[0:01] Okay, like everybody to turn their
microphones on a while, please.
[0:07] Um, want to call this meeting to order
and please join me for the pledge of
[0:15] allegiance.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[0:20] United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation
[0:26] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
[0:35] » Okay. Good evening and welcome to our
September 9th, 2026
[0:42] um Spring Garden Township business
meeting.
[0:47] Uh, presentations. We have none.
I don't think anybody's on the list for
[0:54] um
public comment.
[0:58] Nobody called you.
>> Okay.
[1:02] » I didn't know you had
>> Oh, no. Sometimes people make a
[1:07] presentation like just a citizen.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. walk, please walk up
[1:14] to the microphone and state your name
and address, please.
[1:18] This, we're live streaming this um so we
want to make sure that we get all our
[1:24] facts straight
and we're recording it.
[1:28] » Okay.
>> Hi, my name is Sydney George. I live at
[1:34] 1341 South Ogans and our whole block is
having a problem with fungus flies. All
[1:42] the neighbors have had spring. We've had
spring inside, outside. We cannot get
[1:46] rid of them. So, we're wondering, I've
had a man from the University of
[1:51] Maryland. Um, what do you call the
enmologist? We've had like five
[1:55] different exterminators and maybe 20
plumbers. They don't know where they're
[1:59] coming from. And so, I'm coming to you
with a plea maybe to um canvas the
[2:05] neighborhood to see if there's something
you could do for spraying. There's also
[2:08] mosquitoes and sweat flies. 1300 block
of oans. So think maybe the run across
[2:15] the street where their deer live at the
cemetery could be a source, but we don't
[2:18] know. We'll kind of wish.
>> That was 1349.
[2:21] » 1341.
>> 1341.
[2:24] » South Ogats. Yes.
[2:29] So, yep. Any thoughts, any ideas? That
would be great. That's all I have to say
[2:34] unless you have Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[2:41] to to anybody's knowledge, have we had
any
[2:45] other complaints?
I was there before
[2:50] and I could figure out. I mean, because
that type of insect
[2:57] lives and breeds off of decaying matter.
They're very tough to pinpoint.
[3:08] Are you tied into the sore?
>> I'm sorry.
[3:11] » Are you tied into the public sore?
>> Yes, we are.
[3:19] » It's not that.
[3:32] Okay.
Yeah. Well,
[3:36] » we'll leave it up to you.
>> Let me let me look at it.
[3:40] » Thank you.
[3:43] » Um,
is there any other public comment, Rick?
[3:57] Ricky Dubs, 545 South Oant Street. I'm
not sure who to direct this to, but uh
[4:06] since we're talking a lot about fire
halls and fire buildings,
[4:13] uh I took notice there was a property
sold
[4:17] on the back side or the front side,
whatever you want to call it, of the
[4:22] Grantley Fire Department building
uh over by York College.
[4:29] It was listed as
Spring Garden Township Fair,
[4:36] not Spring Garden Township.
My question is,
[4:42] is it our property or
what?
[4:48] It's owned by the volunteer
firefighters. And Chief Hoff, you can
[4:52] correct me if I'm wrong.
>> No, you're correct, sir. that bill the
[4:57] property that Grantley Fire Company owns
and operates out of presently is owned
[5:01] by them uh not the township. So yes,
they did sell part of their property uh
[5:06] but that's completely separate from the
township or our department.
[5:12] » Okay. In other words, we don't provide
the taxes, the maintenance on the
[5:18] buildings or anything like that.
>> I'm sorry, say that again. We don't
[5:24] get involved in the taxes, maintenance,
billing, or
[5:29] » we get involved, our department gets
involved with the maintenance at all of
[5:32] our fire stations, but that that's the
extent of it. And the property that was
[5:36] sold is not the fire station. It was a a
separate property that they own next to
[5:40] the fire station.
>> So, in other words, you don't maintain
[5:44] that property, though.
>> Correct. We only maintain the fire
[5:46] station. Sir,
>> you you maintain the fire station, but
[5:50] not that property.
>> Correct. So if the fire station sold, it
[5:55] would be in Spring Garden Township's
name then.
[5:58] » No,
>> no, it's owned by the volunteers.
[6:01] » It's owned by the Grantley Volunteer
Fire Company.
[6:03] » Well, I'm asking. In other words,
we're paying We're doing maintenance on
[6:09] it, the building that the fire station's
at.
[6:15] But they're going to sell the building.
I'm assuming when the new fire station
[6:21] is built.
>> Yes, that's that I believe I have a
[6:26] memory.
>> That money go to be recouped.
[6:29] » It'll probably go back into the new fire
station.
[6:33] » What?
>> It'll probably go back into the new fire
[6:36] station
at some point in time. That's
[6:41] » Are you going to look into that for me?
>> Yeah.
[6:45] » Okay. So, I could call you. We already
talked talked about this. Yeah, we had a
[6:50] » Okay. I just wonder cuz I've seen it it
come out of the blue. I seen it on the
[6:57] listing for real estate sold and it was
sold to York College.
[7:02] » Yeah.
>> I can't imagine they got a good deal out
[7:06] of it at 200 and some thousand a
property in that neck of the woods.
[7:11] » That's real estate they need. And
they're also I believe
[7:15] » I know they need it, but a lot of rent
landlords would like to have it at that
[7:21] money. I'm sure of that. Okay. I'll call
you when I see the fire station or when
[7:27] we start talking big about the fire
building.
[7:31] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[7:33] » Okay. Is there any other public comment
on something that's not on the agenda?
[7:41] Okay.
Um,
[7:46] I need an action to approve the business
meeting minutes of August 12th, 2026.
[7:53] » Move.
