we go.

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>> Thank you, Becky.

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>> Becky, anything you'd like to say? Feel

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free.

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» Well, I I really appreciate this award.

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Um,

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part of why I do what I do here is

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because this community put up with me

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through my teenage years.

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They welcomed me with open arms 14 years

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ago when my husband and I moved back

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here after we retired from the military.

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And I just want to give back

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and

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I appreciate having such a wonderful

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community to give back to. Thank you

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very much for the award.

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>> Thank you, Becky.

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» Okay. Okay. And we'll have the second

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awardee recognized by Jesse Carden.

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>> Thank you, Jack. Heidi, do you want to

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come up to the podium, please? All

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right. I'm going to read a little

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statement that we have here, too. And it

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says, "Heidi Robberry um has served as

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an adviser for the youth city council

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for the last seven years. And if you

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guys know, working with teenagers, over

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60 of them at a time, for seven years.

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That's a lot longer than seven years. Um

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she's been a good example of responding

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to a simple invitation to help not

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knowing what it would turn into

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countless hours of and many um years of

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dedication to this community. She

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volunteers her time serving

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approximately 60 youth city council

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members at a time. She meets regularly

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with them and plans and carries out

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service activities. Heidi is from

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Spanish Fork and her favorite part of

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serving with the youth is seeing them

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get involved, show interest and show

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interest in the community. She is very

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impressed with the youth she has served

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um she has served with and said that

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their ideas are mind-blowing. her kids,

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sometimes two at a time, have been part

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of the youth city council during her

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tenure as an adviser. And I think not

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only this, if if you've been to any of

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our fiesta days activities, the youth

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city council is always there and Heidi

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is there as well. So, not only are the

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youth there doing the service, Heidi

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makes sure that it's happening. And so,

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when we were asked about nominees for

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this just serve award, it was a

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no-brainer for me to nominate Heidi. So,

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thank you, Heidi.

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We need a picture, too.

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>> Yeah. Do

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>> you want to come out?

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>> Your family come up.

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» It's all right. He's

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>> Look at that smile. He's happy to be

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here.

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>> All right. Here we go.

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You want to say anything?

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>> Sure.

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>> Okay. So, yes, I'm crazy. I work with

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teens. Um, but I couldn't do it without

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an amazing city supporting us and asking

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us to do service and having rooms for us

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to do things in. And the kids, um,

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they're so willing, they're so amazing.

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and the other women that I work with

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that are there as much as they can be.

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Um, it's very a re rewarding. Um, when I

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was in high school, I always wanted to

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be part of you city council and I could

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never figure out how to do it. So, I

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guess I'm getting my time in. So, thank

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you so much.

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>> Great job.

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» Bug with our uh just serve

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representatives here. Are you guys okay

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to come up for one more picture with our

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Just Serve representatives and get you

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guys in a picture with us? Is that okay?

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All of you come up. Come on up. Come on.

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» Should we have the

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Never mind.

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>> Hey, here we go.

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Thank you guys. Thanks again. Thank you

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very much. Good job.

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» Great program and and uh and recognizing

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great people like Becky and Heidi are

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such a a good good uh good thing to do

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in communities in our community as well.

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I um the signs, Uncle Richard, are in my

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office in the mayor's office. uh that

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just serve yard signs. So, we'll get

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those out uh that uh that invites people

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to that QR code and everything and and I

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saw them in in there today. So, there's

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some signs in there and we'll we'll get

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them out. So,

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>> are those for the winter the

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>> I don't think they go in their yard.

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It's not like yard of the week. No, it's

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not like that. Um but but it is a place

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there signs we can put around the

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community showing that we're a just

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served city.

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>> Got it.

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>> So,

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>> it's a big banner they put on the front

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door. Instead of dawn, it says

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>> chest serve.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Thank you, Davises, for your efforts in

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this.

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>> Yep.

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» That's always on the end.

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>> You can't reach me.

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>> That's why they put them by me.

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>> I will.

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>> I see we have two two councilmen

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attending our meetings, former

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councilman today. And it always makes me

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nervous. We had a mayor a couple weeks

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ago and now councilman, we're Yeah, we

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got people looking at us. That's pretty

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good. Um, okay. great great part of our

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meeting again for the the recognitions

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portion. Thank you all for coming and

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thank to thank you to your families for

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supporting uh your your good u your good

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family members as well. What a what a

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good thing to do. Um takes us to the the

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public comment section of our meeting.

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This is where the public can address the

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mayor and council. Ask us a question if

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you'd like uh or uh or bring up

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something to our attention. Uh try to

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keep it Yeah, Jack's got the threeminut

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timer up there. try to keep it to that

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if you can so we can get everybody in.

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But, uh, feel free. This is the public

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section, public comment section of

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council meeting. Uh, feel free to come

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up and address the mayor and council if

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you'd like.

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» Chad Aral Spanish Fork, before you start

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my time,

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» I'd like to make a comment about Heidi

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and the youth council. I was over that

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for a while and I'm I was always so

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proud because they'd how many youth do

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you have and we had 40 or 50 or 60 youth

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and they were so involved and Heidi's a

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big part of that for the reason that our

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students in our community come and be a

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part of that. And when we'd go up to the

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legislation session, we'd have to have

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seven or eight tables. And

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>> of course, Seth was always good to

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reserve all those tables and and they

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were there and active and part of that.

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such a blessing for our community. It

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was such it was such a good part to

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serve that. Go ahead, start.

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Thank you. Um, mayor, council, I just

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want to real quick thank you, of course,

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for your time served in our community.

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Um, it's important to me as I watch the

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legislative session and the comments and

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our representatives up there, I always

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see a picture of you and it does my

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heart good to know you're up there

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watching us. And I know Seth is always

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there during that session keeping a

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thumb on that state so they don't get

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too oppressive about our city and try to

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take over our cities. And thank you Seth

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for your time and efforts. I I know you

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spend a lot of time there, but it does

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my heart good to see you guys. When I do

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see a picture of you, there's usually a

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picture of some all of you. So thank you for that time because I know

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that's extra time served. I just have

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two quick things I wanted to bring to

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the attention of the council. One of our

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responsibilities is to keep our citizens

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safe in our community. And I just I have

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there are five homes in our community in

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a large building that are abandoned. And

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there are things going on in these homes

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and buildings that are bad and evil. And

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I just want them bring them to your

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attention.

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>> They need to be tore down. They need to

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be taken care of. Um they're not the

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first city that I've come to when I work

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for the phone company. I always run

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across one of these abandoned buildings.

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I know their colors. I know their signs

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and there's bad things going on in these

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buildings and they need to be taken care

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of. I also just want to uh make sure

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diligence about our residential. We have

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residential and commercial areas for a

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reason. Keeping those commercial trucks

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out of our residential area, people

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doing businesses. We have kids on

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scooters and bikes and they're going so

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fast and I just think it's a matter of

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time before we let one of these con

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commercial and I know none of them would

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want to do that. Was my biggest fear

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driving a commercial truck was to hit a

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child but they're in our they're in our

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residential areas and they don't they

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don't need to be parking these

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commercial trucks or running their

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businesses. We have home businesses I

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know but these be vigilant about that.

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keeping these trucks out of our

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residential areas. I know they don't and

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I don't want to ever have that

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experience,

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but it's important that we do have

538
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,840
residential and commercials for things.

539
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,559
Thanks. And thank thank you guys, the

540
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,200
director of departments. You're vital to

541
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,480
everything that goes on in this

542
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,400
community. I just thank you for

543
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,320
everything you do and the service you

544
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,360
do. It's been a tender week

545
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:53,919
and when you have go through some of

546
00:22:53,919 --> 00:22:57,280
those things it the gratitude of this

547
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,280
community and

548
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,039
those who reached out I want to say

549
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:05,200
thanks to that. Um, my father-in-law

550
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,240
served 89 years in this community and uh

551
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,320
run a business and did a good thing and

552
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,760
uh we've had a lot of people reach out

553
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,240
to us and express

554
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,480
they're grateful for him and his service

555
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,400
um to this community. He was a big part

556
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,679
of it and thank you for those that did.

557
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:24,640
Thank you.

558
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,520
>> Thank you, Chad.

559
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,000
>> Thanks, Chad.

560
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,320
>> Chad, can you do us a favor and email

561
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,559
the council the the addresses of the

562
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:31,600
homes that you're talking about?

563
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,320
>> You betcha.

564
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,360
>> Thank you. I'll do that. Um, somebody

565
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,000
specific.

566
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,960
>> Just the council

567
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,320
>> just Okay,

568
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,600
>> you should know the email.

569
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,080
>> Yeah,

570
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,440
>> it's probably still getting them.

571
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,520
>> It's an important night. I You guys have

572
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,559
got a lot on your agenda, but I have I

573
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,280
need to excuse myself, but I will watch.

574
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,039
So, just in case he puts a tie on.

575
00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,200
>> All right. Good. Thanks, Chad.

576
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,840
>> Thank you, Chad.

577
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,280
This is a little tall for me. Hello.

578
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,880
>> It's nice to be back in front of the

579
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,880
greatest city in Utah County.

580
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,360
>> We do.

581
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,640
>> In front of all these people.

582
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,520
>> Utah County.

583
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,640
>> Utah.

584
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,080
>> Greatest city in Utah County.

585
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,120
>> And Utah.

586
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,159
>> Thank you, Elaine.

587
00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:19,360
>> And Florida.

588
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:20,159
>> Yeah.

589
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:21,279
>> You mean the nation?

590
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:22,640
>> Did I make a point now?

591
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,840
>> Okay. So, I'm Elaine Hansen. Hello. And

592
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,120
I would like to take this opportunity to

593
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,799
introduce all of you, whom I love, to my

594
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:36,080
cousin, David Spencer, who is running

595
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,720
for county commissioner and cares about

596
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,600
great cities, small government,

597
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,919
families, safety, less taxes, all the

598
00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:49,760
things that we stand for here in Spanish

599
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,760
Fork and that I love and miss. So, if

600
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,080
it's appropriate,

601
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,240
um,

602
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,520
can can he come and talk and say hello

603
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,240
and you can stop my time?

604
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,640
>> He can get his three minutes.

605
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,080
>> Anyway, I just want to say hello to all

606
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,679
of you. And I was going to just bring

607
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:12,640
you his little um flyer so you remember

608
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,640
his face, but he's my cousin. We're

609
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,480
Norwegians.

610
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,559
Anyway, thank you. I love you all.

611
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:31,909
>> Thank you, Ela. Thanks,

612
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:33,760
So, I'm David Spencer and I'm running

613
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,559
for county commissioner seat B. Um, a

614
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,400
little history with me, I I've been on

615
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,080
the ORM city council for the last 12

616
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,120
years.

617
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,679
>> And I ran uh for city council to save

618
00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:46,159
the baseball fields in Orum. So, in 12

619
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:47,440
years, the baseball fields are still

620
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,480
there. So, at least I accomplished

621
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,480
something while I was on the council.

622
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,840
But while I was on the council, um, in

623
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,000
those 12 years, not one time did a

624
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,919
county commissioner come to ORM and ask

625
00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:00,080
us what our needs were. And I think that

626
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,240
needs to change because every city has a

627
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,039
need. I was out in Saratoga Springs.

628
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,559
Their needs totally different than ORM

629
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,279
or in Spanish Fork. So, um, I want to,

630
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,039
uh, meet with the mayor and the council

631
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,120
of every city and see what your needs

632
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,000
are. And I believe that the Utah County,

633
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,520
we're fractured. we're fragmented

634
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,440
because we're not all on the same page

635
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,600
as cities, right? So, if we can get on

636
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,679
the same page and we have that power, we

637
00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:25,120
can go to the legislature, make sure we

638
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,559
can get the money for Utah County that

639
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,880
we need. I believe that the the

640
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,400
leadership in the legislature right now

641
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,480
is in Davis County and they're getting

642
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,480
most of the money, right? So, we need to

643
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,679
make sure that we fight for the money

644
00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:37,919
for Utah County and we can help our our

645
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:40,960
cities in Utah County. Also, the tourism

646
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,440
dollars. We need to make sure that the

647
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,360
tourism dollars are available for each

648
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,400
city and not just Provo, right? So, we

649
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,520
need to make sure it's fair. We're not

650
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,760
picking winners and losers. But, I'm uh

651
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,679
I'm here to serve. I love serving on the

652
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:55,760
city council and I I appreciate what you

653
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,520
guys do because I love communicating

654
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,279
with the citizens and fixing things and

655
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:00,480
making sure things are right for them.

656
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,200
But, um I love to serve and hopefully I

657
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,120
can I can gain your trust and vote. And

658
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,720
I'm David Spencer and thank you.

659
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,240
>> Thank you, David. Thanks for coming

660
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,640
down. And thank you for Elaine. I mean,

661
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,559
she's she's awesome. She never I don't

662
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:13,440
think she ever sleeps, but

663
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,480
>> No, she doesn't.

664
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,240
>> Thank you.

665
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:23,110
Yeah. Thank you.

666
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,240
» So, uh, why did you want to get elected?

667
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:26,960
>> Oh,

668
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,679
>> is you asking that to Shane?

669
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:30,240
>> You.

670
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,400
>> Okay. It's a good question for him.

671
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,559
>> You, Mr. Mayor.

672
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:35,760
>> Yeah, Mr. Mayor.

673
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,880
>> Uh, why did I want to get elected? Um,

674
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,400
>> can you tell us your name first?

675
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:40,720
>> Yeah.

676
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,480
>> Uh, my name is Arthur.

677
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,039
>> Arthur.

678
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:43,679
>> Phillips.

679
00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:45,440
>> Yeah, Phillips. I I actually don't live

680
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,799
in Spanish Fork.

681
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,640
>> Do you live close by?

682
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,720
>> Uh, yeah. I I live in Mona.

683
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,799
>> Mona's a good place, too. We like Mona.

684
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,480
Yep. Thanks for coming up here to

685
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,080
Spanish Fork. We appreciate it.

686
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:56,799
>> Welcome.

687
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:58,880
>> I think I think Councilwoman Beck

688
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,840
touched on it. Uh that uh the reason why

689
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,080
I wanted to get elected was to give back

690
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,520
to a city that helped raise me. And uh

691
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,440
and you heard those people that that got

692
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,279
those awards tonight that how much the

693
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,120
city meant to them and so they felt like

694
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,200
volunteering was a way to give back and

695
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,960
I feel like this is another form of

696
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,399
volunteering is getting elected to

697
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:20,080
public office and giving back to the

698
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,240
community that you love. So that's the

699
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,600
main reason.

700
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,039
>> Yeah.

701
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:26,399
>> And to meet kids like you.

702
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:27,600
>> Oh yeah.

703
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,799
>> Thanks.

704
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:29,760
>> Do you have a question?

705
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,360
>> Thanks. Uh thanks for answering my

706
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,240
question, Mr. Mayor.

707
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,679
>> You're very welcome. Thanks for coming

708
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,360
to our meeting.

709
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:39,279
We're from PAC 72. We meet at ALA and um

710
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,039
this is our weeos and arrow of light

711
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:42,159
combined group.

712
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:43,760
>> Very good. Very good.

713
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,039
>> And Lisa, right?

714
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:46,880
>> Lisa Ridge and Naomi.

715
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,360
>> Naomi. Thank you for coming. And who's

716
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200
the other? What's the names of the

717
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,600
others?

718
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,600
>> Sandra and Talmage.

719
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,480
>> Yes.

720
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,360
>> And um yeah, I don't know.

721
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,000
>> Troop what?

722
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,640
>> We are. We're from PAC 72.

723
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,080
>> Pack 72. And um we're really the leaders

724
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,880
for fourth and fifth graders. Pack 72

725
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,640
serves um from kindergarten through

726
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,880
fifth grade, boys and girls. You don't

727
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,559
have to be a student at ALA to go. Um

728
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,960
you just come and have fun. Um next

729
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Saturday we're doing a Pinewood Derby.

730
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,480
We can't wait um to get our cars racing.

731
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,480
Um some of the things that are coming up

732
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,440
are a canoe trip, been a swimming trip,

733
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,600
been a um fish fishing activity. Um, so

734
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,799
those are some of the fun things that

735
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,600
we're doing this summer and come join us

736
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,320
if you want.

737
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:36,880
>> Very cool.

738
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,720
>> And the one on the Pinewood Derby on

739
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,679
Saturday is the open to the public one,

740
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:42,080
right?

741
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:42,880
>> It is.

742
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:43,279
>> Yeah.

743
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,360
>> Lisa, anyone can come race a car.

744
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,039
>> Let me ask you, Lisa, how long have you

745
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,720
been involved in scouting? Because we've

746
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,080
seen you here quite a few times.

747
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,520
>> Um, 30 years.

748
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,399
>> Oh, wow.

749
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:53,200
>> Just a hobby.

750
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,240
>> It was a calling from for church. And

751
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320
then, um, I have found that Cub Scouts

752
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,799
is my happy place. So that's where I

753
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,120
still am.

754
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:03,840
>> Good for you.

755
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,440
>> One of her uh perhaps her best child.

756
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:07,919
>> Yeah.

757
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:08,720
>> Works for us.

758
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:09,120
>> Yeah.

759
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,279
>> My favorite son works for Spanish Fork

760
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,440
City.

761
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,679
>> Saw him earlier today. Yes,

762
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:16,240
>> probably.

763
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,919
>> Good man. I call him every time my

764
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:19,360
computer does something and he just

765
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,880
fixes it. It's great.

766
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,320
>> I thought well that's what I do.

767
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,799
>> Yeah.

768
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:25,840
>> Anyway, thank you.

769
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,960
>> Thank you. Yeah. Appreciate it. Very

770
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,080
good stuff.

771
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,840
Anybody else for the public comment

772
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,269
section of the agenda?

773
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:40,799
» Richard, you're here. Anything you need

774
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,480
to say? Nothing you need to get off your

775
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,600
chest?

776
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,159
>> Wonderful.

777
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:45,919
>> Okay.

778
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,399
>> Tam tells me you're Tamara tells me

779
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:50,240
you're yelling at the TV sometimes.

780
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,789
>> I need another elliptical.

781
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:58,080
Put another elliptical at the Fit City

782
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,240
Center. He's put in his request.

783
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,000
>> Put that Put that down on the agenda.

784
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,559
>> We got it.

785
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,720
>> Got it.

786
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,279
>> No more ellipticals.

787
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,200
>> Okay. Very good. Thank you. Thank you

788
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,360
public uh for for addressing the

789
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,000
council. We appreciate that. Uh takes us

790
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,960
uh to council comments uh to report on

791
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,799
what we've seen the last week, what

792
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,880
we've a couple of weeks in in our

793
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,200
different places. We'll instead of

794
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,559
starting on an end this time, we'll

795
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,080
start on the interior with Councilman

796
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,080
Carden and then we'll work this way and

797
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,000
end on Councilman Oiler. Is that all

798
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,360
right? It works for me. Thank you,

799
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,760
Mayor. I only have um two things. The

800
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,399
first is I'm I might be stealing some

801
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:38,000
thunder from you, Kathleen, so I

802
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,399
apologize. Um next Wednesday, so a week

803
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,559
from tomorrow, is the Rotary Chamber

804
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,440
Scholarship uh golf tournament. I

805
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,320
couldn't think of the word there, so

806
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,760
maybe I should have left it to you. Um

807
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,360
the golf tournament. And one thing

808
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,799
that's been really awesome is that they

809
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,279
have been giving out scholarships um to

810
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,679
the diff the various um schools in our

811
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:59,440
city and in PAC um the last couple of

812
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,559
weeks and they have given out I believe

813
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,600
it's 30 or 25 so far and they actually

814
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,440
are going to give out another five. So

815
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,840
they're giving out $3,500

816
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,360
scholarships

817
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,360
that are all raised from this golf

818
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,480
tournament. And so what a cool thing

819
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,159
that a group of people, again, we're

820
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:19,679
talking a lot about service tonight, get

821
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,080
together with our business community and

822
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,840
raise money to give to the high school

823
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,320
seniors in our community that some of

824
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,880
them um may not be getting other other

825
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,440
scholarships. Um MTech is participating.

826
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,600
Just a really cool event. So if you're

827
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,039
interested, there are still a few spots

828
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:39,039
left for that um that golf um tournament

829
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,240
next week and hope to see you there. But

830
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
other than that, I have one other thing.

831
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Last week, um I wasn't able to attend

832
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,679
ULCT with everyone else, but I was able

833
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:54,159
to go to Arbor Day and to talk with um

834
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:57,039
the kids at that. What a cool event. Um

835
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:58,640
planting some trees. I don't think that

836
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,159
the kids were I don't know if they're as

837
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:01,679
excited about planting the trees as they

838
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,840
were of not being in school, but either

839
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,840
way, it was fun. And then I'm going to

840
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,519
ask this question up here because I

841
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,039
we're just going to do a little uh Utah

842
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:10,799
history up here.

843
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,919
What is our state tree?

844
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:15,120
>> You want the answer?

845
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,960
>> If you know the real answer, maybe it is

846
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,320
not spruce.

847
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:18,720
>> Have a note.

848
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,799
>> It is no longer the state.

849
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,399
>> It is the quaking aspen.

850
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:27,039
But that changed just recently. A lot of

851
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,919
us older generation, and I say older,

852
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:31,120
probably don't know that it's not the

853
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,200
blue spruce anymore, but it is the

854
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,600
quaking aspen. And it was changed

855
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,440
because a group of kids similar to what

856
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,039
you're seeing on the screen reached out

857
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,360
to our governor at the time, Governor

858
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,880
Herbert, and petitioned because the

859
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,960
quaking Aspen better represented our

860
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,679
state. And the Quaking Aspen is found in

861
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,559
every county in the state. So, kind of a

862
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,799
cool thing. What a cool event. Dell,

863
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:53,919
thank you for letting me be a part of

864
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,080
that. And uh Councilman Tuk because he

865
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,519
wasn't able to to attend. Um but five

866
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,840
new trees um in our city. We do this

867
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,679
every year. It's such an awesome awesome

868
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:06,000
event that gives our kids an opportunity

869
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,600
to to dig their tree. And one thing I

870
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,760
told Dell is um when I was a kid in

871
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,679
American Fork, I actually was able to

872
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,359
participate in Arbor Day. And I still

873
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:15,040
remember the tree that I helped plant at

874
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,720
the cemetery like and I when I drive by,

875
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:19,040
it's my tree. It's not at all my tree,

876
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,599
but I claim it as my tree. So, um that's

877
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:22,399
why I got mayor.

878
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:24,079
>> Do you plant quaking aspa?

879
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:25,280
>> We not then. We didn't.

880
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,720
>> Those are like the weeds of trees.

881
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,240
That's right. Just saying.

882
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,440
>> And now it's our state tree.

883
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,879
Just like

884
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:32,720
the seed though. Thank you, Councilman

885
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:34,079
Carden. Councilman Tuk.

886
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,679
>> Thank you, Mayor. I do have a couple

887
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,280
items this evening, but before I jump

888
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,639
into those, I would like to give a

889
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:39,760
little time to our president of the

890
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,270
Chamber of Commerce, Kathleen Levit.

891
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,119
» Thank you very much. Um, no, I'm so

892
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,119
excited that you uh talked about the

893
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,200
golf tournament. It's next Wednesday and

894
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,159
we're so excited. We do have one of the

895
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,960
highest participations that we can

896
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,320
recall from doing this for 30 years. So,

897
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,000
this is a really big year for this

898
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,200
event. Um, we've given away 25

899
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,040
scholarships and then they just voted

900
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,000
this afternoon to do five more because

901
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,160
we just keep getting more golfers and

902
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,400
more support for this event. So, we're

903
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,160
going to give out more scholarships.

904
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,320
though between including the MTech

905
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,079
scholarship, it'll be uh 35 scholarships

906
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,720
overall, which is probably the most we

907
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,119
ever have. Usually, it's about 15 or 20.

908
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,000
Um so, we're really excited for this

909
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,520
day. Um that's next Wednesday. Tea time

910
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,320
is at 900 a.m. at the Oaks. Um, but

911
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,880
before then, um, I wanted to make sure

912
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,839
everybody saw their ma their area guide

913
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:47,359
magazine that should have been in

914
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:49,520
everyone's mailboxes,

915
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,079
um, over the weekend early in the week.

916
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,200
Um, we do have extra copies, so if you

917
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,079
have friends or family members, um, I

918
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,480
know the mayor in Salem said her son

919
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,839
stole her copy because he wanted the 101

920
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:05,839
things to experience in Spanish Fork and

921
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:07,839
Salem. So, we do have extra copies if

922
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:09,280
people would like and I'll be delivering

923
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,000
them to library and the different city

924
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,320
offices so that way people can get their

925
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640
hands on it. But, um, super proud of

926
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560
this publication and hopefully it serves

927
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,440
our community well for the year.

928
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,160
>> So, one of the 101 is attending one of

929
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:24,800
these.

930
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,680
>> It I think it is.

931
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,200
>> So, everyone in this room can check off.

932
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,040
>> Everyone can check that one off. You

933
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,000
only have a hundred to go now. So, yes.

934
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,960
Check. Check. That's but

935
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
>> I think it was a a a good thing to

936
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,440
combine them. So, it's just all around a

937
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,200
community guide. Um and then on

938
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,320
Thursday, this s Thursday the 7th, we

939
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,160
have our business after hours for this

940
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,960
quarter. We're going to the PAC business

941
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,280
innovation center. So, I'm really

942
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,720
looking forward to introducing that

943
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,040
resource to our business community here.

944
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,839
It is a available to all of our

945
00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:01,920
businesses for use for entrepreneurs,

946
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,000
for existing businesses. They've got

947
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,280
just about every kind of

948
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,880
state-of-the-art

949
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,960
branding material that you could need.

950
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,280
They can print banners, they can engrave

951
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,560
mugs, they can uh they can do just about

952
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,800
everything. So, I sent the chamber logo

953
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,040
over so that way we can make some stuff

954
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,680
and see all of the equipment in use. So,

955
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,440
I'm looking forward to it. That's next

956
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,119
uh this Thursday the 7th from 5 to 7:00.

957
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,440
Um open invite to any business

958
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,040
entrepreneur, anybody watching this,

959
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,520
come join us. It'll be a fun evening.

960
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,000
And new networking for this month is May

961
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,520
21st. We did have a few changes. Um so

962
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,079
we're going to be at the Hampton Inn

963
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,520
this this month on the 21st. Um, we're

964
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,839
going to be hearing from Custom Fit, the

965
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:52,800
MTech program that reimburses up to 40%

966
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,160
on uh extended education. Um, they just

967
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,200
covered 40% of a conference. For me, it

968
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,040
really is an amazing resource. They have

969
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,280
a million dollars in funding to be able

970
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,720
to give out for um business education

971
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,520
for um professional skills. So, they're

972
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,280
going to be presenting and then Good

973
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,119
Grains and Salem will be catering lunch

974
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,359
for us. That'll be on the 21st. And

975
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:17,040
that's all I've got to report. Thanks

976
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,680
you guys.

977
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,800
>> Thank you.

978
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,240
Kathleen, for all you do for

979
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,599
our business community and for

980
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:24,079
especially that publication. Uh nice

981
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,359
work. Uh just a couple items from me uh

982
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:29,359
this this evening. I was able to attend

983
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:31,440
the conference that was mentioned, the

984
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,599
Utah League of Cities and Towns. And uh

985
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,000
I went to my f my favorite session was I

986
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,560
was with uh city manager parents. Uh we

987
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,400
learned about uh all sorts of cool

988
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,760
things and insights about the Olympics

989
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,000
in 2034. I found that fascinating and

990
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,320
just kind of preparing our cities and infrastructure and such and um

991
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200
having volunteered in 2001 too. Yeah.

992
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,520
Two. It was it's extra special. So I

993
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,280
think for many of us it's it's fun to

994
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,880
look ahead and see so much already going

995
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,720
on in preparation for that. So that was

996
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,400
one of my great takeaways from our what

997
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,119
our conference down at that. Um, I also

998
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,680
Councilman Cardon Cardin and I, we uh

999
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,440
participated in something called the

1000
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,400
rodeo reading roundup family night which

1001
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,720
was at Sierra Bonita and had a great

1002
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,640
time supporting that program and the

1003
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,560
children reading and the program that's

1004
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,599
going on now. And so um kudos to to

1005
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,240
their principal and to uh just programs

1006
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,800
like that really. So uh I won't say much

1007
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,240
about it because I know others will but

1008
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,760
I I love being a part of the fire

1009
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,880
station 61 uh groundbreaking. So that

1010
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,960
was excellent. excellent experience.

1011
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960
Looking forward to that. And then

1012
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,280
lastly, we uh just thought yesterday

1013
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,200
evening we had a a great parks and

1014
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,680
recreation committee board meeting. Uh

1015
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,599
thanks to Dell Robinson and and our team

1016
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,119
and it was excellent. Things are moving

1017
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,920
forward so well with all that. And on

1018
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,599
that note, that's all I've got. Mayor,

1019
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,760
>> thank you. Councilman Tuk, Councilman

1020
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,640
Marshall,

1021
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,359
>> just a quick story that it's an

1022
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:56,800
interesting thing. I'm I was at the

1023
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,800
state Republican convention and I'm

1024
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,240
waiting for the thing to start and these

1025
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:04,240
two Spanish residents sit next to me and one guy goes I have can I ask you

1026
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,680
two questions said sure before you do

1027
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,599
yes we support roundabouts and he's like

1028
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:13,599
okay I have one question left um

1029
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,400
and he was dead serious he said so which

1030
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,240
of the city council members are on the

1031
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,720
take

1032
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,480
and I'm like what are you talking about

1033
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,839
are you seriously asking me that

1034
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:26,320
question he's like yeah I really want to

1035
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,720
Mike, do people really believe that this

1036
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,040
body that these people that sit up here

1037
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,040
every day are taking money from

1038
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,560
somebody? He's like, that's the rumor.

1039
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,839
>> Oh my

1040
00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:38,240
>> that I can assure you 100% does not

1041
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,320
happen up here. These folks, like Mike

1042
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,720
said, are here to volunteer to give back

1043
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,320
to the community. They want to serve the

1044
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,160
community every single time. They're

1045
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,720
only in it for for that and the the love

1046
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,720
of their community. And he's like, I

1047
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,000
kind of thought that, but I needed to

1048
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,480
ask anyway. like just the just it was

1049
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,400
shocking that seriously wasn't joking,

1050
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,760
wasn't anything. It was a dead serious

1051
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,760
question. Um so for those that are

1052
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,000
listening, all six of you, we're not on the take. Um we're doing

1053
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,760
this because we've been here a long time

1054
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,960
and we love this community. We love it

1055
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,440
dearly. Um and we're trying to continue

1056
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,200
the good work that our former council

1057
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,000
members have put us in a position to be

1058
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,079
one of the best cities in in the in the

1059
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:16,720
nation.

1060
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,319
>> Yes. So, um, just a strange conversation

1061
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,640
to be had on the gym floor over EVU that

1062
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,160
day. So, other than that, I don't have

1063
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,160
anything else.

1064
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,160
>> Perfect. Thank you, Councilman Marshall.

1065
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,520
Councilwoman Beck,

1066
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,359
>> a couple things. I sit on the library

1067
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:33,119
board and so I wanted to be sure I

1068
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,200
supported Chrissy Henry in her

1069
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,800
retirement. She's been at the library, I

1070
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,119
think, for 25 years, and she's just a

1071
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,760
staple. Um, she started part-time across

1072
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
the street, has moved over here. She's

1073
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,400
retiring. So is her husband. And so I

1074
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,160
just wanted to give a shout out to any

1075
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,160
of those people that attend the library

1076
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,680
are no longer going to see her. And I

1077
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,920
wanted to thank her for her years of

1078
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,960
commitment to such a great organization.

1079
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,359
And then also the library is considering

1080
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:03,520
about doing a homebound library and it

1081
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,400
would be a library service for those who

1082
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,040
cannot leave their home. So, if you have

1083
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,920
someone in your family that that can't

1084
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,160
leave and get to the library, they will

1085
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,680
have the the employees here actually

1086
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,760
gather the books, deliver them, come and

1087
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,200
pick them up. You just need to call the

1088
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,560
library. They're going to put the word

1089
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,079
out. I think it was in this month's

1090
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:27,520
newsletter as well. So, you can look at

1091
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,599
um at that for more information. I think

1092
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,560
that's really cool. And I think Mayor

1093
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,920
brought up yard of the week just a

1094
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640
couple moments ago. The yard of the week

1095
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,040
program will start up here in a couple

1096
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,800
weeks. It runs from Memorial Day through

1097
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,599
Labor Day. And so around May 15th,

1098
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,079
you'll start seeing um the website

1099
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:47,680
promoting that. I think it'll be on

1100
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,040
social media. And we want new new yards.

1101
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,560
We our committee, we have nine

1102
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,480
volunteers working on the committee. We

1103
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,079
will will look over the weekly

1104
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,400
submissions, the photos, um why you're

1105
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,040
being nominated and and make a decision

1106
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,560
then. and just really we want to

1107
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,800
encourage good curb appeal in our

1108
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,040
community. That's important and it takes

1109
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,359
a lot of time and energy and money and

1110
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:13,599
we want to recognize that. So if you

1111
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,680
want to nominate yourself, feel free to.

1112
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,280
If you want to nominate your neighbor,

1113
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,920
your mom, someone that you just drive by

1114
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,440
and you jump out of the car and take

1115
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,200
some picture, I've I've been known to do

1116
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,280
that a couple times and and it's really

1117
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,880
fun to go recognize those people for

1118
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,560
their efforts. So be looking for that

1119
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,599
starting May 15th. and mayor asked me to

1120
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,800
go to a ribbon cutting for Waffle Love

1121
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,440
and I had seen it on social media, but

1122
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,160
Waffle Love just opened up in the Little

1123
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,000
Acorn. So, they have kept a couple um

1124
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,560
menu items from the old Little Acorn.

1125
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,319
And so, on the building, it does say

1126
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:50,880
Waffle Love and Little Acorn. And so, I

1127
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,400
just encourage you to go stop by and

1128
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,480
support them. They've put a lot of money

1129
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,280
into freshening up the building,

1130
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,160
replacing um the kitchen, the bathroom,

1131
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,599
fresh coat of paint, filling the

1132
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,319
potholes, and so just go support your

1133
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:06,079
local waffle love. And that's all I

1134
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:06,560
have.

1135
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,800
>> Very good. Thank you, Councilwoman Beck

1136
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,319
and Councilman Oiler.

1137
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:12,079
>> Thank you, Mayor. I just want to talk a

1138
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:13,440
little bit about the event that we had

1139
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,880
last Friday. So, we had a groundbreaking

1140
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,200
for our new fire station, station 61,

1141
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,359
which is currently located on Spanish

1142
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:23,680
Fork Main Street, and is going to be

1143
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,720
relocated to just two blocks west of

1144
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,880
where we're at right now. One really

1145
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,640
cool thing, and Chief Hails talked a

1146
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,800
little bit about this as he spoke, is

1147
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,319
that piece of ground has been used by

1148
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:39,440
Spanish Fork City for decades. Um, for

1149
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,800
those that weren't aware, it's the

1150
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,520
location of our old senior center

1151
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,920
building. And so, it's really neat to

1152
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,960
consider and think that that property is

1153
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,800
going from a place where our seniors

1154
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,960
have benefited and come and socialized

1155
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,160
for many years to now a new use within

1156
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,400
our city that will benefit all of our

1157
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,079
citizens and keeping us safe, keeping us

1158
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,680
uh protected. It'll be a fantastic new

1159
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,839
facility for our first responders, our

1160
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:10,800
fire and EMS. It will it will be built

1161
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,119
in a way that will keep them safe as

1162
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,839
well. Um, so super excited about that.

1163
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:18,400
Seth, correct me if I'm wrong. I think

1164
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,440
estimated time of completion is fall of

1165
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,400
2027.

1166
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,200
>> Yep.

1167
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,880
>> So, keep your eye out

1168
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,599
>> early fall.

1169
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,680
>> Keep your eye out for that. Early next

1170
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,319
fall, um, we'll have a ribbon cutting

1171
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:31,760
for that new building. So, it'll be

1172
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,760
great. The other thing I wanted to talk

1173
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,319
about briefly was um ULCT. So this

1174
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:39,920
League of Cities and Towns conference

1175
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,520
that a few of us had the opportunity to

1176
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,400
go to down in St. George. Our keynote

1177
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,720
speaker is an individual by the name of

1178
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,599
Dr. Greg Jackson. He's an associate

1179
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,640
professor of history at Utah Valley

1180
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,280
University. He has a popular podcast

1181
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,680
called History That Doesn't Suck. And so

1182
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,920
he he gave kind of a a riveting story

1183
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,800
and he said as a historian a lot of

1184
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,200
times he gets asked the question have

1185
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,880
you ever imagined or seen a time in our

1186
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,920
country that's been more awful or more

1187
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,359
divided than it is right now? And as a

1188
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:22,880
historian, he can look at people and

1189
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,359
say, "Actually, yes, there have been

1190
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,359
many, many times that have been much

1191
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:30,079
more divided and much more worse than

1192
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,760
what we're going through right now." And

1193
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,640
he shared an example of that that was

1194
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,359
just just incredible of individuals that

1195
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:41,119
were killed um over their politics. And

1196
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,520
so, just a a reminder for all of us that

1197
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,560
yes, things are difficult. uh things can

1198
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,359
be difficult but we live in an

1199
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:51,680
incredible country. We are blessed to

1200
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,280
live in the best country uh in the

1201
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,119
world. Uh we have so many blessings here

1202
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,200
and so just a reminder that things

1203
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,160
aren't necessarily meant to be easy. Um

1204
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,520
things are meant to be a little more

1205
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,680
difficult to push us to help us figure

1206
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,560
out how we can come together and solve

1207
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,880
difficult problems. And I I believe that

1208
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,359
as a country we can do that can do that.

1209
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:15,359
So, thought that was a cool experience

1210
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:17,839
and a cool story that he shared. So, if

1211
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:19,920
you're interested in a fun podcast,

1212
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,560
history that doesn't suck. That's all

1213
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,280
I've got. Mayor,

1214
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,119
>> thank you, Councilman. I think it is on

1215
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,520
his podcast where he mentioned that uh

1216
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,599
Thomas Jefferson ran against John Adams

1217
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:31,280
for the presidency and they didn't speak

1218
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,839
for 11 years after running against each

1219
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:36,800
other. So, there's uh there's been some

1220
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,680
rocky times for sure. Uh thank you

1221
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,280
everyone for attending your meetings and reporting on them and and the good

1222
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,599
work you're doing uh besides your day

1223
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,359
jobs in the community. Appreciate it and

1224
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:49,680
it uh it's showing results. The only

1225
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,520
thing I wanted to bring up was the Utah

1226
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,560
State Junior Livestock Show was held at

1227
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,920
the u the fairgrounds this last week. Um

1228
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,760
these were projects from all over the

1229
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,640
state uh that came into our community

1230
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,359
and and some people stayed here um

1231
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:07,599
overwhelmed the the Hampton Inn again.

1232
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,280
So they had to stay somewhere else

1233
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,760
trying to trying to recruit some more

1234
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,040
hotel space down here in in our city for

1235
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,440
these big events that come in. But um a

1236
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,800
lot of people from all over the state

1237
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,359
for three days and then and then a sale

1238
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:24,640
day um that were really good. I had the

1239
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,160
opportunity to speak to some of the

1240
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,520
judges in this livestock show which I

1241
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,119
don't know anything about except

1242
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,200
watching the animals uh but I know

1243
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,040
people that know thing about it. they

1244
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,599
always bring in judges from outside of

1245
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,240
your area. Um, so they don't know

1246
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:41,760
people, they don't know names, they

1247
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,920
don't know families, they don't know,

1248
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,319
you know, kids or or whatever. And so

1249
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:48,319
it's trying to be that unbiased look at

1250
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:50,480
that animal and the way that it's it's

1251
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,240
being shown in the in the ring. So

1252
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,640
usually from Oklahoma and Ohio and the

1253
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,839
Midwest, uh, because they got a lot of a

1254
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:00,079
uh, you know, representation out there.

1255
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,880
And so these spoke to two of them while

1256
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:03,839
they were out here and they just

1257
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:05,760
couldn't believe um the city couldn't

1258
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,319
believe the facility. Um I said, "Well,

1259
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:09,599
come back next year. It's about to get

1260
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:12,079
better, right?" Uh and so they were all

1261
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:17,040
excited about that, but uh they they couldn't believe the quality of of

1262
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,200
livestock that were here, the the the

1263
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,720
good feelings that they had around that

1264
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,119
place. And so thank you uh for everybody

1265
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:24,800
that participated in that, all the

1266
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,040
families that uh keep an eye on each

1267
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,880
other. It's it's fun to watch a lot of

1268
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,920
people

1269
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,440
help each other out. Kids

1270
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920
leave their white shirt, you know, home

1271
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,680
or whatever, and what do they do? They

1272
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,280
put on another kid's shirt and they go

1273
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,280
show, you know, and just the camaraderie

1274
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,800
down there to help each other out and

1275
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,800
help animals that don't don't want to

1276
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,880
always listen either. So, cool stuff.

1277
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,119
The the state junior livestock show went

1278
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,839
off another year at our our fairgrounds

1279
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:53,440
and we'll continue for the next hundred.

1280
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,079
So, thanks uh thanks for Nick and his

1281
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:57,440
team down there taking care of everybody

1282
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,960
else, too, Dale. They did a great job.

1283
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,280
Mayor, did we see that you came home

1284
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,760
with a pig?

1285
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,040
>> Don't start. Jesse, we've we've now like

1286
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,200
we needed another project in my home,

1287
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,119
but uh yeah, now we've got

1288
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:12,000
>> You're showing pig.

1289
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,000
>> I'm not showing a pig. Jagger will show

1290
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,440
a pig in the county fair and I have no

1291
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,359
idea what we've got oursel into. So,

1292
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,040
>> where are you keeping it in the

1293
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:21,839
backyard?

1294
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:22,880
>> Is this legal?

1295
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,319
>> Yeah, it's We got a fence.

1296
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:30,720
Is it Is it some pig?

1297
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:31,280
>> Some pig.

1298
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,319
>> Yeah,

1299
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:34,559
>> it's down at his uncle Tyler's who I

1300
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,559
completely blame for talking him into

1301
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,079
it. Um the cousins are going to go do

1302
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,079
this experiment together. And we'll see

1303
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,880
if they, you know, play on play in the

1304
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,640
field down there more than help the pig.

1305
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,800
But it's uh Yeah, he's having a good

1306
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,240
time already. So, we'll see. Awesome.

1307
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:50,559
Yep.

1308
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,720
>> Had to go get a pair of muck boots

1309
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,880
already. You know what muck boots are?

1310
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,839
Well, you don't, but there's things you

1311
00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:00,480
don't Yep. Yep. Got got those going. So,

1312
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,720
pretty fun stuff.

1313
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,599
>> Okay. Um, council comments takes us to

1314
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:08,319
staff reports. Anything from the staff

1315
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:11,359
uh to catch up on from last meeting?

1316
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:12,960
>> I don't think so, mayor. I think we'll

1317
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,319
have enough new tonight.

1318
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:17,440
>> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Takes us to the

1319
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,760
Spanish Fork 101 section. Thank you,

1320
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,520
scouts, for joining us. We appreciate

1321
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,599
you coming and seeing us. come in. Come

1322
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,160
back anytime.

1323
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,240
>> The wastewater 101 and WRF update. Mr.

1324
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,280
Mayor will maybe introduce Zack Staley.

1325
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,040
He's our wastewater division manager.

1326
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,160
And

1327
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,079
>> um I just invited him to come talk about

1328
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,720
the treatment plant. You guys understand

1329
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,480
the investment of that and talk a little

1330
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,800
bit about how well it's doing now that

1331
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,520
it's been operating since last fall and

1332
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,079
really also what we can do as users of

1333
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:53,440
the system to help protect it. So,

1334
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,280
>> and we know what muck boots are. So, we understand that.

1335
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,280
>> Right in.

1336
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,359
>> So, like Cory said, I I'm excited to be

1337
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:02,880
here. Thanks for taking some time to

1338
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,200
listen and and uh get an update on the

1339
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,119
wastewater treatment facility. It's been

1340
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,119
a great project. We wrapped it up in

1341
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:14,720
October. This uh this last October. Um

1342
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,240
we're treating about 5 a.5 million

1343
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,240
gallons of water a day. That that's

1344
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:22,880
quite a large amount. And you know, as I've grown in this industry, you

1345
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,319
didn't quite put it into scale until you

1346
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:25,760
actually see it. And and a lot of you

1347
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,200
guys have seen the treatment plan and

1348
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,280
understand that. But it it's a large

1349
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,680
amount. Um, one thing I'd like to point

1350
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,440
out and on these next couple slides is

1351
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,720
we are exceeding our treatment

1352
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,760
expectations that we talked about as we

1353
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,040
designed this treatment facility.

1354
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,200
Um, as you all know, the reason we built

1355
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,040
the facility was we were a running out

1356
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,960
of capacity as far as hydraulics go. Um,

1357
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,960
B, we could not meet the nutrient limits

1358
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,480
that we needed to hit that were mand

1359
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,720
mandated by the state. Um, one of them

1360
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,359
being ammonia. Um, and I'd like to point

1361
00:52:57,359 --> 00:53:00,559
out um, our current ammonia limits that

1362
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,079
are outlined in our permit that was

1363
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:03,839
issued by the state for us to discharge

1364
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:08,240
into bodies of water um, is 6 milligrams

1365
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,599
per liter. um we could not hit that

1366
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:14,160
dependent you know consistently with the

1367
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,079
old facility and right now we are

1368
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,200
achieving an average of 0.16

1369
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,400
um amazing right um astronomically great

1370
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,240
um same thing with the phosphorus this

1371
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,400
was a big driver for us to jump into the

1372
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,359
facility that we're in now um the me

1373
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:34,640
membrane filtration facility um the

1374
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,400
state gave us an average for the year of

1375
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,319
1 milligram per liter which is again

1376
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:40,240
quite a bit less than ammonia limit but

1377
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:44,079
we are consistently below 0.1 milligs

1378
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:48,880
per liter. Um so it speaks volumes to

1379
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,359
the engineering and the design and the

1380
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:56,559
thought process and again you know we we understand and we we acknowledge the

1381
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,160
large capital investment it was for the

1382
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,920
city. It's the largest project the city

1383
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,480
has ever done um capital wise. Um and it

1384
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,559
is paying off. Uh we have a great group

1385
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:10,720
of guys. Uh there's 11 of us total that

1386
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,480
uh run the facility and outside the

1387
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,920
treatment plant, the collection system,

1388
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,440
and and they're doing a great job. I I I

1389
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,040
sit at my desk, so I'll give all credit

1390
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,119
to those guys. Um but we're we're loving

1391
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,119
the new facility. It's doing well, and

1392
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:26,559
we appreciate your guys' vote and

1393
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,880
support in in upgrading to that

1394
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,880
facility.

1395
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,920
Now, with great a good investment like

1396
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,319
that, we got to protect it. And um what

1397
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:38,000
that's the next thing I'd like to talk

1398
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,800
about and maybe give you know council

1399
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,720
and and those listening you know some

1400
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,599
thoughts as you go daytoday in your own

1401
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,280
home right there's things you can do to

1402
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,359
protect your own sewer lateral you know

1403
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:52,079
your line going out to the main but also

1404
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,920
protect our facility right so I'd like

1405
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,839
to talk about some things that are meant

1406
00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:58,400
to be sent to us and me not meant to

1407
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,160
right

1408
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,559
um I apologize for the picture this is

1409
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:07,599
an actual picture we took um in our town

1410
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:11,839
uh off of Third South and Third East. Uh

1411
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:16,160
we had a a uh an employee who was

1412
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,359
jetting the line. He was going up the

1413
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:19,520
line and he hit something not quite to

1414
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,280
the end of the line. And so he punched

1415
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,599
through it, pulled it back, and there's

1416
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,040
a lot of things in that picture that

1417
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,720
should not be in the sewer. Um,

1418
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,280
so a lot of this, all this information

1419
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,920
I'll plug, we can find on our website if

1420
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,319
you go to Spanishwork.gov,

1421
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:38,720
um, public works, the sewer tab, and

1422
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,640
then there's a tab that says my sewer

1423
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,640
responsibilities. And this outlines some

1424
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,880
of the things that should not go down

1425
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,720
the toilet or even down your drains,

1426
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,839
right? Fats, oils, and greases. Um,

1427
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:51,440
flushable wipes, even they're even if

1428
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,079
they're marked as flushable. uh fe

1429
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,799
feminine hygiene products, dental floss,

1430
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:58,640
kitty litter. Some of it's advertised as

1431
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,799
flushable. I never knew that until we

1432
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:04,319
got into this. Um hazardous household

1433
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:06,960
chemicals such as motor oil, pesticides,

1434
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,040
paint, solvents, you know, those can be

1435
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,640
disposed of at the transfer station.

1436
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,240
They charge you, but it's a better,

1437
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,440
safer way to do so. Um prescription

1438
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,200
drugs, and correct me if I'm wrong,

1439
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,480
Chief, but you guys still take them down

1440
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,400
at the uh at the police station. Uh lots

1441
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,319
of people and including myself, you

1442
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:25,680
thought just flush the ones you don't

1443
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,440
use right after you've had surgery cuz

1444
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,960
you don't want them anymore. But that's

1445
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,599
not the case. Those things are very hard

1446
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,280
to remove from the waste water and and

1447
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,520
never do. You know, our facility can't

1448
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,119
even remove the facial things.

1449
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,760
>> Um and maybe just something to think

1450
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,559
about be be sparing in your usage of

1451
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:47,680
your garbage disposal. Um scrape all the

1452
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,280
pieces of food that you have off your

1453
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,359
plate into the garbage. rinse it off,

1454
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:53,359
use it sparingly. Those kind of things

1455
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:56,160
are the I would say 90% of the phone

1456
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,680
calls we get from residents say, you

1457
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,040
know, they've got a plugged lateral,

1458
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,720
they've got something going on. It's

1459
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,079
because something went down the drain

1460
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,400
that shouldn't, whether it's food or

1461
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,240
some of these other items that I've

1462
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,280
talked about.

1463
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,760
Um, one other thing to think about, we

1464
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,440
deal with roots a lot, especially in the

1465
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,720
old part of town where we have clay

1466
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:19,599
lines. um the city doesn't plant trees

1467
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,000
um in those areas and and so that's one

1468
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,760
thing that we don't help our residents

1469
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,599
cover. But one thing I'd like to offer

1470
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,319
is a thought as you as you go about that

1471
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:29,760
process and you decide to plant a tree

1472
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,400
in your own home area at at your home.

1473
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,119
Um you know you know the plug call blue

1474
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:36,640
stakes find out what's underneath the

1475
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,559
ground so you don't damage a gas line or

1476
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,960
something like that. They'll mark your

1477
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,680
sewer line as well. Um think about where

1478
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,119
you're planting it. Those roots are

1479
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:46,720
attracted to moisture and they will

1480
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,240
follow down and follow that pipe. That

1481
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,880
is an actual again another picture we

1482
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,400
found

1483
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,400
uh a resident claim or called with an

1484
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,359
issue and we we thought it was an offset

1485
00:57:57,359 --> 00:57:59,280
joint. We didn't see anything but that

1486
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,200
route is the size of a 4-in clay pipe

1487
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,359
that has wrapped its way around that

1488
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:06,640
lateral and made it so they had backup

1489
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,760
issues.

1490
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,000
>> So So again, that's going to take a long

1491
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,079
time for that tree to get that big, but

1492
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:15,599
it it can happen. So, just a plug for

1493
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,680
use caution. Think about what is at your

1494
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,599
house and what could potentially happen.

1495
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,200
Uh, and then and then the last thing I'd

1496
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,280
like to touch on is just uh knowing your

1497
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,200
responsibility as a citizen here in in

1498
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,720
Spanish work. Spanish work is a very

1499
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,720
generous city as far as helping our

1500
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,880
residents out. We understand digging in

1501
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,799
the road and all these other things are expensive and it can be a burden on

1502
00:58:38,799 --> 00:58:41,359
the citizens and so Spanish work will

1503
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:44,880
help out with uh certain portions of

1504
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,400
replacement if it fits a certain

1505
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,359
category. Um if there's a structural

1506
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:52,160
defect, offset joint, broken pipe,

1507
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,440
something from the back edge of the

1508
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,440
sidewalk, you can see on there it shows

1509
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,359
the property line from there towards the

1510
00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,119
main line, we will help take care of if

1511
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:01,839
there's an issue. Um, the homeowner's

1512
00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:04,720
responsibility is from the back edge of

1513
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,960
the sidewalk to the home. Now, the

1514
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,960
exceptions are maintenance and roots,

1515
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,559
right? Maintenance, you know, clean your

1516
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,599
line. If you need a plumber, call them.

1517
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:17,119
Um, but if it's a root caused issue, the

1518
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:18,640
city doesn't plant trees, right? We

1519
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,480
don't plant the trees in your yard.

1520
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,400
That's something that we would look to

1521
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,920
the resident to take care of. Um,

1522
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,119
again, knowing this, it's, you know, an

1523
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:30,960
eye openener for me as, as far as I live

1524
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,040
in Salem. They don't take care of any of

1525
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,839
that stuff. Um, and so it's it's an eye

1526
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:37,359
opener opener for me to think about

1527
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:39,520
those things before I do those things at

1528
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,599
my own home. And I would, you know,

1529
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:43,119
implore that you guys do the same as

1530
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:47,839
well as you're thinking about trees and things that you you send down your

1531
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:50,319
toilet or drain.

1532
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:53,040
Um, again, here's a plug for Oh, who put

1533
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,440
that picture there?

1534
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,040
Jack.

1535
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,480
So, for more information, you can visit

1536
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,960
our website. Um, my contact information

1537
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,240
is on there as well. If you have a

1538
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,960
question, uh, we have our email

1539
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,920
addresses, uh, office phone numbers. Um,

1540
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,920
if there is an issue, please don't

1541
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,119
hesitate to call. We're more than happy

1542
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:14,960
to come help. But, um, anyways, any any

1543
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,950
questions?

1544
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,920
Zach,

1545
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,200
>> ask two questions. Zach would how often

1546
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,880
do we have a sewer backup once uh it

1547
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,119
depends on the year. Uh we we budget a

1548
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:32,319
certain amount to help take care of

1549
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:35,119
those things with with residents and and

1550
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,200
this year is an abnormal one. We are

1551
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,720
we're spending a lot of money in that.

1552
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,559
Um but there's some years that we spend

1553
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:43,280
hardly any money in that. So in the last

1554
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,799
10 years, our average has been something

1555
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:47,359
like one or less than one a year.

1556
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,920
>> I would say probably five a year

1557
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,960
>> sewer backups

1558
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,920
>> and not all are caused by on on the city

1559
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:54,799
side.

1560
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:57,440
>> We respond to probably five to five to

1561
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,200
seven a year and usually it's something

1562
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,599
that is caused on the resident side of

1563
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,040
the of the lateral.

1564
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,160
>> And so these things

1565
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,640
they seem so easy to just disappear down

1566
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,440
the drain,

1567
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,520
>> flush and forget it, right? but they

1568
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:12,960
don't forget

1569
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,440
>> and they come back in the nastiest of

1570
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:15,839
ways.

1571
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,680
>> And I will advocate if you guys would if

1572
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:18,960
anyone would like a tour of the

1573
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,040
facility, we we are open. Again, my

1574
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,040
contact information is on the website.

1575
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,319
We're more than happy to show you and

1576
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:25,359
we're more than happy to show you what

1577
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,680
comes on our way. So, I

1578
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,000
>> It's the greatest, nastiest room in the

1579
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,319
city.

1580
01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:33,359
>> It is. Yep. Smells something.

1581
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:34,559
>> We should have brought you up before the

1582
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:35,839
scouts left. I could have been there

1583
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:36,640
next.

1584
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,880
>> Scout. I actually took a preschool group

1585
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,760
through on Friday. So,

1586
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,760
>> very good.

1587
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,760
>> But I have a question to add to Zach.

1588
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,000
You know, often things we flush get down

1589
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,960
to the treatment plant and there's some

1590
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,359
pretty good screenings to get it out.

