[0:11] Good afternoon everyone. We'll go ahead
and get the Springdale Airport
[0:15] Commission meeting called to order. Roll
call vote, please.
[0:21] A roll call, please.
>> Greg Collier
[0:24] » here.
>> Joe Gardner
[0:26] » here.
>> Cameron McCarron
[0:28] » here. Micah Thomasson,
>> Steve Smith,
[0:32] » I'm here.
>> Mike Goff
[0:34] » here.
>> Jimmer
[0:36] » here.
>> All right. Thank you. Has everyone had
[0:40] an opportunity to review the minutes
from the January 15th meeting?
[0:46] Any questions, comments?
[0:51] » I make a motion we approve the meetings
as written.
[0:54] » I'll second it.
>> A motion and a second. All in favor say
[0:58] I.
>> I.
[1:00] » All oppose. Same sign.
>> All right. Any comments from the
[1:05] audience today? If so, you've got uh
three minutes to address the commission.
[1:11] Please state your name and tell us why
you're here.
[1:14] » Hi, my name is Don Cop. I've flown out
of Springfield airport since 1991.
[1:19] I have a plane base there. I filled out
an application for board member uh
[1:24] membership. I didn't get any official
response. So, one, I wanted to know if I
[1:28] need to do anything else. And then also,
I was reading the requirements. Uh, do
[1:32] you need to be a resident of the city of
Springdale to be a member of the board?
[1:37] I was a little bit unclear on that.
>> I don't believe so, Ernest. That that's
[1:41] no longer, is it?
[1:52] I think you just had to be a qualified
elector of the state.
[1:59] » Okay. Well, that's good. I I didn't know
for sure. I saw something in writing
[2:02] that seemed to imply you had to be a
Springdale resident, but um
[2:05] » I can verify that.
>> Okay. Good.
[2:07] » One way or the other, we'll get whether
it's through the mayor's office, but
[2:10] we'll reach out to you.
>> Okay, good. Uh, is there anything else I
[2:15] need to do besides submitting the uh
application?
[2:18] » No, we don't have a vacancy on the
airport commission currently, but uh if
[2:23] you've submitted that then that did you
submit that to the mayor's office?
[2:26] » Uh, yeah, I did it online. So, I think
it went to the mayor's office. Yes.
[2:30] » Okay. Then I'm sure he has a copy of
that and uh when the next availability
[2:36] comes up then he can address that.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[2:39] » Thank you for coming in.
[2:47] Okay, moving to number five on the
agenda, discussion of hangar 501
[2:52] assignment. So, just to
catch you up, uh this was brought to the
[2:59] commission's attention in October.
Um
[3:06] we had Mr. Dodson come in. He had uh
purchased an aircraft over a year ago
[3:15] and wanted to keep the hanger.
And I read to him and explained to him
[3:25] in the lease agreement under number 11,
subleting,
[3:30] ley may not sublet the premises in whole
or in part of assign or transfer this
[3:36] lease or any interest therein without
the prior written consent of the leor.
[3:42] Any such assignment without the leor's
consent shall be void and shall at the
[3:47] option of less terminate this lease. And
so I ruled uh after he had let us know
[3:52] that he bought it over a year ago that
that voided the lease agreement. Uh it
[3:57] came to my attention that that needed to
go to a vote and so we're here today to
[4:03] readress this and take it to a vote.
>> Can I Mr. Chairman may I add a little
[4:08] more context?
>> Sure.
[4:10] » Uh what you stated is correct.
Uh
[4:15] the hanger the lease was to Dr. Makavoy
prior prior to that was Mr. Storm. It
[4:21] was transferred to Mr. Makavoy who then
sold the plane to Mr. Dodson. It's my
[4:26] understanding that the transaction of
the sale of the plane is currently in
[4:30] litigation
and there is a possibility that the sale
[4:34] of that plane
uh that transaction could be voided. Uh
[4:40] Mr. Dodson has indicated to me, I can't
speak for him, he's here, but he has
[4:44] indicated to me that he understands that
he is responsible
[4:48] uh if it the lawsuit does not turn out
in his favor. Um that he will be subject
[4:55] to the vote of this commission, but in
the meantime, he does he does understand
[5:00] and acknowledge that he's responsible
for any rent due actually started from
[5:04] October 22nd.
