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All right, welcome everyone to our city

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planning commission meeting. We're so

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glad you're here.

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I have asked Commissioner Carol if she

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will

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lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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>> Please join me in the pledge of

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allegiance.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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» Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> We

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said goodbye to our chair,

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Commissioner

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Todd Mitchell last meeting and so this

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meeting we welcome our newest

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commissioner who is

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our Spanish Fork friend, Darren

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Miller.

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>> Yes.

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>> We're glad you're here.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Okay.

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Our first item on the agenda tonight is

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the adoption of our minutes from our

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July meeting. Do I have a motion?

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>> I'll make a motion we accept the

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minutes.

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>> And a second?

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>> I'll second.

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>> All in favor?

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>> Aye.

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>> Any opposed?

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That is

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passed unanimously.

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>> [snorts]

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>> All right.

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Our next item

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to consider a preliminary plat, Leland

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Meadows preliminary plat.

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And this will be a public hearing which

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I will probably need a reminder for as I

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continue to charge into

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair. What we might

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do, if it's okay with you, is I'll

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present for both

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the preliminary plat as well as the

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associated zone change and then like you

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indicated we'll hold a public hearing

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for the plat with a motion and then a

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public hearing for the zone change with

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a separate motion.

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>> Great.

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>> And all of the items tonight on your

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agenda, it looks like we do have public

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hearings for each item.

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Um and these should all be

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recommendations that you would be making

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to the city council.

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Uh thank you for being here tonight. Um

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as you mentioned this first item is a

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preliminary plat. This is for

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a proposed master plan development. Um

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we do have the

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applicant and the applicant's engineer

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uh with us. We'll invite them up in a in

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a moment to answer any questions as well

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as present additional information for

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their proposal.

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>> This is the area that we're Oh, sorry,

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go back one slide.

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This is the area that we're looking at.

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it's in Leland.

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It stretches from uh 1700 West. You can

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see on the west boundary over to Mill

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Road. The areas that are outlined in

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yellow are the properties that are are

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participating in the the proposed

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subdivision.

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once again we're looking here. Um

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the zoning is shown on the left it's all

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rural rural resident residential, excuse

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me.

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and so hence the need for the zone

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change to apply the base zoning as well

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as the master plan development. On the

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right you can see the general plan as

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it's adopted by the city council

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um estate density and medium density uh

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residential.

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this shows how the zoning would be a

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pra- applied to the property, excuse me.

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Um the portion that's along Mill Road

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would be the larger R115 lots. So those

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are lots that average 15,000 square feet

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um there's a master plan road that would

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ultimately curve. Um

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housing product proposed around that

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area is an R16. Um

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the applicant refers to them as a garden

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product that's uh on a shared drive way.

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that was something that he he proposed

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over something like a traditional

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townhome unit, which would also kind of

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fall in that similar density range.

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preliminary plat as well as a zone

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change. Um total in this uh subdivision

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as shown is 206

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residential units. Um the breakdown

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an average that's over 15,000 as

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required by city code.

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which is permitted by the master plan

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development. Um and that range is uh

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majority of the lots is 10,000 to 30,000

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square feet. And then we do have

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two larger lots. This one here

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and this one here that have existing uh

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residences on them.

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So, this is showing a This is a

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rendering provided by the applicant

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the project. Uh part of this project

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land swap with an Evo school district, a

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future elementary school, I believe. Um

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which is shown here.

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view of the plat. Um

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the general plan calls for a density

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range of 1 to 2.5 homes per acre. These

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it's 1.69 units to the acre.

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proposes four to eight homes per acre.

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phase would start off of Mill Road.

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As required with with a master plan

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development, the applicant has to

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provide a street tree plan. What this

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granted we either have a financial

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guarantee to install street trees or

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those street trees need to be

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um installed so that they

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uh the the goal is that they grow

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uniformly, and you have uh

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a common species called out for each

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individual street. Let's go to the next slide.

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This is just showing an overall view of

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the landscaping that would be provided

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for the garden homes, and then some of

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the detention basins. Um and then this

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large area here

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um is slated to be a city park.

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>> A lot of on that city park, I assume

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that will be the city will own that that

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these details would get finalized with

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final plot as it goes through in phases.

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that would need to be improved before

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it's turned over to the city. Let's go

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Um this is a conceptual idea of of the

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park. Let's go to the next slide.

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Um this is the garden homes proposal.

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So you'd have in this case six units

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off of a a common drive. You'd have

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parking there within and then each of

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square feet. Each of those units

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has a footprint that they can build out

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to which is 33 feet wide by 43 feet

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drive arrangement. You can see their

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proposed setbacks there. The 20 feet

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off-street parking in the driveway as

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arrangement. You'd have a exterior fence

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fencing that would kind of divide

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uh some of the common maintained areas

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out in front versus uh the areas for

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each residence to the rear.

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>> Right here.

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>> This parking

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guest parking, is that what I assume or

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what is this provision for?

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>> So, the assumption is two parking spaces

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per unit within the garage?

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>> Okay. What's the situation for parking

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you'd have parking allowed on both sides

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of the street. Um with this proposal, I

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don't believe there's any proposed

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on-street parking to meet the

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um a portion of the parking be met

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with on-street parking, but that is not

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what is proposed here.

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Dean, if you want to come up so we can

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catch on the microphone.

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>> Okay.

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We can ask him during his time.

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>> Okay.

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Yeah, we

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>> Then we'll ask you in its time.

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Yeah.

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» Um

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any other questions? That was a good

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question.

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>> Continue. Thanks for Let me pause you

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there.

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>> Um let's go to the next slide. These

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next few slides

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um these are

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housing uh elevations that were provided

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by the applicant.

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Um

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we also have a video fly-through that

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was provided by the applicant. We'll

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invite Dean up to walk

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um through that with you.

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Um this would be the product that would

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be in the garden homes uh cluster. Let's

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go to the next slide. Just different

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roof types, materials, colors. Next

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slide.

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Uh few more.

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Um and then the standard residential

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lots

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um in the R115.

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The notable changes

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well, not notable, but the

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slight changes, for instance, on the

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side setback, um they're proposing 7 and

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1/2 on both sides for a total of 15 um

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versus 10 and 10.

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Um

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majority of those lots are over 100 ft

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in width and 100 ft in depth.

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Um so, we don't necessarily see that

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there would be a concern with those setback configurations. Let's

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go to the next slide.

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These are some of the

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I think this was part of the garden

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homes, but these are some of the

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um elevations provided uh that arrive

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homes would would build on the

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traditional lots. Let's go to the next

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slide.

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Two and three car garage options. With

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the master plan development, we do have

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some

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uh minor requirements as it comes to

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materials.

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Um you can see a lot of these

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are uh cement base, whether it's hardy

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board hardy board siding, stucco,

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>> [clears throat]

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>> uh brick, stone. Um there's also a roof

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pitch requirement.

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Many of those are standard in the

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development community today, but we do

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have that requirement kick in uh with the master plan development

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request, and those

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are looked at uh closely with the

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building permits. Let's go to the next

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slide.

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Here's just a few more. Uh next slide.

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One more.

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Okay, so before we uh turn the time over

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to Dean, um

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we're happy to answer any questions that

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you've gotten, and obviously Dean and uh

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his engineering team can happily answer

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any questions. You also have

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um then at that point we do have we can

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go over the recommendation from the

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development review committee.

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Um and then we would request the two

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separate public hearings with the two

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separate motions for both

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uh

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the master plan development preliminary

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plat as well as the zone change.

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Any questions for me at this time?

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>> I think I have just one and I John

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Manion Hall's not here. He'd be mad at

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me if I didn't ask about the irrigation

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cuz I know you're going to go through

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fields.

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I'm assuming we've got everything tied

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up with the other farms so that it's not

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going to be affected.

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>> That is actually something Byron be

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happy to address as well as the

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applicant.

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Yeah.

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>> Yeah, they've um

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their engineers sent us emails that

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they've gone back and forth with the

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irrigation company John Ludlow.

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Um and they've submitted to they use

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Franzin the irrigation company uses

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Franzin engineering. So they'll have

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that submittal. It's not fully designed.

391
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It's not approved yet until we get into

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final but they've started those

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conversations. They've met them in the

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field. They've been having talks at

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least.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> I have a question. Brandon, I you sent

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us some photos of some of the

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uh garden

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home styles of when you went to visit a

401
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one of the developments that was in

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progress.

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And they I'm I'm wondering if you could

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put those

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is there a way for you to put those up

406
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cuz they looked a little bit different

407
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than the ones that were submitted by

408
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>> They do look a a little different. That

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was a project in Salem. I'd be happy to

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let Dean speak to that. Um we weren't

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familiar with the concept when he first

412
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presented it to staff so we asked areas

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in the valley where it's being built.

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Um the Salem was under construction. I

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apologize those pictures were taken back

416
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in April.

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And so it's more complete

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now if you did have a chance to drive

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by, but we just wanted to share those

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pictures

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um with you just to kind of give you an

422
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idea.

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These are the pictures that we're

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talking about.

425
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>> Yeah.

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>> again, this is in Salem,

427
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um

428
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slightly different

429
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arrangement. I believe these are four

430
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>> Yeah, and most

431
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>> um

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>> lay on four, but these are differently.

433
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These have basements.

434
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Um so they're just two stories.

435
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A little bit different layout. I really

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like the what we're going with on the

437
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three stories. Um and I'll go over that

438
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with you guys.

439
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>> Okay.

440
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>> Say what the benefit of that is.

441
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It's kind of what the same as our

442
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benefit on our town homes. We do an

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interesting thing we really like.

444
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>> Great. Okay.

445
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» Thank you. Any other questions

446
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>> one more. Um so there's a neat proposed

447
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swap with Nebo School District of lands.

448
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What's the status of

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>> Yes.

450
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>> We reached out to the school district

451
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and they confirmed that it is still a

452
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viable option.

453
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>> So we got the the feel good stuff, the

454
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worst things

455
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So you say viable option, does that

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means

457
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>> They've considered

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>> odds are it's going to happen or

459
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>> I can't speak for the board, but they

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definitely have had a presentation and

461
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discussions with the applicant.

462
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>> We've had

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uh regular

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conversations with

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the

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management team at the

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Nebo School District. Um we regularly

468
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meet with them several times a year.

469
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This project and its progress has come

470
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up repeatedly over the course of the

471
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past few years. As some of you know,

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this has been in the works for for quite

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a while.

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And um

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the superintendent and others have

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expressed the anticipation of the trade

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happening,

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but they don't want to go down that path

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until the project has been approved by

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Spanish Fork City. So, they I think are

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committed and invested in the concept,

482
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but won't take any action until the city

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has.

484
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>> Well, and I I ought to disclose that I

485
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am a member of the Nebo School Board.

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Uh

487
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and also say that uh I

488
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I've not been in any of those

489
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conversations that staff has had with

490
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city

491
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um and uh

492
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and so at those things don't usually

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come up until it's

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been until it's a lot more clo- close to

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a decision happening. The our staff vets

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uh

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vets everything really well before they

498
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bring it to the board. So, those are not

499
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things conversations that I have been

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part of.

501
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>> Sorry, Commissioner Woodhouse.

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Um I should have mentioned this a second

503
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ago, but condition for with the

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preliminary plat

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addresses, I believe, what you're the

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concern you're raising, and that is that

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the Nebo School District approves the

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proposed land swap to accommodate the

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proposed development. So, obviously, if

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they don't approve that, then this

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wouldn't move forward in the in the

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configuration that you're seeing.

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>> Right.

514
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Yeah, I

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>> [snorts]

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>> I read that. I was just curious why they

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would

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go through all this

519
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knowing that it could be tabled and not

520
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happen.

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If the If the

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district doesn't

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decide they don't want to do the swap,

524
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it's more beneficial for them to keep

525
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the property they have.

526
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>> I can share some history to that, too.

527
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That's

528
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>> Yeah. Okay.

529
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>> [snorts]

530
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>> And our understanding,

531
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I'm looking at our development director,

532
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our understanding is that we haven't

533
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heard any negative

534
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uh

535
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input from the school board. Obviously,

536
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they have to go through their process.

537
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Um but our understanding is that the

538
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swap is is beneficial to them as far as

539
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placement of the school.

540
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» All right.

541
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,680
>> Any other questions? Okay, at this

542
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point, if uh Mr. Mann has it cued up,

543
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this is uh

544
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video that the applicant has put

545
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together. Dean, if you don't mind, we'll

546
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have you walk

547
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uh the planning commission and

548
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public through it.

549
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,680
Um then at that point, if you have

550
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questions for the applicant or staff

551
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um before we dive into the the public

552
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,640
hearing. Excuse me.

553
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,600
>> Thank you, Brandon. Welcome.

554
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>> Thank you.

555
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:51,960
>> Will you introduce yourself?

556
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>> new faces. I I need to get here more

557
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often.

558
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,200
>> It's been a while.

559
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>> It has.

560
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,640
>> Yeah. I was a newbie with last time you

561
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came.

562
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,880
>> Yeah, yeah. It's been We've missed I

563
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mean bought more finished subdivisions

564
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,240
these days, but

565
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we're excited to be developing one, so.

566
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,480
>> All right, introduce yourself to us.

567
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,200
>> Ingram. Um

568
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uh Ripe Homes, local home builder. Um

569
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,920
we've done quite a few subdivisions in

570
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the city here. It's I'm not just saying

571
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,520
this, but it is one of our if not our

572
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,040
favorite city to work in. It's been

573
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,760
great for us, and we've got a good

574
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,560
working relationship with staff. They've

575
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,484
been awesome. Um

576
00:20:27,484 --> 00:20:27,640
>> [clears throat]

577
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,280
>> And actually good stuff with the

578
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,350
community, too, which has been great.

579
00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,440
» All right. You have a presentation for

580
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:36,960
us?

581
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,240
>> Yeah, I mean you want I mean I think

582
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,440
they're just going to play this. I mean

583
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,040
this I think this video starts basically

584
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,800
at the top

585
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,240
and comes down. So this is the obviously

586
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,320
the larger lots. We start larger as we

587
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,680
go down, we get a little bit smaller as

588
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,760
we get down to the bottom.

589
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,840
Um

590
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,520
you'll see that almost all of these

591
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,000
homes, if not all of them are three-car

592
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,760
garages. If you go through any of our

593
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,200
communities,

594
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,800
that's what we build. Um they can't

595
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,240
People can do a two-car. We will never

596
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,480
start a home that's that's a two-car. We

597
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,160
always want larger lots that we can do

598
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,040
the three cars on on our on our

599
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,320
customizable that our niche what we do

600
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,200
is a little bit different than a lot of

601
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,440
builders. So, you got choices of going

602
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,800
with a full custom cost plus, you know,

603
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,640
you do the budgets

604
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,520
grows, right? Or you can go with

605
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,160
more of a production builder that

606
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,880
here's your you know, 10 floor plans and

607
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,640
really can't change a whole lot. You can

608
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,120
pick some colors.

609
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,400
We allow you do start with one of our

610
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,200
floor plans. There's probably 50 of them

611
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,640
at least and we've been adding new ones.

612
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,120
Um

613
00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:45,880
to those you get you know, just more

614
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,080
fresher elevations stuff all those are

615
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,960
stuff still looks really good.

616
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,120
Um but you'll see they can start with

617
00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:55,520
that. They can move any wall

618
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,520
and they can grow the home by any square

619
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,600
footage they want. So, but they start

620
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,440
with our plan which gets them a good

621
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080
price to start with cuz it's all pre-bid

622
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,000
out and you're not sending out a fresh

623
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,800
bid every time. And then we just add

624
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,400
whatever they've added to it. So, we're

625
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,360
in between the two and we give them a

626
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,480
locked-in price when we're when they're

627
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,640
out of our design center. So, we're kind

628
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,480
of that mid, you know, customizable.

629
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,720
That's why our neighborhoods look

630
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,320
distinct as far as you'll recognize when

631
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,480
you go through one of our neighborhoods

632
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,000
that there's a lot of variation. It's

633
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,600
not you're not going to pick the same

634
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,800
four homes

635
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,040
that you notice as you drive through it.

636
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,800
So, it's been um extremely popular. It's

637
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,800
hard to do. It's really hard to keep

638
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,880
your you know, it's a lot of work when

639
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,920
they change all that to get all the

640
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,880
estimating and bidding done um and then

641
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,800
lock that price in. So, you'll notice

642
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,200
that's a big deal for us and that like I

643
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,720
said with that

644
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,440
I would say 95% of our

645
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,280
stuff we do on the standard lots that

646
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,720
the larger lots we do is is three-car

647
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,680
garage and and and bigger homes

648
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,080
obviously.

649
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,320
Um

650
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,400
This you're going through kind of the

651
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,200
garden home area here.

652
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,440
So, some of the benefits So, our town

653
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,760
home projects have been in

654
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,200
I don't know if you've been through like

655
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,320
Juniper or Del Monte or some of those.

656
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,840
They've been an absolute hit and you'll

657
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,000
notice as you drive through them that a

658
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,280
lot of the

659
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,200
city people that

660
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,000
you'll see police cars and you know, all

661
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,120
sorts of stuff in Spanish Fork. It's a It's a great product. What makes

662
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:26,600
it a little bit different as I know

663
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,320
there's probably

664
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,160
you're asking about parking.

665
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,520
What's different on our stuff that's

666
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,000
not typical with a lot of other people

667
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,040
who try to go and hit this affordable

668
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,120
you know, make everything as cheap as

669
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:39,880
possible. What we do differently is like

670
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,480
our town homes

671
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,440
that they're 26 ft wide. So, you've got

672
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,840
your two-car garage and then you got

673
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,040
this extra half car basically. So,

674
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,960
people can actually store bikes and

675
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,200
stuff. What that allows for them not to

676
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,320
put the car on the street like you're

677
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,360
talking about, right? They end up

678
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:57,640
putting all their stuff in their garage

679
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,080
and they park their cars outside. Now,

680
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,560
you can't keep them from parking cars

681
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,080
outside, but we give them enough room to

682
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,200
do that.

683
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,040
The benefit of these three-story garden

684
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,280
homes we're doing is your main floor is

685
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,520
all on the second floor.

686
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,960
So, it opens up. You're not trying to

687
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,280
squeeze all that in there with small

688
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,840
rooms. You have a big great room,

689
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,280
dining, kitchen is all larger cuz you're

690
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,720
not taking up part of that footprint

691
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,720
with the garage. What's nice about with

692
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,120
the garage is all the garages

693
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,480
are between 30 and 30

694
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,640
um

695
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,640
I think 36 ft deep or something like

696
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,040
that. 30 I think our maybe even 40.

697
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,240
Like

698
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,320
because we we allow that garage to to

699
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,640
expand all the way to the back of the

700
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,400
house. We don't need any of that as far

701
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,880
as living space. So, you end up with a

702
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,120
garage that has tons and tons of storage

703
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,080
to keep bikes, motorcycles,

704
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,720
a little workshop, whatever they want.

705
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,200
So, it ends up helping out with the the

706
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,160
whole parking situation. Although, we do

707
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,640
over park our stuff. The other benefit

708
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,640
to this configuration

709
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560
is instead of having when you when you

710
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,120
have this type of zoning, right? And

711
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,200
you'll go drive through some of the

712
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,520
neighborhoods that a typical builder

713
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,920
will do,

714
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,560
because that product has to be narrow

715
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,120
for that, means if you're going to put a

716
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,320
two-car garage in, you're a garage and

717
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,040
then a little bit of house. So, when you

718
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,280
drive down the road, you're seeing

719
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,720
all garages.

720
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,480
Um and and that's kind of that's the

721
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,760
look you're going to get. Um same thing

722
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,080
you know, you get that with town homes,

723
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,240
too. Although, we do a lot of rear loads

724
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,800
so that we can have that Del Monte and

725
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,480
Juniper has you don't really drive by

726
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,680
garages on those, which makes those look

727
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,600
good. Um

728
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,280
but as you can see, if you look at that

729
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,240
just where the video stopped there,

730
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,160
when you when you drive by them, now

731
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,960
you're not you're in the exterior right

732
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,920
here. Obviously, that that's all fenced

733
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,880
in and um it's probably on a collector

734
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,000
road.

735
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720
That um

736
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,120
those driveways to go into a pod

737
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,400
have have homes built

738
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,480
the other direction. So, your driveways

739
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,280
are literally

740
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,840
typically over 100 to 100

741
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,920
20 30 ft apart. So, you're not having

742
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,560
all these driveways there that it allows

743
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,480
a lot more ease for a visitor to to have

744
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,920
a to come and visit you and park on the

745
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,720
street if they if they care to do that.

746
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,920
We do have that extra stall inside that

747
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,000
those will be assigned to each each

748
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,960
person will have one assigned inside and

749
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,680
then two in their garage plus that extra

750
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,400
space.

751
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,200
>> So, so you're saying a a total of three

752
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:24,920
for each?

753
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,760
>> Yeah, yeah. So, the outside plus the two

754
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,920
inside plus the extra space inside the

755
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,760
garage is I I

756
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,520
honestly, that's probably one of the

757
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,520
biggest deals that doesn't It's not

758
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,560
required by any city, but it honestly,

759
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,360
if they would people would think through

760
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:39,480
that

761
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,720
and get a little more width. I mean,

762
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,760
when you can't even have to open your

763
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,480
garage door, you know, your car doors or

764
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,440
your truck or your car's too deep

765
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,720
because it's a lot of these guys are

766
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,880
doing 19 by 19.

767
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,680
There's just not enough room to pull in

768
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,680
and walk around your car or open your

769
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,040
doors even. We give that extra room in

770
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,480
there in order for you to have more room

771
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,720
to to store things and put bikes and

772
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,800
stuff. So,

773
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:00,440
it

774
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,240
we try to think that through. I think

775
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,200
South County, especially, I'm I live

776
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,440
down here.

777
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,760
I mean, we're all into outdoors and you

778
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,720
know, there's tons of toys and bikes and

779
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,800
people are I mean, I

780
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,600
if your Fit City is I know there was a

781
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,200
lot of heat for that. I think you guys

782
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,800
did a God it finally went through. I

783
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,160
don't know if everybody else feels that

784
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,720
way, but that place is packed

785
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,280
at all times and it's and it's awesome,

786
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,960
you know, that uh

787
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,960
you know, you have those type of

788
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,320
amenities and stuff in the city, but um

789
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,680
>> So, what you're telling us is that in

790
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,600
the garages, I can park my F-150

791
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,200
>> Correct.

792
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,800
>> fine.

793
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,440
>> Correct.

794
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,280
>> That's

795
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,200
>> all the way.

796
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,800
>> Right.

797
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,400
>> And have room to walk around the front

798
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,600
and back and probably store bikes in the

799
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,080
front.

800
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,720
>> Right.

801
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,640
>> So, yeah, big it's a bigger deal than

802
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,080
you think because if not, you're going

803
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,000
to notice if you drive through a a town

804
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,960
home project that is just that small box

805
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,200
or homes,

806
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,280
there's always cars going to be on the

807
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,560
street or out parked outside because

808
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,960
they have to have somewhere to put Where

809
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,280
are you going to put? You're not going

810
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,480
to leave your bike on the street or your

811
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,400
four-wheeler or or you maybe have a

812
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,480
motorcycle you ride or whatever that is.

813
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,200
Um strollers, you know, different things

814
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,320
like that. Where Where are you going to

815
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,520
put that stuff? Here you have that

816
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,160
opportunity. We think this is a good

817
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,040
move up. It's a

818
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,840
we can actually build these for, you

819
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,880
know, just a little bit over what our

820
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,240
town homes are. So, we think it's a nice

821
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,640
alternative

822
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,680
in this price affordability issue we're

823
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,120
having right now. Everybody sees that.

824
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,560
The governor obviously in the state's

825
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,360
trying to figure out ways to help with

826
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:27,800
it. Um

827
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,040
people are definitely getting priced out

828
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,000
of home ownership, which we hate.

829
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,680
Nobody wants to see that. Home ownership

830
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,040
is the the number one

831
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,200
thing that's going to help a young

832
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,440
person

833
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,080
gain wealth and be able to retire

834
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,480
someday and, you know, um to get them

835
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,840
into those homes and have them be able

836
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,720
to move along. This is a good middle

837
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,920
point rather than going straight from a

838
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,000
town home to a single family. They they

839
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,760
may be only able to afford it here, but

840
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:51,760
at least they have a full fenced

841
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,160
backyard. There's no common wall, extra

842
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,040
space.

843
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,120
And we we think it'll And it feels big

844
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,720
inside because of that main floor is all

845
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,320
upstairs above the garage even too. And

846
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,760
then your third floor is your bedrooms

847
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,560
and stuff. So

848
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,000
>> Well, what square footage are you are

849
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,880
talking about for these garden homes?

850
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,040
>> Anywhere from 2200 to And this doesn't

851
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,440
count the garage. Obviously, the garage

852
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,400
is a big portion of this, but I think

853
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,480
they're around a little over 2000 would

854
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,080
be the smallest, but I think they go up

855
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,720
to 2800

856
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,800
ft. Three and four bedroom units, all

857
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,960
bigger walking closets, you know, just

858
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,400
bigger bigger [clears throat] product.

859
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,240
As far as um

860
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,320
I think there was a question about the

861
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,960
school. So So, the school the original

862
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,520
the property they have right now was a

863
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,320
was our property also. We We had They

864
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,040
needed to

865
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,120
the our Anthem West over there by the

866
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,520
LDS Stake Center for the for the young

867
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,320
single adults on First

868
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,080
West. That's our project right there.

869
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,360
We traded them for that. They that that site that was not usable

870
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,960
for them because it was too close. They

871
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,400
have to have a specific distance from

872
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,280
their other elementary schools. And that

873
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,440
one was too close to the one that's around the corner just

874
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,360
around the corner right there. I can't

875
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,680
remember the name of it.

876
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,000
Riverview. Riverview, that's it. So,

877
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,520
they

878
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,680
we worked out a trade with them.

879
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,680
They had that They needed They wanted

880
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,160
something had access right then. So, we

881
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,880
did the trade on the at the road

882
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,720
frontage there. The problem is is for

883
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480
them there's a couple problems that

884
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,480
the why they were on board and they're

885
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,720
not

886
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:27,960
They have to be somewhat political,

887
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,160
right? They can't just say they're going

888
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,480
to do something, but they they are

889
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,160
definitely happy with what this layout

890
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,200
is cuz it does a few things for them.

891
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,280
One, it takes them off of a major major

892
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,400
collector road. That that road width is that 119 ft wide?

893
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,200
Or

894
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,760
>> Uh 17.

895
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,840
>> Is it 117?

896
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,440
>> No, 1700 West.

897
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,520
>> Well, yeah. The The new The one that

898
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,240
Yeah, that

899
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,000
>> future it'd be 108.

900
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,920
>> What 108? Is that the Is that the width?

901
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,000
Okay.

902
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,520
So, that and it and it has to curve So,

903
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,240
once we once the city determined the

904
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,240
alignment of that road,

905
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,080
it made it so the school really doesn't

906
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,160
fit on the that That road cuts through

907
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,600
the property and makes it somewhat

908
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,600
unusable for the school, but also it's a

909
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,680
busier road. Now, what's kind of nice is the road above it that's still going

910
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,480
on is still a collector road. That road

911
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,000
will eventually is supposed to get up to

912
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,480
the roundabout up by ALA.

913
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,520
So, it's a good access for them, but

914
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,560
it's not a crazy access as far as

915
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,320
busyness of a road.

916
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,960
Um the other way we designed it for them

917
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,160
is those future roads are set up that it

918
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,720
will have roads

919
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,880
on all four sides of them

920
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
rather than having any They don't like

921
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,040
having residential homes backing to it

922
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,160
just be

923
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,360
for that

924
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,760
issue that, you know, they don't want

925
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,000
kids

926
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,240
bothering them or them but you know,

927
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,400
that

928
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,720
When you have somebody else's fence back

929
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,000
there and you never know what it what's

930
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,720
going to happen. A ball goes over the

931
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,000
fence or whatever. That This is a a

932
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,480
great layout for them and that's kind of

933
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,520
why

934
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,640
um as we approached them, they were It

935
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,680
gives them a

936
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,080
rectangle spot that fits their school.

937
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,480
Um

938
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,960
>> How many acres?

939
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,520
>> I think it's 14 12 It maybe it's 12.

940
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,960
by 14 acres.

941
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,440
And there is room there too. I mean I

942
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,640
mean They're not planning on selling

943
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,600
anytime soon, but uh

944
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,960
um

945
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,720
they have I mean we're only controlling

946
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,880
two sides of that, but that that size

947
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,480
works for them for definitely for an

948
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,120
elementary school. And I might even be

949
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,280
enough for a middle school. I can't

950
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,280
remember, but um

951
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,640
I think it would be an elementary school

952
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,560
in this area possibly.

953
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,640
>> No, it's the right size for an

954
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,560
elementary school.

955
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,840
>> Yeah. And currently they

956
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,280
the

957
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,640
district's property is right here,

958
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:36,040
right?

959
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,480
>> Correct. Yeah.

960
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,640
So, then that when that collector road

961
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,080
to to align it went that direction

962
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,360
that really kind of forced an issue with

963
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,720
them that that that makes that school

964
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,720
hard to place there, right? It's not a

965
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,640
rectangle piece and it's

966
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560
they lose they you know, the ground that road goes right through part of it.

967
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,200
So, how do they how do they get enough

968
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,320
ground now to to build their school? So,

969
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,520
and they they told me and I and I I

970
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,320
they much rather have somebody come up

971
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,920
ahead of time which we did. We

972
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,320
approached them right away as far as

973
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,520
hey, we're going to be doing this. What

974
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,680
do you want to see here? And

975
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,560
they like the pre-planning rather than

976
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,000
having something just thrown at them and

977
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,040
then they have to figure it out

978
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,640
afterwards. This is they've been in the

979
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,720
as far as the look as far as how this

980
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,040
sits there and everything, they've been

981
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,040
in you know, giving the input on that.

982
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,240
So, we gave them a piece that really

983
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,430
works for them.

984
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,760
» Okay, my first question is how if we're

985
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,280
looking at the low density area of this

986
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,160
development, how many

987
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,280
uh of the homes in this area are below

988
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,920
15,000

989
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,800
square feet?

990
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,640
>> Oh, man, that's a good question.

991
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,480
Brandon, did you

992
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,200
>> of the lots?

993
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,960
>> Yeah, I've got that number. Let me

994
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,440
>> And can I tell you what our what our

995
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,800
thought process is on this layout? So,

996
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,960
as you go up you go up the hill and there's basements up up top, right?

997
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,080
As you go down you're not. Also, I I did

998
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,200
some of the development across the

999
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,120
Mill Road over there, Academy Park and

1000
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,120
Mules Inn Estates and stuff.

1001
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Um those neighborhoods

1002
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,360
I I think people are pretty passionate

1003
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,159
about having larger homes around there.

1004
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,308
So, we I think

1005
00:34:21,308 --> 00:34:21,480
>> [clears throat]

1006
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,440
>> to be a good neighbor and also for our

1007
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,879
own benefit to of having the bigger lots

1008
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:27,919
kind of up top where you can do

1009
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,399
basements um

1010
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:32,520
made a lot of sense to us to to kind of

1011
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,600
make that stage so it goes

1012
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,159
starts really big up top. You'll see

1013
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,159
those are some of those are half close

1014
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,440
to half acre lots, I think, as you get

1015
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,080
up to the top. And then

1016
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,440
um I don't know what the smallest are.

1017
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,200
We

1018
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,159
>> The smallest are I believe 10,200,

1019
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,040
around that range. Um 35%

1020
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,240
is the answer you're looking for. And

1021
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:55,200
what the code calls out is it doesn't

1022
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,440
specify and this was a discussion that

1023
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,880
was had with the city council member

1024
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,440
years ago and

1025
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,960
when some changes were made to the

1026
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,800
master plan development, but it it

1027
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,600
doesn't specify that you have to have a

1028
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,200
certain percentage over. Just the

1029
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,800
average has to exceed the base of the

1030
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480
zone. And then those two large lots,

1031
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,760
there is criteria in city code that

1032
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,240
doesn't allow them to be counted 100%

1033
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,520
towards that calculation. It's only two

1034
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,800
times the base density. So in this case,

1035
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,880
any lots over 30,000 square feet, they

1036
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,160
count just as a 30,000 square foot lot

1037
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,870
in the calculation.

1038
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,560
» That's Thank you. That was my next

1039
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,640
question.

1040
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,520
I knew there was some kind of provision

1041
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,160
for it, but

1042
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,280
Okay.

1043
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,720
Uh

1044
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,000
then

1045
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,920
uh

1046
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,920
where That's a question for Brandon. Can

1047
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640
you tell us about your phasing about

1048
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,080
>> Yeah, the reason why we're doing that

1049
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,560
what we're So

1050
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,040
we've got water coming to loop stuff.

1051
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,560
We've got water coming in from the top

1052
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,000
and other We have sewer coming in from

1053
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,120
the bottom.

1054
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,760
We also want to mix up our product. So

1055
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,800
we're going to start at both ends so we

1056
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,240
can be selling the two different totally

1057
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,280
different clientele, obviously, price

1058
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,040
points. You're You're double on

1059
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,840
the one as opposed to the other. So

1060
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,600
we'll start at the at both ends so we

1061
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,520
can do both, but we're also it's it's

1062
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,760
meant to meet in the middle as quickly

1063
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,080
as possible because we're going to be

1064
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,080
putting in improvements connecting

1065
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,040
everything, but we don't want to

1066
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,640
develop so much that we have a big debt

1067
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,120
um, we're doing all at once. So,

1068
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,440
just to kind of meet that need for

1069
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,240
utilities.

1070
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,480
>> What do you think your timeline looks

1071
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,520
like for those phases and just general

1072
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,040
timeline for the project?

1073
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,600
>> Oh, good question.

1074
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,480
>> And and I know timelines [clears throat]

1075
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,600
can change, but just like what are you

1076
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,080
thinking?

1077
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,120
>> So, are you far as far as

1078
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040
per phase, like how or the whole project

1079
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:48,200
or

1080
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,560
>> How many months end to end and how many

1081
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,200
months per phase, yeah.

1082
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,840
>> Yeah, so I I would

1083
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,890
So, months per phase

1084
00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:57,280
>> [clears throat]

1085
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,680
>> right now, we're we're probably

1086
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,640
in our single family one to two a month

1087
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,680
is

1088
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,560
we don't we're not we're not somebody

1089
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,360
that just goes and throws stuff up.

1090
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,400
We're probably, you know, hopefully

1091
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,680
we're maybe two to three on the other

1092
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,960
product

1093
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,400
a month. So, it depends on the size of

1094
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,680
the phase, but you can kind of do that

1095
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,240
math and, you know, typically we're

1096
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:19,960
a little less than a year per phase.

1097
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,760
We'd like to have the next one ready,

1098
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,040
asphalt down if we can hit the right

1099
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,320
timing of it, but we're not you're not

1100
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,760
going to see us as somebody going in

1101
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,080
there and just throwing up stuff. Um,

1102
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,720
we kind of take our time. It takes a

1103
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:33,640
while for people to get through our

1104
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,360
design process because what we let them

1105
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,400
do,

1106
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,240
um, so I would think that's probably a

1107
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,280
pretty good number.

1108
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,720
Might be a little bit slower right at

1109
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:42,760
this point. It doesn't mean it's a

1110
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,880
little bit of a challenging market,

1111
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,480
obviously. So.

1112
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,080
>> I

1113
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,760
Do what how many acres is the park

1114
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,400
that's in the middle between your two types of

1115
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,960
>> Oh, I

1116
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:57,760
>> And is it

1117
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,080
>> a couple things to that, too. So, I met

1118
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480
with Bart on that. Um, the reason why we

1119
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,560
did it there and for a couple reasons,

1120
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,600
but

1121
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,440
one of the reasons is is that makes that

1122
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,760
park and he liked the idea that it's

1123
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,480
expandable.

1124
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,960
So, if and if and ever

1125
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,000
that

1126
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,720
road goes through, that collector road,

1127
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,840
that park could be expand in the future

1128
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,480
to be even bigger if they ever needed it

1129
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:20,920
to be.

1130
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,040
>> it could go it could be expanded

1131
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,200
>> No, it would go the that's the school it

1132
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,600
would go that direction, yeah.

1133
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,320
>> Okay.

1134
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,600
>> Right. If if they need I mean that

1135
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,080
that's somebody else's property so I

1136
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:30,880
mean

1137
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,800
they wouldn't be planning on taking

1138
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,240
anybody's property to that but

1139
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:33,600
>> But it's

1140
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,760
>> If they come in for development there

1141
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,080
would be an opportunity if it needed a

1142
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,120
bigger but I think it's Do you know

1143
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Does that show on there anywhere?

1144
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,160
>> In the back. We can pull it up on the

1145
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,480
plans if you don't have it handy.

1146
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,960
>> to Dave. Dave,

1147
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,400
it's meeting time right now. We

1148
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,880
Do you know what the size of that

1149
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,990
park

1150
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,920
No, you weren't.

1151
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,440
>> Okay, while he's looking for that my

1152
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,480
other my next question is when you

1153
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:05,240
dedicate an area to be to the city to be a city park,

1154
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:07,280
what kind of improvement do you do and

1155
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,240
what kind of like equipment or those

1156
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,600
kind of things do you provide, amenities

1157
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,400
or anything? Just unimproved ground or

1158
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,240
>> Um it depends on the it really has not

1159
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:18,840
gotten into any discussion but I think

1160
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,080
it's

1161
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,400
>> In some cases the city purchases the raw

1162
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,560
ground and does the improvements

1163
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:26,920
themselves.

1164
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,760
Other times the cities will get parks

1165
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,480
dedicated to them. Other times it'll be

1166
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,200
detention basins, that's what we see

1167
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,520
most common and those do need to be

1168
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,360
improved so that they can function but

1169
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,720
then also they're not a nice or and so

1170
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,240
there's many different categories that

1171
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,240
the city gets involved in as far as

1172
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,440
purchase, dedication, improve, not

1173
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,560
improved.

1174
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,240
>> So that's just worked out after things

1175
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:51,880
are

1176
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,800
>> No, it's a discussion that takes place

1177
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,480
during the process with our parks and

1178
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,240
rec.

1179
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,160
Cuz they're very eager to see what they

1180
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,960
can program the space for if it's usable

1181
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,560
space, if it's meant to be open

1182
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,440
and so they they lean heavily into what

1183
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,080
it'll function as.

1184
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,440
>> Okay.

1185
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,120
Uh

1186
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,920
the street trees plan, so you even have

1187
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,000
to to a street trees plan for the large

1188
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,600
for this part of your for this part of

1189
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,880
your development as well. Oh, that's

1190
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,000
awesome.

1191
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,400
>> I think those

1192
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,960
am I correct I mean the homeowner has to

1193
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,000
put those trees in when they landscape

1194
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,840
their or is that something that's done

1195
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,240
up front on all those roads?

1196
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,760
>> Um so the way the program works is

1197
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,360
someone has to either provide a

1198
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,280
financial guarantee if they're not ready

1199
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,680
to go in or if they're ready to go in

1200
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,680
then they're planted per the approved

1201
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,160
street tree plan.

1202
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,280
>> Yeah, so

1203
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,080
and the reason why we I mean we're fine

1204
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,920
guarantee

1205
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,640
you'll notice in our communities that

1206
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,480
you'll have people that you know spend

1207
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,120
20,000 on landscaping but then you'll have

1208
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,240
people that spend 150,000 on

1209
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,560
landscaping.

1210
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,800
So we we're hesitant on putting

1211
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,280
pigeonholing them into okay, well we

1212
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,560
want this they they still have to follow

1213
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,760
the plan with the the trees and how they

1214
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,000
want that but typically we want them to

1215
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,960
be able to incorporate that into this

1216
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,480
whatever their grand scheme they they

1217
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,040
want to do with their landscaping. So

1218
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,040
>> Great. Who follows up on that when

1219
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,360
there's that when there's that much

1220
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,080
flexibility which I agree with I think

1221
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,240
that's great but

1222
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,200
>> Our building department has the pleasure

1223
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,040
of following up on that. They coordinate

1224
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,400
with us.

1225
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,480
Most commonly the questions they hear is

1226
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,440
do I have to plant the specific tree

1227
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,800
that's called out on the plans? I'd

1228
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,680
rather do something exotic or fruit

1229
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,640
bearing which we don't want uh near

1230
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,520
sidewalks. Um so when they the the most

1231
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,080
successful time is when the homeowner is

1232
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,840
going to be there and there's irrigation

1233
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,520
available. Um some cases we do have

1234
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,120
Gator bags that will keep the trees

1235
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,520
alive

1236
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,800
um but that is something that our

1237
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600
building department um when they're

1238
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,680
constructing the home that comes up

1239
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,440
during the construction prior to the

1240
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,600
occupancy being granted. Either we need

1241
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,280
that financial guarantee that it will be

1242
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,000
completed at a later date or we time it

1243
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,760
so that tree goes in.

1244
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,520
>> Okay.

1245
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,320
>> Yeah, so so at building permit because

1246
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,240
that water is available then, right?

1247
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:14,880
With the house being [clears throat]

1248
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,240
built, we either provide that

1249
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:19,760
guarantee or we put the trees in or they

1250
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,640
landscape with us, I guess, but

1251
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,880
typically we find most people are

1252
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,240
landscaping

1253
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:25,680
on their own trying to I mean, whether

1254
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,840
they're saving money or they're going

1255
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,080
exotic.

1256
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,960
Um they just the flexibility's been good

1257
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,560
for them.

1258
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,440
>> Okay, that's interesting.

1259
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,440
Uh do you have a question, Mike? You can

1260
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,120
like you're about to

1261
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,480
>> I I like your question cuz I know they

1262
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,040
have to have it before they can move in.

1263
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:40,680
>> Yeah.

1264
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,760
>> And it's I like Stein.

1265
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,720
Not doing crazy trees, either, so.

1266
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:45,720
>> Yeah.

1267
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,080
Okay, well, you have an HOA for your

1268
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,320
garden home area?

1269
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,000
>> Yeah, for sure.

1270
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,560
>> And but but not your lower density area?

1271
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,480
>> No, yeah, we we are not no HOA for that.

1272
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,720
We Yeah.

1273
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:57,160
>> Okay.

1274
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,840
>> That's not a hit with

1275
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,240
when you have a nice lot and you're

1276
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:01,960
like, what am I paying this for?

1277
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,360
>> Okay.

1278
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,760
>> So the the things that you would

1279
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,920
normally have to do would be the

1280
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,320
detention basin, but we're turning those

1281
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,934
over to the city

1282
00:43:07,934 --> 00:43:07,960
>> [clears throat]

1283
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,960
>> as open space and they they'll handle

1284
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:10,480
that.

1285
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,560
>> Can you Can you show the overall plot?

1286
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,040
That one probably would So this right

1287
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,800
here

1288
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,440
is a working feedlot, right?

1289
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,560
>> I think so, yeah.

1290
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,720
>> Yeah, what are you going to do

1291
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,200
you know, cuz once these people get in,

1292
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,760
they're going to complain

1293
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,320
and pressure this guy to get out. What

1294
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,080
are we going to do to

1295
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,520
Are there any precautions taken to

1296
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,440
protect the existing land owners there

1297
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,685
and what

1298
00:43:40,685 --> 00:43:40,800
>> [clears throat]

1299
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,160
>> How do you facilitate good

1300
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,080
relationships?

1301
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,600
>> Yeah, that's a good good question. I get

1302
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,720
I mean, mainly that that's

1303
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,560
would hit those one lots, right? I

1304
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,080
We really haven't had a lot of issue

1305
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,680
with that, but I mean, it's something we

1306
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,480
could address. Um

1307
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,040
we find that

1308
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,480
people know when they're going in what

1309
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,080
they're

1310
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,160
I mean, they're

1311
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,560
because of how we sell stuff, right?

1312
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,000
They're fully customizing a home,

1313
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,680
they're on the lot.

1314
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,840
They're they're amongst the pro- the the

1315
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,400
process. We do let them know what's

1316
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,120
there, obviously.

1317
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,400
Um that's one of the reasons why on the

1318
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,960
Larson piece on it, I worked with Gary

1319
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,800
extensively on his

1320
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,720
that we're providing him some benefit as

1321
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:20,800
far as some uh water and electrical so

1322
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,840
he can feed and water his cattle. We

1323
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,720
also put there we couldn't do it

1324
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,600
it's impossible to do every everywhere

1325
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,880
like this, but what we try to do is is

1326
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,920
figure that stuff out ahead of time. So

1327
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,480
we we we've surrounded Gary with all

1328
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,080
roads which there's no backyards of

1329
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,920
anybody's home and he loved that and

1330
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,400
we're going to help we're going to you

1331
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,840
know

1332
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,440
put put the field fence up and and uh

1333
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,360
and it provide him some some water cuz

1334
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,080
right now he hauls water to feed the the

1335
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,320
cows. So we're

1336
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,800
definitely

1337
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,760
um

1338
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,840
cognizant of there you know there's active farms there. We for sure

1339
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,000
know

1340
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,000
>> So on those those roads surrounding Gary

1341
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,600
um

1342
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,000
they're

1343
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,560
100% on your property?

1344
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,920
>> Yes.

1345
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,400
>> And the city's not haven't said you got

1346
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,640
to

1347
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,680
I'm going to

1348
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,720
only let you put in half of the road and

1349
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,640
then if he ever develops he has to put

1350
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,440
in the other half of road. It won't be

1351
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:20,960
that.

1352
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,480
>> So so those are half plus, but they

1353
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,200
would stay that way until somebody

1354
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,280
develops in the future. But you still

1355
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,560
have

1356
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,880
>> So whoever if somebody if Gary ever

1357
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,840
developed or sold it somebody

1358
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,080
they would still have to build out that

1359
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:35,640
road.

1360
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,680
>> Correct, yeah. That the other half well

1361
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,120
the the extra portion of that to make it

1362
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,960
a full road, yeah. And then at that

1363
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,200
point time they can pick where their

1364
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,080
streets are coming in and how their layout is cuz it's kind of

1365
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,600
hard to do that

1366
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,120
until you get your design and what

1367
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,560
you're putting in there.

1368
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Um and there's so much flexibility here.

1369
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,360
You you just don't know, right? So you

1370
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,960
go put something in and it may not even

1371
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,200
may have to be anyways. So, will those

1372
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,960
roads

1373
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,520
be able to handle directional traffic?

1374
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:07,960
>> Yes.

1375
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,080
>> Two different cars passing? They'll be

1376
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,600
wide enough as when you're finished be

1377
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,480
before they're built out.

1378
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,480
>> Yeah, Byron, what is that?

1379
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,000
>> Yeah, it's half plus 10.

1380
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,400
>> Some of them minor collector, so it's

1381
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,080
going to have quite a

1382
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,960
>> Yeah, it's going to have more than 24

1383
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,360
ft, but

1384
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,800
we require half half plus 10 of asphalt.

1385
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,800
So,

1386
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,000
you can fit two-way traffic on them. You

1387
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,400
just won't be able to park on the one

1388
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,240
side.

1389
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,960
>> On the side that's the gravel which

1390
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:34,600
>> Yeah.

1391
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,960
>> that's where the fence sits and stuff,

1392
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,390
too. So.

1393
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,640
And then you'll pipe

1394
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,600
the irrigation ditch along 1700 South?

1395
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,640
>> Yes.

1396
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,720
>> Cuz that's how they get their water.

1397
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:49,960
That's where the water comes from.

1398
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,120
>> where the water comes from. We're piping

1399
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,960
I That's That's a Scott question, but

1400
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,560
yes, whatever needs to happen, we

1401
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,080
definitely are doing.

1402
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:57,520
>> Okay.

1403
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,520
>> And we've talked to the irrigation

1404
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,200
company.

1405
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,680
>> Okay.

1406
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,470
All right.

1407
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,560
Uh does anybody have any other questions

1408
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,920
for our applicant? I have a couple of

1409
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,160
questions for city staff.

1410
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,800
>> I applicant maybe city staff, I'll go

1411
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,640
ahead and ask. So, garbage collection in

1412
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,560
the in the garden homes, what's the

1413
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,560
intended flow of that? Also,

1414
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,480
I guess I'll just generically ask are we

1415
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,400
have any concerns about

1416
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,280
fire access or anything like that?

1417
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,480
Or have we addressed those?

1418
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,440
>> Yeah, no, we have. As far as the

1419
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,640
distances and stuff, that was all part

1420
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,360
of the process here.

1421
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,480
Garbage collection is actually

1422
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,520
better than than most, like I said,

1423
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,800
because

1424
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,440
as you pull them out, that the driveways

1425
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,560
you know, it's 20 ft wide, I think. Um

1426
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,520
And then you have all that room, so

1427
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,920
people would just bring their trash cans

1428
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,480
out to the street. I'm That's what I

1429
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,360
would imagine unless they're told to do

1430
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,280
something different, but

1431
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,800
>> Directly

1432
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:55,880
the street, not the driveway.

1433
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:56,920
>> Not Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1434
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,400
>> Okay.

1435
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,120
>> Yeah. No, you know, garbage is not going

1436
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,160
down the driveway. They'll they'll pull

1437
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,080
them out to the street. Be pretty easy

1438
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,160
process for them.

1439
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:03,960
>> Okay.

1440
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,120
And then fire, I assume, would be

1441
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,840
assumed not actually in the driveway,

1442
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,680
either, right?

1443
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:08,600
>> Correct.

1444
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,200
>> Okay.

1445
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,000
>> I have I Could we bring up the

1446
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,760
elevations,

1447
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,480
the elevation sides? I I'd particularly

1448
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,880
am concerned about the side elevations

1449
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,160
being right by the street. One thing

1450
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,640
that we've talked a lot about is

1451
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,640
things looking really nice and really

1452
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,360
finished when it's visible from a

1453
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,160
street. And I'm concerned that you have

1454
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680
a lot I I actually really like the

1455
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,000
layout that you have for your garden

1456
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,200
homes, but

1457
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,480
I You have a lot of side elevations

1458
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,600
facing the street, and it looks a little

1459
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,680
less finished, and

1460
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,680
I just would love a little more um

1461
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,840
>> Would you like to carry that stone

1462
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,760
around the corner?

1463
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,000
>> character on those sides.

1464
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,600
>> Yeah.

1465
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,280
>> Anyway, that's my input.

1466
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,840
>> we tried to address the side elevations

1467
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,520
and provided, you know, you can see on

1468
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,480
the the top one it's got a pretty

1469
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,480
nice detail. The other good thing is is

1470
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,000
we're bringing those fences around, so

1471
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,040
that also helps break it up.

1472
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,920
And then it's nice that we have it's all

1473
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,440
landscaping. It's not driveway and

1474
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,280
garages, so

1475
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,280
I think you're going to be pleased with

1476
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,600
the finished product, but if there's

1477
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,800
suggestions of some more we can do,

1478
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,400
we're more than happy to look at that.

1479
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,600
>> Yeah, like,

1480
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,720
you know, like just more around here,

1481
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,040
wrap arounds here at the

1482
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,560
>> Wrap around

1483
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,000
>> I don't know, larger windows or or some

1484
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,880
kind of finishes here

1485
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,200
on the sides. And when Brandon sent us

1486
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,480
the photos of the ones from in Salem,

1487
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,800
could we bring those up? Is that okay?

1488
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,920
>> Right here, real quick. I would

1489
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,280
like Shauna's saying, carry that stone

1490
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,520
around

1491
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,440
the Wayne's coat around the

1492
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,320
to the fence.

1493
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,760
>> Yeah, your side elevations in these

1494
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,400
>> Like that's looks good.

1495
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,440
>> pretty decent, but the ones in the

1496
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,680
pictures that were haven't been quite

1497
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,320
finished yet. Um

1498
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,240
>> Yeah, and those look different now, but

1499
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,040
yeah, I mean um but they there's not the

1500
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,880
same requirement

1501
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,240
there than there is in Spanish. So

1502
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:07,680
>> Okay.

1503
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,480
>> Your staff is pretty

1504
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,240
Dave's pretty tough on that stuff. He's

1505
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:11,560
like

1506
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,680
>> We have higher standards here.

1507
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,200
>> You want pleasing pleasing looking home

1508
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,840
and neighborhood when you're driving by.

1509
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,120
>> Yeah, for sure.

1510
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,720
And and again, I think

1511
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,720
I I agree with all that you're saying.

1512
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,840
>> yeah, this that's that's just not very

1513
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,360
>> I I think you'll be pleased with the

1514
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,160
fact that

1515
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,480
like I said, when you're doing I I mean

1516
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,320
I I'm not going to name any

1517
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,040
subdivisions, but when you're doing

1518
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,920
narrow lot a standard subdivision and

1519
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,160
you're 30 ft wide to build a home in and

1520
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,040
20 ft of that you're

1521
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,280
18 ft your garage door.

1522
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,760
You're just all garage doors.

1523
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:48,240
>> Right.

1524
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,960
>> So yeah, the corner elevation's

1525
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,240
important. I think a lot of the things

1526
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:53,360
we're doing to break that up, the

1527
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,720
fencing, the landscaping. You don't have

1528
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,200
all the driveways, the concrete. You're

1529
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,920
going to have a lot of greenery along

1530
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,080
there along with fencing. Everything is

1531
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,880
fenced around it. By the way, also the

1532
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,920
HOA will take care of

1533
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,120
back is going to be doing backyards and

1534
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:10,560
>> And the whole

1535
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,560
>> There's no front yards, right? So

1536
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,320
>> The side yards there's a little bit of a

1537
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,280
front yard a little bit of a planter

1538
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,000
stuff. All that planter stuff everything

1539
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,920
in that pod is taken care of by the HOA.

1540
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,280
>> Would you

1541
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,480
show like the updated maybe updated

1542
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,040
pictures if we recommend this to the city council

1543
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,920
and address that specifically with them?

1544
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,720
Thank you.

1545
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,200
>> Absolutely. And we can even do some

1546
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,910
updates on the

1547
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:34,920
» [clears throat]

1548
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:35,960
>> elevations too. So

1549
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:36,680
>> That'd be awesome.

1550
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,280
>> Yeah.

1551
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,320
>> Thank you. Okay.

1552
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,560
All right, any other questions?

1553
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,360
>> I love Shawna's love for the side of the

1554
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:43,920
house.

1555
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,560
>> I do.

1556
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,800
>> It's something I I worry about until she

1557
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,120
points it out and I'm like, "God, good

1558
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,040
point. I love that."

1559
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,600
>> Just that it's from the road. You want

1560
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,200
it You want it to look nice from the

1561
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,360
>> And we want to be better than Salem,

1562
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,120
right?

1563
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,120
>> Yes. [laughter]

1564
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,720
>> I don't feel competitive. I love

1565
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:56,440
everybody.

1566
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,120
>> We We want to be better Oh, I love them.

1567
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,000
We just want to be better.

1568
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,480
>> Spanish Fork.

1569
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,480
>> We love Spanish Fork, too, and we're a

1570
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,560
little tired of Salem right now.

1571
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,350
That's as much as I'm going to say.

1572
00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:07,120
>> [laughter]

1573
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,400
>> Okay.

1574
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,400
All right, any other uh questions or

1575
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,160
comments for our

1576
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,760
uh what for our applicant? Dean?

1577
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,480
>> And I'll want to come back up to you if

1578
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:16,760
you

1579
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,640
>> All right, thank you. Thanks so much.

1580
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Okay, Brandon, could you bring up uh

1581
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,840
your You had a good slide that I wasn't

1582
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,600
digesting very well while you were

1583
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,440
presenting it, but I'd like to see

1584
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,160
general plan designations.

1585
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,760
Where it's at now, what the proposal is.

1586
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:35,880
>> Yeah,

1587
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,600
um

1588
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:43,790
>> Current zoning, yeah.

1589
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,520
» So, on the left, you can see the current

1590
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:46,160
zoning

1591
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,800
>> That's districts, and on the right is

1592
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,200
the general plan. And we This is just a

1593
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,560
static image. We can pull up the

1594
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,520
interactive map if that's helpful.

1595
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,200
>> Okay, so pause. All right, so right now,

1596
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,680
this is all rural residential.

1597
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,080
>> Except for a few properties along Mill

1598
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,040
Road.

1599
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,080
>> Could Oh, yes.

1600
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,840
>> Some down here on Arrowhead.

1601
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,200
>> Okay.

1602
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,320
And then

1603
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,720
this right the land use designation is

1604
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,440
>> That's the estate.

1605
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,120
>> Okay.

1606
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,920
>> And then this is the medium density

1607
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,800
along both sides [clears throat] of 1700

1608
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,560
West.

1609
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:22,680
>> Okay.

1610
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,320
So

1611
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,480
>> idea is that with the

1612
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,840
uh higher

1613
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,880
uh traffic volume roads, you'd have the

1614
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,320
higher density product.

1615
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,240
>> And we would like this estate density,

1616
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,920
which is the

1617
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,400
R 115.

1618
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,480
Uh

1619
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,760
closer to these to our to our friends

1620
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,560
who are already built up here.

1621
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,520
>> Correct.

1622
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,280
>> Okay.

1623
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,000
>> But then the the garden

1624
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,680
homes would be a different

1625
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,960
Are they going to be in medium?

1626
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,280
>> Yes.

1627
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,440
>> Yeah, so where are where

1628
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,120
>> on the west side of the project.

1629
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,800
>> so where do we where's this overlay?

1630
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,640
>> So we would have to change from the land

1631
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,280
use designation now.

1632
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,880
>> No.

1633
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,600
general plan modifications.

1634
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,160
>> The zoning is what is being requested.

1635
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,560
>> And I'm looking but we have we have some

1636
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,040
of those

1637
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,400
lower density estate density. Are they

1638
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:14,880
actually in the site as well?

1639
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,400
>> Correct. So if you go back a slide, one

1640
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,320
thing that plays into this is

1641
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,880
that realignment of the roads. So the

1642
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,520
idea is that your

1643
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,320
medium density product would follow that road.

1644
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,840
>> Okay, so

1645
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,560
this is all the lower density and that

1646
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,520
stays in the lower density zoning.

1647
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,600
>> Yes, with some of the lots up here that

1648
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:37,760
you can see on the

1649
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,200
>> Yeah.

1650
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,400
>> That's lower density as well.

1651
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:39,960
>> Lower density

1652
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,640
>> That's in the medium density project.

1653
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:42,280
>> residential.

1654
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,200
>> Yeah.

1655
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,280
>> Okay. So this all aligns with general

1656
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,720
plan designation.

1657
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,560
>> Yes. We we may be a little out of

1658
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,080
alignment though, but it's with high

1659
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,400
lower density.

1660
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,360
>> Right.

1661
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,040
>> Yeah.

1662
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,000
cuz some of that medium crosses

1663
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,520
over

1664
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,560
to what is designated

1665
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,280
>> And so

1666
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,000
>> estate.

1667
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,720
>> the request is to change is two things to change the the zoning

1668
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,520
because the current current zone is

1669
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,720
rural residential.

1670
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:12,600
>> Yes.

1671
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,800
>> And it's to change it to match the land

1672
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,160
use designation.

1673
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,160
>> and R115

1674
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,440
with the master plan development

1675
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,400
overlay. So if we go forward a slide,

1676
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,840
this is our zoning exhibit.

1677
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,520
So you've got the two different base

1678
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,960
zones that are proposed, the R115

1679
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,200
and the R16.

1680
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,240
>> So there's

1681
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,040
the R16

1682
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,430
that line was there.

1683
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,360
And this was all this state

1684
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,560
zoning. So, there's quite a bit that

1685
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,840
would have to be changed.

1686
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,640
>> Not necessarily because your zoning

1687
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,520
>> 116 to 115

1688
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,280
>> are precise, whereas your general plan

1689
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,240
designation is a visionary document, and

1690
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,240
so it puts forward principles that we

1691
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,480
want to follow. And so, for instance,

1692
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,440
the idea of the density

1693
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,720
being higher as it's clustered around

1694
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,240
this road

1695
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:10,920
is being followed

1696
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,280
with the rest of it fanning out into

1697
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,440
larger lots as you go east to Mill Road.

1698
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,480
And so, it's not intended to say,

1699
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,000
"Here's the general plan line right

1700
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,400
through here,

1701
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,750
you know, that's your dividing."

1702
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,000
» Okay.

1703
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,200
>> And once again, this is a

1704
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,880
recommendation. So, if that is something

1705
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:32,920
uh

1706
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,200
that you feel should be addressed or

1707
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,680
should be changed, you are more than

1708
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,280
welcome to share um those comments,

1709
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,640
concerns.

1710
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,880
Um and so,

1711
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,400
for instance, the recommendation that

1712
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,840
you have before you that was from June,

1713
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,320
the development review committee when

1714
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,800
they looked at the project um with the

1715
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,760
application with the applicant, excuse

1716
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,640
me,

1717
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,240
um they ultimately recommended to you

1718
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:00,000
approval for both the uh preliminary

1719
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,720
plat and the zone change. Um

1720
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:06,560
and in turn, you would then uh make a

1721
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,440
recommendation to the city council. You

1722
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:09,720
can use

1723
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,600
the recommendation as provided by the

1724
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,560
development review committee

1725
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,600
uh or as you see fit. You are more than

1726
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,320
welcome to add conditions, subtract

1727
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,000
conditions, modify conditions.

1728
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,160
Um it is it is your ability to make that

1729
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,720
recommendation as you see fit.

1730
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,640
>> Thank you. Anyone else have questions

1731
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,920
for Brandon?

1732
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,000
Okay.

1733
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,360
Thank you. One thing that I think that

1734
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,280
we don't always do and I

1735
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,600
in our meeting that that sometimes

1736
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,160
answers our questions and it takes just

1737
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,440
a minute, but I feel like it's

1738
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,880
pretty important. We do our homework,

1739
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,760
but I think it's good for

1740
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,880
um for

1741
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,520
I think it's good to put it on the

1742
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,360
public record and that is to

1743
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,960
read through the findings and commit

1744
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,320
conditions. So like So the findings were

1745
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,360
that the proposal is consistent with the

1746
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,920
city's general plan designations of

1747
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,400
medium density residential and estate

1748
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,560
doesn't it?

1749
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,440
Density residential. So we know that and

1750
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,600
that's what we just talked about. Then

1751
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,080
that um the proposal meets the intent of

1752
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,080
the master plan development overlay

1753
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,760
uh zoning district. And then and one

1754
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,600
thing to point out uh for the public is

1755
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,960
a master plan development overlay zoning

1756
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,280
district

1757
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,800
for instance, if it's in a lower density like estate

1758
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,480
density, you're supposed to have larger

1759
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,000
lots. So R115, if you don't do a master

1760
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000
plan overlay zoning district

1761
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,480
development, then every lot must be 50

1762
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,000
the low the lowest 15,000 square feet,

1763
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,960
right? But if you have this um master plan development, then

1764
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,120
the average is 15,000 square feet and

1765
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,880
that allows for different sizes of lots.

1766
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:59,680
Uh

1767
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,600
it with if you have a big plot of land

1768
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,720
and it's not [clears throat]

1769
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,600
easily spaced, it adds for

1770
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,960
interesting layouts of neighborhoods and

1771
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,200
such. So that's that's what that's

1772
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,520
talking about. And then the conditions

1773
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,240
are like, okay, these are the things

1774
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,480
that we expect that we'll work out with

1775
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,200
the city and our applicants and that's

1776
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,400
that they meet the development and

1777
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,480
construction standards and zoning

1778
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,360
requirements and other applicable city

1779
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,920
ordinances. So,

1780
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,120
they have a lot of expectations from

1781
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,480
Spanish Fork City that the applicant

1782
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,800
addresses any red line review comments.

1783
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,120
So, [clears throat] during the review,

1784
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,600
they need to make sure they address

1785
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,080
concerns.

1786
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,720
That the preliminary plat approval is

1787
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,680
contingent upon City Council approving

1788
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,440
it. So, we can recommend to City

1789
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,600
Council, but City Council has to has to

1790
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,520
approve. We talked about this before

1791
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:52,960
that the Nebo School District will

1792
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,400
approved the would approve the land swap

1793
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,560
and that has to happen.

1794
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,160
The that the road cross-section for Mill

1795
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,360
Road be finalized and referenced in the

1796
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,920
plans. Can you tell us what that means?

1797
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,040
>> Um

1798
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,040
yes, um

1799
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,920
it this one's specifically referring to

1800
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,080
the large lot on Mill Road and

1801
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,040
the fact that there's a a trail and a

1802
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,200
park strip proposed.

1803
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,160
And so, we just wanted to finalize

1804
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,720
something Mill Road's interesting in the

1805
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,880
fact that it has different standards

1806
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,000
developed at different times. And so,

1807
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,360
engineering has actually put together a

1808
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,280
master plan for the road as far as where

1809
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,880
modifications from the regular standards

1810
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,200
might occur to accommodate other

1811
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,000
properties that have existing structures

1812
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,400
and things of that nature. But in this

1813
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,080
section for uh

1814
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,320
that portion of Mill Road, it would be

1815
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,680
our standard 10-ft trail and 8-ft park

1816
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,080
strip, I believe.

1817
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:54,360
>> Yeah.

1818
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,760
>> That was discussed uh after the DRC and

1819
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,480
so, it's a carryover condition that that

1820
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,400
we still have.

1821
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:00,840
>> Awesome.

1822
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,160
>> would have to be put on on the 4-acre

1823
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,240
piece.

1824
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:04,640
>> Yes.

1825
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,080
>> Where it fronts Mill Road.

1826
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,640
>> Mhm.

1827
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,920
>> It's on It's on the

1828
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,840
part that was purchased.

1829
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,520
We purchased the road with when we did

1830
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,000
the road with this. I always worried

1831
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,040
that some of the confusion happened.

1832
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,160
>> Oh, yeah. Here you're supposed to come

1833
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:19,520
to Yeah.

1834
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,640
>> So, a little bit of what hap- So, here's

1835
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:22,960
some more history. This has been going

1836
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,560
on for a long time. Um

1837
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:32,160
Originally, we were going to build this portion up here when it was first

1838
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,800
purchased.

1839
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,320
And at the time, there was not a sewer

1840
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,400
lift station. And so, there were there

1841
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,320
were 400 connections that you could use.

1842
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,480
There was agreement with Salem City.

1843
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,760
And a lot of those homes in Mill and

1844
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,560
Mill Haven or uh

1845
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,400
Old Mill Estates and Mill Steen and

1846
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,040
Academy Park, those all sewer to Salem

1847
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,680
and they paid Salem for their sewer.

1848
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,800
Um so, when we started looking at this

1849
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,520
and bringing it in to to be developed to

1850
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,480
look at developing it,

1851
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:02,520
Chris Thompson at the time, the

1852
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,120
engineer, up and Jared Johnson kind of

1853
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,320
approached me and said, "Hey, if you'll

1854
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,240
work with us, can you delay this? We'd

1855
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,840
love to get the lift station. We just

1856
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,720
don't want to send more sewer. We hate

1857
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,280
that complication of that." So, we put

1858
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,080
it on hold and tabled it and kind of

1859
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:22,120
helped them with that lift station and be and was patient with that. So, at

1860
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,360
that In the meantime, the road section

1861
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,160
kind of widened even more um than what

1862
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,480
it was

1863
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,000
back then. So,

1864
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,440
but you can see the the that's the

1865
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,760
purchase ground, right? So, we purchased

1866
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,280
that extra width.

1867
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,600
But it that all that stuff didn't fit in in what your current one, but we

1868
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:43,800
still got everything in there and that

1869
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,160
was a modification that was made, I

1870
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,600
believe, right?

1871
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,400
Byron can kind of But that's kind of the

1872
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,400
history of

1873
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:49,960
>> Okay.

1874
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,400
>> Hey, we we did what was at the time and

1875
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,240
you asked us to wait.

1876
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,600
We got to figure this out cuz this is we

1877
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,920
own the road width of what

1878
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,520
that standard was, which was still a

1879
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,960
collector road. And the other thing too,

1880
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,520
really quick, that the park is 3 acres.

1881
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:07,320
Somebody asked that.

1882
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:07,840
>> you.

1883
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,000
>> Then uh um it's not just the one

1884
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,480
collector road up there. There's also

1885
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,440
the there's there's two

1886
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,760
So, we're putting in two collector

1887
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,160
roads. Obviously, we fund that and over

1888
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,920
time we'll get paid back, but that's a

1889
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:20,600
I think that was part of the

1890
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,280
consideration of hey, there's a lot

1891
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,280
going on here and that's a that's a big

1892
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,520
road.

1893
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:26,680
And the other one's a collector road

1894
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,160
also coming on the other side, so.

1895
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,600
>> Awesome, thank you.

1896
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,360
Okay, and then

1897
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,720
bonds for future street improvements for

1898
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,000
the proposed lot 83.

1899
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,840
Can we

1900
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,080
What does that mean?

1901
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,910
>> Sorry.

1902
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,120
» I know this is taking time, but this

1903
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,400
feels like we're being thorough, so

1904
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,880
thank you.

1905
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,360
>> I hurt my back yesterday, so

1906
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:53,800
>> Uh-oh.

1907
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:54,320
>> It's fine.

1908
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,120
>> Up and down.

1909
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,240
>> Keep going.

1910
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:58,560
>> Right there.

1911
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,920
So, as this road extends,

1912
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,720
um obviously this property is not

1913
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,080
involved in the current proposal. So, in

1914
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,600
the future when this road extends, this

1915
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,040
lot 83 will then now have frontage

1916
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,280
improvements that would be expected but

1917
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,960
at that point of the being existing

1918
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,080
platted lot, the house here currently

1919
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,360
has a driveway that comes through um

1920
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:22,920
this way.

1921
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,080
And so we would we'd be putting aside

1922
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,640
funds so that as this road extends,

1923
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,320
those funds can be applied to the

1924
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,840
improvements along this part of the lot.

1925
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,714
>> You mean if that road extends?

1926
01:04:33,714 --> 01:04:34,520
>> [clears throat]

1927
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,560
>> They could keep farming for as long as

1928
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,440
they want.

1929
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,270
Thanks, Brent.

1930
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,760
That's great.

1931
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,480
Okay,

1932
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,040
um

1933
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,760
that the applicant provides additional

1934
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,920
details of the proposed housing products

1935
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,760
and we discussed that a little bit.

1936
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,350
And

1937
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,800
Right.

1938
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,000
Uh

1939
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,800
the the applicant provides an updated

1940
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,160
street tree plan, detailed landscaping

1941
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,080
plan, fencing plan, details for

1942
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,480
improvements in the development, and

1943
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,560
that the applicant obtains approval from

1944
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,040
the irrigation company and we've already

1945
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,640
discussed that. Okay. Does anyone have

1946
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,440
any other comments or questions so far

1947
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,640
before we go to public comment?

1948
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,840
All right. We

1949
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,560
>> Ready for comment?

1950
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,840
>> Yep, just 1 second. All right, so we

1951
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,080
uh we are now

1952
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,040
going to open it up to public comment.

1953
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,880
That will be 3 minutes and uh and you're

1954
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,160
welcome to come make sure you introduce

1955
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,240
yourself and um we'd love to know the

1956
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,200
area of the city

1957
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,120
where you live.

1958
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,640
All righty.

1959
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:47,240
Thank you.

1960
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,360
>> Go.

1961
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:50,800
>> Okay.

1962
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,480
Pull up the land designation slide,

1963
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:52,920
please.

1964
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,160
>> introduce yourself, sir?

1965
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,920
>> Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. Daniel Davis. I

1966
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:56,960
live on Mill Road.

1967
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:57,600
>> Okay.

1968
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,760
>> And uh this affects me quite a bit, so

1969
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,560
um

1970
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,320
So, okay.

1971
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,600
Uh there's some conflation about uh

1972
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,400
third acre versus R6.

1973
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,960
Right in this area right here. This is

1974
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,880
the This is the dividing line,

1975
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,720
if I remember correctly. Right here for

1976
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,640
the R6. Because of wobbling lasers, this

1977
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,600
is all going to be converted to R6. This

1978
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,120
is now estate. So, half of that uh

1979
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,240
higher density is going to be asked to

1980
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,520
be changed to R6.

1981
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,960
I am in favor of sticking to estate. I

1982
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,080
have submitted to the city's uh general

1983
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,640
plan of third acre in their areas,

1984
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,360
wherever they've decided. I've decided

1985
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:43,800
that's the concrete over the years. I've

1986
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,640
been to many of these meetings and just

1987
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,040
stick with the general plan, you'll be

1988
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,440
all right. Uh this is going to affect me

1989
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,520
greatly because I live right here. There

1990
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,400
is a roundabout

1991
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,520
right here and it is We've had a lot of

1992
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,920
uh back and forth over the year. This is

1993
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,480
going to Man, I'm as wobbling as bad as

1994
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,520
everybody else. This is going to go

1995
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,880
through here, right?

1996
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,800
So, this affects me greatly. grow. This

1997
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,600
is I have ground here. It's in Greenbelt

1998
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,480
and I don't want to live in a

1999
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,080
subdivision and so I'm going to stay

2000
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,720
that way. Nobody has contacted me

2001
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,040
concerning irrigation issues. I irrigate

2002
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,840
this ground

2003
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,760
and it flows this way.

2004
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,480
And so

2005
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,920
I have you know, if somebody has talked

2006
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,720
to somebody I haven't talked to.

2007
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,400
Uh

2008
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,200
in the past it has ran over here but

2009
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,840
it's not been an issue cuz it just help

2010
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,680
I'll have to watch that. My main one of

2011
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,200
my main concerns is historical water.

2012
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,920
When uh subdivisions move in they find a

2013
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,520
way to drain the ground of its

2014
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,480
historical water putting it in

2015
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:48,440
underground avenues like sewer water

2016
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,640
culinary water secondary water. They put

2017
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,240
the pipe in and gravel around it and

2018
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,920
then they drain the whole ground and you

2019
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,720
have to put twice as much water to get

2020
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,920
keep your field green. So I I would uh

2021
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:04,120
strongly demand mhm state that

2022
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,520
mitigation is done such that historical

2023
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,920
water is not pulled from this hill

2024
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:09,520
uh

2025
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,040
or any other surrounding grounds. You

2026
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,400
want to build these houses well I don't

2027
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,360
I care. Uh

2028
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,480
so let's stick to third acre. Don't make

2029
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:18,839
them quarter acre houses.

2030
01:08:18,839 --> 01:08:22,720
Uh this as far as I understand is um

2031
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,799
counts as two lots, right? Anything over

2032
01:08:25,799 --> 01:08:28,040
30 30,000

2033
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,120
square feet. So that's good to hear.

2034
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,240
This should not be gamed to make to put

2035
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,520
more houses in. It's nice. I got I have

2036
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,120
no problem with their arrival. They've

2037
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,400
been around. Um

2038
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,390
so then

2039
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,110
um

2040
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,600
so recalibrate that.

2041
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,560
Uh I've been around since I was a kid.

2042
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,640
This is swamp.

2043
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:51,799
There have been years I went down there

2044
01:08:51,799 --> 01:08:53,040
as a kid and you'd sink down in the

2045
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,600
ground clear to your knees. You'll find

2046
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,279
cattle tracks to that uh uh

2047
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:58,960
to that uh

2048
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,400
that will state that. So anyway, thank

2049
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:02,440
you.

2050
01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:05,520
>> Thank you, Mr. Davis.

2051
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,279
All right.

2052
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:08,520
Hello.

2053
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,440
>> I'm John Henderson. Um, I live just on

2054
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,680
the east side of Mill Road, about a

2055
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,160
block from the corner or so from the

2056
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,120
corner of where this is happening.

2057
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,440
Um, I I would second what Dan said as

2058
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:23,000
far as sticking to the master plan.

2059
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,520
We don't feel like they did that with

2060
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,120
the town homes. Though they're nice,

2061
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:31,680
but um we'd prefer to see that. Um I am glad

2062
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,520
to see that they're at least the garden

2063
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,319
homes, they're not they're not the

2064
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,319
connected or sharing walls.

2065
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:41,120
Um my our big concern really is traffic.

2066
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,400
And um

2067
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,680
what I don't know is yeah, that's great.

2068
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,279
There's a eventually there'll be a wider

2069
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:48,480
road there,

2070
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,640
but how long will that be? Right now,

2071
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,560
there needs to be a turn lane at Mill

2072
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,200
Road and Arrowhead

2073
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,560
because that traffic backs up. My wife

2074
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:59,600
says it's been backed up to our house,

2075
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,720
which is almost a half a mile.

2076
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,400
Um and so that's one of our big concerns

2077
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,120
is that traffic. It's a narrow road um

2078
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,560
and you have a lot of uh

2079
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,960
of commercial um dump trucks, not just a

2080
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,000
small dump truck like from old mill, but

2081
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:17,560
um

2082
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,800
the large ones. Somebody but anyway,

2083
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,120
there's quite a bit of that that goes

2084
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,200
down there. Um

2085
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:24,280
and so [clears throat] I'm I'm just

2086
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,280
concerned, especially if you get school

2087
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,600
goes in there,

2088
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,360
when will that be widened? How far is it

2089
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,840
only the frontage of the property that's

2090
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,320
owned that will be widened cuz that

2091
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,080
doesn't do us do us much good. Um and so

2092
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,080
that's that's our big concern there.

2093
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,360
We're going to add 200 homes. I'm not

2094
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,080
clear. It sounds like maybe this other

2095
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,200
is 1,700. Is that where the IHC

2096
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:47,640
>> Yes.

2097
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:48,240
>> is? Okay.

2098
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:48,840
>> The Revere.

2099
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,320
>> So so that so that will be that will go

2100
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,640
out onto there. So there will be two

2101
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,080
outlets.

2102
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:00,440
Um okay. That's good, but you still have

2103
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:02,840
um, you know, 100 homes or so or close

2104
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:09,120
to that uh, many will access through there and it's already

2105
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,480
um, quite quite busy.

2106
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:13,200
Um, and so I think that's Was there

2107
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,520
anything else?

2108
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:15,800
Yeah, that that's our that's our main

2109
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:16,760
thing. I mean,

2110
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,720
we live in a raved home um, and we like

2111
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,120
the character and the nature that

2112
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,240
they're doing like like was said

2113
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,560
um, and that, but but I would I would

2114
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,320
second Dan's concern about changing the

2115
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,240
zoning on on the garden homes um, cuz we

2116
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,680
feel like

2117
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,240
we nobody was listened to a few years

2118
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:36,360
ago.