>> I'll second.
[7:55] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?
[8:01] Okay.
All in favor? I
[8:05] » I
wasn't there.
[8:09] Okay,
[8:12] motion carries.
Um,
[8:19] finance. We need an action item to
accept the August 2026 treasures report
[8:25] in bank transactions.
[8:30] » I'll make a motion that we accept the
August 2026 treasures report and bank
[8:34] transactions.
>> I'll second.
[8:36] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?
[8:43] Okay. All those in favor?
>> I
[8:45] » I
>> I
[8:47] » opposed none. Motion carries.
[8:52] Subdivision and land development.
Your country day school.
[8:58] He finally finished his project. I need
an action item to ratify the manager's
[9:03] authorization
for the engineer to inspect your country
[9:07] day school improvements for release of
security funds and to release fuel full
[9:13] security based on the engineers's
recommendation.
[9:17] » I'll make that motion.
>> Okay, we have a second.
[9:23] » Second.
>> Okay. Is there any public comment?
[9:29] All those in favor?
>> I
[9:31] » I
opposed none. Motion carries.
[9:36] Security release. York College nailer
eco sciences building.
[9:43] I need an action item to ratify the
manager's author authorization for the
[9:49] engineer to inspect your college nail
eosciences building improvements for
[9:55] release of security funds and to release
full security based on engineers
[10:00] recommendations.
>> I'll also make that re or that uh
[10:04] motion.
>> I'll second.
[10:05] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?
[10:12] Okay.
All those in favor? I
[10:17] » I oppose none. Motion carries.
1 Golf Club Drive, Regent's Glenn
[10:24] Clubhouse time extension waiver.
Um need an action to approve a 45day
[10:32] time extension waiver to November 19th,
2026 for Regent's Glenn Clubhouse plan.
[10:43] So moved.
>> Second.
[10:46] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?
[10:53] » All those in favor?
>> I
[10:54] » I
>> I posted none. Motion carries.
[10:59] Okay. Old business.
Fire station 892 Indian in Rock Dam
[11:06] Road. Request for payment MW Studios
invoice
[11:12] 24156-14.
[11:17] Uh I need to approve $968.98
[11:22] 90 payment to MW Studios using
unbudgeted funds from the building
[11:29] improvement fund.
>> So move second.
[11:35] » Motion to second. Is there any public
comment?
[11:40] All those in favor?
>> I
[11:43] » opposed, none. Motion carries.
[11:50] Um,
Windsor Park
[11:57] Public Park Rehabilitation Project
Resolution 2026-15,
[12:05] Windsor Park Rehab Project, York County
Open Space and Land Preservation Grant
[12:11] Application and Signing Authority.
Uh, the grant request is for $60,000. I
[12:19] need an action item to approve
resolution 2026-15
[12:24] Windsor Park Rehab project to York
County Open Space and Land Preservation
[12:29] Grant application and signing authority.
>> Gladly approve it.
[12:38] » Okay, we have a motion.
>> Second
[12:41] » and a second. Is there any public
comment?
[12:47] Okay. All those in favor?
>> I
[12:49] » I
>> opposed, none. Motion carries.
[12:54] Okay.
I can't wait to list projects done.
[13:02] Triill road, Tri Hill sanitary and storm
water sores project.
[13:09] Um, I need an action item to approve Tri
Hill Sores project change order number
[13:16] eight in the amount of $ 38,618.95.
[13:25] » This will settle any differences in
supply amounts using
[13:30] supply bid unit costs.
>> I'll make that motion.
[13:36] » Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a
second?
[13:39] » Second.
>> Okay. Is there any public comment?
[13:46] » I've been regularly posting on social
media about that being closed right now
[13:50] and yet I have still tried to drive that
way a couple of times.
[13:55] » Yeah. Well, we all have.
Okay. All those in favor?
[14:01] » I
>> I
[14:02] » I opposed. None. Motion carries.
Application for payment AFP
[14:10] number five final. The word final
in action to approve AFP 5 in the amount
[14:19] of $31,000
[14:24] $31,216.87
87
[14:29] to CPA pavement services in accordance
with the engineer's recommendation
[14:35] with 24,49120
[14:40] coming from liquid fuels
and 2
[14:46] 5169
from SOAR fund and 4,67398
[14:54] from the general fund.
[14:59] I will make that motion.
>> I'll second.
[15:03] » Motion second. Is there any public
comment?
[15:08] » Okay. All those in favor? I
>> I
[15:11] » I oppose. None. Motion carries.
Virginia Avenue Storm Water and Sanitary
[15:19] Source Project.
Application for payment AFP1
[15:26] in action item to approve AFP1 in the
amount of $91,613
[15:34] to Roguel LLC from general fund.
[15:40] » I'll move that we approve application
for payment number one in that amount to
[15:45] Roguel.
>> I'll second.
[15:48] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?
[15:54] Okay. All those in favor?
>> I
[15:57] » I oppose none. Motion carries.
Vehicles and traffic ordinance
[16:04] amendment.
This would be um in our code book
[16:09] 300-12, maximum speed limits established
on certain streets.
[16:16] And we're going to establish a speed
limit of 25 m an hour on South Yale
[16:24] Street as advertised by
LTA PIG.
[16:30] » That's ad.
>> And then we have 300-18
[16:35] stop intersections established.
We're looking to establish a four-way
[16:41] intersection at Second Avenue and South
Belellmont Street.
[16:46] In an action item to direct staff and
solicister to draft and advertise
[16:51] chapter 300 ordinance amendment
establishing a 25 mph speed limit on
[16:56] South Yel Street and to establish a
four-way intersection at Second Avenue
[17:02] and South Belmont Street based on the
advisement of an LTA
[17:09] traffic study.
