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All right. Uh, good evening everyone. We

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will call the planning commission um to

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order. It is Wednesday, September 2nd at

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5:59 p.m. Um, I would like to welcome

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our newest planning commissioner, uh,

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Commissioner Johnson. Welcome. Um, and

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we will start with the pledge of

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allegiance. I've asked Commissioner

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Clayson to lead us in that.

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>> Audience, please rise and repeat the

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pledge after me.

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To the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for it

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stands one nation under God indivisible

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with liberty and justice for all.

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» Thank you. The first item of business is

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adopting the minutes of our August 5th

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to 2026 meeting. I understand they're 50

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pages long. Um I'd entertain a motion to

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approve those minutes. I'll make a

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motion to approve the minutes for our

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last uh planning commission meeting.

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>> I'll second.

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>> All in favor?

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>> I I [clears throat]

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>> Great. And then the first um second

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order of business is preliminary plat

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the meadow subdivision plat A.

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David.

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>> All right. [clears throat]

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So, this is a a property uh on the near

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the corner of Metal Lane and uh State

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Route 51.

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Um it's kind of centrally located around

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existing subdivisions that have been

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built over time over the past uh decade

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or so. Uh most recently, the town homes

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that uh above this property. Um what's

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being proposed uh is a single family

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residential

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uh subdivision. Uh this is in the R16

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zone and so it is a standard

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subdivision. There's no overlay uh that

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would require further review or uh

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additional requirements. So as long as

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they're meeting the minimum

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requirements, then it's uh it needs to be approved uh based

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on the the administrative process.

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Um, so you can see outlined uh in yellow

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on the subdivision plot there's a a

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rideway

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for power lines that is about 150 ft

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wide. So that uh definitely encumbers

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this property uh makes it so they can't

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build anything within that easement. So

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you can see the building envelopes are

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shown in the in the dashed line uh on

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the south end of of these proposed lots.

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so the lots range in size from uh 10,

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509 square feet up to 20,465

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square ft. Um, the front setbacks

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because of the easement, they range from

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[clears throat] 95 to 135 ft. So

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definitely larger than what you

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typically see. Um

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there uh on lot four is the smallest

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building envelope uh which is 1100

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uh we talked to the applicant about the

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uh front yard requirements. Our code

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says that you're not allowed to have

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more than 60% imperous surface, meaning

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it can't be paved or structure. It has

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to be something that allows the storm

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water to to filter into the ground. Uh,

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typically it's landscaped. And so, um,

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wanted to make sure that they were okay

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with that requirement [clears throat]

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with such a large front yard area, um,

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to to deal with. Um if you want to go

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through the next few slides, I did uh

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visit the site. Um you can see uh where

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it abuts these uh town homes. Uh you've

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got existing landscaping, curving and

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gutter.

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51, there are some improvements that

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need to be made so that uh this can meet

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the the standard requirements for this

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type of roadway.

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so staff is uh recommending approval

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because uh founds that it did meet all

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the requirements and I'm happy to answer

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any questions that you might have.

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>> Any questions for David?

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>> So the the existing property that uh or

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I guess there's a house adjacent to that doesn't change, right? That I'm I'm

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sitting right there. Yeah, there's two

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parcels that are south of this that are

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uh owned and are not a part of this

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subdivision proposal.

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Would improvements along 51 um the state

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route 51 continue in front of those or

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those houses or

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that that abuts state 51.

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>> And do we have the applicant here?

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>> Madam Chair.

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>> Do you mind if I just add to some things

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that Dave mentioned?

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>> Absolutely. This is unique for us. You

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would think that we call it a standard

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subdivision that that would be the norm,

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but it really isn't. And and what we

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mean by standard subdivision

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is that the design of the project, all

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of the lots meet all of our zoning

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criteria for the particular zoning

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district that they're in. So those

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criteria are things like lot size, how

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deep a lot is, how wide a lot is. Um I

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think those are kind of the main ones.

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when subdivisions are presented to the

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planning commission, they're presented

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um in a different form, the different

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application that's called the master

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planned development. And in that

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instance, ultimately the city council

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can approve a project um that has some

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deviations on at least some of the lots

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from those basic zoning criteria.

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you guys tonight, and I think you know

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it, but I just want to point it out

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maybe in case anybody else cares with

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standard subdivisions, the planning

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commission is the land use authority.

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recommending for approval, I'm sorry, I

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just blew it. Whole point is saying

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you're going to either uh move is what I

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meant, move to approve, you can move to

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deny. we'd want to talk about why.

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project meets all of the zoning criteria

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and the zoning is already in place, then

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the city's latitude in terms of of

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withholding an approval is really

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limited. Um, not to make this sound like

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a rubber stamp type of a thing, but uh

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that really is the reality. Um, if by

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chance there's anything that you wanted

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by way of more information on this

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project, you might also consider a

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continuence, you know, maybe with some

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direction to staff to research

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additional things, to ask the applicant

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to provide additional information or

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anything like that at all. Um, so thank

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you for letting me take just a minute to

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>> Thanks, Dave. And we'll invite the

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applicant up if you could please um

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state your name.

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I'm Ryan Livingston.

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single family homes that will be more on

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that entry level price point.

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>> Any questions from the commission

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>> with with really big front yards

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what what does it mean on the

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landscaping when it was like just an

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um surface? What's what's that going to

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look like? What what typically

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that's such a huge front yard. What what

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>> Could someone do all gravel?

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>> Then you're going to have to meet the standard that the city requires.

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like that? So yeah, so anything that's

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not uh there is a landscaping

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requirement. So that's where that

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impervious surface requirement fits in.

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what size of houses are you talking? You

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>> Um, this is not a public hearing for

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this agenda item. Any other discussion

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or comment from the commission?

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» It's kind of a unique property with the

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power lines. Obviously, it's I don't

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way the property is set up. So,

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>> there's a lot of creativity around those

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power lines that are running through

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that side of our town. So,

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I'll make a motion that we approve this

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proposed metal subdivision plate A

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preliminary plat

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on the city recommendations.

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>> All in favor?

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>> I Any opposed? Motion passes. All

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right. Thank you. Moving on to the next

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agenda item number five. Uh this is a

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zone change for Oak Village.

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>> thank you. Thank you for being here

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tonight. Uh the next two items five and

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six, we're going to talk about them

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both, but ultimately we will need to

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open two separate public hearings and

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then have two separate motions. Both of

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these would be recommendations that the

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planning commission would be making to

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the city council. So the first item uh

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5.1 on your agenda is the zone change.

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Then the second one is the um

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preliminary plat for master plan

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development that would go um with the

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zone change. So this is the area that

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we're looking at. It's property just to

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the south of Maple Mountain High School.

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the high school. You can see there

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property is currently vacant. It's in

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agricultural production on the south uh

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an existing chapel. You can go to the

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next slide. Um, this is looking to the

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northeast. Um, there's the southeast

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chapel. Uh, let's keep heading around so

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you can see, uh, to the sides of it,

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we've got, uh, established neighborhoods

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that were developed a number of years

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ago. Um, there's the other chapel,

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that's the Northwest Chapel that's

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existing on 100 South. Um, let's pause

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right here. Um,

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and so, um, what the applicant's looking

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to do is develop the property at this

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time. Uh previously the city council and

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planning commission saw a proposal back

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in 2022. Uh let's go to the next slide.

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Keep going. Uh so on the left you can

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see the existing zoning. Um this was

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created in 2022. There was a previous

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subdivision proposed um and the R12 was

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applied to the property um except for

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the two existing meeting houses. Those

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remained in the the RR rural residential

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zone. So with the proposal tonight, we

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see a a cleanup of some of the zoning,

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changing those from agricultural to uh

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residential zones as well. On the right,

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this is the general plan. The yellow is

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the land use u designation which is low

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density residential. Um let's go to the

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next slide

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>> on that general plan. Sorry to stop you.

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It perfectly aligns with our general

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plan. Does that am I reading that

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correct? When you say perfectly align

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the boundaries or

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>> the the planned zoning would align with

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the general plan.

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>> Yes, we'll dive into that. Um so the

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outline is the area we're looking at.

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It's in one designation which is low

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density. Let's go to the next slide.

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This is straight out of the general plan

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that was adopted uh earlier this summer.

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um low density. Uh you can see here it

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highlights uh residential developments

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with a density range of 2.5 to 3.5 homes

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per acre. Um and as it's described here,

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largely uh single family detached uh

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product. Um let's go to the next slide.

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The proposal that they've uh uh

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presented would be just over three homes

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per acre. So within that density range

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of 2.5 to 3.5. Can

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>> you see the low density?

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>> Yes. And this is showing um the proposed

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zoning districts that would be applied.

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Um some of them were at the city's

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request. For instance, this basin here

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is city-owned property. And so we're

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looking to change that from uh rural

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residential to public facilities. Um

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it's counts as open space. Um it's

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landscaped, but the main primary

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function is it's a city-owned detention

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basin. Um this existing chapel is

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proposed by the applicant to be R19 as

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well as the residential development

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portion of the property. Um once again,

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we're looking at R19 with the master

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plan development just for the housing

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product. Um the existing chapel here uh

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would go from RR to R112 as well as uh

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the future Spanish Fork uh temple site

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would be R112 as well.

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>> So why are we why would we change the

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chapels from if they're already there

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and they're they're existing why is

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there a need to change there?

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>> Better reflect the use of the property.

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um it's not agricultural in nature and

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so changing it to match what's it's

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adjacent to as well as uh the

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residential where

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>> even though they're on a chapel they're

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still zoned agricultural.

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>> Yeah.

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Um let's go to the next slide. This is

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the proposed uh master plan development

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that would go with it. Um

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and next slide shows that it would be

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done in a phased manner. you'd see the

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improvements uh starting on the east

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side and then working their way to the

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west. Um let's go to the next slide. And

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this proposal is unique in the sense

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that um we have a pattern book that was

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provided um at the request of the

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applicant um that outlines the

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development of the property. Um, what

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we'll do at this point is [snorts] I'll

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pause in what I've got prepared to

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present to the planning commission as

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well as go over the the development

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review committee's recommendations and

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we'll invite um the applicants designer

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up and he's going to go through a

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presentation that uh we have queued up

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and uh feel free to stop him at any

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time. I'm going to give him that liberty

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um with any questions that you've got.

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Um this is uh different than what we

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normally see um as far as uh

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neighborhood development for single

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family detached home product. Um if we

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go well he'll pull it up in his slide

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but he'll go over some of the uniqueness

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um that we will sometimes see with

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multif family home uh such as shared

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driveways or private alleyways. Um, but

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this is this would be applied in a

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single family detached home setting. Um,

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so we'll invite uh Eric up and then I'm

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happy to uh

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finish the presentation, answer any

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questions you've got. Um, but feel free.

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We also have uh Matthew here as well um

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to answer any questions.

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>> Okay.

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>> Thank you.

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Brandon. Eric,

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>> hi. Thank you very much for having me.

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Uh, my name is Eric Ost. with I'm a

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principal at Urban Design Associates in

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Pittsburgh. We're focused primarily on

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community design. Um we work all over

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the country. Uh we have been working

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with Land Reeserve for several years now

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and we've been working in Utah since

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2005. So we're really honored to have

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the opportunity to to work here and to

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work on this project. Um you know, we I

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want to mention just make sure we can

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get the presentation queued up. We want

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to mention that we really wanted to

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think about whenever we work in a

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community, we recognize that we're a

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guest in that community. Um, there are

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so many characteristics about every

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community that make them unique. And

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it's a little bit like like like

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language, like accents, you know, when

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you go someplace, you know, has its own

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character, the way people speak, but

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they're still speaking the same

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language. And we feel very strongly that

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places should have their own character.

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And we want to make sure that whenever

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we design something new that it belongs

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to that community and helps um build on

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the character of the community that's

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there today. Okay. So, we were thinking

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about that and that's really part of our approach with this new neighborhood.

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Oops. Sorry.

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How we doing? Is this guy working?

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» Okay. Next. Next slide. We can do the

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next. Is that

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okay? Next slide. And we'll go to the

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next one. So, we'll start here at the

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regional context. We were looking we

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always start looking out where we are in in in a city and town. And to our

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left we have the historic Spanish Fork

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to our to the west side um and the

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characteristics of that neighborhood.

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And then to the east we have these

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remarkable mountains, these remarkable

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views. And we recognize also that we're at [clears throat] a position here

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where where we're kind of where

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development is starting to move to the

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east and we want we recognize we've got

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development around us. So we were

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thinking about how do we tie all these

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characteristics in into the community.

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Next slide.

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Zooming in just a little bit, you can

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start to see uh you know, obviously you

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see the state road um highway highway

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six to our south which is going to be

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very so this the view of the temple is

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going to be very prominent. To our north

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is Maple Mountain High School. So we

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recognize this is an important uh

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location in the city um from moving

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forward and and it is today as well.

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Next slide.

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But we always look also not only at

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planning, but we also think about

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architectural character and and we've studied a lot of towns here in

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Utah and a lot of them are built

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historically by pattern books. Sometimes

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you can find individual house designs

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that were designed and you can actually

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find the old plans in which they were

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used by builders and whenever they're

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built in a particular neighborhood,

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oftentimes they had their own

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characteristics that they would add to

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the community and and make it uh unique

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in its own way. What's really nice about

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the neighborhood here right here in

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Spanish Fork, the historic neighborhood,

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is that many of the homes are very

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different. They have a different

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character, different styles, different

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colors. They don't feel like a project.

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It feels much more like a neighborhood.

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And some of those characteristics are

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things that we were thinking about as

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we're looking forward and moving forward

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with this particular with Oak Village.

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Next slide. Uh when we were looking at

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the site today, we were very much

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focused on this views, these mountains

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was something we were really thinking

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about. When you look at the the site,

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there's obviously the two meeting

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houses, existing neighborhoods around

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us, and then the mountains in the

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distance. And we were thinking, how do

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we tie all this together into something

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that that feels like it's always been

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there and feels feels like it fits the

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site and all the characteristics that

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are there. Next slide. We're really

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thinking very much about these these

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views of the mountains and how does that

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play a role in the community and in the

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how it how it sets into the neighborhood

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and into the context. Next slide.

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One of the characteristics about um

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great civic buildings and you see that

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even here today is that when you look at

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and this is actually a re really an

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American tradition is um public

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buildings like churches u meeting houses

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courouses city halls they oftentimes

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have greenery around them like they're

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kind of in like a park-like context and

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so we definitely were thinking about

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that as how do we bring that park-like

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context and green around the

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neighborhood. You see that here in this

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building and it's something that we

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wanted to make sure that this had that

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green context so you recognize that this

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is a special moment here in Spanish

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Fork. Next slide. So we located the

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temple. Now we didn't design the temple.

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We were just locating it. The temple

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design team took care of that. But we

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definitely worked on locating the temple

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to the corner um to allow that green

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context and that sense of that your

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sense of arrival when you got there. the um we were very much supportive of

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the in the general plan the idea of a

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roundabout on that corner uh that when

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you're driving through you'd recognize

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you're at that moment there's a special

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uh place in the city and then we've

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actually aligned the the temple and the

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boulevard right to the to the

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[clears throat] to the roundabout around

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we've got Whiting Street is a key

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address that runs along and connects

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00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:43,840
through the community there and creates

547
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,520
a very special address for the largest

548
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,840
and and nicest lots within the community

549
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,799
facing uh the temple. Next slide.