2119
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:37,400
Uh, I think it was the biggest thing

2120
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,640
they had online. I There was I think a

2121
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,160
thousand people that got on

2122
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,760
um, and it didn't feel like anybody

2123
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,200
listened or anything and so um, the

2124
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,520
problem we had there was they were

2125
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,000
saying, "Oh, well, if it's commercial,

2126
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,040
it's going to be more traffic." I'll

2127
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,840
take more traffic because it's going to

2128
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,880
be mostly during the day. There's no

2129
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,320
traffic at night. There's no traffic on

2130
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,200
Saturday and Sunday. So, um, they can

2131
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,480
present those plans and and numbers like

2132
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:05,080
there's more traffic and and there could

2133
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:06,600
be, but

2134
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:07,880
we need to look at the whole picture

2135
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,240
there and uh, and and what it does

2136
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,920
there. So, anyway, that's uh, thank you

2137
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:13,530
for your time.

2138
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:13,600
>> [music]

2139
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:14,960
>> John, can I can I ask you one question,

2140
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:15,320
John?

2141
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:15,760
>> Yes.

2142
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,320
>> And I'll go real quick. Um,

2143
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:18,720
your uh,

2144
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,040
if there were traffic light here or

2145
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,120
something, is that where you're talking

2146
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,080
about it backs up quite a bit?

2147
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:23,680
>> Yeah.

2148
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,000
>> Well, on it's no, it's further down

2149
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:26,840
where it

2150
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,080
hits here Arrowhead.

2151
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:29,000
>> Okay, where you Oh, where you hit

2152
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:29,520
Arrowhead?

2153
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:29,960
>> Yeah.

2154
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,520
>> And so like a traffic light or widening,

2155
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:32,680
that's kind of what you you think would

2156
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,760
>> Well, yeah, cuz right now you're stuck

2157
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,040
there and and half of it turns right and

2158
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:39,720
half goes straight and a little bit

2159
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,560
turns left. And so you could a lot of

2160
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,440
times it's only one car in front of you

2161
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:46,400
and you have to wait through the light,

2162
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,000
but again, at certain times of the day,

2163
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,000
it's it's awful. I mean, you're waiting

2164
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,480
through a couple of light, two-three

2165
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:53,720
lights

2166
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,440
um

2167
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:57,320
to to to get through uh to just get out.

2168
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,200
And if they had a turn lane there to

2169
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,360
turn right, it would help, I think,

2170
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:03,960
significantly. I mean, it's still going

2171
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,040
to back up, probably, but

2172
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,040
um but that's my concern is, okay, so

2173
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,880
it's wide right there for a block, and

2174
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,320
then

2175
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,360
we have this narrow road um

2176
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,360
all the way down for almost a half mile.

2177
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:18,320
>> I appreciate that feedback.

2178
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,200
>> All right. Thanks, Mr. [clears throat]

2179
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,840
Henderson.

2180
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,960
Hey, who else would like to come and

2181
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:35,430
speak?

2182
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:37,200
» My name is Charles Albert. I have a

2183
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,640
property that on Mill Road, west of Mill

2184
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:40,960
Road in Arna

2185
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,120
No one

2186
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:46,000
as the old dairy farm.

2187
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,120
And the development

2188
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:49,000
I

2189
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,480
want to know about irrigation.

2190
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,320
If they take the irrigation away, where

2191
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:58,070
they put pressurized irrigation?

2192
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,920
That's what I want to know about. And

2193
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:01,040
while they're do if they're doing the

2194
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,920
construction, will they put a sound wall

2195
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,680
along my property line?

2196
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,840
That's what I want to know about.

2197
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,240
And also, I might want to make a

2198
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,440
comment. Years ago, the Mulsteen Ranch

2199
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:14,800
was Mulsteen Farm.

2200
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,600
They developed that,

2201
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,560
and they didn't want to put a

2202
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,600
retention pond in. So, they talked city

2203
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,840
council into putting gabions in there.

2204
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,000
Gabions is a big wire cage with sewer

2205
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,120
rock.

2206
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,360
And there's an entrance

2207
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,000
about every lot, and they plug up every

2208
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,600
day. They can't even consume 5 gallons

2209
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,320
of water pouring on it in 20 minutes.

2210
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:39,680
And you

2211
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,720
if you talked to any of the homeowners

2212
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:42,720
right there,

2213
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,320
it's

2214
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,000
a steady hassle to keep that cleaned up.

2215
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,240
And that's all I want to say.

2216
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,920
>> Well, thank you, Mr. Albert.

2217
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:58,390
>> Thanks.

2218
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:05,390
» All right, anyone else?

2219
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,640
Representative, you're going to come

2220
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,716
talk to us?

2221
01:15:09,726 --> 01:15:12,230
» [laughter]

2222
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,280
» I'm always nice. Hello. So, my name is

2223
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,000
Jacquie Larson

2224
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,160
for this moment. So, I am speaking on

2225
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,400
behalf of Larson Cattle Company and Gary

2226
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,720
and Sue Larson. Our property adjoins the

2227
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,680
proposed Leyland Meadows development on

2228
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,640
three of the sides. Um so, on behalf of

2229
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,040
our family, I respectfully request that

2230
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,320
the Planning Commission recommend denial

2231
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,080
of the proposed zone change and master

2232
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,600
plan development overlay and deny the

2233
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,480
accompanying preliminary plat. I have

2234
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:39,960
several reasons, but I have 2 and 1/2

2235
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:40,880
minutes, so I'm going to go through it

2236
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,040
really fast. Um

2237
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,960
plans. So, before I adjust this

2238
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,680
substance of the application, I

2239
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,480
respectfully request that the city

2240
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:49,960
provide me,

2241
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,160
probably also you, and the public with

2242
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,800
the clear and legible copies of the

2243
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,120
preliminary plat and the supporting

2244
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,480
plans. Uh the copies posted with this

2245
01:15:57,480 --> 01:15:59,960
agenda are not sufficiently readable to

2246
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:01,800
verify the utility locations, ownership,

2247
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,160
easements, irrigation facilities,

2248
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:04,520
slopes, or other details that are

2249
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,040
material material to this application.

2250
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,840
Um utility easement.

2251
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,720
So, one of the most significant issues

2252
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,840
involves utility easement across most of

2253
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,200
our property. We granted uh Dean a 35-ft

2254
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,640
wide easement at no cost so this

2255
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,880
development could proceed. In return,

2256
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,880
the agreement was that the city water

2257
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,480
and power would be brought to our

2258
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:27,000
property, and city staff assured us that

2259
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,400
we would be able to connect to those

2260
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:29,680
utilities without forfeiting our

2261
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,680
existing water rights or changing the

2262
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,440
way we irrigate our property.

2263
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,320
Um those commitments are not clearly

2264
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,960
shown or documented on the plans before

2265
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,920
you, and these obligations were not

2266
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,920
material part of or were material part

2267
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,160
of the consideration. So,

2268
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,720
the preliminary plat is not clear if

2269
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,200
they're already on there.

2270
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,360
And there is also a gap. So,

2271
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,400
for roughly the past year, I've been

2272
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,120
working on resolving a legal description

2273
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,120
of our property. There is a gap of about

2274
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,440
25 ft from the taxing parcel line to

2275
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,520
where our historical fence line is. So,

2276
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:02,920
that being said, there's still

2277
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,840
approximately a 25-ft gap between the

2278
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,400
end of the current taxing parcel and

2279
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,600
where this easement ends. So, until that

2280
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,440
boundary is legally resolved, plans show

2281
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:13,800
the water and power in the city's

2282
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,800
commitments are documented in writing, I

2283
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:16,840
will not be granting the additional

2284
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,240
easement needed for this applicant or

2285
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,400
this development.

2286
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,720
One other quick thing, 55 seconds. Okay.

2287
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,920
Uh property ownership inaccuracies. So,

2288
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,600
there are also some serious

2289
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,320
concerns regarding property ownership.

2290
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,800
So, the staff recommendation includes a

2291
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,440
condition which required Nebo School

2292
01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:34,440
District property Nebo School District

2293
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:37,240
to approve a prop proposed land swap to

2294
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,520
accommodate the development. However,

2295
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,960
the preliminary plat sheets 2B, 3B, and

2296
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,240
also the exhibits on the zone change

2297
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,320
appear to depict the property owned by

2298
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,400
Larson Cattle Cattle Company's and my

2299
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,560
family's property as belonging to Nebo

2300
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,760
School District. And it does not belong

2301
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,160
to them. So, it's I don't think it's a

2302
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,440
harmless labeling error. Um I was able

2303
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:00,320
to find the wetland delineation report

2304
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,240
that had clear

2305
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,840
plans than what were provided here and

2306
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,000
it does show Nebo School District. So,

2307
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,040
that's one other thing. Um the ditch

2308
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,680
that same property,

2309
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:10,520
um

2310
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,800
it contains a private irrigation ditch.

2311
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,520
It's not a company ditch. It's part of

2312
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:15,920
our vested water rights and Utah law

2313
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,320
requires those rights to be protected

2314
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:18,880
from encroachments.

2315
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,720
And

2316
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:21,880
things are mentioned about the general

2317
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,600
plan. One quick thing with that,

2318
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:24,680
Commissioner Woodhouse, you might

2319
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:26,120
remember this. When our family agreed to

2320
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,240
annex, we were majority of the Leland

2321
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,960
annexation area. Um the commitment made

2322
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,120
by the city and to the property owners

2323
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,120
and to this community was that

2324
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:35,840
development within the Leland annex area

2325
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,120
would not be denser than third acre

2326
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,160
lots. And that history is consistent

2327
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,640
with the general plan of state density

2328
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,560
which covers most of this area. So, that

2329
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,400
being said, what's before you, I would

2330
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,400
request that you deny it. We get things

2331
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,960
situated and then it comes back before

2332
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,920
you guys with actual

2333
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,120
accurate plans so that we know what

2334
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,640
the overlay is kind of being adjusted to

2335
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,080
accommodate. Thank you.

2336
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:02,320
>> Thank you.

2337
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:06,710
Jackie.

2338
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,000
Okay.

2339
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,920
Anyone else to

2340
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,960
uh anyone else to come for public

2341
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,320
comment?

2342
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,040
All right. With that, I will close we'll

2343
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,280
close public comment.

2344
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,080
Time Oh, never mind. We won't do it

2345
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:21,920
quite yet.

2346
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,200
>> We have more people to take up so I was

2347
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:24,560
going to wait and see what happens. But

2348
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:25,920
>> Come on up.

2349
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,600
>> I'm Clint Millstein. I live on Mill

2350
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,720
Road. Lived there for a long time.

2351
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:30,720
Um

2352
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,200
just want to say

2353
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,080
um one of the things that really affects

2354
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:36,760
this whole development is the

2355
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,080
development of the roads. You talked

2356
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,160
about your engineering study and a plan

2357
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,520
for Mill Road as well as the other roads

2358
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,600
that surround it. I really think that

2359
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:46,440
there needs to be a clear plan put put

2360
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:48,240
before everybody before we even do any

2361
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,680
of this stuff because Mill Road and the

2362
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:51,880
other roads

2363
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,880
are a major problem. My wife goes to,

2364
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,000
you know, on the road at 8:00 a.m. and

2365
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,760
has to sit there for 35 minutes to try

2366
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:00,960
to get out. ALA's backed up all the way

2367
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,160
up and down the road. It's absolutely

2368
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,520
ridiculous.

2369
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,960
Um it'd be interesting to know that can

2370
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,360
we do some kind of a study like we

2371
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,120
normally do with road studies to figure

2372
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:11,680
out how many cars are going up and down

2373
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,000
the road,

2374
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,720
um how many how many drivers uh 200

2375
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,320
homes are going to create going up and

2376
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:18,880
down those roads.

2377
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,480
Uh it's a major thing. The other thing

2378
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:22,200
is is we don't know for sure whether the

2379
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,360
school's going to go in or not.

2380
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,960
And having said that, these kids that

2381
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:28,400
live in these homes have to be able to

2382
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,120
go to school, all right? And they got to

2383
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,640
have a way to walk. Well, we know that

2384
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,800
we've got

2385
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,720
specifically with both roads that are on

2386
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,600
both corridors there,

2387
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,960
no sidewalks halfway up and down. Uh

2388
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,120
they get developed when a person comes

2389
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,200
in and develops their property. Um not

2390
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,600
at the time when the piece of property

2391
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,000
is developed across the street, and then

2392
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,000
these kids are going through the buck

2393
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,600
brushes, through the through the dirt,

2394
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,840
and everything else, the the weeds and

2395
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,320
everything else tracking that around,

2396
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,720
and it's just not a safe environment.

2397
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,880
Um so, I would highly recommend that we

2398
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,120
take a serious look at that. As Charles

2399
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,920
mentioned about I I didn't know what the

2400
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,560
name of the particular sewer system was.

2401
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:10,920
Thank you, Charles, for helping me with

2402
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:11,880
that.

2403
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,000
Uh the J-dance. I'm the guy that just

2404
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,600
this Monday I got to go out with my

2405
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,240
shovel and dig it all out all the debris

2406
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,600
out to try to get the sprinkler water

2407
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,240
and all the other water that comes down

2408
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,040
through the current ALA development to

2409
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,560
go down inside the rocks. There's snakes

2410
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,200
that go in there. There's all kinds of

2411
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:32,480
other things that attract them because

2412
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:34,600
of the water. So, please

2413
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:35,880
>> What are those called again?

2414
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,960
>> They you call them a J-dance, I believe

2415
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,680
it is.

2416
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,000
>> They're a basket they put under the

2417
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,960
ground instead of curb and gutter.

2418
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,480
>> Basically a cement culvert full of

2419
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:45,160
rocks. [clears throat]

2420
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,120
>> Yeah. Oh, got you. Okay.

2421
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,280
>> It's absolutely ridiculous. The other

2422
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,920
thing is back to the plan for me,

2423
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,520
something that's really critical for me

2424
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,320
is So, I built my home there in 1994.

2425
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,440
The city council approved my plot plan,

2426
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:03,840
and my house basically sits about 60 ft

2427
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,200
from the road.

2428
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:06,560
And if you look at the way that the road

2429
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,560
is designed, I'm very interested in the

2430
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,240
plan to see where that roadway's going

2431
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:11,360
to go.

2432
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,760
Um my sidewalk runs right straight into

2433
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:19,240
um the fire hydrant right now. That's where my house is at. So, that's

2434
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:20,880
not a good thing, as well as all the

2435
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,560
electrical services and everything that

2436
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,560
are underground right there.

2437
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,040
So, um

2438
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:27,600
I really hope that there's some kind of

2439
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,600
a plan to make sure that I don't lose

2440
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,280
any more of my frontage and those type

2441
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:32,640
of things so that I can at least get out

2442
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,360
on the road and drive.

2443
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,080
And I I think that's

2444
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,720
those are my main topics.

2445
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,880
>> Thanks so much, Mr. Milstein.

2446
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,600
Okay.

2447
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:43,760
Uh,

2448
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,440
let's see.

2449
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:48,080
All right. Anyone else?

2450
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:49,400
All right, then we'll close public

2451
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:50,920
comment.

2452
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,760
And

2453
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,760
uh

2454
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,440
with that, does anybody have any I we'll

2455
01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:59,240
go through some of these concerns, ask

2456
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:00,800
staff, and ask [clears throat] our our

2457
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,400
applicant.

2458
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,400
Uh, do do you have anything off the top

2459
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,560
of your head, Mr. Anderson?

2460
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,750
Of those

2461
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,480
» I'm not sure that I should.

2462
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:14,360
Um, but uh I appreciate the different

2463
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,880
comments that have been raised relative

2464
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:18,360
to the [clears throat] land use map of

2465
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,160
the general plan.

2466
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,040
Um, and just maybe want to offer a

2467
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,840
little different perspective. I clearly

2468
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,160
staff, we've recommended that the

2469
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,480
project be approved with the idea that

2470
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:31,000
it is consistent with that map with the

2471
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,640
general plan. Um, that is somewhat

2472
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,160
subjective and that's by design.

2473
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,080
Uh, the intent often times is not

2474
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,080
to follow the line work on that map

2475
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,520
precisely

2476
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:44,920
when you get to the point of looking at

2477
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,760
a site specific situation like this

2478
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,720
where you actually have

2479
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,840
a detailed development proposal in front

2480
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,120
of you

2481
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,920
um, with therefore

2482
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,800
detailed lines on zoning districts. Um

2483
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,440
that being the case, I think the

2484
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:03,320
planning commission, you guys certainly

2485
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,880
have the latitude to view that however

2486
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,160
you think is appropriate. I appreciate

2487
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,320
that other people look at it and they

2488
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,800
uh feel like the general plan map maybe

2489
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:19,520
should be administered differently or considered differently, you know, in

2490
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,920
this particular context. Um

2491
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:23,960
that's really the only thought that I

2492
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,320
have. I was just that I think, you know,

2493
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,640
that that certainly is something for you

2494
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,800
guys to consider relative to the the

2495
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,080
zoning

2496
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,480
of the properties that we're looking at

2497
01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:34,720
here.

2498
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,320
>> But it doesn't always go the other way.

2499
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,350
>> So,

2500
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,840
sorry.

2501
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:44,920
>> Yeah, let's keep it

2502
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,120
>> Wait, we do

2503
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,040
>> public comment is closed. We'll reopen

2504
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,000
it with the zone change, but if you

2505
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,680
>> for the chair to decide. So, we'll let

2506
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,680
her run the meeting.

2507
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,200
>> Right, but yeah, we we can see what

2508
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,920
you're saying. Thank you. Okay, so

2509
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,853
um, so what I'm assum- assuming Mr.

2510
01:25:01,853 --> 01:25:03,840
[clears throat] Ingram and maybe uh,

2511
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,200
maybe I can let you speak to it, but

2512
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:11,560
my first question is uh, is for city staff. This road is a

2513
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,240
pre-planned road. This is what's going

2514
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,800
to be there no matter what and then so

2515
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,160
he did lower density on this side of the

2516
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:20,800
road and higher density on this side of

2517
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:21,800
the road.

2518
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:22,360
>> No, the

2519
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:22,760
>> Is that

2520
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,400
>> transportation master plan is is this

2521
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,600
1700 West. So, this is a master planned

2522
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,840
road that

2523
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,960
in our master plan it curves kind of

2524
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,120
east to line up with the intersection on

2525
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,160
9th South eventually in the future.

2526
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,280
>> Okay, and so then what about this road

2527
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,400
right here? That's

2528
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,840
>> This is just a residential

2529
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:44,720
um,

2530
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,880
road that they designed to connect

2531
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,560
the two neighborhoods.

2532
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:50,920
>> Designed by our applicant.

2533
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:51,280
>> Yeah.

2534
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:51,720
>> Okay.

2535
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,760
>> And so this is the other master plan

2536
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,040
road that eventually will tie in to Mill

2537
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:57,120
Road.

2538
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:57,600
>> At the

2539
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:58,080
>> collector

2540
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:58,720
>> roundabout.

2541
01:25:58,720 --> 01:25:59,440
>> At the roundabout, yeah.

2542
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,400
>> Okay, so tell us about that, Mr. Ingram.

2543
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,240
>> So, so yeah, so

2544
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,440
two different master plan roads. Um,

2545
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:07,920
part of part of that shifting I can

2546
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,960
appreciate um, concern and stuff. Um,

2547
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,880
part of that shifting is

2548
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,360
we're we're putting in and we we agreed

2549
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,080
to

2550
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,040
help with this master plan road and

2551
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:21,800
jogging that through the middle of a

2552
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,280
property and that makes it extremely

2553
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,680
hard to develop. I mean it we're

2554
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,480
you're talking about

2555
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:31,160
a curved road that you've got to figure

2556
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:32,720
out how to put stuff on both sides of it

2557
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,320
and

2558
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,160
I think that was the between doing that

2559
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,840
one and both different collector roads.

2560
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,480
Now we pay for those

2561
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:42,680
eventually after years we get not all of

2562
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:44,960
it but a portion of that back.

2563
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,280
But I think that was the consideration

2564
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:48,520
when we were working originally with

2565
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,760
staff year even, you know, a few years

2566
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,280
ago that hey, you know, can this shift a

2567
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,520
little bit because we're putting in a

2568
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,680
lot of infrastructure to solve city

2569
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,280
issues and I think it's a joint

2570
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,400
partnership a lot of times to to get

2571
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,760
what the city needs along with what we

2572
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,200
what we're looking to do and desire to

2573
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,280
do. So, I think part of that is because

2574
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,280
of that um

2575
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:10,890
and it

2576
01:27:10,890 --> 01:27:11,120
>> [clears throat]

2577
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:11,920
>> uh

2578
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,920
you know, you like I said, you've got a

2579
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,600
pretty big collector road um

2580
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,520
it's I mean it it's a total of five

2581
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,760
lanes eventually build out, right?

2582
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,480
>> Yes.

2583
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:24,040
>> So, it's not a it's not a small it's not

2584
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,120
a small feat for sure.

2585
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,480
So, that would probably address that.

2586
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:28,880
You want me to address some of the other

2587
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,560
just to help out with that?

2588
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:31,120
>> that'd be great.

2589
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,080
>> So, with Charles, yeah, pressurized

2590
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,160
irrigation is stubbed there um

2591
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,800
for certain um

2592
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,560
and then also those those storm tech and

2593
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:41,680
what it wasn't storm tech. What were

2594
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:42,640
those things used to be called? They're

2595
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,960
terrible. That wasn't us by the way.

2596
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,560
That was EPA and city

2597
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,920
saying hey, we we have to discharge the

2598
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,400
water immediately and this is our new

2599
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,600
system. We we built to city standards.

2600
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:54,880
It's not those aren't things we wanted

2601
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,760
to put in. Luckily now they've gotten

2602
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,360
rid of those cuz I hate them, too. They

2603
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,360
are nightmares cuz when you build, you

2604
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,240
don't know where your driveway and

2605
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,240
utility like you you put those in and

2606
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:05,840
then you're replacing them during the

2607
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,800
construction time, too. So, they were a terrible idea but that's not from us

2608
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,160
as builders. That's from what the city

2609
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,960
stand standard was and what EPA was

2610
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,000
how they wanted to discharge water for a time being. I don't know the whole

2611
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,160
history of that, but that's definitely

2612
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:22,920
not something we

2613
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,280
rose our hand up to do. It's more

2614
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,120
expensive than putting a a pond in or

2615
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,280
something like that. So, the new the new

2616
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,520
system is back to the ponds and that's

2617
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:31,800
what we have.

2618
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,280
We would rather do those all day long.

2619
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:35,000
Um

2620
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,040
and then

2621
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:36,760
um

2622
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:41,080
yeah, the the traffic and road widening. We are

2623
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,800
obviously widening that area. Un-

2624
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:44,800
unfortunately, we don't control

2625
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:46,520
everything else. I do think it's

2626
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,280
probably wise for the city there is an

2627
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,080
issue down at Arrowhead. That is the

2628
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,040
backup. I do think having a few more

2629
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,760
ways out when

2630
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,280
that traffic does start to back up that

2631
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,400
you can go down and hit these other

2632
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:00,960
collector roads cuz this is a wider I

2633
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,320
think that's a bigger road, too. Um

2634
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,040
on the very south side right here.

2635
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,680
Um and then it's I think that this road

2636
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:09,920
that right there.

2637
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,360
>> Yeah, we planning that.

2638
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,440
>> Wasn't that a little bit bigger, too, or

2639
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,000
>> It's a local Yeah, originally

2640
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,560
>> Anyway, so it's nice to have another

2641
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,240
access point to get somewhere if that

2642
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:23,920
does, but it does need I mean, there is

2643
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,640
a signal now which for safety is good

2644
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,800
down on Arrowhead, but I I will agree

2645
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,280
with everybody here. I mean, I drive

2646
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,080
there all the time. Um

2647
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:32,400
and uh

2648
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,600
it's just a tough situation with this

2649
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,440
you know, ALA when it gets out of maybe

2650
01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:38,560
other times, too. I'm not sure. Um but

2651
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,480
that's more so I think getting that

2652
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:41,720
turning lane and stuff like that a

2653
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,440
better traffic signal timing.

2654
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:45,520
Cuz you can sit there for a little

2655
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,520
while. Um there's no doubt about that,

2656
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:48,800
but um

2657
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,240
anyways, I don't know if there was other

2658
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:51,960
ones I can address, but that's kind of

2659
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:52,920
the

2660
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,000
as far as where that line

2661
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:56,760
moved at that's a lot of negotiation

2662
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,440
with the city and a lot of the ask of

2663
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:01,000
hey, we want this collector road to go

2664
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,760
through the middle of your property. Um

2665
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,480
and it makes it really it's a big

2666
01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:07,120
expense. I mean, that's a million-dollar

2667
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:08,760
road, so um

2668
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,920
it's not a cheap road to carry.

2669
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,360
But, he says I do get interest on the

2670
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:13,720
money, I guess.

2671
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,602
Probably not very good interest, but

2672
01:30:15,602 --> 01:30:16,080
>> [laughter]

2673
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,000
>> Thank you.

2674
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,480
Okay.

2675
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:21,680
Uh let's see.

2676
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,200
Mr. Davis talked about keep you know,

2677
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,560
that you could So, what they I think what

2678
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,400
they're saying is that when they're

2679
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,120
seeing that

2680
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:33,840
when they're looking at the map, maybe

2681
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,480
I'll look over go over this who I see

2682
01:30:35,480 --> 01:30:36,840
you can see, but

2683
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,600
they're saying that the line through here is really

2684
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,760
where the general plan line

2685
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:43,200
>> Yes.

2686
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:44,800
>> is.

2687
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:48,400
And and they're requesting to have this

2688
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,840
whole section this section be

2689
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,960
a state density like this section here.

2690
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,640
Uh we had a couple of people ask about

2691
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:58,680
that.

2692
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:00,640
Uh and

2693
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,160
you know, if you did that, it would line

2694
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:03,200
up

2695
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:04,727
you know, you could

2696
01:31:04,727 --> 01:31:04,800
>> [clears throat]

2697
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,560
>> go along with this road right here and

2698
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,120
have Anyway, that's a possibility.

2699
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,440
Uh tell I'd love to hear about swamp

2700
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:15,520
area. They were saying some somewhere in

2701
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:16,720
here

2702
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,040
was swamp area.

2703
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:19,520
>> The whole bottom is.

2704
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,040
>> Okay.

2705
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,480
>> The whole bottom all the water from the

2706
01:31:21,480 --> 01:31:23,480
hill drains down into that swamp into

2707
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:24,840
the bottom and it's

2708
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,360
it collect it's a swamp.

2709
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,680
>> Okay, so tell us about mitigate swamp

2710
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,960
mitigation. Hold on, Jackie.

2711
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:32,400
>> Jackie

2712
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,360
>> Uh Dean, can you tell us about swamp

2713
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,600
mitigation in that area?

2714
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:37,040
>> I don't know.

2715
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,720
>> But, she would know Jackie would know

2716
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,480
cuz it's her her land.

2717
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:41,720
>> Oh.

2718
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,560
Jackie would know, too. Anyway, tell

2719
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:44,560
us about mitigation.

2720
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:45,600
>> so the engineer

2721
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,400
>> to Jackie if she wants to go first.

2722
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:48,520
>> know if he can.

2723
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,760
>> Okay. So, I met with Dan

2724
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,200
what? 5 years ago? We did a little field

2725
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:53,920
trip.

2726
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,200
>> That's more like 15.

2727
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,960
>> Yeah, it's been a while. So,

2728
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,840
and I agree, there's a there's a ton of

2729
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,680
water, there's some flowing springs in

2730
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:02,720
there.

2731
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,560
And so first of all, there's no

2732
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,680
basements down on the lowland for

2733
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,600
obvious reasons, and we'll put utilities

2734
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:09,520
in.

2735
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,360
Um Dan talked about maintaining the

2736
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,200
groundwater.

2737
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,160
We're

2738
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:18,160
What are we? 20 25 ft below you?

2739
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,120
Right along there?

2740
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,480
>> I I don't know if the elevation is as

2741
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:23,280
important as flow over heavy water years

2742
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,720
like 1951.

2743
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,520
Uh other years when the whole valley

2744
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,080
flooded before there was any housing

2745
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,160
down in that low ground. At nighttime,

2746
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:33,600
you can look around the valley and see a

2747
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,160
bathtub line of of housing cuz the old

2748
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,000
farmers knew not to put houses down

2749
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:38,120
there.

2750
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:39,320
>> We'd have to have you come to the mic,

2751
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:40,320
but

2752
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:41,720
we get the idea.

2753
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:43,320
>> It's It's just

2754
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:44,560
Yeah. Of course.

2755
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:45,000
>> Yeah, all right.

2756
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:45,960
>> No, I was getting at that.

2757
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,400
>> Uh I grew up here. When I was a kid, we

2758
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,560
went down in that ground.

2759
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,600
Is this the public laser?

2760
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,760
We went down into this ground, and we

2761
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,240
shot ducks, and we ice skated. Some

2762
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:58,960
years it was so deep, the water would

2763
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:00,480
freeze over, and we'd ice skate down

2764
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:03,320
there. And it gets deep, and

2765
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:04,960
in during these drought years, you don't

2766
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,280
see reality. And it's not just flowing

2767
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,240
from rain, it's historical water. It

2768
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,520
follows these shelves underground. For

2769
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,840
example, if you look right

2770
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,640
about here where my uncle's house is, if

2771
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:22,280
you go down under there, there's a clay level that brings the water out

2772
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:23,760
of it, and you can see the grass

2773
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,040
growing. Right here, where this

2774
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,440
cul-de-sac's going to be, there is a

2775
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:29,960
currently a pond. When I was a kid, it

2776
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,240
was deep. And I have a photo from a a

2777
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,480
USGS photo from 1958

2778
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:38,440
that shows all the historical water. It

2779
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:41,000
just flows out. When I was a kid, this

2780
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,080
There was a pond here. My uncle Merrill

2781
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,280
uh dug it in 1972.

2782
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,320
And prior to that, my grandpa used to

2783
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,360
run cattle down in here, and we would go

2784
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:51,840
down, and you'd jump on the ground, and

2785
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,800
it would just slush just like Sorry. Uh

2786
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,520
just just quicksand. And so there's more

2787
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,560
water in this area than anybody realizes

2788
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,080
unless you've actually been down there

2789
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,480
and and messed with it as a kid. You

2790
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:05,880
know, I used to run down these ditches

2791
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:07,240
and and act and access.

2792
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:08,880
>> Okay. Okay.

2793
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,360
so I've been through here with

2794
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:12,280
several hydrogeologists and the state

2795
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,040
enforcement engineer. So how it kind of

2796
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:15,440
works is I'm

2797
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:17,160
don't know how lasers work.

2798
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:19,120
Okay, so right in here there's a pond

2799
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:20,640
that's linear. It's called Junior's

2800
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,480
Pond. There's several I want to say

2801
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:23,960
about 10 different water rights that are

2802
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:27,640
tied to that. They're not owned

2803
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,080
They're not the same as the property

2804
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,360
owner. They're different people in the

2805
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:31,400
area.

2806
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,880
Right around any here, it's actually

2807
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,880
peat soil. We've had cattle that have

2808
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:37,640
broke their legs in there before and it

2809
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,280
has methane gas and also has a high

2810
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,000
water content as well. There is a spring

2811
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,080
and a pond here. There's another pond

2812
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:49,360
here, here, and the other one that um

2813
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,560
Dan had just mentioned. So the way the

2814
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,800
ground works here is it's all clay down

2815
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,400
through this area. If you go across the

2816
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,760
street there, that's where the drainage

2817
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,440
district starts. But on the hillside,

2818
01:35:00,440 --> 01:35:03,880
it's um there's a string of quicksand

2819
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,440
and gravel soil. So as people build and

2820
01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:08,560
develop like through Spanish Fork, it

2821
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,360
acts as a sponge and will get new seeps

2822
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:11,600
and springs that kind of pop out in the

2823
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:12,440
different areas.

2824
01:35:12,440 --> 01:35:13,440
>> Okay.

2825
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:15,160
>> Also that there is a water right here

2826
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,000
and the water rights here. There are

2827
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,800
four jurisdictional drains right along

2828
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,720
SR 164.

2829
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,920
Um I have been in conversations with the

2830
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,480
section chief of Army Corps of Engineers

2831
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:28,520
and the EPA enforcement. There is a

2832
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,560
current

2833
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,040
How do I phrase this? There's a current

2834
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,760
investigation into some other

2835
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,040
water situations of the area because all

2836
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,040
this water here that's on the surface

2837
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,680
serves as the headwaters to Bear Creek

2838
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,120
and that's a jurisdictional water.

2839
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:43,720
>> Okay.

2840
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,200
>> Thank you.

2841
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,680
>> Okay.

2842
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:49,720
All right. Dean's engineer, I forgot

2843
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,360
your name. Scott. Scott Peterson, thank

2844
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:54,920
you. Okay, tell us about engineering.

2845
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:56,840
>> Does this come better from me or from

2846
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,040
Biden?

2847
01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:59,760
The regional

2848
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:00,640
studies.

2849
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:04,310
>> You could start.

2850
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:05,760
» Okay. So,

2851
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:11,000
this has been a big issue, right? It's an engineering issue. So, we

2852
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,640
the uh

2853
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:16,240
the water is high. There's a high ground

2854
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,080
water and we've we work in those.

2855
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,280
There's engineering processes to

2856
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:21,920
mitigate for that.

2857
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:23,400
There's a There's a storm drain and

2858
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,200
these will have a gravity system. So,

2859
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:26,960
we're collecting it in the roads. We're

2860
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,800
collecting the springs and there's even some

2861
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,560
specific areas in there that will be

2862
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,160
um excavated and monitored with spring

2863
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,000
collection over time

2864
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,080
to justify the house can be stably built

2865
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,280
in the later phases. So,

2866
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:45,080
there will be more more investigation

2867
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,320
done on that to to verify it in the

2868
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,840
field once we know we have some

2869
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,280
a viable project. The other thing is the easement uh

2870
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:56,320
that the Larsons granted us is for storm

2871
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,560
drain. It's a gravity feed system that

2872
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,397
has an exit point to convey

2873
01:37:00,397 --> 01:37:02,280
[clears throat] that water out of there.

2874
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:03,680
>> And so you

2875
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,120
>> Correct.

2876
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,240
>> Okay.

2877
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,760
>> So, and I'm there's I'll touch on the

2878
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,200
regional. I've we've been at this 10

2879
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,360
years on this property and we started

2880
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,240
out with a regional study to see what to

2881
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,280
do with the water through here because

2882
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,160
as you know, it flows to the south and

2883
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,120
then it crosses and goes down through

2884
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,320
Salem and part of Payson.

2885
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:26,760
So, it's

2886
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,840
I guess that's the the bottom line is

2887
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:30,400
the utilities go in and then there's a

2888
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:32,560
place for the water to go in the future.

2889
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,800
The peat There is place in there with

2890
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,960
peat and and that's not suitable soil.

2891
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,040
So, the soils engineers will be doing

2892
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,360
hole inspections on every home to make

2893
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:42,840
sure it's suitable before we put the

2894
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,320
house in, but of course, no basements in

2895
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:46,680
there either. So, it'll be a shallow

2896
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:48,080
footing system.

2897
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:48,960
>> Okay.

2898
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,120
>> Is that any other questions?

2899
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:52,360
>> Thank you.

2900
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,320
>> Yeah, I just Can I say one more

2901
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:55,240
>> Sure.

2902
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,640
>> It's a matter of opinion.

2903
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,760
Uh and I'm not against the subdivision,

2904
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:01,200
okay? I got to know that. I just want it

2905
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,160
30 acre and no cheating, no gaming,

2906
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:05,280
okay? But, the biggest thing is right

2907
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,280
here. He is right. There's a lot of

2908
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,000
water in here. This ground would be

2909
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,520
better served for Spanish Fork to make a

2910
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,080
water park sort of you know, with a

2911
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,520
walkway that goes down here cuz it's on

2912
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,400
the east side or you know, Main Street

2913
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:22,000
East. There's nothing on the west. You

2914
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,840
make this whole area clear down to

2915
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,160
Arrowhead Trail. I don't know. I don't

2916
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:27,720
know how you get the ground. But, you

2917
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,080
make that into a a cool

2918
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:31,960
uh nighttime where all these people that

2919
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:33,320
are going to be pushed in here or

2920
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,560
building here can participate and they

2921
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,240
can walk around there and enjoy the

2922
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,120
evening air uh when it's appropriate.

2923
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:41,920
>> Great. Thank you.

2924
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,160
Okay.

2925
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,400
Byron, what do you have to tell us?

2926
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,000
>> Yeah, just to add on to what Scott said.

2927
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:49,080
So,

2928
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,320
right now their plan they designed some

2929
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,240
land drains similar to what's west the

2930
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,080
drainage districts done west. These will

2931
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,760
be more ADS type pipes to collect

2932
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,480
where there's water coming out. Um

2933
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:04,320
they had an environmental company put

2934
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,760
together a report and that's what we

2935
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,720
reviewed and in the worst area or the

2936
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:11,680
wettest area that they show is actually

2937
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,120
why that park's there, too.

2938
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,440
Um so, we didn't want to put any homes

2939
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:17,640
where

2940
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:19,320
they showed where the actual spring is,

2941
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:20,360
but

2942
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,440
one of our conditions, too, is in phase

2943
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:25,040
one they're going to install all the

2944
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:26,680
land drains

2945
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:28,480
throughout the development in phase one

2946
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:30,680
and then we'll monitor it before the

2947
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:32,560
other phases come. So, if there's

2948
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,560
changes or or anything we've noticed,

2949
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:37,200
then we can make changes in the future

2950
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,760
phases. So, right now that's our plan.

2951
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,160
Um

2952
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,320
regionally it all goes south, and then

2953
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,760
there's existing culverts under SR 164,

2954
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:49,240
and that's where this will also tie into

2955
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,520
and continue to drain, and eventually it

2956
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,400
makes itself to Bear Creek, but yeah.

2957
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,200
>> Thank you.

2958
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,120
>> Are there any concerns with

2959
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,080
the existing springs down there and like

2960
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:02,800
the ponds and the people that own the

2961
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,760
water rights to those?

2962
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:06,200
>> Um

2963
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:07,960
>> Or do they or do we know?

2964
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:12,040
>> We haven't seen any water rights um

2965
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,760
for those particular springs that are

2966
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:16,720
different than the property owner, but

2967
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:18,120
as we collect them, that's one thing we

2968
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:19,920
want to watch. We want to get in phase

2969
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,800
one and watch [clears throat] it over

2970
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,080
the next couple years and see how it

2971
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,630
acts.

2972
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,200
» Yeah, cuz that was one of the questions

2973
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,080
about

2974
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:29,720
uh

2975
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:33,400
was about the impact to water

2976
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:36,520
for surrounding property owners.

2977
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:38,280
>> Yeah, I mean, their collection is just

2978
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,960
on this property. Um

2979
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:42,240
They'll work with the irrigation to

2980
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,640
continue with the irrigation company.

2981
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,840
The The company ditches will run however

2982
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,440
the irrigation company

2983
01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:51,720
uh asks them to keep it running and and

2984
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,560
pipe, but

2985
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,440
um we don't plan on putting the pipe in

2986
01:40:56,440 --> 01:40:59,680
anyone else's property. There's no

2987
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:01,920
design or desire to put it anywhere else

2988
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,840
but

2989
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,640
where this development is, so.

2990
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:06,520
>> Okay.

2991
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,960
Um let's see. What other questions do we

2992
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:12,080
have? That turn lane on Milroad and

2993
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,040
Arrowhead, we know that that's not

2994
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:15,400
neces- It sounds like this isn't

2995
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,000
necessarily part of this development,

2996
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:20,080
but sometimes things come up that

2997
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,200
>> Yeah, no, that's That's a good comment.

2998
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:23,280
Um

2999
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:24,880
Arrowhead

3000
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,280
or 164 is a UDot road, so they've just

3001
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:29,840
recently put that signal in, and at the

3002
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,160
time it didn't warrant a free right

3003
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,040
turn. I think it's a through and a

3004
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:36,520
right, and that's why you kind of have

3005
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:38,440
to wait to turn left, but we could

3006
01:41:38,440 --> 01:41:39,880
definitely get back with Udot and do

3007
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:41,720
another warrant study on that signal and

3008
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,480
see if it warrants further criteria

3009
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:46,000
right hand

3010
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,920
um turn, and if it does, then we can

3011
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,400
work with them to see what we can get

3012
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:50,600
input.

3013
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:50,880
>> Great.

3014
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,240
>> I I would say that's one of my big

3015
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,040
concerns. I come the other way, so it's

3016
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:55,520
these guys all have to wait for me cuz

3017
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,680
I'm turning. It's messy down there. And

3018
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:59,280
so, it's true, we throw a bunch more

3019
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,080
homes, it's going to get worse. I think

3020
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:02,560
sometimes it's an afterthought, and I

3021
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,600
think we got to figure this out before.

3022
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:06,360
And

3023
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:08,440
yes, before because

3024
01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:09,560
I know

3025
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:10,640
I mean, I've been in the commission for

3026
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:13,480
over a year now, but it's

3027
01:42:13,480 --> 01:42:16,000
I've watched the meetings forever, and

3028
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,040
everything that goes along Mill Road,

3029
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,560
you have the same concerns that come up

3030
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,840
every time. We have the same concerns.

3031
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,560
The traffic flow,

3032
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,000
um this the road's not wide enough,

3033
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:28,800
where's it actually going to go, what's

3034
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,240
the right of you know, where's the curb

3035
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:32,160
and gutter going to go.

3036
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:33,240
What's

3037
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,840
and we need a turn lane at the bottom.

3038
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:37,520
Inside, I do think that should be

3039
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:38,960
addressed by the city the whole length

3040
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:40,560
of Mill Road from the

3041
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,800
roundabout to Arrowhead.

3042
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:46,520
>> Right, because I do know I I mean, can

3043
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:48,280
we commit you to that you're going to

3044
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:50,480
hop right on that at least looking at

3045
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:52,560
the at the at least looking at the right

3046
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,080
turn lane area.

3047
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,760
>> Yeah, that we can talk

3048
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:57,840
to Udot tomorrow, um and then we'll talk

3049
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:58,600
to them about that.

3050
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:02,200
>> part of our lower property taxes and and

3051
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:03,080
our

3052
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:05,960
fiscal responsibleness for the city is

3053
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:06,960
that

3054
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,400
uh is that developers finish roads, and

3055
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,640
the city doesn't finish roads, but

3056
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,920
that's an area where developers aren't

3057
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,840
going to be

3058
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:19,680
developing for a long time, but when we

3059
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:23,240
approve areas that that impact that

3060
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,520
undeveloped road, it seems like there

3061
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,680
ought to be a uh

3062
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,840
that there ought to be something else

3063
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:31,760
worked out with the city

3064
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,080
uh that can

3065
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,640
since it's impacting

3066
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:37,400
Is that do impact fees help with those

3067
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:38,680
kind of things or?

3068
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,840
>> Yeah, so the widening of these master

3069
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,520
plan roads impact fees is what pays them

3070
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,840
back over time to help get those wider

3071
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,320
roads for future traffic.

3072
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:49,000
Um

3073
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:50,240
>> And and correct me if I'm wrong, but it

3074
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,240
sounds like if we have if this is a

3075
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:54,320
state road and then you and you were in

3076
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,600
a study, this could be an obligation for

3077
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:58,200
them assuming they see that's that's

3078
01:43:58,200 --> 01:43:59,880
warranted or is it because this is not

3079
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:01,040
on the state road itself? How does

3080
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:01,720
>> Mill Road

3081
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:02,760
>> that line get drawn?

3082
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:04,400
>> Mill Road's not a state road.

3083
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,320
>> Yeah, Mill Road is 164 your arrow head

3084
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:08,280
is, right?

3085
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:11,000
>> They tend to look at the city for

3086
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,920
widening on city streets. So, yeah, it'd

3087
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:14,240
be a city

3088
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:15,960
>> But for a turn lane, would that be city

3089
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:16,680
obligation as well?

3090
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:18,280
>> That's what they would look to, yeah, if

3091
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:19,760
it's warranted.

3092
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,760
>> I'd love it if there could be some kind

3093
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,240
of discussion about how to help Mill the

3094
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,360
length of Mill Road be

3095
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:30,320
better if we're going to add more homes

3096
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,160
that'll access that. Although

3097
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:34,640
Commissioner Woodhouse did bring up

3098
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:37,360
about how the 1700

3099
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,040
getting developed will alleviate some of

3100
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:42,160
the traffic on Mill Road.

3101
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:43,200
Is that what you're

3102
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:44,760
>> No, I don't think it'll affect Mill Road

3103
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:45,240
at all.

3104
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:45,840
>> Okay.

3105
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,240
>> This this development's going to a

3106
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:50,920
put a lot of traffic on the Mill Road.

3107
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:52,400
>> Yeah.

3108
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:53,720
>> So, we're

3109
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:56,800
just started re- doing our

3110
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,440
transportation master plan more

3111
01:44:58,440 --> 01:45:01,920
holistically or more of a revamp.

3112
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,040
Um we currently have a layout of Mill

3113
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,080
Road just because

3114
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:08,800
the master plan cross sections changed

3115
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,120
last

3116
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:11,520
couple times we've looked at it and

3117
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,480
there's existing homes mostly the east

3118
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:18,080
side's built out. So, we've kind of

3119
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,440
what without touching that curb, what

3120
01:45:20,440 --> 01:45:22,640
can we fit that still works and so we've

3121
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,920
started looking at that. But um

3122
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:26,680
I

3123
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,000
in the next 6 months or so we'll have

3124
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,320
that master plan done. We'll have actual

3125
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:32,920
counts.

3126
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:34,480
I mean it's down the road but we'll have

3127
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:36,440
an answer

3128
01:45:36,440 --> 01:45:37,400
here shortly. So

3129
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:38,560
>> All right.

3130
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,880
That sounds like a big concern.

3131
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:42,800
I think it was Mr. Millstein that talked

3132
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,040
about students walking to school and

3133
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,840
that is one thing that I do have that I

3134
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,560
do know about and I do know that all the

3135
01:45:51,560 --> 01:45:53,080
schools in the state need to have a

3136
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,080
school community council and every

3137
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,280
elementary school in the state must

3138
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,200
wait. I'm looking at you Mr. Davis but

3139
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,840
where's Mr. Millstein? There you are.

3140
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:04,400
Every school in the state

3141
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,960
elementary school has to have a safe

3142
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:08,880
walking plan. The school community

3143
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,080
council does designate that and they

3144
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,160
take that very seriously. They go

3145
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:15,000
through the maps and they

3146
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,640
look at what existing sidewalks are and

3147
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,720
where and so even ALA that's not part of

3148
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:26,920
Nebo school district but is a state funded charter school. They must

3149
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:28,720
have one too and so

3150
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:30,360
the kids that aren't walking the state

3151
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,000
the safe walking plan are not are not

3152
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:34,840
walking where they're supposed to and

3153
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:36,720
it's not always convenient to go on the

3154
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:38,600
safe walking plan because it's not the

3155
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,840
straight way but there is they do very

3156
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:43,680
much care about safe safety of the

3157
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:45,680
children. So

3158
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:47,720
let's see.

3159
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:49,840
Um

3160
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:52,840
Do we have any others that we

3161
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,960
Oh, sound wall along a property between

3162
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:58,280
two properties? I guess that would have

3163
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:00,680
to be worked out with

3164
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,480
between you and the

3165
01:47:03,480 --> 01:47:06,400
and our applicant our developer.

3166
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:10,040
That's not something that we require in the city. Is that right

3167
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:16,190
Mr. Anderson? Tell us about

3168
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:17,760
» I'm going to ask maybe

3169
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,240
Scott or

3170
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:20,480
Dean

3171
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:21,560
to point out what property line we're

3172
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:23,080
talking about here,

3173
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:26,574
if it's the one I'm thinking of,

3174
01:47:26,584 --> 01:47:29,310
» [cough]

3175
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:31,600
» it's uh

3176
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,720
Mr. Albert's property right here. And

3177
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,640
then there's one lot here.

3178
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:37,880
What we came up with with the city was

3179
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:39,840
we would put the wall right here because

3180
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,320
it was the back of the lot.

3181
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,720
But the front the frontage on Mr.

3182
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,280
Albert's hasn't been shown in the plans

3183
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:48,160
with a

3184
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:50,360
>> It's not shown in the plans, but that is

3185
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:51,600
a

3186
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:52,480
plan.

3187
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:54,880
>> There's There isn't a The plan is only

3188
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,600
to do Sorry, I'll show you over here.

3189
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,840
This this lot here because it's a rear

3190
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,800
lot.

3191
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:05,240
And then Charles' lot faces here, so we

3192
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:06,320
weren't putting it on.

3193
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:06,680
>> Oh.

3194
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,080
>> That That's where we ended up with the

3195
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:08,880
city.

3196
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:11,200
>> I think Mr. Albert had commented about

3197
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:13,640
sound wall during construction.

3198
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,550
>> Oh.

3199
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,920
» What about

3200
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,840
these lots along here?

3201
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:26,400
Cuz they're back of lots, too. Will they have a

3202
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:34,590
privacy fence along them or

3203
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,360
Yeah, that's the That's the feed lot,

3204
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,000
which

3205
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,520
I think would add value to your project,

3206
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:41,560
too.

3207
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,120
>> Yeah, I mean we we could do

3208
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:44,640
>> privacy fence along there.

3209
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:48,110
>> We don't have an issue with that at all.

3210
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:49,360
It is in

3211
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,080
Right. It's in the plan.

3212
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:52,480
>> [laughter]

3213
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:53,920
>> And I was wondering if the city requires

3214
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,600
that on the back where you're bordering

3215
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:58,680
>> they necessarily do. I think we just did

3216
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:00,240
it, right? I mean, typically it's home

3217
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:01,840
owners will put You got to be a little

3218
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,480
careful cuz

3219
01:49:03,480 --> 01:49:05,120
you go put a fence up and then they want

3220
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:07,480
to do a different style that for their

3221
01:49:07,480 --> 01:49:09,520
match their house, right? And

3222
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:10,320
you have to be a little careful with

3223
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:11,880
that, so. I can't think of very many

3224
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,040
situations where we haven't talked about

3225
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,640
some kind of fencing being installed at

3226
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:18,760
the time of development when you're next

3227
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:20,480
to something like that. So, usually it

3228
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:21,440
happens.

3229
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:21,600
>> Yeah.

3230
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,000
>> But I don't believe we have something in

3231
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,160
the ordinance that automatically

3232
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,080
requires it.

3233
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:27,400
>> Okay.

3234
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:27,800
>> We're okay.

3235
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,560
>> But it is in your plan, so that's great.

3236
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,040
>> I'm being told it's in the plans.

3237
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,440
>> Okay. Thank you.

3238
01:49:34,440 --> 01:49:35,000
>> Thanks.

3239
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,870
>> Thank you. I

3240
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,120
Sure. It's out of out of order, but

3241
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:42,600
we're just

3242
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:43,560
>> Just a minute.

3243
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:46,400
>> Just just very quickly, very quickly.

3244
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,080
>> So, one thing I still don't understand

3245
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,080
is this is like putting the cart before

3246
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,080
the horse in my book because every

3247
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:53,440
person that stood up here and talked

3248
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:55,880
about this has talked about Mill Road

3249
01:49:55,880 --> 01:49:57,840
and the other road on the on the north

3250
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,880
side being a problem. We're willing to

3251
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:01,480
go put these developments in and drop

3252
01:50:01,480 --> 01:50:03,560
them in place, and yet we haven't

3253
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:05,120
figured out what the solution is for

3254
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:06,520
those roads.

3255
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:08,920
I really think you owe it to the people

3256
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:10,280
that live there, all the people that

3257
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:13,920
have lived there for years and years and on that property to give us a

3258
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:15,680
plan about what you're going to do

3259
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:17,280
before the development goes in. I don't

3260
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,960
think it's one bit fair to just drop it

3261
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:22,440
in and then it works itself out.

3262
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:23,600
>> you. And you can tell that we're

3263
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,520
concerned about that, too. Appreciate

3264
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,240
that.

3265
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:31,880
Madam Chair, um I So, Byron, as the city

3266
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:33,800
transportation expert, I have some

3267
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,080
knowledge of regional transportation. Um

3268
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,720
so, I'm going to look for you for some

3269
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,440
support. Um but in my experience in

3270
01:50:40,440 --> 01:50:42,800
planning regional transportation,

3271
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:45,706
the development always comes first. Um

3272
01:50:45,706 --> 01:50:47,400
[snorts] the way we study transportation

3273
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:49,640
and how we move people, we do not

3274
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,760
proactively put in roads to manage

3275
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:56,200
possible future development.

3276
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,960
Unfortunately, we're reactive, and we

3277
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:01,560
rely on studies and traffic counts on

3278
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:03,680
the roads to invest funds in

3279
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:05,240
transportation.

3280
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,400
Can Can you tell me a little bit about

3281
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:09,760
on the city level, is it similar?

3282
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,840
>> Yeah, a

3283
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,800
Simply, we just don't have the funds to

3284
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,520
go build all the roads right now, right?

3285
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,920
So, that's why a lot of times we'll wait

3286
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:19,440
for development and then when there's

3287
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:21,360
larger roads needed, we work with them

3288
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,240
to to get the future right away what we

3289
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:24,760
need. Um

3290
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:27,680
Also, there's a lot of homes on the west

3291
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:29,320
side of Mill Road that probably doesn't

3292
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,760
want to sell property for a road. So, we

3293
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:34,400
wait till they want to develop and then

3294
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,320
we get it at that time, right?

3295
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:39,200
Yeah, so see

3296
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,600
>> Thank you. We We know. Thank you.

3297
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:43,320
>> I think we can get with you down and

3298
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,720
look and see if it's warranted and

3299
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,920
um if if a right turn lanes or either

3300
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,760
maybe it's phasing of that signal,

3301
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:54,560
right? Those are things we can look at

3302
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,040
and we will, but um widening the whole

3303
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,120
road along it's

3304
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:02,000
there just isn't the funds and and

3305
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,480
we're not going to go force people to

3306
01:52:03,480 --> 01:52:06,920
give that right away right now, so.

3307
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,000
>> Uh thank you.

3308
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,080
Okay. Um

3309
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:14,400
And then

3310
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:16,960
I think that Uh does anyone else have

3311
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:18,520
any other comments?

3312
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:20,240
>> I do. I mean, it's we're at a sticking

3313
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:22,120
point, right? Because the developer's

3314
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:23,560
not going to pay for a road way out

3315
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:24,800
there.

3316
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,200
But I don't know if it's fair to throw

3317
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:27,960
people that are out there in a pickle

3318
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,520
because we want to develop and

3319
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:31,640
seems like we don't have the money to

3320
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:33,840
fix it, so.

3321
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:39,470
I don't think there's an easy answer.

3322
01:52:39,480 --> 01:52:41,640
No, there's not and I think but I think

3323
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,280
the city has some responsibility to all

3324
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:44,920
the people that are there

3325
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:46,840
now and the people that are we're going

3326
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:50,360
to be bringing in to the area

3327
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:54,320
cuz we want them to feel safe and

3328
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:56,840
but you know, and I know the city's

3329
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,080
It seems to me that they we bought other

3330
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:02,080
roads, put in for some commercial

3331
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:03,800
developments and whatnot, bought the

3332
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:05,800
right-of-ways up to to that to bring in

3333
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,800
commercial developments. So, I think

3334
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:09,200
that's something

3335
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,120
the city should look at.

3336
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:12,320
least,

3337
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,280
you know, get a plan put a plan together

3338
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:16,040
of how it's going to look

3339
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:17,960
to give some comfort to the residents

3340
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:19,040
there.

3341
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:23,960
Also, I [snorts] another issue I have is

3342
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:25,600
the change

3343
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:27,800
in the zoning.

3344
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:32,750
Cuz we just approved the

3345
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,120
um

3346
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:36,040
general plan growth plan

3347
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:37,960
and that just months ago.

3348
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:39,040
>> Mhm.

3349
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,880
>> And one of the statements I remember

3350
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:44,120
being made was we want to get this in

3351
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,360
place so we can lock in our growth

3352
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:48,120
pattern and what we're doing for the

3353
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:49,880
next 5 years.

3354
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:54,120
And I see this a violation of that

3355
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:55,640
right there.

3356
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,400
That we went we went through that plan

3357
01:53:57,400 --> 01:53:59,200
and we actually tabled it for a month to

3358
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:01,560
get it cleared up because there was a

3359
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:04,200
possible development coming and a change

3360
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,080
that we didn't want to

3361
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,480
make the plan and then have to go back

3362
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:10,760
and make another change right away.

3363
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:13,000
And so, I personally

3364
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:17,600
feel that that dividing line between the

3365
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:19,160
estate

3366
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:22,200
and what we have now with the

3367
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:24,680
um

3368
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:26,360
medium density,

3369
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:29,640
we need to stick with that line.

3370
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,720
Um because I, you know, we spent a lot

3371
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:33,080
of time on it. The city put a lot of

3372
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:35,120
effort into drawing up the plan.

3373
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,320
And

3374
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,240
technically, they knew this was coming

3375
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,040
and they should have caught it and made

3376
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,680
that change at that time or drawn this

3377
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:45,760
in. So,

3378
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,680
I just have a strong feeling that I

3379
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:49,760
don't like to see us

3380
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,960
put a plan into action

3381
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:53,160
and go through all the work, city

3382
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:54,840
council votes on it, approves it, gives

3383
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:56,880
it there, and then

3384
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,600
6 months later we say, "Hey, guess what?

3385
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:00,640
We're going to change it and throw it

3386
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:01,800
all out."

3387
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,480
You know, cuz that was done

3388
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,520
and everybody should have been aware.

3389
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,920
That's my piece on it.

3390
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:10,984
>> Thank you.

3391
01:55:10,984 --> 01:55:11,000
>> [clears throat]

3392
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:12,160
>> Any uh yes.

3393
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,720
>> a couple of comments. Um so, the staff

3394
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:16,480
findings and and to Dave's earlier

3395
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,520
point, it does state that this is

3396
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:21,240
consistent with the city's general plan

3397
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:22,920
uh designation of medium density in the

3398
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:24,480
state density.

3399
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:26,120
It also meets the intent of the master

3400
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:28,000
plan development overlay zoning

3401
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:32,960
district. I really like home concepts. I

3402
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,200
sit through dozens of housing uh

3403
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:36,880
presentations

3404
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:38,320
every year.

3405
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:39,840
And if you think about the garden home

3406
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,680
concept with the state home, it really

3407
01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:45,840
offers members of the community to stay

3408
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,720
within their community as they're able

3409
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,760
to upsize in a home or downsize in a

3410
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,080
home based on their life needs. And so,

3411
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:57,840
I really I I I like this plan. Um

3412
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,040
I love the garden home concept. I like

3413
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:01,600
that you presented that and and not

3414
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:02,960
townhomes.

3415
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,200
Um I think it meshes well and and I do

3416
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:06,720
believe it's consistent with our general

3417
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:08,280
plan.

3418
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,360
>> I'll go ahead and make one comment about

3419
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:12,440
the general plan. The general plan is

3420
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:14,680
aspirational. It's not an actual zoning

3421
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:16,800
document or anything like that.

3422
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,120
And we're

3423
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:20,560
I don't know that we're even necessarily

3424
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:23,280
throwing that out here in this line.

3425
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:24,840
A lot of it is is subject to

3426
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:26,640
interpretation, but I but I think we can

3427
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,760
be clear. The zoning is what actually

3428
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:31,760
matters here. Um and that is the actual

3429
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:33,920
line and I think if we're talking a

3430
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:35,800
small amount and maybe I'm reading this

3431
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:38,480
line wrong, if the line is actually I'll

3432
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:40,000
do it the right way.

3433
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:41,560
Is the line here or is the line here?

3434
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:43,600
>> Let's Can we take a minute just to be

3435
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:46,880
clear about that? Yeah, so I'll ask

3436
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:48,760
We'll find a point of reference.

3437
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:55,830
>> Thank you.

3438
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:57,360
» So, I think if we go to the Nebo parcel

3439
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:02,980
corner, that might be a good one to use.

3440
01:57:02,990 --> 01:57:04,280
» [snorts]

3441
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:06,160
>> Yeah, you want to

3442
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,520
>> The road to the north is

3443
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:09,400
a good landmark.

3444
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:10,880
>> Even better. Yeah, good point.

3445
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:12,560
>> And what's interesting is with this

3446
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:14,440
general plan,

3447
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:17,560
it was centered on 1700 West, so then

3448
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:19,920
the city's now asking them to

3449
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:21,000
deviate from

3450
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:22,000
>> Curve it out.

3451
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:23,800
>> and curve it, and so the idea with the

3452
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:26,080
general plan is that density would then

3453
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:28,120
follow that curve.

3454
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:30,440
>> bend down just a little, Dave?

3455
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:30,720
No, sorry.

3456
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:32,440
>> Can you Can you use an arrow when you're

3457
01:57:32,440 --> 01:57:34,120
talking about that?

3458
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:35,000
Uh

3459
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:39,790
Okay. There's your arrow.

3460
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:42,120
» Do we have that on a plat, then we can

3461
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:42,400
compare

3462
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:51,910
>> a way to overlay the plat on that?

3463
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:55,080
» Go to the next page.

3464
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:56,520
Which one?

3465
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:58,000
There you go. See, you see the road to

3466
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,240
the north, north of 900 South.

3467
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:02,440
>> Yeah.

3468
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:04,680
So, it approximately cuts that in

3469
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:05,800
half.

3470
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:07,240
It's the line. Is that fair to say?

3471
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:09,480
>> right here, correct?

3472
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:11,280
>> right Yep, that's the line.

3473
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:12,200
>> Oh.

3474
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:13,320
>> It's basically from that road.

3475
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:14,000
>> Where's the arrow?

3476
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,696
>> We got too many pointers.

3477
01:58:15,696 --> 01:58:16,480
>> [laughter]

3478
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,720
>> Okay, so right here, that's where our

3479
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:20,360
line is.

3480
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:20,840
>> Yes.

3481
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:23,600
>> I I'd like to I'd like to acknowledge

3482
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:25,680
that when those lines are drawn on a

3483
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,520
general plan map, it's general, and so

3484
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,400
really it does give leeway to move a

3485
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:33,080
little bit over this way or move a

3486
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:36,360
little bit over that way, and that's

3487
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:38,800
up to city council to decide. It's up to

3488
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:42,080
planning commission to discuss whether

3489
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,360
is it worth it to move this over because

3490
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:46,560
we like this Oh, thank you. That's a

3491
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:47,800
great picture right there.

3492
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:48,640
>> Perfect right there.

3493
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:51,560
>> Is it worth it like there's a gap here

3494
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:55,120
because it's a it's a general line. And

3495
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,920
we can interpret that exactly.

3496
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:00,360
We can also say, "You know what? That

3497
01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:01,560
like uh

3498
01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:03,880
you know, some of us are saying I want

3499
01:59:03,880 --> 01:59:05,840
this line to be here." Or even like

3500
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:07,960
right here where that line is Road has

3501
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:10,280
proposed and make all of this estate

3502
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:11,440
density.

3503
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:13,480
Or we can go with what Commissioner

3504
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:15,400
Carroll says and she's like, "I like

3505
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:17,880
this, so I'm willing to

3506
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:19,960
blur that line over this way because

3507
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:21,800
this is a great product. It's a needed

3508
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:24,640
product. It's not a townhome. It's not a

3509
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:28,320
duplex. They aren't sharing walls. It

3510
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:31,440
you know, and so

3511
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:35,120
we very much can justify either way

3512
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:39,240
and be very honest about it. Um and and

3513
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:41,680
so and what I'm hearing is some of you

3514
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:43,640
in our audience neighbors are saying,

3515
01:59:43,640 --> 01:59:46,320
"I'd like this part to be estate

3516
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:49,800
density." So, that's kind of where our

3517
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:52,000
decision is on this. I'd love to hear

3518
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:54,080
what the other commissioners

3519
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:55,800
um think think on this because we have

3520
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:59,040
to vote one way or another. So, we know

3521
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,807
what General Carroll

3522
02:00:01,807 --> 02:00:02,160
>> [laughter]

3523
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:03,840
>> Commissioner Carroll, I just upgraded

3524
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:04,640
you.

3525
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:06,040
Uh

3526
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:08,080
where you stand on that and we know

3527
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:10,800
where Commissioner Woodhouse stands on

3528
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:12,640
that.

3529
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:14,120
Sure.

3530
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:15,600
Yes.

3531
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:17,560
>> So, yeah, that collector road obviously

3532
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:19,520
moved and that's what you're basing off

3533
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:20,440
of.

3534
02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:21,960
Um the other issue is you've got the

3535
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:23,520
other collector road. What's What's nice

3536
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:25,960
about this layout is when you get in

3537
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:29,320
front of the school, that's a wall in a

3538
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:30,920
along there.

3539
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:32,600
Masonry wall.

3540
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:35,240
There's zero cars backing out on the on

3541
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,760
the that that street across from the

3542
02:00:36,760 --> 02:00:38,080
school where you are pulling out of

3543
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:41,760
driveways when school buses and it's a collector road. So, you've got

3544
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:43,280
two collector roads you're doing this

3545
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:45,200
off of. That's kind of how we're looking

3546
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:46,520
at it that

3547
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:49,880
hey, this it matches well with what is

3548
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:52,040
there. We when you put homes directly

3549
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:53,960
across the street

3550
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:56,320
now you've got cars pulling out, you got

3551
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:57,760
and that's that's the entrance to the

3552
02:00:57,760 --> 02:00:59,880
school as you can see

3553
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:01,560
what they're thinking in a layout. So

3554
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:02,920
>> And you're thinking

3555
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:04,720
>> I think it is good to have a masonry

3556
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:06,480
wall. It's a collector road

3557
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:06,880
>> Okay.

3558
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:09,200
>> where we are not having any access

3559
02:01:09,200 --> 02:01:10,920
coming out onto that road in front of

3560
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:12,680
the school when you've got

3561
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:15,920
>> Thank you for that consideration.

3562
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,480
>> we do have I mean we did all the Mill

3563
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:20,680
Road subdivisions from

3564
02:01:20,680 --> 02:01:22,880
basically from that road all the way up

3565
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:24,520
to ALA

3566
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:26,400
at least on that side it wind a bit and

3567
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:28,440
we there's sidewalk getting all the way

3568
02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:30,720
up there now. We do try to

3569
02:01:30,720 --> 02:01:32,760
development does bring that, right? As

3570
02:01:32,760 --> 02:01:33,920
far as

3571
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:35,760
trying to solve those issues. I do think

3572
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:38,120
we have

3573
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:41,840
the the narrowness can sometimes be

3574
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:43,680
fixed with whether you allow parking on

3575
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,240
that road or not. There's still a

3576
02:01:46,240 --> 02:01:48,120
traffic lanes going there. I think the

3577
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,280
bigger issue is that the traffic light

3578
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:53,480
in order for that traffic not to stack

3579
02:01:53,480 --> 02:01:54,920
up, right? It's not

3580
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:55,760
>> Traffic light

3581
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:58,560
>> the width of the of the road. Correct.

3582
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:00,080
>> That that would be where the width would

3583
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:00,880
be important.

3584
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:01,640
>> That's something that

3585
02:02:01,640 --> 02:02:03,200
>> a traffic guy, but I mean I think that's

3586
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:03,760
what

3587
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:05,320
>> And that's something that Byron says we

3588
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:07,840
do have control of looking at.

3589
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:08,480
>> Yeah, cuz you

3590
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:09,360
>> Okay. Thank you.

3591
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:11,920
>> turn the issue is you can't turn right

3592
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:12,920
while it's a red light even though

3593
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:14,720
there's no cars coming because you're

3594
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:16,040
stuck behind somebody else.

3595
02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:17,760
>> Thank you. Hey, I'd also like to

3596
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,120
acknowledge I we know that there's

3597
02:02:19,120 --> 02:02:21,440
others of you here that are here for

3598
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:23,040
another item.

3599
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:24,680
Uh we apologize for the length, but it's

3600
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:29,240
really important to to be thorough about our vetting. So thank you. We'll

3601
02:02:29,240 --> 02:02:31,080
be just as thorough on yours. You'll be

3602
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:33,400
so excited to be here till 10. I'm I'm

3603
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:34,760
kidding.

3604
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:35,734
A little.

3605
02:02:35,734 --> 02:02:36,040
>> [laughter]

3606
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:39,920
>> Okay. So, all right. Uh

3607
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:44,120
are there any other concerns or thoughts

3608
02:02:44,120 --> 02:02:45,440
let's talk about I guess we'll talk

3609
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:47,240
about one thing at a time. Where is

3610
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:50,160
everybody on this

3611
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:53,720
especially given what or including

3612
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:56,120
what Dean just told us about.

3613
02:02:56,120 --> 02:02:59,190
Mike thoughts?

3614
02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:00,520
» I still can't get over the water in the

3615
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:03,200
road, but I also think that sometimes

3616
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:04,280
we

3617
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:07,840
I'm saying we as commission and city

3618
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:09,680
give a little bit of leeway maybe too

3619
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:12,200
much we leeway to fit more housing in

3620
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:13,680
and I get why

3621
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:16,600
Michelle yell at me now. I get why but

3622
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:19,440
sometimes I I think that we need to

3623
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:20,680
like I don't think this is going to fix

3624
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:22,520
the road. That's my biggest issue. I

3625
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:24,520
said I really the project I don't mind

3626
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:25,920
and I like how they set it up and I get

3627
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,200
why they've done it but with the water

3628
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:30,480
in the road issue down there I I it's

3629
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:33,120
going to put the neighbors in in the

3630
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:35,920
it's it's not going to be good.

3631
02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:37,800
So I can get the idea of the plan and I

3632
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:39,200
like it.

3633
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:40,520
But putting them any more houses right

3634
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:42,400
there is pretty crazy till we're ready

3635
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,000
for it.

3636
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:45,240
>> Okay.

3637
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:46,840
All right.

3638
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:48,560
Paul?

3639
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,400
>> My thought about at least sticking with

3640
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:52,640
the general plan is road alignments tend

3641
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:54,640
to matter more if we're changing roads,

3642
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:56,960
that's where we'd line things up. In my

3643
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:58,720
ideal world

3644
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:00,320
I'd like to see a grid everywhere which

3645
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,160
is not what we have like in the old part

3646
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:04,000
of town. I just comment on that because

3647
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:05,320
that actually works a lot easier with

3648
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:06,640
straight lines and everything like that

3649
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:08,080
but that's not what we have at any point

3650
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:11,800
here. I'm I'm I'm not as concerned about

3651
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:15,080
this extra section here you know sort of

3652
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:17,560
being added. I like the plan but to your

3653
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:18,920
point about the water and concerns like

3654
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:19,960
that

3655
02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:21,680
it sounds like there's a lot that is

3656
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:23,720
going to sort of be discovered as they

3657
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:25,280
go through this process. Obviously the

3658
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:28,000
point you brought up about monitoring um

3659
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:29,360
you know what the water situation looks

3660
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:31,240
like as we go through those phases. I

3661
02:04:31,240 --> 02:04:32,800
wouldn't necessarily hold on that. I

3662
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:37,040
know we can't sort everything here but I those will continue to be concerns and

3663
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:38,680
then, I guess I'll just generally

3664
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:40,480
comment on, you know, traffic. We do

3665
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:41,560
what we can do when we get to the

3666
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:42,960
development. That's just how we the

3667
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:45,040
finance things. But, I like the option

3668
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:47,480
that we have at least to

3669
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:49,280
I like hearing and understand and and

3670
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:51,120
sympathize with everyone's concern about

3671
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:55,280
traffic situation. And things that we do not happen in a bubble. And

3672
02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:57,040
obviously, you know, the situation on

3673
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:59,240
Arrowhead and and Mill, you know, we've

3674
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:00,360
commented that and I think we've got

3675
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:01,560
some good comments and I'm glad to hear

3676
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:03,600
that we can talk with the state. We're

3677
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:05,120
doing what's what's what's necessary to

3678
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:07,080
get there. And we can't solve

3679
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:08,160
everything, but we can solve what we

3680
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:09,960
can. So, those are my thoughts.

3681
02:05:09,960 --> 02:05:10,360
>> Okay.

3682
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:12,680
>> And we'll argue on everything.

3683
02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:13,640
>> All right. Welcome to Planning

3684
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:15,520
Commissioner uh Commissioner Ryan.

3685
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:17,640
>> quick here what I wanted to say.

3686
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:20,760
Um you know, Mill Road is the elephant

3687
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:22,400
in the room that

3688
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:24,240
it's going to be tough to address. It

3689
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:26,280
really is. And I'd love to see it cuz I

3690
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:27,720
drive it a lot.

3691
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:30,360
I mean, I I live right above this

3692
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:31,680
subdivision.

3693
02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:35,400
And I love this road right here

3694
02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:37,200
cuz I'm hoping it'll take a lot of

3695
02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:39,440
traffic away from my house.

3696
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:43,067
You know, I don't see the property above anything

3697
02:05:43,067 --> 02:05:43,880
[snorts and clears throat] happening in

3698
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:46,160
there for quite a while.

3699
02:05:46,160 --> 02:05:47,840
Um just from

3700
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,240
what I've heard.

3701
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:52,000
So, I don't see that's going to matter,

3702
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,480
but I do love the idea of this road

3703
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:55,720
and that.

3704
02:05:55,720 --> 02:05:58,920
But, I'm also stuck on what we've what

3705
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:01,600
we went through months ago with the

3706
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:03,000
planning and zoning.

3707
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:04,000
on that

3708
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:06,520
And we approved

3709
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:08,960
what we approved and now like uh let's

3710
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:10,840
just throw that aside.

3711
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:12,440
You know,

3712
02:06:12,440 --> 02:06:15,080
it's just a general idea. No, when we

3713
02:06:15,080 --> 02:06:16,680
were told this is the way and we can

3714
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:18,440
hold this line. We want to we wanted to

3715
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:21,280
plan for the next 5 years. We it got

3716
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:23,400
approved. Went through the city council,

3717
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:24,560
everything.

3718
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:29,600
And so, I have a problem with that. I do see

3719
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:33,440
with that road coming up here that yes

3720
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:35,760
it could push here a bit but I would

3721
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:37,040
rather see

3722
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:38,480
a few more

3723
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:41,362
estate lots over here.

3724
02:06:41,362 --> 02:06:41,840
>> [snorts]

3725
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:44,920
>> Um because that's what we've approved in

3726
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:47,560
the past. So

3727
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:51,480
you know, that's what we voted on and the map and the general plan.

3728
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:53,360
So that's my stand.

3729
02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:56,080
>> Thank you. Okay. Um like I started to

3730
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:57,760
say oh, Dave, did you have something

3731
02:06:57,760 --> 02:06:59,680
>> With some hesitation if you don't mind.

3732
02:06:59,680 --> 02:06:59,960
>> Yes.

3733
02:06:59,960 --> 02:07:01,960
>> So clearly you understand what the

3734
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:03,440
options are here tonight. You can

3735
02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:05,240
recommend approval, denial. There are

3736
02:07:05,240 --> 02:07:06,600
two different applications.

3737
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:06,920
>> Right.

3738
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:08,280
>> You could continue this

3739
02:07:08,280 --> 02:07:08,560
>> Yeah.

3740
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,360
>> for further study maybe even to study

3741
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:11,480
how to

3742
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:12,520
uh

3743
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:13,920
potentially improve Mill Road or an

3744
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:16,320
intersection. Um

3745
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:17,680
I

3746
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:18,800
for Commissioner what else I really

3747
02:07:18,800 --> 02:07:20,360
appreciate is perspective. I mean I

3748
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:21,440
think

3749
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:23,760
it's hard to argue with the line work as

3750
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:26,000
you might take it at face value. Again,

3751
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:27,240
we as staff look at a little bit

3752
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:30,480
differently um in terms of how the

3753
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:33,360
general plan might work but I you also

3754
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:37,280
might want to revisit the land use map

3755
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:39,440
for this which like we talked about even

3756
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:42,200
just going through the adoption process

3757
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:44,080
uh and finishing that up fairly recently

3758
02:07:44,080 --> 02:07:45,080
on a

3759
02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:47,880
big change, we expect that to happen

3760
02:07:47,880 --> 02:07:49,680
over time. You know, that that

3761
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:51,480
document's pliable.

3762
02:07:51,480 --> 02:07:54,600
Um or is intended at least to be that

3763
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:56,240
way. So

3764
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:57,680
I

3765
02:07:57,680 --> 02:07:59,640
we do not want as staff to be

3766
02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:01,440
recommending

3767
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:03,680
that things be approved that aren't

3768
02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:05,680
consistent with the general plan or that

3769
02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:07,600
you know, aren't perceived as being

3770
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:09,720
consistent with the general plan.

3771
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:10,880
So

3772
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:12,880
just that thought occurred to me as

3773
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:14,760
well. So if that's a value.

3774
02:08:14,760 --> 02:08:16,080
>> Thank you.

3775
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:17,800
Okay.

3776
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:19,360
All right.

3777
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:21,720
No pressure on your first day.

3778
02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:23,040
>> First day, that's exciting.

3779
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:24,520
>> But you know what? Would you like to

3780
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:27,000
give us your thoughts? It's kind of nice

3781
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,480
to have the new people to

3782
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:30,000
>> Yeah, they're really nice.

3783
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:31,200
>> Give your thoughts.

3784
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:36,120
>> Um yeah, this is a difficult project and I really like what Arrive has done

3785
02:08:36,120 --> 02:08:38,320
here. And I also recognize that the

3786
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:39,560
general

3787
02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:41,640
plan is just that, a general plan, kind

3788
02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:45,120
of the spirit of the idea. And so approaching a little

3789
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:48,640
bit in on that estate side, I I don't have a

3790
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:50,800
problem with that. And I do like

3791
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:53,040
that these are not duplexes or townhomes

3792
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:58,120
or apartment buildings. I really really like that a lot. So

3793
02:08:58,120 --> 02:09:01,160
um I I like I like what they've done

3794
02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:02,480
there.

