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Want to welcome everybody out to the

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planning and zoning commission meeting

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for May 6th. We'll start off the

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meeting. I've asked Commissioner Warick

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to lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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>> I'll arise.

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» I pledge aliance to the flag of the

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United States of America

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>> and to the republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, Shauna.

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Um, our first order of business is the

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minutes. Um, we Casey sent out the

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correct minutes later in the day. So,

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have everybody had a chance to look at

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those? Um, do I have a Has anybody

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reviewed it? And can I get a motion?

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>> I have looked at that. I'll make a

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motion we approve the minutes.

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>> Second.

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>> I have a motion to second. All in favor?

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I.

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>> Any opposed?

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So those can be recorded. Um our first

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um item of business, these are both

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public hearings, but the first one is

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the station 61 Argyle subdivision

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substation zone change.

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All right. Uh we're going to keep this

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pretty simple and straightforward. So

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this is property. I don't know if you

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recently saw the groundbreaking uh for

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the new fire station that's going to be

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going here as well as a substation

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that's uh going to be on the corner that

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southwest corner. Um as part of this the site plan was reviewed and it was

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noted that there are some parts of the

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site that are still zoned either

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residential office or uh R16 I believe.

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And so in order to proceed with that, uh

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there was a condition placed on the site

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plan approval that the entire site be uh

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reszoned to the public facility zone. So

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that's what's being uh proposed here.

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>> Okay.

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>> Questions for staff?

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>> I have a question.

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Why

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didn't Why was this not addressed

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beforehand? You've gone in there, tore

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down the buildings, you bought

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properties to and the fire station's

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going in, and now you're coming to us to

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change the zoning on it

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when you've already gone ahead and done

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a substantial amount of work.

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>> Why would the city not change the zoning

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first?

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I think that's one of the the benefits

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that it's city- owned property. It's a

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city project

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>> and the city would be the one that would

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approve the zoning. So, it was kind of

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the always the intent for that to uh be

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zoned so that they could you fire

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station.

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>> David, maybe

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>> we could double check, but I believe

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municipal services are permitted uses in

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most zones. Um, and the history of this

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is interesting because the majority of

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the fire station is on property that's

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already the public facility zone

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ability to buy additional properties as

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they became available. And in some

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cases, we were able to buy backyards of adjacent properties to kind of square

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off uh the project.

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But that was an early comment from our

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department when it first came up with

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the concept, you know, that we needed to

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do a zoning cleanup to address that.

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>> So, I guess it kind of bugs it bugs me a

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bit. Why didn't you do that in the first

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hand

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and then go ahead and do your thing?

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probably going to happen. And is the

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city just rather going to say it's

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easier to ask for forgiveness than for

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permission?

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>> I think a lot of it might have to do

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with timing of the development and since

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the most of the fight,

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>> but the city had timing. They've known

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way ahead of time. They could have come

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and cleared zoning up a long time ago.

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timing can sometimes lead to uh an

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increase in costs and so those costs

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would be paid by the taxpayer. So the

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city's always trying to use those funds

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efficiently. And so since the city is

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the one approving it and building it and

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everything, it was all it's all the same

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group that's doing that,

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>> right? Okay. Well, sorry, but that that

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sounds a little underhanded that you

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like, oh, we're going to skirt around

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this to save us some money. Well, it's

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not saving this. It's saving the city,

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which is in turn saving the taxpayer,

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>> Not using those funds kind of uh

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wastefully, using it more efficiently.

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>> It doesn't seem like that big a deal to

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me. It seems like you you do something

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in good faith and then you come and

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clean up the technicalities. That's my

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personal opinion on that.

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Well, is is it in good faith when they

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do everything beforehand and then come

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up to clean it up after the fact?

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>> Well, when you look at the majority, you

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can see on the zoning map, the majority

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of it, 90% of well, 80% of it is already

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a public facility where the senior

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center was.

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>> So, it's zoned correctly. The area

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you're expressing a concern about would

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be the RORO, which allows that use, or

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the R15, which I don't know if it does

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or not.

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uh municipal facilities required for

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local service are permitted uses.

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>> So it's really just a a cleanup of the

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map so that it matches what's there.

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>> So it was all So what you're saying is

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it's it's already permitted so it's

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legal in that area but

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>> to but it's best to change it to the

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public facilities be all. We could do it

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without the cleanup, but let's clean it

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up. So,

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Oh, Dave, do you have more to say on

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that?

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a substation there already, right?

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There's a a substation on the property

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already that's being moved and enlarged.

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So, that is being uh relocated as part

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of this project to that southwest corner

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of the block

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>> just to make room for the the fire

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station or is it being enlarged or

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what's what's the reason for it being

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relocated is what I'm wondering.

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and upsized anyways for more current

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uh uses or load from the city. But um

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they in fact they wanted to do it like a

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year ago, but instead knowing the fire

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station might come. It was let's move it

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out of the way and put it more in a

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proper location instead of in the center

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of the block. So it needed to be redone.

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access even for them for the power

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department and stuff. But

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>> I was just curious about as as I was

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reviewing this. Yeah, it was both kind

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on the site plan that we have exhibit

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two. Um what is what's the route like?

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they going to go out onto second or they

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going to go out onto center street?

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>> They'll go out on second.

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they prefer to come out more on the

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less busy road, like more of a

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residential road, then get on to the

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major collectors. Um, current one on 400

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them is they have a lot of trouble

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leaving that fire station because 400

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center because once it it gets even

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busier, it creates an issue for the

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firefighters. I was just curious about

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that. In my mind, I was thinking they'd

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want to go out on a bigger road, but

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that makes sense.

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to Main Street right now? They don't

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exit onto 400,

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>> but they're saying that's a problem.

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busy and Yeah. Sorry, guys. Thanks for

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correction.

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» Thanks. I was just curious about those

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if anybody's here to have comments on

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this topic, we'd love to hear you. Um,

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keep if you'd come up and introduce

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yourself on the microphone and keep your

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comments about 3 minutes, we'll open

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that up.

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Okay. Seeing no people, none, we'll

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close the public hearing.

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>> Seems strict to me.

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this is recommending for approval,

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right?

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>> I'll make the motion. I move to

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recommend approval of the proposed

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station 61 Argyle substation zone change

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based on the findings. The proposal is

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consistent with the city's general plan, land plan, use designation of

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public facilities.

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>> Okay. I have a motion. Do I have a

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second?

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>> Second.

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>> Motion second. All in favor?

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>> Any opposed?

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>> Okay. So, that vote will go to the uh

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council for their

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review and their meeting. Um the second

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Sorry, I've lost my There it is.

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>> This is a zoning

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>> Arrowhead commercial.

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>> Yes, this is a zoning map amendment as

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well. Uh a little different in nature

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than the first one you looked at. Um

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just for orientation purposes, uh

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Arrowhead Trail, um Delmonte Road right

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here, Arrowhead Subdivision,

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Sky Meadows subdivision. Uh let's go to

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the next slide.

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So on the right, you see the general

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plan anticipates a commercial use on the

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corner. The zoning reflects an existing

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commercial use um on the corner. the

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applicant. Um, unfortunately, he did

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call us this afternoon u right before

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the meeting and had a conflict and

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couldn't make it tonight. Um, but he uh

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does send his regards and would like to see a recommendation um out of the planning commission tonight even

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though he couldn't make it. Um, let's go

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to the next slide.

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This is their request. It was included

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in your packet. Uh, in a nutshell,

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there's two residential lots that are

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part of the Arrowhead subdivision um

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that they would like to absorb into the

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existing commercial corner and they have

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a number of of reasons why they feel it

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would be appropriate to do so. Um, the

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DRC did look at this request and in the

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findings the motion you'll see um the

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recommendation that the the development

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review committee um provided. Let's go

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to the next slide. So this is how this

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the preliminary plat for the subdivision

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was approved.

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Again this is Arrowhead Trail Delmani.

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Um these are all platted lots. The last

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phase is phase six which would be this

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um west part of the property. The two

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lots in question are these deep

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residential lots right here.

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>> This is the existing commercial corner.

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Let's go to the next slide. Oh

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>> Brent, hello for a second.

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>> So my understand they want to take

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a commercial lot.

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>> Wrong way.

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>> Blinding myself. The commercial lot add

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more commercial and but this commercial

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is off the main road and kind of hard to

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get to,

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>> but they want to change it from

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residential to commercial.

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>> Yeah. So,

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>> I get where you're going.

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they have had interest in the property

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and one thing that staff did recommend

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when when we get to the conditions is

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we'd still like them to pursue the

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option with you do to have approval for

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a ride in right out here. There is a

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spacing requirement from the

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intersection. Um most likely we wouldn't

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allow an access off of here because of

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the proximity of these two intersections

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and so their primary access could be

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here or if you do would allow a

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potential ride in right out at that

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location.

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>> Interesting. Okay, there's one clear on

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that.

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>> Does the

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>> I got you.

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>> These two extra properties to the

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commercial, does that increase the

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probability for you dot to allow the

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access?

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>> I would say yes in the sense that it

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Well, no.

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>> Sorry, I'll

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>> because I know they're kind of st

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they're stingy on their

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>> picture. I I'll let Josh speak to it,

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but my off-the- cuff answer would be

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your front edge isn't changing, so you

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still have the same distance to play

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with here.

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>> Okay.

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>> So, I I think it's just a matter of

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spacing.

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>> Yeah, I think you're right. U DOT's

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requirement for this road is um 660 ft

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>> access. So, I think that's about where

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they're at. But it may

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>> I think in DRC it was discussed may make

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it a little bit easier to put an access

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in there. They got some more room to

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come straight on. But

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um let's go to the next slide.

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So, this is the proposed amendment that

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they'd like to make if the zone change

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is approved by the city council is you'd

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then have two larger um more rectangular

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shaped commercial lots that they could

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work with. Um it's my understanding that

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the corner lots already purchased are

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under contract and that that purchaser

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is potentially looking at this one. Um

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and if they're not interested then um

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the applicant in did indicate they've

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got other interested parties uh in this

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potential piece here. Um let's go to the

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next slide. So once again this is the

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existing commercial the area outlined

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and highlighted in red is the additional

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just under an acre of area that they

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would like to add um to commercial to

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expand that commercial corner. So in the

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staff report uh we kind of highlighted

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it would increase the area to

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approximately 4 acres in size. We do uh

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recommend or recognize that the general

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plan um let's go to the next slide. The

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general plan does designate the

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commercial as uh excuse me the corner as

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commercial. I'll slow down. Um

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the development review committee

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recognized that uh it's an expansion of

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a conveniently located commercial area.

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Finding number three that it'll provide

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uh services to the residents of Spanish

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Fork and potentially expand the city

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sales tax base. Four, that is promotion

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of a commercial area at a major

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intersection. Um there are an arrowhead

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trail. Five, that is adequately sized to

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minimize the potential impacts on the

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residential area. And then the condition

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um this was added during um the

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discussion of access to the property.

399
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The development review committee did add

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this on the recommendation to you for

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your consideration and that reads that

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the applicant would basically uh do

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further research with UDOT as far as all

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potential accesses for the property

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specifically though off of uh Arrowhead

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Trail and then um at a later stage that

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could be finalized as far as cross

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access easements and placements so it

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can be enjoyed and shared by both

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properties.

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Um,

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we did advertise this for a public

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hearing. Uh, is there any questions for

414
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staff?

415
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>> I have a couple questions. First, on

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that slide, you're just on the

417
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conditions. What does that

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tie the applicant to do when it says

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that the applicant explore prospects of

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having access to the subject property?

421
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What I mean, that doesn't I don't see

422
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that as binding. What does that mean to

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explore? My understanding is any

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conversations we have with UD do usually

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involve the municipality as well. And so

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I think it's just a strong reminder that

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it'd be in their best interest to have

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that conversation before the city

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council meeting. Um so that can be uh

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known as to whether or not it's an

431
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option.