550
00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:52,720
This would be a view down walking down

551
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,720
Whiting Street looking kind of towards

552
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,840
the high school. Next,

553
00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,679
Oak Boulevard is is the kind of

554
00:21:59,679 --> 00:22:01,120
signature boulevard that runs through

555
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:02,720
the community. That's [clears throat] a

556
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,200
road that has is a has a median kind of

557
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,159
divided road um with and the idea of why

558
00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:09,760
we designed it this way was to try to

559
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,240
extend the character of the temple as

560
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,000
deep into the community as you can. So

561
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,480
even if you were buying a home in the in

562
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,640
the southwest corner of the property in

563
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,640
the far left, you'd still feel like the

564
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,080
temple is present, that it's not

565
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,840
something that's only for one address

566
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,440
for that first address that everybody

567
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,039
shares in the relationship to the

568
00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:29,039
temple. That also helps connect it into

569
00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:30,799
the neighborhoods in a very um

570
00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:33,440
thoughtful way. Next slide. This would

571
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,280
be looking down the temp down the

572
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,960
boulevard. This is the drone view, the

573
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,559
drone [laughter] shot. Um but you can

574
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,640
see the the the special landscape that

575
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,400
would go to shaping to towards the

576
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,480
temple. I want to mention briefly that

577
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,640
these um these renderings were are are

578
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,919
very deliberate about the renderings of

579
00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:49,520
the community. We did not design the

580
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,000
temple and and so these are just

581
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,679
characterist these are just characters

582
00:22:53,679 --> 00:22:56,000
of of typical temples. Um if you want to

583
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,679
find the design of the temple that can

584
00:22:57,679 --> 00:22:59,679
be found on the on the church website.

585
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,720
So next slide. This would be uh standing

586
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,480
along the Oak Boulevard kind of in the

587
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,159
front lawns of some of those homes. You

588
00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:08,000
see the relationship of the porch, the

589
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
front yard, the fence, and then the the

590
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,600
boulevard is kind of a prominade for

591
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,360
walking up and down towards the temple

592
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,960
and back into the neighborhood. Next

593
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,320
slide. Um, this is an evening at Acorn

594
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,919
Park. We recognize that's looking east,

595
00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:21,716
so maybe it is sunrise, but but

596
00:23:21,716 --> 00:23:23,200
[laughter] but it look certainly makes

597
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,280
for a very dramatic view, but but the

598
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,200
Acorn Park is in the southwest corner.

599
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,720
It's a place for gathering. It's a place

600
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,880
to meet people. There's actually um we

601
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,000
actually right in front of where these

602
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,440
folks are sitting, there's actually a

603
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,960
bike trail that connects into the

604
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,360
neighborhood around it. So that view of

605
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,360
the temple will be present as everybody

606
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,840
passes through that very dramatic uh uh

607
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,280
direction. So this is a place to meet

608
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,280
for friends, for walks, to spend time in

609
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,400
the evening. So it's like a little

610
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,159
living room uh for the neighborhood.

611
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:51,191
Next slide. Wildflower Trail connects

612
00:23:51,191 --> 00:23:51,760
[clears throat] through the

613
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,720
neighborhood. It's almost like

614
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,480
everything the opposite of the

615
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,480
boulevard. So the boulevard is very

616
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,480
straight. It's it's it's for cars. It's

617
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,320
got it's it's aligned with a temple.

618
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,480
Wildflower trail is perpendicular to it

619
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,919
and it connects between the meeting

620
00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:07,840
house up to the high school. And it's a green space. It's for walking. It

621
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,360
allows people from homes to be able to

622
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,440
flow out to the green space and connect

623
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,520
to the park in the south in the corner

624
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,840
by the by the southeast meeting house

625
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,279
and then also be able to connect to

626
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:18,320
their friends and the neighborhoods

627
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,559
around it. Next slide. Uh so here's a

628
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,240
view down Wildflower Trail. So it's very

629
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,320
picturesque. kind of curves with trails

630
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,320
and a place you can walk uh very

631
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,320
comfortably without um getting in the

632
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,960
way of any cars or anything. Next slide.

633
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,640
This is the uh walking down one of the

634
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,600
poos uh connecting back to the uh this

635
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,880
is looking to you can see that it's a

636
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,440
temple on the left pro providing good

637
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,960
connectivity between wildflower trail

638
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,520
and the streets around us. Next slide.

639
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,039
So the neighborhood streets are kind of

640
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:46,480
like the supporting cast of the

641
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,400
characters in the movie. uh they they uh

642
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,880
these are very much based on on the

643
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,400
strong uh the strong neighborhood

644
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,320
streets of Spanish Fork. Some of them

645
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,679
are very straight. And then if you look

646
00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:57,360
in the next slide, you can see the view

647
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,799
of what it would be look took looking

648
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,279
down Elmway. So all of these streets are

649
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,039
connected very much close to getting

650
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:04,640
back to the boulevard and back to the

651
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,799
other uh uh streets in the neighborhood.

652
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,120
Next slide. Here's the view of our

653
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,600
illustrative master plan um you know and

654
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,120
how it fits with the neighborhood. I'll

655
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,320
go through some of the quantities and

656
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,320
some of the characteristics in a moment.

657
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,480
Um, in the next slide you can see our

658
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,279
open space network. We have about o

659
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:22,799
about about two and a half acres of of

660
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:24,799
open space through the community. We

661
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,039
also have a in the southeast corner we

662
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:32,080
have a a playground and then Acorn Park on the south uh west corner and

663
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,799
then um but really this the the open

664
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,279
space is really there to support uh the

665
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,080
open space the trail system which allows

666
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,919
connects to the neighborhoods around us

667
00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:43,840
the larger Spanish Fork trail system

668
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,919
around the city and being able to allow

669
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,279
people to get through in and around the

670
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:50,799
neighborhood very easily. Next slide.

671
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,360
So getting back to the

672
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,200
architecture, we very very much were

673
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,120
thinking very much about how the

674
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,279
architecture of Spanish Fork will

675
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,279
inspire the architecture here of a

676
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,120
variety of homes, various different

677
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,960
styles that are very present here. And

678
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,799
we could find that in in the community.

679
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,320
You can see the parallels here. That

680
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,679
house you see on the left is actually

681
00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:11,360
right next door to where we are today.

682
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,200
Um so you can take a look at it after

683
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,600
the after the presentation. Next slide.

684
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,000
Um, we also were thinking very very

685
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,679
thought we were being trying to be very

686
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,200
thoughtful about having the same

687
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,360
relationship of the homes to the street

688
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:24,960
that you can see in historic Spanish

689
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,880
Fork. You can see that on the left side

690
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,799
there. What that relationship of that

691
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,720
home to the street is very similar to

692
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,080
the same way through the neighborhoods

693
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,200
of having home, porch, front yard,

694
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,760
street, sidewalk. Next slide. All of

695
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,840
this is brought together in a toolkit

696
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,080
for the builders. Um, it's just in the

697
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,159
same traditions of the historic Spanish

698
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:46,320
fork. will be built with a pattern book.

699
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,840
Um so the builders will be using this as

700
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,240
a tool to allow them to develop

701
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,400
different styles of homes. Um

702
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,200
anti-repetition guidelines um and also

703
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,000
provides required materials and also uh

704
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,080
windows, details, eaves, all kinds of

705
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,840
things to allow a builder to have all

706
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,039
the tools that they need at their

707
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,480
fingertips to create a high quality

708
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,279
community. Next slide. Here's our

709
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:08,640
program for lots. We have everything

710
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,200
between 55 foot wide lots to the estate

711
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,080
lots which are about 95 ft wide at the widest. Um the square footage of

712
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,559
the of the of the lots on the on the

713
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,159
small side on the cottage sides are

714
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:22,480
about 5,500. The large lops are over

715
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,159
16,000 [clears throat] some of them

716
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:26,640
which are 16,000. Our average lot side

717
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,440
is about the size is about 9,300 uh

718
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,600
square feet uh which are actually larger

719
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,120
than the lots of the community around

720
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,240
us. Um and we have um and we have only

721
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,279
right now we have 110 lots. Our density

722
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,559
is um for the homes is 3.03

723
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:44,400
dwelling units an acre which is right in

724
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,559
the middle of your basically close to

725
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,320
the middle of your low density

726
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,200
residential uh category.

727
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,960
Next slide. Here's your exist the

728
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,080
existing zoning uh as to as it is today.

729
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,279
And one of the things we recognized

730
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,039
right away is that the existing zoning

731
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:00,799
wasn't going to give us the tools to

732
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,320
create the design of the community that

733
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,640
we we felt fit the neighborhood best fit

734
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,720
the challenges the in the where the

735
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,320
streets were coming in and the

736
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,679
relationship to the temple and creating

737
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:11,279
a really high quality neighborhood. So

738
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,120
we've suggested these proposed this

739
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,120
proposed zoning in the next slide uh

740
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,919
which allows us to to uh to create these

741
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:21,279
the this kind of environment. So uh next

742
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:22,880
slide with that we'd like to we're here

743
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,799
to I'm here to take any questions you

744
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,799
may have. uh now and in also after

745
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:27,760
public comment.

746
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,760
>> Thank you, Eric. Questions?

747
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,120
>> Um yeah, so like on the boulevard and

748
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,600
that who will take care of the

749
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,000
maintenance as far as the landscape

750
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,360
maintenance

751
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,039
>> right now? I think the HOA

752
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:44,640
>> the HOA. Okay. And that'll be throughout

753
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,640
>> throughout the community.

754
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,600
Okay.

755
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,640
>> Can you go back to the street or even

756
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,120
that one? Yeah.

757
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,440
>> Tell me about the entrance onto Spanish

758
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,399
Fork Parkway.

759
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:01,200
>> Oh, yes.

760
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,640
>> Over by the the extended

761
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,440
>> That's a great question.

762
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,960
>> Oh, I guess I do have a pointer here,

763
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,360
don't I?

764
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,880
>> Yeah, that's a great question. How Whit

765
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,240
Lighting Street connects to the Spanish

766
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,840
Fort Parkway. So, one of the things that

767
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,760
we recognized right away is that the we

768
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,279
wanted to have the opportunity to have

769
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:14,880
shared parking between the meeting house

770
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,360
and the temple uh for special events so

771
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,559
that we didn't have to build more

772
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,559
parking. So we wanted to make sure we we

773
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,559
took advantage of that of the temple and

774
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:24,159
the relationship to the meeting house.

775
00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:26,320
However, we felt that very strongly that

776
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,159
we wanted to make sure we had a street

777
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:30,880
connection between the community and uh

778
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,039
and Spanish Fork Parkway. So we actually

779
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,279
have a a street there. We've actually

780
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,159
introduced um some some angle parking.

781
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:40,320
That street will also be um have a

782
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,080
textured um uh paving um to uh to really

783
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,000
to help people slow down and recognize

784
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,080
that this is a space where people at

785
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,760
certain days people may be walking

786
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,480
between the parking lot on the south at

787
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,320
the meeting house to go to an event

788
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,000
there. But we wanted to make sure that

789
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
we recognize that this is a a place

790
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,159
where we want people driving at a safer

791
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:02,000
speed so we don't have any any any

792
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,320
issues there. So it's so it will be a

793
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,399
very it will be open and it'll be allow

794
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:08,640
for uh connectivity for cars on a daily

795
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,120
basis, but we we've kind of provided

796
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,640
like a little bit of a special design so

797
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,720
that people will tend to slow down uh

798
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,120
rather than than than driving into the

799
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:17,919
community too quickly,

800
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:19,440
>> but you don't do that on the the

801
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,279
opposite side of that curved road.

802
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:22,799
>> That's correct. Yeah, it's a standard

803
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,640
stro street section along Whiting Street

804
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,320
all the way around. Yeah. So that would

805
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,760
be but we do have um a crosswalk that

806
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,679
right at the kind of center on access

807
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:32,960
with the temple right by where the

808
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,919
boulevard meets the temple. Um uh just

809
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:37,679
to the at the end of Oak Boulevard right

810
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,120
where it meets Whiting Street up there.

811
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,360
Yes, we have a we have a lot crosswalks

812
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,919
and and a a kind of a a slower speed

813
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:47,840
environment there to help make sure that so that we again we recognize that

814
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,559
people will

815
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,640
>> be raised like a speed bump type

816
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,159
>> raised up a little bit with texture.

817
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:54,080
Yeah. So, what kind of texture? So, how

818
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,520
far does the texture go here?

819
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,840
>> It goes between um the probably where

820
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,120
you can see the crosswalk on the right

821
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,480
side and then there's another crosswalk

822
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,240
kind of on the left side that's shown

823
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,919
right around the edge right to the left

824
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:05,760
of of your green. Go a little further

825
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,600
left. All the way to Keep going. Keep going. Right there. Right

826
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,960
here. The texture goes all the way to

827
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,200
there.

828
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,480
>> I've got a pointer here. We can Yeah, we

829
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,480
can show you right there. Okay. There we

830
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,200
go. That'll be easier. Yeah. So, we

831
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,720
>> real quick. So, the parking by the

832
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,919
meeting house, that's going to be temple

833
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:21,360
overflow parking.

834
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,200
>> So, busy days, there'll be a lot of

835
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,880
people crossing the street. So, that's

836
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,559
why the that that has that more elevated

837
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,799
textured element, whereas the other

838
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,399
one's more of a normal residential

839
00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:40,230
street.

840
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,399
» Any other questions for Eric?

841
00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:44,080
>> Yeah, I I'm still on that that road

842
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,360
there. So,

843
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,919
>> is there any sort of uh would this

844
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:50,399
ingress side be or size be any different

845
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:51,919
from the rest that we're talking about?

846
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:52,960
>> They're about the same. They're the

847
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,200
same.

848
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,080
>> They're about the same. Okay.

849
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:54,559
>> Yeah.

850
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:55,919
>> The same in terms of width and things

851
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:56,720
like that.

852
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,559
>> Okay. So, just features here really that

853
00:31:58,559 --> 00:31:59,519
slows down.

854
00:31:59,519 --> 00:31:59,840
>> Yeah.

855
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,279
>> And then, you know, just crosswalks like

856
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,200
you'd see. Are these crosswalks sort of

857
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,720
uh continue throughout the neighborhood

858
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,840
in the similar style?

859
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,039
>> We I I don't think we don't have the

860
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:08,960
textured pavement, I don't think, in the

861
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,960
other points. Loi, our landscape

862
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,480
architect, really wanted to be here is

863
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,919
handling that. So sorry for sorry

864
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:15,679
they're not not here at the moment but

865
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:16,960
we definitely wanted to make sure we

866
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,159
introduced plenty of crosswalks and safe

867
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,240
crossings. This is a raised uh crossing

868
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,320
as well so that when people work through

869
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,480
Wildflower C uh trail that they'd be

870
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,480
able to connect we're worried about we

871
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,360
wanted to make sure that people

872
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,640
recognize that's a place where people

873
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,000
will be crossing so that people aren't

874
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:32,799
driving quickly.

875
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:33,120
>> Yeah.

876
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,080
So thought out that. Um I see

877
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,760
these pedestrian connections here as

878
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,519
well. Um so this looks like it connects

879
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,000
to an existing one. Uh we'll have some

880
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,679
pedestrian connections on here. Do we

881
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:45,039
expect I mean I know you're talking

882
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:46,480
about the neighborhood here. Yeah, but

883
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,799
do we expect just to be a fence the

884
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:50,640
whole way around here or any sort of

885
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,240
ingress for pedestrians or anything like

886
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:52,559
that?

887
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:53,919
>> That's a great question. I'm going to do

888
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,200
my best with it because we didn't work

889
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,840
on the but but is that there is a there

890
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,679
will be a fence around the temple, but

891
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:01,600
the the public environment the public

892
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,200
trail that you see here will connect all

893
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,720
the way across without and then the

894
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,080
fence will be on the inside of the

895
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,559
trail. So there'll be plenty of uh uh

896
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:10,799
public connectivity around the perimeter

897
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,799
and then around this side as well. So

898
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:14,640
that the fence with the area within the

899
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,640
temple will be I think believe I believe

900
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,799
that will be the fence right there. Um

901
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:20,880
so we still are want to be encouraging

902
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,640
people to walk and to connect to be able

903
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,559
to walk to the high school and get along

904
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,760
the edge of of uh of 100 um and then

905
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,159
also be able to walk along Spanish fork

906
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:30,799
parkway.

907
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,799
>> Yeah. So on this connection right here,

908
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,919
this road,

909
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,559
I'm just wondering why why not just

910
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,440
treat it as as an extension of your

911
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,200
parking lot.