1591
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:56,720
Um, so even things we can put in the

1592
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,640
garbage, someone's putting them in the

1593
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,599
garbage just in a harder way. How many

1594
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,760
dumpsters do you haul off or how often

1595
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,160
do you haul off the dumpsters of debris

1596
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,920
that's screened out of our sewer?

1597
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,720
>> We have two dumpsters in our headworks

1598
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,319
facility. So that where the water comes

1599
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:14,400
in, we dump one of them once every other

1600
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,839
week and once the other one gets dumped

1601
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:21,200
once a week. So we are three dumpsters

1602
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,920
in two weeks. So six dumpsters a month

1603
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,680
>> of garbage that should not be put in

1604
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,200
there. It's a lot of banana peel

1605
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,200
stickers.

1606
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,760
>> And those don't get uh you can't take

1607
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,640
those to the dump and pay $12 a ton.

1608
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,920
>> No, we we get charged an astronomical

1609
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:38,640
amount to

1610
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,400
>> those are to hold those off. Yep.

1611
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,160
>> Yeah. And who pays for those?

1612
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,599
>> Citizens of Spanish,

1613
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,000
>> right? Yeah. I mean, it's not like some

1614
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,920
faceless, nameless, somebody's paying

1615
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,079
for it. You and I are through our rates,

1616
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:53,760
right? That's a part of sadly a part of

1617
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,480
the expense.

1618
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,760
>> Yep.

1619
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,760
and and and all that, you know, as I

1620
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,559
said, it's to protect our our investment

1621
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,640
that we just made, right? We spent so

1622
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,200
many millions of dollars and and that's

1623
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,640
to protect the filtration that's down

1624
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,160
there that's giving us those great

1625
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,309
results. So,

1626
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:13,280
» thank you, Zach.

1627
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,240
>> Thank you.

1628
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,440
>> Appreciate the update.

1629
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,280
>> Okay,

1630
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,240
that uh

1631
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,160
>> I've never seen Corey more proud. It's

1632
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,799
an interesting part of uh

1633
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:26,480
>> actually I have every time we talk about

1634
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,440
the treatment plan.

1635
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:28,079
>> Yeah,

1636
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,960
>> it's probably best.

1637
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,039
>> Okay, it takes us to consent items uh

1638
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:34,720
section of the agenda. There's A, B, and

1639
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,799
C. The minutes of the last meeting inlue

1640
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:38,240
donation and exchange of services

1641
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,400
agreement and the Brent money annexation

1642
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,480
agreement are all in consent items.

1643
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,079
Anybody have any questions about those

1644
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:46,400
consent items?

1645
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,400
If not, I would entertain a motion to

1646
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,760
approve the consent items.

1647
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,640
I move to approve the consent items.

1648
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:55,200
>> Second.

1649
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,359
>> Motion made by Councilman Tuk, second by

1650
01:03:57,359 --> 01:03:59,920
Councilwoman Beck. All in favor say yes.

1651
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:00,640
>> Yes.

1652
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,720
>> Can I consent items approved? Takes us

1653
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,200
to the new business section. This has A

1654
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,000
through F. First one is the res

1655
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,880
resolution for personnel policy updates.

1656
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:16,390
I'll bet that's what Kim's here for.

1657
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,799
Maybe she was waiting for walk up music.

1658
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:23,520
>> I was hoping Kim would do it.

1659
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:24,880
>> So, I don't know what's more exciting,

1660
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,119
me being here because May's kind of a

1661
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:30,640
big month or if it's Stacy and I sharing

1662
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,960
in my grandson's birthday in a couple

1663
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:33,839
weeks.

1664
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:36,880
>> I don't know. This is pretty exciting.

1665
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,720
>> But Harrison's much more exciting than

1666
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:39,039
this.

1667
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:40,880
>> Possibly. Possibly. That might be

1668
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:41,520
>> pretty lucky.

1669
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,720
>> That little boy smiles so big. His smile

1670
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:45,920
is so cute.

1671
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,680
>> He's awesome. Isn't he perfect?

1672
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,280
>> He's perfect. Shall we go on?

1673
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,440
>> Two grandmothers reminiscing about their

1674
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:54,240
grandson.

1675
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:55,920
>> Start showing pictures. No,

1676
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,240
>> his birthday party's on the 16th. If you

1677
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,559
want an address or the registry, we can

1678
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:02,720
share.

1679
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,160
>> Everybody's invited.

1680
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,680
>> I'll give I'll give a candy bar to

1681
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,599
whoever can decide. Tell me what the

1682
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,039
theme is.

1683
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,480
>> Disneyland.

1684
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:10,720
>> Disney.

1685
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:11,920
>> Yep. Seth got it.

1686
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,000
>> Candy bar. Oh, I thought the theme of

1687
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,280
the policy changes. No.

1688
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,039
>> Oh, no. No. His birthday party.

1689
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,760
So, hey, Jack, do you Yeah. So, I've

1690
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,799
we've got about 10 policies here um that

1691
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:27,440
we're we're going to submit to to get

1692
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,720
your approval. Uh just so you know,

1693
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,319
these policies have gone through the

1694
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:34,640
personnel committee. Uh just as a

1695
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,160
refresher, that personnel committee

1696
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,319
consists of the mayor, two council

1697
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:40,640
members, you've got admin, and then

1698
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,880
there's two employee representatives

1699
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,960
that go on that meeting. And we had a

1700
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,799
meeting, went over all of these in in a

1701
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:49,680
little bit greater detail, and then um

1702
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,520
made the final resolution, which is what

1703
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,319
we're presenting today. Uh I've got

1704
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:56,799
these broken up into three sections. You

1705
01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:58,319
can see we've got one that's

1706
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:01,359
clarification and compliance to state

1707
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:03,520
and federal law. Then we had some that

1708
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,000
are more changes to the policy and then

1709
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,319
we have a couple new ones. I'm not going

1710
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:11,039
to go into detail on all of them. If you

1711
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,520
guys have questions, please ask. I'm

1712
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,039
just going to give you more of an an

1713
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:17,599
overview and then give you an idea of

1714
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,640
what these changes um represent. And but

1715
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,559
feel free if you have questions, I can I

1716
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,640
can answer those. So the first section,

1717
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,280
the clarification and compliance. Um,

1718
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,200
for example, the bilingual, the the

1719
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,599
policies are still administered the

1720
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,160
same. We're just adding clarification.

1721
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,640
For example, that bilingual when we

1722
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:41,920
created this policy in 2003 or 23 2023,

1723
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,680
it was the full-time employees that we

1724
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,319
had in mind. And once we started

1725
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:48,079
implementing the policy, we realized

1726
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:49,440
that there's a lot of part-time

1727
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,839
employees out there that are using their

1728
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:54,079
second languages to benefit us as a

1729
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,880
city. And so we wrote policy to kind of

1730
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,520
help clarify how this policy um should

1731
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,000
be handled with our part-time employees.

1732
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,200
Uh couple other policies, the the

1733
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,599
political activity and the nepotism.

1734
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:12,480
These are examples of where we just used

1735
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,359
wording from the actual laws and put

1736
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:17,359
them in our policy to make to give some

1737
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:21,039
clarification. The nepotism we added um

1738
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:24,240
some definitions. Uh it's it's

1739
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,240
surprising how many qu times I get

1740
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,520
questions on my nepatism policy and

1741
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,359
we're hoping that with this change we

1742
01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:33,680
can go through the policy and we can say

1743
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,799
does this comply? Does it does it reach

1744
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:38,880
the nepotism point and and that's what

1745
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,880
these this section is is just

1746
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,799
clarification and helping our

1747
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:45,119
supervisors make the better decisions uh

1748
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,039
when it comes to to policies and their

1749
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:48,640
employees.

1750
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,480
The second section, the change of

1751
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,799
policies. These are policies that are

1752
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:56,799
actually been changed in some way. Um,

1753
01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:58,640
some are minor like the procedure for

1754
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,799
general grievance. This is simply

1755
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:02,880
stating that if somebody wants to file a

1756
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,079
grievance, they're going to come to the

1757
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:06,400
HR director rather than the assistant

1758
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,000
city manager. This is just a

1759
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,559
clarification of where employees go to

1760
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:13,680
the fire and EMS policy. you know that

1761
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,760
our fire and EMS department is a really

1762
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,880
young department right now and we tried

1763
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,000
to create policies that um represented

1764
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,520
and we're going to be for long time but

1765
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,480
as we started to utilize those policies

1766
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:31,040
we're re realizing that we need to make

1767
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,279
changes and it's as we use them and

1768
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,400
that's this one here um all this is

1769
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:40,960
doing is if a firefighter or EMS has

1770
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,319
earned some holiday time. Right now, the

1771
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,560
policy is if that employee leaves the

1772
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,279
city, they don't get bought out or paid

1773
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,279
for those holidays that they've earned.

1774
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,080
This policy is changing that. Now, if a

1775
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,719
firefighter earns those upon separation,

1776
01:08:56,719 --> 01:08:58,960
we do give them a buyout for those since

1777
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,120
they've been earned. I'm going to go

1778
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,679
over these last two policies in a little

1779
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:05,279
bit more detail just because they are

1780
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,400
new. The obligation to report private

1781
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,239
conduct. This is requiring our employees

1782
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,679
that if they are convicted or arrested

1783
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:18,960
of a a misdemeanor or a felony, we don't

1784
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,400
care about the parking tickets, the

1785
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,319
speeding tickets, but if it's a

1786
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:23,920
misdemeanor or a felony, they need to

1787
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,719
contact HR. We need to know these in

1788
01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:29,120
case this um affects their position in

1789
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,359
any way. And it protects our residents,

1790
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:34,080
it protects our employees. Um and so

1791
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,920
this is just policy stating that they

1792
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,960
need to come to HR and let us know.

1793
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,199
The last one is the uniform and apparel

1794
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:44,880
policy. The uniform policy is stating

1795
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,319
just remaining the same but the same but

1796
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,719
the apparel policy we're adding. And

1797
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:53,040
just so you know this policy has

1798
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,719
actually been in the works for about two

1799
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,880
years. It you know been talking about it

1800
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,320
saying hey we need to make a change

1801
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,640
here. And now um after a lot of effort

1802
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,719
um Carson put a lot of effort in putting

1803
01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:06,800
this policy together. He had a committee

1804
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,800
together of other departments um to make

1805
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,199
sure that we're representing everybody

1806
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:16,719
the best that we can. And this policy is

1807
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:20,320
just giving really good guidance on um

1808
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:21,840
what each division, what each

1809
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,840
department, what each individual um

1810
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,840
should receive as far as apparel.

1811
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,960
something for our linemen and what their

1812
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,880
needs are, their protective gear is

1813
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,880
going to be different than what I need.

1814
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,600
And so this just kind of outlines that.

1815
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,000
One thing in this policy that uh does

1816
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,360
affect our employees is we are making

1817
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:42,880
policy

1818
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,960
that our employees as long as they're

1819
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,080
working for the city on city time they

1820
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,280
cannot wear the logo or branding of

1821
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,600
companies or individuals that we have

1822
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,520
done work with or are currently doing

1823
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,840
work with. The reason for this is we

1824
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,239
don't want to give that perceived um

1825
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,880
favoritism or conflict of interest. they

1826
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,880
can wear those apparels on, you know,

1827
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,520
after hours at home, but just on on the

1828
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,520
job, they're no longer to wear those

1829
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,400
logoed or branded apparel.

1830
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,159
Those are the policies. I'll open it up

1831
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,800
to you if you have any questions.

1832
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,790
If not,

1833
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,480
» Councilman Marshall and I sit on this

1834
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:23,679
committee and went through everything

1835
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:26,400
and approve it.

1836
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,360
>> There you go.

1837
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:28,000
>> I second.

1838
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,760
>> If that's helpful. Oh,

1839
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,840
>> I thought you made a motion.

1840
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:32,560
No.

1841
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:32,880
>> Oh,

1842
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,159
>> I'm just letting them know that

1843
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,159
>> she's letting us know that Okay. that we

1844
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:37,040
did our job and we

1845
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,360
>> You did your job on that committee. So,

1846
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,239
>> appreciate that.

1847
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:41,760
>> Thank you, Kim.

1848
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:42,960
>> I'll see you next Saturday at the

1849
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,719
birthday party.

1850
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:46,239
>> Wow.

1851
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:48,560
>> Okay. Uh there's a motion. Uh I think

1852
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,480
Stacey kind of made a motion there, but

1853
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,320
didn't formally make the motion, but

1854
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,800
there is a motion to be made to adopt

1855
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,080
the personnel policy updates.

1856
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,000
If so inclined,

1857
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,920
>> I will move to approve the ordinance to

1858
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,920
approve the resolution for the personnel

1859
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,040
policy updates.

1860
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:05,440
>> Second.

1861
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,040
>> Motion made by Councilwoman Beck,

1862
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,360
seconded by Councilman Marshall. Uh, a

1863
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,120
roll call vote. Councilman Tuk, yes.

1864
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,199
Councilman Carden, Councilman Oiler,

1865
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:14,400
Councilwoman Beck, yes.

1866
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,520
>> And Councilman Marshall,

1867
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:16,560
>> yes.

1868
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,040
>> Personnel policy updates are updated.

1869
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,719
Thank you, Kim.

1870
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:23,840
>> Takes us to ordinance adopting title

1871
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:29,110
five amendment.

1872
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,320
All right, we're talking signs.

1873
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,719
So, uh, specifically, we're talking

1874
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:37,679
project signage, uh, plans. That's what

1875
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:39,920
that's, uh, the the amendment today. So,

1876
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,000
as a quick refresher, project signage

1877
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,719
plans allow a property owner to apply

1878
01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:47,520
for signage that exceeds our standard

1879
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,159
limitations on signage. Uh this could

1880
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:51,600
mean a greater number of signs on the

1881
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,480
property, maybe a taller sign, um maybe

1882
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:57,280
some more copy area on the sign. Um but

1883
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,560
just in general something that might

1884
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,560
exceed the normal limitations in some

1885
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,400
way. Um so as a part of this project

1886
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,800
sign application, um they have to

1887
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,159
provide information showing where the

1888
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:09,920
signs are going to be on the site, uh

1889
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,480
the dimensions of the signage proposed,

1890
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:16,880
um etc, etc., uh for staff to review. Um

1891
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,120
and then the rest of the process is

1892
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,159
going to work the same. The project

1893
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:21,600
signage plans have to come to the

1894
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,199
planning commission and then to the city

1895
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,719
council for um ultimate approval. Um but

1896
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:28,080
the amendments we're making, if you go

1897
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,080
to the next slide,

1898
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:30,960
if you want

1899
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:38,390
>> Oh, thank you. I do.

1900
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:47,510
» Oh.

1901
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,440
there we go. It's hitting the wrong

1902
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:51,840
button. That's on me. Okay. So, the

1903
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,280
first amendment we're making here um

1904
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,199
lowers the minimum site area requirement

1905
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,440
for a property owner to make application

1906
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:02,080
from 5 acres down to 4 acres. And I just

1907
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:03,840
want to note that this was kind of a

1908
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,800
last minute change. Um, this was, if you

1909
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,719
saw the draft last week, it it remained

1910
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:10,239
at five acres, but at the property

1911
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:12,880
owner's request, we've um moved that

1912
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,400
down to four acres. Um, and then the

1913
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,120
second amendment is uh addresses

1914
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,880
building size. Currently, the site needs

1915
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,880
to have at least 50,000 square feet of

1916
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,480
building space. So, that can be more

1917
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:27,199
than one building to qualify uh for a

1918
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:29,440
project signage plan. Um, this would

1919
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:32,320
remove that requirement only if you are

1920
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,719
within 400 ft of an Interstate 15

1921
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:37,120
interchange. Um, for any site further

1922
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,120
than 400 ft from an interchange, that

1923
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,360
50,000 ft building requirement remains

1924
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,480
the exact same as it is today. Um, we're

1925
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,880
proposing this because sites that are

1926
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,920
have close proximity to um, I-15

1927
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,520
interchanges

1928
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,520
um, kind of have a unique opportunity to

1929
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:54,960
generate some revenue that other

1930
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,040
properties in the city just simply don't

1931
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,320
because of their their proximity to um,

1932
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:01,840
transitors down the highway, people

1933
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,520
getting on and off, etc., etc. Um but

1934
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,159
finally, most importantly with this, um

1935
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:11,120
this really should only open up a small

1936
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,800
number of property owners to make

1937
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,040
application. Um it does not obligate the

1938
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,520
council to approve anything. The rest of

1939
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,520
the process is entirely the same. We're

1940
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,600
essentially just changing some of the

1941
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,960
requirements that someone would have to

1942
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,520
meet in order to qualify to apply for a

1943
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,800
project signage plan. Um, so it will

1944
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,080
still come to the planning commission,

1945
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,760
it will still come to the council. Um,

1946
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,159
you'll get to see those signage plans uh

1947
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:38,080
with the specific

1948
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,159
um signs proposed at that time.

1949
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:45,360
Any questions? Is a property owner with

1950
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,280
this change or with their current change

1951
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,239
are property owners

1952
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,760
as a council are we able to what are the

1953
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,719
criteria to deny a sign? for example,

1954
01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:58,640
are they entitled to be able to put a

1955
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,880
sign on their property

1956
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,239
>> under the standard Title 5 requirements?

1957
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:07,120
Um, yes. The the project signage plan is

1958
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,719
just for signage that may exceed some of

1959
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:13,520
the standard uh limitations in Title 5.

1960
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,600
So, if you wanted, for example, a

1961
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,080
freestanding sign, pull sign, and a

1962
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,280
monument sign, you'd have to have a

1963
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,120
project signage plan. um you uh normally

1964
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,640
as long as I don't remember the

1965
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:25,520
requirement. I think there's a

1966
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,040
requirement for both of those uh to

1967
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,440
qualify for at least one, but this if

1968
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:32,960
you had a project signage plan, you

1969
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,800
could propose to have multiple of them.

1970
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,880
>> And if it gets approved by the council,

1971
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,560
then then they're allowed to do that.

1972
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,719
>> Yeah. And you guys can also at the time

1973
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:42,640
that it comes to you with that specific

1974
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,239
project signage plan, make request

1975
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:45,679
modifications to it. So if you were

1976
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:47,199
like, we think this is too many pole

1977
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,120
signs, could you get rid of one of

1978
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,000
these? Um, so there is still some some

1979
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,800
play with it when it each one finally

1980
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,880
gets to you in the end essentially. But

1981
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,400
for the most part, nothing is changing

1982
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,800
with project signage plans. Just that um

1983
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,920
minimum building space if you're within

1984
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,080
400 ft of an interchange.

1985
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,520
>> So the threshold is changing.

1986
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:10,480
>> Yeah, the threshold's changing,

1987
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:12,239
>> but not how it's approved.

1988
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:13,120
>> Yeah, exactly.

1989
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,679
>> Okay. Um,

1990
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:18,719
how do you measure 400 feet and from an

1991
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:20,960
interchange or interchanges

1992
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,239
>> from an the way it was explained was

1993
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:25,760
essentially if you can measure from

1994
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,120
somewhere on the interchange to

1995
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:28,400
somewhere on the property. It doesn't

1996
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,000
have to go across the entire property or meet the center point of it. If it

1997
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,760
can get to the property from an

1998
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,360
interchange, um, then we would call that

1999
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,640
400 ft. So I guess from and on or off

2000
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:46,229
ramp um of I-15.

2001
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,239
» Do we want to get in a point of gore?

2002
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:48,640
>> Yeah,

2003
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:49,679
>> I would pick some point.

2004
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:51,679
>> Where in that interchange does it have

2005
01:17:51,679 --> 01:17:54,480
to be on the road? Is it on the right?

2006
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:59,189
>> It's probably fairly long.

2007
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,040
» When does an interchange start and stop?

2008
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,159
Let's let's take

2009
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:06,080
>> Yeah. the SR 147, the Arrowhead trail,

2010
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,920
Arrowhead Road that's getting on I-15.

2011
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,920
Where where is that point referenced

2012
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,400
from? Someone could argue that that

2013
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:16,719
on-ramp going westbound is on 147

2014
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:18,480
itself.

2015
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,239
So, does it come all the way back? I

2016
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:22,239
mean, it just I think for just clarity

2017
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:24,719
sake, some reference to there would be

2018
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:25,120
helpful.

2019
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,800
>> Yeah. Um,

2020
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,760
>> so would it be maybe sufficient to say

2021
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,080
from the asphalt of the off-ramp, from

2022
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,360
the uh ride ofway of the of the offramp?

2023
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:38,800
I I mean, I think either of those are

2024
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,640
good

2025
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,880
uh probably

2026
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,120
good

2027
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,320
things to reference, but

2028
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,159
um I like I like where you're headed. I

2029
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:54,400
think it's it provides clarity. Um,

2030
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,159
so I'm just looking at a map and I think

2031
01:18:56,159 --> 01:19:02,560
I would um I would probably

2032
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,920
It's not the off That's not the offramp.

2033
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,040
Um, I would say from

2034
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,400
I think my natural thought would be from

2035
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,600
the asphalt.

2036
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,880
>> Which as what point on the asphalt?

2037
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,800
>> The closest point. I mean to be most

2038
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,800
generous I'd probably

2039
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:19,840
>> It's probably semantics. It's probably

2040
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,480
not that big a deal, but just

2041
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:24,239
I guess we'll interpret it as we need

2042
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:24,560
to.

2043
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,480
>> Is it where the asphalt intersects other

2044
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,440
asphalt or are you talking asphalt?

2045
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,199
>> I mean,

2046
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:37,189
>> yeah. Dave suggests uh right of way.

2047
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:38,320
» From watching

2048
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:39,280
>> from Nashville.

2049
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,000
>> Okay.

2050
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,280
>> He's watching. Really?

2051
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,960
>> That's what some people do when they

2052
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,000
>> when they're on trips.

2053
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,920
>> Nashville. I think we add a thing that

2054
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:49,199
Shane is the one who gets to go measure

2055
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:49,840
them all too.

2056
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:54,080
>> Well, I mean I sure um that does not

2057
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,719
help a point of reference. It's now

2058
01:19:56,719 --> 01:20:00,480
right away for a length of time for a

2059
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:03,600
Where does that right away?

2060
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,000
>> Start and stop.

2061
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,440
>> Come on, staff. Pick a point.

2062
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:10,960
Well, I'm looking I'm looking at a map

2063
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,800
where I can see where right ofway ends

2064
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,120
and I would say, you know, if if this is

2065
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:16,960
the closest point, I'd go 400 feet and

2066
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,960
say it's 400 feet or it's not. That's

2067
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,960
>> right. That's what I would say.

2068
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,440
>> Not okay.

2069
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:23,840
>> Yeah.

2070
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:24,960
>> So, you're saying the interstate

2071
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,000
rightway?

2072
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,600
>> Interstate rightway. Okay. The

2073
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,280
interchanges

2074
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:30,560
>> the rightway associated with the

2075
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:31,440
interchange. Yeah.

2076
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:31,920
>> Okay.

2077
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:32,640
>> Is that helpful?

2078
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,280
>> Is helpful.

2079
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,840
>> For the record, I have a map of the

2080
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,679
interchange at Benjamin that we were

2081
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:40,960
looking at, but submit it to

2082
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,719
>> I'll take a snapshot of it.

2083
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:44,719
>> So if we put So if we put in the

2084
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:46,880
language

2085
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,320
>> what the minimum building space

2086
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,440
requirement is waved for sites located

2087
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,199
within 400 ft of the

2088
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:57,760
>> rightway of the I-15

2089
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:58,640
interchange.

2090
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,400
>> Yeah, there you go. That's helpful.

2091
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,719
>> Rightway of the I-15 interchange and

2092
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:04,800
take the plural off the interchanges.

2093
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,080
>> Yep.

2094
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,120
>> Right. Okay. That's it.

2095
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,080
>> Go ahead with that motion then.

2096
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,760
>> Thank you, Ian. Any any other questions

2097
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,400
for Ian about this?

2098
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,120
>> Can Ian do all of these?

2099
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,400
>> Well, David can too.

2100
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,280
>> No, not Dave.

2101
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:20,080
>> No,

2102
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,719
>> Dave can. Yes,

2103
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:24,480
>> I

2104
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,400
David G. Anderson. No, I'm just kidding.

2105
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,920
Is he really watching? Hey, if there's

2106
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,920
no other I heard you

2107
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,560
>> questions for Ian or uh or his team, I'd

2108
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,960
entertain a motion for item B with I

2109
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,600
think that adjusted language in there.

2110
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,640
Added language.

2111
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,400
>> Was there amended language? You

2112
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:43,440
>> you want me to add it?

2113
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:44,080
>> Yeah.

2114
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,120
>> Add lib.

2115
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,960
>> All right. I move to approve the

2116
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,159
ordinance to modify the city's

2117
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:49,600
application recurrence for project

2118
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,600
signing plans with the addition of

2119
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:58,080
adding to that sentence 400 ft from

2120
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,790
interstate rightway.

2121
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,880
» Okay. Motion made by Councilman

2122
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,320
Marshall.

2123
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,800
>> Uh well, we're we're targeting around

2124
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:09,920
>> the interchange itself.

2125
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,040
>> Yeah. We're not necessarily going the

2126
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:11,280
whole

2127
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,080
>> 400 ft of interstate

2128
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,840
>> interchange right away.

2129
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,120
>> Okay, we can.

2130
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,000
>> Von says yes.

2131
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,280
>> We can handle that.

2132
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,040
>> I'd like a yes from Von.

2133
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,480
>> I I Okay, second. Motion made by

2134
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:26,000
Councilman Marshall, seconded by

2135
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,880
Councilman uh Carden. A roll call vote

2136
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,800
here. Councilwoman Beck. Councilman

2137
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,480
Marshall. Yes. Councilman

2138
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:33,920
>> Tuk. Yes. Councilman Carden.

2139
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:34,239
>> Yes.

2140
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:35,360
>> And Councilman Oiler.

2141
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:36,320
>> Yes.

2142
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,480
>> Item B is approved. Thank you. Good

2143
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:42,480
discussion. Appreciate it. Uh item C is

2144
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:45,440
Creekide Town Homes amended development

2145
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:47,199
agreement.

2146
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:48,480
>> This is David H.

2147
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:49,920
>> David H.

2148
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,400
>> All right. So

2149
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,120
the Creekide Village development uh is

2150
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,520
on the west side or sorry the east side

2151
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,880
of Main Street um close to the Fit City

2152
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,480
Center.

2153
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:05,360
Uh there's a new uh buyer for the

2154
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,560
development that's looking to build town

2155
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,560
homes. Um and the the proposal that they

2156
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,679
have is similar to what was uh shown

2157
01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:19,199
during the approval process um and the

2158
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:23,440
reason uh with some minor uh changes. So

2159
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:27,199
they they felt that due to how close it

2160
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:28,960
is to the Fit City Center and there

2161
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,239
there's wonderful amenities there um in

2162
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,719
order to support that, they didn't feel

2163
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:38,480
the need to have a clubhouse and pool in

2164
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,880
their community when they've got one

2165
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,120
that's uh Kitty Corner from from where

2166
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,760
this would be. So they're proposing to

2167
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,840
swap that out with an additional pickle

2168
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,480
ball court as well as a tot lot. And

2169
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:53,280
then there's some minor changes to the

2170
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:54,880
elevations

2171
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,080
that were shown uh originally. So this

2172
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,120
is the site plan for the layout of the

2173
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,800
development that was approved. Um and

2174
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,920
then the new one has the three pickle

2175
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,159
ball courts and the tot lot in the

2176
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:13,360
northern portion of that. Um there's

2177
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,080
minor changes to where guest parking

2178
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:17,360
would be located throughout the

2179
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,840
community. Um the street configuration

2180
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,040
is is uh changed slightly, but overall

2181
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,920
it's it's it's roughly the same kind of

2182
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,080
layout and format uh for what was

2183
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,199
approved.

2184
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:31,760
>> No more units.

2185
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,040
>> Same amount of units.

2186
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:33,280
>> Okay.

2187
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,280
>> Can you describe what a tot?

2188
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,040
>> Uh like a playground.

2189
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,080
>> It's just a playground.

2190
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,000
>> Yeah.

2191
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,520
Um, so this is the elevations for what

2192
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:44,159
is the

2193
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:46,880
>> he has three tots

2194
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,920
>> for the for the units that are on the

2195
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,920
south end that are front loaded. Um,

2196
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,440
these these were the elevations that

2197
01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:58,560
were approved. And then these are the

2198
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,520
new elevations uh done by Visionary

2199
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,320
Homes showing similar roof pitches um a

2200
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,880
little bit different uh materials but

2201
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,960
overall the same kind of look with the

2202
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:15,600
same kind of layout of the of the site.

2203
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,760
Um these are the other units that are on

2204
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,600
the northern end and that would face

2205
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,199
along uh Main Street. Uh these were ones

2206
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:25,040
that were approved and these are the new

2207
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:26,560
ones that have more of a pitched roof

2208
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:27,199
look

2209
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:29,440
>> rather than the flat roof look that was

2210
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:32,000
uh previously approved.

2211
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,080
So um we do have representatives here

2212
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,480
that could answer uh any specific

2213
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:38,639
questions about uh changes between the

2214
01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:42,080
two looks um or the layout, but I'd be

2215
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,360
happy to answer any questions that you

2216
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:44,880
have at this time.

2217
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,520
>> I personally like the new layouts a lot

2218
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,960
better. I I like this look. I just when

2219
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,960
I look at that I worry still about

2220
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,159
parking and so

2221
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:58,159
what about a thought of not adding a

2222
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:00,080
pickle ball court or a tot lot and

2223
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,320
adding more parking stalls either one or

2224
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,639
the other or do we feel really

2225
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:06,159
comfortable that we have enough parking

2226
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:06,800
in there?

2227
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,880
>> Are we required to have a certain amount

2228
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,040
of amenities within a

2229
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,199
>> development? Yeah, this is in the R4

2230
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:15,520
zone. So, the code does say that there's

2231
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,760
a certain amount of uh amenities based

2232
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,600
on the number of units that are being

2233
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:20,880
proposed.

2234
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,159
>> But in that same vein, I

2235
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:23,679
>> you could call it parking amenity if you

2236
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:24,560
wanted to.

2237
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,760
>> I'm I struggle with the even I don't

2238
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,040
struggle with getting rid of the pool. I

2239
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,000
do struggle with getting rid of the the

2240
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,280
clubhouse. There's 169 units in this

2241
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,960
with nowhere really to go.

2242
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:39,280
>> Fit city.

2243
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:40,159
>> What do you mean nowhere to go?

2244
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:43,040
>> Across the street,

2245
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,000
right? Okay. So, but a but a clubhouse

2246
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,239
isn't used for fitness.

2247
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:49,600
>> What's the purpose of a clubhouse? I

2248
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:49,840
guess

2249
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,199
>> usually it's a meeting area for people

2250
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,280
in a town home facility if they have

2251
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:54,639
family gatherings and those type of

2252
01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:55,760
things.

2253
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,639
>> And I'm not worried about that. So I

2254
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:00,400
when I lived in a town home on the east

2255
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,320
end of town by the golf course and we

2256
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:07,120
had to have a HOA mu meeting or whatever

2257
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,120
to elect our new officials each year we

2258
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,159
would go up to the reservoir and use one

2259
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:13,679
of the pavilions that they've got up

2260
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:18,320
there. These guys are just across the street from the

2261
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,199
pavilions at the sports park. So I I

2262
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:24,080
don't feel like that's really needed as

2263
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,000
much as maybe

2264
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,560
I Yeah. I don't know.

2265
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,360
>> I would disagree.

2266
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:32,880
>> Just because I think that I've been in

2267
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,120
enough of these projects where they need

2268
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,159
places to

2269
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:37,760
>> be, right?

2270
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,040
>> That's just my opinion, I guess.

2271
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,639
>> Going to be a day.

2272
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:43,920
>> I'm only one of five, though.

2273
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,880
>> So, this does remove clubhouse.

2274
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,400
>> Yeah. So, they would be removing the

2275
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:49,679
clubhouse in the pool.

2276
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:54,000
>> I I guess my question is then what was the intended purpose of the

2277
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,480
clubhouse before? and maybe we can get

2278
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:57,520
whoever was

2279
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,679
>> I I don't know if we had a very detailed

2280
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:01,600
floor plan of what was being proposed

2281
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:02,800
when it went through the reszone

2282
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,440
process. I think it was uh probably had

2283
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:07,440
some bathrooms uh changing rooms maybe

2284
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,760
associated with the pool being there

2285
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,400
>> and then a small meeting area is would

2286
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,239
be my assumption with part of that being

2287
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:16,400
dedicated to maybe some exercise

2288
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,149
equipment.

2289
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:21,440
» You said there were some representatives

2290
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:22,080
here, right?

2291
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:22,320
>> Yeah.

2292
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:23,840
So, they could tell us some more.

2293
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,480
Any questions for David before you

2294
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:27,280
>> Sorry, mayor.

2295
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:28,080
>> No, you're all right.

2296
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,320
>> Can you remind me what with the layout

2297
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:31,920
that they've got right now, what's the

2298
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,960
parking per unit? Where are they at?

2299
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,280
>> Um, so it's required to have uh I

2300
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,280
believe 2.5

2301
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:43,280
uh stalls per unit. Um,

2302
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,280
and then with this, there was the the

2303
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:52,000
text amendment that changed the uh the standard street uh that is parallel

2304
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,199
to Main Street. uh where uh the

2305
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:57,520
applicant was initially showing a 20-

2306
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,159
foot driveway and what was approved was

2307
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:02,719
a 25- foot driveway requirement. So that

2308
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:04,400
gave some uh

2309
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,320
>> some more space for parking different

2310
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,880
types of vehicles there to to help with

2311
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,159
any parking issues that

2312
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:11,760
>> those are the ones just along Main

2313
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:12,320
Street.

2314
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:16,709
>> Yes.

2315
01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:19,760
I like when uh renderings include

2316
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,000
fitting an F-150

2317
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,239
and a sedan in their stuff because

2318
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:28,719
we have F-150s

2319
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:34,229
and there's an F350 there.

2320
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:36,080
» Okay. Thank you, Mr. Man. Any other

2321
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:37,360
questions for Mr. Man? Do you want to

2322
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,600
hear from the applicant to ask him any

2323
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,679
additional questions for these

2324
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:42,800
adjustments

2325
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,560
>> you want to ask? Yeah, I would love to

2326
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,320
just hear more about the clubouses and

2327
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,239
thoughts.

2328
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:51,280
>> The applicants here feel free to 761

2329
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:52,080
stalls.

2330
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:53,600
>> 761

2331
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:54,480
169 units

2332
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:56,239
>> version picture. It gives you a town

2333
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:58,159
there.

2334
01:29:58,159 --> 01:29:59,040
>> Thank you sir.

2335
01:29:59,040 --> 01:29:59,760
>> Mark Hampton.

2336
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,480
>> Hello Mark. Mark Hampton.

2337
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,239
>> Um yeah the original intent of the

2338
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:06,400
clubhouse as you remember was fit mostly

2339
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,520
fitness. We have uh we do a lot of uh

2340
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:10,960
apartments and most of our club houses

2341
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,440
are for fitness for our residents. When

2342
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:15,679
we noticed the beautiful facility across

2343
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:17,679
the street, we thought why not create

2344
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:19,600
some activities outside then have the

2345
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,639
fitness in the city uh rec center and

2346
01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:24,239
that's why that's why the thought for

2347
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:25,760
the change and as parking goes you

2348
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,360
remember we did have uh a 20 foot drive.

2349
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,000
We you right before our vote we

2350
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:33,679
amendment

2351
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:36,800
was made to 25 which then allowed all

2352
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,639
that parking. So I think we exceed the

2353
01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:42,239
parking by almost 35 40% more than we

2354
01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:44,880
need because we can count the stalls uh

2355
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,719
the driveways as as parking and the

2356
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:48,800
garages. So I think we have plenty of

2357
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:53,120
parking. Um, but yeah, the intent on the clubhouse originally was for

2358
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:57,120
fitness and and uh HOA meetings or

2359
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:58,800
whatever you you would have in in a

2360
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,320
clubhouse, but but in a in a town home

2361
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,960
facility, it's not as used as much as an

2362
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,560
apartment facility for rent. Now,

2363
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,280
remember, these aren't for rent, so it's

2364
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,400
not going to be used for that kind of

2365
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:11,120
thing.

2366
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,800
>> That answer the question. And I do like

2367
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:14,480
the elevations better, too.

2368
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:15,120
>> What was that?

2369
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,280
>> I do like I I agree. The elevations are

2370
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,320
better this time. Yeah, they look good.

2371
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,320
Yeah. Any other questions about the

2372
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,639
original intent? And then the applicants

2373
01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:24,880
here that are or the buyers, the people

2374
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,239
that are buying and going to build these

2375
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:29,520
are here too to answer any questions.

2376
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,280
>> I don't think so. Thank you, Mark.

2377
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:32,880
>> Appreciate it.

2378
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:33,920
>> Go ahead.

2379
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,800
>> Uh John Moric, um Visionary Homes. One,

2380
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,320
the comment I would just make is we've

2381
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:39,600
found with all of our town home

2382
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,000
communities right now that um people

2383
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,600
actually request more of the outdoor

2384
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,320
like pickle ball courts, trails, walking

2385
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,719
paths uh than they do actual the pool.

2386
01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:51,679
we find is um it's only used

2387
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:53,840
less than half the year. Um and

2388
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,600
especially with I just again across the

2389
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:56,800
street you guys have that wonderful

2390
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,040
facility. And one of the goals too is to

2391
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,679
try to keep the HOA dues as low as we

2392
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:04,880
can just to help with affordability. um

2393
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,560
the attainability of of these are going

2394
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,159
to are going to be on the market, but we

2395
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:09,600
just trying to keep the HOA fees down as

2396
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,360
low as we can and the clubhouse will be

2397
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,840
a number one hit to that budget. So,

2398
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:14,480
>> makes sense.

2399
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:15,679
>> Okay, thank you.

2400
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:16,080
>> Yeah,

2401
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,480
>> thank you.

2402
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,080
>> You bet.

2403
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:21,120
>> Yeah, probably for you.

2404
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:22,400
>> Yeah.

2405
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,600
>> And I think these are all city streets

2406
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:26,960
that we're looking at, not private

2407
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,360
streets, right? And so they they've got

2408
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,920
a width where if there isn't a driveway

2409
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,600
that I can park along that street,

2410
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:34,159
right?

2411
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:34,560
>> Yeah.

2412
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:35,600
>> You're not I mean it's not going to be a

2413
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:36,400
private road. So

2414
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:37,520
>> not private. That's correct. Yeah.

2415
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,360
>> H can't shut it down. It's wide enough

2416
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,040
that you could park

2417
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:42,960
>> on one side. So as I'm looking at this I

2418
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,239
think I'm looking at your concern,

2419
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:47,280
Stacy. I I I shared I'm I'm thinking

2420
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:48,880
>> I actually have a daughter that lives in

2421
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,440
one of your projects and um in another

2422
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,600
community and so where would I park when

2423
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,520
I go and visit her? and and there's a

2424
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,159
lot of parking in this side, but not so

2425
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:00,560
much on that side. So, I think you're

2426
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,400
going to see a decent amount of on

2427
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,159
street parking

2428
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:05,840
where there isn't a driveway. I think

2429
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,280
that's where people are going to go

2430
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,440
because as I'm going to park at, you

2431
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:11,360
know, as I'm looking at unit 152 or

2432
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,360
whatever, I can't park in front of 152

2433
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,600
because that would block a driveway, but

2434
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,440
I can park across the street where there

2435
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:20,080
isn't a driveway.

2436
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,120
And then I think you got a few small

2437
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,080
parking stalls over there. I'm not

2438
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,480
trying to say that it's parked enough.

2439
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:29,920
I'm just trying to reason where would I

2440
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,600
park because that's exactly what I think

2441
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,920
I'm seeing what you're asking.

2442
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,280
>> It just brings to my mind all the

2443
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:36,639
questions I had last time about the

2444
01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:37,199
parking.

2445
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:39,120
>> And I Yeah. And I can't speak to the

2446
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,679
former, but I know for that part of it

2447
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:43,360
is that there's, you know, we always

2448
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:44,560
said if you're going to have a driveway,

2449
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:45,600
people want to park on it, make sure

2450
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,000
it's over 18 feet. um you know because

2451
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,199
that way just you have plenty of room

2452
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:52,480
there to double stack. Um but yeah that

2453
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:53,920
and you know personally pickle ball

2454
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,719
courts I my son um lives down in Utah

2455
01:33:56,719 --> 01:33:58,800
County and asked him what he would want

2456
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,080
to see too because he's going to be

2457
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,080
looking for purchasing and his first

2458
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,199
thing he said pickle ball courts. So

2459
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:06,960
>> So your parking layout looks like it's

2460
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,920
heavy on the north end near the pickle

2461
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,159
balls and not so heavy on the south end.

2462
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:13,760
Is there a reason for that? It's just

2463
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,280
the way that the the engineer when

2464
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:20,080
they're laying this out with the with configuration. Um, and part of it

2465
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,000
too is there's some detention down as

2466
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,239
you go down. Um, so there's not enough

2467
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:27,280
width to put units. And so that's where

2468
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,080
it makes sense to then dive in and put

2469
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,560
parking stalls. So I think it's from my

2470
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,639
looking at it looks like it's parked,

2471
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:35,920
you know, we're putting a parking stall

2472
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,550
everywhere we possibly can.

2473
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,040
» Yeah, that line that dips down is a

2474
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,840
ulation drop. Oh yeah, you can see that.

2475
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,440
>> How about How about a And I don't know

2476
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:52,080
what the numbers are. Probably unit 144

2477
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:56,320
to 118, which is May I see the mouse?

2478
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,080
Thanks.

2479
01:34:58,080 --> 01:34:59,520
>> And my eyes aren't that good.

2480
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,880
>> Yeah. Sorry. Am I up or down? There we

2481
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:03,679
are.

2482
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:06,239
>> So, you know, do you have the ability to

2483
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:09,040
bring some more parking here and here?

2484
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,280
Is that is that kind of the area, Stacy,

2485
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,120
where you're thinking it's light?

2486
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,199
>> Yeah, wherever we could get them on that

2487
01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:17,440
south side would be helpful. I think

2488
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:19,040
>> it looks like the previous version

2489
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:19,600
>> did have it.

2490
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,520
>> Sorry. Did have that.

2491
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:22,639
>> Yeah, we could we could ask the

2492
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:25,520
engineer. Again, if we if we can, you

2493
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,639
know, there's we're not anti. Um we're

2494
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:30,400
just,

2495
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:31,760
>> you know, I'm not sure exactly. There's

2496
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:32,880
probably some reason why he didn't put

2497
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,000
it there, but we can ask him that

2498
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,520
question. There's also some parking in

2499
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,520
that little triangle piece on the

2500
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,440
original, too.

2501
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:40,800
>> And looks like there's a little bit on

2502
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,840
the new one, too.

2503
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,280
>> If we're looking at the same place,

2504
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:46,239
>> looks like there's

2505
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:49,440
>> Yeah, six units not in the in the new

2506
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:51,360
version for the pickle ball court. Did

2507
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:55,120
you remove units? Um the we actually so

2508
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,840
for you might be kind of noticed that

2509
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,159
we're trying to not go heavy on like

2510
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:02,800
eight plexes and so we did for our front

2511
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,920
loads this new version does have pure

2512
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,440
front loads to it because we are not

2513
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:08,639
going to build anything more than a six

2514
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:09,440
plex.

2515
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:09,760
>> Okay.

2516
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,080
>> So um so yeah the unit count's still the

2517
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,719
same but we we're holding ourselves to

2518
01:36:14,719 --> 01:36:16,320
not going above that

2519
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:17,600
>> redistributed.

2520
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,280
>> Yeah.

2521
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,880
So, Visionary will be building the front load units and and Oakwood,

2522
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,239
our partner on the deal, will be

2523
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:32,709
building the the rear load units.

2524
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:35,040
» I do like the elevation from Main Street

2525
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,840
way better than the last one. So,

2526
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,440
>> that was a no last time primarily

2527
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:41,360
because of that. But, you all approved

2528
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:42,639
the parking last time. So, hopefully

2529
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:43,760
you're okay with the parking this time.

2530
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:45,600
>> Yeah, the parking is different though.

2531
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:46,960
>> This parking is different.

2532
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,920
>> It's a number perspective. From a number

2533
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,159
perspective, no distribution center,

2534
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:52,719
it's not.

2535
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:54,239
>> I think it's the numbers are like I

2536
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:55,920
think there still what Mark was saying.

2537
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,920
I think we're we're exceeding what the

2538
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,679
code is saying.

2539
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:01,520
>> No. Yeah. Their parking stall number

2540
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,360
hasn't changed.

2541
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,280
>> If we can, you know, if we can, we would

2542
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:06,239
like there's a couple of those areas

2543
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:07,440
like you mentioned. If we can, we'll add

2544
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:08,320
some in there for sure.

2545
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:09,760
>> I would love to see that. If that can go

2546
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,000
on record, I would be fine to approve

2547
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,000
this tonight for me, but I would love to

2548
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,840
see if we can shift some of the parking.

2549
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,000
>> Yeah, we can we can look at it.

2550
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,679
I I don't have to try to come back to do

2551
01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:22,080
that, but we can definitely have to look at that and see what we can do it

2552
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:22,960
because if it's just on the

2553
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:24,560
>> if there's something we can do, we can.

2554
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:25,679
>> Yeah. And if you want to give him some

2555
01:37:25,679 --> 01:37:26,800
direction, you'd like to see an

2556
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:28,159
additional 10 parking lots. I'm making

2557
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:30,159
up a number here, but if you want if you

2558
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:31,679
want to say, you know, with the approval

2559
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:33,280
with some condition that he

2560
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:34,719
>> I think it would be helpful for him if

2561
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:35,840
you gave him some.

2562
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:37,440
>> Okay. But I don't even know like you

2563
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,119
said, you have the number of parking

2564
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:41,040
needed. So, I don't know that it's the

2565
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,199
just shifting it. Yeah, I'd have to

2566
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:45,040
check just with utilities and stuff like

2567
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:46,639
that to see if those areas that they

2568
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:48,239
were before if they're right if there's

2569
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:49,920
a reason why they don't have it now

2570
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,960
>> if there's a possibility. Yeah.

2571
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,119
>> Is that a road on the bottom right of

2572
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:57,040
the image on the south would be the

2573
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:58,080
southwest buildings?

2574
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,440
>> It's um access um down into the the

2575
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:04,000
parcel to the east.

2576
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,679
>> Okay. So, you don't own the you don't

2577
01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:07,760
own the so you've got to give access to

2578
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:07,920
that.

2579
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:08,560
>> That's correct.

2580
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:08,960
>> Okay.

2581
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:09,679
>> Yeah.

2582
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:11,199
>> Are you talking by Main Street or by the

2583
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:13,040
river? the main street sign.

2584
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,360
>> Yeah, he's talking by the he's talking

2585
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,440
down in the southwest bottom right.

2586
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:18,560
>> Yeah, bottom right

2587
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,280
>> to the access to the south property.

2588
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,760
This does maintain access to the McCuel

2589
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,600
property I believe on the north well the

2590
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,719
very north on paper the eastern part of

2591
01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:32,320
in actual orientation you can see that

2592
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,040
hammerhead um maintains access to the

2593
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,639
Mel property on the east there

2594
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:43,280
gated if I read that right gated access.

2595
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,960
>> Thank you John. Any other questions for

2596
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,080
you John?

2597
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,159
>> Yeah we look forward to being in here so

2598
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:51,360
>> yeah thank you. Thank you.

2599
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:54,719
>> Any other questions up here for staff uh

2600
01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:57,119
that you'd like to to ask before making

2601
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:02,550
a motion?

2602
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:04,960
» If not, I'd entertain a motion uh for

2603
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,520
item C, Creekide Town Homes amended

2604
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,920
development agreement. I'll go ahead and

2605
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:11,600
move to approve the ordinance to approve

2606
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,920
the master plan, the master development

2607
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,440
agreement for the Creekide Village

2608
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:19,199
master plan community and look into

2609
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:22,960
transferring some of the parking.

2610
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,440
>> Motion made it.

2611
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:27,920
>> Motion made by Councilwoman Beck.

2612
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:28,480
>> Second.

2613
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:30,639
by Councilman Oiler. A roll call

2614
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:32,320
vote here. Councilman Oiler.

2615
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:32,639
>> Yes.

2616
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:33,840
>> Councilwoman Beck. Yes.

2617
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,280
>> Councilman Marshall? Nope.

2618
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:36,880
>> Councilman Tuk? Yes.

2619
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:37,840
>> Councilman Carden?

2620
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:38,880
>> No.

2621
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,679
Item C passes 3 to two.

2622
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:43,679
>> And I for the record, my no is just

2623
01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:45,520
because of the clubhouse. I know that it

2624
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:46,880
was answered, the questions answered,

2625
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,400
but I really do want that in that

2626
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,239
facility.

2627
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:52,239
>> You want to explain?

2628
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:58,470
>> Same reason last time. Too dense. Um,

2629
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:01,520
I want I don't want people coming from

2630
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,880
Salem to go, "Oh, we're in the the urban

2631
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,360
gut of Spanish Fork now because we have

2632
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,440
row houses on either side of Main

2633
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:11,199
Street." Same same problem I had last

2634
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:15,040
time. Perfect. Okay. takes us to item D

2635
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,000
of the uh agenda or of the new business

2636
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:21,280
agenda, the fiscal year 2027 tentative

2637
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,239
budget. Uh

2638
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:27,920
tag team, Mr. Hails and Mr. Parents, you

2639
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:31,750
going to go up front?

2640
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:37,830
» Yes.

2641
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,119
» He was not going to come up.

2642
01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:40,400
>> He wasn't. He was going to be doing the

2643
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:40,719
present.

2644
01:40:40,719 --> 01:40:43,600
>> I was taking a drink.

2645
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,119
Mayor and Council, thank you. It's an

2646
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,199
opport uh pleasure to present the

2647
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:50,400
tenative budget for 2027.

2648
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,600
Um my first budget that I presented

2649
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:58,800
worked on here was the fiscal year 2006

2650
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,440
budget. The 2005 budget was already on

2651
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:03,440
its way when I got here, but the first

2652
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:07,760
one I worked on was fiscal year 2007.

2653
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,239
So, this is pretty fun. It's a 20 year

2654
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:16,000
mark. I've seen a 07, a 17, and a 27.

2655
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,320
This budget's been a great uh great team

2656
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,960
effort. Uh it's been worked on in large

2657
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:22,960
part by the directors and division

2658
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,280
managers for the better part of several

2659
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,880
months. Uh they started working on this

2660
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,960
about uh November or December in concept

2661
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:34,639
and we open up the budget to them in

2662
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:37,280
January. You'll recall a number of

2663
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:38,880
budget conversations that we've had in

2664
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,199
at Midway and then we've had some budget

2665
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:43,119
discussions about different topics that

2666
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:44,960
have helped to inform questions and

2667
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,600
answer questions that we have. This

2668
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,760
process uh is not done today, but it

2669
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,560
legislatively starts today. So, we

2670
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,159
present to you a a balanced budget and

2671
01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:00,320
uh we'll ask for you to approve it, but

2672
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,679
then really it's a handoff to you and

2673
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:06,480
you have the next roughly 45 days that

2674
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:09,040
you get to review it. It's your budget

2675
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,760
and then you can um adjust it if you

2676
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,000
want to change anything that you want.

2677
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,880
Um and then by the second meeting in

2678
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,760
June, approve a balanced budget that

2679
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:21,360
will include uh Jordan, you're going to

2680
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,360
talk about all these logistics, right?

2681
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,040
All right, I won't go into that. I want

2682
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,679
to express my gratitude uh to the many

2683
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:29,920
staff members that have participated in

2684
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:31,440
making the budget. It's not an easy

2685
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:33,600
thing to put together a budget that

2686
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,600
covers over $200 million worth of

2687
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,480
things. And uh it takes a lot of

2688
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:40,159
looking, reviewing, checking, and

2689
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:43,440
double-checking. And um each of these

2690
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:45,520
directors are very aware of the

2691
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,199
different elements of their budget. They

2692
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:49,119
can answer any question that you have.

2693
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:50,719
If you ask a question that they cannot

2694
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:54,400
answer, then uh they can find it and we

2695
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,639
can report back on them. So, as we go

2696
01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,560
through that today, please ask any

2697
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,800
questions that you have and know that

2698
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,360
over the next couple of weeks, uh you'll

2699
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,080
get an email from Shellyley

2700
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,800
tomorrow morning, we'll invite you to

2701
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,119
select a time, find a time that can work

2702
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:12,960
for you in the next three weeks or so

2703
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,800
that you can sit down with me. You can

2704
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,880
do it one on one or you can do it in

2705
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,360
groups of two. And I want to make myself

2706
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,679
as available as you want me to be. So in

2707
01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:24,400
three hours or four hours or one hour or

2708
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,960
no hour. Um you choose what kind of time

2709
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,639
you want and how deep you want to go.

2710
01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:30,159
But I'd love to spend any time that you

2711
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:32,239
want in reviewing the budget. So you'll

2712
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:33,679
look for that email tomorrow and and

2713
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:37,040
she'll have two or three blocks of time

2714
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,280
for the next couple of weeks that you

2715
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:42,400
can select. With that, I give you uh

2716
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:47,679
Jordan V. Hails uh V for victory 2% of

2717
01:43:47,679 --> 01:43:54,790
the budget.

2718
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,840
» All right. Um Seth covered some of this

2719
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:00,800
uh timeline. Uh in January, staff

2720
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,360
presented needs and priorities and

2721
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,840
requests to you all and got your

2722
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,080
feedback. Um over the last few months,

2723
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:09,280
uh Seth and I have sat down with

2724
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,320
division managers and directors. Um

2725
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,480
tonight that uh tentative budget is

2726
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:16,560
being presented um services as the

2727
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,000
beginning budget for council and public

2728
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,679
to review.

2729
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:22,880
We will have a public hearing on the

2730
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:24,800
budget uh the first council meeting in

2731
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:28,560
June. Um and hopefully an approval of a

2732
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,199
budget uh the third council meet or I

2733
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:32,560
guess the second second council meeting

2734
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:36,560
in June, third Tuesday in June. Uh the

2735
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:38,000
budget will be available tomorrow at

2736
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,639
smashwork.gov gov and we've we're going

2737
01:44:40,639 --> 01:44:42,719
to have some printed copies uh in here

2738
01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:44,719
in the library finance department and

2739
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:47,040
the city office as well. Um any

2740
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,440
questions on this timeline and the

2741
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:52,560
process? Okay.

2742
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:56,400
All right. Um expenses or budget by

2743
01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:00,400
fund? Um the city budget and most city

2744
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,960
budgets have multiple funds. Um, and you

2745
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,679
can think of those funds as uh their own

2746
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:08,639
individual businesses or self-balancing

2747
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:12,239
accounts. Um, so here's the totals um

2748
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:16,159
for the entire city budget. Um,

2749
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:19,520
and budget uh that we're working in

2750
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,679
right now is 250 million. The proposed

2751
01:45:21,679 --> 01:45:24,639
budget for next year 230 million. Um

2752
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:28,480
most of that decrease being due to uh

2753
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:30,239
capital projects being completed such as

2754
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:33,679
the sewer plant and the fit city center.

2755
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:37,840
Um yeah the capital inflates your budget

2756
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,560
during those capital periods or those

2757
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,400
periods where you have intensive

2758
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:45,040
capital. Um any questions on this table

2759
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,149
or

2760
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:50,400
uh noteworthy general fund items? No

2761
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:53,679
property tax increases being proposed.

2762
01:45:53,679 --> 01:45:56,159
um rec center known as the fit city

2763
01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:58,400
center opened in December. Fiscal year

2764
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,119
2027 will be the first full fiscal year

2765
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:03,760
of operations. So it'll be a while

2766
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,159
before we have good good data on how

2767
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:08,880
we're performing there. Uh sales tax

2768
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,679
revenue growth is around 4 to 6% right

2769
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:13,679
now and that's where we're budgeting for

2770
01:46:13,679 --> 01:46:17,040
next year which is okay but not great.

