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Okay, like everybody to turn their
microphones on a while, please.

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Um, want to call this meeting to order
and please join me for the pledge of

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allegiance.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Okay. Good evening and welcome to our
September 9th, 2026

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um Spring Garden Township business
meeting.

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Uh, presentations. We have none.
I don't think anybody's on the list for

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um
public comment.

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Nobody called you.
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» I didn't know you had
>> Oh, no. Sometimes people make a

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presentation like just a citizen.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. walk, please walk up

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to the microphone and state your name
and address, please.

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This, we're live streaming this um so we
want to make sure that we get all our

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facts straight
and we're recording it.

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» Okay.
>> Hi, my name is Sydney George. I live at

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1341 South Ogans and our whole block is
having a problem with fungus flies. All

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the neighbors have had spring. We've had
spring inside, outside. We cannot get

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rid of them. So, we're wondering, I've
had a man from the University of

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Maryland. Um, what do you call the
enmologist? We've had like five

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different exterminators and maybe 20
plumbers. They don't know where they're

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coming from. And so, I'm coming to you
with a plea maybe to um canvas the

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neighborhood to see if there's something
you could do for spraying. There's also

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mosquitoes and sweat flies. 1300 block
of oans. So think maybe the run across

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the street where their deer live at the
cemetery could be a source, but we don't

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know. We'll kind of wish.
>> That was 1349.

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» 1341.
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» South Ogats. Yes.

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So, yep. Any thoughts, any ideas? That
would be great. That's all I have to say

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unless you have Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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to to anybody's knowledge, have we had
any

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other complaints?
I was there before

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and I could figure out. I mean, because
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lives and breeds off of decaying matter.
They're very tough to pinpoint.

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Are you tied into the sore?
>> I'm sorry.

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» Are you tied into the public sore?
>> Yes, we are.

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» It's not that.

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Okay.
Yeah. Well,

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» we'll leave it up to you.
>> Let me let me look at it.

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» Thank you.

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» Um,
is there any other public comment, Rick?

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Ricky Dubs, 545 South Oant Street. I'm
not sure who to direct this to, but uh

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since we're talking a lot about fire
halls and fire buildings,

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uh I took notice there was a property
sold

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on the back side or the front side,
whatever you want to call it, of the

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Grantley Fire Department building
uh over by York College.

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It was listed as
Spring Garden Township Fair,

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not Spring Garden Township.
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is it our property or
what?

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It's owned by the volunteer
firefighters. And Chief Hoff, you can

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correct me if I'm wrong.
>> No, you're correct, sir. that bill the

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property that Grantley Fire Company owns
and operates out of presently is owned

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by them uh not the township. So yes,
they did sell part of their property uh

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but that's completely separate from the
township or our department.

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» Okay. In other words, we don't provide
the taxes, the maintenance on the

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buildings or anything like that.
>> I'm sorry, say that again. We don't

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get involved in the taxes, maintenance,
billing, or

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» we get involved, our department gets
involved with the maintenance at all of

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our fire stations, but that that's the
extent of it. And the property that was

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sold is not the fire station. It was a a
separate property that they own next to

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the fire station.
>> So, in other words, you don't maintain

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that property, though.
>> Correct. We only maintain the fire

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station. Sir,
>> you you maintain the fire station, but

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not that property.
>> Correct. So if the fire station sold, it

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would be in Spring Garden Township's
name then.

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» No,
>> no, it's owned by the volunteers.

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» It's owned by the Grantley Volunteer
Fire Company.

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» Well, I'm asking. In other words,
we're paying We're doing maintenance on

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it, the building that the fire station's
at.

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But they're going to sell the building.
I'm assuming when the new fire station

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is built.
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memory.
>> That money go to be recouped.

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» It'll probably go back into the new fire
station.

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» What?
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station
at some point in time. That's

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» Are you going to look into that for me?
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» Okay. So, I could call you. We already
talked talked about this. Yeah, we had a

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» Okay. I just wonder cuz I've seen it it
come out of the blue. I seen it on the

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listing for real estate sold and it was
sold to York College.

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» Yeah.
>> I can't imagine they got a good deal out

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of it at 200 and some thousand a
property in that neck of the woods.

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» That's real estate they need. And
they're also I believe

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» I know they need it, but a lot of rent
landlords would like to have it at that

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money. I'm sure of that. Okay. I'll call
you when I see the fire station or when

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we start talking big about the fire
building.

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» Yeah.
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» Okay. Is there any other public comment
on something that's not on the agenda?

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Okay.
Um,

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I need an action to approve the business
meeting minutes of August 12th, 2026.

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» Move.
>> I'll second.

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» Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?

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Okay.
All in favor? I

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» I
wasn't there.

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motion carries.
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finance. We need an action item to
accept the August 2026 treasures report

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in bank transactions.

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» I'll make a motion that we accept the
August 2026 treasures report and bank

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transactions.
>> I'll second.

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» Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?

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Okay. All those in favor?
>> I

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» I
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» opposed none. Motion carries.

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Subdivision and land development.
Your country day school.

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He finally finished his project. I need
an action item to ratify the manager's

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authorization
for the engineer to inspect your country

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day school improvements for release of
security funds and to release fuel full

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security based on the engineers's
recommendation.

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» I'll make that motion.
>> Okay, we have a second.