912
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,279
>> We we looked at that and well I should

913
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,679
say that the there was some discussion

914
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:51,360
about that within the team is whether or

915
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,679
not that just became parking lot. One of

916
00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:55,120
the things that we were worried about is

917
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,679
that is that if you are living in in

918
00:33:57,679 --> 00:33:59,840
these homes here and in some of in some

919
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,399
of these neighborhoods that you would be

920
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:04,159
pushing traffic into the neighborhood

921
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:06,080
around us to the south and we really

922
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,200
wanted to be good neighbors. So we

923
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,399
wanted to make sure that people had the

924
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:10,480
ability to get out. The the times that

925
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,720
it they would need that much parking is not as is not that often. So on a

926
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,480
daily basis when you know we were

927
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,839
thinking about it from a routine basis

928
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,119
we'd like to have better connectivity

929
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:20,720
into the neighborhood

930
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:22,560
>> for cars. I think probably the schedule

931
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,399
too. You know, when these are busy,

932
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:26,480
these this would not be busy, right? In

933
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,200
terms of

934
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:27,919
>> Yeah.

935
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,079
>> the um

936
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,560
park the parking situation on on on the

937
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,119
roads generally here. So, I mean, I know

938
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:36,240
you kind of gave us an overview of what

939
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,359
the houses look like, but can you kind

940
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:39,040
of give me a sense of like,

941
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,200
>> you know, maybe a broad overview? How

942
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,560
much parking am I going to have per

943
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,679
each, you know,

944
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,440
>> per each lot and things like that?

945
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,119
>> Every every parking every house has the

946
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,359
ability to park three cars on it. Um, we

947
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:51,119
have u twocar garage or threec car

948
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,760
garages on for all of those homes. Um,

949
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,919
and then all of the streets have parking

950
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:57,520
on both sides. So, there'll be plenty of

951
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,520
part street parking for people if they

952
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,520
need to. We don't anticipate any parking

953
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,119
problems with this particular community

954
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:03,839
at all.

955
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:06,560
>> So, ideal use case, you have three cars

956
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,760
everywhere

957
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,880
>> pretty much. Yeah. Yeah.

958
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,079
>> Maybe more if we have a three-car

959
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:10,640
garage.

960
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,320
>> And in some of the wider homes, you can

961
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,800
on on on the alley loaded homes, you can

962
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,480
have four cars if you needed to. There's

963
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,240
no limit on the amount of cars that you

964
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,760
can put. There's parking zones that are

965
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,960
dedicated.

966
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,560
>> The the driveways that we're talking

967
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,960
about here will I mean

968
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,160
>> let's say I fill I have a three-car

969
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,359
garage. I filled it all up with

970
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:28,560
everything. Can I still park in my

971
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:28,800
drive?

972
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,084
>> It never happens from what No, I'm just

973
00:35:30,084 --> 00:35:31,520
[laughter] kidding.

974
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:37,280
>> No, I'm just Yeah, just joking. No. So, um so that you'll be able to park so

975
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,760
all the the the lo the homes that have

976
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,839
are loaded to the street have the

977
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:43,520
parking to the back of the lot. So, if

978
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,920
you load your car, load your garage and

979
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,680
you park in front, you still won't get

980
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,880
your cars all the way to the street.

981
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,720
Plenty of driveway space. The alley

982
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,200
loaded homes would would be probably

983
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,599
parking on the street if if you if you

984
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,040
filled your car with your garage with

985
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:57,440
stuff.

986
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,359
>> Show me the alley loaded homes. Just

987
00:35:59,359 --> 00:35:59,760
>> Yeah.

988
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,359
>> Alley loaded homes. This is the white

989
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:03,119
alley ro right here. So, all of these

990
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:07,359
are alley loaded homes. These are all alley

991
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:08,960
loaded homes. The street loaded homes

992
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,400
run around the perimeter here and here.

993
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,920
>> Okay. Okay. So, it's it's the majority

994
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,400
are

995
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,760
>> majority of alleyway.

996
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,760
>> So, on the alleyway, is there enough is

997
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,800
there room for parking on the alleyways

998
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,160
themselves or are they going to be too

999
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:22,800
narrow?

1000
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,760
>> They're going to be they're they're

1001
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,040
going to be too narrow. They'll be

1002
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,800
discouraged and the and the the the

1003
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,800
garage will be within the amount of

1004
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,960
distance to the to the we have it set as

1005
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,040
five feet so that you can't park and

1006
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,160
block egress and safety. However, even

1007
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,760
next to your garage, there'll still be

1008
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,000
room to park on any individual lot. So

1009
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,760
you'll have next to your garage, there's

1010
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,760
still plenty of space to have surface

1011
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,200
parking on your lot.

1012
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,440
>> Okay. So the parking on the alleyway

1013
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,119
will be discouraged or prohibited.

1014
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,320
>> Absolutely. It'll be prohibited. Um the other thing to mention is that you

1015
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,160
can also do what they call JW where you

1016
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,760
can put your park you can put your

1017
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,440
parking perpendicular to the alley and

1018
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,359
swing into your garage and have a have a

1019
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:01,200
parking area and then come in to the

1020
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,160
side.

1021
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,839
>> So there's plenty of parking

1022
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:07,520
>> on the lot. Yeah. Okay.

1023
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,160
Any

1024
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,119
other questions?

1025
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,599
>> So, a question. Um, I'm kind of seeing

1026
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,680
and and you know, I've obviously Googled

1027
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,119
your firm here, but I'm kind of seeing

1028
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,200
this is similar to Daybreak in in some

1029
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,599
ways now, maybe evolved in some ways.

1030
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,359
Could you maybe comment on that just for

1031
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:25,839
>> So, um, so Daybreak has has a much

1032
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:28,320
higher density environment. Um, and

1033
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,480
Daybreak does have lots that are similar

1034
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,599
to this. Um, uh, Daybreak is a massive

1035
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,920
community. I mean it's 40,000's

1036
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,920
different. I used to live adjacent to

1037
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,240
it.

1038
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:43,040
>> Okay. Sure. Sure. Yeah. So, um but there are some characteristics that are

1039
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,800
universal for great neighborhood design.

1040
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,079
You can find that in Daybreak. You can

1041
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:47,760
find that in Hill Farms that we did in

1042
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,680
Cisville and you can find it in some of

1043
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,680
these neighborhoods where you've got

1044
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,839
good good relationships to kind of

1045
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:55,760
creating the home. Putting the kind of

1046
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
deemphasizing the car. So the car is at

1047
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,440
the back of the lot and the home is

1048
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,119
toward the front is kind of the thing

1049
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:02,880
that some people kind of identify as

1050
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,079
something that's kind of more the common

1051
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:05,680
element and that's what we brought in

1052
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:12,230
here.

1053
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,720
» Um I guess another question here. So I

1054
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,240
think we talked a little bit that park

1055
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:19,119
this is just uh sort of a trail head

1056
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,880
versus anything else like can you

1057
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:21,520
comment a bit more?

1058
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000
>> Yeah. Oh yeah, here it is. Um that this

1059
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,280
is actually gonna have a playground in

1060
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,599
that space. It's going to be a kind of a another kind of living room type open

1061
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,240
space where um people can enjoy that.

1062
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,320
It's actually the first phase. The as

1063
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,240
you saw the phasing that was presented.

1064
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,560
Um the the our client feels very

1065
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,400
strongly about building open space right

1066
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,160
away so that people can enjoy it. Both

1067
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,920
the people the residents that are

1068
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,119
purchasing there but the neighborhoods

1069
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,960
around it are open to use those uh

1070
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,599
spaces. So that'll be a a playground um

1071
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,839
from the first phase in that particular

1072
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:52,560
space.

1073
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,720
>> I think we have this this road exists

1074
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,960
right here. So first half of that road

1075
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,720
is this. Okay. So it's very accessible

1076
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,320
and it'll be accessible from the meeting

1077
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:00,560
house.

1078
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,599
>> From the neighborhood. Yeah. From the

1079
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:03,440
meeting house as well. Yeah.

1080
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,520
>> Uh kind of timeline of of phases. I mean

1081
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,000
I

1082
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,359
>> that's a good question. Might have to

1083
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:11,599
turn over to the um do do you know the

1084
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,119
timeline for

1085
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,280
>> it is phase in three phases but because

1086
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,800
>> will you step up to the microphone

1087
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,200
please?

1088
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,839
>> Tell us your name.

1089
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:20,640
>> Matt Stapley with Land Reserve. Um we're

1090
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,400
hoping to be uh pushing dirt. Uh we were

1091
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,400
hoping this this year. That might not

1092
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,560
happen. And depending on what happens

1093
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,560
with winter, we're not sure when we

1094
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,920
would be able to start, but we're hoping

1095
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,000
to be delivering lots uh end of summer

1096
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,320
or um late late summer or early fall

1097
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,000
next year. That would be the first

1098
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,440
phase. And then depending on how

1099
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,520
absorption is, the other phases would

1100
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,640
follow very closely after 110 lots isn't actually that much. It it should

1101
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,000
absorb pretty quickly.

1102
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,079
>> Where will you start? Have you made that

1103
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:53,839
decision yet? like what's the first

1104
00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:54,480
phase?

1105
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,760
>> Yeah, the phasing plan. Um

1106
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,280
I think it was

1107
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,079
>> one of the first slides. Yeah.

1108
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,440
>> So it's everything around the temple.

1109
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:03,920
>> Okay. So

1110
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,079
>> that'll be the first phase and and we'll be doing all the improvements

1111
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:09,839
around there including the roundabout

1112
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:11,760
before they do anything. And so we'll

1113
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,880
move first

1114
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,480
>> and complete all of that in our first

1115
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,040
phase.

1116
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,920
>> Thank you.

1117
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,720
>> Is is the temple

1118
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:19,920
>> Yeah, it might have been in Brandon's

1119
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,920
presation actually. I know I saw it at

1120
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,880
some point. the

1121
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,400
>> I'm referring to the phasing plan. I

1122
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,112
think it was Brandon's

1123
00:40:28,112 --> 00:40:35,270
[clears throat]

1124
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,880
» there. Oh, there it was. There it is.

1125
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,839
>> Phase one, phase two, phase two.

1126
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,000
>> Is the temple part of the phase one

1127
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,680
>> or is it kind of ongoing through all

1128
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,880
these phases? Um, I I don't know if I

1129
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,800
can comment as to their timing, what

1130
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,720
they're going to be doing, but uh

1131
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,400
>> Well, I'm I'm more concerned about the

1132
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,119
like the roads around the temple and the

1133
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,400
landscaping around the temple. Would

1134
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,079
that be part of phase one?

1135
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:59,920
>> Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah, that would be

1136
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:00,960
part of [clears throat] phase one.

1137
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:01,280
>> Okay.

1138
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,720
>> Yeah. I can't I don't know when that

1139
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,000
they're going to start construction, the

1140
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,760
actual building, but yeah. Yeah, good

1141
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,520
question. We'll be doing the

1142
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,640
improvements around their site.

1143
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,079
>> And then the trails through the

1144
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,400
neighborhood are what surface are they?

1145
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,480
like I think the Spanish Fork

1146
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,319
ones are all asphalt.

1147
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:18,000
>> What are these? What are these trails?

1148
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,520
>> We've actually discussed that and you

1149
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,000
might be able to help me recall. Uh I

1150
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,280
think we were going to change the

1151
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,680
materials that came into um the Acorn

1152
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,800
Park Circle to be I can't remember. I

1153
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,760
think it was going to be concrete

1154
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,040
through there. Everywhere else it would

1155
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:31,680
be asphalt.

1156
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,040
>> Everywhere else will be asphalt

1157
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,270
>> for that that city trail. Um yes,

1158
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,200
» we'll have a new trail along here. This

1159
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,040
is currently unimproved. That's included

1160
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,560
as part of this. And that will be an

1161
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,400
asphalt trail in addition to the actual

1162
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:54,790
road.

1163
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,480
» The one on Spanish for Parkway would be

1164
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,000
nice to finally not have the kids run

1165
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,200
through the mud.

1166
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,520
>> They've been doing that forever.

1167
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,680
>> They walk onto the sidewalk here and

1168
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,520
then like there's this mud trail right

1169
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,359
here and everything like that.

1170
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:09,839
Yeah,

1171
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:11,280
I'll change things materially.

1172
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,680
>> All right. Any other questions from the

1173
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,400
commission? Okay. All right. Thank you,

1174
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:16,880
Eric.

1175
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,599
>> Thank you.

1176
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:19,440
>> Brandon, did you have anything to add

1177
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,520
before we open uh to the public hearing?

1178
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:33,349
>> Yeah, please do.

1179
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:35,280
» Reiterate the request. So, we just went

1180
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,160
over the pattern book. Um, these are

1181
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,800
some of the pages. Duplicative.

1182
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,160
This is Sorry, you're going too fast.

1183
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,359
Forward one, please. All right. Uh, I

1184
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:50,480
think someone had a question on the the

1185
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,720
park improvements. This was included in

1186
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,319
your packet. Um, so for instance, this

1187
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:59,599
area here would have the playground, a

1188
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:04,560
pavilion, uh, open space, etc. Um and

1189
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,520
the 2 and a half acres is not inclusive

1190
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,079
of the green space that would be around

1191
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,440
the temple. Um that's just within uh the

1192
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,839
proposed subdivision. Uh let's go to the

1193
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:18,079
next slide. We've already gone over

1194
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:19,760
this.

1195
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,000
Um this I don't think we had in your

1196
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,160
presentation. This is just a snippet

1197
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,880
from one of the housing types. This

1198
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,079
shows how the builder um would orient

1199
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,000
the home on the lot. So, for instance,

1200
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,839
this is specific to a lane loaded

1201
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:37,520
product. Um, shows for instance the

1202
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,680
garage space, the surface parking space

1203
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,000
that would be accessible from the alley.

1204
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Um, once again, that's deemphasizing the

1205
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,839
garage door uh look on the public street

1206
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:49,440
and placing that all on the shared

1207
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,280
alley. Um, let's go to the next slide.

1208
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,160
This is the standard uh subdivision

1209
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,839
requirements that you'd see generally

1210
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:00,079
for an R19. As Director Anderson

1211
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,000
commented on the first item, the

1212
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,839
majority of the subdivisions that we see

1213
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:06,400
do not go the standard route. Um let's

1214
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,079
go to the next slide. What they do is

1215
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,079
either the master plan development or

1216
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,000
complete neighborhood overlay. Uh that's

1217
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,040
a newer overlay. Uh I'd say 99% we see

1218
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,720
the the master plan development and that

1219
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,240
gives a little wiggle room as far as

1220
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,160
design. uh especially when you have an

1221
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,720
irregular shaped piece of property or

1222
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,680
some tight tight areas. Um this is

1223
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,839
another page out of the pattern book. Um

1224
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:30,640
the full book was was uh provided to you

1225
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,000
but this was towards the end. This is uh

1226
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,960
requirements as far as fencing. So, the

1227
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,880
taller fencing would be the bold lines

1228
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,000
here, whereas uh shorter see-through

1229
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,640
fencing would be out uh along the

1230
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,560
street, which was uh there was a slide

1231
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,160
in Eric's presentation where it showed

1232
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,720
an existing uh older historic home in

1233
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,359
Spanish Fork that had that nice uh rod

1234
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:55,760
iron fencing. Um let's go to the next

1235
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,839
slide. Um so, once again, we've got two

1236
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,880
separate uh items. So we need two

1237
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,040
separate public hearings and then two

1238
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,440
separate motions. When the development

1239
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,920
review committee looked at it, um this

1240
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,160
was their recommendation for the zone

1241
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,800
change. Um they found that the density

1242
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,359
range was uh consistent with the low

1243
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:20,079
density residential designation. They

1244
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:21,920
felt that it met the intent and findings

1245
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,560
of the master plan development overlay.

1246
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,760
Um, three, uh, they did indicate that

1247
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,599
the proposal brings a unique housing

1248
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,000
plan to the area utilizing the R19

1249
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,599
designation in a way that we generally

1250
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,760
don't see in our community. Number four,

1251
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,839
they felt that the proposal had a number

1252
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:41,280
of community uh, benefiting amenities.

1253
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,280
They did have a condition that they

1254
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,440
added and that the development would

1255
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,200
enter into an agreement with the city to

1256
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,160
memorialize the project as it has been

1257
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,720
and will be presented. Um, let's go to

1258
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,720
the next slide.

