[0:00] Okay, we're ready to go for Spanish Fork
[0:02] City Council meeting August 4th, 2026.
[0:06] Thanks for everybody for coming. You'll
[0:08] have to excuse the council tonight a
[0:10] little bit. We are looking at a
[0:13] different look on our council agendas.
[0:15] It's the same stuff, but it's in
[0:17] different boxes and everything. And
[0:20] >> we're lost.
[0:21] >> Some of us,
[0:21] >> Jesse's the only one comfortable with
[0:23] us. So, so if we if we look like we're
[0:26] lost a little bit, uh it's because we're
[0:28] clicking around a new system up here.
[0:29] >> If you've read the organizational book,
[0:32] Who Moved My Cheese? We did. [snorts]
[0:34] And it's fun. Every once in a while,
[0:36] staff can be mean. And today's one of
[0:38] those days.
[0:39] >> And that not knocking it. It was a
[0:42] necessity that we do this, right? That
[0:44] the old system was going
[0:46] >> away. Yes.
[0:47] >> So, we didn't do this.
[0:48] >> I had no choice
[0:49] >> just to mess with Councilman Oiler. It
[0:51] was Yeah. It was because because we had
[0:53] to do this. So,
[0:54] >> don't like change.
[0:55] >> He doesn't like change.
[0:56] >> Okay. So, thank you. Thank you everybody
[0:58] in person. Thank you everybody online
[1:00] for joining us. We we will not change
[1:02] how we start our meeting with a prayer
[1:04] motivational message by Councilman Tuk
[1:06] and then Councilman Oiler will lead us
[1:08] in the pledge. Councilman Tuk.
[1:10] >> All right. Thank you, Mayor. So, this
[1:12] evening for the inspirational thought
[1:14] and prayer for the city, I invited uh
[1:16] one of my dear friends and a champion of
[1:19] Spanish Fork City u in many ways. if you
[1:21] know this individual, Susan Chapman, uh
[1:23] dear friend of mine and um just
[1:26] appreciate you accepting the invitation,
[1:27] Susan, and uh feel free to come up,
[1:29] share your thought and prayer, and thank
[1:30] you for being with us tonight.
[1:35] » Thank you. I did I did bring some notes.
[1:37] It's still brief. Don't worry, I'm not
[1:39] going to take too much time. Um but my
[1:41] name is Susan Chapman. A lot of you are
[1:43] familiar with me. I'm very grateful to
[1:45] be back here. Um, I was very grateful
[1:47] for Councilman Tuk to ask me to do this
[1:49] brief thought today. I wanted to start
[1:51] with a story. I grew up in Benjamin,
[1:53] west of Spanish Fork, the youngest of
[1:55] seven. My dad was the youngest of 11.
[1:58] When my dad was very young, he was about
[2:00] 11 years old at this time. My
[2:01] grandfather got cancer. Uh, my
[2:04] grandfather left the hospital and jumped
[2:05] on a bus to go home because he knew that
[2:08] his time was short and that he would
[2:09] pass away soon. As it happened, um,
[2:13] let's see. As it happened, harvest time
[2:15] was nearing at the same time as my
[2:17] grandpa grew close to death. The family
[2:20] farm sustained them. It was their income
[2:22] and support. The family gathered around
[2:24] him, and as they sat together, almost
[2:26] like a scene out of a movie. They heard
[2:28] a commotion outside. When they looked
[2:30] out, they saw the town's people arriving
[2:32] with their tractors, their horses, their
[2:34] gloves, their hats, all ready, all ready
[2:36] to help bring in the harvest. The
[2:38] community pulled together and brought in
[2:40] the harvest for my grandparents family.
[2:42] When the work was done, my grandfather
[2:44] gathered the children, the 11 kids
[2:46] around his bed, and he said, "Always
[2:47] remember what this community has done
[2:49] for our family." That story's been
[2:51] passed on and told at dinner tables and
[2:54] front porches, and it's been told a lot
[2:56] because we have a very large posterity.
[2:59] [snorts] It didn't just shape shape my
[3:00] family, but it's shaped my own
[3:02] children's families. If this were only
[3:04] true for my family and this one
[3:06] community, this would be remarkable
[3:07] enough, but it's not unique, and that's
[3:09] what makes it more amazing. When
[3:11] Councilman Tuk asked me to share the
[3:13] share a thought, I found myself thinking
[3:15] about what I loved about Spanish Fork. I
[3:17] thought about the Fit City Center, the
[3:19] trails, the libraries, the amazing
[3:21] activities, the businesses, the
[3:22] restaurants, but the most the thing that
[3:25] I thought about the most um was and what
[3:27] stood out was the people. So, I put out
[3:30] a small a call on social media and asked
[3:32] if anybody had any experiences they
[3:33] wanted to share. Adam Gaul shared how he
[3:36] was once stranded in Mosquite after a
[3:38] concert with his family and his car had
[3:40] broken down. He called Jordan Hawks who
[3:43] drove down immediately with his big
[3:45] trailer and loaded his car and his kids
[3:47] and all of his belongings brought him
[3:49] home. Randy Chipman shared a story about
[3:51] his neighborhood. A house caught on fire
[3:53] while the parents were away. The
[3:55] children were asleep upstairs and no
[3:57] alarm was sounding. He broke in through
[3:59] the door. Dennis the Dennis McBra McGra,
[4:03] sorry, ran in and got out the kids out
[4:06] safely. What followed became a moment
[4:08] that brought the whole neighborhood
[4:09] closer as donations without even setting
[4:11] up a Venmo poured in um from neighbors
[4:15] and they neighbors showed up for one
[4:16] another. I have a neighbor who every
[4:18] time it snowed after I was recovering
[4:20] from my back injury, he cleared the
[4:22] driveway before I even woke up. Another
[4:25] time I saw a family struggling and I
[4:27] sent out a call for help and the people
[4:29] who responded in my neighborhood where
[4:31] people who think very different than I
[4:33] do and we're often on different sides of
[4:35] the issues, but that didn't matter. They
[4:37] showed up anyway. There is so much more
[4:39] that connects us than divides us. This
[4:40] community is living proof that Spanish
[4:42] Fork is in fact special and we all feel
[4:44] it. Someday this these stories um that
[4:47] we that I shared and all those that
[4:49] haven't been shared will be shared and
[4:51] told at dinner tables and on front
[4:53] porches passed down the same way my
[4:55] grandfather's story was passed down to
[4:56] me. What makes Spanish work remarkable
[4:59] despite our amazing trails and our
[5:01] library at city center and activities?
[5:03] It's the people. Um I want to use my
[5:05] personal freedom at this time to express
[5:07] gratitude for our community in the best
[5:09] way that I know how. if you'll join me
[5:11] in an expression of prayer and
[5:12] gratitude.
[5:14] Our dear father in heaven, we're so
[5:16] grateful for this amazing community.
[5:18] We're grateful for our city council
[5:21] members, our administration, our staff,
[5:23] our first responders. We ask you to
[5:25] please bless them. Please bless their
[5:26] families as they support our city. We
[5:30] ask you to please bless our community
[5:32] that it will be protected from natural
[5:34] disasters and harm. We ask that um we
[5:37] can continue to be united. Uh we say
[5:41] these things in the name of thy son
[5:42] Jesus Christ. Amen.
[5:44] >> Amen.
[5:45] >> Thank you Susan.
[5:46] >> Susan,
[5:47] >> please stand and join me in the pledge.
[5:51] >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[5:54] United States of America and to the
[5:56] republic for it stands nationy
[6:02] andice for all.
[6:08] Good stuff. Thank you. Appreciate those
[6:10] thoughts. Uh we we got some recognitions
[6:14] uh tonight that we're excited to
[6:16] recognize some good people. Um Susan,
[6:18] while you're here, I'm going to kind of
[6:19] double dip that and just um recognize
[6:23] Susan as uh as a great contributor in in
[6:26] this community. um the the Fit City
[6:29] Center, a lot of the things that that
[6:32] you see happening in Spanish Fork to to
[6:34] be aware of of our general health, not
[6:37] just our physical health, but uh our our
[6:39] mental health. Uh Susan was a champion
[6:42] of that. Helped us get grant money where
[6:44] we didn't know grant money existed and
[6:46] uh and really helped us out getting the
[6:48] Fit City Fair started and everything
[6:50] else that uh that that has to do with a
[6:52] lot of health. And so I'm glad you're
[6:54] here tonight so we can recognize you and
[6:56] say thanks to you publicly uh and uh and do that along with some other
[7:00] recognitions. So Councilman Tuk, I'm
[7:02] giving you a kudos. Good choice. You did well.
[7:05] >> Thank you, Susan. Appreciate that.
[7:07] >> Um okay. Uh a couple of the other um
[7:10] recognitions that we have tonight. Uh,
[7:12] and it's fitting since we last met I
[7:15] think just prior to Fiesta Days and now
[7:17] Fiesta Days is over and uh you're
[7:21] already starting the next Fiesta Days,
[7:22] right Stacy? Committee is going to
[7:24] probably meet this month.
[7:25] >> Yep. We're meeting in two weeks.
[7:27] >> Insane.
[7:27] >> Debrief. [snorts]
[7:28] >> Okay. Well, these are this is is along
[7:31] with that theme. We'd like to invite Ace
[7:34] and Burke uh up here uh to the
[7:37] microphone. These are the Austin
[7:40] brothers. And uh if I'm u you guys can
[7:43] correct me if I'm I'm wrong and then
[7:45] tell me what's what's really going on,
[7:47] but uh we have a couple of high school
[7:50] rodeo champions here. Is that right?
[7:52] >> Yes, sir.
[7:53] >> If you'll introduce yourselves and uh
[7:55] and tell us uh tell us what happened and
[7:58] when it happened.
[7:58] >> Um so I'm Burke Austin.
[8:00] >> I'm Ace Austin.
[8:01] >> Uh I'm 19 years old. I just graduated
[8:04] from Spanish Fork High.
[8:05] >> I'm 17. and I finished out my junior
[8:07] year this past May.
[8:08] >> Uh, and we just went to the National
[8:10] High School Finals in Lincoln, Nebraska.
[8:13] It [snorts] was July 19th through the
[8:15] 26th. Uh, and we were able to
[8:18] [clears throat]
[8:19] have some good luck and
[8:21] >> I ended up winning the steer wrestling
[8:22] national title and the all-around
[8:24] national title.
[8:25] >> And I ended up being the reserve world
[8:27] champion in the steer wrestling and the
[8:28] reserve all-around cowboy.
[8:30] >> Wow.
[8:32] >> Back to back. to reserve. I mean,
[8:34] champion and reserve are just, you know,
[8:36] back to back, right?
[8:37] >> Yeah.
[8:37] >> So, Utah kind of took it.
[8:39] >> Yeah.
[8:40] >> Spanish fork kind of took it. They did.
[8:42] >> Oh, [laughter] okay. Cool.
[8:43] >> That is cool.
[8:44] >> Yeah. Mom and and dad are are here,
[8:47] right?
[8:49] >> I recognize I know your parents. Yeah.
[8:51] I know these guys. I didn't know
[8:52] they produced good kids, but I knew
[8:54] [laughter]
[8:55] I knew these guys. Yeah. Yeah.
[8:57] >> Well, awesome. Any questions, council,
[8:59] for good cowboys here? I'm curious about
[9:02] how old were you guys when your dad made
[9:04] you first jump off a horse and tackle a
[9:06] stair?
[9:07] >> Um I think I was 14.
[9:10] >> 14 when you So you've been doing it
[9:11] three years. [laughter]
[9:13] >> I started it would have been
[9:14] >> your freshman year
[9:15] >> three weeks before school started my
[9:17] freshman year.
[9:17] >> Dang.
[9:18] >> Wow.
[9:18] >> And then I jumped the summer before my
[9:20] sophomore year. He made me wait one more
[9:22] year because I wasn't big enough.
[9:24] [laughter]
[9:24] >> So you wanted to jump off a horse onto a
[9:27] moving cow.
[9:28] >> Yes. [laughter]
[9:31] We we've grown up uh ground throwing is
[9:33] what it's called or shoot dogging. It's
[9:35] kind of your junior high level type of
[9:36] bulldoging. You just take them out of
[9:38] the shoot. Uh but
[9:39] >> like run next to them and
[9:40] >> Yeah. Yeah. And then we stepped up off
[9:42] to horses when we got into high school.
[9:45] >> All right. It's pretty cool.
[9:46] >> Very cool. Very big congratulations.
[9:49] >> That's super cool. Thanks for
[9:50] representing the community. Well,
[9:52] >> what's next? You going to
[9:54] >> College Bission? Okay.
[9:56] >> I'm going to Albuquerque, New Mexico. I
[9:58] leave August. I start August 19th and
[10:00] then after that I will be attending Utah
[10:03] Valley University on a rodeo
[10:04] scholarship.
[10:05] >> All right, cool.
[10:06] >> Very cool.
[10:07] >> They got any horses and steers in New
[10:08] Mexico or
[10:09] >> uh they got a lot of people that rodeo
[10:11] and ropes so maybe we'll make some.
[10:13] >> Okay, good.
[10:13] >> They have the best food in Albuquerque.
[10:15] >> Great food.
[10:16] >> You love it. [clears throat]
[10:17] >> It's amazing.
[10:18] >> So, when do we when should we expect to
[10:21] see you in our Fiesta Days rodeo? Is
[10:23] that something that's on your bucket
[10:24] list?
[10:24] >> If if the finals wasn't over Fiesta
[10:26] Days, I was actually going to enter. Uh,
[10:28] when I get home from my mission, I'll be
[10:31] trying to enter. Yes, it is. Yes.
[10:33] >> Are we getting an exemption? Can we make
[10:35] a mayor's exemption?
[10:36] >> I don't think we can. I mean, we can
[10:38] try. I think you should try. I just be okay if you get turned down, but
[10:42] >> Yeah. Yeah. All right.
[10:43] >> It's a PRCA thing. [laughter]
[10:45] >> So, sorry. Steer wrestling and what
[10:47] else?
[10:47] >> Uh, I made it to nationals in the steer
[10:49] wrestling, the calf rope, and the team
[10:50] rope.
[10:51] >> So, okay. You did all three round?
[10:53] >> Yeah. And then
[10:54] >> I made it in the steer wrestling and we
[10:56] team rope together.
[10:57] >> Yeah.
[10:58] Who's the head? Who's the heel?
[10:59] >> I head and
[10:59] >> I hill.
[11:01] >> So,
[11:02] who's the better of the two? And that's
[11:04] Ask Mom and Dad. You're not going to
[11:05] answer that.
[11:05] >> They're not going to answer.
[11:06] >> Yeah. I mean, who misses? If you're
[11:08] going to miss the head or the heel,
[11:09] who's going to miss?
[11:10] >> Probably me.
[11:11] >> No, don't say. Come on. Don't be too
[11:12] nice. [laughter]
[11:14] >> At least he's honest.
[11:17] >> He's like,
[11:19] [cough]
[11:20] >> tell you're close though. Like, you're
[11:21] just finishing each other's sentences
[11:23] and it's it's cool. I bet you work very
[11:26] well together out there doing
[11:28] >> he's considered my bigger little
[11:29] brother. Uh he's always been bigger than
[11:31] me for the most part. And it was
[11:33] something that's never been done uh what
[11:35] we did out of the high school finals. No
[11:37] one no one related has ever done gone
[11:40] one and two let alone brothers one and
[11:43] two.
[11:43] >> That's pretty dang cool.
[11:45] >> There has to be time when you're like
[11:47] wrestling each other in the dirt though.
[11:50] >> I mean you're not that nice to each
[11:51] other. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
[11:52] >> Sometimes practices get heated.
[11:54] >> Yeah. Okay. All right.
[11:56] >> So, did you guys miss fiesta days at
[11:57] all? You were gone the whole week?
[11:58] >> Gone the whole week.
[11:59] >> Laser focused on where you're at or
[12:00] >> Yeah.
[12:01] We left would have been the Friday
[12:03] before it started and got home the
[12:05] Sunday after.
[12:06] >> Darn it.
[12:06] >> Gez.
[12:08] >> Well, we wish you the best and hope you
[12:10] take a title home from our fiesta days
[12:12] arena one day.
[12:13] >> One day.
[12:14] >> Yeah. Thank you guys. Well, thanks for
[12:16] representing us and uh please come up
[12:18] here and Pete's a picture guy that likes
[12:20] to get a picture up here, but we want to
[12:21] give you a round of applause before you
[12:23] do that if you can.
[12:23] >> Thank you.
[12:32] » Congratulations.
[12:34] >> Great job. Congratulations.
[12:35] >> How you doing? It's good to see you.
[12:40] >> Well done.
[12:42] >> Get those two guys in the
[12:45] You guys surrounded
[12:49] pretty pretty cool. Pretty amazing.
[12:51] >> Good kids.
[12:54] >> Is dad a steer wrestler?
[12:56] >> Yeah. Grandpa.
[12:57] >> Yeah. Runs his family.
[12:59] >> Generational choice in [laughter]
[13:02] that way.
[13:04] >> You know when those parents put their
[13:05] kids on sheets and they're screaming and
[13:07] clawing? That was you.
[13:10] [laughter]
[13:12] >> They wanted to.
[13:13] >> Okay, here we go.
[13:21] >> Thank you.
[13:23] >> Congratulations, guys. Thank you.
[13:30] » Very cool stuff. And uh we'll get that
[13:34] picture, Pete, and get it up in the in
[13:36] the mayor's office. I'll have to sign it
[13:38] first, you know. Yeah.
[13:41] Okay. Uh thanks, uh Ace Burke. We
[13:44] appreciate that. Uh we have an employee
[13:47] of the quarter that we'd like to
[13:49] recognize now. And uh this is a good
[13:52] guy. We got a lot of good good guys in
[13:54] the guys and gals in in our workforce
[13:57] here in Spanish Fork. But it's always
[13:59] fun to recognize an employee of the
[14:01] quarter. I'm not sure who's getting up
[14:02] to recognize
[14:05] >> There he is. Mr. Hayward. Okay.
[14:11] pull out some of the references on on uh
[14:14] yeah so we are um
[14:18] or I should say one of my employees
[14:19] Brian Ridge um was recognized a lot of
[14:22] it from the library and I'm just going
[14:24] to read some of their comments here on
[14:25] some of the things that they said Brian
[14:28] Ridge saves their bacon at the library
[14:29] all the time he makes personal visits
[14:31] all the time to fix personnel personal
[14:34] staff computers public access computers
[14:36] printers, etc. And he lo knows lots of
[14:39] library staff names because he works
[14:41] with us so much. You would think he'd be
[14:43] sick of us by now, but he always comes
[14:45] in and says hi with a smile. And we're
[14:47] always excited to see him and eager to
[14:49] use his expertise for as long as we can
[14:51] manage to steal him from all the other
[14:53] people who need him. We know he's high
[14:55] in demand.
[14:57] Uh he says what this is one it says uh
[15:00] recognize him for exceptional service,
[15:02] professionalism and dedication he
[15:03] consistently demonstrates in support of
[15:05] our library staff. What sets him apart
[15:07] is not just his technical expertise but
[15:09] the way he delivers it with patience,
[15:12] responsiveness and genuine care.
[15:14] Whenever our team encounters technical
[15:16] issues, whether large or small, he
[15:17] responds quickly and works efficiently
[15:19] to resolve them with minimal disruption
[15:22] to our operations. His ability to
[15:24] troubleshoot under pressure while
[15:26] maintaining a calm and approachable
[15:27] demeanor has been in invaluable
[15:30] especially during moments of high stress
[15:32] when we rely heavily on technology to
[15:34] serve the public. Um just some of the
[15:37] comments I have is I've worked with him
[15:39] now for five years, six years and uh
[15:42] it's it's been a pleasure to work with
[15:44] him. He's he's always got a cheerful
[15:45] demeanor um within, you know, there's
[15:49] always times when people get frustrated
[15:50] and things like that, but he's he's very
[15:52] uh responsive. He does take care of the
[15:55] and works a lot of things. He helps
[15:56] support all the full-time staff um as
[16:00] well as the city council members um on
[16:02] the day-to-day stuff. And uh he does 95%
[16:06] of that work. And uh it's it's I
[16:09] appreciate it from my perspective
[16:11] because it means I don't have to do it,
[16:14] you know. Um [snorts] but uh I'd like to
[16:17] have him come up here now and say, you
[16:19] know, kind of recognize him because he's been a a great uh help for the city
[16:24] and and stuff. So thank you, Brian.
[16:27] [laughter]
[16:27] >> Yeah. No, I I appreciate it. I'm glad to be here and it's exciting. So
[16:33] yeah, [laughter]
[16:34] >> Brian, I want to introduce you to Stacy
[16:36] Beckham.
[16:37] >> Hello.
[16:38] >> He could use your help on occasion.
[16:40] >> Okay, there's [laughter]
[16:41] >> specifically today. Yeah,
[16:43] >> I've probably overused Brian. Uh we
[16:46] started from the beginning like a
[16:48] computer and like, "All right, how do I
[16:50] turn it on, Brian?" And he's like,
[16:51] "Really? This is our mayor." And but
[16:54] >> Exactly. Yeah. See you all the time. So
[16:57] [laughter]
[16:59] » there you go. Messaging him all. Isn't
[17:01] there like IT uh client privilege that
[17:04] you keep that on the
[17:05] >> down? [laughter]
[17:07] >> So, I think we all know Brian's mom as
[17:10] well. Lisa is the one that brings all
[17:12] the Cub Scouts or all the scouts in to
[17:14] all of our council meetings. Every time
[17:16] you see a group of scouts
[17:18] >> in the room, it's usually Brian's mom
[17:20] that's got here.
[17:21] >> Okay.
[17:21] >> She is here all the time.
[17:24] >> Pretty cool.
[17:25] >> Couldn't talk her into coming tonight,
[17:26] but [laughter]
[17:29] next time. That's funny.
[17:31] >> Hilarious.
[17:32] >> It's probably a scout meeting. Probably
[17:33] scouts.
[17:35] [laughter]
[17:36] >> Well, Brian, you're you're a great
[17:38] employee. I know just like what was
[17:41] shared about other departments that you
[17:42] work [cough] with. That's that's a
[17:44] pretty high honor. That's pretty cool.
[17:46] Uh that's that's what we are in Spanish
[17:48] Fork Swiss Army knives. Everybody going
[17:50] and helping where and using the tools
[17:52] wherever they can to keep the city
[17:54] going. And you're one of those people.
[17:56] So, we appreciate you up here and the
[17:58] whole city does. So, thanks a lot.
[18:00] >> Yeah, perfect. Thank you.
[18:01] >> Yeah, I I love working with all the
[18:03] departments. It's kind of fun to see all
[18:05] the cogs and stuff that go on in the
[18:08] city and get to rub shoulders with, you
[18:11] know, everyone, the police and the
[18:12] finance and the library and stuff. It's
[18:15] >> So, yeah.
[18:16] >> Congratulations,
[18:17] >> Ryan. You're working on your cyber
[18:19] security master's degree. Is that right?
[18:21] >> I am getting a master's in cyber
[18:23] security right now. So, we're about
[18:25] halfway done.
[18:26] >> Nice. And your hair is different today
[18:28] than it was a few years ago.
[18:30] >> Uh yeah, I mean it changes frequently.
[18:32] So I usually I I'll grow it out to like
[18:36] my shoulders and then cut it all off
[18:37] real short and then Yeah,
[18:40] >> he was he he worked with John Boat.
[18:42] >> Exactly. So that [laughter]
[18:46] » got instruction. Yep. That's good.
[18:48] >> That's great.
[18:49] >> Well, thank you, Brian. Sure. Appreciate
[18:51] you, brother. Thank you. And good
[18:52] congratulations.
[18:55] Congrats.
[19:09] » It's got a tie. No,
[19:12] [clears throat]
[19:12] >> you go right in the middle, Brian. There
[19:14] you go.
[19:15] >> Perfect.
[19:17] >> Okay, Stacy, move around, Brian, because
[19:19] you're too tall.
[19:22] >> The other one, the short one.
[19:25] We'll see.
[19:35] » Okay, one more recognition before we uh
[19:37] move on to public comments here. And uh
[19:39] this is one that I'm going to have Seth
[19:42] introduce a little bit, but I do
[19:43] remember this incident and why [snorts]
[19:45] we're recognizing this individual. I I I
[19:48] think it was a good day. I was calling
[19:49] you for something and I thought and then
[19:52] Seth answered the phone. He's like with
[19:54] some different kind of voice. And I'm
[19:56] like, "All right, we're not talking
[19:57] about what I was calling about." And uh
[19:59] and it was uh quite the emergency in
[20:02] town that he was telling me about, but
[20:04] this person certainly does deserve some
[20:07] recognition for his handling and and uh it would be a it would be a bad
[20:12] disaster if if this got a lot worse. And
[20:15] uh I'll leave it at that. Seth, you can
[20:16] >> Yeah, thanks.
[20:17] >> More about it.
[20:17] >> Terry, if you'll come up. Terry Ficklin
[20:19] runs our our transfer station, the solid
[20:22] waste district that we have. And and
[20:24] honestly, this is as much a recognition
[20:25] of of
[20:28] really the whole department, right? And
[20:29] I think Terry would be like, "Hey, this
[20:30] is not about me."
[20:31] >> Yeah.
[20:32] >> Um but [clears throat] but uh yeah, on
[20:34] July 11th, I think it was, so almost a
[20:36] month ago.
[20:37] >> Yeah. Uh there was a fire at the
[20:40] transfer station and and I think you
[20:42] know that thing was built and and it's
[20:45] not uncommon to have fires in transfer
[20:46] stations because people bring in hot
[20:48] loads.
[20:50] >> Uh by that the term hot load means
[20:52] something's on fire
[20:54] >> um or close to being on fire and and uh
[20:58] things get mixed around and I think you
[21:00] could probably describe what happened.
[21:02] But uh what I what I thought was really
[21:04] amazing and you look at some of these
[21:05] pictures, Jack Urkart was there. In
[21:08] fact, uh we've asked Terry to
[21:11] >> check the um the video footage. We've
[21:13] [laughter] given him what Jack was
[21:15] driving. Uh we we were not sure that he
[21:19] has an alibi. Um but Jack actually
[21:23] happened to be there. These are not from
[21:24] Jack, but uh Jack saw these and was
[21:26] like, "Seth, I was there." Um,
[21:30] and and to be able to put this fire out,
[21:32] and I can detail some of that after
[21:34] maybe you speak, but probably most uh
[21:36] impressive to me was that we were
[21:40] receiving garbage again on Monday.
[21:43] >> And so maybe detail a little bit about
[21:44] what that took and and I can talk again
[21:46] to the fire side, but you probably want
[21:48] to talk about that too because you were
[21:49] there.
[21:49] >> The fire occurred exactly well. The
[21:52] alarm was 12 about 12:12, so it was just
[21:55] after lunch.
[21:56] >> Yeah, Jack was there. 12. And when the
[21:58] call out went and um
[22:01] it after reviewing the videos, it
[22:04] appears that um it was a flammable
[22:08] liquid that somebody thought they would
[22:10] bring to us and decided to set it on the
[22:13] floor rather than on the table of
[22:15] probably where it should have been,
[22:16] right? We wouldn't have had this
[22:18] problem. Um, and uh, we we recognized
[22:22] the liquid mainly because the way the
[22:24] fire works because he pushed it up to
[22:27] the top and it caught on fire and just
[22:30] kind of came down the whole volcano kind
[22:33] of a feeling. [clears throat]
[22:34] >> And so the crew, we we have reviewed the
[22:37] tapes, you know, we have lots of
[22:39] cameras, lots of angles, and they did
[22:42] follow procedure. We try to because it
[22:45] happens fairly often. Uh what we train
[22:48] them to do is to pull it down, circle
[22:50] it, isolate it, then we can get in on it
[22:53] and then and that's usually once a week.
[22:57] So it's not uncommon, but they're mainly
[22:59] smoke at that time and very seldom do we
[23:02] get a blaze. This wasn't that situation.
[23:05] This one caught fast. Everybody
[23:07] responded. Thank you to Spanish Fork for
[23:10] all the all the equipment they sent plus
[23:13] everything else and all the other cities
[23:16] from Provo all the way to Sanquin. So,
[23:20] we're called out. So, we're grateful for
[23:22] that. Um, but proud to say that the
[23:25] building did what it was designed to do.
[23:28] Um, the push wall protects the
[23:30] equipment. Um even after more than 4
[23:34] hours of burn in the building, we had
[23:37] minimal damage. Um we did have the
[23:40] sprinklers did go off. Uh about 620
[23:44] of them have had to been replaced in the
[23:46] last four weeks. That's now done. We're
[23:49] back now fully certified and operational
[23:51] in the full building. Um after the fire,
[23:55] we were able to open. Um, and because
[23:58] the building's large, we just moved down
[24:00] closer to A, B, C, and D. We just used
[24:02] that side and been using that up until
[24:04] two days ago when the fire marshall
[24:07] cleared us to have the entire building
[24:10] open. So, I have six light fixtures
[24:13] still coming is all I think that was
[24:16] more water damage than heat. We
[24:18] estimated the temperature up in that
[24:21] high ceiling was probably in the 400s.
[24:24] So, it wasn't enough to even for the
[24:26] most part burn the netting down. We just
[24:28] had netting in one hot spot that that
[24:31] was next to the push wall. But after I
[24:34] actually saw Seth at the conclusion when
[24:37] everything was just dripping at that
[24:40] point that um um yeah, we had a little
[24:43] bit of work to do the weekend. So, we
[24:45] did we worked all through the night,
[24:47] Saturday, all day Sunday and we were
[24:50] open for business Monday morning. So,
[24:52] that's what you and the smell of hot wet burnt garbage. I'll bet that
[24:58] smells. [laughter]
[25:00] » It is an experience.
[25:04] >> We were looking from the one of the go
[25:06] back a picture from one of those gates
[25:07] in the in the other image and looking in
[25:11] Terry said, "Oh, looks like we lost a
[25:14] couple of letters." You know, he's got
[25:15] the ABCD and I can't remember what
[25:16] letters are burned.
[25:17] >> Looks like VWX. I think
[25:20] >> like the only casualty that I could see
[25:22] was the letters. like of all the things
[25:24] that we lo that I thought we lost,
[25:26] that's it.
[25:27] >> Uh it was super impressive. Terry said
[25:29] to me as we were chatting uh in one of
[25:31] those bay doors that that afternoon, he
[25:33] said, "We built this thing to be
[25:34] bulletproof." And I said, "Well, I think
[25:36] it is bulletproof, but I think you built
[25:38] it to be fireproof." And and he really
[25:40] did a great job certainly in the
[25:42] construction. And my uh I think all of
[25:45] our our gratitude and praise to your
[25:47] crews because Saturday night and Sunday
[25:49] all day was not an easy shift.
[25:50] >> It wasn't. Yeah. But
[25:52] >> there's a lot of water
[25:53] >> that needed to be pushed out and
[25:55] directed and sweeping and
[25:57] >> so that's just part of what we do.
[26:00] >> Yeah.
[26:00] >> So, but thank you.
[26:02] >> So, maybe for the mayor and council's um
[26:05] understanding, we had crews respond from
[26:08] Provo, Lehi, American Fork, Springville,
[26:11] Mapleton, Woodland Hills, Elkridge, PAC,
[26:14] Utah County, Santa, and Oram. So with
[26:17] including us, that's 12
[26:19] >> uh 12 jurisdictions that participated in
[26:21] some way.
[26:22] >> And uh because of the length of the time
[26:25] of this firefight, we were cycling
[26:27] through people. Uh they would go in for
[26:29] a certain amount of time and and they
[26:31] get in under those intense
[26:34] circumstances, they get tired. And uh so
[26:36] we we actually just rotated people out
[26:39] and and you know, you tap them out and
[26:41] send them home and call in the next
[26:43] team, right? Uh, we sent a couple of
[26:45] people for observation. I think one
[26:46] individual from one of these
[26:48] jurisdictions that ended up at the
[26:49] hospital for an hour or so, but was home
[26:52] before I think he was home from the
[26:54] hospital before all of the crews left
[26:55] here. So, that's great. Uh, and had some heat exhaustion. I can't remember
[26:59] the temperature that day, but I feel
[27:01] like it was close to 100.