>> So moved.
[17:12] » Okay,
>> I'll second. Motion to second. Is there
[17:16] any public comment?
>> Greg, did we get any input from them as
[17:21] to how to ensure the safety farther down
Belmont Street?
[17:26] » Um,
>> yes, I did.
[17:28] » Okay.
>> I got their recommendation. Um, we're
[17:31] going to paint a single line.
>> Okay.
[17:34] » From where the entrance was to the old
hospital.
[17:37] » Okay.
>> And but it has to be at the correct
[17:41] angle. That's why we have to go back so
far. And you don't do the intersection.
[17:46] You go to what would be the
uh south side of third. Start that
[17:54] transition just keep traffic over that
way.
[18:03] » Okay.
I got
[18:12] » What does LTA stand for?
>> Local technical assistance program. It's
[18:18] a program offered from Pendot
for
[18:23] municipalities, burrows, cities. It's a
free up to a certain point. So, at this
[18:31] point, we're getting great advice and
[18:36] Yeah, it's free.
So,
[18:41] » okay. So, Rick, you want to come up?
[18:52] Ricky Dubs, 545 South Oant Street.
Would somebody explain to me, in other
[19:00] words, where on South Yale Street is
this involved with
[19:08] » all of South from Mount Rose to Spawn?
>> All of South Yale.
[19:14] » Yes.
>> Do you understand? South Yale goes from
[19:18] Market Street to Mount Rose Avenue.
>> Correct.
[19:22] » So, in other words, we're talking in the
boulevard still.
[19:26] » Correct. Neighborhood pro neighborhood
area should be posted 25 miles an hour.
[19:34] » Okay.
>> So, in other words, there will be signs
[19:38] posted 25 mph speed limit.
>> Right. I don't think that's a change for
[19:45] between market and sixth. I think that's
what it is right now.
[19:49] » Well, this said South Yale Street. South
Yale starts at Market, goes to Mount
[19:54] Rose,
>> right? I'm just saying I think that's
[19:57] already 25 miles hour.
>> It's all 25 miles an hour without the
[20:02] sign.
>> It's supposed to be, but we're putting
[20:05] signs up so our police department can
enforce it.
[20:10] » Okay. So, in other words,
we're spending money for something that
[20:16] doesn't need posting because you're not
going to get a speeder. We can't even
[20:23] get police protection, much less
speeding. But now, question comes in. I
[20:30] talked to my commissioner
last meeting
[20:34] and there's no signs for speed limit on
OAT Street,
[20:41] Midland Avenue.
Are we going to do anything? Cuz when
[20:47] the gentleman wanted that sign put up
about speed limit, all it did was force
[20:54] the traffic from Yale Street to Oon
Street. more traffic. Then it went back
[21:00] to normal.
In other words, when they took the which
[21:05] they put the sign up backwards, wrong
location, this and that. But my question
[21:11] is, what about other township residents?
We have the same problem. We have school
[21:20] buses on Oant Street. We got a daycare
on the corner of Oant and
[21:28] Prospect Street.
Don't we rate
[21:34] signs?
>> I think you have signs in there.
[21:38] » I think you have signs in there.
>> You think we do not have signs?
[21:45] Take my word or call my wife. She can
tell you too cuz she looked for them.
[21:54] So, are we going to get, you know, oh,
look at it.
[22:01] » Yeah, I guess. Yeah,
>> but it's automatically 25 miles an hour
[22:08] » in a street in that location.
[22:13] » There there are signs on Midland Avenue
South.
[22:16] » There are signs of Midland Avenue south
of Mount Rose. You're saying there are
[22:19] none north of Mount Rose.
>> North of Mount Rose.
[22:24] » Midland Avenue doesn't go north of Mount
Rose. So, I'm not I'm not sure what you
[22:28] mean that there are no signs. There are
>> There's no signs on South Shale Street.
[22:33] 25 mile RP limit.
>> No, we're talking Yeah, that's what
[22:36] we're doing right now.
>> Signs on Midland and on Oans. And I know
[22:41] there are signs on Midland.
>> There are.
[22:43] » Yeah.
>> We have to keep going here.
[22:46] » Yeah. because I mean I know on oans we
don't have them.
[22:50] » Okay. Well, we can check into that,
>> you know,
[22:56] but we're doing something
that we don't need to do. That's why I
[23:01] don't understand
cuz
[23:05] he'll tell you how much a sign cost.
I don't have to.
[23:10] » We got a man in charge of that
department. We've gotten multiple
[23:14] citizen complaints about speeding on
South Yale. So,
[23:18] » you had
>> Okay. Thank you for your comments, Mr.
[23:23] Dubs.
Okay. Is there any other public comment?
[23:30] Okay. All those in favor? I
>> I
[23:35] oppose none. Motion carries. New
business.
[23:40] Uh Resolution
[23:46] 2026-
>> 16
[23:50] » 16
Okay. Um
[23:55] let's see that
Benjamin. Come on up.
