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Okay, we got the thumbs up that we're

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ready to go in city council meeting,

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Spanish Fork City, uh, August 18th,

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2026. Thank you all for coming in person

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and online all over watching our

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meeting. We appreciate the

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participation. Um, we'll start like we

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always do in Spanish Fork with a prayer

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and motivational message given by

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Councilman Oiler and then the pledge led

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by Councilman Harden. Councilman Oiler.

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>> Thank you, Mayor. I'll pray. Our

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father in heaven, we gather tonight in

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this council meeting and give gratitude.

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for

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the community in which we live. We're so

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grateful, Father, for those around us

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that that serve and do good and help

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those that are in need. Father, we're

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especially grateful for our first

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responders and ask that would continue

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to bless and protect them. and we're

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grateful for what they do to to keep us

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safe and to help us in times of need.

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Father, we recognize

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the blessing it is to live in the United

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States and we are so thankful for the

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freedoms we enjoy and ask that thou

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would protect

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those men and women that serve to

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maintain and preserve those freedoms.

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We're so thankful for them and their

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families.

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Father, we recognize the importance of

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the decisions that we'll make tonight as

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we discuss the needs and concerns and

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issues facing Spanish Fork. And we ask

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that thou would guide our thoughts and

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give us the direction that we need to

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make the appropriate

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and correct decisions that will benefit

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those that live within Spanish Fork.

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We're so grateful that we live where we

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do and enjoy the beauties around us.

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Father, guide and direct us. And we pray

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for these things in the name of Jesus

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Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> Would the audience please rise and say

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the pledge with me?

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» I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Thank you everyone. We appreciate that.

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We have a couple of public hearings on

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the agenda tonight. We'll just kind of

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let you know from the beginning here

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that we'll probably get to those.

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There's a few of them tonight, but we'll

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620 6:15 to 6:30 mark. So, just just uh

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if you can kind of think about that. Got

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a couple other issues to get through uh

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as well. Um the third item on our agenda

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right now is public comments. Again,

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this isn't the section for public

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hearing. If there's a public hearing

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item uh on the agenda, uh that'll be uh

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that'll be listed on the agenda if you

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have it. But this is a section uh that's

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always at our council meetings of public

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comment. So, those that would like to

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come up and address the mayor and

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counsel for something not on the agenda

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or uh any issue maybe in your street or whatever it may be, this is the time

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that you can come up and address the

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mayor and counsel. And uh we'll have a

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threeminut timer up there that Jordan,

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you're running this. Uh so both sides,

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you can kind of see that. That'll be the

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same thing during the the public hearing

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section as well. But uh this is a time

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now for public comment for anybody that

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would like to come up and address the

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mayor and council on a general issue.

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» when we discuss it. Yep. When we get to

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that item. Yep. Good question. Thank

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you. Yep. Anybody else for general

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Okay. Seeing none, we'll go to the next

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part of the agenda. Item number four,

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council comments. This is where the

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council reports uh from the uh the

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committees, the boards that we sit on

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and and what's happened since last

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council meeting. Um I don't have any

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stock shows that happened since between

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the last meeting and here. So I don't

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have any of those pictures and stuff. Uh

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but uh any uh council comments, we

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typically go from one side to the other.

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This time we're going to switch it up a

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little bit and start with Councilman

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Oiler in the middle and then we'll move

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this way and then we'll get back to

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Councilman Tuk and end at Councilman

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Carden. Is that okay?

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>> Yep, that works.

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>> Councilman Oiler.

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>> Yeah, thank you, Mayor. I recognize

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there are people here for other things,

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so I'll keep my council comments short.

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I did have my animal shelter board

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meeting this past week and just wanted

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to report back that the animal shelter

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has worked out an agreement with the

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Utah County Attorney attorney's Office

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Civil Division to represent the animal

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shelter on any future legal matters that we seem or deem necessary. So, just

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wanted to make everyone aware of that.

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That's all I've got. Mayor,

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>> good. Thank you, Councilman Oyer.

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>> I do not have anything tonight. Thank

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you. Okay, Councilman Marshall,

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>> just one. Um, school's starting up here

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pretty soon. The sun's getting in in a

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kind of a bad spot. Please be safe when

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you're driving your kids to school in

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the morning. Um, it's I'm always shocked

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at the speed we drive on our city

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streets. And while there's this many

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people here, I can preach a little bit.

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down. That's it for me.

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>> Perfect. Thank you, Councilman Marshall.

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Councilman Tuk.

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>> Thank you, Mayor. Just one item of

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business from me this evening. I'd like

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to welcome up to the front our president

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and CEO of the Chamber of Commerce in

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Spanish Fork and Salem. That is Kathleen

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Levit for a couple announcements.

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» Um to save time, I'll just talk about

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the upcoming events of over the next

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couple of weeks for the business

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community. On Thursday of this week, the

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20th, we'll be having our new networking

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lunchon at the Hampton Inn. Um, I'm

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actually very excited for this one. We

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have Gunther's Heating and Air

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Conditioning, teaching us about um how

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we can save some money on our power

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bill. And then we're trying Spitz, uh,

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the new Mediterranean restaurant in town

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for the catering. So, it's going to be a

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fantastic meeting of the minds. Uh then

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Women in Business is having an ice cream

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social on August 26th and that'll be at

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1:30 PM. Hopefully the women in business

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can meet while kids are at school and

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not quite out yet. So we're still trying

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out some different times and dates for

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the best meeting spot for our women in

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business. Um then we have um

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let's see a ribbon cutting for Stone and

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Soul Wellness. They're a new business in

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Canyon Creek Parkway. It's a cold plunge

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sauna wellness studio. I just actually

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came from it right now. Beautiful owner,

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wonderful new space. So, we'll be

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cutting the ribbon at noon on September

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3rd. And last thing, I just wanted to

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remind everyone, the farmers market is

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still going strong right here in City

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Hall parking lot every Saturday morning

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through the end of October. So, we

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really do have one of the best farmers

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markets around. So, please come out and

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support your local farmers. That's all

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>> Thanks, Kathleen.

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>> Did you do the cold plunge?

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>> Thank you, Kathleen. And thank you for

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taking good care of our business

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community. I attended the farmers market

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for the first time this past Saturday.

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this building, the parking lot, and it

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was outstanding. Better every year. Uh

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so many uh things to consider

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purchasing, and my wife and I purchased

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a lot. So, I invite everybody to come

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check it out for the weeks that are in

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front of us still. So, that's all I

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have. Mayor,

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>> perfect. Thank you, Councilman Tuk. I

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will say Spitz, I visited Spitz the last

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week. That was the first time. And they

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got the Post Malone uh you know,

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painting in there with the Fiesta Day's

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rodeo hat. And then they got Jade Romero

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softball, you know, Spanish Fort Dawn

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softball in there. I'm like, "Hey, how

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does the mayor get painted on your

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wall?" And they said, "That's not going

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to happen." And so, um, it's pretty

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cool. There's a lot of good stuff on the

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walls. So, yeah, good good place.

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>> thank you, Mayor. And at the farmers

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market, they do have peaches. So, if

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you're wondering, there are peaches this

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year. I know there was a worry about

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that for a while. Um, just a couple

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thing. The first thing is I was able to

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meet with the U City Council this last

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week. It's a group that I get to do and

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there's a couple alumni in the audience

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today. So, that's pretty awesome. Um, if

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you didn't know, our youth city council

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does an awesome job of vetting things

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that are happening in the city. Um, also

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volunteering at a lot of things that

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happen throughout the city. And one of

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those things that's getting ready to

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happen is our harvest moon. Harrah.

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a Friday night. I know historically,

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except for last year, it was done on a

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Saturday. We're moving it to Friday

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because we had the food truck round up

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over in the park just across the street.

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couple of uh performances that'll be

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done, some art, some activities, food

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truck vendors, other vendors. So, please

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come check that out if you have time.

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about with the arts council is the

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corral is getting ready to start. So, if

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you have music talent or you just want

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to go hang out with people who may have

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that talent, um they are starting on

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August 25th at 7 to 9:00 p.m. in the

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Maple Mountain High School choir room

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and they will take singers of all um

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levels is what they said. So, that's all

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I have here. You can move your lips and

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get away with it is what they're saying.

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>> They will teach you. Perfect. Thank you,

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Councilman Carden. Uh I don't have

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anything besides just what Councilman

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Marshall said. um you know this morning

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getting kids uh to and from school just

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a busy busy time and and there's no good

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way there's no easy way uh to get to and

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from any school. The solution is not to

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make bigger roads to make people go

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faster. It's just it's just tough uh

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every school. So let's let's be safe.

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Thank you to Chief the the crossing

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guards that are keeping everybody safe

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and directing them. Let's let's be

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respectful there, too. And make sure to

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wave uh at them with all five fingers uh

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as they're as they're directing you and telling you where to go so we can we

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can get kids to and from school safe.

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So, back in session. Thank you, Nebo

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School District, for your partnership

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and all the teachers that are willing to take on all of our kids, especially

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the menden hall kids. Uh it's it's much

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appreciated. So, uh, item number five,

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now that council comments are over,

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staff reports, uh, manager parents,

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anything from the staff previous?

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>> Yeah, a couple of staff reports. We'll

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look to, uh, Bronco, our new parks and

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rec director, he's got, I think, two.

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And then Jared, our public works

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assistant

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director, has one.

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>> Whichever you like.

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>> Right there. Just make sure you turn

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your mic on.

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>> I just want to give you a couple

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updates. uh some projects going on in

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the parks and recreation department. Uh

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the first off is the Cany view park pond

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restoration project. And I gave Jack uh

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Jordan, you have the photos. Did Jack

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provide you with a couple photos? That's

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okay. So many of you have either smelt

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or seen or both. Canyon View Pond has

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been drained. We drained it uh the week

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after Fiesta Days and uh are looking we

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got about $400,000 worth of grants

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through the U.org or and the uh

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foundations and we're looking to go out

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to bid and uh start digging early

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October. Our goal is to take 8 to 10

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feet out and dredge it and uh sh up the

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southside with some landscape rocks so

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kids can stand on there and fish. It's

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been a challenge for them to fish and

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push some clay in there and level that

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bank out. We'll have some ADA

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access on the north side. So, you'll

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have about 20 feet of concrete and a

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driveway that goes up to the pond on the

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north side. And there will be good

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fishing uh all the way around. We'll

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extend the ADA dock on the east side. Uh

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we ran into a couple challenges. There's

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quite a few springs that are coming up

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through there. So, we got to work

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through that before we we we go any

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further with the project. We're pretty

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excited about it. Uh at the fairgrounds,

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many of you probably seen that it's

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looking a little barren. Uh the Willie

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Barn was torn down. Uh they're supposed

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to be putting in the new footings for

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the new indoor arena this week. The uh

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stall barns on the east side of the high

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shop rail have been torn down as well as

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the asphalt uh for that uh leisure grass

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area that we're going to put in for

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those that come down to visit. But we're

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our goal really is to try not to be

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super intrusive for those that have used

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our amenities that are driving through

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or some of the other shows that have

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come through while we're doing this

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project. But we're anticipating that

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being completed uh the beginning of

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April.

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» Any questions?

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>> I like it.

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>> Thank you.

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>> I think the video almost put the smell

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through through the TVs and phones. It was pretty bad. Is it It's getting

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better.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Bronco, can you remind me who which

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department was it that helped with the

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grant for the funding of the Canyon View

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Park?

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>> Uh it was a it was a lot of hands in on

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that. So Carson Hardy was a was the one

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who wrote the grants. Um Bart Moral was

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also played a played a huge role in that

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as well.

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>> And who who provided the grant? Who did

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we get that through?

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>> So the Uorg is the Utah Outdoor

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Recreation Grant. Okay.

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>> And that's provided by we're working

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directly with the Division of Wildlife

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Management on that. The other was the

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water restoration initiative. That's

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another state grant.

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>> Yeah, that's exciting. I know a lot of

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youth love to fish in the Canyon View

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pond. So that'll be great. Yeah, I've

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been wanting to do this since uh I

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started with the city. In fact, I have

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some things I've written down trying to

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work with them and it's finally coming

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together. So, I'm really excited about

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that project.

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>> How do you pull the pond be once

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finished roughly throughout? Will it be

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like 10 feet or

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>> Our goal is at the at the greatest depth

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is 10 feet. I don't know that that will

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be the case just because of some of

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those springs that are coming up through

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we got to work around, but that's our

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goal is 8 to 10 feet at the deepest. the

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whale and the festival of lights will

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finally be able to swim.

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>> Won't be stranded.

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>> But with that, if you're thinking of

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swimming in there, I don't think that's the idea, right? It's still just

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for fish to swim in.

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>> Yes. Yeah, there will be no swimming.

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Um, it is tempting to go in there right

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now, but please stay please stay away

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from the area. It's it's it's pretty

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mucky. It stinks anyway, so you

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shouldn't go down there.

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>> Just go up the road to the reservoir.

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That's a nice beach, place to fish, and

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a place to swim if if you need it.

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Or we got a great new rec center. Thank

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you, Bronco. Anything else?

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>> We got one from Corey and then I forgot.

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Uh Bon has a staff report as well.

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Sorry. One from Jared. Go ahead, Jared.

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>> Mic's off.

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>> Oh, sorry. There it is. You've been down

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to 900 North, 1,00 north, 200 East. You

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can see that there's some lane closures

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and a pipe along the ground. We're

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rerouting the sewer because we're

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relining the 24-in line

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uh that runs to the sewer plant that

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goes down 200 east underneath the

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freeway. That line's been deteriorating.

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So, it's been on the list to be redone.

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And we're lining the pipe and when we're

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done, the pipe will be good for another

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50 years.

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Uh the good news is the project's almost

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complete and the traffic control will be

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done by the end of next week.

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I don't know if there's any questions,

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but that's what that project is.

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>> I think that's been a headache for a lot

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of people as they travel on 10th or

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second trying to get over to the that

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area, but um really extending the life

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of that sewer line, which would be an

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impossible project to dig up uh right

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because of uh where it goes and what

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it's underneath. be impossible to do it

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underneath I-15, but uh we found that

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lining the projects increases the

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lifespan of the project, but we don't

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tear up the roads. Um it's less

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intrusive on the traffic. We just do

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lane closures instead of full closures.

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>> It's an interesting concept, right? You

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still have some some intrusion and it's

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still an annoyance for people, but the

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amount of annoyance is significantly

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less and the cost is is much less. So,

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we're we're really grateful and proud of

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that project. And then Von touch on the amicus brief.

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>> Yeah, amicus brief. There's an impact

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fee case that uh was happening in Utah.

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It's Stanley versus Salt Lake City. Um

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they alleged that the impact fees that

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they were required to pay weren't

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authorized under the the impact fee

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facilities plan at the time that they

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were charged or that they were spent on

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projects later. Um the district court

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found for the city and said that the

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impact fees could be spent on projects

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that are in later versions of the impact

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fee facilities plan not that frozen in

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time list uh when they paid their their

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fees. So they appealed the the to the

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appellet courts and the league of cities

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and towns has urged an amicus brief to

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be filed and so several cities are are

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joining that. Provo city drafted it in

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support of Salt Lake City. Um, basically

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the the argument is that cities should

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be able to spend their impact fees on

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projects as long as they're in the same

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infrastructure category. For example,

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sewer impact fees on sewer projects

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under today's current impact fee

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facilities plan, not the one six years

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ago whenever the fees were paid. So that

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and that's that's needful because that

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recognizes that growth might not always

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happen while we expect it to or projects

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may become more costly and some may be

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less needful and some may appear on the project list. Technology changes

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a lot of reasons why the list of

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projects on the impact fee facilities

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plan will change over the years. So

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we're supporting Provo and Salt Lake

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City in in that argument

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if you're unless you feel otherwise.

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questions for Vaughn in joining that.

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>> I think the only question I have is is

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it amicus or amikas?

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>> I've heard amikas, but that's

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>> I've heard.

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>> I was the one who lost

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>> tomato tomato

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>> like anyone knows what you're talking

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about.

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>> It's actually in some meetings I've been

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in that's been the the whole topic of

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discussion is about is it amicus or amus

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not the issue which is kind of goofy but

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>> it's a big deal and and appreciate Bon

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reviewing that today. Okay. I think you

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only got it today in terms of the the

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legal argument, but it's a good

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framework and uh it the fact pattern I

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think fits a lot of how we do what we

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do. So, it's it's directly relative to how we operate.

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>> And that's it. Mayor,

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>> you'll hear us say this. It's said um

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closer to the state's legislative

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session all the time, but uh I think

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that's a good example of one-size

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misfits all with with cities. right

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here. We are signing a an amikas brief

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with Salt Lake City and and and Provo

513
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and in ways that are like, hey, you

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know, cities operate differently and and

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uh and have some similarities, but but

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also are unique in different ways, too.

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So, I think that's a that's a good good

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point there.

519
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>> And not in staff reports, but maybe just

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to to recognize and this is I think the

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first time since we've been in this

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space that we're actually using the

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overflow room. Uh, and so unbeknownst to

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you, you might not be seeing it, but

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there's probably now some 30 or 40

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people that are that are seated in the heritage room. They're watching this

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there. Um, and I want to make sure that

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they they recognize that we know they're

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in there. And and as we go through the

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couple of public hearings, there may be

531
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some people that we need to get from

532
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,919
over there into here, which is why we

533
00:19:51,919 --> 00:19:53,919
have those in part why we have those

534
00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:56,080
seats reserved there on the front row.

535
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,520
So yeah, you guys that are out in the

536
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,720
hallway, if you want to have a seat,

537
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,559
there is I think 120 115 seats in that

538
00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,240
space over there that they can sit in as

539
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:04,559
well.

540
00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,600
>> Stadium seating. Pull it out. Yeah, the

541
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,160
seats are out.

542
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,600
>> All right. So yeah, uh if you didn't

543
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,840
hear that, there's a heritage room right

544
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,160
next to here that that is streaming this

545
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,840
as well. So if you can't find a spot in

546
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,919
here or a spot in the hallway, please join us in there. And uh as we

547
00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,520
get closer to the public hearing that

548
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,760
you might be here for uh we'll we'll

549
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,440
make sure you you you get your spot in

550
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,400
the queue and come in. Uh okay, thank

551
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,880
you for that. Uh Seth, anything else?

552
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,880
Staff reports. That's what we wanted to

553
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,760
cover there. Okay. Uh item six is the

554
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,640
consent items. We've got uh one, two,

555
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:44,240
three, four, It looks like consent items. Uh

556
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,960
council minutes of last meeting. Utah

557
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,280
County Tourism Tax Advisory Board Grant,

558
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,240
FAA Federal Contract Tower Reimburseable

559
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:58,320
Agreement, and HOA West LLC Vista View Fiber Service Agreement. Any

560
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,640
questions on those consent items from

561
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,000
the council?

562
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,520
>> If not, I'd entertain a motion to

563
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,919
approve the consent items.

564
00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:07,039
>> So, move.

565
00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:09,120
>> Motion made by Councilwoman Beck.

566
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:09,679
>> Second.

567
00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:11,520
by Councilman Marshall. All in

568
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,640
favor say yes.

569
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,120
>> Yes.

570
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,360
>> Consent items have been approved. That

571
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,440
takes us to the public hearings uh of

572
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,640
tonight. We've got a few of them. Um we

573
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,720
uh uh I think maybe it's a good a good

574
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,320
practice that some some of you are

575
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,320
probably here for a public hearing that

576
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,400
has to do with land use on the east side

577
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,400
of town. I believe that was in in front

578
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,120
of our uh planning commission just a

579
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:37,200
couple of weeks ago. And so maybe that's

580
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,600
a good a good practice run uh for our

581
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,360
public hearings tonight. Many of you

582
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,440
probably here for the the other public

583
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,360
hearing that deals modifying Title 15.

584
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:48,559
There's a couple of those tonight, but

585
00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:50,400
you're probably here for for the one

586
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,880
that has to do with with power

587
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,000
generation and and data centers. Uh the

588
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,960
first one that we'll get to 7.2

589
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,039
uh is an ordinance to amend Dave, if

590
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:03,200
you're okay with getting to that one. Is

591
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,960
that all right?

592
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,039
>> Okay. Ordinance to amend the zoning map

593
00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,480
to change the zoning of a property to RR

594
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,760
and R112 to C2 located approximately 400

595
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,840
North Spanish Fork Parkway. I guess I

596
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:16,799
should have checked. Maybe the

597
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:20,000
applicant's not here for that. Is the

598
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,760
We're covered. Okay, applicant's here.

599
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,200
Perfect. Okay. Um, so Dave, if you'll

600
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,600
excuse me, kind of this is a spot that I

601
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,159
want to just maybe review our our public

602
00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:35,600
hearing uh um agenda or excuse me, our our

603
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,320
rules of of our public hearings in

604
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,880
Spanish Fork. And if if these need

605
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,559
repeat, we can we can do this again um

606
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:47,679
uh at the next public hearing. But let

607
00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:50,400
me just run through these really quick.

608
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,120
Uh so so we all know the the rules that

609
00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,760
we're playing by in in our city council

610
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,559
meeting. Um the first one speaker uh

611
00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:00,320
limited to three minutes each and we'll

612
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,240
see a timer up there. So that'll be up

613
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,640
there and and possibly one behind us. So

614
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,720
you you'll be able to see it at that

615
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,840
time. If when you reach three minutes on

616
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,720
your on your uh comment, please please

617
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,640
try to wrap it up. Uh you know, finish

618
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,400
that sentence. If there's anything else

619
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,320
that you'd like to say, please submit it

620
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,039
to us in in writing. Uh we'll we'll

621
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,480
receive that and take it under

622
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,720
consideration. Um if you hear your

623
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,320
comment maybe said, uh please uh please,

624
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,960
you know, uh just count that as as we've

625
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,960
heard the comment. Uh and so there's no

626
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,039
need to repeat what what somebody else

627
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:38,080
has said. Um we are taking notes up here

628
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,480
and so during a public uh hearing

629
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,520
section, you won't see us engage. If you

630
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,120
ask us a question, we'll be writing that

631
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:46,799
down. If you ask the applicant a

632
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:48,080
question, you we'll be writing that

633
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,240
down. And if you ask the city staff,

634
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,240
we'll be writing that down as well. But

635
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,000
so we don't eat up your your three

636
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,320
minutes, we we won't um we won't answer

637
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,120
those while we're talking. Um really

638
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,200
proud of this part in Spanish fork, but

639
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,360
shouting, yelling, clapping, not

640
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,280
allowed. Either in disagreement or

641
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,520
agreement with what somebody's saying.

642
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,280
We want to hear from everybody and we

643
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,520
don't want anybody feeling intimidated

644
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,360
about getting up here and speaking one

645
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,600
way or the other. So, please don't don't

646
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,520
cheer or boo or or clap or anything. We want to hear from everybody while we

647
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,000
have a a public hearing going on and we

648
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,440
want everybody to be comfortable that

649
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,480
way in speaking to us. Um, this is a

650
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,799
limited public forum. So, you're you're

651
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,120
you are free to address the council. Try

652
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,919
to try to not address each other. Uh

653
00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:39,039
that could maybe be something that you do outside or on your own time. Um

654
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,120
and then please uh when you get up uh to

655
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:42,720
the mic in our public hearing, state

656
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,200
your name and where you're from. We've

657
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,000
got uh because we've got so many uh here

658
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,360
for a public hearing tonight, we'll have

659
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,840
a different system that we'll ask you to

660
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,640
have a QR code and and and maybe that's

661
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,279
so everybody's not standing up in line

662
00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,039
waiting to speak to us, but you can sit

663
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:00,720
comfortably and then we'll call you when

664
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,640
it's your time to come up. But we'll try

665
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,159
to fill these seats. These front seats

666
00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:06,080
here are reserved for for maybe the next

667
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,840
three or four that are going to be the the people to speak and we'll let

668
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,840
you know your name so you can get up

669
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,159
there and and uh sit down comfortably

670
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:16,480
until it's time to come up. Um and like

671
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,640
I said, if you can name and the city

672
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,960
you're from, uh then uh that would be

673
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,320
great so we get that on the on the

674
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,799
record for you tonight. Okay, public

675
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:28,000
hearing. Uh Dave, before we go to a

676
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,760
public hearing, please uh if you could

677
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,880
brief us on 7.2. too. Mr. Mayor, quick

678
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,320
handoff to Mr. Snyder. Perfect. Mr.

679
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:42,470
Snyder. Thank you. There he is.

680
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,320
» Uh I'm a little more comfortable right

681
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,720
here. Thank you.

682
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,640
>> Uh this was reviewed by the planning

683
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,039
commission recently um at their August

684
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,840
meeting, August 5th. Um the request is a

685
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,559
zoning map amendment. Um, this is on the

686
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,440
east side of town at the corner of 400

687
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,120
North and Spanish Fork Parkway. Let's go

688
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,440
to the next slide.

689
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,120
Uh, you can see the area that's

690
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,320
highlighted. Um, it's just the north

691
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,880
portion of the property that abut

692
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600
Spanish Fork Parkway. The, uh, south of

693
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,960
it is already zoned R12 and will remain

694
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,480
uh, that way. And the applicant is

695
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,440
looking to change the zoning um, on the

696
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,480
north half to commercial. On the right

697
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,000
you see the general plan. It does

698
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,960
embrace uh some type of commercial use

699
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,279
uh at the intersection and along 400

700
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,159
North. Let's go to the next slide.

701
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:35,600
So once again, this is the request.

702
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,919
They're taking uh portions of property

703
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:41,279
from the RR, which is rural residential,

704
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,440
and then a a portion 75 ft of the R112

705
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,080
um to general commercial C2. Let's go to

706
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,919
the next slide.

707
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:53,200
Um this here is conceptual only. It was

708
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,400
provided by the applicant um for

709
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,799
reference. And so you can see the south

710
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:00,320
half which is the right side of the

711
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,960
screen that would still be developed in

712
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,840
larger single family uh residential lots

713
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,080
similar to what's uh surrounding it. And

714
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,200
then the north portion um the applicants

715
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,440
hoping to expand the commercial in the

716
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,480
area um which is just to the north where

717
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,640
the Harmons is is proposed to be

718
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,960
located. Um let's go to the next slide.

719
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,720
This was the recommendation from the

720
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,120
planning commission. They unanimous

721
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,679
unanimously, excuse me, uh recommended

722
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:32,400
approval with a 60 vote. Um based on

723
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,559
these findings that you see here, in

724
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,159
their opinion, it was consistent with

725
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:37,679
the general plan designation of

726
00:27:37,679 --> 00:27:40,080
commercial. Um it'll provide for

727
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,919
commercial uses at an important and

728
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:44,880
highly visible intersection. Um and that

729
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,400
the proposal will enhance commercial

730
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,640
uses and service in in the area. Uh and

731
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,039
then lastly that the proposal will

732
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,039
promote conveniently located commercial

733
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,919
uses and services. Um we did hold a

734
00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:58,000
public uh hearing at the planning

735
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,320
commission. We did have a number of the

736
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,960
adjoining property owners um get up and

737
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,799
share their comments. Um those are

738
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,480
listed there in your staff report. Some

739
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,080
of the things we did did hear um is the

740
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,880
need for commercial services. U some

741
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,399
felt this would be a beneficial use

742
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:16,320
under the power lines that bisect the

743
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,960
property. Um, others were in favor of

744
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,200
commercial and not town homes a number

745
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,080
of years ago. Um, there was a proposal

746
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,720
for town homes on the property which was not wellreceived. Uh, we did

747
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,320
hear some concerns from the neighbors

748
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,720
about potential for headlights in the

749
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,120
drive-thru, noise from the drive-thru,

750
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,200
uh, traffic needed intersection

751
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,679
improvements and road improvements um,

752
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:43,360
along Spanish Fork Parkway. Um, any

753
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,279
questions for staff at this time?

754
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:48,880
Questions for Mr. Snyder.

755
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,320
>> Brandon, I have one quick question. On

756
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,399
that east side of where they're going to

757
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,559
go commercial on the zoning map, would

758
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,240
they need to put up a masonry fence

759
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,360
since that's not zoned yet or would they

760
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,960
have to wait to see what happens there?

761
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,559
What would that look like?

762
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,000
>> Sorry, on the east side.

763
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,159
>> So, east is north on this

764
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:08,399
>> whating

765
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:11,039
the field. East is never north.

766
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:12,480
>> It might be up.

767
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,159
>> Hey, engineer speak. Be quiet.

768
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:15,679
>> Oh, that's true.

769
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,320
I see the masonry wall come into play is

770
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,480
to the south where it abuts the three

771
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,919
residential lots.

772
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:26,559
>> So if the property on map north

773
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:27,120
>> Thank you.

774
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,159
>> would um if it went residential, let's

775
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:32,080
say it went R12, which is in the general

776
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,159
plan kind of in the area right now,

777
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:35,600
would the commercial be required to

778
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,279
build a fence at that point or what

779
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,159
would that look like? um at this point.

780
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:41,760
So, this is just conceptual. Those

781
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,440
details we'd work out with the site plan

782
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,440
and the subdivision plat, but in their

783
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,080
current proposal, um there's a trail

784
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,799
that's uh along Spanish Parkway as well

785
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,279
as 400 North and then a trail that

786
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,399
follows the power line corridor. And so,

787
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,720
their current proposal in this concept

788
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,440
is that trail would be on the east

789
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,279
property line.

790
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,919
>> Um but we can definitely make note of of

791
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:08,559
that. Uh generally commercial at budding

792
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:10,960
residential you do have a a landscape

793
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,520
buffer with a masonry wall.

794
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,960
>> So your question is about timing.

795
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,720
>> Yeah because it's not zoned yet, right?

796
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,360
It's RR right now. I don't know when and

797
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,600
if that will change. I just don't know

798
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,159
who would pay for that if it went

799
00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:25,840
residential. That's my question. I guess

800
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,279
I probably asked it poorly.

801
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,159
>> Council, I mean I I'll maybe add to what

802
00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:32,480
Brandon shared. Our ordinance would not

803
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,799
require today a wall to be constructed

804
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,840
there. And it would be next to

805
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,799
impossible in the future to go back to a

806
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,000
property owner that had developed

807
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,120
sometime prior to

808
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,200
a neighboring property developing and

809
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,720
ask them to do something like build that

810
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:49,120
wall.

811
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,039
>> So if we wanted it, we would have to

812
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:54,159
hold the new zone, whoever zoned it at

813
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,399
that point to build that fence if that's

814
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:57,120
what we wanted,

815
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,880
>> which is somewhat common. Yeah. To do

816
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000
that. I'll also mention that the

817
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,600
configuration of the general plan is

818
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,039
such that at least part of that property

819
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,200
to the east conceivably could develop

820
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,399
non-residentially.

821
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:09,679
>> Correct.

822
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:11,679
>> Okay. Thank you,

823
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,039
>> Brad. And I have a question for you

824
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,520
about this. So just west of this

825
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,559
proposed development on the 2550 East

826
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,240
road right there that goes and you know

827
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,760
if you were continue it be in front of

828
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,880
the high school Maple Mountain High

829
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,799
School right now on the corner there. So

830
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:25,840
if we're looking at the map on the

831
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,480
bottom right uh it curves you know you

832
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,159
have to it's kind of dangerous in my

833
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:32,080
opinion but will this development uh

834
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,240
will finish a sidewalk and make it

835
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,880
straight? Will it take out that curve

836
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,000
that intersection? Do you know what I'm

837
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,200
talking about?

838
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,120
I don't have a pointer, but you're

839
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,039
talking the far right side of the

840
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:43,919
screen. Yep.

841
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:45,760
>> Uh that was a question that was raised

842
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,399
in the public hearing and I'll let Jared

843
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:51,120
uh speak as as uh he sees fit to

844
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,240
clarify, but um improvements happen as

845
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,519
development occurs. And so if the uh

846
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,279
developer were to phase it and start at

847
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,760
the north end um with the commercial,

848
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,640
then those improvements would go in um

849
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,519
and then as the subdivision goes in,

850
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:08,960
those improvements would then be

851
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,039
completed. That was a concern that was

852
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:12,640
shared with one of the neighbors as far

853
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,880
as uh it'd be nice to try and get all

854
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,320
the improvements on the east side of

855
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,279
Spanish Fork Parkway in at once. Um but

856
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,279
ultimately that happens as development

857
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,200
occurs unless there's some other

858
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,720
direction by the council.

859
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,080
>> Okay, good. Yeah, I would be in favor of

860
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:26,880
that too. So

861
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,480
>> I would also be in favor of like

862
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,919
finishing that whole road. I think it

863
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:31,519
would be really dangerous to leave it

864
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:32,480
open.

865
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,840
>> Stacy, are you talking about the west

866
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,840
side as well?

867
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,960
>> Are you just talking about the

868
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,159
development? Yeah. Let me make sure I'm

869
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:39,120
understanding where you're are you

870
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,039
talking on Spanish Parkway or are you

871
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:42,080
talking on

872
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,799
>> Yeah. Spanish Parkway will be that will

873
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,919
be approved improved

874
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:49,919
>> the whole piece that's outlined right

875
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:51,519
there. Even the residential.

876
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,320
>> Yeah. Yeah. It just may come with it may

877
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,640
be phased, but I think you can talk with

878
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880
the applicant about not phasing it.

879
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,240
>> Okay.

880
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Make sure I'm clear. Stacy, you're

881
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,600
talking about both the east and the west

882
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,519
side of Spanish park. No,

883
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,600
>> no.

884
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,000
Just the east side. So,

885
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,360
>> the west side currently has

886
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,480
>> You guys, we really do know our

887
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,039
directions.

888
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:18,880
>> The west side currently has homes. The

889
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,799
east side is where we're looking at

890
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:21,200
this.

891
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,480
>> So, the west side of the proposed site,

892
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,640
but the east side of the street.

893
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,360
>> Okay. Thank you.

894
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,080
>> Yes.

895
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,440
>> Perfect. Well, this is oriented

896
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,480
correctly.

897
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,480
>> West of the development. That's good

898
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,480
pointer.

899
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,519
>> Who's driving?

900
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,919
>> Jordan is. Good job, Jordan. Takes an

901
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,559
accountant to get us straight. So,

902
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,159
you're talking about where this pointer

903
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:44,080
is, that side of the road will be you

904
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,799
won't fully improve from the the full

905
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,960
length of this proposal.

906
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,880
>> Yeah. Otherwise, that's going to jut out

907
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,919
and then

908
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,360
>> it's going to look almost exactly like

909
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,320
it does today.

910
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,039
>> Yeah.

911
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:56,320
>> It's just in a different jutting

912
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,279
location.

913
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,039
>> Yeah. Just right on the corner there,

914
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,120
too. Just take off that edge.

915
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,240
>> Is the applicant here?

916
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:02,960
>> Yeah.

917
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,559
>> Wait, before I come, they come up. I

918
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:05,519
have a question.

919
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:09,839
Um, can we go back to the slides,

920
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:11,359
Brandon?

921
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:15,679
So, the proposal is C2 all of this. How

922
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,839
do you build residential in that C2

923
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:22,550
zone?

924
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,480
» So, the proposal is not for the entire

925
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,079
property, it's for the north half.

926
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,159
>> So, that that

927
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,639
>> that rectangle there is the bottom of

928
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,280
the commercial development. And from the

929
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,720
rectangle to the south,

930
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:38,879
no changes, but that is part of the

931
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:40,399
overall development.

932
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:42,240
>> There are changes. Right now, it's

933
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:42,800
>> it's

934
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,359
>> Sorry, go ahead.

935
00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:45,040
>> Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I was just going to

936
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,480
say it's taking 75 ft of the north part.

937
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,440
I don't if there's a pointer, but um

938
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,359
>> I need some pointers. But the the

939
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:56,399
concept will still allow for the

940
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:58,320
remaining southern portion to develop in

941
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,040
the R112 which I think it's nine lots

942
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,599
shown and that was previously

943
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,240
>> when you scroll forward two spots Jordan

944
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:06,640
please

945
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,680
>> to the concept

946
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,520
>> clip right what just one that is that

947
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,119
entire block

948
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:13,920
>> and the commercial property is just the

949
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,359
rectangle piece that we're changing

950
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:16,240
zoning wise

951
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,040
>> yes all right okay

952
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,320
>> now can you go back to the general plan

953
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,960
One more.

954
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,720
>> A couple more right here.

955
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,200
>> So, one of the findings from the

956
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,640
planning commission was that it is

957
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,160
consistent with the general plan. It

958
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,599
doesn't seem consistent with the general

959
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,200
plan.

960
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,640
>> The planning commission when it was

961
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,040
discussed with them, the general plan is

962
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,200
a visionary document and so the lines

963
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440
for the general plan are not as static

964
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,000
as the zoning district lines are. It's sort of semantics I think on my

965
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,720
part, but we hang our hat on that so

966
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,240
often that we say it's consistent with

967
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,680
the general plan. Part of this is

968
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,200
consistent with the general plan. Part

969
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,560
of it is not consistent with the general

970
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:54,960
plan.

971
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,560
>> That's fair to say. And so when we look

972
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,240
at the goals and policies and it

973
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,760
encourages

974
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,400
um commercial to be on the corner or

975
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,200
commercial along hightra corridors. Uh

976
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,320
in that regard it is.

977
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,520
>> Okay. So they're extending that

978
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,200
commercial general plan designation a

979
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,040
little bit further to accommodate what

980
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,400
they want to do there. Okay. That makes

981
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,440
a ton of sense. Thanks.

982
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,960
>> And I'll let the applicant speak to it,

983
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,880
but I believe some of the reasons for

984
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,280
that is just to offset the cost of some

985
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,400
of the improvements that are being

986
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,079
discussed such as along Spanish Fork

987
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,480
Parkway.

988
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,200
>> Mr. Mayor,

989
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,599
>> yes.

990
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,040
>> Maybe just one other thought on road

991
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,800
improvements. Spanish city has been

992
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,160
holding a certain amount of money to

993
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,880
improve the west side of Spanish Fork

994
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,119
Parkway along the subdivision frontage,

995
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,119
the subdivision that Edge constructed.

996
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:38,560
Boy, I think it was probably close to 10

997
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,640
years ago now. Um so I understand that

998
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,079
back at that time uh edge provided funds

999
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,680
in lie of making those improvements

1000
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,000
partially so that they could be made in

1001
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,079
conjunction with development that would

1002
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,560
happen on the east side and therefore uh

1003
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,160
improve that portion of the road as

1004
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,960
well. So at least along that portion of

1005
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,839
2550 east again on the west side that

1006
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:05,920
absuts that subdivision. We'd expect to

1007
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,880
see that improved uh at some point in

1008
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,320
time in concert with the development of

1009
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,079
this property if that proceeds.

1010
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,800
>> Dave, how many years ago was that?

1011
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,560
>> Uh I feel like I can check seems like

1012
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,359
10.

1013
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:22,079
>> So 10 years costs have gone up. Is that

1014
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,079
enough to cover how much of

1015
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:26,160
>> Very likely not enough to cover all of

1016
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,480
it?

1017
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,240
>> We used it in a streets fund, but

1018
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,000
uh at that point we didn't know exactly

1019
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,839
how this road did line out. So we didn't

1020
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:35,040
want to put the improvements in just to

1021
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,680
term out. So likely the costs have gone

1022
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,520
up, but we use them funds elsewhere. So

1023
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,760
we'll just the city would fund this.

1024
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,510
Okay.

1025
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,079
» Any other questions for staff before we

1026
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,960
invite the applicant up here?

1027
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,880
Okay.

1028
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,760
>> Anything you want to add to it? Sorry,

1029
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,440
we need your name, too.

1030
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,760
>> Yeah. Uh, my name is Forest Gascoll. I

1031
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,960
represent the developer here. Um, I'll

1032
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,880
try to I'll try to touch on the things

1033
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,119
we talked about, um, as best I can

1034
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,240
remember them. So, um, our plan right

1035
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,079
now is to develop the entirety of the

1036
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:13,599
property, both the commercial and the

1037
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,520
residential at the same time. I want to

1038
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,920
clarify that because I believe in the

1039
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,680
planning commission meeting what I said

1040
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160
might have not sounded like that. So

1041
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,040
that is our plan. We do want to pl and

1042
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,440
improve the residential portion at the

1043
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,280
same time as the commercial. Um so we

1044
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,040
would do we would improve the entirety

1045
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,680
of the length of Spanish fork parkway at

1046
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,560
that time. Um and then yeah, just to

1047
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,440
brush on the kind of um the slightly

1048
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,680
misalignment to the zoning and general

1049
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,800
plan, um the parcel to the east, and I

1050
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,480
apologize. I'll make sure next time I

1051
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,640
come in, I turn my map so that north is

1052
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,359
out.

1053
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:51,920
>> We'll get it.

1054
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,720
>> Um that is owned by Rock Mountain Power.

1055
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,400
We've had a lot of talks with them

1056
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,920
obviously with the power line corridor

1057
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,920
right there. They have told us they have

1058
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,440
no intention of selling that right now.

1059
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,680
So while that may be the um the you know

1060
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,200
the ideal uh general plan designation,

1061
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,880
we're not able to develop that as

1062
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,040
commercial uh at least in the

1063
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,520
foreseeable future. And then we designed

1064
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,839
our plan kind of around that power

1065
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:21,040
corridor power corridor. Um because that

1066
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,119
takes up a lot of that northern end, we

1067
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,040
had to kind of push some buildings to

1068
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,960
the south. And then we're showing four

1069
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,680
lots. Uh, and that acreage is about what

1070
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,480
we think it'll take to sort of um to uh

1071
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,720
be able to afford to improve put in the

1072
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,640
slip lane that I don't know if it showed

1073
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,400
up in this packet, but we were talking

1074
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,000
about in planning commission. There's a

1075
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,520
turn lane that they want us to put in.

1076
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,760
We've got to kind of fit it around some

1077
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,160
existing power lines. So, that's that's

1078
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,400
kind of how we came up with that um that

1079
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,800
acreage and that that size. And then

1080
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,560
yeah, on the residential side, we're

1081
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,040
just happy to uh do develop it as it is

1082
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,520
currently zoned and we think that that

1083
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,000
size lot and that type of street is

1084
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,800
something that, you know, will be uh

1085
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,640
that there's a market for in the city.

1086
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,320
So, we don't plan on asking for anything

1087
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,160
there. We're just going to develop it as

1088
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,320
per the current zoning.

1089
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,560
Um and yeah, that's if you have any

1090
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,000
questions, I'm happy to answer.

1091
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,839
>> Forest, you're not phasing this at all.

1092
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:23,599
plan on then developing the commercial

1093
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,160
and the residential at the same time?

1094
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,079
>> Yeah, we we think the commercial uh

1095
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,079
there's already, you know, a market for

1096
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,760
it and we can get moving on that right

1097
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,920
away. The residential, we're going to

1098
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,680
plat and with the platting and um and uh

1099
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,040
separating the lots, we'll do the

1100
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040
improvements at that point. Um, we're

1101
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,440
not I wouldn't say our company I

1102
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,040
wouldn't consider us home builders, but

1103
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,440
we um we are developers, so we can do at

1104
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,880
least the the platting and uh and

1105
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,720
improving at the beginning.

1106
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,720
>> You plan on selling the lots or are you

1107
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,200
going to hire or work with a developer

1108
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,240
to do all of the building? And

1109
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,480
>> um

1110
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,280
at this point I'd say the plan is to

1111
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,920
probably work with somebody but um we we

1112
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,680
have done some home building in the past

1113
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,160
small scale which I'd say this fits. So

1114
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,000
we're kind of keeping our our options

1115
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,630
open there.

1116
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,440
» Any other questions for Forest before we

1117
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,920
go into public hearing?

1118
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,520
>> Thank you Forest. Appreciate it. Might

1119
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,560
have you back up.

1120
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,839
>> Okay. ought to entertain a motion to go

1121
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:30,720
into public hearing for item 7.2, the

1122
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,400
zoning map change at 400 North Spanish

1123
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:34,880
Parkway.

1124
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,000
>> So second

1125
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,079
>> motion made by Councilman Oiler, second

1126
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,000
by Councilman Carden. All in favor say

1127
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,040
yes.

1128
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,560
>> We're in public hearing uh for 7.2.

1129
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,079
Anybody from the public that would like

1130
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,040
to speak to this agenda item, please do

1131
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,599
manage.

1132
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,760
>> And then there are four people that are

1133
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,359
in that other room. And so yeah, you're good. You're good. But there are

1134
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:57,200
four people. Mhm. And so if you want to

1135
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,960
work them in, you've got their names on

1136
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,079
that sheet. So if you want to work them

1137
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,280
in however you can.

1138
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,480
>> Are you Eric?

1139
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,240
>> No, I don't find.

1140
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,880
>> Okay. Okay. I'll work I'll work them

1141
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,839
after you. John.

1142
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:10,319
>> Hey, sounds good. And Janine is here as

1143
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:10,640
well.

1144
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,160
>> Oh, hi. Perfect.

1145
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,240
>> Uh John Sumpion. I live across the

1146
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,720
street. Um,

1147
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,839
I was, um,

1148
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:22,400
pleased to see beneficial commercial

1149
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,480
use, um, especially because it allows

1150
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,599
improvement across the whole, um, east

1151
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,000
side of the road and it connects the

1152
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,880
trail from on Spanish Fork Parkway by

1153
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,040
where Harmons is going to be to the

1154
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,720
trail that is in front of the high

1155
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,240
school.

1156
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,160
Um, I didn't know whether it was going

1157
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,119
to be a phased thing or whatever. So, I

1158
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,440
expressed disapproval during the

1159
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,119
planning commission hearing that it was

1160
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,520
going to be developed and improved, at

1161
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,079
least improved along Spanish Fork

1162
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,560
Parkway at the same time. I'm in favor

1163
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,079
of the proposal.

1164
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:02,480
>> Thank you.

1165
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,359
John. Appreciate it, John.

1166
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,599
Miss Bazgard, as you come up, I'll I'll

1167
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,599
read out uh James, Bri, and Angie. If

1168
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,920
you're in the next room, please please

1169
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,960
make your way in to speak to this item.

1170
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,800
Thank you.

1171
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,359
>> Uh we submitted a letter and I was just

1172
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:23,520
wondering how many have had had a chance

1173
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:24,319
to read that.

1174
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:24,800
>> Yep.

1175
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,240
>> Okay. And if you had any questions. Um,

1176
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,599
and I just will briefly say that we

1177
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,920
loved moving up there when it was all

1178
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,480
barley and cornfields, but we also

1179
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,560
recognize that property owners have the

1180
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,240
right to um develop and their property

1181
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,960
that will be in their best interest. We

1182
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,520
know because the power line goes through

1183
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,920
there that a developer has a lot of

1184
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,440
convenience

1185
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,400
and we need to be able to afford to put

1186
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,839
the improvements in for that piece of

1187
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:01,680
road that's uh totally inadequate for

1188
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:07,829
the traffic that's on there. Uh we

1189
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:10,160
um are really glad that you brought up

1190
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,800
that the city will take care of the

1191
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,520
piece of that they have have not decided

1192
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,079
to develop until across the street was

1193
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,560
developed uh because that will really

1194
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,720
improve that too. We're grateful for

1195
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,160
that and we're grateful that you're

1196
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,160
going to do it all at once. That will be

1197
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,359
very helpful. Um

1198
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:33,760
the southern portion of the property uh

1199
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,520
being R zoned R12 is compatible with the

1200
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,880
surrounding homes and uh that looks

1201
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,960
really good to us. The northern portion

1202
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,440
is limited for development options

1203
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,440
because the power easement and we know

1204
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,599
that they're doing their best to make

1205
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,400
that um to be an attractive and

1206
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,119
beautiful place. We know that the the

1207
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,599
traffic's already there from the high

1208
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,920
school and connecting Spanish Fork

1209
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,800
Parkway down to the highway that goes to

1210
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,119
Springville. So, the traffic's already

1211
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,119
there. And so, we really don't think the

1212
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,520
commercial development will bring more

1213
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,040
traffic. It'll just be the people that

1214
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,680
are already using that. We do hope that

1215
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,319
the developer will be mindful of the

1216
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:18,640
three homes directly across the street

1217
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,160
and that they will be careful about um

1218
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,920
you know

1219
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,560
lights from your car flashing in our uh

1220
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,000
living room window and u their exits and

1221
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,960
entrances. If they're right by mine,

1222
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,400
it's going to be pretty hard for me to

1223
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,480
ever get out coming this way, this way,

1224
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,000
and this straight at me. So, I hope

1225
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,640
they'll all be be very careful of that.

1226
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,960
And um

1227
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,040
I really

1228
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,800
have looked at several different

1229
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,800
proposals and this one actually looks

1230
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,160
like the best option that we've seen and

1231
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,640
even though it's going to be really hard

1232
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,480
for us um we recognize that this will

1233
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,000
probably be the best option for that

1234
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,640
piece of property. So

1235
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,280
um we don't oppose.

1236
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,200
>> Thank you. Thank you. Can you get your name for Terara so she makes or

1237
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520
excuse me for uh

1238
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,440
>> Shelly so she gets it in the minutes?

1239
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:20,079
>> Janine J A N E Bazgard B- A D S G A A R

1240
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:21,520
D.

1241
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,520
>> Thank you, Miss Bazgarden. And keep an

1242
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,880
eye out for Councilman Carden and

1243
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,319
Councilman Tuk that are in that

1244
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:27,280
neighborhood up there

1245
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,240
>> down the street from

1246
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,319
>> Make sure they don't drive too fast down

1247
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:33,040
that road ever. All right. Thank you.

1248
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,400
Appreciate it. Okay. Uh, next, uh, I had

1249
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,160
on the list here, Eric. Eric.

1250
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,560
>> Yes.

1251
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,440
>> Hi there. Thanks for the time. Um,

1252
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,160
looking at the plan, um, some of the

1253
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,040
concerns that I had. Um, I'm a resident,

1254
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,680
just so you know. I'm off 130 North

1255
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,960
right there on the corner. And, uh, the

1256
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,480
traffic I know has been mentioned. I

1257
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,800
have I have cameras on my back porch and

1258
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,240
there's many many accidents there

1259
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,680
especially with the high school and the

1260
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,400
young drivers. Uh, the one thing I did

1261
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,240
want to talk about is about a year and a

1262
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,280
half ago, they did some reasonzoning for

1263
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,599
the elementary schools. And one of the

1264
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:14,960
things that they did with that is they

1265
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,680
said that um over in that neighborhood

1266
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,400
directly south of where um the fields

1267
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,839
are, they reszoned them over to um

1268
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:26,400
Sierra Bonita and they are not offering

1269
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,079
a bus or any type of system like that.

1270
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,319
So those kids are walking across that

1271
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:34,800
street and at the time we requested, you

1272
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,800
know, some provisions be done. For

1273
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,720
example, you know, flashing lights, you

1274
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,800
know, crossing guards and they did do

1275
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,400
the the flashing lights were already

1276
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,760
there, but they did put a crossing

1277
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,800
guard, but I think there's going to be

1278
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,560
some additional measures that this goes

1279
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,240
through with the increased traffic and

1280
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,240
things like that. Um, I have some

1281
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,240
concerns about that and would like to

1282
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,160
see some additional measures looked at

1283
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,920
for that. um just for a safety concerns

1284
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,760
with this new development that's going

1285
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:05,520
in. Um as well as the you know like like

1286
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,720
they said that they're going to be doing

1287
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,880
all the the rework because there is that

1288
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,560
S-curve right there at the south that's

1289
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,560
very bad. It's it's hard to see

1290
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,280
especially with the um green box that's

1291
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,680
there on that corner. So those

1292
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,920
improvements again would I would like to

1293
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,680
echo that that needs to be done all at

1294
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,599
the same time so that it helps with that

1295
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,079
traffic flow. And uh that's everything

1296
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:27,359
that I have that I wanted to bring

1297
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:28,240
forward. Thank you.

1298
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,200
>> Thanks. Thanks.

1299
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:35,430
>> Appreciate that.

1300
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,920
» I had uh James Burky next. If James is

1301
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,910
here,

1302
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,800
while he's on his way, if Angie Parkin

1303
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,960
is here,

1304
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,559
>> I misunderstood. I'm actually here for

1305
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:51,520
the next the next.

1306
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,599
>> Perfect. Okay, thank you. Uh Jesse,

1307
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:57,760
Jessenne

1308
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,790
Rail,

1309
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,240
» got it. No, perfect. Anybody else uh for

1310
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,680
public hearing uh item 7.2 up on Yes.

1311
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,640
Sorry. Yeah.

1312
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,559
>> Hi. You said my name earlier and I was

1313
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:13,040
just being polite. Um, hi. My name is

1314
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,480
Bri. I actually live around the corner

1315
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,800
from Eric. Um, he has the really cool

1316
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,319
Halloween decorations on the corner that

1317
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:20,079
everybody comes and sees.

1318
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:21,760
>> Um, I am the mother of two young

1319
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,800
children who one of them is autistic and

1320
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,800
goes to Sierra Bonita. She loves being

1321
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,839
outside. She loves being around the the

1322
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:32,880
park. And while we monitor her closely,

1323
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,440
I do every day I'm concerned about

1324
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,640
pedestrian safety. I love that we have a

1325
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,400
ton of small kids in that neighborhood.

1326
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,640
I love the park. I love the community

1327
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,280
feel. So, that is a big thing of if this

1328
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,520
goes through, I would love to see the

1329
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,960
developer really um promote that and

1330
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,960
hopefully it will decrease some uh some

1331
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,200
of the vehicular traffic because if

1332
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,480
we're encouraging those high schoolers

1333
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,640
to hopefully go to Swig if there's one

1334
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,800
that goes there. Um they're already

1335
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,880
walking down the street to the holiday,

1336
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,160
which I being a nervous mom anyways, I

1337
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,839
will follow the high schoolers slowly

1338
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:10,079
just so there's not quick cars going

1339
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:11,359
past them because that makes me really

1340
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:14,400
nervous. Um, so the pedestrian and child

1341
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,480
safety is a huge issue for me with this

1342
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,880
going in. Uh, we do have a very active

1343
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,079
neighborhood. As soon as it's good

1344
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,720
weather, everyone's outside. And in

1345
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,559
addition to that, with the Harmons going

1346
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,559
in and with this going possibly going

1347
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,800
in, we have a lot of people who cut

1348
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,640
through our neighborhood to try to avoid

1349
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,440
Spanish Parkway at 40 plus miles an

1350
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,920
hour. And that is terrifying because I

1351
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,800
live kitty corner from the park. Um, so

1352
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,640
that I mean I'm constantly barking at my

1353
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,720
kids, which I'm sure my neighbors love.

1354
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,079
Um, so that I know that, you know, speed

1355
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:51,119
bumps are not economical, but um, we're

1356
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:52,480
right next to the high school. We're

1357
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,200
right next to all this proposed

1358
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,839
commercial. Like, we really need to

1359
00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:00,160
avoid any potential tragedies that would

1360
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,200
come with quick drivers. Um, and again,

1361
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,119
echoing the Spanish Parkway is an

1362
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:06,720
absolute mess. We moved into this

1363
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,400
neighborhood four years ago. Um we I

1364
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,800
mean there's accidents all the time and

1365
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,240
I am again neurotic and emailed all of

1366
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,200
the Maple Mountain High School leaders

1367
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,680
and said please for all that you can

1368
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,200
please encourage the high schoolers to

1369
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,160
go slow. Um also that four-way stop

1370
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,520
that's just south of the high school.

1371
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,119
People who don't live in the area don't

1372
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,280
realize it's a four-way stop. Constantly

1373
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,640
blitzing through that. Um, so all the

1374
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,880
Spanish for parkways, particularly that

1375
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,359
stretch from the light down to the high

1376
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:43,040
school is a really scary place to be.

1377
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,119
Um, and then again, Sierra Bonita being

1378
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,640
a walking school, the high schoolers,

1379
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,319
they will walk to um, yeah, walk to the

1380
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:51,920
park. They'll, I'm sure, eventually walk

1381
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,960
here. But that would be my main like I

1382
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,880
want to support

1383
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,119
good business coming into the area. I've

1384
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:00,800
already convinced three family members

1385
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,400
to move to Spanish Fork in the years

1386
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,640
that we've been here. We love it. Uh

1387
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,160
would really love to see some measures

1388
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,079
put forth to make sure that our kids are

1389
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:11,839
safe. Um and our neighbors. So, thank

1390
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:12,319
you.

1391
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:14,480
>> Thank you, Bri.

1392
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,200
>> Can we Can we ask questions or we're not

1393
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:17,920
going to ask questions?

1394
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,119
>> You're going to hold your question.

1395
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:20,160
>> What is to her?

1396
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,160
>> Well, she'll she's sticking around. She

1397
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,760
>> Okay, Bri, can you stick around?

1398
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,720
>> All right.

1399
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,160
>> Right there. Yeah, right there. Thank

1400
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,920
you.

1401
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,160
Anyone else uh for this public hearing

1402
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:38,790
item up on Spanish Fork Parkway?

1403
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,760
» You could sit down brief.

1404
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,960
>> Yeah, we can. Yeah, please.

1405
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:41,760
>> We don't want

1406
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,680
>> uh Jake Lassley, Spanish Fork. I'm

1407
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,599
looking at the proposed I know it's just

1408
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,920
a mockup drawing, but they had three

1409
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,559
additional um places where you would

1410
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,359
enter or exit off of Spanish for Parkway

1411
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:55,520
for that. That's a huge concern for me.

1412
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,440
I could see maybe one, but three

1413
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,880
additional ones right there at that

1414
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,839
corner is a concern. That's all. Thanks.

1415
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:06,150
>> Thanks, Jake.

1416
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,559
» Anyone else for this public hearing?

1417
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:13,030
Spanish Fork Parkway.

1418
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,000
» Anybody in the other room, Seth?

1419
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,599
>> Not that I'm aware of. I think we've got

1420
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:17,920
them all.

1421
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,200
>> I think we got them all signed up from

1422
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,839
the other room. Perfect. Okay. If

1423
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:24,640
there's no no other public hearing uh

1424
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,319
participants for this item, I would

1425
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:27,599
entertain a motion to go out of public

1426
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:29,680
hearing for 7.2.

1427
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:30,640
>> So moved.

1428
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,240
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

1429
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:32,559
>> Second.

1430
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,319
by Councilman Tuk. All in favor

1431
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:35,040
say yes.

1432
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:35,520
>> Yes.

1433
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,520
>> Okay. Discussion back up here.

1434
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,200
Councilman Marcy. You had a question for

1435
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:39,760
>> for Bri.

1436
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:40,319
>> Bri.

1437
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:41,599
>> Yes.

1438
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:43,680
>> Um you mentioned you would like to see

1439
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,079
some pedestrian safety improvements. I'm

1440
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:50,880
curious in this little section. What are you envisioning

1441
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,640
would be the the improvements you'd like

1442
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,000
to see? Just so that I make sure that

1443
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,240
I'm saying the right things.

1444
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:00,880
>> Yeah. Um I mean wide walkways, trees. Uh

1445
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,480
I like that there's a burm. Is it called

1446
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,240
a burm? That between the um the pathway,

1447
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:07,599
it's right across the street from the

1448
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:08,800
high school where there's like that

1449
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,040
walkway. People are on that all the

1450
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,319
time. So having some distance. Um my

1451
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:16,240
daughter, she's Yeah, she's on the

1452
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,000
spectrum. She does alope. We've worked

1453
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,920
with her a ton on it, but having that

1454
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,280
extra space um really provides a lot of

1455
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,839
comfort between us and the street. And

1456
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:27,599
just on my street alone, we have five

1457
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:29,760
autistic kids and half of them are

1458
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,440
non-verbal. So,

1459
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,760
>> I would say some space between the

1460
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,319
sidewalk and the street, incentivizing

1461
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:37,839
people to walk to these commercial

1462
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:40,400
places. So, like whatever that may look

1463
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,359
like, and trying to disincentivize any

1464
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:44,880
um traffic going through the

1465
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,599
neighborhood, but

1466
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,040
>> Okay. So you're concerned about the

1467
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,119
entire stretch of Spanish Parkway in

1468
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:49,839
this area.

1469
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:50,160
>> Yeah.

1470
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,400
>> And while we are developing this one

1471
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,680
section almost first, get it right.

1472
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,440
Provide some buffer between the traffic

1473
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,160
and and people on the sidewalks. Okay.

1474
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,079
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, tons of little kids

1475
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:03,839
are on their bikes all the time and the

1476
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:04,480
high schoolers.

1477
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,960
>> A crossing walk up by the intersection.

1478
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,119
>> Nothing mid block, I'm assuming.

1479
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:11,280
>> Yeah. like much like what Eric said,

1480
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,960
like some dedicated crosswalk that's

1481
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,280
like right and clear of like because

1482
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,160
kids will either cross at that line or

1483
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,920
at that four-way stop to go to Sierra

1484
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,079
Bonita and that's our entire

1485
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:22,880
neighborhood.

1486
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,800
>> Bri, which one has the four-way? Is it

1487
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,240
130 130 north?

1488
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:26,640
>> No.

1489
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,839
>> Or is it the southern one?

1490
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:29,599
>> I'm so bad. Street number

1491
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:30,640
>> south of the seminary.

1492
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,440
>> Okay. South of the seminary. I mean,

1493
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,720
where the temple's eventually going to

1494
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,480
go, which obviously between the Harbins

1495
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,119
and the temple and like we're all very

1496
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:41,119
excited. We're the main thing we're

1497
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:44,559
nervous about is we don't want um our

1498
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,200
kids to be in danger. So, and also too,

1499
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,280
like we have I love the high schoolers

1500
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,960
in our neighborhood and the ones I do

1501
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,839
know, I tell them to go slow, but um

1502
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:57,440
yeah, there's there's really no

1503
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,599
protections other than right in front of

1504
00:55:59,599 --> 00:55:59,839
the

1505
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:02,319
>> So, this is currently a four-way stop.

1506
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:04,000
>> That's currently a four-way stop and you

1507
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,160
can't see one of the stop signs. Like,

1508
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,240
it's covered by a tree right now. And

1509
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,319
so, there's constantly people driving

1510
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:11,839
through that four-way stop. And that's

1511
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:13,680
also the stretch of road that the high

1512
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,079
schoolers walk to go to the Holiday gas

1513
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,680
station. So that entire street is

1514
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,520
>> I just live south of you. They're down

1515
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,000
past that field. So I do have a question

1516
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,079
following up with Shane's. So I don't

1517
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,480
drive the Arrive homes maybe that that

1518
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,920
are east of you,

1519
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,280
>> but you know how they have their little

1520
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,599
jet outs there. Does that slow down

1521
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:34,799
traffic at all?

1522
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:36,000
>> No.

1523
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:36,880
>> Okay.

1524
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,319
>> Streets are way too wide.

1525
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:39,920
>> Oh, you're right. Yeah, the streets are

1526
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,440
wide, which is great for

1527
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:41,760
>> Yeah.

1528
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,599
>> for neighborhood, you know, community,

1529
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:44,400
but

1530
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,160
>> Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Bri.

1531
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,280
>> Oh, no, that's

1532
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,720
>> Jared. I've got a couple of questions

1533
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,480
for you. What's the long-term plan for

1534
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,359
this intersection?

1535
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:54,000
>> Thank you. Thank you.

1536
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,160
>> This intersection

1537
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,520
is going to be constructed as a

1538
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,760
roundabout. So, the plans are in design

1539
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,559
right now and should be built with the

1540
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:03,599
temple and the subdivision.

1541
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,119
>> Will this be a roundabout that has

1542
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:06,720
pedestrian islands?

1543
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:07,200
>> Yes.

1544
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:13,510
>> Okay. Can we go north, Jordan?

1545
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,079
Keep going.

1546
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:17,920
Right there. So, that

1547
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,359
intersection there, what will that one

1548
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:20,000
be?

1549
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,000
>> That currently in our master plan is an

1550
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,920
uncontrolled intersection with just stop

1551
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,040
signs from east to west.

1552
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,799
>> Okay. Because there, especially if

1553
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:33,599
depending on what we do, let me back up.

1554
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,280
So the Edge Homes improvements that

1555
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,280
we're talking about, is that just behind

1556
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,520
the edge homes or is that the entire

1557
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,760
length of the rest of Spanish Parkway to

1558
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,559
Forest South?

1559
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,960
>> That's just the frontage of the Edge

1560
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,240
Homes subdivision.

1561
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,599
>> Okay. So I think there's two fundamental

1562
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:54,000
questions we have to ask. So the first

1563
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,559
is if we think that we need to figure

1564
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:58,079
out how to improve those because there's

1565
00:57:58,079 --> 00:57:59,359
not going to be development coming for

1566
00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:01,599
those last is it three houses? Three

1567
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,359
houses. Yeah. So there's not going to be

1568
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,839
development there outside of those edge

1569
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:06,960
homes that we've already talked about

1570
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,079
paying for, right?

1571
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,280
>> So the question would be is does this

1572
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,720
intersection need to be approved to

1573
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,079
encourage crossing here to walk up the

1574
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:17,200
street

1575
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,640
>> or do we need to pay for the rest of the

1576
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,480
street to be improved, those three

1577
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,880
included houses, because we can approve

1578
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,079
up to the edge homes, but then there's

1579
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:27,359
those three last houses, that last

1580
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:29,359
little jog, and that creates an unsafe

1581
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:30,000
environment,

1582
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,559
>> right? or we need to help improve this.

1583
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:34,400
And if it's only scheduled to be a stop

1584
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,760
sign, that's not going to do it.

1585
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,720
>> So, I like that you've got the trail on

1586
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,200
that side with the develop development.

1587
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,359
Is that planned for the northern

1588
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:44,799
>> northern portion as well? That trail

1589
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:47,599
will go all the way to to 400.

1590
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:48,240
>> Correct.

1591
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,359
>> Okay. So, not to get away from what

1592
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:53,440
Jesse asked, there's a cross-section

1593
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,599
that we have adopted for Smashburg

1594
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,599
Parkway. Can you find that? Pull that up

1595
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,680
just so that everyone sees. But the full

1596
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,920
vision of what we would implement there,

1597
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,760
how we get to it is on the east side of

1598
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,440
the road, this development takes care of

1599
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,000
it.

1600
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,280
>> On the west side of the road, there's a

1601
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,559
section that we we will fund

1602
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,000
and there's a section of three homes

1603
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,359
that need we need to figure that out.

1604
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:15,680
Right,

1605
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,400
>> Jared? Isn't

1606
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,559
don't go. Isn't this cross-section

1607
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,319
what's in front of the high school the

1608
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:25,280
cross-section?

1609
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,359
>> Yes, it's what's along the whole park.

1610
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:27,920
>> Yeah. So,

1611
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,720
>> but the cross is

1612
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,040
>> So, if you just look at the southern

1613
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,799
portion of this image, that's the

1614
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:34,319
cross-section that we'll have three

1615
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:37,280
lanes, uh, middle turn lane, right? Some

1616
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,920
del capabilities on either side of the

1617
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,440
shoulder,

1618
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,480
>> shoulder buffer,

1619
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,680
>> shoulders, park strips. Yeah. And then a

1620
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,119
trail on the one side, a sidewalk on the

1621
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:48,400
other. That's the cross-section that

1622
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,200
will be continued to the north.

1623
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,640
>> And Bri, that's what you had in mind is

1624
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,119
that same crosssection. Okay,

1625
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,760
>> perfect. Let me ask a question to our

1626
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,559
police chief, Chief Johnson. If that's

1627
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:02,000
all right.

1628
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,520
>> Are they called What are they called?

1629
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,760
Hawk, if I got the right term, blinking

1630
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:06,799
lights.

1631
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:07,359
>> Yeah,

1632
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:10,480
>> hawk lights. What What goes into a study

1633
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,240
to determine if a hawk light should be

1634
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,799
installed or not?

1635
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:17,200
>> I'll refer to Jared, our engineer.

1636
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,359
>> We would do a pedestrian study. It would

1637
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:21,119
be a study that we'd count the

1638
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:22,880
pedestrians and look into whether it was

1639
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,640
warranted or not. Um the safe school

1640
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,880
routes does not have this designated as

1641
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,799
a safe crossing for the school routes.

1642
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:33,040
>> Who who determines the safe school

1643
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,079
routes?

1644
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:35,680
>> We have a traffic safety committee that

1645
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,240
works in conjunction with uh our staff

1646
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,079
and the Nebo school district and the

1647
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:41,680
school district is a very active

1648
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,000
participant in that safe school route.

1649
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,400
So they will be very much involved in

1650
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,880
creating the walk routes for students in

1651
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:49,599
this area.

1652
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,680
>> Is there is there a crossing guard at

1653
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,680
this intersection? No,

1654
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,760
>> this is at a high school. So, we don't

1655
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,359
have crossing guards at high schools,

1656
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:58,079
>> but we

1657
01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:59,920
>> we could put one here for if there was

1658
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,119
an elementary crossing.

1659
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:03,680
>> We we we evaluate them every year with

1660
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,359
the schools and we certainly do that.

1661
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:06,960
The addition of the homes with this

1662
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,119
subdivision aren't really going to add,

1663
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,640
you know, a measurable change to to

1664
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,440
that. But, but I think just I think the

1665
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,640
question's been raised. You know,

1666
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,240
they're they're uncomfortable with the

1667
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,240
route that the school has set up. And so

1668
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,960
we can work with the school district and

1669
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,480
>> Matt I don't I don't know if you sit on

1670
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,920
that committee but Matt's people do and

1671
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,440
Jared I don't know if you sit on it but

1672
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,880
your people do. So you can bring that

1673
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:29,280
up.

1674
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,720
>> We'll put this in the traffic safety

1675
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,640
committee and take a look. Um a hawk

1676
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,240
signal probably would not be warranted.

1677
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,520
Those are the ones that go over the

1678
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,400
street.

1679
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,280
>> The RFBs are more the flashing beacons.

1680
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,799
>> That's what I was thinking. So what are

1681
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:41,680
those called?

1682
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:42,079
>> RFB.

1683
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:45,520
systems are above it and stalk.

1684
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,040
>> So RFP or B

1685
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,359
>> RFB B is in boy. There is one of those

1686
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:50,799
just south of this.

1687
01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:52,799
>> There is one on

1688
01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:54,400
>> the RFBs are usually put on all the

1689
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,000
roundabouts or they are put on all the

1690
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:56,720
roundabouts.

1691
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,680
>> Okay.

1692
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,119
>> But we'll certainly put this on our list

1693
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:02,160
and take a look at it.

1694
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,280
>> I think it needs to be broader than

1695
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,319
that. We probably need to have a

1696
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:06,240
conversation about how to complete

1697
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,069
Spanish Parkway

1698
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:11,520
» all the way to both sides.

1699
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,119
>> Certainly not tonight. This this

1700
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:14,559
development is going to do its part if

1701
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:15,520
it's approved.

1702
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,040
>> We do have some work to do for the rest

1703
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,240
of the corridor though. I'm a big fan.

1704
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,520
>> Great questions. But yeah,

1705
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,520
>> and I think the other part when we're

1706
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,880
talking about Spanish Parkway in this

1707
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,559
stretch, Jake said it well is that Smash

1708
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:28,319
Fork Parkway. I don't know the words

1709
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:29,920
that were used. I think hot mess, mess,

1710
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,839
I think those were interchangeable, but

1711
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,839
there's a lot of traffic on this,

1712
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:38,079
especially at 7:30 to about what time

1713
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:40,079
school started? 7:45. Yeah. And then

1714
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,960
from 3:00 on, Seth has a lot of pictures

1715
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,480
of me sending him of the roundabout on

1716
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,520
the south side from um Highway 6. But

1717
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,880
there there's a lot of traffic on

1718
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,640
Spanish Parkway. And so one of the

1719
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,000
things that I think that we I don't know

1720
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,480
if we need to put as a condition or as

1721
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,880
something to note is how many entrances

1722
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,559
we're adding to Spanish Parkway from the

1723
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:01,200
commercial area because it is going to

1724
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,280
be hard especially as we're closer to a

1725
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,640
light. I know there's standards that are

1726
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,319
going to be around that. So maybe maybe

1727
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,480
we can talk to that. How far away from

1728
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:09,520
the signal would they even be able to

1729
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,839
put an entrance to Spanish Parkway?

1730
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:15,039
>> Three, sorry, 350 ft would be the fir

1731
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:16,400
first access

1732
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,440
>> and then it' be spaced beyond that. So I

1733
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:20,960
would only see one access from the

1734
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,079
commercial district

1735
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,760
>> onto the parkway, one access from the

1736
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,920
subdivision and none of the houses would

1737
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,039
access.

1738
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:27,920
>> Got the parkway.

1739
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,039
>> So they'd have to come through this

1740
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:30,160
street here.

1741
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,440
>> They'd either have to come this street

1742
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,559
through the south or there would be the

1743
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,000
one street that's in between the

1744
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:34,880
commercial.

1745
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,520
>> Okay. So Jared, even you even though you

1746
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,599
say you could see one access for the

1747
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,920
residential, that doesn't mean there

1748
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,319
needs to be an access on Spanish Parkway

1749
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:46,400
for the residential. They could access

1750
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,160
it from the south, right?

1751
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,680
>> Correct.

1752
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,240
Or go through the commercial. But the

1753
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,920
way the concept is drawn, there's a road

1754
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,359
that's right between the two of them.

1755
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:57,359
>> The commercial, would they be able to go

1756
01:03:57,359 --> 01:03:59,520
through the How does that work with the

1757
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,559
masonry? Well, I guess you you could

1758
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:05,200
still put a road through the commercial

1759
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,000
and the residential and then just

1760
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,440
>> the concept plan would have to be

1761
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,119
changed. Yes. For that to happen.

1762
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:12,319
>> Yeah.

1763
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:13,440
>> And that's approved by planning

1764
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,799
commission. Yeah.

1765
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:17,920
>> Uh in this case, it would be a

1766
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,359
subdivision that the planning commission

1767
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:22,240
would approve. Yes.

1768
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,240
>> I have one question or possible request

1769
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:25,760
from Chief Johnson. Would it be an

1770
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:26,960
appropriate time here in the next month

1771
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,200
or two to do a traffic study over there

1772
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,799
by the park? Bri said that there was a

1773
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:33,119
lot of speeding and maybe it'll be a

1774
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:34,319
good reminder for high school.

1775
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:35,920
>> Yeah, we can get our traffic trailer up

1776
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:36,400
there

1777
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,039
>> and see if there's anything we need to

1778
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,039
do in addition to that.

1779
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:42,960
>> There's one on Third West that slows me

1780
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,319
down every time.

1781
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:45,680
>> That one's getting moved to a different

1782
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,640
location, but still maintain your speed

1783
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,400
there, please.

1784
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,400
Now, heads up, Bri, that means there's

1785
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,079
going to be some tickets issued in your

1786
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:55,280
neighborhood, and it's probably going to

1787
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,200
be your neighbors that get the tickets.

1788
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,079
That's just how it usually goes. But,

1789
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:01,520
>> okay, your neighbors,

1790
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,200
>> that's what they always say.

1791
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,720
>> Perfect. Jared, if the developers uh

1792
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,799
amendable to this, as they're putting in

1793
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:10,480
the improvements on the east side of the

1794
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,839
road, um if we can take advantage of the

1795
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:15,760
mobilization and of the project that's

1796
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,359
happening to at least develop to the

1797
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:23,839
curb um on the west side and and pay the proportionate cost again that if

1798
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:25,520
they're amendable to that, we let's look

1799
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,039
at at doing that perhaps all at once.

1800
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:30,000
It'll be a little bit more of a

1801
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,839
headache, but it will be a little bit

1802
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:33,359
less of a headache in the in the long

1803
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:34,240
term.

1804
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,160
>> Yeah, if you'll work with the developer

1805
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:36,880
on that.

1806
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,480
>> That's a great idea. You got a you got a

1807
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,160
road crew out there improving the road.

1808
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,400
Why not improve both sides of it when we

1809
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:42,960
>> go to sleep?

1810
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,920
>> Got it uh got it planned to do it and

1811
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,920
not disrupt people too too much. I think

1812
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,920
that's a great recommendation.

1813
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,799
>> Mayor, I got one more question

1814
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:54,880
>> towards I guess city staff and the

1815
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,960
applicant. One of the concerns that was

1816
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,200
brought up and if if I lived where the

1817
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:00,880
Bazgarss lived, this would be a concern

1818
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,520
of mine as well. How do we make sure

1819
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,000
other than the developer saying, "I'm

1820
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,240
not going to do it," that lights don't

1821
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,240
end up in windows while people are

1822
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:16,390
waiting in drive-throughs.

1823
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:17,760
We don't have anything in our zoning

1824
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,599
code necessary that would require some

1825
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:21,280
of the things you typically would see to

1826
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,079
screen headlights. BMS a lot of times

1827
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:25,680
with some type of vegetation on top of

1828
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,440
them uh is used along the perimeter of a

1829
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,079
project where you have cues for

1830
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:33,440
drive-throughs and that type of thing

1831
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,280
where it could be a problem. Um so we

1832
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,559
could amend the zoning code to include

1833
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:43,200
requirements for that type of a thing.

1834
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,960
You could maybe um have this applicant

1835
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,640
enter into some type of an agreement to

1836
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,640
do that sort of a thing. You could take

1837
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:51,920
them at their word that they're going to

1838
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,880
do it voluntarily. Um

1839
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,799
>> would Sorry, Dave. Would the planning

1840
01:06:56,799 --> 01:06:59,680
commission see their plan as far as

1841
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,599
drive-thru layouts and everything before

1842
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:04,880
it gets approved?

1843
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,880
>> Not if the zoning is changed.

