1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,240 I think we're close enough. Welcome to 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,480 the Springdale Town Council meeting. 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,600 Today is Wednesday, March 11th, 2026. 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,440 We're at the Canyon Community Center in 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,639 Springdale, Utah. The time is 5:00 pm. 6 00:00:12,639 --> 00:00:14,240 Uh with us from the town, we have 7 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,039 Kendall Sagers, Tom Dany, and Robin 8 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:19,680 Romero. On the dis from council, we have 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,240 Pat Campbell, Randy Eton, me, Barbara 10 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,439 Bruno, and Jack Burns. Kyla Topam is 11 00:00:25,439 --> 00:00:27,519 excused tonight, and we will start with 12 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:31,750 the pledge of allegiance. 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,040 I aliance to the flag of the United 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,239 States of America and to the republic 15 00:00:38,239 --> 00:00:42,079 for which it stands. One nation 16 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:44,879 indivisible with liberty and justice for 17 00:00:44,879 --> 00:00:48,470 all. 18 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,000 » Entertain a motion to approve the 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,320 regular meeting agenda. 20 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,079 >> I move we approve the agenda. 21 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:54,879 >> Second 22 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:58,000 >> motion by Randy and second by Pat. 23 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:58,640 Brandy 24 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,120 >> Barbara 25 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,120 >> and um are there any general 26 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,720 announcements? 27 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,320 >> We do have several general 28 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:08,640 announcements. I think first Ryan has 29 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,159 some announcements that he would like to 30 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:17,830 give the council. 31 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,159 » Quite a few things this month. Uh first 32 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:21,680 off, we have a blood drive that'll be 33 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,680 Monday, March 16th. So that's next 34 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,680 Monday here at the community center. 35 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,119 We're switching things up. We're going 36 00:01:27,119 --> 00:01:28,960 to start it at 8:00 a.m. instead of the 37 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:30,320 afternoon. So, we'll go from 8:00 a.m. 38 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:33,439 to midday. I think 12 or 1. Uh, as 39 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:35,119 always, welcome walk-ins are welcome, 40 00:01:35,119 --> 00:01:36,960 but people are encouraged to sign up at 41 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,600 redcrossblood.org. 42 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,920 Um, on Friday, March 20th at 1 p.m., we 43 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,280 have a tumbleeed cleanup down at the 44 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,799 river park. Um, and uh, special thanks 45 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:48,880 to Council Member Burns for helping put 46 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,320 that all together, but it should be a 47 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,759 good good time. Um, on Wednesday, March 48 00:01:53,759 --> 00:01:56,960 25th, uh, we'll be celebrating Rick's 49 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,640 retirement with an open house. That'll 50 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,520 be here in this building, uh, from 3 to 51 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,280 5:00 PM. Once again, that's Wednesday, 52 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,719 March 25th. There will be some 53 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:09,280 refreshments and some, uh, 54 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,440 socializing, I guess. Uh, two days 55 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:12,959 later, we're going to be having an open 56 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:14,879 house for Tom, a welcome and meet the 57 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:17,120 town manager here, same room, same 58 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,599 building at 1:00 p.m. Also, there will 59 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:21,760 be refreshments at that as well. And 60 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,599 then last, um, we have Zion Chalk and 61 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:25,040 Earthfest. This is next month, but we're 62 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,800 just trying to get word out, um, that we 63 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,440 are at a new location. Uh, for the last 64 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,120 three years, it's been down at Zion 65 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,319 Canyon Village. This year, it's going to 66 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:33,920 be here up on the field and here at the 67 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,080 community center. Um, so we hope that 68 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,920 people will turn out for that. Um, 69 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:40,560 that's on April 18th and 19th. 70 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,519 >> Ryan, where would the where try this 71 00:02:43,519 --> 00:02:46,239 again. Where will the chalk art be on 72 00:02:46,239 --> 00:02:47,040 the 73 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,400 >> this back parking lot? 74 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,519 >> Oh, okay. 75 00:02:49,519 --> 00:02:51,120 >> Going off the parking lot. So, we'll 76 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,360 have the chalk art here. We'll still 77 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,040 have festivities up on the field with 78 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,160 music and food and drink and some 79 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,800 vendors. So, be a lot of fun. 80 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,480 >> And you're not going to announce the St. 81 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,159 Patrick's Day event because it's not a 82 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:05,760 town event. Huh. 83 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,440 >> It's not worth No, I'm just kidding. No, 84 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,280 it's not our event. But 85 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,280 >> could you just mention it because we've 86 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,560 got people that might not 87 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,280 >> Sure. Absolutely. Make sure I remember 88 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,599 when it is. 89 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:19,040 >> You want me to announce it? 90 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,159 >> You want to announce it? It's next 91 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:21,440 Saturday, right? Yeah, we have the St. 92 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,920 Patrick's Day parade on Saturday the 93 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:26,000 21st and then there will be festivities 94 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,280 up here on the ball field. 95 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,040 >> Yeah, it's the only St. Patrick's Day 96 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,280 event in It's only St. Patrick's event 97 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,120 in Washington County. So, it's kind of 98 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,840 fun. It's uh the 21st the parades at 2 99 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,120 pm and then they'll have live music and 100 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,360 food trucks and a beer garden and 101 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,599 festivities, green jello sculpting 102 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:45,120 contest and all kinds of things going on 103 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,680 at the ball field. So, 104 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,640 >> okay, any other questions? 105 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,319 Okay, thanks. 106 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:54,000 >> Any other general announcements? 107 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,319 >> Um, two other announcements. Um, they're 108 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:59,040 both regarding community surveys, and we 109 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,799 know how much everyone loves to fill out 110 00:04:00,799 --> 00:04:02,400 community surveys, and so now we've got 111 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,480 two available for you to get your survey 112 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,599 fixed. Um, the first is the Utah State 113 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:10,239 University Well-being Project Survey. 114 00:04:10,239 --> 00:04:12,400 The town participated in this two years 115 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,120 ago and we got some really valuable 116 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,959 input and feedback from the community 117 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,919 about um the community's perceptions of 118 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:23,199 well-being in Springdale. This is a a 119 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:25,040 survey that Utah State University puts 120 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,320 together and they distribute this to 121 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,400 communities across the state. And so we 122 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,960 get to see how we compare to other 123 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,560 communities. And this will be 124 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,919 interesting this year because we took 125 00:04:33,919 --> 00:04:35,520 the same survey two years ago. So, not 126 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,680 only will we be able to compare how we 127 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,080 um how how we comp or see how we compare 128 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,919 to other communities, we will be able to 129 00:04:41,919 --> 00:04:43,759 see how we compare to our results from 130 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:46,080 two years ago. So, please get the word 131 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,880 out. Please um take that survey and it 132 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,479 will be important to uh to get those 133 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:52,960 results. The second survey that is 134 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,160 currently open is the survey on the um 135 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,280 messaging initiative. This is a is an 136 00:04:59,280 --> 00:05:01,040 effort that the town's messaging 137 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,759 committee is putting together to create 138 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:07,280 some unified messaging for visitors that 139 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:11,039 also um kind of um helps to unify 140 00:05:11,039 --> 00:05:16,000 residents around the town's identity and how what we would like to message to 141 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,080 visitors about the town when they visit 142 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,720 the town, how to be respectful visitors. 143 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,880 There was a great presentation on that a 144 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,960 couple weeks ago. If you missed that, 145 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,199 there's a link to the presentation on 146 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:29,120 the town's website that you can review 147 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,759 and then also give us your feedback in a 148 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:34,880 survey about um this initiative. So, if 149 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,720 you have not already, please take those 150 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,280 two surveys. I should note that the Utah 151 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:41,039 State University well-being survey is 152 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:44,880 only open to residents of Springdale. 