3795
02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:04,880
>> Okay, thank you.

3796
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:06,480
All right, I have just a couple of

3797
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:08,120
things. One thing I haven't brought up

3798
02:09:08,120 --> 02:09:10,440
on only just a very much little bit

3799
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:12,600
alluded to.

3800
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:15,280
I know that that that this uh master

3801
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:18,600
plan development is it meets technically

3802
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:20,960
it technically meets the requirements

3803
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:23,160
for a master plan development. I do not

3804
02:09:23,160 --> 02:09:25,360
love that 35%

3805
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:27,360
is less than 1,500

3806
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:30,680
sq ft and that there are lots that are

3807
02:09:30,680 --> 02:09:33,320
down to 10,000 sq ft. That seems like a

3808
02:09:33,320 --> 02:09:35,160
huge cheat to me.

3809
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:37,360
I know that that's not I know you're not

3810
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:38,600
cheating, you're

3811
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:41,280
working within what that plan is. But to

3812
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:42,520
me

3813
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:44,120
uh that just

3814
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:46,720
I I would rather see

3815
02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:49,880
um less lots and more of them go toward

3816
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:54,120
uh closer to the 1,500 sq ft. Um that's

3817
02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:55,520
just me and I

3818
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:57,160
I've said that for 6 years. That's

3819
02:09:57,160 --> 02:09:59,480
always how I've how I that's consistent

3820
02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:00,560
with me.

3821
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:02,840
Um

3822
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:07,720
I too am I I also really like this

3823
02:10:07,720 --> 02:10:09,760
development a lot. I think it's come a

3824
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:11,760
long way. I've been here when you've

3825
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:13,560
come and talked to us twice about it.

3826
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:14,840
>> You were on the party bus.

3827
02:10:14,840 --> 02:10:17,080
>> I was on the party bus. You are an

3828
02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:19,160
optimistic man.

3829
02:10:19,160 --> 02:10:21,400
And

3830
02:10:21,400 --> 02:10:23,920
I was on the bus, yes. We went on a

3831
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:26,040
field trip down to that area several

3832
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:28,600
years ago. Correct, we said no town

3833
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:29,600
homes.

3834
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:31,560
I really do

3835
02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:33,520
love It was a long time ago. This is my

3836
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,360
last meeting today.

3837
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:37,560
Uh and uh

3838
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:38,920
and so

3839
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:42,720
but my biggest concern is that I feel like

3840
02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:45,000
if we send something to the city council

3841
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,960
to recommend, then I think we need to

3842
02:10:47,960 --> 02:10:51,720
make sure you're set up for big success.

3843
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:53,540
And I feel like you've come I feel like

3844
02:10:53,540 --> 02:10:54,520
[clears throat] it's come a long way,

3845
02:10:54,520 --> 02:10:56,400
but I feel like there needs to like

3846
02:10:56,400 --> 02:10:58,560
there might need to be

3847
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:01,040
a little bit more work addressing how

3848
02:11:01,040 --> 02:11:03,360
impacts to roads

3849
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:05,400
and um

3850
02:11:05,400 --> 02:11:08,240
it does sound like you have a plan like

3851
02:11:08,240 --> 02:11:10,800
you're willing to take

3852
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:13,680
gamble is the wrong word. Take the risk

3853
02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:16,600
with the water and confident with the

3854
02:11:16,600 --> 02:11:19,640
engineering on how that could work and

3855
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:20,840
confident put in enough that you're

3856
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:23,240
willing to invest that much money and

3857
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:24,480
there's no way you're going to build a

3858
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:26,280
product that's going to cause water

3859
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:29,680
problems for who you build it for.

3860
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:31,360
So

3861
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:34,160
I guess my biggest concern

3862
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:37,120
is the road too and I it there's no easy

3863
02:11:37,120 --> 02:11:39,600
answer. I cuz I understand that about

3864
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:40,600
roads.

3865
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:42,920
Let me just address one other thing um

3866
02:11:42,920 --> 02:11:45,520
about uh about Jackie Larson's comments.

3867
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:47,840
We haven't said anything about what

3868
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:50,000
you've said, Jackie, and we acknowledge

3869
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:51,760
and appreciate that you'll come and talk

3870
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:54,760
come and address. Um

3871
02:11:54,760 --> 02:11:58,960
I personally feel like your concerns

3872
02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:01,000
I I don't know. I just am someone who

3873
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:02,760
has confidence that

3874
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:06,520
the law will work, that you and the and

3875
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:09,680
the city and the developer will and

3876
02:12:09,680 --> 02:12:11,880
that it'll all work out. Like no one's

3877
02:12:11,880 --> 02:12:13,280
going to go against the law or go

3878
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:16,960
against what they've said. And so I'm I

3879
02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:18,880
know that it's a huge concern for you

3880
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:21,800
and I completely respect that.

3881
02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:23,080
Um

3882
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:26,880
but I have confidence in the in the in

3883
02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:30,040
the process in that in the law and the

3884
02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:32,320
legal process on that.

3885
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:34,400
Does anybody else have any additional

3886
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,280
comments about that?

3887
02:12:36,280 --> 02:12:38,640
Okay. So,

3888
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:40,640
with that being said, I'm not even sure

3889
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:43,760
how this is going to turn out, but

3890
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:46,360
we have to take two We have to do two

3891
02:12:46,360 --> 02:12:48,200
motions. I have to entertain two

3892
02:12:48,200 --> 02:12:50,880
motions. Is that correct? Which do I do

3893
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:51,840
first?

3894
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:53,520
>> The zone change for this hasn't changed.

3895
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:55,160
>> The preliminary plats first.

3896
02:12:55,160 --> 02:12:57,800
>> Preliminary plat. And I guess the other

3897
02:12:57,800 --> 02:13:01,400
option is we can also move that

3898
02:13:01,400 --> 02:13:04,360
we continue this for another month and

3899
02:13:04,360 --> 02:13:07,400
make no recommendation.

3900
02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:09,560
We could

3901
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:12,000
What are the other options?

3902
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:14,800
Does anybody have Okay.

3903
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:16,320
Should I just start off with preliminary

3904
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:19,080
plat? I I This is tricky. I don't know

3905
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:19,720
what to do.

3906
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:20,600
>> So,

3907
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:21,880
if you can make it someone can make a

3908
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:23,537
motion on the on the preliminary

3909
02:13:23,537 --> 02:13:25,040
[clears throat] plat issue.

3910
02:13:25,040 --> 02:13:26,720
>> Okay, I'll make a motion.

3911
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:29,360
>> All right. I move to recommend the

3912
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:31,840
approval of the proposed Leland Meadows

3913
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,160
subdivision preliminary plat based on

3914
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:37,480
the staff's findings and conditions.

3915
02:13:37,480 --> 02:13:39,200
>> Do we have a second?

3916
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:40,520
>> I'll second.

3917
02:13:40,520 --> 02:13:43,040
>> All in favor?

3918
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:43,720
I.

3919
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:45,640
>> I.

3920
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:46,840
>> Uh all opposed?

3921
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:48,280
>> I.

3922
02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:52,880
>> Okay, so we have two against and four

3923
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:53,360
>> Four.

3924
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:56,400
So, that passes, but ought to make

3925
02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:58,800
a note to the city council.

3926
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:00,440
Okay, now

3927
02:14:00,440 --> 02:14:02,800
>> So, we've had one public hearing.

3928
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:04,160
And the public hearing discussed both

3929
02:14:04,160 --> 02:14:06,040
the preliminary plat and lots of

3930
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:07,280
questions on the zone change, but

3931
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:08,840
technically we should have a public

3932
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:11,160
hearing on the zone change issue as

3933
02:14:11,160 --> 02:14:11,800
well.

3934
02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:14,360
>> Okay, especially since that's come up

3935
02:14:14,360 --> 02:14:16,440
with how we would do that zone.

3936
02:14:16,440 --> 02:14:17,800
>> Well, and so lots of people have already

3937
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:19,560
commented and so you can

3938
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:20,880
manage that how you want.

3939
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:22,400
>> Can I

3940
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:24,960
just ask why

3941
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:27,440
we approved the plat before the zoning

3942
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:28,360
was approved?

3943
02:14:28,360 --> 02:14:30,160
>> There's a condition on the preliminary

3944
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:31,760
plat approval

3945
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:33,680
that the zoning be

3946
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:38,640
uh recommended and approved with the city council. So, if if if the

3947
02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:41,560
city council doesn't approve the zone

3948
02:14:41,560 --> 02:14:44,080
change then

3949
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:47,080
the preliminary plat can't pass.

3950
02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:48,520
So, because of that condition, you do

3951
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:49,800
the preliminary plat first and then

3952
02:14:49,800 --> 02:14:52,000
>> So, but it puts us in a tight spot cuz

3953
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:53,480
it's like, okay,

3954
02:14:53,480 --> 02:14:55,560
the plat just passed

3955
02:14:55,560 --> 02:14:57,280
but we still have to approve the zoning.

3956
02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:58,280
>> You don't have to. You can still

3957
02:14:58,280 --> 02:14:58,920
recommend

3958
02:14:58,920 --> 02:14:59,823
>> That's one but

3959
02:14:59,823 --> 02:15:00,640
>> [clears throat]

3960
02:15:00,640 --> 02:15:02,920
>> then

3961
02:15:02,920 --> 02:15:04,680
that's what I was torn on that. Why vote

3962
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:06,400
for the plat if I

3963
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:07,920
>> We're just recommenders. They can look

3964
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:08,320
to see

3965
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:10,480
>> Vote the other way on the zoning.

3966
02:15:10,480 --> 02:15:11,680
It'd look like

3967
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:12,440
>> All right.

3968
02:15:12,440 --> 02:15:14,840
>> a mixed Yeah, it didn't

3969
02:15:14,840 --> 02:15:15,040
Okay.

3970
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:16,200
>> Okay.

3971
02:15:16,200 --> 02:15:16,853
All right.

3972
02:15:16,853 --> 02:15:17,920
>> [clears throat]

3973
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:20,920
>> So, we've also had a

3974
02:15:20,920 --> 02:15:22,760
public Do I need to open a public

3975
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:24,560
hearing? Okay, I'd like to open the

3976
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:28,440
public hearing for the zone change.

3977
02:15:28,440 --> 02:15:29,720
Would anyone like to come and talk

3978
02:15:29,720 --> 02:15:33,790
particularly about our zone change?

3979
02:15:33,800 --> 02:15:36,040
And let me say high level is that the

3980
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:38,920
zone change is that

3981
02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:41,240
we go down this line.

3982
02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:43,800
Correct? And that this line right here

3983
02:15:43,800 --> 02:15:49,760
this area here is medium density R16 and

3984
02:15:49,760 --> 02:15:54,360
this area here is low density R1

3985
02:15:54,360 --> 02:15:57,120
estate density.

3986
02:15:57,120 --> 02:15:58,800
>> 115

3987
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:04,270
>> R115

3988
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:04,960
Okay.

3989
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:07,510
>> Yeah.

3990
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:10,600
» This is one, this is the other. Okay.

3991
02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:17,030
>> No.

3992
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:18,080
They all look the same color.

3993
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:20,160
>> houses are the one, the other's the

3994
02:16:20,160 --> 02:16:20,960
other.

3995
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:24,000
>> Oh, these

3996
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:24,800
>> Yeah.

3997
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:26,960
>> Okay, they all look the same color to

3998
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:27,880
me.

3999
02:16:27,880 --> 02:16:28,480
All right.

4000
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:31,120
>> Let's get Scott, let's get more variety

4001
02:16:31,120 --> 02:16:32,178
in our colors.

4002
02:16:32,178 --> 02:16:34,390
>> [laughter]

4003
02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:37,400
» We need some red. Okay, thank you. I can

4004
02:16:37,400 --> 02:16:40,880
see where that is now. All right.

4005
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:42,960
Please.

4006
02:16:42,960 --> 02:16:44,559
>> You know my name. I'm just thinking

4007
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:46,280
possibilities here.

4008
02:16:46,280 --> 02:16:47,480
This does

4009
02:16:47,480 --> 02:16:49,000
you know, it's sort of a

4010
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:53,800
if you omit this from being R6

4011
02:16:53,800 --> 02:16:56,080
it's sort of like you feel like you're

4012
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:57,519
it's not going to be it's not going to

4013
02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:58,920
cash flow.

4014
02:16:58,920 --> 02:17:00,200
The deal isn't going to cash flow to

4015
02:17:00,200 --> 02:17:01,760
build all this in.

4016
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:03,080
But not necessarily because this is

4017
02:17:03,080 --> 02:17:04,559
going to be a five lane road, it's going

4018
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:06,519
to hook to Center Street exit when they

4019
02:17:06,519 --> 02:17:08,360
build it out. It's going to be a very

4020
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:11,000
big arterial road. It's going to drain

4021
02:17:11,000 --> 02:17:12,800
all this one way or the other. People

4022
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:15,120
will go to the point of least resistance

4023
02:17:15,120 --> 02:17:16,679
just like water.

4024
02:17:16,679 --> 02:17:20,240
And that means this opens this ground up

4025
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:23,080
for something other than and the the use

4026
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:25,400
could be determined at that point that

4027
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:27,599
could that could bring a higher revenue

4028
02:17:27,599 --> 02:17:32,280
for the developer than just R6 housing.

4029
02:17:32,280 --> 02:17:32,599
>> Thank [snorts] you.

4030
02:17:32,599 --> 02:17:34,559
>> to be a big big intersection.

4031
02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:35,120
>> Right.

4032
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:36,400
>> It's a real opportunity.

4033
02:17:36,400 --> 02:17:39,870
>> Thank you.

4034
02:17:39,880 --> 02:17:42,360
Anyone else?

4035
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:43,639
All right, thank you. We will close

4036
02:17:43,639 --> 02:17:45,880
public hearing. All right,

4037
02:17:45,880 --> 02:17:46,760
uh

4038
02:17:46,760 --> 02:17:49,719
Do is there any discussion? Okay, uh I'd

4039
02:17:49,719 --> 02:17:53,430
entertain a motion.

4040
02:17:53,440 --> 02:17:55,280
» I'll make a motion. I move to recommend

4041
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:56,920
the approval of the proposed Leland

4042
02:17:56,920 --> 02:17:58,880
Meadow zone change based on the

4043
02:17:58,880 --> 02:18:02,360
conditions and findings as noted.

4044
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:03,960
>> I second that motion.

4045
02:18:03,960 --> 02:18:06,599
>> All all favor? Aye.

4046
02:18:06,599 --> 02:18:07,639
All opposed?

4047
02:18:07,639 --> 02:18:08,960
>> Aye.

4048
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:12,679
>> Okay, so that passes 4 to 2.

4049
02:18:12,679 --> 02:18:14,000
All right, that'll be interesting to

4050
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:16,040
hear the city council's

4051
02:18:16,040 --> 02:18:18,200
discussion about that and hopefully they

4052
02:18:18,200 --> 02:18:20,400
won't talk about it as long as we do,

4053
02:18:20,400 --> 02:18:21,679
but maybe they will.

4054
02:18:21,679 --> 02:18:22,920
>> Madam Chair.

4055
02:18:22,920 --> 02:18:23,360
>> Yes.

4056
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:27,270
>> Once again, just a couple of thoughts.

4057
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:29,440
It's not uncommon

4058
02:18:29,440 --> 02:18:31,880
for projects to go from the planning

4059
02:18:31,880 --> 02:18:34,080
commission to the city council,

4060
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:36,160
you know, from one meeting to the next.

4061
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:38,200
We haven't noticed

4062
02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:39,920
this project for a public hearing with

4063
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:42,240
the city council yet.

4064
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:44,760
And it's quite possible that

4065
02:18:44,760 --> 02:18:46,599
in fact, I certainly think that we as

4066
02:18:46,599 --> 02:18:48,480
staff need to

4067
02:18:48,480 --> 02:18:49,920
make sure that we've studied everything

4068
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:52,719
that we can and have approached UDOT and

4069
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,400
have some kind of

4070
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:55,880
sense for where they are and what that

4071
02:18:55,880 --> 02:18:57,320
might look like from a timing

4072
02:18:57,320 --> 02:18:59,120
perspective should

4073
02:18:59,120 --> 02:19:01,559
there be a viable option to expect

4074
02:19:01,559 --> 02:19:03,639
that intersection at Mill Road and 164

4075
02:19:03,639 --> 02:19:05,800
to maybe be enhanced or improved or that

4076
02:19:05,800 --> 02:19:08,519
type of a thing. So just for the sake of

4077
02:19:08,519 --> 02:19:10,360
anybody that might be trying to track

4078
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:12,400
this and when it'll be on an agenda,

4079
02:19:12,400 --> 02:19:15,080
anybody that received a notice for

4080
02:19:15,080 --> 02:19:16,880
the hearings tonight

4081
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:18,280
will receive a notice again in the

4082
02:19:18,280 --> 02:19:21,639
future. We'll get different signs put up

4083
02:19:21,639 --> 02:19:23,559
for that and that Excuse me, we'll get

4084
02:19:23,559 --> 02:19:25,800
different signs put up

4085
02:19:25,800 --> 02:19:28,240
for hearings with the council as well,

4086
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:30,760
but I don't think that'll likely be in 2

4087
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:34,120
weeks. We'll

4088
02:19:34,120 --> 02:19:36,440
I don't know when that will be, but

4089
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:37,920
we'll take time

4090
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:40,166
to

4091
02:19:40,166 --> 02:19:40,440
>> [snorts]

4092
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:42,360
>> get what information we can on that. And

4093
02:19:42,360 --> 02:19:43,679
just one other thought, and I I

4094
02:19:43,679 --> 02:19:47,559
appreciate what Mr. Woodhouse said

4095
02:19:47,559 --> 02:19:50,720
back in 2004, five, or six,

4096
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:52,080
traffic on Mill Road became an issue

4097
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:54,160
because of ALA.

4098
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,680
Then it was Old Mill Estates

4099
02:19:56,680 --> 02:19:58,920
and I think Alice Engineering was

4100
02:19:58,920 --> 02:20:00,480
involved in trying to figure out how to

4101
02:20:00,480 --> 02:20:01,880
enhance

4102
02:20:01,880 --> 02:20:03,520
that is widen different parts of Mill

4103
02:20:03,520 --> 02:20:07,040
Road in the 2008-2009

4104
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:09,880
era. Then it was Millstein Meadows

4105
02:20:09,880 --> 02:20:11,720
that added So, this has gone on, right?

4106
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:13,640
Every time there's been a new

4107
02:20:13,640 --> 02:20:15,880
development that's come along and what

4108
02:20:15,880 --> 02:20:18,320
Mr. Haslam said is absolutely true.

4109
02:20:18,320 --> 02:20:21,040
They're homes that front onto Mill Road,

4110
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:23,400
property owners that I we typically

4111
02:20:23,400 --> 02:20:26,680
assume don't want to be involved in road

4112
02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:30,360
expansions and that type of a thing. Um

4113
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:32,040
so those expansions typically just

4114
02:20:32,040 --> 02:20:33,680
happen when somebody's ready to change

4115
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:35,240
their land use.

4116
02:20:35,240 --> 02:20:36,640
Um

4117
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:38,080
I

4118
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:40,120
So, I'm not entirely optimistic that

4119
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:42,240
we'll have any better information for

4120
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:44,560
residents or the council

4121
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:46,200
when this goes to the city council, but

4122
02:20:46,200 --> 02:20:47,640
we're going to try. We're going to see

4123
02:20:47,640 --> 02:20:51,600
what might be able to be done and you know, maybe what that

4124
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:53,120
looks like from a timing perspective and

4125
02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:55,200
that sort of a thing.

4126
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:56,960
>> Thank you.

4127
02:20:56,960 --> 02:20:58,120
>> Okay.

4128
02:20:58,120 --> 02:20:59,560
All right.

4129
02:20:59,560 --> 02:21:02,480
Our next item is the Hollow Acres

4130
02:21:02,480 --> 02:21:05,960
commercial zone change.

4131
02:21:05,960 --> 02:21:13,310
Who's going to present to us on that?

4132
02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:15,000
Brandon's getting up and down again.

4133
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:16,560
That sore back. Hope you've got some

4134
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:17,520
Motrin or ibuprofen.

4135
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:19,080
>> I'm surprised you don't want a quick

4136
02:21:19,080 --> 02:21:22,080
break. Um

4137
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:22,800
This is the

4138
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:24,680
>> got to we've got to get these people

4139
02:21:24,680 --> 02:21:26,240
that have been waiting going through.

4140
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:28,080
>> This is No, you're right. This is the

4141
02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:32,280
east side of town. Um just to be clear

4142
02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:35,120
this is for the zone change only. There

4143
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:37,720
is no platting, there is no site plan.

4144
02:21:37,720 --> 02:21:39,760
The images that were provided by the

4145
02:21:39,760 --> 02:21:42,240
applicant are conceptual in nature

4146
02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:43,640
showing how

4147
02:21:43,640 --> 02:21:45,600
they might utilize the property that

4148
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:47,600
they're proposing to

4149
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:50,320
um rezone from

4150
02:21:50,320 --> 02:21:50,920
uh

4151
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:53,480
rural residential to commercial.

4152
02:21:53,480 --> 02:21:55,160
Um this is the part of town that we're

4153
02:21:55,160 --> 02:21:57,520
looking at. It's a

4154
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:58,840
growing,

4155
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:01,480
uh, intersection with increased traffic

4156
02:22:01,480 --> 02:22:03,800
volumes every year, uh, Spanish Fork

4157
02:22:03,800 --> 02:22:04,960
Parkway

4158
02:22:04,960 --> 02:22:08,520
and, uh, 400 North. What we're looking

4159
02:22:08,520 --> 02:22:12,360
at is just this parcel of property that

4160
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:15,480
abuts, uh, Spanish Fork Parkway. This

4161
02:22:15,480 --> 02:22:17,040
separate parcel is owned by Rocky

4162
02:22:17,040 --> 02:22:20,000
Mountain Power and is not included, uh,

4163
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:22,440
in the requested zone change tonight.

4164
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:23,480
Um,

4165
02:22:23,480 --> 02:22:26,800
the property is over 8 acres in size.

4166
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:27,520
Uh,

4167
02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:30,400
might even be over 9 acres. Um,

4168
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:31,560
but what they're looking at is

4169
02:22:31,560 --> 02:22:34,120
requesting just for the northern portion

4170
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:36,720
to change. So, if we go to the next

4171
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:38,240
slide,

4172
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:40,360
on the left you'll see

4173
02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:42,600
the current zoning districts. The

4174
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:46,120
property, the south portion, is R112.

4175
02:22:46,120 --> 02:22:47,640
That was changed by the City Council and

4176
02:22:47,640 --> 02:22:49,000
Planning Commission

4177
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:51,360
a few years back in anticipation of

4178
02:22:51,360 --> 02:22:52,560
doing,

4179
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:55,680
uh, large lot development.

4180
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:56,840
At the time there were some other

4181
02:22:56,840 --> 02:22:59,160
proposals, uh, for the north half that

4182
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:01,800
were not, uh,

4183
02:23:01,800 --> 02:23:04,040
modified or looked on favorably at that

4184
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:07,440
time. Um, so what the request is, we

4185
02:23:07,440 --> 02:23:10,760
have the RR portion, rural residential,

4186
02:23:10,760 --> 02:23:14,120
and then a sliver of the, um, R112

4187
02:23:14,120 --> 02:23:15,400
portion.

4188
02:23:15,400 --> 02:23:17,320
On the right you see the land use

4189
02:23:17,320 --> 02:23:20,400
designation from the general plan.

4190
02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:23,720
Uh, what it anticipates is

4191
02:23:23,720 --> 02:23:27,120
some commercial presence there at the

4192
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:30,320
southeast quadrant of the intersection.

4193
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:32,960
And so you can see that, uh, potentially

4194
02:23:32,960 --> 02:23:34,400
Rocky Mountain Power, if they ever sold

4195
02:23:34,400 --> 02:23:36,960
it or if they ever develop it, um,

4196
02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:38,200
that's something they could potentially

4197
02:23:38,200 --> 02:23:40,720
look at, but not necessarily have to do.

4198
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:43,360
Um, let's go to the next slide.

4199
02:23:43,360 --> 02:23:45,160
So, this is an image that was put

4200
02:23:45,160 --> 02:23:47,920
together by our GIS showing, um, exactly

4201
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:50,720
the the proposed changes.

4202
02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:53,680
Let's go to the next slide.

4203
02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:55,440
So once again, this is conceptual in

4204
02:23:55,440 --> 02:23:57,560
nature. This is not something that's

4205
02:23:57,560 --> 02:24:00,880
been thoroughly reviewed as far as

4206
02:24:00,880 --> 02:24:02,880
site plan approval or

4207
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:05,000
compliance with the codes.

4208
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:07,360
And so what we're looking at tonight is

4209
02:24:07,360 --> 02:24:10,320
just this portion of the property. I

4210
02:24:10,320 --> 02:24:11,640
appreciate that the applicant has

4211
02:24:11,640 --> 02:24:12,920
provided

4212
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:15,560
an updated concept showing how

4213
02:24:15,560 --> 02:24:16,960
the south portion could still be

4214
02:24:16,960 --> 02:24:19,920
developed with larger lots

4215
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:21,800
similar to what you have to the south

4216
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:23,520
and to the east.

4217
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:25,880
And so once again, this north portion

4218
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:30,840
we're looking at going from RR to C2

4219
02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:32,680
including just a small portion of the

4220
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:34,840
R112 to C2.

4221
02:24:34,840 --> 02:24:37,750
Um

4222
02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:40,000
When we look at the the general plan,

4223
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:42,520
the commercial designation, that's

4224
02:24:42,520 --> 02:24:44,560
reserved for hubs of retail, dining,

4225
02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:46,360
offices, and services that provide

4226
02:24:46,360 --> 02:24:48,800
economic vitality and community

4227
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:50,440
convenience through accessible,

4228
02:24:50,440 --> 02:24:53,720
well-designed development. Um

4229
02:24:53,720 --> 02:24:56,840
Commercial land is highly sensitive with

4230
02:24:56,840 --> 02:24:59,040
success often depending on visibility,

4231
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:00,840
access, and proximity to major

4232
02:25:00,840 --> 02:25:02,880
transportation corridors and population

4233
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:03,960
centers.

4234
02:25:03,960 --> 02:25:06,000
Um because suitable sites for commercial

4235
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:08,480
activity are limited, preserving these

4236
02:25:08,480 --> 02:25:10,120
locations for commercial use is

4237
02:25:10,120 --> 02:25:11,480
critical.

4238
02:25:11,480 --> 02:25:14,520
Um so once again, the development review

4239
02:25:14,520 --> 02:25:16,600
committee looked at this

4240
02:25:16,600 --> 02:25:17,280
um

4241
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:20,200
in in July and recommended approval.

4242
02:25:20,200 --> 02:25:21,480
Um

4243
02:25:21,480 --> 02:25:24,920
and did comment to the applicant that

4244
02:25:24,920 --> 02:25:27,600
many of the issues that may arise from

4245
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:29,880
the conceptual layout, those would be

4246
02:25:29,880 --> 02:25:32,040
reviewed and addressed with the

4247
02:25:32,040 --> 02:25:34,960
subsequent site plan and subdividing of

4248
02:25:34,960 --> 02:25:37,120
the property that would still need to

4249
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:39,120
occur um

4250
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:41,040
if actions taken know, the zone change

4251
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:42,680
by the city council.

4252
02:25:42,680 --> 02:25:45,600
Um let's go to the next slide.

4253
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:48,840
These next few images are just updated

4254
02:25:48,840 --> 02:25:51,720
um information from the applicant and we

4255
02:25:51,720 --> 02:25:54,200
do have a representative uh for the

4256
02:25:54,200 --> 02:25:56,640
applicant here tonight. Um he can come

4257
02:25:56,640 --> 02:26:00,000
up and speak to um these images and the

4258
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:04,720
views um as well as uh the property.

4259
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:07,160
Um if we

4260
02:26:07,160 --> 02:26:09,360
um

4261
02:26:09,360 --> 02:26:10,720
If you need to I did include in the

4262
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:13,160
staff report uh some of the potential

4263
02:26:13,160 --> 02:26:18,440
uses that are allowable in the C-2 zone.

4264
02:26:18,440 --> 02:26:19,560
I don't know how much detail the

4265
02:26:19,560 --> 02:26:23,120
applicant will go to as far as um

4266
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:24,800
potential uses that they've identified

4267
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:26,120
here, but we'll let him come up and

4268
02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:27,360
speak to that.

4269
02:26:27,360 --> 02:26:29,480
Um this item also does have a public

4270
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:34,360
hearing uh aspect to it and uh this

4271
02:26:34,360 --> 02:26:36,480
staff report and a later slide does

4272
02:26:36,480 --> 02:26:38,560
include the recommendation by the

4273
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:40,840
development review committee their

4274
02:26:40,840 --> 02:26:43,000
findings when they recommended approval

4275
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:45,120
uh was they felt it was uh consistent

4276
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:47,520
with the designation of commercial uh

4277
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:49,160
that the proposal will provide for

4278
02:26:49,160 --> 02:26:51,120
commercial uses at an important and

4279
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:53,400
highly visible intersection

4280
02:26:53,400 --> 02:26:54,800
and that the proposal enhances

4281
02:26:54,800 --> 02:26:57,600
commercial uses and services in the area

4282
02:26:57,600 --> 02:26:59,600
and that those would be conveniently

4283
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:01,160
located.

4284
02:27:01,160 --> 02:27:06,870
Questions for staff at this time?

4285
02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:09,200
» I got a question. So, conceptual we're

4286
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:11,440
talking zone change means conceptual but

4287
02:27:11,440 --> 02:27:13,960
with no plans in place.

4288
02:27:13,960 --> 02:27:15,520
What's kind of the onus to to make this

4289
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:17,920
change? Is it is it more to to help

4290
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:19,360
with, you know,

4291
02:27:19,360 --> 02:27:22,760
pushing plans along? Just Okay.

4292
02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:24,320
Guess I asked and answered my own

4293
02:27:24,320 --> 02:27:25,880
question right there.

4294
02:27:25,880 --> 02:27:27,880
>> If I remember right, too, this is power

4295
02:27:27,880 --> 02:27:29,240
lines go right through this. So, this is

4296
02:27:29,240 --> 02:27:30,840
going to be a difficult

4297
02:27:30,840 --> 02:27:32,320
>> Correct. So,

4298
02:27:32,320 --> 02:27:32,880
>> See them right

4299
02:27:32,880 --> 02:27:34,080
>> North is on the right side of the

4300
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:38,200
screen. You can see the power lines um

4301
02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:40,920
come through on an angle, um,

4302
02:27:40,920 --> 02:27:44,280
and so, yes, this north portion, uh,

4303
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:46,880
does have that impact from that angle of

4304
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:49,480
power lines.

4305
02:27:49,480 --> 02:27:51,080
So, certain things like structures can't

4306
02:27:51,080 --> 02:27:53,880
be placed under it, um, but parking and

4307
02:27:53,880 --> 02:27:56,160
other improvements can.

4308
02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:57,960
>> And we got creative in the electric park

4309
02:27:57,960 --> 02:27:59,880
area, and

4310
02:27:59,880 --> 02:28:01,560
this also looks creative. I I I think

4311
02:28:01,560 --> 02:28:03,920
there's a general hesitancy to have

4312
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:06,960
residents underneath here, but this, I

4313
02:28:06,960 --> 02:28:09,560
think, is is perhaps less concerning.

4314
02:28:09,560 --> 02:28:10,800
Let me ask a question. I know, again,

4315
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:13,000
we're talking conceptual here,

4316
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:15,320
but, uh, as we just noted with the the

4317
02:28:15,320 --> 02:28:18,520
road development, we would expect to see

4318
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:20,600
improvement along here. Are we talking

4319
02:28:20,600 --> 02:28:22,440
trail too, or something like that?

4320
02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:24,880
>> There's a number of trails,

4321
02:28:24,880 --> 02:28:25,480
um,

4322
02:28:25,480 --> 02:28:27,320
a trail that would be on

4323
02:28:27,320 --> 02:28:27,840
Let's

4324
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:29,600
>> Cuz there's a trail right here.

4325
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:30,600
And I know there's a

4326
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:32,320
>> Spaceway Parkway would have a trail.

4327
02:28:32,320 --> 02:28:33,960
>> Yeah, there'd be a trail here on this

4328
02:28:33,960 --> 02:28:35,080
side.

4329
02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:37,320
Um, and then there's also a master plan

4330
02:28:37,320 --> 02:28:38,960
trail that follows the,

4331
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:41,080
uh, power line corridor, which on their

4332
02:28:41,080 --> 02:28:43,960
concept, uh, they propose potentially

4333
02:28:43,960 --> 02:28:46,240
bringing it along 400 North and down.

4334
02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:47,480
>> Okay.

4335
02:28:47,480 --> 02:28:49,280
Very much like that. So,

4336
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:50,240
>> And, uh,

4337
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:52,280
we would expect a right turn lane onto

4338
02:28:52,280 --> 02:28:53,480
400 North there.

4339
02:28:53,480 --> 02:28:54,440
>> So, it'll right turn lane.

4340
02:28:54,440 --> 02:28:56,280
>> Yeah, we have two different concepts

4341
02:28:56,280 --> 02:28:57,920
that our engineering department has

4342
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:00,360
drawn up showing how

4343
02:29:00,360 --> 02:29:02,320
improvements can be completed to this

4344
02:29:02,320 --> 02:29:04,640
intersection. One option, if we can skip

4345
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:12,030
ahead to it, it's at the very end.

4346
02:29:12,040 --> 02:29:14,000
So, this option here would, uh,

4347
02:29:14,000 --> 02:29:16,080
anticipate relocation of a pole, which

4348
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:18,680
would be costly, and this option would

4349
02:29:18,680 --> 02:29:21,440
be a slip lane, um, that would allow the

4350
02:29:21,440 --> 02:29:23,680
poles to remain in place for right turn

4351
02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:29,663
movement.

4352
02:29:29,673 --> 02:29:29,720
» [snorts]

4353
02:29:29,720 --> 02:29:32,990
>> But, that That be

4354
02:29:33,000 --> 02:29:36,320
up the a pole removal removal or

4355
02:29:36,320 --> 02:29:38,360
change or that would be up to the

4356
02:29:38,360 --> 02:29:43,750
developer, right? To put those costs.

4357
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:45,960
» And that's not necessarily the emphasis

4358
02:29:45,960 --> 02:29:48,240
of tonight's request. We're looking

4359
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:50,280
mainly at the zoning, but we provided

4360
02:29:50,280 --> 02:29:51,160
this for your information.

4361
02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:54,200
>> And I do like the fact that we're

4362
02:29:54,200 --> 02:29:56,520
putting the zoning ahead of the

4363
02:29:56,520 --> 02:29:58,920
plat approval.

4364
02:29:58,920 --> 02:30:00,960
>> Oh, I'll make another I mean I I know we

4365
02:30:00,960 --> 02:30:02,360
have the Actually, I'll wait to make the

4366
02:30:02,360 --> 02:30:03,600
discussion till later. I got some

4367
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:04,280
thoughts.

4368
02:30:04,280 --> 02:30:06,760
>> If there's no other question for staff,

4369
02:30:06,760 --> 02:30:08,720
uh Forest is here

4370
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:11,960
uh to represent the developing group uh

4371
02:30:11,960 --> 02:30:13,360
as far as the request for the zone

4372
02:30:13,360 --> 02:30:14,920
change. And then

4373
02:30:14,920 --> 02:30:16,480
uh if there's no other questions for the

4374
02:30:16,480 --> 02:30:18,680
applicant or I at that time, then

4375
02:30:18,680 --> 02:30:20,600
uh public hearing would be would be

4376
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:22,160
next.

4377
02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:26,030
>> Thank you.

4378
02:30:26,040 --> 02:30:28,360
» Uh yeah, my name is Forest Gaskill. I

4379
02:30:28,360 --> 02:30:32,400
represent the developer. Um

4380
02:30:32,400 --> 02:30:33,640
So,

4381
02:30:33,640 --> 02:30:34,400
um

4382
02:30:34,400 --> 02:30:36,720
you kind of alluded to it. We

4383
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:38,680
generally uh

4384
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:40,640
we

4385
02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:42,760
try to um

4386
02:30:42,760 --> 02:30:45,040
make sure that a site is developable

4387
02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:47,600
before we get too far down the road on

4388
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:49,560
putting a lot of time and money into

4389
02:30:49,560 --> 02:30:51,080
drawing up the plans. We want to you

4390
02:30:51,080 --> 02:30:52,320
know, we work with staff to make sure

4391
02:30:52,320 --> 02:30:53,520
that we have

4392
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:56,080
um as much as we can provide. Um so,

4393
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:58,440
this is a plan based on what we

4394
02:30:58,440 --> 02:31:01,000
typically would expect as far as

4395
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:03,000
uh tenant uses and then we've started

4396
02:31:03,000 --> 02:31:05,040
working on some of the challenges

4397
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:07,160
um like the right turn lane and the

4398
02:31:07,160 --> 02:31:09,760
improvements. Um we kind of sized it

4399
02:31:09,760 --> 02:31:13,120
based on what um we felt like we needed

4400
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:14,280
to

4401
02:31:14,280 --> 02:31:14,920
uh

4402
02:31:14,920 --> 02:31:16,920
be able to afford to put in these

4403
02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:18,760
improvements. Um that's why it doesn't

4404
02:31:18,760 --> 02:31:21,800
quite match up exactly with um

4405
02:31:21,800 --> 02:31:25,880
the the uh maps that were shown show the

4406
02:31:25,880 --> 02:31:26,600
uh

4407
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:28,480
I guess the limits the zones.

4408
02:31:28,480 --> 02:31:29,640
>> The general plan map.

4409
02:31:29,640 --> 02:31:31,600
>> Yeah.

4410
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:33,960
Uh and

4411
02:31:33,960 --> 02:31:36,480
we we think it it works and and there's

4412
02:31:36,480 --> 02:31:37,640
some challenges with the power lines.

4413
02:31:37,640 --> 02:31:39,880
We've been talking to Rockingham Power.

4414
02:31:39,880 --> 02:31:40,720
Um

4415
02:31:40,720 --> 02:31:43,160
I actually came down early to drive that

4416
02:31:43,160 --> 02:31:44,720
power corridor to get a better idea of

4417
02:31:44,720 --> 02:31:45,800
what

4418
02:31:45,800 --> 02:31:47,440
has been built underneath. We They've

4419
02:31:47,440 --> 02:31:50,120
given us information, but it's hard to

4420
02:31:50,120 --> 02:31:51,720
kind of know

4421
02:31:51,720 --> 02:31:52,640
you know, read through their

4422
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:54,240
requirements, understand what that means

4423
02:31:54,240 --> 02:31:56,840
until you actually down look. So uh

4424
02:31:56,840 --> 02:31:58,440
I've been trying to get my arms around

4425
02:31:58,440 --> 02:32:03,520
that. But yeah, so this is kind of our attempt at fitting commercial into

4426
02:32:03,520 --> 02:32:05,960
that power corridor.

4427
02:32:05,960 --> 02:32:07,800
And then like I said, these are all just

4428
02:32:07,800 --> 02:32:09,320
kind of conceptual buildings, sort of

4429
02:32:09,320 --> 02:32:11,000
what we would expect the tenant mix to

4430
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:12,560
be, but we don't have any

4431
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:13,880
um

4432
02:32:13,880 --> 02:32:17,560
any concrete tenants at this point.

4433
02:32:17,560 --> 02:32:18,720
Um but yeah, I'm happy to answer any

4434
02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:19,960
questions.

4435
02:32:19,960 --> 02:32:21,160
>> Okay.

4436
02:32:21,160 --> 02:32:23,480
>> Even though this is conceptual,

4437
02:32:23,480 --> 02:32:27,520
are the individual building sizes is is that

4438
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:29,600
somewhat accurate?

4439
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:31,760
>> Yeah, so if you look at the plan, we we

4440
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:34,560
are kind of limited base like the the

4441
02:32:34,560 --> 02:32:36,520
best part of this corner from retail

4442
02:32:36,520 --> 02:32:38,640
perspective is the hard corner,

4443
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:40,480
but obviously there's power lines there

4444
02:32:40,480 --> 02:32:41,800
and so we can't put buildings there. So

4445
02:32:41,800 --> 02:32:43,400
we've tried to

4446
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:45,440
plan for the types of tenants we are

4447
02:32:45,440 --> 02:32:47,880
expecting and where they would fit. So,

4448
02:32:47,880 --> 02:32:50,800
you know, we have um like a larger

4449
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:53,560
building on that north end

4450
02:32:53,560 --> 02:32:55,880
uh because we have some space there and

4451
02:32:55,880 --> 02:32:57,720
we can park on the other side. And then

4452
02:32:57,720 --> 02:33:00,720
we've tried to put more of the bigger um

4453
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:03,040
like, you know, multi-tenant buildings

4454
02:33:03,040 --> 02:33:04,800
towards the south side where they will

4455
02:33:04,800 --> 02:33:06,320
also fit. Uh that

4456
02:33:06,320 --> 02:33:08,640
>> So right here larger and right here

4457
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:09,440
larger.

4458
02:33:09,440 --> 02:33:10,400
>> Mhm.

4459
02:33:10,400 --> 02:33:11,040
Exactly.

4460
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:11,800
>> And here.

4461
02:33:11,800 --> 02:33:13,760
>> Yeah. And then we're trying to you know,

4462
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:17,280
there's some single-use tenants that um

4463
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:18,920
that we think will show up and we've

4464
02:33:18,920 --> 02:33:20,880
tried to fit them in places where we're

4465
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:22,960
kind of tighter trying to fit in.

4466
02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:23,920
>> Single use tenant.

4467
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:24,960
>> Exactly.

4468
02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:26,800
So, even though it's conceptual, what's

4469
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:29,480
the possibility that those three

4470
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:31,760
um buildings right there

4471
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:32,800
um

4472
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:34,760
along the west side turn into one

4473
02:33:34,760 --> 02:33:36,520
building?

4474
02:33:36,520 --> 02:33:38,440
>> Uh the three buildings along the west

4475
02:33:38,440 --> 02:33:39,600
Oh, turn into one?

4476
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:40,120
>> Yeah.

4477
02:33:40,120 --> 02:33:42,720
>> Uh very low. We There's not a single use

4478
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:44,320
tenant that would have a large building

4479
02:33:44,320 --> 02:33:46,680
like that. And for us, we've found that

4480
02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:49,320
our um sort of

4481
02:33:49,320 --> 02:33:53,120
preferred multi-tenant size is around 4

4482
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:55,480
to 6,000 sq ft. That's kind of the

4483
02:33:55,480 --> 02:33:57,520
It's not too small, not too large. Um

4484
02:33:57,520 --> 02:33:58,560
there's some

4485
02:33:58,560 --> 02:33:59,960
costs

4486
02:33:59,960 --> 02:34:01,960
uh analysis goes into that.

4487
02:34:01,960 --> 02:34:05,440
Um so, we've done Recently, we've done

4488
02:34:05,440 --> 02:34:07,640
um a lot of these sort of pad buildings,

4489
02:34:07,640 --> 02:34:09,720
and they tend to be between 4 and 6,000

4490
02:34:09,720 --> 02:34:12,560
sq ft for the uh the multi-tenant ones.

4491
02:34:12,560 --> 02:34:15,800
>> They'll likely want to have

4492
02:34:15,800 --> 02:34:18,120
multiple drive-thru opportunities,

4493
02:34:18,120 --> 02:34:18,800
I would guess.

4494
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:20,000
>> So, that that is often times

4495
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:21,080
>> why the buildings get

4496
02:34:21,080 --> 02:34:22,200
>> That's what I see.

4497
02:34:22,200 --> 02:34:23,680
>> Yeah, that that's the nature of the

4498
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:25,720
market. A lot of the current tenants

4499
02:34:25,720 --> 02:34:26,480
want drive-thrus.

4500
02:34:26,480 --> 02:34:30,040
>> With the power lines there, have they imposed a

4501
02:34:30,040 --> 02:34:33,200
height restriction on the buildings?

4502
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:37,280
>> Yes. Um on Yeah, there are

4503
02:34:37,280 --> 02:34:39,200
uh requirements for how close we can get

4504
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:45,280
to the power lines. I believe we're far enough away with all

4505
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:47,080
these buildings that we don't have

4506
02:34:47,080 --> 02:34:48,560
height res

4507
02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:51,200
The the the code is going to restrict

4508
02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:53,520
the height more than the power lines

4509
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:54,560
would. Um

4510
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:56,960
you know, our our retail buildings don't

4511
02:34:56,960 --> 02:34:58,280
generally go that tall to where we're

4512
02:34:58,280 --> 02:34:59,920
concerned about it, where we're outside

4513
02:34:59,920 --> 02:35:01,600
of the power line corridor and

4514
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:02,880
>> So, you probably wouldn't build a

4515
02:35:02,880 --> 02:35:05,480
two-story

4516
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:05,680
>> No.

4517
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:06,520
>> on any of those?

4518
02:35:06,520 --> 02:35:08,990
>> No.

4519
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:09,800
» Uh

4520
02:35:09,800 --> 02:35:12,600
my question is the the general plan has

4521
02:35:12,600 --> 02:35:16,040
this area right here to to commercial.

4522
02:35:16,040 --> 02:35:19,320
And And when we were discussing this

4523
02:35:19,320 --> 02:35:23,160
part of that is that then it's this

4524
02:35:23,160 --> 02:35:25,240
because the um

4525
02:35:25,240 --> 02:35:28,120
this isn't up against neighbors where

4526
02:35:28,120 --> 02:35:30,000
here you're in and out and you've got

4527
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:32,240
neighbors right across the street, too.

4528
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:35,320
And they're already very impacted by the

4529
02:35:35,320 --> 02:35:38,280
high school traffic as well.

4530
02:35:38,280 --> 02:35:41,840
So, do you do you not own this end of it

4531
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:42,360
over there you know?

4532
02:35:42,360 --> 02:35:44,120
>> parcel's owned by Rocky Mountain Power

4533
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:46,080
and we've talked to them but it's it's

4534
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:49,480
Rocky Mountain Power. They they've

4535
02:35:49,480 --> 02:35:50,760
They have told me that they have no

4536
02:35:50,760 --> 02:35:52,760
intention of developing it or selling it

4537
02:35:52,760 --> 02:35:54,400
or anything in the near future, so.

4538
02:35:54,400 --> 02:35:58,920
>> Okay.

4539
02:35:58,920 --> 02:36:00,360
All right. So, anybody else have

4540
02:36:00,360 --> 02:36:01,640
questions here?

4541
02:36:01,640 --> 02:36:03,920
>> Really quickly, I it's hard to tell from

4542
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:05,520
that this drawing

4543
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:07,200
but how many entrances and exits are

4544
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:08,520
there in this?

4545
02:36:08,520 --> 02:36:12,480
>> Yeah, so uh we have two on uh 2550 East

4546
02:36:12,480 --> 02:36:15,080
and then we're showing one on 400 North.

4547
02:36:15,080 --> 02:36:17,880
Um and we've been working with staff to

4548
02:36:17,880 --> 02:36:20,840
try to get those uh it just for the

4549
02:36:20,840 --> 02:36:23,360
retail portion. Um obviously the

4550
02:36:23,360 --> 02:36:24,120
residentials

4551
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:26,600
>> Oh, just for the Do you have an ingress

4552
02:36:26,600 --> 02:36:27,720
here, too?

4553
02:36:27,720 --> 02:36:29,480
>> Yeah, so we've got those two.

4554
02:36:29,480 --> 02:36:31,240
>> Right here and right here. Oh.

4555
02:36:31,240 --> 02:36:33,360
>> And then here, too. And then yes, on 400

4556
02:36:33,360 --> 02:36:35,480
North. And um

4557
02:36:35,480 --> 02:36:36,880
yeah, we've been working try to get the

4558
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:38,520
spacing right on that. Obviously that

4559
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:41,000
when we go in and put in the right turn

4560
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:42,800
lane design, that'll kind of affect

4561
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:43,720
where those end up.

4562
02:36:43,720 --> 02:36:44,160
>> Yeah.

4563
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:45,920
>> And then we've also um

4564
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:47,280
as he talked about towards the south

4565
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:48,600
side of the property where there are

4566
02:36:48,600 --> 02:36:50,000
homes across the street, we wanted to

4567
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:52,040
make sure that that lined up in a place

4568
02:36:52,040 --> 02:36:53,680
where we're not going to have headlights

4569
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:55,080
shining into people's windows, so we

4570
02:36:55,080 --> 02:36:57,600
tried to space that between the houses

4571
02:36:57,600 --> 02:36:59,200
on the other side of the street.

4572
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:00,640
>> Thank you for considering that.

4573
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:01,560
>> Yeah.

4574
02:37:01,560 --> 02:37:04,080
And also the ingress is helpful um at

4575
02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:06,280
least from access to certain businesses.

4576
02:37:06,280 --> 02:37:07,600
>> Mhm.

4577
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:09,200
>> I'm wondering if you need to have an

4578
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:11,760
ingress and egress right here or since

4579
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:14,120
this is such a small little neighborhood

4580
02:37:14,120 --> 02:37:16,080
if they could all just flow out in and

4581
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:17,120
out of there.

4582
02:37:17,120 --> 02:37:19,313
>> Cul-de-sac?

4583
02:37:19,313 --> 02:37:19,480
>> [snorts]

4584
02:37:19,480 --> 02:37:20,720
>> This

4585
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:22,520
for the residential area. Thank

4586
02:37:22,520 --> 02:37:24,280
>> Yeah, make that a cul-de-sac, that's

4587
02:37:24,280 --> 02:37:25,320
what you're saying.

4588
02:37:25,320 --> 02:37:27,720
>> Right.

4589
02:37:27,720 --> 02:37:29,760
>> Code-wise it could, yeah.

4590
02:37:29,760 --> 02:37:31,920
>> Yeah, certainly a possibility. We've

4591
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:33,600
>> It's a tricky piece of property.

4592
02:37:33,600 --> 02:37:35,480
>> I'll say this, we're we're a retail

4593
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:39,400
developer first and foremost, that's our um

4594
02:37:39,400 --> 02:37:42,560
our emphasis um and so

4595
02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:45,800
you know, we we're happy to show what we need to do on the

4596
02:37:45,800 --> 02:37:49,040
residential side. We're not trying to

4597
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:50,920
ask for anything there that the city

4598
02:37:50,920 --> 02:37:52,600
doesn't want so um

4599
02:37:52,600 --> 02:37:53,800
any feedback we'll take into

4600
02:37:53,800 --> 02:37:56,800
consideration and try to reflect it on our plan.

4601
02:37:56,800 --> 02:37:58,160
>> It sounds like mostly what you've done

4602
02:37:58,160 --> 02:37:59,920
is just kind of penciled in

4603
02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:02,240
some things in the system.

4604
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:04,200
Okay.

4605
02:38:04,200 --> 02:38:05,960
You've kind of penciled it in but yet

4606
02:38:05,960 --> 02:38:07,440
with the power lines you're kind of

4607
02:38:07,440 --> 02:38:09,440
locked into some of those

4608
02:38:09,440 --> 02:38:11,680
locations, aren't you?

4609
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:13,360
>> Yeah.

4610
02:38:13,360 --> 02:38:16,840
>> Am I Am I right they can't build under

4611
02:38:16,840 --> 02:38:18,640
like nothing structural can be under the

4612
02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:20,600
power lines and no tall trees, is that

4613
02:38:20,600 --> 02:38:21,680
right?

4614
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:22,640
>> Some trees.

4615
02:38:22,640 --> 02:38:24,680
but nothing that grows

4616
02:38:24,680 --> 02:38:25,880
>> Nothing tall, yeah.

4617
02:38:25,880 --> 02:38:29,440
>> Yeah, there's there's requirements um

4618
02:38:29,440 --> 02:38:30,840
Anything that goes underneath has to

4619
02:38:30,840 --> 02:38:33,120
have some kind of grounding um

4620
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:35,840
and nothing that or anything that is

4621
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:37,840
conductive even with

4622
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:39,760
certain types of coatings have to have

4623
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:41,520
grounding. I

4624
02:38:41,520 --> 02:38:42,880
I'll save you the I'll spare you the

4625
02:38:42,880 --> 02:38:44,760
details. I I've been digging through it

4626
02:38:44,760 --> 02:38:46,040
this weekend and it's there's a lot that

4627
02:38:46,040 --> 02:38:47,840
goes into it but yeah

4628
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:48,920
as of right now we're not planning on

4629
02:38:48,920 --> 02:38:50,320
any buildings underneath it.

4630
02:38:50,320 --> 02:38:53,310
>> Okay.

4631
02:38:53,320 --> 02:38:55,320
All right, any other questions before we

4632
02:38:55,320 --> 02:38:59,520
open this up to public comment?

4633
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:01,400
All right, thank you. Um

4634
02:39:01,400 --> 02:39:04,040
you know, after our last uh

4635
02:39:04,040 --> 02:39:07,960
wild uh public hearing and last whole

4636
02:39:07,960 --> 02:39:09,080
uh,

4637
02:39:09,080 --> 02:39:11,360
thing that we did for 2 and 1/2 hours.

4638
02:39:11,360 --> 02:39:13,360
Uh, I just found this wonderful handy

4639
02:39:13,360 --> 02:39:15,240
dandy paper.

4640
02:39:15,240 --> 02:39:16,560
So, let me just tell you. I'm going to

4641
02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:19,240
open this to public hearing, but due to

4642
02:39:19,240 --> 02:39:21,360
time limitations, public comments will

4643
02:39:21,360 --> 02:39:23,760
be limited to 3 minutes each. The rules

4644
02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:25,680
of conduct are to come to the front and

4645
02:39:25,680 --> 02:39:27,760
address the planning commission. Each

4646
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:30,480
person is allowed to speak only once.

4647
02:39:30,480 --> 02:39:32,240
Clearly state your name and address for

4648
02:39:32,240 --> 02:39:34,560
the record. The individual speaking

4649
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:36,920
shall give pertinent facts that have not

4650
02:39:36,920 --> 02:39:39,600
already been stated. Please do not

4651
02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:41,080
repeat information that's already been

4652
02:39:41,080 --> 02:39:42,560
given.

4653
02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:44,200
No individual is to speak from the

4654
02:39:44,200 --> 02:39:46,400
audience unless requested to do so by

4655
02:39:46,400 --> 02:39:48,760
the planning commission. And at no time

4656
02:39:48,760 --> 02:39:50,160
shall there be outburst from the

4657
02:39:50,160 --> 02:39:51,920
audience such as speaking out of turn,

4658
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:53,800
cheering, applause. If this occurs,

4659
02:39:53,800 --> 02:39:56,280
individuals may be asked to leave.

4660
02:39:56,280 --> 02:39:59,480
We did all those things this last time.

4661
02:39:59,480 --> 02:40:01,440
So, we're going to show a good example

4662
02:40:01,440 --> 02:40:04,720
this time. I apologize for being out of

4663
02:40:04,720 --> 02:40:06,680
order. All right. We'll open this up to

4664
02:40:06,680 --> 02:40:08,600
public comment for anyone that would

4665
02:40:08,600 --> 02:40:10,360
like to come and speak.

4666
02:40:10,360 --> 02:40:11,840
Thank you.

4667
02:40:11,840 --> 02:40:14,280
>> Uh, my name is Benjamin Jacobson.

4668
02:40:14,280 --> 02:40:16,760
And I don't know why this was brought up

4669
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:18,560
to for even consideration. There was

4670
02:40:18,560 --> 02:40:20,360
this has been met with

4671
02:40:20,360 --> 02:40:23,560
extreme animosity about 6 or 7 years

4672
02:40:23,560 --> 02:40:26,000
ago. I was one of those individuals. I

4673
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:27,920
live across the street. The traffic is

4674
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:30,520
already horrible there. Okay? We're

4675
02:40:30,520 --> 02:40:32,120
getting a grocery store with other

4676
02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:35,400
retail going in there. Leave it at

4677
02:40:35,400 --> 02:40:37,440
residential, single family. That's why

4678
02:40:37,440 --> 02:40:40,120
it's always been. Leave it at single

4679
02:40:40,120 --> 02:40:42,400
family residential. Clearly, whoever

4680
02:40:42,400 --> 02:40:44,920
purchased this did not get the memo from

4681
02:40:44,920 --> 02:40:46,360
the last meeting that we're not doing

4682
02:40:46,360 --> 02:40:49,600
this. We are not doing this. Okay? I

4683
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:51,400
understand property owners have a right,

4684
02:40:51,400 --> 02:40:53,440
but no, we are not doing this. We've had

4685
02:40:53,440 --> 02:40:55,400
this discussion once. We're not doing it

4686
02:40:55,400 --> 02:40:57,120
again. That's all I have to say. Thank

4687
02:40:57,120 --> 02:40:57,840
you.

4688
02:40:57,840 --> 02:41:03,270
>> Thank you.

4689
02:41:03,280 --> 02:41:11,950
All right. anyone else?

4690
02:41:11,960 --> 02:41:14,920
» My name is Ross Batsgard. We live at 305

4691
02:41:14,920 --> 02:41:17,081
North Spanish Fork Parkway.

4692
02:41:17,081 --> 02:41:17,440
>> [clears throat]

4693
02:41:17,440 --> 02:41:19,440
>> We're one of three landowners that still

4694
02:41:19,440 --> 02:41:22,120
face Spanish Fork Parkway.

4695
02:41:22,120 --> 02:41:24,320
So, we know the traffic intimately. We

4696
02:41:24,320 --> 02:41:25,800
see every car that goes along that

4697
02:41:25,800 --> 02:41:27,360
street. Our house doesn't back up to the

4698
02:41:27,360 --> 02:41:29,000
street behind a fence.

4699
02:41:29,000 --> 02:41:30,600
We're right on the street.

4700
02:41:30,600 --> 02:41:32,280
That proposal that was presented several

4701
02:41:32,280 --> 02:41:34,320
years ago was to try to cram as many

4702
02:41:34,320 --> 02:41:37,480
townhomes as possible on that south end

4703
02:41:37,480 --> 02:41:38,880
because the north part was deemed

4704
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:40,920
non-usable. And

4705
02:41:40,920 --> 02:41:42,960
I wasn't in favor of that at all

4706
02:41:42,960 --> 02:41:44,720
as well. And uh

4707
02:41:44,720 --> 02:41:50,230
it uh

4708
02:41:50,240 --> 02:41:51,600
As somebody mentioned the height

4709
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:53,000
restriction,

4710
02:41:53,000 --> 02:41:54,840
that's been a cornfield

4711
02:41:54,840 --> 02:41:57,040
as long as we've lived up there. And

4712
02:41:57,040 --> 02:41:58,720
could we have the buildings be no taller

4713
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:01,280
than a corn corn stalk?

4714
02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:04,440
J- j- just for the feeling.

4715
02:42:04,440 --> 02:42:05,880
No, but you know that field is got

4716
02:42:05,880 --> 02:42:07,040
something has got to be done with that

4717
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:08,200
property.

4718
02:42:08,200 --> 02:42:09,800
It's not going to be a cornfield

4719
02:42:09,800 --> 02:42:10,880
forever.

4720
02:42:10,880 --> 02:42:13,280
And uh we've had that traffic problem

4721
02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:15,240
since they built the high school.

4722
02:42:15,240 --> 02:42:17,280
Dave knows me very well. We've talked

4723
02:42:17,280 --> 02:42:19,240
about it numerous times. That's that

4724
02:42:19,240 --> 02:42:21,840
last sole piece of Spanish Fork Parkway

4725
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:24,600
that hasn't been improved. And uh

4726
02:42:24,600 --> 02:42:27,120
this is this will resolve that problem.

4727
02:42:27,120 --> 02:42:29,440
I don't have a problem with this. I

4728
02:42:29,440 --> 02:42:30,840
uh those residents those homes on that

4729
02:42:30,840 --> 02:42:32,640
side will fit right in.

4730
02:42:32,640 --> 02:42:34,920
I I like this concept of a little

4731
02:42:34,920 --> 02:42:36,760
neighborhood shopping area. It's not

4732
02:42:36,760 --> 02:42:38,360
going to draw people from a regional

4733
02:42:38,360 --> 02:42:39,880
basis. It's going to serve those

4734
02:42:39,880 --> 02:42:41,200
hundreds and hundreds of homes that have

4735
02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:43,360
been built up on the bench already. The

4736
02:42:43,360 --> 02:42:46,080
traffic's there. The traffic is us

4737
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:47,840
uh that will drive by there and use

4738
02:42:47,840 --> 02:42:49,400
those facilities. It's not going to pull

4739
02:42:49,400 --> 02:42:51,520
people from from all over town and all

4740
02:42:51,520 --> 02:42:52,880
over the county.

4741
02:42:52,880 --> 02:42:54,640
And I like that idea in communities

4742
02:42:54,640 --> 02:42:56,160
where they have these little

4743
02:42:56,160 --> 02:42:58,440
commercial hubs in

4744
02:42:58,440 --> 02:43:00,800
the neighborhood areas can fit very

4745
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:03,480
nicely with those areas.

4746
02:43:03,480 --> 02:43:04,800
Um

4747
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:06,440
in terms of Rocky Mountain Power, when

4748
02:43:06,440 --> 02:43:07,920
we had that last discussion number of

4749
02:43:07,920 --> 02:43:10,240
years ago, I actually called them.

4750
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:11,560
And I talked to their head real estate

4751
02:43:11,560 --> 02:43:13,280
person, and I I don't know if it's just

4752
02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:15,120
a matter of talking to the right person

4753
02:43:15,120 --> 02:43:16,800
or what. And he says,

4754
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:17,800
"I don't have any problem having that

4755
02:43:17,800 --> 02:43:19,160
developed."

4756
02:43:19,160 --> 02:43:21,120
And because when I looked at it back

4757
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:24,640
then, I saw that full 20-acre piece, if it were

4758
02:43:24,640 --> 02:43:29,240
developed in one project, it could be so much more well designed.

4759
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:30,320
Uh

4760
02:43:30,320 --> 02:43:32,320
but I'm not in control of Rocky Mountain

4761
02:43:32,320 --> 02:43:33,920
Power. I just passed that along. We

4762
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:35,480
talked, and I sent him a letter, and he

4763
02:43:35,480 --> 02:43:37,600
says, "That's a misunderstanding to

4764
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:39,520
think that we're not interested in being

4765
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:40,520
developed." They're not going to take

4766
02:43:40,520 --> 02:43:41,760
the initiative cuz they're a big

4767
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:44,320
utility, and that's

4768
02:43:44,320 --> 02:43:46,200
it wouldn't be worth their much time or

4769
02:43:46,200 --> 02:43:47,760
effort on their part.

4770
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:49,360
But anyway, uh

4771
02:43:49,360 --> 02:43:51,400
I I would just like to let people know

4772
02:43:51,400 --> 02:43:54,360
that as probably one of three families

4773
02:43:54,360 --> 02:43:56,920
most affected by this, uh I don't have

4774
02:43:56,920 --> 02:43:58,720
any objection to it.

4775
02:43:58,720 --> 02:44:02,000
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Batsgard.

4776
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:03,680
Okay.

4777
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:09,230
All right, anyone else?

4778
02:44:09,240 --> 02:44:12,360
» My name is My name is John Sumsion.

4779
02:44:12,360 --> 02:44:14,680
I live in the house right here

4780
02:44:14,680 --> 02:44:17,560
that faces Spanish Fork Parkway.

4781
02:44:17,560 --> 02:44:20,720
Uh there are three impacts

4782
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:23,120
that I know of. One is

4783
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:25,760
noise across the street, commercial

4784
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:27,120
drive-thru.

4785
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:30,280
One is light across the street,

4786
02:44:30,280 --> 02:44:32,440
uh shining in our windows.

4787
02:44:32,440 --> 02:44:37,400
One is um traffic coming in and out.

4788
02:44:37,400 --> 02:44:38,520
Um

4789
02:44:38,520 --> 02:44:41,840
the pros for this is that um

4790
02:44:41,840 --> 02:44:44,960
it is a beneficial land use

4791
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:47,640
uh at the in a very difficult

4792
02:44:47,640 --> 02:44:50,560
location under power line.

4793
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:57,000
Um the con for this is that it impacts

4794
02:44:57,000 --> 02:44:59,560
these three houses like this.

4795
02:44:59,560 --> 02:45:01,760
The concept is

4796
02:45:01,760 --> 02:45:03,560
um helpful.

4797
02:45:03,560 --> 02:45:05,840
However, the

4798
02:45:05,840 --> 02:45:09,240
where the exits and entrances are placed

4799
02:45:09,240 --> 02:45:11,080
is probably the least amount of impact

4800
02:45:11,080 --> 02:45:12,800
that you will have

4801
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:16,840
on the existing uh residences there.

4802
02:45:16,840 --> 02:45:18,240
Um

4803
02:45:18,240 --> 02:45:20,440
the fact that it's proposed to be

4804
02:45:20,440 --> 02:45:23,440
developed means that this can turn into

4805
02:45:23,440 --> 02:45:25,040
a trail.

4806
02:45:25,040 --> 02:45:28,480
Um if it does turn into a trail

4807
02:45:28,480 --> 02:45:30,320
and this isn't developed at the same

4808
02:45:30,320 --> 02:45:31,640
time,

4809
02:45:31,640 --> 02:45:34,040
um you're going to have a trail coming

4810
02:45:34,040 --> 02:45:35,240
here

4811
02:45:35,240 --> 02:45:37,560
going to a ditch right here, going to a

4812
02:45:37,560 --> 02:45:39,200
trail right there.

4813
02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:42,240
And so, I don't like the fact that it is

4814
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:44,200
only proposed that we turn this into

4815
02:45:44,200 --> 02:45:48,000
commercial without any kind of cohesive

4816
02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:48,880
um

4817
02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:52,080
uh plan for the whole section.

4818
02:45:52,080 --> 02:45:59,640
Uh the other thing that I do like the fact that it is a commercial use cuz I think that's

4819
02:45:59,640 --> 02:46:01,600
probably the only use that

4820
02:46:01,600 --> 02:46:04,840
um will end up developing this section

4821
02:46:04,840 --> 02:46:06,240
right here.

4822
02:46:06,240 --> 02:46:07,200
Um

4823
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:09,280
if it were to be developed, then you

4824
02:46:09,280 --> 02:46:10,800
would have

4825
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:14,480
this is sidewalk but no curb and gutter.

4826
02:46:14,480 --> 02:46:17,240
And there water collects right here and

4827
02:46:17,240 --> 02:46:19,680
is splashed with the gravel onto this

4828
02:46:19,680 --> 02:46:21,000
sidewalk

4829
02:46:21,000 --> 02:46:22,640
every time there's a rainstorm all

4830
02:46:22,640 --> 02:46:24,200
winter long.

4831
02:46:24,200 --> 02:46:27,160
Uh you're probably well aware of that.

4832
02:46:27,160 --> 02:46:29,280
Um if this were developed in one

4833
02:46:29,280 --> 02:46:31,720
section, then

4834
02:46:31,720 --> 02:46:34,680
a trail and sidewalk, you could gain

4835
02:46:34,680 --> 02:46:36,400
continuity here.

4836
02:46:36,400 --> 02:46:38,240
And you could put curb and gutter right

4837
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:40,800
here, and it would be a cohesive

4838
02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:43,040
um development.

4839
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:45,280
Uh

4840
02:46:45,280 --> 02:46:49,280
I am opposed to the proposal that is on

4841
02:46:49,280 --> 02:46:52,080
the table because this is not a cohesive

4842
02:46:52,080 --> 02:46:55,000
development and because there is no

4843
02:46:55,000 --> 02:46:57,840
specific site plan that rides along with

4844
02:46:57,840 --> 02:46:59,480
this zoning

4845
02:46:59,480 --> 02:47:02,320
proposal and because of that as a

4846
02:47:02,320 --> 02:47:05,840
resident we have no leverage in being

4847
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:08,720
able to have control over what site plan

4848
02:47:08,720 --> 02:47:10,000
goes in.

4849
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:12,400
That's the reason I'm opposed. Otherwise

4850
02:47:12,400 --> 02:47:16,080
I like the presentation.

4851
02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:18,440
>> Thank you Mr. Sumption. I sure

4852
02:47:18,440 --> 02:47:20,560
appreciate all the neighbors that are

4853
02:47:20,560 --> 02:47:23,320
the very most impacted come and give us

4854
02:47:23,320 --> 02:47:25,640
your your insight on that. That is

4855
02:47:25,640 --> 02:47:27,160
great.

4856
02:47:27,160 --> 02:47:28,880
Yes.

4857
02:47:28,880 --> 02:47:33,710
Mrs. Badsgard.

4858
02:47:33,720 --> 02:47:37,200
» Hi, my name is Janine Badsgard and my

4859
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,720
home faces Spanish Fork Parkway. We're

4860
02:47:39,720 --> 02:47:41,320
one of the three.

4861
02:47:41,320 --> 02:47:45,040
I am the one in the middle and as the

4862
02:47:45,040 --> 02:47:48,160
basic plan that you have there

4863
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:50,160
right when I'm trying to come out of my

4864
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:52,280
driveway I'm facing all the high school

4865
02:47:52,280 --> 02:47:54,120
traffic. It looks like you have people

4866
02:47:54,120 --> 02:47:58,440
coming out exactly in my driveway.

4867
02:47:58,440 --> 02:48:00,360
So now I'm going to have to face people

4868
02:48:00,360 --> 02:48:01,680
coming this way, this way and coming

4869
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:03,200
straight at me. So it would be

4870
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:04,920
impossible for us to get out of our

4871
02:48:04,920 --> 02:48:07,680
driveway. So I'm sure that the developer

4872
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:11,760
would work with that and make sure that

4873
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:14,000
we have a way to get out of our driveway

4874
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:16,520
safely and that we don't have the

4875
02:48:16,520 --> 02:48:18,560
headlights coming straight in.

4876
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:21,200
I also know that there's possibility

4877
02:48:21,200 --> 02:48:24,040
that the lights for commercial

4878
02:48:24,040 --> 02:48:26,440
you can have ones that go straight down

4879
02:48:26,440 --> 02:48:28,640
instead of spreading out and I would

4880
02:48:28,640 --> 02:48:31,080
assume that that would be done.

4881
02:48:31,080 --> 02:48:34,720
And also that concern that brother

4882
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:37,560
that John Sumption said. I know that

4883
02:48:37,560 --> 02:48:39,800
when the Edge subdivision went in that

4884
02:48:39,800 --> 02:48:43,120
there was money held aside so that when

4885
02:48:43,120 --> 02:48:44,880
the other side of the street was

4886
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:47,440
developed, that we would get a curb and

4887
02:48:47,440 --> 02:48:49,160
gutter, so we could get the water

4888
02:48:49,160 --> 02:48:51,720
management taken care of. As it is now,

4889
02:48:51,720 --> 02:48:53,840
there's just a sidewalk, and it's a

4890
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:56,680
mess, and there's no water control. So,

4891
02:48:56,680 --> 02:48:58,080
I would assume that that would be part

4892
02:48:58,080 --> 02:48:59,480
of that, too.

4893
02:48:59,480 --> 02:49:02,920
And, um, I agree, it's a problematic

4894
02:49:02,920 --> 02:49:06,560
corner, and that if there

4895
02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:07,880
you know, you can't build a structure

4896
02:49:07,880 --> 02:49:11,560
under those power lines, that probably

4897
02:49:11,560 --> 02:49:14,240
the best use of that property would be

4898
02:49:14,240 --> 02:49:16,320
commercial, where they can't build a

4899
02:49:16,320 --> 02:49:19,320
structure too high, and mostly parking

4900
02:49:19,320 --> 02:49:22,480
lot under the power lines. So, I don't,

4901
02:49:22,480 --> 02:49:23,120
um,

4902
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:26,080
I don't oppose this development, but I

4903
02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:29,160
would hope that the developers

4904
02:49:29,160 --> 02:49:31,160
would really,

4905
02:49:31,160 --> 02:49:33,040
uh, work with

4906
02:49:33,040 --> 02:49:35,480
the neighbors right across the street,

4907
02:49:35,480 --> 02:49:38,120
so that we could both feel good about

4908
02:49:38,120 --> 02:49:40,800
how things go. So, that we would have

4909
02:49:40,800 --> 02:49:44,080
some input, and and we'd be able to work

4910
02:49:44,080 --> 02:49:45,920
closely with the developers, and not be

4911
02:49:45,920 --> 02:49:47,400
adverse

4912
02:49:47,400 --> 02:49:48,440
enemies.

4913
02:49:48,440 --> 02:49:49,680
>> Thank you.

4914
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:51,400
Thanks, Janine.

4915
02:49:51,400 --> 02:49:53,280
Okay.

4916
02:49:53,280 --> 02:49:55,600
All right. Are there any other comments?

4917
02:49:55,600 --> 02:49:58,040
Otherwise, we will close our public

4918
02:49:58,040 --> 02:49:59,720
comment.

4919
02:49:59,720 --> 02:50:01,400
And,

4920
02:50:01,400 --> 02:50:02,640
all right, let's have some

4921
02:50:02,640 --> 02:50:03,360
>> We got one more.

4922
02:50:03,360 --> 02:50:05,480
>> One more, yes. Thank you. I'm sorry.

4923
02:50:05,480 --> 02:50:08,360
>> No, I'm sorry. Late to the show. Hi, my

4924
02:50:08,360 --> 02:50:12,160
name's Dana Drake, and I actually live

4925
02:50:12,160 --> 02:50:14,080
on the other side, east of that

4926
02:50:14,080 --> 02:50:15,360
development. I don't know how this

4927
02:50:15,360 --> 02:50:16,880
works, but I'm all right over here.

4928
02:50:16,880 --> 02:50:17,800
>> Okay.

4929
02:50:17,800 --> 02:50:19,440
>> And,

4930
02:50:19,440 --> 02:50:21,640
one thing in the last 6 years that we've

4931
02:50:21,640 --> 02:50:24,520
lived there is that this intersection

4932
02:50:24,520 --> 02:50:27,280
gets a lot of activity with accidents.

4933
02:50:27,280 --> 02:50:28,240
Uh,

4934
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:31,680
it get the whole night sky lit up.

4935
02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:33,200
Um,

4936
02:50:33,200 --> 02:50:34,280
it

4937
02:50:34,280 --> 02:50:35,880
I think the whole traffic development,

4938
02:50:35,880 --> 02:50:38,080
you you know, on the last 2 and 1/2 hour

4939
02:50:38,080 --> 02:50:40,000
discussion, you talked about traffic

4940
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:42,200
development on streets, etc.

4941
02:50:42,200 --> 02:50:43,320
And

4942
02:50:43,320 --> 02:50:45,560
what's going to go on through here

4943
02:50:45,560 --> 02:50:48,600
is you get a gazillion kids for 9 months

4944
02:50:48,600 --> 02:50:51,560
of the year all going right there to

4945
02:50:51,560 --> 02:50:54,000
that high school. And it gets backed up,

4946
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:56,600
and it's not the longest turn lane. And

4947
02:50:56,600 --> 02:50:58,120
now you're going to add commercial, and

4948
02:50:58,120 --> 02:50:59,560
I'm not against the development of

4949
02:50:59,560 --> 02:51:01,680
commercial, but I like the corn.

4950
02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:03,320
The corn's really nice to look out the

4951
02:51:03,320 --> 02:51:04,840
back window.

4952
02:51:04,840 --> 02:51:05,880
Um

4953
02:51:05,880 --> 02:51:07,000
and

4954
02:51:07,000 --> 02:51:07,600
uh

4955
02:51:07,600 --> 02:51:09,400
what you see going to are going to it's

4956
02:51:09,400 --> 02:51:10,840
going to happen, in my opinion, is

4957
02:51:10,840 --> 02:51:12,320
you're just going to have this cluster

4958
02:51:12,320 --> 02:51:16,320
of commercial, kids, and then any post

4959
02:51:16,320 --> 02:51:20,120
activities of the high school, if

4960
02:51:20,120 --> 02:51:21,960
was it mentioned a drive-thru on every

4961
02:51:21,960 --> 02:51:23,560
pad?

4962
02:51:23,560 --> 02:51:27,000
I mean, I see that as a magnet for

4963
02:51:27,000 --> 02:51:29,360
the kids just going there, hanging out,

4964
02:51:29,360 --> 02:51:33,080
and whatever. So, late night activities

4965
02:51:33,080 --> 02:51:35,000
going in and out of that area

4966
02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:37,240
and affecting the residents along this

4967
02:51:37,240 --> 02:51:38,720
area here

4968
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:41,920
with just lights, traffic, noise, etc.

4969
02:51:41,920 --> 02:51:45,360
Um trash, whatever it might be, but um

4970
02:51:45,360 --> 02:51:48,360
from my perspective,

4971
02:51:48,360 --> 02:51:50,080
I wish the farmer would just keep

4972
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:52,640
growing corn.

4973
02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:54,000
Thank you.

4974
02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:57,430
>> Thank you, Mr. Drake.

4975
02:51:57,440 --> 02:52:00,430
Hey.

4976
02:52:00,440 --> 02:52:02,120
All right, anyone else for public

4977
02:52:02,120 --> 02:52:07,950
comment?

4978
02:52:07,960 --> 02:52:09,920
» My name's Colleen Drake. I live with

4979
02:52:09,920 --> 02:52:12,280
this guy, and I agree with most of the

4980
02:52:12,280 --> 02:52:14,320
comments that have been made. Um one of

4981
02:52:14,320 --> 02:52:18,760
my concerns is as vehicles are heading

4982
02:52:18,760 --> 02:52:22,000
south on Spanish Fork Parkway,

4983
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:24,040
and they pause to turn left, cuz this is

4984
02:52:24,040 --> 02:52:26,600
just a two-lane. If they pause to turn

4985
02:52:26,600 --> 02:52:27,960
left and are waiting for traffic to

4986
02:52:27,960 --> 02:52:29,920
clear to do so,

4987
02:52:29,920 --> 02:52:31,920
there's just going to be a backup of

4988
02:52:31,920 --> 02:52:34,400
cars that may take you to the

4989
02:52:34,400 --> 02:52:35,960
intersection.