1259
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,640
This one was the development review

1260
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,800
committee's recommendation specifically

1261
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,200
to the plat. Um they recommended

1262
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,160
approval of this one as well. Uh similar

1263
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,000
findings as it relates to the general

1264
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,319
plan and the MPD overlay. And then they

1265
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:10,240
did have the conditions one and two are

1266
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,079
standard conditions that we generally

1267
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:14,400
put on all applications. U just

1268
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,160
addressing things that staff still have

1269
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,760
ongoing um review of. And then the third

1270
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,760
one is that obviously the preliminary

1271
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,400
plat is contingent upon the city council

1272
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,599
approving the associated zoning uh map

1273
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:31,642
amendment. Um

1274
00:46:31,642 --> 00:46:32,880
[clears throat] I think we've covered

1275
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,440
everything I had intended to cover. Um

1276
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,359
there was one thing I me failed to

1277
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:43,119
mention at the beginning. Um we just

1278
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,599
wanted to uh acknowledge that we did

1279
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,720
receive a couple of emails um which we

1280
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,319
provided to the planning commission. One

1281
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:53,839
was from a

1282
00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:56,400
Mr. Robert Clark

1283
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,079
and another one we don't have a last

1284
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,359
name but it was just uh an email sent

1285
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:02,160
>> Brendan Charles

1286
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,599
>> from Bren Oh, there we go. Brendan

1287
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,520
Charles. And then we also did receive a

1288
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,520
phone call that we uh forwarded the

1289
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,280
questions on to you as well. Um, any

1290
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,880
questions for staff at this time?

1291
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,079
>> Just one real quick. Um, I love the

1292
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,400
artistic renderings, but how much

1293
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,119
freedom does the builder have to deviate

1294
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,280
from that?

1295
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,200
So, I'll speak from the city's

1296
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,680
perspective. Um, and then I'll let

1297
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Matthew uh speak to how they select

1298
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,680
their builders and the process that the

1299
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,319
builders go through. So based on the

1300
00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:40,400
condition, the city would expect that

1301
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,800
the styles represented in the pattern

1302
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,520
book would be followed. Uh hence the

1303
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,040
development and review committee on the

1304
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:55,510
last slide. Um if we go back one, Josh,

1305
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,839
sorry, too far. One more. So they're the

1306
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:00,000
Oh, they're the condition that we're

1307
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,040
going to have an agreement that

1308
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,599
memorializes the exhibits that we've

1309
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:05,280
reviewed and will review with the city

1310
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,520
council. The master plan development

1311
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,760
does have architectural standards.

1312
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,640
They're very uh commonplace in the

1313
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,119
building community today such as roof

1314
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,079
pitches, materials, and so what I did

1315
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,880
was briefly took a look at what we have

1316
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,000
as basic requirements and they meet them

1317
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,880
as far as the pattern book. Um and then

1318
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,119
Matthew, if you don't mind speaking to

1319
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,119
the process of how the builder would go

1320
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,680
about getting approval and what? Yeah,

1321
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,079
when we select builders, um, we've done

1322
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,559
all this work very much with the mindset

1323
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,400
that we want builders that are going to

1324
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,440
execute on the vision. Um, it's it's not

1325
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,680
just pretty pictures. We we want to see

1326
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:52,000
builders that um catch the vision and execute on it. Uh, when we do have

1327
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,839
builders selected, they will go through

1328
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:55,200
initially what's called a product line

1329
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,480
review, and they'll do that with Eric

1330
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,160
and his team. And they'll go through

1331
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,760
their product that they're proposing,

1332
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,839
and Eric will provide comments. Eric and

1333
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:03,359
his team will provide comments so they

1334
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:05,839
can get their product in line with the

1335
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:09,040
pattern book guidelines. After that, uh,

1336
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,640
any house that does submit a a house

1337
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,960
plan to be built, every single one will

1338
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,040
be reviewed again by UDA. Um, and we

1339
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,480
have a system that we'll set up to do

1340
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,720
that all electronically. And it has

1341
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,480
other things like anti- monotony

1342
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,240
algorithms in place to make sure you

1343
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:27,920
don't have the same home across the

1344
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,839
street or next door. So there's all

1345
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:31,359
those things will be taken into account

1346
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:34,240
when builders uh submit their plans. You

1347
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,480
have anything to add to that?

1348
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,079
>> Can I ask the same question but in

1349
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,160
regards to landscaping?

1350
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,119
>> Same. Uh LOSI has and we don't we

1351
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:44,640
haven't shown these to the city yet. We

1352
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,920
actually just got them this week. We

1353
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,520
have some landscaping guidelines just

1354
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,079
like we have architectural guidelines

1355
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:51,599
and they will become part of the pattern

1356
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:54,400
book as well. And so builders will be

1357
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,280
expected to submit landscape plans that

1358
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,520
will then be reviewed by LOSAI or

1359
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,960
someone else that's you know reviewing

1360
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,800
those guidelines. So it' be the same

1361
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,599
process.

1362
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,920
>> How about like the trees down was it Oak

1363
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,359
Lane down the center of Oaklane? Is that

1364
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:12,000
part of the HOA or is that the builder?

1365
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,280
Is that the homeowner?

1366
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,319
>> The center of Oaklane will be the HOA.

1367
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:19,040
We'll plant water and maintain those.

1368
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,720
Um, then there's the parking strips

1369
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,440
where we Good question. We were actually

1370
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,720
talking about this yesterday trying to

1371
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,920
figure out how to best do it. We've experienced in some other

1372
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,119
communities when you plant them too

1373
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:30,960
early, the subcontractors when they're

1374
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,559
building the homes, they kill the trees

1375
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:33,839
and, you know, there's a lot of

1376
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:36,480
problems. So, I think what we'll do is

1377
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,480
uh for the ones down the the park

1378
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,119
strips, we'll plant them. The homeowners

1379
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:42,559
will have to have a separate irrigation

1380
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,160
zone that they can prioritize during

1381
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,160
water restrictions to make sure those

1382
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,319
trees stay watered and are prioritized.

1383
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,720
So, um, yeah, we've worked through all

1384
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,160
that. We're almost done working through

1385
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,400
all of it, but yeah, uh, we

1386
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,800
>> So, they'll be very uniform then.

1387
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,160
>> Yeah. And that's the idea of planting

1388
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,520
them all at the same time. So, the

1389
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,599
builders when people move in, they might

1390
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:03,119
not have trees. We might not have trees

1391
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:04,079
on all the parts,

1392
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:04,960
>> right?

1393
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,720
>> Because of, like I said, we've we've had

1394
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,240
negative experiences with that

1395
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:10,160
elsewhere. So, what we'll do is

1396
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,440
>> we'll make sure that they know where to

1397
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,960
put irrigation. Then, we'll come in at

1398
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,040
the end and we'll plant all the trees so

1399
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,640
that they're uniform.

1400
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,559
>> Nice. So, so the actual products in

1401
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:19,680
terms of the houses and things like

1402
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:20,880
that, is that determined by the

1403
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,559
consumer? Is it sort of a pre-planned

1404
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,880
thing that that happens? So, how does

1405
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,559
that that work out?

1406
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,599
>> Have a we have the kind of the different

1407
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,839
lot sizes allow for different home sizes

1408
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:34,160
as well. So, uh when the builders

1409
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,079
provide their proposal to the team,

1410
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:37,280
we'll we'll take that under

1411
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,800
consideration. They'll probably try to

1412
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,400
keep they have a lot of flexibility

1413
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,559
within the home. Uh you know, they don't

1414
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,319
we're not going to require them to they

1415
00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:46,319
can't do this or that. All these houses

1416
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:48,480
will be built for modern life and for

1417
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,040
today's uh context. But on the outside,

1418
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,960
we're really looking at the way the the

1419
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,119
house relationship to the street is and

1420
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:56,640
the shaping of the home outside the

1421
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,240
home. But what goes on inside the home

1422
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,000
is fine with, you know, we're really

1423
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,280
thinking about the physical environment

1424
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,599
and how does this create an a sense of a

1425
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,280
neighborhood and what people see from

1426
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,079
the outside.

1427
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,240
>> Okay. And and in terms of like kind of

1428
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:11,200
the HOA here, the HOA lands may maybe

1429
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,559
give me kind of an overview of the whole

1430
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:14,640
jurisdiction the HOA would have

1431
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,880
>> what they would do and and services they

1432
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,349
would offer

1433
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:23,280
» is it like just primary landscaping or

1434
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,359
there other things that

1435
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:27,920
>> Yeah. Um excuse [clears throat] me. So

1436
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,240
the Acorn Circle Park, the other park

1437
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:31,599
where we mentioned the the play

1438
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,920
structure will be by the meeting house.

1439
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,480
>> Um the the main

1440
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,839
uh meet down Oak Boulevard, that view of

1441
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:43,359
the temple, um the wildflower trail,

1442
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:46,400
those will all be maintained by the HOA.

1443
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,720
Uh I think primarily that that it's

1444
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,440
going to be the main thing the HOA is

1445
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,880
going to oversee. Obviously going

1446
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,319
forward, we'll have CCNRs recorded to

1447
00:52:56,319 --> 00:53:00,480
make sure that in the long term uh the

1448
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,599
residents and homeowners are keeping the

1449
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,119
community consistent with the original

1450
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,040
vision. So that'll be another thing the

1451
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,839
HOA will do. They'll enforce those CCNRs

1452
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:12,559
>> and ballpark like what kind of HOA dues

1453
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:13,760
would you expect for something like

1454
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,760
this? Like again, I know things change

1455
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,480
all the time. I

1456
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,119
>> I don't know if I can give a number on

1457
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:20,640
that right now. Um

1458
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,000
>> Okay. Yeah,

1459
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:22,559
>> the uh

1460
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,720
>> that it would be wrong. So I [laughter]

1461
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:25,680
>> Yeah,

1462
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,280
>> you've got the HOA doing the landscape and that

1463
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,160
when this is all done, built out,

1464
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,119
everything's done. The roads will be

1465
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,680
maintained and the alleyways. So you got

1466
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,079
your alleyways, roads, that becomes city

1467
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:40,800
maintenance.

1468
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,960
>> Yeah. So that that's a great question.

1469
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,800
The alleyways, no, that will be HOA

1470
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,079
maintained. Okay.

1471
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,880
>> And then the the streets will be city

1472
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,200
and they're built to city spec. Yeah.

1473
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,079
>> And then I think I saw and

1474
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,559
this is a this is going to be a a basin

1475
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,160
or whatever for recovery. Is that

1476
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:58,559
correct?

1477
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:00,400
>> Yeah. And it's existing. It's an

1478
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,200
>> it's existing. Okay.

1479
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,160
>> Yeah.

1480
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,920
>> Okay. So, we've got this access that you

1481
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,359
discussed ear that was brought up

1482
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:10,960
earlier. Um that will be maintained by

1483
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,319
the HOA. The

1484
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:14,000
>> that will be maintained by the temple.

1485
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:14,640
>> The church.

1486
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,720
>> Yeah. That will be the temple. And so

1487
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:19,520
that will be that's basically going to

1488
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,400
be a private thoroughfare maintained and

1489
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,640
opened for public access.

1490
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,319
>> Yes, that's correct.

1491
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:30,400
>> Is there a gate there?

1492
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,200
>> I imagine they they will put a gate so

1493
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,960
once a year they close it so they can

1494
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,760
maintain um you know private possession

1495
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,000
of that. But our our uh our intent is

1496
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:49,349
that it would always be open. Yes. Any

1497
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:51,119
other questions?

1498
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:54,559
All right. Thank you. Okay. Uh we will

1499
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,440
have our first um public hearing. This

1500
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,599
is specifically for the Oak Village zone

1501
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:01,760
change. Before I open that hearing, I'd

1502
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,000
like to remind everyone um some rules of

1503
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,880
conduct. We do uh limit comments to

1504
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,200
three minutes per person. Uh we do ask

1505
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,960
that you come to the microphone, state

1506
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,400
your name and your address, please. And

1507
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,640
um I would ask that we don't make

1508
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,160
comments or questions from the audience.

1509
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,599
That you use your time of the microphone

1510
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,520
to make your comments and questions. And

1511
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:22,960
with that, we will open our public

1512
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:34,309
hearing.

1513
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:36,319
Okay, I'm gonna get my children out of

1514
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:38,720
here in just a second. Um hi, my name is

1515
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:42,960
Amanda Charles. I live at 23 85 east 430

1516
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,720
south. So this row of homes that is

1517
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:49,200
currently butdding up to the field, the

1518
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,440
fence is my backyard and then the field

1519
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,480
is right behind it. So, um, what I

1520
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,319
wanted to talk about today was I wanted

1521
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:59,359
to see if it was possible for the homes

1522
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:01,359
that are being built on the road that is

1523
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:04,400
now going directly behind my home if we

1524
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,760
can offset the homes so that I'm not

1525
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,480
staring into their home. So, we have

1526
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,079
these big, beautiful windows on the back

1527
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,079
of our house that right now have a

1528
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:15,599
really beautiful view, which is about to

1529
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:19,599
change. Um, but if those homes could be

1530
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:21,599
offcentered, I would otherwise I have to

1531
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:23,839
keep my book my blinds closed like all

1532
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:26,400
the time and it's the whole back wall of

1533
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,079
the house. And that tends to be the same

1534
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,319
for almost all of my neighbors along

1535
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:32,240
that strip. We all have like the same

1536
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:34,880
window setup. So, if the homes exactly

1537
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,280
line up, none of us can keep our windows

1538
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,640
open at night because we're just going

1539
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,799
to be staring at all of these people who

1540
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:42,400
moved into their new homes who I don't

1541
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,680
think would be too happy about that

1542
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,920
either. So, that was just the thing that

1543
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,839
I wanted to bring to the planning

1544
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:49,119
commission today.

1545
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,200
>> And that's along the south there, right?

1546
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,520
>> Yeah, this is this No, sorry, not that

1547
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,280
one. Yeah, that one where you're going

1548
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:56,160
back and forth. Yeah.

1549
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:56,720
>> Okay.

1550
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,040
>> So, all of those homes.

1551
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,760
>> Yeah. If we could potentially adjust

1552
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,680
those borders so that the homes are not

1553
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,040
staring straight at each other, that

1554
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,119
would be phenomenal and I think would

1555
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,040
make a whole bunch of residents a lot

1556
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,960
happier about the changes that are about

1557
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,079
to happen. So,

1558
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:19,030
>> thank you, Amanda. Thank you.

1559
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,359
» Hi, my name is Noranu Miller. I live in

1560
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:26,079
344 South 2070 East. Um when I found out

1561
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:28,319
about these um I was looking things and

1562
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:30,160
I was start looking the master plan from

1563
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,280
the city and one of the I have a two

1564
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:39,440
concern it says the traffic that will happen and the neighborhood park

1565
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,119
why we don't have a neighborhood park in

1566
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:44,000
there because based on what I read in

1567
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,520
the master plan it says it need to be a

1568
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,680
half a mile [clears throat] radius of a

1569
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,720
thousand residents bringing these 110

1570
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,599
homes plus the 184 that is in my

1571
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:58,480
neighborhood is uh the population will

1572
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,359
be more than 1,200

1573
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:04,720
or more depending. So why we don't have

1574
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,480
a a neighborhood park there? That's one

1575
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,000
because I know they're saying about

1576
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,720
Acorn Circle, but how big is that? It's

1577
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,520
a park with a little place to meet. How

1578
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,200
is that? And he he was referring to a

1579
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,920
little green area too. But where is the

1580
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,559
park for all the residents in that area

1581
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:27,040
including us? We are behind and all the

1582
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,960
neighbors were in the side which is the

1583
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,799
street for Rio Grande.