[27:02] >> It was over 100. So, it was 100 on the
[27:04] outside and
[27:06] >> 200 on the inside.
[27:07] >> In the inside, plus
[27:10] >> anyway, just a just an incredible
[27:11] effort. uh certainly by everybody, but
[27:14] especially by your people and and thank
[27:16] you. It's a great service to our
[27:18] community. We love that we we have this
[27:21] here. Um and you know, even Jack when he
[27:25] tries to start fires, he doesn't have to
[27:26] wait in line. Um it's a significant
[27:30] upgrade from what we used to have and we appreciate.
[27:34] >> Thank you. Thank you for your support.
[27:36] Again, Terry, it's not it's one of those
[27:38] things we've said before, but not too
[27:39] many cities say, "Yeah, let's put the
[27:41] transfer station in my city, but you
[27:43] you've made it a uh the correct decision
[27:46] for the city and for the district and so we appreciate you being such a
[27:51] good leader of that facility and and
[27:54] just running a a good facility in our
[27:56] city. It's Thank you, Mayor.
[27:57] >> It's a good place." So
[27:58] >> So,
[27:58] >> Terry, I got a question for you. So, you
[28:00] you've been in this business for a
[28:02] while.
[28:02] >> I have. What would a fire of this
[28:04] magnitude have looked like at the old
[28:06] transfer station?
[28:07] >> Oh, it would Yeah, it would have been a
[28:09] disaster. Total total disaster.
[28:12] >> So, um you know, we were lucky when we
[28:15] did have a fire over in Springville. It
[28:17] was on the outside because we had so
[28:19] much trash at that time. We were
[28:21] everything was more on the outside than
[28:23] the inside. They would only push it in
[28:25] when they could load it in the
[28:27] compactor. And so that was ablaze next
[28:29] to the truck stop. And um that was a
[28:34] much bigger fire than this this one was.
[28:38] But our challenge was visibility. We
[28:40] couldn't see where the fire was actually
[28:42] out until we could u remove the smoke.
[28:45] And so once the smoke was gone, within
[28:47] 30 minutes the fire was out. So we
[28:50] learned some lessons. That's what you're
[28:51] supposed to do. We've talked about some changes that um that we're going to
[28:57] look at. Some things worked that were
[28:59] supposed to. some things didn't work the
[29:01] way they were supposed to, but uh so
[29:04] we've learned lessons. We've now had
[29:07] training to all of the employees since
[29:09] then, so we can continue to improve. So,
[29:12] and we'll do so.
[29:14] >> Well done.
[29:14] >> So, we'll handle.
[29:15] >> Thank you.
[29:16] >> Well, with no interruption of a super
[29:18] important service for all of us and all
[29:20] the residents, uh it's well worth of a
[29:22] round of applause for Terry. So, please
[29:24] join me in doing that.
[29:33] Pete's not going to let you get out of
[29:34] here.
[29:35] >> He's so close. I thought you were going
[29:36] to sprint. [laughter]
[29:44] » Yeah. In addition to this, Terry is a
[29:46] beloved Salem resident. He's
[29:48] participating in the Salem Day
[29:49] celebration right now and
[29:52] >> does a lot for that community. The boat
[29:55] riata
[30:01] Thanks, Terry.
[30:02] >> Maybe one more one more thing about
[30:04] Jack. Today we had a fire in Today we
[30:07] had a fire just outside the library. Um,
[30:11] somebody put a cigarette in the garbage
[30:14] can and we checked the tape and it
[30:17] wasn't Jack. So, [laughter]
[30:19] >> off the
[30:20] >> But you're being serious. That happened,
[30:21] didn't it?
[30:22] >> Yeah. Scott the librarian um was on his
[30:27] phone with 911
[30:29] and the can's on fire, right? It's just
[30:32] out here in the parking lot and 80 80
[30:35] South Main. Yes, the library. It's got
[30:38] the water going. It's in the garbage
[30:40] can. He was He's telling dispatch what
[30:42] to do and he's got this cookie tin. I
[30:44] don't know what where he got a cookie
[30:45] tin for but or from, but they filled it
[30:47] full of water, went outside, put it on
[30:49] the fire in the garbage can and put it
[30:51] out and the firefighters were really
[30:53] disappointed when they got there.
[30:54] [laughter]
[30:54] >> Come on. We wanted to put it out.
[30:57] [snorts]
[30:57] >> So, water.
[30:59] >> Scott the librarian is now Scott the
[31:00] firefighter. [laughter]
[31:01] >> Yeah, let's get him a tag.
[31:03] >> I'm sure he's going to ask for something
[31:04] tomorrow in our meeting, but it wasn't
[31:06] Jack. He was not here.
[31:08] >> He was at the station.
[31:10] >> Fair enough. Yep.
[31:11] >> He was walking.
[31:11] >> We don't know where he was. He was
[31:13] walking baby kid.
[31:14] >> Okay,
[31:15] >> it's that early.
[31:17] >> Thank you for those recognitions. Good
[31:19] people, good folks, and uh and we uh we
[31:22] appreciate highlighting uh every single
[31:24] one of them. Moves us on to item number
[31:26] four in our agenda, the public comment
[31:28] section. This is a section where anybody
[31:30] from the public could come address the
[31:31] mayor and council. Please keep it at
[31:33] three minutes. Jack is here, not at the
[31:38] uh he'll help us with the time if we can
[31:40] keep to it. Yes. Name, rank, and serial
[31:42] number.
[31:47] » Chad Aral, Spanish Fork citizen.
[31:51] >> I don't have serial number.
[31:52] >> Social Security's fine.
[31:54] >> Wait, wasn't it
[31:55] >> bank account and mother's maiden name?
[31:56] >> My card number. Yeah. [laughter]
[31:59] Um, first of all, I just want to say
[32:01] absolutely thank you for a celebration
[32:04] and not just to the council because I I
[32:06] know it takes the entire city to be a
[32:08] part of this and you know how I love the
[32:11] 24th and I was on a parade and had some
[32:15] fellow uh classmates on there and all
[32:17] every time a lot of them were Spanish
[32:19] fork citizens long time ago couldn't
[32:22] believe how many people come to this
[32:24] parade to see it and I like Spanish
[32:26] support. That's what we do. But thank
[32:28] you because I know your your efforts um
[32:32] takes a lot. Stacy, thanks for that.
[32:34] >> You're welcome. [snorts]
[32:36] >> Um celebration Arbor 250th. I've had the
[32:40] opportunity to graduate from high school
[32:42] in 1976.
[32:44] I will tell you that after a year and a
[32:46] half of celebrating, I was really tired
[32:48] of red, white, and blue because
[32:50] everything was red, white, and blue cups
[32:52] from the Dairy Queen and everything
[32:54] else. But by the time we'd reached the
[32:56] celebration, it had been going on for a
[32:57] year and a half. Lucky to be here at
[33:00] 202650
[33:03] 250th anniversary. I think about uh how
[33:07] proud I am to be an American. I wonder
[33:10] when that declaration of independence
[33:12] was sent to King George. He wouldn't
[33:14] read it. He wouldn't allow parliament to
[33:16] read it. And he hired the German Hessins
[33:19] to come to America and kill the
[33:21] patriots. Um, and that took place. And
[33:25] looking back, I wonder if maybe he would
[33:26] have read that. It wasn't a declaration
[33:28] of war. It was just declaring some
[33:31] grievances and asking us to be allowed
[33:34] to independently take care of ourselves
[33:37] as 30 col 13 colonies. Of course, later
[33:40] on we we know the story and how it ends
[33:42] becomes the United States of America.
[33:45] Um, [clears throat]
[33:48] I have a a gift here for each one of the
[33:51] council and I I don't want anybody else
[33:52] to be jealous, but I thought that maybe
[33:55] because it's the 250th anniversary, uh,
[33:58] you you guys deserved something just to
[34:01] show that you served. Um, I have a mint
[34:04] set from United States Mint. Uh, it is
[34:07] from the Delaware and the Philadelphia
[34:09] Mint. One unique thing about this is you
[34:12] know that the the penny went away in
[34:14] 2025, but in 2026 they put it in the
[34:18] mint sets and the proof sets. That
[34:20] penny's been selling for $325.
[34:23] I'm pretty sure the mayor would say
[34:25] that's a pretty good investment. So
[34:27] anyway, uh I just I wanted to do this.
[34:29] I've been excited about coming this
[34:31] because I've had these sets for a while,
[34:33] but every time you guys scheduled
[34:35] council meeting, I had something else
[34:36] scheduled. So, if I may approach,
[34:39] please.
[34:40] >> Yeah, please. Gifts.
[34:41] >> No
[34:42] >> gifts.
[34:43] >> Stay away.
[34:44] >> I think that's funny that every time you
[34:46] scheduled a meeting, as if he didn't
[34:47] know this guy. [laughter]
[34:50] » And if he's not and if he's not retired,
[34:52] like what's he doing?
[34:54] >> He's driving [snorts] through
[34:55] roundabouts and
[34:58] years old.
[35:04] » Open it.
[35:05] >> You open it.
[35:07] I don't think I'll make it to the next
[35:09] 50 years because that's a long time
[35:11] away. But um something to remember that
[35:14] you know I was here during the 250th
[35:17] anniversary.
[35:18] >> Thank you. That is service.
[35:20] >> Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.
[35:24] >> You're not supposed to open them.
[35:25] >> Yes, I am. Everybody wants to see them.
[35:28] >> Oh, [snorts] don't open them.
[35:29] >> Too late [laughter]
[35:32] >> now. Did it just
[35:34] >> She's She's She's going straight to
[35:36] Wendover with them.
[35:37] >> Kills me. [laughter]
[35:39] >> Oh, so yeah, it has a penny. Has a sack
[35:43] dollar. Has has a penny has a sack
[35:46] dollars. They made five quarters for the
[35:49] celebration.
[35:50] >> Oh, now you want to see it.
[35:51] >> Um, [laughter] every one of them, the
[35:52] dime, the penny. The only thing they
[35:54] didn't change too much was the nickel,
[35:56] but every one of them has 250 on it. So,
[35:59] >> that's pretty cool.
[36:00] >> Wow. So you I shouldn't spend these. I
[36:02] should keep them.
[36:02] >> Don't spend.
[36:03] >> No. Open them up.
[36:05] >> Can I have [laughter] one?
[36:05] >> Let's do Yeah. Keep safe.
[36:08] >> Thank you, Chad. That super nice.
[36:10] >> Thank you.
[36:12] >> Very cool.
[36:13] >> That is very cool.
[36:15] >> Okay. Anybody else for public comment?
[36:19] [clears throat]
[36:21] >> You don't have to bring gifts for public
[36:22] comment,
[36:23] >> but they're appreciated. [laughter]
[36:24] >> I appreciate that because
[36:26] empty pockets. Uh Alan Westman, uh
[36:29] private citizen. Uh I have three shout
[36:32] outs uh to make and then just one
[36:35] speaking to an upcoming agenda item.
[36:38] I'll try to be quick. Um first off, I am
[36:42] a regular user of the Popular Lane trail
[36:44] head and really appreciate the folks who
[36:47] uh take care of the restrooms there,
[36:49] keep them clean. They're all they're
[36:50] almost always in good order and m
[36:52] maintained and really appreciate that.
[36:54] It means a lot. So thank you. I think
[36:56] parks and record I think is who deserves
[36:59] that. Um
[37:00] >> that's Carrie.
[37:01] >> Second thing is uh rodeo. I I have
[37:04] longtime Spanish fork resident but first
[37:06] time attending the rodeo this year. Um
[37:10] and I know that raises some eyebrows but
[37:11] I'll admit it. Uh anyways it was a
[37:14] wonderful experience. Uh very much
[37:17] enjoyed it and so kudos to all those who
[37:19] took part in putting that on. um uh also
[37:24] recently attended for the first time one
[37:25] of the chamber of commerce networking
[37:27] business networking events and that was
[37:29] well organized and so forth and so just
[37:31] again a shout out generally to the
[37:33] Spanish Fork Salem Chamber of Commerce
[37:36] and then finally um speaking to an
[37:39] upcoming agenda item for this meeting is
[37:41] I know that there's talk about data
[37:43] centers and so forth and data centers
[37:45] are a very politically charged topic
[37:47] right now I am a software engineer by
[37:49] profession I uh we rely on distributed
[37:54] computing that that happens in data
[37:56] centers and so forth. Um
[38:00] uh when I think about data centers
[38:03] companies that want to bring a data
[38:04] center to our area here are the the
[38:08] general kinds of questions that I'm
[38:10] looking to ask. First off is and I just
[38:12] I share this because I I expect that you
[38:15] also have the same kind of questions but
[38:17] I want to express as a citizen what
[38:19] comes to my mind that is the company's
[38:22] credibility. Do they have are they
[38:24] transparent and and wholesome in their
[38:27] details? Do they have a good track
[38:28] record of building data centers in other
[38:30] communities and and operating them? What
[38:33] are the physics of of the claiming?
[38:36] doesn't make sense what they're claiming
[38:38] about energy in and the thermal energy,
[38:42] the heat coming out. It's transforming a
[38:44] bunch of electrons into useful
[38:45] computations, but also a bunch of waste
[38:47] heat. What's happening with that? Um,
[38:50] and then community impacts. What is the
[38:52] resource usage? What are what are the
[38:54] noise impacts? Any traffic? That kind of
[38:56] stuff. Those are my concerns. I
[38:59] recognize that data centers may be
[39:02] important but we have to be very
[39:04] cautious and careful in how we ask
[39:06] questions about that. Make sure we get
[39:07] good answers. Thank you.
[39:12] » Ask a thermodynamic question. Right.
[39:16] >> Definitely.
[39:17] >> Anyone else?
[39:21] » Okay. Hi, my name is Tara Parker and I'm
[39:24] a Spanish Fork resident and I'm here
[39:27] tonight um wearing two different hats.
[39:29] I'm a um board member for the Spanish
[39:32] Fork Community Theater and then I am
[39:34] also an advocate and community liaison
[39:37] for the Ruth the um former Hill Center
[39:40] theater orum. And I wanted to start by
[39:43] thanking Spanish Fork City um our parks
[39:46] and recck department and the people of
[39:48] Spanish Fork for helping us make our
[39:51] fiesta days production of the Prince of
[39:53] Egypt such a big success. Um, with more
[39:57] than 150 cast and crew members, which
[39:59] was our biggest yet, and record-breaking
[40:03] ticket sales, it's very clear that the
[40:05] arts are thriving and doing well in our
[40:07] community. Um, and then switching over
[40:10] to my Ruth hat. Um, many of you know
[40:13] that the Ruth recently, um, opened in
[40:16] Pleasant Grove and as a community
[40:18] advocate, I worked to strengthen
[40:20] connections, um, between the Ruth and
[40:22] our community and also provide the
[40:24] county with opportunities in the arts.
[40:26] Since opening, the Ruth has distributed
[40:29] um, thousands of complimentary ticket
[40:30] vouchers throughout Utah County,
[40:32] including right here in Spanish Fork.
[40:35] Um, we really enjoyed partner partnering
[40:37] with the city's Easter egg hunt. Um,
[40:40] working with arts council and our local
[40:42] schools and many of our local businesses
[40:44] like the dance studios and places like
[40:47] that. Um, [clears throat] in addition to
[40:49] our worldclass productions, we also
[40:52] offer or the Ruth also offers performing
[40:54] arts classes and um, community uh,
[40:58] programs. So, on behalf of the Ruth and
[41:02] um our new city spotlight initiative,
[41:04] we'd like to invite city council to come
[41:07] to either um Scarlett Pimpernel or Pride
[41:11] and Prejudice and experience the
[41:13] beautiful new theater and I'll send out
[41:16] um the ticketing information and details
[41:18] via the council email. And um our city's
[41:22] spotlight week is August 17th through
[41:25] 22nd. And I gave um Jack a graphic. Oh,
[41:29] there it is. A graphic um and a ticket
[41:33] code that we can share with all of our
[41:34] residents so they can come and
[41:36] experience it. I know we have a lot of
[41:38] crossover. Some of our SFCT actors have
[41:41] gone on to be in productions there as
[41:44] well. So, I just want to say thank you
[41:46] so much for all you do for the arts in
[41:47] our community and and listening to all
[41:50] these stories tonight. I'm pretty happy
[41:52] to be a resident here, too. So, thank
[41:54] you.
[41:55] >> Thank you, Sarah. Tara, I went and saw
[41:57] the scar at Pippernill last Wednesday.
[41:59] [snorts] It was absolutely phenomenal.
[42:02] >> Oh, good.
[42:03] >> And I went to lunch with someone that
[42:04] lives in Pleasant Grove today and I told
[42:07] her, "Oh, I was just over at the Rouge."
[42:08] She goes, "What's the Ruth?" I'm like,
[42:10] "You passed it to drive here. You live
[42:11] in Pleasant Grove. What is it?" So, I
[42:14] think it's very good that you're out
[42:15] advocating and it's we're so lucky to
[42:17] have something so close to us. so
[42:19] incredible and beautiful inside and I
[42:21] highly encourage if you haven't been
[42:23] there, take advantage of this discount
[42:25] and go check it out. The acting is so
[42:28] well done.
[42:29] >> Good. Good. I'm so glad you enjoyed it.
[42:31] Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
[42:33] >> The Ruth The Ruth is awesome. That is
[42:35] awesome.
[42:35] >> It is. I'm a fan.
[42:37] >> Yeah. My wife and I had had recently
[42:39] watched um the the play Oh boy. If I was
[42:45] a rich man, Fiddler on the Roof. We
[42:47] watched it at another place and it was
[42:48] great. And then we watched it at the
[42:50] Ruth and it was incredible. I mean, this
[42:52] was what, six months ago, I think, that
[42:54] we watched, but it was like they had a
[42:56] little bit of a spin on it that we
[42:57] hadn't seen before and it was fantastic.
[43:00] And and we watched we've watched a
[43:01] couple plays there as well and are
[43:03] planning on going to Pride and Prejudice
[43:05] and are super excited.
[43:06] >> Awesome.
[43:07] >> I wonder if Mr. Darcy will actually get
[43:09] married this time. I don't know. I'm
[43:11] >> It's a cliffhanger. We'll see.
[43:13] [laughter]
[43:14] >> Yeah. Great job. It's a great theater.
[43:16] >> Thank you. I'll pass that along to them.
[43:18] I appreciate it.
[43:19] >> Thanks very
[43:21] coming.
[43:23] Anyone else for public comment?
[43:28] Okay, seeing none, uh we'll go to
[43:30] council comments. Uh been a minute since
[43:32] we did this. I don't what you were here
[43:34] at the last meeting. Which way did you
[43:35] go? We don't want to go the same way.
[43:37] >> She just randomly called out her name.
[43:39] >> Oh, she doesn't know.
[43:40] >> Yell at us. It's fine.
[43:41] >> Councilman Tokyo. All right. We start on
[43:43] that end and head down this way.
[43:45] >> Sure.
[43:45] >> Okay. All right. Councilman Tuk.
[43:47] >> Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Got a couple
[43:48] items, but I'll move quickly so we all
[43:50] have some time here this evening. But
[43:52] good evening, Spanish Fork. It's great
[43:53] to be back. It's been a minute. So,
[43:56] couple things. First off, the public
[43:57] works uh building design committee that
[44:00] I'm able to serve on is moving forward.
[44:02] It's fun to see that come together. Our
[44:04] public works uh division is in in dire
[44:07] need of uh a facility that brings them
[44:10] all together and better serves our
[44:11] community. So, just to give you a quick
[44:13] update that's looking great and
[44:15] exciting. Um, more to come. Also, uh, we
[44:19] had a fun and I'll kind of bounce around
[44:21] a little bit uh, with a couple
[44:23] announcements, but the Chamber of
[44:24] Commerce had a really fun uh, couple
[44:27] ribbon cutings, grand openings. One of
[44:29] them that stuck out to me was, and I
[44:31] might have a picture um, and Jack. Oh,
[44:33] good. Uh, so this was Blue Unicorn.
[44:36] They're uh, located by Coin Craze. if
[44:37] you know what part of the city I'm
[44:38] talking about back behind Target a
[44:40] little bit there. Wendy's. Um, Blue
[44:42] Unicorn, they uh they're kind of a fun
[44:45] protein puff bar. Anyway, they had an
[44:48] amazing grand opening. Uh they had a
[44:51] unicorn and they had what? Alpacas,
[44:53] llamas. They had all sorts of fun
[44:55] things. Uh but it was an amazing new
[44:57] business ad to our community. And it's
[45:00] exciting to see things like this come to
[45:01] Spanish Fork because I want to be here a
[45:04] part of our community and experience the goodness that we have all been
[45:08] talking about this evening. So that was
[45:09] one that stuck out to me. And then also
[45:12] uh just an update. It's been a minute
[45:14] since we had the Miss Utah pageant, but
[45:16] we have so much representation from
[45:18] Spanish Fork. So these are all uh these
[45:20] gals are all former Miss Spanish Forks
[45:22] that have competed and just competed in
[45:25] uh Miss Utah. You've got a couple to
[45:26] name a few. You've got Cali Maguire
[45:28] there um in a picture, Hope King. Hope
[45:31] actually at Miss Utah came in first
[45:33] runner up. And if you don't know much
[45:34] about Miss Utah, that's an exceptional
[45:36] accomplishment. Uh so, and she's
[45:39] actually won another title just last
[45:41] weekend to go back and compete again at
[45:43] Miss Utah next year. You can tell I get
[45:45] a little excited about these things
[45:46] because my sister was in this and I got
[45:47] involved decades ago. But uh anyway, fun
[45:50] to see Spanish represented on the state
[45:53] stage and and hope will actually go to
[45:55] the national, it's called the
[45:56] Sweethearts pageantss for all the first
[45:58] runner-ups at the state level and so
[46:00] she'll compete and represent um our
[46:01] state and and kind of Spanish Fork too
[46:04] on that national stage. Just super
[46:06] exciting. So, so fun things happening
[46:08] with the Miss Spanish Fork organization.
[46:10] Um
[46:12] went to a really great uh new business
[46:15] opening as well with Councilman Oiler.
[46:16] Uh, I'll let him talk a little more
[46:17] about it, but it was for Wheeler
[46:18] Machinery. It's been a little while, but
[46:20] that was incredible. I don't have any
[46:22] pictures. I think you may. I hope so. At
[46:24] least I didn't grab any, but uh the the
[46:27] most amazing new business I've seen
[46:29] added to our community since I've served
[46:30] on council. Absolutely. Um,
[46:33] mind-blowing. So, I'll give some time to
[46:35] you to do that if you want. Uh, I won't
[46:37] say much about Fiesta Days because
[46:39] others I will, especially Councilwoman
[46:42] Beck, but just uh one or two highlights
[46:44] from me. Uh absolutely loved the the
[46:46] Hall of Fame uh event that kicked off
[46:48] Fiesta Days. I thought the car show was
[46:50] phenomenal. So many new entries, so much
[46:53] such a larger production than it had
[46:55] been in years past. That was fun to see.
[46:57] And then my favorite event is uh on the
[47:00] last day, which is the Mr. and Mrs.
[47:01] Extraordinary Pageant, which I was able
[47:03] to judge and just uh touches my heart
[47:06] every year more and more. It's it's
[47:07] amazing that how that's come and grown
[47:09] and become a big part of Fiesta Days.
[47:11] Um, and even at the very end of
[47:13] yesterday's too, council Oiler and I,
[47:15] Councilman Oiler, we we had a class
[47:17] reunion uh that we able to somehow put
[47:20] together. It was we were exhausted, but
[47:21] we we survived it. So, that was kind of
[47:23] fun. Um,
[47:25] >> was that the same as Chad's?
[47:26] >> That was Yeah. 76. Yeah.
[47:29] >> Close.
[47:30] >> Just curious.
[47:32] >> Yeah.
[47:32] >> Feels the same to me.
[47:33] >> It was 30 years after your class.
[47:35] [laughter]
[47:38] Um, another fun Chamber of Commerce uh
[47:41] announcement. We had the Bank of Utah
[47:42] ribbon cutting. They're over there kind
[47:44] of by Popeye's Chicken. Great great new
[47:47] ad to the community. And um and I'm sure
[47:51] others will mention this as well too. Uh
[47:53] happy and sad, more happy than sad to
[47:55] see uh Dell Robinson, our director of um
[47:58] parks and recreation retire, but we have
[48:00] Bronco now and excited to hear from him
[48:02] and and watch him grow in the role.
[48:04] definitely loved working with Dale and
[48:07] wish him all the best. Um, one last
[48:10] thing here I just wanted to share. Our
[48:12] president of the Chamber of Commerce,
[48:14] she could not be with us this evening,
[48:15] but she'd had three things she wanted me
[48:17] to quickly relay to the city and the
[48:19] council. So, I just like to share these
[48:20] with you all. So, tomorrow, August 5th,
[48:22] at noon, uh the chamber community is
[48:25] celebrating Hillrest Bank's uh rebrand
[48:28] to Vista Bank. So, we're going Hillrest
[48:31] Bank to Vista Bank. And I went to a a
[48:34] meeting earlier this morning that talked
[48:36] about what that's going to look like and
[48:37] there'll be swig drinks there and all
[48:40] sorts of fun things. Anyway, if you'd
[48:41] like to come by, uh we'd love you're
[48:43] invited. So, tomorrow at noon, um Vista
[48:46] Bank. Uh and then also, uh the farmers
[48:50] market kicked off last Saturday just
[48:52] outside here in the parking lot just
[48:54] west of the our buildings where we're
[48:56] at. And uh you know, if this is
[48:58] something you haven't experienced yet in
[49:00] Spanish Fork, please do it. It's amazing
[49:02] the farmers and those vendors who show
[49:04] up and what they sell and what they
[49:05] produce. Uh absolutely incredible. So
[49:08] that was our first event and uh you know
[49:11] just right there in the Spanish works
[49:12] parking lot. It'll be every Saturday
[49:14] 8:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. uh through the
[49:17] end of October. So so please come see
[49:20] us. I I promise it will impress you.
[49:23] It's amazing. They sell everything. Um
[49:25] it's it's incredible. Uh and then just
[49:27] one last message from the Chamber of
[49:28] Commerce to the city uh particularly
[49:30] city council. They wanted me to let you
[49:32] know that we they say we collectively
[49:34] and are so grateful for the city uh and
[49:37] the city staff too, sorry, for allowing
[49:38] us to use the space for the farmers
[49:41] market. Um we deeply appreciate it and
[49:43] are excited to share the delicious hard
[49:46] works of the community. And again,
[49:47] that's all those farmers and um yeah,
[49:51] producers of amazing things that we can
[49:53] showcase for our city.
[49:55] It's a mouthful. That's all I've got.
[49:58] >> Sorry, that's starting in August, right?
[50:00] the farmers market.
[50:01] >> Started last Saturday.
[50:01] >> Last Saturday.
[50:02] >> Oh, so it's already going
[50:03] >> first one. And yeah, and then we're every Saturday now until the end
[50:06] of October.
[50:06] >> They tour the the carnival down and put
[50:09] the put the thing up.
[50:11] >> Yeah. Yeah, they were down and cool.
[50:13] >> One thing after next. Yeah,
[50:14] >> we're good.
[50:15] >> Landon Vista Bank. Is it at 11 or 12?
[50:18] For some reason, I have down 11.
[50:20] >> 11. Uh, let me confirm
[50:23] said 12, but I'll double check and
[50:25] >> All right. I can double check with her,
[50:26] too.
[50:27] Yeah, give an update if so.
[50:29] >> Be there at 11. Get some refreshments.
[50:31] >> Get a swig.
[50:32] >> Yeah, get a swig. Starts at 12.
[50:36] >> Very good. Thank you, Councilman Tuk.
[50:38] Appreciate that. Councilman Carden,
[50:40] thank you, Mayor. Um, I'll only talk
[50:43] about a few things from yesterday's as
[50:45] well. Um, the first was the Pyro
[50:47] Musical. What a such a cool event that
[50:49] started out from citizens just kind of
[50:51] putting it together. Um, but I have to
[50:54] say that the start of the fireworks,
[50:57] specifically the music selection, was
[50:59] phenomenal. Wouldn't you agree, Seth?
[51:02] >> It was incredible.
[51:03] >> Yeah. Good. Okay. Just making sure
[51:06] you're on the same page.
[51:08] Okay. Um, with that, um, the other thing
[51:10] that I wanted to talk about is The
[51:12] Prince of Egypt. Prince of Egypt was
[51:14] phenomenal. If you didn't get to see it,
[51:16] I am sorry for you. What a cool cast.
[51:18] What Thank you for talking about it, um,
[51:20] being a part of it. Um, as I served on
[51:22] the arts council, they they were talking
[51:24] about they were talking it up and I
[51:25] didn't think it was going to live up to
[51:27] the hype, but it did and it surpassed
[51:29] it. Um, just as an FYI, next year
[51:32] they'll be doing Finding Nemo, so
[51:34] something a little bit more kids. It's
[51:35] actually a shorter version. Um, and
[51:37] it'll be really fun to see that happen.
[51:41] Um, thank you to all the staff that make
[51:43] Fiesta Days happen. Um, I think there's
[51:46] a lot of volunteers that go into that
[51:47] and thank thank you to them as well. But
[51:49] our staff um I think our police
[51:52] department, they didn't look exhausted.
[51:54] They looked past exhausted. So, I don't
[51:55] know the word for it, but they were
[51:57] there by the end. But thank you to
[52:00] everyone because I know it's not just
[52:01] the police officers, our finance team is
[52:03] doing things, our parks and wreck, our
[52:05] public works, everybody is involved in
[52:08] making things happen. So, thank you.
[52:10] Also, we've received a lot of emails
[52:11] recently of praises or even text
[52:14] messages of praises for the city. And
[52:15] so, I just wanted to mention a few of
[52:16] them. Um, I received a picture of the
[52:18] Sierra Park um from a landscaper in town
[52:21] and he said, "Rarely do you see cities
[52:24] that have crisp lines and no weeds in
[52:28] their big fields." So, that was awesome.
[52:31] We received an email of somebody who
[52:34] unfortunately had to plan a funeral
[52:36] talking about how awesome our staff was
[52:38] at the cemetery and making them feel
[52:40] heard and seen. Um, I received a thank
[52:43] you from someone talking about the Fit
[52:46] City Center, talking about how awesome
[52:48] it is that they have moved the
[52:50] treadmills to the hallway and opened up
[52:52] that space because they felt like they
[52:53] could work out a little bit more.
[52:54] >> And then there was a thank you to our
[52:56] city planner saying, "Thank you for
[52:58] planning such a good city." I know that
[53:00] some of that's happened before you,
[53:01] Dave, but I thought that was an awesome
[53:03] thing and something to to shout out. So,
[53:05] um,
[53:06] >> did you just say something? It happened
[53:07] before him.
[53:08] >> He's been here 20 years. 60. I'm just
[53:11] kidding. No,
[53:13] >> you know what I meant.
[53:15] >> Thanks, Shane. Um, [laughter]
[53:17] but with that, just we we have the best
[53:20] staff in in the state for sure. Um,
[53:23] thank you from from Seth to everyone in
[53:26] all that you do because it doesn't go
[53:28] unnoticed. Thank you for what you do.
[53:29] That's all I got, Mayor.
[53:31] >> Perfect. Thank you, Councilman Carden.
[53:32] Councilman Oiler.