4990
02:52:35,960 --> 02:52:37,800
I don't have a solution for that. I just

4991
02:52:37,800 --> 02:52:40,760
see it as a potential problem.

4992
02:52:40,760 --> 02:52:42,680
And my question is how would that be

4993
02:52:42,680 --> 02:52:44,800
addressed or resolved?

4994
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:46,920
Um it may be the same concern coming

4995
02:52:46,920 --> 02:52:48,760
from the south, but I think the bigger

4996
02:52:48,760 --> 02:52:50,280
concern is coming from the north and

4997
02:52:50,280 --> 02:52:52,320
affecting that intersection.

4998
02:52:52,320 --> 02:52:52,880
Thank you.

4999
02:52:52,880 --> 02:52:55,360
>> Thank you, Colleen.

5000
02:52:55,360 --> 02:52:56,800
All right. Anyone else for public

5001
02:52:56,800 --> 02:52:58,560
comment?

5002
02:52:58,560 --> 02:53:00,560
Thank you, everyone. We'll close public

5003
02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:03,680
comment and we'll have a discussion.

5004
02:53:03,680 --> 02:53:05,080
All right.

5005
02:53:05,080 --> 02:53:07,990
Commissioners?

5006
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:10,385
What are your thoughts?

5007
02:53:10,385 --> 02:53:10,680
>> [snorts]

5008
02:53:10,680 --> 02:53:12,360
>> Comment on traffic. Lit- literally

5009
02:53:12,360 --> 02:53:13,800
nothing happens in a vacuum. I've been

5010
02:53:13,800 --> 02:53:16,200
here since 2008. I live down on the

5011
02:53:16,200 --> 02:53:18,880
other side of highway six.

5012
02:53:18,880 --> 02:53:20,160
And when we opened up Spanish Fork

5013
02:53:20,160 --> 02:53:22,240
Parkway to allow me to have another

5014
02:53:22,240 --> 02:53:24,920
access point to, you know, to

5015
02:53:24,920 --> 02:53:26,960
everything else in town. This is one of

5016
02:53:26,960 --> 02:53:29,320
my main routes that I I take quite

5017
02:53:29,320 --> 02:53:31,880
often. And uh

5018
02:53:31,880 --> 02:53:33,240
I was quite overjoyed that this was

5019
02:53:33,240 --> 02:53:34,960
possible just because highway six can be

5020
02:53:34,960 --> 02:53:36,280
a nightmare.

5021
02:53:36,280 --> 02:53:39,560
I understand that uh traffic

5022
02:53:39,560 --> 02:53:41,480
I've had both of my children go to Maple

5023
02:53:41,480 --> 02:53:42,800
Mountain High School. I've been on the

5024
02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:44,760
other side of that traffic. They've been

5025
02:53:44,760 --> 02:53:46,600
on the other side of that traffic. That

5026
02:53:46,600 --> 02:53:49,240
traffic situation came from the school.

5027
02:53:49,240 --> 02:53:51,920
And both of these areas on both sides

5028
02:53:51,920 --> 02:53:53,280
have been unimproved for quite some

5029
02:53:53,280 --> 02:53:54,720
time. It's very similar to what we were

5030
02:53:54,720 --> 02:53:57,840
talking about with Arrowhead and um

5031
02:53:57,840 --> 02:53:59,240
and the Mill Road.

5032
02:53:59,240 --> 02:54:01,520
Um

5033
02:54:01,520 --> 02:54:03,120
Development's a difficult thing. I get

5034
02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:04,520
that. And a lot of changes here and I I

5035
02:54:04,520 --> 02:54:06,800
appreciate the neighbors talking very

5036
02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:08,800
thoughtfully about uh what changes this

5037
02:54:08,800 --> 02:54:10,600
make here makes here. They're already

5038
02:54:10,600 --> 02:54:12,240
dealing with the traffic situation that

5039
02:54:12,240 --> 02:54:15,600
is. Um my hope would be

5040
02:54:15,600 --> 02:54:17,560
in addition to the zoning

5041
02:54:17,560 --> 02:54:19,360
we do whatever we can

5042
02:54:19,360 --> 02:54:21,000
and make a priority to be on this

5043
02:54:21,000 --> 02:54:23,160
development for for where

5044
02:54:23,160 --> 02:54:25,120
addressing traffic situations. I know I

5045
02:54:25,120 --> 02:54:26,480
know we can talk through that ad

5046
02:54:26,480 --> 02:54:27,760
nauseam.

5047
02:54:27,760 --> 02:54:28,920
That said,

5048
02:54:28,920 --> 02:54:30,480
I think the reality of this is this is a

5049
02:54:30,480 --> 02:54:32,680
major corridor in town. This is a This

5050
02:54:32,680 --> 02:54:33,840
is one of the ways we can get there. And

5051
02:54:33,840 --> 02:54:35,760
when we at the the key thing was

5052
02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:37,240
actually opening up that railroad

5053
02:54:37,240 --> 02:54:39,720
crossing. And uh from my experience here

5054
02:54:39,720 --> 02:54:41,280
on the on the planning commission,

5055
02:54:41,280 --> 02:54:42,640
getting anything from the Union Pacific

5056
02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:44,760
Railroad is almost like getting an act

5057
02:54:44,760 --> 02:54:47,920
of Congress complete. Um so that is uh

5058
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:50,040
that's a key critical juncture here in

5059
02:54:50,040 --> 02:54:52,280
our city. Um

5060
02:54:52,280 --> 02:54:55,200
Looking at this, I like it. Um I

5061
02:54:55,200 --> 02:54:56,760
actually talked with my my son who's got

5062
02:54:56,760 --> 02:54:58,960
a lot of friends from Mapleton. Um one

5063
02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:01,240
thing we always kind of comment is in

5064
02:55:01,240 --> 02:55:02,400
Spanish Fork we have a lot more things

5065
02:55:02,400 --> 02:55:03,640
than they have in Mapleton. And this

5066
02:55:03,640 --> 02:55:05,080
area here

5067
02:55:05,080 --> 02:55:06,360
from a commercial development

5068
02:55:06,360 --> 02:55:07,640
perspective, I think would actually draw

5069
02:55:07,640 --> 02:55:11,240
in individuals from Mapleton. And it's it's good for our tax base there.

5070
02:55:11,240 --> 02:55:12,240
Now again, we'll see what size of

5071
02:55:12,240 --> 02:55:14,520
property uh things come there. I was

5072
02:55:14,520 --> 02:55:17,000
very close to the Small Mart. Um

5073
02:55:17,000 --> 02:55:18,520
Initially, I was quite opposed to some

5074
02:55:18,520 --> 02:55:19,640
of the commercial development there.

5075
02:55:19,640 --> 02:55:23,120
is quite a bit of traffic that comes in there. But I'll tell you

5076
02:55:23,120 --> 02:55:24,800
as a resident close to that, within

5077
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:28,240
walking distance, I love that I can walk

5078
02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:30,040
to all of those things from a a

5079
02:55:30,040 --> 02:55:32,200
commercial perspective. Having an area

5080
02:55:32,200 --> 02:55:34,680
that's walkable, you know, like a little

5081
02:55:34,680 --> 02:55:36,240
I I and I think I think a lot of these

5082
02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:37,480
residents here will see something

5083
02:55:37,480 --> 02:55:42,790
similar. So those are my thoughts.

5084
02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:45,040
» I I think my my concern is the same as

5085
02:55:45,040 --> 02:55:47,520
especially she mentioned trying to turn

5086
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:48,760
uh with no turning lane, that could be

5087
02:55:48,760 --> 02:55:49,960
really messy unless they're going to

5088
02:55:49,960 --> 02:55:52,200
widen that enough to put that in there.

5089
02:55:52,200 --> 02:55:54,840
Um and then I think the curb and gutter

5090
02:55:54,840 --> 02:55:56,600
and I think uh one point is to make sure

5091
02:55:56,600 --> 02:55:57,840
we develop the whole thing and not only

5092
02:55:57,840 --> 02:55:59,640
just half with the walkway, which I

5093
02:55:59,640 --> 02:56:01,880
would think we would ask for.

5094
02:56:01,880 --> 02:56:06,750
But that's my concerns.

5095
02:56:06,760 --> 02:56:07,640
» Anyone?

5096
02:56:07,640 --> 02:56:09,560
>> Okay, this uh

5097
02:56:09,560 --> 02:56:11,200
this has actually been on my radar long

5098
02:56:11,200 --> 02:56:13,400
before I thought I'd be sitting up here.

5099
02:56:13,400 --> 02:56:16,160
This is my neighborhood as well. And uh

5100
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:18,560
I've looked at this this property with

5101
02:56:18,560 --> 02:56:20,280
the power lines. And it it's a

5102
02:56:20,280 --> 02:56:22,800
challenging it's a challenging plot of

5103
02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:24,080
land.

5104
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:27,000
But like Mr. Ross said, eventually it's

5105
02:56:27,000 --> 02:56:29,680
going to get developed. And

5106
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:31,640
if it's not commercial, then it's it's

5107
02:56:31,640 --> 02:56:33,560
probably going to be townhouses.

5108
02:56:33,560 --> 02:56:35,920
And and I'm definitely opposed to that.

5109
02:56:35,920 --> 02:56:37,200
So,

5110
02:56:37,200 --> 02:56:37,960
um

5111
02:56:37,960 --> 02:56:39,920
as long as this doesn't get too

5112
02:56:39,920 --> 02:56:41,600
congested, I like how you have a lot

5113
02:56:41,600 --> 02:56:44,840
extra parking stalls than are required.

5114
02:56:44,840 --> 02:56:46,640
And if we could work with the neighbors

5115
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:48,160
like with the headlights and her getting

5116
02:56:48,160 --> 02:56:49,800
out of her driveway.

5117
02:56:49,800 --> 02:56:54,400
Um I I'm actually I like the corn better, but I I like

5118
02:56:54,400 --> 02:56:56,480
this project. And and I think a lot of

5119
02:56:56,480 --> 02:56:57,640
people

5120
02:56:57,640 --> 02:56:58,840
um

5121
02:56:58,840 --> 02:57:01,040
in in our area right there are the ones

5122
02:57:01,040 --> 02:57:02,800
that are going to be visiting that

5123
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:04,520
besides the high school.

5124
02:57:04,520 --> 02:57:05,120
Um

5125
02:57:05,120 --> 02:57:06,360
and so I don't

5126
02:57:06,360 --> 02:57:08,200
you know, the traffic is horrible. It

5127
02:57:08,200 --> 02:57:10,160
It's It's absolutely horrible. I have to

5128
02:57:10,160 --> 02:57:11,520
time when I leave to work and when I

5129
02:57:11,520 --> 02:57:13,160
come home based on what the high

5130
02:57:13,160 --> 02:57:15,400
school's doing. Um

5131
02:57:15,400 --> 02:57:17,000
but I don't think this is necessarily

5132
02:57:17,000 --> 02:57:18,640
going to add to that other than turning

5133
02:57:18,640 --> 02:57:20,200
in and out of there.

5134
02:57:20,200 --> 02:57:22,680
Um but I I like this I like this

5135
02:57:22,680 --> 02:57:24,000
project.

5136
02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:26,120
I'd like to see a really a good plot

5137
02:57:26,120 --> 02:57:27,600
plan.

5138
02:57:27,600 --> 02:57:29,040
>> Daryl, I want to make one comment on

5139
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:30,640
what you said. Please.

5140
02:57:30,640 --> 02:57:31,360
I I I don't [clears throat] think it's

5141
02:57:31,360 --> 02:57:33,760
no secret. I I I like run a lot. I run

5142
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:34,880
around the city. I think everyone's told

5143
02:57:34,880 --> 02:57:36,960
me they sighted me run somewhere.

5144
02:57:36,960 --> 02:57:38,960
The biggest thing that I see from a

5145
02:57:38,960 --> 02:57:41,560
traffic perspective when I'm running is

5146
02:57:41,560 --> 02:57:44,400
schools. It seems like it's much more so

5147
02:57:44,400 --> 02:57:45,880
than anything else including

5148
02:57:45,880 --> 02:57:47,280
residential.

5149
02:57:47,280 --> 02:57:48,440
You know when the school hours are in

5150
02:57:48,440 --> 02:57:50,080
place and that's when the traffic

5151
02:57:50,080 --> 02:57:52,600
happens. Canyon Road sees the same thing

5152
02:57:52,600 --> 02:57:55,000
from the junior high. Um

5153
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:57,160
it's it's just when all the people are

5154
02:57:57,160 --> 02:57:59,760
going to the same place. Everything else

5155
02:57:59,760 --> 02:58:00,920
Oh, let's not pretend like the traffic's

5156
02:58:00,920 --> 02:58:02,600
not bad at other times, but that's when

5157
02:58:02,600 --> 02:58:07,360
it's exceptionally bad. So, I'll just comment that, you know,

5158
02:58:07,360 --> 02:58:08,720
the school is the biggest thing. And the

5159
02:58:08,720 --> 02:58:11,040
school here has been the biggest thing

5160
02:58:11,040 --> 02:58:13,360
from a traffic perspective. So, that's

5161
02:58:13,360 --> 02:58:15,120
>> And I'd just like to say I like the fact

5162
02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:17,480
that we're addressing the zoning

5163
02:58:17,480 --> 02:58:19,160
first

5164
02:58:19,160 --> 02:58:21,400
ahead of the plat

5165
02:58:21,400 --> 02:58:23,880
because that we're not and then

5166
02:58:23,880 --> 02:58:26,240
you know, if we can approve that and I I

5167
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:27,600
believe with the

5168
02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:29,280
best use for this is commercial with the

5169
02:58:29,280 --> 02:58:30,760
power lines there

5170
02:58:30,760 --> 02:58:32,160
and everything plus, you know, it'll be

5171
02:58:32,160 --> 02:58:33,720
beneficial to the neighborhood in the

5172
02:58:33,720 --> 02:58:34,920
long run.

5173
02:58:34,920 --> 02:58:38,080
Um and as you design as a plat is

5174
02:58:38,080 --> 02:58:41,240
designed, I would hope with the city

5175
02:58:41,240 --> 02:58:44,280
that it, you know, a turning

5176
02:58:44,280 --> 02:58:46,400
lane or something to help

5177
02:58:46,400 --> 02:58:48,080
get around that corner to speed traffic

5178
02:58:48,080 --> 02:58:49,040
up.

5179
02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:51,360
You know, it might be beneficial speed

5180
02:58:51,360 --> 02:58:52,880
things up from what they are now even

5181
02:58:52,880 --> 02:58:55,600
with the added traffic on the commercial

5182
02:58:55,600 --> 02:58:56,720
right there.

5183
02:58:56,720 --> 02:58:58,800
Um and also maybe

5184
02:58:58,800 --> 02:59:00,400
like they say, if we could get the trail

5185
02:59:00,400 --> 02:59:02,280
in

5186
02:59:02,280 --> 02:59:04,440
all at once.

5187
02:59:04,440 --> 02:59:06,200
You know, while this is being designed

5188
02:59:06,200 --> 02:59:08,640
or, you know, whatever and then and it

5189
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:11,120
make sure that we the

5190
02:59:11,120 --> 02:59:14,840
entrances are addressed so they're not

5191
02:59:14,840 --> 02:59:16,320
detrimental to the existing people

5192
02:59:16,320 --> 02:59:17,840
across the street.

5193
02:59:17,840 --> 02:59:21,000
Um but I like the idea of it.

5194
02:59:21,000 --> 02:59:23,000
And you know, it is a little bit outside

5195
02:59:23,000 --> 02:59:25,080
the general the approved general plan on

5196
02:59:25,080 --> 02:59:26,960
the commercial but

5197
02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:30,320
it's the best use of the property.

5198
02:59:30,320 --> 02:59:32,760
So, I like it and you know, I'm sure

5199
02:59:32,760 --> 02:59:34,880
it'll change as as the design goes in

5200
02:59:34,880 --> 02:59:39,449
and the city staff gets involved.

5201
02:59:39,459 --> 02:59:39,760
» [snorts]

5202
02:59:39,760 --> 02:59:42,600
>> Thank you. Thanks everyone. Uh

5203
02:59:42,600 --> 02:59:45,000
I know that we gen that when we were

5204
02:59:45,000 --> 02:59:47,080
talking about general plan, we did this

5205
02:59:47,080 --> 02:59:49,000
area for

5206
02:59:49,000 --> 02:59:50,720
um for commercial for a couple of

5207
02:59:50,720 --> 02:59:53,520
reasons. One is then

5208
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:55,760
if you have commercial here, then you

5209
02:59:55,760 --> 02:59:57,680
are not and you have if you have

5210
02:59:57,680 --> 02:59:59,880
commercial just right here and you have

5211
02:59:59,880 --> 03:00:02,520
residential here, then it's less impact

5212
03:00:02,520 --> 03:00:04,200
to our three friends who are sitting in

5213
03:00:04,200 --> 03:00:05,840
these rows in front of us. That's

5214
03:00:05,840 --> 03:00:08,360
exactly why we did that.

5215
03:00:08,360 --> 03:00:10,640
Now that we're sitting in this meeting

5216
03:00:10,640 --> 03:00:12,840
and and I believe that that's the that's

5217
03:00:12,840 --> 03:00:15,240
the best way. Least impact, then you can

5218
03:00:15,240 --> 03:00:18,320
put a masonry wall behind this right

5219
03:00:18,320 --> 03:00:20,080
here, so it's less impact to our

5220
03:00:20,080 --> 03:00:21,480
neighbors that are here on the front

5221
03:00:21,480 --> 03:00:23,240
row, right?

5222
03:00:23,240 --> 03:00:26,840
Um practically speaking though, with

5223
03:00:26,840 --> 03:00:30,040
this being the owned plot of land and

5224
03:00:30,040 --> 03:00:31,160
this

5225
03:00:31,160 --> 03:00:34,400
um not being part of the same plot of

5226
03:00:34,400 --> 03:00:37,520
ownership, I can see why

5227
03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:39,680
this is more practical.

5228
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:43,400
I still am so concerned about it.

5229
03:00:43,400 --> 03:00:46,680
Um I I too drive this all the time. I

5230
03:00:46,680 --> 03:00:48,320
live on this side, my grandkids live

5231
03:00:48,320 --> 03:00:49,880
down here.

5232
03:00:49,880 --> 03:00:53,120
So, that's the way I That's the way I

5233
03:00:53,120 --> 03:00:54,080
go.

5234
03:00:54,080 --> 03:00:55,840
Um and

5235
03:00:55,840 --> 03:00:58,840
um the There is one difference I was

5236
03:00:58,840 --> 03:01:01,640
realizing, Paul, about the difference

5237
03:01:01,640 --> 03:01:04,880
between Smart & Final Neighborhood and

5238
03:01:04,880 --> 03:01:07,960
this commercial and these neighbors is a

5239
03:01:07,960 --> 03:01:10,120
masonry wall.

5240
03:01:10,120 --> 03:01:13,720
The you have a good masonry wall and

5241
03:01:13,720 --> 03:01:16,840
foliage whatever that's called zone,

5242
03:01:16,840 --> 03:01:17,360
right?

5243
03:01:17,360 --> 03:01:18,760
>> Yeah, and it's actually really nice one

5244
03:01:18,760 --> 03:01:20,640
and I'll also comment that was a huge

5245
03:01:20,640 --> 03:01:23,120
discussion that we had. We my neighbors

5246
03:01:23,120 --> 03:01:25,200
directly with the city and the city was

5247
03:01:25,200 --> 03:01:27,600
exceptionally responsive to that. And

5248
03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:29,640
that that area is

5249
03:01:29,640 --> 03:01:31,320
actually nice. It's almost a park.

5250
03:01:31,320 --> 03:01:32,120
>> It's beautiful.

5251
03:01:32,120 --> 03:01:32,680
>> Yeah.

5252
03:01:32,680 --> 03:01:35,480
>> They keep it Yeah, thank you city

5253
03:01:35,480 --> 03:01:37,560
maintenance people who take care parks

5254
03:01:37,560 --> 03:01:39,200
and rec. Please pass that along. It's

5255
03:01:39,200 --> 03:01:40,920
beautifully kept.

5256
03:01:40,920 --> 03:01:44,880
Uh and so it's it's very similar and has

5257
03:01:44,880 --> 03:01:49,160
some of the same benefits, but also

5258
03:01:49,160 --> 03:01:52,120
uh it you're always you're already so

5259
03:01:52,120 --> 03:01:55,800
heavily impacted. I wish that we

5260
03:01:55,800 --> 03:01:58,000
And it is not the job of the planning

5261
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:01,280
commission to maximize the finances of

5262
03:02:01,280 --> 03:02:03,520
developers. That's Our job is to look

5263
03:02:03,520 --> 03:02:05,000
out for

5264
03:02:05,000 --> 03:02:07,600
um the best interest of our residents

5265
03:02:07,600 --> 03:02:09,280
and our city.

5266
03:02:09,280 --> 03:02:12,120
Um, and so

5267
03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:14,720
at the same time, this would be a great

5268
03:02:14,720 --> 03:02:17,240
little place for teenagers to come

5269
03:02:17,240 --> 03:02:20,640
during lunch and do And so in my mind

5270
03:02:20,640 --> 03:02:23,320
I'm thinking is there a way to do some

5271
03:02:23,320 --> 03:02:25,240
kind of protective barriers if you're

5272
03:02:25,240 --> 03:02:29,360
doing a drive-thru to so lights are not

5273
03:02:29,360 --> 03:02:32,320
shining over there. Is there a way to

5274
03:02:32,320 --> 03:02:35,480
mitigate sound? I know there's ways to

5275
03:02:35,480 --> 03:02:37,400
mitigate the lights that are coming down

5276
03:02:37,400 --> 03:02:39,560
because there's a great big building

5277
03:02:39,560 --> 03:02:41,560
that's going down down over here that

5278
03:02:41,560 --> 03:02:43,320
they've talked a whole lot about light

5279
03:02:43,320 --> 03:02:47,880
impacts to their neighbors. And so

5280
03:02:47,880 --> 03:02:49,560
um, that we've talked about very

5281
03:02:49,560 --> 03:02:50,760
recently.

5282
03:02:50,760 --> 03:02:52,680
But, um

5283
03:02:52,680 --> 03:02:54,320
And so

5284
03:02:54,320 --> 03:02:57,120
I'm so torn. I I appreciate that you

5285
03:02:57,120 --> 03:02:59,000
have this little This will be a cute

5286
03:02:59,000 --> 03:03:00,920
little development. They'll just love

5287
03:03:00,920 --> 03:03:03,320
their neighbors. My other concern is

5288
03:03:03,320 --> 03:03:04,840
that

5289
03:03:04,840 --> 03:03:06,920
I think it's

5290
03:03:06,920 --> 03:03:08,720
Sometimes good to do zoning before

5291
03:03:08,720 --> 03:03:12,040
there's a site plan, but the other times

5292
03:03:12,040 --> 03:03:14,320
it's concerning that there's not a site

5293
03:03:14,320 --> 03:03:16,760
plan when you do zoning cuz that's our

5294
03:03:16,760 --> 03:03:19,040
only bite at the apple. Once we change

5295
03:03:19,040 --> 03:03:21,000
it to commercial

5296
03:03:21,000 --> 03:03:22,600
um, then

5297
03:03:22,600 --> 03:03:24,880
it doesn't ever come before planning

5298
03:03:24,880 --> 03:03:26,560
commission again because they have the

5299
03:03:26,560 --> 03:03:28,800
right to develop it there. And so

5300
03:03:28,800 --> 03:03:30,800
they're meeting with our good friends in

5301
03:03:30,800 --> 03:03:33,080
the community development office and

5302
03:03:33,080 --> 03:03:36,600
they know and understand our city

5303
03:03:36,600 --> 03:03:40,320
uh, and and what we'd like there, but um

5304
03:03:40,320 --> 03:03:42,800
it's our only time to weigh in on a

5305
03:03:42,800 --> 03:03:44,600
on what goes there.

5306
03:03:44,600 --> 03:03:47,080
Uh

5307
03:03:47,080 --> 03:03:48,600
And

5308
03:03:48,600 --> 03:03:50,360
that's the hard The other hard part is

5309
03:03:50,360 --> 03:03:51,480
when you have a high school there

5310
03:03:51,480 --> 03:03:52,960
because high school traffic is the

5311
03:03:52,960 --> 03:03:54,560
hardest. It's not like an elementary

5312
03:03:54,560 --> 03:03:56,320
school or a middle school or a junior

5313
03:03:56,320 --> 03:03:58,640
middle school where you have high

5314
03:03:58,640 --> 03:04:01,440
traffic twice a day and the rest of the

5315
03:04:01,440 --> 03:04:03,800
time it's pretty fine. High school is

5316
03:04:03,800 --> 03:04:04,960
just

5317
03:04:04,960 --> 03:04:07,600
most of the time very high impact. I

5318
03:04:07,600 --> 03:04:09,920
mean, even in the summertime.

5319
03:04:09,920 --> 03:04:12,240
So,

5320
03:04:12,240 --> 03:04:13,520
I've seen a few

5321
03:04:13,520 --> 03:04:17,120
at least two proposals for this land.

5322
03:04:17,120 --> 03:04:21,280
I don't know where to land on

5323
03:04:21,280 --> 03:04:23,760
my opinion on this subject, so

5324
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:26,590
uh

5325
03:04:26,600 --> 03:04:28,040
Did everybody else say something on

5326
03:04:28,040 --> 03:04:29,960
this? Any other comments on this before

5327
03:04:29,960 --> 03:04:34,070
I entertain a motion?

5328
03:04:34,080 --> 03:04:36,560
» One one last comment. I think it is fair

5329
03:04:36,560 --> 03:04:38,560
It's not perfect, but it's fairly

5330
03:04:38,560 --> 03:04:41,720
consistent with the um land use plan.

5331
03:04:41,720 --> 03:04:43,200
We're talking a very small amount.

5332
03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:45,720
>> And practical And it is practical with

5333
03:04:45,720 --> 03:04:48,720
the that is one land owner.

5334
03:04:48,720 --> 03:04:50,080
>> Yeah, and I think the comment on land

5335
03:04:50,080 --> 03:04:54,640
use or like the the master plan doesn't say we own the

5336
03:04:54,640 --> 03:04:56,560
whole thing and we can run everything.

5337
03:04:56,560 --> 03:04:58,280
It's ultimately up to the the private

5338
03:04:58,280 --> 03:05:00,080
property owners in terms of what can

5339
03:05:00,080 --> 03:05:01,520
happen there and

5340
03:05:01,520 --> 03:05:03,200
But again, I think this very much fits

5341
03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:04,840
the the guidance there.

5342
03:05:04,840 --> 03:05:08,200
>> I guess I guess I I guess I and we would

5343
03:05:08,200 --> 03:05:09,583
all look you in the eye and say

5344
03:05:09,583 --> 03:05:10,880
[clears throat]

5345
03:05:10,880 --> 03:05:13,560
if we if we recommend this to the city

5346
03:05:13,560 --> 03:05:15,840
council, that we would hope that you

5347
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:17,520
would definitely want to work with the

5348
03:05:17,520 --> 03:05:19,840
neighbors so that it's a mutually

5349
03:05:19,840 --> 03:05:22,160
beneficial

5350
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:23,200
uh

5351
03:05:23,200 --> 03:05:25,200
the the least impact possible on the

5352
03:05:25,200 --> 03:05:25,480
neighbors.

5353
03:05:25,480 --> 03:05:26,960
>> Yeah, and

5354
03:05:26,960 --> 03:05:28,600
one thing we say every time we come into

5355
03:05:28,600 --> 03:05:30,880
a city is like we want to build uh

5356
03:05:30,880 --> 03:05:33,240
something for the community. Um that's

5357
03:05:33,240 --> 03:05:34,800
one of the benefits of being a retail

5358
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:36,000
developer.

5359
03:05:36,000 --> 03:05:37,520
Um I

5360
03:05:37,520 --> 03:05:39,240
haven't worked in Spanish Fork very

5361
03:05:39,240 --> 03:05:41,680
much, so I I'm not as familiar with the

5362
03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:44,320
code as I am other cities. Typically,

5363
03:05:44,320 --> 03:05:46,560
there's headlight screening requirements

5364
03:05:46,560 --> 03:05:49,240
for drive-throughs. There's um dark sky

5365
03:05:49,240 --> 03:05:51,240
ordinances or or just requirements for

5366
03:05:51,240 --> 03:05:52,680
lighting, and we're happy to meet that.

5367
03:05:52,680 --> 03:05:54,040
We

5368
03:05:54,040 --> 03:05:55,920
we're willing to work with the the

5369
03:05:55,920 --> 03:05:58,320
neighbors to make sure that we're not

5370
03:05:58,320 --> 03:06:01,400
building something that's um intrusive,

5371
03:06:01,400 --> 03:06:02,760
that, you know, we're we're doing all

5372
03:06:02,760 --> 03:06:04,000
the things to make sure that we're

5373
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:07,560
fitting into the community. That's always been um

5374
03:06:07,560 --> 03:06:09,600
how we've done it. Uh I

5375
03:06:09,600 --> 03:06:11,840
our company has a good reputation. I

5376
03:06:11,840 --> 03:06:12,880
know

5377
03:06:12,880 --> 03:06:14,920
I can say that all I want and

5378
03:06:14,920 --> 03:06:17,480
um doesn't mean anything, but um if you

5379
03:06:17,480 --> 03:06:18,600
go and talk to the people we've worked

5380
03:06:18,600 --> 03:06:20,280
with, we do uh

5381
03:06:20,280 --> 03:06:22,080
try to work with neighbors and work with

5382
03:06:22,080 --> 03:06:24,400
the city and I I think um we have a

5383
03:06:24,400 --> 03:06:26,680
history of uh

5384
03:06:26,680 --> 03:06:28,280
you know, showing that we do that.

5385
03:06:28,280 --> 03:06:30,440
>> Thank you. Appreciate that.

5386
03:06:30,440 --> 03:06:31,560
Okay.

5387
03:06:31,560 --> 03:06:36,990
With that, I would entertain a motion.

5388
03:06:37,000 --> 03:06:39,600
Looking for a red

5389
03:06:39,600 --> 03:06:47,750
slide.

5390
03:06:47,760 --> 03:06:50,480
» I'll make a motion that we approve the

5391
03:06:50,480 --> 03:06:52,360
proposed Hollow Acres commercial zone

5392
03:06:52,360 --> 03:06:55,120
change be recommended for approval based

5393
03:06:55,120 --> 03:06:58,280
on the findings listed there.

5394
03:06:58,280 --> 03:06:59,680
>> Thank you. We have a motion. Do we have

5395
03:06:59,680 --> 03:07:00,400
a second?

5396
03:07:00,400 --> 03:07:01,520
>> I'll second that.

5397
03:07:01,520 --> 03:07:02,920
>> All in favor?

5398
03:07:02,920 --> 03:07:03,840
>> Aye.

5399
03:07:03,840 --> 03:07:06,200
>> And all opposed?

5400
03:07:06,200 --> 03:07:09,480
Okay, that passes unanimously.

5401
03:07:09,480 --> 03:07:12,840
Woo, 40 minutes.

5402
03:07:12,840 --> 03:07:15,800
Thank you, friends. We have been sitting

5403
03:07:15,800 --> 03:07:17,920
here for 3 hours and we'd like to take a

5404
03:07:17,920 --> 03:07:21,040
5-minute break before we come back.

5405
03:07:21,040 --> 03:16:25,430
Thank you.

5406
03:16:25,440 --> 03:16:27,800
» Thank you. Um, Mr. Anderson, before we

5407
03:16:27,800 --> 03:16:30,160
do our next our next thing, I'd like to

5408
03:16:30,160 --> 03:16:32,240
take one moment of personal privilege,

5409
03:16:32,240 --> 03:16:35,280
if you wouldn't mind.

5410
03:16:35,280 --> 03:16:37,341
Is that all right?

5411
03:16:37,341 --> 03:16:38,120
>> [laughter]

5412
03:16:38,120 --> 03:16:39,200
>> Okay, everyone.

5413
03:16:39,200 --> 03:16:42,440
>> Just sit sit down and enjoy this.

5414
03:16:42,440 --> 03:16:43,680
>> All right, it's my last Planning

5415
03:16:43,680 --> 03:16:46,160
Commission meeting, and

5416
03:16:46,160 --> 03:16:48,600
I just have to share. I I'm just going

5417
03:16:48,600 --> 03:16:50,800
to take 2 minutes to share, my friends.

5418
03:16:50,800 --> 03:16:52,120
I made a list of some things I've

5419
03:16:52,120 --> 03:16:54,200
learned as a Planning Commissioner.

5420
03:16:54,200 --> 03:16:54,600
You ready?

5421
03:16:54,600 --> 03:16:55,681
>> They're putting a timer on.

5422
03:16:55,681 --> 03:16:56,600
>> [laughter]

5423
03:16:56,600 --> 03:16:57,440
>> Yes!

5424
03:16:57,440 --> 03:17:00,040
do it, please. No, do it. Okay, do

5425
03:17:00,040 --> 03:17:02,600
it. All right. Number one is Here's one

5426
03:17:02,600 --> 03:17:04,480
thing I've learned. Spanish Fork city

5427
03:17:04,480 --> 03:17:06,760
staff are professionals. They care about

5428
03:17:06,760 --> 03:17:09,160
our citizens and the best practices for

5429
03:17:09,160 --> 03:17:11,600
uh in city development and services.

5430
03:17:11,600 --> 03:17:13,600
They do the work. Thank you for doing

5431
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:14,840
the work.

5432
03:17:14,840 --> 03:17:17,680
Um, people want to live in Spanish Fork

5433
03:17:17,680 --> 03:17:19,880
uh including our own kids.

5434
03:17:19,880 --> 03:17:22,360
So, uh that growth needs to be well

5435
03:17:22,360 --> 03:17:24,800
planned and thoughtfully managed.

5436
03:17:24,800 --> 03:17:25,760
Uh

5437
03:17:25,760 --> 03:17:27,120
I'm grateful to have worked with

5438
03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:29,040
incredible people. Like I've said, city

5439
03:17:29,040 --> 03:17:31,440
staff, Dave Anderson, who's been patient

5440
03:17:31,440 --> 03:17:32,720
with my questions and given me

5441
03:17:32,720 --> 03:17:34,560
perspective and history.

5442
03:17:34,560 --> 03:17:36,640
Uh, one of the best pieces of advice

5443
03:17:36,640 --> 03:17:38,720
that I've gotten was something like,

5444
03:17:38,720 --> 03:17:40,520
"Learn all you want about city planning

5445
03:17:40,520 --> 03:17:42,840
and code. We will support We,

5446
03:17:42,840 --> 03:17:44,200
professionals, will support you in the

5447
03:17:44,200 --> 03:17:46,640
details." This is Dave talking to me.

5448
03:17:46,640 --> 03:17:49,240
"You make sure you come to planning

5449
03:17:49,240 --> 03:17:50,920
commission with your common sense and

5450
03:17:50,920 --> 03:17:53,080
your connections to the community."

5451
03:17:53,080 --> 03:17:55,480
That's the second best advice I've ever

5452
03:17:55,480 --> 03:17:57,120
received and the first was to thank

5453
03:17:57,120 --> 03:17:59,360
everyone. So, thank you all of you who

5454
03:17:59,360 --> 03:18:02,160
come with your your your

5455
03:18:02,160 --> 03:18:04,800
common sense and your own experience.

5456
03:18:04,800 --> 03:18:06,840
Um, thank you to Dave and Brandon,

5457
03:18:06,840 --> 03:18:12,600
David, Ian, Seth, Casey, Von, Byron,

5458
03:18:12,600 --> 03:18:14,720
all our friends,

5459
03:18:14,720 --> 03:18:16,600
uh, all our city servants, current and

5460
03:18:16,600 --> 03:18:18,720
past. What a privilege it's been. Thank

5461
03:18:18,720 --> 03:18:20,480
you to my fellow commissioners, both

5462
03:18:20,480 --> 03:18:22,200
past and present. Thank you for being

5463
03:18:22,200 --> 03:18:23,560
willing to speak up and share your

5464
03:18:23,560 --> 03:18:25,160
insights. Tonight has been a perfect

5465
03:18:25,160 --> 03:18:27,840
example of that. You are a model of how

5466
03:18:27,840 --> 03:18:29,640
to have robust conversations and look at

5467
03:18:29,640 --> 03:18:31,680
all sides of an issue. We agree and we

5468
03:18:31,680 --> 03:18:33,000
disagree.

5469
03:18:33,000 --> 03:18:34,960
We come to a consensus most of the time,

5470
03:18:34,960 --> 03:18:37,680
but sometimes not, as shown tonight, and

5471
03:18:37,680 --> 03:18:38,800
we're great friends at [snorts] the end

5472
03:18:38,800 --> 03:18:40,560
of the meeting. And that's what we do in

5473
03:18:40,560 --> 03:18:43,560
Spanish Fork City, no matter what social

5474
03:18:43,560 --> 03:18:46,000
media says.

5475
03:18:46,000 --> 03:18:47,640
It's easier to make hard decisions when

5476
03:18:47,640 --> 03:18:50,000
you're flanked by sensible people. And I

5477
03:18:50,000 --> 03:18:52,200
have grown a stronger backbone from this

5478
03:18:52,200 --> 03:18:53,680
experience.

5479
03:18:53,680 --> 03:18:54,560
Uh,

5480
03:18:54,560 --> 03:18:56,360
there will be people who are displeased

5481
03:18:56,360 --> 03:18:59,000
with any decisions you make.

5482
03:18:59,000 --> 03:19:00,480
Um,

5483
03:19:00,480 --> 03:19:01,880
as far as my planning commission

5484
03:19:01,880 --> 03:19:03,440
friends, I think that I drove Todd

5485
03:19:03,440 --> 03:19:06,000
Mitchell crazy for the first two years

5486
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:08,120
that we served together.

5487
03:19:08,120 --> 03:19:11,320
I And thanks for tolerating me, Todd.

5488
03:19:11,320 --> 03:19:14,040
Uh, from him I've learned to keep asking

5489
03:19:14,040 --> 03:19:16,440
where where the city council stands on

5490
03:19:16,440 --> 03:19:18,520
issues. If they're not interested, don't

5491
03:19:18,520 --> 03:19:20,640
spend a lot of time on it. And don't be

5492
03:19:20,640 --> 03:19:22,520
afraid to reach out and talk to our city

5493
03:19:22,520 --> 03:19:24,720
council members. Uh

5494
03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:28,160
all but one thing I also learned from

5495
03:19:28,160 --> 03:19:30,640
Mitchell was it's not my job to make

5496
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:32,400
developers money. It's my job to think

5497
03:19:32,400 --> 03:19:34,160
about what's best for the community.

5498
03:19:34,160 --> 03:19:36,760
Thanks to John Mendenhall who reminded

5499
03:19:36,760 --> 03:19:38,280
us that Spanish Fork has a vibrant

5500
03:19:38,280 --> 03:19:40,920
history that we should remember when

5501
03:19:40,920 --> 03:19:42,760
making our decisions

5502
03:19:42,760 --> 03:19:45,280
even if meetings are longer.

5503
03:19:45,280 --> 03:19:47,440
Thank you to Councilman Oehler who told

5504
03:19:47,440 --> 03:19:50,000
me to ask a lot of questions.

5505
03:19:50,000 --> 03:19:51,680
Even if it seems like everyone else

5506
03:19:51,680 --> 03:19:53,280
knows the answer and that you think that

5507
03:19:53,280 --> 03:19:54,960
you should know the answer.

5508
03:19:54,960 --> 03:19:57,280
Thank you to our mayor for being willing

5509
03:19:57,280 --> 03:20:00,560
to call a spade a spade. Listen and

5510
03:20:00,560 --> 03:20:02,480
consider and then make the sensible

5511
03:20:02,480 --> 03:20:04,760
choice in a very respectful way.

5512
03:20:04,760 --> 03:20:06,800
Thank you to Joseph Joseph Ernest for

5513
03:20:06,800 --> 03:20:08,880
telling me not to apologize for having

5514
03:20:08,880 --> 03:20:11,560
different opinions and for being funny.

5515
03:20:11,560 --> 03:20:13,160
Thank you Michelle for sharing your

5516
03:20:13,160 --> 03:20:14,880
expertise

5517
03:20:14,880 --> 03:20:18,640
and helping me think outside the box. Uh

5518
03:20:18,640 --> 03:20:20,840
Thank you to all of you. Uh change is

5519
03:20:20,840 --> 03:20:23,480
hard. This is one thing I've learned in

5520
03:20:23,480 --> 03:20:25,680
Spanish on planning commission. Change

5521
03:20:25,680 --> 03:20:27,520
is hard and there's fear that comes

5522
03:20:27,520 --> 03:20:29,040
along with that.

5523
03:20:29,040 --> 03:20:33,160
Uh our awesome citizens come and their

5524
03:20:33,160 --> 03:20:35,320
standard concerns are that their home

5525
03:20:35,320 --> 03:20:37,440
values are going to go down, that crime

5526
03:20:37,440 --> 03:20:39,520
will increase, and that their children

5527
03:20:39,520 --> 03:20:41,240
will be injured.

5528
03:20:41,240 --> 03:20:44,640
Uh we care about the safety we care

5529
03:20:44,640 --> 03:20:46,800
about our safety and our pocketbook. All

5530
03:20:46,800 --> 03:20:49,000
of us do and it's good to think about

5531
03:20:49,000 --> 03:20:51,960
that and also to understand that those

5532
03:20:51,960 --> 03:20:54,600
things are vetted by our city staff each

5533
03:20:54,600 --> 03:20:57,160
time and that before anything comes

5534
03:20:57,160 --> 03:20:59,440
before us. They care about our safety

5535
03:20:59,440 --> 03:21:01,720
and pocketbooks and our city.

5536
03:21:01,720 --> 03:21:04,080
Thank you to our citizens who come and

5537
03:21:04,080 --> 03:21:06,600
share your concerns about projects. We

5538
03:21:06,600 --> 03:21:08,560
make better decisions when we listen,

5539
03:21:08,560 --> 03:21:11,440
consider, discuss, and ask staff.

5540
03:21:11,440 --> 03:21:14,240
Uh planning commissioners, do your keep

5541
03:21:14,240 --> 03:21:15,640
doing your homework and keep asking

5542
03:21:15,640 --> 03:21:17,440
questions, especially ask staff, how

5543
03:21:17,440 --> 03:21:20,000
projects will impact our community

5544
03:21:20,000 --> 03:21:22,520
and ask what we are not asking or

5545
03:21:22,520 --> 03:21:25,360
thinking about. Be willing Be willing to

5546
03:21:25,360 --> 03:21:28,320
change your mind and read the land use

5547
03:21:28,320 --> 03:21:30,080
element of the general plan, not just

5548
03:21:30,080 --> 03:21:31,720
the map, and consider it when making

5549
03:21:31,720 --> 03:21:33,320
decisions. And thank you for the

5550
03:21:33,320 --> 03:21:35,840
privilege of serving

5551
03:21:35,840 --> 03:21:37,680
Spanish Fork City and with you, my

5552
03:21:37,680 --> 03:21:38,920
friends.

5553
03:21:38,920 --> 03:21:42,790
All right. Thank you.

5554
03:21:42,800 --> 03:21:45,720
Okay, our next thing is

5555
03:21:45,720 --> 03:21:48,920
title 15 amendments.

5556
03:21:48,920 --> 03:21:49,840
>> So,

5557
03:21:49,840 --> 03:21:51,400
I'm going to be really quick. I had an

5558
03:21:51,400 --> 03:21:52,720
opportunity last night. Shanna came to

5559
03:21:52,720 --> 03:21:54,400
the City Council meeting for anybody

5560
03:21:54,400 --> 03:21:55,760
that doesn't know that.

5561
03:21:55,760 --> 03:21:56,920
New members were appointed to the

5562
03:21:56,920 --> 03:21:59,480
commission and the council took a couple

5563
03:21:59,480 --> 03:22:01,040
of minutes to express some warm feelings

5564
03:22:01,040 --> 03:22:03,040
about Shanna and her service.

5565
03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:04,560
Shanna, couple thoughts that I had after

5566
03:22:04,560 --> 03:22:07,120
I sat down last night. So, to be brief,

5567
03:22:07,120 --> 03:22:08,200
one of the things I have appreciated the

5568
03:22:08,200 --> 03:22:09,600
most about working with Shanna, and the

5569
03:22:09,600 --> 03:22:11,440
list is long,

5570
03:22:11,440 --> 03:22:16,760
is how you've represented the city as a community, the city as an

5571
03:22:16,760 --> 03:22:18,920
organization, the civic,

5572
03:22:18,920 --> 03:22:20,600
you know, entity that is the city. I

5573
03:22:20,600 --> 03:22:22,040
think very few people have come to

5574
03:22:22,040 --> 03:22:24,000
meetings that haven't felt like you

5575
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:26,480
heard them, like you cared, and like you

5576
03:22:26,480 --> 03:22:30,000
were trying to do your best to to

5577
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:31,440
um

5578
03:22:31,440 --> 03:22:34,240
to take care of them. And

5579
03:22:34,240 --> 03:22:36,680
there's a warmth that you've exhibited

5580
03:22:36,680 --> 03:22:38,280
in that. I think you've been a great

5581
03:22:38,280 --> 03:22:41,720
example. You've been devout

5582
03:22:41,720 --> 03:22:44,520
and committed and we couldn't have asked

5583
03:22:44,520 --> 03:22:46,200
for anything more, so.

5584
03:22:46,200 --> 03:22:47,000
Thank you.

5585
03:22:47,000 --> 03:22:47,560
>> Thanks.

5586
03:22:47,560 --> 03:22:48,400
for letting me take a quick

5587
03:22:48,400 --> 03:22:49,600
minute with that.

5588
03:22:49,600 --> 03:22:52,680
>> That's nice. Okay, title 15, here we go.

5589
03:22:52,680 --> 03:22:55,600
>> Okay, this is really simple. I

5590
03:22:55,600 --> 03:22:58,000
won't drag it on longer than I need to.

5591
03:22:58,000 --> 03:23:00,560
The state code changed

5592
03:23:00,560 --> 03:23:03,080
and has directed cities to have

5593
03:23:03,080 --> 03:23:05,880
requirements for detached accessory

5594
03:23:05,880 --> 03:23:07,360
dwelling units.

5595
03:23:07,360 --> 03:23:09,880
A detached accessory dwelling unit is a

5596
03:23:09,880 --> 03:23:11,880
second

5597
03:23:11,880 --> 03:23:13,880
living quarters

5598
03:23:13,880 --> 03:23:16,520
that's on the same property as the

5599
03:23:16,520 --> 03:23:19,680
primary dwelling unit um where they

5600
03:23:19,680 --> 03:23:21,480
don't share walls.

5601
03:23:21,480 --> 03:23:24,640
So, it might be um a separate building

5602
03:23:24,640 --> 03:23:26,560
in a backyard.

5603
03:23:26,560 --> 03:23:27,960
I think frankly that's pretty much what

5604
03:23:27,960 --> 03:23:29,800
it would have to be. It also potentially

5605
03:23:29,800 --> 03:23:31,400
could be living space maybe over a

5606
03:23:31,400 --> 03:23:34,920
detached garage or that type of a thing.

5607
03:23:34,920 --> 03:23:36,160
Um

5608
03:23:36,160 --> 03:23:36,840
Uh

5609
03:23:36,840 --> 03:23:38,960
in any event, uh right now we require

5610
03:23:38,960 --> 03:23:40,800
two parking spaces

5611
03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:42,760
when that type of unit exists on a

5612
03:23:42,760 --> 03:23:44,040
property

5613
03:23:44,040 --> 03:23:47,560
to accommodate that particular unit.

5614
03:23:47,560 --> 03:23:51,640
State code has now been changed to say

5615
03:23:51,640 --> 03:23:52,960
that if

5616
03:23:52,960 --> 03:23:55,200
those buildings

5617
03:23:55,200 --> 03:24:00,520
have less than 650 square feet of space

5618
03:24:00,520 --> 03:24:02,760
for that detached accessory dwelling

5619
03:24:02,760 --> 03:24:05,920
unit cities can only require the

5620
03:24:05,920 --> 03:24:07,331
property owner to provide

5621
03:24:07,331 --> 03:24:07,400
>> [clears throat]

5622
03:24:07,400 --> 03:24:08,480
>> one

5623
03:24:08,480 --> 03:24:10,720
off-street parking space

5624
03:24:10,720 --> 03:24:13,200
for that unit. That's what this change

5625
03:24:13,200 --> 03:24:15,440
is about. It's really that simple. Um I

5626
03:24:15,440 --> 03:24:16,880
included the language with the staff

5627
03:24:16,880 --> 03:24:18,120
report

5628
03:24:18,120 --> 03:24:20,640
that we have to match by the 1st of

5629
03:24:20,640 --> 03:24:21,920
October.

5630
03:24:21,920 --> 03:24:24,200
Um this would bring us into conformity

5631
03:24:24,200 --> 03:24:26,360
with that. This is a really easy change

5632
03:24:26,360 --> 03:24:28,680
for us because we've allowed detached

5633
03:24:28,680 --> 03:24:30,200
accessory dwelling units for several

5634
03:24:30,200 --> 03:24:33,200
years in a manner that but for this is

5635
03:24:33,200 --> 03:24:35,200
consistent with this recent change to

5636
03:24:35,200 --> 03:24:36,520
state code.

5637
03:24:36,520 --> 03:24:38,400
I took longer even than explaining it

5638
03:24:38,400 --> 03:24:39,840
than I intended to.

5639
03:24:39,840 --> 03:24:42,160
>> Can we ask Can I ask one question about

5640
03:24:42,160 --> 03:24:44,440
how many of these are in our city?

5641
03:24:44,440 --> 03:24:46,560
>> That's a great question. Probably into

5642
03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:49,040
the dozens, I would say.

5643
03:24:49,040 --> 03:24:51,280
>> The majority that we see are accessory

5644
03:24:51,280 --> 03:24:53,960
or sorry are attached or internal

5645
03:24:53,960 --> 03:24:55,320
accessory.

5646
03:24:55,320 --> 03:24:57,840
Uh I'd say a a dozen is probably a fair

5647
03:24:57,840 --> 03:24:59,240
estimate.

5648
03:24:59,240 --> 03:25:00,680
>> Okay.

5649
03:25:00,680 --> 03:25:02,360
Thank you.

5650
03:25:02,360 --> 03:25:03,560
All right, any other questions or

5651
03:25:03,560 --> 03:25:05,360
comments on this?

5652
03:25:05,360 --> 03:25:07,200
I'll I'll entertain a motion.

5653
03:25:07,200 --> 03:25:08,120
>> Public hearing or public hearing?

5654
03:25:08,120 --> 03:25:09,880
>> Oh, wait. Public hearing. I open this up

5655
03:25:09,880 --> 03:25:12,160
to public hearing and remember

5656
03:25:12,160 --> 03:25:14,560
3 minutes.

5657
03:25:14,560 --> 03:25:16,720
Come to the front and

5658
03:25:16,720 --> 03:25:18,600
say your name.

5659
03:25:18,600 --> 03:25:20,640
Speak only once.

5660
03:25:20,640 --> 03:25:23,280
Be nice.

5661
03:25:23,280 --> 03:25:25,080
That's pretty much it.

5662
03:25:25,080 --> 03:25:26,840
Anyone would anyone like to comment on

5663
03:25:26,840 --> 03:25:29,470
this?

5664
03:25:29,480 --> 03:25:32,120
Okay, we'll close public hearing.

5665
03:25:32,120 --> 03:25:36,710
All right, now I'd entertain a motion.

5666
03:25:36,720 --> 03:25:38,280
» We don't have any discussion.

5667
03:25:38,280 --> 03:25:40,840
>> Any discussion on this?

5668
03:25:40,840 --> 03:25:45,760
>> I'll make one very brief comment.

5669
03:25:45,760 --> 03:25:47,080
We have to be compliant. I'll probably

5670
03:25:47,080 --> 03:25:48,200
support this because we have to be

5671
03:25:48,200 --> 03:25:49,480
compliant.

5672
03:25:49,480 --> 03:25:51,120
I think more parking is better. We are a

5673
03:25:51,120 --> 03:25:53,320
community where everyone drives.

5674
03:25:53,320 --> 03:25:55,000
As much as you know, maybe that's not

5675
03:25:55,000 --> 03:25:56,080
the most ideal thing. So it always

5676
03:25:56,080 --> 03:25:57,480
frustrates me when we lower these

5677
03:25:57,480 --> 03:25:59,640
requirements, but it is what the state

5678
03:25:59,640 --> 03:26:01,320
requires. So.

5679
03:26:01,320 --> 03:26:02,840
>> Kind of sort of makes sense to me if

5680
03:26:02,840 --> 03:26:07,240
it's like 650. Yeah. feet square feet

5681
03:26:07,240 --> 03:26:09,400
>> Yeah, your parking

5682
03:26:09,400 --> 03:26:11,760
two parking stalls are as big as the

5683
03:26:11,760 --> 03:26:12,360
dwelling.

5684
03:26:12,360 --> 03:26:12,960
>> Yeah.

5685
03:26:12,960 --> 03:26:15,120
>> I guess that's true. So.

5686
03:26:15,120 --> 03:26:19,040
>> Okay. All right, I'd entertain a motion.

5687
03:26:19,040 --> 03:26:20,520
>> Is this a recommendation?

5688
03:26:20,520 --> 03:26:21,160
>> Oh.

5689
03:26:21,160 --> 03:26:21,880
>> It is.

5690
03:26:21,880 --> 03:26:25,270
>> Oh, yes.

5691
03:26:25,280 --> 03:26:26,680
» I'll make a motion.

5692
03:26:26,680 --> 03:26:29,840
I move to recommend for approval the

5693
03:26:29,840 --> 03:26:33,120
title 15 amendments in relation to

5694
03:26:33,120 --> 03:26:36,400
accessory dwelling unit parking.

5695
03:26:36,400 --> 03:26:37,480
>> I have a motion.

5696
03:26:37,480 --> 03:26:38,240
>> Second.

5697
03:26:38,240 --> 03:26:39,520
>> All in favor? [snorts]

5698
03:26:39,520 --> 03:26:40,280
I.

5699
03:26:40,280 --> 03:26:41,840
Any opposed?

5700
03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:44,120
All right.

5701
03:26:44,120 --> 03:26:46,560
That passes.

5702
03:26:46,560 --> 03:26:48,480
That is

5703
03:26:48,480 --> 03:26:50,280
recommended to the city council. All

5704
03:26:50,280 --> 03:26:52,320
right.

5705
03:26:52,320 --> 03:26:54,800
I'm so excited.

5706
03:26:54,800 --> 03:26:55,960
This is

5707
03:26:55,960 --> 03:27:00,200
about this next item. Our next item is a

5708
03:27:00,200 --> 03:27:03,480
proposed title 15 amendment about data

5709
03:27:03,480 --> 03:27:06,600
center and on on-site power generation

5710
03:27:06,600 --> 03:27:07,840
facilities.

5711
03:27:07,840 --> 03:27:09,240
>> I thought you were just excited to hear

5712
03:27:09,240 --> 03:27:11,440
from the lawyer first.

5713
03:27:11,440 --> 03:27:12,000
>> I am.

5714
03:27:12,000 --> 03:27:13,520
>> It's favorite part. I don't think this

5715
03:27:13,520 --> 03:27:16,080
is just as simple as the last one.

5716
03:27:16,080 --> 03:27:17,960
Maybe not. Um,

5717
03:27:17,960 --> 03:27:20,560
this is a proposed zoning text amendment

5718
03:27:20,560 --> 03:27:24,000
for title 15 related to data center. So,

5719
03:27:24,000 --> 03:27:25,640
there's a company named Volition

5720
03:27:25,640 --> 03:27:27,920
Industries who wants to put a data

5721
03:27:27,920 --> 03:27:29,560
center inside of Spanish Fork City in

5722
03:27:29,560 --> 03:27:31,240
order to do that, there needs to be

5723
03:27:31,240 --> 03:27:34,240
amendments to title 15

5724
03:27:34,240 --> 03:27:35,920
um in order to allow them to do that.

5725
03:27:35,920 --> 03:27:37,560
Volition's not the first data center

5726
03:27:37,560 --> 03:27:39,320
that's tried to come into the city.

5727
03:27:39,320 --> 03:27:41,280
They're the first company that's made it

5728
03:27:41,280 --> 03:27:43,840
this far. The others have been deterred

5729
03:27:43,840 --> 03:27:46,160
for one reason or another um

5730
03:27:46,160 --> 03:27:47,720
with the process and and with their

5731
03:27:47,720 --> 03:27:48,920
options or or

5732
03:27:48,920 --> 03:27:51,280
what they were trying to propose. This

5733
03:27:51,280 --> 03:27:53,320
company has um gone a little bit further

5734
03:27:53,320 --> 03:27:56,480
with respect to all of those aspects and

5735
03:27:56,480 --> 03:27:58,040
um they've actually prepared and

5736
03:27:58,040 --> 03:27:59,440
submitted

5737
03:27:59,440 --> 03:28:00,440
um

5738
03:28:00,440 --> 03:28:02,760
proposed amendments to our code. There's

5739
03:28:02,760 --> 03:28:04,200
three different sections where this

5740
03:28:04,200 --> 03:28:06,680
comes. Based off of their submission, we

5741
03:28:06,680 --> 03:28:09,640
then took their proposal and we've added

5742
03:28:09,640 --> 03:28:10,920
through that. We went through all of

5743
03:28:10,920 --> 03:28:13,360
those details. We looked through um what

5744
03:28:13,360 --> 03:28:16,160
we thought made sense. And so, you can

5745
03:28:16,160 --> 03:28:18,240
see as this is up there in front of you

5746
03:28:18,240 --> 03:28:20,200
on the screen, anything that's there in

5747
03:28:20,200 --> 03:28:23,520
blue is their amendment. And as we

5748
03:28:23,520 --> 03:28:24,920
scroll through some of these amendments,

5749
03:28:24,920 --> 03:28:26,920
you'll see the red. Those were changes

5750
03:28:26,920 --> 03:28:29,600
that we made with respect to their

5751
03:28:29,600 --> 03:28:31,080
proposal. So, the first thing is

5752
03:28:31,080 --> 03:28:33,240
definitions. There's five definitions

5753
03:28:33,240 --> 03:28:35,560
that are key when it comes to a data

5754
03:28:35,560 --> 03:28:38,280
center um that Volition is uh

5755
03:28:38,280 --> 03:28:40,960
recommending or proposing

5756
03:28:40,960 --> 03:28:43,080
and that uh our code would need to

5757
03:28:43,080 --> 03:28:45,520
change in order to allow. And we have

5758
03:28:45,520 --> 03:28:46,800
gone through these definitions in the

5759
03:28:46,800 --> 03:28:49,160
sorry, there's four of them and all of

5760
03:28:49,160 --> 03:28:53,200
them are um important with respect to

5761
03:28:53,200 --> 03:28:55,320
um what their proposal is. So,

5762
03:28:55,320 --> 03:28:57,040
the key I mean, we've got a data center

5763
03:28:57,040 --> 03:29:00,120
that's there um defined, but with these

5764
03:29:00,120 --> 03:29:01,840
data centers that we're talking about,

5765
03:29:01,840 --> 03:29:04,440
there's two um important aspects.

5766
03:29:04,440 --> 03:29:06,840
There's this energy storage system.

5767
03:29:06,840 --> 03:29:08,760
There's an ultra-low emission generation

5768
03:29:08,760 --> 03:29:11,600
technology and onsite power generation

5769
03:29:11,600 --> 03:29:13,360
facility. So, essentially, their

5770
03:29:13,360 --> 03:29:15,760
proposal is that all of the power be

5771
03:29:15,760 --> 03:29:17,680
generated onsite.

5772
03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:20,840
Um that they not connect to our grid

5773
03:29:20,840 --> 03:29:22,280
essentially at all.

5774
03:29:22,280 --> 03:29:26,520
And so, um these these definitions are

5775
03:29:26,520 --> 03:29:28,720
what make sure that they follow through

5776
03:29:28,720 --> 03:29:30,440
with that, right? That they're If we

5777
03:29:30,440 --> 03:29:34,080
allow this as they're proposing, then they wouldn't

5778
03:29:34,080 --> 03:29:35,840
be connected to our grid for any of that

5779
03:29:35,840 --> 03:29:39,200
data system. And then, um So, those are

5780
03:29:39,200 --> 03:29:40,800
the definitions. Then, we move to the

5781
03:29:40,800 --> 03:29:42,360
second section, which is the It's the

5782
03:29:42,360 --> 03:29:44,680
light industrial zone. And of course,

5783
03:29:44,680 --> 03:29:46,720
with zoning uses, we have permitted

5784
03:29:46,720 --> 03:29:49,440
uses, we have conditional uses, and we

5785
03:29:49,440 --> 03:29:52,640
have uses subject to conditions. Their

5786
03:29:52,640 --> 03:29:54,200
proposal was that they would have a

5787
03:29:54,200 --> 03:29:55,880
conditional use permit.

5788
03:29:55,880 --> 03:29:57,560
Um our

5789
03:29:57,560 --> 03:29:59,320
changes are that these would be uses

5790
03:29:59,320 --> 03:30:01,640
subject to conditions. And that way, we

5791
03:30:01,640 --> 03:30:04,480
outline those conditions beforehand so

5792
03:30:04,480 --> 03:30:06,920
that they're not arbitrary and it's not

5793
03:30:06,920 --> 03:30:08,640
um on a whim every time that somebody

5794
03:30:08,640 --> 03:30:10,280
tries to come and do that. But, we limit

5795
03:30:10,280 --> 03:30:12,320
those conditions to very specific

5796
03:30:12,320 --> 03:30:13,840
things. And if they meet those

5797
03:30:13,840 --> 03:30:15,760
conditions, then they could be allowed

5798
03:30:15,760 --> 03:30:17,800
to have a data center inside of the

5799
03:30:17,800 --> 03:30:20,560
city. So, there's two uses there you can

5800
03:30:20,560 --> 03:30:22,720
see that would be subject to uses

5801
03:30:22,720 --> 03:30:24,160
subject to conditions. That's a data

5802
03:30:24,160 --> 03:30:26,280
center with onsite power generation

5803
03:30:26,280 --> 03:30:27,920
facility

5804
03:30:27,920 --> 03:30:30,480
and an onsite power generation facility

5805
03:30:30,480 --> 03:30:33,040
that wasn't a data center. So, any kind

5806
03:30:33,040 --> 03:30:35,000
of data center that doesn't have their

5807
03:30:35,000 --> 03:30:37,360
own onsite power generation facility

5808
03:30:37,360 --> 03:30:38,760
doesn't meet that definition would not

5809
03:30:38,760 --> 03:30:41,320
be allowed inside of the city under this

5810
03:30:41,320 --> 03:30:44,070
proposal.

5811
03:30:44,080 --> 03:30:46,440
Any questions about that?

5812
03:30:46,440 --> 03:30:48,000
Uses subject to conditions. And then,

5813
03:30:48,000 --> 03:30:50,560
the third one are these regulations. And

5814
03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:51,960
you can look through

5815
03:30:51,960 --> 03:30:53,400
those regulations. Hopefully, you've

5816
03:30:53,400 --> 03:30:54,640
been through some of those, but this is

5817
03:30:54,640 --> 03:30:56,840
all related to onsite power generation

5818
03:30:56,840 --> 03:30:58,160
facilities.

5819
03:30:58,160 --> 03:31:00,680
It talks about the purpose.

5820
03:31:00,680 --> 03:31:03,200
Um where these apply. It's in the I-1

5821
03:31:03,200 --> 03:31:04,440
zone.

5822
03:31:04,440 --> 03:31:07,040
Um the technology that's related. Um

5823
03:31:07,040 --> 03:31:09,320
that really relates to the emission

5824
03:31:09,320 --> 03:31:11,120
generation, the ultra-low emission

5825
03:31:11,120 --> 03:31:13,040
generation technology.

5826
03:31:13,040 --> 03:31:13,880
Um

5827
03:31:13,880 --> 03:31:15,960
>> I I have a question. Is it okay?

5828
03:31:15,960 --> 03:31:16,840
>> Sure.

5829
03:31:16,840 --> 03:31:17,960
I may not be able to answer some of

5830
03:31:17,960 --> 03:31:19,520
these questions may have to go to the

5831
03:31:19,520 --> 03:31:21,080
applicant, but you can ask me and I'll

5832
03:31:21,080 --> 03:31:21,560
tell you.

5833
03:31:21,560 --> 03:31:23,000
>> Okay.

5834
03:31:23,000 --> 03:31:25,280
We did specify ultra-low emissions

5835
03:31:25,280 --> 03:31:28,560
technology. If for some reason that's

5836
03:31:28,560 --> 03:31:33,120
not employed, do we restrict non-

5837
03:31:33,120 --> 03:31:34,280
ultra-low [clears throat]

5838
03:31:34,280 --> 03:31:35,960
emissions technology? I'm I'm going to

5839
03:31:35,960 --> 03:31:37,280
be specific with something I'm thinking.

5840
03:31:37,280 --> 03:31:39,040
If for some reason we have to they're

5841
03:31:39,040 --> 03:31:40,960
unable to power it at the capacity

5842
03:31:40,960 --> 03:31:42,640
they're looking at, they want to roll in

5843
03:31:42,640 --> 03:31:45,080
a a diesel generator. Which can provide

5844
03:31:45,080 --> 03:31:46,280
the power.

5845
03:31:46,280 --> 03:31:48,600
Are we explicitly restricting that?

5846
03:31:48,600 --> 03:31:50,760
>> It is excluded. If it isn't not if it is

5847
03:31:50,760 --> 03:31:52,400
not ultra-low emission generation

5848
03:31:52,400 --> 03:31:54,240
technology, it's not allowed.

5849
03:31:54,240 --> 03:31:56,440
>> Okay. And so so based on basically our

5850
03:31:56,440 --> 03:31:58,000
definition of what ultra-low, which

5851
03:31:58,000 --> 03:32:00,640
looks like it aligns up with what uh

5852
03:32:00,640 --> 03:32:02,600
what we're getting from uh what's in the

5853
03:32:02,600 --> 03:32:03,280
proposal.

5854
03:32:03,280 --> 03:32:04,920
>> Right. So based off the definition,

5855
03:32:04,920 --> 03:32:06,720
based off of what's in our code, and

5856
03:32:06,720 --> 03:32:07,960
it's my understanding that they're even

5857
03:32:07,960 --> 03:32:09,160
potentially going to enter into a

5858
03:32:09,160 --> 03:32:11,520
development agreement to agree to all of

5859
03:32:11,520 --> 03:32:12,560
these things as well. So we'll have a

5860
03:32:12,560 --> 03:32:15,040
contractual agreement potentially with

5861
03:32:15,040 --> 03:32:16,920
them that if they don't follow through,

5862
03:32:16,920 --> 03:32:18,840
we have contractual remedies that are a

5863
03:32:18,840 --> 03:32:21,600
lot easier to enforce than

5864
03:32:21,600 --> 03:32:24,160
um code violations, so to speak. So

5865
03:32:24,160 --> 03:32:24,840
>> Yeah, and and I I

5866
03:32:24,840 --> 03:32:26,080
>> I think the I understand the applicants

5867
03:32:26,080 --> 03:32:27,320
can speak to that, but

5868
03:32:27,320 --> 03:32:28,680
>> Well, and we'll ask about that. I I

5869
03:32:28,680 --> 03:32:31,000
think the reason I bring that comment is

5870
03:32:31,000 --> 03:32:33,120
there is there are all sorts of supply

5871
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:34,240
chain issues when it comes to data

5872
03:32:34,240 --> 03:32:35,280
centers.

5873
03:32:35,280 --> 03:32:37,400
And sometimes, you know,

5874
03:32:37,400 --> 03:32:40,480
certain hardware cannot be obtained. And

5875
03:32:40,480 --> 03:32:42,160
there's competition for that at all

5876
03:32:42,160 --> 03:32:45,160
levels. And so that is sort of a stopgap

5877
03:32:45,160 --> 03:32:46,840
that I think is materially different

5878
03:32:46,840 --> 03:32:48,600
from what's being presented here. and I

5879
03:32:48,600 --> 03:32:49,640
just want to make sure that we're we're

5880
03:32:49,640 --> 03:32:51,040
clear on that language.

5881
03:32:51,040 --> 03:32:52,600
>> That makes sense to me. I don't know

5882
03:32:52,600 --> 03:32:54,240
anything about the supply chain of all

5883
03:32:54,240 --> 03:32:55,240
of these data centers.

5884
03:32:55,240 --> 03:32:57,000
>> Yeah, if you wonder why anything

5885
03:32:57,000 --> 03:32:59,000
electronic is so expensive.

5886
03:32:59,000 --> 03:32:59,880
>> Sure.

5887
03:32:59,880 --> 03:33:01,240
It makes sense, like you said.

5888
03:33:01,240 --> 03:33:02,120
>> Yeah.

5889
03:33:02,120 --> 03:33:03,240
>> Um

5890
03:33:03,240 --> 03:33:04,480
and then a few of the other things that

5891
03:33:04,480 --> 03:33:06,720
are included in these conditions, again,

5892
03:33:06,720 --> 03:33:08,200
electrical isolation, they're not going

5893
03:33:08,200 --> 03:33:10,240
to be connected to the grid. Um of

5894
03:33:10,240 --> 03:33:11,160
course,

5895
03:33:11,160 --> 03:33:13,120
we they could choose to connect just

5896
03:33:13,120 --> 03:33:14,800
their office and maintenance custodial

5897
03:33:14,800 --> 03:33:17,120
staff. We added that in in case they

5898
03:33:17,120 --> 03:33:18,960
wanted to, but everything else is for

5899
03:33:18,960 --> 03:33:20,320
the data center

5900
03:33:20,320 --> 03:33:22,840
um energy um production, it's completely

5901
03:33:22,840 --> 03:33:25,520
separate from the grid. There's um

5902
03:33:25,520 --> 03:33:27,640
conditions here related to noise,

5903
03:33:27,640 --> 03:33:29,920
related to air quality, to related to

5904
03:33:29,920 --> 03:33:32,120
setback screening and height,

5905
03:33:32,120 --> 03:33:33,840
even related to the water use, waste

5906
03:33:33,840 --> 03:33:35,760
water discharge,

5907
03:33:35,760 --> 03:33:37,120
even once they're finished, the

5908
03:33:37,120 --> 03:33:38,680
decommissioning, right? What happens

5909
03:33:38,680 --> 03:33:40,880
after they're all the way done? There's

5910
03:33:40,880 --> 03:33:41,840
um

5911
03:33:41,840 --> 03:33:44,160
conditions here that are in force or in

5912
03:33:44,160 --> 03:33:46,320
effective under this proposal and then

5913
03:33:46,320 --> 03:33:48,200
everything else is based off the other

5914
03:33:48,200 --> 03:33:49,120
codes that we have.

5915
03:33:49,120 --> 03:33:50,280
>> ask a question?

5916
03:33:50,280 --> 03:33:51,200
>> Sure.

5917
03:33:51,200 --> 03:33:55,360
>> Um and I am sure that this has been

5918
03:33:55,360 --> 03:33:58,480
asked, but on number five, with the

5919
03:33:58,480 --> 03:34:01,480
electrical isolation, with the red

5920
03:34:01,480 --> 03:34:03,120
text that says ordinary office

5921
03:34:03,120 --> 03:34:05,440
maintenance custodial other portions,

5922
03:34:05,440 --> 03:34:07,280
um is there any way to use that as a

5923
03:34:07,280 --> 03:34:09,560
loophole to

5924
03:34:09,560 --> 03:34:10,920
>> No, so it's my understanding that this

5925
03:34:10,920 --> 03:34:13,000
would the city would require them to

5926
03:34:13,000 --> 03:34:15,480
produce their system

5927
03:34:15,480 --> 03:34:17,880
um plans and that would show a

5928
03:34:17,880 --> 03:34:19,520
separation between the two, that there's

5929
03:34:19,520 --> 03:34:20,640
no way there would be any kind of

5930
03:34:20,640 --> 03:34:24,080
crossover between what the city is

5931
03:34:24,080 --> 03:34:26,560
providing to these minimal things, the

5932
03:34:26,560 --> 03:34:28,720
office maintenance custodial, similar

5933
03:34:28,720 --> 03:34:30,600
portions of facility versus the data

5934
03:34:30,600 --> 03:34:31,800
generation. And so they would have to

5935
03:34:31,800 --> 03:34:33,600
have if they want to connect to the city

5936
03:34:33,600 --> 03:34:34,640
grid for those things, there would be a

5937
03:34:34,640 --> 03:34:36,560
total separation between there would be

5938
03:34:36,560 --> 03:34:38,440
no crossover, I guess, between the two.

5939
03:34:38,440 --> 03:34:39,440
That's my understanding what we'd

5940
03:34:39,440 --> 03:34:40,280
require

5941
03:34:40,280 --> 03:34:40,840
>> Thank you.

5942
03:34:40,840 --> 03:34:42,680
>> under this code.

5943
03:34:42,680 --> 03:34:43,960
And that way they'd be paying for city

5944
03:34:43,960 --> 03:34:45,080
power

5945
03:34:45,080 --> 03:34:47,360
for the limited portion if they if they

5946
03:34:47,360 --> 03:34:48,600
wanted to do that, right?

5947
03:34:48,600 --> 03:34:50,360
>> Okay.

5948
03:34:50,360 --> 03:34:52,880
>> Um and then of course the last one is

5949
03:34:52,880 --> 03:34:55,440
sort of the catch all which is um

5950
03:34:55,440 --> 03:34:57,080
all the other all the other code

5951
03:34:57,080 --> 03:34:58,600
sections in the city

5952
03:34:58,600 --> 03:35:02,760
um still apply, right? And so unless it's trumped by these things. So

5953
03:35:02,760 --> 03:35:04,080
>> Oh, one more question on the last

5954
03:35:04,080 --> 03:35:06,360
section with waste water discharge.

5955
03:35:06,360 --> 03:35:07,560
I know we're talking in the proposal

5956
03:35:07,560 --> 03:35:09,400
about having a closed loop cooling

5957
03:35:09,400 --> 03:35:10,080
system.

5958
03:35:10,080 --> 03:35:10,480
>> Right.

5959
03:35:10,480 --> 03:35:12,920
>> Um listen last night of of Hundex and

5960
03:35:12,920 --> 03:35:13,840
they said you know if there's any

5961
03:35:13,840 --> 03:35:15,200
concern, you know, there's there's

5962
03:35:15,200 --> 03:35:16,680
certain

5963
03:35:16,680 --> 03:35:18,480
it would not necessarily be discharged

5964
03:35:18,480 --> 03:35:21,320
into the city water supply. Is that is

5965
03:35:21,320 --> 03:35:22,520
that excluded here cuz it actually

5966
03:35:22,520 --> 03:35:27,910
sounds like it's not excluded here?

5967
03:35:27,920 --> 03:35:29,920
» So

5968
03:35:29,920 --> 03:35:31,880
I it's my understanding based off of

5969
03:35:31,880 --> 03:35:34,440
this code that they

5970
03:35:34,440 --> 03:35:35,800
that it is possible that they would

5971
03:35:35,800 --> 03:35:37,480
discharge to the public sewer system but

5972
03:35:37,480 --> 03:35:39,440
if they did, they have to comply with

5973
03:35:39,440 --> 03:35:42,440
the city's every other pre-treatment

5974
03:35:42,440 --> 03:35:43,600
aspects under the code.

5975
03:35:43,600 --> 03:35:45,280
>> So they do have So So as it's written

5976
03:35:45,280 --> 03:35:49,520
they have the option to discharge in our sewer the the public sewer.

5977
03:35:49,520 --> 03:35:51,600
>> Under these conditions that yes, there's

5978
03:35:51,600 --> 03:35:53,280
not a condition that restricts so that

5979
03:35:53,280 --> 03:35:55,640
no discharge is made into a waste

5980
03:35:55,640 --> 03:35:58,510
>> Okay.

5981
03:35:58,520 --> 03:36:00,720
» Um

5982
03:36:00,720 --> 03:36:03,880
Yeah, so those are the conditions that

5983
03:36:03,880 --> 03:36:05,880
data center would have to follow if they

5984
03:36:05,880 --> 03:36:07,200
met all of those conditions in the

5985
03:36:07,200 --> 03:36:08,440
proposal

5986
03:36:08,440 --> 03:36:10,200
um and we passed this then they would be

5987
03:36:10,200 --> 03:36:11,920
entitled to

5988
03:36:11,920 --> 03:36:14,080
approval or that would be a permitted

5989
03:36:14,080 --> 03:36:15,699
use inside of the I1 zone

5990
03:36:15,699 --> 03:36:17,920
[clears throat] and in the I1 zone only.

5991
03:36:17,920 --> 03:36:20,120
>> How would that be monitored the

5992
03:36:20,120 --> 03:36:21,560
waste water discharge? How would we

5993
03:36:21,560 --> 03:36:23,240
monitor that? How would the city monitor

5994
03:36:23,240 --> 03:36:25,440
that? Is do they have a way?

5995
03:36:25,440 --> 03:36:27,200
>> I'm not an expert in waste water

5996
03:36:27,200 --> 03:36:29,080
management. Maybe Byron would know how

5997
03:36:29,080 --> 03:36:31,760
we would monitor that.

5998
03:36:31,760 --> 03:36:34,640
>> As far as flow, you'd have to

5999
03:36:34,640 --> 03:36:37,440
put a specific

6000
03:36:37,440 --> 03:36:39,240
flow meter in there which we typically

6001
03:36:39,240 --> 03:36:41,240
don't do, but as far as testing and

6002
03:36:41,240 --> 03:36:42,360
stuff

6003
03:36:42,360 --> 03:36:44,120
the pre-treatment usually has a sampling

6004
03:36:44,120 --> 03:36:45,560
manhole where you can go down and

6005
03:36:45,560 --> 03:36:46,960
sample.

6006
03:36:46,960 --> 03:36:48,480
Um so

6007
03:36:48,480 --> 03:36:50,800
we would have the capability of

6008
03:36:50,800 --> 03:36:53,600
taking samples as often as we felt like

6009
03:36:53,600 --> 03:36:55,000
we wanted to.