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» Second.
>> Okay. Is there any public comment?

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All those in favor?
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» I
opposed none. Motion carries.

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Security release. York College nailer
eco sciences building.

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I need an action item to ratify the
manager's author authorization for the

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engineer to inspect your college nail
eosciences building improvements for

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release of security funds and to release
full security based on engineers

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recommendations.
>> I'll also make that re or that uh

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motion.
>> I'll second.

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» Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?

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Okay.
All those in favor? I

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» I oppose none. Motion carries.
1 Golf Club Drive, Regent's Glenn

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Clubhouse time extension waiver.
Um need an action to approve a 45day

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time extension waiver to November 19th,
2026 for Regent's Glenn Clubhouse plan.

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So moved.
>> Second.

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» Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?

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» All those in favor?
>> I

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» I
>> I posted none. Motion carries.

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Okay. Old business.
Fire station 892 Indian in Rock Dam

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Road. Request for payment MW Studios
invoice

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24156-14.

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Uh I need to approve $968.98

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90 payment to MW Studios using
unbudgeted funds from the building

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improvement fund.
>> So move second.

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» Motion to second. Is there any public
comment?

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All those in favor?
>> I

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» opposed, none. Motion carries.

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Um,
Windsor Park

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Public Park Rehabilitation Project
Resolution 2026-15,

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Windsor Park Rehab Project, York County
Open Space and Land Preservation Grant

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Application and Signing Authority.
Uh, the grant request is for $60,000. I

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need an action item to approve
resolution 2026-15

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Windsor Park Rehab project to York
County Open Space and Land Preservation

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Grant application and signing authority.
>> Gladly approve it.

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» Okay, we have a motion.
>> Second

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» and a second. Is there any public
comment?

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Okay. All those in favor?
>> I

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» I
>> opposed, none. Motion carries.

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Okay.
I can't wait to list projects done.

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Triill road, Tri Hill sanitary and storm
water sores project.

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Um, I need an action item to approve Tri
Hill Sores project change order number

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eight in the amount of $ 38,618.95.

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» This will settle any differences in
supply amounts using

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supply bid unit costs.
>> I'll make that motion.

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» Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a
second?

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» Second.
>> Okay. Is there any public comment?

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» I've been regularly posting on social
media about that being closed right now

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and yet I have still tried to drive that
way a couple of times.

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» Yeah. Well, we all have.
Okay. All those in favor?

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» I
>> I

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» I opposed. None. Motion carries.
Application for payment AFP

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number five final. The word final
in action to approve AFP 5 in the amount

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of $31,000

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$31,216.87
87

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to CPA pavement services in accordance
with the engineer's recommendation

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with 24,49120

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coming from liquid fuels
and 2

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5169
from SOAR fund and 4,67398

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from the general fund.

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I will make that motion.
>> I'll second.

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» Motion second. Is there any public
comment?

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» Okay. All those in favor? I
>> I

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» I oppose. None. Motion carries.
Virginia Avenue Storm Water and Sanitary

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Source Project.
Application for payment AFP1

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in action item to approve AFP1 in the
amount of $91,613

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to Roguel LLC from general fund.

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» I'll move that we approve application
for payment number one in that amount to

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Roguel.
>> I'll second.

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» Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?

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Okay. All those in favor?
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» I oppose none. Motion carries.
Vehicles and traffic ordinance

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amendment.
This would be um in our code book

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300-12, maximum speed limits established
on certain streets.

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And we're going to establish a speed
limit of 25 m an hour on South Yale

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Street as advertised by
LTA PIG.

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» That's ad.
>> And then we have 300-18

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stop intersections established.
We're looking to establish a four-way

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intersection at Second Avenue and South
Belellmont Street.

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In an action item to direct staff and
solicister to draft and advertise

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chapter 300 ordinance amendment
establishing a 25 mph speed limit on

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South Yel Street and to establish a
four-way intersection at Second Avenue

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and South Belmont Street based on the
advisement of an LTA

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traffic study.
>> So moved.

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» Okay,
>> I'll second. Motion to second. Is there

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any public comment?
>> Greg, did we get any input from them as

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to how to ensure the safety farther down
Belmont Street?

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» Um,
>> yes, I did.

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» Okay.
>> I got their recommendation. Um, we're

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going to paint a single line.
>> Okay.

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» From where the entrance was to the old
hospital.

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» Okay.
>> And but it has to be at the correct

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angle. That's why we have to go back so
far. And you don't do the intersection.

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You go to what would be the
uh south side of third. Start that

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transition just keep traffic over that
way.

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» Okay.
I got

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» What does LTA stand for?
>> Local technical assistance program. It's

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a program offered from Pendot
for

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municipalities, burrows, cities. It's a
free up to a certain point. So, at this

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point, we're getting great advice and

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Yeah, it's free.
So,

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» okay. So, Rick, you want to come up?

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Ricky Dubs, 545 South Oant Street.
Would somebody explain to me, in other

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words, where on South Yale Street is
this involved with

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» all of South from Mount Rose to Spawn?
>> All of South Yale.

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» Yes.
>> Do you understand? South Yale goes from

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Market Street to Mount Rose Avenue.
>> Correct.

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» So, in other words, we're talking in the
boulevard still.

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» Correct. Neighborhood pro neighborhood
area should be posted 25 miles an hour.