432
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>> Okay.

433
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>> I know they've had some preliminary

434
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discussions, but I don't know the

435
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process that they'll need to go through

436
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to get um more of a firm answer from you

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do. it's in their favor. It's beneficial

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for them if they can get it. So, they're incentivized to do that. I just

439
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was the terminology seemed a little

440
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weird to me. So,

441
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>> yeah, part of the debate was some

442
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members of the DRC felt it'd be

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appropriate to address it at the plat

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level. Uh and others felt that while

445
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we're at the zone change level, we might

446
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as well uh tackle that question.

447
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>> Okay. And then the other question I had

448
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was if you go back a couple slides to

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where we show that that one right there.

450
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No. So, when we went over this, I and I

451
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don't think this is the case. Um, these

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all these lots look like they're fairly

453
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good size. We've often had developers

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add in these oddshaped

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um lots to increase the lot size, the

456
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square footage size to get the zoning

457
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they want. Um, did these put them over

458
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when we're going through that first

459
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sizing of their their lots?

460
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>> No. And they're adequate size. Good qu a

461
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good I can't speak tonight. That was a

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good question. That was a catch that our

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city manager Seth Parin had as well at

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the DRC. And so after the DRC we reran

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the numbers as far as their average lot

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size for the subdivision.

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>> And uh let me find it. It's in the

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report. Um

469
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they were 12,34 square ft after the

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exclusion of that.

471
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>> What were they before?

472
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>> Uh higher than that, but the minimum

473
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they need to be is the 12,000. still

474
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within the still above the minimum.

475
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>> Yeah. I don't know if you know what size

476
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is this. I'm just kind of curious the

477
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And this is going to be an actual

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residentially.

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>> I don't think we have that exact number.

480
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Um let's go back a slide. One more.

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>> It's right there.

482
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>> Good luck.

483
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>> 32

484
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behind that on you.

485
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>> Looks like it's over 13,000 square feet.

486
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>> Okay. I see anything.

487
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>> Stay on that slide because I have a

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question about that. Can I Can I

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>> These are both pretty large but awkward

490
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shape, but this one is closer to the

491
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average size. They're just about a

492
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thousand over. Okay.

493
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>> So, this development's been here for a

494
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long time. Where did the homes start

495
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here and why are there not homes built

496
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on?

497
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>> So, that phase has not been recorded

498
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yet. Um, when they if we can go to the

499
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interactive map,

500
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>> this is new.

501
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>> So, when they approved the preliminary

502
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plat for the Arrowhead subdivision, I

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believe it had six phases. They've

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recorded phases one through five and

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phase six. Um I believe when they

506
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submitted both Josh and I noticed that

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they had some changes with with

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potential lines for this commercial and

509
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that's when the conversation started as

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far as their desire to reszone it. So

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you can see this area right here. This

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is the unplatted phase six. These are

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phases one through five. If you zoom

514
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out.

515
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Yeah. So all of this is phases one

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through five and then this unplatted

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portion remainder that's phase six that

518
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they would ultimately button up once

519
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they have a an answer on

520
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>> uh the zoning and a few other uh issues

521
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they're working through.

522
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>> Okay.

523
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>> I was oriented I was looking at this

524
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wrong. Okay.

525
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>> And it seems clear from the plan I see

526
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but no plan no changes to any plans for

527
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anything like that. No changes to the

528
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remainder of it. Just those two

529
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properties.

530
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>> Just those two properties. No road

531
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changes there.

532
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>> Correct.

533
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>> Existing.

534
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>> Any other questions for staff?

535
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>> Thank you.

536
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>> Thanks, Brandon.

537
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» Okay. So, this is also a public hearing.

538
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If anybody's here to uh talk on this

539
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subject, we'd love to hear from you.

540
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please state your name and go from

541
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there.

542
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>> Arlon Al and I live just to the west. my

543
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property borders that exact spot through

544
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there. And I'm not opposed to this

545
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change. I just want to make sure that

546
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we get a good fence up along there. You

547
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know, I have

548
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ditches that carry one to two feet of

549
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water. And I don't want, you know,

550
00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:59,679
problems with people coming over. And

551
00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:02,080
that, you know, that includes all of

552
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,400
that phase six.

553
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,280
I would like to see a permanent good

554
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,559
fence along through there. Um, and also

555
00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:13,039
I would like to

556
00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:17,039
know for sure where that boundary is.

557
00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:20,880
Um, I know that in the past

558
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,360
some of my property has been annexed

559
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,919
into the city because it was recorded

560
00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:28,400
not recorded wrong but just didn't they

561
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,000
didn't look close enough into the deeds.

562
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,280
And so it's been surveyed incorrectly a

563
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,679
couple of different times. So I just

564
00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:39,919
want to make sure all the surveying

565
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:43,990
everything is on

566
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,960
and that would be my only concern.

567
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,400
>> Could could we go back to interactive

568
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,559
map? Armen, which is your property if

569
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:51,600
you can.

570
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,960
>> Um, so all the way along there

571
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,440
from Yep. all the way along through

572
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,000
there.

573
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,919
>> Okay. So it's about 1,000 ft through there.

574
00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:07,600
>> That's where the canal is, right?

575
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:07,919
>> Yes.

576
00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:09,679
>> Right along the canal.

577
00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:11,919
>> Is the canal on yours or

578
00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:15,200
>> the canal? Both sides are on mine and

579
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,520
you're outside of the city boundaries

580
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,080
>> or at least

581
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,159
>> Well, that's what there's about

582
00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:26,559
15 feet of that top half, maybe 20 feet

583
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:28,720
that got annexed into the city. And

584
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,440
that's when I say just everybody didn't

585
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,080
look at the correct

586
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,320
um documents

587
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,559
and so some of mine on that top is in

588
00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:43,280
the city but most all of it is in the

589
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,559
county.

590
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,720
>> Okay.

591
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,760
So, um, the issue of the fence along

592
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,280
commercial property, we'd require a

593
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,880
masonry fence, splitting it from

594
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,360
residential, a six foot high masonry

595
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,679
fence. Against the rest of those

596
00:22:57,679 --> 00:22:59,520
residential lots, though, that would be

597
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,960
up to the property owner or we're going

598
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,360
to require the developer to run a fence

599
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,520
along the boundary line. I don't

600
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,640
remember how that was approved.

601
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,159
>> Me neither.

602
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,720
>> And see, I can't run a fence along

603
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,440
there,

604
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,000
>> right?

605
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,240
>> Because it's an easement, a canal

606
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,960
easement. So, I am trying to work

607
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,679
something out with Suncor,

608
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:22,640
you know, to even if I have to pay for

609
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,840
the fence or something, maybe picking up

610
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,799
a couple of feet of that property along

611
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:30,799
through there. So, I could put a fence

612
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,320
in

613
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,960
>> on the rest of that or, you know, maybe

614
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,640
split the difference or something with

615
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,159
them.

616
00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:40,880
>> But, we have been in talks a little bit

617
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:41,760
about it.

618
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240
>> Okay. But my concern is, you know, I

619
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,919
just don't want problems with anybody

620
00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:48,799
getting hurt.

621
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:49,760
>> Sure.

622
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,840
>> It did

623
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,640
have a fence. It wasn't a real good

624
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,360
fence before all this started.

625
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:58,400
>> Okay.

626
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,039
>> So,

627
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:00,400
>> Brandon, do you have a comment to make

628
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,559
along about the fence?

629
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,679
Oh, I was just going to say um with

630
00:24:05,679 --> 00:24:07,520
master plan developments, it's not

631
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,120
uncommon to look at exterior uh property

632
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,159
lines and either have uniform fencing or

633
00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:16,720
safety fencing. Um so that's something

634
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,000
we can dig into the preliminary plat um

635
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000
and see what was discussed and approved

636
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,320
as far as that West property. I think

637
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,720
it's very reasonable to to continue

638
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,039
those discussions and even if it came

639
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:30,880
down to shared cost of fencing, it it'd

640
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,080
be appropriate to have some kind of

641
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,679
fencing on that west side.

642
00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:34,159
>> Great.

643
00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:36,320
>> Thanks for bringing that up.

644
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,360
>> Against the commercial, there will be a

645
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:38,960
mason for sure.

646
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:39,760
>> Yeah. So,

647
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,640
>> and then it'll be against the

648
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,840
residential you are going to look into

649
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,440
and get some feedback on that.

650
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,880
>> Yeah. So as part of um the buffering

651
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,640
from the commercial to the residential

652
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,360
use, we have the setback, we have the

653
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,360
landscaping and then in addition to that

654
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,720
we have the masonry wall.

655
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,640
>> Yeah. Okay. And then what about the uh

656
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,880
the property line? That was uh Mr. Al's

657
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,400
second question.

658
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,559
>> Um that's one we can look into. It's interesting looking at the county

659
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,200
data here. Josh, if you don't mind

660
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,159
zooming in kind of right here and then

661
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:17,039
maybe turn the zoning on. I can see what

662
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:20,720
he's saying in that. And then go ahead

663
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,120
and turn it off again. You can see the

664
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,559
city line here, but then we've got

665
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:26,480
multiple property lines. So that one is

666
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,120
owned by Mr. All. What about this this

667
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,320
skinny one here?

668
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,039
>> That's owned by by me also.

669
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:34,559
>> Yeah, that's another one. And then

670
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:39,510
Sunrock starts right here.

671
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,320
So there is an odd uh

672
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,159
>> overlap

673
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:47,760
>> with the with the annexation.

674
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,559
>> So we we'd be happy to look into that.

675
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:53,120
>> But anything

676
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:57,360
between Alts property and commercial is

677
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,919
going to have to have a masonry fence.

678
00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:00,400
>> Yes.

679
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,279
>> Yeah.

680
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:04,960
>> And with with the final plat um these

681
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,080
issues will be confirmed. Um because the

682
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,760
county will require any applicable

683
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,080
property owners to sign the plat and

684
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,360
both our department or our jurisdiction

685
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,919
and the county both uh look at the

686
00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:19,760
boundary descriptions of the plats to

687
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,360
make sure there's no gaps, overlaps,

688
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,559
things of that nature. Um and so we'll

689
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:26,880
definitely look into this and see see

690
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,240
what we can do.

691
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:28,880
>> All right.

692
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:29,840
>> Very good. Thank you.

693
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,039
>> Okay. Thanks.

694
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,600
>> Anybody else?

695
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,400
Okay, we'll close the public hearing.

696
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,559
Um,

697
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,480
anybody have any further points to

698
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,240
discuss?

699
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,240
>> The thing that seems awkward to me is

700
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,240
turning into a residential neighborhood

701
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,080
to turn into the commercial,

702
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080
but I don't know. What do you guys

703
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,720
think?

704
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,919
>> I think it's a better use of the

705
00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:58,880
property to go commercial than those

706
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,720
lots as they're designated there.

707
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,640
>> I agree with that. Visually looking at

708
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,120
the size that I mean when we look at

709
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,960
that property it is a strange sort of

710
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520
shape. I can see how it's uh equal to

711
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,960
the other property or roughly equal to

712
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,600
the other property that's development

713
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,200
seems like it makes sense and like from

714
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,120
a commercial perspective regardless of

715
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,360
the ingress that's right along Arrowhead

716
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,679
Trail that's kind of a key location. We

717
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:25,120
add a little more commercial there. Feel

718
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,559
pretty darn good about that.

719
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:31,120
>> Yeah. Okay. I would be I'd happy to

720
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,559
entertain a motion if anybody wants to

721
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:37,909
offer one.

722
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:39,840
» I'll make a motion that we recommend the

723
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,640
approval of this commercial zone change

724
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,880
based on the following findings and

725
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,880
subject to the following conditions as

726
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,799
listed right there.