[24:05] Good evening. Uh thank you for allowing
me the opportunity to speak with you
[24:09] tonight. Uh, first off, I want to
sincerely thank the Spring Garden
[24:13] Township Board of Commissioners, Mr. W,
Chief Hoff, and York County Regional
[24:17] Police Department for the continued
support you've shown First Capital EMS
[24:21] over the years. Um, and more
importantly, for your continued
[24:24] commitment to the health and safety of
the citizens we all serve. Uh tonight
[24:30] I'm asking the township to sponsor First
Capital EMS for an LSA category 4 grant
[24:35] application that would help us begin
replacing our aging fleet of cardiac
[24:39] monitors. Uh cardiac monitors are one of
the most important pieces of equipment
[24:44] we carry on our ambulances. They're the
reason why ALS service happens. Um, they
[24:51] allow our crews to monitor a patient's
heart rhythm, obtain 12 lead ECGs,
[24:55] provide defibrillation when necessary,
and gather critical information that
[24:59] helps guide patient care. Currently, we
have 10 cardiac monitors that need to be
[25:03] replaced. But I want to make it clear
for everybody in attendance, we're not
[25:08] asking Spring Garden Township to solve
the entire problem for us. Uh, in fact,
[25:13] we're taking a very deliberate and
financially responsible approach to
[25:17] addressing this. and some of our
monitors right now we currently use
[25:21] LifePack 15s but we have version one and
version two uh of those units and
[25:27] unfortunately the V1's and V2s have been
considered obsolete by Striker so they
[25:33] no longer carry parts for it and that's
been 2 and 1/2 years since that since
[25:37] they made that determination and that's
that's a big concern for me uh and it's
[25:42] a big concern for our patients and the
residents that we serve because if we
[25:47] can't get these parts. Those monitors
become paper weights. They're not worth
[25:51] anything. They don't do anything. And
that doesn't help anybody because we
[25:56] don't have cardiac monitors that we can
put on a unit. That means we have to
[26:00] take that unit out of service, which
means less units on the street for our
[26:04] residents.
Um, you know, they are critical pieces
[26:08] of life-saving equipment and our crews
know that they or our crews need to know
[26:14] that they can depend on it and we can
maintain it, service it, and keep it
[26:18] operational. Uh, and that's why we're
looking ahead rather than waiting for
[26:22] something to fail because we've done
that way too long in EMS. We react
[26:25] instead of being proactive and we're
trying to change that and we're not
[26:29] looking at it simply as trying to buy
something new or fun or different. Uh
[26:35] the lifepac 35 is the current generation
platform and provides significant
[26:40] enhancements. Uh it has a larger and
high definitionition touchscreen. Uh the
[26:45] ability to display more waveforms and
patient parameters. So our u diagnostic
[26:50] equipment we can see much more at once
on one screen. Um, we have expanded ECG
[26:56] capabilities, pediatric AED
functionality, and CPR insight
[27:00] technology that gives us immediate live
feedback on the CPR that we're
[27:05] performing. Uh, the LifePac 15s
currently don't do that. Our goal is to
[27:10] make an investment that will serve First
Capital EMS and Spring Garden Township
[27:14] for many years rather than simply
replacing an aging monitor with another
[27:17] aging platform. The quote we have
obtained is for two life pack monitors
[27:21] and the associated equipment with a
total cost of approximately $133,000
[27:26] including shipping and handling.
Two monitors represent only 20% of the
[27:31] 10 that we ultimately need to replace.
But we're okay with that because 20% is
[27:37] better than zero. And that philosophy is
really representative of how we've been
[27:41] approaching First Capital EMS as a
whole. We've been very intentional uh
[27:46] about being responsible stewards of our
resources. Uh you know, as an example,
[27:50] we've been right sizing our fleet. Uh we
sold two ambulances and an SUV that no
[27:55] longer made sense for our operational
needs. And rather than simply replacing
[27:59] those vehicles with more ambulances, we
strategically reinvested those resources
[28:04] into a pickup truck uh that will serve
as a dedicated uh rehab, mass casualty,
[28:09] and ALS response vehicle to serve the
fire companies and also the communities.
[28:16] Uh we've been very aggressively pursuing
grants and outside funding opportunities
[28:20] for equipment, training vehicles, and
other operational needs. And we're doing
[28:23] that because we understand that
financial responsibility isn't simply
[28:27] about asking municipalities for money
whenever we need it. It's about looking
[28:31] at what we have, determining what we
actually need, making smart decisions
[28:36] with the resources available to us, and
pursuing every outside funding
[28:40] opportunity we possibly can. And this
cardiac monitor project is a perfect
[28:43] example. We have a legitimate capital
need. We have aging equipment that needs
[28:47] replaced. and we've identified that
equipment that we believe makes the most
[28:52] sense for our organization instead of
simply coming to our municipal partners
[28:56] and saying, "Hey, we need $133,000
because I'm sure that would go over
[29:00] really well in, you know, September."
Um, we're asking for your help in
[29:06] leveraging an outside funding
opportunity is what we're going for. Uh,
[29:10] and that's why Spring Garden Township is
so important to us. This grant requires
[29:14] municipal sponsorship and by sponsoring
First Capital, you're giving us the
[29:18] opportunity to compete for funding that
could provide approximately $133,000
[29:22] worth of cardiac monitoring equipment. I
know there's no guarantee we'll get it,
[29:27] but without a municipal sponsor, we
don't even get that opportunity. And I
[29:32] think that's and I think it's an
important distinction we talk about
[29:35] financial stability and fiscal
responsibility. We're not asking the
[29:38] township to purchase these monitors.
We're asking you to help us pursue
[29:41] funding that could significantly reduce
the financial burden on that would be on
[29:45] us to replace them. If we're successful,
we replace two monitors. Then we'll
[29:50] pursue funding for the next two, then
the next two, and eventually we'll get
[29:54] all 10 replaced. And that's how we're
approaching it. One opportunity, one
[29:58] grant, one investment at a time. Um, we
also understand Spring Garden has to be
[30:04] careful about how you use your own
resources. We understand that every
[30:08] dollar has competing demands. Uh that's
why we're not asking you to simply take
[30:14] our word for it that this is a
worthwhile investment.