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» Okay.
>> So, in other words, there will be signs

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posted 25 mph speed limit.
>> Right. I don't think that's a change for

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between market and sixth. I think that's
what it is right now.

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» Well, this said South Yale Street. South
Yale starts at Market, goes to Mount

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Rose,
>> right? I'm just saying I think that's

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already 25 miles hour.
>> It's all 25 miles an hour without the

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sign.
>> It's supposed to be, but we're putting

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signs up so our police department can
enforce it.

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» Okay. So, in other words,
we're spending money for something that

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doesn't need posting because you're not
going to get a speeder. We can't even

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get police protection, much less
speeding. But now, question comes in. I

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talked to my commissioner
last meeting

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and there's no signs for speed limit on
OAT Street,

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Midland Avenue.
Are we going to do anything? Cuz when

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the gentleman wanted that sign put up
about speed limit, all it did was force

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the traffic from Yale Street to Oon
Street. more traffic. Then it went back

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to normal.
In other words, when they took the which

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they put the sign up backwards, wrong
location, this and that. But my question

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is, what about other township residents?
We have the same problem. We have school

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buses on Oant Street. We got a daycare
on the corner of Oant and

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Prospect Street.
Don't we rate

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signs?
>> I think you have signs in there.

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» I think you have signs in there.
>> You think we do not have signs?

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Take my word or call my wife. She can
tell you too cuz she looked for them.

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So, are we going to get, you know, oh,
look at it.

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» Yeah, I guess. Yeah,
>> but it's automatically 25 miles an hour

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» in a street in that location.

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» There there are signs on Midland Avenue
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» There are signs of Midland Avenue south
of Mount Rose. You're saying there are

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none north of Mount Rose.
>> North of Mount Rose.

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» Midland Avenue doesn't go north of Mount
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mean that there are no signs. There are
>> There's no signs on South Shale Street.

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25 mile RP limit.
>> No, we're talking Yeah, that's what

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we're doing right now.
>> Signs on Midland and on Oans. And I know

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there are signs on Midland.
>> There are.

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» Yeah.
>> We have to keep going here.

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» Yeah. because I mean I know on oans we
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» Okay. Well, we can check into that,
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but we're doing something
that we don't need to do. That's why I

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don't understand
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he'll tell you how much a sign cost.
I don't have to.

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» We got a man in charge of that
department. We've gotten multiple

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citizen complaints about speeding on
South Yale. So,

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» you had
>> Okay. Thank you for your comments, Mr.

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Dubs.
Okay. Is there any other public comment?

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Okay. All those in favor? I
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oppose none. Motion carries. New
business.

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Uh Resolution

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» 16
Okay. Um

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let's see that
Benjamin. Come on up.

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Good evening. Uh thank you for allowing
me the opportunity to speak with you

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tonight. Uh, first off, I want to
sincerely thank the Spring Garden

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Township Board of Commissioners, Mr. W,
Chief Hoff, and York County Regional

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Police Department for the continued
support you've shown First Capital EMS

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over the years. Um, and more
importantly, for your continued

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commitment to the health and safety of
the citizens we all serve. Uh tonight

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I'm asking the township to sponsor First
Capital EMS for an LSA category 4 grant

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application that would help us begin
replacing our aging fleet of cardiac

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monitors. Uh cardiac monitors are one of
the most important pieces of equipment

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we carry on our ambulances. They're the
reason why ALS service happens. Um, they

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allow our crews to monitor a patient's
heart rhythm, obtain 12 lead ECGs,

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provide defibrillation when necessary,
and gather critical information that

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helps guide patient care. Currently, we
have 10 cardiac monitors that need to be

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replaced. But I want to make it clear
for everybody in attendance, we're not

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asking Spring Garden Township to solve
the entire problem for us. Uh, in fact,

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we're taking a very deliberate and
financially responsible approach to

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addressing this. and some of our
monitors right now we currently use

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LifePack 15s but we have version one and
version two uh of those units and

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unfortunately the V1's and V2s have been
considered obsolete by Striker so they

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no longer carry parts for it and that's
been 2 and 1/2 years since that since

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they made that determination and that's
that's a big concern for me uh and it's

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a big concern for our patients and the
residents that we serve because if we

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can't get these parts. Those monitors
become paper weights. They're not worth

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anything. They don't do anything. And
that doesn't help anybody because we

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don't have cardiac monitors that we can
put on a unit. That means we have to

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take that unit out of service, which
means less units on the street for our

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residents.
Um, you know, they are critical pieces

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of life-saving equipment and our crews
know that they or our crews need to know

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that they can depend on it and we can
maintain it, service it, and keep it

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operational. Uh, and that's why we're
looking ahead rather than waiting for

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something to fail because we've done
that way too long in EMS. We react

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instead of being proactive and we're
trying to change that and we're not

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looking at it simply as trying to buy
something new or fun or different. Uh

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the lifepac 35 is the current generation
platform and provides significant

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enhancements. Uh it has a larger and
high definitionition touchscreen. Uh the

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ability to display more waveforms and
patient parameters. So our u diagnostic

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equipment we can see much more at once
on one screen. Um, we have expanded ECG

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capabilities, pediatric AED
functionality, and CPR insight

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technology that gives us immediate live
feedback on the CPR that we're

