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thank you everybody for joining us in

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uh, city council meeting in Spanish

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Fork. Uh, thank you everybody for

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joining us in person and everybody

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joining online wherever you may be in

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the world. Uh, we've uh, we've been 20

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years or so in uh, in meetings carried

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live on on YouTube and recorded. So, we

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appreciate everybody watching wherever

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they watch from if it's if it's not

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here. But, we appreciate you all being

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here, too. Thank you. Um, we'll get

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started like we always do in Spanish

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Fork with a prayer and the pledge of

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allegiance. Uh, tonight we have

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Councilman Carden giving us the prayer

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and motivational message and then

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Councilwoman Beck will lead us in the

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pledge. No motiv motivate Oh, I can't

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speak. Motivational message, but just a

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prayer. So,

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our father in heaven, we are grateful to

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be gathered together together uh today

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in these chambers. We're thankful,

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Father, for the city of Spanish Fork

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that we get to live in in the the United

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States. We are so thankful, Father, for

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those who serve so diligently, our city,

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um our police, our fire, our EMS, who

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give of themselves, um take away from

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their time with their family to serve

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our great community. We're thankful,

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Father, for those in our community that

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serve and those that are here tonight to

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be a part of this great process. We ask

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the father to please bless us with clear

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minds and clear thoughts that we may be

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able to discuss the needs of the city

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and to do the business of the city. We

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ask father to please bless us with um

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guidance as we do so. And please

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heavenly father bless those um in our

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city that do give of themselves. And we

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say this in the name of Jesus Christ.

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>> Please stand and repeat the pledge after

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me.

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I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Thank you.

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Councilman Carden. Thank you,

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Councilwoman Beck. Okay, item three on

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the agenda. We have uh a couple of oath

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of offices to take place. Chief Johnson

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will get us started with those.

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» Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the

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city council, members of our community.

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Tonight, I am introducing three

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individuals who have answered a noble

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call to service. To wear this badge

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requires far more than physical strength

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or tactical skill. It demands unwavering

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integrity, deep empathy, and the

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resilience to bring calm to chaos. The

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badge we bestow tonight is a symbol of

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immense public trust. The people of our

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city hand these officers the

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responsibility to safeguard safeguard

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their rights, their safety and their

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dignity. That trust is not given

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lightly, nor is it permanent. It must be

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earned with every call, every

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conversation, and every decision made on

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duty. I have full confidence that these

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three officers possess the character,

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courage, and dedication necessary to

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carry this weight and serve our city

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with honor. It is my privilege to

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present them to you tonight for their

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oath of office. Would officer Hager

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please come forward, Officer Cox and

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Officer Thacker.

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So to my right is officer Hyram Cox. Uh

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he just graduated from the police

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academy on August 14th. Uh prior to his

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employment with the city, he was in the

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private sector in the financial

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industry.

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To my left is officer Jacob Hager. He

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has eight years experience with the

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American Fork Police Department. And

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then we have off officer Nicholas

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Thacker and he graduated from the police

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academy on the 14th as well. He's a

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member of the Utah National Guard and he

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was employed with the Utah Transit

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Authority as a body shop technician. But

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all three officers are on in the field

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training process. It's been fun to watch

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in the last couple weeks. I've had the

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opportunity to respond on a few calls

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with them and just see the enthusiasm

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and the dedication that they have to our

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community and the desire to serve. But I

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just want to highlight to uh their

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family members here this evening and if

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they choose to introduce them they may

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do that. But uh they have a great

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support system here tonight with

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spouses, fiances, uh parents and

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children as well. But I just want to

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tell their families uh we do appreciate

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that and welcome to the Spanish Fork

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Police Department family and we're

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excited to have them. So with that being

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said, Mr. Mayor, I will let you

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administer the oath of office.

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>> Perfect. Anybody have any questions for

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these officers before I administer the

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out to watch them get sworn this

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>> Yes, that's good. That's a lot of people

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that don't want to get pulled over and

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get tickets. I guess they come to it.

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after we do this uh introduce maybe your families that are here. We know

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this uh it's like chief has always said,

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this is not an individual thing, but

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it's usually a family and extended

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family that supports you in this role.

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the mayor and council, but the whole

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community recognizes that, too. So,

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thank you guys. Be ready for those

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questions after we do the oath.

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» okay. So, when I say I, I'm going to

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start here and you don't say state your

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name. You you say your your real name

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and then you say your name. you say your

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name and then we'll go through the rest

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all together. Okay,

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>> All right, raise your right arm to the

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square. I

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>> do solemnly swear

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>> that I will to the best of my ability

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>> and with the highest level of integrity

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>> serve the people of Spanish Fork City

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>> and preserve protect and defend

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>> the Constitution of the United States

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>> and the Constitution of the state of

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Utah

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>> and the Constitution of the State of

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Utah.

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>> Congratulations.

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>> All right. Well, thank you guys for the

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opportunity. I'm Hyram Cox. My family is

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right over here. That's my wife, Leah.

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William, who are 18 months and three

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>> That's awesome.

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» Also, thanks for the opportunity. Um,

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this is my family over here. My wife

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McKenzie and

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just five of these kids [laughter] here

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are mine.

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if it wasn't for them. So, [laughter]

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friends in the back and so lots of

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» Yeah. Just like them, I'd like to take

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the opportunity to say thank you. Thank

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you for allowing me to serve the city of

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Spanish Fork. This is where I grew up.

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back over there, we have those are my

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parents, mom and dad, my fiance's

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between them, and then my in-laws just

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guys. Appreciate it. Thank

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» Anyone Pete, you're going to do pictures

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out there for them or in here with their

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officers and and welcome to your to your

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families. Again, it's uh it's not lost

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on us. It's not lost on this community

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that it's a it's an effort. So, thank

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you. Thank you all you guys and and the

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support you give your you give your

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officers. Um takes us to another

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recognition uh that we're excited about

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tonight. Um

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>> Chief H?

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>> Chief Hails. Yes. Our other chief Chief

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Eddie Hails is uh going to introduce

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this recognition portion of the meeting.

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Mayor, council, thanks for the

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opportunity to recognize one of our

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community members for something heroic

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that they did uh in the month of July.

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Uh I want to if they can just come

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forward, I want to bring Kenny Parcell

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forward. This recognition is for him,

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but I also want to bring the um Jana and

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the Pepper family, Jana and Joe Pepper

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and their family up here as well because

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this was impactful to their family.

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I'll I'll just share with you the story

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if you guys just want to stand up here

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to the left. Um

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on the morning of July 13th, uh around

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7:15 7:30 in the morning, uh Kenny was

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uh out and about and uh driving and saw

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a big black column of smoke coming from

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down in the riverbottoms neighborhood uh

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of Spanish Fork and uh he thought it was

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a wildland fire. And so as uh he was

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looking at it, he decided to drive down

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that way to make sure that uh people

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were out of the area. And when he

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arrived, he found that it was the pepper

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home that was on fire. And uh the whole

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entire back of the house is on fire. I

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wish I had a picture to show it, but it

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was uh an outside cooking area that had

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extended up into the house. Uh by the

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time that Kenny had arrived, uh Joe and

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Jana were not home. Uh these two young

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ladies were were at home and they had

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working smoke detectors, but as most

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teenagers sometimes don't necessarily

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hear everything, they might not have

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heard the smoke detector in the manner

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that they should have been alerted to.

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the right of me, Kenny, on uh

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recognizing the fact that no one was

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outside. And uh so he went to make sure

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everybody was out. Uh Kenny opened the

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door, saw a dog running around uh in the

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living room and uh decided to yell out

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and make his way to the floor up upper

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floor. And that's when he found which

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one of you? You and your uh your he he

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No, your house is on fire. You

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need to get out. And that you got a

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picture of this there's smoke filling

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the home. Uh so Khloe uh started moving

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out and Kenny asked, "Is there anyone

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else in here?" And that's when you said,

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"My sister's in that room right there."

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So Kenny went in and proceeded to help

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get your sister out and your name

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>> Aubrey.

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And as they were getting outside

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of the house, uh Kenny said, "Is there

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anyone else in there?" And they said,

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"Our dog." And so he uh took a deep

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breath of air and uh went back inside

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and and was able to pull this big dog

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kennel out and bring out to safety prior

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to fire, EMS, and police arriving.

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Uh what a heroic thing that Kenny did.

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Um he didn't have to do that. Uh in

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fact, as a fire department, we don't

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encourage folks to go into into burning

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buildings. Uh in fact, we are very

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strictly uh against that in in many

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ways. And so we do not encourage you to

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ever go into a burning home. But Kenny

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took it upon himself knowing that what

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there was a potential life to be saved

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and uh went inside and and put his uh

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own life aside for the lives of these

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two young ladies and their family dog.

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Uh

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his willingness to act quickly shows

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that we have good people in our

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community and uh if it weren't for

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Kenny, we would probably be having a

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different story in Spanish Fork. um

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probably that evening of July 13th when

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uh a catastrophic story could have come

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out that a family lost two children in a

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fire. Um but because of Kenny's quick

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action and his willingness to step into

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a harm's way, putting his own life aside

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to save these two young ladies and their

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family dog truly shows his heroic um

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demeanor and who he is as a person. So,

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on behalf of the fire and EMS

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department, I just wanted to uh reward

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uh Mr. Parcell with a life-saving award

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from our department and thanks for his

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heroic effort in saving uh these two

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young ladies life in a in a tragic uh

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fire that we had on that day of July

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13th.

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the time over. I I know uh Joe has a few

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things to say and I'd like to Kenny to

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share a few thoughts as well and then we

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can get a picture but uh to share their

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experience and their maybe their thinks

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as well. Joe

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I'm glad I'm glad that I get to go

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before Kenny.

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Um, may our city council, I appreciate

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the opportunity to be here today. Um, my

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wife let me know that the fire chief

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reached out to let us know that we'd be

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recognizing Kenny today and that I had

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been invited to say a few things.

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Uh I know the invitation to say

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something was actually directed at her

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since she took the phone call and she

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passed the responsibility to me. I am

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grateful that I am facing this way as I

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go through my comments. A lot of this is

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has been said but if I try and adjust on

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the fly uh it won't come out right. So,

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[clears throat]

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prior to the morning

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of July 13th, Kenny and I did not know

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each other. We have many mutual friends,

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but our path had never crossed. As he

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drove down Main Street on his way home,

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he took the time to act on a feeling. As

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he detoured, he had no idea the impact

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that he was about to have on our family.

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He followed smoke to what he thought

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would was a brush fire, thinking that he

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could help do something until the fire

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department showed up. When he got to the

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source of the fire, source of the smoke,

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he found more than he expected or

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bargained for. In [clears throat] a

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selfless act, he literally ran into a

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burning building without any knowledge

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of who lived there and what he might

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find. What he had found

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was a home where the parents weren't

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home and had two sleeping teenagers. He

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met Aubrey in the basement and helped

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her get out and then helped Khloe who

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was upstairs. Once they were both safe,

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he gathered the courage to go back in

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one more time for the family dog. Kenny

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put his own safety at risk to help an

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unknown family in their time of need. If

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Kenny could not would have not have

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reacted when and how he did, the story

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could have had a much different and very

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sad ending. In the days following the

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fire, my wife and I spent several

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sleepless nights as the thoughts of what

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if bounced around our head.

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Whenever someone asks about the fire, I

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tell them the story. 95% of the time,

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they say they know Kenny and talk about

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what a stand-up guy he is. I'm forever

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grateful for Kenny and for him being a

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stand-up guy. Kenny and I continue to

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stay in contact since that day, and I'm

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happy to now say that I know Kenny.

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I would also like to thank the men and

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women of the 13 responding units that

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were dispatched to the call. Although it

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will be another 11 months before we were

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able to return to our home, their quick

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response limited a majority of the

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damage to smoke and water rather than a

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complete loss of the structure. Within

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the chaos of that morning, one member of

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the fire department was alerted enough

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to remove our wedding picture from the

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wall of our bedroom and place it safely

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on the front porch. We are blessed to be

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able to say that through all this, we

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didn't lose anything that was

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unreplaceable, especially our daughters.

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Again, would like to thank first

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responders and especially Kenny for all

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that they did that morning. Thank you.

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I'll be brief. The funny thing was the

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oldest when I met her at the door, she

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said, "Uh, do I grab my clothes?" And,

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uh, thank goodness the video wasn't on

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because I think I said a bad word. No,

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you're not going to take the [laughter]

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clothes. But the fun thing is the black

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lab that was following me around and

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when we got them out, I asked them if

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there was anybody else in the home or

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any pets and they said, "Yes, we have

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one more dog." So, it was two dogs and

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they said, "It's in a crate." And I

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said, "Where?" And they said, "In the

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living room." And so, I did take a big

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gasp of air and went back in to grab the

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dog crate. But the funnest thing for as

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you look back is just to see when the

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fire department came and uh the peppers

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showed up and embraced their children.

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It was pretty special. Um, we have a

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mutual friend, Matt Christensen, that

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was talking to him and the funny fun

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thing was is when he said, "And this

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bald angel showed up and then he just

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disappeared." So, I'll be just known as

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the bald angel. [laughter] Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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» [clears throat]

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» Thank you. If you want to go outside,

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I'll take a picture. Thank you.

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[clears throat]

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>> Kind of your neighborhood there,

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Councilman Oiler.

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>> Yeah, it is. I was at the Fit City Fit

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City Center and just as I got home, I

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saw the [snorts] the notice on my phone

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that there was a fire in my

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neighborhood. So, I went to find out

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where it was and found all our first

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responders there taking care of

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business. It like like Kenny said, it

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was amazing thing to see all of the

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neighborhood that came out to support

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this family.

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>> Yeah, I remember I immediately started

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getting texts from your neighborhood and

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said, "Hey, there's a there's a hero in

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this neighborhood." And before details

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were known, but um what a hero. So,

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>> good work. and uh and that's what uh

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that's what our city's about. So,

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okay. Um

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good recognitions to always start out a

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council meeting. Um I'm I'm going to uh

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we've got some folks from the Harvest

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Moon Harrah and the wings and wills that

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might be a little bit quicker than the

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public comment section that we have

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tonight. And so, if they're ready, I see

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Emily there. Emily, could you do the

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Harvest Moon Harrah 101 and then we'll

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go to the Wings and Wheels 101 and and

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then we'll go to public comments after

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that.

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>> Thank you for having me here today. I'm

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Emily Haramman, Spanish Fork City

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Special Event Supervisor. I am here on

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behalf of the Art Council to let you

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know that next Friday is the Harvest

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Moon Harrah at the city park. Um, it

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will be on September 11th from 5 to 8:00

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PM. Um, some of you may remember Harvest

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Moonh Harra used to be held on

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Saturdays, but Saturdays are so busy

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this time of the year. So, last year we

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moved to Friday night and our attendance

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doubled. Uh, so we hope you can see us

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Friday night. Uh, we will be having all

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sorts of games for the kids, uh, which

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are free. Uh, we'll have several vendor

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booths there. We'll have our food trucks

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which are part of our normal Friday

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night food truck. Uh we'll have the

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Spanish Fort Corral will be performing

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at 5:00 and then our headline band um

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Monkey Friday will be at 5:30 and we

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just hope you can come and celebrate

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with us as we kick off Harvest Moon.

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Harrah.

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>> Questions for Emily. This is uh always a

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gets bigger every year, just doesn't it?

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uh with this.

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>> Who's who's over that section? You.

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>> I am.

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>> Jesse.

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>> Councilman Carden. You got it taken care

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of.

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>> I don't. Emily does. But [laughter]

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>> no, the arts council does a great job.

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It's going to be great.

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>> Well, I one thing Jesse didn't mention

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is we decided to come up with a really

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cool theme this year just because it is

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the 25th anniversary of September 11th.

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And so Jesse helped us at our last

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meeting. Um the theme of the event is

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Star, Stripes, and Harvest Nights. Cool.

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>> Thank you, Jesse, for doing that.

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>> Very good. But, uh, you got a lot of

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volunteers that make this work as well.

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>> We do. Yes. The art council, uh,

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themselves are all volunteers. And then

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we have several volunteers that will be

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doing face painting, games for the kids,

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uh, which is I would say probably close

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to 100 volunteers will be out there. And

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you'll see us all in our really cool um,

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harvest moon shirts. So, you won't miss

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us.

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>> Very cool. as if uh fiesta days you

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didn't run into enough volunteers. You

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can run into more volunteers uh every

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year in September and so very good

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stuff.

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>> Yes. Uh September is actually a really

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big busy month for a special event. Um

537
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,799
not only do we have our harvest moon

538
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:20,640
Harra, but in a moment you'll hear from

539
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,640
Christian Davis uh with Wings and

540
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,480
Wheels. Uh that is one of our other

541
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,919
events where we have spots for 300

542
00:22:27,919 --> 00:22:30,320
volunteers and it's a great opportunity

543
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,000
for people in the community to come out

544
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,200
and volunteer at the air show.

545
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,640
>> Just getting bigger and bigger, too.

546
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:36,960
>> Yes.

547
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,559
>> Thank you, Emily. Good information.

548
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,120
>> Thanks, Emily. Appreciate it.

549
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,110
>> Yeah, we can clap for the harvest.

550
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,559
» I don't know if Christian's getting an

551
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:47,360
applause, but

552
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,520
>> uh hopefully not. Mayor and council,

553
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,120
good to be back. Another year, another

554
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,360
wings and wills. Um, I'll wait while

555
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,240
this gets pulled up. Um, for your

556
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,840
information, Wings and Wheels is the

557
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,840
largest annual air show in Utah. So,

558
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,360
we've grown it over the last 10 years

559
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,600
from maybe a few hundred uh people from

560
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,520
our local community to come out and just

561
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,520
see the airport and see some planes

562
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,919
there to this awesome uh almost

563
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:11,919
nationally recognized really fast

564
00:23:11,919 --> 00:23:13,360
growing air show. So, it's really

565
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,679
awesome. Um, here's our event logo for

566
00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:17,039
the year. This will be on all of our

567
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,280
event merchandise for sale at the event.

568
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,280
We'll also have this for sale in advance

569
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,200
on our air show website at some point

570
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,280
later this week. So, if you love the

571
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,559
logo, grab a a hoodie, shirt, or hat.

572
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:32,240
Uh, next slide, please. Um, the event is

573
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,720
September 26th, uh, from 9:00 a.m. to 4

574
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,880
pm. Uh, for tickets and anything related

575
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,440
to the show, schedule, event maps,

576
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,400
things like that, visit

577
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,720
spfork.gov/airshow.

578
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,320
As a reminder to the community,

579
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,400
purchasing your tickets online and in

580
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,400
advance is cheaper. Um, if you purchase

581
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,559
a ticket at the gate, it is $5 more

582
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,080
expensive. So, we encourage you to

583
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,640
purchase online in advance and get

584
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,000
through the gate faster and into the

585
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,640
event.

586
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,720
>> There's a line if you don't if you don't

587
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,559
buy. There's a line.

588
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,000
>> Yeah.

589
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,440
>> Credit card only as well. So, we're not

590
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,120
accepting cash this year. So, please

591
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,640
have your cards ready.

592
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,799
>> Um, featured aircraft at the event this

593
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:10,559
year. We will have the United States Air

594
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:15,600
Force Wings of Blue uh jumping out of a Twin Otter aircraft. They'll have a 10

595
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,000
to 12 person jump team and they'll do,

596
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,120
you know, some really awesome things

597
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,360
with their parachutes as they skydive.

598
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,799
Um, we have an aircraft called the

599
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:24,320
Privateier. It's the second from the

600
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,039
top. Um, out of 739 built during World

601
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,279
War II, it's the last one that is flying

602
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,360
today. Um, so really unique aircraft to

603
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,240
have at our event. Um, we'll have a B7

604
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,039
flying fortress. Um, out of over 12,000

605
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:39,039
built, there's three left flying today.

606
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:41,039
So really iconic aircraft, part of

607
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,120
aviation history and really American

608
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:44,640
history that'll be right here in Spanish

609
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,960
Fork. And then lastly, we'll have what's

610
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,279
called a PBJ Mitchell, the Navy variant

611
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,559
of a B24 Mitchell. Um there were 706

612
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,400
built of this variant, and there's one

613
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,080
flying today that will be at the event.

614
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,320
So really a unique event with

615
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,640
one-of-a-kind remaining airworthy

616
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,200
aircraft that come here to Spanish Fork.

617
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,720
Excellent. Um in conclusion, mark your

618
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,640
calendar. Again, this is September 26th

619
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,880
at the Spanish Fork Airport. Uh Emily

620
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,039
mentioned volunteering. Um we have a lot

621
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,120
of volunteer slots available. Volunteers

622
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,039
work a 4-hour shift at the event. They

623
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,960
get a meal and a free t-shirt. So, we

624
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,240
encourage you to volunteer if you want

625
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,400
to get into the event for free and and

626
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,640
help our air showing community. And then

627
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,480
promote um you know, share the event

628
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,240
with friends, family, and the community.

629
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,640
Um Emily's gonna help out hand some uh

630
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,880
swag bags to council members and then

631
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,992
I'll let you pick either a camo hat or

632
00:25:35,992 --> 00:25:38,080
[clears throat] aricolored hat. If you

633
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,840
accept a hat, you have to wear it every

634
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,960
single day before the event though.

635
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,919
>> Christian. Oh

636
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:44,799
>> yeah, questions.

637
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,640
>> I have a question. Um if people want to

638
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,320
volunteer, will you tell them where they

639
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,200
need to [clears throat] go?

640
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,880
>> Yes.

641
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,480
>> Show and then click on the volunteer

642
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:52,880
link.

643
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,640
>> Okay. And I know the day is really full.

644
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,559
It's like what what time does it start?

645
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,400
Yeah, gates open at 9:00 a.m. and the

646
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,720
event ends at 4 and it is packed. You

647
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,440
know, we've got food vendors, car show,

648
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,080
exotic car show, um aerobatic aircraft

649
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,159
flying, historic aircraft flying, you

650
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:09,600
know, a lot of stuff going on all day

651
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:09,919
long.

652
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:11,520
>> The lineup or the calendar is online,

653
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,279
too, so you can kind of hone in of what

654
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:14,159
your interests are.

655
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:14,480
>> Correct.

656
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,919
>> Okay. It's always a great event. Thank

657
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:16,240
you.

658
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:16,880
>> Thank you.

659
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,360
>> Christian question. Best practices for

660
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,120
those coming uh with parking. I know

661
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,880
that that's evolved over the years and

662
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,400
any couple thoughts you could share with

663
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:24,640
us.

664
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,400
>> Yeah. Yep. We're increasing parking this

665
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,760
year. Um there is a parking fee to park

666
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,840
close to the event that uh helps you

667
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,480
know increase uh parking availability

668
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,320
and staff that goes towards parking.

669
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,240
There are free lots available and then

670
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,080
we will have we worked with a a local

671
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,919
landowner to provide additional parking

672
00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:44,480
as well. Uh so hop on a on the website

673
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,080
at Spanishwork.gov and make sure you

674
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,400
familiar familiarize yourself with the

675
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,159
parking maps and directions prior to the

676
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:50,799
event.

677
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,279
>> Thank you, Emily.

678
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:58,400
>> I've noticed um If you volunteer, you get to be a little closer to some

679
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,720
cool cars and maybe some cool planes. Is

680
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,559
that right? That's not a guarantee. You

681
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:02,880
might

682
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,400
>> Yeah, depending on the volunteer area

683
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,000
that you sign up for, you know, there

684
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,440
you might be working closely with cars

685
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,400
or aircraft.

686
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,200
>> Yeah. Cool stuff.

687
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,159
I saw Councilman Oiler there last year

688
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:16,799
who was on the all day

689
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,200
volunteer effect. Whichever one doesn't

690
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,720
matter to me.

691
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,679
>> Thank you.

692
00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:23,039
>> Yeah. If you volunteer, they're going to

693
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:23,760
put you to work.

694
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,760
>> Yeah. And when I when I came upon him,

695
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,120
he was sunburned and dehydrated. And so

696
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,080
make sure

697
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,360
>> we'll double down this year. Make sure

698
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,880
>> you guys get enough water this year. He

699
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,520
was Yeah.

700
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,120
>> No, we've got plenty of water. Emily

701
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,480
does a great job organizing the

702
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,240
volunteers and making sure that uh

703
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,080
they've got what they need. Stay safe.

704
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,840
>> Well, we have the military piece again

705
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,520
like last year and the car is the same.

706
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,559
I mean, I think a lot of people don't

707
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:45,919
realize there's that component as well

708
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:48,159
with the aviation stuff. The auto, you

709
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:49,279
know, the racing and stuff is

710
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:50,000
incredible.

711
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,679
>> Yeah. Yeah. We will have a lot of

712
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:54,159
automotive components to the event as

713
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:57,750
usual.

714
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,480
» You can be there.

715
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,159
>> Nope. No racing for me. We're not doing

716
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:00,720
it this year.

717
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,600
>> There's no racing.

718
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,679
>> We will have two races available.

719
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:05,279
>> And Shane's not invited.

720
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:06,159
>> Yeah, he's off the list.

721
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:06,799
>> Not fast enough.

722
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:11,750
>> Yeah. Bad behavior last year. [laughter]

723
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,080
» Hey,

724
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,279
>> perfect. Thank you, Christian.

725
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,120
Appreciate it. We'll see everybody in

726
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:19,200
September. Uh the September 20, what do

727
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,320
we say? 26th 26th down at the airport.

728
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,880
Uh if if you forget that day, it's

729
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,000
pretty easy to start hearing it and uh

730
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,200
seeing it uh from anywhere in town. So

731
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,039
uh you're not too late if you start

732
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:34,880
seeing it and hearing it. Get on down

733
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,919
there. You you won't regret it. It's a great day with uh with all your

734
00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:43,600
community friends. Okay. Uh now we'll go

735
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440
to before we go to consent items, uh

736
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,520
we'll go to the public comment section.

737
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,360
um the public comment section uh

738
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,960
tonight. Uh David W, do you have the

739
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,600
maybe the Yeah, you got the timer there.

740
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,399
Uh so we'll try to keep these to three

741
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:00,320
minutes. This is this section of a

742
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,240
meeting that where you can address the

743
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,600
mayor and council. You can ask

744
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,960
questions. Uh typically it's not a

745
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,679
section of the agenda to to talk uh

746
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:12,159
about something on the agenda. Uh but we

747
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:13,919
realize this is an agenda item that's

748
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:15,440
got some of you to come out here and and

749
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,200
we want to hear from you. If you have

750
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,520
something new to ask, something new to

751
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080
tell us, uh, feel free to do so, uh,

752
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,960
please keep it to to three minutes and,

753
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,039
uh, and we'll take notes and and and try

754
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,919
to take notes, uh, with our staff as as

755
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:31,840
well as us writing things down. But

756
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,919
please, during public comments, just

757
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:36,399
like public hearing, um, we can all clap

758
00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:39,440
together for for heroes like we like we

759
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,320
have. Um but uh but during public

760
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,840
comments and public hearings uh we we

761
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,840
don't want want you to clap. We don't

762
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,399
want you to to boo. We want everybody if

763
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:52,080
they have something to say to feel like

764
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,640
this is a place to say it. And so let's

765
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,720
just make sure we're respectful of that.

766
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880
Uh and uh and then we'll we'll try to

767
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,399
keep you to that three minutes and let

768
00:30:00,399 --> 00:30:01,840
you know. There's a beep when it gets

769
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,000
done, but uh we'll we'll keep you to

770
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,880
that when it comes up. Um okay, this is

771
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,720
the public comment section of the

772
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,880
agenda. So, feel free to come up and

773
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,279
state your name so Tara can get it on

774
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,679
the record and uh and if you have

775
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:17,440
something to let the mayor and council

776
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:24,389
know of.

777
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:25,919
» Good evening.

778
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:28,399
>> Um my name is Karen Crossley. I live in

779
00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:31,360
Spanish Fork and I'm not here to tell

780
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,039
you whether this project should be built

781
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,120
or not. I'm here about one thing that is

782
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,679
in the text in front of you. The council

783
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,679
has revised this ordinance in the last

784
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:42,320
two weeks. Water is now capped. The

785
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,559
development agreement is required. The

786
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,279
site limit has dropped to one. So text

787
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,360
can clearly be changed when this council

788
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,919
wants it to change. One thing did not

789
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,960
change despite multiple asks. Right now

790
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,880
a project like this has to come to a

791
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,120
public hearing. That is in the code

792
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,120
today. The version in front of you

793
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,279
tonight takes that public hearing out

794
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,120
and it hands the review to a staff

795
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,440
committee that does not hold hearings.

796
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,600
Whatever you decide tonight, residents

797
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,120
are going to have questions about this

798
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,840
project for years. Where those questions

799
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,200
go is up to you. Keep the hearing bring

800
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,440
and residents bring their questions here

801
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840
on the record where staff can answer and

802
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,279
where each of you can explain your

803
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,440
reasoning. That is what accountability

804
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,440
and transparency looks like. And a

805
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,919
public hearing is where that happens.

806
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:31,840
Take away the hearing and the same

807
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,399
questions will go to Facebook, will go

808
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:36,720
to reporters, and to quiet conversations

809
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,799
in neighborhoods where your answers will

810
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,279
never reach. This council will still be

811
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,279
asked those questions, but residents

812
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,080
will not get an answer. What people will

813
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,760
remember about tonight is not the noise

814
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,159
limit. It's not the water cap. It's not

815
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:51,679
the development agreement or the other

816
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:53,919
things that changed. Those things matter

817
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:56,080
and I'm not discounting them. But what

818
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,519
they will remember is that a public

819
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,919
hearing was in the code and the council

820
00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:02,799
removed it. A hearing puts the questions

821
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,039
and the answers in one place on the

822
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,120
record where anyone can find them years

823
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,600
from now. That is what you lose and you

824
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,039
will lose the trust of the people who

825
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,120
wanted to be heard on this. You [snorts]

826
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,440
do not need a conditional use permit to

827
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,840
fix this. A notice public hearing can be

828
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,240
written into the text on its own right

829
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,480
now. It's one provision and it doesn't

830
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,000
slow down a project that meets any

831
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,159
standards. Please put public hearings

832
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:28,080
back into this text before you vote.

833
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Thank you.

834
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,320
>> Thank you, Karen.

835
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,000
>> Before Before we get to the next one, uh

836
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,159
Karen did bring something up that I I

837
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:38,159
failed to mention um in the uh

838
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:40,080
not a question, but in But you're fine.

839
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,640
stingstead up there [laughter]

840
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,679
in in what she alluded to um that I

841
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,760
should have alluded to is there is an

842
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,640
agenda item that that she's speaking

843
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,480
about. There is a packet there that you

844
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,000
can click on and and there is a updated

845
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,640
uh title 15 amendment in there. So if

846
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,080
you have questions some of those

847
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,640
questions might be answered within there

848
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,279
of of what's changed. If it's not yeah

849
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,440
feel free to come up just like Karen did

850
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,120
there. But I should have alluded to that

851
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,960
there. That's not the same thing that

852
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,240
was written two weeks ago. So

853
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,399
>> I I will note that this has not changed

854
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,000
since 5:20 p.m. So

855
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,240
>> yeah, thank you. Appreciate it, Karen.

856
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,750
>> Okay, next.

857
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,840
» Alan Wesman, Spanish Fork. Um I took a

858
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,720
quick look through the uh latest Title

859
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360
15 amendment um and have a quick

860
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,640
question.

861
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960
uh in section two it refers to an

862
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,799
expansion process and says as described

863
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,559
or in in subsection 3 in subsection 3

864
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,240
didn't seem to address that. Um so that

865
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,080
seems to be a gap in the existing text

866
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,480
of the amendment. Um and I would just

867
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,760
call your attention to that because I

868
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,240
didn't see any defined process for

869
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,200
expansion. Um, what I do appreciate from

870
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,919
reading through it, a lot of the uh

871
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:01,600
concerns have been addressed about

872
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,919
water, about noise, about um, heat, and

873
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:08,800
especially about starting it at a lower

874
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440
scale. I really appreciate that to give

875
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,520
it a chance to prove itself before

876
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,200
expanding to the full capacity. I think

877
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:16,399
that's very important. And so that

878
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:19,599
expansion process and especially if it

879
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,800
can include a public hearing as as Karen

880
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,800
just said, I think that would be a very

881
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,399
important thing to make sure that that's

882
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:29,200
clear because that seems to be a gap

883
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,960
unless I'm misreading something or

884
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,280
missing something. Um I feel like we're

885
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,200
not quite baked yet. And so I think that

886
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,119
um the council would be wise not to

887
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:42,800
proceed to vote and approve the

888
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,079
amendment as currently written. Um I do

889
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,440
with my remaining time uh want to just

890
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,639
say that I really feel like people in

891
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,320
this whole process have been acting in

892
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,160
good faith the council valition and the

893
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,880
members of the community at large and

894
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,520
even though there's been disagreement I

895
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,800
feel like it comes from a an honest and

896
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,480
a sincere place people have concerns

897
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,960
people have a desire to proceed on this

898
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,200
project other people want to don't want

899
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,520
to see the project and I think it's all

900
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,760
coming from a good place and I want to

901
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,040
recognize that because

902
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,359
we have concerns about the health of our

903
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:30,800
community and preser preserving and

904
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,520
protecting the values and I think that

905
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,440
it's important

906
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,839
to recognize that

907
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:41,040
we as citizens

908
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,720
have the the capacity to let off a lot

909
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:48,079
steam like a data center might. We have

910
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:51,520
the capacity to generate a lot of heat

911
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,040
and we also have the capacity to

912
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,599
introduce a lot of toxins into our

913
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,160
community with the way that we speak.

914
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,560
And I hope that we are careful as

915
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,400
citizens

916
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,480
to avoid that and to protect our

917
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,960
community, protect each other from false

918
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,640
accusations,

919
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,000
from unkind words, and to proceed and

920
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,320
treat each other as neighbors, and to

921
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,320
keep this issue from dividing our

922
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,440
community. Thank you.

923
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,990
>> Thanks, Alan.

924
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,069
» Anyone else?

925
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:27,280
» Yeah. And I should have mentioned too,

926
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,079
if there's anybody outside or that can

927
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,920
hear me and needs a seat in here.

928
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,839
There's there's the empty ones up front

929
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:36,000
that are reserved for that. Yes, sir.

930
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,520
>> Name for the record, Caleb Cole.

931
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,240
Regulations written in blood are

932
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,800
regulations that had to wait for a great

933
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,040
number of people to die before the

934
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,760
government stepped in and did anything.

935
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,079
Back during the Great Depression, many

936
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,839
work and safety regulations were

937
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:56,640
weakened, relaxed, and eliminated. This

938
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,599
was done to help help the economy.

939
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,079
Instead, what this did was allow

940
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,400
corporations and employers to lie to

941
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,000
their consumers, cause workers

942
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,640
in their environment to be unsafe to the

943
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,599
point of much death, and allowed food

944
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,880
born illnesses and pathogens to infect

945
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,960
many people.

946
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,040
It felt like playing a game of Russian

947
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,240
roulette when eating food. These

948
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,320
regulations written in blood to protect

949
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,040
the people became irrelevant. The

950
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,520
government in times of hardship decided

951
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,800
it was more important to serve capital.

952
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,720
We are seeing this part of history

953
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,119
repeat itself in many ways. The lettuce

954
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,599
at Taco Bell has been infected with a

955
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,680
parasite that has been giving people

956
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,720
awful diarrhea in many states. This has

957
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,119
happened because safety regulations have

958
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,359
quietly weakened without announcement so

959
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:53,119
that companies and government can

960
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,400
prioritize serving capital over safety.

961
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,320
And if you know anything about bricks

962
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,560
and minifigs, you know that the

963
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,200
government prioritized the case of he

964
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,760
who owns capital over the reckless bin

965
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,640
case that had a mountain of evidence to

966
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,520
prove his innocence and the company's

967
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,200
wrongdoing.

968
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,480
The silent priority of the American

969
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,040
government is not to serve the people

970
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,160
but to serve capital. We keep being told

971
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,160
that these data centers are going to

972
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,520
produce jobs. And the data shows that

973
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,720
yes, for every five jobs they produce,

974
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,760
they destroy and automate away

975
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,640
thousands. There are entire office

976
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,359
buildings that are empty now with now

977
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,880
less 10 people. automating the functions

978
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,920
of entire companies. Capitalism for many

979
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,839
years has built this trust with the

980
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:50,079
people that it was forever going to

981
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,400
create jobs. But now it would seem the

982
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,720
focus of capitalism is to build these

983
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,880
data centers and speedrun their

984
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,560
elimination.

985
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,520
This is happening during a cost of

986
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,839
living crisis. And instead of lifting a

987
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:05,760
finger to lighten the burden in the way

988
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,079
that Zoran Manni is showing us how to

989
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,480
do, you are making our lives worse by

990
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,000
choosing to build these data centers

991
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,359
instead. I do not have much of a doubt

992
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:17,520
that this government body will build

993
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,000
this data center no matter what we say

994
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,200
or what we do and will personally pocket

995
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,440
a share of the profits these machines

996
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,400
make so that they can in exchange look

997
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,599
the other way. When the wind of the

998
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:33,680
interest of profit sees these

999
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,160
regulations as an actual obstacle to

1000
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,720
making even more profit, these proposed

1001
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,920
regulations are only performative,

1002
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,560
are empty promises and will be

1003
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,520
protecting nobody when it matters the

1004
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,119
most.

1005
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,200
>> Thank you for your time. Can I can I ask

1006
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,520
one question

1007
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,839
>> to clarify? Did you in your statement

1008
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,480
say that we are collecting money

1009
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,960
individually up here?

1010
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,560
>> It doesn't have to be something that is

1011
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,280
done in good faith or honestly. It

1012
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,720
doesn't have to be done in public

1013
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,119
announcement.

1014
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:10,960
>> Okay. I I just want to say not one

1015
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,560
person up here is taking money from

1016
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,119
anybody

1017
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:13,680
>> or anything.

1018
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,920
>> And I want that on the record.

1019
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,040
>> Or anything else.

1020
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,240
>> Yeah.

1021
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:18,720
>> Thank you.

1022
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,320
>> Thanks, Caleb. Appreciate you.

1023
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,217
coming. Thank you.

1024
00:40:22,217 --> 00:40:27,190
[clears throat]

1025
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,240
Hi, my name is Satie Baliff. So, I've

1026
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:31,920
been up here before, but I just have a

1027
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,839
written statement. Leaders of Spanish

1028
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:35,760
Fork, I'm here to offer another plea to

1029
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,599
give the public and the city more time

1030
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:38,960
to make a decision regarding the

1031
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,000
amendments to Title 15. I was able to

1032
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,920
review the amended documents, which were

1033
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,160
only updated today, by the way, so not a

1034
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,280
lot of time to look at them. Um, but it

1035
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,520
seems some of the address concerns were

1036
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,040
addressed, which I was grateful to read

1037
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,560
through and look, it seems like

1038
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,119
everyone's taking time to do that. Um,

1039
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,079
but what's noticeably missing from from

1040
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,079
this document now as it sits now, are

1041
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,240
some safeguards from the city's side.

1042
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,680
Um, we're seeing more promises from

1043
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,280
Valition's agreement and not codified

1044
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,680
into the zoning laws. And so,

1045
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,400
um, this shows me that we have, uh,

1046
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,119
every opportunity not to regulate what

1047
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:22,720
Valition is wanting to do for their

1048
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,280
facility, but instead shape what type of

1049
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,359
facilities we would want in our city,

1050
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:30,160
how we would want them to be built. Um,

1051
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,359
and then noticeably, uh, it seems the

1052
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:37,520
nitrogen oxide figures were removed from the verbiage, but water

1053
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,319
limits were added in. Um, it should be

1054
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:42,240
noted that nitrogen oxide was not the

1055
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,200
only hazardous air pollutant documented

1056
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,480
in Valition's draft permit for the uh

1057
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,640
air quality document that they

1058
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,119
submitted. Um, I provided to you all of

1059
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:55,200
you a document breaking down some of the

1060
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,200
hazardous air pollutants and linked to

1061
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,599
the full list of air pollutants. Um, but

1062
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:01,839
I feel overall that they just merit more

1063
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:03,440
consideration.

1064
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,319
Um, going through all this, um, it's

1065
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:09,520
just shown me that we have

1066
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,079
we should take more time to just think

1067
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:13,680
about it and be thoughtful in this

1068
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,920
approach. I'm not I'm not trying to be

1069
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,119
contrarian. I just think that for

1070
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,839
something that is uh we're in a new

1071
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:24,560
volatile unregulated space, we should

1072
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,160
really take our time making the right

1073
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,720
types of decisions. That's all. Thanks.

1074
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:34,950
>> Thank you, Satie.

1075
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,680
» Gerald Bills, Spanish Fork. Um, I want

1076
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,119
to say first of all, thank you for

1077
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,079
>> Sorry, we didn't get that.

1078
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,040
>> Oh, Gerald Bills.

1079
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,000
>> Gerald, yes.

1080
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,040
>> Sorry. Thank you.

1081
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,560
>> Um,

1082
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,680
first of all, I just want to say thank

1083
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,520
you for uh taking the time to consider

1084
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,520
public comment. Um, I think it was wise

1085
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,079
to to take the pause a couple weeks ago

1086
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,280
um and um to take some of that comment

1087
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,400
into consideration. Um, I'll be honest,

1088
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,599
I' I've probably done the least amount

1089
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,000
of research on this specific um data

1090
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,079
center um of everybody who's spoken so

1091
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:05,200
far.

1092
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,560
um didn't know about the public

1093
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,000
hearings. I definitely want to keep

1094
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,640
those. Um

1095
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,240
and just in general, I urge you not to

1096
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:13,680
take any action that would go against

1097
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,119
the will of the citizens. Um obviously,

1098
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:18,960
it's hard to get that just from public

1099
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,880
comment. Um especially because sometimes

1100
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,160
the people who feel the most strongly

1101
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,480
are not the majority. Um but it might be

1102
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,839
a good idea to maybe survey the

1103
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,359
citizens, find out what the citizens

1104
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:28,880
actually think about it. Um I'd strongly

1105
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,480
encourage you please not not to force

1106
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,359
this on us. Um, I for one would also

1107
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:38,240
like you to actually

1108
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,839
uh pause consideration on any data

1109
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:41,760
center construction. And this is for

1110
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,680
reasons that have less to do with this

1111
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,200
specific data center and more with my

1112
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,040
concerns about artificial intelligence

1113
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,000
in general. Um, I will say that I for

1114
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,960
one love the AI chat bots. I use Claude

1115
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,520
probably more than I should, but I also

1116
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,240
feel like it's a it's an amazing tool.

1117
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,680
Um that said, where AI is going is not

1118
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,200
chat bots. The future of AI looks very

1119
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,119
different. We're talking about Agentic

1120
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,920
AI. These AI companies want to create

1121
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,839
artificial intelligence with human level

1122
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:15,200
or or higher general intelligence that

1123
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,599
carry out tasks

1124
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:21,520
uh that humans currently do. Um and my

1125
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,280
biggest concern about this is is the

1126
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,720
safety risks. Um not going to have time

1127
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,160
to read this. I actually asked Google

1128
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Gemini to explain the AI alignment

1129
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,400
problem to someone unfamiliar with it.

1130
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,200
Um, but let me just uh let me just at

1131
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,720
least start reading this. Says, "The AI

1132
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,000
alignment is the challenge of making

1133
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,839
sure an artificial intelligence system

1134
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:41,520
wants what we actually intend for it to

1135
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,200
do rather than just following our

1136
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,680
literal instructions."

1137
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Um, and we've seen some examples in the

1138
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,119
news of the struggle that AI companies

1139
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:53,119
are currently having to keep AI aligned

1140
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:56,240
with what they want the AI to do. um

1141
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,760
with um if I'm not mistaken, AI from

1142
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,760
OpenAI, Meta, and Anthropic all um being

1143
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,520
reported as breaking into hacking

1144
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,480
another company. Um this was not what

1145
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,400
their builders intended and yet it

1146
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,760
happened. And this is one of the

1147
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,359
difficult problems with AI and right now

1148
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:16,640
AI is going so fast that um it's hard to

1149
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,560
control it. It's hard to keep it safe.

1150
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,720
So um here's the last paragraph of that.

1151
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,240
As AI systems become more capable and

1152
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:23,760
independent, a small misunderstanding of

1153
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,280
our intent be stops being a minor

1154
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,200
annoyance and becomes a major risk.

1155
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,720
Researchers and AI safety are trying to

1156
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:29,920
figure out how to build systems that

1157
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,440
share human wisdom and intent before

1158
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,280
these technologies become power powerful

1159
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680
enough to cause real harm. Uh what I see

1160
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,040
as a problem right now is that we're in

1161
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,400
a race with the building of these data

1162
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,720
centers that is making it harder and

1163
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,319
harder to keep AI safe because it's

1164
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,400
being developed too quickly. Um so I'd

1165
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,240
encourage you to to vote no on this.

1166
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:46,880
Thank you.

1167
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,910
>> Thanks, Gerald. jail.

1168
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,670
» Anyone else?

1169
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,800
» Hi, my name is James Berkkey and uh at

1170
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,960
last meeting I had a concern about

1171
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,960
potential uh buyers down the road from

1172
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,640
although Valition might have you know a

1173
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,640
really good lineup and stuff. I was

1174
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,800
concerned that maybe you know five ten

1175
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,319
years in the future maybe they got

1176
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:16,079
bought out by Amazon or Google and they

1177
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:19,119
wouldn't be adherent to the uh the

1178
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:20,960
nicities that valition and the the

1179
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,160
considerations that valition would be

1180
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,240
doing but I noticed here on the

1181
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,599
accountability framework that I was just

1182
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,839
kind of going over is uh some other

1183
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:32,480
people were talking was the uh

1184
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,119
sailor ownership change section talking

1185
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,200
about how it will remain with the land

1186
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,839
itself and so that every single any

1187
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:41,440
another company who could potentially

1188
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,200
buy it and purchase it would have to

1189
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,040
remain and you know keep to all the uh

1190
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,599
the covenants the bylaws that we set

1191
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,079
here in the next couple of months. So

1192
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:51,440
thank you for thinking ahead of that.

1193
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,359
That's something that has concerned me

1194
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:54,720
and I'm glad that you could uh kind of

1195
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,160
assuage my fears.

1196
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,680
>> Thank you.

1197
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,400
>> James

1198
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,160
want to talk to people.

1199
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,280
>> My name is Terry Oiler. I'm a longtime

1200
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,760
resident of Spanish Fork. Um lived here

1201
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,599
for 50 years. First of all, I want to

1202
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:13,920
thank each of you for your service. I

1203
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,960
firsthand know the sacrifices that your

1204
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,119
family is making for you to be here

1205
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,599
tonight. So, thank you.

1206
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,200
Um,

1207
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,599
I have not had a chance to look at the

1208
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,880
latest um update on the on the

1209
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,200
development or regulations, whatever you

1210
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,560
wrote down. Um, but I have spent some

1211
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,599
considerable time uh looking into this

1212
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,760
and giving it a lot of thought and

1213
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,520
consideration.

1214
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,037
Um,

1215
00:47:43,037 --> 00:47:43,599
[clears throat]

1216
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,760
I'm not opposed to progress. I'm opposed

1217
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,880
to asking the public to carry risks

1218
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,720
that have not been independently proven

1219
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,680
or contractually contained. Valition

1220
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,839
promises minimal water use, permanent

1221
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:58,319
grid isolation,

1222
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,880
low emissions, and enormous economic

1223
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,000
benefits. Maybe they're right. Um, but

1224
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,520
this is but this is a natural gas power

1225
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,760
generation at extraordinary scale

1226
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,760
proposed by a company that has never

1227
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,400
built this project before.

1228
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,240
Fuel cells may be cleaner than

1229
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,119
conventional combustion, but natural gas

1230
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,200
is not emissionfree.

1231
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,040
Before committing Spanish for work to

1232
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,040
something of this magnitude, we deserve

1233
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,760
independently verified numbers, not

1234
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,920
projections, comparisons, or adjectives.

1235
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,440
Every material promise should be

1236
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,599
enforcable. Hard water and emissions

1237
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,960
limits, permanent grid isolation,

1238
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,960
independent monitoring, meaningful

1239
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,760
financial penalties, decommissioning

1240
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,559
security, and protections that survive

1241
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,359
bankruptcy, foreclosure, sale, or a

1242
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:51,200
change of ownership.

1243
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,040
If those protections aren't in writing,

1244
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,599
the promises don't matter.

1245
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:57,200
Many of us were raised with a warning

1246
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,240
about exchanging things of lasting value

1247
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,040
for the praise of the world. Millions of

1248
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,800
projected revenues and promises of

1249
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,440
innovation can be seductive. But

1250
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,599
stewardship

1251
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,920
means protecting what has been entrusted

1252
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,400
to us, not only for ourselves, but for

1253
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,760
our children and our children's

1254
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,280
children.

1255
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,119
A wise steward does not gamble their

1256
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:20,720
inheritance for the profit of the

1257
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,400
present.

1258
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,319
Maybe valition ultimately deserves a

1259
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:27,280
yes, but nobody deserves a predetermined

1260
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,800
yes.

1261
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,960
Long after tonight's projection promises

1262
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,440
and praise are forgotten, our children

1263
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,000
and our children's childrens will still

1264
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,480
be living with the consequences.

1265
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,480
Do not approve the experiment first and

1266
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,480
negotiate the protections afterward.

1267
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:53,910
I appreciate your time. Thank you.

1268
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,200
» All right. See if I can go quick. Um I'm

1269
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,520
Teresa Pierce, but I go by Teresa Wood

1270
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,280
just for the future. Um so I I'm very

1271
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,640
grateful for everyone who's taken the

1272
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,160
time to talk to me. I know that this has

1273
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,839
been an issue that's important to me and

1274
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:09,359
the people who live very close to this

1275
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:11,599
data center and we've provided you with

1276
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,000
a lot of feedback. So thank you. Thank

1277
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,359
you. Um, a couple of quick asks. As I've

1278
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:19,839
been pondering about this, I cringe a

1279
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:22,720
little bit inside. When this is talked

1280
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,960
along the lines of comparison to a quick

1281
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,599
quack or small business that we want to

1282
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,079
be supportive of, I would prefer that

1283
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,000
this is more talked about in the light

1284
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,839
of open heart surgery. Um, Quickclack

1285
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:38,240
does not touch on every vital part of

1286
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,160
the city from finances to people's

1287
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,160
health, etc. And I think you are

1288
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,319
understanding this and I don't have to

1289
00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:47,119
tell you but it would go a long way for

1290
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,000
the citizens if we talk about it in that

1291
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,920
light. Um open heart surgery is

1292
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,240
something that nobody wants but

1293
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,200
sometimes is useful. Um and only under

1294
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,599
the most ideal conditions and if one

1295
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:01,280
thing goes wrong the whole thing goes

1296
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,520
wrong. So it's not something to rush and

1297
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,599
at the end of the day it is an option to

1298
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,599
say no. it is even if there's a lot of

1299
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,000
tax incentives for the city, you have a

1300
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,760
lot of people who don't want this, maybe

1301
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,319
they can be convinced. Um, but just like

1302
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:20,000
an open heart surgery and a doctor

1303
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,800
having that conversation um please treat

1304
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,119
it that way because for a lot of us it

1305
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,880
is it is um okay and with what's left of

1306
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,960
my time I for someone who couldn't come

1307
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,040
today I've agreed to read a statement.

1308
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,640
This is from Dana Snow. Good evening

1309
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,559
mayor and council members. Valition says

1310
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,880
it mission is to build data centers

1311
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,200
communities can say yes to. Tonight I am

1312
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,559
asking you to recognize that Spanish

1313
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,800
Fork has every reason to say no to this

1314
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,280
proposal. Calling this project off-grid,

1315
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,200
communityfriendly or sustainable does

1316
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,800
not change what it is, a massive

1317
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,720
industrial operation that would generate

1318
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:56,720
hundreds of megawatts of electricity

1319
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,800
from natural gas at the mouth of Spanish

1320
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,040
Fort Canyon. Valition's proposal may use

1321
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,960
fuel cells instead of conventional

1322
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,720
combustion and closed loop cooling may

1323
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:06,880
reduce water consumption. Those features

1324
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,280
do not make the project impactf free.

1325
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,119
According to reporting on the proposal,

1326
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:12,960
the facility may need to generate

1327
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,359
approximately 400 megawatts to provide

1328
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:18,240
250 megawatts of computing power. That

1329
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:19,451
is power generation on an

1330
00:52:19,451 --> 00:52:20,960
[clears throat] extra extraordinary

1331
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,200
scale and it deserves far more scrutiny

1332
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,119
than reassuring labels or marketing

1333
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,280
claims. The company says that data

1334
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,520
center would not rely on local

1335
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,520
electrical grid for normal operations.

1336
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,680
But shifting the energy source from the

1337
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,599
power grid to an on-site natural gas

1338
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:37,040
system does not eliminate the

1339
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,200
environmental burden. It concentrates

1340
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,359
that burden here in our community.

1341
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:43,200
Closed loop cooling is better than

1342
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,960
wasting millions of gallons through

1343
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,280
evaporation. I'm going to skip down to

1344
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,800
the bottom. Um,

1345
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,319
until those protections are

1346
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:53,760
independently verified and legal

1347
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,440
enforceable, the responsible answer is

1348
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,440
not maybe, the responsible answer is no.

1349
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,359
Please reject this proposal. Thank you.

1350
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:01,200
>> Thank you, Teresa. If there's more to

1351
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,200
that, Teresa, you can forward the email

1352
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:10,069
to us if you'd like. Okay. Thank you.

1353
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:13,040
» Brian Pendleton, longtime resident of

1354
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,960
Spanish Fork.

1355
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,079
I'm here tonight to just offer gratitude

1356
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:21,359
and thanks to the mayor and city council

1357
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:23,599
and other city staff members who have

1358
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:26,400
put so much time and effort into this

1359
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,680
important decision. I know that it is a

1360
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,839
heated topic. I know that there are many

1361
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:34,400
residents who have voiced

1362
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,920
their negative opinion, but I also know

1363
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,640
and trust the people that we have

1364
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,599
elected. I work with you. I've lived

1365
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:48,079
here. I play with you. I know your kids.

1366
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,400
And when we use the word steward or we

1367
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,680
use the word trust,

1368
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:54,880
many [clears throat] of us can reflect

1369
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,960
upon how that trust is built over years

1370
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:04,640
of relationships of dealing with you.

1371
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,240
And I trust you. I trust you in leading

1372
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:12,319
this city. I have watched this city grow

1373
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:15,520
my entire life. And it's one of the

1374
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,400
bestrun cities in the entire state, if

1375
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,440
not the entire country.

1376
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,680
Everybody doesn't have to agree with the

1377
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,400
decisions that the mayor and the council

1378
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,920
make,

1379
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,880
but I trust you that you will put guard

1380
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:36,549
rails and implement things that will

1381
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:40,000
be for the best interest of this city

1382
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,359
because of my relationship with each of

1383
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:47,280
you and dealing with you. I've been I've

1384
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,200
served

1385
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,720
fiesta days. I've been a resident. I've

1386
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,680
played golf. I've worked handinand with

1387
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,040
many of you and I know how you work. So,

1388
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,559
I just want to thank you. I was at the 6

1389
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:05,119
and 1 half hour meeting and the open

1390
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:07,119
houses before that and I've listened to

1391
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:10,079
all of the comments,

1392
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:12,960
but I know that many of the residents

1393
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,599
left the meeting before an important

1394
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,760
word was used by one of our city

1395
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,680
councilmans. And I commend you,

1396
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,960
Councilman Oiler, that steward word that

1397
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,920
you used and the fact that you have done

1398
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,920
your due diligence. But many people

1399
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,240
didn't hear that or listen to that. They

1400
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,280
only voiced their negative comments. I

1401
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,400
know that you guys can be trusted. And

1402
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,880
if the decision is to move forward, you

1403
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,880
have my 150% support. Thank you.

1404
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,440
>> Thanks, Brian.

1405
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:54,870
>> Get more of that. Can't yell at us.

1406
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,520
Hi, Steve Warner.

1407
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,319
Um,

1408
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:02,640
I think a lot of people uh instinctively

1409
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,880
are very uncomfortable with this sudden

1410
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,720
explosion in these data centers. Uh, we already have internet, we already

1411
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:11,440
have social media, we even already have

1412
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,599
AI. And yet all of a sudden all of a

1413
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:14,799
sudden they're putting these things in

1414
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:17,119
every town in the country. And I don't

1415
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,599
think uh we really know what these are

1416
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:20,960
going to be used for. I don't frankly I

1417
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,079
don't think you you guys know what

1418
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,000
they're going to be used for. And the

1419
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,920
reason they're throwing these things up

1420
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,680
so quickly in in what seems to be a

1421
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,960
blind panic is because once people start

1422
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,400
to realize what they're going to be used

1423
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,920
for, they won't be able to build them

1424
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,440
anymore.

1425
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,160
Uh I

1426
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,960
the tech companies uh behind this data

1427
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,720
center push, the people behind this data

1428
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,720
center push are not our friends. They

1429
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:46,400
don't like us. They don't like our way

1430
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,559
of life. They don't like Spanish Fork.

1431
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,799
They don't like Mormons. They don't like

1432
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:54,640
the salt of the earth uh agricultural

1433
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,240
Christian community we have here.

1434
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,280
They're against that. I descend from

1435
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,359
Mormon pioneers as I'm sure many of you

1436
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:04,480
do. Our our ancestors did not bleed and

1437
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,040
die to come out here and build Zion so

1438
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,119
that we could then turn around and sell

1439
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:11,200
it off to Babylon. And that's what

1440
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,040
they're building here is Babylon. We're

1441
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,400
going to bring Babylon in. We're going

1442
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,839
to put them over us. We're selling our

1443
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:17,200
land off to them and we're going to be

1444
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:24,319
putting them in authority over us. Uh I sincerely believe that that

1445
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:27,520
you will all regret uh building this

1446
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,079
project if you do so. Uh thank you for

1447
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:30,640
your time.

1448
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,760
>> Thanks, Steve.

1449
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,280
>> Hey everybody, I'm Steve Dunford.

1450
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,079
>> Too many Steves.

1451
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:37,839
especially in a row.

1452
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:39,359
Sorry about that. Hey, my question is

1453
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:41,599
what do we gain?

1454
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,920
What do I, as a citizen

1455
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,000
here, gain? I know what the company

1456
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,359
stands to gain. I know what these big

1457
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:51,200
billionaire corporate entities stand to

1458
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,880
gain. I understand why they would want

1459
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,000
America to have over 4500,

1460
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,960
stop and think, 4500

1461
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,280
data centers have been built or are

1462
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,559
being built in America. Do you know how

1463
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:05,040
many the next country in the world has?

1464
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,280
>> 500.

1465
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,839
Please make that make sense to me. What

1466
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:13,200
do we gain at those magnitude at that

1467
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,079
level with that rampant building there

1468
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,119
can't be constriction there can't be

1469
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,160
methodical thoughtful way forward if

1470
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,000
you're doing it that fast there's no way

1471
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,480
there's no time and like was has been

1472
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,359
mentioned what are they doing with these

1473
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:32,079
data center do you know do you know why

1474
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:33,760
this data center should be built here

1475
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,359
what are they going to do with it is it

1476
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:38,319
simply computing power for AI because AI

1477
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:41,280
has been labeled by Bill Gates as the

1478
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,359
biggest threat to humanity. It's been

1479
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:46,400
compared to the nuclear bomb

1480
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,040
in its magnitude that it has the ability

1481
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,280
to reshape and change our very

1482
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,520
civilizations more than any other thing

1483
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,240
that has ever been invented. And we are

1484
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,200
sprinting towards a future that we don't

1485
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,200
understand.

1486
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,400
And the people who built that future do

1487
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,599
and they are sounding the alarm bells,

1488
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:09,920
telling us we need breaks because we

1489
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,040
don't got them. AI is breaking out of

1490
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,720
sandboxes that have been built to keep

1491
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,119
it contained and infecting other

1492
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,079
companies. We have no concept what it's

1493
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,160
capable of. AI will talk to each other

1494
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,480
in a language we can't understand. Not

1495
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,920
that we don't know the language. We

1496
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,160
can't understand the way that it thinks

1497
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,319
and it goes off and solves problems and

1498
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:33,200
comes back and gives solutions. I hike

1499
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,200
every day. I have hiked every day in

1500
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,799
these mountains since June 27th, 2017.

1501
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:40,400
Let me give you an elevated view of what

1502
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,839
we're doing to this valley.

1503
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:46,319
You guys were destroying it.

1504
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:48,319
I can show you pictures year after year

1505
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:52,079
of this spread of locusts taking up

1506
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,240
every natural resource, every corner,

1507
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,559
every field, everything that made this

1508
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,559
place beautiful, unique, powerful,

1509
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:02,400
connective,

1510
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,960
and we're selling that off to bring in

1511
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,400
as many more people and things that we

1512
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,359
possibly can. We do not understand what

1513
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:13,680
this company's going to do. They don't

1514
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,040
know what they're doing because they

1515
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,400
haven't done it yet. So they can tell

1516
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,400
you anything they want. For us [snorts]

1517
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,400
to simply believe because they shake our

1518
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,200
hands and say we'll do it.

1519
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,680
We will regret that. If this moves

1520
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,799
forward, it needs to be stringently

1521
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:33,200
regulated, codified with ironclad

1522
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,599
protection for the people who built this

1523
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,160
place.

1524
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,119
>> Thank you, Steve.

1525
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,680
>> Steve,

1526
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:49,109
>> anyone else? Yes,

1527
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:50,480
» Tim Sornson. I actually live in

1528
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,640
Highlands, so don't hate me.

1529
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,839
>> He's out only because we got a cop from

1530
01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:57,599
AF that came, so that's close.

1531
01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:58,559
>> That's actually my cousin.

1532
01:00:58,559 --> 01:00:59,119
>> Oh, really?

1533
01:00:59,119 --> 01:00:59,440
>> Really?

1534
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,079
>> Yeah. So, uh, it was actually a great

1535
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,359
thing that he was here. So,

1536
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:03,920
>> Oh, good.

1537
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,760
>> Um, I can say that I actually showed up

1538
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,040
because of him, [laughter]

1539
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,880
>> not because of the not not because of

1540
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,200
the data center. So, I'm an electrical

1541
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,520
distributor. Um, I've I've listened,

1542
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,960
I've watched, I've uh was at that six

1543
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,440
and a half hour meeting that don't know

1544
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,880
how you guys got through. Great job. Um,

1545
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,400
one of the things that I can say that uh

1546
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,559
has been brought up is is why is

1547
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,440
everybody else not doing this? Why is

1548
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,680
Elon Musk not doing this? Why is why is

1549
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,040
Microsoft not doing this? Why are the

1550
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,040
hyperscalers not doing this? Because

1551
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,599
they don't care. They don't care about

1552
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:44,000
what happens to the community. They're looking for money. I can tell

1553
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,640
you looking into and and dealing with

1554
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,400
the the things with Valition and with

1555
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,160
Hunt Electric and um Big Deconstruction,

1556
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,480
um they're they're doing things

1557
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,240
different. Is it new? Yes. Why is it

1558
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,839
new? It costs more money.

1559
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:04,000
It's not as it's not as, you know,

1560
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,440
friendly on an ROI, but it's better for

1561
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,119
the community. It's better for the

1562
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,520
environment. It's it's where data center

1563
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:18,160
construction is going to go. Um, one of the the things that that uh you

1564
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,839
know people were have been saying, well,

1565
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:23,200
what's what's in it for us? Well, $40

1566
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,760
million in tax revenue that goes to to

1567
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,359
our kids to Neville School District

1568
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:31,760
would would be a pretty good boon to be

1569
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,319
able to go in a place to where we have a

1570
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:36,880
problem funding our schools.

1571
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,040
Um

1572
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,520
the

1573
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,839
I think I think the the biggest thing

1574
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:45,200
that I want to make sure that that

1575
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,440
people realize the thing about data

1576
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,680
centers that's been hurting people is

1577
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,680
the fact that it it takes the resources

1578
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,960
from from the people. Um, I think that,

1579
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,559
you know, if you go and you listen to

1580
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,720
Valition, if you go and you look at

1581
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,480
their studies, if you go and you look at

1582
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,359
what the city is is doing and keeping

1583
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:07,599
that um to the to the site and and

1584
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:09,359
making sure that they can't sell it to

1585
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:12,000
somebody that's not going to go be like,

1586
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,319
I think that's a great thing. Um

1587
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:19,200
I I think lastly, you know, I I would

1588
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,000
say um I think you're going to see more

1589
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,160
data centers get built the way that

1590
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,599
Valition's building because of the no

1591
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,240
impact or low impact. Let's not say no

1592
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,720
because there is impact. The low impact

1593
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,640
to the community and the low impact to

1594
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,599
everything that there is. Um

1595
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,760
I think I think Valition's doing that in

1596
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,319
the way that Utah would be proud of. And

1597
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:45,280
I would tell you that as a city that I

1598
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,880
think you should be proud to have that

1599
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,520
data center in your city and you guys to

1600
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,680
be the first to go lead the way.

1601
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:52,319
>> Thank you.

1602
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:56,369
Tim.

1603
01:03:56,379 --> 01:03:57,920
[clears throat]

1604
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,240
>> Hello, my name is Tandra Pena and I'll

1605
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,400
admit my shortcomings. I don't know

1606
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,839
maybe as much as everybody else who

1607
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:06,559
spoke knows about this company or how

1608
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:09,359
it's being built or any of that but um I

1609
01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:12,079
will say that from my understanding and

1610
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:14,799
what I've heard and read a little bit um

1611
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:16,720
this this is a fairly new company and

1612
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,160
from my understanding they haven't built

1613
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,720
a data center like this before and I

1614
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,200
don't understand why Spanish Fork has to

1615
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:28,799
be where they test this. I mean I've lived here 23 years. I've seen

1616
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:30,880
Spanish Fort grow to where it is now.

1617
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,680
And when I was younger, I mean, I

1618
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,520
remember going and playing in the park

1619
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,640
all the time. And I mean, it's just

1620
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,799
gotten so busy, it's kind of some places

1621
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:40,240
aren't safe to let your kid go anymore.

1622
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,839
It's just too busy, you know? Um, and my

1623
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:46,000
biggest my biggest concern honestly is

1624
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,319
like resources. Where this where is this

1625
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:50,240
going? Where's the water coming from?

1626
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,559
Like where are we taking the water from?

1627
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,760
Um, I mean to be honest, the earth is

1628
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,520
dying as it is. We don't have enough

1629
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,440
resources for everybody. There's not

1630
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,079
enough for everyone. And I don't think

1631
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:03,520
we should contribute to this more. The

1632
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,839
earth is literally dying under our feet.

1633
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:08,400
There's one earth. There's nowhere to go

1634
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,599
after this. This is it for us. And I

1635
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,319
think that I mean jobs are great. Yeah,

1636
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:16,720
we need jobs. But the bigger issues is

1637
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,319
like where where are your great

1638
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:20,960
grandkids and everyone after their them

1639
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,839
going to live if there's nothing for

1640
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:26,400
them here? if we ruin this one place we

1641
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,760
have. And I I pride myself in living in

1642
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,599
Spanish Fork. Spanish Fork is a great

1643
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:34,000
city. There's lots of great things in

1644
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,640
Spanish Fork. I love the slower

1645
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,319
lifestyle, but I mean, it's slowly going

1646
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:40,319
away, but I still love it. I love going

1647
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:42,480
out everywhere. And I just think that I

1648
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:43,839
don't I don't think this is going to be

1649
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:46,720
a benefit. And I I I hope this doesn't

1650
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,000
happen.

1651
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,119
>> Thank you, Tion.

1652
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:52,789
>> Thank you.

1653
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:56,079
I'm Teresa White. I live in Spanish Fork

1654
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,640
in the area of the data center, proposed

1655
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,039
data center. And last meeting, one of

1656
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:03,680
you said that once the uh title 15

1657
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,079
amendment was changed that if another

1658
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,680
data center came and wanted to build and

1659
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,599
they met the criteria that there would

1660
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,480
be no, you couldn't say no. Correct?

1661
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,799
Isn't that what one of you said? So, as

1662
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:20,880
San Pete has put said, no, we're not

1663
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,960
going to do this until we figure out

1664
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,400
we're not going to have one. No one's

1665
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,000
approached them apparently, but we're

1666
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,480
not going to have one until we have

1667
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,079
determined what the rules are going to

1668
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,039
be. And all around the country there's

1669
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:34,799
states saying that they're putting a

1670
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:37,680
moratorum on building anymore because

1671
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,240
they didn't take the time to make sure

1672
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,280
it was all the the things were in place

1673
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,640
to put prohibitions and restrictions in

1674
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,400
place before they built them and now the

1675
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,680
residents are suffering. So my appeal

1676
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,359
also as somebody that will be affected

1677
01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:57,359
by this um living close to it, I would

1678
01:06:57,359 --> 01:06:59,680
just ask that you take some time. It's

1679
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:00,960
not going to kill them to wait a few

1680
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,760
more months for you to to make sure you

1681
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,680
have it all in place before you do

1682
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,839
anything. Thank you.

1683
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:14,836
>> Teresa,

1684
01:07:14,846 --> 01:07:15,440
[clears throat]

1685
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,839
>> my name is My name is Stuart

1686
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:19,760
Worthington. I live in Spanish Fork and

1687
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,839
have for the last 12 years.

1688
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:24,720
I'm not necessarily for or against this

1689
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,079
project, but I would encourage um in

1690
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,119
glancing through first I I think that

1691
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:33,440
removing the public hearings is a

1692
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,559
mistake. Um in glancing through this

1693
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,960
document, there are several sections

1694
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,760
that make me pause and there are

1695
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,640
sections that say the city may require.

1696
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,559
For example, under the section for heat

1697
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,559
and thermal effect, the city may impose

1698
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:56,960
um

1699
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,720
lawful site development. I think you

1700
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,599
should require it. Where that says the

1701
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:04,400
city may, I think you should say the

1702
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,160
city shall inspect, the EMS, the fire

1703
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,200
department may. I think they have to. I

1704
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,880
think you've got to put more teeth into

1705
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,880
this thing or we're going to end up with

1706
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,679
something we don't want. And so that's

1707
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:20,880
my request. Please consider changing the

1708
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,120
language on some of those items.

1709
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,080
>> Thank you.

1710
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,279
>> Thanks, sir.

1711
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,159
>> Anyone else?

1712
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,000
>> It's a race. You're You're getting beat.

1713
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,040
You sit down. He's come.

1714
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:35,679
>> Okay.

1715
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:37,359
>> You should never give me a chance.

1716
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,080
>> Move fast. Move fast.

1717
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,560
Also, this three minute thing is wrong

1718
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,159
because that makes everybody kind of

1719
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:47,279
slow down my so I'm proposing we don't

1720
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,920
Kevin let's not do the three minute

1721
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,839
>> when you're the mayor of Palmyer you can

1722
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:54,239
as many minutes as you want down there

1723
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:54,960
>> okay

1724
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,359
>> also you haven't come I invited you to

1725
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,319
come and see the the uh cving and none

1726
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:06,719
of you have made a move out that way and so I'm not sure what's going on when

1727
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:10,159
I was uh uh my parents by I wasn't I'm

1728
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:13,759
not quite that y old but I'm not I'm not

1729
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:15,199
even going to pay attention to the three

1730
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:20,400
minute when they they u uh they were

1731
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,040
invited some of my relatives from down

1732
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,920
in southern Utah some of them were some

1733
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,080
of the Johnson's in Short Creek in that

1734
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,359
country uh but anyway

1735
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:34,080
uh they were invited to go watch

1736
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:39,759
actually be on site for a a bomb last

1737
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:41,440
and and they so they were invited to

1738
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:46,000
watch that. And right now we some of us

1739
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,239
who are have been here for a long time

1740
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,719
are invited to also apply for some

1741
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:54,239
downwinder funds because some of the

1742
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:58,640
things that happened with that Adam mom

1743
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,199
you know affected a lot of us who a lot

1744
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:03,440
of my relatives have died for cancer and

1745
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,199
then I've got about a week left and then

1746
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:10,080
I'm dead too you know but but uh anyway

1747
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,239
uh we need to find out exactly what's

1748
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,800
going to happen. What's going to happen

1749
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,040
before we proceed on with this? The

1750
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,280
other thing somebody mentioned that once

1751
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,920
this is approved, Come on, Mike, just

1752
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:22,400
let's just

1753
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,560
>> You got time. You got turn it off. No,

1754
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,920
you'll get her done.

1755
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:26,800
>> We have a lot to talk about.

1756
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:27,679
>> I come confident in

1757
01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:29,360
>> I'm not going to vote for you again if

1758
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,360
you don't. [laughter]

1759
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,360
>> For the record, he doesn't live inside

1760
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,760
where he could vote for me. He's He said

1761
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:42,239
that since I'm 16. Well, I'm not a citizen of the United States,

1762
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:46,960
but anyway, the uh

1763
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,719
>> somebody you got me all

1764
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:49,840
>> Sorry, you brought it where somebody

1765
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:50,560
else said

1766
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,159
>> she said something about damn it, I've

1767
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:53,520
forgotten what [laughter]

1768
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,760
what she said. Oh, that once this has

1769
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,679
been approved, then it's it can be

1770
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:01,920
wherever. But I live out in Palmyra.

1771
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,840
Well, I right now I mainly live in

1772
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,920
Spanish Fort, but sometimes I'm in

1773
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,159
Palmyra, and that's where all this

1774
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:10,960
development's going to go. I am right

1775
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,199
now within

1776
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:16,080
uh two or 30 hundred yards for from

1777
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,440
where development is right now. And and

1778
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:22,640
the next place that a de or data center

1779
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,400
or data

1780
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,040
uh data center is going to be is out in

1781
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:30,159
that country. And that concerns me that

1782
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,400
that's going to happen. So Mike, I need

1783
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,600
you, Mayor Mike, I need you to put a

1784
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,920
stop to this stupid thing. All right.

1785
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,480
And and not let it go ahead and at least

1786
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,880
for a long time till we find out that

1787
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,440
I'm purposely continuing on.

1788
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:47,120
>> I know. I know.

1789
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,520
>> I'll talk to you after. We'll be all you

1790
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:49,920
and I

1791
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,320
>> because I know also we had brother

1792
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,280
Pendleton, Mr. Pendleton said, "Trust

1793
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,400
trust you guys." That is a bunch of of

1794
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,440
crap. Okay? Because you should not trust

1795
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,199
somebody you should trust. And then of

1796
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:04,640
course you verify.

1797
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,120
>> I I mean I know things about you, Mayor

1798
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,480
Mike. I know

1799
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,000
>> that I have written down when I wrote

1800
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:10,719
the article.

1801
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:11,199
>> I know

1802
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:12,960
>> that that I won't tell anybody.

1803
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,480
>> I know. Thank you. Thank you.

1804
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:16,560
>> But we need to have this thing stopped.

1805
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,239
Okay. I've got another minute or

1806
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:19,920
>> No, you don't got another minute.

1807
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,000
>> Let's Let's let somebody else and we

1808
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,719
don't want to be I'm entertaining people

1809
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:25,040
now.

1810
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,560
>> I know you are. Yeah. I know you think

1811
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,719
you are. Yeah. Thank you, Elden. I

1812
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:31,679
appreciate you coming.

1813
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:33,920
>> Hurry.

1814
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,440
>> I was trying to get you up quick.

1815
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,280
>> But do we get story time after?

1816
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,420
>> We'll get it. You can get

1817
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:39,120
[clears throat] it.

1818
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,679
>> Hello. My name is um MB Pena. She's my

1819
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:44,400
sister. She just came up. Um something

1820
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,920
that's been staring at me the entire

1821
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,280
time through this meeting is the wall

1822
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,120
behind you that says pride in progress.

1823
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,840
Um I think that if you were to allow

1824
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,320
this to happen, we would have to destroy

1825
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,880
that wall. Um, I think one of Spanish

1826
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,520
Forg's biggest pride is our community

1827
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,679
and uh, sorry, this is really

1828
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:03,600
nerve-wracking. Um,

1829
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:04,400
>> being up here.

1830
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:05,760
>> Yeah.

1831
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,520
>> Um, I think our biggest pride is our

1832
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,600
community and our views. Uh, I've grown

1833
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,440
up in Spanish Fork my whole life. And I

1834
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:13,600
think my entire childhood, I've always

1835
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,360
had someone to connect to, somewhere to

1836
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,679
go, something to do. And I feel like

1837
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:20,640
with the development of a data center

1838
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,270
like this, it would just um um

1839
01:13:24,270 --> 01:13:26,480
[laughter] Oh my gosh. Okay.

1840
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:28,480
Um I think it would just kind of destroy

1841
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:30,000
all of those things. I don't think that

1842
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,360
people would be comfortable being

1843
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,800
outside. People would probably want to

1844
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,040
move. I wouldn't want to live here if

1845
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,640
we're allowing things like data centers

1846
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,880
to come here. Um and then also progress.

1847
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,840
I don't think that AI is progressing us

1848
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,320
at all. Um, I think it's destroying our

1849
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,920
communities and our connection to each

1850
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,480
other. And I think progress would be

1851
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,719
connecting us and, you know, creating

1852
01:13:50,719 --> 01:13:52,239
more opportunities for us to get to know

1853
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:53,600
each other and be involved in our

1854
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,640
communities and contribute. Um, like one

1855
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:57,920
of the things I didn't even know about

1856
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,360
this meeting or that this was even

1857
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,440
proposed until two days ago. I don't

1858
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:02,719
think that that should be a thing. I

1859
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:03,920
think everyone in Spanish Forks should

1860
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:04,960
know that there was a city meeting

1861
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,719
tonight. And I think that everyone at

1862
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,400
Spanish Fork should know what's being

1863
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,000
proposed so that everybody has an

1864
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,960
opportunity to come and object or agree.

1865
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,520
Um, and then one last thing, um, or not

1866
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,400
one last thing, maybe, I don't know,

1867
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,719
I'm winging it. Um, when Cole was

1868
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:24,480
speaking, I think it was Stacy and

1869
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:25,840
I couldn't see very well. The guy in

1870
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,440
front of me was like seven feet tall.

1871
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:30,560
Um, one of one of you guys, um, you told

1872
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,560
him that you weren't taking money. And I

1873
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,400
would like to point out that by allowing

1874
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,320
if you allow this to happen, a statement

1875
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,239
like that would have no value as we are

1876
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:40,000
giving you our trust to vote in our

1877
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,560
favor. And most of the people behind me

1878
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:43,920
have expressed that they do not want

1879
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,040
this to happen. And if you allow that to

1880
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,480
happen, you will have broken our trust.

1881
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,120
And I think you should consider that.

1882
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:51,679
>> Thank you,

1883
01:14:51,679 --> 01:14:54,239
>> Andy. Andy, real quick, can I ask what

1884
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:55,120
grade are you in?

1885
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,719
>> Um, I'm I'm in college. Uh, my last

1886
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:01,360
year. Good for you for

1887
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,280
>> It's not It's not easy to get up in

1888
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,440
front of a group like this.

1889
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:06,159
>> You did well.

1890
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:06,880
>> Kudos.

1891
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,120
>> Thanks. Good job. Thank you.

1892
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,880
>> Your sister did good, too.

1893
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:18,870
>> Yeah.

1894
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,719
» Hello. I'm I'm Marie Godfrey and I live

1895
01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:24,640
in Spanish Fork and I haven't lived here

1896
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,480
all my life and I don't have pioneer

1897
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:28,719
heritage or all these fun things people

1898
01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:32,000
are talking about, but I have concerns.

1899
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:37,760
Um, and I used AI to get some questions.

1900
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,159
AI doesn't always give me what I want,

1901
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:43,600
but so I have some questions about the

1902
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,800
fact that we have such warm temperatures

1903
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,960
here. And one of the things is in

1904
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,440
extreme summer heat, air cooling systems

1905
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,880
struggle to keep high heat AI chips

1906
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,560
under safe operating thresholds.

