[0:00] Want to welcome everybody out to
[0:01] planning and zoning commission meeting
[0:02] for June 3rd.
[0:05] We'll start the meeting with the pledge.
[0:08] I'll lead it.
[0:10] The audience will please rise.
[0:12] Repeat after me.
[0:14] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[0:17] United States of America,
[0:20] and to the republic for which it stands,
[0:22] one nation under God,
[0:25] indivisible, with liberty and justice
[0:27] for all.
[0:31] Thank you.
[0:34] Um our first
[0:36] item of business tonight will be the
[0:37] approval of the minutes.
[0:40] I know Mike said he read them. Do you
[0:42] >> I did. I made it through.
[0:44] >> Do I have a motion to accept the
[0:45] minutes?
[0:46] >> I will make that motion.
[0:48] >> Second.
[0:50] >> Motion second, all in favor?
[0:51] >> Aye.
[0:54] >> Ordered.
[0:55] Um our first item of business is the
[0:57] public hearing.
[0:59] Um title 15 amendment for flood damage
[1:03] prevention.
[1:09] » Um this amendment, or I guess change, is
[1:12] pretty straightforward. So, FEMA has
[1:14] recently updated their um study and
[1:17] flood insurance maps.
[1:19] Uh previously we referenced the date of
[1:23] uh in 2020 for that study. We've uh the
[1:26] change that we've made here is updating
[1:27] to
[1:28] their more recent study of this year, um
[1:32] which is adopted in June of this month
[1:34] of uh
[1:36] 26.
[1:37] Uh along with that, they've added some
[1:40] definitions that they would like us to
[1:42] add. Um
[1:46] updating, I guess, existing home
[1:49] subdivisions. Um they talk a bit about
[1:51] geotechnical reports, but
[1:54] uh pretty minimal changes. Uh mostly
[1:56] just reference to an updated study that
[1:59] they've done.
[2:06] I don't know if there's any questions
[2:08] about any of that.
[2:12] » Any questions?
[2:14] No question.
[2:16] Here.
[2:17] Are we looking at on my
[2:19] what the proposal is are we
[2:21] looking for approval or recommendation?
[2:26] Oh, you're so right.
[2:29] Um this is a public hearing. If
[2:30] anybody's here to speak on this matter,
[2:31] we'd love to hear from you.
[2:34] Seeing none, we'll close public hearing.
[2:37] And then I'll ask that same question
[2:38] again. What type of motion we're looking
[2:40] for?
[2:41] >> We're recommending these changes to the
[2:43] city council.
[2:44] >> Thank you.
[2:49] I'll make a motion.
[2:50] >> I moved that we recommend the title 15
[2:54] amendments flood damage prevention to
[2:57] the city council.
[2:59] >> I'll make a motion. Do I have a second?
[3:00] >> Second.
[3:01] >> The motion is second. All in favor?
[3:04] >> I.
[3:05] >> Any opposed?
[3:06] Okay, the recommendation is approved or
[3:09] approved to go to the council.
[3:12] Um our second item of business is also a
[3:15] public hearing.
[3:17] It is
[3:18] uh construction standard revisions.
[3:23] » All right. So, twice a year we um
[3:27] take a look well, we're always looking
[3:28] at our construction standards, but twice
[3:30] a year we'll bring
[3:31] um them here for revision and changes
[3:34] that have been made.
[3:36] Um
[3:37] So, this go around, if you can see in
[3:39] the background, there's a little bit of
[3:40] a summary of things that have changed
[3:42] here. Um
[3:45] boring inspections and testing, uh
[3:47] modifying our communication plan just
[3:49] because of some updates to staff,
[3:52] um modifies
[3:55] some of the sewer language um around
[3:58] manhole requirements and depths of
[4:00] sewer.
[4:02] Uh another change that we've made is not
[4:05] allowing inlets
[4:07] um
[4:07] in driveways on commercial properties.