727
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,480
>> I'll second that.

728
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,400
>> I have a motion to second. All in favor?

729
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,200
>> I.

730
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,520
>> Any opposed?

731
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,919
>> Okay. Thank you. Um,

732
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:03,039
our next item of business is uh we have

733
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:05,840
two project signage plans. The first one

734
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,880
is a Maverick convenience store.

735
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,039
>> Sorry, I'm just going to steal a moment.

736
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,919
Um, just wanted to publicly thank uh Ian

737
00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:16,159
as he comes up to present these next two

738
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:16,880
items.

739
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,399
>> You're still my Thunderman.

740
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:22,080
>> Sorry, I'll sit back down.

741
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,279
>> Um, Ian has worked with the city for two

742
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,399
years, I believe.

743
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:27,279
>> Yeah.

744
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,520
um and some adventures in life have

745
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,600
taken him to another state and so

746
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,760
shortly he'll be uh leaving his

747
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,000
employment with with the city and and

748
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,840
heading off to Colorado. But we just

749
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,159
wanted to thank Ian uh for all the

750
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:42,320
things that he's done for uh the city

751
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,120
and the community in the the short time

752
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,640
that he's been with us. We've definitely

753
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,799
enjoyed working with Ian and having him

754
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,029
on the staff.

755
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:58,870
emotional

756
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,320
can't feel so emotional before you talk

757
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,840
about something like signage, right?

758
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Something so exciting.

759
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,320
>> Okay, so we're talking signs specific.

760
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,640
We're talking project signage plans

761
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,000
tonight. This is actually the first one

762
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,279
I've done um since being a Spanish fork,

763
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,919
so fitting that it's on my last planning

764
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:21,120
commission. Um, so I guess just for for

765
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,120
reference here, um, this is our standard

766
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,720
signage code for um,

767
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,120
what criteria

768
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,279
um, sites

769
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,919
um, the signage that a site can have um,

770
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:37,679
without having to go through an approval

771
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:38,960
process like this. They still have to

772
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,799
make application and they're reviewed by

773
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,919
staff administratively and approved. But

774
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:47,679
um as you can see here a a to not have

775
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:48,960
to go through a project signage plan.

776
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,000
You can have a monument sign um or a

777
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,679
freestanding sign and you can have one

778
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:56,799
per street frontage. So if it has one

779
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,080
street frontage, you can have one. If it

780
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,520
has a corner lot, you could have one on

781
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,880
each um street frontage essentially. Um

782
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,039
as well as there's a few other criteria

783
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:10,640
here like copy area and height, etc., Um, so that's just kind of the

784
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,919
standard sign plan application. There's

785
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:15,360
also wall signs, which I didn't include

786
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,039
in this. If you go to the next one,

787
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:18,640
Josh.

788
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,880
So, this is the um newly approved uh

789
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,919
project signage plan code. So, the idea

790
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:27,440
with the project signage plan is it's an

791
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,640
application um that a property owner can

792
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,279
apply for. Um, they have to meet this

793
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,600
criteria though that you see here. uh

794
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,080
they have to be at least four acres in

795
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,159
size um or have 50,000 uh square feet of

796
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,080
building space. So, it can be multiple

797
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,600
buildings. Doesn't have to be just one,

798
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,039
but if they're within 400 feet of uh the

799
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:53,520
interstate of the of an I-15 interstate

800
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,919
uh interchange and the rightway right

801
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:58,159
ofway of that interchange, which was

802
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,080
fleshed out by Councilman Marshall last

803
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,679
night, um then that building space

804
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:06,640
requirement is waved. Um, but the whole

805
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,200
point here being someone could apply to

806
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,200
have signage that doesn't conform to the

807
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,200
what we would normally just approve

808
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,559
administratively or review

809
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:17,120
administratively, I should say. Um, so

810
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,399
this could be extra height, more signs,

811
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:23,360
it could be um extra copy area,

812
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,360
something like that. Uh, Canyon Creek,

813
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,520
it's a popular one, lots of signage on

814
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,039
Canyon Creek. They have a project

815
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,520
signage plan. Um, and the idea is it

816
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,799
comes to the planning commission and

817
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,960
then it come goes to the the council for

818
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,519
approval. If you go to the next slide.

819
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,120
So, the first one we're talking about

820
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,000
today is um what we're going to call the

821
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,200
Maverick. It's the Maverick site here.

822
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,720
Um,

823
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,880
it's um in total somewhere in the

824
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,600
ballpark of sevenish acres, I believe.

825
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,240
Um, I might be off on that by a by a

826
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,720
smidge. Um, and if you go to the next

827
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,360
slide, this is what's existing on the

828
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,440
site today. It's currently the car

829
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,760
dealership. They have um a couple of

830
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,720
freestanding signs already out there on

831
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,320
the frontage that are going to be

832
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,080
removed. If you go to the next slide, so

833
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,640
this is their overall signage plan. So

834
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,159
there's kind of chaotic. There's a lot

835
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:20,159
of signs here. Most of these totally

836
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,960
fine, conform just like normal. Um,

837
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,799
wouldn't necessarily need any kind of

838
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,960
project signage plan. There are just a

839
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,640
couple of them that um that don't

840
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,159
necessarily conform um to our our normal

841
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:36,960
standards. Um

842
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,159
it's going to be signs

843
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:42,640
one here which if you go to the next

844
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,159
slide,

845
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:47,039
this is sign one. Um they are requesting

846
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,159
80 feet in height. The limit or the uh

847
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:53,039
um our normal requirement is 35 feet in

848
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,399
height. Um, and it has with when you

849
00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,720
combine all three of those signs

850
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,320
together, it has about 1,200 square feet

851
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,440
of copy area. Um, so that's combination

852
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,320
of all of those. Um, if you go to the

853
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,320
next slide, it'll look very similar, but

854
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,760
this is the other sign that doesn't

855
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,919
necessarily conform just from a copy

856
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:15,360
area standpoint. It's actually only 30

857
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,519
feet tall, so it is within the height

858
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,600
requirement. Um, but it has

859
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,320
I have the number here.

860
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,519
211 square feet of copy area. I think on

861
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,159
the sheet it says 194. I did the math

862
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:33,440
again today. It came to 211. Um so at

863
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,120
least from my calculations and I'm no

864
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,799
mathematician but I think it's a little

865
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,640
bit over. Um but regardless that would

866
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,600
be our second um freestanding sign on

867
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,760
the same frontage. So that's over the

868
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,600
requirement in terms of freestanding

869
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,080
signs. Um and then if you go to the next

870
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,200
slide, the only other one is um this

871
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,880
scales sign. This is actually not on the

872
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,279
frontage. It's uh kind of set back, but

873
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,360
it still is another freestanding sign.

874
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,519
Um it's about 21 and a half ft tall. Um

875
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:07,200
with 108 square ft of copy area. Um so

876
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,440
all in all, that's the signage that

877
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Maverick is proposing. That's why they

878
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,159
need the project signage plan.

879
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:15,919
>> And the overall height of that one is

880
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:16,320
what?

881
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,520
>> 21 ft. some roughly 21 feet and four and

882
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,280
a half inches or something like that.

883
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,200
>> But that one's not on the frontage.

884
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,800
That's back within the property.

885
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,679
>> Yeah, it still is um another

886
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,599
freestanding sign though. So it means

887
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,520
they are asking for three instead of the

888
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,599
what we would allow for is one on the

889
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:36,879
property. Um

890
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:37,919
>> two

891
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:39,440
>> or two because you're right, it's a

892
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,919
corner. Um so this would be the the

893
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:43,119
third one even though it's not on the

894
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:47,679
front edge, it's set back. Um, but those

895
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:48,879
are those are kind of the three signs.

896
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,159
If you go to the next slide, I think I

897
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,240
have something else. Oh, here's like a

898
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,919
visual rendering. It's really hard to

899
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:56,560
see um of what the sign would look like.

900
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,599
Uh if so, if you're heading northbound,

901
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,680
that's the sign there. If you're heading

902
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,359
southbound, I think that's the sign

903
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:05,760
there. Um

904
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,440
so that's that's a rendering of what

905
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,599
that 80 foot tall sign would look like.

906
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,520
Um if you go to the next slide,

907
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,240
>> a question about that. the the cat scale

908
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,160
sign. I assume I mean I don't know that

909
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,520
you're including this, but I I would

910
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,200
assume we can't see that from

911
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,200
>> Yeah, that one's only that's only 21 and

912
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,599
a half ft tallish. That one is

913
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,280
>> would be obscured by the height of

914
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,640
>> Yeah. And even you can't see the other

915
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,240
one either, I don't think, in this the

916
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,520
30 foot tall other Maverick pole sign.

917
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,599
>> That's also just too short to see.

918
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,040
>> So that's the only one you can see is

919
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,240
that that 80 foot tall and I believe

920
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,079
that's why they're requesting it. Um the

921
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,359
applicants here though and they'd be

922
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:40,800
happy to talk about kind of the the

923
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,960
signage on the property. Um, if you go

924
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,000
to the next slide, I don't remember if I

925
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000
have anything else. Oh. Um, so that's

926
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,560
the motion. Just a simple motion, but

927
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,160
um, yeah, that's what they're proposing.

928
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,440
Sorry, there's a lot of numbers and

929
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,800
signs there. If you go all the way back

930
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,280
to the the kind of overall Yeah, that

931
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,839
thing. So sign one, this is Main Street.

932
00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:00,320
Sign one, which is the 80 foot one. Sign

933
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,520
two, this one is 30 feet. And then sign

934
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,599
12 is the scales one set back a little

935
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,720
bit further.

936
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:09,680
And then these are all

937
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,119
>> So sign one is two signs facing

938
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:14,640
>> northbound and southbound.

939
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,320
>> It's the same sign. Yeah. Yeah. Same

940
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,359
sign facing the two directions. Yeah.

941
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:20,720
>> And then Yeah. Don't There's a lot of

942
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,000
other signs here. They all meet the

943
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,839
code. They all They're all totally fine.

944
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:27,359
Just directional signs.

945
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:28,960
>> The site map to show us where because

946
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,240
didn't the first show where maybe it's

947
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,400
the next one. There's existing signs on

948
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,760
this property, right?

949
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,880
>> Yes. Correct.

950
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,280
>> Um

951
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,880
>> the dealership signs. Yeah, the

952
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640
dealership signs didn't show it what

953
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,440
they were in one of the that one

954
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,640
existing card.

955
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,880
>> How how tall are those existing signs

956
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,920
that

957
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,040
>> you know I actually don't have a

958
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,200
measurement for those.

959
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,079
>> 47 ft.

960
00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:00,230
Okay.

961
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,160
So, we have two signs there that are 47

962
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,119
feet existing.

963
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:09,359
>> Are they both 47 ft? The ship sign's 47

964
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:10,400
sign's a little bit shorter.

965
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,320
>> Gotcha. Yeah, that's what I figured.

966
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,160
>> And our existing sign code is the height

967
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,599
is 35 ft.

968
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,960
>> 35 ft for a freestanding sign. Yeah.

969
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,320
And then we'll get into monument signs

970
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,680
at the next one. There's not really any

971
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,960
monument signs here,

972
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,280
>> but this this

973
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040
gas station, Maverick, is going to be

974
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,280
trying to draw people off the freeway.

975
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,280
And we have an overpass right there.

976
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,800
>> Yep.

977
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,200
And they're taking over the whole like

978
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,920
Doug Smith is going away and Naverick's

979
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,240
taking over the whole

980
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:42,880
parcel.

981
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,640
>> I could have the the applicants maybe

982
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,560
speak to some of those.

983
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:47,359
>> No,

984
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:48,240
>> not all of it.

985
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,000
>> Dealings a little bit more in detail

986
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,960
potentially.