1584
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:36,079
Now the traffic is another issue. We

1585
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:38,880
will have the temple which is nice. We

1586
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,680
are blessed with that. The new homes

1587
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,200
will bring uh how many population? uh a

1588
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,680
family of four, how many you think it

1589
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:52,240
will be? I was thinking around 440

1590
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,359
people or 500 more people and how many

1591
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:56,960
cars will be driving you guys would

1592
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,799
mention three or four cars will be

1593
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:01,040
parking. So how many cars will be

1594
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,160
driving in the 100 south or in the

1595
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,640
Spanish parkway and how much traffic

1596
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,280
will happen plus the highest school plus

1597
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,760
the temple we will have a lot of

1598
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,960
traffic. So a Spanish parkway it will be

1599
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,440
widen iter I think I heard two weeks ago

1600
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,160
something like that but Rio Grande is a

1601
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,440
big problem turning left when I want to

1602
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,760
turn left cars behind me almost want to

1603
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,920
crash me because and the cars coming

1604
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,760
here is sometimes you can't you can't

1605
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,240
turn because too many cars coming and

1606
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,200
the 100 south and the 200 I get trapped

1607
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,960
I can't get out sometimes because the

1608
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,880
highest schoolers

1609
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,160
so and I asked to uh who is in charge

1610
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,200
search of the traffic the studies to

1611
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,040
email me because they say they didn't

1612
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,119
study about the traffic but they I don't

1613
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,960
know what studies can be done when

1614
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,359
there's no people yet there no so I'm

1615
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:58,240
requesting about 100 south they say at

1616
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,599
this point they can't put a light

1617
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,680
traffic but they can put a start sign

1618
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,160
and a crosswalk because you can't cross

1619
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,280
to other side of the 100 south across

1620
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,400
from the 2000 the cars coming too fast

1621
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,079
and the students the high schoolers you

1622
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,559
know how they drive. So I'm requesting

1623
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:17,119
that and why is [clears throat] Noah

1624
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:18,799
neighborhood park.

1625
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:29,510
>> Okay. Thank you, Nora. Yeah.

1626
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,119
» Hi, I'm Robert Filbrick at 337 South 270

1627
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:35,920
East. So I'm just on the west side um

1628
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,520
budding the the field the development. I

1629
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:40,960
just wanted to also plus one some of

1630
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,559
these previous comments just so another

1631
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:45,359
voice is heard with the um offsetting

1632
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:48,000
the lots because it's important to us to

1633
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,920
have the view of the mountains and and

1634
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,839
not a house and so it' be nice to be

1635
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:53,200
able to still see the mountains. I know

1636
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,599
that was part of their considerations of how to design it so that we you know

1637
01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:58,960
maintain kind of that view and the

1638
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,760
presence that we have. Um, so, um, plus

1639
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,480
one to that previous comment. And also,

1640
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:09,599
I don't know if there's a height restriction on these houses, if

1641
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,359
they're going to be certain level of

1642
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:13,839
stories, are they two, three, can they

1643
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:15,440
go beyond that? I don't know if some of

1644
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,760
these smaller lots, it seems like

1645
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,599
there'd be more tendency to build up

1646
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,920
taller. So, just a little concerned if

1647
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,200
we're going too high on some of these um

1648
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,400
houses. Um, I also want to just plus one

1649
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,240
with the traffic concern. Um, it's

1650
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,559
already busy. I live across the street

1651
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,720
from Nora and it is hard to get out

1652
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,200
sometimes off of Rio Grande onto 100

1653
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,839
South turning left um to get to over to

1654
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:41,760
go to

1655
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,319
um State Street or Main Street on

1656
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:48,960
Highway 6, sorry, Center Street. Um um

1657
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,119
so I don't know. I'm just concerned with

1658
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:52,640
more traffic coming in with all these

1659
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:57,119
houses. Also, um if you know going

1660
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,280
getting on to Spanish Fork Parkway and

1661
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,319
going to Highway 6 there, that uh new

1662
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:04,400
traffic circle too can get backed up at

1663
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,160
certain times of the day and it could be

1664
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,280
really hard to get through the light

1665
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,680
through highway six. And so with more

1666
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,440
traffic coming to the temple with the

1667
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,119
high school with these 110 houses with

1668
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,440
three plus cars each, you know, 300 more

1669
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,520
cars, just getting in and out of this

1670
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,760
area is is going to be difficult. And I

1671
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,680
don't know if there's more being done to

1672
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,160
consider easing the traffic with I don't

1673
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,119
know if they if the yeah these 100 south

1674
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,760
or sark Parkway are being widened or or

1675
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,760
what's considered there for that but

1676
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,559
just plus one in that concern.

1677
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:37,920
>> So that's all I had. Thank you.

1678
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:47,510
>> Thank you Robert.

1679
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,880
» I'm Robert Barnes. I have a property on

1680
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,119
uh at 344 South at 2580

1681
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:56,960
east

1682
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,920
uh to the east of the

1683
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,760
division here. And all of that area over

1684
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,599
there is

1685
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:11,599
zoned for third acre lots, you know, R R

1686
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:13,680
15.

1687
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,920
and they're trying to change this to

1688
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,599
from an R12 to a R9.

1689
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,640
That's going to lower R values.

1690
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,319
Why can't they just do the same thing

1691
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:25,760
they're talking about and just leave it

1692
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,640
at the R12?

1693
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,240
You know, that's what I'm concerned

1694
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,559
about. It's going to lower our values in

1695
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,880
our subdivision

1696
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,960
over there.

1697
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,680
You know, there's

1698
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,720
no reason they can't just put fewer

1699
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,720
lots. houses in there and have a little

1700
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,240
bit more area between houses and give

1701
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,039
people a a little bit more decent yard

1702
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:52,880
size yards.

1703
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,160
That's my con comments on it.

1704
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,280
>> Thank you, Robert.

1705
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:15,349
>> Thanks.

1706
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:20,079
Jerry Carroll. I live at 273 South 2580

1707
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,640
East over in the Eagle Haven

1708
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,720
subdivision.

1709
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,920
Um, my concern is the same as the young

1710
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:33,510
ladies would up here about traffic.

1711
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,359
Trying to get out of that subdivision on

1712
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:39,280
360 just on the south

1713
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,599
parkway is a challenge a lot of times.

1714
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:45,440
And then when you go up to 100,

1715
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,599
obviously the roundabout, which is

1716
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:51,280
notorious for Spanish fork, uh will help

1717
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,760
relieve some of that issue. But um I see

1718
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,720
the there's some bottlenecks that are

1719
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,000
real serious and I hope the city will

1720
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,839
have a at least a traffic study done to

1721
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:09,520
figure out what these extra maybe 250 to

1722
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,359
300 cars will add to it. And not only

1723
01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:16,240
that, but all of the visitors to the

1724
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,559
temple. 100 is a dead zone. You try to

1725
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:22,720
get out on 100 to get over on center to

1726
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,880
get off, you've gotund and something

1727
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,680
feet there and there's just no way to

1728
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,680
make that happen unless the city comes

1729
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,119
up with another plan to help transfer

1730
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,480
that some of that traffic over to six

1731
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,000
through 100 and center street.

1732
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,680
um

1733
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,960
the backup even from

1734
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,960
where I live to highway six taking a

1735
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,520
roundabout. I've been sitting there on

1736
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:52,960
the backside [snorts]

1737
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,240
almost to the church waiting to get down

1738
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,880
to six several times at different times

1739
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,160
of the day. Especially in the mornings,

1740
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:07,119
school lets out and about 5:00 to 6:30,

1741
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:09,200
it's you have a lot of traffic, people

1742
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,920
coming back from work. So, I think the

1743
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,960
traffic is going to be a major issue

1744
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,200
um quite possibly. And I see that to be

1745
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,760
a problem because we do have on both

1746
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,319
sides of our road, we have two form

1747
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:26,000
plots. They're not going to sell.

1748
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,039
Not anytime soon. So you've got a kind

1749
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,599
of a bottleneck as to how you can open

1750
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:35,599
up Spanish Forkway all the way into six,

1751
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:37,839
which I don't think that's possible

1752
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:40,799
because six is limited by the U dot as

1753
01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:44,079
to what you can do there. Uh, you know,

1754
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:47,119
I'm all for development

1755
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:50,079
and I'm looking forward to see the city

1756
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:52,160
let this area grow and do some things,

1757
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,839
but I do think the u

1758
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:58,480
getting back to a third acre, which we

1759
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,640
thought was going to be the issue for

1760
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,400
that whole area back to that parameter,

1761
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,680
giving that density even lower might

1762
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,520
help.

1763
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,760
Um, 10 years from now, who knows?

1764
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,000
But in the next few years, it's going to

1765
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,960
be a a nice problem for those who live

1766
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,920
there and those under the construction.

1767
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,720
It's going on even more massive than it

1768
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,359
is. And I do appreciate your time. Thank

1769
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:27,760
you.

1770
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:42,150
>> Thank you, Jerry.

1771
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,720
Hi, my name is Marie Godfrey and I live

1772
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:49,440
in a live at 7 North Maple Bend and so

1773
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,400
I'm in the general area. I agree with

1774
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,760
all the traffic that it's just for me

1775
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,760
the obnoxious

1776
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,839
you I don't have to go to on Spanish

1777
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:05,039
Fork Parkway. I can go the other way,

1778
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:07,680
but there's Maple Mountain High School

1779
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,079
and I consider a roundabout with

1780
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,720
teenagers like

1781
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,920
cut it off. That's just I don't see that

1782
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,640
working. They cannot get out of the

1783
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,520
parking lot in the afternoon about 2:45.

1784
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,880
I have sat for almost 10 minutes to get

1785
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:32,239
from down near the the um fields all the

1786
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:34,400
way up to Spanish Fork Parkway because

1787
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:39,520
the kids are all coming out coming out. And so a few of the items I

1788
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,279
don't know if I know how to work this.

1789
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,759
Um let's see. I've got it marked on

1790
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:46,880
mind. So right here you are talking

1791
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,880
about a street coming out where the kids

1792
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,159
come out at the far end by where they do

1793
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,520
the um they're learning to drive the

1794
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,880
cars. Hello. I don't understand. It's

1795
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,600
another roadblock. I don't know. They're

1796
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,839
going to put stop signs there. And then

1797
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,640
you have the things over here behind the

1798
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,719
meeting house. I happen to attend that

1799
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:10,319
meeting house. And there's an opening

1800
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:11,920
right here for this road that's

1801
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,000
partially there.

1802
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,679
Who's going to keep people from driving

1803
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:19,359
through here, over here, or from whiting

1804
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,520
over this way down through all these?

1805
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,000
It's like circling around and around and

1806
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,040
around traffic. More traffic. I can see

1807
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,000
coming out of the people trying to cut

1808
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,080
through over here at the meeting house

1809
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,799
and go through over this way or around

1810
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:37,040
over this way to try to cut. It's just

1811
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,719
this is a traffic flow problem. I see it

1812
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:42,799
the whole thing as being a problem. I

1813
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:45,199
love the designs. I love all the things

1814
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,279
about it. I just think the traffic is

1815
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:50,880
going to be a big big problem um with

1816
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,719
the high school and all the other

1817
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:54,719
openings that we have there. I know we

1818
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:57,360
need openings, but we have to egress,

1819
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,280
but it's causing more traffic. And I I

1820
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,719
it's an assumption they're going to

1821
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:05,120
widen Spash Fork Parkway. would be silly

1822
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,239
not to, but I still think a lot of it is

1823
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,360
just traffic issues is is my main

1824
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,040
concern. Thank you for your time. Thank

1825
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:18,709
you, Miss Godfrey.

1826
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:21,600
Hello, I'm Holly Osborne and I live at

1827
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:26,560
2369 East, 430 South. So, I am also just

1828
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,679
south of the houses uh where my neighbor

1829
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:31,440
Amanda was talking about them being

1830
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:34,480
offset. I agree with Amanda also. We

1831
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,120
would really love our back um back

1832
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,280
windows to not be staring into a house.

1833
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,199
But my other uh concern is that um these

1834
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,000
kids who live over here up in this

1835
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,040
neighborhood have just been reszoned to

1836
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,120
Sierra Bonita, which is an elementary

1837
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,800
school over here. And there is zero

1838
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,600
buses to Sierra Bonita. You're not

1839
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,560
there. Uh because it's less than a mile

1840
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,880
and a half I believe from Sierra Bonita.

1841
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,960
There is it is a zero bus school. So

1842
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,760
these kids, my sister lives up in the

1843
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,320
neighborhood up here. These kids are

1844
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,520
riding their bikes and walking through

1845
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,920
what is now an extremely dangerous

1846
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:22,000
four-way stop. Um and just going to be a

1847
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,719
more extremely dangerous, I believe, um

1848
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:26,480
roundabout. the roundabout. They're not

1849
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:30,080
stopping. Um the cars aren't stopping.

1850
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,560
The kids are going to be uh at the mercy

1851
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,120
of, like you say, the teenagers stopping

1852
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,760
in a roundabout, which is just not going

1853
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,440
to be right. I I'm sit there and I watch

1854
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:44,080
that four-way stop and there are police

1855
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,400
cars and ambulances there constantly.

1856
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,800
There are so many accidents right there.

1857
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,760
Um, I just can't I don't know how we can

1858
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,560
feel good about having just a crosswalk

1859
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,360
here for the kids. I think um and we've

1860
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,640
seen later down Spanish Fork Parkway how

1861
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,239
they have a um a tunnel coming

1862
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,080
underneath Spanish Fork Parkway. So, we

1863
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,239
know that that is possible. Is there

1864
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:14,719
some way that we can make it truly safe

1865
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:17,040
for our kids, bridge, tunnel, whatever

1866
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,520
it is that they can actually get from?

1867
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,760
And so we live over here. Our kids have

1868
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,560
been walking on the muddy trail um to

1869
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,800
Maple Mountain. our kids go this way to

1870
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,320
Sierra Bonita, but it would be really

1871
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,640
lovely for this for our kids to not have

1872
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,640
to go across

1873
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,000
Spanish Fork Parkway or across 100 South

1874
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,440
on foot or on a bike. If they could go

1875
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,600
underneath it, that would be the ideal

1876
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,679
for me. I know that this is the time to

1877
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:49,440
be able to do this, right? And if we

1878
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:52,159
have one kid, right, we've within the

1879
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,719
last couple years, we've had kids killed

1880
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:57,679
in pedestrian accidents. If we have one

1881
01:12:57,679 --> 01:12:59,920
kid die walking, riding their bike to

1882
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:02,800
Sar Bonita or to Maple Mountain, that

1883
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,400
will make all of this worth doing it

1884
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,159
right. If that happens, you'll regret

1885
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:10,239
that you didn't do it the right way.

1886
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:10,960
Thank you.

1887
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:16,550
>> Thank you, Holly.

1888
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:28,149
Any other comments from the public?

1889
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:30,320
» My name is Angie Dirkmont and I live at

1890
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,520
424 South 2250 East. Sorry, the map

1891
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,239
changed. But um my biggest concern is

1892
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:38,159
parking, too. We're worried about all

1893
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:39,920
this traffic. I don't know how many

1894
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,640
spots are in the parking lot, but it's

1895
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,719
tiny. like that is little and not

1896
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:48,080
enough. Um, usually like temple workers,

1897
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,400
patrons, if you add all that up, it's

1898
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,679
probably two like 200, 300 people on a

1899
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:56,480
busy day on a at a wedding. And so I

1900
01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:57,760
don't know if they can cut some of the

1901
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,880
houses to like make more parking. I know

1902
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,120
um now that that's back. Um, right here

1903
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,880
we go to this church. Sorry, I'm not

1904
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,440
very steady. Um they're going to take

1905
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:09,440
our parking lot which we use this

1906
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:11,679
pavilion all the time as like because we

1907
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:14,320
live over here and if this is planning

1908
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,640
on parking they're taking a whole grass

1909
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,120
strip here from us that we use because

1910
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,120
when they built our meeting house it is

1911
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,520
too small for us to even meet in the gym

1912
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,320
when we go to the um have parties. We

1913
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,560
use that grass, but their plan is to

1914
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,679
take that from the steak center and um

1915
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:33,120
like we just had a back to school

1916
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,199
barbecue and we don't even fit in the

1917
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:36,800
pavilion that's left for us in that

1918
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,000
building. And that might be a church

1919
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,400
question to talk to. But honestly, I'm

1920
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,480
very concerned about the parking. I

1921
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,040
don't know why it has to be 110 houses.