153 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,320 So, you have to live here to take that 154 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,440 survey. The second survey is um is a 155 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,120 community survey. So any member of the 156 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,039 community is is is able to take the 157 00:05:53,039 --> 00:05:55,840 messaging committee or the messaging 158 00:05:55,840 --> 00:06:04,710 initiative survey. 159 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,960 » The Utah State University well-being 160 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,590 survey closes on March 31st. 161 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,759 » Anything else? 162 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:14,560 >> That's it. 163 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,560 >> Okay. 164 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,120 Um, Superintendent Bradybot, do you want 165 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,639 to give us an update on Zion National 166 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:26,309 Park? 167 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:28,880 » Good afternoon. 168 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,280 Beautiful day here in the canyon for 169 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:35,759 sure. Well, we've had great weather um 170 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,479 all through uh February, which is 171 00:06:38,479 --> 00:06:42,800 reflected in our um monthly visitation s 172 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,720 um uh results. And 173 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,720 um we could certainly use some more 174 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,120 preip. I'm sure our fire professionals 175 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,160 would appreciate that. uh wildfire risk 176 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,800 is pretty high, but uh attendance-wise 177 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,720 um 178 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,440 for this February um just completed uh 179 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,000 we're up 8.3% 180 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,360 above February last year. It's pretty 181 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,749 significant. 177,700 182 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:17,759 plus visitors. 183 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:20,720 Um, and year to date, uh, we're up about 184 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,360 5.35%. 185 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,520 Again, you know, we've had very mild 186 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,039 January and February. And, uh, while 187 00:07:29,039 --> 00:07:31,680 visitation wasn't, you know, at at the 188 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:37,280 summer scale, it was certainly pretty busy for the winter period. 189 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,759 Um, couple of project notes. um our 190 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:44,960 south campground uh restoration project 191 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,960 that's getting nearer and nearer to 192 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,840 completion. Few items left to work on 193 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,440 that. We're probably looking at um a 194 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,759 late May uh opening to the public. 195 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:00,400 That's for South Campground. 196 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Then as you know um we were working on 197 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,680 our first phase of our sewer line 198 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,720 project up the canyon 199 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,039 and uh that was completed um here back 200 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:15,919 in October the second phase or we're 201 00:08:15,919 --> 00:08:20,319 going to go from um from the grotto to 202 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:23,120 the temple of Sinowava 203 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,000 um that's in engineering and design 204 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,639 right now. Um we think we may be able to 205 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:34,320 get started on it uh this coming summer. 206 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,200 Uh so just a few months out. Um we've 207 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,719 got a few funding things to uh to pull 208 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:44,080 together. Um funding is coming from the 209 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,000 state of Utah as well as a Zion Forever 210 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,519 project and uh we're working on a a 211 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:57,200 potential um uh grant as well. um 212 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,279 through Senator Curtis's office. So, 213 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:01,120 we're trying to pull those disperate 214 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,800 pieces of funding together um as we're 215 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,959 working on the engineering and design. 216 00:09:06,959 --> 00:09:10,560 So, um that's an important uh project 217 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:14,800 for public health and um we really do 218 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,760 want to get that one done. So, yeah, be 219 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,160 happy to answer any questions. 220 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,240 >> What will the reservation system be for 221 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,160 the South Campground? Will that be a 222 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,600 reserve only or will that 223 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,360 >> same as it's been? Yep. It's on 224 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,720 recreation.gov. It's It's a reservation. 225 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:31,120 Yep. 226 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,880 >> Is it open a year in advance? 227 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,519 >> Yeah, I'm not sure. Well, it'll open as 228 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:39,440 soon as we know for sure what the 229 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,279 opening date um is going to be. So, 230 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:45,519 we've kind of had that shut down during 231 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:48,320 the construction period. So, as soon as 232 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,480 we can nail down um you know, when we're 233 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,320 pretty darn sure it's going to be open, 234 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,640 then we'll open the reservation system. 235 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,480 But yes, you can apply up to a year 236 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:04,550 ahead. Yep. 237 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:24,470 » Yeah. Go. 238 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,240 Yeah. You're talking about the chain 239 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,880 link fence for the construction. Yeah. 240 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,880 When everything's done, then we'll pull 241 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:44,790 that. That's going to be the last thing. 242 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,800 It's going to actually be in the road 243 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,040 most of the way because there isn't much 244 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,959 shoulder to work with. So, 245 00:10:50,959 --> 00:10:57,350 >> y' 246 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,247 be pressurized uh systems 247 00:11:00,247 --> 00:11:04,880 [clears throat] pumps along the way. Y 248 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,480 >> will they be doing the same thing with 249 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,160 the traffic lights? 250 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,720 >> Yeah, traffic control all the way along. 251 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,389 Yep. 252 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:17,910 » Thank you. 253 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,880 » Are there any questions or comments 254 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,959 about the council reports? 255 00:11:22,959 --> 00:11:24,880 >> I do have a couple of additions. 256 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,160 >> Okay. 257 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,360 >> So, uh first off, I report on fireboard 258 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,470 the 259 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,600 didn't know if we were going to have a 260 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,519 meeting in March or not. And we are now. 261 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:38,320 It's going to be March 18th. The county 262 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,000 commissioners have finally named the uh 263 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,800 the other fireboard members. So, that 264 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,839 will be March 18th. And then on the 265 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:50,560 community renewable energy, I reported 266 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,040 that uh the public service commission 267 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,079 had not approved ours and Rocky 268 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:58,160 Mountains application for our program 269 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,279 and now they have. They approved it 270 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:03,200 March 4th 271 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,079 and that starts the time clock and I' 272 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:09,360 I've sent you all a copy of the 273 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,200 ordinance, but that starts the time 274 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,519 clock for each municipality in the fire 275 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:19,680 in the renewable energy program to pass 276 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:22,639 a final ordinance uh adopting the 277 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:24,160 program and becoming part of the 278 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,399 program. [clears throat] the U Tom 279 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:31,120 forwarded uh the ordinance, the draft 280 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,040 ordinance that we have uh to Greg and I 281 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,160 think uh tomorrow there will be a uh 282 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,079 attorneys meeting, a Zoom meeting for 283 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:44,880 the attorneys of the municipalities 284 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,720 to talk about this ordinance because 285 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,639 there was some um 286 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:53,279 some things that we proposed in the 287 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:57,440 ordinance. Um, and and I think John 288 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,040 Goodwin 289 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,519 from uh Greg's office is going to be in 290 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:04,079 on that Zoom meeting just to kind of 291 00:13:04,079 --> 00:13:07,279 give Springdale a voice. But we will we 292 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:12,079 have to uh that 90-day window closes on 293 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:16,160 June 2nd. So, we will have to pass that 294 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,160 ordinance by June 2nd. And uh once we go 295 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,200 through this attorney's meeting uh and 296 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,560 we get kind of the ordinance to where we 297 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,800 feel comfortable and our attorney feels 298 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,279 comfortable for it, uh I want to try to 299 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:34,240 put it on the April agenda to get this 300 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:40,000 ordinance passed so that we we have it done 301 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,920 and and you all have seen a copy of the 302 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,320 ordinance. It's it's one that's been 303 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,269 drawn up and 304 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:50,639 That is it. 305 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:52,720 >> Mayor, I have two things. 