Um, so I just wanted to bring that to
[5:08] the commission's
attention that there is pending
[5:11] litigation involving the plane that's in
this hanger. It it's not really apples
[5:16] to apples, but it's similar to when
sometimes we have a reasonzoning request
[5:20] that might come to planning commission
that there's a lawsuit over the property
[5:24] and we're hesitant to take any action on
the property while there's litigation
[5:28] pending. So that's why I bring it to the
commission's attention that there is a
[5:33] possibility. I don't I don't know all
the intricacies of the case, but but
[5:37] there is a possibility that the sale
could be voided and the plane would be
[5:42] returned to Mr. Makavoy.
Uh and then it would be up to the
[5:46] commission whether to let him stay in
the hanger or if Mr. Dodson prevails in
[5:50] his lawsuit whether you let let it be
assigned. But Mr. Dodson has indicated
[5:54] to me that he would be willing to pay
the rent that is due for the hanger in
[5:58] the during the pendency of the
litigation.
[6:02] I think from conversation
he's responsible for that rent
[6:07] regardless.
>> That's true. But we don't know how I
[6:10] mean if you take a vote today
versus we don't know how long the
[6:14] litigation is going to go. Mr. Dodson
has indicated to me that however long
[6:18] the litigation may take whether it's a
month or eight months. Court dockets are
[6:22] slow sometimes, sometimes they're fast,
that he's willing, whatever that time
[6:25] period is, he understands that he's
responsible for that rent in the
[6:28] meantime.
>> Okay. that that really doesn't to me
[6:32] that doesn't really address why we're
here and why we're meeting on this. The
[6:37] and the reason for this coming back up
is because a vote was not taken on this
[6:44] back in October. I ruled on it as the
chairman because president had been set
[6:48] on these in the past um and it needed to
go to a vote. So that's why we're here
[6:54] to discuss that again. Mr. Mr. Dawson,
do you have anything different from what
[6:58] you presented in October today?
[7:07] » Thank you. My name is Ray Dodson. I live
at 3900 Shorts Lane, Springdale,
[7:12] Arkansas.
Just
[7:15] briefly,
this commission has voted
[7:20] the last issue with summit hangers, head
hangers. you've you've went ahead and
[7:26] issued people that was not on the
waiting list a hanger. So, I just want
[7:31] to let you all be aware of that
stipulation.
[7:35] Like I told the city attorney, I'm not
asking for any special favors.
[7:40] I'm just simple asking you for
consideration,
[7:45] equal protection, none of the law. You
gave it to one group, one guy, two of
[7:51] the guys.
And why not me? So, it's pretty simple.
[8:01] You've done it in the past. Your track
record is set out. You've done it. So,
[8:08] if you choose not to do it, if you want
to vote it up or down, you're welcome to
[8:11] do that. But like I said, I got the
litigation on the airplane and there's a
[8:16] good chance that,
you know,
[8:21] he's breached a contract and the
contract says clearly that I get the
[8:26] hanger. That's on him. Had a deposition
two days ago.
[8:31] And
I think this body
[8:35] needs to look at
the repercussions on down the road and
[8:40] and then there could be some because you
all have got federal guidelines you got
[8:46] to follow and trust me I've read federal
guidelines so I'm blew in the face but
[8:52] I'll take your vote. You guys decide
what you want to do. We'll take it up
[8:57] with the city attorney and and uh but
before I leave the podium, I want to
[9:03] give you all something. And uh Mr.
Koger, I had asked you a couple weeks
[9:08] ago, I sent you an email. You said you
never got it.
[9:14] And
>> were you addressing me?
[9:17] » Yes.
>> Okay. My name is not Mr. Coker, but go
[9:19] ahead.
>> What's your name? I'm sorry.
[9:21] » Mr. Cawer.
>> Cer. I'm sorry. Apologize.
[9:25] And I told you it was an FOR request and
you had mentioned to me that you're not
[9:30] going to answer it. So I'm going
officially today give you a FOI request
[9:36] and I think you would be advised to
listen to the city attorney what an FOI
[9:41] request is. You may have never got one,
but I'm going to give every one of you
[9:45] one and you got three days to comply. So
thank you.
[9:50] » Thank you. Thank you for your time. So,
uh,
[9:56] just to follow up on that, how we have,
uh,
[10:02] handled these in the past, it's a little
different than what Mr. Dodson is
[10:05] saying. From the FBO standpoint, there
was new lease agreements made through
[10:12] them to the individuals. how we've ruled
in the past from someone buying an
[10:19] aircraft
from an individual
[10:23] that that does not come to us then that
voids that lease and that's how we've
[10:28] represented that all along. So
>> if that would have been on your website
[10:35] you might it was not
>> any discussion from the commission on
[10:40] this
>> uh I got a question when did Dr. Makavoy
[10:44] terminate his rent on that hanger
>> October 22nd I believe.
