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I call this workshop meeting of the Spring Branch Independent School District Board of Trustees, so order. Let the record show that the time is now six o'clock in a quorum of board members' present. This meeting has been duly called, and then noticed for this meeting has been posted in accordance with the Texas Open Meeting Act. Texas Government Code, chapter 551, 041. Dr. Blaine, do you have any opening remarks?

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I do have just a few short opening remarks, so we have two items on the agenda tonight,

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reports and discussion. We have a discussion of boundary recommendations and we also are

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going to discuss the budget. So I want to take a minute to touch on the budget. We've had several

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budget presentations as you all have known. This one will go a little bit more in depth into each

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line item and so that you all guys will be able to ask questions, but I just want to make note

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about the budget and what's looming on the horizon and want everybody to pay very close

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attention, as I know we all will, as to where we are headed.

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So we're grateful to the state.

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We did get many in this legislative session, but we noted there were strings attached to

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that.

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So we're grateful to have many for teacher raises.

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We always have always helpful, and there were some funds added for safety and security.

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Although those funds added, do not mirror cover all the cost that it takes to put an officer

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on every campus and provide all the things that we know that the chief is required to do for

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our school district.

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If you are at your house, you know, your utility bills are getting higher.

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If you happen to have a diesel car in your driveway, you know how much it costs to fill

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that up.

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So we have buses to fill up cars, so my point is the fixed costs.

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So like the gasoline that it takes to operate buses in the white fleet are maintenance costs.

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Our utilities, if you've listened to the city and how high the water bills are going.

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all of those things are beyond our control and those things will continue to rise and so as you

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listen to Miss Porter talk about the budget this evening and the situation that we find ourselves

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in along with our colleagues across the state and the deficit remember that 87% of our budget is

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personnel cost salaries and just about the rest of it sits in your fixed cost so there's very little

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and very little wiggle room left with what you have remaining in that budget so just wanted to set the stage for that as we think about budget and we think about that conversation.

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Thank you Dr. Blaine. The first item is public comment on agenda items.

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At board meetings, public comment time is set aside for individuals who wish to address the board.

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During special meetings workshops and retreats, comments regarding agenda items while regular meetings individuals can comment on both agenda and non-agenda items.

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Individuals who wish to participate during the portion of the meeting designated for public comment shall sign up by completing the appropriate form on the district website by submitting the form in person at the administration building or by sending an email with the district form as an attachment to the email address listed on the form.

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Public comment forms must be received no later than 12 p.m. noon on the day of the meeting and shall indicate the agenda item or topic on which they would like to address with the board.

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The length of public comment shall be at the discretion of the board president not to exceed four minutes.

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We will do three minutes today because individual rights are protected by various laws and board policies.

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Complaints regarding specific employees or students should be directed to the administration.

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If a person makes complaints about a specific employee or student during public comment,

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the board president has the discretion to move the board into closed session to hear such complaints.

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If anyone makes a complaint about a specific employee by name or by job title, the board may hold the public comment until the end of public comments and hear all such complaints individually in closed session.

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Under the law, the board cannot deliberate, discuss, or make a decision on any subject that is not on the agenda.

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So, as a general matter, the board does not respond to questions at public comment.

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Specific factual information or review of existing policy, however, may were legally

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allowed be provided in response to inquiries or questions.

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At this time, we will begin public comment, and our first speaker is Katherine Isherhol.

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Good evening, Dr. Blaine and Trustees.

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I'm Katherine Arcadee, Ister Holden, I reside at 5.10 Hally Drive.

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I'm here to address agenda topic 3A.

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I respectfully request that the trustees choose to not rezone a portion of bunker hill

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elementary to frostwood beginning with the 26th, 27th school year as was presented at

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the March 23rd beating.

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Simply swapping enrollment totals from bunker-held of frostwood does not address enrollment

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and capacity issues across the district.

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It simply transfers those issues from one school to another.

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Moving 55 students over from bunker-held of frostwood puts frostwood at a projected 18 students

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over its 750 student instructional capacity.

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The 2526 school year is the first year since the 2020-2021 school year where Froswit has

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been under instructional capacity.

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Froswit is no stranger to the challenges that enrollment exceeding instructional capacity

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can bring.

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Over the course of the last few years, we've used Froswit community-based funds to pay for

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supplemental staff, such as counselors and paras among other positions.

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We've repurposed our existing spaces like multi-purpose rooms to accommodate each school

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year's enrollment needs.

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These constant decisions allow for us to successfully navigate enrollment that exceeds

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instructional capacity over the majority of the last six school years.

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Following the presentation made during the March 23 meeting regarding rezoning, I respectfully

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asked the trustees to consider it if the following are thoroughly vetted during the research

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process.

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One, is each school visited to determine which spaces in that school are available to be repurposed

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to accommodate a temporary influx in enrollment totals.

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Two, how doographers determine incoming

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Kinder students is accurately as possible?

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As someone who attended a non-SBISD preschool,

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I can attest that we were not given information

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to enroll in SBISD for kindergarten,

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but had to rely on word of mouth or neighborhood

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social media channels.

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Three, when statements are made that no additional buses

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would be needed to be added in a rezoning proposals,

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do demographers verify with the transportation department

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And exactly how many students on each bus are serving as school.

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For example, many of the buses at service-rossway are almost a capacity.

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The March 23rd, rezoning plan stated there would be no changes to middle school or high school,

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just a change in elementary school.

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The presented plan does nothing to address.

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The fact that Memorial Middle is one of the most crowded schools in our district.

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rezoning should be done with the entirety of a student's kindergarten through 12th education

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in mind, rather than solely addressing a temporary influx in enrollment at one school for

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school year. We know that district is working with limited funds, which may be further decreased

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with upcoming years given the recently implemented school voucher program. As such, every effort

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needs to be made that all costs associated with rezoning such as staffing needs, transportation,

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and others are calculated as accurately as possible to see if rezoning is physically responsible.

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In light of the foregoing, I respectfully request that the Board of Trustees pass on rezoning

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portion of bunker hill to frostwood for the 2026-2027 school year.

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Thank you for your consideration of the request.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Next speaker is Kate champion.

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Good evening Board of Trustees. My name is Kate champion, and I live in the frostwood zone. Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight. I respectfully urge the Board not to resume students from bunker hill elementary to frostwood elementary, with fewer than 30 instructional days left in this school year. My main concern is capacity, specifically instructional capacity, not building occupants.

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We have heard that Frostwood's capacity is 950 students, but that number is the building's maximum occupancy.

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Not how many students the school can effectively educate.

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The district has, I believe, but would look to you all, confirmed the Frostwood's instructional capacity is 750 students

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after accounting for special education programming and other required services.

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This difference matters.

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The district's enrollment data shows

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broadswood often exceeds its instructional capacity.

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Over the last 10 years, average enrollment is about 767 students.

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Already above that capacity.

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Over the last 5 years, the average is about 795 students.

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over nearly 50 with enrollment peaking at 839 students.

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During these high enrollment years,

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Frostwood families raised funds for teaching aids

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and the school repurposed multi-purpose rooms as classrooms.

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One of which is still used as a classroom today.

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Even this year, our low enrollment is only 15 students

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below instructional capacity.

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This year is only one data point after nearly a decade of consistently being at or above instructional capacity.

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One or even two lower enrollment years do not show a clear trend.

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Resoning 55 plus students based on limited data would depart from the practices and the long range planning the sport is known for.

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Resoning has lasting effects on students, families, and campuses, and should be based on sustained trends,

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not short-term fluctuations, which could set a concerning precedent going forward.

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Lastly, this rezoning would introduce a new feeder pattern to Frostwood that has not been present before.

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For these reasons, I asked the Board to pause this proposal,

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evaluate capacity using instructional capacity,

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not the legal occupancy of the building.

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Consider aligning feeder patterns and consider long-term solutions

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that protect educational quality for all students.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Jamie Matthews.

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My name is Jamie Matthews and I live in Williamsburg Lane.

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I'm here to also talk about topic 3A.

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When the district first introduced boundary proposals at its November 3rd meeting, it confirmed

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Bucker Hill is the only elementary school in the district that is over enrolled.

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Current enrollment is 783 students.

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Capacity confirmed that that meeting was 753 students.

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Bucker Hill raised concerns then that the initial plan did not meaningfully address the capacity

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issues.

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We urge the district to develop a plan that would make a quicker and larger impact.

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The current proposal does just that.

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This is important today because Bunker Hill is not only over capacity now, but the district's

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data predicts that it will remain so for the next decade.

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So, how do we get here when the new school opened just four years ago?

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Historical enrollment numbers tell us that Bunker Hill has steadily increased in students from

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630 and 2019 to 783 today.

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There's an obvious explanation for this growth.

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Our boundaries include the I-10 corridor and its many new multi-family developments that have

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added numerous wonderful families to our community.

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Our community understood this trend when the school was built, and it pleaded for a larger school.

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But those pleas were disregarded then, and we now have a four-year-old building that cannot contain our enrollment.

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Much less accommodate our expected growth.

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The district prides itself for not often changing school boundaries.

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I respect that it takes these decisions seriously and knows that those decisions have lasting impacts on students and families.

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But so does not make changes when they are needed.

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We are out of creative solutions that we can do at the school level.

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It's now time for the district and the sport to meaningfully address Bunker Hill's capacity issues.

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Addressing the issue through the current proposals should not be controversial if one understands of circumstances at those schools.

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I was surprised with the last meeting when the district presentation emitted critical data such as available capacity, classroom numbers and predicted future enrollments.

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Had the district discuss that data, it could have explained the urgency of addressing

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bunker health capacity, while also a suasion concerns that this proposal was rushed and

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didn't take into account historical trends or projected enrollments.

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It could have explained that Frostwood's capacity is 950 as it is stated of student capacity

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on the bond documents.

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Or that Frostwood has room for 200 more students than they have today.

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Much more than the 55 us in need to be resumed.

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Or that even when the school had higher enrollment numbers in 23 and 24 that it still

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had room for 100 additional students with multiple classrooms available for growth.

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It could have stated that it's proposal was not a response to one low kindergarten class,

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but a small class that will be at school for the next five years, which tracks the demographers

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projections that there will be meaningfully declined enrollment at that school for the next five years.

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It could have pointed out that Bunker Hill is expected to be over capacity for 10 years that we don't have a single room that can be converted into a classroom because we've already filled all of our flex space.

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In November, Dr. Blincated that with respect to boundary changes, they try to be efficient with our resources and do what makes sense for the system.

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This proposal does that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Our next secret is Moira Lail.

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Good

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evening. My name is Moira Lail. I live on Duchess Court and I have students at Memorial

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Middle School in Bunker Health. I'm speaking also on agenda item 3a. I'm here to speak

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in support of the district's proposed boundary recommendation to adjust a boundary that

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will result in 55 students being resound from Bunker Health to Frostwood. My support is based

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on the size of the schools and the number of students who can be taught in actual classrooms

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at each school. According to the building plans that were approved by the Board of Trustees during

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of 2007 and the 2017 bond projects.

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I first won the acknowledge that we are very lucky.

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Just over a mile apart, there are two A-rated schools

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with beautiful buildings, fantastic teachers

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and administrators, which are available

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to serve all the children in our community.

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However, I would like to mention

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that Frostwood and Bunker Hills Kim.

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campuses were designed and utilized space differently, and each can accommodate a dramatically different number of students.

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Not going to talk about capacity, and we're going to talk about classrooms.

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Bunker Hill was built for 750 students with only 33 classrooms with 22 students in each

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of those 33 classrooms that equates to 726 students.

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When 3 units of special education students are added, Bunker Hill is at 742 and reaches

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just about that 715 number that the school was built for.

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Despite only having 33 classrooms, Bunker Hill has 35 units of K-35 classes, so two units

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don't have a classroom. To accommodate this, the fifth grade class is being taught in the only

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one collaboration room we have in the entire building and the first grade class is being taught

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in a music room. This leads bunker hell without any collaboration rooms without adequate

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teacher planning spaces and with only one music room. Music is currently taught in a special

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education room and the displaced special education students are receiving resource intervention

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and various places around the school, including a book storage room, hallways, and open spaces

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in the library.

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A bunker hill we are now exploring, putting up dividers in open spaces in the hallways and

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the library to cobble together instructional spaces for our students.

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While bunker health campuses want awards for architecture, there simply are not enough rooms

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to accommodate the growing number of students.

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Frostwood's approved building design includes 36 regular classrooms with 22 students in each classroom that equates to space for 792 students that can be taught in classrooms today.

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According to the bond approved building plans, Frostwood also has five collaboration rooms, three of which are full size classrooms.

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So, with 39 classrooms, with 22 students in each, no class over their capacity, that equates to 858 students who could be taught in regular-sized classrooms.

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I'm running out of room, but I'd like to say, as I urge you, to approve this proposal that will provide much needed relief to bunker hill,

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and will not create a burden for frostwood due to the number of classrooms they have.

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I'd also urge you to discuss an explanation of education.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Jenna Gibbons.

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Hi, my name is Jenna Gibbons and I live on Call of Sone Drive.

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I'm here to speak on topic 3A and express my support for this proposal.

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Since the 2019-2020 school year, Bunger Hill has grown by an average of 25 students per year.

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This growth is not surprising given the area our boundary serves.

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We have seen significant development along the I-10 corridor, both residential and commercial, including remodeling and construction of 12 multi-family developments, a hundred percent of those zone to VHE, with an additional development plan, this enrollment trend is not going to slow down.

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I grew up in this community and attended SBIC schools myself. I now have four children with my oldest currently in kindergarten.

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I should have another 10 years at BHE, but given the ongoing capacity challenges and no clear

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and insight, I cannot confidently say this is the best option for my family anymore.

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I'm also here in the same concerns about large class sizes for other families as well.

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It's difficult to accept this situation knowing there is available space that other schools bordering our zone.

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Hoping that enrollment simply balances the self out is not a strategy.

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We need a thoughtful proactive plan and I believe this proposal is exactly that.

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It is a strong and practical solution.

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This proposal addresses the issue in a way that can impact enrollment much faster than

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the previous proposal.

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It focuses on an area within the BHZone that has both higher student yield and higher mobility.

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When grandfathering is allowed, as I fully support that being an option, the most effective

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way to achieve near-term enrollment relief is to focus on areas where new families are

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moving in most frequently.

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These developments have higher mobility rates, and this should be a key factor if not the most

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important factor to focus on with coming up with solutions to alleviate our capacity issue

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in the short-term and long-term, and this proposal does exactly that.

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It also resounds students to school that has the capacity to absorb additional enrollment

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without creating new overcrowding issues.

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I'd also like to remind the board that in 2024, nodding him elementary faces similar capacity issue.

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Like BHE, it opened its brand new campus and was already at capacity.

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The board acted quickly, approving a rezoning plan in March of that same year.

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This focused on an area with higher mobility, multi-family development, re-assigning approximately 66 students.

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As a result, nottingham saw enrollment relief this year, which is the first year the proposal went into effect, and they are now below capacity.

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This is real local data within the same district showing that this type of rezoning works.

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We have the same need here, and we have a solution in front of us.

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If you are on the fence about this proposal, I implore you to visit Bunkerhill and visit the neighboring schools, compare the space of each

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At each campus, along with a number of students in each classroom, I'm confident and will quickly become clear to you that Bunger Hill does not have the capacity to

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Thank you. Our next speaker is Jennifer Dordy.

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I'm Jennifer Dordy, and I reside on South Durett, and I'm also here to speak on agenda topic 3A.

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I'm honored and privileged to raise children in Spring Branch, I see as I'm a proud graduate of Nonningham Elementary, Spring Forest Middle School, and Stafford High School.

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Midway through my time at Naughtingham, a boundary change

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resumed my sister and me from Naughtingham to MetaWid.

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My parents ultimately decided to keep my sister and me at Naughtingham,

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and we were grandfathered in.

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The remainder of our time at Naughtingham felt unsettled,

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kind of like we had a foot into different communities.

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Because even when boundary changes are thoughtfully considered,

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carefully planned and well executed,

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they still disrupt the lives of children,

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impact families and can fracture school communities, which is why I urge you to please

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not rush this decision. We have only 29 instructional days remaining in our

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school year, and when decisions of this magnitude are made under a time crunch,

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the risk of unintended consequences only increases. In November the

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conversation center around shifting students out of frostwood and now just a few

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months later we're talking about shifting students into Frostwood and this kind of reversal

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without transparent communication makes it incredibly difficult for families and school leaders

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to plan or feel confident in what's ahead. I would encourage you to pull back and take a broader

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more strategic view, looking across our region from Rommel Creek Elementary School to Memorial

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drive elementary school and first prioritize solutions that

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String thin feeder patterns from kindergarten through 12th grade. And second, let's focus on long-term

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sustainable outcomes rather than short-term one-year fixes. Let's not solve one school's challenges

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by shifting them on to another. Moving 55 students from Punker Hill to Frasward may relieve pressure in one

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but it risks recreating overcrowding at frostwood.

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Something we experienced as recently as 2022,

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2023 and 2024, with our enrollment in the 800s,

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but an instructional capacity of 750.

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I recognize this is complex work.

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I appreciate all the time and effort you are dedicating to it.

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I humbly ask that it be done with transparency,

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see, intention, and the time our community deserves.

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Thank you also much.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Sean Gambini.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak my name is Sean Gambini.

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My family lives in Springshadows.

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I am speaking on agenda item 3B.