306 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,639 >> First up, and I'm sure that what wasn't 307 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:56,079 just the chief, but I'm sure Rob was 308 00:13:56,079 --> 00:13:58,959 also involved. If you haven't uh seen or 309 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:00,720 heard about the generator that the chief 310 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,079 has put in um actually supplies power 311 00:14:04,079 --> 00:14:07,920 for this building and town hall, not the 312 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,440 library. 313 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,240 So, bring a reading light. Uh but it's 314 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,480 up and running. Um and it's really 315 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,720 compact, really well hidden. uh noise 316 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,079 level is way down. Um and secondly, in 317 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:21,680 conjunction with that, working with uh 318 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,279 Tom and Rick on the emergency management 319 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:28,160 preparation, which I we're shooting for 320 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,320 August, perhaps 321 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,839 uh some tabletop exercises um and some 322 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:37,440 ICS briefings for town staff. Still 323 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,959 hasn't been firmed up on the calendar, 324 00:14:38,959 --> 00:14:43,189 but it's in the works. 325 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:44,880 We have some representatives from 326 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Hurricane Valley Fire here. They don't 327 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,560 have a presentation, but if any of you 328 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,600 have any questions, we could let you ask 329 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,920 those now. 330 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,560 Okay. So, the next item on the agenda is 331 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,880 a presentation by Lori Wright. Lori is 332 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,040 the CEO of Family Healthcare. And Lori, 333 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,760 you're welcome to come up and 334 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,959 talk to us. 335 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:10,720 Presentation. Yeah. No. [laughter] Um I 336 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,639 talked to um Rick this week and so I'm 337 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:15,680 just going to do a pretty casual 338 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,680 presentation but open to any questions 339 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,760 that you might have. Um I first want to 340 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,600 just introduce Family Healthcare. Um 341 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,399 we're a 501c3. We've been around since 342 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,240 2002 343 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,760 and um we serve a lot of Washington 344 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,480 County as well as Iron County. And last 345 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,440 year we served over 18,000 patients. We 346 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,760 did about 67,000 visits. and we do a lot 347 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,680 of different kinds of care and some of 348 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,920 those we do out here in Springdale and 349 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,399 some we don't but you're welcome if 350 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:48,480 you're a patient to come and get those 351 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,440 services anytime. Um out in Springdale 352 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,839 we provide medical and we do some 353 00:15:53,839 --> 00:15:55,759 behavioral health work for Zion National 354 00:15:55,759 --> 00:15:58,240 Park. And then in our other clinics we 355 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,399 also do dental we have some psychiatry 356 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:02,240 services 357 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,920 optometry 358 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,560 and um trying to think what I'm missing 359 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,079 and dental. So, um, we're thrilled to be 360 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:13,360 in, um, out here working in Springdale. 361 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,920 And I think just to answer a few 362 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,519 questions that I've heard and then 363 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:20,560 absolutely happy to answer more. Um, as 364 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,279 we do our work out here in Springdale, I 365 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:26,079 think it's been 366 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:28,480 was kind of an answer to a question of 367 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,079 who was going to run the clinic after 368 00:16:30,079 --> 00:16:33,120 the McManons left and wanting to do that 369 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,120 because we feel so strongly about 370 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,639 community service and community 371 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:39,040 partnership and wanting to make sure 372 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,199 that this community continued to have 373 00:16:41,199 --> 00:16:43,839 access to health care as well as serving 374 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:45,759 the tourists that come and go from Zion 375 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:47,680 National Park. So, it's it's both for 376 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,560 sure for us. And and over the last two 377 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,720 years, we've seen a steady growth in the 378 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,160 number of people we're serving, 379 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,720 including residents of we look at it 380 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,680 from um Springdale, Rockville, and 381 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,600 Virgin is how we kind of count residents 382 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,880 for the area. And we started in 2023, we 383 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,559 were open like four weeks and we saw 384 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:08,640 eight people, which was amazing. And 385 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,039 then in 2024 people, these are 386 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:15,439 residents. Um we saw 175 and in 2025 we 387 00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:20,000 saw 180. And already in 2026 388 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,760 we've seen um 80. So that's quite a few. 389 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,439 And then of those we saw quite a few 390 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:28,240 encounters. So those 180 that saw us in 391 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,520 2025 they completed almost 500 visits. 392 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,280 So each of them are coming just like we 393 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,200 would expect them to come multiple times 394 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,000 is that's generally how we do healthcare 395 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,200 is see people um for a basic visit and 396 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,039 then we see them for subsequent visits. 397 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:46,080 And so, and then I don't know if if 398 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,160 you're interested, but the majority of 399 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,559 the patients that we serve that aren't 400 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:54,240 from um this community are really from 401 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,760 people that are all over the United 402 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,640 States that don't live in Utah. So, of 403 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,320 those in 2025, we saw over 304. 404 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,360 And um that is kind of what you would 405 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:07,200 expect from a national park being part 406 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,120 of this community. And then I think also 407 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:14,640 regardless of um different different 408 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,559 things I think I know we have limited 409 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:18,480 hours here in Springdale but we are open 410 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,480 Monday through Saturday in our St. 411 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,440 George office and we're open Monday 412 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Tuesday um Thursday Friday in in um 413 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,760 hurricane and we see a good many of tour 414 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,760 not tourists sorry residents in both 415 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,840 those clinics. So we saw 79 in um of the 416 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,600 residents in our hurricane visit in 417 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,760 visit hurricane clinic and 64 in our St. 418 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,120 George and many of those are 419 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:46,799 establishing care there and coming 420 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:50,320 continuously. And so we know that 421 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,960 um that there's a variety of different 422 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,480 reasons why people might travel to 423 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,039 Hurricane or to St. George, but we're 424 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:58,799 excited mostly to be able to do that 425 00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:03,360 here in um out here in Springdale town. 426 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,360 I think the other thing to think about 427 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:10,559 is we are in a very limited building 428 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:12,640 right now. It's very small for what 429 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,080 we're doing. It is. 430 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,360 I have providers sitting in weird spots 431 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:23,840 doing notes and it's very hard 432 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,720 to keep that continuity that if there 433 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,039 were to be well there are days when it's 434 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:30,720 just busy and it's hard to see the 435 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,280 patients fluidly and efficiently and it 436 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,080 slows down the whole process. And then I 437 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,000 think one other question I've been asked 438 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,559 is why we're not here on weekends and 439 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:43,360 why we're not here late. 440 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,440 And some of that has to do with who I 441 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,039 have to hire to put here. So providers 442 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:51,360 um whether they be a nurse practitioner, 443 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,520 a physician assistant or phys or a 444 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,080 physician, they really require an 445 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,799 enducement to work those extra hours. 