1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,260 Like, yeah, it's trying to kind of, I don't know. That one. Thank you. Well, I was going to see the curbs. I do. It's good question. 2 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:29,560 It's six o'clock now. Do we want to wait a few minutes? Oh. Oh, in the parking lot. Okay, so I wouldn't 3 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:14,030 You need a 4 00:01:25,010 --> 00:01:26,550 minute to settle in, Bob, or are you ready to? 5 00:01:28,090 --> 00:01:30,250 You need a minute to settle in? 6 00:01:30,250 --> 00:01:31,710 Is Vaughan coming? 7 00:01:32,070 --> 00:01:33,410 No, he's not coming tonight. 8 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,160 Yeah, give me a second. 9 00:01:58,890 --> 00:01:59,170 All right. 10 00:02:06,670 --> 00:02:08,950 This conference will now be recorded. 11 00:02:10,270 --> 00:02:11,210 Good to go. 12 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:12,670 Okay. 13 00:02:13,830 --> 00:02:18,990 Open up the planning board meeting here on Tuesday, September 15th. 14 00:02:19,230 --> 00:02:21,870 All members present except for Vaughan. 15 00:02:27,340 --> 00:02:32,980 First item is the senior public hearing, stormwater, and scenic road permit. 16 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:42,620 Yes. They have requested to continue to October 20th. They are still waiting for the peer review from conservation. 17 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:51,580 They agreed to do the peer review through BSC. That was the one where there was a miscommunication and they had paid for their own peer reviewer. 18 00:02:53,020 --> 00:03:01,340 And the contract with BSC was signed at the end of August. So I'm hoping that by our next meeting there should be at least the initial peer review comments. 19 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,820 Yeah, that one is getting continued again. 20 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,060 Along with number three. 21 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:07,800 Yes. 22 00:03:10,780 --> 00:03:14,760 So do we need to open up by hearing and I can postpone it? 23 00:03:14,980 --> 00:03:15,180 Yeah. 24 00:03:15,500 --> 00:03:15,660 Yeah. 25 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Okay. 26 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:17,080 All right. 27 00:03:18,740 --> 00:03:19,820 I don't know, too. 28 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:26,100 Continue public hearing, stone water, scenic road permit applicant, land planning, ink, owner, 29 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:34,380 in real-to-trust location, in case you rode Spencer and Mass, street address not yet assigned. 30 00:03:34,820 --> 00:03:43,580 Assesses map R01-18-01, they help kind of seeking a stormwater permit under Article 14, 31 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:50,660 stormwater management bylaw of the Spencer General bylaw and scenic road permit under MGL, 32 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:58,840 Well, Chapter 40, Section 15C, to build a new single-family home with a septic well-in-new driveway. 33 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:04,380 Property is located within a rural residential zoning district. 34 00:04:07,130 --> 00:04:11,170 So, anybody have any comments before we open the meeting? 35 00:04:11,850 --> 00:04:12,310 I'll be hearing. 36 00:04:12,910 --> 00:04:17,750 So I think since they're not here, we aren't supposed to open it to public comment. 37 00:04:18,070 --> 00:04:19,190 Is that correct, Ja? 38 00:04:20,510 --> 00:04:29,470 You could, everything needs to be in the record, but you probably recommend that whoever speaks would come back next time, just to make sure that the applicant can hear. 39 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:32,230 Let's find out if anyone's here to do that first of all. 40 00:04:32,690 --> 00:04:39,330 If anyone here want to speak on this item, anybody online want to speak on this item? 41 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:41,230 Okay. 42 00:04:42,010 --> 00:04:44,170 I have a motion to continue the next meeting. 43 00:04:46,430 --> 00:05:00,260 All right roll call vote Jenna Charlie Charlie Jebel Zai, next item, same situation, continued 44 00:05:00,260 --> 00:05:06,260 public hearings, stone water and scenic road, remit, applicant, land planning, ink, 45 00:05:07,140 --> 00:05:14,420 Ona, Bedrosium, Realty, Trust, Location, William Casey, Road, Spencer, Mass, Street Address, not yet assigned. 46 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:23,540 Assessors map R01-18-02, the applicant is worth seeking, it's one more to permit, an article 14. 47 00:05:24,820 --> 00:05:31,020 Stormwater Management by law of the Spencer General by law, and a scenic road permit under MJL, 48 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:37,720 to have the 40 section 15c to build a new single filmy home with a septic well and new driveway. 49 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,500 The property is located within the rural residential zoning district. 50 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:46,100 Anyone want to speak on this item? 51 00:05:48,530 --> 00:05:48,850 Online? 52 00:05:50,130 --> 00:05:51,590 Is there a motion to continue? 53 00:05:51,790 --> 00:05:53,510 I moved to the 20th. 54 00:05:54,050 --> 00:05:55,030 Yeah, second step. 55 00:05:55,370 --> 00:05:55,790 Roll call. 56 00:05:56,290 --> 00:05:56,610 Gina? 57 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:56,970 Hi. 58 00:05:57,070 --> 00:05:57,430 Charlie. 59 00:05:58,450 --> 00:05:59,070 I have old side. 60 00:06:03,380 --> 00:06:03,880 Next item. 61 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:06,040 Item four. 62 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,660 Public hearing, site plan review, special permits, no more to permit applicant. 63 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,880 New England Power Company and Massachusetts Electric Company owner. 64 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:22,560 New England Power Company, 7.5, 9, Federal Road, and MASS. 65 00:06:22,740 --> 00:06:25,740 This is MAP, U11-9, and 10. 66 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:33,860 The applicant is seeking a site plan review, special permits, no more to permit under section 7. 67 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:42,420 A review, 3.4.2 H, special permit for structures within floodplain, and 68 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:47,320 the Spent-to-Stormort-A-Manager-Pylar, Chantico-14 of the Spent-to-General-Pylar's. 69 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:52,960 Opposed construction and installation of certain sub-station-related equipment, 70 00:06:53,540 --> 00:06:56,540 in facilities that it's existing electric substation. 71 00:06:56,540 --> 00:07:02,960 The property is located within the rural residential and commercial zoning districts. 72 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:06,720 Showtime. 73 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:08,680 Good evening, Mr. Chair. 74 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,500 For the record, my name is Joshua Lee Smith. 75 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:25,040 I'm an attorney with a law firm about it, Chintouille, and I'm here this evening representing my client with our two applicants, co-applicants in the power company and Massachusetts-elected company, as you mentioned at the outset, Mr. Chair. 76 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:33,420 here. Also, as you mentioned, we are here tonight seeking three permits. The first of 77 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:40,080 which is a special permit concerning work within the floodplain district. We're also 78 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:47,420 seeking a stormwater permit. And then lastly, we're seeking site plan review approval in connection 79 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:48,240 with this project. 80 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:55,880 My right is Vernon Maurer, he's the civil engineer of record behind me are a number of 81 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:03,340 representatives consultants with the company who are also here for moral support for us, 82 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,340 but also to answer any questions if we cannot answer them. 83 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:17,240 We've handed out a slide deck which thank you, Vivian, is also being displayed, not sure if 84 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,920 You also have electronic people wanted to run through this pretty briefly. 85 00:08:23,540 --> 00:08:28,700 The slide deck is longer than we're actually going to be formally presenting as 86 00:08:28,700 --> 00:08:35,740 this is a pretty straightforward project. Vivian, do you have the, I don't think I see the plans. 87 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,900 Yeah, I don't have a copy of the slide deck. 88 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:41,540 Okay, that's fine. That's why we brought paper copies. 89 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,200 So, as I said, I'm going to run through this pretty quickly, give a little 90 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,400 background, talk about the project scope, as well as the need, and then get into some 91 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,900 of the standards that need to be met with respect to these permits. 92 00:08:55,180 --> 00:09:01,280 So as most of you probably know, this is an existing substation site, a man-to-lectic substation. 93 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:03,300 We'll start off with this slide right here. 94 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:08,660 The station itself has been in existence for decades. 95 00:09:08,660 --> 00:09:20,060 The last time this station was upgraded with respect to equipment within the substation site was back in the 1990s. 96 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:28,200 So like a lot of durable equipment, it comes a time when that equipment needs to be replaced. 97 00:09:28,540 --> 00:09:32,660 So that is part of the project here is replacement of equipment. 98 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:46,340 The other part, which is more land use related, is some improvements with respect to infiltration, stormwater at the substitution site as well, and we'll get into that a little bit more detail in a moment. 99 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:51,380 As you mentioned, Mr. Chair, this is actually a lit-zone lot. 100 00:09:51,960 --> 00:10:00,960 It's located both within the commercial district, but where the project work is happening is entirely within the RR-R residential portion of the site. 101 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:12,600 Again, it's an existing substation and we'll show on one of the slides coming up the relatively minor area where the improvements are taking place. 102 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:23,080 There is an expansion of the substation fencing in the rear portion of the site, as well as I mentioned some improvements with respect to the storm water facilities. 103 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:29,900 If I'm going to jump into this light here, this aerial depiction here again, just to get your bearings. 104 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:33,640 The site is a little bit oddly shaped. 