[4:10] Uh that's just because of issues that we
[4:13] see as larger trucks are driving over
[4:15] the top of those, so
[4:17] I wanted to get those out of that area.
[4:20] Um and then a lot of modifications to
[4:22] electrical standards. A lot of those are
[4:25] cleanup
[4:26] uh to text um clarifying maybe some
[4:30] outdated equipment or
[4:33] um
[4:34] a language that uh references
[4:38] standards or um
[4:40] methods of installation that we don't
[4:42] use anymore.
[4:43] And then uh towards the end we also have
[4:46] some changes to standard drawings.
[4:49] Uh most of those as well are are cleanup
[4:51] items
[4:53] um as well as changing to some newer
[4:56] equipment, newer methods of installation
[4:58] that we've been using.
[4:59] Um
[5:01] and a lot of these are just coming from
[5:03] our inspectors and work out in the field
[5:06] as we see things that need to be updated
[5:08] or better manner of installation, we'll update these. So, nothing major or
[5:14] no huge overhauls, but just some I would
[5:17] classify this as kind of some tweaks to
[5:20] the standards to hopefully do things a
[5:22] little more efficiently and and get
[5:24] things up to
[5:26] current standard.
[5:29] Um
[5:30] happy to scroll through if we want to
[5:32] look at anything specifically or
[5:34] >> Why don't we just scroll through and hit
[5:35] the highlights?
[5:36] >> Yeah.
[5:39] Um so here this is just the section on
[5:41] boring outlining
[5:44] um what we are going to require as
[5:47] utilities are bored under roads or
[5:50] canals, rivers.
[5:51] Um just some of the information that
[5:53] we're going to ask that the contractor
[5:55] provide once those borings are complete
[5:57] so that we can
[5:59] document those and make sure that we
[6:01] know uh where those are in the future.
[6:05] Uh this table here, you can see this
[6:06] update to
[6:08] uh some city staff for communicating on
[6:10] excavation permits.
[6:19] Um this is the update to
[6:22] sewer.
[6:24] So,
[6:25] kind of referencing the minimum depth
[6:27] and then manhole sizing.
[6:29] >> Yeah, I had a question about directional
[6:31] change and that's just my
[6:32] ignorance. What is that referring to on
[6:34] the road? [snorts]
[6:35] >> So, directional change would be
[6:38] you kind of have a sewer coming in from
[6:39] the north and you turn east or west or
[6:44] anything from going straight on. We just
[6:46] want that bigger manhole um because of
[6:48] the angle that the sewer comes in and
[6:50] leaves.
[6:52] It's a little bit harder to get in there
[6:53] and work on a smaller manhole, so that's
[6:56] why we're requiring a 5-ft manhole to
[6:57] get down there and
[6:59] um some of those turns, if they get too
[7:02] tight in a smaller manhole as well, it
[7:04] affects the structural integrity of the
[7:07] structure, so.
[7:15] Um yeah, there's mention of the inlets,
[7:19] driveways.
[7:22] And this kind of gets into just the
[7:26] electrical updates. A lot of this is
[7:28] language and
[7:29] >> [clears throat]
[7:31] >> and wording there.
[7:39] Um here, we're talking about clearances
[7:42] from electrical lines, so not allowing
[7:45] buildings to be constructed or installed
[7:47] underneath those lines, and then
[7:50] um
[7:53] talking about clear zone from those
[7:55] lines, a safety issue there.
[7:57] >> Can Can we go up uh to page eight? There
[8:01] was one question I had. It's the
[8:03] previous one, I think. I I guess
[8:06] showing even Adobe over here.
[8:08] One One more One more before this.
[8:15] It is
[8:19] I don't know. Maybe I'm finding the
[8:20] wrong part. Give me a second.
[8:38] Okay. Yeah, the page it's it's shows page 12 on there. Okay, so I
[8:42] guess we're a couple pages down.
[8:45] Go down uh to
[8:46] >> more.
[8:48] >> Yeah, keep going.