446 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:02,400 And I'm already paying them to travel 447 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,400 their time to travel into Springdale 448 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,960 without them seeing patients. And if I 449 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,240 kept them here late or on Saturdays, I 450 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,919 would have to pay them more. In fact, my 451 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,679 Saturday clinic in St. George, I have to 452 00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:16,000 pay them double to do that clinic. And 453 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 the reason why it works for us is I have 454 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,400 a grant that helps us offset some of 455 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,200 that cost. But we also see 36 patients 456 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,960 in six hours. So, it's a very busy 457 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,679 urgent care visit, visit, urgent care 458 00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:32,640 clinic. So, um, and then the other 459 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,080 questions I'm hearing a lot about are 460 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,600 pharmacy. 461 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,240 So pharmacy is many different things to 462 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,039 family health care and one of them is 463 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:42,880 the best way we know how to help 464 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,240 patients get access to medication and we 465 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,080 have a program that helps anyone who's 466 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,919 our patient get access to really 467 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:53,039 discounted medications but it also just 468 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:54,799 helps with continuity of care regardless 469 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:57,679 right so if I see someone and they're a 470 00:20:57,679 --> 00:20:58,720 provider sees someone and they're 471 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,720 diabetic and they don't have access to 472 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,919 insulin or it's hard to get to their 473 00:21:03,919 --> 00:21:05,600 strips or their pump supplies supplies, 474 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,000 it's hard to continue to take care of 475 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,039 them. So, having a pharmacy on site um 476 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:12,640 really helps with that continuity of 477 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,400 care. We've seen at our St. George site 478 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,360 as well as in Hurrican as we've openies. 479 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:22,240 We've seen um people do better on 480 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,799 outcomes, but also they're just happier 481 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:26,159 because they don't have to go to another 482 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:28,159 spot after to get their um 483 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,159 prescriptions. And we work really hard 484 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:32,880 to make sure that if we're seeing you in 485 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,120 clinic that day, you're not waiting very 486 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:37,440 long to get that prescription. It's we 487 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,960 work really hard to make sure it's 488 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,039 within 20 minutes of you coming. And 489 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,760 usually that's pretty fast turnaround 490 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,520 because that's electronically coming to 491 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,039 us and it takes a minute sometimes to 492 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:50,640 get to us. But our pharmacy 493 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,720 um in Hurricane does about a hundred 494 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,039 prescriptions a day when they're open. 495 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,400 And that's enough to help us not only 496 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,760 take care of all those patients, but 497 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,120 there's some revenue that we make there 498 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,280 that helps us take care of our patients 499 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,120 and hurricane even better. So, it's a 500 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,080 win for both. Um, out here in 501 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,679 Springdale, 502 00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:14,240 I know initially, as long as I've been 503 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,480 talking to people in Springdale town, 504 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,880 the pharmacy has been something that's I 505 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,200 have heard is of interest to the 506 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,760 community. And so, having enough space 507 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,760 to do a pharmacy is, I think, a critical 508 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,240 piece. And one other thing that I think 509 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,000 I'm hearing a lot about is behavioral 510 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,919 health need. And while I don't always 511 00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:36,400 have someone here there, the idea of 512 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,159 having space so that we could bring 513 00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:39,440 someone here, I think it's really 514 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,440 important as we think about the overall 515 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,360 needs of the community. And we see all 516 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:47,039 kinds of behavioral health needs from 517 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,039 depression to anxiety to substance use 518 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:51,280 disorder and all kinds of things. And 519 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,679 we're we're normal humans, so we all 520 00:22:53,679 --> 00:22:55,360 kind of have ups and downs and needs for 521 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:58,000 those things. Do you have any other 522 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:03,510 questions for me? 523 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:04,799 » So, right now we're open Monday and 524 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:08,720 Friday and then during the um starting 525 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,880 in April, we'll go Monday, Tuesday, 526 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,870 Thursday, Friday. 527 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,240 Lauri, you mentioned that you have 528 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,000 behavioral health available for 529 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,880 employees of Z National Park in a bigger 530 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,559 building. Would you have that available 531 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,360 to members of the community as well? 532 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,440 >> So, it's a unique situation with Z 533 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,880 National Park because they're paying for 534 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,039 those visits whether we see patients or 535 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:35,600 not. So it's um and that is through 536 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,520 contract and it's worked really well and 537 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,640 most of the time I think I think David's 538 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,559 the superintendent is still here so he 539 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:45,840 knows between 85 and 90% full and he's 540 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,559 seen a lot of their um employees and I 541 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:50,320 would be happy to do something like that 542 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,960 if I knew what kind of utilization we 543 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,440 were going to have and um I am almost 544 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,760 always open to talking about well I am 545 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,360 always open to talking about It's an 546 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,000 opportunity for the town to win as well 547 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,600 as us to win and making sure it's 548 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,200 mutually a win. Um, if there was some 549 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,000 way of knowing like if I could put 550 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,200 another half day of behavioral health 551 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,279 out here and it would be full, then we 552 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,760 would be out here. For me, it's a lot 553 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,600 about utilization and the cost of that 554 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,950 utilization or lack thereof. 555 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,360 in if you were in a different building, 556 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:29,679 would we expect to still see the same 557 00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:32,880 days of operation including no service 558 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,799 on weekends? 559 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,360 >> Yeah, I think so. 560 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:38,640 There's a couple of things in play 561 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,240 there. And yes, you probably would 562 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,520 unless I or the town and I could come to 563 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,120 some kind of agreement where there was 564 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,039 some help with inducement because 565 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,279 bringing someone out here on Saturdays 566 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,000 where I'm paying, you know, this isund 567 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,679 if it's a nurse practitioner, it's 568 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:55,279 $130,000 569 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:58,159 employee and then I'm doubling that um 570 00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:00,159 to have them be here. And if they're not 571 00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:02,000 seeing a lot of patients and I'm not 572 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,600 making any revenue. So I am completely 573 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,559 open to discussions with the town. if 574 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,640 you feel like that's vital, you know, 575 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,400 what can we do to make that be something 576 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,200 that's a win for everybody? Um, paying 577 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,440 someone to be here that that that cost 578 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:23,350 is is not possible for me. 579 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,559 » If they lived here, um, and they could 580 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,919 afford to live here, 581 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,520 I don't know if they would they would 582 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,919 still want an end for working weekends. 