1844
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,359
>> Then they're just ready to go. Once once

1845
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:10,960
the zoning's changed, they're

1846
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,160
commercial. they can start building. And

1847
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,079
>> if you want, you could make a motion,

1848
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:17,760
you could make a one of the conditions

1849
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:18,640
subject to

1850
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:19,599
>> so

1851
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:21,200
>> um

1852
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,960
especially if the if the applicant is

1853
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,200
willing to enter into that, then it's a

1854
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,640
part of the the the approval and I think

1855
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,079
is legally binding. Um and that I think

1856
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,240
what Dave is suggesting is that that

1857
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,480
they take care of that through the

1858
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,319
landscaping and that gets installed. It

1859
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:39,440
might take a year or two for that to

1860
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,119
grow to the right height, but in the

1861
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:42,960
long term it would be taken care of. Is

1862
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,480
that what you're suggesting?

1863
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,400
>> That's a pretty common way to

1864
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,359
>> to address that.

1865
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:50,079
>> Okay. You any concern? Yeah, I'd love to

1866
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:51,200
hear your thoughts.

1867
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,079
>> Um, yeah. So, I'm actually surprised

1868
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:56,160
that's not in the code already. That's

1869
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,760
uh sort of typical for us. We we try to

1870
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,440
screen all of our drive-throughs through

1871
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,680
a combination of um uh bushes, hedges,

1872
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,839
and and BMS. It sounds like um that the

1873
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:12,079
Spanish Fork Parkway cross-section

1874
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:15,039
there's a bit of landscaping between the

1875
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:16,880
trail and the road. So, and they were

1876
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,159
talking about there being a burm in

1877
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:19,920
another part. So, maybe that's a

1878
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,600
possibility to get it along a lot of

1879
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,719
that frontage.

1880
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:25,040
>> Um also, if you'll notice, we try to lay

1881
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:26,880
out our access points kind of in between

1882
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,199
the houses to make sure that we're not

1883
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:30,560
shining headlights into anybody's

1884
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,400
windows. But, yeah, that's that's pretty

1885
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,920
standard. And um even if it's not in the

1886
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,920
code that it's going to show up on our

1887
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,319
landscape plans. Um it sounds like site

1888
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,159
plan approval doesn't go through uh

1889
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:43,359
planning commission

1890
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:44,719
>> DRC.

1891
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:46,960
>> Okay. Um that's typically when you know

1892
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,040
we're held to it, but it'll go through

1893
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:50,960
staff and they'll see what we're

1894
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,920
planning on doing there.

1895
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:54,719
>> Okay. Thank you.

1896
01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:56,799
>> Thank you. I think it's smart to if you

1897
01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:57,759
want it put it.

1898
01:08:57,759 --> 01:08:59,120
>> Yeah. put us and mention it

1899
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,799
>> out of condition of some screening for

1900
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:02,799
lighting in the drive drive-throughs.

1901
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:04,080
>> Would we put something about that

1902
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:09,600
intersection down on the B that side the right side of the

1903
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:14,550
plan if we wanted it there? Seth

1904
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:15,920
» I'm asking you a question if that's

1905
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,749
where it

1906
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:20,960
» you can put whatever you want in the

1907
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,080
conditions. If they're not legal then

1908
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,759
they become problem problematic. So what

1909
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:25,040
what's the condition you think

1910
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,799
>> I just want I want us to evaluate that intersection better especially with

1911
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:31,600
the school district and also with the

1912
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,319
more traffic coming there.

1913
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:34,880
What does that mean?

1914
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,640
>> What does that mean? Evaluate it. What

1915
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:37,920
does that mean?

1916
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,159
>> Study study the the intersection. Do a

1917
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:40,880
traffic study.

1918
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,239
>> You want the applicant to do that.

1919
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:44,400
>> Correct.

1920
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,279
>> We don't have a a

1921
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:47,920
>> Yeah, I think

1922
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,199
>> we don't have a we have a standard

1923
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:50,880
cross-section for both roads

1924
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,359
>> that make an intersection. What in

1925
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:54,800
addition to that would you want

1926
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,120
>> a signaled crosswalk something?

1927
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,640
>> I think that would be on us. I don't

1928
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,280
think there are nine subdivision it

1929
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,080
would be

1930
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,400
>> no way that the Yeah, they're driving.

1931
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,719
>> So like we can do that then you just

1932
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:07,120
>> Okay,

1933
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:08,800
>> tell me what you are. We can evaluate

1934
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,640
subdivision or that cross-section. Yeah,

1935
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:11,280
>> that's

1936
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,239
>> that intersection.

1937
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:13,920
>> We're currently updating our master plan

1938
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,480
and I can pinpoint it to take a look at

1939
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:16,800
it.

1940
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,159
>> Thank you. Okay,

1941
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:19,360
>> perfect.

1942
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,040
Thank you for those

1943
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,280
recommendations. Good questions. Uh,

1944
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,280
thank you public for the questions there

1945
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,600
as well. If there's no other further

1946
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,760
questions for staff of the applicant,

1947
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,400
I'd entertain a motion for 7.2.

1948
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,840
>> I'll make a motion. I move the I move to

1949
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,520
approve the proposed Hollowac Acres

1950
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,280
commercial zone change based on the

1951
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,360
following findings. One, that the

1952
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,280
proposal is consistent with the city's

1953
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,280
general plan land use designation of

1954
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,920
commercial. Two, that the proposal will

1955
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,080
provide for commercial uses at an

1956
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,679
important and highly visible

1957
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:54,159
intersection. Three, that the proposal

1958
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,000
will enhance commercial uses and

1959
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,280
services in the area. And four, that the

1960
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,360
proposal will promote conveniently

1961
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,239
located commercial uses and services

1962
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:07,679
with an added condition that screening

1963
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:11,760
for headlights in the drive-thrus be

1964
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,719
evaluated during the site plan with the

1965
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:16,960
DRC.

1966
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,640
Second

1967
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,960
>> motion made by Councilman Oiler, second

1968
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,719
by Councilwoman Beck. Any questions on

1969
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:23,280
the motion?

1970
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,400
>> Yes, I have one. Okay.

1971
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,760
>> Can I

1972
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,760
>> add a a motion of my own? Can I What is

1973
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:30,320
my motion?

1974
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,840
>> It's called a friendly amendment if you

1975
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:32,159
like.

1976
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:33,360
>> Friendly amendment.

1977
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,480
>> Depends.

1978
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,800
>> It's super friendly. Let me just tell

1979
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,000
you and then we'll talk about it. Can we

1980
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:38,320
do that?

1981
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,040
>> Yeah, sure.

1982
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,800
>> Um I don't believe the number one is

1983
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,159
correct. I don't think that it is

1984
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:43,840
consistent with the general plan. it

1985
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,840
doesn't it's not gerine to the approval

1986
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,920
of this and I would suggest striking it

1987
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,000
and then the the last I would say let's

1988
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,960
put a uh a finding that although we've

1989
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,000
talked about it and the applicant has

1990
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,520
said they'll do it that they complete

1991
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,520
the entire length of the property on or

1992
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,280
the entire length of yeah the property

1993
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,560
on on Parkway in one phase.

1994
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,640
>> Okay.

1995
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,239
>> Are you amendable to that friendly

1996
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:06,800
amendment?

1997
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,400
>> I am. Von, do you want me to include

1998
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,480
those in my motion or is that clear what

1999
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:11,920
he's asked? Yeah, I would definitely

2000
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,480
make it on the record. So striking the

2001
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:16,719
finding one and adding a additional

2002
01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:19,520
condition that the full length of the

2003
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,960
parkway be

2004
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,880
>> correct. So I would add to my motion the

2005
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,920
friendly suggestion to strike finding

2006
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,480
number one and to add an additional

2007
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:32,960
condition that the full improvements

2008
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,239
along Spanish Fork Parkway be done or

2009
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:38,880
completed in one phase. and I will

2010
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,880
continue with my friendly second.

2011
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,480
>> Perfect. Thank you for the

2012
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:44,640
>> We have an amended motion and the second

2013
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,239
to that amendment. Any questions on

2014
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:47,360
that?

2015
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:48,800
>> Okay, this is a roll call vote.

2016
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,640
Councilman Tuk, yes. Councilman Carden,

2017
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:51,840
yes. Councilman Oiler, yes.

2018
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:52,719
>> Councilwoman Beck,

2019
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:52,960
>> yes.

2020
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:53,920
>> And Councilman Marshall,

2021
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:54,880
>> yes.

2022
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:55,280
>> Perfect.

2023
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:55,920
>> Thanks, C.

2024
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:56,800
>> 7.2,

2025
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:57,679
>> thank you all.

2026
01:12:57,679 --> 01:12:59,360
>> Is approved. Again, I appreciate

2027
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,600
everybody's involvement in u the

2028
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,679
applicant as well.

2029
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:06,480
Okay. Uh 7.3. We'll get to the the next

2030
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,199
public hearing that u uh that I think

2031
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:12,080
everybody's here for. Uh 7.3. I think

2032
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,800
the applicants here. Um this is an

2033
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,719
ordinance to amend title 15 to define

2034
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:18,640
and create requirements for data centers

2035
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,800
and facilities, generate their own

2036
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,199
electricity. The this proposal has been

2037
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:24,880
put forth by Valition, a company that

2038
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,320
would like to construct a data center in

2039
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,000
Spanish Fork. Valition's proposal has

2040
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,000
been updated to incorporate

2041
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,600
>> recommendations made by the planning

2042
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,960
commission. While the planning

2043
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,719
commission recommended the proposal be

2044
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:36,239
modified, the commission also failed to

2045
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:37,600
make a positive recommendation on the

2046
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,920
proposal. A motion to recommend approval

2047
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,320
failed to pass with a three to three tie

2048
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,080
vote. Uh Dave, I think I'll I'll pass it

2049
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,120
off uh to you uh or your staff to start

2050
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,120
off before the applicant Ron's right

2051
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,480
there. Before the applicant comes up, um

2052
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,040
I guess the uh the reminder here is we

2053
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,320
do have uh now the sign up that's been

2054
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,640
sent out. Let's do let's do it after the

2055
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:03,280
presentation.

2056
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,120
>> So I would encourage maybe the public

2057
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,000
that's here um this is the part to

2058
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,239
listen to these maybe the maybe the

2059
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:13,040
presentation either by some of the staff

2060
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,560
or uh by the applicant um might have

2061
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,360
some answers to questions you you you

2062
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,719
have uh there uh there's also been three

2063
01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:25,040
open houses that there were a lot of

2064
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,520
questions asked and answered as well. So

2065
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,040
listen uh to to this part of it. Maybe

2066
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,280
it'll help answer some questions you you

2067
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,760
possibly came with. But uh if not, we'd

2068
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:36,880
love to hear from you in the public

2069
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,360
hearing section of it as well. Mr. Von

2070
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,679
H. Pale

2071
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:45,679
>> Herbert. Um, I'll introduce the text of

2072
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:47,679
the the amendment that those that's been

2073
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:50,239
applied for and then I'll go through the

2074
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,719
major, you know, the legal parts of that

2075
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:54,960
and then it'll be appropriate, I think,

2076
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,880
to turn the time to the applicant to

2077
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,800
explain their application and then your

2078
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,360
public hearing as you mentioned. Um, so

2079
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,920
the application is is to amend the text

2080
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,600
of our zoning ordinance, our land use

2081
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,199
ordinance in three main parts. Um, and

2082
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:10,640
scroll down, you'll see it in your

2083
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,800
agenda packet there that most of the

2084
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,239
text is in blue, and that's because

2085
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:15,920
that's what was requested by the

2086
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,040
applicant. The red lines are from either

2087
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,040
staff recommendations or the planning

2088
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,719
commission uh motion that they made. So,

2089
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:27,280
first part is definitions. They they

2090
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,600
define data center, which we don't have

2091
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,880
a definition today for an energy storage

2092
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,880
system, which is affiliated with the

2093
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,520
data center. uh controlled emission

2094
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,120
generation which is a emission gener

2095
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,840
emission excuse me power generation up

2096
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,159
to a certain level of of emissions and

2097
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:48,480
then there's ultra low uh emission

2098
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,960
generation as well and then the general

2099
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,360
definition of on-site power generation.

2100
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,360
So after we get the definitions, if you

2101
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,159
scroll a little bit further, we come to

2102
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:01,280
the the uses that are allowed in the I1

2103
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,239
zone. And so it lists their data center.

2104
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:06,400
You can see the addition of the staff

2105
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,600
and the that to require it to be an

2106
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,480
on-site power generation facility as

2107
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,560
well. So it's not just data centers

2108
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,040
generally, but only a data center that

2109
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,800
has that on-site power generation

2110
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,080
component. Um, and then the definition

2111
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,640
or the use of on-site power generation

2112
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,560
facilities. So, those two would be

2113
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,480
>> So, Von can ask it. Can we ask questions

2114
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,000
as it's going or you want me to wait?

2115
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,440
>> Wait just a second.

2116
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:31,840
>> Okay.

2117
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:32,719
>> Write it down.

2118
01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:33,280
>> Yeah, sure.

2119
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,000
>> Oh, forget. Okay, I'll write it down.

2120
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:40,080
>> Um, let's see. Where are we?

2121
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,920
Okay. And then the next section is the

2122
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,159
supplementary rec regulations. Those are

2123
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,000
the standards and regulations that apply

2124
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,440
to on-site power generation facilities.

2125
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:52,960
Scroll just a bit more. Well, the first

2126
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,960
um purpose the applicability it's etc.

2127
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,040
In applicability there's that limitation

2128
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,880
that the planning commission imposed

2129
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,920
that have a maximum of 500 megawws which

2130
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,880
is of generation capacity which they

2131
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,960
call it name plate generation which I

2132
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:14,719
guess is the top rated productivity of the generation of those facilities

2133
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:17,280
under ideal conditions. They need a

2134
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,719
buffer above and beyond what they

2135
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:21,520
actually will be using um for redundancy

2136
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,920
and and to be able to service their

2137
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,360
equipment and so on. Um there's energy

2138
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,480
storage uh regulations that's there I

2139
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,719
think primarily to maintain an islanded

2140
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:35,120
operation which ensures the grid

2141
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,960
isolation. Um again the electric

2142
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,640
isolation from the grid so that it

2143
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,760
doesn't touch our grid our city grid or

2144
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,320
any electric grid another provider

2145
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,239
another Rocky Mount Power or somebody

2146
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:51,360
else. Um there's regulations for noise

2147
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,199
limitations. Those are consistent with

2148
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:55,440
the city's noise ordinance for

2149
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:57,840
residential zones. Even though this is a

2150
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,440
industrial zone, there's a residential

2151
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:04,960
zone right next door to it. And so the standards for on-site power

2152
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,800
generation will be the the residential

2153
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,840
zones. They're they're lower at

2154
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,640
nighttime, which makes sense. Um there's

2155
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,199
an air quality section. If you scroll

2156
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:17,679
further, uh it would require them to

2157
01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:19,600
obtain the Utah Division of Air Quality

2158
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,640
approvals. Um again the there's the

2159
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,440
controlled emission um generation which

2160
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:30,080
is limited to.3 pounds of nitrous oxides

2161
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:34,080
per megawatt hour produced. And then

2162
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,600
there's an ultra low um

2163
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,440
generation as well and that's 007 pounds

2164
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:44,000
of nitrous oxides per megawatt hour

2165
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,600
produced.

2166
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,520
Then there's setbacks and screening and

2167
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,280
height section there. Those are

2168
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,320
consistent with the I1 zone. Also

2169
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,480
requiring walls and landscaping for

2170
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:56,000
screening.

2171
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,800
Um the water use is is detailed there

2172
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,440
and required to be a closed loop air

2173
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,840
cooled or dry cooling specifically

2174
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,239
prohibiting evaporative or once through

2175
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:10,159
cooling. Um, moving further, there is

2176
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,960
other regulations for wastewater

2177
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,880
discharge and decommissioning of of the

2178
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,640
facility once once they're done with

2179
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,400
their project. Um, so that is what's

2180
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,400
proposed. You can see the the red lines

2181
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,280
there. There's one more number 13.

2182
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:28,960
There'll be a citywide limitation. This

2183
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,520
is a planning commission recommendation

2184
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,440
um that there be no more than two of

2185
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:36,239
these uh self-generation

2186
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:38,560
uh data centers anywhere in the city at

2187
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,679
one time. Um

2188
01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:44,800
the staff reviewed it and made some

2189
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,560
changes even before sending it to the

2190
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,960
DRC or the planning commission. Um

2191
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,880
rather than allowing data centers of any

2192
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,520
type, we recommend modifying the text to

2193
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,840
allow only data centers that have the

2194
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,320
on-site power generation. The reason is

2195
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,159
that

2196
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,239
um to allow any other sort of data

2197
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:05,280
center, a grid connected data center,

2198
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,440
that would require a future legislative

2199
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:09,520
change. And so it would come back to

2200
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,000
city council to determine if it wants to

2201
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,040
make that determination uh to allow grid

2202
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,000
connected data centers. Um the planning

2203
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,560
commission held their public hearing

2204
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,320
that they added those two limitations

2205
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,960
that we discussed the maximum of two and

2206
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,760
then the maximum generation capacity. Um

2207
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,400
after that the approve the motion to

2208
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:36,000
approve the the data the text amendment

2209
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,600
that failed to pass that was three to

2210
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,920
three and so it advanced on to you but

2211
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,400
without any recommendation either way.

2212
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,480
Um, and though it's not part of the

2213
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,360
application or a requirement of our

2214
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,280
zoning or anything like that, the

2215
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,040
applicants also submitted a draft

2216
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,199
development agreement which I reviewed.

2217
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:57,040
It includes

2218
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,520
many of the same things and more, but

2219
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,040
the water cap, the islanded uh provision

2220
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,760
that there's no connection to any grid,

2221
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,719
no no allowance for exporting power that

2222
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:10,480
they maybe they generate more than they

2223
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:12,719
need. That's not allowed. no diesel

2224
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:15,360
generator backup, the noise limits again

2225
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,840
with acoustical analysis and and

2226
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,080
compliance reports. There'll be annual

2227
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,880
public reporting. Um, and that report

2228
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,080
will be a public record. Uh, the

2229
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,239
allowing the city to audit their their

2230
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:29,600
claims. You know, we can go visit the

2231
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,239
site and see and inspect for ourselves.

2232
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:34,880
Um also an annual economic report that

2233
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,920
would list out jobs and wages and taxes

2234
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,280
that are produced and the capital

2235
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,480
expenditures that they have made. And

2236
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,199
then with the decommissioning there

2237
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:46,800
there's a provision that they would

2238
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,440
provide a financial assurance for that they would a bond of of sorts that

2239
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:55,040
they would ensure that enough is there

2240
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,880
to decommission the facility when that

2241
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,679
time comes. Um, and what I was

2242
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:01,040
specifically looking for in addition to

2243
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:02,239
the stuff that's already in the

2244
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:03,840
ordinance were the remedies. It' be

2245
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,000
like, "So what? So what if a breach

2246
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,840
happens? What if the noise level exceeds

2247
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,159
or or they use more water than than the

2248
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,800
cap allows?" First is a notice and cure

2249
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,320
provision, which is typical for

2250
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,639
contracts. We give them notice you've

2251
01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:19,520
exceeded it and you need to cure it.

2252
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,520
That's that's step one. Then there's a

2253
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,560
stipulated damages for breach as well.

2254
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,960
um you know we could specify what the

2255
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,199
damage would be if if you have a water

2256
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:31,600
violation or a noise violation and so

2257
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,480
on. But more importantly for me I was

2258
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:36,400
happy to see that they included specific

2259
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,560
performance and injunction which are

2260
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,400
equitable remedies. The court can order

2261
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,800
them specific performance means order

2262
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,679
you to do X Y or Z. You must do this to

2263
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:47,600
come into compliance with your contract.

2264
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,760
Um injunction is kind of the opposite.

2265
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,600
we stop you from doing the court in

2266
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,440
order you to stop doing something that

2267
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:56,560
violates your contract. So those are

2268
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,239
great remedies in my opinion. We both

2269
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:02,239
have damages or or um money penalties,

2270
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:04,480
but we also have equitable remedies that

2271
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,600
the court can order. Um that agreement

2272
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,199
still needs to be finalized and will

2273
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:12,239
come to you at a later date. But uh

2274
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:14,719
again, that's additional and separate

2275
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:16,800
from the the land use application that

2276
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:17,840
you hear tonight. I just wanted to

2277
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,080
report that that came through as well.

2278
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,000
And finally, that the agreement runs

2279
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,960
with the land. It if they sell tomorrow

2280
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:26,960
or some some you know future owners,

2281
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,719
future um of the property would be

2282
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:32,719
required to buy by the same terms

2283
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:34,159
because it runs with the land at both

2284
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:37,600
burdens and benefits the land.

2285
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,159
Any questions?

2286
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:41,440
>> I should have just shut up because you

2287
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:42,320
did answer one of them.

2288
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,960
>> See, see, lesson learned. Um, but walk

2289
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,840
me through conditional subject to

2290
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,440
conditions.

2291
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:53,280
What does that mean? Who gets who's

2292
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:54,960
approving what? So, today we're talking

2293
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,639
about setting the rules, the limitations

2294
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:00,639
if if something like was this was to go

2295
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:02,880
in here. The the guardrails that would

2296
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,440
need would apply.

2297
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,600
>> Are we as a city council out at that

2298
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,800
point? If we approve this, we're not approving a site plan. We're

2299
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,560
not approving a data center

2300
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,080
>> anywhere. We're saying here are the

2301
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,320
rules to allow a data center.

2302
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,400
>> Exactly. Um yes, the the council would

2303
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,159
be out of that point. It would then a

2304
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:23,679
site plan application would come in

2305
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:25,840
which is an administrative action. The

2306
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,000
staff and the DRC specifically would

2307
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,159
review the site plan for conformity with

2308
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:32,000
these objective standards that would be

2309
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,480
set in the ordinance that is adopted.

2310
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:36,880
What whatever final version that takes.

2311
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,199
um it would be out of your hands even if

2312
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:40,719
it were a conditional use permit because

2313
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:42,639
then it would go to the planning

2314
01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:45,199
commission. Again, that's still in a

2315
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:46,639
administrative act. It's not a

2316
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:48,239
legislative act. They need to apply the

2317
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:51,280
same standards. Um but there's a little

2318
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,760
less risk of I'll say it this way. I

2319
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,080
don't mean to imply our commission would

2320
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,800
do this, but impose any arbitrary type

2321
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,320
standards. um because there's not a you

2322
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,520
know public meeting where they have to

2323
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,520
you know look at other concerns beyond

2324
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:08,960
what are in the ordinance and that's

2325
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,880
>> no more public meetings hearings.

2326
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:12,239
>> There would be public meetings but not

2327
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:12,960
public hearings.

2328
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,320
>> Okay. So it would go before the planning

2329
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:15,840
commission. The planning commission

2330
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,920
would say here's what they're proposing.

2331
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,400
It meets all of the all of the

2332
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,719
guidelines all the guard rails that the council put in place. You're

2333
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:25,360
approved.

2334
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,440
>> Yeah. You're talking about conditional

2335
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:27,679
use

2336
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:29,440
>> if it were.

2337
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:30,960
>> Oh, excuse me. I misunderstood.

2338
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:31,679
>> This current

2339
01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:34,000
>> uses subject to conditions would be

2340
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,360
applied by the staff through the

2341
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,199
development review committee. Okay. At a

2342
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:38,639
public meeting.

2343
01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:39,280
>> Oh, okay.

2344
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:39,920
>> Public hearing.

2345
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:40,320
>> Not a public.

2346
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,440
hearing, but a plug

2347
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:42,960
meeting. Okay.

2348
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,480
>> Okay. So,

2349
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:46,880
>> question. The importance of getting

2350
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,120
guard rails right is is a pretty big

2351
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:49,440
deal.

2352
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,040
>> Yeah, I'd say so.

2353
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,719
>> Okay.

2354
01:25:52,719 --> 01:25:55,750
Gotcha.

2355
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,360
Can I just confirm one thing? You said

2356
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,840
stipulated damages and that's not just a

2357
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,040
fee. It would also include where the

2358
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:04,719
court could come in and enforce

2359
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:05,679
something.

2360
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:08,000
>> Stipulated damages are the fee. So

2361
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,360
whatever we agree upon is is a right

2362
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,159
type of penalty to pay in dollars for

2363
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:15,920
violating the agreement.

2364
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,679
>> But there's additional remedies and they

2365
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:19,760
are cumulative. It's not one in place of

2366
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,440
the other. The court could order

2367
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:23,600
liquidated damages and injunction and

2368
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,440
specific performance. They could order

2369
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:26,239
that.

2370
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:27,840
>> But Von, you were saying that that's not

2371
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,440
currently spelled out yet. It is

2372
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:29,760
correct.

2373
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,239
>> Well, it was still to be finalized, but

2374
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:34,239
the nuts the key features of the

2375
01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:35,679
contract I was pleased to see were

2376
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:37,040
there.

2377
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,520
>> We may have some minor back and forth on

2378
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,800
those finalizing terms, but I was happy

2379
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,920
to see the remedies there.

2380
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,239
>> So, all of that though is in a

2381
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:51,440
development agreement. Yes.

2382
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:54,080
>> None of those rules. Some of those rules

2383
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:54,880
are in here.

2384
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,000
>> Yeah.

2385
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,520
>> But not all of them. Does the I can't

2386
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:58,800
remember. Does it say you will have a

2387
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,400
development agreement with exactly what

2388
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:01,600
you just said in it

2389
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,360
>> or we are

2390
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,360
>> do we get an opportunity to discuss what

2391
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:06,800
is in a development agreement then?

2392
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:07,840
>> Sure. You certainly will.

2393
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,719
>> So there is a decision by a body outside

2394
01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:12,400
of the permit.

2395
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:13,760
>> If the development agreement comes

2396
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,199
forward, like I said at the beginning,

2397
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,600
it's it's not a requirement of this text

2398
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,400
of this zoning. It's not a requirement

2399
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,120
um because you're setting what the

2400
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,520
administrative standards would be for.

2401
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:26,080
>> Right.

2402
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,760
>> But they've offered that.

2403
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,400
>> Sure. And and I think that I I

2404
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:31,840
understand what this applicant is doing.

2405
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,239
I'm thinking about more general if

2406
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:35,199
someone else to come in.

2407
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:37,520
>> Right. So So the point being

2408
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:38,960
>> you've mentioned already with the

2409
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,159
development agreement from what you've

2410
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:41,760
seen that there are things in there that

2411
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,639
are in addition to what we're asking as

2412
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:47,840
conditions. Does it make sense to take

2413
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,320
those things that are additional and

2414
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,320
actually make them conditions?

2415
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:53,360
>> Yeah, thanks Kevin.

2416
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,120
>> Or at the very least or at the very

2417
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,840
least one of the conditions be that they

2418
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,000
enter into a development agreement

2419
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,840
>> or Yeah. that way

2420
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,880
>> you add that as a second as another

2421
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:06,960
>> use subject to conditions that you

2422
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,880
consider that the applicant shall enter

2423
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,040
into a development agreement to further

2424
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,080
specify things.

2425
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,159
>> Yeah. Okay. Because what what I'm

2426
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,520
hearing you say is there are a lot of

2427
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:16,960
there are several things within that

2428
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,199
development agreement that go a long way

2429
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:21,360
to satisfying a lot of the questions

2430
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:22,400
that we have been getting.

2431
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:22,800
>> Yeah.

2432
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,719
>> Which are not necessarily addressed

2433
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:26,719
fully in our code.

2434
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:27,760
>> Yeah. Great point.

2435
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:28,880
>> Correct.

2436
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:29,679
>> Okay.

2437
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:31,360
>> Von, let me ask a question real quick.

2438
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:32,880
And Jordan, while you've got control, if

2439
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,560
you could scroll just below the

2440
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,360
definitions.

2441
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,360
Just want to get it other way.

2442
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:42,800
>> There you go. Oh,

2443
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:43,760
>> that's the end.

2444
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,440
>> Okay, I guess go up then.

2445
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:48,320
>> The uses.

2446
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:49,679
>> Oh, yeah. The definitions are at the

2447
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:54,480
top. So, yes. Thank you. Um down

2448
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:56,320
right right there. So, the first red

2449
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,600
line, the change uses subject to

2450
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,800
conditions. And then you've you've

2451
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,719
scratched out or lined out conditional

2452
01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:06,159
use permit, but then you've still got

2453
01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,320
the C153

2454
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,159
8 060.

2455
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:12,320
>> Oh, good.

2456
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,960
Um, right. Is that

2457
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,040
>> which points which points you to

2458
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:18,880
conditional use permits.

2459
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,560
>> That's my mistake.

2460
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,000
>> Just wanted to make sure

2461
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,000
>> the intent is correct to classify it as

2462
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,440
a use subject to conditions.

2463
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:29,270
>> Yeah.

2464
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,159
» Thank you.

2465
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:34,239
>> Any other questions for Vaughn?

2466
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:35,760
>> Anything else, Von?

2467
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,120
>> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mr.

2468
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:49,430
David G.

2469
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:51,040
I'm going to go ahead and say I plan to

2470
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,280
be brief here. We'll see how that goes.

2471
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,120
Um, this is a unique situation. It's a

2472
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,199
really unique land use that um, this

2473
01:29:57,199 --> 01:29:58,320
proposed text amendment would

2474
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,400
accommodate. And I think in light of

2475
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,480
that, uh, I owe everybody a little bit

2476
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,000
of an explanation at least as to how

2477
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,280
staff came to the conclusion of

2478
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,120
supporting the amendment that's before

2479
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,480
you. Um, I've been with Spanish Fork for

2480
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:12,800
about 20 years now, and this is the

2481
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,679
first time where a specific proposal's

2482
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:18,480
come forward with a type of land use

2483
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:22,000
where we formed a committee to evaluate

2484
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,400
it, and that's something that happened

2485
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,400
in February. That committee's met a

2486
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,600
number of different times. We've

2487
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,920
reported back to the council a number of

2488
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,280
times over the course of the past seven

2489
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,040
or eight months.

2490
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:37,600
Uh we've done homework to evaluate what

2491
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,560
this proposal potentially could mean for

2492
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,880
Spanish Fork City and for a local

2493
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:44,960
portion of the community, uh for

2494
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,639
neighbors and so forth. Um and I've

2495
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:50,400
appreciated the effort that everybody

2496
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:51,920
that's been involved in that has put

2497
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,400
into it. Again, it's unique. We

2498
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:59,840
understand that um the uh concept

2499
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,040
um as we've reviewed it has not been

2500
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,760
limited to the particular proposal that

2501
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,159
Valition has put forth. Um there are

2502
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:10,320
number of different groups that have uh

2503
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:11,920
made application with the city in

2504
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,280
various ways to pursue ultimately uh the

2505
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,840
prospect of building a data center in

2506
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,440
Spanish Fork. Um and for various reasons

2507
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,360
uh those different proposals at least to

2508
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,239
date have fallen by the wayside. Um some

2509
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:28,480
of them absolutely have been vetted out

2510
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:31,360
uh because of different um criteria that

2511
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,040
either the city can't meet or they

2512
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,679
can't. Um nonetheless here we are with

2513
01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:38,239
valition tonight being really the

2514
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:39,920
proposal that's led to this this

2515
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,560
particular text amendment. Uh some of

2516
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,560
the things that uh the committee and

2517
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,719
staff have focused on. We're very very

2518
01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:48,800
concerned about the prospect that for

2519
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,480
example Spanish Fork City rateayers

2520
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:54,800
would uh be impacted adversely by having

2521
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,000
a large power user tie into the power

2522
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,440
system in such a way that is Spanish

2523
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,840
Fork City's power system in such a way

2524
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,920
that um as has been the case in other

2525
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,960
parts of the country eventually

2526
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,600
uh residents power rates have gone up.

2527
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,320
Um, I'll let Jeff Chavez with Felician

2528
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,719
better describe how that doesn't come

2529
01:32:14,719 --> 01:32:15,920
into play with their particular

2530
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,239
proposal. We're very concerned about the

2531
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:19,760
fundamentals, the things that we hear

2532
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,400
about day in and day out in our office

2533
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,159
when development occurs, when new land

2534
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:26,159
uses come to town and neighbors are

2535
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,239
impacted. It's the fundamentals

2536
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:30,560
typically traffic is at the top of the

2537
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,719
list in terms of concerns that people

2538
01:32:32,719 --> 01:32:36,960
have. Uh, noise. Um it hasn't been often

2539
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,639
that we've been concerned about things

2540
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:42,800
like not excuse me odors or noxious uh

2541
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,120
emissions of different types. Uh but

2542
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:46,400
that is certainly something that's been

2543
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,480
part of the vetting that we've done with

2544
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:49,920
this particular proposal given the

2545
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,120
technology that um would be employed in

2546
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,159
accordance with the uh prescribed

2547
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:58,400
conditions that would have to be met for

2548
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,120
this to be allowed in Spanish Fork. And

2549
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,120
I could go on and I want to show some

2550
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,520
images and I don't in any way, shape or

2551
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,280
form mean to be flippant or to just take

2552
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,280
lightly the questions that are before

2553
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:12,639
the council tonight and some of the

2554
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:14,960
concerns that the residents of the area

2555
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,760
or the community at large have with the

2556
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,679
proposal. But there have been some

2557
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:21,199
moments

2558
01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:23,600
as we've looked into what Valition would

2559
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,880
like to do that really have have um been

2560
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,360
poignant. So uh Mr. Mr. Hails, if you

2561
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:32,880
could go to the next slide. So, uh

2562
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,600
again, Mr. Chavez will talk more about

2563
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:39,840
uh the uh self generation of power as

2564
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,760
he's proposing to do it. A number of us

2565
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:46,480
in April of this year visited various

2566
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:50,000
sites um where the particular type of

2567
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,000
fuel cells are manufactured, where

2568
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,320
they're in use. images here on the right

2569
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,760
side of the screen. Uh those are of the

2570
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,560
fuel cells in operation. You can you can

2571
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,880
maybe kind of make out that um they're

2572
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,600
next to an Enterprise Renaar

2573
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,480
in between that business and the

2574
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:10,239
business that uses the power that's

2575
01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:13,440
generated here. Um as we stood next to

2576
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:15,840
this field of generators, we couldn't

2577
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,480
smell anything. We couldn't really hear

2578
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:22,000
anything. and uh the co-orker or sorry

2579
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,080
the workers

2580
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,920
on their break from this company that uh

2581
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,679
again is using this power um you know

2582
01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:34,159
they they took their breaks right next

2583
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:38,320
to these fuel cells in operation. Um we

2584
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:39,840
didn't add the picture of one of them

2585
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,800
that was taking a nap actually but uh

2586
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,840
that really is what we observed here on

2587
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:50,480
this site in terms of uh the impact from

2588
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:52,239
that particular part of what valition

2589
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:54,719
will talk about in action. Uh more

2590
01:34:54,719 --> 01:34:56,719
recently we visited a site in Salt Lake

2591
01:34:56,719 --> 01:34:59,120
County. You can go to the next photos

2592
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,600
that we have there. Um wasn't anything

2593
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,600
quite as dramatic as what I just showed

2594
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,199
happening there. There's a group of us

2595
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:09,360
in front of a data center um that

2596
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,920
operates in many ways very similarly to

2597
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:13,520
what would be allowed in Spanish fork if

2598
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:17,199
the text amendments approved. Um

2599
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:21,199
the image on the left again that's right

2600
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:25,280
in front of the data center. If you did

2601
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:29,040
not quite a 180 degree turn from where

2602
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:32,400
we were there and looked to the north,

2603
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,080
uh you'd see a residential neighborhood

2604
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:39,360
right next door. Um that uh as as it

2605
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,840
appeared to me was not suffering any

2606
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,040
adverse impacts from having been located

2607
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:46,800
uh for several years now in very close

2608
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:52,000
proximity to um this data center. Again,

2609
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,560
that is not representative of all of the

2610
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,719
work that we've done to try to make sure

2611
01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:59,920
that um from a land's perspective, what

2612
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:02,480
Valition is talking about would not

2613
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:06,320
adversely impact the community. Um but

2614
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,239
uh again, we've done a lot more work

2615
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:10,400
than we ever have on anything else. the

2616
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,320
language of the text amendment with the

2617
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,960
conditions that are spelled out there. I

2618
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,760
think you'll likely see that it um it's

2619
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,000
atypical of what we have in our zoning

2620
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,199
code in terms of the uh level of

2621
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:26,080
specificity, the detail, the criteria

2622
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,159
and that sort of a thing. And those are

2623
01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:29,840
things that we as staff feel very

2624
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,320
strongly about. um we believe the bar

2625
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,840
needs to be very very high for uh uses

2626
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:40,560
like this for a data center and for any operation that's going to generate

2627
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,159
its own power like what's being

2628
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:44,239
discussed here. So uh just a little bit

2629
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:46,400
more explanation about how we got here.

2630
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,400
Um that's partly my introduction as well

2631
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,560
for valition. I'd be happy to answer any

2632
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,320
questions that you have for me or

2633
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,320
>> say questions for Dave before you go to

2634
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:57,520
the applicant.

2635
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,000
>> Just just one Dave just c just so we all

2636
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,280
can hear this. So, this one that you

2637
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,760
toured in West Jordan, just what was the

2638
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,199
size of that data center and then the

2639
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:06,239
one that you showed pictures of

2640
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:07,360
previously? What do we know what the

2641
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:08,880
size of that one was?

2642
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,239
>> I Mr. Chavez, I'll maybe leave that for

2643
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:14,560
you. I I would Yeah, probably get it

2644
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,679
wrong. Sounds good.

2645
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:20,000
Anything else for Dave?

2646
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:20,639
>> Thank you, David.

2647
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:28,550
>> Thank you. Appreciate it.

2648
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,960
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. and council. It's

2649
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:32,719
good to be with you again. Landon, just

2650
01:37:32,719 --> 01:37:34,000
real quick,

2651
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:39,679
>> um the uh the field of fuel cells where

2652
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:42,639
folks were taking naps represented about

2653
01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:47,360
40 megawatts of power. Uh Nova full

2654
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,080
campus runs about 300 megawatts of

2655
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,119
power, which is where we

2656
01:37:53,119 --> 01:37:55,440
uh where we visited just the other day.

2657
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:57,440
Um

2658
01:37:57,440 --> 01:38:00,320
it's good to be with you. Um,

2659
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,040
I maybe owe Dave an apology because when

2660
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:05,920
I walked into his office some 10 months

2661
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,360
ago, I I didn't know that, you know,

2662
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:14,320
we'd be here um dealing with such a

2663
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,560
hotly contested topic, but I should have

2664
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,920
known because the whole reason why we

2665
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:21,600
engaged

2666
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,239
uh as a company was to address the hotly

2667
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:30,560
contested concerns about data centers.

2668
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,280
Um, I think it's important for us to to

2669
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:37,280
stress that that is our history. That's

2670
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,239
where we came from. We focused on

2671
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:42,239
different ways to build power because we

2672
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:43,840
were concerned about what was going on

2673
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,560
with the grid. We were concerned about

2674
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,760
rates going up all around the country.

2675
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,639
And so our initial work was in building

2676
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:54,639
finding ways to build on-site power

2677
01:38:54,639 --> 01:38:57,280
solutions that would give

2678
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,760
businesses and consumers a lower price,

2679
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,199
a fixed rate so it wouldn't go up.

2680
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:05,679
Uh we were really horrified by the

2681
01:39:05,679 --> 01:39:08,880
amount of water that data centers have

2682
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,400
really gotten away with scot-free for

2683
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,000
decades

2684
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:17,280
um in really poorly designed facilities

2685
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,199
that nobody was paying attention to for

2686
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:23,679
a really long time.

2687
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:26,080
So that's really the genesis of this

2688
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:29,920
company. And part of our conversation in

2689
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,800
the city has been um

2690
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,560
it's I've really enjoyed it. Um the

2691
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,520
there's a few folks here that

2692
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,280
I feel like I kind of know now because

2693
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,480
we spent uh 10 hours staring at each

2694
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:46,800
other and you know talking about these

2695
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,840
good questions and it's been really

2696
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,400
informative and I think for me one of

2697
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:57,679
the most encouraging aspects has

2698
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:02,400
been um when when I look at like council

2699
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:03,760
meetings happening around happening

2700
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,920
around the country When I look at the

2701
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,560
absolute train wreck of a circumstance

2702
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,000
that the the those folks in box elder

2703
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,320
were forced to to deal with with this

2704
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:18,560
atrocious proposal and terrible process.

2705
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,199
Uh those dialogues um they seem to

2706
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:24,400
descend into a lot of anger um a lot of

2707
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:27,040
contention a lot of fighting and I have

2708
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,199
just been pleased that that has not been

2709
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:32,239
the case in our dialogue. Now, we have

2710
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:33,679
gotten a lot of interesting comments

2711
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:36,239
online and, you know, not everything has

2712
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:39,199
been, you know, roses, that's for sure.

2713
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:40,800
But

2714
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,000
it's been telling to me that in every

2715
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:45,520
meeting

2716
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,639
from the commission meeting to an update

2717
01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:51,679
previously at this council in our open

2718
01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:55,679
house meetings without fail

2719
01:40:55,679 --> 01:40:58,320
more than one person stands up and says

2720
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:01,040
something to the effect of

2721
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:04,480
I was totally against this.

2722
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:06,320
But

2723
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:10,480
if we can verify if these things are

2724
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:12,639
accurate,

2725
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:15,280
you know, I'm kind of open because I

2726
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:20,320
think we all agree that um if there is a

2727
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:24,239
major problem in some part of our,

2728
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:28,000
you know, our country, our cities,

2729
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,520
we welcome solutions. And I've been

2730
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,760
impressed and pleased that while there's

2731
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,280
a lot of opposition and a lot of

2732
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,560
opposition still and we won't win

2733
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,080
everybody over on this topic, I've been

2734
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,480
pleased that folks have been willing to

2735
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:48,800
just listen a little bit. Uh, one of our

2736
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:53,119
major um oh, you know, I don't want to

2737
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:54,719
say adversary, but there was one who

2738
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:57,920
stood up who's really really opposed.

2739
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,280
doesn't trust the process.

2740
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:03,760
But four different times when he

2741
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,920
continued to stand with his opposition,

2742
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:11,679
each time he began to preface it with,

2743
01:42:11,679 --> 01:42:14,880
"If this is true,

2744
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:18,639
you guys may have solved this problem.

2745
01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:20,320
So you better do this, this, and this."

2746
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:25,760
And came up again. Now, if this is true,

2747
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,679
this is pretty unique.

2748
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:29,679
maybe maybe this could be beneficial.

2749
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:32,159
So, I've appreciated people's

2750
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:36,080
willingness to hear and listen. Um, and

2751
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:40,000
I think our intent here is to continue

2752
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:43,600
collaborating as the slide indicates.

2753
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,880
This conversation is not over. Um, I

2754
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:50,719
also would suggest um

2755
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:52,560
I think it's important to have a little

2756
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:55,440
bit of a little bit of trust that it is

2757
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:57,199
true.

2758
01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:00,960
It's true that city councils can do real

2759
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,360
due diligence. It's true that city

2760
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:08,719
councils um can be honorable and not

2761
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:11,679
look for backroom deals and not make a

2762
01:43:11,679 --> 01:43:14,800
decision before the city has a chance to

2763
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:19,040
weigh in. I know without question that

2764
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:23,040
this city has not made a decision. I am

2765
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,520
crystal clear and I want the the

2766
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,800
citizens to know that this decision is

2767
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,320
not rubber stamped by any stretch. I

2768
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:33,520
think it's important for people to

2769
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,159
understand this that there are some good

2770
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:38,560
councils and cities out here still who

2771
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,880
do things the right way and this is one

2772
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:44,159
of them. Um I think it's important for

2773
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:46,159
people to have a little bit of trust

2774
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:50,239
that perhaps some companies can move

2775
01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:53,119
forward with good intentions also. We we

2776
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,679
are one of those and that's why we have

2777
01:43:55,679 --> 01:44:00,320
had no interest in rushing or pushing or

2778
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:01,840
hiding

2779
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,719
uh but in fact to take the time that we

2780
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:07,679
need to open

2781
01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:11,360
every conversation, every question and

2782
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,199
to address those the best we can and we

2783
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:14,960
can't answer every question. And this

2784
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:18,159
proposal is not 100% perfect. Um, but

2785
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:20,560
we're just laying it all out for the

2786
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,199
council and the city to consider. We're

2787
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:24,639
hopeful that this lands in a place that

2788
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:34,070
we can proceed, but it may not.

2789
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,239
I shared this u the other day. I think

2790
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:40,320
it's worth revisiting just to explain

2791
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,719
the foundation

2792
01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:44,639
um around how data centers are not all

2793
01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:48,880
the same and ultimately a data center um

2794
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:51,840
is a collection an outcome around

2795
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:55,679
decisions that developers make.

2796
01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:59,920
So a developer can choose to invest more

2797
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:04,000
capital into emerging technologies

2798
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:08,639
that do a better job. We talk about uh

2799
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:11,679
residents around the country who deal

2800
01:45:11,679 --> 01:45:16,639
with a hum, a drone, maddening. Um and

2801
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:18,800
it doesn't have to be that way. In the

2802
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,119
past, the equipment was so antiquated

2803
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:23,360
that that was kind of the outcome.

2804
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,560
diesel generators, large fans,

2805
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,520
um, unkempt promises. You know, there's

2806
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,920
a story of a city in New Jersey where

2807
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:33,760
they put on diesel generators and they

2808
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:34,960
said, "No, this will just be for

2809
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:38,400
backup." As soon as they got through the

2810
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,159
process, they turned those generators on

2811
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:43,040
and never turned them off. And so, this

2812
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:45,199
was before this was when people could

2813
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:49,440
get away with things. So we have made a

2814
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:53,760
choice to utilize the fuel,

2815
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:57,040
the power and the process

2816
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:00,560
that is most beneficial to creating as

2817
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:04,159
close to a sustainable operation

2818
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:13,990
as possible.

2819
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,600
We have outlined several times now um

2820
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:20,800
how our approach

2821
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:25,679
is designed to eliminate as much risk

2822
01:46:25,679 --> 01:46:30,480
for the city and for its residents.

2823
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:34,800
um while still providing a substantial

2824
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:39,199
net positive impact for the city and its

2825
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:42,159
residents. And so these there's these

2826
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:45,520
six kind of pillars really

2827
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,520
that we've gone into great detail and

2828
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,800
explaining um that first of all we bring

2829
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:52,639
our own power. We will never connect to

2830
01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:54,960
the grid. That's a big it's a big

2831
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,440
problem uh in designing data centers

2832
01:46:57,440 --> 01:46:59,520
that grid just can't handle it. And

2833
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,760
typically when a city says that they

2834
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:04,000
will accommodate

2835
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,119
um a data center with grid power, then

2836
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:08,960
the developer asks the city to pay for

2837
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:13,600
that to fit the bill. Um and so

2838
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,280
everything about pulling from the grid

2839
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:17,840
right now is sort of a really a

2840
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:22,070
non-starter especially whoops

2841
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,960
especially for us. So we do not connect

2842
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,800
to the grid. We use natural gas that is

2843
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,400
powered powering a fuel cell that does

2844
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,280
not burn the natural gas. There's a

2845
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,760
chemical reaction that occurs that

2846
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,480
creates electricity and the byproduct is

2847
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:44,560
heat and and clean water. So that is why

2848
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:48,480
the fuel cell when we get into the topic

2849
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:50,320
of air

2850
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,520
um allows us to produce power with near

2851
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:57,440
zero emissions. not zero but very clean.

2852
01:47:57,440 --> 01:47:59,679
We call it ultra clean as it relates to

2853
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:03,040
any particulate or smog that would come

2854
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,600
out of a traditional

2855
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:09,760
um fuelpowered system.

2856
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:14,800
Water is a major topic and um

2857
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:19,119
innovators have looked at the problem of

2858
01:48:19,119 --> 01:48:23,600
wasteful water systems and created uh

2859
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,719
the closed loop system that allows us to

2860
01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:30,159
fill um our data center cooling system

2861
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:34,320
one time about 500,000 gallons or two

2862
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:37,119
households equivalent

2863
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:39,040
and that's

2864
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,000
During the year, we need to use water to

2865
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:45,199
create humidity in the system. And that

2866
01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:48,480
is about 250,000 gallons of water a year

2867
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:51,040
or one household.

2868
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:52,960
So when we look at actually the water

2869
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,360
that's currently being used or allowed

2870
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:58,639
on site as is,

2871
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:02,639
we make no additional impact.

2872
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:05,440
We will never request an increase in

2873
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:11,119
water at any time and we factually will

2874
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:13,920
utilize far less than many comparable

2875
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,719
businesses uh that we drive past and

2876
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:19,760
utilize uh on a regular basis in every

2877
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,239
city in Utah.

2878
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:24,719
We have focused on making sure that our

2879
01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:29,119
noise impact is minimal. And this is a

2880
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:32,239
surprise because most data centers are

2881
01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:35,679
utilizing older antiquated equipment

2882
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:39,199
that are just loud.

2883
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,840
Our engineers have also worked on a

2884
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:45,600
variety of ways to shield and engineer

2885
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:48,639
on the property so that we uh suppress

2886
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:51,119
as much noise as possible. For example,

2887
01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:54,080
we're the first ones that we know of who

2888
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:55,920
have now engineered a way for our

2889
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:57,920
cooling system, which is the loudest of

2890
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,159
the components on the property to be

2891
01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:02,080
indoor.

2892
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,119
Nobody has done that before, but we're

2893
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:07,840
putting our cooling equipment indoor

2894
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:10,560
dramatically suppresses the amount of

2895
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:13,679
sound on property.

2896
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:17,920
Our equipment is low heat. We capture

2897
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:21,360
and reuse as much heat as as we possibly

2898
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,000
can and we can demonstrate that the

2899
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:27,040
expected amount of increased heat on

2900
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:33,280
property is modest and the near impact

2901
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,679
talking less than a quarter mile half a

2902
01:50:35,679 --> 01:50:39,679
mile off site is um an iniccernable

2903
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:43,440
amount of additional heat less than less

2904
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:45,360
than a degree in a very short period of

2905
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,600
time. What's interesting also when we

2906
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,119
talk about this property, and we'll get

2907
01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:51,679
into this, um, it happens to be in a

2908
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:54,239
location that actually complements our

2909
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:56,639
desire to decrease sound and decrease

2910
01:50:56,639 --> 01:50:58,800
heat because of its positioning at the

2911
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:02,400
mouth of the canyon and a constant flow

2912
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:04,239
of wind.

2913
01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:06,639
And finally, we've gone into detail

2914
01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:08,800
about uh the substantial community

2915
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:14,000
benefits um that we think um if a

2916
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,119
community has an opportunity to uh have

2917
01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:20,480
a substantial financial impact for

2918
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:22,800
programs for infrastructure

2919
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,560
combined with a company like ours who

2920
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:27,040
will contribute a portion of our actual

2921
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,080
income to going above and beyond in

2922
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,560
local programs.

2923
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:36,320
We think this ends up netting out to an

2924
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:41,830
overall positive for everybody involved.

2925
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:43,040
But I want to share with you a little

2926
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:46,400
bit about what the process has

2927
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:50,550
um helped us accomplish.

2928
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:53,520
We have fielded

2929
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:57,679
hundreds and hundreds of extremely

2930
01:51:57,679 --> 01:51:59,920
thoughtful questions.

2931
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:02,320
um everything around every one of the

2932
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:04,400
kind of pillars that I've that I have

2933
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:08,159
talked about. Um so much so we we have

2934
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:09,599
this is kind of what we're we're

2935
01:52:09,599 --> 01:52:14,000
referring to now as this Q&A bible of

2936
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:20,159
direct answers to over 350 questions. Um

2937
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:22,800
we already knew the truth about our

2938
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:26,480
equipment and about our outputs. Um but

2939
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:29,760
this helped us go even deeper. And so,

2940
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:32,400
um, I'm going to take a minute and

2941
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,800
actually go through some of the

2942
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:36,880
questions that have come up that maybe

2943
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:40,400
some have brought here today. Um, just

2944
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,639
to address some of the the deeper

2945
01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:44,960
questions that some folks here have been

2946
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:46,960
through a port a version of this

2947
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,440
presentation. This is different. Some in

2948
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:51,119
this room were not able to come to to

2949
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:53,520
the open house. So, I think that some of

2950
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,880
these answers will uh shed light on a

2951
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:00,000
few questions that um you know, maybe

2952
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,560
attendees are wondering about. Um so,

2953
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:03,920
I'm going to go through some of these

2954
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:06,639
quickly and then uh we're going to talk

2955
01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:09,920
about um the use of the property. We're

2956
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,000
going to talk about uh the text

2957
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:15,440
amendment um the development agreement

2958
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:17,440
um and then have a conversation together

2959
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:19,280
and hear from the community on

2960
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:22,400
additional questions and also um how we

2961
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,280
may consider proceeding together.

2962
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,040
Um

2963
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:28,960
in water

2964
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,840
we've been asked um does the cooling

2965
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:34,560
water evaporate into the sky? It

2966
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:35,920
doesn't. We're not wasting. It's a

2967
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,719
sealed loop. How much water do we

2968
01:53:38,719 --> 01:53:41,840
actually use? 500,000 gallons to fill

2969
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:46,480
250,000 gallons a year.

2970
01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:48,400
Lawns are going brown. Why does a data

2971
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:53,350
center get water that we don't?

2972
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,320
Our property has no need for extra

2973
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,159
water. It's a building that already uses

2974
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:01,280
about 15 million gallons of water a year

2975
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:04,000
just on its exterior. That's something

2976
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,960
that we will actually decrease. So,

2977
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:10,719
we're not asking or receiving any uh any

2978
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:12,639
more water that's than is already

2979
01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:14,400
allotted.

2980
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:16,480
Hey, will these people quietly take more

2981
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:18,639
water later?

2982
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:23,360
We we we cannot we will not we cannot.

2983
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:24,880
We have designed a system that's

2984
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,440
extremely expensive that runs on the

2985
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:30,080
amount of water that it runs on. Uh we

2986
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,239
would be fools to think that we could go

2987
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:34,880
through this process knowing somehow in

2988
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,360
the background that we really need more

2989
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,080
water and that somehow we would pull

2990
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:42,000
that off and and get that. We would be

2991
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,040
fools to invest in something that would

2992
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:46,960
require us to do some kind of bait and

2993
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:50,719
switch. So there is no chance for us to

2994
01:54:50,719 --> 01:54:53,520
quietly take more water later on. Are

2995
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:56,880
there chemicals in the loop? F PFAS

2996
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,520
these forever chemicals. There's nothing

2997
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:01,679
that we add to our water, no chemicals

2998
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:05,360
except for glycol that is a normal

2999
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:07,760
additive that we find in HVAC and in our

3000
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:10,960
homes and systems everywhere. Um, so

3001
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:13,040
there's no there's no additional

3002
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,520
chemical that goes into this into this

3003
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:18,960
system. There are trace elements of PFAS

3004
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:20,800
uh that you can't avoid because they're

3005
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:22,639
part of almost every structure that's

3006
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:26,880
built anywhere at the time.

3007
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:28,719
Where does the water go if it fails?

3008
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:30,239
People have been concerned that we're

3009
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:33,119
going to be putting water into uh into

3010
01:55:33,119 --> 01:55:36,159
the drainage system. Uh we won't and we

3011
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:38,000
can't. And if there was ever a time that

3012
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,800
we need to treat our system, we're able

3013
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:43,199
to block off portions of that system,

3014
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:46,080
pump the water into a tank, treat it in

3015
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:49,679
a tank, and reapply it into our system

3016
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:53,199
without ever having been disposed of or

3017
01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:56,560
offloaded uh in any nefarious way at

3018
01:55:56,560 --> 01:56:00,080
all. Um, can it contaminate our drinking

3019
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:03,199
water? No, because we never get anywhere

3020
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:08,320
near uh the city water system at any

3021
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:11,520
time. Power and gas. Will this raise my

3022
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:13,920
electric bill? No, we don't touch the

3023
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,760
grid. There's no way for us to impact

3024
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:17,760
it. Will it strain the grid or cause

3025
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:20,239
black hats? No, because we don't touch

3026
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:22,719
it. We're not connected to it. Is the

3027
01:56:22,719 --> 01:56:24,960
city or state paying them anything?

3028
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:27,679
Absolutely not. There are no waiverss.

3029
01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:29,679
There's no concessions. There's no

3030
01:56:29,679 --> 01:56:33,360
subsidies. We make no requests of the

3031
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:37,520
city for any kind of subsidy uh upfront

3032
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,320
or down the road of any kind at any

3033
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,320
time.

3034
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,880
How much gas will we consume every year?

3035
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:49,360
It's a lot. 14.9 million mm BTUs, which

3036
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,239
is basically expanding the natural gas

3037
01:56:52,239 --> 01:56:55,520
pipe to about 12 in. But we pull that

3038
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:59,920
gas from a wholesale a wholesale supply

3039
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:03,440
that in no way touches the residential

3040
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:06,239
supply already set aside for Embridge.

3041
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:09,360
We in no way compete what with what the

3042
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:12,080
residents already have allotted to them.

3043
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:14,159
Has anyone uh run a data center that's

3044
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:17,520
this big on fuel cells alone? Not this

3045
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:21,119
size with no grid.

3046
01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:23,280
What's important to understand there is

3047
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:26,639
that while that's the true answer today,

3048
01:57:26,639 --> 01:57:30,000
we um are leading the pack along with

3049
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,000
Oracle and others who are doing large

3050
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:33,679
deployments,

3051
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:37,360
Bloom has sold over $60 billion worth of

3052
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:40,880
fuel cell in the last 24 months that are

3053
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,760
all now part of various engineering

3054
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:48,159
projects around the country. Um, and so,

3055
01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:51,199
uh, we're ahead of the curve, but their

3056
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:53,520
technology has been validated for over

3057
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,440
15 years in hundreds of thousands of

3058
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:58,639
fuel cells. We know and our capital

3059
01:57:58,639 --> 01:58:01,199
decision makers know that this system

3060
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:05,040
will run um without without any hiccup

3061
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:07,360
because it's been doing so for 15 to 20

3062
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:09,920
years in a variety of locations. Um, you

3063
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:12,239
know, hey, why should we be first? Why

3064
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:15,040
should we be first? come back uh when

3065
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:18,400
it's something else. Um

3066
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,920
you know the the trade-off is that fuel

3067
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:25,679
cells today are going to admit um a

3068
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:33,599
third less of of carbon. Um there is a a series of events that have

3069
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:36,239
occurred that have brought us to this

3070
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:41,199
place. It happens to be that there is a great location here. And there's a

3071
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:44,000
part of it is just it it happens to have

3072
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:47,840
come together in this in this place. And

3073
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:49,679
you know, I think that if we're able to

3074
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:52,719
demonstrate that the that all of the

3075
01:58:52,719 --> 01:58:55,119
parts are going to bring a net positive,

3076
01:58:55,119 --> 01:58:56,880
uh we think it's going to be a great

3077
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:59,760
thing if this is uh the first place that

3078
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:01,520
you are able to lead out to see this

3079
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:04,320
type of technology running in place.

3080
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:07,040
Will there be smoke stacks? know what's

3081
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,040
permitted to come out of it. We're

3082
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:11,840
required to follow all of the state's uh

3083
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:15,599
permitted uses. We have initially been

3084
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:18,239
approved for this process to move

3085
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:21,040
forward. It's in the public uh comment

3086
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:23,920
period. Um but we expect that all of

3087
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:27,119
this will move forward without any uh we

3088
01:59:27,119 --> 01:59:30,000
will have met all the requirements. Um

3089
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,520
how does that compare to something I can

3090
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,239
picture? You know, I think um it's about

3091
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:37,119
the same as a regional hospital, for

3092
01:59:37,119 --> 01:59:39,840
example. Uh to give you some some

3093
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,159
comparison, the canyon wind blows right

3094
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:44,320
over our homes. Down we wind wind means

3095
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:49,440
us. Um the permutes permits total use um

3096
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:51,920
are everything that there is. It it

3097
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:55,440
could move it moves through the canyon

3098
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:57,840
uh without having any accumulative

3099
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:00,960
negative effect on anybody in in

3100
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:02,239
proximity.

3101
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:05,040
So we have continued to go through these

3102
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:08,880
hundreds of questions and um all of

3103
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:12,239
these questions around emissions have

3104
02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:14,239
continued to prove out that everything

3105
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:17,760
we're doing falls below any expected

3106
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:22,800
requirement noise. Um, all of our

3107
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:26,480
studies have proven and indicated that

3108
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:31,280
our decibel ranges are lower than what

3109
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:34,800
is currently emanating from the property

3110
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:39,920
today. Um and so when we are seeing a 60

3111
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:44,560
to 65 decibel at our boundary and 50 or

3112
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:49,599
less close at uh at at homes, this is

3113
02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:52,719
something that is a

3114
02:00:52,719 --> 02:00:54,400
imperceptible

3115
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,239
accumulation

3116
02:00:56,239 --> 02:00:59,040
um that blends with the existing sound,

3117
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,599
the existing decibel range that this

3118
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:06,239
entire area um is living with right Now,

3119
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:09,840
so we have continued to go through um

3120
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:12,000
all of the answers to hundreds of

3121
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,280
questions. Heat, where does the heat go?

3122
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:18,239
We've been able to understand that the

3123
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:21,040
heat that may accumulate up to 9 degrees

3124
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:24,000
on our property disseminates within a

3125
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,040
half a mile, quarter mile of less than a

3126
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:28,960
degree imperceptible

3127
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:33,040
amount of change. Um carbon emissions,

3128
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:35,760
we've gone done a deep deep dive and

3129
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:38,400
carbon emissions are something that um

3130
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:42,159
our system still produces

3131
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:44,880
um a substantial amount of carbon.

3132
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:47,199
That's something that is just part of

3133
02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:50,639
the way that this fuel cell works. But

3134
02:01:50,639 --> 02:01:54,080
compared to many other industrial and

3135
02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:56,320
commercial facilities,

3136
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:58,719
um, we still

3137
02:01:58,719 --> 02:02:02,960
fall into a category of

3138
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:04,560
it, it's debatable when you say

3139
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,639
reasonable compared to how people view

3140
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:09,440
carbon, but compared to what the entire

3141
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:12,800
city is emitting on a regular basis, um,

3142
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:16,159
you know, the carbon emissions are um,

3143
02:02:16,159 --> 02:02:19,440
within range of something that you would

3144
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:22,880
have put together in an industrial in

3145
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:25,440
industrial development. It's not the

3146
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:28,320
carbon emission piece is um not

3147
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:30,800
something that we try and defend it. we

3148
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:34,239
put the the amount out. And what our

3149
02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:41,270
focus really on is on the way that um

3150
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:43,360
the way that the emissions that create

3151
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:47,119
our smog, what we are required under a

3152
02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:52,000
permit to meet um we fall below all of

3153
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:55,199
those standard requirements.

3154
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:56,960
So there's an additional question

3155
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:58,639
additional questions that came in around

3156
02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:01,920
trusting the process. Um are we going to

3157
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,159
be able to increase the amount of

3158
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:06,400
revenue that we contribute

3159
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:08,960
um health and safety? Will it hurt my

3160
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:11,040
property value? What about lights at

3161
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:14,159
night? As we went through all of these

3162
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:16,480
questions, um, it brought us to a

3163
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,560
conclusion that I want to discuss in a

3164
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:21,280
minute about making sure that we find a

3165
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:25,040
way to allow the community to have a

3166
02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:28,000
view of all of these hundreds of answers

3167
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:31,920
to questions. Before we get to that, we

3168
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:34,960
look at the building and how we look to

3169
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:38,080
utilize this this facility. There's

3170
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:39,840
really three things to look at that

3171
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:42,880
comes to kind of a decision around the

3172
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:45,599
current use of this building, how the

3173
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:48,080
building would be used from a a

3174
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,360
potential buyer compared to how we would

3175
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:54,800
utilize this building.

3176
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:57,360
Currently, you have a warehouse. Um,

3177
02:03:57,360 --> 02:04:01,119
it's not it's not fully occupied. um

3178
02:04:01,119 --> 02:04:03,679
it's not producing

3179
02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:05,760
um a whole lot of emission, but you do

3180
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:11,520
have uh regular truck activity. Um

3181
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:14,719
they're utilizing um a property value of

3182
02:04:14,719 --> 02:04:18,080
about 51 million and they're paying a a

3183
02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:21,679
modest amount of annual property tax. uh

3184
02:04:21,679 --> 02:04:26,880
noise is between 50 and 70 dB as is and

3185
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,400
there's a substantial amount of

3186
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:30,960
emissions in CO2.

3187
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:34,000
A potential buyer could potentially

3188
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,000
utilize

3189
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:40,239
over 80 uh loading bays and distribution

3190
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:44,239
points that would dramatically increase

3191
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:46,639
uh the monthly truck activity up to more

3192
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:49,040
than 10,000 trips.

3193
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:50,639
um

3194
02:04:50,639 --> 02:04:53,440
they may be generating uh you know over

3195
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:55,520
a million dollars a year in annual

3196
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,840
property tax but there's a lot of

3197
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:00,080
emission that comes out of the use of

3198
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:05,040
that of that building in our use. We are

3199
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:10,320
dramatically less in emissions. We have

3200
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:12,639
at a certain point maybe up to 400

3201
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:14,400
employees operating out of this

3202
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:19,360
facility. our noise and traffic are all

3203
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:22,960
extremely modest and at the end of the

3204
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:26,480
day we end up generating a substantial

3205
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:30,400
economic impact for the city. And so

3206
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:32,159
aside from the text amendment that this

3207
02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:35,199
is about and looking at uh voting on and

3208
02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:38,480
approving at some point, um this is

3209
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:39,920
something that's substantial as it

3210
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:42,560
relates to just the current use of the

3211
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:45,040
building and comparing that against uh

3212
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:47,199
the risk of something that comes in that

3213
02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:50,400
has uh a lot of sound and a lot of

3214
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:54,159
emission compared to this use.

3215
02:05:54,159 --> 02:05:56,239
We mentioned that we took a trip up to

3216
02:05:56,239 --> 02:05:58,800
the Nova facility in West Jordan. So,

3217
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:00,960
um, this is a good example of, you know,

3218
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:03,760
a bit of a comparable. That building is

3219
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:06,800
on 100 acres. They're utilizing grid.

3220
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:08,480
They're utilizing turbines. They're

3221
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:12,719
utilizing some uh bloom fuel cell. Um,

3222
02:06:12,719 --> 02:06:15,280
by contrast,

3223
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:18,000
we're utilizing far less water. We're

3224
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:21,840
producing far less emissions. Um and

3225
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:25,199
this is a site that has been approved

3226
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:27,360
under the term of you know being a good

3227
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:30,880
neighbor and and we think that um this

3228
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:33,760
facility has proven to be actually a

3229
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:36,079
good neighbor and our design is

3230
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:38,800
dramatically more efficient. But kind of

3231
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,280
to the point about, you know, the the

3232
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:43,360
meeting that we we had there just the

3233
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:46,159
other day to visit, when we look at the

3234
02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:48,880
sound, this is just right outside of

3235
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:50,880
this building.

3236
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:54,960
Less than 50 dB. Um there's over 300

3237
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,199
megawatts of power running throughout

3238
02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:00,480
this throughout this whole facility.

3239
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:04,400
um right in direct view of cooling and

3240
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:07,440
fuel cell, we're still running under 60

3241
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:09,119
dB.

3242
02:07:09,119 --> 02:07:11,599
And the picture that we've shown before,

3243
02:07:11,599 --> 02:07:14,800
you know, you have homes in right within

3244
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:18,159
proximity that were there before this

3245
02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:21,599
data center was even built.

3246
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:24,719
We actually got curious about those

3247
02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:27,280
residents

3248
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:30,560
and Utah is weirdly the world of the

3249
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:32,800
land of going doortodoor. So we thought

3250
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:34,719
let's go doortodoor

3251
02:07:34,719 --> 02:07:39,119
and um we went door to door and spoke

3252
02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:42,079
with over 20 over 15 of the residents

3253
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:45,280
and we took them through a just a quick

3254
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:48,159
survey about do you know what's in the

3255
02:07:48,159 --> 02:07:51,760
building? um have you noticed noise?

3256
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:55,040
Have you noticed any exhaust, vibration?

3257
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:57,040
And asked them to those who were willing

3258
02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:00,320
to go on record and um give their

3259
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:03,280
feedback. These folks uh that we were

3260
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:06,719
able to talk to, each one said that

3261
02:08:06,719 --> 02:08:09,679
they're they don't notice noise, they

3262
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:12,560
don't notice heat, they don't notice

3263
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:15,520
vibration, they forget that it's there.

3264
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:19,280
And in fact, a little bit down the road,

3265
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:22,079
there is a type of distribution center

3266
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:24,960
and they actively um complained about

3267
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:27,199
the fact that they hear beeping noises

3268
02:08:27,199 --> 02:08:30,159
of diesel trucks moving in and out on a

3269
02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:35,040
regular basis. So, it it has been um

3270
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:37,760
useful to make sure that we are

3271
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:40,639
physically working to validate the types

3272
02:08:40,639 --> 02:08:41,760
of things that we're talking about.

3273
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:43,599
Another example, you've heard in the

3274
02:08:43,599 --> 02:08:46,320
news about Eagle Mountain. Um, they're

3275
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,079
in the news now because they're having a

3276
02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:51,119
tax problem. Um, but there's nothing in

3277
02:08:51,119 --> 02:08:54,159
common with that facility and the

3278
02:08:54,159 --> 02:08:57,119
facility that we are proposing to the

3279
02:08:57,119 --> 02:09:01,840
city. Um, this was a facility that uh

3280
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:03,840
the client asked for all kinds of

3281
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:07,520
incentives. They gave tax breaks. Um,

3282
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,159
and those tax breaks have come back to

3283
02:09:10,159 --> 02:09:12,800
haunt them. They have a much louder

3284
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:16,960
facility. They use much more water. And

3285
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:19,040
so it's important to look and compare

3286
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:20,400
when you hear about these other

3287
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:23,760
facilities in the state and elsewhere.

3288
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:25,920
Those that are producing these negative

3289
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:28,960
outcomes are not the same. They are a

3290
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:30,880
different design. They are a different

3291
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:32,560
structure and they are a different

3292
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:36,229
approval process.

3293
02:09:36,239 --> 02:09:39,589
This facility

3294
02:09:39,599 --> 02:09:43,599
will have a value on site of over$4

3295
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:45,840
billion.

3296
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:47,840
Um

3297
02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:51,679
that value will generate at least $40

3298
02:09:51,679 --> 02:09:54,880
million of tax revenue that is

3299
02:09:54,880 --> 02:09:57,199
distributed to the city, that is

3300
02:09:57,199 --> 02:10:02,310
distributed to the school district.

3301
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:06,639
That's a meaningful contribution to

3302
02:10:06,639 --> 02:10:08,960
a city that is growing, that has

3303
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:11,920
infrastructure needs. There are many

3304
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:15,679
scenarios where cities have have have

3305
02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:19,040
been dramatically changed for the good

3306
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:22,719
because of the financial impact that was

3307
02:10:22,719 --> 02:10:25,760
available to to the city. We are

3308
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:28,880
pledging an additional contribution

3309
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:31,520
um that we also think is meaningful.

3310
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:33,119
This just gives you a view of where this

3311
02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:36,079
money will land for the school district

3312
02:10:36,079 --> 02:10:41,520
over $490 per student. Um, as a benefit,

3313
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:44,950
it's substantial.

3314
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:48,639
We're the first uh company in the

3315
02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:51,679
country to dedicate a separate community

3316
02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:54,960
fund with a minimum of $500,000 a year.

3317
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,880
We think this will will grow

3318
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:58,560
substantially

3319
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:00,639
to work with the community directly in

3320
02:11:00,639 --> 02:11:03,840
building out a process where we can

3321
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:07,599
touch at risk youth and help in

3322
02:11:07,599 --> 02:11:09,840
addiction recovery, help in training,

3323
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:11,440
professional

3324
02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:13,679
uh education, helping people move into

3325
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:15,840
this industry to know how to find their

3326
02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:19,119
way into this new economy. And it's

3327
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:20,719
something that we're proud of and look

3328
02:11:20,719 --> 02:11:22,880
forward to to be able to contribute to

3329
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:24,719
the city.

3330
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:26,560
Our development agreement that we've

3331
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:30,000
referenced earlier, it it holds us

3332
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:31,440
accountable to everything that we're

3333
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:33,920
talking about. There is not a scenario

3334
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:35,920
where we can use more water that we can

3335
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:39,840
take from the grid. Um, we're we're

3336
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:42,079
creating really interesting enforcable

3337
02:11:42,079 --> 02:11:44,400
noise limits that will allow us to

3338
02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:46,719
actually have sensors

3339
02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:49,119
um within certain areas that will allow

3340
02:11:49,119 --> 02:11:52,639
us to on an annual basis or otherwise

3341
02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:54,800
have a a clear understanding of anything

3342
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:57,199
abnormal and then work to improve that

3343
02:11:57,199 --> 02:12:00,079
if we ever uh find that something is

3344
02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:02,960
off. We can do more. We can put up

3345
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:06,480
barriers. We can enclose equipment. Um,

3346
02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:08,159
right now we think we're at the a range

3347
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:09,760
that we meet all of the requirements,

3348
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:15,669
but we can improve it if if we need to.

3349
02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:19,520
The text amendment is necessary

3350
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:22,560
uh because it will allow us to generate

3351
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:24,639
onsite power right now. That's just not

3352
02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:28,480
something that the city um has provided

3353
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:30,960
approval for in a standard industrial

3354
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,840
zoning. And so within this text

3355
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:37,360
amendment, we have provided an amendment

3356
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:41,679
that ensures that we or anybody else

3357
02:12:41,679 --> 02:12:44,480
has to work under these same uh

3358
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:47,760
requirements around electricity use, no

3359
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:51,199
diesel, no wa no wasteful uh water

3360
02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:54,880
cooling systems, noise limits, um

3361
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:57,360
storage safety, air quality sealing.

3362
02:12:57,360 --> 02:13:00,560
These are all embedded in this text

3363
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:04,079
amendment so that whether it's valition

3364
02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:07,920
or somebody else is held to a standard

3365
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:10,560
that ensures that these systems are as

3366
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:13,119
close to sustainable

3367
02:13:13,119 --> 02:13:17,510
as possible.

3368
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:19,280
So as we get into the the text

3369
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:20,880
amendment, you know, this is these are

3370
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:24,239
really the categories that ensure that

3371
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:26,880
this is managed properly around water

3372
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:30,480
noise storage, uh capping, growth, uh

3373
02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:33,199
making sure wastewater is not in any way

3374
02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:35,840
utilized improperly, review authority,

3375
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:38,320
screening, decommissioning, power and

3376
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:45,350
air emissions.

3377
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:48,159
So, as we as we begin to summarize this,

3378
02:13:48,159 --> 02:13:49,920
um,

3379
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:53,840
the vote is really about

3380
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:57,440
making a change to the amendment. Um,

3381
02:13:57,440 --> 02:14:01,280
and it's not just about us or about one

3382
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:04,000
project. And there are still many hoops

3383
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:07,360
that need to be met in order for us or

3384
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:10,480
anybody else to proceed. We'll still

3385
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:14,560
need to submit all of our final site u

3386
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:17,520
engineering. We have to meet all of the

3387
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:20,639
permitting that is already required by

3388
02:14:20,639 --> 02:14:23,360
the state. We have to finalize our air

3389
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:26,880
quality. We have to meet all of the same

3390
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:28,880
uh strict requirements that any

3391
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,520
industrial developer would be required

3392
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:34,719
to meet. So this does not stamp us or

3393
02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:37,920
somebody else through to um to move

3394
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:39,760
forward in a way that it's not

3395
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,400
continually gated and monitored

3396
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:49,270
throughout the entire process.

3397
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:52,639
So as we kind of look at the timeline

3398
02:14:52,639 --> 02:14:54,320
um

3399
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:56,800
the statute doesn't compel any specific

3400
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:59,760
action tonight. Um you know this is sort

3401
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:02,000
of as we have gone through the the

3402
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:03,679
process

3403
02:15:03,679 --> 02:15:08,960
um we have submitted the the proper uh

3404
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:11,520
requests we've had the appropriate

3405
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:14,320
conversations together. Uh we took the

3406
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:16,560
extra step to go through these open

3407
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:19,199
house sessions. We think that was

3408
02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:21,440
unprecedented. We don't know anywhere in

3409
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:23,199
the country where a company has taken

3410
02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:28,000
the time to open this dialogue. Um but

3411
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:31,920
as as we come to this point,

3412
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:34,159
we actually would recommend to the

3413
02:15:34,159 --> 02:15:39,599
council that we be allowed to give more

3414
02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:41,840
visibility of when I when I talk about

3415
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:44,800
all of the answers to these questions.

3416
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:48,000
Um we would like to be able to make all

3417
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:51,760
of these available on our website. Uh we

3418
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:54,639
have a site that uh is for Spanish fork

3419
02:15:54,639 --> 02:15:57,199
only that kind of outlines this entire

3420
02:15:57,199 --> 02:16:02,079
process. Um we understand that we can't

3421
02:16:02,079 --> 02:16:04,800
answer all of these questions

3422
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:07,520
tonight. In the last three weeks, we

3423
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:10,159
have not been able to answer yet all of

3424
02:16:10,159 --> 02:16:12,400
them for everyone concerned or those who

3425
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:14,560
are paying attention and want to weigh

3426
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:15,840
in.