[8:52] Okay, yeah, this one in E, soils and
[8:55] compaction.
[8:57] Um there was one line I It's just a couple things you changed
[9:00] here, but I have a question here. It
[9:01] says "Compaction test shall be taken by
[9:04] the city." And you got rid of the city.
[9:06] You changed it to Spanish Fork.
[9:08] Um
[9:09] and then
[9:11] Let's see if I'm seeing this different.
[9:14] Oh, no, that's not what I'm looking for.
[9:16] I'm not exactly sure where or what I'm
[9:17] looking for is, but the point I'm making
[9:19] is there's one place where we're looking
[9:21] basically where we're no longer
[9:23] requiring the city to do the approval.
[9:24] It could be an approved engineering
[9:27] um
[9:28] firm.
[9:29] And I've got
[9:29] >> Yeah.
[9:29] >> [clears throat]
[9:31] >> We
[9:32] >> So that's sort of a job
[9:33] >> Yeah, I'm not sure exactly where that
[9:35] is, either, but we do hire we do hire an
[9:38] engineering firm that does our
[9:39] compaction and testing and
[9:41] >> So you So the city would be contracted
[9:44] It wouldn't be the
[9:45] >> Correct. Yeah, it wouldn't be a
[9:47] developer's engineer that could approve
[9:49] it. It would be either the city or an
[9:51] engineer hired by the city.
[9:53] >> Okay. Okay, that was my only question
[9:55] cuz sometimes I I I guess the general
[9:56] concern I have sometimes is if
[9:58] developers are sort of you know
[10:00] financially involved in those to approve
[10:02] their own process. It can
[10:04] be a conflict of interest. That's the
[10:05] only thing and and I think I just
[10:07] misread that. So
[10:08] >> Yeah, no that's what it is there. It
[10:10] would be an engineer hired by the city.
[10:14] » And Paul, I've not I mean all the years
[10:15] I've been doing construction I'm not
[10:19] city inspectors or third-party
[10:20] inspectors that cities hire.
[10:22] They're
[10:23] I've rarely I've never seen them
[10:25] influenced by the developer. They've
[10:27] always stuck to what they should do.
[10:31] » Yeah, I think I've just got a little
[10:33] hesitation with I've seen some things
[10:35] the legislature has done to try to
[10:37] reduce housing prices which again I
[10:39] support reduced housing prices but I
[10:40] think they've
[10:41] you know
[10:42] been creative in some of the things
[10:44] they've done there. So
[10:45] >> Politicians and developers
[10:47] >> They're always counterproductive.
[10:51] » [clears throat]
[11:04] » Maybe if we want to go down to
[11:07] uh the standard drawings take a look at
[11:10] some of those changes as well.
[11:24] Um so here just you know a note
[11:28] on our metering.
[11:31] >> [clears throat]
[11:36] » Um this is some notes there to help with
[11:38] tracer wire, which is
[11:41] relatively new, maybe the last year or
[11:43] so, something we've been installing. And
[11:45] this is
[11:46] just a way to install that so we can
[11:48] easily access it and then
[11:51] the elevation there on the fire hydrant,
[11:54] make sure that breakaway is at the
[11:56] correct elevation.
[12:03] Um
[12:05] yeah, a meter lid note there.
[12:07] >> Water meter.
[12:12] » Okay, same thing there, a few minor
[12:14] notes and changes to our meter boxes.
[12:23] Just some notes to curbing there, and
[12:25] this is an update to our
[12:28] tree standard requiring mulch and taking
[12:31] out the uh
[12:32] rock mulch.
[12:43] And then those were just two new filter
[12:45] drawings that we've added for PI, so.
[12:49] And then these uh these updates to these
[12:51] electrical drawings, um a lot of them
[12:53] tie back to the updates in the in the
[12:56] text.
[13:02] Uh a lot of just installation notes and
[13:04] then some notes on concrete pads that
[13:07] are used for this equipment as well.