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performing. Uh, the LifePac 15s
currently don't do that. Our goal is to

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make an investment that will serve First
Capital EMS and Spring Garden Township

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for many years rather than simply
replacing an aging monitor with another

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aging platform. The quote we have
obtained is for two life pack monitors

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and the associated equipment with a
total cost of approximately $133,000

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including shipping and handling.
Two monitors represent only 20% of the

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10 that we ultimately need to replace.
But we're okay with that because 20% is

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better than zero. And that philosophy is
really representative of how we've been

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approaching First Capital EMS as a
whole. We've been very intentional uh

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about being responsible stewards of our
resources. Uh you know, as an example,

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we've been right sizing our fleet. Uh we
sold two ambulances and an SUV that no

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longer made sense for our operational
needs. And rather than simply replacing

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those vehicles with more ambulances, we
strategically reinvested those resources

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into a pickup truck uh that will serve
as a dedicated uh rehab, mass casualty,

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and ALS response vehicle to serve the
fire companies and also the communities.

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Uh we've been very aggressively pursuing
grants and outside funding opportunities

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for equipment, training vehicles, and
other operational needs. And we're doing

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that because we understand that
financial responsibility isn't simply

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about asking municipalities for money
whenever we need it. It's about looking

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at what we have, determining what we
actually need, making smart decisions

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with the resources available to us, and
pursuing every outside funding

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opportunity we possibly can. And this
cardiac monitor project is a perfect

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example. We have a legitimate capital
need. We have aging equipment that needs

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replaced. and we've identified that
equipment that we believe makes the most

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sense for our organization instead of
simply coming to our municipal partners

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and saying, "Hey, we need $133,000
because I'm sure that would go over

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really well in, you know, September."
Um, we're asking for your help in

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leveraging an outside funding
opportunity is what we're going for. Uh,

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and that's why Spring Garden Township is
so important to us. This grant requires

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municipal sponsorship and by sponsoring
First Capital, you're giving us the

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opportunity to compete for funding that
could provide approximately $133,000

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worth of cardiac monitoring equipment. I
know there's no guarantee we'll get it,

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but without a municipal sponsor, we
don't even get that opportunity. And I

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think that's and I think it's an
important distinction we talk about

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financial stability and fiscal
responsibility. We're not asking the

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township to purchase these monitors.
We're asking you to help us pursue

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funding that could significantly reduce
the financial burden on that would be on

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us to replace them. If we're successful,
we replace two monitors. Then we'll

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pursue funding for the next two, then
the next two, and eventually we'll get

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all 10 replaced. And that's how we're
approaching it. One opportunity, one

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grant, one investment at a time. Um, we
also understand Spring Garden has to be

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careful about how you use your own
resources. We understand that every

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dollar has competing demands. Uh that's
why we're not asking you to simply take

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our word for it that this is a
worthwhile investment.

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Showing you we're putting our own house
in order. We're making strategic

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decisions about the resources we have
and we're actively looking for ways to

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bring outside funding into the
organization.

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It's a municipality and its EMS provider
working together to make an investment

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in the safety of the community. So on
behalf of First Capital EMS, I want to

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thank you not only for considering this
request tonight, but for the partnership

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and support you've provided to us. We're
asking you to help us take the first

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step in in fixing our cardiac monitor
issue.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Any questions for me?

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» I don't think so. It's pretty cut and
dry.

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Thank you.
>> Okay. Okay, I need an action item to

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approve resolution 202616,
First Capital Cardiac Monitors LSA Cat 4

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grant application and signing authority.
>> So move second.

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» Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?

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Okay, all those in favor.
>> I opposed none. Motion carries. And I

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wanted to comi com commend you guys on
the reduction in call time that you

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reported on your monthly report this
been trying we've been trying to make

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better better decisions.

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» Okay. Commissioner constituent
representation.

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I would personally like to thank public
works for

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getting the graffiti
as well as they could off the Wrath Road

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Bridge.
Um there was a fence of

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there was there was more Nazi symbols
and

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um
words I'm not even going to say.

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Um
so thanks for that Craig. Appreciate it.

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Um, that's pretty much the extent of my
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Commissioner
Pinkerton.

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» Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I I was not
um in attendance at the last uh board of

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commissioners meeting and um thank you
for excusing me for that. So, um I just

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wanted to mention that because uh some
of my remarks here are going to reflect

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um uh some of the period that includes
uh the month of August in into September

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here. Uh but I I I just wanted to start
on a note of appreciation. Um and we

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have had conversations as recently as
this evening concerning traffic issues.

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Um traffic issues, concerns that have
been expressed um in these public

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meetings um and suggestions in fact as
to how traffic uh might be addressed

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differently. And I just want to
acknowledge the good work that has

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happened. Um earlier this evening we
took action on a issue pertaining to

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Second Avenue and South Belmont Street
which is terrific. Um I wanted to

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specifically thank manager White uh
Superintendent Rule uh Chief Damon um

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and the LTAP engineer um for just uh not
just the professionalism but the

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expeditious approach that was taken
relative to these traffic issues. I

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appreciate uh the seriousness and again
the the the the the responsiveness um on

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that. So, thank you very much. I know
that it's an ongoing evolving issue.