987
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,040
>> Thought it was part of it.

988
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,440
>> Okay.

989
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,000
>> One day, right?

990
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,440
>> We'll ask that later.

991
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,720
>> Other questions for staff? So, you're

992
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,359
going to have one one sign, the big one,

993
00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:09,680
that they're going to face towards the

994
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,760
freeway.

995
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,520
>> Yeah. So, to draw from the freeway,

996
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,560
>> my understanding is this one is going to

997
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,920
be the one that's most visible from the

998
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,160
freeway. This one, I don't know exactly

999
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,359
what the visibility is going to look

1000
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:20,960
like. There's there's not a rendering of

1001
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,480
this one, I don't believe. This one will

1002
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,920
I think the idea is for it to be more

1003
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,160
local road kind of visibility on Main

1004
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,800
Street there. And this one, this one's

1005
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,320
going to be

1006
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,280
>> 80 feet tall.

1007
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,320
>> 80 feet.

1008
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,240
>> And then what about the other one was

1009
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:34,880
30?

1010
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,640
>> Yeah. 30t tall.

1011
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,280
>> And that's within the codes.

1012
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,000
>> Yeah. So that one would wise it did, but

1013
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:42,880
not not

1014
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,480
>> copy size. Y had bigger. based off my

1015
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,520
math um which

1016
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,079
feel free to um correct me but I came to

1017
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,760
211

1018
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,680
um square feet and I believe the maximum

1019
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,640
is 200 square feet of copy area

1020
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,839
>> that's what's allowed

1021
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:01,520
>> yeah so that would be that allowed

1022
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400
normally to 35 height of 35 ft 200

1023
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,520
square feet of copy area

1024
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,240
>> so for comparison Canyon Creek we have

1025
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,720
some with very large sign what's the

1026
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,040
size of that just so I can

1027
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,520
>> so you've got a 100 foot sign a 65 foot

1028
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,160
sign, a 51 foot sign, and a 45 foot

1029
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:20,640
sign.

1030
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,040
>> Okay.

1031
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,119
>> Um and then they have a number of

1032
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,520
monument signs and other signage as well

1033
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,359
on site, but those are kind of the big

1034
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:28,640
>> But the main thing we want to know is

1035
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,560
Canyon Creek has one that's that's

1036
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,400
higher than the eight what's they're

1037
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,520
asking at the 80.

1038
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,839
>> Yeah. And those are very substantially I

1039
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:37,920
guess similarly adjacent to 15.

1040
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,359
Actually, maybe a little further off of

1041
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:40,000
15, right?

1042
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,040
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think

1043
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,880
>> I think the tallest one is over by

1044
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,280
Hedro, which is kind of right by I-15

1045
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,359
and Highway 6,

1046
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:47,839
>> right?

1047
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:50,560
>> And then just a an additional plug, I

1048
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,079
don't recall who was on the planning

1049
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:53,680
commission the last time we looked at

1050
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,359
the project signage plan. I believe it

1051
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:57,920
was the hospital that we looked at.

1052
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,240
>> Yeah,

1053
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,599
>> I'm seeing a few heads.

1054
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,800
>> We looked at that Cane Creek sign also.

1055
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,839
>> Yeah, correct.

1056
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:05,599
>> And then Ian, before you step away,

1057
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,200
maybe if you don't mind, just go over

1058
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,040
the criteria that we're generally

1059
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,760
looking at. It's on the slide with the

1060
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,160
>> Yeah.

1061
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,560
>> text amendment.

1062
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,710
>> Go back a couple.

1063
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:23,119
» Yes. So, um, this, like I said, is a

1064
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,359
recommendation to the council. Um, and

1065
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:28,079
it's your job and the council's job to

1066
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,960
just consider the impacts uh of these

1067
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,440
proposed signs on surrounding property

1068
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,200
owners, which the Maverick site has uh a

1069
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,359
PDM steel to the northwest. Is it?

1070
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:41,760
>> Yeah.

1071
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,800
>> West. Um, it's got Main Street there

1072
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,760
along the east. It's got the highway

1073
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,200
there to the south and then it's got a

1074
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,200
public street to the north. Um

1075
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,920
uh and then just considering the the

1076
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,480
potential uh commerce that the proposed

1077
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,040
signage could create and the visibility

1078
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,520
from from highways. So like I said, this

1079
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,720
is recommendation to the council. Um

1080
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,880
just like all project signage plans.

1081
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,760
>> Uh did you say it would block some

1082
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,240
visibility to these signs would block

1083
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,640
some visibility? I don't know if they

1084
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,079
>> surrounding

1085
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:19,359
>> I don't think they're going to block any

1086
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:22,079
visibility from anything. Um, if you go

1087
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:25,040
to the rendering, maybe

1088
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,430
you can see.

1089
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,839
Yeah. So, that's it's really it's it's

1090
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:34,319
quite small, but this is this is the

1091
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:36,000
signage here. So, I don't I don't

1092
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,680
believe it's impeding anything any other

1093
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,119
signage or or or businesses. And then I

1094
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,079
think it's this one

1095
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,400
looking southbound.

1096
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,240
>> I assume there's no consideration

1097
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:49,599
airport. Obviously, if we're talking

1098
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,280
about the signs at Canyon Creek being

1099
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,280
larger here, there's no concerns from

1100
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,960
the airport or anything like that.

1101
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,880
>> Um, no, I don't I don't believe so. I do

1102
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,119
need to check with Christian on that.

1103
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,319
Um, but my understanding is is no.

1104
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:05,520
Christian's the airport manager.

1105
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,119
>> I'm a pilot.

1106
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,000
>> Oh, there you go. Perfect.

1107
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,640
>> That's not These aren't even close.

1108
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Not even close on the the descent path

1109
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,000
on the other side is a lot higher

1110
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,760
anyway. You wouldn't have any FAA issues

1111
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,640
on this side.

1112
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
>> Just a reminder all comments if we can

1113
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,920
do them at the microphone so our many

1114
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,800
viewers at home can catch it.

1115
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,880
>> So

1116
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,640
my question would be if this is approved

1117
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,920
80 foot sign there you've already

1118
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,319
approved 100 foot or whatever up to

1119
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,880
Canyan Creek. So the kind of already

1120
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,839
opened the floodgates here, but what if

1121
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:44,640
I don't know Humphrey Welding's across

1122
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,280
the street besides they want an 80 foot

1123
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,319
sign somebody else? Are we opening up?

1124
00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:54,800
>> Totally up to your discretion.

1125
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,160
>> I mean because if we we allow one, we've

1126
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,960
already allowed some. failed another one

1127
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,960
and then you deny some is the city going

1128
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,680
to become liable.

1129
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,839
>> I don't believe Humphrey Welding is 4

1130
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:10,079
acres in size.

1131
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:11,119
>> No, there's there's a

1132
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:12,880
>> you're looking at 4 acre sites or

1133
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,440
larger.

1134
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,119
>> Yeah, but there there could be you're establishing a precedent,

1135
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,440
>> but you got PDM behind them

1136
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,440
>> and the way the code is written is it's

1137
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,599
not a it's not a a standard that is

1138
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,760
given. It's still at the discretion of

1139
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920
the council.

1140
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,800
But does that open

1141
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,800
>> It's not given by right. It's it's it's

1142
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,280
okay.

1143
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,640
>> It's discretionary. But does that become

1144
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,000
a possible lawsuit to the city because

1145
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,800
they're allowing one

1146
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,800
property and not another property?

1147
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,079
>> I don't believe it would in the sense

1148
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:54,560
that this was discussed last night. Um,

1149
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,680
as far as amendments to the code, um,

1150
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,839
our legal team was involved in the

1151
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:02,640
review of of the code and we have not

1152
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200
heard any concerns, uh, from them as far

1153
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,680
as having this as an option for

1154
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:19,030
qualifying sites.

1155
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,599
» Okay.

1156
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,200
>> Thank you, Ian. Of course,

1157
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,680
>> as always, it was very well done. You

1158
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,040
pulled the information out that Paul is

1159
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,160
trying to stump you on. You had it right

1160
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,760
there for you. Good job.

1161
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,119
>> Thank you. Thank you again.

1162
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:32,319
>> Um, did the applicant want to come up

1163
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:37,270
and address anything on this topic?

1164
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,440
» Good evening. My name is Rick Magnus and

1165
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,480
I am the consulting engineer for this

1166
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,280
project, this Maverick project. And a

1167
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,119
couple things first in the audience, I

1168
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,079
have uh Mr. Rich Pigot who represents

1169
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:53,440
Maverick on this on this project. I

1170
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,359
think you can hear some Dave Smith

1171
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:58,319
people here too which I haven't really

1172
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:00,640
met or discuss or talked to before. But

1173
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,599
then I also have my colleague uh Sheamus

1174
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:05,680
and once again my name is Rick Magnus

1175
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,240
with AWA Engineering

1176
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,000
2010

1177
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,040
uh North Redwood Road Salt Lake City

1178
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,359
Utah. And if you want to know anything

1179
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:18,560
more about me you can ask. Um, so a

1180
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,800
couple of things. This the parcel that

1181
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,119
will be uh purchased by Maverick is just

1182
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,680
over 7 acres, 7 and a half. And then we

1183
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,200
are going to be um subdividing that

1184
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680
property. And the property that Maverick

1185
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,119
sits on is just over four acres and then

1186
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,040
the remainder parcel be give or take

1187
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,960
three acres. So just to kind of give to

1188
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,319
you an idea of how that's going to work

1189
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:47,760
out. If am I able to move the slides or

1190
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,160
do you guys move the slides?

1191
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,240
>> Oh my don't get me near that thing.

1192
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,349
>> Um

1193
00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:01,280
» you're still recording. So yeah, if we

1194
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,119
could just go back to the the front of

1195
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:06,319
this. So this is this is the this

1196
00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:10,560
reflects the just over 4 acre parcel

1197
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,280
that will be occupied by Maverick. I

1198
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,400
know it's kind of faint, but here you

1199
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,280
have the store location. Here you have

1200
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,440
what's called the fourcourt. That's

1201
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,720
where regular passengers, pickup trucks

1202
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,200
kind of go. And then back here will be

1203
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,839
where the larger um trucks will go. And

1204
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:34,400
so you have kind of a good circulation

1205
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,119
pattern just off of the roadway. The

1206
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:38,800
reason why I'm showing you the site plan

1207
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,160
is, as Ian pointed out, there's three

1208
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,400
sign locations. Even though this looks

1209
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,560
like the little guy, he's actually the

1210
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,440
big guy. We just couldn't fit him there.

1211
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,440
And then this is the one up on the

1212
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,920
corner. And if we would just love to we

1213
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,040
we'll just have the square footage of

1214
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,720
the sign meet your code at 200 square

1215
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,400
feet. we're a little bit over like a

1216
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,440
211. So, we'll just make it comply with

1217
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,319
codes so that we don't really have to,

1218
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,319
you know, you can just consider that.

1219
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:14,560
The reason why this sign is located

1220
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,119
here, and I know it appears it's two

1221
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:20,960
signs on one frontage, but we considered

1222
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,079
and what we talked about with staff is

1223
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,680
having the frontage actually be the I-15

1224
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,000
rightway that runs along there and use

1225
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,400
that as one of the frontages. So, right

1226
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,359
along here is I15 right away. So, the

1227
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,839
way that the

1228
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,079
um the text amendment was written and

1229
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,720
approved by your uh city council last

1230
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:50,720
night, it talks about a 400 ft distance

1231
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,359
from an interchange

1232
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:57,839
to I-15. So, it's right within the realm

1233
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:00,560
of the interchange where that 400 foot

1234
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,800
would would apply, not up and down I-15.

1235
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,319
If that kind of lends any um discussion

1236
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:10,880
or comfort to you, could we go to the

1237
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,599
next slide, please?