583 00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:35,840 I haven't I have yet to meet a provider 584 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,679 that will just work weekends without 585 00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:41,190 pay. 586 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,600 » The olden days that was true, but not 587 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,679 current people. 588 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:47,200 >> I think you know like when I get 589 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,200 cornered at the post office 590 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,919 >> Yeah. 591 00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:53,919 >> You know what I hear the most on 592 00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:56,799 concerns from people right now realizing 593 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,600 where we were in the past is just these 594 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,480 limited hours of operation. 595 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,720 um no weekend coverage as well as um not 596 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,720 being able to actually speak to somebody 597 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,720 on the phone. Now, I'm assuming when 598 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,039 somebody's working, someone's answering 599 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:16,480 the phone and you can actually talk to a 600 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,080 person, but that seems to come up. Um, 601 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,880 you know, that if if, uh, they need to 602 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,960 set up an appointment when you are 603 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,559 closed, 604 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,393 um, 605 00:26:28,393 --> 00:26:29,279 [clears throat] they would like, you 606 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,000 know, a person to speak to. 607 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,960 So after hours, I always have a nurse 608 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,640 that answers every phone call after 609 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,320 hours 24/7, 365. If we're not open, 610 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,600 they're answering calls. If I'm closed 611 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,159 for a meeting, they're answering calls. So, um, as far as 612 00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:47,840 making an appointment, if they answer a 613 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,120 call and someone says, "I want an 614 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,640 appointment," I have a team that will 615 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,919 call them the next day and make the 616 00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:53,520 appointment. 617 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,080 Always. Um, we also have online 618 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,760 scheduling. And I am I will be honest, I 619 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,279 don't know that I've opened that to 620 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,440 Springdale town, but I definitely could 621 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,200 open that to Springdale town. So people 622 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,039 could get on at 2 in the morning and 623 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:08,480 make an appointment. And that's 624 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,559 something I can go back and check on 625 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,880 because I haven't checked on that. But 626 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,840 absolutely, right now you could for all 627 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,919 most of our providers make appointments 628 00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:19,679 anytime. 629 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:21,840 But having someone to talk to, I mean, 630 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,120 we don't use any kind of 631 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,600 AI tool or we don't send the calls to 632 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,279 India. They all come to family 633 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:30,559 healthcare and we're answering every 634 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,039 call live. And like I said, I have a 635 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:34,799 really strong team that answers those 636 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,240 calls and I have a federal requirement 637 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,000 to do that follow-up. So I know what 638 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,880 happens. If they've if they've called, 639 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,279 we've called them back. 640 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:44,960 >> That online scheduling, that sounds 641 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,840 pretty convenient. 642 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,120 >> Yeah. and I can get that turned on and 643 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,640 can go back to my office tomorrow and 644 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,440 start working on it for sure. Yep. 645 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,919 And that online scheduling also. So, one 646 00:27:57,919 --> 00:27:59,440 of the things that people don't 647 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,799 necessarily know is we have what's 648 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,240 called a portal. So, if you're a patient 649 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,320 and you go into that patient portal, you 650 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,399 can email our providers at any time of 651 00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:10,480 day and they're all um they are watching 652 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,679 their email and if they're not watching 653 00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:13,039 their email, we're watching it for them 654 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,440 to help them answer those timely. So, 655 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,240 you can email your provider. Um, my 656 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,159 particular provider, okay, so honestly, 657 00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:23,679 I text him, but if he I know my husband 658 00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:25,440 likes to act like a real patient, and 659 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,120 that's to help me be a better CEO, and 660 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,520 so my husband will message him. My 661 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,000 daughter who lives in PAC is our patient 662 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,200 because she loves him so much. But, um, 663 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,080 he answers very timely. So you can send 664 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,320 him a email and he'll answer within 665 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,200 if it's I would say for him I can say 666 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,600 two to three hours but we say 24 hours 667 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,679 you get an answer back and if it's 668 00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:51,919 urgent um again if you call our nurse 669 00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:53,120 line and it's urgent you're going to get 670 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840 an on call doc so we have on call docs 671 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,360 247 365 as well 672 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,350 that's just a system thing 673 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,159 and our agenda item tonight is about 674 00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:09,279 adding medical clinics and pharmacies to 675 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,679 the zone. It's not about this clinic, 676 00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:14,720 but um so I just want to mention that 677 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,039 when when we recruited family healthc 678 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,559 care to come up here and work out of 679 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,320 this building while we tried to get a a 680 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,200 better medical clinic, 681 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,360 we're sort of the narrative has turned 682 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,880 around and I'd like to get back to the 683 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,960 original narrative which is that we were 684 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,600 about to lose our medical clinic. The providers were retiring. we were 685 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,120 about to lose one of the few things we 686 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,720 have in Springdale and don't have to go 687 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,080 downhill for. So to be open two days a 688 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,799 week when it's just my primary care and 689 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,320 I can make an appointment. It's not 690 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,919 urgent. 691 00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:49,840 It's I can make that appointment and so 692 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,600 it's really valuable to me and to be 693 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,159 able to get prescriptions here would be the icing on the cake because 694 00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:57,679 it's one of the few things I don't have 695 00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,760 to go down the hill for. I don't expect 696 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,600 ever to see a specialist up here. 697 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,360 Although you have a mobile clinic, you 698 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,360 could do some specialty clinics and that 699 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,919 kind of thing, but the narrative I want 700 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,240 to be talking about isn't that they're 701 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,240 not open enough. They're not they're 702 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,720 um there aren't enough locals. What 703 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440 we've got is a clinic that our visitors 704 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,679 can help us pay for that benefits 705 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:24,000 locals. And seeing the numbers that you 706 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,600 submitted to us about how many locals 707 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,039 are using the clinic was really 708 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:28,799 heartening for me because I did not 709 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:33,200 expect that. So um so any questions for 710 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,880 family health care this is the time to 711 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,200 answer those. They do take all insurance 712 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,480 um policy all insurance 713 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,799 >> including select health which Helen did 714 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:41,440 not 715 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,399 >> right but I also with pharmacy I think 716 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:45,760 one of the things that I've been asked 717 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,000 is um what's the difference between a 718 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,440 pharmacy that just takes care of our 719 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,120 patients versus a pharmacy that takes 720 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,480 care of everyone. So I mean I would love 721 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,640 for it to be well I have mixed feelings. 