1907
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,640
In turn, operators need to throttle

1908
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,280
their performance. And I would ask that

1909
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,800
they tell you how they're going to

1910
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,440
throttle their performance when they

1911
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:09,360
have these problems or are they planning

1912
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,360
on adding supplemental evaporative

1913
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,400
cooling systems. So these things are not

1914
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,679
been possibly been addressed. Um, maybe

1915
01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:20,480
I missed something. Um, the liquid

1916
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,880
inside a closed loop system is rarely

1917
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,159
pure water. It is concentrated chemical

1918
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:28,800
cocktail, nitrils for corrosion

1919
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,360
inhibitor, biocides, and glycol

1920
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,880
antifreeze. Where is this toxic waste

1921
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,600
recycled? I was told when I called into

1922
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,199
the city today that it's somewhere

1923
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:41,120
north.

1924
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:42,960
So, I'd like to know personally where is

1925
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,280
it going and how are they handling it?

1926
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,239
because we're contributing to that.

1927
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:51,679
Um, and is there a sustainability report

1928
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:54,560
comparing liquid versus versus immersion

1929
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,640
cooling or looking into the on-site

1930
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,239
power generation aspect? Has this been

1931
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,159
evaluated?

1932
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:03,920
Um,

1933
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,880
and I one of my big questions is what is

1934
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,159
the rush? As has been mentioned, there

1935
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:13,040
was ch words changed to may the city

1936
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,760
may. Well, I may have a car accident and

1937
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,400
be dead. I mean, may everything can

1938
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,080
happen May. I think it should say will.

1939
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,719
The city will enforce these things. The

1940
01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:27,600
city will have public hearings. The city

1941
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,560
will do these things. Not may. That's

1942
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,719
just an arbitrary word. That means

1943
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:35,360
because my boss, I could I could give

1944
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,719
someone an evaluation. I may do it. I

1945
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:42,400
may fire them. I may not. May is a big

1946
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,000
word.

1947
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,560
Um, someone mentioned about you all

1948
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,480
being stewards, and I appreciate that

1949
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,880
you put your time into these things, but

1950
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,600
I must address the mayor

1951
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,800
on his own Facebook page

1952
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,480
that some I felt like some of the things

1953
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,880
you were saying to people need to be

1954
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,760
apologized for. Maddie,

1955
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:08,080
you and she were going back and forth, about it, and and you

1956
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,560
know exactly what I'm talking about. Um,

1957
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,880
I felt that it was a little shameful. It

1958
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,760
was embarrassing to me, whether it be

1959
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,840
that I'm a woman or what it is. It was

1960
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,760
embarrassing to me to hear you talking

1961
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,679
to some besides your wife about you're

1962
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:26,480
trying to chisel yourself. That's who

1963
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:28,239
you should be talking to about that not

1964
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:30,239
on Facebook. Thank you.

1965
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:38,070
>> Thank you, Marie.

1966
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,320
» It's been a little while. a long while.

1967
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:40,560
Yeah.

1968
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:41,199
>> Good to see you.

1969
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:43,360
too. My name is Gary

1970
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,120
Buckway. I'm a resident of Spanish Fork.

1971
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,640
I just want to bring, you know, there's

1972
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,480
a lot of people that have, you know, the

1973
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:52,320
concerns that are here and I that I do

1974
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,880
agree with, especially the will and the

1975
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,120
and not the making sure we got all our

1976
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:58,560
ducks lined up in a row for a data

1977
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,960
center. But I want to bring things up.

1978
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,000
Uh my background is that I worked in IT

1979
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,600
for 36 years and taught uh information

1980
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,000
systems at UVU for 40 years. So I've

1981
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,440
been around technology for a little

1982
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:14,000
while. And one of the things I had the

1983
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,320
opportunity of doing was working at the

1984
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,320
law school when the

1985
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,760
um the betnet was opened up to the

1986
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,280
internet.

1987
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,360
It exploded

1988
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,520
and there are all kinds of data centers.

1989
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,440
We can call it a data center. We can

1990
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:33,840
call it the communication centers. They

1991
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,000
all use computing.

1992
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,000
Okay? And they were being built right

1993
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,159
and left everywhere.

1994
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:43,760
So one thing to keep in mind is it's

1995
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,159
going to happen and whether we choose

1996
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,719
not to use it or to use it, the data

1997
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:50,159
centers are going to be built.

1998
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:51,760
Technology is going to be moved forward

1999
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,000
just like it did with the internet and

2000
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,400
other technology that we have. So then

2001
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,080
it becomes the part that if we have all

2002
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,920
of our ducks lined up in the row like

2003
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,640
people have mentioned here for the city,

2004
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,199
for the buildings, for the environment,

2005
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:08,080
for the electricity, for the water.

2006
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,960
Okay, that we know then we should be in

2007
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,480
a very good shape because when the

2008
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,480
internet opened up, nobody had a clue

2009
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:16,560
what was going to happen,

2010
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,040
but it did explode.

2011
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,360
These d these data centers and AI is

2012
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,440
going to happen and it'll have a lot of

2013
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:24,880
good uses. They've already used some of

2014
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,000
it even in medicine working on surgeries

2015
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,480
and some other things that it's helped

2016
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,960
and everybody thinks of the bad but

2017
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,360
nobody thinks of the possibilities and

2018
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,480
the good that it can help humanity also

2019
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:41,040
because they can think so much faster

2020
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,640
and and produce so many viable viable

2021
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,040
information quick so that we can use it

2022
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,600
in a timely manner. And so I just wanted

2023
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,199
everybody to kind of think about that.

2024
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:54,320
Um, we've been through it before

2025
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,400
and this is a new era and it's going to

2026
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,960
happen again and it's our choice as a

2027
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,640
city to decide on whether we want to be

2028
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,199
a part of it or not because it will

2029
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:05,040
happen and there's a lot of benefits as

2030
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,480
a lot of people have mentioned here of

2031
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:08,080
some of the tax benefits and other

2032
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,400
benefits the city can have. And so

2033
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,080
that's basically I want to say thanks.

2034
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:12,560
>> That's Gary.

2035
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,960
>> Thank you Gary.

2036
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,360
>> Gary's network security class was my

2037
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,360
favorite one in in college. just got to

2038
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,080
say.

2039
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:31,910
>> Anyone else for public comment?

2040
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:32,960
» Hi Paul.

2041
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,159
>> Hello

2042
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:35,520
>> commissioner.

2043
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,600
>> Oh commissioner. Yes. Uh Paul Dayton

2044
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,760
from Spanish Fork.

2045
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,120
I just want to say something completely

2046
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,880
unrelated to data centers.

2047
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:47,199
>> Please. 30 years ago this month, um I'm

2048
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:50,159
a student at Pacin Middle School, right?

2049
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:52,560
And I hear these rumors that there's

2050
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,560
going to be this band I've never heard

2051
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,320
of play before in Spanish Fork. The

2052
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,400
band's name was Rage Against the

2053
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,600
Machine. People told me that and

2054
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:04,480
literally I've never heard of this

2055
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,400
before. There was no AI, no internet, no

2056
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,560
way. Well, there was internet, not a lot

2057
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,920
of stuff on the internet. Um, but uh I

2058
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,639
remember thinking um I had to go tune in

2059
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:16,560
to X96 to actually hear what it sounded

2060
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,800
like before. Everybody told me there's

2061
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,480
going to be gangs from LA come to

2062
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,480
Spanish Fork. It's going to be crazy.

2063
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,360
The news story that came up.

2064
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,639
I remember just thinking to myself, a

2065
01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:31,280
rock band in Spanish Fork and and I

2066
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:32,719
heard that one of the songs was called

2067
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:35,120
Bulls on Parade. [laughter]

2068
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,560
not the kind of bulls that we usually

2069
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,520
have at the uh at the rodeo fairgrounds.

2070
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,520
I joked to some of my friends, this data

2071
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,880
center is like the biggest thing to

2072
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,560
happen in Spanish Fork since Rage

2073
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,520
Against the Machine. But um the the

2074
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:48,800
thing I want to say is I really

2075
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,000
appreciate all the work that's been done

2076
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,440
by the city. I appreciate the comments

2077
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:52,960
that you've taken from me here on this

2078
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,760
um data center from the community. I

2079
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,239
love seeing the community participate

2080
01:22:58,239 --> 01:22:59,840
and give their comments. I love seeing

2081
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,000
the feedback. I love you. We may not

2082
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,800
always be well informed um as a

2083
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,560
community. Um we may not be well

2084
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:07,920
informed as city officials and

2085
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,360
everything like that, but going through

2086
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,960
the discussion, I think it's been very

2087
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,760
good. Um and uh I'll just say this, you

2088
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:14,880
know, the city council, I have the

2089
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,880
utmost faith in in what you do. I know

2090
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,280
you're here as stewards as as Councilman

2091
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,719
Oiler said. And um just just take into

2092
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:24,239
consideration that, you know, the

2093
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,480
decisions we make here have a very long

2094
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:30,159
shadow. Um there um there was some

2095
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:31,679
discussion about you know if we don't

2096
01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:33,920
have this data center a possibility that

2097
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,120
pera perhaps it would be a um you know a

2098
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:38,880
distribution facility which was what was

2099
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,800
approved a long long time ago but people

2100
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,120
far before us. So these decisions very

2101
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,960
much have a long shadow. Anyway, thank

2102
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,560
you for your service. Thank you for the

2103
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,239
time you've put into this. I'm sure

2104
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:51,600
you're uh excited to someday move on. Um

2105
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,679
and thanks for making this city truly a

2106
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,120
great place. It really is a place of

2107
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,120
pride and progress. Thank you.

2108
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:02,390
>> Thank you.

2109
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:09,189
» Anyone else?

2110
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:13,280
My name is Brady Redern. Um,

2111
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,000
I didn't prepare any remarks tonight

2112
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,560
unlike two weeks ago when I had big

2113
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,560
spiel because I wanted to get the uh

2114
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,400
data points right. So, I've been

2115
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:23,600
thinking a lot about different things

2116
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,840
that people have been saying. Um, I'd

2117
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,440
like to recommend to my um, fellow

2118
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:32,480
citizens here to uh, go and attend

2119
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:35,280
Spanish Fork 101 to learn more about the

2120
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,960
details about how the city actually

2121
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,199
functions and works. I was in the first

2122
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:41,360
class of that as you guys know because

2123
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,320
we were all in that together. Um, I I

2124
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,080
think a lot of the things that I hear

2125
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,920
from people, a lot of concerns, a lot of

2126
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,840
the questions people have, um, a lot of

2127
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,440
it is kind of like procedural and that's

2128
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:53,040
a great opportunity to learn about the

2129
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,320
details about how the city actually

2130
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,080
works, how things like amendments are

2131
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:57,679
created, just all the different

2132
01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:00,159
processes and how the city functions.

2133
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:02,000
Um, so that, you know, that's just great

2134
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,159
for understanding how how things work

2135
01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:06,480
around here. Um, to let you know, I I

2136
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:07,760
haven't changed my mind or my

2137
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,560
recommendation uh from two weeks ago. So

2138
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,239
yeah, I have a lot of experience in this

2139
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:13,600
domain. I've been working in uh

2140
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,440
specifically building AI technologies

2141
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:18,400
since 2012. I I was building IBM Watson

2142
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,560
at the time. Um and I've been all over

2143
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,159
the place from coast to coast since

2144
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:24,480
then, working on classified AI systems

2145
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:25,679
for the federal government. I've written

2146
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:27,199
AI policy for the Department of

2147
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:29,679
Commerce, uh for Homeland Security. Um

2148
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:31,920
I've done projects at places like INL

2149
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,679
where, uh those are really important

2150
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:37,120
topics. Um so I'm not afraid of AI. I

2151
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,120
use it every day. Uh right now I'm

2152
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,520
building AI products primarily in the

2153
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,840
education sector. So uh I still think

2154
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,159
this is a great opportunity for the city

2155
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:50,239
and uh you know like has been echoed

2156
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:51,840
before I want to let you all know that I

2157
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,800
really appreciate you know you take a a

2158
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,400
lot of hate [laughter]

2159
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,639
um from situations like this. Um but you

2160
01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:00,000
know the great the great thing about

2161
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,320
living in a representative democracy is

2162
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:03,840
that we have elected you and we have

2163
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,760
chosen you to lead us forward into a

2164
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,080
future. Um so while people can give

2165
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,800
opinions and you know check in with you

2166
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,960
and and let you know what they think um

2167
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,320
we have chosen you to take us forward.

2168
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,040
Uh so you know as much as any of us

2169
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,800
actually want to give an opinion and and

2170
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,040
have you listen to us we already made

2171
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,639
that choice by electing you in the first

2172
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:27,679
place. So you know kind of that time has

2173
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:30,639
passed. Um and so we have put you know

2174
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:32,880
our our trust in you. And so you know

2175
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,719
while I think this is a much better

2176
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:36,480
decision living especially so close to

2177
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:38,880
it as I do um than something like a

2178
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,360
cement block plant or uh you know a

2179
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,800
larger warehouse um I I think that this

2180
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,159
kind of a solution that has a

2181
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:49,920
sustainable um a sustainable plan is

2182
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:51,440
much better for the community than any

2183
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:52,880
of the alternatives that anybody has

2184
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,280
proposed. Um, and you know, knowing what

2185
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,320
I do about how the city functions, you

2186
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,920
know, [clears throat] I am grateful for

2187
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:02,159
the time that you've taken to to think

2188
01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:04,400
about this policy and um, you know, and

2189
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,639
execute it in a well-informed manner.

2190
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:09,040
Um, and so, you know, I I don't have any

2191
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,960
um, reservations over the last two weeks

2192
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,280
over my recommendation before. Thanks.

2193
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,510
>> Thank you, Brady.

2194
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:29,110
» Anyone else for public comment?

2195
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,880
I don't know if she's still in here. My

2196
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,360
name is Haley Packard from Smash Fork. I

2197
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:34,400
don't know if she's still in here, but

2198
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,360
the college girl, I am I just turned 40

2199
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,120
and it's absolutely terrifying to be up

2200
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:44,080
here, so I can concur. Um, before I read

2201
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,639
what I wrote down, I just want to give a

2202
01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:49,120
little bit of a story. I I learn off of

2203
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:53,120
parallels and I work and do uh events at

2204
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,600
my my job and of course you do all the

2205
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,520
planning and all the things to make sure

2206
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,199
it's going to run smoothly but of course

2207
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:00,719
there's a lot of unknowns things that

2208
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:02,800
you can't control things that you didn't

2209
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:05,520
expect a variable completely outside of

2210
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,520
the event itself that it does affect you

2211
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,679
and sometimes you know it goes great and

2212
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:14,320
sometimes it doesn't and it falls on my

2213
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,639
head and it's not very fun but it

2214
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:17,760
happens. And so with that being said,

2215
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:18,960
I'm just going to move into this what I

2216
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,520
wrote. Um something to keep in mind, the

2217
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,280
US administration is currently seeking

2218
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,400
to restrict state regulations on AI. To

2219
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,920
clarify, they're directing the Justice

2220
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,920
Department to challenge state laws

2221
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,400
regulating artificial intelligence. This

2222
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,320
includes the establishment of an AI

2223
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,800
litigation task force to sue states over

2224
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,679
their AI regulations.

2225
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:41,840
Please consider this if this does come

2226
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,239
to fruition fruition as it removes the

2227
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:45,920
ability for our city, let alone our

2228
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,320
state to properly step in on behalf of

2229
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,040
its people. With so many unknown

2230
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,840
scenarios and variables and even more

2231
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,280
legitimate concerns surrounding this

2232
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,520
topic, both of which will compound into

2233
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,440
serious consequences if not properly

2234
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:02,080
meticulously scrutinized.

2235
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,440
It's all things that we definitely need

2236
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:05,679
to be considering for ourselves as well

2237
01:29:05,679 --> 01:29:08,880
as our future. Please consider

2238
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,639
to keep this a public discussion as it's

2239
01:29:12,639 --> 01:29:14,480
not something worth rushing. Thank you

2240
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:15,120
for your time.

2241
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:20,390
>> Thank you.

2242
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:29,030
Anyone else?

2243
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,639
Hello. Hello. I'm James Westwwater,

2244
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:36,719
a a long time 20 plus year resident of

2245
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:40,719
Spanish Fork and so far I'm very happy

2246
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:44,000
living here and I hope that happiness

2247
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,000
will continue

2248
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:51,280
and I just wanted to remind um council

2249
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:55,520
of what uh I quoted General Omar Bradley

2250
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:58,560
of saying um quite a while ago and I

2251
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,280
think that Bill Gates would agree.

2252
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,960
The world has achieved brilliance.

2253
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,840
He's talking about technology. The world

2254
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:11,600
has achieved brilliance without wisdom,

2255
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,040
power without conscience.

2256
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,639
Ours is a world of nuclear giants and

2257
01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:22,800
ethical infants. We know more about war

2258
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,159
than we know about peace, more about

2259
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:30,880
killing than we know about living.

2260
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:35,600
If we continue to develop our technology

2261
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,080
without wisdom,

2262
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,520
our servant, in this case AI data

2263
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:46,800
centers will become our executioner.

2264
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,480
Close quote.

2265
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:51,920
May city council have the conscience and

2266
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:56,719
wisdom to not permit a data center to be

2267
01:30:56,719 --> 01:30:59,840
built in Spanish fork. It would be

2268
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,120
harmful to our health, the health of the

2269
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,080
environment and the quality of life on

2270
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:10,239
which we, our children, nature and the

2271
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:13,040
future depend. Thank you.

2272
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:17,750
>> Thank you, James.

2273
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:23,270
Anyone else for public comment?

2274
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,360
» Okay, perfect. Thank you all. Thank you

2275
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,440
for participating and and thank you for

2276
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:28,960
uh for keeping it to the time everybody

2277
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,880
but Elden, you didn't keep it, but

2278
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,080
everybody else did.

2279
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,800
>> Thank you for that. Uh the that agenda

2280
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,040
item that every everybody was here to

2281
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,719
talk about is a little bit later on the

2282
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:41,199
agenda, so we have some other things to

2283
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:43,760
get to before that, but it it won't be

2284
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,520
very long. So, I'd encourage you if you

2285
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,480
had questions to uh to stay here and and

2286
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:51,679
u and be part of that discussion uh just

2287
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:54,560
in in a little bit here. Um you guys

2288
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,440
okay for break right now or not a break?

2289
01:31:57,440 --> 01:31:58,960
You don't need a break. You're good.

2290
01:31:58,960 --> 01:31:59,280
>> Okay.

2291
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,000
All right. Um our next item uh

2292
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,000
agenda goes to council comments where

2293
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,760
the council reports on meetings they've

2294
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,120
been to or what's happened uh in their

2295
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,120
represented life of the city over the

2296
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,199
last couple of weeks. So, we'll start

2297
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:16,000
council comments with councilwoman Beck

2298
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,360
because she was looking at me like she

2299
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:18,320
wanted to.

2300
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:19,679
>> You never start with me. So, I was just

2301
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:20,400
going to see who you were going to

2302
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:20,639
choose.

2303
01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:21,920
>> We'll go councilwoman Beck, then we'll

2304
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:23,600
go Councilman Marshall, then we'll come

2305
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:24,960
back to you, Councilman Took. Is that

2306
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:26,400
all right? All right. Councilwoman Beck.

2307
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,880
>> I studied data centers and then I also

2308
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,400
attended a library board meeting. I

2309
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,239
wanted to report that September is

2310
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:35,280
National Library Card Signup Month. So,

2311
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,600
all new accounts this month will receive

2312
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:41,199
a library tote. Also, the library closed

2313
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,120
its summer reading program and had the

2314
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,840
biggest best turnout yet. This year's

2315
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,239
program um had 1,800 children, teens,

2316
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:54,239
adults completing the program. And um

2317
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,159
our library director just wanted me to

2318
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:57,840
be sure to thank the businesses that

2319
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,560
supported that, including Swig, Crumble,

2320
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,520
Nothing But Cakes, Macy's, Walmart,

2321
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,400
Hampton in Brookers, Ice Cream, and

2322
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,239
Lowe's. So, thanks to the library. Um,

2323
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:12,880
also, oh, and then I studied data

2324
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,800
centers and then I went to a fiesta

2325
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,400
days. I went with our current chair to

2326
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,120
ask our in a new couple for the incoming

2327
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,840
chair. Can I get a drum roll? We need to

2328
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,360
make this exciting. It's going to be a

2329
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,639
long night, guys. Jared and Tammy

2330
01:33:30,639 --> 01:33:34,800
Hansen, both SF University graduates.

2331
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,520
So, they are excited to join us. Um,

2332
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,120
it's just a three-year commitment, a

2333
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,440
meeting every month, commit half your

2334
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:43,679
month of July being in 100 degree

2335
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:45,760
weather, but they do get a free t-shirt

2336
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,679
out of it, and that tipped them over the

2337
01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:48,880
top. [laughter]

2338
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:49,760
>> That's true.

2339
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,320
>> Okay. And then after that, that day I

2340
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,239
spent a couple hours studying about the

2341
01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:57,920
data center. And I also want to announce

2342
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,920
that we have wrapped up the 2026 season

2343
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,560
for yard of the week. So, I wanted to

2344
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,400
thank my committee for nominating

2345
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,520
people, voting, and especially thank the

2346
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,920
residents that really take good care of

2347
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,040
their yards. I know that takes time,

2348
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,560
money, energy, and it's fun to go out

2349
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,719
and recognize people. They get a sign,

2350
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:23,360
they get an official letter, they get

2351
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:26,560
social media shoutouts. So, that's over.

2352
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,719
I I took the last sign out last night.

2353
01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:30,639
And then after that, I studied about

2354
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:34,080
some data centers.

2355
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,639
Yard of the week doesn't go into the

2356
01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:38,880
fall for cleanup. You have to be able to

2357
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:39,920
be mowing your yard.

2358
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:41,679
>> I just barely got my yard green. Like,

2359
01:34:41,679 --> 01:34:42,960
come on. It's time for my [laughter]

2360
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:43,840
yard.

2361
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:44,800
>> I saw some yards.

2362
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,000
>> Rain has been helpful.

2363
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:46,639
>> It has been helpful.

2364
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:50,080
>> Yards that had piles of uh uh hail in

2365
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,560
them last week. So, yeah, pretty crazy

2366
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,719
times. Thank you, Councilwoman Beck.

2367
01:34:54,719 --> 01:34:56,000
Councilman Marshall,

2368
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,880
>> um echo everything you just said. um a

2369
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:01,920
little bit of data center studying,

2370
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,320
reading every single email. I didn't get

2371
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:05,679
a chance to respond to every single

2372
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:08,800
email, but read them all. Um not only

2373
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:10,800
are we not getting a kickback, I can't

2374
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,520
even compete for yard of the week

2375
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,360
>> because I'm on city council.

2376
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:15,679
>> Um

2377
01:35:15,679 --> 01:35:18,400
>> nor would you win.

2378
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,719
>> I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm going to

2379
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:22,159
make this all the things you've said to

2380
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:23,520
me as light-hearted as I can.

2381
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,040
>> All the things you've said to me. Um,

2382
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,679
no, seriously, the the response has been

2383
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:29,679
great. I appreciated all the feedback.

2384
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:31,440
Um, and we'll probably get into this

2385
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:34,560
later on, but uh the the the folks that

2386
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,520
took the time to say here's specifically

2387
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,560
why I don't want this here was extremely

2388
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,440
helpful. Um, just saying I don't want it

2389
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:45,679
was I get it. I understand that a lot.

2390
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:48,239
Um, but saying exactly why, here are the

2391
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:50,719
things that bug me about the proposal or

2392
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:53,120
our code or whatever. Very, very helpful

2393
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,360
for us. Um, so thank you for doing that.

2394
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:56,960
Thank you everyone for taking the time.

2395
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,320
Phone calls, texts, um, emails. I I

2396
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:01,679
studied data centers for the last two

2397
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:04,960
weeks. That's it. That's what I did. Um,

2398
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:06,560
I traveled a couple times for work,

2399
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,159
study on the plane for data centers. So,

2400
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:10,400
it's been a lot. Um,

2401
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,000
we do take this super serious and and we

2402
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,000
wouldn't be up here if we didn't. So,

2403
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,199
again, thank you for your time and

2404
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:18,880
effort to to give us feedback.

2405
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:20,159
Appreciate it. That's it for me, Mayor.

2406
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,080
>> Thanks, Councilman Marshall. Councilman

2407
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:24,239
Tuk. Okay. Thank you, mayor. As those

2408
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:26,080
before me have indicated, I too have

2409
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,080
spent the last two weeks uh intensely

2410
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,320
studying data centers and and your

2411
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,000
concerns and questions. And I I I've

2412
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,159
often thought if I had studied this hard

2413
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:35,520
in college, I would have gone a lot

2414
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:36,880
further in life and uh probably been

2415
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,440
validictorian or something. So, it's

2416
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:40,960
been super insightful and I appreciate

2417
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,159
all of those of you who are here

2418
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:43,760
tonight. Uh you know, this is a

2419
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:48,080
democracy sharing your your feelings and what you want and and we represent

2420
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,159
you. So, thank you. Uh, as far as

2421
01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:52,080
announcements go, I do have a couple

2422
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,199
things here for you. First of all, I

2423
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:54,560
want to give you all an update the city

2424
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,119
on the new public works building. Uh,

2425
01:36:57,119 --> 01:36:59,280
it's we're in the design phase right now

2426
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,520
and it's it's absolutely fascinating to

2427
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,080
watch that come together and uh to see

2428
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:06,239
what's coming together. I'm excited. Uh,

2429
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,000
it's going to take a while, but it's

2430
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,920
definitely happening. And if you don't

2431
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:11,920
know, right now public works is spread

2432
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:13,280
out throughout the city. It's our

2433
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:16,159
largest division and we want to bring

2434
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:17,600
everyone together. And so that's what

2435
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,280
this building will do. and I'm just very

2436
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,280
excited about to be part of that team.

2437
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:22,800
So, I'll give more updates as that

2438
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,040
continues to prog continues to progress.

2439
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,040
Uh so, our my next set of announcements,

2440
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,639
there's just a couple here and that they

2441
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,560
come from the Chamber of Commerce. And

2442
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:31,920
so, our president, she had to leave

2443
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,320
early. Uh but I wanted to just share

2444
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,159
some things from her in regards to our

2445
01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:37,760
business community here in Spanish Fork.

2446
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,239
And so, uh just three or four things

2447
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:42,400
here. First of all, uh there's a ribbon

2448
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,320
cutting this Thursday on the 3rd of

2449
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,080
September at noon. It's for a new

2450
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,239
company called Stone and Soul Wellness.

2451
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:52,400
And so that's an exciting new ad to the city.

2452
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,560
We also have a ribbon cutting next or

2453
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,119
Monday the 14th of September. Uh that's

2454
01:37:57,119 --> 01:38:00,000
for a company called Levette Wealth.

2455
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,480
So another good one.

2456
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:04,800
That's at noon on the 14th. And then we

2457
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,040
have uh let's see new networking

2458
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,400
lunchon. This is something that the

2459
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,400
chamber does every month. That will be

2460
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:11,920
on the next one will be on September

2461
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,800
17th at noon. uh the networking game day

2462
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,600
edition is what this is called and uh

2463
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,760
it'll be the Spanish Fork Sports Park is

2464
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,440
where that will be held. So that's a new

2465
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:22,560
networking lunch. If you're interested

2466
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,000
in attending and being a part of that,

2467
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:25,679
let me know. Please reach out. And then

2468
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:27,119
the last announcement I have from

2469
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:29,440
Kathleen is that on Thursday, September

2470
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:31,679
24th, we have the the Chamber of

2471
01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:34,239
Commerce uh business summit. And that'll

2472
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:36,159
be from 9:00 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the

2473
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:37,760
Spanish Fork Fairgrounds just down the

2474
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:40,239
street here. Uh there's advertising

2475
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:41,520
that'll be going on on social media and

2476
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:42,880
so forth, but if you have any questions,

2477
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,480
please reach out. I will also let

2478
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:46,159
Kathleen next council meeting on the

2479
01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:48,480
15th, she'll give more updates on a

2480
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:50,159
couple of these things and then also on

2481
01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:51,600
the business summit that'll be coming up

2482
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,760
nine days later. But lots of exciting

2483
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:54,880
things happening in our business

2484
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:58,080
community here in the city. And that is

2485
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,119
all I have. Mayor,

2486
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:01,440
>> perfect. Thank you, Councilman Tuk and

2487
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:02,880
Councilman Carden.

2488
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,280
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um I wanted to we

2489
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:06,560
talked about it earlier about Horse Moon

2490
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,080
Har and Wings and Wills. So, that's

2491
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,400
something that I um I'm a part of. But

2492
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:11,600
one of the things that was mentioned is

2493
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,480
how many volunteers we have. I think 50%

2494
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:15,920
of them come from the youth city

2495
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:17,199
council. I'm always going to give them a

2496
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:19,600
shout out. And we also have I won't I

2497
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:20,800
won't embarrass them too much, but we

2498
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,080
have a member of the city council who

2499
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,800
has been I think she spent almost the

2500
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,560
entire six hours last time and she's

2501
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,280
already made it through. We're almost to

2502
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,119
two hours now. So, who knows how long

2503
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:32,880
she'll last there, but thank you. Thank

2504
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,400
you for taking your responsibility

2505
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,280
seriously. Um, one of the things that

2506
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:40,159
has been really insightful and really

2507
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:42,560
awesome the last two weeks is the amount

2508
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,239
of public engagement that has been

2509
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,400
around this process. No matter if it's

2510
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,199
been for or against or neutral and just

2511
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,040
want to share thoughts, it's been

2512
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,560
awesome. And some of those emails have

2513
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,639
been really helpful. Um, not to to call

2514
01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:56,080
them out. one email that I that I

2515
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:57,679
received and they're in the room. Um,

2516
01:39:57,679 --> 01:39:59,679
but they sent the email and it had an

2517
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:01,920
attachment with links in the attachment

2518
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,679
that made it really easy to go and find

2519
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:05,199
the sources that they're talking about

2520
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:07,119
and give information. So, thank you.

2521
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:08,880
for doing that. Um,

2522
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,320
unfortunately, I think Councilman

2523
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:12,159
Marshall talked about it. It was near

2524
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:14,400
impossible to reply to everyone. I

2525
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,320
started trying to and I failed

2526
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,560
miserably. So, I apologize for that. Um,

2527
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,639
but thank you for being engaged. Um, I

2528
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:21,920
think that to some of the comments

2529
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,960
tonight, um, it goes to show I our room

2530
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,159
is never this packed. Um, especially at

2531
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:31,199
this hour or at 10:30 at night as the

2532
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:33,040
other one, but I think it goes to show

2533
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:34,639
that there is some there is that level

2534
01:40:34,639 --> 01:40:36,320
of trust. But thank you for being

2535
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,080
involved. Thank you for being a part of

2536
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:39,600
what we're doing um, and caring about

2537
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,920
the city that we represent. One of the

2538
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,560
things I want to just mention is that

2539
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,400
there the six of us and I would include

2540
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,199
that to the city staff is that we love

2541
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:51,360
the city of Spanish Fork and no matter

2542
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,719
if we disagree, agree or whatever we do,

2543
01:40:54,719 --> 01:40:56,400
we're doing it because we think that

2544
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,400
that's what's best for Spanish Fork. And

2545
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:59,760
as we work through this process, I don't

2546
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:00,960
think it'll be any different. That

2547
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,080
however whatever everyone does, I think

2548
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:05,280
it will be because they think it's

2549
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,719
what's best for Spanish work. And I

2550
01:41:06,719 --> 01:41:08,400
don't know what they're what everyone up

2551
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:10,000
here is thinking at this moment. I just

2552
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,960
say that to say um I I do believe that

2553
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,480
everyone has the best intentions in what

2554
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:15,920
they're trying to do. That's all I got.

2555
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:16,480
Mayor,

2556
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,480
>> thanks Councilman Cardon. Councilman

2557
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:19,119
Oiler.

2558
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:21,280
>> Thank you, Mayor. I'll talk about data

2559
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:22,639
centers in a little bit when we get

2560
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:24,560
there. I've got a lot on my mind to

2561
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,159
share about that, but for now, let's

2562
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:28,800
talk about taxes.

2563
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,119
>> I want to talk a little bit about the

2564
01:41:31,119 --> 01:41:32,239
city's

2565
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:34,560
>> agenda. Sorry. [laughter]

2566
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,560
>> The city's wrap tax. If you're not

2567
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:38,080
familiar with our wrap tax, it's

2568
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,960
recreation, arts, and parks. Seth or

2569
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,280
Bronco, maybe you can remind me. It is

2570
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:46,400
one cent of every how much?

2571
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:47,440
>> One cent on 10.

2572
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:50,239
>> One cent of every $10 that we spend in

2573
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:52,880
stores gets set aside towards towards

2574
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,960
our wrap tax. I sit on the city's RAP

2575
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,600
committee where grants from residents

2576
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,440
and and organizations within the

2577
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:03,040
community submit a grant and say, "Hey,

2578
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:08,239
we would love to get some wrap taxes to go towards this or that." And so

2579
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:10,000
today, I want to show you one of the

2580
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,840
grants that was submitted and what the

2581
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,239
end result was. So, we received a grant

2582
01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:20,080
from the Nebo composite mountain bike

2583
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:25,199
team to put a track, a pump track down

2584
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:26,960
by the sports park along the river

2585
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:30,080
trail. If anybody lives in this area or

2586
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,000
walks the river trail in this area,

2587
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,440
you'll see that kids already have

2588
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:37,440
through the years over time, even my own

2589
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:39,360
kids back when they were small, created

2590
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,800
their own trails and bumps and jumps and

2591
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,639
everything. and and this group said,

2592
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:49,679
"Why don't we find a designated location

2593
01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:51,920
where we can put in a really nice

2594
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,560
quality track that our youth and our

2595
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,199
kids can use?" And so I want to show you

2596
01:42:57,199 --> 01:42:58,800
some of the videos. If you can click on

2597
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:03,920
one of those for me, David, this is what the city just within the

2598
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,400
last week or two has put in down down

2599
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,080
there. Hopefully this will play. All

2600
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,280
right. That's my little guy loving it.

2601
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,280
Um,

2602
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,440
every time that I've walked by, other

2603
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:18,320
than after the rainstorms and there were

2604
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:20,960
deep, deep puddles, there were probably

2605
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:22,639
still kids that were riding their bikes

2606
01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:24,480
and playing in it. But it is getting

2607
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:26,159
heavily used. If you go to the next

2608
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:31,040
video, David, you can see some of the use that's taking place. And

2609
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:32,560
this is without too many in the

2610
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:34,159
community even knowing that it's there

2611
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:38,320
yet. So, just wanted to show how our

2612
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:40,639
community wrap taxes are being used to

2613
01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:43,679
benefit the youth in our community. So,

2614
01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:45,440
great job to our parks and rec

2615
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:48,960
department, Bronco. Let Bart and anyone

2616
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,360
else that was involved in this project

2617
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:54,000
know it is being heavily used and much

2618
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,880
appreciated by my 11-year-old and I'm

2619
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,280
sure many other youth in our community.

2620
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,040
>> I'm going to bring the Gen X version of

2621
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,719
that, pictures of that next time.

2622
01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:04,560
>> Oh, yeah. which is just a wood thing in

2623
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,960
front of my house built up on center

2624
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:07,440
blocks

2625
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:09,920
>> back back when you still got your

2626
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,040
skateboard.

2627
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,520
>> No. [laughter]

2628
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:19,910
>> All right. Thank you.

2629
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:20,639
» Who did that?

2630
01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:22,719
>> Oh, who like who installed it for the

2631
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:24,639
city? Bronco, do you have the the

2632
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:26,320
contact info of who? I know it's

2633
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:27,920
Shephardd's, but I can't remember

2634
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:29,920
exactly the business name that we hired.

2635
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:30,800
>> I don't I don't know their business

2636
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,440
name. of his Shepherd brothers from uh

2637
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,679
from here and uh they did just complete

2638
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:37,360
it, but we still need to put a fence.

2639
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,840
So, if you're walking by and those young

2640
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:41,760
kids or the mayor comes flying out on a

2641
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,760
bike, just enter with caution for a

2642
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:44,000
minute

2643
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,040
>> and be careful. Okay.

2644
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:46,880
>> Yeah.

2645
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,520
>> Thank you. Um next item, I want to turn

2646
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:52,480
some time over to Caleb Pollock, who's

2647
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:54,639
our chairman of the Historic

2648
01:44:54,639 --> 01:44:57,360
Preservation Commission. Caleb's got a

2649
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:58,960
presentation that he's going to share

2650
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:03,040
with us and he's going to talk about a

2651
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:04,719
we talked about wings and wheels, we

2652
01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:06,719
talked about harvest moon harrah.

2653
01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:09,520
Squished in between those on the 18th we

2654
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:11,280
have another event that he's going to

2655
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,719
share with us. So Caleb, the time is all

2656
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:20,629
yours.

2657
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:22,560
Good evening, mayor and council. It's

2658
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,239
wonderful to be with you. Um,

2659
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:26,400
everybody's been apologizing me to me

2660
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,840
tonight that I've had to wait and I've

2661
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:31,199
said, you know, it's great. I just

2662
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:32,639
pulled out the history books off the

2663
01:45:32,639 --> 01:45:35,040
shelf and got a little reading in and

2664
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,119
had some snacks left over from work, so

2665
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:39,520
I'm having a great night. Um, it's not

2666
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,199
nine o'clock yet, so that's good, too.

2667
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:42,480
Um, [laughter]

2668
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:46,159
but uh um just really again just an

2669
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:48,239
honor to be with you tonight. um the

2670
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:49,840
last two and a half years that the

2671
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,679
Historic Preservation Commission has

2672
01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:53,920
existed, um we've had a lot of really

2673
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:55,360
wonderful initiatives that we've been

2674
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:58,480
able to work on and do for the

2675
01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:00,400
community. Um but this is probably our

2676
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,119
largest yet and it's uh very exciting to

2677
01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:04,320
share with you what we've been able to

2678
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,960
do. So this year of course is the 250th

2679
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,760
anniversary of the United States of

2680
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:14,000
America and it is also very fun to be

2681
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,199
celebrating the 250th anniversary of the

2682
01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:20,960
Dominguez and Escalani expedition. Now

2683
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:24,320
why is that important? Well, it's the

2684
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:27,040
reason that our city is named Spanish

2685
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,400
Fork. And also Jack, did do you have a

2686
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:32,560
clicker?

2687
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:36,320
We can work on that. Okay. Um,

2688
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,080
so it's the reason that our name, our

2689
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:40,080
city's name is Spanish Fork. Um, there's

2690
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,159
some history that goes behind that. Um,

2691
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:43,600
but what we were able to do as a

2692
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:44,800
commission, we said we want to do

2693
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:46,560
something big to really highlight this

2694
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,440
anniversary that is key to our city's

2695
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:53,280
history. And so, um, in June of this

2696
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:54,960
year, you might recall that Senator

2697
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,360
Curtis, he did his big walk from Bear

2698
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:00,960
Lake to Provo where he walked 250 miles.

2699
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:02,880
So, that sparked some Oh, yeah. Thank

2700
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,440
you. That sparked some ideas in our

2701
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:06,639
minds and we said we want to do

2702
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:08,320
something really big and we said well

2703
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,719
wouldn't it be cool if we connected all

2704
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:13,520
the cities between Santa Fe, New Mexico

2705
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:15,520
where this expedition started and

2706
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,600
Spanish Fork and we started looking at

2707
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,679
that and to see what it would take and

2708
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:22,639
that's what we decided to do. So, um,

2709
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:24,719
obviously the most synonymous thing in

2710
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:26,800
our city with this anniversary is the

2711
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,440
cross on the hill. And, um, I just want

2712
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:31,760
to share a quick quote with you. Um,

2713
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,000
from the official report that was sent

2714
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,800
to King Carlos III of Spain to Madrid

2715
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,280
about our city. The most pleasant,

2716
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,840
happy, and fertile in all New Spain. It

2717
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:43,600
is alone capable of supporting a

2718
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,679
populace as great of that of Mexico

2719
01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:48,159
City. At that time in 1776, the

2720
01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:49,679
population in Mexico City was about

2721
01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:52,080
100,000 people. its inhabitants would

2722
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:53,679
enjoy many conveniences since it

2723
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:55,840
possesses everything necessary for the

2724
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,600
maintenance of human life. Now, I don't

2725
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,520
know if that included a data center in

2726
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,360
their vision, [laughter]

2727
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:05,440
but they had pretty good foresight.

2728
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:09,520
So, um, of course, if you've ever been

2729
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,280
to the Utah State Capital, you'll know

2730
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:15,199
that on the pendantives of the dome,

2731
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:17,600
there are murals. And one mural is of

2732
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,639
this expedition in this history. And

2733
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:22,239
here's just a copy of the map that they

2734
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:24,000
made, one portion of it. And of course,

2735
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,199
the statue in City Park from 1976

2736
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:31,360
on the other murals in the dome is also

2737
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:32,880
relayed our city's history, which is

2738
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:34,400
very interesting. On three of the four

2739
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,400
pendantives, I don't know of another

2740
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,320
city in the state that can say that. I

2741
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:39,520
don't know of another city in the

2742
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:40,960
country that can say that their entire

2743
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,520
history, founding history is on their

2744
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:44,960
state capital dome. That's pretty

2745
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,760
amazing. But this is John C. Fremont. He

2746
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:49,520
used the maps that Dominguez and

2747
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,639
Escalani created to create his map which

2748
01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:54,320
later would be in the hands of Brigham

2749
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,639
Y. Young and the pioneers in Nauvoo when

2750
01:48:56,639 --> 01:48:58,639
they were planning to arrive in the Salt

2751
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:00,320
Lake Valley. And his map was

2752
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,639
instrumental. So quite literally without

2753
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:04,960
Dominguez and Escalani, Brigham Y. Young

2754
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,440
may and the pioneers may have never made

2755
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,440
it to Utah at the time that they did.

2756
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:10,880
And that could have changed history for

2757
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:14,400
Utah and for so many people forever. So,

2758
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,320
here's the map of the relay that we

2759
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,119
decided that we would take on. Now, this

2760
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:22,000
is including 34 different organizations

2761
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:25,840
and cities across the Southwest. And we

2762
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,280
started reaching out to all these groups

2763
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:28,639
and we said, "Is this something that

2764
01:49:28,639 --> 01:49:30,320
you're going to be interested in?" And

2765
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,960
they all said yes, of course. And so,

2766
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:36,239
this is us in Santa Fe on July 29th, 17

2767
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:39,840
on July 29th of this year. And we were

2768
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,480
able to be there at the exact hour that

2769
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:44,000
Dominguez and Escalani would have left

2770
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,880
at 10 o'clock a.m. on the same street in

2771
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:48,400
front of the same building that was

2772
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:50,239
there. That building is called the

2773
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:51,840
Palace of the Governors. It's the New

2774
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:53,760
Mexico State History Museum and it was

2775
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,159
built in 1610.

2776
01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:58,880
And then we were able to go across the

2777
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:00,800
Southwest visiting different historical

2778
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,159
areas, different groups, different

2779
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,080
organizations. I won't bore you with all

2780
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,800
the details, but as we went through all

2781
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,360
these different places, Spanish Fork

2782
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:10,800
again and again came up and people

2783
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,800
always said, "This is my connection. My

2784
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,320
sister lived there. That's where we get

2785
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:16,080
our meat processed. You guys have an

2786
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,080
amazing rodeo." And on and on and on.

2787
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:19,600
And people just wanted to tell me so

2788
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:21,040
much about how they were connected to

2789
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:24,080
our city.

2790
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,960
And so many stories, so many just so

2791
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,560
many memories. I will remember this

2792
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,360
forever. Um but of course um as we

2793
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:34,480
approach the uh anniversary which is on

2794
01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:36,960
September 23rd, the commission will be

2795
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,440
holding a ceremony in City Park on

2796
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:41,600
Friday, September 18th in conjunction

2797
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,760
with food truck Friday. And we'll be

2798
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:45,600
having a big ceremony. We'll have

2799
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:47,760
dancers and speakers. Um we'll have a

2800
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,080
speaker from the Catholic Dascese. We'll

2801
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:51,600
speak to the history of the Roman

2802
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,199
Catholic Church in regards to this

2803
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:55,040
anniversary. Um we couldn't be more

2804
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,360
thrilled um to be able to be celebrating

2805
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:01,520
this massive milestone. Um in 1976 they

2806
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,920
did a ton of things. They did 23

2807
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:05,840
individual events across the entire

2808
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:07,679
county. We're just doing our small part

2809
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:09,679
to keep the history alive. Thank you so

2810
01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:11,840
much again um council for all of your

2811
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,239
support to our commission. Um it has

2812
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:17,280
been just amazing to have Tara and Pete

2813
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,760
and everybody who is on our commission

2814
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,679
who works with us on city staff.

2815
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:23,760
Councilman Oiler for being our champion.

2816
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,679
It has just been wonderful and a dream

2817
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:27,840
come true for me as a young person. So,

2818
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,320
if you have any questions, um, I'm happy

2819
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,159
to answer those or you can just email

2820
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:34,480
me. Um, but thank you again. This is

2821
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:35,840
>> Will you turn that around so everybody

2822
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:37,520
can see it as well.

2823
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:40,000
>> I feel like we're hogging it.

2824
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:41,760
>> Oh, it's different.

2825
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:45,599
>> Oh, you guys were hogging it.

2826
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:46,800
>> Oh, that's cool. Yeah.

2827
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:49,520
>> So, did we get a grant to fund you to go

2828
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:50,960
do this or were you just like I want to

2829
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:52,800
spend my summer traveling and this is

2830
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:53,360
how you do it.

2831
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:55,280
>> Yeah. Well, we actually reached out and

2832
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:56,800
we said if you want to donate, you can

2833
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:58,960
donate. And they covered the cost of the

2834
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,040
entire thing, all the organizations. And

2835
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,760
this organization at the bottom is the

2836
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:05,760
uh Old Spanish Trail Association. They

2837
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:07,920
were very generous and gave us a $500

2838
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:11,119
grant from their organization. So, um

2839
01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:12,960
just really the phenomenal turnout from

2840
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:15,679
everybody and it was a smashing success.

2841
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:19,119
We'll be going to uh Eastern Utah next

2842
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,440
week and then to the Dascese of Salt

2843
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:24,320
Lake on the 16th and then we'll be we're

2844
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:25,760
trying to plan something up at the

2845
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,440
Capitol building which is still pending

2846
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:29,599
with our state partners and the Museum

2847
01:52:29,599 --> 01:52:32,719
of the Utah and the America 250 Utah

2848
01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:34,400
Commission, but that's up in the air and

2849
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,639
so we'll see. But thank you again. Um

2850
01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:39,280
this has just been really wonderful.

2851
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:41,920
>> That's really cool. Where's that going?

2852
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,159
Yeah, we're hoping to have it downstairs

2853
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:46,639
in the display for a little while. Um,

2854
01:52:46,639 --> 01:52:48,000
eventually it'll probably go live with

2855
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,119
Darla Butler at the at the museum, but

2856
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:52,400
we're excited.

2857
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:53,280
>> That's awesome. Well done.

2858
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:54,639
>> Good work. Yeah. Thank you.

2859
01:52:54,639 --> 01:52:55,119
>> Good work.

2860
01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:55,840
>> Thank you, Caleb.

2861
01:52:55,840 --> 01:53:03,990
>> Thanks, Caleb.

2862
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:05,760
» That's all I've got, Mayor.

2863
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:06,480
>> Okay, that's all.

2864
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:07,679
>> Thank you.

2865
01:53:07,679 --> 01:53:08,239
>> That's it.

2866
01:53:08,239 --> 01:53:10,239
>> Thank you, Councilman Oiler. Uh, yeah.

2867
01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:14,320
Thank you for that video. I sent one to Bronco of It's not just kids on

2868
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,000
there, but if if you're older and get on

2869
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,280
that track, you'll get out of breath

2870
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:20,239
pretty quick. He alluded to it. Uh but

2871
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:23,119
so cool that uh some some people got

2872
01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:24,560
together that know how to do that stuff

2873
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,480
and and donated their time and equipment

2874
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:28,960
and stuff and then got some some some

2875
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,360
funding from a great rap tax, too. But

2876
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,280
you can tell that's going to be a a fun

2877
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:41,840
thing for years and years to come uh for that area. So, that's cool that your kids saw kids experiencing it. Um,

2878
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:43,760
one thing that I want to point out, uh,

2879
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:48,800
downstairs, uh, I told the Jordan, Jordan just left, but Jordan's

2880
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,320
department downstairs, our billing

2881
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:51,840
department,

2882
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:55,599
um, it's, uh, been a hot summer and so I

2883
01:53:55,599 --> 01:53:58,560
know electric bills with the summer

2884
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:02,080
heat, as our resident electrician here

2885
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:05,360
could attest to, but those are not cheap

2886
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,920
to run. and uh and so city bills when I

2887
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,159
saw mine was like well we must have left

2888
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:12,400
the door open the whole dang summer uh

2889
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,360
and uh and just cooled the outside too.

2890
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:17,599
But I want to tell you a real experience

2891
01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:21,360
that that happened of uh of

2892
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:24,320
an older um resident that came and spoke

2893
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:30,800
to me uh and said, "Hey, I've I've got a a bill that's way higher than usual."

2894
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,760
and and I did mention to her, yeah,

2895
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:35,520
those those usually go up in the summer

2896
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:36,719
just cuz we're trying to cool our

2897
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:38,960
houses, but she said it was her water

2898
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:40,639
portion of her bill that went up and

2899
01:54:40,639 --> 01:54:42,880
this is an old older widow that lives in

2900
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,360
town. And and I would confidently just

2901
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:46,960
send her down to the city office and

2902
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,320
said, "Hey, this is who you need to go

2903
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,320
talk to. Go talk to Jordan's people down

2904
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,639
there." And of course, they took care of

2905
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:54,159
her. Saw that there were some readings

2906
01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:57,599
on her bill that were kind of out of uh

2907
01:54:57,599 --> 01:55:00,080
of range. and uh they went and checked

2908
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:02,560
and found the leak at her house. So, she

2909
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,480
hadn't been using water. She had been

2910
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:10,719
losing water. And um she came back to my office um later that afternoon, gave

2911
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:12,639
me a big hug with tears in her eyes and

2912
01:55:12,639 --> 01:55:14,880
said, "Hey, you don't know what $200

2913
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:18,159
means to a to an old widow." And um and

2914
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:22,080
so just again uh compliments to to our

2915
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:23,920
people that take care of people here in

2916
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:27,119
the city. Uh and uh and and help out

2917
01:55:27,119 --> 01:55:29,840
where we can. If you ever see something

2918
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:31,760
kind of out of the ordinary on your

2919
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,599
bill, that's the place to go talk to

2920
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:36,080
them. You can reach out to us online as

2921
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,320
well. But there's friendly faces right

2922
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:42,400
downstairs from where we are and they can help you understand anything

2923
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:45,119
you need on that. Um lastly, before I

2924
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:47,679
forget and anybody leaves, um I

2925
01:55:47,679 --> 01:55:51,760
appreciate uh Marie uh bringing this up

2926
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:54,800
um context of of my uh post. I'm not

2927
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,560
sure if Marie's still here. Is she right

2928
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:59,440
there? Uh um yeah, try me trying to be

2929
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:00,960
funny and piffy. You could probably go

2930
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:04,000
through all of my Facebook uh uh history

2931
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,840
and find that I'm not very funny and

2932
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,280
probably not very pathy and maybe that

2933
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:09,520
didn't land well and uh and so my

2934
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:11,440
apologies. I'm I'm not above saying

2935
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:14,239
sorry to anybody I offended. Um what

2936
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:16,000
you're referencing there is is somebody

2937
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,040
calling the mayor a piece of work and um

2938
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:24,000
and I said uh something to the effect of I'm trying to do more pull-ups to

2939
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:29,760
become a better piece of work. Uh, and I will tell you part of that in

2940
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:33,119
my own life is that a few months ago, I

2941
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:34,719
couldn't do any pull-ups. I couldn't

2942
01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:36,800
hardly do a sit-up or a push-up either.

2943
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,760
And the Fit City Center has u has made

2944
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:41,360
me live up to more of those standards

2945
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,480
than than anything. uh and uh and doing

2946
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:46,960
that with u with a bunch of uh friends

2947
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,840
and and people that do it together uh

2948
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:51,119
maybe gave me a little bit more

2949
01:56:51,119 --> 01:56:54,239
confidence in in in a moment uh to to to

2950
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:57,040
post a video of me doing a pull-up. It

2951
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:58,400
was only two pull-ups, so I can't do

2952
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,719
them very good either. U but uh but

2953
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:02,880
yeah, anybody I've offended in in in

2954
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:06,960
that realm, I apologize. Um

2955
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:10,400
now, uh I think the next item are on our

2956
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:11,840
agenda, if no one else wants to

2957
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:14,126
apologize, do you have anything?

2958
01:57:14,126 --> 01:57:15,440
[laughter]

2959
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,639
>> Just me. Okay. Um we have a consent

2960
01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:20,239
portion of our agenda. Again, there's

2961
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:22,159
three items on the consent agenda. These

2962
01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:24,239
are routine items that have been

2963
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:26,000
discussed. You can see them on the

2964
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,840
agenda if you click on those hyperlinks

2965
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,760
and see what they are. But we have three

2966
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,080
items on our on our consent agenda

2967
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:34,159
tonight. If there's no questions from

2968
01:57:34,159 --> 01:57:36,000
the council, I would entertain a motion

2969
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,560
on the consent items.

2970
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:40,719
>> I move to approve the consent items.

2971
01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:44,639
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

2972
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:45,440
>> Second.

2973
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:47,520
by Councilwoman Beck. All in

2974
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:48,560
favor say yes.

2975
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:49,440
>> Yes.

2976
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:51,440
>> Consent items are approved. It takes us

2977
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:53,599
to the new uh business section of our

2978
01:57:53,599 --> 01:58:00,880
agenda uh that u that I think uh some people are here for. We have

2979
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,040
no other Oh, we do have a a youth

2980
01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:04,719
theater

2981
01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:06,239
agreement after that.

2982
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:07,199
>> We can do that last. Yeah.

2983
01:58:07,199 --> 01:58:09,199
>> Is that okay? Yep. So, nobody's here

2984
01:58:09,199 --> 01:58:11,440
waiting for for that. Okay. Perfect.

2985
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:13,119
Okay. Let's uh let's go to our new

2986
01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:17,840
business section 10.1. Mr. Von P. Pel uh

2987
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:26,390
will uh start us out on this.

2988
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,560
Mayor and council, thanks for your time

2989
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:31,840
tonight. Um, what I plan to do is kind

2990
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:33,440
of walk through some of the changes that

2991
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:36,080
are that are in the proposed text since

2992
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:39,119
the the meeting two weeks ago. So, since

2993
01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:41,360
that time, the count with the council's

2994
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:42,960
robust discussion, they had the public

2995
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,199
hearing, of course, lots and lots of

2996
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:47,440
public comment, which was good and

2997
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,239
informative. Um there's been kind of a

2998
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:52,880
collaborative approach to refine and

2999
01:58:52,880 --> 01:58:55,920
improve the the text of the ordinance.

3000
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:57,440
Um starting with the planning

3001
01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,599
commission's recommendation and then

3002
01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:02,320
staff input and input from the

3003
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:04,320
applicant, obviously city council

3004
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:06,719
members heavily involved including their

3005
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:09,599
own comments and drafts. Um so it was

3006
01:59:09,599 --> 01:59:13,119
kind of a lot to juggle. Um and so what

3007
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:16,080
we did is kind of almost start over,

3008
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:18,159
right? It's it's a different version of

3009
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:21,119
the ordinance for tonight. So, um I'll

3010
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:23,599
just kind of walk through make that a

3011
01:59:23,599 --> 01:59:25,840
little bit bigger. That framework kind

3012
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:28,880
of shows um what the ordinance is trying

3013
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:31,760
to do with with uh all the different

3014
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:33,440
areas of concern. You can see the areas

3015
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:35,360
of concern on the left side, power,

3016
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:39,119
water, air, and so on.

3017
01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:42,560
Um, and then you'll see where where

3018
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,520
those concerns are being addressed. In

3019
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:47,679
title 15, it'll have a check mark there.

3020
01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:52,320
So, for noise, for example, there's a section in the proposed

3021
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:54,480
ordinance about noise, and there's also

3022
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:56,159
a section in the proposed development

3023
01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:59,679
agreement about noise. Um, so just for

3024
01:59:59,679 --> 02:00:01,440
your education there, that's that's

3025
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:02,800
where we're trying to address them. some

3026
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:06,639
things aren't appropriate in in like the

3027
02:00:06,639 --> 02:00:08,000
development agreement, the citywide

3028
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:10,880
limit. Uh that's not something you would

3029
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:13,360
cover in the development agreement. So,

3030
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:16,080
um let me just go through a few of the

3031
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:20,239
things. Uh it still has a data center

3032
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:23,760
with on-site power generation as a use

3033
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,000
subject to conditions. And I can tell

3034
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:29,520
you the reason why. Um the goal was to

3035
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:32,400
provide more legislative control, more

3036
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:35,679
public hearings in relation to approving

3037
02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:37,440
a a data center. So we've had planning

3038
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:38,800
commission public hearing, we've had

3039
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:40,560
public public hearing here two weeks

3040
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:43,920
ago, more public comment tonight. Um if

3041
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:46,159
we were to put it as a conditional use

3042
02:00:46,159 --> 02:00:48,080
permit, you would have one public

3043
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:50,239
hearing on that, right? The planning

3044
02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:51,920
commission would have one. And so the

3045
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:54,800
idea was to control that and allow more

3046
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:56,800
public hearings to happen with the city

3047
02:00:56,800 --> 02:01:00,080
council. Um I can also explain that a

3048
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:02,880
conditional use is kind of a misnomer.

3049
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:06,159
It really is like a permitted use that

3050
02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:09,760
you craft uh reasonable conditions that

3051
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:11,840
address negative impacts that might

3052
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,400
happen from a proposed use. The the

3053
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:16,080
thing that most people don't know is

3054
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,080
that it's not something you can say yes

3055
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:22,000
or no. we we we don't want that or we do

3056
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,000
it's in the state code that they shall

3057
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:26,800
be approved and if reasonable conditions

3058
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:30,320
can be imposed. Um

3059
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:33,199
so with that in mind it was in

3060
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:35,040
intentional to put it as a use subject

3061
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:37,599
to conditions so that the conditions

3062
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:39,840
that are approved by the city council

3063
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:41,920
the in this in the ordinance would be

3064
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:43,679
those that would be applied to the

3065
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:46,709
application.

3066
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:48,880
First, I want to say that the the

3067
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,280
proposed ordinance reduces the cap. So,

3068
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:54,000
there's not two. So, another data center

3069
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:56,000
couldn't come to town and be approved.

3070
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,960
It there's only one allowed as the cap.

3071
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:01,840
And so, that requires a whole set of

3072
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:04,880
public hearings to amend the proposed

3073
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,119
ordinance to allow a second one. So,

3074
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:08,800
that that's the reason why we've reduced

3075
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:11,679
it to one and kept it as a use subject

3076
02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:14,159
to conditions. Um,

3077
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:15,679
>> so Bon, if I can just highlight that for

3078
02:02:15,679 --> 02:02:17,520
a second. I think that's a big that's

3079
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:18,960
change, excuse me, that's a big change

3080
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:20,560
from last week, sorry, last council

3081
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:22,480
meeting to this council meeting. The

3082
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:23,679
planning commission I think did a really

3083
02:02:23,679 --> 02:02:25,920
good job of considering the ordinance

3084
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:29,280
and in their efforts said let's have two

3085
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:31,440
from the discussions that we've had the

3086
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:34,000
feedback from the community and and what

3087
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:36,239
Bon just expressed

3088
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:39,520
uh changing that to one in conversations

3089
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:42,320
with each of you really strengthens it

3090
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:44,000
and and allows for public comment the

3091
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:45,599
next if there were to be another one

3092
02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:46,719
that wanted to be there and you wanted

3093
02:02:46,719 --> 02:02:49,119
to talk about it. So they require a text

3094
02:02:49,119 --> 02:02:52,320
amendment which would allow for further

3095
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:53,599
public dialogue.

3096
02:02:53,599 --> 02:02:55,840
>> It's a Can we chat now?

3097
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:57,440
>> That's what I'm wondering. Are we

3098
02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:59,360
starting? What are we

3099
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:00,719
>> My goal was to kind of walk through the

3100
02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:01,199
ordinance.

3101
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:02,239
>> I just wanted to make sure that

3102
02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:04,159
>> Canad I just wanted to highlight I'm

3103
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:05,199
part of his team.

3104
02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:06,719
>> But I'm here for you guys. Fair enough.

3105
02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:07,760
>> Fair enough. But I wanted to highlight

3106
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:09,520
that because sometimes you know we can

3107
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:10,159
be quiet.

3108
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:11,760
>> Write it down Shane. Write it down so

3109
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:12,159
you don't

3110
02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:13,199
>> Those two already got it.

3111
02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:14,239
>> Okay.

3112
02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:16,639
>> Thank you. Another thing right off the

3113
02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:18,560
bat that that the ordinance does it

3114
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:20,880
reduces the max megawatt generation down

3115
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:25,280
to 450 more in closer in line to what's

3116
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:28,000
been proposed by valition. So that's

3117
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,960
been reduced.

3118
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:33,599
It also induces this concept of material

3119
02:03:33,599 --> 02:03:36,960
modification. So any change to their to

3120
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:39,360
the data center that might have an

3121
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:41,599
impact on the environment, utilities,

3122
02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:44,080
safety, neighborhood impacts, uh

3123
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,639
generation capacity, computing capacity,

3124
02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:48,560
those are all listed in the ordinance.

3125
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,960
uh generation technology, the primary

3126
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,920
fuel use, the cooling technology, energy

3127
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:56,159
storage system, the facility layout,

3128
02:03:56,159 --> 02:03:59,040
water use, noise, vibration, heat,

3129
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:00,719
emissions, waste water, chemical

3130
02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:02,400
storage, fire risk, or any other concern

3131
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,800
of the city. That would be considered a

3132
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:07,119
material modification and additional

3133
02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:08,560
studies and data would need to be

3134
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,800
submitted before that could be approved.

3135
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:12,320
So

3136
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:14,000
that this ordinance will set forward the

3137
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:15,440
standards, but if they want to change

3138
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:17,040
any of that, then there's going to have

3139
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:18,880
to be additional studies and data that

3140
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:20,560
be proved through an amendment to the

3141
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:22,400
development agreement or to amended site

3142
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:25,119
plan or maybe any other uh regulatory

3143
02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:28,880
permit that they they have. Um, also

3144
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:30,960
importantly, this agreement or excuse

3145
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:32,800
me, this version of the ordinance

3146
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:34,800
requires a development agreement which

3147
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:39,280
would run with the land. And that's key. That's basically legal

3148
02:04:39,280 --> 02:04:40,880
jargon for saying that this is going to

3149
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,840
bind any successor owner, any future

3150
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:45,599
purchaser, they're going to still have

3151
02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:48,000
to abide by the requirements of that

3152
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,719
recorded restrictive covenant, they call

3153
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:54,639
it, and a development agreement. Um

3154
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:56,800
the language in the ordinance requires

3155
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:58,159
that that development agreement be

3156
02:04:58,159 --> 02:05:00,480
approved before a building permit is

3157
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,800
approved. So that that's still to come.

3158
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:07,430
Um air quality

3159
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:09,040
There was comment tonight about why were

3160
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:11,679
the Knox levels removed because those

3161
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:13,760
are the state levels and we realize it's

3162
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:15,199
probably better to have the state

3163
02:05:15,199 --> 02:05:17,520
regulator, the division of air quality

3164
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:18,880
that's going to be issued the air

3165
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:20,880
quality permits be the one to do that.

3166
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:23,599
They have their own inspection program

3167
02:05:23,599 --> 02:05:26,159
um review program. There's already a

3168
02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:28,480
permit that's been issued for an intent

3169
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:32,080
to approve uh for valition. So that's I

3170
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:34,719
found that in googling in three seconds.

3171
02:05:34,719 --> 02:05:36,560
Um so anybody can go look and see

3172
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:40,480
exactly what they've proposed to do. U

3173
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:42,560
another area of concern is electric

3174
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:45,280
isolation. So the design of the facility

3175
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:47,199
needs to demonstrate that there will be

3176
02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:49,199
no interconnection with the city's

3177
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:52,239
electric system, electric grid or any

3178
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:54,880
electric utilities system. Um they need

3179
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:56,239
to produce and consume their own

3180
02:05:56,239 --> 02:05:59,280
electricity. They cannot support export

3181
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:01,920
it or sell it or do anything like that.

3182
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:05,520
Um noise is another concern. They have

3183
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:07,280
to comply with our existing noise

3184
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:10,400
ordinance that but in addition to that

3185
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:12,480
they the ordinance will require an

3186
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:14,560
acoustic analysis to study a whole

3187
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:17,440
number of things including

3188
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:20,880
and um including modeling the sources,

3189
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:23,840
the time of day, tonal sounds, low

3190
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:25,840
frequencies, even subsonic frequencies

3191
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,960
that humans can't hear. uh weather,

3192
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:30,960
topography, predicting the sound levels

3193
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:34,159
at the property line, zoning boundary,

3194
02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:36,480
existing residences, and other sensitive

3195
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:39,760
receptors that are chosen. Um this study

3196
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:41,760
will be done at the maximum predicted

3197
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:45,360
load. So if if they can stay within that

3198
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:48,159
baseline study, you know, then then

3199
02:06:48,159 --> 02:06:49,520
certainly if they're somewhere lower

3200
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:51,520
than that that in their load, then it

3201
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:54,400
would be not as significant.

3202
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:57,679
After the study, there will be after uh

3203
02:06:57,679 --> 02:07:00,079
verification testing to ensure that it

3204
02:07:00,079 --> 02:07:04,079
does comply with that acoustic analysis.

3205
02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:06,719
Uh a new section we've added, it wasn't

3206
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:08,880
in the version before, is about ground

3207
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:11,280
vibration. That would be an analysis

3208
02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:13,280
they'd have to submit with their site

3209
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,360
plan and then require testing and

3210
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:17,760
verification afterwards to ensure that

3211
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:22,470
it is compliant with that analysis.

3212
02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:25,520
heat again requiring a thermal analysis

3213
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:27,599
with the site plan application to

3214
02:07:27,599 --> 02:07:29,199
evaluate their heat, the conditions,

3215
02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:30,639
their technology they're using for

3216
02:07:30,639 --> 02:07:33,920
cooling um sensitive receptors,

3217
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:36,159
topography, whether that's a condition

3218
02:07:36,159 --> 02:07:39,280
of the site plan. Um and the development

3219
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:42,719
agreement for ongoing monitoring to and

3220
02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:45,199
mitigation if it's required to minimize

3221
02:07:45,199 --> 02:07:47,199
the heat.

3222
02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:49,760
Um water use and cooling. They have to

3223
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:52,000
submit an annual water use estimate by

3224
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:53,840
category like how much is devoted to

3225
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:55,920
their computing, how much to cooling,

3226
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:59,040
how much is outdoor irrigation which

3227
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:01,520
likely be the bulk of it. Um just like

3228
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:04,400
anywhere and also then indoor use like

3229
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:07,280
offices and restrooms and custodial

3230
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:09,760
facilities as well. Um, so they they

3231
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:12,239
submit that annual estimate and then

3232
02:08:12,239 --> 02:08:14,320
they'll be capped to 1 million gallons

3233
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:17,040
per year to or for the initial fill I

3234
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:19,199
should say and then 300,000 gallons per

3235
02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:21,440
year for the humidification of the

3236
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:24,880
cooling of the computing

3237
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:26,880
waste water. There's a section on that

3238
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:28,560
requires pre-treatment consistent with

3239
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,239
our existing city ordinance on

3240
02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:32,639
pre-treatment. And then also a

3241
02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:34,079
requirement that they use propyline

3242
02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:36,000
glycol rather than ethylene glycol.

3243
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:39,199
Propylene glycol is the food safe uh

3244
02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:42,480
version of of the coolant. Um it's in

3245
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:44,960
food products. It's it's in your RV

3246
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:46,800
antifreeze. So if you ingest it, there's

3247
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:51,040
you won't be sick. Um and also require a

3248
02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:54,320
247 spill response plan monitoring and

3249
02:08:54,320 --> 02:08:57,520
then what to do when when they do detect

3250
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,520
spills.

3251
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:01,040
There will be an emergency response

3252
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,760
plan. uh a decommissioning plan is

3253
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:06,320
required and a a financial assurance to

3254
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:11,199
ensure that they have the capability to do the decommissioning. So that will

3255
02:09:11,199 --> 02:09:16,400
basically a bond in place to ensure that work can be done with regular

3256
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:18,639
updates so that it you know the numbers

3257
02:09:18,639 --> 02:09:20,800
don't get stale after inflation after a

3258
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:24,400
few years. Um there's an allowance for

3259
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:26,320
the city to do independent testing on

3260
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:30,880
any of these areas of concern that we're considering in the ordinance. Um

3261
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:33,440
that primary obligation is on them to

3262
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:34,719
demonstrate compliance with their

3263
02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:36,880
ordinance, but the city can step in at

3264
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:38,639
any time and do our own uh

3265
02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:44,239
investigations, testing to verify that what they have reported is is

3266
02:09:44,239 --> 02:09:47,520
correct. Um

3267
02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:49,760
then there's an annual compliance report

3268
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:51,199
where they need to report on all of

3269
02:09:51,199 --> 02:09:53,520
these areas of concern. If there's been

3270
02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:55,520
an exceedence in water use, they'd have

3271
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:57,520
to demonstrate that and and disclose

3272
02:09:57,520 --> 02:09:59,360
that. there's been exceedence in

3273
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:00,719
temperatures and things like that, they

3274
02:10:00,719 --> 02:10:02,079
would need to disclose that in that

3275
02:10:02,079 --> 02:10:04,079
report and that's to become a public

3276
02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:05,679
report.

3277
02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:08,400
Um,

3278
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:10,480
finally, I want to kind of go through

3279
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:12,800
the menu of enforcement options that the

3280
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,840
city has in this ordinance. The first I

3281
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:17,440
mentioned is the inspection testing,

3282
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:20,000
right? We verify we can verify that what

3283
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:22,880
they're doing is within the within the

3284
02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:24,880
parameters of the ordinance or the

3285
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:27,840
different uh analysis that are plans

3286
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:29,040
that there are studies they're required

3287
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:32,320
to do for the site plan. Then if they

3288
02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:33,840
let's assume they're not in compliance,

3289
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:35,520
then we would issue a notice and give

3290
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:37,599
them an opportunity to cure that defect

3291
02:10:37,599 --> 02:10:40,639
and come back into compliance. Um if if

3292
02:10:40,639 --> 02:10:42,960
that's unsuccessful,

3293
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:45,440
um then there's a section on operation

3294
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:48,400
restrictions and suspension up to and

3295
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:49,920
including revocation of their business

3296
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:51,760
license. That's basically the ultimate

3297
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:54,719
thing that city can do is revoke go

3298
02:10:54,719 --> 02:10:57,520
through a due process to to evaluate

3299
02:10:57,520 --> 02:10:59,840
that and have a notice and a hearing but

3300
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:02,079
ultimately revoke a business license

3301
02:11:02,079 --> 02:11:04,560
which would halt operations. Um there

3302
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:06,719
are other damages remedies in the

3303
02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:07,920
development agreement including

3304
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:10,960
liquidated damages. uh court-ordered

3305
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:12,639
specific performance, meaning the court

3306
02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:14,880
orders them to do something to come into

3307
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:17,599
compliance or court-ordered injunction

3308
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:19,920
to halt them from doing something that

3309
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:24,239
is taking them out of compliance. Um and

3310
02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:27,360
finally, the cost of enforcement. It the

3311
02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:28,800
ordinance says that that will be borne

3312
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:30,560
by the owner as well. So, it's not going

3313
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:32,880
to be as heavy burden on the city. Um if

3314
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:34,880
we need to do a test or study to ensure

3315
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:37,040
compliance, that cost of enforcement

3316
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:38,800
will be on them.

3317
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:42,639
have any questions about the draft?

3318
02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:45,040
>> Where do we start?

3319
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:46,960
>> We can go paragraph by paragraph. And if

3320
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:48,880
you like paragraph one, great. If not,

3321
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:50,880
let's let's fire out why and see what we

3322
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:51,920
can do to address it.

3323
02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:54,960
>> Yeah, I think I think this um this grid

3324
02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:58,000
is helpful on the screen here. Um if if

3325
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:00,239
none of you have seen this, it's it's in

3326
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:03,199
the this is in the packet, right, Seth?

3327
02:12:03,199 --> 02:12:05,520
We clicked in there. So that's something

3328
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:07,280
the public can certainly see not just up

3329
02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:09,040
on the screen but on your devices as

3330
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:11,920
well. Um I [clears throat] think that is

3331
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:13,440
smart. I think I think going through

3332
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,599
kind of the agreement what what I tried

3333
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:18,560
to say uh at the first is what you are

3334
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:22,239
looking at as an agreement um or excuse

3335
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:28,159
me modification to title 15 is uh is in

3336
02:12:28,159 --> 02:12:30,560
response to what we've what we've heard

3337
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:32,560
what we've listened to and and what

3338
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:34,800
we've forwarded as far as concerns and

3339
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:37,119
things. So, uh, I just want to set that

3340
02:12:37,119 --> 02:12:39,520
baseline with with everybody that's here

3341
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:41,920
and interested in this is is you're

3342
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:43,760
going to hear about baseline, you know,

3343
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:46,239
readings in in throughout this, but but

3344
02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:49,199
the baseline is that we are trying to to

3345
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:52,639
listen and um and and take your concerns

3346
02:12:52,639 --> 02:12:55,440
seriously and and the the council as a

3347
02:12:55,440 --> 02:13:00,159
whole uh does that. So, um that's that's

3348
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:02,159
maybe my preamble to that. Seth, you

3349
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:04,400
>> Yeah. I'm wondering, Bon, if you think

3350
02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:07,440
it would be productive to have any if

3351
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:08,560
there's anything that the applicant

3352
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,400
wants to share in relation to this

3353
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:13,360
before we dive into the the depths of

3354
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:14,719
the code.

3355
02:13:14,719 --> 02:13:16,079
>> Yeah, we would like to do that.

3356
02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:17,840
>> Let me let me preamble that too really

3357
02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:19,040
quick. There's been some people that

3358
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:21,199
have asked us before and and we get this

3359
02:13:21,199 --> 02:13:23,360
is a topic that some people maybe this

3360
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:24,960
is some of your first meetings that

3361
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:26,400
you've been to and so why does an

3362
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:30,560
applicant get a time? uh is because they

3363
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:32,480
are the applicant. Um if you were the

3364
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:38,320
applicant talking about something uh in the city, you'd get time to explain

3365
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:41,040
and to answer questions as well. So just

3366
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:43,199
to point out that's not abnormal. That's

3367
02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:45,360
very normal in the processes of public

3368
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:47,760
meetings. So just set that standard if

3369
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:49,679
the applicant would like to come up and

3370
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:52,000
present uh anything that that you have

3371
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:54,159
and then we'll see

3372
02:13:54,159 --> 02:13:55,520
we need those questions.

3373
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:57,760
>> Yes. Thank you. Thank you everybody for

3374
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:00,079
uh again I echo so much of what has

3375
02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:02,320
already been said by

3376
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:03,679
almost everybody who's come to the

3377
02:14:03,679 --> 02:14:06,800
microphone tonight. Uh we appreciate the

3378
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:10,960
time that you've spent um taking this so

3379
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:14,719
seriously and I think the process has

3380
02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:16,320
really

3381
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:19,920
um allowed us to be refined also and

3382
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:23,679
improve. Um so we're we're grateful for

3383
02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:28,320
that. Um, one of the things that I hope

3384
02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:31,920
that we have begun to demonstrate and

3385
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:34,719
will continue to demonstrate because

3386
02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:38,960
ultimately we're at a point now where

3387
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:40,560
um

3388
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:43,119
the city has to decide if they will

3389
02:14:43,119 --> 02:14:47,119
trust our organization to move forward

3390
02:14:47,119 --> 02:14:50,639
um and create accountability

3391
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:55,199
um so that we are held accountable to

3392
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:58,159
what we have proposed.

3393
02:14:58,159 --> 02:15:02,000
Um, when we first walked into your

3394
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:04,960
offices many months ago,

3395
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:08,560
uh, I remember when I outlined this in

3396
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:11,280
the context of all of the other data

3397
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:13,760
centers that have been brought before

3398
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:16,560
the city and that were in the news, uh,

3399
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:18,960
there was a lot of sort of like, yeah,

3400
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:22,239
that sounds great, you know, sure, uh,

3401
02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:25,440
we'll see. and some um healthy

3402
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:28,079
skepticism about what we proposed in our

3403
02:15:28,079 --> 02:15:31,599
engineering. Um and and our approach has

3404
02:15:31,599 --> 02:15:33,920
been okay,

3405
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:36,400
what do you need from us? Please come

3406
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:39,360
see for yourself. And so over the many

3407
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:42,239
months, the city has done that. They've

3408
02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:44,480
come to see for themselves in a variety

3409
02:15:44,480 --> 02:15:47,840
of ways. And um my observation has been

3410
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:50,719
that every time um there has been an

3411
02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:52,239
investigation around the things that we

3412
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:53,920
have promised or the way that we have

3413
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:56,159
proposed them

3414
02:15:56,159 --> 02:15:59,679
um the answer has sort of been h okay it

3415
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:02,639
you know it really is very quiet or you

3416
02:16:02,639 --> 02:16:05,920
know it really is very clean it really

3417
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:09,679
is and so forth and so forth. So, um, we

3418
02:16:09,679 --> 02:16:13,520
feel like we have continually stood up

3419
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:17,440
to the requests that have been made. I I

3420
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:18,800
hope that we're earning some trust

3421
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:21,679
around that process. When we began the

3422
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:24,800
open comments, we said to you, we want

3423
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:27,760
to take more time, not not less. We want

3424
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:30,480
to do more public meetings, not less. We

3425
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:33,439
want those public meetings to be longer,

3426
02:16:33,439 --> 02:16:36,479
not shorter. And in those meetings, we

3427
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:39,359
then said to the public, here's how to

3428
02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:42,639
get a hold of us. Please contact us. We

3429
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:46,319
will answer you. We will respond. And in

3430
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:48,800
that process, we have had hundreds and

3431
02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:51,760
hundreds of requests and comments. And

3432
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:55,359
we have responded literally to everyone

3433
02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:58,160
as ear as recent as a couple hours ago

3434
02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:01,519
for for the doctor who was here um

3435
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:07,359
stating his case. And so, um, I can

3436
02:17:07,359 --> 02:17:10,080
stand and unequivocally

3437
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:12,639
represent this company in saying that

3438
02:17:12,639 --> 02:17:16,719
our response to commitments, our

3439
02:17:16,719 --> 02:17:19,920
willingness to be accountable, our

3440
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,160
commitment to doing what we say we will

3441
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:29,439
do, um, will continue. And um so we want

3442
02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:31,760
to just take a few minutes not to rehash

3443
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:32,960
everything that we've already talked

3444
02:17:32,960 --> 02:17:36,080
about, but we do want to sort of report

3445
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:40,479
on what has happened um in the last two

3446
02:17:40,479 --> 02:17:45,040
weeks and what we've heard. Um you've

3447
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:47,920
also heard way too much from me. And I'm

3448
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,319
going to ask uh Brian Velmir, who is one

3449
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:53,840
of our executive team members, to take

3450
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:57,120
you through just a couple slides and

3451
02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:00,240
begin to outline how we view and welcome

3452
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:03,200
the accountability piece. Um and then

3453
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:07,280
I'm just going to conclude with um a

3454
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:09,359
little bit of consideration about, you

3455
02:18:09,359 --> 02:18:12,479
know, the the choice that you that you

3456
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:14,319
will ultimately need to make. So, Brian,

3457
02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:17,200
could I have you come up and

3458
02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:19,840
>> Yes.