3427
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:19,440
Um, and we know that the city council uh

3428
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:21,520
is doing everything they can to do a

3429
02:16:21,520 --> 02:16:23,599
deep dive and get all of the information

3430
02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:26,480
they possibly can. So, our understanding

3431
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:28,800
is that this can be voted on tonight,

3432
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:37,120
but it could also be uh moved to push this to the next meeting. And I

3433
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:39,200
think our position is that we welcome

3434
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:41,760
more time for the city. We welcome more

3435
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:44,719
time for the council to continue to do

3436
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:48,160
their due diligence and we support that.

3437
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:51,280
So actually our recommendation would be

3438
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:53,760
um that after we hear questions from the

3439
02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:56,319
community, it allows us to continue to

3440
02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:59,519
capture those and and provide answers.

3441
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:02,880
Um that you may consider allowing more

3442
02:17:02,880 --> 02:17:05,359
time for the community to continue to

3443
02:17:05,359 --> 02:17:08,160
learn and and we want to accommodate

3444
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:12,960
that process. Before we open this up to

3445
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:15,439
some questions, I would like to invite

3446
02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:17,920
um John, who is one of the property

3447
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:21,439
owners, to uh just give a little bit of

3448
02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:25,200
feedback around their view on uh the

3449
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:31,349
potential use of this property.

3450
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:34,639
» Not John. I know John Bankhead, you guys

3451
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:37,679
are tired of me. Um no, I appreciate the

3452
02:17:37,679 --> 02:17:41,359
opportunity to be here. Um and I I think

3453
02:17:41,359 --> 02:17:43,120
the first time I stood in front of this

3454
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:46,240
group was probably four years ago and uh

3455
02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:49,760
that went fast. Um looking back at it,

3456
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:53,200
um I did want to just talk through our

3457
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:56,319
view of what Volition is doing and also

3458
02:17:56,319 --> 02:18:00,160
put that um I want to talk about the

3459
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:02,639
impact that it it could have on our good

3460
02:18:02,639 --> 02:18:04,800
friend partner Edge Holmes. As you know,

3461
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:06,800
we we worked with the planning

3462
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:08,880
commission and staff for a couple of

3463
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:11,439
years trying to figure out the best way

3464
02:18:11,439 --> 02:18:13,760
to develop this

3465
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:16,240
um a little bit of a unique site. It's

3466
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:18,240
got a lot of opportunity and a lot of

3467
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:21,679
challenges. And ultimately, we I think

3468
02:18:21,679 --> 02:18:25,760
did a by we I mean everybody. Uh the the

3469
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:28,240
staff, the planning commission, uh I met

3470
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:29,920
with them a thousand times. They're more

3471
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:32,639
tired of me than you are. Um, but we

3472
02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:34,800
ended up with an entitlement for 600

3473
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:37,120
homes. As you'll recall, we went to the

3474
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:40,399
legislature and got a $13.5 million uh

3475
02:18:40,399 --> 02:18:43,840
grant from the legislature to build the

3476
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:46,559
uh new interchange with a bridge from

3477
02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:49,840
Highway 6 into this overall property.

3478
02:18:49,840 --> 02:18:53,040
Uh, one that was a big connection point

3479
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:55,439
for the trail system to connect. It was

3480
02:18:55,439 --> 02:18:58,960
a big part of being addressing a

3481
02:18:58,960 --> 02:19:00,800
significant worry about the amount of

3482
02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:02,479
truck traffic that would be going

3483
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:04,880
through a residential neighborhood.

3484
02:19:04,880 --> 02:19:07,760
There was a significant concern which we

3485
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:10,080
did the best we could to deal with about

3486
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:12,479
the noise and that the proximity of an

3487
02:19:12,479 --> 02:19:15,760
industrial distribution or manufacturing

3488
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:18,800
facility close to homes. We worked

3489
02:19:18,800 --> 02:19:20,639
through all of that. Edge purchased the

3490
02:19:20,639 --> 02:19:21,840
property and they've started

3491
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:23,359
construction.

3492
02:19:23,359 --> 02:19:28,160
And so obviously we um as owners and

3493
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:31,200
partners with Edge on this project

3494
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:33,359
uh want to know what they think and that

3495
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:36,000
was a concern for us as well um of

3496
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,160
anybody that's going to be impacted.

3497
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,479
It's Whispering Pines and we've had a

3498
02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:42,960
chance to talk at length with Edge and

3499
02:19:42,960 --> 02:19:47,280
with and and they are very aware that

3500
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:48,960
they are building homes next to

3501
02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:51,280
industrial building. And in the last 6

3502
02:19:51,280 --> 02:19:53,120
months, my partner and I have been

3503
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:55,040
approached by multiple data center

3504
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:57,120
people. We've been approached by a

3505
02:19:57,120 --> 02:19:59,120
cement block manufacturer that would

3506
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:01,760
love to get another 12 megawws from the

3507
02:20:01,760 --> 02:20:04,319
Spanish Fork City and a lot of natural

3508
02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:07,200
gas and they would use a lot more water

3509
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:09,760
than we currently do. We've had uh

3510
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:12,560
people that want to come and enlarge the

3511
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:14,720
distribution center, add another 50 dock

3512
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,359
doors and and you know that would

3513
02:20:17,359 --> 02:20:20,240
increase the noise, the emissions and

3514
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:25,439
the number of trucks significantly. that not only would have a negative

3515
02:20:25,439 --> 02:20:27,680
impact on Whispering Pines, but two or

3516
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,600
three or 4 thousand additional vehicles

3517
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:33,120
on the road in Spanish Fork. That that

3518
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:35,600
spreads the emissions and the traffic

3519
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:38,080
and all that across the city. Now,

3520
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:40,319
that's

3521
02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:42,720
that that's not that's just those are

3522
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:44,399
some of the options that we have been

3523
02:20:44,399 --> 02:20:47,280
exploring. And so we have been really

3524
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:50,240
feeling lucky, if I can say it that way,

3525
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,800
in Edge Homes is feeling like this

3526
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:56,160
particular use in terms of its noise, in

3527
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:58,160
terms of trucks beeping, in terms of

3528
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:01,120
traffic going through that neighborhood

3529
02:21:01,120 --> 02:21:04,720
before and after the bridge is installed

3530
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:07,840
is a s, you know, this data center is a

3531
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:10,319
significantly better option than the

3532
02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:11,840
options that my partner and I have been

3533
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:14,000
exploring because we have a million

3534
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:15,359
square foot building and that's what

3535
02:21:15,359 --> 02:21:19,439
those things are typically used for. So,

3536
02:21:19,439 --> 02:21:22,560
we think this is a slam dunk

3537
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:25,520
for the city for what we've been through

3538
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:27,520
um trying to figure out a solution to

3539
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:29,439
this site and an opportunity for the

3540
02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:32,000
city. We can't think of anything that

3541
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:34,560
would give back more to the city in

3542
02:21:34,560 --> 02:21:37,120
terms of less impact on your

3543
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:40,080
infrastructure and citizens and more

3544
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:42,319
resources through property tax and other

3545
02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:44,800
things than any other use that Jeff

3546
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:48,880
Graasso and I can think of. So, are we a

3547
02:21:48,880 --> 02:21:51,600
land owner? Yes. and we we want to

3548
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:54,960
maximize the value for our investment,

3549
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:57,840
but we're not so not so blind to think

3550
02:21:57,840 --> 02:21:59,840
that whatever we do there has an impact

3551
02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:04,319
on the community. So, as I have been on

3552
02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:07,520
the sidelines watching Valition work and

3553
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:09,600
I know a lot about the technologies that

3554
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:11,680
they're doing, I put in Bloom Energy

3555
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:13,760
Boxes in the first Adobe building in

3556
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:18,479
2011 up in Lehi. Um, I just think that

3557
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:20,960
of the options that we're considering

3558
02:22:20,960 --> 02:22:24,000
and the options that Whispering Pines is

3559
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,880
going to be living next door to, we

3560
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:28,560
can't think of a better option. So, I

3561
02:22:28,560 --> 02:22:31,359
just wanted to get up as the the land

3562
02:22:31,359 --> 02:22:32,960
owner and as somebody that's concerned

3563
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:35,359
because we're partners with Edge and

3564
02:22:35,359 --> 02:22:37,040
kind of give our perspective that we

3565
02:22:37,040 --> 02:22:40,960
think this is a really great opportunity

3566
02:22:40,960 --> 02:22:43,600
in terms of pride and progress. We think

3567
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:45,439
this is a really awesome thing for

3568
02:22:45,439 --> 02:22:48,479
Spanish sport. So I appreciate your time

3569
02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:49,520
and letting me say that.

3570
02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:53,910
>> Thanks John.

3571
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:58,960
» Thank you John. Um so as I conclude um

3572
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:02,479
again I I just want to

3573
02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:04,080
emphasize

3574
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:06,960
um that

3575
02:23:06,960 --> 02:23:08,640
we've said from the beginning that we've

3576
02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:10,880
wanted to collaborate on this. I think

3577
02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:13,760
that we have demonstrated that that's

3578
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:17,280
genuine. Um, I think that we have

3579
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:20,640
demonstrated that the equipment does

3580
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:24,399
what we say that it will do. I think

3581
02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:27,200
that we've demonstrated that sound and

3582
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:29,760
heat are all within

3583
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:31,600
uh allowable,

3584
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:33,280
non-intrusive

3585
02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:36,080
ranges. I think we've demonstrated that

3586
02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:41,359
emissions are low. Um I I don't think

3587
02:23:41,359 --> 02:23:43,120
that we have said or tried to say that

3588
02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:45,920
everything about it is perfect, but we

3589
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:48,880
do think that compared to other data

3590
02:23:48,880 --> 02:23:51,920
centers, uh what we're doing is

3591
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:55,040
innovative and what we're doing is a

3592
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:58,319
solution to this national challenge

3593
02:23:58,319 --> 02:24:01,280
around the growth of data center

3594
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:02,880
infrastructure

3595
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:06,720
um and finding a way to do it better.

3596
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:10,560
Um, so I would encourage uh the council

3597
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:14,399
to really um continue to do the due

3598
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:16,720
diligence around

3599
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:21,439
what is best for the city at large. Um,

3600
02:24:21,439 --> 02:24:22,960
and we hope that you'll support this

3601
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:24,720
initiative as we continue to go through

3602
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:26,960
the process. So, we look forward to

3603
02:24:26,960 --> 02:24:29,439
continued uh questions and we're happy

3604
02:24:29,439 --> 02:24:32,560
to answer any questions now or later

3605
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:39,520
before we have uh any commentary from the residents.

3606
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:42,800
>> Thank you, Jeff. Appreciate that. Uh I I

3607
02:24:42,800 --> 02:24:44,880
think my council might have some

3608
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:46,960
questions for you and they might have

3609
02:24:46,960 --> 02:24:48,479
some questions for you after hearing

3610
02:24:48,479 --> 02:24:49,520
from the public,

3611
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:51,200
>> but they're not going to listen very

3612
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:53,040
well to the public if I don't use let

3613
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:59,120
some of them use the restroom. So, I I'm getting a message that I need uh a

3614
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:06,560
fivem minute break really quick uh and then we'd be right back in here to open it up for a public hearing. Uh

3615
02:25:06,560 --> 02:25:08,399
if council's okay with that, staff, you

3616
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:09,040
all right with that?

3617
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:10,800
>> Yeah. And while they're doing that, you

3618
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:12,800
comfortable if we put the QR code up, we

3619
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:15,520
can start having people queue up in that

3620
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:17,280
uh in that virtual spot.

3621
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:18,640
>> There's the good break. You can use the

3622
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:20,160
restroom with us. There's a couple in

3623
02:25:20,160 --> 02:25:20,960
the facility here.

3624
02:25:20,960 --> 02:25:21,920
>> People are going to use the bathroom.

3625
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:23,840
let these five use it first so that we

3626
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:25,200
can get them back.

3627
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:26,560
>> But there there is the QR code right

3628
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:26,800
there.

3629
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:28,240
>> Yeah, if you want to if you want to

3630
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:31,359
speak in the public comments and then

3631
02:25:31,359 --> 02:25:32,479
>> um

3632
02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:34,800
>> Jeff and John, you guys on the front row

3633
02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:38,080
there, that's our row for people to um

3634
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:40,399
to sit as they're queuing up to speak.

3635
02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:42,080
So Emily back there is going to grab a

3636
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:43,359
couple of chairs and she's going to

3637
02:25:43,359 --> 02:25:45,520
throw you behind Bronco in that black

3638
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:48,479
shirt there. If you'll just

3639
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:50,800
make that uh make that spot available.

3640
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:53,359
Yes. I move that we take a fivem minute

3641
02:25:53,359 --> 02:25:54,560
recess.

3642
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:56,560
>> Motion made by Councilman Oiler, second

3643
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:58,479
by Councilman Marshall. All in favor say

3644
02:25:58,479 --> 02:25:58,800
yes.

3645
02:25:58,800 --> 02:25:59,439
>> Yes.

3646
02:25:59,439 --> 02:34:58,710
>> Thank you.

3647
02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:00,240
Yes, ma'am.

3648
02:35:00,240 --> 02:35:03,200
>> Okay, Travis says we're ready. Still

3649
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:05,760
rolling here. And uh perfect. Thank you,

3650
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:06,160
Travis.

3651
02:35:06,160 --> 02:35:06,960
>> Oh, yes, he does.

3652
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:09,359
>> This is uh something I neglected to

3653
02:35:09,359 --> 02:35:12,880
mention. Spanish Fork City now is I

3654
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:14,960
don't know, Seth, would you say 30 plus

3655
02:35:14,960 --> 02:35:18,399
years of uh of you know recording our

3656
02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:20,319
meetings and we're on YouTube and it's

3657
02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:22,560
live and and uh that's something

3658
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:24,960
>> not 30 but 24ish.

3659
02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:27,920
>> Yeah. So, so pretty good stuff that uh

3660
02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:30,000
we've uh we've tried to to live in that

3661
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:32,319
space for a couple of decades now where

3662
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:33,520
hey, if you can't make it to our

3663
02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:35,600
meetings, watch them live and and we

3664
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:38,720
sure appreciate our SFCN folks and and

3665
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:41,600
Travis and Adam and and uh everybody

3666
02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:44,880
that Jared keeps us keeps us going so

3667
02:35:44,880 --> 02:35:46,560
everybody can be involved together. So,

3668
02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:49,120
thank you everyone. Um, I don't think it

3669
02:35:49,120 --> 02:35:52,720
needs uh rereading uh the the public

3670
02:35:52,720 --> 02:35:55,760
comments uh public hearing section. Um,

3671
02:35:55,760 --> 02:35:57,680
I think uh I think we can all just take

3672
02:35:57,680 --> 02:36:00,000
it to heart that uh part of what maybe

3673
02:36:00,000 --> 02:36:02,160
the applicant mentioned of Spanish Fork

3674
02:36:02,160 --> 02:36:04,240
is the Spanish Fork way. We're

3675
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:06,160
respectful of each other and and can do

3676
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:08,080
this in in a in a in a good way that

3677
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:10,399
we've always done in uh in public

3678
02:36:10,399 --> 02:36:12,319
hearings. So, make sure to keep to that.

3679
02:36:12,319 --> 02:36:13,920
Please watch for that three-minute

3680
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:16,240
clock. I do have some signups that have

3681
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:19,520
come in here to to speak. Um, but I am

3682
02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:21,280
going to switch it up just a little bit

3683
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:26,000
that Crosby is third on my list, but

3684
02:36:26,000 --> 02:36:27,840
she's got, I believe, a four-year-old

3685
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:29,920
daughter that's been a trooper with us

3686
02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:32,000
for a bit. So, we're going to have her

3687
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:35,040
come up first and uh have have her

3688
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:37,520
address us and uh and then we'll go back

3689
02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:39,040
up to the top of the list and work that

3690
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:41,520
day. If Jesse Anne Rail and Sarah

3691
02:36:41,520 --> 02:36:44,560
Stevenson are here, please come sit up

3692
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:46,720
here in the front as well. And then if

3693
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:48,720
you can uh kind of the way to do this is

3694
02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:50,479
if when we're done speaking, if we can

3695
02:36:50,479 --> 02:36:52,160
rotate out and I'll call up the next

3696
02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:54,240
ones so we can all sit up here and be

3697
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:56,000
comfortable when we come speak. Uh

3698
02:36:56,000 --> 02:36:58,560
again, the you can direct questions to

3699
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:00,319
us. We're we're going to write those

3700
02:37:00,319 --> 02:37:02,240
down. Staff write them down. Applicant

3701
02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:06,960
write them down possibly. But uh then uh we'll we'll try to cover those

3702
02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:08,720
questions after the public hearing is

3703
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:12,240
over. So I would uh entertain a motion.

3704
02:37:12,240 --> 02:37:14,000
I think we're back already, so you don't

3705
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:15,359
need to do that, but I would entertain a

3706
02:37:15,359 --> 02:37:16,800
motion to go in the public hearing

3707
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:18,880
portion of this meeting if you guys have

3708
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:20,080
no questions before that.

3709
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:22,000
>> I move that we go into public hearing.

3710
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:24,399
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden, second

3711
02:37:24,399 --> 02:37:26,640
>> and second by Councilman Tuk to go in

3712
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:29,920
public hearing for item 7.3.

3713
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:31,439
All in favor say yes.

3714
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:35,760
>> Yes. Okay, we're in public hearing. Yes.

3715
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:37,840
>> Um, my name is Crosby Mosinger. I'm

3716
02:37:37,840 --> 02:37:39,840
originally from Springville. Um, born

3717
02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:41,920
and raised Red Devil, but I live in

3718
02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:45,439
Mapleton, just off the 89, which is very

3719
02:37:45,439 --> 02:37:47,120
close to where this site is being. Say

3720
02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:47,439
that again.

3721
02:37:47,439 --> 02:37:48,479
>> I missed your name. Sorry.

3722
02:37:48,479 --> 02:37:51,120
>> Crosby Mosinger, like Crosby Stills and

3723
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:51,600
Nash.

3724
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:52,720
>> Thank you.

3725
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:53,120
>> Very cool.

3726
02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:54,240
>> Thank you.

3727
02:37:54,240 --> 02:37:57,840
>> Um, so I I I know that this is just a

3728
02:37:57,840 --> 02:38:00,720
vote on the amendment to the title. Um,

3729
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:03,040
however, I being a Mapleton resident

3730
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:05,040
just found out about this maybe a month

3731
02:38:05,040 --> 02:38:07,520
ago and haven't our neighbor two

3732
02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:09,439
neighborhoods, Mapleton Village and

3733
02:38:09,439 --> 02:38:11,840
Harmony Ridge have gotten together and

3734
02:38:11,840 --> 02:38:13,760
had some opposition to this. So, I'm

3735
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:15,920
coming in kind of representation of that

3736
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:19,280
group to um state our opposition to this

3737
02:38:19,280 --> 02:38:22,720
data center. I came to um Valition's

3738
02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:27,200
public qua sessions um and I asked for

3739
02:38:27,200 --> 02:38:30,000
data essentially on the claims that are

3740
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:32,000
being made here. Um I've yet to be

3741
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:34,880
provided that data and I've seen that as

3742
02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:38,240
the past hour or so has gone on um a lot

3743
02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:40,319
of claims have been made but you can't

3744
02:38:40,319 --> 02:38:44,720
like for example the West Jordan um base

3745
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:46,800
um you can't show a picture of a house

3746
02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:48,640
and say see these residents aren't

3747
02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:51,040
affected by this. Where is the data to

3748
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:54,160
back these things? Um, and so I'm not

3749
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:55,840
interested and our neighborhoods are not

3750
02:38:55,840 --> 02:38:58,000
interested in being a test site to see

3751
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:00,720
if these claims take place because what

3752
02:39:00,720 --> 02:39:03,920
has actually been proven is the intense

3753
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:05,680
effect of data centers on communities

3754
02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:08,000
that surround them. This is a highly

3755
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:09,920
dense and it's just in the past few

3756
02:39:09,920 --> 02:39:12,479
years become very dense residential

3757
02:39:12,479 --> 02:39:16,640
space. Um, and the ability that this

3758
02:39:16,640 --> 02:39:18,800
company has to dramatically affect our

3759
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:21,600
lives, I think is substantial. And I

3760
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:24,240
don't feel that um the due diligence as

3761
02:39:24,240 --> 02:39:27,520
they've described has been fully vetted

3762
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:30,000
um because again we don't have the data

3763
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:32,880
to back the claims. Um but I do have two

3764
02:39:32,880 --> 02:39:35,760
questions for the council tonight and I

3765
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:37,040
probably I have to go get my daughter

3766
02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:40,000
down. She's two and she's the best. But

3767
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:42,399
um my first one is because this is a

3768
02:39:42,399 --> 02:39:44,399
behind the meter project that bypasses

3769
02:39:44,399 --> 02:39:46,800
traditional utility timelines. What

3770
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:48,399
specific independent environmental

3771
02:39:48,399 --> 02:39:50,160
impact studies have been conducted for

3772
02:39:50,160 --> 02:39:52,000
the local neighborhoods and where can

3773
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:55,359
the public read them? And then why was

3774
02:39:55,359 --> 02:39:56,800
this project fasttracked and what

3775
02:39:56,800 --> 02:39:58,319
mechanisms are in place to ensure

3776
02:39:58,319 --> 02:40:00,240
residents have a binding vote or say

3777
02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:03,840
before final zoning approval is granted?

3778
02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:05,120
And that's all. Thank you for your time.

3779
02:40:05,120 --> 02:40:06,479
>> Crosby, thanks for staying with us.

3780
02:40:06,479 --> 02:40:11,670
Appreciate it.

3781
02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:15,359
» Hello, my name is Jesse Anreel. I'm a

3782
02:40:15,359 --> 02:40:17,439
resident of Spanish work. Have been for

3783
02:40:17,439 --> 02:40:19,520
most of

3784
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:22,720
40 years almost. Um I did move to

3785
02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:24,240
Springville shortly, but then I came

3786
02:40:24,240 --> 02:40:25,280
back.

3787
02:40:25,280 --> 02:40:28,880
>> Um I would like to urge you the same

3788
02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:31,840
that Mr. Chavez did. Um if this feels

3789
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:33,760
too fast, which I kind of it kind of

3790
02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:35,920
feels like that to me, uh you guys take

3791
02:40:35,920 --> 02:40:39,359
more time to um so I would kind of urge

3792
02:40:39,359 --> 02:40:42,000
you to follow his guideline guidance and

3793
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:45,280
kind of take your time with this. Um, my

3794
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:47,439
ultimate question is why would there why

3795
02:40:47,439 --> 02:40:49,359
does there need to be two? If you vote

3796
02:40:49,359 --> 02:40:51,600
on this and you approve it today, it's

3797
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:53,280
ultimately for two data centers, not

3798
02:40:53,280 --> 02:40:55,439
just this one. And why does there need

3799
02:40:55,439 --> 02:40:58,640
to be two? Uh, we're we're a growing

3800
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:00,640
expanding city, but we're not large by

3801
02:41:00,640 --> 02:41:02,319
any means. We're not like, you know,

3802
02:41:02,319 --> 02:41:04,960
Provo or ORM size, for instance. So, I

3803
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:06,479
don't know you guys know square footage

3804
02:41:06,479 --> 02:41:08,960
about the city and stats more than I do,

3805
02:41:08,960 --> 02:41:13,040
but um in terms of residents and then um

3806
02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:15,760
I think Councilman Marshall pushed it

3807
02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:17,280
kind of in the direction that I was

3808
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:20,319
leaning toward more where um included in

3809
02:41:20,319 --> 02:41:22,000
the amendment would be a development

3810
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:24,800
agreement if you are more inclined to

3811
02:41:24,800 --> 02:41:28,880
vote yes today. Um they listed six

3812
02:41:28,880 --> 02:41:32,960
things on their own slides and that was

3813
02:41:32,960 --> 02:41:35,359
um water use cap, no grid

3814
02:41:35,359 --> 02:41:37,040
interconnectivity

3815
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:39,680
covenant um to do that uh

3816
02:41:39,680 --> 02:41:42,880
decommissioning plan if they do go under

3817
02:41:42,880 --> 02:41:46,479
and then um enforcement of a noise limit

3818
02:41:46,479 --> 02:41:49,840
and no diesel generators and an annual

3819
02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:53,120
third-party reporting for the compliance

3820
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:56,240
of those promises. So, I feel like that

3821
02:41:56,240 --> 02:41:57,680
should be included in a development

3822
02:41:57,680 --> 02:42:00,000
agreement. Um, as they listed it, the

3823
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:02,319
same covenants would be applied to any

3824
02:42:02,319 --> 02:42:05,439
other data centers if you do keep the

3825
02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:08,479
two data centers there. Um, so that's

3826
02:42:08,479 --> 02:42:09,359
all I have. Thank you.

3827
02:42:09,359 --> 02:42:13,910
>> Thank you, Jesse. Appreciate it.

3828
02:42:13,920 --> 02:42:16,479
» Hi, my name is Sarah Stevenson and I

3829
02:42:16,479 --> 02:42:19,600
live in Spanish Fork. Um, we have lived

3830
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:21,920
here for about five years and u moved

3831
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:25,200
here from Sacramento and have loved

3832
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:29,120
Spanish Fork and um the values that

3833
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:31,520
we've seen and I'm grateful that you

3834
02:42:31,520 --> 02:42:34,720
guys give public comment. I spent some

3835
02:42:34,720 --> 02:42:36,800
time at the Sacramento Capitol and they

3836
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:38,319
would remove public comment so I'm very

3837
02:42:38,319 --> 02:42:41,520
grateful. So, thank you.

3838
02:42:41,520 --> 02:42:43,760
Um,

3839
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:46,880
so I um,

3840
02:42:46,880 --> 02:42:49,439
sorry I'm a little nervous. I I really

3841
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:52,000
loved what Crosby said, the the first

3842
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:53,760
um, personally gave at the public

3843
02:42:53,760 --> 02:42:55,680
comment. I feel like I can just echo

3844
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:58,720
what she's saying. Um, but I also wanted

3845
02:42:58,720 --> 02:43:01,600
to bring up I I do work at the Fit City

3846
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:04,240
Center and they had us memorize our the

3847
02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:06,880
mission statement and it's we strive to

3848
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:08,319
build and maintain a vibrant city

3849
02:43:08,319 --> 02:43:10,399
through personal community interactions

3850
02:43:10,399 --> 02:43:12,000
and innovative local government

3851
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:14,560
services. And the biggest thing that

3852
02:43:14,560 --> 02:43:17,200
stands out to me is just the community

3853
02:43:17,200 --> 02:43:19,680
and listening to what the community

3854
02:43:19,680 --> 02:43:22,319
wants. And like Crosby had said that

3855
02:43:22,319 --> 02:43:24,160
there's no guarantee, there's no data to

3856
02:43:24,160 --> 02:43:26,800
back these things up. And I think the

3857
02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:28,960
number one thing

3858
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:30,560
um this should be the most important

3859
02:43:30,560 --> 02:43:32,720
input is what the people of Spanish Fork

3860
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:35,600
want. And

3861
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:38,240
from people who I talked to and the

3862
02:43:38,240 --> 02:43:40,880
turnout tonight, I would say that the

3863
02:43:40,880 --> 02:43:43,120
majority of us do not want the data

3864
02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:46,240
center here. And after like the

3865
02:43:46,240 --> 02:43:48,960
presentation tonight,

3866
02:43:48,960 --> 02:43:53,760
um I just don't think like when they say

3867
02:43:53,760 --> 02:43:58,000
close to no um emission to like the air

3868
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:02,319
quality, I just want none. Like I I I

3869
02:44:02,319 --> 02:44:03,920
want to keep the air as clean as

3870
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:05,840
possible here. We already struggle with

3871
02:44:05,840 --> 02:44:08,880
that in Utah. I just don't think it's

3872
02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:13,120
worth adding even a little bit. Um, and

3873
02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:16,000
then even just with the water,

3874
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:18,399
it's we're still using water. It even

3875
02:44:18,399 --> 02:44:21,359
though they propose that it's not a lot,

3876
02:44:21,359 --> 02:44:24,319
I just don't see the need for

3877
02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:26,560
any use of

3878
02:44:26,560 --> 02:44:30,800
extra water. Um, I just

3879
02:44:30,800 --> 02:44:32,720
Sorry.

3880
02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:35,279
Um

3881
02:44:35,279 --> 02:44:37,840
I just

3882
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:40,560
I feel like our community doesn't need

3883
02:44:40,560 --> 02:44:46,479
to serve like this innovation. Um the innovation should serve the

3884
02:44:46,479 --> 02:44:53,279
community if that makes sense. Sorry. Um if we're serious about building and

3885
02:44:53,279 --> 02:44:55,359
maintaining a vibrant city through

3886
02:44:55,359 --> 02:44:57,760
personal community interactions, I

3887
02:44:57,760 --> 02:45:00,000
really hope you'll show us tonight that

3888
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,560
this community interaction matters. Um,

3889
02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:06,000
please don't just hear us, listen to us.

3890
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:07,920
And

3891
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:09,520
um, thank you.

3892
02:45:09,520 --> 02:45:10,560
>> Thank you, Sarah. Thanks, Sarah.

3893
02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:12,240
>> Thank you, Sarah.

3894
02:45:12,240 --> 02:45:15,359
>> Okay. Uh, next on the list, I have James

3895
02:45:15,359 --> 02:45:17,439
Burrky, Scott Nichols, and Madison

3896
02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:20,000
Bringhurst. If you guys can move up to

3897
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:21,760
those seats and go in that order and

3898
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:25,279
then we'll get to the next ones.

3899
02:45:25,279 --> 02:45:25,760
>> Right here.

3900
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:27,200
>> Oh, okay. You already got a seat. All

3901
02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:29,680
right. So, are you James? No, James is

3902
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:32,479
coming in.

3903
02:45:32,479 --> 02:45:37,830
James.

3904
02:45:37,840 --> 02:45:39,600
» Hi, my name is James Burrky. I've lived

3905
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:42,880
up by uh the Diamond Fork Junior High or

3906
02:45:42,880 --> 02:45:44,399
is it a middle school now? I can't

3907
02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:47,520
remember. Anyway, um my main concern

3908
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:49,520
with this initially was, you know, all

3909
02:45:49,520 --> 02:45:52,080
the other bad stuff that other AI data

3910
02:45:52,080 --> 02:45:54,560
centers have been doing. But I am

3911
02:45:54,560 --> 02:45:58,560
convinced with if everything that our uh

3912
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:00,160
the company I was saying is true, all

3913
02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:02,399
right, that that assuagages a lot of my

3914
02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:05,600
concerns. However, one that I do have is

3915
02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:07,359
when this company eventually does get

3916
02:46:07,359 --> 02:46:09,439
bought out by whatever mega

3917
02:46:09,439 --> 02:46:12,560
conglomeration, uh, Amazon, Google,

3918
02:46:12,560 --> 02:46:15,520
Apple, whoever, um, do we have the

3919
02:46:15,520 --> 02:46:17,200
proper

3920
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:20,640
hardlined, uh, bylaws and city codes to

3921
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:22,560
ensure that they can't with their army

3922
02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:24,319
of lawyers completely override all the

3923
02:46:24,319 --> 02:46:26,720
good stuff that Valition may have done

3924
02:46:26,720 --> 02:46:29,920
and essentially screw the community over

3925
02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:31,680
at some point in the future when they

3926
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:33,840
surely will get bought

3927
02:46:33,840 --> 02:46:35,520
Um

3928
02:46:35,520 --> 02:46:38,160
as well as this question is more uh for

3929
02:46:38,160 --> 02:46:40,720
my dad who who is a programmer who uses

3930
02:46:40,720 --> 02:46:43,600
a lot of AI in his work. Um would

3931
02:46:43,600 --> 02:46:46,080
Spanish Fork residents

3932
02:46:46,080 --> 02:46:48,960
on whatever systems the company is

3933
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:51,120
operating and processing? Would we have

3934
02:46:51,120 --> 02:46:53,200
some kind of priority traffic? we have

3935
02:46:53,200 --> 02:46:55,200
some kind of preference in, you know,

3936
02:46:55,200 --> 02:46:57,840
what we could do or potentially if we

3937
02:46:57,840 --> 02:47:00,720
could get access to some like uh local

3938
02:47:00,720 --> 02:47:02,800
tokens, you know, maybe some crazy

3939
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:05,200
amount like 1 billion. I think it'd be

3940
02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:08,319
really good and, you know, it would help a lot out with some uh local

3941
02:47:08,319 --> 02:47:09,680
innovation. Thank you.

3942
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:10,160
>> Thank you.

3943
02:47:10,160 --> 02:47:12,880
James. Appreciate that.

3944
02:47:12,880 --> 02:47:16,950
>> Scott.

3945
02:47:16,960 --> 02:47:19,600
» Hey there. I'm Scott Nichols, uh,

3946
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:22,240
Spanish Fork resident for 10 years. I

3947
02:47:22,240 --> 02:47:24,319
got my whole crew here. So, I'm one

3948
02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:28,560
voice speaking for many, right? Um,

3949
02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:30,399
first wanted to thank you for this has

3950
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:32,720
been a wonderful experience overall. Um,

3951
02:47:32,720 --> 02:47:34,800
and very much appreciate how much

3952
02:47:34,800 --> 02:47:37,439
diligence you have all taken in in

3953
02:47:37,439 --> 02:47:39,200
looking at how things are written in

3954
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:42,000
modernizing them for the um the times

3955
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:44,000
that we're in.

3956
02:47:44,000 --> 02:47:46,479
It's interesting. Did like a quick uh a

3957
02:47:46,479 --> 02:47:49,760
quick uh search of like Gallup polls. Um

3958
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:52,000
you know, how many fans of data centers

3959
02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:54,560
are there out there? Shockingly, it's

3960
02:47:54,560 --> 02:47:56,800
like 29%. I would love to meet these

3961
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:59,359
people, the 29% that are pro data

3962
02:47:59,359 --> 02:48:01,600
center. Um I don't suspect there's many

3963
02:48:01,600 --> 02:48:05,040
of them here tonight, though. Um, I

3964
02:48:05,040 --> 02:48:07,920
think

3965
02:48:07,920 --> 02:48:09,600
it's a wonderful approach that you're

3966
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:12,399
taking and and segregating some of the

3967
02:48:12,399 --> 02:48:15,120
most damaging portions of of what data

3968
02:48:15,120 --> 02:48:16,960
centers uh have been doing to

3969
02:48:16,960 --> 02:48:18,880
communities, isolating those and

3970
02:48:18,880 --> 02:48:21,279
identifying them. Um, I I think my

3971
02:48:21,279 --> 02:48:24,960
question is based on what we're trying

3972
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:28,960
to be as a town, why any like why two,

3973
02:48:28,960 --> 02:48:32,399
why one, why not zero? Um, uh, data

3974
02:48:32,399 --> 02:48:35,439
centers in in Spanish Fork, especially

3975
02:48:35,439 --> 02:48:37,439
um, now that it seems like technology is

3976
02:48:37,439 --> 02:48:40,000
moving where they can be self-powered

3977
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:42,880
and um, with closed loop systems and all

3978
02:48:42,880 --> 02:48:44,720
of that, why not put it in the middle of

3979
02:48:44,720 --> 02:48:48,000
nowhere? Like, why right here with us?

3980
02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:51,040
Um we happen to live just right

3981
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:52,880
downstream from those windmills where

3982
02:48:52,880 --> 02:48:55,920
this is going. So um the heat is a

3983
02:48:55,920 --> 02:48:58,960
concern even you know he said 9% I think

3984
02:48:58,960 --> 02:49:01,840
uh or 9 degrees rather um and that might

3985
02:49:01,840 --> 02:49:04,160
just be local but it's hard to imagine

3986
02:49:04,160 --> 02:49:07,200
like from where I can see 9 degrees not

3987
02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:09,040
making a difference. My tomatoes are

3988
02:49:09,040 --> 02:49:11,760
already dying. Don't need uh additional

3989
02:49:11,760 --> 02:49:15,680
heat. So, um I think one of the other uh

3990
02:49:15,680 --> 02:49:19,520
speakers um had uh said that a binding

3991
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:22,560
referendum on the actual permitting of

3992
02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:24,160
the data center would be great. I know

3993
02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:25,439
that's not what we're talking about here

3994
02:49:25,439 --> 02:49:27,359
tonight, but I would like to voice my

3995
02:49:27,359 --> 02:49:30,000
support for a binding resolution for the

3996
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:32,720
actual data center when it comes time.

3997
02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:34,399
So, thank you. Appreciate you.

3998
02:49:34,399 --> 02:49:37,359
>> Thank you, Scott. Appreciate it,

3999
02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:41,750
>> Madison.

4000
02:49:41,760 --> 02:49:43,920
Thank you all and thank you all for the

4001
02:49:43,920 --> 02:49:45,520
opportunity that I've had to email you

4002
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:47,120
and for those of you that actually

4003
02:49:47,120 --> 02:49:48,640
responded to me with meaningful

4004
02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:50,640
comments, especially you, Councilman

4005
02:49:50,640 --> 02:49:52,880
Marshall. You did an amazing job. You

4006
02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:54,240
actually gave me confidence that you're

4007
02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:56,479
thinking and during the public comments

4008
02:49:56,479 --> 02:50:00,399
with Mr. Pel Pickle. Mr. Pel, you asked

4009
02:50:00,399 --> 02:50:03,120
a very important question. Why not just

4010
02:50:03,120 --> 02:50:05,359
add everything that makes this data

4011
02:50:05,359 --> 02:50:08,319
center acceptable to the title 15

4012
02:50:08,319 --> 02:50:11,040
amendment? And why was the title 15

4013
02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:14,160
amendment proposed by valition

4014
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:16,160
did they not hold themselves to every

4015
02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:19,359
claim they made tonight? If they do not

4016
02:50:19,359 --> 02:50:21,920
intend to break them, why not put them

4017
02:50:21,920 --> 02:50:24,720
in in the first place? Two of my biggest

4018
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:26,160
concerns actually have to do with the

4019
02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:28,479
redlinining that was done after the

4020
02:50:28,479 --> 02:50:31,279
planning commission met. Uh Valition

4021
02:50:31,279 --> 02:50:32,880
promised that they intend to run a

4022
02:50:32,880 --> 02:50:34,880
completely electrical isolation.

4023
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:36,560
However, one of the red lines that was

4024
02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:38,960
added by the city council to Valition's

4025
02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:41,520
document allowed them to connect to the

4026
02:50:41,520 --> 02:50:45,600
grid in order to function their office.

4027
02:50:45,600 --> 02:50:47,600
However, if Bloom cells are so

4028
02:50:47,600 --> 02:50:50,080
wonderful, the small amount of power

4029
02:50:50,080 --> 02:50:51,840
that they need to use for their office

4030
02:50:51,840 --> 02:50:53,840
can certainly be generated themselves.

4031
02:50:53,840 --> 02:50:55,840
there's no reason to allow them an

4032
02:50:55,840 --> 02:50:57,920
opportunity to connect to the grid when

4033
02:50:57,920 --> 02:51:00,080
they promised there's no reason for them

4034
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:03,520
to do to do so. The second set the

4035
02:51:03,520 --> 02:51:05,200
second issue that I have is actually

4036
02:51:05,200 --> 02:51:08,479
near the bottom. You have taken out the

4037
02:51:08,479 --> 02:51:10,720
language that provides us an opportunity

4038
02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:13,840
to put in new restrictions when legally

4039
02:51:13,840 --> 02:51:15,920
allowed and reasonable. Why would we

4040
02:51:15,920 --> 02:51:17,359
give up that opportunity? That doesn't

4041
02:51:17,359 --> 02:51:19,120
make any sense. That only helps them,

4042
02:51:19,120 --> 02:51:21,520
not us.

4043
02:51:21,520 --> 02:51:24,160
And I would just like to also discuss

4044
02:51:24,160 --> 02:51:26,319
the positives that were discussed in the

4045
02:51:26,319 --> 02:51:29,120
April 21st city council meeting minutes.

4046
02:51:29,120 --> 02:51:32,560
We're very excited obviously to bring in

4047
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:34,880
new tax revenue. However, a large

4048
02:51:34,880 --> 02:51:36,560
portion of this tax revenue, and I

4049
02:51:36,560 --> 02:51:37,920
apologize, my husband's a tax

4050
02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:41,680
accountant, so this is pillow talk. Um

4051
02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:44,560
but a large portion of this tax revenue

4052
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:46,560
is actually based on personal property

4053
02:51:46,560 --> 02:51:49,200
taxes which are related to legally

4054
02:51:49,200 --> 02:51:52,720
depreciable assets. If we build a city

4055
02:51:52,720 --> 02:51:56,160
budget around a tax revenue source that

4056
02:51:56,160 --> 02:51:58,960
is intended by its legal measure to

4057
02:51:58,960 --> 02:52:02,160
lessen over time then we are building an

4058
02:52:02,160 --> 02:52:04,640
unsustainable budget. And since the city

4059
02:52:04,640 --> 02:52:06,399
does not have its own revenue, the

4060
02:52:06,399 --> 02:52:09,680
citizens will have to make up that diff

4061
02:52:09,680 --> 02:52:11,359
difference themselves when the time

4062
02:52:11,359 --> 02:52:13,200
comes, which just means raising property

4063
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:15,120
taxes on families that might not be able

4064
02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:17,520
to afford it, though they love to live

4065
02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:20,319
here. I'd also like to mention that

4066
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:22,240
they've discussed potentially moving

4067
02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:24,080
their headquarters here. Without a

4068
02:52:24,080 --> 02:52:26,399
contract in hand, that is a meaningless

4069
02:52:26,399 --> 02:52:28,080
promise that has been promised to Texas.

4070
02:52:28,080 --> 02:52:29,840
And Governor Abbott actually had to come

4071
02:52:29,840 --> 02:52:32,240
out and say, "No more data centers until

4072
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:33,600
you actually bring your headquarters

4073
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:36,319
here because we're tired of it. We take

4074
02:52:36,319 --> 02:52:39,520
this promise without an actual contract.

4075
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:41,520
It's meaningless and cannot influence

4076
02:52:41,520 --> 02:52:43,760
our decisions." Thank you.

4077
02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:46,160
>> Thank you, Madison.

4078
02:52:46,160 --> 02:52:48,720
>> Uh, next I have uh on the list here

4079
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:52,240
Sadie, Josh, and Darren. If Sadi, Josh,

4080
02:52:52,240 --> 02:52:59,590
and Darren could make their way.

4081
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:00,399
Jordan, stop that.

4082
02:53:00,399 --> 02:53:04,150
>> Come on, Jordan.

4083
02:53:04,160 --> 02:53:05,760
» You can you can wait for a second till

4084
02:53:05,760 --> 02:53:08,399
we stop beeping you. Sorry.

4085
02:53:08,399 --> 02:53:10,240
>> Come on. Okay, they got it.

4086
02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:10,720
>> One job.

4087
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:11,840
>> They got it.

4088
02:53:11,840 --> 02:53:12,960
>> Satie.

4089
02:53:12,960 --> 02:53:14,640
>> Okay, perfect. My name is Satie Balof.

4090
02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:16,720
I'm essentially a lifelong resident of

4091
02:53:16,720 --> 02:53:19,120
Spanish work, 30 years. Um, I've just

4092
02:53:19,120 --> 02:53:20,479
written down a statement because I'm a

4093
02:53:20,479 --> 02:53:22,399
little bit nervous. But while I believe

4094
02:53:22,399 --> 02:53:24,319
valition are seemingly earnest in their

4095
02:53:24,319 --> 02:53:26,720
desire to improve how data centers could

4096
02:53:26,720 --> 02:53:28,880
operate, ultimately their model is

4097
02:53:28,880 --> 02:53:32,000
conceptual and untested in full. I would

4098
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:35,600
ask you to not amend the title 15 uh

4099
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:37,840
amend title 15 tonight until a more

4100
02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:40,319
mature materialized and empirically

4101
02:53:40,319 --> 02:53:42,640
tested and documented propo proposal is

4102
02:53:42,640 --> 02:53:45,120
put in place or until the success and

4103
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:47,680
safety of the technology is proven and

4104
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:50,240
not simply calculated as valition has

4105
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:53,520
shared so far. Uh making this amendment

4106
02:53:53,520 --> 02:53:55,120
will open the door for not only this

4107
02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:57,200
proposal but additional development

4108
02:53:57,200 --> 02:53:58,960
whether from valition or companies in

4109
02:53:58,960 --> 02:54:00,479
the future to come in and propose

4110
02:54:00,479 --> 02:54:02,240
similar or additional data center

4111
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:04,800
facilities of the future. In addition

4112
02:54:04,800 --> 02:54:06,800
and I brought this up both at the open

4113
02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:09,359
house last Thursday and email and in

4114
02:54:09,359 --> 02:54:10,960
email communication with many of you

4115
02:54:10,960 --> 02:54:12,560
Stacy thanks so much for getting back to

4116
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:16,240
me. Um, I would like to state that last

4117
02:54:16,240 --> 02:54:19,120
Thursday, Valition said they have not

4118
02:54:19,120 --> 02:54:21,680
and do not have plans to f perform or

4119
02:54:21,680 --> 02:54:23,680
facilitate any environmental impact

4120
02:54:23,680 --> 02:54:25,680
studies as they relate to the

4121
02:54:25,680 --> 02:54:27,200
surrounding habitat. They have

4122
02:54:27,200 --> 02:54:28,560
calculated heat and acoustic

4123
02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:30,880
measurements in relation to proximity to

4124
02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:33,439
the residential areas only. Given the

4125
02:54:33,439 --> 02:54:35,840
prop property's proximity to the Spanish

4126
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:38,399
Fork River Trail, I'd ask you to please

4127
02:54:38,399 --> 02:54:39,680
consider this as a part of your

4128
02:54:39,680 --> 02:54:42,880
decision. This area of Spanish Fork um

4129
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:44,800
is unique and delicate. There's been so

4130
02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:46,800
much discourse around how we use and

4131
02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:48,880
protect this land and I feel strongly

4132
02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:50,640
that it requires more consideration

4133
02:54:50,640 --> 02:54:52,560
before a decision is made.

4134
02:54:52,560 --> 02:54:53,359
>> Thanks.

4135
02:54:53,359 --> 02:54:55,359
>> Thank you, Satie.

4136
02:54:55,359 --> 02:54:58,080
>> Uh Josh,

4137
02:54:58,080 --> 02:55:00,319
>> there only one Josh in here. That never

4138
02:55:00,319 --> 02:55:02,319
happens. You called Josh. I was like,

4139
02:55:02,319 --> 02:55:04,560
"All right, who am I fighting?" Anyways,

4140
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:06,560
uh I'm Josh. I live in here in Spanish

4141
02:55:06,560 --> 02:55:08,319
Fork. I'm a Republican delegate, state

4142
02:55:08,319 --> 02:55:10,960
delegate, and uh you know, so I've been

4143
02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:12,960
around these kinds of hearings and I

4144
02:55:12,960 --> 02:55:15,840
also go to UVU uh majoring in digital

4145
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:17,279
marketing and minoring in

4146
02:55:17,279 --> 02:55:20,319
entrepreneurship. Um and you know, we

4147
02:55:20,319 --> 02:55:22,080
know that we're living in very divided

4148
02:55:22,080 --> 02:55:24,880
times right now. Uh but I actually think

4149
02:55:24,880 --> 02:55:26,160
it's the opposite. I actually think

4150
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:28,240
we're living in one of the most unified

4151
02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:30,080
times in America in the last 10 to 15

4152
02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:33,120
years. And this is because I will go to

4153
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:35,760
UVU and talk to the most lefty liberal

4154
02:55:35,760 --> 02:55:37,840
arts students and I will hear the same

4155
02:55:37,840 --> 02:55:40,960
things that I hear at the Republican

4156
02:55:40,960 --> 02:55:43,439
state convention. Uh when that when that

4157
02:55:43,439 --> 02:55:46,080
is also going on, one of those unifying

4158
02:55:46,080 --> 02:55:50,319
topics is data centers. Lots almost it

4159
02:55:50,319 --> 02:55:52,800
is almost everybody agrees that they do

4160
02:55:52,800 --> 02:55:55,200
not want them in their backyard. And

4161
02:55:55,200 --> 02:55:57,920
it's not as if this data center is

4162
02:55:57,920 --> 02:55:59,920
coming to the outskirts of town. it

4163
02:55:59,920 --> 02:56:01,600
finds itself in the heart of Spanish

4164
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:03,439
Fork right next to the windmills as

4165
02:56:03,439 --> 02:56:08,399
well. Right. Um so in this case I think

4166
02:56:08,399 --> 02:56:11,279
that we have seen that I will admit it

4167
02:56:11,279 --> 02:56:13,120
is a very good marketing campaign. It

4168
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:14,640
has been a very good marketing campaign

4169
02:56:14,640 --> 02:56:17,040
here because they come with answers to a

4170
02:56:17,040 --> 02:56:19,680
lot of the anxieties that people have.

4171
02:56:19,680 --> 02:56:22,720
But by guiding our eyes towards their

4172
02:56:22,720 --> 02:56:24,560
marketing campaign and answering all the

4173
02:56:24,560 --> 02:56:26,319
little questions that become the hot

4174
02:56:26,319 --> 02:56:29,120
button topics in the news, we miss out

4175
02:56:29,120 --> 02:56:30,720
on some things that I'm sure you'll hear

4176
02:56:30,720 --> 02:56:33,680
tonight uh by other people by the data

4177
02:56:33,680 --> 02:56:36,080
that they have not been able to actually

4178
02:56:36,080 --> 02:56:39,120
provide and other claims that just have

4179
02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:40,880
not materialized or are not in the

4180
02:56:40,880 --> 02:56:44,319
actual uh thing that we're passing here.

4181
02:56:44,319 --> 02:56:47,680
Um when it comes to that passing of the

4182
02:56:47,680 --> 02:56:49,760
zoning change to allow these types of

4183
02:56:49,760 --> 02:56:52,000
data centers, it also opens a black box,

4184
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:54,720
Pandora's box into whatever may happen

4185
02:56:54,720 --> 02:56:57,439
next, whatever might change next and

4186
02:56:57,439 --> 02:56:59,200
whatever might data center might come.

4187
02:56:59,200 --> 02:57:01,520
So even if we completely trust Valition,

4188
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:03,680
we have to completely trust the next

4189
02:57:03,680 --> 02:57:06,160
guy. I just don't think that is a

4190
02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:08,800
Pandora's box that is worth opening here

4191
02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:11,200
tonight or in the future for Spanish

4192
02:57:11,200 --> 02:57:13,840
Fork. All I'm hearing is how bad could

4193
02:57:13,840 --> 02:57:17,120
it possibly be, right? And again, this

4194
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:19,279
is Spanish Fork. We are citizens of

4195
02:57:19,279 --> 02:57:22,720
Spanish Fork. Pride and progress. I just

4196
02:57:22,720 --> 02:57:25,359
don't see much pride in this progress.

4197
02:57:25,359 --> 02:57:26,319
Thank you.

4198
02:57:26,319 --> 02:57:30,469
>> Thank you, Josh.

4199
02:57:30,479 --> 02:57:32,880
» Uh Darren, right?

4200
02:57:32,880 --> 02:57:34,640
>> That's right. Give me pull my notes

4201
02:57:34,640 --> 02:57:36,560
here.

4202
02:57:36,560 --> 02:57:38,240
>> All right. So, yeah, my name is Darren.

4203
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:40,240
I live about three miles from the

4204
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:43,040
proposed uh valition data center. I

4205
02:57:43,040 --> 02:57:44,560
understand the economic opportunities

4206
02:57:44,560 --> 02:57:46,479
project represents. My concern is

4207
02:57:46,479 --> 02:57:50,000
ensuring the protection of residents u

4208
02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:52,720
and that that lasts for the lifetime of

4209
02:57:52,720 --> 02:57:54,960
the facility, not just the first 10

4210
02:57:54,960 --> 02:57:56,800
years or so when equipment's running at

4211
02:57:56,800 --> 02:57:59,920
its optimum. The rep represented this

4212
02:57:59,920 --> 02:58:02,640
project as a quiet lowwater safe and

4213
02:58:02,640 --> 02:58:04,399
environmental respon environmentally

4214
02:58:04,399 --> 02:58:06,880
responsible. If those represent uh

4215
02:58:06,880 --> 02:58:08,640
representations help justify approval,

4216
02:58:08,640 --> 02:58:09,760
they should become measurable and

4217
02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:12,399
enforceable commitments. First, require

4218
02:58:12,399 --> 02:58:14,399
independent unannounced noise testing.

4219
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:16,160
Every year, testing should occur at

4220
02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:17,840
random times during both the day and

4221
02:58:17,840 --> 02:58:20,319
night and include measures uh near

4222
02:58:20,319 --> 02:58:22,479
surrounding residential areas, not just

4223
02:58:22,479 --> 02:58:25,600
at the property line like proposed. Uh

4224
02:58:25,600 --> 02:58:27,200
the city should establish acceptable

4225
02:58:27,200 --> 02:58:28,960
noise limits. If the facility repeatedly

4226
02:58:28,960 --> 02:58:30,720
exceeds those limits, there should be

4227
02:58:30,720 --> 02:58:32,240
enforceable consequences, including

4228
02:58:32,240 --> 02:58:33,760
stopping the equipment responsible until

4229
02:58:33,760 --> 02:58:35,680
the problem is corrected. Second,

4230
02:58:35,680 --> 02:58:37,439
require annual independent monitoring of

4231
02:58:37,439 --> 02:58:39,120
water consumption and potential impacts

4232
02:58:39,120 --> 02:58:42,080
of our water resources. Third, require

4233
02:58:42,080 --> 02:58:44,000
environmental monitoring of natural gas

4234
02:58:44,000 --> 02:58:46,319
used to generate this electricity. These

4235
02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:48,479
fuel cells do not combust natural gas,

4236
02:58:48,479 --> 02:58:51,120
but they still produce carbon dioxide.

4237
02:58:51,120 --> 02:58:53,520
Methane leakage can also occur during

4238
02:58:53,520 --> 02:58:54,800
natural gas production and

4239
02:58:54,800 --> 02:58:56,319
transportation.

4240
02:58:56,319 --> 02:58:58,160
Requiring uh require reporting of

4241
02:58:58,160 --> 02:59:00,399
natural gas consumption, carbon

4242
02:59:00,399 --> 02:59:02,080
emissions, and independently verified

4243
02:59:02,080 --> 02:59:04,399
methane leakage associated with the gas

4244
02:59:04,399 --> 02:59:06,960
supply. The city should also evaluate

4245
02:59:06,960 --> 02:59:08,479
whether the facility's natural gas

4246
02:59:08,479 --> 02:59:10,800
demand could affect infrastructure or

4247
02:59:10,800 --> 02:59:12,880
future utility costs for residents.

4248
02:59:12,880 --> 02:59:14,880
Fourth, this location creates another

4249
02:59:14,880 --> 02:59:17,200
concern. This facility sits near the

4250
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:19,279
mouth of the canyon where we experience

4251
02:59:19,279 --> 02:59:21,840
significant winds that move uh out

4252
02:59:21,840 --> 02:59:23,359
towards Spanish Fork and surrounding

4253
02:59:23,359 --> 02:59:25,439
residential areas. I would ask that the

4254
02:59:25,439 --> 02:59:26,880
city require an independent air

4255
02:59:26,880 --> 02:59:29,840
dispersement study using actual local

4256
02:59:29,840 --> 02:59:32,479
wind, weather, and terrain data. We need

4257
02:59:32,479 --> 02:59:34,720
to understand where facility emissions

4258
02:59:34,720 --> 02:59:36,800
travel and what happens during the AC

4259
02:59:36,800 --> 02:59:39,200
accidental natural gas release which

4260
02:59:39,200 --> 02:59:41,200
will occur particularly when canyon

4261
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:43,680
winds move towards residential areas.

4262
02:59:43,680 --> 02:59:45,840
finally require an independent fire and

4263
02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:48,240
explosion explosion risk assessment.

4264
02:59:48,240 --> 02:59:52,080
Like I said, it isn't being uh we're not

4265
02:59:52,080 --> 02:59:54,399
using it to combust for uh power, but

4266
02:59:54,399 --> 02:59:56,720
there's unburnt natural gas that can be

4267
02:59:56,720 --> 03:00:01,120
a combustion risk. This uh I am I am not

4268
03:00:01,120 --> 03:00:02,960
asking you to assume this project will

4269
03:00:02,960 --> 03:00:05,200
cause these problems. I'm asking you

4270
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:07,439
make sure that promises being made today

4271
03:00:07,439 --> 03:00:08,720
are independently verified and

4272
03:00:08,720 --> 03:00:11,520
enforceable tomorrow. uh requiring noise

4273
03:00:11,520 --> 03:00:12,640
and water monitoring, requiring

4274
03:00:12,640 --> 03:00:14,000
emissions and methane reporting,

4275
03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:15,760
studying our unique canyon winds,

4276
03:00:15,760 --> 03:00:16,960
requiring independent safety

4277
03:00:16,960 --> 03:00:18,479
assessments, and establishing meaningful

4278
03:00:18,479 --> 03:00:20,720
consequences if the facility fails to

4279
03:00:20,720 --> 03:00:22,720
meet the standards used to approve it.

4280
03:00:22,720 --> 03:00:23,760
>> That's it. Thank you.

4281
03:00:23,760 --> 03:00:25,200
>> Thank you, Darren. Thanks. Appreciate

4282
03:00:25,200 --> 03:00:26,399
it.

4283
03:00:26,399 --> 03:00:29,600
>> Uh next up, I've got Jordan, Anna, and

4284
03:00:29,600 --> 03:00:31,120
Christie.

4285
03:00:31,120 --> 03:00:34,240
If you guys are in the room or in the

4286
03:00:34,240 --> 03:00:36,240
other room, Jordan Stevenson, Anna

4287
03:00:36,240 --> 03:00:49,510
Winkler, and Christy Smith.

4288
03:00:49,520 --> 03:00:51,120
You can go while while they're walking

4289
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:52,960
in if you want. Are you Anna or

4290
03:00:52,960 --> 03:00:55,520
Christie? You go ahead, Christie.

4291
03:00:55,520 --> 03:00:58,160
>> All right. I will try not to cover

4292
03:00:58,160 --> 03:00:59,120
things that have already been brought

4293
03:00:59,120 --> 03:01:00,880
up, but I did make notes. So,

4294
03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:02,640
>> good.

4295
03:01:02,640 --> 03:01:05,279
>> Uh, so I'm I'm really concerned about

4296
03:01:05,279 --> 03:01:07,279
Oh, Christy Smith, Spanish work. Sorry.

4297
03:01:07,279 --> 03:01:10,080
>> Thank Um, so I'm really concerned about

4298
03:01:10,080 --> 03:01:11,520
the fact that the process has even

4299
03:01:11,520 --> 03:01:15,040
gotten to this point. Um, it's no,

4300
03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:17,600
uh, it's no secret that there's negative

4301
03:01:17,600 --> 03:01:19,600
impacts left and right from data

4302
03:01:19,600 --> 03:01:21,840
centers. Uh, the thought that they're

4303
03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:23,840
being built in mass is terrifying

4304
03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:26,479
enough. Um, tens of thousands across the

4305
03:01:26,479 --> 03:01:29,279
United States is concerning, but if it's

4306
03:01:29,279 --> 03:01:31,279
right here in our backyard, that's

4307
03:01:31,279 --> 03:01:33,760
really concerning. there's no need for

4308
03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:35,920
data centers in this quantity and

4309
03:01:35,920 --> 03:01:37,760
there's definitely not a need for any

4310
03:01:37,760 --> 03:01:40,960
more that don't already exist. Um so we

4311
03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:42,399
should not be discussing new data

4312
03:01:42,399 --> 03:01:45,920
centers or opening up our text to allow

4313
03:01:45,920 --> 03:01:47,680
those. We should be discussing banning

4314
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:50,880
them. Uh so countless reports of

4315
03:01:50,880 --> 03:01:52,640
negative impacts and I know they've

4316
03:01:52,640 --> 03:01:55,439
addressed some of these. Um

4317
03:01:55,439 --> 03:01:57,840
that's all well and good but you can put

4318
03:01:57,840 --> 03:02:00,640
promises in one hand and water in the

4319
03:02:00,640 --> 03:02:02,880
other. which one's going to fill up,

4320
03:02:02,880 --> 03:02:05,520
right? So, uh there is an increase in

4321
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:08,399
the temperature on average 12 degrees in

4322
03:02:08,399 --> 03:02:11,680
the areas near data centers. Uh we

4323
03:02:11,680 --> 03:02:12,800
already have an issue with global

4324
03:02:12,800 --> 03:02:14,479
warming warming that we need to address

4325
03:02:14,479 --> 03:02:16,560
as it is. We don't need to add to that.

4326
03:02:16,560 --> 03:02:19,840
Uh data centers use water. Um they have

4327
03:02:19,840 --> 03:02:24,319
addressed part of that. Uh but again, we

4328
03:02:24,319 --> 03:02:26,399
have data centers that have come in

4329
03:02:26,399 --> 03:02:28,000
saying they won't use more water and

4330
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:29,279
then they end up turning around and

4331
03:02:29,279 --> 03:02:32,000
suing for more. Then what do we do,

4332
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:34,960
right? Um nobody can survive without

4333
03:02:34,960 --> 03:02:36,960
fresh water, but we definitely can

4334
03:02:36,960 --> 03:02:40,399
survive without data centers. Uh data

4335
03:02:40,399 --> 03:02:43,279
centers can infuse chemicals into the

4336
03:02:43,279 --> 03:02:47,120
ground and or water and or sewer. We

4337
03:02:47,120 --> 03:02:49,520
can't have any of that leech. uh that's

4338
03:02:49,520 --> 03:02:51,359
going to affect not only just the

4339
03:02:51,359 --> 03:02:52,960
ground, but it could go into our crops.

4340
03:02:52,960 --> 03:02:55,840
It could go into anything. Uh noise

4341
03:02:55,840 --> 03:02:57,439
pollution. I know that we've talked a

4342
03:02:57,439 --> 03:02:59,680
bit about that. And so there are people

4343
03:02:59,680 --> 03:03:02,399
that live near data centers that they

4344
03:03:02,399 --> 03:03:05,200
are negatively impacted and it's

4345
03:03:05,200 --> 03:03:08,000
affecting them mentally. And there's so

4346
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:10,319
many cases where they can't even move

4347
03:03:10,319 --> 03:03:13,760
away or sell their property because

4348
03:03:13,760 --> 03:03:15,439
nobody wants to live near a data center.

4349
03:03:15,439 --> 03:03:16,800
So they can't even sell their house to

4350
03:03:16,800 --> 03:03:19,760
get away from it. Um, and that doesn't

4351
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:22,080
even factor in the noise that we humans

4352
03:03:22,080 --> 03:03:23,680
cannot hear. I don't know if any of of

4353
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:26,479
you have seen Hoppers. Um, it's a Disney

4354
03:03:26,479 --> 03:03:29,520
movie. I suggest watching it. Um,

4355
03:03:29,520 --> 03:03:31,279
animals can hear things we can't and

4356
03:03:31,279 --> 03:03:34,160
it's driving animals away. Um, so

4357
03:03:34,160 --> 03:03:38,240
animals bees, it's driving bees away and

4358
03:03:38,240 --> 03:03:42,960
that has a major negative impact on our

4359
03:03:42,960 --> 03:03:45,760
food supply. Um, and just in general, if

4360
03:03:45,760 --> 03:03:46,960
we don't have bees, if we don't have

4361
03:03:46,960 --> 03:03:49,439
pollinators, we don't have earth

4362
03:03:49,439 --> 03:03:54,240
anymore. We're all gone. Uh, let's see.

4363
03:03:54,240 --> 03:03:58,000
And then, uh, also in areas with data

4364
03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:00,880
centers, farmers are reporting fertility

4365
03:04:00,880 --> 03:04:02,880
issues in their animals. There's still

4366
03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:05,439
births or complete lack of pregnancy.

4367
03:04:05,439 --> 03:04:06,800
Uh, if it's doing that to animals,

4368
03:04:06,800 --> 03:04:09,200
what's what is it doing to humans? So,

4369
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:10,319
thank you very much.

4370
03:04:10,319 --> 03:04:14,160
>> Thank you, Christie. Appreciate it. Uh,

4371
03:04:14,160 --> 03:04:17,439
Anna, is this Anna? Thank you, Anna.

4372
03:04:17,439 --> 03:04:19,279
>> Sorry, let me pull this up. I'm a little

4373
03:04:19,279 --> 03:04:20,080
nervous. You're

4374
03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:20,640
>> all right.

4375
03:04:20,640 --> 03:04:22,479
>> My name's Anna. I'm a senior at Maple

4376
03:04:22,479 --> 03:04:24,800
Mountain High School. Disregarding the

4377
03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:27,359
morality issues of data centers, we

4378
03:04:27,359 --> 03:04:29,439
shouldn't be prioritizing profit over

4379
03:04:29,439 --> 03:04:31,840
humanity. We shouldn't be using our

4380
03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:33,760
limited resources to further harm our

4381
03:04:33,760 --> 03:04:35,279
earth.

4382
03:04:35,279 --> 03:04:37,840
Just because it doesn't affect um our

4383
03:04:37,840 --> 03:04:40,399
gas or our water, like they were saying,

4384
03:04:40,399 --> 03:04:42,399
doesn't mean we should be using it. We

4385
03:04:42,399 --> 03:04:45,040
should be saving it. Um what long-term

4386
03:04:45,040 --> 03:04:48,000
jobs are being made rather than being

4387
03:04:48,000 --> 03:04:50,960
replaced by AI. Um I would like to think

4388
03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:52,720
that the study of Spanish Fork is better

4389
03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:55,120
than that. I believe very strongly in

4390
03:04:55,120 --> 03:04:57,439
human creativity, the environment, and

4391
03:04:57,439 --> 03:05:00,399
the community. AI, I feel like, goes

4392
03:05:00,399 --> 03:05:02,720
against all of those things. I've talked

4393
03:05:02,720 --> 03:05:05,040
to so many people in Utah County,

4394
03:05:05,040 --> 03:05:06,800
especially students from all different

4395
03:05:06,800 --> 03:05:08,399
beliefs and all different political

4396
03:05:08,399 --> 03:05:11,040
parties, and it seems clear the younger

4397
03:05:11,040 --> 03:05:13,279
generation doesn't want data centers.

4398
03:05:13,279 --> 03:05:15,840
Respectfully, my opinion won't change.

4399
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:18,000
Before we make so-called cleaner data

4400
03:05:18,000 --> 03:05:20,319
centers, we need to close or remodel the

4401
03:05:20,319 --> 03:05:22,720
ones that are already unfortunately

4402
03:05:22,720 --> 03:05:24,880
around. Thank you for your willingness

4403
03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:27,040
to listen.

4404
03:05:27,040 --> 03:05:28,399
>> Appreciate it.

4405
03:05:28,399 --> 03:05:30,560
Uh Jordan Stevenson. I don't know if if

4406
03:05:30,560 --> 03:05:32,800
we missed him or not, but uh we'll go on

4407
03:05:32,800 --> 03:05:34,800
to the next three that we have here are

4408
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:37,920
Stacy Heus, Karen Crossley, and Kaylee

4409
03:05:37,920 --> 03:05:45,990
Lowry.

4410
03:05:46,000 --> 03:05:49,359
» Hi, I'm Stacy Himus. I've lived here in

4411
03:05:49,359 --> 03:05:51,760
Spanish Fork for 10 years. And about a

4412
03:05:51,760 --> 03:05:55,120
year ago, we got our dream house. Um,

4413
03:05:55,120 --> 03:05:57,520
one of the reasons that we live in

4414
03:05:57,520 --> 03:06:00,240
Spanish Fork is because we love the

4415
03:06:00,240 --> 03:06:03,359
fresh air. We don't want that fresh air

4416
03:06:03,359 --> 03:06:06,640
disturbed. In fact, I would be happy if

4417
03:06:06,640 --> 03:06:08,960
the distribution center was torn down.

4418
03:06:08,960 --> 03:06:11,040
It's okay to like not have things right

4419
03:06:11,040 --> 03:06:13,680
there. But if we have homes there,

4420
03:06:13,680 --> 03:06:16,880
that's fine, too. Um,

4421
03:06:16,880 --> 03:06:20,319
now one of my concerns is that this

4422
03:06:20,319 --> 03:06:22,560
facility is actually right next to

4423
03:06:22,560 --> 03:06:24,880
Powerhouse Road, the fault line. What

4424
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:27,760
happens in an earthquake? What if

4425
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:29,680
there's an earthquake and all of a

4426
03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:32,560
sudden these things like combust or

4427
03:06:32,560 --> 03:06:34,479
whatever they can do? I don't know. But

4428
03:06:34,479 --> 03:06:38,080
that is a big concern. Um, I don't feel

4429
03:06:38,080 --> 03:06:41,279
like this spot is the right place for a

4430
03:06:41,279 --> 03:06:43,520
data center. There's got to be better

4431
03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:44,880
places.

4432
03:06:44,880 --> 03:06:50,640
Um Utah already has 45 to 50 data

4433
03:06:50,640 --> 03:06:55,840
centers. Um, they each have

4434
03:06:55,840 --> 03:06:58,479
I don't know the internet said something

4435
03:06:58,479 --> 03:07:02,560
like 125 million between 3 million to

4436
03:07:02,560 --> 03:07:05,600
125 million gallons of water which if

4437
03:07:05,600 --> 03:07:08,479
you add all of them together 45 to 50 of

4438
03:07:08,479 --> 03:07:10,880
those that

4439
03:07:10,880 --> 03:07:13,279
comes to like a couple billion gallons

4440
03:07:13,279 --> 03:07:18,000
of water I think a year is that anyway

4441
03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:20,479
um and that would be the size of a

4442
03:07:20,479 --> 03:07:22,640
couple cities. like Spanish fork uses a

4443
03:07:22,640 --> 03:07:25,279
billion something like that according to

4444
03:07:25,279 --> 03:07:29,600
what I've seen. Um

4445
03:07:29,600 --> 03:07:34,000
let's see. Uh the noise now I know that

4446
03:07:34,000 --> 03:07:38,880
they say it won't be bad but if you know

4447
03:07:38,880 --> 03:07:43,200
I'm within half a mile to a mile of this

4448
03:07:43,200 --> 03:07:47,600
place um it a lot of times they do make

4449
03:07:47,600 --> 03:07:50,720
a high screech. Maybe it won't. But if

4450
03:07:50,720 --> 03:07:52,640
they're saying that it's like somebody

4451
03:07:52,640 --> 03:07:56,080
talking, can you imagine go home and

4452
03:07:56,080 --> 03:08:01,040
talk and start humming that that level

4453
03:08:01,040 --> 03:08:02,960
into your ear? Like it's very

4454
03:08:02,960 --> 03:08:05,520
unpleasant. Um, I have kids that are

4455
03:08:05,520 --> 03:08:10,399
very sensitive to both allergies, um,

4456
03:08:10,399 --> 03:08:13,439
hearing and, uh,

4457
03:08:13,439 --> 03:08:15,520
you know, like concern from like say

4458
03:08:15,520 --> 03:08:19,439
carbon dioxide emissions or like, yeah,

4459
03:08:19,439 --> 03:08:22,399
we're really sensitive with that. So,

4460
03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:25,429
um,

4461
03:08:25,439 --> 03:08:28,000
and then I know that they say there's no

4462
03:08:28,000 --> 03:08:31,680
smell. the natural gas um is supposed to

4463
03:08:31,680 --> 03:08:33,120
actually have a smell so that you know

4464
03:08:33,120 --> 03:08:35,680
it's there. Um so if there is a smell,

4465
03:08:35,680 --> 03:08:37,359
it would be really stinky, but I'm not

4466
03:08:37,359 --> 03:08:40,880
sure about that either. So anyway, yeah,

4467
03:08:40,880 --> 03:08:42,800
I'm hoping there's a better spot for a

4468
03:08:42,800 --> 03:08:44,640
data center, if at all. I don't really

4469
03:08:44,640 --> 03:08:46,399
care for one, but thanks.

4470
03:08:46,399 --> 03:08:51,510
>> Thank you, Stacy. Appreciate it.

4471
03:08:51,520 --> 03:08:53,680
» Hi. Uh my name is Karen Crossley. I live

4472
03:08:53,680 --> 03:08:56,560
in Spanish Fork. Um, my concern tonight

4473
03:08:56,560 --> 03:08:59,279
is the removal of public input from this

4474
03:08:59,279 --> 03:09:02,240
proposed change. Under the current code,

4475
03:09:02,240 --> 03:09:04,479
a data center like this would need a

4476
03:09:04,479 --> 03:09:07,040
conditional use permit and that means a

4477
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:08,479
planning commission decides the

4478
03:09:08,479 --> 03:09:10,479
application in a public hearing and they

4479
03:09:10,479 --> 03:09:12,319
can attach conditions to protect the

4480
03:09:12,319 --> 03:09:14,399
neighbors. The planning commission is

4481
03:09:14,399 --> 03:09:16,160
composed of residents appointed by the

4482
03:09:16,160 --> 03:09:18,560
mayor. In their August 5th, 2026

4483
03:09:18,560 --> 03:09:20,560
meeting, they split three to three on

4484
03:09:20,560 --> 03:09:22,880
this proposal. The version that is in

4485
03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:25,279
front of you now tonight takes the

4486
03:09:25,279 --> 03:09:27,279
planning commission out of the process

4487
03:09:27,279 --> 03:09:30,160
entirely. The conditional use permit

4488
03:09:30,160 --> 03:09:32,240
requirement is crossed out. Their

4489
03:09:32,240 --> 03:09:34,319
authority to attach conditions is

4490
03:09:34,319 --> 03:09:36,960
crossed out. What replaces them is the

4491
03:09:36,960 --> 03:09:39,279
development review committee. The city's

4492
03:09:39,279 --> 03:09:41,359
own website calls that committee a staff

4493
03:09:41,359 --> 03:09:44,000
committee with no citizen members. Mr.

4494
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:46,000
Pel confirmed tonight that after your

4495
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:48,479
vote to change Title 15, whether that be

4496
03:09:48,479 --> 03:09:50,560
tonight or in the future, this now

4497
03:09:50,560 --> 03:09:52,720
becomes an administrative site plan

4498
03:09:52,720 --> 03:09:54,800
reviewed by staff and the development

4499
03:09:54,800 --> 03:09:56,720
review committee. He told you there

4500
03:09:56,720 --> 03:09:58,720
would be public meetings, but not public

4501
03:09:58,720 --> 03:10:01,200
hearings. In a public meeting, we can

4502
03:10:01,200 --> 03:10:03,600
only quietly watch. In a public hearing,

4503
03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:06,000
we can speak. The applicant's own

4504
03:10:06,000 --> 03:10:07,920
statement in your packet promises that

4505
03:10:07,920 --> 03:10:09,520
every project would still get its own

4506
03:10:09,520 --> 03:10:11,200
conditional use permit and its own

4507
03:10:11,200 --> 03:10:13,200
public hearing. Their slide tonight

4508
03:10:13,200 --> 03:10:15,520
called these conditional uses. The

4509
03:10:15,520 --> 03:10:17,760
ordinance text in that same packet

4510
03:10:17,760 --> 03:10:21,120
crosses both of these out. Mr. Anderson

4511
03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:22,560
told you tonight that this is the first

4512
03:10:22,560 --> 03:10:24,399
time in his 20 years here that has

4513
03:10:24,399 --> 03:10:26,560
staffed a staff has formed a committee

4514
03:10:26,560 --> 03:10:29,840
to evaluate a proposal. If this use is

4515
03:10:29,840 --> 03:10:32,080
unpre unprecedented enough to deserve

4516
03:10:32,080 --> 03:10:34,240
that, it is unprecedented enough to

4517
03:10:34,240 --> 03:10:37,040
deserve a public hearing at every step.

4518
03:10:37,040 --> 03:10:38,880
I'm asking you to add the public voice

4519
03:10:38,880 --> 03:10:41,120
back into this process. Keep the

4520
03:10:41,120 --> 03:10:43,760
standards, keep the caps, require a

4521
03:10:43,760 --> 03:10:45,680
development agreement as a condition,

4522
03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:47,279
the way your own council members have

4523
03:10:47,279 --> 03:10:50,000
raised tonight, and add one sentence.

4524
03:10:50,000 --> 03:10:52,160
Before any specific data center is

4525
03:10:52,160 --> 03:10:54,240
approved, let there be public hearings

4526
03:10:54,240 --> 03:10:56,479
at each step of the way. The applicant

4527
03:10:56,479 --> 03:10:58,479
told you tonight that he act he welcomes

4528
03:10:58,479 --> 03:11:01,120
more time. Take it and fix this one

4529
03:11:01,120 --> 03:11:03,200
thing before you vote. Thank you.

4530
03:11:03,200 --> 03:11:04,160
>> Thank you, Karen.

4531
03:11:04,160 --> 03:11:06,399
>> Okay,

4532
03:11:06,399 --> 03:11:08,479
>> I have a quick question before the time.

4533
03:11:08,479 --> 03:11:10,880
Um, I'm speaking on behalf of 29

4534
03:11:10,880 --> 03:11:13,040
residents. Does that mean I can have

4535
03:11:13,040 --> 03:11:15,040
five minutes? Is that a group?