[13:57] » [snorts]
[14:00] » Are we close to the end?
[14:01] >> I think close.
[14:03] >> I like the old department.
[14:03] >> Power department's been busy.
[14:08] Any questions after scrolling through?
[14:10] >> 140 pages.
[14:12] >> [laughter]
[14:13] >> Yeah.
[14:15] >> All right. One more thing, sir. I'm the
[14:17] only one to ask.
[14:19] We do have um
[14:21] we have the the street lights and it
[14:24] looks like there's kind of a standard
[14:25] that we we go with. I I don't know that
[14:27] anything's necessarily been changed, but
[14:29] I assume that uh we regularly update
[14:32] that sort of based on
[14:34] I don't know what it is. It's just kind
[14:35] of a design
[14:37] uh
[14:38] era that we have or something like that.
[14:40] >> On the street lights?
[14:41] >> Yeah.
[14:42] Cuz you you know, the ones we have right
[14:44] now are decorative. I think there's one
[14:45] on page 61.
[14:48] Yeah, right there.
[14:49] And that's obviously what I'm seeing
[14:51] being built right now. How how often do
[14:53] we go through and sort of refresh that?
[14:54] It doesn't look like we're
[14:55] >> making changes here or anything.
[14:56] >> the foundation there. I style Are you
[14:59] saying style-wise?
[15:00] >> Yeah.
[15:03] » I don't know when the last time we did
[15:05] was. I mean,
[15:07] probably years. We do require that
[15:09] developers will do like a photometric
[15:11] plan for lighting and
[15:15] seems like the updates we make are more
[15:18] related to lighting
[15:20] and how that light spread and
[15:23] you know, type of light pole, how that puts out
[15:27] light, but
[15:27] >> Yeah. And and the and the sort of
[15:30] directive for dark skies and things like
[15:32] that.
[15:34] >> Okay. Yeah, and I know again, not
[15:36] addressed here, but you can kind of tell
[15:38] the age of a neighborhood or when they
[15:39] came through. It seems like they've even
[15:40] been redoing some of those in and in
[15:43] older neighborhoods, too. Some of the lights as well.
[15:45] >> Yeah.
[15:47] I'm not
[15:48] completely sure how often
[15:51] take a look at those, but
[15:53] they do occasionally get updated.
[15:58] » Great. Well, thank you.
[16:00] >> Yeah.
[16:01] >> Yep.
[16:01] >> I mean, like like we talked about
[16:02] previously, I'm
[16:04] encouraged and impressed that the city
[16:06] takes the look they do at all the
[16:07] standards all the time and
[16:09] uh
[16:10] are continuously monitoring that to make
[16:11] sure we stay up with what's the latest
[16:13] for safety and best building practices
[16:15] and all those things. That's That's very
[16:17] encouraging and good to see.
[16:19] This is a public hearing, uh so we'll
[16:20] open up to public.
[16:22] You really don't want to say anything?
[16:26] » [laughter]
[16:26] >> Okay. Seeing none, we'll close the
[16:28] public hearing.
[16:30] Um
[16:31] do you guys have I don't think you ever
[16:33] had a chance to say anything they
[16:34] wanted, so probably no questions. There
[16:36] is. Okay.
[16:37] >> I asked all mine.
[16:37] >> All right, great.
[16:38] >> All makes sense.
[16:40] >> Uh somebody want to put forth the
[16:42] motion?
[16:48] » What was What do we need to put on the
[16:51] motion? What do
[16:52] >> Same as before.
[16:58] It's a recommendation to recommend for
[17:00] approval to the council.
[17:01] >> Okay. Yeah, I'll make a motion to
[17:03] recommend the approve
[17:05] ordinance to revise the construction
[17:07] standards.
[17:09] Move forward to the council.
[17:11] >> I will second that motion.
[17:13] >> Motion is second. All in favor?
[17:15] >> Aye.
[17:16] >> Any opposed?