[53:34] >> Thank you, Mayor. got a few board
[53:36] meetings coming up this weekend next and
[53:38] so I'll report back on those at our our
[53:41] next council meeting. Uh Councilman Tuk
[53:44] mentioned the Wheeler ribbon cutting
[53:46] which was excellent. Uh it felt like
[53:48] that was a long time ago which it it
[53:51] kind of was. It was back in June. So I
[53:52] did do a report on that in our last
[53:54] council meeting which you were you were
[53:55] out of town for. So but yeah that was a
[53:58] great great ribbon cutting great
[54:00] business to have in town. Um, just
[54:03] echoing Fiesta Days and everybody that
[54:05] participated in that, everybody that
[54:08] worked and helped make all of those
[54:09] events take place. Councilwoman Beck,
[54:12] you do an amazing job every year on that
[54:15] committee putting together the right
[54:16] volunteers, the right amount of people,
[54:18] and I'm sure you'll you'll speak to
[54:20] that. Just want to mention as well just
[54:22] the gratitude towards our police
[54:24] department for the work that they put in
[54:26] that week. I walk with my family from my
[54:30] house over to the Pyro Musical and
[54:31] there's a police officer working making
[54:34] sure people don't go where they're not
[54:36] supposed to go. Um, I'm getting ready
[54:40] for the parade and I see police officers
[54:42] putting barriers out in the road to make
[54:45] sure that cars don't go where they're
[54:46] not supposed to go. I'm going to the
[54:50] rodeo and there's officers in the middle
[54:53] of the street making sure people can get
[54:55] back and forth safely. So, all of these
[54:58] things that I'm able to go and do and
[55:00] enjoy as a family and I recognize that
[55:03] there are officers that are having to
[55:05] work while we're all out enjoying those
[55:08] things. And so, we recognize the
[55:10] sacrifices that our officers make during
[55:12] that week as they, as Councilman Carden
[55:15] mentioned, they they put in a lot of
[55:16] hours. And so, Chief, thank you. If you
[55:19] could thank your staff for us as well.
[55:21] We recognize them and are grateful for
[55:23] what they do. Um,
[55:26] couple other things just quickly, and I
[55:28] don't expect answers to these tonight
[55:31] from staff, but there have been a couple
[55:33] of items that have that we've received
[55:35] emails on and that have floated around
[55:37] with uh residents that have concerns or
[55:40] questions, things that they are likely
[55:43] hoping to get addressed in one way or
[55:45] another. Again, no no need to respond to
[55:48] this tonight, but maybe that we can add
[55:50] this to future discussion. One of them
[55:53] we've discussed a little bit with parks
[55:55] and wreck department, and that's the the outdoor pool, the hours at the
[56:00] outdoor pool. Um
[56:02] families requesting, individuals
[56:05] requesting that more nights be made
[56:07] available. So I know just want the
[56:09] residents that are watching to know that
[56:11] we have discussed that. We are looking
[56:14] at ideas trying to improve that. Um make
[56:17] that better for the entire community. So
[56:19] that's not something that's being
[56:21] ignored. I can tell you right now that
[56:22] our our staff at the Fit City Center and
[56:25] our parks and reccks department are very
[56:27] aware of that and and looking for ways
[56:29] to to make possible changes there. Um,
[56:33] another update that I I would like to
[56:35] get at some point, I know we've received
[56:38] questions and concerns about the back
[56:40] parking lot at the city center and the
[56:42] noise, especially during the summertime
[56:44] that takes place back there. Some of the
[56:46] residents that have concerns, we have
[56:48] put in place some changes with cameras and other
[56:53] things. I'd be curious to know just how
[56:56] what the results are from that, any
[56:58] successes, um improvements that have occurred over the over the
[57:04] last few months as we've discussed those
[57:06] issues as well. So, those are the two items that come to mind that I'd
[57:10] love to have future discussions on.
[57:13] Outside of that, I think that's all I
[57:15] have to
[57:16] >> Perfect. Thank you, Councilman Oiler.
[57:18] Appreciate that. Councilwoman Beck,
[57:22] >> I love hearing everyone's perspective
[57:24] about Fiesta Days and I don't want to
[57:25] monopolize that by any means. So, thank
[57:27] you. It's It's fun to hear everyone's
[57:30] different version and vision of what it
[57:33] should be and I have this was my 11th
[57:37] fiesta days overseeing it as a council
[57:39] member and I've got to say it just gets
[57:42] better and better. I think the kinks are
[57:44] just getting ironed out every year and
[57:47] they're figuring out just how to get it
[57:49] to our residents more seamlessly. And
[57:51] this year I didn't feel like there were
[57:54] many hiccups. Um, we have a group text.
[57:57] Bronco and I are both on that with our
[57:59] committee. And we have an an exceptional
[58:03] executive committee that volunteers.
[58:05] They're at every single event and their
[58:08] vision of what they wanted to see happen
[58:10] was executed so well. And I'm [snorts]
[58:13] just proud of everyone, the employees. I
[58:15] know you guys have talked a lot about
[58:17] our police department, our city
[58:19] employees as a as a whole, especially
[58:21] our parks and recck department. than all
[58:22] of the volunteers, youth, city council,
[58:25] Miss Spanish Fork, just so many people.
[58:28] Um, this I never have, well, maybe once.
[58:32] I have never been able to make it to the
[58:35] community theater because it's such a
[58:38] busy time and I'm exhausted by the end.
[58:40] And I kept hearing about the Prince of
[58:42] Egypt, the Prince of Egypt, you've got
[58:43] to go. You've got to go. And so on
[58:45] Saturday, I finally went and I was so
[58:47] glad I went. It was phenomenal.
[58:50] Yeah, it was really good. So, I think
[58:52] going to that was a highlight. Also, the
[58:55] car show, um, biggest car show yet. We
[58:58] had 224 cars ended up registering, so
[59:02] that was a really big show. Great cars.
[59:06] Super fun. I I liked that it was also
[59:09] the 25th of July. It just
[59:12] >> like gave you room to do that day. And I
[59:15] didn't have to be down there at noon or
[59:16] 1. I could go at 9:00 a.m. when it was a
[59:18] little cooler. So, just lots of fabulous
[59:20] things. So, thank you everybody for
[59:22] participating and and we will be having
[59:24] our debrief meeting in a couple weeks
[59:26] and figure out what what didn't work and
[59:28] what can we do better next year. So,
[59:30] thanks again.
[59:32] >> Beautiful.
[59:33] >> Oh, I wanted to add on with the Chamber
[59:35] of Commerce, Jesse and I was able to go
[59:37] to business of the month on Friday
[59:39] afternoon. It was at Squad Cabin. Squad
[59:42] Cabin is next to the smaller Walmart on
[59:44] the east side of town, a little closer
[59:46] to Jesse and I's house. Jesse had eaten
[59:48] there before. I hadn't. I just thought
[59:50] we're going to run in and do a quick
[59:51] little business of the month. But they
[59:53] fed everyone lunch, so we spent an hour
[59:55] there. That food is phenomenal. It's
[59:59] Indian and Indo-Chinese cuisine.
[1:00:04] Every single thing we ate was fabulous.
[1:00:06] Right. Highly recommend it. They do
[1:00:08] takeout, dining in, great service,
[1:00:11] delicious food. If you haven't tried it,
[1:00:14] give it a try. That's all.
[1:00:16] >> And business of the month.
[1:00:17] >> Yep. Business of the month.
[1:00:18] >> All right. Cool. Thank you, Councilwoman
[1:00:20] Beck. Councilman Marshall,
[1:00:21] >> it's fun to go last.
[1:00:23] >> Yes.
[1:00:23] >> Um ditto everything said. Um yesterday's
[1:00:27] was amazing. It always is. And and
[1:00:28] you're right, the the staff and the um
[1:00:31] just everywhere you turn there's this
[1:00:33] staff member just like put it in the
[1:00:35] time, right? Sweat running down their
[1:00:37] face, whatever it might be. Um you know,
[1:00:41] horse stuff on their boots, whatever it
[1:00:43] might be. Like they're there to to put
[1:00:46] the work in and do the job. And it's amazing every single year. And I
[1:00:49] think you're right, Stacy, it's gotten
[1:00:51] better and better every year. And it's
[1:00:52] because of the incredible community that
[1:00:54] we live in. Um, and it's, you know,
[1:00:57] every time we talk about an investment
[1:00:58] somewhere, we talk about the reason to
[1:01:00] invest is to bring the community
[1:01:01] together. And this is one of those times
[1:01:02] where it just feels right. Right. You're
[1:01:06] walking down your little main street.
[1:01:08] And when I was growing up, you could, we
[1:01:10] had a place in the park where we sat
[1:01:12] every single time. And you don't need to
[1:01:14] go there. You could get there five
[1:01:15] minutes before the park. and the
[1:01:16] Marshall space was there.
[1:01:19] You can't do that now, right? You're there the day before sweating,
[1:01:24] holding your place. Um Matt's group is
[1:01:27] like, "All right, guys. Don't leave your
[1:01:28] spot." Like, it's a it's a lot of it's a different community, but it's
[1:01:32] still small. It still feels small on
[1:01:34] that day or this last week. So, thank
[1:01:36] you very much for that. Thank you for
[1:01:37] the volunteers. Thank you for the city
[1:01:39] staff. Um, I can't imagine having to
[1:01:42] wear the garb that your group has to
[1:01:44] wear, chief. Like my my nephew is a is
[1:01:47] an officer over in Salem and he comes
[1:01:49] over and he he finished his shift and
[1:01:51] he's got his jacket on, his vest, and he
[1:01:54] pops that thing off and he's just
[1:01:55] dripping wet like, man, that is that is rough. Um, but thank you for
[1:02:00] them. Um, their presence makes a
[1:02:03] difference and it's you can feel it. You
[1:02:06] feel the comfort. Um, there are a lot of
[1:02:08] people around. So, I appreciate that.
[1:02:09] And just again, can't say more good
[1:02:12] things about the way staff handles that week. So, congratulations.
[1:02:15] >> Nice job.
[1:02:17] >> That's it. [snorts]
[1:02:18] >> That's it.
[1:02:18] >> Yeah.
[1:02:19] >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you.
[1:02:21] >> Thank you everybody. Uh, I won't try to
[1:02:24] uh piggyback too much on on what's been
[1:02:27] said except in reference of of what
[1:02:29] Councilman Carden said, the the opening
[1:02:32] of the the Pyro musical. if you weren't
[1:02:35] listening, that uh was a song um that I know well and that some people of
[1:02:42] my era know well. Bulls on Parade by
[1:02:45] Rage Against the Machine, part of the
[1:02:47] [snorts] Evil Empire album, uh comes out
[1:02:50] in 1996.
[1:02:52] And I'm getting a head nod back here.
[1:02:54] It's a fellow rocker back there. And um
[1:02:57] in 1996, I was 16 years old. Mayor Marie
[1:03:00] Huff was the mayor of this fine city and
[1:03:03] she came pulling into Alan Huff's
[1:03:06] driveway which was a relative and and my
[1:03:10] good friend and you know Allan and she
[1:03:12] asked what are you guys doing today and
[1:03:14] we both looked at each other don't say
[1:03:16] we're going to the concert come up with
[1:03:18] anything else but that's where we were
[1:03:20] going was to the concert and uh she
[1:03:23] probably knew it kind of because she
[1:03:24] said we ought to go to the concert it's
[1:03:26] going to be okay and um and it was Okay.
[1:03:29] September 11th, uh, 2026 is going to be
[1:03:33] 30 years. I'm leaving it up to Bronco to
[1:03:36] try to get the reunion tour put
[1:03:38] together. Um, it's going to be tough,
[1:03:41] but they're they're not a band anymore.
[1:03:44] But, uh, you know, part of that is, if
[1:03:46] you're listening to to what that is,
[1:03:49] that's a a an accident, a happy accident
[1:03:52] that happened in our city that it was like, you know, is now in the annals
[1:03:57] of history. Um, but I gauge what I do in
[1:04:01] government sometimes. And by the way, I
[1:04:03] think they were probably speaking ill of
[1:04:06] government. If you want to listen to
[1:04:08] Bulls on Parade, do it without kids. Uh, or or or, you know, get the edited
[1:04:15] track of it. But, um, I try to gauge
[1:04:18] things in in 16 years of service of not
[1:04:21] that long, 13 years of service of maybe
[1:04:24] don't rage against the machine. it. We we had a pretty uh pretty big
[1:04:30] concerns and worries when that incident
[1:04:33] happened here and what happened were a
[1:04:36] couple of tickets uh if I remember
[1:04:38] right, Chief. So, law enforcement again,
[1:04:41] it's already been said how good they uh
[1:04:44] are and have been, but they were great
[1:04:46] that day, too, to let a bunch of kids
[1:04:49] run around and run into each other and
[1:04:51] probably use a lot of, you know, rough
[1:04:53] language. And then they gave out two
[1:04:55] tickets and uh and the town didn't burn
[1:04:58] down. Like what was what was worried
[1:05:00] about? It was worried about looting
[1:05:02] burning down and what was going to
[1:05:04] happen. But this is a Southern
[1:05:06] California band that went all over the
[1:05:07] country and uh toured for years and is in the Rock and Roll Hall
[1:05:10] of Fame and they played in Spanish Fork.
[1:05:12] So it's actually pretty cool. Uh so
[1:05:15] anyway, it was cool to have that start
[1:05:16] out that uh that uh firework uh uh
[1:05:20] episode, the Pyro musical. And credit
[1:05:23] again to Mike Clayson of Pacific
[1:05:25] Horizon. He's been here already before,
[1:05:27] but they raise a ton of money to do
[1:05:28] that. So, it's pretty cool that
[1:05:30] businesses participate, make that
[1:05:32] happen, and everybody comes together to
[1:05:34] listen to some good music, but it
[1:05:36] started out with some really good music
[1:05:38] this year. So, very cool stuff. Um, the
[1:05:41] Grand Marshals, the Liyards were
[1:05:42] awesome. Um, the the social media team,
[1:05:46] Jack, your team of of releasing and
[1:05:48] keeping people updated. It sure felt
[1:05:50] fresh that if you you know didn't know
[1:05:52] what was going on, you should have
[1:05:54] known. Uh because we were telling you
[1:05:56] what was going on. So good uh good comms
[1:05:59] out to to everybody and and uh I thought
[1:06:01] everybody had a good time. The the rodeo
[1:06:03] was was awesome as it always is. Thank
[1:06:05] you everybody for for coming and and
[1:06:07] packing that house. And um many many
[1:06:11] contestants, many people come after the
[1:06:14] rodeo or during the rodeo to to Seth and
[1:06:16] I that get to sit in some of those uh
[1:06:18] different parts of it and let us know
[1:06:20] how much they appreciate uh the Fiesta
[1:06:23] Days rodeo and and the behind the scenes
[1:06:25] part of it too. the way we take care of
[1:06:28] families and contestants and those
[1:06:29] people that are traveling the road all
[1:06:31] summer to to try to win not a lot of
[1:06:34] money. Honestly, it's crazy if they're into that gig, but they are
[1:06:38] and they are for our entertainment.
[1:06:39] They're in it for the love, not to the
[1:06:41] Austin are going to do great, but they
[1:06:43] won't make it a lot of money at it. Um,
[1:06:45] but uh but it's fun to watch and and
[1:06:48] that was fun to be with everybody. Um,
[1:06:50] last thing I'll I'll have is I sent Jack
[1:06:52] some pictures of the county fair. The
[1:06:54] menden halls were intimately involved in
[1:06:56] the county fair this year because I've
[1:06:58] got a brother who won't let up of my
[1:07:01] nine-year-old Jagger uh having some
[1:07:03] culture in the agriculture sphere. And
[1:07:07] uh so this was her his first year
[1:07:09] competing in the uh pig uh showing
[1:07:12] stuff. Um Bronco Hunter knows about this
[1:07:17] as well. The whole Hunter family is a
[1:07:19] big name down there. But uh Jag took
[1:07:21] seventh in his class. Got a great That's
[1:07:24] a pig whip there, Shane. That's what
[1:07:26] that's called. A pig whip. You use it to
[1:07:28] whip pigs. And uh then an IFA gift card
[1:07:32] there.
[1:07:32] >> Tell you that. Is that how you knew?
[1:07:33] >> No, I watched it. I watched it happen.
[1:07:35] Who do you think taught him that? Uh
[1:07:37] that buckle's huge. Uh but uh so fun to
[1:07:41] watch the kids and and his cousins do
[1:07:43] this down at the county fair that
[1:07:45] happened right after Fiesta Days. And um
[1:07:48] again, I've said it before, but if you
[1:07:51] think agriculture or the the western way
[1:07:54] or farming is dying in uh Spanish Fork,
[1:07:57] you need to put down your phone and you
[1:07:59] need to go to a place like this and see
[1:08:01] how healthy it is. It is healthy. It's
[1:08:03] growing and it's an economic uh
[1:08:06] indicator as well. These businesses that
[1:08:09] support that. So cool to see all the
[1:08:11] banners up and kids from all over the
[1:08:14] state uh competing and um and my brother
[1:08:17] Tyler says it best. You're raising kids,
[1:08:19] not animals. I think Bronco would attest
[1:08:21] to that with his family, but it's sure
[1:08:24] fun to see these kids do their thing and
[1:08:26] congratulate each other. So, thank you
[1:08:28] to Utah County for your partnership
[1:08:30] during Fiesta Days and then with the
[1:08:32] county fair after. Um, we've already
[1:08:34] talked about it again, but a lot of
[1:08:36] investment, the public money going into
[1:08:38] that facility down there to make it an
[1:08:40] even better facility next year. I'm
[1:08:41] excited to see all that transpires down
[1:08:44] there uh going forward into the future.
[1:08:46] So, very cool stuff. Um,
[1:08:50] one last thing before uh we get on to
[1:08:52] too much and and she could have been
[1:08:54] part of this recognition parade that we
[1:08:56] just had here, but uh I I I I want to
[1:08:59] bring her up now and uh and and tell her
[1:09:02] thanks and give her a minute to address
[1:09:03] us uh as well. Um there's comes a time
[1:09:08] in in um in service that uh that you
[1:09:11] serve a term and and then you you do
[1:09:13] your thing and and move on. And this is
[1:09:15] kind of a person that we're like, man,
[1:09:17] we hope she never moves on. Um, but but
[1:09:20] it's it's it's her time to move on and we appreciate her service. Uh,
[1:09:24] David, is that something you'd like to
[1:09:27] take from here to recognize an outgoing
[1:09:30] commissioner?
[1:09:39] » I do need to save a little bit for
[1:09:40] tomorrow night,
[1:09:41] >> so I'll be pretty quick.
[1:09:43] >> Okay, good. Um Sean is going to be with
[1:09:45] us for one more planning commission
[1:09:47] meeting and uh she has been an absolute
[1:09:51] rock. Uh she's gone to trainings outside
[1:09:55] of the planning commission meetings. Um
[1:09:58] she learned very very early on in her
[1:10:01] service about how to contribute and how
[1:10:05] to engage in different discussions and
[1:10:06] that type of a thing. Um, and you know,
[1:10:10] that's probably how I would describe
[1:10:12] what she's done for the community as a
[1:10:14] planning commissioner. She has
[1:10:16] contributed that there have been some
[1:10:17] fairly weighty things that have been
[1:10:20] discussed over the course of past now
[1:10:22] more than six years while she served as
[1:10:25] a planning commissioner. Uh there's some
[1:10:27] work that still isn't done and I'll
[1:10:31] commit to keep her posted on how some
[1:10:33] things progress. Um but uh we've been
[1:10:36] really fortunate over the years to have
[1:10:38] had some great planning commissioners
[1:10:40] and she's right there with the best of
[1:10:42] them and I mean that uh she's going to
[1:10:44] be missed. So it's it's uh it's great to
[1:10:47] see people have the opportunity to serve
[1:10:49] and it's sad to to get to this point and
[1:10:53] have to have to kind of say goodbye in
[1:10:56] one regard. So I appreciate the
[1:10:59] opportunity to share that and again just
[1:11:00] Shauna thank you very much.
[1:11:03] Perfect. Thank you, Dave. Shauna, will
[1:11:05] you come up and let us give you a round
[1:11:06] of applause and say a few words?
[1:11:15] That's so kind. I love Spanish Fork and
[1:11:20] uh
[1:11:22] it's when um I had been on the library
[1:11:25] board many years ago when my kids were
[1:11:27] small and I got a another call from uh
[1:11:31] to meet with Mayor Leon about six and a
[1:11:35] half years ago and went and sat down
[1:11:37] with him and he said, "We'd like to
[1:11:39] invite you to be on the planning
[1:11:41] commission." And I said, "Sure." I have
[1:11:44] no idea what that is.
[1:11:46] >> [laughter]
[1:11:47] >> But I love to help and I love to be
[1:11:49] involved in Spanish Fork City because uh
[1:11:51] it's just awesome people and great uh a
[1:11:56] great place to be and I I just love to
[1:11:58] be a contributor and learn and just this
[1:12:02] is awesome and boy nothing strengthens
[1:12:04] your backbone like being on the planning
[1:12:07] commission and the school board
[1:12:09] [laughter] and so I it's been a great
[1:12:11] experience for me. So thank you for the privilege. Thank you to all of
[1:12:16] you who get to serve and and keep
[1:12:18] serving. So, what a blessing. Thank you.
[1:12:20] >> Thank you, Shauna. I appreciate your
[1:12:22] service. Jack, can you get a picture if
[1:12:24] Shauna stands up in front of us right
[1:12:25] here? I think we lost Pete for a minute,
[1:12:27] but Jesse, you might have something to
[1:12:29] say after we get a picture.
[1:12:31] >> That's okay.
[1:12:31] >> Are you Did you sit on planning
[1:12:33] commission with her?
[1:12:35] >> Right here. Right in front. Picture of
[1:12:38] this. We'll have to light a fire under
[1:12:39] Jack.
[1:12:45] be nimble. Jack, be quick. Is that
[1:12:47] what you're saying? Jack, jump over the
[1:12:48] candlestick if it's lit.
[1:12:51] >> Thank you so much.
[1:12:56] » Mayor, I don't know that this is a
[1:12:57] highlight for Shauna, but man, it sure
[1:12:59] was a highlight for me. Um, this
[1:13:02] >> that she's leaving. You're not
[1:13:03] >> No, sorry. That was a that was a pre uh
[1:13:07] preposition. Um she this memory I have
[1:13:10] Shauna you were we were in the old
[1:13:12] council chamber so this is probably four
[1:13:13] or five years old probably within the
[1:13:15] first year or two of your service
[1:13:17] but there was some developer or some
[1:13:21] issue I can't remember what it was but
[1:13:23] the the applicant was really pushing
[1:13:26] hard on something and getting kind of
[1:13:28] belligerent and and rude and I remember
[1:13:32] watching how Shauna handled that with
[1:13:34] such grace and how she best stood stood
[1:13:39] what her position or ground was and and
[1:13:42] holding firm to what she believed was
[1:13:44] important and and not buckling to you
[1:13:47] know whatever I probably describe as a
[1:13:49] bullish bullyish type behavior. I don't
[1:13:51] know if you remember this. You probably
[1:13:53] have a few of these memories. Uh but I I
[1:13:56] remember watching that and just thinking
[1:13:57] that's a rockstar right there. and and
[1:14:00] uh you know you have a few you have a
[1:14:02] few other things that you do where you
[1:14:04] get to experience the public in those
[1:14:06] settings and and issues that are tough
[1:14:08] but man handling those tough issues as a
[1:14:11] volunteer like you guys at least ran for
[1:14:13] it. We get you know we're staff members
[1:14:15] too that's totally different than
[1:14:18] somebody who got called in by the mayor
[1:14:19] and said hey will you come do something
[1:14:21] that you know nothing about and you have
[1:14:22] to deal with stuff like that. It's
[1:14:24] always it's always impressive and and
[1:14:26] you did you did it with such grace and
[1:14:28] uh and knowledge. So great job. Thank
[1:14:31] you.
[1:14:31] >> I had the opportunity to serve on the
[1:14:33] planning commission with Shauna. And one
[1:14:34] of the things that I always appreciate
[1:14:35] about Shauna is that she always had
[1:14:38] Spanish Fork as a whole their best at in
[1:14:41] mind. It didn't matter what the issue
[1:14:43] was, what was happening, she was worried
[1:14:45] about everyone in Spanish Fork and
[1:14:46] making sure we made the right decision.
[1:14:48] And it included what you just said,
[1:14:49] Seth, is it was calling a spade a spade
[1:14:51] and saying, "Hey, let's let's back off
[1:14:53] here. let's let's settle down. And there
[1:14:55] were a couple times where it got heated,
[1:14:57] but she was always good about
[1:15:00] deescalating those situations, but also
[1:15:02] asking really really good questions and
[1:15:04] tough questions of those applicants
[1:15:06] coming in and making sure that we got
[1:15:08] what was best for Spanish Fork. I'm
[1:15:10] going to miss having you on this on the
[1:15:11] planning commission. Thank you for your
[1:15:12] service.
[1:15:16] » Very good. That's a a a loss for the
[1:15:20] planning commission and uh and like Dave
[1:15:22] said, a rotational thing, but uh we can
[1:15:25] still be sad about losing you, Shauna,
[1:15:27] and we know you're not going far. You
[1:15:28] serve very well on our school board and
[1:15:31] serve on on other committees and
[1:15:32] volunteer ways, too. So, we know we're
[1:15:34] not losing you fully, but uh we
[1:15:36] appreciate really your service for so
[1:15:38] many years on the planning commission.
[1:15:40] Good stuff.
[1:15:42] Okay. Uh next on the agenda is staff
[1:15:46] reports. Uh
[1:15:48] >> yeah, Mayor, just a couple of quick
[1:15:49] ones. Number one, what was your favorite memory from the
[1:15:52] rodeo
[1:15:55] >> this year?
[1:15:55] >> Yeah. Anything with like animals or zoo
[1:15:58] animals?
[1:15:59] >> Um, no zoo animals, but uh
[1:16:02] >> What do you mean no zoo animals? I feel
[1:16:03] like there's some tigers and bears.
[1:16:04] >> Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. Landon brought it
[1:16:07] up. It was a pretty cool year to to put
[1:16:10] Joe Butler into the Hall of Fame. It was
[1:16:12] pretty cool. You're not supposed to see
[1:16:14] uh Cowboys, especially ones that, you
[1:16:16] know, are dumb enough and tough enough
[1:16:18] to get in front of bulls like that, get
[1:16:20] emotional, but Joe Butler got emotional.
[1:16:22] I'll just say it on the record, record
[1:16:24] it. Joe Butler got emotional uh about
[1:16:26] being in the Hall of Fame and probably
[1:16:27] hanging up a a long career of doing what
[1:16:30] he did. And so, I thought that was that
[1:16:31] was really cool. He's a friend of of
[1:16:33] mine and and for him to get that honor
[1:16:36] was
[1:16:36] >> Yeah. I think he cried more there than
[1:16:38] he did when his wrist was sideways, his
[1:16:40] nose was upside down, his eye was
[1:16:41] falling out.
[1:16:42] >> Never seen him cry with that stuff. Yep.
[1:16:45] >> So, one of my favorite memories was the
[1:16:47] mayor coming over to me and saying,
[1:16:48] "Hey, Bear and Tiger Bachmire are
[1:16:50] sitting right over there. We need to get
[1:16:51] them into the rodeo." I'm like, "Mayor,
[1:16:54] come on." He's like, "No, let's go." So
[1:16:56] the mayor and I trot just trot on up to
[1:16:58] Bear and Tiger and he coaxes them out of
[1:17:01] the stands onto the arena floor to
[1:17:03] participate in our what we might call a
[1:17:05] halftime show as we're getting ready for
[1:17:06] the motorcycles to jump. It was really
[1:17:09] fun and they were they were super
[1:17:11] gracious and uh the crowd of course
[1:17:14] loved it uh that night. But that was fun
[1:17:17] to watch the mayor kind of do his thing.
[1:17:18] He totally flexed the mayor card like
[1:17:20] look guys you got to do it. I'm the
[1:17:22] mayor. I'm here asking you can't turn me
[1:17:24] down. We'll pull you over on the way
[1:17:26] out.
[1:17:26] >> Yeah. I mean, it's going to be the the
[1:17:27] end of the world for you. There's no NIL
[1:17:29] in it for you. I'm the mayor. This is
[1:17:30] all free. You can write it off as a tax
[1:17:33] deduction later. And whatever he did, he
[1:17:36] got him out there. We we had 10 minutes
[1:17:37] with him on the arena floor. Uh we last
[1:17:41] time we met, it was right after the 4th
[1:17:43] of July. I think our 24th of July
[1:17:46] fireworks experience was just the same.
[1:17:49] Um I'm going to look maybe to you, Matt.
[1:17:51] We don't have Chief Hails here, but
[1:17:53] seems like fireworks over the 24th was
[1:17:56] pretty much the same, if not a little
[1:17:57] bit less in terms of actual fires that
[1:18:00] we fought. I I know our fire crews
[1:18:02] responded to some mutual aid fires in
[1:18:04] neighboring jurisdictions, but um is
[1:18:08] that how you observed it with the calls
[1:18:10] that that you guys saw?
[1:18:11] >> No incidents, no citations issued. So,
[1:18:14] big shout out to the residents and being
[1:18:16] responsible. So, we appreciate it.
[1:18:18] >> Yeah. any feedback that you guys have or
[1:18:20] that you received in regards to allowing
[1:18:23] fireworks. Again, we weren't necessarily
[1:18:25] as maverick as maybe we were on the 4th
[1:18:28] of July, but but we were still somewhat
[1:18:30] unique in Utah County. Just just one
[1:18:33] thing I would add is I feel like it was
[1:18:34] such success because in large part
[1:18:36] because of u the communication team
[1:18:38] Jack's team and the you know their
[1:18:41] presence on social media and really
[1:18:42] informing and they did some fun creative
[1:18:45] uh campaigns and I felt like that went a
[1:18:47] long way and the map anyway
[1:18:50] a lot of gratitude from residents that
[1:18:52] we were that we allowed it that we kind
[1:18:54] of stuck with they love the fact that we
[1:18:56] were already in a spot where our
[1:18:59] restrictive map was basically un like it
[1:19:01] was already made before this and we just
[1:19:03] stuck with it because they already knew
[1:19:05] where they could rely on before but then
[1:19:06] that we were able to still do that. Um,
[1:19:09] you know, they wanted me to thank the
[1:19:11] mayor and chief hell for for going with
[1:19:13] that.
[1:19:14] >> Perfect. Thank you. Any other comments
[1:19:16] on fireworks? Okay.
[1:19:19] Well, that Thank you. Um,
[1:19:22] uh, we have started the demolition of
[1:19:24] the Willie Barn, which is the large
[1:19:26] indoor arena just behind the the outdoor
[1:19:30] arena where we have the rodeo. And that project is is underway to rebuild
[1:19:36] that arena um to a slightly bigger, but
[1:19:40] more specifically a safer uh standard.
[1:19:43] the the building structure itself is is
[1:19:47] um I don't know it might be as old as
[1:19:51] it's not it's not as old as the country
[1:19:52] but it's probably it's older than the
[1:19:56] memories that Chad was sharing. Um so
[1:19:59] it's pretty old. Um it's going to be a
[1:20:02] pretty intense project. We're going to
[1:20:04] take it down and rebuild it before next
[1:20:08] year's stock show which I think is
[1:20:11] midappril if I'm getting my dates right
[1:20:13] somewhere in 1 of April mid April. So
[1:20:17] it's going to be a pretty big effort to
[1:20:18] get that thing built and and completed
[1:20:21] but we that's the plan that the
[1:20:22] contractors certainly on board with
[1:20:24] that. So users around the fairgrounds
[1:20:27] will see that. Um users of the
[1:20:29] fairgrounds certainly know that because
[1:20:31] if anybody has rented that facility in
[1:20:34] the past, there is a blackout for the
[1:20:36] next many months where they won't use
[1:20:37] that. So just remind the council of that
[1:20:40] uh that project's underway and it's a
[1:20:42] joint project with Utah County. We're
[1:20:43] grateful for their participation in
[1:20:44] helping to make that upgrade and and uh
[1:20:47] that that upgrade possible.
[1:20:49] >> Beth, real quick, I know we've talked
[1:20:51] about timing on that one. Was it
[1:20:53] determined with the demo? Was everything
[1:20:56] being scrapped or were there any
[1:20:58] bleachers or gate panels or gates or
[1:21:01] anything?
[1:21:02] >> Yeah. Anything that we could get out and
[1:21:04] take out in a timely way, we did.