2771
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,400
Um couple years ago we were flat. Uh

2772
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,400
historically we've seen around 8%

2773
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:25,199
growth. Um we'd like to get up there

2774
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:28,159
again. Uh the golf course continues to

2775
01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:31,199
increase its profit margin. Um I still

2776
01:46:31,199 --> 01:46:32,639
get quite a few people asking me does

2777
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:34,960
golf course make money and yeah it's

2778
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:38,719
been very profitable um ever since co um

2779
01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:41,520
not only covering expenses but helping

2780
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:44,000
uh contribute to the general fund. Uh

2781
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,800
fiscal 2027. So, this budget we're

2782
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,080
talking about includes the final debt

2783
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:51,679
payment on the the Justice Center. Um,

2784
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:53,040
so that's exciting to have that come

2785
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,679
off. And we continue to set aside 20% of

2786
01:46:55,679 --> 01:46:58,000
sales tax for capital projects and just

2787
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,960
as a buffer if sales tax were to go

2788
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:02,960
down, then we could remove that transfer

2789
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,280
out to capital projects and still cover

2790
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,199
operations.

2791
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:08,639
Any comments or questions on these

2792
01:47:08,639 --> 01:47:10,560
items?

2793
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,159
All right.

2794
01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:13,920
general fund expenses by

2795
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,520
category. Um,

2796
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:16,639
>> can you back up one real quick?

2797
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:17,040
>> Yeah.

2798
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:19,280
>> Um, that 20% line at the very bottom.

2799
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:19,760
>> Yeah,

2800
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:22,159
>> I think it's pretty sound policy. That's

2801
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:24,800
the sort of the savings account, right?

2802
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:25,119
It's

2803
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:27,679
>> I think it serves a couple of purposes.

2804
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:28,239
>> Um,

2805
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:28,800
>> okay.

2806
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,320
>> One two

2807
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,360
>> one to uh s have reserves for capital

2808
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:35,920
projects. Um, and then one to create

2809
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:37,600
that buffer so that you're not living so

2810
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,080
close to the line uh with with

2811
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:41,679
operations.

2812
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:42,080
Yeah,

2813
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:45,840
>> I think yes. Spot on. So 80% of our

2814
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,800
money goes to ongoing operations.

2815
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,920
>> 20% is the the

2816
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:52,560
>> yeah for

2817
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,159
>> savings the change or you could dip into

2818
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:54,480
for

2819
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:56,159
>> whatever whatever it could be that that

2820
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:58,400
year an emergency whatever it might be.

2821
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:00,560
I think it's really important. I think

2822
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,880
>> so it's a balanced budget overall which

2823
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,280
I think is if everyone could do that

2824
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,600
we'd be all better off right. Um

2825
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:11,040
especially the marshalss. Um, but I

2826
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:12,239
think what the public needs to

2827
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:15,920
understand is we're budgeting up to 80%.

2828
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:17,280
>> That in theory

2829
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,560
>> in sales tax with the opportunity to to

2830
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,639
take some if it's if it's more, we can

2831
01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:24,400
go do some more capital improvements.

2832
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,320
It's if it's less, we still have the

2833
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:27,760
money to operate the city. I think

2834
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:29,920
that's that's a fact that I mean, every

2835
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:32,159
time you go through this is I learn

2836
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:33,760
something every single time. It's like,

2837
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,119
oh, okay. What is the one thing I

2838
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:36,800
learned today? That's a that's a very

2839
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,280
sound conservative fiscal policy that

2840
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,840
we're taking. So, I appreciate that.

2841
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:43,520
It's the last bullet on the thing, but

2842
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:45,520
still it's that's a good policy.

2843
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:49,040
>> Yeah. Um, if you look at the sales tax

2844
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:50,880
uh during the Great Recession that we

2845
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:52,880
went down about 80% from the peak. So,

2846
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,840
we had I think 2008 was down from 2007,

2847
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:57,760
then I think it was 2009 was even down

2848
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:00,080
from 2008. So, you had two consecutive

2849
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,400
years.

2850
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:06,800
>> Yeah. 20%. Yeah. So we were 80% of where

2851
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,480
we were. Yeah.

2852
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:10,320
>> Right.

2853
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,639
>> All right. Um

2854
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:15,199
>> yeah, general fund expenses by category.

2855
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:18,320
Um so you see we're increasing about 3.2

2856
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,960
million. Basically all of that being in

2857
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:24,719
personnel costs and this 3 million uh

2858
01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:27,440
increase in personnel is cost of raises

2859
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:30,400
and new positions added. And I'll I'll

2860
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:31,920
detail those new positions that have

2861
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:36,080
been added. Um but yeah 0.1% increase on

2862
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:42,390
this operations line. Um yeah

2863
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,239
uh general fund expenses by division. So

2864
01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:46,159
these are the same expenses but

2865
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:48,400
categorized by division instead of uh by

2866
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,239
category. I think the main thing to

2867
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:52,320
point out here is communications crew

2868
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:55,040
has moved from SFCN to admin and those

2869
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:56,560
that follow social media have probably

2870
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,520
seen a a push with and some differences

2871
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,199
with uh our outreach via social media.

2872
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:06,000
Um so yeah, this growth is almost

2873
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,880
entirely from personnel. Um so most of

2874
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:10,880
this growth in all these divisions is

2875
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:14,790
going to be personnel related.

2876
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,320
So just when I say we are very

2877
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:17,760
conservative,

2878
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,080
>> we grew government by

2879
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:21,280
>> we moved government

2880
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:24,320
>> with 3.25 $3.5 million.

2881
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:24,960
>> Correct.

2882
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,280
>> But for very specific and are you going

2883
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:29,040
to walk through the positions that are

2884
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:29,440
added?

2885
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:30,000
>> Yes. Okay.

2886
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,440
>> Yeah, perfect.

2887
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:35,760
>> Uh this is the the slide on revenues. Um

2888
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:37,760
so yeah, $3.2 million increase in

2889
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,159
expenses, but a $3.5 million increase to

2890
01:50:40,159 --> 01:50:42,000
revenues as well.

2891
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,840
Um,

2892
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:46,159
uh, golf, you see a $600,000 increase

2893
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:50,000
there. Budget in golf revenues. Um, I

2894
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,239
saw March's numbers. Man, March was

2895
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,000
great for the golf course. Holy smokes.

2896
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:56,080
I guess it helps when it's

2897
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,320
>> dry and warm.

2898
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,000
>> Uh, interest earnings are coming down.

2899
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,239
This is a function of how much cash is

2900
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:04,080
in the bank, but also what is the

2901
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:05,440
interest rate we're getting on that and

2902
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:06,719
rates have come down over the last

2903
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:08,639
couple years from the peak a couple

2904
01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:10,800
years ago.

2905
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,960
Yeah.

2906
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:14,960
All right. General fund transfers and

2907
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:18,480
change in fund balance. Um so that 30 or

2908
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:23,840
20% sales tax is that number there. Um

2909
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,920
yeah

2910
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,239
um

2911
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:29,760
$187,000

2912
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,560
increase in fund balance. Um that's a

2913
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,719
very small number compared to the 54

2914
01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:37,360
million of but it is positive and there

2915
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,679
is a healthy reserve um in the general

2916
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:42,159
fund.

2917
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:45,280
All right. And here are those reserves.

2918
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,199
So state law requires that our

2919
01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:51,360
unrestricted general fund reserves be uh

2920
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:54,880
between 5% and 35% of revenue in the

2921
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:58,480
general fund. Um so the blue line

2922
01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:00,960
uh here is the revenue for each of these

2923
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:02,719
fiscal years and we're trying to project

2924
01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:05,199
not only our current fiscal year end but

2925
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:08,800
next fiscal year and same with the the

2926
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,360
reserves. Um so right now we have about

2927
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:14,480
$13 million um in the general fund and

2928
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:16,239
we're projected to remain right around

2929
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:18,960
there. Um which puts us at around 22 and

2930
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:22,639
a.5% um uh as a percentage of total

2931
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,320
revenue.

2932
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:28,550
So very healthy spot.

2933
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,719
All right. Capital projects. Will we

2934
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:33,119
barn rebuild at the fairgrounds? Um this

2935
01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:36,480
is a a project that was discussed in the

2936
01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:38,400
past couple months. Um but the new

2937
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,719
facility will attract additional events.

2938
01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:44,400
Um the current facility uh can't host

2939
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,239
certain events. So this new facility

2940
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:48,560
will be able to uh construction will

2941
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,639
begin in August and completion is

2942
01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:53,199
planned for spring of 27. Cost of

2943
01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:54,960
construction is budgeted around 11

2944
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,599
million and the county is paying for

2945
01:52:57,599 --> 01:52:59,520
half of the cost of they as they have

2946
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:00,800
traditionally done with the the

2947
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:04,070
fairgrounds.

2948
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:06,800
Uh capital projects river trail bridge

2949
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:08,400
connection. That's a mouthful. So the

2950
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:09,840
city received a grant from the state for

2951
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:13,040
$13 million. This will build a vehicle

2952
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:17,119
bridge and a trail bridge uh and connect

2953
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:18,719
the Smash Fork trail system with the

2954
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:21,199
Mapleton trail system. ties the city

2955
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:22,960
trail into the regional Bonavville

2956
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,520
shoreline trail system. The trail will

2957
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:28,320
cross under under Highway 6. So be a

2958
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:30,480
very safe way to cross and this will be

2959
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:36,000
a multi-year project. Um yeah.

2960
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:37,760
All right. Here are those positions that

2961
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:39,760
we're adding to the general fund and uh

2962
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,000
the enterprise funds. Uh so three

2963
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,719
captains to for fire and EMS. Right now

2964
01:53:44,719 --> 01:53:47,760
there's a captain uh for each fire and

2965
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,199
EMS shift. Um, and I think they're

2966
01:53:51,199 --> 01:53:54,239
located at station 61. Um, so this will

2967
01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:58,320
put a captain also at station 62. Um, so

2968
01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:59,599
we have better leadership and better

2969
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:02,320
coverage. Uh, police are adding two

2970
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,080
patrol officers and adding one

2971
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,400
detective. Uh, library converting one

2972
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,239
part-time position to a full-time

2973
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:10,719
position. Engineering adding a project

2974
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:12,880
manager to begin in January. And then

2975
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,639
parks. We've added a lot of parks over

2976
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:16,800
the last 10 five or 10 years. And

2977
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:18,159
there's it's time for another lead

2978
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:21,760
worker in parks. Uh and power um has

2979
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,239
requested a new lineman and inspector

2980
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:26,239
and those this budget funds those

2981
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:28,080
positions as well. Any questions on

2982
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:33,270
these

2983
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,280
is that the $ three.5 million is that

2984
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:36,960
>> that's the three and a half. Yep. Close

2985
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:39,119
to it. I mean there's raises in there as

2986
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:40,000
well,

2987
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,360
>> but that's a big chunk of it is three

2988
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,679
and a half million. So I think I think

2989
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:45,840
what's important to point out is yes we

2990
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,199
did grow government. We're asking to

2991
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:49,119
grow government. We're proposing to grow

2992
01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:50,800
government but it's because of the

2993
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,599
growth of the city that experiencing a

2994
01:54:53,599 --> 01:54:55,440
proportional growth. Right. Yeah.

2995
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,320
>> You don't add firemen as po police if

2996
01:54:58,320 --> 01:54:59,760
your city isn't growing. Our city's

2997
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,840
growing. You just service the all the

2998
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,159
our our residents appropriately. And

2999
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:06,320
that's how you do it is by adding fire

3000
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:09,679
and EMS and police. So I think it's I

3001
01:55:09,679 --> 01:55:11,440
think these are really good asks. I

3002
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,800
think it's it's very appropriate to be

3003
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:17,840
very deliberate about when we add

3004
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:21,280
positions to our to our city. Um, in

3005
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,119
every in every case you could break that

3006
01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:25,679
down and say this is because we grew

3007
01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:27,599
here, we needed more to do this,

3008
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:29,360
whatever it might be. And I think that's

3009
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:31,360
exactly when you should add resources is

3010
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,119
when the growth of your city is

3011
01:55:33,119 --> 01:55:35,520
proportionate to that. So, great job.

3012
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,239
And I know you spent a ton of time

3013
01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,239
really getting to the heart of these

3014
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:42,719
requests. Um, and I appreciate that time

3015
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:44,080
and effort to get to this point because

3016
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,800
this is it's a pretty small list, you

3017
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:48,800
know, in retrospect, but it's it's not

3018
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:51,280
easy to get to. So, I appreciate it.

3019
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:53,520
>> I think it might be interesting at some

3020
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:57,599
point to see a a graph of of FTEES

3021
01:55:57,599 --> 01:56:00,159
versus population. And I'll bet that

3022
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:02,080
they're I bet the slope is pretty dang

3023
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:03,440
similar.

3024
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:03,840
>> Yeah,

3025
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,360
>> there'll be peaks, right? because it's

3026
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:07,360
not always consistent, but I but it's

3027
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:09,119
overall

3028
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:10,239
>> pretty dang

3029
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:11,440
>> it correlates pretty well.

3030
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:12,960
>> I mean, a lot of it depends on what

3031
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:14,960
services you provide as well.

3032
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:15,360
>> For sure.

3033
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:16,560
>> It would be difficult, I think, to

3034
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:17,920
compare to other cities because we

3035
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,159
provide a different subset of or

3036
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:23,599
different set of of services. But, um, I

3037
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:26,000
think if we get if we get questions

3038
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:27,280
about growing government, I think it'd

3039
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,320
be a good a good exercise to go through

3040
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,159
to say this is how and this is why

3041
01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:35,840
proportionately we've grown.

3042
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:36,639
Thanks, Jordan.

3043
01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:37,599
>> Yep.

3044
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:39,040
>> I want to also say that I really

3045
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:40,960
appreciate the budget in a snapshot.

3046
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:44,000
There's what 142 pages,

3047
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:44,880
>> right?

3048
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,199
>> And some of you may know I don't look at

3049
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:49,119
screens all day about budget. So, it

3050
01:56:49,119 --> 01:56:52,080
just this is so helpful. And I know

3051
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:53,840
years ago after attending the league, I

3052
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:55,440
think it was with Councilman Carter and

3053
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,119
I, and we said, just make it more

3054
01:56:57,119 --> 01:56:59,440
visually appealing, easier to digest.

3055
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,199
And this is awesome.

3056
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:02,560
>> Like looking through it, I'm like, "Oh,

3057
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:05,119
that makes sense." Like I really enjoy

3058
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:06,400
looking at the budget this year.

3059
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,000
>> Seth and I would like to take credit for

3060
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:09,679
that, but that credit goes to Carson and

3061
01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:11,440
in our administration. You did some

3062
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:13,679
great work simplifying the budget,

3063
01:57:13,679 --> 01:57:14,880
making it digestible.

3064
01:57:14,880 --> 01:57:16,480
>> Yes, I think residents will appreciate

3065
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:17,840
it. You can look at it. You don't need

3066
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,719
to look at 142 pages, maybe 20.

3067
01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:22,159
>> Yeah, I'd say I think it's just the

3068
01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:24,719
first 10 or so pages. Um, you can get a

3069
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:25,280
lot from.

3070
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:27,840
>> Clearly, you hired somebody.

3071
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,560
>> It's changed. It's really, really good.

3072
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,560
Carson's been that's two shout outs to

3073
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:33,360
Carson tonight.

3074
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:35,199
>> I'd second that. I mean, it's it does

3075
01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:37,280
look good. It's much easier to digest.

3076
01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:40,239
So, great job.

3077
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:41,920
>> All right, let's dig into enterprise

3078
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:44,000
funds. So, enterprise funds function

3079
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:47,040
like businesses where they rates pay for

3080
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,679
the the expenses.

3081
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:52,480
>> Um so, most of these are utilities. You

3082
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:54,880
also have the airport and gun club um

3083
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,840
that function as enterprise funds. Um

3084
01:57:57,840 --> 01:57:59,920
again the budget going down and again

3085
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:02,960
this is the result of uh capital needs

3086
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:04,880
not being as great and finishing the

3087
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:07,840
particularly the the sewer plant uh

3088
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:11,510
construction.

3089
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:13,199
Uh and we have some utility rate

3090
01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:15,440
increases proposed here. Um, so what

3091
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:20,159
we've done is taken the average bill and

3092
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:22,159
we've determined what does the rate need

3093
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:26,639
to be um to make sure that we have solid

3094
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:30,239
cash in each of these funds. So water 59

3095
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:34,639
increase, PI 69, power $247,

3096
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:37,199
and transportation utility fee which is

3097
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:39,599
a new fee we're proposing uh Corey

3098
01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:41,840
talked about last council meeting. Uh

3099
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,639
that'd be $2.50 50 cents on the uh per

3100
01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:48,320
household. So, all in $6.25

3101
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,280
on the average household, uh which is a

3102
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:56,159
3% increase to the utility bill. Um any

3103
01:58:56,159 --> 01:59:01,750
questions on these rate increases.

3104
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,920
Okay.

3105
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:05,360
All right. Uh speaking of the

3106
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,280
transportation utility fee, so this was

3107
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:10,560
a topic of discussion in the legislature

3108
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:14,400
this year and a bill that passed uh made

3109
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:18,000
it so that uh if we do institute a

3110
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:19,679
transportation utility fee, it has to be

3111
01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:23,119
in its own fund. Uh we estimate that the

3112
01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:26,159
fee would generate $600,000 in revenue

3113
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:29,599
uh in this upcoming fiscal year. Um,

3114
01:59:29,599 --> 01:59:31,360
right now we're spending about $1.9

3115
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:32,960
million on road repair and maintenance

3116
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,040
out of the streets and storm drain fund.

3117
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:38,320
So, we could uh take $600,000 of that

3118
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:41,520
and uh lower that in the streets fund

3119
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:45,280
and have it paid for out of this fund.

3120
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,040
So, that's a new fund that people will

3121
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:49,440
see.

3122
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:51,840
Uh proposed SFCN residential internet

3123
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,719
rates. Um we have on the lefth hand side

3124
01:59:54,719 --> 01:59:57,119
there uh our current rates. Um the big

3125
01:59:57,119 --> 01:59:59,920
change is that what we've found um is

3126
01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:02,320
that there's a benefit um to our

3127
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:05,199
customers that have our athome Wi-Fi

3128
02:00:05,199 --> 02:00:08,400
service. Um this is a service where you

3129
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:12,000
rent a router um from the city and the

3130
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,400
city can actually see if how your

3131
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:17,199
internet's performing um from their

3132
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:19,520
office and they can troubleshoot many of

3133
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:21,440
the problems that you're going to that

3134
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:23,199
you're encountering. Um

3135
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:24,960
>> just to be clear, they can't see what

3136
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,199
we're You are correct there.

3137
02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:29,840
>> Or we're surfing. We collectively

3138
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:31,840
>> they will see the performance of the the

3139
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:33,280
speeds and

3140
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:34,560
>> asking for a friend.

3141
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:36,880
>> Yeah, I think that's a I think it's

3142
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:40,080
always good to clarify those things. Um

3143
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,239
yeah, so we're proposing some new rates.

3144
02:00:42,239 --> 02:00:45,280
One is a senior rate uh for those 65 and

3145
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:50,159
older. Uh $35 for 300 megs.

3146
02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:54,080
>> A new rate for $50 for 500 mags. um a

3147
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,560
two gig rate at $90.

3148
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:58,880
Um yeah, and all of these rates except

3149
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:01,440
for the $45 300meg would include one

3150
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:04,480
free router with the internet service.

3151
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:08,560
Each additional router would uh be $5 a

3152
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:10,400
month.

3153
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:14,639
Yeah. Any questions or comments on these

3154
02:01:14,639 --> 02:01:17,280
internet rates?

3155
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:20,400
Okay. And these are proposed. um we need

3156
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:22,880
to wait on uh council approval in June

3157
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:25,440
before uh those excited residents can

3158
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:29,360
call and get on these rates.

3159
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:31,679
Uh other noteworthy fee schedule changes

3160
02:01:31,679 --> 02:01:33,599
uh contracted private security use of

3161
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:36,080
police officers. So our local

3162
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:38,560
universities frequently ask for officers

3163
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:41,599
to come help them with large events. Um

3164
02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:43,599
I think sporting events, stadium fire,

3165
02:01:43,599 --> 02:01:47,280
those type of things. Um we build those

3166
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:50,159
uh users $100 an hour currently and

3167
02:01:50,159 --> 02:01:52,639
we're proposing that goes$120.

3168
02:01:52,639 --> 02:01:56,000
Um yeah

3169
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,719
uh generally a lot of times those people

3170
02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:00,639
those officers that are going are being

3171
02:02:00,639 --> 02:02:03,599
paid overtime rate by us to go there. Um

3172
02:02:03,599 --> 02:02:07,119
which is why that rate is uh so high.

3173
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:09,280
Uh increases to non-resident library

3174
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,280
cards are proposed. Wreck program

3175
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:14,320
inflationary increases. Airport building

3176
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:17,440
ground lease moving from 45 cents to 67

3177
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:19,520
cents per square foot. This is a pretty

3178
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:22,480
good jump. Um we're really trying to

3179
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:25,360
make it so that airport users are paying

3180
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:27,920
for the airport. Um and that property

3181
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:31,040
tax and sales tax can go to other uh

3182
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:33,679
sources other needs. and also proposing

3183
02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:37,199
a wings and wheels $10 parking fee. Um,

3184
02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:40,159
all of these are proposed um and would

3185
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:42,719
be predicated upon your approval in

3186
02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:48,639
June. Um, any questions here?

3187
02:02:48,639 --> 02:02:50,400
>> I have a question on the Wings and Wells

3188
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:51,119
parking fee.

3189
02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:51,679
>> Yeah.

3190
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:53,360
>> How will they monitor that? That the

3191
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:55,040
parking's all over the place.

3192
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:55,760
>> Um,

3193
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:58,880
>> be just the the parking that's at on the

3194
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:01,679
property of the city at the airport. And

3195
02:03:01,679 --> 02:03:03,440
it look to Corey.

3196
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:05,199
>> Yes. In the organized parking lots,

3197
02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:08,800
there's also local property owners that

3198
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:12,000
have allowed us to um have people park

3199
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:15,520
there so we could have attendance um

3200
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,920
help manage that parking. This came

3201
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,159
about a little bit from recommendations

3202
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:23,280
I think from the wrap tax committee as

3203
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:25,119
they talked about wings and wheels and

3204
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:28,880
some potential funding there. a request

3205
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:31,679
of looking at that parking fee. Um, as

3206
02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:33,440
Seth and I have discussed, we're gonna

3207
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:36,960
we need to do a little work on a map

3208
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:40,639
showing where those fee areas are and

3209
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:43,040
um directing people there to allow it.

3210
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:43,920
So,

3211
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:45,280
>> you mentioned that there's business

3212
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:46,560
owners around that have opened their

3213
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:48,080
parking lots. So, are you thinking that

3214
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:50,000
those businesses could possibly be one

3215
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:51,760
of the fee areas?

3216
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:54,000
>> It it could be. The impression I get is

3217
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:55,520
some of those business owners are still

3218
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:58,880
okay donating it, but why don't you

3219
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:01,760
charge for parking that can help offset

3220
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:05,119
the costs of the event. Um, so I I don't

3221
02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:07,760
know that it's look to be a revenue

3222
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:09,840
generator for those properties at all.

3223
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:10,239
>> Right.

3224
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:11,920
>> They they certainly could do that with

3225
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:14,000
their own private property, but I I

3226
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:16,560
think the request was, hey, I'm okay

3227
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:18,560
with using the parking for this, but why

3228
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:20,239
don't we create some more organization

3229
02:04:20,239 --> 02:04:22,560
to it, okay? and why don't you charge

3230
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:26,800
and that can help with uh funding the

3231
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:27,840
event.

3232
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,320
>> In the RAP committee meeting that we had

3233
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:35,199
when they were discussing this, they had mentioned that the Wings and

3234
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:36,960
Wheels is looking at hiring an outside

3235
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,440
crew to come in and manage parking for

3236
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:41,199
that event because it's a little

3237
02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:43,360
difficult with some of the volunteers

3238
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:45,360
that we've had and and other things. And

3239
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:48,080
so as part of that discussion, they

3240
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:51,520
brought up the idea of, well, if you

3241
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:54,480
need to hire a crew to come and do that,

3242
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:56,320
why don't you look for ways to offset

3243
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:58,239
that cost, which

3244
02:04:58,239 --> 02:05:01,040
>> brought up the idea of a parking fee? I

3245
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:02,960
think we initially, one of the ideas we

3246
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:06,880
talked about was just the parking within

3247
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:08,639
the airport grounds, the city- owned

3248
02:05:08,639 --> 02:05:11,599
property, because it's kind of a

3249
02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:13,360
gets you a lot closer to the event,

3250
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:16,000
right? So people more likely to pay for

3251
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:17,920
that than maybe some other places. But

3252
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,560
if they've got a way to be able to use

3253
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:22,800
other properties by other business

3254
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,840
owners to do this as well, then then

3255
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:27,040
yeah, we'll see what they can figure

3256
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:27,280
out.

3257
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:30,639
>> I think it makes sense $10 closer. But I

3258
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:32,560
think if there's still a possibility

3259
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:35,760
where families that are aren't able to

3260
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:37,760
pay the additional $10 on top of the

3261
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:39,440
tickets, maybe there's some free parking

3262
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:41,679
at different areas. So

3263
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:43,280
>> Seth just said that, you know, we will

3264
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:46,639
have a more detailed uh plan as we get

3265
02:05:46,639 --> 02:05:48,000
closer. The wings and wheels will happen

3266
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,719
in September. So we have a few months to

3267
02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:52,320
definitely

3268
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:55,679
>> iron some of those details out.

3269
02:05:55,679 --> 02:06:01,030
Um any other questions on these fees?

3270
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:04,239
Um there airport recent successes? Um

3271
02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:05,920
there's been some grants awarded and

3272
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:08,400
some grants that we're uh still seeking,

3273
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:10,239
but we received a million dollars from

3274
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:11,760
the federal government with assistance

3275
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:15,520
from uh Representative Owens and uh $3

3276
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:18,400
million from the state. Um and the

3277
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:20,239
grants we're seeking 1.8 million from

3278
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:21,760
Utah County and 5 million from the

3279
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:24,560
federal government and uh John Curtis's

3280
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:27,119
office is assisting with that. Um and

3281
02:06:27,119 --> 02:06:28,960
all of this would fund uh the

3282
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:31,199
construction of Taxi Way Bravo. Um, so

3283
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:33,360
there's a lot happening um at the

3284
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:36,800
airport and their expensive uh needs

3285
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:39,840
there. So these grants go a long ways to

3286
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:44,629
helping what we need there.

3287
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:47,280
All right. Um, and this will be another

3288
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:48,800
item

3289
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,320
later on in the agenda,

3290
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:55,520
but any comments, questions on these? I

3291
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:59,840
guess just a question for you Jordan is

3292
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:01,920
as you mentioned our sales tax revenues

3293
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:04,639
are kind of they're okay four to 6%

3294
02:07:04,639 --> 02:07:09,440
typically around 8% they've been flat in

3295
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:12,159
prior years. Uh we discussed a little

3296
02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:14,400
bit about needs for new hires uh which

3297
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:18,320
are ongoing expenses. So what are your

3298
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:21,440
thoughts or what are the projections for

3299
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:24,960
projected or future revenues

3300
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:27,040
over the next four or five years as

3301
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:30,239
compared to projected future expenses,

3302
02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:32,639
ongoing expenses with salary increases

3303
02:07:32,639 --> 02:07:33,599
and things like that?

3304
02:07:33,599 --> 02:07:38,079
>> I think that's so hard. Um I you know I

3305
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:40,639
think in a lot of ways you've got to

3306
02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:43,760
take it year by year and make sure that

3307
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:45,679
for each year you're looking at

3308
02:07:45,679 --> 02:07:48,320
operations are paying for operations but

3309
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,719
to try and prognosticate what's going to

3310
02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:53,360
happen in four years out. So

3311
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:55,520
>> suppose the sales tax revenues that

3312
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:58,800
we've got are the same next year with

3313
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:00,400
the salaries that we've got now.

3314
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:01,920
Obviously if we can do it this year we

3315
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:03,840
could do it next year. Right. Right. If

3316
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:06,400
sales tax were to go back to zero again

3317
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:08,000
and we've now brought on additional

3318
02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:08,719
hires,

3319
02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:09,040
>> right?

3320
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:10,719
>> I guess at that point you just have to

3321
02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:12,719
analyze the positions.

3322
02:08:12,719 --> 02:08:13,119
>> Yeah.

3323
02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:15,440
>> Find areas maybe maybe not quite as

3324
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:18,000
large of a salary increase or pay raise

3325
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:18,719
this year.

3326
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:20,639
>> I mean,

3327
02:08:20,639 --> 02:08:22,159
we look at what the city did during the

3328
02:08:22,159 --> 02:08:25,679
great recession. Um there were high um

3329
02:08:25,679 --> 02:08:28,239
freezes on hiring and freezes on

3330
02:08:28,239 --> 02:08:30,719
payraises and those things. Um and you

3331
02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:33,360
also have that that sales tax buffer. um

3332
02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:34,880
that we could dip into as well. So,

3333
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:36,719
there's a few different levers,

3334
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:39,599
>> tools that we have that you can pull. Um

3335
02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:40,880
but yeah, the first thing you're

3336
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:42,400
probably looking at is what can we

3337
02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:44,639
afford to increase and then you start

3338
02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:47,679
looking at other things. Um

3339
02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:49,280
>> yeah, I don't know. Does that answer

3340
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:50,079
your question?

3341
02:08:50,079 --> 02:08:54,719
>> Yeah, it does. And so, because of the fact that sales tax is

3342
02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:56,719
increasing, it's not decreasing or

3343
02:08:56,719 --> 02:08:58,639
staying flat, it got it does give the

3344
02:08:58,639 --> 02:09:02,400
city the ability to to spend more money.

3345
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:02,960
Right.

3346
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:04,239
>> Um,

3347
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:05,679
>> basically want to be clear that the

3348
02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:07,199
money that we're spending for new hires

3349
02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:12,400
is not one-time expenses, right? It's money that we're planning for that

3350
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:13,920
>> hoping or expecting to get

3351
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:14,719
year-over-year.

3352
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:16,239
>> Yeah. I mean, I think if you look at the

3353
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:19,040
general fund in total, if you look at

3354
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:22,320
these expenses um by category, it shows

3355
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:25,520
you that the capital in the general fund

3356
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,119
um

3357
02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:30,480
is very minimal. Um, so we're not

3358
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:36,069
spending onetime money here. Um,

3359
02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:38,480
and all of the revenues are pretty much

3360
02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:40,960
ongoing revenues. Like if you look at

3361
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:44,880
this, uh, grants are very minimal here.

3362
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:46,560
Um, when you're talking about $57

3363
02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:48,719
million and only $200,000 of this is

3364
02:09:48,719 --> 02:09:52,400
grant. So 99% of the budget um is

3365
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:54,800
ongoing revenue.

3366
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:55,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, for the most part, the

3367
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:59,920
general fund is an operating fund only,

3368
02:09:59,920 --> 02:10:01,199
but we are taking a portion of the

3369
02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:03,040
operating revenue and setting it aside

3370
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:04,480
for capital.

3371
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:05,199
>> Perfect.

3372
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:06,320
>> Yeah,

3373
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,079
>> I think it's those are great questions,

3374
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:09,440
Kevin. I think it's important to talk

3375
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:12,480
about we are with this budget. We're

3376
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:14,960
provo proposing a level of service for

3377
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:18,159
the citizens in Spanish Fork. two three

3378
02:10:18,159 --> 02:10:20,639
more three more police officers, three

3379
02:10:20,639 --> 02:10:23,520
more fire chiefs, um someone else in

3380
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:24,639
engineering and a variety of other

3381
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:25,920
things. We're providing this level of

3382
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:27,599
service.

3383
02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:31,599
Next year, if sales tax is flat, we

3384
02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:33,040
still have it in our budget to provide

3385
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:35,840
that same level of service. Assuming

3386
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:38,320
inflation isn't continuing to go up

3387
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:40,480
under this administration,

3388
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:42,480
um I couldn't help it.

3389
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:43,840
>> I know I heard

3390
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:47,040
>> I couldn't help it. Um but

3391
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:48,880
so if it if it's flat next year, we're

3392
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:51,119
still okay. If it goes negative, we

3393
02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:53,920
still have that 20% buffer, right? So we

3394
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:55,280
can still provide the same level of

3395
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:56,880
service, but there becomes a point where

3396
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:59,280
if sales tax is not outpacing inflation

3397
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:01,440
and the growth of the city, we have to

3398
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:04,400
turn to another revenue source to

3399
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:05,760
maintain that level of service. And

3400
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:07,840
we'll be faced with continuing that

3401
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:09,760
level of service or reducing it

3402
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:11,360
>> or reducing it to pay the costs

3403
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:14,000
>> or raising a revenue a different way.

3404
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:15,840
And so I think it is important to have

3405
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:17,520
these conversations every single year.

3406
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:19,119
We know what we're do. We know what

3407
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:22,159
we're doing by adding 78 um additional

3408
02:11:22,159 --> 02:11:23,679
resources. We have the money to pay for

3409
02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:25,599
it. It is ongoing and that is extremely

3410
02:11:25,599 --> 02:11:28,320
important for everyone to understand.

3411
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:30,079
As far as we can look out in the future,

3412
02:11:30,079 --> 02:11:33,119
property or sales tax continues to to

3413
02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:35,679
bring in more revenue to offset this. We

3414
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:37,280
have some buffer. We have some caution

3415
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:39,360
in there. Um I think there was a big

3416
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:41,199
bullet that there is no property tax

3417
02:11:41,199 --> 02:11:43,280
increase proposed this year. So, I think

3418
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:45,440
we're head we're these things we should

3419
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:47,199
talk about every single time we talk

3420
02:11:47,199 --> 02:11:50,639
about the budget and um and make those

3421
02:11:50,639 --> 02:11:52,480
tradeoffs when we need to. In this

3422
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:54,079
particular year, we're in a good spot.

3423
02:11:54,079 --> 02:11:55,440
We don't have to have those hard

3424
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:57,280
conversations about what we won't

3425
02:11:57,280 --> 02:11:59,760
provide or what we need to raise. And

3426
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:01,280
so, I think we're in a good spot this

3427
02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:03,360
year. And I don't think there's a lot of

3428
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:05,119
cities out there that can say that we're

3429
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:06,320
they're pretty comfortable with

3430
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:08,159
providing the level of service that

3431
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:11,199
citizens of Spanish Fork expect

3432
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:13,520
for the price that they they pay. I

3433
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,440
mean, we just went through the survey

3434
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:18,639
results today. Um while not a lot of

3435
02:12:18,639 --> 02:12:22,159
folks like us, um they do love work

3436
02:12:22,159 --> 02:12:25,360
living in the city and you know we all

3437
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:27,360
live we love living in this city as

3438
02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:28,560
well. when you have that kind of

3439
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:32,159
approval rating for the city you um that

3440
02:12:32,159 --> 02:12:33,840
you live in, we're doing something

3441
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:35,920
right. And I think this is this is where

3442
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:38,320
the rubber meets the road in providing

3443
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:39,440
those services. So

3444
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:39,920
>> yeah,

3445
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:41,840
>> great questions, Kevin. Every single

3446
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:43,760
year we should be asking them.

3447
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:45,920
>> Yeah, and I think one slide that I

3448
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:47,440
looking back I should have included is

3449
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:49,280
our property tax rate compared to those

3450
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:51,280
of surrounding communities. our property

3451
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:54,400
tax rate is really low and you look at

3452
02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:57,199
what you get for that um including a new

3453
02:12:57,199 --> 02:12:59,840
rec center and you know a full-time fire

3454
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:04,480
and mist staff. Um yeah, I I feel like

3455
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:06,560
the the bang for your buck is is really

3456
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:08,960
high here in town. Um one note on

3457
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:10,800
revenues, Kevin, when you look at the

3458
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:14,239
total revenue here, 57 million um you

3459
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:17,199
know sales tax is about 17 million of

3460
02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:19,920
that. you have 40 million other dollars

3461
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:22,159
of revenue coming in and how they

3462
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:25,360
perform definitely factors into how well

3463
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:28,159
the general fund is doing. You know, um

3464
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:29,840
if you look at golf course for instance,

3465
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:33,599
not just this $600,000 increase, but the

3466
02:13:33,599 --> 02:13:36,480
increase we've seen back since 23, you

3467
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:38,800
know, it's almost doubled in just a

3468
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:41,760
four-year period. And that is really and

3469
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:43,920
that's keeping property taxes low. Like

3470
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:45,440
that's a real thing that's happening is

3471
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:47,520
the success of the golf course is making

3472
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:49,199
it so property taxes

3473
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:49,840
>> Yeah. because

3474
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:51,199
>> are able to stay low.

3475
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:53,199
>> That success of the golf course doesn't

3476
02:13:53,199 --> 02:13:55,199
just stay at the golf course. It's used

3477
02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:55,599
in

3478
02:13:55,599 --> 02:13:57,440
>> Yeah. It's helping pay for firefighters

3479
02:13:57,440 --> 02:14:00,880
which Thank you, D. Keep golfing.

3480
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:03,040
>> Yeah. Um some of those things, you know,

3481
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:04,639
you look at the energy tax, I mean, it's

3482
02:14:04,639 --> 02:14:06,639
basically flat over the that four-year

3483
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:08,400
period. So it does depend on some of

3484
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:10,400
these other factors as well, but there

3485
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:12,639
is we have some cushion there and

3486
02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:14,719
there's some things that we can pull if

3487
02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:15,119
needed.

3488
02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:18,239
>> Health and I'd be remiss if it during

3489
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:19,840
that golf course discussion not

3490
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:22,480
mentioned that it's not just favorable

3491
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:23,920
weather for the last little bit for a

3492
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:25,679
golf course, but there's been

3493
02:14:25,679 --> 02:14:27,679
substantial investments in the golf

3494
02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:30,400
course as well. And that points to

3495
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:31,920
prices you can charge and the people

3496
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:33,920
that want to go there and and hang out.

3497
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:36,960
There's marked improvements in

3498
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:38,880
the clubhouse, the expansion, and

3499
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:41,760
they're not cheap to do, but the the

3500
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:44,719
water and power that is used up there in

3501
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:46,880
a better way, uh especially in years

3502
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:49,199
where we're talking about being short on

3503
02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:51,599
water, uh smart investments made in the

3504
02:14:51,599 --> 02:14:54,480
golf course that are already paying off.

3505
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:56,079
>> Yeah.

3506
02:14:56,079 --> 02:14:58,560
>> All right. Anything else?

3507
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,320
I think it's fair like we have one month

3508
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:02,719
before the public hearing but all of us

3509
02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:05,199
up here if if there's questions from the

3510
02:15:05,199 --> 02:15:06,639
public right that they have about the

3511
02:15:06,639 --> 02:15:08,159
budget please reach out whether it's to

3512
02:15:08,159 --> 02:15:09,840
city staff or to us because I think this

3513
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:11,760
is the time for us to ask questions even

3514
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:13,679
before the public hearing because now is

3515
02:15:13,679 --> 02:15:15,280
the time to make those changes or to ask

3516
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:17,040
the questions that need to be answered

3517
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:18,880
and I know that there's been years where

3518
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:20,880
we don't hear anything um and sometimes

3519
02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:22,639
we do hear a few things and we love to

3520
02:15:22,639 --> 02:15:23,760
answer those questions and have those

3521
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:25,119
conversations because it helps us to

3522
02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:26,960
draw eyes to things that you care about

3523
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:27,760
as

3524
02:15:27,760 --> 02:15:31,280
Yeah. Um and and if you're interested in

3525
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:32,960
learning about finances, Smashwork

3526
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:34,480
University is great. I mean, there's one

3527
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:36,560
night where we talk some finances, but

3528
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:38,719
the other nine nights or however many,

3529
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:40,079
you're seeing where those finances are

3530
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:42,239
going and the services that are being

3531
02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:44,239
provided to this community and that

3532
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:46,320
helps you understand the need of the

3533
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:47,119
budget.

3534
02:15:47,119 --> 02:15:48,800
>> Does finance win is the most popular

3535
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:49,360
night?

3536
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:52,400
>> Uh yeah, sure.

3537
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:56,560
>> Yeah. I think last time it got one vote.

3538
02:15:56,560 --> 02:15:59,199
This is an important vote ever got.

3539
02:15:59,199 --> 02:16:01,119
>> That's pretty impressive. Yeah, I would

3540
02:16:01,119 --> 02:16:03,440
just echo that. Um Jesse, if if anyone

3541
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:05,440
wants to reach out, y'all have our

3542
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:07,599
emails. Please do. Mine is um

3543
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:10,709
jcardonfork.org.

3544
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:13,040
Please reach out and ask the questions.

3545
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:15,199
>> Yeah. How much he uses his email? It's

3546
02:16:15,199 --> 02:16:15,679
gov now.

3547
02:16:15,679 --> 02:16:16,159
>> Gov now.

3548
02:16:16,159 --> 02:16:19,199
>> I mean gov. J Cardone.

3549
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:20,000
>> Cardone.

3550
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:21,840
at

3551
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:23,599
>> So just a couple just one follow-up

3552
02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:25,440
thought. Uh, as you're sitting there

3553
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:26,719
talking about how do we deal with this

3554
02:16:26,719 --> 02:16:27,840
circumstance and that and that

3555
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:30,480
circumstance, I'm over here just jumping

3556
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:33,439
for joy in my seat because over the last

3557
02:16:33,439 --> 02:16:35,599
10 years or so, we've made some

3558
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:37,519
significant changes to the budget and

3559
02:16:37,519 --> 02:16:39,760
these tools that you're talking about,

3560
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:41,760
these levers that Jordan references with

3561
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:44,479
his hands in motion. These are very real

3562
02:16:44,479 --> 02:16:46,639
and important parts of what we've done.

3563
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:50,319
The budget is very deliberate and we are

3564
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:53,840
uh capable of dealing with change as it

3565
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:55,599
may come. We're not resilient to

3566
02:16:55,599 --> 02:16:56,880
anything and everything. You know, we

3567
02:16:56,880 --> 02:16:58,800
can't predict everything, but we've got

3568
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:01,040
some wonderful tools in place and it

3569
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:03,120
always starts with we just can't do

3570
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:05,760
that. That's tool number one. And then

3571
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:07,840
when things are flat or things are

3572
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:11,280
negative, um during 2008, we go back to

3573
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:12,880
that because that's a very real time

3574
02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:15,599
that we can remember. ORM's sales tax

3575
02:17:15,599 --> 02:17:17,519
was about where we are right now, $15

3576
02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:20,800
million. And they went backward from 15

3577
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:23,599
to 13.

3578
02:17:23,599 --> 02:17:26,639
That's a hard pill to swallow. Right.

3579
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:28,800
Our sales tax at that time was 4 million

3580
02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:32,960
and it went down to three and a half.

3581
02:17:32,960 --> 02:17:34,559
Relatively speaking, almost the exact

3582
02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:36,559
same percent. A really hard pill to

3583
02:17:36,559 --> 02:17:38,880
swallow. We've got those we've got

3584
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:40,719
levers in place that we can pull. First

3585
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:42,000
starting with we're just not going to do

3586
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:43,679
it. We're not going to grow that way.

3587
02:17:43,679 --> 02:17:45,200
we're we're not going to do that. Then

3588
02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:48,479
how do we how do we we recess for a year

3589
02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:50,880
or two or three and and keep things

3590
02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:52,559
going? And I'm so proud of what we've

3591
02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:55,599
done. It's different and and sometimes

3592
02:17:55,599 --> 02:17:59,280
the staff has had um

3593
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:02,719
you know uh convulsions to some of the

3594
02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:05,120
ways that we've adjusted things. But but

3595
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:06,639
those convulsions are not because it's

3596
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:08,559
bad or it's just it's just different.

3597
02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:09,920
But as you understand where we're trying

3598
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:13,439
to be and how we're trying to u make

3599
02:18:13,439 --> 02:18:15,439
things function

3600
02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:16,960
sustainably and I love the way that

3601
02:18:16,960 --> 02:18:18,479
Jordan analyzes things. He's brought

3602
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:21,040
such a great great eye to this and his

3603
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:22,880
eye to the future and in sustainability.

3604
02:18:22,880 --> 02:18:25,280
I think he's done a great job. Um if you

3605
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:26,399
don't have any other questions we do

3606
02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:28,160
need you to um approve the tenative

3607
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:29,920
budget and we we need you to set a time

3608
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:33,679
and place for the public hearing.

3609
02:18:33,679 --> 02:18:37,439
as typical in Spanish Fork. Um we do not

3610
02:18:37,439 --> 02:18:40,800
you can approve the budget as early as

3611
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:42,800
um June 2nd, but we would always

3612
02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:46,000
recommend that you not um but you can

3613
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:47,599
but take that public hearing, receive

3614
02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:49,599
that comment, those comments, assume

3615
02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:50,800
somebody's going to have a comment that

3616
02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:52,160
we want to follow up on, we want to look

3617
02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:54,479
into, we want to understand, and then we

3618
02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:56,639
would prepare to approve the budget in

3619
02:18:56,639 --> 02:18:59,280
some form uh on that June 16th council

3620
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:03,589
meeting.

3621
02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:06,160
question for Seth or Jordan.

3622
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:08,719
>> I have one last. Um, so if you look

3623
02:19:08,719 --> 02:19:10,160
through the budget book, where' Jordan

3624
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:13,280
go? Um,

3625
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:15,359
wonderful graphics. We have a really

3626
02:19:15,359 --> 02:19:16,880
good graphic that shows where the money

3627
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:18,880
goes from an expenditure standpoint. We

3628
02:19:18,880 --> 02:19:21,200
don't have one collective. Where does it

3629
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:22,479
come from?

3630
02:19:22,479 --> 02:19:24,559
>> Oh, really? I'll have to take a look at

3631
02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:27,679
that. So you have further in the

3632
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:30,080
document the pieces of how you make up

3633
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:32,479
the revenue side of it, but you don't

3634
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:36,479
have you have the expenditure on page

3635
02:19:36,479 --> 02:19:37,920
I don't know what that is. It's the big

3636
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:42,240
circle pie chart. You need to miss one

3637
02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:45,509
graph.

3638
02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:48,000
It's got revenue on

3639
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:50,720
>> you get there.

3640
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:54,640
>> How city finances work and then

3641
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:55,280
>> so if you

3642
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:56,080
>> you can add it up.

3643
02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:57,840
>> What you're saying is you want So jump

3644
02:19:57,840 --> 02:20:00,880
to page 19 of the text. You want

3645
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:02,479
something like that.

3646
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:03,200
>> 19.

3647
02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:05,920
>> Um nope. You want revenue. Sorry. Page

3648
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:06,800
21.

3649
02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:07,280
>> Yep.

3650
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:09,760
>> You want something like that that shows

3651
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:11,680
taxes this portion of the pie. Sorry.

3652
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:14,640
Sales tax this portion property etc. You

3653
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:15,359
want something like that?

3654
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:17,439
>> Yeah. So, if you if you're looking at

3655
02:20:17,439 --> 02:20:20,319
the it's the second pie chart.

3656
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:21,120
>> Yeah.

3657
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:24,720
>> Total city budget expenditures FY27.

3658
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:26,160
Really good job of where the money is

3659
02:20:26,160 --> 02:20:28,800
going. The next slide should be where

3660
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:30,479
the money came from.

3661
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:31,920
>> Holistically.

3662
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:35,600
the whole 231.1

3663
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:39,359
million. You have it. I can find it. I

3664
02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:41,840
just like it graphic. Graphically,

3665
02:20:41,840 --> 02:20:44,240
>> you like the colored.

3666
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:47,520
I do. I like the red. I like the maroon.

3667
02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:49,040
Now I figured out there's two high

3668
02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:50,240
schools in the city.

3669
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:51,680
>> Good job. We can do that.

3670
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:54,160
>> See, Mr. Boyak was here. Coach Boyak was

3671
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:55,120
here.

3672
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:58,080
>> Pay some respect.

3673
02:20:58,080 --> 02:20:58,960
>> Yep. Absolutely.

3674
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:02,240
>> That's it. Thank you.

3675
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:06,150
>> Anything else?

3676
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:09,439
Okay. uh as was mentioned uh by manager

3677
02:21:09,439 --> 02:21:12,800
parents there the um this is to adopt

3678
02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:15,920
the tenative budget which does uh

3679
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:18,880
schedule a public hearing for June 2nd.

3680
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:21,040
Uh and again I think well said by

3681
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:23,120
council up here that residents don't

3682
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:25,439
need to wait till June 2nd to talk to

3683
02:21:25,439 --> 02:21:28,479
us, ask questions about it or meet with

3684
02:21:28,479 --> 02:21:30,560
uh staff about it as well. I know that's

3685
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:32,000
a periodic thing that happens with

3686
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:34,160
residents coming and talking to our

3687
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:37,520
finance department as well. So, um, not

3688
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:40,240
set in stone, but preliminary today and

3689
02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:41,680
then would love to hear from you before

3690
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:44,080
the public hearing on June 2nd. If

3691
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,720
anybody's ready to make that motion, I'd

3692
02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:49,439
say let's do it. I move to approve the

3693
02:21:49,439 --> 02:21:52,000
tenative fiscal year 2027 budget and set

3694
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:55,280
the public hearing for June 2nd, 2026 at

3695
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,120
6 p.m. during city council meeting to

3696
02:21:57,120 --> 02:22:00,000
consider adoption of the final budget.

3697
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:02,640
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

3698
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:03,359
>> Second.

3699
02:22:03,359 --> 02:22:05,359
by Councilman Tuk. A roll call

3700
02:22:05,359 --> 02:22:06,880
vote here. Councilman Tuk,

3701
02:22:06,880 --> 02:22:07,200
>> yes.

3702
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:08,000
>> Councilman Carden,

3703
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:08,319
>> yes.

3704
02:22:08,319 --> 02:22:09,200
>> Councilman Oiler,

3705
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:09,439
>> yes.

3706
02:22:09,439 --> 02:22:10,479
>> Councilwoman Beck,

3707
02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:10,800
>> yes.

3708
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:12,000
>> And Councilman Marshall,

3709
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:12,960
>> yes.

3710
02:22:12,960 --> 02:22:16,080
>> Item D is approved. We'll uh we'll see

3711
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:18,479
everybody on a public hearing of June

3712
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:19,600
2nd.

3713
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:21,680
>> Okay. Item E, ordinance adopting the

3714
02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:25,439
land use element of the general plan.

3715
02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:30,389
Mr. David W. Man,

3716
02:22:30,399 --> 02:22:34,160
» turn that W upside down. You got it,

3717
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:35,600
>> David. And

3718
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:37,280
>> I guess DMM.

3719
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:38,960
>> That's how I'm reading it.

3720
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:41,760
>> So, first of all, I just want to express

3721
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:44,720
gratitude for being able to work on this

3722
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:48,880
project for the amazing I'm I'm being

3723
02:22:48,880 --> 02:22:50,720
completely and totally honest. This has

3724
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:52,880
been the highlight of my career. I don't

3725
02:22:52,880 --> 02:22:54,399
know if it's going to be topped for the

3726
02:22:54,399 --> 02:22:56,960
rest of my career because it's been a

3727
02:22:56,960 --> 02:22:57,200
pleasure.

3728
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:58,479
>> We're going to do this again next year.

3729
02:22:58,479 --> 02:23:02,000
It's and I get to keep working on it,

3730
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:03,920
but it's been a pleasure to work on it,

3731
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:07,359
to to be able to communicate with the

3732
02:23:07,359 --> 02:23:10,080
residents, with staff, with the mayor

3733
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:13,120
and council, to get lots of feedback, to

3734
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:15,439
learn throughout this whole process. So,

3735
02:23:15,439 --> 02:23:18,880
I just wanted to say that upfront.

3736
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:21,439
Um, I'm going to keep my my comments

3737
02:23:21,439 --> 02:23:23,200
brief tonight. I think we've talked a

3738
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:25,680
lot about the land use element. I think

3739
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:27,359
we're all pretty familiar with what it

3740
02:23:27,359 --> 02:23:29,840
is, what it contains, but I did want to

3741
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:31,600
read this paragraph that's on the first

3742
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:35,040
page. Uh says, "The land use element is

3743
02:23:35,040 --> 02:23:37,520
both visionary and practical. It

3744
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:39,760
outlines community aspirations while

3745
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:42,080
guiding daily decision-making.

3746
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:44,640
It identifies where uses currently exist

3747
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:46,800
so that future uses can be distributed

3748
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:49,760
effectively. As Spanish Fort grows and

3749
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:52,080
conditions evolve, the document will be

3750
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:54,000
updated to ensure policies remain

3751
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:55,920
aligned with the city's needs and

3752
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:57,520
values.

3753
02:23:57,520 --> 02:24:01,120
That one paragraph, I think, very well

3754
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:03,680
lays out the purpose, the intent, the

3755
02:24:03,680 --> 02:24:06,319
role that the land use element plays.

3756
02:24:06,319 --> 02:24:09,120
Um, last week I had an opportunity to go

3757
02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:12,720
to a kind of an additional meeting with

3758
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,040
other staff and the consultant that's

3759
02:24:15,040 --> 02:24:16,560
working on the transportation master

3760
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:18,880
plan. and we had an opportunity to talk

3761
02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:23,920
about land use. And um it was

3762
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:25,600
I was grateful for the opportunity, but

3763
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:28,880
it was challenging because we're still

3764
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:31,680
kind of in this process of evaluating

3765
02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:34,960
the language, the the colors on the map,

3766
02:24:34,960 --> 02:24:36,880
um all the elements that are part of

3767
02:24:36,880 --> 02:24:42,000
this document. And um the the the land

3768
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:44,240
use element that's in place right now

3769
02:24:44,240 --> 02:24:48,800
was adopted over 15 years ago. We still

3770
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:51,040
when people come into the office, we've

3771
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:54,160
got a land use map that was once again

3772
02:24:54,160 --> 02:24:58,399
primarily created about 15 years ago.

3773
02:24:58,399 --> 02:25:01,120
We are growing city. We're a changing

3774
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:05,040
city. And so we have an opportunity to

3775
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:08,560
adopt a a new land use element but as

3776
02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:10,960
well as that we can continue to update

3777
02:25:10,960 --> 02:25:14,240
it to ensure that it remains valuable.

3778
02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:16,160
Um this is a document that we want to

3779
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:18,560
use regularly. We want to use it so that

3780
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:21,840
we can both apply uh the principles, the

3781
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:24,000
goals, the policies, the strategies that

3782
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:26,800
are contained in it as well as

3783
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:29,040
continually evaluate it as we apply

3784
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:31,280
those. Um, I think it's a great

3785
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:33,760
opportunity to continue to build on that

3786
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:36,880
idea that this is a living document. Um,

3787
02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:39,120
we do have some minor changes that have

3788
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:40,080
been made. There were some

3789
02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:42,160
inconsistencies because there was a lot

3790
02:25:42,160 --> 02:25:44,240
of uh changes that were made kind of in

3791
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:46,640
the first section of the plan, not so

3792
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:49,280
much on the second half. And so in order

3793
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:51,120
to get some more consistency in some of

3794
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:54,160
the language um so for example the

3795
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:56,720
station area uh designation talking

3796
02:25:56,720 --> 02:25:58,560
about a potential future frontr runner

3797
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:01,520
station rather than having it seem more

3798
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:03,439
certain because there is some

3799
02:26:03,439 --> 02:26:07,439
uncertainty at this time. Um

3800
02:26:07,439 --> 02:26:08,880
there's also some language in the

3801
02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:12,399
gateway designation uh that wasn't uh

3802
02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:15,600
updated when we changed the the gateway

3803
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:19,520
idea with uh the confusion that came

3804
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:22,160
with the gateway principle and then the

3805
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:25,280
gateway land use designation. So this

3806
02:26:25,280 --> 02:26:27,359
highlights the focus growth center uh

3807
02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:30,960
idea as well as um highlighting the

3808
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:33,359
northern portion which is where that uh

3809
02:26:33,359 --> 02:26:35,520
land use designation is shown on the

3810
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:38,399
proposed land use map.