3459
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:23,439
>> Thanks, Jeff. Uh, thank you. My name is

3460
02:18:23,439 --> 02:18:25,840
Brian. As uh Jeff mentioned, pleasure to

3461
02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:27,040
meet most of you. Haven't met you

3462
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:29,200
before. Thanks, Mary. Mayor, um, I want

3463
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:30,960
to thank the council also for the amount

3464
02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:32,639
of time that you've spent. I know that

3465
02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:35,280
this has been uh, dozens of hours on

3466
02:18:35,280 --> 02:18:37,359
each of your behalf. And so, thank you

3467
02:18:37,359 --> 02:18:39,519
for the opportunity. Um, we're going to

3468
02:18:39,519 --> 02:18:42,160
keep this relatively brief. we don't

3469
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:43,920
necessarily want to be here until 1 in

3470
02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:45,840
the morning um again, although we will

3471
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:48,800
if if if that's what required. But I

3472
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:52,639
think um we've heard you and it's become

3473
02:18:52,639 --> 02:18:55,359
apparent to me how special this place is

3474
02:18:55,359 --> 02:18:58,880
and how much the citizens care and uh as

3475
02:18:58,880 --> 02:19:01,679
Jeff alluded to, we we literally have

3476
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:04,319
seen and answered and considered

3477
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:07,359
hundreds of questions. Um,

3478
02:19:07,359 --> 02:19:09,840
when I kind of take a step back and

3479
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:12,880
think about what is it that the citizens

3480
02:19:12,880 --> 02:19:15,359
are asking you, what are you asking of

3481
02:19:15,359 --> 02:19:18,479
us to protect? Um, I think most of those

3482
02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:20,319
things fall into three buckets. Number

3483
02:19:20,319 --> 02:19:23,679
one, this place that you love. Um, you

3484
02:19:23,679 --> 02:19:25,439
know, you see it in every city council

3485
02:19:25,439 --> 02:19:27,679
meeting, right? The pump track and just

3486
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:30,559
there's a special thing here and it's

3487
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:32,479
worth protecting.

3488
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:34,160
keeping your neighborhoods quiet,

3489
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:36,880
keeping uh the natural resources, the

3490
02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:39,760
air and water, the roads safe and quiet,

3491
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:43,359
the river, the canyon. Um most people

3492
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:44,960
take a great amount of pride in the

3493
02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:46,639
quality of life here, and that's worth

3494
02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:48,960
protecting. Most of the questions that

3495
02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:50,720
we've gotten have been about protecting

3496
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:53,520
that. Second thing, and this uh this is

3497
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:54,640
kind of tapered off because I think

3498
02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:56,160
we've answered the question quite a bit,

3499
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,880
but everybody wants to make sure that

3500
02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:01,680
the essential services that are critical

3501
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:03,760
to the city, critical to the citizens

3502
02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:06,080
that I know that you've pioneered a new

3503
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:07,840
way of kind of providing some of these

3504
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:10,240
services that um those are not going to

3505
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:11,920
be compromised, right? Those things are

3506
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:14,640
going to be protected. That growth and I

3507
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:17,200
know Spanish Fork has experienced a

3508
02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:20,160
couple of decades of persistent growth.

3509
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:21,760
that's not something that we're gonna

3510
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:24,880
come and uh compete with, right? We're

3511
02:20:24,880 --> 02:20:27,280
not going to pull off of your resources

3512
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,359
and that's worth protecting. And then

3513
02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:31,280
finally, and I think we heard quite a

3514
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:34,160
bit of this tonight, that um the

3515
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:36,160
citizens and obviously the council wants

3516
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:39,040
to maintain control, maintain the voice

3517
02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:41,280
in the process. And so we've considered

3518
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:44,240
that. And um I think you'll see and you

3519
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:48,080
have seen with what um Van just shared

3520
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:50,720
that we're working very very diligently

3521
02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:53,600
to be intentional about that we want to

3522
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:55,520
be accountable, right? We want to make

3523
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:57,040
sure that these are not just promises.

3524
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,120
This is not just some outside company

3525
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:01,280
coming in and making claims that are not

3526
02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:03,120
defendable, that we're not accountable,

3527
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:04,800
that you can't govern against them. We

3528
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:06,800
want to make sure that those things are

3529
02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:08,800
all covered.

3530
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:10,720
So essentially, right, we've we've

3531
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:12,319
covered lots of ground and lots of

3532
02:21:12,319 --> 02:21:14,399
questions, but

3533
02:21:14,399 --> 02:21:16,160
I'm not going to go through this entire

3534
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:19,439
slide necessarily, but we want to be

3535
02:21:19,439 --> 02:21:21,840
accountable to these three priorities

3536
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:24,000
that we've heard about. Protecting the

3537
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:26,240
place that you love, protecting your

3538
02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:28,720
essential services, and helping both the

3539
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:31,840
council and the citizens maintain voice

3540
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:33,760
and control. Right? The way that we're

3541
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:35,840
going to do that, you can kind of see,

3542
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:37,200
we're going to set and test limits

3543
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:39,120
early. We're going to make just about

3544
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:42,160
every set of numbers auditable, right?

3545
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:43,359
And we're going to be accountable to

3546
02:21:43,359 --> 02:21:46,080
those things. You've heard about no grid

3547
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:47,359
connection. You've heard about our

3548
02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:50,240
water. You've heard about us um paying

3549
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:53,520
for the natural gas pipeline upgrade.

3550
02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:55,280
Those are things that we are keeping

3551
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,760
separate. We are not imposing on the

3552
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:01,040
city's um infrastructure or services in

3553
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:03,439
any way. You've heard, I think Van

3554
02:22:03,439 --> 02:22:05,439
explained it. I want to reiterate it.

3555
02:22:05,439 --> 02:22:06,960
Many people were concerned that yeah

3556
02:22:06,960 --> 02:22:09,040
okay ma maybe valition they are going to

3557
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:10,960
do what they say maybe they are pretty

3558
02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:13,200
decent you know people governed by a set

3559
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:15,840
of culture and values but what about if

3560
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:19,040
they fail what about if they sell all of

3561
02:22:19,040 --> 02:22:22,319
the covenants we are writing in that

3562
02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:24,000
they they stay with the land they stay

3563
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,640
with the property if we sell if we fail

3564
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:29,040
that property is still able to be used

3565
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:32,399
by the city and then finally your voice

3566
02:22:32,399 --> 02:22:34,560
and control and helping you keep that we

3567
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:36,960
are going to publish everything that we

3568
02:22:36,960 --> 02:22:40,479
can pos possibly publish at every stage.

3569
02:22:40,479 --> 02:22:43,120
Right now, we can't do sound checks

3570
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:44,800
because the thing isn't built yet. But

3571
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:46,640
at each and appropriate stage of

3572
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:49,040
development, we will be accountable. We

3573
02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:50,960
will meter it and there will be

3574
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:54,640
provisions on on um that we are meeting

3575
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:56,880
the obligations that are set forth and

3576
02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:58,800
that there's remedy to address each and

3577
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:00,560
every one of those things. And then

3578
02:23:00,560 --> 02:23:02,160
finally

3579
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:04,399
um you'll see in the next slide there is

3580
02:23:04,399 --> 02:23:07,680
a there is a matrix right and most of

3581
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:10,000
the decisions most of the things that

3582
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:11,600
are unique to this particular project

3583
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:13,600
and what we're proposing are written

3584
02:23:13,600 --> 02:23:15,439
into the development agreement and

3585
02:23:15,439 --> 02:23:18,080
covered and qualified by the amendments

3586
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:20,080
that we're talking about title 15. We're

3587
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:23,439
also still accountable to the city

3588
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:25,280
ordinance that already exists the state

3589
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:27,439
ordinances and the national ordinances.

3590
02:23:27,439 --> 02:23:30,880
So you guys have primary control over

3591
02:23:30,880 --> 02:23:32,560
what we're what we're doing and what

3592
02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:34,880
we're proposing over time. This is an

3593
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:38,880
amended um matrix that uh Van just

3594
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:41,359
showed without all of the detail. You

3595
02:23:41,359 --> 02:23:43,439
know, underneath each of these little

3596
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:45,280
check marks that fit on a nice neat

3597
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:48,560
slide, there's hundreds of pages with

3598
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:51,040
very detailed specificity that either

3599
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:53,600
has been done or is in the process of

3600
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:55,359
being done. Right? I think tonight is

3601
02:23:55,359 --> 02:23:59,439
mostly about title 15. Um we are working

3602
02:23:59,439 --> 02:24:01,280
towards a development agreement that

3603
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:02,960
meet all the requirements that the

3604
02:24:02,960 --> 02:24:04,880
council that you have all set forth and

3605
02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:06,720
we're trying to work very intentionally

3606
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:08,479
with you and then we're also going to be

3607
02:24:08,479 --> 02:24:10,080
governed by local state and national

3608
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:12,240
governments both for the time that we're

3609
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:14,160
off operating but there are very

3610
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:17,120
specific provisions around what happens

3611
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:20,000
when we change right what happens when

3612
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:22,960
any any sort of change happens again

3613
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:25,840
governed. So, I just want to reiterate

3614
02:24:25,840 --> 02:24:27,840
that this this is a really special

3615
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:30,160
place. Um, prior to this process, I was

3616
02:24:30,160 --> 02:24:32,080
not that familiar with Spanish Fork.

3617
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,640
It's been a pleasure um to engage quite

3618
02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:36,640
a bit with your community, with your

3619
02:24:36,640 --> 02:24:38,720
city. Um, I've mostly been in the

3620
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:40,479
background, but I've really admired your

3621
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:43,840
city. I've really admired the um I think

3622
02:24:43,840 --> 02:24:47,040
the intentionality that um Councilman

3623
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:49,680
Oiler talked about stewardship. This is

3624
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:51,439
all about stewardship of so many things,

3625
02:24:51,439 --> 02:24:53,840
right? the existing city, the land, the

3626
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:56,880
building, the development, the the the

3627
02:24:56,880 --> 02:24:59,200
voice and the heart and the passions of

3628
02:24:59,200 --> 02:25:01,280
the citizens. Um, and so I just thank

3629
02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:04,240
you and I admire your stewardship. And

3630
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:07,680
um, with that, I'm going to turn it back

3631
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:11,600
over to Jeff to talk through the very

3632
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:13,760
tangible decisions

3633
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:16,720
um, of stewarding what is going to

3634
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:21,750
happen with this particular building.

3635
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:25,280
Thank you, Brian. Um, I wanted to add

3636
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:27,439
just an answer to one question that came

3637
02:25:27,439 --> 02:25:30,479
up, I think, three different times from

3638
02:25:30,479 --> 02:25:32,479
uh residents.

3639
02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:35,439
The current text amendment that you have

3640
02:25:35,439 --> 02:25:38,399
before you has in fact changed. Every

3641
02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:42,319
scenario where it said that uh the city

3642
02:25:42,319 --> 02:25:46,800
may do this has been changed to at least

3643
02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:49,040
not I don't know if he's here to shall.

3644
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:52,160
So at any place where it previously

3645
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:53,680
suggested that there was kind of an

3646
02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:56,560
option that the city may require this or

3647
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:59,680
may do that has now been changed to

3648
02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:03,280
shall. So I just wanted to um highlight

3649
02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:08,160
that update as well. Ultimately

3650
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:12,880
um you know this comes down to a choice

3651
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:17,280
around this current property.

3652
02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:20,880
Um, there are four very real outcomes

3653
02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:23,040
for this property

3654
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:28,000
that interestingly require no vote,

3655
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:33,040
requires no new oversight.

3656
02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:34,560
Um,

3657
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:36,319
today

3658
02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:39,680
uh there's more traffic even in its

3659
02:26:39,680 --> 02:26:43,520
minimal use uh than we will ever bring.

3660
02:26:43,520 --> 02:26:49,520
They use more water than we will use. Um

3661
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:51,680
they are

3662
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:54,560
um right now the ambient sound is very

3663
02:26:54,560 --> 02:26:57,600
close to what the ambient sound will be

3664
02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:01,040
uh when we are there. Um it brings very

3665
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:04,800
little uh you know minimal property tax

3666
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:07,040
and that's what is going on there. These

3667
02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:11,680
owners are selling the building.

3668
02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:14,399
Um, it could be a distribution hub, 85

3669
02:27:14,399 --> 02:27:19,120
bays with traffic, noise,

3670
02:27:19,120 --> 02:27:23,280
um, and impact on the city that is

3671
02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:24,880
substantial

3672
02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:27,680
and flies in the face of kind of many of

3673
02:27:27,680 --> 02:27:30,800
the questions that people have posed

3674
02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:35,359
concerning us. We we know it will be be

3675
02:27:35,359 --> 02:27:39,600
worse. Um, very recently on the far end,

3676
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:41,280
we've, you know, we've heard about a

3677
02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:44,080
kind of a competing proposal to buy this

3678
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:47,840
building that could be a concrete plant.

3679
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:51,680
Um, a whole lot of negative impact.

3680
02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:56,000
All of those can just move forward under

3681
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:57,600
current

3682
02:27:57,600 --> 02:27:59,680
uh requirement.

3683
02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:04,080
In our proposal, we provide the city

3684
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:08,000
with total control

3685
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:11,840
um total control over the way that we

3686
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:15,680
will conduct business, develop a site,

3687
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:19,359
etc. And in addition to that, because of

3688
02:28:19,359 --> 02:28:23,280
our engineering, because of our design,

3689
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:27,600
we will have low emission. we will we

3690
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:29,680
will blend into the landscape as it

3691
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:31,680
relates to sound. I understand there's a

3692
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:34,800
lot of concern about sound

3693
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:39,520
but almost if all of you uh I think

3694
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:42,399
almost all of you have done your due

3695
02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:45,280
diligence. You have gone to another data

3696
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:47,520
center here in Utah. You have stood next

3697
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:50,399
to the equipment. Landon was the pioneer

3698
02:28:50,399 --> 02:28:52,880
in your group and he came and stood at

3699
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:55,760
equipment many months ago uh in

3700
02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:57,280
California.

3701
02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:01,359
Um we have gone doortodoor and talked to

3702
02:29:01,359 --> 02:29:03,520
residents across the street and they

3703
02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:06,720
indicate door after door that they don't

3704
02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:09,280
even notice it and that data center is

3705
02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:13,200
not designed as efficiently as ours.

3706
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:17,760
And so, um, those things

3707
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:22,240
stand on their own, but then we have

3708
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:25,600
this meaningful impact for your

3709
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:28,960
community as it relates to your tax

3710
02:29:28,960 --> 02:29:32,000
income. And as I have said before, this

3711
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:35,200
figure that we demonstrate is literally

3712
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:38,479
a conservative figure.

3713
02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:44,960
And so as we um hear the concerns, as we

3714
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:48,479
address people's genuine concerns,

3715
02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:52,160
um you we can't address every single

3716
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:57,120
one. Um but we've done a really good job

3717
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:02,479
of building what we call the solution in

3718
02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:05,359
the data center industry. There's a need

3719
02:30:05,359 --> 02:30:08,880
for a solution based on all the problems

3720
02:30:08,880 --> 02:30:12,319
that that historical data centers have

3721
02:30:12,319 --> 02:30:16,240
caused and plowing, you know, acres and

3722
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:20,240
acres of land, etc., etc. We built this

3723
02:30:20,240 --> 02:30:25,600
company as a solution to that problem,

3724
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:28,080
and we're executing on that. So, you

3725
02:30:28,080 --> 02:30:30,640
know, as this narrows down, I I hope

3726
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:34,960
that you're looking at the alternative,

3727
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:39,920
our accountability and your control over

3728
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:42,399
the way that we ultimately will operate

3729
02:30:42,399 --> 02:30:47,920
in your community. Um, and finally, this last slide just to kind of give

3730
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:50,399
some context because I think sometimes

3731
02:30:50,399 --> 02:30:53,520
this is lost in the shuffle here.

3732
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:57,200
Title 15. Um, many people think that it

3733
02:30:57,200 --> 02:31:01,439
means that we then are approved to go

3734
02:31:01,439 --> 02:31:04,399
build a data center or that we now have

3735
02:31:04,399 --> 02:31:07,040
no obstacle. And that is not the case.

3736
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:09,120
Title 15

3737
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:13,600
only allows for a company's approval to

3738
02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:18,399
build on-site power under a very strict

3739
02:31:18,399 --> 02:31:21,920
um set of requirements with [snorts]

3740
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:26,319
builtin penalties and remedies

3741
02:31:26,319 --> 02:31:29,200
after this title 15 if it were to be

3742
02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:31,120
approved.

3743
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:34,720
We now have to complete the development

3744
02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:38,960
agreement that documents the additional

3745
02:31:38,960 --> 02:31:44,960
remedies that we came to this city and offered and proposed and it's

3746
02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:46,960
legally binding. If we don't accomplish

3747
02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:50,479
that, we do not proceed.

3748
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:54,080
The project does not proceed. If we

3749
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:56,560
accomplish that together, which we will,

3750
02:31:56,560 --> 02:32:00,080
we then have strict construction

3751
02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:01,600
guidelines.

3752
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,600
We will submit all of the final

3753
02:32:03,600 --> 02:32:07,040
engineering. Everything the city and the

3754
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:10,080
state has already created as guidelines

3755
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:13,200
we have to adhere to. That means when

3756
02:32:13,200 --> 02:32:14,880
we're permitting and we install

3757
02:32:14,880 --> 02:32:16,080
equipment, there's going to be an

3758
02:32:16,080 --> 02:32:18,800
inspector who comes. Inspectors will

3759
02:32:18,800 --> 02:32:22,560
come to every phase of this trade. And

3760
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:24,720
if all of a sudden we've got a cooling

3761
02:32:24,720 --> 02:32:30,479
system that's running at 110 dB when we

3762
02:32:30,479 --> 02:32:32,399
said it was going to be 99 and then at

3763
02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:37,120
the at the fence line it's 80, not 60.

3764
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:40,560
Guess what? We don't get a permit.

3765
02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:44,240
And so all the way along this process we

3766
02:32:44,240 --> 02:32:47,040
can be stopped.

3767
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,920
Do not, you know, pass go. I think

3768
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:51,600
that's what it is. But we had stopped

3769
02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:55,200
along the way and

3770
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:59,840
after the site plan it continues on

3771
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:04,000
and until we turn on the lights we have

3772
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:07,200
and you have jurisdiction over the

3773
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:09,600
ongoing approval of this process. So

3774
02:33:09,600 --> 02:33:11,520
it's important for the residents to

3775
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:14,080
understand I encourage I'm just

3776
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:17,120
reminding you who already know this that

3777
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:20,399
the approval of title 15 is not a cart

3778
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:24,080
blanch approval for us or anyone to

3779
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:27,760
build a data center. It only allows us

3780
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:30,720
to proceed

3781
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:33,760
to accept the requirements

3782
02:33:33,760 --> 02:33:36,720
and then we will be gated at every stage

3783
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:38,479
along the way.

3784
02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:42,479
Um I think that's relevant and um there

3785
02:33:42,479 --> 02:33:45,280
has been some you know question about

3786
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:49,600
speed and about taking time and uh we we

3787
02:33:49,600 --> 02:33:52,160
operate our business that way. Um we

3788
02:33:52,160 --> 02:33:54,399
never came here in a rush. We we've been

3789
02:33:54,399 --> 02:33:56,800
at this for for many months and the

3790
02:33:56,800 --> 02:34:00,479
public visibility um started several

3791
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:04,080
months ago as well. And so we have we

3792
02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:05,920
understand where this is new for folks

3793
02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:07,200
and that's why we've wanted to give

3794
02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:09,040
those extra weeks to help them become

3795
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:11,600
educated. But up to this point there is

3796
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:14,640
nothing new. There is no new technology

3797
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:16,399
to consider. There's nothing we're going

3798
02:34:16,399 --> 02:34:21,359
to add to this. There is um there's no

3799
02:34:21,359 --> 02:34:23,840
new revelation that will come forward

3800
02:34:23,840 --> 02:34:26,160
about everything that we've put before

3801
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:32,560
you in total cander or transparency. Um,

3802
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:36,000
we as a company do have some challenges

3803
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:38,319
on timeline that we have worked very

3804
02:34:38,319 --> 02:34:40,640
hard to manage over the last several

3805
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:42,479
months.

3806
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:44,560
And that challenge in timeline is that

3807
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:47,920
we have these phenomenal partners,

3808
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:51,040
phenomenal contractors who as an

3809
02:34:51,040 --> 02:34:53,120
argument to hey Valition has never done

3810
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:57,600
this. Um, our team has done this many

3811
02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:01,040
times touching all of this equipment and

3812
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:03,520
because of the growth of data centers,

3813
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:08,399
our partners are under high demand. Our

3814
02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:11,600
partners have been working with us for a

3815
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:14,960
long time. at any point they really do

3816
02:35:14,960 --> 02:35:18,479
have the ability to say, "Man, we've

3817
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:20,560
wanted to do this with you, but we just

3818
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:23,040
have so many other options in these

3819
02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:26,399
western states that Valition, you know,

3820
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:28,880
we we may need to move on." Um, and

3821
02:35:28,880 --> 02:35:31,200
that's something that we're really

3822
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:34,399
challenged with right now um in keeping

3823
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:38,880
them on on the project. An option we

3824
02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:48,640
have if this continues on several weeks, an option that we have to consider is that we can go with our contractor to another

3825
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:53,439
project that can move quickly. And so um

3826
02:35:53,439 --> 02:35:55,359
we are wrestling with the decision

3827
02:35:55,359 --> 02:35:59,840
around the timing of this. And um we

3828
02:35:59,840 --> 02:36:02,720
want to strive with you in your process

3829
02:36:02,720 --> 02:36:06,080
as long as we possibly can. But our

3830
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:08,399
request of you tonight is that you will

3831
02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:11,680
choose to proceed with a vote on this

3832
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:14,080
one way or the other wherever this

3833
02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:17,120
lands. Because what happens is if we go

3834
02:36:17,120 --> 02:36:19,280
another two or 3 weeks before we

3835
02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:23,359
consider a vote, um if there is a

3836
02:36:23,359 --> 02:36:25,680
majority vote or maybe not a unanimous

3837
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:29,760
vote, then we will the the process will

3838
02:36:29,760 --> 02:36:32,960
allow for residents to move to another

3839
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:36,000
action to attempt to put this onto a

3840
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:39,200
ballot. That can take another 45 days or

3841
02:36:39,200 --> 02:36:42,080
so. And in that window there is a chance

3842
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:46,240
that um we may have to move in a

3843
02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:48,560
different direction

3844
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:51,040
and we don't we don't want to do that.

3845
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:53,840
Um but if if the city needs to go

3846
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:55,359
through a process that would allow

3847
02:36:55,359 --> 02:36:57,760
citizens to you know attempt a different

3848
02:36:57,760 --> 02:37:01,760
path then uh we welcome that sooner than

3849
02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:06,479
later. Our request of you um is that you

3850
02:37:06,479 --> 02:37:08,960
unanimously approve

3851
02:37:08,960 --> 02:37:14,080
um our request to revise Title 15, which

3852
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:18,080
allows us simply to proceed.

3853
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:19,600
And

3854
02:37:19,600 --> 02:37:22,720
we can be stopped any point along the

3855
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:26,160
way if we fail to live up to the

3856
02:37:26,160 --> 02:37:29,680
requirements that you are uh asking us

3857
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:31,120
to meet.

3858
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:32,960
Um, we hope that you will support us

3859
02:37:32,960 --> 02:37:34,880
unanimously in this so that we can move

3860
02:37:34,880 --> 02:37:37,040
forward. We do hope that one way or the

3861
02:37:37,040 --> 02:37:39,120
other, uh, you will bring this to a vote

3862
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:40,800
tonight. Thank you.

3863
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:41,359
>> Thanks, Jeeoff.

3864
02:37:41,359 --> 02:37:42,160
>> Thank you, Jeff.

3865
02:37:42,160 --> 02:37:43,680
>> Appreciate that.

3866
02:37:43,680 --> 02:37:44,880
>> Mayor, do you think we could take a

3867
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:46,640
quick break before we jump into

3868
02:37:46,640 --> 02:37:47,760
paragraph by paragraph?

3869
02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:49,840
>> Uh, do we have to have a motion to do

3870
02:37:49,840 --> 02:37:50,479
that?

3871
02:37:50,479 --> 02:37:51,600
>> Okay. Council,

3872
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:53,200
>> can I move that we go on a quick break?

3873
02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:55,439
>> All right. Five minute break, he says.

3874
02:37:55,439 --> 02:37:56,960
Do I have a second?

3875
02:37:56,960 --> 02:37:57,760
>> Second.

3876
02:37:57,760 --> 02:37:59,520
>> Seconded by Councilman Oiler. All in

3877
02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:00,640
favor say yes. Yes,

3878
02:38:00,640 --> 02:38:02,080
>> we'll be back in five minutes. Thank

3879
02:38:02,080 --> 02:48:30,790
you.

3880
02:48:30,800 --> 02:48:32,560
five hour energy. Let's go.

3881
02:48:32,560 --> 02:48:35,040
>> Okay, we got the thumbs up from Travis

3882
02:48:35,040 --> 02:48:37,200
that uh we're going to get going again.

3883
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:38,880
So, thank you all for

3884
02:48:38,880 --> 02:48:41,359
>> for that break and uh we'll get back

3885
02:48:41,359 --> 02:48:44,451
into into council meeting

3886
02:48:44,451 --> 02:48:45,439
[clears throat]

3887
02:48:45,439 --> 02:48:47,680
>> again. Thanks uh everybody for for

3888
02:48:47,680 --> 02:48:49,760
involvement and in being here and and

3889
02:48:49,760 --> 02:48:51,760
spending time with us and and time on

3890
02:48:51,760 --> 02:48:54,160
this on this project. It's not lost on

3891
02:48:54,160 --> 02:48:56,800
us. The the time that's been spent uh in

3892
02:48:56,800 --> 02:49:01,600
your own lives as well as our lives on this uh on this item and and we

3893
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:03,520
appreciate uh the applicant running

3894
02:49:03,520 --> 02:49:05,200
through that stuff. I think

3895
02:49:05,200 --> 02:49:08,880
>> I think um maybe if if we could the next

3896
02:49:08,880 --> 02:49:10,880
step of this meeting since some of the

3897
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:14,399
questions that have been brought up and and some some good slides that have

3898
02:49:14,399 --> 02:49:17,760
some summary but like uh Mr. Von Pquel,

3899
02:49:17,760 --> 02:49:21,120
our city attorney, said, uh, this the

3900
02:49:21,120 --> 02:49:25,120
Title 15, um, you know, we we kind of

3901
02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:27,200
started the the rewrite instead of red

3902
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:31,429
lines, right?

3903
02:49:31,439 --> 02:49:34,240
» Yeah. So, so, so the whole document was

3904
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:36,080
becoming red is what you're saying. Y

3905
02:49:36,080 --> 02:49:38,479
>> and so so we just kind of started fresh

3906
02:49:38,479 --> 02:49:40,560
and and and again that's an attachment

3907
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:42,960
in your in your agenda items there. But

3908
02:49:42,960 --> 02:49:45,600
if we could maybe that this will help us

3909
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:47,680
keep on on track because it does go

3910
02:49:47,680 --> 02:49:49,200
paragraph by paragraph and some

3911
02:49:49,200 --> 02:49:51,359
paragraphs might not be pertinent to us

3912
02:49:51,359 --> 02:49:56,160
but some uh some certainly will be and so if we could kind of get to that

3913
02:49:56,160 --> 02:49:58,960
page and uh and and just kind of go

3914
02:49:58,960 --> 02:50:01,920
through this this this might help us uh

3915
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:04,560
have a little bit of a format here. Um,

3916
02:50:04,560 --> 02:50:06,479
I think Councilman Marshall has has

3917
02:50:06,479 --> 02:50:08,080
requested he's got some some maybe

3918
02:50:08,080 --> 02:50:11,200
bigger questions that that might be able

3919
02:50:11,200 --> 02:50:14,160
to be said. Hey, that's in paragraph

3920
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:18,000
15.2 or something. Uh, and so we can get

3921
02:50:18,000 --> 02:50:20,960
to it that way. But please follow along

3922
02:50:20,960 --> 02:50:22,960
with what we're going in and and the

3923
02:50:22,960 --> 02:50:24,640
applicants here too. So, if we have a

3924
02:50:24,640 --> 02:50:26,800
question that we would like to ask uh

3925
02:50:26,800 --> 02:50:29,359
city staff or the applicant, they're

3926
02:50:29,359 --> 02:50:32,319
here available as well. So, uh, if we

3927
02:50:32,319 --> 02:50:34,640
can go go that route. Councilman

3928
02:50:34,640 --> 02:50:35,600
Marshall, you have

3929
02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:37,920
>> Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate it. Um,

3930
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:40,080
before I get started, um, in my opening

3931
02:50:40,080 --> 02:50:43,359
comments, I made a joke about thinking

3932
02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:44,800
about data centers for the last couple

3933
02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:49,120
weeks. That was not to say that, um,

3934
02:50:49,120 --> 02:50:51,120
well, it sound like I was whining, and I

3935
02:50:51,120 --> 02:50:52,720
wasn't whining. I was trying to take

3936
02:50:52,720 --> 02:50:54,880
this super serious about making sure

3937
02:50:54,880 --> 02:50:56,240
that we get somewhere. I was not

3938
02:50:56,240 --> 02:50:58,720
whining. You've elected us to do exactly

3939
02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:01,680
that. think about tough issues like this

3940
02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:05,040
to debate and discuss tough issues like

3941
02:51:05,040 --> 02:51:06,479
this and so we're taking it very

3942
02:51:06,479 --> 02:51:08,720
serious. I was not man it sounded like I

3943
02:51:08,720 --> 02:51:10,640
was whining so I want to clarify that

3944
02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:11,760
>> because you are a whiner.

3945
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:15,120
>> I typically am whining. Um couple big

3946
02:51:15,120 --> 02:51:16,640
questions for me as we go through this

3947
02:51:16,640 --> 02:51:19,279
so you all know where my head is. One

3948
02:51:19,279 --> 02:51:21,040
are the guardrails. Number one I

3949
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:23,439
appreciate valitions all your support

3950
02:51:23,439 --> 02:51:25,120
all of your feedback that we've gotten

3951
02:51:25,120 --> 02:51:27,920
from you. It's now our title 15. We're

3952
02:51:27,920 --> 02:51:29,520
going to move forward as it's our title

3953
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:31,520
15 that the city is going to either

3954
02:51:31,520 --> 02:51:33,200
approve or disapprove and move forward

3955
02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:36,880
from there. Um so big picture, are the

3956
02:51:36,880 --> 02:51:39,040
guard rules adequate? Are they do we

3957
02:51:39,040 --> 02:51:40,160
have enough of them? Are they tight

3958
02:51:40,160 --> 02:51:42,160
enough to protect our community if

3959
02:51:42,160 --> 02:51:43,840
something like this was built in our

3960
02:51:43,840 --> 02:51:46,240
community? Are they transparent enough?

3961
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:48,800
Meaning that some of them play out in

3962
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:50,240
the development agreement more than they

3963
02:51:50,240 --> 02:51:52,800
play out in the title 15. Is that is

3964
02:51:52,800 --> 02:51:55,040
that transparent enough for us as we

3965
02:51:55,040 --> 02:51:57,359
move forward? At the end of the day, it

3966
02:51:57,359 --> 02:51:59,520
would not matter necessarily if we get

3967
02:51:59,520 --> 02:52:01,520
to an approved development agreement.

3968
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:04,960
However, um I do like more specificity

3969
02:52:04,960 --> 02:52:06,479
in the title 15 than the development

3970
02:52:06,479 --> 02:52:09,760
agreement, but I know Van will probably

3971
02:52:09,760 --> 02:52:11,040
strike me down on a couple of those,

3972
02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:12,080
which is fine. That's why we're going to

3973
02:52:12,080 --> 02:52:15,120
have go line by line. Um third, can we

3974
02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:17,920
hold any applicant accountable? Do we

3975
02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:20,800
have the right um not just the measures

3976
02:52:20,800 --> 02:52:23,279
but do we have the right mechanisms

3977
02:52:23,279 --> 02:52:26,479
if they if they are in violation to to

3978
02:52:26,479 --> 02:52:29,600
do something about it and then three the

3979
02:52:29,600 --> 02:52:31,439
approval process itself a couple of

3980
02:52:31,439 --> 02:52:33,200
folks mentioned the public process it's

3981
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:34,640
very important that we maintain that as

3982
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:37,279
we move forward um and I want to make

3983
02:52:37,279 --> 02:52:40,800
sure that we have builtin public process

3984
02:52:40,800 --> 02:52:42,560
for anything like this in the future

3985
02:52:42,560 --> 02:52:44,399
because this won't be the last time I

3986
02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:46,240
don't think we talk about it even if we

3987
02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:49,920
change it to on which I think

3988
02:52:49,920 --> 02:52:51,120
well we're going to get to that point in

3989
02:52:51,120 --> 02:52:53,040
the code so I won't bring it up yet. Um

3990
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:55,520
but so those are my three things.

3991
02:52:55,520 --> 02:52:57,600
Guardrails, transparency and can we can

3992
02:52:57,600 --> 02:52:59,520
we hold them accountable?

3993
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:01,439
>> I have a bigger issue as well. Okay,

3994
02:53:01,439 --> 02:53:02,720
>> that's not on there. I want

3995
02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:06,319
>> not me right. Besides Shane,

3996
02:53:06,319 --> 02:53:10,160
>> can can we do an overlay zone so the

3997
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:12,080
public is involved and informed about

3998
02:53:12,080 --> 02:53:14,880
each potential data center we discuss

3999
02:53:14,880 --> 02:53:17,680
and it's easier to control expansion?

4000
02:53:17,680 --> 02:53:19,840
Title 15, we have less control and

4001
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:22,479
overlay we have more control. Could we

4002
02:53:22,479 --> 02:53:26,319
have a data center overlay

4003
02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:28,720
type of conversation? Have we we have

4004
02:53:28,720 --> 02:53:30,960
not had that type of a conversation up

4005
02:53:30,960 --> 02:53:32,240
to this point? Correct. I don't think

4006
02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:33,600
we've talked about that here. I can let

4007
02:53:33,600 --> 02:53:35,200
Dave and Bon weigh in on that.

4008
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:36,720
>> Okay.

4009
02:53:36,720 --> 02:53:39,439
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Beck. Councilman

4010
02:53:39,439 --> 02:53:42,080
Oiler, any big picture items or will you

4011
02:53:42,080 --> 02:53:42,880
have

4012
02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:44,720
>> discussion items in the body of it?

4013
02:53:44,720 --> 02:53:45,680
>> Discussion items. Yeah,

4014
02:53:45,680 --> 02:53:47,279
>> in the body of it. Okay. Counciloman

4015
02:53:47,279 --> 02:53:47,760
Carden,

4016
02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:50,080
>> one of my biggest

4017
02:53:50,080 --> 02:53:51,520
parts of this that I think is going to

4018
02:53:51,520 --> 02:53:54,319
be uh it comes up very quick in the

4019
02:53:54,319 --> 02:53:56,160
document is the zoning and what zone

4020
02:53:56,160 --> 02:53:58,880
it's being proposed in. Um it's probably

4021
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:00,479
like I don't know, it's on page one on

4022
02:54:00,479 --> 02:54:02,479
both documents. that we have or that I

4023
02:54:02,479 --> 02:54:05,120
have in front of me. Um, [clears throat]

4024
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:07,760
the reason why it's an issue for me

4025
02:54:07,760 --> 02:54:09,680
specifically is we have some windmills

4026
02:54:09,680 --> 02:54:11,840
at the mouth of the canyon right nearby

4027
02:54:11,840 --> 02:54:15,439
and windmills fall into the I3 zone and

4028
02:54:15,439 --> 02:54:19,040
we're proposing this in the I1 zone. Um,

4029
02:54:19,040 --> 02:54:21,359
and the windmills, Jake, what did you

4030
02:54:21,359 --> 02:54:24,640
say? How much do they generate?

4031
02:54:24,640 --> 02:54:26,240
>> When they first were put in, I think

4032
02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:27,680
it's about nine megawws

4033
02:54:27,680 --> 02:54:30,640
>> per windmill. No, that's total almost

4034
02:54:30,640 --> 02:54:31,840
one megawatt per windmill.

4035
02:54:31,840 --> 02:54:32,479
>> Total. Yeah.

4036
02:54:32,479 --> 02:54:33,840
>> So, these windmills that we have up

4037
02:54:33,840 --> 02:54:36,399
there, we we put them in an I3

4038
02:54:36,399 --> 02:54:38,720
>> and this we're proposing an I1. That's a

4039
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:40,160
pretty big sticking point for me. So,

4040
02:54:40,160 --> 02:54:41,120
that's something we're probably need to

4041
02:54:41,120 --> 02:54:41,680
work through.

4042
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:43,200
>> Okay.

4043
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:46,399
>> Sort of related to Counciloman.

4044
02:54:46,399 --> 02:54:48,880
>> Yeah. Okay.

4045
02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:50,240
>> Councilman Tuk, uh,

4046
02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:51,680
>> not a whole lot at the moment, but in

4047
02:54:51,680 --> 02:54:54,240
regards to big picture, I I love the

4048
02:54:54,240 --> 02:54:56,160
comment earlier about uh the analogy

4049
02:54:56,160 --> 02:54:58,080
with heart surgery. I thought that was

4050
02:54:58,080 --> 02:54:59,600
fantastic if you remember that in

4051
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:02,479
regards to this conversation and so uh

4052
02:55:02,479 --> 02:55:05,600
all I'll say right now is that um you

4053
02:55:05,600 --> 02:55:07,920
know this is bigger than valition and I

4054
02:55:07,920 --> 02:55:09,600
feel like this is you know when we think

4055
02:55:09,600 --> 02:55:13,040
about this um it will affect future op

4056
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:14,880
you know operators uh technologies

4057
02:55:14,880 --> 02:55:17,439
ownership uh and so I'm just I'm glad

4058
02:55:17,439 --> 02:55:19,840
we're looking at from a 30,000 foot you

4059
02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:21,920
know view for a minute but may come back

4060
02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:22,960
but for now that's all same

4061
02:55:22,960 --> 02:55:27,600
>> perfect okay thank you um okay Uh the

4062
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:29,520
definitions are are pretty

4063
02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:31,279
self-explanatory

4064
02:55:31,279 --> 02:55:33,359
in these paragraphs. It kind of lays out

4065
02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:37,120
what um what everything means when we

4066
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:39,520
say something. I think the important

4067
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:42,479
part uh right there, the material

4068
02:55:42,479 --> 02:55:44,640
modification

4069
02:55:44,640 --> 02:55:46,160
um

4070
02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:49,600
is a change that that I don't think I I

4071
02:55:49,600 --> 02:55:52,240
want to belabor it of what Vaughan said

4072
02:55:52,240 --> 02:55:55,520
there, but you I I think it's important

4073
02:55:55,520 --> 02:55:58,319
for the the the public to know that

4074
02:55:58,319 --> 02:56:01,439
that's added language that that uh

4075
02:56:01,439 --> 02:56:03,600
wasn't there before

4076
02:56:03,600 --> 02:56:06,319
um that now is in Title 15 to where the

4077
02:56:06,319 --> 02:56:08,640
worry about approving something at title

4078
02:56:08,640 --> 02:56:11,680
15 and and now what can happen or what

4079
02:56:11,680 --> 02:56:13,840
could you do if something changed in the

4080
02:56:13,840 --> 02:56:16,160
format or in the company or or in all

4081
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:18,720
those different areas there uh that does

4082
02:56:18,720 --> 02:56:24,000
give you a uh a lot of guard rails if

4083
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:26,399
you will I think that's the right uh the

4084
02:56:26,399 --> 02:56:27,920
right

4085
02:56:27,920 --> 02:56:29,507
word Councilman Marshall and

4086
02:56:29,507 --> 02:56:31,359
[clears throat] enforcement issues if

4087
02:56:31,359 --> 02:56:34,479
any material modification happens and I

4088
02:56:34,479 --> 02:56:36,000
think some of the stuff that I've been

4089
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:38,319
sent had some of that in it. I think

4090
02:56:38,319 --> 02:56:40,880
some people said, "Hey, here's here's a

4091
02:56:40,880 --> 02:56:43,760
an article about uh noise or an article

4092
02:56:43,760 --> 02:56:47,120
about um emissions or something that had

4093
02:56:47,120 --> 02:56:48,960
happened." And when you clicked on that

4094
02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:52,319
and read the story, those were material

4095
02:56:52,319 --> 02:56:55,120
modifications in in a in in what was

4096
02:56:55,120 --> 02:56:57,840
proposed. instead of using, you know,

4097
02:56:57,840 --> 02:57:02,560
clean uh energy on site, it was big

4098
02:57:02,560 --> 02:57:05,120
diesel engines on site, even powered by

4099
02:57:05,120 --> 02:57:06,880
natural gas, but big diesel engines,

4100
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:09,120
right? So, um I think that's an

4101
02:57:09,120 --> 02:57:10,800
important paragraph to just point out. I

4102
02:57:10,800 --> 02:57:11,840
don't have any questions.

4103
02:57:11,840 --> 02:57:13,439
>> I think I think you're spot on. I think

4104
02:57:13,439 --> 02:57:14,880
a lot of questions we got, a lot of

4105
02:57:14,880 --> 02:57:17,120
feedback we got was beware of the bait

4106
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:17,680
and switch.

4107
02:57:17,680 --> 02:57:19,439
>> Y mayor, can I please

4108
02:57:19,439 --> 02:57:20,319
>> I think this helps.

4109
02:57:20,319 --> 02:57:23,120
>> Let me give an example of this exact

4110
02:57:23,120 --> 02:57:25,680
definition why it's in there. We just

4111
02:57:25,680 --> 02:57:27,120
before our meeting tonight, we got an

4112
02:57:27,120 --> 02:57:28,479
email from a resident with some

4113
02:57:28,479 --> 02:57:30,640
concerns. Top 10 concerns. One of those

4114
02:57:30,640 --> 02:57:32,160
concerns, the number one that they've

4115
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:34,080
listed here is that there's nothing in

4116
02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:36,560
the title after reviewing the latest

4117
02:57:36,560 --> 02:57:38,399
changes. They didn't see anything in

4118
02:57:38,399 --> 02:57:41,200
there that prohibits combustionbased

4119
02:57:41,200 --> 02:57:43,520
primary generation. Basically, she's

4120
02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:46,399
concerned if well, they're using Bloom

4121
02:57:46,399 --> 02:57:48,640
currently. What if later down the road

4122
02:57:48,640 --> 02:57:50,880
they decide to

4123
02:57:50,880 --> 02:57:52,880
go to some other technology that

4124
02:57:52,880 --> 02:57:56,160
actually causes a combustion, a flame?

4125
02:57:56,160 --> 02:57:59,840
This says that you cannot do that. Um,

4126
02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:02,000
if if they were to decide to do any

4127
02:58:02,000 --> 02:58:04,560
other change, that would have to come

4128
02:58:04,560 --> 02:58:06,479
back before the city council because of

4129
02:58:06,479 --> 02:58:09,359
this change or this addition that we've

4130
02:58:09,359 --> 02:58:11,200
put into the latest version of the code.

4131
02:58:11,200 --> 02:58:12,319
So, that's just an example.

4132
02:58:12,319 --> 02:58:14,399
>> That's a great great example, Kevin. Um,

4133
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:15,840
question for you, Von. Who approves of

4134
02:58:15,840 --> 02:58:17,680
this? who who proves a material

4135
02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:20,399
modification, does it come back here?

4136
02:58:20,399 --> 02:58:22,160
>> It likely would if it's a amendment to

4137
02:58:22,160 --> 02:58:23,680
the development agreement, for example,

4138
02:58:23,680 --> 02:58:26,560
to vary any of those standards in there,

4139
02:58:26,560 --> 02:58:28,960
possibly the DRC if it's a site plan

4140
02:58:28,960 --> 02:58:32,560
modification. Um, so yeah, probably the

4141
02:58:32,560 --> 02:58:34,640
council for development agreement.

4142
02:58:34,640 --> 02:58:37,439
>> Okay. So because title 15 requires a

4143
02:58:37,439 --> 02:58:40,080
development agreement now

4144
02:58:40,080 --> 02:58:42,319
regardless of the number of data centers

4145
02:58:42,319 --> 02:58:45,120
allowed in Spanish Fork city council

4146
02:58:45,120 --> 02:58:47,359
would always approve the development

4147
02:58:47,359 --> 02:58:47,840
agreement

4148
02:58:47,840 --> 02:58:50,000
>> right if there were no there's still the

4149
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:51,439
development agreement requirement

4150
02:58:51,439 --> 02:58:53,600
>> there may not be a public hearing on it

4151
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:55,680
but it would be at least debated and

4152
02:58:55,680 --> 02:58:56,560
talked about right

4153
02:58:56,560 --> 02:58:57,680
>> in a public setting

4154
02:58:57,680 --> 02:58:58,160
>> correct

4155
02:58:58,160 --> 02:59:01,359
>> okay all right

4156
02:59:01,359 --> 02:59:03,920
>> I think one thing that was added in

4157
02:59:03,920 --> 02:59:05,920
there that as I understood it and maybe

4158
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:08,000
you can correct me Seth or or Von if I'm

4159
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:11,040
wrong but [clears throat] like modifying

4160
02:59:11,040 --> 02:59:13,760
a a DAQ permit and saying to the

4161
02:59:13,760 --> 02:59:15,760
Division of Air Quality, hey, we can

4162
02:59:15,760 --> 02:59:18,479
still fit under these standards and and

4163
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:19,760
this is the new thing we're going to do

4164
02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:22,479
instead of this thing. Just the

4165
02:59:22,479 --> 02:59:25,680
modification request is a material

4166
02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:28,080
>> uh modification to us. Right.

4167
02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:28,720
>> That's correct.

4168
02:59:28,720 --> 02:59:30,560
>> Right. So, for example, another one on

4169
02:59:30,560 --> 02:59:33,680
that bloom. Don't ask me why, but I

4170
02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:35,439
spent a couple of hours Saturday

4171
02:59:35,439 --> 02:59:37,840
watching their sales call. And

4172
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:38,399
>> why

4173
02:59:38,399 --> 02:59:40,240
>> their sales call? You said not to.

4174
02:59:40,240 --> 02:59:42,160
>> Yeah, their sales call. So, one thing

4175
02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:46,160
that's never been discussed and that Valition's never really brought up

4176
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:50,160
is BU Bloom has futureproofed their

4177
02:59:50,160 --> 02:59:53,200
equipment, meaning you can it currently

4178
02:59:53,200 --> 02:59:55,920
uses natural gas, but in the future you

4179
02:59:55,920 --> 02:59:57,920
can change that to hydrogen

4180
02:59:57,920 --> 03:00:00,319
>> and so which is a cleaner could be a

4181
03:00:00,319 --> 03:00:03,359
cleaner solution, but because they would

4182
03:00:03,359 --> 03:00:05,040
be switching from natural gas to

4183
03:00:05,040 --> 03:00:06,720
hydrogen, there would be a change in the

4184
03:00:06,720 --> 03:00:08,880
equipment that would have to come again

4185
03:00:08,880 --> 03:00:10,960
to the Spanish Fork to the city cil.

4186
03:00:10,960 --> 03:00:12,960
also before that could before that could

4187
03:00:12,960 --> 03:00:14,319
happen.

4188
03:00:14,319 --> 03:00:17,439
>> That's right.

4189
03:00:17,439 --> 03:00:20,640
>> So, what one of the questions we got was

4190
03:00:20,640 --> 03:00:24,640
if if a data center was approved on a

4191
03:00:24,640 --> 03:00:26,160
parcel of land, could they subdivise

4192
03:00:26,160 --> 03:00:28,880
that land and build a second one?

4193
03:00:28,880 --> 03:00:30,000
>> No,

4194
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:31,279
>> that's a material change.

4195
03:00:31,279 --> 03:00:31,680
>> Yeah.

4196
03:00:31,680 --> 03:00:32,000
>> Okay.

4197
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:33,120
>> They're only allowed to have one.

4198
03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:34,319
>> Yeah. And I think that's specifically

4199
03:00:34,319 --> 03:00:36,319
prohibited in in the subsequent

4200
03:00:36,319 --> 03:00:37,040
language.

4201
03:00:37,040 --> 03:00:37,760
>> Perfect.

4202
03:00:37,760 --> 03:00:40,160
>> Thank you.

4203
03:00:40,160 --> 03:00:42,720
Okay, there's the material modification

4204
03:00:42,720 --> 03:00:44,240
uh paragraph that I think is important

4205
03:00:44,240 --> 03:00:50,070
in those definition areas. Um

4206
03:00:50,080 --> 03:00:57,910
I1 light industrial zone

4207
03:00:57,920 --> 03:01:02,880
that just says what uses are subject to the conditions

4208
03:01:02,880 --> 03:01:03,840
that we're talking about.

4209
03:01:03,840 --> 03:01:08,469
>> Okay.

4210
03:01:08,479 --> 03:01:11,120
So, if we were to talk about the right

4211
03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:13,200
zone, that would be the section to talk

4212
03:01:13,200 --> 03:01:14,560
about it.

4213
03:01:14,560 --> 03:01:18,469
>> Y

4214
03:01:18,479 --> 03:01:21,120
» Yeah. L1 light industrial. So, to

4215
03:01:21,120 --> 03:01:23,040
Jesse's point, the council

4216
03:01:23,040 --> 03:01:24,479
>> Jesse, we're just scrolling past.

4217
03:01:24,479 --> 03:01:26,240
>> I know, right? Just going right past it.

4218
03:01:26,240 --> 03:01:27,680
>> Come on.

4219
03:01:27,680 --> 03:01:30,720
>> Yeah. So, since [clears throat]

4220
03:01:30,720 --> 03:01:32,880
this isn't any news to any city staff

4221
03:01:32,880 --> 03:01:34,560
member, I've talked about this since the

4222
03:01:34,560 --> 03:01:36,960
beginning. One of the things that's just

4223
03:01:36,960 --> 03:01:38,399
been a little bit when we're talking

4224
03:01:38,399 --> 03:01:40,160
about the amount of power that is being

4225
03:01:40,160 --> 03:01:42,479
generated on this site, it's a lot,

4226
03:01:42,479 --> 03:01:44,479
right? We're talking upwards of 400

4227
03:01:44,479 --> 03:01:46,080
megawws.

4228
03:01:46,080 --> 03:01:48,160
Um, it's just been a little bit

4229
03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:49,359
interesting. So, when I was looking

4230
03:01:49,359 --> 03:01:53,359
through our municipal code, um, yeah, in

4231
03:01:53,359 --> 03:01:54,960
I3, which I didn't even know we had an

4232
03:01:54,960 --> 03:01:57,359
I3 until today or this week, I guess it

4233
03:01:57,359 --> 03:02:00,000
wasn't today, it was this week, but I3

4234
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:02,000
use subject to conditions, large wind

4235
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:07,120
energy systems is on there. Um, I was

4236
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:08,960
always under the impression, well, I was

4237
03:02:08,960 --> 03:02:11,040
looking at I2 because it felt like that

4238
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:12,640
was a better zoning district. And so,

4239
03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:14,640
I'm not saying which one is right. Are

4240
03:02:14,640 --> 03:02:16,319
any of these right? It could be a new

4241
03:02:16,319 --> 03:02:17,760
zoning district that we need to add to

4242
03:02:17,760 --> 03:02:20,080
the code. I don't feel like light

4243
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:21,680
industrial really describes what's

4244
03:02:21,680 --> 03:02:23,120
happening with the amount of power that

4245
03:02:23,120 --> 03:02:25,840
is being generated on there because when

4246
03:02:25,840 --> 03:02:30,080
it says um in our municipal code it says

4247
03:02:30,080 --> 03:02:32,399
uh employment related uses include light

4248
03:02:32,399 --> 03:02:34,000
manufacturing, assembly warehouses and

4249
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:36,640
wholesale activities. Associated offices

4250
03:02:36,640 --> 03:02:38,960
support commercial uses are allowed.

4251
03:02:38,960 --> 03:02:40,880
Uses that emit significant amount of

4252
03:02:40,880 --> 03:02:42,560
air, water and noise pollution will not

4253
03:02:42,560 --> 03:02:44,880
be allowed. residential uses are not

4254
03:02:44,880 --> 03:02:46,880
allowed. And then it goes on to tell you

4255
03:02:46,880 --> 03:02:50,640
what they are. And just for maybe for

4256
03:02:50,640 --> 03:02:53,920
our knowledge, concrete, a concrete

4257
03:02:53,920 --> 03:02:55,439
company would not be able to function in

4258
03:02:55,439 --> 03:02:56,880
our I1 zone. It would have to be in an

4259
03:02:56,880 --> 03:02:59,760
I2. So if that was the proposal that

4260
03:02:59,760 --> 03:03:01,920
ended up buying the building if decide

4261
03:03:01,920 --> 03:03:03,760
to move on, they would have to come to

4262
03:03:03,760 --> 03:03:06,000
us before they could do that on that

4263
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:08,399
site.

4264
03:03:08,399 --> 03:03:10,479
So your your argument is that because

4265
03:03:10,479 --> 03:03:12,000
it's generating a large amount of power,

4266
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:13,600
it doesn't fit in the light industry.

4267
03:03:13,600 --> 03:03:17,200
It's a power generation issue, not a

4268
03:03:17,200 --> 03:03:18,880
potential impact problem.

4269
03:03:18,880 --> 03:03:21,200
>> Correct. And as I as I studied, as I

4270
03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:23,200
looked at it, we went to I went to what

4271
03:03:23,200 --> 03:03:25,120
the councilman took, we went up to NOVA

4272
03:03:25,120 --> 03:03:27,359
this last week on Monday. Thank you to

4273
03:03:27,359 --> 03:03:28,880
Valition's team for helping us get there

4274
03:03:28,880 --> 03:03:31,439
and city staff. Um, one of the things I

4275
03:03:31,439 --> 03:03:33,439
started looking at while I was before we

4276
03:03:33,439 --> 03:03:37,120
went is their zoning of their area and

4277
03:03:37,120 --> 03:03:38,479
those I think everybody's been there at

4278
03:03:38,479 --> 03:03:41,600
this point, but um, one of the

4279
03:03:41,600 --> 03:03:43,040
interesting

4280
03:03:43,040 --> 03:03:45,359
>> Shane has not been there for the record.

4281
03:03:45,359 --> 03:03:46,560
Um,

4282
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:48,479
>> that

4283
03:03:48,479 --> 03:03:51,120
the area around it is their zoning is

4284
03:03:51,120 --> 03:03:52,640
obviously different. Every municipality

4285
03:03:52,640 --> 03:03:55,040
is different, but theirs is in their

4286
03:03:55,040 --> 03:03:58,000
higher manufacturing district in that

4287
03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:00,080
area. So that kind of started leading

4288
03:04:00,080 --> 03:04:02,319
down that maybe that path of researching

4289
03:04:02,319 --> 03:04:04,560
it more and understanding. And I don't

4290
03:04:04,560 --> 03:04:06,319
know all the data centers in Utah. I

4291
03:04:06,319 --> 03:04:09,439
don't know where they all exist, but um

4292
03:04:09,439 --> 03:04:12,000
it seems like a data center itself

4293
03:04:12,000 --> 03:04:14,240
probably could fit in our I1. It's the

4294
03:04:14,240 --> 03:04:16,960
power generation that probably in my

4295
03:04:16,960 --> 03:04:19,600
opinion doesn't fit well in the I1

4296
03:04:19,600 --> 03:04:22,160
industrial area.

4297
03:04:22,160 --> 03:04:25,279
Do you think there's any uh semblance of

4298
03:04:25,279 --> 03:04:28,880
um of you know when usually when we're

4299
03:04:28,880 --> 03:04:31,600
making zoning decisions about what can

4300
03:04:31,600 --> 03:04:34,399
be an industrial one it's because hey

4301
03:04:34,399 --> 03:04:35,680
now that's forever going to be an

4302
03:04:35,680 --> 03:04:38,080
industrial one.

4303
03:04:38,080 --> 03:04:41,760
Um, do you think some of your concerns

4304
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:45,359
are covered uh or helped to be mitigated

4305
03:04:45,359 --> 03:04:48,399
at all by the covenants here that we're

4306
03:04:48,399 --> 03:04:52,560
going into as far as that wouldn't open

4307
03:04:52,560 --> 03:04:56,800
another data center to be approved in

4308
03:04:56,800 --> 03:04:59,760
our city? So, so if a data center can be

4309
03:04:59,760 --> 03:05:03,120
in I1, it's not like another data center

4310
03:05:03,120 --> 03:05:05,120
could pop up in I1

4311
03:05:05,120 --> 03:05:07,279
>> out by the airport. Not today, but

4312
03:05:07,279 --> 03:05:09,359
another city council could very well

4313
03:05:09,359 --> 03:05:10,960
decide that yeah, we can change that

4314
03:05:10,960 --> 03:05:13,359
from 1 to 10, right?

4315
03:05:13,359 --> 03:05:15,920
>> But what's written is that it can't

4316
03:05:15,920 --> 03:05:17,760
change without a public hearing,

4317
03:05:17,760 --> 03:05:18,720
>> right? It have to go through a public

4318
03:05:18,720 --> 03:05:21,439
process. I I I I get that. I do think

4319
03:05:21,439 --> 03:05:23,840
that when we're talking, and this is the

4320
03:05:23,840 --> 03:05:25,439
planning commissioner and me, so take

4321
03:05:25,439 --> 03:05:29,200
that for what it's worth, is um that

4322
03:05:29,200 --> 03:05:30,800
when we're talking Title 15, it's

4323
03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:32,399
important that we are looking at the

4324
03:05:32,399 --> 03:05:33,840
next project, not necessarily always

4325
03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:35,520
just this project. and what we're

4326
03:05:35,520 --> 03:05:35,920
opening.

4327
03:05:35,920 --> 03:05:36,800
>> Not a one-off.

4328
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:39,439
Shane's favorite thing.

4329
03:05:39,439 --> 03:05:40,880
>> But I do think that it's important that

4330
03:05:40,880 --> 03:05:43,200
we we put it where it's intended to be

4331
03:05:43,200 --> 03:05:45,279
from the beginning, not necessarily just

4332
03:05:45,279 --> 03:05:47,040
because of what project is in front of

4333
03:05:47,040 --> 03:05:48,960
us. Cuz to some of the things that we've

4334
03:05:48,960 --> 03:05:50,640
talked about, if Valition sold to

4335
03:05:50,640 --> 03:05:53,520
another company or they didn't produce

4336
03:05:53,520 --> 03:05:55,840
this, but we approved Title 15, another

4337
03:05:55,840 --> 03:06:00,399
company can then come in front of us to go about this without maybe some of

4338
03:06:00,399 --> 03:06:01,600
the public process because there

4339
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:03,359
wouldn't be a data center in Spanish

4340
03:06:03,359 --> 03:06:06,160
Fork at this time.

4341
03:06:06,160 --> 03:06:08,880
If we did a data center overlay, we

4342
03:06:08,880 --> 03:06:11,279
would have to have a public hearing,

4343
03:06:11,279 --> 03:06:13,200
public process every single time.

4344
03:06:13,200 --> 03:06:14,560
Correct.

4345
03:06:14,560 --> 03:06:15,600
>> I don't know the answer to that

4346
03:06:15,600 --> 03:06:16,800
question.

4347
03:06:16,800 --> 03:06:18,880
>> Yes, that's correct. Okay.

4348
03:06:18,880 --> 03:06:20,960
>> Thank you.

4349
03:06:20,960 --> 03:06:22,560
>> So, how would Dave, how would that

4350
03:06:22,560 --> 03:06:25,600
overlay look work? I mean, we have one

4351
03:06:25,600 --> 03:06:27,760
that's called large utility facility

4352
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:29,760
overlay zone, correct?

4353
03:06:29,760 --> 03:06:30,319
>> So,

4354
03:06:30,319 --> 03:06:31,120
>> not anymore.

4355
03:06:31,120 --> 03:06:32,960
>> Not Oh, yeah. We we took that off. We

4356
03:06:32,960 --> 03:06:35,279
approved it and we Okay.

4357
03:06:35,279 --> 03:06:37,040
How to work just from an overlay

4358
03:06:37,040 --> 03:06:38,720
perspective?

4359
03:06:38,720 --> 03:06:43,520
>> Yeah. So, um, an overlay is a change to

4360
03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:45,840
the city's zoning map. So, it changes

4361
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:48,560
the law relative to uses that are

4362
03:06:48,560 --> 03:06:50,640
allowed on a particular piece of

4363
03:06:50,640 --> 03:06:52,640
property, particular geography in the

4364
03:06:52,640 --> 03:06:56,240
community. Um, the city council, you

4365
03:06:56,240 --> 03:06:58,160
guys review changes to the zoning map on

4366
03:06:58,160 --> 03:07:00,319
a typically a monthly basis. there seems

4367
03:07:00,319 --> 03:07:01,680
to always be something in the works here

4368
03:07:01,680 --> 03:07:04,640
in town to where that's that's on an

4369
03:07:04,640 --> 03:07:07,920
agenda. Uh

4370
03:07:07,920 --> 03:07:10,240
that certainly is a tool that you have

4371
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:12,160
at, you know, your disposal if you'd

4372
03:07:12,160 --> 03:07:14,800
like us to prepare

4373
03:07:14,800 --> 03:07:19,840
uh language to create an overlay um to

4374
03:07:19,840 --> 03:07:21,040
address the different things that have

4375
03:07:21,040 --> 03:07:22,319
been talked about relative to this

4376
03:07:22,319 --> 03:07:26,000
proposal. Um that could be considered as

4377
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:28,319
a text amendment to create the overlay.

4378
03:07:28,319 --> 03:07:29,920
And at the same time, if you chose to,

4379
03:07:29,920 --> 03:07:32,000
you could act on a map amendment to put

4380
03:07:32,000 --> 03:07:35,439
that overlay in place on any particular

4381
03:07:35,439 --> 03:07:39,760
property that that you wanted to.

4382
03:07:39,760 --> 03:07:41,359
We'd have we'd go through there's a

4383
03:07:41,359 --> 03:07:43,200
process that we always go through which

4384
03:07:43,200 --> 03:07:44,399
involves a certain amount of public

4385
03:07:44,399 --> 03:07:47,040
notice um in advance of public hearings.

4386
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:48,720
In the case of both the creation of the

4387
03:07:48,720 --> 03:07:51,760
text amendment and uh the map amendment,

4388
03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:52,800
there would be a public hearing with

4389
03:07:52,800 --> 03:07:53,920
both the planning commission and the

4390
03:07:53,920 --> 03:07:55,840
city council.

4391
03:07:55,840 --> 03:07:57,680
But that it couldn't apply anywhere in

4392
03:07:57,680 --> 03:07:59,200
the city, right?

4393
03:07:59,200 --> 03:08:00,560
>> It depends on how it's written. Okay.

4394
03:08:00,560 --> 03:08:02,640
So, some of our overlays are zone

4395
03:08:02,640 --> 03:08:05,120
specific. In fact, I think most of them

4396
03:08:05,120 --> 03:08:06,435
are. [clears throat]

4397
03:08:06,435 --> 03:08:06,479
[snorts]

4398
03:08:06,479 --> 03:08:08,720
>> Um, some of them can be applied in

4399
03:08:08,720 --> 03:08:11,200
multiple zoning districts. Some are more

4400
03:08:11,200 --> 03:08:12,240
restrictive.

4401
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:14,399
>> For example, you could say if there was

4402
03:08:14,399 --> 03:08:16,800
a data center overlay

4403
03:08:16,800 --> 03:08:19,120
zone, is it a zone?

4404
03:08:19,120 --> 03:08:20,479
>> I would call them a zone.

4405
03:08:20,479 --> 03:08:22,399
>> Okay. So if there was a data center

4406
03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:24,960
overlay zone, it could apply in I1, two,

4407
03:08:24,960 --> 03:08:26,479
or three.

4408
03:08:26,479 --> 03:08:27,760
>> Or all three.

4409
03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:29,279
>> However you wanted. Exactly.

4410
03:08:29,279 --> 03:08:31,520
>> All right.

4411
03:08:31,520 --> 03:08:33,359
>> And in an overlay, we wouldn't put

4412
03:08:33,359 --> 03:08:36,560
there. There's only one because multiple

4413
03:08:36,560 --> 03:08:39,040
applicants could come in and apply for

4414
03:08:39,040 --> 03:08:41,200
that overlay zone. Correct.

4415
03:08:41,200 --> 03:08:43,120
>> You know, I think you could have a quota

4416
03:08:43,120 --> 03:08:46,560
with an overlay zone. I'd let Mr. Pel

4417
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:49,359
weigh in on that if you wanted to. uh we

4418
03:08:49,359 --> 03:08:52,240
don't have that in place for any of the

4419
03:08:52,240 --> 03:08:54,479
overlays that we have on the books

4420
03:08:54,479 --> 03:08:55,760
today.

4421
03:08:55,760 --> 03:08:56,880
>> Okay.

4422
03:08:56,880 --> 03:08:58,160
>> And everything that we're going to talk

4423
03:08:58,160 --> 03:09:00,479
about in this title 15 change could

4424
03:09:00,479 --> 03:09:03,040
apply to that overlay. You these same

4425
03:09:03,040 --> 03:09:05,840
set of rules would say this is the these

4426
03:09:05,840 --> 03:09:07,040
are the rules you need to live by if you

4427
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:08,960
want to use this overlay. I think what's

4428
03:09:08,960 --> 03:09:10,800
proposed tonight would translate really

4429
03:09:10,800 --> 03:09:13,040
well and in order for somebody to

4430
03:09:13,040 --> 03:09:17,200
qualify to be approved with the overlay,

4431
03:09:17,200 --> 03:09:18,560
they would have to meet the conditions

4432
03:09:18,560 --> 03:09:21,040
that are are already before the council.

4433
03:09:21,040 --> 03:09:22,080
>> Okay.

4434
03:09:22,080 --> 03:09:26,560
>> So, can you explain the pros and cons

4435
03:09:26,560 --> 03:09:28,640
like with an overlay? Like it would be

4436
03:09:28,640 --> 03:09:31,439
more strict an overlay, correct?

4437
03:09:31,439 --> 03:09:33,040
>> Or would that just depend on how it's

4438
03:09:33,040 --> 03:09:35,840
written? Uh, I think it would work much

4439
03:09:35,840 --> 03:09:40,720
like what's being proposed today. Um,

4440
03:09:40,720 --> 03:09:46,160
I like overlays. I like the idea of

4441
03:09:46,160 --> 03:09:48,319
having a process that involves a

4442
03:09:48,319 --> 03:09:52,080
sightspecific review and uh ultimately

4443
03:09:52,080 --> 03:09:54,560
the council being to act legislatively

4444
03:09:54,560 --> 03:09:56,960
on a land use proposal. So, I'm a fan of

4445
03:09:56,960 --> 03:10:00,240
that. Um, I think some communities do

4446
03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:02,640
overuse them. I don't think we're there

4447
03:10:02,640 --> 03:10:05,439
yet. Um,

4448
03:10:05,439 --> 03:10:08,319
in this case, we've been through the

4449
03:10:08,319 --> 03:10:10,720
same process that I would expect us to

4450
03:10:10,720 --> 03:10:14,160
go through um to get to a point to where

4451
03:10:14,160 --> 03:10:16,399
the council could act on what it would

4452
03:10:16,399 --> 03:10:18,399
take to put an overlay in place for the

4453
03:10:18,399 --> 03:10:23,349
project that's proposed. Um,

4454
03:10:23,359 --> 03:10:25,920
but really it it wouldn't differ from

4455
03:10:25,920 --> 03:10:28,960
what we've we've done so far. I guess

4456
03:10:28,960 --> 03:10:30,240
that's where I'm trying to get to with

4457
03:10:30,240 --> 03:10:34,399
my questions is is changing a zone from

4458
03:10:34,399 --> 03:10:37,439
one to the other is the process that

4459
03:10:37,439 --> 03:10:40,240
we're probably going through now to be

4460
03:10:40,240 --> 03:10:43,520
that specific and same with the overlay

4461
03:10:43,520 --> 03:10:47,120
discussion of it. Uh especially with

4462
03:10:47,120 --> 03:10:49,439
some of the contractual, you know,

4463
03:10:49,439 --> 03:10:51,359
development agreement stuff that's in

4464
03:10:51,359 --> 03:10:55,600
here in addition to title 15 stuff.

4465
03:10:55,600 --> 03:10:57,279
Uh, the more that I think about it, I

4466
03:10:57,279 --> 03:10:59,439
think it might just boil down to your

4467
03:10:59,439 --> 03:11:04,240
preference as to how you'd like to see

4468
03:11:04,240 --> 03:11:07,120
um this particular land use handled from

4469
03:11:07,120 --> 03:11:08,880
a zoning perspective.

4470
03:11:08,880 --> 03:11:11,040
>> Mayor, I think I think you are exactly

4471
03:11:11,040 --> 03:11:13,359
correct. I think that we would be in the

4472
03:11:13,359 --> 03:11:15,680
exact same position we are right now had

4473
03:11:15,680 --> 03:11:18,160
we chose to change the zone, put an

4474
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:21,920
overlay to it. The process is identical

4475
03:11:21,920 --> 03:11:24,560
up to this point. For me, it's about the

4476
03:11:24,560 --> 03:11:28,080
next one. And maybe that can be maybe

4477
03:11:28,080 --> 03:11:31,600
we'll get Title 15 in a in a place that

4478
03:11:31,600 --> 03:11:34,000
we're comfortable with, whether that's

4479
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:35,200
tonight or two weeks from now, whenever

4480
03:11:35,200 --> 03:11:37,359
that might be

4481
03:11:37,359 --> 03:11:38,880
that

4482
03:11:38,880 --> 03:11:41,439
we say, "Okay, those are the rules.

4483
03:11:41,439 --> 03:11:44,399
Current applicant, go follow them."

4484
03:11:44,399 --> 03:11:48,560
But we work on a better public a more

4485
03:11:48,560 --> 03:11:51,200
robust public process than subject to

4486
03:11:51,200 --> 03:11:52,880
conditions

4487
03:11:52,880 --> 03:11:55,760
for what could be the next one. You know

4488
03:11:55,760 --> 03:11:57,840
what I'm saying? Because I think really

4489
03:11:57,840 --> 03:12:01,200
you I think your argument was is and

4490
03:12:01,200 --> 03:12:02,800
it's a valid one. I don't want to back

4491
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:05,359
up and go back through the process

4492
03:12:05,359 --> 03:12:07,040
because it's identical to where we are

4493
03:12:07,040 --> 03:12:11,200
today. And I I I agree with that part.

4494
03:12:11,200 --> 03:12:14,640
But I I think once this is changed, I'm

4495
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:16,560
not comfortable

4496
03:12:16,560 --> 03:12:19,520
going through what would be the future

4497
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:22,319
process because it won't be like this.

4498
03:12:22,319 --> 03:12:24,240
>> But how would there be a future process

4499
03:12:24,240 --> 03:12:25,600
if we approved it?

4500
03:12:25,600 --> 03:12:29,200
>> We'd come back in a month and say staff

4501
03:12:29,200 --> 03:12:31,359
prepare an overlay zone with this title

4502
03:12:31,359 --> 03:12:33,439
with these requirements to it and we

4503
03:12:33,439 --> 03:12:35,840
changed 15

4504
03:12:35,840 --> 03:12:37,040
>> after we've approved it.

4505
03:12:37,040 --> 03:12:40,883
>> You can do that, right?

4506
03:12:40,883 --> 03:12:41,840
>> [clears throat]

4507
03:12:41,840 --> 03:12:42,960
>> What's the squinching?

4508
03:12:42,960 --> 03:12:44,319
>> I'm thinking through what you said. So

4509
03:12:44,319 --> 03:12:45,920
after we approve title 15,

4510
03:12:45,920 --> 03:12:48,080
>> so we could I think we could if we're

4511
03:12:48,080 --> 03:12:50,640
comfortable at some point that title 15

4512
03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:52,800
has the the guard rails, the

4513
03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:54,080
accountability, all the things that we

4514
03:12:54,080 --> 03:12:56,560
talked about or I think we all talked

4515
03:12:56,560 --> 03:12:59,600
about is in place today. There's an

4516
03:12:59,600 --> 03:13:02,160
applicant in front of us. We can say we

4517
03:13:02,160 --> 03:13:04,800
approve it. Go forward, start working on

4518
03:13:04,800 --> 03:13:06,160
the development agreement. We'll prove

4519
03:13:06,160 --> 03:13:08,560
that in some we will we'll debate that

4520
03:13:08,560 --> 03:13:12,960
in a future council meeting.

4521
03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:16,960
We then say staff, we like the idea of a

4522
03:13:16,960 --> 03:13:20,000
title or a zone change or a zone overlay

4523
03:13:20,000 --> 03:13:21,920
for the next round of this. Prepare

4524
03:13:21,920 --> 03:13:23,840
title 15

4525
03:13:23,840 --> 03:13:25,760
for that. You basically just cut and

4526
03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:29,359
paste these rules into the future

4527
03:13:29,359 --> 03:13:33,760
process. That way we have a very

4528
03:13:33,760 --> 03:13:37,040
transparent public process if this

4529
03:13:37,040 --> 03:13:40,469
happens again

4530
03:13:40,479 --> 03:13:41,520
without having to [clears throat] back

4531
03:13:41,520 --> 03:13:43,600
up and walk through this exact same

4532
03:13:43,600 --> 03:13:48,160
thing over the next two months. It's not

4533
03:13:48,160 --> 03:13:50,880
super clean,

4534
03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:52,880
but it it continues this thing moving

4535
03:13:52,880 --> 03:13:56,160
forward assuming that we can get to a

4536
03:13:56,160 --> 03:13:59,439
vote at some point on Title 15. Let me

4537
03:13:59,439 --> 03:14:01,439
share some thoughts if I can.

4538
03:14:01,439 --> 03:14:02,080
>> Nope.

4539
03:14:02,080 --> 03:14:04,880
>> Just change the meeting now.

4540
03:14:04,880 --> 03:14:06,000
>> So, [laughter]

4541
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:08,319
so I've been thinking I I don't have any

4542
03:14:08,319 --> 03:14:11,120
concerns whether this

4543
03:14:11,120 --> 03:14:13,279
moved to an I3 or an overlay or any of

4544
03:14:13,279 --> 03:14:15,120
that, but I guess the question that I've

4545
03:14:15,120 --> 03:14:18,239
got is what's the purpose behind

4546
03:14:18,239 --> 03:14:20,800
different zoning

4547
03:14:20,800 --> 03:14:23,520
districts?

4548
03:14:23,520 --> 03:14:25,040
Why do we have different zone? Why is

4549
03:14:25,040 --> 03:14:27,520
there an I1 and I2 and I3? What what's

4550
03:14:27,520 --> 03:14:28,880
the purpose?

4551
03:14:28,880 --> 03:14:30,640
>> Don't look like this is rhetorical and a

4552
03:14:30,640 --> 03:14:31,279
test.

4553
03:14:31,279 --> 03:14:32,399
>> You just tell us, Kevin.

4554
03:14:32,399 --> 03:14:33,680
>> Yeah, you just you just tell us.

4555
03:14:33,680 --> 03:14:34,399
>> I'm curious.

4556
03:14:34,399 --> 03:14:36,560
>> Yeah, Dave Oiler said,

4557
03:14:36,560 --> 03:14:38,880
>> what's why do we have different zoning

4558
03:14:38,880 --> 03:14:40,239
districts? What's the purpose behind

4559
03:14:40,239 --> 03:14:40,560
them?

4560
03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:42,560
>> Each of them have different development

4561
03:14:42,560 --> 03:14:43,680
categories.

4562
03:14:43,680 --> 03:14:44,720
>> Why?

4563
03:14:44,720 --> 03:14:46,239
>> Because they're different uses.

4564
03:14:46,239 --> 03:14:47,359
>> Why?

4565
03:14:47,359 --> 03:14:49,200
>> Oh, Dad, stop it.

4566
03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:50,960
>> I'm not going to keep going. I think

4567
03:14:50,960 --> 03:14:51,840
different effects.

4568
03:14:51,840 --> 03:14:53,760
>> Let me use the example you gave. So, you

4569
03:14:53,760 --> 03:14:56,000
talked about the i3 with windmills. Just

4570
03:14:56,000 --> 03:14:58,000
to share just the example you gave. Why

4571
03:14:58,000 --> 03:15:01,040
are those in an i3 and not an i1? Is it

4572
03:15:01,040 --> 03:15:03,359
because of the power generation? We

4573
03:15:03,359 --> 03:15:06,160
already proved or found out that they

4574
03:15:06,160 --> 03:15:07,920
don't produce nearly what this will

4575
03:15:07,920 --> 03:15:09,279
produce. So, it's not because of the

4576
03:15:09,279 --> 03:15:11,359
power generation. It's because they're

4577
03:15:11,359 --> 03:15:15,840
dang tall. And I3 has to be a certain

4578
03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:19,600
distance away from a residential area.

4579
03:15:19,600 --> 03:15:21,359
You don't want those falling down on

4580
03:15:21,359 --> 03:15:23,680
houses or falling down on vehicles or

4581
03:15:23,680 --> 03:15:26,800
people. And so I3

4582
03:15:26,800 --> 03:15:29,120
has different reason re different

4583
03:15:29,120 --> 03:15:32,880
restrictions or or

4584
03:15:32,880 --> 03:15:36,000
laws because of the impact that

4585
03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:38,000
something in an I3 would have compared

4586
03:15:38,000 --> 03:15:40,399
to something in an I2 or an I1. So for

4587
03:15:40,399 --> 03:15:43,279
me, it's I don't care which zoning

4588
03:15:43,279 --> 03:15:45,760
district it's in. It's how is it going

4589
03:15:45,760 --> 03:15:48,800
to affect or impact the people or the

4590
03:15:48,800 --> 03:15:51,600
businesses that are around it. We've got

4591
03:15:51,600 --> 03:15:54,560
examples all over the place of

4592
03:15:54,560 --> 03:15:56,479
businesses in our commercial zone that

4593
03:15:56,479 --> 03:15:59,279
we've permitted that cause an impact to

4594
03:15:59,279 --> 03:16:02,479
homes right next door. Car washes that

4595
03:16:02,479 --> 03:16:04,640
have produced sounds that keep people up

4596
03:16:04,640 --> 03:16:06,800
at night that we've had to go back and

4597
03:16:06,800 --> 03:16:10,080
adjust and fix because of the impact

4598
03:16:10,080 --> 03:16:12,880
that they have. We've had industrial

4599
03:16:12,880 --> 03:16:19,920
areas that produce a sound in indust in an I1 zone or an I2 zone that cause

4600
03:16:19,920 --> 03:16:21,920
an impact that we've had to try and

4601
03:16:21,920 --> 03:16:25,840
retrofit and fix. We've had gravel

4602
03:16:25,840 --> 03:16:28,560
yards. I can't tell you how many emails

4603
03:16:28,560 --> 03:16:30,560
and calls I got about a gravel yard

4604
03:16:30,560 --> 03:16:32,560
that's now being developed into

4605
03:16:32,560 --> 03:16:34,800
residential that every time the wind

4606
03:16:34,800 --> 03:16:37,439
blew, there was a plume of dust that

4607
03:16:37,439 --> 03:16:40,080
came into these people's backyards and

4608
03:16:40,080 --> 03:16:42,319
it was causing an impact because of the

4609
03:16:42,319 --> 03:16:44,399
zoning it was in. What could we have

4610
03:16:44,399 --> 03:16:46,239
done differently?