[1:21:06] >> U there have been a number of people
[1:21:08] that have asked, hey, can I come and
[1:21:09] salvage this? Can I come and harvest
[1:21:11] that? And the answer has been no. Um
[1:21:14] when when our experience has been if
[1:21:16] somebody says, hey, I'm going to come
[1:21:18] and get this. We've got a eightmonth
[1:21:20] window that we've got to get this thing
[1:21:21] done. we don't have any days to spare to
[1:21:24] allow, let's say it's you, you know, to
[1:21:26] come in. Oh, hey, I I didn't quite get
[1:21:28] everything done today. I'll be here back
[1:21:29] on Monday. Like, there's just no room
[1:21:31] for that.
[1:21:32] >> So, we'll be able to scrap things, but
[1:21:33] not salvage it out to somebody who maybe
[1:21:35] wants to use it in another place. So,
[1:21:38] yeah, and I know there are a few people
[1:21:40] that have expressed frustrations about
[1:21:41] that, but we just don't have the time to
[1:21:43] turn that around um and give that give
[1:21:46] that to somebody.
[1:21:47] >> Thank you.
[1:21:48] >> So, thank you for that question. Uh, I
[1:21:50] want to touch on the two maybe two quick
[1:21:52] things uh that Councilman Oiler asked.
[1:21:53] One, can we have the pool open later for
[1:21:55] families? This has been something that staff has been talking about a lot.
[1:21:59] when we opened up this pool, I think a
[1:22:01] mistake that I made, and you know, I
[1:22:03] can't go back and remedy that today, but
[1:22:06] if I could do this one over again, and
[1:22:08] if I could advise a future city that's
[1:22:10] going to go through this process again,
[1:22:12] I would say uh because I I would say
[1:22:16] don't think that everything's going to
[1:22:18] be just like last time. You know, we had
[1:22:20] a pool that that rented out two windows
[1:22:23] of time and it was highly popular. In
[1:22:27] fact, it was I I think almost all
[1:22:29] rentals were taken by January 5th,
[1:22:32] opening on January 2nd. Like it was
[1:22:34] highly rented u at night. So when we
[1:22:38] opened up the pool, we as you guys know,
[1:22:40] we set up two rental periods, an a early
[1:22:43] evening and a later evening.
[1:22:46] The rental for this facility is
[1:22:48] different. And most rentals, if not
[1:22:52] every rental for that pool was the has
[1:22:56] been set for the first time, which is
[1:22:59] like 7 o'clock, I think. And so we allow
[1:23:01] for a little bit of a shutdown and then refresh and then it opens up
[1:23:05] for that rental. The majority of the
[1:23:07] rentals were have were purchased well
[1:23:11] before the summer opened. And and so
[1:23:14] when we started to get that feedback of
[1:23:16] we want the pool open later. Oh, pausing
[1:23:18] this. We also with the other pool, we
[1:23:20] did a lot of research. Scott the
[1:23:22] librarian actually did this research
[1:23:23] when he was Scott the intern uh before
[1:23:26] he was caught the firefighter. And uh we
[1:23:29] found that very few people came to the
[1:23:31] pool after five o'clock, like new
[1:23:33] patrons. And so we just didn't earn any
[1:23:35] new money, right? Uh, and so we carried
[1:23:38] I wrongly carried a lot of that logic
[1:23:41] from how the pool operated to how we
[1:23:43] were going to operate this new outdoor
[1:23:45] pool. So fast forward, we get into this
[1:23:47] summer and the patrons are saying we
[1:23:50] want later times, we want later times
[1:23:51] and we hear that our challenge has been
[1:23:54] especially Tuesday through
[1:23:57] uh Saturday that first rental period was
[1:24:00] for the most part taken on most days.
[1:24:03] Um, and so to to make the pool open
[1:24:06] later, we'd have to call all of those
[1:24:08] rentals, cancel those, and and frustrate
[1:24:10] people that are renting it. Um, that's
[1:24:14] not exactly the way or exactly the case
[1:24:16] every night, but it is for most nights,
[1:24:17] Tuesday through Saturday. And I'll let
[1:24:19] Bronco kind of fill in some of the
[1:24:20] blanks here in a sec. But that that's
[1:24:23] one of those things that you know what,
[1:24:24] the old pool, I think if I could go
[1:24:26] back, I we would probably say we're not
[1:24:28] going to do two. We're only going to do
[1:24:29] one. and staff's already working through
[1:24:31] some different ways to handle next year
[1:24:32] because it doesn't work the same and it
[1:24:34] shouldn't work the same. It's a totally
[1:24:36] different machine, totally different
[1:24:37] beast. So, I think you'll you'll see a
[1:24:39] much better operation in balancing that
[1:24:41] for next year. And then we are seeing
[1:24:45] people use this pool, want to use this
[1:24:47] pool in much different numbers after
[1:24:49] five o'clock than last pool. Right.
[1:24:51] Again, carrying the this is what how it
[1:24:54] was last time is not how it's going to
[1:24:56] be this time. And so, we're definitely
[1:24:58] learning that. Bronco, what else would
[1:24:59] you add to to that?
[1:25:01] >> I'm honestly as much to blame because I
[1:25:03] was heavily involved in the old pool and
[1:25:05] what's crazy about it is, you know, we
[1:25:07] earmarked Monday nights as family night
[1:25:09] and we had extended hours to 8:00 and
[1:25:12] during my time there, my experience, it
[1:25:14] didn't get used. And so I actually
[1:25:15] turned that money at night into rental
[1:25:18] slots and uh
[1:25:20] >> we started doing swimming lessons at
[1:25:21] night.
[1:25:22] >> We started doing swimming lessons at
[1:25:23] night to to try to utilize that body of
[1:25:26] water. And so just appreciate the
[1:25:28] public's patience as we're trying to
[1:25:30] learn a new location, a way bigger
[1:25:32] amenity, and we'll we'll continue to
[1:25:35] make changes and and make it better as
[1:25:37] it goes. So appreciate the patience as
[1:25:38] we learn too the process of running a
[1:25:40] facility this size.
[1:25:42] >> I I don't think anybody's looking to
[1:25:45] blame anybody. And so, you know, I
[1:25:47] appreciate you wanting
[1:25:49] to take that on, right? But yeah, I
[1:25:51] don't think anybody's wanting to blame
[1:25:53] anybody for
[1:25:54] >> Have you read Facebook? We have,
[1:25:56] >> some may, some may, and it's okay. We're
[1:25:58] >> Yeah. No, you're I I appreciate that we're learning through this new
[1:26:02] process and I hope the public
[1:26:05] understands that that how it is today
[1:26:07] doesn't mean that's how it's going to be
[1:26:08] forever. We can always learn from it and
[1:26:10] make adjustments going forward. So,
[1:26:12] >> and and in the old pool, we could have
[1:26:17] somebody in the pavilion and somebody in
[1:26:19] the pool and then switch them out. And
[1:26:20] so you had an hour and a half to have
[1:26:22] your barbecue in the pool in the
[1:26:23] pavilion and then an hour and a half to
[1:26:25] swim. And that worked out really well.
[1:26:27] >> Now you can't have your barbecue and
[1:26:29] your swimming in the time block that we
[1:26:31] have. It just doesn't work.
[1:26:32] >> So again, a total retool next year.
[1:26:35] >> You didn't have family passes. You
[1:26:36] didn't like it's a whole different
[1:26:38] system. We're learning. I appreciate
[1:26:40] >> not the it was my fault because we all
[1:26:44] said it makes sense too.
[1:26:45] >> Um but I appreciate the in the
[1:26:48] willingness to adapt and change. I mean,
[1:26:50] it's new to all of us and I
[1:26:51] >> So, I'm with you, Kevin. Like, give us
[1:26:53] some patience
[1:26:56] >> and we will make some changes and move
[1:26:58] forward with it. But I'm going to have
[1:26:59] to say that, you know, the the the
[1:27:01] constant you're a bunch of idiots on
[1:27:02] Facebook does not help.
[1:27:04] >> No, not at all.
[1:27:05] >> If you have a if you want to talk to us
[1:27:07] and engage, come here, talk with us. Get
[1:27:09] pick up the phone and give me a call and
[1:27:11] let's talk about why this, you know,
[1:27:13] 5-second you're a bunch of stupid
[1:27:16] people. you don't know how to run a
[1:27:18] business on Facebook. Doesn't help at
[1:27:19] all. Not at all. Um there's some real
[1:27:22] challenges with it. It's, you know, new
[1:27:24] to all of us and and it gets better
[1:27:26] every single week.
[1:27:27] >> Yeah.
[1:27:28] >> And it'll get better next year and and
[1:27:29] we'll learn from it. But good.
[1:27:31] >> And I I I'm you know me, I'm a I'm a
[1:27:34] rosy eyes kind of guy, but I love that
[1:27:37] people are complaining about that. Like
[1:27:39] that tells me with the complaints.
[1:27:40] >> Well, no, but that tells me how much
[1:27:42] they love it, right? Like like that's pretty cool that they want more.
[1:27:46] So, I'm I'm happy. I'm
[1:27:48] with you, though. Like, come on. Uh, we
[1:27:50] get some complaints. I know Councilwoman
[1:27:52] Beck saw the complaint about garbage and
[1:27:54] it was like a come on Spanish work and garbage cans. Like, really? Like,
[1:27:59] >> I'm fine with the complaints, don't get
[1:28:00] me wrong.
[1:28:01] >> Yeah.
[1:28:01] I'm the tone, right?
[1:28:03] >> It's the tone. It's the
[1:28:04] >> we're a bunch of idiots that we don't
[1:28:06] know how to do anything. But
[1:28:07] >> Shane was not at the Rage Against
[1:28:08] Machine gun. 96.
[1:28:10] >> I really didn't even know was going on
[1:28:11] too old.
[1:28:12] >> I'm like 96. What was I [clears throat]
[1:28:13] doing? you know, six kids, two jobs, and
[1:28:16] >> I've been there.
[1:28:18] >> Been there.
[1:28:18] >> We've only ever had three kids, by the
[1:28:20] way.
[1:28:20] >> Oh,
[1:28:22] >> the second one.
[1:28:23] >> Maybe continuing on, Councilman Oiler
[1:28:25] mentioned the back parking lot. I Matt
[1:28:28] is wellversed in things that we're
[1:28:29] doing. Um, I don't know if you have
[1:28:31] anything to add, but I I will say
[1:28:34] call,
[1:28:37] you know, there have been some that have
[1:28:38] sent emails and whatnot. in the moment.
[1:28:40] If somebody's got something and they're
[1:28:41] frustrated or worried about it, call the
[1:28:43] non-emergency dispatch line. And Matt,
[1:28:45] you can give that number here in a
[1:28:46] second. We can put it on the screen as
[1:28:48] in the in the replay of this, but like
[1:28:51] don't don't take a video and send
[1:28:53] something to you two days later. Like
[1:28:55] call the dispatch non-emergency line.
[1:28:58] Our police officers will go there.
[1:29:00] They'll they'll uh talk to the kids,
[1:29:03] help them get out. Nobody wants to bust
[1:29:05] the kids. Like that's not productive.
[1:29:07] Uh, but our officers are really good at
[1:29:09] going talking to them, telling them,
[1:29:11] "Hey, your music's disturbing people and
[1:29:13] [snorts] whatnot." But anything I know
[1:29:15] you guys have been there, checked it out
[1:29:17] a few times.
[1:29:26] » Did we kill it? We might have died.
[1:29:30] >> Yeah, that that's I think that's what
[1:29:31] the sound has been. We we killed
[1:29:35] >> we've had officers.
[1:29:59] » Right.
[1:30:01] That that's what I've that's what I've
[1:30:03] heard, chief, is an officer will come,
[1:30:06] they'll all scatter, they'll take off.
[1:30:07] It sounds like they go to the dugout and
[1:30:09] just hang out at the dugout and cause
[1:30:12] problems there. That's
[1:30:14] >> until the officer leaves and then they
[1:30:17] go back.
[1:30:37] Thank you.
[1:30:50] » Great.
[1:30:51] [cough]
[1:30:53] No, we
[1:30:55] yeah, we appreciate the officers that go
[1:30:58] down there and have to
[1:31:00] struggle through that because it's it's
[1:31:02] ongoing, right? Especially in the summer
[1:31:04] months. But yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And
[1:31:06] just Yeah. If you could keep us informed
[1:31:08] on on any changes or any improvements
[1:31:11] that continue to make, appreciate it.
[1:31:15] >> Thank [snorts] you, Seth. Appreciate
[1:31:16] that.
[1:31:17] >> Yeah. And and I think we we've got a few
[1:31:19] more things that we're we're tinkering
[1:31:20] with. Uh, candidly, I'm okay, really
[1:31:23] okay with
[1:31:26] um somebody if they're worried about it,
[1:31:28] calling and having our officers go. The
[1:31:31] more our officers end up going, I mean,
[1:31:33] especially if it's within, you know,
[1:31:35] it's not an emergency, so it's not a 911
[1:31:38] call, but if it gets if it's a non
[1:31:40] non-emergency call, it ends up on their
[1:31:41] CAD and an officer will get there, that
[1:31:44] becomes disruptive to the patterns of
[1:31:45] what those teenagers are doing. And
[1:31:47] eventually, they're like, "Let's get out
[1:31:48] of here. We're going to pace him."
[1:31:49] >> Yeah. Well, And it sounds
[1:31:50] [clears throat] like, and chief, you can
[1:31:52] correct me. Sorry. Got you. Sounds like
[1:31:53] it's not just teenagers, though. It
[1:31:56] sounds like they're
[1:32:00] » Yeah. 18 to
[1:32:04] >> Right.
[1:32:05] >> 18 to 25 roughly, right?
[1:32:07] >> Yeah.
[1:32:08] >> And and they're in the for the most
[1:32:10] part, they're just gathering. They
[1:32:13] listen to loud music.
[1:32:16] uh sometimes they're a little bit
[1:32:17] vandalous, if that's a word. Um and and
[1:32:20] that they they disrupt the park more so
[1:32:23] than than other things.
[1:32:25] >> Yeah. Talk to Taylor and Taylor says
[1:32:27] they're constantly clean garbage out of
[1:32:30] that parking lot.
[1:32:30] >> Yeah. But uh you know, you're probably
[1:32:33] not going to stop the behavior. Frankly,
[1:32:35] it might be just move it to some other
[1:32:37] town,
[1:32:37] >> which I am totally happy.
[1:32:39] >> Right. Take your turn. Sign up. Pac's
[1:32:43] got some beautiful parking lots.
[1:32:46] >> No lights.
[1:32:48] >> Anyways, that's it, mayor. Thank you.
[1:32:49] >> What's up with that?
[1:32:50] >> Thank you. [laughter]
[1:32:54] » This is what we do when you don't come.
[1:32:56] [laughter]
[1:32:58] >> Yeah.
[1:33:01] » Whatever.
[1:33:01] >> You're right.
[1:33:02] >> No, you're not. [laughter]
[1:33:05] » Okay. Next session of the agenda is
[1:33:07] Spanish Fork 101. Um we have uh some uh
[1:33:12] some survey uh information that uh same
[1:33:16] some some of the information we went
[1:33:18] over in the work session right Tara. So
[1:33:20] similar stuff here and uh we appreciate
[1:33:23] our guests here tonight and live pass it
[1:33:25] over to
[1:33:25] >> Tara
[1:33:28] historic preservation commission.
[1:33:30] There's four members from the staff that
[1:33:32] are on that and then there's four
[1:33:34] members of the community. And one of the
[1:33:36] goals of that commission was to do a
[1:33:38] reconnaissance level survey. That survey
[1:33:42] um was able to happen because we were
[1:33:44] able to receive a grant from the state
[1:33:47] historic preservation office. That's a
[1:33:49] matching grant and so Spanish Fork paid
[1:33:51] half of that grant and that has been
[1:33:53] completed. So we would love to invite uh
[1:33:56] Chalet Larson from IO landark and um she
[1:34:01] will give us those results and those
[1:34:02] things that the the reasons why the b
[1:34:05] the residents could benefit from it.
[1:34:09] >> Thank you Tara.
[1:34:11] >> Hi Shalai.
[1:34:12] >> Thank you Tara. It's good to see all of
[1:34:14] you again. Uh update on the husband
[1:34:16] child sports schedule. He failed to get
[1:34:18] the younger child to baseball practice
[1:34:20] [laughter]
[1:34:22] >> and now it's on the public record.
[1:34:23] but
[1:34:25] they canled it at the last minute, so he
[1:34:27] was saved.
[1:34:29] >> It worked out really well for him. Um
[1:34:31] anyway, uh yeah, so I uh my name is
[1:34:34] Chalet Larson. I'm the principal of IO
[1:34:37] Land Arc. We are a design, planning, and
[1:34:40] historic preservation consulting firm.
[1:34:42] Um and we are very passionate about what
[1:34:45] we do. We love to help communities tell
[1:34:48] their stories and preserve their unique
[1:34:50] cultural history and sense of identity
[1:34:52] and place. And Spanish Fork is amazing
[1:34:55] and honestly just sitting here through
[1:34:56] your city council meeting and just I
[1:34:59] feel the love you I want to move here.
[1:35:01] [laughter] It's amazing. Um but yeah,
[1:35:04] thank you. Thank you so much for the
[1:35:05] opportunity to do this. I just want to
[1:35:07] give you kind of a high level and for
[1:35:09] the community a high level overview of
[1:35:11] our findings and our recommendations. So
[1:35:14] um there's a clicker
[1:35:17] So the the agenda for this presentation
[1:35:20] um acknowledgements project summary and
[1:35:22] methodology statistical summary and
[1:35:24] analysis recommendations and then do we
[1:35:26] have time is this is a Q&A or do you
[1:35:29] >> well we already kind
[1:35:32] >> you are welcome to ask more questions if
[1:35:34] you have more additional follow-up
[1:35:35] questions. Um and uh this was again it
[1:35:39] was such a privilege to work on this
[1:35:41] project. Uh we we really enjoyed working
[1:35:44] with Spanish Fork City. Uh Tara and
[1:35:47] Tyler were both amazing to work with. Um
[1:35:51] thank you to the Historic Preservation
[1:35:52] Commission for all all the work that you
[1:35:54] do. And for the homeowners, um we didn't
[1:35:57] talk to a lot of homeowners. That wasn't
[1:35:58] necessarily part of our scope of work,
[1:35:59] but those who came out and talked to us
[1:36:01] while we were doing the survey, uh we
[1:36:03] really enjoyed chatting with th those people. So um and then also a
[1:36:08] recognition of our friends at the state
[1:36:09] historic preservation office. I'm not
[1:36:11] sure which screen to look at. Getting whiplash. Um so they they've
[1:36:16] been a a great resource through this
[1:36:19] process. Uh so the um the purpose of a
[1:36:25] reconnaissance level survey is to get a a highlevel overview of what are the
[1:36:30] historic resources in this community.
[1:36:32] And when we talk about history, you
[1:36:35] know, history is an abstraction for a
[1:36:37] lot of people. A lot of people don't
[1:36:39] think about history on a day-to-day
[1:36:40] basis. They don't think, you know, I
[1:36:42] mean, I know there are some people that
[1:36:43] are really into genealogy, but for the average community member, um,
[1:36:48] being able to connect with historic
[1:36:50] buildings and historic places is a very
[1:36:53] tactile physical way to to really
[1:36:56] connect with your own that that sense of
[1:36:58] place and community pride. And the the
[1:37:01] first, you know, the first step in
[1:37:03] preserving those that that physical
[1:37:07] uh that physical history of your
[1:37:10] community is to go to that high level
[1:37:12] and and evaluate, okay, what do we have?
[1:37:15] What's the condition of it? Um and and
[1:37:18] are we could we maybe create a historic
[1:37:21] district?
[1:37:23] Um, so the outcomes of this effort, um,
[1:37:27] we updated the state historic
[1:37:30] preservation office database. So we gave
[1:37:31] them GIS files that have all of the
[1:37:33] data, uh, that that we evaluated for the
[1:37:36] properties. Um, we we walked the
[1:37:39] community. We put in a lot of a a lot of
[1:37:42] miles um on foot. Uh, we stayed on the
[1:37:45] public sidewalk. We didn't go into
[1:37:46] people's properties and we just took
[1:37:48] photos of of all of the properties from
[1:37:51] the street and we evaluated them for um
[1:37:55] their plan type, the the architectural
[1:37:58] style and the integrity of of each
[1:38:01] property and whether it was contributing
[1:38:02] or non contributing to the historic
[1:38:05] district. Um and let's see. Um and then
[1:38:09] you know at the outcome of this process
[1:38:11] hopefully we'll provide information that
[1:38:13] would help facilitate the creation of
[1:38:15] historic districts in Spanish Fork.
[1:38:19] Um so just some quick terminology. Uh
[1:38:22] the way that we one of the ways that we
[1:38:25] identify and sort of um categorize
[1:38:28] historic structures is by their period
[1:38:31] of significance. What was happening
[1:38:33] culturally in terms of the broad layers
[1:38:35] and patterns of history? what was
[1:38:37] happening at the time that these
[1:38:39] buildings were originally constructed.
[1:38:42] And for the for this community, we
[1:38:46] identified the following periods of
[1:38:48] significance. I'm not going to go into
[1:38:49] these in a lot of detail. Uh but we have
[1:38:52] European settlement or the European
[1:38:54] settlement period. Um this is the the
[1:38:57] initial um the initial explorers that
[1:39:01] came to this valley um in 1776 through
[1:39:04] 1849. Then we have town expansion and
[1:39:08] early farmsteads. So this is really the
[1:39:10] pioneer uh era of settlement. And then
[1:39:13] modernization, consolidation and the
[1:39:15] warriors. So a lot of uh this period is
[1:39:18] commonly associated with Victorian
[1:39:20] homes. But there's a number of other
[1:39:22] styles in there as well. Um then we have
[1:39:25] the inter war growth and the bungalow
[1:39:27] era period from 1919 through 1944. So
[1:39:30] this is kind of the period between the
[1:39:32] two uh the two world wars. Um and then
[1:39:35] post-war expansion 1945 through 1959. Um
[1:39:40] and then the civic and cultural
[1:39:41] development period of 1960 through 1981
[1:39:46] and the modern era. Um which is
[1:39:48] basically everything that is ineligible.
[1:39:50] Um it's not old enough yet to be uh
[1:39:54] listed as part of a historic district.
[1:39:58] Uh so here are a couple of uh existing
[1:40:01] National Register of Historic Place
[1:40:03] listings that already exist in the
[1:40:05] survey area. The David H. Jones House
[1:40:07] and the Spanish Fork City Hall uh former
[1:40:11] Thurber School.
[1:40:14] Uh so as we were evaluating these
[1:40:16] properties, we evaluated approximately
[1:40:18] 600 uh properties. Um and the overall
[1:40:24] distribution of so basically we looked
[1:40:26] at every property and we said could this
[1:40:28] property if it first first off is it
[1:40:31] inside the period or is it outside the
[1:40:33] period? So if if it's in one of those
[1:40:35] periods of significance that we
[1:40:36] identified
[1:40:38] uh then is it does it maintain
[1:40:40] integrity? Um so does it represent uh
[1:40:44] the the original characteristics of that building when it was built
[1:40:49] originally? Um, some properties end up
[1:40:51] being ineligible because major changes
[1:40:54] have been made to them such as being
[1:40:56] resided with vinyl sighting or uh major
[1:40:59] additions being added or roof lines
[1:41:01] being changed. Basically, major changes
[1:41:03] to the building. So, approximately we're
[1:41:06] just over the 50% threshold. We have 275
[1:41:09] properties that we identified as
[1:41:11] eligible or contributing to a potential
[1:41:14] historic district and then 263 that we
[1:41:17] identified as in ineligible and
[1:41:20] non-contributing and 67 that were out of
[1:41:24] outside of the period. So
[1:41:28] um when we look at the construction
[1:41:31] dates by period of significance uh the
[1:41:34] vast majority of the buildings um were
[1:41:37] built during that inter war period of
[1:41:39] 1919 through 1944 followed by uh 139 143
[1:41:45] properties in the 1945 through 19559
[1:41:50] postworld war II period and then the
[1:41:53] late Victorian early 20th century.
[1:41:55] Um, the one thing that we noticed, and
[1:41:58] you'll see this in an upcoming map, is
[1:42:01] that in a lot of communities, you see
[1:42:02] very distinct growth rings with the
[1:42:04] oldest buildings being located more
[1:42:06] towards the the central area of
[1:42:09] settlement and then later buildings
[1:42:12] being added around the periphery. It was
[1:42:14] very interesting in Spanish Fork. Um, a
[1:42:17] lot of development that has occurred
[1:42:19] throughout all of these periods has been
[1:42:20] very intermixed. So what what we've seen
[1:42:23] is a pattern of redevelopment and infill
[1:42:26] rather than constantly pushing outward,
[1:42:29] which is which is kind of cool. Um
[1:42:32] because you you can you can have a lot
[1:42:34] of different architectural styles right
[1:42:36] next to each other. Um but it's also
[1:42:38] very challenging from uh establishing a
[1:42:41] clear district boundaries standpoint,
[1:42:43] which we'll talk about in a minute with
[1:42:44] our recommendations.
[1:42:47] Um, but one of the biggest takeaways
[1:42:50] from our survey is that taken together
[1:42:53] when we look at the the plan type and
[1:42:55] the architectural style, the data
[1:42:57] suggests that the survey area developed
[1:42:59] as a cohesive residential environment
[1:43:01] rooted in working and middle class
[1:43:03] occupancy particularly particularly
[1:43:06] during the inter war and postworld war
[1:43:08] II periods. Rather than being defined by
[1:43:11] a single architectural style or period
[1:43:13] of high style design, this area is
[1:43:15] characterized by the continuity of
[1:43:17] modest housing types across multiple
[1:43:19] decades. So, it's a very it's a very
[1:43:21] working-class family oriented community.
[1:43:26] Um, here are a couple of the maps that
[1:43:28] we generated. So, the map on the left,
[1:43:31] um, you uh, shows the eligible and the
[1:43:36] ineligible properties. Um, and you can
[1:43:40] see how really dispersed the eligible
[1:43:42] properties are throughout the study
[1:43:44] area. And then on the right, we we have
[1:43:48] Oh, I bumped it. Um, the periods of
[1:43:51] significance are identified by the the
[1:43:55] key the colors there indicated. And you
[1:43:57] can see on this map there's no clear
[1:44:00] pattern. They're very much all mixed
[1:44:01] together.
[1:44:04] Um so what is you know how what does
[1:44:08] this mean for the community? Um this
[1:44:12] means that the city has the potential to
[1:44:15] nominate uh parts of of this study area
[1:44:20] for national and potentially local
[1:44:22] historic districts. Um, the benefits of
[1:44:26] listing a property or a group of
[1:44:28] properties on the National Register of
[1:44:30] Historic Districts includes number one,
[1:44:33] first and foremost, recognition and
[1:44:35] neighborhood pride. You get a cool
[1:44:37] plaque, you get to brag to your your
[1:44:39] friends and neighbors, people who come
[1:44:40] to visit, you know, get to read. Um, I
[1:44:42] live in historic house and I have a cool
[1:44:44] plaque and strangers stop in my front
[1:44:46] yard all the time and read read my
[1:44:47] plaque. I love it every time. I it um
[1:44:51] it's it's it's such a great feeling. um
[1:44:53] but the the financial benefits. So there
[1:44:56] are um rehabilitation tax credits
[1:44:58] available to help offset the cost of re
[1:45:01] maintaining and restoring uh old old
[1:45:04] historic homes. Um there are also this
[1:45:07] you know doing this would potentially
[1:45:10] open up additional grants and loans
[1:45:13] available.
[1:45:14] Um there is um building code leniency
[1:45:18] with with regards to the IBC. Um there's
[1:45:21] potential local zoning variances for
[1:45:23] conditional uses, like if someone wanted
[1:45:25] to to turn a house into a bed and
[1:45:26] breakfast. Um things like that. Uh and
[1:45:30] then and then there's a whole wealth of
[1:45:31] information for historic property owners
[1:45:33] about uh rehabilitation advice and best
[1:45:36] practices. Um the important thing to
[1:45:40] differentiate is that if you do a
[1:45:43] national register uh listing, there are
[1:45:47] no restrictions. There are no outright
[1:45:49] restrictions associated with that.
[1:45:51] There's no board or commission that you
[1:45:53] have to go to if you want to do
[1:45:55] something to your property, if you want
[1:45:57] to repaint it or if you want to replace
[1:46:00] windows or if you want to to do
[1:46:02] something with the exterior. Um however,
[1:46:05] if the city did decide to move forward
[1:46:07] with a local historic district and
[1:46:09] establish um design standards that would
[1:46:13] then be codified, uh then there would be
[1:46:16] some kind of board or review process
[1:46:18] that property owners would need to go
[1:46:20] through in order to make changes to
[1:46:22] their historic structures.
[1:46:26] Um so I mentioned the historic
[1:46:28] preservation tax credits. Uh the there's
[1:46:31] two different ones. There's a local and
[1:46:33] a federal. So the local is through the
[1:46:36] state of Utah. It's 20% of all of your
[1:46:40] eligible uh building rehabilitation
[1:46:43] costs uh that in the form of a tax
[1:46:45] credit. Um and these apply to
[1:46:48] residential property. So either owner
[1:46:50] occupied or residential rentals.
[1:46:53] There's also a 20% federal tax credit
[1:46:57] that is available for income producing
[1:47:00] properties. So, if you have a a rental a
[1:47:04] residential rental property, you can you
[1:47:08] can receive both tax credits. So, you
[1:47:10] can um you can receive a tax credit for
[1:47:12] potentially up to 40% of your eligible
[1:47:15] rehabilitation costs.
[1:47:19] Um so, the next steps like I said this
[1:47:21] was this was the first step and congrat
[1:47:24] congratulations for achieving that
[1:47:26] milestone. Um, we are we have a number
[1:47:29] of recommendations that I the next
[1:47:32] slides will kind of go into more detail
[1:47:35] on, but the first and foremost is that
[1:47:37] we're recommending a um nominating the a
[1:47:42] main street district to the National
[1:47:44] Register of Historic Places. And we feel
[1:47:48] like this would go a long ways towards
[1:47:50] um incentivizing and supporting those
[1:47:53] business owners and property owners
[1:47:55] along Main Street and really creating a
[1:47:57] vibrant Main Street and community core
[1:47:59] and potentially boosting things like
[1:48:02] heritage tourism and sense of community
[1:48:05] pride in place.
[1:48:07] Um the next step would be some kind of
[1:48:10] multiple uh property submission. So
[1:48:13] rather than a physical district
[1:48:14] boundary, we would we would take um
[1:48:17] thematic listings uh based on those
[1:48:20] different architectural styles or
[1:48:22] periods of significance that we
[1:48:24] identified and we would we would do a
[1:48:26] listing or multiple listings potentially
[1:48:29] based on type. So this approach
[1:48:32] establishes shared historic context and
[1:48:34] eligibility criteria allowing the
[1:48:35] nomination of small of individual
[1:48:38] properties.
[1:48:41] Um, and then there's also at an even
[1:48:45] smaller scale, we identify 12 individual
[1:48:48] properties that we think it's it's worth
[1:48:51] pursuing individual listings on. And
[1:48:54] honestly, there there's even there's
[1:48:56] more than that. I think there's so many
[1:48:57] great buildings in here, but these are
[1:48:59] these were 12 that really jumped out uh
[1:49:02] to us. Um, and and any homeowner at any
[1:49:04] time can individually pursue a National
[1:49:07] Register nomination on their own. Um, so
[1:49:11] it doesn't that doesn't mean the city
[1:49:12] has to do it, but but if you know if you chose to not pursue the other two
[1:49:18] options, we would at least recommend
[1:49:20] that you move forward with these um
[1:49:22] intensive level surveys and individual
[1:49:25] na national register nominations just to
[1:49:27] get more buildings placed on the
[1:49:29] national register at the local level.
[1:49:34] Um, and then this is an ongoing process.