105 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:39,460 So what's highlighted in yellow here is the NEP portion of the site. 106 00:10:39,820 --> 00:10:45,260 So the vast majority of this substation site, as you can see, is on New England Power Company land. 107 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:51,980 And it's oddly shaped because it, in the rear, it butts the seven mile river. 108 00:10:51,980 --> 00:10:57,320 So it basically follows the midline of that area. 109 00:10:58,580 --> 00:11:03,400 Directly to the north is MEC-owned land, 110 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:05,680 Massachusetts Electric Company land. 111 00:11:06,380 --> 00:11:10,840 And there's a small portion in the northly part of that substation yard that you can see 112 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:16,080 that is actually on the MEC land. 113 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,520 So the substation yard itself is actually also split in terms of being 114 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,720 mostly on the NEP land, but a small portion of it is also on the NEC land. 115 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,920 Hence, that's why we filed as co-applicants between the two companies. 116 00:11:30,540 --> 00:11:33,800 And yes, they are affiliates, both affiliates with national grid. 117 00:11:35,220 --> 00:11:42,720 So, again, the substation guard itself, the front portion of the guard is in that commercial zone. 118 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:50,660 And surrounding the site to the direct south is municipal-owned DPW facility. 119 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:59,160 To the north is that MEC land, which has an operation center directly across the street is a burry. 120 00:11:59,860 --> 00:12:07,460 And then again, to the rear is a 7 mile river and the site is somewhat constrained as 121 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:09,860 there are wetlands to the west and north. 122 00:12:09,860 --> 00:12:10,860 The 123 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,780 next slide here just gives us review, again, I'm sure most of you are more familiar 124 00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:22,580 with this than I am, but that's basically what the site looks like as you, from the driveway 125 00:12:22,580 --> 00:12:23,560 entry point. 126 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:34,320 This last, this color coded slide here, this, the red, or the pink area here depicts the expansion 127 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:40,480 of the substation fencing, which is, is commensurate with this expansion of the substation yard. 128 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:55,940 So as I mentioned, relatively speaking, this is, I would call this a sliver, it's a small portion of land that's being expanded in order to accommodate in here, which is where the new equipment is, and Vivian, I don't, yes. 129 00:12:56,260 --> 00:13:05,000 So as shown on the plans, the darkened areas show where there are various pieces of equipment. 130 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:11,660 And a lot of the infrastructure there, the support structures already exist. 131 00:13:12,620 --> 00:13:20,480 So there are however, transformers, circuit breakers, however, that are being replaced in kind. 132 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:33,660 And so the portion that is where we're showing, again, this expansion of the yard, there's no equipment actually going in within this expansion portion of the substation yard. 133 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:40,780 But it needs to be expanded, anyway, in order to provide clearances from the new equipment that's being installed. 134 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:49,340 In addition to that, just to the north of the pink here, to the north of the expanded substation fencing, 135 00:13:50,020 --> 00:13:58,480 is a new infiltration basin, as well as compensatory flood storage, which Brendan will get into a little bit more detail in a moment. 136 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:05,260 As I mentioned at the outset, a portion of the site is within the flood plain, so part 137 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:12,100 of this is in connection with that to allow for better management for the sector stormwater 138 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:19,000 and in the low chance that there might be some type of flood event occurring. 139 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:27,060 I will point out with respect to the flood plain, the 100 year flood elevation is about 140 00:14:27,060 --> 00:14:36,460 633 feet. The equipment substation yard is a little over 2.5 feet above that floodplain elevation. 141 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:41,000 The 100-year flood? Correct, right. 142 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,040 So, the next slide shows a little bit more detail 143 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:54,360 with respect to the grading work and shows that in the compensatory flood storage 144 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,000 I'm going to stop there, Brendan, you want to 145 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,780 motion. Sure. Well, my name is Brendan Mauer. I'm a civil engineer with Burns of McDonald. 146 00:15:07,860 --> 00:15:29,920 And we did the design here for the creating and drainage stormwater sight layout, things like that. And so like Josh touched on part of where we're expanding the substation yard where the fence is is bumping out is technically within the 147 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:37,780 100 year floodplain, so we're filling an area within that floodplain and to 148 00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:44,000 offset that or we're excavating an equivalent area so that there's no loss of 149 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:51,300 flood storage and that's what's illustrated on our grading plan with the it's 150 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:56,460 kind of like a dark gray shaded area and then there's a table as well that 151 00:15:56,460 --> 00:16:05,720 that explains at each elevation stage the amount of volume that we're filling and then the amount of volume that we're creating. 152 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:17,060 So you can see that we're actually, it's a net total increase in flood storage that we're proposing. 153 00:16:18,340 --> 00:16:35,100 So the other part of the grading and storm water plan here is there is some minor increases in impervious coverage, some new impervious area that we create through our foundations for the equipment. 154 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:39,240 And so we have to follow the storm water standards for that. 155 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:44,540 And that's what that infiltration basin is for. 156 00:16:45,980 --> 00:17:02,740 just due to the way of the terrain out here in the sub station yard, we ended up choosing to put the infiltration basin in a location where it would actually capture the runoff from the adjacent parking lot. 157 00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:12,060 But that's on national grids property so that we are effectively infiltrating and managing 158 00:17:12,990 --> 00:17:20,100 a much larger area of pavement than what we're actually creating. 159 00:17:21,150 --> 00:17:25,240 So that's why that basin is where it is. 160 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,300 It 161 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:36,080 was fairly straightforward. It's not a big watershed or a really a large 162 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,140 change in land use or impervious coverage. 163 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:47,740 Is there any questions that you 164 00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:49,120 all had about the storm water? 165 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:50,880 I have one or two. 166 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:57,580 Then the tracing is just what popped into it and tank, or just a system of... 167 00:17:57,580 --> 00:17:59,220 It's just a surface basin. 168 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:00,400 Just a basin? 169 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:00,900 Yes. 170 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:07,420 Yeah, it's a surface base and there's so we're digging down a little bit and burming up on one side 171 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,160 And that's gonna collect storm water from 172 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:17,740 Like a lot. It's correct. Okay, and where's the storm want to go on that current pad? 173 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,320 It drains off the edges into the flood plain and the wetlands 174 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:27,040 Okay, as your oil filled transformers on there 175 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,500 Yes, there are and how you contain the oil 176 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:36,180 though so there's a there's an oil containment system around the transformers. 177 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:47,180 It's a I'll call it an engineered system and it has a special kind of liner that allows 178 00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:55,920 clean water to drain out into the ground. And when there's oil and the water and the event of a spill, 179 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:03,880 That liner kind of solidifies, and it doesn't allow any drainage out into the ground. 180 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:08,580 So this is around the perimeter of the existing concrete pad? 181 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,120 No, that is for the new transformer that's going in. 182 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:20,520 Okay, so how does the existing equipment have transformers and oil and a system of collective? 183 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:30,560 the existing system, I believe, is getting replaced as well. 184 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,200 Okay. I guess the bottom question I have, how you containing oil filled 185 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,420 transformers? Is it not existing now and is it new? What are you proposing to do 186 00:19:41,420 --> 00:19:47,060 that with? How to do that? So I know that the new 187 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:55,060 transformer has that system, um, the existing transformer that's out there. I believe we're 188 00:19:55,060 --> 00:20:01,860 proposing the same system around it. So when it rains, this water, the rain water goes in there 189 00:20:01,860 --> 00:20:10,300 and it is oil, it goes on top of the water. And then it goes where? It doesn't drain out it. So it 190 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:15,780 stays there and the alarm goes off to national grid. So they know there's a spill and they have to come 191 00:20:15,780 --> 00:20:18,360 out and pump out the oil and dispose of it. 192 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:18,600 Okay. 193 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:26,400 So if the major rainstorm thing fills up the water, oil sits on top and runs out over 194 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,220 the pad into the wetlands? 