[10:49] » Yes.
>> Of 25.
[10:52] » So he turned his turn it in. So we
should have had it here for reassignment
[10:59] to the next person on the list.
>> Well,
[11:02] » so that's when the airplane was sold or
was it a year back?
[11:06] » No. Um the that's when Dr. Makavoy
stopped paying the rent. the plane is
[11:12] still in the hanger.
So, it would take an eviction
[11:16] proceedings if if uh in order we can't
just go in there and it's like a house,
[11:22] you know, if you rent a house, you can't
just go on there and take the tenant
[11:25] out. You have to go through a specific
procedure to evict someone from the
[11:29] hanger.
>> That's my understanding.
[11:31] » Which we had started, but
>> in reviewing, and I'll take the blame
[11:35] for that, we didn't actually take a vote
on Mr. Dodson's request in October. So,
[11:38] that's why he's back today.
So, when did the plane actually sell?
[11:50] » From memory, at the October meeting, Mr.
Dodson said he bought it over a year
[11:55] ago.
>> I've got the bill of sale. It was sold
[11:58] on April 4th of 2024.
>> So, my understanding is that's when we
[12:05] voided the lease agreement with the
hanger. Mhm.
[12:08] » And if we' have known at that point, we
would have asked him to vacate at that
[12:11] point.
>> Well, I think Well, I don't I don't know
[12:15] that I if Mr. Dodson My understanding is
Mr. Dodson was the when he bought the
[12:22] plane, it was represented to him that
the lease came with the plane. Now,
[12:25] whether that was right or not is a
different story. If if
[12:32] the lease agreement that was in effect
at the time stated that Mr. Dodson would
[12:36] have had the right to come to this
commission before he consummated the
[12:40] sale to ask to have the lease
transferred. That that's what should
[12:43] have happened
and you know I obviously wasn't privy to
[12:48] all the conversations that took place
but again that's that's what's prompted
[12:52] this litigation
was that that representation was made
[12:55] and relied upon and here we are you know
almost two years later. James, can you
[13:01] tell us where if instead of uh just
taking over that lease incorrectly, if
[13:08] he had at that point been put on the
hanger list, what number he would be on
[13:12] the hanger list from that April of 24?
[13:17] » I was going to say that would be almost
to the end of the list.
[13:22] My my thinking with that is that um we
have always when
[13:28] a a lease has been terminated because of
subleasasing we have always ended that
[13:32] lease unless they have come before us
and asked with the exception of the
[13:37] recent issue that we had with summit
aviation and if I would say that we've
[13:41] ever deviated from our policy of the way
we handle things um that was the when we
[13:47] have made the change for that and our
change was that if that was
[13:51] misrepresented by Summit that they could
lease those hangers to uh Dr. Sh Dr.
[13:57] Adams is one that's in my head. Um then
we saw that if he had known that wasn't
[14:02] an option, he would have been on the
hanger lease or hanger list
[14:06] » and we would have put him on that list.
So that's that's what we chose to do in
[14:10] in that specific case. Now, it's a
little different of taking over a lease
[14:14] and there's no paperwork exchange with
the city versus Summit having an actual
[14:19] paper lease that those folks signed
saying that they had a space. So, I
[14:23] don't know if I I could see going both
directions
[14:26] that he definitely out of the hanger,
but secondly, we could put him on the
[14:30] hanger list where he would have been if
instead of getting that hanger
[14:35] incorrectly, he would have asked to be
on the list.
[14:40] Keep in mind when we're approaching this
that the precedent has been set and if
[14:46] we're going to make a change here then
we need to look towards the future on
[14:50] how we're going to address these as
well.
[14:55] You mentioned the plane was in
litigation um or some sort of dispute is
[15:02] do we know when that might be does that
void the sale? That's the question I
[15:06] have. Does it void the sale because it's
still in litigation?
[15:10] » The the relief requested by Mr. Dodson
in the pending litigation could
[15:16] theoretically involve the recision of
the sale. Yes.
[15:22] » But that is not
>> I can't speak for Mr. Dodson and his
[15:25] legal strategy, but I do know that that
is one of the possible outcomes in the
[15:30] litigation.
>> But that's not what's on the table
[15:33] today. If we have to address that, we
can address that.