4536
03:11:15,040 --> 03:11:17,200
>> You have 29 times three minutes, which

4537
03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:18,640
is I don't know what that mean. No, I'm

4538
03:11:18,640 --> 03:11:20,399
just kidding. Uh, if you if you can try

4539
03:11:20,399 --> 03:11:21,040
to keep it to

4540
03:11:21,040 --> 03:11:23,439
>> I'll try to keep it to three, but I like

4541
03:11:23,439 --> 03:11:24,720
just in case of

4542
03:11:24,720 --> 03:11:26,319
>> And we got a lot of we got a lot of

4543
03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:28,319
people behind you and we also got a lot

4544
03:11:28,319 --> 03:11:31,040
of uh emails that we can read too. So,

4545
03:11:31,040 --> 03:11:32,960
anything that you could submit in

4546
03:11:32,960 --> 03:11:35,439
>> I have submitted and he responded to me.

4547
03:11:35,439 --> 03:11:36,720
Yeah, I really appreciate it.

4548
03:11:36,720 --> 03:11:37,520
>> It's really good.

4549
03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:38,800
>> Thank you. What's your name again?

4550
03:11:38,800 --> 03:11:41,120
>> Uh my name is Kaylee Lowry and I live in

4551
03:11:41,120 --> 03:11:42,640
Spanish Fork. I live within like a

4552
03:11:42,640 --> 03:11:45,200
kilometer of the data center, a proposed

4553
03:11:45,200 --> 03:11:48,560
data center. Um I have I have been a

4554
03:11:48,560 --> 03:11:51,040
manufacturing controller as well as a

4555
03:11:51,040 --> 03:11:52,399
director of business intelligence and

4556
03:11:52,399 --> 03:11:54,560
now I'm a mom that researches data

4557
03:11:54,560 --> 03:11:58,160
centers and uh so this is what I found.

4558
03:11:58,160 --> 03:12:00,080
Um I have been to all three of the

4559
03:12:00,080 --> 03:12:02,479
Q&As's as much as I could. Not the whole

4560
03:12:02,479 --> 03:12:05,359
thing every time, but I tried. Um, so I

4561
03:12:05,359 --> 03:12:07,840
have a few questions um to consider and

4562
03:12:07,840 --> 03:12:10,479
a few points. Um, so the email from Mr.

4563
03:12:10,479 --> 03:12:12,000
Chavez that he sent out today that he

4564
03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:13,520
brought up on the permit talked about

4565
03:12:13,520 --> 03:12:15,840
having the caps on noise and property,

4566
03:12:15,840 --> 03:12:18,000
no grid, no diesel, and then diesel

4567
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:21,200
generators, etc. And then he asked us to

4568
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:24,640
trust him. Um, but also in the Q&A,

4569
03:12:24,640 --> 03:12:28,160
someone asked directly to have um

4570
03:12:28,160 --> 03:12:30,160
something written in there with PFAS.

4571
03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:31,680
And I don't know the exact terminology

4572
03:12:31,680 --> 03:12:33,200
that they agreed to, but he said to

4573
03:12:33,200 --> 03:12:34,800
somebody, "Let's put that in the in the

4574
03:12:34,800 --> 03:12:36,800
permit." And then he also said that the

4575
03:12:36,800 --> 03:12:38,720
500k he would put in the permit. And

4576
03:12:38,720 --> 03:12:40,479
that was not in the email today. And so

4577
03:12:40,479 --> 03:12:42,000
he's asking for trust, but there's a few

4578
03:12:42,000 --> 03:12:43,200
things that were mentioned in those

4579
03:12:43,200 --> 03:12:45,279
meetings that did not enter that email

4580
03:12:45,279 --> 03:12:47,439
that I was sent. And so there's a little

4581
03:12:47,439 --> 03:12:50,479
bit of like a hesitancy about trust,

4582
03:12:50,479 --> 03:12:55,040
which is why I asked that this um like

4583
03:12:55,040 --> 03:12:57,840
this amendment that we have it it's kind

4584
03:12:57,840 --> 03:13:01,920
of a cart blanc um from my perspective.

4585
03:13:01,920 --> 03:13:04,399
Um a lot of the things in the permit as

4586
03:13:04,399 --> 03:13:06,000
has been mentioned by a lot of other

4587
03:13:06,000 --> 03:13:08,960
people should be labeled specifically in

4588
03:13:08,960 --> 03:13:11,920
the amendment. Um

4589
03:13:11,920 --> 03:13:14,240
my a few concerns that I have is that

4590
03:13:14,240 --> 03:13:18,319
there's no residential setback. Um that

4591
03:13:18,319 --> 03:13:20,160
the amendment allows a huge facility

4592
03:13:20,160 --> 03:13:22,479
without proportional review. Um

4593
03:13:22,479 --> 03:13:24,399
including the fact that there are two

4594
03:13:24,399 --> 03:13:27,120
proposed or two in this amendment. Um

4595
03:13:27,120 --> 03:13:31,200
and then it um let's see the ultra low

4596
03:13:31,200 --> 03:13:35,040
emissions if they qualify for the 0 um 7

4597
03:13:35,040 --> 03:13:37,279
of nitrous oxide. It means that they

4598
03:13:37,279 --> 03:13:38,399
don't have to measure any other

4599
03:13:38,399 --> 03:13:40,800
pollutants and there are more things

4600
03:13:40,800 --> 03:13:42,239
that are caused for concern as far as

4601
03:13:42,239 --> 03:13:44,560
pollution goes than just nitrous oxide.

4602
03:13:44,560 --> 03:13:48,720
Um there's no chromium analysis um or

4603
03:13:48,720 --> 03:13:51,279
requirements made. Um the noise

4604
03:13:51,279 --> 03:13:53,040
provision should be strengthened. It

4605
03:13:53,040 --> 03:13:54,960
only measures DBA. It doesn't measure

4606
03:13:54,960 --> 03:13:57,520
low frequency noise, total tonal noise.

4607
03:13:57,520 --> 03:13:59,200
All these again can be mitigated with

4608
03:13:59,200 --> 03:14:01,200
policies that we just hold them to.

4609
03:14:01,200 --> 03:14:02,800
Right? I'm not I'm not saying that this

4610
03:14:02,800 --> 03:14:04,800
data center isn't like potentially the

4611
03:14:04,800 --> 03:14:06,800
best option for this facility. What I'm

4612
03:14:06,800 --> 03:14:08,479
saying is that we need to have standards

4613
03:14:08,479 --> 03:14:10,479
and measurements in place that they have

4614
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:13,840
to abide by. Um and actually that brings

4615
03:14:13,840 --> 03:14:17,520
me back to what Mayor um Menden Hall

4616
03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:20,000
said to me directly. He said, "We don't

4617
03:14:20,000 --> 03:14:22,880
need the business. Um we set the

4618
03:14:22,880 --> 03:14:24,399
standards and if they don't measure up,

4619
03:14:24,399 --> 03:14:26,800
we cut them off." Um, so what are the

4620
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:28,399
punishments for not abiding by the

4621
03:14:28,399 --> 03:14:30,319
standards which we put in this amendment

4622
03:14:30,319 --> 03:14:32,160
and what at what point do we cut them

4623
03:14:32,160 --> 03:14:35,600
off? Um, and then I have a printed copy

4624
03:14:35,600 --> 03:14:39,279
of the emails I have sent you uh here

4625
03:14:39,279 --> 03:14:41,760
and plenty more to talk about, but I'll

4626
03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:43,279
pass it on.

4627
03:14:43,279 --> 03:14:45,520
>> You can and we can take those if you

4628
03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:47,200
Yeah, you bet. If if you want to leave

4629
03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:48,479
them with us,

4630
03:14:48,479 --> 03:14:50,000
>> certainly take Thank you, Kaylee.

4631
03:14:50,000 --> 03:14:52,000
Appreciate it. Thank you.

4632
03:14:52,000 --> 03:14:54,720
>> Okay. Uh after Kaylee I have Angie uh

4633
03:14:54,720 --> 03:14:57,920
Parkin, Ben Berlin, and Jess N. So

4634
03:14:57,920 --> 03:15:01,120
Angie, Ben, and Jess if you're

4635
03:15:01,120 --> 03:15:07,670
>> Okay. Okay. Thanks, Ben. Uh Angie Parkin

4636
03:15:07,680 --> 03:15:09,680
and then Jess N after.

4637
03:15:09,680 --> 03:15:10,800
>> So Ben, just for the record, you're

4638
03:15:10,800 --> 03:15:13,680
good. You're positively supported or you

4639
03:15:13,680 --> 03:15:14,880
your comments have been addressed

4640
03:15:14,880 --> 03:15:16,640
somewhere else?

4641
03:15:16,640 --> 03:15:17,840
>> Okay. All right. Thanks.

4642
03:15:17,840 --> 03:15:19,200
>> Thanks, Ben.

4643
03:15:19,200 --> 03:15:19,920
>> Angie.

4644
03:15:19,920 --> 03:15:22,720
>> Okay. Hi, my name is Angie Parkin and

4645
03:15:22,720 --> 03:15:25,680
I'm a concerned citizen of Utah County.

4646
03:15:25,680 --> 03:15:27,840
Please consider the best practices that

4647
03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:30,000
other municipalities in the US have

4648
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:32,080
begun to implement as a protection in

4649
03:15:32,080 --> 03:15:34,000
this data center in its data center

4650
03:15:34,000 --> 03:15:36,800
ordinance. That is requiring a

4651
03:15:36,800 --> 03:15:39,600
decommissioning bond, not just a plan

4652
03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:41,120
like he mentioned. It was currently

4653
03:15:41,120 --> 03:15:43,920
stated, an actual decommissioning bond.

4654
03:15:43,920 --> 03:15:46,960
This is money or financial collateral to

4655
03:15:46,960 --> 03:15:48,960
cover the cost of shutting the facility

4656
03:15:48,960 --> 03:15:51,439
down and cleaning up the property. So

4657
03:15:51,439 --> 03:15:53,279
when a company decides this isn't

4658
03:15:53,279 --> 03:15:55,520
profitable anymore, the taxpayers and

4659
03:15:55,520 --> 03:15:58,000
the city isn't stuck with a gigantic

4660
03:15:58,000 --> 03:16:00,880
industrial mess and demolition bill.

4661
03:16:00,880 --> 03:16:04,160
Data centers come in with big talk, lots

4662
03:16:04,160 --> 03:16:06,640
of promises. They should be prepared to

4663
03:16:06,640 --> 03:16:08,399
clean up their own mess should they

4664
03:16:08,399 --> 03:16:11,279
choose to leave. One last thing, as of

4665
03:16:11,279 --> 03:16:14,960
2025, solar panels with battery storage

4666
03:16:14,960 --> 03:16:17,200
are now the cheapest and quickest way to

4667
03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:19,760
get power. Why is it that the applicant

4668
03:16:19,760 --> 03:16:23,040
is using fossil gas? Also, light

4669
03:16:23,040 --> 03:16:24,880
pollution. That was something that was

4670
03:16:24,880 --> 03:16:27,760
not addressed. No more dark sky. Hello

4671
03:16:27,760 --> 03:16:30,479
to interrupted bird migration. Bottom

4672
03:16:30,479 --> 03:16:33,520
line, let's keep the written standards.

4673
03:16:33,520 --> 03:16:36,479
Restore conditional use permit. The

4674
03:16:36,479 --> 03:16:38,880
applicant asked for it, staff removed

4675
03:16:38,880 --> 03:16:41,040
it. Putting it back costs the city

4676
03:16:41,040 --> 03:16:43,520
nothing and keeps the public hearing on

4677
03:16:43,520 --> 03:16:46,239
every project that follows. Thank you.

4678
03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:47,359
>> Thank you, Angie. Thanks, Angie.

4679
03:16:47,359 --> 03:16:52,870
>> Appreciate it.

4680
03:16:52,880 --> 03:16:54,720
» Jess.

4681
03:16:54,720 --> 03:16:56,880
>> Hi, my name is Jess. I'm also a resident

4682
03:16:56,880 --> 03:16:58,399
and I'd like to start by acknowledging

4683
03:16:58,399 --> 03:17:00,560
the significant time spent by the

4684
03:17:00,560 --> 03:17:03,200
council. Um, I know that these city

4685
03:17:03,200 --> 03:17:05,600
council meetings are lengthy clearly for

4686
03:17:05,600 --> 03:17:08,000
all of us and the time that you put into

4687
03:17:08,000 --> 03:17:10,000
these decisions and considerations for

4688
03:17:10,000 --> 03:17:12,960
our city is impactful and much beyond

4689
03:17:12,960 --> 03:17:14,960
these meetings. I'd also like to

4690
03:17:14,960 --> 03:17:17,279
acknowledge Valition and their efforts

4691
03:17:17,279 --> 03:17:21,120
to improve data centers and I think they

4692
03:17:21,120 --> 03:17:23,040
have great starts in terms of improving

4693
03:17:23,040 --> 03:17:26,319
water usage a separate gas line with

4694
03:17:26,319 --> 03:17:29,279
Nbridge as well as other measures to try

4695
03:17:29,279 --> 03:17:33,680
and reduce the pollutants and the

4696
03:17:33,680 --> 03:17:36,479
uses of different resources in the city

4697
03:17:36,479 --> 03:17:38,000
including not connecting to the local

4698
03:17:38,000 --> 03:17:40,479
power grid. I do have significant

4699
03:17:40,479 --> 03:17:43,920
concerns regarding the data center that

4700
03:17:43,920 --> 03:17:46,160
have not been

4701
03:17:46,160 --> 03:17:49,760
proven yet to be safe. I am primarily

4702
03:17:49,760 --> 03:17:52,000
concerned for the Spanish Fork residents

4703
03:17:52,000 --> 03:17:53,520
health as well as the health of our

4704
03:17:53,520 --> 03:17:57,040
wildlife and the agriculture.

4705
03:17:57,040 --> 03:18:02,000
And I also want to acknowledge that the

4706
03:18:02,000 --> 03:18:04,560
council has emphasized the importance of

4707
03:18:04,560 --> 03:18:08,880
uses subject to conditions and the how

4708
03:18:08,880 --> 03:18:10,800
imperative it is to build a more robust

4709
03:18:10,800 --> 03:18:12,880
title 15. I think that there is

4710
03:18:12,880 --> 03:18:14,880
additional parameters of other as others

4711
03:18:14,880 --> 03:18:17,040
have mentioned to continue to build that

4712
03:18:17,040 --> 03:18:20,080
robustness of title 15. For example, I'm

4713
03:18:20,080 --> 03:18:22,160
not aware that Title 15 includes any

4714
03:18:22,160 --> 03:18:25,120
regulations on temperature. And as

4715
03:18:25,120 --> 03:18:27,520
people who live nearby to the proposed

4716
03:18:27,520 --> 03:18:29,680
data center have expressed temperature

4717
03:18:29,680 --> 03:18:32,640
increases on site of 4 to9 degrees with

4718
03:18:32,640 --> 03:18:34,319
temperature increases up to one degree

4719
03:18:34,319 --> 03:18:36,080
within a half mile of the the data

4720
03:18:36,080 --> 03:18:37,920
center and some, from my understanding,

4721
03:18:37,920 --> 03:18:40,560
ambiguity in between those distances is

4722
03:18:40,560 --> 03:18:43,040
of major concern to me given there are

4723
03:18:43,040 --> 03:18:46,080
water sources very close to the vicinity

4724
03:18:46,080 --> 03:18:48,720
of the proposed data center. And we

4725
03:18:48,720 --> 03:18:52,399
simply don't have the local studies and

4726
03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:54,080
data to prove that this would be safe

4727
03:18:54,080 --> 03:18:57,040
for our residents, for our water supply,

4728
03:18:57,040 --> 03:18:59,279
for the animals that live in the area,

4729
03:18:59,279 --> 03:19:02,000
for the unique populations of fireflies

4730
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:03,840
and the unique populations that live

4731
03:19:03,840 --> 03:19:05,439
within this flood plane that's already

4732
03:19:05,439 --> 03:19:09,200
very unique to Utah. And my third point

4733
03:19:09,200 --> 03:19:12,960
is that as of 5:00 pm today, the August

4734
03:19:12,960 --> 03:19:15,439
4 Spanish Fork City Council meeting had

4735
03:19:15,439 --> 03:19:19,680
654 views. This is in relation to the

4736
03:19:19,680 --> 03:19:22,880
estimated over 48,000 Spanish Fork City

4737
03:19:22,880 --> 03:19:27,120
residents as of estimated July 2025 data

4738
03:19:27,120 --> 03:19:31,359
based on the census. This would be 1.3%

4739
03:19:31,359 --> 03:19:33,200
of Spanish Fork residents that have

4740
03:19:33,200 --> 03:19:35,840
viewed a portion of or that full city

4741
03:19:35,840 --> 03:19:38,000
council meeting and I believe that this

4742
03:19:38,000 --> 03:19:40,399
issue deserves increased visibility and

4743
03:19:40,399 --> 03:19:42,640
public feedback. Thank you.

4744
03:19:42,640 --> 03:19:42,960
>> Thank you.

4745
03:19:42,960 --> 03:19:45,200
Jess.

4746
03:19:45,200 --> 03:19:47,359
>> I have uh the next three I have are

4747
03:19:47,359 --> 03:19:50,160
Megan Banks, Jim

4748
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:51,760
Apodaka,

4749
03:19:51,760 --> 03:19:57,269
and Heather Miller.

4750
03:19:57,279 --> 03:20:05,990
Megan, Jim, and Heather.

4751
03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:10,160
» Hi, I'm Megan. Um, Banks.

4752
03:20:10,160 --> 03:20:13,920
I'm kind of short. Um, I grew up here in

4753
03:20:13,920 --> 03:20:18,800
Spanish Fork my whole life. Um,

4754
03:20:18,800 --> 03:20:23,200
I have a hard time trusting. Um, so I

4755
03:20:23,200 --> 03:20:26,000
was just thinking of my grandmother that

4756
03:20:26,000 --> 03:20:28,880
was mayor. Um Marie Huff, she would say

4757
03:20:28,880 --> 03:20:30,319
if it's too good to be true, it's

4758
03:20:30,319 --> 03:20:32,960
probably too good to be true. And I do

4759
03:20:32,960 --> 03:20:38,160
feel that way. Um my concern is heat and

4760
03:20:38,160 --> 03:20:41,760
with so many concerns actually. One is

4761
03:20:41,760 --> 03:20:45,760
heat and with us in a drought and all

4762
03:20:45,760 --> 03:20:47,760
the fires have been so horrible this

4763
03:20:47,760 --> 03:20:50,960
year and um so even just a little bit of

4764
03:20:50,960 --> 03:20:53,600
degree that is a big concern to me. And

4765
03:20:53,600 --> 03:20:56,720
also um

4766
03:20:56,720 --> 03:21:02,080
the water and the environment and um

4767
03:21:02,080 --> 03:21:06,239
and if it doesn't work out what it's

4768
03:21:06,239 --> 03:21:09,520
going to cost us more money to

4769
03:21:09,520 --> 03:21:13,359
have them fix whatever. So, I think that

4770
03:21:13,359 --> 03:21:19,520
um money is a concern and

4771
03:21:19,520 --> 03:21:21,359
um yeah, I'm just not for it and I don't

4772
03:21:21,359 --> 03:21:23,279
think a lot of our residents are for it

4773
03:21:23,279 --> 03:21:27,120
and so um yeah, sorry, I'm super

4774
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:29,600
nervous, but I think that's all I've

4775
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:29,920
got.

4776
03:21:29,920 --> 03:21:31,200
>> Your grandma would be proud.

4777
03:21:31,200 --> 03:21:31,840
>> Thank you.

4778
03:21:31,840 --> 03:21:32,800
>> Thanks, Megan.

4779
03:21:32,800 --> 03:21:35,120
>> Thank you.

4780
03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:43,269
>> Uh Megan, uh and then Jim. Uh

4781
03:21:43,279 --> 03:21:45,600
Hello, my uh my name is Jim Apodaka. I'm

4782
03:21:45,600 --> 03:21:48,960
a resident of Mapleton uh fairly new uh

4783
03:21:48,960 --> 03:21:51,200
to Mapleton. My I moved my family there

4784
03:21:51,200 --> 03:21:54,560
from from Bluffdale about uh about four

4785
03:21:54,560 --> 03:21:57,439
months ago. So, we we love the area and

4786
03:21:57,439 --> 03:21:59,040
I just found out about this last

4787
03:21:59,040 --> 03:22:03,040
Wednesday and um I've learned a lot

4788
03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:06,960
during this process. And um I guess one

4789
03:22:06,960 --> 03:22:08,800
thing that one question that I would

4790
03:22:08,800 --> 03:22:12,080
have is that you know we we've talked a

4791
03:22:12,080 --> 03:22:14,319
lot about voluition. We've scrutinized

4792
03:22:14,319 --> 03:22:15,840
them. We've gone through all of their

4793
03:22:15,840 --> 03:22:18,319
data you know and I and I think we we

4794
03:22:18,319 --> 03:22:19,840
need to continue to go through that

4795
03:22:19,840 --> 03:22:23,359
data. But my question there is that

4796
03:22:23,359 --> 03:22:25,840
they've provided this information and I

4797
03:22:25,840 --> 03:22:28,560
understand that if we don't have what

4798
03:22:28,560 --> 03:22:31,200
I'm hearing is that I've got two options

4799
03:22:31,200 --> 03:22:35,680
as a uh as a resident of Mapleton and I don't I don't really get a

4800
03:22:35,680 --> 03:22:37,200
decision because I live in Mapleton

4801
03:22:37,200 --> 03:22:40,560
right but when I drive down my hill

4802
03:22:40,560 --> 03:22:42,960
the data science it's right there and so

4803
03:22:42,960 --> 03:22:45,359
but my question is is so if we are going

4804
03:22:45,359 --> 03:22:48,399
to put valition under the microscope

4805
03:22:48,399 --> 03:22:51,279
that we we are but the other option is,

4806
03:22:51,279 --> 03:22:53,200
well, there's a a trucking company

4807
03:22:53,200 --> 03:22:55,840
that's going to push out 6,900 trucks a

4808
03:22:55,840 --> 03:22:58,160
month through that that little tiny

4809
03:22:58,160 --> 03:22:59,840
intersection right there where the acorn

4810
03:22:59,840 --> 03:23:02,800
is, right? What what what is that going

4811
03:23:02,800 --> 03:23:08,319
to do to that area? You know, what help me

4812
03:23:08,319 --> 03:23:10,399
understand how that is going to impact

4813
03:23:10,399 --> 03:23:13,200
the area? And I think if anything, we

4814
03:23:13,200 --> 03:23:15,680
should put that same that that other

4815
03:23:15,680 --> 03:23:17,279
potential buyer, if that's what they're

4816
03:23:17,279 --> 03:23:19,920
planning on doing with this space, we

4817
03:23:19,920 --> 03:23:24,560
should put them under the same lens and and make a decision that is best for

4818
03:23:24,560 --> 03:23:27,760
the community, not just Spanish Fork,

4819
03:23:27,760 --> 03:23:29,680
but for Mapleton. We live right there,

4820
03:23:29,680 --> 03:23:31,920
too, you know, and it's it is in our

4821
03:23:31,920 --> 03:23:35,760
backyard. And so, why not evaluate both?

4822
03:23:35,760 --> 03:23:37,840
And and I and I've heard people say,

4823
03:23:37,840 --> 03:23:39,600
well, you know, I don't even want the

4824
03:23:39,600 --> 03:23:41,600
data center. Building doesn't even have

4825
03:23:41,600 --> 03:23:43,439
to be there. You know, that's an option,

4826
03:23:43,439 --> 03:23:46,399
too, because of the way it's zoned. It

4827
03:23:46,399 --> 03:23:49,279
will support other options, you know,

4828
03:23:49,279 --> 03:23:50,800
and

4829
03:23:50,800 --> 03:23:53,920
why not purchase that spot, Spanish

4830
03:23:53,920 --> 03:23:56,000
Fork, and do something with it. Give

4831
03:23:56,000 --> 03:24:03,200
something to the community. Develop in a way that takes advantage of those windmills. That's one of the

4832
03:24:03,200 --> 03:24:05,120
things we love about that community is

4833
03:24:05,120 --> 03:24:06,960
those windmills. And one of the things

4834
03:24:06,960 --> 03:24:09,840
that we love is it's I have I have yet

4835
03:24:09,840 --> 03:24:13,120
to experience a bad sunset. And part of

4836
03:24:13,120 --> 03:24:15,439
that beauty is looking over and seeing

4837
03:24:15,439 --> 03:24:17,520
Spanish Fork. I mean, it's such a such a

4838
03:24:17,520 --> 03:24:20,000
beautiful town. Such a beautiful town.

4839
03:24:20,000 --> 03:24:22,319
And all I'm asking is that before you

4840
03:24:22,319 --> 03:24:25,840
make any decisions, evaluate this other

4841
03:24:25,840 --> 03:24:28,080
buyer and this other option, you know,

4842
03:24:28,080 --> 03:24:30,800
because the idea of 6,900 trucks on our

4843
03:24:30,800 --> 03:24:33,359
road, you know, that's that's really

4844
03:24:33,359 --> 03:24:35,359
concerning. That's really concerning.

4845
03:24:35,359 --> 03:24:38,319
And it seems to me like your neighbors,

4846
03:24:38,319 --> 03:24:40,560
your neighboring city, Mapleton, should

4847
03:24:40,560 --> 03:24:43,040
have a say in that conversation also

4848
03:24:43,040 --> 03:24:44,800
because that's a lot of traffic right

4849
03:24:44,800 --> 03:24:49,359
there where the the roads meet and the and the counties meet, right?

4850
03:24:49,359 --> 03:24:51,760
um why not bring them to the table and

4851
03:24:51,760 --> 03:24:54,000
maybe involve you do DOT in the

4852
03:24:54,000 --> 03:24:56,960
conversation as well. All I'm saying is

4853
03:24:56,960 --> 03:24:59,600
address both options and make the make a

4854
03:24:59,600 --> 03:25:00,880
decision that's good for both

4855
03:25:00,880 --> 03:25:02,479
communities. I'll stop talking. Thank

4856
03:25:02,479 --> 03:25:03,439
you for your time.

4857
03:25:03,439 --> 03:25:06,080
>> Thank you, Jim. Appreciate you coming.

4858
03:25:06,080 --> 03:25:08,720
>> Uh after Jim, I had Heather Miller,

4859
03:25:08,720 --> 03:25:12,080
Charlie Anderson, and Tia Young.

4860
03:25:12,080 --> 03:25:12,560
>> Hello.

4861
03:25:12,560 --> 03:25:13,200
>> Hi, Heather.

4862
03:25:13,200 --> 03:25:15,359
>> I am Heather Miller. Um resident of

4863
03:25:15,359 --> 03:25:18,239
Maple Mapleton. I'm actually Jim's wife.

4864
03:25:18,239 --> 03:25:19,680
don't know how we ended up right behind

4865
03:25:19,680 --> 03:25:21,520
each other in line or I ended up behind

4866
03:25:21,520 --> 03:25:22,880
him. I'm not I don't know how that

4867
03:25:22,880 --> 03:25:25,760
happened. Um regardless, a couple of

4868
03:25:25,760 --> 03:25:27,040
questions here. One of the things that

4869
03:25:27,040 --> 03:25:29,120
is a little concerning to me is, you

4870
03:25:29,120 --> 03:25:31,840
know, I have watched um the council

4871
03:25:31,840 --> 03:25:33,600
meeting as well as the planning

4872
03:25:33,600 --> 03:25:36,640
commission meetings um and attended

4873
03:25:36,640 --> 03:25:38,560
between the two of us attended two of

4874
03:25:38,560 --> 03:25:41,439
the three open houses with valition. Um,

4875
03:25:41,439 --> 03:25:43,439
one of the concern concerns for me in

4876
03:25:43,439 --> 03:25:45,120
particular, and I think it's it's been

4877
03:25:45,120 --> 03:25:47,359
mentioned by others in a similar way, is

4878
03:25:47,359 --> 03:25:49,040
that the numbers keep moving. The

4879
03:25:49,040 --> 03:25:50,640
numbers were being presented with by

4880
03:25:50,640 --> 03:25:53,680
abolition. Again, um, they're minor

4881
03:25:53,680 --> 03:25:55,120
discrepancies, but again, because

4882
03:25:55,120 --> 03:25:57,359
they're moving, it is creating some

4883
03:25:57,359 --> 03:26:00,160
worry. And so, I do want to ask that you

4884
03:26:00,160 --> 03:26:02,720
do your due diligence on your part and

4885
03:26:02,720 --> 03:26:04,479
actually scrutinize those numbers, have

4886
03:26:04,479 --> 03:26:06,800
them independently verified by somebody

4887
03:26:06,800 --> 03:26:08,720
that's not hired by valition if

4888
03:26:08,720 --> 03:26:11,040
possible. Um, one of the numbers

4889
03:26:11,040 --> 03:26:12,960
presented tonight, you know, at the

4890
03:26:12,960 --> 03:26:14,800
planning commission meeting and city

4891
03:26:14,800 --> 03:26:18,479
council meeting, um, the 500,000 gallons

4892
03:26:18,479 --> 03:26:21,680
is accurate and has remained consistent,

4893
03:26:21,680 --> 03:26:23,920
but the 250,000galon

4894
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:27,120
number has actually changed slightly in

4895
03:26:27,120 --> 03:26:29,680
that it initially described a refill.

4896
03:26:29,680 --> 03:26:32,319
Today, it's describing a, you know, the

4897
03:26:32,319 --> 03:26:33,920
humidity output. It's needed for

4898
03:26:33,920 --> 03:26:36,880
humidity in in their facility. So, which

4899
03:26:36,880 --> 03:26:40,239
is it? And is there 250,000 for humidity

4900
03:26:40,239 --> 03:26:44,319
plus 250,000 for eventual refills? Do

4901
03:26:44,319 --> 03:26:45,520
you see what I'm saying? Like there are

4902
03:26:45,520 --> 03:26:47,439
some discrepancies in the numbers that

4903
03:26:47,439 --> 03:26:51,520
are being pushed out um to to us that's

4904
03:26:51,520 --> 03:26:53,279
available to the public. So I would just

4905
03:26:53,279 --> 03:26:55,279
ask that you really do look at that and

4906
03:26:55,279 --> 03:26:57,200
scrutinize those numbers, please. And

4907
03:26:57,200 --> 03:27:00,000
then um in regards to the decibels, that

4908
03:27:00,000 --> 03:27:01,760
is one thing that I personally brought

4909
03:27:01,760 --> 03:27:04,640
up with Valition at their open house.

4910
03:27:04,640 --> 03:27:09,359
Um, again, 58 dB sounds minor. Um, the

4911
03:27:09,359 --> 03:27:10,880
numbers that keep being presented and

4912
03:27:10,880 --> 03:27:12,319
how they sound are all being presented

4913
03:27:12,319 --> 03:27:13,680
during the day. I want to know what that

4914
03:27:13,680 --> 03:27:15,920
sounds like at 3:00 a.m. Um, and that's

4915
03:27:15,920 --> 03:27:18,239
something I have asked from them. The

4916
03:27:18,239 --> 03:27:20,319
World Health Organization does say

4917
03:27:20,319 --> 03:27:22,560
anything between 35 and 40 is acceptable

4918
03:27:22,560 --> 03:27:24,880
for the night. This 50 is still above

4919
03:27:24,880 --> 03:27:27,120
that number. And so, just keeping that

4920
03:27:27,120 --> 03:27:29,760
in mind. I don't I don't know what tests

4921
03:27:29,760 --> 03:27:31,200
are being conducted at this point, what

4922
03:27:31,200 --> 03:27:33,200
it actually sounds like. we live a half

4923
03:27:33,200 --> 03:27:36,080
a mile from this place. Um so that is

4924
03:27:36,080 --> 03:27:39,040
one thing I would love for you to keep

4925
03:27:39,040 --> 03:27:41,279
in mind and maybe question a little bit

4926
03:27:41,279 --> 03:27:44,800
more. And then um one of the things that

4927
03:27:44,800 --> 03:27:46,880
has been brought up in the council

4928
03:27:46,880 --> 03:27:48,319
meeting as well as with Valition in

4929
03:27:48,319 --> 03:27:49,920
their open house is a governance board.

4930
03:27:49,920 --> 03:27:52,080
And I would ask that even regardless of

4931
03:27:52,080 --> 03:27:55,279
where you live in this city um whether

4932
03:27:55,279 --> 03:27:56,800
you're on the Mapleton side or Spanish

4933
03:27:56,800 --> 03:27:58,800
Fork side that you consider residents of

4934
03:27:58,800 --> 03:28:00,319
Mapleton as well to be a part of that

4935
03:28:00,319 --> 03:28:02,000
governance board that is going to hold

4936
03:28:02,000 --> 03:28:04,000
them accountable um to the things that

4937
03:28:04,000 --> 03:28:07,120
they are promising. Um and I'm running

4938
03:28:07,120 --> 03:28:09,200
out of time unfortunately so that's

4939
03:28:09,200 --> 03:28:11,359
where I'll end but thank you. Thank you,

4940
03:28:11,359 --> 03:28:15,359
Heather. Appreciate that.

4941
03:28:15,359 --> 03:28:17,680
>> Hi, my name is Tia Young. Um, I lived in

4942
03:28:17,680 --> 03:28:18,960
Spanish Fork all growing up and I

4943
03:28:18,960 --> 03:28:20,640
currently live also in Harmony Ridge

4944
03:28:20,640 --> 03:28:22,399
just across the highway from the

4945
03:28:22,399 --> 03:28:24,479
proposed data center. Um, I do want to

4946
03:28:24,479 --> 03:28:26,080
say I appreciate the respect Jeff and

4947
03:28:26,080 --> 03:28:28,080
Valition has shown. Um, I appreciate

4948
03:28:28,080 --> 03:28:29,439
their openness also to give back to the

4949
03:28:29,439 --> 03:28:30,960
community. I think that's great. I wish

4950
03:28:30,960 --> 03:28:32,399
that the larger companies across the

4951
03:28:32,399 --> 03:28:34,319
country had this same interest in mind

4952
03:28:34,319 --> 03:28:36,000
um to limit these negative effects on

4953
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:38,399
cities. However, I also agree with what

4954
03:28:38,399 --> 03:28:40,880
everyone here has said today um that

4955
03:28:40,880 --> 03:28:42,960
valition prevents presents many

4956
03:28:42,960 --> 03:28:44,479
appealing promises, but at the end of

4957
03:28:44,479 --> 03:28:46,800
the day, they are still just promises um

4958
03:28:46,800 --> 03:28:50,000
with um not backed by quantifiable data.

4959
03:28:50,000 --> 03:28:51,760
And I'll refrain from repeating what

4960
03:28:51,760 --> 03:28:53,279
other people have said, but I do want to

4961
03:28:53,279 --> 03:28:56,080
say um Jeff himself mentioned that many

4962
03:28:56,080 --> 03:28:57,760
people have used the phrase, if this

4963
03:28:57,760 --> 03:28:59,279
works out, it will be great. First of

4964
03:28:59,279 --> 03:29:00,479
all, I don't think anyone has said that

4965
03:29:00,479 --> 03:29:03,040
here today. Um, but I would say that's a

4966
03:29:03,040 --> 03:29:04,880
really really big if because if it does

4967
03:29:04,880 --> 03:29:06,960
not work out, it is our health and our

4968
03:29:06,960 --> 03:29:08,560
community that is at stake and you guys

4969
03:29:08,560 --> 03:29:10,160
already know those potential hazards as

4970
03:29:10,160 --> 03:29:12,319
people have said. Um, thus if this

4971
03:29:12,319 --> 03:29:14,319
proposal does go through, I echo what

4972
03:29:14,319 --> 03:29:16,479
others have said to include in writing

4973
03:29:16,479 --> 03:29:18,720
clear and specific restrictions um and

4974
03:29:18,720 --> 03:29:20,399
the corresponding penalties that will be

4975
03:29:20,399 --> 03:29:21,760
enacted if they fail to meet these

4976
03:29:21,760 --> 03:29:23,359
requirements. And in my opinion,

4977
03:29:23,359 --> 03:29:25,359
increased fees are not a satisfactory

4978
03:29:25,359 --> 03:29:28,399
measures of those um things. And

4979
03:29:28,399 --> 03:29:29,760
ultimately, I still do not support any

4980
03:29:29,760 --> 03:29:31,680
proposed data centers until these thor

4981
03:29:31,680 --> 03:29:33,680
thorough, quantifiable, verifiable, and

4982
03:29:33,680 --> 03:29:35,359
repeatable studies have been conducted

4983
03:29:35,359 --> 03:29:37,200
to determine the reality of these

4984
03:29:37,200 --> 03:29:38,960
consequences on our communities. Thank

4985
03:29:38,960 --> 03:29:39,439
you.

4986
03:29:39,439 --> 03:29:40,319
>> Thank you.

4987
03:29:40,319 --> 03:29:42,239
to you,

4988
03:29:42,239 --> 03:29:43,760
>> Cherry Anderson. I don't know if we

4989
03:29:43,760 --> 03:29:45,439
missed you, but if you're still here,

4990
03:29:45,439 --> 03:29:48,080
you're welcome to come up. Don Young and

4991
03:29:48,080 --> 03:29:51,040
Nora Newer.

4992
03:29:51,040 --> 03:29:51,920
Thank you.

4993
03:29:51,920 --> 03:29:53,840
>> Uh my name is Sher Anderson. I've lived

4994
03:29:53,840 --> 03:29:57,120
in Spanish Fork for 19 years and I live

4995
03:29:57,120 --> 03:29:59,359
not far from where the data center is

4996
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:01,920
being proposed. Um I have concerns about

4997
03:30:01,920 --> 03:30:03,600
the validity of the claims by the tech

4998
03:30:03,600 --> 03:30:04,960
company that the center won't cause

4999
03:30:04,960 --> 03:30:07,359
pollution or water shortages. Uh partly

5000
03:30:07,359 --> 03:30:08,880
because the financial fines or

5001
03:30:08,880 --> 03:30:11,439
consequences um they're meaningless to

5002
03:30:11,439 --> 03:30:12,880
billionaires and big tech companies.

5003
03:30:12,880 --> 03:30:15,200
They rely upon our inability to

5004
03:30:15,200 --> 03:30:18,479
comprehend the vastness of their wealth.

5005
03:30:18,479 --> 03:30:20,399
Um it would amount to slaps on the

5006
03:30:20,399 --> 03:30:23,520
wrist. Um, you know, fines just really

5007
03:30:23,520 --> 03:30:25,120
don't really matter that much to

5008
03:30:25,120 --> 03:30:26,560
businesses that have that much money.

5009
03:30:26,560 --> 03:30:29,439
Um, and Spanish Fork, you know, maybe it

5010
03:30:29,439 --> 03:30:31,439
seems like an easy bark. I you don't

5011
03:30:31,439 --> 03:30:33,920
have to go far to hear what people think

5012
03:30:33,920 --> 03:30:37,600
of people in Spanish Fork of being Hicks

5013
03:30:37,600 --> 03:30:42,880
or whatever kind of thing. So, um, but I hope that maybe that's been challenged

5014
03:30:42,880 --> 03:30:44,880
a little bit by a lot of the really

5015
03:30:44,880 --> 03:30:46,880
intelligent um, arguments that have been

5016
03:30:46,880 --> 03:30:50,000
made here today. So, um I'm a little bit

5017
03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:51,600
skeptical of the benefits to Spanish

5018
03:30:51,600 --> 03:30:55,120
Fork, um as far as just AI in general.

5019
03:30:55,120 --> 03:30:56,960
And I realize everybody thinks that AI

5020
03:30:56,960 --> 03:30:58,880
is inevitable and that we're all going

5021
03:30:58,880 --> 03:31:01,520
to have it be taken over. Um the purpose

5022
03:31:01,520 --> 03:31:03,439
of AI is to eliminate the need for big

5023
03:31:03,439 --> 03:31:07,600
companies to hire people. Um some

5024
03:31:07,600 --> 03:31:10,479
businesses, um billionaire Sam Alman

5025
03:31:10,479 --> 03:31:12,479
envisions making humans rent

5026
03:31:12,479 --> 03:31:14,560
intelligence from him like a utility.

5027
03:31:14,560 --> 03:31:16,560
Um, all of that may be inevitable, but

5028
03:31:16,560 --> 03:31:18,000
I'm not interested in helping it along

5029
03:31:18,000 --> 03:31:20,479
with a data center in spitting distance

5030
03:31:20,479 --> 03:31:22,800
of my house. Um, I'm aware of the

5031
03:31:22,800 --> 03:31:26,479
possibility um that a lot may have been

5032
03:31:26,479 --> 03:31:31,040
promised to Spanish Fork and maybe even some of you individually if

5033
03:31:31,040 --> 03:31:32,640
we can get this over the finish line.

5034
03:31:32,640 --> 03:31:34,960
Um, but I hope that you really do take

5035
03:31:34,960 --> 03:31:37,680
into account the the wishes of the

5036
03:31:37,680 --> 03:31:39,680
citizens of Spanish Fork um in the

5037
03:31:39,680 --> 03:31:42,160
process of all this. I do appreciate all

5038
03:31:42,160 --> 03:31:44,880
of the um all of the things that

5039
03:31:44,880 --> 03:31:47,520
Volition has been um I think that's the

5040
03:31:47,520 --> 03:31:49,359
name of the company, I'm sorry. Um that

5041
03:31:49,359 --> 03:31:50,720
they that they're saying that they will

5042
03:31:50,720 --> 03:31:53,279
do to make it um a better data center

5043
03:31:53,279 --> 03:31:54,880
than what we've heard about like in Box

5044
03:31:54,880 --> 03:31:56,800
Elder. Um but I have the same concerns

5045
03:31:56,800 --> 03:31:59,040
as others of of who might buy it out and

5046
03:31:59,040 --> 03:32:01,760
what what they'll do with with even less

5047
03:32:01,760 --> 03:32:04,960
um concern for small things like fines

5048
03:32:04,960 --> 03:32:06,800
that are easy for them to pay. That's

5049
03:32:06,800 --> 03:32:07,439
it.

5050
03:32:07,439 --> 03:32:11,910
>> Thank you, Sher. Thank you.

5051
03:32:11,920 --> 03:32:16,319
» Don Young and Nora New Miller.

5052
03:32:16,319 --> 03:32:18,319
>> Okay.

5053
03:32:18,319 --> 03:32:21,040
>> My name is Don Young. Uh I am a student

5054
03:32:21,040 --> 03:32:23,040
at Maple Mountain High School and a

5055
03:32:23,040 --> 03:32:25,680
resident of Spanish Fork. Ultimately

5056
03:32:25,680 --> 03:32:27,760
allowing any data centers in the city

5057
03:32:27,760 --> 03:32:31,120
will hurt its residents.

5058
03:32:31,120 --> 03:32:34,880
Uh let's see. This s um valition is

5059
03:32:34,880 --> 03:32:37,600
admirable admiraably interested in being

5060
03:32:37,600 --> 03:32:39,840
more eco-friendly especially if every

5061
03:32:39,840 --> 03:32:41,680
promise comes true. However, this

5062
03:32:41,680 --> 03:32:43,920
meeting has skated around an important

5063
03:32:43,920 --> 03:32:46,880
issue. The technology itself is the root

5064
03:32:46,880 --> 03:32:49,600
and what I find issue. The issue I and

5065
03:32:49,600 --> 03:32:52,399
many others are concerned about is LLMs.

5066
03:32:52,399 --> 03:32:54,720
It is a dangerous tool that is a threat

5067
03:32:54,720 --> 03:32:58,319
to learning and overall security. Um MIT

5068
03:32:58,319 --> 03:33:01,200
Media Lab found that quote brain only

5069
03:33:01,200 --> 03:33:03,520
participants exhibited the strongest

5070
03:33:03,520 --> 03:33:06,640
most distributed neural networks and LLM

5071
03:33:06,640 --> 03:33:09,439
users displayed the weakest connectivity

5072
03:33:09,439 --> 03:33:11,840
or in my own words it weakens critical

5073
03:33:11,840 --> 03:33:14,479
thinking skills. This is a risk not only

5074
03:33:14,479 --> 03:33:17,600
now but in the future as this technology

5075
03:33:17,600 --> 03:33:20,239
has been pushed further. Supporting this

5076
03:33:20,239 --> 03:33:22,560
proposal furthers an attack on

5077
03:33:22,560 --> 03:33:25,200
education. These companies want a

5078
03:33:25,200 --> 03:33:27,680
further reliance on this technology and

5079
03:33:27,680 --> 03:33:30,080
this proposal gives them more power.

5080
03:33:30,080 --> 03:33:31,920
These companies want to decrease our

5081
03:33:31,920 --> 03:33:36,000
cognitive ability and the and

5082
03:33:36,000 --> 03:33:38,640
um are motivated by profit. In addition,

5083
03:33:38,640 --> 03:33:40,479
it has been a main contributor to the

5084
03:33:40,479 --> 03:33:42,800
current unemployment crisis including

5085
03:33:42,800 --> 03:33:45,439
residents of Spanish Fork. This proposal

5086
03:33:45,439 --> 03:33:48,560
is not um in support of residents or in

5087
03:33:48,560 --> 03:33:50,720
the long run the city. It is primarily

5088
03:33:50,720 --> 03:33:53,120
concerned about company profits. The

5089
03:33:53,120 --> 03:33:54,800
real issue I think we all need to be

5090
03:33:54,800 --> 03:33:57,040
asking is what is this AI being used

5091
03:33:57,040 --> 03:34:00,880
for? This is a net negative. Zero AI

5092
03:34:00,880 --> 03:34:02,399
data centers should be allowed in

5093
03:34:02,399 --> 03:34:04,319
Spanish work. Thank you.

5094
03:34:04,319 --> 03:34:05,040
>> Thank you Dan.

5095
03:34:05,040 --> 03:34:09,190
>> Thank you.

5096
03:34:09,200 --> 03:34:11,840
» Hi to everybody. My name is Noran Miller

5097
03:34:11,840 --> 03:34:14,479
and resident four years here and I was

5098
03:34:14,479 --> 03:34:16,479
gone for a year and I back a few months

5099
03:34:16,479 --> 03:34:20,560
ago and I noticed a change in the city

5100
03:34:20,560 --> 03:34:23,200
and from four year for a year and a half

5101
03:34:23,200 --> 03:34:25,840
ago. So it's changing is growing the

5102
03:34:25,840 --> 03:34:30,000
city and I remember meeting when

5103
03:34:30,000 --> 03:34:32,239
Mr. parents on one time when I moved to

5104
03:34:32,239 --> 03:34:34,479
the city to talk about things I see in

5105
03:34:34,479 --> 03:34:37,359
the city how is these things work and

5106
03:34:37,359 --> 03:34:40,160
now a friend told me about this meeting

5107
03:34:40,160 --> 03:34:43,120
I wasn't aware what was happening and I

5108
03:34:43,120 --> 03:34:45,359
came last week one of the presentations

5109
03:34:45,359 --> 03:34:48,160
and I was impressed uh how they did it

5110
03:34:48,160 --> 03:34:51,600
how they presented well done and all the

5111
03:34:51,600 --> 03:34:53,840
questions they trying they seem like

5112
03:34:53,840 --> 03:34:55,920
they are concerned and they they want to

5113
03:34:55,920 --> 03:34:58,960
reach to answer to everybody and you

5114
03:34:58,960 --> 03:35:00,720
guys were looking this for a few months

5115
03:35:00,720 --> 03:35:02,800
already too. The way it sounds, that's

5116
03:35:02,800 --> 03:35:06,399
what I understood. Um I I see the

5117
03:35:06,399 --> 03:35:08,800
concerns of the citizens, the residents

5118
03:35:08,800 --> 03:35:11,600
in Spanish Fork and the Mapleton because

5119
03:35:11,600 --> 03:35:14,160
they will be too affected.

5120
03:35:14,160 --> 03:35:16,080
One of my concerns is because with the

5121
03:35:16,080 --> 03:35:17,840
way they present is great the way

5122
03:35:17,840 --> 03:35:20,399
they're doing because sounds like it

5123
03:35:20,399 --> 03:35:22,800
won't hurt as much if you guys put

5124
03:35:22,800 --> 03:35:25,439
something else. Uh my concern is voting

5125
03:35:25,439 --> 03:35:29,439
for the two data centers. Why two?

5126
03:35:29,439 --> 03:35:32,880
Please, if you approve, don't do two.

5127
03:35:32,880 --> 03:35:36,160
Uh later if the company because

5128
03:35:36,160 --> 03:35:38,000
everybody invest and they're looking in

5129
03:35:38,000 --> 03:35:40,000
the future, but who knows? Did they sell

5130
03:35:40,000 --> 03:35:42,560
it? Like somebody mentioned that can

5131
03:35:42,560 --> 03:35:45,359
bring a new owner on new things that

5132
03:35:45,359 --> 03:35:48,319
need to have restrictions, a lot of

5133
03:35:48,319 --> 03:35:51,520
restrictions before they do that. The

5134
03:35:51,520 --> 03:35:53,920
city council, please take a good look.

5135
03:35:53,920 --> 03:35:56,479
What are you doing? If you not prove

5136
03:35:56,479 --> 03:35:58,479
this business,

5137
03:35:58,479 --> 03:36:00,560
what are you will bring there? And

5138
03:36:00,560 --> 03:36:02,800
that's a concern too. Everybody's

5139
03:36:02,800 --> 03:36:05,520
talking about the trucks, talking about

5140
03:36:05,520 --> 03:36:08,239
uh a distribution when a lot of trucks

5141
03:36:08,239 --> 03:36:10,880
and that concerns me because already my

5142
03:36:10,880 --> 03:36:13,439
house is too close to the six and I see

5143
03:36:13,439 --> 03:36:15,439
the traffic. I see so many accidents

5144
03:36:15,439 --> 03:36:17,840
happening.

5145
03:36:17,840 --> 03:36:21,120
the permits and zoning, how is how how

5146
03:36:21,120 --> 03:36:24,080
is changing because the zoning if you

5147
03:36:24,080 --> 03:36:26,479
guys change zoning and permits that can

5148
03:36:26,479 --> 03:36:28,560
affect in a lot of things for later for

5149
03:36:28,560 --> 03:36:31,040
other businesses. So in the long run we

5150
03:36:31,040 --> 03:36:33,600
need to be careful about that. The

5151
03:36:33,600 --> 03:36:36,399
residents should have a voice. I I'm so

5152
03:36:36,399 --> 03:36:39,040
concerned because one of the residents

5153
03:36:39,040 --> 03:36:41,439
mentioned that why they don't invite to

5154
03:36:41,439 --> 03:36:43,680
their residents to be participating

5155
03:36:43,680 --> 03:36:47,439
more. I have a question about this. I

5156
03:36:47,439 --> 03:36:50,239
moved recently. Like I say, I wasn't in

5157
03:36:50,239 --> 03:36:53,439
uh around much, but the inland port in

5158
03:36:53,439 --> 03:36:56,160
Spanish for it was approved without the

5159
03:36:56,160 --> 03:36:58,160
residents

5160
03:36:58,160 --> 03:37:00,080
vote.

5161
03:37:00,080 --> 03:37:02,720
I had a question because I wasn't a I

5162
03:37:02,720 --> 03:37:06,000
wasn't here. So, if it was, you can see

5163
03:37:06,000 --> 03:37:10,000
it's already over there a lot of

5164
03:37:10,000 --> 03:37:12,000
uh industrial development in that area

5165
03:37:12,000 --> 03:37:14,960
on the other side of the 15. So, please

5166
03:37:14,960 --> 03:37:17,600
take a look there and see what are you

5167
03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:19,200
doing. Thank you.

5168
03:37:19,200 --> 03:37:21,600
>> Thank you, Nora. Appreciate it.

5169
03:37:21,600 --> 03:37:24,560
>> Uh, next I have Zack Zack Davis, Reed

5170
03:37:24,560 --> 03:37:27,840
Warner, and James Westwwater. Zack Reed

5171
03:37:27,840 --> 03:37:32,469
and James.

5172
03:37:32,479 --> 03:37:34,880
» Hi, my name is Zach Davis. I am a

5173
03:37:34,880 --> 03:37:37,680
resident of Salem City. Um, I have two

5174
03:37:37,680 --> 03:37:40,239
main concerns about the zoning

5175
03:37:40,239 --> 03:37:41,600
amendment, but first, I'd like to make a

5176
03:37:41,600 --> 03:37:43,600
request of the council. We have heard so

5177
03:37:43,600 --> 03:37:44,960
many public comments specifically about

5178
03:37:44,960 --> 03:37:46,479
the data center itself, about data

5179
03:37:46,479 --> 03:37:48,239
centers by and large, but not about the

5180
03:37:48,239 --> 03:37:50,319
zoning amendment. But I think in the

5181
03:37:50,319 --> 03:37:52,800
context of this public hearing, we have

5182
03:37:52,800 --> 03:37:55,120
to weigh comments about this valition

5183
03:37:55,120 --> 03:37:57,520
data center to the amendment. This

5184
03:37:57,520 --> 03:38:00,560
amendment is very much so sponsoring

5185
03:38:00,560 --> 03:38:02,880
valition adjacent data centers. These

5186
03:38:02,880 --> 03:38:05,040
questions and like interrogations of the

5187
03:38:05,040 --> 03:38:06,880
valition data center will come up again

5188
03:38:06,880 --> 03:38:08,560
and again and again with other proposed

5189
03:38:08,560 --> 03:38:10,640
data centers if this amendment is to be

5190
03:38:10,640 --> 03:38:12,239
passed. And I think those comments need

5191
03:38:12,239 --> 03:38:14,160
to be weighed on the same ground. But

5192
03:38:14,160 --> 03:38:16,160
first, I want to talk about competition.

5193
03:38:16,160 --> 03:38:18,160
The way this amendment is written

5194
03:38:18,160 --> 03:38:20,239
annexes out many different types of data

5195
03:38:20,239 --> 03:38:22,319
centers. I'm not here to like spout my

5196
03:38:22,319 --> 03:38:24,399
own opinions on digital infrastructure

5197
03:38:24,399 --> 03:38:26,319
or data centers and whether we should

5198
03:38:26,319 --> 03:38:28,319
have them. But this is driving out the

5199
03:38:28,319 --> 03:38:30,560
opportunity for other data center

5200
03:38:30,560 --> 03:38:31,760
companies to come in. We're getting rid

5201
03:38:31,760 --> 03:38:33,279
of combustion and most importantly,

5202
03:38:33,279 --> 03:38:34,319
we're getting rid of the grid

5203
03:38:34,319 --> 03:38:36,560
connection. When Mr. Chavez spoke

5204
03:38:36,560 --> 03:38:38,560
earlier today. He specifically mentioned

5205
03:38:38,560 --> 03:38:40,880
that a data center of this size has not

5206
03:38:40,880 --> 03:38:43,680
been sustained solely on cell fuel

5207
03:38:43,680 --> 03:38:45,920
cells. How are we supposed to know it's

5208
03:38:45,920 --> 03:38:47,760
going to work? The amendment they wrote

5209
03:38:47,760 --> 03:38:49,760
could potentially annex their own model

5210
03:38:49,760 --> 03:38:52,080
and any other model from coming in

5211
03:38:52,080 --> 03:38:53,600
because it might not be sustainable for

5212
03:38:53,600 --> 03:38:55,359
years to come. We cannot pass an

5213
03:38:55,359 --> 03:38:57,680
amendment when we do not know if it will

5214
03:38:57,680 --> 03:38:59,680
even be workable in the end. The second

5215
03:38:59,680 --> 03:39:01,200
is I want to talk about the rhetoric of

5216
03:39:01,200 --> 03:39:04,479
valition. I honor a lot of the public

5217
03:39:04,479 --> 03:39:06,160
comment about how it's admirable about

5218
03:39:06,160 --> 03:39:07,359
what they're doing, but I think

5219
03:39:07,359 --> 03:39:09,359
ultimately it more so reflects wanting

5220
03:39:09,359 --> 03:39:11,120
to get past and wanting it to get passed

5221
03:39:11,120 --> 03:39:14,000
now. I think the public hearings while

5222
03:39:14,000 --> 03:39:16,239
admirable are ultimately hollow. They

5223
03:39:16,239 --> 03:39:18,479
rally public cry and then when they

5224
03:39:18,479 --> 03:39:19,840
found out that people with Spanish Fork

5225
03:39:19,840 --> 03:39:21,359
didn't buy this kind of greenwashing

5226
03:39:21,359 --> 03:39:23,120
that they were selling, they moved to

5227
03:39:23,120 --> 03:39:24,720
push it. I don't think that is in good

5228
03:39:24,720 --> 03:39:27,040
faith. I think that is because they

5229
03:39:27,040 --> 03:39:28,720
didn't get the outcome they wanted. I

5230
03:39:28,720 --> 03:39:30,319
think this promise of money to the

5231
03:39:30,319 --> 03:39:32,080
community is helpful and it is good and

5232
03:39:32,080 --> 03:39:34,080
that it isn't bad, but I think it takes

5233
03:39:34,080 --> 03:39:36,080
away from the focus of what this is

5234
03:39:36,080 --> 03:39:37,439
about. And it's the same thing with

5235
03:39:37,439 --> 03:39:38,800
their framing of this versus the

5236
03:39:38,800 --> 03:39:40,800
trucking distribution center. It's not

5237
03:39:40,800 --> 03:39:42,800
that we are weighing this data center as

5238
03:39:42,800 --> 03:39:44,319
is it good for the people of Spanish

5239
03:39:44,319 --> 03:39:46,560
Fork. Is it good on its own? We're

5240
03:39:46,560 --> 03:39:51,600
weighing it as a a better of two evils, that will reinvest

5241
03:39:51,600 --> 03:39:53,520
in the community. We're not being asked

5242
03:39:53,520 --> 03:39:55,200
as citizens to evaluate whether this is

5243
03:39:55,200 --> 03:39:58,319
a good project. We're being asked to

5244
03:39:58,319 --> 03:40:00,560
succumb to the less of two evils and

5245
03:40:00,560 --> 03:40:02,640
just accept it because what else are we

5246
03:40:02,640 --> 03:40:05,439
to do? And

5247
03:40:05,439 --> 03:40:06,880
ultimately, I just do not believe we

5248
03:40:06,880 --> 03:40:08,319
should be trusting an organization that

5249
03:40:08,319 --> 03:40:09,760
keeps shifting the goalpost. And this

5250
03:40:09,760 --> 03:40:10,960
has been echoed by other public

5251
03:40:10,960 --> 03:40:12,560
commenters.

5252
03:40:12,560 --> 03:40:14,800
Numbers are shifting. Ideation is

5253
03:40:14,800 --> 03:40:16,319
changing. Specifically, when I went to

5254
03:40:16,319 --> 03:40:18,000
the public hearing, I asked about the

5255
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:19,520
partnership with Bloom Energy and their

5256
03:40:19,520 --> 03:40:22,080
EPA fines for leaking benzene into the

5257
03:40:22,080 --> 03:40:23,840
ground in their manufacturing sites. I

5258
03:40:23,840 --> 03:40:25,359
was initially told in front of everyone

5259
03:40:25,359 --> 03:40:26,880
that it didn't matter because it was

5260
03:40:26,880 --> 03:40:28,160
about the production of the fuel cell

5261
03:40:28,160 --> 03:40:30,399
the fuel cells themselves, not about the

5262
03:40:30,399 --> 03:40:32,080
actual use of them. When I went to Mr.

5263
03:40:32,080 --> 03:40:33,520
Chavez after, he told me it was a

5264
03:40:33,520 --> 03:40:35,439
question of efficiency. I don't think we

5265
03:40:35,439 --> 03:40:37,600
should be weighing city policy based

5266
03:40:37,600 --> 03:40:39,760
upon a goal shifting organization.

5267
03:40:39,760 --> 03:40:41,439
>> Thank you. Thank you, Zach.

5268
03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:48,630
>> Thank you.

5269
03:40:48,640 --> 03:40:51,920
» Good evening. Reed Warner, Spanish fork

5270
03:40:51,920 --> 03:40:56,399
lifelong. So that puts me at 55. So I've

5271
03:40:56,399 --> 03:40:57,680
been here a while.

5272
03:40:57,680 --> 03:40:59,439
>> Go class of 89 Reed

5273
03:40:59,439 --> 03:41:03,359
>> right there. So the microphone closer.

5274
03:41:03,359 --> 03:41:05,680
>> You bet. You can't hear me. Most people

5275
03:41:05,680 --> 03:41:10,640
tell me to be quiet. So thank you. Um

5276
03:41:10,640 --> 03:41:12,880
I'm probably on the opposite, not quite

5277
03:41:12,880 --> 03:41:14,800
the opposite, but a little different

5278
03:41:14,800 --> 03:41:17,760
take on some of this. That is I've

5279
03:41:17,760 --> 03:41:20,960
worked in IT for the last 30 years.

5280
03:41:20,960 --> 03:41:22,800
I've worked in data centers. I worked

5281
03:41:22,800 --> 03:41:25,840
out at the NSA data center. I've been

5282
03:41:25,840 --> 03:41:28,160
associated with some of these different

5283
03:41:28,160 --> 03:41:29,840
components.

5284
03:41:29,840 --> 03:41:33,200
Um, part of the questions that come up

5285
03:41:33,200 --> 03:41:35,520
are are the closed circuit. I would love

5286
03:41:35,520 --> 03:41:37,040
to learn more about the closed loop

5287
03:41:37,040 --> 03:41:39,200
that's actually being utilized. I've

5288
03:41:39,200 --> 03:41:42,000
never seen one or heard of one that

5289
03:41:42,000 --> 03:41:44,960
actually stayed closed and didn't have

5290
03:41:44,960 --> 03:41:48,239
to have resupply constantly

5291
03:41:48,239 --> 03:41:54,080
and some kind of evacuation. I love the example of of how it was pumped out

5292
03:41:54,080 --> 03:41:56,880
and then shipped. That's great. I think

5293
03:41:56,880 --> 03:41:58,399
there's just some things that need to

5294
03:41:58,399 --> 03:42:03,120
come back. One of the pieces that

5295
03:42:03,120 --> 03:42:05,279
approached me was the the discussion on

5296
03:42:05,279 --> 03:42:07,760
trust. And if there's anything I've ever

5297
03:42:07,760 --> 03:42:14,479
learned in 21 years in the military and a million other things is it's trust

5298
03:42:14,479 --> 03:42:17,600
but verify. And so I'm trusting that

5299
03:42:17,600 --> 03:42:19,920
what you're telling me is the truth. I

5300
03:42:19,920 --> 03:42:22,640
just want to see some validation of it.

5301
03:42:22,640 --> 03:42:25,920
And I think those are good things. I I

5302
03:42:25,920 --> 03:42:29,920
my other part is probably the valuation.

5303
03:42:29,920 --> 03:42:33,520
A $4 billion valuation that's great. The

5304
03:42:33,520 --> 03:42:36,479
depreciating assets not so great. And

5305
03:42:36,479 --> 03:42:38,239
how did that come about? And what's the

5306
03:42:38,239 --> 03:42:40,800
reality of it? Is that at full

5307
03:42:40,800 --> 03:42:43,040
production? And is full production in 10

5308
03:42:43,040 --> 03:42:45,120
years or is full production in one year

5309
03:42:45,120 --> 03:42:47,760
or year two? What does that look like?

5310
03:42:47,760 --> 03:42:51,680
What's that rolling time frame? Um the

5311
03:42:51,680 --> 03:42:54,560
other part that I had was

5312
03:42:54,560 --> 03:42:57,439
why the fast track? Why not the chance

5313
03:42:57,439 --> 03:43:02,479
to to really walk through it? I don't um

5314
03:43:02,479 --> 03:43:05,520
I honestly believe that this should be

5315
03:43:05,520 --> 03:43:08,720
tabled and there should be a longer

5316
03:43:08,720 --> 03:43:10,800
period for

5317
03:43:10,800 --> 03:43:12,960
the council members and others to read

5318
03:43:12,960 --> 03:43:14,720
through the the red lines and the

5319
03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:17,199
changes and a chance to have public

5320
03:43:17,199 --> 03:43:19,520
comment again on on the updated changes

5321
03:43:19,520 --> 03:43:22,000
to that. That's my my honest belief

5322
03:43:22,000 --> 03:43:24,640
right now. We don't know enough other

5323
03:43:24,640 --> 03:43:26,160
than

5324
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:28,640
what we saw very quickly run through

5325
03:43:28,640 --> 03:43:31,040
this. I couldn't read it that fast.

5326
03:43:31,040 --> 03:43:34,319
Maybe somebody else can. Um, so for me,

5327
03:43:34,319 --> 03:43:38,319
that's that's the biggest part. And then

5328
03:43:38,319 --> 03:43:43,110
going back to

5329
03:43:43,120 --> 03:43:45,040
we change it today, they're going to

5330
03:43:45,040 --> 03:43:47,359
change it in the future.

5331
03:43:47,359 --> 03:43:49,520
So whatever we do here today, we have to

5332
03:43:49,520 --> 03:43:52,160
realize is going to get changed in the

5333
03:43:52,160 --> 03:43:54,960
future. So how do you fix or prepare for

5334
03:43:54,960 --> 03:43:55,920
that?

5335
03:43:55,920 --> 03:43:56,800
>> Thank you.

5336
03:43:56,800 --> 03:43:58,960
Reed. Appreciate that.

5337
03:43:58,960 --> 03:44:01,359
>> I should have Jim Jim, while you're

5338
03:44:01,359 --> 03:44:03,279
coming up here, uh I think that's a good

5339
03:44:03,279 --> 03:44:05,840
point that Reed brought up. The the

5340
03:44:05,840 --> 03:44:08,640
documents I think that have been showed

5341
03:44:08,640 --> 03:44:11,199
here today are in the agenda packet. So,

5342
03:44:11,199 --> 03:44:13,279
we should be able to find those not

5343
03:44:13,279 --> 03:44:14,960
having to search too far, but just

5344
03:44:14,960 --> 03:44:17,120
search the meeting tonight and you

5345
03:44:17,120 --> 03:44:19,520
should find everything that's presented

5346
03:44:19,520 --> 03:44:20,160
here.

5347
03:44:20,160 --> 03:44:22,800
>> Yeah. Those aren't the these aren't like

5348
03:44:22,800 --> 03:44:24,160
his presentation isn't in the packet

5349
03:44:24,160 --> 03:44:25,439
yet, but it'll be there within a couple

5350
03:44:25,439 --> 03:44:25,760
of days.

5351
03:44:25,760 --> 03:44:27,439
>> Oh, perfect. So, our our memo's in

5352
03:44:27,439 --> 03:44:28,960
there, but probably not that.

5353
03:44:28,960 --> 03:44:30,720
>> Yeah. Yep. It'll be there within a day

5354
03:44:30,720 --> 03:44:31,040
or two.

5355
03:44:31,040 --> 03:44:32,239
>> Perfect. Look for it in the day. Thank

5356
03:44:32,239 --> 03:44:33,279
you,

5357
03:44:33,279 --> 03:44:34,479
>> Jim. Yes.

5358
03:44:34,479 --> 03:44:37,439
>> I'm Dr. James Westwwater, a 20 plus year

5359
03:44:37,439 --> 03:44:40,399
resident of Spanish Fork. I like living

5360
03:44:40,399 --> 03:44:43,120
here and think the city has been very

5361
03:44:43,120 --> 03:44:44,800
well-run.

5362
03:44:44,800 --> 03:44:48,880
Please don't spoil your record.

5363
03:44:48,880 --> 03:44:49,120
A

5364
03:44:49,120 --> 03:44:51,199
>> question for the audience. Please raise

5365
03:44:51,199 --> 03:44:53,520
your hand if you think bringing a data

5366
03:44:53,520 --> 03:44:55,359
center to Spanish.

5367
03:44:55,359 --> 03:44:57,359
>> Dr. Westwwater, we're we're not here to

5368
03:44:57,359 --> 03:45:01,439
you can address us, but you could pull the residents out outside

5369
03:45:01,439 --> 03:45:03,279
if you'd like, but okay. We we don't

5370
03:45:03,279 --> 03:45:04,960
want to again if there's people that are

5371
03:45:04,960 --> 03:45:06,319
here going to speak, we don't want them

5372
03:45:06,319 --> 03:45:08,640
to see hands and then not get up and

5373
03:45:08,640 --> 03:45:10,640
>> and speak to us. Okay. In in the way

5374
03:45:10,640 --> 03:45:11,920
they want to. Thank you.

5375
03:45:11,920 --> 03:45:15,279
>> Thank you. Um I live I'll live directly

5376
03:45:15,279 --> 03:45:18,640
downwind of this new proposed data

5377
03:45:18,640 --> 03:45:22,640
center AI data center. The renowned

5378
03:45:22,640 --> 03:45:26,319
four-star US Army general Omar Bradley

5379
03:45:26,319 --> 03:45:28,479
delivered his famous Armist to stay

5380
03:45:28,479 --> 03:45:33,359
address on November 10th of 1948

5381
03:45:33,359 --> 03:45:36,640
to the press club in Washington DC. Here

5382
03:45:36,640 --> 03:45:43,120
is the most famous and widely quoted section of the speech. Quote,

5383
03:45:43,120 --> 03:45:45,760
"Our knowledge of science has clearly

5384
03:45:45,760 --> 03:45:50,000
outstripped our capacity to control it.

5385
03:45:50,000 --> 03:45:53,199
We have many men of science, too few men

5386
03:45:53,199 --> 03:45:56,560
of God. We have grasped the mystery of

5387
03:45:56,560 --> 03:45:59,920
the atom and rejected the sermon on the

5388
03:45:59,920 --> 03:46:03,840
mount. The world has achieved brilliance

5389
03:46:03,840 --> 03:46:07,199
without wisdom, power without

5390
03:46:07,199 --> 03:46:08,960
conscience.

5391
03:46:08,960 --> 03:46:12,000
Ours is a world of nuclear giants and

5392
03:46:12,000 --> 03:46:15,920
ethical infants. We know more about war

5393
03:46:15,920 --> 03:46:18,960
than we know about peace. We know about

5394
03:46:18,960 --> 03:46:21,279
more about killing than we know about

5395
03:46:21,279 --> 03:46:25,359
living. If we continue to develop our

5396
03:46:25,359 --> 03:46:30,000
technology without wisdom, our servant

5397
03:46:30,000 --> 03:46:33,680
will become our executioner.

5398
03:46:33,680 --> 03:46:36,319
That's a literal quote from General

5399
03:46:36,319 --> 03:46:40,239
Fourstar General Omar Bradley. May city

5400
03:46:40,239 --> 03:46:42,960
council have the conscience and the

5401
03:46:42,960 --> 03:46:48,000
wisdom not to permit a data center data

5402
03:46:48,000 --> 03:46:51,439
center to be built in Spanish Fork. It

5403
03:46:51,439 --> 03:46:54,160
would be harmful to our health, the

5404
03:46:54,160 --> 03:46:56,399
health of the environment and the

5405
03:46:56,399 --> 03:46:59,199
quality of life on which we, our

5406
03:46:59,199 --> 03:47:02,800
children, nature and future and the

5407
03:47:02,800 --> 03:47:06,319
future depend. If you're interested,

5408
03:47:06,319 --> 03:47:09,040
please see me for a list of many reasons

5409
03:47:09,040 --> 03:47:12,960
why people oppose these data centers.

5410
03:47:12,960 --> 03:47:15,520
I'm provide I'll provide the list to

5411
03:47:15,520 --> 03:47:18,640
you. I I'm providing the list to all

5412
03:47:18,640 --> 03:47:21,199
city council members. And if you're

5413
03:47:21,199 --> 03:47:24,000
interested, see me afterwards and I can

5414
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:27,199
help you with u acquire this list. Thank

5415
03:47:27,199 --> 03:47:29,120
you very much for the privilege of

5416
03:47:29,120 --> 03:47:30,640
talking with you.

5417
03:47:30,640 --> 03:47:32,000
>> Thanks, James. Thanks for being here

5418
03:47:32,000 --> 03:47:33,120
tonight.

5419
03:47:33,120 --> 03:47:34,880
Okay. The next three that I have

5420
03:47:34,880 --> 03:47:36,960
addressing is Terresa Pierce, Rick

5421
03:47:36,960 --> 03:47:39,840
Josephson, and Paul Wood. Teresa, Rick,

5422
03:47:39,840 --> 03:47:53,110
and Paul.

5423
03:47:53,120 --> 03:47:55,199
» My name is Teresa Pierce. I'm a resident

5424
03:47:55,199 --> 03:47:57,600
of Spanish Fork. I live right next to

5425
03:47:57,600 --> 03:47:59,760
this proposed site. It is essentially in

5426
03:47:59,760 --> 03:48:01,680
my backyard. I have listened carefully

5427
03:48:01,680 --> 03:48:03,520
to all of the points and solutions that

5428
03:48:03,520 --> 03:48:05,840
Valition has put forward. We are told

5429
03:48:05,840 --> 03:48:07,600
that this data center will make us

5430
03:48:07,600 --> 03:48:09,120
pioneers.

5431
03:48:09,120 --> 03:48:11,120
Well, I don't feel like a pioneer. I

5432
03:48:11,120 --> 03:48:13,840
feel like a lab rat. Here's the thing

5433
03:48:13,840 --> 03:48:16,080
about pioneers. They choose their own

5434
03:48:16,080 --> 03:48:18,640
path. They take calculated risks and

5435
03:48:18,640 --> 03:48:20,560
make a decision not for others but for

5436
03:48:20,560 --> 03:48:22,640
themselves.

5437
03:48:22,640 --> 03:48:24,560
Lab rats are at the mercy of those who

5438
03:48:24,560 --> 03:48:27,040
rule over them. Each test conducted on a

5439
03:48:27,040 --> 03:48:29,760
lab rat is supposed to be beneficial and

5440
03:48:29,760 --> 03:48:33,279
supposedly backed by Rossy studies. Yet

5441
03:48:33,279 --> 03:48:35,760
there is a reason that we test on rats

5442
03:48:35,760 --> 03:48:38,800
and not on humans first.

5443
03:48:38,800 --> 03:48:40,319
Because no one wants to risk their

5444
03:48:40,319 --> 03:48:43,439
health on a promising experiment.

5445
03:48:43,439 --> 03:48:45,040
But isn't this exactly what we're doing

5446
03:48:45,040 --> 03:48:47,279
here? Local surveys already showed that

5447
03:48:47,279 --> 03:48:49,600
we don't want this. Valition has never

5448
03:48:49,600 --> 03:48:51,920
built a data center before. Sure, he has

5449
03:48:51,920 --> 03:48:53,920
some data claims and experience with

5450
03:48:53,920 --> 03:48:56,239
Bloom technology, but in reality, this

5451
03:48:56,239 --> 03:48:57,920
would be his first build and his first

5452
03:48:57,920 --> 03:49:01,120
location. To this, I say, let Spanish

5453
03:49:01,120 --> 03:49:04,239
Fork be the second location for Valition

5454
03:49:04,239 --> 03:49:07,840
and not the first. Let this experimental

5455
03:49:07,840 --> 03:49:09,680
first location be done somewhere else.

5456
03:49:09,680 --> 03:49:12,479
Let's watch and learn. It's also

5457
03:49:12,479 --> 03:49:14,160
important to note that many are already

5458
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:15,840
finding flaws and concerns regarding the

5459
03:49:15,840 --> 03:49:17,680
Rossy data we have been given. As we've

5460
03:49:17,680 --> 03:49:20,399
seen tonight, uh just a few the

5461
03:49:20,399 --> 03:49:23,279
frequencies cited by Valition come from

5462
03:49:23,279 --> 03:49:25,439
an incomplete study. Why are we already

5463
03:49:25,439 --> 03:49:27,760
passing numbers as facts when the study

5464
03:49:27,760 --> 03:49:29,920
is not even complete? It doesn't measure

5465
03:49:29,920 --> 03:49:32,560
all types of noise either. The data

5466
03:49:32,560 --> 03:49:34,640
around the truck traffic is also

5467
03:49:34,640 --> 03:49:37,439
questionable. Um Valition projected

5468
03:49:37,439 --> 03:49:40,319
truck volume based on the buildings uh

5469
03:49:40,319 --> 03:49:43,199
36 loading bays without actually

5470
03:49:43,199 --> 03:49:46,000
counting any real trucks. But here's my

5471
03:49:46,000 --> 03:49:48,720
big question for valition. If we who

5472
03:49:48,720 --> 03:49:51,439
live near the data center happen to have

5473
03:49:51,439 --> 03:49:54,000
health issues from the 247 frequencies,

5474
03:49:54,000 --> 03:49:56,239
if our home values plummet because no

5475
03:49:56,239 --> 03:49:58,160
one wants to buy a home from our from a

5476
03:49:58,160 --> 03:50:01,199
near a data center, is Valition willing

5477
03:50:01,199 --> 03:50:04,960
to compensate us? And if not, then any

5478
03:50:04,960 --> 03:50:06,960
money that the city receives, any of

5479
03:50:06,960 --> 03:50:09,439
these promises that make us happy, is

5480
03:50:09,439 --> 03:50:12,239
not actually a gift, but a tax stolen

5481
03:50:12,239 --> 03:50:14,160
disproportionately by those of us who

5482
03:50:14,160 --> 03:50:16,239
are near it, who had no say to begin

5483
03:50:16,239 --> 03:50:19,040
with. It may be true that maybe we need

5484
03:50:19,040 --> 03:50:21,199
data centers, but it is not true that we

5485
03:50:21,199 --> 03:50:24,080
need any in our backyard.