4611
03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:48,479
We could have spent the time that we're

4612
03:16:48,479 --> 03:16:50,720
spending on this to try and reduce the

4613
03:16:50,720 --> 03:16:53,680
impact that those zones or those those

4614
03:16:53,680 --> 03:16:56,000
things cause. Doesn't matter which zone

4615
03:16:56,000 --> 03:16:57,920
they're in. It's how do we make sure

4616
03:16:57,920 --> 03:16:59,680
that the impact of whatever we're

4617
03:16:59,680 --> 03:17:03,040
allowing or not allowing doesn't affect

4618
03:17:03,040 --> 03:17:05,120
in a detrimental way the people around

4619
03:17:05,120 --> 03:17:08,239
it. So, as far as the the zone, I'm I'm

4620
03:17:08,239 --> 03:17:10,160
totally fine if we do an overlay or if

4621
03:17:10,160 --> 03:17:13,359
we do, but I think we're kind of missing

4622
03:17:13,359 --> 03:17:15,760
the point of

4623
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:18,479
not focusing on what's the impact going

4624
03:17:18,479 --> 03:17:20,720
to be, not just of this, but anything

4625
03:17:20,720 --> 03:17:23,439
that we approve in council, when we're

4626
03:17:23,439 --> 03:17:26,399
looking at a zone change or or allowing

4627
03:17:26,399 --> 03:17:28,399
something or changing an ordinance, our

4628
03:17:28,399 --> 03:17:30,720
number one focus needs to be how is this

4629
03:17:30,720 --> 03:17:33,600
going to impact the people that live

4630
03:17:33,600 --> 03:17:36,560
around it? because there are there have

4631
03:17:36,560 --> 03:17:37,920
been things that we've dropped the ball

4632
03:17:37,920 --> 03:17:41,439
on, no doubt. And so my focus with this

4633
03:17:41,439 --> 03:17:44,479
whole process is how do we make sure

4634
03:17:44,479 --> 03:17:46,640
that we are not impacting in a negative

4635
03:17:46,640 --> 03:17:48,800
way the people that that will be around

4636
03:17:48,800 --> 03:17:49,600
it.

4637
03:17:49,600 --> 03:17:52,479
>> I agree completely with 95% of what you

4638
03:17:52,479 --> 03:17:57,359
said. Um it is about impact for sure.

4639
03:17:57,359 --> 03:17:59,520
The the reason that I wanted to stop and

4640
03:17:59,520 --> 03:18:02,000
talk about this and I appreciate um

4641
03:18:02,000 --> 03:18:03,760
Stacy's comment about an overlay zone

4642
03:18:03,760 --> 03:18:06,640
and and and Jesse's about whatever zone

4643
03:18:06,640 --> 03:18:09,760
it might be in. There is a process that

4644
03:18:09,760 --> 03:18:11,840
we need to go through to get to a

4645
03:18:11,840 --> 03:18:14,239
decision

4646
03:18:14,239 --> 03:18:16,319
and we've heard three or four times

4647
03:18:16,319 --> 03:18:19,120
tonight that don't remove the public

4648
03:18:19,120 --> 03:18:21,520
process from our decision-m

4649
03:18:21,520 --> 03:18:23,439
>> and I don't think that you said that we

4650
03:18:23,439 --> 03:18:26,239
should in any way, Kevin, at all. My

4651
03:18:26,239 --> 03:18:29,040
point is if we made a tweak here to a

4652
03:18:29,040 --> 03:18:30,880
future application, it would go through

4653
03:18:30,880 --> 03:18:33,120
a very transparent public process with a

4654
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:33,920
public hearing,

4655
03:18:33,920 --> 03:18:36,399
>> which is why I support that. No concern.

4656
03:18:36,399 --> 03:18:38,560
>> So I but that is the that is the only

4657
03:18:38,560 --> 03:18:39,840
reason I wanted to stop here is because

4658
03:18:39,840 --> 03:18:43,200
that I want to check that box and say if

4659
03:18:43,200 --> 03:18:45,200
we did it this way, which is whatever

4660
03:18:45,200 --> 03:18:48,160
way we come up with a future discussion,

4661
03:18:48,160 --> 03:18:49,439
we'll go through this exact same

4662
03:18:49,439 --> 03:18:51,120
transparent process to get to the point

4663
03:18:51,120 --> 03:18:53,760
we are tonight. I've liked that we have

4664
03:18:53,760 --> 03:18:56,560
had a very transparent and open process

4665
03:18:56,560 --> 03:18:57,920
to this point. I want to make sure that

4666
03:18:57,920 --> 03:18:59,760
it continues on the next time we have

4667
03:18:59,760 --> 03:19:01,840
this conversation. So that's the only

4668
03:19:01,840 --> 03:19:03,439
reason I stopped. But I I I agree with

4669
03:19:03,439 --> 03:19:06,399
you 100%. We are I am getting buried in

4670
03:19:06,399 --> 03:19:09,200
the weeds on this section when the the

4671
03:19:09,200 --> 03:19:11,680
meat of it is the page after this.

4672
03:19:11,680 --> 03:19:14,319
>> Okay. No, I'm ready to move on. That was

4673
03:19:14,319 --> 03:19:16,319
a helpful discussion though

4674
03:19:16,319 --> 03:19:18,720
>> for me. Okay.

4675
03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:20,239
>> Thank you.

4676
03:19:20,239 --> 03:19:26,070
Let's move to the next pages.

4677
03:19:26,080 --> 03:19:29,830
» Y'all bored yet?

4678
03:19:29,840 --> 03:19:38,389
because I'm not

4679
03:19:38,399 --> 03:19:42,239
» I think uh that uh Van pointed out that

4680
03:19:42,239 --> 03:19:44,560
the adjustment there on paragraph three

4681
03:19:44,560 --> 03:19:48,160
of applicability and capacity

4682
03:19:48,160 --> 03:19:50,720
uh that's a minimum of 50 and not more

4683
03:19:50,720 --> 03:19:52,640
than 450.

4684
03:19:52,640 --> 03:19:55,600
Um that's a an adjusted number there as

4685
03:19:55,600 --> 03:19:59,200
you mentioned. Um, hey, if you can go

4686
03:19:59,200 --> 03:20:03,279
back to the purpose bon uh or Jack, what

4687
03:20:03,279 --> 03:20:04,960
did you call yourself? Mariano Rivera.

4688
03:20:04,960 --> 03:20:06,720
What did you say you were?

4689
03:20:06,720 --> 03:20:08,319
>> Mariano.

4690
03:20:08,319 --> 03:20:11,840
>> Um, do we want to strike permitted uses

4691
03:20:11,840 --> 03:20:13,840
from that language? At least as we are

4692
03:20:13,840 --> 03:20:15,760
talking today or is this the old

4693
03:20:15,760 --> 03:20:17,920
version?

4694
03:20:17,920 --> 03:20:20,319
So, I think I mentioned this to you that

4695
03:20:20,319 --> 03:20:22,319
I think we're we're only thinking about

4696
03:20:22,319 --> 03:20:23,600
data center, but actually there's

4697
03:20:23,600 --> 03:20:26,319
another use permitted that is just the

4698
03:20:26,319 --> 03:20:27,760
on-site power generation that could

4699
03:20:27,760 --> 03:20:29,439
potentially support another permitted

4700
03:20:29,439 --> 03:20:30,399
use elsewhere.

4701
03:20:30,399 --> 03:20:31,040
>> Okay.

4702
03:20:31,040 --> 03:20:32,319
>> So, I think that's why it's written that

4703
03:20:32,319 --> 03:20:32,640
way.

4704
03:20:32,640 --> 03:20:33,840
>> Okay. Thank you.

4705
03:20:33,840 --> 03:20:36,239
>> Yeah. The

4706
03:20:36,239 --> 03:20:38,800
call that I was on listening to Bloom

4707
03:20:38,800 --> 03:20:41,279
again back to that. So, they talked

4708
03:20:41,279 --> 03:20:42,800
about the demand that they've got right

4709
03:20:42,800 --> 03:20:45,040
now with with on-site power generation

4710
03:20:45,040 --> 03:20:48,399
and and how many people We we talk a

4711
03:20:48,399 --> 03:20:52,000
little bit about how, you know, this is

4712
03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:53,680
guinea pigs. We're being guinea pigs

4713
03:20:53,680 --> 03:20:54,880
here. This is something that's never

4714
03:20:54,880 --> 03:20:57,920
been done before. Bloom has has, if

4715
03:20:57,920 --> 03:21:00,239
you've been to any of the open houses

4716
03:21:00,239 --> 03:21:02,080
and whatnot, Bloom's been around for a

4717
03:21:02,080 --> 03:21:04,560
long time. Bloom is not just used for

4718
03:21:04,560 --> 03:21:07,520
data centers. You've got hospitals today

4719
03:21:07,520 --> 03:21:10,319
that are moving to power through Bloom

4720
03:21:10,319 --> 03:21:12,160
because it's more stable than being on

4721
03:21:12,160 --> 03:21:14,319
the grid. um they don't have to worry

4722
03:21:14,319 --> 03:21:16,239
about backup generators if the power

4723
03:21:16,239 --> 03:21:18,800
goes out because Bloom is stable. You've

4724
03:21:18,800 --> 03:21:22,560
got um schools, you've got lots of

4725
03:21:22,560 --> 03:21:25,200
things outside of data centers that are

4726
03:21:25,200 --> 03:21:27,120
using this kind of technology and it's

4727
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:29,680
becoming more and more in demand because

4728
03:21:29,680 --> 03:21:31,600
of how reliable it is. And so I just

4729
03:21:31,600 --> 03:21:34,640
wanted to point that out that to Von's

4730
03:21:34,640 --> 03:21:36,720
point, we're not talking about just data

4731
03:21:36,720 --> 03:21:39,040
centers. We're talking about on-site

4732
03:21:39,040 --> 03:21:40,560
power generation. We could have our

4733
03:21:40,560 --> 03:21:42,399
hospital in Spanish Fork that decides

4734
03:21:42,399 --> 03:21:45,439
they want to not be on our grid because

4735
03:21:45,439 --> 03:21:47,359
they want to be more secure and stable

4736
03:21:47,359 --> 03:21:49,359
in case if an emergency happens and they

4737
03:21:49,359 --> 03:21:52,880
need to have power to perform surgeries,

4738
03:21:52,880 --> 03:21:54,960
then we may be having the same

4739
03:21:54,960 --> 03:21:57,279
discussion about a hospital and not not

4740
03:21:57,279 --> 03:21:59,120
a data center. So, I just wanted to

4741
03:21:59,120 --> 03:21:59,760
point that out.

4742
03:21:59,760 --> 03:22:01,439
>> That's a good point. That is a that's a

4743
03:22:01,439 --> 03:22:04,640
valid point. Um, I will say under

4744
03:22:04,640 --> 03:22:06,319
purpose as well. This is something

4745
03:22:06,319 --> 03:22:07,600
that's been brought up to us, I think,

4746
03:22:07,600 --> 03:22:10,640
in emails and and texts and messages,

4747
03:22:10,640 --> 03:22:13,760
uh, that that I think is valid valid

4748
03:22:13,760 --> 03:22:16,399
concerns of residents. But the section

4749
03:22:16,399 --> 03:22:17,840
that applies to current city

4750
03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:19,680
requirements for noise, fugitive dust

4751
03:22:19,680 --> 03:22:21,359
and emissions, environmental protection,

4752
03:22:21,359 --> 03:22:23,120
wastewater, site plan review, setback

4753
03:22:23,120 --> 03:22:25,760
screening, all those things that the

4754
03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:27,680
public's brought up to us, I think you

4755
03:22:27,680 --> 03:22:30,319
need to know those those are in our code

4756
03:22:30,319 --> 03:22:32,960
now. You can't. Um I ran into a

4757
03:22:32,960 --> 03:22:35,840
gentleman in city hall earlier today

4758
03:22:35,840 --> 03:22:38,000
that said, "Hey, where do I who do I

4759
03:22:38,000 --> 03:22:41,439
talk to about my neighbor that has a a

4760
03:22:41,439 --> 03:22:44,720
dog business and he's breeding x amount

4761
03:22:44,720 --> 03:22:48,080
of dogs and now it's causing flies and

4762
03:22:48,080 --> 03:22:51,520
smells and dust in my backyard." that

4763
03:22:51,520 --> 03:22:53,279
there is a code that deals with that

4764
03:22:53,279 --> 03:22:55,120
stuff and it's pretty strict in the in

4765
03:22:55,120 --> 03:22:58,800
the way of industrial uses as as well.

4766
03:22:58,800 --> 03:23:00,880
But your home there's code enforcement

4767
03:23:00,880 --> 03:23:04,960
that goes into you cannot affect a

4768
03:23:04,960 --> 03:23:07,520
neighboring property in in a quality of

4769
03:23:07,520 --> 03:23:10,800
life way uh in quiet enjoyment. And so I

4770
03:23:10,800 --> 03:23:12,640
think it's important to to just point

4771
03:23:12,640 --> 03:23:15,760
out that that's referring to that but

4772
03:23:15,760 --> 03:23:17,600
those are in place now.

4773
03:23:17,600 --> 03:23:19,359
the applicants agreed to some even

4774
03:23:19,359 --> 03:23:22,080
stricter standards and some monitoring

4775
03:23:22,080 --> 03:23:25,920
of that that is real time monitoring

4776
03:23:25,920 --> 03:23:27,920
that that that you're going to going to

4777
03:23:27,920 --> 03:23:29,920
be able to to check all of us are going

4778
03:23:29,920 --> 03:23:31,200
to be able to check and the city's

4779
03:23:31,200 --> 03:23:32,560
certainly going to be able to check too

4780
03:23:32,560 --> 03:23:34,560
but I think that's an important point to

4781
03:23:34,560 --> 03:23:38,160
make that um that that when people have

4782
03:23:38,160 --> 03:23:40,399
asked those questions those those are in

4783
03:23:40,399 --> 03:23:42,479
code those are staying in code those

4784
03:23:42,479 --> 03:23:44,399
aren't being modified at all in the

4785
03:23:44,399 --> 03:23:48,640
looser way for for this applicant in

4786
03:23:48,640 --> 03:23:51,200
this use

4787
03:23:51,200 --> 03:23:51,760
sense.

4788
03:23:51,760 --> 03:23:52,800
>> I think so.

4789
03:23:52,800 --> 03:23:55,920
>> Okay, let's scroll.

4790
03:23:55,920 --> 03:23:58,815
>> Yeah, I did.

4791
03:23:58,815 --> 03:23:59,359
[clears throat]

4792
03:23:59,359 --> 03:24:00,960
>> Mayor, do you mind if I respond to

4793
03:24:00,960 --> 03:24:02,880
something in section two?

4794
03:24:02,880 --> 03:24:03,680
>> Yes, please.

4795
03:24:03,680 --> 03:24:06,160
>> Um, the very last sentence, um, somebody

4796
03:24:06,160 --> 03:24:08,560
pointed out that it refers to expansion

4797
03:24:08,560 --> 03:24:11,279
in subsection three. I think that that

4798
03:24:11,279 --> 03:24:16,000
is extraneous reference once we have the

4799
03:24:16,000 --> 03:24:18,080
what's it called the changes in section

4800
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:21,600
19 the material change I think that's

4801
03:24:21,600 --> 03:24:23,120
where it should be a reference to

4802
03:24:23,120 --> 03:24:26,239
section 19 not section three

4803
03:24:26,239 --> 03:24:28,239
>> okay so that would need to adjust to

4804
03:24:28,239 --> 03:24:35,510
that

4805
03:24:35,520 --> 03:24:37,840
» I I appreciated you guys that went

4806
03:24:37,840 --> 03:24:39,279
through this because weren't we

4807
03:24:39,279 --> 03:24:40,720
originally Well, two weeks ago

4808
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:43,680
discussing 500 megawatts, you guys

4809
03:24:43,680 --> 03:24:46,479
brought it down to 450. And if I

4810
03:24:46,479 --> 03:24:48,560
remember, Jeff, did you say you guys

4811
03:24:48,560 --> 03:24:52,160
would use like max 390 or something?

4812
03:24:52,160 --> 03:24:52,720
>> Yes.

4813
03:24:52,720 --> 03:24:56,479
>> So why I'm just curious why 450 instead

4814
03:24:56,479 --> 03:24:59,760
of 400? Like what are there error

4815
03:24:59,760 --> 03:25:01,760
quality, noise, anything? Would that

4816
03:25:01,760 --> 03:25:03,439
make residents feel any happier if it

4817
03:25:03,439 --> 03:25:06,479
went down to from 500 to four? We're

4818
03:25:06,479 --> 03:25:10,866
just um we're just asking for a buffer

4819
03:25:10,866 --> 03:25:12,399
[clears throat] in the event. So an

4820
03:25:12,399 --> 03:25:16,800
example could be um

4821
03:25:16,800 --> 03:25:19,359
let's say bloom. We put a certain amount

4822
03:25:19,359 --> 03:25:23,279
of bloom out and that amount of bloom is

4823
03:25:23,279 --> 03:25:25,920
supposed to generate

4824
03:25:25,920 --> 03:25:31,120
um x amount of power for us

4825
03:25:31,120 --> 03:25:34,479
and it produces a few percentage points

4826
03:25:34,479 --> 03:25:36,239
less

4827
03:25:36,239 --> 03:25:38,399
than we may have to increase the amount

4828
03:25:38,399 --> 03:25:41,840
of bloom to make up the difference. So,

4829
03:25:41,840 --> 03:25:45,439
we're trying to oversize so that we have

4830
03:25:45,439 --> 03:25:48,000
everything we need covered and we're

4831
03:25:48,000 --> 03:25:51,120
just asking for a buffer ju just in

4832
03:25:51,120 --> 03:25:52,080
case.

4833
03:25:52,080 --> 03:25:53,279
>> That's what I was just wondering. Thank

4834
03:25:53,279 --> 03:25:54,800
you,

4835
03:25:54,800 --> 03:25:57,600
>> Jeeoff. In that case then if you assumed

4836
03:25:57,600 --> 03:26:00,399
I don't know how many if you assumed

4837
03:26:00,399 --> 03:26:03,359
that it's going to generate 400 megawws

4838
03:26:03,359 --> 03:26:07,040
and you actually were getting 350.

4839
03:26:07,040 --> 03:26:09,520
So you added enough generators to bump

4840
03:26:09,520 --> 03:26:12,239
it up which would probably go over this.

4841
03:26:12,239 --> 03:26:13,840
That's your buffer you're talking about.

4842
03:26:13,840 --> 03:26:17,200
Sound you may have to have a resubmitt

4843
03:26:17,200 --> 03:26:20,960
of your air quality permit then.

4844
03:26:20,960 --> 03:26:22,479
And it would be a material qual

4845
03:26:22,479 --> 03:26:24,080
material.

4846
03:26:24,080 --> 03:26:25,120
That's the right word if

4847
03:26:25,120 --> 03:26:26,640
>> modification

4848
03:26:26,640 --> 03:26:28,800
>> any anything

4849
03:26:28,800 --> 03:26:31,120
that would require modification we'll

4850
03:26:31,120 --> 03:26:32,640
have to go through the process.

4851
03:26:32,640 --> 03:26:34,080
>> All right. So what would the air quality

4852
03:26:34,080 --> 03:26:37,279
permit be based on? 450

4853
03:26:37,279 --> 03:26:38,399
>> go how

4854
03:26:38,399 --> 03:26:39,920
>> 395 is what it's based on. Right.

4855
03:26:39,920 --> 03:26:42,560
>> The number the number of the air quality

4856
03:26:42,560 --> 03:26:43,760
permit right now. What are we

4857
03:26:43,760 --> 03:26:45,359
>> at? 393.

4858
03:26:45,359 --> 03:26:46,479
>> Okay.

4859
03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:49,439
>> So if if we added anything and we needed

4860
03:26:49,439 --> 03:26:51,120
410 or something, do we have to

4861
03:26:51,120 --> 03:26:52,160
resubmit?

4862
03:26:52,160 --> 03:26:53,520
>> Yep.

4863
03:26:53,520 --> 03:26:54,239
Okay. Okay.

4864
03:26:54,239 --> 03:26:56,399
>> I mean, we'll just have to live with the requirements.

4865
03:26:56,399 --> 03:26:58,800
>> So, there is some my point of asking

4866
03:26:58,800 --> 03:27:00,479
this is there's some there's some

4867
03:27:00,479 --> 03:27:03,040
backstopping on some of these things.

4868
03:27:03,040 --> 03:27:04,880
They're all they're all related in some

4869
03:27:04,880 --> 03:27:08,239
way. And the air quality permit is a

4870
03:27:08,239 --> 03:27:10,479
document that the state will issue

4871
03:27:10,479 --> 03:27:13,520
saying you have permission. You you can

4872
03:27:13,520 --> 03:27:18,319
emit this much based on 395 megawatts.

4873
03:27:18,319 --> 03:27:19,680
going over that is a material

4874
03:27:19,680 --> 03:27:22,560
modification that we would be that we

4875
03:27:22,560 --> 03:27:24,960
would be on the hook or we would be

4876
03:27:24,960 --> 03:27:26,880
looking at to approve.

4877
03:27:26,880 --> 03:27:27,279
>> Okay.

4878
03:27:27,279 --> 03:27:32,720
>> Our our our response in a like a modest

4879
03:27:32,720 --> 03:27:34,800
>> change we would probably heir on the

4880
03:27:34,800 --> 03:27:38,399
side of just we would keep producing

4881
03:27:38,399 --> 03:27:39,680
underneath the minimum.

4882
03:27:39,680 --> 03:27:40,399
>> Sure. Because you don't want to come

4883
03:27:40,399 --> 03:27:40,720
back

4884
03:27:40,720 --> 03:27:42,560
>> and deal and deal with having a little

4885
03:27:42,560 --> 03:27:43,200
less energy.

4886
03:27:43,200 --> 03:27:43,760
>> Yep. Yeah,

4887
03:27:43,760 --> 03:27:45,760
>> that would make sense. Well, while I got

4888
03:27:45,760 --> 03:27:48,000
you here, Jeff, and this isn't I know

4889
03:27:48,000 --> 03:27:51,760
we're going over the title 15 uh

4890
03:27:51,760 --> 03:27:54,720
paragraphs here and it's not included in

4891
03:27:54,720 --> 03:27:56,239
their

4892
03:27:56,239 --> 03:27:57,840
but where we are talking about air

4893
03:27:57,840 --> 03:28:00,160
quality here which is a a concern people

4894
03:28:00,160 --> 03:28:02,479
have had and I think it comes down to

4895
03:28:02,479 --> 03:28:05,840
air quality temperature

4896
03:28:05,840 --> 03:28:12,000
uh and um and then noise. Um

4897
03:28:12,000 --> 03:28:13,840
you guys have proposed we we talked

4898
03:28:13,840 --> 03:28:16,319
about having some sensors close

4899
03:28:16,319 --> 03:28:16,720
>> Yeah.

4900
03:28:16,720 --> 03:28:18,800
>> to your property and and where we own

4901
03:28:18,800 --> 03:28:20,800
public places for those to kind of be.

4902
03:28:20,800 --> 03:28:22,720
We already have some purple air monitors

4903
03:28:22,720 --> 03:28:24,479
up there that tell us the air and

4904
03:28:24,479 --> 03:28:25,439
everything.

4905
03:28:25,439 --> 03:28:27,520
>> Maybe this is a good good part for you

4906
03:28:27,520 --> 03:28:29,600
to mention maybe what you're offering in

4907
03:28:29,600 --> 03:28:31,279
that development agreement that would be

4908
03:28:31,279 --> 03:28:33,600
accessible to the city but citizens as

4909
03:28:33,600 --> 03:28:34,080
well.

4910
03:28:34,080 --> 03:28:34,479
>> Yeah.

4911
03:28:34,479 --> 03:28:36,080
>> Uh right by your property.

4912
03:28:36,080 --> 03:28:38,000
>> Yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. So uh

4913
03:28:38,000 --> 03:28:40,160
yeah, this whole conversation has just

4914
03:28:40,160 --> 03:28:43,600
increased our sort of sensitivity to and

4915
03:28:43,600 --> 03:28:46,880
interest in documenting every data point

4916
03:28:46,880 --> 03:28:49,439
we can because as a company this helps

4917
03:28:49,439 --> 03:28:51,040
us as we move, you know, if we're doing

4918
03:28:51,040 --> 03:28:54,000
something in Arizona or in California,

4919
03:28:54,000 --> 03:28:56,160
um we'll be able we want to provide as

4920
03:28:56,160 --> 03:28:58,239
much empirical data as we possibly can.

4921
03:28:58,239 --> 03:28:59,760
So, we're going to effectively kind of

4922
03:28:59,760 --> 03:29:02,399
build like a little weather station on

4923
03:29:02,399 --> 03:29:06,399
property um that allows us to with

4924
03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:08,560
sensors track

4925
03:29:08,560 --> 03:29:11,920
noise like at the you know right next to

4926
03:29:11,920 --> 03:29:15,520
equipment, heat right next to equipment,

4927
03:29:15,520 --> 03:29:19,200
heat and noise at a at 100 feet at 1,000

4928
03:29:19,200 --> 03:29:25,279
feet. um and then also um sponsor a

4929
03:29:25,279 --> 03:29:29,120
network of of um sensors that would be

4930
03:29:29,120 --> 03:29:31,840
you know quarter mile out for example.

4931
03:29:31,840 --> 03:29:33,359
So,

4932
03:29:33,359 --> 03:29:36,800
um, we want to know without any

4933
03:29:36,800 --> 03:29:38,319
question.

4934
03:29:38,319 --> 03:29:42,239
Uh, for example, on the least ideal day,

4935
03:29:42,239 --> 03:29:44,479
you know, it's 95 degrees, we have no

4936
03:29:44,479 --> 03:29:48,239
wind from the canyon. Um, we'd like to

4937
03:29:48,239 --> 03:29:52,000
know right on site, uh, how much did our

4938
03:29:52,000 --> 03:29:54,960
onsite temperature increase that day?

4939
03:29:54,960 --> 03:29:58,880
Did it stay at six or seven degrees or

4940
03:29:58,880 --> 03:30:02,319
did it go to 11? Um, so we'll have those

4941
03:30:02,319 --> 03:30:04,800
monitors on site to and then it also

4942
03:30:04,800 --> 03:30:06,640
makes it really easy for us to quickly

4943
03:30:06,640 --> 03:30:08,640
be accountable in all of our regular

4944
03:30:08,640 --> 03:30:10,160
accounting.

4945
03:30:10,160 --> 03:30:12,800
>> Great. I I think the important part that

4946
03:30:12,800 --> 03:30:15,439
if the citizen didn't hear there is

4947
03:30:15,439 --> 03:30:17,680
we've all received maybe some messages,

4948
03:30:17,680 --> 03:30:21,279
including myself, of hey, how do uh how

4949
03:30:21,279 --> 03:30:24,080
do I how do I trust these guys? and and

4950
03:30:24,080 --> 03:30:26,080
I don't know him and and I've replied

4951
03:30:26,080 --> 03:30:27,840
back I don't know him all that long

4952
03:30:27,840 --> 03:30:31,200
either so I don't know what to tell you know but

4953
03:30:31,200 --> 03:30:32,880
>> uh

4954
03:30:32,880 --> 03:30:40,000
that's the important verified piece of of this that um that you're willing

4955
03:30:40,000 --> 03:30:43,359
to put in agreement here of here's the

4956
03:30:43,359 --> 03:30:46,080
actual data that you can access and and

4957
03:30:46,080 --> 03:30:47,600
I think that's important I think that's

4958
03:30:47,600 --> 03:30:47,920
important

4959
03:30:47,920 --> 03:30:49,439
>> yeah there there have been you know fair

4960
03:30:49,439 --> 03:30:52,080
comments uh in a variety of places where

4961
03:30:52,080 --> 03:30:53,600
they've said things people have said

4962
03:30:53,600 --> 03:30:55,120
things like you you can't just trust

4963
03:30:55,120 --> 03:30:57,200
these guys and we're not asking you to

4964
03:30:57,200 --> 03:30:58,319
just trust us.

4965
03:30:58,319 --> 03:30:58,800
>> Okay.

4966
03:30:58,800 --> 03:31:00,160
>> Yeah.

4967
03:31:00,160 --> 03:31:02,560
>> So, mayor on that I think that's a good

4968
03:31:02,560 --> 03:31:04,800
point of

4969
03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:07,840
they have agreed or they will agree to

4970
03:31:07,840 --> 03:31:09,840
further monitoring or real time

4971
03:31:09,840 --> 03:31:12,479
monitoring and development agreement. We

4972
03:31:12,479 --> 03:31:14,399
appreciate that.

4973
03:31:14,399 --> 03:31:16,239
Um,

4974
03:31:16,239 --> 03:31:23,920
if a future data center came in, what makes what would make or I I guess

4975
03:31:23,920 --> 03:31:25,120
if they sold it, it would be in the

4976
03:31:25,120 --> 03:31:26,319
development agreement. We would be okay

4977
03:31:26,319 --> 03:31:29,040
with that, right? Um, but there's

4978
03:31:29,040 --> 03:31:30,560
nothing in our code that says you must

4979
03:31:30,560 --> 03:31:32,880
monitor it.

4980
03:31:32,880 --> 03:31:34,800
That's sort of the goodwill that they

4981
03:31:34,800 --> 03:31:36,160
have. They want to generate and I

4982
03:31:36,160 --> 03:31:37,439
appreciate the applicant wanting to do

4983
03:31:37,439 --> 03:31:40,239
that because I I think that's important.

4984
03:31:40,239 --> 03:31:42,800
>> Look at number 10. Look at section 10.

4985
03:31:42,800 --> 03:31:44,239
I We're not there yet.

4986
03:31:44,239 --> 03:31:45,680
>> Well, just say it's in section 10,

4987
03:31:45,680 --> 03:31:46,560
Shane. We'll get there when we get

4988
03:31:46,560 --> 03:31:46,720
there.

4989
03:31:46,720 --> 03:31:48,080
>> Okay, it's in section 10. I think we'll

4990
03:31:48,080 --> 03:31:49,840
get there.

4991
03:31:49,840 --> 03:31:51,520
>> We He's there now.

4992
03:31:51,520 --> 03:31:52,239
>> Did that at

4993
03:31:52,239 --> 03:31:53,040
>> Don't laugh at him.

4994
03:31:53,040 --> 03:31:55,680
>> There we did that.

4995
03:31:55,680 --> 03:31:56,720
>> Okay.

4996
03:31:56,720 --> 03:31:59,840
>> I think the intent there is

4997
03:31:59,840 --> 03:32:01,279
conditions may include ongoing

4998
03:32:01,279 --> 03:32:03,120
monitoring at the facility locations off

4999
03:32:03,120 --> 03:32:03,359
site.

5000
03:32:03,359 --> 03:32:04,960
>> Oh, so do we have this in air then?

5001
03:32:04,960 --> 03:32:06,560
>> Yep.

5002
03:32:06,560 --> 03:32:07,920
>> And

5003
03:32:07,920 --> 03:32:10,479
>> what is eight?

5004
03:32:10,479 --> 03:32:11,920
>> We're talking eight, aren't we? We No,

5005
03:32:11,920 --> 03:32:14,080
we were talking air.

5006
03:32:14,080 --> 03:32:15,680
We were on section three air.

5007
03:32:15,680 --> 03:32:16,239
>> We're on heat.

5008
03:32:16,239 --> 03:32:18,560
>> No, but he was talking about heat.

5009
03:32:18,560 --> 03:32:19,760
>> Jeff was talking about heat and

5010
03:32:19,760 --> 03:32:20,880
monitoring. So,

5011
03:32:20,880 --> 03:32:22,560
>> I was following his lead in that

5012
03:32:22,560 --> 03:32:23,040
question.

5013
03:32:23,040 --> 03:32:23,439
>> Okay.

5014
03:32:23,439 --> 03:32:24,239
>> To Shane to

5015
03:32:24,239 --> 03:32:26,399
>> Well, let me pivot back to air then.

5016
03:32:26,399 --> 03:32:28,239
>> Whether it's air or noise or whatever

5017
03:32:28,239 --> 03:32:29,600
Shane's point is,

5018
03:32:29,600 --> 03:32:29,920
>> thank you.

5019
03:32:29,920 --> 03:32:30,880
>> Is it in the code?

5020
03:32:30,880 --> 03:32:31,359
>> Yeah.

5021
03:32:31,359 --> 03:32:31,920
I think so.

5022
03:32:31,920 --> 03:32:32,800
>> Is it in the code?

5023
03:32:32,800 --> 03:32:35,359
>> Yeah, the air air. I stopped this I

5024
03:32:35,359 --> 03:32:36,720
tripped us up at air quality and

5025
03:32:36,720 --> 03:32:38,880
probably covered two more, but if you if

5026
03:32:38,880 --> 03:32:41,359
you keep scrolling down, what's what's

5027
03:32:41,359 --> 03:32:43,120
five there?

5028
03:32:43,120 --> 03:32:44,800
>> You can't say that on the microphone.

5029
03:32:44,800 --> 03:32:46,800
>> So So I think this is an important thing

5030
03:32:46,800 --> 03:32:48,560
too that I probably should have included

5031
03:32:48,560 --> 03:32:52,160
in there, but the the the baseline I

5032
03:32:52,160 --> 03:32:54,239
think is an important addition and and

5033
03:32:54,239 --> 03:32:56,560
again residents, this is this is you

5034
03:32:56,560 --> 03:32:59,279
asking some good questions to find out

5035
03:32:59,279 --> 03:33:01,520
well what's currently there and now what

5036
03:33:01,520 --> 03:33:04,080
that what this would add to it. will

5037
03:33:04,080 --> 03:33:05,520
again I think it's already been been

5038
03:33:05,520 --> 03:33:07,279
brought up that we're not the the

5039
03:33:07,279 --> 03:33:09,680
experts as the city in in that stuff. So

5040
03:33:09,680 --> 03:33:13,920
a third party independent uh uh uh look

5041
03:33:13,920 --> 03:33:17,760
at that that gives you a baseline number

5042
03:33:17,760 --> 03:33:20,160
and then and then what something would

5043
03:33:20,160 --> 03:33:23,680
do to that baseline number is uh is the

5044
03:33:23,680 --> 03:33:27,040
testing and monitoring there. Um,

5045
03:33:27,040 --> 03:33:28,960
>> mayor, let's talk about that just

5046
03:33:28,960 --> 03:33:30,239
briefly because we've had a lot of

5047
03:33:30,239 --> 03:33:34,479
residents that bring up the the DAQ

5048
03:33:34,479 --> 03:33:36,160
permit

5049
03:33:36,160 --> 03:33:38,880
and whether this should be approved

5050
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:43,680
before that's finalized. Um,

5051
03:33:43,680 --> 03:33:45,680
September 5th, and you guys can correct

5052
03:33:45,680 --> 03:33:47,439
me if I'm wrong, September 5th is when

5053
03:33:47,439 --> 03:33:49,760
public comment for that permit closes.

5054
03:33:49,760 --> 03:33:53,040
And at that point, they'll, I guess,

5055
03:33:53,040 --> 03:33:55,120
proceed or make an announcement. If we

5056
03:33:55,120 --> 03:33:58,640
were to vote on this tonight

5057
03:33:58,640 --> 03:34:02,720
and approve it, if the DAQ, which is a

5058
03:34:02,720 --> 03:34:04,640
state agency that monitors there,

5059
03:34:04,640 --> 03:34:06,000
they'll they're doing all of the

5060
03:34:06,000 --> 03:34:08,080
studies, the analysis on the equipment

5061
03:34:08,080 --> 03:34:11,120
that's that's going to be used on this

5062
03:34:11,120 --> 03:34:13,279
site at maximum capacity. If I'm

5063
03:34:13,279 --> 03:34:14,880
correct,

5064
03:34:14,880 --> 03:34:17,040
they're they're doing all the analysis.

5065
03:34:17,040 --> 03:34:18,319
The city can't do that. We don't have

5066
03:34:18,319 --> 03:34:20,080
the people. We don't have the expertise.

5067
03:34:20,080 --> 03:34:21,840
The state does that. There's an entire

5068
03:34:21,840 --> 03:34:24,560
department that does that. If we get to

5069
03:34:24,560 --> 03:34:27,520
the 5th of September and public comment

5070
03:34:27,520 --> 03:34:29,760
closes and DAQ says, you know what,

5071
03:34:29,760 --> 03:34:31,760
based on public comment and things that

5072
03:34:31,760 --> 03:34:34,399
we've researched, this doesn't fly, even

5073
03:34:34,399 --> 03:34:36,560
though we pass it tonight, they don't

5074
03:34:36,560 --> 03:34:39,359
move forward. Um, they're they're tied

5075
03:34:39,359 --> 03:34:41,600
to whatever state requires. So, even if

5076
03:34:41,600 --> 03:34:43,520
we were to pass this tonight, DAQ comes

5077
03:34:43,520 --> 03:34:45,600
in and says, based on what we've

5078
03:34:45,600 --> 03:34:48,800
researched and found out,

5079
03:34:48,800 --> 03:34:50,800
your equipment won't fly with what our

5080
03:34:50,800 --> 03:34:52,399
state requirements are. They don't move

5081
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:54,399
forward.

5082
03:34:54,399 --> 03:34:56,640
I I believe when Kevin says stuff, but

5083
03:34:56,640 --> 03:34:58,319
is that is that correct?

5084
03:34:58,319 --> 03:35:00,800
>> Yes, Mr. Attorney. Okay,

5085
03:35:00,800 --> 03:35:02,800
>> Kevin said it. [laughter]

5086
03:35:02,800 --> 03:35:03,920
>> Trust but verified.

5087
03:35:03,920 --> 03:35:06,160
>> So, I I agree with what Kevin just said

5088
03:35:06,160 --> 03:35:09,200
100%. That is the case. The the state

5089
03:35:09,200 --> 03:35:12,720
has a a let's just take pick a number

5090
03:35:12,720 --> 03:35:17,200
VOX budget for Utah County. They'll moni

5091
03:35:17,200 --> 03:35:19,439
they will say what is the VOX coming

5092
03:35:19,439 --> 03:35:21,760
from site the site does it fit within

5093
03:35:21,760 --> 03:35:24,160
the budget it could be five tons a year

5094
03:35:24,160 --> 03:35:25,840
it could be 25 tons a year it will still

5095
03:35:25,840 --> 03:35:28,239
permit it will still fit under that

5096
03:35:28,239 --> 03:35:31,279
permit if there's a budget so I'm not

5097
03:35:31,279 --> 03:35:35,279
sure this gives us the the

5098
03:35:35,279 --> 03:35:37,120
protection

5099
03:35:37,120 --> 03:35:38,720
I think it gives us the protection long

5100
03:35:38,720 --> 03:35:40,640
term because once that budget's set then

5101
03:35:40,640 --> 03:35:41,520
we are protected

5102
03:35:41,520 --> 03:35:42,640
>> right

5103
03:35:42,640 --> 03:35:47,279
>> but I don't know that it gives us the number we're comfortable with

5104
03:35:47,279 --> 03:35:48,080
initially

5105
03:35:48,080 --> 03:35:49,520
>> and the transparency.

5106
03:35:49,520 --> 03:35:52,479
>> Yeah, it will be there. Absolutely 100%.

5107
03:35:52,479 --> 03:35:54,319
You are right. The permit will come. If

5108
03:35:54,319 --> 03:35:56,720
they get a permit, it'll say your budget

5109
03:35:56,720 --> 03:35:58,160
is X.

5110
03:35:58,160 --> 03:36:00,000
>> But how do we going forward

5111
03:36:00,000 --> 03:36:02,319
>> is that X are we are we comfortable with

5112
03:36:02,319 --> 03:36:03,279
that X?

5113
03:36:03,279 --> 03:36:04,800
>> Are we comfortable with them setting the

5114
03:36:04,800 --> 03:36:06,720
X or should we set the X beforehand?

5115
03:36:06,720 --> 03:36:08,319
>> Correct. Yeah. Should we have numbers in

5116
03:36:08,319 --> 03:36:10,000
our our code? And

5117
03:36:10,000 --> 03:36:13,120
>> it let me just inject a thought here. We

5118
03:36:13,120 --> 03:36:15,680
somewhere in here

5119
03:36:15,680 --> 03:36:18,160
I'm not seeing it in

5120
03:36:18,160 --> 03:36:22,000
p in the air quality baseline somewhere

5121
03:36:22,000 --> 03:36:24,720
in here we talk about the minor

5122
03:36:24,720 --> 03:36:27,120
um the minor permit

5123
03:36:27,120 --> 03:36:28,000
>> or better

5124
03:36:28,000 --> 03:36:30,880
>> paragraph three

5125
03:36:30,880 --> 03:36:35,359
>> it's in four I flipped my page um

5126
03:36:35,359 --> 03:36:36,960
then

5127
03:36:36,960 --> 03:36:40,160
we have in our discussions have proposed

5128
03:36:40,160 --> 03:36:46,479
to put their uh air quality permit

5129
03:36:46,479 --> 03:36:49,520
application as a part of an exhibit two

5130
03:36:49,520 --> 03:36:51,600
and a part of the development agreement.

5131
03:36:51,600 --> 03:36:53,359
So I think to your question that you're

5132
03:36:53,359 --> 03:36:56,160
asking Shane trying to memorialize this

5133
03:36:56,160 --> 03:36:58,160
is what it is and this is where the the

5134
03:36:58,160 --> 03:37:01,120
standard is the minor source permit is

5135
03:37:01,120 --> 03:37:03,439
greater probably greater I'm assuming

5136
03:37:03,439 --> 03:37:06,239
it's not less right so that's why

5137
03:37:06,239 --> 03:37:07,920
they're getting the minor source there's

5138
03:37:07,920 --> 03:37:10,239
a small source a minor source and a

5139
03:37:10,239 --> 03:37:13,680
major source permit and probably others

5140
03:37:13,680 --> 03:37:16,160
um and so I think our our attempt there

5141
03:37:16,160 --> 03:37:19,040
to be specific is as long as you're

5142
03:37:19,040 --> 03:37:21,439
within the minor permit this says you're

5143
03:37:21,439 --> 03:37:23,920
okay to move forward in a development

5144
03:37:23,920 --> 03:37:24,399
agreement.

5145
03:37:24,399 --> 03:37:26,000
>> Even a little stricter. If you look at

5146
03:37:26,000 --> 03:37:29,680
the third paragraph under four, this is

5147
03:37:29,680 --> 03:37:31,680
my change. I requested that the facility

5148
03:37:31,680 --> 03:37:34,000
shall obtain the permit. Turn your mic.

5149
03:37:34,000 --> 03:37:35,520
>> I just got to get closer. Sorry, it's

5150
03:37:35,520 --> 03:37:36,399
on.

5151
03:37:36,399 --> 03:37:38,960
>> Um, meet its terms and conditions and

5152
03:37:38,960 --> 03:37:41,200
then it may not exceed the levels

5153
03:37:41,200 --> 03:37:42,800
identified in the minor source permit

5154
03:37:42,800 --> 03:37:43,600
application.

5155
03:37:43,600 --> 03:37:44,800
>> Perfect. So they

5156
03:37:44,800 --> 03:37:45,840
>> you're getting there

5157
03:37:45,840 --> 03:37:48,319
>> identify the equipment they're using and

5158
03:37:48,319 --> 03:37:50,560
the name plate emissions that that would

5159
03:37:50,560 --> 03:37:51,840
have.

5160
03:37:51,840 --> 03:37:53,680
>> So that was the attempt even if the

5161
03:37:53,680 --> 03:37:55,920
minor source permit would allow more is

5162
03:37:55,920 --> 03:37:57,439
to limit them to what they've applied

5163
03:37:57,439 --> 03:37:58,960
for.

5164
03:37:58,960 --> 03:38:00,080
>> Mr.

5165
03:38:00,080 --> 03:38:02,960
So along those lines, I mean, we could

5166
03:38:02,960 --> 03:38:06,880
reference the project number that they

5167
03:38:06,880 --> 03:38:09,520
filed with the state that or we could

5168
03:38:09,520 --> 03:38:12,560
reference the the engineers review by

5169
03:38:12,560 --> 03:38:14,560
the date that that was completed, you

5170
03:38:14,560 --> 03:38:16,479
know, or something like that. We could

5171
03:38:16,479 --> 03:38:19,359
be that specific. Their application is

5172
03:38:19,359 --> 03:38:22,000
extremely specific down to the number of

5173
03:38:22,000 --> 03:38:23,760
fuel cells that they would have on site.

5174
03:38:23,760 --> 03:38:25,600
>> Sure. references to how much fuel they

5175
03:38:25,600 --> 03:38:27,920
would use. I think they're for the hours

5176
03:38:27,920 --> 03:38:29,200
of operation, different things like

5177
03:38:29,200 --> 03:38:32,960
that. So, I mean, if this is what you're

5178
03:38:32,960 --> 03:38:35,120
intending to hold them to, it wouldn't

5179
03:38:35,120 --> 03:38:37,840
be hard to reference this explicitly.

5180
03:38:37,840 --> 03:38:39,279
>> But if we're if we're being that

5181
03:38:39,279 --> 03:38:40,880
explicit, why not just put the numbers

5182
03:38:40,880 --> 03:38:42,640
in the title 15 document?

5183
03:38:42,640 --> 03:38:44,399
>> Well, we could, but the way that the

5184
03:38:44,399 --> 03:38:46,960
state reviews it, it's not numbers of or

5185
03:38:46,960 --> 03:38:48,319
it's not the amount of emissions, at

5186
03:38:48,319 --> 03:38:50,239
least I haven't read that yet in the

5187
03:38:50,239 --> 03:38:54,239
engineers review. they they base their

5188
03:38:54,239 --> 03:38:56,319
calculations on actually I take that

5189
03:38:56,319 --> 03:38:58,479
back they have numbers in the permit

5190
03:38:58,479 --> 03:39:01,359
application but um it's my understanding

5191
03:39:01,359 --> 03:39:03,040
that more importantly they identify for

5192
03:39:03,040 --> 03:39:05,439
example that valition is proposed to put

5193
03:39:05,439 --> 03:39:08,640
1210 fuel cells of a particular you know

5194
03:39:08,640 --> 03:39:11,040
make model on the site so

5195
03:39:11,040 --> 03:39:12,720
>> to generate x number of tons per

5196
03:39:12,720 --> 03:39:13,279
megawatt

5197
03:39:13,279 --> 03:39:15,680
>> exactly for sure so

5198
03:39:15,680 --> 03:39:21,040
>> I no problem with that part the the

5199
03:39:21,040 --> 03:39:24,800
question I have back to Jesse's the what

5200
03:39:24,800 --> 03:39:27,520
is the permit minor source permit has a

5201
03:39:27,520 --> 03:39:31,520
maximum number of tons per year what is

5202
03:39:31,520 --> 03:39:33,680
that number and are we comfortable with

5203
03:39:33,680 --> 03:39:36,399
any applicant going to that maximum to

5204
03:39:36,399 --> 03:39:40,080
meet the minimum source permit

5205
03:39:40,080 --> 03:39:43,760
that's my concern these guys absolutely

5206
03:39:43,760 --> 03:39:44,880
I'm comfortable with it because I've

5207
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:46,160
seen their numbers

5208
03:39:46,160 --> 03:39:50,319
>> and it's 5.2 two tons of VOX per year.

5209
03:39:50,319 --> 03:39:54,399
That's a a a number that I think in that

5210
03:39:54,399 --> 03:39:55,359
low

5211
03:39:55,359 --> 03:39:57,520
>> for this type of facility can work.

5212
03:39:57,520 --> 03:39:58,080
>> I think

5213
03:39:58,080 --> 03:39:59,520
>> but what's the next one?

5214
03:39:59,520 --> 03:40:02,880
>> Let me ask a question on that. Is that

5215
03:40:02,880 --> 03:40:04,297
because I think you're making a

5216
03:40:04,297 --> 03:40:05,760
[clears throat] great point.

5217
03:40:05,760 --> 03:40:06,080
>> Yeah,

5218
03:40:06,080 --> 03:40:07,520
>> I said that.

5219
03:40:07,520 --> 03:40:08,640
>> I'm leaving.

5220
03:40:08,640 --> 03:40:10,640
>> Is is this something then that you would

5221
03:40:10,640 --> 03:40:12,399
want to apply across the board for any

5222
03:40:12,399 --> 03:40:14,239
indust industrial that were to come in?

5223
03:40:14,239 --> 03:40:18,319
>> That is the challenge, Kevin. I think um

5224
03:40:18,319 --> 03:40:19,920
I I have to look in the mirror

5225
03:40:19,920 --> 03:40:22,399
occasionally and say why am I holding

5226
03:40:22,399 --> 03:40:26,399
this industry to this type of

5227
03:40:26,399 --> 03:40:28,560
requirement that I have not held any

5228
03:40:28,560 --> 03:40:29,439
other industry to.

5229
03:40:29,439 --> 03:40:32,080
>> We we received a great study that was

5230
03:40:32,080 --> 03:40:33,840
done that shows the university hospital

5231
03:40:33,840 --> 03:40:36,000
in Provo probably emits greater

5232
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:39,680
emissions than than what DAC is.

5233
03:40:39,680 --> 03:40:41,600
>> Is that how you say it? DAC or DAQ.

5234
03:40:41,600 --> 03:40:42,000
>> DAQ.

5235
03:40:42,000 --> 03:40:45,680
what DAQ is projecting call that

5236
03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:46,239
from now on

5237
03:40:46,239 --> 03:40:48,000
>> that this would submit

5238
03:40:48,000 --> 03:40:51,279
>> I that is that is my I I get that 100%.

5239
03:40:51,279 --> 03:40:53,120
It is

5240
03:40:53,120 --> 03:40:56,720
yeah part of my to for me to get to the

5241
03:40:56,720 --> 03:40:58,080
point where I can look the citizens in

5242
03:40:58,080 --> 03:41:01,359
the face and say um because of your

5243
03:41:01,359 --> 03:41:03,359
significant concerns about this type of

5244
03:41:03,359 --> 03:41:05,920
industry we're holding them to this

5245
03:41:05,920 --> 03:41:07,359
standard

5246
03:41:07,359 --> 03:41:07,760
>> but

5247
03:41:07,760 --> 03:41:09,279
>> and it is

5248
03:41:09,279 --> 03:41:11,120
>> I think we are getting worried about I

5249
03:41:11,120 --> 03:41:12,160
think we're getting worried about the

5250
03:41:12,160 --> 03:41:12,880
next one

5251
03:41:12,880 --> 03:41:14,880
>> if if we're comfortable if we're

5252
03:41:14,880 --> 03:41:16,880
comfortable what the DAQ

5253
03:41:16,880 --> 03:41:18,160
>> and [clears throat] their minor source

5254
03:41:18,160 --> 03:41:19,200
permit

5255
03:41:19,200 --> 03:41:21,680
>> and and if they didn't get that stops

5256
03:41:21,680 --> 03:41:25,760
them now. Anyway, the the next one that

5257
03:41:25,760 --> 03:41:28,319
by the way we haven't written that there

5258
03:41:28,319 --> 03:41:31,200
even could be a next one stop somebody

5259
03:41:31,200 --> 03:41:35,359
coming and asking us could simply be

5260
03:41:35,359 --> 03:41:37,359
>> uh you know what we want to see your we

5261
03:41:37,359 --> 03:41:39,520
want to see your DIQ

5262
03:41:39,520 --> 03:41:42,720
>> uh permit application and we want to

5263
03:41:42,720 --> 03:41:45,680
review that and and would we be tied to

5264
03:41:45,680 --> 03:41:47,920
treating that

5265
03:41:47,920 --> 03:41:51,840
>> the same the same exact way here?

5266
03:41:51,840 --> 03:41:53,920
I don't I I I think that's a different

5267
03:41:53,920 --> 03:41:56,479
development that's not in front of us

5268
03:41:56,479 --> 03:41:58,640
and we're saying we're saying

5269
03:41:58,640 --> 03:42:00,720
>> well that development

5270
03:42:00,720 --> 03:42:02,080
>> could have a different development

5271
03:42:02,080 --> 03:42:02,640
agreement.

5272
03:42:02,640 --> 03:42:06,070
>> It could be

5273
03:42:06,080 --> 03:42:07,200
you're not going to like what I'm about

5274
03:42:07,200 --> 03:42:09,279
to say but I'm going to say it anyway.

5275
03:42:09,279 --> 03:42:11,040
It could be that they take that

5276
03:42:11,040 --> 03:42:12,960
application because it only generates

5277
03:42:12,960 --> 03:42:16,800
390 megawws and have to resubmit it to

5278
03:42:16,800 --> 03:42:20,880
450 because our code now allows that and

5279
03:42:20,880 --> 03:42:24,399
that that 5.2 goes to 10.5 and we have

5280
03:42:24,399 --> 03:42:25,920
nothing to say about that.

5281
03:42:25,920 --> 03:42:26,319
>> Yeah.

5282
03:42:26,319 --> 03:42:27,200
>> Because it would allow it.

5283
03:42:27,200 --> 03:42:28,319
>> Yeah. Because the way that it says the

5284
03:42:28,319 --> 03:42:29,760
facilities have obtained a minor source

5285
03:42:29,760 --> 03:42:32,239
permit or better from the Utah Division,

5286
03:42:32,239 --> 03:42:35,120
>> right? It doesn't say what number that

5287
03:42:35,120 --> 03:42:39,680
>> Now I not going to I don't not trust

5288
03:42:39,680 --> 03:42:42,479
them but that is a that is a a path

5289
03:42:42,479 --> 03:42:45,359
forward that an applicant could take.

5290
03:42:45,359 --> 03:42:47,120
>> Yeah. And I'm not saying trust them

5291
03:42:47,120 --> 03:42:49,359
either. I'm saying what we're already

5292
03:42:49,359 --> 03:42:54,469
getting into is now saying

5293
03:42:54,479 --> 03:42:57,200
we're the de facto DAQ.

5294
03:42:57,200 --> 03:42:58,319
>> No, I don't want to say that.

5295
03:42:58,319 --> 03:43:00,239
>> We're the ones that are okay with the

5296
03:43:00,239 --> 03:43:03,120
minor source permits this level.

5297
03:43:03,120 --> 03:43:05,520
and and and and we're not okay with it

5298
03:43:05,520 --> 03:43:09,680
for some reason, then you know that

5299
03:43:09,680 --> 03:43:11,680
we're dealing with a hypothetical there

5300
03:43:11,680 --> 03:43:13,359
that I think we're trying to solve for

5301
03:43:13,359 --> 03:43:15,920
in a in a current application in front

5302
03:43:15,920 --> 03:43:19,120
of us. Maybe

5303
03:43:19,120 --> 03:43:21,520
I I guess if I knew what the maximum

5304
03:43:21,520 --> 03:43:24,800
amount of emissions were to get a minor

5305
03:43:24,800 --> 03:43:27,120
source, which is super weird to say, the

5306
03:43:27,120 --> 03:43:30,160
maximum emissions in a minor source

5307
03:43:30,160 --> 03:43:32,640
permit, I might feel more comfortable,

5308
03:43:32,640 --> 03:43:36,000
but that's all we're saying is

5309
03:43:36,000 --> 03:43:39,359
get a minor source permit, period. We're

5310
03:43:39,359 --> 03:43:41,359
not limiting to anything other than keep

5311
03:43:41,359 --> 03:43:44,160
it under the minor. I think that that's

5312
03:43:44,160 --> 03:43:46,880
too high. they can do better and they've

5313
03:43:46,880 --> 03:43:48,319
proven that they can do better and they

5314
03:43:48,319 --> 03:43:50,399
are doing better.

5315
03:43:50,399 --> 03:43:55,030
Why not put a number in there?

5316
03:43:55,040 --> 03:43:57,040
» They do have numbers of emission. Sorry

5317
03:43:57,040 --> 03:43:59,680
to bl Yes. So

5318
03:43:59,680 --> 03:44:01,760
>> on their application they

5319
03:44:01,760 --> 03:44:05,199
>> I'm sorry the state I believe has

5320
03:44:05,199 --> 03:44:06,800
calculated

5321
03:44:06,800 --> 03:44:09,040
>> the types of criteria pollutants and

5322
03:44:09,040 --> 03:44:11,600
hazardous air pollutants and the volume

5323
03:44:11,600 --> 03:44:15,120
of emissions that would be generated

5324
03:44:15,120 --> 03:44:17,680
from Valition's proposal. So we do have

5325
03:44:17,680 --> 03:44:18,800
those numbers.

5326
03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:20,239
>> Question about the air permit just real

5327
03:44:20,239 --> 03:44:22,800
quick while we're on the topic. So in

5328
03:44:22,800 --> 03:44:24,399
the permit they talk about Bloom

5329
03:44:24,399 --> 03:44:25,840
technology that that's what they're

5330
03:44:25,840 --> 03:44:27,439
going to use. I know that Jeff in one of

5331
03:44:27,439 --> 03:44:28,720
his presentations said like, "Hey,

5332
03:44:28,720 --> 03:44:29,920
there's a chance that we could use

5333
03:44:29,920 --> 03:44:30,960
something else." Maybe this is your

5334
03:44:30,960 --> 03:44:33,279
question. I don't know if you change the

5335
03:44:33,279 --> 03:44:34,399
technology that you're using. Do you

5336
03:44:34,399 --> 03:44:36,479
have to resubmit the air quality permit?

5337
03:44:36,479 --> 03:44:37,439
>> Yes.

5338
03:44:37,439 --> 03:44:41,429
>> Yeah.

5339
03:44:41,439 --> 03:44:42,960
No, the whole permit just says Bloom

5340
03:44:42,960 --> 03:44:43,920
throughout it.

5341
03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:44,800
>> Okay.

5342
03:44:44,800 --> 03:44:46,560
>> Whether it says Bloom or whatever, it

5343
03:44:46,560 --> 03:44:48,560
says this piece of equipment generates

5344
03:44:48,560 --> 03:44:50,399
this much of emissions and any other

5345
03:44:50,399 --> 03:44:51,520
equipment would be a different number

5346
03:44:51,520 --> 03:44:52,560
and they'd have to resubmit.

5347
03:44:52,560 --> 03:44:54,560
>> Yeah. It goes back to the change of use.

5348
03:44:54,560 --> 03:44:56,399
>> Yep. No, I'm that's why I'm asking the

5349
03:44:56,399 --> 03:44:56,720
question.

5350
03:44:56,720 --> 03:44:58,160
>> Yeah. So, like Bloom

5351
03:44:58,160 --> 03:44:58,960
>> Yeah.

5352
03:44:58,960 --> 03:45:00,800
>> they're using natural gas today. We

5353
03:45:00,800 --> 03:45:03,359
could decide there's a strain on natural

5354
03:45:03,359 --> 03:45:05,040
gas in the future and so they start to

5355
03:45:05,040 --> 03:45:06,800
develop more hydrogen somehow and it

5356
03:45:06,800 --> 03:45:08,160
switches over to hydrogen.

5357
03:45:08,160 --> 03:45:08,640
>> Right.

5358
03:45:08,640 --> 03:45:10,560
>> Then you're looking at a new DAQ

5359
03:45:10,560 --> 03:45:12,399
probably and you're also looking at a

5360
03:45:12,399 --> 03:45:14,399
new development agreement approval that

5361
03:45:14,399 --> 03:45:15,520
would go through city council.

5362
03:45:15,520 --> 03:45:16,080
>> Right.

5363
03:45:16,080 --> 03:45:19,840
>> Just want to make sure. So Mike, to your

5364
03:45:19,840 --> 03:45:22,479
point,

5365
03:45:22,479 --> 03:45:25,040
I guess I could be okay as written

5366
03:45:25,040 --> 03:45:26,479
knowing what they've submitted to the

5367
03:45:26,479 --> 03:45:28,399
DAQ.

5368
03:45:28,399 --> 03:45:29,760
When we get the development agreement,

5369
03:45:29,760 --> 03:45:31,520
if it's anything less than that or

5370
03:45:31,520 --> 03:45:34,560
anything more than that,

5371
03:45:34,560 --> 03:45:38,550
it's a no.

5372
03:45:38,560 --> 03:45:40,880
» Okay,

5373
03:45:40,880 --> 03:45:41,920
maybe you've got me there.

5374
03:45:41,920 --> 03:45:43,199
>> Yeah. And I think that's where they I

5375
03:45:43,199 --> 03:45:45,120
think I think it's

5376
03:45:45,120 --> 03:45:45,920
>> what

5377
03:45:45,920 --> 03:45:49,520
>> twofold is is it's it's it's what they

5378
03:45:49,520 --> 03:45:50,800
said and what they said in there and

5379
03:45:50,800 --> 03:45:53,279
it's got to be it's got to be that and

5380
03:45:53,279 --> 03:45:55,040
again number two I think it's an

5381
03:45:55,040 --> 03:45:57,199
important change that we've we've been

5382
03:45:57,199 --> 03:45:58,720
to to where

5383
03:45:58,720 --> 03:46:01,520
>> we are not trying to make decisions that

5384
03:46:01,520 --> 03:46:04,239
are for the next applicant that come to

5385
03:46:04,239 --> 03:46:08,880
Spanish Fork for a data center. It's it's not it's going to be

5386
03:46:08,880 --> 03:46:12,399
>> this process and uh

5387
03:46:12,399 --> 03:46:14,479
and and and it's not going to be written

5388
03:46:14,479 --> 03:46:18,479
into code that they can apply for it.

5389
03:46:18,479 --> 03:46:21,279
>> Hard for me to, you know, businesses uh

5390
03:46:21,279 --> 03:46:22,880
that are in front of us to talk about

5391
03:46:22,880 --> 03:46:26,560
something and ask uh and apply and and

5392
03:46:26,560 --> 03:46:28,399
to judge them too far down the road of

5393
03:46:28,399 --> 03:46:30,080
the next business and what that could

5394
03:46:30,080 --> 03:46:32,479
be. And I know we do that in our

5395
03:46:32,479 --> 03:46:34,560
>> in our zoning code and stuff.

5396
03:46:34,560 --> 03:46:36,080
>> I can I can understand where that comes

5397
03:46:36,080 --> 03:46:37,279
from. But when we're talking about title

5398
03:46:37,279 --> 03:46:39,040
15, we're codifying this not for

5399
03:46:39,040 --> 03:46:41,120
valition, but for our code, right? This

5400
03:46:41,120 --> 03:46:42,479
isn't valition. This is our code. So I

5401
03:46:42,479 --> 03:46:43,600
think that's where I think that's

5402
03:46:43,600 --> 03:46:44,880
different. It's not necessarily saying,

5403
03:46:44,880 --> 03:46:46,720
hey, valition, we're that's what the

5404
03:46:46,720 --> 03:46:48,560
development agreement is for, but this

5405
03:46:48,560 --> 03:46:50,160
is to make sure that we have our code.

5406
03:46:50,160 --> 03:46:51,760
>> What's our code going to say? How many

5407
03:46:51,760 --> 03:46:52,560
data centers?

5408
03:46:52,560 --> 03:46:54,160
>> Right. Well, right now it says or it

5409
03:46:54,160 --> 03:46:55,040
says one. Yeah.

5410
03:46:55,040 --> 03:46:56,640
>> But today it says zero, right? So we're

5411
03:46:56,640 --> 03:46:58,560
we are allowing one if we had this. And

5412
03:46:58,560 --> 03:47:00,560
if we got into the allnight discussion

5413
03:47:00,560 --> 03:47:02,960
of councils binding future councils,

5414
03:47:02,960 --> 03:47:05,120
that would be future councils with

5415
03:47:05,120 --> 03:47:07,199
proven technologies or not proven

5416
03:47:07,199 --> 03:47:09,840
technologies to discuss the next

5417
03:47:09,840 --> 03:47:11,760
hypothetical coming up. Is this an

5418
03:47:11,760 --> 03:47:14,239
instance where the you know going back

5419
03:47:14,239 --> 03:47:16,399
to that accountability matrix where you

5420
03:47:16,399 --> 03:47:19,680
have the inter interlaced uh

5421
03:47:19,680 --> 03:47:22,080
circumstances where the code talks about

5422
03:47:22,080 --> 03:47:23,840
this

5423
03:47:23,840 --> 03:47:27,279
the greater specificity comes into comes

5424
03:47:27,279 --> 03:47:29,120
into play in the development agreement

5425
03:47:29,120 --> 03:47:31,920
but the language here again says it will

5426
03:47:31,920 --> 03:47:33,920
have to meet the terms identified in the

5427
03:47:33,920 --> 03:47:36,560
minor source permit. So, it's, you know,

5428
03:47:36,560 --> 03:47:38,319
the minor source permit, if if I'm

5429
03:47:38,319 --> 03:47:39,520
reading this right, and again, Dave or

5430
03:47:39,520 --> 03:47:41,439
Von, as you've chatted with the DAQ

5431
03:47:41,439 --> 03:47:43,040
folks,

5432
03:47:43,040 --> 03:47:45,920
uh, we're saying if the permit source

5433
03:47:45,920 --> 03:47:48,000
limits are here, but their application

5434
03:47:48,000 --> 03:47:50,239
level is here, their application level

5435
03:47:50,239 --> 03:47:51,040
is

5436
03:47:51,040 --> 03:47:53,199
>> that's not my problem. And and so then

5437
03:47:53,199 --> 03:47:54,880
if we have another, you know, if we have

5438
03:47:54,880 --> 03:47:57,520
that future one, if we're looking at

5439
03:47:57,520 --> 03:48:01,600
their numbers, candidly, I think if if

5440
03:48:01,600 --> 03:48:03,680
data center number two were to walk in,

5441
03:48:03,680 --> 03:48:05,600
I would probably be like, let me see

5442
03:48:05,600 --> 03:48:08,479
what these guys did and let's look at

5443
03:48:08,479 --> 03:48:10,560
those. And I don't know if this is what

5444
03:48:10,560 --> 03:48:12,160
you said a moment ago, but I would I

5445
03:48:12,160 --> 03:48:14,720
would instantly compare because as has

5446
03:48:14,720 --> 03:48:16,960
been said, I'm not an air quality guy.

5447
03:48:16,960 --> 03:48:18,479
And so I'm going to look at them and say

5448
03:48:18,479 --> 03:48:21,359
this is more or this is less. and on

5449
03:48:21,359 --> 03:48:25,120
this and probably start with that

5450
03:48:25,120 --> 03:48:29,510
and and hold them to

5451
03:48:29,520 --> 03:48:31,520
that uh that measuring stick. That's

5452
03:48:31,520 --> 03:48:32,960
where I think I start.

5453
03:48:32,960 --> 03:48:34,640
>> Yeah, but this code does not allow you

5454
03:48:34,640 --> 03:48:38,469
to do that.

5455
03:48:38,479 --> 03:48:40,319
» It doesn't develop agreement.

5456
03:48:40,319 --> 03:48:42,160
>> Development agreement's required. No.

5457
03:48:42,160 --> 03:48:43,199
>> Yeah, the development agreement is

5458
03:48:43,199 --> 03:48:43,760
required.

5459
03:48:43,760 --> 03:48:45,359
>> So you could

5460
03:48:45,359 --> 03:48:47,199
>> So you you're you're suggesting we can

5461
03:48:47,199 --> 03:48:48,160
have a different standard in the

5462
03:48:48,160 --> 03:48:49,359
development agreement that we do in our

5463
03:48:49,359 --> 03:48:51,120
code. And I think

5464
03:48:51,120 --> 03:48:52,880
>> just just out of personal preference,

5465
03:48:52,880 --> 03:48:57,110
>> they can agree to it.

5466
03:48:57,120 --> 03:48:59,439
» I think that's what we've mapped out.

5467
03:48:59,439 --> 03:49:02,080
>> I I think in this very specific case, to

5468
03:49:02,080 --> 03:49:05,120
your point, Mike, it's I'm more

5469
03:49:05,120 --> 03:49:07,040
comfortable with the vagueness in this

5470
03:49:07,040 --> 03:49:10,160
because I know what their permit says. I

5471
03:49:10,160 --> 03:49:11,199
know what's going to be in the

5472
03:49:11,199 --> 03:49:13,520
development agreement. your point about

5473
03:49:13,520 --> 03:49:15,359
a future.

5474
03:49:15,359 --> 03:49:20,239
If we hold hard and fast to the one,

5475
03:49:20,239 --> 03:49:22,080
if it ever comes up,

5476
03:49:22,080 --> 03:49:24,399
>> I can get my questions answered on the

5477
03:49:24,399 --> 03:49:27,670
next one.

5478
03:49:27,680 --> 03:49:30,000
» So, I get that.

5479
03:49:30,000 --> 03:49:32,479
I'm not comfortable with the way it's

5480
03:49:32,479 --> 03:49:35,279
written for a future application. It's

5481
03:49:35,279 --> 03:49:38,640
too vague for me. But, I have actually

5482
03:49:38,640 --> 03:49:40,479
seen the permit. I'm I'm comfortable

5483
03:49:40,479 --> 03:49:42,239
with the numbers in the permit. I know

5484
03:49:42,239 --> 03:49:43,359
we'll be in the development agreement.

5485
03:49:43,359 --> 03:49:44,800
If they come back with a different

5486
03:49:44,800 --> 03:49:46,080
permit application in the development

5487
03:49:46,080 --> 03:49:48,000
agreement,

5488
03:49:48,000 --> 03:49:49,120
>> I'm hard no.

5489
03:49:49,120 --> 03:49:49,920
>> Right.

5490
03:49:49,920 --> 03:49:51,279
>> Because that violates the trust that

5491
03:49:51,279 --> 03:49:57,040
we've been talking about all night. So I I get your point. We are protected in

5492
03:49:57,040 --> 03:49:59,040
this particular case.

5493
03:49:59,040 --> 03:50:00,080
>> Is that enough?

5494
03:50:00,080 --> 03:50:02,319
It's it's it's enough

5495
03:50:02,319 --> 03:50:03,439
because it's one,

5496
03:50:03,439 --> 03:50:04,479
>> right? And

5497
03:50:04,479 --> 03:50:06,160
>> and that's sort of the catchall of all

5498
03:50:06,160 --> 03:50:06,560
this.

5499
03:50:06,560 --> 03:50:09,840
>> And if it if it changes,

5500
03:50:09,840 --> 03:50:12,080
>> who knows when, right? on the road.

5501
03:50:12,080 --> 03:50:13,680
We're having this discussion all over

5502
03:50:13,680 --> 03:50:14,000
again.

5503
03:50:14,000 --> 03:50:14,880
>> Yep. And I

5504
03:50:14,880 --> 03:50:15,680
>> for the next one,

5505
03:50:15,680 --> 03:50:18,160
>> then it'll be an overlay.

5506
03:50:18,160 --> 03:50:20,800
>> I much prefer that than one, but Yep.

5507
03:50:20,800 --> 03:50:22,000
Okay.

5508
03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:24,399
>> All right,

5509
03:50:24,399 --> 03:50:25,120
>> Mr. Mayor.

5510
03:50:25,120 --> 03:50:25,439
>> Yes.

5511
03:50:25,439 --> 03:50:26,000
>> Agree with me.

5512
03:50:26,000 --> 03:50:26,640
>> So,

5513
03:50:26,640 --> 03:50:28,399
>> I don't want to backtrack, but the

5514
03:50:28,399 --> 03:50:31,840
specific issue that we're talking about

5515
03:50:31,840 --> 03:50:34,080
>> that would be easier to address with an

5516
03:50:34,080 --> 03:50:36,560
overlay. So if that's something that

5517
03:50:36,560 --> 03:50:38,640
you're contemplating because the council

5518
03:50:38,640 --> 03:50:41,520
does have legislative authority to

5519
03:50:41,520 --> 03:50:44,560
review a particular application and you

5520
03:50:44,560 --> 03:50:46,640
know the admission levels that exactly

5521
03:50:46,640 --> 03:50:48,479
you could evaluate that

5522
03:50:48,479 --> 03:50:50,640
>> and I think whatever you wanted to

5523
03:50:50,640 --> 03:50:52,479
determine that would be appropriate for

5524
03:50:52,479 --> 03:50:53,680
whatever site it is that you're talking

5525
03:50:53,680 --> 03:50:55,920
about at that point in time. you could

5526
03:50:55,920 --> 03:51:00,800
nail that down in a very specific way um

5527
03:51:00,800 --> 03:51:03,359
more easily than

5528
03:51:03,359 --> 03:51:04,880
how it would be with what's proposed

5529
03:51:04,880 --> 03:51:05,279
tonight.

5530
03:51:05,279 --> 03:51:06,239
>> Sure.

5531
03:51:06,239 --> 03:51:07,600
>> Yeah. The alternative of that is to put

5532
03:51:07,600 --> 03:51:09,279
a bunch of numbers in this.

5533
03:51:09,279 --> 03:51:09,840
>> Exactly.

5534
03:51:09,840 --> 03:51:11,359
>> And say stay under these regardless of

5535
03:51:11,359 --> 03:51:12,720
what the permit says, stay under these.

5536
03:51:12,720 --> 03:51:14,399
>> Right. Who

5537
03:51:14,399 --> 03:51:15,840
>> who comes up with those numbers?

5538
03:51:15,840 --> 03:51:16,880
>> Yeah.

5539
03:51:16,880 --> 03:51:17,760
>> We'll get them wrong.

5540
03:51:17,760 --> 03:51:19,520
>> I'm an air quality expert. As of last

5541
03:51:19,520 --> 03:51:19,840
week,

5542
03:51:19,840 --> 03:51:21,199
>> that'll be the first thing. As we've

5543
03:51:21,199 --> 03:51:22,479
worked through it on the staff side,

5544
03:51:22,479 --> 03:51:24,800
I've been really hesitant about getting

5545
03:51:24,800 --> 03:51:26,800
into this space because we're just not

5546
03:51:26,800 --> 03:51:29,040
>> I 100% agree that we don't want to be in

5547
03:51:29,040 --> 03:51:30,560
the monitoring space. You've convinced

5548
03:51:30,560 --> 03:51:32,880
me that that's a bad idea.

5549
03:51:32,880 --> 03:51:34,160
>> You've somewhat convinced me that's a

5550
03:51:34,160 --> 03:51:34,640
bad idea.

5551
03:51:34,640 --> 03:51:36,080
>> Oh, if it was somebody else, you'd have

5552
03:51:36,080 --> 03:51:36,880
said you

5553
03:51:36,880 --> 03:51:40,000
>> Nope. Um,

5554
03:51:40,000 --> 03:51:41,359
we're going to monitor anyway. They're

5555
03:51:41,359 --> 03:51:42,560
going to do that.

5556
03:51:42,560 --> 03:51:44,720
>> It's not getting into the space to stay

5557
03:51:44,720 --> 03:51:46,080
under these levels. That's not getting

5558
03:51:46,080 --> 03:51:47,199
into the air quality space.

5559
03:51:47,199 --> 03:51:50,160
>> Yeah. I just don't I what I was reading

5560
03:51:50,160 --> 03:51:53,040
doing some Kevin like research and I was

5561
03:51:53,040 --> 03:51:56,479
reading some data and and it I'm not

5562
03:51:56,479 --> 03:51:57,760
going to get into all the details but it

5563
03:51:57,760 --> 03:52:00,080
said it was going to raise whatever

5564
03:52:00,080 --> 03:52:03,760
emission level um from three from a

5565
03:52:03,760 --> 03:52:06,160
range of three to 27 and I remember

5566
03:52:06,160 --> 03:52:07,439
reading I think I may have talked to you

5567
03:52:07,439 --> 03:52:09,279
about this one

5568
03:52:09,279 --> 03:52:10,720
in one of the many conversations we've

5569
03:52:10,720 --> 03:52:13,359
all had and I was like wow 3 to 27

5570
03:52:13,359 --> 03:52:15,920
that's huge maybe and then I kept

5571
03:52:15,920 --> 03:52:18,800
reading And you know the the the

5572
03:52:18,800 --> 03:52:21,439
dangerous level was like 10 times

5573
03:52:21,439 --> 03:52:23,520
wherever it was. So it was like nobody

5574
03:52:23,520 --> 03:52:24,560
would have noticed it. It would have

5575
03:52:24,560 --> 03:52:28,319
been uh you know 3 to 27 was on a scale

5576
03:52:28,319 --> 03:52:31,760
of 300 to 5,000 is where we were

5577
03:52:31,760 --> 03:52:34,720
talking. And so it was 303 to 5,000,

5578
03:52:34,720 --> 03:52:37,439
right? And so I'm just not comfortable

5579
03:52:37,439 --> 03:52:39,279
that

5580
03:52:39,279 --> 03:52:41,120
>> we got we can get there with those

5581
03:52:41,120 --> 03:52:42,479
numbers. the

5582
03:52:42,479 --> 03:52:43,760
>> what? [clears throat] They they don't

5583
03:52:43,760 --> 03:52:44,239
make

5584
03:52:44,239 --> 03:52:46,000
>> they're a state agency for a reason.

5585
03:52:46,000 --> 03:52:48,160
They do this. They do this for a living.

5586
03:52:48,160 --> 03:52:49,199
I get it.

5587
03:52:49,199 --> 03:52:49,600
>> Um

5588
03:52:49,600 --> 03:52:50,720
>> they have the budget, too.

5589
03:52:50,720 --> 03:52:54,560
>> I I I find it this is sort of Sorry,

5590
03:52:54,560 --> 03:52:55,600
mayor. I'm going to be a little

5591
03:52:55,600 --> 03:52:57,680
political. This I find it super ironic

5592
03:52:57,680 --> 03:53:04,479
that now because of this, we are hyper aware

5593
03:53:04,479 --> 03:53:07,920
of air quality in Utah County.

5594
03:53:07,920 --> 03:53:11,600
I'm I'm cruising behind a a a uh a truck

5595
03:53:11,600 --> 03:53:15,040
and it rolls coal in my face and now

5596
03:53:15,040 --> 03:53:16,479
I'm more concerned about air quality

5597
03:53:16,479 --> 03:53:17,840
because of data center, not that truck

5598
03:53:17,840 --> 03:53:19,040
in front of me. But

5599
03:53:19,040 --> 03:53:20,640
>> whatever whatever brings awareness, I

5600
03:53:20,640 --> 03:53:22,080
don't care.

5601
03:53:22,080 --> 03:53:22,479
>> But

5602
03:53:22,479 --> 03:53:24,319
>> those questions have been asked to me

5603
03:53:24,319 --> 03:53:25,760
the last couple of weeks. Now, wait a

5604
03:53:25,760 --> 03:53:27,840
second. We we should be caring about

5605
03:53:27,840 --> 03:53:31,520
this more in absolutely in other places,

5606
03:53:31,520 --> 03:53:33,680
not not just this current place.

5607
03:53:33,680 --> 03:53:34,800
>> It's interesting. I was talking to my

5608
03:53:34,800 --> 03:53:36,880
counterpart in another city that has a

5609
03:53:36,880 --> 03:53:38,640
couple of these and number one, he

5610
03:53:38,640 --> 03:53:41,359
didn't know that the data center that we

5611
03:53:41,359 --> 03:53:42,880
were talking about in particular was

5612
03:53:42,880 --> 03:53:45,840
operating Bloom equipment. Um, and so I

5613
03:53:45,840 --> 03:53:46,720
was telling him some of the things that

5614
03:53:46,720 --> 03:53:49,359
we had we had experienced and what uh

5615
03:53:49,359 --> 03:53:51,199
what we had seen and smelled and heard,

5616
03:53:51,199 --> 03:53:52,720
etc., and what we didn't see and smell

5617
03:53:52,720 --> 03:53:56,000
and hear and the like. And and he was

5618
03:53:56,000 --> 03:53:57,279
he's like, "I have no idea what you're

5619
03:53:57,279 --> 03:53:58,239
talking about. You know more about the

5620
03:53:58,239 --> 03:54:02,319
data center in my town than I do." And I said, "Well, what do you what do

5621
03:54:02,319 --> 03:54:04,399
you guys put in place about air quality

5622
03:54:04,399 --> 03:54:06,000
and he's like we don't even talk about

5623
03:54:06,000 --> 03:54:08,560
it. It's a state thing. Like we don't

5624
03:54:08,560 --> 03:54:10,640
it's not a part of what we do.