[30:17] Showing you we're putting our own house
in order. We're making strategic
[30:20] decisions about the resources we have
and we're actively looking for ways to
[30:24] bring outside funding into the
organization.
[30:29] It's a municipality and its EMS provider
working together to make an investment
[30:33] in the safety of the community. So on
behalf of First Capital EMS, I want to
[30:37] thank you not only for considering this
request tonight, but for the partnership
[30:41] and support you've provided to us. We're
asking you to help us take the first
[30:46] step in in fixing our cardiac monitor
issue.
[30:53] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Any questions for me?
[30:57] » I don't think so. It's pretty cut and
dry.
[31:01] Thank you.
>> Okay. Okay, I need an action item to
[31:04] approve resolution 202616,
First Capital Cardiac Monitors LSA Cat 4
[31:12] grant application and signing authority.
>> So move second.
[31:21] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second. Is there any public comment?
[31:26] Okay, all those in favor.
>> I opposed none. Motion carries. And I
[31:32] wanted to comi com commend you guys on
the reduction in call time that you
[31:37] reported on your monthly report this
been trying we've been trying to make
[31:41] better better decisions.
[31:45] » Okay. Commissioner constituent
representation.
[31:51] I would personally like to thank public
works for
[31:56] getting the graffiti
as well as they could off the Wrath Road
[32:01] Bridge.
Um there was a fence of
[32:06] there was there was more Nazi symbols
and
[32:10] um
words I'm not even going to say.
[32:15] Um
so thanks for that Craig. Appreciate it.
[32:23] Um, that's pretty much the extent of my
comments.
[32:32] Commissioner
Pinkerton.
[32:35] » Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I I was not
um in attendance at the last uh board of
[32:41] commissioners meeting and um thank you
for excusing me for that. So, um I just
[32:44] wanted to mention that because uh some
of my remarks here are going to reflect
[32:48] um uh some of the period that includes
uh the month of August in into September
[32:53] here. Uh but I I I just wanted to start
on a note of appreciation. Um and we
[32:57] have had conversations as recently as
this evening concerning traffic issues.
[33:01] Um traffic issues, concerns that have
been expressed um in these public
[33:06] meetings um and suggestions in fact as
to how traffic uh might be addressed
[33:11] differently. And I just want to
acknowledge the good work that has
[33:13] happened. Um earlier this evening we
took action on a issue pertaining to
[33:20] Second Avenue and South Belmont Street
which is terrific. Um I wanted to
[33:24] specifically thank manager White uh
Superintendent Rule uh Chief Damon um
[33:30] and the LTAP engineer um for just uh not
just the professionalism but the
[33:35] expeditious approach that was taken
relative to these traffic issues. I
[33:38] appreciate uh the seriousness and again
the the the the the responsiveness um on
[33:43] that. So, thank you very much. I know
that it's an ongoing evolving issue.
[33:46] Obviously, traffic concerns and and
accidents are are prevalent all around
[33:50] us and just that that those issues are
in good hands uh provides I think some
[33:54] comfort for me and the folks uh in in in
W 2. So, thank you. Um I I secondly
[34:01] wanted to address some concerns that um
were heard as recently as this evening
[34:06] um and and and last month as well. And
that relates to the bike lanes on uh
[34:11] Belmont Street specifically. And I I I
note that uh Mr. Dubs uh stepped stepped
[34:15] out of the room right now. He did pass
me a note uh before leaving that says,
[34:19] "Have you done," he's referring to me
specifically, "Have you done any survey
[34:23] on bike path at Old Hospital?" He's
referring to Belmont Street. and he's
[34:27] raised this before and I understand he
raised it in my absence the last month
[34:30] in the month of August. Um I just wanted
to briefly say a couple things about
[34:34] bike lanes and the bike lanes uh on
Belmont Street in particular. Um the
[34:39] first is is that I think and and I hope
and I think uh Superintendent Rule would
[34:44] agree um that we we're off to a good
start here but but that certainly
[34:47] there's room for improvement, right? And
I think the fact that in response to
[34:51] Commissioner Gray's question, you know,
Superintendent Rule pointed out that
[34:54] yeah, we're going to make little changes
and we kind of make this better as we
[34:56] go. Um, so that's that's to say that
it's not perfect to begin with, but it's
[35:00] getting better. Um, with respect to this
idea of how much use the bike lanes are
[35:06] getting. I wanted to first offer that
um, in general, in a very general sense,
[35:10] ridership in bike lanes anywhere uh,
increases when um, destinations are
[35:17] connected. So the point here is I think
oh we're just in phase one. We don't
[35:21] have a phase two yet. So we don't have
an absolute uh destination and therefore
[35:26] I don't think can get too upset that the
bike lane is not filled with traffic. So
[35:29] that's point number one. Secondly uh I
think I think most everyone can agree
[35:34] that there's a need for um education on
bike lanes in general. How to properly
[35:39] use them how they are used um who
belongs there in what ways and and and
[35:43] and how that particular facility is
used. Um, and that goes hand inhand with
[35:48] awareness. So, I don't think it's it's
it's completely fair for anyone to sit
[35:53] back and say, "Oh, the bike lanes aren't
being used." When in fact, I don't know
[35:56] that we've done a whole lot to make
folks aware that aware that they exist
[36:00] in the first place. So, I think there's
just a general education, awareness that
[36:04] needs to happen before we can stand back
and and make a judgment call as to
[36:07] whether or not the bike lanes are used.