[1:49:37] So buildings change over time. We have
[1:49:40] you know deterioration, we have
[1:49:41] remodels, changes happening,
[1:49:43] redevelopment happening constantly. So
[1:49:46] it's very important that a survey like
[1:49:48] this now you have the foundational data.
[1:49:50] So every 10 to 15 years having a a
[1:49:52] consultant come through and reservey the
[1:49:55] property and make the appropriate
[1:49:57] adjustments is recommended.
[1:50:02] Um and then
[1:50:05] uh maintaining survey data and
[1:50:07] preservation planning recommendations.
[1:50:10] Um so we're also recommending that the
[1:50:12] city move forward with creating some
[1:50:15] kind of broader community preservation
[1:50:17] plan. Um, and this would allow you to
[1:50:20] codify how, well, first off, this would
[1:50:23] allow you to really engage the community
[1:50:26] and see where the community is at and
[1:50:28] how they're feeling about their
[1:50:31] architectural history uh, in the
[1:50:33] community and and what types of
[1:50:36] strategies they would like to implement
[1:50:38] or see implemented and what kind of
[1:50:40] tools uh, that that you can then codify
[1:50:44] to help preserve this history before
[1:50:47] it's gone. because once it's once it's
[1:50:48] gone, it's gone forever. Um, so this
[1:50:51] would allow you to establish clear
[1:50:53] policies for identification, evalu
[1:50:55] evaluation, and protection of historic
[1:50:57] resources. Um, if you established local
[1:51:01] historic districts, you could create
[1:51:02] design guidelines for rehabilitation,
[1:51:05] additions, and things like new infill
[1:51:07] construction within historic areas that
[1:51:10] are aligned with the Secretary of the
[1:51:11] Interior standards for the treatment of
[1:51:13] historic properties. Um, this would give
[1:51:16] you an opportunity to look at strategies
[1:51:17] for managing change, including
[1:51:19] compatible infill and adaptive reuse.
[1:51:22] Um, and I potentially identify priority
[1:51:25] resources or at risk areas. Um, and it's
[1:51:29] integration of preservation goals into
[1:51:32] broader planning and zoning frameworks
[1:51:34] because everything that you do needs to
[1:51:35] come back to your general plan and and
[1:51:38] all and and your zoning ordinance. So
[1:51:43] um and best practices in preservation
[1:51:46] planning emphasize flexibility and
[1:51:47] incentives over regulation alone. So
[1:51:50] it's it's it's a layered approach. Um
[1:51:53] obviously having if you do choose to
[1:51:56] pursue um local codification of historic
[1:52:02] resources
[1:52:04] um then you know then you can have that
[1:52:07] tool in your your tool belt. that
[1:52:09] shouldn't preclude
[1:52:12] good public education, good community
[1:52:14] outreach, um and and and trying to uh
[1:52:19] prioritize incentives over um over heavy
[1:52:24] regulation, I should say. Um and and a
[1:52:27] lot of that can come from the financial
[1:52:29] incentives that I mentioned earlier.
[1:52:34] So that is where we're at. Any
[1:52:37] questions?
[1:52:39] Lelay, I've got one question, I guess.
[1:52:40] If we've got a homeowner that has a
[1:52:42] rental that's outside of the survey area
[1:52:46] that wants to try and rehabilitate their
[1:52:49] home in in a way to take advantage of
[1:52:51] the tax credits, are they able to even
[1:52:53] though they're not part of the survey
[1:52:55] area?
[1:52:55] >> Um, they would. So,
[1:52:59] in unless you move forward with a group
[1:53:03] listing of some sort, a na a historic
[1:53:05] district designation, no one is
[1:53:08] technically.
[1:53:08] >> Okay.
[1:53:09] >> Um but if you do move forward with a
[1:53:11] national historic district designation,
[1:53:13] then it would only include whatever
[1:53:15] properties you decide to draw into that
[1:53:16] boundary. Um if they are outside of the
[1:53:20] boundary area, um it depends on how far
[1:53:24] outside the boundary area they are. like
[1:53:27] I I don't see why they couldn't
[1:53:30] potentially be included in um one of
[1:53:33] those thematic nominations that we
[1:53:36] talked about. Um but but typically you
[1:53:39] would just work off of what's already been done. Um so the the
[1:53:45] foundation of the properties that have
[1:53:47] been surveyed because that initial
[1:53:48] step's been done. However, anyone
[1:53:50] anywhere in the state of Utah, anywhere
[1:53:52] in the United States, can list
[1:53:54] individually list their property on the
[1:53:56] National Register of Historic Places.
[1:53:58] So, if that's something that a property
[1:54:00] owner is interested in, uh, I would
[1:54:03] highly encourage that. Um, and it's the
[1:54:06] State Historic Preservation Office is a
[1:54:08] great resource. You can hire a
[1:54:09] consultant to do that for you or you can
[1:54:12] do the research on your own and fill out
[1:54:14] the form and submit the nomination. Um,
[1:54:16] lots lots of homeowners have diyed, you
[1:54:18] know, done their done their own
[1:54:20] nominations, so it's it's not
[1:54:22] impossible. Um, but yeah, that that
[1:54:24] would be the rout route I would
[1:54:26] recommend.
[1:54:27] >> Thank you.
[1:54:29] [snorts]
[1:54:31] » Any other questions for Chalet?
[1:54:36] » Blacks are pretty cool.
[1:54:38] Like what you said, people knocking on
[1:54:40] your door saying that's pretty cool.
[1:54:42] >> Yeah. No. Well, so far not very many
[1:54:44] people have knocked, but I see them
[1:54:47] camera.
[1:54:47] >> Yeah, I just look out my front windows
[1:54:49] and Yeah.
[1:54:49] >> And people think I'm weird because I
[1:54:51] have no curtains on my [laughter]
[1:54:53] on my living spaces in my house. But no,
[1:54:55] it's it's great. We And the people walk
[1:54:58] up and down the street all the time
[1:54:59] because all the houses on my street have
[1:55:00] plaques.
[1:55:02] >> It's really fun.
[1:55:03] >> Cool.
[1:55:05] >> Thank you for that information. I
[1:55:07] appreciate it. And uh Tara, watch for more coming. We had a little
[1:55:12] bit in this in the work session of a
[1:55:15] discussion of this too. So uh stay
[1:55:17] tuned. Spanish Fork, we'll have some
[1:55:18] more discussion on this in the future.
[1:55:20] We appreciate you coming down and and
[1:55:22] visiting us. Thanks. Thanks for making
[1:55:24] the trip. Chalet.
[1:55:25] >> Mayor, we will also be putting this on
[1:55:28] the website so that everybody can see
[1:55:30] it.
[1:55:31] >> Perfect. We'll be connected. I'll bet
[1:55:33] Jack's already got some little video
[1:55:36] stewing in his
[1:55:38] creative.
[1:55:39] >> Creative fire brain over there. Okay.
[1:55:44] Takes us to the eighth uh part of our
[1:55:47] agenda, the consent items. There's one,
[1:55:50] two, three, four, five items on the
[1:55:54] consent agenda. If there's no questions
[1:55:57] for the consent items, I'd entertain a
[1:55:58] motion approving the consent items.
[1:56:02] >> So moved.
[1:56:03] >> Motion made by Councilwoman Beck.
[1:56:05] >> Second. Second by Councilman Tuk. All in
[1:56:09] favor say yes.
[1:56:10] >> Yes.
[1:56:10] >> Consent items are approved. Takes us to
[1:56:13] new business. Ordinance to create a
[1:56:15] provisional business license. Mr. David
[1:56:18] G. Anderson. Mr. Mayor. Thank you. In
[1:56:20] July, we discussed with the council the
[1:56:22] need to sanction
[1:56:24] business activity in situations where
[1:56:26] businesses are not yet eligible to
[1:56:28] receive business licenses. Uh this
[1:56:31] provisional business license is the idea
[1:56:33] that came out of that discussion.
[1:56:36] And there's been a slight modification
[1:56:38] to draft language that we talked about
[1:56:40] that night um again back in July uh
[1:56:43] where we've added um in addition to some
[1:56:46] really simple criteria that would have
[1:56:48] to be met for a business to be eligible
[1:56:49] for a provisional business license a
[1:56:52] lifespan for the license with the draft
[1:56:55] that is prepared here. I appreciate Mr.
[1:56:58] Urkart putting it up there. just the
[1:57:00] language there under 54170.
[1:57:03] That's really all that it is that would
[1:57:04] be added to title five of the municipal
[1:57:06] code. Um
[1:57:09] I've inserted 30 days again as the
[1:57:12] lifespan for a provisional business
[1:57:14] license for the particular issue that um
[1:57:18] we've been dealing with recently
[1:57:21] um that we'd like to address with this
[1:57:23] 30 days I think is an adequate amount of
[1:57:24] time. Mr. parents and I discussed on
[1:57:27] Monday the value potentially of maybe
[1:57:31] having it to be 60 days instead of 30.
[1:57:33] Um there are some other situations where
[1:57:35] we can envision this being a useful tool
[1:57:37] where it might be helpful to to have
[1:57:39] this this license last for more than 30
[1:57:41] days. Um but uh we're here tonight to
[1:57:44] recommend that this be adopted, you
[1:57:47] know, maybe with the council considering
[1:57:49] that 30 or up to 60 days as being um
[1:57:56] uh whatever you think is most
[1:57:57] appropriate. Again, I think 30 days
[1:57:58] probably is good. 60 days um obviously
[1:58:01] that allows for a little bit more
[1:58:02] flexibility, but we appreciate the
[1:58:04] opportunity to have something like this
[1:58:05] to put into play just to make it easier
[1:58:08] for new businesses to get up and
[1:58:09] running. Um, that's really what this is
[1:58:12] about.
[1:58:16] » Questions for Dave about this?
[1:58:17] >> How long did it take? Was it 10 days for
[1:58:18] that company to get their provisional?
[1:58:21] >> We just know that it was less than 30.
[1:58:22] We couldn't nail down their exact date
[1:58:24] when they made application. So,
[1:58:28] I don't find it a good argument to be down to 30 if if we think 60 gives
[1:58:35] us enough wiggle room. I think uh if
[1:58:38] we're talking to businesses and trying
[1:58:39] to get going
[1:58:41] >> it's
[1:58:42] >> not anything we can't change later if we
[1:58:43] need to.
[1:58:44] >> If it's 30 days we can they can extend,
[1:58:46] right? They can do another one.
[1:58:47] >> There's nothing here that says they
[1:58:48] can't. So that I thought about that as
[1:58:50] well.
[1:58:50] >> So yeah, I think we're good.
[1:58:58] » Okay. If there's no other questions uh
[1:59:00] for Dave, I'd entertain a motion. I move
[1:59:03] to approve the proposed ordinance to
[1:59:04] create provisional business licenses.
[1:59:07] >> Motion made by Councilman Carden.
[1:59:10] >> Second.
[1:59:10] by Councilman Marshall. A roll
[1:59:12] call vote. Councilman Tuk.
[1:59:14] >> Yes.
[1:59:14] >> Councilman Carden.
[1:59:15] >> Yes.
[1:59:15] >> Councilman Oiler?
[1:59:16] >> Yes.
[1:59:16] >> Councilwoman Beck?
[1:59:17] >> Yes. And
[1:59:18] >> Councilman Marshall?
[1:59:18] >> Yes.
[1:59:20] >> 9.1's approved. Takes us to 9.2 personal
[1:59:24] personnel policy definitions
[1:59:26] update.
[1:59:28] >> Mr. Jacobson. No middle name. Tyler
[1:59:32] >> P.
[1:59:36] » Thanks, guys. Uh,
[1:59:39] >> we we're gonna go back in time just a
[1:59:41] little bit for this one. So, just across
[1:59:42] the hall in the heritage room, the
[1:59:44] library actually has a program where
[1:59:45] they have a time machine. So, we're
[1:59:47] going back about 12 years ago, the
[1:59:50] Affordable Care Act uh became uh it it
[1:59:54] became enacted and we uh had to make
[1:59:58] sure to follow that at the city. So, we
[2:00:00] changed our policy. Um and one of those
[2:00:02] changes was that the Affordable Care Act
[2:00:05] required for all employees that were not
[2:00:08] benefited. Um in order to work
[2:00:12] part-time, they had to work um less than
[2:00:15] 130 hours in a month. So they call that
[2:00:18] the look back period. You can choose a
[2:00:19] look back period of a month or a year.
[2:00:22] Um and at the time we chose uh chose to
[2:00:26] go with a month. Over the last 12 years,
[2:00:29] there have been some changes and uh to
[2:00:33] make it a little bit more flexible for
[2:00:36] our part-time employees to work, we need
[2:00:39] to change the language in um in our
[2:00:41] current personnel policy. So, what's
[2:00:43] before you is a is a proposition that
[2:00:45] would make it possible to do a look back
[2:00:48] of a full year or uh or 1560 hours. So
[2:00:53] we would ensure that employees would
[2:00:54] work less than560
[2:00:57] hours in a year. And what this does is
[2:01:00] um so for example, if you have an
[2:01:02] employee who works quite a bit in the
[2:01:03] summertime, but then in the winter um
[2:01:06] not not as many hours in a week, it
[2:01:08] makes it possible for them to work uh
[2:01:11] more in the summer when it's needed than
[2:01:14] uh later on in the year when um when
[2:01:17] there may not be as much work for that
[2:01:19] uh employee to do. So, the proposal
[2:01:21] that's before you, the language that has
[2:01:23] changed is the definition for a
[2:01:25] part-time employee. So, we'd be getting
[2:01:27] rid of um three definitions. We'd
[2:01:29] replace, sorry, let me rephrase that.
[2:01:31] We'd replace the part-time employee
[2:01:33] definition. We would get rid of the the
[2:01:36] seasonal employee and the variable
[2:01:38] employee definition, and we would have
[2:01:40] one category called part-time employee.
[2:01:42] Um, this will make it easier to
[2:01:45] administer the Affordable Care Act and hopefully make it easier for our
[2:01:50] employees, our supervisors to schedule
[2:01:52] employees. Um, one of the questions you
[2:01:54] may have is does this have a fiscal
[2:01:56] impact? Um, employees would still have
[2:01:59] to work within the budget that they've
[2:02:01] been given. Um, so we don't anticipate
[2:02:04] that. There certainly could be some uh
[2:02:07] requests in the future where supervisors
[2:02:10] ask if they can have their employees
[2:02:11] work more hours, but as of right now,
[2:02:13] they would have to work
[2:02:15] that time that's budgeted.
[2:02:18] Any questions though on on this?
[2:02:24] >> Questions for Tyler?
[2:02:27] >> Okay, Tyler.
[2:02:27] >> Thanks. Appreciate that. Good update. I
[2:02:31] would entertain a motion to approve uh
[2:02:34] item 9.3.
[2:02:36] >> I move to approve the personnel policy
[2:02:38] definitions.
[2:02:39] >> Motion made by Councilman Oiler.
[2:02:43] >> Second.
[2:02:44] by Councilwoman Beck. A roll call
[2:02:46] vote here. Councilman Marshall. Yes.
[2:02:48] >> Councilwoman Beck. Councilman Oiler.
[2:02:50] >> Yes.
[2:02:50] >> Councilman Carden?
[2:02:51] >> Yes.
[2:02:51] >> And Councilman Tuk?
[2:02:52] >> Yes.
[2:02:54] >> That is approved. Uh takes us to 10.
[2:02:58] discussion tonight before we adjourn to
[2:03:02] closed
[2:03:02] >> meeting
[2:03:06] bottom there.
[2:03:07] >> Excuse me. [snorts] Yeah, I marked it.
[2:03:11] >> Okay.
[2:03:12] 9.3 is board and commission
[2:03:14] appointments. Uh David, is that
[2:03:16] something you want to mention? And then
[2:03:19] I can
[2:03:22] politic it if I need to. I mean, some of
[2:03:24] these people might be on the fence.
[2:03:27] Well, um, yeah, I appreciate that this,
[2:03:30] uh, Mr. Mayor, I mean, having talked
[2:03:32] about it with you a few times now, I
[2:03:34] think this is one of the
[2:03:35] responsibilities that the mayor has that
[2:03:37] you take pretty seriously, and I I
[2:03:39] appreciate the thought that's gone into
[2:03:41] recent planning commission appointees.
[2:03:44] Um, and Megan Johnson
[2:03:48] and Darren Miller being the two
[2:03:50] candidates, uh, to replace Todd Mitchell
[2:03:53] and Shauna Warick. I had an opportunity
[2:03:55] yesterday to meet with Darren and to go
[2:03:57] over some of the just fundamental duties
[2:03:59] of planning commissioners and that sort
[2:04:00] of a thing. Not to jump the gun, but
[2:04:03] look forward to meeting with Megan next
[2:04:04] week to do the same thing. And couldn't
[2:04:07] be more excited. I meant what I said
[2:04:09] about being sad about saying Shauna
[2:04:11] stepped down. I really need to take a
[2:04:14] minute to say the same thing about Todd.
[2:04:17] He works off and out of town. That's the
[2:04:20] case tonight. So, he couldn't be here.
[2:04:22] Um, otherwise I think he would have been
[2:04:25] and I can't say enough good things about
[2:04:27] Todd. Um,
[2:04:30] I'll go ahead and mention this. I I
[2:04:33] wasn't sure after his first three-year
[2:04:35] term that he wanted to serve another
[2:04:39] three-year [snorts] term. Uh, was really
[2:04:41] happy that he accepted, you know, that
[2:04:44] uh that opportunity. and he has been the
[2:04:48] chairman of the planning commission now
[2:04:50] for three years which is a really really
[2:04:52] long run actually has served for seven
[2:04:55] um also a really long run and he's been
[2:04:59] a rock uh with Todd I think you know
[2:05:02] what he's thinking I think you know why
[2:05:04] he's thinking it and um he's very
[2:05:07] pragmatic and practical just wants
[2:05:09] things this is my my view of Todd and
[2:05:13] what he's brought to discussions and his
[2:05:15] service for the city very pragmatic,
[2:05:19] wants to make sure that things work,
[2:05:22] that details are covered and that sort
[2:05:24] of a thing. And at the same time, I
[2:05:27] think you know how far he's willing to
[2:05:29] bend on something that he cares about
[2:05:31] and he's stuck to his his ideals and
[2:05:34] what he's felt has been best for the
[2:05:36] city. Um and I think uh sometimes you
[2:05:40] get a chance to see maybe how people um
[2:05:44] uh develop new skill sets through
[2:05:47] service on like a planning commission
[2:05:49] and uh he became very very capable of
[2:05:53] running discussions really really well
[2:05:56] and of course that that's great on
[2:05:59] nights when you have a full agenda and a
[2:06:02] lot of different people to hear from and
[2:06:03] that sort of thing. So, like Shauna,
[2:06:05] he's certainly going to be missed. Um,
[2:06:09] thanks for the liberty to to mention
[2:06:11] that about Todd. Um, that's certainly
[2:06:13] genuinely how I feel. And, uh, again,
[2:06:16] Darren Miller, who we plan to have start
[2:06:20] serving tomorrow night. Uh, and then
[2:06:24] Megan Johnson, who's looking forward to starting to take Shauna's place then
[2:06:28] in September. Couldn't be more excited
[2:06:30] to have them on board.
[2:06:32] >> Perfect. Any questions about those fine
[2:06:35] folks that Dave's mentioned?
[2:06:37] >> No, they'll be great.
[2:06:39] >> I think I just want to add like we
[2:06:40] really listen to them and appreciate the
[2:06:43] time [clears throat] and energy they all
[2:06:44] put in. Like that's a lot that's a lot
[2:06:46] of years. I mean, how many of you have
[2:06:49] served as commissioners? Three.
[2:06:51] >> Three of you. And it's it's a lot of
[2:06:53] work. We listen and we trust and respect
[2:06:56] what you guys have to say. We may not
[2:06:58] always
[2:06:59] >> agree at the end, but it doesn't mean we
[2:07:01] didn't listen. we may have got more
[2:07:03] information by the time we have it on
[2:07:06] our agenda and and just make a different
[2:07:09] decision, but I think that's just the
[2:07:11] process of it. So, to all of our
[2:07:13] commissioners, thank you.
[2:07:16] >> Very well said. I hope Todd can make it
[2:07:18] to a future council meeting so we can
[2:07:20] have him stand up here and talk like we
[2:07:22] did Shauna. He's been a great asset to
[2:07:24] it to the city. Um, and uh, and yeah, I
[2:07:29] hope Megan and Darren weren't listening
[2:07:31] to the parts where we where we told
[2:07:33] Shauna she got thick skin and she
[2:07:35] admitted it, but that's what they're
[2:07:37] about to step into. Uh, but both uh,
[2:07:40] [clears throat]
[2:07:42] shameless plug for Jack's um,
[2:07:46] Spanish University 101 coming up and
[2:07:49] those uh, are open now or coming up.
[2:07:52] Open, Jack.
[2:07:53] >> Yeah, application closes on Friday at
[2:07:55] noon. So this week
[2:07:57] >> uh you can apply I know who were asking
[2:08:00] here to serve on the planning commission
[2:08:03] have been Spanishfor university students
[2:08:05] and um learned that much more about
[2:08:07] their city. So there's your plug. Um one
[2:08:11] way or the other join Spanish university
[2:08:14] you might get asked to serve on other
[2:08:16] stuff. Uh but you will you will learn
[2:08:18] about your city too. So, uh, those are
[2:08:20] my appointments that I'd like to present
[2:08:23] in front of the council to serve those
[2:08:24] vacancies.
[2:08:26] >> There's a reappoint on there for airport
[2:08:27] board member as well,
[2:08:29] >> which you and Stacy are currently on the
[2:08:31] airport board.
[2:08:32] >> The airport board commissioner, too. He
[2:08:34] does a great job.
[2:08:37] >> Yeah, it's great.
[2:08:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Matt Taylor, right?
[2:08:40] >> Yep.
[2:08:40] >> Um, Matt Taylor has uh agreed to serve
[2:08:44] on our on our airport board again and uh
[2:08:47] we're grateful for him. He's a good good
[2:08:48] pilot and uh and a good good asset on
[2:08:52] that board.
[2:08:52] >> Great.
[2:08:53] >> So, uh there you go. Megan Johnson,
[2:08:55] Darren Miller to the planning commission
[2:08:57] and reappoint Matt Taylor to the airport
[2:08:59] board. Uh if somebody would like to make
[2:09:01] that motion and vote on it, we can do
[2:09:03] that.
[2:09:08] » I move to appoint Megan Johnson and uh
[2:09:10] Darren Miller to the planning commission
[2:09:12] and reappoint of Matt Taylor to the
[2:09:15] airport board. Second.
[2:09:18] >> Motion made by Councilman Tuk, second by
[2:09:20] Councilman Marshall. Says we can do this
[2:09:21] in all in favor. All in favor say yes.
[2:09:24] >> Yes.
[2:09:26] >> Those are approved. Okay.
[2:09:30] Now, we're at our discussion uh on the
[2:09:32] agenda before we go into close session.
[2:09:35] Uh
[2:09:36] David, would are you taking this one,
[2:09:38] too?
[2:09:41] >> Again. Thank you, Mayor. Yes. I'm going
[2:09:42] to start and pretty quickly turn things
[2:09:44] off to Mr. Pierce before then we turn
[2:09:47] things off to Jeff Chavez and maybe his
[2:09:51] team at Valition. Um we appreciate them
[2:09:53] being here tonight. Um just to to maybe
[2:09:57] broadly set the stage for what we're
[2:09:59] discussing here. for the past couple of
[2:10:01] years, I feel like particularly for the
[2:10:03] past couple of years, um, as city staff,
[2:10:07] kind of being sometimes the first people
[2:10:09] that are contacted with the city about
[2:10:11] different development opportunities and
[2:10:13] that sort of a thing.
[2:10:16] More and more frequently, we've been
[2:10:17] approached by companies that are looking
[2:10:20] to use a lot of power, um, lots of
[2:10:24] different types of companies. There's a
[2:10:26] food food manufacturer three or four
[2:10:28] years ago that would have been the
[2:10:32] city's largest power user if they had
[2:10:34] landed in the community. Um, more
[2:10:37] recently, there's a company that
[2:10:39] manufactures synthetic graphite that
[2:10:41] would have really set the bar in terms
[2:10:44] of using a lot of power. maybe set the
[2:10:47] bar differently, but um it worked with
[2:10:52] very well-known company here a few years
[2:10:55] ago. I realize now as I describe this,
[2:10:57] these are all companies that ultimately
[2:10:58] didn't land in Spanish Fort, but they forced us to think about how we'd
[2:11:03] provide power to them. There's a company
[2:11:05] that's going to build uh a multi-million
[2:11:07] square foot uh warehouse and
[2:11:10] distribution facility that would have
[2:11:11] been almost 100% automated and again
[2:11:14] really really big power user. Tonight
[2:11:15] we'll talk about data centers as just
[2:11:17] another um particular type of of land
[2:11:20] use that uses a lot of power. Um but
[2:11:24] we've started to look at uh issues
[2:11:26] related to how uh Spanish Fork City and
[2:11:30] maybe even UMPA would serve uh certain
[2:11:32] types of customers. uh with that here
[2:11:35] earlier this year we started to have
[2:11:37] some of us and council member Tuk has
[2:11:39] been a great member of kind of an ad hoc
[2:11:41] committee that we formed with staff and
[2:11:43] people from PA to investigate different
[2:11:46] options um opportunities hurdles
[2:11:48] challenges things related to serving
[2:11:52] customers that would need more power
[2:11:54] than uh what we've dealt with in the
[2:11:56] past in Spanish Fork today hedro is the
[2:12:00] city's largest power user um I think Um
[2:12:04] to provide a little bit of context, when
[2:12:06] we're maxed out with our power use as a
[2:12:09] whole city, I think we're at about 90
[2:12:11] megawws now.
[2:12:14] >> Wow. Okay. So, yeah, this right now is
[2:12:18] the time of year when collectively the
[2:12:22] most power is being used. Hedro uses, I
[2:12:24] want to say maybe four megawws. And
[2:12:26] we've talked with some companies, for
[2:12:29] example, the graphite manufacturer, they
[2:12:31] wanted to use 20. So we go from having
[2:12:34] our largest power user potentially being
[2:12:36] four up to five times that. And those
[2:12:39] things, they they can impact our system
[2:12:42] in various ways. um uh for companies
[2:12:44] that are connected to Spanish Fork City
[2:12:47] Power, we've been looking at again how
[2:12:49] to how to appropriately plan for and to
[2:12:53] serve pot companies like that. Um and uh
[2:12:58] through kind of the same period of time,
[2:12:59] we've started to look at some other
[2:13:00] options. Um, we've visited a company in
[2:13:05] California that manufactures equipment
[2:13:08] that allows for power to be generated on
[2:13:11] site and potentially [snorts] even for
[2:13:13] customers not to tie into or companies
[2:13:15] not to tie into the grid. We'll talk
[2:13:17] more about that later tonight. Um, uh,
[2:13:20] that happened
[2:13:22] just a few months ago. We've had some
[2:13:24] conversations with the city council
[2:13:25] after that. And um I think this
[2:13:29] discussion right now is particularly
[2:13:31] timely because after having again
[2:13:33] discussed this for quite some time,
[2:13:35] looked at a lot of different scenarios
[2:13:36] and options, uh there is a text
[2:13:38] amendment that's will be considered
[2:13:40] tomorrow night by the planning
[2:13:42] commission where they'll have the
[2:13:43] opportunity at least to make a
[2:13:44] recommendation on some changes to our
[2:13:46] zoning code to allow for some land uses
[2:13:49] that had never before really been
[2:13:51] contemplated in Spanish Fork. Um again,
[2:13:54] we'll talk at least briefly about that
[2:13:56] tonight. and you likely will see that on
[2:13:59] a future agenda. So again, just kind of
[2:14:01] high level. That's my longer than I
[2:14:04] thought it'd be introduction, but I'll
[2:14:06] let you take it from there, Corey,
[2:14:07] unless you have any questions for me.
[2:14:09] >> Questions for Dave before Corey?
[2:14:12] >> Thanks, Dave.
[2:14:15] >> Um, I'll just take a minute and talk
[2:14:17] about a few of the things we've been
[2:14:19] trying to research, address, um, as
[2:14:22] we've met as a large load committee. Um,
[2:14:26] one of the things we're working towards
[2:14:28] is a policy to address a lot of the
[2:14:30] questions. I think we heard in the the
[2:14:32] public comments concerns that are
[2:14:34] environmental, and I appreciate those.
[2:14:36] Um, we've been looking at that um, in a
[2:14:39] lot of different ways. But here's some
[2:14:41] of the goals of a policy we're putting
[2:14:43] together. This is kind of to give the
[2:14:46] direction we're thinking and also are we
[2:14:49] missing things that the council would
[2:14:50] like us to talk about research
[2:14:53] um and dig deeper on to to work into
[2:14:56] this policy. So on a on a broad high
[2:14:58] level we're looking at uh protecting the
[2:15:01] existing customers and the city
[2:15:03] infrastructure. Um, as these large loads
[2:15:05] come in, there's often a lot of in
[2:15:07] infrastructure costs and other things
[2:15:09] that get put there. And we want to make
[2:15:11] sure um that our system is taken care of
[2:15:14] and that those users are paying their
[2:15:17] way and it's not supplemented by other
[2:15:19] users. Um, UNMPA is the organization
[2:15:23] that uh provides our power generation.
[2:15:26] They have some requirements and bond
[2:15:28] covenants and other agreements in place
[2:15:30] that we need to research as as large companies or large power users
[2:15:36] come in to make sure that we're meeting
[2:15:38] all those requirements as well as some
[2:15:40] of the regional regulations.
[2:15:43] Um cost recovery. We want to ensure uh
[2:15:47] again that growth pays for growth, that
[2:15:49] that's not a burden that existing
[2:15:51] residents or you
[2:15:55] need to supplement. Um environmental
[2:15:58] sustainability um as we look at the
[2:16:00] general plan, air quality, water
[2:16:03] quality, all the things that we hear, uh
[2:16:06] noise mitigation, emission controls,
[2:16:08] heat as was mentioned tonight, and many
[2:16:11] other things. We want to make sure we
[2:16:13] understand uh the impacts there. Um as
[2:16:16] well as what's the economic benefit to the city. Is there you know great job
[2:16:23] growth uh high value jobs, capital
[2:16:25] investment? What are the ways that the
[2:16:27] city benefits as these large users come
[2:16:29] in?
[2:16:31] This maybe gives a preview or a little
[2:16:33] thought of how we would break down
[2:16:36] uh users that come in. Um users that are
[2:16:41] under 1.5 megawws would just kind of go
[2:16:44] through the normal process, our our
[2:16:46] zoning regulations and ordinances. Um
[2:16:50] we've kind of divi defined large users
[2:16:53] as those above 1.5 megawws. Um and if
[2:16:57] they're above 1.5, uh there would be
[2:17:00] some things written into the policy
[2:17:02] we're preparing as well as oversight to
[2:17:06] make sure we're doing things right. And
[2:17:08] as it that gets larger, often we have to
[2:17:11] get Pacific Corp involved in doing a
[2:17:14] system impact analysis.
[2:17:17] And then as we get larger, you'll see
[2:17:19] there as we get into data center talk
[2:17:21] and other large users, we're talking 50
[2:17:24] megawws and sometimes well beyond that.