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First I would like to ask the board

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how many other high schools have lost sponsors

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for athletic activities due to the budget cuts for next year.

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My guess is none of them.

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Well we did at our school and we lost one last year too.

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This past summer and June we enrolled our daughter on the north side. I had to move mountains to even locate the chair coach over the summer because nobody at the school even knew who she was because last year their chair sponsor was removed as well.

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I had to resort to messaging the coach on TikTok to try to get my daughter on the team because all of the information I was given was wrong.

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I will not speak on the events surrounding last year's chair coach, but I can't speak on the disappointment I have after all of the work I have done to support this year's chair coach.

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Our coach took this job at the end of last year alone.

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She started from zero and had to completely rebuild the morale of the team and the parents

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because of the loss of last year's coach.

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That's what happens when there's no continuity in a program.

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unnecessary conflict.

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It took months to recover from this which set us behind for the entire year.

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Last week we found out that our current coach's teaching position was eliminated.

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I was assured by a qualified person that this had nothing to do with the coach but was

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because of the budget cuts.

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I have been assured we will have a replacement and even an assistant chair coach this next year.

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But my question is if we didn't have the money to keep the one we have, how are we going to afford a new sponsor and an assistant?

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Before school began at our first chair meeting last year, I reluctantly accepted becoming the chair parent liaison.

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And I have done the best I can with this position, hours and hours of work to raise money for the girls and help our coach with no assistance.

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And when we didn't have the money we needed, I paid for it myself.

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How do you expect us to make a difference in these kids lives from nothing?

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When I look at the photos of the other schools, I see money, and I see people that

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and decision-makers that care about them.

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Well, what about us?

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Do we not pay high taxes on this side of the freeway so that our kids should have the same opportunities as those kids on the other side?

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The disparity in treatment is disgusting.

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We reused your uniforms that were so faded, they looked gray instead of black.

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These are children that deserve the same opportunities as all the others to thrive.

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You want to know why enrollment is down?

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I can tell you, it's because the new people moving into this community don't want their kids

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going to the north side schools because they don't have the proper support they deserve.

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The bond pass around the sports facilities, but what about the cheerleaders that support the sports?

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Because this school district's adults couldn't balance a budget, we are now losing the scraps that we've had and starting over again.

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Our school population is obviously much lower on the socioeconomic scale, but I refuse to let these kids be invisible.

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You want to be leaders of this district and do something and fix these budget problems in a way that doesn't affect our kids.

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My kid.

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Over the summer our kids attended chair camp and during the event they didn't even have ace bandages when our one of our kids was injured.

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I had to drive to college station to get them some.

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Now with this decision to eliminate our existing coach due to budget shortfalls,

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we may not even have a qualified coach to make sure our kids have a safe or even have a chair team next year.

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Without a qualified replacement, my fear is I have been promised more empty promises.

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Thank you.

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Our last speaker is Laura Pruitt.

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My name is Laura Pruitt.

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I live on 1, 2, 1, 1, 0, Perthure.

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I'm speaking on item 3A regarding the Bunker Hill Boundary recommendations.

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I have three children at Bunker Hill and a fourth in Pre-K.

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And I support the boards proposed boundary changes.

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Six years ago, during the planning phases of building our new school,

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The PTA, neighborhood committees, and teachers voiced our concerns that the plan building was not big enough.

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Multiple parties advocated for more classrooms. We were not heard.

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We were told again and again that this plan would afford our growing student body the space it needed.

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Unfortunately, here we are, less than four years after our new school opened its doors and we are over capacity with projections for the next decade to continue to be over capacity.

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Our concerns were not addressed six years ago, and we are overcrowded just as we feared.

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We come to you again asking to be heard.

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While the size of bunker hill has fallen short in meeting our students' needs,

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the size of frostwood far exceeds the current and projected need for their student body.

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The silver lining is that the solution is simple.

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There is, in fact, space in another new building at a wonderful school, only a mile away from bunker hill,

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that has more than enough space to accommodate the over abundance of students at Bunker Hill.

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Bunker Hill has only 33 classrooms for 783 children while Frostwood has six more full-size classrooms for only 733.

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We are squeezing our K-35 classes into our music room, special education rooms, instructional special rooms, we have no extra space.

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In our January bond meeting, Bob Templeton noted with a strong level of confidence, including

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the new high-rise plan for Memorial City, it is likely that the Bunker Hill student body

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grows to 830 and the next 3-4 years.

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This is happening quickly.

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It is important to change things now.

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Over the next decade, Frostwood's population will remain well below their capacity.

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Even with the luxurious addition of pre-K for next year, Frostwood's enrollment is projected

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to be only 713, and a school designed for 900.

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Frostwood has unused space, meanwhile, bunker hill is making plans for setting up dividers

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in our library and hallways for instructional space.

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Bunker Hill currently has 12 high-rise multi-family apartment buildings with more on the

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way.

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This many high-capacity dwellings is certainly a contributing factor in bunker hill's rise

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in student population, while other schools and SPIC in general has seen declining enrollment.

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Resoning, just four of these buildings to Frostwood is a more equitable distribution of multi-family dwellings.

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Appartment buildings have significantly higher mobility rates than single-family homes.

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A more equitable distribution of large apartment buildings across multiple...

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Multiple schools will better enable our SB ISD elementary schools to absorb the changes and enrollments.

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Thank you. The next item on the agenda is a discussion of the fiscal year 2027 budget.

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Sorry, guys, we got to have the discussion.

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The next item on the agenda is a discussion of the boundary recommendations, beginning with the 2026-2027 school year.

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So we've heard lots of impassioned please and there's not a person that has stood up tonight that has I had a great point.

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So thank you for coming and for saying what you needed to say and I want you to know that we take what you have to say to heart.

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As y'all know we've had a myriad of different scenarios over the course of the past couple of months and this is an easy solution.

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I think you heard one person say this is complex work and I wrote it down beside that it's a really good way to put this.

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But as we peel, peel back the layers, and we look district-wide and

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systemically, you all know, and we've talked about how we have schools that are

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growing, we have schools that are flat, and we have schools that are declining,

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and we have everything in between. Because we're land-locked, you guys know,

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our enrollment tends to Evan Flow and our schools, and we've seen that over time.

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But we definitely have schools that have continued to increase over time.

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When you couple this information and you look on the horizon specifically the impact of

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vouchers, we're not really sure how that's going to impact us.

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We've had, you could see it either way.

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You really just don't know.

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It's just really an unknown, but we know that it will impact us somehow.

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We're just not sure.

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So we're watching that and we're watching our enrollment from month to month change.

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Evan Flow, which is what we've always done.

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I've been here 25 years.

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I run an elementary school and I've seen enrollment go from 650 to 400 back up to 500 back up to 600 and back down again.

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This is what it does.

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So we know that this is a much larger systemic issue.

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We've talked about middle schools.

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We've talked about we have middle schools that are really crowded.

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We have middle schools that are under enrolled.

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So to all of these parents points, this is a large systemic puzzle that we have to piece together.

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And when we look at the growing number, as you all know, a special education,

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self-contained units, we've gone from, I believe, in 2021, I looked up the other day,

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48, to, I believe we're sitting at 68 right now in counting.

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And so when you think about the specialized classrooms, you have not 24 kids in a room,

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you may have five to nine, depending on the unit, and then another several adults that are in there.

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And that plays into the situation because those kids need a place to be, and in some instances,

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those kids may be all zoned with a particular school.

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So my point is this is a lot bigger problem to solve and situation to deal with than just

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a small tweak of a boundary, which is really where we were originally.

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We also have gentrification in parts of our district, and that is playing into a lot of the declining

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enrollment in places where you see fewer multi-family dwellings that and you see more single

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family homes coming online which net fewer kids. All of that to say that this is not an easy

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problem to solve and I know that you all know that and we've talked about it. So my recommendation

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to you at this time and this is not going to make everybody happy but it is my recommendation is that

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we hold on making any adjustments at this time and we continue to watch the trend.

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And so I'm going to put that right there. You guys are happy to answer questions. Staff is happy to answer questions, but this just isn't something that we can.

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I don't feel comfortable solving with a move because I don't think it really solves the bigger issue.

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I think this requires further study.

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I'll jump in if I might.

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And I appreciate your explanation and your consideration of these issues, but I know one of the things is we've been presented information.

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And we've also heard from the community one of the things that I'm saying is there's an uncertainty about the demographers information and such a time as this which is something that I would like us maybe to be able to see if we can get some additional support or explanation from the demographers.

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But I'm also confused by all of the different numbers they get tossed around about the capacity of a school.

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And I understand the difference between instructional capacity and building occupancy.

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But is there a way that we could so that we can all be on a like page when we have discussions about this in the future to get something from

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on each of the campuses with regard to what we're counting is instructional capacity.

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And I think that would just help, because again, we, you know, even tonight, we heard

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the difference between Frostwood with a great deal of capacity and Frostwood with no capacity.

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So, that would be helpful.

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Yeah.

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And without getting too into it, because you could go down a rabbit hole with all these numbers.

429
00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:36,640
But the bottom line is we build three, three sizes, and I'm going to ask Travis, you please

430
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,700
pipe in, but I think I'm going to explain this pretty well.

431
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:55,440
We build small medium and large campuses, you have 5.50, 6.50 and 7.50, that's how we, and we can categorize every campus we have into those three categories, that does not necessarily mean that more students can't fit or less students might be there.

432
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,780
So that's where you have to look at the programs and its entirety. So let me give you an example.

433
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:07,720
Hunter's Creek, I believe, and Dr. Wolf correct me if I'm wrong, Hunter's Creek has built to 750.

434
00:36:08,540 --> 00:36:13,400
But they have five, I do believe, four, four specialized units on their campus.

435
00:36:13,580 --> 00:36:19,980
So you've taken four classrooms offline that would ordinarily hold 24 students a piece.

436
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,840
And you have, I don't have the numbers and all of those units, but it could be anywhere from five.

437
00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:27,440
We never have more than 10 and 10 is way too many.

438
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,860
And you don't like that, but you usually have anywhere from five to seven

439
00:36:29,860 --> 00:36:32,520
with several adults, depending on the needs of the kids.

440
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,900
So you can say 100 screen holds 750, but it doesn't right now.

441
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:38,940
It doesn't right now.

442
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,900
And they also have some flex space where we could have some swing

443
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:43,940
space in their classrooms.

444
00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:46,640
I will also submit to give you a second example.

445
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,280
Edgewood Elementary.

446
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,340
They are built to 750, I do believe, 750, correct?

447
00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:55,460
I remember this from the 20s, 2007, bond.

448
00:36:55,460 --> 00:37:02,000
Edgewood is built 750, and they have what anybody, and that's an area where we have declining enrollment.

449
00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:08,580
Would anybody like to think about how many units, specialized units they have on their campus?

450
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,960
I don't know if they just...

451
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,100
I'll answer it for you.

452
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,340
It's Annie 7 or 8.

453
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,040
It's a very large number.

454
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,380
And the reason for that, as you can imagine, is because they have the space to do so.

455
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:26,560
And so, and so, when you look at that campus, you take, I'm going to say seven.

456
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,120
It's, you know, Dr. Wolf, it's quite a number.

457
00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:29,980
You take those.

458
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:48,560
Can't you take those classrooms offline? They would normally have 24 kids, but they don't. Because they have a unit, they may have five to seven kids. So when we start talking about capacities and you heard parents and you heard people talk about instructional capacity, the instructional capacity can fluctuate depending on the programs on the campus.

459
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:55,320
But when you talk about the capacity as a whole, you're talking about so in an architect looks at capacity.

460
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,120
They're looking at the cafeteria space because there's kids normally in the cafeteria space, right?

461
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,820
We're talking about the music room.

462
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,480
We're talking about the gym.

463
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,100
We're talking about the art room.

464
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,560
Those all count to the capacity.

465
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,500
But we don't have 24 kids sitting in there in a home room.

466
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,060
But that doesn't mean the space doesn't count towards the capacity.

467
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,180
So it does get very confusing.

468
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:22,160
And unless you deal in these numbers every day, like I did for six years, and I even had to

469
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,260
re-educate myself because I haven't talked about it in a long time, but there's just

470
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:28,240
there the capacity can fluctuate.

471
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:34,520
And so yes, we can get that for you, but I will tell you, one year, a campus's capacity,

472
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:39,980
Hunter's Creek's capacity could be 600 right now, and I'm at please don't write that down.

473
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,240
I'm just saying a number based on the units that they have, if we pull to units from

474
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:50,680
that campus what happens to the capacity, it goes up, okay, so it depends. So the number

475
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,100
I might give you now, might look different than the number that you have next school year

476
00:38:56,100 --> 00:39:00,900
depending on where those units get shifted. We also have to look at where those kids live.

477
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:09,160
So for example, you may have an Apple unit at a campus and all seven of the kids are

478
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,520
down to that campus or six of the seven or zone to that campus.

479
00:39:13,220 --> 00:39:16,040
So it becomes challenging as a leader to tell a parent,

480
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:19,480
all every single one of your kids is zone to your school,

481
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:22,720
but we're going to make you go over here to school

482
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,000
because they have more space.

483
00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:28,560
So you have to think about the least restrictive environment.

484
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,060
You have to think about all of those things that are incumbent,

485
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:33,680
especially when you're working with kids,

486
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:34,980
IEPs and special education.

487
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:37,920
So that's just a piece of the puzzle,

488
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,480
although we're talking a lot about special units, but I could go on and give you, I could

489
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,520
talk all night about this.

490
00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:47,400
But the bottom line is to get a number that sticks all of the time is not going to happen

491
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,760
because it fluctuates.

492
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,540
But what I can tell you is that when we build campuses in spring, we build small, medium,

493
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,480
and large.

494
00:39:57,180 --> 00:40:04,480
Okay, so I mean, I'm looking at the Zonda demographics study and the capacity numbers that

495
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,720
they give on there, then are potentially misleading to the community.

496
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,060
Because when I look at Rumble Creek, it says the capacity is 835.

497
00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:16,080
When I look at Frostwood, it says 894.

498
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:19,900
When I look at Bunker Hill, it says 753.

499
00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:23,360
You know, and according to what we're just discussing,

500
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,240
it's going to be 55650 or 750.

501
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:33,200
So maybe this presentation that was given by the Demographer, excuse me,

502
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,420
was misleading to some of these families and led them down the wrong trail and I think

503
00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:42,400
unfortunately that's creating a big part of this issue that we're dealing with right now.

504
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,320
I'm glad you brought that. So let's talk about that for a second because you also heard

505
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,900
about the size of the building and I know that's not really what we're here to talk about but I

506
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:54,780
want to address that because when you're building a facility and again I don't mean to get into

507
00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:59,960
your area but I ran it for six years so I think I can we dealt with this all the time you know

508
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,780
And when you look at Frostwood, it sits on the corner of Memorial and Guestner.

509
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:07,500
It is a huge piece of land for which you have to build.

510
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Collaborative spaces are something that we value in our build, as you all know, in our teachers

511
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,780
use them all the time.

512
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:22,900
In some campuses that are larger in terms of the land they were able to build on, those collaborative

513
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:29,840
spaces can be turned into classrooms if you have to, but that is not the design or the

514
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:59,000
purpose of them. Okay, let's mirror that to like a bunker hill or a rumble creek. I'm trying to think of my head, the designs of the buildings, but you hear the parents talking about what we said we needed more space, but let's talk about that because when that PAT met and we talked about it at the Bond oversight committee, the lands you have to build bunker hill on is not that big. If you're going to keep.

515
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,340
your play field, which was something that the P.A.T. said they wanted, and their lovely

516
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:07,700
playground, which we would never want to take.

517
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,720
So when you take offline that space, you only have so much room to build a facility, and

518
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:15,460
you can't go up more than two levels.

519
00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:20,180
I would never feel comfortable building a three-story elementary campus nor with the village

520
00:42:20,180 --> 00:42:20,580
is allowed.

521
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,040
And each jurisdiction of authority is going to require certain amount of parking,

522
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:29,820
or

523
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:33,280
drop-offs, off the streets, and then on to our site.

524
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:33,840
So there are-

525
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,200
All that takes up site.

526
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:36,180
It all takes up.

527
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,500
So you can't always build the building bigger.

528
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,660
And so when you look at the collaborative spaces in those campuses,

529
00:42:44,780 --> 00:42:46,080
they have them.

530
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,860
But they look more like an oversight.

531
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,160
You've been in there more like an oversized hallway, where there's places,

532
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,660
where kids can sit, and they can work in groups.

533
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,940
But it's not a huge space where you could put a large number of children.

534
00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:20,840
So, unfortunately, we're just dealing with different, different sizes of, like, all of that factors into this, and I know that it's not helpful when you're not getting the decision that you want, but I'm just trying to be very honest with you all about all of the factors that go into building into capacity, how that's figured, and everything that we have to take into consideration when we're making these types of decisions.

535
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:27,620
So that's a great question, and I'm just, and I think that if we're going to move forward with more discussions about how we handle the situation,

536
00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:29,620
And we're going to have to have actual numbers.

537
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,980
We cannot continue forward with the numbers

538
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:34,020
that we're given in this demographer study,

539
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:37,700
because they're not reflecting the actual numbers

540
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:38,640
that we can have on the campus.

541
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,160
And I understand there's the fluctuations.

542
00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:42,880
I understand the sped classrooms and all of that.

543
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,420
But I think when I look at that, and I see 894,

544
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,220
I mean, that looks like a lot of room left in there.