Lastly, uh, in terms of bike lanes, um,
[36:12] bikes move people quickly. Um, I've
lived in and visited uh some of the most
[36:18] bike friendly communities in the United
States, and I can tell you not once have
[36:22] I ever seen a bike lane that's congested
where it's bumper-to-bumper bikes. It
[36:25] just doesn't happen. Bikes move uh uh
efficiently. Uh they don't cause traffic
[36:29] jams. And so, I think when people see
empty bike lanes, what they're actually
[36:32] seeing is efficiency in a form of
transportation. So, um, again, there's
[36:37] room for improvement on the bike lanes
that we've started here in Spring Garden
[36:40] Township, but I but but but I want folks
to know that, um, efforts are being made
[36:44] to make those better. And again, I think
education and awareness with respect to
[36:47] those bike lanes is very important as we
as as we move forward. Um, last point I
[36:53] wanted to make. I was uh not able to uh
add my voice to the congratulations on
[36:58] the $2.5 million uh that we received for
the RACK P award specific to the fire
[37:04] service and emergency service center uh
that that we will build. So so so I am
[37:08] very much appreciative of that and I
think we all owe a debt of thanks to uh
[37:12] uh state senator Christristen Phillips
Hill and and and state representative
[37:16] Carol Hill Evans. So so thank you uh and
congratulations to the folks working on
[37:20] that project. Um, and lastly, since uh,
Chief Damon's here, I just wanted to
[37:24] point out I did review the the last
meeting and and noted um, some really
[37:29] good information that Lieutenant
Zimmerman had provi provided. Uh, I
[37:33] think intended to be in response to uh,
some of the feedback that he had
[37:37] gathered from from meetings like this in
which residents and others may have made
[37:40] comments that uh, there wasn't maybe a
visual or a real presence of police. And
[37:46] I think the numbers bear out uh as as
Lieutenant Zimmerman presented that in
[37:50] fact offensives, you know, offenses have
actually increased. And so I think what
[37:55] I took from that presentation um that
Lieutenant Zimmerman gave was that um
[38:00] you know the work the hard work
continues. Hard work is being done. And
[38:03] if you compare the two years in fact um
from the time that this the the Spring
[38:08] Garden had its own police department to
where we are today on a regional basis,
[38:11] a lot of good work has been
accomplished. and and and you know
[38:15] that's that's that's definitely worth um
I think an acknowledgement of just not
[38:20] just pulling the data together but but
presenting it in such a way that made
[38:23] sense and I think makes makes a strong
uh uh argument as to um the the the
[38:29] value and and the good work that your
county regional police department is
[38:32] doing. So thank you Chief Damon and and
my thanks to Lieutenant Zman as well.
[38:35] Thank you.
>> Nothing further m
[38:38] » Okay, Commissioner Gray.
Um to jump off of that, I wanted to
[38:44] mention that um in the police commission
meetings for the regional, we get to
[38:48] enjoy something that we used to enjoy
here in this with this body, which is
[38:54] the award ceremonies for our police
officers. Um and um
[39:01] so I will try to um in the future it
occurred to me let the rest of my
[39:06] commissioners know when awards are being
given out at the commission meetings in
[39:10] case you want to come and participate in
congratulating our officers. And I'll
[39:15] just mention for instance that in August
the our um one of our K9 units um Jesse
[39:23] Maine and K9 officer Tango were awarded
the Fiat Justicia Award by the
[39:28] organization our rescue uh for their
work over the years uh involving child
[39:34] exploitation investigations. So that was
not an award that we gave out. That was
[39:39] an award that they received though and
we're very proud of them. Um
[39:44] um kind of continuing on first uh
responders. Uh everybody knows we're
[39:50] approaching the 25th anniversary of 911
and um I was very proud to see that York
[39:56] Suburban High School will be hosting a
911 remembrance ceremony sponsored by
[40:01] the York County Commissioners on Friday
morning. That is an invitationon
[40:06] event because there's limited space, but
it's for our first responders and their
[40:11] families.
um and um to uh to recognize those who
[40:16] serve today, to remember those that we
lost and to honor all those who answered
[40:21] the call when our nation was attacked 25
years ago. And also I've spoken to the
[40:25] superintendent and our EMS group which
is supported by Yawer and by first
[40:30] capital our students who are studying uh
EMS are going to are very excited to be
[40:37] welcoming uh all these first responders
to the high school and planning to go
[40:41] with them as after the ceremony itself
they are going to
[40:47] uh symbolically do a 911 stair climb
representing the 110 floors of the World
[40:53] Trade. cent's twin towers. So, they're
going to go up and down the steps in the
[40:57] football stadium to climb 271 steps.
So, um that'll be quite the event. And
[41:05] um I um
so that's not a public one, but I did
[41:11] want to remind the public that everybody
is invited to the annual Court of Valor
[41:15] and Safekeepers Shrine ceremony at
Prospect Hill Cemetery honoring veterans
[41:19] and first responders. That's this Sunday
at 1:00 p.m. at Prospect Hill. And um on
[41:27] September 17th, uh I wanted to mention
um Luther, I just got the invitation to
[41:33] the next Yampo workshop. Um I don't know
if you guys are planning to go. Uh
[41:38] that's um Yampo is the York area
metropolitan planning organization and
[41:44] it is our uh decision-making
organization for transportation plans
[41:49] made done with federal funding. Um so I
am planning to attend so I unfortunately
[41:56] that'll make me at least half an hour
late to the staff picnic but um I will
[42:00] be there and the public is welcome to
attend that as well. So, um, other than
[42:06] that, I just, uh, echo what Dave said at
the earlier in the meeting. We're really
[42:10] looking forward to the work on Tri Hill
being done, but, um, we've really been
[42:16] enjoying this good weather. I'm so glad
that you got good weather for it.
[42:22] » Tomorrow, not so much. Yeah. So far,
yeah,
[42:25] » day by day.
>> Yeah, that's me.
[42:30] » Okay.