1238
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,160
Also, while we're doing that, I want to

1239
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,560
just I got to thank your staff. Your

1240
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,640
staff, you have a wonderful staff here

1241
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,520
at the city. I'm sorry to hear that Ian

1242
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,359
wants to go to Colorado, man. Maybe we

1243
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:29,359
can throw in a last minute um will I get

1244
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:31,680
deliver donuts to you every week or

1245
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,040
something. Maybe that'll keep you here.

1246
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,680
I don't know. So, this is the this is

1247
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,400
the signage that we're looking for the

1248
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,440
height increase as well as the square

1249
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,880
footage increase. Once again, this is up

1250
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,359
against I15

1251
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:50,559
and the way and the configuration of the

1252
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,599
interchange makes it so that the height

1253
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,480
is kind of a necessary thing. And I'll show you in the next slide, if you

1254
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,119
will.

1255
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,079
I'm afraid this that that shows the sign

1256
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:05,599
that we're going to put on the very

1257
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,200
north um the north corner so that it

1258
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,920
will comply with your code. So, we'll

1259
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,720
shave off the uh the 11 square ft uh

1260
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,440
calculations so that it meets your code.

1261
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,319
Next slide, please. This slide is

1262
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:23,920
actually located once again on the south

1263
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,119
basically the southwest

1264
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:31,599
corner interior well interior to the

1265
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:36,720
site. um it pro it's it's just as high

1266
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,599
as it's not even as high as our fuel

1267
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:43,280
canopy for the larger trucks. And all it

1268
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,960
does is it indicates I don't know if

1269
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,119
you're familiar with interstate rules

1270
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,680
that trucks need to that travel on the

1271
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,839
interstate they need to weigh themselves

1272
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:54,480
every once in a while. CAT scale is the

1273
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,000
largest

1274
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,040
worldwide as far as scale programs that

1275
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:04,319
weigh and um so that's just identifying

1276
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:06,319
the entrance to that scale that they're

1277
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:09,040
going to use. So that's something that

1278
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,359
um the orientation of it should not even

1279
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:12,960
affect

1280
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,319
uh you know I-15 travelers and it's well

1281
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:19,200
interior of the other perimeter streets.

1282
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,599
So I wanted to just cover that. If you

1283
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,920
go to the next slide. So, here's

1284
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,760
something I wanted to just discuss just

1285
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,800
a little bit. It's I I I want you to

1286
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,880
know that usually companies just don't

1287
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,119
go throw a big old sign up because they

1288
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,920
want to because costs per square feet as

1289
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,680
you increase the height become very

1290
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,800
expensive as you go higher and higher.

1291
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,359
The reason for the 80 um the 80 foot

1292
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:50,160
high sign and Ian described it very

1293
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,880
well. this little guy here, which you

1294
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,440
know, you're trying to see this as you

1295
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,000
are driving southbound.

1296
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,440
The the importance of a sign when it's

1297
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,119
adjacent to a rideway or a street is you

1298
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,599
consider the speed of the vehicles that

1299
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,040
are on the road, where the accesses are

1300
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,480
to then exit, and then are you giving

1301
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,920
enough distance time for a safe approach

1302
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,720
to exit or um to exit either side. So

1303
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:26,880
the northbound, what's interesting is

1304
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,079
here on the southbound, this picture is taken

1305
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,119
just a little bit before the the exit,

1306
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,040
but it's to show you that about this

1307
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,000
point is where a driver needs to decide,

1308
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,240
oh, I see the fuel changers and now I

1309
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:48,000
can make start to make my approach to be

1310
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,480
in the right hand lane and make that

1311
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,839
exit, which um

1312
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:56,079
which we also show in the plan view up

1313
00:51:56,079 --> 00:52:00,079
here. Up here is where these exits are.

1314
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:01,760
I just show you the exits. I don't show

1315
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,599
you the distances needed to make that

1316
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,640
decision. Here, once again, on the

1317
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,800
northbound, we're showing you where the

1318
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,160
exit is. Much further back, almost down

1319
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960
here, is where you're going to need to

1320
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,040
start making a decision to get on there.

1321
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,400
And once again, the 80 foot doesn't

1322
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,640
really is just giving notice that, hey,

1323
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,920
here's where you're going to need to

1324
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,720
make a decision and get and get and make

1325
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:31,200
it so you don't pass that exit. Um,

1326
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,520
of course, these the fuel price

1327
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,680
changers, they're not they don't they're

1328
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,559
not continuous. They just are price

1329
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:41,280
changers. They will change when fuel

1330
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,880
price changes. So, you may see that once

1331
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,960
a day, but will you notice it? Not

1332
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,920
really. Um, that will just be an

1333
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,160
identifier that there is something there

1334
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,000
for for them to exit off of. So, I

1335
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,839
wanted to explain that a little bit, why

1336
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:00,000
those photos were taken at the position

1337
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,240
that they were when you're looking at

1338
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,440
that. And of course with this concave

1339
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,000
inter uh interchange that you've got,

1340
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,480
that's why the orientation of the sign

1341
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,400
is kind of at a 45 degree uh so they can

1342
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,400
orient and reach the visibility of those

1343
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,720
um those vehicles that are traveling

1344
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,040
northbound and southbound.

1345
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,920
>> Great.

1346
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:30,079
>> Um and then if we go to what is the last slide. Yeah, I like I like

1347
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,000
this slide a lot. if you'll show that

1348
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,559
slide again. Yeah, I like that slide.

1349
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,680
So, anyway, I'm just we concur with

1350
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,200
staff recommendations and I'm here just

1351
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,960
to answer any questions that you may

1352
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,480
have.

1353
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,079
>> Does any have any questions?

1354
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:54,470
>> Thank you.

1355
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,559
» Now, we've heard from staff and then had

1356
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,800
it repeated with the applicant. Do you

1357
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,359
have any comments from the

1358
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:03,520
commissioners?

1359
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,960
>> Uh, I can see

1360
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,720
how you guys were talking about like

1361
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,559
yes, this kind of sets a precedent. So

1362
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:12,720
like we asked how tall Canyon Creek was.

1363
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,160
That one kind of set it. But then if

1364
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,400
we're like, okay,

1365
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,680
how tall is Canyon Creek and

1366
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,079
Maverick? Okay, then we can give then we

1367
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,480
can approve some other taller signs in

1368
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,800
the same kind of configuration.

1369
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,599
It does open the door wider. Uh I really

1370
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,599
I take a lot of road trips and I look

1371
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,000
for maverick signs

1372
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,400
and I like to have them tall so that I

1373
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,920
can see them with enough time to get

1374
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,240
over to move over. So I think it I I

1375
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:47,599
think it makes sense and I would

1376
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:49,599
recommend it.

1377
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,359
And this one, as this one does have,

1378
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:52,960
like Brandon was stating, it does have

1379
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,559
some criteria built into it.

1380
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:55,119
>> Yeah, I like that.

1381
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:57,680
>> And it still leaves the decision making

1382
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,520
in the council's hands.

1383
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,280
>> So, it's it's not a by right thing,

1384
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,400
which

1385
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,079
>> I like. And I and I I don't I also do

1386
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,960
not like broad changes um for sight

1387
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,760
specific problems, but this one with the

1388
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,400
configuration of I-15 along that area,

1389
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,640
the height is kind of needed for that

1390
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,880
area. Not kind of, it's very much needed

1391
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,880
for that area.

1392
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,720
And if the applicant changing one to

1393
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,920
comply, then that's a that's a good step

1394
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,160
forward, too.

1395
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,000
Um,

1396
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,160
I don't like the height of it. I'm fine

1397
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,240
with the the scale sign. It's in within

1398
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,839
the property and that that's like, yeah,

1399
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:43,760
necessary needed, but um

1400
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,680
I don't like the precedence of the

1401
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,240
height of the sign.

1402
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:52,720
Not that I'm against it because

1403
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,920
I can see the necessity for it. And

1404
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,280
we've got other signs throughout the

1405
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,280
city. I've been at other communities and

1406
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,359
drive through and and they don't allow

1407
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:05,520
those things. It's very nice because you

1408
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,599
lose that sight pollution,

1409
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,240
but

1410
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,799
we've we're way behind that here in this

1411
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:21,200
area in our county and this city. So, um

1412
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,599
yeah, that's all I got to say.

1413
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,160
>> I think I'm I'm with Sean. I like I mean

1414
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,559
no none of us want to go outside but I

1415
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:29,760
think it makes sense where they put it

1416
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,000
on the property and with I-15 it makes

1417
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,000
sense to me.

1418
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,440
>> Okay.

1419
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,440
>> Uh thanks everybody. Enjoy the comments.

1420
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,480
>> I have one other thing to say. I I mean

1421
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,040
going along with opens the door. Our

1422
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,359
very next one is

1423
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:48,319
another really tall sign proposal

1424
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:50,240
right right by it. Mhm.

1425
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,520
>> So, is that what we're Is that are we

1426
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,119
wanting to open this door? Is this

1427
00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:00,950
something that we feel good with?

1428
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,799
» Dave, you seem like you're uncomfortable

1429
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:03,040
with

1430
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,960
>> I'm uncomfortable with it because but I

1431
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,799
think the doors

1432
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:10,480
already been pressed wide open because

1433
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,880
they've allowed other properties to do

1434
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,760
it. So, I

1435
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,839
you know, if it was the first one, I'd

1436
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:19,760
say no.

1437
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,839
um where it's already been allowed and

1438
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:25,040
we're behind the gun on this. I

1439
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,040
Yeah.

1440
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:32,230
Um, I do

1441
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,559
in my core I believe the property owner

1442
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:35,760
should be able to do what they want to

1443
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,160
do with their properties and stuff

1444
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,549
>> and

1445
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:43,599
um,

1446
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:45,119
>> as long as it doesn't impact others

1447
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,440
negatively, which your comment about

1448
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,200
sight pollution does impact.

1449
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,799
>> I mean, that's that's my main thing. I

1450
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:52,799
mean, because you cannot drive down I-15

1451
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:55,599
without seeing signs and

1452
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:58,720
>> billboards and whatnot and then you go

1453
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,319
to certain other communities and they

1454
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:07,599
don't have billboards and and it's it's nice. It's not as

1455
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,599
convenient because you don't know what's

1456
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:12,160
coming up all the time,

1457
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,520
but um we are where we're at right now.

1458
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,480
So,

1459
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:16,960
>> yeah,

1460
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,040
>> good comments.

1461
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,640
Um,

1462
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,359
so these these

1463
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:26,000
this applies probably to both the the

1464
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,559
topics we're going to hear about.

1465
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:33,839
Um, they both comply with the same the wordage that was put in the verbiage

1466
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:36,640
that was put into the amendment.

1467
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,640
Um,

1468
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,000
both these fall underneath those same

1469
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:40,880
criterias.

1470
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,400
>> The the next one you're going to see

1471
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,440
actually would have complied without any

1472
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,079
kind of amendment required. Um just the

1473
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:49,599
Maverick site was a

1474
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:51,200
>> okay

1475
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:51,920
little off.

1476
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,720
>> No, thank you for that clarification.

1477
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,440
Any other comments?

1478
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,400
>> I'll entertain a motion.

1479
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:06,549
I think would be

1480
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,520
recommending the text change for

1481
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,559
approval.

1482
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:10,960
>> Correct.

1483
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,599
>> Sorry, not the text change. Um it'd be

1484
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,359
the project signage plan.

1485
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:17,440
>> Oh, okay. I move to recommend approval

1486
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,160
of the proposed Maverick project signage

1487
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,359
plan. Thanks for typing that out for us.

1488
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:24,720
>> I love it when they do that. I have a

1489
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,000
motion. Do I have a second?

1490
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:26,640
>> Second.