3811
02:26:38,399 --> 02:26:41,040
Um there was also some changes made to

3812
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:43,760
uh the summary of the southwest quadrant

3813
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:46,640
of the city. Um talking about the Front

3814
02:26:46,640 --> 02:26:49,520
Runner station that it's still uh

3815
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:51,680
there's still some uncertainty there. Um

3816
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:55,120
but that uh if finalized and funded, a

3817
02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:57,040
required stationary plan would establish

3818
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:59,600
transit oriented land uses, development

3819
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:03,280
intensity, and design standards. Um, and

3820
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:09,760
so we wanted to say that, you know, it's not for certain at this time, but

3821
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:12,240
if that does become a reality, that's

3822
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:15,439
what we have to look forward to.

3823
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:18,240
We also added a strategy uh to the first

3824
02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:20,240
goal um to consider future

3825
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:21,760
infrastructure needs when evaluating

3826
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:23,920
proposed annexations to avoid

3827
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:26,640
inefficient uh spending of public funds.

3828
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:28,240
I think that was something that uh

3829
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:30,160
needed to be highlighted uh in this

3830
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:32,399
section. There's still a lot of things

3831
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:36,399
that can be done, but uh I think there's

3832
02:27:36,399 --> 02:27:38,720
time to be able to evaluate it as

3833
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:40,560
projects come forward, as developers

3834
02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:42,080
come in with proposals in different

3835
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:44,880
parts of the city. Um, and so I look

3836
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:47,680
forward to seeing this uh to the point

3837
02:27:47,680 --> 02:27:49,520
where it gets adopted and that we can

3838
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:53,280
continue to uh make it work for us as

3839
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:56,479
the city grows. I've had to answer any

3840
02:27:56,479 --> 02:28:00,630
questions that you have.

3841
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:02,720
Thank you, David. Appreciate that. Any

3842
02:28:02,720 --> 02:28:08,550
questions for Dave on this item?

3843
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:10,960
» Nope.

3844
02:28:10,960 --> 02:28:12,560
>> No.

3845
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:14,399
>> Have a lot of questions for you all.

3846
02:28:14,399 --> 02:28:17,120
>> Right. We might call you back up, Dave.

3847
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:18,960
>> Yeah. Be ready. Don't go to dinner yet.

3848
02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:22,230
>> Be ready.

3849
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:25,280
» Okay. Uh let's see.

3850
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:28,640
land use elements of the general plan

3851
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:32,160
here. Um we

3852
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:35,520
was it the remind me it was the uh water

3853
02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:38,319
portion of the general plan last time we

3854
02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:39,680
discussed

3855
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:41,200
>> yeah that was I believe recently

3856
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:44,479
adopted. We adopted that a meeting ago,

3857
02:28:44,479 --> 02:28:47,520
maybe a couple meetings ago, but we uh

3858
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:50,560
we had this public hearing last council

3859
02:28:50,560 --> 02:28:54,160
meeting uh for for the the general plan

3860
02:28:54,160 --> 02:28:56,160
here. So, not a public hearing tonight,

3861
02:28:56,160 --> 02:28:58,080
but a hearing up here to be able to

3862
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:00,240
discuss it. And we have one attendant

3863
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:03,439
here still. Maybe if he wants to say

3864
02:29:03,439 --> 02:29:06,640
something, we could ask him. But, uh

3865
02:29:06,640 --> 02:29:10,960
yeah, discussion up here. uh what uh

3866
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:14,319
what concerns, what comments, what

3867
02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:15,760
discussion would you like to have up

3868
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:19,520
here that's not been had in the last one

3869
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:21,280
year and eight months of discussion of

3870
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:22,080
this?

3871
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:26,469
>> Yeah.

3872
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:29,359
» Where do we start? Who's starting?

3873
02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:30,479
>> I sent mine.

3874
02:29:30,479 --> 02:29:31,040
>> Go ahead.

3875
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:32,560
>> Go for it. Go, Jess.

3876
02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:36,550
>> Kevin, go.

3877
02:29:36,560 --> 02:29:38,880
Um

3878
02:29:38,880 --> 02:29:41,439
yeah, how do I guess the question is how

3879
02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:42,880
do we approach this because it feels

3880
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:45,200
like there's different areas

3881
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:47,600
um lots of different concepts. Do we

3882
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:50,000
just pick something and just start

3883
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:51,600
talking about it and then jump to the

3884
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:53,359
next thing? I don't know.

3885
02:29:53,359 --> 02:29:54,399
>> I think that's the only way to get

3886
02:29:54,399 --> 02:29:54,880
through it,

3887
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:56,640
>> right?

3888
02:29:56,640 --> 02:29:58,479
>> You want to pick a section of it and

3889
02:29:58,479 --> 02:30:01,439
discuss it further and ask questions? I

3890
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:05,040
>> I would be a great idea.

3891
02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:07,680
I think we've all got it in front of us.

3892
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:11,439
>> I approve the east bench. That's all.

3893
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:12,800
>> That's all you got?

3894
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:14,080
>> I've got all you got.

3895
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:17,120
>> The buildout area.

3896
02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:18,960
>> I'm comfortable with everything that's

3897
02:30:18,960 --> 02:30:19,920
currently built out.

3898
02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:24,240
>> It's built. Yeah. I think uh I think uh

3899
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:27,760
my uh

3900
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:34,399
my first comment uh to to this again is I I think that was important what

3901
02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:38,000
David said about working off some maps

3902
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:39,760
um you know in their in their office

3903
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:41,600
that are some older maps and the city's

3904
02:30:41,600 --> 02:30:44,240
changed and adjusted since then. Um you

3905
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:46,160
just heard it. We just had a a budget

3906
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:48,880
discussion where we touted how healthy

3907
02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:52,240
of sales tax revenue is. $17 million in

3908
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:55,600
a year. That's that's that's a $1.4

3909
02:30:55,600 --> 02:30:57,680
million average a month in sales tax

3910
02:30:57,680 --> 02:31:01,520
revenue. That previous general plan map

3911
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:05,840
or general plan discussion did not have

3912
02:31:05,840 --> 02:31:07,920
things that produced that sales tax

3913
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:10,160
revenue. So the things that we're proud

3914
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:12,800
of, which is why I like tomorrow's

3915
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:15,520
today's progress, tomorrow's pride, the

3916
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:17,600
things we're proud of today, where our

3917
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:20,160
community has has evolved to is because

3918
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:21,920
of some some good planning and because

3919
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:25,040
of that map being amended, the the

3920
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:26,560
general plan being amended, and this one

3921
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:29,200
will be amended, too. So, I I I

3922
02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:30,960
certainly I think I've said this before,

3923
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:33,680
I don't want it to come off that we've

3924
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:37,280
done a poor job of planning our our our

3925
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:39,359
plan has been updated when it needs to

3926
02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:42,560
and and it's been a a place that that I

3927
02:31:42,560 --> 02:31:44,640
think we could point to that's got us to

3928
02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:46,640
some success that we like to talk about

3929
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:50,240
here in in Spanish Fork.

3930
02:31:50,240 --> 02:31:52,160
I guess my hockey analogy since I'm a

3931
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:53,680
hockey fan now that we were in the

3932
02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:55,760
playoffs, big hockey fan, you know,

3933
02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:57,280
>> this is we

3934
02:31:57,280 --> 02:31:58,960
>> uh

3935
02:31:58,960 --> 02:32:02,399
is is um the general plan feels more

3936
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:06,880
like instead of skating to the puck,

3937
02:32:06,880 --> 02:32:10,000
skate where the puck will be. And that's

3938
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:14,640
an important u concept in in that game

3939
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:17,280
is uh if you skate to the to the puck,

3940
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:18,720
you're probably late to it and somebody

3941
02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:21,280
else is there. And a general plan feels

3942
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:24,640
like let's have a vision, a 10,000 foot

3943
02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:26,640
vision of skating where the puck will

3944
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:29,200
be. Um and obviously there's a lot of

3945
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:32,080
factors that go into that puck actually

3946
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:34,720
ending up there. Um but I think we have

3947
02:32:34,720 --> 02:32:36,240
a great history. We have a great working

3948
02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:37,920
history

3949
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:40,479
with uh with our county partners with a

3950
02:32:40,479 --> 02:32:43,840
lot of people uh that that that used to

3951
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:46,160
be areas of the county and are now

3952
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:47,920
inside of our city and we'll continue

3953
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:50,720
that tradition going forward as well.

3954
02:32:50,720 --> 02:32:56,960
I'm confident of that. Um, so again,

3955
02:32:56,960 --> 02:32:59,120
doesn't need to be perfect and perfect

3956
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:00,640
could certainly be the enemy of good

3957
02:33:00,640 --> 02:33:05,760
here. But, uh, let's, uh, let's talk

3958
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:07,680
about the issues you you you still want

3959
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:10,560
to discuss and and and and maybe have

3960
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:14,000
debate on. Um, but let's not debate it

3961
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:16,960
for another year and a half.

3962
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:19,120
>> Who's who's running the computer? Jack,

3963
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:21,680
do you have access to that? Can you turn

3964
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:25,840
to the land use land element draft if

3965
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:28,560
you've got it open

3966
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:31,280
and maybe go to page 17 which just shows

3967
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:35,760
the overall map of all of the changes.

3968
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:45,429
Start there.

3969
02:33:45,439 --> 02:33:47,439
» It's a pretty small document,

3970
02:33:47,439 --> 02:33:48,399
>> right?

3971
02:33:48,399 --> 02:33:51,600
>> 62 pages. Smaller than the budget ones.

3972
02:33:51,600 --> 02:33:51,680
It

3973
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:54,560
>> is smaller than the budget.

3974
02:33:54,560 --> 02:33:56,160
>> Is it really smaller than the budget?

3975
02:33:56,160 --> 02:33:57,680
>> Yeah, this is smaller than the budget

3976
02:33:57,680 --> 02:33:59,520
document.

3977
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:00,880
>> Give you a page again.

3978
02:34:00,880 --> 02:34:12,309
>> 17.

3979
02:34:12,319 --> 02:34:15,439
» Perfect. Thank you.

3980
02:34:15,439 --> 02:34:17,920
Maybe zoom in just a little bit more.

3981
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:19,439
Would you like to see them?

3982
02:34:19,439 --> 02:34:21,280
>> Um, just mostly the map. We don't need

3983
02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:23,760
the text above. Yeah, that's good.

3984
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:28,469
That's perfect. Thank you,

3985
02:34:28,479 --> 02:34:30,640
» Jane. I know you shared some things with

3986
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:32,640
staff, with the council. I don't know if

3987
02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:34,399
you want to start with some of the

3988
02:34:34,399 --> 02:34:34,800
things.

3989
02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:35,600
>> Sure.

3990
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:37,040
>> I knew you were going to do that to me,

3991
02:34:37,040 --> 02:34:37,520
Kev.

3992
02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:38,800
>> Yep.

3993
02:34:38,800 --> 02:34:43,520
>> Um, you saw my five points. Um, there

3994
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:46,160
the first part the first point is, are

3995
02:34:46,160 --> 02:34:47,760
our goals right? Are there things that

3996
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:51,840
we can add, refine? Um, you don't need

3997
02:34:51,840 --> 02:34:53,120
to go to the goals. This is this is a

3998
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:55,200
good spot here. I'll get to this point.

3999
02:34:55,200 --> 02:34:56,800
Um,

4000
02:34:56,800 --> 02:35:00,000
you could walk through all 15 of those

4001
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,840
and say yes no to each one of them.

4002
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:06,640
That might be a way to do it. Um, I

4003
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:07,600
don't know if we want to sit here and

4004
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:10,080
read them all night long,

4005
02:35:10,080 --> 02:35:12,240
but the one I do want to talk about here

4006
02:35:12,240 --> 02:35:17,120
today for sure is how to treat in the

4007
02:35:17,120 --> 02:35:19,520
current plan in the current decision of

4008
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:22,880
a landowner APA and what the designation

4009
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:26,160
land use designation should be. Um, I've

4010
02:35:26,160 --> 02:35:28,240
proposed something which is different

4011
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:32,960
from the comment I made two plans ago.

4012
02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:36,080
Um, Jesse has proposed something on how

4013
02:35:36,080 --> 02:35:40,000
to how to sort of resolve

4014
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:43,760
this. We know what

4015
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:45,760
I think I have a good understanding of

4016
02:35:45,760 --> 02:35:48,160
what the people the property owners of

4017
02:35:48,160 --> 02:35:50,720
APA specifically. I'm not talking all of

4018
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:52,319
Leland. I'm not talking all of Center

4019
02:35:52,319 --> 02:35:53,680
Street. I'm not talking I'm talking

4020
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:57,040
specifically active APAs.

4021
02:35:57,040 --> 02:36:01,200
Um my my thought is they have come

4022
02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:03,520
before the board before us and said we

4023
02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:06,000
want to designate our property as APA

4024
02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:07,840
because we want to farm it for as long

4025
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:10,960
as we possibly can.

4026
02:36:10,960 --> 02:36:14,240
Very very many times we sit here and we

4027
02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:16,479
want to support a land use a land

4028
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:17,920
owner's decision on what they want to do

4029
02:36:17,920 --> 02:36:20,240
with their property. And Richard's

4030
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:22,399
sitting here tonight saying yes. I like

4031
02:36:22,399 --> 02:36:23,760
where he's going with this because he

4032
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:25,280
has a change that he wants to make to

4033
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:28,640
his property as well. Um, not every

4034
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:30,560
single time do we say yes, we agree with

4035
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:33,200
that property owner. Um, but in this

4036
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:35,760
case, they have taken an action that

4037
02:36:35,760 --> 02:36:37,760
says clearly to me that what they want

4038
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:39,680
to do with their their property is farm

4039
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:44,160
it. So, my proposal is to designate the

4040
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:48,319
land use in APAs as agriculture.

4041
02:36:48,319 --> 02:36:50,720
One, because that's the signal they sent

4042
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:53,120
to us. Secondly, I think that is the

4043
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:55,920
only land use designation that complies

4044
02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:59,200
with the law for an APA. I disagree with

4045
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:03,120
um Dave Anderson that any land use is

4046
02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:04,800
compatible with an APA. I don't believe

4047
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:07,439
that is correct. Um I think this is the

4048
02:37:07,439 --> 02:37:10,080
only way that we can be compatible. I

4049
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:11,760
know we had some debate about it. There

4050
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:13,680
was some discussion about it last time.

4051
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:16,640
Von gave us a pretty good answer. Um

4052
02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:19,120
this is that's the that's the one thing

4053
02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:21,200
that I want to resolve tonight. And if I

4054
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:22,640
have to make a motion to do it and we

4055
02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:24,640
vote and we turn it down, whatever, I

4056
02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:26,319
want to get some resolution on. But I

4057
02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:27,840
think Jesse has an idea that we need to

4058
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:28,720
talk about.

4059
02:37:28,720 --> 02:37:32,399
>> So, yeah. So, the the the opposite or

4060
02:37:32,399 --> 02:37:33,439
this because we've been talking about

4061
02:37:33,439 --> 02:37:35,520
the boundary

4062
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:36,880
um

4063
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:40,000
>> boundary growth boundary being used as

4064
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:43,520
that carve out. Um, from a good steward

4065
02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:44,960
standpoint, I do think it makes sense

4066
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:46,720
that we need to plan for those areas at

4067
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:49,920
some point when they do or if at some

4068
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:52,080
point they they change hands or somebody

4069
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:53,760
decides to change the way that they're

4070
02:37:53,760 --> 02:37:56,080
using that land. So my thought is is if

4071
02:37:56,080 --> 02:37:58,960
we were to make a new type of

4072
02:37:58,960 --> 02:38:01,680
designation in the general planned that

4073
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:04,640
simply so for lack of having them all

4074
02:38:04,640 --> 02:38:07,280
spelled out on this paper. Let's say

4075
02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:09,200
it's commercial in the future. That's

4076
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:10,640
what we have it general planned here on

4077
02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:13,520
this picture as. But then we put some

4078
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:16,560
type of cross-hatching over that APA

4079
02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:20,000
property that has a key to it that says

4080
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:21,359
this cross-hatching means that they're

4081
02:38:21,359 --> 02:38:24,240
in an APA. We still are general planning

4082
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:26,000
it. We are still looking to the future

4083
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:28,000
saying this is what we see this as in

4084
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:30,240
the future, but we also recognize that

4085
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:32,160
they are in APA and they can they will

4086
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:34,319
continue to be in that APA until they

4087
02:38:34,319 --> 02:38:37,680
decide to be out of it. It then

4088
02:38:37,680 --> 02:38:40,880
delineates the need to actually use the

4089
02:38:40,880 --> 02:38:43,439
growth boundary part of this. So, you

4090
02:38:43,439 --> 02:38:45,920
know, some of it is we're trying to be

4091
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:47,280
strategic in what what we were using

4092
02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:49,600
with the uh growth boundary, but there

4093
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:51,200
was still some hesitancy on both sides

4094
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:52,640
of the growth boundary. Both from city

4095
02:38:52,640 --> 02:38:54,560
staff, they they had come up with a way

4096
02:38:54,560 --> 02:38:55,840
to make this work, but I still think

4097
02:38:55,840 --> 02:38:58,319
there was some hesitancy of that being

4098
02:38:58,319 --> 02:39:00,319
the right way to do it. And I don't know

4099
02:39:00,319 --> 02:39:01,840
that there's a right or a wrong way to

4100
02:39:01,840 --> 02:39:03,359
do it, but I think that this

4101
02:39:03,359 --> 02:39:05,200
cross-hatching, for lack of better

4102
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:08,720
words, kind of solves both issues in

4103
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:10,240
we're sending a clear signal. This is

4104
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:12,800
APA. We recognize it. We see it. we see

4105
02:39:12,800 --> 02:39:15,200
you, we hear you, but we also are saying

4106
02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:17,840
to ourselves and to the future of the

4107
02:39:17,840 --> 02:39:19,760
city staff that hey, this is what we see

4108
02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:21,359
it as in the future.

4109
02:39:21,359 --> 02:39:23,280
>> So the two the two arguments that you're

4110
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:24,399
the two problems you're trying to solve

4111
02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:27,840
is one landowner wants to farm it. We're

4112
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:29,760
going to acknowledge it. We say that

4113
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:31,600
sort of like in the interim between now

4114
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:33,280
and some future state, we're going to

4115
02:39:33,280 --> 02:39:34,880
treat it as agriculture.

4116
02:39:34,880 --> 02:39:36,720
>> Correct.

4117
02:39:36,720 --> 02:39:38,240
plan for the future so that

4118
02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:40,000
infrastructure that's built it can

4119
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:42,399
accommodate the future land use of that.

4120
02:39:42,399 --> 02:39:44,720
That's what So that's the idea.

4121
02:39:44,720 --> 02:39:46,319
>> Yes. 100% is the idea.

4122
02:39:46,319 --> 02:39:47,200
>> All right.

4123
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:49,600
>> I really like that idea. Can I ask

4124
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:54,160
though like if they're in an APA?

4125
02:39:54,160 --> 02:39:56,640
Doesn't everybody already know that?

4126
02:39:56,640 --> 02:39:57,200
>> So

4127
02:39:57,200 --> 02:39:59,359
>> I feel like we're doing like double duty

4128
02:39:59,359 --> 02:39:59,840
of

4129
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:01,200
>> So if you look at that map, can you see

4130
02:40:01,200 --> 02:40:04,240
an APA on there?

4131
02:40:04,240 --> 02:40:06,319
>> No. But is that our responsibility to

4132
02:40:06,319 --> 02:40:06,960
tell

4133
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:08,720
>> the state code that Shane pulled up last

4134
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:11,600
time said that it has to be identified

4135
02:40:11,600 --> 02:40:13,600
in the general plan. And when I know the

4136
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:15,439
general plan is the entire document.

4137
02:40:15,439 --> 02:40:15,920
>> Okay.

4138
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:17,680
>> But when I think of a general plan and I

4139
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:19,520
think and I would contend most people

4140
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:20,720
think of the general plan, they think of

4141
02:40:20,720 --> 02:40:21,280
this,

4142
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:22,160
>> right? I would too.

4143
02:40:22,160 --> 02:40:23,600
>> And that's why I say that. Okay.

4144
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:25,920
>> So I guess my question to that is that

4145
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:30,560
the individuals who have approached us

4146
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:35,520
with this idea of APAs

4147
02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:37,920
in the discussions I've had want nothing

4148
02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:41,200
more than to have it designated as a I

4149
02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:43,359
don't know that this is going to make

4150
02:40:43,359 --> 02:40:45,680
them happy or appease them in any way.

4151
02:40:45,680 --> 02:40:51,120
So, I guess my purpose and I state this

4152
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:53,200
all the time in as member of the city

4153
02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:54,399
council is to make sure that we're

4154
02:40:54,399 --> 02:40:56,399
making doing right by the entire city of

4155
02:40:56,399 --> 02:40:58,720
Spanish Fork. And I think that you're

4156
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:00,319
100% right. They've said they want to be

4157
02:41:00,319 --> 02:41:02,960
general planned agg. I don't know that I

4158
02:41:02,960 --> 02:41:05,840
can with a clear conscience for the good

4159
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:07,680
of the future of Spanish Forks say that

4160
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:09,600
if I general plan that as a that I'm

4161
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:12,080
making the best decision because I don't

4162
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:14,240
know that that's making setting us up

4163
02:41:14,240 --> 02:41:15,760
for success for what that future looks

4164
02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:18,560
like. This is the best way I can see us

4165
02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:21,439
doing this in a way that tries to do

4166
02:41:21,439 --> 02:41:23,760
both ways. But again, I don't think

4167
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:25,200
everyone is going to be happy about it.

4168
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:28,160
But it also gives us it shows clear

4169
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:31,280
indication that we are trying to

4170
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:33,200
work with what they've they've done.

4171
02:41:33,200 --> 02:41:34,960
They've went through a step to make it

4172
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:36,240
act protection and so we're just

4173
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:38,080
identifying it. But we're also not

4174
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:40,399
setting ourselves up for a big problem

4175
02:41:40,399 --> 02:41:42,399
in the future when somebody does change

4176
02:41:42,399 --> 02:41:44,080
land owners and they decide that they

4177
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:45,520
need to or they need to develop and now

4178
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:47,600
all of a sudden we're digging up

4179
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:49,680
hundreds of miles of hundreds of miles.

4180
02:41:49,680 --> 02:41:51,120
That's not right. But hundreds of feet

4181
02:41:51,120 --> 02:41:53,439
of road to put in a bigger sewer line, a

4182
02:41:53,439 --> 02:41:55,520
bigger whatever because we didn't plan

4183
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:56,160
correctly.

4184
02:41:56,160 --> 02:41:57,040
>> Agreed.

4185
02:41:57,040 --> 02:41:59,359
>> I are you sure that's what that property

4186
02:41:59,359 --> 02:42:00,560
owner's asking?

4187
02:42:00,560 --> 02:42:01,200
>> Say that again.

4188
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:02,560
>> You sure that's what that property owner

4189
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:04,319
is asking for? I guess you better ask

4190
02:42:04,319 --> 02:42:06,640
the property owner if they're okay with

4191
02:42:06,640 --> 02:42:08,960
hash marks on the map and if they're

4192
02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:11,439
okay with bigger pipes going down the

4193
02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:13,439
road. Well, that that's not what I'm

4194
02:42:13,439 --> 02:42:15,520
saying at all. I'm I'm saying that I'm

4195
02:42:15,520 --> 02:42:18,319
trying to hear what they have said as

4196
02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:21,920
their reasoning, but also to say that

4197
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:23,520
hey, this is what state code has said is

4198
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:24,880
that we need to identify on a general

4199
02:42:24,880 --> 02:42:26,800
plan and to show it. I don't think that

4200
02:42:26,800 --> 02:42:28,000
I'm saying necessarily that we have to

4201
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:28,640
do what every

4202
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:31,359
>> we think we think these planners

4203
02:42:31,359 --> 02:42:34,640
>> are breaking state code our our our

4204
02:42:34,640 --> 02:42:35,040
general

4205
02:42:35,040 --> 02:42:36,319
>> that's not what I'm saying either though

4206
02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:40,000
I'm saying that I'm trying to do what I am taking all the information that is

4207
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:41,840
coming towards me and saying this is my

4208
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:44,950
idea

4209
02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:47,760
» okay so we're talking about are we

4210
02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:50,560
talking about uh APA's inside Spanish

4211
02:42:50,560 --> 02:42:52,160
fork or outside Spanish fork

4212
02:42:52,160 --> 02:42:53,600
>> inside Spanish fork

4213
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:56,080
>> so there's one we're talking about one

4214
02:42:56,080 --> 02:42:56,880
property.

4215
02:42:56,880 --> 02:42:58,479
>> I'm talking about anything that we have

4216
02:42:58,479 --> 02:42:59,600
designated

4217
02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:00,560
>> or general plan for

4218
02:43:00,560 --> 02:43:02,800
>> in general plan for that is an APA.

4219
02:43:02,800 --> 02:43:03,520
>> That's what I meant to say.

4220
02:43:03,520 --> 02:43:04,720
>> So you're talking about our there's one

4221
02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:05,200
property

4222
02:43:05,200 --> 02:43:06,000
>> growth policy

4223
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:07,120
>> much more than one property.

4224
02:43:07,120 --> 02:43:08,800
>> So you see our growth policies

4225
02:43:08,800 --> 02:43:10,960
>> but not inside our city

4226
02:43:10,960 --> 02:43:12,160
>> inside our future city

4227
02:43:12,160 --> 02:43:13,920
>> inside our growth boundary growth

4228
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:14,479
policy.

4229
02:43:14,479 --> 02:43:14,720
>> Yeah.

4230
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:17,120
>> So you're talking not not not annexed

4231
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:17,520
inside

4232
02:43:17,520 --> 02:43:19,840
>> we have we have designated the the river

4233
02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:21,600
bottoms as agriculture. That's not in

4234
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:24,319
our city. So why are we what what what

4235
02:43:24,319 --> 02:43:26,240
what's the designation? What's the

4236
02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:28,399
reasoning behind that?

4237
02:43:28,399 --> 02:43:30,880
>> Why why would we why is it okay to put a

4238
02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:32,479
designation outside of our city

4239
02:43:32,479 --> 02:43:33,280
boundary?

4240
02:43:33,280 --> 02:43:33,920
>> Well, because you're doing

4241
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:35,359
>> in one area, but not another.

4242
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:36,880
>> Yeah, you do it with a general plan.

4243
02:43:36,880 --> 02:43:37,760
>> And that's what we're talking about.

4244
02:43:37,760 --> 02:43:40,560
>> Okay. Talking about general planning all

4245
02:43:40,560 --> 02:43:42,880
the area that we think that could be

4246
02:43:42,880 --> 02:43:44,720
>> that's what I'm trying to get specific

4247
02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:46,640
more specific on. You're not talking

4248
02:43:46,640 --> 02:43:48,560
about the one

4249
02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:48,880
>> spot

4250
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:50,000
>> APA,

4251
02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:52,960
>> but APAs outside

4252
02:43:52,960 --> 02:43:54,399
are you're not talking about one

4253
02:43:54,399 --> 02:43:56,000
specific APA inside our city.

4254
02:43:56,000 --> 02:43:57,120
>> I'm talking about APA.

4255
02:43:57,120 --> 02:43:59,279
>> Okay. So APAs, they're inside our growth

4256
02:43:59,279 --> 02:44:00,160
boundary,

4257
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:01,520
>> not outside our city.

4258
02:44:01,520 --> 02:44:03,120
>> Well,

4259
02:44:03,120 --> 02:44:04,479
the future growth boundary, they would

4260
02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:05,920
be outside of it because that's the

4261
02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:07,520
proposal on the table is to put them

4262
02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:09,600
outside the growth boundary. But

4263
02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:11,040
>> generally, yes.

4264
02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:13,439
>> Not Okay, real quick. Terms growth

4265
02:44:13,439 --> 02:44:16,000
policy, not growth boundary.

4266
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:17,200
That might be helpful for me.

4267
02:44:17,200 --> 02:44:19,600
>> Yes. Our It's our policy, not our

4268
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:21,040
boundary because our boundary is a

4269
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:23,120
totally different map than our policy

4270
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:23,920
map.

4271
02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:25,760
>> Thank you. Our policy that clarifies it

4272
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:27,359
for me. Thank you.

4273
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:29,520
So Jesse, you're saying I I get what

4274
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:37,439
you're saying and I and I think where I got to with that I mean

4275
02:44:37,439 --> 02:44:41,680
if I'm sure none of you all read the

4276
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:44,560
email the previous time but it had a

4277
02:44:44,560 --> 02:44:47,359
very similar concept of that. It was

4278
02:44:47,359 --> 02:44:51,680
basically in the interim call it a but

4279
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:54,000
long-term plan it or we think that it's

4280
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:55,520
going to convert to. I think that has

4281
02:44:55,520 --> 02:44:57,520
some benefit. I think that if I am a

4282
02:44:57,520 --> 02:45:00,080
property owner next door to that APA,

4283
02:45:00,080 --> 02:45:01,600
I'd want to know what that future

4284
02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:03,680
potential is in that APA because I think

4285
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:06,319
that's that's important.

4286
02:45:06,319 --> 02:45:09,359
We though there are many properties and

4287
02:45:09,359 --> 02:45:11,920
Richard has one of them that will change

4288
02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:14,479
over time

4289
02:45:14,479 --> 02:45:16,960
for a variety of reasons potentially,

4290
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:18,880
right? How do we I mean we're not

4291
02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:21,120
hashing all of those, right? There's a

4292
02:45:21,120 --> 02:45:28,880
commercial spot. There is a there's a area around the Benjamin interchange

4293
02:45:28,880 --> 02:45:30,800
that we're going to make some general

4294
02:45:30,800 --> 02:45:33,439
plan assumptions around and six months

4295
02:45:33,439 --> 02:45:36,000
from now change those potentially,

4296
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:38,319
>> right? So, we're not hashing those out.

4297
02:45:38,319 --> 02:45:40,479
So, that's my only challenge with my

4298
02:45:40,479 --> 02:45:42,560
only problem with with the proposal. I

4299
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:43,920
like it.

4300
02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:45,520
>> Where does it end? I think that the

4301
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:48,080
exact same thing should apply if that's

4302
02:45:48,080 --> 02:45:50,000
the methodology you go to to the river

4303
02:45:50,000 --> 02:45:51,680
bottoms.

4304
02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:53,680
You can't tell me that they're preserved

4305
02:45:53,680 --> 02:45:56,560
forever. And if they do develop, they

4306
02:45:56,560 --> 02:45:57,680
will have an impact on our

4307
02:45:57,680 --> 02:45:59,520
infrastructure.

4308
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:02,560
So should we do that? Should we say that

4309
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:04,479
if it ever happens, which we never want

4310
02:46:04,479 --> 02:46:06,560
it to happen. I'm not, please don't

4311
02:46:06,560 --> 02:46:09,279
please community, don't suggest that I

4312
02:46:09,279 --> 02:46:12,000
want the river bottoms to develop, but

4313
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:17,520
if they did, they will have a impact to

4314
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:19,840
a sewer line that's going somewhere.

4315
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:22,560
Should we plan the same way or should we

4316
02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:24,479
call it what it is today and evaluate

4317
02:46:24,479 --> 02:46:26,479
the general plan as needed as we move

4318
02:46:26,479 --> 02:46:29,279
forward? It I like the idea. It's just

4319
02:46:29,279 --> 02:46:31,680
it's hard. It's tricky why we apply at

4320
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:32,880
one place and not another place.

4321
02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:34,160
>> So the only difference I would say is

4322
02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:37,040
that we have made a at least from my

4323
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:38,560
understanding of the past and what we've

4324
02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:41,200
talked about with riverb we we have made

4325
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:43,120
a decision that we're saying this is

4326
02:46:43,120 --> 02:46:45,040
what we see for future use in the river

4327
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:46,960
bottoms. We're not saying that in the

4328
02:46:46,960 --> 02:46:48,560
future we see it turning to this.

4329
02:46:48,560 --> 02:46:50,080
>> Right. Correct. So that would be the

4330
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:50,960
difference I would say.

4331
02:46:50,960 --> 02:46:54,479
>> Okay. So then if that's that's fair. If

4332
02:46:54,479 --> 02:46:58,080
you asked a property owner that wants to

4333
02:46:58,080 --> 02:46:59,920
continue to do agriculture, they would

4334
02:46:59,920 --> 02:47:02,080
say that that's their intent as well.

4335
02:47:02,080 --> 02:47:04,319
Knowing that there's always a potential

4336
02:47:04,319 --> 02:47:06,479
for change, right? But that's that would

4337
02:47:06,479 --> 02:47:08,880
be their intent to to farm forever,

4338
02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:10,080
>> right? But if we were to ask the same

4339
02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:11,359
property owners in the river bottoms,

4340
02:47:11,359 --> 02:47:13,279
their intent is not necessarily to farm

4341
02:47:13,279 --> 02:47:14,240
forever.

4342
02:47:14,240 --> 02:47:16,319
for half half her farm and half her I

4343
02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:17,439
want my

4344
02:47:17,439 --> 02:47:19,520
>> but when we general plan we're not

4345
02:47:19,520 --> 02:47:20,800
always saying hey this is what the

4346
02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:22,160
property owner is planning to do in the

4347
02:47:22,160 --> 02:47:23,600
future that's why I'm saying I'm trying

4348
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:25,359
to appease both sides right

4349
02:47:25,359 --> 02:47:27,520
>> trying to say hey we're identifying this

4350
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:28,880
but we're also planning for the future

4351
02:47:28,880 --> 02:47:30,160
because at some point that is going to

4352
02:47:30,160 --> 02:47:30,640
change

4353
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:32,080
>> I'm not trying to argue against your

4354
02:47:32,080 --> 02:47:33,520
idea because I think that it has some

4355
02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:37,040
merit and it solves some

4356
02:47:37,040 --> 02:47:40,960
immediate issues today but prepares us

4357
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:43,760
for the the long term

4358
02:47:43,760 --> 02:47:46,560
I think that it has some benefits.

4359
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:48,960
I'm just trying to reconcile it with the

4360
02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:50,720
rest of the plan because there are

4361
02:47:50,720 --> 02:47:53,359
places that

4362
02:47:53,359 --> 02:47:56,000
will and could and will change. We don't

4363
02:47:56,000 --> 02:47:58,080
hash those.

4364
02:47:58,080 --> 02:48:00,240
Is that not the point of an updated

4365
02:48:00,240 --> 02:48:03,200
general plan is to evaluate it at some

4366
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:05,439
future date and say what do information

4367
02:48:05,439 --> 02:48:08,000
do we have today?

4368
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:10,000
Are landowners making a different

4369
02:48:10,000 --> 02:48:12,560
decision wherever that might be? and do

4370
02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:14,800
we need to update it accordingly? The

4371
02:48:14,800 --> 02:48:16,640
map that's up there today is that's our

4372
02:48:16,640 --> 02:48:18,479
current plan and I think Mike said it

4373
02:48:18,479 --> 02:48:20,319
very well before. I don't always

4374
02:48:20,319 --> 02:48:22,240
disagree with him, but just sometimes.

4375
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:25,359
But he he made a great point that we

4376
02:48:25,359 --> 02:48:29,120
have learned a lot from this. We have

4377
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:31,120
developed in a very productive way and

4378
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:33,600
we've made changes from when this was

4379
02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:34,640
approved.

4380
02:48:34,640 --> 02:48:34,960
>> Sure.

4381
02:48:34,960 --> 02:48:37,120
>> Right. So it's it's an evolution. I

4382
02:48:37,120 --> 02:48:39,279
think Dave started this in the

4383
02:48:39,279 --> 02:48:41,359
paragraph. This is a this is a plan that

4384
02:48:41,359 --> 02:48:44,479
evolves over time. To me, that is that's

4385
02:48:44,479 --> 02:48:46,319
where I got to with this recommendation

4386
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:48,720
was it's going to be rehashed and

4387
02:48:48,720 --> 02:48:50,880
discussed

4388
02:48:50,880 --> 02:48:52,960
in the future. And if we want to put a

4389
02:48:52,960 --> 02:48:54,640
date on it, that might even let's let's

4390
02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:58,560
not wait 10 years and have some poor

4391
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:00,319
schmucks up here having this debate

4392
02:49:00,319 --> 02:49:02,240
again.

4393
02:49:02,240 --> 02:49:04,160
Let's let's pick an area and say, you

4394
02:49:04,160 --> 02:49:07,279
know what, that's evolving quicker.

4395
02:49:07,279 --> 02:49:09,840
Let's let's talk about it in five years.

4396
02:49:09,840 --> 02:49:12,640
Okay. So, Shane, you're you're

4397
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:15,920
item number two, APAs.

4398
02:49:15,920 --> 02:49:16,880
>> Only APA

4399
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:19,920
>> based on your discussion, your

4400
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:22,399
suggestion, and what's up on the map. I

4401
02:49:22,399 --> 02:49:24,319
know the colors behind it are different

4402
02:49:24,319 --> 02:49:27,200
than what we're proposing, but and Seth,

4403
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:30,000
maybe I can ask you or whoever's, is

4404
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:33,920
this an accurate updated APA map? It's

4405
02:49:33,920 --> 02:49:35,439
as

4406
02:49:35,439 --> 02:49:37,840
so what I've tried to show here and I

4407
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:39,840
wonder if this is perhaps what you're

4408
02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:42,240
saying Jesse

4409
02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:44,720
if you could what if we

4410
02:49:44,720 --> 02:49:45,439
>> pardon

4411
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:47,840
>> sorry sorry go

4412
02:49:47,840 --> 02:49:52,160
>> what if we take this view and add it

4413
02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:54,720
into the document as map next or map

4414
02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:55,840
before

4415
02:49:55,840 --> 02:49:56,240
>> correct

4416
02:49:56,240 --> 02:49:58,000
>> and so now it's not it's not a

4417
02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:00,080
crosshatch of a kind of a thing but this

4418
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:02,560
shows all of those APAs are in here

4419
02:50:02,560 --> 02:50:05,200
>> yes And on the document in the document,

4420
02:50:05,200 --> 02:50:08,000
I think it's page 12ish. That's if you

4421
02:50:08,000 --> 02:50:10,160
uh click general plan. Get that off for

4422
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:12,240
a second. That's the view. That's

4423
02:50:12,240 --> 02:50:13,680
pageish 12,

4424
02:50:13,680 --> 02:50:14,640
>> correct?

4425
02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:16,399
>> With some other lines and things. And

4426
02:50:16,399 --> 02:50:18,640
then turn that back on and go turn off

4427
02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:21,680
the APA. It's up. Yeah, we try to make

4428
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:26,080
them alphabetical actually. It's kind of funny. It's kind of funny. Um

4429
02:50:26,080 --> 02:50:29,279
that's it without. That's page 17. We

4430
02:50:29,279 --> 02:50:31,600
don't have Now. Turn that egg protection

4431
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:33,359
back on. Would that would that

4432
02:50:33,359 --> 02:50:35,359
accomplish what you're trying to say by

4433
02:50:35,359 --> 02:50:37,439
having that show through and say this is

4434
02:50:37,439 --> 02:50:39,680
where this is we want you to see it but

4435
02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:42,319
underneath it underneath it is what is

4436
02:50:42,319 --> 02:50:44,720
intended but now it's not a whole other

4437
02:50:44,720 --> 02:50:46,240
thing we're not separating things we're

4438
02:50:46,240 --> 02:50:47,040
just blending

4439
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:49,600
>> correct what we want you just pushed a

4440
02:50:49,600 --> 02:50:51,120
button

4441
02:50:51,120 --> 02:50:51,600
>> right

4442
02:50:51,600 --> 02:50:52,160
>> okay

4443
02:50:52,160 --> 02:50:52,960
>> it's layered

4444
02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:54,399
>> so that's so that's Jesse

4445
02:50:54,399 --> 02:50:55,520
>> the maps are already in there

4446
02:50:55,520 --> 02:50:57,840
>> that's Jesse's recommendation which

4447
02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:58,800
>> document

4448
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:02,080
>> makes sense going back to Seth or to

4449
02:51:02,080 --> 02:51:07,840
Shane then your recommendation is that if they've

4450
02:51:07,840 --> 02:51:09,920
told us they're they're in an APA

4451
02:51:09,920 --> 02:51:11,200
they've told us they're going to farm

4452
02:51:11,200 --> 02:51:14,000
forever let's just make it and designate

4453
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:17,359
it in the general plan as a that's your

4454
02:51:17,359 --> 02:51:18,080
recommendation

4455
02:51:18,080 --> 02:51:18,720
>> correct

4456
02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:21,279
>> okay can let me speak to that now the

4457
02:51:21,279 --> 02:51:23,520
reason why I don't

4458
02:51:23,520 --> 02:51:24,720
my thoughts on that and why

4459
02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:25,760
>> you could say you don't like it it's

4460
02:51:25,760 --> 02:51:26,399
totally fine

4461
02:51:26,399 --> 02:51:29,920
>> why I don't love it

4462
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:31,680
>> you like it but you don't love why I

4463
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:32,240
don't love it.

4464
02:51:32,240 --> 02:51:32,960
>> Okay, that's fair.

4465
02:51:32,960 --> 02:51:35,200
>> So, here are my here are my thoughts.

4466
02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:37,279
Slowly over time, you're going to get

4467
02:51:37,279 --> 02:51:38,880
one property owner here and there that

4468
02:51:38,880 --> 02:51:40,960
are going to say, "You know what? Pull

4469
02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:45,120
me out of the APA." Uh, and then do

4470
02:51:45,120 --> 02:51:47,359
whatever you got to do at that point. As

4471
02:51:47,359 --> 02:51:51,200
they do that, those pieces will slowly,

4472
02:51:51,200 --> 02:51:53,840
you know, start to change. One of the

4473
02:51:53,840 --> 02:51:55,600
things over the four years that we've

4474
02:51:55,600 --> 02:51:58,640
served together that you have been very

4475
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:00,560
adamant about, you know where I'm going

4476
02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:02,399
with this. I do. You know exactly where

4477
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:03,760
I'm going with this.

4478
02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:06,319
>> You have been very oneoffs

4479
02:52:06,319 --> 02:52:09,120
>> is that you hate when the city

4480
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:10,960
>> Have you gone back and reviewed all of

4481
02:52:10,960 --> 02:52:11,760
this?

4482
02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:14,080
>> Well done. Very well done. Is that not

4483
02:52:14,080 --> 02:52:14,240
true?

4484
02:52:14,240 --> 02:52:15,680
>> That is very true.

4485
02:52:15,680 --> 02:52:16,319
>> Yes.

4486
02:52:16,319 --> 02:52:19,680
>> You are setting future councils up for a

4487
02:52:19,680 --> 02:52:23,279
million. Maybe not a million, but so

4488
02:52:23,279 --> 02:52:25,359
many oneoffs

4489
02:52:25,359 --> 02:52:28,880
>> by doing exactly what you're suggesting.

4490
02:52:28,880 --> 02:52:32,560
>> Dang it. That's You're correct.

4491
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:33,359
>> Dang it.

4492
02:52:33,359 --> 02:52:35,279
>> You drop his middle name. His middle

4493
02:52:35,279 --> 02:52:37,439
name is a oneoff.

4494
02:52:37,439 --> 02:52:40,319
>> It has been negative oneoff. That is for

4495
02:52:40,319 --> 02:52:40,960
sure.

4496
02:52:40,960 --> 02:52:47,030
>> So that's why I don't love it.

4497
02:52:47,040 --> 02:52:48,160
» That's fair. That's that's it's that's

4498
02:52:48,160 --> 02:52:50,960
it's a valid I I think wherever you got

4499
02:52:50,960 --> 02:52:54,160
that information from is solid argument

4500
02:52:54,160 --> 02:52:56,800
>> where everyone

4501
02:52:56,800 --> 02:52:59,680
>> whoever said that to you is a is a

4502
02:52:59,680 --> 02:53:02,399
genius. No, that is that is very

4503
02:53:02,399 --> 02:53:03,920
consistent with how I've been in the

4504
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:07,279
past for sure. Um

4505
02:53:07,279 --> 02:53:10,880
I I the reason that I am hyperfocused on

4506
02:53:10,880 --> 02:53:15,279
APAs um is because it limits

4507
02:53:15,279 --> 02:53:21,760
the conversation, limits the area very specifically. Um I think there is a

4508
02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:23,680
general sentiment and we heard it from I

4509
02:53:23,680 --> 02:53:25,680
think more than one person. I think Lisa

4510
02:53:25,680 --> 02:53:29,200
said this to change the whole area to

4511
02:53:29,200 --> 02:53:33,040
some other land use designation.

4512
02:53:33,040 --> 02:53:35,439
And I don't know if that's right or

4513
02:53:35,439 --> 02:53:37,040
wrong. That's what we heard, right? And

4514
02:53:37,040 --> 02:53:40,240
so if we

4515
02:53:40,240 --> 02:53:43,040
the the reason I can probably wrestle

4516
02:53:43,040 --> 02:53:44,640
myself

4517
02:53:44,640 --> 02:53:46,399
away from the one-off is because it's

4518
02:53:46,399 --> 02:53:49,040
very deliberate and specific to

4519
02:53:49,040 --> 02:53:51,439
a process that a landowner went through

4520
02:53:51,439 --> 02:53:53,359
to say, I want to continue farm and this

4521
02:53:53,359 --> 02:53:56,640
is the way I want to do it. But

4522
02:53:56,640 --> 02:53:56,880
>> so,

4523
02:53:56,880 --> 02:53:58,080
>> but I don't think those I don't think

4524
02:53:58,080 --> 02:54:02,240
those land owners that are in the APA um

4525
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:05,439
expressly uh if the feeling I'm getting

4526
02:54:05,439 --> 02:54:08,080
from them is not our not as much

4527
02:54:08,080 --> 02:54:09,680
acknowledgement that they need from us

4528
02:54:09,680 --> 02:54:11,760
to do what they do. They think they went

4529
02:54:11,760 --> 02:54:15,680
to APA. A lot of them well for some some

4530
02:54:15,680 --> 02:54:17,040
they knew that something would happen

4531
02:54:17,040 --> 02:54:18,800
around them and they said I want an

4532
02:54:18,800 --> 02:54:20,479
additional protection for what happens

4533
02:54:20,479 --> 02:54:22,800
around me. They know

4534
02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:25,040
>> uh these guys are going to sell and I'm

4535
02:54:25,040 --> 02:54:26,240
not going to buy it. Somebody else is

4536
02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:28,080
going to buy it. And I'm okay with that

4537
02:54:28,080 --> 02:54:28,800
happening because

4538
02:54:28,800 --> 02:54:30,479
>> absolutely that's why I want to

4539
02:54:30,479 --> 02:54:32,880
>> that does more for me when I decide to

4540
02:54:32,880 --> 02:54:34,560
do more for me. I mean that's physic

4541
02:54:34,560 --> 02:54:36,479
that's the literal words that have been

4542
02:54:36,479 --> 02:54:38,399
said to me and those people are in an

4543
02:54:38,399 --> 02:54:42,000
APA. So to to give much more of

4544
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:45,279
acknowledgement on top of the APA

4545
02:54:45,279 --> 02:54:48,080
besides showing it on our maps like they

4546
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:49,600
are

4547
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:52,399
um feels like

4548
02:54:52,399 --> 02:54:54,800
okay let's let's tell you what you got

4549
02:54:54,800 --> 02:54:57,279
and I know what I got. I'm a farmer and

4550
02:54:57,279 --> 02:55:00,080
you really can't stop me from farming or

4551
02:55:00,080 --> 02:55:03,439
getting my water or doing anything

4552
02:55:03,439 --> 02:55:07,279
>> that that that I want to do um because I

4553
02:55:07,279 --> 02:55:10,160
have these rights. And so it it it feels

4554
02:55:10,160 --> 02:55:13,040
just like

4555
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:15,279
acknowledging what's already facts and

4556
02:55:15,279 --> 02:55:17,200
already law and already, you know,

4557
02:55:17,200 --> 02:55:20,080
already what the late work they've done.

4558
02:55:20,080 --> 02:55:23,439
>> So I I really like what Jesse's thought

4559
02:55:23,439 --> 02:55:24,240
of here with

4560
02:55:24,240 --> 02:55:25,040
>> You love his.

4561
02:55:25,040 --> 02:55:27,359
>> I love his. Sorry, Shane. But I do I

4562
02:55:27,359 --> 02:55:29,359
love I love his

4563
02:55:29,359 --> 02:55:31,359
>> yours.

4564
02:55:31,359 --> 02:55:34,880
>> But so I think we're just missing one

4565
02:55:34,880 --> 02:55:37,279
more in my opinion. We're just missing

4566
02:55:37,279 --> 02:55:38,880
one more thing with this and that's what

4567
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:40,960
the city's all already suggested with

4568
02:55:40,960 --> 02:55:44,800
the growth boundary and anything. So, we

4569
02:55:44,800 --> 02:55:46,720
overlay it like we've got it here, but

4570
02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:49,040
then we also add in the additional

4571
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:51,520
growth boundary where if you're an APA

4572
02:55:51,520 --> 02:55:54,240
and you're not in the city, you are

4573
02:55:54,240 --> 02:55:56,399
removed from our growth boundary, which

4574
02:55:56,399 --> 02:55:58,160
it sounds like I think that's what we've

4575
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:00,880
already already discussed and come up

4576
02:56:00,880 --> 02:56:07,600
with. outside of that. I mean, that's basically telling the world this

4577
02:56:07,600 --> 02:56:09,840
is an APA. You can see it on the map.

4578
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:11,760
It's not in our growth boundary, so

4579
02:56:11,760 --> 02:56:14,319
we're not going to service it. And so,

4580
02:56:14,319 --> 02:56:17,040
until that changes, leave the property

4581
02:56:17,040 --> 02:56:19,439
owners alone because they've in they

4582
02:56:19,439 --> 02:56:20,960
have their intention to do what they're

4583
02:56:20,960 --> 02:56:23,680
doing today. And the city has zero

4584
02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:26,720
intention of bringing it into Spanish

4585
02:56:26,720 --> 02:56:29,680
Fort. I don't know if we add anything to

4586
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:32,960
our annexation policy that includes this

4587
02:56:32,960 --> 02:56:35,680
and says if it's within

4588
02:56:35,680 --> 02:56:37,840
if it's not in the and maybe we already

4589
02:56:37,840 --> 02:56:39,840
do. Maybe it already says if it's not in

4590
02:56:39,840 --> 02:56:42,240
the growth boundary that we don't annex

4591
02:56:42,240 --> 02:56:46,790
it. Bon, do you know off hand?

4592
02:56:46,800 --> 02:56:49,120
» The policy says today as it's written in

4593
02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:53,520
the general plan document that you're reviewing it, it would tell

4594
02:56:53,520 --> 02:56:56,000
us if it's in APA. I don't know if I'm

4595
02:56:56,000 --> 02:56:57,439
answering your question. So keep me on

4596
02:56:57,439 --> 02:56:59,840
track. If it's an APA, you shouldn't

4597
02:56:59,840 --> 02:57:01,520
generally consider to annex it.

4598
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:03,359
>> But the grow not necessarily the APA,

4599
02:57:03,359 --> 02:57:05,600
but the grow growth boundary policy.

4600
02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:08,080
When we annex, are we also adjusting at

4601
02:57:08,080 --> 02:57:10,319
that same time the growth boundary?

4602
02:57:10,319 --> 02:57:12,560
>> You shouldn't annex

4603
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:14,960
>> if we're not if outside of the growth

4604
02:57:14,960 --> 02:57:15,439
boundary

4605
02:57:15,439 --> 02:57:16,720
>> boundary, right? And so,

4606
02:57:16,720 --> 02:57:18,319
>> and if you're going to annex outside of

4607
02:57:18,319 --> 02:57:19,840
the policy boundary, then that's the

4608
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:21,840
process that you went through with.

4609
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:24,720
>> But as far as the growth boundary, if

4610
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:27,200
we're saying if you're in an APA, you're

4611
02:57:27,200 --> 02:57:29,840
not in that growth boundary, then we

4612
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:32,000
wouldn't even be considering annexing

4613
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:32,479
them.

4614
02:57:32,479 --> 02:57:32,960
>> Correct.

4615
02:57:32,960 --> 02:57:34,160
>> Because of those

4616
02:57:34,160 --> 02:57:35,840
>> I mean, you can nothing nothing in this

4617
02:57:35,840 --> 02:57:38,080
document binds your hands. It gives you

4618
02:57:38,080 --> 02:57:40,240
guides, but the guide the guidance that

4619
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:42,319
you that this document says is if it's

4620
02:57:42,319 --> 02:57:44,960
in APA, generally you shouldn't consider

4621
02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:46,479
it because they aren't looking for

4622
02:57:46,479 --> 02:57:57,429
municipal services.

4623
02:57:57,439 --> 02:57:59,359
boundary. Your growth boundary is a

4624
02:57:59,359 --> 02:58:01,680
guiding principle. Same with your

4625
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:04,720
general plan, but you were required to

4626
02:58:04,720 --> 02:58:07,359
have it within your annexation policy

4627
02:58:07,359 --> 02:58:13,830
plan to annex it.

4628
02:58:13,840 --> 02:58:15,760
» Then obviously

4629
02:58:15,760 --> 02:58:20,389
we just approved

4630
02:58:20,399 --> 02:58:22,080
one tonight that took a process that

4631
02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:24,240
wasn't inside of it, right? We started

4632
02:58:24,240 --> 02:58:28,800
with amending the growth policy and

4633
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:29,200
>> correct

4634
02:58:29,200 --> 02:58:31,439
>> they kept asking you know annexation and

4635
02:58:31,439 --> 02:58:33,439
now we finalized an annexation

4636
02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:36,720
agreement. So seeing Kevin to you to my

4637
02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:38,720
one of the reasons why I was saying

4638
02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:40,000
putting the maps together because I

4639
02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:42,399
don't I personally don't know that we

4640
02:58:42,399 --> 02:58:46,160
need that growth boundary protection at

4641
02:58:46,160 --> 02:58:47,840
that point because I feel like this

4642
02:58:47,840 --> 02:58:50,240
fulfills what we've been trying to in my

4643
02:58:50,240 --> 02:58:52,800
what I've been seeing as us trying to do

4644
02:58:52,800 --> 02:58:54,560
is sending a clear message that this is

4645
02:58:54,560 --> 02:58:57,920
an APA. We recognize it. It's there.

4646
02:58:57,920 --> 02:59:00,319
It does. The the only other option would

4647
02:59:00,319 --> 02:59:02,800
be is that it gives city staff more of a

4648
02:59:02,800 --> 02:59:04,080
tool to say don't go talk to those

4649
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:06,000
property owners when somebody comes in.

4650
02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:07,120
>> That would be the only thing that it

4651
02:59:07,120 --> 02:59:07,680
adds.

4652
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:07,920
>> Yeah.

4653
02:59:07,920 --> 02:59:10,080
>> That I don't think that this

4654
02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:12,000
>> we Yeah. And I I agree that does the

4655
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:13,840
purpose. I think just the growth

4656
02:59:13,840 --> 02:59:16,960
boundary part of that is a

4657
02:59:16,960 --> 02:59:18,319
>> it reinforces this.

4658
02:59:18,319 --> 02:59:19,920
>> Sure. Yeah. I just don't I just don't

4659
02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:22,080
know that it's necessary anymore. But I

4660
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:23,680
think that it could I could see the

4661
02:59:23,680 --> 02:59:26,000
reason why we'd want to do it still. But

4662
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:27,520
I don't know that it's necessary at that

4663
02:59:27,520 --> 02:59:32,790
point.

4664
02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:35,120
» Okay,

4665
02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:38,319
maybe staff can answer me this. So

4666
02:59:38,319 --> 02:59:42,399
are there decisions that we make

4667
02:59:42,399 --> 02:59:45,120
based on the land use designation and

4668
02:59:45,120 --> 02:59:49,359
the general plan as we as we move

4669
02:59:49,359 --> 02:59:53,760
forward over time? So, I'm I I don't

4670
02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:56,560
love Jesse's recommendation,

4671
02:59:56,560 --> 02:59:58,640
but I don't

4672
02:59:58,640 --> 03:00:01,920
hate it. No, just kidding.