Commissioner Herold. Uh the first thing
[42:33] that I would uh well the pretty much the
only thing that I would like to say is
[42:37] um I e echo uh Commissioner Gray.
There's never a wrong time to express
[42:41] our thanks to the first responders, but
uh particularly as we approach the 25th
[42:46] anniversary. I think it's just um
important to um express our thanks, our
[42:50] gratitude, and to uh remember sort of
the cohesive um u environment that this
[42:57] country was uh we enjoyed after that.
And it's um never again never a bad time
[43:02] to uh to thank our first responders. So
I'll just leave it at that. Thank you.
[43:08] » Okay,
Commissioner Qu.
[43:12] » Okay.
Well, in reference
[43:16] to uh what we
passed a little bit earlier about a
[43:21] four-way stop sign at Second and South
Belmont,
[43:27] the intersection right down the street
from my house at Lancaster Avenue and
[43:32] South Street
is not getting any better.
[43:37] The other week, we had an incident down
there.
[43:41] young man got hit with a one of them
ebikes.
[43:45] Unfortunately, it was one of our
pickup trucks from the township.
[43:51] Now, he wasn't hurt or anything. Uh, and
it was his fault because he went right
[43:56] through the stop sign, never stopped,
and the driver of our pickup truck was
[44:04] that close to the intersection, he just
didn't have time to really stop
[44:07] completely.
and it clipped the back of his bike,
[44:13] but he got up and brushed himself off
and
[44:18] talked, you know, see if he was all
right and everything. He was. He got on
[44:21] his bike and left.
Um,
[44:26] now on that west side of that
intersection that where the stop sign
[44:32] is, there's been a car parked there for
the last four days.
[44:37] That whole side's been parked up and
it's right on top of the stop sign.
[44:43] Um, the other side's almost as bad.
So, um,
[44:51] we had another incident where, matter of
fact, this morning, a car come through
[44:57] that same stop sign,
went down towards Prospect Street, and
[45:02] at that stop sign went straight through
that up towards Hill Street.
[45:08] Um,
I had two I seen two of them come out of
[45:13] off of uh Maple and head towards Mount
Rose.
[45:19] And then the ones coming off of Mount
Rose are still flying down the street.
[45:24] Um,
[45:27] where one car he almost had an accident
at the same intersection.
[45:34] We thought he was going to hit the truck
that went through the stop sign.
[45:39] We measured his skid marks. They were
over 36 feet long.
[45:44] So that guy come down Mount Lancaster
Avenue off of Mount Rose, he was flying,
[45:50] but yet we're told constantly
nobody speeds up and down that street.
[45:57] Now I guess somebody's got to get killed
before we get something done on those
[46:02] intersections.
So,
[46:06] um,
I don't I don't know. I
[46:12] I I think I'm just going to give up on
trying to get something done that's
[46:15] going to be safe for that section of the
neighborhood because it's not worth
[46:20] fighting it anymore. We've been trying
for six years to get a four-way stop
[46:25] sign in there on both those
intersections.
[46:30] We can't get nobody to listen and nobody
wants to do anything. So, I guess
[46:34] somebody's going to have to get killed
before we get something done in this
[46:38] township for that. So,
that's all I got to say about it.
[46:50] There was an email sent about some
different configurations for that
[46:55] intersection,
but um yeah, we can talk about that
[47:00] later.
Um
[47:04] okay, township consultants. Um Beth, do
you have anything to add your report?
[47:11] » No, nothing to add this evening. Thank
you.
[47:14] Okay, Dave,
>> just to add on to Commissioner
[47:17] Pinkerton's remarks on the bicycle trail
usage, uh, phase two is actually in
[47:24] progress, which includes dedicated
parking adjacent to Elmwood Park and
[47:28] parking spaces behind Victory Fire
Company. So, that will help. The other
[47:33] thing I'd point out is that um little
known fact is Market Street and
[47:37] Philadelphia Street are part of Bicycle
Pennsylvania Route S which goes from
[47:42] Ohio to New Jersey. So you're within a
half a block of something that actually
[47:46] connects to two different states. So
give it a little bit of time to to catch
[47:51] on and I I think you'll find it'll get
some use.
[47:57] » Yep. Thank you.
Um, Chief Hoff.
[48:04] » Okay.
[48:08] Um,
Chief Damon.
[48:12] » Yes, I do. Thank you. Um, just wanted to
remind everyone that on um, Sunday the
[48:20] 13th, there will be a Court of Valor
ceremony at Prospect Hill Cemetery.
[48:26] And at that ceremony, we will be uh
honoring and recognizing fireman John
[48:31] Peters, who was a Spring Garden Township
Police Officer and Firefighter who died
[48:37] in the line of duty on April 6, 1937.
So, in his passing, his uh recognition
[48:45] of dying in the line of duty has been
lost to time. Um, but I would say thanks
[48:50] to our uh part-time grant writer and uh
Spring Garden Township resident Samantha
[48:56] Dorm, she was able to uh uncover this
information and bring it to the
[49:01] attention of uh Prospect Hill Cemetery
where where uh Officer Peters can
[49:06] finally be recognized where his family
is actually coming from out of town uh
[49:11] for this ceremony.
So uh that is part of that for that uh
[49:17] incident. Yes. And again on um Friday
uh 911 and a lot of us uh first
[49:24] responders have been uh started before
this or started after 911 and we
[49:30] continue to recognize the sacrifice of
of all first responders especially those
[49:35] that uh we lost on that day and um I I
don't think it's lost on us to uh to
[49:41] remember them and so that they're
they're never forgotten uh for what they
[49:45] did And um so just uh just to identify
some of the the other issues and and uh
[49:53] Commissioner Pickerton, I appreciate
your comments uh on the police activity.