722 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,880 So but if we can do everyone if you can 723 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,279 imagine that means all your specialty 724 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,080 drugs everything any prescription you're 725 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,880 traveling to get could be done here. Um 726 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,080 and we're not going to be any price 727 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,279 point different than what you're 728 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,440 experiencing at your current pharmacy. 729 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,000 Now, if you're our patient and you 730 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,760 decide to be our patient, you can still 731 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,240 have all your specialty drugs, if we're 732 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,080 sending you, if we know you're going to 733 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,440 that referral and it's in your medical 734 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,799 record and we're talking to you about 735 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,600 that specialty, um, and it's cardiology 736 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,039 and they're taking care of that part of 737 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:30,880 your work and we're taking care of the 738 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,120 rest of you, that cardiology drug can 739 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,320 come to our pharmacy and you can get 740 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,000 that at very discounted rate if you're 741 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,399 our patient. And that's something that 742 00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:40,559 no other pharmacy except for another 743 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,080 community health center could do for 744 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,279 you. And that's an amazing service. The 745 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:46,960 reason I think it's important to be open 746 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,120 to everyone is when I think about um 747 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,720 first of all, all you all that maybe 748 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,799 choose not to come to us, you should 749 00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:56,399 still be able to get your prescriptions 750 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:58,159 and not have to drive to get them. And I 751 00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:01,039 think that's an amazing thing. And I'm 752 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:03,600 willing to open hours of pharmacy to 753 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,519 match need and to work together with, 754 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,360 you know, I know I have to be careful 755 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,440 because I like you might want us 40 756 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,120 hours a week here, but I can't do that. 757 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,640 But we can talk about it and make it 758 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,159 work for the town as well as us. And 759 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,000 maybe that's, you know, what hours of 760 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,600 the day are best for the community for 761 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,399 us to be here. But the other thing is if 762 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:25,039 I'm on vacation and I'm from the United 763 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,960 States and I have a prescription that I 764 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,279 need and something happened to it, then 765 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,679 my provider can just call it here and I 766 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:34,080 can pick it up. Or if I'm really I mean 767 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,240 this is the best part that I love is and 768 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,760 having a pharmacy would be so great is 769 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,279 if I'm really really sick and I need 770 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:41,519 that prescription today. 771 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,360 I mean I can I can drive out your 772 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,960 prescriptions right now to you once a 773 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,440 week if you really need that. But if 774 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,880 you're really sick, that's hard. And so 775 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,880 having a pharmacy will really help with 776 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,950 those two things as well. 777 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,200 » Anything else for Lori? Uh Gail, you had 778 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,399 a question? 779 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:01,679 >> Yeah. 780 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,760 >> Can you for for the minutes, can you go 781 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,919 to the microphone and stays? Sorry. 782 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:12,480 Y Kefir is family health working with 783 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840 Zion National Park to become their first 784 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,760 choice of bringing uh injuries to 785 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,519 >> That's a great question. 786 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,600 >> I have asked National Park about that. 787 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,840 They have a medical director that's at 788 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,919 St. George Regional which they've had 789 00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:31,760 for a very very long time and they're 790 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,600 not I think it makes they're not willing 791 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,360 to change that relationship and it makes 792 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,399 sense. A lot of things that happen in 793 00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,480 the park that are injuries, we're not 794 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,559 going to be able to take care of, right? 795 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:44,399 I mean, we're we're still ambulatory. 796 00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:46,480 We're still I don't have a neurologist 797 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,840 on site. I can't do surgery, right? If 798 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,600 you can ambulate yourself, so we call 799 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,279 ourselves ambulatory. So, if you break 800 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:54,559 your leg and you can get into our 801 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,640 clinic, we'll take care of your leg. 802 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,559 There's very few things that you can 803 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,399 walk in that we can't take care of in 804 00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:02,240 that clinic. So, if you have if you're 805 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,480 having heat stroke and you can actually 806 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,840 get yourself in there, we'll treat your 807 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,879 heat stroke. But if you have to be 808 00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:10,879 transported, the park and I think to 809 00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:12,399 protect their liability, you're going to 810 00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:15,440 head out to St. George Regional. 811 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,760 So, if if you're getting in that EMS, if 812 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,440 you're getting in that ambulance, you're 813 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,839 off to St. George Regional. But if you 814 00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:25,119 can walk to us and having help, I mean, 815 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:26,399 that doesn't have to just be you 816 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,639 walking, but you get help to come to us. 817 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,639 I broke my ankle. I did one of those 818 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,960 great breaks where you have I have a 819 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,280 plate and pins and screws on my ankle 820 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,599 and I walked myself into emergency room 821 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,399 and probably shouldn't have but I did 822 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:42,879 and and I could have walked in here and 823 00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:46,720 Katie could have taken care of me. 824 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:48,240 She wouldn't been able to do the surgery 825 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:49,520 but she would have taken care of me and 826 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,879 then set up the surgery because I had to 827 00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:53,760 have surgery. So yeah. Does that answer 828 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,720 your question? 829 00:34:54,720 --> 00:35:01,829 >> Yes. I'm just trying to figure out how 830 00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:04,880 um trying to figure out and it's not my 831 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,160 job to figure it out, but I'm just 832 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,720 trying to understand how we grow the 833 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,359 clinic big enough to take care of those 834 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:15,599 types of things or if we will never be 835 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:19,829 there. 836 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:22,000 » I don't think we're ever going to be a 837 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,960 trauma center like St. George Regional 838 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,240 ever. they bypass hurricane emergency 839 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,760 and go out to St. regional I think 840 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,520 because of the level of I don't know 841 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,760 >> so sometimes you go to hurricane 842 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,440 >> so I mean I would love it if they 843 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,520 brought their simple fractures to us but 844 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,079 that's a conversation that 845 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,880 um hasn't been had yet and I think they 846 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,240 have liability and there's reasons why 847 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,000 they would not do that but like I said I 848 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,599 think 849 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,680 this particular clinic if we were going 850 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,440 to start taking every accident that came 851 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,079 out of the park um we would need a lot 852 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,760 we'd need a different kind of surgical 853 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,400 space to be built so that we could take 854 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,920 care of it and we'd have to hire 855 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,240 appropriate staff which would be very 856 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,000 expensive because a lot of that is 857 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,760 physician only and you can have a um a 858 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,160 nurse practitioner a PA assessed but 859 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,440 they're not going to be doing a lot of 860 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,960 that work that an ER doc does. 861 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,119 So I don't anticipate that's where we're 862 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,440 growing. What I think would be the way 863 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,480 to help this is to help people who are 864 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,359 going to the park to understand that if 865 00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:35,990 you have a sprain or [laughter] 866 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,550 heat 867 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,560 us and we can take care of that during 868 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,320 our hours 869 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,760 so which we see a lot of by the way we 870 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,839 take care of a lot of heat we do IV 871 00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:52,000 therapy we we take care of a lot of 872 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,119 abrasions we've set femur fractures um 873 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:57,280 lower leg fractures we've had arm 874 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,480 fractures lower arm and upper arm 875 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,200 fractures. We've had sprained ankles and 876 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,040 >> squirrel bites. 