6010
03:36:55,000 --> 03:36:57,360
Flow, if we were extremely concerned

6011
03:36:57,360 --> 03:36:59,280
about that, there are

6012
03:36:59,280 --> 03:37:01,040
flow meters you can put in there. It's

6013
03:37:01,040 --> 03:37:02,800
not typical, but

6014
03:37:02,800 --> 03:37:03,960
um

6015
03:37:03,960 --> 03:37:06,240
it's possible.

6016
03:37:06,240 --> 03:37:07,920
>> You can trace

6017
03:37:07,920 --> 03:37:10,520
illicit discharges, right? Like through

6018
03:37:10,520 --> 03:37:11,800
the system, that type of thing. I

6019
03:37:11,800 --> 03:37:14,120
understood that

6020
03:37:14,120 --> 03:37:15,920
you could track somebody down if they

6021
03:37:15,920 --> 03:37:17,120
were like if

6022
03:37:17,120 --> 03:37:19,040
>> certain chemicals were in the water when

6023
03:37:19,040 --> 03:37:20,240
it hit the plant.

6024
03:37:20,240 --> 03:37:21,800
>> we go to those sampling manholes and

6025
03:37:21,800 --> 03:37:23,720
sample them and see what's in there.

6026
03:37:23,720 --> 03:37:24,400
Yeah.

6027
03:37:24,400 --> 03:37:25,240
>> Okay.

6028
03:37:25,240 --> 03:37:27,280
But to my understanding, there's not

6029
03:37:27,280 --> 03:37:31,430
going to be a lot of discharge, right?

6030
03:37:31,440 --> 03:37:33,360
» That's a great question to ask the

6031
03:37:33,360 --> 03:37:35,440
applicant, I think.

6032
03:37:35,440 --> 03:37:39,110
So.

6033
03:37:39,120 --> 03:37:40,920
» So that's the proposal with respect to

6034
03:37:40,920 --> 03:37:42,280
the Title 15 amendments. Are there any

6035
03:37:42,280 --> 03:37:43,400
other

6036
03:37:43,400 --> 03:37:44,780
question for me?

6037
03:37:44,780 --> 03:37:45,240
>> [clears throat]

6038
03:37:45,240 --> 03:37:48,080
>> Um I won't maybe an ex- I know you asked

6039
03:37:48,080 --> 03:37:49,080
for the question before I didn't ask

6040
03:37:49,080 --> 03:37:51,440
this. If you're moving from, you know,

6041
03:37:51,440 --> 03:37:53,200
conditional use permit to, you know,

6042
03:37:53,200 --> 03:37:54,320
basically if you you meet these

6043
03:37:54,320 --> 03:37:56,560
conditions, that basically says this

6044
03:37:56,560 --> 03:37:58,560
applicant, any other applicant, as long

6045
03:37:58,560 --> 03:37:59,600
as they meet all those conditions, we

6046
03:37:59,600 --> 03:38:00,880
wouldn't have any public hearing or

6047
03:38:00,880 --> 03:38:02,160
anything like that. It would essentially

6048
03:38:02,160 --> 03:38:04,560
be an administrative action, no

6049
03:38:04,560 --> 03:38:06,040
requirement from a legislative

6050
03:38:06,040 --> 03:38:08,520
perspective, no planning commission that

6051
03:38:08,520 --> 03:38:09,680
would actually comment on. Is that

6052
03:38:09,680 --> 03:38:10,240
correct?

6053
03:38:10,240 --> 03:38:11,560
>> That's correct.

6054
03:38:11,560 --> 03:38:12,440
Yeah.

6055
03:38:12,440 --> 03:38:15,840
>> And why would you do that when that can

6056
03:38:15,840 --> 03:38:16,560
uh

6057
03:38:16,560 --> 03:38:19,000
conditional use rather than subject to

6058
03:38:19,000 --> 03:38:20,000
conditions?

6059
03:38:20,000 --> 03:38:22,880
>> So it's legally you're in a much better

6060
03:38:22,880 --> 03:38:26,240
position to defend the decision when you

6061
03:38:26,240 --> 03:38:28,840
have the conditions outlined beforehand,

6062
03:38:28,840 --> 03:38:30,720
all set out directly like these ones

6063
03:38:30,720 --> 03:38:34,640
are, versus having a planning commission

6064
03:38:34,640 --> 03:38:36,560
review and come up with their conditions

6065
03:38:36,560 --> 03:38:37,680
sort of

6066
03:38:37,680 --> 03:38:39,960
>> arbitrarily I didn't want to say that,

6067
03:38:39,960 --> 03:38:41,560
but yeah, arbitrarily compared to these

6068
03:38:41,560 --> 03:38:43,400
conditions that are in place. So, it's

6069
03:38:43,400 --> 03:38:44,720
best if we come up with the conditions

6070
03:38:44,720 --> 03:38:46,680
beforehand, set them out just like we do

6071
03:38:46,680 --> 03:38:48,960
in many many other instances in our

6072
03:38:48,960 --> 03:38:50,400
code, right? We have uses subject to

6073
03:38:50,400 --> 03:38:52,480
conditions where we set out all those

6074
03:38:52,480 --> 03:38:54,680
conditions beforehand and we keep those

6075
03:38:54,680 --> 03:38:56,720
conditions pretty tight. Right? In my

6076
03:38:56,720 --> 03:38:58,880
mind, these conditions are very tight.

6077
03:38:58,880 --> 03:39:00,800
Um and there are review of those things.

6078
03:39:00,800 --> 03:39:02,760
We tried to keep it that way so that it

6079
03:39:02,760 --> 03:39:04,440
would it was very limited in what could

6080
03:39:04,440 --> 03:39:06,520
ever come in in terms of data center.

6081
03:39:06,520 --> 03:39:07,600
But,

6082
03:39:07,600 --> 03:39:08,920
the idea is you keep those conditions

6083
03:39:08,920 --> 03:39:11,040
tight and defensible and so you're on a

6084
03:39:11,040 --> 03:39:12,880
good foundation if you were ever to try

6085
03:39:12,880 --> 03:39:15,040
to deny someone

6086
03:39:15,040 --> 03:39:16,440
a um

6087
03:39:16,440 --> 03:39:18,560
who is applying to put a data center in.

6088
03:39:18,560 --> 03:39:20,080
If you have a conditional use permit and

6089
03:39:20,080 --> 03:39:22,040
it comes before the planning commission

6090
03:39:22,040 --> 03:39:23,360
and you come up with any kind of

6091
03:39:23,360 --> 03:39:26,200
condition that is not defensible or is a

6092
03:39:26,200 --> 03:39:27,960
little arbitrary,

6093
03:39:27,960 --> 03:39:29,160
uh where you find ourselves in the

6094
03:39:29,160 --> 03:39:30,360
middle of a lawsuit.

6095
03:39:30,360 --> 03:39:31,120
>> Got you.

6096
03:39:31,120 --> 03:39:33,080
>> That makes sense. I appreciate that.

6097
03:39:33,080 --> 03:39:34,120
>> that we don't trust the planning

6098
03:39:34,120 --> 03:39:35,520
commission at all. We do and we

6099
03:39:35,520 --> 03:39:36,360
appreciate your input.

6100
03:39:36,360 --> 03:39:38,240
>> But, we're not professionals.

6101
03:39:38,240 --> 03:39:40,080
>> But, when it comes to defending

6102
03:39:40,080 --> 03:39:41,960
that sort of foundational position,

6103
03:39:41,960 --> 03:39:43,120
we're in a we're in a better legal

6104
03:39:43,120 --> 03:39:45,120
position if we do uses subject to

6105
03:39:45,120 --> 03:39:45,480
condition.

6106
03:39:45,480 --> 03:39:48,040
>> With something like this that's I'm that

6107
03:39:48,040 --> 03:39:50,000
sounds like it's an important thing to

6108
03:39:50,000 --> 03:39:50,520
do.

6109
03:39:50,520 --> 03:39:51,240
>> Well, that's what we

6110
03:39:51,240 --> 03:39:54,280
>> I It also this these I mean, this seems

6111
03:39:54,280 --> 03:39:55,880
like these

6112
03:39:55,880 --> 03:39:57,880
it seems like this is really working to

6113
03:39:57,880 --> 03:40:00,160
protect the citizens of Spanish Fork

6114
03:40:00,160 --> 03:40:03,120
from

6115
03:40:03,120 --> 03:40:05,040
big impacts of

6116
03:40:05,040 --> 03:40:06,440
>> That's the goal. So, the the applicant

6117
03:40:06,440 --> 03:40:08,760
can address the impact that he that they

6118
03:40:08,760 --> 03:40:11,000
anticipate having better than I can, but

6119
03:40:11,000 --> 03:40:12,560
it's our understanding based off of what

6120
03:40:12,560 --> 03:40:14,000
we studied with respect to this data

6121
03:40:14,000 --> 03:40:15,920
center and their proposal is that they

6122
03:40:15,920 --> 03:40:17,440
have a very

6123
03:40:17,440 --> 03:40:18,640
It's our understanding that the impact

6124
03:40:18,640 --> 03:40:20,000
is quite small.

6125
03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:21,640
There's no no effect on the grid, the

6126
03:40:21,640 --> 03:40:25,040
power grid. The water is minimal. Um he

6127
03:40:25,040 --> 03:40:26,840
and I can address exactly what that is.

6128
03:40:26,840 --> 03:40:28,280
And the emissions are ultra low

6129
03:40:28,280 --> 03:40:29,520
emissions. That's the standard that

6130
03:40:29,520 --> 03:40:31,040
they're going to follow. So,

6131
03:40:31,040 --> 03:40:31,680
um

6132
03:40:31,680 --> 03:40:33,120
>> I would I would want to I'm going to ask

6133
03:40:33,120 --> 03:40:37,840
one thing. In terms of power limits We basically said any power limit is

6134
03:40:37,840 --> 03:40:40,120
acceptable based on on conditions. Is

6135
03:40:40,120 --> 03:40:41,880
that correct?

6136
03:40:41,880 --> 03:40:43,480
As long as you're off the grid.

6137
03:40:43,480 --> 03:40:45,160
>> No, so there is a minimum actually

6138
03:40:45,160 --> 03:40:46,240
instead of a maximum.

6139
03:40:46,240 --> 03:40:47,520
>> A minimum of

6140
03:40:47,520 --> 03:40:49,120
>> I want to say it's

6141
03:40:49,120 --> 03:40:50,720
I can't remember the number. I can find

6142
03:40:50,720 --> 03:40:54,110
it though.

6143
03:40:54,120 --> 03:40:57,670
I think it's in red.

6144
03:40:57,680 --> 03:40:58,680
» 50

6145
03:40:58,680 --> 03:41:00,760
>> Generate a minimum of 50 megawatts.

6146
03:41:00,760 --> 03:41:02,040
>> And no maximum?

6147
03:41:02,040 --> 03:41:03,560
>> There's not a maximum listed.

6148
03:41:03,560 --> 03:41:05,280
>> So, it could be

6149
03:41:05,280 --> 03:41:06,760
Well, I guess I'm just answering it. It

6150
03:41:06,760 --> 03:41:07,920
could be any size. It could be a 2

6151
03:41:07,920 --> 03:41:10,720
gigawatt, 4 gigawatt, or whatever as

6152
03:41:10,720 --> 03:41:12,680
long as it was off grid and over 50.

6153
03:41:12,680 --> 03:41:13,840
>> Right.

6154
03:41:13,840 --> 03:41:15,760
Under this current pro- proposal.

6155
03:41:15,760 --> 03:41:17,600
>> I I will have comments later, but I

6156
03:41:17,600 --> 03:41:18,840
think

6157
03:41:18,840 --> 03:41:21,560
even if this is low impact, some limit

6158
03:41:21,560 --> 03:41:24,760
is I think perhaps pertinent here. And I

6159
03:41:24,760 --> 03:41:27,040
think that's a concern I would have. So,

6160
03:41:27,040 --> 03:41:28,440
I'll just note that.

6161
03:41:28,440 --> 03:41:30,840
>> And you can make as you So, then I guess

6162
03:41:30,840 --> 03:41:32,440
next steps, if you're done with

6163
03:41:32,440 --> 03:41:34,240
questions for me, then the applicant

6164
03:41:34,240 --> 03:41:35,640
would come up. They need to have a

6165
03:41:35,640 --> 03:41:36,920
public hearing.

6166
03:41:36,920 --> 03:41:39,080
And then um you're on discussion and

6167
03:41:39,080 --> 03:41:41,600
then make a recommendation.

6168
03:41:41,600 --> 03:41:44,240
Whatever your recommendation is for the city council.

6169
03:41:44,240 --> 03:41:46,320
>> Council. Okay.

6170
03:41:46,320 --> 03:41:53,018
Thank [clears throat] you very much.

6171
03:41:53,028 --> 03:41:58,630
» [snorts]

6172
03:41:58,640 --> 03:42:00,120
» Quick introduction.

6173
03:42:00,120 --> 03:42:01,520
So,

6174
03:42:01,520 --> 03:42:03,880
maybe even a warm up. Uh first of all, I

6175
03:42:03,880 --> 03:42:06,640
really really appreciate the work that

6176
03:42:06,640 --> 03:42:09,000
our legal department has put into this

6177
03:42:09,000 --> 03:42:11,960
particular issue. Uh quick high-level

6178
03:42:11,960 --> 03:42:13,440
observation.

6179
03:42:13,440 --> 03:42:16,280
Um that's the result of having worked uh

6180
03:42:16,280 --> 03:42:18,160
with this particular applicant now for a

6181
03:42:18,160 --> 03:42:20,320
number of different months and having

6182
03:42:20,320 --> 03:42:21,760
been a part of

6183
03:42:21,760 --> 03:42:22,400
uh

6184
03:42:22,400 --> 03:42:24,280
research that's been done by city staff

6185
03:42:24,280 --> 03:42:26,000
on a level that I haven't seen on any

6186
03:42:26,000 --> 03:42:27,360
other

6187
03:42:27,360 --> 03:42:29,600
development related

6188
03:42:29,600 --> 03:42:33,520
type of proposal or issue before.

6189
03:42:33,520 --> 03:42:35,160
Um

6190
03:42:35,160 --> 03:42:36,800
and I'll just leave it at that for now,

6191
03:42:36,800 --> 03:42:37,880
but would be happy to answer any

6192
03:42:37,880 --> 03:42:39,720
questions you might have of me.

6193
03:42:39,720 --> 03:42:41,200
Um

6194
03:42:41,200 --> 03:42:42,560
from my perspective as the zoning

6195
03:42:42,560 --> 03:42:45,590
administrator,

6196
03:42:45,600 --> 03:42:48,600
I also really appreciate this in terms

6197
03:42:48,600 --> 03:42:52,160
of its content, its level of

6198
03:42:52,160 --> 03:42:53,880
specificity

6199
03:42:53,880 --> 03:42:55,520
and detail,

6200
03:42:55,520 --> 03:42:58,160
the fact that the different conditions

6201
03:42:58,160 --> 03:43:00,720
that have to be met before the uses that

6202
03:43:00,720 --> 03:43:02,880
are contemplated here can happen in

6203
03:43:02,880 --> 03:43:04,560
Spanish Fork,

6204
03:43:04,560 --> 03:43:05,280
um

6205
03:43:05,280 --> 03:43:08,520
they're measurable, they can be tracked,

6206
03:43:08,520 --> 03:43:09,920
um

6207
03:43:09,920 --> 03:43:12,560
this is really, really, in my view,

6208
03:43:12,560 --> 03:43:13,720
uh

6209
03:43:13,720 --> 03:43:18,120
well-suited to consistent monitoring and

6210
03:43:18,120 --> 03:43:20,520
administration over time.

6211
03:43:20,520 --> 03:43:22,680
Um

6212
03:43:22,680 --> 03:43:25,240
so, that being said, just

6213
03:43:25,240 --> 03:43:31,080
another maybe thought on this is new zoning language.

6214
03:43:31,080 --> 03:43:33,400
Uh Jeff Chavez is here with us tonight.

6215
03:43:33,400 --> 03:43:36,000
He represents Volition. Uh Jeff, I'll

6216
03:43:36,000 --> 03:43:37,360
just let you jump in, make your

6217
03:43:37,360 --> 03:43:38,680
presentation. If you guys have

6218
03:43:38,680 --> 03:43:41,200
questions, please don't hold back. Uh

6219
03:43:41,200 --> 03:43:42,560
we've peppered [clears throat] Jeff with

6220
03:43:42,560 --> 03:43:44,560
plenty. I think he's very well prepared,

6221
03:43:44,560 --> 03:43:46,080
and if you have any questions tonight

6222
03:43:46,080 --> 03:43:47,200
that

6223
03:43:47,200 --> 03:43:48,840
uh anybody can answer, we certainly can

6224
03:43:48,840 --> 03:43:50,520
track down answers

6225
03:43:50,520 --> 03:43:51,960
to those questions.

6226
03:43:51,960 --> 03:43:55,360
Um so, with that, thank you.

6227
03:43:55,360 --> 03:43:57,760
>> Thank you, Dave.

6228
03:43:57,760 --> 03:43:59,000
Good evening.

6229
03:43:59,000 --> 03:44:01,680
Thank you for having us. Appreciate your

6230
03:44:01,680 --> 03:44:03,680
late nights. I before I got involved in

6231
03:44:03,680 --> 03:44:05,600
some of this, I didn't realize how long

6232
03:44:05,600 --> 03:44:08,040
city council sometimes went, so

6233
03:44:08,040 --> 03:44:09,160
uh

6234
03:44:09,160 --> 03:44:10,160
appreciate the work that you do for

6235
03:44:10,160 --> 03:44:12,080
communities.

6236
03:44:12,080 --> 03:44:15,080
Uh I think that some background is uh

6237
03:44:15,080 --> 03:44:17,640
appropriate, and I think it will add

6238
03:44:17,640 --> 03:44:20,680
some context as you consider

6239
03:44:20,680 --> 03:44:22,840
uh this proposal.

6240
03:44:22,840 --> 03:44:25,160
Um my name is Jeff Chavez. I'm the CEO

6241
03:44:25,160 --> 03:44:28,760
of Volition. We are a 3-year-old company

6242
03:44:28,760 --> 03:44:32,480
kind of 20 years in the making.

6243
03:44:32,480 --> 03:44:34,160
Um

6244
03:44:34,160 --> 03:44:35,280
>> [clears throat]

6245
03:44:35,280 --> 03:44:38,640
>> previously, I was CEO of a company that

6246
03:44:38,640 --> 03:44:40,640
focused on

6247
03:44:40,640 --> 03:44:44,120
uh water conservation, purification,

6248
03:44:44,120 --> 03:44:47,600
and uh clean water generation.

6249
03:44:47,600 --> 03:44:50,240
Um I worked directly with um

6250
03:44:50,240 --> 03:44:52,920
Professor Omar Yaghi from Berkeley, who

6251
03:44:52,920 --> 03:44:55,120
is the world's leading water

6252
03:44:55,120 --> 03:44:56,960
purification and atmospheric water

6253
03:44:56,960 --> 03:45:00,280
generation uh scientist in the world. I

6254
03:45:00,280 --> 03:45:01,800
also [snorts] worked directly with uh

6255
03:45:01,800 --> 03:45:04,720
the University of Limerick in Ireland on

6256
03:45:04,720 --> 03:45:07,440
their uh advanced technologies around

6257
03:45:07,440 --> 03:45:08,800
water. So,

6258
03:45:08,800 --> 03:45:09,880
um

6259
03:45:09,880 --> 03:45:13,760
initially, my work in water conservation

6260
03:45:13,760 --> 03:45:16,520
and water purification,

6261
03:45:16,520 --> 03:45:18,640
um

6262
03:45:18,640 --> 03:45:20,800
we're going back into about 2015 or

6263
03:45:20,800 --> 03:45:22,840
2016.

6264
03:45:22,840 --> 03:45:25,160
It was at that time, for the first time,

6265
03:45:25,160 --> 03:45:27,960
that I began to become aware of the huge

6266
03:45:27,960 --> 03:45:30,640
amounts of water that

6267
03:45:30,640 --> 03:45:33,560
these sort of unknown, large, sprawling

6268
03:45:33,560 --> 03:45:35,200
data centers

6269
03:45:35,200 --> 03:45:38,480
owned by AWS and others were consuming.

6270
03:45:38,480 --> 03:45:41,840
Um at the time, it was under the radar

6271
03:45:41,840 --> 03:45:42,600
um

6272
03:45:42,600 --> 03:45:44,360
because data

6273
03:45:44,360 --> 03:45:48,480
volume was nowhere near where it is now.

6274
03:45:48,480 --> 03:45:52,120
Um I began to understand that millions

6275
03:45:52,120 --> 03:45:55,960
of gallons of water were evaporating

6276
03:45:55,960 --> 03:45:58,720
monthly in these communities. So, this

6277
03:45:58,720 --> 03:46:01,160
was my first kind of

6278
03:46:01,160 --> 03:46:04,640
insight into a real problem problem with

6279
03:46:04,640 --> 03:46:06,360
the way that large data centers,

6280
03:46:06,360 --> 03:46:08,600
hyperscale data centers were being

6281
03:46:08,600 --> 03:46:10,240
built.

6282
03:46:10,240 --> 03:46:12,120
Shortly thereafter,

6283
03:46:12,120 --> 03:46:14,880
I began work in renewable energy, the

6284
03:46:14,880 --> 03:46:17,920
water transition into renewable,

6285
03:46:17,920 --> 03:46:21,040
and began to do a lot of research and

6286
03:46:21,040 --> 03:46:25,480
investing in renewable power generation.

6287
03:46:25,480 --> 03:46:29,840
Wind, solar, and other types of systems.

6288
03:46:29,840 --> 03:46:32,480
In that work,

6289
03:46:32,480 --> 03:46:35,800
I began to get my first glimpse at the

6290
03:46:35,800 --> 03:46:37,640
grid

6291
03:46:37,640 --> 03:46:41,120
restraints and rapidly accelerating

6292
03:46:41,120 --> 03:46:42,760
residential

6293
03:46:42,760 --> 03:46:45,840
utility rates, especially in California

6294
03:46:45,840 --> 03:46:50,760
where it it was moving at 6% a year.

6295
03:46:50,760 --> 03:46:53,440
And we began to understand that

6296
03:46:53,440 --> 03:46:56,080
the upgrade needed to the grid was being

6297
03:46:56,080 --> 03:46:58,920
passed on to consumers.

6298
03:46:58,920 --> 03:47:02,320
And we also started to recognize that

6299
03:47:02,320 --> 03:47:04,360
there was about to be

6300
03:47:04,360 --> 03:47:07,680
a massive increase in request to build

6301
03:47:07,680 --> 03:47:08,920
major

6302
03:47:08,920 --> 03:47:10,640
data centers.

6303
03:47:10,640 --> 03:47:13,960
So, our work initially was on building

6304
03:47:13,960 --> 03:47:16,880
microgrids, so on-site power generation

6305
03:47:16,880 --> 03:47:21,040
systems that could help large industrial

6306
03:47:21,040 --> 03:47:24,120
areas have power on site that would be

6307
03:47:24,120 --> 03:47:26,680
at a lower cost than the utility

6308
03:47:26,680 --> 03:47:29,480
and at a fixed rate so that they could

6309
03:47:29,480 --> 03:47:32,680
have, you know, a better economic

6310
03:47:32,680 --> 03:47:36,120
scenario and so that we could begin to

6311
03:47:36,120 --> 03:47:39,640
create some ease off the grid by

6312
03:47:39,640 --> 03:47:44,120
providing a kind of parallel on-site

6313
03:47:44,120 --> 03:47:46,080
power solution.

6314
03:47:46,080 --> 03:47:47,440
So, I think

6315
03:47:47,440 --> 03:47:48,880
my background [clears throat] has sort

6316
03:47:48,880 --> 03:47:51,680
of prepared me for what we're doing now

6317
03:47:51,680 --> 03:47:54,120
because Volition was

6318
03:47:54,120 --> 03:47:58,360
created for the purpose of solving

6319
03:47:58,360 --> 03:48:03,640
the problems that are now really widely

6320
03:48:03,640 --> 03:48:05,560
visible throughout the US, throughout

6321
03:48:05,560 --> 03:48:06,800
the world.

6322
03:48:06,800 --> 03:48:09,040
When we began 3 years ago, it was

6323
03:48:09,040 --> 03:48:11,920
because we had realized uh that we could

6324
03:48:11,920 --> 03:48:13,240
engineer

6325
03:48:13,240 --> 03:48:17,200
a viable solution to the problems that

6326
03:48:17,200 --> 03:48:19,720
large hyperscale data centers

6327
03:48:19,720 --> 03:48:23,270
uh had created.

6328
03:48:23,280 --> 03:48:30,550
Oh, do I have a

6329
03:48:30,560 --> 03:48:31,960
Oh, to advance?

6330
03:48:31,960 --> 03:48:33,160
>> Clicker.

6331
03:48:33,160 --> 03:48:39,710
>> Oh, clicker. Sorry.

6332
03:48:39,720 --> 03:48:41,520
That's yeah, I can you can just move it

6333
03:48:41,520 --> 03:48:43,120
along for me.

6334
03:48:43,120 --> 03:48:46,320
Um we'll go back one.

6335
03:48:46,320 --> 03:48:47,960
So, um

6336
03:48:47,960 --> 03:48:49,920
oh, thank you.

6337
03:48:49,920 --> 03:48:54,350
Oop.

6338
03:48:54,360 --> 03:48:56,400
So, the primary concerns with data

6339
03:48:56,400 --> 03:48:58,920
centers that we became really aware of

6340
03:48:58,920 --> 03:49:00,640
and now everybody is aware of and I

6341
03:49:00,640 --> 03:49:02,480
think that's a good thing.

6342
03:49:02,480 --> 03:49:04,280
Um

6343
03:49:04,280 --> 03:49:06,080
it's questions around the use of

6344
03:49:06,080 --> 03:49:08,000
electricity,

6345
03:49:08,000 --> 03:49:11,320
water, noise, air quality,

6346
03:49:11,320 --> 03:49:14,960
and uh we have made uh

6347
03:49:14,960 --> 03:49:16,240
from the time that we began an

6348
03:49:16,240 --> 03:49:19,160
initiative to be extremely transparent

6349
03:49:19,160 --> 03:49:22,440
about those problems and how we can

6350
03:49:22,440 --> 03:49:25,880
effectively address those problems. So,

6351
03:49:25,880 --> 03:49:31,720
a big part of our company is um transparency

6352
03:49:31,720 --> 03:49:34,000
and I think Spanish Fork and our

6353
03:49:34,000 --> 03:49:36,360
approach here has

6354
03:49:36,360 --> 03:49:39,960
um been a demonstration of how we're doing that.

6355
03:49:39,960 --> 03:49:41,840
We began working with

6356
03:49:41,840 --> 03:49:44,920
Spanish Fork about maybe 8 months ago um

6357
03:49:44,920 --> 03:49:47,320
in initial conversations. Seems like

6358
03:49:47,320 --> 03:49:50,520
this might not be going to try.

6359
03:49:50,520 --> 03:49:52,760
I think this might be.

6360
03:49:52,760 --> 03:49:53,960
>> Yeah, just taller.

6361
03:49:53,960 --> 03:49:55,600
>> Yeah, so let's so let's stop here for a

6362
03:49:55,600 --> 03:49:56,760
moment.

6363
03:49:56,760 --> 03:49:59,600
Um to that end, we officially kind of

6364
03:49:59,600 --> 03:50:01,840
came out into the marketplace several

6365
03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:05,160
months ago uh and began um just a

6366
03:50:05,160 --> 03:50:07,760
proactive communication with

6367
03:50:07,760 --> 03:50:10,520
Utah County in particular.

6368
03:50:10,520 --> 03:50:12,280
Um

6369
03:50:12,280 --> 03:50:14,880
Let me give you just a quick look at

6370
03:50:14,880 --> 03:50:17,080
some of how we're introducing ourselves

6371
03:50:17,080 --> 03:50:18,720
and then tell you a little bit about the

6372
03:50:18,720 --> 03:50:21,480
feedback we're beginning to get. So, I

6373
03:50:21,480 --> 03:50:22,880
think if you click on that it'll play a

6374
03:50:22,880 --> 03:50:37,830
very short video.

6375
03:50:37,840 --> 03:50:42,000
» We didn't set out to build data centers.

6376
03:50:42,000 --> 03:50:45,080
We began by looking for ways to reduce

6377
03:50:45,080 --> 03:50:47,280
energy costs in communities across

6378
03:50:47,280 --> 03:50:50,190
America.

6379
03:50:50,200 --> 03:50:52,720
We realized soon after

6380
03:50:52,720 --> 03:50:54,440
there was a better way to build data

6381
03:50:54,440 --> 03:50:55,800
centers

6382
03:50:55,800 --> 03:50:58,840
that worked for the community.

6383
03:50:58,840 --> 03:51:02,750
That's our mission.

6384
03:51:02,760 --> 03:51:06,080
We all know that there's no stopping our

6385
03:51:06,080 --> 03:51:08,160
need for additional data. Data centers

6386
03:51:08,160 --> 03:51:09,640
are going to be built whether we're

6387
03:51:09,640 --> 03:51:11,920
comfortable with that or not.

6388
03:51:11,920 --> 03:51:14,160
But growth at all costs can have a

6389
03:51:14,160 --> 03:51:16,760
negative impact on communities.

6390
03:51:16,760 --> 03:51:19,040
Data centers are dramatically stressing

6391
03:51:19,040 --> 03:51:21,760
our grid. In many cases they use huge

6392
03:51:21,760 --> 03:51:23,640
amounts of excess water and most [music]

6393
03:51:23,640 --> 03:51:25,960
of them are not low emission.

6394
03:51:25,960 --> 03:51:28,760
Our data centers are different.

6395
03:51:28,760 --> 03:51:30,560
We don't require a huge amount of land

6396
03:51:30,560 --> 03:51:32,040
and [music] most importantly we never

6397
03:51:32,040 --> 03:51:33,960
touch the electric grid.

6398
03:51:33,960 --> 03:51:37,680
We use no power from the local utility.

6399
03:51:37,680 --> 03:51:39,680
Everything we build is based on our

6400
03:51:39,680 --> 03:51:42,200
natural gas infrastructure with a fuel

6401
03:51:42,200 --> 03:51:44,640
cell that runs with extremely low

6402
03:51:44,640 --> 03:51:46,400
emissions.

6403
03:51:46,400 --> 03:51:48,640
We use the same water over and over

6404
03:51:48,640 --> 03:51:50,480
again.

6405
03:51:50,480 --> 03:51:51,920
What's more, [music] all of the

6406
03:51:51,920 --> 03:51:54,600
technology we use on our properties

6407
03:51:54,600 --> 03:51:56,680
are extremely quiet.

6408
03:51:56,680 --> 03:51:59,760
We can do this better.

6409
03:51:59,760 --> 03:52:01,520
Giving back and sharing resources with

6410
03:52:01,520 --> 03:52:03,280
the community is at the center of our

6411
03:52:03,280 --> 03:52:04,840
purpose.

6412
03:52:04,840 --> 03:52:06,960
A share of every site's revenue flows

6413
03:52:06,960 --> 03:52:08,600
straight back into the community that

6414
03:52:08,600 --> 03:52:10,760
hosts it.

6415
03:52:10,760 --> 03:52:13,080
At Volition, we've made a commitment to

6416
03:52:13,080 --> 03:52:16,510
be a good neighbor.

6417
03:52:16,520 --> 03:52:25,150
And that's a promise we'll [music] keep.

6418
03:52:25,160 --> 03:52:28,160
Let me go back to the slide. Um

6419
03:52:28,160 --> 03:52:29,080
So, [clears throat]

6420
03:52:29,080 --> 03:52:32,560
uh this has um allowed us to begin to

6421
03:52:32,560 --> 03:52:35,120
get some feedback. Uh certainly there's

6422
03:52:35,120 --> 03:52:38,200
a lot of feedback that's knee-jerk. Um

6423
03:52:38,200 --> 03:52:41,040
and that's okay because these are

6424
03:52:41,040 --> 03:52:43,000
uh real topics that we should be, you

6425
03:52:43,000 --> 03:52:45,000
know, tackling head-on.

6426
03:52:45,000 --> 03:52:49,280
Um in that spirit, uh prior to any final

6427
03:52:49,280 --> 03:52:51,120
approval that could occur here in

6428
03:52:51,120 --> 03:52:53,280
Spanish Fork, we're taking a different

6429
03:52:53,280 --> 03:52:57,480
approach on an open house setting. We're running three of them the end of

6430
03:52:57,480 --> 03:53:01,480
next week here at the library, 2 hours

6431
03:53:01,480 --> 03:53:02,760
each,

6432
03:53:02,760 --> 03:53:06,600
so that we allow for real dialogue with

6433
03:53:06,600 --> 03:53:08,600
anybody who wants to come and have a

6434
03:53:08,600 --> 03:53:10,480
dialogue with us or

6435
03:53:10,480 --> 03:53:12,960
uh express their opposition. That That's

6436
03:53:12,960 --> 03:53:14,880
fine. There won't be an argument. Uh

6437
03:53:14,880 --> 03:53:18,560
we'll just be sharing um our engineering

6438
03:53:18,560 --> 03:53:20,280
and our process.

6439
03:53:20,280 --> 03:53:22,640
Um so, I think that will be informative

6440
03:53:22,640 --> 03:53:26,360
also for the city to understand um more

6441
03:53:26,360 --> 03:53:29,480
of the community's feedback. Our hope is

6442
03:53:29,480 --> 03:53:31,240
that we will just have um a good

6443
03:53:31,240 --> 03:53:33,800
opportunity to educate on what we're

6444
03:53:33,800 --> 03:53:36,520
actually doing. Um

6445
03:53:36,520 --> 03:53:38,040
So, let me take you through just a

6446
03:53:38,040 --> 03:53:39,960
couple

6447
03:53:39,960 --> 03:53:41,920
slides [clears throat] that will outline

6448
03:53:41,920 --> 03:53:43,680
the key topics.

6449
03:53:43,680 --> 03:53:45,680
So, when we look at a data center in

6450
03:53:45,680 --> 03:53:48,360
Spanish Fork, um

6451
03:53:48,360 --> 03:53:50,680
there are really five key pillars of our

6452
03:53:50,680 --> 03:53:52,360
approach. One, that we [clears throat]

6453
03:53:52,360 --> 03:53:54,120
genuinely bring our own power. We will

6454
03:53:54,120 --> 03:53:55,920
never touch the grid.

6455
03:53:55,920 --> 03:54:00,120
Um we have near zero emissions in the

6456
03:54:00,120 --> 03:54:03,240
technology that that we utilize.

6457
03:54:03,240 --> 03:54:06,720
Um we utilize an extremely small amount

6458
03:54:06,720 --> 03:54:08,760
of water. And while I'll come to this,

6459
03:54:08,760 --> 03:54:11,560
there is no uh disposal of the water at

6460
03:54:11,560 --> 03:54:13,040
any time. So, there is there is no

6461
03:54:13,040 --> 03:54:15,151
scenario where we are offloading

6462
03:54:15,151 --> 03:54:16,040
[snorts]

6463
03:54:16,040 --> 03:54:18,240
water. Um and I'll touch a little bit

6464
03:54:18,240 --> 03:54:20,000
more on that.

6465
03:54:20,000 --> 03:54:21,720
Uh we believe that we've identified a

6466
03:54:21,720 --> 03:54:24,200
building where this is an extremely

6467
03:54:24,200 --> 03:54:27,080
useful repurposing of an existing

6468
03:54:27,080 --> 03:54:28,120
building.

6469
03:54:28,120 --> 03:54:31,000
And we do believe that uh

6470
03:54:31,000 --> 03:54:32,600
by being here,

6471
03:54:32,600 --> 03:54:35,720
uh there's a meaningful economic and

6472
03:54:35,720 --> 03:54:38,640
educational impact in the community.

6473
03:54:38,640 --> 03:54:42,470
So, if we can go to the next slide.

6474
03:54:42,480 --> 03:54:46,160
Um the fuel cell that we use, uh this is

6475
03:54:46,160 --> 03:54:47,480
I'll be talking a little bit more about

6476
03:54:47,480 --> 03:54:48,320
it.

6477
03:54:48,320 --> 03:54:49,280
Um

6478
03:54:49,280 --> 03:54:52,480
it uses natural gas. There is never at

6479
03:54:52,480 --> 03:54:55,040
any time a need to connect to the grid.

6480
03:54:55,040 --> 03:54:57,680
There will never be a future request.

6481
03:54:57,680 --> 03:55:00,760
Our whole business is built around

6482
03:55:00,760 --> 03:55:04,520
uh natural gas technology. Um there is

6483
03:55:04,520 --> 03:55:07,080
no time in our scenario where we have an

6484
03:55:07,080 --> 03:55:10,600
interest in or or a request for utility

6485
03:55:10,600 --> 03:55:13,280
power. It's just not the way that we

6486
03:55:13,280 --> 03:55:14,400
operate.

6487
03:55:14,400 --> 03:55:16,080
>> Can I pause you right there? Where does

6488
03:55:16,080 --> 03:55:18,920
your natural gas come from?

6489
03:55:18,920 --> 03:55:21,800
>> So, our natural gas uh we purchase

6490
03:55:21,800 --> 03:55:24,280
directly through Enbridge.

6491
03:55:24,280 --> 03:55:28,200
And we upgrade the amount of natural gas

6492
03:55:28,200 --> 03:55:29,920
coming in. I'll be talking also a little

6493
03:55:29,920 --> 03:55:31,600
bit more about that specifically.

6494
03:55:31,600 --> 03:55:32,040
>> Okay.

6495
03:55:32,040 --> 03:55:33,800
>> Um but we upgrade the infrastructure at

6496
03:55:33,800 --> 03:55:35,280
our cost

6497
03:55:35,280 --> 03:55:36,400
to the property.

6498
03:55:36,400 --> 03:55:37,200
>> Thank you.

6499
03:55:37,200 --> 03:55:39,800
>> Um there is never a time, Paul, where we

6500
03:55:39,800 --> 03:55:42,800
will introduce any diesel uh generators

6501
03:55:42,800 --> 03:55:45,400
or backup. So, we build our system in a

6502
03:55:45,400 --> 03:55:47,080
way that it has its own backup

6503
03:55:47,080 --> 03:55:49,800
redundancy in it. So, it's called N+1.

6504
03:55:49,800 --> 03:55:51,760
So, if we're producing X amount of

6505
03:55:51,760 --> 03:55:54,600
power, we have on-site another [snorts]

6506
03:55:54,600 --> 03:55:57,520
backup scenario with the same technology

6507
03:55:57,520 --> 03:55:59,240
if something goes down.

6508
03:55:59,240 --> 03:56:04,480
Um but our proposed uh amendment also uh

6509
03:56:04,480 --> 03:56:07,120
precludes any use of diesel. There is no

6510
03:56:07,120 --> 03:56:09,840
scenario where we will ever use diesel

6511
03:56:09,840 --> 03:56:11,760
on our property.

6512
03:56:11,760 --> 03:56:13,240
Um

6513
03:56:13,240 --> 03:56:15,200
back just one real quick. So, I didn't

6514
03:56:15,200 --> 03:56:16,840
realize Shauna that

6515
03:56:16,840 --> 03:56:17,440
>> Oh, there it is.

6516
03:56:17,440 --> 03:56:20,520
>> So, on this third point, um so,

6517
03:56:20,520 --> 03:56:23,120
Enbridge, we negotiate our own rate with

6518
03:56:23,120 --> 03:56:26,680
Enbridge. We've had approval now for um

6519
03:56:26,680 --> 03:56:28,480
their engineering.

6520
03:56:28,480 --> 03:56:31,360
Um if we move forward, they have already

6521
03:56:31,360 --> 03:56:33,080
uh provided us with the engineering to

6522
03:56:33,080 --> 03:56:35,440
accomplish that in about 8 months to

6523
03:56:35,440 --> 03:56:37,760
open up the natural gas pipe so that we

6524
03:56:37,760 --> 03:56:39,040
have all the natural gas there that we

6525
03:56:39,040 --> 03:56:41,400
need.

6526
03:56:41,400 --> 03:56:44,520
So, if we'll go to this um the fuel cell

6527
03:56:44,520 --> 03:56:46,480
is dynamic um

6528
03:56:46,480 --> 03:56:50,040
and these began uh in operation over 25

6529
03:56:50,040 --> 03:56:52,000
years ago. They were really kind of

6530
03:56:52,000 --> 03:56:55,240
ahead of their time. They are now um

6531
03:56:55,240 --> 03:56:58,160
proven to the point that they are now

6532
03:56:58,160 --> 03:57:01,000
providing a great solution for our time.

6533
03:57:01,000 --> 03:57:03,800
Uh Bloom Energy um

6534
03:57:03,800 --> 03:57:05,680
is really the leader

6535
03:57:05,680 --> 03:57:09,400
uh in this um technology and effectively

6536
03:57:09,400 --> 03:57:11,400
what occurs is that natural gas comes

6537
03:57:11,400 --> 03:57:13,040
into the fuel cell and there's a

6538
03:57:13,040 --> 03:57:15,320
chemical reaction that occurs. That

6539
03:57:15,320 --> 03:57:18,040
chemical reaction produces electricity.

6540
03:57:18,040 --> 03:57:20,560
But the natural gas is never consumed.

6541
03:57:20,560 --> 03:57:22,080
There is no burning. There is no

6542
03:57:22,080 --> 03:57:23,480
ignition.

6543
03:57:23,480 --> 03:57:25,640
The byproduct is electricity and it is

6544
03:57:25,640 --> 03:57:28,760
heat and it is a very small amount of

6545
03:57:28,760 --> 03:57:32,080
pure water um that is produced by the

6546
03:57:32,080 --> 03:57:33,480
system.

6547
03:57:33,480 --> 03:57:35,360
Um

6548
03:57:35,360 --> 03:57:36,920
There was a great question, Paul, about

6549
03:57:36,920 --> 03:57:39,560
supply chain and Bloom is now the

6550
03:57:39,560 --> 03:57:41,000
popular

6551
03:57:41,000 --> 03:57:43,240
uh tool to be used

6552
03:57:43,240 --> 03:57:44,280
um

6553
03:57:44,280 --> 03:57:47,240
and they do have a supply chain

6554
03:57:47,240 --> 03:57:50,040
shortage pending. Thankfully, we have a

6555
03:57:50,040 --> 03:57:52,200
4-5 year relationship with them. All of

6556
03:57:52,200 --> 03:57:54,600
our inventory is already secured.

6557
03:57:54,600 --> 03:57:57,480
Um we also have relationships with every

6558
03:57:57,480 --> 03:58:00,480
other major fuel cell manufacturer in

6559
03:58:00,480 --> 03:58:03,560
the world. Um there are not a lot of

6560
03:58:03,560 --> 03:58:05,040
them, but there are four or five of

6561
03:58:05,040 --> 03:58:08,360
them. We're also in line with them for

6562
03:58:08,360 --> 03:58:11,200
any backup equipment that we would need.

6563
03:58:11,200 --> 03:58:14,360
All of them meet our sustainability

6564
03:58:14,360 --> 03:58:16,600
requirements if we were ever to have to

6565
03:58:16,600 --> 03:58:18,920
use something other than Bloom. So,

6566
03:58:18,920 --> 03:58:21,240
>> I'll make a comment on it. Who's

6567
03:58:21,240 --> 03:58:22,640
and I don't I I get where you're saying

6568
03:58:22,640 --> 03:58:24,680
you have those relationships.

6569
03:58:24,680 --> 03:58:26,440
I know who you're competing against.

6570
03:58:26,440 --> 03:58:29,200
Oracle

6571
03:58:29,200 --> 03:58:31,960
who just in New Mexico

6572
03:58:31,960 --> 03:58:34,160
April 26th switched over from their

6573
03:58:34,160 --> 03:58:35,880
plans to do

6574
03:58:35,880 --> 03:58:36,120
>> Yeah.

6575
03:58:36,120 --> 03:58:38,000
>> on-grid electricity to this as a

6576
03:58:38,000 --> 03:58:40,440
solution because New Mexico had concerns

6577
03:58:40,440 --> 03:58:42,440
about emissions.

6578
03:58:42,440 --> 03:58:44,280
Right right with the cell.

6579
03:58:44,280 --> 03:58:46,440
Oracle has a deal with

6580
03:58:46,440 --> 03:58:50,040
Anthr- or OpenAI for very large commit.

6581
03:58:50,040 --> 03:58:52,160
In fact, if you follow Oracle stock

6582
03:58:52,160 --> 03:58:53,240
tightly related there.

6583
03:58:53,240 --> 03:58:53,920
>> Yeah.

6584
03:58:53,920 --> 03:58:56,200
>> And and I'll just make this comment. I I

6585
03:58:56,200 --> 03:58:57,640
don't speak for my employer or anything

6586
03:58:57,640 --> 03:58:59,520
like that, but I I I am in the tech

6587
03:58:59,520 --> 03:59:01,040
industry. I work for Adobe, but in no

6588
03:59:01,040 --> 03:59:02,120
way do I speak for them at all.

6589
03:59:02,120 --> 03:59:02,720
>> Yeah.

6590
03:59:02,720 --> 03:59:04,240
>> I am intimately aware of the supply

6591
03:59:04,240 --> 03:59:05,680
chain issues.

6592
03:59:05,680 --> 03:59:07,240
Everybody has them.

6593
03:59:07,240 --> 03:59:08,960
The big boys have them. You know, the

6594
03:59:08,960 --> 03:59:10,840
little players have them.

6595
03:59:10,840 --> 03:59:12,840
The Microsofts of the world have them.

6596
03:59:12,840 --> 03:59:15,280
Even Elon Musk himself has them. And

6597
03:59:15,280 --> 03:59:16,400
you're in a and you're in a realm where

6598
03:59:16,400 --> 03:59:18,000
you're competing there. I When I say

6599
03:59:18,000 --> 03:59:19,880
that, I'm saying you're competing in a

6600
03:59:19,880 --> 03:59:22,320
world that is entirely changed. This is

6601
03:59:22,320 --> 03:59:25,000
all from GPU consumption, which is

6602
03:59:25,000 --> 03:59:26,240
entirely different than the data center

6603
03:59:26,240 --> 03:59:28,600
problem you were talking about before.

6604
03:59:28,600 --> 03:59:30,920
The reason why I even bring that up is I

6605
03:59:30,920 --> 03:59:32,680
say

6606
03:59:32,680 --> 03:59:33,600
I think you're going to run into

6607
03:59:33,600 --> 03:59:35,440
problems. And it's not because of your

6608
03:59:35,440 --> 03:59:37,120
ability to execute on that. It's just

6609
03:59:37,120 --> 03:59:38,600
because this is the market and world we

6610
03:59:38,600 --> 03:59:40,600
live in. There is such a voracious

6611
03:59:40,600 --> 03:59:43,480
appetite for generative AI

6612
03:59:43,480 --> 03:59:46,480
that that is a huge concern there. So,

6613
03:59:46,480 --> 03:59:48,360
anyway, that's even why I bring that up.

6614
03:59:48,360 --> 03:59:50,000
So, I could go on forever, but I'm sure

6615
03:59:50,000 --> 03:59:51,640
you're intimately aware of these

6616
03:59:51,640 --> 03:59:52,200
details.

6617
03:59:52,200 --> 03:59:53,760
>> Yeah, these are called long-lead items,

6618
03:59:53,760 --> 03:59:55,800
and so we have identified access to

6619
03:59:55,800 --> 03:59:57,120
everything that we need on the property,

6620
03:59:57,120 --> 03:59:58,360
and this

6621
03:59:58,360 --> 04:00:00,760
uh fuel cells are already secured.

6622
04:00:00,760 --> 04:00:01,600
Um

6623
04:00:01,600 --> 04:00:03,120
>> Are already secured in terms of you've

6624
04:00:03,120 --> 04:00:04,440
secured actual inventory? You have

6625
04:00:04,440 --> 04:00:05,680
delivery dates and things like that?

6626
04:00:05,680 --> 04:00:08,720
>> MOU security on the amount that we need

6627
04:00:08,720 --> 04:00:10,880
and with our client who So, there's a

6628
04:00:10,880 --> 04:00:12,960
deep history between us,

6629
04:00:12,960 --> 04:00:14,920
Bloom, Oracle,

6630
04:00:14,920 --> 04:00:16,800
all working together, and we just happen

6631
04:00:16,800 --> 04:00:18,920
to thankfully have access to all the

6632
04:00:18,920 --> 04:00:20,760
inventory that we need. We also have

6633
04:00:20,760 --> 04:00:22,240
identified um

6634
04:00:22,240 --> 04:00:24,520
>> So, is Oracle your client?

6635
04:00:24,520 --> 04:00:28,200
>> Uh no, not in this property.

6636
04:00:28,200 --> 04:00:29,480
>> the client for this Well, I think I

6637
04:00:29,480 --> 04:00:30,760
heard yesterday An Scale, was that

6638
04:00:30,760 --> 04:00:31,240
correct?

6639
04:00:31,240 --> 04:00:32,600
>> Yeah, most likely An Scale.

6640
04:00:32,600 --> 04:00:33,800
>> And are they reselling that to yet

6641
04:00:33,800 --> 04:00:35,560
another high um like another

6642
04:00:35,560 --> 04:00:36,960
>> Yeah, they'll have a they'll have a

6643
04:00:36,960 --> 04:00:42,480
large brand that rents space in the facility. So, supply

6644
04:00:42,480 --> 04:00:45,440
chain um thankfully, we have a really

6645
04:00:45,440 --> 04:00:46,880
good handle on, and we have great

6646
04:00:46,880 --> 04:00:48,200
relationships.

6647
04:00:48,200 --> 04:00:49,320
Um

6648
04:00:49,320 --> 04:00:52,240
and that all factors into our ability

6649
04:00:52,240 --> 04:00:55,240
to, you know, to build out the project,

6650
04:00:55,240 --> 04:00:57,640
but I think what's important is that a

6651
04:00:57,640 --> 04:01:00,280
slowdown in supply chain does not equal

6652
04:01:00,280 --> 04:01:02,720
a change in our engineering. It just

6653
04:01:02,720 --> 04:01:05,960
means that where we anticipate having

6654
04:01:05,960 --> 04:01:07,880
something done at the

6655
04:01:07,880 --> 04:01:10,520
in the middle of 2027, it could be done

6656
04:01:10,520 --> 04:01:12,360
in the middle of 28 if there was a major

6657
04:01:12,360 --> 04:01:14,200
supply chain issue, but there's no

6658
04:01:14,200 --> 04:01:16,760
switching engineering cuz this is what

6659
04:01:16,760 --> 04:01:18,760
we This is the only way we built.

6660
04:01:18,760 --> 04:01:19,920
>> I know we'll go back and forth on some

6661
04:01:19,920 --> 04:01:21,360
questions. I want to catch one thing

6662
04:01:21,360 --> 04:01:22,960
before we go forward.

6663
04:01:22,960 --> 04:01:25,160
Low emissions, it's not zero emissions.

6664
04:01:25,160 --> 04:01:25,960
We're still talking

6665
04:01:25,960 --> 04:01:26,920
>> zero emissions.

6666
04:01:26,920 --> 04:01:28,880
>> You're still talking CO2 greenhouse

6667
04:01:28,880 --> 04:01:29,480
emissions, right?

6668
04:01:29,480 --> 04:01:30,720
>> to that in just I'll walk you right

6669
04:01:30,720 --> 04:01:33,040
through it. We We We're really careful

6670
04:01:33,040 --> 04:01:35,000
to never say zero emissions because

6671
04:01:35,000 --> 04:01:36,400
we're not.

6672
04:01:36,400 --> 04:01:38,920
Um so, let's head to

6673
04:01:38,920 --> 04:01:40,520
next slide.

6674
04:01:40,520 --> 04:01:44,400
So, on emissions, um

6675
04:01:44,400 --> 04:01:47,640
to give an idea of uh the way natural

6676
04:01:47,640 --> 04:01:48,920
gas

6677
04:01:48,920 --> 04:01:51,280
um operates,

6678
04:01:51,280 --> 04:01:54,400
we end up emitting ultra-low emissions

6679
04:01:54,400 --> 04:01:57,840
that fall below any state or municipal

6680
04:01:57,840 --> 04:02:00,480
standard anywhere in the country.

6681
04:02:00,480 --> 04:02:02,760
Um especially in uh in particular in

6682
04:02:02,760 --> 04:02:05,440
California, where it's most stringent,

6683
04:02:05,440 --> 04:02:08,800
um Bloom operates there. And um so, we

6684
04:02:08,800 --> 04:02:12,560
meet and exceed every emission uh

6685
04:02:12,560 --> 04:02:14,080
requirement. To give a little bit of

6686
04:02:14,080 --> 04:02:17,040
just day-to-day context, for example, in

6687
04:02:17,040 --> 04:02:20,040
the property that we propose to work, um

6688
04:02:20,040 --> 04:02:24,120
our entire development will be equal to

6689
04:02:24,120 --> 04:02:26,200
about four to five semi-trucks per year.

6690
04:02:26,200 --> 04:02:28,840
So, if in that building,

6691
04:02:28,840 --> 04:02:31,800
instead of data center, we just had four

6692
04:02:31,800 --> 04:02:34,880
diesel trucks running routes, that's

6693
04:02:34,880 --> 04:02:36,640
about the amount of emission that our

6694
04:02:36,640 --> 04:02:38,680
entire system puts out.

6695
04:02:38,680 --> 04:02:40,040
Um [snorts] and we've just recently

6696
04:02:40,040 --> 04:02:41,920
received what's called the new minor

6697
04:02:41,920 --> 04:02:43,400
source permit

6698
04:02:43,400 --> 04:02:45,560
uh in the state of Utah. So, they have

6699
04:02:45,560 --> 04:02:47,360
finished all of their analysis, not of

6700
04:02:47,360 --> 04:02:49,080
the fuel cell

6701
04:02:49,080 --> 04:02:51,760
standalone, but the cumulative

6702
04:02:51,760 --> 04:02:54,000
construction of our project. And again,

6703
04:02:54,000 --> 04:02:55,920
we've been approved meeting all of those

6704
04:02:55,920 --> 04:02:58,160
standards. The next slide, I think

6705
04:02:58,160 --> 04:02:59,880
actually gives us a little bit more

6706
04:02:59,880 --> 04:03:02,280
details and another comparison.

6707
04:03:02,280 --> 04:03:03,800
So, in this

6708
04:03:03,800 --> 04:03:07,720
uh location, um

6709
04:03:07,720 --> 04:03:10,360
you can see that um

6710
04:03:10,360 --> 04:03:12,560
all of the key particulates and

6711
04:03:12,560 --> 04:03:15,920
emissions, for example, if we are at

6712
04:03:15,920 --> 04:03:18,720
five tons a year,

6713
04:03:18,720 --> 04:03:21,360
compared to a natural gas turbine, a

6714
04:03:21,360 --> 04:03:25,360
diesel generator, a Utah grid, average

6715
04:03:25,360 --> 04:03:27,520
uh reciprocating engines, all of these

6716
04:03:27,520 --> 04:03:30,520
tools that have been used on industrial

6717
04:03:30,520 --> 04:03:32,560
facilities and on data centers all

6718
04:03:32,560 --> 04:03:34,040
throughout the US

6719
04:03:34,040 --> 04:03:35,960
are emitting

6720
04:03:35,960 --> 04:03:39,120
a thousand times plus

6721
04:03:39,120 --> 04:03:40,920
more emissions than anything that we

6722
04:03:40,920 --> 04:03:44,320
have on site. So,

6723
04:03:44,320 --> 04:03:46,840
um while we are not zero emission, we

6724
04:03:46,840 --> 04:03:49,920
are ultra low emission unequivocally.

6725
04:03:49,920 --> 04:03:51,640
>> What what time frame are we looking at?

6726
04:03:51,640 --> 04:03:54,480
Is this a a year of emissions?

6727
04:03:54,480 --> 04:03:56,880
>> Yeah. Yeah, per year.

6728
04:03:56,880 --> 04:04:01,030
Next slide.

6729
04:04:01,040 --> 04:04:04,560
Water is my background. What water is

6730
04:04:04,560 --> 04:04:06,120
something I've always been passionate

6731
04:04:06,120 --> 04:04:07,440
about.

6732
04:04:07,440 --> 04:04:12,320
Um and some time ago companies like

6733
04:04:12,320 --> 04:04:15,560
uh Trane and Carrier began to innovate

6734
04:04:15,560 --> 04:04:17,880
and engineer just like Bloom began to

6735
04:04:17,880 --> 04:04:20,920
innovate a better way to produce energy,

6736
04:04:20,920 --> 04:04:23,440
the cooling

6737
04:04:23,440 --> 04:04:25,360
companies began really innovating on how

6738
04:04:25,360 --> 04:04:28,200
to do this better. We now, over the last

6739
04:04:28,200 --> 04:04:30,360
5 years, have access to a closed loop

6740
04:04:30,360 --> 04:04:31,680
system

6741
04:04:31,680 --> 04:04:34,440
um that means that we fill the system

6742
04:04:34,440 --> 04:04:36,040
one time.

6743
04:04:36,040 --> 04:04:39,160
In this property, the initial fill is

6744
04:04:39,160 --> 04:04:43,040
500,000 gallons. That is the same amount

6745
04:04:43,040 --> 04:04:47,280
as two average Utah households

6746
04:04:47,280 --> 04:04:49,560
per year. And we only do that

6747
04:04:49,560 --> 04:04:52,400
once. We fill it once.

6748
04:04:52,400 --> 04:04:56,640
Annually, we use 250,000 gallons

6749
04:04:56,640 --> 04:05:01,470
uh for um

6750
04:05:01,480 --> 04:05:03,520
a part of the process that has to do

6751
04:05:03,520 --> 04:05:06,680
with just creating humidity in

6752
04:05:06,680 --> 04:05:07,880
part of the technology. So, you're

6753
04:05:07,880 --> 04:05:12,800
talking about an annual use of about one home.

6754
04:05:12,800 --> 04:05:14,360
Um

6755
04:05:14,360 --> 04:05:17,000
everything that we use falls

6756
04:05:17,000 --> 04:05:18,720
far below

6757
04:05:18,720 --> 04:05:20,280
what is currently permitted on this

6758
04:05:20,280 --> 04:05:21,840
property. There's already a 4-in pipe

6759
04:05:21,840 --> 04:05:24,240
we'll never touch. We will never touch

6760
04:05:24,240 --> 04:05:26,400
the amount of water that is already

6761
04:05:26,400 --> 04:05:29,560
allocated. We will never request any

6762
04:05:29,560 --> 04:05:31,760
additional water rights.

6763
04:05:31,760 --> 04:05:33,000
Um

6764
04:05:33,000 --> 04:05:34,960
and so um

6765
04:05:34,960 --> 04:05:38,560
this is this is a fact that is a little

6766
04:05:38,560 --> 04:05:41,720
bit blurred in media right now because

6767
04:05:41,720 --> 04:05:43,880
most of the conversations are

6768
04:05:43,880 --> 04:05:45,760
referencing technologies that are

6769
04:05:45,760 --> 04:05:47,200
totally different than this or that are

6770
04:05:47,200 --> 04:05:48,720
much older.

6771
04:05:48,720 --> 04:05:51,160
Um and so

6772
04:05:51,160 --> 04:05:54,480
this is the the facts of our system. Let

6773
04:05:54,480 --> 04:05:56,800
me give you just kind of a logical

6774
04:05:56,800 --> 04:05:57,760
you know,

6775
04:05:57,760 --> 04:05:59,680
uh thought on that.

6776
04:05:59,680 --> 04:06:01,840
If we are investing huge amounts of

6777
04:06:01,840 --> 04:06:04,920
capital to build this system

6778
04:06:04,920 --> 04:06:07,280
but think that we could then get away

6779
04:06:07,280 --> 04:06:08,960
with a bait and switch and say, "Well,

6780
04:06:08,960 --> 04:06:11,600
wait a minute, we need more water."

6781
04:06:11,600 --> 04:06:13,920
There is no scenario where we or our

6782
04:06:13,920 --> 04:06:16,880
capital partners would ever take a risk

6783
04:06:16,880 --> 04:06:20,080
like that. Um we have designed this so

6784
04:06:20,080 --> 04:06:22,800
that what you see here is exactly what

6785
04:06:22,800 --> 04:06:24,440
it what it does.

6786
04:06:24,440 --> 04:06:27,560
Um from the standpoint of

6787
04:06:27,560 --> 04:06:33,280
um any water being dispelled, there is not there is no scenario where

6788
04:06:33,280 --> 04:06:37,240
we are offloading um water. The only

6789
04:06:37,240 --> 04:06:39,960
time that we would ever offload water is

6790
04:06:39,960 --> 04:06:41,560
if we detected through our daily

6791
04:06:41,560 --> 04:06:43,760
monitoring

6792
04:06:43,760 --> 04:06:45,680
that maybe there is some bacteria in our

6793
04:06:45,680 --> 04:06:47,280
system.

6794
04:06:47,280 --> 04:06:49,320
We can't have that because it will

6795
04:06:49,320 --> 04:06:52,160
degradate the quality of our of our

6796
04:06:52,160 --> 04:06:54,920
system. And so these systems are built

6797
04:06:54,920 --> 04:06:56,760
in such a way that you're able to close

6798
04:06:56,760 --> 04:06:58,600
off sections

6799
04:06:58,600 --> 04:07:00,520
and when you remove water, you're

6800
04:07:00,520 --> 04:07:02,120
pumping it

6801
04:07:02,120 --> 04:07:04,320
into a tank.

6802
04:07:04,320 --> 04:07:06,520
Then treating from that point, testing

6803
04:07:06,520 --> 04:07:07,920
your water, finding out if you have to

6804
04:07:07,920 --> 04:07:10,040
refill the whole thing or if you can

6805
04:07:10,040 --> 04:07:11,720
update and improve that water so that

6806
04:07:11,720 --> 04:07:13,720
you can reuse it. So I just want to do

6807
04:07:13,720 --> 04:07:15,400
address that, you know, the questions

6808
04:07:15,400 --> 04:07:19,760
about uh water and the technicalities

6809
04:07:19,760 --> 04:07:23,840
even if we were in a scenario where we had to test water

6810
04:07:23,840 --> 04:07:26,640
you know two households of water

6811
04:07:26,640 --> 04:07:31,560
it would never be a released into

6812
04:07:31,560 --> 04:07:35,120
the local system.

6813
04:07:35,120 --> 04:07:37,280
>> Cass a question

6814
04:07:37,280 --> 04:07:38,400
and I think I heard that and I think

6815
04:07:38,400 --> 04:07:39,760
it's a it's a pretty compelling story

6816
04:07:39,760 --> 04:07:42,320
here in terms of water consumption.

6817
04:07:42,320 --> 04:07:43,640
I think the thing the reason you run

6818
04:07:43,640 --> 04:07:44,680
into

6819
04:07:44,680 --> 04:07:46,440
other issues is is similar to what you

6820
04:07:46,440 --> 04:07:49,360
said, right? AWS in different locations

6821
04:07:49,360 --> 04:07:51,480
water's a different situation. Could you

6822
04:07:51,480 --> 04:07:52,880
maybe and it doesn't have to be forever

6823
04:07:52,880 --> 04:07:54,800
but could you dive in the details of how

6824
04:07:54,800 --> 04:07:56,400
this actually works? How is the water

6825
04:07:56,400 --> 04:07:58,720
actually cooling the infrastructure, the

6826
04:07:58,720 --> 04:08:00,600
servers and everything like that? Is it

6827
04:08:00,600 --> 04:08:01,840
I mean I know you're saying a closed

6828
04:08:01,840 --> 04:08:03,120
loop system.

6829
04:08:03,120 --> 04:08:04,760
Give me like a

6830
04:08:04,760 --> 04:08:07,040
>> Yeah, the short version is the short

6831
04:08:07,040 --> 04:08:08,960
version is you think of maybe a radiator

6832
04:08:08,960 --> 04:08:10,240
in your car.

6833
04:08:10,240 --> 04:08:12,240
You know, so we we have

6834
04:08:12,240 --> 04:08:14,320
water that is coming from a cooling

6835
04:08:14,320 --> 04:08:16,760
system. So we have water moving through

6836
04:08:16,760 --> 04:08:20,320
cooling and that cooler water then hits

6837
04:08:20,320 --> 04:08:23,560
the computer that has been running and

6838
04:08:23,560 --> 04:08:25,600
gets very hot and it's called [snorts]

6839
04:08:25,600 --> 04:08:28,040
direct to chip. So the water actually

6840
04:08:28,040 --> 04:08:31,440
flows over the chip itself.

6841
04:08:31,440 --> 04:08:33,760
That water cools the chip

6842
04:08:33,760 --> 04:08:37,120
and is now a warm hot water coming out

6843
04:08:37,120 --> 04:08:39,520
the back end and it loops around, comes

6844
04:08:39,520 --> 04:08:41,640
back through the cooling system, comes

6845
04:08:41,640 --> 04:08:43,400
down to another, you know, several

6846
04:08:43,400 --> 04:08:45,440
degrees cooler into the kind of into the

6847
04:08:45,440 --> 04:08:48,040
70s, 60s or 70s and it comes back

6848
04:08:48,040 --> 04:08:49,120
through

6849
04:08:49,120 --> 04:08:51,960
and and that is the literally the you

6850
04:08:51,960 --> 04:08:55,400
know, the the very basic version of how

6851
04:08:55,400 --> 04:08:56,760
the system

6852
04:08:56,760 --> 04:08:58,560
flows and cools.

6853
04:08:58,560 --> 04:09:00,200
>> Same water recycled over and over again?

6854
04:09:00,200 --> 04:09:00,840
>> Over and over again.

6855
04:09:00,840 --> 04:09:02,560
>> So you have to cool this water. You do

6856
04:09:02,560 --> 04:09:04,440
that with a some sort of refrigeration

6857
04:09:04,440 --> 04:09:06,280
device that requires energy. Is that

6858
04:09:06,280 --> 04:09:07,040
correct?

6859
04:09:07,040 --> 04:09:08,760
>> Yeah, so all of the power that we have

6860
04:09:08,760 --> 04:09:11,720
on the system on the property is also

6861
04:09:11,720 --> 04:09:13,640
powering those cooling systems by

6862
04:09:13,640 --> 04:09:15,800
Carrier and Trane.

6863
04:09:15,800 --> 04:09:18,960
>> Got you. What what what portion of your

6864
04:09:18,960 --> 04:09:21,840
Let's say 250 MW facility, what portion

6865
04:09:21,840 --> 04:09:23,840
of that is committed to

6866
04:09:23,840 --> 04:09:25,840
cooling?

6867
04:09:25,840 --> 04:09:26,080
>> Um

6868
04:09:26,080 --> 04:09:27,200
>> And maybe this is too technical. I'm

6869
04:09:27,200 --> 04:09:28,800
just kind of curious on that.

6870
04:09:28,800 --> 04:09:32,800
>> So, that would be considered There's about 25%

6871
04:09:32,800 --> 04:09:34,680
of all of the power you use on the

6872
04:09:34,680 --> 04:09:36,400
facility that is called parasitic use.

6873
04:09:36,400 --> 04:09:38,360
So, that powers

6874
04:09:38,360 --> 04:09:40,000
IT, [snorts]

6875
04:09:40,000 --> 04:09:41,880
powers cooling.

6876
04:09:41,880 --> 04:09:43,960
Um so, that's That's about a rough

6877
04:09:43,960 --> 04:09:44,840
number.

6878
04:09:44,840 --> 04:09:46,320
>> Rough number, yeah.

6879
04:09:46,320 --> 04:09:47,320
>> Yeah.

6880
04:09:47,320 --> 04:09:49,560
Let's go to the building. And so, this

6881
04:09:49,560 --> 04:09:51,480
is where we get into

6882
04:09:51,480 --> 04:09:54,600
um the land use. So, this uh

6883
04:09:54,600 --> 04:09:56,720
is proposed at what is

6884
04:09:56,720 --> 04:09:58,960
known as the old Fingerhut building.

6885
04:09:58,960 --> 04:10:00,040
Um

6886
04:10:00,040 --> 04:10:04,240
it's a million square feet. Um and it is

6887
04:10:04,240 --> 04:10:06,200
uh in a pretty ideal scenario where

6888
04:10:06,200 --> 04:10:07,320
we're not

6889
04:10:07,320 --> 04:10:09,160
requesting to, you know, buy up a bunch

6890
04:10:09,160 --> 04:10:10,480
of land and build something new on the

6891
04:10:10,480 --> 04:10:11,880
skyline.

6892
04:10:11,880 --> 04:10:16,640
Um and the exterior allows us to

6893
04:10:16,640 --> 04:10:19,120
utilize that in an efficient way with

6894
04:10:19,120 --> 04:10:21,720
the the power that would be on site,

6895
04:10:21,720 --> 04:10:25,280
primarily on what would be the

6896
04:10:25,280 --> 04:10:29,160
uh east side of the property.

6897
04:10:29,160 --> 04:10:31,920
Um so, let's go to another slide where

6898
04:10:31,920 --> 04:10:33,240
we get into this a little bit further.

6899
04:10:33,240 --> 04:10:34,920
This is an important

6900
04:10:34,920 --> 04:10:38,280
um comparison about the use of this

6901
04:10:38,280 --> 04:10:39,840
property. So,

6902
04:10:39,840 --> 04:10:42,280
we are buying this building

6903
04:10:42,280 --> 04:10:44,120
and

6904
04:10:44,120 --> 04:10:47,360
um we also know that

6905
04:10:47,360 --> 04:10:50,160
there's another company uh bidding to

6906
04:10:50,160 --> 04:10:52,400
buy the building. Uh we won't buy the

6907
04:10:52,400 --> 04:10:53,480
building

6908
04:10:53,480 --> 04:10:55,320
until we know if we're moving forward

6909
04:10:55,320 --> 04:10:57,280
together, but all of that is in place

6910
04:10:57,280 --> 04:10:59,840
and um

6911
04:10:59,840 --> 04:11:02,720
But of note, this building is built for

6912
04:11:02,720 --> 04:11:04,200
distribution.

6913
04:11:04,200 --> 04:11:06,600
It's 36 loading bays.

6914
04:11:06,600 --> 04:11:10,440
Um for sure the other buyer would be

6915
04:11:10,440 --> 04:11:13,000
utilizing this at its full capacity for

6916
04:11:13,000 --> 04:11:14,640
distribution.

6917
04:11:14,640 --> 04:11:18,160
That means 3,500 trucks a month running

6918
04:11:18,160 --> 04:11:19,920
out of this facility.

6919
04:11:19,920 --> 04:11:21,720
Um,

6920
04:11:21,720 --> 04:11:24,560
massive amount of emissions coming just

6921
04:11:24,560 --> 04:11:26,280
when we calculate those trucks running

6922
04:11:26,280 --> 04:11:28,080
from the facility

6923
04:11:28,080 --> 04:11:30,080
just out of Spanish Fork to the to the

6924
04:11:30,080 --> 04:11:31,480
freeway.

6925
04:11:31,480 --> 04:11:34,520
Um, in our case we will have, you know,

6926
04:11:34,520 --> 04:11:36,560
100 or 200 employees coming in and out

6927
04:11:36,560 --> 04:11:39,120
of that building. There's no delivery,

6928
04:11:39,120 --> 04:11:43,440
there's no heavy diesel. Um, and we are

6929
04:11:43,440 --> 04:11:46,400
uh dramatically cleaner

6930
04:11:46,400 --> 04:11:50,560
and quieter than uh the proposed use

6931
04:11:50,560 --> 04:11:51,960
that will likely happen when this

6932
04:11:51,960 --> 04:11:53,720
building sells if it's if it's not to

6933
04:11:53,720 --> 04:11:54,880
us.

6934
04:11:54,880 --> 04:11:58,760
So, we we think it is genuinely a

6935
04:11:58,760 --> 04:12:01,400
uh more effective use um of this

6936
04:12:01,400 --> 04:12:05,240
facility. If we go to the next slide,

6937
04:12:05,240 --> 04:12:06,640
um,

6938
04:12:06,640 --> 04:12:08,880
when we're completed in this building,

6939
04:12:08,880 --> 04:12:11,240
uh what we have is

6940
04:12:11,240 --> 04:12:14,600
um equipment that is extremely

6941
04:12:14,600 --> 04:12:17,040
um quiet. What I failed to tell you

6942
04:12:17,040 --> 04:12:18,920
about the Bloom fuel cell,

6943
04:12:18,920 --> 04:12:19,920
um,

6944
04:12:19,920 --> 04:12:21,640
is it's

6945
04:12:21,640 --> 04:12:24,160
uh lack of noise. And the way to compare

6946
04:12:24,160 --> 04:12:25,920
it is if you all remember the first time

6947
04:12:25,920 --> 04:12:28,600
you ever had

6948
04:12:28,600 --> 04:12:32,280
like a Tesla or a Prius

6949
04:12:32,280 --> 04:12:33,400
pull up and it's like, "Why didn't I

6950
04:12:33,400 --> 04:12:34,880
even hear that thing?"

6951
04:12:34,880 --> 04:12:37,360
Um, still kind of weirds me out. When

6952
04:12:37,360 --> 04:12:40,160
you stand near the Bloom fuel cell, it's

6953
04:12:40,160 --> 04:12:42,880
the same thing. Um, it is

6954
04:12:42,880 --> 04:12:47,040
uh you just don't hear a very very low

6955
04:12:47,040 --> 04:12:49,880
um, it's not even a hum, it's just

6956
04:12:49,880 --> 04:12:52,400
like a super quiet fan.

6957
04:12:52,400 --> 04:12:56,480
Um, so all of the equipment is

6958
04:12:56,480 --> 04:13:00,280
um under 65 decibels. That's

6959
04:13:00,280 --> 04:13:02,600
conversational level.

6960
04:13:02,600 --> 04:13:04,320
Um, as soon as you start to pull away

6961
04:13:04,320 --> 04:13:05,400
from it,

6962
04:13:05,400 --> 04:13:08,360
um you you drop below that.

6963
04:13:08,360 --> 04:13:11,630
We have no

6964
04:13:11,640 --> 04:13:13,520
light pollution.

6965
04:13:13,520 --> 04:13:16,200
Um we have no change to the skyline with

6966
04:13:16,200 --> 04:13:18,680
the with a new structure.

6967
04:13:18,680 --> 04:13:22,240
And very uh uniquely,

6968
04:13:22,240 --> 04:13:25,520
this building will house um over $4

6969
04:13:25,520 --> 04:13:26,560
billion

6970
04:13:26,560 --> 04:13:27,800
of

6971
04:13:27,800 --> 04:13:30,360
um equipment

6972
04:13:30,360 --> 04:13:31,720
that

6973
04:13:31,720 --> 04:13:34,640
creates if we look on the next slide, um

6974
04:13:34,640 --> 04:13:37,640
a really substantial impact uh to the

6975
04:13:37,640 --> 04:13:39,040
community.

6976
04:13:39,040 --> 04:13:42,400
Um what's also important to note

6977
04:13:42,400 --> 04:13:45,800
is that we have zero request of this

6978
04:13:45,800 --> 04:13:47,000
community.

6979
04:13:47,000 --> 04:13:49,640
There is no request for a tax incentive.

6980
04:13:49,640 --> 04:13:51,920
There is no request to participate in

6981
04:13:51,920 --> 04:13:53,480
our infrastructure.

6982
04:13:53,480 --> 04:13:54,680
Um

6983
04:13:54,680 --> 04:14:00,760
we are making no request. Um our business model

6984
04:14:00,760 --> 04:14:03,440
uh stands on its own. There are some

6985
04:14:03,440 --> 04:14:05,280
federal incentives that we're able to

6986
04:14:05,280 --> 04:14:07,560
write off in the normal course of of

6987
04:14:07,560 --> 04:14:08,680
business.

6988
04:14:08,680 --> 04:14:10,720
Um and we'll pay taxes in the state of

6989
04:14:10,720 --> 04:14:13,040
Utah uh normally.

6990
04:14:13,040 --> 04:14:16,360
>> I have a question about this, and I'm not super familiar and I may even

6991
04:14:16,360 --> 04:14:18,880
ask staff to comment. Um

6992
04:14:18,880 --> 04:14:20,840
whoever can comment can.

6993
04:14:20,840 --> 04:14:22,640
If we had a different tenant, would

6994
04:14:22,640 --> 04:14:25,240
their bill be the same for taxes?

6995
04:14:25,240 --> 04:14:27,960
>> Um property taxes are based on property

6996
04:14:27,960 --> 04:14:29,240
value.

6997
04:14:29,240 --> 04:14:31,960
And it's um

6998
04:14:31,960 --> 04:14:35,480
impossible, frankly, I think for

6999
04:14:35,480 --> 04:14:37,160
you to be talking about these kind of

7000
04:14:37,160 --> 04:14:40,360
values unless you're talking about

7001
04:14:40,360 --> 04:14:43,240
I've come to know them as GPUs.

7002
04:14:43,240 --> 04:14:44,640
A lot of them

7003
04:14:44,640 --> 04:14:46,320
in a compact space like this.

7004
04:14:46,320 --> 04:14:49,120
>> actual value of the capital investment

7005
04:14:49,120 --> 04:14:51,360
is what drives tax. It was what can

7006
04:14:51,360 --> 04:14:53,400
drive the tax. So the capital investment

7007
04:14:53,400 --> 04:14:55,160
is going to be the servers, the

7008
04:14:55,160 --> 04:14:57,520
infrastructure, the network switches,

7009
04:14:57,520 --> 04:14:58,960
the so on and so forth.

7010
04:14:58,960 --> 04:15:00,640
>> As well as the real estate itself, so

7011
04:15:00,640 --> 04:15:02,120
you have the personal property tax and

7012
04:15:02,120 --> 04:15:03,520
the real estate.

7013
04:15:03,520 --> 04:15:06,320
>> And um particularly with the the

7014
04:15:06,320 --> 04:15:09,640
personal property, you know, there's um

7015
04:15:09,640 --> 04:15:11,640
>> And the cost of the generators?

7016
04:15:11,640 --> 04:15:12,800
>> Uh

7017
04:15:12,800 --> 04:15:15,240
that phrase has now left me.