5625
03:54:10,640 --> 03:54:12,560
>> And interestingly that particular plant

5626
03:54:12,560 --> 03:54:14,319
that's running this technology is

5627
03:54:14,319 --> 03:54:16,399
running that this technology that is

5628
03:54:16,399 --> 03:54:19,279
cleaner as a stop gap on their way to

5629
03:54:19,279 --> 03:54:20,960
diesel generators that will be the

5630
03:54:20,960 --> 03:54:22,800
eventual technology when they when

5631
03:54:22,800 --> 03:54:24,880
that's done. And so whatever it is

5632
03:54:24,880 --> 03:54:27,120
they're doing, it'll be worse uh based

5633
03:54:27,120 --> 03:54:30,880
on the permits and whatnot. But they've completely kicked it over too.

5634
03:54:30,880 --> 03:54:32,640
I'm looking forward to the robust

5635
03:54:32,640 --> 03:54:34,560
conversation that this council has on

5636
03:54:34,560 --> 03:54:37,439
future applicants, not data centers, on

5637
03:54:37,439 --> 03:54:40,800
any industry emits emits solutions.

5638
03:54:40,800 --> 03:54:43,199
>> Things will be like this.

5639
03:54:43,199 --> 03:54:45,120
>> Things will change in the future. I one

5640
03:54:45,120 --> 03:54:47,680
of my favorite childhood memories was

5641
03:54:47,680 --> 03:54:49,600
sitting in the basement with a bucket of

5642
03:54:49,600 --> 03:54:51,680
popcorn watching a movie and the wood

5643
03:54:51,680 --> 03:54:54,000
burning stove going. How many how many

5644
03:54:54,000 --> 03:54:55,600
wood burning stoves do we have in our

5645
03:54:55,600 --> 03:54:57,680
basements anymore that people light up?

5646
03:54:57,680 --> 03:55:00,160
>> I know of two in town. Yeah, I can I can

5647
03:55:00,160 --> 03:55:02,319
smell them when they're on.

5648
03:55:02,319 --> 03:55:03,760
>> So, things change.

5649
03:55:03,760 --> 03:55:05,840
>> Well, and and and and I want to point

5650
03:55:05,840 --> 03:55:08,000
out there too like the the facility that

5651
03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:09,199
we are talking about that has been

5652
03:55:09,199 --> 03:55:12,160
brought up that we've went to um it it

5653
03:55:12,160 --> 03:55:14,880
is we're unique in Spanish Fork, but I

5654
03:55:14,880 --> 03:55:17,359
will tell you that place is is in the

5655
03:55:17,359 --> 03:55:20,319
valley that has inversion problems, too.

5656
03:55:20,319 --> 03:55:22,640
We both valleys, our valley and Salt

5657
03:55:22,640 --> 03:55:25,439
Lake have have those inversion issues.

5658
03:55:25,439 --> 03:55:28,479
And so it's don't don't think that it's

5659
03:55:28,479 --> 03:55:35,760
not been top of our mind uh and and in deep kind of the deep dive of this is

5660
03:55:35,760 --> 03:55:38,080
because we do know what sometimes we

5661
03:55:38,080 --> 03:55:41,680
deal with in in our area with with

5662
03:55:41,680 --> 03:55:47,439
trapped hot air um uh over cold. So

5663
03:55:47,439 --> 03:55:49,279
>> while we're on air, can I ask or confirm

5664
03:55:49,279 --> 03:55:51,439
one thing? We got a couple emails about

5665
03:55:51,439 --> 03:55:53,520
Knox, which I didn't even know what that

5666
03:55:53,520 --> 03:55:57,520
was. I'm assuming NOX is in the minor.

5667
03:55:57,520 --> 03:55:58,640
>> Yeah.

5668
03:55:58,640 --> 03:56:01,359
>> Right. So, that's something when people

5669
03:56:01,359 --> 03:56:02,800
reach out to us and say, "What about

5670
03:56:02,800 --> 03:56:04,560
Knox the particles?" I I don't know what

5671
03:56:04,560 --> 03:56:06,319
that is, but someone at the state does.

5672
03:56:06,319 --> 03:56:07,840
And they're they're going to get that

5673
03:56:07,840 --> 03:56:09,199
and they're going to monitor it. So, I

5674
03:56:09,199 --> 03:56:11,840
just wanted to confirm the emails that

5675
03:56:11,840 --> 03:56:14,000
we received about Knox. It's in this

5676
03:56:14,000 --> 03:56:14,720
minor

5677
03:56:14,720 --> 03:56:17,520
>> Knox and many other things. many other

5678
03:56:17,520 --> 03:56:17,920
many

5679
03:56:17,920 --> 03:56:19,760
>> which again I think we've said it but

5680
03:56:19,760 --> 03:56:22,080
that is a proposal that they've they're

5681
03:56:22,080 --> 03:56:24,800
going over now and measuring on the

5682
03:56:24,800 --> 03:56:27,199
hypothetical of what's built but it

5683
03:56:27,199 --> 03:56:29,920
doesn't stop right applicant it is it is

5684
03:56:29,920 --> 03:56:32,160
something that they come out and test

5685
03:56:32,160 --> 03:56:34,080
and you have to report on at least

5686
03:56:34,080 --> 03:56:43,349
annually so it's not a oneandone it is continuous so

5687
03:56:43,359 --> 03:56:49,120
okay um energy storage. Um, I think this

5688
03:56:49,120 --> 03:56:51,520
is an important part that mentions

5689
03:56:51,520 --> 03:56:53,680
electrical and fire codes and applicable

5690
03:56:53,680 --> 03:56:55,359
state and federal requirements. The

5691
03:56:55,359 --> 03:56:56,960
applicant hasn't asked for it, so I'm

5692
03:56:56,960 --> 03:57:00,080
just I just want to state it publicly.

5693
03:57:00,080 --> 03:57:02,880
So, our citizens get it too. There there

5694
03:57:02,880 --> 03:57:05,600
is a cost and fire chief is here, but

5695
03:57:05,600 --> 03:57:07,600
there is a cost if there's an incident

5696
03:57:07,600 --> 03:57:12,880
at a place like this. Um and and and

5697
03:57:12,880 --> 03:57:16,319
as far as I've can tell and written in

5698
03:57:16,319 --> 03:57:20,640
code here, it's not on us. Uh obviously

5699
03:57:20,640 --> 03:57:22,160
somebody we have to respond to

5700
03:57:22,160 --> 03:57:24,720
businesses and residential in our

5701
03:57:24,720 --> 03:57:28,319
community, but it's not it's not on us

5702
03:57:28,319 --> 03:57:32,160
that we're having to um what the

5703
03:57:32,160 --> 03:57:34,000
citizens are have to cover this cost by

5704
03:57:34,000 --> 03:57:35,760
any any means. We already go to that

5705
03:57:35,760 --> 03:57:39,439
place. If there's an incident there, has been incidences there in n

5706
03:57:39,439 --> 03:57:42,319
since 93. We already go there. We still

5707
03:57:42,319 --> 03:57:44,880
have to go there as the as the fire

5708
03:57:44,880 --> 03:57:47,199
marshall and emergency services.

5709
03:57:47,199 --> 03:57:48,560
>> Von, is this one of the places where

5710
03:57:48,560 --> 03:57:55,670
that may will turn into a shell?

5711
03:57:55,680 --> 03:57:56,720
» First sentence.

5712
03:57:56,720 --> 03:57:58,239
>> Yeah. An on-site power generation

5713
03:57:58,239 --> 03:57:59,920
facility shall.

5714
03:57:59,920 --> 03:58:02,000
>> I don't know if they need to have that.

5715
03:58:02,000 --> 03:58:04,560
That's the battery backup system.

5716
03:58:04,560 --> 03:58:05,600
>> Are you talking about the first May?

5717
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:06,640
Yeah, I'm Yeah,

5718
03:58:06,640 --> 03:58:08,239
>> I don't think that needs to be a shell.

5719
03:58:08,239 --> 03:58:08,880
>> I don't think that should

5720
03:58:08,880 --> 03:58:09,920
>> There was just a statement earlier. You

5721
03:58:09,920 --> 03:58:11,120
said that the maze were shells. That's

5722
03:58:11,120 --> 03:58:11,920
why I was asking the question.

5723
03:58:11,920 --> 03:58:13,439
>> Not all maze should be shells. They are

5724
03:58:13,439 --> 03:58:14,479
different.

5725
03:58:14,479 --> 03:58:16,160
>> Somebody said somebody said that.

5726
03:58:16,160 --> 03:58:18,880
>> So, this is a may that says if they the

5727
03:58:18,880 --> 03:58:20,319
applicant want to have batteries, they

5728
03:58:20,319 --> 03:58:21,359
may have.

5729
03:58:21,359 --> 03:58:22,560
>> Got it. Thank you. That's

5730
03:58:22,560 --> 03:58:25,279
>> not not the city may do some test. So,

5731
03:58:25,279 --> 03:58:28,389
yeah.

5732
03:58:28,399 --> 03:58:31,040
» But go down to the next paragraph and

5733
03:58:31,040 --> 03:58:32,880
there was a may that fourth word was

5734
03:58:32,880 --> 03:58:34,800
probably a may comply and it said shall,

5735
03:58:34,800 --> 03:58:36,479
right? That's the That's the difference.

5736
03:58:36,479 --> 03:58:39,120
>> There may still be a few point that we

5737
03:58:39,120 --> 03:58:40,720
will catch that will be better. I

5738
03:58:40,720 --> 03:58:43,279
highlighted them. So,

5739
03:58:43,279 --> 03:58:44,880
>> but not here.

5740
03:58:44,880 --> 03:58:47,840
>> Uh there's a big one big one here in in

5741
03:58:47,840 --> 03:58:50,000
the isolation part of this shall not

5742
03:58:50,000 --> 03:58:52,800
interconnect um with with the current

5743
03:58:52,800 --> 03:58:55,120
grid. And so I we have been sent

5744
03:58:55,120 --> 03:58:57,439
articles which I completely understand

5745
03:58:57,439 --> 03:58:59,840
and appreciate people searching those

5746
03:58:59,840 --> 03:59:05,760
out too of um of other other facilities

5747
03:59:05,760 --> 03:59:08,640
pro possibly being on the grid and what

5748
03:59:08,640 --> 03:59:12,399
that does to us all being on the grid.

5749
03:59:12,399 --> 03:59:14,479
This doesn't allow it. So, they wouldn't

5750
03:59:14,479 --> 03:59:16,720
be connected to the grid. And they some

5751
03:59:16,720 --> 03:59:19,600
people say, "Well, how do you know?" Uh

5752
03:59:19,600 --> 03:59:21,520
because that's metered. We would know if

5753
03:59:21,520 --> 03:59:24,080
you if you plugged in an extra meter to

5754
03:59:24,080 --> 03:59:26,800
your house, to your business, uh we we

5755
03:59:26,800 --> 03:59:28,479
would know. And we're talking about

5756
03:59:28,479 --> 03:59:31,920
larger power issues here that you you

5757
03:59:31,920 --> 03:59:35,680
couldn't do it uh without us knowing. Um

5758
03:59:35,680 --> 03:59:37,600
we do have Jake here. I think we take

5759
03:59:37,600 --> 03:59:39,520
advantage of Mr. Tire sitting over

5760
03:59:39,520 --> 03:59:39,840
there.

5761
03:59:39,840 --> 03:59:41,439
>> Yeah, Jake, I'll ask you a question.

5762
03:59:41,439 --> 03:59:43,279
>> If they connected to the grid, would you

5763
03:59:43,279 --> 03:59:44,800
know it?

5764
03:59:44,800 --> 03:59:47,359
>> Yes, absolutely. Sorry.

5765
03:59:47,359 --> 03:59:49,199
>> Yes, absolutely. Our meters read both

5766
03:59:49,199 --> 03:59:49,920
ways.

5767
03:59:49,920 --> 03:59:52,399
>> And I think you'd know it in other ways,

5768
03:59:52,399 --> 03:59:53,040
too.

5769
03:59:53,040 --> 03:59:55,101
>> We would melt down. I mean, literally,

5770
03:59:55,101 --> 03:59:58,239
[laughter] I there's no way the system

5771
03:59:58,239 --> 03:59:59,760
we have could support something like

5772
03:59:59,760 --> 04:00:00,960
this. Yeah.

5773
04:00:00,960 --> 04:00:03,520
>> So, you you're going to be doing you're

5774
04:00:03,520 --> 04:00:05,040
going to be doing different inspections

5775
04:00:05,040 --> 04:00:06,560
and whatnot. I mean, that it says in

5776
04:00:06,560 --> 04:00:07,359
here. So,

5777
04:00:07,359 --> 04:00:09,680
>> let let's talk a little bit about the

5778
04:00:09,680 --> 04:00:12,160
property and its current use being on

5779
04:00:12,160 --> 04:00:14,880
the grid. I assume during construction

5780
04:00:14,880 --> 04:00:16,160
phase, they're going to need to be on

5781
04:00:16,160 --> 04:00:18,479
our grid as they do construction. What's

5782
04:00:18,479 --> 04:00:20,560
the time frame? What What does that look

5783
04:00:20,560 --> 04:00:23,840
like as far as the cut over?

5784
04:00:23,840 --> 04:00:26,319
uh that I assume is going to be part of

5785
04:00:26,319 --> 04:00:27,680
the development agreement kind of

5786
04:00:27,680 --> 04:00:30,800
outline the connectivity to the power

5787
04:00:30,800 --> 04:00:33,359
grid and uh obviously there's some

5788
04:00:33,359 --> 04:00:35,920
capacity there today. That building is

5789
04:00:35,920 --> 04:00:37,920
actually one of our large power users.

5790
04:00:37,920 --> 04:00:39,279
So we're actually going to be losing

5791
04:00:39,279 --> 04:00:42,160
some revenue from that building and

5792
04:00:42,160 --> 04:00:44,880
we're going to be dialing that back for

5793
04:00:44,880 --> 04:00:46,399
this operation because they are going to

5794
04:00:46,399 --> 04:00:49,120
be a selfgen operation. So there is

5795
04:00:49,120 --> 04:00:50,560
power there probably to support their

5796
04:00:50,560 --> 04:00:52,720
construction. I don't know if I've seen

5797
04:00:52,720 --> 04:00:54,239
how much they're going to need for the

5798
04:00:54,239 --> 04:00:55,520
construction, but I think we have enough

5799
04:00:55,520 --> 04:00:56,560
there to support it.

5800
04:00:56,560 --> 04:01:00,399
>> Is the plan in the future to be entirely

5801
04:01:00,399 --> 04:01:02,479
islanded, meaning office space, and

5802
04:01:02,479 --> 04:01:03,680
everything?

5803
04:01:03,680 --> 04:01:05,760
>> No. The last paragraph here specifically

5804
04:01:05,760 --> 04:01:08,000
identifies uh the connections that they

5805
04:01:08,000 --> 04:01:09,600
would maintain, office, maintenance,

5806
04:01:09,600 --> 04:01:12,000
custodial, and those kinds of things. We

5807
04:01:12,000 --> 04:01:14,479
would expect them and and frankly, I

5808
04:01:14,479 --> 04:01:16,800
would strongly advise that we continue

5809
04:01:16,800 --> 04:01:19,600
to have them be a customer. U

5810
04:01:19,600 --> 04:01:21,600
>> Yeah. So to Jake's point, we will still

5811
04:01:21,600 --> 04:01:23,439
be getting some revenue from that side

5812
04:01:23,439 --> 04:01:26,479
of it, just not possibly the full

5813
04:01:26,479 --> 04:01:28,319
potential that you would have.

5814
04:01:28,319 --> 04:01:31,040
>> Yeah, we would differentiate the compute

5815
04:01:31,040 --> 04:01:33,120
power and the infrastructure associated

5816
04:01:33,120 --> 04:01:34,239
with that

5817
04:01:34,239 --> 04:01:35,279
>> from the typical office.

5818
04:01:35,279 --> 04:01:36,319
>> I think the question I want to ask

5819
04:01:36,319 --> 04:01:39,600
there, Jake, there's other places for

5820
04:01:39,600 --> 04:01:41,760
that power to go. There's other people

5821
04:01:41,760 --> 04:01:44,399
that are wanting to use that power

5822
04:01:44,399 --> 04:01:46,880
possibly in our community. So it's not

5823
04:01:46,880 --> 04:01:48,880
like I could see us passing on saying,

5824
04:01:48,880 --> 04:01:51,760
"Hey, we lost this power revenue, so all

5825
04:01:51,760 --> 04:01:53,359
of our power rates are going up."

5826
04:01:53,359 --> 04:01:55,199
>> Yeah, absolutely. So, uh,

5827
04:01:55,199 --> 04:01:56,960
>> there's there's places for that power to

5828
04:01:56,960 --> 04:01:57,359
go.

5829
04:01:57,359 --> 04:02:01,110
>> Correct. Yep.

5830
04:02:01,120 --> 04:02:03,680
» Question. In the first sentence under

5831
04:02:03,680 --> 04:02:06,960
electrical isolation, the word unless,

5832
04:02:06,960 --> 04:02:12,950
does that throw the whole sentence off?

5833
04:02:12,960 --> 04:02:13,840
Does

5834
04:02:13,840 --> 04:02:16,399
>> I I think it just means if the city were

5835
04:02:16,399 --> 04:02:18,479
to approve it somehow someday in the

5836
04:02:18,479 --> 04:02:21,680
future, right? Unless the city approves

5837
04:02:21,680 --> 04:02:22,720
it,

5838
04:02:22,720 --> 04:02:24,319
>> which we never would.

5839
04:02:24,319 --> 04:02:26,319
>> We can't.

5840
04:02:26,319 --> 04:02:26,960
>> And why would we?

5841
04:02:26,960 --> 04:02:29,600
>> So why do we have it in there in there?

5842
04:02:29,600 --> 04:02:31,920
>> I strike that sentence.

5843
04:02:31,920 --> 04:02:32,800
>> That word

5844
04:02:32,800 --> 04:02:36,319
>> or word is isn't that trying to go the

5845
04:02:36,319 --> 04:02:39,199
other way? Isn't that trying to go like

5846
04:02:39,199 --> 04:02:41,040
some of these

5847
04:02:41,040 --> 04:02:43,680
places are being told the way you need

5848
04:02:43,680 --> 04:02:45,359
to help a community and we don't

5849
04:02:45,359 --> 04:02:48,000
necessarily need help this way because

5850
04:02:48,000 --> 04:02:50,800
we have good power sources through UMPA

5851
04:02:50,800 --> 04:02:52,399
but I think that's meaning going the

5852
04:02:52,399 --> 04:02:53,359
other way. Yeah.

5853
04:02:53,359 --> 04:02:54,880
>> Like them giving us power.

5854
04:02:54,880 --> 04:02:56,960
>> Correct. They produce extra power and

5855
04:02:56,960 --> 04:02:59,199
putting it on the grid for us to use. Is

5856
04:02:59,199 --> 04:03:02,000
that how you guys look at it

5857
04:03:02,000 --> 04:03:05,120
>> at at a future day? If the transmission

5858
04:03:05,120 --> 04:03:07,199
network that is between Spanish Fork,

5859
04:03:07,199 --> 04:03:09,120
the SUVPS network, and the Rocky

5860
04:03:09,120 --> 04:03:10,720
Mountain power network, if it could

5861
04:03:10,720 --> 04:03:13,040
handle this, we could absolutely see

5862
04:03:13,040 --> 04:03:15,680
UMPA, our power provider, reaching out

5863
04:03:15,680 --> 04:03:19,680
to them and saying, can we enter into a

5864
04:03:19,680 --> 04:03:22,319
power purchase agreement and supply

5865
04:03:22,319 --> 04:03:25,840
power to us in some quantity?

5866
04:03:25,840 --> 04:03:26,399
Okay.

5867
04:03:26,399 --> 04:03:28,239
>> In reality, there is the possibility

5868
04:03:28,239 --> 04:03:30,399
that could be beneficial to the to the

5869
04:03:30,399 --> 04:03:32,880
residents because if we're dependent now

5870
04:03:32,880 --> 04:03:34,239
on hydro

5871
04:03:34,239 --> 04:03:36,239
>> power coming out of Lake Pal and Lake

5872
04:03:36,239 --> 04:03:38,319
Pal's is what it is, we're not

5873
04:03:38,319 --> 04:03:40,960
generating as much. UMPA then has to go

5874
04:03:40,960 --> 04:03:43,199
to the open market to purchase power,

5875
04:03:43,199 --> 04:03:45,120
>> which could be much more than possibly

5876
04:03:45,120 --> 04:03:47,600
what we could get from this scenario.

5877
04:03:47,600 --> 04:03:49,600
Not saying that would ever happen,

5878
04:03:49,600 --> 04:03:50,960
>> but it's a possibility.

5879
04:03:50,960 --> 04:03:52,640
>> Yeah. And and what's the number, Jake?

5880
04:03:52,640 --> 04:03:55,199
If we were to uh if if we were to

5881
04:03:55,199 --> 04:03:57,359
entertain receiving some power at this

5882
04:03:57,359 --> 04:03:58,880
kind of level, what what's the current

5883
04:03:58,880 --> 04:04:00,239
estimate that Rocky Mountain Power has

5884
04:04:00,239 --> 04:04:02,640
given us to be able to handle

5885
04:04:02,640 --> 04:04:05,120
transmission of power like this?

5886
04:04:05,120 --> 04:04:09,199
>> We have a pretty good idea that uh the

5887
04:04:09,199 --> 04:04:11,760
local grid cannot handle this type of

5888
04:04:11,760 --> 04:04:14,479
generation coming on let alone Spanish

5889
04:04:14,479 --> 04:04:17,279
forest system the larger power grid

5890
04:04:17,279 --> 04:04:21,199
can't come on. And so anything generated

5891
04:04:21,199 --> 04:04:25,600
uh UMPA is under contracts to uh apply

5892
04:04:25,600 --> 04:04:27,840
for an application for that interconnect

5893
04:04:27,840 --> 04:04:29,760
generation through our transmission

5894
04:04:29,760 --> 04:04:33,680
contracts. And so anything literally

5895
04:04:33,680 --> 04:04:35,680
anything generation over a megawatt's

5896
04:04:35,680 --> 04:04:37,439
got to go through that process.

5897
04:04:37,439 --> 04:04:41,040
>> So this isn't the Spanish fork decision.

5898
04:04:41,040 --> 04:04:43,760
>> Yeah, controls that. We're all

5899
04:04:43,760 --> 04:04:46,239
requirements city that fall under the

5900
04:04:46,239 --> 04:04:49,600
agreements. Okay. So

5901
04:04:49,600 --> 04:04:52,319
>> yeah, I'm not as I think that unless

5902
04:04:52,319 --> 04:04:57,349
means means that way.

5903
04:04:57,359 --> 04:05:00,469
» Um

5904
04:05:00,479 --> 04:05:02,319
» we've heard a little bit about noise and

5905
04:05:02,319 --> 04:05:03,520
low frequenc. Okay,

5906
04:05:03,520 --> 04:05:05,760
>> I don't want to go back to electric

5907
04:05:05,760 --> 04:05:08,160
isolation, but Marie asked a question.

5908
04:05:08,160 --> 04:05:11,279
Who polices the data center? Um back up

5909
04:05:11,279 --> 04:05:13,920
under air quality, the state air quality

5910
04:05:13,920 --> 04:05:17,120
DAQ does. As we move down, there'll be

5911
04:05:17,120 --> 04:05:19,680
different different jurisdictions that

5912
04:05:19,680 --> 04:05:22,080
would do the policing

5913
04:05:22,080 --> 04:05:25,600
or the accountability, if you will. So,

5914
04:05:25,600 --> 04:05:27,359
trying to answer your question in real

5915
04:05:27,359 --> 04:05:33,110
time instead of typing it. Okay.

5916
04:05:33,120 --> 04:05:35,359
Um

5917
04:05:35,359 --> 04:05:38,640
I think this um this is what was an

5918
04:05:38,640 --> 04:05:41,600
important section

5919
04:05:41,600 --> 04:05:43,920
that I think the third paragraph

5920
04:05:43,920 --> 04:05:46,640
captures of acoustic analysis prepared

5921
04:05:46,640 --> 04:05:49,120
by a qualified professional. Again,

5922
04:05:49,120 --> 04:05:51,680
these are these are con concerns that

5923
04:05:51,680 --> 04:05:55,040
we've heard. We've heard the uh the

5924
04:05:55,040 --> 04:05:59,279
emails and the the phone calls on uh

5925
04:05:59,279 --> 04:06:00,880
it's not just one type of sound, but

5926
04:06:00,880 --> 04:06:02,800
another type of sound. I I think it's

5927
04:06:02,800 --> 04:06:04,479
important to read in this section that

5928
04:06:04,479 --> 04:06:06,319
it's not

5929
04:06:06,319 --> 04:06:07,520
some people have said, well, they'll

5930
04:06:07,520 --> 04:06:09,439
just get somebody to do that and pass it

5931
04:06:09,439 --> 04:06:11,359
off. Again, I'm not we're not asking you

5932
04:06:11,359 --> 04:06:13,760
to trust somebody. uh there are

5933
04:06:13,760 --> 04:06:16,960
independent people that would be hired

5934
04:06:16,960 --> 04:06:22,560
to uh to measure that stuff and give us the readings of of what that is.

5935
04:06:22,560 --> 04:06:24,479
Um both the high and the low

5936
04:06:24,479 --> 04:06:26,479
frequencies. I think that's an important

5937
04:06:26,479 --> 04:06:28,800
point to make in the title.

5938
04:06:28,800 --> 04:06:30,160
>> I have some questions on this one.

5939
04:06:30,160 --> 04:06:32,399
>> Okay. [clears throat] The original title

5940
04:06:32,399 --> 04:06:36,479
15 had a much lower limit. When we go to

5941
04:06:36,479 --> 04:06:42,389
our municipal code of 9.32-050,

5942
04:06:42,399 --> 04:06:45,680
industrial has a daytime limit of 80 dB

5943
04:06:45,680 --> 04:06:50,640
and a nighttime decibel reading of 65.

5944
04:06:50,640 --> 04:06:53,600
>> Do we want it that high?

5945
04:06:53,600 --> 04:06:53,920
>> We

5946
04:06:53,920 --> 04:06:58,160
>> So yeah, the next sentence continuing on

5947
04:06:58,160 --> 04:06:59,520
it says the most restrictive limit

5948
04:06:59,520 --> 04:07:02,560
applies. um they will always be subject

5949
04:07:02,560 --> 04:07:08,960
to that law and so at a house it's 55

5950
04:07:08,960 --> 04:07:11,120
at at any residential property it's 55

5951
04:07:11,120 --> 04:07:14,399
and I think you guys um

5952
04:07:14,399 --> 04:07:16,560
>> so you're saying because it's in the

5953
04:07:16,560 --> 04:07:19,439
code with the noise limit on site it

5954
04:07:19,439 --> 04:07:21,760
could get up to 80 because it's in the

5955
04:07:21,760 --> 04:07:22,160
code

5956
04:07:22,160 --> 04:07:26,790
>> right and then

5957
04:07:26,800 --> 04:07:29,199
» but boundary it would have to be at that

5958
04:07:29,199 --> 04:07:31,279
residential level because it's

5959
04:07:31,279 --> 04:07:32,000
residential.

5960
04:07:32,000 --> 04:07:33,040
>> Say that again, Von. I couldn't hear

5961
04:07:33,040 --> 04:07:33,520
you.

5962
04:07:33,520 --> 04:07:34,479
>> You whisper.

5963
04:07:34,479 --> 04:07:36,399
>> I'm really sorry. I got to get closer.

5964
04:07:36,399 --> 04:07:38,080
Yeah, they could be that high on-site on

5965
04:07:38,080 --> 04:07:39,840
their industrial property, but at the

5966
04:07:39,840 --> 04:07:42,000
boundary of the residential zone, they

5967
04:07:42,000 --> 04:07:43,279
would have to be at the residential

5968
04:07:43,279 --> 04:07:43,760
level.

5969
04:07:43,760 --> 04:07:44,720
>> Gotcha.

5970
04:07:44,720 --> 04:07:46,399
>> And in fairness to any applicant, I

5971
04:07:46,399 --> 04:07:47,600
think they need to have the ability to

5972
04:07:47,600 --> 04:07:50,080
operate within their industrial

5973
04:07:50,080 --> 04:07:52,319
standard, right? If it was a trucking,

5974
04:07:52,319 --> 04:07:57,040
if it was the trans uh

5975
04:07:57,040 --> 04:07:58,640
>> distribution center, Yeah. uh I mean

5976
04:07:58,640 --> 04:08:00,479
they they would be operating with that

5977
04:08:00,479 --> 04:08:03,520
uh within that limit as well. So I think

5978
04:08:03,520 --> 04:08:05,439
I and I think context matters to this

5979
04:08:05,439 --> 04:08:07,199
because I wouldn't know before studying

5980
04:08:07,199 --> 04:08:10,239
this issue what 85 and 55 and if how big

5981
04:08:10,239 --> 04:08:12,720
that difference is you know

5982
04:08:12,720 --> 04:08:13,120
>> huge

5983
04:08:13,120 --> 04:08:14,479
>> but

5984
04:08:14,479 --> 04:08:17,279
>> well 85

5985
04:08:17,279 --> 04:08:19,600
you should know like I think 85 was

5986
04:08:19,600 --> 04:08:22,000
being measured while we were by some

5987
04:08:22,000 --> 04:08:24,160
pretty big fans up at that other data

5988
04:08:24,160 --> 04:08:26,399
center. you could talk. It didn't

5989
04:08:26,399 --> 04:08:28,800
require hear headphones or anything.

5990
04:08:28,800 --> 04:08:31,920
You're you're talking and you're hearing

5991
04:08:31,920 --> 04:08:35,600
each other. And uh I think when it

5992
04:08:35,600 --> 04:08:37,920
pulled up on now I've downloaded the

5993
04:08:37,920 --> 04:08:42,160
decibel app, it says uh street

5994
04:08:42,160 --> 04:08:46,080
uh 85 dB is street uh talking or street

5995
04:08:46,080 --> 04:08:48,319
walking like uh like a busy street that

5996
04:08:48,319 --> 04:08:51,120
you're walking down. So just for context

5997
04:08:51,120 --> 04:08:54,800
purposes, that's what 85 dB was up

5998
04:08:54,800 --> 04:08:56,880
there. You could talk and hear it wasn't

5999
04:08:56,880 --> 04:08:57,439
heard.

6000
04:08:57,439 --> 04:08:58,880
>> Lawnmowers 85.

6001
04:08:58,880 --> 04:08:59,439
>> So it is.

6002
04:08:59,439 --> 04:08:59,760
>> Yeah.

6003
04:08:59,760 --> 04:09:00,160
>> Okay.

6004
04:09:00,160 --> 04:09:01,680
>> Yeah. And I I wouldn't disagree with

6005
04:09:01,680 --> 04:09:04,160
you. I think that one at least partially

6006
04:09:04,160 --> 04:09:06,239
I should say um because that same night

6007
04:09:06,239 --> 04:09:08,720
when I went to to Nova, I had downloaded

6008
04:09:08,720 --> 04:09:11,680
the same app as everyone else and and

6009
04:09:11,680 --> 04:09:13,279
tried to see what that was. And I was in

6010
04:09:13,279 --> 04:09:15,600
my backyard that night um and a train

6011
04:09:15,600 --> 04:09:17,359
went by and I don't live too far from

6012
04:09:17,359 --> 04:09:19,120
the train in Highway 6. And so that's a

6013
04:09:19,120 --> 04:09:22,000
consistent uh not consistent, it's an up

6014
04:09:22,000 --> 04:09:25,439
and down. And it was 55 in my backyard

6015
04:09:25,439 --> 04:09:27,920
when the train goes by. What I think is

6016
04:09:27,920 --> 04:09:30,880
one of the things that's hard for us to

6017
04:09:30,880 --> 04:09:34,479
equate in this ordinance is consistent

6018
04:09:34,479 --> 04:09:37,199
noise because if we're saying it's 55 at

6019
04:09:37,199 --> 04:09:39,279
a residential

6020
04:09:39,279 --> 04:09:41,040
uh the residential boundary

6021
04:09:41,040 --> 04:09:43,120
consistently, they're going to notice

6022
04:09:43,120 --> 04:09:45,359
that like and so I know that there's

6023
04:09:45,359 --> 04:09:46,319
some protection.

6024
04:09:46,319 --> 04:09:49,439
>> Yeah. 55 quiet office normal normal

6025
04:09:49,439 --> 04:09:51,040
conversation heard from several feet

6026
04:09:51,040 --> 04:09:51,600
away

6027
04:09:51,600 --> 04:09:52,239
>> right

6028
04:09:52,239 --> 04:09:54,399
>> so light background noise so it's

6029
04:09:54,399 --> 04:09:57,040
something that yeah you probably will

6030
04:09:57,040 --> 04:09:58,560
>> probably will hear I don't know if it's

6031
04:09:58,560 --> 04:10:00,640
a hum I wouldn't describe it as a hum

6032
04:10:00,640 --> 04:10:02,720
>> Jeff your with your initial studies of

6033
04:10:02,720 --> 04:10:04,160
the site

6034
04:10:04,160 --> 04:10:07,600
>> what's the what's the uh sound that's

6035
04:10:07,600 --> 04:10:09,359
coming from the highway in this area

6036
04:10:09,359 --> 04:10:10,800
what is that the ambient today

6037
04:10:10,800 --> 04:10:12,720
>> initial study already had you know on

6038
04:10:12,720 --> 04:10:16,960
property at the border of the property

6039
04:10:16,960 --> 04:10:19,199
um you're

6040
04:10:19,199 --> 04:10:22,880
in the mid50s

6041
04:10:22,880 --> 04:10:23,680
anyway.

6042
04:10:23,680 --> 04:10:26,880
>> Yeah, mid-50s. And so typically ambient

6043
04:10:26,880 --> 04:10:29,120
at, you know, in somebody's yard or

6044
04:10:29,120 --> 04:10:30,960
backyard, especially in this area when

6045
04:10:30,960 --> 04:10:33,359
you have the highway, when you have

6046
04:10:33,359 --> 04:10:36,319
existing ambient noise, you know, it's

6047
04:10:36,319 --> 04:10:39,120
pretty much consistently sitting in the

6048
04:10:39,120 --> 04:10:44,560
50 to 60 dB as is. If we have sound that

6049
04:10:44,560 --> 04:10:48,399
comes across at a certain time at 50 55

6050
04:10:48,399 --> 04:10:51,359
dB, it's it's not going to increase

6051
04:10:51,359 --> 04:10:54,880
sound. It's it's going to blend.

6052
04:10:54,880 --> 04:10:57,680
>> So, what I like about

6053
04:10:57,680 --> 04:11:00,080
this issue is probably my number one

6054
04:11:00,080 --> 04:11:02,800
concern and has been based on resident

6055
04:11:02,800 --> 04:11:05,040
input and emails that we've received. I

6056
04:11:05,040 --> 04:11:06,720
don't know about each of you, but

6057
04:11:06,720 --> 04:11:09,439
>> Yep. What I like about this compared to

6058
04:11:09,439 --> 04:11:12,800
the the air the air quality this is

6059
04:11:12,800 --> 04:11:14,399
something that we actually do have

6060
04:11:14,399 --> 04:11:16,720
control over as a city and measuring and

6061
04:11:16,720 --> 04:11:19,040
that we could hire somebody to come and

6062
04:11:19,040 --> 04:11:20,640
do sound analysis.

6063
04:11:20,640 --> 04:11:23,520
>> The other the other element about sound

6064
04:11:23,520 --> 04:11:29,199
which is um a good thing is that there

6065
04:11:29,199 --> 04:11:33,040
are a lot of things that we can then add

6066
04:11:33,040 --> 04:11:35,359
to the property. So if it turns out that

6067
04:11:35,359 --> 04:11:37,439
we're running five dB higher than we

6068
04:11:37,439 --> 04:11:39,760
thought at the fence line and then

6069
04:11:39,760 --> 04:11:43,359
that's moving sound into we we can we

6070
04:11:43,359 --> 04:11:46,560
can increase you know a a burm we can

6071
04:11:46,560 --> 04:11:49,600
put coverings actually that they make

6072
04:11:49,600 --> 04:11:52,479
right now over certain equipment. The

6073
04:11:52,479 --> 04:11:54,720
loudest is the is the cooling. Remember

6074
04:11:54,720 --> 04:11:56,239
what's unique about us is that our

6075
04:11:56,239 --> 04:11:58,479
cooling is indoors.

6076
04:11:58,479 --> 04:12:00,160
So anyway, my point is that there are

6077
04:12:00,160 --> 04:12:02,640
several things that we can engineer in

6078
04:12:02,640 --> 04:12:05,120
it just, you know, we don't do it right

6079
04:12:05,120 --> 04:12:07,040
out of the gate because we really

6080
04:12:07,040 --> 04:12:08,560
believe we're going to be within the

6081
04:12:08,560 --> 04:12:11,840
range. So that's a big expense to add.

6082
04:12:11,840 --> 04:12:13,760
But if ultimately push comes to shove,

6083
04:12:13,760 --> 04:12:17,040
we have to add barrier, we can,

6084
04:12:17,040 --> 04:12:19,040
>> which based on our code, you would have

6085
04:12:19,040 --> 04:12:22,000
to. If if it turns out that you're

6086
04:12:22,000 --> 04:12:25,359
exceeding what the code states, then

6087
04:12:25,359 --> 04:12:26,880
yeah, you're going to fall under

6088
04:12:26,880 --> 04:12:29,359
requirements to to make adjustments.

6089
04:12:29,359 --> 04:12:32,479
>> Yes. So, we we'll be able to

6090
04:12:32,479 --> 04:12:34,080
>> we'll be able to solve for that. Well,

6091
04:12:34,080 --> 04:12:35,600
>> yeah. I think we're not talking just

6092
04:12:35,600 --> 04:12:37,199
about DVA. I think we're talking about

6093
04:12:37,199 --> 04:12:39,199
vibration. I think it's all covered in

6094
04:12:39,199 --> 04:12:40,800
our code. So,

6095
04:12:40,800 --> 04:12:41,920
>> you think residents are going to want to

6096
04:12:41,920 --> 04:12:44,800
know like how fast would that be fixed?

6097
04:12:44,800 --> 04:12:46,319
Let's say something's reported, you go

6098
04:12:46,319 --> 04:12:49,199
out, test it. How fast could our

6099
04:12:49,199 --> 04:12:51,279
residents expect to have a fixed design?

6100
04:12:51,279 --> 04:12:54,000
>> Just 24 hours fast enough. Just kidding.

6101
04:12:54,000 --> 04:12:56,160
>> No. Yes. Uh I don't

6102
04:12:56,160 --> 04:12:57,840
>> went like this.

6103
04:12:57,840 --> 04:13:00,560
>> Yeah. I think um

6104
04:13:00,560 --> 04:13:02,399
>> I mean I don't know the answer to it,

6105
04:13:02,399 --> 04:13:05,840
CC, but I do think I 30 to 60 days out

6106
04:13:05,840 --> 04:13:07,199
of depends what they have to build.

6107
04:13:07,199 --> 04:13:10,319
>> Well, like for example, probably the the

6108
04:13:10,319 --> 04:13:13,600
development agreement how long

6109
04:13:13,600 --> 04:13:16,080
>> Oh yeah, though. Okay. See, this is why

6110
04:13:16,080 --> 04:13:18,080
we don't just rely on me. we have cure

6111
04:13:18,080 --> 04:13:22,080
period. So if we're in we're out of uh

6112
04:13:22,080 --> 04:13:25,199
code, we'll have and it's cited, we'll

6113
04:13:25,199 --> 04:13:28,080
have a period of time to cure that. Um

6114
04:13:28,080 --> 04:13:32,000
but I think we won't have an issue with

6115
04:13:32,000 --> 04:13:35,520
if there's something obvious happening.

6116
04:13:35,520 --> 04:13:37,760
We don't need to wait to be cited. You

6117
04:13:37,760 --> 04:13:40,720
know, if we know that, man, this is five

6118
04:13:40,720 --> 04:13:44,080
decibb higher like consistently, then

6119
04:13:44,080 --> 04:13:46,560
we'll we'll pull in engineering and

6120
04:13:46,560 --> 04:13:47,920
we'll start to look at what do we need

6121
04:13:47,920 --> 04:13:49,600
to do and how long does it take to get

6122
04:13:49,600 --> 04:13:51,040
that equipment on site. One I was just

6123
04:13:51,040 --> 04:13:52,479
going to say one of the things that can

6124
04:13:52,479 --> 04:13:54,800
potentially delay solving for this

6125
04:13:54,800 --> 04:13:56,399
sometimes is just how long does it take

6126
04:13:56,399 --> 04:13:59,120
to get the equipment to us or if we have

6127
04:13:59,120 --> 04:14:01,520
to have something custom fabricated to

6128
04:14:01,520 --> 04:14:07,359
maybe go over something, you know, that could take some time. But, uh, if

6129
04:14:07,359 --> 04:14:09,279
we see something's really out of whack,

6130
04:14:09,279 --> 04:14:11,439
we will proactively work on that. We're

6131
04:14:11,439 --> 04:14:14,479
not going to wait for a citation.

6132
04:14:14,479 --> 04:14:17,040
>> So, so go ahead.

6133
04:14:17,040 --> 04:14:18,159
>> While you're here,

6134
04:14:18,159 --> 04:14:19,680
>> I think you're the one that told me, but

6135
04:14:19,680 --> 04:14:21,359
you said like sound doesn't build on

6136
04:14:21,359 --> 04:14:23,520
each other. For example, if Highway 6 is

6137
04:14:23,520 --> 04:14:26,000
at 40 dB and and [clears throat] the

6138
04:14:26,000 --> 04:14:28,239
data center is at 55 and then a train

6139
04:14:28,239 --> 04:14:31,359
goes by, they're not building on top.

6140
04:14:31,359 --> 04:14:32,399
They're

6141
04:14:32,399 --> 04:14:34,479
>> going into one another. And that helped

6142
04:14:34,479 --> 04:14:35,840
me understand

6143
04:14:35,840 --> 04:14:37,920
>> all this because this is all new to me.

6144
04:14:37,920 --> 04:14:40,000
>> Yeah. I think the an yeah the analogy I

6145
04:14:40,000 --> 04:14:41,840
think the easy way to think about it is

6146
04:14:41,840 --> 04:14:44,800
if we have boiling water

6147
04:14:44,800 --> 04:14:49,040
and we have you know 70°ree water you

6148
04:14:49,040 --> 04:14:51,439
blend those you're going to get lower

6149
04:14:51,439 --> 04:14:55,680
than boiling. If we have um sound that

6150
04:14:55,680 --> 04:14:59,040
comes through at 65 dB and is meeting 55

6151
04:14:59,040 --> 04:15:00,960
dB you're going to be somewhere south of

6152
04:15:00,960 --> 04:15:02,960
65 dB.

6153
04:15:02,960 --> 04:15:05,120
Um, but they certainly don't turn into

6154
04:15:05,120 --> 04:15:06,560
110 dB.

6155
04:15:06,560 --> 04:15:06,800
>> Okay.

6156
04:15:06,800 --> 04:15:07,760
>> Yeah. Thank you.

6157
04:15:07,760 --> 04:15:12,790
>> Y

6158
04:15:12,800 --> 04:15:14,399
» No, I think we're good.

6159
04:15:14,399 --> 04:15:18,479
>> Third paragraph. Um, the applicant shall

6160
04:15:18,479 --> 04:15:21,040
submit acoustic analysis prepared by an

6161
04:15:21,040 --> 04:15:24,399
independent qualified professional.

6162
04:15:24,399 --> 04:15:25,199
>> I like that.

6163
04:15:25,199 --> 04:15:26,479
>> Okay.

6164
04:15:26,479 --> 04:15:28,239
>> So,

6165
04:15:28,239 --> 04:15:30,000
walk me through this a little bit. You

6166
04:15:30,000 --> 04:15:33,120
have a model done that is

6167
04:15:33,120 --> 04:15:35,199
preconstruction

6168
04:15:35,199 --> 04:15:40,159
and it says we think the decibb the um

6169
04:15:40,159 --> 04:15:43,680
tonal frequency is going to be x y and z

6170
04:15:43,680 --> 04:15:46,399
from the site moving out

6171
04:15:46,399 --> 04:15:50,800
then we use that as the measuring stick

6172
04:15:50,800 --> 04:15:53,359
for future noise analysis is that how

6173
04:15:53,359 --> 04:15:57,910
this is written

6174
04:15:57,920 --> 04:16:06,389
just like this.

6175
04:16:06,399 --> 04:16:08,319
» Yeah, there we go. Off the bench. Um,

6176
04:16:08,319 --> 04:16:09,760
okay. So, the

6177
04:16:09,760 --> 04:16:10,560
>> Did he tap you?

6178
04:16:10,560 --> 04:16:11,120
>> Yeah, he did.

6179
04:16:11,120 --> 04:16:11,760
>> All right. Okay.

6180
04:16:11,760 --> 04:16:14,960
>> Um, the the modeling will be done before

6181
04:16:14,960 --> 04:16:16,960
we do construction. And so, that will

6182
04:16:16,960 --> 04:16:19,199
establish where the the engineering

6183
04:16:19,199 --> 04:16:21,279
parameters, mitigations that we'll put

6184
04:16:21,279 --> 04:16:23,920
in place so that we meet the city code.

6185
04:16:23,920 --> 04:16:25,920
>> And then from there, we'll do testing to

6186
04:16:25,920 --> 04:16:28,640
verify that that's working. So the

6187
04:16:28,640 --> 04:16:30,399
testing won't be to the model, the

6188
04:16:30,399 --> 04:16:32,399
testing will be to the code. Okay?

6189
04:16:32,399 --> 04:16:35,600
>> And so as long as we meet the code, we

6190
04:16:35,600 --> 04:16:38,319
stay in compliance. And if there's

6191
04:16:38,319 --> 04:16:40,239
something that we find that's out of the

6192
04:16:40,239 --> 04:16:42,159
code, then we'll need to to find

6193
04:16:42,159 --> 04:16:43,920
additional mitigations to make that.

6194
04:16:43,920 --> 04:16:46,479
>> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that. So the

6195
04:16:46,479 --> 04:16:48,560
only number we have in the code is the

6196
04:16:48,560 --> 04:16:49,359
decibb.

6197
04:16:49,359 --> 04:16:51,359
>> Correct.

6198
04:16:51,359 --> 04:16:53,279
>> What the concern we've heard

6199
04:16:53,279 --> 04:16:54,080
>> Yeah.

6200
04:16:54,080 --> 04:16:57,920
>> is low frequency. um the tonal sound and

6201
04:16:57,920 --> 04:17:00,960
other things that we don't have a number

6202
04:17:00,960 --> 04:17:04,710
in the code for.

6203
04:17:04,720 --> 04:17:07,120
How do we I feel like I just ate that

6204
04:17:07,120 --> 04:17:08,720
mic.

6205
04:17:08,720 --> 04:17:09,279
>> There we go.

6206
04:17:09,279 --> 04:17:12,319
>> Ryan Bazelli. Uh you'll see right there

6207
04:17:12,319 --> 04:17:16,560
um it says the owner shall conduct sound

6208
04:17:16,560 --> 04:17:18,640
verification testing required by the

6209
04:17:18,640 --> 04:17:20,960
city demonstrating that sound sources

6210
04:17:20,960 --> 04:17:23,680
and predicted sound levels identified in

6211
04:17:23,680 --> 04:17:26,800
the acoustic analysis including tonal

6212
04:17:26,800 --> 04:17:30,319
sound and low frequency sound are not

6213
04:17:30,319 --> 04:17:33,199
exceeded at the property line nearest

6214
04:17:33,199 --> 04:17:35,920
residential boundary boundary nearest

6215
04:17:35,920 --> 04:17:38,800
existing residence or other sensitive

6216
04:17:38,800 --> 04:17:42,560
receptors. So, we're covering that that

6217
04:17:42,560 --> 04:17:48,239
analysis uh conducted at the uh at the

6218
04:17:48,239 --> 04:17:51,680
site plan approval is in accordance to

6219
04:17:51,680 --> 04:17:53,359
reality.

6220
04:17:53,359 --> 04:17:54,960
>> So, there's no number. They're saying if

6221
04:17:54,960 --> 04:17:57,199
it exists.

6222
04:17:57,199 --> 04:17:57,600
>> So,

6223
04:17:57,600 --> 04:17:58,399
>> it's a problem.

6224
04:17:58,399 --> 04:18:01,120
>> So, yeah. So if we

6225
04:18:01,120 --> 04:18:04,159
when you when this is approved at the

6226
04:18:04,159 --> 04:18:07,840
site plan with that tonal and acou that

6227
04:18:07,840 --> 04:18:10,800
acoustical analysis that includes the

6228
04:18:10,800 --> 04:18:14,159
tonal sound and low frequency

6229
04:18:14,159 --> 04:18:17,520
and that is not met in real

6230
04:18:17,520 --> 04:18:24,640
>> which is established by the model the model uh then we need to address

6231
04:18:24,640 --> 04:18:27,680
that. So, just back a second ago, John

6232
04:18:27,680 --> 04:18:30,319
said, "No, that wasn't the case." But

6233
04:18:30,319 --> 04:18:32,800
you just said that is the case. It reads

6234
04:18:32,800 --> 04:18:34,880
to me like you do this model.

6235
04:18:34,880 --> 04:18:35,279
>> Yeah.

6236
04:18:35,279 --> 04:18:37,279
>> You measure it in the field and we hold

6237
04:18:37,279 --> 04:18:38,319
you accountable to it.

6238
04:18:38,319 --> 04:18:40,720
>> Yeah. When it talk about the

6239
04:18:40,720 --> 04:18:41,840
>> I love when the attorney puts his

6240
04:18:41,840 --> 04:18:43,439
glasses on. I love that part.

6241
04:18:43,439 --> 04:18:46,000
>> When we talk about the tonal because

6242
04:18:46,000 --> 04:18:48,159
this was this wasn't addressed in your

6243
04:18:48,159 --> 04:18:49,920
current noise ordinance, correct?

6244
04:18:49,920 --> 04:18:52,880
Because you just talk about DBA. So we

6245
04:18:52,880 --> 04:18:55,600
went further and said okay the predict

6246
04:18:55,600 --> 04:18:58,720
DBA is DBA in your ordinance and that

6247
04:18:58,720 --> 04:19:02,319
will be uh enforced. This also is to

6248
04:19:02,319 --> 04:19:04,479
show that we are in compliance with the

6249
04:19:04,479 --> 04:19:05,680
model

6250
04:19:05,680 --> 04:19:08,960
>> at the tonal level. Okay.

6251
04:19:08,960 --> 04:19:11,600
>> And all levels of sound, right? Tonal,

6252
04:19:11,600 --> 04:19:13,439
low frequency, high frequency, high

6253
04:19:13,439 --> 04:19:14,080
frequency,

6254
04:19:14,080 --> 04:19:14,800
>> all of them.

6255
04:19:14,800 --> 04:19:17,199
>> Correct. So yeah, and these acoustic

6256
04:19:17,199 --> 04:19:21,680
models are are super super accurate.

6257
04:19:21,680 --> 04:19:24,640
I mean, we'll get to heat. The heat is

6258
04:19:24,640 --> 04:19:26,239
also

6259
04:19:26,239 --> 04:19:27,840
um

6260
04:19:27,840 --> 04:19:28,880
very well modeled.

6261
04:19:28,880 --> 04:19:30,399
>> And to Shane's point, this would be

6262
04:19:30,399 --> 04:19:32,080
somebody that's independent that does

6263
04:19:32,080 --> 04:19:33,279
this study. It's not

6264
04:19:33,279 --> 04:19:34,880
>> the first study, but not the second one,

6265
04:19:34,880 --> 04:19:36,640
right?

6266
04:19:36,640 --> 04:19:38,399
>> The second study is measurements in the

6267
04:19:38,399 --> 04:19:38,800
field,

6268
04:19:38,800 --> 04:19:40,800
>> but the city, we could hire anybody.

6269
04:19:40,800 --> 04:19:42,000
>> We could hire anybody to verify.

6270
04:19:42,000 --> 04:19:43,520
>> We can hire anybody. They they have to

6271
04:19:43,520 --> 04:19:45,439
do their studies. And I sometimes we

6272
04:19:45,439 --> 04:19:47,920
might do like we've done with certain

6273
04:19:47,920 --> 04:19:50,399
engineering issues in in a development.

6274
04:19:50,399 --> 04:19:52,640
if it's a traffic study or if it's a a

6275
04:19:52,640 --> 04:19:55,760
hillside issue, we they may submit a a

6276
04:19:55,760 --> 04:19:57,920
report and we'll hire our own sound

6277
04:19:57,920 --> 04:20:00,960
engineer or our own whatever to verify

6278
04:20:00,960 --> 04:20:04,399
um and and look at the details. So, we have the flexibility to do that.

6279
04:20:04,399 --> 04:20:06,000
>> And we have we have dealt with this in

6280
04:20:06,000 --> 04:20:08,080
the city already. We've we've had issues

6281
04:20:08,080 --> 04:20:10,560
with sound in certain places. We've

6282
04:20:10,560 --> 04:20:12,560
reached out to the business and they've

6283
04:20:12,560 --> 04:20:14,159
worked worked with the city and the

6284
04:20:14,159 --> 04:20:16,479
residents to try and try and resolve it.

6285
04:20:16,479 --> 04:20:16,880
Right.

6286
04:20:16,880 --> 04:20:18,960
>> Because we didn't have anything to

6287
04:20:18,960 --> 04:20:20,800
Exactly.

6288
04:20:20,800 --> 04:20:23,040
Yeah. And that's a good point that we we

6289
04:20:23,040 --> 04:20:25,199
didn't have it to hold it accountable

6290
04:20:25,199 --> 04:20:29,040
and now we are in in this.

6291
04:20:29,040 --> 04:20:29,760
>> It's a good point.

6292
04:20:29,760 --> 04:20:32,159
>> Yep.

6293
04:20:32,159 --> 04:20:35,359
>> Okay. Uh I think groundborn vibration is

6294
04:20:35,359 --> 04:20:37,920
talking about that same sound ordinance

6295
04:20:37,920 --> 04:20:39,439
heat

6296
04:20:39,439 --> 04:20:43,199
uh and thermal effects. Um again

6297
04:20:43,199 --> 04:20:43,920
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa.

6298
04:20:43,920 --> 04:20:45,359
>> Go back up.

6299
04:20:45,359 --> 04:20:46,560
>> Jack, don't get too excited.

6300
04:20:46,560 --> 04:20:48,239
>> Come on, Jack. What the

6301
04:20:48,239 --> 04:20:49,520
>> Yeah, sorry. Well, they're both on the

6302
04:20:49,520 --> 04:20:54,550
page now.

6303
04:20:54,560 --> 04:20:55,920
» Probably just add independent

6304
04:20:55,920 --> 04:20:56,239
throughout.

6305
04:20:56,239 --> 04:20:58,640
>> You want independent on on that number

6306
04:20:58,640 --> 04:21:01,040
10 too there, Shane? Analysis prepared

6307
04:21:01,040 --> 04:21:02,560
by an independent qualified

6308
04:21:02,560 --> 04:21:02,960
professional.

6309
04:21:02,960 --> 04:21:03,600
>> Yes, I do.

6310
04:21:03,600 --> 04:21:04,239
>> Independent.

6311
04:21:04,239 --> 04:21:07,910
>> Thank you.

6312
04:21:07,920 --> 04:21:08,479
» Got it.

6313
04:21:08,479 --> 04:21:11,920
>> Yeah, for sure. if you make sense.

6314
04:21:11,920 --> 04:21:15,910
>> I mean, these are all

6315
04:21:15,920 --> 04:21:18,159
» the noise and ground vibration are

6316
04:21:18,159 --> 04:21:20,319
pretty measurable after the fact. So,

6317
04:21:20,319 --> 04:21:21,680
>> yeah, that's what's great about this one

6318
04:21:21,680 --> 04:21:23,359
is these are

6319
04:21:23,359 --> 04:21:25,040
>> Yeah,

6320
04:21:25,040 --> 04:21:27,680
do this for a living can tell you

6321
04:21:27,680 --> 04:21:28,720
>> if it's good or not.

6322
04:21:28,720 --> 04:21:30,239
>> And I I think this is an important part

6323
04:21:30,239 --> 04:21:33,680
to where we again an on-site visit was

6324
04:21:33,680 --> 04:21:36,159
important to feel some heat. Um, it was

6325
04:21:36,159 --> 04:21:38,080
100° I think the day I was up there. I

6326
04:21:38,080 --> 04:21:39,359
don't know about you guys. Was that what

6327
04:21:39,359 --> 04:21:40,960
it was? It was hot. It was one of those

6328
04:21:40,960 --> 04:21:44,399
summer days, but you could feel some

6329
04:21:44,399 --> 04:21:47,920
heat that the wind was blowing through,

6330
04:21:47,920 --> 04:21:49,439
right? And then you stood away and you

6331
04:21:49,439 --> 04:21:51,680
couldn't feel that feel that heat. So,

6332
04:21:51,680 --> 04:21:53,120
it it is

6333
04:21:53,120 --> 04:21:58,960
>> it is a proximity thing. But still, your your elected officials were up

6334
04:21:58,960 --> 04:22:01,359
there to to fill it for ourselves and

6335
04:22:01,359 --> 04:22:05,040
get an idea. Um, it was a point where

6336
04:22:05,040 --> 04:22:10,560
you where we asked uh I think the the guy

6337
04:22:10,560 --> 04:22:12,720
that operates the place, maybe the CEO,

6338
04:22:12,720 --> 04:22:16,479
whatever his label is, but uh um hey,

6339
04:22:16,479 --> 04:22:19,279
how do you you know what does happen to

6340
04:22:19,279 --> 04:22:21,120
the heat? If something's producing heat,

6341
04:22:21,120 --> 04:22:23,760
where does it go? He had a one word

6342
04:22:23,760 --> 04:22:25,680
response to us. Physics, you know,

6343
04:22:25,680 --> 04:22:29,760
physics is what happens to the heat. Um,

6344
04:22:29,760 --> 04:22:31,600
I think this is an important aspect of

6345
04:22:31,600 --> 04:22:33,920
it that this is at the mouth of the

6346
04:22:33,920 --> 04:22:36,159
canyon where the wind blows and it blows

6347
04:22:36,159 --> 04:22:37,920
up the canyon sometimes and down the

6348
04:22:37,920 --> 04:22:41,439
canyon most the time. And uh and so this

6349
04:22:41,439 --> 04:22:46,080
is an important aspect to where uh

6350
04:22:46,080 --> 04:22:48,640
it's it's really soon to be cold up

6351
04:22:48,640 --> 04:22:52,080
there all the time anyway. But um but

6352
04:22:52,080 --> 04:22:55,040
the heat uh is something that should be

6353
04:22:55,040 --> 04:22:57,199
measured. I think uh I think an

6354
04:22:57,199 --> 04:22:59,040
important independent part of it that

6355
04:22:59,040 --> 04:23:00,880
weather station measuring heat too and

6356
04:23:00,880 --> 04:23:03,840
see if see if there you know how hot it

6357
04:23:03,840 --> 04:23:07,279
is on the on the uh property line's

6358
04:23:07,279 --> 04:23:09,359
important too. I think that's a good

6359
04:23:09,359 --> 04:23:10,720
some good questions coming from

6360
04:23:10,720 --> 04:23:12,399
residents to to get to a point like

6361
04:23:12,399 --> 04:23:14,239
that. on the third paragraph of heat and

6362
04:23:14,239 --> 04:23:16,960
thermal effects the city I would I would

6363
04:23:16,960 --> 04:23:18,479
propose that we have shell there if it's

6364
04:23:18,479 --> 04:23:20,800
not already supposed to be there just

6365
04:23:20,800 --> 04:23:22,319
because this is talking about where

6366
04:23:22,319 --> 04:23:25,520
we're going to place equipment that is

6367
04:23:25,520 --> 04:23:27,760
producing this heat

6368
04:23:27,760 --> 04:23:30,080
>> it may because we don't know what those

6369
04:23:30,080 --> 04:23:32,640
things will be like it later on the

6370
04:23:32,640 --> 04:23:34,560
sentence it says other measures

6371
04:23:34,560 --> 04:23:37,359
reasonably necessary to address

6372
04:23:37,359 --> 04:23:40,560
but I don't I don't know what to impose

6373
04:23:40,560 --> 04:23:49,189
at this

6374
04:23:49,199 --> 04:23:52,880
There is a section later coming up. I

6375
04:23:52,880 --> 04:23:54,239
definitely agree it may should be a

6376
04:23:54,239 --> 04:23:57,040
shallow

6377
04:23:57,040 --> 04:23:59,199
and

6378
04:23:59,199 --> 04:24:01,040
may require financial assurance for

6379
04:24:01,040 --> 04:24:03,199
decommissioning. I think that should be

6380
04:24:03,199 --> 04:24:06,790
shall.

6381
04:24:06,800 --> 04:24:08,800
The reason why I would say shall here is

6382
04:24:08,800 --> 04:24:09,840
just because we're talking about the

6383
04:24:09,840 --> 04:24:11,760
development agreement conditions. So

6384
04:24:11,760 --> 04:24:14,319
this is going to dictate whether or not

6385
04:24:14,319 --> 04:24:16,080
at least the way I read it I guess is

6386
04:24:16,080 --> 04:24:17,920
and I'm not a lawyer so von you can

6387
04:24:17,920 --> 04:24:20,640
always correct me please but the

6388
04:24:20,640 --> 04:24:21,680
development agreement conditions

6389
04:24:21,680 --> 04:24:23,600
addressing equipment location and then

6390
04:24:23,600 --> 04:24:25,920
screening cooling design. Obviously,

6391
04:24:25,920 --> 04:24:27,040
like you said, we aren't going to know

6392
04:24:27,040 --> 04:24:28,800
that until we see the site plan, but I

6393
04:24:28,800 --> 04:24:30,159
think that it's probably important that

6394
04:24:30,159 --> 04:24:32,000
we have that listed that we're going to

6395
04:24:32,000 --> 04:24:33,760
probably implement where we think that

6396
04:24:33,760 --> 04:24:36,239
those need to be because oftent times

6397
04:24:36,239 --> 04:24:39,040
with developments, we're

6398
04:24:39,040 --> 04:24:41,439
given a site plan and the reasons why we

6399
04:24:41,439 --> 04:24:44,479
can't do things a certain way.

6400
04:24:44,479 --> 04:24:50,389
What if the second May with Shia?

6401
04:24:50,399 --> 04:24:52,560
What we're worried about is the ongoing

6402
04:24:52,560 --> 04:24:55,680
monitoring and that we will do that

6403
04:24:55,680 --> 04:24:56,000
>> correct

6404
04:24:56,000 --> 04:24:58,000
>> or they will be a condition. The

6405
04:24:58,000 --> 04:24:59,120
location

6406
04:24:59,120 --> 04:25:00,399
>> Yeah.

6407
04:25:00,399 --> 04:25:01,520
>> is it can be made.

6408
04:25:01,520 --> 04:25:03,439
>> Yeah. They got to do that. Yeah. Yeah.

6409
04:25:03,439 --> 04:25:05,040
So you're talking about where it says

6410
04:25:05,040 --> 04:25:06,399
these conditions

6411
04:25:06,399 --> 04:25:08,239
>> shall include.

6412
04:25:08,239 --> 04:25:09,439
>> What about that von?

6413
04:25:09,439 --> 04:25:11,760
>> Okay.

6414
04:25:11,760 --> 04:25:14,479
>> Yeah. Let's do that Jesse. Does that

6415
04:25:14,479 --> 04:25:14,720
help?

6416
04:25:14,720 --> 04:25:15,520
>> I think that makes sense.

6417
04:25:15,520 --> 04:25:16,880
>> I think that's a good point because

6418
04:25:16,880 --> 04:25:18,720
that's the ongoing things that we're

6419
04:25:18,720 --> 04:25:23,233
talking about. be consistent with.

6420
04:25:23,233 --> 04:25:24,800
[clears throat]

6421
04:25:24,800 --> 04:25:28,000
>> So last sentence,

6422
04:25:28,000 --> 04:25:30,239
these conditions shall include ongoing

6423
04:25:30,239 --> 04:25:32,399
monitoring. That's

6424
04:25:32,399 --> 04:25:33,840
>> Got it.

6425
04:25:33,840 --> 04:25:35,680
>> Kevin, to your point earlier about

6426
04:25:35,680 --> 04:25:37,279
noise, and I don't want to belabor this

6427
04:25:37,279 --> 04:25:39,359
one, but you're right. We had a ton of

6428
04:25:39,359 --> 04:25:41,520
feedback, tons of concerns about not

6429
04:25:41,520 --> 04:25:43,359
just decibel, but the whole the whole

6430
04:25:43,359 --> 04:25:47,120
gamut of noise. Um, I think that we have

6431
04:25:47,120 --> 04:25:50,159
an email that asks like there's some

6432
04:25:50,159 --> 04:25:53,760
folks that want to do a GoFundMe thing

6433
04:25:53,760 --> 04:25:58,560
to monitor noise at their location. Um,

6434
04:25:58,560 --> 04:26:00,159
do you think we have that covered in

6435
04:26:00,159 --> 04:26:02,239
that text above?

6436
04:26:02,239 --> 04:26:04,720
>> I think the city at any point can ask

6437
04:26:04,720 --> 04:26:06,720
for

6438
04:26:06,720 --> 04:26:08,640
>> So, we we we've got

6439
04:26:08,640 --> 04:26:09,439
>> noise study.

6440
04:26:09,439 --> 04:26:12,000
>> The noise study is in place. We're gonna

6441
04:26:12,000 --> 04:26:14,800
we're going to know before we Maybe I

6442
04:26:14,800 --> 04:26:16,479
should ask that question. Will we know

6443
04:26:16,479 --> 04:26:18,080
the results of the noise study before

6444
04:26:18,080 --> 04:26:19,920
the development agreement is finalized?

6445
04:26:19,920 --> 04:26:22,560
Yes. Yes. Which is it? There's three of

6446
04:26:22,560 --> 04:26:24,239
you shaking yes and two of you shaking

6447
04:26:24,239 --> 04:26:27,990
no.

6448
04:26:28,000 --> 04:26:33,990
» I mean, you got to get on the same page.

6449
04:26:34,000 --> 04:26:36,159
» Yeah.

6450
04:26:36,159 --> 04:26:39,359
>> Right. So, I'm I'm going with the lawyer

6451
04:26:39,359 --> 04:26:41,680
on that one. No, I think he's Yeah,

6452
04:26:41,680 --> 04:26:43,279
unfortunately correct. I want to go with

6453
04:26:43,279 --> 04:26:45,359
the engineer, but

6454
04:26:45,359 --> 04:26:47,520
>> the reality is you can't finish.

6455
04:26:47,520 --> 04:26:48,479
>> The engineering is done.

6456
04:26:48,479 --> 04:26:49,760
>> That's correct.

6457
04:26:49,760 --> 04:26:52,399
>> All right. That being said,

6458
04:26:52,399 --> 04:26:53,840
>> covers you, I believe.

6459
04:26:53,840 --> 04:26:57,120
>> Yeah, I agree. I to your point, I think

6460
04:26:57,120 --> 04:26:58,800
I don't think we need the development.

6461
04:26:58,800 --> 04:27:00,880
It's in our code. It'll be in the

6462
04:27:00,880 --> 04:27:02,960
development agreement.

6463
04:27:02,960 --> 04:27:04,479
We're going to have a baseline study

6464
04:27:04,479 --> 04:27:05,840
that'll be done and then we'll have

6465
04:27:05,840 --> 04:27:08,880
continual study anytime we we ask for it

6466
04:27:08,880 --> 04:27:10,159
or done.

6467
04:27:10,159 --> 04:27:13,920
>> So what if what if now we're back on

6468
04:27:13,920 --> 04:27:15,920
noise for now it's it's it would apply

6469
04:27:15,920 --> 04:27:18,080
to heat I suppose but back on noise

6470
04:27:18,080 --> 04:27:19,120
>> all of these studies.

6471
04:27:19,120 --> 04:27:21,199
>> Yeah. So we have this model that says at

6472
04:27:21,199 --> 04:27:23,439
this receptor

6473
04:27:23,439 --> 04:27:26,080
the tonal noise is the however you

6474
04:27:26,080 --> 04:27:30,560
measure tonal frequency sound says the

6475
04:27:30,560 --> 04:27:31,279
model says X

6476
04:27:31,279 --> 04:27:34,000
>> at the baseline

6477
04:27:34,000 --> 04:27:35,760
>> I don't know if it'll be non-existent

6478
04:27:35,760 --> 04:27:36,960
you would think it would be because

6479
04:27:36,960 --> 04:27:38,000
there's nothing there now

6480
04:27:38,000 --> 04:27:39,680
>> what if there's an impact according to

6481
04:27:39,680 --> 04:27:41,600
the model

6482
04:27:41,600 --> 04:27:43,680
>> according to the model there's an impact

6483
04:27:43,680 --> 04:27:47,830
>> yep

6484
04:27:47,840 --> 04:27:52,399
» so they do the So similar to the DAQ

6485
04:27:52,399 --> 04:27:55,600
>> if for whatever reason it doesn't pass.

6486
04:27:55,600 --> 04:27:57,680
>> So there's a what is there is a there is

6487
04:27:57,680 --> 04:28:00,880
a limit there is a

6488
04:28:00,880 --> 04:28:03,279
>> tonal sound low frequency sound at a

6489
04:28:03,279 --> 04:28:05,359
receptor that that this site is

6490
04:28:05,359 --> 04:28:07,760
generating and the model shows that

6491
04:28:07,760 --> 04:28:10,399
>> then at that point even at the even at

6492
04:28:10,399 --> 04:28:12,880
the baseline model then I think we need

6493
04:28:12,880 --> 04:28:14,960
to start talking about how do we how

6494
04:28:14,960 --> 04:28:17,279
would we fix that? How would they fix

6495
04:28:17,279 --> 04:28:19,600
>> how do we cure that? after the fact.

6496
04:28:19,600 --> 04:28:21,040
>> Well, after the fact

6497
04:28:21,040 --> 04:28:22,239
>> the development agreements,

6498
04:28:22,239 --> 04:28:24,880
>> I would I would have I whoever the sound

6499
04:28:24,880 --> 04:28:26,880
engineer is, I'd say, okay, give us

6500
04:28:26,880 --> 04:28:28,880
scenarios if there's a problem.

6501
04:28:28,880 --> 04:28:31,199
>> There is I'm not I'm not arguing them

6502
04:28:31,199 --> 04:28:33,840
the engineering side of it. We can

6503
04:28:33,840 --> 04:28:35,439
>> it can be engineered away,

6504
04:28:35,439 --> 04:28:35,840
>> right?

6505
04:28:35,840 --> 04:28:37,040
>> I mean,

6506
04:28:37,040 --> 04:28:37,920
>> yeah, of course.

6507
04:28:37,920 --> 04:28:39,520
>> Of course, engineers are,

6508
04:28:39,520 --> 04:28:40,000
>> right?

6509
04:28:40,000 --> 04:28:41,040
>> Yeah, you could do sound.

6510
04:28:41,040 --> 04:28:42,159
>> I'm not the attorney who's going to

6511
04:28:42,159 --> 04:28:44,560
write the words away. the engine

6512
04:28:44,560 --> 04:28:45,520
understand.

6513
04:28:45,520 --> 04:28:47,120
>> So

6514
04:28:47,120 --> 04:28:49,199
>> process-wise, timeline wise,

6515
04:28:49,199 --> 04:28:49,760
>> yeah,

6516
04:28:49,760 --> 04:28:52,000
>> we have a model that we have a

6517
04:28:52,000 --> 04:28:53,279
development agreement that's going to

6518
04:28:53,279 --> 04:28:54,960
say we're going to hold you accountable

6519
04:28:54,960 --> 04:28:56,080
to the model

6520
04:28:56,080 --> 04:28:57,040
>> and the model. We don't know what the

6521
04:28:57,040 --> 04:28:57,439
model say.

6522
04:28:57,439 --> 04:28:59,040
>> The model gets put in place before they

6523
04:28:59,040 --> 04:29:00,800
even start construction. So

6524
04:29:00,800 --> 04:29:02,319
>> the model comes after the development

6525
04:29:02,319 --> 04:29:05,120
agreement's signed and it says there is

6526
04:29:05,120 --> 04:29:07,199
an impact. The development agreement

6527
04:29:07,199 --> 04:29:08,720
says we're going to hold you to that

6528
04:29:08,720 --> 04:29:11,176
model that has an impact in it.

6529
04:29:11,176 --> 04:29:11,600
[clears throat]

6530
04:29:11,600 --> 04:29:14,560
>> Okay. How do we

6531
04:29:14,560 --> 04:29:17,840
>> enforce the no impact

6532
04:29:17,840 --> 04:29:18,960
>> because there's already an impact

6533
04:29:18,960 --> 04:29:19,840
>> because it's already in the development

6534
04:29:19,840 --> 04:29:20,239
agreement

6535
04:29:20,239 --> 04:29:21,760
>> but I think you're I think your sound I

6536
04:29:21,760 --> 04:29:23,600
think your stud is going to say

6537
04:29:23,600 --> 04:29:25,920
>> what that impact is agree is that impact

6538
04:29:25,920 --> 04:29:29,600
high enough that it is going to be

6539
04:29:29,600 --> 04:29:31,520
>> detriment back to what Jeff had

6540
04:29:31,520 --> 04:29:33,520
mentioned earlier they want but it comes

6541
04:29:33,520 --> 04:29:34,159
after the fact

6542
04:29:34,159 --> 04:29:36,720
>> they want to start without

6543
04:29:36,720 --> 04:29:38,479
>> as as little as possible because they

6544
04:29:38,479 --> 04:29:39,600
don't believe there's going to be an

6545
04:29:39,600 --> 04:29:42,640
impact and so if the study comes back

6546
04:29:42,640 --> 04:29:44,640
and says there is going to be an impact

6547
04:29:44,640 --> 04:29:47,040
then now they're going to be required to

6548
04:29:47,040 --> 04:29:49,600
>> how are they required

6549
04:29:49,600 --> 04:29:50,880
>> say that though

6550
04:29:50,880 --> 04:29:52,319
>> the code doesn't say that they are

6551
04:29:52,319 --> 04:29:52,960
required

6552
04:29:52,960 --> 04:29:55,600
>> because if they proceed then they're

6553
04:29:55,600 --> 04:29:57,120
going to be out of compliance

6554
04:29:57,120 --> 04:29:58,159
>> with what

6555
04:29:58,159 --> 04:30:00,560
>> because that's the baseline

6556
04:30:00,560 --> 04:30:03,520
>> the baseline is the model the model says

6557
04:30:03,520 --> 04:30:04,319
there's an impact

6558
04:30:04,319 --> 04:30:04,880
>> I'm with you

6559
04:30:04,880 --> 04:30:07,680
>> as long as they are within the models

6560
04:30:07,680 --> 04:30:09,840
>> I'm with you okay y that makes sense so

6561
04:30:09,840 --> 04:30:10,960
how do we mitigate that

6562
04:30:10,960 --> 04:30:12,560
>> I think that sound study is going to be

6563
04:30:12,560 --> 04:30:13,040
something.

6564
04:30:13,040 --> 04:30:16,319
>> I think I I I I agree. I think they're

6565
04:30:16,319 --> 04:30:18,239
more than likely the sound study is

6566
04:30:18,239 --> 04:30:20,159
going to not show an impact. But if it

6567
04:30:20,159 --> 04:30:20,960
doesn't,

6568
04:30:20,960 --> 04:30:21,680
>> what then?

6569
04:30:21,680 --> 04:30:23,279
>> But it's going to show what what I'm

6570
04:30:23,279 --> 04:30:25,279
saying is I think that sound study's

6571
04:30:25,279 --> 04:30:27,199
more than that. It's going to be it's

6572
04:30:27,199 --> 04:30:28,159
got to be

6573
04:30:28,159 --> 04:30:31,439
>> Hey, so if it if it does create this,

6574
04:30:31,439 --> 04:30:34,640
here's what that is. It's equal to a

6575
04:30:34,640 --> 04:30:36,960
>> toaster being plugged in.

6576
04:30:36,960 --> 04:30:39,520
>> Sure. Sure. you know, two miles away

6577
04:30:39,520 --> 04:30:42,560
from you or or it's a toaster

6578
04:30:42,560 --> 04:30:44,560
>> next to a fan right next to you that's

6579
04:30:44,560 --> 04:30:45,600
vibrating the crap out of you.

6580
04:30:45,600 --> 04:30:48,000
>> Yeah, they're gonna they're I I gotta

6581
04:30:48,000 --> 04:30:49,680
think if we're asking for an independent

6582
04:30:49,680 --> 04:30:50,800
sound study, it's going to have

6583
04:30:50,800 --> 04:30:52,399
>> No, I think it's going to have the legit

6584
04:30:52,399 --> 04:30:54,960
I I'm going to I'm going to because I'm

6585
04:30:54,960 --> 04:30:57,600
the engineer, I'm going to say that

6586
04:30:57,600 --> 04:30:59,600
whatever the sound study says is

6587
04:30:59,600 --> 04:31:00,239
correct.

6588
04:31:00,239 --> 04:31:03,760
>> It's any study that we're looking at. If it is correct, if the baseline comes

6589
04:31:03,760 --> 04:31:05,680
back and says there's an impact, then we

6590
04:31:05,680 --> 04:31:08,800
want that resolved before I would almost

6591
04:31:08,800 --> 04:31:10,640
>> say that we have somewhere in the

6592
04:31:10,640 --> 04:31:12,960
development agreement that if any of our

6593
04:31:12,960 --> 04:31:16,000
baseline studies cause an impact, they

6594
04:31:16,000 --> 04:31:18,720
can't proceed until we resolve what that

6595
04:31:18,720 --> 04:31:19,920
impact would be.

6596
04:31:19,920 --> 04:31:20,800
>> Would that be in the development

6597
04:31:20,800 --> 04:31:22,239
agreement or in 2015?

6598
04:31:22,239 --> 04:31:24,880
>> Help me understand that baseline like I

6599
04:31:24,880 --> 04:31:27,680
mean like the site exists today and it

6600
04:31:27,680 --> 04:31:30,080
has sound today. So you're

6601
04:31:30,080 --> 04:31:31,920
>> so their studies are based on the

6602
04:31:31,920 --> 04:31:33,439
equipment that's going to be there if

6603
04:31:33,439 --> 04:31:34,399
I'm not mistaken. Right.

6604
04:31:34,399 --> 04:31:35,600
>> Sorry, say that again. He was muttering

6605
04:31:35,600 --> 04:31:36,319
and I couldn't.

6606
04:31:36,319 --> 04:31:37,760
>> So we're talking about

6607
04:31:37,760 --> 04:31:39,439
>> you're going to ask for a study for

6608
04:31:39,439 --> 04:31:40,640
what's going to be there.

6609
04:31:40,640 --> 04:31:42,640
>> So part of our requirement is that we

6610
04:31:42,640 --> 04:31:44,640
need a study done on sound. Yeah.

6611
04:31:44,640 --> 04:31:47,199
>> Based on what they're building.

6612
04:31:47,199 --> 04:31:49,359
>> That study comes back and that study

6613
04:31:49,359 --> 04:31:52,159
says there's an impact or there will be

6614
04:31:52,159 --> 04:31:52,720
an impact.

6615
04:31:52,720 --> 04:31:54,399
>> So Bon, is this a place where you can

6616
04:31:54,399 --> 04:31:57,600
insert like reasonable person standard?