877 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,400 >> It is electric bikes. 878 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,119 >> Squirrel bites. 879 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,520 >> Yeah, we love them. I'm just kidding. 880 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,280 But um but we we see a lot of a lot of 881 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,520 injury, particularly in the summer. Now, 882 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,760 the local residents, we're seeing normal 883 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,359 stuff like basic family practice stuff, 884 00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:23,359 but um because in our clinic in St. 885 00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:26,079 George, we don't do a lot of breaks. Um, 886 00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:28,480 I have Katie who does who's dual 887 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,160 certified in emergency medicine. That's 888 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,240 why she's here. And I'm in the process 889 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,320 of hiring someone to help cover 890 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,000 Springdale the two other days who also 891 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,680 I'm looking for emergency medicine 892 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,470 experience for that reason. 893 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,800 » So, you are a community clinic. 894 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,960 >> We're a community clinic and we want to 895 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,640 take care of the community and and I 896 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,880 like matching specialty with my 897 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,640 providers to what's needed. So, um, 898 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,400 yeah. And then I think the behavioral 899 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,760 health question, I think such a great 900 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000 question. And some of the cool things 901 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,880 about having behavioral health here is 902 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,400 even if I have a behavioral health 903 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,480 provider here, they have access to some 904 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,240 really cool things with our St. George 905 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,800 office. I have um I have a psych 906 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,560 psychiatric nurse practitioner and a 907 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,800 physician who are both um dual certified 908 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,200 in addiction medicine. So if you have 909 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,160 someone come in and they have 910 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,240 alcoholism, they really know how to take 911 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,200 care of that and how to help people not 912 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,040 just get a medication and move on, but 913 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,079 take really get to care. That's true for 914 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,720 a lot of those kinds of things. And if 915 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:34,640 um if you have dental pain right now, 916 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,640 we've had some upheaval in our dental 917 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,640 team, but I just stabilized it by hiring 918 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,079 a provider that's been with us for three 919 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:41,599 years, and he'll be with us for another, 920 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,560 I hope, 10, 15 years. But if you have 921 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,720 pain, dental pain is a big emergency 922 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,720 thing, but we're working really hard to 923 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:49,920 then say to someone, "Yeah, you're in 924 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,200 Springdale and you have dental pain, but 925 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,880 you can go to our clinic in St. George 926 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,040 tomorrow and be seen rather than go to 927 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,480 the ER because so much of that goes to 928 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,040 the ER." And it's so much less expensive 929 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,720 to come to a dent a dentist rather than 930 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,880 going to the ER. 931 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,160 So, we're trying hard to do the right 932 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,040 thing all the time. And for me, for this 933 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,960 whole thing with the town, and I'm just 934 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,200 to be totally frank, it's not a we're 935 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,480 not making money out here. Um, we're 936 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,880 making we're making money, but I'm I'm 937 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,720 definitely still right on the verge of 938 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,480 being in the red and being out here. And 939 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,280 I'm okay with that because we feel so 940 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,640 strongly about taking care of the 941 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,640 community. And we think that opening the 942 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,160 pharmacy is going to help us move that 943 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,800 into the being making money. That makes 944 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,720 sense. But that's one of the reasons 945 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,359 that ours are limited is to help us 946 00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:41,359 safeguard 947 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:45,680 my obligation to keep our agency running 948 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,400 um fiscally strong and not putting any 949 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,640 of our company in jeopardy, but also 950 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,880 continuing to provide services here. So, 951 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,200 it's a balance and I I think we've 952 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,560 struck a pretty good balance. The first 953 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,640 year we were definitely lost money. We 954 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,079 changed some staffing and we're 955 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,880 definitely we're much closer to being um 956 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,760 breaking even and we're we'll be we will 957 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,390 be right there with pharmacy. 958 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,200 » Thank you, Lori. 959 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,150 >> Hey, appreciate it. 960 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,119 » Okay. Um are there any community 961 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,000 comments? 962 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,920 If so, state your name and make your 963 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,000 comments and please limit those to three 964 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,480 minutes. 965 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,359 Evening everyone. Lisa Zump Springdale. 966 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:35,359 I have two comments. The first one is 967 00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:38,400 thank you so much for the Springdale 968 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,400 reptax. We had Zarts had the talent show 969 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,240 that we said was going to be happening 970 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,640 from the raptax and it was last Friday. 971 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,760 We it it 972 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,079 >> Thursday, excuse me. Thank you, mayor. 973 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,400 It was held in Rockville. We had over 70 974 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,920 attendees 975 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,000 um from all parts of the canyon, Virgin, 976 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,520 Rockville, Springdale, and the National 977 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,920 Park. The show included five children's 978 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,040 acts with six children. So, we had one 979 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,480 duo from Virgin, Rockville, and 980 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,880 Springdale. And we had eight adult acts 981 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,560 with 10 adults from Springdale, 982 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,440 Rockville, Virgin, and Z National Park. 983 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,760 The ma the judges were Mayor B Mayor's 984 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,880 Berno and Krauss. Um, Mayor Leech was 985 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,960 out of the country, so Michael Evansson 986 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,960 sat in for her and they all they did a 987 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,200 great job for us. So, I just want you to 988 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,040 know that I think it was a really 989 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,680 successful event. And one of my goals 990 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000 for this was to see how well we could 991 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,920 really bring the community together and 992 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,960 we had a great representation from both 993 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,160 the LDS church and members and from the 994 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,960 nonLDDS community. So, I I think it was 995 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,800 just a a great all-around community. 