5486
03:50:24,080 --> 03:50:26,399
We all use the dump, but no one wants to

5487
03:50:26,399 --> 03:50:28,640
live by one, right? That's why we have

5488
03:50:28,640 --> 03:50:31,199
zoning laws. We have plenty of land

5489
03:50:31,199 --> 03:50:33,199
outside of city limits. Let's start

5490
03:50:33,199 --> 03:50:36,239
there. Please honor the true pioneer

5491
03:50:36,239 --> 03:50:38,880
spirit of Spanish Fork by allowing us as

5492
03:50:38,880 --> 03:50:41,199
a community to decide our own path

5493
03:50:41,199 --> 03:50:43,040
instead of building experimental

5494
03:50:43,040 --> 03:50:45,600
first-of-akind data centers because we

5495
03:50:45,600 --> 03:50:48,080
are not lab rats. Thank you.

5496
03:50:48,080 --> 03:50:56,710
>> Thank you, Teresa.

5497
03:50:56,720 --> 03:50:58,319
» Mayor, city council, thank you for your

5498
03:50:58,319 --> 03:51:02,800
time. All my u all of my thoughts have

5499
03:51:02,800 --> 03:51:04,800
been addressed but I'd like to add to

5500
03:51:04,800 --> 03:51:07,120
the gentleman here that about the closed

5501
03:51:07,120 --> 03:51:09,520
loop uh data center that he was

5502
03:51:09,520 --> 03:51:12,160
referring to. Uh the closed loop as you

5503
03:51:12,160 --> 03:51:14,720
understand is he's saying one and done.

5504
03:51:14,720 --> 03:51:17,760
It's not one and done. You and it you

5505
03:51:17,760 --> 03:51:21,279
have it has to be cleaned. Anifreeze

5506
03:51:21,279 --> 03:51:23,680
methyl

5507
03:51:23,680 --> 03:51:26,319
what do you say was filled with anyway?

5508
03:51:26,319 --> 03:51:28,720
It's anifreeze. That's what it is. It's

5509
03:51:28,720 --> 03:51:30,640
car antifreeze. It's is closed loop.

5510
03:51:30,640 --> 03:51:32,960
It's just like your car. It goes

5511
03:51:32,960 --> 03:51:34,560
antifreeze goes through your radiator,

5512
03:51:34,560 --> 03:51:36,479
goes to your car, pulls out the heat

5513
03:51:36,479 --> 03:51:38,399
into the radiator, and there's a fan

5514
03:51:38,399 --> 03:51:40,720
that does that. Somewhere there's got to

5515
03:51:40,720 --> 03:51:43,359
be fans or something to pull the heat

5516
03:51:43,359 --> 03:51:47,600
out of that um out of that anifreeze.

5517
03:51:47,600 --> 03:51:50,080
And in this fan, I have never met a

5518
03:51:50,080 --> 03:51:52,000
quiet fan. I don't know if you have

5519
03:51:52,000 --> 03:51:54,479
either, but they're they're noisy. And I

5520
03:51:54,479 --> 03:51:57,199
don't know what what that proposal was.

5521
03:51:57,199 --> 03:52:00,080
The other thing was uh if they had a

5522
03:52:00,080 --> 03:52:02,399
breach in the system that anifreeze

5523
03:52:02,399 --> 03:52:04,800
kills animals it kills a lot of things

5524
03:52:04,800 --> 03:52:06,160
and they are attracted to it because

5525
03:52:06,160 --> 03:52:07,840
it's a sweet taste. They want to drink

5526
03:52:07,840 --> 03:52:10,720
it and that Spanish Fork River where

5527
03:52:10,720 --> 03:52:12,160
dripping rock and all those beautiful

5528
03:52:12,160 --> 03:52:14,720
places are that water if that had a

5529
03:52:14,720 --> 03:52:17,120
breach and it's all downhill right to

5530
03:52:17,120 --> 03:52:19,600
that river. So I like to know if they're

5531
03:52:19,600 --> 03:52:21,760
going to propose a holding pond if that

5532
03:52:21,760 --> 03:52:25,199
does that or something like that. Um,

5533
03:52:25,199 --> 03:52:27,279
and how do they clean this water out? I

5534
03:52:27,279 --> 03:52:28,800
mean, I guess it's going to be trucked

5535
03:52:28,800 --> 03:52:31,680
out maybe, but uh, how is it going to be

5536
03:52:31,680 --> 03:52:33,840
filtered? And that's all I have. So,

5537
03:52:33,840 --> 03:52:34,640
thank you.

5538
03:52:34,640 --> 03:52:35,920
>> Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it,

5539
03:52:35,920 --> 03:52:38,800
Rick.

5540
03:52:38,800 --> 03:52:44,080
Uh, next I have John Wang, Steven, and

5541
03:52:44,080 --> 03:52:48,560
Christine Menchling. Mchling, sorry.

5542
03:52:48,560 --> 03:53:08,150
John, Stephen, and Christine.

5543
03:53:08,160 --> 03:53:12,790
John. Yes.

5544
03:53:12,800 --> 03:53:16,720
» Hi, and thanks for letting me talk. I

5545
03:53:16,720 --> 03:53:20,239
live in Spanish Fork since 2001. So it's

5546
03:53:20,239 --> 03:53:24,880
uh 26 years uh by the golf course. So

5547
03:53:24,880 --> 03:53:28,880
it's very close to that uh

5548
03:53:28,880 --> 03:53:33,120
data center. I don't like this idea. I

5549
03:53:33,120 --> 03:53:34,800
think most of people don't like this

5550
03:53:34,800 --> 03:53:37,279
idea. So that's why full of packed

5551
03:53:37,279 --> 03:53:40,550
house.

5552
03:53:40,560 --> 03:53:43,680
They speak uh strongly against this

5553
03:53:43,680 --> 03:53:47,920
thing. And I did some study uh on the

5554
03:53:47,920 --> 03:53:51,199
nationwide it's seems the same

5555
03:53:51,199 --> 03:53:54,640
situation. Nobody like it. It's 70% of

5556
03:53:54,640 --> 03:53:59,040
people uh the cities they deny those

5557
03:53:59,040 --> 03:54:02,479
kind of proposal just like people

5558
03:54:02,479 --> 03:54:06,560
mentioned many times you have many

5559
03:54:06,560 --> 03:54:09,920
remote area. Why they have to pick one

5560
03:54:09,920 --> 03:54:13,600
so close to the densely populated

5561
03:54:13,600 --> 03:54:18,239
people? If they pick some place not

5562
03:54:18,239 --> 03:54:21,199
surrounded by houses, so all those

5563
03:54:21,199 --> 03:54:24,960
issues will be not exist. We don't need

5564
03:54:24,960 --> 03:54:27,840
this huge

5565
03:54:27,840 --> 03:54:30,640
uh public hearing things because it

5566
03:54:30,640 --> 03:54:34,080
won't affect nobody. But now there's so

5567
03:54:34,080 --> 03:54:36,080
many new buildings surrounding this

5568
03:54:36,080 --> 03:54:40,239
area. I even just saw a big sign for a

5569
03:54:40,239 --> 03:54:45,279
big condo will be next to the uh this

5570
03:54:45,279 --> 03:54:48,640
location where we built we have a clever

5571
03:54:48,640 --> 03:54:52,479
house we have we have many uh

5572
03:54:52,479 --> 03:54:54,000
communities

5573
03:54:54,000 --> 03:54:56,160
so those people will really don't like

5574
03:54:56,160 --> 03:55:00,560
it and for the noise seems like they

5575
03:55:00,560 --> 03:55:03,920
downplay this noise but you have to

5576
03:55:03,920 --> 03:55:07,439
realize we are in the canyon

5577
03:55:07,439 --> 03:55:09,680
any sound will be echoed by the

5578
03:55:09,680 --> 03:55:12,880
surrounding mountains. So the the sound

5579
03:55:12,880 --> 03:55:15,840
will be multiplied especially in the

5580
03:55:15,840 --> 03:55:19,359
middle of night. So nobody knows how

5581
03:55:19,359 --> 03:55:24,239
this uh uh noise will be. The lighting

5582
03:55:24,239 --> 03:55:28,000
pollution is also another big issues.

5583
03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:30,399
uh nobody knows how tall the building

5584
03:55:30,399 --> 03:55:40,880
will be and how the bright light will be disturbing people's uh sleeping.

5585
03:55:40,880 --> 03:55:46,640
So also this company give a very rosy uh

5586
03:55:46,640 --> 03:55:51,279
description of their technology but I

5587
03:55:51,279 --> 03:55:54,479
most people here is not tech service we

5588
03:55:54,479 --> 03:55:57,760
don't know those details if it's such a

5589
03:55:57,760 --> 03:56:02,160
perfect technology why all those other

5590
03:56:02,160 --> 03:56:05,760
data center company don't apply uh adopt

5591
03:56:05,760 --> 03:56:10,000
it because to to solve those issues why

5592
03:56:10,000 --> 03:56:14,880
They seems they are the perfect solution

5593
03:56:14,880 --> 03:56:18,800
but only used in Spanish Fork. Anyway,

5594
03:56:18,800 --> 03:56:20,080
so that's my opinion.

5595
03:56:20,080 --> 03:56:24,469
>> Thank you, John. Don't appreciate that.

5596
03:56:24,479 --> 03:56:26,399
» Good evening. Uh my name is Steven. I'm

5597
03:56:26,399 --> 03:56:28,800
a resident in Spanish Fork. Um I plan on

5598
03:56:28,800 --> 03:56:30,399
just coming tonight and listening, but

5599
03:56:30,399 --> 03:56:32,000
uh listen to the presentation. There's a

5600
03:56:32,000 --> 03:56:35,199
couple misre misrepresentations that I I

5601
03:56:35,199 --> 03:56:36,800
wanted to address. Uh the first one was

5602
03:56:36,800 --> 03:56:38,800
talked about briefly already. The the

5603
03:56:38,800 --> 03:56:41,040
property tax. I know that's that was

5604
03:56:41,040 --> 03:56:43,520
presented as this, you know, really big

5605
03:56:43,520 --> 03:56:45,199
number and that's a huge consideration

5606
03:56:45,199 --> 03:56:47,040
of course that that you guys take is is

5607
03:56:47,040 --> 03:56:49,120
that we have a budget and we have needs

5608
03:56:49,120 --> 03:56:50,720
we need to fulfill and where property

5609
03:56:50,720 --> 03:56:52,479
taxes go largely to to the school

5610
03:56:52,479 --> 03:56:54,319
system. There is a big incentive there.

5611
03:56:54,319 --> 03:56:56,160
And so when we look at that $44 million,

5612
03:56:56,160 --> 03:56:58,399
know, hey, that that's a that's a big

5613
03:56:58,399 --> 03:56:59,760
number that's going to help us out, help

5614
03:56:59,760 --> 03:57:01,520
our kids out and everything. Um, like

5615
03:57:01,520 --> 03:57:03,199
was stated earlier, um, I'm a business

5616
03:57:03,199 --> 03:57:05,120
owner here. When we think of property

5617
03:57:05,120 --> 03:57:06,880
tax, all of us think of our houses. we

5618
03:57:06,880 --> 03:57:08,960
get taxed and and that tax goes up every

5619
03:57:08,960 --> 03:57:10,399
year. And so we look at this, oh hey,

5620
03:57:10,399 --> 03:57:11,600
this is a tax that's going to go up year

5621
03:57:11,600 --> 03:57:14,000
over year every year when in reality the

5622
03:57:14,000 --> 03:57:15,840
vast majority of that that roy number

5623
03:57:15,840 --> 03:57:18,000
presented is based off of the equipment

5624
03:57:18,000 --> 03:57:19,840
they are buying um these these bloom

5625
03:57:19,840 --> 03:57:22,160
power generators as well as the servers

5626
03:57:22,160 --> 03:57:24,880
and the that tax rate depreciates based

5627
03:57:24,880 --> 03:57:30,000
on that depreciation schedule. Um and which is significant. So, so like I

5628
03:57:30,000 --> 03:57:32,000
said, the significant amount of that

5629
03:57:32,000 --> 03:57:33,680
over the next 5 years, say it was built

5630
03:57:33,680 --> 03:57:35,040
today, could reduce down to, I believe,

5631
03:57:35,040 --> 03:57:38,080
if you go to Utah County's uh personal

5632
03:57:38,080 --> 03:57:40,160
property tax um depreciation schedule,

5633
03:57:40,160 --> 03:57:44,160
it's down to like 7%. And so, I would I would ask that you guys take a

5634
03:57:44,160 --> 03:57:46,000
really close look at that and really

5635
03:57:46,000 --> 03:57:48,160
look at what those numbers actually are.

5636
03:57:48,160 --> 03:57:49,600
You know, hey, maybe it might be 44

5637
03:57:49,600 --> 03:57:51,279
million that first year, but if there's

5638
03:57:51,279 --> 03:57:54,080
a six a 67% reduction the next year,

5639
03:57:54,080 --> 03:57:55,520
that can cause a really big boomerang

5640
03:57:55,520 --> 03:57:57,920
effect in your budget. as well as again

5641
03:57:57,920 --> 03:58:01,359
it's a it's a very rosy view and and I

5642
03:58:01,359 --> 03:58:02,720
didn't like that it was that misre

5643
03:58:02,720 --> 03:58:04,640
representation of hey look at this big

5644
03:58:04,640 --> 03:58:05,680
number that we're going to bring you

5645
03:58:05,680 --> 03:58:08,319
when in reality it's it's not exactly of

5646
03:58:08,319 --> 03:58:09,680
course it's still it's tax revenue of

5647
03:58:09,680 --> 03:58:11,199
course but it's it's not what what the

5648
03:58:11,199 --> 03:58:12,880
story was um so that was the first one

5649
03:58:12,880 --> 03:58:14,160
like I said I asked you guys to take a

5650
03:58:14,160 --> 03:58:16,319
really close look at that the second one

5651
03:58:16,319 --> 03:58:19,439
was a lot of the basis of this argument

5652
03:58:19,439 --> 03:58:22,800
is based off of this inevitability this

5653
03:58:22,800 --> 03:58:25,120
fear that this is going to happen no

5654
03:58:25,120 --> 03:58:26,720
matter

5655
03:58:26,720 --> 03:58:29,279
and we're your you guys' best bet. So,

5656
03:58:29,279 --> 03:58:32,560
let us do it to you. And as as a dad, as

5657
03:58:32,560 --> 03:58:34,319
an American, that that kind of

5658
03:58:34,319 --> 03:58:37,040
fear-based worldview really didn't sit

5659
03:58:37,040 --> 03:58:39,120
right with me. And I I ask that that you

5660
03:58:39,120 --> 03:58:41,359
guys reject that and and just look at it

5661
03:58:41,359 --> 03:58:42,640
based off the merit of the argument

5662
03:58:42,640 --> 03:58:44,960
itself and say, "Hey, is this what's

5663
03:58:44,960 --> 03:58:47,279
best for for us in Spanish for this what

5664
03:58:47,279 --> 03:58:50,000
our citizens want?" and and and don't

5665
03:58:50,000 --> 03:58:52,080
accept that that worldview just cuz

5666
03:58:52,080 --> 03:58:53,359
something has happened around the world

5667
03:58:53,359 --> 03:58:55,600
that that it has to happen to us. Thank

5668
03:58:55,600 --> 03:58:56,319
you.

5669
03:58:56,319 --> 03:59:03,269
>> Thank you. Appreciate you, Stephen.

5670
03:59:03,279 --> 03:59:06,080
» Hi, I am Christine Meckling. I am from

5671
03:59:06,080 --> 03:59:09,680
Salem. So, my concern is water used

5672
03:59:09,680 --> 03:59:11,439
directly or indirectly. They're saying

5673
03:59:11,439 --> 03:59:14,560
they're going to use 250,000 gallons a

5674
03:59:14,560 --> 03:59:16,800
year. Is that truthfully the whole

5675
03:59:16,800 --> 03:59:19,040
number? Some of these data centers, they

5676
03:59:19,040 --> 03:59:20,640
tell you this number, but that is the

5677
03:59:20,640 --> 03:59:22,560
direct water being used for the cooling.

5678
03:59:22,560 --> 03:59:24,160
They don't tell you the water that is

5679
03:59:24,160 --> 03:59:26,560
being used for the power plant. I know

5680
03:59:26,560 --> 03:59:28,720
it's not a power plant. I know this is

5681
03:59:28,720 --> 03:59:31,680
um batteries, but that is a concern. Are

5682
03:59:31,680 --> 03:59:33,040
they telling us truthfully how much

5683
03:59:33,040 --> 03:59:34,960
water they're using or are they having a

5684
03:59:34,960 --> 03:59:37,359
hidden number that we will not find out

5685
03:59:37,359 --> 03:59:39,840
till later after everything is done?

5686
03:59:39,840 --> 03:59:42,000
Another thing is priority. We are having

5687
03:59:42,000 --> 03:59:43,760
water shortages. What are we going to

5688
03:59:43,760 --> 03:59:45,520
do? Who's get the priority? The data

5689
03:59:45,520 --> 03:59:47,439
center or the people? Who's gonna get

5690
03:59:47,439 --> 03:59:50,800
cut? Natural gas. The natural gas.

5691
03:59:50,800 --> 03:59:52,479
They're pulling it in. All of these data

5692
03:59:52,479 --> 03:59:54,319
centers that are trying to make these

5693
03:59:54,319 --> 03:59:57,120
power plants, they are using natural

5694
03:59:57,120 --> 03:59:58,640
gas. We're going to start having

5695
03:59:58,640 --> 04:00:00,560
shortages when all of these data centers

5696
04:00:00,560 --> 04:00:03,439
come online over the next 10 years.

5697
04:00:03,439 --> 04:00:05,920
That's a concern. Our costs on utilities

5698
04:00:05,920 --> 04:00:07,680
are going up. That's going to be a

5699
04:00:07,680 --> 04:00:09,680
problem eventually. The batteries

5700
04:00:09,680 --> 04:00:11,359
they're going to use, they have to be

5701
04:00:11,359 --> 04:00:13,600
replaced after a certain point. Are they

5702
04:00:13,600 --> 04:00:15,279
going to not be able to want to pay that

5703
04:00:15,279 --> 04:00:17,840
money to replace them? Is that going to

5704
04:00:17,840 --> 04:00:20,399
cause us issues with, oh, now we need to

5705
04:00:20,399 --> 04:00:22,239
hook up to your grid or we need to bring

5706
04:00:22,239 --> 04:00:24,479
in a new power source? That's something

5707
04:00:24,479 --> 04:00:27,359
else to be thought about.

5708
04:00:27,359 --> 04:00:29,520
The last one I talk about is jobs. How

5709
04:00:29,520 --> 04:00:31,840
many jobs are they really creating? When

5710
04:00:31,840 --> 04:00:33,359
they bring in a power plant, they create

5711
04:00:33,359 --> 04:00:35,760
more jobs. Okay, that's a good thing.

5712
04:00:35,760 --> 04:00:37,920
But for these data centers and this

5713
04:00:37,920 --> 04:00:40,239
battery function that the batteries that

5714
04:00:40,239 --> 04:00:41,600
they're going to be using, are they

5715
04:00:41,600 --> 04:00:43,520
really creating that many? Data centers

5716
04:00:43,520 --> 04:00:45,199
don't create that many jobs. It's the

5717
04:00:45,199 --> 04:00:47,040
power plant that comes with it. And this

5718
04:00:47,040 --> 04:00:48,720
isn't going to be a full power plant.

5719
04:00:48,720 --> 04:00:50,399
This is going to be something smaller.

5720
04:00:50,399 --> 04:00:52,479
So, are they really bringing in over 200

5721
04:00:52,479 --> 04:00:54,000
jobs or are they going to bring in maybe

5722
04:00:54,000 --> 04:00:56,239
20, which I know we need the jobs in

5723
04:00:56,239 --> 04:00:58,800
this economy, but what other negatives

5724
04:00:58,800 --> 04:01:01,040
is this going to bring to our area?

5725
04:01:01,040 --> 04:01:01,840
Thank you.

5726
04:01:01,840 --> 04:01:04,239
>> Thank you, Christine. Thank you.

5727
04:01:04,239 --> 04:01:07,199
>> Uh the next three I have are Mia, uh

5728
04:01:07,199 --> 04:01:10,160
Paul, and Rod. So Mia, Carlos, Paul

5729
04:01:10,160 --> 04:01:14,950
Hill, and Rod Helm.

5730
04:01:14,960 --> 04:01:17,600
» Hi. Um I'm Mia Carlos. I'm a citizen of

5731
04:01:17,600 --> 04:01:19,279
Salem and I have a couple concerns.

5732
04:01:19,279 --> 04:01:20,479
First of all, other people have

5733
04:01:20,479 --> 04:01:22,000
mentioned this. I'm very concerned by

5734
04:01:22,000 --> 04:01:23,520
the lack of empirical evidence and the

5735
04:01:23,520 --> 04:01:25,199
lack of external evidence. We look at

5736
04:01:25,199 --> 04:01:26,960
this noise study that was conducted by

5737
04:01:26,960 --> 04:01:29,359
link engineering who is subcontracted by

5738
04:01:29,359 --> 04:01:32,160
Valition. we look at, you know, taking

5739
04:01:32,160 --> 04:01:33,920
city employees to walk around a data

5740
04:01:33,920 --> 04:01:35,600
center and randomly knocking on doors to

5741
04:01:35,600 --> 04:01:37,279
pull civilians. That's not rigorous.

5742
04:01:37,279 --> 04:01:39,600
That's not empirical. You know, that's

5743
04:01:39,600 --> 04:01:42,080
not a substantial look at the actual

5744
04:01:42,080 --> 04:01:44,160
impact of the West Valley data center,

5745
04:01:44,160 --> 04:01:46,319
for example. I'm also extremely

5746
04:01:46,319 --> 04:01:48,640
concerned by greenwashing. Specifically,

5747
04:01:48,640 --> 04:01:50,479
when we're talking about Bloom Energy,

5748
04:01:50,479 --> 04:01:52,479
they've been faced with multiple class

5749
04:01:52,479 --> 04:01:54,880
action lawsuits from the EPA, from OSHA,

5750
04:01:54,880 --> 04:01:56,319
from all of these things. But Bloom

5751
04:01:56,319 --> 04:01:58,479
Energy is currently in a lawsuit for

5752
04:01:58,479 --> 04:02:00,080
misleading shareholders, lying about

5753
04:02:00,080 --> 04:02:01,520
business operations and financial

5754
04:02:01,520 --> 04:02:04,080
stability, and it's caused significant

5755
04:02:04,080 --> 04:02:05,680
stockholder losses. The Bloom Energy

5756
04:02:05,680 --> 04:02:07,680
stock now, as of like 5 minutes ago, is

5757
04:02:07,680 --> 04:02:09,680
down 10% because people don't trust them

5758
04:02:09,680 --> 04:02:11,040
to actually deliver on the promises

5759
04:02:11,040 --> 04:02:12,479
they're making because time and time

5760
04:02:12,479 --> 04:02:14,960
again, they've shown that they're not

5761
04:02:14,960 --> 04:02:16,399
like they don't deliver. They make all

5762
04:02:16,399 --> 04:02:17,840
these promises and it doesn't come to

5763
04:02:17,840 --> 04:02:21,600
fruition. Um, additionally,

5764
04:02:21,600 --> 04:02:23,359
like we just we wouldn't be the first

5765
04:02:23,359 --> 04:02:24,800
community that Bloom has lied to. we

5766
04:02:24,800 --> 04:02:26,080
wouldn't be the first community that

5767
04:02:26,080 --> 04:02:28,720
they've intentionally misled. And closed

5768
04:02:28,720 --> 04:02:31,840
loop systems as a whole have failed

5769
04:02:31,840 --> 04:02:34,160
nationwide. Like there's promise, but

5770
04:02:34,160 --> 04:02:36,560
there's also countless examples of

5771
04:02:36,560 --> 04:02:38,720
closed loop systems where they are

5772
04:02:38,720 --> 04:02:40,560
forced to bleed the lines, pollution

5773
04:02:40,560 --> 04:02:42,399
happens, or the there's a failure to

5774
04:02:42,399 --> 04:02:44,720
sufficiently cool the system via these

5775
04:02:44,720 --> 04:02:48,239
fans and then, you know, other

5776
04:02:48,239 --> 04:02:49,920
concessions have to be made because the

5777
04:02:49,920 --> 04:02:51,520
data center is already there. That's a

5778
04:02:51,520 --> 04:02:53,680
massive concern of mine. I spoke to Jeff

5779
04:02:53,680 --> 04:02:55,680
Chavez about this in public comment and

5780
04:02:55,680 --> 04:02:57,040
he said, "Well, you don't always like

5781
04:02:57,040 --> 04:02:59,120
everyone that you work with." But I

5782
04:02:59,120 --> 04:03:00,880
don't think that that's an excuse for

5783
04:03:00,880 --> 04:03:02,399
continuing to work with a company who

5784
04:03:02,399 --> 04:03:04,560
has systemically failed. I also have

5785
04:03:04,560 --> 04:03:06,479
evaluated other manufacturers of these

5786
04:03:06,479 --> 04:03:08,239
solid oxide fuel cells, and I've yet to

5787
04:03:08,239 --> 04:03:10,239
find a single one that doesn't face some

5788
04:03:10,239 --> 04:03:12,399
sort of controversy over environmental

5789
04:03:12,399 --> 04:03:15,760
impact, labor, or just lying to like

5790
04:03:15,760 --> 04:03:18,399
straight up lying to shareholders. I

5791
04:03:18,399 --> 04:03:20,640
think that Jeff is a great salesman, and

5792
04:03:20,640 --> 04:03:22,560
I like I do admire his vision. I think

5793
04:03:22,560 --> 04:03:24,319
that the vision of a sustainable data

5794
04:03:24,319 --> 04:03:26,560
center is great, but I'm really not

5795
04:03:26,560 --> 04:03:28,479
interested in supporting his bid to

5796
04:03:28,479 --> 04:03:31,279
become a billionaire uh at the extent of

5797
04:03:31,279 --> 04:03:33,439
our community. And that's all I have to

5798
04:03:33,439 --> 04:03:33,840
say. Thanks.

5799
04:03:33,840 --> 04:03:34,479
>> Thanks, man.

5800
04:03:34,479 --> 04:03:37,990
>> Thank you, Mia.

5801
04:03:38,000 --> 04:03:43,189
» Paul, I got Paul and then Rod.

5802
04:03:43,199 --> 04:03:47,279
» Excuse me. Hi. Uh Paul Hill. Uh I'm a

5803
04:03:47,279 --> 04:03:49,040
resident of Spanish Fork. I've lived

5804
04:03:49,040 --> 04:03:51,600
here for 25 years, but I've been in the

5805
04:03:51,600 --> 04:03:54,239
area many, many years. I'm one of the

5806
04:03:54,239 --> 04:03:59,279
kids that was dragging Maine in 1983,

5807
04:03:59,279 --> 04:04:01,680
back in the day, back when you could.

5808
04:04:01,680 --> 04:04:04,800
Um, so I I say that to preface that I'm

5809
04:04:04,800 --> 04:04:07,199
not one of those people that want it to

5810
04:04:07,199 --> 04:04:10,239
be the same little sleepy town that it

5811
04:04:10,239 --> 04:04:14,319
used to be. I enjoy the progress. I love

5812
04:04:14,319 --> 04:04:16,319
the restaurants and all the industries

5813
04:04:16,319 --> 04:04:19,600
that we've had lately. And I'm really

5814
04:04:19,600 --> 04:04:22,720
pro what we've been doing, but the data

5815
04:04:22,720 --> 04:04:25,840
center itself,

5816
04:04:25,840 --> 04:04:29,600
all I've heard today is vague uh

5817
04:04:29,600 --> 04:04:32,319
promises that they're going to do it

5818
04:04:32,319 --> 04:04:35,120
better than these data centers are

5819
04:04:35,120 --> 04:04:36,720
horrible.

5820
04:04:36,720 --> 04:04:40,800
All we've heard today is we want to it's going to be better than they did

5821
04:04:40,800 --> 04:04:43,600
it. And all we've heard is that it's

5822
04:04:43,600 --> 04:04:45,840
going to be better than dozens and

5823
04:04:45,840 --> 04:04:50,399
dozens of trucks as if these two things

5824
04:04:50,399 --> 04:04:54,399
is the only thing out there. I really

5825
04:04:54,399 --> 04:04:57,920
urge the council, the mayors to really

5826
04:04:57,920 --> 04:05:00,800
think about

5827
04:05:00,800 --> 04:05:03,520
the community we want to live in

5828
04:05:03,520 --> 04:05:06,080
permanently beyond what's going to make

5829
04:05:06,080 --> 04:05:11,439
some money right now. like I I want to

5830
04:05:11,439 --> 04:05:15,120
live here. I'm gonna die here and I'm

5831
04:05:15,120 --> 04:05:18,399
going to haunt my house and that's my

5832
04:05:18,399 --> 04:05:21,520
plan. And I want to live in this

5833
04:05:21,520 --> 04:05:23,120
community

5834
04:05:23,120 --> 04:05:27,520
uh long-term, not just we're going to

5835
04:05:27,520 --> 04:05:29,680
get a couple million dollars from some

5836
04:05:29,680 --> 04:05:31,600
billionaires and that's going to be

5837
04:05:31,600 --> 04:05:34,560
great for recreation or whatever for a

5838
04:05:34,560 --> 04:05:37,439
little while, but what is it going to be

5839
04:05:37,439 --> 04:05:40,880
beyond that? And I really urge you to

5840
04:05:40,880 --> 04:05:43,680
think about longterm

5841
04:05:43,680 --> 04:05:47,199
what the company what the community

5842
04:05:47,199 --> 04:05:51,199
needs long term for all of us. So thank

5843
04:05:51,199 --> 04:05:51,920
you

5844
04:05:51,920 --> 04:05:57,030
>> Paul. Thanks Paul.

5845
04:05:57,040 --> 04:05:59,040
» Rod Yum. I've lived in Spanish Fork for

5846
04:05:59,040 --> 04:06:04,560
the last 18 years and uh I want the uh

5847
04:06:04,560 --> 04:06:06,479
I think the conditional use permit needs

5848
04:06:06,479 --> 04:06:08,640
to be restored.

5849
04:06:08,640 --> 04:06:10,399
Um

5850
04:06:10,399 --> 04:06:16,560
I I think the uh we need to make sure that something

5851
04:06:16,560 --> 04:06:20,800
of this magnitude for residents is uh uh

5852
04:06:20,800 --> 04:06:24,640
people need to be able to address it.

5853
04:06:24,640 --> 04:06:27,600
So um

5854
04:06:27,600 --> 04:06:29,359
I was completely opposed to a data

5855
04:06:29,359 --> 04:06:31,040
center in Spanish Fork when I came to

5856
04:06:31,040 --> 04:06:32,479
the planning commission meeting almost

5857
04:06:32,479 --> 04:06:34,560
two weeks ago. Valition's proposal

5858
04:06:34,560 --> 04:06:38,479
resolved mo almost all of my concerns.

5859
04:06:38,479 --> 04:06:40,479
Their technology provides solutions to

5860
04:06:40,479 --> 04:06:44,160
concerns about water power consumption

5861
04:06:44,160 --> 04:06:45,920
and I appreciate their willingness to

5862
04:06:45,920 --> 04:06:47,680
make contractual commitments to Spanish

5863
04:06:47,680 --> 04:06:49,199
Fork.

5864
04:06:49,199 --> 04:06:53,040
And I ask that contractual commitments

5865
04:06:53,040 --> 04:06:54,960
are will be strong, stiff, and

5866
04:06:54,960 --> 04:06:58,160
maintained by by Spanish Fork and make

5867
04:06:58,160 --> 04:07:01,439
sure that they're enforceable.

5868
04:07:01,439 --> 04:07:04,630
Um,

5869
04:07:04,640 --> 04:07:06,960
I appreciate the seriousness that the

5870
04:07:06,960 --> 04:07:09,439
city's approached this in, but uh, we're

5871
04:07:09,439 --> 04:07:10,960
talking about a facility that could

5872
04:07:10,960 --> 04:07:13,840
ultimately ultimately reach 500

5873
04:07:13,840 --> 04:07:15,840
megawatts with homes as close as roughly

5874
04:07:15,840 --> 04:07:18,399
a quarter mile away.

5875
04:07:18,399 --> 04:07:20,720
Uh, my concern is noise and vibration,

5876
04:07:20,720 --> 04:07:23,520
particularly persistent low frequency

5877
04:07:23,520 --> 04:07:26,880
and tonal tonal noise. I'm not simply

5878
04:07:26,880 --> 04:07:28,479
concerned about whether the facility

5879
04:07:28,479 --> 04:07:30,960
will be loud. Highway six and the

5880
04:07:30,960 --> 04:07:34,560
railroad and the windmills already

5881
04:07:34,560 --> 04:07:37,920
create substantial uh noise and and

5882
04:07:37,920 --> 04:07:40,640
vibration. The traffic comes and goes

5883
04:07:40,640 --> 04:07:43,600
and trains pass periodically. A data a

5884
04:07:43,600 --> 04:07:45,359
data center is different as cooling

5885
04:07:45,359 --> 04:07:46,960
systems, fans, pumps, motors,

5886
04:07:46,960 --> 04:07:48,960
transformers, and other equipment

5887
04:07:48,960 --> 04:07:52,560
operate continuously 24 hours a day.

5888
04:07:52,560 --> 04:07:54,560
If that equipment produces a persistent

5889
04:07:54,560 --> 04:07:57,520
low-frequency hum, rumble, or vibration,

5890
04:07:57,520 --> 04:07:59,040
that could create a very different kind

5891
04:07:59,040 --> 04:08:01,040
of problem for nearby residents. Some

5892
04:08:01,040 --> 04:08:03,279
people who are most particularly

5893
04:08:03,279 --> 04:08:05,040
sensitive to sound or vibration,

5894
04:08:05,040 --> 04:08:07,199
including people with sensory processing

5895
04:08:07,199 --> 04:08:10,560
differences, such as autism. I'm not

5896
04:08:10,560 --> 04:08:12,560
suggesting everyone will experience it

5897
04:08:12,560 --> 04:08:14,239
that way or that this project

5898
04:08:14,239 --> 04:08:16,640
necessarily will create a problem. We

5899
04:08:16,640 --> 04:08:18,160
should know what the cumulative effect

5900
04:08:18,160 --> 04:08:20,640
will be before we build it.

5901
04:08:20,640 --> 04:08:22,160
I would ask the city to require an

5902
04:08:22,160 --> 04:08:24,560
independent full spectrum acoustic study

5903
04:08:24,560 --> 04:08:27,520
before final approval covering both the

5904
04:08:27,520 --> 04:08:30,800
initial 250 megawatt configuration and

5905
04:08:30,800 --> 04:08:34,720
the potential 500 megawatt buildout.

5906
04:08:34,720 --> 04:08:39,279
That study should include DBA, DBC, low

5907
04:08:39,279 --> 04:08:41,040
frequency and one-third octave

5908
04:08:41,040 --> 04:08:43,439
measurements along with appropriate

5909
04:08:43,439 --> 04:08:45,279
vibration analysis at the nearest

5910
04:08:45,279 --> 04:08:48,000
residences, not simply at the property

5911
04:08:48,000 --> 04:08:50,479
line. I'd also like the city to

5912
04:08:50,479 --> 04:08:52,399
establish baseline measurements before

5913
04:08:52,399 --> 04:08:53,920
construction.

5914
04:08:53,920 --> 04:08:55,840
That baseline should account for the

5915
04:08:55,840 --> 04:08:57,520
existing highway, railroad, and other

5916
04:08:57,520 --> 04:09:00,000
sources so we can determine what the

5917
04:09:00,000 --> 04:09:01,840
data center actually adds to the

5918
04:09:01,840 --> 04:09:07,349
environment.

5919
04:09:07,359 --> 04:09:10,550
Um,

5920
04:09:10,560 --> 04:09:10,960
» thank you.

5921
04:09:10,960 --> 04:09:11,520
Rod.

5922
04:09:11,520 --> 04:09:12,239
>> Thanks, Rod.

5923
04:09:12,239 --> 04:09:15,359
>> Appreciate it. Okay, the last uh two

5924
04:09:15,359 --> 04:09:17,040
that I've got on my list here are Megan

5925
04:09:17,040 --> 04:09:23,189
Williams and Paul Heber. Megan and Paul

5926
04:09:23,199 --> 04:09:24,160
Weber.

5927
04:09:24,160 --> 04:09:26,960
>> Oh, Weber. Sorry. Oh, good.

5928
04:09:26,960 --> 04:09:29,199
>> Oh, man.

5929
04:09:29,199 --> 04:09:30,479
We have

5930
04:09:30,479 --> 04:09:34,560
>> Megan and Paul. Oh, sorry.

5931
04:09:34,560 --> 04:09:37,760
>> Did you say Paul Weber or Paul Weber?

5932
04:09:37,760 --> 04:09:40,080
>> Paul Weber.

5933
04:09:40,080 --> 04:09:43,120
>> Okay. Thanks, Paul. You're after Megan.

5934
04:09:43,120 --> 04:09:45,600
>> Megan Williams. I live in Spanish Fork.

5935
04:09:45,600 --> 04:09:47,120
I live near the area of the proposed

5936
04:09:47,120 --> 04:09:49,439
data center site. Um I'm opposed to it,

5937
04:09:49,439 --> 04:09:51,359
but I wanted to mostly talk about um

5938
04:09:51,359 --> 04:09:54,080
it's mentioned previously um about the

5939
04:09:54,080 --> 04:09:56,000
environmental effects especially on like

5940
04:09:56,000 --> 04:10:00,399
livestock and animals, the wildlife. Um

5941
04:10:00,399 --> 04:10:03,600
nitrous oxide is a potent greenhouse gas

5942
04:10:03,600 --> 04:10:05,600
and um any part of that in the

5943
04:10:05,600 --> 04:10:08,160
atmosphere becomes PM2.5 which is like

5944
04:10:08,160 --> 04:10:10,479
fine particulate matter and that um

5945
04:10:10,479 --> 04:10:13,439
settles on forage feed and um that

5946
04:10:13,439 --> 04:10:16,800
transfers um is triggered boine asthma,

5947
04:10:16,800 --> 04:10:21,680
respiratory disease and cattle and um I

5948
04:10:21,680 --> 04:10:24,160
know that this um council has stated

5949
04:10:24,160 --> 04:10:25,920
that they would plan regionally and act

5950
04:10:25,920 --> 04:10:28,000
locally. So, I just wanted you to

5951
04:10:28,000 --> 04:10:30,399
consider please consider um looking

5952
04:10:30,399 --> 04:10:32,319
further into studies on the effects of

5953
04:10:32,319 --> 04:10:35,040
our livestock and um wildlife in this

5954
04:10:35,040 --> 04:10:37,199
agricultural community. Thanks.

5955
04:10:37,199 --> 04:10:37,680
>> Thank you.

5956
04:10:37,680 --> 04:10:49,349
Megan.

5957
04:10:49,359 --> 04:10:52,640
» Hi, I'm Paul Weber. I lived uh less than

5958
04:10:52,640 --> 04:10:55,359
um half a mile away from the proposed

5959
04:10:55,359 --> 04:10:57,760
site on the other side of the golf

5960
04:10:57,760 --> 04:11:00,640
course. So when I found out about this

5961
04:11:00,640 --> 04:11:02,880
proposal less than two weeks ago, I was

5962
04:11:02,880 --> 04:11:06,479
horrified. I was concerned. Uh we even

5963
04:11:06,479 --> 04:11:08,880
started to talk about do we need to move

5964
04:11:08,880 --> 04:11:12,080
away from here? But after looking

5965
04:11:12,080 --> 04:11:16,479
carefully at the uh proposed uh facility

5966
04:11:16,479 --> 04:11:19,520
and going to the public hearings,

5967
04:11:19,520 --> 04:11:23,439
um I've really swung almost 180 degrees

5968
04:11:23,439 --> 04:11:27,120
in my uh overall assessment. And let me

5969
04:11:27,120 --> 04:11:31,439
tell you why. I think that data centers

5970
04:11:31,439 --> 04:11:35,120
have a really bad name deservedly

5971
04:11:35,120 --> 04:11:38,960
uh from some previous um constructions

5972
04:11:38,960 --> 04:11:41,279
including the one in the bo in box Elder

5973
04:11:41,279 --> 04:11:43,199
County and you heard various numbers

5974
04:11:43,199 --> 04:11:45,760
that are quoted 9 degrees temperature

5975
04:11:45,760 --> 04:11:50,479
rise within a half a mile um distance

5976
04:11:50,479 --> 04:11:53,199
away but this facility

5977
04:11:53,199 --> 04:11:58,800
I I think is uh is is much better in in

5978
04:11:58,800 --> 04:12:00,640
terms of the design, in terms of the

5979
04:12:00,640 --> 04:12:03,359
physics. The fuel cell design is much

5980
04:12:03,359 --> 04:12:06,000
more efficient. They're using an

5981
04:12:06,000 --> 04:12:08,399
existing building and they're putting

5982
04:12:08,399 --> 04:12:11,199
the fuel cells inside of the building.

5983
04:12:11,199 --> 04:12:14,479
So, this will uh I I I believe there's a

5984
04:12:14,479 --> 04:12:17,680
lot of merit in their figures about how

5985
04:12:17,680 --> 04:12:19,760
low the sound levels will be simply

5986
04:12:19,760 --> 04:12:22,880
because it'll be enclosed within a a

5987
04:12:22,880 --> 04:12:25,680
structural building. I do have concerns

5988
04:12:25,680 --> 04:12:29,040
about environmental effects and I agree

5989
04:12:29,040 --> 04:12:31,359
that environmental a careful

5990
04:12:31,359 --> 04:12:33,520
environmental assessment needs to be

5991
04:12:33,520 --> 04:12:36,560
done. Um

5992
04:12:36,560 --> 04:12:39,279
but I I come back to the point that was

5993
04:12:39,279 --> 04:12:41,840
made by the gentleman from Mapleton

5994
04:12:41,840 --> 04:12:44,399
which I think is a very good one. I know

5995
04:12:44,399 --> 04:12:50,080
we there's it's nice to talk about um um

5996
04:12:50,080 --> 04:12:53,199
higher more altruistic uses of the site

5997
04:12:53,199 --> 04:12:55,199
that's there, but the fact of the matter

5998
04:12:55,199 --> 04:12:58,880
is this is a $14 million facility and

5999
04:12:58,880 --> 04:13:01,680
unless Spanish for can pony up and buy

6000
04:13:01,680 --> 04:13:04,720
this, which I don't see happening, um

6001
04:13:04,720 --> 04:13:06,960
something's going to happen to it,

6002
04:13:06,960 --> 04:13:11,439
something industrial. And I agree that a

6003
04:13:11,439 --> 04:13:15,040
good head-to-head study of a a major

6004
04:13:15,040 --> 04:13:18,239
expansion, three-fold expansion in

6005
04:13:18,239 --> 04:13:22,159
trucking facility versus what this um

6006
04:13:22,159 --> 04:13:26,880
more efficient um data center um

6007
04:13:26,880 --> 04:13:31,040
proposes is is worth uh carefully

6008
04:13:31,040 --> 04:13:33,199
embarking on in making your decision

6009
04:13:33,199 --> 04:13:36,000
about what to do with this site. And

6010
04:13:36,000 --> 04:13:38,880
lastly, I just mention I do believe data

6011
04:13:38,880 --> 04:13:41,279
centers will built in will be built

6012
04:13:41,279 --> 04:13:43,279
inevitably

6013
04:13:43,279 --> 04:13:47,439
and um the the proposal I think should

6014
04:13:47,439 --> 04:13:50,640
be base though it should be judged in

6015
04:13:50,640 --> 04:13:53,040
terms of its uh ultimate which is the

6016
04:13:53,040 --> 04:13:55,199
better use of this site.

6017
04:13:55,199 --> 04:13:56,000
>> Thank you.

6018
04:13:56,000 --> 04:13:58,319
Paul. appreciate it.

6019
04:13:58,319 --> 04:14:02,550
>> Uh,

6020
04:14:02,560 --> 04:14:05,120
» I've got uh one more person that looks

6021
04:14:05,120 --> 04:14:07,439
like uh signed up after I read that

6022
04:14:07,439 --> 04:14:10,640
those last two. Brady Redern

6023
04:14:10,640 --> 04:14:16,550
is there's Brady.

6024
04:14:16,560 --> 04:14:19,040
» Good evening. My name is Brady Redfern.

6025
04:14:19,040 --> 04:14:20,640
I live at the corner of Highway 6 and

6026
04:14:20,640 --> 04:14:22,399
Canyon Road. So, I see the warehouse

6027
04:14:22,399 --> 04:14:25,520
every day from my house. I have a PhD in

6028
04:14:25,520 --> 04:14:27,600
industrial and systems engineering. I

6029
04:14:27,600 --> 04:14:30,000
have degrees in IT and cyber security

6030
04:14:30,000 --> 04:14:32,159
and I have built AI products and written

6031
04:14:32,159 --> 04:14:35,840
AI policy since 2012. I have 20 years of

6032
04:14:35,840 --> 04:14:38,479
experience related to this topic. So, I

6033
04:14:38,479 --> 04:14:40,960
took it upon myself to spend 50 hours of

6034
04:14:40,960 --> 04:14:43,279
personal time last week looking into

6035
04:14:43,279 --> 04:14:45,760
this proposal, including site visits and

6036
04:14:45,760 --> 04:14:48,000
in-person interviews at the various

6037
04:14:48,000 --> 04:14:49,760
locations that have been mentioned.

6038
04:14:49,760 --> 04:14:52,880
Nobody paid me for any of this. Uh the

6039
04:14:52,880 --> 04:14:54,479
choice that the amendment offers the

6040
04:14:54,479 --> 04:14:56,319
community is a fully leased warehouse

6041
04:14:56,319 --> 04:14:58,319
versus a sustainable data center with

6042
04:14:58,319 --> 04:15:00,800
protections written into law. The

6043
04:15:00,800 --> 04:15:04,080
warehouse means up to 6,400 diesel

6044
04:15:04,080 --> 04:15:06,319
trucks. That's my my calculation based

6045
04:15:06,319 --> 04:15:10,080
on uh New Jersey estimates. Um there's

6046
04:15:10,080 --> 04:15:12,000
different ways to calculate that. So

6047
04:15:12,000 --> 04:15:15,279
6,400 diesel trucks a month on Highway

6048
04:15:15,279 --> 04:15:18,000
6. The data center has zero. Nothing

6049
04:15:18,000 --> 04:15:20,080
burns in a fuel cell. The main outputs

6050
04:15:20,080 --> 04:15:22,479
are water and carbon dioxide. That is

6051
04:15:22,479 --> 04:15:24,880
why the nitrogen oxide is so low. It's

6052
04:15:24,880 --> 04:15:27,120
three and a half times lower than the

6053
04:15:27,120 --> 04:15:28,880
aluminum plant we already have in this

6054
04:15:28,880 --> 04:15:32,239
city and it's about the same as uh

6055
04:15:32,239 --> 04:15:35,680
Provo's hospital. The warehouse draws on

6056
04:15:35,680 --> 04:15:38,239
our grid. The data center cannot. It

6057
04:15:38,239 --> 04:15:40,239
generates its own permanently islanded

6058
04:15:40,239 --> 04:15:42,239
no interconnection and no export written

6059
04:15:42,239 --> 04:15:44,880
into the ordinance. The diesel trucks

6060
04:15:44,880 --> 04:15:46,319
and the train are louder than any

6061
04:15:46,319 --> 04:15:48,159
equipment in the data center and limits

6062
04:15:48,159 --> 04:15:50,800
are already in the ordinance. The

6063
04:15:50,800 --> 04:15:53,439
warehouse is assessed at $51 million

6064
04:15:53,439 --> 04:15:56,399
today in property tax value. The data

6065
04:15:56,399 --> 04:15:59,600
center is $4 billion investment into the

6066
04:15:59,600 --> 04:16:02,479
same building. The city share of the

6067
04:16:02,479 --> 04:16:04,560
property tax would be about $4 million

6068
04:16:04,560 --> 04:16:06,960
in the first year. That is almost 70%

6069
04:16:06,960 --> 04:16:09,279
more property tax revenue for the city

6070
04:16:09,279 --> 04:16:13,279
from a single site and roughly 120 times

6071
04:16:13,279 --> 04:16:15,680
what the city's largest commercial

6072
04:16:15,680 --> 04:16:18,880
taxpayer pays today.

6073
04:16:18,880 --> 04:16:20,880
Valition has also committed to over

6074
04:16:20,880 --> 04:16:23,760
$500,000 a year for the community, twice

6075
04:16:23,760 --> 04:16:26,399
what the city collects from its 11

6076
04:16:26,399 --> 04:16:28,960
largest taxpayers in property tax

6077
04:16:28,960 --> 04:16:30,800
combined.

6078
04:16:30,800 --> 04:16:33,120
Spanish Fork wrote real limits into the

6079
04:16:33,120 --> 04:16:35,279
code. There's power limits, there's

6080
04:16:35,279 --> 04:16:36,800
noise limits, there's pollution limits,

6081
04:16:36,800 --> 04:16:39,439
there's water limits. No other Utah city

6082
04:16:39,439 --> 04:16:42,080
has done that before. Tonight is about

6083
04:16:42,080 --> 04:16:44,720
title 15 and title 15 is the strongest

6084
04:16:44,720 --> 04:16:47,199
version of this ordinance in our entire

6085
04:16:47,199 --> 04:16:49,680
state. I looked at every effect I could

6086
04:16:49,680 --> 04:16:52,080
measure and I found no drawback to the

6087
04:16:52,080 --> 04:16:54,479
community. I have no reservations in

6088
04:16:54,479 --> 04:16:56,239
having Valition build this in my

6089
04:16:56,239 --> 04:16:58,000
backyard. Thank you.

6090
04:16:58,000 --> 04:17:00,880
>> Thank you Brady.

6091
04:17:00,880 --> 04:17:03,760
>> Uh looks like I had another addition

6092
04:17:03,760 --> 04:17:06,640
here on the list. I've got Adam Allen

6093
04:17:06,640 --> 04:17:11,750
from Mapleton.

6094
04:17:11,760 --> 04:17:13,520
How's it going? Adam from Mapleton. I

6095
04:17:13,520 --> 04:17:15,600
live in Harmony Ridge, just kitty corner

6096
04:17:15,600 --> 04:17:17,920
to the proposed data center site. I'll

6097
04:17:17,920 --> 04:17:19,520
be quick because it's late and my kids

6098
04:17:19,520 --> 04:17:20,720
asleep, so I probably got to get home

6099
04:17:20,720 --> 04:17:22,399
for the wife um get her out of the bath

6100
04:17:22,399 --> 04:17:25,199
and stuff. But um but yeah, I I came

6101
04:17:25,199 --> 04:17:26,640
into this I learned about this a couple

6102
04:17:26,640 --> 04:17:29,040
weeks ago. Um was not super thrilled

6103
04:17:29,040 --> 04:17:30,560
after seeing the box elder announcement

6104
04:17:30,560 --> 04:17:32,159
and stuff and all this all the

6105
04:17:32,159 --> 04:17:34,640
controversy surrounding that. Um, I will

6106
04:17:34,640 --> 04:17:36,080
say I've watched all the the different

6107
04:17:36,080 --> 04:17:37,520
council meetings you guys have had and

6108
04:17:37,520 --> 04:17:38,800
the planning commission and stuff and

6109
04:17:38,800 --> 04:17:41,439
I've been really impressed with Jeff um

6110
04:17:41,439 --> 04:17:43,120
with his ability to either be a really

6111
04:17:43,120 --> 04:17:45,439
good pest control salesman basically or

6112
04:17:45,439 --> 04:17:47,120
to really follow through on this stuff.

6113
04:17:47,120 --> 04:17:49,120
Um, and I hope he does follow through on

6114
04:17:49,120 --> 04:17:51,120
it. And you know, I I'm at the point

6115
04:17:51,120 --> 04:17:52,560
where where I do feel pretty comfortable

6116
04:17:52,560 --> 04:17:54,319
with it. Um, I have a young child,

6117
04:17:54,319 --> 04:17:55,920
another kid on the way and we live again

6118
04:17:55,920 --> 04:17:57,600
just Kitty Corner to it and Harmony

6119
04:17:57,600 --> 04:17:59,760
Ridge. And so, um, talking to my wife

6120
04:17:59,760 --> 04:18:01,439
and stuff, like I feel pretty

6121
04:18:01,439 --> 04:18:02,880
comfortable with all the promises

6122
04:18:02,880 --> 04:18:04,080
they've made. I just hope they follow

6123
04:18:04,080 --> 04:18:05,760
through on them, right? Um, one of my

6124
04:18:05,760 --> 04:18:07,520
concerns is, and I'm sure you guys have

6125
04:18:07,520 --> 04:18:09,600
talked about this and addressed it, but

6126
04:18:09,600 --> 04:18:11,520
um, does have to do with my property

6127
04:18:11,520 --> 04:18:12,960
value, right? We bought a home there two

6128
04:18:12,960 --> 04:18:14,399
years ago. We had no idea this was going

6129
04:18:14,399 --> 04:18:16,560
in. Now, if it does go in, I'm not in

6130
04:18:16,560 --> 04:18:18,159
Spanish Fork. I don't get to reap any of

6131
04:18:18,159 --> 04:18:19,840
the tax benefits that come from this,

6132
04:18:19,840 --> 04:18:21,920
the property taxes that are collected.

6133
04:18:21,920 --> 04:18:24,479
Um, so I'm concerned with, hey, does my

6134
04:18:24,479 --> 04:18:26,239
property value, you know, get dumped

6135
04:18:26,239 --> 04:18:28,640
from this, right? 20, 40, $60,000. And

6136
04:18:28,640 --> 04:18:30,000
so I'm curious what has happened with

6137
04:18:30,000 --> 04:18:31,760
other Bloom sites. And I know this is

6138
04:18:31,760 --> 04:18:33,439
Valition's first full data center. And

6139
04:18:33,439 --> 04:18:35,680
so I'd be curious to do to look at a

6140
04:18:35,680 --> 04:18:37,920
study. I've tried to research it with AI

6141
04:18:37,920 --> 04:18:39,680
coincidentally, but I'm sure most of us

6142
04:18:39,680 --> 04:18:42,319
have, right? Um and so we're part of the

6143
04:18:42,319 --> 04:18:46,080
problem, guys. Um but uh but no, I you

6144
04:18:46,080 --> 04:18:48,720
know, I've tried to research it. There just isn't a lot of data right

6145
04:18:48,720 --> 04:18:50,319
now. And so there's a lot of unknowns, I

6146
04:18:50,319 --> 04:18:51,439
think, with a lot of these figures that

6147
04:18:51,439 --> 04:18:52,720
are thrown out. And that's why I think a

6148
04:18:52,720 --> 04:18:54,880
lot of us are hesitant. But what he's

6149
04:18:54,880 --> 04:18:56,720
saying is awesome. Like if that's the

6150
04:18:56,720 --> 04:18:57,840
case and if that's what's going to go

6151
04:18:57,840 --> 04:18:59,760
in, let's do it. I wish it was two miles

6152
04:18:59,760 --> 04:19:01,680
further in the canyon, but if that's

6153
04:19:01,680 --> 04:19:02,720
where it needs to be, that's where it

6154
04:19:02,720 --> 04:19:04,720
needs to be. So that's it for me.

6155
04:19:04,720 --> 04:19:06,239
Thanks.

6156
04:19:06,239 --> 04:19:07,760
>> Appreciate that.

6157
04:19:07,760 --> 04:19:11,120
>> I've got Dan Davis sign up next. Daniel

6158
04:19:11,120 --> 04:19:16,790
Davis.

6159
04:19:16,800 --> 04:19:21,830
I don't live up there, so I don't have

6160
04:19:21,840 --> 04:19:24,560
um I'm not sure that it's fair for me to

6161
04:19:24,560 --> 04:19:26,399
speak as if it's going to affect me. I

6162
04:19:26,399 --> 04:19:28,720
live on that side of town, so but it

6163
04:19:28,720 --> 04:19:34,229
could do. Um,

6164
04:19:34,239 --> 04:19:36,000
I'm for the data center as long as the

6165
04:19:36,000 --> 04:19:40,239
city holds their feet to the fire and uh

6166
04:19:40,239 --> 04:19:41,920
puts them under the right rules and we

6167
04:19:41,920 --> 04:19:45,359
run this thing so that it works out good

6168
04:19:45,359 --> 04:19:48,960
and best for everybody.

6169
04:19:48,960 --> 04:19:52,080
And as a smart elk, I'll say if uh you

6170
04:19:52,080 --> 04:19:53,840
guys allow the data center, the second

6171
04:19:53,840 --> 04:19:55,920
one to be put in, put it down on my

6172
04:19:55,920 --> 04:19:59,030
place.

6173
04:19:59,040 --> 04:20:05,189
Wait. Okay.

6174
04:20:05,199 --> 04:20:07,359
» Okay. Uh, that's all I had signed up.

6175
04:20:07,359 --> 04:20:11,680
Um, any anybody else that that is trying

6176
04:20:11,680 --> 04:20:13,840
to sign up and in the middle of it that

6177
04:20:13,840 --> 04:20:19,030
wants to come up here and speak.

6178
04:20:19,040 --> 04:20:21,680
» Aiden Scott. I'm from Oram. Uh, less

6179
04:20:21,680 --> 04:20:23,279
importantly, I'm a candidate. I'm an

6180
04:20:23,279 --> 04:20:24,960
unaffiliated candidate for the US House

6181
04:20:24,960 --> 04:20:26,640
of Representatives, Congressional

6182
04:20:26,640 --> 04:20:28,960
District 3. Um, I've had the unique

6183
04:20:28,960 --> 04:20:31,760
opportunity to knock thousands of doors

6184
04:20:31,760 --> 04:20:33,760
uh in your neighborhoods and neighboring

6185
04:20:33,760 --> 04:20:37,279
cities as well. Um, and there has been a

6186
04:20:37,279 --> 04:20:39,760
direct opposition for data centers even

6187
04:20:39,760 --> 04:20:41,840
before this announcement. Um, I'd feel

6188
04:20:41,840 --> 04:20:43,600
I'd be doing a disservice to those that

6189
04:20:43,600 --> 04:20:45,199
I've knocked into and they show support

6190
04:20:45,199 --> 04:20:47,439
for me um if I didn't voice their

6191
04:20:47,439 --> 04:20:50,000
opinions. Um, but what I will say is I I

6192
04:20:50,000 --> 04:20:52,159
want to tip my hat to Valition. um

6193
04:20:52,159 --> 04:20:55,439
they've nearly answered all of the

6194
04:20:55,439 --> 04:20:56,880
concerns of those people that I've

6195
04:20:56,880 --> 04:20:59,760
knocked into. Um which I think is

6196
04:20:59,760 --> 04:21:02,800
amazing. Um what I can say is I I do

6197
04:21:02,800 --> 04:21:04,319
want to tip my hat to you guys as well.

6198
04:21:04,319 --> 04:21:05,600
It sounds like you guys have been

6199
04:21:05,600 --> 04:21:08,239
holding uh really rigorous uh hearings

6200
04:21:08,239 --> 04:21:10,000
with each other and opening up to the

6201
04:21:10,000 --> 04:21:12,880
public's amazing. Um what I can say is

6202
04:21:12,880 --> 04:21:14,800
uh and just a reminder and reiteration

6203
04:21:14,800 --> 04:21:17,760
that um you guys represent Spanish Fork

6204
04:21:17,760 --> 04:21:20,080
and uh you have no obligation to

6205
04:21:20,080 --> 04:21:22,000
valition but you do to the people of

6206
04:21:22,000 --> 04:21:24,560
Spanish Fork. Um what I can say from

6207
04:21:24,560 --> 04:21:26,800
knocking doors down in Cedar um with

6208
04:21:26,800 --> 04:21:29,760
their data center is they feel totally

6209
04:21:29,760 --> 04:21:33,279
misrepresented and totally unheard. Um

6210
04:21:33,279 --> 04:21:35,359
today you guys have a really good unique

6211
04:21:35,359 --> 04:21:37,359
opportunity to hear the concerns of many

6212
04:21:37,359 --> 04:21:39,680
of the community and I saw taking notes

6213
04:21:39,680 --> 04:21:42,399
and that's awesome. Um just consider

6214
04:21:42,399 --> 04:21:45,840
them. Um you have one of the greatest

6215
04:21:45,840 --> 04:21:47,920
and fastest growing cities in the state

6216
04:21:47,920 --> 04:21:50,239
and that's because of you guys and the

6217
04:21:50,239 --> 04:21:52,000
hard work that you guys do and your

6218
04:21:52,000 --> 04:21:55,680
ability to represent well. Um, but I

6219
04:21:55,680 --> 04:21:58,479
just want to voice those concerns and

6220
04:21:58,479 --> 04:22:01,279
what I'll say is that those that oppose

6221
04:22:01,279 --> 04:22:03,279
it are probably because they have lack

6222
04:22:03,279 --> 04:22:05,279
of information. I'm not saying whether

6223
04:22:05,279 --> 04:22:08,399
I, you know, am for or against it, but

6224
04:22:08,399 --> 04:22:10,720
information kind of deems their

6225
04:22:10,720 --> 04:22:13,600
perception of our representation. So

6226
04:22:13,600 --> 04:22:15,600
getting those independent studies goes a

6227
04:22:15,600 --> 04:22:18,080
long way. And then having avenues to

6228
04:22:18,080 --> 04:22:20,159
dispel that information to the public

6229
04:22:20,159 --> 04:22:22,159
will probably be the best down the road.

6230
04:22:22,159 --> 04:22:23,520
But I think you guys are doing great

6231
04:22:23,520 --> 04:22:26,159
work and uh just want to shout out the

6232
04:22:26,159 --> 04:22:28,479
public for participating in our

6233
04:22:28,479 --> 04:22:30,239
government because that's the only way

6234
04:22:30,239 --> 04:22:33,439
we see the beauty of it. Thank you.

6235
04:22:33,439 --> 04:22:37,269
>> Appreciate it.

6236
04:22:37,279 --> 04:22:39,199
» Okay. Thank you everybody. I'm not

6237
04:22:39,199 --> 04:22:42,080
getting uh any other any other requests

6238
04:22:42,080 --> 04:22:45,920
here of people that have signed up. Um I

6239
04:22:45,920 --> 04:22:48,239
would uh yeah, we could hear from the

6240
04:22:48,239 --> 04:22:51,520
applicant again. We can we could close

6241
04:22:51,520 --> 04:22:54,399
the public hearing if somebody wants to

6242
04:22:54,399 --> 04:22:56,239
entertain that motion. That doesn't mean

6243
04:22:56,239 --> 04:22:58,479
we can't hear from the applicant and

6244
04:22:58,479 --> 04:23:01,040
staff still and ask questions.

6245
04:23:01,040 --> 04:23:03,120
>> Before we close it, can we maybe give

6246
04:23:03,120 --> 04:23:06,080
just few more seconds to see if there is

6247
04:23:06,080 --> 04:23:07,840
anybody else that wants to speak to

6248
04:23:07,840 --> 04:23:08,319
this?

6249
04:23:08,319 --> 04:23:12,630
>> Can I make one comf?

6250
04:23:12,640 --> 04:23:16,640
» What would it like to be Dr. Westwwater?

6251
04:23:16,640 --> 04:23:18,640
>> Sure.

6252
04:23:18,640 --> 04:23:21,680
I live immediately downwind of the site

6253
04:23:21,680 --> 04:23:24,319
and as we all know if you live downwind

6254
04:23:24,319 --> 04:23:26,000
of Spanish Fort Canyon you're going to

6255
04:23:26,000 --> 04:23:28,960
get a nice blast of wind and that wind

6256
04:23:28,960 --> 04:23:31,439
is going to carry sound. It's going to

6257
04:23:31,439 --> 04:23:35,199
carry heat. So the previous studies of

6258
04:23:35,199 --> 04:23:39,120
how uh contained the the heat and the uh

6259
04:23:39,120 --> 04:23:43,520
sound are I think may not apply in our

6260
04:23:43,520 --> 04:23:46,000
Spanish Fork situation because we get

6261
04:23:46,000 --> 04:23:48,319
that very powerful wind coming down the

6262
04:23:48,319 --> 04:23:52,560
canyon uh uh in the morning. So we're

6263
04:23:52,560 --> 04:23:54,479
going to feel that heat and we're going

6264
04:23:54,479 --> 04:23:57,439
to feel uh hear that noise. Thank you.

6265
04:23:57,439 --> 04:24:01,199
>> Thank you. I uh this is truth that I'm

6266
04:24:01,199 --> 04:24:02,880
going to tell you here, but I have been

6267
04:24:02,880 --> 04:24:05,600
a elected official for 13 years. There

6268
04:24:05,600 --> 04:24:08,800
was an email sent to me when a new

6269
04:24:08,800 --> 04:24:10,640
subdivision at the mouth of the canyon

6270
04:24:10,640 --> 04:24:14,080
was built and some shingles were blown

6271
04:24:14,080 --> 04:24:16,479
off the top of the roof and an email was

6272
04:24:16,479 --> 04:24:18,960
sent to the governing body that said,

6273
04:24:18,960 --> 04:24:21,359
"It's really windy here. The windmills

6274
04:24:21,359 --> 04:24:23,359
were already up, so yes, you should be

6275
04:24:23,359 --> 04:24:25,520
able to know that it's windy there. What

6276
04:24:25,520 --> 04:24:27,359
are you going to do about the wind

6277
04:24:27,359 --> 04:24:30,080
problem in Spanish fork? It's taken off

6278
04:24:30,080 --> 04:24:33,600
my shingles. And uh that's a that was a

6279
04:24:33,600 --> 04:24:34,239
real email.

6280
04:24:34,239 --> 04:24:35,680
>> We don't want to know how you replied.

6281
04:24:35,680 --> 04:24:37,680
>> Yeah, I didn't reply that one. Good.

6282
04:24:37,680 --> 04:24:40,399
>> But that yes, there was a response sent,

6283
04:24:40,399 --> 04:24:42,479
but that was a very real email.

6284
04:24:42,479 --> 04:24:42,960
>> Really?

6285
04:24:42,960 --> 04:24:44,159
>> It was a very real email.

6286
04:24:44,159 --> 04:24:44,960
>> Real email.

6287
04:24:44,960 --> 04:24:46,640
>> Mayor, I would move that we close public

6288
04:24:46,640 --> 04:24:47,600
hearing.

6289
04:24:47,600 --> 04:24:50,720
>> Motion made by Councilman Oiler.

6290
04:24:50,720 --> 04:24:53,279
>> Second. Seconded by Councilwoman Beck to

6291
04:24:53,279 --> 04:24:54,479
close the public hearing portion of

6292
04:24:54,479 --> 04:24:55,760
this. All in favor say yes.

6293
04:24:55,760 --> 04:24:56,640
>> Yes.

6294
04:24:56,640 --> 04:24:59,520
>> The public hearing of this item is

6295
04:24:59,520 --> 04:25:01,680
closed. Again, it goes without saying,

6296
04:25:01,680 --> 04:25:03,359
but thank you. Thank you everybody for,

6297
04:25:03,359 --> 04:25:05,600
you know, we've got your names and notes

6298
04:25:05,600 --> 04:25:07,520
and everything that that were said. So,

6299
04:25:07,520 --> 04:25:08,960
we sure appreciate you sticking with us,

6300
04:25:08,960 --> 04:25:11,120
especially the ones with kids here and

6301
04:25:11,120 --> 04:25:13,680
kids at home. Uh it's uh it's great to

6302
04:25:13,680 --> 04:25:16,080
see you involved in the public

6303
04:25:16,080 --> 04:25:19,439
discussion. Uh Mr. Chavez, is there

6304
04:25:19,439 --> 04:25:20,479
something that

6305
04:25:20,479 --> 04:25:23,120
>> Yeah, I just uh echo appreciate the

6306
04:25:23,120 --> 04:25:27,520
comments. Um I uh there are notes that

6307
04:25:27,520 --> 04:25:28,800
we take. There's things that we'd like

6308
04:25:28,800 --> 04:25:31,040
to be able to, you know, respond to, but

6309
04:25:31,040 --> 04:25:32,319
I don't think that we need to take more

6310
04:25:32,319 --> 04:25:36,239
time to do that. Um we want to make sure

6311
04:25:36,239 --> 04:25:38,479
that we direct people to what will be

6312
04:25:38,479 --> 04:25:42,000
this um you know, growing list of

6313
04:25:42,000 --> 04:25:44,080
answers to detailed questions. We've

6314
04:25:44,080 --> 04:25:48,239
collected you know new angles on some of the similar questions that we've

6315
04:25:48,239 --> 04:25:50,319
heard before. I think uh there are

6316
04:25:50,319 --> 04:25:52,800
things around depreciation that we've uh

6317
04:25:52,800 --> 04:25:54,800
presented before. We will we will

6318
04:25:54,800 --> 04:25:57,439
resurface so that you understand that we

6319
04:25:57,439 --> 04:26:00,080
are factoring in the depreciation of

6320
04:26:00,080 --> 04:26:02,479
equipment how our equipment depreciates

6321
04:26:02,479 --> 04:26:05,600
at a different pace than the GPUs. Also

6322
04:26:05,600 --> 04:26:06,960
I think it's worth noting we'll be

6323
04:26:06,960 --> 04:26:09,199
clarifying that the figures that we put

6324
04:26:09,199 --> 04:26:11,279
up are actually conservative. we're not

6325
04:26:11,279 --> 04:26:13,199
factoring in the additional value that

6326
04:26:13,199 --> 04:26:15,600
will come into the building uh with our

6327
04:26:15,600 --> 04:26:17,840
clients, it may actually be double the

6328
04:26:17,840 --> 04:26:19,439
amount. So, we look forward to, you

6329
04:26:19,439 --> 04:26:22,880
know, showing more data to you and that

6330
04:26:22,880 --> 04:26:25,439
the public can access. Um, and I think

6331
04:26:25,439 --> 04:26:27,120
also going a little deeper on helping

6332
04:26:27,120 --> 04:26:28,560
you understand the viability and

6333
04:26:28,560 --> 04:26:31,120
reliability of the Bloom Fuel cell. Um,

6334
04:26:31,120 --> 04:26:33,279
while their stock may have dropped 10%,

6335
04:26:33,279 --> 04:26:35,760
I think she mentioned uh over the last

6336
04:26:35,760 --> 04:26:38,479
year it's up 300%. And the reason it's

6337
04:26:38,479 --> 04:26:40,720
up 300% is because the market is

6338
04:26:40,720 --> 04:26:43,520
collectively uh validating that the fuel

6339
04:26:43,520 --> 04:26:48,399
cell works. Um it's reliable. It is 15

6340
04:26:48,399 --> 04:26:51,040
years proven. And so I think we'll look

6341
04:26:51,040 --> 04:26:53,359
to demonstrate a variety of additional

6342
04:26:53,359 --> 04:26:55,600
areas where the Bloom and other fuel

6343
04:26:55,600 --> 04:26:57,840
cells have uh been extremely reliable.

6344
04:26:57,840 --> 04:26:59,279
So there's just a couple examples of

6345
04:26:59,279 --> 04:27:00,880
things that we look forward to providing

6346
04:27:00,880 --> 04:27:03,439
more information on. But I think now

6347
04:27:03,439 --> 04:27:04,880
we'd love to hear from you and then if

6348
04:27:04,880 --> 04:27:06,640
you have any questions for me, I'm I'm

6349
04:27:06,640 --> 04:27:08,800
here. Thank you. Perfect. Appreciate you

6350
04:27:08,800 --> 04:27:09,600
staying here, too.

6351
04:27:09,600 --> 04:27:10,960
>> Yeah. Don't go too far, Jeff.

6352
04:27:10,960 --> 04:27:12,880
>> And we'll be here for questions,

6353
04:27:12,880 --> 04:27:15,040
discussion, uh, up here. That's a lot of

6354
04:27:15,040 --> 04:27:19,760
notes, council, that we've taken and, uh, and again, I think, uh, I think

6355
04:27:19,760 --> 04:27:21,439
there's some wisdom in in what's been

6356
04:27:21,439 --> 04:27:24,640
discussed here of of, um, of questions

6357
04:27:24,640 --> 04:27:26,479
and issues that that if you don't feel

6358
04:27:26,479 --> 04:27:28,239
like, you know, that there's answers

6359
04:27:28,239 --> 04:27:30,000
that you want to get to and things like

6360
04:27:30,000 --> 04:27:32,720
that that there's, you know, possibly

6361
04:27:32,720 --> 04:27:35,760
time to do that. So, uh, I don't know

6362
04:27:35,760 --> 04:27:37,920
when you all turn into pumpkins. Uh, if

6363
04:27:37,920 --> 04:27:39,840
it's at to It's early.

6364
04:27:39,840 --> 04:27:41,760
>> Okay. It's early. Kevin's

6365
04:27:41,760 --> 04:27:44,000
>> Kevin's had his going to say caffeine,

6366
04:27:44,000 --> 04:27:45,840
but he's just have water. Let's see how

6367
04:27:45,840 --> 04:27:47,840
far the Mountain Dew.

6368
04:27:47,840 --> 04:27:50,399
>> Yeah. I would I I would say again, um,

6369
04:27:50,399 --> 04:27:52,399
thanks for the the the respectful nature

6370
04:27:52,399 --> 04:27:56,479
of, you know, I think Mr. Chavez, you

6371
04:27:56,479 --> 04:27:57,520
said there's something different about

6372
04:27:57,520 --> 04:27:58,640
Spanish Fork. There is something

6373
04:27:58,640 --> 04:28:00,080
different about Spanish Fork. and what

6374
04:28:00,080 --> 04:28:02,000
it is, whether you live in Mapleton, and

6375
04:28:02,000 --> 04:28:03,279
I did talk to your mayor and said, "Hey,

6376
04:28:03,279 --> 04:28:04,080
we're going to have some of your

6377
04:28:04,080 --> 04:28:05,120
residents here tonight." And I'm going

6378
04:28:05,120 --> 04:28:06,319
to let them speak, and it's going to be

6379
04:28:06,319 --> 04:28:07,840
great. So, let them know they can come

6380
04:28:07,840 --> 04:28:10,159
to our our city and and speak. That's

6381
04:28:10,159 --> 04:28:12,080
not always a common thing, but thank

6382
04:28:12,080 --> 04:28:14,399
you. Thank you for coming uh uh wherever

6383
04:28:14,399 --> 04:28:19,520
you came from. Uh and the the way we do it in Spanish for is we ask questions

6384
04:28:19,520 --> 04:28:21,199
and we try to get answers and we try to

6385
04:28:21,199 --> 04:28:24,560
get facts uh o over maybe fiction or

6386
04:28:24,560 --> 04:28:27,520
emotion or whatever it may be. Um even

6387
04:28:27,520 --> 04:28:29,120
those subjects are emotion. And the

6388
04:28:29,120 --> 04:28:31,359
reason is is because we have a history

6389
04:28:31,359 --> 04:28:32,880
of seeing each other in the grocery

6390
04:28:32,880 --> 04:28:35,120
store or in the schools or in the church

6391
04:28:35,120 --> 04:28:37,840
pews and not necessarily attacking each

6392
04:28:37,840 --> 04:28:40,239
other on on on the way we think or why

6393
04:28:40,239 --> 04:28:42,399
we think what we think, but that we are

6394
04:28:42,399 --> 04:28:43,920
a community together. And so I

6395
04:28:43,920 --> 04:28:46,080
appreciate all of you keeping keeping

6396
04:28:46,080 --> 04:28:47,840
that respect in your in your public

6397
04:28:47,840 --> 04:28:49,920
comments and your questions here and and

6398
04:28:49,920 --> 04:28:50,880
you're going to see that from your

6399
04:28:50,880 --> 04:28:53,840
elected officials as well uh to to to

6400
04:28:53,840 --> 04:28:55,760
talk about the merits of things and and

6401
04:28:55,760 --> 04:28:58,319
not not the personal side of things. So

6402
04:28:58,319 --> 04:28:59,680
that's my warning to Kevin because

6403
04:28:59,680 --> 04:29:01,520
sometimes he gets in that way. I mean, I

6404
04:29:01,520 --> 04:29:02,159
was just going to start.

6405
04:29:02,159 --> 04:29:04,399
>> He goes after I he went after someone

6406
04:29:04,399 --> 04:29:06,479
from PAC a couple weeks ago and

6407
04:29:06,479 --> 04:29:08,399
>> there was a guy from PAC here. He said

6408
04:29:08,399 --> 04:29:09,199
something about PAC.

6409
04:29:09,199 --> 04:29:11,920
>> Oh, it's PAC

6410
04:29:11,920 --> 04:29:13,600
>> again here tonight.

6411
04:29:13,600 --> 04:29:16,399
>> Um, mayor, I would just like to say the

6412
04:29:16,399 --> 04:29:18,080
similar thing that the conversation

6413
04:29:18,080 --> 04:29:21,359
tonight was really good. Um, I learned

6414
04:29:21,359 --> 04:29:23,920
some things that, you know, I need to

6415
04:29:23,920 --> 04:29:26,720
ask more questions about. I appreciate

6416
04:29:26,720 --> 04:29:30,319
some passion that was shown. Um,

6417
04:29:30,319 --> 04:29:32,159
some

6418
04:29:32,159 --> 04:29:34,880
really good points, but all in a in a

6419
04:29:34,880 --> 04:29:35,760
very

6420
04:29:35,760 --> 04:29:36,159
>> Yeah.