195 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:28,940 No. 196 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,600 No, it's sized. 197 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:38,340 The volume that it can hold is, I believe it's more than 100-year storm depth. 198 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,760 Can it hold the rain water from a 25-year storm? 199 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:44,720 Yes. 200 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:52,780 about seven inches of water. Yes. You have some information on that system that we can look at. 201 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:57,720 I don't have it with me but yeah there are calculations that go along with that. 202 00:20:59,060 --> 00:21:04,820 Myself and I believe the war in the conservation part I want to see how you're doing that. 203 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,060 And more information on how it works. Okay. 204 00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:14,160 I think it's something important. 205 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:17,160 Very much so, drawing. 206 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:20,520 What's the closest that any of this is going to come to the walls? 207 00:21:22,660 --> 00:21:25,260 How do you mean the closest, like the... 208 00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:26,140 Can I give it in the buffers? 209 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,120 You wanted food to set back for the... 210 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:30,600 Yeah, so... 211 00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:34,380 In our drawings, you can see the edge of the wetland. 212 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:36,860 I know, but it doesn't have any dimension on it. 213 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:44,660 So we're basically where that compensatory storage is, we're going up to the edge of the 214 00:21:44,660 --> 00:21:45,020 wetland. 215 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,680 You're going right up to the edge? 216 00:21:47,980 --> 00:21:48,180 Correct. 217 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,700 With the grating, the station is not within the wetland. 218 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:00,140 Yes. 219 00:22:00,140 --> 00:22:02,100 In terms of the flag of wetland, yes. 220 00:22:04,650 --> 00:22:07,930 In terms of there's a 200 foot setback from the river. 221 00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:08,570 Yes. 222 00:22:09,250 --> 00:22:09,510 Sorry. 223 00:22:09,670 --> 00:22:11,910 Courier, it's been a national great environmental licensing impermanent. 224 00:22:11,910 --> 00:22:18,670 We have a notice intent in front of the public information right now for the impacts to the 225 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:23,750 100 year flood plan and the buffer zone. We state all of this work stays outside of the 200 226 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:28,650 footprint area, but the existing substation is already within the buffer zone. Additional 227 00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:35,370 impacts are minimal from the expansion and the compensatory mitigation. As we grade up to the edge, 228 00:22:35,370 --> 00:22:40,050 but that's all going to be registered and restored. 229 00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:41,770 It's also endangered species habitat, 230 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:44,190 so we've got some pretty strict requirements 231 00:22:44,190 --> 00:22:46,710 for making sure that that remains available 232 00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:48,130 as the New Jersey needs to have that. 233 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:51,410 So everything outside of the fence will be restored 234 00:22:51,410 --> 00:22:55,110 to habitat value and needs from our standards, 235 00:22:55,650 --> 00:23:00,350 that concern mitigation, and registered to restore the offer. 236 00:23:00,670 --> 00:23:01,090 Okay. 237 00:23:01,570 --> 00:23:03,650 Have you presented this to conservation yet? 238 00:23:03,650 --> 00:23:07,930 Yeah. We did last week. We didn't have a DEP number assigned, so it got continued to 239 00:23:07,930 --> 00:23:11,510 next week. Can we have gotten a DEP number now? We also have a couple of comments from 240 00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:16,610 DEP. We need to address nothing. Nothing too substantial that we won't be able to discuss 241 00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:21,390 with the commission next week. Okay, and then I'm on there also. Oh, okay. 242 00:23:21,490 --> 00:23:28,690 Any information on how this container system works at the same time? Sure. I'm sure we're 243 00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:30,690 You know, that's the same question. 244 00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:35,410 Yes, and Matteo did come up to talk more about that, I think. 245 00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:35,950 Okay. 246 00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:39,710 I can speak to the Versailles Audit Fashion Board as well. 247 00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:41,350 I can speak to the entertainment system. 248 00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:42,830 It's existing on the transformer. 249 00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:44,850 Okay, does he need to speak into the mic? 250 00:23:45,210 --> 00:23:45,890 Yes, please. 251 00:23:46,450 --> 00:23:46,730 Sorry. 252 00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:56,610 I just wanted to touch base on the existing transformers. 253 00:23:57,530 --> 00:23:58,330 Versailles Audit. 254 00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:04,690 The existing transformer was built with a different containment system. 255 00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:13,630 It is still a valid containment system that we can drain the oil from without the water, without the oil leaving the containment system. 256 00:24:13,770 --> 00:24:15,470 We do have drawings we can provide for. 257 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:21,290 And then the new transformer has a different standard than we have to call, so. 258 00:24:21,290 --> 00:24:21,350 No. 259 00:24:21,850 --> 00:24:22,530 That's how. 260 00:24:23,050 --> 00:24:23,730 I'm sorry? 261 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:24,230 Oh, different. 262 00:24:24,490 --> 00:24:25,390 How would that be? 263 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:32,070 The old system is a liner and a soil system, so we line the base of that. 264 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:39,390 The concrete foundation gets lined with a soil, then a liner, and that's how we used to 265 00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:39,910 contain it. 266 00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:42,050 There's a specific system we use now. 267 00:24:42,270 --> 00:24:48,930 It's based on the same principle, except that we, the seams are different when you join 268 00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:49,130 them. 269 00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:55,350 So, are you going to inspect the old one at the same time? 270 00:24:55,830 --> 00:25:04,610 The problem with us taking the old transformer offline to do that, it's a lot more intensive 271 00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:06,210 than what we had planned. 272 00:25:07,670 --> 00:25:12,730 Once we do have a couple of structures adjacent to that transformer, once we open that up and 273 00:25:12,730 --> 00:25:19,250 And we change those structures, we're going to reinforce that liner and inspect it in turn. 274 00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:19,790 Okay. 275 00:25:22,180 --> 00:25:24,060 So it's not a complete concrete pad. 276 00:25:24,260 --> 00:25:29,880 There's basically holes underneath the transformers that Earth is there, that we just said. 277 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:36,900 It's a, it's a, I don't remember the specific liner. 278 00:25:36,900 --> 00:26:00,280 It's a rubber lily that sits underneath, it cups the concrete and rises up and contains the volume of, I think, it's like 125% of the volume of oil in the transformer, and it will hold everything and contain the oil based off of the calculations. 279 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,260 I guess I need to see more detail because we can provide the detail. 280 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,880 I think it's part of 100% plus probably 25-year range storm, which could be seven inches. 281 00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:13,360 This is spread out and it's only six inches deep. 282 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,860 Your range is going to fill it up and your oil is going over the edge. 283 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,700 So I need more information on how it works. 284 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:24,880 We understand we're following the code precisely based on what's required and we can provide 285 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,380 the information. 286 00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:39,550 So 287 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,900 the big catch space in areas basically to make up floodplain 288 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:51,760 oil, the one in the back part, the shaded area. 289 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,260 Yeah, that's correct. 290 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,600 Okay, it's not for the loading pad. 291 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:56,980 It's not for the driveway. 292 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,740 Yeah, that's just purely creating floodplain. 293 00:27:00,860 --> 00:27:02,120 Make up floodplain oil. 294 00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:02,600 Correct. 295 00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:05,340 Because you're filling in with a little expansion area. 296 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:05,860 Correct. 297 00:27:05,860 --> 00:27:14,780 And the detention system will be a design for us to look at and how it's getting there and where it's going. 298 00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:18,180 Yes, detention there is a retention. 299 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:25,900 It is so it retains smaller storms and then larger storms will flow out of it. 300 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,700 Okay, so it's detention retention then out it goes. 301 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:31,360 Correct. 302 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:41,080 the way. It overflows into that area just adjacent to it and then it drains to the west 303 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,780 towards the river. Just overlay and flow. 304 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:49,200 All right, and the existing parking lots being regraded, so it's all pitched to that. 305 00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:56,780 No, catch basins or what's how? It drains there now. We're just kind of getting in between it and the 306 00:27:56,780 --> 00:28:02,440 wetland, so that's why we located the basin where it is. 307 00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:07,380 So we'll see some drawings of all that grids and details and how it's being built. 