545
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:54,360
And so we need to get more realistic

546
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,360
So that we know what we're actually dealing with.

547
00:43:58,180 --> 00:44:00,580
Well, and if the projections are correct,

548
00:44:00,820 --> 00:44:03,920
and McGregor Hill continues to go higher in their numbers,

549
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,660
I would anticipate that, with time,

550
00:44:07,940 --> 00:44:09,700
more substantial change may need to happen.

551
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:11,640
That is for, I mean, just with all of these schools,

552
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,040
when you talk about middle schools,

553
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,620
would you talk about, you know,

554
00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:16,640
cleaning up boundaries, all of those things?

555
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,120
I think it just sounds like more discussion has to happen,

556
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:23,140
so that we're being thoughtful for the long term.

557
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:31,660
Yes, and I will tell you, you know, my desire when we went into this was to try to solve this issue really it was, which is why we brought it forward.

558
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:37,940
But the more we pulled back the layers and started looking at all the factors that need to be considered.

559
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,140
It was just a conundrum about what you do because it is true.

560
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:48,480
You could be solving one problem in creating another one and then three years down the road neither works and then you're moving kids again.

561
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,780
So, you know, one of the parents said tonight that boundary changes, I mean they do disrupt families,

562
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:57,040
which is why we try not to do it, you know, and it is true.

563
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,980
So, the last thing I want to do is make a recommendation to you.

564
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:26,980
I have a few things that I want to say in a dress in a couple of questions. So bear with me. The first thing is when we are talking about all of the boundary adjustments and we've talked about it in meetings before this.

565
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:36,640
I believe some people in the community have started to spread rumors and said that I was

566
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:42,420
for moving wheelchair and remote-create kids from Memorial Middle School to Spring

567
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:48,400
Forest and I want to go on the record saying I do not believe that I would not vote

568
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,040
for that.

569
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:50,820
I don't think that is a good idea.

570
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:53,600
I just want to be clear with everybody in the community.

571
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:20,820
The next thing I want to talk about with middle school capacities is we have got to be extremely thoughtful and the next couple of years we're going to be rebuilding all the middle schools except for land from which we've already done so I don't want to run into these issues like we've had valiokes and bunker hill.

572
00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:31,600
I don't know how to avoid that, but I don't think we need to get into those things without having a solution for that problem because we keep hitting that running into that same wall.

573
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:42,640
So we've got to figure that out whether it's a different demographer, whether it's multiple demographers that we have got to have a better plan going forward in my opinion.

574
00:46:45,320 --> 00:47:10,880
This next question is for the district and you know, Travis, Jennifer, at Bunker Hill are we in a Valley Oaks situation in your experience and that all of the Valley Oaks build and you know plans and the PAT and all of those things was before my time on the board so I wanted to hear it from you guys.

575
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:18,440
Do you think that we are in a situation where just like a Valley Oaks, we're going to need to build more for bunker hill?

576
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,860
Is that even a possibility on their land?

577
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:22,760
Because it's smaller.

578
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,520
Talk me through this.

579
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,280
Let me take the first part and then I'll let you can talk about the building of the actual space.

580
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:30,660
No, we are not there yet.

581
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:33,960
So that's, I think that's the point in looking at the trend data.

582
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:37,100
But they are trending up, and happen trending up, that is true.

583
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:38,220
And I want to say that's not true.

584
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:43,700
But it's not a, it's not a Valley Oaks situation at this point in time, couldn't get there.

585
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:44,760
I mean, I don't know it might.

586
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,160
It's a wonderful school, a wonderful community.

587
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,080
It's very desirable.

588
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,060
And I know people will want to move in over there.

589
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,240
But it's not, no, it's not there yet.

590
00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:55,360
And we did not add a wing.

591
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:58,460
Gosh, we watched Valley Oaks for four or five years.

592
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,380
Before we add, in fact, the only way we were able to add the wing,

593
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,660
as you all know, was through a 2022 bond program.

594
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:07,860
We don't, we don't have money in the general fund to build something like that.

595
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:12,840
So when we finally made that decision, it went into a bond.

596
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:18,760
So they were crowded for five or six years with enrollment

597
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,020
continued to going up.

598
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:22,420
And as you probably know, and y'all probably know,

599
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,100
the issue of Valley Oaks was that you didn't necessarily have multi,

600
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:32,860
you had multi family housing units coming down with some homes

601
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:35,780
going in place, but that would have theoretically taken me

602
00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:40,520
down, right, because you don't have as many kids. What happened was there were a lot of

603
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,080
developments, like there was a, there were several extrip centers, there was a K-mart, I

604
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:49,640
don't know if you all remember that, it was over there at one time. All of those pieces and

605
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:55,780
parcels of land that had non-family dwellings on them, so they were businesses or whatnot,

606
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:02,920
were bought up and homes were put there. And so that was something that a demographer may or may

607
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:09,520
be able to anticipate. So we watched it over time, but we realized we were going to have to do something,

608
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,620
and sure enough that wing is being used. If you go over there, they have over 900 kids.

609
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:18,560
So I don't let you talk about the building part of it, please.

610
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,520
So the district is very intentional when we design a bunker hill to make sure,

611
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,220
like we do with any of our elementary schools, that our classrooms have the ability for natural

612
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:33,520
light. So the ability to view outside. Anytime we meet with our PAT, they're always talking

613
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:39,880
about that connection with nature. So when you look at Valley Oaks, we have the ability

614
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:47,700
in terms of additional sight to expand. We do not have that to do at the bunker hill.

615
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:53,420
Now if we did, we would look at closing in court yards, which would mean that you've got classrooms

616
00:49:53,420 --> 00:50:01,460
with no exterior windows. We can't reduce parking. I've had conversations with Annie kind

617
00:50:01,460 --> 00:50:06,020
of jokingly, can we take the playfields offline, can we take the playgrounds offline,

618
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:13,000
all of which is part of the educational process. So we do have a limited site on Bunker Hill

619
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,580
as it stands now.

620
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:24,120
My last question with all of that being said about Bunker Hill and with the recommendation

621
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:33,540
that you guys have brought to us tonight, what are we going to do to support bunker hill in the next year, in the next two years?

622
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:42,380
If we're looking at data and making decisions, what are some actual tangible things that we're going to do to support those teachers?

623
00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:47,540
And how many classrooms are we going to be having in hallways?

624
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:52,600
How many special ed units in book closets?

625
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,180
like, what are the actual things we can do to help support the educational experience?

626
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:04,640
When you look at their class sizes, we don't show, in effect, I think the largest student

627
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,240
teacher ratio, and I don't remember the grade level, is I think 23 to 1 and then the lowest

628
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:16,000
is 20 to 1 and everything is in between. That's what their projection show, but we will be ready

629
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,700
to help facilitate additional, I mean, some of it is additional assistance in the classroom

630
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:27,600
if they're overcrowded, I mean, you know, I will tell you, you know, having been an elementary

631
00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:33,880
principal, splitting kids in the middle of the year if you had the space is not ideal

632
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:39,860
anyway. And if you go in and you split the kids, nobody wants their child moved into another

633
00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:46,220
classroom. So, so some of it is providing additional set of hands with teachers. So, we can

634
00:51:46,220 --> 00:51:52,220
do some of that. There are some creative uses of space that we can accommodate and we're

635
00:51:52,220 --> 00:51:54,620
looking at that with Dr. Rios.

636
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:58,270
Sorry, promises the last question.

637
00:51:59,010 --> 00:52:04,730
What are the partitions that we heard about in is that talk me through that?

638
00:52:04,770 --> 00:52:09,650
So, they do have small groups, intervention groups that are occurring in the library and other spaces.

639
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:14,810
and when I talked to Dr. Reyes, which is not in common by the way, we've all had them as

640
00:52:14,810 --> 00:52:21,150
elementary principles before. It is nice if you concurrence, take a space and kind of give some

641
00:52:21,150 --> 00:52:26,690
privacy. And so we're going to look at, particularly, where we are going to purchase them

642
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:29,970
and partitions that are somewhat selfless.

643
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:43,980
So the teachers can work in small groups and pull those intervention groups and not be loud. But if you go to other campuses, we do have intervention groups and students that are pulled out in small group that are in those collaborative spaces. That is non-uncommon.

644
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:48,980
So you're saying the highest student teacher ratios, 23 to 1.

645
00:52:49,460 --> 00:52:55,280
Let me look, but I believe that I think I, because I, just to clarify, because I saw some of the issues in their heads.

646
00:52:55,900 --> 00:53:00,020
If these kindergarten classes, I know they got the letter that happens at a lot of other schools,

647
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,520
I'm not saying that, you know, and they've got kids sitting at 24, 25 in a classroom.

648
00:53:05,460 --> 00:53:08,220
I just think it would be helpful if we could just clarify that.

649
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:11,040
Well, that's something that we all feel the same way.

650
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:11,220
Right.

651
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:17,800
So when I checked just on Friday, last week I asked the question, where are we with projected

652
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,560
class sizes and teacher units that I've been allocated?

653
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:28,520
Bunker Hill, the largest projected class right now is 23 students per classroom and

654
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,680
per grade so 23 or next year.

655
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:38,000
Which I'm at next year and with the lowest being 20 to one in kindergarten the other

656
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:45,000
classrooms are anywhere in between theirs, 21, 22, 23, yes that's what we show next year.

657
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,400
Because I think someone did tell me that they've hired I don't know for which grade level

658
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,680
but another teacher already.

659
00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:53,180
Yes, they probably, I don't have their staff in it for me.

660
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,780
Yes, that's pretty bad another unit for next year.

661
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,200
Classroom teacher, I can't remember who told me that.

662
00:53:58,220 --> 00:54:01,340
We get you the staffing, which would help with the numbers.

663
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:06,370
So

664
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:14,740
happy to answer anything else you all have.

665
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,180
And again, I want to just say this is not easy for anybody,

666
00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:21,280
and it's a very passionate topic.

667
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:28,720
But we do have a very interesting enrollment scenario happening

668
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:33,760
in our system right now and it's unprecedented and we have a large portion of our community

669
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:41,280
that is growing, we have a portion of our community that is shrinking and we have to figure

670
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:47,760
out how to balance it all and it is a much larger puzzle to solve than a small boundary change

671
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,780
which was what we were trying to do to alleviate the crowding but we just upon further review

672
00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:58,660
feel like it just could solve a very short term problem and we're going to be sitting right

673
00:54:58,660 --> 00:55:01,260
back here next year, trying to solve something else.

674
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,020
So that number you gave should not,

675
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:04,320
that should be black and white.

676
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:06,380
There shouldn't be any question of that.

677
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:08,680
But I know that there's some people that think,

678
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:09,960
I can tell I'm not going to switch number here.

679
00:55:10,180 --> 00:55:11,340
The 23 to 1.

680
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:12,140
That's that.

681
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,240
That's yes, I just asked this question

682
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:15,200
to project it.

683
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:15,880
Project it.

684
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:16,480
That's what I'm just saying.

685
00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:19,520
I just want, I mean, I don't think you can promise that.

686
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,460
If that's what you're looking for,

687
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:22,260
I think that's when you say projected,

688
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:24,620
that's our best educated guess.

689
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,160
I understand what that means.

690
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,480
But I mean, so what are you looking for?

691
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,320
Well, it seems like I can, the tension, I mean,

692
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,000
I know that these moms have worked so hard on this.

693
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:35,920
And they've talked a little bit about it.

694
00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:37,080
Tell them where you got those numbers.

695
00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:42,000
Just so maybe those are the enrollment projections per grade level

696
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,460
that you all would have, well, you all would have seen the enrollment

697
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:44,940
projections.

698
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:46,760
You might not have seen by grade level with school.

699
00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:48,780
We wouldn't have brought that to you in the fall.

700
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,800
But that's where those come from.

701
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:56,360
So I just asked this question on Friday of HR.

702
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:57,980
Are those those are internal numbers?

703
00:55:58,140 --> 00:55:59,560
So you got it from HR, is that okay?

704
00:55:59,860 --> 00:56:00,260
Yes, thank you.

705
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:00,540
Yes.

706
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:01,700
I'm sure.

707
00:56:04,670 --> 00:56:05,270
Thank you, Dr. Vain.

708
00:56:05,410 --> 00:56:06,230
Anyone else?

709
00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:07,950
Okay.

710
00:56:09,050 --> 00:56:13,910
Now, the next item on the agenda is the discussion of the fiscal year, 2027 budget, Dr.

711
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:14,150
Blaine.

712
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:23,240
Porter, you're going to go to the podium.

713
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:24,520
No, I'm not.

714
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:24,680
I'm not.

715
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,520
Getting the clicker.

716
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,200
Oh, not it.

717
00:56:41,370 --> 00:56:44,930
Thank you, Dr. Blaine, President Mayhand and members of the board.

718
00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:52,350
I appreciate the opportunity to update you on where we are in the 2627 budget process.

719
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:59,340
This is that draft document that is back up for the agenda item.

720
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:06,860
It includes actual estimates and a draft of the 2627 budget, but I'm going to break down the pieces of this page.

721
00:57:08,260 --> 00:57:20,340
This page shows the first four columns which represents the actual audited data starting with the 21-22 school year through the 24-25 school year.

722
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,780
The net effect on fund balance is indicated with the red circle.

723
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:34,840
In 21-22, we increase fund balance by 10.4 million and in 22-23, we increase fund balance by 9.7 million.

724
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:41,080
That was done primarily through the effective use of ester dollars, those COVID relief funds.

725
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,880
We were able to use those dollars to fund programs so that we can ensure that student learning

726
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,000
was prioritized as we went through that recovery period after COVID.

727
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,580
Then, in the 23-24 school year, we used fund balance of $14.6 million.

728
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:03,660
This was a planned use of fund balance, as we ensured that we were maintaining specific programming

729
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:13,840
focus on student learning, and as a note, the legislature met in the spring of 2023 and did not provide any significant new money for the

730
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:23,500
2023-24 or the 2024-25 school year. The last column represents last fiscal year, 2024-25 or column A.

731
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:30,800
We went into it having worked through a $35 million cut to the budget, and still use fund

732
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,800
balance of $19.8 million.

733
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:38,860
We knew when we determined the amount to be cut, we were still going to use fund balance,

734
00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:41,000
but we had it to use.

735
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,540
And after that use, we were still meeting the local policy of maintaining 19% indicator

736
00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:48,620
by the blue circle.

737
00:58:48,620 --> 00:58:54,780
Those cuts were necessary to keep us moving forward to ensure financial stability as we

738
00:58:54,780 --> 00:59:00,760
waited yet against to see if the legislature in the spring of 2025 would do anything

739
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,940
about the increasing cost of educating students across the state.

740
00:59:14,990 --> 00:59:17,350
You can move forward one page. Thank you.

741
00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:22,930
I'm going to discuss what is under Colin B, the adjusted budget for 2526.

742
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:27,050
This has changed from the last presentation that I didn't February.

743
00:59:27,050 --> 00:59:30,850
So I want to remind everybody of what's happened throughout this year.

744
00:59:32,050 --> 00:59:36,870
First, the legislature did pass bills that provided increased spending to school districts.

745
00:59:37,450 --> 00:59:42,590
But they didn't do that until the very end of the session, the end of May, beginning of June, actually.

746
00:59:43,310 --> 00:59:47,490
So we've been spending this year attempting to understand how they implement those changes.

747
00:59:50,970 --> 00:59:56,610
The first major component is net state revenue, circled here in green, which includes three key pieces.

748
00:59:56,610 --> 00:59:59,990
tax revenue, state funding, and a reduction.

749
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:10,240
This may sound repetitive from before, but I believe it's critical that we all understand how the pieces come into play in the calculation.

750
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:18,000
On the tax revenues, we received our certified values in August, and continue to get updates to these values every month.

751
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:24,880
Every month, HKAD sends us these values that both add and subtract from our taxable property values.

752
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,980
The additions are values that are finally getting certified, and subtractions are due to

753
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:35,920
things like increased exemptions being added, or adjustments to values because taxpayers

754
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:42,680
disputed their values. At this point, we're estimating around 28.7 million in tax revenue,

755
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:49,060
which includes both current and delinquent tax payments, which is that first line in that

756
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:58,240
This includes the required compression of the 5.33 pennies on the MNO tax rate, along with the changes to exemptions.

757
01:00:58,460 --> 01:01:15,480
The primary to being the 40,000 increase from 100 to 140 k, 140,000 for all home-steads, and the 50,000 increase from 10 to 60,000 for home-steads that qualify for the over 65 or disabled exemption.

758
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:21,680
It also includes the adjustments to frozen levies to account for these changes for a home

759
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,180
said that have been frozen prior to this year.

760
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:30,600
So if you were frozen two years ago, you got your frozen levium out was reduced to account

761
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:31,580
for these changes.

762
01:01:33,220 --> 01:01:37,660
The next two lines in the Green Circle come from the summary of finance formula calculation,

763
01:01:38,340 --> 01:01:42,240
which calculates our amount that we will get from the state along with that required

764
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,000
recapture payment calculation.

765
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:50,140
In order to complete the estimated calculation of this, there's two key pieces along with

766
01:01:50,140 --> 01:01:51,060
that tax collection.

767
01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:56,840
We need our student enrollment, including their various designations, depending on the

768
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:02,040
services they receive, along with the counselors' calculations of our property values.

769
01:02:02,820 --> 01:02:07,620
And as you're aware, we did not meet our projections for the 2526 school year by over

770
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:11,980
1,000 students, so now I'm accounting for that in that funding formula.