6421
04:29:36,159 --> 04:29:39,040
>> productive way tonight. Um, we only got

6422
04:29:39,040 --> 04:29:42,399
told one time that there is in in it

6423
04:29:42,399 --> 04:29:43,680
there's something in it for us

6424
04:29:43,680 --> 04:29:45,840
personally. Um, and I thought that might

6425
04:29:45,840 --> 04:29:47,600
come up more than it did. So, I thank

6426
04:29:47,600 --> 04:29:48,800
you all. There was nothing in it

6427
04:29:48,800 --> 04:29:50,640
personally for us, only the benefit of

6428
04:29:50,640 --> 04:29:52,880
our community. Um, one way or the other,

6429
04:29:52,880 --> 04:29:53,840
that's what we're that's what we're

6430
04:29:53,840 --> 04:29:55,920
looking out for. So, I appreciate the

6431
04:29:55,920 --> 04:29:58,399
citizens coming and coming with the

6432
04:29:58,399 --> 04:30:00,880
passions you brought and really giving

6433
04:30:00,880 --> 04:30:04,080
us something to think about. Um, I guess

6434
04:30:04,080 --> 04:30:05,520
buckle up for the next couple hours and

6435
04:30:05,520 --> 04:30:06,880
let's have some more conversations about

6436
04:30:06,880 --> 04:30:07,760
this thing.

6437
04:30:07,760 --> 04:30:10,239
>> I turn into a pumpkin at 10:30.

6438
04:30:10,239 --> 04:30:11,040
>> Well,

6439
04:30:11,040 --> 04:30:12,800
>> and it's

6440
04:30:12,800 --> 04:30:13,199
now

6441
04:30:13,199 --> 04:30:14,800
>> I wanted to also say quickly if there

6442
04:30:14,800 --> 04:30:16,399
are people in the room next door, we

6443
04:30:16,399 --> 04:30:19,120
probably have 20 empty seats. If you

6444
04:30:19,120 --> 04:30:20,720
guys would like to join us in here, it

6445
04:30:20,720 --> 04:30:22,479
might be a little more comfortable.

6446
04:30:22,479 --> 04:30:24,159
>> Nobody's over there. Okay.

6447
04:30:24,159 --> 04:30:25,920
>> I think maybe adding to what you guys

6448
04:30:25,920 --> 04:30:27,920
just said though too is I think it's

6449
04:30:27,920 --> 04:30:29,359
important to note that we've received at

6450
04:30:29,359 --> 04:30:31,120
least I personally have received I put

6451
04:30:31,120 --> 04:30:33,680
it into a folder because never in my

6452
04:30:33,680 --> 04:30:35,120
four years of serving and I guess I

6453
04:30:35,120 --> 04:30:36,479
haven't I don't have as long as some of

6454
04:30:36,479 --> 04:30:38,239
the folks up here. I haven't had asking

6455
04:30:38,239 --> 04:30:40,640
about wind blowing my shingles off but

6456
04:30:40,640 --> 04:30:43,840
um I have 80 emails about this data

6457
04:30:43,840 --> 04:30:46,560
center both for and against the the idea

6458
04:30:46,560 --> 04:30:49,279
of the data center. So um our community

6459
04:30:49,279 --> 04:30:51,439
is involved. They're they are voicing

6460
04:30:51,439 --> 04:30:54,080
what they feel and I I appreciate it.

6461
04:30:54,080 --> 04:30:56,880
And most of those emails are productive.

6462
04:30:56,880 --> 04:30:59,279
Most of them are not saying things that

6463
04:30:59,279 --> 04:31:01,439
are negative. It's this is why I want

6464
04:31:01,439 --> 04:31:02,960
this or this is why I don't want this.

6465
04:31:02,960 --> 04:31:05,680
And so I appreciate all of the comments

6466
04:31:05,680 --> 04:31:07,920
both from email, from conversations I've

6467
04:31:07,920 --> 04:31:10,239
had in public, but also in here. So

6468
04:31:10,239 --> 04:31:14,710
thank you.

6469
04:31:14,720 --> 04:31:16,640
Uh

6470
04:31:16,640 --> 04:31:18,960
yeah. Is is there some questions that

6471
04:31:18,960 --> 04:31:21,120
were were burning at the top that you

6472
04:31:21,120 --> 04:31:22,720
thought were were some new things that

6473
04:31:22,720 --> 04:31:25,439
you maybe wanted to to ask the applicant

6474
04:31:25,439 --> 04:31:27,840
about or or the or the city staff about?

6475
04:31:27,840 --> 04:31:32,080
I I will tell you again um you saw from

6476
04:31:32,080 --> 04:31:34,640
other public hearings the to even

6477
04:31:34,640 --> 04:31:36,640
tonight but if you follow Spanish fork

6478
04:31:36,640 --> 04:31:41,040
politics too much you'll know that um

6479
04:31:41,040 --> 04:31:44,720
we're looking for ways to to uh you know

6480
04:31:44,720 --> 04:31:46,080
there's a private business that's

6481
04:31:46,080 --> 04:31:47,760
approached the city about doing

6482
04:31:47,760 --> 04:31:50,080
something and so we I've tried to look

6483
04:31:50,080 --> 04:31:53,040
at it in that lens uh all the time of

6484
04:31:53,040 --> 04:31:56,560
that that um that there's been instances

6485
04:31:56,560 --> 04:31:59,120
over the past decade where uh for one

6486
04:31:59,120 --> 04:32:02,000
reason or another we've we've said yes

6487
04:32:02,000 --> 04:32:07,279
to to to private companies coming and and maybe stretched it on parking or

6488
04:32:07,279 --> 04:32:08,960
something like that. I can I can think

6489
04:32:08,960 --> 04:32:11,840
of a couple now uh that that come to

6490
04:32:11,840 --> 04:32:14,560
mind and uh thankfully some of those

6491
04:32:14,560 --> 04:32:17,359
companies have made right after after

6492
04:32:17,359 --> 04:32:19,120
we've probably been like, "Yeah, we

6493
04:32:19,120 --> 04:32:21,120
really want that building to be redone

6494
04:32:21,120 --> 04:32:24,080
or whatever it may be." and and and

6495
04:32:24,080 --> 04:32:26,479
thankfully those things have been, you

6496
04:32:26,479 --> 04:32:28,479
know, have been remedied and and and

6497
04:32:28,479 --> 04:32:30,239
things like that. The lens we're looking

6498
04:32:30,239 --> 04:32:34,479
at when a private business like this is applying to something, this is a

6499
04:32:34,479 --> 04:32:35,680
little bit special because they're

6500
04:32:35,680 --> 04:32:38,159
asking to not pay a power bill to

6501
04:32:38,159 --> 04:32:40,319
Spanish Fork. If you or I and our

6502
04:32:40,319 --> 04:32:41,760
business say we don't want to pay a

6503
04:32:41,760 --> 04:32:43,600
power bill,

6504
04:32:43,600 --> 04:32:45,279
that's that would be a public hearing,

6505
04:32:45,279 --> 04:32:48,640
too. So, remember, that's what we're talking about here.

6506
04:32:48,640 --> 04:32:52,080
It's not that we get to say,

6507
04:32:52,080 --> 04:32:54,000
uh, this chicken restaurant's better

6508
04:32:54,000 --> 04:32:55,439
than this chicken restaurant, so we're

6509
04:32:55,439 --> 04:32:57,359
allowing that chicken restaurant. I know

6510
04:32:57,359 --> 04:32:59,359
everybody loves the chicken restaurant

6511
04:32:59,359 --> 04:33:02,080
analogy, but that's what government,

6512
04:33:02,080 --> 04:33:04,879
let's especially local government

6513
04:33:04,879 --> 04:33:07,520
doesn't get that, you know, and and

6514
04:33:07,520 --> 04:33:08,561
really, do you would you want that

6515
04:33:08,561 --> 04:33:10,240
oversight? Would you want government to

6516
04:33:10,240 --> 04:33:13,039
just say this is what private business

6517
04:33:13,039 --> 04:33:14,959
can and can't do? We're we're we're for

6518
04:33:14,959 --> 04:33:17,439
private business being safe and uh and

6519
04:33:17,439 --> 04:33:22,561
effective and and generating revenue for all of what we do. And that's what

6520
04:33:22,561 --> 04:33:24,480
we're trying to weigh here as a council

6521
04:33:24,480 --> 04:33:26,561
in this uh in this private business

6522
04:33:26,561 --> 04:33:28,400
application.

6523
04:33:28,400 --> 04:33:29,920
Um

6524
04:33:29,920 --> 04:33:31,920
questions. Did you highlight any that

6525
04:33:31,920 --> 04:33:34,799
you wanted to start off with uh and and

6526
04:33:34,799 --> 04:33:36,240
try to get answers to?

6527
04:33:36,240 --> 04:33:38,639
>> Yes. Jeff, we'll start with you if

6528
04:33:38,639 --> 04:33:40,639
that's all right. Got a few questions

6529
04:33:40,639 --> 04:33:44,320
for you first. if you could in your best

6530
04:33:44,320 --> 04:33:46,719
voice possible share your website where

6531
04:33:46,719 --> 04:33:50,000
people can go to see the questions that

6532
04:33:50,000 --> 04:33:51,920
you've been answering kind of what you

6533
04:33:51,920 --> 04:33:53,039
showed earlier.

6534
04:33:53,039 --> 04:33:59,510
>> Yeah, it's valition.eco

6535
04:33:59,520 --> 04:34:00,799
Spanishfork.

6536
04:34:00,799 --> 04:34:04,080
>> Okay, perfect. Thank you. Couple of

6537
04:34:04,080 --> 04:34:07,039
questions for you. Um,

6538
04:34:07,039 --> 04:34:09,279
how much are you paying to purchase the

6539
04:34:09,279 --> 04:34:10,320
building? That was kind of

6540
04:34:10,320 --> 04:34:11,439
>> Yeah. I know. It's great that you

6541
04:34:11,439 --> 04:34:13,600
brought it up because uh somebody just

6542
04:34:13,600 --> 04:34:15,439
mentioned 14 million.

6543
04:34:15,439 --> 04:34:18,879
>> It's we're buying the building for 142

6544
04:34:18,879 --> 04:34:19,840
million.

6545
04:34:19,840 --> 04:34:21,920
>> Yeah. I would love for Spanish for to

6546
04:34:21,920 --> 04:34:24,639
put a park there or a bike track, but

6547
04:34:24,639 --> 04:34:27,600
it' be an expensive park.

6548
04:34:27,600 --> 04:34:29,119
>> 142

6549
04:34:29,119 --> 04:34:30,160
afterwards.

6550
04:34:30,160 --> 04:34:31,199
>> Yeah.

6551
04:34:31,199 --> 04:34:32,000
>> Okay.

6552
04:34:32,000 --> 04:34:34,400
>> Thank you for sharing that. Um do you

6553
04:34:34,400 --> 04:34:36,959
plan on using any battery storage with

6554
04:34:36,959 --> 04:34:40,400
your facility? No, there's no no battery

6555
04:34:40,400 --> 04:34:47,199
storage on this design. Uh, let me let me correct that.

6556
04:34:47,199 --> 04:34:49,119
Um,

6557
04:34:49,119 --> 04:34:52,000
our design with Bloom

6558
04:34:52,000 --> 04:34:54,561
does not require battery.

6559
04:34:54,561 --> 04:34:58,000
If for some reason we utilized another

6560
04:34:58,000 --> 04:35:02,320
fuel cell, um if there was an inventory

6561
04:35:02,320 --> 04:35:04,480
problem with bloom or something like

6562
04:35:04,480 --> 04:35:06,799
that, if we were to use something like

6563
04:35:06,799 --> 04:35:12,480
the um fuel cell energy product,

6564
04:35:12,480 --> 04:35:15,199
we probably would feel comfortable

6565
04:35:15,199 --> 04:35:17,680
adding some battery storage to

6566
04:35:17,680 --> 04:35:22,080
complement that battery because there is

6567
04:35:22,080 --> 04:35:27,359
a a process of evening out what we call

6568
04:35:27,359 --> 04:35:30,240
workloads coming in and out of the

6569
04:35:30,240 --> 04:35:33,279
facility and so there could be a

6570
04:35:33,279 --> 04:35:36,240
scenario where uh a battery could be

6571
04:35:36,240 --> 04:35:39,439
used in a configuration with a fuel cell

6572
04:35:39,439 --> 04:35:40,561
other than bloom.

6573
04:35:40,561 --> 04:35:44,080
>> Okay. Thank you. Not looking at just

6574
04:35:44,080 --> 04:35:46,719
valition but the industry in general.

6575
04:35:46,719 --> 04:35:50,080
What can you give an estimate as to what

6576
04:35:50,080 --> 04:35:52,160
it would cost

6577
04:35:52,160 --> 04:35:55,199
Valition or a data center when it comes

6578
04:35:55,199 --> 04:35:58,080
to your customers if you were down for a

6579
04:35:58,080 --> 04:36:00,639
day?

6580
04:36:00,639 --> 04:36:05,760
Yeah. So, um we have the SLA service

6581
04:36:05,760 --> 04:36:09,039
level agreement that we agree to that

6582
04:36:09,039 --> 04:36:12,000
requires our uptime.

6583
04:36:12,000 --> 04:36:15,920
Um and so we have a very small grace

6584
04:36:15,920 --> 04:36:20,320
period like 4 minutes if we're down

6585
04:36:20,320 --> 04:36:21,920
where there's no penalty and then it

6586
04:36:21,920 --> 04:36:25,760
increases from there. Um

6587
04:36:25,760 --> 04:36:29,279
so forget about a day. If we are down

6588
04:36:29,279 --> 04:36:33,520
for eight hours, for example,

6589
04:36:33,520 --> 04:36:37,840
um it could theoretically cost us

6590
04:36:37,840 --> 04:36:40,160
uh

6591
04:36:40,160 --> 04:36:44,949
over $50 million,

6592
04:36:44,959 --> 04:36:46,320
eight hours.

6593
04:36:46,320 --> 04:36:48,480
>> Yes.

6594
04:36:48,480 --> 04:36:50,799
What are some scenarios that could cause

6595
04:36:50,799 --> 04:36:53,680
that to happen?

6596
04:36:53,680 --> 04:36:56,160
>> Um catastrophic.

6597
04:36:56,160 --> 04:36:58,480
So when we look at the way the fuel cell

6598
04:36:58,480 --> 04:37:00,959
is built, so the primary way that

6599
04:37:00,959 --> 04:37:03,279
something would cause us to go down to

6600
04:37:03,279 --> 04:37:07,199
that level is just an you know a total

6601
04:37:07,199 --> 04:37:10,240
uh reduction in power.

6602
04:37:10,240 --> 04:37:13,199
And so we build the system so that we

6603
04:37:13,199 --> 04:37:17,359
have uh a huge amount of backup.

6604
04:37:17,359 --> 04:37:20,080
I'm making something up. If there's a

6605
04:37:20,080 --> 04:37:22,240
forklift driver who somehow lost control

6606
04:37:22,240 --> 04:37:24,799
and knocked out a portion of the fuel

6607
04:37:24,799 --> 04:37:28,160
cell, then we immediately move into

6608
04:37:28,160 --> 04:37:30,719
emergency scenario where natural gas is

6609
04:37:30,719 --> 04:37:34,639
shut off. Um but we have enough

6610
04:37:34,639 --> 04:37:36,160
redundancy

6611
04:37:36,160 --> 04:37:39,119
on the property that that kind of

6612
04:37:39,119 --> 04:37:42,639
scenario will not affect um our our

6613
04:37:42,639 --> 04:37:46,879
uptime. Uh but a massive earthquake

6614
04:37:46,879 --> 04:37:50,400
um you know a real substantial event

6615
04:37:50,400 --> 04:37:52,639
that's knocking down all of our power in

6616
04:37:52,639 --> 04:37:55,600
the city and nobody has power and nobody

6617
04:37:55,600 --> 04:37:59,840
has a gas. Uh that's a scenario but we

6618
04:37:59,840 --> 04:38:01,680
do that that is also the one scenario

6619
04:38:01,680 --> 04:38:03,520
where in our agreement we actually have

6620
04:38:03,520 --> 04:38:07,359
coverage uh force majour where uh we

6621
04:38:07,359 --> 04:38:10,320
would not face those penalties. So where

6622
04:38:10,320 --> 04:38:15,119
we're uh primarily at risk would be um

6623
04:38:15,119 --> 04:38:16,959
you know some kind of on-site

6624
04:38:16,959 --> 04:38:18,879
operational

6625
04:38:18,879 --> 04:38:21,199
breakdown where we would have to see a

6626
04:38:21,199 --> 04:38:24,240
really large section of fu of fuel cells

6627
04:38:24,240 --> 04:38:28,160
all at once go down. Um, and the way

6628
04:38:28,160 --> 04:38:30,799
that the fuel cells are built, uh, where

6629
04:38:30,799 --> 04:38:34,320
they are kind of daisychained, islanded

6630
04:38:34,320 --> 04:38:37,840
blocks, uh, they're built so that if one

6631
04:38:37,840 --> 04:38:40,879
goes down, the rest don't go down. So,

6632
04:38:40,879 --> 04:38:44,080
we are comfortable, it's a little

6633
04:38:44,080 --> 04:38:46,240
nerve-wracking, but we're comfortable

6634
04:38:46,240 --> 04:38:50,959
with that seriously punitive risk of

6635
04:38:50,959 --> 04:38:55,439
being down for several hours. Um we

6636
04:38:55,439 --> 04:38:58,480
don't expect that to happen.

6637
04:38:58,480 --> 04:39:02,320
>> Um one more question from me. A lot of

6638
04:39:02,320 --> 04:39:04,799
people or a lot of concerns have been

6639
04:39:04,799 --> 04:39:08,959
raised about Volition as a company. Um

6640
04:39:08,959 --> 04:39:12,320
speak to that a little bit meaning the

6641
04:39:12,320 --> 04:39:14,639
concern of Spanish Fork being a guinea

6642
04:39:14,639 --> 04:39:18,480
pig. Speak to

6643
04:39:18,480 --> 04:39:20,719
your team and the people around you.

6644
04:39:20,719 --> 04:39:23,680
>> Yeah. Um, I'd prefer to put, you know,

6645
04:39:23,680 --> 04:39:25,279
these slides up that illustrate. I don't

6646
04:39:25,279 --> 04:39:26,400
want to do that. We're just going to

6647
04:39:26,400 --> 04:39:30,879
talk right now. Um, so the way that we

6648
04:39:30,879 --> 04:39:33,279
operate is not different than the way

6649
04:39:33,279 --> 04:39:34,799
many

6650
04:39:34,799 --> 04:39:37,600
large uh companies still operate today.

6651
04:39:37,600 --> 04:39:41,120
Nike is one, Nvidia is one where the

6652
04:39:41,120 --> 04:39:44,878
company has a core team, a vision, a

6653
04:39:44,878 --> 04:39:48,000
capability, but to accomplish that

6654
04:39:48,000 --> 04:39:51,760
vision, they have to rely on a myriad of

6655
04:39:51,760 --> 04:39:56,320
third-party contractors to um

6656
04:39:56,320 --> 04:39:59,760
manufacture chips, any number of

6657
04:39:59,760 --> 04:40:02,080
mechanisms to bring about a final

6658
04:40:02,080 --> 04:40:06,320
product. and valition uh operates in the

6659
04:40:06,320 --> 04:40:09,040
same way as really an orchestrator. So

6660
04:40:09,040 --> 04:40:12,718
we are a group of original team that has

6661
04:40:12,718 --> 04:40:16,080
expertise in uh identifying business

6662
04:40:16,080 --> 04:40:20,320
models, managing capital, um very well

6663
04:40:20,320 --> 04:40:23,840
networked in the technology industry. uh

6664
04:40:23,840 --> 04:40:27,200
decades of experience in managing a P&L,

6665
04:40:27,200 --> 04:40:29,840
managing teams, uh understanding

6666
04:40:29,840 --> 04:40:32,480
technology, understanding trends,

6667
04:40:32,480 --> 04:40:34,320
understanding software, understanding

6668
04:40:34,320 --> 04:40:37,280
data to give us enough insight to

6669
04:40:37,280 --> 04:40:40,400
understand uh the opportunity at hand

6670
04:40:40,400 --> 04:40:43,760
and the way that we could innovate. Um

6671
04:40:43,760 --> 04:40:45,680
so the company was formed three years

6672
04:40:45,680 --> 04:40:49,440
ago um after having understood that

6673
04:40:49,440 --> 04:40:51,760
there is a way to do data centers

6674
04:40:51,760 --> 04:40:55,680
better. Um we are a team of seasoned

6675
04:40:55,680 --> 04:40:59,920
professionals. Um our uh chief strategy

6676
04:40:59,920 --> 04:41:02,798
officer Brian who is here with us for

6677
04:41:02,798 --> 04:41:06,000
example spent uh over a decade or about

6678
04:41:06,000 --> 04:41:10,958
a decade um high level Fortune50

6679
04:41:10,958 --> 04:41:14,000
um projects while on the strategy team

6680
04:41:14,000 --> 04:41:17,600
at Salesforce. Um, our head of capital

6681
04:41:17,600 --> 04:41:19,680
development has been involved in

6682
04:41:19,680 --> 04:41:23,120
billions of dollars of clean energy

6683
04:41:23,120 --> 04:41:25,760
projects and financing and mechanisms to

6684
04:41:25,760 --> 04:41:27,920
ensure that those are successful. And I

6685
04:41:27,920 --> 04:41:30,240
could go down down the list. Uh, we're

6686
04:41:30,240 --> 04:41:32,878
small but extremely experienced as a

6687
04:41:32,878 --> 04:41:35,760
team. We've also stayed small because we

6688
04:41:35,760 --> 04:41:38,560
are economically prudent. Uh, we could

6689
04:41:38,560 --> 04:41:41,760
have hired 30 people by now. Um, but

6690
04:41:41,760 --> 04:41:43,440
we're trying to make sure that our

6691
04:41:43,440 --> 04:41:46,240
business model, uh, is healthy as we

6692
04:41:46,240 --> 04:41:48,638
move into these projects that we have

6693
04:41:48,638 --> 04:41:51,680
the opportunity to build. So, uh, we

6694
04:41:51,680 --> 04:41:54,320
think we're a very well-qualified team.

6695
04:41:54,320 --> 04:41:56,080
And because we're qualified, we have

6696
04:41:56,080 --> 04:41:57,760
gained the trust of third-party

6697
04:41:57,760 --> 04:42:01,040
operators who have decades of experience

6698
04:42:01,040 --> 04:42:02,958
in implementing everything that we

6699
04:42:02,958 --> 04:42:04,320
propose to implement. Big D

6700
04:42:04,320 --> 04:42:07,680
construction, link engineering, AEIA,

6701
04:42:07,680 --> 04:42:12,718
uh Hunt Electric. Um, and these teams

6702
04:42:12,718 --> 04:42:15,040
have to do their own due diligence about

6703
04:42:15,040 --> 04:42:17,040
who will they work with. There's no

6704
04:42:17,040 --> 04:42:18,878
shortage of people who claim to be able

6705
04:42:18,878 --> 04:42:20,638
to go out and build a data center right

6706
04:42:20,638 --> 04:42:24,958
now. Um it's a pretty hot uh industry

6707
04:42:24,958 --> 04:42:26,638
and I can assure you that the parties

6708
04:42:26,638 --> 04:42:29,760
who have contracted with us um

6709
04:42:29,760 --> 04:42:32,240
ultimately chose to work with us for a

6710
04:42:32,240 --> 04:42:35,280
reason and um so they have confidence in

6711
04:42:35,280 --> 04:42:43,120
us, we have confidence in them. So our youth as a an organization

6712
04:42:43,120 --> 04:42:47,120
um is not indicative of our experience

6713
04:42:47,120 --> 04:42:50,160
over the decades.

6714
04:42:50,160 --> 04:42:53,360
I lied. I've got one more

6715
04:42:53,360 --> 04:42:56,080
>> liar. It was mentioned or brought up

6716
04:42:56,080 --> 04:42:58,798
tonight. Would you be comfortable or

6717
04:42:58,798 --> 04:43:01,200
willing to include in a contractual

6718
04:43:01,200 --> 04:43:04,000
agreement moving or locating Bloom

6719
04:43:04,000 --> 04:43:06,400
headquarters to Spanish for

6720
04:43:06,400 --> 04:43:07,760
>> uh valition headquarters?

6721
04:43:07,760 --> 04:43:10,560
>> Sorry, Valition. Sorry

6722
04:43:10,560 --> 04:43:12,560
question at least.

6723
04:43:12,560 --> 04:43:15,280
>> Valition's headquarters to Spanish.

6724
04:43:15,280 --> 04:43:17,840
>> That is Yeah, we will agree to that.

6725
04:43:17,840 --> 04:43:19,360
is our intention. We want to be

6726
04:43:19,360 --> 04:43:21,360
here

6727
04:43:21,360 --> 04:43:25,110
contractually.

6728
04:43:25,120 --> 04:43:26,400
» When would you like me to? You want to

6729
04:43:26,400 --> 04:43:28,160
give me a document? If you tell us that

6730
04:43:28,160 --> 04:43:29,520
we're going to be able to move forward,

6731
04:43:29,520 --> 04:43:31,200
I'll put it in writing right now. I'll

6732
04:43:31,200 --> 04:43:33,600
write on the back of this paper that we

6733
04:43:33,600 --> 04:43:35,600
would agree to to put our headquarters

6734
04:43:35,600 --> 04:43:37,280
here. There's no

6735
04:43:37,280 --> 04:43:38,560
>> that the thing that, you know, it's

6736
04:43:38,560 --> 04:43:40,160
hard. I understand. I appreciate

6737
04:43:40,160 --> 04:43:43,040
people's concerns. Um there are no

6738
04:43:43,040 --> 04:43:45,040
tricks in what we're proposing to you

6739
04:43:45,040 --> 04:43:46,718
any.

6740
04:43:46,718 --> 04:43:48,638
>> Thank you, Jeff. That's now I'm done.

6741
04:43:48,638 --> 04:43:50,560
>> So, this isn't a question that I'm going

6742
04:43:50,560 --> 04:43:52,638
to ask, but it's it's a statement that

6743
04:43:52,638 --> 04:43:55,040
when if you're all here and most of you

6744
04:43:55,040 --> 04:43:56,400
are here at the first of this meeting

6745
04:43:56,400 --> 04:43:58,480
and we went to the meetings of the

6746
04:43:58,480 --> 04:44:00,878
council members went to one of the uh

6747
04:44:00,878 --> 04:44:03,280
one of the sections that I go to and

6748
04:44:03,280 --> 04:44:06,878
Stacy goes to for me a lot is UMPA.

6749
04:44:06,878 --> 04:44:09,360
We're a public power city, so you pay

6750
04:44:09,360 --> 04:44:12,480
your power with your city bill. um that

6751
04:44:12,480 --> 04:44:14,240
we're part of an organization called

6752
04:44:14,240 --> 04:44:18,878
UMPA that uh is us and Salem and Provo

6753
04:44:18,878 --> 04:44:21,840
and Manti and Levan and Nephi. All

6754
04:44:21,840 --> 04:44:24,958
together we have contracts to purchase

6755
04:44:24,958 --> 04:44:28,080
power. We are owners of pieces of power

6756
04:44:28,080 --> 04:44:31,040
plants that make up your energy mix of

6757
04:44:31,040 --> 04:44:32,638
when you turn your lights on in Spanish

6758
04:44:32,638 --> 04:44:36,080
Fork. You are using some solar, you are

6759
04:44:36,080 --> 04:44:38,080
using some wind, you are using some

6760
04:44:38,080 --> 04:44:40,320
coal, you are using some natural gas,

6761
04:44:40,320 --> 04:44:42,480
you are using some hydroelectric. And

6762
04:44:42,480 --> 04:44:45,440
now it's pretty on the top of

6763
04:44:45,440 --> 04:44:47,680
everybody's mind about how long you're

6764
04:44:47,680 --> 04:44:49,520
going to be able to use hydroelectric

6765
04:44:49,520 --> 04:44:53,680
power with the levels of of Lake Me and

6766
04:44:53,680 --> 04:44:55,840
when that's going to stop. It's

6767
04:44:55,840 --> 04:44:58,320
unnerving to a public power consortium

6768
04:44:58,320 --> 04:45:00,160
too of that's a that's a big part of

6769
04:45:00,160 --> 04:45:02,400
your power mix that we get that power

6770
04:45:02,400 --> 04:45:04,718
from. I will tell you the fuel cell

6771
04:45:04,718 --> 04:45:07,520
technology uh if if if you've paid

6772
04:45:07,520 --> 04:45:09,120
attention to our public meetings in the

6773
04:45:09,120 --> 04:45:10,798
past,

6774
04:45:10,798 --> 04:45:13,680
the fuel cell technology in 2028 will be

6775
04:45:13,680 --> 04:45:16,320
powering our homes here in Spanish Fork.

6776
04:45:16,320 --> 04:45:19,040
That that plant is already approved and

6777
04:45:19,040 --> 04:45:23,440
being built uh in Nei uh with not Bloom

6778
04:45:23,440 --> 04:45:24,958
technology but similar

6779
04:45:24,958 --> 04:45:28,000
>> main spring And just to just to

6780
04:45:28,000 --> 04:45:30,000
clarify, so it's not a fuel cell, but it

6781
04:45:30,000 --> 04:45:32,798
is a it's a horizontal uh generator, but

6782
04:45:32,798 --> 04:45:36,798
there's many of the same um aspects and

6783
04:45:36,798 --> 04:45:38,320
elements. It fits into the same

6784
04:45:38,320 --> 04:45:41,520
category. For example, our proposed text

6785
04:45:41,520 --> 04:45:43,840
amendment meets the requirements. If we

6786
04:45:43,840 --> 04:45:45,920
ever used mainspring, it would meet the

6787
04:45:45,920 --> 04:45:47,680
requirement. Just to be clear on record,

6788
04:45:47,680 --> 04:45:48,798
it's not a fuel cell.

6789
04:45:48,798 --> 04:45:49,920
>> Okay.

6790
04:45:49,920 --> 04:45:52,160
>> But natural gas, yes. Uh

6791
04:45:52,160 --> 04:45:54,718
>> low emissions, low sound, all of those

6792
04:45:54,718 --> 04:45:56,480
things. So I guess in the in the nature

6793
04:45:56,480 --> 04:45:58,080
of and there were some good questions in

6794
04:45:58,080 --> 04:46:00,878
your open houses Jeff about hey why do

6795
04:46:00,878 --> 04:46:02,958
we this is brand new technology and why

6796
04:46:02,958 --> 04:46:05,280
would we do this just as your mayor I

6797
04:46:05,280 --> 04:46:07,120
kind of want to let you know you will be

6798
04:46:07,120 --> 04:46:10,320
participating in purchasing power from

6799
04:46:10,320 --> 04:46:12,638
uh things like this uh it's it's already

6800
04:46:12,638 --> 04:46:15,040
in the works because we want to make

6801
04:46:15,040 --> 04:46:15,840
sure

6802
04:46:15,840 --> 04:46:18,240
>> your base load power is reliable and

6803
04:46:18,240 --> 04:46:20,320
this is part of the technology that's

6804
04:46:20,320 --> 04:46:22,400
making that possible for for all of us.

6805
04:46:22,400 --> 04:46:24,080
So when you say you don't mean Jeff, you

6806
04:46:24,080 --> 04:46:26,160
mean you collectively the citizens of

6807
04:46:26,160 --> 04:46:27,360
Spanish will be using this?

6808
04:46:27,360 --> 04:46:29,120
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. I just want

6809
04:46:29,120 --> 04:46:31,440
to make sure what I'm getting at is I

6810
04:46:31,440 --> 04:46:33,840
don't think this is uh this is just uh

6811
04:46:33,840 --> 04:46:36,878
some technology for uh on-site power

6812
04:46:36,878 --> 04:46:37,760
generation.

6813
04:46:37,760 --> 04:46:39,200
>> It is something being used and I know

6814
04:46:39,200 --> 04:46:40,560
it's already being used in a lot of

6815
04:46:40,560 --> 04:46:43,200
states and and places in Utah too for

6816
04:46:43,200 --> 04:46:44,240
public power.

6817
04:46:44,240 --> 04:46:46,240
>> Oh yeah. Some of the largest utilities

6818
04:46:46,240 --> 04:46:49,120
in the country are are purchasing huge

6819
04:46:49,120 --> 04:46:52,160
chunks of fuel cell inventory to back up

6820
04:46:52,160 --> 04:46:54,480
the grid to create, you know,

6821
04:46:54,480 --> 04:46:56,480
complimentary power that can be stored.

6822
04:46:56,480 --> 04:46:58,718
Yeah, they're they're

6823
04:46:58,718 --> 04:47:02,080
this is mainstream now.

6824
04:47:02,080 --> 04:47:03,920
>> Thank you. Sorry, didn't want to forget

6825
04:47:03,920 --> 04:47:05,520
that part of it. I had it written down.

6826
04:47:05,520 --> 04:47:09,990
>> Couple of things for me. Um

6827
04:47:10,000 --> 04:47:12,560
quite a bit of concern about trust,

6828
04:47:12,560 --> 04:47:14,798
data, those type of things.

6829
04:47:14,798 --> 04:47:16,400
Um

6830
04:47:16,400 --> 04:47:20,560
I I think and to to Kevin's point um

6831
04:47:20,560 --> 04:47:22,798
about the viability of your company, I

6832
04:47:22,798 --> 04:47:24,560
think it's you've got the you got great

6833
04:47:24,560 --> 04:47:26,000
people. I think you've demonstrated that

6834
04:47:26,000 --> 04:47:28,080
very well. Um you've done a ton of

6835
04:47:28,080 --> 04:47:30,560
research. No one's going to invest, you

6836
04:47:30,560 --> 04:47:32,878
know, $4 billion into something that

6837
04:47:32,878 --> 04:47:34,320
isn't going to pan out. So I think

6838
04:47:34,320 --> 04:47:36,000
there's some there's some financial

6839
04:47:36,000 --> 04:47:39,920
things backing up the claims. Um but I

6840
04:47:39,920 --> 04:47:42,718
think from our perspective uh we need to

6841
04:47:42,718 --> 04:47:46,240
make sure that if it doesn't work what

6842
04:47:46,240 --> 04:47:48,480
happens and leave that up to you to make

6843
04:47:48,480 --> 04:47:50,160
it work. You know I don't think

6844
04:47:50,160 --> 04:47:51,360
government should be in your business

6845
04:47:51,360 --> 04:47:52,878
about you should use this technology

6846
04:47:52,878 --> 04:47:54,080
that technology.

6847
04:47:54,080 --> 04:47:55,840
>> It should be here's our ramifications.

6848
04:47:55,840 --> 04:47:57,440
Here's the the standards you need to

6849
04:47:57,440 --> 04:47:58,480
meet.

6850
04:47:58,480 --> 04:48:01,600
>> Whether that's 0 tons per megawatt or

6851
04:48:01,600 --> 04:48:03,440
0.5 whatever we need to determine that

6852
04:48:03,440 --> 04:48:04,878
you need to meet it and we need to hold

6853
04:48:04,878 --> 04:48:06,638
you accountable to that. If something

6854
04:48:06,638 --> 04:48:07,600
goes wrong, we need to hold you

6855
04:48:07,600 --> 04:48:09,120
accountable that if it if your business

6856
04:48:09,120 --> 04:48:14,000
goes out of business, we need a way to repurpose that building for something

6857
04:48:14,000 --> 04:48:16,080
in the future. So, I think our job is to

6858
04:48:16,080 --> 04:48:17,760
hold you accountable to the things that

6859
04:48:17,760 --> 04:48:20,480
we agree to. If if it gets to that point

6860
04:48:20,480 --> 04:48:22,320
and that is the protection that the

6861
04:48:22,320 --> 04:48:25,360
citizen needs if you don't succeed, then

6862
04:48:25,360 --> 04:48:27,840
what? If you don't succeed, that means

6863
04:48:27,840 --> 04:48:29,920
you're not here and those things get

6864
04:48:29,920 --> 04:48:31,520
removed. So I think we got to put those

6865
04:48:31,520 --> 04:48:35,040
protections in place and rely on um the

6866
04:48:35,040 --> 04:48:37,440
business that you are to be successful.

6867
04:48:37,440 --> 04:48:39,280
I don't think we need to dictate your

6868
04:48:39,280 --> 04:48:43,040
success. Um from a you have not provided

6869
04:48:43,040 --> 04:48:47,040
enough data standpoint. Um

6870
04:48:47,040 --> 04:48:48,958
I think that that could be true from a

6871
04:48:48,958 --> 04:48:50,320
third party perspective, but I think

6872
04:48:50,320 --> 04:48:51,840
you've provided a ton of data. So I

6873
04:48:51,840 --> 04:48:53,120
don't think that's a fair statement to

6874
04:48:53,120 --> 04:48:55,040
have been made that you don't have not

6875
04:48:55,040 --> 04:48:56,560
provided enough. It may not be

6876
04:48:56,560 --> 04:48:58,320
accessible enough. We need to make sure

6877
04:48:58,320 --> 04:48:59,840
that those that are concerned about it

6878
04:48:59,840 --> 04:49:01,600
can get their hands on it and evaluate

6879
04:49:01,600 --> 04:49:04,798
it more. The proof will be though um if

6880
04:49:04,798 --> 04:49:08,240
this is approved in the evaluation on a

6881
04:49:08,240 --> 04:49:10,638
monthly, quarterly, yearly basis as we

6882
04:49:10,638 --> 04:49:12,320
move forward. And I think those are the

6883
04:49:12,320 --> 04:49:13,840
protections we needed in place. And I

6884
04:49:13,840 --> 04:49:15,360
think to a lot of people's points, we

6885
04:49:15,360 --> 04:49:17,360
need to make sure that those are

6886
04:49:17,360 --> 04:49:21,600
enforceable and we if if ownership

6887
04:49:21,600 --> 04:49:22,798
changed or whatever might happen,

6888
04:49:22,798 --> 04:49:25,120
they're still enforceable and we can as

6889
04:49:25,120 --> 04:49:27,040
a city, as a community, um if you're not

6890
04:49:27,040 --> 04:49:28,798
meeting your obligations, we can ask you

6891
04:49:28,798 --> 04:49:30,878
to leave. So, I think that we have some

6892
04:49:30,878 --> 04:49:32,240
due diligence to do on that side of

6893
04:49:32,240 --> 04:49:34,320
things just to make sure that whatever

6894
04:49:34,320 --> 04:49:35,920
rules we put in place are enforceable

6895
04:49:35,920 --> 04:49:37,520
and you can be held accountable, which I

6896
04:49:37,520 --> 04:49:38,400
don't think you have a problem with

6897
04:49:38,400 --> 04:49:40,480
whatsoever because I I I believe that

6898
04:49:40,480 --> 04:49:42,240
you have full intention of fulfilling

6899
04:49:42,240 --> 04:49:44,240
all the obligations you've talked about

6900
04:49:44,240 --> 04:49:47,200
today. Um, so it is refreshing to have

6901
04:49:47,200 --> 04:49:48,638
an in front of us is like, "Yeah, put

6902
04:49:48,638 --> 04:49:50,160
that in writing. I'll I'll sign it. I'll

6903
04:49:50,160 --> 04:49:52,718
do that right now." Um, because you you

6904
04:49:52,718 --> 04:49:54,240
planning to back up your claim and and I

6905
04:49:54,240 --> 04:49:55,440
think if you back up your claim, I think

6906
04:49:55,440 --> 04:49:56,638
we're going to be okay as long as we set

6907
04:49:56,638 --> 04:49:58,958
the ground rules in the appropriate way.

6908
04:49:58,958 --> 04:49:59,360
Um,

6909
04:49:59,360 --> 04:50:00,798
>> and Shane, can I just mention one thing?

6910
04:50:00,798 --> 04:50:04,240
I think want to give you an example of

6911
04:50:04,240 --> 04:50:06,160
>> um, you know, ideas that have come out

6912
04:50:06,160 --> 04:50:08,480
of this dialogue that we think are are

6913
04:50:08,480 --> 04:50:11,280
really good. Um, so when we talk about,

6914
04:50:11,280 --> 04:50:15,600
>> you know, enforcing our uh, covenants,

6915
04:50:15,600 --> 04:50:17,040
you know, from our standpoint, we're

6916
04:50:17,040 --> 04:50:18,480
kind of just shrugging. It's like, well,

6917
04:50:18,480 --> 04:50:20,798
these aren't going to be hard because we

6918
04:50:20,798 --> 04:50:22,958
are not connecting to the grid. That's

6919
04:50:22,958 --> 04:50:23,920
easy.

6920
04:50:23,920 --> 04:50:27,600
>> Uh, we are not using extra water at all.

6921
04:50:27,600 --> 04:50:29,200
That's easy.

6922
04:50:29,200 --> 04:50:36,160
um we know that um our uh decel range is

6923
04:50:36,160 --> 04:50:38,320
what we say that it is. And this brings

6924
04:50:38,320 --> 04:50:42,080
me to a point about you know good ideas.

6925
04:50:42,080 --> 04:50:46,560
Um we we have always uh proposed in the

6926
04:50:46,560 --> 04:50:48,000
amendment and everything that we show

6927
04:50:48,000 --> 04:50:51,680
that we are testing sound you know at

6928
04:50:51,680 --> 04:50:53,840
the perimeter all around Mapleton

6929
04:50:53,840 --> 04:50:56,400
everywhere up on the ridge a mile out

6930
04:50:56,400 --> 04:50:59,440
half mile out. Um, and so it was

6931
04:50:59,440 --> 04:51:02,400
recommended that we uh find create a

6932
04:51:02,400 --> 04:51:06,400
series of sensors that that we can place

6933
04:51:06,400 --> 04:51:08,878
um that they're out there all the time

6934
04:51:08,878 --> 04:51:12,160
247 and uh so that's a really great

6935
04:51:12,160 --> 04:51:14,240
idea. You know, we'll we'll do that. But

6936
04:51:14,240 --> 04:51:18,320
that's also easy because we already know that, you know, people

6937
04:51:18,320 --> 04:51:20,480
are concerned with decibb. The reality

6938
04:51:20,480 --> 04:51:24,320
is if everybody here, you know, download

6939
04:51:24,320 --> 04:51:27,200
the highest rated decibel app, they're

6940
04:51:27,200 --> 04:51:29,920
extremely accurate and just go out at

6941
04:51:29,920 --> 04:51:31,920
night and turn it on and look at what

6942
04:51:31,920 --> 04:51:35,040
the current ambient noise is or get

6943
04:51:35,040 --> 04:51:38,320
anywhere close to this property and just

6944
04:51:38,320 --> 04:51:43,680
turn it on and you're going to see 55 to 80 dB at any

6945
04:51:43,680 --> 04:51:46,240
given given time. So, we're also

6946
04:51:46,240 --> 04:51:47,600
comfortable that we're going to fall

6947
04:51:47,600 --> 04:51:49,840
within sound and we're also comfortable

6948
04:51:49,840 --> 04:51:51,840
that we're going to fall within heat.

6949
04:51:51,840 --> 04:51:53,520
Uh, you know, when we talk about what

6950
04:51:53,520 --> 04:51:55,680
the rest of the city, just industry

6951
04:51:55,680 --> 04:51:59,360
does, just a civilized civilized city,

6952
04:51:59,360 --> 04:52:02,798
um, you know, 40 acre parking lots, any

6953
04:52:02,798 --> 04:52:05,840
number of standard development that goes

6954
04:52:05,840 --> 04:52:11,280
on, it produces some heat. And um

6955
04:52:11,280 --> 04:52:15,040
typically that heat is not measurable

6956
04:52:15,040 --> 04:52:17,840
um at any at any distance or any for any

6957
04:52:17,840 --> 04:52:21,440
prolonged period of time as an actual

6958
04:52:21,440 --> 04:52:26,958
change to the climate in our city and we will not produce that either. I I

6959
04:52:26,958 --> 04:52:28,320
think the challenge is going to be

6960
04:52:28,320 --> 04:52:31,840
proving that that one

6961
04:52:31,840 --> 04:52:34,320
true and then in the field that it well

6962
04:52:34,320 --> 04:52:35,920
one before you build that it's true and

6963
04:52:35,920 --> 04:52:38,638
then secondly proving it that you are no

6964
04:52:38,638 --> 04:52:39,840
you're not really add into the

6965
04:52:39,840 --> 04:52:41,440
background measurement and someone here

6966
04:52:41,440 --> 04:52:43,760
today said um some baseline measurements

6967
04:52:43,760 --> 04:52:45,040
is good and you just talked about how

6968
04:52:45,040 --> 04:52:46,160
you might do that and I think it's

6969
04:52:46,160 --> 04:52:49,120
extremely important for if you are in

6970
04:52:49,120 --> 04:52:50,560
place a year from now how are we

6971
04:52:50,560 --> 04:52:51,680
measuring and how are we holding you

6972
04:52:51,680 --> 04:52:55,840
accountable um and I think I I I believe

6973
04:52:55,840 --> 04:52:57,520
what you just said and I think we just

6974
04:52:57,520 --> 04:52:58,798
need to make sure that if this does move

6975
04:52:58,798 --> 04:53:00,878
forward we're in a position that if in

6976
04:53:00,878 --> 04:53:02,958
fact it's if you're not in violation for

6977
04:53:02,958 --> 04:53:05,600
noise there's ramifications and it's not

6978
04:53:05,600 --> 04:53:08,080
just fines it's I mean you said it a

6979
04:53:08,080 --> 04:53:09,520
minute ago to Kevin if you're down for

6980
04:53:09,520 --> 04:53:11,840
eight hours it's $50 million you're not

6981
04:53:11,840 --> 04:53:13,440
going to want to violate those if we if

6982
04:53:13,440 --> 04:53:15,040
one of the covenants is you're down

6983
04:53:15,040 --> 04:53:17,200
until we get a fixed so I think there's

6984
04:53:17,200 --> 04:53:19,200
some there's some good things in place

6985
04:53:19,200 --> 04:53:22,560
that incentivize you to be successful um

6986
04:53:22,560 --> 04:53:25,600
and back up everything you've said it

6987
04:53:25,600 --> 04:53:29,360
would be nice to have some more upfront.

6988
04:53:29,360 --> 04:53:31,920
Um, it's too late to come up with the

6989
04:53:31,920 --> 04:53:33,120
right words now. It starts with the

6990
04:53:33,120 --> 04:53:35,280
collaboration. Corroboration.

6991
04:53:35,280 --> 04:53:35,600
>> Yeah.

6992
04:53:35,600 --> 04:53:36,958
>> Is that a word? That's the right word,

6993
04:53:36,958 --> 04:53:37,280
huh?

6994
04:53:37,280 --> 04:53:37,840
>> Yeah. Got it.

6995
04:53:37,840 --> 04:53:39,440
>> Dang, I must have went to Spanish High

6996
04:53:39,440 --> 04:53:42,320
School. Um,

6997
04:53:42,320 --> 04:53:44,400
that back up some of the claims.

6998
04:53:44,400 --> 04:53:46,798
However, I think we may have to think

6999
04:53:46,798 --> 04:53:49,120
about some more of a performance

7000
04:53:49,120 --> 04:53:50,718
specification type of a thing moving

7001
04:53:50,718 --> 04:53:53,680
forward and and less about because it's

7002
04:53:53,680 --> 04:53:56,240
is it you this hasn't been done.

7003
04:53:56,240 --> 04:53:56,560
>> Yeah.

7004
04:53:56,560 --> 04:53:58,480
>> Pieces that have been done collectively

7005
04:53:58,480 --> 04:54:00,000
hasn't been done, but I think all the

7006
04:54:00,000 --> 04:54:01,760
pieces are there to give me some some

7007
04:54:01,760 --> 04:54:03,840
sense that it can be accomplished if we

7008
04:54:03,840 --> 04:54:05,600
put the right guard rails in place. So,

7009
04:54:05,600 --> 04:54:07,040
it feels like it's right that right

7010
04:54:07,040 --> 04:54:07,360
there.

7011
04:54:07,360 --> 04:54:08,638
>> Yeah, we are. I think we're right there

7012
04:54:08,638 --> 04:54:09,760
and we're happy to do that.

7013
04:54:09,760 --> 04:54:11,840
>> Appreciate it. on the on the penalties

7014
04:54:11,840 --> 04:54:14,560
and the 50 million. Let me just

7015
04:54:14,560 --> 04:54:16,240
>> let's not let that be something that we

7016
04:54:16,240 --> 04:54:22,160
run with on our penalties because those penalties are aligned with

7017
04:54:22,160 --> 04:54:24,560
the revenue lost by the customer in our

7018
04:54:24,560 --> 04:54:27,040
building. So that customer I just want

7019
04:54:27,040 --> 04:54:29,120
to know that that's commensurate with

7020
04:54:29,120 --> 04:54:30,718
the the business model.

7021
04:54:30,718 --> 04:54:33,200
>> Right. My point was the business model

7022
04:54:33,200 --> 04:54:35,440
is incentivizing you to not be down. Oh

7023
04:54:35,440 --> 04:54:37,760
yeah. We don't need to say to you give

7024
04:54:37,760 --> 04:54:40,080
us $50 million. we could say to you

7025
04:54:40,080 --> 04:54:41,920
you're down for eight hours that is

7026
04:54:41,920 --> 04:54:44,160
incentivizing you to be successful.

7027
04:54:44,160 --> 04:54:45,680
>> So in that vein I think it's an

7028
04:54:45,680 --> 04:54:48,718
important part to touch that I think uh

7029
04:54:48,718 --> 04:54:51,440
I think I I will attempt to speak for

7030
04:54:51,440 --> 04:54:54,320
the whole council here. What I want the

7031
04:54:54,320 --> 04:54:58,718
residents to know on this front is yes,

7032
04:54:58,718 --> 04:55:00,798
when you are talking about a business

7033
04:55:00,798 --> 04:55:02,638
versus a business that's in there now

7034
04:55:02,638 --> 04:55:04,320
and a potential business that could be

7035
04:55:04,320 --> 04:55:06,878
there in the future, I want you to know

7036
04:55:06,878 --> 04:55:09,840
that there's not an amount of money that

7037
04:55:09,840 --> 04:55:13,040
could come to Spanish Forks

7038
04:55:13,040 --> 04:55:16,160
wise or community involvement wise that

7039
04:55:16,160 --> 04:55:20,638
if we can't get there as far as we think

7040
04:55:20,638 --> 04:55:22,480
the effects

7041
04:55:22,480 --> 04:55:23,600
uh

7042
04:55:23,600 --> 04:55:25,840
>> would be detrimental to the public

7043
04:55:25,840 --> 04:55:27,760
health that we're trading that for

7044
04:55:27,760 --> 04:55:30,160
dollars. That's not been anything that

7045
04:55:30,160 --> 04:55:32,240
has come from this company and that's

7046
04:55:32,240 --> 04:55:35,280
not anything that that that we're

7047
04:55:35,280 --> 04:55:38,638
looking at at a lens through um we are

7048
04:55:38,638 --> 04:55:40,798
simply trying to we we're a comp we're a

7049
04:55:40,798 --> 04:55:42,240
community that's led out. We've had

7050
04:55:42,240 --> 04:55:44,080
purple air monitors at the mouth of the

7051
04:55:44,080 --> 04:55:46,958
canyon right when purple was new and we

7052
04:55:46,958 --> 04:55:49,040
went and got the got the monitors and

7053
04:55:49,040 --> 04:55:51,920
got uh got the the grants for it and put

7054
04:55:51,920 --> 04:55:53,040
them all over our communities, put them

7055
04:55:53,040 --> 04:55:55,360
on elementary schools so we could see in

7056
04:55:55,360 --> 04:55:58,160
the inversion times of of being in front

7057
04:55:58,160 --> 04:56:02,320
of of helping kids be safe. And so you

7058
04:56:02,320 --> 04:56:04,958
live in a community that public health

7059
04:56:04,958 --> 04:56:08,160
we we bonded for $85 million to build a

7060
04:56:08,160 --> 04:56:10,320
public health facility for mental,

7061
04:56:10,320 --> 04:56:13,280
physical, and social wellness. Um we

7062
04:56:13,280 --> 04:56:16,080
lead out in those things in Spanish Fork

7063
04:56:16,080 --> 04:56:18,000
and uh and and and there's not an amount

7064
04:56:18,000 --> 04:56:20,320
of money that's that that that that

7065
04:56:20,320 --> 04:56:26,400
would compromise that for us. Uh it's simply is it safe and is it a fit

7066
04:56:26,400 --> 04:56:29,440
uh for uh for our community. So, um I

7067
04:56:29,440 --> 04:56:32,878
think it's important to remember that facility that's there and what it's

7068
04:56:32,878 --> 04:56:35,760
doing now is is an important context uh

7069
04:56:35,760 --> 04:56:37,440
contextual

7070
04:56:37,440 --> 04:56:40,080
uh point of of this proposal.

7071
04:56:40,080 --> 04:56:41,520
>> Good point, Mike. Can can I follow up on

7072
04:56:41,520 --> 04:56:42,718
that a little bit? I think there was a

7073
04:56:42,718 --> 04:56:43,680
couple of questions, a couple of

7074
04:56:43,680 --> 04:56:45,600
comments of the lesser of two evil

7075
04:56:45,600 --> 04:56:48,320
conversation. Um that's not what this is

7076
04:56:48,320 --> 04:56:51,920
about. And I think I think the the other

7077
04:56:51,920 --> 04:56:55,680
alternative is a piece of context

7078
04:56:55,680 --> 04:56:58,958
to just to to sort of weigh what we're

7079
04:56:58,958 --> 04:57:01,520
talking about in context. Not if you do

7080
04:57:01,520 --> 04:57:04,400
this then this or that. It is simply

7081
04:57:04,400 --> 04:57:06,798
there is a business operating today that

7082
04:57:06,798 --> 04:57:08,560
brings trucks in and out. Plain and

7083
04:57:08,560 --> 04:57:10,878
simple. That's what happens today. Um

7084
04:57:10,878 --> 04:57:13,360
that's some context about what this site

7085
04:57:13,360 --> 04:57:15,840
is. It's not a it's not a green site. It

7086
04:57:15,840 --> 04:57:17,760
is something is something's happening

7087
04:57:17,760 --> 04:57:21,360
there today. They use water, they emit

7088
04:57:21,360 --> 04:57:24,080
emissions, they emit sound, they emit

7089
04:57:24,080 --> 04:57:25,760
light, they emit heat. All of those

7090
04:57:25,760 --> 04:57:28,878
things happen. So the idea is not to say

7091
04:57:28,878 --> 04:57:33,040
it's this or that. It is the context of

7092
04:57:33,040 --> 04:57:35,120
what you're proposing with that in

7093
04:57:35,120 --> 04:57:36,798
place. And so I think it's it's not the

7094
04:57:36,798 --> 04:57:38,718
lesser of two evils. There's something

7095
04:57:38,718 --> 04:57:40,160
happening there today. We're not voting

7096
04:57:40,160 --> 04:57:42,718
on stopping something, right? That's not

7097
04:57:42,718 --> 04:57:45,520
it. It is it is a it's just a way to

7098
04:57:45,520 --> 04:57:47,520
give us context of what you're proposing

7099
04:57:47,520 --> 04:57:50,160
versus something else. And so, um, I I

7100
04:57:50,160 --> 04:57:52,798
it's I understand where it can be

7101
04:57:52,798 --> 04:57:55,680
construed as a lesser less of two evils,

7102
04:57:55,680 --> 04:57:56,560
but that's not

7103
04:57:56,560 --> 04:57:58,400
>> and I guess I guess the context about

7104
04:57:58,400 --> 04:58:02,000
it, too, because we I I I tell the

7105
04:58:02,000 --> 04:58:03,920
council this all all the time this that

7106
04:58:03,920 --> 04:58:06,000
I assume we're all here together and

7107
04:58:06,000 --> 04:58:09,680
we've been here together and stuff, but I grew up at the mouth of this

7108
04:58:09,680 --> 04:58:14,400
canyon uh for for most of my 46 years uh

7109
04:58:14,400 --> 04:58:17,280
and worked at the gas station uh that

7110
04:58:17,280 --> 04:58:19,600
that's still there and and spent a lot

7111
04:58:19,600 --> 04:58:22,240
of my childhood up and down the exact

7112
04:58:22,240 --> 04:58:24,240
location that we're talking about. So, I

7113
04:58:24,240 --> 04:58:26,000
do know it intimately. I remember when

7114
04:58:26,000 --> 04:58:27,600
it was built and I remember when the

7115
04:58:27,600 --> 04:58:30,240
windmills were built and sometimes the

7116
04:58:30,240 --> 04:58:34,000
stuff the windmill discussion

7117
04:58:34,000 --> 04:58:35,520
was that all videoed or was that

7118
04:58:35,520 --> 04:58:37,840
>> pref

7119
04:58:37,840 --> 04:58:40,000
I want to say it was this is going to

7120
04:58:40,000 --> 04:58:41,520
sound kind of crazy but I think it was

7121
04:58:41,520 --> 04:58:44,080
January of 2006. So, we were

7122
04:58:44,080 --> 04:58:44,798
broadcasting.

7123
04:58:44,798 --> 04:58:52,480
>> Is that right? Okay. So, you can go back and find that, but the hypothetical data of placing

7124
04:58:52,480 --> 04:58:56,320
those windmills where they were at was a

7125
04:58:56,320 --> 04:58:58,240
lot of and your dad could speak to it,

7126
04:58:58,240 --> 04:59:00,798
who was the city manager, was a a lot of

7127
04:59:00,798 --> 04:59:04,400
concerns about public health, about the

7128
04:59:04,400 --> 04:59:07,280
noise, about the environment, about the

7129
04:59:07,280 --> 04:59:10,638
wildlife. Um, that now I think it's so

7130
04:59:10,638 --> 04:59:12,798
cool that we're a landmark that has

7131
04:59:12,798 --> 04:59:14,638
those windmills. I think there's a lot

7132
04:59:14,638 --> 04:59:16,798
of people that know us by it and we've

7133
04:59:16,798 --> 04:59:18,718
incorporated it into a lot of our stuff.

7134
04:59:18,718 --> 04:59:21,280
And so we I just want to remind

7135
04:59:21,280 --> 04:59:26,560
everybody we've stepped out there and good good planning, good city staff,

7136
04:59:26,560 --> 04:59:28,400
good elected officials helped that to

7137
04:59:28,400 --> 04:59:30,638
become a reality and we don't that power

7138
04:59:30,638 --> 04:59:32,958
goes on the grid and gets bought some.

7139
04:59:32,958 --> 04:59:34,480
It's a private company, but they lease

7140
04:59:34,480 --> 04:59:36,240
that ground and put those windmills up

7141
04:59:36,240 --> 04:59:37,760
and I don't think it's done anything

7142
04:59:37,760 --> 04:59:40,320
detrimental to us except except be

7143
04:59:40,320 --> 04:59:41,680
something cool to look at when you go up

7144
04:59:41,680 --> 04:59:43,280
and down the canyon. I will say if you

7145
04:59:43,280 --> 04:59:45,120
stand next to it, I don't know what that

7146
04:59:45,120 --> 04:59:47,520
decibel reading is, but they're loud.

7147
04:59:47,520 --> 04:59:48,958
They're very loud and they're operating

7148
04:59:48,958 --> 04:59:49,760
all the time.

7149
04:59:49,760 --> 04:59:50,878
>> 68.

7150
04:59:50,878 --> 04:59:53,600
>> Is that what it is? Okay. So,

7151
04:59:53,600 --> 04:59:55,520
>> take much to get above 60. I really

7152
04:59:55,520 --> 04:59:57,040
doesn't. I think you're right. I think

7153
04:59:57,040 --> 05:00:00,080
go out. I would encourage everyone to go

7154
05:00:00,080 --> 05:00:01,760
out with the most sophisticated meter

7155
05:00:01,760 --> 05:00:03,600
you can get and and measure sometimes.

7156
05:00:03,600 --> 05:00:04,718
And you have to be there a minute,

7157
05:00:04,718 --> 05:00:05,920
right? Because it's an average over

7158
05:00:05,920 --> 05:00:09,200
whatever period you're out there. But

7159
05:00:09,200 --> 05:00:10,878
>> background noise is much higher than you

7160
05:00:10,878 --> 05:00:12,718
think it is. Oh yeah.

7161
05:00:12,718 --> 05:00:14,240
>> So I guess I have a question for the

7162
05:00:14,240 --> 05:00:16,080
council and then I have one for you and

7163
05:00:16,080 --> 05:00:18,958
Jeff. So there was a lot of questions

7164
05:00:18,958 --> 05:00:20,560
thrown out. I know that Jeff has taken a

7165
05:00:20,560 --> 05:00:21,520
lot of notes. We've taken a lot of

7166
05:00:21,520 --> 05:00:23,200
notes. What is the best process for us

7167
05:00:23,200 --> 05:00:25,680
to go through this? Because there's a

7168
05:00:25,680 --> 05:00:28,240
lot of just different things like some

7169
05:00:28,240 --> 05:00:29,680
of them are hypotheticals, some of them

7170
05:00:29,680 --> 05:00:31,120
it sounds like Jeff you already have the

7171
05:00:31,120 --> 05:00:34,638
answers to. Is it, hey, we I know um

7172
05:00:34,638 --> 05:00:36,400
Jeff had suggested that we table this

7173
05:00:36,400 --> 05:00:38,320
that we come back and readress it after

7174
05:00:38,320 --> 05:00:39,440
maybe there's some time to go through

7175
05:00:39,440 --> 05:00:41,120
these questions and figure it out. Is

7176
05:00:41,120 --> 05:00:43,920
that the best option? Is it better for

7177
05:00:43,920 --> 05:00:46,160
us to um Stacey already said that she

7178
05:00:46,160 --> 05:00:48,000
turned into a pumpkin 30 minutes ago,

7179
05:00:48,000 --> 05:00:49,680
but is it best to start going through

7180
05:00:49,680 --> 05:00:50,958
them one by one and start going through

7181
05:00:50,958 --> 05:00:52,400
that? I don't know that that's the best

7182
05:00:52,400 --> 05:00:53,440
option.

7183
05:00:53,440 --> 05:00:53,840
>> I've got

7184
05:00:53,840 --> 05:00:55,760
>> I guess I'm looking what what is what do

7185
05:00:55,760 --> 05:00:57,360
we want to do as a council? And then I

7186
05:00:57,360 --> 05:00:58,718
do have one question for Jeff, too.

7187
05:00:58,718 --> 05:00:59,520
>> I've got questions.

7188
05:00:59,520 --> 05:01:00,878
>> I've got some questions, too. I've got

7189
05:01:00,878 --> 05:01:02,718
questions that I want to ask tonight.

7190
05:01:02,718 --> 05:01:03,600
>> Okay, perfect.

7191
05:01:03,600 --> 05:01:06,240
>> Um, not all of them because yes, there

7192
05:01:06,240 --> 05:01:07,680
are a lot of questions that were brought

7193
05:01:07,680 --> 05:01:09,840
up, but I do have specific ones that I

7194
05:01:09,840 --> 05:01:11,120
want to address tonight.

7195
05:01:11,120 --> 05:01:12,638
>> Okay, we might lose Stacy. She might

7196
05:01:12,638 --> 05:01:13,600
walk off.

7197
05:01:13,600 --> 05:01:15,280
>> I'm good. I'm good.

7198
05:01:15,280 --> 05:01:16,000
>> So,

7199
05:01:16,000 --> 05:01:17,280
>> wait, wait, wait. We didn't answer your

7200
05:01:17,280 --> 05:01:17,920
question, Jess.

7201
05:01:17,920 --> 05:01:19,200
>> You didn't answer my question.

7202
05:01:19,200 --> 05:01:20,400
>> I think it's important.

7203
05:01:20,400 --> 05:01:21,680
>> Actually,

7204
05:01:21,680 --> 05:01:23,360
>> I didn't What? What did he say?

7205
05:01:23,360 --> 05:01:26,400
>> Say anything before that.

7206
05:01:26,400 --> 05:01:28,480
>> Okay. Um,

7207
05:01:28,480 --> 05:01:31,040
what is the process moving forward? How

7208
05:01:31,040 --> 05:01:32,798
do we get

7209
05:01:32,798 --> 05:01:34,320
>> there's some there's some things that I

7210
05:01:34,320 --> 05:01:36,798
would like changed in the in title 15?

7211
05:01:36,798 --> 05:01:37,200
>> Yeah.

7212
05:01:37,200 --> 05:01:39,840
>> Right. There are some there are some

7213
05:01:39,840 --> 05:01:42,240
stuff that that Jeff's agreed to in the

7214
05:01:42,240 --> 05:01:43,280
development agreement that I would

7215
05:01:43,280 --> 05:01:49,280
rather see in writing up front than in just in there. How do we get them?

7216
05:01:49,280 --> 05:01:51,680
What is the process we need? Do we say,

7217
05:01:51,680 --> 05:01:54,080
"Hey staff, here are the 15 things that

7218
05:01:54,080 --> 05:01:55,840
I want to see." You do the same. and we

7219
05:01:55,840 --> 05:01:57,760
all do the same and they start compiling

7220
05:01:57,760 --> 05:02:00,958
that into some new version of this.

7221
05:02:00,958 --> 05:02:03,200
Do we sit here and you spout out your 15

7222
05:02:03,200 --> 05:02:05,840
and I spout out my 25 and whatever my

7223
05:02:05,840 --> 05:02:07,920
two whatever and we get to somewhere

7224
05:02:07,920 --> 05:02:09,680
like that is a good question. I think we

7225
05:02:09,680 --> 05:02:11,280
need these everyone in here needs to

7226
05:02:11,280 --> 05:02:11,840
know

7227
05:02:11,840 --> 05:02:14,240
>> how this is going to play out

7228
05:02:14,240 --> 05:02:16,320
>> as most transparently as we can as we

7229
05:02:16,320 --> 05:02:16,878
move forward.

7230
05:02:16,878 --> 05:02:18,000
>> Well, I'm going to tell you my feelings.

7231
05:02:18,000 --> 05:02:19,920
are ask your questions that

7232
05:02:19,920 --> 05:02:21,280
you need to ask tonight that you think

7233
05:02:21,280 --> 05:02:23,680
are the most important ones. But I think

7234
05:02:23,680 --> 05:02:25,760
the that the onus is on an applicant

7235
05:02:25,760 --> 05:02:27,520
that's asking that wants to probably

7236
05:02:27,520 --> 05:02:29,840
answer those questions and probably

7237
05:02:29,840 --> 05:02:32,480
answers them better than us stepping

7238
05:02:32,480 --> 05:02:34,320
over somebody to to ask them. A lot of

7239
05:02:34,320 --> 05:02:36,400
them asked to them. Uh the ones that

7240
05:02:36,400 --> 05:02:38,400
were asked to public officials and and

7241
05:02:38,400 --> 05:02:40,480
to this the staff. Yeah. Let's start

7242
05:02:40,480 --> 05:02:42,878
compiling those. Let's let's start let's

7243
05:02:42,878 --> 05:02:44,718
start sharing those and let's let's do

7244
05:02:44,718 --> 05:02:47,600
our due diligence over that. I I I love

7245
05:02:47,600 --> 05:02:49,680
that the proposal was was, "Hey, let's

7246
05:02:49,680 --> 05:02:51,680
take these questions and and and not

7247
05:02:51,680 --> 05:02:54,240
make a rush decision, but but let's talk

7248
05:02:54,240 --> 05:02:55,840
about it and see what we come up with."

7249
05:02:55,840 --> 05:02:57,280
So, um

7250
05:02:57,280 --> 05:02:57,840
>> I agree.

7251
05:02:57,840 --> 05:02:59,680
>> Me and the in the in the event of time

7252
05:02:59,680 --> 05:03:02,878
of of people's time and and school just

7253
05:03:02,878 --> 05:03:04,560
started and we got a lot of people with

7254
05:03:04,560 --> 05:03:07,520
kids and everybody to to get to to the

7255
05:03:07,520 --> 05:03:10,240
next second day of school is to ask a

7256
05:03:10,240 --> 05:03:12,320
few of your most important questions.

7257
05:03:12,320 --> 05:03:14,080
All these questions have been taken into

7258
05:03:14,080 --> 05:03:17,840
account and we can we can compile those

7259
05:03:17,840 --> 05:03:21,520
and and and try to get some um some

7260
05:03:21,520 --> 05:03:23,440
movement on that in the next in the next

7261
05:03:23,440 --> 05:03:26,560
few days. And we don't meet like this

7262
05:03:26,560 --> 05:03:28,718
without a with you know we we do public

7263
05:03:28,718 --> 05:03:31,520
meetings and and and and so we wouldn't

7264
05:03:31,520 --> 05:03:33,920
do another public meeting for two weeks.

7265
05:03:33,920 --> 05:03:36,160
Um but that doesn't mean that we can't

7266
05:03:36,160 --> 05:03:38,240
all look at a documented questions that

7267
05:03:38,240 --> 05:03:40,400
are asked and answered. Is am I

7268
05:03:40,400 --> 05:03:42,160
>> You're doing great. I just want to I

7269
05:03:42,160 --> 05:03:44,160
wonder this may be completely out of

7270
05:03:44,160 --> 05:03:46,560
order and if it is

7271
05:03:46,560 --> 05:03:47,280
send me home.

7272
05:03:47,280 --> 05:03:48,240
>> All right.

7273
05:03:48,240 --> 05:03:50,638
>> Um

7274
05:03:50,638 --> 05:03:54,638
>> I Mr. Chavez gave us a something he

7275
05:03:54,638 --> 05:03:56,400
suggested you know not acting tonight

7276
05:03:56,400 --> 05:03:57,760
and I I imagine a lot of these people

7277
05:03:57,760 --> 05:03:58,798
are probably wondering are they going to

7278
05:03:58,798 --> 05:04:00,718
vote vote to pass it tonight? Are they

7279
05:04:00,718 --> 05:04:03,440
not? Um do you have any feelings or

7280
05:04:03,440 --> 05:04:05,680
directions you want to give on that? And

7281
05:04:05,680 --> 05:04:07,040
if you don't want to and don't and

7282
05:04:07,040 --> 05:04:08,400
you're not ready to say one way or the

7283
05:04:08,400 --> 05:04:10,000
other in terms of hey let's ask

7284
05:04:10,000 --> 05:04:12,000
questions and not pass anything denied

7285
05:04:12,000 --> 05:04:14,638
or let's ask questions and maybe pass

7286
05:04:14,638 --> 05:04:15,920
something tonight if you've got any

7287
05:04:15,920 --> 05:04:17,440
thoughts on that. I someone they might

7288
05:04:17,440 --> 05:04:19,840
want to know that and and for their sake

7289
05:04:19,840 --> 05:04:21,200
>> that's a good point. There probably is a

7290
05:04:21,200 --> 05:04:24,080
possibility that you could say hey

7291
05:04:24,080 --> 05:04:26,080
somebody make a motion to to table this.

7292
05:04:26,080 --> 05:04:27,200
Is that the right

7293
05:04:27,200 --> 05:04:28,638
>> and I wouldn't say table anything yet

7294
05:04:28,638 --> 05:04:30,718
but I just if your intent is we're not

7295
05:04:30,718 --> 05:04:32,080
going to we're not going to pass this

7296
05:04:32,080 --> 05:04:33,200
tonight but we're only going to ask

7297
05:04:33,200 --> 05:04:34,160
questions. I think you could give

7298
05:04:34,160 --> 05:04:34,560
somebody.

7299
05:04:34,560 --> 05:04:35,440
>> I don't think you're going to get three

7300
05:04:35,440 --> 05:04:36,000
votes to pass.

7301
05:04:36,000 --> 05:04:37,920
>> There is no way I'm voting on this

7302
05:04:37,920 --> 05:04:39,440
tonight or I would be comfortable voting

7303
05:04:39,440 --> 05:04:39,680
on this.

7304
05:04:39,680 --> 05:04:41,440
>> Well, why didn't he say that 25 minutes

7305
05:04:41,440 --> 05:04:42,878
ago? Y'all could have went to sleep.

7306
05:04:42,878 --> 05:04:43,680
>> You couldn't tell.

7307
05:04:43,680 --> 05:04:45,200
>> Dang.

7308
05:04:45,200 --> 05:04:48,400
This first time he spoke.

7309
05:04:48,400 --> 05:04:50,160
>> All right. All right. So, if you're

7310
05:04:50,160 --> 05:04:51,680
comfortable with that, that's probably

7311
05:04:51,680 --> 05:04:53,200
what's going to happen tonight is is

7312
05:04:53,200 --> 05:04:54,638
there's not a vote on this, but there's

7313
05:04:54,638 --> 05:04:55,920
going to be more questions. So, if you'd

7314
05:04:55,920 --> 05:04:58,000
like to hear more questions, Jesse's got

7315
05:04:58,000 --> 05:04:59,840
a couple of questions. And and one thing

7316
05:04:59,840 --> 05:05:01,520
I would say about the process is that

7317
05:05:01,520 --> 05:05:03,520
we'll do what we've been doing, which is

7318
05:05:03,520 --> 05:05:06,240
we're capturing uh we we probably have

7319
05:05:06,240 --> 05:05:09,120
an idea of the some of the things that

7320
05:05:09,120 --> 05:05:11,280
we would that you would want to see in

7321
05:05:11,280 --> 05:05:12,718
the text amendment. So, we will right

7322
05:05:12,718 --> 05:05:15,680
away start working on suggesting those.

7323
05:05:15,680 --> 05:05:17,840
We'll be working with Vaughan and get

7324
05:05:17,840 --> 05:05:20,878
those and I think as he collects

7325
05:05:20,878 --> 05:05:23,360
feedback from the council on so I think

7326
05:05:23,360 --> 05:05:25,760
there's immediately going to be a back

7327
05:05:25,760 --> 05:05:29,120
and forth on capturing the the intent

7328
05:05:29,120 --> 05:05:32,958
here and so we will be doing that

7329
05:05:32,958 --> 05:05:35,920
immediately just in in real time and we

7330
05:05:35,920 --> 05:05:37,520
see it going back and forth until we've

7331
05:05:37,520 --> 05:05:43,120
captured the additional guidance that we're contemplating about the the

7332
05:05:43,120 --> 05:05:44,000
text amendment

7333
05:05:44,000 --> 05:05:45,200
>> and and in terms of the development

7334
05:05:45,200 --> 05:05:48,798
agreement. We have been taking notes in the public hearing. Sorry, in the

7335
05:05:48,798 --> 05:05:51,520
open houses and in these meetings of the

7336
05:05:51,520 --> 05:05:53,280
development agreement language. This

7337
05:05:53,280 --> 05:05:54,958
should be there. We promise this. We say

7338
05:05:54,958 --> 05:05:57,120
that and we're we'll do some cross

7339
05:05:57,120 --> 05:05:58,958
check. And I think somebody in some of

7340
05:05:58,958 --> 05:06:00,798
their comments mentioned they promised

7341
05:06:00,798 --> 05:06:02,560
this. It's not in the agreement. There

7342
05:06:02,560 --> 05:06:04,560
was some email mentioned that today you

7343
05:06:04,560 --> 05:06:05,920
had sent some email to some people I

7344
05:06:05,920 --> 05:06:07,120
guess and I don't I don't know what that

7345
05:06:07,120 --> 05:06:08,958
email was but okay.

7346
05:06:08,958 --> 05:06:10,798
>> But you know if there was some something

7347
05:06:10,798 --> 05:06:13,040
like that like we we have that and and

7348
05:06:13,040 --> 05:06:14,480
there's a lot of information flying

7349
05:06:14,480 --> 05:06:15,760
around. So, we'll do a little bit of

7350
05:06:15,760 --> 05:06:17,360
cross-checking as well to make sure that

7351
05:06:17,360 --> 05:06:20,718
things are um if if we if we have said

7352
05:06:20,718 --> 05:06:22,400
or if they have said this should be in

7353
05:06:22,400 --> 05:06:24,080
there or we agree that it should be in

7354
05:06:24,080 --> 05:06:25,920
there, we'll make sure that we we cross

7355
05:06:25,920 --> 05:06:27,440
check those on that development group.

7356
05:06:27,440 --> 05:06:27,920
>> Yeah.

7357
05:06:27,920 --> 05:06:32,320
>> Perfect. I on that there is a point

7358
05:06:32,320 --> 05:06:34,878
where title 15 becomes ours and I

7359
05:06:34,878 --> 05:06:36,958
appreciate Jeff and Vaughn working on

7360
05:06:36,958 --> 05:06:38,798
language changes, but at some point we

7361
05:06:38,798 --> 05:06:40,240
got to own it. It's not the applicants

7362
05:06:40,240 --> 05:06:43,200
title 15. It's our changes to title 15

7363
05:06:43,200 --> 05:06:44,878
and we need to be comfortable with it.

7364
05:06:44,878 --> 05:06:46,958
And I I appreciate the work you've done

7365
05:06:46,958 --> 05:06:48,798
to this point because we didn't know

7366
05:06:48,798 --> 05:06:50,240
where to start and now we have a pretty

7367
05:06:50,240 --> 05:06:52,638
decent idea to start. We need to be

7368
05:06:52,638 --> 05:06:54,400
owning that ourselves.

7369
05:06:54,400 --> 05:06:55,920
>> Um this is a big deal

7370
05:06:55,920 --> 05:06:57,920
>> and I think my balance to it has always

7371
05:06:57,920 --> 05:07:00,878
been like well the the part that we own

7372
05:07:00,878 --> 05:07:02,560
it if we start writing it for people

7373
05:07:02,560 --> 05:07:04,320
it's like well you're 100% for this

7374
05:07:04,320 --> 05:07:05,120
you're writing it for

7375
05:07:05,120 --> 05:07:07,760
>> that is a problem. I get how about you

7376
05:07:07,760 --> 05:07:10,240
propose what you think would work. I

7377
05:07:10,240 --> 05:07:11,760
agree with you 100%.