6617
04:31:57,600 --> 04:31:58,880
Yeah, I think

6618
04:31:58,880 --> 04:32:00,399
>> for example the first sentence

6619
04:32:00,399 --> 04:32:02,399
>> because it really makes me nervous that

6620
04:32:02,399 --> 04:32:04,080
you know the word impact then is open

6621
04:32:04,080 --> 04:32:05,680
and nebulous and then anybody and

6622
04:32:05,680 --> 04:32:06,960
anything I think you were kind of joking

6623
04:32:06,960 --> 04:32:08,880
with the toaster but

6624
04:32:08,880 --> 04:32:10,640
>> but so I think if there's some kind of

6625
04:32:10,640 --> 04:32:12,159
reasonable standard reasonable person

6626
04:32:12,159 --> 04:32:14,880
standard or something like that I think

6627
04:32:14,880 --> 04:32:17,520
>> section 10 is on the heat is is pretty

6628
04:32:17,520 --> 04:32:20,319
good. The third paragraph

6629
04:32:20,319 --> 04:32:22,479
>> city may impose

6630
04:32:22,479 --> 04:32:23,760
>> 10

6631
04:32:23,760 --> 04:32:24,319
>> pay attention.

6632
04:32:24,319 --> 04:32:25,920
>> So if we

6633
04:32:25,920 --> 04:32:27,760
>> third paragraph city may proposed lawful

6634
04:32:27,760 --> 04:32:30,080
site plan or development agreement

6635
04:32:30,080 --> 04:32:33,680
conditions addressing equipment location

6636
04:32:33,680 --> 04:32:35,680
reasonably necessary to address the

6637
04:32:35,680 --> 04:32:39,439
demonstrated offsite thermal effects.

6638
04:32:39,439 --> 04:32:41,279
So it has that reason standard built

6639
04:32:41,279 --> 04:32:43,680
into us. We can pose reasonable

6640
04:32:43,680 --> 04:32:46,399
conditions.

6641
04:32:46,399 --> 04:32:47,840
>> Von, can you define what that word

6642
04:32:47,840 --> 04:32:51,920
reasonably necessary means?

6643
04:32:51,920 --> 04:32:54,239
>> I'm going to say that's a legal ter.

6644
04:32:54,239 --> 04:32:55,760
>> Yeah, that's a legal term. I'm going to

6645
04:32:55,760 --> 04:32:57,040
look at

6646
04:32:57,040 --> 04:32:58,479
>> I mean it's an objective standard,

6647
04:32:58,479 --> 04:33:01,439
right? It's not it's not a number. It's

6648
04:33:01,439 --> 04:33:04,080
not something that's exact, but it's

6649
04:33:04,080 --> 04:33:06,400
what is reasonable in the judgment of

6650
04:33:06,400 --> 04:33:08,480
>> So, in essence, we could say we think

6651
04:33:08,480 --> 04:33:11,039
this is reasonable. Well, we were just

6652
04:33:11,039 --> 04:33:12,160
talking about sound a second ago to put

6653
04:33:12,160 --> 04:33:13,920
up a sound wall. Let's say that is what

6654
04:33:13,920 --> 04:33:16,000
we are saying is reasonable. But the

6655
04:33:16,000 --> 04:33:17,680
applicant says, well, we don't think

6656
04:33:17,680 --> 04:33:19,199
that's reasonable. Would that then have

6657
04:33:19,199 --> 04:33:21,359
to go to court to decide what's

6658
04:33:21,359 --> 04:33:22,320
reasonable in that?

6659
04:33:22,320 --> 04:33:23,680
>> There's some some sort of dispute

6660
04:33:23,680 --> 04:33:26,400
resolution. We could negotiate, confer,

6661
04:33:26,400 --> 04:33:30,789
we could have a mediation

6662
04:33:30,799 --> 04:33:32,400
All right. So I I

6663
04:33:32,400 --> 04:33:33,520
>> Let me ask them if they have any

6664
04:33:33,520 --> 04:33:35,439
solutions like do you guys have any

6665
04:33:35,439 --> 04:33:37,199
solutions to this? Would you propose

6666
04:33:37,199 --> 04:33:39,039
anything?

6667
04:33:39,039 --> 04:33:41,359
>> Would you propose any solutions?

6668
04:33:41,359 --> 04:33:42,000
>> I mean

6669
04:33:42,000 --> 04:33:43,199
>> it's a timing issue.

6670
04:33:43,199 --> 04:33:43,680
>> Yeah.

6671
04:33:43,680 --> 04:33:46,240
>> The the solution is to wait until the

6672
04:33:46,240 --> 04:33:47,439
sound study, the heat study and all

6673
04:33:47,439 --> 04:33:49,279
those things are done before we approve

6674
04:33:49,279 --> 04:33:51,279
the development agreement.

6675
04:33:51,279 --> 04:33:52,080
>> So

6676
04:33:52,080 --> 04:33:53,520
>> then we know exactly what we're getting

6677
04:33:53,520 --> 04:33:57,279
into. if if sound is needs to be

6678
04:33:57,279 --> 04:34:00,799
expounded um maybe expan expanding the

6679
04:34:00,799 --> 04:34:03,439
noise ordinance that you currently have

6680
04:34:03,439 --> 04:34:04,719
>> I don't think that's the address

6681
04:34:04,719 --> 04:34:08,240
>> I don't think that's my concern I

6682
04:34:08,240 --> 04:34:10,879
>> my concern is holding you accountable to

6683
04:34:10,879 --> 04:34:12,320
the model

6684
04:34:12,320 --> 04:34:13,279
>> but if the model

6685
04:34:13,279 --> 04:34:14,799
>> but we don't know what the model says

6686
04:34:14,799 --> 04:34:16,480
before you're holding accountable to it

6687
04:34:16,480 --> 04:34:19,119
>> yeah so when the model comes that'll be

6688
04:34:19,119 --> 04:34:22,160
a part of the site plan and then that is

6689
04:34:22,160 --> 04:34:24,000
the opportunity to approve approve the

6690
04:34:24,000 --> 04:34:26,639
site plan as it's modeled.

6691
04:34:26,639 --> 04:34:29,760
>> So, so, so that is an approval that we

6692
04:34:29,760 --> 04:34:31,600
might not, you know, if the site plan

6693
04:34:31,600 --> 04:34:32,480
shows,

6694
04:34:32,480 --> 04:34:33,439
>> what does this mean?

6695
04:34:33,439 --> 04:34:35,359
>> If the site plan shows

6696
04:34:35,359 --> 04:34:37,439
>> Yeah. So, if the site plan the site

6697
04:34:37,439 --> 04:34:38,959
plan, they're going to say change the

6698
04:34:38,959 --> 04:34:41,199
site plan because that's unacceptable.

6699
04:34:41,199 --> 04:34:43,600
>> Correct. So let's say the site plan

6700
04:34:43,600 --> 04:34:46,080
comes out with the acoustic study and

6701
04:34:46,080 --> 04:34:50,160
says there's a large new low tonal

6702
04:34:50,160 --> 04:34:52,000
frequency

6703
04:34:52,000 --> 04:34:54,080
uh that's disclosed in that acoustic

6704
04:34:54,080 --> 04:34:55,840
analysis.

6705
04:34:55,840 --> 04:34:58,719
There's an opportunity to say this

6706
04:34:58,719 --> 04:35:02,400
acoustical analysis is not

6707
04:35:02,400 --> 04:35:05,039
u acceptable.

6708
04:35:05,039 --> 04:35:07,039
>> So adjust the site plan. So adjust the

6709
04:35:07,039 --> 04:35:08,719
site plan so that it would be

6710
04:35:08,719 --> 04:35:10,719
>> right. Adjust the site plan. So then

6711
04:35:10,719 --> 04:35:13,199
from a timing perspective it's

6712
04:35:13,199 --> 04:35:15,680
>> development agreement the next little

6713
04:35:15,680 --> 04:35:20,320
bit you work on site plan do all the

6714
04:35:20,320 --> 04:35:22,879
modeling all that's available for review

6715
04:35:22,879 --> 04:35:24,561
before the site plan is approved

6716
04:35:24,561 --> 04:35:27,680
>> correct that's the point in time where

6717
04:35:27,680 --> 04:35:29,920
whoever approves site plans these days

6718
04:35:29,920 --> 04:35:31,600
can say nope change it

6719
04:35:31,600 --> 04:35:32,160
>> correct

6720
04:35:32,160 --> 04:35:33,039
>> okay

6721
04:35:33,039 --> 04:35:36,320
>> so question that I got

6722
04:35:36,320 --> 04:35:39,680
if we hire somebody or if we've got an

6723
04:35:39,680 --> 04:35:41,439
engineer, sound engineer that comes does

6724
04:35:41,439 --> 04:35:44,240
the does the study.

6725
04:35:44,240 --> 04:35:46,639
How do we define impact? How do we know

6726
04:35:46,639 --> 04:35:50,160
what an impact is?

6727
04:35:50,160 --> 04:35:52,799
>> How do we know? Because you know from

6728
04:35:52,799 --> 04:35:54,639
the emails we've received, some people

6729
04:35:54,639 --> 04:35:57,680
may have a different sound may impact

6730
04:35:57,680 --> 04:35:59,680
one person differently than it impacts

6731
04:35:59,680 --> 04:36:00,639
somebody else.

6732
04:36:00,639 --> 04:36:02,799
>> How is that determined,

6733
04:36:02,799 --> 04:36:03,680
>> Mr. Mayor?

6734
04:36:03,680 --> 04:36:04,000
>> Yes.

6735
04:36:04,000 --> 04:36:05,439
>> Is that I mean, we've talked about

6736
04:36:05,439 --> 04:36:07,119
material changes. Is that a material

6737
04:36:07,119 --> 04:36:09,359
change from what exists today? Is that

6738
04:36:09,359 --> 04:36:11,920
like some noticeable difference from

6739
04:36:11,920 --> 04:36:13,439
>> That's what I was thinking about trying

6740
04:36:13,439 --> 04:36:17,039
to get to is if there is a tonal impact

6741
04:36:17,039 --> 04:36:19,520
today that only certain people can hear

6742
04:36:19,520 --> 04:36:21,279
>> that's there as of now.

6743
04:36:21,279 --> 04:36:22,639
>> Correct.

6744
04:36:22,639 --> 04:36:25,039
and and you add to it,

6745
04:36:25,039 --> 04:36:26,000
>> then there's an impact.

6746
04:36:26,000 --> 04:36:29,520
And and

6747
04:36:29,520 --> 04:36:31,840
why and why couldn't we call that a

6748
04:36:31,840 --> 04:36:34,160
material change

6749
04:36:34,160 --> 04:36:36,639
where that material change means you

6750
04:36:36,639 --> 04:36:38,240
have to remedy that? You have to you

6751
04:36:38,240 --> 04:36:40,480
have to figure that out. You can't you

6752
04:36:40,480 --> 04:36:43,600
can't build it that way. Uh you you got

6753
04:36:43,600 --> 04:36:45,840
to get a different study done that would

6754
04:36:45,840 --> 04:36:48,959
show there is no there is no material

6755
04:36:48,959 --> 04:36:51,119
impact. thought would the courts think

6756
04:36:51,119 --> 04:36:53,439
that that's a material impact? I saw

6757
04:36:53,439 --> 04:36:54,719
your fa you made some facial

6758
04:36:54,719 --> 04:36:55,279
expressions.

6759
04:36:55,279 --> 04:36:56,480
>> I was thinking of something else. I was

6760
04:36:56,480 --> 04:36:58,080
just thinking that being approved

6761
04:36:58,080 --> 04:37:00,561
through the site plan, not material

6762
04:37:00,561 --> 04:37:01,520
change.

6763
04:37:01,520 --> 04:37:04,000
>> And when we do baseline studies, are we

6764
04:37:04,000 --> 04:37:05,840
content with a single study and saying,

6765
04:37:05,840 --> 04:37:07,760
"Okay, we hire one person and whatever

6766
04:37:07,760 --> 04:37:10,959
they come back with is good or does it

6767
04:37:10,959 --> 04:37:13,840
make sense that we do

6768
04:37:13,840 --> 04:37:16,480
two or three or more?" I don't know.

6769
04:37:16,480 --> 04:37:18,561
This is spitballing right now. Just to

6770
04:37:18,561 --> 04:37:19,600
>> It's just money.

6771
04:37:19,600 --> 04:37:22,799
right? Uh are we we

6772
04:37:22,799 --> 04:37:24,879
feel good about hiring one person to do

6773
04:37:24,879 --> 04:37:26,240
it and whatever they come back with,

6774
04:37:26,240 --> 04:37:28,160
okay, that's the number

6775
04:37:28,160 --> 04:37:30,879
>> or would we take a few studies, multiple

6776
04:37:30,879 --> 04:37:32,080
studies, put them together and say,

6777
04:37:32,080 --> 04:37:33,920
"Okay, this is what we've come up with."

6778
04:37:33,920 --> 04:37:36,879
>> I think if we I I think the applicant

6779
04:37:36,879 --> 04:37:39,359
should and and

6780
04:37:39,359 --> 04:37:41,199
I think the applicant shall give us a

6781
04:37:41,199 --> 04:37:42,320
study and I think we're if we're

6782
04:37:42,320 --> 04:37:43,760
uncomfortable with it, we

6783
04:37:43,760 --> 04:37:46,000
>> as well. Yep.

6784
04:37:46,000 --> 04:37:47,760
But the question you asked I don't think

6785
04:37:47,760 --> 04:37:50,000
was answered. I think we have the timing

6786
04:37:50,000 --> 04:37:53,359
down and the the process seems to work.

6787
04:37:53,359 --> 04:37:57,119
There's opportunity for the city whether

6788
04:37:57,119 --> 04:37:59,680
that's us or the planning commission or

6789
04:37:59,680 --> 04:38:02,400
DRC to say you did not meet our

6790
04:38:02,400 --> 04:38:04,799
expectation. What is our expectation

6791
04:38:04,799 --> 04:38:09,279
though? What does impact mean? and and

6792
04:38:09,279 --> 04:38:13,920
sort of chicken and egg because the we

6793
04:38:13,920 --> 04:38:16,320
don't have a number to put in for

6794
04:38:16,320 --> 04:38:21,520
vibration or low tonal whatever

6795
04:38:21,520 --> 04:38:22,639
we don't have a number

6796
04:38:22,639 --> 04:38:25,279
>> which but according to what we've been

6797
04:38:25,279 --> 04:38:28,080
told we had two studies both studies

6798
04:38:28,080 --> 04:38:30,080
came back and said yeah as of right now

6799
04:38:30,080 --> 04:38:33,439
there's no low low frequency noise being

6800
04:38:33,439 --> 04:38:34,639
emitted

6801
04:38:34,639 --> 04:38:37,600
>> any they can't pick up any there's no

6802
04:38:37,600 --> 04:38:40,799
vibration, whatever, then we know, okay,

6803
04:38:40,799 --> 04:38:44,000
after we do the study again, once it's

6804
04:38:44,000 --> 04:38:45,279
been put in there, now there's an

6805
04:38:45,279 --> 04:38:45,760
impact.

6806
04:38:45,760 --> 04:38:47,279
>> Sure. For sure. And then now they're on

6807
04:38:47,279 --> 04:38:48,080
the hook to change it,

6808
04:38:48,080 --> 04:38:48,400
>> right?

6809
04:38:48,400 --> 04:38:49,680
>> Yep.

6810
04:38:49,680 --> 04:38:53,039
>> Yeah. Once we get the the original model

6811
04:38:53,039 --> 04:38:56,879
done with their all of their machinery

6812
04:38:56,879 --> 04:39:00,320
in place or modeled, right? And it says

6813
04:39:00,320 --> 04:39:02,799
this is the I wish I knew what how you

6814
04:39:02,799 --> 04:39:06,080
measure low tonal

6815
04:39:06,080 --> 04:39:07,520
deci

6816
04:39:07,520 --> 04:39:09,359
>> that might be I should

6817
04:39:09,359 --> 04:39:11,119
>> I would but never mind that would be

6818
04:39:11,119 --> 04:39:12,320
sarcastic and it would not go.

6819
04:39:12,320 --> 04:39:14,639
>> Is that what it is frequency? Yeah.

6820
04:39:14,639 --> 04:39:16,561
>> The attorney came up with this

6821
04:39:16,561 --> 04:39:17,920
>> and you're the engineer.

6822
04:39:17,920 --> 04:39:19,760
>> I used to like car audio. I know about

6823
04:39:19,760 --> 04:39:23,199
20 hertz to 20,000

6824
04:39:23,199 --> 04:39:24,160
>> hertz.

6825
04:39:24,160 --> 04:39:29,029
>> No no no. So any

6826
04:39:29,039 --> 04:39:31,199
standards for all these things you're

6827
04:39:31,199 --> 04:39:31,760
talking about.

6828
04:39:31,760 --> 04:39:32,639
>> Okay.

6829
04:39:32,639 --> 04:39:36,799
>> There are accepted levels and curves

6830
04:39:36,799 --> 04:39:37,920
for all of these things.

6831
04:39:37,920 --> 04:39:40,160
>> Okay.

6832
04:39:40,160 --> 04:39:42,000
>> And maybe we ask

6833
04:39:42,000 --> 04:39:44,080
>> maybe we ask the

6834
04:39:44,080 --> 04:39:46,560
>> the sound engineer to give us a

6835
04:39:46,560 --> 04:39:47,920
definition of reasonable.

6836
04:39:47,920 --> 04:39:49,920
>> Like if we put reasonable in here,

6837
04:39:49,920 --> 04:39:52,320
>> we've got we've got the name of a great

6838
04:39:52,320 --> 04:39:54,080
sound engineer that's done work around

6839
04:39:54,080 --> 04:39:55,840
our community for other businesses. It's

6840
04:39:55,840 --> 04:39:57,120
not the engineer that these guys have

6841
04:39:57,120 --> 04:39:59,760
used. And so they're independent and I

6842
04:39:59,760 --> 04:40:01,120
think we we can ask them help us

6843
04:40:01,120 --> 04:40:03,200
understand give us some give us some as

6844
04:40:03,200 --> 04:40:04,958
Brady was just suggesting some some

6845
04:40:04,958 --> 04:40:07,040
reasonable

6846
04:40:07,040 --> 04:40:09,200
>> uh some definitions to reasonable and I

6847
04:40:09,200 --> 04:40:09,920
think

6848
04:40:09,920 --> 04:40:11,440
>> I think that's probably a great place to

6849
04:40:11,440 --> 04:40:13,840
start. I I genuinely worry about just

6850
04:40:13,840 --> 04:40:15,920
the the blanket word impact because it

6851
04:40:15,920 --> 04:40:17,520
it's so open

6852
04:40:17,520 --> 04:40:19,280
>> for sure.

6853
04:40:19,280 --> 04:40:23,200
>> Uh but also reasonable is inherently

6854
04:40:23,200 --> 04:40:24,798
reasonable

6855
04:40:24,798 --> 04:40:26,320
>> by definition. I don't know if you can

6856
04:40:26,320 --> 04:40:27,680
use reasonable in the definition of

6857
04:40:27,680 --> 04:40:28,798
reasonable.

6858
04:40:28,798 --> 04:40:31,040
>> Yeah, it feels like it feels like if

6859
04:40:31,040 --> 04:40:31,600
>> I feel like

6860
04:40:31,600 --> 04:40:33,120
>> if you're just using the word impact

6861
04:40:33,120 --> 04:40:35,920
without some language to it and and what

6862
04:40:35,920 --> 04:40:37,520
that means,

6863
04:40:37,520 --> 04:40:39,920
>> then we're Yeah, we're we're we might be

6864
04:40:39,920 --> 04:40:42,958
a a hammer looking for a nail. But on

6865
04:40:42,958 --> 04:40:45,520
the other aspect of it, if if they're a

6866
04:40:45,520 --> 04:40:48,798
nail, then we need to be a hammer. I

6867
04:40:48,798 --> 04:40:53,120
think it's I think you I hate when I

6868
04:40:53,120 --> 04:40:54,560
have to say your analogy is correct, but

6869
04:40:54,560 --> 04:40:56,718
I think that is the correct analogy%.

6870
04:40:56,718 --> 04:40:59,760
>> Um the and I think it goes both ways. I

6871
04:40:59,760 --> 04:41:00,958
think there's some protection in place

6872
04:41:00,958 --> 04:41:03,280
for them as much as it is for the

6873
04:41:03,280 --> 04:41:03,920
resident.

6874
04:41:03,920 --> 04:41:04,320
>> Yeah.

6875
04:41:04,320 --> 04:41:06,560
>> Right. If we have a standard that's

6876
04:41:06,560 --> 04:41:07,680
reasonable.

6877
04:41:07,680 --> 04:41:08,878
>> Yeah. Then every

6878
04:41:08,878 --> 04:41:10,878
>> then we can measure it and say yes or no

6879
04:41:10,878 --> 04:41:12,958
to it instead of arguing about is that

6880
04:41:12,958 --> 04:41:15,200
reasonleness. So I think I think it does

6881
04:41:15,200 --> 04:41:18,878
warrant some further

6882
04:41:18,878 --> 04:41:21,680
anal not analysis but numbers in the

6883
04:41:21,680 --> 04:41:23,280
code that we can hold everyone

6884
04:41:23,280 --> 04:41:23,840
accountable to

6885
04:41:23,840 --> 04:41:26,000
>> and if we put reasonable here we can

6886
04:41:26,000 --> 04:41:27,920
catch the reasonleness in the

6887
04:41:27,920 --> 04:41:29,040
development agreement.

6888
04:41:29,040 --> 04:41:29,760
>> Yeah.

6889
04:41:29,760 --> 04:41:31,760
>> And and that will help us and we can

6890
04:41:31,760 --> 04:41:33,360
then change this later if we want to. We

6891
04:41:33,360 --> 04:41:34,878
can put it back in there.

6892
04:41:34,878 --> 04:41:35,920
>> Yeah.

6893
04:41:35,920 --> 04:41:37,760
>> But there's a that's a that's a way we

6894
04:41:37,760 --> 04:41:39,280
can develop and suspend. Right.

6895
04:41:39,280 --> 04:41:39,520
>> Sure.

6896
04:41:39,520 --> 04:41:41,040
>> Or we can add it to here and approve

6897
04:41:41,040 --> 04:41:46,310
them at the same time in the future.

6898
04:41:46,320 --> 04:41:48,958
Keep going. Let's keep going.

6899
04:41:48,958 --> 04:41:50,080
That's That's

6900
04:41:50,080 --> 04:41:52,958
>> okay. Uh we covered heat and thermal

6901
04:41:52,958 --> 04:41:55,600
effects before Shane took us backwards a

6902
04:41:55,600 --> 04:41:55,920
little bit.

6903
04:41:55,920 --> 04:41:57,920
>> It's the same. It applies in both cases.

6904
04:41:57,920 --> 04:41:58,320
>> That's true.

6905
04:41:58,320 --> 04:41:59,680
>> Well, it's going to apply across a few

6906
04:41:59,680 --> 04:42:00,798
processes. Yeah.

6907
04:42:00,798 --> 04:42:02,160
>> Okay. Let's get back to

6908
04:42:02,160 --> 04:42:03,520
>> I love teaching you all engineering.

6909
04:42:03,520 --> 04:42:05,200
It's so fun.

6910
04:42:05,200 --> 04:42:06,798
>> Step back, screening, lighting, and

6911
04:42:06,798 --> 04:42:09,520
height. Um I think this is important.

6912
04:42:09,520 --> 04:42:10,718
There's

6913
04:42:10,718 --> 04:42:12,160
>> We've had some questions about lighting.

6914
04:42:12,160 --> 04:42:13,760
>> Yeah, we have. We've had a few questions

6915
04:42:13,760 --> 04:42:14,958
about dark sky.

6916
04:42:14,958 --> 04:42:16,480
>> There's lights there now.

6917
04:42:16,480 --> 04:42:18,958
>> Issues. There are lights there now. I

6918
04:42:18,958 --> 04:42:21,440
don't know if any of Jeff if any of your

6919
04:42:21,440 --> 04:42:23,520
team want to discuss any lighting

6920
04:42:23,520 --> 04:42:26,958
changes. Um dark sky lighting. Is that

6921
04:42:26,958 --> 04:42:28,718
something you brought up and discussed?

6922
04:42:28,718 --> 04:42:31,600
>> Yeah. I mean everything we will engineer

6923
04:42:31,600 --> 04:42:34,160
is going to be for low light. In fact, I

6924
04:42:34,160 --> 04:42:35,760
think we also we already identified

6925
04:42:35,760 --> 04:42:37,360
there's things we can do right now just

6926
04:42:37,360 --> 04:42:38,878
with the existing lighting to improve

6927
04:42:38,878 --> 04:42:42,320
it. Angling it down, for example. So, uh

6928
04:42:42,320 --> 04:42:46,400
there's nothing um substantial about a

6929
04:42:46,400 --> 04:42:48,000
lighting requirement for us and our

6930
04:42:48,000 --> 04:42:50,080
equipment outside of the building. So,

6931
04:42:50,080 --> 04:42:53,920
we uh we will have

6932
04:42:53,920 --> 04:42:57,280
minimal impact possibly improve the way

6933
04:42:57,280 --> 04:42:59,440
the lighting I mean there's been no

6934
04:42:59,440 --> 04:43:01,840
consideration for lighting out there now

6935
04:43:01,840 --> 04:43:04,718
and so you've got big big lights you

6936
04:43:04,718 --> 04:43:07,840
know pointing wherever. We'll work on uh

6937
04:43:07,840 --> 04:43:09,760
changing those angles.

6938
04:43:09,760 --> 04:43:11,680
>> Outside of what we're looking at in this

6939
04:43:11,680 --> 04:43:13,440
code, what else have we already got in

6940
04:43:13,440 --> 04:43:15,600
city code that discusses?

6941
04:43:15,600 --> 04:43:16,958
>> And I know we've been changing all of

6942
04:43:16,958 --> 04:43:17,760
our street lights.

6943
04:43:17,760 --> 04:43:18,638
>> Yeah, we've been doing our street

6944
04:43:18,638 --> 04:43:20,400
lights. I think I think considering dark

6945
04:43:20,400 --> 04:43:22,958
sky is is certainly something that we we

6946
04:43:22,958 --> 04:43:25,200
can put in here. Um

6947
04:43:25,200 --> 04:43:27,200
>> it might be different than our code,

6948
04:43:27,200 --> 04:43:28,798
Jake. I don't know if you can remember

6949
04:43:28,798 --> 04:43:30,160
what we've done with lighting in the

6950
04:43:30,160 --> 04:43:32,560
code in terms of development or Dave, in

6951
04:43:32,560 --> 04:43:34,080
terms of development, not just street

6952
04:43:34,080 --> 04:43:36,480
lighting. Um and then I'll come back to

6953
04:43:36,480 --> 04:43:38,638
another issue on their parking lot.

6954
04:43:38,638 --> 04:43:41,920
>> Yeah, we as a city try to follow the

6955
04:43:41,920 --> 04:43:43,600
dark sky lighting. As far as

6956
04:43:43,600 --> 04:43:45,280
development, we encourage that through

6957
04:43:45,280 --> 04:43:47,040
the development process that

6958
04:43:47,040 --> 04:43:48,718
>> to try to follow those dark sky

6959
04:43:48,718 --> 04:43:49,760
standards. So

6960
04:43:49,760 --> 04:43:53,520
>> we do require a plan that identifies how

6961
04:43:53,520 --> 04:43:55,440
lit a site would be based on a

6962
04:43:55,440 --> 04:43:58,798
particular lighting design. And we work

6963
04:43:58,798 --> 04:44:00,320
uh by way of the types of fixtures that

6964
04:44:00,320 --> 04:44:01,680
people use, how tall they are, and how

6965
04:44:01,680 --> 04:44:03,760
they're shielded to make sure that light

6966
04:44:03,760 --> 04:44:06,240
as much as possible stays on site so

6967
04:44:06,240 --> 04:44:08,160
there's not light spillover and that

6968
04:44:08,160 --> 04:44:09,520
type of a thing. So that's that's a

6969
04:44:09,520 --> 04:44:11,520
routine part of our review.

6970
04:44:11,520 --> 04:44:13,920
>> So with that, I wouldn't I I think a

6971
04:44:13,920 --> 04:44:16,958
dark sky compliant nature is is a great

6972
04:44:16,958 --> 04:44:19,120
place to go, but our code doesn't

6973
04:44:19,120 --> 04:44:21,280
require that in any other place. So,

6974
04:44:21,280 --> 04:44:26,000
it's it's maybe a step too far um simply

6975
04:44:26,000 --> 04:44:28,240
because of that, but I think we want to

6976
04:44:28,240 --> 04:44:30,638
make sure that if they do build here and

6977
04:44:30,638 --> 04:44:32,240
they do operate here that we give them

6978
04:44:32,240 --> 04:44:36,320
the ability to create a secure space,

6979
04:44:36,320 --> 04:44:37,680
you know, that they can light it in a

6980
04:44:37,680 --> 04:44:38,718
way that is secure,

6981
04:44:38,718 --> 04:44:39,280
>> right,

6982
04:44:39,280 --> 04:44:40,878
>> for them?

6983
04:44:40,878 --> 04:44:43,200
>> Do you foresee it the the untrained eye

6984
04:44:43,200 --> 04:44:45,040
that goes up Spanish Fort Canyon? Do you

6985
04:44:45,040 --> 04:44:48,240
see it? Uh I guess this is a question

6986
04:44:48,240 --> 04:44:50,878
for the applicant. Do you see it more uh

6987
04:44:50,878 --> 04:44:54,878
visible at night than it currently is or

6988
04:44:54,878 --> 04:44:57,920
about the same or or or less? I mean, I

6989
04:44:57,920 --> 04:45:00,400
know that's getting ahead of a site

6990
04:45:00,400 --> 04:45:02,160
plan, too, but what what would be your

6991
04:45:02,160 --> 04:45:02,560
wish?

6992
04:45:02,560 --> 04:45:04,000
>> We want to improve anything that we're

6993
04:45:04,000 --> 04:45:07,200
doing out there if we can. So, um, I

6994
04:45:07,200 --> 04:45:08,798
know that we haven't taken a close look

6995
04:45:08,798 --> 04:45:11,600
at what it looks like distinctly right

6996
04:45:11,600 --> 04:45:14,718
now at night, but I do know that, you

6997
04:45:14,718 --> 04:45:18,000
know, as we look at ways to create

6998
04:45:18,000 --> 04:45:21,760
potential barriers, including trees and

6999
04:45:21,760 --> 04:45:23,360
other

7000
04:45:23,360 --> 04:45:26,718
uh, you know, additions from an

7001
04:45:26,718 --> 04:45:29,280
aesthetic standpoint, also to help knock

7002
04:45:29,280 --> 04:45:36,080
down noise and heat. Um, you know, our intention is to improve it.

7003
04:45:36,080 --> 04:45:36,560
>> Okay.

7004
04:45:36,560 --> 04:45:38,638
>> Aesthetically. And then lighting. Yeah.

7005
04:45:38,638 --> 04:45:43,200
Lighting for us would be um low and

7006
04:45:43,200 --> 04:45:46,798
typically in the evening just to allow

7007
04:45:46,798 --> 04:45:50,718
like visibility near a fuel cell, you

7008
04:45:50,718 --> 04:45:54,560
know, but we don't need, you know, like

7009
04:45:54,560 --> 04:45:56,080
big lighting out there.

7010
04:45:56,080 --> 04:45:57,440
>> Yeah. Yeah.

7011
04:45:57,440 --> 04:46:04,310
>> Okay. Thank you.

7012
04:46:04,320 --> 04:46:08,150
Okay. Um,

7013
04:46:08,160 --> 04:46:11,040
water use and cooling.

7014
04:46:11,040 --> 04:46:14,160
How much of that part do you want to go

7015
04:46:14,160 --> 04:46:15,840
over? I think that was an important

7016
04:46:15,840 --> 04:46:22,798
change. Is this where your um part of the water that you uh

7017
04:46:22,798 --> 04:46:25,360
discussed there, Vaughn,

7018
04:46:25,360 --> 04:46:28,080
was a different uh

7019
04:46:28,080 --> 04:46:30,958
type of chemical in the water that I'm

7020
04:46:30,958 --> 04:46:32,878
not I'm not going to be the first to

7021
04:46:32,878 --> 04:46:33,200
drink

7022
04:46:33,200 --> 04:46:34,000
>> section

7023
04:46:34,000 --> 04:46:36,718
>> even Oh, that's coming up. Oh, yeah.

7024
04:46:36,718 --> 04:46:40,798
Okay. So on this right during the

7025
04:46:40,798 --> 04:46:44,480
presentation and in the former

7026
04:46:44,480 --> 04:46:47,200
title 15 I believe it was 500,000 and

7027
04:46:47,200 --> 04:46:49,440
250 why did we go up to a million and

7028
04:46:49,440 --> 04:46:50,320
300

7029
04:46:50,320 --> 04:46:51,920
>> I don't know the answer to that question

7030
04:46:51,920 --> 04:46:52,638
that was Shane

7031
04:46:52,638 --> 04:46:53,760
>> that was me

7032
04:46:53,760 --> 04:46:57,200
>> not because Shane wanted it but I think you can explain

7033
04:46:57,200 --> 04:47:02,550
>> it was in my it was in my recommendation

7034
04:47:02,560 --> 04:47:05,840
» um a buffer

7035
04:47:05,840 --> 04:47:08,878
>> I don't I don't see the

7036
04:47:08,878 --> 04:47:10,560
I don't I don't understand this face

7037
04:47:10,560 --> 04:47:12,240
that I'm getting either, but I don't see

7038
04:47:12,240 --> 04:47:12,798
the

7039
04:47:12,798 --> 04:47:14,000
>> You're not the type of person to just

7040
04:47:14,000 --> 04:47:15,680
add buffers. So, that's what the

7041
04:47:15,680 --> 04:47:19,280
>> I mean, it's 500,000 gallons a year is

7042
04:47:19,280 --> 04:47:20,798
very very small.

7043
04:47:20,798 --> 04:47:22,560
>> And is that for the entire property,

7044
04:47:22,560 --> 04:47:23,280
right?

7045
04:47:23,280 --> 04:47:24,480
>> No,

7046
04:47:24,480 --> 04:47:26,160
>> I think that's what it was meant to say.

7047
04:47:26,160 --> 04:47:26,560
>> No,

7048
04:47:26,560 --> 04:47:28,798
>> it is right.

7049
04:47:28,798 --> 04:47:30,480
>> The data center water used for initial

7050
04:47:30,480 --> 04:47:31,600
filling, cooling systems,

7051
04:47:31,600 --> 04:47:33,920
humidification, computers.

7052
04:47:33,920 --> 04:47:36,638
So just the just the data center land

7053
04:47:36,638 --> 04:47:38,958
use or landscaping would be a separate

7054
04:47:38,958 --> 04:47:39,520
water

7055
04:47:39,520 --> 04:47:40,798
>> let's say office use

7056
04:47:40,798 --> 04:47:44,000
>> office use that would be included in

7057
04:47:44,000 --> 04:47:45,600
what they've probably already got today.

7058
04:47:45,600 --> 04:47:45,840
Right.

7059
04:47:45,840 --> 04:47:48,320
>> Correct.

7060
04:47:48,320 --> 04:47:49,600
>> Yeah. I think that's important to make

7061
04:47:49,600 --> 04:47:52,638
sure that we understand that the water

7062
04:47:52,638 --> 04:47:54,400
that that is talking about here and

7063
04:47:54,400 --> 04:47:56,080
whether it's a million or 500,000 or

7064
04:47:56,080 --> 04:47:57,440
600,000 because you want a different

7065
04:47:57,440 --> 04:47:59,200
buffer. I mean I think you they've said

7066
04:47:59,200 --> 04:48:01,840
500 and 250 fairly consistently for the

7067
04:48:01,840 --> 04:48:03,920
last two months, right? not fairly very

7068
04:48:03,920 --> 04:48:05,680
consistently for the last two months.

7069
04:48:05,680 --> 04:48:08,878
So, I think this shouldn't be an issue

7070
04:48:08,878 --> 04:48:11,200
that we get hung up on. Let's, you know,

7071
04:48:11,200 --> 04:48:14,798
let's pick the best or right number. Um,

7072
04:48:14,798 --> 04:48:16,958
I agree with Shane in terms of some kind

7073
04:48:16,958 --> 04:48:19,120
of buffer. It's we're not talking about

7074
04:48:19,120 --> 04:48:22,240
big numbers. Although 500,000 is a big

7075
04:48:22,240 --> 04:48:25,360
number, when it comes to watering u my

7076
04:48:25,360 --> 04:48:27,680
lawn or whatnot, it's

7077
04:48:27,680 --> 04:48:28,878
not.

7078
04:48:28,878 --> 04:48:31,280
>> But there are site

7079
04:48:31,280 --> 04:48:34,718
>> Yeah. 23 acres under a roof is is

7080
04:48:34,718 --> 04:48:36,480
massive, right? So I think there are

7081
04:48:36,480 --> 04:48:38,638
three areas. I'm gonna say there's the

7082
04:48:38,638 --> 04:48:40,638
compute infrastructure. So that's going

7083
04:48:40,638 --> 04:48:42,400
to be the closed loop, the

7084
04:48:42,400 --> 04:48:43,520
humidification.

7085
04:48:43,520 --> 04:48:46,240
>> That's this number.

7086
04:48:46,240 --> 04:48:49,120
>> Then there is office that will be

7087
04:48:49,120 --> 04:48:50,638
drinking water. This will be drinking

7088
04:48:50,638 --> 04:48:52,878
water too. This will be cleaned drinking

7089
04:48:52,878 --> 04:48:55,840
water, right? And then and then then

7090
04:48:55,840 --> 04:48:58,080
there is going to be outside water which

7091
04:48:58,080 --> 04:49:01,760
today is part of our culinary system.

7092
04:49:01,760 --> 04:49:03,920
But as the development comes in through

7093
04:49:03,920 --> 04:49:07,200
the houses, we anticipate that would uh

7094
04:49:07,200 --> 04:49:08,718
convert over to the PI system.

7095
04:49:08,718 --> 04:49:10,240
>> Would we need to spell that out?

7096
04:49:10,240 --> 04:49:11,040
>> Which part?

7097
04:49:11,040 --> 04:49:12,480
>> That they're going to transfer over to

7098
04:49:12,480 --> 04:49:13,120
PI.

7099
04:49:13,120 --> 04:49:14,638
>> I don't think so. That's typical with

7100
04:49:14,638 --> 04:49:16,240
development and and development would

7101
04:49:16,240 --> 04:49:16,798
require that.

7102
04:49:16,798 --> 04:49:18,000
>> I'm putting in the development

7103
04:49:18,000 --> 04:49:18,480
agreement.

7104
04:49:18,480 --> 04:49:19,040
>> Okay, there you go.

7105
04:49:19,040 --> 04:49:20,160
>> Anyway,

7106
04:49:20,160 --> 04:49:21,600
>> that doesn't worry me at all because

7107
04:49:21,600 --> 04:49:24,080
that's normal. We we do that anyway.

7108
04:49:24,080 --> 04:49:28,240
>> But we're covering it anyways. But so

7109
04:49:28,240 --> 04:49:30,718
you guys you guys can debate this point.

7110
04:49:30,718 --> 04:49:33,120
Um no business has a cap on water that

7111
04:49:33,120 --> 04:49:36,160
they use. They just pay for the meter

7112
04:49:36,160 --> 04:49:38,400
and get the water that they are entitled

7113
04:49:38,400 --> 04:49:42,080
to. Um this limitation is specifically

7114
04:49:42,080 --> 04:49:44,480
for what I would call the ugly part of

7115
04:49:44,480 --> 04:49:46,878
data centers, right? They're going to

7116
04:49:46,878 --> 04:49:48,718
waste water. And I think we know about

7117
04:49:48,718 --> 04:49:51,760
that that reality of that through our

7118
04:49:51,760 --> 04:49:54,480
research of many other facilities that

7119
04:49:54,480 --> 04:49:57,520
old facilities do use excessive amounts

7120
04:49:57,520 --> 04:50:00,400
of water. So for the compute

7121
04:50:00,400 --> 04:50:02,638
infrastructure,

7122
04:50:02,638 --> 04:50:04,160
that's what this is for. And so if we

7123
04:50:04,160 --> 04:50:05,600
need to spell that out better, we can

7124
04:50:05,600 --> 04:50:06,400
and we should.

7125
04:50:06,400 --> 04:50:07,760
>> Is there Yeah. Is there a number that

7126
04:50:07,760 --> 04:50:09,040
you're more comfortable with?

7127
04:50:09,040 --> 04:50:10,798
>> I just don't I just didn't understand a

7128
04:50:10,798 --> 04:50:11,680
million. Like

7129
04:50:11,680 --> 04:50:13,360
>> if we're giving you a buffer, I don't

7130
04:50:13,360 --> 04:50:15,120
know what difference between 750 and a

7131
04:50:15,120 --> 04:50:16,798
million is at that 50.

7132
04:50:16,798 --> 04:50:18,560
>> There's no difference. Yeah,

7133
04:50:18,560 --> 04:50:20,000
>> there's no difference between a million

7134
04:50:20,000 --> 04:50:22,798
and 6 million. It's a 23 acre site.

7135
04:50:22,798 --> 04:50:25,680
>> A million gallons a year is

7136
04:50:25,680 --> 04:50:27,920
>> insignificant to a 23 acre site.

7137
04:50:27,920 --> 04:50:30,080
>> But I think the point to residents

7138
04:50:30,080 --> 04:50:32,480
questions to us is we're assuming they

7139
04:50:32,480 --> 04:50:35,360
should they should know that in in some

7140
04:50:35,360 --> 04:50:36,718
way.

7141
04:50:36,718 --> 04:50:39,840
>> The the paragraph above does.

7142
04:50:39,840 --> 04:50:41,920
>> Well,

7143
04:50:41,920 --> 04:50:45,200
not assuming them. I'm I'm assuming the

7144
04:50:45,200 --> 04:50:45,680
>> them

7145
04:50:45,680 --> 04:50:46,480
>> the resident.

7146
04:50:46,480 --> 04:50:46,798
>> Okay.

7147
04:50:46,798 --> 04:50:48,160
>> The resident

7148
04:50:48,160 --> 04:50:50,080
>> the question of where's the water coming

7149
04:50:50,080 --> 04:50:50,480
from?

7150
04:50:50,480 --> 04:50:51,040
>> Sure.

7151
04:50:51,040 --> 04:50:53,760
>> It's the same place mine and your water

7152
04:50:53,760 --> 04:50:56,560
is coming from. We have rights to that

7153
04:50:56,560 --> 04:50:59,280
water. And I guess my assurity to the

7154
04:50:59,280 --> 04:51:02,160
residents in that vein is

7155
04:51:02,160 --> 04:51:05,200
just like the example I gave of of of a

7156
04:51:05,200 --> 04:51:07,760
little old lady having a leak and using

7157
04:51:07,760 --> 04:51:10,718
too much water. We can find that stuff

7158
04:51:10,718 --> 04:51:13,280
out as well. It's not like there's an

7159
04:51:13,280 --> 04:51:16,000
unlimited source of water that someone

7160
04:51:16,000 --> 04:51:19,040
can have, this applicant or you in your

7161
04:51:19,040 --> 04:51:24,080
house. Uh you you you would be you could

7162
04:51:24,080 --> 04:51:26,798
be shut off. And so I guess that's the

7163
04:51:26,798 --> 04:51:31,040
fall back that I want to be on too. This

7164
04:51:31,040 --> 04:51:32,878
is what they're saying. That's what we

7165
04:51:32,878 --> 04:51:35,200
could hold them to. There could be more

7166
04:51:35,200 --> 04:51:38,320
rights than that to it, but but we are

7167
04:51:38,320 --> 04:51:40,798
the city that does provide that water

7168
04:51:40,798 --> 04:51:44,718
>> and it is metered and so it is you don't

7169
04:51:44,718 --> 04:51:46,878
pay your water bill, you'll find out you

7170
04:51:46,878 --> 04:51:49,440
could get your water shut off as well.

7171
04:51:49,440 --> 04:51:52,240
So it water can be shut off.

7172
04:51:52,240 --> 04:51:54,240
I think the intent of this paragraph has

7173
04:51:54,240 --> 04:51:57,120
been to specifically identify and limit

7174
04:51:57,120 --> 04:52:00,320
data compute water which has a cap that

7175
04:52:00,320 --> 04:52:01,920
I don't think any other

7176
04:52:01,920 --> 04:52:04,878
>> water user in the city has a cap.

7177
04:52:04,878 --> 04:52:07,120
>> So your industrial areas, industrial

7178
04:52:07,120 --> 04:52:07,920
businesses.

7179
04:52:07,920 --> 04:52:09,600
>> Yeah, we could we could name a number of

7180
04:52:09,600 --> 04:52:10,160
businesses.

7181
04:52:10,160 --> 04:52:11,600
>> They don't have a cap. They have

7182
04:52:11,600 --> 04:52:13,600
>> they have a meter that's this big or that big

7183
04:52:13,600 --> 04:52:14,638
>> and they pay for that water.

7184
04:52:14,638 --> 04:52:15,920
>> Yep. And they consume the water that

7185
04:52:15,920 --> 04:52:17,440
they pay for the water they consume.

7186
04:52:17,440 --> 04:52:20,080
State law requires that they they

7187
04:52:20,080 --> 04:52:22,560
publicly disclose and show what their

7188
04:52:22,560 --> 04:52:24,080
water usage is every year.

7189
04:52:24,080 --> 04:52:24,958
>> These guys

7190
04:52:24,958 --> 04:52:29,280
>> any any large scale data center

7191
04:52:29,280 --> 04:52:29,680
users

7192
04:52:29,680 --> 04:52:31,440
>> the code and so would the development

7193
04:52:31,440 --> 04:52:33,280
>> data center users have to show what

7194
04:52:33,280 --> 04:52:35,120
their water usage is every year.

7195
04:52:35,120 --> 04:52:37,280
>> So again you guys can debate this. So

7196
04:52:37,280 --> 04:52:40,560
let me just finish with

7197
04:52:40,560 --> 04:52:41,520
there are [clears throat] limits here

7198
04:52:41,520 --> 04:52:43,600
and I think you need to you need to set

7199
04:52:43,600 --> 04:52:45,200
those numbers. you know what they've

7200
04:52:45,200 --> 04:52:48,160
said for compute infrastructure

7201
04:52:48,160 --> 04:52:49,840
>> then make sure you're clear on

7202
04:52:49,840 --> 04:52:51,120
>> that you're okay with these numbers

7203
04:52:51,120 --> 04:52:52,798
being the code but we're not comfortable

7204
04:52:52,798 --> 04:52:54,320
with putting air quality numbers in the

7205
04:52:54,320 --> 04:52:54,798
code

7206
04:52:54,798 --> 04:52:56,958
>> I understand water numbers

7207
04:52:56,958 --> 04:52:59,440
>> there's still a number measure against

7208
04:52:59,440 --> 04:53:04,400
>> I don't I are you below or above a Jesse

7209
04:53:04,400 --> 04:53:05,840
>> it's so much easier to measure gallons

7210
04:53:05,840 --> 04:53:07,680
than it is knocks in the air

7211
04:53:07,680 --> 04:53:08,718
>> but if we're going to put one set of

7212
04:53:08,718 --> 04:53:10,320
numbers why not put all of them

7213
04:53:10,320 --> 04:53:12,160
>> because I can't measure knocks

7214
04:53:12,160 --> 04:53:14,240
>> you don't have a meter there's no way to

7215
04:53:14,240 --> 04:53:16,400
measure knocks like there is meters in a

7216
04:53:16,400 --> 04:53:18,718
water glove.

7217
04:53:18,718 --> 04:53:22,320
It's it's a it's a it's your argument.

7218
04:53:22,320 --> 04:53:23,680
That's that's good enough.

7219
04:53:23,680 --> 04:53:25,600
>> I I

7220
04:53:25,600 --> 04:53:27,840
lean towards Jesse's suggestion of maybe

7221
04:53:27,840 --> 04:53:29,440
let's drop the million down a little

7222
04:53:29,440 --> 04:53:30,160
bit.

7223
04:53:30,160 --> 04:53:32,160
>> I don't care. Whatever. Million is not

7224
04:53:32,160 --> 04:53:34,080
enough. Million is not a lot.

7225
04:53:34,080 --> 04:53:35,440
>> They are not proposing anything close to

7226
04:53:35,440 --> 04:53:36,000
a million.

7227
04:53:36,000 --> 04:53:38,160
>> 999 looks a lot better than 100.

7228
04:53:38,160 --> 04:53:39,840
>> I would say 600 and 300.

7229
04:53:39,840 --> 04:53:40,400
>> You buying it?

7230
04:53:40,400 --> 04:53:42,480
>> Yeah. Why not 600 and 300? There you go.

7231
04:53:42,480 --> 04:53:44,798
That's That's 300.

7232
04:53:44,798 --> 04:53:45,680
>> Perfect.

7233
04:53:45,680 --> 04:53:46,560
>> Two is six.

7234
04:53:46,560 --> 04:53:49,670
>> Okay.

7235
04:53:49,680 --> 04:53:51,120
» I guess the point I'm trying to get

7236
04:53:51,120 --> 04:53:56,000
across is th this is uh if if if their

7237
04:53:56,000 --> 04:53:58,240
system if their design if their project

7238
04:53:58,240 --> 04:54:01,120
didn't prove out the water usage that

7239
04:54:01,120 --> 04:54:04,798
they're saying we it will take. I guess

7240
04:54:04,798 --> 04:54:06,878
I want the residents to know and be

7241
04:54:06,878 --> 04:54:10,958
clear that that isn't that isn't a pipe

7242
04:54:10,958 --> 04:54:13,280
we don't have control of. It is a pipe

7243
04:54:13,280 --> 04:54:16,080
that we could say you've used it, it's

7244
04:54:16,080 --> 04:54:17,600
off or you didn't pay it.

7245
04:54:17,600 --> 04:54:18,718
>> Well, it's off.

7246
04:54:18,718 --> 04:54:19,840
>> And

7247
04:54:19,840 --> 04:54:21,760
>> your data center water use is very

7248
04:54:21,760 --> 04:54:23,760
different than your exterior water use

7249
04:54:23,760 --> 04:54:25,040
and that you're going to be able to know

7250
04:54:25,040 --> 04:54:26,958
monthtomonth better what your use is

7251
04:54:26,958 --> 04:54:29,520
than you are outside with. Yeah.

7252
04:54:29,520 --> 04:54:31,520
>> And so if you're looking at your

7253
04:54:31,520 --> 04:54:33,440
interior water use, you're looking at a

7254
04:54:33,440 --> 04:54:36,000
rolling 12 months and you're going to

7255
04:54:36,000 --> 04:54:38,638
know well in advance if you're going to

7256
04:54:38,638 --> 04:54:43,440
be exceeding in six more months that limit that we've put in place. And

7257
04:54:43,440 --> 04:54:45,680
so at that point you can start to

7258
04:54:45,680 --> 04:54:47,520
address it and say, "Okay, we got six

7259
04:54:47,520 --> 04:54:50,000
months to figure out how do we how do we

7260
04:54:50,000 --> 04:54:53,360
remedy this?"

7261
04:54:53,360 --> 04:54:54,798
>> And they're using a ton of water on that

7262
04:54:54,798 --> 04:54:57,040
site right now for landscaping.

7263
04:54:57,040 --> 04:54:59,520
>> Yeah. Get rid of that grass. Yeah. Yeah.

7264
04:54:59,520 --> 04:55:01,920
Get to water wise

7265
04:55:01,920 --> 04:55:05,040
>> because this is an existing site in the

7266
04:55:05,040 --> 04:55:07,760
development agreement. We are proposing

7267
04:55:07,760 --> 04:55:11,360
not to give them a meter specifically

7268
04:55:11,360 --> 04:55:14,718
from the water system to the compute

7269
04:55:14,718 --> 04:55:17,120
infrastructure but rather to have an

7270
04:55:17,120 --> 04:55:19,600
internal or submeter

7271
04:55:19,600 --> 04:55:22,320
after the after the main meter. So they

7272
04:55:22,320 --> 04:55:24,000
have a 4-inch water meter that feeds the

7273
04:55:24,000 --> 04:55:26,240
site. We we're proposing that they have

7274
04:55:26,240 --> 04:55:28,480
a submeter on the inside and this pipe

7275
04:55:28,480 --> 04:55:30,638
goes to the compute uh

7276
04:55:30,638 --> 04:55:31,920
>> that would be measured all of the

7277
04:55:31,920 --> 04:55:33,280
compute would be measurable

7278
04:55:33,280 --> 04:55:35,840
>> totally and only measured by this meter.

7279
04:55:35,840 --> 04:55:37,440
I think one of the reasons why we don't

7280
04:55:37,440 --> 04:55:39,840
want to have a new meter is we don't

7281
04:55:39,840 --> 04:55:41,360
want them to have a new connection.

7282
04:55:41,360 --> 04:55:41,920
>> Yeah.

7283
04:55:41,920 --> 04:55:43,920
>> Uh they've already got a connection and

7284
04:55:43,920 --> 04:55:45,840
a new connection brings with it new

7285
04:55:45,840 --> 04:55:47,680
water resources and we don't want from

7286
04:55:47,680 --> 04:55:48,878
our perspective we don't want them to

7287
04:55:48,878 --> 04:55:50,560
have new additional water resources.

7288
04:55:50,560 --> 04:55:52,638
>> Yeah. I think the concern for me and

7289
04:55:52,638 --> 04:55:55,120
probably most residents is the water

7290
04:55:55,120 --> 04:55:56,878
being used for the community. Not the

7291
04:55:56,878 --> 04:55:58,958
exterior, not the office water. It's how

7292
04:55:58,958 --> 04:56:01,760
much water are they consuming for

7293
04:56:01,760 --> 04:56:02,718
cooling.

7294
04:56:02,718 --> 04:56:04,400
>> And what you just heard there, you're

7295
04:56:04,400 --> 04:56:06,480
going to have a submeter.

7296
04:56:06,480 --> 04:56:07,280
>> Yeah.

7297
04:56:07,280 --> 04:56:08,160
>> Directly for that.

7298
04:56:08,160 --> 04:56:08,958
>> For that,

7299
04:56:08,958 --> 04:56:16,550
>> you're going to be able to know that.

7300
04:56:16,560 --> 04:56:20,320
come a long way from the questions of

7301
04:56:20,320 --> 04:56:23,840
some people thought the sleeve in the

7302
04:56:23,840 --> 04:56:26,160
pipe coming down the canyon was for

7303
04:56:26,160 --> 04:56:31,110
them. It's not. It's not.

7304
04:56:31,120 --> 04:56:36,798
Um, okay. So, Vaughn talked about in 13.

7305
04:56:36,798 --> 04:56:38,958
That's where the chemical part that I

7306
04:56:38,958 --> 04:56:43,520
think I think is is an important part um

7307
04:56:43,520 --> 04:56:48,868
of uh

7308
04:56:48,878 --> 04:56:50,958
» eth not ethylene glycol.

7309
04:56:50,958 --> 04:56:51,440
>> Yeah.

7310
04:56:51,440 --> 04:56:53,040
>> It's uh the other glycol

7311
04:56:53,040 --> 04:56:53,760
>> propyline.

7312
04:56:53,760 --> 04:56:54,718
>> Propylene.

7313
04:56:54,718 --> 04:56:56,878
>> Yeah. Which is biodegradable. Something

7314
04:56:56,878 --> 04:56:59,040
I learned. Don't ask me about my

7315
04:56:59,040 --> 04:57:00,480
glycols. I don't know.

7316
04:57:00,480 --> 04:57:01,760
>> Yeah. Okay.

7317
04:57:01,760 --> 04:57:04,958
>> But there was a question about um if it

7318
04:57:04,958 --> 04:57:08,000
was needed to be drained. Uh, where does

7319
04:57:08,000 --> 04:57:11,280
that stuff go? Um, somebody said up

7320
04:57:11,280 --> 04:57:13,120
north, I guess. I don't know where those

7321
04:57:13,120 --> 04:57:16,080
facilities are, but there's places.

7322
04:57:16,080 --> 04:57:16,798
Um,

7323
04:57:16,798 --> 04:57:18,000
>> I don't know who they called. They might

7324
04:57:18,000 --> 04:57:20,798
have called the

7325
04:57:20,798 --> 04:57:24,000
public works folks. I mean, there's

7326
04:57:24,000 --> 04:57:25,360
>> It has to be handled according to

7327
04:57:25,360 --> 04:57:27,840
federal, state, and federal regulations.

7328
04:57:27,840 --> 04:57:29,600
>> I think that's an important part of that

7329
04:57:29,600 --> 04:57:32,798
first uh boxes that we were looking at

7330
04:57:32,798 --> 04:57:34,638
that had all the check marks. You guys

7331
04:57:34,638 --> 04:57:37,440
are heavily regulated. uh by federal

7332
04:57:37,440 --> 04:57:40,080
regulations too and that stuff can't go

7333
04:57:40,080 --> 04:57:44,080
in places except to where it can go.

7334
04:57:44,080 --> 04:57:45,760
>> Yeah, there's I mean there's really two

7335
04:57:45,760 --> 04:57:47,360
scenes. First of all, it's it will be

7336
04:57:47,360 --> 04:57:49,120
very infrequent.

7337
04:57:49,120 --> 04:57:54,560
Um second, it is uh pumped out and into

7338
04:57:54,560 --> 04:57:56,798
an on-site

7339
04:57:56,798 --> 04:58:01,600
um truck effectively with large tank. So

7340
04:58:01,600 --> 04:58:03,600
some of you know if we're ever having to

7341
04:58:03,600 --> 04:58:05,920
treat or

7342
04:58:05,920 --> 04:58:09,840
um clean water in some way in some cases

7343
04:58:09,840 --> 04:58:12,240
we're just taking it out. We are we are

7344
04:58:12,240 --> 04:58:15,760
pumping it and we're replacing it. So

7345
04:58:15,760 --> 04:58:18,160
scenario where we're disposing of it

7346
04:58:18,160 --> 04:58:21,040
would be even more rare. But in that

7347
04:58:21,040 --> 04:58:22,480
case, it would be pumped. It would be

7348
04:58:22,480 --> 04:58:23,760
trucked to wherever we're supposed to

7349
04:58:23,760 --> 04:58:26,080
take it and follow whatever kind of

7350
04:58:26,080 --> 04:58:28,718
disposal requirement, whether it's a I

7351
04:58:28,718 --> 04:58:31,200
don't know where the facility is, but

7352
04:58:31,200 --> 04:58:34,160
we'll go to where it is and we'll do,

7353
04:58:34,160 --> 04:58:36,958
you know, we'll dispose per state

7354
04:58:36,958 --> 04:58:39,042
requirements.

7355
04:58:39,042 --> 04:58:40,878
[snorts]

7356
04:58:40,878 --> 04:58:43,520
>> Questions about that?

7357
04:58:43,520 --> 04:58:45,200
>> I'm just reading what's in the code. I

7358
04:58:45,200 --> 04:58:47,840
feel like it covers

7359
04:58:47,840 --> 04:58:49,840
any concerns that I've seen here with

7360
04:58:49,840 --> 04:58:53,120
the type of glycol that's being used.

7361
04:58:53,120 --> 04:58:56,080
Um, facility shall develop a spill

7362
04:58:56,080 --> 04:58:58,560
response plan that employs active 247

7363
04:58:58,560 --> 04:59:01,360
containment, leak detection, spill

7364
04:59:01,360 --> 04:59:03,440
prevention, shut off, control drainage,

7365
04:59:03,440 --> 04:59:06,240
and emergency response measures required

7366
04:59:06,240 --> 04:59:08,560
by applicable city, state, and federal

7367
04:59:08,560 --> 04:59:10,638
law and permits. I mean,

7368
04:59:10,638 --> 04:59:12,560
>> now I guess the part that I'll add in

7369
04:59:12,560 --> 04:59:16,958
there really quick because this is something we know too.

7370
04:59:16,958 --> 04:59:19,680
Our our technology at our waste transfer

7371
04:59:19,680 --> 04:59:21,360
station

7372
04:59:21,360 --> 04:59:26,240
uh could give it gave us uh COVID traces

7373
04:59:26,240 --> 04:59:29,200
of where how much of that we knew,

7374
04:59:29,200 --> 04:59:30,798
right? I mean, that's some of the best

7375
04:59:30,798 --> 04:59:32,718
technology ever. So again, I guess the

7376
04:59:32,718 --> 04:59:35,840
assurance to residents is is that if

7377
04:59:35,840 --> 04:59:38,560
something was ever put in our treatment

7378
04:59:38,560 --> 04:59:41,120
plant that shouldn't be there,

7379
04:59:41,120 --> 04:59:43,520
>> um our engineer isn't here that loves

7380
04:59:43,520 --> 04:59:45,600
the sewer treatment plant, but Seth does

7381
04:59:45,600 --> 04:59:48,320
and we can find out where that is. Not

7382
04:59:48,320 --> 04:59:51,520
again accusing anybody of being bad

7383
04:59:51,520 --> 04:59:54,240
actors, but trust and verify there. We

7384
04:59:54,240 --> 04:59:55,840
do have the most up-to-date sewer

7385
04:59:55,840 --> 04:59:58,480
treatment plant that if wastewater and

7386
04:59:58,480 --> 05:00:00,320
storm water wasn't compliant, we would

7387
05:00:00,320 --> 05:00:03,440
know that if it's not compliant.

7388
05:00:03,440 --> 05:00:07,430
>> Makes sense.

7389
05:00:07,440 --> 05:00:10,160
» Okay. Uh emergency response and public

7390
05:00:10,160 --> 05:00:13,200
safety. Um

7391
05:00:13,200 --> 05:00:16,480
>> Mike, back up to that one a little bit.

7392
05:00:16,480 --> 05:00:20,480
the the backs stop of 13 is the fact

7393
05:00:20,480 --> 05:00:23,200
that we've limit them to an amount of

7394
05:00:23,200 --> 05:00:25,600
water a year.

7395
05:00:25,600 --> 05:00:28,400
>> So if they're discharging

7396
05:00:28,400 --> 05:00:30,400
all of their

7397
05:00:30,400 --> 05:00:31,440
coolant

7398
05:00:31,440 --> 05:00:32,638
>> into the storm drain,

7399
05:00:32,638 --> 05:00:33,680
>> they're using their

7400
05:00:33,680 --> 05:00:34,878
>> use more.

7401
05:00:34,878 --> 05:00:38,560
>> Yeah. So it there's many cases in the in

7402
05:00:38,560 --> 05:00:40,878
the code that it doesn't specifically

7403
05:00:40,878 --> 05:00:43,440
say X, but it's backs stop by Y and you

7404
05:00:43,440 --> 05:00:45,520
can't comply with air quality if you

7405
05:00:45,520 --> 05:00:47,600
have if you're generating 600 megawatts

7406
05:00:47,600 --> 05:00:48,560
of power. Great.

7407
05:00:48,560 --> 05:00:49,760
>> So I mean it's just

7408
05:00:49,760 --> 05:00:51,520
>> there's several of those spots that are

7409
05:00:51,520 --> 05:00:52,320
redundant in here.

7410
05:00:52,320 --> 05:00:54,400
>> That's a good point, but catches it in

7411
05:00:54,400 --> 05:00:56,400
multiple ways.

7412
05:00:56,400 --> 05:00:58,240
>> Can I ask about water in the exhaust

7413
05:00:58,240 --> 05:01:00,638
stream on behalf of

7414
05:01:00,638 --> 05:01:02,160
>> resident

7415
05:01:02,160 --> 05:01:03,440
>> meaning steam?

7416
05:01:03,440 --> 05:01:05,360
>> Yes. vented into atmosphere not

7417
05:01:05,360 --> 05:01:09,600
condensed and discharged. So exhaust

7418
05:01:09,600 --> 05:01:13,040
>> yeah in the exhaust stream.

7419
05:01:13,040 --> 05:01:15,760
>> Does that make sense? What about the

7420
05:01:15,760 --> 05:01:18,400
water in the exhaust stream vented into

7421
05:01:18,400 --> 05:01:20,958
atmosphere not condensed and discharged

7422
05:01:20,958 --> 05:01:23,760
>> and water creates? So this is one of the

7423
05:01:23,760 --> 05:01:26,638
um outputs of the bloom technology is

7424
05:01:26,638 --> 05:01:30,480
that it does have create water or has

7425
05:01:30,480 --> 05:01:32,878
excess water and it vents it out through

7426
05:01:32,878 --> 05:01:35,760
the exhaust system and then that just is

7427
05:01:35,760 --> 05:01:38,160
condensation that goes into the air and

7428
05:01:38,160 --> 05:01:41,040
turns into clouds and becomes rain.

7429
05:01:41,040 --> 05:01:43,120
>> So we're going to get more water

7430
05:01:43,120 --> 05:01:46,240
>> potentially. So yeah, it's just it's

7431
05:01:46,240 --> 05:01:48,480
just part of the chemical reaction with

7432
05:01:48,480 --> 05:01:51,360
the fuel cell. So that doesn't and that

7433
05:01:51,360 --> 05:01:53,120
does yeah it has nothing to do with the

7434
05:01:53,120 --> 05:01:54,878
coolant. So that's just speaking about

7435
05:01:54,878 --> 05:01:57,280
the chemical reaction with bloom and

7436
05:01:57,280 --> 05:02:00,718
that that that water is evaporated.

7437
05:02:00,718 --> 05:02:02,320
>> So is it visible?

7438
05:02:02,320 --> 05:02:02,798
>> No.

7439
05:02:02,798 --> 05:02:03,360
>> Okay.

7440
05:02:03,360 --> 05:02:06,160
>> It could be. I mean steam freezes in the

7441
05:02:06,160 --> 05:02:06,878
winter time.

7442
05:02:06,878 --> 05:02:08,798
>> In the winter time it might be a

7443
05:02:08,798 --> 05:02:10,878
>> might have a little steam.

7444
05:02:10,878 --> 05:02:11,520
>> Just steam.

7445
05:02:11,520 --> 05:02:12,958
>> Yeah. drive down the freeway in the

7446
05:02:12,958 --> 05:02:14,878
winter time and and pay attention next

7447
05:02:14,878 --> 05:02:18,480
time uh to the the large power plant

7448
05:02:18,480 --> 05:02:20,400
that's there and you'll see you'll see

7449
05:02:20,400 --> 05:02:23,360
steam rising uh from the power plant

7450
05:02:23,360 --> 05:02:27,120
that's generating Rocky Mountain Power

7451
05:02:27,120 --> 05:02:28,798
uh Rocky Mountain Power Facility and

7452
05:02:28,798 --> 05:02:30,320
Vineyard and you'll just you'll see

7453
05:02:30,320 --> 05:02:31,840
steam a lot of people look at that and

7454
05:02:31,840 --> 05:02:35,280
think it's smoke. It's just water and it

7455
05:02:35,280 --> 05:02:37,680
just rises.

7456
05:02:37,680 --> 05:02:39,040
>> But that's an important point that I

7457
05:02:39,040 --> 05:02:41,520
think John just said there.

7458
05:02:41,520 --> 05:02:43,040
which I didn't make that distinction.

7459
05:02:43,040 --> 05:02:45,200
It's not the coolant part of that. The

7460
05:02:45,200 --> 05:02:47,280
coolant is in the lines. That's that's

7461
05:02:47,280 --> 05:02:49,600
staying in the lines. That is the

7462
05:02:49,600 --> 05:02:52,400
chemical reaction and water vapor coming

7463
05:02:52,400 --> 05:02:55,440
up and out, not mixed with that coolant.

7464
05:02:55,440 --> 05:02:57,360
>> That's an important point.

7465
05:02:57,360 --> 05:02:58,958
>> I mean, we could get we could get our

7466
05:02:58,958 --> 05:03:01,840
OKM hats on, right? And talk about the

7467
05:03:01,840 --> 05:03:04,560
separating of molecules between

7468
05:03:04,560 --> 05:03:06,000
>> who's we.

7469
05:03:06,000 --> 05:03:07,520
>> Look, you can't just be the only nerd

7470
05:03:07,520 --> 05:03:09,920
here. Like, I can get my OEM hat on.

7471
05:03:09,920 --> 05:03:12,400
>> Okay. What did you get open though?

7472
05:03:12,400 --> 05:03:14,798
>> I got a grade well enough to pass.

7473
05:03:14,798 --> 05:03:15,520
>> Let me just ask.

7474
05:03:15,520 --> 05:03:16,240
>> Everyone did.

7475
05:03:16,240 --> 05:03:18,080
>> There's two different systems. So you

7476
05:03:18,080 --> 05:03:20,560
have the bloom cells taking in natural

7477
05:03:20,560 --> 05:03:23,840
gas and creating energy. And then the

7478
05:03:23,840 --> 05:03:25,360
chips are going to need cooling because

7479
05:03:25,360 --> 05:03:27,280
they're creating heat. And so we have

7480
05:03:27,280 --> 05:03:28,160
this

7481
05:03:28,160 --> 05:03:30,080
>> closed loop cooling system that's much

7482
05:03:30,080 --> 05:03:31,760
like a radiator in your car that's doing

7483
05:03:31,760 --> 05:03:34,000
this function. Those two systems are not

7484
05:03:34,000 --> 05:03:35,520
interchanged. That water is not

7485
05:03:35,520 --> 05:03:38,878
interchange. Those are two separate um

7486
05:03:38,878 --> 05:03:42,160
processes where water is used and then

7487
05:03:42,160 --> 05:03:44,638
exported from the bloom units.

7488
05:03:44,638 --> 05:03:47,360
>> And the emissions from the bloom units

7489
05:03:47,360 --> 05:03:50,958
if there was any NOx or PM 2.5 or

7490
05:03:50,958 --> 05:03:52,718
whatever is accounted for in the air

7491
05:03:52,718 --> 05:03:53,600
quality permit.

7492
05:03:53,600 --> 05:03:54,320
>> There would be

7493
05:03:54,320 --> 05:03:57,360
>> that's what's being measured.

7494
05:03:57,360 --> 05:03:58,878
>> Even if it's in the water vapor,

7495
05:03:58,878 --> 05:03:59,280
>> right?

7496
05:03:59,280 --> 05:04:01,760
>> Do we see any reason emergency response

7497
05:04:01,760 --> 05:04:03,520
public safety? Is it any different?

7498
05:04:03,520 --> 05:04:05,760
Seth, would you say we've lost our

7499
05:04:05,760 --> 05:04:06,560
chiefs?

7500
05:04:06,560 --> 05:04:10,160
>> We had them review that today and um

7501
05:04:10,160 --> 05:04:13,520
they had no concerns with that. The only

7502
05:04:13,520 --> 05:04:15,600
thing that they did ask for I think we

7503
05:04:15,600 --> 05:04:18,638
put in back in 13

7504
05:04:18,638 --> 05:04:23,600
um and and so that was that was the the

7505
05:04:23,600 --> 05:04:24,798
only issue that they raised. They

7506
05:04:24,798 --> 05:04:28,000
appreciated the thoughtful review that

7507
05:04:28,000 --> 05:04:29,840
went in there. So, no issues from public

7508
05:04:29,840 --> 05:04:33,040
safety on on these everywhere that it

7509
05:04:33,040 --> 05:04:37,200
says fire marshall or fire code. They reviewed that and and gave it a

7510
05:04:37,200 --> 05:04:38,320
thumbs up.

7511
05:04:38,320 --> 05:04:41,830
>> Okay.

7512
05:04:41,840 --> 05:04:42,958
Safety personnel.

7513
05:04:42,958 --> 05:04:45,120
>> Yeah. Both Jason and Chief Hails.

7514
05:04:45,120 --> 05:04:47,680
>> Okay. Perfect. Again, decommissioning

7515
05:04:47,680 --> 05:04:49,440
and financial assurance. I think this

7516
05:04:49,440 --> 05:04:50,718
has been a good question coming from

7517
05:04:50,718 --> 05:04:52,320
residents as well. Any

7518
05:04:52,320 --> 05:04:53,840
>> Jack is way behind here.

7519
05:04:53,840 --> 05:04:57,760
>> Oh, sorry. Come on.

7520
05:04:57,760 --> 05:04:58,560
16.

7521
05:04:58,560 --> 05:05:00,638
>> Yeah. I think um in the last paragraph

7522
05:05:00,638 --> 05:05:02,480
of 16 that we changed that may to a

7523
05:05:02,480 --> 05:05:05,600
shall. So city shall require financial

7524
05:05:05,600 --> 05:05:07,440
assurance.

7525
05:05:07,440 --> 05:05:09,520
>> So the city shall require financial

7526
05:05:09,520 --> 05:05:11,680
assurance instead of may.

7527
05:05:11,680 --> 05:05:13,280
>> So we get a bond basically.

7528
05:05:13,280 --> 05:05:14,638
>> Okay. Yeah.

7529
05:05:14,638 --> 05:05:16,958
>> We get what bond? Sorry, can I hear you?

7530
05:05:16,958 --> 05:05:17,440
>> A bond.

7531
05:05:17,440 --> 05:05:19,120
>> So we get a bond to cover the

7532
05:05:19,120 --> 05:05:20,080
decommissioning.

7533
05:05:20,080 --> 05:05:21,520
>> There would be a bond.

7534
05:05:21,520 --> 05:05:23,120
>> That's what that's saying. Yeah. I I

7535
05:05:23,120 --> 05:05:25,520
believe that originated from Valition to

7536
05:05:25,520 --> 05:05:27,360
begin with if I'm not mistaken. Is that

7537
05:05:27,360 --> 05:05:29,200
right?

7538
05:05:29,200 --> 05:05:31,440
>> Well, they set a plan before the

7539
05:05:31,440 --> 05:05:32,958
decommissioning plan.

7540
05:05:32,958 --> 05:05:34,878
>> Do we know how much that bond will be

7541
05:05:34,878 --> 05:05:37,840
for the decommission?

7542
05:05:37,840 --> 05:05:39,360
>> I don't know what it would have to be

7543
05:05:39,360 --> 05:05:40,878
based on the plan. Um

7544
05:05:40,878 --> 05:05:41,360
>> yeah,

7545
05:05:41,360 --> 05:05:44,718
>> we typically do 100% plus another

7546
05:05:44,718 --> 05:05:49,200
percent, right? like 110% or 125%

7547
05:05:49,200 --> 05:05:57,350
whatever that estimated cost is.

7548
05:05:57,360 --> 05:06:00,480
» Okay. So, you can't that basically says

7549
05:06:00,480 --> 05:06:02,878
puts it in our code that you can't leave

7550
05:06:02,878 --> 05:06:05,440
it worse than you found it. You'd have

7551
05:06:05,440 --> 05:06:07,200
to decommission and take everything away

7552
05:06:07,200 --> 05:06:08,000
and

7553
05:06:08,000 --> 05:06:08,958
>> leave no trace.

7554
05:06:08,958 --> 05:06:10,400
>> Leave [clears throat] no trace. Boy

7555
05:06:10,400 --> 05:06:12,958
Scouts

7556
05:06:12,958 --> 05:06:15,840
>> or we call the bond and do it ourselves

7557
05:06:15,840 --> 05:06:17,600
>> or Yeah. or there's the money there to

7558
05:06:17,600 --> 05:06:18,160
do it.

7559
05:06:18,160 --> 05:06:20,400
>> I think it's worth noting this is not

7560
05:06:20,400 --> 05:06:22,480
something we do anywhere else.

7561
05:06:22,480 --> 05:06:23,120
>> Right.

7562
05:06:23,120 --> 05:06:25,600
Like there is no

7563
05:06:25,600 --> 05:06:28,798
>> if if so it's the property owner

7564
05:06:28,798 --> 05:06:30,560
typically whoever owns the property

7565
05:06:30,560 --> 05:06:32,400
after it's abandoned or whatever that

7566
05:06:32,400 --> 05:06:34,160
does the cleanup. And

7567
05:06:34,160 --> 05:06:37,440
>> this is very target stops being target

7568
05:06:37,440 --> 05:06:40,000
like Stacy turned her head towards me.

7569
05:06:40,000 --> 05:06:42,240
orth the building there before it

7570
05:06:42,240 --> 05:06:44,240
>> or the Target like Seth mentioned

7571
05:06:44,240 --> 05:06:46,560
earlier. Food food for Less. How long

7572
05:06:46,560 --> 05:06:47,760
was Food for Less there?

7573
05:06:47,760 --> 05:06:49,920
>> 10 or 15 years. Roller Derby rink,

7574
05:06:49,920 --> 05:06:50,638
>> right?

7575
05:06:50,638 --> 05:06:51,120
>> That one.

7576
05:06:51,120 --> 05:06:52,320
>> Oh, yeah.

7577
05:06:52,320 --> 05:06:54,000
>> Um, Springdale just went through the

7578
05:06:54,000 --> 05:06:55,200
same issue with that one.

7579
05:06:55,200 --> 05:06:57,200
>> Yeah. And and that happens that happens

7580
05:06:57,200 --> 05:06:59,200
regularly. Right. So, this is this is

7581
05:06:59,200 --> 05:07:00,240
extremely unique.

7582
05:07:00,240 --> 05:07:02,638
>> Unique and I would say an improvement. I

7583
05:07:02,638 --> 05:07:04,560
don't know when the sugar beat plant was

7584
05:07:04,560 --> 05:07:06,718
built, but a decommissioning would make

7585
05:07:06,718 --> 05:07:12,000
that so it's not vandalized and in yeah

7586
05:07:12,000 --> 05:07:12,638
right now

7587
05:07:12,638 --> 05:07:14,560
>> this goes directly to

7588
05:07:14,560 --> 05:07:15,440
>> responding

7589
05:07:15,440 --> 05:07:18,000
>> what happens if they're unsuccessful

7590
05:07:18,000 --> 05:07:21,040
>> yep this is open that question

7591
05:07:21,040 --> 05:07:24,000
>> why are we the guinea pig well here are

7592
05:07:24,000 --> 05:07:26,000
the protections in place and if they

7593
05:07:26,000 --> 05:07:27,520
aren't successful because of whatever

7594
05:07:27,520 --> 05:07:28,480
reason

7595
05:07:28,480 --> 05:07:29,680
>> the city's not on the hook

7596
05:07:29,680 --> 05:07:31,120
>> we're not on the hook the citizen is not

7597
05:07:31,120 --> 05:07:33,040
on the hook to decommission it

7598
05:07:33,040 --> 05:07:33,680
>> right

7599
05:07:33,680 --> 05:07:36,160
>> and this group I think the plan is to

7600
05:07:36,160 --> 05:07:38,480
buy it right and the purchase price

7601
05:07:38,480 --> 05:07:40,160
isn't in a small amount. So, they're

7602
05:07:40,160 --> 05:07:41,360
going to be motivated to do something

7603
05:07:41,360 --> 05:07:43,680
else with the site.

7604
05:07:43,680 --> 05:07:45,840
>> So, if the data center doesn't work to

7605
05:07:45,840 --> 05:07:48,798
>> they're not going to show up one day.

7606
05:07:48,798 --> 05:07:50,000
>> They're just not going to show up one

7607
05:07:50,000 --> 05:07:52,080
day and and leave $4 billion worth of

7608
05:07:52,080 --> 05:07:53,280
equipment there. No, they're going to do

7609
05:07:53,280 --> 05:07:54,320
something with it.

7610
05:07:54,320 --> 05:07:58,638
>> Yeah. Yeah. But but that said,

7611
05:07:58,638 --> 05:08:00,878
the the shinsters that is that a word

7612
05:08:00,878 --> 05:08:02,400
the folks that they sell this to in the

7613
05:08:02,400 --> 05:08:04,718
future may not that you're going to sell

7614
05:08:04,718 --> 05:08:05,280
it.

7615
05:08:05,280 --> 05:08:06,400
>> Shinster.

7616
05:08:06,400 --> 05:08:09,040
>> There's a bad word. You mean like that's

7617
05:08:09,040 --> 05:08:09,600
the word?

7618
05:08:09,600 --> 05:08:10,400
>> Oh,

7619
05:08:10,400 --> 05:08:11,280
>> I almost said

7620
05:08:11,280 --> 05:08:13,040
>> I know what you almost said which is why

7621
05:08:13,040 --> 05:08:15,120
I was like

7622
05:08:15,120 --> 05:08:17,360
>> that camera would not have been fine. Um

7623
05:08:17,360 --> 05:08:20,000
>> cable cable rules do apply after

7624
05:08:20,000 --> 05:08:21,840
>> that's true. Thank you very much.