7018
04:15:15,240 --> 04:15:16,520
Um

7019
04:15:16,520 --> 04:15:18,840
the equipment gets There's depreciation.

7020
04:15:18,840 --> 04:15:19,360
>> Yeah.

7021
04:15:19,360 --> 04:15:20,600
>> But with this equipment, it gets

7022
04:15:20,600 --> 04:15:22,320
replaced so frequently.

7023
04:15:22,320 --> 04:15:23,800
>> Well, it has to. You have about a 5-year

7024
04:15:23,800 --> 04:15:25,960
depreciation cycle. That stuff is

7025
04:15:25,960 --> 04:15:27,480
essentially

7026
04:15:27,480 --> 04:15:28,480
What is ancient?

7027
04:15:28,480 --> 04:15:28,680
>> Right.

7028
04:15:28,680 --> 04:15:30,600
>> it gets replaced, right? So you you

7029
04:15:30,600 --> 04:15:32,040
typically hold that value pretty

7030
04:15:32,040 --> 04:15:33,960
strongly compared to some other types of

7031
04:15:33,960 --> 04:15:35,880
equipment that that you might see in a

7032
04:15:35,880 --> 04:15:38,080
situation like this. So

7033
04:15:38,080 --> 04:15:40,760
to be candid, um

7034
04:15:40,760 --> 04:15:42,880
this is a strong performer for a

7035
04:15:42,880 --> 04:15:44,880
municipality in terms of revenue

7036
04:15:44,880 --> 04:15:46,720
generation.

7037
04:15:46,720 --> 04:15:48,440
>> Okay. Based on capital investment. Okay,

7038
04:15:48,440 --> 04:15:49,560
thanks for that understanding. That's

7039
04:15:49,560 --> 04:15:50,200
one thing.

7040
04:15:50,200 --> 04:15:52,840
>> Is that the That'll be the only revenue

7041
04:15:52,840 --> 04:15:54,880
generator is the property tax? There

7042
04:15:54,880 --> 04:15:55,080
won't

7043
04:15:55,080 --> 04:15:57,000
>> I In this case

7044
04:15:57,000 --> 04:15:57,960
>> sales tax

7045
04:15:57,960 --> 04:15:59,320
>> they won't be purchasing power. There's

7046
04:15:59,320 --> 04:16:01,360
no sales tax. Yep, it's just property

7047
04:16:01,360 --> 04:16:04,230
tax.

7048
04:16:04,240 --> 04:16:07,280
On the next slide, you'll see that um

7049
04:16:07,280 --> 04:16:10,680
you know, our our intention um is to

7050
04:16:10,680 --> 04:16:11,840
also

7051
04:16:11,840 --> 04:16:13,800
directly contribute

7052
04:16:13,800 --> 04:16:15,920
uh to the community. So aside from the

7053
04:16:15,920 --> 04:16:18,600
tax revenue, we're allocating a minimum

7054
04:16:18,600 --> 04:16:21,200
of $500,000 a year. Probably

7055
04:16:21,200 --> 04:16:24,160
push over over a million cuz we'll ask

7056
04:16:24,160 --> 04:16:25,760
our tenant to contribute with us. That

7057
04:16:25,760 --> 04:16:28,360
will be um a contribution to the

7058
04:16:28,360 --> 04:16:30,720
community for

7059
04:16:30,720 --> 04:16:33,200
whatever beneficial use is

7060
04:16:33,200 --> 04:16:35,640
um is appropriate.

7061
04:16:35,640 --> 04:16:40,360
We will be hosting ongoing uh quarterly

7062
04:16:40,360 --> 04:16:42,080
professional training

7063
04:16:42,080 --> 04:16:44,160
uh in the community so that we can help

7064
04:16:44,160 --> 04:16:45,600
professionals understand how to

7065
04:16:45,600 --> 04:16:48,200
transition if they need to or to

7066
04:16:48,200 --> 04:16:51,560
um just step up into an IT or data

7067
04:16:51,560 --> 04:16:53,200
center related

7068
04:16:53,200 --> 04:16:56,760
uh career, we will provide this training

7069
04:16:56,760 --> 04:17:00,120
to the high school level, the university

7070
04:17:00,120 --> 04:17:01,160
level.

7071
04:17:01,160 --> 04:17:03,080
Um there's a

7072
04:17:03,080 --> 04:17:04,720
long history of learning and development

7073
04:17:04,720 --> 04:17:06,360
in our executive team, and so this is

7074
04:17:06,360 --> 04:17:08,640
something that's genuinely part

7075
04:17:08,640 --> 04:17:12,400
um of our DNA, and um

7076
04:17:12,400 --> 04:17:14,480
in addition to that,

7077
04:17:14,480 --> 04:17:16,920
direct contribution on the next page on

7078
04:17:16,920 --> 04:17:18,360
the next slide,

7079
04:17:18,360 --> 04:17:22,920
um we proactively will be proposing

7080
04:17:22,920 --> 04:17:25,280
um our development agreement

7081
04:17:25,280 --> 04:17:26,480
that

7082
04:17:26,480 --> 04:17:27,200
um

7083
04:17:27,200 --> 04:17:29,360
holds us accountable to everything that

7084
04:17:29,360 --> 04:17:31,120
we've discussed,

7085
04:17:31,120 --> 04:17:33,360
our water use cap,

7086
04:17:33,360 --> 04:17:38,840
no grid connection request at any time,

7087
04:17:38,840 --> 04:17:41,040
a decommissioning plan that

7088
04:17:41,040 --> 04:17:42,160
uh

7089
04:17:42,160 --> 04:17:44,240
illustrates how we would utilize the

7090
04:17:44,240 --> 04:17:45,800
building or decommission if there was a

7091
04:17:45,800 --> 04:17:47,720
major economic

7092
04:17:47,720 --> 04:17:49,280
uh change,

7093
04:17:49,280 --> 04:17:53,480
um enforceable noise limits,

7094
04:17:53,480 --> 04:17:57,560
um an absolute covenant for no diesel uh

7095
04:17:57,560 --> 04:17:59,080
generation,

7096
04:17:59,080 --> 04:18:01,920
and an annual public reporting on all of

7097
04:18:01,920 --> 04:18:04,960
these covenants that we will make with

7098
04:18:04,960 --> 04:18:08,870
the city of Spanish Fork.

7099
04:18:08,880 --> 04:18:10,280
So,

7100
04:18:10,280 --> 04:18:11,920
um

7101
04:18:11,920 --> 04:18:14,600
w- we um

7102
04:18:14,600 --> 04:18:17,600
we think that this is

7103
04:18:17,600 --> 04:18:21,520
a genuine net positive to the community.

7104
04:18:21,520 --> 04:18:23,080
We've gone to great lengths to ensure

7105
04:18:23,080 --> 04:18:25,400
that wherever we build a data center,

7106
04:18:25,400 --> 04:18:28,400
you know, our intention is that the city

7107
04:18:28,400 --> 04:18:30,560
forgets or never knows that it's even

7108
04:18:30,560 --> 04:18:32,440
there because

7109
04:18:32,440 --> 04:18:36,120
we operate sustainably and efficiently.

7110
04:18:36,120 --> 04:18:38,960
We would love to do this project here.

7111
04:18:38,960 --> 04:18:40,880
Um with that said,

7112
04:18:40,880 --> 04:18:41,640
um

7113
04:18:41,640 --> 04:18:43,360
you know, we're looking at other places

7114
04:18:43,360 --> 04:18:47,360
also, and we've gone as far as we can um

7115
04:18:47,360 --> 04:18:49,080
to bring this then, you know, to the

7116
04:18:49,080 --> 04:18:51,720
city's final decision about moving

7117
04:18:51,720 --> 04:18:54,560
forward together or not. And we fully

7118
04:18:54,560 --> 04:18:57,880
respect the outcome and I would say that

7119
04:18:57,880 --> 04:18:59,800
uh, you know, our process of working

7120
04:18:59,800 --> 04:19:01,720
with the city of Spanish Fork has been

7121
04:19:01,720 --> 04:19:03,920
really phenomenal. Um,

7122
04:19:03,920 --> 04:19:05,680
I live in Provo

7123
04:19:05,680 --> 04:19:08,360
and uh, we intend to headquarter here in

7124
04:19:08,360 --> 04:19:10,160
this building if we move forward with

7125
04:19:10,160 --> 04:19:11,560
this project, but it's been a pleasure

7126
04:19:11,560 --> 04:19:13,560
working with uh, the city all the way

7127
04:19:13,560 --> 04:19:15,480
through. So, thank you.

7128
04:19:15,480 --> 04:19:17,720
>> Can I ask you a question? Just two

7129
04:19:17,720 --> 04:19:21,000
slides back it talked about uh, local

7130
04:19:21,000 --> 04:19:22,640
hiring.

7131
04:19:22,640 --> 04:19:24,400
Um, what kind of a workforce would you

7132
04:19:24,400 --> 04:19:26,120
have on this facility?

7133
04:19:26,120 --> 04:19:28,280
>> So, in the construction, uh, it's

7134
04:19:28,280 --> 04:19:30,600
impossible to man this facility all

7135
04:19:30,600 --> 04:19:32,760
locally while it's being built. You will

7136
04:19:32,760 --> 04:19:33,920
see

7137
04:19:33,920 --> 04:19:36,560
uh, trades on this property, you know,

7138
04:19:36,560 --> 04:19:38,760
in excess of a thousand people.

7139
04:19:38,760 --> 04:19:42,040
Um, we work with uh, local contractors

7140
04:19:42,040 --> 04:19:45,520
and engineers who uh, are able to pull

7141
04:19:45,520 --> 04:19:48,040
from the state of Utah first. So,

7142
04:19:48,040 --> 04:19:50,160
there's a call it a 24-month window of

7143
04:19:50,160 --> 04:19:53,800
construction. Um, the first delivery of

7144
04:19:53,800 --> 04:19:55,920
about 25 megawatts would be scheduled

7145
04:19:55,920 --> 04:19:58,600
for almost exactly a year from now.

7146
04:19:58,600 --> 04:20:00,320
And then it would [snorts] build into

7147
04:20:00,320 --> 04:20:02,600
the end of 2028.

7148
04:20:02,600 --> 04:20:06,200
So, absolutely any tradespeople in

7149
04:20:06,200 --> 04:20:08,760
Spanish Fork, they'll they'll have a job

7150
04:20:08,760 --> 04:20:10,680
here for two, you know, two plus years

7151
04:20:10,680 --> 04:20:12,120
building.

7152
04:20:12,120 --> 04:20:14,120
Beyond that, um,

7153
04:20:14,120 --> 04:20:17,680
we hope to employ those next ongoing

7154
04:20:17,680 --> 04:20:20,520
call it 200 people in our building

7155
04:20:20,520 --> 04:20:26,480
locally as much as we if we can find them here, we're going to

7156
04:20:26,480 --> 04:20:28,400
have them work for us at Volition in

7157
04:20:28,400 --> 04:20:29,560
that building.

7158
04:20:29,560 --> 04:20:31,800
Um, they're good jobs. All, you know,

7159
04:20:31,800 --> 04:20:33,040
there's nobody in the building that

7160
04:20:33,040 --> 04:20:35,000
would be earning less than probably

7161
04:20:35,000 --> 04:20:37,640
$85,000 a year. So, it's a it's a good

7162
04:20:37,640 --> 04:20:39,280
industry to work in.

7163
04:20:39,280 --> 04:20:41,280
Um, so,

7164
04:20:41,280 --> 04:20:42,000
I don't know if that answers your

7165
04:20:42,000 --> 04:20:43,120
question, but that's kind of how the

7166
04:20:43,120 --> 04:20:44,720
employment path looks. And we don't make

7167
04:20:44,720 --> 04:20:47,080
a claim to being a huge employment

7168
04:20:47,080 --> 04:20:49,800
benefit to the community. Um a lot of

7169
04:20:49,800 --> 04:20:51,200
data centers say that. I'm not sure why

7170
04:20:51,200 --> 04:20:52,440
they say that, because at the end of the

7171
04:20:52,440 --> 04:20:55,000
day, you really don't have a huge staff

7172
04:20:55,000 --> 04:20:57,920
on on premises.

7173
04:20:57,920 --> 04:20:58,640
>> Thank you.

7174
04:20:58,640 --> 04:20:58,960
>> Yeah.

7175
04:20:58,960 --> 04:21:00,880
>> So, I've got a lot of questions.

7176
04:21:00,880 --> 04:21:01,720
>> Sure. Absolutely.

7177
04:21:01,720 --> 04:21:03,720
>> I hope to not spend forever on this, but

7178
04:21:03,720 --> 04:21:05,920
I want to bring up something that we

7179
04:21:05,920 --> 04:21:07,680
that was discussed last night with the

7180
04:21:07,680 --> 04:21:08,880
city council just kind of for

7181
04:21:08,880 --> 04:21:10,480
perspective here.

7182
04:21:10,480 --> 04:21:13,200
Total power consumption what I heard and

7183
04:21:13,200 --> 04:21:14,480
back me up if this is true, maybe I

7184
04:21:14,480 --> 04:21:15,880
heard this incorrectly. Total power

7185
04:21:15,880 --> 04:21:17,360
consumption in the city of Spanish Fork

7186
04:21:17,360 --> 04:21:19,440
right now, peak usage day, middle of

7187
04:21:19,440 --> 04:21:21,880
summer, 90

7188
04:21:21,880 --> 04:21:22,720
MW.

7189
04:21:22,720 --> 04:21:23,160
>> Yes.

7190
04:21:23,160 --> 04:21:26,640
>> So, you would be producing

7191
04:21:26,640 --> 04:21:28,760
more than 2X the amount of energy that's

7192
04:21:28,760 --> 04:21:30,560
consumed in the entire city of Spanish

7193
04:21:30,560 --> 04:21:30,960
Fork.

7194
04:21:30,960 --> 04:21:31,960
>> Yeah, that's right.

7195
04:21:31,960 --> 04:21:32,960
>> And I I I

7196
04:21:32,960 --> 04:21:34,280
the reason I want to just say that and

7197
04:21:34,280 --> 04:21:36,640
that doesn't come from nowhere. Now,

7198
04:21:36,640 --> 04:21:38,080
the Bloom Energy server that you're

7199
04:21:38,080 --> 04:21:40,120
talking about, I just did a quick search

7200
04:21:40,120 --> 04:21:42,960
here. I asked for the largest

7201
04:21:42,960 --> 04:21:45,280
deployment of that anywhere in the

7202
04:21:45,280 --> 04:21:48,480
world. Currently, it says and and again,

7203
04:21:48,480 --> 04:21:50,520
this is just a search result probably

7204
04:21:50,520 --> 04:21:51,680
generated in the very same

7205
04:21:51,680 --> 04:21:53,000
infrastructure that you're talking about

7206
04:21:53,000 --> 04:21:54,520
building here.

7207
04:21:54,520 --> 04:21:58,680
We're talking 20 to 80 MW, South Korea.

7208
04:21:58,680 --> 04:22:00,200
And this is for power um

7209
04:22:00,200 --> 04:22:01,840
>> Well, that's just incorrect though.

7210
04:22:01,840 --> 04:22:06,120
Bloom [snorts] has Bloom has over 500 MW

7211
04:22:06,120 --> 04:22:07,080
running now.

7212
04:22:07,080 --> 04:22:09,080
>> In a single site?

7213
04:22:09,080 --> 04:22:10,680
>> Uh oh, not in a single site.

7214
04:22:10,680 --> 04:22:11,600
>> Yeah, yeah, not in a single site.

7215
04:22:11,600 --> 04:22:13,320
>> What is the largest single site

7216
04:22:13,320 --> 04:22:15,000
deployment of this technology?

7217
04:22:15,000 --> 04:22:17,880
>> their newest one well, right here at

7218
04:22:17,880 --> 04:22:19,120
Nova.

7219
04:22:19,120 --> 04:22:22,280
Uh Bloom and Oracle is the tenant. Bloom

7220
04:22:22,280 --> 04:22:24,480
is running 50 MW there, right here in

7221
04:22:24,480 --> 04:22:26,920
Utah. So, there there are large

7222
04:22:26,920 --> 04:22:31,280
deployments of Bloom happening. Oh, and now that they have been in such

7223
04:22:31,280 --> 04:22:37,000
demand, so Oracle, Anthropic, they're scooping up like a gigawatt of

7224
04:22:37,000 --> 04:22:37,960
capacity.

7225
04:22:37,960 --> 04:22:38,520
>> Right.

7226
04:22:38,520 --> 04:22:41,000
>> Nowhere is So, 50 is the largest. Now, I

7227
04:22:41,000 --> 04:22:43,760
Nova I looked up Nova last night. They

7228
04:22:43,760 --> 04:22:47,480
have on-site diesel generation to to

7229
04:22:47,480 --> 04:22:48,880
supplement what they're doing. Now, I

7230
04:22:48,880 --> 04:22:50,280
know you're not talking about doing

7231
04:22:50,280 --> 04:22:50,720
that.

7232
04:22:50,720 --> 04:22:51,960
>> No, no, no, it's not the same design,

7233
04:22:51,960 --> 04:22:53,400
but I'm saying they they have daily

7234
04:22:53,400 --> 04:22:54,880
running bloom at that facility.

7235
04:22:54,880 --> 04:22:58,360
>> And the reason why I say that is because

7236
04:22:58,360 --> 04:23:00,200
power is such a difficult thing to get.

7237
04:23:00,200 --> 04:23:01,160
I mean, that's the reason why you even

7238
04:23:01,160 --> 04:23:02,920
came into into this industry, right?

7239
04:23:02,920 --> 04:23:04,520
Based on the story you know, what you

7240
04:23:04,520 --> 04:23:06,080
just told us, right?

7241
04:23:06,080 --> 04:23:07,920
But they're adding that on. They And I

7242
04:23:07,920 --> 04:23:09,200
believe that's in West Jordan. Is that

7243
04:23:09,200 --> 04:23:10,280
correct?

7244
04:23:10,280 --> 04:23:11,480
>> Yeah.

7245
04:23:11,480 --> 04:23:12,960
>> So,

7246
04:23:12,960 --> 04:23:14,560
to be really clear,

7247
04:23:14,560 --> 04:23:16,400
what you're asking about doing here is

7248
04:23:16,400 --> 04:23:18,680
something that has never been done

7249
04:23:18,680 --> 04:23:21,040
anywhere before even using that platform

7250
04:23:21,040 --> 04:23:23,000
at this scale on a single site. Is that

7251
04:23:23,000 --> 04:23:23,560
correct?

7252
04:23:23,560 --> 04:23:24,880
>> That's true.

7253
04:23:24,880 --> 04:23:28,200
>> So, I'm just I'm just going to pause and tell you what my concern is about

7254
04:23:28,200 --> 04:23:31,280
that. My concern is that we've written a

7255
04:23:31,280 --> 04:23:36,000
Title 15 amendment to accommodate your plan.

7256
04:23:36,000 --> 04:23:38,800
And the water consumption story I'm just

7257
04:23:38,800 --> 04:23:40,800
going to say from my perspective sounds

7258
04:23:40,800 --> 04:23:43,360
awesome, right? I you I have long

7259
04:23:43,360 --> 04:23:44,760
showers. I probably consume well more

7260
04:23:44,760 --> 04:23:47,520
than that average stuff in my household.

7261
04:23:47,520 --> 04:23:49,880
The energy the energy situation though,

7262
04:23:49,880 --> 04:23:54,080
I think is something that is very unsure

7263
04:23:54,080 --> 04:23:56,320
in terms of of what can happen here.

7264
04:23:56,320 --> 04:23:57,960
The CO2 emissions that you're talking

7265
04:23:57,960 --> 04:23:59,800
about, those are real. Those may not

7266
04:23:59,800 --> 04:24:02,080
affect our health. Those may not even be

7267
04:24:02,080 --> 04:24:03,720
as regulated as much as we're looking at

7268
04:24:03,720 --> 04:24:04,440
and then with the current

7269
04:24:04,440 --> 04:24:06,120
administration, there may not be so much

7270
04:24:06,120 --> 04:24:07,880
concern about that. But the CO2

7271
04:24:07,880 --> 04:24:09,960
emissions that you're talking about, I

7272
04:24:09,960 --> 04:24:12,200
did some numbers here. I'd love

7273
04:24:12,200 --> 04:24:13,440
you know, we can say left and right

7274
04:24:13,440 --> 04:24:15,200
what's going on, but you're talking

7275
04:24:15,200 --> 04:24:16,840
about probably two or three X the amount

7276
04:24:16,840 --> 04:24:18,440
of CO2 emissions that come from everyone

7277
04:24:18,440 --> 04:24:21,040
driving cars here. Now, CO2 is different

7278
04:24:21,040 --> 04:24:22,760
than the than the

7279
04:24:22,760 --> 04:24:23,680
um

7280
04:24:23,680 --> 04:24:26,760
than the NOx or the the the smog

7281
04:24:26,760 --> 04:24:28,640
considering ones. And I will I will

7282
04:24:28,640 --> 04:24:31,960
grant your smog emissions exceptionally

7283
04:24:31,960 --> 04:24:33,680
low, right? So, for air quality,

7284
04:24:33,680 --> 04:24:35,920
breathability, PM2.5,

7285
04:24:35,920 --> 04:24:37,360
you're way better than those those cars

7286
04:24:37,360 --> 04:24:39,760
there. But, the CO2 emissions are real.

7287
04:24:39,760 --> 04:24:41,320
I think the political climate here in

7288
04:24:41,320 --> 04:24:43,320
Utah's maybe not so considerate not so

7289
04:24:43,320 --> 04:24:45,880
concerned about CO2 emissions, but CO2

7290
04:24:45,880 --> 04:24:47,880
emissions are greenhouse gases that

7291
04:24:47,880 --> 04:24:49,720
cause climate change.

7292
04:24:49,720 --> 04:24:51,040
And that's absolutely something you'll

7293
04:24:51,040 --> 04:24:52,640
you contribute to.

7294
04:24:52,640 --> 04:24:54,880
Now, that said, and and again yeah, I

7295
04:24:54,880 --> 04:24:56,000
don't mean it just just go in one

7296
04:24:56,000 --> 04:24:57,000
direction.

7297
04:24:57,000 --> 04:24:59,120
>> Am I in the right ballpark when I'm

7298
04:24:59,120 --> 04:25:00,600
talking about the CO2 emissions are

7299
04:25:00,600 --> 04:25:02,480
still they're still something that you

7300
04:25:02,480 --> 04:25:04,480
do, right? And probably at a volume that

7301
04:25:04,480 --> 04:25:07,000
would exceed the entire CO2 emissions of

7302
04:25:07,000 --> 04:25:08,400
everyone in Spanish Fork average

7303
04:25:08,400 --> 04:25:10,640
driving. Is that Are we I I I know you

7304
04:25:10,640 --> 04:25:11,960
probably haven't ran that, so I know I'm

7305
04:25:11,960 --> 04:25:12,920
putting you on the spot.

7306
04:25:12,920 --> 04:25:14,320
>> know if you if you want to talk about

7307
04:25:14,320 --> 04:25:17,560
it, Ryan. This is Ryan Mizzelle uh from Volition.

7308
04:25:17,560 --> 04:25:17,840
>> Okay.

7309
04:25:17,840 --> 04:25:18,960
>> Hello, Ryan.

7310
04:25:18,960 --> 04:25:20,920
>> Yeah. Hi, Ryan Mizzelle, head of

7311
04:25:20,920 --> 04:25:24,360
development. And um

7312
04:25:24,360 --> 04:25:26,508
Okay, so

7313
04:25:26,508 --> 04:25:26,720
>> [clears throat]

7314
04:25:26,720 --> 04:25:31,200
>> on the max system size, just to quantify

7315
04:25:31,200 --> 04:25:33,160
this, it's it's really about capital

7316
04:25:33,160 --> 04:25:34,280
expenditure.

7317
04:25:34,280 --> 04:25:34,720
>> Mhm.

7318
04:25:34,720 --> 04:25:35,880
>> So, when [clears throat]

7319
04:25:35,880 --> 04:25:38,440
uh a developer can come in and get

7320
04:25:38,440 --> 04:25:41,480
approved for a diesel generator,

7321
04:25:41,480 --> 04:25:44,840
it's much cheaper for them to uh stand

7322
04:25:44,840 --> 04:25:48,640
that up than to put, let's say, 50 MW of

7323
04:25:48,640 --> 04:25:49,760
Bloom.

7324
04:25:49,760 --> 04:25:51,000
>> Now, I understand. And I understand

7325
04:25:51,000 --> 04:25:52,000
you're not talking about diesel

7326
04:25:52,000 --> 04:25:53,280
generators here at all. And we're

7327
04:25:53,280 --> 04:25:54,840
talking about including that as an

7328
04:25:54,840 --> 04:25:55,600
exclusion.

7329
04:25:55,600 --> 04:25:58,320
>> Right, right. So, it's more on the

7330
04:25:58,320 --> 04:26:00,640
development side of let's try to make

7331
04:26:00,640 --> 04:26:03,600
this as cheap as possible than make this

7332
04:26:03,600 --> 04:26:07,000
as environmentally sustainable. So, cost

7333
04:26:07,000 --> 04:26:09,080
over um

7334
04:26:09,080 --> 04:26:10,560
you know, pollution.

7335
04:26:10,560 --> 04:26:10,680
>> But,

7336
04:26:10,680 --> 04:26:15,510
>> So, on on the um CO2 uh

7337
04:26:15,520 --> 04:26:18,960
there is no CO2 that it is uh emitted

7338
04:26:18,960 --> 04:26:21,680
from the system. These are the uh

7339
04:26:21,680 --> 04:26:24,440
pollutants that are shown up here. So,

7340
04:26:24,440 --> 04:26:27,160
that's uh uh, nitrous oxide, carbon

7341
04:26:27,160 --> 04:26:30,720
monoxide, volatile organic compounds,

7342
04:26:30,720 --> 04:26:32,840
uh, particulate matter, and uh,

7343
04:26:32,840 --> 04:26:36,120
sulfuric, um, dioxide.

7344
04:26:36,120 --> 04:26:37,200
What

7345
04:26:37,200 --> 04:26:40,240
you can you can equate these pollutants

7346
04:26:40,240 --> 04:26:44,800
into CO2 equivalent. So,

7347
04:26:44,800 --> 04:26:49,040
there are like multipliers to NOx or

7348
04:26:49,040 --> 04:26:51,720
carbon monoxide to create a CO2

7349
04:26:51,720 --> 04:26:54,160
equivalent of tonnage.

7350
04:26:54,160 --> 04:26:58,440
So, there isn't a direct CO2 coming out.

7351
04:26:58,440 --> 04:27:00,360
>> So, can So, can we say this is not

7352
04:27:00,360 --> 04:27:03,160
contributing at all to greenhouse gases?

7353
04:27:03,160 --> 04:27:06,640
>> No, no, and this is where we're

7354
04:27:06,640 --> 04:27:08,800
What you see on the screen here is what

7355
04:27:08,800 --> 04:27:12,080
the system will be uh, emitting into the

7356
04:27:12,080 --> 04:27:15,280
air uh, per year.

7357
04:27:15,280 --> 04:27:16,720
>> Could you give me a comparison from your

7358
04:27:16,720 --> 04:27:19,080
perspective on how these emissions

7359
04:27:19,080 --> 04:27:20,960
compare to say like

7360
04:27:20,960 --> 04:27:23,600
emissions from something else? Let's just then values that we can talk

7361
04:27:23,600 --> 04:27:24,200
about, right?

7362
04:27:24,200 --> 04:27:25,760
>> do Do we have the

7363
04:27:25,760 --> 04:27:29,520
>> I think I think the comparison is if we were running

7364
04:27:29,520 --> 04:27:30,560
three to four trucks out of the

7365
04:27:30,560 --> 04:27:32,840
facility, it's the same.

7366
04:27:32,840 --> 04:27:35,680
So, of course, this is not zero

7367
04:27:35,680 --> 04:27:36,680
emission. This isn't

7368
04:27:36,680 --> 04:27:38,560
>> Three to four trucks of of nitrous

7369
04:27:38,560 --> 04:27:39,440
oxide, right? Or

7370
04:27:39,440 --> 04:27:42,080
>> No, three If we had three or four diesel

7371
04:27:42,080 --> 04:27:43,404
trucks

7372
04:27:43,404 --> 04:27:43,480
>> [cough]

7373
04:27:43,480 --> 04:27:46,024
>> running in and out of that facility as a

7374
04:27:46,024 --> 04:27:47,280
[snorts]

7375
04:27:47,280 --> 04:27:49,080
delivery service,

7376
04:27:49,080 --> 04:27:50,280
that's

7377
04:27:50,280 --> 04:27:52,600
the same amount of emissions our entire

7378
04:27:52,600 --> 04:27:54,000
system produces.

7379
04:27:54,000 --> 04:27:55,400
>> For CO2?

7380
04:27:55,400 --> 04:27:57,560
>> All emissions.

7381
04:27:57,560 --> 04:27:59,800
So, th- this is something

7382
04:27:59,800 --> 04:28:01,200
that is

7383
04:28:01,200 --> 04:28:02,760
drastically

7384
04:28:02,760 --> 04:28:06,600
below any anything comparable and falls

7385
04:28:06,600 --> 04:28:11,400
below the state and local requirements.

7386
04:28:11,400 --> 04:28:13,160
So, we're

7387
04:28:13,160 --> 04:28:16,600
clean. This is a clean design.

7388
04:28:16,600 --> 04:28:18,160
It's not um,

7389
04:28:18,160 --> 04:28:21,680
zero, but it's very clean.

7390
04:28:21,680 --> 04:28:23,600
>> So, you're telling me the CO2 would be

7391
04:28:23,600 --> 04:28:25,760
equivalent to

7392
04:28:25,760 --> 04:28:27,160
one or two trucks.

7393
04:28:27,160 --> 04:28:27,880
>> Three or four trucks.

7394
04:28:27,880 --> 04:28:29,960
And that's it.

7395
04:28:29,960 --> 04:28:31,000
>> That's right.

7396
04:28:31,000 --> 04:28:32,560
>> So,

7397
04:28:32,560 --> 04:28:34,520
let's take a step back. There is a power

7398
04:28:34,520 --> 04:28:36,000
generation facility just south of here

7399
04:28:36,000 --> 04:28:39,040
in Payson. I think we're talking

7400
04:28:39,040 --> 04:28:42,480
about 120 um megawatts for that, right?

7401
04:28:42,480 --> 04:28:45,400
So, you're about twice the size of that thing's and I'm not sure on the

7402
04:28:45,400 --> 04:28:47,560
emission detail there, but just give a

7403
04:28:47,560 --> 04:28:50,600
sense, you're probably you're 2x that.

7404
04:28:50,600 --> 04:28:51,600
So, I guess the whole point I'm saying

7405
04:28:51,600 --> 04:28:54,640
is you're generating a lot of energy

7406
04:28:54,640 --> 04:28:55,480
here

7407
04:28:55,480 --> 04:28:55,840
>> That's right.

7408
04:28:55,840 --> 04:28:57,800
>> that could conceivably power

7409
04:28:57,800 --> 04:28:59,880
probably more than the entire town.

7410
04:28:59,880 --> 04:29:01,720
Can you give me a a per house comparison

7411
04:29:01,720 --> 04:29:03,120
to how much energy you're you're doing?

7412
04:29:03,120 --> 04:29:04,720
I guess if we said 90 right now for all

7413
04:29:04,720 --> 04:29:05,600
of Spanish Fork,

7414
04:29:05,600 --> 04:29:06,920
>> more than double.

7415
04:29:06,920 --> 04:29:08,320
We're more than double.

7416
04:29:08,320 --> 04:29:10,360
>> So, Paul, I'm just my question I think

7417
04:29:10,360 --> 04:29:12,440
to you is just the amount of power. I'm

7418
04:29:12,440 --> 04:29:15,240
not sure how that

7419
04:29:15,240 --> 04:29:18,120
matters if our system can produce that

7420
04:29:18,120 --> 04:29:20,200
power and produce it clean.

7421
04:29:20,200 --> 04:29:22,240
Um what I would say is that there is no

7422
04:29:22,240 --> 04:29:24,960
other scenario in Spanish Fork that

7423
04:29:24,960 --> 04:29:27,640
would ever accommodate, I think another

7424
04:29:27,640 --> 04:29:30,560
building like ours. Um

7425
04:29:30,560 --> 04:29:32,200
this is about the largest, you know,

7426
04:29:32,200 --> 04:29:33,640
property in the in the region. If

7427
04:29:33,640 --> 04:29:34,960
somebody came along and wanted to do

7428
04:29:34,960 --> 04:29:37,520
this also, uh they will have a very hard

7429
04:29:37,520 --> 04:29:39,960
time finding another location in Spanish

7430
04:29:39,960 --> 04:29:43,200
Fork that would accommodate this and uh

7431
04:29:43,200 --> 04:29:45,880
anytime from this point forward uh

7432
04:29:45,880 --> 04:29:48,160
because of supply chain, they won't even

7433
04:29:48,160 --> 04:29:50,640
have access to anything until 2028 or

7434
04:29:50,640 --> 04:29:51,480
2029.

7435
04:29:51,480 --> 04:29:52,840
>> and there's not going to be a rush here

7436
04:29:52,840 --> 04:29:53,920
in Spanish Fork.

7437
04:29:53,920 --> 04:29:54,960
>> And I know I'll question you on the

7438
04:29:54,960 --> 04:29:56,840
supply chain thing only because I'm

7439
04:29:56,840 --> 04:29:57,760
going to go out for a little second

7440
04:29:57,760 --> 04:29:59,760
here. You know, Elon Musk Musk built the

7441
04:29:59,760 --> 04:30:01,360
Colossus data center in Tennessee. Are

7442
04:30:01,360 --> 04:30:03,240
you familiar with how big that is

7443
04:30:03,240 --> 04:30:04,680
in terms of energy consumption?

7444
04:30:04,680 --> 04:30:06,000
>> Yeah, it's no comparison to us.

7445
04:30:06,000 --> 04:30:08,040
>> It's the exact same size. It's 250 to

7446
04:30:08,040 --> 04:30:09,160
300 kilowatts.

7447
04:30:09,160 --> 04:30:11,120
>> But it has no comparison to us. Totally

7448
04:30:11,120 --> 04:30:11,440
different scale.

7449
04:30:11,440 --> 04:30:12,920
>> In terms of its energy consumption, it

7450
04:30:12,920 --> 04:30:14,680
has no comparison. That's right. But in

7451
04:30:14,680 --> 04:30:16,720
terms of of power consumption, it's the

7452
04:30:16,720 --> 04:30:18,880
same size. So, I want to talk about what

7453
04:30:18,880 --> 04:30:20,560
that looks like. Just And this is like

7454
04:30:20,560 --> 04:30:23,000
maybe even just to level set this and

7455
04:30:23,000 --> 04:30:24,680
please everyone go ask these questions

7456
04:30:24,680 --> 04:30:26,400
if they're if they're right.

7457
04:30:26,400 --> 04:30:28,600
But, at that size

7458
04:30:28,600 --> 04:30:30,120
the actual revenue that they bring in

7459
04:30:30,120 --> 04:30:31,720
from an Anthropic

7460
04:30:31,720 --> 04:30:34,240
I I think they were running their own

7461
04:30:34,240 --> 04:30:36,440
Grok AI that wasn't necessarily popular,

7462
04:30:36,440 --> 04:30:38,600
right? They switched over to leasing

7463
04:30:38,600 --> 04:30:41,840
this out to Anthropic. Revenue was 1.5

7464
04:30:41,840 --> 04:30:44,840
billion per month for this lease. Now, I

7465
04:30:44,840 --> 04:30:46,880
The reason I bring this up is you are

7466
04:30:46,880 --> 04:30:50,280
playing in the space that Elon Musk

7467
04:30:50,280 --> 04:30:52,920
plays in. Elon Musk is the wealthiest

7468
04:30:52,920 --> 04:30:54,800
person in the world. And I do not say

7469
04:30:54,800 --> 04:30:56,560
this to be, you know, anything other

7470
04:30:56,560 --> 04:30:57,800
than

7471
04:30:57,800 --> 04:30:59,720
like you're competing in that space

7472
04:30:59,720 --> 04:31:01,600
right now. There's a lot of money that

7473
04:31:01,600 --> 04:31:03,400
drives this.

7474
04:31:03,400 --> 04:31:04,800
Which is I mean And this is quite a

7475
04:31:04,800 --> 04:31:06,640
challenge. I'm saying this is going to

7476
04:31:06,640 --> 04:31:09,360
be a difficult thing to land with all of

7477
04:31:09,360 --> 04:31:11,320
these infrastructure concerns, with all

7478
04:31:11,320 --> 04:31:15,000
these supply constraint concerns.

7479
04:31:15,000 --> 04:31:17,720
We give you that opening.

7480
04:31:17,720 --> 04:31:18,920
The opening might not just be for you,

7481
04:31:18,920 --> 04:31:20,600
right? The opening might be for whoever

7482
04:31:20,600 --> 04:31:22,280
else wants to come in here.

7483
04:31:22,280 --> 04:31:23,800
The other question I would have for you

7484
04:31:23,800 --> 04:31:26,360
and you say there's supply constraint um

7485
04:31:26,360 --> 04:31:28,720
constraints that could keep others. Are

7486
04:31:28,720 --> 04:31:30,520
you looking at other parts of town if

7487
04:31:30,520 --> 04:31:32,680
this were to be opened up?

7488
04:31:32,680 --> 04:31:34,320
The reason I ask that is when I go and

7489
04:31:34,320 --> 04:31:36,760
consume AWS services, they give me three

7490
04:31:36,760 --> 04:31:38,720
availability zones or four availability

7491
04:31:38,720 --> 04:31:40,320
zones or whatever they are. And what an

7492
04:31:40,320 --> 04:31:42,320
availability zone matches to is yet

7493
04:31:42,320 --> 04:31:47,520
another data center that is close to that data center, right? So, I

7494
04:31:47,520 --> 04:31:49,040
can have multiple availability. Now, I

7495
04:31:49,040 --> 04:31:50,840
get GPU consumption is different than

7496
04:31:50,840 --> 04:31:52,800
availability zones.

7497
04:31:52,800 --> 04:31:53,920
But,

7498
04:31:53,920 --> 04:31:55,120
what you could say is if you were

7499
04:31:55,120 --> 04:31:57,600
offering the Spanish Fork data center,

7500
04:31:57,600 --> 04:31:59,760
right? The provided services, you could

7501
04:31:59,760 --> 04:32:01,600
offer multiple availability zones which

7502
04:32:01,600 --> 04:32:03,320
could be in other portions of the town.

7503
04:32:03,320 --> 04:32:04,600
Is that something that's that you've

7504
04:32:04,600 --> 04:32:06,040
considered?

7505
04:32:06,040 --> 04:32:07,600
>> No.

7506
04:32:07,600 --> 04:32:08,480
>> Okay. That's

7507
04:32:08,480 --> 04:32:10,440
>> we I I'm

7508
04:32:10,440 --> 04:32:11,640
>> But, you get what I You know what say.

7509
04:32:11,640 --> 04:32:13,080
There is a property in Stockman Flats

7510
04:32:13,080 --> 04:32:15,480
that could work.

7511
04:32:15,480 --> 04:32:17,320
So we've identified another place that

7512
04:32:17,320 --> 04:32:19,400
could potentially work on a smaller

7513
04:32:19,400 --> 04:32:21,040
scale. So I'm not sure if that's exactly

7514
04:32:21,040 --> 04:32:21,880
what you're asking.

7515
04:32:21,880 --> 04:32:22,680
>> Yeah, I'm just saying it like

7516
04:32:22,680 --> 04:32:24,800
>> We we see two locations that could work

7517
04:32:24,800 --> 04:32:25,960
in Spanish Fork.

7518
04:32:25,960 --> 04:32:27,200
>> And you're considering both of them just

7519
04:32:27,200 --> 04:32:28,520
for kind of one or are you considering

7520
04:32:28,520 --> 04:32:31,080
both of them for a sort of we do 50%

7521
04:32:31,080 --> 04:32:34,040
here or 70% here and another 20% here?

7522
04:32:34,040 --> 04:32:35,400
Is that Is that right?

7523
04:32:35,400 --> 04:32:37,000
>> think we're looking at it that way. Um

7524
04:32:37,000 --> 04:32:38,440
regardless of what else is going on the

7525
04:32:38,440 --> 04:32:39,920
industry and Elon, those none of those

7526
04:32:39,920 --> 04:32:41,000
things apply to us at all.

7527
04:32:41,000 --> 04:32:42,040
>> No, no, no. I

7528
04:32:42,040 --> 04:32:44,080
I'm going to take exception. They do

7529
04:32:44,080 --> 04:32:45,280
apply. Yeah, go ahead.

7530
04:32:45,280 --> 04:32:47,000
>> They don't apply to us at all

7531
04:32:47,000 --> 04:32:49,480
in the sense that we currently have more

7532
04:32:49,480 --> 04:32:52,200
demand than we could fill in the next 10

7533
04:32:52,200 --> 04:32:54,360
years. So whatever whatever you want and

7534
04:32:54,360 --> 04:32:55,640
everybody else does, it doesn't matter.

7535
04:32:55,640 --> 04:32:57,440
We're Volition is carving out its own

7536
04:32:57,440 --> 04:32:58,960
little niche in the in the industry. We

7537
04:32:58,960 --> 04:33:01,320
hope to be a leader in really great

7538
04:33:01,320 --> 04:33:03,600
design so that we're we're better output

7539
04:33:03,600 --> 04:33:05,600
than any of those designs.

7540
04:33:05,600 --> 04:33:07,760
But what they do and where they do it is

7541
04:33:07,760 --> 04:33:08,760
irrelevant to us.

7542
04:33:08,760 --> 04:33:10,279
>> I would take exception with what happens

7543
04:33:10,279 --> 04:33:11,840
in the industry doesn't affect you. It

7544
04:33:11,840 --> 04:33:14,119
affects all of us. The price of price of

7545
04:33:14,119 --> 04:33:15,881
semiconductors, price of everything.

7546
04:33:15,881 --> 04:33:18,119
>> I'm saying that for our business model

7547
04:33:18,119 --> 04:33:20,240
and where we intend to go,

7548
04:33:20,240 --> 04:33:23,480
those other developments

7549
04:33:23,480 --> 04:33:25,400
we're we're not concerned about and

7550
04:33:25,400 --> 04:33:27,000
we'll manage the supply chain and if

7551
04:33:27,000 --> 04:33:28,400
certain things have to be delayed,

7552
04:33:28,400 --> 04:33:29,000
they're delayed.

7553
04:33:29,000 --> 04:33:31,039
>> What differentiates you from an Oracle?

7554
04:33:31,039 --> 04:33:32,279
Cuz Oracle's literally trying to do the

7555
04:33:32,279 --> 04:33:34,920
same thing right in New Mexico, right?

7556
04:33:34,920 --> 04:33:38,641
>> Oracle is a massive software company. We

7557
04:33:38,641 --> 04:33:39,561
are not.

7558
04:33:39,561 --> 04:33:41,199
>> They're also a hyperscaler.

7559
04:33:41,199 --> 04:33:41,920
>> That's right.

7560
04:33:41,920 --> 04:33:42,840
>> And they've been doing that for a

7561
04:33:42,840 --> 04:33:43,359
decade.

7562
04:33:43,359 --> 04:33:44,400
>> Right, and we're not a hyperscaler.

7563
04:33:44,400 --> 04:33:45,961
>> They're a hyperscaler like Microsoft or

7564
04:33:45,961 --> 04:33:46,359
AWS.

7565
04:33:46,359 --> 04:33:47,080
>> And we are not that.

7566
04:33:47,080 --> 04:33:48,721
>> I mean, not quite at the level, right?

7567
04:33:48,721 --> 04:33:50,240
>> Yeah, we're just a little company.

7568
04:33:50,240 --> 04:33:53,199
>> One, how do you as a little company

7569
04:33:53,199 --> 04:33:54,840
succeed in this? Cuz you are you are

7570
04:33:54,840 --> 04:33:56,760
playing with all the big players.

7571
04:33:56,760 --> 04:33:58,240
>> Yeah, we'll do fine.

7572
04:33:58,240 --> 04:34:00,160
>> Okay, I have a question.

7573
04:34:00,160 --> 04:34:02,000
>> This goes along with this.

7574
04:34:02,000 --> 04:34:05,400
Um one is how many data centers do you

7575
04:34:05,400 --> 04:34:06,881
have?

7576
04:34:06,881 --> 04:34:08,680
I It's kind of two. How many do you

7577
04:34:08,680 --> 04:34:10,961
have? How big are they compared to what

7578
04:34:10,961 --> 04:34:14,480
you're proposing? And what hang-ups have

7579
04:34:14,480 --> 04:34:16,801
you had and how have you resolved them?

7580
04:34:16,801 --> 04:34:18,000
That's three questions, I guess.

7581
04:34:18,000 --> 04:34:18,641
>> Yeah.

7582
04:34:18,641 --> 04:34:20,561
So, Volition as a brand, this is the

7583
04:34:20,561 --> 04:34:22,641
first data center as a brand.

7584
04:34:22,641 --> 04:34:24,881
Our team [snorts] has built

7585
04:34:24,881 --> 04:34:27,480
uh over 500 MW of data centers and our

7586
04:34:27,480 --> 04:34:28,641
team

7587
04:34:28,641 --> 04:34:30,199
is the same team that just finished the

7588
04:34:30,199 --> 04:34:31,961
Nova data center here that's all the

7589
04:34:31,961 --> 04:34:35,600
same closed-loop direct-to-chip cooling,

7590
04:34:35,600 --> 04:34:37,721
Big Construction, Spectrum Engineering.

7591
04:34:37,721 --> 04:34:41,881
Those are all our extended team. So, so

7592
04:34:41,881 --> 04:34:43,641
we have a world-class team of

7593
04:34:43,641 --> 04:34:46,480
contractors and developers

7594
04:34:46,480 --> 04:34:49,199
um and engineers and supply chain

7595
04:34:49,199 --> 04:34:51,600
experts. Um Hunt Electric happens to be

7596
04:34:51,600 --> 04:34:53,320
one of the greatest

7597
04:34:53,320 --> 04:34:55,039
uh kind of supply chain partners you can

7598
04:34:55,039 --> 04:34:56,561
find in in the world. They're

7599
04:34:56,561 --> 04:34:57,840
phenomenal.

7600
04:34:57,840 --> 04:35:00,920
So, the team collectively

7601
04:35:00,920 --> 04:35:03,320
has built hundreds of megawatts.

7602
04:35:03,320 --> 04:35:05,480
Volition was formed exactly for this

7603
04:35:05,480 --> 04:35:07,881
purpose only 3 years ago and it has

7604
04:35:07,881 --> 04:35:10,721
taken us these two years or so to

7605
04:35:10,721 --> 04:35:12,600
develop the relationships with the major

7606
04:35:12,600 --> 04:35:14,920
brands in the industry to the point that

7607
04:35:14,920 --> 04:35:18,080
now we have uh more backlog than we can

7608
04:35:18,080 --> 04:35:19,961
manage because of the approach that

7609
04:35:19,961 --> 04:35:21,400
we're taking.

7610
04:35:21,400 --> 04:35:24,160
Um challenges

7611
04:35:24,160 --> 04:35:27,199
this is a complicated business and uh

7612
04:35:27,199 --> 04:35:28,721
it's funny cuz my brother owns a donut

7613
04:35:28,721 --> 04:35:31,840
shop called Bismark Donuts in Orem and I

7614
04:35:31,840 --> 04:35:33,359
told him I should have just got into the

7615
04:35:33,359 --> 04:35:35,119
donut business with you.

7616
04:35:35,119 --> 04:35:39,000
Um this is a complicated business and um

7617
04:35:39,000 --> 04:35:41,920
so, we have to manage the relationship

7618
04:35:41,920 --> 04:35:43,680
with a community.

7619
04:35:43,680 --> 04:35:44,760
Um

7620
04:35:44,760 --> 04:35:46,641
that's where it starts.

7621
04:35:46,641 --> 04:35:46,801
Uh

7622
04:35:46,801 --> 04:35:46,961
>> [snorts]

7623
04:35:46,961 --> 04:35:49,561
>> then we have to manage uh the

7624
04:35:49,561 --> 04:35:52,359
construction of a massive project.

7625
04:35:52,359 --> 04:35:54,680
Embedded in that is supply chain and

7626
04:35:54,680 --> 04:35:56,400
managing your schedules on when

7627
04:35:56,400 --> 04:35:57,920
something may or may not be delayed and

7628
04:35:57,920 --> 04:36:01,000
how that will not implode a project, but

7629
04:36:01,000 --> 04:36:05,520
push a project out where the demand for

7630
04:36:05,520 --> 04:36:07,721
this data space from

7631
04:36:07,721 --> 04:36:10,920
a Google or from a Fortune 500 company

7632
04:36:10,920 --> 04:36:13,359
that may reside in our building,

7633
04:36:13,359 --> 04:36:16,080
they want they want the space now. And

7634
04:36:16,080 --> 04:36:18,480
so, trying to keep them happy with the

7635
04:36:18,480 --> 04:36:22,320
reality of a schedule is is a challenge.

7636
04:36:22,320 --> 04:36:24,961
And to say nothing about the massive

7637
04:36:24,961 --> 04:36:27,840
capital-E capital-intensive nature of

7638
04:36:27,840 --> 04:36:30,439
this business. So, we work with capital

7639
04:36:30,439 --> 04:36:32,641
partners all over the world who sit

7640
04:36:32,641 --> 04:36:37,199
behind our design as debt and equity

7641
04:36:37,199 --> 04:36:39,240
providers and partners

7642
04:36:39,240 --> 04:36:42,359
in the project. So,

7643
04:36:42,359 --> 04:36:45,680
there's a lot of moving parts. Um

7644
04:36:45,680 --> 04:36:47,359
but we have a phenomenal team and we

7645
04:36:47,359 --> 04:36:51,199
have great support. Um and wherever we

7646
04:36:51,199 --> 04:36:53,561
build our first locations,

7647
04:36:53,561 --> 04:36:54,881
uh they'll get built they'll they'll be

7648
04:36:54,881 --> 04:36:57,119
great they'll be great facilities.

7649
04:36:57,119 --> 04:36:59,320
>> And you have others. So,

7650
04:36:59,320 --> 04:37:01,080
wherever you build your first location,

7651
04:37:01,080 --> 04:37:05,119
is Spanish Fork if this is approved, Spanish Fork would

7652
04:37:05,119 --> 04:37:08,080
be your first location or you have some

7653
04:37:08,080 --> 04:37:09,801
others that are

7654
04:37:09,801 --> 04:37:13,279
approved, being built, or is Spanish

7655
04:37:13,279 --> 04:37:13,400
Fork

7656
04:37:13,400 --> 04:37:15,480
>> There's four there's probably four

7657
04:37:15,480 --> 04:37:17,320
others that are in initial what we would

7658
04:37:17,320 --> 04:37:19,811
call pre

7659
04:37:19,811 --> 04:37:20,080
>> [snorts]

7660
04:37:20,080 --> 04:37:22,801
>> pre-engineering, pre-approval. There's

7661
04:37:22,801 --> 04:37:25,240
San Jose, California. There's

7662
04:37:25,240 --> 04:37:26,760
um [snorts]

7663
04:37:26,760 --> 04:37:29,840
we're looking at a

7664
04:37:29,840 --> 04:37:32,721
um facility in potentially in Austin,

7665
04:37:32,721 --> 04:37:34,119
Texas.

7666
04:37:34,119 --> 04:37:34,881
So, [snorts]

7667
04:37:34,881 --> 04:37:38,199
we're unique in that uh a customer, for

7668
04:37:38,199 --> 04:37:41,039
example, a public company called Akamai

7669
04:37:41,039 --> 04:37:42,920
um is working with us on a totally

7670
04:37:42,920 --> 04:37:44,701
different and they've said, "We're

7671
04:37:44,701 --> 04:37:46,400
[snorts] looking for five locations."

7672
04:37:46,400 --> 04:37:48,561
So, these are the regions. So, we're

7673
04:37:48,561 --> 04:37:50,240
with Akamai right now. We're working on

7674
04:37:50,240 --> 04:37:53,199
finding appropriate locations.

7675
04:37:53,199 --> 04:37:55,039
And most of them will end up being

7676
04:37:55,039 --> 04:37:56,840
smaller than this. They'll be in the

7677
04:37:56,840 --> 04:38:00,561
25-50 megawatt range on our ongoing kind

7678
04:38:00,561 --> 04:38:03,400
of national expansion.

7679
04:38:03,400 --> 04:38:05,721
I think over the next 5 or 6 years, uh

7680
04:38:05,721 --> 04:38:08,281
we probably will have four

7681
04:38:08,281 --> 04:38:08,320
>> [snorts]

7682
04:38:08,320 --> 04:38:11,359
>> four or five locations in Utah.

7683
04:38:11,359 --> 04:38:12,359
>> Okay.

7684
04:38:12,359 --> 04:38:13,920
>> Jeff, uh

7685
04:38:13,920 --> 04:38:15,561
what are what are you actually planning

7686
04:38:15,561 --> 04:38:17,641
on putting here? Is it is it GPUs

7687
04:38:17,641 --> 04:38:19,480
exclusively? Are you talking about maybe

7688
04:38:19,480 --> 04:38:21,000
a more traditional

7689
04:38:21,000 --> 04:38:22,801
>> It's all G, yeah. High-density compute.

7690
04:38:22,801 --> 04:38:23,881
>> All high-density compute.

7691
04:38:23,881 --> 04:38:24,080
>> Yeah.

7692
04:38:24,080 --> 04:38:27,561
>> GPUs uh it are going to be a major component of

7693
04:38:27,561 --> 04:38:27,760
that.

7694
04:38:27,760 --> 04:38:28,760
>> Nvidia, yeah.

7695
04:38:28,760 --> 04:38:29,561
>> So

7696
04:38:29,561 --> 04:38:30,920
>> And the other thing that's of note cuz

7697
04:38:30,920 --> 04:38:33,721
it's a topic, we we do not allow we

7698
04:38:33,721 --> 04:38:35,400
don't do any work for the US government

7699
04:38:35,400 --> 04:38:37,279
and we don't do any work for anybody

7700
04:38:37,279 --> 04:38:38,881
involved in surveillance, whether they

7701
04:38:38,881 --> 04:38:39,920
are

7702
04:38:39,920 --> 04:38:41,080
um

7703
04:38:41,080 --> 04:38:42,920
private or public.

7704
04:38:42,920 --> 04:38:45,199
>> Your main your main customer that that's

7705
04:38:45,199 --> 04:38:47,641
going to be here for this product I I'm

7706
04:38:47,641 --> 04:38:49,760
just inferring, but are we talking

7707
04:38:49,760 --> 04:38:53,000
Anthropic or Open AI at some point?

7708
04:38:53,000 --> 04:38:55,600
>> Um neither of those are in play for this

7709
04:38:55,600 --> 04:38:57,400
building now. We've had conversations,

7710
04:38:57,400 --> 04:38:59,961
but there's no Open AI Open AI or

7711
04:38:59,961 --> 04:39:01,641
Anthropic planning to come into this

7712
04:39:01,641 --> 04:39:02,080
building.

7713
04:39:02,080 --> 04:39:03,279
>> Who are you talking about? Or I don't

7714
04:39:03,279 --> 04:39:04,760
>> I I wouldn't get into the details, I

7715
04:39:04,760 --> 04:39:05,600
can't.

7716
04:39:05,600 --> 04:39:05,760
>> Yeah.

7717
04:39:05,760 --> 04:39:08,439
>> But but I can answer that.

7718
04:39:08,439 --> 04:39:09,600
So

7719
04:39:09,600 --> 04:39:10,080
yeah.

7720
04:39:10,080 --> 04:39:12,359
>> Capital investment, I mean

7721
04:39:12,359 --> 04:39:14,840
we're talking huge dollar amounts.

7722
04:39:14,840 --> 04:39:15,160
>> Mhm.

7723
04:39:15,160 --> 04:39:16,160
>> You have this lined up?

7724
04:39:16,160 --> 04:39:17,279
>> Yes.

7725
04:39:17,279 --> 04:39:19,039
>> And and who are these I don't know what

7726
04:39:19,039 --> 04:39:21,320
you can disclose, but I'm obviously

7727
04:39:21,320 --> 04:39:22,600
going to ask as much as I can ask on

7728
04:39:22,600 --> 04:39:22,961
that.

7729
04:39:22,961 --> 04:39:23,600
>> Oh, yeah.

7730
04:39:23,600 --> 04:39:25,881
>> Cuz I mean that's what makes the

7731
04:39:25,881 --> 04:39:27,439
I got to say it, like in this day and

7732
04:39:27,439 --> 04:39:29,359
age, this is a race, right? This is this

7733
04:39:29,359 --> 04:39:31,039
is a competition, it's a international

7734
04:39:31,039 --> 04:39:33,039
competition, it's a competition between

7735
04:39:33,039 --> 04:39:34,721
hyperscalers and everyone, and there's a

7736
04:39:34,721 --> 04:39:36,240
lot of money that's driving this market.

7737
04:39:36,240 --> 04:39:39,120
We literally had the highest what? Value

7738
04:39:39,120 --> 04:39:42,160
of the Dow two or three days ago based

7739
04:39:42,160 --> 04:39:45,080
in large part on this this sort of this

7740
04:39:45,080 --> 04:39:47,120
I don't know if I'd call it speculation.

7741
04:39:47,120 --> 04:39:50,520
But I mean, are you financed?

7742
04:39:50,520 --> 04:39:52,840
>> We're cap we're capitalized. So, we have

7743
04:39:52,840 --> 04:39:55,160
local partners, um but we work I have a

7744
04:39:55,160 --> 04:39:57,600
long history of uh capital relationships

7745
04:39:57,600 --> 04:40:00,240
primarily in Manhattan.

7746
04:40:00,240 --> 04:40:02,080
So, if you know who Jefferies is,

7747
04:40:02,080 --> 04:40:03,480
they're a major

7748
04:40:03,480 --> 04:40:05,000
uh one of the leading bankers in the

7749
04:40:05,000 --> 04:40:07,960
world. They are our primary uh kind of

7750
04:40:07,960 --> 04:40:10,840
broker, our investment banker, and they

7751
04:40:10,840 --> 04:40:15,280
take our project into a wide range of,

7752
04:40:15,280 --> 04:40:17,280
you know, capital markets that

7753
04:40:17,280 --> 04:40:20,160
specifically fund in the billions into

7754
04:40:20,160 --> 04:40:21,840
data center infrastructure. So, that's

7755
04:40:21,840 --> 04:40:24,520
how we're backed.

7756
04:40:24,520 --> 04:40:25,800
>> I'll I'll make one comment about what

7757
04:40:25,800 --> 04:40:26,720
you said about reaching out to the

7758
04:40:26,720 --> 04:40:27,760
community.

7759
04:40:27,760 --> 04:40:31,200
I don't think that Sam Altman's or the

7760
04:40:31,200 --> 04:40:32,160
um

7761
04:40:32,160 --> 04:40:34,120
Dario Amodei, you know, this is

7762
04:40:34,120 --> 04:40:37,000
Anthropic and and and OpenAI's did much

7763
04:40:37,000 --> 04:40:40,960
service towards AI as being um

7764
04:40:40,960 --> 04:40:42,560
I don't know, from a from a public

7765
04:40:42,560 --> 04:40:44,320
relations perspective.

7766
04:40:44,320 --> 04:40:45,400
>> this all. [clears throat]

7767
04:40:45,400 --> 04:40:46,640
>> And they were explicit that this is

7768
04:40:46,640 --> 04:40:48,600
going to take away jobs, that all this

7769
04:40:48,600 --> 04:40:50,960
automation is going to um make it so we

7770
04:40:50,960 --> 04:40:52,360
can do all sorts of things, but the

7771
04:40:52,360 --> 04:40:53,840
primary thing was going to was going to

7772
04:40:53,840 --> 04:40:56,280
actually take away jobs. Um I think

7773
04:40:56,280 --> 04:40:57,800
they've changed their tune quite a bit

7774
04:40:57,800 --> 04:40:59,000
because I don't think that's played out

7775
04:40:59,000 --> 04:41:00,548
particularly well for them.

7776
04:41:00,548 --> 04:41:00,880
>> [clears throat]

7777
04:41:00,880 --> 04:41:02,560
>> Um I guess I just want to make this

7778
04:41:02,560 --> 04:41:04,040
comment, and and you've made this as

7779
04:41:04,040 --> 04:41:05,680
well, and if you have any other comments

7780
04:41:05,680 --> 04:41:06,800
on this,

7781
04:41:06,800 --> 04:41:09,280
when we were talking about before 2022,

7782
04:41:09,280 --> 04:41:10,640
that's really when the world changed,

7783
04:41:10,640 --> 04:41:12,760
right? That's when we had generative AI,

7784
04:41:12,760 --> 04:41:14,640
and that's when GPUs went from, I don't

7785
04:41:14,640 --> 04:41:17,000
know, being video game providers and

7786
04:41:17,000 --> 04:41:19,240
Bitcoin miners to actually providing

7787
04:41:19,240 --> 04:41:20,800
generative AI, which is something I'm

7788
04:41:20,800 --> 04:41:22,440
sure many of us in here have used and is

7789
04:41:22,440 --> 04:41:23,680
really where all this value is coming

7790
04:41:23,680 --> 04:41:25,240
from.

7791
04:41:25,240 --> 04:41:27,960
Once that changed, the fundamental

7792
04:41:27,960 --> 04:41:29,720
mechanics of data centers were entirely

7793
04:41:29,720 --> 04:41:34,000
different. The power consumption, the reason why I I I think even the

7794
04:41:34,000 --> 04:41:35,200
reason for you doing what you're doing

7795
04:41:35,200 --> 04:41:36,960
has changed to that just because

7796
04:41:36,960 --> 04:41:39,720
generative AI requires a lot of

7797
04:41:39,720 --> 04:41:41,120
electricity.

7798
04:41:41,120 --> 04:41:42,560
Um

7799
04:41:42,560 --> 04:41:44,200
and so I think I think there can be a

7800
04:41:44,200 --> 04:41:46,320
lot of misinformation out there,

7801
04:41:46,320 --> 04:41:49,760
but at the same time, like you are

7802
04:41:49,760 --> 04:41:51,080
for lack of a better term, a pioneer

7803
04:41:51,080 --> 04:41:52,120
here.

7804
04:41:52,120 --> 04:41:53,920
And pioneering is

7805
04:41:53,920 --> 04:41:55,320
I would say

7806
04:41:55,320 --> 04:41:57,520
risk, full of risk,

7807
04:41:57,520 --> 04:41:59,320
full of unknowns. And perhaps the

7808
04:41:59,320 --> 04:42:01,840
biggest thing I I I question, and again,

7809
04:42:01,840 --> 04:42:02,880
I think I think you've done a great

7810
04:42:02,880 --> 04:42:04,000
presentation here, but the biggest thing

7811
04:42:04,000 --> 04:42:06,440
I question is the operational expertise

7812
04:42:06,440 --> 04:42:08,400
to execute on this. That comes with

7813
04:42:08,400 --> 04:42:10,640
time, that comes with experience, and

7814
04:42:10,640 --> 04:42:12,160
that's something that I think even, you

7815
04:42:12,160 --> 04:42:13,480
know, even those who have this

7816
04:42:13,480 --> 04:42:15,680
experience can struggle with quite a

7817
04:42:15,680 --> 04:42:17,280
bit. That's one of the concerns I have.

7818
04:42:17,280 --> 04:42:18,760
So, sorry, I I I kind of went off on a

7819
04:42:18,760 --> 04:42:19,480
tangent there.

7820
04:42:19,480 --> 04:42:20,800
>> that's okay. One thing that's hard to

7821
04:42:20,800 --> 04:42:22,240
see is that you get this little group of

7822
04:42:22,240 --> 04:42:23,840
people coming in here. We're kind of,

7823
04:42:23,840 --> 04:42:25,200
you know, we're

7824
04:42:25,200 --> 04:42:27,080
off out here in Utah. We're not in the

7825
04:42:27,080 --> 04:42:29,640
center of of so many things.

7826
04:42:29,640 --> 04:42:31,800
Uh however, it's occurred, um our little

7827
04:42:31,800 --> 04:42:33,720
company has happens to be at the center

7828
04:42:33,720 --> 04:42:34,720
of

7829
04:42:34,720 --> 04:42:36,320
all of the major companies that are

7830
04:42:36,320 --> 04:42:37,600
involved in this industry. So, for

7831
04:42:37,600 --> 04:42:41,560
example, um our architecture, um our

7832
04:42:41,560 --> 04:42:44,920
design, um happens in concert with, for

7833
04:42:44,920 --> 04:42:47,880
example, the Nvidia team. So, when you

7834
04:42:47,880 --> 04:42:50,720
look at conversations around we're going

7835
04:42:50,720 --> 04:42:53,360
to put 250 MW of Bloom, and nobody has

7836
04:42:53,360 --> 04:42:55,080
done that yet. But what you do have

7837
04:42:55,080 --> 04:42:57,680
behind that is a whole industry that has

7838
04:42:57,680 --> 04:43:01,000
spent several years validating Bloom,

7839
04:43:01,000 --> 04:43:03,520
testing it, its workload capacity, and

7840
04:43:03,520 --> 04:43:06,360
you now have every company in the world

7841
04:43:06,360 --> 04:43:08,200
puts their stamp of approval. Meaning,

7842
04:43:08,200 --> 04:43:10,280
if you say to Nvidia, and Nvidia will be

7843
04:43:10,280 --> 04:43:11,840
a part of our building,

7844
04:43:11,840 --> 04:43:14,640
that we're going to build 25 MW 100%

7845
04:43:14,640 --> 04:43:17,640
powered by Bloom, they say, "We're in."

7846
04:43:17,640 --> 04:43:21,280
So, while this is we're one of the We

7847
04:43:21,280 --> 04:43:23,240
were one of the earliest groups in with

7848
04:43:23,240 --> 04:43:25,680
Bloom saying this is what we want to do.

7849
04:43:25,680 --> 04:43:26,880
Now, there's a bunch of people doing

7850
04:43:26,880 --> 04:43:28,280
something similar, but we were having

7851
04:43:28,280 --> 04:43:30,360
this conversation many years ago.

7852
04:43:30,360 --> 04:43:35,400
And so, the industry has fully validated

7853
04:43:35,400 --> 04:43:38,360
um the fact that these fuel cells run on

7854
04:43:38,360 --> 04:43:41,120
what we call a 59 reliability. That

7855
04:43:41,120 --> 04:43:45,590
means that they're running

7856
04:43:45,600 --> 04:43:49,200
of the time and they have been doing so

7857
04:43:49,200 --> 04:43:51,200
for over 10 years in a variety of

7858
04:43:51,200 --> 04:43:53,000
environments. So, I'm just letting you

7859
04:43:53,000 --> 04:43:54,840
know that we have a we have a 99.999%

7860
04:43:54,840 --> 04:43:55,440
reliability.

7861
04:43:55,440 --> 04:43:57,240
>> if if I mean again, let's see who gets

7862
04:43:57,240 --> 04:43:58,760
there. But what you're talking about if

7863
04:43:58,760 --> 04:44:00,040
you could execute and deliver in a year

7864
04:44:00,040 --> 04:44:02,240
or two, you'd be a pioneer in this.

7865
04:44:02,240 --> 04:44:03,680
>> Well, we are.

7866
04:44:03,680 --> 04:44:05,040
>> Absolutely. And so I'm

7867
04:44:05,040 --> 04:44:07,640
>> No, we're we're small but we're leading

7868
04:44:07,640 --> 04:44:09,840
in the industry. Um there is things

7869
04:44:09,840 --> 04:44:11,600
happening that will cause our little

7870
04:44:11,600 --> 04:44:13,240
company to be known

7871
04:44:13,240 --> 04:44:15,720
uh worldwide. We're Fortune magazine is

7872
04:44:15,720 --> 04:44:17,880
doing an article on us right now. So,

7873
04:44:17,880 --> 04:44:20,040
we're kind of unknown but we're soon not

7874
04:44:20,040 --> 04:44:21,440
going to be. Um

7875
04:44:21,440 --> 04:44:23,240
and I think part of that is just because

7876
04:44:23,240 --> 04:44:25,960
we we have really great partners that

7877
04:44:25,960 --> 04:44:27,440
we're tied to so that we can execute

7878
04:44:27,440 --> 04:44:29,320
this well. When it comes to like the

7879
04:44:29,320 --> 04:44:31,520
long-term operation, again, that's a

7880
04:44:31,520 --> 04:44:33,040
scenario where

7881
04:44:33,040 --> 04:44:36,760
uh initially we we hire third parties

7882
04:44:36,760 --> 04:44:38,520
that have been running the day in and

7883
04:44:38,520 --> 04:44:40,920
day out monitoring of a data center, you

7884
04:44:40,920 --> 04:44:43,840
know, for 30 years. So, anybody there's

7885
04:44:43,840 --> 04:44:47,400
nobody who will be new or elementary at

7886
04:44:47,400 --> 04:44:49,480
any any part of our operation.

7887
04:44:49,480 --> 04:44:51,320
>> I want to ask one more and I could go on

7888
04:44:51,320 --> 04:44:53,480
forever so I'll try to stop here and let

7889
04:44:53,480 --> 04:44:55,920
the others speak. But the one question I

7890
04:44:55,920 --> 04:44:58,760
have um that I've heard um

7891
04:44:58,760 --> 04:45:00,920
heat. What sort of heat effect will this

7892
04:45:00,920 --> 04:45:03,520
have? Could this change Like I like not

7893
04:45:03,520 --> 04:45:05,040
emissions but I'm actually talking about

7894
04:45:05,040 --> 04:45:05,640
actual heat.

7895
04:45:05,640 --> 04:45:08,360
>> it. If you'll go beyond where it says

7896
04:45:08,360 --> 04:45:13,110
thank you, there's an appendix.

7897
04:45:13,120 --> 04:45:14,880
Okay. [clears throat]

7898
04:45:14,880 --> 04:45:17,312
Um

7899
04:45:17,312 --> 04:45:17,720
>> [cough]

7900
04:45:17,720 --> 04:45:20,600
>> So, heat on this property with this

7901
04:45:20,600 --> 04:45:22,280
technology is fairly

7902
04:45:22,280 --> 04:45:24,518
uh complicated because we have

7903
04:45:24,518 --> 04:45:24,920
>> [clears throat]

7904
04:45:24,920 --> 04:45:27,680
>> we have um

7905
04:45:27,680 --> 04:45:30,800
we have heat coming off of the cooling.

7906
04:45:30,800 --> 04:45:31,800
Um

7907
04:45:31,800 --> 04:45:34,840
we have heat coming off of the fuel

7908
04:45:34,840 --> 04:45:36,040
cell.

7909
04:45:36,040 --> 04:45:39,080
Um we also integrate heat capture. So,

7910
04:45:39,080 --> 04:45:41,080
there's a whole lot of the heat that

7911
04:45:41,080 --> 04:45:45,600
comes out of this system that never hits the atmosphere. We pull it

7912
04:45:45,600 --> 04:45:47,920
directly back into our system as another

7913
04:45:47,920 --> 04:45:50,480
part of our efficient design. We pull it

7914
04:45:50,480 --> 04:45:52,440
right back into our system to actually

7915
04:45:52,440 --> 04:45:55,400
power a portion of our cooling.

7916
04:45:55,400 --> 04:45:58,320
So, we have a combination of a whole lot

7917
04:45:58,320 --> 04:46:00,200
of heat capture,

7918
04:46:00,200 --> 04:46:03,080
but even in the most extreme scenario,

7919
04:46:03,080 --> 04:46:06,360
the modeling shows that at the facility

7920
04:46:06,360 --> 04:46:09,400
itself, so right on property,

7921
04:46:09,400 --> 04:46:11,680
in max capacity,

7922
04:46:11,680 --> 04:46:14,400
the temperature on that facility could

7923
04:46:14,400 --> 04:46:18,480
be about 5° to 6° hotter

7924
04:46:18,480 --> 04:46:22,520
than just a quarter mile down the road.

7925
04:46:22,520 --> 04:46:26,440
Um it is a benefit that we happen to be

7926
04:46:26,440 --> 04:46:28,440
right where we have wind power. That

7927
04:46:28,440 --> 04:46:30,240
wasn't by design. We just happen to find

7928
04:46:30,240 --> 04:46:32,400
this building, but it is

7929
04:46:32,400 --> 04:46:34,240
useful because

7930
04:46:34,240 --> 04:46:36,360
um the wind that comes off of that

7931
04:46:36,360 --> 04:46:40,200
canyon radically decreases this even 5°

7932
04:46:40,200 --> 04:46:41,680
increase.

7933
04:46:41,680 --> 04:46:44,160
Um and when you start to look at what

7934
04:46:44,160 --> 04:46:45,600
happens

7935
04:46:45,600 --> 04:46:48,800
uh 500 ft outside of the facility,

7936
04:46:48,800 --> 04:46:51,800
a quarter mile, half a mile, um it's

7937
04:46:51,800 --> 04:46:54,880
less than a quarter mile that not even a

7938
04:46:54,880 --> 04:46:57,680
degree of additional heat

7939
04:46:57,680 --> 04:46:59,720
in a scenario where there's like a day

7940
04:46:59,720 --> 04:47:02,160
where there's no wind,

7941
04:47:02,160 --> 04:47:04,680
that that's kind of the the the scenario

7942
04:47:04,680 --> 04:47:07,760
where where it would accumulate. So, um

7943
04:47:07,760 --> 04:47:11,080
we are well within any

7944
04:47:11,080 --> 04:47:13,840
expected range of heat off of any type

7945
04:47:13,840 --> 04:47:15,600
of industrial

7946
04:47:15,600 --> 04:47:17,200
uh facility.

7947
04:47:17,200 --> 04:47:18,240
Um

7948
04:47:18,240 --> 04:47:20,360
So, [snorts] heat is another topic that

7949
04:47:20,360 --> 04:47:23,040
has been widely

7950
04:47:23,040 --> 04:47:24,320
um

7951
04:47:24,320 --> 04:47:27,480
discussed without accuracy. To give you

7952
04:47:27,480 --> 04:47:28,360
a comparison,

7953
04:47:28,360 --> 04:47:29,720
>> Is there any heat that could be

7954
04:47:29,720 --> 04:47:31,640
generated from the emissions from your

7955
04:47:31,640 --> 04:47:33,480
power generation? Is that part of the

7956
04:47:33,480 --> 04:47:36,200
heat equation that we're talking about?

7957
04:47:36,200 --> 04:47:38,200
>> Yeah, I mean, the Bloom fuel cell

7958
04:47:38,200 --> 04:47:41,414
creates heat. Yeah, that's the

7959
04:47:41,414 --> 04:47:42,080
>> [snorts]

7960
04:47:42,080 --> 04:47:43,720
>> Amongst other the cooling so on and so

7961
04:47:43,720 --> 04:47:44,120
on.

7962
04:47:44,120 --> 04:47:45,680
>> Yeah, they these have There are

7963
04:47:45,680 --> 04:47:47,920
scenarios where right at the actual

7964
04:47:47,920 --> 04:47:49,400
exhaust of heat, you're talking about

7965
04:47:49,400 --> 04:47:51,120
over 400°.

7966
04:47:51,120 --> 04:47:52,360
I mean, that's how these That's how

7967
04:47:52,360 --> 04:47:55,000
these systems work. And and so

7968
04:47:55,000 --> 04:47:57,120
but but in its cumulative use and you

7969
04:47:57,120 --> 04:47:58,920
took it look at how it's used on on the

7970
04:47:58,920 --> 04:48:00,120
property

7971
04:48:00,120 --> 04:48:01,440
uh you're not going to see an increase

7972
04:48:01,440 --> 04:48:04,360
of more than 5° and that is not the

7973
04:48:04,360 --> 04:48:06,440
amount of, you know, heat that's going

7974
04:48:06,440 --> 04:48:08,960
to in any way affect the city of Spanish

7975
04:48:08,960 --> 04:48:09,720
Fork.

7976
04:48:09,720 --> 04:48:11,680
>> What about a house that like mine that's

7977
04:48:11,680 --> 04:48:14,240
a quarter mile from this facility?

7978
04:48:14,240 --> 04:48:15,600
>> Quarter mile from the facility?

7979
04:48:15,600 --> 04:48:16,240
>> Correct.

7980
04:48:16,240 --> 04:48:17,480
>> Um

7981
04:48:17,480 --> 04:48:19,440
you're looking at

7982
04:48:19,440 --> 04:48:21,840
potentially on the worst day

7983
04:48:21,840 --> 04:48:24,800
you you may see a degree different

7984
04:48:24,800 --> 04:48:26,760
uh increase.

7985
04:48:26,760 --> 04:48:29,880
Um but if there's any wind blowing,

7986
04:48:29,880 --> 04:48:32,040
you don't have any increase. There's no

7987
04:48:32,040 --> 04:48:33,880
increase.

7988
04:48:33,880 --> 04:48:36,720
>> So, to be clear, it's not a zero impact.

7989
04:48:36,720 --> 04:48:37,920
>> No, I didn't say that it was.

7990
04:48:37,920 --> 04:48:40,360
>> Yeah. Uh even on the heat, right?

7991
04:48:40,360 --> 04:48:42,600
>> Yeah, right. We We We're 5° hotter on

7992
04:48:42,600 --> 04:48:44,000
our property.

7993
04:48:44,000 --> 04:48:46,120
>> And and could even affect neighbors like

7994
04:48:46,120 --> 04:48:46,720
you.

7995
04:48:46,720 --> 04:48:48,160
>> Right, or Mike.

7996
04:48:48,160 --> 04:48:50,080
My question is

7997
04:48:50,080 --> 04:48:50,800
uh

7998
04:48:50,800 --> 04:48:53,200
Okay, I want to go back to natural gas.

7999
04:48:53,200 --> 04:48:54,160
>> Yeah.