[49:59] I would I would also be remiss if I
didn't say that the police department
[50:04] has been reviewing an unsolved homicide
uh from 2008
[50:10] » uh which is taking up some time and and
that is not police uniform time. So
[50:16] there's still police officers on patrol.
Um you have two to three of them in the
[50:22] township at any one time and many times
more than that. Uh as I personally came
[50:27] in on July 31st to do some uh activity
in the morning hours between midnight
[50:33] and 5:00 a.m. Uh and there was five of
us the entire time in the township.
[50:38] » And thank you for that, Chief.
>> Yep.
[50:40] Um, so there they're although you may
not see them, they are there. And um,
[50:49] I want to make sure that we also address
the unsolved homicide in a family that
[50:53] hasn't had justice in the last 18 years.
So we are diligently working on that and
[50:59] hopefully we'll have a resolution to
that in the near future. So I I get what
[51:05] you're saying. Um, I'm also, uh,
Commissioner Guilt, an accident
[51:10] reconstructionist. I've been qualified
in court as an expert and 36 feet of of
[51:15] skid marks is only 29 miles an hour. So,
that's that's the formula and that's the
[51:22] facts because I just sat here and did
that. So, I I understand that
[51:25] perception.
>> I understand the perception may be that,
[51:29] but uh, I am qualified as an expert in
accident reconstruction.
[51:32] » There's a woman driving the car, not a
guy. So,
[51:35] » I don't know that that has anything to
do with the with the with the skid
[51:40] marks, but um I do appreciate the
opportunity to uh be a part of this
[51:45] township. I know the officers uh enjoy
and I know a lot of the officers from
[51:50] Spring Garden have enjoyed the merger.
So, we continue to work towards uh
[51:55] satisfying all the needs of the citizens
and the commission and we continue to do
[51:59] that work. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[52:04] » Okay. Thank you, Chief Damon.
Uh, Township Administration Luther, do
[52:10] you have anything to add to your report?
>> Nothing to add.
[52:13] » Okay.
>> I just wanted to note that Luther's
[52:16] report included that our website is now
fully ADA accessible. So, congrats to
[52:21] the staff for achieving that. It's
great.
[52:30] » Okay. Um, zoning and codes enforcement.
Okay,
[52:39] Craig.
>> I have nothing to
[52:42] » Okay.
[52:46] And
Katie's recovering, so
[52:53] he um she'll be out for a little bit.
>> Recovery from surgery, if anybody's
[53:00] » Yeah.
[53:08] I didn't say that.
>> Okay. Is there any other public comment
[53:14] at this time
about something that's not on the
[53:18] agenda?
[53:23] » Missy Stewart, 1161 Hollywood Terrace. I
would also like to give kudos to Luther
[53:27] and the staff. At last month's meeting,
I made mention that the newsletter was
[53:31] not correct on the website. It was old
version and like within a day, y'all had
[53:35] that fixed. So, thank you for doing
that.
[53:47] » Robera Bafo, 1080 Grand View, I just
wanted to thank you for putting the
[53:52] workshop on Savvy Citizen. It was really
helpful for me and it allowed me to
[53:56] come. And I was also since we're talking
about Savvy Citizen hoping that you
[54:01] could
I'm I'm just suggesting that maybe we
[54:05] put all our meetings on Savvy Citizen
via Port of Commissioners Recreation
[54:09] Commission as a way to promote
recreation
[54:13] and send it out to everybody so they
know when it is and also when we cancel
[54:19] meetings like recreation or planning
commission so I know not to show up as
[54:23] well. Thank you.
[54:31] Hi everybody. Amy Mitten, 653 Malberry
Street. Um, nice to see you all. Haven't
[54:37] seen you guys in a while. I've been a
little held up with family stuff, so I
[54:41] haven't been able to make it to most of
the meetings, but I'm happy to be back
[54:44] this month and on a good month when
we're getting uh some stuff for the
[54:50] rehab for the parks in in my
neighborhood. So, I'm very happy about
[54:54] that and wanted to thank you all for for
that effort as well. Um, I wanted to
[54:59] make a comment to uh your your com your
your complaints regarding the traffic in
[55:05] your neighborhood. I agree with you. It
has the we you and I have both had
[55:11] complaints about our neighborhoods and
speeding and the traffic for many many
[55:14] many years. My comment is more along the
lines of Mr. Pinkerton
[55:21] just started this year and already has a
four-way stop sign under his belt. What
[55:25] is he doing that maybe you could emulate
perhaps and and assist? If there's
[55:31] anything that you did to assist to get
that done, perhaps you could help Mr.
[55:35] Guilt
>> and in getting that done instead of
[55:38] siloing in our wards, maybe working
together to get those things worked out
[55:44] » so we don't have to complain about them
for many years.
[55:46] » Good. I'm not I'm not I'm not accusing
anyone of not doing what they wanted to
[55:51] do. I'm just making a suggestion of
maybe collaborating a little bit to you
[55:57] know you were you were successful.
Perhaps you could share your success
[56:00] with with him and maybe he can find the
missing piece that he's been looking
[56:04] for. That was my only comment. Thank you
very much.
[56:11] Is there any other public comment?
[56:16] Okay.
Somebody want to make the motion to
[56:20] adjurnn?
>> So moved.
[56:24] » Motion to have a second. Okay. All those
in favor? I
[56:28] » I
>> journed.
[56:36] Chief, all I know is that you've been at
each meeting you've been at, we've been
[56:40] under an hour. So, I mean, you know,
>> I don't know.
[56:51] » That's true.
[57:03] Do you know if that's Um,