4673
03:00:01,920 --> 03:00:04,080
I This is This is what we should be

4674
03:00:04,080 --> 03:00:05,760
doing, everybody. I think this is good

4675
03:00:05,760 --> 03:00:08,160
for us. I I like this. I'm going to

4676
03:00:08,160 --> 03:00:12,560
lose. I get it. Um that's typical. It's

4677
03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:16,720
fine. Um what I'm wondering is if would

4678
03:00:16,720 --> 03:00:18,960
we make a different decision? So I I

4679
03:00:18,960 --> 03:00:21,439
let's let's say Jesse's

4680
03:00:21,439 --> 03:00:23,680
he makes a motion and it moves forward.

4681
03:00:23,680 --> 03:00:26,160
In the interim it shows on a map as an

4682
03:00:26,160 --> 03:00:28,800
APA. We're going to treat it like it's

4683
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:31,520
agg. Can we say that? Can we say that in

4684
03:00:31,520 --> 03:00:33,279
the interim

4685
03:00:33,279 --> 03:00:34,960
between now and some future state that

4686
03:00:34,960 --> 03:00:36,880
the landowner wants to to do something

4687
03:00:36,880 --> 03:00:39,439
different? We're going to treat it as a

4688
03:00:39,439 --> 03:00:41,200
>> I like that because I think there's a

4689
03:00:41,200 --> 03:00:42,479
concern where when you're putting

4690
03:00:42,479 --> 03:00:44,720
together a plan, you're saying at

4691
03:00:44,720 --> 03:00:46,399
buildout, this is what we're going to

4692
03:00:46,399 --> 03:00:49,359
have. Well, what if this piece that

4693
03:00:49,359 --> 03:00:51,439
we've designated as highdensity

4694
03:00:51,439 --> 03:00:53,359
residential,

4695
03:00:53,359 --> 03:00:56,240
>> which is in an APA today, never actually

4696
03:00:56,240 --> 03:00:59,520
becomes highdensity residential. How do

4697
03:00:59,520 --> 03:01:01,840
we then plan, you know, the future

4698
03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:04,240
accordingly with

4699
03:01:04,240 --> 03:01:06,080
where we've designated it something that

4700
03:01:06,080 --> 03:01:08,080
will never come to pass?

4701
03:01:08,080 --> 03:01:10,960
>> Is that now taking up that allocation

4702
03:01:10,960 --> 03:01:13,279
for, you know, removing it from some

4703
03:01:13,279 --> 03:01:14,800
other place in the city? because we've

4704
03:01:14,800 --> 03:01:17,120
said right here it's going to be this

4705
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:19,359
when it may never be. Is Is that kind of

4706
03:01:19,359 --> 03:01:19,680
your

4707
03:01:19,680 --> 03:01:21,040
>> That's kind of my Yeah, that's my

4708
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:22,960
concern. And and I think additionally to

4709
03:01:22,960 --> 03:01:28,000
that, um the property next to this APA

4710
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:30,319
that we're going to, you know, treat

4711
03:01:30,319 --> 03:01:33,359
like a is it

4712
03:01:33,359 --> 03:01:34,960
would we make a different land use

4713
03:01:34,960 --> 03:01:39,680
decision on that property knowing that a is going to be there forever? Is

4714
03:01:39,680 --> 03:01:42,960
it to Lisa Olsson's point lower density

4715
03:01:42,960 --> 03:01:44,640
and then it increases density as you

4716
03:01:44,640 --> 03:01:46,160
move away from the farm?

4717
03:01:46,160 --> 03:01:47,680
>> There there's where it comes in my

4718
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:48,960
question. I think we need to be

4719
03:01:48,960 --> 03:01:52,960
cleareyed and and clear voiced.

4720
03:01:52,960 --> 03:01:56,800
If that's our intention, you are making

4721
03:01:56,800 --> 03:01:59,920
some substantial

4722
03:01:59,920 --> 03:02:03,840
uh decisions to people that aren't in

4723
03:02:03,840 --> 03:02:04,319
farming.

4724
03:02:04,319 --> 03:02:06,000
>> For sure. Absolutely. And and you're

4725
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:08,080
making it you're making that case

4726
03:02:08,080 --> 03:02:10,240
because you're saying, "Well, there's a

4727
03:02:10,240 --> 03:02:11,680
farm next to you that wants to be a farm

4728
03:02:11,680 --> 03:02:13,279
forever."

4729
03:02:13,279 --> 03:02:15,920
Well, we can drive up and down the state

4730
03:02:15,920 --> 03:02:19,359
and see commercial buildings and

4731
03:02:19,359 --> 03:02:21,920
restaurants and grocery stores right

4732
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:23,279
next to active farming.

4733
03:02:23,279 --> 03:02:23,920
>> Absolutely.

4734
03:02:23,920 --> 03:02:25,439
>> All over.

4735
03:02:25,439 --> 03:02:28,240
And I think if we made that decision, if

4736
03:02:28,240 --> 03:02:29,920
we made decisions like that in our

4737
03:02:29,920 --> 03:02:32,319
current general plan on a consistent

4738
03:02:32,319 --> 03:02:34,319
basis,

4739
03:02:34,319 --> 03:02:37,520
that number we just touted of what we

4740
03:02:37,520 --> 03:02:40,240
get to use to build rec centers and fund

4741
03:02:40,240 --> 03:02:43,359
cops and everything else is a third of

4742
03:02:43,359 --> 03:02:44,560
it.

4743
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:46,319
>> For sure. Yep. I agree with you, Mike.

4744
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:50,399
Um, we do that in the river bottoms.

4745
03:02:50,399 --> 03:02:52,800
We say because of your general plan,

4746
03:02:52,800 --> 03:02:56,399
landowner, you're not going to develop.

4747
03:02:56,399 --> 03:02:56,720
>> Sure.

4748
03:02:56,720 --> 03:02:58,479
>> So the property taxes in the river

4749
03:02:58,479 --> 03:02:59,439
bottoms are gone.

4750
03:02:59,439 --> 03:02:59,840
>> Sure.

4751
03:02:59,840 --> 03:03:01,920
>> We do that all the time. I'm not arguing

4752
03:03:01,920 --> 03:03:03,439
that it's the right thing and and I

4753
03:03:03,439 --> 03:03:05,520
think that it's very tricky down here

4754
03:03:05,520 --> 03:03:08,960
because there is at least like if you

4755
03:03:08,960 --> 03:03:11,920
looked out there

4756
03:03:11,920 --> 03:03:14,800
100 years, you could see potentially

4757
03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:16,880
Leland developing and not the river

4758
03:03:16,880 --> 03:03:18,800
bottoms. I totally understand that part.

4759
03:03:18,800 --> 03:03:20,960
And so I think it's easier to say in

4760
03:03:20,960 --> 03:03:24,560
that area that we're making decisions

4761
03:03:24,560 --> 03:03:27,200
that affect

4762
03:03:27,200 --> 03:03:29,920
property owners bottom line because it's

4763
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:31,920
lower density growing to higher density

4764
03:03:31,920 --> 03:03:33,600
or whatever. I totally understand that.

4765
03:03:33,600 --> 03:03:35,120
is the challenge of

4766
03:03:35,120 --> 03:03:36,560
>> and those two the general plan

4767
03:03:36,560 --> 03:03:40,000
>> those two maybe apples and

4768
03:03:40,000 --> 03:03:43,040
oranges or or apples and what's close to

4769
03:03:43,040 --> 03:03:44,640
an apple. I don't know.

4770
03:03:44,640 --> 03:03:46,880
>> It's it's not a direct correlation.

4771
03:03:46,880 --> 03:03:48,560
There's farm ground and there's farm

4772
03:03:48,560 --> 03:03:51,120
ground and then there's a freeway and

4773
03:03:51,120 --> 03:03:54,240
there's not a freeway and and then

4774
03:03:54,240 --> 03:03:55,279
there's

4775
03:03:55,279 --> 03:03:57,760
>> Yeah. Then then there's services and a

4776
03:03:57,760 --> 03:04:00,000
flood plane, you know, and then there's

4777
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:01,920
utilities and no utilities.

4778
03:04:01,920 --> 03:04:02,720
>> Sure.

4779
03:04:02,720 --> 03:04:04,319
>> And so so

4780
03:04:04,319 --> 03:04:05,760
>> the chances of

4781
03:04:05,760 --> 03:04:08,000
>> Yes, I'm with you. Geographically, I

4782
03:04:08,000 --> 03:04:10,479
would hate to say I mean south of

4783
03:04:10,479 --> 03:04:14,080
Arrowhead Lane in Leland

4784
03:04:14,080 --> 03:04:17,279
is Salem and the property owners there.

4785
03:04:17,279 --> 03:04:18,399
are some of the same property

4786
03:04:18,399 --> 03:04:20,160
owners on the north side and on the west

4787
03:04:20,160 --> 03:04:22,640
side. A lot of the same names.

4788
03:04:22,640 --> 03:04:25,120
>> And that ground is

4789
03:04:25,120 --> 03:04:29,760
graded and ready and saying come one,

4790
03:04:29,760 --> 03:04:30,640
>> come all for sure.

4791
03:04:30,640 --> 03:04:32,399
>> That is not next to the river bottoms.

4792
03:04:32,399 --> 03:04:32,880
>> Nope.

4793
03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:34,479
>> Anywhere. And it's not going to be there

4794
03:04:34,479 --> 03:04:36,960
for a long long time. You have so many

4795
03:04:36,960 --> 03:04:38,319
people that have to get together and

4796
03:04:38,319 --> 03:04:40,399
say, "Here's how much we're going to put

4797
03:04:40,399 --> 03:04:42,640
up to get these roads, sewer, water,

4798
03:04:42,640 --> 03:04:44,319
power, and everything through here." And

4799
03:04:44,319 --> 03:04:47,359
it's such a huge lift where

4800
03:04:47,359 --> 03:04:48,720
some of that stuff's already out there

4801
03:04:48,720 --> 03:04:49,439
for everybody out there.

4802
03:04:49,439 --> 03:04:51,200
>> If we if we general plan the river

4803
03:04:51,200 --> 03:04:54,800
bottoms lots, all of that would happen

4804
03:04:54,800 --> 03:04:55,439
>> 100%

4805
03:04:55,439 --> 03:04:55,920
>> tomorrow.

4806
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:59,520
>> 100%. And no one's that no one is asking

4807
03:04:59,520 --> 03:05:01,200
for it.

4808
03:05:01,200 --> 03:05:03,680
>> Yes and no. I disagree that no one's

4809
03:05:03,680 --> 03:05:04,240
asking it.

4810
03:05:04,240 --> 03:05:05,760
>> Yes. One property owner.

4811
03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:07,359
>> I think there I think there are other

4812
03:05:07,359 --> 03:05:09,359
additional factors besides general

4813
03:05:09,359 --> 03:05:11,200
planning with the river bottoms that

4814
03:05:11,200 --> 03:05:12,960
leaves.

4815
03:05:12,960 --> 03:05:14,800
The fact that it's located where it is

4816
03:05:14,800 --> 03:05:16,800
and historically the flood plane and

4817
03:05:16,800 --> 03:05:18,399
everything else.

4818
03:05:18,399 --> 03:05:21,040
>> There's there's more than just

4819
03:05:21,040 --> 03:05:22,560
>> general planning and coordinated.

4820
03:05:22,560 --> 03:05:25,359
>> I get you. And I'm not again public not

4821
03:05:25,359 --> 03:05:27,439
arguing to fill up the river bottom

4822
03:05:27,439 --> 03:05:30,960
homes. I'm not I'm saying that we make

4823
03:05:30,960 --> 03:05:33,120
those type of decisions in a general

4824
03:05:33,120 --> 03:05:34,479
plan all the time.

4825
03:05:34,479 --> 03:05:35,359
>> We do.

4826
03:05:35,359 --> 03:05:38,399
>> We say we generally want this type of

4827
03:05:38,399 --> 03:05:40,160
views here, here, here, and here.

4828
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:40,640
>> Yeah.

4829
03:05:40,640 --> 03:05:43,760
>> And it it changes the way the city

4830
03:05:43,760 --> 03:05:45,520
develops. It changes the property values

4831
03:05:45,520 --> 03:05:47,920
at times. It changes a bunch of things.

4832
03:05:47,920 --> 03:05:50,160
>> Yeah. You you based on one,

4833
03:05:50,160 --> 03:05:51,200
>> you do it all the time.

4834
03:05:51,200 --> 03:05:53,040
>> One general plan or one zone change. You

4835
03:05:53,040 --> 03:05:54,720
could make one pro because we had this

4836
03:05:54,720 --> 03:05:58,080
issue on South Lane in town where you

4837
03:05:58,080 --> 03:05:59,760
had a property owner on the north side

4838
03:05:59,760 --> 03:06:01,760
of the road that was able to develop

4839
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:04,160
made lots of money. Property owner on

4840
03:06:04,160 --> 03:06:05,920
the south side which is in the county

4841
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:08,800
not in Spanish Fork wanted to develop

4842
03:06:08,800 --> 03:06:11,439
but for whatever reason you know the

4843
03:06:11,439 --> 03:06:13,520
city didn't move in that direction. They

4844
03:06:13,520 --> 03:06:15,279
sold their house. They did not make a

4845
03:06:15,279 --> 03:06:17,439
lot of money. I'm sure they made money

4846
03:06:17,439 --> 03:06:19,040
but probably not as much as the property

4847
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:20,080
on the north.

4848
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:22,800
>> That happens all the time. I remember on

4849
03:06:22,800 --> 03:06:25,760
planning commission with John Mendenhal

4850
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:29,200
him often saying to property owners that

4851
03:06:29,200 --> 03:06:30,560
>> now he's quoting you

4852
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:33,040
>> man if my house hadn't if my house or

4853
03:06:33,040 --> 03:06:35,359
property hadn't been in Palmyra but had

4854
03:06:35,359 --> 03:06:37,920
been closer to this or that I would have

4855
03:06:37,920 --> 03:06:40,080
gotten a lot more for it

4856
03:06:40,080 --> 03:06:40,479
>> but

4857
03:06:40,479 --> 03:06:41,279
>> location matter

4858
03:06:41,279 --> 03:06:44,720
>> um location absolutely matters for sure.

4859
03:06:44,720 --> 03:06:45,040
>> Yeah.

4860
03:06:45,040 --> 03:06:48,560
And we don't and and I think I mean I think our all of our

4861
03:06:48,560 --> 03:06:51,359
documents and and this updated document

4862
03:06:51,359 --> 03:06:54,399
should still reflect no farm is long as

4863
03:06:54,399 --> 03:06:55,760
you own a farm we don't think you need a

4864
03:06:55,760 --> 03:06:58,000
lot of permission from us to do that.

4865
03:06:58,000 --> 03:07:01,359
Let's let's make marks on on a map if if

4866
03:07:01,359 --> 03:07:03,760
that's if that's what you want in some

4867
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:09,840
way. But it would be a u uh a disservice

4868
03:07:09,840 --> 03:07:13,279
to our general plan, I think, to say on

4869
03:07:13,279 --> 03:07:15,600
an exit, we're not planning for

4870
03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:18,080
something else going there.

4871
03:07:18,080 --> 03:07:19,680
>> Um

4872
03:07:19,680 --> 03:07:20,800
is not on the exit. By the way,

4873
03:07:20,800 --> 03:07:26,000
>> I'll be honest with you, Shane. I think APAs

4874
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:28,960
to be honest have been overused in our

4875
03:07:28,960 --> 03:07:31,439
county in the sense that

4876
03:07:31,439 --> 03:07:35,600
in my mind a is 40,000 acres up in box

4877
03:07:35,600 --> 03:07:37,120
elder

4878
03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:38,160
or

4879
03:07:38,160 --> 03:07:39,520
>> data center on top of that

4880
03:07:39,520 --> 03:07:43,359
>> an actual an actual

4881
03:07:43,359 --> 03:07:47,760
>> fullon a production where you're you're

4882
03:07:47,760 --> 03:07:49,439
>> you know if you're growing hay to sell

4883
03:07:49,439 --> 03:07:52,000
to your neighbors you're farming But I

4884
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:53,840
don't know that I would consider that a

4885
03:07:53,840 --> 03:07:57,040
and why that gets protected.

4886
03:07:57,040 --> 03:07:58,720
People smarter than me know and

4887
03:07:58,720 --> 03:08:00,880
understand that. But in my opinion, I

4888
03:08:00,880 --> 03:08:04,000
just feel like APA like a protection and

4889
03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:08,720
what people consider a is maybe not what

4890
03:08:08,720 --> 03:08:12,240
those were intended for.

4891
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:14,000
Gotcha.

4892
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:16,319
We can

4893
03:08:16,319 --> 03:08:20,160
It sounds like Jesse has a solid plan.

4894
03:08:20,160 --> 03:08:21,600
Jess, you want to make a motion and move

4895
03:08:21,600 --> 03:08:23,680
this thing forward?

4896
03:08:23,680 --> 03:08:24,720
>> Well, are we

4897
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:26,080
>> You would be a motion direct staff

4898
03:08:26,080 --> 03:08:28,160
because I don't You'd probably want to

4899
03:08:28,160 --> 03:08:29,040
see some text.

4900
03:08:29,040 --> 03:08:30,479
>> Yeah, I'd like to see it changed and

4901
03:08:30,479 --> 03:08:32,399
then I think I I would be ready to vote

4902
03:08:32,399 --> 03:08:34,080
after that. We see

4903
03:08:34,080 --> 03:08:37,840
>> I think this is my perspective. We

4904
03:08:37,840 --> 03:08:39,520
I've made a bunch of comments to Dave

4905
03:08:39,520 --> 03:08:42,640
and Dave and and Seth. Some of them get

4906
03:08:42,640 --> 03:08:44,720
implemented, some of them don't for good

4907
03:08:44,720 --> 03:08:46,319
reasons. I'm not complaining to you

4908
03:08:46,319 --> 03:08:49,279
guys. Problem the challenges. Some of

4909
03:08:49,279 --> 03:08:50,800
them have been implemented though,

4910
03:08:50,800 --> 03:08:52,319
right? Through this process.

4911
03:08:52,319 --> 03:08:53,279
>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah,

4912
03:08:53,279 --> 03:08:54,800
>> I checked one off just today because

4913
03:08:54,800 --> 03:08:58,240
Dave went over some language that I we

4914
03:08:58,240 --> 03:09:00,960
were very clear on a stationary plan was

4915
03:09:00,960 --> 03:09:03,520
proposed and page 18 does a really good

4916
03:09:03,520 --> 03:09:05,279
job of putting the clarifies around

4917
03:09:05,279 --> 03:09:07,120
clarifiers around it, but then we made

4918
03:09:07,120 --> 03:09:08,880
it more permanent as we move the

4919
03:09:08,880 --> 03:09:10,240
document. And he pulled up the thing and

4920
03:09:10,240 --> 03:09:11,840
said, "Hey, we're going to change it."

4921
03:09:11,840 --> 03:09:13,200
Absolutely, they've made changes. Don't

4922
03:09:13,200 --> 03:09:15,120
get me wrong. Part of their challenge

4923
03:09:15,120 --> 03:09:18,240
though is I'm one vote and what do they

4924
03:09:18,240 --> 03:09:20,479
change based on my one vote? So what I

4925
03:09:20,479 --> 03:09:23,120
would love to hear is Jesse, you say

4926
03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:24,720
this is the direction I want to go.

4927
03:09:24,720 --> 03:09:26,880
Whether we vote or not, you get buy in

4928
03:09:26,880 --> 03:09:30,000
from three of five

4929
03:09:30,000 --> 03:09:32,399
and they go make some changes.

4930
03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:34,000
Otherwise, it's your idea and then it's

4931
03:09:34,000 --> 03:09:36,000
Kevin's idea and then it's my idea. Like

4932
03:09:36,000 --> 03:09:38,160
we got to give them some good solid

4933
03:09:38,160 --> 03:09:40,800
direction from the majority of the

4934
03:09:40,800 --> 03:09:41,760
people sitting up here.

4935
03:09:41,760 --> 03:09:43,680
>> How hard is it? I I mean again I think

4936
03:09:43,680 --> 03:09:47,040
you're talking about hash marks on

4937
03:09:47,040 --> 03:09:48,399
>> are you are you talking about hash marks

4938
03:09:48,399 --> 03:09:50,240
on a lot of property down there

4939
03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:52,880
>> well it's whatever the APA button was

4940
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:54,319
right

4941
03:09:54,319 --> 03:09:56,479
>> you turn that back on

4942
03:09:56,479 --> 03:09:57,520
>> it seems like it's

4943
03:09:57,520 --> 03:09:58,240
>> you know I mean

4944
03:09:58,240 --> 03:10:00,560
>> and I don't know how you

4945
03:10:00,560 --> 03:10:02,399
to be honest like I think it's going to

4946
03:10:02,399 --> 03:10:03,920
be a little bit more work than us

4947
03:10:03,920 --> 03:10:06,640
pushing the button oh to make it

4948
03:10:06,640 --> 03:10:08,319
whatever the color works because we've

4949
03:10:08,319 --> 03:10:10,479
got to be able to see both still right

4950
03:10:10,479 --> 03:10:11,760
>> so I think that there is a little bit

4951
03:10:11,760 --> 03:10:14,240
more work there than just hey it's going

4952
03:10:14,240 --> 03:10:15,359
to happen. I think there's going to be a

4953
03:10:15,359 --> 03:10:15,680
little

4954
03:10:15,680 --> 03:10:17,279
>> some text of why it's there. Why is

4955
03:10:17,279 --> 03:10:18,160
there this hash

4956
03:10:18,160 --> 03:10:19,600
>> which I think if you're going to do the

4957
03:10:19,600 --> 03:10:21,680
text you're going to explain it you're

4958
03:10:21,680 --> 03:10:23,279
going to explain it to that many

4959
03:10:23,279 --> 03:10:26,399
property owners in those in those APA

4960
03:10:26,399 --> 03:10:29,120
areas that hey it's not green now it's

4961
03:10:29,120 --> 03:10:31,279
kind of green with some crosses in it.

4962
03:10:31,279 --> 03:10:33,359
>> It wasn't green before.

4963
03:10:33,359 --> 03:10:35,279
>> It's in on page 12. It's green.

4964
03:10:35,279 --> 03:10:36,399
>> We could we if you want to keep it

4965
03:10:36,399 --> 03:10:37,600
supplemental pages you can keep it

4966
03:10:37,600 --> 03:10:39,680
supplemental pages. I'm saying I like

4967
03:10:39,680 --> 03:10:40,319
the overlay

4968
03:10:40,319 --> 03:10:41,600
>> put the overlays together though

4969
03:10:41,600 --> 03:10:44,720
regardless of how we're doing this.

4970
03:10:44,720 --> 03:10:46,960
>> So are you proposing that you you take

4971
03:10:46,960 --> 03:10:49,359
page 12 basically and overlay it even

4972
03:10:49,359 --> 03:10:52,000
though it's already here to understand

4973
03:10:52,000 --> 03:10:54,800
>> or you keep APA. So, you've got page 12,

4974
03:10:54,800 --> 03:10:56,720
you keep 17, but then you've got an

4975
03:10:56,720 --> 03:10:58,479
additional one that shows

4976
03:10:58,479 --> 03:11:00,479
>> I don't think it hurts the document to

4977
03:11:00,479 --> 03:11:03,279
create another map that shows the APA's

4978
03:11:03,279 --> 03:11:05,279
overlaid underneath

4979
03:11:05,279 --> 03:11:08,080
>> the layers of

4980
03:11:08,080 --> 03:11:09,760
Yeah, I think I think I don't think that

4981
03:11:09,760 --> 03:11:10,319
hurts.

4982
03:11:10,319 --> 03:11:12,399
>> That that doesn't take a that doesn't

4983
03:11:12,399 --> 03:11:13,680
take time to study it.

4984
03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:15,840
>> And so, I guess the question Yeah. So,

4985
03:11:15,840 --> 03:11:17,680
what Shane is saying is is just put some

4986
03:11:17,680 --> 03:11:19,279
text with all of you guys right now seem

4987
03:11:19,279 --> 03:11:21,040
like you're saying, I like that.

4988
03:11:21,040 --> 03:11:22,880
>> We're hearing you. question I've got,

4989
03:11:22,880 --> 03:11:24,479
Seth, then is if we're looking at the

4990
03:11:24,479 --> 03:11:26,720
interactive map and you click just

4991
03:11:26,720 --> 03:11:28,720
general plan, are you going to see the

4992
03:11:28,720 --> 03:11:29,279
overlay?

4993
03:11:29,279 --> 03:11:30,720
>> No, you'll have to click the other

4994
03:11:30,720 --> 03:11:32,479
layer, but it's right there. It's a

4995
03:11:32,479 --> 03:11:34,479
layer that's in the map system.

4996
03:11:34,479 --> 03:11:37,279
>> Yep. It's It's not hard to do. It's just

4997
03:11:37,279 --> 03:11:38,000
a layer,

4998
03:11:38,000 --> 03:11:38,960
>> right?

4999
03:11:38,960 --> 03:11:40,800
>> Click it.

5000
03:11:40,800 --> 03:11:41,680
>> Okay.

5001
03:11:41,680 --> 03:11:43,200
>> So, you're saying we cannot approve

5002
03:11:43,200 --> 03:11:44,720
anything today. We have to give you

5003
03:11:44,720 --> 03:11:47,040
direction and then this will come back

5004
03:11:47,040 --> 03:11:47,680
to us again.

5005
03:11:47,680 --> 03:11:49,840
>> Yeah. Because

5006
03:11:49,840 --> 03:11:51,279
>> I'm not saying I'm not saying that

5007
03:11:51,279 --> 03:11:52,800
either. You guys, you guys decide that.

5008
03:11:52,800 --> 03:11:55,520
>> My question with the approval is if

5009
03:11:55,520 --> 03:11:57,359
there's one approval, there's one motion

5010
03:11:57,359 --> 03:11:59,760
we're making tonight, right? How do we

5011
03:11:59,760 --> 03:12:01,040
because I don't feel like we're done

5012
03:12:01,040 --> 03:12:02,800
discussing the general plan. I think

5013
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:04,479
there's some other things that we need

5014
03:12:04,479 --> 03:12:08,800
to bring up. So, this is one item of the

5015
03:12:08,800 --> 03:12:11,040
motion that we need to make eventually

5016
03:12:11,040 --> 03:12:13,359
or do we

5017
03:12:13,359 --> 03:12:16,960
suggest staff take this back and do

5018
03:12:16,960 --> 03:12:18,800
something with it and then we come back

5019
03:12:18,800 --> 03:12:20,720
with an actual motion once this has been

5020
03:12:20,720 --> 03:12:23,359
applied to it? I don't Yeah,

5021
03:12:23,359 --> 03:12:25,680
>> I would suspect that there are a couple

5022
03:12:25,680 --> 03:12:29,040
of things that we're going to debate and

5023
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:31,200
give staff direction on so that it comes

5024
03:12:31,200 --> 03:12:34,160
back in a format that we can take a vote

5025
03:12:34,160 --> 03:12:34,720
on.

5026
03:12:34,720 --> 03:12:36,240
>> Right.

5027
03:12:36,240 --> 03:12:39,359
It's my opinion that staff needs clear

5028
03:12:39,359 --> 03:12:41,359
direction from at least three of the

5029
03:12:41,359 --> 03:12:44,399
five voting members on what to change in

5030
03:12:44,399 --> 03:12:48,240
the map. So, while it might not be a he

5031
03:12:48,240 --> 03:12:50,720
makes a motion and we vote on it, it

5032
03:12:50,720 --> 03:12:53,600
maybe it maybe it is maybe it is Jesse's

5033
03:12:53,600 --> 03:12:56,240
motion is to do the hashing and we vote

5034
03:12:56,240 --> 03:12:58,399
on it. They have good clear direction,

5035
03:12:58,399 --> 03:13:00,080
but that's just a piece of the map. We

5036
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:02,560
haven't piece of the overall document.

5037
03:13:02,560 --> 03:13:05,120
We haven't approved it. But the

5038
03:13:05,120 --> 03:13:07,200
challenge has been from day one there

5039
03:13:07,200 --> 03:13:10,080
are five opinions, six opinions about

5040
03:13:10,080 --> 03:13:12,720
what to do wherever

5041
03:13:12,720 --> 03:13:17,439
and how do we res get resolution if we don't give them direction and vote on

5042
03:13:17,439 --> 03:13:18,960
I don't understand how that would be. I

5043
03:13:18,960 --> 03:13:20,960
think that's the problem of maybe why

5044
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:22,640
we're maybe to this point, right?

5045
03:13:22,640 --> 03:13:24,960
There's I think there's some frustration

5046
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:26,880
um probably from city staff's side more

5047
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:28,560
than any not they're not going to say

5048
03:13:28,560 --> 03:13:30,800
that but because we haven't given those

5049
03:13:30,800 --> 03:13:32,000
clear direction because we haven't had

5050
03:13:32,000 --> 03:13:34,640
this conversation in in a way that we

5051
03:13:34,640 --> 03:13:36,800
can actually debate some of those things

5052
03:13:36,800 --> 03:13:38,479
whether that's our that could be our

5053
03:13:38,479 --> 03:13:39,680
fault that could be I I don't

5054
03:13:39,680 --> 03:13:41,120
>> this could be the time when we needed to

5055
03:13:41,120 --> 03:13:42,560
>> but this might be what we need right and

5056
03:13:42,560 --> 03:13:43,920
so I do think there's a few more things

5057
03:13:43,920 --> 03:13:45,200
that need to happen I don't know that

5058
03:13:45,200 --> 03:13:46,640
there's a ton

5059
03:13:46,640 --> 03:13:47,840
>> but I do think there's I think there's

5060
03:13:47,840 --> 03:13:48,960
still some that are going to take

5061
03:13:48,960 --> 03:13:51,200
probably the same amount of time right

5062
03:13:51,200 --> 03:13:55,840
>> um So I and to Seth's point I think and

5063
03:13:55,840 --> 03:13:57,840
maybe we need to be clear is if are we

5064
03:13:57,840 --> 03:13:59,600
all or how many of us are on board with

5065
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:02,399
that direction because then that's the

5066
03:14:02,399 --> 03:14:03,600
direction that city staff is going to

5067
03:14:03,600 --> 03:14:05,200
go. I don't know. I don't know where

5068
03:14:05,200 --> 03:14:06,880
everyone else is at. I've obviously been

5069
03:14:06,880 --> 03:14:07,920
clear where I'm at.

5070
03:14:07,920 --> 03:14:10,239
>> So and where you're at is you want an

5071
03:14:10,239 --> 03:14:12,880
actual general plan that shows shows

5072
03:14:12,880 --> 03:14:13,920
that shows the overall.

5073
03:14:13,920 --> 03:14:14,720
>> Yeah. And then you can have separate

5074
03:14:14,720 --> 03:14:16,239
maps that show the other stuff, right?

5075
03:14:16,239 --> 03:14:17,840
Like in and I think keeping it. So

5076
03:14:17,840 --> 03:14:19,680
you're adding additional map that shows

5077
03:14:19,680 --> 03:14:22,399
it and then give it give it some text to

5078
03:14:22,399 --> 03:14:23,920
Shane's point so that people understand

5079
03:14:23,920 --> 03:14:24,720
why it's there.

5080
03:14:24,720 --> 03:14:27,200
>> So not just a clicking of the two maps

5081
03:14:27,200 --> 03:14:28,800
that are available, but you want the

5082
03:14:28,800 --> 03:14:31,120
general plan map to actually show

5083
03:14:31,120 --> 03:14:32,640
>> correct the overlay. Correct. Is what

5084
03:14:32,640 --> 03:14:33,279
you're asking.

5085
03:14:33,279 --> 03:14:33,920
>> Yeah.

5086
03:14:33,920 --> 03:14:36,000
>> If I could offer what I was hearing,

5087
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:39,040
>> you could make a motion to continue the

5088
03:14:39,040 --> 03:14:42,560
item but with direction to staff on make

5089
03:14:42,560 --> 03:14:44,399
that map that you described the text.

5090
03:14:44,399 --> 03:14:46,640
what other other issues you still think

5091
03:14:46,640 --> 03:14:50,160
need work and then see if that motion

5092
03:14:50,160 --> 03:14:51,920
passes. If that motion passes then we

5093
03:14:51,920 --> 03:14:53,840
have clear direction from majority of

5094
03:14:53,840 --> 03:14:55,680
the council

5095
03:14:55,680 --> 03:14:57,520
>> because how do how do you do that Seth?

5096
03:14:57,520 --> 03:15:00,560
Because without an actual designation in

5097
03:15:00,560 --> 03:15:02,720
the general plan,

5098
03:15:02,720 --> 03:15:04,800
if you click the general plan map just

5099
03:15:04,800 --> 03:15:06,479
like you did, it's going to show just

5100
03:15:06,479 --> 03:15:07,680
the general plan. So

5101
03:15:07,680 --> 03:15:10,640
>> So I guess for me it's

5102
03:15:10,640 --> 03:15:13,439
I'm going to use my teenage friends

5103
03:15:13,439 --> 03:15:17,920
language. It's not that deep. Um, we can

5104
03:15:17,920 --> 03:15:20,560
have the land use map and we have the

5105
03:15:20,560 --> 03:15:23,680
APA map and it's just layered. And if

5106
03:15:23,680 --> 03:15:26,000
you're going to be on the internet, you

5107
03:15:26,000 --> 03:15:27,680
just click the layers and turn them on

5108
03:15:27,680 --> 03:15:29,920
and you can see them all in the document

5109
03:15:29,920 --> 03:15:31,520
where you don't have the ability to

5110
03:15:31,520 --> 03:15:32,880
it's, you know, it's not living and

5111
03:15:32,880 --> 03:15:34,560
breathing. We can create a layered map

5112
03:15:34,560 --> 03:15:37,680
that shows it. It just has them in an

5113
03:15:37,680 --> 03:15:39,920
image like this. This is the old general

5114
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:42,399
plan, but in an image that's like this

5115
03:15:42,399 --> 03:15:47,760
where it has the the APAs underneath it.

5116
03:15:47,760 --> 03:15:50,239
So, and so you can see them and we just

5117
03:15:50,239 --> 03:15:51,680
print that and we just put that in here

5118
03:15:51,680 --> 03:15:53,760
and identify. This is how it looks

5119
03:15:53,760 --> 03:15:56,399
overlaid the APAs with the land use

5120
03:15:56,399 --> 03:15:58,239
designations.

5121
03:15:58,239 --> 03:15:59,520
>> But the people you're talking about

5122
03:15:59,520 --> 03:16:03,680
coming and approaching these people are are not just looking for a hard

5123
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:06,160
printed map. They they do get online and

5124
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:07,279
can click around and find

5125
03:16:07,279 --> 03:16:08,960
>> and they can they can turn on they can

5126
03:16:08,960 --> 03:16:10,560
turn on any of all the layers that they

5127
03:16:10,560 --> 03:16:12,319
want. Very functional.

5128
03:16:12,319 --> 03:16:13,840
>> Five years from now are we going to be

5129
03:16:13,840 --> 03:16:15,760
using a printed document? We're going to

5130
03:16:15,760 --> 03:16:16,720
be

5131
03:16:16,720 --> 03:16:18,640
>> We currently are.

5132
03:16:18,640 --> 03:16:19,840
>> We are.

5133
03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:22,640
>> All right. I hope so because David I

5134
03:16:22,640 --> 03:16:24,560
know has put a lot of work into it.

5135
03:16:24,560 --> 03:16:26,319
>> Yeah.

5136
03:16:26,319 --> 03:16:28,720
>> So are we good to move on and do you

5137
03:16:28,720 --> 03:16:30,880
want me to make a motion?

5138
03:16:30,880 --> 03:16:33,040
>> Um I'm a no.

5139
03:16:33,040 --> 03:16:34,640
>> Okay. You're fine. I'm I'll just make

5140
03:16:34,640 --> 03:16:37,439
the motion. So, I move that we table the

5141
03:16:37,439 --> 03:16:40,960
general plan discussion

5142
03:16:40,960 --> 03:16:43,439
>> with the direct or we going to go with

5143
03:16:43,439 --> 03:16:44,319
more tonight.

5144
03:16:44,319 --> 03:16:45,840
>> Yeah. Are we done?

5145
03:16:45,840 --> 03:16:46,720
>> I you guys

5146
03:16:46,720 --> 03:16:47,920
>> move on to the next one. Come back to

5147
03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:48,080
it.

5148
03:16:48,080 --> 03:16:49,279
>> Okay.

5149
03:16:49,279 --> 03:16:49,840
>> Never mind.

5150
03:16:49,840 --> 03:16:50,560
>> D.

5151
03:16:50,560 --> 03:16:51,840
>> Yeah. Sorry. I

5152
03:16:51,840 --> 03:16:52,560
>> I thought we were moving.

5153
03:16:52,560 --> 03:16:54,239
>> I think there's Yeah, I guess I don't

5154
03:16:54,239 --> 03:16:56,399
know. Are we done with general plan

5155
03:16:56,399 --> 03:16:58,000
topics tonight and we're ready to keep

5156
03:16:58,000 --> 03:16:59,840
going with the agenda or we got more we

5157
03:16:59,840 --> 03:17:02,160
want to talk about with the general plan

5158
03:17:02,160 --> 03:17:04,160
cuz I'd like to talk about stationary

5159
03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:05,279
and west of I5

5160
03:17:05,279 --> 03:17:05,840
>> do it.

5161
03:17:05,840 --> 03:17:07,279
>> I think we need to talk more but I think

5162
03:17:07,279 --> 03:17:10,479
we need to agree on this area. Are we do

5163
03:17:10,479 --> 03:17:14,000
we have have we given enough guidance?

5164
03:17:14,000 --> 03:17:16,319
>> I think what Van was saying is get all

5165
03:17:16,319 --> 03:17:19,279
of the issues that we talk about

5166
03:17:19,279 --> 03:17:21,279
on the table and make a motion to

5167
03:17:21,279 --> 03:17:23,120
continue and then staff go do this this

5168
03:17:23,120 --> 03:17:25,920
and this and this. And one of those this

5169
03:17:25,920 --> 03:17:27,040
is

5170
03:17:27,040 --> 03:17:27,600
>> is this

5171
03:17:27,600 --> 03:17:28,239
>> is that?

5172
03:17:28,239 --> 03:17:28,560
>> Yes.

5173
03:17:28,560 --> 03:17:30,080
>> That's what I mean. So, should we at

5174
03:17:30,080 --> 03:17:33,520
least make sure we have four or three of

5175
03:17:33,520 --> 03:17:34,399
us?

5176
03:17:34,399 --> 03:17:35,760
>> I think you have three.

5177
03:17:35,760 --> 03:17:37,120
>> Okay.

5178
03:17:37,120 --> 03:17:39,359
>> You have your direction, correct?

5179
03:17:39,359 --> 03:17:40,399
>> On this one item. Yeah.

5180
03:17:40,399 --> 03:17:41,200
>> Yes. Okay.

5181
03:17:41,200 --> 03:17:43,680
>> I I will probably summarize in the end

5182
03:17:43,680 --> 03:17:47,200
to make sure that I'm there. Yeah.

5183
03:17:47,200 --> 03:17:48,720
>> But there still needs to be a motion.

5184
03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:49,520
>> Correct. Right.

5185
03:17:49,520 --> 03:17:51,120
>> And and so what I'm going to do

5186
03:17:51,120 --> 03:17:51,920
>> why we can't just say

5187
03:17:51,920 --> 03:17:53,120
>> why not make it clear.

5188
03:17:53,120 --> 03:17:55,040
>> Yeah. Well, I'm not ready for a motion.

5189
03:17:55,040 --> 03:17:56,479
They're not ready for a motion. What

5190
03:17:56,479 --> 03:17:56,880
they're saying,

5191
03:17:56,880 --> 03:17:59,279
>> why can't we get take a

5192
03:17:59,279 --> 03:18:01,359
why can't we have a motion directing

5193
03:18:01,359 --> 03:18:03,439
staff to do something?

5194
03:18:03,439 --> 03:18:04,080
>> You can

5195
03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:04,960
>> seven times.

5196
03:18:04,960 --> 03:18:06,080
>> You can do that. Absolutely.

5197
03:18:06,080 --> 03:18:07,840
>> Then then we would be clear each and

5198
03:18:07,840 --> 03:18:08,399
every time.

5199
03:18:08,399 --> 03:18:11,760
>> Yeah, you can totally do that.

5200
03:18:11,760 --> 03:18:13,279
>> I move to direct.

5201
03:18:13,279 --> 03:18:14,640
>> It's not on the agenda.

5202
03:18:14,640 --> 03:18:15,600
>> This is general plans.

5203
03:18:15,600 --> 03:18:16,319
>> This is general plan.

5204
03:18:16,319 --> 03:18:18,319
>> Absolutely. It's within the

5205
03:18:18,319 --> 03:18:20,479
>> It's not a resolution. It's not. It's

5206
03:18:20,479 --> 03:18:23,600
just a unified moment where you say I So

5207
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:26,160
I'm going to speak as if I was Jesse

5208
03:18:26,160 --> 03:18:28,640
because apparently it's Jesse's motion.

5209
03:18:28,640 --> 03:18:31,120
I move to direct staff to add a map to

5210
03:18:31,120 --> 03:18:33,760
the general plan document that is a

5211
03:18:33,760 --> 03:18:36,160
layered map showing the APA's and the

5212
03:18:36,160 --> 03:18:38,479
land use designations in one image.

5213
03:18:38,479 --> 03:18:38,960
>> Correct.

5214
03:18:38,960 --> 03:18:40,160
>> Well done, Jesse.

5215
03:18:40,160 --> 03:18:40,479
>> Thank you.

5216
03:18:40,479 --> 03:18:41,120
>> And then you guys

5217
03:18:41,120 --> 03:18:42,880
>> with some text to back it up.

5218
03:18:42,880 --> 03:18:45,040
>> Yeah. With some with some explanatory

5219
03:18:45,040 --> 03:18:48,080
text that tells the story. And then you

5220
03:18:48,080 --> 03:18:50,479
guys say yes. Yes. Yes. No, because you

5221
03:18:50,479 --> 03:18:52,880
said no. Yeah, you said no. I I can read

5222
03:18:52,880 --> 03:18:53,680
and I listen

5223
03:18:53,680 --> 03:18:55,279
>> or listen maybe.

5224
03:18:55,279 --> 03:18:57,520
>> And then I'm I move on and then when

5225
03:18:57,520 --> 03:18:59,840
we're done, you either say now that

5226
03:18:59,840 --> 03:19:01,840
we've had that direction, I say we table

5227
03:19:01,840 --> 03:19:03,680
this until a future meeting and then we

5228
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:05,200
table the item. Yes. Are you good with

5229
03:19:05,200 --> 03:19:06,640
that?

5230
03:19:06,640 --> 03:19:08,560
>> And then we're going on.

5231
03:19:08,560 --> 03:19:09,680
>> Yeah, I think that's what I was saying.

5232
03:19:09,680 --> 03:19:11,040
I think you can write these down.

5233
03:19:11,040 --> 03:19:14,000
>> Shane has is that do it all in one

5234
03:19:14,000 --> 03:19:16,000
motion. Landon's going to say no because

5235
03:19:16,000 --> 03:19:18,160
of number four. Jesse's gonna say no

5236
03:19:18,160 --> 03:19:20,479
because of number three. Kevin's gonna

5237
03:19:20,479 --> 03:19:21,359
say no because of

5238
03:19:21,359 --> 03:19:22,399
>> finally agree on something.

5239
03:19:22,399 --> 03:19:22,960
>> I do.

5240
03:19:22,960 --> 03:19:23,359
>> Yeah.

5241
03:19:23,359 --> 03:19:25,600
>> So, this

5242
03:19:25,600 --> 03:19:29,600
I would entertain a motion a motion for

5243
03:19:29,600 --> 03:19:33,279
clear direction to staff on the specific

5244
03:19:33,279 --> 03:19:36,319
piece that you want to discuss. I move

5245
03:19:36,319 --> 03:19:38,239
to direct staff, which sounds really

5246
03:19:38,239 --> 03:19:41,359
funny, to create a map with the general

5247
03:19:41,359 --> 03:19:45,520
plan and the APA overlay in one map with

5248
03:19:45,520 --> 03:19:50,160
text to back it up.

5249
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:51,520
>> Okay, I think they know what we're

5250
03:19:51,520 --> 03:19:53,600
talking about. We need to vote.

5251
03:19:53,600 --> 03:19:54,960
>> Everybody got that?

5252
03:19:54,960 --> 03:19:57,120
>> Okay. Motion made by Councilman Carden.

5253
03:19:57,120 --> 03:19:58,080
Is there a second?

5254
03:19:58,080 --> 03:19:59,040
>> I'll second.

5255
03:19:59,040 --> 03:20:01,200
>> Second by Councilman Oiler. It's a roll

5256
03:20:01,200 --> 03:20:03,520
call vote. Councilman Oiler,

5257
03:20:03,520 --> 03:20:03,760
>> yes.

5258
03:20:03,760 --> 03:20:04,560
>> Councilman Carden,

5259
03:20:04,560 --> 03:20:06,479
>> yes. Councilman Tuk,

5260
03:20:06,479 --> 03:20:06,800
>> yes.

5261
03:20:06,800 --> 03:20:07,760
>> Councilman Marshall,

5262
03:20:07,760 --> 03:20:08,239
>> no.

5263
03:20:08,239 --> 03:20:09,439
>> Councilwoman Beck,

5264
03:20:09,439 --> 03:20:11,439
>> yes.

5265
03:20:11,439 --> 03:20:13,040
>> That's not an item, but that's that

5266
03:20:13,040 --> 03:20:14,800
direction has been given.

5267
03:20:14,800 --> 03:20:15,520
>> We didn't vote on it.

5268
03:20:15,520 --> 03:20:16,319
>> Clear as mine.

5269
03:20:16,319 --> 03:20:18,239
>> Okay. We didn't vote on it, but we voted

5270
03:20:18,239 --> 03:20:18,720
on it.

5271
03:20:18,720 --> 03:20:21,760
>> I lost. And I think that is that's makes

5272
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:24,080
me way more comfortable

5273
03:20:24,080 --> 03:20:26,399
move being able to resolve these things

5274
03:20:26,399 --> 03:20:27,279
as we move forward.

5275
03:20:27,279 --> 03:20:29,120
>> Something you're used to. Keep

5276
03:20:29,120 --> 03:20:31,120
>> I operate uncomfortable.

5277
03:20:31,120 --> 03:20:33,120
>> Can we address any other things you're

5278
03:20:33,120 --> 03:20:34,960
used to? you're used to losing. Just

5279
03:20:34,960 --> 03:20:35,520
talk to Gary

5280
03:20:35,520 --> 03:20:37,520
>> if there are things we can we can jump

5281
03:20:37,520 --> 03:20:38,319
to we

5282
03:20:38,319 --> 03:20:40,080
>> I just figured if we're in that area

5283
03:20:40,080 --> 03:20:41,040
down by Leland

5284
03:20:41,040 --> 03:20:42,080
>> keep talking about it.

5285
03:20:42,080 --> 03:20:45,840
>> Yes, I have if that's okay.

5286
03:20:45,840 --> 03:20:48,479
Um, I know they talked about this in

5287
03:20:48,479 --> 03:20:50,399
commission

5288
03:20:50,399 --> 03:20:53,600
meeting and on 9inth South there's a lot

5289
03:20:53,600 --> 03:20:54,960
of requests and the commissioner

5290
03:20:54,960 --> 03:20:56,720
Woodhouse brought it up to instead of

5291
03:20:56,720 --> 03:20:59,680
having medium density on 9inth South to

5292
03:20:59,680 --> 03:21:02,560
have it low density

5293
03:21:02,560 --> 03:21:05,279
>> north of 9inth South. Correct. both

5294
03:21:05,279 --> 03:21:10,389
sides. From what I understand,

5295
03:21:10,399 --> 03:21:14,000
» the it sounds like the concerns are that

5296
03:21:14,000 --> 03:21:16,640
residents at this moment in time could

5297
03:21:16,640 --> 03:21:21,760
build town homes. Is that right? South.

5298
03:21:21,760 --> 03:21:23,840
>> So, it's general. It's not zoned. So,

5299
03:21:23,840 --> 03:21:24,239
it's

5300
03:21:24,239 --> 03:21:25,840
>> Yeah, it's not zoned, but I mean, they

5301
03:21:25,840 --> 03:21:27,760
could they could ask for it and it would

5302
03:21:27,760 --> 03:21:28,960
comply with the general plan.

5303
03:21:28,960 --> 03:21:30,720
>> Eight acre, eight units per acre, right?

5304
03:21:30,720 --> 03:21:33,279
>> Up to. So it sounds like they're they're

5305
03:21:33,279 --> 03:21:35,040
concerned in that area. So to just keep

5306
03:21:35,040 --> 03:21:36,960
them as is so someone doesn't come in

5307
03:21:36,960 --> 03:21:39,040
and start making town homes or adding

5308
03:21:39,040 --> 03:21:40,880
homes, they would love just a little

5309
03:21:40,880 --> 03:21:42,960
area right there on 9inth South to be

5310
03:21:42,960 --> 03:21:43,840
low density.

5311
03:21:43,840 --> 03:21:46,800
>> So AS is would because AS is is what's

5312
03:21:46,800 --> 03:21:48,800
on the map right now, which is medium

5313
03:21:48,800 --> 03:21:49,439
density,

5314
03:21:49,439 --> 03:21:50,479
>> right?

5315
03:21:50,479 --> 03:21:52,160
>> Yeah. Nothing changed there.

5316
03:21:52,160 --> 03:21:54,319
>> So I guess the only thought I would have

5317
03:21:54,319 --> 03:21:58,880
is to take the property north, which

5318
03:21:58,880 --> 03:22:03,200
surrounds the river. I would I would

5319
03:22:03,200 --> 03:22:05,120
my thoughts are any property around the

5320
03:22:05,120 --> 03:22:06,800
river I'd rather have a low density

5321
03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:08,720
property than a bunch of houses close to

5322
03:22:08,720 --> 03:22:10,960
the river. But I say that we just

5323
03:22:10,960 --> 03:22:14,720
approved a whole bunch of houses.

5324
03:22:14,720 --> 03:22:15,439
>> Yes, you did.

5325
03:22:15,439 --> 03:22:16,720
>> We very

5326
03:22:16,720 --> 03:22:21,510
>> He did a He did a one-off.

5327
03:22:21,520 --> 03:22:23,120
» Dang it. I hate when my words come back

5328
03:22:23,120 --> 03:22:24,720
to me.

5329
03:22:24,720 --> 03:22:26,239
I just wanted to bring it up because it

5330
03:22:26,239 --> 03:22:27,840
was a comment that Commissioner

5331
03:22:27,840 --> 03:22:29,840
Woodhouse made and I just wanted to make

5332
03:22:29,840 --> 03:22:30,720
sure we address it.

5333
03:22:30,720 --> 03:22:32,640
>> Do you support that comment?

5334
03:22:32,640 --> 03:22:34,319
>> I think I do, but I would love to hear

5335
03:22:34,319 --> 03:22:36,960
what you guys say. If you're all a No.

5336
03:22:36,960 --> 03:22:37,359
>> So then

5337
03:22:37,359 --> 03:22:39,200
>> then you will change.

5338
03:22:39,200 --> 03:22:41,760
>> Maybe I'll be ashamed and I'll suggest

5339
03:22:41,760 --> 03:22:43,920
it and you can all vote it down.

5340
03:22:43,920 --> 03:22:45,200
>> I think if you suggested it,

5341
03:22:45,200 --> 03:22:46,880
>> but I'd love a discussion. Does it make

5342
03:22:46,880 --> 03:22:49,439
sense to do low density?

5343
03:22:49,439 --> 03:22:51,040
>> Yeah.

5344
03:22:51,040 --> 03:22:52,399
Can we pull it up on the big map? Is

5345
03:22:52,399 --> 03:22:54,239
that okay to look at that Jack or

5346
03:22:54,239 --> 03:22:57,040
>> do we have the proposed general plan?

5347
03:22:57,040 --> 03:22:57,760
>> It's

5348
03:22:57,760 --> 03:22:58,479
>> in lie of

5349
03:22:58,479 --> 03:23:01,200
>> do we have it in the GIS the proposed

5350
03:23:01,200 --> 03:23:03,040
somewhere that we can access? I don't

5351
03:23:03,040 --> 03:23:04,720
feel like I feel like that's behind kind

5352
03:23:04,720 --> 03:23:07,600
of the beta door.

5353
03:23:07,600 --> 03:23:08,080
>> Okay.

5354
03:23:08,080 --> 03:23:09,120
>> Beta door.

5355
03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:10,960
>> Yeah. So just go to the document.

5356
03:23:10,960 --> 03:23:12,560
>> This is on page 39.

5357
03:23:12,560 --> 03:23:14,000
>> Yeah. Just go to the document and we can

5358
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:16,000
zoom into where Councilwoman Beck is

5359
03:23:16,000 --> 03:23:20,880
talking RR just for

5360
03:23:20,880 --> 03:23:22,479
>> it's good to know.

5361
03:23:22,479 --> 03:23:23,680
Thanks for that.

5362
03:23:23,680 --> 03:23:25,439
>> 30 something.

5363
03:23:25,439 --> 03:23:26,800
>> I'll tell you when to stop.

5364
03:23:26,800 --> 03:23:27,920
>> But it's not yet.

5365
03:23:27,920 --> 03:23:30,160
>> 17.

5366
03:23:30,160 --> 03:23:33,040
>> General go down to the targeted area.

5367
03:23:33,040 --> 03:23:34,880
>> It's not changing.

5368
03:23:34,880 --> 03:23:36,560
>> No amies.

5369
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:38,160
>> It's why those people why the land

5370
03:23:38,160 --> 03:23:40,479
owners have come in here saying, "Hey,

5371
03:23:40,479 --> 03:23:42,880
the general plan is almost

5372
03:23:42,880 --> 03:23:44,800
>> medium density residential."

5373
03:23:44,800 --> 03:23:51,200
>> Correct. We're we own this ground. It's

5374
03:23:51,200 --> 03:23:52,720
>> uh

5375
03:23:52,720 --> 03:23:55,920
are our our rural residential now would

5376
03:23:55,920 --> 03:23:58,080
like to put plans in front of you to go

5377
03:23:58,080 --> 03:24:00,479
medium density residential like like

5378
03:24:00,479 --> 03:24:01,760
they have I mean they've brought those

5379
03:24:01,760 --> 03:24:07,590
plans in front of us

5380
03:24:07,600 --> 03:24:09,439
» what do you guys think

5381
03:24:09,439 --> 03:24:09,920
>> I

5382
03:24:09,920 --> 03:24:10,880
>> worth it or

5383
03:24:10,880 --> 03:24:14,239
>> so I like the you've got LDR to the left

5384
03:24:14,239 --> 03:24:18,000
you've got LDR to the right above 900

5385
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:21,359
South you've got MDR and MDR. The MDR

5386
03:24:21,359 --> 03:24:25,190
west of I-15

5387
03:24:25,200 --> 03:24:28,319
has been underwater recently and so that

5388
03:24:28,319 --> 03:24:30,080
one I would be concerned about putting a

5389
03:24:30,080 --> 03:24:32,560
lot of homes on. So that one I would be

5390
03:24:32,560 --> 03:24:36,000
more comfortable with an LDR. And then

5391
03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:38,080
if you were to just tie in the north of

5392
03:24:38,080 --> 03:24:40,399
900 South is LDR as well. Then you've

5393
03:24:40,399 --> 03:24:44,319
got that whole strip which is LDR

5394
03:24:44,319 --> 03:24:46,720
>> low density. I don't

5395
03:24:46,720 --> 03:24:48,720
land owners and developers will talk to

5396
03:24:48,720 --> 03:24:51,840
you different about why if it's

5397
03:24:51,840 --> 03:24:55,359
underwater, why it shouldn't be LDR,

5398
03:24:55,359 --> 03:24:57,200
>> why it should be more medium or high

5399
03:24:57,200 --> 03:24:59,600
density instead because of the cost to

5400
03:24:59,600 --> 03:25:02,800
fix the problem. Is that why or what?

5401
03:25:02,800 --> 03:25:04,479
>> Low density residential. Where do you

5402
03:25:04,479 --> 03:25:06,960
see low density residential inside the

5403
03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:08,239
city?