308 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:13,500 That's all included in this plan set and there was a stormwater report as well with the calculations. 309 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,840 Oh, just look at this. So we have a package here of drawings. 310 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,480 Correct. I didn't get that far. 311 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:25,540 Mr. Chair, there's the grading and drainage plan in the plan set. 312 00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:28,560 Maybe you can go to that. 313 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,560 There's a grading and graded plan. 314 00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:38,300 There's a cross section of the site where we're going to have drawings. 315 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:43,140 And then there's some details as well. 316 00:28:48,530 --> 00:28:49,450 Yeah, this is. 317 00:28:53,670 --> 00:28:59,750 But I can pull drawings from my computer to access to those. 318 00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:01,370 So I 319 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:11,430 plan, general notes, 320 00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:19,520 reading and drainage plan, that's what I want to get. 321 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:20,340 Yes. 322 00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:22,500 Yeah, it's right here on the screen as well. 323 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,660 Do you want me to zoom in? 324 00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:28,070 It's a bit better for the eyes. 325 00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:32,030 I can see. 326 00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:37,700 We just have to get one size back. 327 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,520 There's just a bit more. 328 00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:41,700 Okay. 329 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:45,580 Generally, you guys look at these already. 330 00:29:56,170 --> 00:29:59,710 I apologize. I hadn't seen this so much. I was asking questions. 331 00:30:02,980 --> 00:30:06,000 That's fine. I see a spillway. 332 00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:24,820 Yes, we have a, there's a stone, local berm, that's kind of our four bay pre-treatment, and then there's a, it's actually a turf reinforcement mat for the spillway. 333 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:36,060 So right now, all that grade goes right where you show that little, the right hand side is drawing with the right, the right of the fill. 334 00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:41,780 built a berm. Stone berm is where the water is naturally flowing current right now. 335 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:48,800 Right. Yeah. It basically, um, the runoff from that parking lot enters the basin in like the 336 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,460 northeast corner. Mm-hmm. 337 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,640 And you're building up the berm at a 637 elevation, so it gets in there. 338 00:30:59,120 --> 00:30:59,340 Correct. 339 00:31:09,050 --> 00:31:12,090 So basically it's going to run through there, run through the stone, 340 00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:16,610 I don't feel the berm, if the heavy storm is just going to right out the spillway. 341 00:31:16,990 --> 00:31:18,310 Correct, it's going out. 342 00:31:18,910 --> 00:31:19,430 Exactly. 343 00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:24,110 The smallest storms will sit in there and soak in. 344 00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:25,190 Emphaltrate, correct. 345 00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:29,630 Do we know how pervious that ground is that doesn't matter? 346 00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:38,930 Yes, in the stormwater report, there's a lot of soil data with, I think they dug some test pits and did infiltration testing. 347 00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:46,710 found the seasonal high water elevation classified the soils so it's all it's 348 00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:52,930 all sized based on that investigation so it has groundwater levels their current 349 00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:58,490 or that non the high groundwater high groundwater levels in that report yeah they 350 00:31:58,490 --> 00:32:07,310 determine those you know I have an idea after it's 636 I can 351 00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:17,420 pull the report 352 00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:21,700 board off my computer to confirm, but just the information be nice to have. 353 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:31,560 I know, I know it was generally right around the elevation of the wetlands, which is, I think that was like 631. 354 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,580 So it says. 355 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,140 And we're up around 635. 356 00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:41,290 635s were overflows. 357 00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:46,330 No, the water is, is it a foot below grade, or is it five feet below grade? 358 00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:51,330 It's, I think it's more than that, even. 359 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:58,750 Well, I'm going to look at how much volume is available in the earth before it hits groundwater, because that's not going to go away. 360 00:32:59,410 --> 00:33:06,270 The groundwater is, it's at least two feet, seasonal high water is at least two feet below the bottom of the basin. 361 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,800 So it's not going to fill up for the groundwater. 362 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:11,980 one. 363 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,700 So any drawings show anything on the transformers that are there and how the oil 364 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,520 spill would go wherever it goes. 365 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,680 Not in the set of drawings now. We 366 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,320 have breeding cross 367 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,940 sections and we have something on that. 368 00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:03,940 I followed it. I didn't get a chance to look at before 369 00:34:32,350 --> 00:34:38,890 What do we get these in August, I believe? 370 00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:40,810 They were sent to us. 371 00:34:41,250 --> 00:34:47,670 Yeah, they've been on the website since we got the application. 372 00:34:47,670 --> 00:34:49,730 The motion, resolution, 373 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,320 settlement, drawing. 374 00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:12,660 We can do that. 375 00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:18,650 Yes, they'll bring this one to the consultation. 376 00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:41,690 When you guys plan on slotting this project yesterday, last month? 377 00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:44,130 Pretty much yesterday, Mr. Chair. 378 00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:52,390 This is bringing this project is among a number of other projects. 379 00:35:52,390 --> 00:36:03,910 this order known as a EP order 2075, so the suite of projects that are all looking to commence within months. 380 00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:09,710 The last slide, if we go back to the slide deck, gives a schedule with respect to the work. 381 00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:14,670 We're looking to get permits in hand including these permits. 382 00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:18,190 We also need to, as was mentioned before the Conservation Commission. 383 00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:22,870 And in addition to that, we also have a hearing scheduled with the ZBA. 384 00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:28,950 So we're looking to wrap all of that up within the coming months. 385 00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:35,970 So fall of this year, construction commencement, we're looking to commence towards the end of the calendar year. 386 00:36:36,830 --> 00:36:45,870 But of course, a lot of a lot needs to happen with these unique types of projects in advance of actual commencement. 387 00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:50,950 So we're really hoping to get our discretionary permits in hand as soon as possible. 388 00:37:01,850 --> 00:37:05,510 This moment, no one else on the board has questions or open up to the public. 389 00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:07,290 Okay, board. 390 00:37:11,350 --> 00:37:12,510 Anybody in the room? 391 00:37:13,170 --> 00:37:14,130 Any comments on this? 392 00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:15,790 Any questions? 393 00:37:18,810 --> 00:37:19,590 I need to say it. 394 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:20,070 It helps. 395 00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:20,910 Okay. 396 00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:27,650 Matt, the folks you've paused right, I just, if I go in the wrong direction, please redirect 397 00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:34,070 But last time in the July 28 poll project you guys were involved with that correct and that has 398 00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:35,890 Relevant in this project 399 00:37:37,850 --> 00:37:38,310 Yes 400 00:37:40,450 --> 00:37:45,630 That wasn't an on media. I wasn't no no it was in a different meeting but the poll project has 401 00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:52,130 Some significance in this project is that correct? Yeah, Mr. Chair. Can I just ask what what address are you? 402 00:37:52,130 --> 00:38:00,230 7 Paul's got 7 Paul's for a drive. Yeah, are you in a butter to the substation? I'm not I'm a 20-year suspension resident. Okay 403 00:38:01,890 --> 00:38:05,830 And you'll understand the reason I'm asking the question you you answered the question 404 00:38:05,830 --> 00:38:10,170 I was going to ask yeah, because at that meeting and you'll understand why I'm asking at that meeting 405 00:38:11,230 --> 00:38:16,790 I'm not sure if the minutes were published recently, but the last time I checked for the meeting minutes on that date 406 00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:21,410 They were not published. So that's why I'm asking the question this time 407 00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:26,870 It was stated that the sub-station had not been updated since 1998. 408 00:38:27,850 --> 00:38:31,650 And you basically had a front, whether it's 98, 95 or whatever. 409 00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:34,110 And you'll understand my curiosity. 410 00:38:34,410 --> 00:38:43,630 I was on the solar by-law committee and I'm kind of curious because I believe the McCormick Road solar project was brought to that substation. 411 00:38:44,050 --> 00:38:51,690 And my concern is the substation didn't have to be updated when they plugged in the power from the McCormick Road. 412 00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:58,210 Shola, Mr. Chair, I'm not, I'm at a loss with what, is this an active project that's happening in the town? 413 00:38:58,730 --> 00:39:03,070 No, it's like, it's done, but it's deleted. 