771
01:02:12,820 --> 01:02:19,200
We received our pre-pulmonary values in December and just received our preliminary values back at the end of January.

772
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:23,960
All of these pieces are key to determine what we were received from the state.

773
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:41,560
And as a quick note, those final data pieces of student enrollment and weights along with the actual tax collections will be adjusted when the state will be turned into the state when the state will make that adjustment on near final calculations and September of

774
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:50,620
26, three months after we've ended the school year, which is why we use our templates using

775
01:02:50,620 --> 01:02:54,900
our most current data estimates to determine our funds and don't use what the state might

776
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:56,040
have on their site.

777
01:02:57,060 --> 01:03:01,720
But here's something I want to focus on that is a change from when I presented this.

778
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:08,500
As recently as last month, TEA changed their methodology and how they calculate the frozen

779
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:09,860
of the whole term loss.

780
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:16,730
Basically, they're determining lost revenue in a current year

781
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,310
using current year calculated levy.

782
01:03:19,810 --> 01:03:22,430
So what's our levy for this year on all the homes?

783
01:03:22,650 --> 01:03:25,230
What are the levy this year on all the homes

784
01:03:25,230 --> 01:03:26,550
that have a frozen levy?

785
01:03:27,490 --> 01:03:30,530
And subtracting the levy lost to that freeze

786
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:33,830
within without the changes to exemption.

787
01:03:36,590 --> 01:03:40,270
Previously, they were using a levy

788
01:03:40,270 --> 01:03:44,690
calculated based on their reductions, not happening at all,

789
01:03:45,370 --> 01:03:47,710
and using that net loss and comparing that loss

790
01:03:47,710 --> 01:03:49,810
against the current year, net loss.

791
01:03:51,970 --> 01:03:54,750
Clear as mud, I know.

792
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:58,690
But across the state, they had seen some inconsistency

793
01:03:58,690 --> 01:04:02,490
on how this data was being reported from various cads

794
01:04:02,490 --> 01:04:04,710
or appraisal districts across the state.

795
01:04:05,390 --> 01:04:07,750
So this is how they decided to be consistent

796
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:09,350
and the data they received.

797
01:04:10,330 --> 01:04:17,310
And some school districts all increases, some some great decreases, and this changed

798
01:04:17,310 --> 01:04:20,390
to reduce our net state revenue by $3.5 million.

799
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:28,190
And now, on top of that, they are going to completely change how this data needs to be submitted

800
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:29,130
to the state.

801
01:04:30,310 --> 01:04:35,150
Our software company is working on this, but we won't be able to send it until we do the first

802
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:43,390
property value audit. And it cannot happen until early this fall. So until we get that data,

803
01:04:43,610 --> 01:04:48,470
until the state uses that form, it will be difficult to determine if we'll see any change

804
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:54,570
in that 3.5 million dollars. I'll continue to monitor this, and we'll make adjustments to

805
01:04:54,570 --> 01:04:59,470
the final amended budget if there's a way I can determine how that data is going to be used

806
01:04:59,470 --> 01:05:04,530
at the state. We have a couple of statewide organizations,

807
01:05:05,310 --> 01:05:09,650
moccacy, and tazvo, that are working with the state to make sure that we can clearly

808
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:15,370
understand how this can affect that data. However, at this point, I have to use the data

809
01:05:15,370 --> 01:05:23,330
that the state is using and plans to use. So I want to add something here. TGA still doesn't

810
01:05:23,330 --> 01:05:28,050
have all of our data yet on their site where they show the summary of finance for school

811
01:05:28,050 --> 01:05:34,550
districts. They have the preliminary property tax values in the summary of finances, but they

812
01:05:34,550 --> 01:05:39,250
still won't know all of our student data pieces until the end of the year. They will make

813
01:05:39,250 --> 01:05:44,210
some adjustments based on student enrollment in February and March because they got the data

814
01:05:44,210 --> 01:05:50,690
from us in that PIN submission back in October and they also because we've started submitting data

815
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:56,630
on, we did the first semester data of student enrollment and we'll start submitting it every six weeks.

816
01:05:58,050 --> 01:06:00,570
But they won't make those adjustments till May.

817
01:06:03,010 --> 01:06:06,390
But it just shows again the major differences between TEA and our estimates.

818
01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:11,790
They only have what they know, and they apply their statewide estimates across the state.

819
01:06:12,270 --> 01:06:17,850
We, however, have our current data and can better estimate for the entire year now.

820
01:06:18,670 --> 01:06:22,130
So armed with these pieces, let's discuss what's in that funding formula.

821
01:06:22,910 --> 01:06:28,870
During the session in spring of 2025, the legislature provided funds to school districts and civil areas.

822
01:06:29,530 --> 01:06:34,130
Just like we mentioned before, there are raises for some teachers, not all teachers.

823
01:06:35,110 --> 01:06:38,770
There are raises for other staff, including excluding administrators.

824
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:45,090
There is a basic allotment increase, but was funded by funds that they would have used

825
01:06:45,090 --> 01:06:47,670
to allow us to keep more funds of our golden pennies.

826
01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:52,410
So that really is just moving money from one pot to another pot.

827
01:06:53,230 --> 01:06:58,510
There was a new allotment for basic increase at funds some of the inflationary pressures.

828
01:06:59,370 --> 01:07:04,210
There was an overhaul of the special education funding formula that primarily

829
01:07:04,210 --> 01:07:07,130
want occur until the 2627 school year.

830
01:07:07,330 --> 01:07:10,890
However, the initial evaluation funding piece is occurring this year.

831
01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:12,550
We're getting funds for that.

832
01:07:13,150 --> 01:07:17,590
There is an increase to the school safety allotment and then some adjustments to the early

833
01:07:18,970 --> 01:07:26,490
So key thing to note here is the specific requirements we have to spend almost all of these funds.

834
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:29,650
Almost all of these funds are not flexible dollars.

835
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:37,040
We must be spent on only specific processes. An example is the teacher raises. While we appreciate what

836
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:43,500
looks like a large increase in state funding of $9.3 million, we must spend those on teacher

837
01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:49,360
raises, which we most assured we want to do to be clear. I'm just trying to explain that

838
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:55,180
it's not flexible dollars. When the legislature touts that they added so much money to public education,

839
01:07:55,180 --> 01:08:00,300
and they basically told us how to spend it and did little to help combat the inflationary

840
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:03,100
pressures we felt for the past six years.

841
01:08:04,580 --> 01:08:08,600
All of these pieces, the tax collections, the student enrollment and cultural as property

842
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:16,560
values, bring our total net state revenue to 334.5 million dollars, as indicated in the

843
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,020
yellow line at the bottom of that green circle.

844
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:24,380
So I want to talk about the adjustments we've made on the expenditure side which is circled

845
01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:30,820
in Brown. On the expenditure side, we adjusted for all those required spending pieces, which we

846
01:08:30,820 --> 01:08:35,700
need to do based on a legislative intent, along with decisions that were made to salary schedules

847
01:08:35,700 --> 01:08:40,580
across the board, and other adjustments that normally happen throughout the year. For instance,

848
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:49,020
carryover and come rents items like that. So at this point, are there any questions about where

849
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:51,620
we are now.

850
01:08:51,620 --> 01:08:52,440
I'll jump in Christine.

851
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,700
So when we hear the big headlines,

852
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,200
the additional 8.5 billions upon a then.

853
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,760
Our state funding goes up $27 million.

854
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,820
When people in the community ask us,

855
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,840
where did that money go into our budget?

856
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,520
Looks like 16 million to additional payroll.

857
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,100
So that's some of the teacher raises.

858
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,200
And the rest went to safety and security spending.

859
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,780
Can you tell me how you're getting to the 16 million?

860
01:09:26,420 --> 01:09:27,500
I mean, I was just looking at the difference.

861
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:29,560
The payroll difference between, oh.

862
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,400
Was that 3-11 and 3-27?

863
01:09:31,540 --> 01:09:31,760
Yes.

864
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:32,600
From calendar to calendar.

865
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,620
So that accommodates for the raises for the teachers,

866
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,500
it accommodates raises for other staff excluding administrators

867
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:40,900
and then other raises.

868
01:09:40,940 --> 01:09:45,360
Okay, so the council accounts for the large increase to benefits

869
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:52,740
that are tied for any of those raises and benefits and then if someone in the community said

870
01:09:52,740 --> 01:09:56,980
where did the additional state funding go? I don't know the safety and security

871
01:09:56,980 --> 01:10:02,680
allotment went out, still not enough. When I'm just about a million dollars it still falls

872
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:11,300
about two million short funding the officer at every campus. It also we got a little bit

873
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:17,780
special ed represents about a million dollars for 1.3 million for the

874
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:25,100
evaluations that are being done. And then we got about $3 million to fund

875
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:26,840
inflationary pressures.

876
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:33,450
Is that enough to touch the inflationary pressures?

877
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:39,750
No, that only covers it at about a third. Maybe. I really need every year

878
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:46,370
would need an additional $3 to $4 million to cover inflationary pressures.

879
01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:49,170
Every year needs to be an additional amount.

880
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:51,130
Not just that, same amount.

881
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:53,430
Thanks for speaking.

882
01:10:54,370 --> 01:10:58,170
And is that, is that $3 million?

883
01:10:58,230 --> 01:10:59,610
Is that in staying?

884
01:11:00,050 --> 01:11:00,410
That's sticking.

885
01:11:00,710 --> 01:11:03,810
But we're just, we would need more year over year.

886
01:11:04,230 --> 01:11:07,070
So we're going to carry the $3 million forward.

887
01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:14,790
But we would like to talk about like those fixed costs.

888
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:23,510
The water bill for the school district has probably been the greatest.

889
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:28,570
One of the fastest growing inflationary pressure item we have out there.

890
01:11:29,330 --> 01:11:33,990
And losing a thousand kids is not decreasing our use of water.

891
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:51,430
We still, I mean, we may have a few less kids at the water fountain, but we're still watering grass, we're still using water in the cafeteria, we're still all the athletic fields across the district, so like that doesn't go away because we have less kids.

892
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:54,190
And so that's going to continue.

893
01:11:54,290 --> 01:12:03,110
I think we're hearing an increase of maybe seven to eight percent increase rates specifically

894
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:03,770
on water.

895
01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:10,130
So right there is a seven to eight percent increase that is not going to be covered because

896
01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:16,990
that inflationary, that ABC, new alignment for basic costs is actually tied to our number

897
01:12:16,990 --> 01:12:17,730
of students.

898
01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:23,570
So, it is not going to just because we've lost students, we're still going to have those

899
01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:27,610
same offset increases with those fixed costs.

900
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:32,830
Now, that has to be part of discussions moving forward, yes, but the point is, it doesn't

901
01:12:32,830 --> 01:12:34,950
erase just because the kids don't show up.

902
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:41,620
What are some other fixed costs?

903
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,100
I'm thinking my head, gasoline.

904
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:46,240
Gasoline, electricity,

905
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,200
insurance, on technology side.

906
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,000
I mean, we still, we have to maintain cybersecurity.

907
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:02,420
We have to maintain access, just email addresses.

908
01:13:02,740 --> 01:13:06,860
The services that, just like we have increased inflationary pressures,

909
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:09,820
so do entities that are providing us services.

910
01:13:09,940 --> 01:13:11,060
Yeah, like IT servers.

911
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:12,060
There's something to do.

912
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:19,740
Well, even services that were provided are ERP system has a set increase every year.

913
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,540
And we can say we want to switch.

914
01:13:21,540 --> 01:13:23,120
But I assure you, we go back out there.

915
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,600
Some of the prices have even higher than what we're spending.

916
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:28,940
Now, at least we got them to lock in to only a low increase

917
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,020
over five years.

918
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,120
A school itself has set costs.

919
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:42,100
10 less kids does not mean we need 10 less kids worth of a principal.

920
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,020
A principal is still a principal at a high school, at a school.

921
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:49,520
So, again, while we have to look

922
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:55,420
across the district at enrollment, and what's happening at all of the schools, just having

923
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:59,120
us kids does not dismiss those needs.

924
01:13:59,740 --> 01:14:02,420
And the other thing is tied to projections this last year.

925
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,460
We projected that those over a thousand kids are going to be here.

926
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,400
We staffed based on that.

927
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,660
We staffed teachers based on that.

928
01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:17,760
Christine, I was just going to say that you can explain how you're staffing in your contractual

929
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:24,540
obligations will be a year lagging with your, yes, yes, that's important here.

930
01:14:25,020 --> 01:14:33,820
So back last April, contracts, well the projection was set was used to staff, contracts were

931
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:39,900
issued to teachers across this district, but when those over 1000 students didn't show up,

932
01:14:40,300 --> 01:14:46,800
we can't just go, okay, we didn't, so there is a way to do it, but that's, we weren't in that

933
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:52,100
need to do that. But we don't just go and say midyear by the way, we don't need you anymore

934
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:59,960
because we're going to combine these classes. It takes at least a year and almost two years to act.

935
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:16,620
We actually worked through a loss of students, because, again, if they all left in these perfect little boxes of 24 kids or whatever number at the, in exactly the same types of students, that would be easier, but that's not what happens.

936
01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:25,880
And so it takes a year and so this last year on these projections, overall for the district, we saw student counts going down.

937
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:33,000
So using that student counts going down, that could be why a high school is losing teachers.

938
01:15:33,620 --> 01:15:38,580
They don't have the same number of kids, so therefore then they have to make adjustments to their schedules.

939
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:49,620
However, and so while we're on the topic of high school, if you talk with any financial advisor to a school district,

940
01:15:49,620 --> 01:15:56,900
the high school schedule is the most inefficient, one of the most inefficient pieces of running

941
01:15:56,900 --> 01:15:57,760
a school district.

942
01:15:58,020 --> 01:16:02,080
And the reason for that, and it doesn't matter what schedule you have, pick a schedule.

943
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,980
It's not about the type of the schedule you pick.

944
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,880
It's about the number of kids you have, but they still have to be offered the program of studies.

945
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:14,980
So you're still offering the same courses at a high school with a lower enrollment as you

946
01:16:14,980 --> 01:16:18,980
are at a high school that has, not a, you know, has a solid enrollment or even more

947
01:16:18,980 --> 01:16:24,020
of enrollment. Now we're doing a lot of sharing of teachers right now, which is helpful, but

948
01:16:24,020 --> 01:16:28,320
you can't do that in every situation. So what you don't want to do, and what we used

949
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:37,180
to do, that I think Dr. Stahlworth's about to this, to several meetings to go, what you

950
01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:41,320
don't want to do is just because you have a high number of students in a healthy enrollment

951
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:45,980
at a campus, you don't want to, you want to make sure if kids want to take engineering,

952
01:16:45,980 --> 01:16:48,740
that they have an opportunity to take engineering classes.

953
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:49,840
That's fair.

954
01:16:49,940 --> 01:16:50,940
We didn't use to do that.

955
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,080
If you didn't have enough kids that wanted engineering,

956
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,020
then too bad you didn't get to take it.

957
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,120
What we are able to do now is to share teachers across the system.

958
01:16:59,540 --> 01:17:01,620
And if we can't share teachers across the system,

959
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,960
we can ensure that the kids have full accessibility

960
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,120
to the program of studies no matter what school they're going to.

961
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,320
And not super important, but it makes the high school schedule.

962
01:17:11,500 --> 01:17:13,340
Whatever schedule it is, just inefficient.

963
01:17:13,340 --> 01:17:17,460
It doesn't matter the seven period days and if they put all in efficient it, because it's

964
01:17:17,460 --> 01:17:21,680
unless you're maximizing those class sizes, you're going to have some classes that are

965
01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:27,620
lower attended than others and to your point, you know, at the elementary level where you have

966
01:17:27,620 --> 01:17:33,920
the 24 to one class size, they just don't all leave in nice little pockets so that you can

967
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,460
condense and combine, you know, it just doesn't work that way, so it becomes a challenge.

968
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:42,920
So that's why all of this we've talked about tonight becomes a challenge about how you balance

969
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:44,760
things and the budget.

970
01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:54,000
If I could just clarify the enrollment, the 1,000 student drop in enrollment and this

971
01:17:54,000 --> 01:18:00,360
current school year would translate to a lower teacher count next year's budget.

972
01:18:00,860 --> 01:18:01,200
Correct.

973
01:18:02,180 --> 01:18:02,360
Correct.

974
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:06,540
It doesn't reflect itself in this year's budget.

975
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:07,380
That is correct.

976
01:18:07,820 --> 01:18:08,160
That is correct.

977
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:08,300
That is correct.

978
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:08,600
That is correct.

979
01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:12,340
That is correct.

980
01:18:13,620 --> 01:18:20,620
We find ways to move kids around, but that isn't always easy, especially in some schedules.

981
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,200
Christine, you mentioned insurance, her case isn't less than two months away.

982
01:18:27,260 --> 01:18:34,720
Have we dropped any of our coverages or changed our premiums or policies to try to reduce money we spent on insurance?

983
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:42,960
So, we should be getting something in the next few weeks or so, I think, by the beginning of May,

984
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:47,520
is, or may, I'm looking at David, because he's working directly with our insurance.

985
01:18:48,260 --> 01:18:58,900
We have gotten positive remarks about the fact that we hopefully should be able to save money and actually improve some of our coverage.

986
01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:15,260
I believe it in shirts and light of how FEMA may or may not be funded in the future to use that as a backstop coverage protector.