[15:38] » It looks to me like Dr. Makavoy is the
one that's in error here because he
[15:42] transferred the lease of the airplane
without us giving us authority to he has
[15:49] no authority to transfer the lease with
the airplane.
[15:54] » Pursuant to the language of the lease
agreement, I agree with you. It it it's
[15:58] worth mentioning that Mr. I'm sorry, Dr.
Makavoy was actually transferred the
[16:03] lease from Mr. Storm in 2002.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
[16:15] » So, you're saying this lease agreement
has been transferred twice? No,
[16:19] » it was transferred once by permission of
the airport commission from Mr. Storm to
[16:23] Dr. Makavoy in 2002.
[16:28] Any
[16:33] more discussion?
[16:38] I'd ask for a motion.
[16:42] » I'd make a motion that we consider that
at least null and void and we put hanger
[16:46] 5-01
back up on the um list for the first
[16:51] available person.
>> I'll second.
[16:56] Have a motion and a second. Roll call
vote, please.
[17:03] » Omar,
>> yes.
[17:05] » McCarron,
>> yes.
[17:07] » Smith.
>> Thomasson.
[17:11] » Yes.
>> Smith's here.
[17:12] » Oh, Thomas.
>> I was going to ask if I could abstain,
[17:15] but I
What's the vote? Yes or no?
[17:21] » Okay. Yes.
>> Collier.
[17:24] » Yes. Gardner.
>> Yes.
[17:27] » G.
>> Yes.
[17:29] » Okay. Ruling has been made. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Dodson, for your time
[17:33] coming in.
>> Ernest, do you need anything from us?
[17:38] » No, sir.
>> Mr. Dodson is aware of his appeal
[17:42] rights.
>> And then if I can ask just uh how long
[17:48] um does Mr. Dodson have to go ahead and
have the plane removed from the hanger?
[17:52] He has 30 days to appeal this body's
decision to Washington County Circuit
[17:57] Court if he chooses to do so.
>> Outstanding. Thank you.
[18:01] » And if he does not,
>> then we will begin the proceedings to
[18:07] have him removed from the hanger at the
due to the vote today
[18:12] » all over again.
>> Yes, sir.
[18:14] » Okay.
>> All right. Just one question on the 30
[18:16] days. Um I felt like two months ago we
made it a change to that rule and
[18:21] extended it to 60 days. Is that right?
Do you remember that?
[18:25] » Giving people opportunity to
>> This is totally different.
[18:28] » Okay. Different situation.
[18:35] » Okay. Moving on. Number six update from
Summit. Brian,
[18:45] » good afternoon. Um, so you can see, um,
our, uh, January 26 fuel sales uh, are
[18:53] down from December, 4% and our 100
lowled sales are down 16% from December.
[19:00] Um,
I don't really have a have a reason for
[19:05] that. It's just nature of the business.
Um, and I also included in uh in our
[19:11] packet this time um a a price list of
our of our services that we provide um
[19:18] just for just transparency and everybody
can see what's going on and
[19:24] that sort of thing.
So other than that, uh do you have any
[19:29] questions for me?
>> Do you guys have the um aircraft
[19:33] services posted in numerous places
throughout the terminal? Um, yes, we
[19:38] have we have a uh our fuel prices listed
and the the services listed on the
[19:42] counter. And then we've also got a copy
behind the the counter that that our u
[19:47] our customer service folks and our line
guys used when we ring up people. That's
[19:51] if you'll note the numbers that are
listed on the left hand in the left mo
[19:55] left most column. Those are all of our
uh codes that we input into our our
[19:59] point of sale system just so our so it
knows what what we're charging. So
[20:04] that's what those numbers are. So, this
is a direct reflection of what we keep
[20:07] behind the the counter.
[20:13] » Any other questions?
>> Thank you, Brian. Appreciate you.
[20:17] » Thank you.
>> All right. Port from Mr. Kate.
[20:22] » I just have one thing. You probably
already know this already, but I made
[20:26] the announcement after the week after
the last airport commission meeting that
[20:29] I'm retiring at the end of April. And
the city council has already passed a
[20:35] resolution appointing Garrett Harlland,
city attorney, effective May 1st. He's
[20:39] already started working uh with me,
started last week. And so you will be
[20:44] left in fantastic hands. I think many of
you know Garrett already. He worked in a
[20:49] city attorney's office previously. Uh he
most recently was serving on the city
[20:53] planning commission.