[2:17:27] That's again that Dave mentioned, we're
[2:17:31] 90 95 megawws as a city. It's it's hard
[2:17:34] to contemplate um the amount of energy
[2:17:36] that it takes to do this. Um so there's
[2:17:39] a there's a lot more regulation and
[2:17:41] studies that need to go in loads that
[2:17:44] large. How can uh Pacific Corp or Rocky
[2:17:48] Mountain Power bring that power in? And
[2:17:50] then uh it run through UNMPA to us. Uh
[2:17:56] and then also how do we work with
[2:17:58] islanded data centers? Dave mentioned
[2:18:00] we've looked at some different
[2:18:02] generation and and as Seth said he we
[2:18:05] wanted to see, touch, feel, smell,
[2:18:08] listen to um these technologies and what
[2:18:12] might that impact. So that's that's a
[2:18:15] lot of the things we've been working
[2:18:17] through. One of the tools we're thinking
[2:18:20] um that would be for large power users
[2:18:22] is a a master electrical service
[2:18:24] agreement. Entities like Rocky Mountain
[2:18:27] Power use these quite a bit. um to just
[2:18:30] outline the large investment and make
[2:18:32] sure it's understood. Um so we would
[2:18:36] contemplate two agreements. One's uh for
[2:18:40] construction, who's funding what
[2:18:42] improvements to to get the
[2:18:44] infrastructure to the site? Um and what
[2:18:47] assurances are there that that would get
[2:18:49] built and what are the timelines for
[2:18:51] those? And then as that uh turns over to
[2:18:55] a user actually using power, how is it
[2:18:58] operating and are we capturing the
[2:19:00] costs? Are we protecting the city in the
[2:19:02] way we want? So just a few of the goals
[2:19:06] of of a master electrical service
[2:19:09] agreement. Um what upfront guarantees
[2:19:12] are are there going to be that the
[2:19:14] infrastructure gets built and used?
[2:19:16] Often you see as we build shell
[2:19:18] buildings in our industrial areas and
[2:19:20] we're seeing more of those often those
[2:19:23] are built not knowing what's going to go
[2:19:24] in them and those that are developing
[2:19:27] and want to be able to advertise
[2:19:30] about anything. So often they're saying
[2:19:32] we need a large transformer because we
[2:19:35] could have a large user in and then when
[2:19:39] a typical warehouse comes in and it just
[2:19:41] keeps the lights on. That transformer is
[2:19:44] oversized. Um, and we have an asset
[2:19:47] that's out there that we have to
[2:19:49] maintain that's very expensive and we're
[2:19:51] not running enough power for it through
[2:19:53] it to cover the cost of it. Um, so that would be some of the things that we
[2:19:59] look at. We've we've talked about do we
[2:20:02] on a shell building limit upfront
[2:20:05] capacity? In other words, we stall we
[2:20:08] install a smaller transformer that can
[2:20:10] get them through the tenant
[2:20:12] improvements, but as they find a user
[2:20:14] and we understand what goes in there and
[2:20:17] we have a load sheet, then we can upsize
[2:20:19] a transformer and rightsize that uh for
[2:20:23] what's going in. Um,
[2:20:28] one of the things along that same line
[2:20:29] as properties uh go forward in time and
[2:20:32] maybe that large load goes away and
[2:20:35] another
[2:20:37] uh user gets into the building that
[2:20:39] doesn't need that much power. We'd like
[2:20:41] the provision to be able to the term
[2:20:43] claw back or get back some of that
[2:20:45] capacity. In other words, uh downsize
[2:20:49] this transformer to what's needed today
[2:20:51] so that we can then use that capacity
[2:20:53] elsewhere in the city and not have to
[2:20:56] reserve capacity for something that's
[2:20:58] not being used. Um and then if they
[2:21:01] exceed that, are there penalties or how
[2:21:03] do we deal with that? So there's a lot
[2:21:05] of terms that would work into the
[2:21:06] details.
[2:21:08] Operational type items are
[2:21:11] often just because we build the
[2:21:13] infrastructure to get it there. it
[2:21:14] doesn't necessarily guarantee the power
[2:21:16] can get there. And so there would be
[2:21:18] provisions in the agreement to to make
[2:21:20] sure we all understand that um that
[2:21:23] there's not this feeling of I own
[2:21:25] something that can't be delivered today.
[2:21:29] Um
[2:21:31] and then operational constraints um
[2:21:35] specific power quality um they would
[2:21:38] have to meet to ensure that it's not
[2:21:41] causing problems with our system.
[2:21:44] Um and then how do we terminate you know
[2:21:47] if if if a company decides to leave how
[2:21:51] does this agreement
[2:21:53] >> [snorts]
[2:21:53] >> uh terminate to move on then then to a
[2:21:56] new user. So those are some of the
[2:21:58] things we've been discussing looking at
[2:22:00] the tools we look to use for for these
[2:22:02] large power loads. So, um, any
[2:22:05] suggestions, any any questions that that
[2:22:09] we as a committee could look at or
[2:22:11] research to help answer some of these
[2:22:15] really difficult
[2:22:17] problems as as things come in.
[2:22:21] >> Corey, there I think the way you've laid
[2:22:23] this out makes a ton of sense. I'm
[2:22:24] curious. [snorts] Um, an applicant comes
[2:22:28] to the city, they're over one and a half
[2:22:32] megawatts puts them in this other
[2:22:34] category. What's the decision-making
[2:22:36] process? Is it strictly staff
[2:22:40] facilitating in this conversation?
[2:22:41] There's no legislative action by the
[2:22:44] city council at any point in this
[2:22:46] process. It doesn't look like it to me.
[2:22:48] >> I I think and and I maybe would look
[2:22:51] Devon a little bit or others. If we have
[2:22:54] a master electrical services agreement,
[2:22:57] >> who Okay. Is it a council approval that
[2:23:01] um typically that's where those types of
[2:23:03] agreements would [clears throat] go? It
[2:23:05] could be if there was a template that
[2:23:08] city council liked that they would off
[2:23:10] authorize perhaps city managers or
[2:23:12] others to sign that could work. I think
[2:23:15] that would be the the place to capture
[2:23:19] that legislative oversight to say yes,
[2:23:22] this is important to our town and and we
[2:23:24] want to do that as well as the other
[2:23:27] processes through um subdivisions and things that would cross your path.
[2:23:33] >> Sure. But some point these these things
[2:23:36] are coming into whatever zone they are
[2:23:38] in and they're permitted use or not
[2:23:40] permitted use. They're permitted use,
[2:23:43] [snorts] but yet they still need over a
[2:23:45] mega 1.5 megawatts. If there was no
[2:23:48] legislative touch point on that, we're
[2:23:49] out. Yeah.
[2:23:51] >> Could be a data center. It could be zoo.
[2:23:54] I don't whatever it is. Yeah. But we're
[2:23:57] out. There's not a decision for us to
[2:23:59] make with this process. So that's why
[2:24:01] I'm I mean we're the next topic is data
[2:24:05] center conversation. Um, and I'm sure
[2:24:08] the internet usage is going to go up as
[2:24:10] we start talking about data centers and
[2:24:12] it feels like this is sort of the
[2:24:15] not back door to facil to start the
[2:24:17] conversation, but it's it's it's
[2:24:19] something that's part of it. Absolutely
[2:24:22] 100%. Um [snorts] but I think I am
[2:24:26] concerned that whatever user generates
[2:24:29] or needs as much power um we look at it
[2:24:32] from a land use and zoning
[2:24:35] perspective as well on top of the power
[2:24:38] requirement
[2:24:40] >> absolutely
[2:24:40] >> and maybe we'll get there as part of the
[2:24:42] conversation but um I don't think it's a
[2:24:44] you check the energy box the power
[2:24:46] consumption box and you're permitted go
[2:24:48] forward I mean at one point a mega a one
[2:24:51] and a half megawatt user
[2:24:53] is a big [clears throat]
[2:24:54] a big user and Dave you rattled off some
[2:24:56] of the folks that aren't here but could
[2:24:58] have come here um and I think without a
[2:25:00] discussion from us I would be concerned
[2:25:02] that someone using that much power
[2:25:05] has no legislative action whatsoever
[2:25:07] >> that would require a title 15 change
[2:25:09] right because if you what you're saying
[2:25:11] is we you would want anything that's
[2:25:13] that high of a power user to come before
[2:25:15] the city council
[2:25:15] >> it' be almost with special use
[2:25:17] >> so then we would we would need to change
[2:25:18] the way that our code is currently
[2:25:20] writen because right now they don't
[2:25:22] how
[2:25:23] >> it's it's I'm putting it on the table as
[2:25:25] something should we talk about.
[2:25:27] >> That was my exact question except I no
[2:25:29] way would have articulated it as well as
[2:25:32] you did.
[2:25:34] >> I think that's important.
[2:25:35] >> I don't know. I I considered one of the
[2:25:37] examples that was coming. How do you do
[2:25:38] that? How do you have that conversation
[2:25:40] in a public meeting when that business
[2:25:43] or the property owners are still
[2:25:45] negotiating, trying to work things out
[2:25:48] and now we're trying to throw it out
[2:25:50] there publicly where they're still
[2:25:52] trying to do things behind the scenes?
[2:25:54] >> Absolutely. We I mean, you pull up Title
[2:25:56] 15 and you look at all the permitted
[2:25:58] uses within a zone. Um, some of them are
[2:26:02] special use, special what are they
[2:26:04] called?
[2:26:06] >> Potentially conditional uses.
[2:26:07] >> Conditional uses. um it's it would
[2:26:10] follow some more similar policy. You put those uses that we're concerned
[2:26:14] about in there and then we have the
[2:26:16] conversation,
[2:26:18] but it's it's it's not something I'm
[2:26:20] like, uh we need this for sure. Just as
[2:26:23] this all plays out and as we have a
[2:26:24] conversation around data centers,
[2:26:26] >> right?
[2:26:27] >> What is our touch point?
[2:26:30] » I Yeah, historically, I think
[2:26:34] it's the land use, right? And then it's
[2:26:36] the capacity of the system. I think
[2:26:38] that's today the the backs stop right so
[2:26:41] yeah if you want to change that
[2:26:43] >> this is policy here not necessarily u
[2:26:46] >> it's good policy I'm not
[2:26:49] policy so I don't think it has the the
[2:26:50] teeth that you might be looking for so
[2:26:52] if you want to look at that I think
[2:26:54] >> uh my question that I mouth to Van he's
[2:26:56] like I can't read your lips u is what is
[2:26:59] the legislative action in that
[2:27:02] [cough and clears throat] question that
[2:27:03] you're asking I don't know so we can we
[2:27:04] can talk through that
[2:27:05] >> and and we may not need it here if we're
[2:27:07] covered
[2:27:08] >> in another location.
[2:27:09] >> To your point, Shane, I understand why
[2:27:11] you're asking because if if the city's
[2:27:14] got the opportunity to bring in a
[2:27:15] company that's going to use 15 megawws
[2:27:18] to produce whatever and they employ a
[2:27:20] 100 people and generate a certain amount
[2:27:22] of tax revenue to the city as compared
[2:27:25] to three businesses that will produce
[2:27:28] the same amount of energy but employ a
[2:27:30] lot more people
[2:27:31] >> and generate a lot more revenue.
[2:27:35] Do you throw it to the one individual,
[2:27:38] you know, that came first or do you hope
[2:27:40] you can get the three? I mean, how how
[2:27:42] does that work when it's when it's not
[2:27:44] legislative and it's all
[2:27:46] >> I I think you're thinking that there's
[2:27:48] going to be like that you have
[2:27:49] >> there's more than one. Well, that that like we have the the the
[2:27:56] never- ending uh
[2:27:59] ability to serve that power like it's
[2:28:01] not it is a very much of if you are
[2:28:05] hooked to our system and and you're
[2:28:08] talking about this amount of power
[2:28:11] that's created somewhere and then having
[2:28:15] to be delivered that it it
[2:28:18] >> the economics of this stuff can restrict
[2:28:20] itself before government needs for sure
[2:28:24] to jump in and say let's put some more
[2:28:26] legislation and some more restrictions
[2:28:27] and let's talk about this.
[2:28:29] >> It's not an infinite resource once it's
[2:28:31] >> 100%
[2:28:32] >> gone. So
[2:28:34] >> yeah I I don't it feels like this is
[2:28:38] the the sequencing of the tonight's
[2:28:41] conversation seems backwards to me. This
[2:28:44] is a a an issue for any business
[2:28:47] requiring power anywhere in our city.
[2:28:50] There are this is a good policy to
[2:28:53] follow when anything over these limits
[2:28:56] come in.
[2:28:57] We're we don't necessarily need to be
[2:29:00] involved with these kind of
[2:29:01] conversations. If the front end of it is
[2:29:04] this is the use, it it complies with our
[2:29:06] policy or it doesn't comply with our
[2:29:08] policy.
[2:29:08] >> That's where I want to talk about
[2:29:10] >> once it gets to here. We've almost said
[2:29:13] that makes sense, right?
[2:29:15] >> Yeah. Whatever that whatever that thing is industry,
[2:29:18] whatever it is, if it meets our
[2:29:20] requirements, right,
[2:29:21] >> we can't then pick and choose.
[2:29:23] >> Correct. And then then I think Mike,
[2:29:24] you're spot on. The the market is going
[2:29:28] to dictate most of this and we won't
[2:29:30] have to get into that business.
[2:29:32] Um,
[2:29:33] that's why I I I appreciate that we need
[2:29:35] this absolutely 100% because there are
[2:29:38] some big users out there. Um, and we
[2:29:42] need to protect ourselves, but
[2:29:46] it's it's the use of the property that
[2:29:49] really matters.
[2:29:51] Um, and I guess we'll get that in the
[2:29:54] second comma of this conversation.
[2:29:57] >> [snorts]
[2:29:57] >> You know, I want to draw a distinction
[2:30:00] between this discussion and most of what
[2:30:03] you're going to hear from valition
[2:30:05] about, but for like what we see in that
[2:30:08] last row there,
[2:30:09] >> the island and data center,
[2:30:12] >> this really does not apply to that. So,
[2:30:14] >> I I agree with you. That's I I
[2:30:17] appreciate you saying that, Dave,
[2:30:18] because I think
[2:30:19] >> um [snorts] if I'm out there listening
[2:30:21] tonight, and I think we got an email,
[2:30:22] you got an email data centers. No. Um, I
[2:30:26] heard a topic that's data centers and we
[2:30:28] started the conversation about power and
[2:30:32] I'm thinking are these Yahoos sneaking
[2:30:35] this data center conversation through a
[2:30:38] power lens? That's not the intent
[2:30:39] tonight. I think the intent is twofold.
[2:30:42] We need this regardless of the
[2:30:44] presentation we're going to hear because
[2:30:45] there are users that need more power.
[2:30:48] Some of them happen to be data centers.
[2:30:49] So, I think this is a good conversation
[2:30:51] to have, but you're right. It's not to generate the next
[2:30:56] presentation.
[2:30:57] >> It really isn't. Now, there there can be
[2:31:00] a connection. Certainly.
[2:31:01] >> Yeah. We put the words on the thing. So,
[2:31:03] there's a connection. Yes. But not the
[2:31:05] >> And [snorts] I think this goes without
[2:31:06] saying, but just to be clear, and I'll
[2:31:08] let anybody that's been involved tell me
[2:31:11] if I'm wrong, but everything that we've
[2:31:13] talked about so far, these are ideas.
[2:31:17] These are policy ideas. It's draft.
[2:31:21] Um, we've discussed it several times. I
[2:31:23] think um, with us and advice that we've
[2:31:27] received from UNMPA, I think we're
[2:31:29] getting pretty comfortable that in terms
[2:31:32] of what we'd recommend that the council
[2:31:33] consider, I think that probably would be
[2:31:36] forthcoming maybe in just a matter of
[2:31:38] weeks, but not not set in stone. Um, and
[2:31:42] maybe as much as it might just introduce
[2:31:45] this to you in this forum. So,
[2:31:47] >> and this is a touch point for us. on I
[2:31:49] can't remember when we had this
[2:31:50] conversation and work session where it
[2:31:53] was kind of a one two three not it and I
[2:31:55] think Landon was the slowest one to say
[2:31:57] not it so we got put on this committee
[2:32:00] [laughter]
[2:32:01] >> this is a touch point for us to see our
[2:32:03] you know in terms of this overarching
[2:32:04] policy how are we doing along with that
[2:32:07] this policy does say and and I think
[2:32:10] it's important to highlight the concept
[2:32:13] of an islanded user
[2:32:16] is really an uncomfortable one for us
[2:32:19] because we don't want anybody to just
[2:32:21] disconnect from the grid. We want it to
[2:32:23] be connected to our system. And so this
[2:32:26] does also address
[2:32:28] when somebody could disconnect from the
[2:32:31] grid or not ever connect from the grid
[2:32:33] and have an islanded use. I think we
[2:32:36] probably misidentify that and say
[2:32:38] islanded data center. I guess it could
[2:32:40] be anybody. Doesn't necessarily have to
[2:32:42] be a data center, right?
[2:32:43] >> Way to phrase it. Yeah. But we're we're
[2:32:45] targeting that as a user greater than 50
[2:32:48] megawatts, which is huge, right? That's
[2:32:50] half the town right now. And and we
[2:32:52] don't know if that's the right number,
[2:32:53] but right now Jake is saying, "Hey,
[2:32:55] let's set that number high because we
[2:32:57] want to provide the power and we want to
[2:32:58] work through that." But candidly, if
[2:33:00] anybody wanted to use 50 megawatts of
[2:33:03] power, it would require probably at
[2:33:05] least two new substations.
[2:33:09] uh probably a connected power line that
[2:33:13] goes from a point where the 138 line
[2:33:15] ends to where it can connect to another
[2:33:17] 138 KV substation which is probably 30
[2:33:20] million or $40 million. So if somebody
[2:33:22] wanted to use 40 mega 40 megawatts of
[2:33:24] power on the system, it's only going to
[2:33:26] happen with a significant amount of talk
[2:33:28] and and conversation because it's not
[2:33:30] there today.
[2:33:31] >> Sure. and and so yeah, we so as far as
[2:33:35] this goes, we're wanting to make sure
[2:33:37] are we headed in a good direction as a group because we don't want to keep
[2:33:42] fleshing this out if if we're missing
[2:33:44] the mark from your perspective on some
[2:33:46] things.
[2:33:47] >> And that's where that's where I'm
[2:33:48] getting at on like the the above one and
[2:33:51] a half megawatts there subject to this
[2:33:53] po to this policy and UNMPA oversight
[2:33:56] and Pacific Core system. you were
[2:33:58] talking about the organization that
[2:33:59] we're part of a power consortium of that
[2:34:03] this is how much power we can produce is
[2:34:06] this is how much we can buy on the
[2:34:07] market and then Pacific Corp how much
[2:34:09] they would even sell us and so there's
[2:34:12] some parameters in there that that are
[2:34:14] certainly beyond just us saying yeah
[2:34:18] that you know come or not come who
[2:34:20] depending who who you are that's a lot
[2:34:23] of study that's a lot of money that's a
[2:34:25] lot of things to say are you sure you
[2:34:27] need that kind of that kind of power in
[2:34:28] the first place. But
[2:34:29] >> for sure if you that kind of power,
[2:34:31] you're generating something that's
[2:34:32] making you money.
[2:34:34] >> No doubt. And I think part of my part of
[2:34:36] my concern is not not the policy at all.
[2:34:39] I think you've done a great job of
[2:34:40] outlining this. It's probably just the
[2:34:41] way we put it on the agenda as large
[2:34:45] power users, island power and data
[2:34:48] centers. I can see people going large
[2:34:50] power users, island power equal data
[2:34:53] center. And it's that's not the that's
[2:34:55] not the conversation we're having
[2:34:56] tonight. It's large power users and a
[2:34:59] conversation
[2:35:01] well island power. Next topic let's talk
[2:35:05] about data centers. So it's probably
[2:35:07] just in my head I'm just semantics a
[2:35:10] little bit but um I want to make sure
[2:35:12] that we have a very open and transparent
[2:35:14] conversation over the next 16 hours.
[2:35:18] Just buckle up.
[2:35:21] >> I'm just kidding. Um but it's
[2:35:25] >> [laughter]
[2:35:26] >> eight seconds.
[2:35:27] >> It's it's it it's given the impression
[2:35:31] that we are our only concern is power
[2:35:34] and I think we're going to figure out
[2:35:37] we'll be we'll show the public in the
[2:35:39] next, you know, 30 minutes of
[2:35:40] conversation. It's not our only problem.
[2:35:42] So anyway, this is good data. I think
[2:35:44] you're heading in the right direction,
[2:35:45] Corey.
[2:35:46] um figure out where the legislative
[2:35:48] touch points are or are not and keep the
[2:35:52] thing moving.
[2:35:54] >> Yeah. And I I think it's worth noting,
[2:35:56] you know, as Dave mentioned, we've had
[2:35:58] several users. He highlighted a few, but
[2:36:00] Jake would tell you he gets calls
[2:36:02] weekly.
[2:36:02] >> Sure.
[2:36:03] >> And Dave would tell you he gets calls
[2:36:04] weekly. And that's and often it's like,
[2:36:07] boy, what what do we do with this?
[2:36:09] Because it's so far from a power
[2:36:12] standpoint beyond what we're used to
[2:36:15] today. and what is that process? And
[2:36:18] that's this policy procedure thought
[2:36:20] here.
[2:36:22] And yeah, a lot of this probably
[2:36:23] shouldn't say data center in that
[2:36:25] regard. It's there because that's a lot
[2:36:28] of what requests we're getting in the
[2:36:30] environment we're in right now.
[2:36:32] >> But it's not just that. This is the
[2:36:33] intent for all large loads. And if it
[2:36:36] gets in a certain what is the process,
[2:36:38] what is the legislative touch points? I
[2:36:41] think that's important. And today we
[2:36:43] haven't looked at it from that. We've
[2:36:44] looked at it from a loading point um and
[2:36:48] maybe need to focus some effort in of
[2:36:50] Yeah. How do we how do we get these
[2:36:51] touch points?
[2:36:52] >> Okay.
[2:36:54] >> Thank you.
[2:36:55] >> Anything else for Dave or Corey?
[2:36:59] You got some more slides before we
[2:37:01] >> Nope.
[2:37:02] That's it.
[2:37:04] >> Finish [snorts] the handoff here if
[2:37:05] that's okay.
[2:37:05] >> Yep.
[2:37:06] >> Um
[2:37:08] Mr. Chavez, you ready? I think we're
[2:37:10] ready to go.
[2:37:13] Jeff's very capable at describing what
[2:37:15] he would like to do in Spanish Fork.
[2:37:17] I've appreciated the opportunity to get
[2:37:18] to know more about the concept and we're
[2:37:21] excited tonight to have him share it
[2:37:23] with you and the rest of the community.
[2:37:24] So that's it. Thank you.
[2:37:30] » Thank you. Uh Mr. Oh, go ahead.
[2:37:32] >> State your name for Terara so she gets
[2:37:34] it on the record.
[2:37:34] >> Jeff Chavez, CEO of Valition.
[2:37:37] >> Thank you.
[2:37:39] And do we know Tara if sound will play
[2:37:41] on a video clip?
[2:37:43] >> Yes.
[2:37:43] >> Okay.
[2:37:44] >> Jack.
[2:37:44] >> Just check.
[2:37:46] >> Okay. Great.
[2:37:50] » Great.
[2:37:51] Uh Mr. Mayor and Council, it's good to
[2:37:53] be with you again. Appreciate you giving
[2:37:55] us time uh to continue this conversation
[2:37:59] and to the rest of the leadership here.
[2:38:02] Um, you know, I just wanted to say that
[2:38:05] regardless of where we land together,
[2:38:09] uh, it's really genuinely been a been a
[2:38:11] pleasure working with with the city of
[2:38:13] Spanish Fork, um, really it's been very
[2:38:16] collaborative. We began this
[2:38:17] conversation, um,
[2:38:20] probably in October or [clears throat]
[2:38:23] November, um, is where this all began
[2:38:27] from its, you know, initial
[2:38:29] consideration. And so anyway, we just
[2:38:32] appreciate the thoughtful um and
[2:38:34] collaborative approach.
[2:38:36] Um for a little bit of background,
[2:38:39] especially for those who may be hearing
[2:38:42] about this for the first time, um
[2:38:46] Valition um began
[2:38:50] in the power industry.
[2:38:53] So this company began as we um
[2:38:57] understood
[2:38:59] that power was accelerating as a major
[2:39:04] challenge and problem in the United
[2:39:07] States. So if we go back to the 2025
[2:39:12] 2015 2016 window,
[2:39:15] that's sort of the genesis of this
[2:39:19] [clears throat] company.
[2:39:21] As we began to see rapidly accelerating
[2:39:25] electricity rates, as we began to see uh
[2:39:29] utilities having to invest hundreds of
[2:39:32] millions of dollars into infrastructure
[2:39:35] throughout the country
[2:39:37] and then passing much of that cost
[2:39:40] through to
[2:39:42] uh homeowners and businesses
[2:39:45] um with a projection that indicated that
[2:39:47] this would continue um on a percentage
[2:39:50] basis. year-over-year.
[2:39:52] And so our um work began looking at
[2:39:58] um a combination of renewable solutions
[2:40:02] uh renewable water technology, renewable
[2:40:06] power generation technology.
[2:40:09] And that work uh led us to begin looking
[2:40:12] at how to build onsite power systems or
[2:40:16] micro grids uh to offset the cost of
[2:40:20] energy and to become a positive
[2:40:21] supplement uh to the grid by creating
[2:40:26] some type of offset.
[2:40:30] Somewhere in the 2023
[2:40:34] period, 2022 period, we began to really
[2:40:39] look closely at what was happening in
[2:40:41] the data center industry. Um, taking a
[2:40:45] broad look at large hyperscale data
[2:40:48] centers that had been built over the
[2:40:50] last 20 years and that were accelerating
[2:40:53] their application for deployment
[2:40:55] throughout the United States. And for
[2:40:58] context, we're talking about 50 megawws
[2:41:01] here. A hypers scale facility is looking
[2:41:04] to build projects that are in the one,
[2:41:07] two, three, four gigawatt
[2:41:10] uh power category. And those
[2:41:14] developments um
[2:41:17] have
[2:41:18] become cause for concern, especially
[2:41:22] some of those that were built um call it
[2:41:27] four years or later. Um, from a resource
[2:41:31] standpoint, from a water uh, waste
[2:41:34] standpoint, from a noise standpoint, and
[2:41:37] from a power demand standpoint.
[2:41:41] And so with our understanding of uh
[2:41:44] power generation
[2:41:47] um and in particular the n the US
[2:41:49] natural gas infrastructure
[2:41:52] its stability
[2:41:54] and its uh clean capability if utilized
[2:41:59] in in the right um deployment.
[2:42:03] we began to realize that uh we could
[2:42:06] innovate
[2:42:08] uh towards a data center infrastructure
[2:42:12] um that could be sustainable.
[2:42:22] And so our approach has been um
[2:42:25] especially in the last two years
[2:42:29] to really initiate a conversation with
[2:42:33] communities
[2:42:36] about the concerns that everybody is
[2:42:38] aware of. And um obviously the volume
[2:42:42] around data center concern has
[2:42:45] dramatically increased here in Utah and
[2:42:48] around the country um especially in the
[2:42:52] last just six months.
[2:42:54] We were already addressing these. We
[2:42:56] were already aware of them. And so we
[2:42:58] know what the the concerns are,
[2:43:00] electricity, noise, water, air quality.
[2:43:04] Um and our approach has been to address
[2:43:07] these uh transparently and openly.
[2:43:11] Part of what we've done as we have uh
[2:43:14] begun to consider
[2:43:16] um
[2:43:18] building a sustainable data center in
[2:43:22] Utah um has be has included an
[2:43:27] initiative where we've began to interact
[2:43:31] um even just with some small campaigns
[2:43:34] on Instagram. Um, I'm going to show you
[2:43:38] a a brief video
[2:43:41] um that has run and received over I
[2:43:46] think 300,000 impressions in Utah County
[2:43:49] as we begin to have this conversation.
[2:43:51] It's also allowed us to get some of the
[2:43:53] initial feedback as uh we position
[2:43:56] ourselves as an innovative solution. Let
[2:43:59] me pray play this uh two minutes quickly
[2:44:01] and then uh talk about how we're
[2:44:03] continuing our approach in um the
[2:44:07] dialogue with the community. Oops.
[2:44:13] You might have to click on
[2:44:21] you know. Oh, there we go. There's our
[2:44:24] link.
[2:44:28] I saw a link when you clicked on there
[2:44:40] » there.
[2:44:42] If we don't find it quickly, there may
[2:44:44] be a chance that
[2:44:46] it didn't remain embedded when we
[2:44:50] emailed it over.
[2:44:52] And there you go. This will work. Thank
[2:44:55] you.
[2:45:03] might need to hit volume.
[2:45:14] We didn't set out
[2:45:20] to build data centers.
[2:45:23] We began by looking for ways to reduce
[2:45:26] energy costs in communities across
[2:45:28] America.
[2:45:31] We realized soon after there was a
[2:45:34] better way to build data centers that
[2:45:37] worked for the community.
[2:45:40] That's our mission.
[2:45:43] We all know that there's no stopping our
[2:45:47] need for additional data. Data centers
[2:45:49] are going to be built whether we're
[2:45:50] comfortable with that or not. But growth
[2:45:53] at all costs can have a negative impact
[2:45:56] on communities. Data centers are
[2:45:58] dramatically stressing our grid. In many
[2:46:01] cases, they use huge amounts of excess
[2:46:03] water and most of them are not low
[2:46:05] emission. Our data centers are
[2:46:08] different.
[2:46:09] We don't require a huge amount of land
[2:46:11] and most importantly, we never touch the
[2:46:13] electric grid. We use no power from the
[2:46:16] local utility.
[2:46:18] Everything we build is based on our
[2:46:20] natural gas infrastructure with a fuel
[2:46:23] cell that runs with extremely low
[2:46:25] emissions.
[2:46:27] We use the same water over and over
[2:46:29] again.
[2:46:31] What's more, all of the technology we
[2:46:33] use on our properties are extremely
[2:46:36] quiet. We can do this better.
[2:46:40] Giving back and sharing resources with
[2:46:42] the community is at the center of our
[2:46:44] purpose. A share of every site's revenue
[2:46:47] flows straight back into the community
[2:46:49] that hosts it.
[2:46:51] At Valition, we've made a commitment to
[2:46:54] be a good neighbor.
[2:46:57] That's a promise we'll keep.
[2:47:08] So, um,
[2:47:11] it's been important, I think, useful for
[2:47:13] us to get, um, feedback. Feedback has
[2:47:16] been to some degree as expected. Um,
[2:47:20] many comments on Instagram that are, you
[2:47:22] know, what you might expect, like just a
[2:47:24] one-word response, liar, you know,
[2:47:27] things like that. Or that I'm running
[2:47:28] for Congress. There was another one on
[2:47:29] there that said, "Oh, no, for for uh the
[2:47:31] governorship," which is not true. Um,
[2:47:34] and that's okay. There are folks who um
[2:47:38] are concerned, and that's our purpose
[2:47:41] really to address those concerns. As we
[2:47:44] lead up to a potential approval of our
[2:47:48] text amendment um and the ability to
[2:47:51] produce power on site, we are hosting um
[2:47:56] a two-day open house that will be here
[2:47:59] at the library. The first session is
[2:48:02] next Thursday from 10:00 a.m. to 12:30
[2:48:05] and then the following day from 10:00
[2:48:08] a.m. to 12:30. And our intent is to
[2:48:12] allow for an environment where we can
[2:48:14] have um a clear conversation. This will
[2:48:18] be run as an open house where we will uh
[2:48:22] take maybe the first 10 minutes with an
[2:48:24] overview similar to this conversation,
[2:48:26] maybe one of these videos that we have.
[2:48:29] Um, I'll then give an overview of our
[2:48:32] design and our approach and then we will
[2:48:36] have uh kind of three or four little
[2:48:39] booth settings where we can one of our
[2:48:42] team members will be there to talk and
[2:48:44] take questions just about power, another
[2:48:46] one uh just about water, another one
[2:48:49] about sound, another one about the the
[2:48:52] proposed use of the existing building
[2:48:54] where we'd like um to stand up this
[2:48:58] facility. And so our intention is to be
[2:49:01] able to not just have community members
[2:49:03] maybe isolated to an hour-long meeting
[2:49:06] in a chamber where uh it's hard to
[2:49:10] address longer conversations.
[2:49:13] Um so we look forward to this. I think
[2:49:17] um this open house may also be uh should
[2:49:20] be informative I think for the city as
[2:49:22] well as you understand more directly how
[2:49:26] Spanish Fork um citizens may be
[2:49:29] responding to this proposal.