7625
05:08:21,840 --> 05:08:23,760
>> And we're a quarter after 11.

7626
05:08:23,760 --> 05:08:24,240
>> Yeah,

7627
05:08:24,240 --> 05:08:26,560
>> specifically concerned

7628
05:08:26,560 --> 05:08:29,830
>> chain

7629
05:08:29,840 --> 05:08:33,440
» and addressed. Next 17

7630
05:08:33,440 --> 05:08:35,360
>> successor owners and operators. I think

7631
05:08:35,360 --> 05:08:40,160
this has been discussed. This is good to codify I think as well.

7632
05:08:40,160 --> 05:08:42,400
>> Yeah. Everything stays on the property.

7633
05:08:42,400 --> 05:08:44,560
>> Whe whether whether it's a different

7634
05:08:44,560 --> 05:08:47,360
company they sell to that the agreement

7635
05:08:47,360 --> 05:08:48,560
is staying with the property.

7636
05:08:48,560 --> 05:08:50,400
>> Yeah.

7637
05:08:50,400 --> 05:08:52,798
>> Independent verification. We've added

7638
05:08:52,798 --> 05:08:56,240
some independence language. Fawn alluded

7639
05:08:56,240 --> 05:09:00,000
to this was coming up uh here, but I I

7640
05:09:00,000 --> 05:09:01,600
like that it's uh that it's its own

7641
05:09:01,600 --> 05:09:03,120
section, too. But we've added some

7642
05:09:03,120 --> 05:09:06,320
independent words in other places as far

7643
05:09:06,320 --> 05:09:11,200
as testing. Um but here here's where you

7644
05:09:11,200 --> 05:09:14,480
can hope you you have some level of of

7645
05:09:14,480 --> 05:09:16,958
trust, but verify again here that uh

7646
05:09:16,958 --> 05:09:19,920
that these are independent people, not

7647
05:09:19,920 --> 05:09:21,520
>> it's a third party. It's not hired by

7648
05:09:21,520 --> 05:09:23,280
us. It's not hired by you,

7649
05:09:23,280 --> 05:09:24,480
>> but it's somebody that looks at this

7650
05:09:24,480 --> 05:09:24,798
stuff

7651
05:09:24,798 --> 05:09:27,200
>> or or both. I mean, the more tests, the

7652
05:09:27,200 --> 05:09:29,200
marrier. If we have them [clears throat]

7653
05:09:29,200 --> 05:09:31,280
hire somebody and that person runs the

7654
05:09:31,280 --> 05:09:32,560
test and the city hires somebody,

7655
05:09:32,560 --> 05:09:33,360
>> you want to get one

7656
05:09:33,360 --> 05:09:36,718
>> and then you two tests to to review.

7657
05:09:36,718 --> 05:09:40,160
>> Not not something we we could not do. We

7658
05:09:40,160 --> 05:09:42,958
could we could certainly do that.

7659
05:09:42,958 --> 05:09:44,958
>> Material modifications,

7660
05:09:44,958 --> 05:09:47,920
uh, trying to to to encompass that, I

7661
05:09:47,920 --> 05:09:49,440
think, is an important thing here.

7662
05:09:49,440 --> 05:09:56,560
Again, some of these things aren't complete um on uh you know, on on

7663
05:09:56,560 --> 05:09:58,560
some of the the permits and different

7664
05:09:58,560 --> 05:10:02,480
things. Uh those material modifications

7665
05:10:02,480 --> 05:10:04,718
uh especially if after the fact they're

7666
05:10:04,718 --> 05:10:06,480
needing to change some of those things,

7667
05:10:06,480 --> 05:10:10,878
bring it back, bring it back here uh to

7668
05:10:10,878 --> 05:10:13,440
discuss if we're comfortable at all with

7669
05:10:13,440 --> 05:10:15,520
those material modifications. I got an

7670
05:10:15,520 --> 05:10:18,480
idea it might be the most

7671
05:10:18,480 --> 05:10:22,798
uh studied material modification ever if

7672
05:10:22,798 --> 05:10:24,718
it was if one was ever brought back. You

7673
05:10:24,718 --> 05:10:26,718
guys probably don't anticipate it, but

7674
05:10:26,718 --> 05:10:29,680
if it was, I think it would be in the

7675
05:10:29,680 --> 05:10:31,120
complete You think it will?

7676
05:10:31,120 --> 05:10:32,798
>> I think they're I think the Bloom

7677
05:10:32,798 --> 05:10:35,360
technology fuel will change over time

7678
05:10:35,360 --> 05:10:36,958
and they'll come back with a material

7679
05:10:36,958 --> 05:10:38,080
modification

7680
05:10:38,080 --> 05:10:38,560
>> possibly.

7681
05:10:38,560 --> 05:10:39,200
>> I agree.

7682
05:10:39,200 --> 05:10:39,680
>> Possibly.

7683
05:10:39,680 --> 05:10:40,718
>> Oh, yeah. Over time.

7684
05:10:40,718 --> 05:10:44,000
>> Or or Bloom goes away and it's an SMR. I

7685
05:10:44,000 --> 05:10:46,240
mean, it could be anything.

7686
05:10:46,240 --> 05:10:46,638
>> Yeah.

7687
05:10:46,638 --> 05:10:47,600
>> Oh, dare you, Kevin.

7688
05:10:47,600 --> 05:10:50,080
>> I think whatever it'll be will be a

7689
05:10:50,080 --> 05:10:52,080
under a magnifying glass is what the

7690
05:10:52,080 --> 05:10:54,240
material modification would say.

7691
05:10:54,240 --> 05:10:57,200
>> Um, that first sentence, can we change

7692
05:10:57,200 --> 05:11:04,470
that to city council?

7693
05:11:04,480 --> 05:11:06,080
» No material modification may be

7694
05:11:06,080 --> 05:11:09,120
implemented without prior written city

7695
05:11:09,120 --> 05:11:11,040
council review and approval.

7696
05:11:11,040 --> 05:11:13,200
>> Yeah. What does any city council know

7697
05:11:13,200 --> 05:11:15,040
about

7698
05:11:15,040 --> 05:11:17,120
>> materials? It's not what we know. It's

7699
05:11:17,120 --> 05:11:19,280
the process. It's just making sure that

7700
05:11:19,280 --> 05:11:20,560
it's

7701
05:11:20,560 --> 05:11:23,040
>> that we a little offensive.

7702
05:11:23,040 --> 05:11:24,878
>> Yeah. It's trans it's transparency

7703
05:11:24,878 --> 05:11:25,440
thing.

7704
05:11:25,440 --> 05:11:26,320
>> That's all I'm

7705
05:11:26,320 --> 05:11:28,080
>> vy any concerns with that?

7706
05:11:28,080 --> 05:11:29,280
>> No. Do you guys want to be in the

7707
05:11:29,280 --> 05:11:30,480
business of doing that?

7708
05:11:30,480 --> 05:11:32,320
>> Well, that's what I just said. Said yes.

7709
05:11:32,320 --> 05:11:34,080
>> It's probably infrequent, right? It

7710
05:11:34,080 --> 05:11:36,798
would be I think but it's

7711
05:11:36,798 --> 05:11:39,680
>> we have we've defined it in a way to

7712
05:11:39,680 --> 05:11:41,200
capture

7713
05:11:41,200 --> 05:11:43,280
a lot of comments a lot of questions

7714
05:11:43,280 --> 05:11:47,360
that we've gotten right what if this what if this what if this

7715
05:11:47,360 --> 05:11:49,600
and we've said that falls under material

7716
05:11:49,600 --> 05:11:52,000
modifications

7717
05:11:52,000 --> 05:11:56,400
and I think it's at least right now it's

7718
05:11:56,400 --> 05:11:59,440
to to to continue that

7719
05:11:59,440 --> 05:12:01,200
try to build that faith with it with our

7720
05:12:01,200 --> 05:12:04,160
constituency that we will be the ones

7721
05:12:04,160 --> 05:12:06,400
reviewing that and approving that

7722
05:12:06,400 --> 05:12:07,920
>> publicly.

7723
05:12:07,920 --> 05:12:10,718
It could be a at some point everything's

7724
05:12:10,718 --> 05:12:12,480
working great. We don't need to, but I

7725
05:12:12,480 --> 05:12:14,480
think for now

7726
05:12:14,480 --> 05:12:16,718
>> it makes sense.

7727
05:12:16,718 --> 05:12:19,360
>> I like it.

7728
05:12:19,360 --> 05:12:20,958
>> We're hanging our hat on material

7729
05:12:20,958 --> 05:12:23,920
modifications for quite a few answers to

7730
05:12:23,920 --> 05:12:26,718
questions. Yeah, I think it goes to your

7731
05:12:26,718 --> 05:12:28,000
first question that you brought up at

7732
05:12:28,000 --> 05:12:29,760
the very first of this when however long

7733
05:12:29,760 --> 05:12:32,400
ago that was we started this process,

7734
05:12:32,400 --> 05:12:36,160
but is can this stand up against

7735
05:12:36,160 --> 05:12:36,958
whomever?

7736
05:12:36,958 --> 05:12:37,360
>> Sure.

7737
05:12:37,360 --> 05:12:38,240
>> Right. And

7738
05:12:38,240 --> 05:12:39,840
>> to your point right there is we're

7739
05:12:39,840 --> 05:12:41,680
hanging our hat a lot on that material

7740
05:12:41,680 --> 05:12:42,958
modifications.

7741
05:12:42,958 --> 05:12:44,798
>> I think the question becomes is can that

7742
05:12:44,798 --> 05:12:47,760
stand up?

7743
05:12:47,760 --> 05:12:49,920
>> Yeah. And I I believe from what I've

7744
05:12:49,920 --> 05:12:51,680
seen and I guess we'll get there. We're

7745
05:12:51,680 --> 05:12:52,958
not there yet, but we'll talk about it

7746
05:12:52,958 --> 05:12:54,560
soon. Well, I think it I think it's just

7747
05:12:54,560 --> 05:12:59,520
a it's another sunlight. It's another thing that if if a

7748
05:12:59,520 --> 05:13:01,680
modification happens, it is it's it's in

7749
05:13:01,680 --> 05:13:02,638
the sunlight here.

7750
05:13:02,638 --> 05:13:05,040
>> Yeah.

7751
05:13:05,040 --> 05:13:08,948
>> Uh development agreements.

7752
05:13:08,958 --> 05:13:11,920
Feel like we've discussed that. Um,

7753
05:13:11,920 --> 05:13:13,840
>> one one thing with this though, mayor,

7754
05:13:13,840 --> 05:13:15,120
real quick, with the development

7755
05:13:15,120 --> 05:13:17,760
agreement, a lot of people compare or

7756
05:13:17,760 --> 05:13:19,680
have thrown out the comparison of of

7757
05:13:19,680 --> 05:13:21,680
Eagle Mountain and what's happened in

7758
05:13:21,680 --> 05:13:23,360
Eagle Mountain with some of their data

7759
05:13:23,360 --> 05:13:25,360
centers. Just to be clear, I don't know

7760
05:13:25,360 --> 05:13:27,680
that any of those agreements or any of

7761
05:13:27,680 --> 05:13:30,718
those data centers came within a

7762
05:13:30,718 --> 05:13:32,798
development with a development agreement

7763
05:13:32,798 --> 05:13:34,958
with the city prior to construction. So

7764
05:13:34,958 --> 05:13:37,360
I I think this is just one more

7765
05:13:37,360 --> 05:13:39,680
protection, one more step that we're

7766
05:13:39,680 --> 05:13:41,920
putting in place to make sure that

7767
05:13:41,920 --> 05:13:44,080
things happen the way we're expecting

7768
05:13:44,080 --> 05:13:45,600
them to happen.

7769
05:13:45,600 --> 05:13:47,120
I think that's an important point and

7770
05:13:47,120 --> 05:13:49,040
while you mentioned it, I think the

7771
05:13:49,040 --> 05:13:53,120
distinction that I I will try to to make

7772
05:13:53,120 --> 05:13:57,200
the point home again is

7773
05:13:57,200 --> 05:14:00,718
uh we're still getting questions today

7774
05:14:00,718 --> 05:14:04,480
about how much tax increment involvement

7775
05:14:04,480 --> 05:14:07,520
do we have in this?

7776
05:14:07,520 --> 05:14:10,320
>> The answer is zero. incentivizing

7777
05:14:10,320 --> 05:14:12,400
>> as far as incentivizing

7778
05:14:12,400 --> 05:14:14,718
if if we're going back to to buildings

7779
05:14:14,718 --> 05:14:16,798
that we it's already been mentioned

7780
05:14:16,798 --> 05:14:19,840
here, but buildings that we have been

7781
05:14:19,840 --> 05:14:22,560
approached and the taxpayer money has

7782
05:14:22,560 --> 05:14:25,920
been used that has happened in Spanish

7783
05:14:25,920 --> 05:14:28,560
Fork and it's at Target that you shop at

7784
05:14:28,560 --> 05:14:31,680
and some other places. It's not it's not

7785
05:14:31,680 --> 05:14:34,000
happening here. Uh there is not tax

7786
05:14:34,000 --> 05:14:37,360
increment financed and uh and it's it's

7787
05:14:37,360 --> 05:14:38,718
not involved. So that's an important

7788
05:14:38,718 --> 05:14:43,670
distinction there as well.

7789
05:14:43,680 --> 05:14:45,200
Um

7790
05:14:45,200 --> 05:14:48,400
annual compliance reports.

7791
05:14:48,400 --> 05:14:52,320
Um yeah, those those 14 things are are

7792
05:14:52,320 --> 05:14:57,120
stuff that are going to be uh uh

7793
05:14:57,120 --> 05:14:59,840
part of of the development agreement.

7794
05:14:59,840 --> 05:15:01,200
>> I did have a question on this one.

7795
05:15:01,200 --> 05:15:01,760
>> Sure.

7796
05:15:01,760 --> 05:15:03,600
>> On five [clears throat] and on 12, why

7797
05:15:03,600 --> 05:15:06,560
would we put if required?

7798
05:15:06,560 --> 05:15:07,840
Yeah, because we're

7799
05:15:07,840 --> 05:15:09,280
>> we've required it throughout the whole

7800
05:15:09,280 --> 05:15:09,760
process.

7801
05:15:09,760 --> 05:15:12,560
>> I agree. Let's let's strike

7802
05:15:12,560 --> 05:15:15,280
>> 12. We just barely required, right? We

7803
05:15:15,280 --> 05:15:17,120
changed the May to a sha.

7804
05:15:17,120 --> 05:15:19,520
>> Yeah, I would think five for sure.

7805
05:15:19,520 --> 05:15:20,320
>> Five. Yeah.

7806
05:15:20,320 --> 05:15:22,718
>> Yeah. Strike that one. Good catch.

7807
05:15:22,718 --> 05:15:25,280
>> And then the other one in Kevin's

7808
05:15:25,280 --> 05:15:27,120
original proposal, there was a

7809
05:15:27,120 --> 05:15:29,360
wastewater permit monitoring results and

7810
05:15:29,360 --> 05:15:32,240
material exceed I don't know what he

7811
05:15:32,240 --> 05:15:34,560
said there. wastewater permits and

7812
05:15:34,560 --> 05:15:37,600
monitoring results. Um, do we know why

7813
05:15:37,600 --> 05:15:39,920
we is that just encompassed in number

7814
05:15:39,920 --> 05:15:43,520
six, wastewater compliance information?

7815
05:15:43,520 --> 05:15:46,798
>> Does that cover that?

7816
05:15:46,798 --> 05:15:48,560
>> Which which which sir are you saying

7817
05:15:48,560 --> 05:15:49,760
six? Uh,

7818
05:15:49,760 --> 05:15:51,600
>> so number six on here it says wastewater

7819
05:15:51,600 --> 05:15:53,360
and on on the one on the screen and

7820
05:15:53,360 --> 05:15:55,440
storm water compliance information

7821
05:15:55,440 --> 05:15:57,280
>> in Kevin's it had just said wastewater

7822
05:15:57,280 --> 05:15:59,840
permit and monitoring results. I'm just

7823
05:15:59,840 --> 05:16:01,760
making sure does that cover what? You're

7824
05:16:01,760 --> 05:16:03,440
just wondering about the verbiage change

7825
05:16:03,440 --> 05:16:04,000
and if it

7826
05:16:04,000 --> 05:16:04,958
>> Yeah. Does it cover what we're

7827
05:16:04,958 --> 05:16:06,560
>> cover?

7828
05:16:06,560 --> 05:16:09,520
Throw Kevin's away.

7829
05:16:09,520 --> 05:16:11,200
>> Well, I'm using both to make sure I'm

7830
05:16:11,200 --> 05:16:12,320
encompassing everything here.

7831
05:16:12,320 --> 05:16:14,080
>> Yeah, I think it does. I think your

7832
05:16:14,080 --> 05:16:16,560
information is the same as your results.

7833
05:16:16,560 --> 05:16:17,440
>> Okay.

7834
05:16:17,440 --> 05:16:18,718
That was a question.

7835
05:16:18,718 --> 05:16:22,958
>> And is the zoning administrator Dave?

7836
05:16:22,958 --> 05:16:25,760
>> It's actually Chief Johnson.

7837
05:16:25,760 --> 05:16:27,200
>> Yes,

7838
05:16:27,200 --> 05:16:29,120
>> Chief Johnson.

7839
05:16:29,120 --> 05:16:34,552
Okay. Just confirming

7840
05:16:34,562 --> 05:16:38,470
» [laughter]

7841
05:16:38,480 --> 05:16:40,320
» start over.

7842
05:16:40,320 --> 05:16:42,080
>> I like the the last sentence there

7843
05:16:42,080 --> 05:16:43,840
obviously of what we've what we've

7844
05:16:43,840 --> 05:16:47,440
already said, but the city uh I don't

7845
05:16:47,440 --> 05:16:49,840
know the city may make they shall.

7846
05:16:49,840 --> 05:16:53,760
>> So on this one I I want it to be first

7847
05:16:53,760 --> 05:16:56,000
and foremost on theirs. I I would ask

7848
05:16:56,000 --> 05:16:58,320
that it be on them.

7849
05:16:58,320 --> 05:17:00,080
We're not in the business of publishing

7850
05:17:00,080 --> 05:17:03,200
other people's reports and so that's not

7851
05:17:03,200 --> 05:17:05,040
something that we commonly do. I don't

7852
05:17:05,040 --> 05:17:06,400
want to get ourselves in trouble because

7853
05:17:06,400 --> 05:17:09,120
we miss a shallow and do it. But I

7854
05:17:09,120 --> 05:17:10,560
definitely want them this is their

7855
05:17:10,560 --> 05:17:13,360
information. I I would suggest we say

7856
05:17:13,360 --> 05:17:16,160
they will publish it

7857
05:17:16,160 --> 05:17:19,520
>> and then we can make it available to

7858
05:17:19,520 --> 05:17:21,440
>> is the proper word applicant instead of

7859
05:17:21,440 --> 05:17:21,840
city

7860
05:17:21,840 --> 05:17:25,590
>> and then shall.

7861
05:17:25,600 --> 05:17:27,920
Why would we not make it? It is their

7862
05:17:27,920 --> 05:17:29,840
report. Yeah, that's covered in the

7863
05:17:29,840 --> 05:17:32,400
first sentence. They are going to submit

7864
05:17:32,400 --> 05:17:36,080
an annual compliance report to David.

7865
05:17:36,080 --> 05:17:36,480
>> Yep.

7866
05:17:36,480 --> 05:17:38,320
>> Why would we not make that available?

7867
05:17:38,320 --> 05:17:41,040
>> I am so comfortable making it available.

7868
05:17:41,040 --> 05:17:43,680
I'm uncomfortable with SHA because we we

7869
05:17:43,680 --> 05:17:44,798
just aren't in the business of

7870
05:17:44,798 --> 05:17:47,040
publishing other people's reports and so

7871
05:17:47,040 --> 05:17:51,680
it's it's just not what we do and and so

7872
05:17:51,680 --> 05:17:52,798
>> and they're gonna have to figure it out

7873
05:17:52,798 --> 05:17:54,560
anyway. I don't want to miss it and then

7874
05:17:54,560 --> 05:17:56,638
all of a sudden we're in we're we're the

7875
05:17:56,638 --> 05:17:58,240
problem. It's not our problem.

7876
05:17:58,240 --> 05:18:00,400
>> I think we're going to miss the annual

7877
05:18:00,400 --> 05:18:03,040
compliance review of the data center.

7878
05:18:03,040 --> 05:18:06,320
>> I think in 10 20 years. Yeah.

7879
05:18:06,320 --> 05:18:08,718
>> I you worked in an organization that had

7880
05:18:08,718 --> 05:18:10,000
left arms and right arms.

7881
05:18:10,000 --> 05:18:11,200
>> We never missed anything.

7882
05:18:11,200 --> 05:18:14,480
>> And never missed a thing. Yeah. You know

7883
05:18:14,480 --> 05:18:16,080
what? You probably are right because you

7884
05:18:16,080 --> 05:18:20,400
had 4,000 engineers working on that

7885
05:18:20,400 --> 05:18:22,160
point. Shane, to Jesse's point, they're

7886
05:18:22,160 --> 05:18:24,080
going to have to legally by state law

7887
05:18:24,080 --> 05:18:25,920
disclose their water report. So,

7888
05:18:25,920 --> 05:18:27,760
>> and I'm not saying we shouldn't post it.

7889
05:18:27,760 --> 05:18:28,878
That's not at all what I'm saying.

7890
05:18:28,878 --> 05:18:31,440
>> Yeah. But put everything in the same

7891
05:18:31,440 --> 05:18:33,440
place and put it on them

7892
05:18:33,440 --> 05:18:34,798
>> because they're already having to do it

7893
05:18:34,798 --> 05:18:36,958
with their water. So, we just say,

7894
05:18:36,958 --> 05:18:39,040
"Okay, the applicant shall

7895
05:18:39,040 --> 05:18:41,120
>> it I I don't disagree with you're

7896
05:18:41,120 --> 05:18:45,360
saying. My my concern is that the

7897
05:18:45,360 --> 05:18:46,958
biggest thing that we've talked about in

7898
05:18:46,958 --> 05:18:50,160
a fairly long time, we don't think we

7899
05:18:50,160 --> 05:18:52,160
can handle pushing print.

7900
05:18:52,160 --> 05:18:54,638
>> But my question is, would our report be

7901
05:18:54,638 --> 05:18:55,520
any different than theirs?

7902
05:18:55,520 --> 05:18:57,200
>> It's the same report. It's

7903
05:18:57,200 --> 05:18:59,040
>> it's taking that report and saying

7904
05:18:59,040 --> 05:18:59,600
>> their report,

7905
05:18:59,600 --> 05:19:00,560
>> that's what that says.

7906
05:19:00,560 --> 05:19:04,000
>> But I here's where I think we'd be

7907
05:19:04,000 --> 05:19:06,480
>> better at it and and I don't think we

7908
05:19:06,480 --> 05:19:08,718
miss it. Again, I think this is under a

7909
05:19:08,718 --> 05:19:12,958
magnifying glass. the I if we said the

7910
05:19:12,958 --> 05:19:14,638
applicant make it available to the

7911
05:19:14,638 --> 05:19:17,200
public that leaves

7912
05:19:17,200 --> 05:19:18,638
>> how are they going to make it available

7913
05:19:18,638 --> 05:19:20,878
to the public? They say we printed it in

7914
05:19:20,878 --> 05:19:23,360
the Herald. It was public. You know,

7915
05:19:23,360 --> 05:19:24,400
>> it just be on their website.

7916
05:19:24,400 --> 05:19:26,320
>> I mean, right now we send out an annual

7917
05:19:26,320 --> 05:19:28,080
water report on the Spanish Fork

7918
05:19:28,080 --> 05:19:29,840
drinking water. Is that what we're

7919
05:19:29,840 --> 05:19:30,798
asking for?

7920
05:19:30,798 --> 05:19:32,160
>> But I also think that some of these

7921
05:19:32,160 --> 05:19:34,480
things are probably best now that like

7922
05:19:34,480 --> 05:19:36,000
looking through it a little bit maybe

7923
05:19:36,000 --> 05:19:37,760
closer like regular number nine

7924
05:19:37,760 --> 05:19:39,040
regulatory and city notices of

7925
05:19:39,040 --> 05:19:40,638
violation. That's an us thing, not a

7926
05:19:40,638 --> 05:19:42,160
them thing.

7927
05:19:42,160 --> 05:19:44,480
>> So, we might going to do it.

7928
05:19:44,480 --> 05:19:45,760
>> What was that? I don't know who said

7929
05:19:45,760 --> 05:19:47,920
that.

7930
05:19:47,920 --> 05:19:50,080
I said it's not necessarily an us thing.

7931
05:19:50,080 --> 05:19:51,680
It's them.

7932
05:19:51,680 --> 05:19:53,360
>> We have given them a notice of

7933
05:19:53,360 --> 05:19:54,240
violation.

7934
05:19:54,240 --> 05:19:54,878
>> They have to report.

7935
05:19:54,878 --> 05:19:56,560
>> We need to they need to include that in

7936
05:19:56,560 --> 05:19:58,958
their report.

7937
05:19:58,958 --> 05:20:01,360
>> I think I think I think us releasing it

7938
05:20:01,360 --> 05:20:04,240
to the public. [snorts]

7939
05:20:04,240 --> 05:20:09,520
Sounds sounds like we'd do that in a way

7940
05:20:09,520 --> 05:20:11,680
more than a a private company releasing

7941
05:20:11,680 --> 05:20:14,240
it to the public.

7942
05:20:14,240 --> 05:20:16,560
How do we how do we confirm that it's

7943
05:20:16,560 --> 05:20:18,240
been released and it has all 14?

7944
05:20:18,240 --> 05:20:20,000
>> I guess that's where Seth's getting

7945
05:20:20,000 --> 05:20:22,400
scared is releasing it to the public

7946
05:20:22,400 --> 05:20:26,240
like we have standards of here here's

7947
05:20:26,240 --> 05:20:28,080
our public meetings and here's the what

7948
05:20:28,080 --> 05:20:30,878
we follow to release those things.

7949
05:20:30,878 --> 05:20:31,280
>> Yeah.

7950
05:20:31,280 --> 05:20:33,680
>> Would we make sure we'd be in

7951
05:20:33,680 --> 05:20:36,240
>> well measured the same way releasing

7952
05:20:36,240 --> 05:20:37,520
that report annually?

7953
05:20:37,520 --> 05:20:40,240
>> Right. So state requires that they do a

7954
05:20:40,240 --> 05:20:42,798
water. Now, us as a city, we're

7955
05:20:42,798 --> 05:20:44,718
requiring that they do 14 different

7956
05:20:44,718 --> 05:20:46,718
things. Seth already mentioned that if

7957
05:20:46,718 --> 05:20:48,240
the city's supposed to do it, we're

7958
05:20:48,240 --> 05:20:51,040
gonna forget over 10 years to do it. How

7959
05:20:51,040 --> 05:20:51,680
do we

7960
05:20:51,680 --> 05:20:53,520
>> How do we make sure we remember or how

7961
05:20:53,520 --> 05:20:56,160
do we validate that that report gets

7962
05:20:56,160 --> 05:20:57,520
released even by them?

7963
05:20:57,520 --> 05:20:58,798
>> The the way you just said that though,

7964
05:20:58,798 --> 05:21:00,878
Kevin, you made it sound like we are

7965
05:21:00,878 --> 05:21:02,958
doing an annual compliance report. We

7966
05:21:02,958 --> 05:21:03,440
are not.

7967
05:21:03,440 --> 05:21:05,120
>> We're ask We're asking for these.

7968
05:21:05,120 --> 05:21:07,200
>> The report is being done. There's 14

7969
05:21:07,200 --> 05:21:09,040
chapters in it. They they put it

7970
05:21:09,040 --> 05:21:09,520
together.

7971
05:21:09,520 --> 05:21:11,120
>> How do we make sure? or how do we

7972
05:21:11,120 --> 05:21:11,840
remember

7973
05:21:11,840 --> 05:21:14,080
>> Jack make sure when they submit it you

7974
05:21:14,080 --> 05:21:15,760
publish it

7975
05:21:15,760 --> 05:21:18,240
>> 10 years from now how like what's

7976
05:21:18,240 --> 05:21:19,920
>> if we get 10 years from now when we have

7977
05:21:19,920 --> 05:21:22,080
had 10 successful years of this

7978
05:21:22,080 --> 05:21:24,958
>> and it's so good that we forget to do it

7979
05:21:24,958 --> 05:21:26,080
I would take that risk

7980
05:21:26,080 --> 05:21:28,718
>> so who's who's responsible

7981
05:21:28,718 --> 05:21:30,480
super transparent for us to

7982
05:21:30,480 --> 05:21:31,840
>> the zoning administrator

7983
05:21:31,840 --> 05:21:34,638
>> so the zoning administrator does that

7984
05:21:34,638 --> 05:21:35,600
>> threw it up in your fire

7985
05:21:35,600 --> 05:21:36,560
>> it to the zoning admin

7986
05:21:36,560 --> 05:21:37,920
>> put it in your calendar

7987
05:21:37,920 --> 05:21:38,878
>> we're having this argument

7988
05:21:38,878 --> 05:21:40,320
>> sorry I'm not trying to make an argument

7989
05:21:40,320 --> 05:21:41,680
out of this. I'm just simply saying I

7990
05:21:41,680 --> 05:21:43,840
from my perspective if you can put it on

7991
05:21:43,840 --> 05:21:45,520
them that's where it should be. They

7992
05:21:45,520 --> 05:21:46,560
shall publish it.

7993
05:21:46,560 --> 05:21:49,360
>> So then why would we say the applicant

7994
05:21:49,360 --> 05:21:51,200
makes and then the city posts it or

7995
05:21:51,200 --> 05:21:52,638
makes it public?

7996
05:21:52,638 --> 05:21:54,080
>> That's what it says.

7997
05:21:54,080 --> 05:21:56,400
>> Sounds great.

7998
05:21:56,400 --> 05:21:58,560
>> People may start getting hon. We're

7999
05:21:58,560 --> 05:21:59,280
tired.

8000
05:21:59,280 --> 05:22:00,320
>> No, we're not.

8001
05:22:00,320 --> 05:22:01,760
>> What Shane? Where do you

8002
05:22:01,760 --> 05:22:04,638
>> So where do you envision the city making

8003
05:22:04,638 --> 05:22:05,120
that public?

8004
05:22:05,120 --> 05:22:06,400
>> We'll put it on our website.

8005
05:22:06,400 --> 05:22:08,480
>> Great. It'll it's a shall we'll put it

8006
05:22:08,480 --> 05:22:09,360
on the website

8007
05:22:09,360 --> 05:22:11,440
>> next to the municipal code.

8008
05:22:11,440 --> 05:22:12,638
>> I don't know where we're going to put

8009
05:22:12,638 --> 05:22:13,920
that yet. I have a year.

8010
05:22:13,920 --> 05:22:15,280
>> They just changed the website today. So,

8011
05:22:15,280 --> 05:22:17,920
I don't even know where anything is.

8012
05:22:17,920 --> 05:22:21,360
>> Look, we if if we are not super

8013
05:22:21,360 --> 05:22:23,760
transparent on this report every single

8014
05:22:23,760 --> 05:22:25,760
year for the next few years,

8015
05:22:25,760 --> 05:22:27,440
>> we have not done our job.

8016
05:22:27,440 --> 05:22:30,160
>> I'm not saying Yeah. But like I'm the

8017
05:22:30,160 --> 05:22:31,680
report will be available. You're just

8018
05:22:31,680 --> 05:22:34,160
saying let's make let's get more eyes on

8019
05:22:34,160 --> 05:22:35,360
the report.

8020
05:22:35,360 --> 05:22:38,480
>> Yes. Okay, I let's leave it with the

8021
05:22:38,480 --> 05:22:40,160
>> Was I honory about that? I guess so.

8022
05:22:40,160 --> 05:22:40,638
Sorry.

8023
05:22:40,638 --> 05:22:42,160
>> Little bit late. I don't care.

8024
05:22:42,160 --> 05:22:43,200
>> I need another five hour.

8025
05:22:43,200 --> 05:22:44,958
>> If you scroll up,

8026
05:22:44,958 --> 05:22:49,040
>> the report is submitted by the owner.

8027
05:22:49,040 --> 05:22:52,400
>> You the city is saying their their

8028
05:22:52,400 --> 05:22:54,560
responsibility to make it public.

8029
05:22:54,560 --> 05:22:56,718
>> So, we provide it to the city

8030
05:22:56,718 --> 05:22:57,680
>> and we make it public

8031
05:22:57,680 --> 05:22:59,680
>> and we push print public. Yeah.

8032
05:22:59,680 --> 05:23:00,320
>> Yeah.

8033
05:23:00,320 --> 05:23:01,840
>> You don't have to you don't have to

8034
05:23:01,840 --> 05:23:03,760
publish it. You provide your public.

8035
05:23:03,760 --> 05:23:06,080
It's through your public uh you know

8036
05:23:06,080 --> 05:23:07,600
conduit sources.

8037
05:23:07,600 --> 05:23:09,200
>> So you provide it to the city and the

8038
05:23:09,200 --> 05:23:10,400
city publishes it.

8039
05:23:10,400 --> 05:23:13,590
>> Yeah.

8040
05:23:13,600 --> 05:23:17,200
» Okay. Citywide limitation. This has been

8041
05:23:17,200 --> 05:23:21,680
discussed but uh Jack will scroll down.

8042
05:23:21,680 --> 05:23:23,040
>> Don't sleep over there on us. We're not

8043
05:23:23,040 --> 05:23:24,560
done yet. Me too.

8044
05:23:24,560 --> 05:23:29,910
>> We're not even close. No more than one.

8045
05:23:29,920 --> 05:23:35,430
Any

8046
05:23:35,440 --> 05:23:36,638
questions on that?

8047
05:23:36,638 --> 05:23:39,200
>> That's a good line at the end there that

8048
05:23:39,200 --> 05:23:41,280
Vaughn already touched on. Uh the

8049
05:23:41,280 --> 05:23:42,718
limitation may not be avoided by

8050
05:23:42,718 --> 05:23:44,160
separating a data center and its

8051
05:23:44,160 --> 05:23:45,840
associated generation facility into

8052
05:23:45,840 --> 05:23:47,840
separate parcels or approvals within the

8053
05:23:47,840 --> 05:23:50,480
same unified development. I think that's

8054
05:23:50,480 --> 05:23:52,878
good language there. Um did we discussed

8055
05:23:52,878 --> 05:23:56,480
earlier if you get a [snorts] property

8056
05:23:56,480 --> 05:23:58,400
data center purchases piece of property

8057
05:23:58,400 --> 05:24:03,040
they build to capacity or whatever they buy

8058
05:24:03,040 --> 05:24:05,360
the parcel next door

8059
05:24:05,360 --> 05:24:06,400
>> a new one

8060
05:24:06,400 --> 05:24:08,320
>> that's a new one right if they decide to

8061
05:24:08,320 --> 05:24:10,958
add on to what they currently have or

8062
05:24:10,958 --> 05:24:15,600
what if they've not met their 393 or 450

8063
05:24:15,600 --> 05:24:17,840
or whatever we decide let's say they

8064
05:24:17,840 --> 05:24:20,480
build one and the development agreement

8065
05:24:20,480 --> 05:24:22,160
or whatever we go through says, "Okay,

8066
05:24:22,160 --> 05:24:24,560
this one's going to be at 200." They buy

8067
05:24:24,560 --> 05:24:26,480
the property next door. They decide they

8068
05:24:26,480 --> 05:24:29,920
want to add on

8069
05:24:29,920 --> 05:24:32,320
and make it larger. Is it still

8070
05:24:32,320 --> 05:24:34,400
considered one or does that now become

8071
05:24:34,400 --> 05:24:34,718
two?

8072
05:24:34,718 --> 05:24:36,400
>> I think it's a material change. If

8073
05:24:36,400 --> 05:24:39,120
they're expanding, they're existing one.

8074
05:24:39,120 --> 05:24:42,638
Uh if they're doing a separate one,

8075
05:24:42,638 --> 05:24:43,360
>> that would be

8076
05:24:43,360 --> 05:24:44,878
>> But if they're expanding or growing,

8077
05:24:44,878 --> 05:24:46,560
it's falls under the material change.

8078
05:24:46,560 --> 05:24:47,440
>> I think so.

8079
05:24:47,440 --> 05:24:48,718
>> They're going to need a new air quality

8080
05:24:48,718 --> 05:24:50,560
permit, which is also a material change.

8081
05:24:50,560 --> 05:24:52,638
All that all of that change same as if

8082
05:24:52,638 --> 05:24:53,760
they changed equipment.

8083
05:24:53,760 --> 05:24:55,120
>> I think you're catching that in the

8084
05:24:55,120 --> 05:24:59,990
material change.

8085
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:03,200
» Now the big one.

8086
05:25:03,200 --> 05:25:08,000
>> Yeah. So, so 23 and 24 here. Um

8087
05:25:08,000 --> 05:25:10,000
enforcement.

8088
05:25:10,000 --> 05:25:12,638
This this has been asked by residents

8089
05:25:12,638 --> 05:25:14,400
and I think it's a valid concern. What

8090
05:25:14,400 --> 05:25:16,080
teeth do you really have? Right.

8091
05:25:16,080 --> 05:25:19,680
>> Yeah. Uh Von, this is where we look to

8092
05:25:19,680 --> 05:25:20,560
teeth

8093
05:25:20,560 --> 05:25:25,120
>> in your your professional area for uh

8094
05:25:25,120 --> 05:25:26,798
because we don't want to get something

8095
05:25:26,798 --> 05:25:29,360
like this wrong. What's your obviously

8096
05:25:29,360 --> 05:25:31,920
you help you you you've written this.

8097
05:25:31,920 --> 05:25:34,798
You believe it's the teeth that we need

8098
05:25:34,798 --> 05:25:37,360
in something like this to protect

8099
05:25:37,360 --> 05:25:41,840
>> like I called it before. It's a menu of remedies that we can choose from

8100
05:25:41,840 --> 05:25:45,760
among um we can test, we can inspect, we

8101
05:25:45,760 --> 05:25:50,878
can give them notices to cure. Um we can

8102
05:25:50,878 --> 05:25:52,798
even do a shorter cure period where

8103
05:25:52,798 --> 05:25:55,120
that's necessary for public health

8104
05:25:55,120 --> 05:25:57,840
safety and the environment.

8105
05:25:57,840 --> 05:26:00,080
Um operational restrictions and

8106
05:26:00,080 --> 05:26:04,230
suspension.

8107
05:26:04,240 --> 05:26:07,360
Yeah. um

8108
05:26:07,360 --> 05:26:10,080
additional remedies or are and this is

8109
05:26:10,080 --> 05:26:12,958
important D the remedies are cumulative

8110
05:26:12,958 --> 05:26:15,760
so we can do them all if we want if we

8111
05:26:15,760 --> 05:26:20,480
needed to not just one or the other

8112
05:26:20,480 --> 05:26:23,840
and then cost of enforcement is is also

8113
05:26:23,840 --> 05:26:25,600
there but again the the development

8114
05:26:25,600 --> 05:26:27,120
agreement will have its own like I

8115
05:26:27,120 --> 05:26:28,638
mentioned the specific performance and

8116
05:26:28,638 --> 05:26:31,120
the injunction

8117
05:26:31,120 --> 05:26:37,270
remedies

8118
05:26:37,280 --> 05:26:39,600
Yeah, I think the the the paragraph

8119
05:26:39,600 --> 05:26:43,360
right above D of where immediate action

8120
05:26:43,360 --> 05:26:44,958
is authorized because of an imminent

8121
05:26:44,958 --> 05:26:46,638
threat, an operational restriction or

8122
05:26:46,638 --> 05:26:48,560
suspension shall be imposed subject to

8123
05:26:48,560 --> 05:26:50,240
applicable notice, hearing and appeal

8124
05:26:50,240 --> 05:26:52,560
requirements. Obviously, there's laws

8125
05:26:52,560 --> 05:26:57,840
that business and governments need to play by, but the question that

8126
05:26:57,840 --> 05:27:01,120
people have asked this, if it got

8127
05:27:01,120 --> 05:27:03,600
so blatant, you know, you're you're

8128
05:27:03,600 --> 05:27:05,840
reading there

8129
05:27:05,840 --> 05:27:09,760
uh from imminent threat, a restriction

8130
05:27:09,760 --> 05:27:14,080
or suspension shall be imposed.

8131
05:27:14,080 --> 05:27:22,470
Those are usually pretty black and white words.

8132
05:27:22,480 --> 05:27:23,040
Yeah.

8133
05:27:23,040 --> 05:27:25,280
>> Um, I think the cost of enforcement's

8134
05:27:25,280 --> 05:27:27,440
important too to to finish that

8135
05:27:27,440 --> 05:27:30,718
paragraph up. Uh, that it's not on us

8136
05:27:30,718 --> 05:27:34,868
for that. That's the owner.

8137
05:27:34,878 --> 05:27:36,958
» Yeah. One of the concerns a lot of

8138
05:27:36,958 --> 05:27:38,480
residents say is, "What if you get

8139
05:27:38,480 --> 05:27:40,240
somebody like Elon Musk that's got

8140
05:27:40,240 --> 05:27:42,480
unlimited funds? You can just throw

8141
05:27:42,480 --> 05:27:44,558
money at a problem. How do you address

8142
05:27:44,558 --> 05:27:49,840
that?" Well, in section C it says

8143
05:27:49,840 --> 05:27:52,320
or pursue any other available remedy.

8144
05:27:52,320 --> 05:27:55,200
So, let's say we do all of the financial

8145
05:27:55,200 --> 05:27:57,360
stuff, the fines. We give them time to

8146
05:27:57,360 --> 05:27:59,520
try and fix it first. Then we throw

8147
05:27:59,520 --> 05:28:01,760
start throwing the money at it. That's

8148
05:28:01,760 --> 05:28:03,360
not working. They just keep paying the

8149
05:28:03,360 --> 05:28:05,760
fines. Then you get to this where it

8150
05:28:05,760 --> 05:28:08,160
says pursue any other available remedy

8151
05:28:08,160 --> 05:28:10,958
up to and including revocation of the

8152
05:28:10,958 --> 05:28:13,040
business license to operate the data

8153
05:28:13,040 --> 05:28:15,680
center or on-site power generation. So

8154
05:28:15,680 --> 05:28:17,440
city has the power if it gets to that

8155
05:28:17,440 --> 05:28:19,840
point which hopefully it never would but

8156
05:28:19,840 --> 05:28:21,200
they could revoke their business

8157
05:28:21,200 --> 05:28:22,958
license.

8158
05:28:22,958 --> 05:28:25,360
>> That was under C right

8159
05:28:25,360 --> 05:28:27,868
>> that's under C.

8160
05:28:27,868 --> 05:28:29,360
[clears throat]

8161
05:28:29,360 --> 05:28:31,600
This one is this is extremely important

8162
05:28:31,600 --> 05:28:35,040
section. It feels like it's

8163
05:28:35,040 --> 05:28:38,718
here are the generalities

8164
05:28:38,718 --> 05:28:41,200
of what we can do and we're going to get

8165
05:28:41,200 --> 05:28:42,798
real specific in a development

8166
05:28:42,798 --> 05:28:46,070
agreement.

8167
05:28:46,080 --> 05:28:53,430
Is that basically

8168
05:28:53,440 --> 05:28:54,798
» we're going to talk more about what the

8169
05:28:54,798 --> 05:28:58,240
cure period is? What?

8170
05:28:58,240 --> 05:29:00,878
>> Yeah.

8171
05:29:00,878 --> 05:29:05,910
What imminent threat might be?

8172
05:29:05,920 --> 05:29:08,320
» I can't believe you bring up Elon Musk.

8173
05:29:08,320 --> 05:29:10,240
I mean, I would think that the the MAGA

8174
05:29:10,240 --> 05:29:12,000
crowd would prevent him from doing

8175
05:29:12,000 --> 05:29:12,798
>> more money.

8176
05:29:12,798 --> 05:29:13,680
>> He brought it in.

8177
05:29:13,680 --> 05:29:17,590
>> I don't know. MAGA

8178
05:29:17,600 --> 05:29:18,958
» Okay, I agree.

8179
05:29:18,958 --> 05:29:20,240
>> This one is this one's tough for me.

8180
05:29:20,240 --> 05:29:22,718
like

8181
05:29:22,718 --> 05:29:26,080
not it is a it is a very very important

8182
05:29:26,080 --> 05:29:28,000
part of this overall code text

8183
05:29:28,000 --> 05:29:32,718
amendment. The the enforcement part um

8184
05:29:32,718 --> 05:29:35,200
is where the proof is in the pudding.

8185
05:29:35,200 --> 05:29:35,680
>> Right.

8186
05:29:35,680 --> 05:29:37,600
We've developed this long list of

8187
05:29:37,600 --> 05:29:39,920
requirements they have to meet. We

8188
05:29:39,920 --> 05:29:42,160
believe they're going to meet them. Now

8189
05:29:42,160 --> 05:29:43,520
we need to hold them accountable when it

8190
05:29:43,520 --> 05:29:45,920
doesn't if they don't.

8191
05:29:45,920 --> 05:29:47,680
Um,

8192
05:29:47,680 --> 05:29:52,638
we've had this since 4 I guess

8193
05:29:52,638 --> 05:29:54,638
yesterday. You sent us a a draft of this

8194
05:29:54,638 --> 05:29:56,638
yesterday.

8195
05:29:56,638 --> 05:29:59,040
This is the this is the place where if I

8196
05:29:59,040 --> 05:30:01,840
had more time, I would take it here. So,

8197
05:30:01,840 --> 05:30:03,200
>> well, it's changed since the one that we

8198
05:30:03,200 --> 05:30:05,360
got yesterday, though, too.

8199
05:30:05,360 --> 05:30:08,160
>> Has it has it materially materially

8200
05:30:08,160 --> 05:30:09,840
changed? What is the right

8201
05:30:09,840 --> 05:30:12,160
>> Well, the the business license part was

8202
05:30:12,160 --> 05:30:13,280
added since

8203
05:30:13,280 --> 05:30:14,400
>> Yeah, we're trying to get more teeth to

8204
05:30:14,400 --> 05:30:16,080
it, right? But we're trying to get

8205
05:30:16,080 --> 05:30:17,600
better, right? We're trying to get more.

8206
05:30:17,600 --> 05:30:19,600
I think that's important.

8207
05:30:19,600 --> 05:30:21,520
>> There's some there. It's not I'm not

8208
05:30:21,520 --> 05:30:23,600
saying it's bad. I'm just saying that

8209
05:30:23,600 --> 05:30:27,360
>> it's one place that I could spend more

8210
05:30:27,360 --> 05:30:28,798
time on.

8211
05:30:28,798 --> 05:30:30,878
>> Yeah. Looking at it though, I can't I

8212
05:30:30,878 --> 05:30:32,958
can't think of what else outside of

8213
05:30:32,958 --> 05:30:34,240
what's here and what would be in a

8214
05:30:34,240 --> 05:30:36,400
development agreement you would include

8215
05:30:36,400 --> 05:30:38,240
that would have more teeth than taking

8216
05:30:38,240 --> 05:30:39,520
away their business license.

8217
05:30:39,520 --> 05:30:40,878
>> The development agreement will have the

8218
05:30:40,878 --> 05:30:44,080
liquidated damages, too. like if there's

8219
05:30:44,080 --> 05:30:45,840
an exceedence of any one of those areas

8220
05:30:45,840 --> 05:30:47,840
of concern, there'll just be an

8221
05:30:47,840 --> 05:30:49,440
automatic,

8222
05:30:49,440 --> 05:30:51,440
you know,

8223
05:30:51,440 --> 05:30:53,360
fee, not a fee, but it's liquidated

8224
05:30:53,360 --> 05:30:54,320
damages,

8225
05:30:54,320 --> 05:30:56,080
>> which is saying what those damages are

8226
05:30:56,080 --> 05:30:57,360
hard to quantify. So, we're just going

8227
05:30:57,360 --> 05:30:59,120
to agree what they are going to be.

8228
05:30:59,120 --> 05:31:01,280
You're going to pay this.

8229
05:31:01,280 --> 05:31:03,360
>> So, there's those as well. That's not

8230
05:31:03,360 --> 05:31:04,160
really spelled out.

8231
05:31:04,160 --> 05:31:05,600
>> And the curing period is in there as

8232
05:31:05,600 --> 05:31:06,240
well. Yeah.

8233
05:31:06,240 --> 05:31:07,520
>> Cure periods are in the development

8234
05:31:07,520 --> 05:31:11,350
agreement.

8235
05:31:11,360 --> 05:31:13,440
» Yeah. And I get I guess where I get to a

8236
05:31:13,440 --> 05:31:15,440
place with this, it start it starts to

8237
05:31:15,440 --> 05:31:17,840
go into

8238
05:31:17,840 --> 05:31:22,000
for somebody uh a business to live up to

8239
05:31:22,000 --> 05:31:24,160
this

8240
05:31:24,160 --> 05:31:27,040
must believe within the teeth of this

8241
05:31:27,040 --> 05:31:28,878
that I that I that they're not going to

8242
05:31:28,878 --> 05:31:30,558
have any problems. That doesn't mean we

8243
05:31:30,558 --> 05:31:32,160
don't plan

8244
05:31:32,160 --> 05:31:33,920
>> that we're not planning for the worst to

8245
05:31:33,920 --> 05:31:38,958
happen. We're hoping for the best and here's here's the worst.

8246
05:31:38,958 --> 05:31:42,310
Um,

8247
05:31:42,320 --> 05:31:46,240
but I think I think the the fixes that

8248
05:31:46,240 --> 05:31:49,760
would need to happen if something got

8249
05:31:49,760 --> 05:31:51,920
sideways with this is an important

8250
05:31:51,920 --> 05:31:56,958
aspect in in this agreement and the code

8251
05:31:56,958 --> 05:31:59,040
to say, hey, you could lose your

8252
05:31:59,040 --> 05:32:00,558
business license and not operate a

8253
05:32:00,558 --> 05:32:03,200
business. you know, and

8254
05:32:03,200 --> 05:32:05,840
I know it's not apples to apples, you

8255
05:32:05,840 --> 05:32:09,280
know, my when they come and inspect me

8256
05:32:09,280 --> 05:32:13,680
and there's some carpet tiles in where

8257
05:32:13,680 --> 05:32:16,480
the furnace sits in my place, they said,

8258
05:32:16,480 --> 05:32:18,000
"You take those out or else we'll pull

8259
05:32:18,000 --> 05:32:19,760
your business license." I mean, it's

8260
05:32:19,760 --> 05:32:23,280
pretty pretty quick. But, uh, here's

8261
05:32:23,280 --> 05:32:25,680
some much bigger and faster liquidated

8262
05:32:25,680 --> 05:32:28,480
damages and to including suspension and

8263
05:32:28,480 --> 05:32:30,000
revocation.

8264
05:32:30,000 --> 05:32:31,600
I think that's an important point to

8265
05:32:31,600 --> 05:32:36,548
make.

8266
05:32:36,558 --> 05:32:39,920
» I think it's all there. I just

8267
05:32:39,920 --> 05:32:41,120
>> If I was going to spend more time, it

8268
05:32:41,120 --> 05:32:41,840
would be here.

8269
05:32:41,840 --> 05:32:44,400
>> Okay.

8270
05:32:44,400 --> 05:32:48,718
Um the last one, codes and permits. So,

8271
05:32:48,718 --> 05:32:51,040
the unaffected things that are already

8272
05:32:51,040 --> 05:32:52,798
in law. I think that's an important

8273
05:32:52,798 --> 05:32:57,200
thing, too. So again, uh if if this was

8274
05:32:57,200 --> 05:33:00,000
to move forward and and this site be

8275
05:33:00,000 --> 05:33:02,320
repurposed for this,

8276
05:33:02,320 --> 05:33:04,400
just like other construction things

8277
05:33:04,400 --> 05:33:08,080
happen around the community, um the

8278
05:33:08,080 --> 05:33:10,160
noise, dust, mud, surface water, all

8279
05:33:10,160 --> 05:33:12,240
that stuff has to be up to SWIP

8280
05:33:12,240 --> 05:33:15,280
standards, which which is regularly

8281
05:33:15,280 --> 05:33:20,310
inspected. Um

8282
05:33:20,320 --> 05:33:26,310
anything else?

8283
05:33:26,320 --> 05:33:30,878
Seth, maybe this is the part where uh

8284
05:33:30,878 --> 05:33:34,240
where I'd like uh the city manager's

8285
05:33:34,240 --> 05:33:36,798
take on this. You've been you've been

8286
05:33:36,798 --> 05:33:40,000
intimately involved for a bit now here.

8287
05:33:40,000 --> 05:33:42,958
Um you know a thing or two about other

8288
05:33:42,958 --> 05:33:44,718
cities across the state, some of your

8289
05:33:44,718 --> 05:33:48,160
colleagues and everything else. I guess

8290
05:33:48,160 --> 05:33:50,638
uh from an aspect everybody has our

8291
05:33:50,638 --> 05:33:52,638
email and has been asking us as elected

8292
05:33:52,638 --> 05:33:55,920
officials who have a period of time

8293
05:33:55,920 --> 05:33:58,718
serving here it's we do consult

8294
05:33:58,718 --> 05:34:00,320
obviously with the professionals like

8295
05:34:00,320 --> 05:34:05,280
yourself and Vaughn and Dave and uh Jake

8296
05:34:05,280 --> 05:34:06,718
and everybody else that's involved in

8297
05:34:06,718 --> 05:34:09,680
this stuff. So, I don't mean to put you

8298
05:34:09,680 --> 05:34:12,718
on the spot by any means, but in your

8299
05:34:12,718 --> 05:34:14,638
professional

8300
05:34:14,638 --> 05:34:17,520
uh space, we are we we do know you love

8301
05:34:17,520 --> 05:34:19,280
the city that you're the manager of,

8302
05:34:19,280 --> 05:34:21,440
too. So, we would never question your

8303
05:34:21,440 --> 05:34:26,480
love, but tell us in a in a professional

8304
05:34:26,480 --> 05:34:29,760
space as well what your feelings are

8305
05:34:29,760 --> 05:34:32,160
uh with where we're at on this project

8306
05:34:32,160 --> 05:34:33,920
and proposal.

8307
05:34:33,920 --> 05:34:37,040
>> Thanks, Mayor. I um

8308
05:34:37,040 --> 05:34:39,520
we've spent a lot of time studying this

8309
05:34:39,520 --> 05:34:41,840
topic and

8310
05:34:41,840 --> 05:34:46,798
um we get we get a handful of calls

8311
05:34:46,798 --> 05:34:49,840
u every couple of weeks

8312
05:34:49,840 --> 05:34:51,840
from groups wanting us to wanting to

8313
05:34:51,840 --> 05:34:55,440
consider de data centers. And we've had

8314
05:34:55,440 --> 05:34:56,480
just [clears throat] this week a couple

8315
05:34:56,480 --> 05:35:00,878
of data center groups reach out to us uh

8316
05:35:00,878 --> 05:35:03,920
some multiple times a day saying don't

8317
05:35:03,920 --> 05:35:06,638
change Title 15.

8318
05:35:06,638 --> 05:35:09,360
It's too restrictive.

8319
05:35:09,360 --> 05:35:11,120
Uh they don't want it to pass because

8320
05:35:11,120 --> 05:35:14,160
they can't meet it. Um, so this is

8321
05:35:14,160 --> 05:35:15,600
certainly something that everybody's

8322
05:35:15,600 --> 05:35:17,840
watching, I think, because

8323
05:35:17,840 --> 05:35:20,798
um, some want

8324
05:35:20,798 --> 05:35:23,440
less standards and and some want more

8325
05:35:23,440 --> 05:35:26,320
standards. We've studied specific

8326
05:35:26,320 --> 05:35:28,320
places. I I've as I've chatted with a

8327
05:35:28,320 --> 05:35:30,240
few people, I've talked about things

8328
05:35:30,240 --> 05:35:32,400
that they're afraid of and and one thing

8329
05:35:32,400 --> 05:35:34,320
that I try to do when I find I'm I'm

8330
05:35:34,320 --> 05:35:36,240
afraid of something is I try to dig into

8331
05:35:36,240 --> 05:35:40,000
it and I try to try to talk to it or or

8332
05:35:40,000 --> 05:35:42,718
study it or go research it, whatever

8333
05:35:42,718 --> 05:35:45,200
that that fear might be. So, we've gone

8334
05:35:45,200 --> 05:35:46,638
to different places, we've seen the

8335
05:35:46,638 --> 05:35:47,920
technology, we've touched it, we've

8336
05:35:47,920 --> 05:35:49,440
smelled it, we've heard it, heard it,

8337
05:35:49,440 --> 05:35:53,680
we've we've felt it. Um

8338
05:35:53,680 --> 05:35:55,600
and and uh I've chatted with my

8339
05:35:55,600 --> 05:35:59,840
colleague in a city that has um at least

8340
05:35:59,840 --> 05:36:03,040
two large data centers to gather a lot

8341
05:36:03,040 --> 05:36:04,558
of information. We've chatted with the

8342
05:36:04,558 --> 05:36:07,280
state um a few different individuals at

8343
05:36:07,280 --> 05:36:08,958
the state

8344
05:36:08,958 --> 05:36:13,520
um a couple of different attorneys and all in an effort to understand you

8345
05:36:13,520 --> 05:36:15,120
know as much as we can and even with

8346
05:36:15,120 --> 05:36:16,400
that I'm sure we don't understand

8347
05:36:16,400 --> 05:36:19,280
everything right but I wanted to share

8348
05:36:19,280 --> 05:36:22,958
with with your question um as I've

8349
05:36:22,958 --> 05:36:24,558
looked at the the information and the

8350
05:36:24,558 --> 05:36:26,718
technology it's been it's been

8351
05:36:26,718 --> 05:36:29,200
wonderfully eye openening um I know that

8352
05:36:29,200 --> 05:36:31,840
there are bad actor data centers out

8353
05:36:31,840 --> 05:36:34,638
there and wonderfully I think for the

8354
05:36:34,638 --> 05:36:37,280
world they're getting better and better

8355
05:36:37,280 --> 05:36:41,440
and and uh I don't know who the judge is

8356
05:36:41,440 --> 05:36:43,440
that says we do or don't need data

8357
05:36:43,440 --> 05:36:46,320
centers but it seems like the

8358
05:36:46,320 --> 05:36:48,558
marketplace is telling us we do because

8359
05:36:48,558 --> 05:36:50,480
we get phone calls every other day it

8360
05:36:50,480 --> 05:36:53,120
seems every week wanting another data

8361
05:36:53,120 --> 05:36:56,160
center. So the need for technology

8362
05:36:56,160 --> 05:36:58,000
compute technology seems to be out

8363
05:36:58,000 --> 05:37:00,878
there. And so if we can if we can do a

8364
05:37:00,878 --> 05:37:02,558
data center, if we need to do a data

8365
05:37:02,558 --> 05:37:04,160
center, if data centers need to exist,

8366
05:37:04,160 --> 05:37:05,680
we I think we have to figure out how to

8367
05:37:05,680 --> 05:37:08,638
do it better. Um,

8368
05:37:08,638 --> 05:37:11,120
this this Nova site that we went to, um,

8369
05:37:11,120 --> 05:37:13,120
I think is you could describe as a

8370
05:37:13,120 --> 05:37:16,958
cousin to this facility, but it's a it's

8371
05:37:16,958 --> 05:37:20,480
like an iPhone 16 compared to an iPhone

8372
05:37:20,480 --> 05:37:22,240
18. I'm an Android guy, so I don't even

8373
05:37:22,240 --> 05:37:25,200
know what that means, but

8374
05:37:25,200 --> 05:37:27,680
it's an older version, right? and and

8375
05:37:27,680 --> 05:37:29,440
you know the the Facebook site that's in

8376
05:37:29,440 --> 05:37:32,240
Eagle Mountain probably is an an Apple

8377
05:37:32,240 --> 05:37:35,680
7, you know, in terms of of how its

8378
05:37:35,680 --> 05:37:38,480
technology has been used.

8379
05:37:38,480 --> 05:37:40,480
And so this is one evolution or two

8380
05:37:40,480 --> 05:37:43,200
evolutions better and in terms of this

8381
05:37:43,200 --> 05:37:46,320
some of the issues. Um I think

8382
05:37:46,320 --> 05:37:49,040
specifically there this group has tried

8383
05:37:49,040 --> 05:37:52,080
to solve for sound even more than than

8384
05:37:52,080 --> 05:37:54,000
that Nova site. chatting with my

8385
05:37:54,000 --> 05:37:57,440
counterpart in in West Jordan, um he

8386
05:37:57,440 --> 05:38:01,120
said that that that particular site is a

8387
05:38:01,120 --> 05:38:05,600
fantastic neighbor. Um as they describe

8388
05:38:05,600 --> 05:38:08,958
different uh industrial uses out there,

8389
05:38:08,958 --> 05:38:10,480
u Jack, would you mind pulling up that

8390
05:38:10,480 --> 05:38:14,878
image of of the area? Um

8391
05:38:14,878 --> 05:38:18,480
in 2015, there was a a subdivision. If

8392
05:38:18,480 --> 05:38:20,160
you you can use Google Maps and go back

8393
05:38:20,160 --> 05:38:22,320
in time and Jack, if you'd circle around

8394
05:38:22,320 --> 05:38:24,798
the houses. Yeah, that subdivision right

8395
05:38:24,798 --> 05:38:27,040
there existed in 2015. It started to be

8396
05:38:27,040 --> 05:38:29,280
constructed in 20 2015 and everything

8397
05:38:29,280 --> 05:38:31,840
else around it wasn't there. It was a

8398
05:38:31,840 --> 05:38:36,638
large field. Um and then in the ensuing

8399
05:38:36,638 --> 05:38:39,040
years more development occurred and in

8400
05:38:39,040 --> 05:38:41,120
2020

8401
05:38:41,120 --> 05:38:44,878
where that red pin is that that building

8402
05:38:44,878 --> 05:38:47,440
and the two others on either side those

8403
05:38:47,440 --> 05:38:50,000
started to be constructed one at a time.

8404
05:38:50,000 --> 05:38:51,440
Those homes had been there for five

8405
05:38:51,440 --> 05:38:56,558
years. And um in this area you've got an

8406
05:38:56,558 --> 05:38:58,320
Amazon fulfillment center. You've got a

8407
05:38:58,320 --> 05:39:00,638
Cisco

8408
05:39:00,638 --> 05:39:04,160
uh a Cisco distribution center, Cisco

8409
05:39:04,160 --> 05:39:08,400
SYSCO, the food type, not computer type.

8410
05:39:08,400 --> 05:39:09,680
You've got another data center that's

8411
05:39:09,680 --> 05:39:12,638
off this image and down a little bit. I

8412
05:39:12,638 --> 05:39:14,000
think we saw a sheetrock. I don't know

8413
05:39:14,000 --> 05:39:15,120
what they do with sheetrock, but they

8414
05:39:15,120 --> 05:39:16,480
have a lot of sheetrock there, right?

8415
05:39:16,480 --> 05:39:17,760
Just a bunch of different industrial

8416
05:39:17,760 --> 05:39:20,240
facilities. And my counterpart in this

8417
05:39:20,240 --> 05:39:24,958
community said, "This is the quietest

8418
05:39:24,958 --> 05:39:30,320
business in the area." Um, they pay

8419
05:39:30,320 --> 05:39:33,520
their bills on time. They use the little

8420
05:39:33,520 --> 05:39:35,200
water that they said they use is exactly

8421
05:39:35,200 --> 05:39:37,280
what they use.

8422
05:39:37,280 --> 05:39:40,638
Um, they pay their taxes and and

8423
05:39:40,638 --> 05:39:42,400
continued on and said, "If I could have

8424
05:39:42,400 --> 05:39:45,200
10 of them in my community, I would take

8425
05:39:45,200 --> 05:39:48,000
10 because they're they're doing exactly

8426
05:39:48,000 --> 05:39:50,958
what they said and they're a great

8427
05:39:50,958 --> 05:39:52,480
community

8428
05:39:52,480 --> 05:39:55,200
benefit and partner. They're not a

8429
05:39:55,200 --> 05:39:56,240
worry."

8430
05:39:56,240 --> 05:39:58,958
um in terms of how that city operates

8431
05:39:58,958 --> 05:40:00,958
and that that has been I think really

8432
05:40:00,958 --> 05:40:03,280
helpful for me. So, as we've worked

8433
05:40:03,280 --> 05:40:05,040
through a lot of the issues, I think the

8434
05:40:05,040 --> 05:40:06,718
title that we've talked about

8435
05:40:06,718 --> 05:40:08,798
extensively tonight is is an excellent

8436
05:40:08,798 --> 05:40:11,120
draft and made better with with the

8437
05:40:11,120 --> 05:40:14,400
commentary that we've had tonight. Um,

8438
05:40:14,400 --> 05:40:16,718
we collectively, and when I say we, I'm

8439
05:40:16,718 --> 05:40:18,798
not saying just staff. You specifically

8440
05:40:18,798 --> 05:40:21,360
as mayor and counsel,

8441
05:40:21,360 --> 05:40:23,920
we have collectively heard the comments

8442
05:40:23,920 --> 05:40:27,360
and have tried to address every type.

8443
05:40:27,360 --> 05:40:32,160
And I'm confident that we have we've uh

8444
05:40:32,160 --> 05:40:35,520
we've heard. Um, I'm sure that for

8445
05:40:35,520 --> 05:40:36,718
somebody out there, this isn't

8446
05:40:36,718 --> 05:40:38,400
addressed, you know, to the the degree

8447
05:40:38,400 --> 05:40:40,160
that they want, [clears throat] but I'm

8448
05:40:40,160 --> 05:40:41,680
really confident that we've gotten it to

8449
05:40:41,680 --> 05:40:45,280
a place that is is great and and frankly

8450
05:40:45,280 --> 05:40:48,718
is more extensive than,

8451
05:40:48,718 --> 05:40:53,760
excuse me, than any other community that has dealt with this. So, I I've

8452
05:40:53,760 --> 05:40:57,200
leaned a lot on uh Dave and Vaughn in

8453
05:40:57,200 --> 05:41:00,160
this process and and you know, I think

8454
05:41:00,160 --> 05:41:01,760
they would they certainly could share

8455
05:41:01,760 --> 05:41:03,920
their own thoughts, but we feel like

8456
05:41:03,920 --> 05:41:05,840
we've gotten this to a a good place and

8457
05:41:05,840 --> 05:41:08,558
you've made it better and uh I don't

8458
05:41:08,558 --> 05:41:10,400
have any concerns anymore. I think

8459
05:41:10,400 --> 05:41:12,558
they've been mitigated. I think they've

8460
05:41:12,558 --> 05:41:15,760
been addressed and I know that there are

8461
05:41:15,760 --> 05:41:18,558
people that do have concerns and I'm

8462
05:41:18,558 --> 05:41:21,040
confident that when if this if this

8463
05:41:21,040 --> 05:41:24,480
passes and if it gets constructed that those concerns either won't

8464
05:41:24,480 --> 05:41:32,638
materialize because they aren't um what the fear says it is, you know, that

8465
05:41:32,638 --> 05:41:34,000
it won't be as loud or it won't be as

8466
05:41:34,000 --> 05:41:35,600
hot, right? Because again, I've I've

8467
05:41:35,600 --> 05:41:38,878
felt it in in actual application. So, I

8468
05:41:38,878 --> 05:41:40,320
don't think those fears will materialize

8469
05:41:40,320 --> 05:41:42,320
or if they do, I'm confident that we

8470
05:41:42,320 --> 05:41:44,878
have the ability to mitigate and that

8471
05:41:44,878 --> 05:41:48,240
they can be mitigated.

8472
05:41:48,240 --> 05:41:50,480
I think that's those are my sentiments.

8473
05:41:50,480 --> 05:41:52,216
>> Thanks. I appreciate that.

8474
05:41:52,216 --> 05:41:54,480
[clears throat] That's helpful. Do you

8475
05:41:54,480 --> 05:41:58,320
have any questions for manager parents

8476
05:41:58,320 --> 05:42:00,958
or or or

8477
05:42:00,958 --> 05:42:03,520
Dave or or Von? I don't want to limit

8478
05:42:03,520 --> 05:42:05,440
you from speaking either since he

8479
05:42:05,440 --> 05:42:08,638
mentioned you, but

8480
05:42:08,638 --> 05:42:10,080
anything that you wanted to add?

8481
05:42:10,080 --> 05:42:12,240
>> I'll just I'll just say I don't I'm not

8482
05:42:12,240 --> 05:42:17,440
going to comment on the public policy of data centers or AI or anything like

8483
05:42:17,440 --> 05:42:20,000
that. My role I think has been limited

8484
05:42:20,000 --> 05:42:23,280
to trying to make this legal and make it

8485
05:42:23,280 --> 05:42:25,520
possible in this title 15 with

8486
05:42:25,520 --> 05:42:27,760
appropriate guard rails and regulations

8487
05:42:27,760 --> 05:42:29,840
and with the forthcoming development

8488
05:42:29,840 --> 05:42:34,320
agreement. Um I think we've done that.

8489
05:42:34,320 --> 05:42:36,240
So

8490
05:42:36,240 --> 05:42:39,040
I guess from that aspect I'm proud proud

8491
05:42:39,040 --> 05:42:40,480
of the work and it's been a lot of work

8492
05:42:40,480 --> 05:42:42,240
the last

8493
05:42:42,240 --> 05:42:44,160
while

8494
05:42:44,160 --> 05:42:50,230
but I'm proud of the product.

8495
05:42:50,240 --> 05:42:53,280
» My only ad would be that even though we

8496
05:42:53,280 --> 05:42:55,680
met uh the folks from Valition just

8497
05:42:55,680 --> 05:42:58,320
either late last year or early this year

8498
05:42:58,320 --> 05:43:00,558
this has been in the works for a lot

8499
05:43:00,558 --> 05:43:02,000
longer than that. we've been talking

8500
05:43:02,000 --> 05:43:04,638
about this is a land use and is how to

8501
05:43:04,638 --> 05:43:06,558
deal with it and the potential to have

8502
05:43:06,558 --> 05:43:08,480
something like this operating in Spanish

8503
05:43:08,480 --> 05:43:11,280
Fork. Um all with a different model than

8504
05:43:11,280 --> 05:43:14,480
what Valition has presented. But these

8505
05:43:14,480 --> 05:43:16,400
are at least many of the questions that

8506
05:43:16,400 --> 05:43:18,160
you guys have have worked through are

8507
05:43:18,160 --> 05:43:20,718
things that have been on our minds for

8508
05:43:20,718 --> 05:43:24,628
quite some time.

8509
05:43:24,638 --> 05:43:28,320
» Thanks for that as well. Um

8510
05:43:28,320 --> 05:43:32,878
any any thoughts you guys have that you

8511
05:43:32,878 --> 05:43:35,840
have any further issues that you you

8512
05:43:35,840 --> 05:43:37,600
wanted to bring up or discuss that you

8513
05:43:37,600 --> 05:43:40,320
don't think we discussed

8514
05:43:40,320 --> 05:43:43,760
>> today tonight uh or any statements you

8515
05:43:43,760 --> 05:43:45,840
want to make before

8516
05:43:45,840 --> 05:43:47,680
uh possibly entertaining a motion on

8517
05:43:47,680 --> 05:43:48,400
this?

8518
05:43:48,400 --> 05:43:51,120
>> Yeah, Mayor got a few things and I know

8519
05:43:51,120 --> 05:43:51,920
we're getting [clears throat] late so

8520
05:43:51,920 --> 05:43:53,680
I'll try and

8521
05:43:53,680 --> 05:43:55,440
>> try and keep it short. Von talked about

8522
05:43:55,440 --> 05:43:59,440
his role or what his what his role in

8523
05:43:59,440 --> 05:44:01,440
this whole thing was. I feel like it's

8524
05:44:01,440 --> 05:44:04,240
important as a city council member to

8525
05:44:04,240 --> 05:44:08,080
kind of walk through my thinking and my

8526
05:44:08,080 --> 05:44:11,040
role um as I've come to this decision.

8527
05:44:11,040 --> 05:44:13,200
This is without a doubt the biggest

8528
05:44:13,200 --> 05:44:15,280
decision I think I will make as a member

8529
05:44:15,280 --> 05:44:17,520
of the city council. I've I'm on my

8530
05:44:17,520 --> 05:44:20,000
fifth year and I don't think there will

8531
05:44:20,000 --> 05:44:21,680
be anything that will come before me

8532
05:44:21,680 --> 05:44:24,240
that'll be more more impactful to the

8533
05:44:24,240 --> 05:44:26,320
community or more important than this.

8534
05:44:26,320 --> 05:44:29,520
And so I feel like I owe it to the

8535
05:44:29,520 --> 05:44:33,040
community to explain how I came to my

8536
05:44:33,040 --> 05:44:35,360
decision and how I came through this

8537
05:44:35,360 --> 05:44:38,080
process. Um

8538
05:44:38,080 --> 05:44:39,760
we're either voting yes or we're voting

8539
05:44:39,760 --> 05:44:41,520
no. for voting yes. I need to be

8540
05:44:41,520 --> 05:44:44,080
comfortable with saying that I feel like

8541
05:44:44,080 --> 05:44:46,878
I've looked at all of the impact or

8542
05:44:46,878 --> 05:44:49,280
potential impact that could come to the

8543
05:44:49,280 --> 05:44:52,080
city and I'm comfortable with that. If I

8544
05:44:52,080 --> 05:44:57,200
vote no, I need to be able to

8545
05:44:57,200 --> 05:44:59,840
also consider what happens by not

8546
05:44:59,840 --> 05:45:01,520
allowing this youth to come into the

8547
05:45:01,520 --> 05:45:03,440
city. And a lot of people say, well,

8548
05:45:03,440 --> 05:45:05,600
what's the benefit of even letting these

8549
05:45:05,600 --> 05:45:08,480
guys come? Why do we want a data center

8550
05:45:08,480 --> 05:45:10,160
as

8551
05:45:10,160 --> 05:45:11,920
a member of the city council, one of my

8552
05:45:11,920 --> 05:45:13,760
main responsibilities is the city

8553
05:45:13,760 --> 05:45:17,840
budget. And I cannot ignore the

8554
05:45:17,840 --> 05:45:20,558
potential of adding revenue from one

8555
05:45:20,558 --> 05:45:22,878
industry, from one business to the city

8556
05:45:22,878 --> 05:45:26,718
budget. when they talk about $4 million.

8557
05:45:26,718 --> 05:45:28,558
Currently, as a city, we bring in, if

8558
05:45:28,558 --> 05:45:31,040
you look at our current budget for 2027,

8559
05:45:31,040 --> 05:45:33,280
we're projecting to bring in $6.3

8560
05:45:33,280 --> 05:45:37,200
million in property taxes for everything

8561
05:45:37,200 --> 05:45:40,080
inside Spanish Fork. I don't know if

8562
05:45:40,080 --> 05:45:42,160
it's going to be $4 million, if that's

8563
05:45:42,160 --> 05:45:44,240
conservative or not, but that's the

8564
05:45:44,240 --> 05:45:45,600
number we've been given. So, you're

8565
05:45:45,600 --> 05:45:47,280
taking six million and you're adding

8566
05:45:47,280 --> 05:45:51,520
another four from from one business.

8567
05:45:51,520 --> 05:45:54,958
Um, as a board member of our senior

8568
05:45:54,958 --> 05:45:58,718
board where they're on fixed incomes and

8569
05:45:58,718 --> 05:46:00,958
they talk about property tax increases,

8570
05:46:00,958 --> 05:46:03,120
we've all had the experience of having

8571
05:46:03,120 --> 05:46:05,680
to go through a truth in taxation,

8572
05:46:05,680 --> 05:46:08,798
excuse me, truth and taxation and and we

8573
05:46:08,798 --> 05:46:10,638
did that a few years ago. That was not

8574
05:46:10,638 --> 05:46:12,400
pleasant.

8575
05:46:12,400 --> 05:46:15,920
If you take $4 million and you calculate

8576
05:46:15,920 --> 05:46:17,920
what that would look like in a truth and

8577
05:46:17,920 --> 05:46:21,120
taxation to bring in an additional $4

8578
05:46:21,120 --> 05:46:23,280
million revenue to the city, you're

8579
05:46:23,280 --> 05:46:25,920
looking at about $19 a month on every

8580
05:46:25,920 --> 05:46:28,878
household. Those those are real dollars,

8581
05:46:28,878 --> 05:46:32,080
real potential. Um will the city be fine

8582
05:46:32,080 --> 05:46:33,520
without this? Yeah, we've already

8583
05:46:33,520 --> 05:46:35,920
budgeted. We're going to we're going to

8584
05:46:35,920 --> 05:46:39,840
get by. um that's not a concern, but

8585
05:46:39,840 --> 05:46:41,200
we've been in meetings where we've

8586
05:46:41,200 --> 05:46:43,440
talked about future needs that this

8587
05:46:43,440 --> 05:46:46,320
growing city has, including our fire

8588
05:46:46,320 --> 05:46:48,638
department. And how long we'll be able

8589
05:46:48,638 --> 05:46:50,718
to continue to not do a truth in

8590
05:46:50,718 --> 05:46:54,000
taxation, I don't know. And so there is

8591
05:46:54,000 --> 05:46:56,400
that potential. So if I'm voting no, I

8592
05:46:56,400 --> 05:46:58,400
have to consider the fact that I am

8593
05:46:58,400 --> 05:47:01,200
saying no to a potential

8594
05:47:01,200 --> 05:47:03,600
property tax revenue to our city. And so

8595
05:47:03,600 --> 05:47:06,620
those are my two thoughts there. Um,

8596
05:47:06,620 --> 05:47:09,110
[clears throat]

8597
05:47:09,120 --> 05:47:10,480
one of the concerns that we're going to

8598
05:47:10,480 --> 05:47:12,718
get is that,

8599
05:47:12,718 --> 05:47:14,400
you know, why not more time? Why not

8600
05:47:14,400 --> 05:47:16,718
take more time and just, you know, think

8601
05:47:16,718 --> 05:47:20,080
this through a little bit longer?

8602
05:47:20,080 --> 05:47:22,320
I want to maybe Jack, do you have my

8603
05:47:22,320 --> 05:47:24,240
link that I sent you with the

8604
05:47:24,240 --> 05:47:25,840
spreadsheet?

8605
05:47:25,840 --> 05:47:28,878
So Dave mentioned this. We've not just

8606
05:47:28,878 --> 05:47:31,120
over the past two weeks been trying to

8607
05:47:31,120 --> 05:47:33,520
figure this out. We go to annual water

8608
05:47:33,520 --> 05:47:35,920
or power conferences where we've talked

8609
05:47:35,920 --> 05:47:39,760
about self-generation for a long time.

8610
05:47:39,760 --> 05:47:42,558
And so if somebody says, well, you

8611
05:47:42,558 --> 05:47:44,480
rushed into this, you didn't take time

8612
05:47:44,480 --> 05:47:46,160
to actually think about it. We've been

8613
05:47:46,160 --> 05:47:49,760
looking at this for a very long time.

8614
05:47:49,760 --> 05:47:54,080
We as a council received

8615
05:47:54,080 --> 05:47:57,040
223

8616
05:47:57,040 --> 05:48:00,558
emails from the residents with concerns.

8617
05:48:00,558 --> 05:48:02,718
We've read through every single email.