8000
04:48:54,160 --> 04:48:57,560
>> Natural gas consumption and how would

8001
04:48:57,560 --> 04:49:00,640
does that impact uh I don't really I

8002
04:49:00,640 --> 04:49:02,640
don't know anything about natural gas

8003
04:49:02,640 --> 04:49:04,160
and the stores of natural gas that are

8004
04:49:04,160 --> 04:49:07,520
available or is that a limited is that

8005
04:49:07,520 --> 04:49:08,600
uh

8006
04:49:08,600 --> 04:49:10,840
>> So, natural gas is widely considered a

8007
04:49:10,840 --> 04:49:12,720
cleaner fuel.

8008
04:49:12,720 --> 04:49:13,240
>> Right.

8009
04:49:13,240 --> 04:49:15,200
>> so you'll see if you'll see some like

8010
04:49:15,200 --> 04:49:17,200
fleets of buses sometimes and they say

8011
04:49:17,200 --> 04:49:19,160
powered by natural gas.

8012
04:49:19,160 --> 04:49:22,480
So, natural gas is widely considered as

8013
04:49:22,480 --> 04:49:23,680
better

8014
04:49:23,680 --> 04:49:24,800
than,

8015
04:49:24,800 --> 04:49:27,120
you know, petroleum, better than

8016
04:49:27,120 --> 04:49:27,960
diesel.

8017
04:49:27,960 --> 04:49:28,200
>> Right.

8018
04:49:28,200 --> 04:49:31,760
>> But it's still not 100% clean.

8019
04:49:31,760 --> 04:49:34,520
Um but it is dramatically cleaner and

8020
04:49:34,520 --> 04:49:36,880
that's why many environmentalists and

8021
04:49:36,880 --> 04:49:40,720
many cities actively adopt things like

8022
04:49:40,720 --> 04:49:43,680
a natural gas burning, you know, like I

8023
04:49:43,680 --> 04:49:45,360
said, a fleet of buses or or other

8024
04:49:45,360 --> 04:49:46,160
vehicles.

8025
04:49:46,160 --> 04:49:48,400
>> Right. Is it a limit My question is So,

8026
04:49:48,400 --> 04:49:51,600
I heat my home with natural gas and my

8027
04:49:51,600 --> 04:49:55,400
hot water and etc. but And so, is

8028
04:49:55,400 --> 04:49:58,360
natural gas a limited commodity, a

8029
04:49:58,360 --> 04:50:00,480
limited resource?

8030
04:50:00,480 --> 04:50:02,880
>> Yeah, natural gas um in the state of

8031
04:50:02,880 --> 04:50:04,280
Utah

8032
04:50:04,280 --> 04:50:08,680
um natural gas use for residences and

8033
04:50:08,680 --> 04:50:10,040
businesses

8034
04:50:10,040 --> 04:50:12,560
is completely and totally bifurcated

8035
04:50:12,560 --> 04:50:15,000
from where we would draw natural gas

8036
04:50:15,000 --> 04:50:17,000
from. So, there is there is

8037
04:50:17,000 --> 04:50:19,480
literally not a scenario where our

8038
04:50:19,480 --> 04:50:23,480
natural gas use could have any impact on

8039
04:50:23,480 --> 04:50:24,040
the city of Spanish

8040
04:50:24,040 --> 04:50:25,720
>> little closer look. So, are you pulling

8041
04:50:25,720 --> 04:50:27,840
from a different pipe infrastructure or

8042
04:50:27,840 --> 04:50:29,440
something or you said you will pay for

8043
04:50:29,440 --> 04:50:30,320
the capital upgrades.

8044
04:50:30,320 --> 04:50:32,480
>> we upgrade from a main.

8045
04:50:32,480 --> 04:50:34,080
>> That main would still feed us here in

8046
04:50:34,080 --> 04:50:35,320
Spanish Fork for

8047
04:50:35,320 --> 04:50:37,400
>> Right. But you But the city has an

8048
04:50:37,400 --> 04:50:40,920
allocated usage that is subsidized and

8049
04:50:40,920 --> 04:50:42,960
cannot change in price.

8050
04:50:42,960 --> 04:50:45,400
So, we that is

8051
04:50:45,400 --> 04:50:46,840
>> So, you're still you're still affecting

8052
04:50:46,840 --> 04:50:49,000
the actual, you know, marketplace for

8053
04:50:49,000 --> 04:50:49,360
this.

8054
04:50:49,360 --> 04:50:50,800
>> No, we're not. Yeah, the amount of

8055
04:50:50,800 --> 04:50:52,800
natural gas available in US

8056
04:50:52,800 --> 04:50:54,280
infrastructure

8057
04:50:54,280 --> 04:50:58,040
this our use, even though it's a lot

8058
04:50:58,040 --> 04:51:01,600
has literally no impact on market

8059
04:51:01,600 --> 04:51:02,440
economics.

8060
04:51:02,440 --> 04:51:05,240
>> Let's assume Bloom's power generation is

8061
04:51:05,240 --> 04:51:07,560
very successful. As we go forward, I

8062
04:51:07,560 --> 04:51:08,440
mean, honestly, like

8063
04:51:08,440 --> 04:51:09,800
>> In in a decade, could there be an

8064
04:51:09,800 --> 04:51:10,920
impact? Of course.

8065
04:51:10,920 --> 04:51:12,200
>> Yeah, but you get where I'm going with

8066
04:51:12,200 --> 04:51:14,280
that. I mean, honestly, like if we're if

8067
04:51:14,280 --> 04:51:16,120
we're talking about power generation for

8068
04:51:16,120 --> 04:51:18,240
this style, I'd want to turn and I think

8069
04:51:18,240 --> 04:51:20,000
Dave mentioned this before, there's a

8070
04:51:20,000 --> 04:51:21,800
the generation project in Nephi similar

8071
04:51:21,800 --> 04:51:23,280
technology, right? Wouldn't we want to

8072
04:51:23,280 --> 04:51:24,640
do this for everything? I think we

8073
04:51:24,640 --> 04:51:26,280
would. And all of a sudden it might be a

8074
04:51:26,280 --> 04:51:28,080
natural gas

8075
04:51:28,080 --> 04:51:29,480
supply constraint instead of the

8076
04:51:29,480 --> 04:51:30,880
electric supply.

8077
04:51:30,880 --> 04:51:32,640
>> I would encourage you to cuz Paul, I

8078
04:51:32,640 --> 04:51:34,640
know you dig into stuff. So, I would

8079
04:51:34,640 --> 04:51:36,040
actually encourage you or any of you to

8080
04:51:36,040 --> 04:51:38,480
maybe just search on this a little bit

8081
04:51:38,480 --> 04:51:40,280
and you'll see that the

8082
04:51:40,280 --> 04:51:43,760
when you compare the the US grid,

8083
04:51:43,760 --> 04:51:47,120
it's age, it's strain,

8084
04:51:47,120 --> 04:51:50,040
um the entire grid is

8085
04:51:50,040 --> 04:51:52,080
uh a very scarce

8086
04:51:52,080 --> 04:51:54,320
resource. And that has been an

8087
04:51:54,320 --> 04:51:56,960
accumulation over, you know, decades.

8088
04:51:56,960 --> 04:52:01,600
Natural gas is massively more abundant

8089
04:52:01,600 --> 04:52:03,760
throughout the entire US.

8090
04:52:03,760 --> 04:52:05,600
Um [snorts] there has not been, you

8091
04:52:05,600 --> 04:52:08,360
know, a huge draw. That's why it's

8092
04:52:08,360 --> 04:52:10,160
always been quite cheap, quite

8093
04:52:10,160 --> 04:52:11,400
affordable.

8094
04:52:11,400 --> 04:52:12,720
And there's so much natural gas

8095
04:52:12,720 --> 04:52:14,960
available that it will take

8096
04:52:14,960 --> 04:52:18,760
uh you know, a a 3X

8097
04:52:18,760 --> 04:52:20,880
or more [snorts] increase throughout the

8098
04:52:20,880 --> 04:52:24,080
US to begin to see what will be

8099
04:52:24,080 --> 04:52:26,800
an incremental change in natural gas.

8100
04:52:26,800 --> 04:52:28,800
Now, see we hedge against that and we

8101
04:52:28,800 --> 04:52:31,880
buy our rate over, you know, um and we

8102
04:52:31,880 --> 04:52:35,400
don't want it to go up, but um it's it

8103
04:52:35,400 --> 04:52:37,680
doesn't move the way utility does and

8104
04:52:37,680 --> 04:52:40,160
it's there's not a pass-through

8105
04:52:40,160 --> 04:52:42,000
to consumers,

8106
04:52:42,000 --> 04:52:43,920
especially in Utah,

8107
04:52:43,920 --> 04:52:47,360
the way there is with utility power.

8108
04:52:47,360 --> 04:52:48,920
>> So, you're going to be buying your

8109
04:52:48,920 --> 04:52:51,320
natural gas from Enbridge months in

8110
04:52:51,320 --> 04:52:53,320
advance. You're going to watch price and

8111
04:52:53,320 --> 04:52:54,120
you're going to buy it.

8112
04:52:54,120 --> 04:52:54,720
>> Yeah, we lock in.

8113
04:52:54,720 --> 04:52:56,280
>> Way before and lock in the price way

8114
04:52:56,280 --> 04:52:58,480
before you use it. Similar. Okay.

8115
04:52:58,480 --> 04:52:59,800
>> Yeah.

8116
04:52:59,800 --> 04:53:01,840
Now, what do you see

8117
04:53:01,840 --> 04:53:03,080
say

8118
04:53:03,080 --> 04:53:05,920
supply shortages and everything goes

8119
04:53:05,920 --> 04:53:08,280
crazy and you can't get everything in

8120
04:53:08,280 --> 04:53:10,400
that. What would be the downside? I

8121
04:53:10,400 --> 04:53:12,200
mean, say we approve all this, Spanish

8122
04:53:12,200 --> 04:53:13,360
Fork moves,

8123
04:53:13,360 --> 04:53:16,000
you go forward, play come to Spanish

8124
04:53:16,000 --> 04:53:18,160
Fork, go forward, and everything falls

8125
04:53:18,160 --> 04:53:19,920
apart in a couple years. Is there a

8126
04:53:19,920 --> 04:53:21,360
downside to Spanish Fork? Is there going

8127
04:53:21,360 --> 04:53:23,040
to be a cost to the Spanish Fork?

8128
04:53:23,040 --> 04:53:24,120
>> No, I don't think so. I think what

8129
04:53:24,120 --> 04:53:27,240
you're looking at is instead of a 250 MW

8130
04:53:27,240 --> 04:53:30,800
facility that has a $4 billion value

8131
04:53:30,800 --> 04:53:34,160
and a $40 million tax implication,

8132
04:53:34,160 --> 04:53:37,960
um we could be sitting with a 75 MW

8133
04:53:37,960 --> 04:53:39,240
facility

8134
04:53:39,240 --> 04:53:43,640
um that has $1.4 billion in value and

8135
04:53:43,640 --> 04:53:45,360
Volition would have a whole bunch of

8136
04:53:45,360 --> 04:53:46,800
extra space in that building that we

8137
04:53:46,800 --> 04:53:50,080
never fully utilized. But the model for

8138
04:53:50,080 --> 04:53:53,600
us still still pencils very well. So,

8139
04:53:53,600 --> 04:53:55,120
the cost of the building and the

8140
04:53:55,120 --> 04:53:56,880
potential of having it not fully

8141
04:53:56,880 --> 04:53:58,280
occupied

8142
04:53:58,280 --> 04:54:00,920
um is a very small line item line item

8143
04:54:00,920 --> 04:54:03,040
on our P&L. So, even if we were sitting

8144
04:54:03,040 --> 04:54:04,440
with a building that we didn't fully end

8145
04:54:04,440 --> 04:54:07,880
up utilizing and we had 25, 50, or 75 MW

8146
04:54:07,880 --> 04:54:09,880
there, it would still be a very healthy

8147
04:54:09,880 --> 04:54:10,800
business model.

8148
04:54:10,800 --> 04:54:13,080
>> If you were operating at

8149
04:54:13,080 --> 04:54:15,760
50% capacity, you're still even make a

8150
04:54:15,760 --> 04:54:16,360
profit.

8151
04:54:16,360 --> 04:54:18,760
>> Oh, yeah.

8152
04:54:18,760 --> 04:54:20,600
Let me put that a different way.

8153
04:54:20,600 --> 04:54:25,840
If I have 250 MW of capacity

8154
04:54:25,840 --> 04:54:28,440
and that whole capacity is only running

8155
04:54:28,440 --> 04:54:32,640
at 50%, that's not good for us.

8156
04:54:32,640 --> 04:54:34,880
But we contract in a way that we know

8157
04:54:34,880 --> 04:54:37,400
that we'll be the client will be moving

8158
04:54:37,400 --> 04:54:39,640
up to 70% or more

8159
04:54:39,640 --> 04:54:41,240
in into the facility.

8160
04:54:41,240 --> 04:54:42,880
>> So, you're going to be contracted for

8161
04:54:42,880 --> 04:54:47,560
25%, another 20 to a one contractor

8162
04:54:47,560 --> 04:54:50,640
contract, 40% to another contract as you

8163
04:54:50,640 --> 04:54:52,240
build out. You're not going to build out

8164
04:54:52,240 --> 04:54:54,960
100% and then try to sell.

8165
04:54:54,960 --> 04:54:58,880
>> Well, we know that just this client will

8166
04:54:58,880 --> 04:55:01,080
take all of the capacity that we can

8167
04:55:01,080 --> 04:55:03,040
provide. But what I'm getting at, Dave,

8168
04:55:03,040 --> 04:55:04,800
is that if there was a supply chain

8169
04:55:04,800 --> 04:55:07,400
issue and we just couldn't get the

8170
04:55:07,400 --> 04:55:10,240
cooling and the fuel cell, then we would

8171
04:55:10,240 --> 04:55:12,840
just our design would be halted at what

8172
04:55:12,840 --> 04:55:15,720
we could build. So, we'd be stopped at

8173
04:55:15,720 --> 04:55:19,240
52 MW, 48 MW, 70 MW.

8174
04:55:19,240 --> 04:55:21,160
And our client would be mad.

8175
04:55:21,160 --> 04:55:22,240
>> And they wouldn't but they wouldn't be

8176
04:55:22,240 --> 04:55:23,520
able to go anywhere because it's a

8177
04:55:23,520 --> 04:55:25,440
supply chain and nobody else could

8178
04:55:25,440 --> 04:55:26,800
>> there's no

8179
04:55:26,800 --> 04:55:30,440
everybody will be in the same boat.

8180
04:55:30,440 --> 04:55:32,080
>> Okay.

8181
04:55:32,080 --> 04:55:34,040
So, I don't so

8182
04:55:34,040 --> 04:55:35,720
my biggest

8183
04:55:35,720 --> 04:55:37,240
reason for going there is just to see

8184
04:55:37,240 --> 04:55:39,640
what if there is a risk to Spanish Fork

8185
04:55:39,640 --> 04:55:42,280
City but you know

8186
04:55:42,280 --> 04:55:43,720
>> Jeff

8187
04:55:43,720 --> 04:55:44,520
>> Can I comment on that?

8188
04:55:44,520 --> 04:55:45,560
>> Please.

8189
04:55:45,560 --> 04:55:48,560
>> We would be very very concerned if there

8190
04:55:48,560 --> 04:55:51,120
was a large power user even a fraction

8191
04:55:51,120 --> 04:55:52,320
of what we're talking about here that

8192
04:55:52,320 --> 04:55:54,440
wanted to tie into the system

8193
04:55:54,440 --> 04:55:56,160
and have capacity in the system

8194
04:55:56,160 --> 04:55:58,560
dedicated to it, power infrastructure

8195
04:55:58,560 --> 04:56:00,000
dedicated to it and that type of a

8196
04:56:00,000 --> 04:56:02,760
thing. That type of really expensive

8197
04:56:02,760 --> 04:56:05,960
investment that does have a cost to us

8198
04:56:05,960 --> 04:56:07,720
as a power provider.

8199
04:56:07,720 --> 04:56:10,280
If it were that kind of a scenario we'd

8200
04:56:10,280 --> 04:56:12,120
be looking to have financial guarantees

8201
04:56:12,120 --> 04:56:13,800
and that type of a thing thing to

8202
04:56:13,800 --> 04:56:15,480
protect the city

8203
04:56:15,480 --> 04:56:19,560
as the provider of that utility.

8204
04:56:19,560 --> 04:56:21,280
One of the things that's distinct from

8205
04:56:21,280 --> 04:56:22,880
this group and other people that we've

8206
04:56:22,880 --> 04:56:24,360
talked to

8207
04:56:24,360 --> 04:56:25,640
um

8208
04:56:25,640 --> 04:56:28,440
that we have not been able to you know

8209
04:56:28,440 --> 04:56:30,840
really get off square one with is the

8210
04:56:30,840 --> 04:56:33,560
idea that they don't connect to our

8211
04:56:33,560 --> 04:56:35,600
power utility.

8212
04:56:35,600 --> 04:56:38,600
That really removes uh

8213
04:56:38,600 --> 04:56:39,920
as best as we've come to understand

8214
04:56:39,920 --> 04:56:42,160
really any risk to the city for what

8215
04:56:42,160 --> 04:56:43,560
they're talking about doing here.

8216
04:56:43,560 --> 04:56:45,760
>> that's cuz that's what from what I've

8217
04:56:45,760 --> 04:56:47,960
listened to tonight that's what I see. I

8218
04:56:47,960 --> 04:56:50,440
don't see the city taking being on the

8219
04:56:50,440 --> 04:56:52,120
hook for any risk. They're not committed

8220
04:56:52,120 --> 04:56:54,880
to sell X power.

8221
04:56:54,880 --> 04:56:56,080
They don't have to upgrade your power

8222
04:56:56,080 --> 04:56:58,040
system anything. They don't have to put

8223
04:56:58,040 --> 04:57:00,040
in a new substation.

8224
04:57:00,040 --> 04:57:00,600
Nothing.

8225
04:57:00,600 --> 04:57:01,200
>> Yep.

8226
04:57:01,200 --> 04:57:02,920
Yeah, the Enbridge upgrade for example

8227
04:57:02,920 --> 04:57:05,880
is this a $14 million expense.

8228
04:57:05,880 --> 04:57:06,920
And that's [clears throat] our expense.

8229
04:57:06,920 --> 04:57:08,200
>> And that's your expense through

8230
04:57:08,200 --> 04:57:08,880
Enbridge.

8231
04:57:08,880 --> 04:57:09,560
>> We pay Enbridge.

8232
04:57:09,560 --> 04:57:10,800
>> Nothing to do with the city.

8233
04:57:10,800 --> 04:57:13,480
>> We we we pay Enbridge directly for that

8234
04:57:13,480 --> 04:57:17,120
cost of upgrade.

8235
04:57:17,120 --> 04:57:20,720
>> Could you comment a little bit on like like you know I have colleagues and

8236
04:57:20,720 --> 04:57:22,000
friends in Ohio and everything like

8237
04:57:22,000 --> 04:57:23,240
that. Their rates going up. They've got

8238
04:57:23,240 --> 04:57:24,920
data they're huge.

8239
04:57:24,920 --> 04:57:27,040
Why is it fundamentally different like

8240
04:57:27,040 --> 04:57:29,560
you paying for the upgrades on Enbridge

8241
04:57:29,560 --> 04:57:32,720
whereas in other places

8242
04:57:32,720 --> 04:57:34,240
rate payers are paying for upgrades to

8243
04:57:34,240 --> 04:57:35,640
electrical infrastructure. Is it

8244
04:57:35,640 --> 04:57:37,400
something I got to assume there isn't

8245
04:57:37,400 --> 04:57:39,640
any reason why if you wanted to consume

8246
04:57:39,640 --> 04:57:42,320
grid power you couldn't just like you

8247
04:57:42,320 --> 04:57:43,360
know

8248
04:57:43,360 --> 04:57:44,960
I I we can go somewhere and negotiate.

8249
04:57:44,960 --> 04:57:45,280
Yeah.

8250
04:57:45,280 --> 04:57:46,760
>> Yeah. So number one that's just not our

8251
04:57:46,760 --> 04:57:47,840
model. We're not doing that.

8252
04:57:47,840 --> 04:57:49,360
>> Yeah, I get that. But why is that the

8253
04:57:49,360 --> 04:57:50,960
case? Just help me get it straight.

8254
04:57:50,960 --> 04:57:52,360
>> that's the case because they got away

8255
04:57:52,360 --> 04:57:54,200
with it for a long time. And I think

8256
04:57:54,200 --> 04:57:57,200
it's starting to change. What what

8257
04:57:57,200 --> 04:57:58,640
Regardless of what you feel about an

8258
04:57:58,640 --> 04:57:59,760
administration

8259
04:57:59,760 --> 04:58:00,240
>> Yeah.

8260
04:58:00,240 --> 04:58:01,920
>> this change happening where the

8261
04:58:01,920 --> 04:58:03,280
administration it's interesting cuz we

8262
04:58:03,280 --> 04:58:04,280
were already saying it but now they're

8263
04:58:04,280 --> 04:58:05,840
saying hey you have to bring your own

8264
04:58:05,840 --> 04:58:09,520
power. That's a massive shift. So now

8265
04:58:09,520 --> 04:58:12,400
even the hyperscalers are having to find

8266
04:58:12,400 --> 04:58:14,720
ways to produce on-site power. Many of

8267
04:58:14,720 --> 04:58:17,000
them will use natural gas.

8268
04:58:17,000 --> 04:58:18,200
And many of them will go to a bunch of

8269
04:58:18,200 --> 04:58:19,800
diesel. So they'll still be having big

8270
04:58:19,800 --> 04:58:22,520
emission emissions problems.

8271
04:58:22,520 --> 04:58:26,280
Um but this is this is changing

8272
04:58:26,280 --> 04:58:28,000
um and utilities are getting more and

8273
04:58:28,000 --> 04:58:30,600
more pushback about just

8274
04:58:30,600 --> 04:58:33,880
pushing their rates through to

8275
04:58:33,880 --> 04:58:36,280
uh the residents.

8276
04:58:36,280 --> 04:58:38,320
So I just think they got away with it

8277
04:58:38,320 --> 04:58:39,360
for a long long time.

8278
04:58:39,360 --> 04:58:41,680
>> A lot of those are also asking for tax

8279
04:58:41,680 --> 04:58:43,160
incentives and whatnot

8280
04:58:43,160 --> 04:58:43,640
>> Yeah.

8281
04:58:43,640 --> 04:58:45,560
>> to bring their plant in.

8282
04:58:45,560 --> 04:58:47,680
>> Yeah, they look for every little margin

8283
04:58:47,680 --> 04:58:49,000
that they can.

8284
04:58:49,000 --> 04:58:51,720
Our model and my intention in this model

8285
04:58:51,720 --> 04:58:53,560
even though for example

8286
04:58:53,560 --> 04:58:55,560
we happen to have

8287
04:58:55,560 --> 04:58:57,560
a federal tax incentive that lets us

8288
04:58:57,560 --> 04:59:00,440
write off some of our power generation

8289
04:59:00,440 --> 04:59:01,720
equipment.

8290
04:59:01,720 --> 04:59:03,920
Um my intention always has been to make

8291
04:59:03,920 --> 04:59:05,120
sure that our business model works

8292
04:59:05,120 --> 04:59:08,840
without any federal or local incentives.

8293
04:59:08,840 --> 04:59:11,760
To me, if your company can't run without

8294
04:59:11,760 --> 04:59:13,200
incentives, you don't have a good

8295
04:59:13,200 --> 04:59:15,800
business model. So, we get a benefit

8296
04:59:15,800 --> 04:59:17,920
right now of a federal a little bit of a

8297
04:59:17,920 --> 04:59:20,720
federal, you know, rebate, but our model

8298
04:59:20,720 --> 04:59:22,680
will operate without that when when it

8299
04:59:22,680 --> 04:59:24,760
ever, you know, changes and it's it will

8300
04:59:24,760 --> 04:59:26,640
someday.

8301
04:59:26,640 --> 04:59:30,520
>> Can I I ask um Oh, you go first.

8302
04:59:30,520 --> 04:59:32,240
>> No. I'm ready to

8303
04:59:32,240 --> 04:59:32,640
>> Okay.

8304
04:59:32,640 --> 04:59:33,160
>> take motion here.

8305
04:59:33,160 --> 04:59:35,840
>> Yeah, I I guess my one comment is I

8306
04:59:35,840 --> 04:59:38,600
appreciate that Well, number one, this

8307
04:59:38,600 --> 04:59:42,480
is a very compliant I mean, compelling

8308
04:59:42,480 --> 04:59:44,600
business model business

8309
04:59:44,600 --> 04:59:47,200
solution to a lot of

8310
04:59:47,200 --> 04:59:48,560
problems.

8311
04:59:48,560 --> 04:59:50,120
And

8312
04:59:50,120 --> 04:59:51,480
it's really compelling and really

8313
04:59:51,480 --> 04:59:53,400
awesome.

8314
04:59:53,400 --> 04:59:55,280
If if it succeeds,

8315
04:59:55,280 --> 04:59:57,880
I appreciate that we have a

8316
04:59:57,880 --> 05:00:00,320
that there's a development agreement and

8317
05:00:00,320 --> 05:00:02,440
a Title 15 amendment that protects

8318
05:00:02,440 --> 05:00:05,360
Spanish Fork City and

8319
05:00:05,360 --> 05:00:10,640
uh community, environment, etc.

8320
05:00:10,640 --> 05:00:12,560
I think that's all I have to say.

8321
05:00:12,560 --> 05:00:14,160
>> Yeah.

8322
05:00:14,160 --> 05:00:17,400
I dug deep on this as as you see. I I

8323
05:00:17,400 --> 05:00:19,040
heard that you talked to the Provo

8324
05:00:19,040 --> 05:00:22,080
Planning Commission about this. One

8325
05:00:22,080 --> 05:00:24,120
Provo passed an ordinance basically ban

8326
05:00:24,120 --> 05:00:26,520
anything over 50 MW, but one thing I

8327
05:00:26,520 --> 05:00:27,520
thought was interesting, I don't know if

8328
05:00:27,520 --> 05:00:29,440
you can comment on this, is they all

8329
05:00:29,440 --> 05:00:31,960
they were also proposing requiring data

8330
05:00:31,960 --> 05:00:34,400
centers to be grid connected. What was

8331
05:00:34,400 --> 05:00:35,680
that? And and and I know there's some

8332
05:00:35,680 --> 05:00:38,320
connection to the Utah Municipal Power

8333
05:00:38,320 --> 05:00:40,360
Authority, which we in Spanish Fork are

8334
05:00:40,360 --> 05:00:41,720
What was What's the situation there?

8335
05:00:41,720 --> 05:00:43,920
>> Well, I just think the situation is that

8336
05:00:43,920 --> 05:00:46,080
there um

8337
05:00:46,080 --> 05:00:48,200
the leadership of Provo just doesn't

8338
05:00:48,200 --> 05:00:49,880
want to have a data center in Provo. You

8339
05:00:49,880 --> 05:00:50,400
know, so they

8340
05:00:50,400 --> 05:00:51,520
>> Why did they want to keep it grid

8341
05:00:51,520 --> 05:00:52,800
connected? That was one thing that I

8342
05:00:52,800 --> 05:00:53,360
think you were

8343
05:00:53,360 --> 05:00:55,320
>> Well, because um

8344
05:00:55,320 --> 05:00:57,680
if it's grid connected, it limits the of

8345
05:00:57,680 --> 05:01:00,480
any real capacity to be developed in

8346
05:01:00,480 --> 05:01:02,760
Provo. You know, Provo can't stand up

8347
05:01:02,760 --> 05:01:04,440
anything more than maybe a few megawatts

8348
05:01:04,440 --> 05:01:05,800
if somebody want to build a data center

8349
05:01:05,800 --> 05:01:08,920
there. So, we had interest uh primarily

8350
05:01:08,920 --> 05:01:10,960
just cuz we're currently based there, I

8351
05:01:10,960 --> 05:01:12,200
live there.

8352
05:01:12,200 --> 05:01:13,640
We identified a couple buildings that

8353
05:01:13,640 --> 05:01:15,440
would work.

8354
05:01:15,440 --> 05:01:18,600
They made a proposal to ban certain

8355
05:01:18,600 --> 05:01:20,480
things. I came to the city council and

8356
05:01:20,480 --> 05:01:22,680
made a very strong argument about why

8357
05:01:22,680 --> 05:01:25,240
it's beneficial to Provo to look at this

8358
05:01:25,240 --> 05:01:26,800
kind of a model.

8359
05:01:26,800 --> 05:01:29,960
Um and between the time that I made that

8360
05:01:29,960 --> 05:01:31,400
proposal

8361
05:01:31,400 --> 05:01:32,480
um

8362
05:01:32,480 --> 05:01:35,600
and the time that they came back to

8363
05:01:35,600 --> 05:01:36,800
reconvene,

8364
05:01:36,800 --> 05:01:40,000
we we never submitted um an actual

8365
05:01:40,000 --> 05:01:42,640
request to build there. We identified

8366
05:01:42,640 --> 05:01:44,200
other buildings that were more

8367
05:01:44,200 --> 05:01:46,400
attractive. Um

8368
05:01:46,400 --> 05:01:48,280
Stockman Flats

8369
05:01:48,280 --> 05:01:49,640
um this building that we're

8370
05:01:49,640 --> 05:01:51,640
contemplating, a few others that were

8371
05:01:51,640 --> 05:01:53,960
just better locations.

8372
05:01:53,960 --> 05:01:56,280
So, there was no reason for us to, you

8373
05:01:56,280 --> 05:01:58,080
know, try to have a battle with Provo

8374
05:01:58,080 --> 05:02:00,360
about doing it differently if they were

8375
05:02:00,360 --> 05:02:02,040
not wanting that. There were many places

8376
05:02:02,040 --> 05:02:03,800
we can go, just like this. Like we we

8377
05:02:03,800 --> 05:02:06,040
would love to be here, but we don't have

8378
05:02:06,040 --> 05:02:07,480
to be here. If it doesn't work out,

8379
05:02:07,480 --> 05:02:09,360
it'll be okay. But we'll build in other

8380
05:02:09,360 --> 05:02:09,960
places.

8381
05:02:09,960 --> 05:02:11,960
>> main draw to Spanish Fork the building?

8382
05:02:11,960 --> 05:02:16,190
>> It's a phenomenal building. Um

8383
05:02:16,200 --> 05:02:17,480
» That's the rodeo.

8384
05:02:17,480 --> 05:02:19,240
>> That's my That's my attorney. That's our

8385
05:02:19,240 --> 05:02:20,960
corporate attorney who is a hardcore

8386
05:02:20,960 --> 05:02:22,600
>> like, "No effort. No

8387
05:02:22,600 --> 05:02:22,920
effort."

8388
05:02:22,920 --> 05:02:24,680
>> thinks about is the rodeo, and then

8389
05:02:24,680 --> 05:02:26,080
he'll sit in the back of a city meeting

8390
05:02:26,080 --> 05:02:27,720
and just yell out the word rodeo.

8391
05:02:27,720 --> 05:02:28,960
>> World famous now.

8392
05:02:28,960 --> 05:02:30,080
>> Rodeo.

8393
05:02:30,080 --> 05:02:30,600
We're very [laughter]

8394
05:02:30,600 --> 05:02:32,040
>> Post Malone got us on the map.

8395
05:02:32,040 --> 05:02:32,920
>> Yeah. Yes.

8396
05:02:32,920 --> 05:02:35,240
>> All right. Okay, Paul, how are we doing?

8397
05:02:35,240 --> 05:02:36,480
Are you ready for public hearing?

8398
05:02:36,480 --> 05:02:37,920
>> Yeah, I'm ready to.

8399
05:02:37,920 --> 05:02:38,640
>> Okay.

8400
05:02:38,640 --> 05:02:38,960
>> Yeah.

8401
05:02:38,960 --> 05:02:40,000
>> And Shauna, one thing.

8402
05:02:40,000 --> 05:02:40,800
>> Yes.

8403
05:02:40,800 --> 05:02:42,080
>> I appreciated the feedback. I don't know

8404
05:02:42,080 --> 05:02:44,840
you, and uh but I commend you for the

8405
05:02:44,840 --> 05:02:46,520
feedback that I heard yesterday and

8406
05:02:46,520 --> 05:02:48,240
tonight on your service, and I did take

8407
05:02:48,240 --> 05:02:49,400
note

8408
05:02:49,400 --> 05:02:50,960
that apparently you know how to handle

8409
05:02:50,960 --> 05:02:52,880
belligerent people in this setting and I

8410
05:02:52,880 --> 05:02:55,920
made a promise that I would not do anything

8411
05:02:55,920 --> 05:02:58,080
belligerent so that Shauna would not

8412
05:02:58,080 --> 05:02:59,120
take me out.

8413
05:02:59,120 --> 05:03:00,600
>> Thank you. Well, you did you heard a

8414
05:03:00,600 --> 05:03:02,280
little bit of that tonight, right?

8415
05:03:02,280 --> 05:03:03,010
>> Yes.

8416
05:03:03,010 --> 05:03:03,880
>> [laughter]

8417
05:03:03,880 --> 05:03:04,840
>> Well, thank you.

8418
05:03:04,840 --> 05:03:06,040
>> Yes, thank you so much.

8419
05:03:06,040 --> 05:03:07,920
>> much, Jeff. It's

8420
05:03:07,920 --> 05:03:09,760
appreciate you. All right, and let me

8421
05:03:09,760 --> 05:03:11,800
just say for the record at the beginning

8422
05:03:11,800 --> 05:03:14,200
when I said I'm so excited, it's just I

8423
05:03:14,200 --> 05:03:18,440
love to learn about new things. I had

8424
05:03:18,440 --> 05:03:21,640
no agenda coming in or no preconceived

8425
05:03:21,640 --> 05:03:22,880
ideas

8426
05:03:22,880 --> 05:03:27,880
uh about what was being presented. So.

8427
05:03:27,880 --> 05:03:31,520
Okay, that's just for the public record.

8428
05:03:31,520 --> 05:03:34,960
All right. Uh we will uh have a public

8429
05:03:34,960 --> 05:03:39,160
hearing. Uh remember 3 minutes each. Uh

8430
05:03:39,160 --> 05:03:41,200
come to the front. Uh

8431
05:03:41,200 --> 05:03:43,240
each person allowed to speak only once

8432
05:03:43,240 --> 05:03:45,280
and state your name and address for the

8433
05:03:45,280 --> 05:03:46,600
record.

8434
05:03:46,600 --> 05:03:52,350
And all the other things.

8435
05:03:52,360 --> 05:03:53,520
» Dan Davis.

8436
05:03:53,520 --> 05:03:54,560
>> Hello, Dan.

8437
05:03:54,560 --> 05:03:55,160
>> How you doing?

8438
05:03:55,160 --> 05:03:55,880
>> Great.

8439
05:03:55,880 --> 05:03:58,280
>> Hey, nobody you control a crowd good cuz

8440
05:03:58,280 --> 05:04:01,040
it's really hard for an ornery person to

8441
05:04:01,040 --> 05:04:03,120
get ornery at somebody that's smiling.

8442
05:04:03,120 --> 05:04:06,440
>> Good. Well, I'll keep smiling.

8443
05:04:06,440 --> 05:04:09,000
>> Okay, so first of all, is Wollesen

8444
05:04:09,000 --> 05:04:10,440
public?

8445
05:04:10,440 --> 05:04:12,240
Are they a public traded?

8446
05:04:12,240 --> 05:04:13,720
Private. Okay.

8447
05:04:13,720 --> 05:04:15,200
Well, that's something to think about,

8448
05:04:15,200 --> 05:04:19,320
isn't it? Um Dan Davis, uh I have a I'm

8449
05:04:19,320 --> 05:04:21,920
employed or I self-employed here. I like

8450
05:04:21,920 --> 05:04:27,080
the idea. I think the building's a good use. Um they've

8451
05:04:27,080 --> 05:04:32,040
solved the water problems and uh the heat sounds like the heat

8452
05:04:32,040 --> 05:04:33,800
situation is that's one thing I had a

8453
05:04:33,800 --> 05:04:35,360
question about was

8454
05:04:35,360 --> 05:04:36,600
um

8455
05:04:36,600 --> 05:04:37,800
that

8456
05:04:37,800 --> 05:04:39,760
Spanish Fork

8457
05:04:39,760 --> 05:04:43,280
property tax, not necessarily much else.

8458
05:04:43,280 --> 05:04:45,640
Uh so there's a difference there than

8459
05:04:45,640 --> 05:04:48,160
what's already there with the trucking.

8460
05:04:48,160 --> 05:04:50,000
Um

8461
05:04:50,000 --> 05:04:52,120
islanded should uh mean islanded

8462
05:04:52,120 --> 05:04:54,840
forever. So, if the gas prices do change

8463
05:04:54,840 --> 05:04:57,080
and there's some caveat that will

8464
05:04:57,080 --> 05:05:01,080
that where they go after public uh gas,

8465
05:05:01,080 --> 05:05:03,240
then that means uh

8466
05:05:03,240 --> 05:05:05,560
that could be a problem. So, write into

8467
05:05:05,560 --> 05:05:07,120
the ordinance that any future

8468
05:05:07,120 --> 05:05:09,400
interconnection requires full public

8469
05:05:09,400 --> 05:05:10,840
re-approval.

8470
05:05:10,840 --> 05:05:13,760
Um third, um this is a big one.

8471
05:05:13,760 --> 05:05:15,960
Uh space data centers are a big hit

8472
05:05:15,960 --> 05:05:18,520
right now. Elon talks about them a lot.

8473
05:05:18,520 --> 05:05:20,640
Uh Dyson swarm being placed right now

8474
05:05:20,640 --> 05:05:23,520
around the earth. Orbital a company has

8475
05:05:23,520 --> 05:05:27,120
uh filed for 100,000 orbital slots. Elon

8476
05:05:27,120 --> 05:05:29,960
Musk is somewhere up in that area. LEO

8477
05:05:29,960 --> 05:05:32,440
type uh satellites where they're easily

8478
05:05:32,440 --> 05:05:34,880
exchanged after they reach their reach

8479
05:05:34,880 --> 05:05:37,880
their life is a real serious thing.

8480
05:05:37,880 --> 05:05:40,720
Across the country, over 120 billion in

8481
05:05:40,720 --> 05:05:42,680
data center spending has been moved off

8482
05:05:42,680 --> 05:05:45,440
company balance sheets in 18 months into

8483
05:05:45,440 --> 05:05:47,720
entities specifically designed so that

8484
05:05:47,720 --> 05:05:50,680
the parent can walk away. The Bank for

8485
05:05:50,680 --> 05:05:52,560
Inter- I'm reading this, sorry. Bank for

8486
05:05:52,560 --> 05:05:54,320
International Settlements, a central

8487
05:05:54,320 --> 05:05:57,520
bank, not a just named this one as the

8488
05:05:57,520 --> 05:06:00,320
biggest risks to global financial

8489
05:06:00,320 --> 05:06:02,360
stability. The computers inside

8490
05:06:02,360 --> 05:06:04,920
depreciate in 3 to 5 years.

8491
05:06:04,920 --> 05:06:05,560
Uh

8492
05:06:05,560 --> 05:06:09,640
it should last 30. Um Fingerhut came in

8493
05:06:09,640 --> 05:06:13,600
offering 520 jobs, uh spent the money,

8494
05:06:13,600 --> 05:06:15,440
then it didn't work out. So, take that

8495
05:06:15,440 --> 05:06:18,440
into account. Um

8496
05:06:18,440 --> 05:06:20,000
How much time have we got? Man, I can

8497
05:06:20,000 --> 05:06:21,240
yak.

8498
05:06:21,240 --> 05:06:22,240
Uh

8499
05:06:22,240 --> 05:06:24,520
So, I just say take all those thing to

8500
05:06:24,520 --> 05:06:26,400
in things into account so Spanish Fork

8501
05:06:26,400 --> 05:06:28,160
doesn't get bit

8502
05:06:28,160 --> 05:06:30,320
if this goes south because data centers

8503
05:06:30,320 --> 05:06:32,360
it's kind of a shell game. Orbital data

8504
05:06:32,360 --> 05:06:33,560
centers

8505
05:06:33,560 --> 05:06:35,720
uh the tech will get worked out.

8506
05:06:35,720 --> 05:06:39,040
Land-based terrestrial data centers will

8507
05:06:39,040 --> 05:06:41,560
stay and there will be a a

8508
05:06:41,560 --> 05:06:43,600
period until the tech reaches for

8509
05:06:43,600 --> 05:06:47,640
orbital, but uh orbital is the is in my

8510
05:06:47,640 --> 05:06:49,520
opinion and you know, I think it's the

8511
05:06:49,520 --> 05:06:51,240
way to go.

8512
05:06:51,240 --> 05:06:54,040
You know, no batteries, uh rejection

8513
05:06:54,040 --> 05:06:56,040
into space. That tech's getting worked

8514
05:06:56,040 --> 05:06:58,240
out. Uh the V3 rocket's already

8515
05:06:58,240 --> 05:07:00,200
launching things and other people are

8516
05:07:00,200 --> 05:07:02,600
launching things to prep for that and

8517
05:07:02,600 --> 05:07:04,080
they'll pay us to dispense those

8518
05:07:04,080 --> 05:07:06,680
satellites out and it'll become a Dyson

8519
05:07:06,680 --> 05:07:09,120
swarm and so think about that.

8520
05:07:09,120 --> 05:07:09,600
>> Thank you.

8521
05:07:09,600 --> 05:07:10,040
>> Thanks.

8522
05:07:10,040 --> 05:07:14,522
>> Appreciate that.

8523
05:07:14,532 --> 05:07:16,560
» [clears throat]

8524
05:07:16,560 --> 05:07:17,720
» Hi.

8525
05:07:17,720 --> 05:07:21,680
I'm Megan um Banks. I grew up here

8526
05:07:21,680 --> 05:07:24,680
my whole life. I actually lived right by

8527
05:07:24,680 --> 05:07:26,120
at the mouth of the canyon, grew up

8528
05:07:26,120 --> 05:07:27,480
right there.

8529
05:07:27,480 --> 05:07:30,880
Um I strongly am against data centers

8530
05:07:30,880 --> 05:07:34,320
and all of that sounded well. I think

8531
05:07:34,320 --> 05:07:37,320
um honestly, I don't trust I don't trust

8532
05:07:37,320 --> 05:07:39,680
it. I think it's for the rich to get

8533
05:07:39,680 --> 05:07:40,800
richer.

8534
05:07:40,800 --> 05:07:44,720
Um I'm a highly against for the even the

8535
05:07:44,720 --> 05:07:47,280
small amount of environment with the

8536
05:07:47,280 --> 05:07:49,400
heat that we have right now and all the

8537
05:07:49,400 --> 05:07:52,000
fires going on is a very big concern for

8538
05:07:52,000 --> 05:07:52,880
me.

8539
05:07:52,880 --> 05:07:55,160
And um I hope there's some protests

8540
05:07:55,160 --> 05:07:57,760
against this, honestly. So, that's what

8541
05:07:57,760 --> 05:07:58,880
I got.

8542
05:07:58,880 --> 05:08:07,830
Thank you. Thank you, Megan.

8543
05:08:07,840 --> 05:08:10,280
» Uh Alan Westman, I've been a long time

8544
05:08:10,280 --> 05:08:13,000
resident of Spanish Fork. Um

8545
05:08:13,000 --> 05:08:15,240
and I attended the city council meeting

8546
05:08:15,240 --> 05:08:16,760
last night, so this a lot of this

8547
05:08:16,760 --> 05:08:18,880
presentation was familiar to me and I've

8548
05:08:18,880 --> 05:08:23,120
um sent some questions the way of the Volition folks and appreciate their

8549
05:08:23,120 --> 05:08:25,000
engagement. Um

8550
05:08:25,000 --> 05:08:27,200
there is a lot that they've presented

8551
05:08:27,200 --> 05:08:28,960
that on its face

8552
05:08:28,960 --> 05:08:31,160
uh seems compelling

8553
05:08:31,160 --> 05:08:34,280
uh and uh is plausible.

8554
05:08:34,280 --> 05:08:35,920
There are some things that I have

8555
05:08:35,920 --> 05:08:38,280
concerns about. the thermal the thermal

8556
05:08:38,280 --> 05:08:42,920
output, the heat, is one of those um

8557
05:08:42,920 --> 05:08:44,320
the

8558
05:08:44,320 --> 05:08:48,080
as these computer chips consume energy,

8559
05:08:48,080 --> 05:08:49,680
they are transforming they're doing some

8560
05:08:49,680 --> 05:08:51,200
useful work with the electrons pushing

8561
05:08:51,200 --> 05:08:53,320
them around in patterns in in

8562
05:08:53,320 --> 05:08:54,840
interesting ways,

8563
05:08:54,840 --> 05:09:00,000
but then that energy becomes heat.

8564
05:09:00,000 --> 05:09:02,160
And almost uh there's no moving parts,

8565
05:09:02,160 --> 05:09:03,720
there's no mechanical, you know, there's

8566
05:09:03,720 --> 05:09:05,800
no other place for that energy to go

8567
05:09:05,800 --> 05:09:08,560
except for heat.

8568
05:09:08,560 --> 05:09:11,160
And although they are they talk about

8569
05:09:11,160 --> 05:09:12,960
having heat recovery technologies that

8570
05:09:12,960 --> 05:09:14,880
allow them to be more efficient in the

8571
05:09:14,880 --> 05:09:16,920
amount of power they consume,

8572
05:09:16,920 --> 05:09:19,040
that heat

8573
05:09:19,040 --> 05:09:21,720
consumed by those chips still gets has

8574
05:09:21,720 --> 05:09:23,400
to go somewhere.

8575
05:09:23,400 --> 05:09:27,120
250 MW of power

8576
05:09:27,120 --> 05:09:29,520
translated into heat

8577
05:09:29,520 --> 05:09:32,920
is to me not a light industrial use. And

8578
05:09:32,920 --> 05:09:36,840
so speaking to the amendment that is before you,

8579
05:09:36,840 --> 05:09:39,920
I feel that it is improperly sized. This

8580
05:09:39,920 --> 05:09:42,080
should be It will and I should I should

8581
05:09:42,080 --> 05:09:43,960
qualify that.

8582
05:09:43,960 --> 05:09:46,280
Depending on the scale at which they

8583
05:09:46,280 --> 05:09:49,400
operate, how many megawatts they are

8584
05:09:49,400 --> 05:09:51,640
consuming and and and megawatts of heat

8585
05:09:51,640 --> 05:09:54,280
that they're producing, it seems like

8586
05:09:54,280 --> 05:09:57,000
there needs to be a threshold stated in

8587
05:09:57,000 --> 05:09:59,520
this amendment

8588
05:09:59,520 --> 05:10:01,840
that says this is light industrial and

8589
05:10:01,840 --> 05:10:04,480
now this is heavy industrial.

8590
05:10:04,480 --> 05:10:06,320
Because we're talking something on the

8591
05:10:06,320 --> 05:10:07,640
scale of

8592
05:10:07,640 --> 05:10:10,800
I mean it's a power plant. Flaming Gorge Dam

8593
05:10:10,800 --> 05:10:14,080
produces 150 MW

8594
05:10:14,080 --> 05:10:15,400
of energy.

8595
05:10:15,400 --> 05:10:16,440
Um

8596
05:10:16,440 --> 05:10:18,720
the Gadsby power plant in Salt Lake City

8597
05:10:18,720 --> 05:10:20,160
on North Temple, if you're familiar with

8598
05:10:20,160 --> 05:10:22,720
that, near the the state fairgrounds,

8599
05:10:22,720 --> 05:10:24,680
that is 350

8600
05:10:24,680 --> 05:10:26,600
MW. And so we're talking something in

8601
05:10:26,600 --> 05:10:29,280
between that on that scale. That is the

8602
05:10:29,280 --> 05:10:31,320
amount of heat that will be produced. I

8603
05:10:31,320 --> 05:10:33,840
don't necessarily buy the

8604
05:10:33,840 --> 05:10:35,360
um

8605
05:10:35,360 --> 05:10:36,680
by the

8606
05:10:36,680 --> 05:10:39,200
there will be a minimal amount of heat

8607
05:10:39,200 --> 05:10:41,400
noticed. Um I think the heat will also

8608
05:10:41,400 --> 05:10:42,320
be

8609
05:10:42,320 --> 05:10:43,520
um

8610
05:10:43,520 --> 05:10:45,440
apparent even when wind is blowing

8611
05:10:45,440 --> 05:10:47,760
because there will be a plume of heat

8612
05:10:47,760 --> 05:10:49,600
directed whatever direction that wind is

8613
05:10:49,600 --> 05:10:50,600
going.

8614
05:10:50,600 --> 05:10:53,400
So, I would urge the commission to maybe

8615
05:10:53,400 --> 05:10:56,200
take a moment and and and

8616
05:10:56,200 --> 05:10:58,320
ask for the legal team to go back and

8617
05:10:58,320 --> 05:11:00,320
include some provision uh related to

8618
05:11:00,320 --> 05:11:03,200
heat output because that to me is one of

8619
05:11:03,200 --> 05:11:04,960
the critical emissions that is not

8620
05:11:04,960 --> 05:11:07,040
mentioned or accounted for in this.

8621
05:11:07,040 --> 05:11:13,870
Thank you.

8622
05:11:13,880 --> 05:11:16,640
» Uh John Sampson.

8623
05:11:16,640 --> 05:11:18,280
Um

8624
05:11:18,280 --> 05:11:21,400
you said you had a lot of background and

8625
05:11:21,400 --> 05:11:23,160
it sounds like a good niche. Why isn't

8626
05:11:23,160 --> 05:11:25,760
everybody else going down this path?

8627
05:11:25,760 --> 05:11:27,160
If it it

8628
05:11:27,160 --> 05:11:29,520
to me it sounds too good to be true.

8629
05:11:29,520 --> 05:11:31,280
If this is

8630
05:11:31,280 --> 05:11:33,240
I I believe you

8631
05:11:33,240 --> 05:11:34,640
and

8632
05:11:34,640 --> 05:11:35,760
um

8633
05:11:35,760 --> 05:11:38,560
why isn't Anthropic, OpenAI, Oracle

8634
05:11:38,560 --> 05:11:40,560
knocking down doors, walls, buildings to

8635
05:11:40,560 --> 05:11:43,560
get it independent of you?

8636
05:11:43,560 --> 05:11:45,960
Um another question about finances.

8637
05:11:45,960 --> 05:11:47,640
Hypothetical

8638
05:11:47,640 --> 05:11:49,880
5-year depreciation cycle.

8639
05:11:49,880 --> 05:11:51,360
That means quick depreciation and

8640
05:11:51,360 --> 05:11:53,600
correspondingly quick tax revenue

8641
05:11:53,600 --> 05:11:55,400
decrease.

8642
05:11:55,400 --> 05:11:57,120
In addition to that, is there any city

8643
05:11:57,120 --> 05:11:59,440
revenue from purchase

8644
05:11:59,440 --> 05:12:01,240
uh of your services?

8645
05:12:01,240 --> 05:12:04,000
I don't know. That wasn't stated.

8646
05:12:04,000 --> 05:12:05,680
Um how do you contain the noise

8647
05:12:05,680 --> 05:12:09,880
pollution? What are the mechanics of that containment?

8648
05:12:09,880 --> 05:12:11,440
What are the frequencies of the noise?

8649
05:12:11,440 --> 05:12:14,080
Is it high-pitched? Is it low-pitched?

8650
05:12:14,080 --> 05:12:16,560
How far does it travel?

8651
05:12:16,560 --> 05:12:18,480
Uh the noise regulations in this thing I

8652
05:12:18,480 --> 05:12:21,240
saw on the screen said 65 decibels at

8653
05:12:21,240 --> 05:12:22,920
the site,

8654
05:12:22,920 --> 05:12:25,960
55 decibels at the nearest residence.

8655
05:12:25,960 --> 05:12:27,600
Based on what you said, it sounds like

8656
05:12:27,600 --> 05:12:31,040
it would be much lower. Why isn't the um

8657
05:12:31,040 --> 05:12:33,600
the regulation

8658
05:12:33,600 --> 05:12:37,360
um match the what you say about how much

8659
05:12:37,360 --> 05:12:39,600
noise um

8660
05:12:39,600 --> 05:12:42,320
correspondingly lower level of noise.

8661
05:12:42,320 --> 05:12:44,200
You said no work for US government, no

8662
05:12:44,200 --> 05:12:46,760
work for private or public surveillance.

8663
05:12:46,760 --> 05:12:48,600
What about when you change your mind?

8664
05:12:48,600 --> 05:12:50,200
What control do we have if we won't

8665
05:12:50,200 --> 05:12:51,880
don't want that kind of workload in

8666
05:12:51,880 --> 05:12:54,200
Spanish Fork?

8667
05:12:54,200 --> 05:12:56,680
Uh you said the natural gas turns into

8668
05:12:56,680 --> 05:12:59,160
water. Sounds like a great

8669
05:12:59,160 --> 05:13:01,720
uh chemical reaction, fuel reaction.

8670
05:13:01,720 --> 05:13:03,840
Where does that water go?

8671
05:13:03,840 --> 05:13:05,840
Is there any benefit to using that water

8672
05:13:05,840 --> 05:13:08,200
inside Spanish Fork for irrigation or

8673
05:13:08,200 --> 05:13:10,560
whatever else?

8674
05:13:10,560 --> 05:13:13,200
Um what inspection regimen do you commit

8675
05:13:13,200 --> 05:13:16,640
to for accountability and enforcement on

8676
05:13:16,640 --> 05:13:17,406
heat,

8677
05:13:17,406 --> 05:13:17,760
>> [snorts]

8678
05:13:17,760 --> 05:13:18,840
>> water,

8679
05:13:18,840 --> 05:13:24,110
and um noise?

8680
05:13:24,120 --> 05:13:28,870
» Thank you. Appreciate that.

8681
05:13:28,880 --> 05:13:31,160
» I need to go take a water turn.

8682
05:13:31,160 --> 05:13:34,640
I'll be here. Thanks. Thank you.

8683
05:13:34,640 --> 05:13:37,040
>> My name is Rod Elm. Um I live in the

8684
05:13:37,040 --> 05:13:40,360
neighborhood east of Larson Elementary.

8685
05:13:40,360 --> 05:13:43,360
And I've lived here for

8686
05:13:43,360 --> 05:13:47,680
nearly the last 20 years. But uh

8687
05:13:47,680 --> 05:13:50,156
I came to be honoring.

8688
05:13:50,156 --> 05:13:50,880
>> [snorts]

8689
05:13:50,880 --> 05:13:53,960
>> I I had seen the uh

8690
05:13:53,960 --> 05:13:56,040
um

8691
05:13:56,040 --> 05:13:58,160
I I'd seen the post Spanish Fork made. I

8692
05:13:58,160 --> 05:14:01,240
appreciated the transparency on that.

8693
05:14:01,240 --> 05:14:04,440
And I noticed that 80%

8694
05:14:04,440 --> 05:14:06,680
of the people that reacted to that were

8695
05:14:06,680 --> 05:14:08,920
angry about it.

8696
05:14:08,920 --> 05:14:10,640
And

8697
05:14:10,640 --> 05:14:13,240
um I came

8698
05:14:13,240 --> 05:14:16,920
um largely because of

8699
05:14:16,920 --> 05:14:20,520
um so many concerns of data centers in

8700
05:14:20,520 --> 05:14:22,840
other places.

8701
05:14:22,840 --> 05:14:24,920
And uh

8702
05:14:24,920 --> 05:14:28,240
I have changed my mind.

8703
05:14:28,240 --> 05:14:30,000
Um Paul,

8704
05:14:30,000 --> 05:14:33,120
I couldn't ask for somebody to

8705
05:14:33,120 --> 05:14:36,160
um have asked more tough questions than

8706
05:14:36,160 --> 05:14:37,840
you have tonight.

8707
05:14:37,840 --> 05:14:39,560
And I can't tell you how much I

8708
05:14:39,560 --> 05:14:41,600
appreciate you.

8709
05:14:41,600 --> 05:14:42,920
And

8710
05:14:42,920 --> 05:14:45,000
you didn't give an easy interview to

8711
05:14:45,000 --> 05:14:47,440
Jeff back here.

8712
05:14:47,440 --> 05:14:49,040
Um

8713
05:14:49,040 --> 05:14:51,320
and uh I had a great conversation with

8714
05:14:51,320 --> 05:14:52,480
Curtis, another one of the

8715
05:14:52,480 --> 05:14:55,800
representatives in the hallway earlier.

8716
05:14:55,800 --> 05:14:57,840
Um

8717
05:14:57,840 --> 05:15:00,560
if everything is true, I'm a fan.

8718
05:15:00,560 --> 05:15:02,520
I'm a big fan.

8719
05:15:02,520 --> 05:15:04,680
I think they would be a great asset in

8720
05:15:04,680 --> 05:15:08,120
Spanish Fork if everything pans out

8721
05:15:08,120 --> 05:15:09,920
and every if everything is stays

8722
05:15:09,920 --> 05:15:11,680
transparent.

8723
05:15:11,680 --> 05:15:15,560
Um I love what I've seen so far.

8724
05:15:15,560 --> 05:15:17,680
And I want that maintained.

8725
05:15:17,680 --> 05:15:21,040
I want you to keep them to their word.

8726
05:15:21,040 --> 05:15:23,120
And uh

8727
05:15:23,120 --> 05:15:25,720
I will be, too.

8728
05:15:25,720 --> 05:15:27,240
That's all I have to say.

8729
05:15:27,240 --> 05:15:31,390
>> Thank you very much.

8730
05:15:31,400 --> 05:15:32,840
» That's one of my principles that I

8731
05:15:32,840 --> 05:15:34,640
learned in planning commission is be

8732
05:15:34,640 --> 05:15:37,440
willing to listen and change your mind

8733
05:15:37,440 --> 05:15:39,960
if you need to. Good job.

8734
05:15:39,960 --> 05:15:40,880
Thank you.

8735
05:15:40,880 --> 05:15:42,840
>> Hi, my name is Carla Shade. I live near

8736
05:15:42,840 --> 05:15:44,640
Maple Mountain High School.

8737
05:15:44,640 --> 05:15:46,720
I am not fundamentally opposed to AI

8738
05:15:46,720 --> 05:15:49,440
data centers or any data center.

8739
05:15:49,440 --> 05:15:51,640
Um but I would like to ask you to

8740
05:15:51,640 --> 05:15:54,120
exercise caution as you move forward

8741
05:15:54,120 --> 05:15:55,760
with regard to this data center and

8742
05:15:55,760 --> 05:15:57,240
future data centers because the

8743
05:15:57,240 --> 05:16:00,120
amendments not only apply to volition,

8744
05:16:00,120 --> 05:16:02,840
which appears to be a dreamy data center

8745
05:16:02,840 --> 05:16:06,200
that we all would like versus hyperscale

8746
05:16:06,200 --> 05:16:09,200
data center. Um but

8747
05:16:09,200 --> 05:16:11,040
our health and environment are sacred

8748
05:16:11,040 --> 05:16:12,640
and no community should be forced to

8749
05:16:12,640 --> 05:16:14,320
sacrifice clean air, clean water, or

8750
05:16:14,320 --> 05:16:16,720
safe homes for a commercial enterprise.

8751
05:16:16,720 --> 05:16:18,160
And I don't speak to the integrity of

8752
05:16:18,160 --> 05:16:20,000
this company. We have numerous examples

8753
05:16:20,000 --> 05:16:22,640
nationwide where promises were made and

8754
05:16:22,640 --> 05:16:25,040
then broken. Wastewater was returned to

8755
05:16:25,040 --> 05:16:26,840
city sewers, large buildings than

8756
05:16:26,840 --> 05:16:29,680
planned, unauthorized energy generators,

8757
05:16:29,680 --> 05:16:31,320
large amounts of heat released, and

8758
05:16:31,320 --> 05:16:33,960
sound levels promised and exceeded.

8759
05:16:33,960 --> 05:16:35,480
They made promises just like we're

8760
05:16:35,480 --> 05:16:41,760
getting promises here today. We need a way to be able to

8761
05:16:41,760 --> 05:16:45,080
have enforcement of guardrails.

8762
05:16:45,080 --> 05:16:46,920
Um I appreciate the amendments that you

8763
05:16:46,920 --> 05:16:48,520
put in in the research that you have,

8764
05:16:48,520 --> 05:16:51,560
but I think you're right that a contract

8765
05:16:51,560 --> 05:16:54,080
would make these things more enforceable

8766
05:16:54,080 --> 05:16:56,440
in the future, not only for this data

8767
05:16:56,440 --> 05:16:58,360
center, but future possible data centers

8768
05:16:58,360 --> 05:17:00,720
as well.

8769
05:17:00,720 --> 05:17:03,000
Um this company, as they mentioned, has

8770
05:17:03,000 --> 05:17:05,720
no current data centers or history or a

8771
05:17:05,720 --> 05:17:07,640
track record that we can look at. This

8772
05:17:07,640 --> 05:17:09,920
is basically all

8773
05:17:09,920 --> 05:17:12,440
mostly conceptual. I mean, they've done

8774
05:17:12,440 --> 05:17:13,600
the research, they've done the

8775
05:17:13,600 --> 05:17:15,080
engineering,

8776
05:17:15,080 --> 05:17:16,240
but

8777
05:17:16,240 --> 05:17:18,160
something like a community benefits

8778
05:17:18,160 --> 05:17:20,280
agreement or contract

8779
05:17:20,280 --> 05:17:22,600
entered into by the data center

8780
05:17:22,600 --> 05:17:24,840
developer and Spanish Fork

8781
05:17:24,840 --> 05:17:26,320
could ensure

8782
05:17:26,320 --> 05:17:29,920
that the developer provides measurable,

8783
05:17:29,920 --> 05:17:32,160
enforceable

8784
05:17:32,160 --> 05:17:33,240
um

8785
05:17:33,240 --> 05:17:35,880
items and guardrails for the community

8786
05:17:35,880 --> 05:17:38,520
and our host environment. So, I would

8787
05:17:38,520 --> 05:17:40,360
ask that you exercise caution and

8788
05:17:40,360 --> 05:17:41,840
remember that we're not just dealing

8789
05:17:41,840 --> 05:17:43,680
with Volition that seems to make all

8790
05:17:43,680 --> 05:17:45,640
these promises, but then future data

8791
05:17:45,640 --> 05:17:48,040
centers because of the right to build.

8792
05:17:48,040 --> 05:17:51,800
Um that I would like to see measurable

8793
05:17:51,800 --> 05:17:54,200
guardrails, enforceable guardrails in

8794
05:17:54,200 --> 05:17:56,160
place so that we can protect our

8795
05:17:56,160 --> 05:17:57,880
community and the resources that we all

8796
05:17:57,880 --> 05:17:59,600
value. Thank you.

8797
05:17:59,600 --> 05:18:01,960
>> Thank you very much.

8798
05:18:01,960 --> 05:18:05,590
I'm writing down your words.

8799
05:18:05,600 --> 05:18:06,960
Okay.

8800
05:18:06,960 --> 05:18:11,310
Who would like to come speak next?

8801
05:18:11,320 --> 05:18:12,960
All right.

8802
05:18:12,960 --> 05:18:14,520
Seeing that there's none, we'll close

8803
05:18:14,520 --> 05:18:16,480
our public hearing and we'll have a

8804
05:18:16,480 --> 05:18:19,480
discussion and questions with the

8805
05:18:19,480 --> 05:18:21,280
commission.

8806
05:18:21,280 --> 05:18:23,280
Let's just go down the row.

8807
05:18:23,280 --> 05:18:25,200
>> First, I want to go to lunch with Paul

8808
05:18:25,200 --> 05:18:26,360
so he can explain to me

8809
05:18:26,360 --> 05:18:27,160
>> Right.

8810
05:18:27,160 --> 05:18:29,200
>> what he even said.

8811
05:18:29,200 --> 05:18:31,000
Um I I think my biggest concern is it's

8812
05:18:31,000 --> 05:18:33,680
just this seems to be happening so fast,

8813
05:18:33,680 --> 05:18:35,720
which which I get, but there's just so

8814
05:18:35,720 --> 05:18:37,480
much that I don't have a clue or

8815
05:18:37,480 --> 05:18:39,120
understand. Um

8816
05:18:39,120 --> 05:18:41,120
and I know we have meetings set for the

8817
05:18:41,120 --> 05:18:42,800
public. I'd like to kind of see how they

8818
05:18:42,800 --> 05:18:45,520
turn before I start making any promises

8819
05:18:45,520 --> 05:18:48,550
in this.

8820
05:18:48,560 --> 05:18:50,160
» Um

8821
05:18:50,160 --> 05:18:51,960
I appreciate the discussion. Thanks. I I

8822
05:18:51,960 --> 05:18:53,720
grilled you with a lot of questions and

8823
05:18:53,720 --> 05:18:57,920
um but I think it's it's appropriate and I'll actually say for the citizens,

8824
05:18:57,920 --> 05:19:00,440
I think we had some excellent feedback.

8825
05:19:00,440 --> 05:19:01,120
Um

8826
05:19:01,120 --> 05:19:03,480
if you go look at the dialogue online,

8827
05:19:03,480 --> 05:19:06,760
um it's nowhere near uh what we heard

8828
05:19:06,760 --> 05:19:08,800
here and I absolutely appreciate the

8829
05:19:08,800 --> 05:19:10,400
feedback from every citizen here who

8830
05:19:10,400 --> 05:19:13,400
spoke. Um it was um it it was good

8831
05:19:13,400 --> 05:19:15,200
feedback. Um

8832
05:19:15,200 --> 05:19:18,400
I guess I'll go back to what I um kind

8833
05:19:18,400 --> 05:19:21,040
of the theme that I had here and it's not that I had a preconceived

8834
05:19:21,040 --> 05:19:24,000
notion. I saw our agenda. I literally looked at

8835
05:19:24,000 --> 05:19:27,320
it yesterday um after work and then I

8836
05:19:27,320 --> 05:19:29,080
uh spent a lot of time going down the

8837
05:19:29,080 --> 05:19:30,400
stuff and a lot of the stuff I is is

8838
05:19:30,400 --> 05:19:32,360
stuff I'm aware of as well, but we are

8839
05:19:32,360 --> 05:19:35,000
really been in a world that that has

8840
05:19:35,000 --> 05:19:36,480
um

8841
05:19:36,480 --> 05:19:39,400
unique events happening right now very

8842
05:19:39,400 --> 05:19:40,600
much related with artificial

8843
05:19:40,600 --> 05:19:42,080
intelligence. So, this is just directly

8844
05:19:42,080 --> 05:19:44,000
why we're having this discussion here.

8845
05:19:44,000 --> 05:19:46,280
Um I'm just going to say I'm I'm not

8846
05:19:46,280 --> 05:19:48,320
inclined to support this right now.

8847
05:19:48,320 --> 05:19:50,560
My main concern is uh

8848
05:19:50,560 --> 05:19:53,280
this is a pioneering effort.

8849
05:19:53,280 --> 05:19:54,960
I get that Spanish work does some very

8850
05:19:54,960 --> 05:19:57,800
unique things here. We have SFCN, you

8851
05:19:57,800 --> 05:19:59,440
know, our internet provider that is

8852
05:19:59,440 --> 05:20:01,200
excellent, that's unique with everything

8853
05:20:01,200 --> 05:20:04,440
else. We have, I would say, very much a

8854
05:20:04,440 --> 05:20:06,400
world-class city that has put together a

8855
05:20:06,400 --> 05:20:08,680
wonderful community here.

8856
05:20:08,680 --> 05:20:09,880
I

8857
05:20:09,880 --> 05:20:11,600
deeply feel like I'm not ready to

8858
05:20:11,600 --> 05:20:14,160
experiment with something like this here

8859
05:20:14,160 --> 05:20:15,760
in Spanish Fork.

8860
05:20:15,760 --> 05:20:17,160
Not at this time.

8861
05:20:17,160 --> 05:20:19,520
I get the world is changing so much. I

8862
05:20:19,520 --> 05:20:20,920
get

8863
05:20:20,920 --> 05:20:23,200
at some point, you know,

8864
05:20:23,200 --> 05:20:25,400
with the rapid velocity that we're

8865
05:20:25,400 --> 05:20:27,640
seeing with innovation and improvement,

8866
05:20:27,640 --> 05:20:29,680
we may get efficiencies that make data

8867
05:20:29,680 --> 05:20:32,160
centers at this point unnecessary. Or we

8868
05:20:32,160 --> 05:20:34,240
may find, similar to the Dyson Sphere

8869
05:20:34,240 --> 05:20:35,920
comment, which is very science fiction

8870
05:20:35,920 --> 05:20:38,520
but also very much what we're looking at in terms

8871
05:20:38,520 --> 05:20:40,880
of energy consumption, that that that we

8872
05:20:40,880 --> 05:20:42,560
may, you know, continue to increase our

8873
05:20:42,560 --> 05:20:44,600
energy consumption infinitely on into

8874
05:20:44,600 --> 05:20:46,000
the future.

8875
05:20:46,000 --> 05:20:47,280
With that said, I don't know that I want

8876
05:20:47,280 --> 05:20:49,280
to experiment with that here in Spanish

8877
05:20:49,280 --> 05:20:51,240
Fork right at this time.

8878
05:20:51,240 --> 05:20:53,640
I will say though that,

8879
05:20:53,640 --> 05:20:56,280
you know, if if we do pass this,

8880
05:20:56,280 --> 05:20:58,880
um I I think the comment for some

8881
05:20:58,880 --> 05:21:00,800
thresholds here, even around the higher

8882
05:21:00,800 --> 05:21:03,640
threshold, would be willing and or would

8883
05:21:03,640 --> 05:21:06,360
be pertinent um to at least consider.

8884
05:21:06,360 --> 05:21:08,320
So, that's my thoughts.

8885
05:21:08,320 --> 05:21:10,200
>> Thank you.

8886
05:21:10,200 --> 05:21:13,040
Very compelling presentation. Um learned

8887
05:21:13,040 --> 05:21:16,720
a lot. I can see the potential benefits

8888
05:21:16,720 --> 05:21:19,120
um for the city and those that live

8889
05:21:19,120 --> 05:21:20,680
around it, particularly some of the

8890
05:21:20,680 --> 05:21:22,600
other uses that could be used in that

8891
05:21:22,600 --> 05:21:25,440
building. I really appreciate Paul, your

8892
05:21:25,440 --> 05:21:27,760
engagement and your questions um that

8893
05:21:27,760 --> 05:21:29,120
you asked. That was That was very

8894
05:21:29,120 --> 05:21:32,280
helpful to me. I do have a question for

8895
05:21:32,280 --> 05:21:34,120
the city staff.

8896
05:21:34,120 --> 05:21:35,880
With this agree this potential

8897
05:21:35,880 --> 05:21:37,280
agreement,

8898
05:21:37,280 --> 05:21:40,520
it was not too long ago that we were

8899
05:21:40,520 --> 05:21:42,120
um talking about a different entity with

8900
05:21:42,120 --> 05:21:44,800
very deep pockets that the city would

8901
05:21:44,800 --> 05:21:49,280
have an inability to defend, pursue, um

8902
05:21:49,280 --> 05:21:51,520
go through a legal process with an

8903
05:21:51,520 --> 05:21:52,920
entity that

8904
05:21:52,920 --> 05:21:54,520
has deep pockets.

8905
05:21:54,520 --> 05:21:56,520
If if this was approved and it goes

8906
05:21:56,520 --> 05:21:59,200
forth and there's violations for the

8907
05:21:59,200 --> 05:22:02,600
agreement, and and we're talking

8908
05:22:02,600 --> 05:22:05,800
huge amounts of money that most of us

8909
05:22:05,800 --> 05:22:08,320
can't wrap our heads around.

8910
05:22:08,320 --> 05:22:11,000
Can the city

8911
05:22:11,000 --> 05:22:14,400
with your resources really stand up to

8912
05:22:14,400 --> 05:22:19,630
that kind of financing?

8913
05:22:19,640 --> 05:22:21,880
» Well, I just I thought but

8914
05:22:21,880 --> 05:22:24,000
from a

8915
05:22:24,000 --> 05:22:26,080
Um as we talked about from a legal

8916
05:22:26,080 --> 05:22:28,760
perspective, it's best your remedies are

8917
05:22:28,760 --> 05:22:30,120
a lot better if you have a contractual

8918
05:22:30,120 --> 05:22:31,800
agreement than if it were just a code

8919
05:22:31,800 --> 05:22:32,960
agreement. So, the fact that they were

8920
05:22:32,960 --> 05:22:34,120
willing to enter into a development

8921
05:22:34,120 --> 05:22:36,880
agreement makes it a lot more feasible

8922
05:22:36,880 --> 05:22:38,880
for us to

8923
05:22:38,880 --> 05:22:41,520
try to enforce or to take on a company

8924
05:22:41,520 --> 05:22:43,200
of whatever size

8925
05:22:43,200 --> 05:22:44,642
than if we just

8926
05:22:44,642 --> 05:22:47,110
>> [cough]

8927
05:22:47,120 --> 05:22:49,840
» Okay, thank you. And I'll also echo the

8928
05:22:49,840 --> 05:22:51,360
sentiments. Um

8929
05:22:51,360 --> 05:22:53,960
I I appreciate how transparent this has

8930
05:22:53,960 --> 05:22:57,280
been. I love that you have open houses

8931
05:22:57,280 --> 05:23:00,760
coming up. I am leaning towards I feel

8932
05:23:00,760 --> 05:23:02,720
it's a little premature.

8933
05:23:02,720 --> 05:23:05,720
Um I'm I'm not opposed to the project.

8934
05:23:05,720 --> 05:23:07,480
Um but with the discussion and the

8935
05:23:07,480 --> 05:23:09,440
points that Paul made, I feel like it's

8936
05:23:09,440 --> 05:23:12,080
a little bit premature. Um particularly

8937
05:23:12,080 --> 05:23:13,520
that there's there's no model. This

8938
05:23:13,520 --> 05:23:15,600
hasn't hasn't been done before. They are

8939
05:23:15,600 --> 05:23:19,160
pioneering. Um and I would say that uh

8940
05:23:19,160 --> 05:23:21,160
my house is hot enough. I don't even

8941
05:23:21,160 --> 05:23:24,040
want one extra degree temperature uh

8942
05:23:24,040 --> 05:23:27,590
this summer.

8943
05:23:27,600 --> 05:23:29,280
Okay.

8944
05:23:29,280 --> 05:23:30,840
Uh

8945
05:23:30,840 --> 05:23:33,440
I think maybe I'm a Pollyanna

8946
05:23:33,440 --> 05:23:34,720
and

8947
05:23:34,720 --> 05:23:37,960
I really appreciate

8948
05:23:37,960 --> 05:23:41,200
Paul's expertise and uh and words

8949
05:23:41,200 --> 05:23:43,720
tonight. It kind of opened my eyes a

8950
05:23:43,720 --> 05:23:44,960
little more.

8951
05:23:44,960 --> 05:23:48,040
Uh I appreciate I've already said that I

8952
05:23:48,040 --> 05:23:56,000
appreciate that there will be a a contractual development agreement. I

8953
05:23:56,000 --> 05:23:58,880
appreciate the willingness

8954
05:23:58,880 --> 05:24:00,120
um

8955
05:24:00,120 --> 05:24:03,680
of volition to enter into that in in

8956
05:24:03,680 --> 05:24:05,040
good faith.

8957
05:24:05,040 --> 05:24:06,920
Um

8958
05:24:06,920 --> 05:24:09,160
I I too

8959
05:24:09,160 --> 05:24:11,840
feel like if this is true and this

8960
05:24:11,840 --> 05:24:14,480
really works, then it really could be an

8961
05:24:14,480 --> 05:24:18,480
asset to the entire industry. Somebody

8962
05:24:18,480 --> 05:24:21,720
has to start. It seems like what's

8963
05:24:21,720 --> 05:24:25,440
happened here protects Spanish Fork.

8964
05:24:25,440 --> 05:24:28,360
Uh and

8965
05:24:28,360 --> 05:24:30,100
I'm just

8966
05:24:30,100 --> 05:24:30,320
>> [snorts]

8967
05:24:30,320 --> 05:24:33,320
>> I and I appreciate knowing that Spanish

8968
05:24:33,320 --> 05:24:36,360
Fork has that there have been other data

8969
05:24:36,360 --> 05:24:37,800
centers that have wanted to come into

8970
05:24:37,800 --> 05:24:40,240
Spanish Fork and Spanish Fork has said,

8971
05:24:40,240 --> 05:24:42,600
"Not here. We're not doing that here."

8972
05:24:42,600 --> 05:24:44,720
Like they're looking to protect Spanish

8973
05:24:44,720 --> 05:24:45,800
Fork.

8974
05:24:45,800 --> 05:24:47,160
Um

8975
05:24:47,160 --> 05:24:49,080
and

8976
05:24:49,080 --> 05:24:51,520
that this is a very different thing than

8977
05:24:51,520 --> 05:24:53,320
other data centers.

8978
05:24:53,320 --> 05:24:56,520
Uh I appreciate how open you are and

8979
05:24:56,520 --> 05:24:58,000
willing to

8980
05:24:58,000 --> 05:25:00,200
just willing to have the conversations

8981
05:25:00,200 --> 05:25:03,720
until 11:30 plus at night.

8982
05:25:03,720 --> 05:25:07,040
Uh and have done 8 months of work

8983
05:25:07,040 --> 05:25:09,600
already with Spanish Fork City.

8984
05:25:09,600 --> 05:25:11,240
Um

8985
05:25:11,240 --> 05:25:12,360
I

8986
05:25:12,360 --> 05:25:15,120
am a supporter and I think that it I

8987
05:25:15,120 --> 05:25:17,520
think that it would feel

8988
05:25:17,520 --> 05:25:19,040
I think I would feel

8989
05:25:19,040 --> 05:25:20,640
uh

8990
05:25:20,640 --> 05:25:22,680
good about about supporting the text

8991
05:25:22,680 --> 05:25:24,280
amendment and then letting the City

8992
05:25:24,280 --> 05:25:25,880
Council

8993
05:25:25,880 --> 05:25:26,880
uh

8994
05:25:26,880 --> 05:25:30,880
continue to discuss that. I really would

8995
05:25:30,880 --> 05:25:34,160
love it if there was a way to

8996
05:25:34,160 --> 05:25:37,760
um really publicize these open houses

8997
05:25:37,760 --> 05:25:39,080
because there's a lot of people that

8998
05:25:39,080 --> 05:25:40,800
have a really bad taste in their mouth

8999
05:25:40,800 --> 05:25:42,680
about data centers. You say that word

9000
05:25:42,680 --> 05:25:45,200
and and and you put it on social media

9001
05:25:45,200 --> 05:25:47,080
and you're like and everybody is like,

9002
05:25:47,080 --> 05:25:49,280
"Heck no."