987
01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:25,080
I don't think is as easy as it sounds. We found it actually dealing with the, I mean we're still dealing with FEMA from the 24 storms by the way.

988
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:35,080
So, but I believe we'll see a little bit of a lower cost, but it's not going to be in the multi-million's.

989
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:38,320
So we're not reducing our coverages.

990
01:19:38,980 --> 01:19:39,400
Okay.

991
01:19:39,740 --> 01:19:40,940
I do not look to that.

992
01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:50,080
I've asked you this before, but I've seen it more common in large corporations that are offering employees a cash.

993
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:57,720
And cash instead of taking the entrance, is that something we could do, or since we have TRS with that work, or is it the same group rate?

994
01:19:59,020 --> 01:20:01,800
It would be the same group rate across.

995
01:20:04,340 --> 01:20:09,280
You're talking about, okay, like we offer benefits or you can take whatever.

996
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:10,940
A drink of money each year.

997
01:20:10,940 --> 01:20:13,860
I would recommend, I'm not saying we couldn't look in that.

998
01:20:13,940 --> 01:20:19,420
We definitely have to look into the legality of that because of the requirement we have to make sure that everybody has access.

999
01:20:20,420 --> 01:20:31,820
But we actually, currently, depending on plans and ensuring that we basically have a free plan for covering one, you know,

1000
01:20:31,940 --> 01:20:34,740
coming back to themselves, ensuring that we have that.

1001
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:43,620
And at just another note, we're actually required by the state to contribute at least a certain amount.

1002
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:49,320
It's around 153 might be a little higher to, we're actually per person.

1003
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:50,580
even if they don't take it.

1004
01:20:50,860 --> 01:20:52,920
Now, if they're taking an interest by,

1005
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:54,700
we have to pay for at least that much.

1006
01:20:58,030 --> 01:21:01,110
But does the state give you any money to help in that mandate?

1007
01:21:03,070 --> 01:21:06,130
Do you remember the concept of how I talked about hold harmless?

1008
01:21:06,690 --> 01:21:08,270
So way back when, when they did this,

1009
01:21:08,330 --> 01:21:09,510
I was actually at a previous district,

1010
01:21:09,610 --> 01:21:13,890
so we're talking 20 years ago, when they set the amount

1011
01:21:13,890 --> 01:21:15,690
that we have to help.

1012
01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:19,530
For a while, they gave us a dollar amount to help for that,

1013
01:21:19,530 --> 01:21:20,870
but it's gone now.

1014
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:24,370
So they just soaked it up into it's now in our basic alignment.

1015
01:21:25,530 --> 01:21:28,270
It's no longer set aside as funds to help that.

1016
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:35,470
Okay, so let's talk about 2627.

1017
01:21:36,970 --> 01:21:37,690
Column's seek.

1018
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,660
Now, I want to say make it very clear.

1019
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,300
We continue to work with this and analyze it.

1020
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,020
David, Kristi and I, we meet weekly,

1021
01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:53,860
and we continue to make sure that we're using the most accurate estimates

1022
01:21:53,860 --> 01:21:56,220
as we get through this.

1023
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:57,920
And like every budget year,

1024
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:58,780
net state revenue,

1025
01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:59,700
circled in green,

1026
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:02,060
is the first major piece we have to estimate.

1027
01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:04,160
And like I presented in February,

1028
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,880
I estimated drop in net state revenue.

1029
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,140
And this is due to two major pieces of data.

1030
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,280
We continue to project an overall drop

1031
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,780
in a number of students that will be enrolled next year.

1032
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:17,380
And, as a reminder,

1033
01:22:17,580 --> 01:22:19,880
that whole harmless clauses that were set up in

1034
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:25,440
25, 26 are transitional in nature and are expected to face out eventually.

1035
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:29,860
Those permanent tax breaks that were offered to our property.

1036
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,180
Members, consumers, are supplemented with one-time hold harmless clause.

1037
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,480
So, I'm still estimating that same

1038
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:43,540
job, and comparing the two years. But now I want to talk about the total expenditures which

1039
01:22:43,540 --> 01:22:49,720
is in the brown circle. Since we've estimated that decrease in net state funding, we have

1040
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:54,480
to ensure that we are right-sizing our budget to account for that loss of students, which we just

1041
01:22:54,480 --> 01:23:00,880
talked about. I also want to make note that I asked all of Seniors staff to look at their central

1042
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,620
office operations and cut 10 percent, and they all did that.

1043
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:12,450
One thing I would like to note is that this estimated expenditure budget does not have a

1044
01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:14,490
raise budget at this time.

1045
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:22,900
Circle in red, I'm showing a use of fund balance of $23.7 million.

1046
01:23:23,780 --> 01:23:28,820
And that is using some available sources of funds that we maintained in other funds to support

1047
01:23:28,820 --> 01:23:33,120
this general fund budget that circled in purple of about $5.8 million.

1048
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:44,580
And example of that is we have rental fees that we've collected, maintained in another fund, outside the general fund.

1049
01:23:46,220 --> 01:23:49,900
That now we're going to use directly support this general fund.

1050
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:53,780
Kind of like some of those rainy day dollars that the state talks about.

1051
01:23:54,340 --> 01:23:58,080
I'm now tapping into those to use these funds going into this next year's budget.

1052
01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:09,160
So with the reduction expenditures and you can see this shows a $6 million decrease, that's again tied to staffing for lower number of students.

1053
01:24:11,810 --> 01:24:20,010
Use of other funds and with no raise being built in, we're still expected to drop fund balance to 17% at this time circled in blue.

1054
01:24:20,010 --> 01:24:23,470
As a reminder, we have a policy about fund balance.

1055
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:29,730
The exact wording in CE local policy is that it is the goal of the board to maintain the

1056
01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:33,630
fund balances of the general and debt service funds at an adequate level.

1057
01:24:34,570 --> 01:24:40,830
The level of adequacy for fund balances shall be 19% of the current budget for the general

1058
01:24:40,830 --> 01:24:41,490
fund.

1059
01:24:43,290 --> 01:24:47,610
This level of fund balance shall protect the district against potential revenue shortfalls

1060
01:24:47,610 --> 01:24:51,410
and shall provide operating funds until tax revenues are received.

1061
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:57,210
If the board determines that this level of fund balance is not obtainable in the proposed

1062
01:24:57,210 --> 01:25:02,370
budget being considered, it shall be the goal of the board to reach this level within

1063
01:25:02,370 --> 01:25:06,050
a specified period of time no longer than three years.

1064
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:08,250
That's how that policy reads.

1065
01:25:10,300 --> 01:25:15,140
So it does support a short term use of fund balance dropping below the 19%.

1066
01:25:15,140 --> 01:25:19,060
but should be re-established over no longer than 30 years.

1067
01:25:20,540 --> 01:25:22,520
It is critical not to drop too low

1068
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:26,140
or we will have to figure options for cash flow purposes in the future.

1069
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,220
One thing to note is we do normally end years better than planned.

1070
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,400
Remember my budget always assumes we receive every dollar

1071
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,500
and we spend every penny that's budgeted.

1072
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,100
So as we get closer to the end of this current year

1073
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:43,780
we will have more of an idea of where we will end

1074
01:25:43,780 --> 01:25:45,860
which is the starting point for next year.

1075
01:25:47,140 --> 01:25:49,560
But I don't believe we're going to find tens of millions of dollars,

1076
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:51,840
but it could improve this.

1077
01:25:52,700 --> 01:25:54,140
So as I explained to the findings,

1078
01:25:54,420 --> 01:25:57,040
ladies on last week, President Mayhand and Vice President Bennett,

1079
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,220
this is still an unfortunate effect of the state mandating

1080
01:26:01,220 --> 01:26:05,220
specific spending and truly not recognizing the inflationary pressures

1081
01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:07,580
that school districts continue to have.

1082
01:26:08,660 --> 01:26:11,100
Almost every day, there's a story about school district

1083
01:26:11,100 --> 01:26:13,520
and their own budget struggles.

1084
01:26:14,460 --> 01:26:16,040
As a matter of fact, I've seen some emails

1085
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,300
where CFOs are starting to talk about raises.

1086
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:24,280
And over half of them are in their comments are not sure

1087
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,960
how we can ever do a raise with our declining enrollment.

1088
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,680
My goal is to continue to work with our estimates

1089
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,160
of both revenues and expenditures and continue

1090
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:34,860
to refine this throughout the spring.

1091
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,360
But as you can see, we cannot continue to use fun balance

1092
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:39,200
at this level.

1093
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,460
And we have purposely used it in the past.

1094
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,760
I'm not discounting why we, and I was comfortable with it in the past.

1095
01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:50,420
Because think about it.

1096
01:26:50,540 --> 01:26:57,520
If we had a super hefty fund balance of 32%, how would anybody support cuts just to maintain that?

1097
01:26:58,060 --> 01:27:05,660
We use that fund balance to keep us moving as we wait to see what the legislature would do.

1098
01:27:05,660 --> 01:27:14,040
But we can't continue to use fund balances this level, and we will have to consider cuts over this next year of $20 to $25 million.

1099
01:27:17,060 --> 01:27:23,240
So on that grim note, open this up for any additional questions or comments.

1100
01:27:23,620 --> 01:27:25,740
I do have a question about other sources.

1101
01:27:26,420 --> 01:27:30,040
The way you were describing it, it sounds like that's something that has been accruing.

1102
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,400
So that's not going to be that amount every year going forward, correct?

1103
01:27:34,660 --> 01:27:36,560
Correct. It will be one time funding.

1104
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,680
Okay. Yes. Thank you.

1105
01:27:43,090 --> 01:27:44,150
Long those lines.

1106
01:27:45,650 --> 01:27:49,970
Your discussion about the policy regarding the use of the general fund,

1107
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:53,560
or the fund balance.

1108
01:27:56,250 --> 01:28:02,630
I know your chart goes as far out in the crystal ball to next year, but as we look beyond that,

1109
01:28:02,630 --> 01:28:08,310
I know we'll have a legislative session that will potentially come up, but I'm sorry.

1110
01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:11,770
I'm not optimistic about any better results than we've gotten.

1111
01:28:11,770 --> 01:28:23,330
So, any use of the fund balance below that 19 percent, also meeting the plan for three

1112
01:28:23,330 --> 01:28:24,150
or payback.

1113
01:28:24,730 --> 01:28:32,150
I mean, are you seeing or forecasting anything that would help provide any other relief

1114
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:37,610
aside from the state, somehow come into their senses and improving the funding?

1115
01:28:38,810 --> 01:28:48,810
Well, if we had an increase in student enrollment and they came in these perfect little spots in a district in certain classrooms, that would be fabulous, that would work.

1116
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:52,050
But increase enrollment would help.

1117
01:28:52,530 --> 01:28:55,590
Because so, however, that happens.

1118
01:28:55,690 --> 01:29:03,990
If there's an increase just because more people move to all areas of the district or focused programs, you know,

1119
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:10,770
can help, because I know we've talked about where we are allowing people from outside that

1120
01:29:10,770 --> 01:29:14,490
district come to some programs or schools we have.

1121
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:20,340
The unknowns are two things, Dr. Blings talked about the vouchers.

1122
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:29,720
We've seen all kinds of data that indicates that for well over half of the vouchers being

1123
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:34,120
asked for, it's being asked for by parents who already have their kids in private schools.

1124
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:42,020
But the point is it can you imagine what a billion dollars coming into public education could support?

1125
01:29:43,420 --> 01:29:49,600
And when you hear numbers like in the next five years it could be up to eight billion dollars.

1126
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,280
I'm sorry that's eight billion dollars being taken away from public education.

1127
01:29:53,540 --> 01:29:54,400
Plain and simple.

1128
01:29:56,460 --> 01:29:59,200
But we don't know that effect yet.

1129
01:29:59,200 --> 01:29:59,980
Because...

1130
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,260
Because we know there's this whole people have to be accepted into the school. They cannot be accepted

1131
01:30:07,260 --> 01:30:12,040
in the school. Did the money get to the school to begin with? And then do we get them back

1132
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:16,220
for the whole year, which we don't, because we only get them from when they started and became

1133
01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:23,680
part of our average daily attendance. And where are they coming on whatever level of whatever

1134
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,040
grades that they're coming in?

1135
01:30:28,130 --> 01:30:30,010
The other piece is the legislature.

1136
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:34,320
And that's a completely

1137
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:42,140
And when we have seen, when you saw some of the questions that were asked in the primary,

1138
01:30:42,140 --> 01:30:49,320
during the primary, on people went in and voted in their primary elections, you can see

1139
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:53,300
where I believe they're going to use that to focus their energy on.

1140
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,540
They believe they have put a lot of money and that they've solved problems for school districts.

1141
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:03,040
So, I wouldn't count on it being a great amount.

1142
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,880
So, that being said, assuming nothing changes.

1143
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:11,360
We run out of money.

1144
01:31:11,620 --> 01:31:13,760
We completely run out of money in three years.

1145
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:16,440
If we don't make these type of changes,

1146
01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:19,080
these cuts that need to happen over this next year.

1147
01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:25,780
Because that 20 to 25 million just makes this whole.

1148
01:31:25,780 --> 01:31:29,580
And it doesn't add back necessarily to that fund balance.

1149
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:34,180
And I've said this for a few years.

1150
01:31:35,460 --> 01:31:38,760
The only way districts across the state are coming

1151
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,080
able to give raises is by having cuts.

1152
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,480
If money isn't infused to allow for increased

1153
01:31:45,480 --> 01:31:48,790
dollars into the system.

1154
01:31:48,910 --> 01:31:52,070
And Christine, one of the things that made me want to just

1155
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:55,010
mention this for anyone that's here in anyone that's listening

1156
01:31:55,010 --> 01:31:56,290
when you're talking about the attendance.

1157
01:31:56,290 --> 01:32:01,730
There was a survey that went out to all of the parents in the community, as far as choice

1158
01:32:01,730 --> 01:32:02,130
goes.

1159
01:32:02,230 --> 01:32:06,830
And I think it's really important that you tell your friends and neighbors to complete

1160
01:32:06,830 --> 01:32:12,190
it because when we're looking at how to get creative and how to get competitive in this new

1161
01:32:12,190 --> 01:32:17,290
era of what education is looking like, it's really valuable to have that information coming

1162
01:32:17,290 --> 01:32:22,790
to us to let us know what we can do to be creative and try to attract more people.

1163
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:29,070
And they were going to try last time we spoke, we were talking about giving it out to people who are not currently enrolled, but do live in our district.

1164
01:32:29,650 --> 01:32:33,850
And so that's not just something that I hope people are passing over because it would be very helpful.

1165
01:32:36,490 --> 01:32:42,770
Because establishing a new program or a new type of campus to attract outside kids.

1166
01:32:43,050 --> 01:32:48,810
But because if they're within our district, all we're doing is moving. Kids around. It doesn't necessarily provide additional funds.

1167
01:32:48,810 --> 01:32:57,290
But keeping kids in our district that would look elsewhere is super important, as well as figuring out a way to attract kids from outside our district.

1168
01:32:57,690 --> 01:33:02,070
But I think one of the most important things we need to do is attract kids who already live in our district.

1169
01:33:02,710 --> 01:33:06,650
I mean, we have a lot of taxpayers that already live here and don't send their kids to our schools.

1170
01:33:06,970 --> 01:33:14,110
And so that, to me, that is the number one primary way to quickly increase funding to the district.

1171
01:33:14,110 --> 01:33:18,010
and that was going to be another question I had for you is what do we see as other options

1172
01:33:18,010 --> 01:33:21,870
to increase revenue besides just attracting more students? Are there any other things

1173
01:33:21,870 --> 01:33:23,710
that we can do proactively?

1174
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:30,240
I'm going to talk a little bit about attracting students though because one of the things we're

1175
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:39,240
going to look at, especially as the ANA movement, talk about what we've started talking about

1176
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:45,620
because our CTE got the re-building, whether or not there's capacity there to open up to kids

1177
01:33:45,620 --> 01:33:52,660
who aren't in our district, or attending our kids, excuse me, not attending our schools, but

1178
01:33:52,660 --> 01:33:57,880
that could access maybe some of the certification programs we have for a fee, making sure,

1179
01:33:58,660 --> 01:34:04,200
and because that is actually a way that we could tap into those voucher dollars, because

1180
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,620
they can use those funds to pay for things like that.

1181
01:34:07,620 --> 01:34:11,020
We have to become a vendor and a proven vendor.

1182
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,140
So let's say you have a home school student,

1183
01:34:13,460 --> 01:34:16,760
it's living in SPSD that wants to take culinary classes.

1184
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:19,320
All right, I like that I do.

1185
01:34:19,540 --> 01:34:22,800
What are the realities in terms of numbers that we can

1186
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,160
can backfill there at Guthrie?

1187
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:30,800
I couldn't begin to answer that, not knowing exactly where the club,

1188
01:34:30,820 --> 01:34:34,540
because it may not actually say it happens during the school day.

1189
01:34:34,540 --> 01:34:42,000
we may determine based on maybe some of these responses we get on the survey that would determine

1190
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:48,260
maybe and after hours program for a specific certification would be the best way to support

1191
01:34:48,260 --> 01:34:56,560
those. Because the other issue we have are kids attend every day. One of the issues behind

1192
01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:04,020
homeschool and some of those homeschool need schools, micro schools is that they're not attending.