7378
05:07:11,760 --> 05:07:12,958
>> I would not want to try to take

7379
05:07:12,958 --> 05:07:16,080
ownership at at least till now. But it

7380
05:07:16,080 --> 05:07:18,000
is our if we're going to approve it, it

7381
05:07:18,000 --> 05:07:18,878
needs to be our title 15.

7382
05:07:18,878 --> 05:07:20,480
>> But I think to that same point as we're

7383
05:07:20,480 --> 05:07:21,920
going through the title 15, that doesn't

7384
05:07:21,920 --> 05:07:23,040
just because you're helping with the

7385
05:07:23,040 --> 05:07:25,040
title title 15, that's what I was going

7386
05:07:25,040 --> 05:07:26,638
to say. It doesn't mean that it's going

7387
05:07:26,638 --> 05:07:27,360
to pass

7388
05:07:27,360 --> 05:07:28,160
>> 100%.

7389
05:07:28,160 --> 05:07:29,600
>> That means that we're saying these are

7390
05:07:29,600 --> 05:07:31,280
the things that we need to see in there.

7391
05:07:31,280 --> 05:07:33,520
I could still help write title 15 and

7392
05:07:33,520 --> 05:07:34,320
still say no.

7393
05:07:34,320 --> 05:07:35,760
>> Absolutely. It's a great point, Jesse,

7394
05:07:35,760 --> 05:07:37,840
because I I think when we start talking

7395
05:07:37,840 --> 05:07:39,360
about, oh, let's make this change and

7396
05:07:39,360 --> 05:07:40,958
this change, the assumption is we have

7397
05:07:40,958 --> 05:07:42,958
agreed to something, and that is not the

7398
05:07:42,958 --> 05:07:43,280
case.

7399
05:07:43,280 --> 05:07:45,680
>> Absolutely not.

7400
05:07:45,680 --> 05:07:47,840
>> So, ideally though, my thoughts are

7401
05:07:47,840 --> 05:07:50,798
we're going to work to that end,

7402
05:07:50,798 --> 05:07:52,638
>> you fine-tune it to a point where you

7403
05:07:52,638 --> 05:07:54,958
are absolutely comfortable that if

7404
05:07:54,958 --> 05:07:58,000
you're going to put it in title 15 that

7405
05:07:58,000 --> 05:08:01,040
something could apply and get through.

7406
05:08:01,040 --> 05:08:03,280
Otherwise you do a moratorum or you just

7407
05:08:03,280 --> 05:08:04,958
say we don't want them at all

7408
05:08:04,958 --> 05:08:06,718
>> or we don't do anything because it's not

7409
05:08:06,718 --> 05:08:07,840
in our title 15 today.

7410
05:08:07,840 --> 05:08:08,240
>> Exactly.

7411
05:08:08,240 --> 05:08:10,480
>> So wouldn't need moratorium. Right now

7412
05:08:10,480 --> 05:08:12,000
data centers are not allowed in Spanish

7413
05:08:12,000 --> 05:08:14,160
for so you just stop the processing.

7414
05:08:14,160 --> 05:08:16,080
>> Self gener selfg generation is not

7415
05:08:16,080 --> 05:08:16,560
allowed.

7416
05:08:16,560 --> 05:08:17,680
>> Yeah. Neither of those things are

7417
05:08:17,680 --> 05:08:19,200
allowed currently. So we would just stop

7418
05:08:19,200 --> 05:08:20,480
the process and be done.

7419
05:08:20,480 --> 05:08:23,280
>> Yeah. So, so the point of what we're

7420
05:08:23,280 --> 05:08:25,600
going through is are we getting to a

7421
05:08:25,600 --> 05:08:27,600
point where we would be comfortable and

7422
05:08:27,600 --> 05:08:29,520
the community would be comfortable with

7423
05:08:29,520 --> 05:08:32,560
having whatever it is that's allowed in

7424
05:08:32,560 --> 05:08:34,958
title 15 to come to Spanish board.

7425
05:08:34,958 --> 05:08:37,360
>> I don't know. I think all of us watched

7426
05:08:37,360 --> 05:08:38,798
planning commission, right? Like there

7427
05:08:38,798 --> 05:08:40,240
were things that were added in planning

7428
05:08:40,240 --> 05:08:42,400
commission and then still voted no.

7429
05:08:42,400 --> 05:08:43,760
>> And there are things that they added

7430
05:08:43,760 --> 05:08:45,360
planning commission that I might not

7431
05:08:45,360 --> 05:08:47,280
like. What I'm saying by that is that

7432
05:08:47,280 --> 05:08:48,718
they went through the process of adding

7433
05:08:48,718 --> 05:08:50,958
things to it but then still voted like

7434
05:08:50,958 --> 05:08:52,320
they added to it in a separate motion

7435
05:08:52,320 --> 05:08:53,920
and then they still voted no. Right?

7436
05:08:53,920 --> 05:08:55,440
>> That's what I'm saying to the process is

7437
05:08:55,440 --> 05:08:56,480
we're not saying hey

7438
05:08:56,480 --> 05:08:57,360
>> three voted no

7439
05:08:57,360 --> 05:09:00,000
>> three voted yes it was a so technically

7440
05:09:00,000 --> 05:09:01,200
it was a denial because they didn't have

7441
05:09:01,200 --> 05:09:03,520
a quorum to approve it. Right?

7442
05:09:03,520 --> 05:09:07,520
>> So if it gets to that point it's not

7443
05:09:07,520 --> 05:09:08,958
saying hey I'm comfortable with this.

7444
05:09:08,958 --> 05:09:10,400
It's saying hey these are the things I

7445
05:09:10,400 --> 05:09:12,320
think need to be in there. I still you

7446
05:09:12,320 --> 05:09:14,638
still me whoever might still not be

7447
05:09:14,638 --> 05:09:16,638
comfortable with that going forward.

7448
05:09:16,638 --> 05:09:18,160
Does that make sense what I'm saying?

7449
05:09:18,160 --> 05:09:19,360
>> Not really, but it's okay.

7450
05:09:19,360 --> 05:09:20,798
>> Yeah. I think the I think the part that

7451
05:09:20,798 --> 05:09:22,638
you're that you're missing there is the

7452
05:09:22,638 --> 05:09:25,760
development agreement part of this in in

7453
05:09:25,760 --> 05:09:28,080
the the risk that I don't want to take

7454
05:09:28,080 --> 05:09:31,520
is changing something in title 15 and

7455
05:09:31,520 --> 05:09:34,000
being renamed data center city instead

7456
05:09:34,000 --> 05:09:36,000
of Spanish fork city. I think that's

7457
05:09:36,000 --> 05:09:38,240
where development agreements, just like

7458
05:09:38,240 --> 05:09:42,160
we've done in in in the past with with

7459
05:09:42,160 --> 05:09:44,000
things to hold people to standards and

7460
05:09:44,000 --> 05:09:46,480
businesses to standards, is do you spell

7461
05:09:46,480 --> 05:09:49,920
that up out enough that just like you've

7462
05:09:49,920 --> 05:09:53,200
heard from people that say, "I was

7463
05:09:53,200 --> 05:09:54,638
adamantly against this and I'm not going

7464
05:09:54,638 --> 05:09:56,320
to pretend that that's that's a ton of

7465
05:09:56,320 --> 05:09:57,760
people that are that way, but

7466
05:09:57,760 --> 05:09:58,000
>> right,

7467
05:09:58,000 --> 05:10:00,160
>> boy, if you'll put that into agreement,

7468
05:10:00,160 --> 05:10:02,160
what's the downside?" You know? So, so

7469
05:10:02,160 --> 05:10:04,080
it's not just the title 15 change, it's

7470
05:10:04,080 --> 05:10:06,400
the development of agreement that holds

7471
05:10:06,400 --> 05:10:07,200
that all

7472
05:10:07,200 --> 05:10:07,680
>> I guess

7473
05:10:07,680 --> 05:10:08,240
>> in check.

7474
05:10:08,240 --> 05:10:10,718
>> I think Jesse is saying for instance,

7475
05:10:10,718 --> 05:10:12,080
one of the questions we heard tonight,

7476
05:10:12,080 --> 05:10:14,000
why two? Why not one?

7477
05:10:14,000 --> 05:10:16,000
>> I can weigh in and say I would prefer

7478
05:10:16,000 --> 05:10:18,160
one. I would prefer two. I would prefer

7479
05:10:18,160 --> 05:10:20,000
no limit.

7480
05:10:20,000 --> 05:10:21,520
You guys say I agree with that. Whatever

7481
05:10:21,520 --> 05:10:23,600
the decision the decision is, and I can

7482
05:10:23,600 --> 05:10:25,440
still vote no for something else in the

7483
05:10:25,440 --> 05:10:26,240
agreement. So that

7484
05:10:26,240 --> 05:10:28,160
>> right that's the point is we can work on

7485
05:10:28,160 --> 05:10:30,080
what the language could potentially be

7486
05:10:30,080 --> 05:10:31,440
and still say no at the end.

7487
05:10:31,440 --> 05:10:31,680
>> Correct.

7488
05:10:31,680 --> 05:10:32,400
>> That's what you're saying.

7489
05:10:32,400 --> 05:10:33,680
>> Yeah. Correct.

7490
05:10:33,680 --> 05:10:36,160
>> But it it it doesn't by working on it

7491
05:10:36,160 --> 05:10:38,718
doesn't imply that I have proof.

7492
05:10:38,718 --> 05:10:39,040
>> Correct.

7493
05:10:39,040 --> 05:10:40,320
>> It means that I'm working towards

7494
05:10:40,320 --> 05:10:42,400
something that I want I want to see it

7495
05:10:42,400 --> 05:10:45,040
better. It may not get there and I may

7496
05:10:45,040 --> 05:10:46,878
not be able to approve it or vote for

7497
05:10:46,878 --> 05:10:47,280
it.

7498
05:10:47,280 --> 05:10:49,040
>> Right.

7499
05:10:49,040 --> 05:10:50,798
>> Okay. Now, am I good to ask my questions

7500
05:10:50,798 --> 05:10:51,120
now?

7501
05:10:51,120 --> 05:10:51,760
>> Yeah.

7502
05:10:51,760 --> 05:10:52,480
>> Ask your questions.

7503
05:10:52,480 --> 05:10:54,240
>> Okay. I'm just making sure. Um, there

7504
05:10:54,240 --> 05:10:56,160
was a lot of talk tonight about data and

7505
05:10:56,160 --> 05:10:57,600
I know Shane just brought that up. There

7506
05:10:57,600 --> 05:10:59,440
was a lot of talk about third-party

7507
05:10:59,440 --> 05:11:00,718
studies.

7508
05:11:00,718 --> 05:11:02,480
>> Jeff, do you already have those or is

7509
05:11:02,480 --> 05:11:03,600
that something that would need to be

7510
05:11:03,600 --> 05:11:05,120
done later? Like I just know that there

7511
05:11:05,120 --> 05:11:07,840
was a lot of like there was um I could

7512
05:11:07,840 --> 05:11:11,440
find one quick one. Um Mr.

7513
05:11:11,440 --> 05:11:13,680
I can't find it now. I thought I had it.

7514
05:11:13,680 --> 05:11:15,520
Um Mr. Helm, that's right. He talked

7515
05:11:15,520 --> 05:11:18,080
about a dec like more than just um a

7516
05:11:18,080 --> 05:11:19,760
sound study. He talked about like a

7517
05:11:19,760 --> 05:11:22,080
acoustic study and he said some things

7518
05:11:22,080 --> 05:11:25,200
that I've never heard. DMA, DBC,

7519
05:11:25,200 --> 05:11:25,920
>> um,

7520
05:11:25,920 --> 05:11:26,958
>> was it tone?

7521
05:11:26,958 --> 05:11:28,878
>> Tone, tone, frequency,

7522
05:11:28,878 --> 05:11:29,920
>> infrared sound.

7523
05:11:29,920 --> 05:11:30,718
>> There there was a whole bunch of

7524
05:11:30,718 --> 05:11:32,400
different things. We use a third party

7525
05:11:32,400 --> 05:11:35,360
acoustics engineering there. They broker

7526
05:11:35,360 --> 05:11:38,240
through uh, link engineering, right?

7527
05:11:38,240 --> 05:11:40,958
>> So, we we can increase the detail in

7528
05:11:40,958 --> 05:11:42,400
that study without

7529
05:11:42,400 --> 05:11:44,000
>> without a problem. So, we can take what

7530
05:11:44,000 --> 05:11:44,878
we've already done

7531
05:11:44,878 --> 05:11:45,760
>> and I guess my question

7532
05:11:45,760 --> 05:11:46,878
>> we can go further with it. My question

7533
05:11:46,878 --> 05:11:50,240
is there was that about that there was I

7534
05:11:50,240 --> 05:11:52,798
think the heat study and I want to say

7535
05:11:52,798 --> 05:11:54,560
the air quality study I think those were

7536
05:11:54,560 --> 05:11:56,400
three that I had written down throughout

7537
05:11:56,400 --> 05:11:57,680
that process are those things that you

7538
05:11:57,680 --> 05:11:58,320
already have

7539
05:11:58,320 --> 05:12:00,560
>> air quality is uh yeah that's completely

7540
05:12:00,560 --> 05:12:02,400
third party I mean that's we have to we

7541
05:12:02,400 --> 05:12:03,680
use stand

7542
05:12:03,680 --> 05:12:05,280
>> it's a third party

7543
05:12:05,280 --> 05:12:07,920
>> and they take it to the state

7544
05:12:07,920 --> 05:12:10,080
>> the state reviews it independently

7545
05:12:10,080 --> 05:12:13,600
that's third party so you know yeah all

7546
05:12:13,600 --> 05:12:16,240
of those they're they're third they're

7547
05:12:16,240 --> 05:12:20,638
third party um sound. Um you know what

7548
05:12:20,638 --> 05:12:23,200
we what we find pretty rapidly with any

7549
05:12:23,200 --> 05:12:25,440
third-party conversations is that it's

7550
05:12:25,440 --> 05:12:27,440
been shown over and over again that when

7551
05:12:27,440 --> 05:12:31,840
you already have 50 60 dB

7552
05:12:31,840 --> 05:12:34,480
in ambient sound where you are and then

7553
05:12:34,480 --> 05:12:36,798
you have equipment that has proven to be

7554
05:12:36,798 --> 05:12:38,878
you stand next to it the sound is the

7555
05:12:38,878 --> 05:12:41,600
sound and you have another 60 dB. I

7556
05:12:41,600 --> 05:12:44,080
mean, it's it's really not a a difficult

7557
05:12:44,080 --> 05:12:47,600
equation. And while we haven't employed

7558
05:12:47,600 --> 05:12:50,400
a separate party to do that, that that

7559
05:12:50,400 --> 05:12:52,320
actually wouldn't be hard for us to do.

7560
05:12:52,320 --> 05:12:56,320
And there are also um many studies that

7561
05:12:56,320 --> 05:12:59,200
we can draw from that have been done,

7562
05:12:59,200 --> 05:13:01,920
third party studies in different areas,

7563
05:13:01,920 --> 05:13:04,638
data centers, and so forth. So

7564
05:13:04,638 --> 05:13:07,760
>> I think we won't have a a challenge in

7565
05:13:07,760 --> 05:13:11,280
providing more third party data on

7566
05:13:11,280 --> 05:13:14,958
sound, heat, um, etc.

7567
05:13:14,958 --> 05:13:16,400
>> And then I guess the other one was

7568
05:13:16,400 --> 05:13:18,320
environmental studies. So just as you're

7569
05:13:18,320 --> 05:13:20,400
putting them out through your your

7570
05:13:20,400 --> 05:13:21,520
website or however you're putting that

7571
05:13:21,520 --> 05:13:22,798
out, I think those are answers that

7572
05:13:22,798 --> 05:13:24,560
people that were here tonight and in

7573
05:13:24,560 --> 05:13:25,600
emails were asking.

7574
05:13:25,600 --> 05:13:27,600
>> Yeah. And just I think it's also fair to

7575
05:13:27,600 --> 05:13:31,360
say that um

7576
05:13:31,360 --> 05:13:33,280
I don't think that the burden should be

7577
05:13:33,280 --> 05:13:37,040
on us to answer to every person's

7578
05:13:37,040 --> 05:13:40,080
request about every single topic that

7579
05:13:40,080 --> 05:13:42,798
there are you know environmental studies

7580
05:13:42,798 --> 05:13:45,760
that are tied to the existing building

7581
05:13:45,760 --> 05:13:47,920
for example there are previous

7582
05:13:47,920 --> 05:13:51,440
environmental studies about the existing

7583
05:13:51,440 --> 05:13:54,798
um state of the building and so I think

7584
05:13:54,798 --> 05:13:56,958
we need to be able to draw from some

7585
05:13:56,958 --> 05:14:00,958
existing studies that were previous to

7586
05:14:00,958 --> 05:14:05,360
us and so forth, you know. So, um I I

7587
05:14:05,360 --> 05:14:09,040
think we will we are amendable to

7588
05:14:09,040 --> 05:14:11,200
providing as much information as we can.

7589
05:14:11,200 --> 05:14:12,160
It doesn't mean that we're going to go

7590
05:14:12,160 --> 05:14:18,080
ahead and sponsor a study for every request for a study, if that makes

7591
05:14:18,080 --> 05:14:20,080
sense. I don't I don't know that that's

7592
05:14:20,080 --> 05:14:24,160
what um many industrial operations are

7593
05:14:24,160 --> 05:14:25,680
asked to do. You know, I don't think

7594
05:14:25,680 --> 05:14:27,200
Quickqu Quack was asked to do a water

7595
05:14:27,200 --> 05:14:28,878
study and they're using more than we do.

7596
05:14:28,878 --> 05:14:31,280
So, there's, you know, I think that

7597
05:14:31,280 --> 05:14:32,718
there needs to be a reasonable

7598
05:14:32,718 --> 05:14:36,160
expectation about um what hoops we're

7599
05:14:36,160 --> 05:14:37,920
asked to jump through when we're willing

7600
05:14:37,920 --> 05:14:39,440
to jump through so many, but that

7601
05:14:39,440 --> 05:14:40,560
doesn't mean that we're going to do

7602
05:14:40,560 --> 05:14:43,440
something, you know, on a Firefly, for

7603
05:14:43,440 --> 05:14:44,320
example.

7604
05:14:44,320 --> 05:14:47,360
>> Got it. Okay. Um then the other question

7605
05:14:47,360 --> 05:14:49,840
I have right now is there were some

7606
05:14:49,840 --> 05:14:52,560
questions about shifting numbers. One of

7607
05:14:52,560 --> 05:14:54,000
the numbers that I had written down

7608
05:14:54,000 --> 05:14:56,080
before I came tonight is when you

7609
05:14:56,080 --> 05:14:58,240
presented to us two weeks ago the number

7610
05:14:58,240 --> 05:15:01,120
that you presented was 250 megawws and

7611
05:15:01,120 --> 05:15:03,440
then in planning commission the next

7612
05:15:03,440 --> 05:15:05,440
night you talked they talked about

7613
05:15:05,440 --> 05:15:07,520
putting a limit on the high end right of

7614
05:15:07,520 --> 05:15:09,280
five and you had said we would be

7615
05:15:09,280 --> 05:15:11,280
comfortable with 500 which is really

7616
05:15:11,280 --> 05:15:14,878
high compared to 250. And then the error

7617
05:15:14,878 --> 05:15:16,400
I I'm gonna say it wrong. The error

7618
05:15:16,400 --> 05:15:18,958
impact submission that you have in what

7619
05:15:18,958 --> 05:15:20,560
is that called the that you have into

7620
05:15:20,560 --> 05:15:21,680
the state. You just said it just

7621
05:15:21,680 --> 05:15:23,680
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Yeah. through

7622
05:15:23,680 --> 05:15:24,560
Stantech.

7623
05:15:24,560 --> 05:15:27,200
>> It has a It has 393

7624
05:15:27,200 --> 05:15:27,680
>> four.

7625
05:15:27,680 --> 05:15:28,320
Okay.

7626
05:15:28,320 --> 05:15:28,638
>> Yeah.

7627
05:15:28,638 --> 05:15:31,360
>> Okay. 400. Can you tell us why why are

7628
05:15:31,360 --> 05:15:32,638
these all these numbers?

7629
05:15:32,638 --> 05:15:34,320
>> Yeah. I think this just gets this just

7630
05:15:34,320 --> 05:15:36,320
helps you know sometimes when we're

7631
05:15:36,320 --> 05:15:39,760
there's levels to you know the detail in

7632
05:15:39,760 --> 05:15:42,400
an engineering design for example. So

7633
05:15:42,400 --> 05:15:44,320
when we begin a conversation for example

7634
05:15:44,320 --> 05:15:47,840
with a client they say to us we need 100

7635
05:15:47,840 --> 05:15:51,600
megawws of of compute we need 100

7636
05:15:51,600 --> 05:15:54,400
megawatts of critical power and so we

7637
05:15:54,400 --> 05:15:56,240
have a conversation about 100 megawws

7638
05:15:56,240 --> 05:15:58,000
and typically the conversation in the

7639
05:15:58,000 --> 05:15:59,680
public

7640
05:15:59,680 --> 05:16:02,480
you're talking about that compute 100

7641
05:16:02,480 --> 05:16:04,400
megawatt so that's standard that you

7642
05:16:04,400 --> 05:16:07,600
would reference the amount of power that

7643
05:16:07,600 --> 05:16:10,000
the compute requires

7644
05:16:10,000 --> 05:16:13,360
behind that sits the full engineering,

7645
05:16:13,360 --> 05:16:16,240
the name plate. That means how much

7646
05:16:16,240 --> 05:16:18,160
power will be required to do everything

7647
05:16:18,160 --> 05:16:20,878
that needs to be done on that property

7648
05:16:20,878 --> 05:16:23,760
to power the cooling

7649
05:16:23,760 --> 05:16:31,120
um to have enough power if you needed to uh tap into your um your backup

7650
05:16:31,120 --> 05:16:32,718
power.

7651
05:16:32,718 --> 05:16:38,240
um the fuel cell or other technology may

7652
05:16:38,240 --> 05:16:41,840
operate at 60 or 70% efficiency. So you

7653
05:16:41,840 --> 05:16:45,200
will put more you know fuel cell on on

7654
05:16:45,200 --> 05:16:48,240
the property. So that gives you a full

7655
05:16:48,240 --> 05:16:50,718
boore if if you needed to power every

7656
05:16:50,718 --> 05:16:54,000
single thing at once, a name plate, that

7657
05:16:54,000 --> 05:16:57,440
ends up being typically

7658
05:16:57,440 --> 05:17:01,280
um you know 50%

7659
05:17:01,280 --> 05:17:05,760
sometimes higher more than your compute.

7660
05:17:05,760 --> 05:17:08,878
So in our name plate in our engineering

7661
05:17:08,878 --> 05:17:12,480
we believe that we may need up to 394

7662
05:17:12,480 --> 05:17:15,520
megawatts of power on site to ensure

7663
05:17:15,520 --> 05:17:20,000
that we always have 250 megawatts of

7664
05:17:20,000 --> 05:17:22,878
critical compute power available without

7665
05:17:22,878 --> 05:17:25,840
any drop off. So that's so that's what

7666
05:17:25,840 --> 05:17:27,920
happens when you know you're you're

7667
05:17:27,920 --> 05:17:29,760
talking about the difference between

7668
05:17:29,760 --> 05:17:32,400
power for the compute and power for the

7669
05:17:32,400 --> 05:17:34,080
whole facility. And so that's just the

7670
05:17:34,080 --> 05:17:36,160
that's the natural language of language

7671
05:17:36,160 --> 05:17:38,480
of the industry. So I think in our

7672
05:17:38,480 --> 05:17:40,958
initial conversations it it's natural

7673
05:17:40,958 --> 05:17:43,520
for us to say this is a 250 megawatt

7674
05:17:43,520 --> 05:17:46,160
facility. When you get into the details

7675
05:17:46,160 --> 05:17:49,040
of engineering it's a 395 megawatt name

7676
05:17:49,040 --> 05:17:52,878
plate. So um so in that conversation

7677
05:17:52,878 --> 05:17:54,560
when we started talking about limits

7678
05:17:54,560 --> 05:17:56,878
that's when I clarified okay if we're

7679
05:17:56,878 --> 05:17:58,240
going to put a limit we need to be sure

7680
05:17:58,240 --> 05:18:00,400
we're covering the name plate. And when

7681
05:18:00,400 --> 05:18:03,120
we talk about 500, I think that's just

7682
05:18:03,120 --> 05:18:07,040
my uh creating a buffer if in some case

7683
05:18:07,040 --> 05:18:09,680
in for some reason, you know, but we

7684
05:18:09,680 --> 05:18:12,958
don't we already know that this property

7685
05:18:12,958 --> 05:18:16,000
it maxes out. We cannot we cannot

7686
05:18:16,000 --> 05:18:18,400
support more than 250 megawatts of

7687
05:18:18,400 --> 05:18:20,240
critical power on that property. And

7688
05:18:20,240 --> 05:18:24,480
there's no more room to create a power

7689
05:18:24,480 --> 05:18:27,040
generating system on that property. And

7690
05:18:27,040 --> 05:18:30,080
in fact, there's a chance that we may

7691
05:18:30,080 --> 05:18:32,240
not even be able to produce 250

7692
05:18:32,240 --> 05:18:33,840
depending on just final final

7693
05:18:33,840 --> 05:18:36,878
engineering. It could end up at 200,

7694
05:18:36,878 --> 05:18:42,480
180, 225, 240. Um, and so we think that

7695
05:18:42,480 --> 05:18:45,440
a name plate of 395

7696
05:18:45,440 --> 05:18:48,400
really does represent the the maximum

7697
05:18:48,400 --> 05:18:50,480
that we would need on site.

7698
05:18:50,480 --> 05:18:51,600
>> Thank you for explaining that.

7699
05:18:51,600 --> 05:18:54,080
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

7700
05:18:54,080 --> 05:18:56,400
>> Okay. I had five questions and four have

7701
05:18:56,400 --> 05:18:56,958
been answered.

7702
05:18:56,958 --> 05:18:57,600
>> No.

7703
05:18:57,600 --> 05:18:58,798
>> Oh, are you ready to go?

7704
05:18:58,798 --> 05:19:00,000
>> Whatever. I can go after you though.

7705
05:19:00,000 --> 05:19:01,600
That's just fine. I'm happy to wait. You

7706
05:19:01,600 --> 05:19:03,360
want me? I just got four. I'll go I'll

7707
05:19:03,360 --> 05:19:04,638
go quick. Maybe it'll be one of your

7708
05:19:04,638 --> 05:19:06,400
>> questions.

7709
05:19:06,400 --> 05:19:08,400
>> All right, Jeff. Thank you. I the at the

7710
05:19:08,400 --> 05:19:09,840
beginning of the evening, I appreciated

7711
05:19:09,840 --> 05:19:11,200
when you said we're going to kind of

7712
05:19:11,200 --> 05:19:12,480
slow things down a little bit. I feel

7713
05:19:12,480 --> 05:19:13,840
like especially everybody in this room,

7714
05:19:13,840 --> 05:19:15,680
even who's still here, would agree that

7715
05:19:15,680 --> 05:19:17,360
that's something that um they

7716
05:19:17,360 --> 05:19:18,480
appreciate. They've been feeling a

7717
05:19:18,480 --> 05:19:19,760
little bit rushed in the process. And

7718
05:19:19,760 --> 05:19:23,120
so, so thank you. And you know, as a

7719
05:19:23,120 --> 05:19:25,600
city council member, I my job is to

7720
05:19:25,600 --> 05:19:27,360
listen to the residents. And so I love

7721
05:19:27,360 --> 05:19:29,840
this evening listening to everybody

7722
05:19:29,840 --> 05:19:31,680
share their the pros and cons and how

7723
05:19:31,680 --> 05:19:33,760
they feel. I mean, that's my job. And

7724
05:19:33,760 --> 05:19:38,878
so, uh, I want to be their voice. That's my responsibility. So, so on in

7725
05:19:38,878 --> 05:19:43,600
that spirit, I I had 14 takeaways, uh,

7726
05:19:43,600 --> 05:19:45,120
from the comments this evening from

7727
05:19:45,120 --> 05:19:48,480
everybody. So, thank you. Um, some of

7728
05:19:48,480 --> 05:19:50,080
the questions have been answered, you

7729
05:19:50,080 --> 05:19:52,320
know, in the last couple minutes. Uh,

7730
05:19:52,320 --> 05:19:55,120
14, but I'm just going to ask about four

7731
05:19:55,120 --> 05:19:57,360
of them right now and then I could even

7732
05:19:57,360 --> 05:19:58,560
send you the rest because I know you're

7733
05:19:58,560 --> 05:19:59,120
going to put them.

7734
05:19:59,120 --> 05:20:00,798
>> These are the four hardest of the 14.

7735
05:20:00,798 --> 05:20:01,360
I'm assuming

7736
05:20:01,360 --> 05:20:03,440
>> ones that are really going to upset you.

7737
05:20:03,440 --> 05:20:04,480
No,

7738
05:20:04,480 --> 05:20:05,840
>> no, but I just feel like these are these

7739
05:20:05,840 --> 05:20:07,520
are a good four. They may even be some

7740
05:20:07,520 --> 05:20:08,958
of yours, Stacy. So, we can

7741
05:20:08,958 --> 05:20:09,680
>> Good. Now, I won't

7742
05:20:09,680 --> 05:20:12,718
>> two birds stone. So, so uh and feel free

7743
05:20:12,718 --> 05:20:14,080
to be brief because again I'm sure

7744
05:20:14,080 --> 05:20:16,080
you'll want to expound on some of these

7745
05:20:16,080 --> 05:20:18,878
uh later slide or on your website or

7746
05:20:18,878 --> 05:20:20,718
something. So, the first one I was

7747
05:20:20,718 --> 05:20:23,040
curious about that was was asked earlier

7748
05:20:23,040 --> 05:20:25,600
was about the two data centers and I

7749
05:20:25,600 --> 05:20:27,280
didn't really understand I maybe I've

7750
05:20:27,280 --> 05:20:30,240
missed I was at Saturday's session but

7751
05:20:30,240 --> 05:20:32,638
quickly what what is that?

7752
05:20:32,638 --> 05:20:34,400
>> What do you mean like

7753
05:20:34,400 --> 05:20:35,280
>> planning commission?

7754
05:20:35,280 --> 05:20:36,718
>> Okay. Was that I missed

7755
05:20:36,718 --> 05:20:37,600
>> planning commission?

7756
05:20:37,600 --> 05:20:39,680
>> Wait the two what? Oh, I thought it was

7757
05:20:39,680 --> 05:20:41,680
to allow potentially two data centers.

7758
05:20:41,680 --> 05:20:43,760
>> Oh, allowing the two data centers is

7759
05:20:43,760 --> 05:20:45,760
just this is just something that came

7760
05:20:45,760 --> 05:20:47,760
out of natural conversation with the

7761
05:20:47,760 --> 05:20:51,840
commission where um the city is

7762
05:20:51,840 --> 05:20:56,080
contemplating a limit um and not, you

7763
05:20:56,080 --> 05:20:58,400
know, effectively opening the floodgates

7764
05:20:58,400 --> 05:21:00,480
for every developer in the world to say,

7765
05:21:00,480 --> 05:21:02,560
"Hey, we can run down there to Spanish

7766
05:21:02,560 --> 05:21:04,240
Fork and duplicate this." And all of a

7767
05:21:04,240 --> 05:21:05,840
sudden, you've got all this stuff going

7768
05:21:05,840 --> 05:21:07,760
on. and and we don't have any opposition

7769
05:21:07,760 --> 05:21:09,200
to a to a limit.

7770
05:21:09,200 --> 05:21:10,320
>> Okay. Yeah.

7771
05:21:10,320 --> 05:21:12,480
>> And that that was a planning commission

7772
05:21:12,480 --> 05:21:13,600
suggestion right now.

7773
05:21:13,600 --> 05:21:14,958
>> Yeah. It was a one of the things that

7774
05:21:14,958 --> 05:21:16,560
they added to the

7775
05:21:16,560 --> 05:21:17,280
>> Excellent.

7776
05:21:17,280 --> 05:21:18,798
>> Another question that I was curious

7777
05:21:18,798 --> 05:21:21,760
about your answer from valition is

7778
05:21:21,760 --> 05:21:23,280
>> a couple folks are really curious. This

7779
05:21:23,280 --> 05:21:25,440
is the emails as well receiving but how

7780
05:21:25,440 --> 05:21:28,240
can we know we directly benefit from you

7781
05:21:28,240 --> 05:21:30,160
guys and maybe that's hard to articulate

7782
05:21:30,160 --> 05:21:32,160
but is there a way that we can start

7783
05:21:32,160 --> 05:21:34,400
broadcasting that this is how you can

7784
05:21:34,400 --> 05:21:36,080
someone asked earlier like how is there

7785
05:21:36,080 --> 05:21:37,440
a way to actually benefit from this

7786
05:21:37,440 --> 05:21:39,040
energy that's being created and I know

7787
05:21:39,040 --> 05:21:40,958
you have these massive customers that'll

7788
05:21:40,958 --> 05:21:41,920
be tapping into this but

7789
05:21:41,920 --> 05:21:44,480
>> well how can you benefit from our power

7790
05:21:44,480 --> 05:21:45,840
>> yeah well I mean

7791
05:21:45,840 --> 05:21:46,400
>> you're so

7792
05:21:46,400 --> 05:21:48,480
>> besides the besides the tax and you know

7793
05:21:48,480 --> 05:21:51,280
the financial piece of questions in a

7794
05:21:51,280 --> 05:21:51,520
second

7795
05:21:51,520 --> 05:21:55,280
>> so I'm going to go into a really

7796
05:21:55,280 --> 05:21:56,958
scary territory that gets a lot of

7797
05:21:56,958 --> 05:21:59,760
people really uptight. But you asked it.

7798
05:21:59,760 --> 05:22:03,200
I move we adjourn.

7799
05:22:03,200 --> 05:22:08,000
>> Listen, Landon, if it were up to us,

7800
05:22:08,000 --> 05:22:09,520
so I don't know how many homes are

7801
05:22:09,520 --> 05:22:11,680
coming into Edge. Uh

7802
05:22:11,680 --> 05:22:12,718
>> 600 units.

7803
05:22:12,718 --> 05:22:14,080
>> No, in that devel No, I think there's

7804
05:22:14,080 --> 05:22:15,920
600 there in that little development

7805
05:22:15,920 --> 05:22:16,878
right by us.

7806
05:22:16,878 --> 05:22:17,840
>> It's close to,

7807
05:22:17,840 --> 05:22:18,878
>> isn't it? 5 to six.

7808
05:22:18,878 --> 05:22:19,520
>> Six.

7809
05:22:19,520 --> 05:22:20,080
>> How many?

7810
05:22:20,080 --> 05:22:23,440
>> It's close to 600. Okay,

7811
05:22:23,440 --> 05:22:23,920
>> we were

7812
05:22:23,920 --> 05:22:27,040
>> if if it were up to us, um we could

7813
05:22:27,040 --> 05:22:29,920
provide we could power every one of

7814
05:22:29,920 --> 05:22:33,360
those homes and we could give them heat

7815
05:22:33,360 --> 05:22:36,560
at no cost. And guess what? We would be

7816
05:22:36,560 --> 05:22:39,840
happy to do it. But you start putting a

7817
05:22:39,840 --> 05:22:42,240
proposal out there like that to the

7818
05:22:42,240 --> 05:22:44,560
utilities and to people are going to get

7819
05:22:44,560 --> 05:22:47,200
crazy crazy. I don't know that we that's

7820
05:22:47,200 --> 05:22:49,440
a fight we're wanting to go sign up for.

7821
05:22:49,440 --> 05:22:51,520
But just to give you an example, what

7822
05:22:51,520 --> 05:22:55,200
I'm saying is our ability to share our

7823
05:22:55,200 --> 05:22:58,480
power um is

7824
05:22:58,480 --> 05:23:00,480
our hands are tied. We can't we can't do

7825
05:23:00,480 --> 05:23:02,638
that. But we would do it in in two

7826
05:23:02,638 --> 05:23:05,520
seconds. A part of our long-term model

7827
05:23:05,520 --> 05:23:08,000
just share with you. Uh maybe this shuts

7828
05:23:08,000 --> 05:23:09,520
us down, you know, somebody hears about

7829
05:23:09,520 --> 05:23:12,798
it. But our long-term model, our

7830
05:23:12,798 --> 05:23:15,120
original model

7831
05:23:15,120 --> 05:23:17,760
always contemplated, we have so much

7832
05:23:17,760 --> 05:23:19,360
power.

7833
05:23:19,360 --> 05:23:21,760
So how do we allow whoever's in

7834
05:23:21,760 --> 05:23:24,878
proximity to our power to access that

7835
05:23:24,878 --> 05:23:28,718
power at a radical discount? And um it's

7836
05:23:28,718 --> 05:23:32,160
still part of our model long term. Uh we

7837
05:23:32,160 --> 05:23:33,200
just don't know how that would be

7838
05:23:33,200 --> 05:23:34,638
implemented. We're talking about over 10

7839
05:23:34,638 --> 05:23:38,878
and 15 years. So you get approval to let

7840
05:23:38,878 --> 05:23:42,000
us to to borrow our power and

7841
05:23:42,000 --> 05:23:44,480
take it. It's yours.

7842
05:23:44,480 --> 05:23:46,878
>> To maybe address the other side of that,

7843
05:23:46,878 --> 05:23:48,400
um there's a limit to the amount of

7844
05:23:48,400 --> 05:23:50,958
power that the grid can handle. It's it

7845
05:23:50,958 --> 05:23:54,000
has its capacities and this blows that

7846
05:23:54,000 --> 05:23:55,520
up.

7847
05:23:55,520 --> 05:23:59,200
Um we have uh we have the approval to

7848
05:23:59,200 --> 05:24:03,440
grow our uh power consumption another uh

7849
05:24:03,440 --> 05:24:06,560
50 megawws in Spanish Fork in the system

7850
05:24:06,560 --> 05:24:08,798
that we have. Uh there is another

7851
05:24:08,798 --> 05:24:11,600
company that um has asked about an

7852
05:24:11,600 --> 05:24:14,160
additional 50 so we'll call it 100.

7853
05:24:14,160 --> 05:24:16,240
Beyond that somebody has to pay $400

7854
05:24:16,240 --> 05:24:19,040
million to build some additional

7855
05:24:19,040 --> 05:24:20,798
capacities in the Rocky Mountain power

7856
05:24:20,798 --> 05:24:22,958
transmission system.

7857
05:24:22,958 --> 05:24:25,760
um that was 400 million

7858
05:24:25,760 --> 05:24:27,520
and so

7859
05:24:27,520 --> 05:24:29,360
uh we don't have that. We can't buy the

7860
05:24:29,360 --> 05:24:32,958
building and do that. Um

7861
05:24:32,958 --> 05:24:38,240
so if they were to plug in and this

7862
05:24:38,240 --> 05:24:39,440
these are conversations that we've had

7863
05:24:39,440 --> 05:24:41,840
with Jeff too. If they were to plug into

7864
05:24:41,840 --> 05:24:44,320
the grid to give us the power

7865
05:24:44,320 --> 05:24:44,718
>> Yeah.

7866
05:24:44,718 --> 05:24:46,240
>> those changes have to happen.

7867
05:24:46,240 --> 05:24:47,200
>> Yeah. We can't

7868
05:24:47,200 --> 05:24:49,600
>> So So you can't take it and you can't

7869
05:24:49,600 --> 05:24:51,600
give it. They both work the same way,

7870
05:24:51,600 --> 05:24:53,200
right? power goes in both directions.

7871
05:24:53,200 --> 05:24:55,360
So, it it's just it's at the moment,

7872
05:24:55,360 --> 05:24:56,798
right? It's a non-starter to

7873
05:24:56,798 --> 05:24:57,040
>> Yeah.

7874
05:24:57,040 --> 05:24:59,440
>> If we had any requests to connect in any

7875
05:24:59,440 --> 05:25:02,878
way or to net meter or share our power,

7876
05:25:02,878 --> 05:25:07,040
then we're then we're strictly undermpa

7877
05:25:07,040 --> 05:25:10,160
guidelines and wouldn't work.

7878
05:25:10,160 --> 05:25:13,280
>> Thank you. Just two more questions. Um,

7879
05:25:13,280 --> 05:25:15,360
someone asked earlier about is it worth

7880
05:25:15,360 --> 05:25:18,560
it to consider a a decommission bond? I

7881
05:25:18,560 --> 05:25:19,680
thought that was interesting and I'm

7882
05:25:19,680 --> 05:25:23,120
just curious your thoughts. Well, we we are the ones who recommend we have

7883
05:25:23,120 --> 05:25:25,520
recommended decommission

7884
05:25:25,520 --> 05:25:27,920
uh decommissioning plan that that is our

7885
05:25:27,920 --> 05:25:31,120
suggest suggestion in the original

7886
05:25:31,120 --> 05:25:34,240
uh amendment. Now uh we also need to be

7887
05:25:34,240 --> 05:25:36,638
smart about how we do it. You know, do

7888
05:25:36,638 --> 05:25:39,520
we want to have

7889
05:25:39,520 --> 05:25:42,480
call it $40 million just tied up in

7890
05:25:42,480 --> 05:25:45,360
perpetuity? No, we don't. But I know

7891
05:25:45,360 --> 05:25:48,638
that our team is looking at ways to

7892
05:25:48,638 --> 05:25:50,080
accomplish this. We just had a meeting

7893
05:25:50,080 --> 05:25:54,000
about it just two days ago. So we will

7894
05:25:54,000 --> 05:25:58,000
solve for a decommissioning

7895
05:25:58,000 --> 05:26:02,080
uh structure that would ensure that um

7896
05:26:02,080 --> 05:26:04,638
if if we just completely failed that

7897
05:26:04,638 --> 05:26:06,878
there would be capital available to be

7898
05:26:06,878 --> 05:26:10,320
able to decommission the the property.

7899
05:26:10,320 --> 05:26:10,718
>> Okay.

7900
05:26:10,718 --> 05:26:12,400
>> Landon, can I piggyback on that?

7901
05:26:12,400 --> 05:26:15,520
>> Go ahead. So Jeff, you kind of have

7902
05:26:15,520 --> 05:26:17,280
alluded to what it might cost for you

7903
05:26:17,280 --> 05:26:20,320
guys to come and and be there. What does

7904
05:26:20,320 --> 05:26:22,718
a decommissioning look like if we have

7905
05:26:22,718 --> 05:26:25,600
to haul if you had to move stuff out and

7906
05:26:25,600 --> 05:26:27,760
do the reverse? Any idea what the cost

7907
05:26:27,760 --> 05:26:28,560
of that would look like?

7908
05:26:28,560 --> 05:26:30,240
>> Yeah, there's been a few numbers that

7909
05:26:30,240 --> 05:26:33,440
have been bounced around. Um, but we

7910
05:26:33,440 --> 05:26:37,280
think that it it would be north of $30

7911
05:26:37,280 --> 05:26:38,160
million.

7912
05:26:38,160 --> 05:26:42,400
>> Okay. Okay. Good to know. Thank you. Um

7913
05:26:42,400 --> 05:26:46,080
final question for tonight. So, um, see

7914
05:26:46,080 --> 05:26:47,680
if I can articulate this one when it

7915
05:26:47,680 --> 05:26:48,958
comes to, and you had some great slides

7916
05:26:48,958 --> 05:26:51,440
earlier showing, you know, the financial

7917
05:26:51,440 --> 05:26:53,280
benefit to Spanish city, nebo school

7918
05:26:53,280 --> 05:26:54,480
district,

7919
05:26:54,480 --> 05:26:56,560
>> uh, you know, the tax revenue, that sort

7920
05:26:56,560 --> 05:26:57,840
of stuff. And then there were a couple

7921
05:26:57,840 --> 05:26:59,280
questions and I've received some emails

7922
05:26:59,280 --> 05:27:01,040
as well about what is that reality?

7923
05:27:01,040 --> 05:27:03,200
Could that change? How was that? And you

7924
05:27:03,200 --> 05:27:04,718
mentioned it just a minute ago, like it

7925
05:27:04,718 --> 05:27:06,560
could be a lot more, you know, based on

7926
05:27:06,560 --> 05:27:09,120
once we get certain clients in there.

7927
05:27:09,120 --> 05:27:10,878
So, I don't know exactly what the

7928
05:27:10,878 --> 05:27:12,320
question is, but if you could just

7929
05:27:12,320 --> 05:27:15,120
address maybe the reality of that.

7930
05:27:15,120 --> 05:27:17,760
>> Yeah, I I think the reality of it is

7931
05:27:17,760 --> 05:27:22,080
that um let's look at if it's smaller.

7932
05:27:22,080 --> 05:27:25,200
So, how could it be smaller? Um let's

7933
05:27:25,200 --> 05:27:30,000
say we proceed with this um

7934
05:27:30,000 --> 05:27:32,878
and something happens with a demand for

7935
05:27:32,878 --> 05:27:35,520
data centers. And so instead of

7936
05:27:35,520 --> 05:27:38,558
contracting with a large client to take

7937
05:27:38,558 --> 05:27:41,840
all 250 megawws for a 12-year

7938
05:27:41,840 --> 05:27:43,360
commitment,

7939
05:27:43,360 --> 05:27:46,638
um maybe they say, "We're just going to

7940
05:27:46,638 --> 05:27:51,680
take 50 megawws for now." And and for

7941
05:27:51,680 --> 05:27:54,480
whatever reason, we don't get more

7942
05:27:54,480 --> 05:27:58,958
clients, so we could just be smaller. Um

7943
05:27:58,958 --> 05:28:00,718
I think that those who are concerned

7944
05:28:00,718 --> 05:28:03,120
about a data center probably then

7945
05:28:03,120 --> 05:28:04,878
welcome that. So I think they would win

7946
05:28:04,878 --> 05:28:06,480
if we ended up being smaller. It might

7947
05:28:06,480 --> 05:28:08,718
make them feel better. So you would have

7948
05:28:08,718 --> 05:28:14,240
a um you know uh an equal you know kind

7949
05:28:14,240 --> 05:28:17,520
of prora decrease on the amount of

7950
05:28:17,520 --> 05:28:19,200
income that's coming into the city but

7951
05:28:19,200 --> 05:28:21,520
it would still be would still be pretty

7952
05:28:21,520 --> 05:28:23,120
substantial coming into the city. So

7953
05:28:23,120 --> 05:28:28,160
that's one scenario. Um I think um

7954
05:28:28,160 --> 05:28:30,240
another scenario

7955
05:28:30,240 --> 05:28:34,080
uh is that this is

7956
05:28:34,080 --> 05:28:38,400
larger likely larger because we are not

7957
05:28:38,400 --> 05:28:42,160
calculating the computer the GPUs we

7958
05:28:42,160 --> 05:28:43,680
build everything what we say up to the

7959
05:28:43,680 --> 05:28:45,360
rack. So, we have all the infrastructure

7960
05:28:45,360 --> 05:28:48,320
in there and then a client, let's say

7961
05:28:48,320 --> 05:28:52,400
it's IBM, uh they then plug into that

7962
05:28:52,400 --> 05:28:55,520
rack all of their GPUs and the

7963
05:28:55,520 --> 05:28:57,040
cumulative

7964
05:28:57,040 --> 05:29:00,558
uh value of those GPUs is actually

7965
05:29:00,558 --> 05:29:02,958
substantially higher than our

7966
05:29:02,958 --> 05:29:05,120
infrastructure. So if our infrastructure

7967
05:29:05,120 --> 05:29:08,798
is valued at 3 to 4 billion, the GPUs

7968
05:29:08,798 --> 05:29:12,558
are going to be valued at another

7969
05:29:12,558 --> 05:29:15,200
3 to four billion plus. I'm still being

7970
05:29:15,200 --> 05:29:21,600
conservative. So there is a uh the the

7971
05:29:21,600 --> 05:29:24,878
reality is this will be a higher figure

7972
05:29:24,878 --> 05:29:27,280
probably more than double than the

7973
05:29:27,280 --> 05:29:29,360
numbers that we've been discussing.

7974
05:29:29,360 --> 05:29:33,520
>> Okay. Thank you. And piggyback on that,

7975
05:29:33,520 --> 05:29:36,958
the math that I'm running is when when

7976
05:29:36,958 --> 05:29:39,520
they say maybe the net to to our city

7977
05:29:39,520 --> 05:29:43,600
could be $4 million and you think, well,

7978
05:29:43,600 --> 05:29:45,920
okay, if that's what we're thinking it's

7979
05:29:45,920 --> 05:29:47,600
going to be and and no, we're smart

7980
05:29:47,600 --> 05:29:50,320
enough financially in the city that I I

7981
05:29:50,320 --> 05:29:51,840
think it was some good points that hey,

7982
05:29:51,840 --> 05:29:54,480
don't don't certainly spend that before,

7983
05:29:54,480 --> 05:29:56,480
you know, that's I think that's got some

7984
05:29:56,480 --> 05:29:58,958
cities certainly in trouble that counted

7985
05:29:58,958 --> 05:30:00,798
on something and and we're really Martin

7986
05:30:00,798 --> 05:30:03,440
and Spanish Fork that we're not counting

7987
05:30:03,440 --> 05:30:06,160
on things and till they're in the bank

7988
05:30:06,160 --> 05:30:08,160
account and when we're spending things,

7989
05:30:08,160 --> 05:30:12,160
but from the math of of of $4 million

7990
05:30:12,160 --> 05:30:15,280
and then a commitment of $500,000 a year

7991
05:30:15,280 --> 05:30:18,240
to support different things like I mean

7992
05:30:18,240 --> 05:30:21,120
that's that might be a a pretty good

7993
05:30:21,120 --> 05:30:23,600
faith thing that well here we haven't

7994
05:30:23,600 --> 05:30:25,280
paid any tax because this stuff isn't in

7995
05:30:25,280 --> 05:30:27,840
there but here's $500,000 in this fund

7996
05:30:27,840 --> 05:30:30,000
to do this this and this.

7997
05:30:30,000 --> 05:30:32,480
that starts to be a piece of $4 million,

7998
05:30:32,480 --> 05:30:35,360
you know, in a fund. Um, and again, not

7999
05:30:35,360 --> 05:30:37,680
that we'd not that we'd run out and and

8000
05:30:37,680 --> 05:30:40,080
buy a shiny new vehicle with that for

8001
05:30:40,080 --> 05:30:42,480
the city or something, but but I think

8002
05:30:42,480 --> 05:30:46,718
that's shown some good faith there. Um,

8003
05:30:46,718 --> 05:30:49,280
the empirical the I've heard the word

8004
05:30:49,280 --> 05:30:51,120
empirical evidence and because I'm a

8005
05:30:51,120 --> 05:30:53,840
Spanish for Kairad, I had to Google that

8006
05:30:53,840 --> 05:30:57,360
um what that exactly meant. And so the

8007
05:30:57,360 --> 05:30:59,920
definition of based on direct obver

8008
05:30:59,920 --> 05:31:02,400
observation, measurement or real world

8009
05:31:02,400 --> 05:31:07,200
experience, I think that's important. Um

8010
05:31:07,200 --> 05:31:09,440
we experienced some of that real world

8011
05:31:09,440 --> 05:31:11,920
uh importance uh and observation the

8012
05:31:11,920 --> 05:31:15,600
other day. I would encourage um I don't

8013
05:31:15,600 --> 05:31:17,760
think everybody's I I I don't feel like

8014
05:31:17,760 --> 05:31:18,958
I've been asked to just believe

8015
05:31:18,958 --> 05:31:20,480
hypothetical

8016
05:31:20,480 --> 05:31:23,200
uh things either. Um, obviously this

8017
05:31:23,200 --> 05:31:25,360
isn't built, but there are things that

8018
05:31:25,360 --> 05:31:27,680
are built in in this technology running.

8019
05:31:27,680 --> 05:31:29,360
And and I can tell you from those

8020
05:31:29,360 --> 05:31:32,400
pictures shown that that that is

8021
05:31:32,400 --> 05:31:35,040
something that's important for I think

8022
05:31:35,040 --> 05:31:36,878
all of us if we haven't seen it to see

8023
05:31:36,878 --> 05:31:39,760
it within this time frame. Um, and uh

8024
05:31:39,760 --> 05:31:41,680
and see if that could be arranged

8025
05:31:41,680 --> 05:31:43,920
because hearing it, seeing it, touching

8026
05:31:43,920 --> 05:31:47,200
it and and and talking to the people

8027
05:31:47,200 --> 05:31:50,480
that live next to it is is pretty is

8028
05:31:50,480 --> 05:31:52,798
pretty important. We think so too. And I

8029
05:31:52,798 --> 05:31:56,160
would look there there is there's public

8030
05:31:56,160 --> 05:31:57,680
access.

8031
05:31:57,680 --> 05:32:00,878
Anybody can, you know, take a drive up

8032
05:32:00,878 --> 05:32:02,638
to

8033
05:32:02,638 --> 05:32:06,958
uh the Nova data center and and you can

8034
05:32:06,958 --> 05:32:08,558
get right in front of that building

8035
05:32:08,558 --> 05:32:11,040
right where the homes are, get out of

8036
05:32:11,040 --> 05:32:14,000
your car, see for yourself, do your own

8037
05:32:14,000 --> 05:32:17,120
measurement, listen. Um that that's

8038
05:32:17,120 --> 05:32:20,160
somebody the other a woman the other day

8039
05:32:20,160 --> 05:32:23,040
was you know she had said well can I can

8040
05:32:23,040 --> 05:32:24,638
I go see this for myself? The answer

8041
05:32:24,638 --> 05:32:27,200
actually is yes. You're not going to get

8042
05:32:27,200 --> 05:32:28,638
in the boundary. You're not going to get

8043
05:32:28,638 --> 05:32:29,760
toward the computer. You're not going to

8044
05:32:29,760 --> 05:32:31,360
get to where it's actually loud in

8045
05:32:31,360 --> 05:32:35,280
there. But if our argument is uh our

8046
05:32:35,280 --> 05:32:37,120
concern is how loud is it at the

8047
05:32:37,120 --> 05:32:40,080
perimeter and how loud is it a quarter

8048
05:32:40,080 --> 05:32:42,400
mile away or by the homes?

8049
05:32:42,400 --> 05:32:46,080
anybody anybody in Utah can drive right

8050
05:32:46,080 --> 05:32:48,798
up there and and see for yourself. And I

8051
05:32:48,798 --> 05:32:51,680
do really

8052
05:32:51,680 --> 05:32:54,160
I I expect that every member of this

8053
05:32:54,160 --> 05:32:56,958
council to do something like that. And

8054
05:32:56,958 --> 05:32:59,520
for those who have not gone to NOVA to

8055
05:32:59,520 --> 05:33:01,520
get a more detailed tour, and I don't

8056
05:33:01,520 --> 05:33:03,120
think the two of you have been yet, I

8057
05:33:03,120 --> 05:33:05,360
just we'll coordinate that. I don't

8058
05:33:05,360 --> 05:33:09,040
think Shane's been. So, um, we'll

8059
05:33:09,040 --> 05:33:11,840
coordinate that so you get, uh, onto the

8060
05:33:11,840 --> 05:33:13,200
property with us.

8061
05:33:13,200 --> 05:33:15,200
>> Mayor, can I can I speak to that?

8062
05:33:15,200 --> 05:33:16,558
>> Sure.

8063
05:33:16,558 --> 05:33:19,360
>> So, Stacy and I yesterday had the

8064
05:33:19,360 --> 05:33:22,000
opportunity to go up to Nova and

8065
05:33:22,000 --> 05:33:22,958
>> Oh, and the mayor.

8066
05:33:22,958 --> 05:33:24,558
>> And the mayor. Yes, the mayor was there.

8067
05:33:24,558 --> 05:33:25,600
>> I was in shorts, though.

8068
05:33:25,600 --> 05:33:27,120
>> He was in shorts, so I didn't see him.

8069
05:33:27,120 --> 05:33:28,798
>> Seth, don't feel bad. They forgot you

8070
05:33:28,798 --> 05:33:30,480
were there, too. But Seth was also

8071
05:33:30,480 --> 05:33:31,280
there.

8072
05:33:31,280 --> 05:33:33,600
>> Seth, Dave, Von, were all there.

8073
05:33:33,600 --> 05:33:35,680
>> My directions were so bad yesterday. I

8074
05:33:35,680 --> 05:33:37,680
don't know where I was. Yeah, Von was

8075
05:33:37,680 --> 05:33:38,878
there, too. Yes.

8076
05:33:38,878 --> 05:33:41,840
>> So, I had a person, a resident today

8077
05:33:41,840 --> 05:33:43,280
reach out to me and messaged me and

8078
05:33:43,280 --> 05:33:44,638
said, "Do you consider yourself a

8079
05:33:44,638 --> 05:33:47,920
steward?" A steward of Not Stewart. I'm

8080
05:33:47,920 --> 05:33:50,638
not a steward. I'm an oiler. A steward

8081
05:33:50,638 --> 05:33:52,480
of Spanish Fork. And I said, "Yes, I

8082
05:33:52,480 --> 05:33:55,280
do." And when it comes to projects like

8083
05:33:55,280 --> 05:33:57,600
this, my responsibility is to do my

8084
05:33:57,600 --> 05:33:59,920
homework. So, I want to report back on a

8085
05:33:59,920 --> 05:34:01,600
little bit of homework that I did when

8086
05:34:01,600 --> 05:34:04,240
in regards to the field trip that we

8087
05:34:04,240 --> 05:34:07,200
took yesterday. So, one of the concerns

8088
05:34:07,200 --> 05:34:09,680
that we've had obviously is is heat.

8089
05:34:09,680 --> 05:34:13,520
Heat's been a concern of mine. Uh, this

8090
05:34:13,520 --> 05:34:16,878
was not scientific, but I did notice on

8091
05:34:16,878 --> 05:34:20,718
my car as I left Spanish Fork. There's

8092
05:34:20,718 --> 05:34:22,718
the temperature meter that tells you how

8093
05:34:22,718 --> 05:34:25,600
hot it is outside, right? So, I watched

8094
05:34:25,600 --> 05:34:28,000
it as I left Spanish Fork. It was 93

8095
05:34:28,000 --> 05:34:31,600
degrees when I left. When I got about 10

8096
05:34:31,600 --> 05:34:35,200
miles away from the Nova data center, it

8097
05:34:35,200 --> 05:34:38,400
was down to 92 degrees. I got to the

8098
05:34:38,400 --> 05:34:40,240
data center. I parked my car. We were

8099
05:34:40,240 --> 05:34:42,718
there what, an hour?

8100
05:34:42,718 --> 05:34:44,320
We were there an hour. When I got back

8101
05:34:44,320 --> 05:34:48,558
in my car, it was still 92 degrees. Um,

8102
05:34:48,558 --> 05:34:50,160
that does not mean that there wasn't

8103
05:34:50,160 --> 05:34:51,840
heat. When we got out and we walked over

8104
05:34:51,840 --> 05:34:55,200
to the Bloom fuel cells, they were hot.

8105
05:34:55,200 --> 05:34:57,600
They were very, very hot. Uh, you could

8106
05:34:57,600 --> 05:34:59,200
feel the wind blowing. you could feel

8107
05:34:59,200 --> 05:35:01,760
that heat. Uh you step away from them

8108
05:35:01,760 --> 05:35:05,680
and go a decent distance away, the heat

8109
05:35:05,680 --> 05:35:07,920
wasn't there. Um I didn't notice the

8110
05:35:07,920 --> 05:35:10,320
heat on my vehicle. So that was my first

8111
05:35:10,320 --> 05:35:13,120
unscientific experiment that I did. Take

8112
05:35:13,120 --> 05:35:17,200
it for what it's worth. Yeah. Second uh

8113
05:35:17,200 --> 05:35:19,760
thing of interest,

8114
05:35:19,760 --> 05:35:24,558
Utah state law as of 2026 as of as as of

8115
05:35:24,558 --> 05:35:26,798
this year requires that all large data

8116
05:35:26,798 --> 05:35:29,600
centers report their annual water use.

8117
05:35:29,600 --> 05:35:32,000
That's public information. The NOVA data

8118
05:35:32,000 --> 05:35:35,040
center, the data center in Las Vegas,

8119
05:35:35,040 --> 05:35:36,798
there's a data center in Grand Junction,

8120
05:35:36,798 --> 05:35:40,878
Colorado. Um, you can go on to their

8121
05:35:40,878 --> 05:35:42,958
websites and they have to disclose and

8122
05:35:42,958 --> 05:35:45,120
show their actual water bills. The one

8123
05:35:45,120 --> 05:35:47,520
in Las Vegas, I think they've got six

8124
05:35:47,520 --> 05:35:50,558
different meters. Landscaping,

8125
05:35:50,558 --> 05:35:52,320
construction,

8126
05:35:52,320 --> 05:35:55,520
um, commercial use, um, the use inside

8127
05:35:55,520 --> 05:35:57,920
the building, they're all separately

8128
05:35:57,920 --> 05:36:00,878
metered and you can see everything. Uh,

8129
05:36:00,878 --> 05:36:03,200
the Nova data center in West Jordan

8130
05:36:03,200 --> 05:36:06,718
shows that as well. And after seeing

8131
05:36:06,718 --> 05:36:09,680
this and talking to the people at at

8132
05:36:09,680 --> 05:36:13,280
Nova, water is not a concern for me

8133
05:36:13,280 --> 05:36:16,878
based on then the 2025 the entire year

8134
05:36:16,878 --> 05:36:18,320
report that they showed of all their

8135
05:36:18,320 --> 05:36:21,200
water consumption. Water use with the

8136
05:36:21,200 --> 05:36:23,280
closed loop system is not a concern for

8137
05:36:23,280 --> 05:36:27,200
me. So that was that was one thing that

8138
05:36:27,200 --> 05:36:30,160
I noticed. Um

8139
05:36:30,160 --> 05:36:32,160
after oh and the other thing that they

8140
05:36:32,160 --> 05:36:34,480
pointed out is at the Nova data center

8141
05:36:34,480 --> 05:36:36,638
there's no turf. You won't find grass as

8142
05:36:36,638 --> 05:36:39,680
part of their landscaping. They hired a

8143
05:36:39,680 --> 05:36:43,040
landscaper that did a study and has put

8144
05:36:43,040 --> 05:36:46,240
in all natural droughtresistant

8145
05:36:46,240 --> 05:36:49,520
vegetation. after 3 years of watering

8146
05:36:49,520 --> 05:36:52,958
their landscaping. Those those plants

8147
05:36:52,958 --> 05:36:56,400
will be um

8148
05:36:56,400 --> 05:36:58,638
not established. Thank you. They'll be

8149
05:36:58,638 --> 05:37:00,240
established. They'll no longer need to

8150
05:37:00,240 --> 05:37:03,120
water them. And so again, water water

8151
05:37:03,120 --> 05:37:05,040
wasn't a concern for me after after

8152
05:37:05,040 --> 05:37:08,718
seeing and doing some research there.

8153
05:37:08,718 --> 05:37:11,040
After we were done with the tour, I did

8154
05:37:11,040 --> 05:37:12,878
what you guys did, it sounds like, and

8155
05:37:12,878 --> 05:37:15,760
what one of our residents did because I

8156
05:37:15,760 --> 05:37:17,680
knocked some houses that said, "Hey, we

8157
05:37:17,680 --> 05:37:19,680
had another guy from Spanish Fork that

8158
05:37:19,680 --> 05:37:22,798
was here." Over the weekend, I went and

8159
05:37:22,798 --> 05:37:25,760
knocked doors and Jordan, I don't know

8160
05:37:25,760 --> 05:37:27,920
if you can bring up Google Maps. I want

8161
05:37:27,920 --> 05:37:29,600
to show just everybody the exact

8162
05:37:29,600 --> 05:37:31,200
proximity of the residential

8163
05:37:31,200 --> 05:37:34,638
neighborhood to the Nova data center.

8164
05:37:34,638 --> 05:37:36,638
So, this is an old map. If you were to

8165
05:37:36,638 --> 05:37:38,400
go up there now, there's the the

8166
05:37:38,400 --> 05:37:40,240
building just south of the red dot is

8167
05:37:40,240 --> 05:37:42,160
the Nova data center. There's now two

8168
05:37:42,160 --> 05:37:43,840
additional buildings, one on each side

8169
05:37:43,840 --> 05:37:46,080
of that one. So, there's three

8170
05:37:46,080 --> 05:37:48,638
buildings. Um the residential

8171
05:37:48,638 --> 05:37:51,600
neighborhood is directly north and

8172
05:37:51,600 --> 05:37:54,638
directly to the west of that residential

8173
05:37:54,638 --> 05:37:56,480
neighborhood that you can't see in the

8174
05:37:56,480 --> 05:37:59,680
map is a another residential development

8175
05:37:59,680 --> 05:38:01,360
that's being built right now of

8176
05:38:01,360 --> 05:38:05,120
highdensity three fourstory condos. So,

8177
05:38:05,120 --> 05:38:07,680
I went and knocked doors for an hour and

8178
05:38:07,680 --> 05:38:09,760
just want to share again, take it for

8179
05:38:09,760 --> 05:38:11,360
what it's worth. This is what I've

8180
05:38:11,360 --> 05:38:14,320
learned talking firsthand to individuals

8181
05:38:14,320 --> 05:38:16,798
that live and have lived by this for

8182
05:38:16,798 --> 05:38:19,440
multiple years. The the ground or the

8183
05:38:19,440 --> 05:38:21,200
ribbon cutting for the Nova Data Center

8184
05:38:21,200 --> 05:38:23,360
took place in 2021. So, it's not

8185
05:38:23,360 --> 05:38:25,040
something that opened yesterday. It's

8186
05:38:25,040 --> 05:38:28,878
been open for five five plus years.

8187
05:38:28,878 --> 05:38:32,320
So, the first house I talked to or

8188
05:38:32,320 --> 05:38:36,240
knocked knocked on, um, obviously not

8189
05:38:36,240 --> 05:38:37,840
everybody answered their doors, but I'm

8190
05:38:37,840 --> 05:38:39,920
going to speak to those that I spoke

8191
05:38:39,920 --> 05:38:43,440
with. Um, the first house I knocked on,

8192
05:38:43,440 --> 05:38:45,840
I asked very first question, what's what

8193
05:38:45,840 --> 05:38:47,520
are the concerns that you've had,

8194
05:38:47,520 --> 05:38:50,558
especially surround sound? You've got a

8195
05:38:50,558 --> 05:38:53,760
data center in your backyard.

8196
05:38:53,760 --> 05:38:55,520
What what are the sounds that you hear?

8197
05:38:55,520 --> 05:38:57,760
Um, the answer was nothing. We don't

8198
05:38:57,760 --> 05:38:59,200
hear anything. I said, "What about at

8199
05:38:59,200 --> 05:39:00,558
night when you've got your windows

8200
05:39:00,558 --> 05:39:03,120
open?" Again, nothing. We don't hear

8201
05:39:03,120 --> 05:39:05,280
anything. In fact, actually, the

8202
05:39:05,280 --> 05:39:08,160
business to the east of us, which I

8203
05:39:08,160 --> 05:39:10,320
won't name, but it's another industrial

8204
05:39:10,320 --> 05:39:11,840
business. That's where the sound comes

8205
05:39:11,840 --> 05:39:13,120
from, not from the data center.

8206
05:39:13,120 --> 05:39:15,680
According to these people, the other

8207
05:39:15,680 --> 05:39:17,440
question I asked was, "How long have you

8208
05:39:17,440 --> 05:39:18,718
lived here?" And these people had been

8209
05:39:18,718 --> 05:39:21,680
there for 15 plus years. They long-term

8210
05:39:21,680 --> 05:39:23,360
residents. I said, "What have you

8211
05:39:23,360 --> 05:39:25,600
noticed about the value of your home and

8212
05:39:25,600 --> 05:39:28,160
the property taxes that you pay?" Um,

8213
05:39:28,160 --> 05:39:29,920
and they said, "Our property value has

8214
05:39:29,920 --> 05:39:31,440
only gone up every single year that

8215
05:39:31,440 --> 05:39:33,360
we've lived here, including the five

8216
05:39:33,360 --> 05:39:34,878
years that the data center was there."

8217
05:39:34,878 --> 05:39:37,040
So, that was another response. I got

8218
05:39:37,040 --> 05:39:39,360
that response from multiple people. The

8219
05:39:39,360 --> 05:39:41,120
next house that I knocked was somebody

8220
05:39:41,120 --> 05:39:43,120
that's lived in that home for 4 days.

8221
05:39:43,120 --> 05:39:45,120
They just barely purchased that home.

8222
05:39:45,120 --> 05:39:46,798
They did not get a discount on their

8223
05:39:46,798 --> 05:39:48,480
purchase price because it's next to a

8224
05:39:48,480 --> 05:39:50,480
data center. They paid full market

8225
05:39:50,480 --> 05:39:52,320
value.

8226
05:39:52,320 --> 05:39:54,798
Um, as I went further south, I knocked

8227
05:39:54,798 --> 05:39:57,440
on the homes that are directly you go

8228
05:39:57,440 --> 05:40:00,160
out their backyard and you look at the

8229
05:40:00,160 --> 05:40:02,240
street and you look at the data center

8230
05:40:02,240 --> 05:40:05,040
which was right across. Um, one

8231
05:40:05,040 --> 05:40:07,280
gentleman, we spoke for probably 10

8232
05:40:07,280 --> 05:40:10,958
minutes. His concern, he didn't like

8233
05:40:10,958 --> 05:40:12,718
that the data center was there and I

8234
05:40:12,718 --> 05:40:14,320
said, "Why not?" He says, "Because I

8235
05:40:14,320 --> 05:40:15,920
preferred the field that was there

8236
05:40:15,920 --> 05:40:17,520
before and the deer that ran through

8237
05:40:17,520 --> 05:40:20,798
it." Um, I says, "Well, the data center

8238
05:40:20,798 --> 05:40:23,040
is there now. What are your thoughts?"

8239
05:40:23,040 --> 05:40:24,798
He said, "I would rather the data center

8240
05:40:24,798 --> 05:40:26,558
than the three-story condos that are

8241
05:40:26,558 --> 05:40:29,040
being built down the street." Um, I

8242
05:40:29,040 --> 05:40:31,920
said, "Okay, that's good info info uh

8243
05:40:31,920 --> 05:40:35,120
input. What about if it was the Amazon

8244
05:40:35,120 --> 05:40:36,798
distribution center that's around the

8245
05:40:36,798 --> 05:40:38,958
corner? If you had the choice between

8246
05:40:38,958 --> 05:40:40,718
the data center that's there or the

8247
05:40:40,718 --> 05:40:42,638
Amazon distribution center, which would

8248
05:40:42,638 --> 05:40:45,120
you prefer?" He says, "The data center."

8249
05:40:45,120 --> 05:40:46,958
Um, I hate the beeps that I hear from

8250
05:40:46,958 --> 05:40:50,480
the Amazon distribution center. So, I I

8251
05:40:50,480 --> 05:40:52,718
asked him as well, this is right in your

8252
05:40:52,718 --> 05:40:54,400
backyard. Do you ever hear anything? He

8253
05:40:54,400 --> 05:40:56,160
says, I never hear anything. Even at

8254
05:40:56,160 --> 05:40:57,760
night when the windows are open, I don't

8255
05:40:57,760 --> 05:41:00,958
hear it. Next door, uh, the guy let me

8256
05:41:00,958 --> 05:41:02,798
in. He was actually nice enough to take

8257
05:41:02,798 --> 05:41:04,320
me through his house, show me the

8258
05:41:04,320 --> 05:41:06,958
addition that he put in the rear. He

8259
05:41:06,958 --> 05:41:08,480
said he built it himself.

8260
05:41:08,480 --> 05:41:10,240
>> Did you have a lesson? That's

8261
05:41:10,240 --> 05:41:14,558
>> We we went out back. Um, he he walked me

8262
05:41:14,558 --> 05:41:16,958
to his backyard where I could look

8263
05:41:16,958 --> 05:41:19,840
directly into the data center from his

8264
05:41:19,840 --> 05:41:21,600
backyard.

8265
05:41:21,600 --> 05:41:24,080
First thing I noticed was the noise. It

8266
05:41:24,080 --> 05:41:26,240
was extremely loud, but then when the

8267
05:41:26,240 --> 05:41:27,920
neighbor next door on the other side of

8268
05:41:27,920 --> 05:41:30,000
the fence turned off his lawn mower, it

8269
05:41:30,000 --> 05:41:33,840
got quiet. Um, next thing I noticed was

8270
05:41:33,840 --> 05:41:36,320
the awful smell, but then I realized he

8271
05:41:36,320 --> 05:41:38,320
just lit up a Cuban and that's what I

8272
05:41:38,320 --> 05:41:40,958
was smelling. Um, that was the noxious

8273
05:41:40,958 --> 05:41:43,280
odor. I asked him, I said, "How long

8274
05:41:43,280 --> 05:41:44,400
have you been here?" He says, "I've been

8275
05:41:44,400 --> 05:41:46,400
here for for years." I says, "Have you

8276
05:41:46,400 --> 05:41:49,200
ever noticed any noises,

8277
05:41:49,200 --> 05:41:52,240
any sounds, any hums, any high pitch,

8278
05:41:52,240 --> 05:41:53,840
anything from the data center?" He says,

8279
05:41:53,840 --> 05:41:56,320
"The only time I ever heard a noise

8280
05:41:56,320 --> 05:41:58,240
coming from the data center was while it

8281
05:41:58,240 --> 05:42:00,240
was under construction. After

8282
05:42:00,240 --> 05:42:02,000
construction was finished, I've not

8283
05:42:02,000 --> 05:42:04,240
heard anything from it." Same

8284
05:42:04,240 --> 05:42:06,400
complaints. He he doesn't like the

8285
05:42:06,400 --> 05:42:08,718
residential that's being built. Uh, but

8286
05:42:08,718 --> 05:42:10,400
as far as concerns about the data

8287
05:42:10,400 --> 05:42:13,760
center, he had none. I knocked doors for

8288
05:42:13,760 --> 05:42:17,760
an hour. There was not one resident that

8289
05:42:17,760 --> 05:42:20,320
I spoke with that had a concern about

8290
05:42:20,320 --> 05:42:22,878
living next to the data center. That was

8291
05:42:22,878 --> 05:42:25,920
my firsthand experience. So, doesn't

8292
05:42:25,920 --> 05:42:27,920
mean I have don't have any more

8293
05:42:27,920 --> 05:42:30,400
questions. I've got a million questions,

8294
05:42:30,400 --> 05:42:33,920
but I want the residents to know that I

8295
05:42:33,920 --> 05:42:35,920
take this serious and I'm doing my

8296
05:42:35,920 --> 05:42:37,680
homework because like the mayor said,

8297
05:42:37,680 --> 05:42:40,320
none of us want to put something in

8298
05:42:40,320 --> 05:42:41,760
Spanish Fork that's going to be a

8299
05:42:41,760 --> 05:42:44,718
detriment to the people that live here.

8300
05:42:44,718 --> 05:42:46,400
>> So, thank you, mayor. That was probably

8301
05:42:46,400 --> 05:42:47,520
longer than it needed to be.

8302
05:42:47,520 --> 05:42:48,080
>> That was good.

8303
05:42:48,080 --> 05:42:49,520
>> Thank you for doing that.

8304
05:42:49,520 --> 05:42:54,480
>> That was good. I will tell you as the as the resident uh Stacy's got to

8305
05:42:54,480 --> 05:42:56,638
say something too, but the the the the

8306
05:42:56,638 --> 05:42:59,280
resident that grew up here uh and grew

8307
05:42:59,280 --> 05:43:02,638
up here when there was a powder Trojan

8308
05:43:02,638 --> 05:43:04,400
powder plant across the highway from

8309
05:43:04,400 --> 05:43:07,040
this uh that tested explosives. That's

8310
05:43:07,040 --> 05:43:08,558
what used to be at the mouth of Spanish

8311
05:43:08,558 --> 05:43:10,958
Fort Canyon. Um

8312
05:43:10,958 --> 05:43:11,840
>> that was loud.

8313
05:43:11,840 --> 05:43:12,558
>> It was loud.

8314
05:43:12,558 --> 05:43:13,200
>> That was a little loud.