414 00:39:03,450 --> 00:39:09,490 It was routed down to the substation, and I'm just kind of curious if you said 90, in the 90s, it hasn't been updated. 415 00:39:09,850 --> 00:39:16,950 It's surprised, I'm curious because it surprised me that if you put something like that into it, that surprises me. 416 00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:17,690 So it's just a curiosity. 417 00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:21,090 Yes, so Joanne Rose also a national group. 418 00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:22,790 Thank you. 419 00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:25,210 So I'll answer that in the general terms. 420 00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:28,910 So when we build substations, there's generally excess capacity available. 421 00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:33,710 So if the substation applies to us to interconnection, there's that capacity available. 422 00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:36,410 There would not have been a need to update the substation. 423 00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:36,970 Okay. 424 00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:39,810 Now the substations act capacity, so we need to do something. 425 00:39:40,030 --> 00:39:44,430 Okay, and the reason I'm asking is just for a million areas, I was on the sole of by-law 426 00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:50,150 committee to improve things and when they ran that down they said they ran that down and has been updated since 98. 427 00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:59,030 You know, but the flag wouldn't be to say geez you plug it all that in and there's no updates on technology and so far so I was concerned with that. 428 00:39:59,170 --> 00:40:06,450 I usually build in a question okay and we're we then we're into that Christian so we need to okay thank you for clarifying that. 429 00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:13,970 I hope you understand why I ask you okay I want to thank the board for asking relevant questions that I think help protect 430 00:40:14,610 --> 00:40:37,650 A lot of the stuff I don't know anything about, I'm a resident, I just like to know what's going on in town, and I'm curious about the issues, and I'll just make one comment in regards to this project, and you guys know it, the town only has two wells, and one of them is in the back, so I'm sure you know what I just want to point that out, and if you guys want to know it, that you know, so thank you, thank you for your attention. 431 00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:49,840 We added a feeder a couple of years ago to the substation to do a feeder that connects 432 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,740 to the town of Spencer several years ago. 433 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,960 There have been upgrades of, sorry, the substations here, national grid. 434 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:01,400 So, what's your name? 435 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,300 Mattel. 436 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:02,800 Mattel. 437 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,420 That's it. 438 00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:04,720 Okay. 439 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:05,460 Yeah. 440 00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:08,740 Anyone else in a room? 441 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,140 Have any questions in this project? 442 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,260 Anybody online? 443 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:13,920 Have any questions or comments? 444 00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:31,410 Obviously you have to go to Conservation Next. 445 00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:41,150 So I think we should continue this for this next meeting and the meantime, get me information, 446 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:49,110 our information on how the transformer oils are like this and where they go and how it's done 447 00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:54,950 so that we can feel comfortable that the oil is not going to end up in the wetlands or the 448 00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:56,470 tongue well and 449 00:41:58,870 --> 00:42:02,650 that's good information to have help us make a decision and make sure you guys 450 00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:09,070 do what you need to do so that you are containing the oil it has that I see there and 451 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:11,600 I'll have more 452 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,400 I don't know what time to look at these, 453 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,840 that makes sense. 454 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:18,140 I don't know why everything done today, everybody does. 455 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,860 But we are hopeful that this would be done this evening. 456 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,840 This is a pretty straightforward project. 457 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,120 The equipment we're talking about is replacement equipment. 458 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:43,600 The transformer containment system, whatever exists not there today is where it's going to be replaced with is in accordance with National Electric Safety Code. 459 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:50,400 and exists in the thousands upon thousands of unmanned substations throughout the Commonwealth. 460 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,600 The system even show us. 461 00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:56,580 Yes, we can show you. 462 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,720 All right, that's what I'd like to see, see how it works on 463 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,820 a way else I may. 464 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,360 I think that of the project, it is pretty straightforward. 465 00:43:07,820 --> 00:43:12,120 I don't think major problems, other than that potential contamination problem. 466 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:32,800 I mean, basically, it was, we certainly could provide the information, and we will, it was explained by both of our engineers that it's a containment system that provides containment with respect to the oil plus capacity in terms of, as you mentioned, if there's 100 year. 467 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:39,520 My back storm, the petroleum business of the 30 something is the containment systems and everything. 468 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,560 So I want to see something I know works. 469 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,160 So if it's a great system and I'm sure it is, I just want to see it. 470 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,140 And you get old equipment there that's being replaced with new. 471 00:43:54,820 --> 00:43:59,780 I don't even know if the old stuff is reasonably safe the way it is. 472 00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:02,480 We do, you know, it's put in there so it doesn't have an accident. 473 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,440 They have an anti-axonist, that's good. 474 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,460 I just think some shop drawing would be good. 475 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,600 We certainly have those. 476 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,760 Had we known we would have brought that with us today. 477 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,220 Basically it's a drawing that shows exactly what was described here. 478 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:29,980 I do have one question. 479 00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:34,480 So the existing that you have, when you guys start to replace that, 480 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:40,160 Is there going to be any major disruption to the system that you have underneath? 481 00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:45,260 I just want to kind of understand what the potentials are as you're changing these. 482 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:47,560 What could happen to the existing system? 483 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,280 I know that somebody had mentioned you guys better inspect it, but will it disrupt anything 484 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,420 when you guys are doing that? 485 00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:56,480 When you say system, are you talking about the transfer place? 486 00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,780 Is it the container? 487 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,680 It's just a great containment system. Will it, will it, the oil containment system? Will it do to disrupt anything? 488 00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:29,870 It shouldn't. It's a, it's a below grade system. So if, if they did, after, you know, maybe you like add a conduit or something like that, they would, they would do it and repair the liner as part of that work. Okay. 489 00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:30,830 To 490 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:50,380 the chair or and or Vivian when is the next available planning board meeting October 20th so that's going to be one week after the ZBA hearing that you guys will be at okay. 491 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,640 Is there an application after us? 492 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:04,540 I mean we have computers we can we can try to pull up those oil containment drawings Mr. Chair we could we could show you right now. 493 00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:09,000 We can get access to our files, we can show you right now. 494 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:12,320 When we need time to look at them, I'm not going to do it on a spot. 495 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,180 I agree. 496 00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:17,460 Most of the stuff they have submitted, like you did in August, that was great. 497 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,180 Fortunately, I didn't know it was there. 498 00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:22,660 So I need some time to look at it. 499 00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:26,360 Okay. 500 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:33,460 Vivian, you said October 20th? 501 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,680 October 20th? 502 00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:39,260 Yeah. 503 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,400 You could just sign the continuous form before you. 504 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:42,620 Of course. 505 00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:44,160 Yep. 506 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:45,260 Take it easy. 507 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,940 You guys must go to other pounds with this type of information. 