1491
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,720
>> I have a motion to second. All in favor?

1492
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:29,440
>> I.

1493
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,839
>> Any oppose?

1494
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:32,880
>> Okay. Thank you.

1495
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,829
>> Thank you very much. Thank you.

1496
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:40,160
» Okay. Okay, sticking with the theme,

1497
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,960
we're up now roughly 2940 north, 200

1498
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,960
east. Um, this is the

1499
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,920
soon to be 2700 North, 2700 North

1500
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,440
interchange. Um, if you go to the next

1501
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,680
slide. So, this is the um this is the

1502
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,400
new proposed Doug Smith site. So you can

1503
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,280
see a theme cross over maybe from the

1504
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,440
last Maverick site to this one. Um so

1505
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,559
here they are proposing a few signs. Um

1506
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:18,000
same kind of criteria as before. Um so

1507
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,760
first I'll go over the the pole signs

1508
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,640
that they are proposing and then I'll

1509
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,240
touch on the monument signs because we

1510
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,119
didn't have to touch on that before.

1511
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:31,119
So they are Doug Smith is proposing um

1512
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:34,319
four freestanding pole signs um but they

1513
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:36,240
are a little bit shorter than um at

1514
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,520
least the tallest one we saw with

1515
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,319
Maverick. Um there are two freestanding

1516
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:42,960
pole signs that are proposed to be 50

1517
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,559
feet. Those are the two that are going

1518
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,359
to be along I15 there. So those are

1519
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:52,880
going to be 50 feet. Um one and then the

1520
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,559
other two are going to be roughly 20

1521
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:57,280
feet. Um I think one's 21 feet and the

1522
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,040
other's 20 feet. Um they and all of

1523
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,520
these combined and those two, sorry, are

1524
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,280
on the uh those two are on the south

1525
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,839
side here. Um which will be like a

1526
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:11,119
there's going to be like a axis into the

1527
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,880
property from the south there. Um

1528
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,119
respectively, these signs have copy

1529
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:21,760
areas of 158 square feet and 225 square

1530
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,599
ft for the bigger ones. Those are their copy areas, the ones that are on

1531
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,760
the I-15.

1532
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,720
Um, and then 42 feet and 53.5 square

1533
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,799
feet for the other ones. Um, so that's

1534
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:37,680
those are their um poll signs um that

1535
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,520
they're proposing. So the tallest going

1536
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,640
to be 50 and the largest copy area one

1537
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,440
is going to be have 225 square feet of

1538
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,400
copy area. Um,

1539
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,599
now let's touch on maybe the monument

1540
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:57,119
signs. Um so monument sign criteria um

1541
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:58,960
is that if we were looking at just

1542
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,599
standard code what we require is one

1543
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:05,200
foot high pedestal um not exceed 5t in

1544
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,960
height above the pedestal and have a

1545
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,400
copy area of 48 square feet or less. So

1546
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,359
that's the just the standard um monument

1547
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:15,760
sign kind of requirement that we would

1548
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,359
go off of if they someone was not

1549
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:21,440
proposing a project signage plan. Um,

1550
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,119
this site is proposing to have a few

1551
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:30,160
monument signs as well. Um, they're 11

1552
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:35,119
feet with a copy area of 66 ft, 10 feet

1553
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,119
with a copy area of 53 and a half square

1554
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:40,000
feet. Another one at 10 feet with a copy

1555
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,400
area of 32.3 ft. Um, and then 20 feet

1556
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,640
with a copy area of 48.9 square ft. Um,

1557
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,640
and those are going to be mostly up

1558
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,119
here. And then there will be one down

1559
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:58,240
here with the other signs. Um,

1560
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,400
so those ones are they're a little bit

1561
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,200
taller than what we would normally,

1562
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,640
you know, what we would normally say a

1563
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,079
site could have for a monument sign.

1564
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,480
Have a little bit more copy area than

1565
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,480
what we would also normally say. Um, but

1566
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:13,520
in general, that's what they're

1567
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,319
proposing. If you go to the next slide,

1568
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:20,079
um, here we have all those signs. So,

1569
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:24,559
the tall ones are going to be sign one

1570
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:27,839
and sign two. Those are the 50 foot tall

1571
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:30,240
signs. So, a Chevy one and a Chrysler

1572
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,799
Jeep Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram sign. Um,

1573
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:36,319
and then this is one of the 20 foot tall

1574
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:38,160
pole signs. There will be two of these,

1575
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,240
I believe, is the idea. One will be 10

1576
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,799
feet and one will be 20 feet. And then

1577
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:44,160
this one will be 20 feet. And this will

1578
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:50,390
be 10 feet. And this will be

1579
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,039
which one is sign three? Sorry, there's

1580
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:54,880
so many. I've been looking at a lot of

1581
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,079
sign stuff recently. That one will be 11

1582
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,480
ft.

1583
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,440
So, lot of numbers there. I really do

1584
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,240
apologize. Um,

1585
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,240
this one, like I mentioned, would have

1586
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,160
met the code before the amendment also

1587
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,559
because we require um 50,000 square feet

1588
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:17,680
of building space. This one, this site

1589
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,400
in general will have a combined 57,000

1590
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,640
square feet of building space roughly.

1591
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,520
Um, and it's over 9 acres, so it meets

1592
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,680
the both acreage and building space

1593
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,079
requirement. So the 400 feet to an I-15

1594
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:34,319
interchange right ofway is not

1595
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:36,480
necessarily needed for this. It would

1596
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,960
have met the requirement regardless.

1597
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,760
>> Okay. So what is over

1598
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,240
uh the which of the you gave us a whole

1599
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,400
bunch of I know I'm sorry numbers. So

1600
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,319
what makes it so they can't do this by

1601
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:50,880
right besides the height the two tall

1602
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:51,359
ones.

1603
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:53,599
>> Yeah, great question. Um one of them is

1604
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,559
over in copy area. I think it's sign two

1605
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,880
is 225 square feet of copy area I

1606
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,680
believe and instead of 200 precisely.

1607
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:06,240
>> Um and then the monument signs are um

1608
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,160
almost all of them are taller than what

1609
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,400
we would require and some of them are

1610
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,480
over in copy area by 20 or 30 square

1611
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,079
feet roughly.

1612
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:17,839
>> How much how much taller are they than

1613
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:18,880
they should be?

1614
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,240
>> Let's see which one's the I think the

1615
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,880
tallest one is 20 feet. So that would be

1616
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,559
14 feet higher than what we would

1617
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:27,760
normally require because it would

1618
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:28,000
normally

1619
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,119
>> Which one are you 20 foot? I'm wondering

1620
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:32,559
if that would be more of a freestanding

1621
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:33,039
sign.

1622
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:33,680
>> I think this one,

1623
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:34,799
>> not a monument sign.

1624
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:38,000
>> I I see it as a monument sign. I

1625
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,640
>> I guess it's up to inter interpretation

1626
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,799
to a degree.

1627
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:46,799
Is there a is there a reason why they're

1628
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:50,319
needing them taller above code above

1629
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:53,440
what's that is a great question I would

1630
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,160
ask the the applicant maybe um I don't

1631
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,640
know if I have a a great answer to that

1632
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,400
um

1633
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:06,160
but visibility I would assume um

1634
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,160
>> and all those are going along

1635
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,319
they're going along well I that road. I

1636
01:06:12,319 --> 01:06:14,480
don't know what that road number is, but

1637
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:14,880
the

1638
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:15,280
>> which one?

1639
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,280
>> The east west road on the north side of

1640
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,000
the property, right?

1641
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,200
>> 2940.

1642
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:19,599
>> Yeah.

1643
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:22,240
So, that's 2940 north. So, three

1644
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,839
of them are up there. I think they're

1645
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:25,760
all 10 ft in height. Let me confirm

1646
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,240
that.

1647
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,000
>> That's Yep. Those are all

1648
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,160
>> That's right at the new interchange.

1649
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,079
>> All that. So, just to the new down.

1650
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:33,280
>> New interchange is at the south.

1651
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:34,480
>> Yeah. Sorry. New interchange is right

1652
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,599
there. 29 because that's 2700 north. Um

1653
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:39,039
yeah, these are all going to be 10 feet

1654
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:43,349
tall up here.

1655
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:45,200
And then you do have the elevation

1656
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,640
change with the new offramp that you can

1657
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:52,079
see the angle coming through.

1658
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:54,559
>> I apologize for all the the numbers and

1659
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:55,280
>> it's good.

1660
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,960
>> I didn't hear Brander's comment. What

1661
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:57,920
were you

1662
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,520
>> Sorry, I don't have a pointer so I'm

1663
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,839
just kind of randomly gesturing but um

1664
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:06,079
Ian a second ago was talking about the

1665
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:09,760
visibility. So this is the offramp right

1666
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,280
here. So as it approaches I think

1667
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,839
they're calling it dry creek parkway

1668
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:18,559
interchange. So that this is the

1669
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:20,880
elevated point here. So you have

1670
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,799
frontage down here, frontage up here,

1671
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:27,760
frontage here. Um and so that's probably

1672
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,599
that's my thought as far as the

1673
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,280
increased height for that sign is just

1674
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,280
the obstruction that you're going to get

1675
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,760
with the offramp and the interchange.

1676
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,599
What is this property? There's a wedge

1677
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,680
shape right here.

1678
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,559
>> Detention basin.

1679
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:42,559
>> It's a retention basin.

1680
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,920
>> Yeah, owns it.

1681
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,920
>> So, we want people to focus on the

1682
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,160
beautiful new car dealerships and not on

1683
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,280
the bas. So

1684
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,559
question I guess what's

1685
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:01,200
how standard are these heights

1686
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,119
and areas of the signs with other

1687
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,599
communities with the other cities along

1688
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:10,720
the front here? Are we pretty standard

1689
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,880
and so

1690
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,039
with what you know you see in

1691
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:18,159
Springville, Provo, Oram

1692
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:22,719
or do we know? Um, I don't

1693
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:26,640
want to go too off on a tangent. Um,

1694
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,400
historically

1695
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,080
that changes over time. And I think

1696
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,920
something you commented about with

1697
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,719
Maverick is certain cities have certain

1698
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:39,600
values or things that they prioritize.

1699
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,920
Um, obviously there's many communities,

1700
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,600
especially in the Midwest, where it's

1701
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,560
very appropriate to have high, tall,

1702
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,279
visible signage. Uh, other communities

1703
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:52,000
value the visibility for high-profile

1704
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,679
sites like this one along I-15. Um, but

1705
01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:57,440
I think if you were to do a poll of

1706
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:59,279
cities along the Wasatch front, you'd

1707
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,400
probably get a wide variety. And I would

1708
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,560
guess that our 35 foot is probably on

1709
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,719
the shorter side

1710
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:08,799
for many communities, but some

1711
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:10,480
communities over time have grad

1712
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:13,199
gradually shifted away from taller signs

1713
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,000
except for in what they usually look as

1714
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,199
regional commercial uh locations that

1715
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,199
the commercial there is intended to draw

1716
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:24,239
in uh traffic versus like a neighborhood

1717
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:26,560
commercial store that might be like your

1718
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,040
neighborhood Walmart where it may not

1719
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,759
necessarily need as much signage or as

1720
01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:34,799
visible signage um for their for their

1721
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:35,679
business.

1722
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:44,709
>> Yeah, I understand that.

1723
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:46,239
» Do we want to hear from the applicant?

1724
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:47,679
Ask some of the questions about the size

1725
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:48,719
of the signs.

1726
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:53,749
>> Thanks, guys.

1727
01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:54,880
» How are you guys tonight?

1728
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:55,199
>> Good.