1193
01:35:04,540 --> 01:35:11,360
every day. So how can we provide that service? So not I would say we're not ready to even know

1194
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:16,080
that yet but I've leaving that charge to Amy to figure out that we can hopefully implement

1195
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:22,300
that by going into next year. Another one may be and we've been approached about this is

1196
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:30,340
the pre-case school that we already offer in our available classroom space for the kids that

1197
01:35:30,340 --> 01:35:38,860
are defined as eligible, whether or not our school could be considered a private school

1198
01:35:38,860 --> 01:35:49,280
vendor, but there's still the TEA still hasn't finalized how our pre-case have to be partnered

1199
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:53,780
with other outside pre-case programs.

1200
01:35:53,940 --> 01:35:57,300
And we're still working through whether or not we would be grandfathered because we already

1201
01:35:57,300 --> 01:35:59,220
have ours in place, whereas sub-school districts

1202
01:35:59,220 --> 01:36:02,100
may not have a super strong pre-K program.

1203
01:36:02,660 --> 01:36:04,380
So that would be something that parents could use

1204
01:36:04,380 --> 01:36:05,660
that voucher money for as well.

1205
01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:10,460
And if we had space could then allow more people

1206
01:36:10,460 --> 01:36:11,760
to come in that are eligible.

1207
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,000
And so like this year, the voucher applications

1208
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,020
closed at the end of March, they were extended.

1209
01:36:18,180 --> 01:36:20,400
So I mean, we would have to know that well in advance.

1210
01:36:20,420 --> 01:36:23,340
So parents could apply for those vouchers,

1211
01:36:23,580 --> 01:36:24,880
potentially use them in our district.

1212
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:29,280
because there would be a process that we have to go through T.A. to be an approved vendor anyway.

1213
01:36:29,540 --> 01:36:31,360
And then we would tell that really last.

1214
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,120
Do we have any idea how long that process is?

1215
01:36:36,380 --> 01:36:40,160
I don't know, but I definitely want to talk to that school of Florida who got in on our Texas

1216
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:41,660
vouchers as an approved.

1217
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,400
But we could find out how that.

1218
01:36:44,740 --> 01:36:46,040
But we could find that out.

1219
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,080
I believe that happened kind of during the fall.

1220
01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:54,680
I'm looking at Anix and we talked about how the people had to know the private

1221
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,100
schools before the application opened up.

1222
01:36:57,220 --> 01:37:00,680
So I'd say by January the private schools knew if they were an approved vendor.

1223
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,480
And it was some more got added on.

1224
01:37:02,980 --> 01:37:05,500
But I think primarily by January the schools knew.

1225
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,600
So we definitely pushed it back during the fall.

1226
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,380
And then I'm, oh, sorry to hear it.

1227
01:37:11,420 --> 01:37:13,520
I was just, and this may be jumping the gun.

1228
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,080
Because I know you talked about, you know,

1229
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:19,360
you asked everyone to cut 10% and we came up with,

1230
01:37:19,380 --> 01:37:20,300
what is that six million?

1231
01:37:21,260 --> 01:37:21,620
Right?

1232
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,100
That's not getting us very far.

1233
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:25,640
So what are our next steps look like?

1234
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,660
It's next of six million includes.

1235
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:38,120
The reduction happened because of the less students as well as the 10% cuts across our central office.

1236
01:37:39,140 --> 01:37:44,360
Came to still, what are the next steps for making our deficit smaller going forward?

1237
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:45,300
What else was left to cut?

1238
01:37:45,380 --> 01:37:45,700
Right.

1239
01:37:46,340 --> 01:37:47,000
Yeah, there you go.

1240
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:47,700
Let's just be direct.

1241
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:50,020
What else is that?

1242
01:37:50,020 --> 01:37:59,420
I mean, we have to look at efficiencies across the district campuses that might be super small.

1243
01:37:59,420 --> 01:38:08,800
We have to, I think it's important to see what happens with enrollment comes September, I think this is a process that will start in August, as early as August.

1244
01:38:10,180 --> 01:38:18,180
I think every program is on the table for how, you know, that has to balance between a required to serve and how we're serving it.

1245
01:38:18,580 --> 01:38:21,880
Can things happen at campus levels versus at central levels?

1246
01:38:23,860 --> 01:38:30,720
can some of our specialized programs be increased in a way that can attract more students

1247
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,740
into the system?

1248
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:40,340
So really what I'm worried about is that we don't cut enough this year and we're kicking

1249
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:41,740
the can down the road.

1250
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:50,040
Is there anything more we can do this year to make things leaner so that we're not doing

1251
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:56,680
below that 17%, make cuts from 20, from column B to column C, from 26, I mean,

1252
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:03,520
we know that 26, 27, we're dipping to 17% and then the next year, we don't have

1253
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:08,460
any words to go. So does it be who us to make some more cuts for this coming year so

1254
01:39:08,460 --> 01:39:13,500
that, like less in the blow? Right. So yeah, I'm not just making waiting next year to

1255
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:16,560
for the, for the, for the gear team to drop.

1256
01:39:19,260 --> 01:39:23,440
Well, from my perspective, yes, it'd be great to make additional cuts to this.

1257
01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:28,400
But with timing of when contracts are coming to you all,

1258
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:35,900
those discussions, it's a year-long process that need to happen before

1259
01:39:35,900 --> 01:39:37,760
some of those discussions would happen.

1260
01:39:37,780 --> 01:39:41,040
Some of them will be, can be shorter, shorter done.

1261
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:47,020
One of the things, for instance, I've talked with my own departments, that if you get a vacancy

1262
01:39:47,020 --> 01:39:49,820
now, you're not automatically filling it.

1263
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:55,680
We're going to talk now, so I think, like potentially, not at the teacher level,

1264
01:39:57,980 --> 01:39:58,220
because

1265
01:39:58,220 --> 01:40:05,040
it was stay away from that, but any vacancy across the board actually needs to be discussed and

1266
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:08,080
approved before gets filled.

1267
01:40:10,440 --> 01:40:14,160
The other thing is just ensuring that we're implementing

1268
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,540
the required, any required raises, for instance,

1269
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:21,620
that TEA provided to us that we ensure that we're coding

1270
01:40:21,620 --> 01:40:26,080
everybody correctly so that we get the money to handle

1271
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:26,940
those raises.

1272
01:40:28,140 --> 01:40:31,800
Superfocus on students' data to make sure that we're getting

1273
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:39,020
every bit we should get from the state, for those types of students.

1274
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:46,540
I mean, part of why we're dipping down to the 17% is because of the change in the states,

1275
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:49,420
methodology, how they're implementing one of their whole harmless.

1276
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,100
It's possible that money is going to come back

1277
01:40:54,430 --> 01:40:56,690
on this new form, the new process by which

1278
01:40:56,690 --> 01:40:57,770
we submit that data.

1279
01:40:57,910 --> 01:41:01,690
And I hope I can have that, I'm going to be spent, well, we're sitting time in that

1280
01:41:01,690 --> 01:41:04,590
over the next couple of months, and so I can talk to that possibility.

1281
01:41:05,170 --> 01:41:10,450
So we'll use that we won't know by June when we have to vote on the new budget, right?

1282
01:41:11,530 --> 01:41:17,790
If I feel strong that the estimate is there, I would put it in the accrual for the money

1283
01:41:17,790 --> 01:41:21,430
set are coming in for this year and next year.

1284
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:25,010
I would put it in that if I could feel strongly about that.

1285
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:48,590
So yes, there's opportunities but to find 25 million, it's going to take a deeper dive than a real quick, but there are potentially some, and I believe primarily focusing on vacancies and ensuring that every vacancy must be filled or does it get handled differently.

1286
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:50,110
do we disperse those duties?

1287
01:41:50,710 --> 01:41:55,990
Because as I've told my staff, it will be easier to get rid of an empty chair than a person sitting in that chair.

1288
01:41:57,370 --> 01:42:03,450
But make to be very clear, these will be cuts that are felt.

1289
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:05,410
We felt the other cuts.

1290
01:42:05,570 --> 01:42:09,030
Yeah, if my thing about this too simply, but

1291
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:12,710
$380 million and 85% of that is

1292
01:42:15,740 --> 01:42:22,100
So you're talking about $55 million that we could look at to cut $25.

1293
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:24,780
Without touching staff.

1294
01:42:24,900 --> 01:42:26,880
Everything outside of staffing.

1295
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:29,980
I mean, that's an impossible equation.

1296
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,800
That's the electricity, the gas for the buses, the water bill.

1297
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:38,700
So it's cut half of the budget that we have to actually make decisions

1298
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:41,220
other than people.

1299
01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:47,140
And then the only way to then diving to that is to look at how we provide services.

1300
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:54,960
When you mention, there's required services versus services that we offer that we don't

1301
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:55,900
have to.

1302
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:01,360
So what do you probably don't have those numbers, like what are the,

1303
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:05,540
I don't, but I can tell you

1304
01:43:05,540 --> 01:43:10,240
like an example in the past is we have to provide bilingual services, so we've made decisions

1305
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:16,860
to only do them at certain campuses, or when a campus falls and there's only less than 20

1306
01:43:16,860 --> 01:43:22,340
kids across a campus, it makes sense to move that program and combine it with a larger

1307
01:43:22,340 --> 01:43:27,080
bilingual program in another campus. So that's a required service, so would be that type of

1308
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:34,680
thing. It would be, that's probably the only thing I can think of, but going back to the master

1309
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:40,320
schedule. If you only have 10 kids and one campus in this class over here and 10 over here,

1310
01:43:40,860 --> 01:43:46,540
how can we share a teacher? And what type of hybrid can it look like? Can it be online?

1311
01:43:46,660 --> 01:43:52,360
Half the week over here with the teacher at the other campus and switch, you know, so they each

1312
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:58,020
get, you know, true face time with the teacher. Of course, then I'm going to be totally

1313
01:43:58,020 --> 01:44:01,980
going to an area that the high school and schools were telling, I don't know what I'm talking about,

1314
01:44:01,980 --> 01:44:04,240
but it's those types of things to look at.

1315
01:44:04,440 --> 01:44:05,460
This is going to have to look at it.

1316
01:44:05,460 --> 01:44:07,500
Yes, and it looks like that in college, not anyway.

1317
01:44:10,970 --> 01:44:14,030
I also think, and this is unpopular, but I'm going to say it,

1318
01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:17,250
you know, where we have declining enrollment,

1319
01:44:17,490 --> 01:44:19,590
we're going to have to look at what our enrollment is in August,

1320
01:44:19,710 --> 01:44:22,190
and if we have schools that are very, very small,

1321
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:25,550
and we can consolidate, we will have to do that.

1322
01:44:25,570 --> 01:44:26,630
And that means closing schools.

1323
01:44:26,770 --> 01:44:27,890
I'm just putting it out there.

1324
01:44:28,050 --> 01:44:31,590
It's not popular, but you're watching it happen all over the place.

1325
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:49,030
In fact, TEA just did a request for, and you can talk a little more about this, and I want to know how we're using all of our facilities, and are we being efficient, and there's a whole litany of forms we have to fill out, and send in to TEA, that is a mountain of information that's going to take a whole lot of people to get it done.

1326
01:44:50,890 --> 01:44:58,750
But when we put a number on that, I mean it may not be fair, but if you were to close a middle school right now, it would save you how many?

1327
01:44:58,750 --> 01:44:59,970
I've got a million and a half to know.

1328
01:45:00,140 --> 01:45:25,820
A million to a million and a half. Well, from now on, yeah, it would be recurring. Yes. I mean, if I took, I would, yes. But what I was, and so, but let me, so to, to interject, sorry for just a minute. So would we consider choice programming? Should that go before a school or how does, how do we prioritize where what needs to go first to save some of those dollars?

1329
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,300
I think that you're plea for the start.

1330
01:45:32,980 --> 01:45:34,820
Let's talk about, I'll give you an example.

1331
01:45:35,660 --> 01:45:37,060
It looks like a corner standard academy.

1332
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:40,160
Corner standard academy has an enrollment of just over 400 now,

1333
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:42,140
because we increase their enrollment if you guys recall.

1334
01:45:42,740 --> 01:45:45,760
There is a waiting list of equally as many kids.

1335
01:45:46,740 --> 01:45:50,900
Now, those kids, probably three quarters of them.

1336
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:53,160
I don't want to quote me on the number.

1337
01:45:53,420 --> 01:45:55,640
Go away to head and went to their zone middle school.

1338
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,040
But there's a chunk of them that did not.

1339
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:03,840
So you would have to ask yourself, would it be prudent to not offer cornerstone where you

1340
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:08,860
have all these parents that want this program, or would you be better off to figure out how

1341
01:46:09,620 --> 01:46:17,460
to build that program and bring more kids in on the flip side you could have, I'm so cornerstones

1342
01:46:17,460 --> 01:46:19,920
in middle school because it's stay with a middle school example.

1343
01:46:20,340 --> 01:46:24,920
If you have a middle school that has very low enrollment and we just talked about trending

1344
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:29,920
enrollment patterns and the training enrollment pattern is down, would you keep that enrollment?

1345
01:46:30,140 --> 01:46:35,360
Would you keep that middle school open? Or would you consolidate and find a way to build

1346
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:39,960
something parents are demanding? So that's how we have to look at this now. And so it's not

1347
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:45,900
popular, but this is the competitive game we're having to play. The state is spending three

1348
01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:50,920
educated. It's a part of the problem. You've got three strands of education that three

1349
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:52,700
different systems that they're funding right now.

1350
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,280
They're funding charter schools, which is a different

1351
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:55,980
funding formula.

1352
01:46:56,620 --> 01:46:59,820
You're funding public schools and you're now going to

1353
01:46:59,820 --> 01:47:00,920
fund vouchers.

1354
01:47:01,260 --> 01:47:04,540
And you just can't be done.

1355
01:47:04,940 --> 01:47:07,000
So that's, I mean, it can't be done, but it's going to

1356
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:07,640
come at a cost.

1357
01:47:07,900 --> 01:47:10,840
So the other thing I was going to say is that we're going to

1358
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:12,200
have to also look at it.

1359
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:13,980
They're going to have to look at how we increase our revenue.

1360
01:47:14,140 --> 01:47:16,920
And so this is not a short term solution, but it is a

1361
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:17,880
long term solution.

1362
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:22,380
And the good news is that property in spring branch is very valuable.

1363
01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:28,640
And so would we look at some of our properties that we have, you know, you could always

1364
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:34,000
sell a property, which may or may not want to do, depending on how much it's worth, or

1365
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,940
do you groundly support property, which is the car conversations that we've had with some

1366
01:47:37,940 --> 01:47:42,980
of our parents in our community that have knowledge of how that process works, and we've

1367
01:47:42,980 --> 01:47:47,220
had several conversations about that, which would be reoccurring income.

1368
01:47:47,220 --> 01:47:52,240
So, I mean, I think that you have to, you know, we're going to look at the cut side of it,

1369
01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:54,040
but I think you just made a really good point.

1370
01:47:54,180 --> 01:47:59,280
The cuts are only, you can only go so far, you know, so we're going to have to also look at

1371
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:04,400
how we're smart with what we have, what are parents demanding, what can we provide more

1372
01:48:04,820 --> 01:48:07,700
of knowing it may require us to cut something else.

1373
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:12,180
So, again, those will not necessarily be popular decisions with people

1374
01:48:12,180 --> 01:48:20,120
that whose school is closed, but that is how we have to look at this and T.E.A. is asking

1375
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:28,880
us to write size our campuses and we now have a whole bunch of forms to fill out for them

1376
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,120
to see how we're using our campuses.

1377
01:48:31,480 --> 01:48:31,660
We did.

1378
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:37,660
We just heard from T.E.A. and it's a huge spreadsheet they want every building, every building,

1379
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:38,960
what it's used for.

1380
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:47,220
So not just schools, we'll have to figure, they want to know how many rooms, how many classrooms

1381
01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:55,920
they have, how many enrollment data, all this data, and it will be used against us.

1382
01:48:56,100 --> 01:48:57,580
So they're going to try and dictate.

1383
01:48:57,960 --> 01:48:58,440
Absolutely.

1384
01:48:58,700 --> 01:48:59,440
Yeah, that's what they're getting.

1385
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:00,760
Yeah, that's what they're getting.

1386
01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:02,400
That's absolutely what they're getting it for.

1387
01:49:02,700 --> 01:49:06,920
I mean, we cannot submit it, but I don't know if you guys are hearing about that school district,

1388
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:10,340
that's going to have a takeover because they're not handling self-impulsively the right

1389
01:49:10,340 --> 01:49:10,660
side.

1390
01:49:10,860 --> 01:49:14,480
So I think it's not responding, and I do not recommend for a district.

1391
01:49:15,580 --> 01:49:15,800
So, so.

1392
01:49:16,500 --> 01:49:20,720
Countess of the point, Chris made, you know, if we're looking at the portion of the budget that

1393
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:27,660
has $55 million worth of expenditures, and those I think you alluded to, those are fixed

1394
01:49:27,660 --> 01:49:30,940
cost areas, areas based on your comments in the beginning.

1395
01:49:32,300 --> 01:49:40,440
Those are the costs that are going up just due to inflationary forecast, and yet the think

1396
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:47,160
of us being able to make the cuts that are needed to that area is, you know, I mean,

1397
01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:48,620
I don't see the cuts.

1398
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:55,960
I don't see the number being enough to move the needs that fix our shortfall just with cuts

1399
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:56,360
in there.

1400
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:58,440
We will not do with how to fix that.