[2:49:33] >> Hey Jeff, can we can ask a question for
[2:49:35] everyone? Any chance you could do that
[2:49:37] Saturday between 10 and 12?
[2:49:40] >> Add a date
[2:49:41] >> or move a date?
[2:49:42] >> Need a day when people can come? It's
[2:49:44] tough to be there on a third day
[2:49:46] sometime.
[2:49:46] >> Yeah. You know, Shane, we're totally
[2:49:48] open to any recommendation. In fact,
[2:49:50] today we were sort of struggling with
[2:49:52] this conversation about the time both
[2:49:54] what was available here in the library.
[2:49:56] So, the evenings were both blocked out.
[2:49:59] Um, but we talked about Saturday, so
[2:50:02] we're open to adding a time on Saturday.
[2:50:06] Um, so if you point us in the right
[2:50:10] direction, we're we're willing to do
[2:50:12] more or different or different time
[2:50:15] frame.
[2:50:16] >> Okay.
[2:50:16] >> Um, h happy to do that,
[2:50:18] >> right?
[2:50:19] >> Yeah.
[2:50:21] >> Even if or something else was there.
[2:50:23] >> Yeah.
[2:50:25] >> So when we look at the, you know,
[2:50:28] overall question here, why a data center
[2:50:31] in Spanish Fork or how would a data
[2:50:33] center in Spanish Fork look? Um there
[2:50:36] are really kind of these five pillars.
[2:50:38] One is uh that we bring our own power.
[2:50:42] There is no request from the city to
[2:50:44] upgrade
[2:50:46] um or to do anything for that matter
[2:50:48] that would accommodate our needs. Uh the
[2:50:52] second is that our technology is near
[2:50:55] zero emission.
[2:50:57] We're also going to demonstrate how our
[2:50:59] use of this property
[2:51:02] um is much lower emission than if
[2:51:05] another tenant were to utilize the same
[2:51:08] property. We'll look at that in a
[2:51:09] minute. Um we use water extremely
[2:51:13] carefully and it's really a fraction of
[2:51:16] the water use that many people might
[2:51:18] expect. So we'll walk you through that
[2:51:21] briefly.
[2:51:22] um what we believe is a really
[2:51:25] productive use of an existing building.
[2:51:28] We're not requesting, you know, to buy
[2:51:31] land and to build something new on, you
[2:51:34] know, the the skyline here. Um and then
[2:51:38] um how we intend to ensure that our
[2:51:42] being in Spanish Fork is a positive uh
[2:51:46] in a variety of ways.
[2:51:49] So this first pillar um we literally
[2:51:52] bring our own power. Our system runs on
[2:51:57] natural gas.
[2:51:59] We have an off-grid fuel cell technology
[2:52:04] uh that I'll explain in just a moment.
[2:52:06] Um that requires no transmission
[2:52:08] upgrades, uh no rate impact, um no
[2:52:13] capacity
[2:52:15] uh taken from other tenants and
[2:52:17] businesses who uh intend to
[2:52:21] be here in Spanish Fork. There are no
[2:52:24] diesel generators. The reason we
[2:52:25] highlight this is just because diesel
[2:52:27] generators are at the center of the data
[2:52:30] center conversation. When uh community
[2:52:34] members have uh this incessant problem
[2:52:37] with noise and low hum, these are
[2:52:41] typically from backup generators running
[2:52:44] 247 and uh burning diesel. We have uh
[2:52:49] nothing, not even backup on our facility
[2:52:52] w with diesel generators. Um and we have
[2:52:55] already uh been approved by Embridge in
[2:52:59] the engineering and design to upgrade
[2:53:03] the amount of natural gas that comes
[2:53:05] into this property. Um it is a
[2:53:08] substantial cost and that is a cost that
[2:53:10] we uh that we bear completely
[2:53:14] independent of the city.
[2:53:18] This is a look at the bloom energy fuel
[2:53:20] cell. Um this technology um utilizes
[2:53:25] natural gas. When the natural gas comes
[2:53:27] into the fuel cell, there is a chemical
[2:53:31] reaction that occurs. The fuel is not
[2:53:34] burned. It is not consumed. The
[2:53:37] byproduct is heat and a small amount of
[2:53:41] water. Aside from the electricity that
[2:53:43] is created in this chemical reaction,
[2:53:47] uh there are there's over now over two
[2:53:50] gigawatts of this technology deployed
[2:53:52] throughout the world. It is a
[2:53:54] 25-year-old technology that has been
[2:53:57] tested and proven uh in over 1500 sites
[2:54:01] throughout the world. Um and we've built
[2:54:05] a great relationship with this company
[2:54:06] over the last u five years. It's a
[2:54:10] phenomenal alternative
[2:54:13] uh to existing power generation.
[2:54:17] Bloom is one of several throughout the
[2:54:19] world who uh develop a fuel cell um all
[2:54:25] of which run uh with very low emission.
[2:54:33] leading us into this next element that
[2:54:36] we focus on which is um our emissions
[2:54:39] and um in the Wasatch front um ozone
[2:54:44] non-attainment area there's a heavy
[2:54:46] focus on nitrogen oxides and um we fall
[2:54:51] below all state uh requirements
[2:54:54] significantly. In fact, uh we've just
[2:54:57] been given the initial uh source minor
[2:54:59] source permit has been approved by the
[2:55:02] Department of Environmental Quality here
[2:55:03] in the state of Utah. That just came
[2:55:05] through last week as they looked at all
[2:55:08] of the systems that uh that we provided
[2:55:11] for them to do research on. Um so we
[2:55:15] have uh near zero local air emissions
[2:55:18] and um our systems don't require any
[2:55:21] type of technological add-on to in any
[2:55:24] way improve their performance. This is
[2:55:27] their performance capability
[2:55:30] um out of the box so to speak.
[2:55:34] >> Hey Jeff, can you go back one? What was
[2:55:37] the permit you you have from DAQ?
[2:55:43] So the permit uh was run through uh
[2:55:46] Stantech who is you know primary
[2:55:50] facilitator.
[2:55:52] >> Um do we know the exact name of the
[2:55:54] permit Ryan? Do we
[2:56:00] » Yeah, it's it's called new minor source
[2:56:02] permit.
[2:56:04] >> Okay. So you have provided them data on
[2:56:08] your expected emissions. They evaluated.
[2:56:10] They agree with those and they said
[2:56:12] because of this
[2:56:14] lack of
[2:56:16] >> you have a permit to operate Bloom
[2:56:18] equipment in Utah County
[2:56:21] >> in Utah County and to the full extent
[2:56:24] that we propose which is over 250
[2:56:26] megawatts of power. So they looked at it
[2:56:28] collectively.
[2:56:29] >> Okay. uh a cumulative approval
[2:56:33] >> and the proposal here would be only 50
[2:56:36] would be only what 20% of that
[2:56:40] >> our proposal to build this facility
[2:56:43] facilitates up to 250 of power.
[2:56:46] >> Okay. Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate that.
[2:56:47] Okay.
[2:56:47] >> One question before you leave this page
[2:56:49] too. So that first box it says the
[2:56:51] natural gas not zero carbon
[2:56:54] >> near zero local air emissions and lowest
[2:56:56] available carbon at this scale. So what
[2:56:59] is so is carbon a byproduct that's being
[2:57:03] put into the atmosphere? I'm just trying
[2:57:04] to understand exa exactly
[2:57:06] >> all you know all um
[2:57:10] in this case Ryan do you want to address
[2:57:13] that phrasing?
[2:57:15] >> You want to start the mic for us that
[2:57:18] way we can everybody can hear you.
[2:57:21] >> Welcome from Spain.
[2:57:23] >> True. Yeah we forgot the
[2:57:27] So the question was what are the
[2:57:30] >> yeah what what are it's saying that it's
[2:57:32] near zero what is it what are the
[2:57:33] byproducts that are being put into the
[2:57:34] air if it's
[2:57:35] >> yes so there will be uh you know the
[2:57:37] major um let's say smog related would be
[2:57:42] um nitrous oxide nox
[2:57:45] um and there is
[2:57:48] um carbon monoxide and
[2:57:52] uh in the in the fuel ga in the um
[2:57:55] natural gas there's an additive
[2:57:57] of sulfur. Um so so it becomes because
[2:58:01] natural gas is
[2:58:04] not you know you can't smell it. So
[2:58:07] sulfur is added so that is scrubbed out
[2:58:10] of there and so there is a small amount
[2:58:12] of sulfur that sulfur uh oxide. So how I
[2:58:18] don't know like you said that you passed
[2:58:20] the emissions so I'm assuming that those
[2:58:21] are pretty stingent but like what would
[2:58:23] it be comparable to because I know
[2:58:24] there's a lot of cells a lot of fuel
[2:58:26] cells being put on the site.
[2:58:28] >> Yeah.
[2:58:28] >> How much are we looking at? Like so yeah
[2:58:32] in the permit um there is
[2:58:35] uh there's a total here.
[2:58:38] >> Um so like nitrogen oxide it's about uh
[2:58:41] five tons a year. Um the there's also
[2:58:45] particulate matter that that comes in at
[2:58:48] less than uh 0.1
[2:58:51] uh tons per year. The sulfur dioxide is
[2:58:54] 0.01 tons
[2:58:57] and um the carbon monoxide is 22 tons.
[2:59:01] >> 22 tonsal
[2:59:02] >> for the whole for the whole site.
[2:59:04] >> For the whole site per year.
[2:59:06] >> Yeah.
[2:59:08] So I think part of that question though
[2:59:09] Jesse was it says this is natural gas
[2:59:12] not zero carbon
[2:59:16] >> and then there was some question about
[2:59:18] you don't burn it so carbon isn't
[2:59:20] released like it's a little bit
[2:59:22] >> the phrasing of it I
[2:59:23] >> yeah you're right that could be more
[2:59:24] clear
[2:59:25] >> but there is there is some carbon
[2:59:28] expelled 22 tons a year
[2:59:29] >> what we can't say what this is
[2:59:31] attempting to clarify is we can't say
[2:59:33] that we are net zero
[2:59:35] >> totally yep And so this is just in the
[2:59:38] attempt to be real clear um that there
[2:59:41] is some byproduct and it's extremely low
[2:59:44] and I think some additional slides will
[2:59:46] help give you a comparable.
[2:59:47] >> Yeah, I think I think those numbers that
[2:59:49] Ryan put out there I think those are
[2:59:50] really important. Um but they need some
[2:59:53] context.
[2:59:54] >> Yeah, I think they're really important.
[2:59:55] Like we would know what those are.
[2:59:57] >> Come on. You don't know what they are.
[2:59:58] >> Yeah, [laughter]
[2:59:59] I know five tons is like a you know
[3:00:03] drop. That's my point is that we need
[3:00:04] some context around it and then there'll
[3:00:06] be
[3:00:06] >> yeah like if you would have said 500 I'd
[3:00:09] been like oh yeah that's right 500 tons
[3:00:10] [laughter] not five tons that makes
[3:00:12] sense
[3:00:12] >> but I do think there sometimes when
[3:00:14] there's a new technology that's low
[3:00:16] emission there's a tendency and I think
[3:00:19] many companies will um in their ambition
[3:00:22] say things like we're zero emission
[3:00:25] >> and while we are very low emission we
[3:00:29] want to be clear that we're very low
[3:00:31] emission town would like the straight
[3:00:34] talk.
[3:00:34] >> Yep. Yep.
[3:00:38] » Water is um
[3:00:41] uh really important. And um previous
[3:00:45] designs and engineering of data centers
[3:00:48] uh didn't um factor in water
[3:00:51] conservation very well at all, if ever.
[3:00:54] And so the reports that you hear about,
[3:00:58] you know, millions of gallons of water
[3:01:00] wasted, not annually, but weekly and in
[3:01:04] some cases daily, that's that's true.
[3:01:06] That happens and that's that's a
[3:01:09] concern. And so um before valition came
[3:01:14] along, many of the leading uh developers
[3:01:17] of technology began to address this
[3:01:20] issue. some of the major uh system
[3:01:23] developers like Carrier and Train
[3:01:26] uh began to innovate around uh a more
[3:01:29] dynamic solution that would allow data
[3:01:32] centers to run on what is a closed loop
[3:01:34] system. They're more expensive and so
[3:01:37] developers need to make a decision um
[3:01:40] about investing more in um a better
[3:01:44] technology and that's absolutely um our
[3:01:46] decision. So we utilize um a closed loop
[3:01:50] system that effectively allows us to
[3:01:52] utilize uh one fill in the system um
[3:01:57] almost in perpetuity and I'll I'll
[3:01:59] address the almost in in just a minute.
[3:02:01] Um but to give you context um when we
[3:02:05] fill this system which will provide
[3:02:07] enough uh power compute for up to 250
[3:02:11] megawws
[3:02:12] um which is you know again maybe a
[3:02:14] quarter of what you would consider a
[3:02:16] typical hyper hypers scale but still a
[3:02:18] large output. This is about equal to two
[3:02:22] Utah households
[3:02:24] for one year.
[3:02:27] In addition, there is an annual usage of
[3:02:30] 250,000
[3:02:32] gallons, which is about one household
[3:02:35] and that is used in parts of
[3:02:38] humidification
[3:02:39] in the system. Um but in the scheme of
[3:02:44] things uh this is a much lower usage
[3:02:47] than what is often discussed in media or
[3:02:52] uh whereas reference to legacy systems
[3:02:55] that are extremely wasteful. This is a
[3:02:59] modern system that um is not wasteful at
[3:03:03] all. So, we will not be requesting any
[3:03:06] additional water rights in any way from
[3:03:09] the city. And as a comparison,
[3:03:13] um if we used old technology, a system
[3:03:17] like this would utilize over 650 million
[3:03:21] gallons a year or 3,400
[3:03:25] households. just to give a comparison
[3:03:28] about how starkly efficient this is
[3:03:31] compared to previous data center
[3:03:33] designs.
[3:03:37] Wait, don't don't change. On the infill
[3:03:39] side, um you infill it once, use it for
[3:03:43] how long?
[3:03:46] >> So, the system is designed um as one
[3:03:50] fill, but here's some of the detail
[3:03:52] around where there may be a refill. Um
[3:03:57] we monitor the water daily. Um there is
[3:04:02] uh the possibility that around year
[3:04:04] seven or eight the glycol in the water
[3:04:10] um it can change its percentage to a
[3:04:13] point that if it dips below a certain
[3:04:15] percentage we are then in exposure for
[3:04:19] corrosion within our piping and with our
[3:04:21] within our direct chip cooling system.
[3:04:23] So if we at year seven or eight see an
[3:04:27] indication that the glycol level is
[3:04:29] changing in some way then there is a
[3:04:31] mechanism to replace or test or improve
[3:04:36] the water in the system. And the
[3:04:39] engineering is such that we're able to
[3:04:41] shut down portions of the cooling so
[3:04:44] that we can extract up to 40,000 gallons
[3:04:47] at a time through uh a pump system into
[3:04:52] um what are sort of like frack uh
[3:04:55] tankers. So, we're able to pull the
[3:04:58] system uh efficiently, the water
[3:05:00] efficiently into a mobile unit that
[3:05:04] allows us to then test the water uh
[3:05:07] potentially increase the ratio of glycol
[3:05:10] and reuse uh that flushing process. So,
[3:05:15] that is a standard upkeep around seven
[3:05:18] or eight years. Extremely efficient and
[3:05:21] low risk. Um the other potential
[3:05:25] scenarios for um you know a concern with
[3:05:29] the water use um it is not impossible to
[3:05:32] get uh some micro um contaminants if we ever indicated
[3:05:40] that we would employ the same type of
[3:05:43] system. In a worst case scenario for us,
[3:05:46] because of expense, if there was any
[3:05:48] kind of microbe in a system like that,
[3:05:51] we could potentially be facing having to
[3:05:54] refill the system, and it's not cheap to
[3:05:57] do that. So, we're constantly monitoring
[3:06:00] water quality, and um the system is
[3:06:04] designed to extract that water, treat
[3:06:06] the water, replace the water. Um,
[3:06:10] >> sorry Jeff. As you're describing that,
[3:06:12] you extract the water, you treat the
[3:06:13] water, you put that same water back into
[3:06:16] the system.
[3:06:17] >> Yes, potentially. So, if we're just
[3:06:19] having to in if the water is still uh no
[3:06:22] problem to continue use, but we for
[3:06:24] example have to increase the ratio of
[3:06:26] glycol, that would be a scenario where
[3:06:28] we can pump it back into the system.
[3:06:30] >> There ever a scenario where you have to
[3:06:33] drain it and replace it entirely? And if
[3:06:36] that's the case, what do you do with the
[3:06:37] water that gets drained?
[3:06:39] >> The wa So if we had a scenario where we
[3:06:43] had a bacterial problem,
[3:06:45] >> so we would extract it uh into tankers,
[3:06:49] those tankers then go through a process
[3:06:52] where uh they're able to required to
[3:06:56] treat that water so that is um able to
[3:07:00] be taken to waste to a waste facility.
[3:07:04] So there's
[3:07:05] >> treated before disposal.
[3:07:06] >> Before disposal. Yeah. So there's a a
[3:07:09] process in place that that water has to
[3:07:11] be treated in a worst case scenario like
[3:07:12] this so that it can be disposed of in an
[3:07:16] authorized waste facility. This is never
[3:07:19] a scenario where something would be, you
[3:07:22] know, going down a local drain ever.
[3:07:24] >> Where does [snorts] that treatment take
[3:07:26] place
[3:07:27] >> in Utah? I don't know. I haven't looked
[3:07:29] into that. Go ahead.
[3:07:32] >> The the treatment in the truck or the
[3:07:34] final treatment?
[3:07:34] >> No, the treat. So, you determine there's
[3:07:37] bacteria, there's an issue with the
[3:07:39] water, it can't go back into the system.
[3:07:41] So, you load up the tankers.
[3:07:43] >> It then needs to go somewhere to be
[3:07:45] treated before it can be disposed of
[3:07:47] into a treatment wastewater like our
[3:07:49] wastewater treatment plant. They can't
[3:07:51] just
[3:07:52] >> can't just dump it down the drain. It's
[3:07:54] got to go somewhere.
[3:07:55] >> No, it goes to a you know a registered
[3:07:58] type of facility. I don't know where the
[3:07:59] nearest one is. I'm sure we could find
[3:08:00] out quickly. But that that is the
[3:08:03] process if we had uh what would be a
[3:08:06] very rare and um you know critical
[3:08:09] situation. Um the other would be you
[3:08:14] know major force majour
[3:08:17] um event
[3:08:19] >> earthquake or something
[3:08:20] >> that was happening you know that that
[3:08:21] maybe you know severed a major plumbing
[3:08:24] line within the facility. But even in
[3:08:26] that case, we're able to close off
[3:08:29] valves so that the entire facility is
[3:08:32] not um depleted.
[3:08:35] >> Yeah. So worst case scenario with
[3:08:37] bacteria, if you get it in the water at
[3:08:40] all, does that mean the entire water is
[3:08:42] contaminated?
[3:08:44] >> I would think uh that's probably the
[3:08:46] case. And bacteria we're talking about
[3:08:48] is not we're talking about bacteria that
[3:08:50] would be uh detrimental to the
[3:08:53] equipment,
[3:08:53] >> right? It doesn't mean that it is, you
[3:08:56] know, highly
[3:08:58] uh problematic for a community. We're
[3:09:00] still not going to drop it into a drain.
[3:09:02] We're still going to treat it the same
[3:09:03] way.
[3:09:04] >> So, how how quickly if that if that
[3:09:06] happens and occurs? Obviously, you guys
[3:09:08] can't be down
[3:09:10] long. You have to drain it. How quickly
[3:09:12] can you refill it to be back back in
[3:09:14] business? Because you got to keep those
[3:09:15] cool.
[3:09:16] >> Yeah. So, we we in our agreement with
[3:09:18] our clients, we have some pretty
[3:09:21] punitive
[3:09:23] um penalties if if we're down. Um so,
[3:09:28] what we're talking about right now is
[3:09:30] really a very extreme circumstance that
[3:09:33] we hope that we never, you know, uh run
[3:09:37] into. But that scenario would be a big
[3:09:41] penalty for us. It wouldn't have an
[3:09:43] impact on the community at large. we
[3:09:46] would be required to drain as quickly as
[3:09:48] possible and to refill as quickly as
[3:09:52] possible. So if that was two days um
[3:09:56] we're kind of you know okay if it
[3:09:59] trickles into four and five days we're
[3:10:01] you know it costs the company millions
[3:10:03] of dollars in penalties.
[3:10:04] >> Would you have to shut down like turn
[3:10:06] off the servers shut down like the
[3:10:09] draining process does that mean power
[3:10:11] goes off
[3:10:11] >> be down? The facility would be down.
[3:10:13] Yeah, the facility would be down because
[3:10:15] requires direct to chip cooling. Um it's
[3:10:18] also something that we can plan for. Um
[3:10:21] so you know any kind of a bacterial
[3:10:25] um
[3:10:27] uh event is going to be something that
[3:10:30] is likely coming from some type of a
[3:10:33] seal, possibly um an oil or something
[3:10:37] that gets in and and we would see that
[3:10:40] pretty immediately. and seeing it
[3:10:42] immediately does not mean we have to
[3:10:44] shut down the system. It just means that
[3:10:46] our equipment is
[3:10:49] in jeopardy of corrosion. And so we'll
[3:10:51] want to plan for the exchange of water
[3:10:56] rapidly.
[3:10:58] >> Um operating site up there that's used
[3:11:01] that's doing something. How much water
[3:11:04] do you think they're using?
[3:11:06] >> The what site?
[3:11:07] >> Current site. The current building. Oh.
[3:11:10] Uh, well, the current building is,
[3:11:13] uh, not totally occupied right now and
[3:11:17] it's pretty light. They're they're um
[3:11:20] primarily distribution. So, I don't know
[3:11:23] the current amount they're using, but
[3:11:24] it's not it's not heavy usage.
[3:11:26] >> It's um, for reference, we have looked
[3:11:29] at it. It's it's probably
[3:11:33] in the 5 million gallon range annually.
[3:11:35] So what they're talking about, even
[3:11:37] though it's not fully occupied, it's a significant fraction of what
[3:11:43] they're currently using up there today.
[3:11:45] >> Current current building current sites
[3:11:47] using
[3:11:48] >> using more than what they're projecting.
[3:11:50] >> Yeah. Probably I don't know 250 to 500.
[3:11:52] I mean, even if they had 500,000 every
[3:11:54] year, that's 10 times. So they're 10,
[3:11:58] you know, so they're at 20th
[3:12:00] >> current. Um, so I want to go through a
[3:12:02] couple more slides and then then we'll
[3:12:05] continue the conversation. We can
[3:12:06] certainly come back uh to the topic of water. I think what where I would
[3:12:11] summarize here is that uh the water use
[3:12:15] is actually extremely low. Um the risk
[3:12:21] of
[3:12:22] spilling into the community is um
[3:12:27] extremely low. and the ability to
[3:12:31] service our needs to recycle or refill
[3:12:35] or refurbish that water supply um is a a proven process while expensive to us
[3:12:45] is not a threat to the community.
[3:12:51] The building where we um
[3:12:54] propose to build into this is
[3:12:58] the uh what is known as the finger hut
[3:13:01] building. It's a million square feet uh
[3:13:03] just near the wind power at the mouth of
[3:13:07] the canyon.
[3:13:08] Um it is uh a fairly ideal scenario for
[3:13:14] repurpose of something like this in that
[3:13:16] it is um on a large plot of land. It's
[3:13:20] not close to a series of other uh
[3:13:23] industrial buildings currently. It is
[3:13:25] not near uh
[3:13:28] many residences and we will we'll talk
[3:13:31] about that in just a moment. Um but it's
[3:13:35] existing industrial
[3:13:38] And couple things I think are important
[3:13:40] to consider is that um
[3:13:45] it's its ideal use as it's currently
[3:13:48] built is for distribution
[3:13:51] 36 loading bays. Um we are proposing to
[3:13:55] purchase this building and we do have uh
[3:13:59] information that there is another
[3:14:00] company right now who has put in another
[3:14:02] bid to purchase the building as well.
[3:14:06] Um, in its current use, this building
[3:14:09] would see over 3,500 diesel trucks a
[3:14:14] month moving through uh through Spanish
[3:14:18] Fork. Um,
[3:14:20] 720 metric tons of CO2.
[3:14:25] Um, compared to what at our facility
[3:14:27] would be a few dozen cars a day. Um
[3:14:32] ultimately this facility will have see
[3:14:35] anywhere from 100 to 200 employees. Uh
[3:14:38] there's no loading, there's no
[3:14:40] distribution.
[3:14:42] Um and so we do believe genuinely that
[3:14:46] for the city and the surrounding area
[3:14:50] um while data centers have been vilified
[3:14:54] a bit in uh you know previous design and
[3:14:58] certain inefficiencies,
[3:15:00] this facility with this proposed design
[3:15:05] um is truly a net positive and
[3:15:08] especially when compared to how the
[3:15:11] building would likely be used uh by any
[3:15:15] other owner or tenant compared to um
[3:15:20] compared to valition.
[3:15:23] And so this is a a look at how this uh
[3:15:26] will begin to build out um same
[3:15:30] building, new purpose and um a extremely
[3:15:37] um meaningful economic impact where this
[3:15:41] building um as an extreme outlier to
[3:15:44] traditional industry will house over
[3:15:47] four billion dollars of um power
[3:15:51] generation equipment, electrical
[3:15:53] equipment and compute equipment in this
[3:15:59] facility.
[3:16:04] So, in the end, we're looking at a
[3:16:05] situation where we have uh
[3:16:08] conversational level noise on the
[3:16:11] facility
[3:16:13] under 65 dBA,
[3:16:16] no added light pollution,
[3:16:21] minimal traffic on site, and no
[3:16:25] requested change to the skyline or
[3:16:29] interior or exterior.
[3:16:32] uh fit.
[3:16:37] We make no request of the city for any tax incentive
[3:16:46] um of of any kind. We're making no
[3:16:49] request of the state for any [snorts]
[3:16:51] tax incentive
[3:16:53] uh of any kind. So we we leave this as
[3:16:56] this very vanilla tax vehicle that will
[3:17:02] generate um a large amount of tax
[3:17:05] revenue that will be distributed in its
[3:17:08] normal normal flow of tax distribution
[3:17:11] through the city and through the school
[3:17:12] district.
[3:17:14] um
[3:17:17] allowing a community to have access to
[3:17:20] capital to grow, expand, develop,
[3:17:22] especially a city like Spanish Fork that
[3:17:25] is attractive and has plans to to
[3:17:28] expand. Um we think this is a
[3:17:34] substantially
[3:17:36] um impactful
[3:17:39] use of of funds. But in addition to that
[3:17:43] um we really have a genuine desire to um
[3:17:46] have our own direct impact as well. We
[3:17:49] will allocate a portion of our own
[3:17:51] annual income and our client's annual
[3:17:54] income to uh create additional direct
[3:17:58] contributions
[3:17:59] um in excess of $500,000 a year to the
[3:18:02] city and also host um industry training
[3:18:06] um for professionals
[3:18:09] um paid apprenticeships
[3:18:11] and also uh taking education into
[3:18:16] um the high school and junior college
[3:18:19] level as these young folks consider how
[3:18:23] to adapt and to take advantage of new uh
[3:18:28] job opportunities in the IT industry at
[3:18:31] large or specifically in the data center
[3:18:34] industry. Um our leadership has a long
[3:18:37] history in learning and development
[3:18:39] throughout the US. Uh so it's really
[3:18:42] something that's genuinely part of our
[3:18:44] DNA as we begin to build out learning
[3:18:46] and development programs that could
[3:18:48] benefit professionals and students here.
[3:18:52] And finally, uh we will be the first of
[3:18:55] its kind in the country uh as a
[3:18:58] developer to proactively engage in a
[3:19:02] development agreement that holds us
[3:19:04] accountable to all of the initiatives
[3:19:07] that we've outlined. um a water use cap.
[3:19:12] Uh no grid connection request ever. Um
[3:19:18] decommissioning plans that make it clear
[3:19:20] as the property owner if things were to
[3:19:23] um implode economically. Uh that allows
[3:19:26] us to have a clear path to decommission.
[3:19:30] Um enforcable noise limits, no diesel
[3:19:33] covenant. um and annual public reporting
[3:19:37] on on all of these development covenants
[3:19:40] that we uh wish to make with with the
[3:19:42] city.
[3:19:45] >> What? Real quick, Jeff, sorry. While
[3:19:47] you're there, what does annual public
[3:19:50] reporting look like to you?
[3:19:53] I think it looks like um an annual
[3:19:56] report that would align with the terms
[3:20:00] of the development agreement that gives
[3:20:03] empiric empir uh empirical data that
[3:20:06] indicates that this was our actual use
[3:20:09] in these categories for example but I
[3:20:11] don't know
[3:20:13] the full structure of that yet but
[3:20:14] that's that's how I see it and I think
[3:20:16] that we would work in concert with uh
[3:20:19] the city legal to develop
[3:20:22] that process.
[3:20:24] >> Jeeoff, I have a question on a side
[3:20:26] note. I don't think it was covered, so
[3:20:28] forgive me if it was, and I know we
[3:20:29] talked about it in our previous meeting,
[3:20:31] but I think our residents would want to
[3:20:32] ask or know whose data are you housing.
[3:20:36] Is it Spanish for residents? Is it the
[3:20:39] American people? Whose data
[3:20:41] >> Yeah.
[3:20:41] >> are you going to have there?
[3:20:43] >> Yeah, that's a great question. So, um,
[3:20:46] the client, uh, that there are a couple
[3:20:49] clients that will likely
[3:20:52] um rent space in in this building. Um
[3:20:58] the names are not well known because
[3:21:01] they're private companies. So for
[3:21:03] example, one of them for reference is
[3:21:05] called Ncale.
[3:21:07] The letter N and the word scale attached
[3:21:10] to it. They provide a software platform
[3:21:14] that does the actual work of uh the
[3:21:18] computer modeling and thinking through
[3:21:22] answers to queries or other uses of AI
[3:21:25] as it comes into these servers. Um
[3:21:32] the additional tenant behind Nscale
[3:21:34] could be a variety of companies, brands
[3:21:36] that we all know well. For example,
[3:21:39] Nvidia could run chips in the building.
[3:21:42] Meta could run chips in the building.
[3:21:44] Google could run chips in the building.
[3:21:48] And those queries uh can be hitting the
[3:21:52] building from as close as Spanish Fork.
[3:21:54] Um and they could be coming up. They
[3:21:57] could be coming from Salt Lake. they
[3:21:59] could be coming from but they will they
[3:22:01] will pull from they they want uh queries
[3:22:06] hitting the building from as close as
[3:22:09] possible that's called inference for
[3:22:11] speed. So um certainly local queries
[3:22:16] will be routing into that building and
[3:22:19] regional queries uh will be routing into
[3:22:22] that building. Uh we do no work with the
[3:22:26] US government. There have been questions
[3:22:28] about surveillance and we don't allow uh
[3:22:32] any inference work in our facility that
[3:22:35] has anything to do with with government
[3:22:37] work or surveillance including any
[3:22:41] private companies that is in the
[3:22:43] business of surveillance
[3:22:45] um
[3:22:47] will not operate in our facilities.
[3:22:50] >> Thank you.
[3:22:50] >> You talked about the electrical grid how
[3:22:52] you don't tie to that. What about what
[3:22:54] about the internet? What about like
[3:22:58] what does that look like from from your
[3:23:00] company side?
[3:23:02] >> Uh meaning our use of electricity.
[3:23:05] >> No, like networking and and everything
[3:23:08] else. Do you do you with the amount of
[3:23:11] data and everything else going through
[3:23:12] there?
[3:23:13] >> Yeah.
[3:23:13] >> What's that pipeline look like?
[3:23:15] >> Okay. So that's a fiber fiber
[3:23:18] engineering upgrade. So we have um a
[3:23:22] design for multiple entry points of um
[3:23:27] high access fiber that are required to
[3:23:29] be able to move this amount of
[3:23:31] throughput.
[3:23:32] >> Yeah.