9003
05:25:49,280 --> 05:25:51,280
And uh

9004
05:25:51,280 --> 05:25:53,680
and I think you come and have a

9005
05:25:53,680 --> 05:25:55,720
conversation and you keep having

9006
05:25:55,720 --> 05:25:57,440
conversations

9007
05:25:57,440 --> 05:25:59,400
and uh

9008
05:25:59,400 --> 05:26:02,000
and there will be reasonable people that

9009
05:26:02,000 --> 05:26:05,280
ask really good questions honestly

9010
05:26:05,280 --> 05:26:07,640
and can and can see that this is not

9011
05:26:07,640 --> 05:26:09,920
like other data centers and then

9012
05:26:09,920 --> 05:26:12,600
make some decisions.

9013
05:26:12,600 --> 05:26:15,000
I don't know what to say about the heat.

9014
05:26:15,000 --> 05:26:17,000
I live right there. I work out at my

9015
05:26:17,000 --> 05:26:20,040
house, too. We love our Spanish Fork

9016
05:26:20,040 --> 05:26:23,440
wind at our house. It's a

9017
05:26:23,440 --> 05:26:26,400
gale. We love it. So, I don't know what

9018
05:26:26,400 --> 05:26:28,760
to say except for that I that I think

9019
05:26:28,760 --> 05:26:32,790
that I would I would support Traine.

9020
05:26:32,800 --> 05:26:36,160
» Okay. Um I want to thank Jeff. Um

9021
05:26:36,160 --> 05:26:38,680
that was an excellent presentation. I

9022
05:26:38,680 --> 05:26:41,240
think I'm a lot like our good friend uh

9023
05:26:41,240 --> 05:26:43,840
Rod here who had his mind changed

9024
05:26:43,840 --> 05:26:46,240
uh today and uh

9025
05:26:46,240 --> 05:26:48,320
I I I'm excited about this and being a

9026
05:26:48,320 --> 05:26:50,200
pioneer doesn't scare me.

9027
05:26:50,200 --> 05:26:51,920
I I think this town and this city and

9028
05:26:51,920 --> 05:26:54,280
this state was built by pioneers.

9029
05:26:54,280 --> 05:26:58,920
Um but I I am very cautious. Um

9030
05:26:58,920 --> 05:26:59,920
we need to have some serious

9031
05:26:59,920 --> 05:27:02,520
transparency and that can

9032
05:27:02,520 --> 05:27:06,400
the contract I think is going to be the kicker there.

9033
05:27:06,400 --> 05:27:07,880
And and I appreciate your willingness to

9034
05:27:07,880 --> 05:27:11,120
enter into that. Um I'm excited. I'm

9035
05:27:11,120 --> 05:27:12,880
excited to see that happen.

9036
05:27:12,880 --> 05:27:14,440
I I think this is a good thing and I

9037
05:27:14,440 --> 05:27:17,160
think I feel like Spanish Fork is being

9038
05:27:17,160 --> 05:27:19,760
protected on every angle that they can

9039
05:27:19,760 --> 05:27:25,550
be protected and uh so so I'm on board.

9040
05:27:25,560 --> 05:27:29,000
» All right. Um thank you for all the

9041
05:27:29,000 --> 05:27:31,040
effort you put in and

9042
05:27:31,040 --> 05:27:32,480
deal, you know, answer all the

9043
05:27:32,480 --> 05:27:34,120
questions. That was really good

9044
05:27:34,120 --> 05:27:35,640
presentation.

9045
05:27:35,640 --> 05:27:38,670
Um

9046
05:27:38,680 --> 05:27:40,560
I'm in favor.

9047
05:27:40,560 --> 05:27:42,480
Um I look at there's many of the

9048
05:27:42,480 --> 05:27:43,960
questions say that

9049
05:27:43,960 --> 05:27:47,040
the heat, the effect of the heat. Okay.

9050
05:27:47,040 --> 05:27:49,240
Um we have parking lots in this town

9051
05:27:49,240 --> 05:27:51,800
that that increase the heat that much.

9052
05:27:51,800 --> 05:27:57,630
Costco, Macy's, Walmart, Lowe's.

9053
05:27:57,640 --> 05:27:59,240
All [clears throat] that up there.

9054
05:27:59,240 --> 05:28:01,760
That whole shopping center.

9055
05:28:01,760 --> 05:28:03,400
You know, they they increase the heat

9056
05:28:03,400 --> 05:28:04,920
also.

9057
05:28:04,920 --> 05:28:07,670
Um

9058
05:28:07,680 --> 05:28:10,120
It's a new technology. It's It's

9059
05:28:10,120 --> 05:28:12,120
exciting. I like the pioneering aspect

9060
05:28:12,120 --> 05:28:13,560
of it.

9061
05:28:13,560 --> 05:28:16,720
The Spanish Spanish Fork City is is not

9062
05:28:16,720 --> 05:28:18,960
going to be on the hook for a lot of

9063
05:28:18,960 --> 05:28:22,160
infrastructure development any at all.

9064
05:28:22,160 --> 05:28:24,640
To my understanding, which I like.

9065
05:28:24,640 --> 05:28:26,640
And this amendment The difference

9066
05:28:26,640 --> 05:28:29,440
between this amendment at this time

9067
05:28:29,440 --> 05:28:31,520
to title 15 and the one we dealt with a

9068
05:28:31,520 --> 05:28:32,960
few months ago

9069
05:28:32,960 --> 05:28:35,280
is that one we buried our head in the

9070
05:28:35,280 --> 05:28:37,760
sand to give the

9071
05:28:37,760 --> 05:28:39,560
entity coming in

9072
05:28:39,560 --> 05:28:41,440
free reign to do what they want to do.

9073
05:28:41,440 --> 05:28:44,480
This one we're holding them to to

9074
05:28:44,480 --> 05:28:46,920
certain conditions, tight conditions.

9075
05:28:46,920 --> 05:28:49,480
They're legally binding in a contract.

9076
05:28:49,480 --> 05:28:51,320
And I like that.

9077
05:28:51,320 --> 05:28:52,680
And so,

9078
05:28:52,680 --> 05:28:54,520
you know, I'm for it.

9079
05:28:54,520 --> 05:28:58,920
Um I'm not worried that it's new technology or

9080
05:28:58,920 --> 05:29:01,320
anything. You know, this city was built

9081
05:29:01,320 --> 05:29:03,120
by pioneers.

9082
05:29:03,120 --> 05:29:05,760
And I'm excited for it. So, I'm in

9083
05:29:05,760 --> 05:29:09,590
support.

9084
05:29:09,600 --> 05:29:11,920
» All right. Any other

9085
05:29:11,920 --> 05:29:15,400
questions for staff? Any other somebody

9086
05:29:15,400 --> 05:29:17,440
saying you want to add any kind of

9087
05:29:17,440 --> 05:29:19,280
>> Oh, I had one more thing I wanted to

9088
05:29:19,280 --> 05:29:21,360
say. As far as the water consumption

9089
05:29:21,360 --> 05:29:24,080
goes, I have a suspicion

9090
05:29:24,080 --> 05:29:26,320
that they'll probably use as much water

9091
05:29:26,320 --> 05:29:28,280
on their landscape

9092
05:29:28,280 --> 05:29:29,880
the required landscaping around the

9093
05:29:29,880 --> 05:29:32,560
building as they're actually

9094
05:29:32,560 --> 05:29:35,640
going to use in the building as long as

9095
05:29:35,640 --> 05:29:40,630
all these numbers are correct.

9096
05:29:40,640 --> 05:29:42,840
» All right. Any of the concerns that have

9097
05:29:42,840 --> 05:29:44,120
come up

9098
05:29:44,120 --> 05:29:48,040
uh that that Dave could answer off the top of

9099
05:29:48,040 --> 05:29:50,720
your head and then we could have

9100
05:29:50,720 --> 05:29:52,720
Oh, and and Jeff can come and talk with

9101
05:29:52,720 --> 05:29:54,040
us, too.

9102
05:29:54,040 --> 05:29:58,950
Sure, come on up. Mhm.

9103
05:29:58,960 --> 05:30:01,440
» Just real real quick, um

9104
05:30:01,440 --> 05:30:04,760
maybe to the three of you. I appreciate

9105
05:30:04,760 --> 05:30:06,400
um

9106
05:30:06,400 --> 05:30:08,080
that there's some pioneering going on

9107
05:30:08,080 --> 05:30:10,560
here, but I don't feel like I I've made

9108
05:30:10,560 --> 05:30:12,720
it clear enough

9109
05:30:12,720 --> 05:30:15,480
that the Bloom fuel cell

9110
05:30:15,480 --> 05:30:19,640
has been running for over 15 years,

9111
05:30:19,640 --> 05:30:21,520
over 500,000

9112
05:30:21,520 --> 05:30:24,800
units in a variety of natural gas

9113
05:30:24,800 --> 05:30:26,120
settings

9114
05:30:26,120 --> 05:30:29,280
on properties uh all over, you know,

9115
05:30:29,280 --> 05:30:31,200
like a whole series of Costco. Now,

9116
05:30:31,200 --> 05:30:32,360
these are

9117
05:30:32,360 --> 05:30:35,840
powering portions of industries. In the

9118
05:30:35,840 --> 05:30:39,160
last 4 years, they have made a major

9119
05:30:39,160 --> 05:30:42,600
entrance into data centers, Equinix,

9120
05:30:42,600 --> 05:30:45,760
uh huge deployments.

9121
05:30:45,760 --> 05:30:48,920
Now, in the last 2 years, you have over

9122
05:30:48,920 --> 05:30:52,680
what will be 3 gigawatts of power

9123
05:30:52,680 --> 05:30:54,800
that have been purchased now

9124
05:30:54,800 --> 05:30:57,480
by the most dynamic

9125
05:30:57,480 --> 05:31:01,160
um thoughtful technical companies and

9126
05:31:01,160 --> 05:31:02,800
utilities

9127
05:31:02,800 --> 05:31:05,920
in the world will be now simultaneous

9128
05:31:05,920 --> 05:31:08,200
with us deploying

9129
05:31:08,200 --> 05:31:10,520
over 5 gigawatts of power just in the

9130
05:31:10,520 --> 05:31:13,520
next 24 months.

9131
05:31:13,520 --> 05:31:17,520
So, that is a large large swath of

9132
05:31:17,520 --> 05:31:20,320
investors, decision-makers,

9133
05:31:20,320 --> 05:31:23,240
who have vetted this system

9134
05:31:23,240 --> 05:31:25,920
for over 15 years. So, I would just I

9135
05:31:25,920 --> 05:31:28,720
just want to just make clear

9136
05:31:28,720 --> 05:31:33,560
that Bloom is operating in a wide range

9137
05:31:33,560 --> 05:31:36,720
of scenarios all throughout the world.

9138
05:31:36,720 --> 05:31:38,320
The cooling [snorts]

9139
05:31:38,320 --> 05:31:41,000
um is not new for us. Our team just

9140
05:31:41,000 --> 05:31:43,720
built this exact closed-loop cooling

9141
05:31:43,720 --> 05:31:45,920
for Nvidia, for Oracle.

9142
05:31:45,920 --> 05:31:47,400
So, I just wanted to stress that yes,

9143
05:31:47,400 --> 05:31:49,400
we're we're pioneering in the sense that

9144
05:31:49,400 --> 05:31:52,040
Volition happens to be the first one

9145
05:31:52,040 --> 05:31:54,280
who has said

9146
05:31:54,280 --> 05:31:56,400
um we don't even want to use the grid.

9147
05:31:56,400 --> 05:31:59,440
We're just going to use all natural gas.

9148
05:31:59,440 --> 05:32:01,680
Um natural gas

9149
05:32:01,680 --> 05:32:05,240
the infrastructure is more than 25 times

9150
05:32:05,240 --> 05:32:07,200
more reliable than the grid. It doesn't

9151
05:32:07,200 --> 05:32:08,360
go down.

9152
05:32:08,360 --> 05:32:13,520
So, we feel like uh the risk is modest

9153
05:32:13,520 --> 05:32:17,480
in the design, and we feel like failure

9154
05:32:17,480 --> 05:32:20,040
for for Volition would mean that for

9155
05:32:20,040 --> 05:32:21,400
some reason

9156
05:32:21,400 --> 05:32:24,560
we only built 25 or 40 MW out there.

9157
05:32:24,560 --> 05:32:27,240
And you would still benefit greatly. We

9158
05:32:27,240 --> 05:32:28,680
would have some explaining to do to our

9159
05:32:28,680 --> 05:32:30,680
investors, but that's the risk we take.

9160
05:32:30,680 --> 05:32:32,160
So, I just wanted to add that. And the

9161
05:32:32,160 --> 05:32:35,200
fi- The other piece is um it is true

9162
05:32:35,200 --> 05:32:37,120
that people are knocking down the door

9163
05:32:37,120 --> 05:32:39,400
for us now. When I say that we're not

9164
05:32:39,400 --> 05:32:41,520
housing OpenAI or Anthropic, that

9165
05:32:41,520 --> 05:32:42,760
doesn't mean that we haven't had long

9166
05:32:42,760 --> 05:32:45,800
conversations with OpenAI and Anthropic.

9167
05:32:45,800 --> 05:32:47,040
At the end of the day, there's a

9168
05:32:47,040 --> 05:32:49,800
financial decision to make about terms.

9169
05:32:49,800 --> 05:32:52,680
So, we know what we can get from a term

9170
05:32:52,680 --> 05:32:54,840
standpoint in the marketplace. So, if it

9171
05:32:54,840 --> 05:32:57,560
if OpenAI Sam Altman wants to get us to

9172
05:32:57,560 --> 05:33:00,880
agree to pay for him to pay us 30% less,

9173
05:33:00,880 --> 05:33:03,280
we can say no to OpenAI because we don't

9174
05:33:03,280 --> 05:33:05,480
need to agree to those terms. So, there

9175
05:33:05,480 --> 05:33:08,160
is a, you know, massive line of now

9176
05:33:08,160 --> 05:33:09,920
people who are saying we want to build

9177
05:33:09,920 --> 05:33:11,840
our facilities this way. So, th- those

9178
05:33:11,840 --> 05:33:14,080
are just the extra little pieces. Um I

9179
05:33:14,080 --> 05:33:16,480
do feel like allowing the city the city

9180
05:33:16,480 --> 05:33:19,800
council to uh consider this

9181
05:33:19,800 --> 05:33:20,560
um

9182
05:33:20,560 --> 05:33:22,680
is a worthwhile

9183
05:33:22,680 --> 05:33:26,560
um support, and um I really don't think

9184
05:33:26,560 --> 05:33:29,680
that we fall into a category of

9185
05:33:29,680 --> 05:33:33,760
uh an experiment here. I think we've spent many years along with others

9186
05:33:33,760 --> 05:33:36,080
doing our our due diligence on this.

9187
05:33:36,080 --> 05:33:38,520
>> Thanks, Steph.

9188
05:33:38,520 --> 05:33:39,320
>> Um

9189
05:33:39,320 --> 05:33:41,080
I want to bring up one thing. Again,

9190
05:33:41,080 --> 05:33:42,240
thanks for the additional comments

9191
05:33:42,240 --> 05:33:44,760
there. Um

9192
05:33:44,760 --> 05:33:46,880
if we were

9193
05:33:46,880 --> 05:33:48,320
I still don't think I'm a yes on this,

9194
05:33:48,320 --> 05:33:50,800
but I I did like the suggestion that was

9195
05:33:50,800 --> 05:33:52,880
made um by Alan here

9196
05:33:52,880 --> 05:33:55,040
for some sort of

9197
05:33:55,040 --> 05:33:57,040
thresholds.

9198
05:33:57,040 --> 05:33:58,520
Because right now it sounds like, you

9199
05:33:58,520 --> 05:33:59,960
know, you could really be at any size

9200
05:33:59,960 --> 05:34:01,480
here.

9201
05:34:01,480 --> 05:34:04,080
I think crawling into this instead of

9202
05:34:04,080 --> 05:34:05,840
sort of, you know, running at a at a

9203
05:34:05,840 --> 05:34:07,680
pace is

9204
05:34:07,680 --> 05:34:09,320
I think it's prudent. The pioneering

9205
05:34:09,320 --> 05:34:11,360
aspect

9206
05:34:11,360 --> 05:34:12,480
makes a lot of sense. We have a pioneer

9207
05:34:12,480 --> 05:34:14,000
heritage here.

9208
05:34:14,000 --> 05:34:15,800
But we also don't hear so much about the

9209
05:34:15,800 --> 05:34:18,920
failed experiments that happen as much.

9210
05:34:18,920 --> 05:34:20,240
And that's the concern I run to. Anyway,

9211
05:34:20,240 --> 05:34:22,000
so I'm saying, if we can add some

9212
05:34:22,000 --> 05:34:24,520
language, if we I don't know if there's

9213
05:34:24,520 --> 05:34:25,640
some

9214
05:34:25,640 --> 05:34:26,880
feeling up here that there would be any

9215
05:34:26,880 --> 05:34:28,440
more thresholds we want to add. If

9216
05:34:28,440 --> 05:34:29,640
that's not necessarily what we're

9217
05:34:29,640 --> 05:34:31,280
looking at.

9218
05:34:31,280 --> 05:34:32,320
I don't know. Is there any interest

9219
05:34:32,320 --> 05:34:34,680
amongst this like, you know,

9220
05:34:34,680 --> 05:34:36,040
throw out some numbers or something like

9221
05:34:36,040 --> 05:34:38,200
this, step into this? I think I saw Dave

9222
05:34:38,200 --> 05:34:40,520
last night you had some thresholds you

9223
05:34:40,520 --> 05:34:42,040
were sort of considering. Was that

9224
05:34:42,040 --> 05:34:44,600
correct or was it somewhere else?

9225
05:34:44,600 --> 05:34:46,160
>> I you know, I've had a lot of thoughts

9226
05:34:46,160 --> 05:34:48,600
over the course of the past few days and

9227
05:34:48,600 --> 05:34:50,400
the several hours now that we've spent

9228
05:34:50,400 --> 05:34:51,680
talking about this. I'm not sure that I

9229
05:34:51,680 --> 05:34:53,040
know exactly what you're referring to.

9230
05:34:53,040 --> 05:34:55,200
>> Yeah, I'm thinking, you know, you can

9231
05:34:55,200 --> 05:34:57,160
build up to 250 even if that's what's

9232
05:34:57,160 --> 05:34:58,880
being asked for. If you go beyond that

9233
05:34:58,880 --> 05:35:00,240
or something like that. And I'm not

9234
05:35:00,240 --> 05:35:01,840
saying this just for threshold sake or

9235
05:35:01,840 --> 05:35:04,120
something like that, but it's like,

9236
05:35:04,120 --> 05:35:06,400
you know,

9237
05:35:06,400 --> 05:35:08,400
to the point that was made here,

9238
05:35:08,400 --> 05:35:10,400
if if we sort of open this up and this

9239
05:35:10,400 --> 05:35:12,800
is, you know, not conditional use,

9240
05:35:12,800 --> 05:35:15,040
well, Felician may or may not succeed

9241
05:35:15,040 --> 05:35:18,160
here, but we sort of opened us up to,

9242
05:35:18,160 --> 05:35:19,520
you know,

9243
05:35:19,520 --> 05:35:21,600
hyperscale, whoever comes here. Yeah,

9244
05:35:21,600 --> 05:35:23,320
for better or for worse. But I'm saying

9245
05:35:23,320 --> 05:35:25,400
like, do we want to have any guardrails

9246
05:35:25,400 --> 05:35:25,880
up here?

9247
05:35:25,880 --> 05:35:28,120
>> On if they come here, they'd be on

9248
05:35:28,120 --> 05:35:29,240
conditions.

9249
05:35:29,240 --> 05:35:31,200
>> Correct. I'm saying but but do the

9250
05:35:31,200 --> 05:35:33,200
conditions do we want to say

9251
05:35:33,200 --> 05:35:34,640
there's a maximum size you can build

9252
05:35:34,640 --> 05:35:36,000
out?

9253
05:35:36,000 --> 05:35:37,040
Or do we not want to say that?

9254
05:35:37,040 --> 05:35:38,640
>> Do you mind if I

9255
05:35:38,640 --> 05:35:40,120
just share

9256
05:35:40,120 --> 05:35:40,560
>> Yeah, go ahead.

9257
05:35:40,560 --> 05:35:43,080
>> perspective. I think I'll even say

9258
05:35:43,080 --> 05:35:44,800
representing staff.

9259
05:35:44,800 --> 05:35:45,440
>> Yeah.

9260
05:35:45,440 --> 05:35:47,600
>> Um and I appreciate it what you said. I

9261
05:35:47,600 --> 05:35:48,640
think it was one of the first things

9262
05:35:48,640 --> 05:35:49,640
that you mentioned tonight about

9263
05:35:49,640 --> 05:35:51,120
thresholds.

9264
05:35:51,120 --> 05:35:54,200
Um we're talking about 250 MW for this

9265
05:35:54,200 --> 05:35:57,840
project. Um and I'll take that a step

9266
05:35:57,840 --> 05:35:59,200
further.

9267
05:35:59,200 --> 05:36:01,800
It has not been uncommon for us over the

9268
05:36:01,800 --> 05:36:02,920
years

9269
05:36:02,920 --> 05:36:05,760
when we have a new idea that gets

9270
05:36:05,760 --> 05:36:07,280
presented to the city

9271
05:36:07,280 --> 05:36:09,280
to write

9272
05:36:09,280 --> 05:36:11,760
law zoning language that's tailored

9273
05:36:11,760 --> 05:36:13,440
pretty tightly

9274
05:36:13,440 --> 05:36:15,640
to the particular

9275
05:36:15,640 --> 05:36:17,600
details of

9276
05:36:17,600 --> 05:36:19,560
a use or idea.

9277
05:36:19,560 --> 05:36:19,920
>> Yeah.

9278
05:36:19,920 --> 05:36:22,280
>> A lot of the effort that um both the

9279
05:36:22,280 --> 05:36:24,720
applicant and our legal folks have

9280
05:36:24,720 --> 05:36:26,800
undertaken to draft the proposal that's

9281
05:36:26,800 --> 05:36:29,200
before the commission tonight really has

9282
05:36:29,200 --> 05:36:31,560
been to try to say, "Hey, we're going to

9283
05:36:31,560 --> 05:36:33,760
take this step here

9284
05:36:33,760 --> 05:36:35,040
that

9285
05:36:35,040 --> 05:36:38,760
uh can be undertaken if this set of

9286
05:36:38,760 --> 05:36:41,960
really tight conditions is met." And I

9287
05:36:41,960 --> 05:36:43,960
say really tight, that's my opinion. I

9288
05:36:43,960 --> 05:36:45,480
think it really is a tight set of

9289
05:36:45,480 --> 05:36:47,320
conditions.

9290
05:36:47,320 --> 05:36:50,560
I completely appreciate the value in

9291
05:36:50,560 --> 05:36:55,000
saying along with thou shalt not um

9292
05:36:55,000 --> 05:36:57,160
incorporate uh

9293
05:36:57,160 --> 05:36:59,760
you know, or otherwise um

9294
05:36:59,760 --> 05:37:00,360
uh

9295
05:37:00,360 --> 05:37:03,880
maintain the capacity to produce more

9296
05:37:03,880 --> 05:37:06,440
than a certain amount of power.

9297
05:37:06,440 --> 05:37:08,960
Um given what we're talking about here,

9298
05:37:08,960 --> 05:37:11,480
having having that threshold

9299
05:37:11,480 --> 05:37:14,440
included to this language to say no more

9300
05:37:14,440 --> 05:37:16,440
than 250 MW,

9301
05:37:16,440 --> 05:37:18,640
that certainly aligns with what I think

9302
05:37:18,640 --> 05:37:20,840
we as staff are really trying to work

9303
05:37:20,840 --> 05:37:23,000
with the applicant to do which is to to

9304
05:37:23,000 --> 05:37:25,760
compartmentalize this Uh as best as we

9305
05:37:25,760 --> 05:37:27,280
can

9306
05:37:27,280 --> 05:37:29,360
and I appreciate what's been mentioned a

9307
05:37:29,360 --> 05:37:32,800
few times in terms of this being a

9308
05:37:32,800 --> 05:37:35,880
change to the city's code which does

9309
05:37:35,880 --> 05:37:38,160
mean that potentially other people with

9310
05:37:38,160 --> 05:37:39,960
properties in similar situations that

9311
05:37:39,960 --> 05:37:42,760
are willing to meet the same criteria

9312
05:37:42,760 --> 05:37:46,390
they'd be eligible to do that.

9313
05:37:46,400 --> 05:37:50,000
But you know certainly capping it at 250

9314
05:37:50,000 --> 05:37:52,680
that that lines up really with what

9315
05:37:52,680 --> 05:37:56,950
we're trying to do as staff.

9316
05:37:56,960 --> 05:37:58,640
» I I guess the other threshold I'm

9317
05:37:58,640 --> 05:38:01,200
concerned about is heat right and so I

9318
05:38:01,200 --> 05:38:04,200
think that I'd be willing to

9319
05:38:04,200 --> 05:38:06,480
recommend this to city council with the

9320
05:38:06,480 --> 05:38:11,000
caveat of considering

9321
05:38:11,000 --> 05:38:13,760
threshold

9322
05:38:13,760 --> 05:38:15,720
capacity and

9323
05:38:15,720 --> 05:38:19,120
I have one more consideration about

9324
05:38:19,120 --> 05:38:21,520
heat.

9325
05:38:21,520 --> 05:38:22,400
I don't

9326
05:38:22,400 --> 05:38:23,920
Are you can tell us about things that

9327
05:38:23,920 --> 05:38:26,280
you've considered about heat.

9328
05:38:26,280 --> 05:38:28,560
>> This is the first conversation frankly

9329
05:38:28,560 --> 05:38:30,320
but we've really talked about heat in

9330
05:38:30,320 --> 05:38:31,680
terms of degrees and something that's

9331
05:38:31,680 --> 05:38:32,840
quantifiable.

9332
05:38:32,840 --> 05:38:34,480
>> I mean 5 degrees doesn't sound like that

9333
05:38:34,480 --> 05:38:37,000
much or even 1 degree doesn't doesn't

9334
05:38:37,000 --> 05:38:39,240
sound like that much but it it is

9335
05:38:39,240 --> 05:38:42,280
>> It really is and it's a real thing and

9336
05:38:42,280 --> 05:38:45,880
I'm not familiar with data centers and

9337
05:38:45,880 --> 05:38:47,960
more importantly you know maybe fuel

9338
05:38:47,960 --> 05:38:49,160
cells and the kind of heat that they

9339
05:38:49,160 --> 05:38:52,480
generate but I mean you go back 30 years

9340
05:38:52,480 --> 05:38:54,000
and

9341
05:38:54,000 --> 05:38:57,040
the concept of urban heat islands

9342
05:38:57,040 --> 05:38:58,480
and how impactful they can be on

9343
05:38:58,480 --> 05:38:59,880
communities

9344
05:38:59,880 --> 05:39:02,040
which simply usually it's the result of

9345
05:39:02,040 --> 05:39:03,680
a lot of asphalt.

9346
05:39:03,680 --> 05:39:06,720
Um on shaded asphalt and that type of a

9347
05:39:06,720 --> 05:39:11,600
thing. I I have read enough about that I know that it's certainly not

9348
05:39:11,600 --> 05:39:13,400
uncommon and I'm just saying this to

9349
05:39:13,400 --> 05:39:15,240
provide some perspective and

9350
05:39:15,240 --> 05:39:17,160
Commissioner Woodhouse said it well

9351
05:39:17,160 --> 05:39:19,160
you know you get four or five acres of

9352
05:39:19,160 --> 05:39:22,120
asphalt and it's very likely that in a

9353
05:39:22,120 --> 05:39:24,160
micro setting that's raising the

9354
05:39:24,160 --> 05:39:26,880
temperature more than 5°.

9355
05:39:26,880 --> 05:39:28,200
>> One thing I'd like to say, and I think

9356
05:39:28,200 --> 05:39:29,840
it's pretty clear here that this would I

9357
05:39:29,840 --> 05:39:31,280
mean, we'll see what happens, but this

9358
05:39:31,280 --> 05:39:33,200
would be one of the the largest build

9359
05:39:33,200 --> 05:39:36,320
here. We don't operationally know

9360
05:39:36,320 --> 05:39:38,160
what that means. Even when we make the

9361
05:39:38,160 --> 05:39:39,440
claims,

9362
05:39:39,440 --> 05:39:43,360
this it's theoretical until you actually

9363
05:39:43,360 --> 05:39:44,560
run

9364
05:39:44,560 --> 05:39:46,120
the program.

9365
05:39:46,120 --> 05:39:48,440
And I think with it being theoretical,

9366
05:39:48,440 --> 05:39:50,120
it would be prudent for us to put some

9367
05:39:50,120 --> 05:39:52,600
guardrails in place.

9368
05:39:52,600 --> 05:39:54,320
Because I mean, as much as this is

9369
05:39:54,320 --> 05:39:55,800
pioneering

9370
05:39:55,800 --> 05:39:58,040
and pioneering is a a great thing,

9371
05:39:58,040 --> 05:39:59,600
you can't understand what actually

9372
05:39:59,600 --> 05:40:03,280
happens until you try it, until it

9373
05:40:03,280 --> 05:40:05,240
happens, and then you see operationally

9374
05:40:05,240 --> 05:40:07,360
what happens. That's with anything.

9375
05:40:07,360 --> 05:40:09,040
And, you know, I I I won't claim to be

9376
05:40:09,040 --> 05:40:11,200
an expert on on the Bloom Energy,

9377
05:40:11,200 --> 05:40:12,360
but we're going to we're going to figure

9378
05:40:12,360 --> 05:40:14,120
out what happens once we run at that

9379
05:40:14,120 --> 05:40:15,520
scale.

9380
05:40:15,520 --> 05:40:16,880
If it's not you, someone will figure it

9381
05:40:16,880 --> 05:40:19,200
out. And when that happens, there's

9382
05:40:19,200 --> 05:40:22,120
potentially unforeseen consequences.

9383
05:40:22,120 --> 05:40:23,560
For us to like know what those

9384
05:40:23,560 --> 05:40:25,880
consequences look like, the only thing I

9385
05:40:25,880 --> 05:40:27,480
think that's helpful is

9386
05:40:27,480 --> 05:40:29,000
put guardrails and checkpoints. If it

9387
05:40:29,000 --> 05:40:30,320
was as simple as us coming back to a

9388
05:40:30,320 --> 05:40:33,520
meeting saying, "Hey, 250 works great.

9389
05:40:33,520 --> 05:40:35,520
Let's bump it up to 500 or something

9390
05:40:35,520 --> 05:40:37,200
like that."

9391
05:40:37,200 --> 05:40:38,320
We have another hearing like that,

9392
05:40:38,320 --> 05:40:38,800
right?

9393
05:40:38,800 --> 05:40:40,280
>> And come back for another text

9394
05:40:40,280 --> 05:40:40,920
amendment.

9395
05:40:40,920 --> 05:40:41,560
>> Well,

9396
05:40:41,560 --> 05:40:43,000
honestly,

9397
05:40:43,000 --> 05:40:44,040
well, let's see what happens when we

9398
05:40:44,040 --> 05:40:45,600
actually run the experiment. I don't

9399
05:40:45,600 --> 05:40:46,600
mean to say experiment, when we're

9400
05:40:46,600 --> 05:40:47,960
actually operationalizing

9401
05:40:47,960 --> 05:40:48,600
>> Got it.

9402
05:40:48,600 --> 05:40:50,280
>> right? Like it's it's like all the

9403
05:40:50,280 --> 05:40:52,360
traffic stuff we discussed. We can talk

9404
05:40:52,360 --> 05:40:53,680
left and right about what it means when

9405
05:40:53,680 --> 05:40:55,680
we approve new developments,

9406
05:40:55,680 --> 05:40:56,800
but as soon as we get the house and the

9407
05:40:56,800 --> 05:40:58,560
high school and all that stuff in there,

9408
05:40:58,560 --> 05:41:00,120
we see what the traffic actually looks

9409
05:41:00,120 --> 05:41:02,240
like and we see if our projections were

9410
05:41:02,240 --> 05:41:03,920
real. That's when the rubber meets the

9411
05:41:03,920 --> 05:41:05,680
road cuz that's what really happens.

9412
05:41:05,680 --> 05:41:06,920
>> Absolutely.

9413
05:41:06,920 --> 05:41:09,880
Um let me just point-blank

9414
05:41:09,880 --> 05:41:13,040
adding a 250

9415
05:41:13,040 --> 05:41:15,320
megawatt cap

9416
05:41:15,320 --> 05:41:17,280
to the language.

9417
05:41:17,280 --> 05:41:19,160
Is that palatable? Does that seem like

9418
05:41:19,160 --> 05:41:20,920
that's a good step to take? That's what

9419
05:41:20,920 --> 05:41:22,320
I'm taking or that's what I'm

9420
05:41:22,320 --> 05:41:25,040
understanding.

9421
05:41:25,040 --> 05:41:27,920
>> Is that palatable, Jeff?

9422
05:41:27,920 --> 05:41:30,160
>> Couple things just operationally to

9423
05:41:30,160 --> 05:41:31,560
consider.

9424
05:41:31,560 --> 05:41:34,960
Um the land only requires

9425
05:41:34,960 --> 05:41:37,040
we can only go so far on this land.

9426
05:41:37,040 --> 05:41:38,040
>> Because of the size of land.

9427
05:41:38,040 --> 05:41:39,320
>> Because of the size, right? You can't

9428
05:41:39,320 --> 05:41:41,520
put gigawatt out there.

9429
05:41:41,520 --> 05:41:44,320
is a chance in our final final

9430
05:41:44,320 --> 05:41:45,680
engineering

9431
05:41:45,680 --> 05:41:47,480
that we might we might not be able to

9432
05:41:47,480 --> 05:41:49,840
power 250. It may It might turn into

9433
05:41:49,840 --> 05:41:52,680
180. It might turn into 160.

9434
05:41:52,680 --> 05:41:55,720
Um the other aspect is that we have to

9435
05:41:55,720 --> 05:41:57,200
overbuild

9436
05:41:57,200 --> 05:42:00,480
on the on the property. So, there is a

9437
05:42:00,480 --> 05:42:02,680
for 250 megawatts

9438
05:42:02,680 --> 05:42:05,360
we may require a cumulative of

9439
05:42:05,360 --> 05:42:07,680
approximately 350. So, my request

9440
05:42:07,680 --> 05:42:10,680
because of backup power

9441
05:42:10,680 --> 05:42:12,960
on site.

9442
05:42:12,960 --> 05:42:15,800
Also potentially

9443
05:42:15,800 --> 05:42:16,880
if

9444
05:42:16,880 --> 05:42:20,600
we know Bloom works well.

9445
05:42:20,600 --> 05:42:23,920
Um where we have risk with Bloom

9446
05:42:23,920 --> 05:42:26,440
is if in year four

9447
05:42:26,440 --> 05:42:30,400
their output is 10% lower than we

9448
05:42:30,400 --> 05:42:32,040
expected it to be.

9449
05:42:32,040 --> 05:42:34,440
There could be a scenario where we would

9450
05:42:34,440 --> 05:42:37,840
need to increase Bloom on site to make

9451
05:42:37,840 --> 05:42:40,320
up for any degradation. So, all I'm our

9452
05:42:40,320 --> 05:42:42,240
request would just be

9453
05:42:42,240 --> 05:42:43,920
that um

9454
05:42:43,920 --> 05:42:46,520
if you put a cap, we would probably

9455
05:42:46,520 --> 05:42:49,280
request that the cap is 500 just in case

9456
05:42:49,280 --> 05:42:51,040
we had to

9457
05:42:51,040 --> 05:42:54,680
add anything to make up for efficiency

9458
05:42:54,680 --> 05:42:56,840
degradation over time.

9459
05:42:56,840 --> 05:42:58,480
And um

9460
05:42:58,480 --> 05:43:01,120
and there is a scenario where

9461
05:43:01,120 --> 05:43:03,600
we actually in engineering may not even

9462
05:43:03,600 --> 05:43:06,360
be able to produce what we're proposing

9463
05:43:06,360 --> 05:43:08,400
here. It might be

9464
05:43:08,400 --> 05:43:10,880
we know it to be over 150. But those are

9465
05:43:10,880 --> 05:43:12,360
just a few things to consider from an

9466
05:43:12,360 --> 05:43:14,080
engineering standpoint that we would if

9467
05:43:14,080 --> 05:43:16,280
we're going to make a change, we would

9468
05:43:16,280 --> 05:43:19,520
request that the cap would be probably

9469
05:43:19,520 --> 05:43:25,320
400 or so. So that any extra build up to

9470
05:43:25,320 --> 05:43:26,840
make sure we're producing the power

9471
05:43:26,840 --> 05:43:28,920
we're committed to producing because the

9472
05:43:28,920 --> 05:43:30,960
fuel cell

9473
05:43:30,960 --> 05:43:34,680
could drop off in output.

9474
05:43:34,680 --> 05:43:36,120
That would be our That's our only

9475
05:43:36,120 --> 05:43:36,840
request.

9476
05:43:36,840 --> 05:43:38,960
>> And Jeff, I actually I really appreciate

9477
05:43:38,960 --> 05:43:40,480
that comment right there. Cuz as you

9478
05:43:40,480 --> 05:43:41,840
walk through this, you're kind of saying

9479
05:43:41,840 --> 05:43:43,120
you're going to see some operational

9480
05:43:43,120 --> 05:43:44,480
things over time.

9481
05:43:44,480 --> 05:43:44,840
>> Yeah, yeah.

9482
05:43:44,840 --> 05:43:46,480
>> And I think it really speaks to my point

9483
05:43:46,480 --> 05:43:47,360
there.

9484
05:43:47,360 --> 05:43:49,480
I'm no I'm I I don't think any of us

9485
05:43:49,480 --> 05:43:51,000
really know the number, but I I

9486
05:43:51,000 --> 05:43:52,400
appreciate you even coming back, you

9487
05:43:52,400 --> 05:43:52,880
know,

9488
05:43:52,880 --> 05:43:53,080
>> Yeah.

9489
05:43:53,080 --> 05:43:54,440
>> operationally you may have to have

9490
05:43:54,440 --> 05:43:56,680
threshold and this may be a 2x or you

9491
05:43:56,680 --> 05:43:57,560
know,

9492
05:43:57,560 --> 05:44:00,280
1.8x threshold or whatever it is, right?

9493
05:44:00,280 --> 05:44:01,720
But I But I think I think you're echoing

9494
05:44:01,720 --> 05:44:03,160
exactly what I'm saying, you know, it's

9495
05:44:03,160 --> 05:44:04,800
like you're going to figure it out as as

9496
05:44:04,800 --> 05:44:05,120
Yeah.

9497
05:44:05,120 --> 05:44:05,360
>> Yeah.

9498
05:44:05,360 --> 05:44:06,280
>> Things you will figure out when you're

9499
05:44:06,280 --> 05:44:06,840
running it.

9500
05:44:06,840 --> 05:44:08,640
>> Yeah, and we support a cap. I just want

9501
05:44:08,640 --> 05:44:10,280
to be sure there are details in the

9502
05:44:10,280 --> 05:44:12,160
engineering that we haven't

9503
05:44:12,160 --> 05:44:14,240
needed to get into, but that's one of

9504
05:44:14,240 --> 05:44:17,680
them as we contemplate backup power and

9505
05:44:17,680 --> 05:44:21,080
having space on site if there's some

9506
05:44:21,080 --> 05:44:23,000
degradation in performance, then we will

9507
05:44:23,000 --> 05:44:27,440
be obligated to the client to increase

9508
05:44:27,440 --> 05:44:30,120
our ability to to stay at if the

9509
05:44:30,120 --> 05:44:33,600
agreement is 200 MW for example.

9510
05:44:33,600 --> 05:44:35,080
>> Is that

9511
05:44:35,080 --> 05:44:37,640
uh Are those numbers that

9512
05:44:37,640 --> 05:44:39,840
>> Ryan has something he has to say. Say

9513
05:44:39,840 --> 05:44:40,360
it.

9514
05:44:40,360 --> 05:44:42,680
>> Yeah, so there's two ways we can look at

9515
05:44:42,680 --> 05:44:45,640
it. So there's nameplate capacity.

9516
05:44:45,640 --> 05:44:48,640
So that's how how much um

9517
05:44:48,640 --> 05:44:51,640
uh of potential

9518
05:44:51,640 --> 05:44:52,520
um

9519
05:44:52,520 --> 05:44:53,520
uh

9520
05:44:53,520 --> 05:44:56,440
say units that are on site, but then

9521
05:44:56,440 --> 05:44:59,000
there's the delivery of power. So any

9522
05:44:59,000 --> 05:45:01,400
power generation facility

9523
05:45:01,400 --> 05:45:02,360
um

9524
05:45:02,360 --> 05:45:05,000
will have an excess amount of nameplate

9525
05:45:05,000 --> 05:45:07,680
that then goes to what is actually

9526
05:45:07,680 --> 05:45:10,480
going, let's say, for a

9527
05:45:10,480 --> 05:45:13,440
grid-tied system, a power plant here in

9528
05:45:13,440 --> 05:45:16,920
um Lakeside, right? That has a higher

9529
05:45:16,920 --> 05:45:19,000
nameplate than what's actually being

9530
05:45:19,000 --> 05:45:21,360
outputted every day.

9531
05:45:21,360 --> 05:45:21,640
>> Yeah.

9532
05:45:21,640 --> 05:45:23,120
>> So, um

9533
05:45:23,120 --> 05:45:26,240
that's where the the numbers shift here.

9534
05:45:26,240 --> 05:45:29,600
So, to to our customer, we're saying we

9535
05:45:29,600 --> 05:45:33,800
will give you 250 MW worth of power, but

9536
05:45:33,800 --> 05:45:36,760
that's going to require the redundancy

9537
05:45:36,760 --> 05:45:39,560
and the degradation over time, so that

9538
05:45:39,560 --> 05:45:41,640
nameplate capacity uh

9539
05:45:41,640 --> 05:45:45,080
is what is not fixed.

9540
05:45:45,080 --> 05:45:47,120
>> Not fixed, right. So, if you if if you

9541
05:45:47,120 --> 05:45:50,000
gave us if we gave a buffer there,

9542
05:45:50,000 --> 05:45:52,400
and honestly, if we look, we're

9543
05:45:52,400 --> 05:45:55,320
we'd recommend this to the city council.

9544
05:45:55,320 --> 05:45:56,840
We have a buffer. You guys could do some

9545
05:45:56,840 --> 05:45:58,480
homework and figure out like if if the

9546
05:45:58,480 --> 05:45:59,800
number makes sense. Maybe we throw in a

9547
05:45:59,800 --> 05:46:01,360
buffer for just to recommend it, and

9548
05:46:01,360 --> 05:46:03,600
then, you know, when the city council

9549
05:46:03,600 --> 05:46:05,200
comes and looks at this, we've got time,

9550
05:46:05,200 --> 05:46:06,480
there's discussions. I I don't even

9551
05:46:06,480 --> 05:46:07,920
think it has to be set hard, but a part

9552
05:46:07,920 --> 05:46:09,680
of me is like, [snorts] 400 sounds

9553
05:46:09,680 --> 05:46:11,720
palatable. That might not be the right

9554
05:46:11,720 --> 05:46:13,080
number that we even end on, that might

9555
05:46:13,080 --> 05:46:14,360
not even make the most sense here, but

9556
05:46:14,360 --> 05:46:15,720
we throw something out there sort of a

9557
05:46:15,720 --> 05:46:17,720
yardstick, and then we figure out if it

9558
05:46:17,720 --> 05:46:18,160
makes more sense.

9559
05:46:18,160 --> 05:46:19,200
>> Yeah, I mean, I think making the point

9560
05:46:19,200 --> 05:46:21,520
with the concept that you want a limit.

9561
05:46:21,520 --> 05:46:25,360
You don't want the two or three gigawatt

9562
05:46:25,360 --> 05:46:26,720
kind of thing, or you know,

9563
05:46:26,720 --> 05:46:27,520
at least

9564
05:46:27,520 --> 05:46:29,040
>> Well, you start somewhere.

9565
05:46:29,040 --> 05:46:31,040
>> And I can say I Our request, if we're

9566
05:46:31,040 --> 05:46:32,600
going to do this, our request would be

9567
05:46:32,600 --> 05:46:33,800
500.

9568
05:46:33,800 --> 05:46:35,920
We don't have to go pencil much more. We

9569
05:46:35,920 --> 05:46:38,680
know pretty much that we're

9570
05:46:38,680 --> 05:46:42,080
going to approach We would approach 400,

9571
05:46:42,080 --> 05:46:44,520
and I think just as a buffer,

9572
05:46:44,520 --> 05:46:46,280
that would be our request, so that we

9573
05:46:46,280 --> 05:46:48,080
never

9574
05:46:48,080 --> 05:46:49,360
risk

9575
05:46:49,360 --> 05:46:52,120
having to ask for something again.

9576
05:46:52,120 --> 05:46:53,400
>> Although

9577
05:46:53,400 --> 05:46:55,880
you you get like you get something

9578
05:46:55,880 --> 05:46:58,560
approved for 400, and then

9579
05:46:58,560 --> 05:47:00,520
you see how things go, and it's actually

9580
05:47:00,520 --> 05:47:03,560
a really good public opportunity to come

9581
05:47:03,560 --> 05:47:05,080
back and say,

9582
05:47:05,080 --> 05:47:08,360
this is how things are working at

9583
05:47:08,360 --> 05:47:11,240
Volition, and we would request to have

9584
05:47:11,240 --> 05:47:12,360
that

9585
05:47:12,360 --> 05:47:15,000
a Title 15 amendment to have that

9586
05:47:15,000 --> 05:47:17,640
threshold raised because of this reason.

9587
05:47:17,640 --> 05:47:18,520
So,

9588
05:47:18,520 --> 05:47:20,760
in some ways it seems like it's a like

9589
05:47:20,760 --> 05:47:23,280
it would be good to have 400, and then

9590
05:47:23,280 --> 05:47:24,640
come back

9591
05:47:24,640 --> 05:47:26,080
later.

9592
05:47:26,080 --> 05:47:28,120
>> The challenge, Shauna, will just be that

9593
05:47:28,120 --> 05:47:29,600
in pretty short order,

9594
05:47:29,600 --> 05:47:30,560
>> Yeah.

9595
05:47:30,560 --> 05:47:33,720
>> once we have the final specifics of the

9596
05:47:33,720 --> 05:47:37,840
client's request, the full capacity,

9597
05:47:37,840 --> 05:47:39,520
um

9598
05:47:39,520 --> 05:47:40,920
will

9599
05:47:40,920 --> 05:47:43,520
we already know that we'll have

9600
05:47:43,520 --> 05:47:46,640
um a nameplate need on site of more than

9601
05:47:46,640 --> 05:47:48,360
250.

9602
05:47:48,360 --> 05:47:50,880
We will know the final amount

9603
05:47:50,880 --> 05:47:52,880
pretty quickly, and I'm comfortable that

9604
05:47:52,880 --> 05:47:55,960
it's going to be south of 500. It's

9605
05:47:55,960 --> 05:47:57,240
going to end [snorts] up somewhere in

9606
05:47:57,240 --> 05:47:59,040
the 400s.

9607
05:47:59,040 --> 05:48:01,640
So, I So, I'm just throwing out a number

9608
05:48:01,640 --> 05:48:04,600
as as 500, and I we also know that

9609
05:48:04,600 --> 05:48:07,440
property cannot support any

9610
05:48:07,440 --> 05:48:11,000
like not a megawatt more

9611
05:48:11,000 --> 05:48:11,464
than

9612
05:48:11,464 --> 05:48:12,200
>> [snorts]

9613
05:48:12,200 --> 05:48:15,120
>> It's impossible to build above

9614
05:48:15,120 --> 05:48:17,520
400 total megawatts

9615
05:48:17,520 --> 05:48:20,000
of any useful backup or otherwise system

9616
05:48:20,000 --> 05:48:21,640
on that property. Just you can't do

9617
05:48:21,640 --> 05:48:22,880
bigger.

9618
05:48:22,880 --> 05:48:23,560
>> Okay, that makes sense.

9619
05:48:23,560 --> 05:48:25,000
>> But I still think it's worthwhile we are

9620
05:48:25,000 --> 05:48:26,920
considered beyond that property, too,

9621
05:48:26,920 --> 05:48:29,040
cuz we're opening up the world. I know

9622
05:48:29,040 --> 05:48:30,800
you guys want to compete and be running

9623
05:48:30,800 --> 05:48:32,080
the Yeah.

9624
05:48:32,080 --> 05:48:33,080
You know.

9625
05:48:33,080 --> 05:48:34,640
But like it's more than just that

9626
05:48:34,640 --> 05:48:36,760
property. When we make these changes, I

9627
05:48:36,760 --> 05:48:38,720
think I heard um Congressman

9628
05:48:38,720 --> 05:48:40,000
>> But you're talking about on a site,

9629
05:48:40,000 --> 05:48:41,600
right? So, for example,

9630
05:48:41,600 --> 05:48:43,200
if we were successful together here, and

9631
05:48:43,200 --> 05:48:46,120
we began to build this building,

9632
05:48:46,120 --> 05:48:47,800
um and then we had a need, and we knew

9633
05:48:47,800 --> 05:48:50,840
that Stockman Flats had a really ideal

9634
05:48:50,840 --> 05:48:53,240
location where we could build 100

9635
05:48:53,240 --> 05:48:54,560
megawatts.

9636
05:48:54,560 --> 05:48:57,600
Would we be approved to do 100 megawatts

9637
05:48:57,600 --> 05:49:00,680
in a separate location

9638
05:49:00,680 --> 05:49:03,200
in addition to 250 megawatts sitting

9639
05:49:03,200 --> 05:49:05,600
over at Canyon Logistics. Our

9640
05:49:05,600 --> 05:49:07,480
understanding would be that

9641
05:49:07,480 --> 05:49:09,520
um you know, or if there was a cap of

9642
05:49:09,520 --> 05:49:12,240
some sort that would be specific to a

9643
05:49:12,240 --> 05:49:13,440
location.

9644
05:49:13,440 --> 05:49:15,040
>> Well, that's correct. Yeah.

9645
05:49:15,040 --> 05:49:15,880
>> That is correct.

9646
05:49:15,880 --> 05:49:17,920
>> Yeah. There will be no other I can

9647
05:49:17,920 --> 05:49:19,280
assure you there's there will be no

9648
05:49:19,280 --> 05:49:21,320
other request from our company. I think

9649
05:49:21,320 --> 05:49:22,840
anybody in the industry to build

9650
05:49:22,840 --> 05:49:24,120
anything larger than what we're

9651
05:49:24,120 --> 05:49:26,040
contemplating here. There's just no

9652
05:49:26,040 --> 05:49:28,400
scenario that works in this

9653
05:49:28,400 --> 05:49:29,960
um

9654
05:49:29,960 --> 05:49:33,120
you know, in this in this area

9655
05:49:33,120 --> 05:49:35,120
and um

9656
05:49:35,120 --> 05:49:37,440
every other building, you know, any

9657
05:49:37,440 --> 05:49:39,200
request you would get from like a total

9658
05:49:39,200 --> 05:49:42,120
copycat of Volition would likely be a

9659
05:49:42,120 --> 05:49:43,920
request for a data center that's 100

9660
05:49:43,920 --> 05:49:45,440
megawatts or less.

9661
05:49:45,440 --> 05:49:47,960
Just based on existing

9662
05:49:47,960 --> 05:49:49,680
buildings available.

9663
05:49:49,680 --> 05:49:50,160
>> All right.

9664
05:49:50,160 --> 05:49:51,800
>> But the innovation drive will come,

9665
05:49:51,800 --> 05:49:53,800
right? If these fuel cells are wildly

9666
05:49:53,800 --> 05:49:54,840
>> But they'll get smaller.

9667
05:49:54,840 --> 05:49:55,440
>> Yeah.

9668
05:49:55,440 --> 05:49:57,760
>> So, these will things will get smaller

9669
05:49:57,760 --> 05:49:59,560
from here anyway. I'm just saying

9670
05:49:59,560 --> 05:50:01,280
>> We got to see the future, but I think we

9671
05:50:01,280 --> 05:50:02,600
are sticking place there. I think it's a

9672
05:50:02,600 --> 05:50:03,680
reasonable discussion.

9673
05:50:03,680 --> 05:50:06,400
>> Maybe and I'm I'm I really appreciate

9674
05:50:06,400 --> 05:50:07,480
this discussion.

9675
05:50:07,480 --> 05:50:09,320
>> Yeah, this is helpful. We tried maybe to

9676
05:50:09,320 --> 05:50:11,760
author some adjustments here.

9677
05:50:11,760 --> 05:50:13,080
Um another thing that we talked at least

9678
05:50:13,080 --> 05:50:15,120
loosely as staff about

9679
05:50:15,120 --> 05:50:16,080
um

9680
05:50:16,080 --> 05:50:18,520
and I think this is something we can

9681
05:50:18,520 --> 05:50:20,720
execute on. The idea that there's a

9682
05:50:20,720 --> 05:50:23,920
quota built into Title 15. That the city

9683
05:50:23,920 --> 05:50:25,680
shall uh you know,

9684
05:50:25,680 --> 05:50:27,640
can approve a certain number of these

9685
05:50:27,640 --> 05:50:28,760
types of facilities.

9686
05:50:28,760 --> 05:50:30,880
>> We have a similar sort of I mean, I know

9687
05:50:30,880 --> 05:50:32,320
we are not the entity here, but you

9688
05:50:32,320 --> 05:50:34,200
know, like with the Department of

9689
05:50:34,200 --> 05:50:35,640
Alcoholic Beverage Control, there's a

9690
05:50:35,640 --> 05:50:39,640
quota on licenses for liquor licenses, right?

9691
05:50:39,640 --> 05:50:42,000
>> We have a quota on pickleball courts in

9692
05:50:42,000 --> 05:50:43,280
a certain part of the community.

9693
05:50:43,280 --> 05:50:43,760
>> What?

9694
05:50:43,760 --> 05:50:45,840
>> I think it's something like that. So,

9695
05:50:45,840 --> 05:50:46,920
yeah.

9696
05:50:46,920 --> 05:50:48,880
so it's

9697
05:50:48,880 --> 05:50:50,120
>> Is that public knowledge?

9698
05:50:50,120 --> 05:50:52,720
>> Um it's in the code. You bet. Yeah.

9699
05:50:52,720 --> 05:50:54,480
>> But we we have a quota on parks, too,

9700
05:50:54,480 --> 05:50:55,480
don't we?

9701
05:50:55,480 --> 05:50:56,720
In terms or something like that or at

9702
05:50:56,720 --> 05:50:58,120
least a guideline. It's more of a

9703
05:50:58,120 --> 05:50:58,520
guideline.

9704
05:50:58,520 --> 05:50:59,520
>> Yeah, it

9705
05:50:59,520 --> 05:51:03,120
So if that um

9706
05:51:03,120 --> 05:51:05,720
is helpful, I think that also aligns

9707
05:51:05,720 --> 05:51:06,800
with the spirit

9708
05:51:06,800 --> 05:51:07,120
>> Yeah.

9709
05:51:07,120 --> 05:51:08,360
>> of

9710
05:51:08,360 --> 05:51:08,760
>> Pioneer

9711
05:51:08,760 --> 05:51:11,360
>> this proposal which is you know it

9712
05:51:11,360 --> 05:51:12,720
through the vetting that we've done so

9713
05:51:12,720 --> 05:51:14,160
far as staff

9714
05:51:14,160 --> 05:51:15,680
we're really comfortable with this,

9715
05:51:15,680 --> 05:51:16,400
frankly.

9716
05:51:16,400 --> 05:51:16,800
>> I

9717
05:51:16,800 --> 05:51:17,560
>> Um

9718
05:51:17,560 --> 05:51:19,840
>> I appreciate I don't know what number

9719
05:51:19,840 --> 05:51:22,000
should be, but I think

9720
05:51:22,000 --> 05:51:24,040
maybe even just maybe we can even just

9721
05:51:24,040 --> 05:51:25,560
throw a condition that we'd like you to

9722
05:51:25,560 --> 05:51:27,360
develop what would be seem reasonable. I

9723
05:51:27,360 --> 05:51:28,640
think the numbers we talked about here

9724
05:51:28,640 --> 05:51:30,360
probably sound reasonable.

9725
05:51:30,360 --> 05:51:32,720
Um and I love the quota idea, too.

9726
05:51:32,720 --> 05:51:34,520
>> But and threshold.

9727
05:51:34,520 --> 05:51:36,840
>> So threshold on power.

9728
05:51:36,840 --> 05:51:37,200
>> Yeah.

9729
05:51:37,200 --> 05:51:38,960
>> In one respect or another.

9730
05:51:38,960 --> 05:51:40,320
>> Byron just suggested, you know, maybe

9731
05:51:40,320 --> 05:51:42,120
it's output power, which I think, you

9732
05:51:42,120 --> 05:51:43,480
know, it's

9733
05:51:43,480 --> 05:51:45,200
nameplate versus actual.

9734
05:51:45,200 --> 05:51:47,600
>> So there might be a way to to kind of

9735
05:51:47,600 --> 05:51:49,560
get to the same point where you can make

9736
05:51:49,560 --> 05:51:53,160
sure that you're delivering on contracts

9737
05:51:53,160 --> 05:51:53,840
and yet

9738
05:51:53,840 --> 05:51:57,434
>> and have enough backup on

9739
05:51:57,444 --> 05:51:58,480
» [clears throat]

9740
05:51:58,480 --> 05:52:00,360
>> Cuz like we said in an in an earlier

9741
05:52:00,360 --> 05:52:02,040
conversation tonight, we want people to

9742
05:52:02,040 --> 05:52:04,800
be set up for success.

9743
05:52:04,800 --> 05:52:06,080
You want to

9744
05:52:06,080 --> 05:52:08,760
you know, give them the right tools and

9745
05:52:08,760 --> 05:52:10,200
the right chance to be able to be

9746
05:52:10,200 --> 05:52:10,920
successful.

9747
05:52:10,920 --> 05:52:12,840
>> But I think even at the same time

9748
05:52:12,840 --> 05:52:13,760
protections

9749
05:52:13,760 --> 05:52:14,680
>> Correct.

9750
05:52:14,680 --> 05:52:16,040
>> And I I think of them as guardrails,

9751
05:52:16,040 --> 05:52:16,480
too.

9752
05:52:16,480 --> 05:52:18,440
>> Yeah, correct. Yeah.

9753
05:52:18,440 --> 05:52:21,520
>> Are there so kind of focusing

9754
05:52:21,520 --> 05:52:23,200
back to just those two things

9755
05:52:23,200 --> 05:52:23,640
>> Yeah.

9756
05:52:23,640 --> 05:52:26,160
>> kind of max size on power

9757
05:52:26,160 --> 05:52:27,440
creation

9758
05:52:27,440 --> 05:52:28,600
uh

9759
05:52:28,600 --> 05:52:30,560
thinking through and proposing at least

9760
05:52:30,560 --> 05:52:33,080
a number of facilities that would be

9761
05:52:33,080 --> 05:52:36,480
allowed it maybe anywhere in the city um

9762
05:52:36,480 --> 05:52:38,480
and I'm thinking one or two

9763
05:52:38,480 --> 05:52:40,120
you know, out of the gate.

9764
05:52:40,120 --> 05:52:42,680
Um are there other

9765
05:52:42,680 --> 05:52:45,400
aspects, other metrics that

9766
05:52:45,400 --> 05:52:48,520
>> I think just to to go back and have I I

9767
05:52:48,520 --> 05:52:50,560
understand about heat islands. I it's

9768
05:52:50,560 --> 05:52:54,760
probably okay, but I think to if there hasn't been a robust

9769
05:52:54,760 --> 05:52:57,480
conversation about heat

9770
05:52:57,480 --> 05:53:00,160
that it would be nice to have staff have

9771
05:53:00,160 --> 05:53:00,920
a discussion about.

9772
05:53:00,920 --> 05:53:02,680
>> Deeper dive. I think that'd be helpful

9773
05:53:02,680 --> 05:53:03,240
for everybody.

9774
05:53:03,240 --> 05:53:04,000
>> Yeah, for sure.

9775
05:53:04,000 --> 05:53:04,600
>> I think so.

9776
05:53:04,600 --> 05:53:04,880
>> Yeah.

9777
05:53:04,880 --> 05:53:07,960
>> All right. Well, with that if there's no

9778
05:53:07,960 --> 05:53:08,680
other

9779
05:53:08,680 --> 05:53:10,480
>> So would we make a proposal for these

9780
05:53:10,480 --> 05:53:13,200
sort of additions on there or do we just

9781
05:53:13,200 --> 05:53:14,680
kind of you know, we said what it we

9782
05:53:14,680 --> 05:53:15,520
said to you and that's

9783
05:53:15,520 --> 05:53:16,920
>> Trust you to take them to the city

9784
05:53:16,920 --> 05:53:17,680
council.

9785
05:53:17,680 --> 05:53:19,320
>> I'm sure that they're listening.

9786
05:53:19,320 --> 05:53:20,400
Hopefully at 3X speed.

9787
05:53:20,400 --> 05:53:21,600
>> Depending on where you want to go, I'm

9788
05:53:21,600 --> 05:53:22,800
definitely going to reiterate some

9789
05:53:22,800 --> 05:53:24,480
things to make sure

9790
05:53:24,480 --> 05:53:27,080
it's your recommendation to the council,

9791
05:53:27,080 --> 05:53:28,880
not what I'm

9792
05:53:28,880 --> 05:53:29,320
saying.

9793
05:53:29,320 --> 05:53:32,480
>> So so we could make a proposal that we

9794
05:53:32,480 --> 05:53:34,080
add this on to

9795
05:53:34,080 --> 05:53:36,200
whatever we approve tonight, right?

9796
05:53:36,200 --> 05:53:37,360
>> Yeah.

9797
05:53:37,360 --> 05:53:39,440
Okay. Well,

9798
05:53:39,440 --> 05:53:43,830
I would entertain a motion.

9799
05:53:43,840 --> 05:53:47,240
» So I'll I'll make a motion to add

9800
05:53:47,240 --> 05:53:48,560
limits

9801
05:53:48,560 --> 05:53:51,000
to the title 15 change.

9802
05:53:51,000 --> 05:53:52,200
I don't know the best way to word that.

9803
05:53:52,200 --> 05:53:54,120
>> Limits on power output.

9804
05:53:54,120 --> 05:53:56,040
>> Threshold on power.

9805
05:53:56,040 --> 05:53:58,680
>> The power output Byron, whatever you

9806
05:53:58,680 --> 05:54:01,520
said, that's what I want to kind of

9807
05:54:01,520 --> 05:54:03,240
So that's that's the proposal and then

9808
05:54:03,240 --> 05:54:04,800
also a quota.

9809
05:54:04,800 --> 05:54:07,160
We'll start with two.

9810
05:54:07,160 --> 05:54:09,120
And again, you know, city council if

9811
05:54:09,120 --> 05:54:10,560
you're listening

9812
05:54:10,560 --> 05:54:12,240
come word smith these numbers to what

9813
05:54:12,240 --> 05:54:14,480
makes sense. I know one of them is here

9814
05:54:14,480 --> 05:54:17,160
as well, but that's what I'd say.

9815
05:54:17,160 --> 05:54:20,160
>> And a discussion about heat

9816
05:54:20,160 --> 05:54:23,120
impact to the community.

9817
05:54:23,120 --> 05:54:25,680
>> I'm I'll make a motion for that.

9818
05:54:25,680 --> 05:54:28,320
we add that to this.

9819
05:54:28,320 --> 05:54:29,880
>> So what are you recommending for

9820
05:54:29,880 --> 05:54:31,280
approval with that?

9821
05:54:31,280 --> 05:54:32,520
>> Well, here's the thing. I'm not going to

9822
05:54:32,520 --> 05:54:34,200
recommend for approval, but I want to

9823
05:54:34,200 --> 05:54:35,920
add that on to what we're voting.

9824
05:54:35,920 --> 05:54:37,400
>> Okay. Does that sound strange because I

9825
05:54:37,400 --> 05:54:38,560
know that's kind of like me having my

9826
05:54:38,560 --> 05:54:39,320
cake and eating it, too.

9827
05:54:39,320 --> 05:54:40,760
>> Okay, no. Okay.

9828
05:54:40,760 --> 05:54:41,440
So,

9829
05:54:41,440 --> 05:54:43,160
that's it that's good. So, with that

9830
05:54:43,160 --> 05:54:43,720
[clears throat]

9831
05:54:43,720 --> 05:54:44,600
I

9832
05:54:44,600 --> 05:54:47,120
you've made a motion to add those to

9833
05:54:47,120 --> 05:54:50,760
this this to title 15 amendments.

9834
05:54:50,760 --> 05:54:52,680
I

9835
05:54:52,680 --> 05:54:55,670
Do we have a second?

9836
05:54:55,680 --> 05:54:56,880
» I'll second it.

9837
05:54:56,880 --> 05:54:58,480
>> All in favor?

9838
05:54:58,480 --> 05:54:58,840
>> All right.

9839
05:54:58,840 --> 05:54:59,200
>> I.

9840
05:54:59,200 --> 05:55:00,640
>> This is just adding this on to this.

9841
05:55:00,640 --> 05:55:01,680
>> Correct.

9842
05:55:01,680 --> 05:55:03,480
Any opposed?

9843
05:55:03,480 --> 05:55:04,920
>> So, we're voting on just adding. We're

9844
05:55:04,920 --> 05:55:06,080
not voting on nothing.

9845
05:55:06,080 --> 05:55:08,800
>> We're We're voting on the thing next.

9846
05:55:08,800 --> 05:55:10,440
>> But I will be clear. I'm planning on

9847
05:55:10,440 --> 05:55:11,440
voting against next.

9848
05:55:11,440 --> 05:55:13,160
>> I mean, I like what you're adding. I

9849
05:55:13,160 --> 05:55:14,600
still think this whole thing is rushed.

9850
05:55:14,600 --> 05:55:15,760
That's my whole problem with it.

9851
05:55:15,760 --> 05:55:17,680
>> Yeah, that's okay. Okay. So, did we

9852
05:55:17,680 --> 05:55:20,560
vote? All in favor for adding those

9853
05:55:20,560 --> 05:55:22,280
things to

9854
05:55:22,280 --> 05:55:23,400
as a discussion?

9855
05:55:23,400 --> 05:55:24,680
>> I.

9856
05:55:24,680 --> 05:55:25,960
>> Okay. Any opposed?

9857
05:55:25,960 --> 05:55:26,760
>> I'll say no.

9858
05:55:26,760 --> 05:55:28,040
>> Okay.

9859
05:55:28,040 --> 05:55:31,400
All right. So, that passes with one uh

9860
05:55:31,400 --> 05:55:32,800
with one

9861
05:55:32,800 --> 05:55:33,600
dissent.

9862
05:55:33,600 --> 05:55:35,040
>> Did you vote, Madam Chair?

9863
05:55:35,040 --> 05:55:36,360
>> I support that, yes.

9864
05:55:36,360 --> 05:55:37,280
>> Great. So, five

9865
05:55:37,280 --> 05:55:38,360
>> Who was the nay vote?

9866
05:55:38,360 --> 05:55:40,320
>> I Commissioner Woodhouse.

9867
05:55:40,320 --> 05:55:42,520
>> Commissioner Woodhouse. Okay.

9868
05:55:42,520 --> 05:55:44,800
Now, I would entertain a motion on the

9869
05:55:44,800 --> 05:55:49,510
title of 15 amendment.

9870
05:55:49,520 --> 05:55:52,560
» Okay, I'll make motion that we accept

9871
05:55:52,560 --> 05:55:54,600
the proposed title 15 amendment data

9872
05:55:54,600 --> 05:55:57,160
center and onsite power generation

9873
05:55:57,160 --> 05:55:58,320
facilities.

9874
05:55:58,320 --> 05:55:59,880
>> Recommended to the city council.

9875
05:55:59,880 --> 05:56:02,120
>> As recommended to the city council.

9876
05:56:02,120 --> 05:56:04,520
>> Do we have a second?

9877
05:56:04,520 --> 05:56:06,280
Am I allowed to second?

9878
05:56:06,280 --> 05:56:07,640
I'll second it.

9879
05:56:07,640 --> 05:56:08,800
All in favor?

9880
05:56:08,800 --> 05:56:09,280
>> I.

9881
05:56:09,280 --> 05:56:10,520
>> Yes.

9882
05:56:10,520 --> 05:56:11,480
>> All opposed?

9883
05:56:11,480 --> 05:56:12,080
>> Nay.

9884
05:56:12,080 --> 05:56:13,080
no.

9885
05:56:13,080 --> 05:56:15,440
>> Okay, what happens when it's a tie?

9886
05:56:15,440 --> 05:56:18,120
>> Uh that's not a majority vote, right?

9887
05:56:18,120 --> 05:56:20,720
So, the motion fails, and so there's not

9888
05:56:20,720 --> 05:56:22,320
a recommendation for approval that goes

9889
05:56:22,320 --> 05:56:24,200
to the city council, but it still goes

9890
05:56:24,200 --> 05:56:25,280
to the city council for their

9891
05:56:25,280 --> 05:56:28,240
discussion. So, city council will hear

9892
05:56:28,240 --> 05:56:29,920
what you've had to say and can consider

9893
05:56:29,920 --> 05:56:32,840
it, but it's not a

9894
05:56:32,840 --> 05:56:34,760
recommendation necessarily from the

9895
05:56:34,760 --> 05:56:35,360
planning commission.

9896
05:56:35,360 --> 05:56:37,960
>> Okay. All right. And we'll look forward

9897
05:56:37,960 --> 05:56:47,640
to your Thank you so much, Jeff, and your team, and we'll look forward to your open

9898
05:56:47,640 --> 05:56:50,640
houses at the Spanish Fork Library

9899
05:56:50,640 --> 05:56:52,360
next week.

9900
05:56:52,360 --> 05:56:53,560
Thanks so much.

9901
05:56:53,560 --> 05:56:54,720
Uh

9902
05:56:54,720 --> 05:56:57,480
and that's all for that item, and we

9903
05:56:57,480 --> 05:56:59,280
have one more quick item with the

9904
05:56:59,280 --> 05:57:01,880
planning commission, and that is we need

9905
05:57:01,880 --> 05:57:04,960
to elect a chair and a vice chair since

9906
05:57:04,960 --> 05:57:06,400
And you guys can leave if you want,

9907
05:57:06,400 --> 05:57:07,960
unless you really care about who's the

9908
05:57:07,960 --> 05:57:08,920
chair and the vice chair.

9909
05:57:08,920 --> 05:57:10,440
>> we do that now, or do we do it when the

9910
05:57:10,440 --> 05:57:12,360
>> Do we wait until we have the new member?

9911
05:57:12,360 --> 05:57:13,880
>> We can do that when our new member

9912
05:57:13,880 --> 05:57:15,160
>> I'd certainly prefer that you do it

9913
05:57:15,160 --> 05:57:16,960
tonight, so you're ready to go next

9914
05:57:16,960 --> 05:57:17,000
week.

9915
05:57:17,000 --> 05:57:18,440
>> So, you have somebody

9916
05:57:18,440 --> 05:57:18,560
for next

9917
05:57:18,560 --> 05:57:19,240
>> a minute.

9918
05:57:19,240 --> 05:57:20,960
>> I just have a process question.

9919
05:57:20,960 --> 05:57:22,000
>> Process question?

9920
05:57:22,000 --> 05:57:24,000
>> So, does this go to the city council or

9921
05:57:24,000 --> 05:57:24,520
not?

9922
05:57:24,520 --> 05:57:25,800
>> It goes to the city council.

9923
05:57:25,800 --> 05:57:28,040
>> city council can still

9924
05:57:28,040 --> 05:57:29,640
make a decision on whether it proceeds

9925
05:57:29,640 --> 05:57:30,160
or not?

9926
05:57:30,160 --> 05:57:30,920
>> Correct.

9927
05:57:30,920 --> 05:57:31,960
>> Yes.

9928
05:57:31,960 --> 05:57:33,080
Thank you guys so much.

9929
05:57:33,080 --> 05:57:33,640
>> Thank you.

9930
05:57:33,640 --> 05:57:35,760
>> Appreciate the discussion, Jeff.

9931
05:57:35,760 --> 05:57:36,200
>> Okay.

9932
05:57:36,200 --> 05:57:39,350
>> Thank you, Jeff.

9933
05:57:39,360 --> 05:57:41,800
» Yes, you you we probably do need to have

9934
05:57:41,800 --> 05:57:44,240
a chair and a vice chair for next time.

9935
05:57:44,240 --> 05:57:46,120
>> You can select however you'd care to.

9936
05:57:46,120 --> 05:57:49,120
Often times it's just nomination and

9937
05:57:49,120 --> 05:57:51,040
>> It is Thursday.

9938
05:57:51,040 --> 05:57:52,800
>> Right.

9939
05:57:52,800 --> 05:57:54,040
Yes.

9940
05:57:54,040 --> 05:57:56,480
Is there anybody I I mean, are there are

9941
05:57:56,480 --> 05:57:58,520
there those of you that are willing to

9942
05:57:58,520 --> 05:58:04,310
be the a chair or vice chair?

9943
05:58:04,320 --> 05:58:05,840
» Be willing to do either.

9944
05:58:05,840 --> 05:58:07,640
>> Okay.

9945
05:58:07,640 --> 05:58:09,800
What about you, Paul?

9946
05:58:09,800 --> 05:58:12,000
>> Uh willing to do either at this point.

9947
05:58:12,000 --> 05:58:14,000
>> I'd say go by seniority.

9948
05:58:14,000 --> 05:58:16,160
>> Oh, yeah, how is seniority? You two are

9949
05:58:16,160 --> 05:58:17,960
the Wait, Mike.

9950
05:58:17,960 --> 05:58:18,560
>> Mike is

9951
05:58:18,560 --> 05:58:19,160
>> I'm what?

9952
05:58:19,160 --> 05:58:19,760
>> Mike, are you more senior

9953
05:58:19,760 --> 05:58:21,280
>> Are you more senior than

9954
05:58:21,280 --> 05:58:23,280
>> It's Michelle, Mike.

9955
05:58:23,280 --> 05:58:24,000
>> Michelle, Mike.

9956
05:58:24,000 --> 05:58:25,640
>> I think she beat you beat me by at least

9957
05:58:25,640 --> 05:58:26,520
a month, right?

9958
05:58:26,520 --> 05:58:27,720
>> Michelle, might be good.

9959
05:58:27,720 --> 05:58:28,200
>> that.

9960
05:58:28,200 --> 05:58:29,360
>> I'll nominate Michelle.

9961
05:58:29,360 --> 05:58:30,640
>> Michelle would be great for the

9962
05:58:30,640 --> 05:58:32,440
chairwoman.

9963
05:58:32,440 --> 05:58:32,960
>> All right.

9964
05:58:32,960 --> 05:58:33,560
>> Second.

9965
05:58:33,560 --> 05:58:34,720
>> All in favor?

9966
05:58:34,720 --> 05:58:35,720
>> I.

9967
05:58:35,720 --> 05:58:36,760
>> Yes.

9968
05:58:36,760 --> 05:58:38,520
Okay, Michelle you'll be awesome.

9969
05:58:38,520 --> 05:58:41,040
>> Mike, you're the vice chair.

9970
05:58:41,040 --> 05:58:42,280
>> Can I vote no?

9971
05:58:42,280 --> 05:58:43,080
>> I think you can vote no.

9972
05:58:43,080 --> 05:58:43,840
>> You'll be out numbered.

9973
05:58:43,840 --> 05:58:44,680
>> Like are you totally

9974
05:58:44,680 --> 05:58:46,080
>> I'm going to support Michelle. No.

9975
05:58:46,080 --> 05:58:47,760
>> totally opposed to being the vice chair?

9976
05:58:47,760 --> 05:58:49,560
>> No. I will help Michelle.

9977
05:58:49,560 --> 05:58:49,960
>> Okay.

9978
05:58:49,960 --> 05:58:51,560
>> And you'll be chair if Michelle cannot

9979
05:58:51,560 --> 05:58:52,000
be here.

9980
05:58:52,000 --> 05:58:53,400
>> Okay, all in favor?

9981
05:58:53,400 --> 05:58:54,840
>> I.

9982
05:58:54,840 --> 05:58:56,360
>> All right, we have a chair.

9983
05:58:56,360 --> 05:58:58,520
>> And before we leave Shauna, thank you.

9984
05:58:58,520 --> 05:58:59,080
>> Oh, yes.

9985
05:58:59,080 --> 05:59:00,480
>> You've been great. Thank you. Lots of

9986
05:59:00,480 --> 05:59:01,840
years, taught me a bunch.

9987
05:59:01,840 --> 05:59:04,360
>> my longest meeting in 4 and 1/2 years.

9988
05:59:04,360 --> 05:59:06,472
You wanted to stretch it out.

9989
05:59:06,472 --> 05:59:07,600
>> [laughter]

9990
05:59:07,600 --> 05:59:09,040
>> I'll make a motion to adjourn.

9991
05:59:09,040 --> 05:59:09,440
>> Oh.

9992
05:59:09,440 --> 05:59:10,280
>> Second.

9993
05:59:10,280 --> 05:59:11,160
>> All in favor?

9994
05:59:11,160 --> 05:59:11,800
>> I.

9995
05:59:11,800 --> 05:59:13,678
>> Yes.

9996
05:59:13,678 --> 05:59:13,800
>> [cough]

9997
05:59:13,800 --> 05:59:15,120
>> Midnight.

9998
05:59:15,120 --> 05:59:18,600
>> It just couldn't be done.