1401
01:49:58,440 --> 01:50:25,680
But what the part that if there is any encouragement that I'm hearing in this discussion is the thoughts around increasing revenues and that's an area where I know we've had some discussion, but I think that's an area that we're going to have to really, really direct some energy, whether it be capturing more students who are already reside in our district, students who are living outside the district, increased choice programs.

1402
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:36,400
I mean, those going to be the areas where it seems like we have the potential to create some help and some relief in this formula.

1403
01:50:37,060 --> 01:50:40,380
And I think that I want to make sure you get a chance to say.

1404
01:50:40,660 --> 01:50:50,280
But one of the up to just to, you know, in terms of the survey, like somebody might be thinking to themselves, why on earth are they sending a survey out, asking about choice programs when you don't have any money?

1405
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:53,740
Well, the answer to that is we have to rethink how we're doing business.

1406
01:50:53,740 --> 01:50:56,220
And we have to rethink the programs that we're offering.

1407
01:50:56,440 --> 01:50:58,500
We have to figure out what are our parents demanding,

1408
01:50:58,740 --> 01:51:00,080
what are they wanting, if they're leaving,

1409
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:01,920
why are they leaving, what are they leaving for?

1410
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:03,440
Can we provide those programs?

1411
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:05,060
Where can we shift?

1412
01:51:05,380 --> 01:51:07,720
Where can we take property that's not being used anymore

1413
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:08,520
and use it differently?

1414
01:51:08,700 --> 01:51:09,920
Are ground lease that are sell it?

1415
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,440
I mean, it's more of a business model, honestly.

1416
01:51:13,780 --> 01:51:16,500
And that's just something, I mean, I, you know,

1417
01:51:16,620 --> 01:51:18,400
not something, those of us that are educators

1418
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:21,340
around this table necessarily have experience

1419
01:51:21,340 --> 01:51:23,580
in all of those things, but we have an amazing,

1420
01:51:25,260 --> 01:51:31,260
partners and business community and many of you all sitting around the table are not educators

1421
01:51:31,260 --> 01:51:36,780
of you are business people and you will be in pivotal in those conversations to help us

1422
01:51:36,780 --> 01:51:42,140
figure out how we change the way we do business. So if you're asking yourself not you all

1423
01:51:42,140 --> 01:51:45,920
but if you're listening you're asking why on earth are you asking about adding stuff it's not

1424
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:52,540
really about adding stuff. It's about changing what we're doing to accommodate people wanting

1425
01:51:52,540 --> 01:51:53,420
to come here.

1426
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:57,720
I was in a say, just make sure I think it's so important people thought that survey.

1427
01:51:57,960 --> 01:51:58,780
I'm glad you said that.

1428
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:03,140
I think I think change is exciting and I think it's great to see new things happen sometimes

1429
01:52:03,140 --> 01:52:06,980
really good things come out of this and I think we have to stay positive, especially.

1430
01:52:08,260 --> 01:52:11,680
I don't know, parents have gone kids, just you know, if you feel that survey out and we do

1431
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:14,260
know kind of where people want to go, it is very helpful.

1432
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:21,240
And I think we need to in the future discuss private funding and what we are going to allow

1433
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:25,320
outside people to find, and what we're not, I think we need to get both specific on that.

1434
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:29,980
I know, I mean, I want to do a bunker hole in elementary and the PTA paid myself, very soon.

1435
01:52:30,300 --> 01:52:44,900
I think we need to get down to any gritty on that and decide what we want to do, and I do think that we have lots of opportunities with marketing, but I mean, it's out there. We just need to go get it.

1436
01:52:45,220 --> 01:52:48,760
When is this serve? When does the survey close again? Can we remind the public?

1437
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:57,220
Yes, the survey will close on the 22nd and we will have a reminder going out this week and a reminder going out on Monday.

1438
01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:03,760
We've already had close to 900 people take the survey and both English and Spanish, and that was as of 11 o'clock this morning.

1439
01:53:04,580 --> 01:53:10,720
So we're very pleased with the number of families who just didn't like five days have taken the survey.

1440
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:14,780
So we'll keep pushing and trying to get that number up as high as we can.

1441
01:53:14,780 --> 01:53:19,620
Christine, you talked about, we've talked about parents, we've talked about staffing, increasing revenue.

1442
01:53:20,300 --> 01:53:26,820
I want to talk about what is our process when it comes to planning and staffing and elementary campus?

1443
01:53:27,180 --> 01:53:34,120
So I have two little elementary kids in my house, I hear often, PTA leaders from across the school district will say,

1444
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:39,100
we're losing a pair, we're getting this, we're losing this head count, we're adding this head count.

1445
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:45,180
For transparency sake, how does that process start at our elementary schools?

1446
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,320
So it starts with the projection of students.

1447
01:53:48,980 --> 01:53:52,780
And then we have staffing, allocations, all the way down.

1448
01:53:53,440 --> 01:53:56,540
Number one, a school gets a principal.

1449
01:53:57,480 --> 01:54:01,860
And then based on number of students, they either get one, using elementary as example.

1450
01:54:01,860 --> 01:54:04,660
I get one or two APs.

1451
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:14,300
the counselors. We changed the counseling model last year and so we've got some that are

1452
01:54:14,300 --> 01:54:21,040
coming out of title because they are at risk counselors. They may have a different definition

1453
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:26,420
of the duties that they perform or they have to focus on. And then we had essential counseling

1454
01:54:26,420 --> 01:54:34,640
model for campuses that don't have access to those funds. Then we get down to other positions

1455
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:41,180
I won't have this exact but you know teachers based on 24 to 1 for non for everything

1456
01:54:41,180 --> 01:54:49,920
fourth grade and below and fifth grade is 27 to 1. That's how the teachers are staffed and

1457
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:56,580
then Paris are staffed based on some number of students and I just don't have that memorized and

1458
01:54:56,580 --> 01:55:02,060
that's something we could get Brian to provide. So Paris are based on another number and then

1459
01:55:02,060 --> 01:55:09,580
other head counts, music, art, STEM, PGP, that's all based off of just overall.

1460
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:14,400
Some of them get them automatically because they're school and some may get more because

1461
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:15,420
of their counts.

1462
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,860
So every school gets a music teacher in our teacher and health fitness teacher.

1463
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:23,780
But if they reach a certain threshold, like over about 750, they may get a point five,

1464
01:55:24,060 --> 01:55:29,360
like a, so music teacher may split between two campuses or they might just teach, you know,

1465
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:33,560
part-time. The paraprofessionals a lot of times are allocate. You'll get a certain number of

1466
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:38,500
pairs to run the front office and do those kinds of essential functions. If you're on a

1467
01:55:38,500 --> 01:55:44,840
campus that has a high bilingual population or high EB population, you may get a paraprofessional

1468
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:50,020
or two to address the needs of those students and or like the L-PACS, which is like

1469
01:55:50,020 --> 01:55:53,680
the, it's like the, thank you.

1470
01:55:55,120 --> 01:56:03,460
Yes, it's the committee that determines the needs and the placement of the student, so there's paperwork that goes with that, so you could get a paraprofessional that addresses some of those.

1471
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:04,600
Okay, so that might be.

1472
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:08,900
It depends if you could be losing parents because your student count has gone down.

1473
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:18,400
So yeah, sort of a student, if we have a school that's losing their EV population, they might be losing a parent or even two for next year, right?

1474
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:26,300
And then you mentioned the councilors, so we're still going forward with the model, where the title 1 campuses,

1475
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:32,020
we're using federal dollars to fund their counseling positions, and then we're asking the community to cover.

1476
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:32,520
No.

1477
01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:33,180
No.

1478
01:56:33,180 --> 01:56:35,140
We have essential counseling programs.

1479
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:39,660
Some campuses don't like that.

1480
01:56:40,100 --> 01:56:46,060
And so community members have chosen to raise funds to have a specific counselor at their campus every day.

1481
01:56:46,060 --> 01:56:51,780
We did not ask the community to do so this central counseling program and then

1482
01:56:53,260 --> 01:56:55,440
Those positions are still

1483
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,220
Responsible for testing

1484
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:00,500
Responsibilities on campus a portion

1485
01:57:00,500 --> 01:57:02,700
A portion of it. Where is that?

1486
01:57:02,700 --> 01:57:08,380
I don't know. Sorry depends on the depends on the schools. If you have a centralized counselor and I

1487
01:57:08,380 --> 01:57:12,440
And I want to say I understand why the parents don't like the model. I don't really care for either

1488
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:15,480
Right, but it is what it is. That's the only way we could make sure

1489
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:18,060
that every school had access to a counselor.

1490
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:20,760
Can you explain this centralized model for the community?

1491
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:22,540
I can't really explain this because some people probably don't know.

1492
01:57:22,780 --> 01:57:25,180
Yes, so you're going to have to make sure I say that.

1493
01:57:25,540 --> 01:57:31,160
So when you're using federal funds, you cannot supplant.

1494
01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:37,960
So that means what that means is you cannot have a position across the system at every campus,

1495
01:57:38,380 --> 01:57:42,540
and use federal dollars to pay for it on campuses with lots of low income kids,

1496
01:57:42,540 --> 01:57:50,000
and use general fund dollars to pay for it on campuses without low income and they're doing the same job.

1497
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:55,020
So with the same job description, same job title, you can't that's illegal.

1498
01:57:55,700 --> 01:58:02,620
So what you can do is you can create, you can use your title funds to create like an app risk account,

1499
01:58:02,860 --> 01:58:07,560
you call it an app risk counselor and they're providing services for those kids because they are at risk

1500
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:11,280
and the needs that come with that population of student,

1501
01:58:11,940 --> 01:58:13,720
and we can pay for those out of federal funds

1502
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:16,360
because those campuses largely have low-income kids.

1503
01:58:16,900 --> 01:58:19,740
You cannot use those dollars at a campus

1504
01:58:19,740 --> 01:58:22,980
that does not have a large number of low-income kids.

1505
01:58:23,740 --> 01:58:27,100
And you cannot have an at-risk counselor there.

1506
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:29,660
It has to have a different function.

1507
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:33,700
And the different location is a lot of rules

1508
01:58:33,700 --> 01:58:36,360
I could go down a rabbit hole, but essentially,

1509
01:58:36,360 --> 01:59:01,040
The only way we could do that and make sure everybody had a counselor was to provide the at-risk counselor at the campus for the Taiwan campuses and then take the general fund and create what we call like a cadre of counselors that are funded centrally, so they're not funded to get tied to the campus because that would be supplanting their tied centrally and they're deployed to the campuses.

1510
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:08,900
is now we try to make sure, and Tyrah Walker is in the audience here, we try to make sure that

1511
01:59:08,900 --> 01:59:14,060
you don't have to come forward. I've got this one. We try to make sure of centralized

1512
01:59:14,060 --> 01:59:18,460
counselors deployed to the same campus. Right. But you might want to sort of be correct,

1513
01:59:18,460 --> 01:59:24,140
but that isn't always happened. And so it was a way for us to leverage the dollars and

1514
01:59:24,140 --> 01:59:28,800
provide everybody a counselor. And the reason we did that was because for those of

1515
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:30,860
who have been here for ever in a day.

1516
01:59:31,320 --> 01:59:35,640
When we cut the, made the huge breads,

1517
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,720
budget cuts in 2011, that some of you guys

1518
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:40,460
probably had smaller, my, our kids were smaller,

1519
01:59:40,780 --> 01:59:42,540
but they were now in elementary school.

1520
01:59:43,180 --> 01:59:46,040
We took our, what we did was we took all the elementary counselors,

1521
01:59:46,660 --> 01:59:48,160
and we cut the group of them in half.

1522
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:50,460
We just said, you get, there's half the counselors,

1523
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:52,780
and each counselor services, two counselor services.

1524
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,240
And when I tell you, it was the worst decision we've ever made

1525
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:59,640
In this district, it leveranks in the top five. It was terrible.

1526
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,180
A train wreck, nothing got done. Nobody got services. And I said to myself, if I was ever in a decision making situation, that I would never, ever, ever recommend that again. That's how bad it was if you were here. Was in Annie's position at the time and managing it was an absolute nightmare. And nobody really got anything done. So we were not going to do that again. And we know elementary schools have to have a counselor. And so this was a way for them to have a counselor, although not preferred,

1527
02:00:29,180 --> 02:00:31,260
It still provides the service.

1528
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:32,020
So is this maybe?

1529
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:33,020
One second.

1530
02:00:33,020 --> 02:00:33,520
One second.

1531
02:00:33,780 --> 02:00:34,340
I'm sorry to interrupt.

1532
02:00:34,580 --> 02:00:36,340
I just need to note something for Stacy.

1533
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:37,260
This is just procedural.

1534
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:40,480
I have an unavoidable conflict that I have to step out for.

1535
02:00:40,700 --> 02:00:41,560
And so care, I suppose.

1536
02:00:41,660 --> 02:00:42,200
Oh, I'm sorry.

1537
02:00:42,540 --> 02:00:43,260
And so, Caroline.

1538
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:43,960
I'm sorry.

1539
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:45,680
She's going to take over.

1540
02:00:45,900 --> 02:00:47,020
So can you just note that?

1541
02:00:47,140 --> 02:00:47,560
And I'm sorry.

1542
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:49,100
So.

1543
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:49,960
Thank you, Shannon.

1544
02:00:50,020 --> 02:00:54,060
Is this why some campuses, the testing responsibilities,

1545
02:00:54,060 --> 02:00:56,680
might be done by Councillor and some campuses.

1546
02:00:56,860 --> 02:00:58,400
Maybe they're done by an assistant principal.

1547
02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:06,760
might be correct. Because you probably as an elementary principal, you're not going to turn

1548
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:13,540
the testing responsibilities, which is a large job, a very technical and you mess something

1549
02:01:13,540 --> 02:01:17,220
up on your state testing and you talk about a take over, you'll have a whole other issue

1550
02:01:17,220 --> 02:01:22,220
on your hands. So you really need somebody that's at the campus full time, and so that's

1551
02:01:22,220 --> 02:01:26,300
why you'll see some campuses have the counselor doing it because they have funded their

1552
02:01:26,300 --> 02:01:32,380
and they can do that. If you're a campus that has a centralized counselor, if you're the

1553
02:01:32,380 --> 02:01:36,940
PTA's paying for a counselor, they may give them those duties they may not. Some schools

1554
02:01:36,940 --> 02:01:42,220
will trade units and create what we call a case worker. It's a testing, essentially testing

1555
02:01:42,220 --> 02:01:46,400
coordinator. Some of our campuses have that. And or they've used their own title funds

1556
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:52,120
to fund that. So you'll see a variety of different structures for how they handle testing.

1557
02:01:52,120 --> 02:02:07,560
Because you bring up another good point. I'm going trade trading units. So that's when let's say we tell a campus principal, a here's two pairs and they might say a instead of two pairs. I want to have a half of a teacher half of a teacher or a counselor or a stem teacher.

1558
02:02:07,700 --> 02:02:17,780
Do we make those decisions like do y'all make that or did the principals have autonomy to make that autonomy our principals have quite a bit of autonomy. Yes, they're staffing. Yes, they do.

1559
02:02:17,780 --> 02:02:22,240
Okay, I just feel like some people in the community, some of these school supporting organizations

1560
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:23,620
are just kind of starting to get a little-

1561
02:02:23,620 --> 02:02:25,800
I mean, these are great questions.

1562
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:27,360
I mean, they really are.

1563
02:02:27,500 --> 02:02:32,800
I mean, this is when we talk about being creative, this is what we're talking about.

1564
02:02:33,300 --> 02:02:35,840
And then a lot of schools have reached out to parents.

1565
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:38,640
Please start your re-enrollment information.

1566
02:02:39,180 --> 02:02:47,340
When are parents and teachers and campus principals going to find out, you know, the staffing allocations?

1567
02:02:47,340 --> 02:02:49,520
to have them. So they're finalized.

1568
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:50,560
They got them in March.

1569
02:02:50,820 --> 02:02:52,500
And March, okay.

1570
02:02:54,000 --> 02:03:04,240
Walker, they will get preliminary staffing usually in December, which is really early, but we try to give it to them, especially at the high school level, because they're trying to do a master schedule, and they need time to do it.

1571
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:14,320
We'll give them preliminary staffing in December, knowing that they make the print, and then we give the principal an amount of time for which the principal can come forward.

1572
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:20,400
they usually do this with Brian and Christine, they'll say, I think my

1573
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:25,300
enrollment, I think my projections are off and third grade, let's say. And I believe I'm

1574
02:03:25,300 --> 02:03:31,480
going to have, I've got this many in a classroom but I've had another 15 more kids who

1575
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:37,800
have come and they have their moving in. We've seen the paperwork for the home and they're

1576
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:44,080
going to be here and so if they can, if they can prove that then we may alter their

1577
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,500
they're teaching allocations at the US.

1578
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:48,800
The principal has some time to come to us and say,

1579
02:03:48,900 --> 02:03:53,040
I don't agree, or lobby for things,

1580
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:55,260
and we take very hard look at all of that.

1581
02:03:55,380 --> 02:03:57,680
We've been very conservative this year,

1582
02:03:58,020 --> 02:04:00,900
and not given a lot of units until we see what we say,

1583
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:01,600
the whites of the eyes.

1584
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:02,660
Yeah, and that's kind of what we're doing.

1585
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:05,960
Yeah, so it's much, much tighter,

1586
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:07,400
but we do give them that opportunity,

1587
02:04:07,620 --> 02:04:09,540
but they have their final staffing.