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Obviously, traffic concerns and and
accidents are are prevalent all around

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us and just that that those issues are
in good hands uh provides I think some

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comfort for me and the folks uh in in in
W 2. So, thank you. Um I I secondly

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wanted to address some concerns that um
were heard as recently as this evening

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um and and and last month as well. And
that relates to the bike lanes on uh

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Belmont Street specifically. And I I I
note that uh Mr. Dubs uh stepped stepped

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out of the room right now. He did pass
me a note uh before leaving that says,

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"Have you done," he's referring to me
specifically, "Have you done any survey

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on bike path at Old Hospital?" He's
referring to Belmont Street. and he's

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raised this before and I understand he
raised it in my absence the last month

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in the month of August. Um I just wanted
to briefly say a couple things about

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bike lanes and the bike lanes uh on
Belmont Street in particular. Um the

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first is is that I think and and I hope
and I think uh Superintendent Rule would

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agree um that we we're off to a good
start here but but that certainly

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there's room for improvement, right? And
I think the fact that in response to

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Commissioner Gray's question, you know,
Superintendent Rule pointed out that

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yeah, we're going to make little changes
and we kind of make this better as we

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go. Um, so that's that's to say that
it's not perfect to begin with, but it's

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getting better. Um, with respect to this
idea of how much use the bike lanes are

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getting. I wanted to first offer that
um, in general, in a very general sense,

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ridership in bike lanes anywhere uh,
increases when um, destinations are

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connected. So the point here is I think
oh we're just in phase one. We don't

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have a phase two yet. So we don't have
an absolute uh destination and therefore

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I don't think can get too upset that the
bike lane is not filled with traffic. So

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that's point number one. Secondly uh I
think I think most everyone can agree

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that there's a need for um education on
bike lanes in general. How to properly

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use them how they are used um who
belongs there in what ways and and and

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and how that particular facility is
used. Um, and that goes hand inhand with

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awareness. So, I don't think it's it's
it's completely fair for anyone to sit

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back and say, "Oh, the bike lanes aren't
being used." When in fact, I don't know

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that we've done a whole lot to make
folks aware that aware that they exist

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in the first place. So, I think there's
just a general education, awareness that

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needs to happen before we can stand back
and and make a judgment call as to

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whether or not the bike lanes are used.
Lastly, uh, in terms of bike lanes, um,

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bikes move people quickly. Um, I've
lived in and visited uh some of the most

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bike friendly communities in the United
States, and I can tell you not once have

431
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,680
I ever seen a bike lane that's congested
where it's bumper-to-bumper bikes. It

432
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,280
just doesn't happen. Bikes move uh uh
efficiently. Uh they don't cause traffic

433
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,560
jams. And so, I think when people see
empty bike lanes, what they're actually

434
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:39,119
seeing is efficiency in a form of
transportation. So, um, again, there's

435
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,720
room for improvement on the bike lanes
that we've started here in Spring Garden

436
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:46,079
Township, but I but but but I want folks
to know that, um, efforts are being made

437
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,520
to make those better. And again, I think
education and awareness with respect to

438
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:56,160
those bike lanes is very important as we
as as we move forward. Um, last point I

439
00:36:53,280 --> 00:37:01,839
wanted to make. I was uh not able to uh
add my voice to the congratulations on

440
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:06,560
the $2.5 million uh that we received for
the RACK P award specific to the fire

441
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,000
service and emergency service center uh
that that we will build. So so so I am

442
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:14,079
very much appreciative of that and I
think we all owe a debt of thanks to uh

443
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:18,720
uh state senator Christristen Phillips
Hill and and and state representative

444
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:23,040
Carol Hill Evans. So so thank you uh and
congratulations to the folks working on

445
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:27,119
that project. Um, and lastly, since uh,
Chief Damon's here, I just wanted to

446
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:31,040
point out I did review the the last
meeting and and noted um, some really

447
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:36,000
good information that Lieutenant
Zimmerman had provi provided. Uh, I

448
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,960
think intended to be in response to uh,
some of the feedback that he had

449
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,359
gathered from from meetings like this in
which residents and others may have made

450
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:48,160
comments that uh, there wasn't maybe a
visual or a real presence of police. And

451
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:53,280
I think the numbers bear out uh as as
Lieutenant Zimmerman presented that in

452
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:58,079
fact offensives, you know, offenses have
actually increased. And so I think what

453
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:01,760
I took from that presentation um that
Lieutenant Zimmerman gave was that um

454
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:06,960
you know the work the hard work
continues. Hard work is being done. And

455
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,760
if you compare the two years in fact um
from the time that this the the Spring

456
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,359
Garden had its own police department to
where we are today on a regional basis,

457
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:18,480
a lot of good work has been
accomplished. and and and you know

458
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,760
that's that's that's definitely worth um
I think an acknowledgement of just not

459
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:25,680
just pulling the data together but but
presenting it in such a way that made

460
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:31,280
sense and I think makes makes a strong
uh uh argument as to um the the the

461
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,760
value and and the good work that your
county regional police department is

462
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,480
doing. So thank you Chief Damon and and
my thanks to Lieutenant Zman as well.