So, and he's running for city attorney,
[20:57] and I think he'll do a great job.
>> All right. Thank you. Welcome, Garrett.
[21:03] » More.
[21:06] » All right, Austin. Operation report.
>> Okay. Well, I don't have too much to
[21:12] touch on today, but I'll go ahead and
start with Mr. Steve Clark from last
[21:16] month's meeting. Steve Clark was able to
keep his hanger. So, the few people that
[21:21] are above him did pass on that hanger,
and he's now the new lease holder
[21:24] effective February 1. So, we're happy
about that. Uh, we also did have, as far
[21:30] as rent goes, we had three past due
tenants and they were contacted, so they
[21:34] should be working on getting paid up.
And, uh, I guess the last thing I'll
[21:38] talk about, so a couple of months ago,
James and I had reached out to our fire
[21:43] department. We figured that with
everything going on and big things
[21:46] happening here at the airport that it
would be a good idea to, you know,
[21:51] reconnect and restrengthen that
relationship with our fire department.
[21:55] So, and as well as update making sure
that our emergency plan is current. So,
[22:00] we kicked that off with airport tours.
We brought the whole department through.
[22:04] We did six individual tours to do that
and uh we had a good time. It was very
[22:09] informative for everybody and it was it
was it was a very good deal. Next steps
[22:13] in that will be running tabletop
discussions and scenarios and then
[22:18] hopefully after that we'll be running
some active training exercises out on
[22:22] the airfield. So, but in saying all
that, I'd like to take a minute real
[22:26] quick to thank Joel Gardner and his team
at OT. You know, we appreciate Joel
[22:30] supplied a a bus for us to go up and
down the taxiways and the runways and go
[22:36] look at the proposed National Guard
facility. So, we thank you for that. And
[22:40] uh I'd also like to thank Brian over
here. So, Brian played a played a pretty
[22:45] big role in that too, helping out on the
tours. And boy, I tell you, we were a
[22:48] pair of a couple of master tour guides
by the end of all that. So, but it was
[22:53] fun. But anyways, I just wanted to fill
y'all in on that. I'm pretty excited
[22:56] about that. And that's all I got.
>> Any questions for Austin?
[23:04] Thank you, Austin
and James. Activity report?
[23:08] » Yes, sir. I don't know if anybody's
noticed, but we've had the guard u out
[23:12] in the field for the last couple weeks.
So, it's been nice seeing those
[23:16] helicopters flying around. So, um,
Austin is working on more insurance
[23:21] claim from lightning strike we had a
month or so back. So, apparently it's
[23:25] taking out more than just our approach
and papies. It's hit some of our sign
[23:29] boxes. So, he's working with Saber in
the city clerk's office to get that all
[23:35] back up and running. Um, operations were
still up from last year a little bit.
[23:40] Um, like I said, fuel sales is down.
Other than that, everything's still
[23:44] going great.
>> Awesome. Thank you, James.
[23:46] » Can I add to that? Uh, sure, Mr.
Chairman. So, James, uh, some numbers
[23:50] from yesterday. So, we were talking to
the tower yesterday and, um, 80 counts
[23:57] per clock hour um, getting over that.
They consider that a little bit of um,
[24:02] safety issue with only having one person
in the tower. Yesterday, they hit 77
[24:09] multiple times per clock hour yesterday.
And due to the military being there,
[24:13] nice weather, all that stuff. So, you
know, the traffic is increasing big time
[24:19] up there. So,
[24:23] » anything for James?
Thank you. And Greg, the Garver update.
[24:31] » Good afternoon, everyone. Let me just
see if I can get this plugged in really
[24:34] quick. Uh, I don't have too too large of
an update for you all today. Um, we've
[24:39] got two active projects, the uh,
strategic plan and the tower
[24:42] rehabilitation. Here it comes. Um I'll
talk about the strategic plan real
[24:47] quick. Um this one we we kicked it off
in September with the visiting session.
[24:50] Had another meeting in uh in January.
Our second meeting was in January. Um
[24:55] where we compared uh the the we compared
Springdale's airport to to other
[25:00] existing airports. Looked at their
facilities. Looked at other businesses
[25:03] on the airport. Um we also started to to
brainstorm what type of businesses and
[25:08] facilities we'd like to bring to the
airport. um and also looked at uh the
[25:12] land use um in and around the airport
and how we could potentially utilize
[25:16] that to uh to grow. And so um with our
next meeting which is scheduled for
[25:20] March, we're planning on bringing um
exhibits on land use alternatives. So
[25:25] this will be really what the strategic
plan, this is going to be the meat of
[25:28] the strategic plan. We'll start to see,
hey, where can we start looking to build
[25:32] new hangers? Where can we infill and
maybe utilize some of the unused space
[25:36] um at the airport now? So, um, March
20th is when that next meeting is. So,
[25:41] um, I should be able to have some
exhibits ready, um, for, you know,
[25:44] feedback, um, for that meeting. Any
questions about the strategic plan or or
[25:48] what we've accomplished so far?