[17:18] Okay.
[17:19] Thank you.
[17:20] Our next [snorts] item of business is to
[17:22] adjourn.
[17:24] >> I move we adjourn.
[17:27] >> Hang on.
[17:28] >> Oh, wait. Dave.
[17:29] >> Do you want to speak first?
[17:29] >> Do you have something for us?
[17:31] >> Your call.
[17:32] If you want to say go ahead. Mike's
[17:34] still got
[17:35] 10 minutes.
[17:36] >> Okay.
[17:36] >> So.
[17:38] >> I'm only going to take a minute tonight.
[17:40] I probably want to take a little bit
[17:41] more time later.
[17:42] Um you know, maybe in July like we
[17:44] talked about,
[17:46] uh it was August of 2019
[17:49] when Todd joined the Planning
[17:51] Commission,
[17:52] which means he really should have been
[17:53] replaced
[17:54] about 11 months ago. So, he's he's stuck
[17:57] around
[17:58] for longer than most and uh we
[18:00] appreciate everybody's service all the
[18:02] time. We particularly appreciate it when
[18:03] somebody goes the extra mile
[18:05] with
[18:06] uh for that additional number of
[18:08] meetings,
[18:09] uh nights away from family and other
[18:11] obligations and that type of a thing.
[18:13] Um
[18:16] Spoke with Mayor Mendenhall briefly this
[18:17] afternoon. He may have somebody in mind
[18:19] to replace Commissioner Mitchell. So, I
[18:22] appreciate that
[18:24] uh Todd, you've been willing to stick
[18:25] around like you have.
[18:27] >> Mhm.
[18:27] >> Um and yet uh
[18:30] um
[18:30] boy, you've done your time. So, with
[18:33] some sadness, sorry to see you leave,
[18:35] but I think that's likely going to be
[18:36] the case. And I apologize to maybe
[18:38] spring this on you this way.
[18:39] >> No, that's great.
[18:40] >> Um but I wanted to take a minute
[18:42] >> You ain't going to spring on me.
[18:43] >> In this forum? [laughter]
[18:44] with us here and there'll be other times
[18:47] to reminisce and talk about things and
[18:49] that sort of a thing.
[18:50] Um but wanted to share that uh and
[18:53] express my appreciation
[18:55] on behalf of all of us on staff. Uh
[18:58] we've always been fortunate to have
[19:00] great planning commissions here in
[19:01] Spanish Fork
[19:02] and that's part of what makes this place
[19:05] work the way that it does. So,
[19:07] um that's a big deal for us and uh yeah,
[19:10] thank you.
[19:12] That's it.
[19:13] >> I would I would ditto that. He's he I've
[19:14] learned a ton from him just in the last
[19:16] few years and he's been fantastic, so.
[19:18] >> Well, then I appreciate your
[19:21] insight and expertise and
[19:24] I also appreciate your encouraging
[19:26] everyone to share all our diverse
[19:28] opinions. That's one thing I really
[19:30] appreciate it, too. So, thank you,
[19:31] Commissioner.
[19:32] >> Yeah, I'll make a comment. I like the spirited agreements and the spirited
[19:36] disagreements.
[19:37] And I think you bring a lot of a
[19:39] gravitas here to the to the process and a lot of structure and you're great
[19:44] to work with. And so, I think
[19:45] >> Big shoes to fill.
[19:47] >> Yeah.
[19:48] >> Your
[19:49] experience and knowledge will be missed.
[19:53] » All right.
[19:56] Nature hates a vacuum and it'll fill up
[19:57] real quick.
[19:59] Thank you. Appreciate it.
[20:01] That's great. Now, can we go on to my
[20:02] favorite topic?
[20:05] >> [laughter]
[20:06] >> Okay, the next item is adjourning.
[20:08] >> I move to adjourn.
[20:09] >> Second.
[20:10] >> A motion and a second. All in favor?
[20:12] >> Aye.
[20:13] >> Good.