1729
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:57,199
>> I'm Brandon Lundine. with Diversified

1730
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,679
Design Services, out of Murray, um, home

1731
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:02,640
of a lot of car dealerships. And here

1732
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,800
here's the issue with this site. We have

1733
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,679
a new offramp that comes off. And

1734
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:09,199
essentially, when the offramp comes off,

1735
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:12,320
it raises 24 ft. Our new two buildings

1736
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,440
we're putting there are only about 25 ft

1737
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:17,040
tall.

1738
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,239
So, you'll never see the building

1739
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:20,480
signage. So, we've proposed and worked

1740
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:22,719
with the manufacturers to put their

1741
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:25,840
standard 50-ft sign. The Chevrolet sign

1742
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,920
will be the farthest north in the corner

1743
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,360
and it's essentially the sign that's

1744
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:30,640
over here at Doug Smith now. It's the

1745
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,640
same sign. It's 47 feet. We're just

1746
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,159
going to move it over to there. So, that

1747
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:36,239
one's already 47. That's at Doug Smith

1748
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,760
now. And then we have another sign that

1749
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,800
will be for Chrysler, Dodge, um, and

1750
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:46,640
Jeep. And, uh, that sign will be just

1751
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,960
further down I-15. But by going to 50

1752
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,480
ft, what that allows is when someone's

1753
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:51,600
coming north, because right now if

1754
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,040
you're coming if you're heading north on

1755
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,040
I-15, you can't even see the site and

1756
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,159
you won't even know the buildings are

1757
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:57,760
there. Because if you come south and

1758
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,280
look for where Dolly's is, you don't

1759
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:00,719
even know Dolly's is there until bam,

1760
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:01,600
you're right there at the Ford

1761
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,360
dealership. So what we want to do is do

1762
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,840
a 50-ft sign. So that will put our top

1763
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,960
of our sign is roughly 30 foot above the

1764
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,199
finished grade at the at the over at the

1765
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:12,960
interchange. I'm not sure if they're

1766
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,719
going to be doing walls or sound walls

1767
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:16,080
or whatnot, but we wanted to get above

1768
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,320
that. So either coming north or south,

1769
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,520
you can see where the Doug Smith

1770
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,199
dealerships are. And then there's

1771
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:24,560
another set of of signage that Ian was

1772
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,159
talking about. As you come off the

1773
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,040
freeway, we have three 20 foot signs

1774
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,000
that would be set back behind that pond

1775
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,520
that's there. We'll have three signs

1776
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,360
there. There's one for there's one for

1777
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,239
Chevrolet. Jeep has a freestanding and

1778
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:40,640
then Chrysler, Dodge, and Ram are the

1779
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,719
other sign. So there's three there. And

1780
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:45,440
then we just per the per the

1781
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:46,880
recommendations of the de of the

1782
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,120
manufacturer on the north side we have

1783
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,640
three monument signs along 2950 or 2970

1784
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,120
there just as the other entrance way

1785
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,280
comes into the property.

1786
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,280
>> We essentially have a road that comes in

1787
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,520
jogs to the right jogs left and heads

1788
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,120
north and goes clear across the property

1789
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,719
and both dealerships are located right

1790
01:12:04,719 --> 01:12:05,440
there.

1791
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:07,760
>> Are the signs on your south end by just

1792
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,159
over the re retention pond are they the

1793
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:11,440
same that would be on the north end?

1794
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,440
They're they're about 100 ft behind the

1795
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:14,880
pond, but they're over here in this

1796
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:15,199
area.

1797
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:16,480
>> Yeah. But are they duplicated on the

1798
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:18,000
north side? Is that the same signs?

1799
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,440
>> No. No, those signs not duplicated. The

1800
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,840
320 foot signs would be right here.

1801
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,159
>> Mhm.

1802
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:23,920
>> So when you came off the offramp, you'd

1803
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,120
be able to look over and say, "Oh, okay.

1804
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,719
There's where the dealers are." And then

1805
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:28,320
we have the smaller monument signs that

1806
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:29,520
are up on the north end. Okay.

1807
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,719
>> That are 10 ft.

1808
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:34,400
>> But you're the big tall attractive signs

1809
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:35,520
going to be

1810
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:36,560
>> Yep. There's two of them.

1811
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,120
>> Two of them.

1812
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,800
>> Yep. They're two 50-footers.

1813
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,440
>> So you can see them. And there's already

1814
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:44,640
a 50-footer at the Doug Smith that's on

1815
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:45,520
the north side right now.

1816
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,719
>> It'll be the same sign that's that's

1817
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:47,440
over.

1818
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:50,080
>> And is it

1819
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,679
>> you talk about the surface area of the

1820
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:54,480
signs? Is it the same size? We're not

1821
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:55,520
making it bigger.

1822
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:56,239
>> It's the same sign.

1823
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:56,960
>> It's the exact same.

1824
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,400
>> Yeah, it'll be the same sign. And then

1825
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,040
the the one for Chrysler, Dodge, Ram,

1826
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,719
and Jeep is slightly larger because it's

1827
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:04,560
got four different manufacturers on it.

1828
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,080
That's why it's a little bit larger.

1829
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,159
>> But it's only at 20 ft. No, that one's that one's the one that's in

1830
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,480
the middle about right here.

1831
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:13,760
>> It's the second 50.

1832
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,199
>> Oh, that's the So, we got Chevrolet up

1833
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:17,040
here. Then we got Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep,

1834
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,360
and Ram midway down before you get to

1835
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,000
the offram.

1836
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,480
>> It's the one that Ian said was 225

1837
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:23,199
square ft.

1838
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:24,480
>> Right. Yeah, it's a little larger.

1839
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,080
>> That's why I asked that question. Yeah,

1840
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,760
that makes sense. But it's got four,

1841
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,600
>> but it's because it's separated into

1842
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,080
it's it's in reality, it's multiple

1843
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,320
signs on one post. Correct.

1844
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,880
>> It's one sign with four dealers on it.

1845
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,960
Correct. That's that's what's depicted.

1846
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:39,600
>> Yeah.

1847
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:40,480
>> Okay.

1848
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,320
>> That both answers are right.

1849
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,320
>> Yes.

1850
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,640
>> Would it fit to if we said that's got to

1851
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,960
be at 200 square feet?

1852
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,199
>> Um those are those are just the

1853
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:53,120
manufacturers. That's their signage. I

1854
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,320
could see if they can change it, but

1855
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,840
that's their recommended size and they

1856
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,600
have already designed for their

1857
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,560
projects. Okay.

1858
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:59,760
>> And then you guys were talking about

1859
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,000
other cities and whatnot. So the

1860
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,400
monument signs that we're doing the up

1861
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,800
top here. If you go through Heber, which

1862
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,960
is pretty tight on their signage stuff,

1863
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,480
that's the same signs they have in front

1864
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:11,760
of the car that are there. The

1865
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,600
freestanding Jeep, the freestanding

1866
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:14,239
>> Uhhuh.

1867
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:16,640
>> uh Chrysler Dodge and Ram. So it's

1868
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,400
basically the same same design package

1869
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,560
they have right there along Highway 40

1870
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,440
>> going through there.

1871
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:24,400
>> All right. So I

1872
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,400
>> like I said, being from Murray, I've got

1873
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,320
dealership signs all over the place and

1874
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,000
they vary all over the place. We're not

1875
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:30,800
trying to duplicate.

1876
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:31,840
>> We aren't kind of in it.

1877
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,280
>> That's why I keep bringing it up, but

1878
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,840
it's the heights. I don't, you know, the

1879
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,400
other signs 20 ft, whatever.

1880
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,600
>> One other thing we've got to contend

1881
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,679
with, too, as far as visuals, we we have

1882
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:43,840
the Chevrolet sign here, and then about

1883
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,719
right here, we have a 48 foot billboard

1884
01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:49,760
sign. It's the one that's existing.

1885
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,080
>> So, we're trying to be able to see the

1886
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,080
our sign. So, you're not that's on a

1887
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,679
visual impact on both of ours either

1888
01:14:55,679 --> 01:14:57,920
direction, south or north.

1889
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,000
So we have pretty good visual coming

1890
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,159
from coming south and it's the project

1891
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,800
because it starts down here basically at

1892
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,480
the same level as our finished floor but

1893
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,679
then as it comes up 24 ft. If you're

1894
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:10,960
going north you can't even really see

1895
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,640
that piece of property that's there. So

1896
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,080
we're just trying to get a visual

1897
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,840
barrier above that so people can say hey

1898
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,120
this is where I got to get off to get to

1899
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:21,750
the dealerships.

1900
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:22,480
» So

1901
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,280
>> any other questions?

1902
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:25,600
>> Thank you.

1903
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,840
>> Okay. Not a problem. Thank you. Thanks.

1904
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,159
>> So, my comments just to start this off

1905
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:32,159
is I the the

1906
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:35,199
>> Oh, one more. Sorry, I didn't see I

1907
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:37,440
>> one one comment about the 225 ft on the

1908
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,600
copy on that big sign for the the

1909
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,960
Chrysler sign, it is dictated to a point

1910
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,880
by the manufacturers. And secondly,

1911
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,199
because it's four individual signs, if

1912
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:50,400
we reduce that copy by 25 ft, it might

1913
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,480
not seem very significant, but because

1914
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,080
we have to fit four brands on

1915
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,520
essentially the same copy that we have

1916
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,679
to put Chev, that makes it pretty

1917
01:15:57,679 --> 01:15:59,600
difficult if we lose some of that extra

1918
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,760
square footage on the copy. So, I'd beg

1919
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,320
you to not reduce the copy on that so

1920
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,159
that we can make sure that those brands

1921
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,640
are as visible as the Chev brand.

1922
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,920
>> Thanks.

1923
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,400
So, with the the

1924
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,480
um tall signs, I those seem to be to me

1925
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:22,320
they're not as big of an issue as I just

1926
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,920
don't know how we call a 20ft sign a

1927
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,960
monument sign. That seems like it's a

1928
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,520
>> it's probably that might have been my

1929
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,760
poor interpretation of looking at it.

1930
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,360
When I think of a monument sign, I think

1931
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,840
of a rectangle like that. But I could

1932
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,159
see how that's a you could call that a

1933
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:39,679
freestanding sign also. But then aren't

1934
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:41,040
we getting over the number that we'd

1935
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,199
allow per site?

1936
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:43,920
>> Well,

1937
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,679
>> no, because that's the whole purpose of

1938
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:47,600
the project signage plan.

1939
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,120
>> And so if you look at this site, you

1940
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,800
could argue they've got three frontages.

1941
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,560
So in essence, they could have three

1942
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,120
pole signs. And so in this case, you've

1943
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,360
got two potentially on

1944
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,960
>> two on, one on the south.

1945
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,159
>> Uh I heard that there were

1946
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:04,080
>> excuse me, three on the south and then

1947
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:04,480
>> yeah,

1948
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,719
>> none on the north. So that corner one

1949
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:07,600
you could effectively

1950
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,440
>> the three on the north are how big?

1951
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:10,880
>> Those are the 10 monuments.

1952
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,800
>> Still 10 feet which is over our six

1953
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:13,120
feet.

1954
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:13,920
>> Six foot. Yeah.

1955
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,040
>> Yeah.

1956
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,480
>> So we have every one of the monument

1957
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,560
signs does not comply with our current

1958
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:19,360
standard.

1959
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,280
>> Correct.

1960
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,520
>> And so if they're monument signs now now

1961
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:24,800
if the 20 foot How many of the 20

1962
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,280
footers do we have? Just the one.

1963
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,239
>> Three. All along the south.

1964
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:30,560
>> Yes.

1965
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,600
>> Yeah. By the retention pond. So that's

1966
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,159
we'd allow one. to the south will be the

1967
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:38,400
Jeep. The smaller Chevrolet is shown up

1968
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,880
in the upper left right hand corner and

1969
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,159
then a shorter version of the one on the

1970
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:45,280
lower.