>> Awesome. So, for the tower
[25:53] rehabilitation project, um, you know,
it's been ongoing for for quite a while
[25:57] now. Back in December, um, I reported
some, uh, quality issues with, um, a lot
[26:02] of the mill work, a lot of the cabinetry
um, in in the tower. Um, we we worked
[26:08] with the contractor. I know Micah was
there. We also James and Austin, we
[26:11] worked with the contractor to put
together a plan to get a lot of that uh
[26:15] quality issue um
sorted out. Um, and we were able to to
[26:20] get the contractor to uh clear up all of
the cabinet issues by uh January 22nd,
[26:25] which is when we had a final inspection
and punch list walk with the contractor.
[26:30] We we identified a handful of items um
in that January 22nd meeting. uh most of
[26:34] them related to um some of the the
drawers and plexiglass that goes along
[26:39] the bottom of the tower. And I can
actually show you some pictures of that
[26:43] real quick.
Um these are the these are the final or
[26:47] these are pictures from earlier today of
the tower. So there's some plexiglass
[26:50] down here that that was a little um
wobbly that that we were able to get
[26:55] sized correctly. Um otherwise the only
outstanding punch list item is an
[26:59] emergency radio. Um that's just on back
order right now with with the
[27:03] manufacturer. We expect that to be
delivered in March. So that clears up
[27:07] the whole phase one of the project, the
FAA money. Um we also talked about a
[27:11] second phase of the project with um some
of the state grant that we received for
[27:16] uh a generator, emergency generator and
also um HVAC. Um in this meeting with uh
[27:22] the the tower and the controllers, we
also identified a few other items. We're
[27:25] going to pick up some new chairs for
them um as well as make some lighting
[27:28] adjustments and give them a nice dimmer
switch so that they can make adjustments
[27:32] um for some of their evening operations.
So, um that phase two is under contract.
[27:38] Um right now we're working on on getting
them scheduled. Um and we do expect a
[27:42] little bit of a of a lead time on that
generator as it's something that's
[27:45] probably going to be six to eight weeks
out is what we is what we anticipate.
[27:49] But I'll I'll continue kind of scrolling
through some of these pictures um here,
[27:53] but I'm happy to answer any questions
that you have about the project.
[27:58] » Is there anything we can do about the
windows?
[28:04] » About I I've heard reports of them
leaking. Is that what you're referring
[28:07] to?
>> Leaking? Um they're sealed with duct
[28:09] tape on several spots. We have uh wasps
that make pretty frequent visits in the
[28:15] summertime. and
>> air flow. You can just feel air blowing
[28:19] through the duct tape that we've used to
seal those.
[28:22] » I can go ahead and answer that one,
Greg. So, with our insurance, with the
[28:25] company that we have coming in to put a
new roof on the tower, they have agreed
[28:30] to seal all the windows at no extra
cost. So, they're going to go ahead and
[28:34] do that while they're up there doing the
work.
[28:37] Do you I think we after that then we
need to talk to Mike or be there during
[28:42] a good rainstorm and see if we're still
having a lot of water intrusion because
[28:46] obviously walking up through there
there's a lot of if you go in the rain
[28:49] it's dripping all around you and if uh
you look around at some of the wood the
[28:54] plywood or whatever they used I guess
just to kind of stop some of the rain
[28:58] that's even rotted through that. So, I
know I know James has tried in the past
[29:02] and we've had other people come look and
we're just not able to figure out how to
[29:06] seal this thing. Um, maybe window
sealant will help. It's just hard when
[29:11] it's a metal building. But, um, and I
think we are, haven't we resealed the
[29:16] tower before? I think, and I want to, of
course, I don't want to get to speak,
[29:21] but I think the contractor is also going
to seal the tower before they repaint it
[29:25] as well. So, I think they're going to go
through and seal the whole entire tower.
[29:28] I know for sure they're doing the
windows, but I'm I'm kind of leaning on
[29:32] them to do that. I'm trying to get as as
much little extra stuff out of them as
[29:36] we can.