1588
02:04:09,740 --> 02:04:11,120
So then what about navigating this?

1589
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:13,060
What I'll call like a triangle relationship.

1590
02:04:13,060 --> 02:04:36,460
If you have the, you know, the PTA funding some positions, the campus district needs, the, the principal, you know, has some authority of their campus, is there, is there any framework in place for, for PTAs to kind of get some feedback on really, what they're funding, like if they're funding a math intervention list, can we tell the PTAs, they put out this many students for this many hours.

1591
02:04:36,460 --> 02:04:39,440
You should be able to make sure to get that from friends about that.

1592
02:04:39,440 --> 02:04:41,120
I used to have to report that too.

1593
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:42,720
We had that at Frostwood.

1594
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:45,360
Every year, when before we do our PTA budget,

1595
02:04:45,540 --> 02:04:48,360
we would say, how many kids were serviced?

1596
02:04:48,540 --> 02:04:50,040
How many kids were pulled out?

1597
02:04:50,140 --> 02:04:51,740
What were the weekly schedules like?

1598
02:04:52,380 --> 02:04:54,240
That should come from the PTA.

1599
02:04:54,260 --> 02:04:54,640
Yeah, that's great.

1600
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:58,560
Because I feel like we want our PTAs to put in a lot of the PTAs.

1601
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:02,740
Some of these campuses, and I want to make sure that the PTAs are feeling valued and appreciated,

1602
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,600
but also getting some feedback on the time.

1603
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:18,880
It kind of goes to a principle may realize it's not math, that's their primary focus, it's now reading and so they need to be able to communicate that and the PTA understand that that might need to be a change of resources.

1604
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:26,760
Well, and the way it was worked, I actually understood it as the district now owns that unit is that correct.

1605
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:33,700
So the principle can decide what that's used for, not the PTA, even though they're funding it at some point they can change it.

1606
02:05:34,180 --> 02:05:40,380
I think sometimes we need to remind some PTAs that the principal needs to be able to make the appropriate changes.

1607
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:42,220
And sometimes that's a tough conversation.

1608
02:05:42,760 --> 02:05:43,260
It's very tough.

1609
02:05:43,580 --> 02:05:46,620
Yeah, I'm not just going to want our PTAs to feel like they're just a piggy bank.

1610
02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:48,480
I'm going to have some buy-in and some input.

1611
02:05:49,060 --> 02:05:53,020
I mean, PTAs, I would be asking that question if I'm giving money to fund a physician.

1612
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:57,200
I mean, that's, I mean, I would hope that if we need to revisit that with our principles,

1613
02:05:57,500 --> 02:06:02,220
we can absolutely remind them that they should be communicating with their PTAs

1614
02:06:02,220 --> 02:06:10,320
the success of a position if it's helpful, not helpful, and what might be what a more helpful

1615
02:06:11,630 --> 02:06:13,010
use of those people.

1616
02:06:13,010 --> 02:06:13,150
Right.

1617
02:06:14,110 --> 02:06:17,970
We've funded an extra science teacher, but I feel like next year we need to work on math.

1618
02:06:19,490 --> 02:06:23,550
Some of these PTA staffing budgets are getting pretty large.

1619
02:06:24,010 --> 02:06:27,650
There's even some PTAs that are talking about operating that deficit budgets next year

1620
02:06:27,650 --> 02:06:34,450
to meet additional staffing, not obligations, but additional staffing had counts at their elementary schools.

1621
02:06:34,930 --> 02:06:36,230
Yeah. All right. Thank you.

1622
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:40,450
You're having the same discussions that we're having. Yes, exactly right. I mean, I don't disagree.

1623
02:06:40,830 --> 02:06:45,450
Yeah. And they have the same. It's a different revenue source, but it's the same concept.

1624
02:06:45,690 --> 02:06:51,050
There's only so much money that is being provided. The place they're getting their funds.

1625
02:06:51,530 --> 02:06:57,470
Those parents have the same pressures on their own person. I get it. Yeah. This is not the price at all.

1626
02:06:57,470 --> 02:07:00,790
all of us at this table, our fixed costs are going up at our house.

1627
02:07:00,910 --> 02:07:01,350
So what do we do?

1628
02:07:01,510 --> 02:07:04,050
Maybe we don't donate as much to that elementary school.

1629
02:07:04,590 --> 02:07:05,270
This time, yeah.

1630
02:07:05,450 --> 02:07:06,630
These are all very tough conversations.

1631
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:14,630
So when just to prepare the public, what is the timeline

1632
02:07:14,630 --> 02:07:17,410
look like for discussions?

1633
02:07:17,570 --> 02:07:21,610
Can you just walk the public through over the years?

1634
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:23,490
What that looked like a couple years ago?

1635
02:07:23,490 --> 02:07:29,730
and when would you bring to the public say schools needed to be closed or

1636
02:07:29,730 --> 02:07:29,970
Thanks for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video.

1637
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:35,580
And to be centralized, when does that look like so we can start to wrap our heads around that?

1638
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:41,880
So, I think, you know, Christine said it perfectly. We really need to start these conversations in August.

1639
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:50,740
And I think the board would need to decide whether you want that to be recommendations we bring to you, or if you would want to have more of a community group.

1640
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:55,840
That would come together. And you wouldn't want to be too big, but we've done that before.

1641
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:02,320
So we would need to know what the pleasure of the board is in terms of the conversation and who's in the conversation.

1642
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:14,840
But our goal would always be as we did last time to be able to present what those reductions would be at least by January.

1643
02:08:15,380 --> 02:08:23,680
And the reason for that is what we're talking, you know, if we're cutting something on a PTA would want to pick that up, we'd want them to have time to do that.

1644
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:31,220
If you're closing a school, you know, you want parents to have options, and so like we did

1645
02:08:31,220 --> 02:08:35,240
and now that can always happen, and you know that we close to school very late in the

1646
02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:39,740
game several years ago, and you could see some of that happening.

1647
02:08:40,420 --> 02:08:44,660
But ideally we would like to do all of that in the first semester, that is not always possible.

1648
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:50,640
But I would say definitely we would want to have those decisions made by March, because

1649
02:08:50,640 --> 02:08:53,060
then we have contracts and things we have to deal with.

1650
02:08:53,060 --> 02:08:55,800
so we have to have it done in time for us to make changes.

1651
02:08:56,160 --> 02:08:59,880
And also ideally, get them out before the choice application deadline.

1652
02:08:59,880 --> 02:09:00,940
All of that is important.

1653
02:09:01,580 --> 02:09:07,440
And what you might do is have some decisions made by December and other decisions we may still

1654
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:07,700
be working on.

1655
02:09:07,700 --> 02:09:08,940
Which is how we do that.

1656
02:09:09,500 --> 02:09:16,000
Yeah, definitely the programmatic changes, school closures, partnerships, things like that.

1657
02:09:16,020 --> 02:09:18,680
Those decisions were made in the fall.

1658
02:09:19,740 --> 02:09:32,480
So that parents could explore their options going into the spring, but some of the staffing we were still finalizing that and brought that later as part of the budget process.

1659
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:34,380
You guys would be part of the discussion.

1660
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:41,880
Like we were before, you know, some of those items were kind of tucked globally until we were ready to be with that detail.

1661
02:09:42,140 --> 02:09:48,590
Because again, when you guys are seeing, it can't happen without affecting staff.

1662
02:09:49,490 --> 02:09:51,390
And that's how to get through a school year.

1663
02:09:51,690 --> 02:09:54,490
And that timeline that you were just discussing that.

1664
02:09:54,610 --> 02:09:55,170
I deal with timeline.

1665
02:09:56,050 --> 02:10:00,490
That those dates would apply to the 2728 budget.

1666
02:10:01,970 --> 02:10:05,770
Not the 2627 budget.

1667
02:10:06,030 --> 02:10:08,850
So we've already passed those dates for.

1668
02:10:09,190 --> 02:10:10,970
There's still changes that could be made.

1669
02:10:10,970 --> 02:10:12,930
Sometimes changes are made in the middle of the year.

1670
02:10:12,990 --> 02:10:15,030
I'm going to go back to when we did these other changes.

1671
02:10:15,330 --> 02:10:16,530
I went to senior staff early.

1672
02:10:16,530 --> 02:10:24,110
that year and said give me money now. So they made some changes then and closed vacancies and

1673
02:10:24,110 --> 02:10:28,670
things like that. They started making some centralized programmatic changes that very few

1674
02:10:28,670 --> 02:10:36,090
people felt but we did that early. I just didn't let them wait and I made them make some 10%

1675
02:10:36,090 --> 02:10:43,410
changes. That 10% cut, planning for 27, 28. So some of that some things could happen during

1676
02:10:43,410 --> 02:10:49,690
the year of 2627. They can, because you can do it with vacancies and attrition. They

1677
02:10:49,690 --> 02:10:50,470
will have to hear.

1678
02:10:50,570 --> 02:10:54,850
So basically what you're saying is the budget process is a year-long process and formulation

1679
02:10:55,530 --> 02:11:00,810
and in the review mirror also just from the standpoint of we're still going to be working

1680
02:11:00,810 --> 02:11:03,890
out numbers for the past budget.

1681
02:11:03,970 --> 02:11:09,570
We take about a week off and not talk about budget after the budget gets passed. That's

1682
02:11:09,570 --> 02:11:10,350
I don't think it'll make sense.

1683
02:11:10,530 --> 02:11:11,490
Your work is great.

1684
02:11:11,630 --> 02:11:12,230
Yeah, I appreciate it.

1685
02:11:12,230 --> 02:11:12,410
I appreciate it.

1686
02:11:13,550 --> 02:11:18,290
But I do want to ask a question though, so as I'm looking at this, let's go back to

1687
02:11:18,290 --> 02:11:23,230
the fund balance in the policy, so the number in the policy is 19%.

1688
02:11:23,230 --> 02:11:31,350
This is at 17 right now, as we've seen this page line and up, if this word, the budget that

1689
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:36,790
we would be going forward with, we would need to, you need to get some directive from the

1690
02:11:36,790 --> 02:11:40,470
toward to adjust the fund balance at this number.

1691
02:11:41,090 --> 02:11:41,150
Correct.

1692
02:11:42,050 --> 02:11:47,370
But meaning the decisions we make during the 2627-2728,

1693
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:52,640
one thing is about the budget, but it is also to add to fund balance.

1694
02:11:53,220 --> 02:11:58,800
And so there's a resolution that you all pass when you pass the budget.

1695
02:11:59,140 --> 02:12:03,540
And so we will, in my opinion, put some wording in there where you're directing

1696
02:12:04,940 --> 02:12:08,260
administration to make sure we're working on this.

1697
02:12:09,220 --> 02:12:13,340
And I had a question doing back to what we're talking about a minute ago about the program changes.

1698
02:12:13,640 --> 02:12:15,640
And I know TA is totally unpredictable.

1699
02:12:16,440 --> 02:12:18,760
When do they expect you to have all those numbers to them?

1700
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:24,640
And if they're deciding that they might want to dictate what school districts do,

1701
02:12:24,660 --> 02:12:27,940
do we have any idea when they would come down with those directives?

1702
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:28,840
About the facilities.

1703
02:12:28,840 --> 02:12:44,380
So it's to do May 15th and just know the two people who will lead that have an election and a budget to get done and also have three bond fund bond programs going on.

1704
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:48,580
So that's who it's going to fall to to get done by the 15th of May.

1705
02:12:50,120 --> 02:12:55,000
Also I believe they will use this in the legislative conversation and it will come out of the legislature.

1706
02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:58,240
So we might still be able to make decisions on our own

1707
02:12:58,240 --> 02:13:01,960
for the immediate future, but going forward that like that.

1708
02:13:03,460 --> 02:13:06,600
There is a legislative session in 27.

1709
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:10,800
They do pass things that make a requirement for 27, 28.

1710
02:13:10,940 --> 02:13:13,160
That could make a requirement for 27, 28.

1711
02:13:13,420 --> 02:13:14,180
Like they just did.

1712
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:17,640
So there would be last minute just months to it, which is why

1713
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:21,160
we need to be super conservative on any plan cuts

1714
02:13:21,160 --> 02:13:23,920
so that we can handle the turnaround requirements

1715
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,280
that will come from the legislature and cost.

1716
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:31,120
So you think maybe some of these forms, they're saying like,

1717
02:13:31,140 --> 02:13:33,540
you have this many classrooms at this campus.

1718
02:13:34,420 --> 02:13:35,800
How many kids are there?

1719
02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:38,480
They want to see our utilization rates of buildings and...

1720
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:39,400
They're going to say...

1721
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:40,680
With the state for school closures?

1722
02:13:40,820 --> 02:13:45,000
They're going to say Spring Branch is saying they need to save $25 million.

1723
02:13:45,680 --> 02:13:48,980
But I'm looking at a piece of paper that says four schools should be closed.

1724
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:55,920
So, they obviously don't, aren't being efficient in there by today.

1725
02:13:57,780 --> 02:13:57,800
Yes.

1726
02:13:57,800 --> 02:14:01,900
That's how they'll use the message to say they don't need to give us any money because

1727
02:14:01,900 --> 02:14:05,240
we can find it by doing that.

1728
02:14:07,020 --> 02:14:14,100
But then the reality, when we go to 17%, anything going forward, we have to have zero and then surplus.

1729
02:14:14,540 --> 02:14:15,000
Exactly.

1730
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:20,780
I mean, so we're the following years going to be really brutal.

1731
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:21,760
This was coming.

1732
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:25,720
I mean, we saw this coming, and it just is now here.

1733
02:14:31,550 --> 02:14:32,250
Thank you.

1734
02:14:35,290 --> 02:14:36,030
Thank you, Christine.

1735
02:14:37,450 --> 02:14:39,750
The next item on the, does anyone have anything else?

1736
02:14:40,330 --> 02:14:42,970
The next item on the agenda is, no.

1737
02:14:43,390 --> 02:14:45,350
The next item on the agenda is executive session.

1738
02:14:45,790 --> 02:14:49,270
The board will now adjourn into executive session under the following sections of the Texas

1739
02:14:49,270 --> 02:14:56,310
of meetings act, section 551.074 regarding the routine personnel and other personnel matters

1740
02:14:56,310 --> 02:14:59,490
including the duties of employees and public affairs officers.

1741
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:20,180
Section 551.021, regarding deliberation of personal, personally identify a identifiable information of a public school student. Section 551.076, regarding deliberation of the deployment or special occasions for a momentation of security personnel or devices or deliberation of security audit.

1742
02:15:20,180 --> 02:15:37,400
Section 550711, consultation with the Board's Attorney regarding all matters that have authorized by law, including that not limited to its discussion of Elzanovo versus Spring Branch ISD civil action number H211997, and legal issues surrounding public finance.

1743
02:15:37,620 --> 02:15:39,800
The time is now 815, PM.

1744
02:15:41,600 --> 02:15:47,240
This meeting is now reconvened in open session and compliance with the provisions of open meetings laws of the state of Texas.

1745
02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:49,840
the time is now 8.59.

1746
02:15:55,390 --> 02:15:59,670
Executive session has been completed. Just completed has been held for

1747
02:15:59,670 --> 02:16:04,970
discussion of topics as well, but the law of no action was taken. The next item on the agenda

1748
02:16:04,970 --> 02:16:08,770
is a request for approval of routine personnel. So we have a motion.

1749
02:16:09,210 --> 02:16:09,690
So moved.

1750
02:16:11,890 --> 02:16:14,650
Second. Any discussion?

1751
02:16:17,050 --> 02:16:24,290
It has been moved by David Flattery and

1752
02:16:28,010 --> 02:16:34,810
The motion has been approved by vote of 7 to 0, 6, 6 is 0, thank you.

1753
02:16:36,390 --> 02:16:40,830
The motion has been approved by vote of 6 to 0 that we approve routine personal items

1754
02:16:40,830 --> 02:16:42,830
is recommended by the administration.

1755
02:16:44,090 --> 02:16:48,850
The next item on the agenda is a request for consideration of administrative requests for

1756
02:16:48,850 --> 02:16:55,570
outside employment in accordance with House Bill 3372 of the 89 legislative session.

1757
02:16:55,770 --> 02:16:56,430
Do we have a motion?

1758
02:16:57,930 --> 02:16:58,890
So moved.

1759
02:16:59,770 --> 02:17:00,170
Second.

1760
02:17:02,300 --> 02:17:02,860
Any discussion?

1761
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:10,320
It's been moved by Jennifer Highland and seconded by Walker Agnew.

1762
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:13,860
All those in favor say aye and raise your hand.

1763
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:14,300
Aye.

1764
02:17:15,060 --> 02:17:15,680
Any opposed?

1765
02:17:16,300 --> 02:17:17,660
Say no and raise your hand.

1766
02:17:18,380 --> 02:17:21,060
The motion has been approved by vote of six to zero.

1767
02:17:21,060 --> 02:17:25,360
that we approve and ministerate a request for outside employment and accordance with House Bill

1768
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:28,800
3372, A9th Legislation.

1769
02:17:30,700 --> 02:17:32,580
Dr. Wayne, do you have any clothing or marks?

1770
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:34,040
I do not.

1771
02:17:36,140 --> 02:17:38,880
There will be no further business to come before the board this morning.

1772
02:17:39,440 --> 02:17:41,420
This workshop meeting is adjourned.

1773
02:17:41,520 --> 02:17:44,700
The time is now 9 o 1 p.m.