463
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:41,520
Thank you.
>> Nothing further m

464
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:46,800
» Okay, Commissioner Gray.
Um to jump off of that, I wanted to

465
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:51,359
mention that um in the police commission
meetings for the regional, we get to

466
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:56,800
enjoy something that we used to enjoy
here in this with this body, which is

467
00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:04,720
the award ceremonies for our police
officers. Um and um

468
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:08,960
so I will try to um in the future it
occurred to me let the rest of my

469
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:13,280
commissioners know when awards are being
given out at the commission meetings in

470
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:18,000
case you want to come and participate in
congratulating our officers. And I'll

471
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:26,000
just mention for instance that in August
the our um one of our K9 units um Jesse

472
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:32,240
Maine and K9 officer Tango were awarded
the Fiat Justicia Award by the

473
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:37,920
organization our rescue uh for their
work over the years uh involving child

474
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,119
exploitation investigations. So that was
not an award that we gave out. That was

475
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:48,160
an award that they received though and
we're very proud of them. Um

476
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:53,680
um kind of continuing on first uh
responders. Uh everybody knows we're

477
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:58,560
approaching the 25th anniversary of 911
and um I was very proud to see that York

478
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:02,960
Suburban High School will be hosting a
911 remembrance ceremony sponsored by

479
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:09,119
the York County Commissioners on Friday
morning. That is an invitationon

480
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:12,560
event because there's limited space, but
it's for our first responders and their

481
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:18,720
families.
um and um to uh to recognize those who

482
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:22,960
serve today, to remember those that we
lost and to honor all those who answered

483
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:28,000
the call when our nation was attacked 25
years ago. And also I've spoken to the

484
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:34,880
superintendent and our EMS group which
is supported by Yawer and by first

485
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:39,920
capital our students who are studying uh
EMS are going to are very excited to be

486
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:45,119
welcoming uh all these first responders
to the high school and planning to go

487
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:51,040
with them as after the ceremony itself
they are going to

488
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:55,359
uh symbolically do a 911 stair climb
representing the 110 floors of the World

489
00:40:53,359 --> 00:41:02,560
Trade. cent's twin towers. So, they're
going to go up and down the steps in the

490
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:09,280
football stadium to climb 271 steps.
So, um that'll be quite the event. And

491
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:12,640
um I um
so that's not a public one, but I did

492
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,960
want to remind the public that everybody
is invited to the annual Court of Valor

493
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:21,920
and Safekeepers Shrine ceremony at
Prospect Hill Cemetery honoring veterans

494
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:30,720
and first responders. That's this Sunday
at 1:00 p.m. at Prospect Hill. And um on

495
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:36,800
September 17th, uh I wanted to mention
um Luther, I just got the invitation to

496
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:41,440
the next Yampo workshop. Um I don't know
if you guys are planning to go. Uh

497
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:46,240
that's um Yampo is the York area
metropolitan planning organization and

498
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:52,480
it is our uh decision-making
organization for transportation plans

499
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:57,520
made done with federal funding. Um so I
am planning to attend so I unfortunately

500
00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:02,560
that'll make me at least half an hour
late to the staff picnic but um I will

501
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:08,720
be there and the public is welcome to
attend that as well. So, um, other than

502
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:12,480
that, I just, uh, echo what Dave said at
the earlier in the meeting. We're really

503
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:18,480
looking forward to the work on Tri Hill
being done, but, um, we've really been

504
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:24,800
enjoying this good weather. I'm so glad
that you got good weather for it.

505
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:26,800
» Tomorrow, not so much. Yeah. So far,
yeah,

506
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:31,520
» day by day.
>> Yeah, that's me.

507
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:36,319
» Okay.
Commissioner Herold. Uh the first thing

508
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:40,160
that I would uh well the pretty much the
only thing that I would like to say is

509
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:44,160
um I e echo uh Commissioner Gray.
There's never a wrong time to express

510
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:48,160
our thanks to the first responders, but
uh particularly as we approach the 25th

511
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,800
anniversary. I think it's just um
important to um express our thanks, our

512
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:59,440
gratitude, and to uh remember sort of
the cohesive um u environment that this

513
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:04,079
country was uh we enjoyed after that.
And it's um never again never a bad time

514
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:08,119
to uh to thank our first responders. So
I'll just leave it at that. Thank you.

515
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:14,079
» Okay,
Commissioner Qu.

516
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:20,319
» Okay.
Well, in reference

517
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:24,800
to uh what we
passed a little bit earlier about a

518
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:29,200
four-way stop sign at Second and South
Belmont,

519
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:34,480
the intersection right down the street
from my house at Lancaster Avenue and

520
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:39,680
South Street
is not getting any better.

521
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:43,280
The other week, we had an incident down
there.

522
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:48,160
young man got hit with a one of them
ebikes.

523
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:54,800
Unfortunately, it was one of our
pickup trucks from the township.

524
00:43:51,280 --> 00:44:00,480
Now, he wasn't hurt or anything. Uh, and
it was his fault because he went right

525
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:06,160
through the stop sign, never stopped,
and the driver of our pickup truck was

526
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,680
that close to the intersection, he just
didn't have time to really stop

527
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:16,319
completely.
and it clipped the back of his bike,

528
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:20,000
but he got up and brushed himself off
and

529
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,920
talked, you know, see if he was all
right and everything. He was. He got on

530
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:30,160
his bike and left.
Um,

531
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:34,960
now on that west side of that
intersection that where the stop sign

532
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:39,760
is, there's been a car parked there for
the last four days.