1922
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,040
I don't know if they can because once

1923
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,600
this fills up, I mean, you've got people

1924
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,520
parking on roads because they're old and

1925
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,679
can't walk as much. And this is a pretty

1926
01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:56,880
far walk from that church over here um

1927
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,360
to get to the temple. And so that's um

1928
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,520
one of my biggest concerns um along with

1929
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,280
all the other ones that have been stated

1930
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,640
too. Um but yeah, just the safety, the

1931
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,719
roads. Um there's more and more houses

1932
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:11,440
if you zoom out of that area. I mean,

1933
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,679
there's 110 houses there straight across

1934
01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:15,600
from our neighborhood. There was 78 that

1935
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,520
were being proposed. There's ones that

1936
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,960
are being built and a few people that

1937
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,120
are here that are the third of a third

1938
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,760
of acre lots, but there's just so much

1939
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,679
going on and I just don't even know if

1940
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:27,040
that parking lot's going to be big

1941
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,640
enough. I guess I just would need to

1942
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,040
know like how many parking spots there

1943
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,080
are and how many like workers they plan

1944
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,400
on having, how many patrons, a busy day

1945
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,000
at a wedding because if people start

1946
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,199
parking on the road out in like out by

1947
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:44,560
Maple Mountain, because I'm guaranteeing

1948
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,880
if it does get too busy and that parking

1949
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,400
lot's not big enough, then that might be

1950
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,440
a concern. But, uh, that's all. Thank

1951
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:58,950
you, Angie.

1952
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,040
Sorry, Marie Godfrey again. I did not

1953
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,760
ask when I was up here. These are larger

1954
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,360
lots. Is that correct? Okay. So, this

1955
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,920
little thing is a load. In other words,

1956
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,440
if I bought that big lot, I have to do

1957
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,360
load from the back. I don't have a front

1958
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:21,189
driveway. Yuck. Thank you.

1959
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:23,520
Any other comments?

1960
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,640
Okay. I will close the public hearing.

1961
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,800
Um, thank you for all those who came and

1962
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,840
commented. Um, I have a couple follow-up

1963
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,600
questions and then I'll open it up to

1964
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,880
the commission if you have follow-up

1965
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,120
questions as well. Um, to staff or the

1966
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,440
applicants. Um, my first one, um,

1967
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:44,000
a lot of comments about traffic. Um, and

1968
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,640
I'm specifically wondering about any

1969
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,280
plans, um, for widening any of the

1970
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,600
surrounding roads. I think there Spanish

1971
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,120
Fork Parkway. It was alluded to a

1972
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,840
possible widening and I just asked for

1973
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,800
some clarification about the surrounding

1974
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:05,510
roads any widening in the future.

1975
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,000
Uh with this development obviously it'll

1976
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,320
be widened along the edges of the

1977
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,199
development. Um we do have a few other

1978
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:15,120
development applications along Spanish

1979
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,000
Fork Parkway that will do the same. Um

1980
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,800
and then the city is working with UD do

1981
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,520
on some modifications to the US6

1982
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:24,480
connection.

1983
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:26,320
>> Thank you. And then I just wanted to

1984
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:32,560
comment um that we had discussed in our working session there are six exits

1985
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,000
um from this development um that exit in

1986
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,239
all different directions. And so um we

1987
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,640
had appreciated that um in our earlier

1988
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:45,440
discussions. Um and a question for Eric.

1989
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:48,960
Um would you talk about um maybe the

1990
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,719
issue of the offsetting homes with those

1991
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:53,199
neighbors and window to window?

1992
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:54,880
>> Sure. Well, right now

1993
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,840
>> if you'll give us one second, we have a

1994
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,800
page in the civil plans that shows the

1995
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,719
lot lines of the adjoining properties.

1996
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:14,149
>> Thank you. Um, and then feel free to

1997
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:15,199
» So, right now,

1998
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:16,320
>> the lots are

1999
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:17,760
>> Yeah, there's a little bit of an offset

2000
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,719
there today. It may not have read quite

2001
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:22,800
in the kind of handdrawn version of

2002
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,880
this, but we're proposing that there are

2003
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:25,760
slightly offset.

2004
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,440
>> Yep. That's a much more clearer picture

2005
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:29,520
of the offset of the lots. Yeah. Thank

2006
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,600
you. Y

2007
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,520
>> Oh. Um, sorry, one more question, Eric,

2008
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,920
while you're there. Um, and I know that

2009
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,480
the temple is not your project, but do

2010
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:41,679
you know how many parking spots will be

2011
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,040
on the temple grounds?

2012
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,640
>> I don't I don't know the number of

2013
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,159
spaces. However, I would say that the

2014
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:47,679
that they're very that they're very

2015
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:48,800
thoughtful about the way they've

2016
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,880
approached parking um and they're very

2017
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,000
concerned about making sure that they're

2018
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,840
parking the needs that they need to to

2019
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,159
serve the temple um in the way that

2020
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:57,199
they've approached it.

2021
01:18:57,199 --> 01:19:00,239
>> Okay. Thank you.

2022
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:03,120
Um, any other additional questions from

2023
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:03,840
the commission?

2024
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,679
>> Yeah, I guess some questions. Holly,

2025
01:19:05,679 --> 01:19:07,360
thanks for your comment there about

2026
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,120
we've heard before, I think, or at least

2027
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,199
I've heard about the Sierra Bonita

2028
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:12,800
connection there as well. This is

2029
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,520
actually a question for staff. Um, can

2030
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,600
we comment on what the difference looks

2031
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,120
like between say this this roundabout

2032
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,560
versus what we have right there right

2033
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,000
now, which I know is just a four-way

2034
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,440
stop with a just a four-way stop, right?

2035
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:30,800
versus um let's just talk about what the

2036
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:31,840
difference looks like that from a

2037
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,199
pedestrian perspective

2038
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,199
>> in terms of safety and things like that.

2039
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:41,440
>> Um strictly looking at pedestrian

2040
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:44,560
um roundabouts in many studies are much

2041
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,760
safer than than a four-way stop

2042
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,640
intersection for pedestrian crossing.

2043
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,679
um a as you're crossing because of the

2044
01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:55,679
refuge islands that we have in the

2045
01:19:55,679 --> 01:19:57,600
middle of them. Um you only have to

2046
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,480
really pay attention to traffic one way

2047
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:02,480
at a time, right? You're not looking for

2048
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:04,560
both both ways at a time in a

2049
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,800
roundabout. Um and you have that island

2050
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,040
that you can kind of stop and and and

2051
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,400
then look at the other direction. So, um

2052
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,159
yeah, there's

2053
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:15,920
many

2054
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,880
um federal wide or nationwide and even

2055
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,640
um in some of our projects, roundabouts

2056
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,480
that we've currently constructed, we

2057
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:28,320
have a lot of safety data that shows

2058
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,280
that they're much much more safe for

2059
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:37,840
pedestrians and cars. Um we've tracked

2060
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,000
we'll track intersections um crash data

2061
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,239
three years before um roundabouts put in

2062
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:48,080
and then we'll watch it for three years.

2063
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,199
So some of our original roundabouts that

2064
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:53,120
we've installed over the years we're

2065
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,280
seeing hit that three four years. Um and

2066
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,480
we can see and and we have the data to

2067
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:05,040
show that there is um quite uh increase

2068
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,600
in safety from from those roundabouts. I

2069
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,920
would also add we learned from um former

2070
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,840
commissioner Warick um that the Nebo

2071
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,400
School District also um is responsible

2072
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,080
for safe uh routes to school and they do

2073
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,640
um put those out and so Neibo school

2074
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,120
district I'm certain as this is

2075
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,560
developed um will study and recommend

2076
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,239
safe walking routes to school.

2077
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:34,560
So about the let's also talking about

2078
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,320
traffic and I know you probably have

2079
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,320
data or at least have seen this. If

2080
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,880
we're talking 3 to 500 more cars or

2081
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,000
something like that.

2082
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:42,560
>> Yeah.

2083
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:43,920
>> What does that look like in terms of

2084
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,440
actual traffic impact

2085
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:50,239
>> big hour? So they've submitted um within

2086
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,000
the last week a traffic impact study

2087
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,719
that we've reviewed and our city traffic

2088
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:57,120
engineer uh Dylan Mir Brooks reviewed

2089
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,239
too. And and so currently if you're

2090
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,239
looking to level service or delay at an

2091
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,560
intersection that that intersection is

2092
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,360
at a failing level of service, there's

2093
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,600
more delay than that we would consider

2094
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,480
as a level service A or B. With the

2095
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:15,199
roundabout, that almost doubles the

2096
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:18,080
input and and

2097
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,920
shrinks the delay that it would be a

2098
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,679
level service A or B um with with this

2099
01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:27,199
project and out 10 years.

2100
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:29,600
So that's coming from the model um that

2101
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,520
their traffic engineers have have done

2102
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,080
and that we've reviewed. So it increases

2103
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,080
the function of that intersection quite

2104
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,280
a bit. So

2105
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,719
>> the one uh comment also that um that

2106
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:45,840
Holly made or or or just sort of an

2107
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,679
observation obviously further north we

2108
01:22:47,679 --> 01:22:49,760
have that underpass which is one of the

2109
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,159
greatest things ever. I don't know how

2110
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:55,120
many places we actually have those.

2111
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,159
What does it take to get [clears throat]

2112
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:58,800
something like that

2113
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,480
>> from a pedestrian perspective?

2114
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:01,600
>> Lots of money money

2115
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,600
>> or or an over or an overpass? I know we

2116
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:04,960
don't have anything like that, you know,

2117
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,040
and and and and how did that even come

2118
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,320
about? I'm just kind of curious for

2119
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:08,800
context.

2120
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,400
>> So, I I don't know if Dave knows. I

2121
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,120
wasn't around when it came. Um and so

2122
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,320
I'd start with it. It takes space. And I

2123
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:17,920
think that's partly what makes that

2124
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,840
successful. Whereas some other

2125
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,400
pedestrian underpasses that you know

2126
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,360
maybe were built decades before that was

2127
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,400
where lines of sight get really

2128
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,880
restricted and he creates some kind of

2129
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,880
space that you know eyeballs can't get

2130
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,199
on and and they're not the types of

2131
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:39,840
places where you really wanna want to

2132
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,120
have people frequent. Um, but with the

2133
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,960
one at Legacy Farms, because we were

2134
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,000
looking at a I think about a 200 acre

2135
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,360
development, I think that's what Legacy

2136
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:54,880
Farms is with 800 or so homes with a big

2137
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,239
parkway leading up to Spanish Fork

2138
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:01,360
Parkway where we could gradually have

2139
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,239
the trail descend down below

2140
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,679
the roadway, gradually pull it back up

2141
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:09,120
because there was a lot of room to work

2142
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,560
with both in terms of how to deal with

2143
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,120
the grade change vertically and how to

2144
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,440
keep things just vis vis excuse me how

2145
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:19,440
to keep things visible

2146
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,000
>> you know horizontally through there um I

2147
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,760
think it does work really really well I

2148
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,239
think that's a real challenge that'll be

2149
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,480
hard to deal with here um it might be

2150
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:33,760
more akin to um I mean you see them

2151
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,120
sometimes stairways that go down and

2152
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,239
under a street and then back up to where

2153
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:45,040
uh um it's just not great space. The

2154
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:46,239
potential for things that you don't want

2155
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:47,840
to have happening, you know, happening

2156
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,320
in those spaces becomes higher than I

2157
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,440
think most communities are comfortable

2158
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:52,880
with these days and that type of a

2159
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,239
thing. So I I agree conceptually it's a

2160
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:59,040
great idea. Uh you rarely see those

2161
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,880
things though I think because they're

2162
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,760
hard to execute.

2163
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,040
>> Yeah, understood. Um, I guess I'll

2164
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,440
comment to on traffic, which I know we

2165
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:11,520
all experience as residents, and we've

2166
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,639
been commenting all night. Um, the

2167
01:25:14,639 --> 01:25:16,000
biggest challenge that it seems like we

2168
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,360
run into really is is the school versus

2169
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,600
everything else. Um yeah, I had a son

2170
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,440
who I've had two children who've gone to

2171
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:26,239
school there and the time is right

2172
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:28,239
around school time and obviously when we

2173
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,000
have um people coming home from traffic,

2174
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,679
but the absolute worst time is that sort

2175
01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:34,239
of 2:45 that that that you're talking

2176
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:37,199
about at the end. Um seems to look a

2177
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:38,400
little less worse in the morning, but

2178
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,960
it's pretty terrible in the morning. So

2179
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,719
um

2180
01:25:42,719 --> 01:25:47,040
from that perspective, like I'll just comment on that like I

2181
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,560
don't those are hard challenges. um to

2182
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:56,320
face here. Um and I don't know if this makes things

2183
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,679
meaningfully different from that

2184
01:25:57,679 --> 01:25:59,280
perspective because the real the real

2185
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,199
challenge really is the school. What I

2186
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:04,000
do think is is helpful here and and

2187
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,360
obviously this was a question we had

2188
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,280
before understanding that we do have

2189
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,639
these other egress points. I don't know

2190
01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:12,480
how that flows with the rest of traffic,

2191
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:14,000
but uh that's something that that

2192
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,760
materially changes here. I don't know if

2193
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,840
we've had any research or anything we've

2194
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,760
done on that just generally beyond just

2195
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,520
there's more paths here. Is there

2196
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:26,310
anything staff can comment on that?

2197
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:30,560
» So in the traffic study that we received

2198
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,639
um

2199
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:35,120
peak trip in the after school hours

2200
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,320
about 75 trips um in and out of the

2201
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,920
neighborhood. and they do show a map of

2202
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,199
kind of percentages of where those are

2203
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:47,360
coming in and out of the neighborhood.

2204
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,560
So, the most um I think the most that I

2205
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,080
saw is about 20% maybe on the north end.

2206
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,760
So,

2207
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,520
um not not huge when compared to the

2208
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,600
school. I think right now it's about 800

2209
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,199
trips is the the peak

2210
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:08,080
existing through that intersection. So

2211
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,960
if you take 20% of 80, you're maybe

2212
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,880
getting

2213
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,760
20 trips through there added to the 800

2214
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,400
that exists. So minor impact according

2215
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,600
to their traffic study.

2216
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,960
>> Have we offset with the roundabout?

2217
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,199
>> Correct. Yeah, I mean the the roundabout

2218
01:27:25,199 --> 01:27:27,520
will definitely help traffic through

2219
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,880
their offset.

2220
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,679
>> Are there any proposed stop sign? I mean

2221
01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:33,679
obviously this would be through. Are

2222
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:35,760
there any There's no four-way stops or

2223
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,560
any changes here. Is that

2224
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:39,040
>> correct?

2225
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:43,189
Yeah.

2226
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:46,719
» Why Why the offset on the roundabout?

2227
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:49,040
Why not have it in line with the

2228
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,840
intersection

2229
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,280
>> spacing? Yeah. There's

2230
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:54,400
>> Is it just for the

2231
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:55,040
>> existing

2232
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,480
>> to align it with the temple?

2233
01:27:58,480 --> 01:27:59,120
>> No, there

2234
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,040
>> that's the way it looks. I think it's

2235
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,800
the opposite. Honestly, the roundabout

2236
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,600
had to be cited further south because we

2237
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,480
didn't want to try to take property that

2238
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:12,159
would be required with the existing home

2239
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:13,760
on the north

2240
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,920
>> east corner and the building on the

2241
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,840
northwest corner to try to fit it in.

2242
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,159
Roundabouts take more room than your

2243
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:20,960
typical intersection,

2244
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,480
>> right? But every other intersection

2245
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:24,800
where we put a roundabout, we put it

2246
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,239
it's pretty much in the center of the

2247
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:27,040
intersections. It

2248
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,360
>> it might seem like it. That's not always

2249
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:33,600
the case. Um, but that's why if I think

2250
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,120
everybody would probably prefer to have

2251
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,600
it, you know, right there lined up with

2252
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,520
the center lines of the two roads.