508 00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:51,820 You never bring them containment information. 509 00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:53,700 I'll show it to them at a time. 510 00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:55,300 Very rarely. 511 00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:55,900 Yes. 512 00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,040 Because it is, it is routine equipment. 513 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:01,780 Right. 514 00:47:01,780 --> 00:47:06,440 And it's, it's, it's, it's mineral oil to be, to be clear. 515 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:06,960 Yes. 516 00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:08,980 Well, oil is like, oil. 517 00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:13,600 but it's not, it's not like patrolling, not, right, not patrolling, yes. 518 00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:17,820 It's like a carousine, well not quite dead either, but how 519 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:22,370 long have the existing 520 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:25,850 transformers that are in there now, when did they go in? 521 00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:32,340 They want to know how long those are in there, the existing transformers? 522 00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:35,780 I don't have an exact answer how long the existing transformers are. 523 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:36,740 When did they get installed? 524 00:47:37,260 --> 00:47:38,440 Yeah, I don't have an answer in there. 525 00:47:38,580 --> 00:47:38,980 You don't know? 526 00:47:39,380 --> 00:47:39,400 No. 527 00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:42,120 They're not PCBs in there. 528 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:46,800 We don't know. 529 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,000 Well, yeah, what's in there besides the oil? 530 00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:56,880 There's a big issue with bees, with transformers a while back, depending on their age, they 531 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,220 could have those in the oil. 532 00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:02,860 That's also contaminated beside the middle oil. 533 00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:05,940 We can want to get an answer there and see what's going on. 534 00:48:06,020 --> 00:48:09,540 If there's more reason than there won't be in there, but if it's older, then it could be. 535 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,480 So that's going to be looked at when you remove them, they're not going to be spilling 536 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,800 on the oils. 537 00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:20,700 Yet we've made a concerted effort over time. 538 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,720 I can't speak today to these transformers 539 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,820 to remove the PCV transformers. 540 00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:27,940 So I'd be surprised if they were still there, 541 00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:29,020 but we'll verify the date. 542 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,360 Yeah, if we need to find out. 543 00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:30,520 Right. 544 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,480 The thing to know, there'll be extra caution. 545 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:34,000 Yes. 546 00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:34,900 OK. 547 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:35,880 Nothing for. 548 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:41,760 All right. 549 00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:44,880 So I think we'll look for a motion to continue. 550 00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:49,060 I'm going to continue this to 20. 551 00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:51,720 20th, what's going on? 552 00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:52,020 Yeah. 553 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:52,940 Second. 554 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,080 Second. 555 00:48:54,260 --> 00:48:54,680 My Charlie. 556 00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:55,640 Little Corvo. 557 00:48:58,180 --> 00:48:58,780 Charlie. 558 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:00,840 Hi. 559 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:01,560 Charlie. 560 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:02,440 Dina. 561 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:02,680 Hi. 562 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:03,320 Javelin. 563 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,940 Hi, Javelin. 564 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:06,560 Thank you. 565 00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:07,160 Thank you. 566 00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:09,440 The stuff to Vivian and she'll pass it on. 567 00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:17,000 Thank 568 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:33,620 you very 569 00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:44,620 much. 570 00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:47,200 I just have the continuance form. 571 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:47,680 Yes. 572 00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:49,280 Thank you. 573 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,100 Today's be nice. 574 00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:52,920 15th. 575 00:49:52,920 --> 00:50:02,860 I just wanted to use, I can't find my, I'll be buried in this pile. 576 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,200 George, OK, 577 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,120 moving on. 578 00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:21,760 Number five, discussion action 46 Greenville streets. 579 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,720 Don't want to pollution prevention plan. 580 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,120 So what do we have on that? 581 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:38,000 All right, so this was for the cell tower at 46 Greenville Street, that was approved last June in 2025. 582 00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:44,840 And one of the conditions on that decision required the stormwater pollution prevention plan to be submitted. 583 00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:53,180 The original plan that was sent to the board had a few errors in the lot size and lot disturbance. 584 00:50:53,180 --> 00:51:02,800 So they submitted a new one where they corrected those errors, and then it was sent to BSC for peer review. 585 00:51:03,220 --> 00:51:10,600 And Dominic from BSC didn't have any comments, aside from making sure that they attached the appendix, 586 00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:12,920 from the plan that was submitted originally. 587 00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:18,060 So I just asked them to send me a version that has the appendix. 588 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:28,340 And other than that, I added the email from Dominick to your packet because he didn't, we didn't get a formal peer review comment on that. 589 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,220 But that was just him saying that it looked good to go. 590 00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:44,480 So if the board finds it acceptable, we'll just need to make a finding that the stormwater pollution prevention plan satisfies that condition. 591 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,120 and then I can write up a memo for the building inspector. 592 00:51:49,610 --> 00:51:53,170 You said Dominic's comments are in here? 593 00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:56,090 Yeah, I put it next to your packet. 594 00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:57,510 This is an email. 595 00:51:57,990 --> 00:52:00,590 Yeah, here I have a copy too. 596 00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:02,650 I'm not going somewhere, but I'm going to see it. 597 00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:07,960 I'm Dominic. 598 00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:10,840 I 599 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:22,820 just have one question. 600 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,280 Do we need conservation to go on and inspect erosion controls? 601 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:26,580 So, 602 00:52:28,620 --> 00:52:37,120 that wasn't a requirement in the decision, but I think that it would be a good idea to ask them if they could add that to their inspections. 603 00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:42,300 Yeah, because that was good at that. 604 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,320 Yeah, and that one was right outside of conservation jurisdiction. 605 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,780 They had moved it, yeah, right to the edge of the buffer, so that would be good to have them go out. 606 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,760 So 607 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,720 we have to wait for conservation to do that thing? 608 00:53:06,220 --> 00:53:06,780 No. 609 00:53:07,460 --> 00:53:12,500 So we can say it's okay based on Dominic's review, the L.S. 610 00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:12,760 Yeah. 611 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,240 And that wasn't the final inspection. 612 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,660 That was just the inspection of the erosion controls before they start compression. 613 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,200 Thank you. 614 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,760 So yeah, I can talk to Sam, the conservation agent. 615 00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:32,600 She's not in until Monday, but I can ask her to add that to the conservation site visits once they have their erosion controls up. 616 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:45,680 So, what action we have to now just recommend to allotted to the building inspector? 617 00:53:46,220 --> 00:53:52,040 Make a motion that you find the stormwater pollution prevention plan acceptable. 618 00:53:52,040 --> 00:54:01,740 and that it satisfies condition number 31, yeah, condition number 31 from the decision. 619 00:54:02,340 --> 00:54:16,680 Okay, so it's all make a motion to approve the SPUGP, I'm 31 on the previous approval decision, that's it? 620 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,020 Okay. Second. 621 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:21,840 Second. 622 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,240 Roll call. 623 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,060 Gina? 624 00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:24,440 I. 625 00:54:24,660 --> 00:54:25,040 Trelli. 