[29:42] » I take it that Mike is pleased with
everything.
[29:46] Uh yes, from the final inspection, we we
really pestered him about, hey, let's
[29:49] let's make sure we get everything
addressed here. Um and he gave us those
[29:52] list of items. Uh, we also had an
architect there that was the architect
[29:55] for this project and so they did a good
job generating the punch list. Um, I I
[30:00] haven't spoken to Mike probably in the
last couple weeks. Have you heard
[30:02] anything from him, Austin?
>> Okay. I'll I'll make sure to follow up
[30:06] with him, make sure he's happy and and
if he has any residual issues, we'll
[30:10] make sure to get them addressed.
>> Perfect. Thank you. Anything else for
[30:14] Greg?
>> All right. Thank you, Greg.
[30:17] » Thank you.
>> Any old business?
[30:22] So, this was brought to our attention uh
as far as airport rules, regulations,
[30:28] and the emergency plan. James, do you
want to speak to this real quick and
[30:31] then I'll follow up?
>> You bet. So, I was digging through some
[30:34] old folders and I found our old rules
and rags and I thought, well, we haven't
[30:38] touched it in a few years since 95. So,
I thought, well, probably want to look
[30:44] it over. And I know our emergency plan,
we've been updating that periodically
[30:47] coming up. So, um, Austin's been
updating the contacts and phone numbers
[30:52] in it, but working with the fire
department, we wanted to make sure
[30:54] everything was correct. So, I thought
it'd be a great time to update update
[30:58] the rules and regs.
>> And I would think most of those probably
[31:02] haven't changed, but they probably need
to have eyes on them at least.
[31:05] » Correct.
So, I think what I would ask is a couple
[31:10] of commission members working together
on this to review them and then bring
[31:15] back to the commission if there's any
volunteers to do that.
[31:20] » Review them separately,
>> not at the same time. Okay. Just making
[31:24] sure
>> unless it's recorded, right?
[31:26] » Correct.
[31:32] » They are in your packet, I believe, too.
Does everyone have a copy of the rules
[31:35] and rags in your packet today?
>> I'm I'm happy to review them. We just
[31:38] need by next meeting.
>> I think so. We're we're a week late this
[31:45] month, so we
Is that going to give me enough time?
[31:51] Do we need uh legal counsel to review
any of this as well or um That's what I
[31:57] was thinking.
>> We'll be happy to.
[31:59] » So, how do you want us to do that?
review, make notes of what we think
[32:03] concerns are, and then give that to you
to help us write.
[32:06] » Sure. If you want to just have it
brought back to the next airport
[32:10] commission meeting, which I believe is
March 19th,
[32:14] that should be time for us to
[32:18] unless you think we need another another
30 days, James or Austin,
[32:22] » I think that be fine.
>> Let's let's do that. Let's shoot for
[32:26] next meeting. Bring it to the commission
and then we can discuss it and then let
[32:31] city attorney take it from there.
So, we need one more volunteer. Anyone
[32:36] else willing to help with that?
>> I'll volunteer.
[32:39] » Thank you, Mike.
James, can they uh get with you with any
[32:45] questions they may have as well that
might expedite some of that?
[32:48] » Yes.
>> All right. Any questions on that?
[32:55] All right. Comments from commissioners.
[33:00] Mr. Kate, I have a question. These
folders that were given to us, can we
[33:05] just give those to you? How does that
work?
[33:09] » Well, um I don't know what the contents
of all I don't know if the contents are
[33:14] the same in every folder. So, it
depends. Um if they if some of those
[33:19] pertain to you personally as an airport
commissioner, then uh if you need some
[33:25] advice on perhaps
answering some of these, I'm happy to
[33:30] provide advice on any indiv any
individual
[33:35] uh items in the list of requests. So I
I've looked at this, but I don't know if
[33:41] they're all the same. So,
[33:47] » Ray, are all these the same?
>> I I'll just note it's it's dated
[33:52] February 3rd, but we received it today.
So, just for the record.
[34:02] » Any other comments?
>> I'll ask um who officially is the
[34:06] custodian of the records?
>> I guess that would be the city. depends
[34:11] on what the record is.
Some will be the city clerk, some will
[34:17] be the airport. It depends on what the
specific request may be.
[34:26] » I mean, a copy of the waiting list.
We're not going to have that. The city's
[34:29] going to have that, right?
>> Correct.