2253
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,760
>> Yeah. I I just feel like it would flow

2254
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,960
better if it was and work more the way

2255
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,320
they're designed if they're better

2256
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,800
aligned with the roads coming to it. I I

2257
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:51,760
>> am I

2258
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,920
>> understand that in I think so a little

2259
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,480
bit and you know I appreciate the uh

2260
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:57,600
discussion that we've had about

2261
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,320
roundabouts a little bit tonight. Part

2262
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,719
of the beauty of roundabouts and why

2263
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:05,440
they are safe is that they slow people

2264
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:07,679
down and some of there are a lot of

2265
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:09,199
different things that go into that I

2266
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,159
believe. Um, but having an offset like

2267
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:15,280
this, I think that's partly in some

2268
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:16,960
cases why roundabouts are a great tool

2269
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,040
because they do work really well at

2270
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,440
intersections that don't perfectly align

2271
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:23,600
on cardinal directions or that type of a

2272
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,679
thing. So, and I think some of that

2273
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:29,040
comes from just drivers have to be more

2274
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:33,600
aware, more careful, and I don't see

2275
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,199
this as being any kind of a negative

2276
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:37,840
that it it's not right there at the

2277
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:42,390
center of the intersection.

2278
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,560
is is I mean we see that this is

2279
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,000
obviously the drawing that you know the

2280
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,000
applicant has here but I assume this is

2281
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,960
all complete the per this phase or are

2282
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,480
we going to have kind of a strange thing

2283
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:56,310
going on here

2284
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:57,920
» I know what I think but I want to

2285
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,239
>> everything we've seen is a complete one

2286
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:03,840
um I believe that Southeast property

2287
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,600
owner they've been working with to get

2288
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,080
the necessary rightway the city owns

2289
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,520
some of that rightway Okay. Anyways,

2290
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:13,040
along along the road right there, um

2291
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,040
shifting it south just a titch out of

2292
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,000
that intersection makes it so we don't

2293
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,920
need to acquire any rightway to the

2294
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,679
north. So,

2295
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:23,520
>> it would be a full complete.

2296
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,520
>> So, if you left if you centered it in,

2297
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,199
you would have to get a right away from

2298
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:30,960
the high school and the other the

2299
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,920
northeast property also. Mhm.

2300
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,080
>> And this way you can put most of the

2301
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,199
burden on the temple property and then

2302
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:40,400
the other

2303
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:41,920
>> the other field that's not developed.

2304
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,800
>> I said we own actually off the road a

2305
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:45,520
little bit. Okay.

2306
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,840
>> The city does already.

2307
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,360
>> The the temple property would probably

2308
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,679
be or at least whatever is is taken from

2309
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:53,199
that's probably the easiest place for it

2310
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,280
right now.

2311
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,400
>> Nothing there. And I think the the

2312
01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:59,679
property owner that we're working with

2313
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:02,239
here, I think they're taking the lead on

2314
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:04,080
working to acquire the right of way on

2315
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,719
the east side of Spanish Fork Parkway

2316
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:08,320
for the roundabout. Is that right?

2317
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:09,920
>> That's correct.

2318
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:11,520
>> And will this roundabout be big enough

2319
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:12,960
that we can pull a trailer around it

2320
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,110
without have to drive over it?

2321
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:17,920
» Depends on who's

2322
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,320
>> like the ETH North roundabout that

2323
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:21,520
>> you just you can just drive straight

2324
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:21,840
over that.

2325
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,280
>> It won't be patterned after the 800

2326
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,199
North ones. Correct. [laughter]

2327
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,199
And a lot of that's a function of we had

2328
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:29,040
to fit it, you know, and so

2329
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,880
>> I just g

2330
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:31,760
>> Yeah,

2331
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,440
>> Madam Chair,

2332
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:34,639
>> yeah, you're going to have school buses.

2333
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:37,040
>> Uh, traffic concerns are really common

2334
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:41,199
and we appreciate hearing them. Um, I

2335
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:44,880
think one thing that is helpful to keep

2336
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:49,040
in mind is that traffic comes from a lot

2337
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,600
of different places. There still is a

2338
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,639
lot of land left to be developed on the

2339
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:56,800
east side of Spanish Fork Parkway. We

2340
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,040
have developments on that side of the

2341
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,000
road that you know, frankly, they um

2342
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,920
they've been moving pretty quickly. Been

2343
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:05,280
a lot of homes built out there in the

2344
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,199
last couple of years. There will be a

2345
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:09,440
lot of additional homes built over

2346
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:12,800
there. Um, I I'm not trying to sugarcoat

2347
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,920
anything, but truly I um think that this

2348
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:19,600
development uh could be a big benefit

2349
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,480
with the addition of the key traffic

2350
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:23,679
control the roundabout that we're

2351
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:26,639
talking about with having uh First South

2352
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:28,159
expanded

2353
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:31,199
um having a remaining part of Spanish

2354
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:33,920
Fork Parkway up to the roundabout

2355
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,159
developed sidewalk, different things

2356
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,239
like that that all you have to do is

2357
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:39,920
drive down that street when kids are

2358
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,239
walking to or from the high school and

2359
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:46,080
you know something's missing. Um so this

2360
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,120
development will definitely

2361
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,880
if it moves forward and things happen

2362
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:52,800
the way we're talking about tonight

2363
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:57,120
address issues that go well beyond just

2364
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,719
what's happening on this property and uh

2365
01:33:00,719 --> 01:33:03,120
so forth. So just another thought.

2366
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,639
>> No yeah thank you for those comments

2367
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:07,199
that puts things into perspective. Um,

2368
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:09,760
any other final questions?

2369
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,600
>> I like a lot of it. I like the the

2370
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,880
sidewalk going down Parkway M.

2371
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,719
The comment about the kids, that's going

2372
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:18,560
to put Nebo School District in a pickle

2373
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:23,760
because that's scary right there. And I I don't know how you solve that, but I

2374
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,360
guess they'll help us figure it out.

2375
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,679
>> I I I really hope that roundabout is

2376
01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:30,239
helpful. And And I've seen that. I guess

2377
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:31,840
I I'll make a personal comment. I've

2378
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,000
probably said this many times. I I've

2379
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,120
ran this so many times. I I don't like

2380
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,639
running in the fields. I like running on

2381
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:40,560
the road. To actually get this connected

2382
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,600
would be great. We've had Maple Mountain

2383
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,360
High School's been here what since 2009

2384
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,679
or something like that. Kids have been

2385
01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:49,120
walking here and as soon as we got the

2386
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,120
gas station that's there, they they used

2387
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,040
to have kids over here. Just the fact

2388
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:54,719
that that's all worn in there. We're

2389
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:56,480
finally going to get that in place. This

2390
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:58,400
is something that we've needed for an

2391
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,400
extremely long time and we've just sort

2392
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,639
of made do for, you know, a decade plus

2393
01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:04,159
almost two decades here given the

2394
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:06,400
traffic there. So, I mean, I guess I'll

2395
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:07,520
just kind of comment on what you said,

2396
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,239
Dave, finally to have, you know, the

2397
01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:11,679
trail to have some pedestrian access

2398
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:13,360
there because this is a real pedestrian

2399
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:14,960
thoroughfare. I think a lot of us forget

2400
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,679
because we're all car-based that, you

2401
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:20,560
know, the pedestrians exist. This is one

2402
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,560
place where literally pedestrians have

2403
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:23,920
forged their own trail.

2404
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:24,639
>> Yeah. Right.

2405
01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:26,639
>> With their own feet here. And that'll be

2406
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:28,400
so good to get that nice and and

2407
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:32,560
improved and safe here. So, um, yeah,

2408
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,159
that and I know I know we're talking

2409
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:35,840
traffic here. I guess I'll also make a

2410
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,320
comment just on the, um, on, you know,

2411
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,159
on the plan and everything here. This

2412
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:42,400
looks, uh, this is one of the more in

2413
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,400
uh, I I would almost say one of the more

2414
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:45,600
complete developments I've seen that

2415
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,440
we've had here. Oftentimes, it kind of

2416
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:49,199
feels like we're trading horses a little

2417
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:50,400
bit. And I know we're actually talking

2418
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,719
about some a zone change here as well,

2419
01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:55,679
but um, I just really like what I'm what

2420
01:34:55,679 --> 01:34:57,280
I'm seeing here in this. It's it's

2421
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,360
something unique. It feels like it fits

2422
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:02,480
with uh it's also kind of fits and flows

2423
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:03,840
into everything else. I like how we're

2424
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:05,520
floating in into the existing

2425
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:08,719
neighborhoods here as well. Um you know,

2426
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:10,480
I I like that we commented here on the

2427
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:12,639
offset. We'll see what that looks like

2428
01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:13,840
when that happens there, but that at

2429
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,760
least sounds like like it's there.

2430
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,080
Obviously, things change as further

2431
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,679
development comes. You know, these are smaller than what we have existing

2432
01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:23,920
out here, but I really like what I'm

2433
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,880
seeing here quite a bit. So, I'll just

2434
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:28,080
make that comment.

2435
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:29,280
>> Commissioner Johnson.

2436
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,960
>> Yeah. Um, so we haven't addressed um,

2437
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,159
you know, one of the questions about

2438
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:38,000
parks and and so Dave, you know, I know

2439
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,199
Spanish Forks City has a goal to have a

2440
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:43,760
park accessible to, you know, every

2441
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,040
resident and there's a a beautiful park

2442
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,159
that's located in this um, subdivision.

2443
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:53,040
Is that accessible or is it private? Um,

2444
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,520
will it be a park for everybody? And if

2445
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:58,800
it's not a park for everybody, um what

2446
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,120
are the plans for the future to to

2447
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:05,679
provide a park in this area? Um and

2448
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:08,880
you know, what does that look like?

2449
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,199
>> I'll start and then I think because Mr.

2450
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:14,320
Snder talked to our parks folks. Um I'm

2451
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:15,840
going to let you weigh in on just kind

2452
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:17,520
of the bigger picture city situation

2453
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:21,600
with with city parks in the area. Um, as

2454
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,120
I understand it, the park that's being

2455
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,360
designed here, it's going to be a

2456
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,480
private park. As such, we as the city

2457
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,560
don't look at that as part of the

2458
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,560
overall park space kind of program for

2459
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,440
the for the community. That's not to say

2460
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:38,000
that it won't be available for other

2461
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:39,520
people to use, but that will be up to

2462
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:43,920
the property owner to decide and uh we

2463
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,719
proceed accordingly. So, that being

2464
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:48,320
said, Brandon, do you want to talk about

2465
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,400
the bigger perspective of the city's

2466
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,639
parks and recreation master plan.

2467
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:57,920
>> Yeah. And I believe uh you've spoken

2468
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:01,760
with BART as well. Um so we we got the

2469
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,239
phone call and I I believe Casey

2470
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:07,679
transferred u this resident to BART.

2471
01:37:07,679 --> 01:37:10,800
is our assistant parks uh sorry

2472
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,040
he's our parks assistant director

2473
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:14,960
specific for parks and open spaces. And

2474
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,520
I think I emailed you this morning with

2475
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,880
an exhibit that he provided to us. Um

2476
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,600
there are some goals that the city has

2477
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,520
in their master park plan where they

2478
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,960
talk about spacing from different size

2479
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,880
parks, regional parks, community parks,

2480
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,400
neighborhood parks, pocket parks, and

2481
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:36,000
whatnot. Um and in that uh email, there

2482
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,239
was an image that uh he had provided

2483
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:41,600
that showed the parks in the area. um

2484
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,679
and he kind of went over some of the

2485
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:46,960
distances with me. And so this is not a

2486
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,480
property that the city is looking to

2487
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:50,400
place a park on. There would be a need

2488
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:54,320
further east. Um this park um he did

2489
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,440
highlight that there is the Railside

2490
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:59,440
Trail Park that is scheduled to have

2491
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:01,760
more amenities and playground equipment

2492
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,800
installed that is just off this image to

2493
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:07,679
the west. Um there is obviously the open

2494
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:10,000
space with the high school. Um there is

2495
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,360
a city park up by Sierra Bonita. Um and

2496
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,840
then I think just over a mile was the

2497
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,760
electric park. Um but he did not uh

2498
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,679
indicate that a park would be needed on

2499
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:23,040
this property.

2500
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:24,960
>> Thank you, Brandon.

2501
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,360
>> Or at least at this time, right? Um, and

2502
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,760
one other question was um, with the the

2503
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,040
access road off of I think Whiting and

2504
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:36,960
Spanish Fork Parkway, there have been

2505
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,600
talks of a gate because it is private

2506
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,440
owned. There have been talks of maybe

2507
01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:44,480
not a gate. Do we know what they are

2508
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:51,030
planning to do in that off that street?

2509
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:55,119
So from what I understand, again it's the temple's property, but I I

2510
01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:57,119
understand that there will be a gate and

2511
01:38:57,119 --> 01:38:58,639
the function of that really is so

2512
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:00,159
legally they can shut it down once a

2513
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:01,440
year so there isn't a prescriptive

2514
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:02,880
easement that is then established

2515
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,880
through that area and that's the purpose

2516
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:08,000
of it. The intent is to leave it open.

2517
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:08,800
>> Thank you.

2518
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,440
>> Can I maybe mention that that really is

2519
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:14,320
a big deal I think for city staff. I

2520
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:15,280
think it's a big deal for the

2521
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:16,960
neighborhood. I appreciate seems like

2522
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,119
it's a big deal for you. Um, we're

2523
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:20,719
familiar with situations where roads

2524
01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:22,719
need to be closed for that amount of

2525
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:24,639
time every year. And I think typically

2526
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:26,320
when that happens, it happens at a time

2527
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,040
when it is uh

2528
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,280
um fairly discreet, doesn't have a big

2529
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,760
pack big impact on people that that use

2530
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,040
it day in and day out. Um, we would be

2531
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,960
concerned as staff if it were closed um

2532
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:45,520
for any longer duration of time than just that, but I think we're

2533
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,600
comfortable. So, I don't want to speak

2534
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,199
for

2535
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,679
everybody, but I think we're really

2536
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:52,800
comfortable with that arrangement and

2537
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,239
might even want to have that included in

2538
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:56,480
the development agreement just that that

2539
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,679
the road not be closed for any more time

2540
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:04,159
than what's required by law.

2541
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:05,920
>> Yeah, because I can totally see

2542
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,159
especially where you got the

2543
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:09,520
connecting right to the high school

2544
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:13,119
there that that's going to be a shortcut

2545
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,440
for a lot of students to get in and out.

2546
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:19,119
think they're going to and yeah, I think

2547
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:21,040
they're going to end up in the long long

2548
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:22,719
run, hopefully I'm wrong, but I think

2549
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:26,639
there'll be a lot of conflicts and with

2550
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:31,350
the traffic right there.

2551
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,840
» Can we go back to the the sheet showing

2552
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:37,280
the road cut for Spanish Parkway and

2553
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,920
also 100 South? on my laptop. It's just

2554
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,320
all blurry. But how many lanes are we

2555
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,960
going to have when when both sides are

2556
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:48,320
finished of Spanish Fork Parkway and and

2557
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,080
100 South?

2558
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:52,400
>> Are you referring to the civil plans?

2559
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:52,800
Yeah,

2560
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:54,480
>> we don't have them in this slide, but we

2561
01:40:54,480 --> 01:40:55,520
can pull them up.

2562
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,320
>> Well, maybe you could just tell me how

2563
01:40:58,320 --> 01:40:59,840
many lanes or I just

2564
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,040
>> Yeah. Uh master plan wise or long-term

2565
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,520
wise, Spanish Parkway will have three

2566
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,000
lanes. So, two travel lanes and a median

2567
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,920
turning turning lane. Um 100 South is a

2568
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,560
two-lane road. It's a little wider

2569
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,199
because it um allows parking on the

2570
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:19,679
side. So, has a little wider shoulders,

2571
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:23,280
but it's it's meant to stay a two lane

2572
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:28,629
um one lane in each direction. So,

2573
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:30,960
» um can we go back to the slide with the

2574
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,119
findings and conditions? Um if there's

2575
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:35,920
unless there's any other final comments,

2576
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:38,880
um I would entertain a motion.