8315
05:43:13,200 --> 05:43:15,360
>> It was loud. Um it used to be loud up

8316
05:43:15,360 --> 05:43:17,440
there. where there's cracks in in

8317
05:43:17,440 --> 05:43:20,080
people's uh floors because of some of

8318
05:43:20,080 --> 05:43:21,440
those explosions getting a little bit of

8319
05:43:21,440 --> 05:43:23,200
out of hand. That was probably John

8320
05:43:23,200 --> 05:43:24,798
Mendenhal putting a little bit too much

8321
05:43:24,798 --> 05:43:27,440
powder in the keg at Trojan Powder. But

8322
05:43:27,440 --> 05:43:30,958
uh um the wild the the the environmental

8323
05:43:30,958 --> 05:43:32,558
aspects of up there again that's where I

8324
05:43:32,558 --> 05:43:35,680
grew up as a kid. Um

8325
05:43:35,680 --> 05:43:38,320
you would think it would decimate the

8326
05:43:38,320 --> 05:43:40,240
wildlife when you built the distribution

8327
05:43:40,240 --> 05:43:43,040
center. Um the deer and elk and

8328
05:43:43,040 --> 05:43:45,040
everything else are pretty hardy and

8329
05:43:45,040 --> 05:43:46,638
then pretty smart. They do come down to

8330
05:43:46,638 --> 05:43:48,240
that river to drink and then they know

8331
05:43:48,240 --> 05:43:50,240
that they're pretty protected by some of

8332
05:43:50,240 --> 05:43:52,878
these facilities. And so that's the

8333
05:43:52,878 --> 05:43:55,040
place they're not getting shot versus up

8334
05:43:55,040 --> 05:43:57,280
on the mountain where you can hunt. You

8335
05:43:57,280 --> 05:43:59,280
can't hunt inside these private

8336
05:43:59,280 --> 05:44:02,240
facilities that are fenced off. And so

8337
05:44:02,240 --> 05:44:04,558
if you want to look at some decentsized

8338
05:44:04,558 --> 05:44:06,958
deer and elk, golf on the golf course,

8339
05:44:06,958 --> 05:44:08,958
look across the way. I don't think

8340
05:44:08,958 --> 05:44:10,480
that's going to change with this center

8341
05:44:10,480 --> 05:44:11,680
either. You're going to be able to see

8342
05:44:11,680 --> 05:44:13,440
some wildlife

8343
05:44:13,440 --> 05:44:15,600
uh that uh that are usually pretty

8344
05:44:15,600 --> 05:44:18,080
protected because you can't you can't go

8345
05:44:18,080 --> 05:44:19,280
hunt them there. You have to go up on

8346
05:44:19,280 --> 05:44:21,440
the on the mountain to catch them. So,

8347
05:44:21,440 --> 05:44:24,480
sorry that was my wildlife speech.

8348
05:44:24,480 --> 05:44:26,240
>> I feel like I'm the last speaker before

8349
05:44:26,240 --> 05:44:27,680
lunch or dinner and they're like just

8350
05:44:27,680 --> 05:44:28,958
hurry up and let's get out of here.

8351
05:44:28,958 --> 05:44:29,680
>> I have more.

8352
05:44:29,680 --> 05:44:30,558
>> You do not.

8353
05:44:30,558 --> 05:44:31,920
>> Okay, never mind. I don't.

8354
05:44:31,920 --> 05:44:35,920
>> Okay. My question is back to a number,

8355
05:44:35,920 --> 05:44:38,798
Jeff, that I think in your meeting, I

8356
05:44:38,798 --> 05:44:40,400
mean, in your presentation before the

8357
05:44:40,400 --> 05:44:43,040
public hearing, you said that the heat

8358
05:44:43,040 --> 05:44:46,480
got up to 90, excuse me, nine degrees

8359
05:44:46,480 --> 05:44:49,920
and I thought I had heard five before

8360
05:44:49,920 --> 05:44:51,600
and then by the time it's a quarter of a

8361
05:44:51,600 --> 05:44:53,440
mile, there's nothing. Can you just

8362
05:44:53,440 --> 05:45:00,638
confirm numbers with the heat? Yeah, our current uh study indicates that at

8363
05:45:00,638 --> 05:45:02,240
max

8364
05:45:02,240 --> 05:45:04,480
on property

8365
05:45:04,480 --> 05:45:07,840
uh heat, so this would be a day where

8366
05:45:07,840 --> 05:45:10,480
maybe there's less wind

8367
05:45:10,480 --> 05:45:14,480
um that we may experience 9 degrees of

8368
05:45:14,480 --> 05:45:20,958
onpropy increase. And then um our our

8369
05:45:20,958 --> 05:45:25,680
studies indicate that the the decay of

8370
05:45:25,680 --> 05:45:29,360
that heat, you know, with within

8371
05:45:29,360 --> 05:45:32,638
um before a half mile,

8372
05:45:32,638 --> 05:45:37,680
uh you will be less than one degree max

8373
05:45:37,680 --> 05:45:39,280
of

8374
05:45:39,280 --> 05:45:42,878
um you know incremental additional heat

8375
05:45:42,878 --> 05:45:47,600
because of our property. that that is um

8376
05:45:47,600 --> 05:45:50,320
yeah that that's the latest number that

8377
05:45:50,320 --> 05:45:51,440
we work with.

8378
05:45:51,440 --> 05:45:52,638
>> Okay.

8379
05:45:52,638 --> 05:45:55,360
>> From our our research and and third

8380
05:45:55,360 --> 05:45:56,480
party studies.

8381
05:45:56,480 --> 05:45:59,280
>> Okay. Okay. That's helpful. Thank you.

8382
05:45:59,280 --> 05:46:02,080
Um just yeah all my other questions were

8383
05:46:02,080 --> 05:46:03,920
answered by everyone else up here. When

8384
05:46:03,920 --> 05:46:05,920
I was up there yesterday we were having

8385
05:46:05,920 --> 05:46:08,480
conversations just walking around and I

8386
05:46:08,480 --> 05:46:11,920
was amazed that I I I I was so engaged

8387
05:46:11,920 --> 05:46:13,520
in conversation. And I didn't realize

8388
05:46:13,520 --> 05:46:15,520
the bloom cell was just really right

8389
05:46:15,520 --> 05:46:18,160
there until someone I think it was Seth,

8390
05:46:18,160 --> 05:46:20,000
of course. Can you hear that? And I'm

8391
05:46:20,000 --> 05:46:21,440
like, "What?" And he's like, "Those are

8392
05:46:21,440 --> 05:46:23,040
the cells." I I didn't even know we were

8393
05:46:23,040 --> 05:46:24,320
standing right by them.

8394
05:46:24,320 --> 05:46:24,718
>> Yes.

8395
05:46:24,718 --> 05:46:27,600
>> And then the company to the east,

8396
05:46:27,600 --> 05:46:29,200
whatever they were doing, they were on a

8397
05:46:29,200 --> 05:46:31,680
forklift and someone dropped someone and

8398
05:46:31,680 --> 05:46:33,440
it dinged and I think we all looked

8399
05:46:33,440 --> 05:46:35,920
over. Like it was shocking. A diesel

8400
05:46:35,920 --> 05:46:38,798
truck drove through Nova's parking lot.

8401
05:46:38,798 --> 05:46:41,200
We had to stop talking. Like it was

8402
05:46:41,200 --> 05:46:44,080
really interesting how acute we were to

8403
05:46:44,080 --> 05:46:46,718
like all the exterior noises around us.

8404
05:46:46,718 --> 05:46:48,958
Um a big diesel was out on the main road

8405
05:46:48,958 --> 05:46:51,360
driving that was so loud. But where we

8406
05:46:51,360 --> 05:46:53,120
were standing,

8407
05:46:53,120 --> 05:46:56,878
the noise does not concern me. But I

8408
05:46:56,878 --> 05:46:58,480
think it's really important to still do

8409
05:46:58,480 --> 05:47:01,040
th those independent studies and all

8410
05:47:01,040 --> 05:47:03,760
those other things that one of the

8411
05:47:03,760 --> 05:47:05,600
residents were mentioning to make sure

8412
05:47:05,600 --> 05:47:08,080
that we don't have those high pitched or

8413
05:47:08,080 --> 05:47:10,558
low pitched or tonal sounds or whatever

8414
05:47:10,558 --> 05:47:11,760
they're saying that we just need to be

8415
05:47:11,760 --> 05:47:13,120
really aware that residents aren't

8416
05:47:13,120 --> 05:47:15,600
affected by those. Yeah, there there are

8417
05:47:15,600 --> 05:47:17,200
um

8418
05:47:17,200 --> 05:47:21,040
these sort of um

8419
05:47:21,040 --> 05:47:22,958
disproportionate

8420
05:47:22,958 --> 05:47:27,600
uh comparables that are that are real.

8421
05:47:27,600 --> 05:47:29,840
Uh, for example,

8422
05:47:29,840 --> 05:47:35,040
if a data center is built near a rural

8423
05:47:35,040 --> 05:47:38,958
community with 5,000 people and no real

8424
05:47:38,958 --> 05:47:40,558
industry

8425
05:47:40,558 --> 05:47:42,638
before that data center shows up, that

8426
05:47:42,638 --> 05:47:45,040
is a beautiful place where you probably

8427
05:47:45,040 --> 05:47:47,760
will step outside at night and it will

8428
05:47:47,760 --> 05:47:51,200
be almost silent where you will have 20

8429
05:47:51,200 --> 05:47:54,638
30 dB. That's why we love these these

8430
05:47:54,638 --> 05:47:57,600
places. But when you build a data center

8431
05:47:57,600 --> 05:48:01,280
there where there is no additional or

8432
05:48:01,280 --> 05:48:03,760
existing industrial

8433
05:48:03,760 --> 05:48:07,520
uh ambient noise and there are no other

8434
05:48:07,520 --> 05:48:11,760
structures to offset the noise from that

8435
05:48:11,760 --> 05:48:15,280
facility and you combine it with a

8436
05:48:15,280 --> 05:48:18,080
developer who's using

8437
05:48:18,080 --> 05:48:23,040
uh antiquated equipment with no

8438
05:48:23,040 --> 05:48:25,760
governance, no

8439
05:48:25,760 --> 05:48:27,760
oversight. So, they're running diesel

8440
05:48:27,760 --> 05:48:30,798
generators and they're a bunch of fans

8441
05:48:30,798 --> 05:48:32,400
and

8442
05:48:32,400 --> 05:48:35,440
yeah, that that is the scenario where

8443
05:48:35,440 --> 05:48:39,600
these folks are really suffering, but

8444
05:48:39,600 --> 05:48:44,320
it's not in any way uh an appropriate or

8445
05:48:44,320 --> 05:48:45,920
comparable

8446
05:48:45,920 --> 05:48:49,040
uh against what these modern data

8447
05:48:49,040 --> 05:48:52,718
centers uh can do. and uh the amount of

8448
05:48:52,718 --> 05:48:56,638
oversight and being dropped into maybe

8449
05:48:56,638 --> 05:48:59,760
an existing industrial area where uh

8450
05:48:59,760 --> 05:49:01,440
you're every day you're already sitting

8451
05:49:01,440 --> 05:49:05,600
at 50 50 dB. So that's why you can get

8452
05:49:05,600 --> 05:49:09,760
this um disproportionate reaction to

8453
05:49:09,760 --> 05:49:13,040
data centers um because there are

8454
05:49:13,040 --> 05:49:17,120
scenarios where they're just really bad you know and the analogy I

8455
05:49:17,120 --> 05:49:18,718
you know just like when we our old

8456
05:49:18,718 --> 05:49:21,760
vehicles my mom's old Volvo you know

8457
05:49:21,760 --> 05:49:23,680
driving around who knows what emissions

8458
05:49:23,680 --> 05:49:25,680
that thing was putting out you know

8459
05:49:25,680 --> 05:49:28,878
compared to her now driving a hybrid a

8460
05:49:28,878 --> 05:49:31,760
hybrid vehicle you know and so these it

8461
05:49:31,760 --> 05:49:38,000
is true that these technologies have progressed. So that's why uh

8462
05:49:38,000 --> 05:49:40,958
genuinely we we

8463
05:49:40,958 --> 05:49:45,840
I am um absolutely confident that and

8464
05:49:45,840 --> 05:49:48,160
this doesn't you know this is not I'm

8465
05:49:48,160 --> 05:49:50,878
not the the point of decision here but I

8466
05:49:50,878 --> 05:49:53,760
just I know unequivocally

8467
05:49:53,760 --> 05:49:55,440
that our experiences are going to be the

8468
05:49:55,440 --> 05:49:56,958
same as what we're finding by just

8469
05:49:56,958 --> 05:49:59,920
knocking on doors and Nova is not as

8470
05:49:59,920 --> 05:50:04,240
dynamic a design as ours. they have uh a

8471
05:50:04,240 --> 05:50:07,120
variety of of power gen systems on there

8472
05:50:07,120 --> 05:50:09,120
out there that are not as dynamic as

8473
05:50:09,120 --> 05:50:12,480
ours. So, I'm confident that you know my

8474
05:50:12,480 --> 05:50:14,240
if my daughter is still here, she is

8475
05:50:14,240 --> 05:50:16,558
still here. I haven't said it once. This

8476
05:50:16,558 --> 05:50:21,040
is Allison. Um and we can see this

8477
05:50:21,040 --> 05:50:22,638
property from from her house in

8478
05:50:22,638 --> 05:50:26,240
Mapleton. Uh our our two granddaughters

8479
05:50:26,240 --> 05:50:29,440
are there, her daughters are there. Um,

8480
05:50:29,440 --> 05:50:32,000
and just this weekend we had, you know,

8481
05:50:32,000 --> 05:50:34,320
we had a a birthday party and we could

8482
05:50:34,320 --> 05:50:36,958
see the windmills were in eyesot of of

8483
05:50:36,958 --> 05:50:41,360
this. Uh, we're testing decibb. Um, I am

8484
05:50:41,360 --> 05:50:44,638
confident that she and her neighbors and

8485
05:50:44,638 --> 05:50:48,160
the new edge homes are going to have an

8486
05:50:48,160 --> 05:50:51,520
experience that is quite uneventful as

8487
05:50:51,520 --> 05:50:52,958
it relates to our being in their

8488
05:50:52,958 --> 05:50:56,628
backyard.

8489
05:50:56,638 --> 05:50:59,750
» Thank you.

8490
05:50:59,760 --> 05:51:03,040
May I maybe adding to Kevin's experience

8491
05:51:03,040 --> 05:51:04,480
as he was talking to those neighbors. It

8492
05:51:04,480 --> 05:51:05,680
was really eye opening for me to see

8493
05:51:05,680 --> 05:51:08,320
those houses. I in some of the public

8494
05:51:08,320 --> 05:51:11,680
open houses public in some of the open

8495
05:51:11,680 --> 05:51:14,638
houses that this group had last week

8496
05:51:14,638 --> 05:51:17,040
residents expressed concerns about

8497
05:51:17,040 --> 05:51:19,120
property values. Tonight I took some

8498
05:51:19,120 --> 05:51:20,480
notes and a handful of people expressed

8499
05:51:20,480 --> 05:51:22,638
concerns about property values. So,

8500
05:51:22,638 --> 05:51:23,840
knowing that there were houses right

8501
05:51:23,840 --> 05:51:25,680
next door to this, I went I went and did

8502
05:51:25,680 --> 05:51:28,878
some online research and I think Zillow

8503
05:51:28,878 --> 05:51:30,718
is

8504
05:51:30,718 --> 05:51:32,638
as reliable as Zillow is. It's, you

8505
05:51:32,638 --> 05:51:34,718
know, a standard that it's applicable

8506
05:51:34,718 --> 05:51:36,798
anywhere. It's it's as good as it is

8507
05:51:36,798 --> 05:51:41,520
here or there. So, I went and looked at a number of homes in that area to see

8508
05:51:41,520 --> 05:51:43,920
their property values. The homes in that

8509
05:51:43,920 --> 05:51:45,920
area started to be constructed in 2015.

8510
05:51:45,920 --> 05:51:48,400
The data center went in in 2020. I think

8511
05:51:48,400 --> 05:51:50,320
it was fully I think it was the first

8512
05:51:50,320 --> 05:51:52,558
building was operational probably in 21

8513
05:51:52,558 --> 05:51:57,840
and then as Kevin said they've added two more since and I went and pulled

8514
05:51:57,840 --> 05:52:02,080
some data from Spanish Fork homes um in

8515
05:52:02,080 --> 05:52:04,080
town with relative proximity to the

8516
05:52:04,080 --> 05:52:06,400
site. So Jordan, if you'd pull that up.

8517
05:52:06,400 --> 05:52:09,920
These are just two graphs. Um there it's

8518
05:52:09,920 --> 05:52:11,280
kind of interesting. Sorry the numbers

8519
05:52:11,280 --> 05:52:13,600
are a little bit actually the numbers

8520
05:52:13,600 --> 05:52:17,120
are really not that relative. What's I think really interesting is to

8521
05:52:17,120 --> 05:52:18,638
see the graphs themselves. So the one

8522
05:52:18,638 --> 05:52:20,878
that you can see

8523
05:52:20,878 --> 05:52:23,520
um there that shows the the value of one

8524
05:52:23,520 --> 05:52:25,440
of the homes in West Jordan. So zip code

8525
05:52:25,440 --> 05:52:27,280
84081

8526
05:52:27,280 --> 05:52:30,400
I think. Um and you can see that in 20 I

8527
05:52:30,400 --> 05:52:32,958
think the first hash mark is 2018. Is

8528
05:52:32,958 --> 05:52:35,360
that right Jordan?

8529
05:52:35,360 --> 05:52:37,680
>> Um don't Oh, you don't have it in the

8530
05:52:37,680 --> 05:52:40,080
screen in front of you. Okay. So I So

8531
05:52:40,080 --> 05:52:41,680
you can see that the house here

8532
05:52:41,680 --> 05:52:43,600
experienced the same market increase

8533
05:52:43,600 --> 05:52:52,240
that we all did in 202021 with a peak in the um sometime in 2022. And then you

8534
05:52:52,240 --> 05:52:54,638
see kind of this jagged I'm not sure if

8535
05:52:54,638 --> 05:52:56,160
I want to go up or down for the next

8536
05:52:56,160 --> 05:52:57,840
four years that we've been experiencing

8537
05:52:57,840 --> 05:53:00,320
I think all across our houses. If you

8538
05:53:00,320 --> 05:53:01,760
scroll down just a little bit so you can

8539
05:53:01,760 --> 05:53:03,440
see the graph of a house in Spanish

8540
05:53:03,440 --> 05:53:06,080
Fork, you can see it has a very similar

8541
05:53:06,080 --> 05:53:07,840
trajectory, right? It has this rapid

8542
05:53:07,840 --> 05:53:11,280
growth in 20 21 with a peak. We have

8543
05:53:11,280 --> 05:53:12,558
kind of a weird peak at least on this

8544
05:53:12,558 --> 05:53:15,520
property in 20 sometime in 21 and then a

8545
05:53:15,520 --> 05:53:17,040
valley and then it goes it has that peak

8546
05:53:17,040 --> 05:53:19,360
in 22 and then a drop and then it has

8547
05:53:19,360 --> 05:53:24,240
that kind of jagged up uptick. Um,

8548
05:53:24,240 --> 05:53:25,600
if you look at both of those graphs

8549
05:53:25,600 --> 05:53:27,840
together, it's fascinating that these

8550
05:53:27,840 --> 05:53:29,440
two properties, and I didn't handpick, I

8551
05:53:29,440 --> 05:53:30,878
just had to take a picture of some that

8552
05:53:30,878 --> 05:53:33,920
I was looking at, but you can do your

8553
05:53:33,920 --> 05:53:36,080
own. This is all just public information

8554
05:53:36,080 --> 05:53:38,400
on Zillow, right? Look at your house,

8555
05:53:38,400 --> 05:53:40,080
look at its graph, and compare it to

8556
05:53:40,080 --> 05:53:42,000
some of the neighborhoods by this by

8557
05:53:42,000 --> 05:53:43,600
this project. It was really fascinating

8558
05:53:43,600 --> 05:53:46,878
for me to see that that the peak, if

8559
05:53:46,878 --> 05:53:48,160
you'll scroll just a little bit back to

8560
05:53:48,160 --> 05:53:49,920
the West Jordan home, that the peaks

8561
05:53:49,920 --> 05:53:52,160
came as the data center was was opening

8562
05:53:52,160 --> 05:53:55,120
and and the valleys, you know, you might

8563
05:53:55,120 --> 05:53:56,718
say, "Oh, that's that had an impact on

8564
05:53:56,718 --> 05:53:58,958
the house." Well, you scroll down nonP

8565
05:53:58,958 --> 05:54:00,638
non-data center, Spanish fork, it was

8566
05:54:00,638 --> 05:54:03,600
the exact same valley, just what the

8567
05:54:03,600 --> 05:54:05,760
markets were experiencing. Again, this

8568
05:54:05,760 --> 05:54:08,878
is not data for all circumstances.

8569
05:54:08,878 --> 05:54:10,878
to use the new word of the day for the

8570
05:54:10,878 --> 05:54:13,840
mayor um for at least today in six

8571
05:54:13,840 --> 05:54:15,600
minutes we can choose a new word but

8572
05:54:15,600 --> 05:54:17,280
empirical so it's not necessarily

8573
05:54:17,280 --> 05:54:19,040
empirical right but it was fascinating

8574
05:54:19,040 --> 05:54:20,400
for me and and we'll probably continue

8575
05:54:20,400 --> 05:54:22,320
to do some of this research

8576
05:54:22,320 --> 05:54:24,080
>> it's again publicly available but it's

8577
05:54:24,080 --> 05:54:25,680
interesting because I think if you have

8578
05:54:25,680 --> 05:54:27,920
a concern about the home values like

8579
05:54:27,920 --> 05:54:29,520
looking at this from a place that's real

8580
05:54:29,520 --> 05:54:35,200
and is experiencing something today and frankly if you go back to that map

8581
05:54:35,200 --> 05:54:37,280
>> like it's it's surrounded on three sides

8582
05:54:37,280 --> 05:54:40,480
by growing industrial like it was not

8583
05:54:40,480 --> 05:54:42,320
it's if you go back and you can't on

8584
05:54:42,320 --> 05:54:47,280
this map, but if you go back on Google Maps, sorry, Google Earth, you

8585
05:54:47,280 --> 05:54:49,200
can you can do some historical images.

8586
05:54:49,200 --> 05:54:50,878
And this was a neighborhood out in a

8587
05:54:50,878 --> 05:54:52,798
field like the guy like that guy was

8588
05:54:52,798 --> 05:54:53,440
saying,

8589
05:54:53,440 --> 05:54:55,840
>> that that same guy was not happy because

8590
05:54:55,840 --> 05:54:58,240
his realtor that sold him the home

8591
05:54:58,240 --> 05:54:59,760
promised him and told him that the

8592
05:54:59,760 --> 05:55:01,440
property across the street would be

8593
05:55:01,440 --> 05:55:02,000
residential.

8594
05:55:02,000 --> 05:55:04,080
>> Don't believe realtors. No, that's not

8595
05:55:04,080 --> 05:55:06,798
true. But like, yeah, they they must

8596
05:55:06,798 --> 05:55:08,320
have had a shift in in where they were

8597
05:55:08,320 --> 05:55:09,920
headed, right? But it's got a lot of

8598
05:55:09,920 --> 05:55:12,718
industrial around it and those those

8599
05:55:12,718 --> 05:55:15,440
homes have held their value. So,

8600
05:55:15,440 --> 05:55:17,120
>> empirical evidence is that when I was

8601
05:55:17,120 --> 05:55:19,280
elected mayor, we had our best home

8602
05:55:19,280 --> 05:55:20,958
value increase.

8603
05:55:20,958 --> 05:55:22,798
>> That's a fact. Okay,

8604
05:55:22,798 --> 05:55:23,680
>> fair enough.

8605
05:55:23,680 --> 05:55:25,200
>> Mayor, I know it's getting late, but I

8606
05:55:25,200 --> 05:55:28,000
would love to report on another homework

8607
05:55:28,000 --> 05:55:30,480
assignment that I did in regards to

8608
05:55:30,480 --> 05:55:33,040
this. So, I emailed the mayor and city

8609
05:55:33,040 --> 05:55:36,000
council of West Jordan. And to go back

8610
05:55:36,000 --> 05:55:39,360
to the point of not every two data

8611
05:55:39,360 --> 05:55:41,840
centers are the same. Um, Eagle

8612
05:55:41,840 --> 05:55:43,280
Mountain, they're struggling with some

8613
05:55:43,280 --> 05:55:44,558
of the things that they chose to do with

8614
05:55:44,558 --> 05:55:46,240
their data center and they're facing

8615
05:55:46,240 --> 05:55:49,680
some serious property tax increases in

8616
05:55:49,680 --> 05:55:52,080
their city. Some of that's related to

8617
05:55:52,080 --> 05:55:54,480
subsidies and whatever that they chose

8618
05:55:54,480 --> 05:55:56,080
to do with the data centers that came to

8619
05:55:56,080 --> 05:55:59,440
Eagle Mountain. West Jordan did not

8620
05:55:59,440 --> 05:56:02,480
choose to go that route and give they've

8621
05:56:02,480 --> 05:56:04,958
got two large data centers, not just the

8622
05:56:04,958 --> 05:56:06,958
NOVA, but they've got a second one as

8623
05:56:06,958 --> 05:56:09,520
well. They did not give them discounts

8624
05:56:09,520 --> 05:56:12,958
and subsidies. Um, each of the council

8625
05:56:12,958 --> 05:56:14,878
members and mayor that responded back to

8626
05:56:14,878 --> 05:56:18,080
me all said that they are are glad that

8627
05:56:18,080 --> 05:56:20,240
they've got the data centers in their

8628
05:56:20,240 --> 05:56:24,080
cities. Um, one of the individuals whose

8629
05:56:24,080 --> 05:56:27,760
precinct or area the data center resides

8630
05:56:27,760 --> 05:56:30,000
in his area said that he's never

8631
05:56:30,000 --> 05:56:32,558
received an email complaint from any

8632
05:56:32,558 --> 05:56:35,360
residents concerning the data centers

8633
05:56:35,360 --> 05:56:39,280
specifically. Um, another um, council

8634
05:56:39,280 --> 05:56:43,920
member shared with me that

8635
05:56:43,920 --> 05:56:45,760
let's see, we're living in today in our

8636
05:56:45,760 --> 05:56:47,920
city, we have two large centers, Aligned

8637
05:56:47,920 --> 05:56:50,480
Energy and Nova. They're also the top

8638
05:56:50,480 --> 05:56:53,280
two property tax entities and she shared

8639
05:56:53,280 --> 05:56:57,360
with me the top 10 taxing entities in

8640
05:56:57,360 --> 05:57:01,600
West Jordan. Aligned has a 2025 taxable

8641
05:57:01,600 --> 05:57:05,040
value of 416 million.

8642
05:57:05,040 --> 05:57:09,440
NOVA has a taxable value of 401 million.

8643
05:57:09,440 --> 05:57:12,798
The third one is half of those and the

8644
05:57:12,798 --> 05:57:19,920
fourth one is half of that. And so they are definitely substantial taxing

8645
05:57:19,920 --> 05:57:22,638
entities in a city they reside. Just

8646
05:57:22,638 --> 05:57:25,040
wanted to share that.

8647
05:57:25,040 --> 05:57:26,080
>> Mr. Mayor.

8648
05:57:26,080 --> 05:57:27,680
>> Yes.

8649
05:57:27,680 --> 05:57:29,600
>> Uh just to acknowledge some things that

8650
05:57:29,600 --> 05:57:32,718
have been said about taxable value and

8651
05:57:32,718 --> 05:57:34,878
depreciation. I feel like I just want to

8652
05:57:34,878 --> 05:57:38,718
say that's real. Uh we understand that

8653
05:57:38,718 --> 05:57:41,440
there's a schedule for that. uh that

8654
05:57:41,440 --> 05:57:44,160
varies from one type of personal

8655
05:57:44,160 --> 05:57:47,120
property to another. And yeah, that

8656
05:57:47,120 --> 05:57:48,400
being said, I appreciate the numbers

8657
05:57:48,400 --> 05:57:50,160
that Jeff has shared. I understand the

8658
05:57:50,160 --> 05:57:52,638
rationale and the logic and I think that

8659
05:57:52,638 --> 05:57:54,718
holds true at least for year one. But we

8660
05:57:54,718 --> 05:57:58,798
understand that the taxable value for

8661
05:57:58,798 --> 05:58:00,400
what we're talking about here likely

8662
05:58:00,400 --> 05:58:04,240
would not be consistent year overyear.

8663
05:58:04,240 --> 05:58:07,520
That like Jeff described um a really

8664
05:58:07,520 --> 05:58:14,240
expensive part of having a center. the CPUs, GPUs, whatever it is, the

8665
05:58:14,240 --> 05:58:17,120
computation equipment in the building

8666
05:58:17,120 --> 05:58:19,760
that depreciates rather quickly over a

8667
05:58:19,760 --> 05:58:22,000
five or six year period of time. We also

8668
05:58:22,000 --> 05:58:23,200
understand that typically that

8669
05:58:23,200 --> 05:58:26,480
equipment's replaced um pretty rapidly

8670
05:58:26,480 --> 05:58:29,760
on a fairly regular schedule. Um

8671
05:58:29,760 --> 05:58:32,480
therefore, when that's replaced, that

8672
05:58:32,480 --> 05:58:35,600
value then goes back to full freight and

8673
05:58:35,600 --> 05:58:38,000
so forth. So, um, should this move

8674
05:58:38,000 --> 05:58:39,040
forward,

8675
05:58:39,040 --> 05:58:40,638
>> I think that's something that we'd we'd

8676
05:58:40,638 --> 05:58:42,320
need to come up with a process to

8677
05:58:42,320 --> 05:58:44,320
monitor and yeah, take into account as

8678
05:58:44,320 --> 05:58:46,080
we try to predict what that revenue

8679
05:58:46,080 --> 05:58:46,798
would look like.

8680
05:58:46,798 --> 05:58:48,718
>> This council member Dave, to your point,

8681
05:58:48,718 --> 05:58:50,718
she shared with me a recent article from

8682
05:58:50,718 --> 05:58:54,000
KSL talking about that exact thing with

8683
05:58:54,000 --> 05:58:57,040
data centers, the depreciation and and

8684
05:58:57,040 --> 05:58:59,760
the changes, the fluctuations that take

8685
05:58:59,760 --> 05:59:01,840
place with the with the property tax

8686
05:59:01,840 --> 05:59:04,480
rates. Um, she said this would be an

8687
05:59:04,480 --> 05:59:06,080
interesting read. you should read this,

8688
05:59:06,080 --> 05:59:08,958
consider it. Just for point of fact, she

8689
05:59:08,958 --> 05:59:12,000
says, "I have not seen any big swings in

8690
05:59:12,000 --> 05:59:15,040
West Jordan." So, that was her firsthand

8691
05:59:15,040 --> 05:59:17,600
experience.

8692
05:59:17,600 --> 05:59:19,680
>> Uh, to that end, I I don't think I don't

8693
05:59:19,680 --> 05:59:23,600
think it should be minimized either. And I appreciate Jeff, you you putting

8694
05:59:23,600 --> 05:59:26,798
it in in a contract mode of of moving

8695
05:59:26,798 --> 05:59:32,558
your your folks here and and and your base here. Um,

8696
05:59:32,558 --> 05:59:34,480
again, I've been served long enough on

8697
05:59:34,480 --> 05:59:36,718
this council to know that we have

8698
05:59:36,718 --> 05:59:39,520
participated in private businesses to

8699
05:59:39,520 --> 05:59:43,600
keep them in town with with tax

8700
05:59:43,600 --> 05:59:46,000
increment financing

8701
05:59:46,000 --> 05:59:49,360
that has kept or created jobs in our

8702
05:59:49,360 --> 05:59:51,760
city. And those have been in the 200

8703
05:59:51,760 --> 05:59:56,000
range of things and and the residents,

8704
05:59:56,000 --> 05:59:57,760
we're better for it as a city. I don't

8705
05:59:57,760 --> 05:59:59,840
look at any of those as a mistake. those

8706
05:59:59,840 --> 06:00:04,400
were gauged, calculated, mathed to to

8707
06:00:04,400 --> 06:00:06,718
where it was better for the city to do

8708
06:00:06,718 --> 06:00:10,878
that. Um, so so I talked to a gentleman

8709
06:00:10,878 --> 06:00:13,680
today that reminded me that, you know, I

8710
06:00:13,680 --> 06:00:18,160
wouldn't certainly compare your your business to like Geneva, but he

8711
06:00:18,160 --> 06:00:19,760
said, you know, Geneva back in the day

8712
06:00:19,760 --> 06:00:22,958
that employed thousands of people,

8713
06:00:22,958 --> 06:00:24,638
hundreds of those people lived in our

8714
06:00:24,638 --> 06:00:26,240
town. And what do you think they did

8715
06:00:26,240 --> 06:00:28,958
every Tuesday when they were paid except

8716
06:00:28,958 --> 06:00:31,840
go to your grocery store and except buy

8717
06:00:31,840 --> 06:00:34,160
your, you know, buy your gas and

8718
06:00:34,160 --> 06:00:36,080
everything else. And so I don't think it

8719
06:00:36,080 --> 06:00:37,840
should be completely minimized either

8720
06:00:37,840 --> 06:00:40,798
that it's not just a taxing

8721
06:00:40,798 --> 06:00:44,638
>> uh strategy here, but I I I wouldn't

8722
06:00:44,638 --> 06:00:47,200
divulge the type of badges that were

8723
06:00:47,200 --> 06:00:50,480
shown at NOVA the other day, but they're

8724
06:00:50,480 --> 06:00:52,080
with companies that don't pay small

8725
06:00:52,080 --> 06:00:54,000
wages for anything. Y

8726
06:00:54,000 --> 06:00:57,200
>> and um and and you're talking about the

8727
06:00:57,200 --> 06:01:00,160
largest companies in the world. And so

8728
06:01:00,160 --> 06:01:02,558
that that dollar figure

8729
06:01:02,558 --> 06:01:04,718
coming to our city potentially is is

8730
06:01:04,718 --> 06:01:06,638
something that's different from the tax

8731
06:01:06,638 --> 06:01:08,958
as well that I don't think that he

8732
06:01:08,958 --> 06:01:11,200
thinks is just an important important

8733
06:01:11,200 --> 06:01:13,520
thing to know.

8734
06:01:13,520 --> 06:01:14,638
>> I keep going.

8735
06:01:14,638 --> 06:01:17,440
>> You can keep going. Uh or Councilwoman

8736
06:01:17,440 --> 06:01:19,040
Beck will tell you to stop.

8737
06:01:19,040 --> 06:01:19,520
>> 12:01.

8738
06:01:19,520 --> 06:01:22,718
>> I know it's late. I'm I'm This is really

8739
06:01:22,718 --> 06:01:26,080
my final question and it's to Von the

8740
06:01:26,080 --> 06:01:30,718
city attorney. So Von, this this is kind

8741
06:01:30,718 --> 06:01:34,080
of a big one for me. And what is what

8742
06:01:34,080 --> 06:01:37,920
are the what kind of teeth do we have in

8743
06:01:37,920 --> 06:01:41,120
Spanish Fork legally to make sure that

8744
06:01:41,120 --> 06:01:42,958
we're protected? If this wasn't Jeff

8745
06:01:42,958 --> 06:01:46,958
standing here, this was Elon Musk and he

8746
06:01:46,958 --> 06:01:48,480
had a data center that he wanted to

8747
06:01:48,480 --> 06:01:51,200
bring to Spanish Fork and he has

8748
06:01:51,200 --> 06:01:55,200
obviously unlimited funds to to fight

8749
06:01:55,200 --> 06:01:57,360
whatever battle he needs to in court

8750
06:01:57,360 --> 06:01:59,280
legally.

8751
06:01:59,280 --> 06:02:01,120
We've talked about conditional use

8752
06:02:01,120 --> 06:02:05,360
permit or uses with conditions and the

8753
06:02:05,360 --> 06:02:07,120
some have requested that it go back to

8754
06:02:07,120 --> 06:02:09,120
one or one or the other. Conditional use

8755
06:02:09,120 --> 06:02:11,600
permit is what they're asking for. What

8756
06:02:11,600 --> 06:02:15,440
kind of safety measures and security and

8757
06:02:15,440 --> 06:02:18,558
teeth do we have as a city to make sure

8758
06:02:18,558 --> 06:02:20,878
that if something were to happen and

8759
06:02:20,878 --> 06:02:27,590
this were to go to court legally that we would be okay?

8760
06:02:27,600 --> 06:02:29,520
» That's a difficult question to answer,

8761
06:02:29,520 --> 06:02:32,240
but um the development agreement that

8762
06:02:32,240 --> 06:02:34,638
we've been talking about has all those

8763
06:02:34,638 --> 06:02:36,878
remedies in them. if they breached any

8764
06:02:36,878 --> 06:02:40,958
of those those promises about water use

8765
06:02:40,958 --> 06:02:43,760
or or noise etc. There's remedies in

8766
06:02:43,760 --> 06:02:46,080
there. There's the liquidated damages.

8767
06:02:46,080 --> 06:02:48,718
There's beyond that and more importantly

8768
06:02:48,718 --> 06:02:51,120
I mentioned before is there's the

8769
06:02:51,120 --> 06:02:53,360
equitable remedies of specific

8770
06:02:53,360 --> 06:02:55,840
performance which means the court can

8771
06:02:55,840 --> 06:02:57,440
order

8772
06:02:57,440 --> 06:03:00,080
you know the breaching party to change

8773
06:03:00,080 --> 06:03:02,240
you know to do something different. the

8774
06:03:02,240 --> 06:03:04,480
court can order an injunction is it

8775
06:03:04,480 --> 06:03:05,920
could prevent them from doing something

8776
06:03:05,920 --> 06:03:08,320
that is violating the agreement. So

8777
06:03:08,320 --> 06:03:10,798
those are remedies there uh already

8778
06:03:10,798 --> 06:03:13,520
there in that agreement. Um the city

8779
06:03:13,520 --> 06:03:16,878
already has a business license ordinance

8780
06:03:16,878 --> 06:03:19,440
that says for repeated violations of the

8781
06:03:19,440 --> 06:03:22,718
zoning that applies to that ordin to

8782
06:03:22,718 --> 06:03:24,638
that business that the license can be

8783
06:03:24,638 --> 06:03:28,160
revoked after a hearing. And so there

8784
06:03:28,160 --> 06:03:31,280
are remedies that would and what he said

8785
06:03:31,280 --> 06:03:33,440
about downtime that would have a serious

8786
06:03:33,440 --> 06:03:36,240
impact um if he gets his business

8787
06:03:36,240 --> 06:03:40,240
license revoked. So there are there are

8788
06:03:40,240 --> 06:03:42,958
remedies both monetary damages plus the

8789
06:03:42,958 --> 06:03:45,840
equitable remedies plus the business

8790
06:03:45,840 --> 06:03:48,400
license revocation. There are are things

8791
06:03:48,400 --> 06:03:49,600
that are in place

8792
06:03:49,600 --> 06:03:52,160
>> and the likelihood if the if and I'm not

8793
06:03:52,160 --> 06:03:53,520
saying this would happen. I'm just

8794
06:03:53,520 --> 06:03:56,080
saying worst case scenario. If it were

8795
06:03:56,080 --> 06:03:58,080
to go to court

8796
06:03:58,080 --> 06:04:00,718
and an injunction, that's a bigger word

8797
06:04:00,718 --> 06:04:03,040
than I know at midnight. But that were

8798
06:04:03,040 --> 06:04:06,080
to be that were to take place, a judge

8799
06:04:06,080 --> 06:04:07,840
could basically say, "You guys need to

8800
06:04:07,840 --> 06:04:09,440
stop business until you take care of

8801
06:04:09,440 --> 06:04:10,160
these issues."

8802
06:04:10,160 --> 06:04:11,520
>> I don't know what they might order. He

8803
06:04:11,520 --> 06:04:13,600
might order stop doing the thing that's

8804
06:04:13,600 --> 06:04:16,240
violating the contract, like stop using

8805
06:04:16,240 --> 06:04:20,240
so much water if that's the issue or um

8806
06:04:20,240 --> 06:04:22,958
generating so much noise. And if they

8807
06:04:22,958 --> 06:04:24,958
don't stop, what would next steps be?

8808
06:04:24,958 --> 06:04:27,840
>> Then they've faced contempt of court

8809
06:04:27,840 --> 06:04:30,160
for violating the judge's order.

8810
06:04:30,160 --> 06:04:31,680
>> Is there a world in which they wouldn't

8811
06:04:31,680 --> 06:04:33,440
side with us?

8812
06:04:33,440 --> 06:04:35,440
>> Yeah, I'm sure there is. I'm not, you

8813
06:04:35,440 --> 06:04:37,280
know, I can't predict a future,

8814
06:04:37,280 --> 06:04:39,040
especially on a hypothetical like that,

8815
06:04:39,040 --> 06:04:41,520
but I mean, that's the way things work

8816
06:04:41,520 --> 06:04:44,240
in litigation. You're pursuing them for

8817
06:04:44,240 --> 06:04:45,760
breach of contract and you have the

8818
06:04:45,760 --> 06:04:48,000
remedies that the contract specifies,

8819
06:04:48,000 --> 06:04:50,080
>> but we as a city would have control over

8820
06:04:50,080 --> 06:04:51,920
the business license.

8821
06:04:51,920 --> 06:04:52,558
If we

8822
06:04:52,558 --> 06:04:54,000
>> right that would be an administrative

8823
06:04:54,000 --> 06:04:55,760
process. You know, you have to give them

8824
06:04:55,760 --> 06:04:58,638
the due process of notice and a hearing

8825
06:04:58,638 --> 06:05:01,600
and and then we have to prove that

8826
06:05:01,600 --> 06:05:03,360
they're you know the repeated violations

8827
06:05:03,360 --> 06:05:05,360
of the zoning the title 15 amendments

8828
06:05:05,360 --> 06:05:06,320
we're talking about.

8829
06:05:06,320 --> 06:05:09,120
>> Is it a monetary fine for a business to

8830
06:05:09,120 --> 06:05:11,440
function or run without a business

8831
06:05:11,440 --> 06:05:11,920
license?

8832
06:05:11,920 --> 06:05:13,680
>> There is. That's a that's a state code

8833
06:05:13,680 --> 06:05:16,080
violation. It's criminal violation. Um

8834
06:05:16,080 --> 06:05:18,400
so they can be prosecuted for that and

8835
06:05:18,400 --> 06:05:22,000
there is a fine but it's insignificant.

8836
06:05:22,000 --> 06:05:23,600
Okay.

8837
06:05:23,600 --> 06:05:26,160
Thank you.

8838
06:05:26,160 --> 06:05:28,798
>> Good questions.

8839
06:05:28,798 --> 06:05:31,120
>> Kevin, can I just ask one just came to

8840
06:05:31,120 --> 06:05:33,120
mind the legal topic? So, someone

8841
06:05:33,120 --> 06:05:35,280
earlier this evening asked about a I

8842
06:05:35,280 --> 06:05:36,958
believe it was a lawsuit that Valition's

8843
06:05:36,958 --> 06:05:39,920
currently involved in. Is that

8844
06:05:39,920 --> 06:05:41,760
>> Oh, is it Bloom? Okay.

8845
06:05:41,760 --> 06:05:44,320
>> I hadn't heard about that.

8846
06:05:44,320 --> 06:05:48,240
There's uh when a company's public,

8847
06:05:48,240 --> 06:05:51,120
you have shareholders,

8848
06:05:51,120 --> 06:05:55,200
uh investors, it's not uncommon that um

8849
06:05:55,200 --> 06:05:56,798
you know, there are entities that would

8850
06:05:56,798 --> 06:06:00,000
benefit to see a stock decrease. So, you

8851
06:06:00,000 --> 06:06:03,360
know, allegations don't always u mean

8852
06:06:03,360 --> 06:06:06,320
that they're true. You know that. And so

8853
06:06:06,320 --> 06:06:09,440
yeah, you can you can dig up litigation

8854
06:06:09,440 --> 06:06:12,718
in various stages on pretty much any any

8855
06:06:12,718 --> 06:06:14,400
public company.

8856
06:06:14,400 --> 06:06:16,240
>> Landon, just to add to that, I did look

8857
06:06:16,240 --> 06:06:17,360
into some of this.

8858
06:06:17,360 --> 06:06:17,760
>> Yeah.

8859
06:06:17,760 --> 06:06:20,400
>> A lot of the allegations that are being

8860
06:06:20,400 --> 06:06:23,600
thrown out against Bloom are individuals

8861
06:06:23,600 --> 06:06:26,480
that short stocks to try and

8862
06:06:26,480 --> 06:06:27,120
>> Wow.

8863
06:06:27,120 --> 06:06:29,600
>> to try and stock

8864
06:06:29,600 --> 06:06:30,558
>> make money.

8865
06:06:30,558 --> 06:06:35,760
>> Yeah. you try and put bad news out about about a business knowing that

8866
06:06:35,760 --> 06:06:37,920
you shorted it with the intent of trying

8867
06:06:37,920 --> 06:06:39,600
to make money off the stock market. So

8868
06:06:39,600 --> 06:06:41,280
that's what I've researched with some of

8869
06:06:41,280 --> 06:06:42,320
these should be

8870
06:06:42,320 --> 06:06:43,840
>> I'm not saying whether it's true or not.

8871
06:06:43,840 --> 06:06:45,200
I've not looked at the case. I don't

8872
06:06:45,200 --> 06:06:47,440
know all the details just from the

8873
06:06:47,440 --> 06:06:49,120
articles that I've read. Those are some

8874
06:06:49,120 --> 06:06:50,320
things that have been pointed out

8875
06:06:50,320 --> 06:06:52,240
>> that's what they're litigating. To be

8876
06:06:52,240 --> 06:06:54,480
super clear, we're not even thinking

8877
06:06:54,480 --> 06:06:56,638
about approving a technology that Jeff

8878
06:06:56,638 --> 06:06:59,680
has to use, whether it's Bloom or Bloom

8879
06:06:59,680 --> 06:07:02,000
6 or whatever. We're going to give him

8880
06:07:02,000 --> 06:07:03,440
some performance criteria he has to

8881
06:07:03,440 --> 06:07:04,080
meet. We're going to hold him

8882
06:07:04,080 --> 06:07:05,760
accountable that criteria and you're

8883
06:07:05,760 --> 06:07:07,200
going to choose the technology you need

8884
06:07:07,200 --> 06:07:08,160
to use.

8885
06:07:08,160 --> 06:07:09,680
>> We should not be weighing in on the

8886
06:07:09,680 --> 06:07:11,360
technology you should or should not use.

8887
06:07:11,360 --> 06:07:12,798
>> Right.

8888
06:07:12,798 --> 06:07:13,200
>> Yeah.

8889
06:07:13,200 --> 06:07:15,120
>> But it's late.

8890
06:07:15,120 --> 06:07:16,718
>> But you did get me nervous about some

8891
06:07:16,718 --> 06:07:18,320
lawsuit against us that I didn't know

8892
06:07:18,320 --> 06:07:20,320
about. I could have sworn somebody said

8893
06:07:20,320 --> 06:07:22,080
it was against valition. I'm sorry to

8894
06:07:22,080 --> 06:07:23,280
get you on the conversation.

8895
06:07:23,280 --> 06:07:24,320
>> Yeah.

8896
06:07:24,320 --> 06:07:25,760
>> I'm glad to hear that's not the case.

8897
06:07:25,760 --> 06:07:27,280
>> Yes. Right.

8898
06:07:27,280 --> 06:07:29,760
>> Thank you, Jeff. Appreciate you taking

8899
06:07:29,760 --> 06:07:31,840
our questions here into the wee hours of

8900
06:07:31,840 --> 06:07:35,600
the morning and and uh and and um the

8901
06:07:35,600 --> 06:07:38,080
last three days or three days last week

8902
06:07:38,080 --> 06:07:39,760
of taking questions and

8903
06:07:39,760 --> 06:07:41,920
>> and we'll continue uh asking those

8904
06:07:41,920 --> 06:07:44,240
questions and u appreciate your

8905
06:07:44,240 --> 06:07:45,120
presentation tonight.

8906
06:07:45,120 --> 06:07:46,480
>> So, it's late at night. You know how you

8907
06:07:46,480 --> 06:07:48,080
get punchy, you know, late at night.

8908
06:07:48,080 --> 06:07:49,840
Yeah.

8909
06:07:49,840 --> 06:07:54,558
Um, if you want to know the PG-13

8910
06:07:54,558 --> 06:07:57,120
number one online comment that was

8911
06:07:57,120 --> 06:07:59,120
lobbed at us, I could share it, but it's

8912
06:07:59,120 --> 06:08:00,638
it is PG-13.

8913
06:08:00,638 --> 06:08:01,200
>> It's fascinating.

8914
06:08:01,200 --> 06:08:03,280
>> We're all for it.

8915
06:08:03,280 --> 06:08:06,400
>> I think there is no rating requirements

8916
06:08:06,400 --> 06:08:07,680
after midnight.

8917
06:08:07,680 --> 06:08:09,840
>> I'm seeing some seeing some shaking of

8918
06:08:09,840 --> 06:08:11,920
heads over here like don't do it. Don't

8919
06:08:11,920 --> 06:08:16,000
do it. You can tell us offline.

8920
06:08:16,000 --> 06:08:17,520
>> Oh, you missed a good one. Okay, we'll

8921
06:08:17,520 --> 06:08:19,680
do it later.

8922
06:08:19,680 --> 06:08:21,360
>> We should remind you there are two other

8923
06:08:21,360 --> 06:08:23,120
agenda items still. So, when these guys

8924
06:08:23,120 --> 06:08:24,638
all get up and walk out, we still have

8925
06:08:24,638 --> 06:08:26,160
at least two more items to deal with

8926
06:08:26,160 --> 06:08:26,558
tonight.

8927
06:08:26,558 --> 06:08:27,200
>> Good point.

8928
06:08:27,200 --> 06:08:28,558
>> If there's someone here that wants to

8929
06:08:28,558 --> 06:08:30,320
talk about parking and has sat through

8930
06:08:30,320 --> 06:08:31,920
all of this,

8931
06:08:31,920 --> 06:08:32,958
>> the parking,

8932
06:08:32,958 --> 06:08:35,200
>> it's more the detached ADU and parking,

8933
06:08:35,200 --> 06:08:37,360
but still. Yeah.

8934
06:08:37,360 --> 06:08:39,440
>> We even have candy bars in our drawers.

8935
06:08:39,440 --> 06:08:41,200
Does anyone need chocolate before you go

8936
06:08:41,200 --> 06:08:42,480
home?

8937
06:08:42,480 --> 06:08:44,480
>> It's 12:010.

8938
06:08:44,480 --> 06:08:45,360
Everyone just go home.

8939
06:08:45,360 --> 06:08:46,958
>> Chocolate.

8940
06:08:46,958 --> 06:08:49,280
Okay. Um, we still have a couple of

8941
06:08:49,280 --> 06:08:52,240
items as Seth pointed out on the agenda.

8942
06:08:52,240 --> 06:08:54,080
>> So, we

8943
06:08:54,080 --> 06:08:56,160
>> do we want to talk about

8944
06:08:56,160 --> 06:08:57,760
>> No, we don't. But do we want to talk

8945
06:08:57,760 --> 06:09:00,718
about how we get to some resolution on

8946
06:09:00,718 --> 06:09:02,798
some title 15 stuff? Do you guys want to

8947
06:09:02,798 --> 06:09:03,680
say,

8948
06:09:03,680 --> 06:09:05,440
>> hey, did you

8949
06:09:05,440 --> 06:09:06,320
>> six hours ago?

8950
06:09:06,320 --> 06:09:07,920
>> I know you said we should talk about it,

8951
06:09:07,920 --> 06:09:09,120
but did we talk about

8952
06:09:09,120 --> 06:09:10,718
>> No, we haven't decided on what.

8953
06:09:10,718 --> 06:09:12,080
>> So, do you want to do you want to give

8954
06:09:12,080 --> 06:09:14,958
us a couple of you to come and sit down

8955
06:09:14,958 --> 06:09:17,120
with staff? Do you want staff to just

8956
06:09:17,120 --> 06:09:19,120
guess what's in your head? Uh, I'd

8957
06:09:19,120 --> 06:09:19,440
rather

8958
06:09:19,440 --> 06:09:20,638
>> I thought we said we're going to compile

8959
06:09:20,638 --> 06:09:22,240
our notes and send it to somebody.

8960
06:09:22,240 --> 06:09:23,680
>> You're going to compile your notes and

8961
06:09:23,680 --> 06:09:25,920
send it to us by when

8962
06:09:25,920 --> 06:09:27,680
>> that we did not talk about that.

8963
06:09:27,680 --> 06:09:28,878
>> Our notes.

8964
06:09:28,878 --> 06:09:31,360
>> Well, your thoughts. So, I think from

8965
06:09:31,360 --> 06:09:33,200
the public's perspective and mine, if

8966
06:09:33,200 --> 06:09:35,520
you're talking about concerns that you

8967
06:09:35,520 --> 06:09:37,840
have with title 15,

8968
06:09:37,840 --> 06:09:39,120
>> I think it would be helpful to know what

8969
06:09:39,120 --> 06:09:39,600
those are.

8970
06:09:39,600 --> 06:09:42,558
>> Yeah. So, one one of mine is is having a

8971
06:09:42,558 --> 06:09:44,718
limit of two. I would rather just start

8972
06:09:44,718 --> 06:09:46,798
with one and if we decide down the road

8973
06:09:46,798 --> 06:09:49,120
it worked well then we can change it but

8974
06:09:49,120 --> 06:09:51,200
I don't think we need to put two in the

8975
06:09:51,200 --> 06:09:52,240
condition at this point.

8976
06:09:52,240 --> 06:09:53,920
>> I will write down all my concerns with

8977
06:09:53,920 --> 06:09:56,000
title 15 by which day would you want

8978
06:09:56,000 --> 06:09:56,878
them by?

8979
06:09:56,878 --> 06:09:58,080
>> Which day can you have them to

8980
06:09:58,080 --> 06:09:59,680
>> all your concerns at title 15

8981
06:09:59,680 --> 06:10:01,680
>> in all of my title concerns.

8982
06:10:01,680 --> 06:10:02,320
>> That's a lot.

8983
06:10:02,320 --> 06:10:03,440
>> That's a big document.

8984
06:10:03,440 --> 06:10:05,440
>> I'd say 48 hours.

8985
06:10:05,440 --> 06:10:07,760
>> Okay. Dave, will you

8986
06:10:07,760 --> 06:10:09,120
>> So is that by Friday because it's

8987
06:10:09,120 --> 06:10:10,480
Wednesday now.

8988
06:10:10,480 --> 06:10:12,000
>> Okay.

8989
06:10:12,000 --> 06:10:14,480
Send them to Dave and Von and me

8990
06:10:14,480 --> 06:10:15,840
>> by the end of this week

8991
06:10:15,840 --> 06:10:17,360
>> by Wow,

8992
06:10:17,360 --> 06:10:19,840
>> it's it's Wednesday.

8993
06:10:19,840 --> 06:10:20,638
>> Exactly.

8994
06:10:20,638 --> 06:10:23,680
>> Monday A.M. is as good as Friday PM.

8995
06:10:23,680 --> 06:10:24,638
>> That is true.

8996
06:10:24,638 --> 06:10:26,160
>> Yeah. He's probably not looking at it

8997
06:10:26,160 --> 06:10:28,240
Friday at 5. So by Monday.

8998
06:10:28,240 --> 06:10:30,160
>> So Dave, Seth, and Von just send those

8999
06:10:30,160 --> 06:10:32,958
to us. We can compile those and we'll

9000
06:10:32,958 --> 06:10:34,958
give you we'll just put them together

9001
06:10:34,958 --> 06:10:36,798
and you can start to see each other's

9002
06:10:36,798 --> 06:10:37,680
comments. Okay.

9003
06:10:37,680 --> 06:10:40,080
>> Deal. If we don't hear from you by

9004
06:10:40,080 --> 06:10:43,040
Monday morning at 8 a.m. Tik Tok, the

9005
06:10:43,040 --> 06:10:44,400
game's locked. Is that

9006
06:10:44,400 --> 06:10:45,600
>> We're gonna have a conversation at

9007
06:10:45,600 --> 06:10:47,840
That's right. another one up here.

9008
06:10:47,840 --> 06:10:49,600
>> Okay. Thank you. We'll work with that.

9009
06:10:49,600 --> 06:10:52,798
>> Do you uh

9010
06:10:52,798 --> 06:10:55,280
Is it a requirement to to to table an

9011
06:10:55,280 --> 06:10:57,840
issue like this? The public hearings

9012
06:10:57,840 --> 06:10:59,120
done.

9013
06:10:59,120 --> 06:11:00,000
>> Um

9014
06:11:00,000 --> 06:11:01,520
>> Dave, you wanted you want a motion to

9015
06:11:01,520 --> 06:11:01,840
table?

9016
06:11:01,840 --> 06:11:03,760
>> I'm just used to that. Okay. So,

9017
06:11:03,760 --> 06:11:05,520
>> all right. Motion to table till

9018
06:11:05,520 --> 06:11:06,320
September one.

9019
06:11:06,320 --> 06:11:08,160
>> Yeah. If you guys that is the next

9020
06:11:08,160 --> 06:11:10,638
council meeting is September one.

9021
06:11:10,638 --> 06:11:12,798
>> So if there's somebody that want would

9022
06:11:12,798 --> 06:11:15,840
like to make a motion to that end that's

9023
06:11:15,840 --> 06:11:18,638
the next time that we would talk in the

9024
06:11:18,638 --> 06:11:21,440
public about this together.

9025
06:11:21,440 --> 06:11:25,600
>> I'll move that we table agenda items

9026
06:11:25,600 --> 06:11:30,638
item 7.3 ordinance to amend title 15

9027
06:11:30,638 --> 06:11:31,200
>> motion.

9028
06:11:31,200 --> 06:11:32,958
>> And do I need to state until when?

9029
06:11:32,958 --> 06:11:35,440
>> Yeah state that day usually likes that.

9030
06:11:35,440 --> 06:11:37,440
>> You don't have to. But just table and we

9031
06:11:37,440 --> 06:11:38,320
put on the agenda.

9032
06:11:38,320 --> 06:11:38,958
>> Okay.

9033
06:11:38,958 --> 06:11:42,320
>> Motion made by Councilman Oiler.

9034
06:11:42,320 --> 06:11:42,958
>> Second.

9035
06:11:42,958 --> 06:11:45,440
by Councilman Tuk. Uh roll call

9036
06:11:45,440 --> 06:11:47,040
vote here. Councilman Marshall?

9037
06:11:47,040 --> 06:11:47,360
>> Yes.

9038
06:11:47,360 --> 06:11:49,280
>> Councilwoman Beck. Councilman Oiler?

9039
06:11:49,280 --> 06:11:49,600
Yes.

9040
06:11:49,600 --> 06:11:51,440
>> Councilman Carden?

9041
06:11:51,440 --> 06:11:51,680
>> Yes.

9042
06:11:51,680 --> 06:11:52,638
>> And Councilman Tuk?

9043
06:11:52,638 --> 06:11:53,040
>> Yes.

9044
06:11:53,040 --> 06:11:58,080
>> Okay. Item 7.3 is tabled. Thank you.

9045
06:11:58,080 --> 06:12:00,718
>> Dave, you're taking us back to 7.1.

9046
06:12:00,718 --> 06:12:04,080
>> Detached accessory dwelling units.

9047
06:12:04,080 --> 06:12:06,320
>> That's it.

9048
06:12:06,320 --> 06:12:08,958
state law changed with the last

9049
06:12:08,958 --> 06:12:11,680
legislative session. So, we need to make

9050
06:12:11,680 --> 06:12:14,240
one slight change to title 15 relative

9051
06:12:14,240 --> 06:12:17,760
to uh the parking that's required for

9052
06:12:17,760 --> 06:12:20,718
small detached accessory dwelling units

9053
06:12:20,718 --> 06:12:23,680
or properties with small detached

9054
06:12:23,680 --> 06:12:25,520
accessory dwelling units. The proposed

9055
06:12:25,520 --> 06:12:27,680
change would would do that and bring us

9056
06:12:27,680 --> 06:12:31,040
into conformity with state code. Uh both

9057
06:12:31,040 --> 06:12:32,080
the development review committee and

9058
06:12:32,080 --> 06:12:33,200
planning commission have recommended

9059
06:12:33,200 --> 06:12:35,520
this that this be approved. Cities have

9060
06:12:35,520 --> 06:12:38,718
until the 1 of October of this year to

9061
06:12:38,718 --> 06:12:40,718
bring their zoning codes into compliance

9062
06:12:40,718 --> 06:12:42,480
with this. So if you act on it tonight,

9063
06:12:42,480 --> 06:12:45,360
we'll be well ahead of that deadline.

9064
06:12:45,360 --> 06:12:47,520
>> Questions for Dave before public hearing

9065
06:12:47,520 --> 06:12:49,680
for something that we have to clean up

9066
06:12:49,680 --> 06:12:52,160
for state code?

9067
06:12:52,160 --> 06:12:53,520
Okay. If there's not, I'd entertain a

9068
06:12:53,520 --> 06:12:54,798
motion to go into public hearing for

9069
06:12:54,798 --> 06:12:56,480
7.1.

9070
06:12:56,480 --> 06:12:57,200
>> So moved.

9071
06:12:57,200 --> 06:12:59,920
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

9072
06:12:59,920 --> 06:13:00,320
Second.

9073
06:13:00,320 --> 06:13:02,240
>> Second by Councilman Tuk. All in favor

9074
06:13:02,240 --> 06:13:02,878
say yes.

9075
06:13:02,878 --> 06:13:03,200
>> Yes.

9076
06:13:03,200 --> 06:13:05,920
>> We're in public hearing for 7.1 title 15

9077
06:13:05,920 --> 06:13:08,080
modifying the parking requirements for

9078
06:13:08,080 --> 06:13:11,760
ADUs smaller than 650 ft. Anybody from

9079
06:13:11,760 --> 06:13:13,120
the public that would like to speak to

9080
06:13:13,120 --> 06:13:15,920
this item? Seeing none, I'd entertain a

9081
06:13:15,920 --> 06:13:17,840
motion to go out of public hearing.

9082
06:13:17,840 --> 06:13:18,400
>> So moved.

9083
06:13:18,400 --> 06:13:20,638
>> Motion made by Councilman Marshall.

9084
06:13:20,638 --> 06:13:22,480
>> Second by Councilwoman Beck. All in

9085
06:13:22,480 --> 06:13:23,440
favor say yes.

9086
06:13:23,440 --> 06:13:24,000
>> Yes.

9087
06:13:24,000 --> 06:13:26,958
>> Discussion back up here. Anybody want to

9088
06:13:26,958 --> 06:13:29,200
take a stab at

9089
06:13:29,200 --> 06:13:32,798
questions, comments, or a

9090
06:13:32,798 --> 06:13:36,080
uh proposal for 7.1

9091
06:13:36,080 --> 06:13:37,600
to approve the ordinance to amend title

9092
06:13:37,600 --> 06:13:39,200
15 to change requirements of detach

9093
06:13:39,200 --> 06:13:40,638
accessory dwelling units.

9094
06:13:40,638 --> 06:13:42,638
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

9095
06:13:42,638 --> 06:13:43,120
>> Second.

9096
06:13:43,120 --> 06:13:45,600
by Councilman Marshall. Roll call

9097
06:13:45,600 --> 06:13:47,680
vote. Councilwoman Beck. Yes. Councilman

9098
06:13:47,680 --> 06:13:49,520
Oiler. Yes. Councilman Carden. Yes.

9099
06:13:49,520 --> 06:13:51,040
Councilman Tuk. Yes. And Councilman

9100
06:13:51,040 --> 06:13:51,600
Marshall.

9101
06:13:51,600 --> 06:13:52,080
>> Yes.

9102
06:13:52,080 --> 06:13:54,798
>> 7.1 is approved.

9103
06:13:54,798 --> 06:13:57,440
takes us to new business of our agenda.

9104
06:13:57,440 --> 06:13:59,360
Uh interlocal cooperation agreement for

9105
06:13:59,360 --> 06:14:01,040
building inspection and plan review

9106
06:14:01,040 --> 06:14:04,080
services. This has to do well. Where's

9107
06:14:04,080 --> 06:14:05,440
the Mapleton City? Do we have any

9108
06:14:05,440 --> 06:14:08,878
Mapleton folks that hung about? This is

9109
06:14:08,878 --> 06:14:10,000
left

9110
06:14:10,000 --> 06:14:13,360
>> at the request of Mapleton City.

9111
06:14:13,360 --> 06:14:15,280
>> Exactly. Yes. Uh Mapleton City

9112
06:14:15,280 --> 06:14:16,878
approached our building official a few

9113
06:14:16,878 --> 06:14:20,080
months ago. uh and he John Little has

9114
06:14:20,080 --> 06:14:22,480
worked with um our colleagues in

9115
06:14:22,480 --> 06:14:24,638
Mapleton.

9116
06:14:24,638 --> 06:14:26,400
Van I believe your office has looked

9117
06:14:26,400 --> 06:14:29,680
this agreement over um and in short it

9118
06:14:29,680 --> 06:14:31,200
sets forth provisions that would allow

9119
06:14:31,200 --> 06:14:33,520
our inspectors to do inspections in

9120
06:14:33,520 --> 06:14:36,718
Mapleton and conceivably vice versa. Um

9121
06:14:36,718 --> 06:14:39,040
provided that uh communities are

9122
06:14:39,040 --> 06:14:40,798
compensated

9123
06:14:40,798 --> 06:14:43,440
uh in accordance with the agreement. Uh

9124
06:14:43,440 --> 06:14:47,280
we are required by state law to have

9125
06:14:47,280 --> 06:14:52,160
multiple different options for

9126
06:14:52,160 --> 06:14:54,958
uh certified inspectors to perform

9127
06:14:54,958 --> 06:14:58,240
building inspections in Spanish Fork. We

9128
06:14:58,240 --> 06:15:01,520
haven't used those options very often in

9129
06:15:01,520 --> 06:15:03,840
recent years. Typically cities will have

9130
06:15:03,840 --> 06:15:06,080
contracts with uh private contractors

9131
06:15:06,080 --> 06:15:08,958
and that sort of a thing as we do but

9132
06:15:08,958 --> 06:15:11,200
also occasionally they will have

9133
06:15:11,200 --> 06:15:14,718
interlocal agreements like this to have

9134
06:15:14,718 --> 06:15:17,440
u that type of resource available should

9135
06:15:17,440 --> 06:15:19,920
it be needed for any reason. I think the

9136
06:15:19,920 --> 06:15:21,840
motivation there is to simply make sure

9137
06:15:21,840 --> 06:15:24,798
that um there's not an impediment to

9138
06:15:24,798 --> 06:15:27,200
inspections being performed

9139
06:15:27,200 --> 06:15:31,440
um with immediiacy as they're needed as

9140
06:15:31,440 --> 06:15:34,958
things are being built.

9141
06:15:34,958 --> 06:15:37,360
>> They've cities helping cities.

9142
06:15:37,360 --> 06:15:39,120
>> I love the city's help and see you. I

9143
06:15:39,120 --> 06:15:40,798
think that's awesome. There are two

9144
06:15:40,798 --> 06:15:42,798
private contractors that also perform

9145
06:15:42,798 --> 06:15:45,200
the service for Spanish city. How does

9146
06:15:45,200 --> 06:15:48,638
the distribution of the service work?

9147
06:15:48,638 --> 06:15:52,080
Who who decides who gets called? Is it a

9148
06:15:52,080 --> 06:15:55,520
list? Is it rotating? Um,

9149
06:15:55,520 --> 06:15:59,040
do we not use it enough to know?

9150
06:15:59,040 --> 06:16:02,558
>> We haven't used so, excuse me, Sunrise

9151
06:16:02,558 --> 06:16:06,558
Engineering and Shums Kota,

9152
06:16:06,558 --> 06:16:08,958
we have not used them that I'm aware of

9153
06:16:08,958 --> 06:16:11,680
ever. So, we have contracts in place

9154
06:16:11,680 --> 06:16:14,480
with them because the state requires us

9155
06:16:14,480 --> 06:16:17,120
to have an arrangement with three. Uh

9156
06:16:17,120 --> 06:16:19,600
it's coincidental Germaine to the

9157
06:16:19,600 --> 06:16:22,558
discussion though that uh the third

9158
06:16:22,558 --> 06:16:25,520
party that we contracted with that we

9159
06:16:25,520 --> 06:16:28,718
did use very regularly, you guys know

9160
06:16:28,718 --> 06:16:31,040
Chris Winson, I think probably a lot of

9161
06:16:31,040 --> 06:16:31,840
you.

9162
06:16:31,840 --> 06:16:36,400
>> Um he was our go-to and we would use him

9163
06:16:36,400 --> 06:16:38,958
for probably a few hundred hours a year

9164
06:16:38,958 --> 06:16:40,798
and had pretty consistently over the

9165
06:16:40,798 --> 06:16:44,080
course of the past I would say 12 or 13

9166
06:16:44,080 --> 06:16:47,200
years. he is now the building official

9167
06:16:47,200 --> 06:16:50,160
in Mapleton. So, he is no longer

9168
06:16:50,160 --> 06:16:52,798
available for us as that resource that

9169
06:16:52,798 --> 06:16:55,360
we'd used him so much for. Um, so that

9170
06:16:55,360 --> 06:16:57,440
partly is why now we have this

9171
06:16:57,440 --> 06:16:58,160
agreement.

9172
06:16:58,160 --> 06:17:00,080
>> Yeah.

9173
06:17:00,080 --> 06:17:02,878
uh you might want to think about a

9174
06:17:02,878 --> 06:17:05,520
process to put in writing that says

9175
06:17:05,520 --> 06:17:07,120
we're going to rotate through here or

9176
06:17:07,120 --> 06:17:09,200
Mapleton's our first call and then we'll

9177
06:17:09,200 --> 06:17:11,200
rotate the two private just to make sure

9178
06:17:11,200 --> 06:17:13,680
that no one's going to say, "Hey, so and

9179
06:17:13,680 --> 06:17:16,878
so only picks X."

9180
06:17:16,878 --> 06:17:18,958
>> That's a great thought. Um our building

9181
06:17:18,958 --> 06:17:20,320
inspections, frankly, they're starting

9182
06:17:20,320 --> 06:17:22,878
to pick back up after having had kind of

9183
06:17:22,878 --> 06:17:26,558
a loft for the last 18 months or so. Um,

9184
06:17:26,558 --> 06:17:28,320
I think that that's that's a timely

9185
06:17:28,320 --> 06:17:32,070
suggestion. Okay.

9186
06:17:32,080 --> 06:17:34,558
» You want to make that suggestion in a

9187
06:17:34,558 --> 06:17:36,878
motion or are you that worried about it?

9188
06:17:36,878 --> 06:17:38,638
>> If if staff says they're going to write

9189
06:17:38,638 --> 06:17:40,480
a policy or process in place, I'm fine

9190
06:17:40,480 --> 06:17:42,160
with it.

9191
06:17:42,160 --> 06:17:42,480
>> Okay.

9192
06:17:42,480 --> 06:17:44,320
>> We don't it's going to end up being

9193
06:17:44,320 --> 06:17:47,520
somebody, right, that isn't trying to do

9194
06:17:47,520 --> 06:17:48,798
anything that's going to get accused of

9195
06:17:48,798 --> 06:17:50,400
it. So, I think to protect our

9196
06:17:50,400 --> 06:17:51,760
employees, put something in place they

9197
06:17:51,760 --> 06:17:52,718
can follow.

9198
06:17:52,718 --> 06:17:54,878
>> They don't all charge the same. I will

9199
06:17:54,878 --> 06:17:58,000
say that. So, by way of our go-tos, that

9200
06:17:58,000 --> 06:18:01,120
has a lot to do with that decision. So,

9201
06:18:01,120 --> 06:18:03,360
>> I would bet that the contract mechanism

9202
06:18:03,360 --> 06:18:05,200
didn't say we're going to pick the

9203
06:18:05,200 --> 06:18:07,040
cheapest one.

9204
06:18:07,040 --> 06:18:09,600
>> So, just write something down. This is

9205
06:18:09,600 --> 06:18:10,878
the process we're going to do.

9206
06:18:10,878 --> 06:18:13,680
>> And and maybe for not necessarily what

9207
06:18:13,680 --> 06:18:15,760
you're saying, but for the public that

9208
06:18:15,760 --> 06:18:17,440
eventually watches this part of the

9209
06:18:17,440 --> 06:18:19,840
meeting.

9210
06:18:19,840 --> 06:18:21,360
Um,

9211
06:18:21,360 --> 06:18:23,120
we have to have these because if we

9212
06:18:23,120 --> 06:18:26,000
don't get to a an inspection within 72

9213
06:18:26,000 --> 06:18:28,558
hours, then then we can pull the rip

9214
06:18:28,558 --> 06:18:30,638
cord or the the builder can.

9215
06:18:30,638 --> 06:18:32,958
>> Uh, our policy is to do to do

9216
06:18:32,958 --> 06:18:35,360
inspections. Uh, we get it within 24

9217
06:18:35,360 --> 06:18:38,240
hours except for on a weekend and maybe

9218
06:18:38,240 --> 06:18:42,638
that is then, you know, if you call on Friday, you may not have the

9219
06:18:42,638 --> 06:18:44,240
inspection till the next business day,

9220
06:18:44,240 --> 06:18:46,798
which is Monday. Uh I think you've most

9221
06:18:46,798 --> 06:18:48,958
often used that individual you mentioned

9222
06:18:48,958 --> 06:18:51,600
when we have two of our inspectors that

9223
06:18:51,600 --> 06:18:53,600
go on vacation at a time and so then you

9224
06:18:53,600 --> 06:18:54,878
have that hold. So I think that's the

9225
06:18:54,878 --> 06:18:56,638
window of time where we would use

9226
06:18:56,638 --> 06:18:58,718
>> frankly I would say taking what Shane is

9227
06:18:58,718 --> 06:19:00,718
saying I would say to you let's

9228
06:19:00,718 --> 06:19:04,320
>> let's use this one and see how they do

9229
06:19:04,320 --> 06:19:06,160
and let's use that one and see how they

9230
06:19:06,160 --> 06:19:07,040
do like we need to

9231
06:19:07,040 --> 06:19:08,638
>> if there's a there's some performance

9232
06:19:08,638 --> 06:19:10,000
criteria in the contracts. Absolutely.

9233
06:19:10,000 --> 06:19:10,320
That's

9234
06:19:10,320 --> 06:19:11,520
>> we want to know how they see our code

9235
06:19:11,520 --> 06:19:12,558
and how they call the code.

9236
06:19:12,558 --> 06:19:12,878
>> Sure.

9237
06:19:12,878 --> 06:19:15,680
>> Yeah. I think the having them on call

9238
06:19:15,680 --> 06:19:17,120
like that is really important.

9239
06:19:17,120 --> 06:19:18,798
Otherwise, we'd be hiring a third person

9240
06:19:18,798 --> 06:19:21,120
or whatever to have on staff and we'd be

9241
06:19:21,120 --> 06:19:22,480
over staffed. So, this is a perfect way

9242
06:19:22,480 --> 06:19:24,400
of handling the the issue

9243
06:19:24,400 --> 06:19:27,200
>> to just make it fair and and transparent

9244
06:19:27,200 --> 06:19:28,718
so that we all know how they're getting

9245
06:19:28,718 --> 06:19:30,240
selected.

9246
06:19:30,240 --> 06:19:31,920
>> We'll do.

9247
06:19:31,920 --> 06:19:33,680
>> Good stuff. Thank you, David.

9248
06:19:33,680 --> 06:19:34,480
>> Great for that.

9249
06:19:34,480 --> 06:19:35,440
>> Thank you.

9250
06:19:35,440 --> 06:19:38,480
>> Uh I would uh entertain a motion for

9251
06:19:38,480 --> 06:19:40,160
item

9252
06:19:40,160 --> 06:19:42,400
Jeez, sorry, guys.

9253
06:19:42,400 --> 06:19:42,798
8

9254
06:19:42,798 --> 06:19:43,440
>> 8.1

9255
06:19:43,440 --> 06:19:44,240
>> is it just 8

9256
06:19:44,240 --> 06:19:46,878
>> 81 8.1

9257
06:19:46,878 --> 06:19:48,958
>> new business 8.1 I would to entertain a

9258
06:19:48,958 --> 06:19:49,200
motion

9259
06:19:49,200 --> 06:19:50,400
>> I move to approve the interlocal

9260
06:19:50,400 --> 06:19:52,160
cooperation agreement for building

9261
06:19:52,160 --> 06:19:54,638
inspection and plan reuse services

9262
06:19:54,638 --> 06:19:56,558
>> motion made by Councilman Marshall

9263
06:19:56,558 --> 06:19:59,520
>> second by Councilman Carden a roll call

9264
06:19:59,520 --> 06:20:01,280
vote here Councilman Tuk yes

9265
06:20:01,280 --> 06:20:03,440
>> Councilman Carden Oiler yes

9266
06:20:03,440 --> 06:20:04,400
>> Councilwoman Beck

9267
06:20:04,400 --> 06:20:04,718
>> yes

9268
06:20:04,718 --> 06:20:05,680
>> Councilman Marshall

9269
06:20:05,680 --> 06:20:06,080
>> yes

9270
06:20:06,080 --> 06:20:08,080
>> that's approved

9271
06:20:08,080 --> 06:20:09,840
are we adjourning to close session we

9272
06:20:09,840 --> 06:20:11,280
are not adjourning to close session we

9273
06:20:11,280 --> 06:20:13,360
are adjourning ing council meeting. I

9274
06:20:13,360 --> 06:20:15,200
would entertain a motion to adjurnn.

9275
06:20:15,200 --> 06:20:16,000
>> So moved.

9276
06:20:16,000 --> 06:20:17,920
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

9277
06:20:17,920 --> 06:20:19,920
>> Second by Councilman Tuk. All in favor

9278
06:20:19,920 --> 06:20:22,160
say yes. Yes. We're adjourned. Thank you

9279
06:20:22,160 --> 06:20:24,718
all for joining