[34:37] » Let me ask you another question.
Are are we
[34:42] if this request is the same for every
person, it's a the FOI is to the city or
[34:48] is it to the each individual person?
>> It does appear that it's addressed to
[34:53] each individual airport commissioner.
There are some items on here that are
[34:58] going to be probably not something that
you have. It will be the city that's
[35:01] actually the custodian, but there may be
a couple of item on items on here that
[35:05] may pertain specifically to you in your
role as an airport commissioner.
[35:16] And just a reminder to kind of for you
101,
[35:21] uh, a public records request is for
public records. You're not required to
[35:27] generate a record that you don't already
have. It's not for like, you know, how
[35:32] many times did you have a phone call?
That's not on this piece of paper, but
[35:37] for someone to say, how many times did
you have a phone call with someone? If
[35:40] there's not a record that shows that,
then you don't it's not like, you know,
[35:45] true or false kind of things. That's not
what Foy is for. It's for public
[35:49] records.
I I haven't looked at this in great
[35:53] detail yet, but obviously we'll respond
to according to the law.
[36:01] So, so the question we have three days
to answer this back.
[36:07] » Sorry.
>> We have three days to answer this. Is
[36:10] that correct?
>> It It's not three days. I mean, if you
[36:12] have it in front of you, you technically
have to give it over as soon as you can,
[36:17] but if you can take up to three days
because sometimes it does take time to
[36:22] get the information together. And there
may be instances, I had two this
[36:26] morning, where I made the individual
aware that we're still still gathering
[36:29] documents because sometimes it's
impossible to get those within three
[36:33] three business days, but we at least
respond to let the person know that
[36:37] we're still working on the the request.
[36:44] » So, we're talking about calendar days.
>> I'm sorry.
[36:47] » Calendar days.
>> Business days.
[36:49] » Business days.
>> Yes, sir.
[36:55] Can you open it and look at it? Looks
like the first first item is something
[36:59] that James will have.
>> Second item is something that um would
[37:04] be available in the airport minutes that
are published online.
[37:10] » Third item, uh we all fill out financial
disclosures annually. That would be in
[37:14] that that's already published,
>> right?
[37:18] Fourth item,
it would be answered in that same
[37:21] financial disclosure.
Fifth item, same financial disclosure.
[37:32] There's the financial disclosure.
[37:39] You know, I guess again, James, you
know, the answer to seven is zero. We
[37:43] don't. That's part of the rule.
[37:49] And again, the city's going to have
number eight on file for all of those.
[37:53] So, I guess everything's already
available out there for
[37:57] » public view.
>> Public view. I don't I don't know that
[38:00] there's anything we any of us have to
reply with this. Is that am I misreading
[38:05] it?
>> As we go through to identify documents
[38:08] which may be responsive to the request,
we may be reaching out to you
[38:12] individually. I don't want to do this in
the public forum. Any
[38:21] other comments from commissioners today?
>> All right. Thank you so much. We are
[38:25] adjourned.
>> Greg,
[38:28] » sorry, I didn't know exactly when to
come up. I I wanted clarification on
[38:32] something and I I was as I was sitting
back there, I heard that uh you're
[38:38] you're going to have a Are you setting
up a committee to look at rules and
[38:42] Okay. All right. And what's the what's
the time what what's the expectation of
[38:47] that committee and when will they
>> they they're going to individually meet
[38:51] or they're going to individually review
them and bring them back to the
[38:54] commission next month for us to review
together.
[38:57] » Okay, good. Um
I just I I feel the city should be in
[39:02] tune with that. Not necessarily. I mean
I and I didn't know at what point we
[39:07] would want to be involved in the
process. So,
[39:10] » if whoever wants to come next month when
we review them.
[39:13] » Okay. Y'all will be reviewing them in
your meeting. Yes. And then Okay. All
[39:17] right. We'll do that. That That sounds
good. We just uh you know, with all
[39:21] that's going on at the airport, we we
want to all be on the same page and we
[39:24] want to make sure that that uh that
we're all we're we're look the city will
[39:29] be looking in the future at at acquiring
property. Uh as you know, as we've
[39:33] talked about and I've been open with on
the council. Um, so we're looking at
[39:38] significant investments out of the city
budget for this and we want to be sure
[39:42] that that we're all on the same page as
y'all as y'all make your decisions.
[39:46] Okay.
>> Sure.
[39:47] » All right. That's all I needed. Thank
you.
[39:48] » All right. Thank you. Thank you
everyone.