533
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:48,000
That whole side's been parked up and
it's right on top of the stop sign.

534
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:54,079
Um, the other side's almost as bad.
So, um,

535
00:44:51,280 --> 00:45:00,480
we had another incident where, matter of
fact, this morning, a car come through

536
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:04,560
that same stop sign,
went down towards Prospect Street, and

537
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:10,640
at that stop sign went straight through
that up towards Hill Street.

538
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:16,800
Um,
I had two I seen two of them come out of

539
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:20,800
off of uh Maple and head towards Mount
Rose.

540
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:27,319
And then the ones coming off of Mount
Rose are still flying down the street.

541
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:27,319
Um,

542
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:33,960
where one car he almost had an accident
at the same intersection.

543
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:41,359
We thought he was going to hit the truck
that went through the stop sign.

544
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:47,040
We measured his skid marks. They were
over 36 feet long.

545
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:54,000
So that guy come down Mount Lancaster
Avenue off of Mount Rose, he was flying,

546
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:59,680
but yet we're told constantly
nobody speeds up and down that street.

547
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:04,480
Now I guess somebody's got to get killed
before we get something done on those

548
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:09,359
intersections.
So,

549
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:13,839
um,
I don't I don't know. I

550
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:18,400
I I think I'm just going to give up on
trying to get something done that's

551
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:22,160
going to be safe for that section of the
neighborhood because it's not worth

552
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:27,200
fighting it anymore. We've been trying
for six years to get a four-way stop

553
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,200
sign in there on both those
intersections.

554
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:36,319
We can't get nobody to listen and nobody
wants to do anything. So, I guess

555
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:42,400
somebody's going to have to get killed
before we get something done in this

556
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:46,760
township for that. So,
that's all I got to say about it.

557
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:57,760
There was an email sent about some
different configurations for that

558
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:02,400
intersection,
but um yeah, we can talk about that

559
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:09,119
later.
Um

560
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:13,359
okay, township consultants. Um Beth, do
you have anything to add your report?

561
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:16,480
» No, nothing to add this evening. Thank
you.

562
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:21,119
Okay, Dave,
>> just to add on to Commissioner

563
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:26,240
Pinkerton's remarks on the bicycle trail
usage, uh, phase two is actually in

564
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:30,720
progress, which includes dedicated
parking adjacent to Elmwood Park and

565
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:35,680
parking spaces behind Victory Fire
Company. So, that will help. The other

566
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,839
thing I'd point out is that um little
known fact is Market Street and

567
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:44,640
Philadelphia Street are part of Bicycle
Pennsylvania Route S which goes from

568
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:49,359
Ohio to New Jersey. So you're within a
half a block of something that actually

569
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:53,280
connects to two different states. So
give it a little bit of time to to catch

570
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,520
on and I I think you'll find it'll get
some use.

571
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:04,280
» Yep. Thank you.
Um, Chief Hoff.

572
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,960
» Okay.

573
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:17,280
Um,
Chief Damon.

574
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:22,800
» Yes, I do. Thank you. Um, just wanted to
remind everyone that on um, Sunday the

575
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:29,359
13th, there will be a Court of Valor
ceremony at Prospect Hill Cemetery.

576
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:34,960
And at that ceremony, we will be uh
honoring and recognizing fireman John

577
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:41,520
Peters, who was a Spring Garden Township
Police Officer and Firefighter who died

578
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:47,440
in the line of duty on April 6, 1937.
So, in his passing, his uh recognition

579
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:54,480
of dying in the line of duty has been
lost to time. Um, but I would say thanks

580
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:59,359
to our uh part-time grant writer and uh
Spring Garden Township resident Samantha

581
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:04,079
Dorm, she was able to uh uncover this
information and bring it to the

582
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:08,960
attention of uh Prospect Hill Cemetery
where where uh Officer Peters can

583
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:13,839
finally be recognized where his family
is actually coming from out of town uh

584
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:20,800
for this ceremony.
So uh that is part of that for that uh

585
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:27,680
incident. Yes. And again on um Friday
uh 911 and a lot of us uh first

586
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:33,119
responders have been uh started before
this or started after 911 and we

587
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:38,880
continue to recognize the sacrifice of
of all first responders especially those

588
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:43,440
that uh we lost on that day and um I I
don't think it's lost on us to uh to

589
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:50,319
remember them and so that they're
they're never forgotten uh for what they

590
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:55,440
did And um so just uh just to identify
some of the the other issues and and uh

591
00:49:53,920 --> 00:50:02,559
Commissioner Pickerton, I appreciate
your comments uh on the police activity.

592
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:07,760
I would I would also be remiss if I
didn't say that the police department

593
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:13,680
has been reviewing an unsolved homicide
uh from 2008

594
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:19,920
» uh which is taking up some time and and
that is not police uniform time. So

595
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:25,119
there's still police officers on patrol.
Um you have two to three of them in the

596
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:31,359
township at any one time and many times
more than that. Uh as I personally came

597
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:36,000
in on July 31st to do some uh activity
in the morning hours between midnight

598
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:39,599
and 5:00 a.m. Uh and there was five of
us the entire time in the township.

599
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:43,680
» And thank you for that, Chief.
>> Yep.