626 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:26,440 I. 627 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:26,520 I. 628 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:26,640 I. 629 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:26,680 I. 630 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,060 I. 631 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:27,780 I. 632 00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:33,610 I. 633 00:54:33,730 --> 00:54:33,790 I. 634 00:54:33,790 --> 00:54:33,910 I. 635 00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:33,930 I. 636 00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:33,970 I. 637 00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:34,070 I. 638 00:54:34,510 --> 00:54:34,790 I. 639 00:54:36,730 --> 00:54:36,910 I. 640 00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:45,710 Item 6 discussion, data center, a moratorium, and zoning by who's going to talk about that. 641 00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:55,110 Yeah, so this one, town council is working on preparing a moratorium, so once we have that, we'll have to do a formal public hearing with advertisement. 642 00:54:55,950 --> 00:55:04,470 So this is just, I just wanted to touch base with you all on this, but the Board of Selectmen would like to have a moratorium on data centers, 643 00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:07,710 on the all-town meeting warrant. 644 00:55:08,590 --> 00:55:12,810 And they've also asked that the planning board work on preparing a data center by law. 645 00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:18,510 So as part of the zoning by law review, we've asked the consultant to incorporate that into it. 646 00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:24,930 But for the moratorium, they're looking to put a hold on data centers. 647 00:55:25,450 --> 00:55:30,910 So that the town has time to prepare a by law because right now we have nothing in place that's regulating. 648 00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:40,110 data centers where they can be, how big they can be, so the moratorium will just give us time to make sure we're not caught unprepared. 649 00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:54,570 And related to this Governor Healy, I don't know if you've seen, but she just signed an executive order last week that requires proposed data centers to get local approval before they can get their state permits. 650 00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:57,070 That's very big. 651 00:55:57,610 --> 00:55:57,830 Yes. 652 00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:58,610 Yeah. 653 00:55:59,330 --> 00:56:00,170 Yes, it is. 654 00:56:00,670 --> 00:56:01,690 That's a political move. 655 00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:03,370 Yeah. 656 00:56:03,730 --> 00:56:04,050 Yeah. 657 00:56:04,510 --> 00:56:08,390 Nobody's ready for this, including the state government. 658 00:56:08,650 --> 00:56:10,630 Well, but, or anyway. 659 00:56:11,710 --> 00:56:13,050 I won't make any more comments. 660 00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:17,590 I think we, they have any recommended, 661 00:56:19,050 --> 00:56:21,670 as Hilly's office, have any recommended? 662 00:56:23,110 --> 00:56:30,090 Okay, yeah, they don't have any samples or recommendations, but there have been a few 663 00:56:30,090 --> 00:56:35,090 other towns that have already passed moratoriums, and then a lot of other ones that are exploring 664 00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:36,810 doing it right now. 665 00:56:37,210 --> 00:56:39,910 So we'll have some examples from other people to look at. 666 00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:41,870 We have the attorneys to that, so that's really- 667 00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:45,050 I meant any draft, you know, any recommended draft? 668 00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:46,410 No. 669 00:56:46,890 --> 00:56:47,310 Not yet. 670 00:56:47,310 --> 00:56:55,690 Yeah. Okay. I think I think we can get a moratorium in place. Definitely. 671 00:56:55,930 --> 00:57:01,710 Absolutely. We have enough time before Tommy and do this. Probably. Probably. 672 00:57:02,070 --> 00:57:07,410 Maybe a special meeting. Yeah. That's fine. Just for the public hearing. Yeah. Yeah. 673 00:57:08,110 --> 00:57:14,530 I should hopefully hope to strategy, right? By the end of the week, you have a moratorium 674 00:57:14,530 --> 00:57:20,790 language and we're drafting the warrant this week, so hopefully we can have it 675 00:57:20,790 --> 00:57:24,590 to you next week you can work it. If you can time it through your October 20th 676 00:57:24,590 --> 00:57:28,710 meeting, I don't know that's enough time. It should be enough time between men and 677 00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:32,790 town meeting 15 days. I'll have to check with town council how much time we need 678 00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:36,550 in between in publication days, so the sooner the better. 679 00:57:36,550 --> 00:57:36,770 Okay. 680 00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:37,730 I agree. 681 00:57:40,340 --> 00:57:42,740 Any other discussion on that topic? 682 00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:45,270 Okay. 683 00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:47,210 Next item is discussion. 684 00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:51,930 Point is owning bylaw a amendment steering committee member. 685 00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:54,010 Yes. 686 00:57:54,630 --> 00:58:00,930 So, um, we, the town has contracted with the firm community scale or the zoning bylaw review 687 00:58:00,930 --> 00:58:01,850 and update project. 688 00:58:02,410 --> 00:58:08,010 And to lead this project we're going to be assembling an ad hoc committee made up of representatives 689 00:58:08,010 --> 00:58:09,790 from the various boards and committees. 690 00:58:11,390 --> 00:58:18,450 So I was hoping that we could get a planning board member on there, where you're one of the boards that works closest with the zoning bylaws. 691 00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:29,530 So you all have some of the most experience with any issues in the permitting process, any suggested recommendations. 692 00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:37,870 And for the time commitment for this, they'll be meeting on an as needed basis once we get deliverables from the consultant. 693 00:58:40,510 --> 00:58:49,270 and then there's going to be two public meetings, that community scale is going to be leading, and the steering committee members would be encouraged to attend those meetings. 694 00:58:49,930 --> 00:59:00,710 The first one, I can talk about this more in my report, but we're looking to do a joint meeting on October 7th with the Planning Board Board of Selectmen, Zoning Board, and Conservation Commission. 695 00:59:01,010 --> 00:59:05,470 The question about that is if I would have volunteered, we have an EDC meeting that day. 696 00:59:05,470 --> 00:59:16,590 Yes, I was going to talk about this at our meeting tomorrow because we're meeting tomorrow. 697 00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:22,270 The next meeting if we keep doing the first Wednesday of the month would only be two weeks 698 00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:23,230 apart. 699 00:59:23,890 --> 00:59:35,450 So I was going to see if people wanted to reschedule the October meeting and then just have 700 00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:36,390 The zoning by-law review. 701 00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:38,070 Okay. 702 00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:40,030 We're talking October 703 00:59:42,270 --> 00:59:44,350 7th to have a meeting about what? 704 00:59:44,890 --> 00:59:48,110 The zoning by-law and subdivision regulation. 705 00:59:48,270 --> 00:59:49,670 That way, that week for a conference. 706 00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:57,630 Okay, I'll be sending out a link to you all tomorrow that Community Scale uploaded the zoning 707 00:59:57,630 --> 00:59:59,830 by law, subdivision regs, and the zoning, 708 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:21,260 I'm going to wrap into one online platform so that you can go through and highlight specific sections of the zoning by-law and leave comments. And then you can leave pinpoint comments on the zoning map, which I actually have it on my computer here so I can pull it up and just show you how to you can leave comments that way if you're not able to attend the meeting. 709 01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:30,860 So yeah, this is the website you can view the zoning by-law here. And then on the side you just click comment. 710 01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:36,180 And then you can type your comment, and then that's just going to go straight to the consulting team. 711 01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:42,020 And then the map is right 712 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:46,700 here. 713 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:55,220 So then you can click comment on a place, and then pick any location, and then add your comment there. 714 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,700 So I'll be sending that out to everyone tomorrow morning. 715 01:00:58,700 --> 01:00:59,080 And 716 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,760 then the second public meeting is still to be determined, but that will most likely 717 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,480 be after we get the first set of proposed changes from the consultants, and then we'll have 718 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,460 a meeting to get feedback from the community. 719 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,660 So I need a warm to. 720 01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:19,340 Yes. 721 01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:21,020 I'm warm to. 722 01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:25,220 I don't want to do it. 723 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:26,760 I don't have the time. 724 01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:30,980 Per appointment. 725 01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:35,060 I have too much of a workload. 726 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:36,200 I can't do it. 727 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:36,780 I can't. 728 01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:37,460 All right. 729 01:01:37,460 --> 01:01:38,120 All right, keep it over. 730 01:01:38,220 --> 01:01:40,100 I always had to give it to Vaughan because it wasn't him. 731 01:01:42,620 --> 01:01:44,880 Okay, good, thank you, Gina. 732 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,200 Thank you. 733 01:01:47,420 --> 01:01:49,860 Do you want me to bring up anything you want me to bring up, you know? 734 01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:50,940 Okay. 735 01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:58,320 I'll put it on the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 736 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,720 Okay, we'll sit on that now. 737 01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:03,400 Yes. 738 01:02:05,460 --> 01:02:11,180 Next item is a plan board revolving the count Thumbridge Press invoice approval. 739 01:02:12,420 --> 01:02:19,600 So we need to approve an invoice for $147 from the advertising. 740 01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:24,060 Yeah, I believe that was the national grid hearing that we just had. 741 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,080 Yeah, those are just the new leader advertisements. 