8618
05:48:02,718 --> 05:48:05,600
Those came from 187 unique individuals

8619
05:48:05,600 --> 05:48:08,080
that sent us an email. I've read every

8620
05:48:08,080 --> 05:48:10,400
single comment and watched every real on

8621
05:48:10,400 --> 05:48:12,558
Facebook regarding data centers. I know

8622
05:48:12,558 --> 05:48:14,000
it's being shared and I know what's

8623
05:48:14,000 --> 05:48:18,240
being said. I take this serious. Um,

8624
05:48:18,240 --> 05:48:20,558
this is a big deal to me. I took every

8625
05:48:20,558 --> 05:48:23,280
single email that we received from every

8626
05:48:23,280 --> 05:48:24,958
resident and I dissect. This is what I

8627
05:48:24,958 --> 05:48:27,280
do for work. I'm a business intelligence

8628
05:48:27,280 --> 05:48:30,400
analyst. I gather data. I analyze it and

8629
05:48:30,400 --> 05:48:33,440
I deliver it to upper management so they

8630
05:48:33,440 --> 05:48:35,440
can make important decisions for the

8631
05:48:35,440 --> 05:48:37,680
company I work for.

8632
05:48:37,680 --> 05:48:39,920
I dissected every single issue that

8633
05:48:39,920 --> 05:48:42,718
every resident brought before us and I

8634
05:48:42,718 --> 05:48:44,400
listed those concerns and those

8635
05:48:44,400 --> 05:48:46,558
questions. Um, you can go through every

8636
05:48:46,558 --> 05:48:48,080
single one of them. You got water,

8637
05:48:48,080 --> 05:48:49,520
you've got water chemicals. If you

8638
05:48:49,520 --> 05:48:52,000
scroll to the right a little bit, Jack,

8639
05:48:52,000 --> 05:48:54,878
you'll see who submitted that concern.

8640
05:48:54,878 --> 05:48:57,840
Those are all listed. After I gathered

8641
05:48:57,840 --> 05:48:59,600
that information of what are the

8642
05:48:59,600 --> 05:49:02,000
concerns the residents have, my next

8643
05:49:02,000 --> 05:49:05,680
concern or my next issue was how do we

8644
05:49:05,680 --> 05:49:07,360
make sure that we're addressing these

8645
05:49:07,360 --> 05:49:12,240
concerns in title 15 in the in the DA?

8646
05:49:12,240 --> 05:49:14,480
Um, and if there's a concern that we can

8647
05:49:14,480 --> 05:49:17,600
address, why not? I went through every

8648
05:49:17,600 --> 05:49:20,080
single question and I analyzed and

8649
05:49:20,080 --> 05:49:21,920
basically it goes back to that matrix

8650
05:49:21,920 --> 05:49:26,000
that we had before where I made sure

8651
05:49:26,000 --> 05:49:29,520
that in my mind every every base has

8652
05:49:29,520 --> 05:49:32,000
been covered and I I feel like we've

8653
05:49:32,000 --> 05:49:34,638
done that. Um

8654
05:49:34,638 --> 05:49:38,558
the title 15 that we're looking at today

8655
05:49:38,558 --> 05:49:40,718
is much better and much improved from

8656
05:49:40,718 --> 05:49:42,480
what we saw two weeks ago. And that's

8657
05:49:42,480 --> 05:49:45,280
because of not us. It's because of the

8658
05:49:45,280 --> 05:49:47,360
residents that submitted their concerns

8659
05:49:47,360 --> 05:49:49,200
that we were able to analyze and say,

8660
05:49:49,200 --> 05:49:51,200
"How do we mitigate this? How do we fix

8661
05:49:51,200 --> 05:49:53,840
this?" And so to everybody that sent an

8662
05:49:53,840 --> 05:49:56,240
email, Shane, you mentioned this

8663
05:49:56,240 --> 05:49:57,840
earlier, some of the emails were just

8664
05:49:57,840 --> 05:50:01,360
don't do it or do it. Some had actual

8665
05:50:01,360 --> 05:50:02,878
concerns that we were able to then

8666
05:50:02,878 --> 05:50:05,600
analyze. Some of them were not great.

8667
05:50:05,600 --> 05:50:08,240
Some of them said, "If you do this, we

8668
05:50:08,240 --> 05:50:11,360
will unelect you." Um, after the hours

8669
05:50:11,360 --> 05:50:13,120
of time that I put into this, that's

8670
05:50:13,120 --> 05:50:14,638
probably not the threat that you think

8671
05:50:14,638 --> 05:50:21,280
it is. So, um, but I am very comfortable

8672
05:50:21,280 --> 05:50:23,040
with the decision that I'm going to make

8673
05:50:23,040 --> 05:50:25,680
tonight because of the time that I've

8674
05:50:25,680 --> 05:50:27,360
put into this. And so, I just wanted to

8675
05:50:27,360 --> 05:50:29,920
make that clear.

8676
05:50:29,920 --> 05:50:31,760
>> Thank you, Councilman Oiler. Anybody

8677
05:50:31,760 --> 05:50:33,520
else want to

8678
05:50:33,520 --> 05:50:35,680
>> I don't want to follow, Kevin.

8679
05:50:35,680 --> 05:50:36,878
point.

8680
05:50:36,878 --> 05:50:39,520
>> Um

8681
05:50:39,520 --> 05:50:40,958
Kevin has done [snorts] a great great

8682
05:50:40,958 --> 05:50:42,320
amount of work and I appreciate that

8683
05:50:42,320 --> 05:50:46,638
effort immensely. Um I think everyone up

8684
05:50:46,638 --> 05:50:53,280
here today has reviewed this more than

8685
05:50:53,280 --> 05:50:54,958
any other item that we've ever come

8686
05:50:54,958 --> 05:50:56,240
across.

8687
05:50:56,240 --> 05:50:59,200
Um, some of us talk a lot up here and

8688
05:50:59,200 --> 05:51:01,920
some of us talk less, but I know for

8689
05:51:01,920 --> 05:51:03,920
sure that each one of us has put in a

8690
05:51:03,920 --> 05:51:05,280
ton of time to get to a point where

8691
05:51:05,280 --> 05:51:07,200
we're at today.

8692
05:51:07,200 --> 05:51:08,972
Um,

8693
05:51:08,972 --> 05:51:10,958
[clears throat]

8694
05:51:10,958 --> 05:51:13,040
I think we've come a long way from where

8695
05:51:13,040 --> 05:51:15,520
we were a month ago and I think we're

8696
05:51:15,520 --> 05:51:18,160
getting I feel like the code is getting

8697
05:51:18,160 --> 05:51:21,040
very close to a point where

8698
05:51:21,040 --> 05:51:23,280
whether or not the development agreement

8699
05:51:23,280 --> 05:51:25,040
gets there or not, I think the code is

8700
05:51:25,040 --> 05:51:26,798
getting to a point where it makes some

8701
05:51:26,798 --> 05:51:28,400
sense.

8702
05:51:28,400 --> 05:51:30,160
Um,

8703
05:51:30,160 --> 05:51:34,080
I'm not ready to say yes or no tonight.

8704
05:51:34,080 --> 05:51:37,520
I would prefer that now that we've heard

8705
05:51:37,520 --> 05:51:39,760
again from the community

8706
05:51:39,760 --> 05:51:43,600
heard from us the changes that Von's

8707
05:51:43,600 --> 05:51:45,040
going to make, which I know that we all

8708
05:51:45,040 --> 05:51:49,200
can see, um I would rather have that do

8709
05:51:49,200 --> 05:51:50,638
another two weeks of it. In the

8710
05:51:50,638 --> 05:51:52,400
meantime, put the development agreement

8711
05:51:52,400 --> 05:51:54,080
together so I can compare the two side

8712
05:51:54,080 --> 05:51:58,320
by side. Um

8713
05:51:58,320 --> 05:52:00,878
and then make a more informed decision.

8714
05:52:00,878 --> 05:52:05,360
But we are close. We are close to a code

8715
05:52:05,360 --> 05:52:07,680
that would make some sense if this is

8716
05:52:07,680 --> 05:52:09,888
something we want to do. I'm

8717
05:52:09,888 --> 05:52:11,040
[clears throat] not convinced this is

8718
05:52:11,040 --> 05:52:12,878
something we want to do, but I believe

8719
05:52:12,878 --> 05:52:15,520
that the code would protect the

8720
05:52:15,520 --> 05:52:19,440
citizenry if in fact we did say yes or

8721
05:52:19,440 --> 05:52:21,280
it's getting very close. So for me

8722
05:52:21,280 --> 05:52:25,200
tonight, I am I'm not ready to make a a

8723
05:52:25,200 --> 05:52:27,520
decision.

8724
05:52:27,520 --> 05:52:28,878
I [clears throat] want to take another

8725
05:52:28,878 --> 05:52:31,920
two weeks to take this this document

8726
05:52:31,920 --> 05:52:34,958
that we've had now for two days. Take

8727
05:52:34,958 --> 05:52:36,798
the changes that we've made tonight and

8728
05:52:36,798 --> 05:52:38,400
really internalize it before I made a

8729
05:52:38,400 --> 05:52:40,638
decision.

8730
05:52:40,638 --> 05:52:42,558
>> Document the development agreement or

8731
05:52:42,558 --> 05:52:44,240
the title 15

8732
05:52:44,240 --> 05:52:46,160
>> both. Well, I have never seen the

8733
05:52:46,160 --> 05:52:47,840
development agreement. I don't think any

8734
05:52:47,840 --> 05:52:49,200
of us have.

8735
05:52:49,200 --> 05:52:50,958
>> We've seen a rough draft.

8736
05:52:50,958 --> 05:52:52,958
>> So, I would

8737
05:52:52,958 --> 05:52:56,160
I want to take some time. I wanna

8738
05:52:56,160 --> 05:52:58,400
there's some questions that that I got

8739
05:52:58,400 --> 05:53:00,160
posed to me today that I can't answer

8740
05:53:00,160 --> 05:53:02,400
yet because I haven't I mean I was a on

8741
05:53:02,400 --> 05:53:04,160
a plane for most of the day today. So I

8742
05:53:04,160 --> 05:53:05,280
apologize. I didn't have a chance to

8743
05:53:05,280 --> 05:53:07,200
review it in the depth that I wanted to.

8744
05:53:07,200 --> 05:53:08,320
But I want to take some of the questions

8745
05:53:08,320 --> 05:53:10,558
that were posed to me from citizens, see

8746
05:53:10,558 --> 05:53:12,400
if if they've been addressed in this

8747
05:53:12,400 --> 05:53:15,120
current draft. I think they have.

8748
05:53:15,120 --> 05:53:18,400
Um be methodical about it. In the two

8749
05:53:18,400 --> 05:53:20,160
weeks between now and then work on the

8750
05:53:20,160 --> 05:53:22,080
development agreement

8751
05:53:22,080 --> 05:53:24,000
and have a conversation about that next

8752
05:53:24,000 --> 05:53:27,510
time.

8753
05:53:27,520 --> 05:53:30,240
Thank you, Councilman Marshall.

8754
05:53:30,240 --> 05:53:32,638
Council men and women,

8755
05:53:32,638 --> 05:53:35,920
>> I guess just to maybe go from there. I I

8756
05:53:35,920 --> 05:53:37,760
do appreciate all the time and effort

8757
05:53:37,760 --> 05:53:40,958
Kevin Shane did a lot to

8758
05:53:40,958 --> 05:53:46,400
um take what our title 15 was and then

8759
05:53:46,400 --> 05:53:48,160
change it. And then we now have a new

8760
05:53:48,160 --> 05:53:50,718
title 15 today that was posted last

8761
05:53:50,718 --> 05:53:52,638
yesterday. Um and then there were some

8762
05:53:52,638 --> 05:53:54,878
updates today. Um, so thank you for the

8763
05:53:54,878 --> 05:53:56,558
time, effort in that because it helped,

8764
05:53:56,558 --> 05:53:58,400
I don't know, saved me some time. So,

8765
05:53:58,400 --> 05:54:01,200
thank you for that side of it. Um, I

8766
05:54:01,200 --> 05:54:03,280
don't know that two weeks necessarily

8767
05:54:03,280 --> 05:54:06,160
would change where I'm at. I do think

8768
05:54:06,160 --> 05:54:09,120
that this new version of Title 15, I

8769
05:54:09,120 --> 05:54:11,440
would like time to digest and to see. I

8770
05:54:11,440 --> 05:54:12,718
don't know that it changes where I would

8771
05:54:12,718 --> 05:54:15,520
vote, but I do think that it's something

8772
05:54:15,520 --> 05:54:17,920
that we should take the time to really

8773
05:54:17,920 --> 05:54:19,600
digest and make sure that we understand

8774
05:54:19,600 --> 05:54:21,520
and know the changes that have been made

8775
05:54:21,520 --> 05:54:22,798
and the changes that we went over

8776
05:54:22,798 --> 05:54:24,160
tonight to make sure that they've all

8777
05:54:24,160 --> 05:54:26,160
been encapsulated. I I trust that Van

8778
05:54:26,160 --> 05:54:28,718
has been furiously taking notes over

8779
05:54:28,718 --> 05:54:30,240
there, but also I think that it's

8780
05:54:30,240 --> 05:54:32,638
important that we get this right. I also

8781
05:54:32,638 --> 05:54:33,680
think that there might be an

8782
05:54:33,680 --> 05:54:36,480
opportunity. Do we um and I think this

8783
05:54:36,480 --> 05:54:38,878
goes to Shane's uh comment earlier this

8784
05:54:38,878 --> 05:54:41,120
evening is does it have the teeth that

8785
05:54:41,120 --> 05:54:42,798
we need it to have? Does it stand up

8786
05:54:42,798 --> 05:54:45,520
against anybody? And I'm not saying that

8787
05:54:45,520 --> 05:54:47,280
Vaughn can't figure that out, but I do

8788
05:54:47,280 --> 05:54:49,440
think that this is as we've every time

8789
05:54:49,440 --> 05:54:51,120
we've done something with this, it's

8790
05:54:51,120 --> 05:54:53,200
gotten better. And so I think that if we

8791
05:54:53,200 --> 05:54:54,718
can have outside eyes look at it, it

8792
05:54:54,718 --> 05:54:56,638
could be helpful. Um I think there's an

8793
05:54:56,638 --> 05:54:57,920
opportunity there.

8794
05:54:57,920 --> 05:55:00,558
>> Who Sorry. Who when you say outside

8795
05:55:00,558 --> 05:55:03,760
eyes? We use outside attorneys for

8796
05:55:03,760 --> 05:55:05,600
things all the time. We have we have the

8797
05:55:05,600 --> 05:55:08,160
uh League of City and Towns. We have um

8798
05:55:08,160 --> 05:55:10,000
other council that could help. I

8799
05:55:10,000 --> 05:55:12,400
>> there's others that have done this.

8800
05:55:12,400 --> 05:55:13,840
Yeah, I'm not Again, I'm not saying that

8801
05:55:13,840 --> 05:55:15,040
Von can't see that. I just think that

8802
05:55:15,040 --> 05:55:17,120
there's probably an opportunity there.

8803
05:55:17,120 --> 05:55:19,360
>> I do still struggle with the the zoning

8804
05:55:19,360 --> 05:55:21,680
stuff. I I'm not going to lie about

8805
05:55:21,680 --> 05:55:23,280
that. That is still something that is

8806
05:55:23,280 --> 05:55:24,958
that plays in the back of my mind and

8807
05:55:24,958 --> 05:55:26,878
still a part of my decision- making. I

8808
05:55:26,878 --> 05:55:28,160
don't know that I'm there yet. And

8809
05:55:28,160 --> 05:55:30,798
that's kind of where I'm at.

8810
05:55:30,798 --> 05:55:32,080
I'd like to just kind of piggyback on

8811
05:55:32,080 --> 05:55:33,360
Councilman Carden. I haven't said a

8812
05:55:33,360 --> 05:55:34,958
whole lot this evening because I've been

8813
05:55:34,958 --> 05:55:36,320
uh I've been actually pretty impressed

8814
05:55:36,320 --> 05:55:39,440
with the title 15 changes and I I feel

8815
05:55:39,440 --> 05:55:41,600
like this is moving in a an excellent

8816
05:55:41,600 --> 05:55:43,520
direction. Uh excited about the

8817
05:55:43,520 --> 05:55:46,000
development agreement to see what comes

8818
05:55:46,000 --> 05:55:47,840
about of that. Now that said, I'm just

8819
05:55:47,840 --> 05:55:49,440
going to go back and forth a little bit

8820
05:55:49,440 --> 05:55:50,958
to give you some context on where I'm

8821
05:55:50,958 --> 05:55:54,480
at. Um, you know, I've, as was mentioned

8822
05:55:54,480 --> 05:55:56,480
earlier by Jeff, I was able to travel

8823
05:55:56,480 --> 05:55:59,600
and and experience Bloom Cells in person

8824
05:55:59,600 --> 05:56:01,120
and I've been on this journey for a

8825
05:56:01,120 --> 05:56:03,520
while and I don't have any concerns with

8826
05:56:03,520 --> 05:56:06,240
the Bloom Cell technology. I feel like

8827
05:56:06,240 --> 05:56:08,000
the residents of Spanish Fork though,

8828
05:56:08,000 --> 05:56:10,320
they are still trying to get that

8829
05:56:10,320 --> 05:56:12,798
confidence and trust with Valition and

8830
05:56:12,798 --> 05:56:15,200
you guys being newer at doing this. So,

8831
05:56:15,200 --> 05:56:16,878
I feel like there's a little bit of a

8832
05:56:16,878 --> 05:56:19,680
and I'm again a little bit of a pause

8833
05:56:19,680 --> 05:56:21,440
with with them in that. So that's what

8834
05:56:21,440 --> 05:56:24,320
I'm trying to work through. Um getting

8835
05:56:24,320 --> 05:56:26,080
them more comfortable. So that's that's

8836
05:56:26,080 --> 05:56:29,520
something. But um I also recognize

8837
05:56:29,520 --> 05:56:31,040
there's a sense of urgency, right? And

8838
05:56:31,040 --> 05:56:33,280
there, you know, it would be nice to

8839
05:56:33,280 --> 05:56:34,958
have a vote tonight and and I completely

8840
05:56:34,958 --> 05:56:38,558
understand and get that as well. Um, so

8841
05:56:38,558 --> 05:56:40,558
it's definitely a back and forth and

8842
05:56:40,558 --> 05:56:41,280
like I said, I'm [clears throat] I'm

8843
05:56:41,280 --> 05:56:42,558
much like Councilman Cardon kind of

8844
05:56:42,558 --> 05:56:45,440
where I fall at the moment, but I feel

8845
05:56:45,440 --> 05:56:48,000
like, you know, we're on a great path

8846
05:56:48,000 --> 05:56:51,520
here with the Title 15 and I I think it

8847
05:56:51,520 --> 05:56:53,040
is a good direction. It's just a it's a

8848
05:56:53,040 --> 05:56:54,480
tricky it's a tricky balancing act,

8849
05:56:54,480 --> 05:56:56,958
right? I know there's that that uh rush

8850
05:56:56,958 --> 05:56:59,600
sense, but also uh what what do we do?

8851
05:56:59,600 --> 05:57:01,120
So, I'm not quite sure what the answer

8852
05:57:01,120 --> 05:57:04,558
is, you know, but that's in a nutshell

8853
05:57:04,558 --> 05:57:09,040
where I am at this evening.

8854
05:57:09,040 --> 05:57:11,040
>> Well, it sounds to me like three for

8855
05:57:11,040 --> 05:57:13,280
sure don't want to vote tonight, but

8856
05:57:13,280 --> 05:57:15,280
I'll at least kind of put my two cents

8857
05:57:15,280 --> 05:57:18,558
out there. Um, I think we've come a long

8858
05:57:18,558 --> 05:57:20,878
way. I've appreciated Valition. I think

8859
05:57:20,878 --> 05:57:22,480
you guys have been great to work with.

8860
05:57:22,480 --> 05:57:24,718
Staff appreciates you. I appreciate

8861
05:57:24,718 --> 05:57:28,320
staff. I trust staff. I appreciate Kevin

8862
05:57:28,320 --> 05:57:30,240
and Shane. all of us at our

8863
05:57:30,240 --> 05:57:33,840
conversations and honestly one day I'm

8864
05:57:33,840 --> 05:57:36,000
voting this way and the next day I'm

8865
05:57:36,000 --> 05:57:38,160
voting this way

8866
05:57:38,160 --> 05:57:40,400
even even right now I'm like what what

8867
05:57:40,400 --> 05:57:42,638
would I do I know I can't convince

8868
05:57:42,638 --> 05:57:44,878
people to love data centers that are

8869
05:57:44,878 --> 05:57:47,280
forever going to hate them giving it two

8870
05:57:47,280 --> 05:57:49,200
more weeks will that change a whole

8871
05:57:49,200 --> 05:57:51,360
entire community's mind about AI and

8872
05:57:51,360 --> 05:57:54,558
data centers so I think the residents in

8873
05:57:54,558 --> 05:57:57,200
my head there's a group that there's a

8874
05:57:57,200 --> 05:58:00,320
hell no Then there's a group that's Yes.

8875
05:58:00,320 --> 05:58:04,000
And there's a big portion in the middle

8876
05:58:04,000 --> 05:58:06,000
that

8877
05:58:06,000 --> 05:58:11,120
want to be educated. They're not they're not being ignorant or

8878
05:58:11,120 --> 05:58:12,638
uneducated. They're just like they're

8879
05:58:12,638 --> 05:58:14,320
still learning. And I think if we give

8880
05:58:14,320 --> 05:58:16,718
them more time, they'll get there. But I

8881
05:58:16,718 --> 05:58:18,240
also know that doesn't meet your

8882
05:58:18,240 --> 05:58:22,160
timelines. Um I don't think it's really

8883
05:58:22,160 --> 05:58:24,558
up to us to say data centers are good,

8884
05:58:24,558 --> 05:58:26,240
data centers are bad. that I think we're

8885
05:58:26,240 --> 05:58:29,200
trying to implement the policy and after

8886
05:58:29,200 --> 05:58:30,798
discussing everything tonight and

8887
05:58:30,798 --> 05:58:33,280
reading everything after we received it

8888
05:58:33,280 --> 05:58:36,000
yesterday I I feel good about where we

8889
05:58:36,000 --> 05:58:38,160
are. Um

8890
05:58:38,160 --> 05:58:40,320
>> yeah I guess and that that would be my

8891
05:58:40,320 --> 05:58:42,480
question is

8892
05:58:42,480 --> 05:58:46,000
this gets tabled pushed off two weeks we

8893
05:58:46,000 --> 05:58:47,680
come back two weeks and we go through it

8894
05:58:47,680 --> 05:58:49,280
line by line again.

8895
05:58:49,280 --> 05:58:51,680
>> No what are we looking at?

8896
05:58:51,680 --> 05:58:54,160
>> Nope. That's that's not what I would

8897
05:58:54,160 --> 05:58:56,000
propose. I mean, if it took that, I

8898
05:58:56,000 --> 05:58:56,878
would be fine with it.

8899
05:58:56,878 --> 05:58:58,878
>> Do we do we find more changes next time

8900
05:58:58,878 --> 05:59:01,440
and we do another two weeks?

8901
05:59:01,440 --> 05:59:02,878
>> Potentially,

8902
05:59:02,878 --> 05:59:04,638
>> maybe.

8903
05:59:04,638 --> 05:59:06,240
>> So, you'll get there when you're when

8904
05:59:06,240 --> 05:59:07,840
you're comfortable. You're just not

8905
05:59:07,840 --> 05:59:09,120
comfortable right now, correct? Because

8906
05:59:09,120 --> 05:59:10,798
you've not seen the actual changes put

8907
05:59:10,798 --> 05:59:11,280
into law.

8908
05:59:11,280 --> 05:59:12,558
>> I mean, I know what they're going to be.

8909
05:59:12,558 --> 05:59:14,958
They're not they're not very

8910
05:59:14,958 --> 05:59:16,080
>> substantial to right now.

8911
05:59:16,080 --> 05:59:17,040
>> I guess that's my question.

8912
05:59:17,040 --> 05:59:19,200
>> It's a fair question, Kevin. I I think

8913
05:59:19,200 --> 05:59:21,280
>> when will I be ready and how what's the

8914
05:59:21,280 --> 05:59:22,718
process look like? Fair question.

8915
05:59:22,718 --> 05:59:25,280
resolved tonight that we've not not

8916
05:59:25,280 --> 05:59:26,958
discussed, I guess, is my question. What

8917
05:59:26,958 --> 05:59:29,600
are we still if we're going to continue

8918
05:59:29,600 --> 05:59:32,000
to do this? What I guess what's the

8919
05:59:32,000 --> 05:59:33,920
expectation? What are we trying to get

8920
05:59:33,920 --> 05:59:37,520
to that we didn't get to tonight?

8921
05:59:37,520 --> 05:59:39,840
>> I I can't tell you the the changes that

8922
05:59:39,840 --> 05:59:41,760
I would make if I had more time because

8923
05:59:41,760 --> 05:59:44,240
I haven't had more time to dive into it.

8924
05:59:44,240 --> 05:59:45,760
So, I I don't know how how to answer

8925
05:59:45,760 --> 05:59:48,400
that question. I would come prepared

8926
05:59:48,400 --> 05:59:51,200
next week or two weeks from now. Well,

8927
05:59:51,200 --> 05:59:53,200
first of all, I would give these guys

8928
05:59:53,200 --> 05:59:56,320
feedback on on what changes I would want

8929
05:59:56,320 --> 05:59:57,600
to see.

8930
05:59:57,600 --> 05:59:59,920
>> I think that that over the course of

8931
05:59:59,920 --> 06:00:02,718
this um

8932
06:00:02,718 --> 06:00:04,480
I've historically given the feedback

8933
06:00:04,480 --> 06:00:07,120
fairly quickly and I would commit to

8934
06:00:07,120 --> 06:00:08,798
doing that as well. They're getting

8935
06:00:08,798 --> 06:00:10,558
smaller and smaller. We went from a we

8936
06:00:10,558 --> 06:00:12,480
went from a complete rewrite, right? We

8937
06:00:12,480 --> 06:00:15,360
went from this is a completely different

8938
06:00:15,360 --> 06:00:17,120
>> text amendment than it was. So, is it

8939
06:00:17,120 --> 06:00:19,200
possible two weeks from now you've had

8940
06:00:19,200 --> 06:00:20,240
time to look at it and you're like,

8941
06:00:20,240 --> 06:00:21,600
"Yeah, I'm I'm good."

8942
06:00:21,600 --> 06:00:22,718
>> Absolutely, that could be the

8943
06:00:22,718 --> 06:00:25,520
possibility. It could be

8944
06:00:25,520 --> 06:00:28,000
>> that I'm not good and would vote no for

8945
06:00:28,000 --> 06:00:31,360
it next time, right? But it's But

8946
06:00:31,360 --> 06:00:33,840
this is, we've all said it, the biggest

8947
06:00:33,840 --> 06:00:35,280
thing we've done in a long time,

8948
06:00:35,280 --> 06:00:36,240
probably the biggest thing we're going

8949
06:00:36,240 --> 06:00:38,240
to do for a long time after that. I want

8950
06:00:38,240 --> 06:00:40,240
to get it right. Plain and simple. I

8951
06:00:40,240 --> 06:00:42,638
think this what we're doing tonight can

8952
06:00:42,638 --> 06:00:44,878
set the stage or over the last several

8953
06:00:44,878 --> 06:00:47,200
weeks, months could set the stage for

8954
06:00:47,200 --> 06:00:48,638
not just our community, but for

8955
06:00:48,638 --> 06:00:50,480
communities across Utah. I think there

8956
06:00:50,480 --> 06:00:53,040
was a lady tonight that said um the

8957
06:00:53,040 --> 06:00:54,320
federal government's trying to override

8958
06:00:54,320 --> 06:01:01,040
states and local control. Um I don't I think she's correct. Um clearly

8959
06:01:01,040 --> 06:01:04,000
from how the how data centers have been

8960
06:01:04,000 --> 06:01:05,440
implemented across the country, they're

8961
06:01:05,440 --> 06:01:07,280
not not in good spots, right? Or we

8962
06:01:07,280 --> 06:01:08,080
wouldn't be getting this kind of

8963
06:01:08,080 --> 06:01:10,480
feedback. this might be the place where

8964
06:01:10,480 --> 06:01:13,760
we have some reasonable regulations

8965
06:01:13,760 --> 06:01:15,680
to be implemented across the state of

8966
06:01:15,680 --> 06:01:17,520
Utah, not just in Spanish Fork, right?

8967
06:01:17,520 --> 06:01:19,440
And not that not that that should weigh

8968
06:01:19,440 --> 06:01:20,878
on us that we're going to set the

8969
06:01:20,878 --> 06:01:23,280
standard. Um, but the state of Utah is

8970
06:01:23,280 --> 06:01:24,558
debating on

8971
06:01:24,558 --> 06:01:26,400
>> the data centers as we speak, right?

8972
06:01:26,400 --> 06:01:28,558
They're going to put some language at

8973
06:01:28,558 --> 06:01:30,320
the state level together. Maybe they can

8974
06:01:30,320 --> 06:01:33,680
use some of ours. My my point is I I

8975
06:01:33,680 --> 06:01:35,200
appreciate the urgency that they've had

8976
06:01:35,200 --> 06:01:37,680
and and they've been very good about

8977
06:01:37,680 --> 06:01:40,000
responding to our needs has and I

8978
06:01:40,000 --> 06:01:42,320
appreciate that immensely.

8979
06:01:42,320 --> 06:01:45,440
Um that their urgency does not create

8980
06:01:45,440 --> 06:01:47,680
urgency on my part though and I want to

8981
06:01:47,680 --> 06:01:49,040
make sure that I walk through this

8982
06:01:49,040 --> 06:01:51,600
methodically and get it as right as

8983
06:01:51,600 --> 06:01:53,360
possible because we're going to live

8984
06:01:53,360 --> 06:01:56,160
with this for a very long time. I think

8985
06:01:56,160 --> 06:01:58,878
that we're at a point now that it's a

8986
06:01:58,878 --> 06:02:00,638
better use in that location than the

8987
06:02:00,638 --> 06:02:01,440
existing use

8988
06:02:01,440 --> 06:02:02,400
>> for sure.

8989
06:02:02,400 --> 06:02:04,558
>> I still don't know if I want it in our

8990
06:02:04,558 --> 06:02:09,840
community. That said, right? So, I have some time to think about I want

8991
06:02:09,840 --> 06:02:11,280
some time to think about it. I want some

8992
06:02:11,280 --> 06:02:13,120
time to think to to review this code

8993
06:02:13,120 --> 06:02:20,878
more in depth and and give it the the due diligence that it that it

8994
06:02:20,878 --> 06:02:22,958
needs. So, I can't tell you if I'll be

8995
06:02:22,958 --> 06:02:25,120
ready in two weeks. I will have my

8996
06:02:25,120 --> 06:02:26,638
comments ready to be discussed in two

8997
06:02:26,638 --> 06:02:27,840
weeks and they won't be complete

8998
06:02:27,840 --> 06:02:30,798
rewrite. So those are my extremes.

8999
06:02:30,798 --> 06:02:32,718
>> But to your to one of the things that we

9000
06:02:32,718 --> 06:02:36,240
said right is at least what Jeff said

9001
06:02:36,240 --> 06:02:37,840
and maybe I heard you wrong so you can

9002
06:02:37,840 --> 06:02:40,000
correct me is if a no vote is

9003
06:02:40,000 --> 06:02:42,000
essentially a vote the valition might be

9004
06:02:42,000 --> 06:02:43,840
out because of the fact of timing. Is

9005
06:02:43,840 --> 06:02:45,840
that correct? Did I hear that right

9006
06:02:45,840 --> 06:02:49,510
earlier?

9007
06:02:49,520 --> 06:02:52,400
Can I ask a a separate question just so

9008
06:02:52,400 --> 06:02:54,240
that we understand because I don't think

9009
06:02:54,240 --> 06:02:56,000
we understand this. If there's no vote

9010
06:02:56,000 --> 06:02:57,520
tonight,

9011
06:02:57,520 --> 06:02:59,840
what is our process if we choose to

9012
06:02:59,840 --> 06:03:02,080
withdraw? Is that something that we

9013
06:03:02,080 --> 06:03:05,680
would we have to formally request that?

9014
06:03:05,680 --> 06:03:10,240
How how would we if we chose that the

9015
06:03:10,240 --> 06:03:12,480
timing because here here's how we see

9016
06:03:12,480 --> 06:03:17,200
this. I don't see a 50 unanimous vote

9017
06:03:17,200 --> 06:03:20,718
here at any time. So, if we go two more

9018
06:03:20,718 --> 06:03:25,680
weeks and we get a uh majority vote,

9019
06:03:25,680 --> 06:03:27,920
then that will trigger, as I mentioned

9020
06:03:27,920 --> 06:03:30,480
earlier, a process for a referendum.

9021
06:03:30,480 --> 06:03:32,878
There probably will be enough momentum

9022
06:03:32,878 --> 06:03:37,120
for folks to file for that. then they

9023
06:03:37,120 --> 06:03:39,520
will have this

9024
06:03:39,520 --> 06:03:42,480
45ish day window to go get 8,000

9025
06:03:42,480 --> 06:03:45,440
signatures. Ultimately, we don't think

9026
06:03:45,440 --> 06:03:48,000
that they would accomplish that just on

9027
06:03:48,000 --> 06:03:51,360
the research that we have done. But what

9028
06:03:51,360 --> 06:03:54,400
this does, it puts us out into late

9029
06:03:54,400 --> 06:03:56,558
October

9030
06:03:56,558 --> 06:04:00,798
um at a point where the referendum

9031
06:04:00,798 --> 06:04:03,280
um movement

9032
06:04:03,280 --> 06:04:06,798
will have likely exhausted that that

9033
06:04:06,798 --> 06:04:08,400
process.

9034
06:04:08,400 --> 06:04:12,718
and o late October between now and late

9035
06:04:12,718 --> 06:04:15,520
October we we will have to make a

9036
06:04:15,520 --> 06:04:18,160
different decision about keeping our

9037
06:04:18,160 --> 06:04:21,760
team in place and going somewhere where

9038
06:04:21,760 --> 06:04:23,280
we know that we will be able to

9039
06:04:23,280 --> 06:04:25,440
successfully build.

9040
06:04:25,440 --> 06:04:28,240
So, I just want to be sure that I

9041
06:04:28,240 --> 06:04:31,120
understand if there's no vote tonight up

9042
06:04:31,120 --> 06:04:34,160
or down,

9043
06:04:34,160 --> 06:04:36,718
what requirement do we have to

9044
06:04:36,718 --> 06:04:40,798
participate in another meeting in two

9045
06:04:40,798 --> 06:04:42,878
weeks? Or if we choose not to, what's

9046
06:04:42,878 --> 06:04:45,600
the formal process for that?

9047
06:04:45,600 --> 06:04:47,200
>> There's any

9048
06:04:47,200 --> 06:04:49,440
>> I think you can imagine there's any land

9049
06:04:49,440 --> 06:04:50,320
use application.

9050
06:04:50,320 --> 06:04:52,400
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think you you just

9051
06:04:52,400 --> 06:04:54,558
withdraw your application and I think

9052
06:04:54,558 --> 06:04:56,080
the council then chooses whether or not

9053
06:04:56,080 --> 06:04:57,680
they want to continue discussing it on

9054
06:04:57,680 --> 06:04:58,480
their own.

9055
06:04:58,480 --> 06:05:00,160
>> Yeah.

9056
06:05:00,160 --> 06:05:01,280
>> So, [snorts] that's just what we'll have

9057
06:05:01,280 --> 06:05:03,920
to decide um

9058
06:05:03,920 --> 06:05:05,360
>> based based on no vote.

9059
06:05:05,360 --> 06:05:07,680
>> Not a fee, not a cost to withdraw an

9060
06:05:07,680 --> 06:05:09,120
application like there is to make an

9061
06:05:09,120 --> 06:05:11,600
application. It's just a statement

9062
06:05:11,600 --> 06:05:14,160
>> $4 million to withdraw.

9063
06:05:14,160 --> 06:05:18,798
>> Yeah. So, yeah, that that's will it's

9064
06:05:18,798 --> 06:05:20,718
just something without a vote tonight.

9065
06:05:20,718 --> 06:05:24,000
one way. Then we we have a a very short

9066
06:05:24,000 --> 06:05:28,638
window to decide um if we move to a a

9067
06:05:28,638 --> 06:05:30,320
location that is asking us to be there

9068
06:05:30,320 --> 06:05:30,798
now.

9069
06:05:30,798 --> 06:05:31,760
>> Sure.

9070
06:05:31,760 --> 06:05:33,520
>> Um or not.

9071
06:05:33,520 --> 06:05:34,878
>> And we respect that.

9072
06:05:34,878 --> 06:05:36,480
>> Of course. Yeah.

9073
06:05:36,480 --> 06:05:37,840
>> I guess the alternative to that though

9074
06:05:37,840 --> 06:05:41,280
is we call for a vote, it's no, it's 32

9075
06:05:41,280 --> 06:05:42,240
no

9076
06:05:42,240 --> 06:05:44,878
>> and there isn't another meeting.

9077
06:05:44,878 --> 06:05:48,558
then we would then we would know and we

9078
06:05:48,558 --> 06:05:50,638
would have we would have that extra

9079
06:05:50,638 --> 06:05:53,200
month or so which is actually at this

9080
06:05:53,200 --> 06:05:56,080
point valuable to us. Ultimately we will

9081
06:05:56,080 --> 06:05:59,360
be standing up these facilities. Um we

9082
06:05:59,360 --> 06:06:02,160
really wanted to do this here. We think

9083
06:06:02,160 --> 06:06:05,200
it's an ideal scenario. I don't I know

9084
06:06:05,200 --> 06:06:07,760
that there's nothing that's going to

9085
06:06:07,760 --> 06:06:10,638
come up in the next two weeks that is

9086
06:06:10,638 --> 06:06:12,638
going to be a fundamental

9087
06:06:12,638 --> 06:06:17,120
shift that this group has not explored

9088
06:06:17,120 --> 06:06:20,000
or somehow has overlooked.

9089
06:06:20,000 --> 06:06:23,280
Um and

9090
06:06:23,280 --> 06:06:27,120
so it seems as though it just it's going

9091
06:06:27,120 --> 06:06:29,440
to be a

9092
06:06:29,440 --> 06:06:31,440
um

9093
06:06:31,440 --> 06:06:34,958
really an unnecessary exercise in

9094
06:06:34,958 --> 06:06:36,718
allowing additional time. I don't know

9095
06:06:36,718 --> 06:06:39,680
if that's for, you know, having

9096
06:06:39,680 --> 06:06:41,440
constituents feel better. I don't know

9097
06:06:41,440 --> 06:06:43,520
if it helps you feel better on a

9098
06:06:43,520 --> 06:06:45,280
reelection that you're able to say we

9099
06:06:45,280 --> 06:06:51,760
gave it this extra time. you know there have been um

9100
06:06:51,760 --> 06:06:54,958
there has been no lack of exhausting

9101
06:06:54,958 --> 06:07:00,240
every every possible aspect of this. Um

9102
06:07:00,240 --> 06:07:04,958
so um that will just we we will just

9103
06:07:04,958 --> 06:07:09,200
have to quickly make a decision if we

9104
06:07:09,200 --> 06:07:12,558
proceed in the process and I know and I know that you respect that and we

9105
06:07:12,558 --> 06:07:14,638
respect your process.

9106
06:07:14,638 --> 06:07:17,440
>> Thank you. I appreciate that Jeff. I

9107
06:07:17,440 --> 06:07:20,160
think your company has shown respect of

9108
06:07:20,160 --> 06:07:26,718
the process with this availability and uh and the things that go into that.

9109
06:07:26,718 --> 06:07:28,638
Um

9110
06:07:28,638 --> 06:07:31,840
yeah, I guess my statements here is is

9111
06:07:31,840 --> 06:07:36,638
that I will second that the the council

9112
06:07:36,638 --> 06:07:40,798
here does their uh does their homework

9113
06:07:40,798 --> 06:07:44,240
um looks into these things. Um this is

9114
06:07:44,240 --> 06:07:46,240
local government. local government that

9115
06:07:46,240 --> 06:07:51,360
is that is lay government in in taking

9116
06:07:51,360 --> 06:07:53,440
considerable time

9117
06:07:53,440 --> 06:07:56,798
and and effort away from things and and

9118
06:07:56,798 --> 06:08:00,240
um and looking into this uh for the

9119
06:08:00,240 --> 06:08:02,480
importance that it is and and and it it

9120
06:08:02,480 --> 06:08:05,520
shouldn't be lost that it's uh the same

9121
06:08:05,520 --> 06:08:08,718
way with our city staff. And and just

9122
06:08:08,718 --> 06:08:10,480
again to the public in case you don't

9123
06:08:10,480 --> 06:08:13,200
know already, our city staff is second

9124
06:08:13,200 --> 06:08:17,840
to absolutely none. Um, if if you don't

9125
06:08:17,840 --> 06:08:19,760
need to take the mayor's word for that,

9126
06:08:19,760 --> 06:08:21,840
just go ask another city what they think

9127
06:08:21,840 --> 06:08:25,360
about Spanish Fork and our ability to

9128
06:08:25,360 --> 06:08:28,480
look at things, to contemplate things,

9129
06:08:28,480 --> 06:08:33,040
and to arrive at decisions that time and

9130
06:08:33,040 --> 06:08:36,480
time again, year after year,

9131
06:08:36,480 --> 06:08:40,160
result in positive movements forward for

9132
06:08:40,160 --> 06:08:44,160
our city. And uh, they don't have to

9133
06:08:44,160 --> 06:08:46,080
tell you that. they will just tell you

9134
06:08:46,080 --> 06:08:48,798
that. And I know us as a council should

9135
06:08:48,798 --> 06:08:50,878
not discount that because we hear that

9136
06:08:50,878 --> 06:08:53,040
probably more than anybody. But if you

9137
06:08:53,040 --> 06:08:54,638
want to go ask, you should you as the

9138
06:08:54,638 --> 06:08:56,878
public should go ask the professionals

9139
06:08:56,878 --> 06:09:00,080
that we that we have here. So I I can't

9140
06:09:00,080 --> 06:09:02,798
overstate that time, that effort, and

9141
06:09:02,798 --> 06:09:05,120
that research. And and also again on the

9142
06:09:05,120 --> 06:09:09,600
human side, the the care and uh and the

9143
06:09:09,600 --> 06:09:11,760
love that they they have for this

9144
06:09:11,760 --> 06:09:14,558
community just as much as us. and and

9145
06:09:14,558 --> 06:09:17,680
just as much as all of you do as well.

9146
06:09:17,680 --> 06:09:19,040
Doesn't mean we can't have differences

9147
06:09:19,040 --> 06:09:20,958
of opinions. I'm I'm not I'm not getting

9148
06:09:20,958 --> 06:09:24,320
to that. But um I will tell you the

9149
06:09:24,320 --> 06:09:27,520
financial part of this opportunity. I

9150
06:09:27,520 --> 06:09:31,360
would certainly call it an opportunity

9151
06:09:31,360 --> 06:09:34,718
uh to move this forward and still have

9152
06:09:34,718 --> 06:09:38,000
the things that have to be met. uh I

9153
06:09:38,000 --> 06:09:41,360
think are are are certainly these

9154
06:09:41,360 --> 06:09:43,360
hurdles that would still have to be met

9155
06:09:43,360 --> 06:09:46,798
if this was moved forward by us that I

9156
06:09:46,798 --> 06:09:48,160
think those guard rails those

9157
06:09:48,160 --> 06:09:52,000
protections have been put in place. If

9158
06:09:52,000 --> 06:09:55,280
the tradeoff of what this funding type

9159
06:09:55,280 --> 06:10:02,240
of funding would mean to our city that Kevin touched on um is you know is

9160
06:10:02,240 --> 06:10:05,440
substantial. It's not worth if I thought

9161
06:10:05,440 --> 06:10:09,680
it was trading off any health aspects,

9162
06:10:09,680 --> 06:10:11,920
any quality of life aspects to our

9163
06:10:11,920 --> 06:10:15,120
community. I would be against it and I

9164
06:10:15,120 --> 06:10:17,360
would be against it from the outset. I

9165
06:10:17,360 --> 06:10:19,600
think the solution

9166
06:10:19,600 --> 06:10:22,400
discussion that's that's been here and

9167
06:10:22,400 --> 06:10:25,760
present in meetings is an important one

9168
06:10:25,760 --> 06:10:29,440
and uh and I'm I'm thankful I'm thankful

9169
06:10:29,440 --> 06:10:30,878
that there's been more discussions of

9170
06:10:30,878 --> 06:10:33,680
solutions. Um

9171
06:10:33,680 --> 06:10:36,638
but again

9172
06:10:36,638 --> 06:10:38,638
that financial impact that could happen

9173
06:10:38,638 --> 06:10:40,798
to our community more so I would say to

9174
06:10:40,798 --> 06:10:43,280
our school district that most of us pay

9175
06:10:43,280 --> 06:10:48,638
our taxes too heavily is a opportunity.

9176
06:10:48,638 --> 06:10:50,240
Uh and again if I thought that

9177
06:10:50,240 --> 06:10:52,000
opportunity had trade-offs of our public

9178
06:10:52,000 --> 06:10:55,440
health I would not be for it but

9179
06:10:55,440 --> 06:10:58,320
I don't see that it does. Um so that's

9180
06:10:58,320 --> 06:11:01,680
where I'm at. I think I've made my uh

9181
06:11:01,680 --> 06:11:05,200
statement uh tonight, but I've made my

9182
06:11:05,200 --> 06:11:11,680
statement uh on social media, too. And uh and and and that's that's fine.

9183
06:11:11,680 --> 06:11:15,760
Um, it's not it's not to say that we

9184
06:11:15,760 --> 06:11:19,280
haven't taken all information received here tonight,

9185
06:11:19,280 --> 06:11:21,120
information received in the previous

9186
06:11:21,120 --> 06:11:25,360
weeks and days and months and and that's

9187
06:11:25,360 --> 06:11:27,600
what's got us to a better point, which I

9188
06:11:27,600 --> 06:11:30,240
think all of us have have alluded to is

9189
06:11:30,240 --> 06:11:32,080
getting to a better point. So, that's

9190
06:11:32,080 --> 06:11:35,600
where I stand as mayor. Um,

9191
06:11:35,600 --> 06:11:37,520
any other discussions or questions that

9192
06:11:37,520 --> 06:11:39,680
you would have as as council members

9193
06:11:39,680 --> 06:11:41,920
that vote on this? I'm happy to hear

9194
06:11:41,920 --> 06:11:52,548
them or I'm happy to hear a motion.

9195
06:11:52,558 --> 06:11:55,360
» I was waiting for Jesse. I'll make a

9196
06:11:55,360 --> 06:11:57,040
motion and we'll just go from there. I

9197
06:11:57,040 --> 06:11:59,440
don't no big deal for me. I move that we

9198
06:11:59,440 --> 06:12:03,360
continue this for two weeks.

9199
06:12:03,360 --> 06:12:06,160
>> Motion made by Councilman Marshall.

9200
06:12:06,160 --> 06:12:08,400
Second by Councilman Carden. A roll call

9201
06:12:08,400 --> 06:12:10,000
vote here. Councilman Carden.

9202
06:12:10,000 --> 06:12:11,920
>> Yes. Councilman Oiler,

9203
06:12:11,920 --> 06:12:12,480
>> no.

9204
06:12:12,480 --> 06:12:13,280
>> Council,

9205
06:12:13,280 --> 06:12:14,480
>> can I explain my vote?

9206
06:12:14,480 --> 06:12:15,600
>> Yes, please.

9207
06:12:15,600 --> 06:12:17,440
>> We're asked when we vote no to explain

9208
06:12:17,440 --> 06:12:18,000
our votes.

9209
06:12:18,000 --> 06:12:18,718
>> Yes.

9210
06:12:18,718 --> 06:12:20,638
>> The applicant requested an up or down

9211
06:12:20,638 --> 06:12:25,040
vote. Yes or no. Uh he's explained why.

9212
06:12:25,040 --> 06:12:30,798
I think tableabling this knowing that the applicant is likely to withdraw

9213
06:12:30,798 --> 06:12:32,958
is the easy way out knowing that we

9214
06:12:32,958 --> 06:12:35,360
won't have to vote in the future. And as

9215
06:12:35,360 --> 06:12:37,280
elected officials, I don't think we were

9216
06:12:37,280 --> 06:12:39,680
elected to take the easy way out. So

9217
06:12:39,680 --> 06:12:41,760
that's why I'm voting no.

9218
06:12:41,760 --> 06:12:44,080
>> Thank you, Councilman Oiler. Uh,

9219
06:12:44,080 --> 06:12:45,760
Councilwoman Beck,

9220
06:12:45,760 --> 06:12:46,718
>> yes.

9221
06:12:46,718 --> 06:12:47,760
>> Councilman Marshall,

9222
06:12:47,760 --> 06:12:48,240
>> yes.

9223
06:12:48,240 --> 06:12:49,280
>> Councilman Tuk,

9224
06:12:49,280 --> 06:12:49,680
>> yes.

9225
06:12:49,680 --> 06:12:51,760
>> And where'd it go, Council Garden? You

9226
06:12:51,760 --> 06:12:54,480
don't want to do it again?

9227
06:12:54,480 --> 06:12:57,200
>> Okay. Uh, that motion passes 4 to one uh

9228
06:12:57,200 --> 06:13:00,400
to table this item uh for two weeks. Uh,

9229
06:13:00,400 --> 06:13:03,600
so appreciate that discussion. Um,

9230
06:13:03,600 --> 06:13:05,120
appreciate the questions and again

9231
06:13:05,120 --> 06:13:08,160
appreciate the public's involvement

9232
06:13:08,160 --> 06:13:10,878
tonight. uh and in previous meetings as

9233
06:13:10,878 --> 06:13:13,840
well. Uh we've got one more item on the

9234
06:13:13,840 --> 06:13:16,160
agenda.

9235
06:13:16,160 --> 06:13:17,040
>> Four.

9236
06:13:17,040 --> 06:13:18,320
>> We have like four more items.

9237
06:13:18,320 --> 06:13:19,040
>> We have four more.

9238
06:13:19,040 --> 06:13:20,798
>> At least three. Yeah.

9239
06:13:20,798 --> 06:13:22,320
>> But no closed session.

9240
06:13:22,320 --> 06:13:24,798
>> Kevin, that was a that was a good

9241
06:13:24,798 --> 06:13:28,240
justification for the no vote. Man, I

9242
06:13:28,240 --> 06:13:30,400
genuinely like

9243
06:13:30,400 --> 06:13:32,798
>> like that was good.

9244
06:13:32,798 --> 06:13:34,000
>> That's very fair.

9245
06:13:34,000 --> 06:13:37,840
>> That was 10. Let's see.

9246
06:13:37,840 --> 06:13:42,240
That was 101. Uh 10 two

9247
06:13:42,240 --> 06:13:44,240
>> tableabling that as well. I guess that

9248
06:13:44,240 --> 06:13:48,798
would be a motion. Uh 10 two is kind of

9249
06:13:48,798 --> 06:13:50,798
hand and glove with 101 if somebody

9250
06:13:50,798 --> 06:13:53,840
wants to make a motion there.

9251
06:13:53,840 --> 06:13:56,000
>> I move that we table 10 two.

9252
06:13:56,000 --> 06:13:58,160
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

9253
06:13:58,160 --> 06:13:58,638
>> Second.

9254
06:13:58,638 --> 06:14:00,798
by Councilwoman Beck. A roll call

9255
06:14:00,798 --> 06:14:02,718
vote here. Councilwoman Beck. Yes.

9256
06:14:02,718 --> 06:14:03,920
Councilman Marshall. Yes.

9257
06:14:03,920 --> 06:14:05,760
>> Councilman Tuk. Yes. Councilman Carden.

9258
06:14:05,760 --> 06:14:07,040
Yes. Councilman Oiler.

9259
06:14:07,040 --> 06:14:08,638
>> No. Same reason as before.

9260
06:14:08,638 --> 06:14:11,680
>> Thank you. 102's table. 103 SF Youth

9261
06:14:11,680 --> 06:14:14,878
Theater Separation Agreement.

9262
06:14:14,878 --> 06:14:17,680
>> Spanish Fork Youth Theater.

9263
06:14:17,680 --> 06:14:20,480
>> Bronco.

9264
06:14:20,480 --> 06:14:22,000
>> Good morning, Mayor and Council. I

9265
06:14:22,000 --> 06:14:24,138
didn't mean to clear the room.

9266
06:14:24,138 --> 06:14:25,680
[laughter] Uh

9267
06:14:25,680 --> 06:14:28,240
so back in July uh Youth Theater,

9268
06:14:28,240 --> 06:14:31,200
Smashburg Youth Theater approached us uh

9269
06:14:31,200 --> 06:14:33,760
with a desire to separate from the city

9270
06:14:33,760 --> 06:14:36,798
and uh the arts council

9271
06:14:36,798 --> 06:14:39,600
uh due to the lack of availability in

9272
06:14:39,600 --> 06:14:43,440
facilities and time in the schools. Uh

9273
06:14:43,440 --> 06:14:46,718
which I completely understand. uh they

9274
06:14:46,718 --> 06:14:49,760
it's gotten harder and uh and with all

9275
06:14:49,760 --> 06:14:51,600
due respect and but credit to you

9276
06:14:51,600 --> 06:14:53,760
theaters, I believe some of it's their

9277
06:14:53,760 --> 06:14:56,240
fault because they have ran such a good

9278
06:14:56,240 --> 06:14:57,840
program since they've joined the city

9279
06:14:57,840 --> 06:14:59,920
umbrella or has come under the city

9280
06:14:59,920 --> 06:15:02,558
umbrella in 2007. Those kids are now

9281
06:15:02,558 --> 06:15:04,000
participating in high school programs.

9282
06:15:04,000 --> 06:15:05,280
They've stayed with them and they're

9283
06:15:05,280 --> 06:15:06,480
filling it up and so it's been a

9284
06:15:06,480 --> 06:15:08,798
challenge for them. So they uh they

9285
06:15:08,798 --> 06:15:10,000
would like to venture out on their own

9286
06:15:10,000 --> 06:15:12,718
and and try to seek out other

9287
06:15:12,718 --> 06:15:15,280
facilities. And so we've uh created a

9288
06:15:15,280 --> 06:15:17,280
separation agreement and one thing that

9289
06:15:17,280 --> 06:15:20,240
we we desire to do is to help them get a

9290
06:15:20,240 --> 06:15:23,680
start uh in their independence. And

9291
06:15:23,680 --> 06:15:26,080
we've listed in this agreement uh some

9292
06:15:26,080 --> 06:15:29,280
assets we'd like to give them. Uh one is

9293
06:15:29,280 --> 06:15:33,520
a one set rem one set mover. Uh three

9294
06:15:33,520 --> 06:15:35,920
pressure zone microphones, six labier

9295
06:15:35,920 --> 06:15:38,878
microphones, 39 uh mic pouches and

9296
06:15:38,878 --> 06:15:43,440
clips. Uh all the current set props and

9297
06:15:43,440 --> 06:15:46,480
costumes that they've used uh since 2007

9298
06:15:46,480 --> 06:15:48,638
that are in our storage units, the

9299
06:15:48,638 --> 06:15:51,040
rights to the show performances. Uh so

9300
06:15:51,040 --> 06:15:55,040
the MTI agreement uh to perform Lion

9301
06:15:55,040 --> 06:15:59,120
King Jr. and beauty and the prints and

9302
06:15:59,120 --> 06:16:02,080
their contracts and their and their uh

9303
06:16:02,080 --> 06:16:04,638
and their show kit. And then the last

9304
06:16:04,638 --> 06:16:07,600
thing is to um allow them to use the

9305
06:16:07,600 --> 06:16:09,200
storage units and then place them in

9306
06:16:09,200 --> 06:16:12,320
their names uh January 1st so we pay

9307
06:16:12,320 --> 06:16:14,080
through the through the end of this

9308
06:16:14,080 --> 06:16:16,878
year. And uh with that said, we wish

9309
06:16:16,878 --> 06:16:18,558
them the best in their future endeavors

9310
06:16:18,558 --> 06:16:24,080
and hope that they're very successful in their in their new way. So

9311
06:16:24,080 --> 06:16:25,680
>> that's great. Any questions?

9312
06:16:25,680 --> 06:16:27,680
>> Questions for Bronco about this

9313
06:16:27,680 --> 06:16:30,080
separation agreement?

9314
06:16:30,080 --> 06:16:31,440
>> No, Bronco, I appreciate it. I know you

9315
06:16:31,440 --> 06:16:32,558
and I have talked about this quite at

9316
06:16:32,558 --> 06:16:34,400
length and I appreciate the time and

9317
06:16:34,400 --> 06:16:35,920
effort that you and the rest of the

9318
06:16:35,920 --> 06:16:38,798
parks group and Emily or whomever has

9319
06:16:38,798 --> 06:16:40,240
been helping with that to figure out how

9320
06:16:40,240 --> 06:16:42,320
we can best help them as they get going

9321
06:16:42,320 --> 06:16:44,638
because I know that it's going to be,

9322
06:16:44,638 --> 06:16:45,760
you know, that especially the

9323
06:16:45,760 --> 06:16:47,200
productions that we've had already paid

9324
06:16:47,200 --> 06:16:50,160
for to to give those is is a good good

9325
06:16:50,160 --> 06:16:52,718
effort to try to hey, you know, hey, we

9326
06:16:52,718 --> 06:16:54,400
want you to be successful. So, thank

9327
06:16:54,400 --> 06:16:54,718
you.

9328
06:16:54,718 --> 06:16:56,160
>> Yeah. Thank you.

9329
06:16:56,160 --> 06:16:57,520
>> Thank you.

9330
06:16:57,520 --> 06:16:59,440
>> No other questions for Bronco. I'd

9331
06:16:59,440 --> 06:17:05,990
entertain a motion on 10.3.

9332
06:17:06,000 --> 06:17:06,718
» And the motion.

9333
06:17:06,718 --> 06:17:08,000
>> I don't see it.

9334
06:17:08,000 --> 06:17:10,000
>> I move that we approve the Spanish Fork

9335
06:17:10,000 --> 06:17:12,160
Youth Theater separation agreement.

9336
06:17:12,160 --> 06:17:14,240
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

9337
06:17:14,240 --> 06:17:14,718
Second.

9338
06:17:14,718 --> 06:17:16,718
>> Second by Councilman Oiler. Roll call

9339
06:17:16,718 --> 06:17:18,798
vote here. Councilwoman Beck. Yes.

9340
06:17:18,798 --> 06:17:19,920
>> Councilman Marshall? Yes.

9341
06:17:19,920 --> 06:17:20,958
>> Councilman Tuk? Yes.

9342
06:17:20,958 --> 06:17:21,760
>> Councilman Carden?

9343
06:17:21,760 --> 06:17:22,160
>> Yes.

9344
06:17:22,160 --> 06:17:24,160
>> Councilman Oiler? Yes.

9345
06:17:24,160 --> 06:17:26,000
>> Item 10.3

9346
06:17:26,000 --> 06:17:28,480
is approved. Takes us to 11, a

9347
06:17:28,480 --> 06:17:33,600
discussion item. This is Highway 6 and

9348
06:17:33,600 --> 06:17:36,240
Center Street.

9349
06:17:36,240 --> 06:17:39,976
Manager Paring

9350
06:17:39,986 --> 06:17:43,430
[clears throat]

9351
06:17:43,440 --> 06:17:44,718
a little stiff like he's been sitting

9352
06:17:44,718 --> 06:17:45,520
for a long time.

9353
06:17:45,520 --> 06:17:47,360
>> It's tomorrow. My body's like it's

9354
06:17:47,360 --> 06:17:48,878
tired.

9355
06:17:48,878 --> 06:17:52,310
Um,

9356
06:17:52,320 --> 06:17:54,638
so tonight this is just a a discussion

9357
06:17:54,638 --> 06:17:58,718
item for you or want to let you know.

9358
06:17:58,718 --> 06:18:00,240
Um,

9359
06:18:00,240 --> 06:18:01,920
sorry I've lost my notes as I was

9360
06:18:01,920 --> 06:18:04,080
walking down here.

9361
06:18:04,080 --> 06:18:05,760
Um,

9362
06:18:05,760 --> 06:18:08,480
a couple of months ago, probably two

9363
06:18:08,480 --> 06:18:11,440
months ago, I in my conversations that I

9364
06:18:11,440 --> 06:18:13,840
regularly have with my directors, this

9365
06:18:13,840 --> 06:18:15,680
particular conversation was with Chief

9366
06:18:15,680 --> 06:18:18,240
Hails, not the chief financial officer

9367
06:18:18,240 --> 06:18:21,680
Hails, but the fire chief Hails.

9368
06:18:21,680 --> 06:18:23,200
And

9369
06:18:23,200 --> 06:18:25,840
I asked him, if you could wave a magic

9370
06:18:25,840 --> 06:18:28,000
wand and solve any challenge in our

9371
06:18:28,000 --> 06:18:33,440
community, uh, what would you do? And he

9372
06:18:33,440 --> 06:18:34,718
said, "Highway six and center." He

9373
06:18:34,718 --> 06:18:36,000
didn't even think about it. I was

9374
06:18:36,000 --> 06:18:37,280
expecting, you know, thoughtful

9375
06:18:37,280 --> 06:18:39,520
whatever. He said, "Highway six and

9376
06:18:39,520 --> 06:18:41,520
center." So, what would you do about

9377
06:18:41,520 --> 06:18:43,840
Highway six and center?

9378
06:18:43,840 --> 06:18:46,798
>> He said he would remove the pass

9379
06:18:46,798 --> 06:18:50,480
permissive left turn

9380
06:18:50,480 --> 06:18:52,958
that is there. Now,

9381
06:18:52,958 --> 06:18:54,798
>> one east

9382
06:18:54,798 --> 06:18:56,480
>> going into the subdivision.

9383
06:18:56,480 --> 06:18:58,718
Remove the

9384
06:18:58,718 --> 06:19:00,958
permissive left.

9385
06:19:00,958 --> 06:19:03,760
So, coming up the hill,

9386
06:19:03,760 --> 06:19:06,480
>> coming up the hill and turning left into

9387
06:19:06,480 --> 06:19:08,798
the subdivision.

9388
06:19:08,798 --> 06:19:11,120
>> Let me restate that.

9389
06:19:11,120 --> 06:19:11,600
>> Which one is that?

9390
06:19:11,600 --> 06:19:15,440
>> There we go. So, coming up the hill

9391
06:19:15,440 --> 06:19:16,320
>> on the bridge.

9392
06:19:16,320 --> 06:19:17,120
>> Yeah, right there.

9393
06:19:17,120 --> 06:19:18,160
>> Coming across the bridge.

9394
06:19:18,160 --> 06:19:19,520
>> Okay. Okay.

9395
06:19:19,520 --> 06:19:21,120
>> Coming home to go home.

9396
06:19:21,120 --> 06:19:23,680
>> Coming up the hill on Highway six.

9397
06:19:23,680 --> 06:19:24,000
>> Yep.

9398
06:19:24,000 --> 06:19:24,320
>> Okay.

9399
06:19:24,320 --> 06:19:26,320
>> It's It's actually super important that

9400
06:19:26,320 --> 06:19:27,840
we're all on the same page here.

9401
06:19:27,840 --> 06:19:29,360
>> It's important for some of us who live

9402
06:19:29,360 --> 06:19:31,120
right there. It's I'm not joking. This

9403
06:19:31,120 --> 06:19:33,520
is super important. So, coming up

9404
06:19:33,520 --> 06:19:36,958
Highway six from McDonald's,

9405
06:19:36,958 --> 06:19:40,718
In-N-Out Burger, coming up the hill,

9406
06:19:40,718 --> 06:19:43,680
getting into the lefthand turn lane,

9407
06:19:43,680 --> 06:19:45,680
and turning left to go over the Cut

9408
06:19:45,680 --> 06:19:48,480
Bridge and into the Sunny Ridge

9409
06:19:48,480 --> 06:19:50,320
subdivision.

9410
06:19:50,320 --> 06:19:53,760
There is a permissive left turn here off

9411
06:19:53,760 --> 06:19:57,280
peak hours. in peak hours during the

9412
06:19:57,280 --> 06:20:00,000
morning and afternoon or evening times.

9413
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:03,040
There is not a permissive left there. Uh

9414
06:20:03,040 --> 06:20:06,480
but there is a permissive left there

9415
06:20:06,480 --> 06:20:09,040
right now. If when Landon goes home, if

9416
06:20:09,040 --> 06:20:10,558
he was coming up center street, he would

9417
06:20:10,558 --> 06:20:12,798
have a blinking yellow light that would

9418
06:20:12,798 --> 06:20:15,120
allow him to make his a judgment whether

9419
06:20:15,120 --> 06:20:18,320
or not he felt he could turn left there.

9420
06:20:18,320 --> 06:20:21,120
Chief Hail's request was that we ask UD

9421
06:20:21,120 --> 06:20:23,120
do to change that removing the

9422
06:20:23,120 --> 06:20:27,520
permissive left and making it so it is a

9423
06:20:27,520 --> 06:20:32,160
left turn on green arrow only

9424
06:20:32,160 --> 06:20:33,920
restricting that movement. It will

9425
06:20:33,920 --> 06:20:36,160
restrict movements.

9426
06:20:36,160 --> 06:20:38,878
We did this a couple of years ago.

9427
06:20:38,878 --> 06:20:41,840
residents reached out to UD do after we

9428
06:20:41,840 --> 06:20:45,760
did that and UD do [clears throat] said

9429
06:20:45,760 --> 06:20:48,798
Spanish work said they wanted it.

9430
06:20:48,798 --> 06:20:52,958
We said no we don't really it's okay and

9431
06:20:52,958 --> 06:20:55,840
they put it back to how it is now. So I

9432
06:20:55,840 --> 06:20:56,958
wanted to make sure that you're

9433
06:20:56,958 --> 06:21:00,400
comfortable. If you are not tell me

9434
06:21:00,400 --> 06:21:03,040
Chief Hell's request, Chief Johnson, I

9435
06:21:03,040 --> 06:21:06,718
know you've looked at this as well. Our traffic uh engineer has looked at

9436
06:21:06,718 --> 06:21:09,920
it. Um, there are

9437
06:21:09,920 --> 06:21:12,080
there's no silver bullet here. It will

9438
06:21:12,080 --> 06:21:14,798
make people frustrated. If we put a

9439
06:21:14,798 --> 06:21:16,320
permissive left, if we remove the

9440
06:21:16,320 --> 06:21:19,040
permissive left at two o'clock at

9441
06:21:19,040 --> 06:21:19,360
>> Yeah.

9442
06:21:19,360 --> 06:21:21,360
>> 12:27 at night, somebody's going to be

9443
06:21:21,360 --> 06:21:23,280
sitting there on a red arrow,

9444
06:21:23,280 --> 06:21:24,240
>> they'll go anyway,

9445
06:21:24,240 --> 06:21:25,520
>> saying, "I'm not waiting." And then

9446
06:21:25,520 --> 06:21:26,718
they're going to go. So, there will be

9447
06:21:26,718 --> 06:21:28,718
somebody who will

9448
06:21:28,718 --> 06:21:30,718
>> run that red light. And there may be

9449
06:21:30,718 --> 06:21:32,798
somebody that runs that red light and

9450
06:21:32,798 --> 06:21:35,040
gets in an accident.

9451
06:21:35,040 --> 06:21:38,480
what Chief Hail's experiences uh we had

9452
06:21:38,480 --> 06:21:42,638
20 roughly 20 accidents at this location

9453
06:21:42,638 --> 06:21:45,920
uh on average the last four years um

9454
06:21:45,920 --> 06:21:48,958
some years 23 some years 18 right but

9455
06:21:48,958 --> 06:21:51,760
roughly 20 accidents that's about one

9456
06:21:51,760 --> 06:21:54,798
and a half a month

9457
06:21:54,798 --> 06:21:57,440
um not all of them have happened you

9458
06:21:57,440 --> 06:21:59,040
know with the exact same movement but

9459
06:21:59,040 --> 06:22:00,878
what Chief Hail's experience what the

9460
06:22:00,878 --> 06:22:04,240
crews report is that when there is a

9461
06:22:04,240 --> 06:22:07,040
left and turn in this location

9462
06:22:07,040 --> 06:22:09,600
specifically. Uh they're always really

9463
06:22:09,600 --> 06:22:12,160
bad and the crews go and they're using

9464
06:22:12,160 --> 06:22:13,920
the jaws of life to cut people out. It's

9465
06:22:13,920 --> 06:22:17,040
traumatic uh for the crews. It's awful

9466
06:22:17,040 --> 06:22:20,558
for those certainly those involved and

9467
06:22:20,558 --> 06:22:22,638
um and every once in a while one of

9468
06:22:22,638 --> 06:22:28,160
those accidents is extremely serious and some have been fatal.

9469
06:22:28,160 --> 06:22:30,558
So

9470
06:22:30,558 --> 06:22:34,798
staff is not totally um

9471
06:22:34,798 --> 06:22:36,558
I don't think anyone on staff believes

9472
06:22:36,558 --> 06:22:38,958
this is the perfect answer, but

9473
06:22:38,958 --> 06:22:40,480
considering the circumstances, I think

9474
06:22:40,480 --> 06:22:42,558
everyone on staff believes that this is

9475
06:22:42,558 --> 06:22:45,840
a better answer to remove the permissive

9476
06:22:45,840 --> 06:22:49,200
left and and have a red

9477
06:22:49,200 --> 06:22:51,600
arrow

9478
06:22:51,600 --> 06:22:54,000
and a red arrow and green arrows only

9479
06:22:54,000 --> 06:22:55,680
that you don't have permissive left off

9480
06:22:55,680 --> 06:22:59,440
peak. Um,

9481
06:22:59,440 --> 06:23:00,638
>> that's our recommendation.

9482
06:23:00,638 --> 06:23:03,360
>> Is the idea why that's better because it

9483
06:23:03,360 --> 06:23:04,638
doesn't allow for people to pull out

9484
06:23:04,638 --> 06:23:07,200
into lane and be there like vulnerable

9485
06:23:07,200 --> 06:23:09,440
to turn? Is that like the idea behind

9486
06:23:09,440 --> 06:23:09,760
traffic?

9487
06:23:09,760 --> 06:23:11,520
>> So, they're misjudging a left turn.

9488
06:23:11,520 --> 06:23:14,240
>> It just means that they're Yeah. I for

9489
06:23:14,240 --> 06:23:16,878
whatever reason, I'm either not seeing

9490
06:23:16,878 --> 06:23:18,558
that you're coming as fast as you're

9491
06:23:18,558 --> 06:23:20,320
coming at me. So, I turn and I get hit

9492
06:23:20,320 --> 06:23:23,280
by you. You don't see me. I don't see

9493
06:23:23,280 --> 06:23:25,520
you because the sun is coming up.

9494
06:23:25,520 --> 06:23:26,480
>> Yeah. or going down.

9495
06:23:26,480 --> 06:23:27,840
>> I also think there's a little bit of the

9496
06:23:27,840 --> 06:23:29,520
fact that the speed is when they're

9497
06:23:29,520 --> 06:23:31,760
coming down Highway 6, it's going from

9498
06:23:31,760 --> 06:23:34,718
60 to 55 to 50 right within that period

9499
06:23:34,718 --> 06:23:35,680
of time.

9500
06:23:35,680 --> 06:23:37,120
>> The people coming up the hill are going

9501
06:23:37,120 --> 06:23:39,520
50 and I don't think they realize

9502
06:23:39,520 --> 06:23:41,360
>> not everybody is going it has hit the

9503
06:23:41,360 --> 06:23:42,958
speed limit correctly at that point.

9504
06:23:42,958 --> 06:23:43,840
>> It's just fast.

9505
06:23:43,840 --> 06:23:45,920
>> It is fast.

9506
06:23:45,920 --> 06:23:47,760
>> So that's that's the idea. There will be

9507
06:23:47,760 --> 06:23:49,760
residents in this area that will

9508
06:23:49,760 --> 06:23:52,400
complain that they have to wait

9509
06:23:52,400 --> 06:23:53,040
>> for sure

9510
06:23:53,040 --> 06:23:55,120
>> coming home from work at 8:00. It's not

9511
06:23:55,120 --> 06:23:57,440
that busy. I can judge it. Let me go.

9512
06:23:57,440 --> 06:23:59,360
Don't give me a ticket. Don't cause me

9513
06:23:59,360 --> 06:24:01,520
to do that.

9514
06:24:01,520 --> 06:24:03,200
>> One thing, Seth, that they did, so at

9515
06:24:03,200 --> 06:24:05,440
the street by my house, it's always been

9516
06:24:05,440 --> 06:24:07,200
the restrictive red, but they have done

9517
06:24:07,200 --> 06:24:08,878
a good job. And I don't know what UD do

9518
06:24:08,878 --> 06:24:10,558
with their timing, but they have done a

9519
06:24:10,558 --> 06:24:13,680
good job at since they added in the

9520
06:24:13,680 --> 06:24:15,040
second Walmart lane. I don't remember

9521
06:24:15,040 --> 06:24:16,240
which lane it was, but one of those

9522
06:24:16,240 --> 06:24:18,240
lanes when they got added in, the timing

9523
06:24:18,240 --> 06:24:19,440
is a lot faster.

9524
06:24:19,440 --> 06:24:19,920
>> Yeah.

9525
06:24:19,920 --> 06:24:20,718
>> I mean, that's probably something that

9526
06:24:20,718 --> 06:24:21,840
we could do with UD do.

9527
06:24:21,840 --> 06:24:23,280
>> We've adjusted timing. We've shortened

9528
06:24:23,280 --> 06:24:27,040
gaps. Um, there's a better term for that I'm

9529
06:24:27,040 --> 06:24:29,920
>> Yeah, I'm not into Shane helped me with

9530
06:24:29,920 --> 06:24:32,320
>> there's a you know how a car goes

9531
06:24:32,320 --> 06:24:33,920
through and then there's another gap and

9532
06:24:33,920 --> 06:24:35,600
then there's another car.

9533
06:24:35,600 --> 06:24:37,280
>> Yeah. So, and we've done a lot of that

9534
06:24:37,280 --> 06:24:39,040
tweaking on on those intersections. We

9535
06:24:39,040 --> 06:24:41,040
can employ all of those here.

9536
06:24:41,040 --> 06:24:47,200
>> It'll add probably 15 to 20 seconds in a cycle. Uh,

9537
06:24:47,200 --> 06:24:49,920
>> so anyway, staff staff proposes that we

9538
06:24:49,920 --> 06:24:51,040
don't want to do anything that you're

9539
06:24:51,040 --> 06:24:53,360
going to as you get any feedback, you

9540
06:24:53,360 --> 06:24:55,440
say, "Hey, let's undo it." That whiplash

9541
06:24:55,440 --> 06:24:59,840
is not, I don't think, good. Um, so if

9542
06:24:59,840 --> 06:25:01,840
you have any concerns,

9543
06:25:01,840 --> 06:25:03,040
please share those with us.

9544
06:25:03,040 --> 06:25:04,638
>> Not to blabber this meeting, but like

9545
06:25:04,638 --> 06:25:06,718
that along with the flashing yellows

9546
06:25:06,718 --> 06:25:08,798
that have been added there to let people

9547
06:25:08,798 --> 06:25:11,040
know that there's a stop coming. I feel

9548
06:25:11,040 --> 06:25:12,878
like living in the area has helped.

9549
06:25:12,878 --> 06:25:13,040
Yeah.

9550
06:25:13,040 --> 06:25:14,558
>> So, I think anything that we can do to

9551
06:25:14,558 --> 06:25:15,840
because there's when there's a wreck

9552
06:25:15,840 --> 06:25:17,680
there, they're they're usually not great

9553
06:25:17,680 --> 06:25:18,400
wrecks either.

9554
06:25:18,400 --> 06:25:20,400
>> They're bad. Yeah. Yeah. The AWS has

9555
06:25:20,400 --> 06:25:23,440
really helped in all locations at ETH

9556
06:25:23,440 --> 06:25:25,600
here at center and at Spanishport.

9557
06:25:25,600 --> 06:25:26,638
>> Yeah.

9558
06:25:26,638 --> 06:25:29,520
>> I'm I'm still fully supported.

9559
06:25:29,520 --> 06:25:30,480
>> Any concerns?

9560
06:25:30,480 --> 06:25:31,440
>> Nope.

9561
06:25:31,440 --> 06:25:32,400
>> Other concerns?

9562
06:25:32,400 --> 06:25:36,160
>> This is how it should be. I mean it

9563
06:25:36,160 --> 06:25:37,760
the

9564
06:25:37,760 --> 06:25:42,000
to rely on a judgment call at speeds

9565
06:25:42,000 --> 06:25:45,120
greater than 65

9566
06:25:45,120 --> 06:25:48,320
is just is not a good solution. I'll

9567
06:25:48,320 --> 06:25:50,718
take the heat for someone having to wait

9568
06:25:50,718 --> 06:25:53,520
30 more seconds to turn left.

9569
06:25:53,520 --> 06:25:54,240
>> That's fine.

9570
06:25:54,240 --> 06:25:56,480
>> They can make it up by speeding.

9571
06:25:56,480 --> 06:25:57,760
>> Oh, wait. No, you say stop.

9572
06:25:57,760 --> 06:26:00,718
>> They've sped to get to this point.

9573
06:26:00,718 --> 06:26:02,638
>> They can wait a minute to turn left.

9574
06:26:02,638 --> 06:26:03,040
Thank you.

9575
06:26:03,040 --> 06:26:04,480
>> It may sound simple, but would it be

9576
06:26:04,480 --> 06:26:06,320
possible in addition to making this

9577
06:26:06,320 --> 06:26:08,558
change to work with Jack's team to do

9578
06:26:08,558 --> 06:26:10,798
like a little even a social media like

9579
06:26:10,798 --> 06:26:13,040
info, hey, we're making this change and

9580
06:26:13,040 --> 06:26:15,440
this is what it is. Some basic

9581
06:26:15,440 --> 06:26:19,600
>> we were hoping that we could just simply

9582
06:26:19,600 --> 06:26:20,400
>> or that

9583
06:26:20,400 --> 06:26:22,798
>> just I mean we're fair game at this

9584
06:26:22,798 --> 06:26:25,300
point everything

9585
06:26:25,300 --> 06:26:26,480
[laughter]

9586
06:26:26,480 --> 06:26:27,840
>> this is Travis's department anyway,

9587
06:26:27,840 --> 06:26:28,718
right? Public works

9588
06:26:28,718 --> 06:26:30,958
>> probably.

9589
06:26:30,958 --> 06:26:32,878
>> No action here. You're just looking for

9590
06:26:32,878 --> 06:26:33,600
discussion.

9591
06:26:33,600 --> 06:26:34,878
>> Yeah. If you have any concerns, I want

9592
06:26:34,878 --> 06:26:36,958
to hear them and and you know, throw

9593
06:26:36,958 --> 06:26:39,920
them back, but we'll

9594
06:26:39,920 --> 06:26:42,878
hearing none or or or not hearing any in

9595
06:26:42,878 --> 06:26:44,000
the relative future.

9596
06:26:44,000 --> 06:26:45,600
>> Bring it up. That's your neighborhood.

9597
06:26:45,600 --> 06:26:47,360
>> Put it in concerns with you. You can

9598
06:26:47,360 --> 06:26:49,120
bring it up.

9599
06:26:49,120 --> 06:26:49,680
>> Thank you.

9600
06:26:49,680 --> 06:26:52,878
manager. No close session.

9601
06:26:52,878 --> 06:26:53,440
>> Thank you.

9602
06:26:53,440 --> 06:26:54,638
>> That it would entertain.

9603
06:26:54,638 --> 06:26:56,878
>> Was that a statement or a fact?

9604
06:26:56,878 --> 06:26:58,000
>> I move that we adjourn.

9605
06:26:58,000 --> 06:27:00,478
>> Motion made by Councilman Carden. Second

9606
06:27:00,478 --> 06:27:03,600
by Councilman Tuk. All in favor say yes.

9607
06:27:03,600 --> 06:27:06,240
We're ajourned.