600
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:51,440
Um, so there they're although you may
not see them, they are there. And um,

601
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:56,240
I want to make sure that we also address
the unsolved homicide in a family that

602
00:50:53,599 --> 00:51:01,599
hasn't had justice in the last 18 years.
So we are diligently working on that and

603
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:09,119
hopefully we'll have a resolution to
that in the near future. So I I get what

604
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:12,880
you're saying. Um, I'm also, uh,
Commissioner Guilt, an accident

605
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:20,640
reconstructionist. I've been qualified
in court as an expert and 36 feet of of

606
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:24,079
skid marks is only 29 miles an hour. So,
that's that's the formula and that's the

607
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:27,119
facts because I just sat here and did
that. So, I I understand that

608
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,599
perception.
>> I understand the perception may be that,

609
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,480
but uh, I am qualified as an expert in
accident reconstruction.

610
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,200
» There's a woman driving the car, not a
guy. So,

611
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:42,880
» I don't know that that has anything to
do with the with the with the skid

612
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:49,200
marks, but um I do appreciate the
opportunity to uh be a part of this

613
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:52,720
township. I know the officers uh enjoy
and I know a lot of the officers from

614
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:57,680
Spring Garden have enjoyed the merger.
So, we continue to work towards uh

615
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,680
satisfying all the needs of the citizens
and the commission and we continue to do

616
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:07,200
that work. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

617
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:12,559
» Okay. Thank you, Chief Damon.
Uh, Township Administration Luther, do

618
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,640
you have anything to add to your report?
>> Nothing to add.

619
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,319
» Okay.
>> I just wanted to note that Luther's

620
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:23,680
report included that our website is now
fully ADA accessible. So, congrats to

621
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:26,680
the staff for achieving that. It's
great.

622
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:38,760
» Okay. Um, zoning and codes enforcement.
Okay,

623
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:45,480
Craig.
>> I have nothing to

624
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,480
» Okay.

625
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,920
And
Katie's recovering, so

626
00:52:53,119 --> 00:53:03,160
he um she'll be out for a little bit.
>> Recovery from surgery, if anybody's

627
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,160
» Yeah.

628
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:16,480
I didn't say that.
>> Okay. Is there any other public comment

629
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:21,480
at this time
about something that's not on the

630
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,480
agenda?

631
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:29,680
» Missy Stewart, 1161 Hollywood Terrace. I
would also like to give kudos to Luther

632
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:33,359
and the staff. At last month's meeting,
I made mention that the newsletter was

633
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:37,280
not correct on the website. It was old
version and like within a day, y'all had

634
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,280
that fixed. So, thank you for doing
that.

635
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:54,880
» Robera Bafo, 1080 Grand View, I just
wanted to thank you for putting the

636
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:59,280
workshop on Savvy Citizen. It was really
helpful for me and it allowed me to

637
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:03,280
come. And I was also since we're talking
about Savvy Citizen hoping that you

638
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could
I'm I'm just suggesting that maybe we

639
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put all our meetings on Savvy Citizen
via Port of Commissioners Recreation

640
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:15,119
Commission as a way to promote
recreation

641
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and send it out to everybody so they
know when it is and also when we cancel

642
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meetings like recreation or planning
commission so I know not to show up as

643
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,559
well. Thank you.

644
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:39,119
Hi everybody. Amy Mitten, 653 Malberry
Street. Um, nice to see you all. Haven't

645
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seen you guys in a while. I've been a
little held up with family stuff, so I

646
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:47,599
haven't been able to make it to most of
the meetings, but I'm happy to be back

647
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:52,480
this month and on a good month when
we're getting uh some stuff for the

648
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rehab for the parks in in my
neighborhood. So, I'm very happy about

649
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that and wanted to thank you all for for
that effort as well. Um, I wanted to

650
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make a comment to uh your your com your
your complaints regarding the traffic in

651
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your neighborhood. I agree with you. It
has the we you and I have both had

652
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:18,880
complaints about our neighborhoods and
speeding and the traffic for many many

653
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:23,119
many years. My comment is more along the
lines of Mr. Pinkerton

654
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just started this year and already has a
four-way stop sign under his belt. What

655
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is he doing that maybe you could emulate
perhaps and and assist? If there's

656
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,480
anything that you did to assist to get
that done, perhaps you could help Mr.

657
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Guilt
>> and in getting that done instead of

658
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siloing in our wards, maybe working
together to get those things worked out

659
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:49,440
» so we don't have to complain about them
for many years.

660
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:53,119
» Good. I'm not I'm not I'm not accusing
anyone of not doing what they wanted to

661
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:58,640
do. I'm just making a suggestion of
maybe collaborating a little bit to you

662
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:03,119
know you were you were successful.
Perhaps you could share your success

663
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with with him and maybe he can find the
missing piece that he's been looking

664
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:11,160
for. That was my only comment. Thank you
very much.

665
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,960
Is there any other public comment?

666
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,400
Okay.
Somebody want to make the motion to

667
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:26,880
adjurnn?
>> So moved.

668
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,119
» Motion to have a second. Okay. All those
in favor? I

669
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,119
» I
>> journed.

670
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Chief, all I know is that you've been at
each meeting you've been at, we've been

671
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under an hour. So, I mean, you know,
>> I don't know.

672
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:54,680
» That's true.

673
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Do you know if that's Um,