2577
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,920
>> Uh one comment I'll make. Um and Dave

2578
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,400
inspired this if maybe we add I mean

2579
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,040
obviously we're we're proposing the

2580
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,560
fair, you know, or recommending maybe we

2581
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:52,880
add a comment there just uh for that

2582
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,520
private road specifically minimum uh

2583
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,679
time closed with that being that sort of

2584
01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:00,000
intent. Obviously the city council, it's

2585
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,320
up to their discretion, but and add a

2586
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:06,159
condition that it's closed no more than

2587
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:08,639
>> minimum necessary. Yeah. Whatever

2588
01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:09,119
necessary

2589
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:13,119
>> or per requirement by the law.

2590
01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:14,719
>> I think it'd be in the subdivision.

2591
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:16,639
>> Is that something we condition we could

2592
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:16,960
add?

2593
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:18,960
>> Yeah. So you've got again two motions,

2594
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:20,239
right? Two different things that you're

2595
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,000
deploy. So with respect to the zone

2596
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,440
change that wouldn't apply to the zone

2597
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:27,520
change motion and you come back to the motion on the subdivision. You

2598
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:30,080
could add a condition a recommendation

2599
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,400
recommended condition in that case.

2600
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:33,840
>> I would really like to have that.

2601
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:34,239
>> Okay.

2602
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:36,320
>> Just um just to make that intent clear

2603
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,480
because obviously it matters to staff. I

2604
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:40,080
think it matters to to everyone else

2605
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:41,840
there to

2606
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:44,639
>> so that'll be the next not this motion

2607
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:46,639
but the next motion. So

2608
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:49,440
>> I would make the motion that we um the

2609
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:51,679
proposed oak Village zone change be

2610
01:42:51,679 --> 01:42:54,000
recommended for approval based on the

2611
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,239
followings and subjects of those

2612
01:42:56,239 --> 01:42:58,560
conditions.

2613
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,719
>> I have a motion. Do I have a second?

2614
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:03,679
I'll second. All in favor?

2615
01:43:03,679 --> 01:43:04,639
>> I.

2616
01:43:04,639 --> 01:43:07,119
>> Any opposed?

2617
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:09,199
Motion passes. Thank you.

2618
01:43:09,199 --> 01:43:10,960
>> So now technically you need a a new

2619
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,880
public hearing for this subdivision.

2620
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:13,440
>> Got it.

2621
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:15,360
>> To discuss anything else that may need

2622
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:16,239
to be discussed.

2623
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:18,639
>> Thank you. Uh we will now open the

2624
01:43:18,639 --> 01:43:20,719
public hearing for the Oak Village

2625
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:24,320
subdivision preliminary plat. Do we have

2626
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,320
any members of the public who would like

2627
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:31,669
to comment on the preliminary plat?

2628
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:34,709
Seeing

2629
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:37,119
» um so that was presented um both the

2630
01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:39,600
zone change and the pre preliminary plat

2631
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,679
were presented together and then we're

2632
01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:43,679
holding two separate public hearings. So

2633
01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:45,520
all the information has been presented

2634
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:51,590
already.

2635
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,080
Please come forward.

2636
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,520
>> Um, if you'll wait till you get to the

2637
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,199
mic and if you'll reintroduce yourself

2638
01:43:57,199 --> 01:43:58,880
and remind us

2639
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:00,960
>> what is the preliminary plot, what it

2640
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,440
means.

2641
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:04,800
>> Will you take that Dave?

2642
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:05,520
>> Explain.

2643
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:09,920
>> Yeah. So, um, a subdivision plat is a

2644
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:13,840
document that gets recorded at the Utah

2645
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:17,280
County Recorders Office and that's what

2646
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,760
creates individual pieces of property

2647
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:22,159
that can be sold or just conveyed to

2648
01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:23,600
different property owners. So, it's what

2649
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,960
splits properties up. In this case,

2650
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:28,480
doing it this way, this is the legal way

2651
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:29,600
to do it.

2652
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,520
>> Um, and that process has two steps.

2653
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,760
the preliminary plat step and then after

2654
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:40,400
that there's a final plat step. So we

2655
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:43,119
address certain issues at the

2656
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:45,679
preliminary plat stage and then other

2657
01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:49,040
issues at the final plat stage. Um but

2658
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,440
frankly we addressed the I would say

2659
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:53,840
most impactful and significant issues

2660
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:55,520
with the preliminary plat

2661
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,440
>> and then the final plat basically is

2662
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:00,719
just a technical document with some more

2663
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:03,280
precise construction plans that gets

2664
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,840
approved um administratively by city

2665
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,480
staff. So this is the most important

2666
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:10,639
part of the process that leads

2667
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:12,719
eventually to somebody being able to

2668
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:16,400
take different pieces of a property and

2669
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,880
uh have those created and be able to

2670
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,400
convey those to a different owner.

2671
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,520
>> Okay. Can I say something about the well

2672
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,520
the lots? No, because they will be

2673
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:29,440
approved later if they go over the two

2674
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:31,040
208

2675
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:33,040
and 209.

2676
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,119
Why they don't leave that green all that

2677
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,040
green area open? Because of the

2678
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,840
neighbors in this side, we walk to

2679
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,000
church that way and it's a green area.

2680
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:44,080
Why is not living open? Because the way

2681
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,199
it sounds, you guys don't don't say much

2682
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:49,760
about the neighborhood park. I held a

2683
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,960
railroad park which is a dog park for me

2684
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:54,719
because each time I walk over there with

2685
01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:56,960
my grandkids, it's all poop there. Yeah,

2686
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,000
it's pretty bad. So why they don't leave

2687
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,320
that green area? And hopefully you guys

2688
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:05,600
look to a little more bigger park and

2689
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,119
the way it sounds is private park a

2690
01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:12,400
circle park. So we won't be able to have

2691
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:15,520
access. So what is that?

2692
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,040
Can can they do that before?

2693
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:21,119
>> Um so we're still in public hearing.

2694
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:22,480
We've taken your comments and your

2695
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:25,040
questions. Um and do you have any do we

2696
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:26,560
have the timer up? Did you have any

2697
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:27,199
further

2698
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:29,440
>> No, I say that two lots.

2699
01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:31,600
>> Okay. Yeah. to be leave open.

2700
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,520
>> Okay. Thank you, Nor.

2701
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,000
>> Any other public comment on the

2702
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,119
preliminary plat.

2703
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:40,400
>> Um, you'll need to come to the

2704
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,679
microphone, please.

2705
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:46,239
And if you'll restate your name. Sure.

2706
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:48,080
It's Marie Godfrey. I just don't see

2707
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,840
where she was talking about. If someone

2708
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,360
could point to it, that's all I wanted

2709
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:55,119
to know. Okay. She's saying 28 and 29.

2710
01:46:55,119 --> 01:46:56,960
>> Oh, okay. That's all I wanted to know.

2711
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:01,760
>> Thank you. Any other comments?

2712
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:04,080
Seeing none, I will close the public

2713
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:07,189
hearing.

2714
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:09,280
» So, if we go back to the landscape plan,

2715
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:12,320
you can see that the the trail space

2716
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:15,199
between the Yeah, this shows it. I don't

2717
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:18,000
have a pointer. Thanks. So, what we're

2718
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:19,440
talking about is there's an existing

2719
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:21,280
trail that comes down here. It would

2720
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:24,480
then continue and come down and connect

2721
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:26,239
over here and then also continue with

2722
01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:27,760
the streets.

2723
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,760
And so that is just a continuation of

2724
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:33,360
the existing trail that would come down.

2725
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:36,239
>> Okay. Thank you, Brandon.

2726
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:38,960
Any questions or comments from the

2727
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,040
commission regarding the preliminary

2728
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:42,320
plat?

2729
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:45,040
>> So I just want to clarify on the the lot

2730
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,440
staggering. The other plan shows them

2731
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:48,800
more staggered. This shows them

2732
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,480
perfectly lined up.

2733
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:52,880
>> So which one is the plat?

2734
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:54,960
>> And Eric, please come up. But it was the

2735
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,600
other drawing. This was um it was

2736
01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:58,960
>> tough as I think what's difficult about

2737
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,480
this drawing is that we we're lined up

2738
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:02,880
on the aerial uh photog photography that

2739
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,800
we have available to us. And if you look

2740
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:06,000
really closely, you can kind of see

2741
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,080
where they are. This is the this is the

2742
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:09,840
actual plat that will be recorded. And

2743
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,400
this is exactly the the uh the

2744
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:14,239
identification of the civil plan from

2745
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:16,480
the lots to the south and the new civil

2746
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:18,239
plan that will be in this preliminary

2747
01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:20,880
plat. Definitely clearly more staggered

2748
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:21,440
than

2749
01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:23,360
>> so that's about as staggered as you

2750
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:26,320
could get those lots.

2751
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:28,239
>> Yeah.

2752
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:29,840
>> Okay.

2753
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:35,030
Any other questions or comments?

2754
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:37,679
Seeing none, I will entertain a motion.

2755
01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:39,280
>> All right. So before the motion, I want

2756
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,440
to add that condition that we added

2757
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:43,360
talked about specifically minimum amount

2758
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:47,280
of time closed for the uh for the

2759
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,520
private road there connecting um from

2760
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:51,600
Whiting to University or sorry not

2761
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,639
university uh Spanish Fork Parkway.

2762
01:48:54,639 --> 01:48:56,320
Thinking of different cities there.

2763
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:57,840
[laughter]

2764
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,880
>> And before a motion, could I also ask

2765
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:02,719
going back to this entrance onto Spanish

2766
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:05,440
Fork Parkway? It's a narrower entrance.

2767
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:08,719
It's not standard like the other side.

2768
01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:10,800
Could it be? Could it be a standard like

2769
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:11,600
the other side?

2770
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:13,280
>> I thought we said it was the same size,

2771
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:14,239
just different material.

2772
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:15,920
>> I thought it was narrower and and

2773
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:19,430
different material.

2774
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:22,080
» Is it narrower?

2775
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,639
>> It is. I don't think it's narrower. I I

2776
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:26,000
think it is the same. Um

2777
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:26,800
>> it is the same.

2778
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:29,119
>> Yeah. I It should be consistent all

2779
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:31,040
throughout. It's just the materials that

2780
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,040
are used. We're elevating it.

2781
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,480
>> Slow them down. We're not actually

2782
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:36,719
designing that. That is that is part of

2783
01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:38,560
the um temple

2784
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,040
>> temple site. Okay. Okay.

2785
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,400
>> Thank you.

2786
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:43,920
>> Okay. Thank you.

2787
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:45,520
>> So I propose we add that.

2788
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,159
>> So is that

2789
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:51,920
>> I guess my question is Dave or is that

2790
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:57,440
even part of this recommendation?

2791
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:59,440
>> I think absolutely. I I think it is

2792
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:01,760
>> it is even though it's it's outside of

2793
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,400
the boundaries what they're asking

2794
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,880
>> because are we reszoning did we reszone

2795
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:10,159
the the church also?

2796
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:10,880
>> Uh

2797
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:11,760
>> yes I think

2798
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:14,480
>> yes now we're talking about a different

2799
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:15,679
application

2800
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:19,760
>> right but so in this plot

2801
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,560
>> are we is this roadway is included in

2802
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:23,760
this plot it will be

2803
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,320
>> yes the temple parcel is part of the

2804
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,880
preliminary plot. Yes. approve it right

2805
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,760
now. So, this that roadway is actually

2806
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,080
something that we can put the conditions

2807
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:35,360
in that Paul's talking about.

2808
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:36,480
>> Yeah.

2809
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:36,960
>> Okay.

2810
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,520
>> Do we have some recommended verbiage for

2811
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,400
those conditions? Um Paul suggested that

2812
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:44,080
meets the minimum requirement for the

2813
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:45,840
law. Is that enough? Do we know what the

2814
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,639
law is that we could be more specific?

2815
01:50:48,639 --> 01:50:50,560
>> I think what he said was fine

2816
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,840
>> the minimum it be restricted in a

2817
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:55,760
minimum minimal way or however you said

2818
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:56,480
that. I think

2819
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:58,880
>> yeah minimum amount of time and I don't

2820
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:02,239
even know if I I make the suggestion we

2821
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:03,520
>> Yeah.

2822
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:04,080
>> Okay.

2823
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:05,280
>> I might also add like

2824
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:06,560
>> that'll go to the city council and the

2825
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:07,840
city council will tweak it if they need

2826
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:08,239
to.

2827
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:09,760
>> Yeah. They tweak everything [laughter]

2828
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,600
and and also like the least disruptive

2829
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:15,119
time as well too. I don't know Sunday at

2830
01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:16,880
1:00 a.m. whatever you know.

2831
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,400
>> I know. Paul, do you want to make the

2832
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:19,199
motion?

2833
01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:21,040
>> Yeah. So yeah, let's bring up that just

2834
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,520
so I [laughter] get that motion.

2835
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:24,960
>> Can I add one more thing too? Like if

2836
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,480
we're if we're thinking about this and

2837
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,840
we're we're down, you know, maybe

2838
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,400
different material to try and slow down.

2839
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,239
I'm just thinking like Provo Center

2840
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:36,880
Street 15 miles an hour, right? Is that

2841
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:38,560
something that we consider too? Like

2842
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:40,639
maybe it's not your standard 25 miles an

2843
01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:43,840
hour. Maybe we are 10 15 miles an hour

2844
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,840
right here on this small strip or I

2845
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:46,320
don't know.

2846
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,639
>> I think that's absolutely the idea.

2847
01:51:48,639 --> 01:51:52,719
Okay. And it's, I think, an effort to to

2848
01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:56,159
uh get that reaction through how it's

2849
01:51:56,159 --> 01:51:58,719
designed more so than what's on a sign.

2850
01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:00,000
>> Yeah.

2851
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,360
>> So, real quick, when you're talking

2852
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:05,840
different materials raised, so you more

2853
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,080
like a a speed bump type

2854
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:09,760
>> or like a stamp concrete. So, when

2855
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:11,280
you're traveling on it's making noise,

2856
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,360
slowing you down, something like that.

2857
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:15,040
>> And uh and I misspoke. That is

2858
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:16,639
definitely part of our application. What

2859
01:52:16,639 --> 01:52:19,119
I meant is our team is the Temple team

2860
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,840
that's designing it. So, I'm I'm careful

2861
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,080
about what I'm committing them to do.

2862
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:25,840
>> Trying not to get in trouble.

2863
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:28,159
>> Oh, come on.

2864
01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:30,239
>> But I I we I've talked with them about

2865
01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:33,760
it. That is absolutely the um the spirit

2866
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:35,440
of what we're trying to do. Slow traffic

2867
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:37,920
through there. It'll be open for cars to

2868
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,000
come through. Um we've talked to them

2869
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,080
about that. They've agreed to it. So, I

2870
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,159
think we're completely good there.

2871
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:44,639
>> Okay.

2872
01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:46,719
>> Thank you.

2873
01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:49,440
Okay. So, I'll make a motion that the

2874
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:51,360
proposed Oak Village subdivision

2875
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:52,960
preliminary plat be recommended for

2876
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:54,800
approval based on the following findings

2877
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,480
and subject to the conditions as noted

2878
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:58,639
here. I want to add one more condition

2879
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:00,560
that the private road from Whiting to

2880
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:03,760
Spanish Fork Parkway be that that's our

2881
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:05,520
suggesting it be clo when it is closed

2882
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:06,880
that we'd ask it be closed for the

2883
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:08,560
minimum amount of time in the least

2884
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,520
disruptive time.

2885
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,520
>> Thank you. I have a motion. Do I have a

2886
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:14,159
second?

2887
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:15,840
>> Second.

2888
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,119
All in favor?

2889
01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:18,400
>> I I

2890
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:20,560
>> Any opposed?

2891
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,400
Motion passes. Thank you.

2892
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:27,360
>> The next item of business is to adjurnn.

2893
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:28,800
Uh do I have a motion to adjurnn?

2894
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,400
>> I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

2895
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:31,840
>> Second.

2896
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:34,480
>> All in favor? I

2897
01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:37,679
>> you. Thank you so much.