5404
03:25:08,239 --> 03:25:10,000
>> All along the river,

5405
03:25:10,000 --> 03:25:11,760
>> but not in the flood plane of the, you

5406
03:25:11,760 --> 03:25:13,920
know, not where they can dig basement,

5407
03:25:13,920 --> 03:25:14,640
right?

5408
03:25:14,640 --> 03:25:16,640
>> Yeah. Right. all like by the sports

5409
03:25:16,640 --> 03:25:17,279
park,

5410
03:25:17,279 --> 03:25:20,080
>> right? So they can dig basement there.

5411
03:25:20,080 --> 03:25:21,840
They would they would tell you what

5412
03:25:21,840 --> 03:25:23,600
Kevin's saying that's underwater over

5413
03:25:23,600 --> 03:25:25,520
there. The water table

5414
03:25:25,520 --> 03:25:26,960
>> is different there. It would

5415
03:25:26,960 --> 03:25:29,359
>> single families without basement is not

5416
03:25:29,359 --> 03:25:32,000
realistic is what you're saying.

5417
03:25:32,000 --> 03:25:33,279
>> Um which makes sense.

5418
03:25:33,279 --> 03:25:36,000
>> Yeah. Which I mean you can ask somebody

5419
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:38,319
that builds for a living but they're

5420
03:25:38,319 --> 03:25:42,560
going to tell you it's that's a tough product. That's why they're that's

5421
03:25:42,560 --> 03:25:44,160
part of the reason why they come to you

5422
03:25:44,160 --> 03:25:46,720
to say in these places that are a little

5423
03:25:46,720 --> 03:25:48,800
wetter that the water table doesn't

5424
03:25:48,800 --> 03:25:50,720
allow

5425
03:25:50,720 --> 03:25:53,359
basement that it's more medium density

5426
03:25:53,359 --> 03:25:55,279
residential. It's commercial stuff. It's

5427
03:25:55,279 --> 03:25:57,040
industrial stuff. It's slab on grade

5428
03:25:57,040 --> 03:25:57,920
type things you can do.

5429
03:25:57,920 --> 03:26:00,000
>> Makes more sense to see now you're not

5430
03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:00,880
doing a basement.

5431
03:26:00,880 --> 03:26:03,760
>> Yeah.

5432
03:26:03,760 --> 03:26:05,680
I I I listen to Commissioner

5433
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:11,359
Woodhouse comments of where he lives and talking to a couple of people. Um,

5434
03:26:11,359 --> 03:26:12,960
again, I think it's I think it's some

5435
03:26:12,960 --> 03:26:16,239
colors on a map that if he if it makes

5436
03:26:16,239 --> 03:26:18,399
more comfortable, it's it's his property

5437
03:26:18,399 --> 03:26:20,160
and his direct neighbors property. And I

5438
03:26:20,160 --> 03:26:21,840
don't I've never none of them have ever

5439
03:26:21,840 --> 03:26:23,359
reached out to me and said, "Hey, here's

5440
03:26:23,359 --> 03:26:25,920
the high density, you know, or the

5441
03:26:25,920 --> 03:26:28,720
medium density, you know, plan that I

5442
03:26:28,720 --> 03:26:32,080
want to talk to you about." Um, I think

5443
03:26:32,080 --> 03:26:34,000
going south of there,

5444
03:26:34,000 --> 03:26:35,120
>> we've seen plans recently.

5445
03:26:35,120 --> 03:26:37,120
>> We've seen plans. we're going towards an

5446
03:26:37,120 --> 03:26:40,160
exit. That's just starts to smack

5447
03:26:40,160 --> 03:26:42,880
different to me of of of

5448
03:26:42,880 --> 03:26:46,479
the land owners down there. Uh I think

5449
03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:48,960
we'd need to have some decent reasoning

5450
03:26:48,960 --> 03:26:49,600
of

5451
03:26:49,600 --> 03:26:51,359
>> Yeah. And I don't think he he doesn't

5452
03:26:51,359 --> 03:26:53,760
want to move or he's not suggesting all

5453
03:26:53,760 --> 03:26:56,399
of it. MDR.

5454
03:26:56,399 --> 03:26:57,200
>> Yeah.

5455
03:26:57,200 --> 03:26:58,319
>> LDR. Sorry.

5456
03:26:58,319 --> 03:27:01,840
>> We've got the ESA just north of there.

5457
03:27:01,840 --> 03:27:04,000
How did we determine what is

5458
03:27:04,000 --> 03:27:06,399
environmentally sensitive area and how

5459
03:27:06,399 --> 03:27:09,439
did how do we come to that conclusion?

5460
03:27:09,439 --> 03:27:11,520
>> So David, you might be the best one to

5461
03:27:11,520 --> 03:27:13,040
speak to this that's here. I'll say

5462
03:27:13,040 --> 03:27:14,479
something and then if why don't you fill

5463
03:27:14,479 --> 03:27:17,920
in some of the coloring here. Um the

5464
03:27:17,920 --> 03:27:20,960
blue is

5465
03:27:20,960 --> 03:27:24,160
less developable I think than ESA.

5466
03:27:24,160 --> 03:27:25,120
Um

5467
03:27:25,120 --> 03:27:28,239
>> the light blue is the the floodway.

5468
03:27:28,239 --> 03:27:30,160
>> Yeah. Uh and so you can't do anything

5469
03:27:30,160 --> 03:27:32,479
inside the blue. The river itself is not

5470
03:27:32,479 --> 03:27:34,800
that wide in that point in that point

5471
03:27:34,800 --> 03:27:37,279
where you're seeing

5472
03:27:37,279 --> 03:27:39,520
>> uh on the west of the freeway, right?

5473
03:27:39,520 --> 03:27:41,359
The river channel itself isn't that

5474
03:27:41,359 --> 03:27:46,720
wide, but it is when the river is high.

5475
03:27:46,720 --> 03:27:49,120
Um and then the ESA, go ahead and speak

5476
03:27:49,120 --> 03:27:50,560
to that what what you know, David.

5477
03:27:50,560 --> 03:27:54,880
>> Yeah. And the intent was always to um

5478
03:27:54,880 --> 03:27:57,359
identify places where development would

5479
03:27:57,359 --> 03:28:01,040
be very difficult or very expensive

5480
03:28:01,040 --> 03:28:05,040
um due to natural the natural landscape

5481
03:28:05,040 --> 03:28:06,800
whether it's whether it's the flood

5482
03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:08,640
plane, whether it's a steep slope,

5483
03:28:08,640 --> 03:28:11,439
whether it's whatever the case may be.

5484
03:28:11,439 --> 03:28:12,239
>> Okay.

5485
03:28:12,239 --> 03:28:14,560
>> So there's more than just flood plane

5486
03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:16,399
issues with ESA. Otherwise, you would

5487
03:28:16,399 --> 03:28:19,120
just designate a flood plane,

5488
03:28:19,120 --> 03:28:21,760
>> right? Well, the floodway is is that's

5489
03:28:21,760 --> 03:28:23,600
basically there's nothing that can go

5490
03:28:23,600 --> 03:28:25,359
there.

5491
03:28:25,359 --> 03:28:29,920
The the ESA is is more identifying other

5492
03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:32,000
areas that are kind of beyond that

5493
03:28:32,000 --> 03:28:35,120
floodway that also would be very

5494
03:28:35,120 --> 03:28:38,239
difficult or expensive to develop.

5495
03:28:38,239 --> 03:28:39,840
>> Yeah. And I need to point out floodway

5496
03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:41,359
and flood plane are very different

5497
03:28:41,359 --> 03:28:42,239
words.

5498
03:28:42,239 --> 03:28:46,160
>> Yeah. And so an ESA can be inside of the

5499
03:28:46,160 --> 03:28:48,560
flood plane.

5500
03:28:48,560 --> 03:28:52,479
Um, but it is not the flood way. The

5501
03:28:52,479 --> 03:28:54,000
flood way is the flood way, which is the

5502
03:28:54,000 --> 03:28:55,120
blue river.

5503
03:28:55,120 --> 03:28:55,520
>> Okay.

5504
03:28:55,520 --> 03:28:58,080
>> Kind of thing. The ESA, I think, in in

5505
03:28:58,080 --> 03:29:00,080
this case, is

5506
03:29:00,080 --> 03:29:01,600
I don't know if it's delineated or not,

5507
03:29:01,600 --> 03:29:03,520
or if we just know that it's I don't

5508
03:29:03,520 --> 03:29:05,279
know why this particular parcel is

5509
03:29:05,279 --> 03:29:06,479
designated ESA, but

5510
03:29:06,479 --> 03:29:07,920
>> it's always underwater.

5511
03:29:07,920 --> 03:29:09,840
>> While this is up, can where's Center

5512
03:29:09,840 --> 03:29:11,840
Street just is it?

5513
03:29:11,840 --> 03:29:12,800
>> Zoom out.

5514
03:29:12,800 --> 03:29:14,399
>> No, don't zoom out because I think it's

5515
03:29:14,399 --> 03:29:15,439
the very very top, right?

5516
03:29:15,439 --> 03:29:17,680
>> Yeah. Top right. Why is there a Why is

5517
03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:22,630
there a next to an interchange?

5518
03:29:22,640 --> 03:29:25,680
» Not an interchange yet, is it?

5519
03:29:25,680 --> 03:29:27,040
>> I I think I can speak to that.

5520
03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:30,319
>> It's the most approved future thing we

5521
03:29:30,319 --> 03:29:31,920
have.

5522
03:29:31,920 --> 03:29:36,000
>> Why are we Why would we want a there?

5523
03:29:36,000 --> 03:29:37,600
>> I can speak to that. David, do you want

5524
03:29:37,600 --> 03:29:40,080
to speak to that? That's the the Larsson

5525
03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:42,000
family farm area, the Rex Larson family

5526
03:29:42,000 --> 03:29:43,439
farm area, right?

5527
03:29:43,439 --> 03:29:45,359
>> Yeah. I don't know if Corey can address

5528
03:29:45,359 --> 03:29:47,920
it more, but I I my understanding is

5529
03:29:47,920 --> 03:29:50,800
that the flood plane there is much more

5530
03:29:50,800 --> 03:29:52,399
uh extensive and more difficult to

5531
03:29:52,399 --> 03:29:54,640
develop than it would be in other areas

5532
03:29:54,640 --> 03:29:56,399
along the floodway

5533
03:29:56,399 --> 03:29:58,239
>> all the way to Center Street.

5534
03:29:58,239 --> 03:30:00,640
>> It's not

5535
03:30:00,640 --> 03:30:02,399
Yeah, it's not Center Street. That's

5536
03:30:02,399 --> 03:30:04,080
what is that first South?

5537
03:30:04,080 --> 03:30:04,560
>> Yeah,

5538
03:30:04,560 --> 03:30:06,800
>> that's First South. The one that borders

5539
03:30:06,800 --> 03:30:08,479
South

5540
03:30:08,479 --> 03:30:10,080
Yeah, it's a block off of Center. one of

5541
03:30:10,080 --> 03:30:12,080
the most major interchanges we have

5542
03:30:12,080 --> 03:30:12,960
>> or will have

5543
03:30:12,960 --> 03:30:14,960
>> that we're going to put going to land

5544
03:30:14,960 --> 03:30:18,000
we're going to general plan a

5545
03:30:18,000 --> 03:30:20,960
>> they've asked for that correct Seth

5546
03:30:20,960 --> 03:30:21,840
>> the family

5547
03:30:21,840 --> 03:30:23,920
>> yeah like they're planning on

5548
03:30:23,920 --> 03:30:25,840
>> so have others so

5549
03:30:25,840 --> 03:30:28,080
>> please define for me when we're going to

5550
03:30:28,080 --> 03:30:32,319
say yes to an ask and no to an ask

5551
03:30:32,319 --> 03:30:35,920
>> I mean others have asked Richard's gonna

5552
03:30:35,920 --> 03:30:38,239
ask

5553
03:30:38,239 --> 03:30:41,279
when do we today. We want this because

5554
03:30:41,279 --> 03:30:44,800
it's the best future use of Spanish

5555
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:45,439
fork.

5556
03:30:45,439 --> 03:30:47,840
>> If it needs to be ESA, then that makes

5557
03:30:47,840 --> 03:30:50,800
sense to make it ESA. But if you

5558
03:30:50,800 --> 03:30:53,600
>> Yeah. Y a in a place that is very very

5559
03:30:53,600 --> 03:30:55,920
close to a future interchange and not

5560
03:30:55,920 --> 03:30:58,479
even I mean I'm going to have a

5561
03:30:58,479 --> 03:31:01,200
>> I'm not going to speak in oneoffs.

5562
03:31:01,200 --> 03:31:04,560
I hope not. Um, when I talk about a

5563
03:31:04,560 --> 03:31:07,200
station that is proposed, there is a not

5564
03:31:07,200 --> 03:31:09,439
a proposed interchange, a

5565
03:31:09,439 --> 03:31:11,120
environmentally approved interchange at

5566
03:31:11,120 --> 03:31:12,479
Center Street, right? That's that's a

5567
03:31:12,479 --> 03:31:13,520
given. Now, we're just waiting for

5568
03:31:13,520 --> 03:31:16,880
funding. So, in a given like that, it

5569
03:31:16,880 --> 03:31:19,279
seems odd that that's a place that we

5570
03:31:19,279 --> 03:31:22,399
would want a

5571
03:31:22,399 --> 03:31:24,479
>> right next door to the station

5572
03:31:24,479 --> 03:31:27,520
>> to a station to an interchange. like

5573
03:31:27,520 --> 03:31:29,600
>> that just doesn't just it just

5574
03:31:29,600 --> 03:31:32,080
>> I'm confused as how we're playing how we

5575
03:31:32,080 --> 03:31:33,840
are

5576
03:31:33,840 --> 03:31:36,239
making decision they seem inconsistent I

5577
03:31:36,239 --> 03:31:37,200
guess is my point

5578
03:31:37,200 --> 03:31:40,000
>> I think the flood plane is and and maybe

5579
03:31:40,000 --> 03:31:41,439
we'll switch over to a map in a second

5580
03:31:41,439 --> 03:31:44,960
they can help that this is not meant to

5581
03:31:44,960 --> 03:31:46,560
answer the question that you're asking

5582
03:31:46,560 --> 03:31:51,439
but it is this should go like this and T

5583
03:31:51,439 --> 03:31:53,920
here so center street won't be over here

5584
03:31:53,920 --> 03:31:54,319
>> okay

5585
03:31:54,319 --> 03:31:56,479
>> it will be something like that so the

5586
03:31:56,479 --> 03:31:57,600
trajectory of the road will be

5587
03:31:57,600 --> 03:31:59,760
different. Um Jack, I'm going to give

5588
03:31:59,760 --> 03:32:01,840
you this so you can maybe go to the

5589
03:32:01,840 --> 03:32:03,920
city's map and turn on flood plane. I

5590
03:32:03,920 --> 03:32:04,800
think

5591
03:32:04,800 --> 03:32:07,120
>> so. Oh, okay.

5592
03:32:07,120 --> 03:32:10,160
>> I don't I don't

5593
03:32:10,160 --> 03:32:11,840
No, but I think I think a good portion

5594
03:32:11,840 --> 03:32:19,030
of that a uh area is in the flood plane.

5595
03:32:19,040 --> 03:32:23,349
Yeah. Is that going to be in hazards?

5596
03:32:23,359 --> 03:32:25,279
» Keep talking. We'll find it. It's under

5597
03:32:25,279 --> 03:32:26,399
sensitive land.

5598
03:32:26,399 --> 03:32:28,319
>> Thank you.

5599
03:32:28,319 --> 03:32:30,640
>> Near the bottom of the list.

5600
03:32:30,640 --> 03:32:33,279
>> Sensitive.

5601
03:32:33,279 --> 03:32:34,960
>> Where does that fit?

5602
03:32:34,960 --> 03:32:40,239
>> W the FEMA 2020 that one.

5603
03:32:40,239 --> 03:32:41,920
>> Yeah.

5604
03:32:41,920 --> 03:32:44,640
>> And it's not just one property owner

5605
03:32:44,640 --> 03:32:47,279
that has been designated act. There are

5606
03:32:47,279 --> 03:32:47,760
multiple.

5607
03:32:47,760 --> 03:32:49,040
>> Sure. Absolutely. I totally understand

5608
03:32:49,040 --> 03:32:51,920
that part. Whether the property owners

5609
03:32:51,920 --> 03:32:55,120
ask or not ask to me is almost

5610
03:32:55,120 --> 03:32:57,920
irrelevant right now. Like what is

5611
03:32:57,920 --> 03:32:59,040
>> what's the reason for it?

5612
03:32:59,040 --> 03:33:00,479
>> Yeah. I mean if

5613
03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:02,399
>> Yeah,

5614
03:33:02,399 --> 03:33:05,200
>> it it seems to be in decent proximity to

5615
03:33:05,200 --> 03:33:06,960
an interchange.

5616
03:33:06,960 --> 03:33:12,389
Why isn't it commercial?

5617
03:33:12,399 --> 03:33:14,479
» So I don't know if that at least informs

5618
03:33:14,479 --> 03:33:15,279
a little bit of that.

5619
03:33:15,279 --> 03:33:16,160
>> I don't know.

5620
03:33:16,160 --> 03:33:16,479
>> Yeah.

5621
03:33:16,479 --> 03:33:17,840
>> Is that the property that's green? A

5622
03:33:17,840 --> 03:33:19,600
huge It's a huge blue area.

5623
03:33:19,600 --> 03:33:20,640
>> It's that blue area to

5624
03:33:20,640 --> 03:33:22,239
>> west of

5625
03:33:22,239 --> 03:33:23,040
ESA then

5626
03:33:23,040 --> 03:33:23,760
>> it's

5627
03:33:23,760 --> 03:33:24,960
>> not a

5628
03:33:24,960 --> 03:33:26,560
>> well you can a it

5629
03:33:26,560 --> 03:33:28,640
>> you can a it

5630
03:33:28,640 --> 03:33:31,760
>> ESA you generally not always but like

5631
03:33:31,760 --> 03:33:33,359
David was saying a hillside's going to

5632
03:33:33,359 --> 03:33:35,439
be ESA wetlands are going to be ESA

5633
03:33:35,439 --> 03:33:37,520
where you can't do much with

5634
03:33:37,520 --> 03:33:39,200
>> and the two areas on the other side of

5635
03:33:39,200 --> 03:33:43,359
I-15 are they're kind of landlocked.

5636
03:33:43,359 --> 03:33:45,920
There's not an easy way to access it.

5637
03:33:45,920 --> 03:33:48,239
Um, and it's, as far as I know, it's not

5638
03:33:48,239 --> 03:33:48,960
currently being

5639
03:33:48,960 --> 03:33:51,120
>> I mean, I prefer not going to Western 15

5640
03:33:51,120 --> 03:33:53,200
at all. So, this is my oneoff

5641
03:33:53,200 --> 03:33:54,960
conversation

5642
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:56,160
for you all.

5643
03:33:56,160 --> 03:33:57,439
>> How many one-off conversations you gonna

5644
03:33:57,439 --> 03:33:58,000
have tonight?

5645
03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:01,120
>> I'm going to have a bunch of them.

5646
03:34:01,120 --> 03:34:04,080
I appre I mean, I'm poking at Kevin, but

5647
03:34:04,080 --> 03:34:05,520
I really appreciate him calling me out

5648
03:34:05,520 --> 03:34:07,920
on my crap.

5649
03:34:07,920 --> 03:34:09,840
>> That may be the best day of my life.

5650
03:34:09,840 --> 03:34:12,000
>> I know it was. I could feel it. I could

5651
03:34:12,000 --> 03:34:13,680
feel it. You just staring at my back of

5652
03:34:13,680 --> 03:34:14,560
my head.

5653
03:34:14,560 --> 03:34:17,120
>> Yeah. I'm not looking at him.

5654
03:34:17,120 --> 03:34:18,479
>> Okay. I mean, I guess that that's

5655
03:34:18,479 --> 03:34:20,399
helpful. I still I disagree that that

5656
03:34:20,399 --> 03:34:21,760
should be a I mean,

5657
03:34:21,760 --> 03:34:23,760
>> and you can also see on the south side

5658
03:34:23,760 --> 03:34:27,120
of the floodway on in that area

5659
03:34:27,120 --> 03:34:31,120
>> is where the future uh loafer mountain

5660
03:34:31,120 --> 03:34:35,040
parkway is going to be expanding going

5661
03:34:35,040 --> 03:34:37,040
across I-15.

5662
03:34:37,040 --> 03:34:38,720
Um,

5663
03:34:38,720 --> 03:34:40,720
so that that's kind of the thought

5664
03:34:40,720 --> 03:34:42,239
process behind the different

5665
03:34:42,239 --> 03:34:44,319
designations on the different sides

5666
03:34:44,319 --> 03:34:46,720
where you've got one side that has uh

5667
03:34:46,720 --> 03:34:48,399
extensive flood plane, the other side

5668
03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:51,040
that isn't as extensive that would have

5669
03:34:51,040 --> 03:34:55,200
better transportation network.

5670
03:34:55,200 --> 03:34:56,720
>> Sorry.

5671
03:34:56,720 --> 03:34:59,520
So in our current land use plan, it's

5672
03:34:59,520 --> 03:35:00,800
not egg.

5673
03:35:00,800 --> 03:35:02,399
>> No. Yep.

5674
03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:04,720
>> And in future we've found something out

5675
03:35:04,720 --> 03:35:06,960
that makes it a Okay.

5676
03:35:06,960 --> 03:35:10,000
seems inconsistent.

5677
03:35:10,000 --> 03:35:12,560
But back to to Council Member Beck's

5678
03:35:12,560 --> 03:35:16,080
point, like what

5679
03:35:16,080 --> 03:35:19,920
is this the proper transition from EDR

5680
03:35:19,920 --> 03:35:21,600
to commercial? That's really what we're

5681
03:35:21,600 --> 03:35:23,439
talking about, right? It's it's state

5682
03:35:23,439 --> 03:35:25,120
development

5683
03:35:25,120 --> 03:35:28,399
through Leland into business into

5684
03:35:28,399 --> 03:35:31,200
commercial. Is that Do we go from estate

5685
03:35:31,200 --> 03:35:34,319
to medium? Should we go from estate to

5686
03:35:34,319 --> 03:35:37,840
low to medium? That's kind of Dave's

5687
03:35:37,840 --> 03:35:39,520
point, I'm assuming.

5688
03:35:39,520 --> 03:35:41,040
>> They just want to protect their property

5689
03:35:41,040 --> 03:35:44,160
so someone doesn't come in and offer or

5690
03:35:44,160 --> 03:35:47,279
a neighbor just doesn't

5691
03:35:47,279 --> 03:35:49,359
keep the density that they all want,

5692
03:35:49,359 --> 03:35:51,439
>> but then that takes away their property

5693
03:35:51,439 --> 03:35:54,080
rights. So,

5694
03:35:54,080 --> 03:35:57,040
>> that's why I thought I'd bring it up. I

5695
03:35:57,040 --> 03:35:58,319
thought he had text a lot of you guys

5696
03:35:58,319 --> 03:35:59,439
about it, so that's why I thought I

5697
03:35:59,439 --> 03:36:05,990
better bring it up again.

5698
03:36:06,000 --> 03:36:09,120
Okay, next general plan item.

5699
03:36:09,120 --> 03:36:10,960
>> Let's talk a little bit about west of

5700
03:36:10,960 --> 03:36:12,319
I-15.

5701
03:36:12,319 --> 03:36:13,520
>> So Shane,

5702
03:36:13,520 --> 03:36:14,319
>> no.

5703
03:36:14,319 --> 03:36:18,319
not at all. My thoughts are that we

5704
03:36:18,319 --> 03:36:22,560
need some kind of a some kind of a lever

5705
03:36:22,560 --> 03:36:29,279
in here to designate that we may general plan for this, but

5706
03:36:29,279 --> 03:36:31,279
there's no way that any of this will

5707
03:36:31,279 --> 03:36:33,840
actually ever happen until

5708
03:36:33,840 --> 03:36:37,359
roads are in place because I personally

5709
03:36:37,359 --> 03:36:40,080
I don't want to see I I don't think it's

5710
03:36:40,080 --> 03:36:43,359
a good idea to put subdivisions west of

5711
03:36:43,359 --> 03:36:45,920
I-15 until we've got good accesses. My

5712
03:36:45,920 --> 03:36:48,479
big concern is Fourth North right now

5713
03:36:48,479 --> 03:36:50,080
because we've got a developer that wants

5714
03:36:50,080 --> 03:36:50,880
to build.

5715
03:36:50,880 --> 03:36:52,080
>> Yeah.

5716
03:36:52,080 --> 03:36:54,640
>> West and that's just not a good road for

5717
03:36:54,640 --> 03:36:58,000
kids or pedestrians to get to where all

5718
03:36:58,000 --> 03:37:00,880
their commercial base is right now. Um

5719
03:37:00,880 --> 03:37:03,680
and are you going to have, you know,

5720
03:37:03,680 --> 03:37:05,760
kids have to ask their parents to drive

5721
03:37:05,760 --> 03:37:07,439
them into town anytime they want to go

5722
03:37:07,439 --> 03:37:09,760
somewhere? I as kids, we never did that.

5723
03:37:09,760 --> 03:37:12,399
we jumped on our bikes and we went into

5724
03:37:12,399 --> 03:37:15,439
town or we walked to school or whatever.

5725
03:37:15,439 --> 03:37:19,600
And so until we get some real

5726
03:37:19,600 --> 03:37:22,880
until UD do or somebody says, "Okay,

5727
03:37:22,880 --> 03:37:24,800
we've done the environmental, but now at

5728
03:37:24,800 --> 03:37:26,160
this point, okay, we're ready to pull

5729
03:37:26,160 --> 03:37:28,560
the trigger on some spending,

5730
03:37:28,560 --> 03:37:30,640
then I would feel more comfortable with

5731
03:37:30,640 --> 03:37:32,239
pulling the trigger on any kind of

5732
03:37:32,239 --> 03:37:34,239
development west of I-15." But how do

5733
03:37:34,239 --> 03:37:37,200
you combine those in a general plan and

5734
03:37:37,200 --> 03:37:39,600
say this is what we're general planning,

5735
03:37:39,600 --> 03:37:42,080
but realistically we don't want the

5736
03:37:42,080 --> 03:37:45,359
housing to come before the access.

5737
03:37:45,359 --> 03:37:46,560
>> I think that's in the goals.

5738
03:37:46,560 --> 03:37:47,439
>> That's it.

5739
03:37:47,439 --> 03:37:48,479
>> Okay.

5740
03:37:48,479 --> 03:37:50,720
>> So that's laid out in our goals as far

5741
03:37:50,720 --> 03:37:51,200
as

5742
03:37:51,200 --> 03:37:52,720
>> it's there a bit, but I think that it

5743
03:37:52,720 --> 03:37:54,319
needs to be more deliberate in

5744
03:37:54,319 --> 03:37:59,600
>> those a little bit more. So that's my only con well a concern I have

5745
03:37:59,600 --> 03:38:01,760
with west of I-15 is making sure that

5746
03:38:01,760 --> 03:38:04,080
we're not

5747
03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:06,960
moving one before the other. How do you

5748
03:38:06,960 --> 03:38:08,560
balance that to where it happens at the

5749
03:38:08,560 --> 03:38:10,000
same time? And I think there's some

5750
03:38:10,000 --> 03:38:14,640
trigger there's some goal statements

5751
03:38:14,640 --> 03:38:16,880
refer you back to

5752
03:38:16,880 --> 03:38:26,950
let's see um

5753
03:38:26,960 --> 03:38:29,600
where is it chain come on where did chat

5754
03:38:29,600 --> 03:38:36,550
put this goal Jesse

5755
03:38:36,560 --> 03:38:38,560
I'll find it I think that's that's a

5756
03:38:38,560 --> 03:38:40,720
place I think that we can be articulate

5757
03:38:40,720 --> 03:38:43,279
about. We don't want

5758
03:38:43,279 --> 03:38:44,960
um development happening until

5759
03:38:44,960 --> 03:38:48,319
infrastructure is imminent

5760
03:38:48,319 --> 03:38:50,640
like whatever the words you want to use.

5761
03:38:50,640 --> 03:38:52,239
I think those property owners, those

5762
03:38:52,239 --> 03:38:54,880
property owners that have showed us a

5763
03:38:54,880 --> 03:38:56,399
little something now and are in

5764
03:38:56,399 --> 03:38:58,239
discussions with it,

5765
03:38:58,239 --> 03:39:00,239
>> the the general plan's not giving them

5766
03:39:00,239 --> 03:39:04,960
any false uh hope that I can see from

5767
03:39:04,960 --> 03:39:07,439
the direction you as council gave them

5768
03:39:07,439 --> 03:39:08,800
when they were here and I think

5769
03:39:08,800 --> 03:39:11,680
everything they've heard from staff is

5770
03:39:11,680 --> 03:39:14,080
that's a real concern of how that

5771
03:39:14,080 --> 03:39:16,000
connects to our community and how it's

5772
03:39:16,000 --> 03:39:18,239
safe before anything happens. So, show

5773
03:39:18,239 --> 03:39:20,720
us how it is. Show us how you improve

5774
03:39:20,720 --> 03:39:23,040
that. Show us how that happens. And then

5775
03:39:23,040 --> 03:39:23,920
that's when

5776
03:39:23,920 --> 03:39:26,319
>> then then we can move forward on

5777
03:39:26,319 --> 03:39:28,080
>> take it off a map and say, "Well, okay.

5778
03:39:28,080 --> 03:39:28,399
Don't

5779
03:39:28,399 --> 03:39:31,840
>> Yeah. Don't don't at all." No, I don't.

5780
03:39:31,840 --> 03:39:33,359
>> Yeah, I agree with the map. I think the

5781
03:39:33,359 --> 03:39:34,720
map needs to be there. But

5782
03:39:34,720 --> 03:39:36,399
>> so maybe it's some language.

5783
03:39:36,399 --> 03:39:39,359
>> Yeah. How do you make the language?

5784
03:39:39,359 --> 03:39:40,000
>> Well, that's

5785
03:39:40,000 --> 03:39:41,840
>> where for those developers that do come

5786
03:39:41,840 --> 03:39:42,479
to the city

5787
03:39:42,479 --> 03:39:43,920
>> and that's where the the growth

5788
03:39:43,920 --> 03:39:45,840
management boundary comes into play.

5789
03:39:45,840 --> 03:39:48,560
It's kind of the balance between the

5790
03:39:48,560 --> 03:39:50,880
annexation policy boundary which is the

5791
03:39:50,880 --> 03:39:54,479
extent of the colors and the current

5792
03:39:54,479 --> 03:39:57,279
boundary of the city and then the growth

5793
03:39:57,279 --> 03:40:00,080
boundary determines where that kind of

5794
03:40:00,080 --> 03:40:03,600
the next step is as far as growth.

5795
03:40:03,600 --> 03:40:08,080
If that area on the north side of 400

5796
03:40:08,080 --> 03:40:11,520
>> uh 400 north is is not ready

5797
03:40:11,520 --> 03:40:15,359
infrastructurally with roads with uses

5798
03:40:15,359 --> 03:40:17,760
all that then

5799
03:40:17,760 --> 03:40:19,600
>> the growth it should not be included in

5800
03:40:19,600 --> 03:40:22,160
the growth boundary until a future date

5801
03:40:22,160 --> 03:40:25,040
where you can revisit that topic and see

5802
03:40:25,040 --> 03:40:28,000
if changes have been made so that the

5803
03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:31,279
growth boundary could be included.

5804
03:40:31,279 --> 03:40:32,640
Yeah, I like that.

5805
03:40:32,640 --> 03:40:36,239
>> I think the goal language is on page 47.

5806
03:40:36,239 --> 03:40:38,399
>> So there's there's some of that I I

5807
03:40:38,399 --> 03:40:41,600
recommended before the goals putting in

5808
03:40:41,600 --> 03:40:44,000
a sort of a contextual paragraph that

5809
03:40:44,000 --> 03:40:46,640
says because we do use these goals and

5810
03:40:46,640 --> 03:40:50,319
strategies staff uses them in in what

5811
03:40:50,319 --> 03:40:52,239
they give us to say here's what your

5812
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:55,040
goal said. Using those goals, here's

5813
03:40:55,040 --> 03:40:57,520
what the what we recommend, right? And

5814
03:40:57,520 --> 03:41:00,479
so I recommend we put in goals and

5815
03:41:00,479 --> 03:41:02,399
strategy provide policy direction but do

5816
03:41:02,399 --> 03:41:04,399
not create zoning entitlements, rights,

5817
03:41:04,399 --> 03:41:06,160
development approvals or obligations to

5818
03:41:06,160 --> 03:41:08,319
extend services on particular timeline.

5819
03:41:08,319 --> 03:41:09,680
Implementation should consider

5820
03:41:09,680 --> 03:41:14,960
infrastructure capacity, physical sustainability, existing laws,

5821
03:41:14,960 --> 03:41:17,760
private property rights and other things

5822
03:41:17,760 --> 03:41:22,319
before they move forward. So, I it's kind of I I'm I'm sharing the same

5823
03:41:22,319 --> 03:41:24,479
concern is that I think we need to be

5824
03:41:24,479 --> 03:41:26,960
clear that this is generally how we want

5825
03:41:26,960 --> 03:41:28,720
it to look, but that doesn't mean you

5826
03:41:28,720 --> 03:41:31,520
can go there tomorrow. And Dave's spot

5827
03:41:31,520 --> 03:41:33,359
on. That's part of the growth management

5828
03:41:33,359 --> 03:41:35,439
boundary, the whole philosophy around

5829
03:41:35,439 --> 03:41:37,359
it. This place would be carved out of

5830
03:41:37,359 --> 03:41:39,279
it. It would be outside the growth

5831
03:41:39,279 --> 03:41:41,040
management boundary until we're ready

5832
03:41:41,040 --> 03:41:42,720
because infrastructure is ready to to

5833
03:41:42,720 --> 03:41:46,720
move into place. So, yeah. So, if I may

5834
03:41:46,720 --> 03:41:49,120
ask a clarifying question in, and Corey

5835
03:41:49,120 --> 03:41:51,840
mentioned this, page 47 of the document

5836
03:41:51,840 --> 03:41:54,399
goal 112,

5837
03:41:54,399 --> 03:41:57,680
um, it says, I think what you're I think

5838
03:41:57,680 --> 03:42:00,960
what you're worrying about in in the

5839
03:42:00,960 --> 03:42:03,840
point you're trying to make. So, goal

5840
03:42:03,840 --> 03:42:06,319
112, adop approve annexations only

5841
03:42:06,319 --> 03:42:08,560
within the adopted growth management

5842
03:42:08,560 --> 03:42:10,160
boundary.

5843
03:42:10,160 --> 03:42:13,680
Um, and so you're going to say you you

5844
03:42:13,680 --> 03:42:16,479
need to set where the boundary is.

5845
03:42:16,479 --> 03:42:18,880
And if for the moment the boundary is

5846
03:42:18,880 --> 03:42:20,960
not on the west side of the freeway

5847
03:42:20,960 --> 03:42:24,800
because what is it? Number 113,

5848
03:42:24,800 --> 03:42:27,920
no 114, expand the growth boundary west

5849
03:42:27,920 --> 03:42:30,160
of the freeway when infrastructure

5850
03:42:30,160 --> 03:42:32,640
projects are complete or underway.

5851
03:42:32,640 --> 03:42:35,359
>> Those two things say it's not 2026.

5852
03:42:35,359 --> 03:42:36,640
Yeah.

5853
03:42:36,640 --> 03:42:38,800
>> And in two years when nothing has

5854
03:42:38,800 --> 03:42:41,920
changed in 2028, it's not 2028. In six

5855
03:42:41,920 --> 03:42:44,720
years when Center Street's funded and

5856
03:42:44,720 --> 03:42:46,720
it's under construction, that's when the

5857
03:42:46,720 --> 03:42:49,920
council then in this hypothetical says,

5858
03:42:49,920 --> 03:42:51,439
"Okay, yeah, we can start looking at

5859
03:42:51,439 --> 03:42:53,840
that because projects are underway."

5860
03:42:53,840 --> 03:42:56,479
Right. It's not I don't think it's an

5861
03:42:56,479 --> 03:42:58,479
exact science, but it is certainly a

5862
03:42:58,479 --> 03:43:01,120
good it's easy to feel, but I don't know

5863
03:43:01,120 --> 03:43:02,640
if that goes far enough.

5864
03:43:02,640 --> 03:43:04,880
>> I I feel like this does. Yeah. As I read

5865
03:43:04,880 --> 03:43:07,920
through this, I feel like because yeah,

5866
03:43:07,920 --> 03:43:10,000
you can't have one without the other

5867
03:43:10,000 --> 03:43:11,359
>> and you're not going to expand the

5868
03:43:11,359 --> 03:43:14,000
growth boundary until these major

5869
03:43:14,000 --> 03:43:15,840
transportation parkway infrastructure

5870
03:43:15,840 --> 03:43:18,160
projects are they're not going to be

5871
03:43:18,160 --> 03:43:19,840
underway unless if they've been funded.

5872
03:43:19,840 --> 03:43:20,319
>> Yeah.

5873
03:43:20,319 --> 03:43:22,479
>> So, chewing on a real for instance, I

5874
03:43:22,479 --> 03:43:24,000
don't know if you remember last council

5875
03:43:24,000 --> 03:43:26,080
meeting or two council meetings ago,

5876
03:43:26,080 --> 03:43:28,640
Dave Anderson said, "We have an

5877
03:43:28,640 --> 03:43:30,720
annexation that we've accepted to study

5878
03:43:30,720 --> 03:43:32,479
the what are we calling it the 1040

5879
03:43:32,479 --> 03:43:37,279
West?" that is west of the freeway.

5880
03:43:37,279 --> 03:43:39,680
It's heavy and intense. There is no new

5881
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:41,600
infrastructure that's in there. It

5882
03:43:41,600 --> 03:43:44,160
clearly goes against these two goals,

5883
03:43:44,160 --> 03:43:44,479
right?

5884
03:43:44,479 --> 03:43:47,920
>> And so if we adopt this, do we stop

5885
03:43:47,920 --> 03:43:49,600
that?

5886
03:43:49,600 --> 03:43:52,080
And I think it's a hard question. Maybe

5887
03:43:52,080 --> 03:43:54,880
the answer is hard to say to somebody.

5888
03:43:54,880 --> 03:43:58,239
But if if these are the goals you have,

5889
03:43:58,239 --> 03:44:00,720
then I think a part of the passage of

5890
03:44:00,720 --> 03:44:04,000
this is to is to tell staff tell the

5891
03:44:04,000 --> 03:44:06,800
applicant that we don't want it or you

5892
03:44:06,800 --> 03:44:08,239
formally say we're going to stop the

5893
03:44:08,239 --> 03:44:10,479
study of that and because it doesn't

5894
03:44:10,479 --> 03:44:12,640
meet goals 112 and 114,

5895
03:44:12,640 --> 03:44:13,199
>> right?

5896
03:44:13,199 --> 03:44:15,680
>> And and as staff, that's easy for us to

5897
03:44:15,680 --> 03:44:16,960
say to some applicant when they say,

5898
03:44:16,960 --> 03:44:18,319
"Hey, we want to come into the city, but

5899
03:44:18,319 --> 03:44:20,080
it's not ready. Here you go." But for

5900
03:44:20,080 --> 03:44:22,080
one that's already come in and that's

5901
03:44:22,080 --> 03:44:24,880
already started the study. So they're

5902
03:44:24,880 --> 03:44:26,479
their their their argument would be

5903
03:44:26,479 --> 03:44:27,920
we're trying to answer those questions.

5904
03:44:27,920 --> 03:44:30,000
We're trying to get to those answers and

5905
03:44:30,000 --> 03:44:31,680
we want to spend the money to do a study

5906
03:44:31,680 --> 03:44:34,080
to show you how to get to those answers

5907
03:44:34,080 --> 03:44:36,160
and we gave them direction. Go do the

5908
03:44:36,160 --> 03:44:37,359
study and come back and talk.

5909
03:44:37,359 --> 03:44:38,399
>> Come back, let us know what you've

5910
03:44:38,399 --> 03:44:38,960
learned. And then

5911
03:44:38,960 --> 03:44:40,720
>> and you'll recall they did say the one

5912
03:44:40,720 --> 03:44:42,319
time that they've reported back, we're

5913
03:44:42,319 --> 03:44:43,920
not talking about transportation. We're

5914
03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:44,960
only talking about these other things.

5915
03:44:44,960 --> 03:44:47,199
Like don't let's not talk about that big

5916
03:44:47,199 --> 03:44:49,199
ugly gorilla that's over there.

5917
03:44:49,199 --> 03:44:51,040
>> Don't talk about the thing we need.

5918
03:44:51,040 --> 03:44:52,080
>> Yeah. Let's talk about these other

5919
03:44:52,080 --> 03:44:53,920
things and and then maybe we can talk

5920
03:44:53,920 --> 03:44:55,600
about that later. Right. And so they I

5921
03:44:55,600 --> 03:44:57,520
think they recognize that they've got an

5922
03:44:57,520 --> 03:44:59,920
uphill battle as it relates to

5923
03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:01,920
>> transportation issues west of I-15.

5924
03:45:01,920 --> 03:45:02,880
>> Right.

5925
03:45:02,880 --> 03:45:06,479
>> They are absolutely aware of these

5926
03:45:06,479 --> 03:45:08,960
conflicts. They've been clearly made

5927
03:45:08,960 --> 03:45:12,479
aware. And if you were to say we're done

5928
03:45:12,479 --> 03:45:14,560
studying that, would they be

5929
03:45:14,560 --> 03:45:16,720
disappointed? I'm sure they would be.

5930
03:45:16,720 --> 03:45:18,720
Would it be unexpected? I don't think so

5931
03:45:18,720 --> 03:45:20,000
at all.

5932
03:45:20,000 --> 03:45:21,680
>> Yeah, I feel like this resolves my

5933
03:45:21,680 --> 03:45:22,319
concern.

5934
03:45:22,319 --> 03:45:23,279
>> Okay.

5935
03:45:23,279 --> 03:45:27,750
>> Yeah. Thanks for calling that out.

5936
03:45:27,760 --> 03:45:30,880
» Okay, that's three.

5937
03:45:30,880 --> 03:45:33,920
Keeping the tally marks here. What's

5938
03:45:33,920 --> 03:45:34,319
next?

5939
03:45:34,319 --> 03:45:36,800
>> Let's go to our other gateway area.

5940
03:45:36,800 --> 03:45:37,600
>> Which one?

5941
03:45:37,600 --> 03:45:40,160
>> Could you be specific? Uh, north of the

5942
03:45:40,160 --> 03:45:40,800
hospital,

5943
03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:42,160
>> Dry Creek.

5944
03:45:42,160 --> 03:45:45,120
>> Okay. So, up back to page 17.

5945
03:45:45,120 --> 03:45:47,520
>> We only have

5946
03:45:47,520 --> 03:45:49,520
>> there's only one gateway area, right,

5947
03:45:49,520 --> 03:45:49,840
David?

5948
03:45:49,840 --> 03:45:50,720
>> Well, there's two.

5949
03:45:50,720 --> 03:45:51,279
>> Are there two?

5950
03:45:51,279 --> 03:45:53,439
>> There's the south and then there's the

5951
03:45:53,439 --> 03:45:55,359
>> No, we have focus focused growth areas,

5952
03:45:55,359 --> 03:45:56,399
but are they gateway?

5953
03:45:56,399 --> 03:45:56,880
>> Keep going.

5954
03:45:56,880 --> 03:45:57,600
>> I thought they were.

5955
03:45:57,600 --> 03:46:00,239
>> I thought we only general planned one

5956
03:46:00,239 --> 03:46:00,800
gateway.

5957
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:02,399
>> That's what I thought, too.

5958
03:46:02,399 --> 03:46:04,319
looking at the map. Part of my concern

5959
03:46:04,319 --> 03:46:05,760
is the

5960
03:46:05,760 --> 03:46:06,239
>> one more.

5961
03:46:06,239 --> 03:46:09,359
>> The nomenclature of focus growth. Yeah,

5962
03:46:09,359 --> 03:46:10,160
I saw your

5963
03:46:10,160 --> 03:46:10,960
>> That's it.

5964
03:46:10,960 --> 03:46:11,600
>> I read it. I'm

5965
03:46:11,600 --> 03:46:13,040
>> so lost on some of these.

5966
03:46:13,040 --> 03:46:15,120
>> Yeah. And and I think David

5967
03:46:15,120 --> 03:46:15,520
>> Yeah.

5968
03:46:15,520 --> 03:46:18,479
>> I think David Man agrees like he's he's

5969
03:46:18,479 --> 03:46:20,319
working on

5970
03:46:20,319 --> 03:46:20,800
>> Okay.

5971
03:46:20,800 --> 03:46:22,960
>> Clarifying the use of the word focus

5972
03:46:22,960 --> 03:46:25,840
growth area as well as gateways. That's

5973
03:46:25,840 --> 03:46:27,520
something that's on his his duty.

5974
03:46:27,520 --> 03:46:29,359
>> Yeah. And that's something that you know

5975
03:46:29,359 --> 03:46:32,080
the gateway idea was kind of started by

5976
03:46:32,080 --> 03:46:34,319
the consultants uh when they were

5977
03:46:34,319 --> 03:46:36,239
looking at places where intense

5978
03:46:36,239 --> 03:46:39,120
development could go in the city. Um the

5979
03:46:39,120 --> 03:46:42,560
confusion came with the same name being

5980
03:46:42,560 --> 03:46:45,040
used different ways in the doc in the

5981
03:46:45,040 --> 03:46:47,520
original document that was being

5982
03:46:47,520 --> 03:46:50,800
proposed. So changing it to focus growth

5983
03:46:50,800 --> 03:46:52,880
center. I think the principle behind

5984
03:46:52,880 --> 03:46:56,880
that is to kind of designate a a

5985
03:46:56,880 --> 03:47:00,960
geographic location where further study

5986
03:47:00,960 --> 03:47:03,920
maybe on like a small area plan type of

5987
03:47:03,920 --> 03:47:07,279
level can be done rather than trying to

5988
03:47:07,279 --> 03:47:11,520
address it on the whole city like we're

5989
03:47:11,520 --> 03:47:14,160
doing right now. So, in the future, if

5990
03:47:14,160 --> 03:47:17,359
we're going to say, you know, let's look at this a little bit closer

5991
03:47:17,359 --> 03:47:21,199
now that the the the Dry Key Dry Creek

5992
03:47:21,199 --> 03:47:23,359
interchange is is going to be opening up

5993
03:47:23,359 --> 03:47:26,319
in a few months. Um, things are

5994
03:47:26,319 --> 03:47:28,319
progressing in that area. That might be

5995
03:47:28,319 --> 03:47:30,960
a time where we want to look closer at

5996
03:47:30,960 --> 03:47:32,960
that whole area so that it could be

5997
03:47:32,960 --> 03:47:36,160
planned uh cohesively uh rather than

5998
03:47:36,160 --> 03:47:43,910
just kind of peacemail or oneoff.

5999
03:47:43,920 --> 03:47:45,279
Did you look at me when you said one

6000
03:47:45,279 --> 03:47:45,600
off?

6001
03:47:45,600 --> 03:47:46,640
>> Makes sense. You

6002
03:47:46,640 --> 03:47:48,880
>> did.

6003
03:47:48,880 --> 03:47:50,080
>> Shut up.

6004
03:47:50,080 --> 03:47:53,120
>> I was laughing at your not at you.

6005
03:47:53,120 --> 03:47:56,080
>> So, where can you point out? Is there a

6006
03:47:56,080 --> 03:47:58,319
map that shows this is the focus growth

6007
03:47:58,319 --> 03:48:00,160
center that we're talking about? The one

6008
03:48:00,160 --> 03:48:01,040
or two.

6009
03:48:01,040 --> 03:48:02,960
>> There there isn't there isn't a

6010
03:48:02,960 --> 03:48:06,239
definitive order. It's kind of just a

6011
03:48:06,239 --> 03:48:08,720
general area like we've got the station

6012
03:48:08,720 --> 03:48:12,319
area which is kind of a a general

6013
03:48:12,319 --> 03:48:14,080
location around that. We've got the

6014
03:48:14,080 --> 03:48:16,239
Benjamin interchange where that's going

6015
03:48:16,239 --> 03:48:18,479
to be there's funding. There's going to

6016
03:48:18,479 --> 03:48:20,560
be changes there. So, it's kind of that

6017
03:48:20,560 --> 03:48:23,199
general, you know, maybe a half mile

6018
03:48:23,199 --> 03:48:24,720
radius

6019
03:48:24,720 --> 03:48:27,279
uh on those three areas within the city.

6020
03:48:27,279 --> 03:48:30,399
>> So, the station and both interchanges.

6021
03:48:30,399 --> 03:48:32,720
Okay.

6022
03:48:32,720 --> 03:48:35,279
basically all three interchanges, right?

6023
03:48:35,279 --> 03:48:36,239
>> Yeah, true.

6024
03:48:36,239 --> 03:48:41,429
>> Try Creek, Center Street, and Benjamin.

6025
03:48:41,439 --> 03:48:43,279
» It does sound like we're going to focus

6026
03:48:43,279 --> 03:48:46,080
our growth there. That's not necessarily

6027
03:48:46,080 --> 03:48:49,269
the

6028
03:48:49,279 --> 03:48:51,279
we're going to study the area to figure

6029
03:48:51,279 --> 03:48:53,359
out what the growth pattern looks like.

6030
03:48:53,359 --> 03:48:54,880
We're not going to focus all our growth

6031
03:48:54,880 --> 03:48:55,680
into these three.

6032
03:48:55,680 --> 03:48:57,279
>> Focus some resources there.

6033
03:48:57,279 --> 03:48:59,040
>> Yeah. To

6034
03:48:59,040 --> 03:49:00,640
>> is that part of the intent?

6035
03:49:00,640 --> 03:49:02,640
>> Yeah. and the and the area around the

6036
03:49:02,640 --> 03:49:04,960
Benjamin exit would be treated

6037
03:49:04,960 --> 03:49:06,560
differently than it would be around the

6038
03:49:06,560 --> 03:49:07,279
station because

6039
03:49:07,279 --> 03:49:09,120
>> sure I get the concept I and I agree

6040
03:49:09,120 --> 03:49:10,399
with it. I

6041
03:49:10,399 --> 03:49:12,560
>> So change the language because you don't

6042
03:49:12,560 --> 03:49:14,239
want to communicate we're going to focus

6043
03:49:14,239 --> 03:49:15,760
growth here like a magnifying glass.

6044
03:49:15,760 --> 03:49:16,160
Correct.

6045
03:49:16,160 --> 03:49:17,760
>> We're going to we're going to study

6046
03:49:17,760 --> 03:49:19,439
studied growth area or something like

6047
03:49:19,439 --> 03:49:19,680
that.

6048
03:49:19,680 --> 03:49:20,560
>> Something like that. Okay.

6049
03:49:20,560 --> 03:49:22,479
>> I get what you're saying and I and I and

6050
03:49:22,479 --> 03:49:24,880
I I I agree with the concept. I think

6051
03:49:24,880 --> 03:49:27,760
part of um

6052
03:49:27,760 --> 03:49:29,120
what is the road that is going to

6053
03:49:29,120 --> 03:49:31,279
connect is it Dry Creek all the way to

6054
03:49:31,279 --> 03:49:32,319
into Spanish Fork?

6055
03:49:32,319 --> 03:49:32,720
>> Yep.

6056
03:49:32,720 --> 03:49:35,439
>> That that corridor that could be a good

6057
03:49:35,439 --> 03:49:38,800
place to study further in a corridor

6058
03:49:38,800 --> 03:49:41,439
level in a more granular way than from a

6059
03:49:41,439 --> 03:49:44,160
land use general plan area. That's what

6060
03:49:44,160 --> 03:49:45,040
you're talking about.

6061
03:49:45,040 --> 03:49:47,120
>> Exactly. And I agree with that. I think

6062
03:49:47,120 --> 03:49:49,600
that solves there are some there are

6063
03:49:49,600 --> 03:49:51,279
some comments that we've gotten that

6064
03:49:51,279 --> 03:49:53,520
will require further study because it's

6065
03:49:53,520 --> 03:49:56,880
way more granular than is appropriate at

6066
03:49:56,880 --> 03:49:58,640
this higher level and those are the

6067
03:49:58,640 --> 03:50:00,880
areas. I'm with you. I'm with you. David

6068
03:50:00,880 --> 03:50:03,840
don't like the term focused. It's just

6069
03:50:03,840 --> 03:50:04,800
>> study maybe.

6070
03:50:04,800 --> 03:50:07,439
>> I'm not married to it. We can change it.

6071
03:50:07,439 --> 03:50:08,960
>> Whatever sounds better.

6072
03:50:08,960 --> 03:50:15,110
>> His middle name is M.

6073
03:50:15,120 --> 03:50:17,199
» Michael. I hope it's Michael.

6074
03:50:17,199 --> 03:50:20,479
>> I hope so.

6075
03:50:20,479 --> 03:50:21,760
>> David,

6076
03:50:21,760 --> 03:50:24,000
>> my middle name, too.

6077
03:50:24,000 --> 03:50:24,560
>> Is it?

6078
03:50:24,560 --> 03:50:25,359
>> Yep.

6079
03:50:25,359 --> 03:50:26,399
>> Shane. Michael Marshall.

6080
03:50:26,399 --> 03:50:27,120
>> My first name.

6081
03:50:27,120 --> 03:50:29,120
>> It's really It's Michael Shane, but

6082
03:50:29,120 --> 03:50:31,680
>> Okay.

6083
03:50:31,680 --> 03:50:33,439
>> Start calling you Michael then.

6084
03:50:33,439 --> 03:50:34,239
>> I won't answer.

6085
03:50:34,239 --> 03:50:35,840
>> Shane. I think you should call him M.

6086
03:50:35,840 --> 03:50:38,319
Shane.

6087
03:50:38,319 --> 03:50:39,199
>> I prefer

6088
03:50:39,199 --> 03:50:40,800
>> Okay. I think that's some good

6089
03:50:40,800 --> 03:50:42,479
direction. And have you got that note to

6090
03:50:42,479 --> 03:50:44,640
that? Maybe that's maybe there's a a

6091
03:50:44,640 --> 03:50:47,439
better word than focus that doesn't

6092
03:50:47,439 --> 03:50:49,680
>> just for the record that's two things

6093
03:50:49,680 --> 03:50:51,040
that I got right today.

6094
03:50:51,040 --> 03:50:53,600
>> I know they're getting

6095
03:50:53,600 --> 03:50:54,399
>> barely

6096
03:50:54,399 --> 03:50:55,439
>> two for eight.

6097
03:50:55,439 --> 03:50:56,560
>> Take a win still.

6098
03:50:56,560 --> 03:50:57,840
>> Take a win.

6099
03:50:57,840 --> 03:50:59,840
Dang it.

6100
03:50:59,840 --> 03:51:02,640
>> You could be a major leager.

6101
03:51:02,640 --> 03:51:03,359
>> Okay.

6102
03:51:03,359 --> 03:51:04,399
>> 250 right now.

6103
03:51:04,399 --> 03:51:08,640
>> Um good good recommendation there.

6104
03:51:08,640 --> 03:51:09,600
What? Uh,

6105
03:51:09,600 --> 03:51:11,120
>> really good at defense.

6106
03:51:11,120 --> 03:51:13,439
>> What's next? That's number three.

6107
03:51:13,439 --> 03:51:15,600
>> My 250 is all home runs.

6108
03:51:15,600 --> 03:51:16,640
>> What's number four?

6109
03:51:16,640 --> 03:51:21,269
>> Also,

6110
03:51:21,279 --> 03:51:25,120
» we probably need to address Richard and

6111
03:51:25,120 --> 03:51:27,600
Joe's comments that we've received in

6112
03:51:27,600 --> 03:51:30,800
the Canyon Creek area.