[3:23:33] >> Um so
[3:23:35] our power systems also power the
[3:23:40] movement of data and fiber moving. So we
[3:23:43] pay for the upgrade just like we pay for
[3:23:46] additional natural gas to come in. We
[3:23:48] pay for a fiber upgrade coming into the
[3:23:52] building as well to facilitate the
[3:23:54] movement of data.
[3:23:55] >> Okay,
[3:23:57] [snorts]
[3:23:58] >> Jeeoff, one thing that we didn't talk
[3:23:59] about, and I don't think we talked about
[3:24:00] it before, is these power cells and
[3:24:05] these air conditioners, because I'm
[3:24:06] assuming that's what is going to be
[3:24:07] cooling the system. Um, what kind of
[3:24:11] heat offput are those putting into the
[3:24:13] area?
[3:24:15] So um
[3:24:18] our design [clears throat] is
[3:24:19] implementing heat capture.
[3:24:22] So um there are parts of this system
[3:24:26] that are designed to capture heat again
[3:24:29] seeking to be as efficient with all
[3:24:31] parts of this engineering as possible.
[3:24:34] That heat capture um in some cases is is
[3:24:37] in the many hundreds of degrees. and
[3:24:40] we're able to use that uh back into our
[3:24:43] system to create energy to power our own
[3:24:46] cooling systems. So um a large portion
[3:24:51] of the heat will never even meet the
[3:24:54] atmosphere. Um but I think for
[3:24:59] um a broader view of overall heat coming
[3:25:02] off the system, we can come back to you
[3:25:04] with with that amount. But again uh in
[3:25:09] the scheme of comparables to engines
[3:25:13] um compressors
[3:25:15] turbines
[3:25:17] um the fuel cell uh throws off very
[3:25:21] modest amount of heat.
[3:25:25] >> You said you'd come back with that
[3:25:26] number. Is that what you said? Sorry.
[3:25:27] >> Yeah.
[3:25:28] >> Jeff, what's Valition's relationship
[3:25:31] with Bloom? Do you lease their
[3:25:32] equipment? Do you purchase their
[3:25:34] equipment?
[3:25:35] Yeah, we're really just a customer. We
[3:25:37] purchase the equipment.
[3:25:38] >> You purchase it.
[3:25:39] >> They have leasing scenarios. Uh for us,
[3:25:42] it makes most sense to own it as our own
[3:25:44] capital equipment and also enter into a
[3:25:47] long-term service agreement with Bloom.
[3:25:50] Um one of the nice things about Bloom is
[3:25:52] that uh you're able to uh service a
[3:25:57] singular unit without having anything
[3:25:59] else go down. So um part of our
[3:26:05] plan with them is that in a five, six or
[3:26:08] sevenyear period when their technology
[3:26:11] is time to be upgraded, we are paying
[3:26:13] for that in advance monthly so that when
[3:26:16] a new technology is required in we think
[3:26:18] seven to eight years, they will schedule
[3:26:21] what ends up being like a year-long swap
[3:26:24] out and retrofit of that equipment. And
[3:26:27] it's built in such a way that you're
[3:26:29] never jeopardizing your overall power
[3:26:31] output as you upgrade the fuel cell.
[3:26:35] >> Jeff, for a center this size, uh 250
[3:26:40] megawws,
[3:26:41] uh just curious if you could walk us
[3:26:44] through a little bit what would the fuel
[3:26:45] cells would look like double stacked,
[3:26:46] how many the view from Highway 6, you
[3:26:48] know, what's the public's perception
[3:26:49] going to be of that if something like
[3:26:50] this were to go in in this location? And
[3:26:53] then my second question is would be I'm
[3:26:56] sure people would be wondering you know
[3:26:59] being downwind right we have big
[3:27:00] windmills up there and especially those
[3:27:03] who you know who are newer to this idea
[3:27:06] um of a center going in like what could
[3:27:08] potentially be harmful or you know being
[3:27:11] downwind.
[3:27:12] >> Yeah makes sense.
[3:27:13] >> Um from a harm standpoint um we don't
[3:27:17] see any harm in being downwind. Um we
[3:27:21] are designing the facility such that any
[3:27:25] equipment that may be on the louder side
[3:27:29] like cooling equipment um or heat
[3:27:33] producing we're engineering on the far
[3:27:37] farther side the roadside the farther
[3:27:40] side um of the building contemplating
[3:27:44] that there are homes that are going to
[3:27:46] be built on what is the west side of
[3:27:50] this building. So, we're engineering
[3:27:54] uh as if those homes were already in
[3:27:57] place from a st a sound standpoint and
[3:28:01] you know if there was any way that heat
[3:28:04] was moving
[3:28:06] uh towards those homes, but all of our
[3:28:09] um indication and seeing these uh units
[3:28:13] running, you know, up to an acre of fuel
[3:28:17] cell field. Um there's never been any
[3:28:22] um measured
[3:28:25] heat movement that was
[3:28:28] you know tangible while you're standing
[3:28:30] next to next to a system. So um and this
[3:28:37] is work that was done by you know by
[3:28:39] Bloom and major companies like Oracle
[3:28:43] major utilities who have purchased
[3:28:46] gigawatts of this fuel cell and
[3:28:49] installed it in different areas
[3:28:51] throughout the US. Um so this is these
[3:28:54] are studies that really kind of predate
[3:28:57] um our work and it's validated that
[3:29:01] there is no there is no major heat
[3:29:04] impact but I am Jesse going to get
[3:29:07] detail on it for you.
[3:29:09] >> When you say 250 megawatts is that per
[3:29:12] day per year like how how often are you
[3:29:14] producing 250 meg?
[3:29:15] >> That's at peak use. So that means that
[3:29:19] if there was a major
[3:29:22] you know uh
[3:29:25] influx of
[3:29:28] robotic query and all kind that that at
[3:29:31] its max we could power 250 megawws for a
[3:29:36] period of time in the facility. The
[3:29:39] expectation is that day in and day out
[3:29:42] it will be running on an average of
[3:29:44] about 75% of capacity.
[3:29:50] Jeff, can you go back to one of your
[3:29:53] first slides where you asked the
[3:29:55] questions that get asked?
[3:29:58] I think these areas was it one more
[3:30:04] that one.
[3:30:05] >> Anyway, you asked the questions. It's one before the video, wasn't it?
[3:30:09] >> Yeah, I think first
[3:30:11] >> right there. Um just to give you a sense
[3:30:15] of how I am planning to evaluate the
[3:30:17] decision. Um and I think we need to talk
[3:30:20] about what our decision is and where we
[3:30:22] make it. Is it on do we allow the power
[3:30:24] be generated there or do we allow
[3:30:28] the data center to be there as a land
[3:30:29] use? So I think we need to figure that
[3:30:31] out a little bit. However, for me, not
[3:30:34] speaking for the rest of my colleagues,
[3:30:36] these are the questions, right? Um
[3:30:38] electricity you're going to generate on
[3:30:40] site. You're not going to do anything.
[3:30:41] You're not going to touch our grid.
[3:30:42] You're not going to add to or subtract
[3:30:43] from our grid. So, I get that water.
[3:30:45] What I want to see is you've showed the
[3:30:48] numbers what you're going to use, what
[3:30:50] they use today.
[3:30:52] What how big is this site?
[3:30:57] >> The building itself is a million square
[3:30:58] feet.
[3:30:58] >> 1 million square feet on 25 acres.
[3:31:01] >> About 25 acres.
[3:31:03] >> So, if it was R
[3:31:06] >> 112 there would be 60ish homes there.
[3:31:10] Let's just do the math. 25 times roughly
[3:31:14] 2.6 homes on an R12.
[3:31:16] >> So yeah, 65 to 70 houses.
[3:31:19] >> What I'm going to do in my calculations,
[3:31:21] I'm going to say, what does it do today?
[3:31:23] What if it was a data center? And what
[3:31:24] if it was homes? Because in my head,
[3:31:26] those are things that the public can
[3:31:28] understand. And I want to answer each
[3:31:29] one of these questions. How much
[3:31:31] electricity, how much water, how much
[3:31:32] noise, and how much air quality is for
[3:31:34] those three scenarios.
[3:31:36] um the information you have provided so
[3:31:38] far
[3:31:40] looks like the least impact from all
[3:31:43] four of those is from your project now
[3:31:48] I think there's going to be some
[3:31:49] skeptics in the world that don't believe
[3:31:52] those numbers
[3:31:53] >> there will be
[3:31:54] >> right um and so I want to be as clear as
[3:31:56] I possibly can about my expectations
[3:31:59] from you you give me those things and I
[3:32:01] think you have in essence given me all
[3:32:04] of them um I that say that is your
[3:32:06] public hearing, put them on the board.
[3:32:08] This is our water consumption. This is
[3:32:10] what what 60 homes would use in a given
[3:32:14] year. It's significantly less what
[3:32:16] you're proposing than 60 residential
[3:32:18] homes. And we wouldn't be having this
[3:32:19] conversation at all about water or heat
[3:32:23] or air or anything if this was a 60 unit
[3:32:28] residential community. We'd want to know
[3:32:30] what the what it looked like and and how
[3:32:33] many trucks or traffic was. It's so
[3:32:35] fascinating that we're to this point,
[3:32:37] but rightly so because of some botched
[3:32:40] um outreach other places. However, I
[3:32:43] think if we can if we can put up in
[3:32:45] black and white, here are the actual
[3:32:47] facts, here are the numbers behind all
[3:32:48] of this, I think it'll make my job a lot
[3:32:51] easier to come to make a decision
[3:32:53] factual based instead of, you know,
[3:32:57] subjection subject subjectively.
[3:33:00] Whoa, what time is it tonight? Um, so if
[3:33:03] you could do that for me, put those just
[3:33:05] directly in front of my face.
[3:33:08] >> Here are the numbers.
[3:33:10] >> Um, we're going to hold you accountable
[3:33:11] to those numbers if you do get approved
[3:33:13] and move forward. Right. And I think
[3:33:15] that annual update about what it looks
[3:33:17] like. It was a great question. I'm not
[3:33:19] sure if Kevin or It was a great
[3:33:21] question. What does that look like? Will
[3:33:22] you come before us and say here's what
[3:33:24] we used? Here's what we generated. All
[3:33:25] of those things. And I think one thing
[3:33:27] you're missing on here is what is the
[3:33:29] benefit to the city? You do show that on
[3:33:31] your slide. Um, currently the property
[3:33:34] value, I looked it up, is valued at $50
[3:33:36] million. Um, the tax difference between
[3:33:40] 50 million and 4 billion is a
[3:33:42] significant number, a significant
[3:33:44] benefit to the county, to the Neville
[3:33:46] school district, to the city itself. And
[3:33:48] so there is some positive upside. Um,
[3:33:50] taking 3600 trucks off the system every
[3:33:53] single day or once a yearly is a big
[3:33:56] deal. So, I think the case can be made,
[3:33:58] but I need to see them in black and
[3:34:00] white so that when someone stops me at
[3:34:02] May and says, "What the have you done?"
[3:34:05] I want to be able to say, "Look, here
[3:34:07] are our options. You tell me what's the
[3:34:10] least impactful and most beneficial to
[3:34:11] the city."
[3:34:12] >> Shane, one one thing we talked about in
[3:34:14] a prior meeting
[3:34:16] that when you get people to get on and
[3:34:18] say you're liars or they're liars that
[3:34:21] you don't believe them, the water,
[3:34:22] they're going to use a lot more water
[3:34:24] than that.
[3:34:25] >> [snorts]
[3:34:25] >> One way that we've discussed about the
[3:34:28] water is, and we can have our our
[3:34:31] engineers discuss this as well. If they
[3:34:34] were a user that was going to use 650
[3:34:36] million, was that the number that I saw,
[3:34:39] of gallons of water a year, would they
[3:34:42] need to improve the infrastructure?
[3:34:44] Would they need to increase the pipes to
[3:34:46] be able to bring in that much water?
[3:34:48] More than likely, yes, they would need
[3:34:50] to. And from our understanding and part
[3:34:52] of the development agreement is that
[3:34:54] there won't be increased water pipes as
[3:34:57] far as the size.
[3:34:57] >> You can't get the water there.
[3:34:58] So even
[3:35:00] if they needed 650 million, they can't
[3:35:04] get the water there. You're not going to
[3:35:05] build something that you can't service
[3:35:08] and and provide your customers what they
[3:35:10] need. And so that's one way to show or
[3:35:13] tell somebody, you know, they're lying
[3:35:15] about the water. Well, if they're lying
[3:35:16] about it, then they're going to struggle
[3:35:18] because they're not getting the water
[3:35:19] that you claim they're going to need.
[3:35:21] >> Yeah, that's a that's a key point and
[3:35:23] it's one of the one of the top level
[3:35:25] kind of lowhanging
[3:35:27] answers to consider is that if we are
[3:35:31] not requesting any additional water than
[3:35:34] is currently permitted,
[3:35:36] then we're not a threat to
[3:35:40] excessive water use. And to your point,
[3:35:43] um, our company, our investors would
[3:35:47] never,
[3:35:48] um, approve the investment of this scale
[3:35:52] into something that would require us to
[3:35:55] then come back and do some kind of bait
[3:35:56] and switch where we actually needed more
[3:35:59] water.
[3:36:00] >> So, that is not a thing.
[3:36:02] >> Um, but I do want to help
[3:36:07] bucket these a little bit better for
[3:36:09] you.
[3:36:09] >> Thank you. Appreciate that. Okay.
[3:36:11] >> Councilman Marshall maybe on
[3:36:14] >> it's me.
[3:36:17] » I was talking. [laughter]
[3:36:20] >> Not again.
[3:36:23] >> Okay.
[3:36:24] >> Water usage, power usage, even maybe
[3:36:27] like trips per day per home. We have
[3:36:30] those numbers. So that part of what you
[3:36:34] described and that you want to see I
[3:36:36] feel I mean I not that I don't trust
[3:36:38] Jeff but I would
[3:36:39] >> yeah
[3:36:41] I don't
[3:36:41] >> so we could work with them and we can
[3:36:43] say hey use these numbers for that.
[3:36:46] >> It's you know you can you could Google
[3:36:47] it. You could have chat do it and it
[3:36:49] would come up with some ballpark
[3:36:51] estimates. I mean when Mike said what's
[3:36:53] five tons I'm like what's the let me let
[3:36:55] me figure that out.
[3:36:56] >> Let me use that data center to figure it
[3:36:58] out.
[3:36:58] >> Yep. Yeah, we can use that
[3:36:59] [clears throat] data center. But I
[3:37:00] appreciate that, Dave. Like I think that
[3:37:02] is the context that will help
[3:37:05] >> frame the argument one way or the other.
[3:37:08] >> The the part Yeah, I think that's a
[3:37:10] great point in that when we talk
[3:37:12] thousands of gallons of water, well, we
[3:37:15] think of the gallon jug that we just got
[3:37:17] and thousands. That's a lot. Well,
[3:37:20] [snorts] uses five million gallons right
[3:37:22] now per year, right? And so we're trying
[3:37:25] to use these ton these words tons and
[3:37:27] gallons and thousands of this stuff. And
[3:37:30] when you put it in those
[3:37:32] the context of it is what is super
[3:37:35] important of of of how that levels with
[3:37:38] what's currently used. Um,
[3:37:41] my summary of of of maybe looking at
[3:37:44] something like this is echoing what
[3:37:47] what's been said here already, but not
[3:37:50] hooked to our power, but hooked to our
[3:37:53] water in a way that you have the rights
[3:37:55] to to water and you're proposing to lo
[3:37:58] use a lot less. So, considerably less
[3:38:00] than currently used there and and other
[3:38:03] facilities certainly of that size. And
[3:38:06] you are hooked. We wouldn't call it our
[3:38:08] natural gas. It's not our natural gas,
[3:38:10] but we are natural gas customers. All of
[3:38:12] us residents are natural gas customers.
[3:38:15] I think it's a a part that's maybe not
[3:38:17] touched here, but that's where that's
[3:38:20] where you're going to start that
[3:38:21] generation of power. And so if if I
[3:38:23] don't know, which I just don't know, uh
[3:38:27] is you using that much natural gas going
[3:38:31] to take away from the natural gas that I
[3:38:33] use? I pay a bill, you pay a bill, your
[3:38:36] bill is going to be considerably larger,
[3:38:38] but is there enough out there that it
[3:38:40] doesn't and and again,
[3:38:43] I'm saying this in a way that I'm being
[3:38:45] a little rhetorical with it because
[3:38:46] there wouldn't be that many billions of
[3:38:48] dollars invested if they didn't think
[3:38:50] there was a source that could be
[3:38:52] continually run to run those
[3:38:54] >> run those machines that power this.
[3:38:57] >> Uh but still in my mind as the resident
[3:39:00] would be you're taking a lot of natural
[3:39:02] gas. Is there enough natural gas for the
[3:39:04] rest of us? And I'm sure that's
[3:39:06] something that your who who you're
[3:39:08] buying that from is going to say that
[3:39:11] too. Um and and so some reassurance
[3:39:14] there that's probably in permits or
[3:39:16] documents or something that says
[3:39:19] >> we'd be h happy to and it's um yeah the difference between natural gas as a
[3:39:25] resource compared to electricity from
[3:39:28] the grid as a resource are miles apart
[3:39:32] in their availability. That doesn't mean
[3:39:35] that natural gas. We are projected to
[3:39:38] see natural gas over the next 10 years
[3:39:41] um nationwide
[3:39:43] have some incremental increase because
[3:39:46] of the additional use of natural gas for
[3:39:49] systems like this. In the short term, uh
[3:39:53] there's there is no incremental impact
[3:39:55] to the rateayers
[3:39:57] uh of natural gas at all. But let us
[3:40:00] hope you document see that in in
[3:40:02] something documented.
[3:40:05] Jeff, is there you in your video, I
[3:40:08] think it was, you talked about the data
[3:40:10] centers that you guys have built. Um, is
[3:40:12] there an example of one anywhere that we
[3:40:14] could see like pictures of or is it like
[3:40:16] I that's just a question I had. Sorry.
[3:40:19] >> But [snorts] no, the closest facility
[3:40:21] similar to this is here in Utah, NOVA.
[3:40:25] in that they utilize a large portion of
[3:40:29] the Bloom fuel cell both as backup power
[3:40:32] and primary power. So we have Bloom
[3:40:36] running extremely successfully here in
[3:40:39] Utah. While it's not under the Valition
[3:40:41] brand, um it is the exact same team of
[3:40:46] uh general contractor and engineering
[3:40:49] that is building our facility.
[3:40:52] >> Thank you, Von. This is a question for
[3:40:54] you. Um I know you're you're ready for a
[3:40:56] question tonight. So Jeff talked about
[3:41:00] he's the first uh or Valition is the
[3:41:02] first to do a development agreement of
[3:41:04] this kind at least for this industry.
[3:41:06] One of the things that you see often or
[3:41:09] we've seen increasingly we'll say that
[3:41:11] is data centers saying something and
[3:41:14] then they come back and they sue the
[3:41:15] city for something different. If we do
[3:41:18] this development agreement is that
[3:41:20] protect the city? What does that look
[3:41:21] like? And then how does that stand up in
[3:41:23] court?
[3:41:25] I know it's pretty loaded.
[3:41:32] » Oh, it is working again. That that he
[3:41:34] outlined in the in the presentation. So,
[3:41:37] um those will be metrics and if they
[3:41:40] don't reach them, then they're in breach
[3:41:41] of the agreement. So, that gives us a
[3:41:44] cause of action against that. So, yeah,
[3:41:47] I think it's enforceable for sure. So,
[3:41:50] it's just kind of dependent on how we
[3:41:52] >> put that together.
[3:41:52] >> What types of remedies are are provided
[3:41:54] in the agreement and and how we're going
[3:41:56] to pursue those.
[3:41:58] >> And then, sorry, I have lots of random
[3:42:01] questions. I apologize.
[3:42:02] >> Maybe Jesse, before you go off of that,
[3:42:03] I think for me, one of the things that I've really appreciated [snorts]
[3:42:08] in their proposal is this idea of a
[3:42:10] development agreement. We don't have a
[3:42:11] template for that, like in terms of how
[3:42:14] to have a development agreement with a
[3:42:15] data center. So, I would look to them to
[3:42:18] start that. Like, what are you going to
[3:42:19] propose and what protections and and I'd
[3:42:21] look to their attorney to to propose
[3:42:23] that and work that through and then we
[3:42:24] can measure that against what we're
[3:42:26] comfortable with, you know, what they're
[3:42:27] saying here tonight. I think, you know,
[3:42:29] Jeff's doing a good job of trying to
[3:42:32] identify what uh, you know, where they'd
[3:42:34] like to put the lines in the sand, but
[3:42:36] you know, they'll do that with that
[3:42:37] contract. And I think we we look at
[3:42:39] those issues that you're mentioning and
[3:42:41] weigh it against, you know, that
[3:42:42] language and I think you Von can
[3:42:44] certainly do that.
[3:42:46] But we'll look to them to to propose
[3:42:48] what that looks like because we don't
[3:42:49] have
[3:42:51] >> we don't have the beginnings of that
[3:42:52] template. Right.
[3:42:53] >> Thank you. This might be I don't know if
[3:42:54] this is a Von or a Dave question as I
[3:42:57] look at the code right or the zoning for
[3:42:59] the site currently is I1
[3:43:02] does and I don't see in the use of I1
[3:43:05] obviously we don't have data center in
[3:43:06] title 15.
[3:43:08] Does this fit? Do we have to do a
[3:43:10] different type of amendment for a data
[3:43:12] center? There's already been an
[3:43:14] application submitted for text change to
[3:43:17] specifically list data center and that
[3:43:19] has been considered by the DRC and it's
[3:43:22] going to planning commission.
[3:43:24] >> So is that a separate title 15 change to
[3:43:27] what we're talking about with um self
[3:43:28] power or self or is it in the same
[3:43:31] >> they're in the same they're in the same
[3:43:33] application?
[3:43:33] >> Same application. Okay. So that's the
[3:43:35] one that's going to plantation tomorrow.
[3:43:37] Okay.
[3:43:40] I
[3:43:40] >> think that's the questions I had right
[3:43:41] now.
[3:43:45] again a a discussion item uh on the
[3:43:48] agenda and we appreciate you you being
[3:43:51] uh here to to to have that discussion
[3:43:54] and have these questions um those
[3:43:58] so far see if you can get an extra date
[3:44:01] on the calendar but August 13th and
[3:44:03] August 14th will be here before we know
[3:44:05] it and we'll be able to help you put
[3:44:07] those things out if if you'd like. Um,
[3:44:10] so so people that want to ask questions
[3:44:12] can come ask questions.
[3:44:13] >> That'd be great. Do you recommend that
[3:44:14] we add a Saturday or that we move the
[3:44:17] Friday to or or we do a Friday early in
[3:44:20] the day and a Saturday?
[3:44:22] >> I'd love to see a Saturday. I think that
[3:44:24] would be
[3:44:25] >> Okay.
[3:44:25] >> Yeah, I would prioritize a Saturday as
[3:44:27] far as the other two. My opinion, the
[3:44:29] more the marrier. If you can do a
[3:44:31] Thursday, Friday, Saturday, great.
[3:44:32] >> Well, yeah, let's debate that a little
[3:44:34] bit. Do you really want to come to a
[3:44:36] meeting on a Saturday or would you
[3:44:37] rather like a Thursday night? Well,
[3:44:40] you're saying you're still a human
[3:44:41] being. So, you're saying values your
[3:44:43] Saturdays.
[3:44:44] >> So, maybe a Thursday afternoon and a
[3:44:46] Friday evening.
[3:44:47] >> Well, you
[3:44:47] >> Okay.
[3:44:48] >> Friday evening is
[3:44:49] >> How long has it been since you were a
[3:44:50] teenager? Come on. Friday.
[3:44:52] >> Thursday evening, a Friday [laughter]
[3:44:53] afternoon.
[3:44:55] >> Sorry. I'm not trying to be too snarky.
[3:44:56] Obviously, I'm trying to be a little
[3:44:57] snarky.
[3:44:58] >> I think a mixture of all of them would
[3:45:00] actually be the best, right? Something
[3:45:02] in the middle of the day, something in
[3:45:03] the evening, and something on Saturday.
[3:45:04] I think that you've tried to encapsulate
[3:45:06] the group of people that are going to
[3:45:07] come.
[3:45:07] >> Yeah. I just I don't know what kind of
[3:45:10] experience you'd get on a Saturday. So,
[3:45:12] I'm looking to you not as
[3:45:13] >> what I know we will get if we don't
[3:45:15] offer something is you're not
[3:45:17] transparent enough.
[3:45:19] >> Yeah. Those
[3:45:19] >> 10 to 10 to two.
[3:45:21] >> Yeah. We'd rather air on that side of
[3:45:22] it. I think a Friday afternoon might
[3:45:25] make sense if people have finished with
[3:45:27] sports and different things. And so,
[3:45:30] we're happy to do Thursday, Friday, and
[3:45:31] Saturday. The only limitations in the
[3:45:34] evening on Thursday and Friday was just
[3:45:36] the actual buildings. Sure.
[3:45:38] >> So, let's look at a few different spaces
[3:45:40] and and maybe we reach out to the Nebo
[3:45:42] School District to see if they have a
[3:45:44] space or two that could be used
[3:45:46] >> as well. Like I don't think the location
[3:45:49] matters as long as it's a space that can
[3:45:51] be
[3:45:52] >> Yeah, we looked at the
[3:45:53] >> the library. We looked at this iit
[3:45:56] facility.
[3:45:58] >> Does that make sense?
[3:46:00] >> City in this new
[3:46:01] >> city. Was it
[3:46:02] >> in our in our city?
[3:46:04] >> Oh, the fit the fit city. the city
[3:46:06] community center.
[3:46:07] >> Yeah.
[3:46:08] >> Got it wrong. [snorts] Yeah. We Why
[3:46:10] don't we We'll just have somebody reach
[3:46:12] out to you tomorrow and work on those
[3:46:14] dates and try to write pick some times.
[3:46:18] >> Probably
[3:46:20] Thursday evening, Friday afternoon, and
[3:46:22] something on Saturday. And yeah, and
[3:46:24] we'll expect Shane to be there every
[3:46:26] single Saturday.
[3:46:27] >> Not every single time, just a Saturday.
[3:46:30] [laughter]
[3:46:30] Yeah.
[3:46:32] >> And when is this when is this planned to
[3:46:34] be on the city council agenda?
[3:46:37] >> Uh potentially the text we talked about
[3:46:40] could be on the agenda for your next
[3:46:41] meeting.
[3:46:43] >> Two weeks from today
[3:46:44] >> potentially. Yeah.
[3:46:45] >> It will be on the planning commission's
[3:46:47] agenda. It is on their agenda tomorrow.
[3:46:49] >> Correct.
[3:46:50] >> And that's a public hearing discussion.
[3:46:51] >> Yes.
[3:46:52] >> Yeah. And and depending on how that
[3:46:55] goes, we would expect the 18th to be a
[3:46:58] public hearing.
[3:46:59] uh on the item just the same
[3:47:03] and then you would consider it from
[3:47:05] there.
[3:47:08] >> I think uh I didn't know that um Rage
[3:47:10] Against the Machine was going to come
[3:47:12] full circle tonight. I'm glad it has,
[3:47:14] but I think that uh we can we can take
[3:47:17] that here in the in the context of uh
[3:47:23] that was something that that got out of
[3:47:25] hand pretty quick. Uh, and it's a
[3:47:27] different era of of of 30 years ago for
[3:47:30] sure. But we immediately went to the
[3:47:33] worst case scenario of what was going to
[3:47:35] happen for some some teenagers to come
[3:47:38] jump around and listen to rock and roll
[3:47:40] music. And then we had the best case
[3:47:42] scenario that what they were going to
[3:47:43] come help all the old ladies across the
[3:47:45] street. It was probably somewhere in
[3:47:46] between. Uh, and
[3:47:48] >> did you help anybody across the street
[3:47:49] that day? I didn't help anybody, but uh
[3:47:52] you know they uh I I think I think in
[3:47:56] circumstances like this it it behooves
[3:47:59] and we're this way anyway in Spanish
[3:48:00] Fork. I hope you guys have felt it and
[3:48:02] everybody watching here can feel it.
[3:48:03] We're try to have level heads on our
[3:48:06] shoulders and get the data, get the get
[3:48:08] the facts um and then and then discuss
[3:48:10] those so we can so we can come to a a
[3:48:14] conclusion that um that is beneficial.
[3:48:16] And so, um, appreciate all the all the
[3:48:20] information. Appreciate you taking the
[3:48:22] time and appreciate you being willing to
[3:48:24] have the public come do that, too. But I
[3:48:26] think it's incumbent on all of us to to
[3:48:28] do like we always do and and get that
[3:48:30] data, try to answer some questions. And
[3:48:32] when you don't know the answer to some
[3:48:34] questions, let's figure it out. I'll bet
[3:48:36] none of us knew tonight that it was the
[3:48:37] average was half a million gallons in
[3:48:40] our own house of of water, but now we
[3:48:42] do. and uh and so we can we can we can
[3:48:46] help put those in all context. So,
[3:48:49] >> thank you.
[3:48:50] >> Yes. Thank you.
[3:48:50] >> Anything else you want to finish?
[3:48:51] >> No, nothing else. I just uh appreciate
[3:48:53] the work that we've done together at
[3:48:55] this point. However it lands, I want to
[3:48:56] ensure
[3:48:58] uh that you know our approach and the
[3:49:00] conversations with the community is uh
[3:49:02] there will be no there will be no
[3:49:04] agitation. you know, uh we're not going
[3:49:07] to be there to argue anything with
[3:49:08] anybody other than to present
[3:49:10] information and if others if there are
[3:49:13] folks who are upset or you know that's
[3:49:14] okay. There won't be any uh it they'll
[3:49:18] all be really good conversations um from
[3:49:20] our standpoints. We look forward to it.
[3:49:22] >> Appreciate it, Jeff.
[3:49:22] >> Okay. Thank you so much.
[3:49:24] >> Thanks a lot.
[3:49:25] >> Thank you.
[3:49:27] >> Hey, I got to give you some context
[3:49:29] because you you please challenge me.
[3:49:30] >> Context. Good.
[3:49:31] >> I see in OR in Provo, the big hospital.
[3:49:34] >> Yes. 5.4 tons of nitro of NOX a year.
[3:49:40] >> They generate just over
[3:49:43] Dang it. Now I can't see it. Do you want
[3:49:45] my readers please?
[3:49:47] >> Point
[3:49:49] Listen Peanut Gallery.
[3:49:52] >> Come on. Um PM2.5.8.
[3:49:56] These guys were re something like 0.5.
[3:49:58] So that's the type of context the
[3:50:00] hospital in Orum or Provo generates
[3:50:03] about the same sort of emissions.
[3:50:05] >> Y
[3:50:06] >> So FYI,
[3:50:07] >> good stuff. Good stuff. Let's let's
[3:50:09] gather those data points and be able to
[3:50:10] put it in context to make an educated Y
[3:50:13] >> decision should it come in in front of
[3:50:15] us.
[3:50:16] >> Appreciate that. Um I don't think we
[3:50:19] have any other discussion items before
[3:50:21] adjouring to close session. We do have
[3:50:22] close session and some items on there
[3:50:24] tonight, right?
[3:50:25] >> Yep.
[3:50:26] >> Anything else before that?
[3:50:27] >> Okay. to entertain a motion.
[3:50:28] >> I move to adjourn to close meeting for
[3:50:30] strategy sessions to discuss pending or
[3:50:32] reasonable imminent litigation or
[3:50:33] strategy sessions to discuss the sale of
[3:50:35] real estate or real property including
[3:50:37] any form of water right shares per Utah
[3:50:40] code 52-4-205
[3:50:42] in the explorer room.
[3:50:44] >> Motion made by Councilman Carden.
[3:50:47] >> Second by Councilman Tuk to adjourn to
[3:50:50] close meeting. All in favor say yes.
[3:50:52] >> Yes.
[3:50:52] >> We're adjourned to close session. Thank
[3:50:54] you all for coming.