742 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,720 So I have a motion to pay this bill. 743 01:02:34,060 --> 01:02:37,000 So moved to pay the Stonebridge press bill. 744 01:02:37,780 --> 01:02:38,620 The second tab. 745 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:44,740 All right, roll call, Gina, Charlie, Sally, Hi, Chiebalt, I got 746 01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:51,630 the boss. 747 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,500 General board discussion, board liaison reports, if I want to talk about anything. 748 01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:04,860 No, I have no news. 749 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:06,980 No. 750 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:07,580 No. 751 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:12,840 Okay. 752 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,360 I don't plan to report new business. 753 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,420 So the next meeting is going to be October 20th at 6 p.m. 754 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,940 We have the two William Casey applications that are continued and the National Great 755 01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:26,440 Application. 756 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,840 And aside from that we don't have any new applications, we might still get some A and R's by then. 757 01:03:34,420 --> 01:03:44,400 And then we do have the 2027 meeting schedule so if you want to sit down and I can send you 758 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:45,420 a digital copy as well. 759 01:03:45,420 --> 01:03:46,400 Or a Tuesday every month? 760 01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:47,420 Yes, yeah. 761 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,360 No changes to that third Tuesday of every month, that's 6 p.m. 762 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,220 I'm just making a note to send you all that tomorrow morning. 763 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,980 What time is the meeting for this set? 764 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,380 That's going to be at 6 p.m. 765 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,540 And then as we're talking about with the zoning bylaw review and update the joint meeting 766 01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:09,680 on October 7th. 767 01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:12,500 So yeah, that'll just be an opportunity to share your recommendations. 768 01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:19,980 questions. And I will send you a link to the website to comment on the zoning by-law. 769 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:27,060 And community scale is still in the process of looking over all of the town's previous 770 01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:33,380 planning documents like the master plan, the town center design guidelines. And they've 771 01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:38,320 also been looking through the planning board and zoning board minutes to see what kinds 772 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:43,200 of projects have been approved every single time to identify different uses that could be allowed 773 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:49,820 by right, or for example, the zoning board, if they're always approving a certain type of variance, 774 01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:55,740 if maybe we could allow that in the zoning bylaw. So we are making some study progress on that, 775 01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:01,020 and hopefully once we have the meeting on October 7th, we'll get a lot of good feedback from all the 776 01:05:01,020 --> 01:05:07,940 boards, and then we're going to be opening that up to public comment as well. And fall town meeting 777 01:05:07,940 --> 01:05:10,740 is November 5th at 7 p.m. 778 01:05:13,220 --> 01:05:17,760 And the Economic Development Committee is going to be meeting tomorrow at 6 p.m. 779 01:05:17,940 --> 01:05:21,000 They are currently working on surveying business owners. 780 01:05:22,140 --> 01:05:26,680 We've only gotten a few responses so far, but we're trying to get some more. 781 01:05:28,140 --> 01:05:36,740 And the survey we're hoping that we can get some responses so that we can use it in the zoning bylaw review 782 01:05:36,740 --> 01:05:43,560 do and see if business owners have any, if there are any regulatory requirements that 783 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:49,060 were making it more difficult for them to open their business in Spencer. 784 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:59,280 And they've also been working on creating some ideas for welcome signs for Spencer, which 785 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,520 has been exciting. 786 01:06:00,780 --> 01:06:02,160 So we're going to be talking about that tomorrow. 787 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:08,460 No official plan, we're just trying to get the ball rolling on getting some more signage. 788 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,100 And for MVP 2.0, we're in the community engagement step of the process. 789 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:23,920 So the core team, as they call it, is going to launch a different community events over 790 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:24,720 the next two months. 791 01:06:24,780 --> 01:06:29,060 And we're going to try to talk to as many people as possible about their experiences living 792 01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:34,900 in Spencer and how they've been impacted by severe weather events, like droughts, 793 01:06:34,940 --> 01:06:37,860 extreme heat, severe storms, and storm, 794 01:06:40,460 --> 01:06:47,640 yeah, so we're still working on that, but we're 795 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:54,980 about halfway through the MVP process, which is exciting. And aside from that, that concludes 796 01:06:54,980 --> 01:06:55,500 my report. 797 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,220 I just have one question about community scale. 798 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,840 Are they also going to be looking at the subdivision regulation? 799 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,280 Yes, I was asked. 800 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,720 Yeah, sorry, sometimes I drop that from when I'm explaining it just because it's so wordy. 801 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,440 But yes, so that website has the zoning by-law, the subdivision regs, and the zoning map. 802 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:23,620 Is there something to state put out or you've someone put out about the bill houses on logs that aren't meeting zoning by-law? 803 01:07:23,620 --> 01:07:24,680 Complexes or something? 804 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:24,960 Yes. 805 01:07:26,540 --> 01:07:32,180 They, so the state just amended the variance requirements for 806 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,820 MGL, chapter 40, 807 01:07:39,140 --> 01:07:40,700 or the A section. 808 01:07:41,020 --> 01:07:42,040 No need to know, it's just powerful. 809 01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:44,380 Yeah, the variance standards. 810 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:50,940 So they changed it so that resident, you can, sorry, 811 01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,540 I'm just trying to, there were a lot of big changes in that one. 812 01:07:54,900 --> 01:08:02,000 It was the allow residential use variances, so. 813 01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:04,940 It's not like you didn't have to mess with the acreage, 814 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,120 you just had to meet the sub-backs. 815 01:08:06,540 --> 01:08:07,500 Yes, yes, sorry. 816 01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:11,460 So, yeah, one of the standards they changed was that 817 01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:21,920 frontage, lot area, and lot coverage were no longer 818 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:26,640 that it required variance if there was a existing non-conforming structure. 819 01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:28,480 That was being altered or extended. 820 01:08:29,260 --> 01:08:32,540 So they used to need a variance if they were doing that, but now it's allowed by right. 821 01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:36,520 Can you recent the KP more? 822 01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:38,800 Yes, yeah, I can send that out to you again. 823 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,500 KP did a kind of a two-pager, I think that's a lot of time I was sorry. 824 01:08:42,820 --> 01:08:44,500 Yeah, so she'll send it back. 825 01:08:46,540 --> 01:08:48,620 Yeah, sorry, there were a lot of big changes in that one. 826 01:08:48,620 --> 01:08:50,960 So it's hard to summarize off the top of my head. 827 01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:51,520 All right. 828 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,600 And community skills, looking at all that legislation. 829 01:08:55,280 --> 01:09:00,180 Yes, so yeah, that's a big part of it is bringing the zoning by law up to the new state standards. 830 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:01,080 Okay. 831 01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:03,160 All set. 832 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:04,320 Good done? 833 01:09:04,460 --> 01:09:04,580 Yes. 834 01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:06,960 Next is citizen input. 835 01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:08,020 If I were here, I want to speak. 836 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,120 I met the folks who passed by. 837 01:09:13,140 --> 01:09:21,140 I just want to thank the board again for asking relevant questions of the applicants along the way with the intention of protecting the policy. 838 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,260 Appreciate it. 839 01:09:22,420 --> 01:09:22,740 Thank you. 840 01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:22,960 Okay. 841 01:09:23,620 --> 01:09:24,500 Anybody online? 842 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:25,320 Have any comments? 843 01:09:26,620 --> 01:09:27,100 Import. 844 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:28,300 Okay. 845 01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:30,700 We'll hold minutes. 846 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:33,360 Do you want to wait? 847 01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:34,920 You want to table these until fun? 848 01:09:38,420 --> 01:09:40,740 Yeah, because Gina, you weren't at the last meeting. 849 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:41,240 Yeah. 850 01:09:41,660 --> 01:09:42,580 We can do that. 851 01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:43,680 Okay. 852 01:09:43,900 --> 01:09:44,600 That's my motion. 853 01:09:45,140 --> 01:09:45,660 I think just. 854 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:46,640 Okay. 855 01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:49,300 We'll do the minutes up next meeting. 856 01:09:51,140 --> 01:09:51,780 All right. 857 01:09:52,900 --> 01:09:53,700 Shall we adjourn? 858 01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:55,260 Motion wager? 859 01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:56,080 Okay. 860 01:09:56,460 --> 01:09:56,860 All in favor? 861 01:09:57,180 --> 01:09:57,360 Aye. 862 01:09:57,580 --> 01:09:57,780 Aye.