6113
03:51:30,800 --> 03:51:32,319
>> Yeah, let's talk about that for a little

6114
03:51:32,319 --> 03:51:34,239
bit. knowing that Canyon Creek Parkway

6115
03:51:34,239 --> 03:51:36,880
is going to be

6116
03:51:36,880 --> 03:51:39,040
rerouted and we're going to have that

6117
03:51:39,040 --> 03:51:41,359
new interchange, Dry Creek interchange

6118
03:51:41,359 --> 03:51:43,520
is going to be complete

6119
03:51:43,520 --> 03:51:45,120
soon.

6120
03:51:45,120 --> 03:51:50,239
Does that I mean we've got

6121
03:51:50,239 --> 03:51:51,760
right now we've got commercial, we've

6122
03:51:51,760 --> 03:51:55,520
got gateway. Does that make sense to

6123
03:51:55,520 --> 03:51:57,680
gateway I know is a mix of high density

6124
03:51:57,680 --> 03:52:00,319
and commercial.

6125
03:52:00,319 --> 03:52:01,920
Does it make more sense to just separate

6126
03:52:01,920 --> 03:52:04,640
them and call them out?

6127
03:52:04,640 --> 03:52:07,840
Or are we okay if along Canyon Creek you

6128
03:52:07,840 --> 03:52:10,000
get fourstory

6129
03:52:10,000 --> 03:52:13,040
apartments that run right along? Because

6130
03:52:13,040 --> 03:52:14,800
a designation doesn't mean you have to

6131
03:52:14,800 --> 03:52:17,199
have both, right? If it's it could be

6132
03:52:17,199 --> 03:52:19,439
either or. Meaning if you take a gateway

6133
03:52:19,439 --> 03:52:21,120
section and they decide to put in that

6134
03:52:21,120 --> 03:52:24,160
gateway all high density, then that's

6135
03:52:24,160 --> 03:52:27,040
what you get is all high density.

6136
03:52:27,040 --> 03:52:28,960
Um, we had a discussion that Canyon

6137
03:52:28,960 --> 03:52:36,080
Creek Parkway is is going to be a major route outside of I-15 to get

6138
03:52:36,080 --> 03:52:38,080
north and south once it connects up

6139
03:52:38,080 --> 03:52:40,800
through uh through Springville. Does it

6140
03:52:40,800 --> 03:52:42,800
make more sense to add additional

6141
03:52:42,800 --> 03:52:45,760
commercial instead of gateway along

6142
03:52:45,760 --> 03:52:47,920
Canyon Creek Parkway? I guess that's the

6143
03:52:47,920 --> 03:52:50,800
question I've got.

6144
03:52:50,800 --> 03:52:53,040
>> Add more gateway instead of commercial.

6145
03:52:53,040 --> 03:52:54,080
>> No, change opposite.

6146
03:52:54,080 --> 03:52:56,160
>> Change gateway. add more commercial

6147
03:52:56,160 --> 03:52:58,880
directly in line or

6148
03:52:58,880 --> 03:53:02,560
uh adjacent to Canyon Creek Parkway.

6149
03:53:02,560 --> 03:53:04,800
Right now, Canyon Creek's not I mean

6150
03:53:04,800 --> 03:53:07,199
it's I'd be curious to know from Corey

6151
03:53:07,199 --> 03:53:10,000
or any staff

6152
03:53:10,000 --> 03:53:12,239
what traffic patterns I know back in the

6153
03:53:12,239 --> 03:53:14,880
day when they first created the general

6154
03:53:14,880 --> 03:53:17,760
plan that was not a busy road. But I'd

6155
03:53:17,760 --> 03:53:19,600
be curious to know even now before the

6156
03:53:19,600 --> 03:53:21,199
reroute. Once they get the reroute, it

6157
03:53:21,199 --> 03:53:22,080
will become even more.

6158
03:53:22,080 --> 03:53:23,439
>> I'm gonna send you something right now.

6159
03:53:23,439 --> 03:53:25,840
>> If uh if we're seeing more traffic using

6160
03:53:25,840 --> 03:53:27,279
that road currently,

6161
03:53:27,279 --> 03:53:28,960
>> let me I'm going to send Jack an image.

6162
03:53:28,960 --> 03:53:32,239
I think that can address that question.

6163
03:53:32,239 --> 03:53:34,479
>> Hey, mayor,

6164
03:53:34,479 --> 03:53:37,520
can I take a like another stab at a

6165
03:53:37,520 --> 03:53:38,880
staff directed motion?

6166
03:53:38,880 --> 03:53:41,439
>> Let me let me mark that down.

6167
03:53:41,439 --> 03:53:42,640
>> Maybe this one.

6168
03:53:42,640 --> 03:53:44,239
>> I'm keeping stab marks, too.

6169
03:53:44,239 --> 03:53:46,720
>> Just just one shot. And if you all you

6170
03:53:46,720 --> 03:53:49,680
just shoot me down. I would move that we

6171
03:53:49,680 --> 03:53:56,319
direct staff to start a small area plan for the Canyon Creek

6172
03:53:56,319 --> 03:54:00,319
Dry Creek area so that we can talk about

6173
03:54:00,319 --> 03:54:02,960
that in detail in that context.

6174
03:54:02,960 --> 03:54:04,960
>> Yeah, I I would support that.

6175
03:54:04,960 --> 03:54:06,239
>> Is that a second to my motion?

6176
03:54:06,239 --> 03:54:08,239
>> I would support that. Tell me the the

6177
03:54:08,239 --> 03:54:10,239
location again.

6178
03:54:10,239 --> 03:54:12,560
>> Um Canyon Creek and Dry Creek. I'm not

6179
03:54:12,560 --> 03:54:13,359
sure exactly what the

6180
03:54:13,359 --> 03:54:14,560
>> I just call it all Canyon Creek.

6181
03:54:14,560 --> 03:54:15,680
>> Okay. Colorado Canyon Creek

6182
03:54:15,680 --> 03:54:17,120
>> Canyon Creek area.

6183
03:54:17,120 --> 03:54:17,920
>> I think

6184
03:54:17,920 --> 03:54:18,720
>> that's what it is.

6185
03:54:18,720 --> 03:54:20,800
>> This I think needs a bigger discussion.

6186
03:54:20,800 --> 03:54:22,239
>> I think it need we need to drill down

6187
03:54:22,239 --> 03:54:23,920
right there and really study that. I

6188
03:54:23,920 --> 03:54:26,880
think Richard came with some really good

6189
03:54:26,880 --> 03:54:28,479
information about what that could or

6190
03:54:28,479 --> 03:54:30,239
that may be over there.

6191
03:54:30,239 --> 03:54:31,520
>> We don't want to miss

6192
03:54:31,520 --> 03:54:35,040
>> we can't miss the boat. We can't this is an interchange that's developing

6193
03:54:35,040 --> 03:54:36,399
right now.

6194
03:54:36,399 --> 03:54:38,399
>> And so I my motion would be to direct

6195
03:54:38,399 --> 03:54:40,399
staff to start a small area study for

6196
03:54:40,399 --> 03:54:41,680
that particular area.

6197
03:54:41,680 --> 03:54:42,560
>> I think that's great.

6198
03:54:42,560 --> 03:54:45,120
>> Even if we approve the general it is

6199
03:54:45,120 --> 03:54:46,560
then we can Okay. So

6200
03:54:46,560 --> 03:54:47,600
>> it would be Yes.

6201
03:54:47,600 --> 03:54:49,520
>> Once that's approved, we would do that.

6202
03:54:49,520 --> 03:54:51,199
>> Okay.

6203
03:54:51,199 --> 03:54:53,680
>> Defining it from say Highway 6 to Dry

6204
03:54:53,680 --> 03:54:57,359
Creek Parkway, I-15 to

6205
03:54:57,359 --> 03:54:59,439
>> Highway. Yeah. I would even say to

6206
03:54:59,439 --> 03:55:00,800
Springville, the old Springville

6207
03:55:00,800 --> 03:55:01,279
Highway.

6208
03:55:01,279 --> 03:55:01,840
>> Yep.

6209
03:55:01,840 --> 03:55:03,279
>> I'll Highway 51.

6210
03:55:03,279 --> 03:55:05,680
>> Whatever. Yeah. Whatever's in

6211
03:55:05,680 --> 03:55:07,840
>> Boundary.

6212
03:55:07,840 --> 03:55:09,760
>> Yeah. Okay.

6213
03:55:09,760 --> 03:55:10,960
>> That's a yes for me.

6214
03:55:10,960 --> 03:55:12,000
>> That's a yes.

6215
03:55:12,000 --> 03:55:14,399
>> Well done. I love that one. I love it.

6216
03:55:14,399 --> 03:55:17,600
>> A motion direction from Shane. Seconded

6217
03:55:17,600 --> 03:55:18,080
by

6218
03:55:18,080 --> 03:55:19,199
>> Dell Murphy.

6219
03:55:19,199 --> 03:55:20,479
>> Councilman Oiler.

6220
03:55:20,479 --> 03:55:23,760
>> Where you going?

6221
03:55:23,760 --> 03:55:25,439
>> Um,

6222
03:55:25,439 --> 03:55:26,800
all in favor say yes.

6223
03:55:26,800 --> 03:55:27,520
>> Yes.

6224
03:55:27,520 --> 03:55:29,279
>> It's not a resolution or anything. It's

6225
03:55:29,279 --> 03:55:30,319
just direction.

6226
03:55:30,319 --> 03:55:32,960
>> Okay.

6227
03:55:32,960 --> 03:55:33,760
>> Those were the things I want.

6228
03:55:33,760 --> 03:55:35,120
>> Richard, if I were you, I would go home

6229
03:55:35,120 --> 03:55:44,469
now. I'd get out, run, go to bed fast.

6230
03:55:44,479 --> 03:55:46,080
No, but they have really clear direction

6231
03:55:46,080 --> 03:55:48,560
from us that we want to hone in on that

6232
03:55:48,560 --> 03:55:48,960
>> soon

6233
03:55:48,960 --> 03:55:50,560
>> like pronto.

6234
03:55:50,560 --> 03:55:52,399
>> I think you got worry about the general

6235
03:55:52,399 --> 03:55:55,040
plan being adopted tonight.

6236
03:55:55,040 --> 03:55:56,399
>> He's talking about he wants to talk

6237
03:55:56,399 --> 03:55:59,120
about this area before we have to

6238
03:55:59,120 --> 03:56:01,439
>> Yeah. And I I'm fine with that. Try and

6239
03:56:01,439 --> 03:56:03,520
get it all done at once because there

6240
03:56:03,520 --> 03:56:06,640
that's a big area. So to try and then

6241
03:56:06,640 --> 03:56:10,000
change after the fact might be a little

6242
03:56:10,000 --> 03:56:12,560
more difficult. So it depends on timing.

6243
03:56:12,560 --> 03:56:15,439
If we can if we can get that soon, but I

6244
03:56:15,439 --> 03:56:16,800
don't know how much time staff would

6245
03:56:16,800 --> 03:56:18,160
need and we would need to meet with

6246
03:56:18,160 --> 03:56:20,960
them. Yeah, it might be difficult.

6247
03:56:20,960 --> 03:56:23,359
>> I think that just goes to support the

6248
03:56:23,359 --> 03:56:25,040
whole principle behind the general plan

6249
03:56:25,040 --> 03:56:28,080
is that it can change. So we can do that

6250
03:56:28,080 --> 03:56:30,880
small area study and then we can change

6251
03:56:30,880 --> 03:56:33,279
the land use designations in that area

6252
03:56:33,279 --> 03:56:34,560
based on that study

6253
03:56:34,560 --> 03:56:36,960
>> pretty quickly. And I think if if that's

6254
03:56:36,960 --> 03:56:41,680
not quick enough for Richard, make a

6255
03:56:41,680 --> 03:56:44,319
proposal specific to your site and let's

6256
03:56:44,319 --> 03:56:48,160
have that conversation as a oneoff.

6257
03:56:48,160 --> 03:56:50,160
>> Yeah. You always have that absolutely

6258
03:56:50,160 --> 03:56:56,229
application possibility.

6259
03:56:56,239 --> 03:56:56,880
» Both.

6260
03:56:56,880 --> 03:56:57,600
>> Yes.

6261
03:56:57,600 --> 03:56:58,560
>> Uhhuh.

6262
03:56:58,560 --> 03:56:58,880
>> Yes.

6263
03:56:58,880 --> 03:57:00,319
>> No.

6264
03:57:00,319 --> 03:57:03,520
How do we make that

6265
03:57:03,520 --> 03:57:04,560
>> through the community development

6266
03:57:04,560 --> 03:57:05,040
process?

6267
03:57:05,040 --> 03:57:06,880
>> Development.

6268
03:57:06,880 --> 03:57:08,720
>> So I think what you're describing is a

6269
03:57:08,720 --> 03:57:09,840
general plan amendment.

6270
03:57:09,840 --> 03:57:10,239
>> Yep.

6271
03:57:10,239 --> 03:57:10,800
>> application.

6272
03:57:10,800 --> 03:57:13,120
>> Yep. If if you want us to move quicker,

6273
03:57:13,120 --> 03:57:14,960
that's your prerogative.

6274
03:57:14,960 --> 03:57:16,080
>> But you're talking about the general

6275
03:57:16,080 --> 03:57:18,239
plan amendment on his property, not the

6276
03:57:18,239 --> 03:57:18,880
whole gateway.

6277
03:57:18,880 --> 03:57:19,520
>> Correct.

6278
03:57:19,520 --> 03:57:23,439
>> Yeah. So don't don't worry about

6279
03:57:23,439 --> 03:57:24,800
the shame. It's so weird.

6280
03:57:24,800 --> 03:57:26,800
>> The miles

6281
03:57:26,800 --> 03:57:29,840
two different things. his property.

6282
03:57:29,840 --> 03:57:32,080
>> But in general, my I'm more concerned

6283
03:57:32,080 --> 03:57:32,479
about

6284
03:57:32,479 --> 03:57:34,560
>> I'm with you, too. Generally, I think we

6285
03:57:34,560 --> 03:57:37,040
need to get the general area correct.

6286
03:57:37,040 --> 03:57:37,840
>> Yeah.

6287
03:57:37,840 --> 03:57:40,640
>> And if if that's not fast enough, then I

6288
03:57:40,640 --> 03:57:41,920
think he needs to come back with a

6289
03:57:41,920 --> 03:57:45,199
general plan amendment.

6290
03:57:45,199 --> 03:57:47,840
>> It does.

6291
03:57:47,840 --> 03:57:49,840
>> What we do there would influence what

6292
03:57:49,840 --> 03:57:51,439
you asked for down there.

6293
03:57:51,439 --> 03:57:53,439
>> Yeah.

6294
03:57:53,439 --> 03:58:00,229
>> Yep. Yep.

6295
03:58:00,239 --> 03:58:01,680
Bill, thanks.

6296
03:58:01,680 --> 03:58:04,640
>> Yeah, that's

6297
03:58:04,640 --> 03:58:06,800
>> Sorry, Richard. They they want your they

6298
03:58:06,800 --> 03:58:08,319
want your words on the record that

6299
03:58:08,319 --> 03:58:09,760
you're going to make an application as

6300
03:58:09,760 --> 03:58:12,560
soon as you can to the to the to the

6301
03:58:12,560 --> 03:58:15,840
development or Hartman.

6302
03:58:15,840 --> 03:58:17,040
>> Richard Mendenhal.

6303
03:58:17,040 --> 03:58:19,760
>> Yeah, the other men.

6304
03:58:19,760 --> 03:58:20,399
>> I got you.

6305
03:58:20,399 --> 03:58:21,840
>> Yeah, we'll we'll get something in the

6306
03:58:21,840 --> 03:58:22,640
morning.

6307
03:58:22,640 --> 03:58:25,439
>> Thank you, Richard.

6308
03:58:25,439 --> 03:58:28,319
We

6309
03:58:28,319 --> 03:58:30,080
just real quick discussion. So, we got

6310
03:58:30,080 --> 03:58:31,760
we all got an email recently. The

6311
03:58:31,760 --> 03:58:35,199
council got an email recently about

6312
03:58:35,199 --> 03:58:39,680
the station, Front Runner Station. Um,

6313
03:58:39,680 --> 03:58:42,319
so we've got a station area that's also

6314
03:58:42,319 --> 03:58:44,560
west of I-15. So, I guess the question

6315
03:58:44,560 --> 03:58:46,880
I've got,

6316
03:58:46,880 --> 03:58:48,720
and I don't have an, you know, I'm not

6317
03:58:48,720 --> 03:58:50,160
trying to say one way or another, but

6318
03:58:50,160 --> 03:58:51,520
the question was brought up. Does

6319
03:58:51,520 --> 03:58:54,160
Spanish Fork even want or need a

6320
03:58:54,160 --> 03:58:56,479
station? So, that was the question that

6321
03:58:56,479 --> 03:58:59,760
was brought up. Um, I feel like we ought

6322
03:58:59,760 --> 03:59:02,080
to at least discuss it.

6323
03:59:02,080 --> 03:59:04,000
I know we've had discussions about

6324
03:59:04,000 --> 03:59:06,160
possibly trying to get it in a different

6325
03:59:06,160 --> 03:59:08,560
location and move it up in in this area

6326
03:59:08,560 --> 03:59:11,040
that we're looking at here. Shane, I

6327
03:59:11,040 --> 03:59:13,199
don't know if you've had any opportunity

6328
03:59:13,199 --> 03:59:15,040
at this point to talk to Springville.

6329
03:59:15,040 --> 03:59:16,399
>> Nope.

6330
03:59:16,399 --> 03:59:19,600
>> One very brief conversation

6331
03:59:19,600 --> 03:59:21,439
18 months ago, maybe. Mike.

6332
03:59:21,439 --> 03:59:22,239
>> Mhm.

6333
03:59:22,239 --> 03:59:25,920
>> And it was not wellreceived at the time.

6334
03:59:25,920 --> 03:59:30,150
>> Yeah.

6335
03:59:30,160 --> 03:59:33,359
In my in my opinion, from what I've and

6336
03:59:33,359 --> 03:59:35,359
you guys can chime in to where what

6337
03:59:35,359 --> 03:59:37,120
you've felt around your discussions

6338
03:59:37,120 --> 03:59:40,560
there, but um I think it would be

6339
03:59:40,560 --> 03:59:43,600
shortsighted for us to to just say,

6340
03:59:43,600 --> 03:59:46,000
"Okay, so

6341
03:59:46,000 --> 03:59:48,080
Springville's not going to move theirs

6342
03:59:48,080 --> 03:59:50,479
south closer to maybe some stuff that we

6343
03:59:50,479 --> 03:59:52,560
think would be good and because it might

6344
03:59:52,560 --> 03:59:53,760
not be good for them. they've been

6345
03:59:53,760 --> 03:59:57,680
planning for it in a different place and have made some plans around it. So,

6346
03:59:57,680 --> 03:59:59,120
you can't fault them

6347
03:59:59,120 --> 04:00:01,760
>> for that. But I don't think I think it

6348
04:00:01,760 --> 04:00:05,520
would it would be um shortsighted for us

6349
04:00:05,520 --> 04:00:09,279
for our residents to say then it then it

6350
04:00:09,279 --> 04:00:10,960
doesn't belong here, you know, have one

6351
04:00:10,960 --> 04:00:12,399
in PAC. I I think

6352
04:00:12,399 --> 04:00:15,279
>> so. Let me be the devil's advocate. If

6353
04:00:15,279 --> 04:00:18,239
I'm a resident that doesn't want a

6354
04:00:18,239 --> 04:00:21,520
station, help me or explain to me why

6355
04:00:21,520 --> 04:00:23,359
that's good for Spanish Fork to have a

6356
04:00:23,359 --> 04:00:24,960
station.

6357
04:00:24,960 --> 04:00:26,960
Why why do we need one in Spanish for?

6358
04:00:26,960 --> 04:00:28,960
How do how do we as residents benefit

6359
04:00:28,960 --> 04:00:30,960
from that?

6360
04:00:30,960 --> 04:00:32,640
>> Well, a couple different ways. The way

6361
04:00:32,640 --> 04:00:35,279
I've explained it to some people is who

6362
04:00:35,279 --> 04:00:37,359
do you know that goes over to Provo and

6363
04:00:37,359 --> 04:00:41,439
rides up to Salt Lake or Lehi now on the

6364
04:00:41,439 --> 04:00:44,720
train? Do you know anybody? I know some

6365
04:00:44,720 --> 04:00:46,399
of your neighbors that do. Some of my

6366
04:00:46,399 --> 04:00:48,160
neighbors that do.

6367
04:00:48,160 --> 04:00:49,760
>> So, they currently get on the freeway

6368
04:00:49,760 --> 04:00:51,680
early in the morning, drive over Provo

6369
04:00:51,680 --> 04:00:52,399
to do that.

6370
04:00:52,399 --> 04:00:55,520
>> I work at New Skin and I know employees

6371
04:00:55,520 --> 04:00:57,680
and co-workers that ride the train to

6372
04:00:57,680 --> 04:00:59,279
get to work in Provo

6373
04:00:59,279 --> 04:01:01,680
>> because there's a stop there.

6374
04:01:01,680 --> 04:01:02,160
>> No,

6375
04:01:02,160 --> 04:01:03,359
>> you can't do that from here.

6376
04:01:03,359 --> 04:01:04,800
>> From the north.

6377
04:01:04,800 --> 04:01:05,920
>> Yes. So, they they're coming down

6378
04:01:05,920 --> 04:01:07,840
>> from the north coming down to go to

6379
04:01:07,840 --> 04:01:12,880
work. Yes. I think I think the simplest answer I could give I think

6380
04:01:12,880 --> 04:01:16,160
is the number one survey problem we had

6381
04:01:16,160 --> 04:01:17,520
was traffic

6382
04:01:17,520 --> 04:01:19,120
>> always

6383
04:01:19,120 --> 04:01:23,439
>> and I think a big chunk of that

6384
04:01:23,439 --> 04:01:26,479
discontent is US6

6385
04:01:26,479 --> 04:01:29,760
a station a access to transit whether

6386
04:01:29,760 --> 04:01:32,319
it's a station or light rail whatever it

6387
04:01:32,319 --> 04:01:34,880
is access to transit will alleviate some

6388
04:01:34,880 --> 04:01:36,880
of that congestion.

6389
04:01:36,880 --> 04:01:39,199
So, you're going to get people on on a

6390
04:01:39,199 --> 04:01:42,880
mass transit system out of their cars,

6391
04:01:42,880 --> 04:01:45,439
whether they walk or bike to it, and

6392
04:01:45,439 --> 04:01:49,199
alleviate some congestion. We can't

6393
04:01:49,199 --> 04:01:52,080
We're not going to build enough highways

6394
04:01:52,080 --> 04:01:54,880
to satisfy the demand that is going to

6395
04:01:54,880 --> 04:01:57,920
be in South Utah County. We need an

6396
04:01:57,920 --> 04:02:00,399
alternative to that, and that's transit.

6397
04:02:00,399 --> 04:02:03,279
>> So, let me ask another question

6398
04:02:03,279 --> 04:02:04,399
>> and this is a good one.

6399
04:02:04,399 --> 04:02:05,279
>> It's from a highway guy.

6400
04:02:05,279 --> 04:02:07,120
>> This is a good one for you.

6401
04:02:07,120 --> 04:02:08,720
I would I would expect he was going to

6402
04:02:08,720 --> 04:02:10,160
do something a little more green than

6403
04:02:10,160 --> 04:02:10,720
that.

6404
04:02:10,720 --> 04:02:13,279
>> Who pays for UT? Who pays for UTA? How

6405
04:02:13,279 --> 04:02:16,160
do they get funding to build a station?

6406
04:02:16,160 --> 04:02:16,560
>> Um,

6407
04:02:16,560 --> 04:02:18,160
>> where does that funding come from? The

6408
04:02:18,160 --> 04:02:21,199
taxpayers. Only the taxpayers that live

6409
04:02:21,199 --> 04:02:22,960
adjacent to the UTA front runner

6410
04:02:22,960 --> 04:02:24,000
station, right?

6411
04:02:24,000 --> 04:02:25,760
>> No.

6412
04:02:25,760 --> 04:02:26,960
>> All of you.

6413
04:02:26,960 --> 04:02:30,319
>> So, as a resident right now, I'm paying

6414
04:02:30,319 --> 04:02:30,800
quarter.

6415
04:02:30,800 --> 04:02:32,720
>> No. So, as a resident, I don't know how

6416
04:02:32,720 --> 04:02:34,960
long Front Runner's been around, but I

6417
04:02:34,960 --> 04:02:37,600
I've paid for Front Runner,

6418
04:02:37,600 --> 04:02:38,319
>> but

6419
04:02:38,319 --> 04:02:40,080
>> I don't have access to Front Runner. So,

6420
04:02:40,080 --> 04:02:41,040
how is that fair to me?

6421
04:02:41,040 --> 04:02:42,399
>> You got four or five buses,

6422
04:02:42,399 --> 04:02:42,640
>> right?

6423
04:02:42,640 --> 04:02:43,760
>> I think there are 4%.

6424
04:02:43,760 --> 04:02:46,399
>> And so, by having a station in your

6425
04:02:46,399 --> 04:02:48,160
city, you're actually benefiting from

6426
04:02:48,160 --> 04:02:49,840
taxes that you've paid for years.

6427
04:02:49,840 --> 04:02:50,239
>> For sure.

6428
04:02:50,239 --> 04:02:51,199
>> For UTA, right?

6429
04:02:51,199 --> 04:02:53,760
>> For sure. So, one look at it.

6430
04:02:53,760 --> 04:02:55,439
>> I' I'd have to look, but I think in

6431
04:02:55,439 --> 04:02:57,760
Spanish Fork there's a decent maybe a

6432
04:02:57,760 --> 04:02:59,600
full percent and maybe a percent and a

6433
04:02:59,600 --> 04:03:02,080
quarter to a percent and a half of our

6434
04:03:02,080 --> 04:03:04,479
sales tax goes there. I can find it, but

6435
04:03:04,479 --> 04:03:06,479
not this quickly. It's a decent amount

6436
04:03:06,479 --> 04:03:08,399
and it's across

6437
04:03:08,399 --> 04:03:10,080
all of

6438
04:03:10,080 --> 04:03:12,560
>> So, we could have a nice bus route and

6439
04:03:12,560 --> 04:03:14,239
Springville could have their station and

6440
04:03:14,239 --> 04:03:16,560
PAC could have their station and we and

6441
04:03:16,560 --> 04:03:18,720
Spanish 4 can subsidize those stations

6442
04:03:18,720 --> 04:03:20,160
and keep our bus route.

6443
04:03:20,160 --> 04:03:23,040
>> Yeah. But in reality, we're paying for

6444
04:03:23,040 --> 04:03:24,479
it. Why not have it?

6445
04:03:24,479 --> 04:03:26,239
>> Yeah. And in in in maybe terms of

6446
04:03:26,239 --> 04:03:28,399
numbers in Spanish for we get a little

6447
04:03:28,399 --> 04:03:32,000
bit less than 1% in sales tax. Uh

6448
04:03:32,000 --> 04:03:33,840
there's 1% that's allocated, but we

6449
04:03:33,840 --> 04:03:35,279
don't because of the way the formula

6450
04:03:35,279 --> 04:03:37,840
works. We don't get the full percent. Um

6451
04:03:37,840 --> 04:03:39,600
and actually getting less than a full

6452
04:03:39,600 --> 04:03:42,560
percent is a good thing. Um I can

6453
04:03:42,560 --> 04:03:44,399
explain that later, but you just have to

6454
04:03:44,399 --> 04:03:46,960
trust me. A full percent equals in

6455
04:03:46,960 --> 04:03:50,319
Spanish work about $15 million a year.

6456
04:03:50,319 --> 04:03:54,960
So we're sending to UTA that amount

6457
04:03:54,960 --> 04:03:57,520
probably a little bit more for the

6458
04:03:57,520 --> 04:03:59,199
services that we are or are not getting.

6459
04:03:59,199 --> 04:04:00,880
So to your point maybe to put a dollar

6460
04:04:00,880 --> 04:04:02,560
amount to what that maybe looks like.

6461
04:04:02,560 --> 04:04:04,000
It's a decent chunk of money.

6462
04:04:04,000 --> 04:04:05,199
>> Yeah, it's a good amount.

6463
04:04:05,199 --> 04:04:07,520
>> I think also to remind our residents

6464
04:04:07,520 --> 04:04:11,760
that in the next what 35 years 30 years

6465
04:04:11,760 --> 04:04:15,120
our county is expected to double and a

6466
04:04:15,120 --> 04:04:16,399
lot of that's going to have to be South

6467
04:04:16,399 --> 04:04:18,239
County. I don't think people are just

6468
04:04:18,239 --> 04:04:20,640
going to be thinking, oh, let's go north

6469
04:04:20,640 --> 04:04:22,560
also going south,

6470
04:04:22,560 --> 04:04:25,520
>> but we're gonna we're going to need

6471
04:04:25,520 --> 04:04:26,080
>> transit

6472
04:04:26,080 --> 04:04:27,600
>> primarily down here, won't it? I mean,

6473
04:04:27,600 --> 04:04:29,279
you think about here from south, right?

6474
04:04:29,279 --> 04:04:30,720
The cities that are growing and that's

6475
04:04:30,720 --> 04:04:32,399
primarily, I think, the focus that's

6476
04:04:32,399 --> 04:04:32,960
going to go.

6477
04:04:32,960 --> 04:04:35,199
>> Yeah. I think it's also important to

6478
04:04:35,199 --> 04:04:37,520
note that that front runner stop,

6479
04:04:37,520 --> 04:04:39,279
wherever it is, whether it's north or

6480
04:04:39,279 --> 04:04:42,000
center or south, wherever it might be,

6481
04:04:42,000 --> 04:04:45,760
the the impetus of putting a stop there,

6482
04:04:45,760 --> 04:04:48,160
isn't because of our station area plan.

6483
04:04:48,160 --> 04:04:51,279
That's not what's driving the need for a

6484
04:04:51,279 --> 04:04:52,479
station in Spanish for

6485
04:04:52,479 --> 04:04:53,840
>> Good point.

6486
04:04:53,840 --> 04:04:55,359
>> The

6487
04:04:55,359 --> 04:04:59,279
transportation in South Utah County

6488
04:04:59,279 --> 04:05:02,640
>> is driving the need for transit.

6489
04:05:02,640 --> 04:05:05,600
So it's yeah it's not because we did a

6490
04:05:05,600 --> 04:05:07,120
plan or didn't do a plan. It's because

6491
04:05:07,120 --> 04:05:09,199
there is because there's a need for it.

6492
04:05:09,199 --> 04:05:11,760
>> Yep. Also

6493
04:05:11,760 --> 04:05:14,720
there probably is a higher need today

6494
04:05:14,720 --> 04:05:17,359
for one in PAC because they have access

6495
04:05:17,359 --> 04:05:21,439
to it. They they have developed way too

6496
04:05:21,439 --> 04:05:23,600
far in advance, right? And they need it.

6497
04:05:23,600 --> 04:05:25,279
So there is a decent chance that we

6498
04:05:25,279 --> 04:05:27,199
don't have one for a little bit of time

6499
04:05:27,199 --> 04:05:29,920
because we'll grow into it and when when

6500
04:05:29,920 --> 04:05:31,920
in fact it makes sense then we will have

6501
04:05:31,920 --> 04:05:33,040
a station. But

6502
04:05:33,040 --> 04:05:36,800
>> I start to think of the the the work

6503
04:05:36,800 --> 04:05:40,880
that has been put in for employment

6504
04:05:40,880 --> 04:05:43,359
places of employment in South Utah

6505
04:05:43,359 --> 04:05:46,399
County has centered in our city. Yes,

6506
04:05:46,399 --> 04:05:48,960
there's there's there's, you know,

6507
04:05:48,960 --> 04:05:51,680
probably ahead of our game around the

6508
04:05:51,680 --> 04:05:54,160
freeway, more living in other

6509
04:05:54,160 --> 04:05:56,160
communities,

6510
04:05:56,160 --> 04:05:58,640
but the employment,

6511
04:05:58,640 --> 04:06:00,720
we've been the place where that is. And

6512
04:06:00,720 --> 04:06:03,279
to your point, people taking

6513
04:06:03,279 --> 04:06:06,160
>> the train south to get to employment,

6514
04:06:06,160 --> 04:06:09,120
there's going to be a time where if you

6515
04:06:09,120 --> 04:06:11,120
know, we're always worried about what am

6516
04:06:11,120 --> 04:06:13,760
I going to hit going north on I-15, but

6517
04:06:13,760 --> 04:06:16,399
you're hitting traffic south on I-15.

6518
04:06:16,399 --> 04:06:17,920
All those people getting home

6519
04:06:17,920 --> 04:06:19,920
>> and those people Yeah. getting home.

6520
04:06:19,920 --> 04:06:22,319
But, you know, the next phase of this is

6521
04:06:22,319 --> 04:06:25,279
the employment that we've that we've

6522
04:06:25,279 --> 04:06:28,000
nurtured and grown and and and I would

6523
04:06:28,000 --> 04:06:31,279
say uh you know, made the investments to

6524
04:06:31,279 --> 04:06:33,600
grow are not just going to be people

6525
04:06:33,600 --> 04:06:35,359
right in our community working either.

6526
04:06:35,359 --> 04:06:37,120
We hope that's most of it, but you're

6527
04:06:37,120 --> 04:06:38,319
going to have people I think

6528
04:06:38,319 --> 04:06:39,359
>> community indoor city

6529
04:06:39,359 --> 04:06:41,520
>> commuting into our city that didn't

6530
04:06:41,520 --> 04:06:42,160
before.

6531
04:06:42,160 --> 04:06:42,560
>> Yep.

6532
04:06:42,560 --> 04:06:45,520
>> So, I guess on Go ahead, you can. Um, so

6533
04:06:45,520 --> 04:06:48,560
I ran into our friend Eric, the school

6534
04:06:48,560 --> 04:06:51,199
teacher up at the junior high, and he's

6535
04:06:51,199 --> 04:06:54,560
like, "I watched city council, and what

6536
04:06:54,560 --> 04:06:56,319
you said about moving the station north

6537
04:06:56,319 --> 04:06:59,279
makes no sense at all to me, Shane. What

6538
04:06:59,279 --> 04:07:00,720
are you thinking?" That was a good

6539
04:07:00,720 --> 04:07:03,680
question because it it sounds sort of

6540
04:07:03,680 --> 04:07:06,160
odd for me to be saying I'd like to see

6541
04:07:06,160 --> 04:07:08,720
it moved because from a transportation

6542
04:07:08,720 --> 04:07:10,720
specific only, it makes probably a ton

6543
04:07:10,720 --> 04:07:13,840
of sense, etc. My point to him is from a

6544
04:07:13,840 --> 04:07:16,000
pragmatic approach,

6545
04:07:16,000 --> 04:07:18,000
the lift to get a station at Center

6546
04:07:18,000 --> 04:07:21,279
Street is so great financially that it's

6547
04:07:21,279 --> 04:07:23,199
going to be a very long time before we

6548
04:07:23,199 --> 04:07:24,399
can take advantage of what you just

6549
04:07:24,399 --> 04:07:26,640
talked about, Kevin, our contribution to

6550
04:07:26,640 --> 04:07:29,199
the system. And the lift to put it on

6551
04:07:29,199 --> 04:07:32,399
the north end is much much smaller, much

6552
04:07:32,399 --> 04:07:36,399
smaller. And we have active development

6553
04:07:36,399 --> 04:07:38,880
talk talks on the north end that can

6554
04:07:38,880 --> 04:07:41,920
accommodate and could use

6555
04:07:41,920 --> 04:07:44,479
that station to help that development

6556
04:07:44,479 --> 04:07:48,000
thrive. So, yes, it may not be the

6557
04:07:48,000 --> 04:07:50,479
perfect location, but it happens

6558
04:07:50,479 --> 04:07:52,800
quicker. It's in a good location with

6559
04:07:52,800 --> 04:07:54,640
great access. And it's like, okay, I get

6560
04:07:54,640 --> 04:07:56,399
it. As long as you can get me there on a

6561
04:07:56,399 --> 04:07:57,520
bike, I'm fine,

6562
04:07:57,520 --> 04:07:58,560
>> which I love about

6563
04:07:58,560 --> 04:07:59,439
>> that's legit.

6564
04:07:59,439 --> 04:08:01,279
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what I love

6565
04:08:01,279 --> 04:08:03,040
about the current location is you could

6566
04:08:03,040 --> 04:08:05,520
easily tie into our trail system very

6567
04:08:05,520 --> 04:08:05,840
easily.

6568
04:08:05,840 --> 04:08:07,439
>> And that was his point is that it's way

6569
04:08:07,439 --> 04:08:08,800
easier to get to it on Center Street

6570
04:08:08,800 --> 04:08:10,479
than it is on the north end of town.

6571
04:08:10,479 --> 04:08:13,680
Okay, let's solve the bike problem,

6572
04:08:13,680 --> 04:08:16,319
which is a much smaller lift than a $150

6573
04:08:16,319 --> 04:08:17,520
million interchange.

6574
04:08:17,520 --> 04:08:21,439
>> Right. So, I guess my next thought would

6575
04:08:21,439 --> 04:08:24,720
be then if UTA is designating a need, if

6576
04:08:24,720 --> 04:08:27,199
they're saying there is or will be a

6577
04:08:27,199 --> 04:08:28,880
need

6578
04:08:28,880 --> 04:08:30,560
uh at some point in the future. It could

6579
04:08:30,560 --> 04:08:32,319
be 20 years from now, right? We don't

6580
04:08:32,319 --> 04:08:34,479
know. But if they're designating a need

6581
04:08:34,479 --> 04:08:37,120
and it they're saying it it will happen

6582
04:08:37,120 --> 04:08:40,800
eventually, what do we as a city then do

6583
04:08:40,800 --> 04:08:42,880
to make for make sure that wherever that

6584
04:08:42,880 --> 04:08:45,520
location ends up being is the most

6585
04:08:45,520 --> 04:08:48,399
successful for a station, right? And I

6586
04:08:48,399 --> 04:08:51,120
think that's the reason behind

6587
04:08:51,120 --> 04:08:51,680
>> stationary

6588
04:08:51,680 --> 04:08:52,720
>> the stationary plan. I

6589
04:08:52,720 --> 04:08:56,239
>> I agree with that completely. My my only

6590
04:08:56,239 --> 04:09:00,479
push back is until they make a decision

6591
04:09:00,479 --> 04:09:02,960
where it goes, it's still speculative.

6592
04:09:02,960 --> 04:09:04,319
They're going to make one, right?

6593
04:09:04,319 --> 04:09:06,080
>> And then once they do, we have an

6594
04:09:06,080 --> 04:09:07,840
obligation to plan around it, for sure.

6595
04:09:07,840 --> 04:09:09,520
>> Right. So, similar to our whole west of

6596
04:09:09,520 --> 04:09:12,319
I-15 discussion, how do you

6597
04:09:12,319 --> 04:09:14,160
>> tie those two together? Yep. But they've

6598
04:09:14,160 --> 04:09:16,800
spent I mean, haven't hasn't our

6599
04:09:16,800 --> 04:09:18,880
taxpayer dollars been spent quite a bit

6600
04:09:18,880 --> 04:09:20,880
studying a center street interchange?

6601
04:09:20,880 --> 04:09:21,920
>> They have.

6602
04:09:21,920 --> 04:09:23,279
>> Buying some property, buying some

6603
04:09:23,279 --> 04:09:24,399
rideway

6604
04:09:24,399 --> 04:09:26,560
>> for the center street interchange. Yes.

6605
04:09:26,560 --> 04:09:26,960
>> Good.

6606
04:09:26,960 --> 04:09:28,160
>> So,

6607
04:09:28,160 --> 04:09:29,760
>> for the station location? No.

6608
04:09:29,760 --> 04:09:32,080
>> But then they're they're really three

6609
04:09:32,080 --> 04:09:33,439
separate things. You could get the

6610
04:09:33,439 --> 04:09:36,160
center street interchange but still not

6611
04:09:36,160 --> 04:09:37,359
have a station.

6612
04:09:37,359 --> 04:09:38,640
>> The center street interchange is not

6613
04:09:38,640 --> 04:09:39,439
dependent on the station.

6614
04:09:39,439 --> 04:09:41,680
>> It's not. And so, so if you've

6615
04:09:41,680 --> 04:09:43,600
designated a certain piece of ground in

6616
04:09:43,600 --> 04:09:46,399
our general plan as a station

6617
04:09:46,399 --> 04:09:48,239
and we get the Center Street

6618
04:09:48,239 --> 04:09:50,160
Interchange, which now says, "Okay, now

6619
04:09:50,160 --> 04:09:52,399
we've got the access west of I-15. Let's

6620
04:09:52,399 --> 04:09:55,279
move forward with development, but we've

6621
04:09:55,279 --> 04:09:57,439
designated a station area, which is

6622
04:09:57,439 --> 04:09:59,040
super high density, but then what if

6623
04:09:59,040 --> 04:10:01,199
that station doesn't end up being where

6624
04:10:01,199 --> 04:10:03,279
we've designated?"

6625
04:10:03,279 --> 04:10:06,000
>> That's another council, another day.

6626
04:10:06,000 --> 04:10:07,600
>> Yeah.

6627
04:10:07,600 --> 04:10:09,520
I think we can only do our That's

6628
04:10:09,520 --> 04:10:10,319
way closer to

6629
04:10:10,319 --> 04:10:12,880
>> Wow, that works in there now. Yeah,

6630
04:10:12,880 --> 04:10:15,439
>> we can only do our best, right? And and

6631
04:10:15,439 --> 04:10:17,199
I think that it's

6632
04:10:17,199 --> 04:10:19,040
>> I think the work that has been done on

6633
04:10:19,040 --> 04:10:22,000
the station area plan itself is portable

6634
04:10:22,000 --> 04:10:24,960
depending on the location. It's not that

6635
04:10:24,960 --> 04:10:27,600
hard to take what they've done from a

6636
04:10:27,600 --> 04:10:29,600
conceptual standpoint and move it to the

6637
04:10:29,600 --> 04:10:32,239
place that UTA finally designates. So, I

6638
04:10:32,239 --> 04:10:34,080
don't think any of that's lost.

6639
04:10:34,080 --> 04:10:35,600
>> And and I think that the Center Street

6640
04:10:35,600 --> 04:10:39,040
interchange is absolutely needed to help

6641
04:10:39,040 --> 04:10:44,319
with our Main Street problem, right? Um

6642
04:10:44,319 --> 04:10:47,920
my my point of all this is,

6643
04:10:47,920 --> 04:10:49,520
you know, I did I did a ton of work up

6644
04:10:49,520 --> 04:10:51,680
in Davis County and there were there

6645
04:10:51,680 --> 04:10:53,840
were cities up along the up along the

6646
04:10:53,840 --> 04:10:56,720
entire section of I-15 that said, "We

6647
04:10:56,720 --> 04:10:58,720
want this or we want that or do this or

6648
04:10:58,720 --> 04:11:01,199
do that." and their city council said,

6649
04:11:01,199 --> 04:11:03,120
"We know. We we understand that it's not

6650
04:11:03,120 --> 04:11:05,600
our decision to make. We get that. It's

6651
04:11:05,600 --> 04:11:06,960
the state of Utah. You're going to make

6652
04:11:06,960 --> 04:11:10,720
the decision. Here is a document that we

6653
04:11:10,720 --> 04:11:12,720
said this is the direction we want you

6654
04:11:12,720 --> 04:11:15,040
to go. If you can accommodate it,

6655
04:11:15,040 --> 04:11:16,800
perfect. If you can't, we understand,

6656
04:11:16,800 --> 04:11:18,399
but we're going to direct you to do

6657
04:11:18,399 --> 04:11:20,640
something. You study it. You tell us you

6658
04:11:20,640 --> 04:11:23,040
can't or you can't." We have not done

6659
04:11:23,040 --> 04:11:24,560
that.

6660
04:11:24,560 --> 04:11:27,760
I would like for us to to do that to UTA

6661
04:11:27,760 --> 04:11:30,720
to say we've looked at it. We've studied

6662
04:11:30,720 --> 04:11:34,800
this enough. We want you to go here, here,

6663
04:11:34,800 --> 04:11:36,960
focus on it, and move forward. They

6664
04:11:36,960 --> 04:11:38,000
haven't even started the environmental

6665
04:11:38,000 --> 04:11:39,680
work, right? It's all been planning to

6666
04:11:39,680 --> 04:11:42,479
this point. There's tons of work to do.

6667
04:11:42,479 --> 04:11:44,960
But if we're comfortable, if if we're

6668
04:11:44,960 --> 04:11:46,720
all good at center, I understand that

6669
04:11:46,720 --> 04:11:50,000
completely. But let's articulate that to

6670
04:11:50,000 --> 04:11:52,960
the people the to the decision makers so

6671
04:11:52,960 --> 04:11:55,680
that they know what to focus on

6672
04:11:55,680 --> 04:11:58,319
or tell us why they can't somewhere

6673
04:11:58,319 --> 04:11:58,960
else.

6674
04:11:58,960 --> 04:11:59,359
>> Yeah.

6675
04:11:59,359 --> 04:12:02,560
>> And force them like this. I get there,

6676
04:12:02,560 --> 04:12:04,319
you know, it's too close. I understand

6677
04:12:04,319 --> 04:12:05,520
that. And there'll be people that I'll

6678
04:12:05,520 --> 04:12:06,880
get an email tomorrow saying it's too

6679
04:12:06,880 --> 04:12:09,120
close. Doesn't make sense. And I get

6680
04:12:09,120 --> 04:12:12,000
that the train's not going to be going

6681
04:12:12,000 --> 04:12:13,600
70 miles an hour from Springville to

6682
04:12:13,600 --> 04:12:15,520
Spanish Fork regardless of it's at the

6683
04:12:15,520 --> 04:12:17,279
North End or Center Street. It's not

6684
04:12:17,279 --> 04:12:19,840
going to. So, it's going to slow down.

6685
04:12:19,840 --> 04:12:22,399
It's got to stop somewhere. Why not stop

6686
04:12:22,399 --> 04:12:25,680
in five years instead of 25 years or 20

6687
04:12:25,680 --> 04:12:28,399
years? Why not access that opportunity

6688
04:12:28,399 --> 04:12:31,760
sooner and let us develop around it in a

6689
04:12:31,760 --> 04:12:33,760
way that makes a ton of sense today?

6690
04:12:33,760 --> 04:12:34,960
>> Because they'll tell you they'll tell

6691
04:12:34,960 --> 04:12:36,800
you they don't when are they going to

6692
04:12:36,800 --> 04:12:38,160
buy that land?

6693
04:12:38,160 --> 04:12:39,680
>> Have to develop around it or are they

6694
04:12:39,680 --> 04:12:41,520
going to buy it as a farm field?

6695
04:12:41,520 --> 04:12:42,720
>> And do they have the money? Are they

6696
04:12:42,720 --> 04:12:44,479
going to do Springvilles and ours and be

6697
04:12:44,479 --> 04:12:45,600
like, "Yeah, we just have enough money

6698
04:12:45,600 --> 04:12:46,560
to do both."

6699
04:12:46,560 --> 04:12:48,000
>> More than likely, they'll go to FTA and

6700
04:12:48,000 --> 04:12:50,160
say, "We want a line from Bacon to Span

6701
04:12:50,160 --> 04:12:52,880
or from Provo to BAS and there's three

6702
04:12:52,880 --> 04:12:54,640
stops along the way."

6703
04:12:54,640 --> 04:12:58,399
>> That's that would be the goal.

6704
04:12:58,399 --> 04:13:00,479
>> If they if they move forward today,

6705
04:13:00,479 --> 04:13:02,080
there would not be a stop at Center

6706
04:13:02,080 --> 04:13:03,920
Street. It would not get constructed.

6707
04:13:03,920 --> 04:13:06,159
There's no way to get to it.

6708
04:13:06,159 --> 04:13:06,640
>> Period.

6709
04:13:06,640 --> 04:13:06,880
>> Yeah.

6710
04:13:06,880 --> 04:13:07,279
>> Right.

6711
04:13:07,279 --> 04:13:08,239
>> Yeah. Yeah.

6712
04:13:08,239 --> 04:13:09,840
>> So we would be out

6713
04:13:09,840 --> 04:13:11,040
>> access

6714
04:13:11,040 --> 04:13:12,640
>> until such time that the interchange is

6715
04:13:12,640 --> 04:13:14,319
built and then they put the station.

6716
04:13:14,319 --> 04:13:16,159
>> Yeah.

6717
04:13:16,159 --> 04:13:18,159
>> Which is I think why some of our

6718
04:13:18,159 --> 04:13:21,680
planning documents are saying hey boy

6719
04:13:21,680 --> 04:13:23,359
would you know this would this this is

6720
04:13:23,359 --> 04:13:25,840
where it would go if that was to to to

6721
04:13:25,840 --> 04:13:28,880
happen. Um but it it is the it's the

6722
04:13:28,880 --> 04:13:31,840
chicken and the egg argument%.

6723
04:13:31,840 --> 04:13:35,910
>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

6724
04:13:35,920 --> 04:13:36,640
» This one's done.

6725
04:13:36,640 --> 04:13:40,319
>> Nothing concrete change.

6726
04:13:40,319 --> 04:13:45,600
>> Again, that's a I think that's a future discussion in in the general plan

6727
04:13:45,600 --> 04:13:48,080
when the general plan changes

6728
04:13:48,080 --> 04:13:52,239
and um you know and and and we get more

6729
04:13:52,239 --> 04:13:54,159
clarity on on a on a few different

6730
04:13:54,159 --> 04:13:57,990
things there.

6731
04:13:58,000 --> 04:13:59,760
Okay,

6732
04:13:59,760 --> 04:14:01,439
we've made a couple of directions. Any

6733
04:14:01,439 --> 04:14:04,159
more directions that people have burning

6734
04:14:04,159 --> 04:14:05,120
in their bosom?

6735
04:14:05,120 --> 04:14:07,840
>> I think I'm done. I think I

6736
04:14:07,840 --> 04:14:08,640
>> I think we've got

6737
04:14:08,640 --> 04:14:09,760
>> shared everything I

6738
04:14:09,760 --> 04:14:10,159
>> Okay.

6739
04:14:10,159 --> 04:14:17,110
>> had on my list.

6740
04:14:17,120 --> 04:14:18,960
» Questions. Do you have any questions for

6741
04:14:18,960 --> 04:14:23,520
us, David, of what we've discussed?

6742
04:14:23,520 --> 04:14:26,319
>> Uh I think going back to your fir the

6743
04:14:26,319 --> 04:14:29,040
first motion that was made about the the

6744
04:14:29,040 --> 04:14:33,359
map. Um, is there specific

6745
04:14:33,359 --> 04:14:36,319
uh text or

6746
04:14:36,319 --> 04:14:40,800
narrative that you would want to include

6747
04:14:40,800 --> 04:14:44,080
that isn't already in the document or

6748
04:14:44,080 --> 04:14:46,720
that would further explain kind of the

6749
04:14:46,720 --> 04:14:48,800
purpose behind that map?

6750
04:14:48,800 --> 04:14:51,279
>> I think the the text would be simply

6751
04:14:51,279 --> 04:14:53,279
just identifying what the map is and

6752
04:14:53,279 --> 04:14:55,279
that it's taking the maps from whatever

6753
04:14:55,279 --> 04:14:56,960
exhibit and this one and putting them

6754
04:14:56,960 --> 04:14:58,560
together so that you can see the

6755
04:14:58,560 --> 04:15:00,560
overlay. It would seem that the person

6756
04:15:00,560 --> 04:15:02,080
that made the motion could come up with

6757
04:15:02,080 --> 04:15:05,040
some generic text for you.

6758
04:15:05,040 --> 04:15:06,960
>> But I also he also gets paid to do that.

6759
04:15:06,960 --> 04:15:08,239
So

6760
04:15:08,239 --> 04:15:08,960
>> yeah,

6761
04:15:08,960 --> 04:15:10,800
>> Chad GPT does it for you. So

6762
04:15:10,800 --> 04:15:12,159
>> just do the same thing, dude.

6763
04:15:12,159 --> 04:15:13,199
>> But an idea.

6764
04:15:13,199 --> 04:15:15,680
>> It's not anything too elaborate.

6765
04:15:15,680 --> 04:15:16,640
>> Yeah.

6766
04:15:16,640 --> 04:15:20,399
>> Just words that describe the picture of what you're looking at.

6767
04:15:20,399 --> 04:15:21,439
>> Correct.

6768
04:15:21,439 --> 04:15:23,439
>> Yes.

6769
04:15:23,439 --> 04:15:24,239
>> Thank you, David.

6770
04:15:24,239 --> 04:15:27,680
>> I like that one. Can I Can I ask one

6771
04:15:27,680 --> 04:15:29,199
more question on page nine? Can you pull

6772
04:15:29,199 --> 04:15:33,120
page nine? Just check.

6773
04:15:33,120 --> 04:15:35,439
>> I did just check.

6774
04:15:35,439 --> 04:15:35,920
>> Yeah.

6775
04:15:35,920 --> 04:15:36,640
>> Put the hands up.

6776
04:15:36,640 --> 04:15:37,359
>> Did you not?

6777
04:15:37,359 --> 04:15:38,239
>> I forgot.

6778
04:15:38,239 --> 04:15:39,199
>> Um

6779
04:15:39,199 --> 04:15:40,479
>> nervous.

6780
04:15:40,479 --> 04:15:44,080
>> Is that map in the key takeaways? Um

6781
04:15:44,080 --> 04:15:46,080
David Mm.

6782
04:15:46,080 --> 04:15:48,560
Can we go up a little bit in the little

6783
04:15:48,560 --> 04:15:51,920
gray box in that key takeaway? Can we

6784
04:15:51,920 --> 04:15:53,840
acknowledge the growth boundary in that

6785
04:15:53,840 --> 04:15:57,040
takeaway? So if we keep continue forward

6786
04:15:57,040 --> 04:15:59,439
with the growth boundary concept, there

6787
04:15:59,439 --> 04:16:01,760
will be places on the map below that are

6788
04:16:01,760 --> 04:16:03,920
outside of the growth boundary, right?

6789
04:16:03,920 --> 04:16:07,520
And so yes, while they are

6790
04:16:07,520 --> 04:16:09,120
vacant,

6791
04:16:09,120 --> 04:16:12,000
we have no intentions of right now

6792
04:16:12,000 --> 04:16:15,680
growing within those areas. That's the

6793
04:16:15,680 --> 04:16:18,479
only that's to just just to put the full

6794
04:16:18,479 --> 04:16:22,640
context on what's actually available.

6795
04:16:22,640 --> 04:16:23,439
>> What page

6796
04:16:23,439 --> 04:16:26,479
>> nine? It's right there.

6797
04:16:26,479 --> 04:16:28,880
>> Yeah. The the the takeaway from this

6798
04:16:28,880 --> 04:16:31,520
whole section is this these are the

6799
04:16:31,520 --> 04:16:34,239
areas within the city that are big and

6800
04:16:34,239 --> 04:16:35,840
could be filled up with homes or

6801
04:16:35,840 --> 04:16:40,319
whatever. That's that's fair.

6802
04:16:40,319 --> 04:16:43,920
It it leaves out the fact that we have

6803
04:16:43,920 --> 04:16:45,760
some policy decisions that we've made

6804
04:16:45,760 --> 04:16:48,000
prior with the growth boundary that

6805
04:16:48,000 --> 04:16:50,000
we're not ready to go there. And all I'm

6806
04:16:50,000 --> 04:16:53,040
saying is can we acknowledge that?

6807
04:16:53,040 --> 04:16:54,159
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I I think that's

6808
04:16:54,159 --> 04:16:55,279
>> just one more bullet in the key

6809
04:16:55,279 --> 04:16:55,840
takeaway.

6810
04:16:55,840 --> 04:16:57,120
>> Yeah. And I think that's the intent

6811
04:16:57,120 --> 04:16:59,920
because the shortly after this is where

6812
04:16:59,920 --> 04:17:02,319
it goes into the growth boundary and

6813
04:17:02,319 --> 04:17:03,040
protection.

6814
04:17:03,040 --> 04:17:06,640
>> Yep. We get there.