1971
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:46,320
>> The shorter version of this

1972
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,400
>> and that would be the pull sign. The one

1973
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:49,600
next would be pulling and the one up

1974
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,400
there.

1975
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,320
>> So Brandon, is my understanding you're

1976
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,679
saying there'd be one allowed. Are you

1977
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:55,199
saying there's three allowed on each

1978
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:56,800
property line?

1979
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,719
>> No. The way the code's currently written

1980
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:01,360
is you get one per frontage. And so on

1981
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,360
this site, you could argue that it get

1982
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,199
has three frontages. the 2700, the 2900,

1983
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:10,400
and I-15. And so then the request is

1984
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,239
exactly why the project signage plan

1985
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:14,719
language is is an option is when they

1986
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:17,679
want either additional signs,

1987
01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:20,000
larger square foot copy area, or the

1988
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,320
height. But one of the things with with

1989
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,239
the code is it does allow additional

1990
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:25,600
signs.

1991
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,520
>> Sure. But what we're saying is, what I'm

1992
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,520
saying is

1993
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,440
we essentially have five that are

1994
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:34,560
uh

1995
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:35,040
>> they need

1996
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,719
>> three on the south end and the two on

1997
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:40,320
I-15 when by by their property use they

1998
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,960
have three by right for lack of a better

1999
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:43,440
word.

2000
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,440
>> Page real fast.

2001
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:47,040
I'm just wondering if we could shorten

2002
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,880
those other 20 the 20footers on the

2003
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,640
south end and still accomplish it since

2004
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:51,679
the only thing between them and the

2005
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:54,320
freeway or the off-ramp is a retention

2006
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,320
pond which has no height to it.

2007
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:02,550
>> Let's go to the next slide.

2008
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,040
» Sorry, I want to see the 20footers.

2009
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,760
Sorry, Josh. That is these ones here.

2010
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,000
So that's one. So that's my

2011
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,360
understanding is there is one 10 foot

2012
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,120
and one 20 foot version of that same

2013
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,080
sign that you just pointed at. And then

2014
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,960
>> Oh yeah. And then this is 20 feet. And

2015
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,040
then this is 20 feet.

2016
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,080
>> So 20.

2017
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,760
>> Go to the next one. Can I borrow that?

2018
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:26,640
>> You sure can.

2019
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,400
>> Thank you. Okay. So these guys are 10.

2020
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,719
So they are over

2021
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:33,440
>> by four feet.

2022
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:34,640
Yep.

2023
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,320
>> These guys are 20. They're over by

2024
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:38,880
>> 14.

2025
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,159
>> Oh. Well, if we're calling them

2026
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:41,199
freestanding signs,

2027
01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:42,320
>> they're not over. Yeah,

2028
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:43,600
>> one of them would be allowed.

2029
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,199
>> Okay. But only one of them would be

2030
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,600
allowed. Correct.

2031
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,920
>> Because then we have two more up here.

2032
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,600
>> Yeah, that's that would be my

2033
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:52,320
understanding.

2034
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,560
>> We kind of have five where there's it's

2035
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,600
kind of two over. Correct. Because

2036
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,440
there's three fun frontages that can

2037
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:02,960
have tall signs.

2038
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,320
>> Yeah, that's that's a good way of

2039
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:05,520
looking at it, I think. Yeah.

2040
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,320
>> Okay. Uh,

2041
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,120
I'm wondering I I'm I'm just trying

2042
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,880
throwing out ideas, but I'm wondering if

2043
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,480
there's a way to make a 20 foot high

2044
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:19,600
sign that has all three of those those

2045
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:25,040
manufact uh brands on them or

2046
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,800
I'm also wondering like what's the big

2047
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,679
deal? What's the impact or I don't know.

2048
01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:32,400
Yeah, just just one comment too that

2049
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,760
there are two different stores to get to

2050
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,679
rather than just one. It is one

2051
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:39,600
location, but two stores.

2052
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:40,320
>> Gotcha.

2053
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,360
>> Um and then as you come down that hill

2054
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,080
on the new off-ramp and entering onto

2055
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:47,840
that road,

2056
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,120
the height of those signs would be at

2057
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,080
eye level because of the downgrade

2058
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,840
coming at it. If that makes sense.

2059
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,080
>> Yeah.

2060
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:05,750
>> Thank you.

2061
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,280
One more time.

2062
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,120
>> Yeah. Amaz unlimited.

2063
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,320
>> Do these need to be 10 ft that you said

2064
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,640
that these are 10 ft because that's the

2065
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,880
manufacturer standard and

2066
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,280
>> recommendation. They do have the

2067
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:20,159
recommendation is

2068
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:23,040
>> right. So we could ask for those to be

2069
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,280
shorter if it's if we're trying to

2070
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,640
comply if there's a not a

2071
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:34,800
compelling reason to h I don't know.

2072
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,440
>> So, I'm just gonna think out loud here,

2073
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,600
but if you were to

2074
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:44,320
you got two buildings,

2075
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,719
two different entities here, if they

2076
01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:49,840
were to split the properties up, they

2077
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,400
would have be able to put more signage

2078
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,239
in.

2079
01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:56,000
That's

2080
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,920
>> the way it's the way it's written versus

2081
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,159
one property. So, I think that's

2082
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:03,440
something we need to address. I do like,

2083
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:08,880
you know, these signs along here,

2084
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,760
they're more for right in front of you,

2085
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,960
not drawing traffic from long distance

2086
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,159
where these ones are to be attractive to

2087
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:21,520
from the freeway.

2088
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,280
So,

2089
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,120
you know,

2090
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,120
um,

2091
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,920
same with these are just they're not

2092
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,280
going to be seen from the freeway, but

2093
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:32,960
they're going to alert people. This is

2094
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,080
where you need to come in if you're

2095
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:39,920
going to Jeep, Dodge, whatever. So,

2096
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:52,470
you know,

2097
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:54,719
If we could get a concession on to put

2098
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:59,040
those a little bit lower, would that be

2099
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,080
>> at least two of them? That's what I

2100
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,199
would think.

2101
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:02,320
>> Lower two of them.

2102
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,750
>> Mhm.

2103
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,560
» For for whatever it's worth. I do the

2104
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,960
real estate for the Smiths. We have

2105
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,960
tried to solve a location problem for

2106
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,760
seven years. We tried to expand. We

2107
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,840
tried to buy some PDM steel land that

2108
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,199
went nowhere. We tried to buy the

2109
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:21,760
junkyard behind the dealership.

2110
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:23,520
I mean, I knocked on the door of the old

2111
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,520
lady down there in Nephi. That didn't go

2112
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:26,960
anywhere. We tried to move across the

2113
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,400
street to the north. That wasn't going

2114
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,239
to work. We tried to go across the

2115
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:32,880
street to the east. That didn't work.

2116
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,040
We've really tried to solve this. From a

2117
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,440
real estate standpoint, this is not an

2118
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:39,920
ideal site because we have to go over a

2119
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,960
creek. We have a detention basin that

2120
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,040
cut out two acres. When we first started

2121
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,320
talking to Steven Wade's group, we

2122
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:47,600
thought we were going to get 12 and it

2123
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,280
was going to work really well. We could

2124
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,520
have done with probably four to six foot

2125
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,120
monument signs coming down the road.

2126
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:54,480
That would have worked, but we don't own

2127
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:57,199
the frontage UD do, which puts us at a

2128
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:59,120
disadvantage. So, we have when people

2129
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:00,880
come down off of that deceleration lane

2130
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,800
and come down and start heading west,

2131
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,800
they're looking north. I mean, Brandon,

2132
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,360
what is it like a couple hundred feet?

2133
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,360
>> They're looking a couple hundred feet to

2134
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,679
see in where those signs are. If we have

2135
01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:13,600
those signs reduced from 20 feet, the

2136
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,840
visibility options for the population to

2137
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:17,440
come down that street, they're not going

2138
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:19,600
to see us very well. We wouldn't push

2139
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,760
for an exception to the ordinance if it

2140
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,159
wasn't pretty legitimate. And people

2141
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:25,679
need to see those signs because they're

2142
01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:26,800
only going to see the sign of the

2143
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,080
Chrysler building. They're not going to

2144
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,679
see the Chev building. So, u and then

2145
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:33,520
the manufacturers have their specific

2146
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,880
requirements. That's why we're asking

2147
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,040
for a concession. I think if we can

2148
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,040
offer a concession that would be

2149
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:40,960
legitimate, would really work well, I

2150
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:42,400
think we could reduce the height of

2151
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:43,840
those signs on the north side, those

2152
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,280
monuments, I think we could take those

2153
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,920
probably to 6 ft and and that would be

2154
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,840
more than sufficient. But to reduce

2155
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,080
those signs coming down looking across

2156
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,920
the pond, across the creek, 20 feet is

2157
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,360
really important to us if if hopefully I

2158
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,440
made that point. Well,

2159
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:06,070
>> thanks.

2160
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,600
That makes me feel better if that one

2161
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,000
side was

2162
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,159
>> agreed.

2163
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:15,440
I I can see I can see the good reasoning

2164
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:23,510
for it. I could support that.

2165
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:24,560
» Any other comments?

2166
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,719
>> No more.

2167
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:28,800
>> Um, that's all our comments. I'll

2168
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,880
entertain a motion from staff, sorry,

2169
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,199
from the commission. I don't care what

2170
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:35,920
staff thinks.

2171
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,120
>> We don't want a motion from staff.

2172
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,199
>> I move we recommend for approval of the

2173
01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:44,880
proposed signage for Doug Smith Autolex

2174
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,159
>> with the

2175
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:48,480
>> with condition

2176
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:50,239
>> the lower

2177
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:52,639
six foot on the north

2178
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:54,239
>> property line

2179
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:57,120
>> with the six foot on the north side.

2180
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,639
>> Second motion second. All in favor? I

2181
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:02,159
>> I any

2182
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:05,920
>> opposed? Okay. Thank you.

2183
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,000
>> Thanks for the conversation.

2184
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,520
>> Thanks.

2185
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,550
>> Um

2186
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,880
anything before I motion to adjourn the

2187
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:15,360
meeting?

2188
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,760
>> Uh just once again a plug for next

2189
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:21,120
Tuesday night. Um I don't have the time

2190
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,199
in front of me. Anybody know?

2191
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:26,159
>> I think it said 5:30 to 8:30. 30. Uh

2192
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:28,000
we'll have some training by our legal

2193
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,600
council and then there will be a

2194
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,000
discussion on a proposal in the river

2195
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,040
bottoms.

2196
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,719
>> Okay. Thank you.

2197
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:35,920
>> Just here in this room or

2198
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,679
>> dinner will be provided. I believe we're

2199
01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:39,280
going to meet in that room.

2200
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:39,920
>> Yeah.

2201
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,880
>> I just one other thing is Brandon you

2202
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,199
said thanks to Ian but we I think all of

2203
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:46,480
us commissioners

2204
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:47,199
>> 100%

2205
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:49,040
>> we're grateful for you too and we wish

2206
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:52,560
you we wish you well but darn it sad

2207
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:53,440
you're leaving us.

2208
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:54,960
>> Yep. I haven't gotten to know you very

2209
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,480
well, but wish you well.

2210
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:57,840
>> Thank you guys. It's been a pleasure to

2211
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,000
get to know all of you. Really liked it.

2212
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,480
I love Spanish Fork. This place will

2213
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:04,400
stay in my heart for a long time for

2214
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:05,760
sure.

2215
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,800
>> Good. Thank you. Okay, our next uh topic

2216
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,400
is to adjourn the meeting. Do I have a

2217
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:11,280
motion on that?

2218
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:12,480
>> So moved.

2219
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:13,760
>> Second.

2220
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,679
>> Motion second. All in favor? I

2221
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:16,880
>> I

2222
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,080
>> Thank you.