6815
04:17:06,640 --> 04:17:08,880
>> This is merely Yeah. I think the intent

6816
04:17:08,880 --> 04:17:11,439
behind this was merely just to point out

6817
04:17:11,439 --> 04:17:14,560
that in order to have a well-designed

6818
04:17:14,560 --> 04:17:16,880
development, something that isn't just

6819
04:17:16,880 --> 04:17:20,000
trying to make it fit within a smaller

6820
04:17:20,000 --> 04:17:21,680
or

6821
04:17:21,680 --> 04:17:24,560
an oddshaped property or something that

6822
04:17:24,560 --> 04:17:25,520
has okay

6823
04:17:25,520 --> 04:17:28,399
>> other things that this these are the

6824
04:17:28,399 --> 04:17:31,680
large scale good opportunities that in

6825
04:17:31,680 --> 04:17:34,399
the next 10 20 30 years when we're

6826
04:17:34,399 --> 04:17:36,720
talking development, this is where we

6827
04:17:36,720 --> 04:17:39,680
can really focus and have a quality

6828
04:17:39,680 --> 04:17:42,080
design rather than more of an infill

6829
04:17:42,080 --> 04:17:43,920
make it work kind of situation.

6830
04:17:43,920 --> 04:17:45,760
>> Sure.

6831
04:17:45,760 --> 04:17:47,120
I get what you're trying to accomplish.

6832
04:17:47,120 --> 04:17:48,800
You're saying here's what's left big

6833
04:17:48,800 --> 04:17:51,439
picture which then focuses a future

6834
04:17:51,439 --> 04:17:54,640
developer into those areas.

6835
04:17:54,640 --> 04:17:57,760
Next page is future developer don't come

6836
04:17:57,760 --> 04:18:00,640
to these areas which some of them are

6837
04:18:00,640 --> 04:18:02,319
great in this map. So it's is a little

6838
04:18:02,319 --> 04:18:04,399
contradictory. I think maybe it might be

6839
04:18:04,399 --> 04:18:06,479
just in that paragraph that with so few

6840
04:18:06,479 --> 04:18:08,960
large sites available,

6841
04:18:08,960 --> 04:18:10,399
just take that out. These aren't

6842
04:18:10,399 --> 04:18:11,920
necessarily available. Like these are

6843
04:18:11,920 --> 04:18:14,159
the opportunities. Maybe just frame it

6844
04:18:14,159 --> 04:18:15,680
in a way of here are the opportunities.

6845
04:18:15,680 --> 04:18:18,080
They're not available for anybody,

6846
04:18:18,080 --> 04:18:19,520
but here are the opportunities that are

6847
04:18:19,520 --> 04:18:20,000
left.

6848
04:18:20,000 --> 04:18:22,560
>> I I really understand the concern you're

6849
04:18:22,560 --> 04:18:24,159
expressing. I feel like

6850
04:18:24,159 --> 04:18:25,199
>> there's a butt coming.

6851
04:18:25,199 --> 04:18:28,000
>> There is a big one. I think we take it

6852
04:18:28,000 --> 04:18:30,560
out. I think we just delete page nine.

6853
04:18:30,560 --> 04:18:32,720
I think David, you wrote it.

6854
04:18:32,720 --> 04:18:34,159
So tell me if I'm interpreting right.

6855
04:18:34,159 --> 04:18:35,840
Page nine I think is meant to direct

6856
04:18:35,840 --> 04:18:38,479
you, not the developer.

6857
04:18:38,479 --> 04:18:40,239
>> And if it's causing confusion, it's

6858
04:18:40,239 --> 04:18:43,279
that's an unnecessary cloud. It's meant

6859
04:18:43,279 --> 04:18:45,600
to tell you, hey guys, when you see one

6860
04:18:45,600 --> 04:18:47,680
of these parcels come to you, take

6861
04:18:47,680 --> 04:18:49,760
special care because it's 20 acres and

6862
04:18:49,760 --> 04:18:51,359
you can do something special there. You

6863
04:18:51,359 --> 04:18:53,279
can do mixed use. You can do complete

6864
04:18:53,279 --> 04:18:54,880
neighborhood. You can do that. You can

6865
04:18:54,880 --> 04:18:56,960
do lots of things there because it's 20.

6866
04:18:56,960 --> 04:19:00,159
But when farmer stops farming and it's

6867
04:19:00,159 --> 04:19:02,800
five acres or I've got a twoacre lot

6868
04:19:02,800 --> 04:19:04,159
that I want to subdivide, right? These

6869
04:19:04,159 --> 04:19:06,239
little one one and two acre types, five

6870
04:19:06,239 --> 04:19:07,439
acre types,

6871
04:19:07,439 --> 04:19:10,080
>> those aren't those just happen because

6872
04:19:10,080 --> 04:19:13,279
they're all I can do is one road, three

6873
04:19:13,279 --> 04:19:15,279
culus acts off of it and and I get kind

6874
04:19:15,279 --> 04:19:17,279
of a lame development. That's terrible.

6875
04:19:17,279 --> 04:19:18,880
I don't mean it like that. It's 10:30,

6876
04:19:18,880 --> 04:19:21,040
the filter's dying.

6877
04:19:21,040 --> 04:19:22,640
>> But this is more to direct you like,

6878
04:19:22,640 --> 04:19:24,720
hey, when you see something, these are

6879
04:19:24,720 --> 04:19:26,399
so special because they're 20 acres.

6880
04:19:26,399 --> 04:19:28,640
when you see one of these really do

6881
04:19:28,640 --> 04:19:30,800
something good here it's meant to direct

6882
04:19:30,800 --> 04:19:33,520
you not focus people go here got

6883
04:19:33,520 --> 04:19:35,760
>> so if that if it's doing that I think we

6884
04:19:35,760 --> 04:19:38,080
take it out because it's not wanting to

6885
04:19:38,080 --> 04:19:40,399
do that is that how' I do

6886
04:19:40,399 --> 04:19:42,800
>> yeah and I I think this this page could

6887
04:19:42,800 --> 04:19:46,560
even be distilled into one strategy it

6888
04:19:46,560 --> 04:19:49,760
could just be if if the growth boundary

6889
04:19:49,760 --> 04:19:52,720
expands to include properties that are

6890
04:19:52,720 --> 04:19:54,560
large scale

6891
04:19:54,560 --> 04:19:57,600
to take you to kind of point the the

6892
04:19:57,600 --> 04:20:01,600
council into making a decision that is

6893
04:20:01,600 --> 04:20:01,920
quality.

6894
04:20:01,920 --> 04:20:03,439
>> I'm totally fine with that. Something

6895
04:20:03,439 --> 04:20:06,319
that more in the future like that

6896
04:20:06,319 --> 04:20:07,279
strategy rather than

6897
04:20:07,279 --> 04:20:09,920
>> if a 20 if a 10 20 acre parcel becomes

6898
04:20:09,920 --> 04:20:11,439
available, take advantage of it. Right.

6899
04:20:11,439 --> 04:20:12,640
>> That's what you're saying. Yep.

6900
04:20:12,640 --> 04:20:14,159
>> Okay. Yeah. I like that.

6901
04:20:14,159 --> 04:20:15,439
>> That's all we're trying to say. So, if

6902
04:20:15,439 --> 04:20:17,279
it's confusing, you know, we can word it

6903
04:20:17,279 --> 04:20:18,239
differently. If it

6904
04:20:18,239 --> 04:20:19,279
>> just take it out and put it as a

6905
04:20:19,279 --> 04:20:20,880
strategy, a oneline strategy.

6906
04:20:20,880 --> 04:20:22,239
>> Okay.

6907
04:20:22,239 --> 04:20:24,080
>> Great. I'm totally fine with that

6908
04:20:24,080 --> 04:20:26,159
because it that takes away a page. Good

6909
04:20:26,159 --> 04:20:27,680
thing and

6910
04:20:27,680 --> 04:20:28,640
>> makes confusion for me.

6911
04:20:28,640 --> 04:20:31,040
>> It's not confusing. I don't want that

6912
04:20:31,040 --> 04:20:32,640
confusion. I you've expressed that a

6913
04:20:32,640 --> 04:20:33,920
couple times and we're not hitting the

6914
04:20:33,920 --> 04:20:35,359
mark. So, I don't like that.

6915
04:20:35,359 --> 04:20:37,199
>> Okay. That's three, Shane.

6916
04:20:37,199 --> 04:20:38,080
>> No, it's four.

6917
04:20:38,080 --> 04:20:38,800
>> Oh, it's four.

6918
04:20:38,800 --> 04:20:40,479
>> Let me ask, do any of you agree with

6919
04:20:40,479 --> 04:20:42,000
that? Or is it just one?

6920
04:20:42,000 --> 04:20:43,279
>> That's fine.

6921
04:20:43,279 --> 04:20:43,840
>> At two.

6922
04:20:43,840 --> 04:20:44,640
>> Shake your heads.

6923
04:20:44,640 --> 04:20:46,399
>> We don't want him confused. Help him

6924
04:20:46,399 --> 04:20:46,880
out.

6925
04:20:46,880 --> 04:20:49,040
>> Thank you. You're the best, all of you.

6926
04:20:49,040 --> 04:20:51,680
All right, I'll call it a night. We'll

6927
04:20:51,680 --> 04:20:54,640
make that a strategy.

6928
04:20:54,640 --> 04:20:56,560
>> Page nine is strategy. You got that

6929
04:20:56,560 --> 04:20:57,439
motion. Okay.

6930
04:20:57,439 --> 04:21:00,000
>> So, I have three takeaways. Can I just

6931
04:21:00,000 --> 04:21:03,990
re review these?

6932
04:21:04,000 --> 04:21:07,120
» I have three takeaways. Add a map

6933
04:21:07,120 --> 04:21:09,199
general plan and APA.

6934
04:21:09,199 --> 04:21:12,239
>> That first one. Second one is you want

6935
04:21:12,239 --> 04:21:14,479
to have a focused study on the Dry Creek

6936
04:21:14,479 --> 04:21:18,000
area. The third one is remove

6937
04:21:18,000 --> 04:21:25,520
page nine. add it as a strategy goal

6938
04:21:25,520 --> 04:21:26,159
instead.

6939
04:21:26,159 --> 04:21:27,040
>> Sounds like you're trying to make sure

6940
04:21:27,040 --> 04:21:29,120
you have enough syllables there.

6941
04:21:29,120 --> 04:21:29,439
>> Did

6942
04:21:29,439 --> 04:21:31,520
>> I just I just wrote it as I was

6943
04:21:31,520 --> 04:21:32,080
>> um

6944
04:21:32,080 --> 04:21:33,760
>> did I I got the three that you

6945
04:21:33,760 --> 04:21:35,920
specifically acted on and with this last

6946
04:21:35,920 --> 04:21:37,120
suggestion. There were others you

6947
04:21:37,120 --> 04:21:39,359
discussed, but I heard the discussions

6948
04:21:39,359 --> 04:21:41,279
kind of die on the vine and so I didn't

6949
04:21:41,279 --> 04:21:44,000
note them. How did I do?

6950
04:21:44,000 --> 04:21:44,399
>> That's right.

6951
04:21:44,399 --> 04:21:45,199
>> Good. Are we going to

6952
04:21:45,199 --> 04:21:48,960
>> I would add the focus growth center. I

6953
04:21:48,960 --> 04:21:49,680
missed that.

6954
04:21:49,680 --> 04:21:50,159
>> Yeah.

6955
04:21:50,159 --> 04:21:51,120
>> Is that what you just said?

6956
04:21:51,120 --> 04:21:52,080
>> I wrote that one down.

6957
04:21:52,080 --> 04:21:53,279
>> Isn't that the station area plan?

6958
04:21:53,279 --> 04:21:55,680
>> No, no, no. It was just defining focus

6959
04:21:55,680 --> 04:21:58,960
growth centers. FGC. Yeah. Yeah. Not at

6960
04:21:58,960 --> 04:21:59,760
Center Street.

6961
04:21:59,760 --> 04:22:00,319
>> Yeah.

6962
04:22:00,319 --> 04:22:02,159
>> Focus growth centers. Clarify. Focus

6963
04:22:02,159 --> 04:22:02,479
growth.

6964
04:22:02,479 --> 04:22:03,520
>> Changing the wording. Whatever you have

6965
04:22:03,520 --> 04:22:04,080
to do there.

6966
04:22:04,080 --> 04:22:04,880
>> Clarify.

6967
04:22:04,880 --> 04:22:05,600
>> It's confusing.

6968
04:22:05,600 --> 04:22:06,800
>> Are you guys all good with that?

6969
04:22:06,800 --> 04:22:07,439
>> Yeah.

6970
04:22:07,439 --> 04:22:08,159
>> No.

6971
04:22:08,159 --> 04:22:10,720
>> Okay. Clarify focused growth.

6972
04:22:10,720 --> 04:22:11,680
>> That study area.

6973
04:22:11,680 --> 04:22:13,120
>> Okay.

6974
04:22:13,120 --> 04:22:14,960
>> Yeah. Something like that. You got that

6975
04:22:14,960 --> 04:22:17,680
one, David? Okay.

6976
04:22:17,680 --> 04:22:20,560
Von, how you doing over there?

6977
04:22:20,560 --> 04:22:21,439
>> A little nervous.

6978
04:22:21,439 --> 04:22:23,680
>> My tailbone. Not that. I'm talking

6979
04:22:23,680 --> 04:22:27,830
legal.

6980
04:22:27,840 --> 04:22:29,680
» I mean, we all want a bio break, but

6981
04:22:29,680 --> 04:22:31,359
>> okay with it. He's okay with it.

6982
04:22:31,359 --> 04:22:34,640
>> We also want to just go home, right?

6983
04:22:34,640 --> 04:22:36,159
>> Okay. Um,

6984
04:22:36,159 --> 04:22:37,680
>> we need to make a motion.

6985
04:22:37,680 --> 04:22:39,040
>> You don't need to table it, but you can

6986
04:22:39,040 --> 04:22:40,319
table it.

6987
04:22:40,319 --> 04:22:41,920
>> Can you table it or just We've had a

6988
04:22:41,920 --> 04:22:43,040
public hearing on it.

6989
04:22:43,040 --> 04:22:43,439
>> Yeah,

6990
04:22:43,439 --> 04:22:45,199
>> we we can just say we gave that

6991
04:22:45,199 --> 04:22:46,479
direction. leave it then

6992
04:22:46,479 --> 04:22:48,800
>> and not have to table it and have you

6993
04:22:48,800 --> 04:22:51,199
guys come back to us at our next meeting

6994
04:22:51,199 --> 04:22:52,800
>> with some of those some of those

6995
04:22:52,800 --> 04:22:55,199
adjustments. And I would say, you know,

6996
04:22:55,199 --> 04:22:58,399
I mean, feel free to communicate those

6997
04:22:58,399 --> 04:23:00,159
to us before then. We can

6998
04:23:00,159 --> 04:23:01,279
>> Yeah, we'll work on these and try to get

6999
04:23:01,279 --> 04:23:02,319
them out as soon as we can.

7000
04:23:02,319 --> 04:23:06,239
>> Culminate culminate it in a two week.

7001
04:23:06,239 --> 04:23:07,840
Maybe the first time we see this stuff

7002
04:23:07,840 --> 04:23:08,720
either, right?

7003
04:23:08,720 --> 04:23:12,800
>> David M man is smiling. Tomorrow is a

7004
04:23:12,800 --> 04:23:15,359
good day. I'm already thinking about how

7005
04:23:15,359 --> 04:23:16,319
this can be changed.

7006
04:23:16,319 --> 04:23:17,920
>> Yeah. Look at it.

7007
04:23:17,920 --> 04:23:20,000
>> Somebody said his love language a few

7008
04:23:20,000 --> 04:23:21,680
hours ago when you said something about,

7009
04:23:21,680 --> 04:23:23,920
you know, look hyper study this area. I

7010
04:23:23,920 --> 04:23:25,840
mean, he's lit up.

7011
04:23:25,840 --> 04:23:27,520
>> You're going to Disneyland for Harrison.

7012
04:23:27,520 --> 04:23:29,439
He's going to Disneyland tomorrow.

7013
04:23:29,439 --> 04:23:30,640
>> Yeah,

7014
04:23:30,640 --> 04:23:33,120
>> he likes it. Hopefully David's still not

7015
04:23:33,120 --> 04:23:33,840
watching from Tennessee.

7016
04:23:33,840 --> 04:23:35,840
>> Yeah, David. David M and David G.

7017
04:23:35,840 --> 04:23:36,239
>> Really?

7018
04:23:36,239 --> 04:23:38,080
>> He to go to bed.

7019
04:23:38,080 --> 04:23:39,600
>> He fell asleep at some point.

7020
04:23:39,600 --> 04:23:40,960
>> It's like getting excited about

7021
04:23:40,960 --> 04:23:42,399
wastewater treatment, right?

7022
04:23:42,399 --> 04:23:43,760
>> Yeah. He's just liking it because he so

7023
04:23:43,760 --> 04:23:44,640
much easier

7024
04:23:44,640 --> 04:23:47,279
>> that side of the dis side of the DAS is

7025
04:23:47,279 --> 04:23:48,640
just passionate about where you're

7026
04:23:48,640 --> 04:23:50,319
>> mathematical equation to change poop

7027
04:23:50,319 --> 04:23:52,159
into water. That's a much better

7028
04:23:52,159 --> 04:23:53,600
conversation.

7029
04:23:53,600 --> 04:23:56,720
>> Are we okay that the uh the gra growth

7030
04:23:56,720 --> 04:23:59,680
management boundary amendment is is that

7031
04:23:59,680 --> 04:24:01,359
dealing with the same thing that we've

7032
04:24:01,359 --> 04:24:02,800
been discussing or are we talking about

7033
04:24:02,800 --> 04:24:04,319
a different thing there? Yeah, I think

7034
04:24:04,319 --> 04:24:06,640
we talked briefly about the 1050

7035
04:24:06,640 --> 04:24:10,159
annexation specifically uh as kind of

7036
04:24:10,159 --> 04:24:11,760
something that there was some

7037
04:24:11,760 --> 04:24:13,760
uncertainty about of whether or not it

7038
04:24:13,760 --> 04:24:14,880
should be included in the growth

7039
04:24:14,880 --> 04:24:16,239
boundary, but that's something that we

7040
04:24:16,239 --> 04:24:20,319
can probably bring up again once these

7041
04:24:20,319 --> 04:24:22,000
other changes are addressed.

7042
04:24:22,000 --> 04:24:23,439
>> Oh, but this is a separate ordinance

7043
04:24:23,439 --> 04:24:26,479
that I've got right on item D item F.

7044
04:24:26,479 --> 04:24:28,479
Okay. I'm I'm seeing this. So, mayor, it

7045
04:24:28,479 --> 04:24:29,840
is a separate ordinance. If you guys

7046
04:24:29,840 --> 04:24:31,680
want to discuss and act on that today or

7047
04:24:31,680 --> 04:24:33,600
if you want to take it step one, step

7048
04:24:33,600 --> 04:24:35,680
two again in a future conversation, I

7049
04:24:35,680 --> 04:24:38,640
think as staff were fine either way.

7050
04:24:38,640 --> 04:24:41,680
>> I Yeah, I personally think we wait just

7051
04:24:41,680 --> 04:24:43,279
because it's got the addition of the

7052
04:24:43,279 --> 04:24:46,880
1040 West annexation or whatever.

7053
04:24:46,880 --> 04:24:48,560
>> Yeah. And in the meantime, I think it

7054
04:24:48,560 --> 04:24:50,000
would be great for us if you guys give

7055
04:24:50,000 --> 04:24:53,680
serious con consideration to I think it

7056
04:24:53,680 --> 04:24:55,359
brings it into the growth management

7057
04:24:55,359 --> 04:24:57,439
boundary, right? And do you want that?

7058
04:24:57,439 --> 04:24:59,680
And if you specifically want it out,

7059
04:24:59,680 --> 04:25:01,279
>> we just need that direction.

7060
04:25:01,279 --> 04:25:02,720
>> There's two there's two pending

7061
04:25:02,720 --> 04:25:04,720
annexations that are included in the

7062
04:25:04,720 --> 04:25:06,720
growth boundary. So if

7063
04:25:06,720 --> 04:25:07,520
>> that we've had

7064
04:25:07,520 --> 04:25:08,880
>> I don't want to include them.

7065
04:25:08,880 --> 04:25:10,640
>> No, I don't think we've had

7066
04:25:10,640 --> 04:25:12,960
>> I think they both gone for study.

7067
04:25:12,960 --> 04:25:13,680
>> Yeah, we've just had

7068
04:25:13,680 --> 04:25:15,760
>> Oh, is that where Oh,

7069
04:25:15,760 --> 04:25:16,479
>> okay.

7070
04:25:16,479 --> 04:25:16,960
>> Yep.

7071
04:25:16,960 --> 04:25:18,640
>> Okay.

7072
04:25:18,640 --> 04:25:20,640
>> I'm mixing the two up.

7073
04:25:20,640 --> 04:25:21,359
>> LBA

7074
04:25:21,359 --> 04:25:22,960
>> and we're letting the

7075
04:25:22,960 --> 04:25:27,279
>> 9inth South just kind of fizzle out. No, strong feelings one way or another on

7076
04:25:27,279 --> 04:25:27,439
that.

7077
04:25:27,439 --> 04:25:28,479
>> Readers Digest.

7078
04:25:28,479 --> 04:25:30,239
>> I think to the same point that we talked

7079
04:25:30,239 --> 04:25:33,040
about with that caught me off guard

7080
04:25:33,040 --> 04:25:35,120
because it's quiet in here. Travis is

7081
04:25:35,120 --> 04:25:37,680
turning things up on us. I think that we

7082
04:25:37,680 --> 04:25:39,439
if they really feel passionately about

7083
04:25:39,439 --> 04:25:42,479
it, do the oneoff and ask for a change

7084
04:25:42,479 --> 04:25:44,080
in the

7085
04:25:44,080 --> 04:25:46,080
>> in their general plan there because the

7086
04:25:46,080 --> 04:25:48,640
problem is we have seen

7087
04:25:48,640 --> 04:25:51,040
stuff in that area recently and we would

7088
04:25:51,040 --> 04:25:52,640
be changing a general plan potentially

7089
04:25:52,640 --> 04:25:55,359
on what they've shown us. Whether or not

7090
04:25:55,359 --> 04:25:57,920
that's a dealbreaker or not, I think

7091
04:25:57,920 --> 04:25:59,680
that it'd be worth having that

7092
04:25:59,680 --> 04:26:01,120
conversation if they really do care that

7093
04:26:01,120 --> 04:26:01,359
much

7094
04:26:01,359 --> 04:26:02,960
>> as a group or individual.

7095
04:26:02,960 --> 04:26:05,439
>> Yeah. Either way.

7096
04:26:05,439 --> 04:26:05,840
>> Okay.

7097
04:26:05,840 --> 04:26:07,279
>> Yeah. and and that's my opinion

7098
04:26:07,279 --> 04:26:08,800
>> and I want to acknowledge like some of

7099
04:26:08,800 --> 04:26:10,960
their concerns I drive

7100
04:26:10,960 --> 04:26:13,279
>> the street in front of their home I know

7101
04:26:13,279 --> 04:26:16,159
what talking about so I mean

7102
04:26:16,159 --> 04:26:18,560
>> without without some improvement on that

7103
04:26:18,560 --> 04:26:21,600
road and adding homes there

7104
04:26:21,600 --> 04:26:26,399
>> is is tough so so I I sympathize with

7105
04:26:26,399 --> 04:26:28,640
what they're what they're looking at I I

7106
04:26:28,640 --> 04:26:30,800
just think we could get some of that

7107
04:26:30,800 --> 04:26:33,439
with I don't think it's a binary choice

7108
04:26:33,439 --> 04:26:35,120
I think we can get some of that

7109
04:26:35,120 --> 04:26:36,560
improvement

7110
04:26:36,560 --> 04:26:38,960
with some development down there too

7111
04:26:38,960 --> 04:26:41,680
that that I think we'd want to see.

7112
04:26:41,680 --> 04:26:43,520
Yeah. Some sidewalks, a little bit

7113
04:26:43,520 --> 04:26:46,159
bigger street stuff than Yeah.

7114
04:26:46,159 --> 04:26:48,720
>> For me, we're we're dang close and I

7115
04:26:48,720 --> 04:26:50,399
don't want to There's not another motion

7116
04:26:50,399 --> 04:26:51,920
to make. There's not anything else. But

7117
04:26:51,920 --> 04:26:54,640
I think um what House's point I think is

7118
04:26:54,640 --> 04:26:57,840
legit. I'm I would be very fine if it

7119
04:26:57,840 --> 04:26:59,600
was low density there. I'm totally fine

7120
04:26:59,600 --> 04:27:02,399
with that. Um there are some map tweaks

7121
04:27:02,399 --> 04:27:04,319
that I would want to talk about at some

7122
04:27:04,319 --> 04:27:07,120
future date. and one of them is the A on

7123
04:27:07,120 --> 04:27:08,800
the west side of I-15. I think that's

7124
04:27:08,800 --> 04:27:10,560
not in my head not fully resolved why

7125
04:27:10,560 --> 04:27:13,199
there's a big patch of what could be

7126
04:27:13,199 --> 04:27:17,439
very prime real estate in a um however

7127
04:27:17,439 --> 04:27:20,560
it's it's a living document too and and

7128
04:27:20,560 --> 04:27:23,760
I think that we'll we can when any one

7129
04:27:23,760 --> 04:27:25,120
of us says you know what I want to talk

7130
04:27:25,120 --> 04:27:27,279
about in two weeks is this and let's

7131
04:27:27,279 --> 04:27:28,960
bring it forward and talk about it

7132
04:27:28,960 --> 04:27:30,640
>> and it'll be probably a more productive

7133
04:27:30,640 --> 04:27:33,840
conversation as the oneoff

7134
04:27:33,840 --> 04:27:34,479
>> is done

7135
04:27:34,479 --> 04:27:35,760
>> I think the rules say that two of us

7136
04:27:35,760 --> 04:27:36,880
have to want to talk about not just one

7137
04:27:36,880 --> 04:27:39,359
of us Well, if Stacy calls I want to

7138
04:27:39,359 --> 04:27:40,800
talk about it, I'm saying yes, no matter

7139
04:27:40,800 --> 04:27:41,520
what it is.

7140
04:27:41,520 --> 04:27:43,279
>> But if you call and say it,

7141
04:27:43,279 --> 04:27:44,560
>> that's fine with me. You guys don't have

7142
04:27:44,560 --> 04:27:45,760
to agree with me. I don't care. But I'm

7143
04:27:45,760 --> 04:27:47,439
going to agree with Stacy on the

7144
04:27:47,439 --> 04:27:49,600
conversation, disagree with her on the

7145
04:27:49,600 --> 04:27:50,159
resolution,

7146
04:27:50,159 --> 04:27:53,199
>> the concept, please. But it's I think we

7147
04:27:53,199 --> 04:27:55,600
need to be and I think for those that

7148
04:27:55,600 --> 04:27:58,319
you know aren't comfortable with the

7149
04:27:58,319 --> 04:28:01,359
this plan going forward need to know

7150
04:28:01,359 --> 04:28:03,840
that at any point if they want to come

7151
04:28:03,840 --> 04:28:05,439
and say here is the reason I think you

7152
04:28:05,439 --> 04:28:07,120
messed up. We will listen to them.

7153
04:28:07,120 --> 04:28:08,080
>> Yeah. 100%.

7154
04:28:08,080 --> 04:28:09,439
>> Right. And have a conversation around

7155
04:28:09,439 --> 04:28:09,760
that.

7156
04:28:09,760 --> 04:28:12,880
>> I I think I've said it but 13 years it's

7157
04:28:12,880 --> 04:28:14,880
we I think it's 13 times it's been

7158
04:28:14,880 --> 04:28:17,040
amended. So it's not it's not Yep.

7159
04:28:17,040 --> 04:28:18,720
>> It's not changed all the time.

7160
04:28:18,720 --> 04:28:21,279
>> It's not Yeah. And at some point I'm

7161
04:28:21,279 --> 04:28:22,800
gonna have an argument against the

7162
04:28:22,800 --> 04:28:25,439
argument that Kevin had for me today on

7163
04:28:25,439 --> 04:28:27,279
the oneoff because I don't know how to

7164
04:28:27,279 --> 04:28:28,319
avoid it now,

7165
04:28:28,319 --> 04:28:30,000
>> right?

7166
04:28:30,000 --> 04:28:31,920
>> I hate doing it oneoff. Absolutely.

7167
04:28:31,920 --> 04:28:34,080
That's why I like the the stop smiling

7168
04:28:34,080 --> 04:28:36,479
over there, David. Stop it.

7169
04:28:36,479 --> 04:28:39,359
>> Um I like the smaller area plan over

7170
04:28:39,359 --> 04:28:40,640
there because it's it could feel

7171
04:28:40,640 --> 04:28:42,640
oneoffish if we don't do something.

7172
04:28:42,640 --> 04:28:46,560
>> I agree. Yeah, but there's a there's a

7173
04:28:46,560 --> 04:28:48,960
decent conversation to had at at a small

7174
04:28:48,960 --> 04:28:51,279
area around Benjamin like how far do we

7175
04:28:51,279 --> 04:28:53,279
go with commercial to the north,

7176
04:28:53,279 --> 04:28:53,600
>> right?

7177
04:28:53,600 --> 04:28:55,279
>> And how what does that blend into? So,

7178
04:28:55,279 --> 04:28:56,319
there's still some

7179
04:28:56,319 --> 04:28:58,479
>> some things to talk about that are just

7180
04:28:58,479 --> 04:29:00,159
too granular at this level.

7181
04:29:00,159 --> 04:29:01,279
>> And there's some plans that are coming

7182
04:29:01,279 --> 04:29:03,279
forward about that area. We're having

7183
04:29:03,279 --> 04:29:04,239
these conversations early.

7184
04:29:04,239 --> 04:29:05,359
>> Yeah. When a plan comes forward, be

7185
04:29:05,359 --> 04:29:06,960
like, "All right, this is this is what

7186
04:29:06,960 --> 04:29:08,319
we get. We need to talk about this from

7187
04:29:08,319 --> 04:29:11,040
a general perspective." So, yeah. Amen.

7188
04:29:11,040 --> 04:29:13,680
>> It's not dead.

7189
04:29:13,680 --> 04:29:18,399
Okay. So, F. Did we want to uh move on?

7190
04:29:18,399 --> 04:29:18,880
>> Just move on.

7191
04:29:18,880 --> 04:29:20,399
Leave it. Leave it there,

7192
04:29:20,399 --> 04:29:22,319
too. No. No reason to table. Do we need

7193
04:29:22,319 --> 04:29:23,760
to take a Anybody need to take a break

7194
04:29:23,760 --> 04:29:24,880
before we go RDA?

7195
04:29:24,880 --> 04:29:26,319
>> Let's get these last ones done.

7196
04:29:26,319 --> 04:29:28,080
>> Oh, I thought we were done. I thought

7197
04:29:28,080 --> 04:29:28,560
going home.

7198
04:29:28,560 --> 04:29:30,479
>> RDA consent item.

7199
04:29:30,479 --> 04:29:32,000
>> We adjourn to RDA. Right.

7200
04:29:32,000 --> 04:29:33,520
>> Yep. I would entertain a motion to

7201
04:29:33,520 --> 04:29:34,720
adjourn to RDA.

7202
04:29:34,720 --> 04:29:36,000
>> So moved.

7203
04:29:36,000 --> 04:29:38,319
>> Motion made by Director Carden, second

7204
04:29:38,319 --> 04:29:41,439
by Director Oiler. All in favor say yes.

7205
04:29:41,439 --> 04:29:43,359
Uran redevelopment agency.

7206
04:29:43,359 --> 04:29:45,040
>> I move that we approve the minutes from

7207
04:29:45,040 --> 04:29:46,000
last RDA.

7208
04:29:46,000 --> 04:29:47,920
>> Motion made by Director Carden.

7209
04:29:47,920 --> 04:29:48,399
>> Second.

7210
04:29:48,399 --> 04:29:50,800
by Director Beck. All in favor

7211
04:29:50,800 --> 04:29:51,760
say yes.

7212
04:29:51,760 --> 04:29:52,720
>> Yes.

7213
04:29:52,720 --> 04:29:54,560
>> Minutes are approved. Jordan.

7214
04:29:54,560 --> 04:29:57,199
>> Jack. Can you pull up the slide?

7215
04:29:57,199 --> 04:29:59,199
>> Jordan's been waiting all night for the

7216
04:29:59,199 --> 04:30:01,359
second be on the

7217
04:30:01,359 --> 04:30:02,560
>> ready to go.

7218
04:30:02,560 --> 04:30:05,600
>> He fell asleep over there.

7219
04:30:05,600 --> 04:30:08,640
>> He was lulled to sleep by all that. Uh,

7220
04:30:08,640 --> 04:30:11,199
we're at the RDA.

7221
04:30:11,199 --> 04:30:12,800
>> Yeah, you sound so official.

7222
04:30:12,800 --> 04:30:14,399
>> Around slide 23.

7223
04:30:14,399 --> 04:30:17,760
>> Did you just make that up?

7224
04:30:17,760 --> 04:30:19,920
>> That's the wrong slides.

7225
04:30:19,920 --> 04:30:21,279
>> You are directors.

7226
04:30:21,279 --> 04:30:24,800
>> Yeah, there you made for me.

7227
04:30:24,800 --> 04:30:26,960
>> I think it was slide 23 somewhere in

7228
04:30:26,960 --> 04:30:34,389
that

7229
04:30:34,399 --> 04:30:36,000
» um

7230
04:30:36,000 --> 04:30:39,439
>> RDA. So, we got to go back, I think.

7231
04:30:39,439 --> 04:30:42,000
There we go. One.

7232
04:30:42,000 --> 04:30:44,720
Yeah, that in town.

7233
04:30:44,720 --> 04:30:46,399
>> I don't know where that is. It looks

7234
04:30:46,399 --> 04:30:48,159
dilapidated, though, which is the

7235
04:30:48,159 --> 04:30:52,479
purpose of redevelopment agencies is to

7236
04:30:52,479 --> 04:30:54,560
>> provide funding sources to redevelop

7237
04:30:54,560 --> 04:30:57,359
distressed or underutilized properties.

7238
04:30:57,359 --> 04:30:58,960
>> Um, so we have multiple different

7239
04:30:58,960 --> 04:31:02,159
project areas in our RDA. Um, the north

7240
04:31:02,159 --> 04:31:03,840
industrial project area is located near

7241
04:31:03,840 --> 04:31:05,439
the airport. There are some funds

7242
04:31:05,439 --> 04:31:08,239
remaining in that fund or in that

7243
04:31:08,239 --> 04:31:11,520
project area. Uh final expenses in FY27

7244
04:31:11,520 --> 04:31:13,600
for contracted work by developer will

7245
04:31:13,600 --> 04:31:16,640
clean out the remaining $200,000 of

7246
04:31:16,640 --> 04:31:20,720
funds in that. Um Sar Bonita is the name

7247
04:31:20,720 --> 04:31:22,880
of the RDA area for the Young Living

7248
04:31:22,880 --> 04:31:25,680
expansion. This RDA expires in this

7249
04:31:25,680 --> 04:31:29,279
upcoming fiscal year 2027.

7250
04:31:29,279 --> 04:31:32,720
Um the budget for that is uh 275,000.

7251
04:31:32,720 --> 04:31:34,399
And then Crona is the name of the Canyon

7252
04:31:34,399 --> 04:31:37,359
Creek RDA area. This year we made

7253
04:31:37,359 --> 04:31:40,479
payment two of 10 in incentives to

7254
04:31:40,479 --> 04:31:45,120
target. Um so FY27 will be the third of

7255
04:31:45,120 --> 04:31:48,159
10. Um any questions on any of these

7256
04:31:48,159 --> 04:31:51,680
project areas? Um and what's happening

7257
04:31:51,680 --> 04:31:54,000
with them?

7258
04:31:54,000 --> 04:31:56,640
>> What's the negative on Sarah Bonita?

7259
04:31:56,640 --> 04:31:58,239
>> Uh on Sierra Bonita.

7260
04:31:58,239 --> 04:32:02,080
>> Yeah. Why is 45? the the agreement there

7261
04:32:02,080 --> 04:32:03,840
is they get a portion of the property

7262
04:32:03,840 --> 04:32:04,720
taxes back

7263
04:32:04,720 --> 04:32:05,760
>> down 45.

7264
04:32:05,760 --> 04:32:08,479
>> Yeah. Property taxes are a function of

7265
04:32:08,479 --> 04:32:10,720
uh real property meaning building and

7266
04:32:10,720 --> 04:32:13,359
land but also personal property um such

7267
04:32:13,359 --> 04:32:15,279
as equipment and sometimes that

7268
04:32:15,279 --> 04:32:18,239
equipment can depreciate and you

7269
04:32:18,239 --> 04:32:19,439
actually get

7270
04:32:19,439 --> 04:32:20,560
>> the difference from one year to the

7271
04:32:20,560 --> 04:32:21,439
next.

7272
04:32:21,439 --> 04:32:22,880
>> Different my bad.

7273
04:32:22,880 --> 04:32:23,359
>> Yeah.

7274
04:32:23,359 --> 04:32:24,239
>> Read the

7275
04:32:24,239 --> 04:32:26,640
>> but most of the time you see it uh

7276
04:32:26,640 --> 04:32:29,279
generally increases. Um, one thing with

7277
04:32:29,279 --> 04:32:31,040
Young Living is they part of the

7278
04:32:31,040 --> 04:32:32,800
agreement for them to get some of those

7279
04:32:32,800 --> 04:32:35,199
uh tax dollars back is that they need to

7280
04:32:35,199 --> 04:32:38,319
meet the uh certain job requirements and

7281
04:32:38,319 --> 04:32:40,640
they've not been they didn't meet those

7282
04:32:40,640 --> 04:32:42,319
last year and I don't believe they

7283
04:32:42,319 --> 04:32:45,279
submitted anything this year. So, right

7284
04:32:45,279 --> 04:32:47,520
now they're not in meeting those

7285
04:32:47,520 --> 04:32:53,590
requirements.

7286
04:32:53,600 --> 04:32:55,840
» Right. I remember discussing that.

7287
04:32:55,840 --> 04:32:58,560
>> Yeah. So that's why the the expense in

7288
04:32:58,560 --> 04:33:00,800
last in fiscal 25 was lower.

7289
04:33:00,800 --> 04:33:01,520
>> Yeah.

7290
04:33:01,520 --> 04:33:04,719
Um any other questions on

7291
04:33:04,719 --> 04:33:06,080
>> questions for Jordan about our

7292
04:33:06,080 --> 04:33:08,160
>> We'll have a this fall this will follow

7293
04:33:08,160 --> 04:33:10,160
the same timeline as the the city's

7294
04:33:10,160 --> 04:33:11,680
budget. So we'll have a public hearing

7295
04:33:11,680 --> 04:33:15,279
on this uh June 2nd.

7296
04:33:15,279 --> 04:33:17,840
>> So is there a need for a motion here?

7297
04:33:17,840 --> 04:33:19,439
>> I believe we still need to approve a

7298
04:33:19,439 --> 04:33:20,639
tentative budget. Is that

7299
04:33:20,639 --> 04:33:24,561
>> and set the hearing?

7300
04:33:24,561 --> 04:33:26,400
Okay,

7301
04:33:26,400 --> 04:33:27,439
there's no other questions. I'd

7302
04:33:27,439 --> 04:33:32,160
entertain a motion uh for uh uh to adopt

7303
04:33:32,160 --> 04:33:36,719
a tenative budget for the RDAs and u set

7304
04:33:36,719 --> 04:33:40,551
a public hearing.

7305
04:33:40,561 --> 04:33:43,760
» I move to adopt the RDA consent item and

7306
04:33:43,760 --> 04:33:47,760
uh move to uh public hearing. Was it

7307
04:33:47,760 --> 04:33:49,439
>> on June 6th?

7308
04:33:49,439 --> 04:33:49,920
>> Second.

7309
04:33:49,920 --> 04:33:50,799
My bad.

7310
04:33:50,799 --> 04:33:51,199
>> June.

7311
04:33:51,199 --> 04:33:52,160
2nd.

7312
04:33:52,160 --> 04:33:54,160
>> On June. wasn't seconding the motion.

7313
04:33:54,160 --> 04:33:55,119
>> Not June second.

7314
04:33:55,119 --> 04:33:56,160
>> June second.

7315
04:33:56,160 --> 04:33:59,119
>> It wasn't a consent item.

7316
04:33:59,119 --> 04:34:02,719
>> Tentative second. Okay. Motion made by

7317
04:34:02,719 --> 04:34:03,760
Councilman Tuk.

7318
04:34:03,760 --> 04:34:05,520
>> Yeah. It's not a consent item, though.

7319
04:34:05,520 --> 04:34:08,240
Right.

7320
04:34:08,240 --> 04:34:10,080
>> Manager.

7321
04:34:10,080 --> 04:34:12,400
>> I would just make make the motion that

7322
04:34:12,400 --> 04:34:13,920
I'm not seeing the language there.

7323
04:34:13,920 --> 04:34:14,959
>> I said that incorrectly.

7324
04:34:14,959 --> 04:34:18,080
>> I'd make the motion that uh we approve

7325
04:34:18,080 --> 04:34:22,160
the tenative budget for the RDA. Oh,

7326
04:34:22,160 --> 04:34:24,799
excuse me. She found it.

7327
04:34:24,799 --> 04:34:27,199
>> Maybe it lo get locked out. I did get

7328
04:34:27,199 --> 04:34:29,760
>> logged me out, too. I just had

7329
04:34:29,760 --> 04:34:31,279
good.

7330
04:34:31,279 --> 04:34:33,279
>> Okay. I could try I could try again.

7331
04:34:33,279 --> 04:34:34,959
>> Do you want me to read it now?

7332
04:34:34,959 --> 04:34:35,359
>> You got it.

7333
04:34:35,359 --> 04:34:37,359
>> It's a lot. Yeah. Under new business.

7334
04:34:37,359 --> 04:34:38,639
>> Perfect.

7335
04:34:38,639 --> 04:34:41,840
>> Okay. So, let's see here. Jesse, it's

7336
04:34:41,840 --> 04:34:42,561
this one here, right?

7337
04:34:42,561 --> 04:34:43,680
>> Yep. It's RDA.

7338
04:34:43,680 --> 04:34:46,000
>> Okay. I move to adopt the redevelopment

7339
04:34:46,000 --> 04:34:48,639
agency fiscal year 2027 tenative budget

7340
04:34:48,639 --> 04:34:51,359
and to set a public hearing for June 2nd

7341
04:34:51,359 --> 04:34:53,920
2026 at 6 o'clock PM during the city

7342
04:34:53,920 --> 04:34:55,840
council meeting to consider adoption of

7343
04:34:55,840 --> 04:34:57,199
the final budget.

7344
04:34:57,199 --> 04:34:59,439
>> Perfect. Councilman motion made by

7345
04:34:59,439 --> 04:35:02,160
Councilman Tuk.

7346
04:35:02,160 --> 04:35:03,840
>> Director Tuk. Sorry.

7347
04:35:03,840 --> 04:35:05,039
>> Second.

7348
04:35:05,039 --> 04:35:08,639
by director Carden. A roll call

7349
04:35:08,639 --> 04:35:11,359
vote here. Director Tuk. Yes. Director

7350
04:35:11,359 --> 04:35:12,959
Carden. Yes. Director Order. Yes.

7351
04:35:12,959 --> 04:35:15,279
Director Beck and Director Marshall.

7352
04:35:15,279 --> 04:35:15,600
>> Yes,

7353
04:35:15,600 --> 04:35:16,799
>> you can vote on this one too, I think,

7354
04:35:16,799 --> 04:35:18,561
can't you?

7355
04:35:18,561 --> 04:35:19,279
>> Director,

7356
04:35:19,279 --> 04:35:20,080
>> chairperson.

7357
04:35:20,080 --> 04:35:22,000
>> Probably not.

7358
04:35:22,000 --> 04:35:24,400
>> Yes. Is the chair and you can uh keep it

7359
04:35:24,400 --> 04:35:27,520
legal. Yeah. Matters.

7360
04:35:27,520 --> 04:35:31,680
>> Okay. Uh I entertain a motion to uh go

7361
04:35:31,680 --> 04:35:34,480
out of RDA.

7362
04:35:34,480 --> 04:35:37,439
>> I move that we adjourn to LBA.

7363
04:35:37,439 --> 04:35:40,799
>> Motion made by Director Carden.

7364
04:35:40,799 --> 04:35:43,439
>> Second. Seconded by Director Beck to go

7365
04:35:43,439 --> 04:35:45,840
into LBA.

7366
04:35:45,840 --> 04:35:47,279
>> All in favor say yes.

7367
04:35:47,279 --> 04:35:48,639
>> Yes.

7368
04:35:48,639 --> 04:35:53,029
>> Thank you. Trustee Carden.

7369
04:35:53,039 --> 04:35:55,039
» I move that we approve the local uh the

7370
04:35:55,039 --> 04:35:57,439
LBA consent items.

7371
04:35:57,439 --> 04:36:00,320
>> Motion made by Trustee Carden.

7372
04:36:00,320 --> 04:36:00,799
>> Second.

7373
04:36:00,799 --> 04:36:03,279
>> Seconded by Trustee Tuk. All in favor

7374
04:36:03,279 --> 04:36:04,080
say yes.

7375
04:36:04,080 --> 04:36:06,799
>> Yes.

7376
04:36:06,799 --> 04:36:08,879
>> All right. Let's talk tentative budget

7377
04:36:08,879 --> 04:36:11,600
for the LBA. Um so this fund accounts

7378
04:36:11,600 --> 04:36:13,279
for city buildings that are built with

7379
04:36:13,279 --> 04:36:15,680
the building serving as the collateral

7380
04:36:15,680 --> 04:36:18,639
on the debt. Um the building we are in

7381
04:36:18,639 --> 04:36:21,520
library hall was built this way and the

7382
04:36:21,520 --> 04:36:24,719
new SFCN building uh was also built this

7383
04:36:24,719 --> 04:36:28,879
way and funded this way. In FY2027, we

7384
04:36:28,879 --> 04:36:31,520
have budgeted to make uh debt payments

7385
04:36:31,520 --> 04:36:33,920
on those two existing buildings. And

7386
04:36:33,920 --> 04:36:36,719
also, it is uh the current budget

7387
04:36:36,719 --> 04:36:39,600
proposes to issue debt in FY2027 for the

7388
04:36:39,600 --> 04:36:42,719
construction of fire station 61 rebuild,

7389
04:36:42,719 --> 04:36:45,840
which we had a groundbreaking for last

7390
04:36:45,840 --> 04:36:50,160
week, and uh a public works building uh

7391
04:36:50,160 --> 04:36:54,480
is proposed as well. Um that

7392
04:36:54,480 --> 04:36:56,561
All right. Um,

7393
04:36:56,561 --> 04:36:58,639
fire station 61 rebuild estimated

7394
04:36:58,639 --> 04:37:01,439
opening in late fall 2027

7395
04:37:01,439 --> 04:37:03,840
constructed out of this LBA fund. Debt

7396
04:37:03,840 --> 04:37:05,279
will be repaid with a combination of

7397
04:37:05,279 --> 04:37:06,879
public safety impact fees and capital

7398
04:37:06,879 --> 04:37:10,080
project funding sources.

7399
04:37:10,080 --> 04:37:11,680
And then the proposed public works

7400
04:37:11,680 --> 04:37:14,240
building. Um, this project has not yet

7401
04:37:14,240 --> 04:37:16,480
been approved by yourselves. uh the

7402
04:37:16,480 --> 04:37:19,119
architect and CMGC are working on

7403
04:37:19,119 --> 04:37:21,680
preliminary drawings and cost estimates

7404
04:37:21,680 --> 04:37:25,199
and that if uh if we move forward will

7405
04:37:25,199 --> 04:37:27,680
be repaid by impact fees and utility

7406
04:37:27,680 --> 04:37:29,439
revenues.

7407
04:37:29,439 --> 04:37:33,119
Any questions on the LBA tentative

7408
04:37:33,119 --> 04:37:34,719
budget?

7409
04:37:34,719 --> 04:37:36,719
I think it'd be helpful to add emphasis

7410
04:37:36,719 --> 04:37:40,551
to the point that

7411
04:37:40,561 --> 04:37:44,160
the budget would have the

7412
04:37:44,160 --> 04:37:47,680
numbers but no dollars behind it. And so

7413
04:37:47,680 --> 04:37:50,639
the the actions would come on the fire

7414
04:37:50,639 --> 04:37:52,400
station. That's that decision has been

7415
04:37:52,400 --> 04:37:55,920
made a couple of weeks ago uh for the

7416
04:37:55,920 --> 04:37:57,680
public works building. That decision is

7417
04:37:57,680 --> 04:38:01,439
forthcoming. So this in if you approve

7418
04:38:01,439 --> 04:38:03,840
the budget and eventually we enact the

7419
04:38:03,840 --> 04:38:05,520
budget as we've outlined here then you

7420
04:38:05,520 --> 04:38:07,039
don't have to make a budget amendment if

7421
04:38:07,039 --> 04:38:09,680
or when you approve it. If you never

7422
04:38:09,680 --> 04:38:10,959
approve the project and you never

7423
04:38:10,959 --> 04:38:12,879
approve the bonding for it then it will

7424
04:38:12,879 --> 04:38:15,760
never happen. Uh maybe in line with

7425
04:38:15,760 --> 04:38:18,959
this, we would I think I think uh we're

7426
04:38:18,959 --> 04:38:21,119
proposing either next council meeting or

7427
04:38:21,119 --> 04:38:22,879
one more in June, we would bring a

7428
04:38:22,879 --> 04:38:24,639
parameters resolution that would outline

7429
04:38:24,639 --> 04:38:27,359
the the structure of how a bond could

7430
04:38:27,359 --> 04:38:30,000
look and that would give us the clarity

7431
04:38:30,000 --> 04:38:32,959
that if you decide that we could bond

7432
04:38:32,959 --> 04:38:35,279
for both the public works and fire

7433
04:38:35,279 --> 04:38:38,561
station or just the fire station

7434
04:38:38,561 --> 04:38:40,480
um if you don't decide to do the public

7435
04:38:40,480 --> 04:38:43,039
works building, one of the mechanisms

7436
04:38:43,039 --> 04:38:44,639
that we're working on with Jonathan is

7437
04:38:44,639 --> 04:38:48,240
actually um not just that you approve

7438
04:38:48,240 --> 04:38:50,799
with the GMP but also that there is

7439
04:38:50,799 --> 04:38:52,480
maybe some signatures or something like

7440
04:38:52,480 --> 04:38:55,600
that of typically it's the mayor and the

7441
04:38:55,600 --> 04:38:57,119
city manager and the finance director

7442
04:38:57,119 --> 04:38:59,680
and that we have maybe the mayor those

7443
04:38:59,680 --> 04:39:01,039
three plus maybe one of the council

7444
04:39:01,039 --> 04:39:03,520
members. So there's just an extra step

7445
04:39:03,520 --> 04:39:06,639
in check that we don't execute the bond

7446
04:39:06,639 --> 04:39:08,561
until we're done. just a couple of belts

7447
04:39:08,561 --> 04:39:13,279
and suspenders types of things, but it allows us to have that clarity that

7448
04:39:13,279 --> 04:39:18,480
if we decide to go, we can go quickly.

7449
04:39:18,480 --> 04:39:20,561
Um there may be a reason that we say,

7450
04:39:20,561 --> 04:39:22,799
"Oh, we want to go now because rates

7451
04:39:22,799 --> 04:39:24,000
have really dipped and we think they're

7452
04:39:24,000 --> 04:39:25,039
going to come up, right?" It just gives

7453
04:39:25,039 --> 04:39:27,520
us a lot of flexibility. So, we we will

7454
04:39:27,520 --> 04:39:31,119
propose to do that next uh either next

7455
04:39:31,119 --> 04:39:33,359
council meeting or the one after that.

7456
04:39:33,359 --> 04:39:36,000
But just like we've talked in midway and

7457
04:39:36,000 --> 04:39:39,280
we reviewed in March, no decision is

7458
04:39:39,280 --> 04:39:41,680
made on the no decision has been made

7459
04:39:41,680 --> 04:39:43,280
until you say that decision has been

7460
04:39:43,280 --> 04:39:46,320
made and either you you do it whenever

7461
04:39:46,320 --> 04:39:47,840
you do it or you do it at least when you

7462
04:39:47,840 --> 04:39:51,200
approve the GMP.

7463
04:39:51,200 --> 04:39:53,280
How did I do with that? Is that clear?

7464
04:39:53,280 --> 04:39:54,480
>> Yeah, sounds good.

7465
04:39:54,480 --> 04:39:55,840
>> Okay, sure.

7466
04:39:55,840 --> 04:39:59,190
>> It's 10:30.

7467
04:39:59,200 --> 04:40:01,680
» Okay. If uh there's no other

7468
04:40:01,680 --> 04:40:03,360
>> You said you were there.

7469
04:40:03,360 --> 04:40:06,080
questions there. I'd entertain a motion

7470
04:40:06,080 --> 04:40:07,840
to approve the local building authority

7471
04:40:07,840 --> 04:40:10,160
fiscal year 2027 tenative budget.

7472
04:40:10,160 --> 04:40:12,240
>> Remember that

7473
04:40:12,240 --> 04:40:13,440
>> disappoint.

7474
04:40:13,440 --> 04:40:15,200
>> I move to approve the local building

7475
04:40:15,200 --> 04:40:18,400
authority fiscal year 2027 tenative

7476
04:40:18,400 --> 04:40:20,798
budget and to set a public hearing for

7477
04:40:20,798 --> 04:40:24,000
June 2nd 6 p.m. during the city council

7478
04:40:24,000 --> 04:40:25,760
meeting to consider adoption of the

7479
04:40:25,760 --> 04:40:28,560
final budget.

7480
04:40:28,560 --> 04:40:30,878
>> Motion made by trustee Oiler.

7481
04:40:30,878 --> 04:40:34,160
>> Second. Seconded by Trustee Marshall

7482
04:40:34,160 --> 04:40:37,360
in a encouraging way.

7483
04:40:37,360 --> 04:40:39,200
Uh, roll call vote here. Trustee

7484
04:40:39,200 --> 04:40:39,840
Marshall,

7485
04:40:39,840 --> 04:40:40,240
>> yes.

7486
04:40:40,240 --> 04:40:41,600
>> Vice Chair Beck,

7487
04:40:41,600 --> 04:40:42,718
>> yes.

7488
04:40:42,718 --> 04:40:44,240
>> Trustee Oiler,

7489
04:40:44,240 --> 04:40:45,040
>> yes.

7490
04:40:45,040 --> 04:40:46,080
>> Trustee Carden,

7491
04:40:46,080 --> 04:40:46,320
>> yes.

7492
04:40:46,320 --> 04:40:47,520
>> And trustee Tuk,

7493
04:40:47,520 --> 04:40:48,400
>> yes.

7494
04:40:48,400 --> 04:40:50,798
>> That passes. I would entertain a motion

7495
04:40:50,798 --> 04:40:52,400
to reconvene to city council.

7496
04:40:52,400 --> 04:40:53,360
>> So moved.

7497
04:40:53,360 --> 04:40:55,920
>> Motion made by Trustee Carden.

7498
04:40:55,920 --> 04:40:58,240
>> Seconded by Trustee Oiler. All in favor

7499
04:40:58,240 --> 04:40:59,680
say yes.

7500
04:40:59,680 --> 04:41:05,680
>> We're back to normal. Council people in council meeting any other items that

7501
04:41:05,680 --> 04:41:08,000
need to be brought up here?

7502
04:41:08,000 --> 04:41:10,480
>> Sure. Why not go another hour?

7503
04:41:10,480 --> 04:41:11,920
>> I move that we adjourn.

7504
04:41:11,920 --> 04:41:14,160
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

7505
04:41:14,160 --> 04:41:14,718
>> Second.

7506
04:41:14,718 --> 04:41:16,560
by Councilwoman Beck to adjourn

7507
04:41:16,560 --> 04:41:18,080
council meeting. All in favor say yes.

7508
04:41:18,080 --> 04:41:19,680
We're adjourned. Thank you

7509
04:41:19,680 --> 04:41:22,240
everybody for