996 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,119 Thank you so much for that money. So, 997 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:48,640 um, because there's no comment, uh, 998 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,440 period for, uh, opportunity for section 999 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560 or item D1, the HR agreement for the new 1000 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200 town manager, um, I want to just be on 1001 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,640 record. I support the decision of the 1002 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,000 town council and the contract 1003 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,240 compensation amount. Tom is going to do 1004 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,160 a great job and eventually I think that 1005 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,400 the town will still need to hire another 1006 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,800 person to cover the expansive number of 1007 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,720 responsibilities that Rick has taken 1008 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,200 over the past 20 years. If you hadn't 1009 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,200 offered the to the job to Tom, you'd 1010 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,440 probably have to hire three people to do 1011 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,760 this job. So, I'm just supporting the your vote on the contract tonight. 1012 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,200 So, thank you so much. 1013 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,920 >> You 1014 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,400 any other comments? 1015 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,280 Okay. And I would entertain a motion to 1016 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,119 approve the consent agenda, which is a 1017 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,839 review of the monthly purchasing report, 1018 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,160 reappoint of Heidi Lee to the Springdale 1019 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,640 Historic Preservation Commission, and 1020 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,920 resolution 2026-04, 1021 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,319 a resolution designating surplus town 1022 00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:48,240 property and providing for sale or 1023 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:49,760 disposal. 1024 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,480 >> Move to approve the consent agenda. 1025 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,200 >> I'll second. 1026 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,040 >> Motion by Jack and second by Randy. 1027 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:55,680 >> Pat I. 1028 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,240 >> Randy, 1029 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,920 >> Barbry. 1030 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,560 Okay. The next item on the agenda is a 1031 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,359 public hearing uh for ordinance 2026-06, 1032 00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,839 which was formerly 2025-20, 1033 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:11,280 amending chapter 10-7A of the town code 1034 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,599 by adding medical and dental clinics as 1035 00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,680 permitted uses in the central 1036 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,599 commercial, 1037 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,359 village commercial, and public use 1038 00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:21,760 zones. adding definitions of two types 1039 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,960 ofarmacies in section 1022 and 1040 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,040 potentially allowing pharmacies operated 1041 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,800 in conjunction with the medical clinic 1042 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,720 as permitted uses in the public use 1043 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,240 zone. The staff contact is Tom Danzy and 1044 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,319 we will be following the public hearing 1045 00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:38,800 format on the back of the agenda. So 1046 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,280 we'll start with an introduction from 1047 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,040 Tom. 1048 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,960 >> Thank you mayor. Um this is a 1049 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,720 continuation of an item that you heard 1050 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,599 in January. Um, and as as you mentioned, 1051 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:51,520 mayor, the critical policy decisions 1052 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,760 that you'll be making tonight are to 1053 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,160 clarify where medical clinics in which 1054 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,560 zones medical clinics are um should be 1055 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,640 located in the town. Currently, we have 1056 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,560 a definition of what a medical clinic 1057 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,040 is, but the code does not specifically 1058 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:11,119 allow them in any zone. And so, your one policy decision tonight is to 1059 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,119 determine in which zones they should be 1060 00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:16,000 allowed. as proposed in the ordinance. 1061 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,240 Um these would be allowed in the village 1062 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,480 commercial, central commercial, and 1063 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,119 public use zone. 1064 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,280 Um the second policy question that 1065 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,760 you'll need to consider tonight is um 1066 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,720 whether or not to allowies 1067 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,760 in the public use zone. Um pharmacies 1068 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,440 are currently drugstores andarmacies are 1069 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,960 currently allowed in the village in the 1070 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,319 village commercial and central 1071 00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:41,920 commercial zones, but not in the public 1072 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,880 use zone. Um, this point was a a point 1073 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,319 of considerable discussion in your 1074 00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:49,680 previous meeting whether or not to allow 1075 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,400 pharmacies in the public use zone and if 1076 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,000 so, what should the nature of 1077 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,800 thosearmacies be? Um, the uh general 1078 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,960 consensus was that if a pharmacy is 1079 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,960 allowed in the public use zone, it needs 1080 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,520 to be operated in conjunction with a 1081 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,960 clinic. Um but still what the nature of 1082 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,280 that relationship to the clinic should 1083 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,920 be was undetermined. Um particularly 1084 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,720 about who should the clientele of the 1085 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,000 pharmacy be. Should it be open to the 1086 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,760 general public or should it be only 1087 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,920 serve patients of the clinic and what 1088 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,839 types of services should the pharmacy 1089 00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:27,599 offer? Should it only be prescription 1090 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,720 medicine or should it be um any kind of 1091 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,640 health related product like prescription 1092 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,240 or over-the-counter medicine or other 1093 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,560 health related supplies? 1094 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,800 Um, in response to your discussion in 1095 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,520 the in the last meeting, um, we've 1096 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,520 revised the proposed ordinance in a 1097 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,079 couple of ways. One is we've removed all 1098 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:49,359 references to drugstores from the 1099 00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:52,960 ordinance. Um, drugstores, although not 1100 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,079 defined in our code, generally have a a 1101 00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:59,119 um connotation that they're they're not 1102 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:00,480 only selling medicines, but other 1103 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,960 general retail items. And based on your 1104 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,560 dis discussion last night, it was clear 1105 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,240 that that was not your intent for 1106 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,800 pharmacies. So we removed drugstores 1107 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,440 from all mentioned in the code and 1108 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,680 included definitions of pharmacies, two 1109 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,880 types. One is a standalone pharmacy. 1110 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,200 These would be allowed in the village 1111 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,200 commercial and central commercial zones. 1112 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,640 These would be um um businesses or or 1113 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,920 establishments that provide any type of health related product. So 1114 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,200 prescription medication, 1115 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,839 over-the-counter medication, um, and 1116 00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:35,280 other health related services like 1117 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,200 vaccinations or health screenings. So 1118 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,640 that's the proposed definition of a 1119 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,319 standalone pharmacy. And again, those 1120 00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:42,240 are proposed to be located in the 1121 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:43,440 central commercial and village 1122 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,560 commercial zone as they already are. 1123 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,280 The um second part of of the definitions 1124 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,280 is a definition of what's called a 1125 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,440 pharmacy in conjunction and associated 1126 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,440 with a dental or medical clinic. And 1127 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,359 again, there's there's two options here 1128 00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:59,920 for you to to choose from if you choose 1129 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,480 to allowies in the public use zone. 1130 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,480 Again, one is is much more um 1131 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,319 constrained in the services and 1132 00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:08,560 clientele that can come to the pharmacy, 1133 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,960 only prescription medication and only 1134 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,079 serving patients of the clinic. The 1135 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,520 other is um more expansive. that would 1136 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,200 allow essentially the same types of 1137 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,000 services that a um standalone pharmacy 1138 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,880 would allow with the uh requirement that 1139 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,960 the pharmacy be operated in conjunction 1140 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:32,880 and housed in the same building as a medical clinic. So that if if you 1141 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,720 choose to go with that definition, the 1142 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,160 pharmacy in addition to prescription 1143 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,520 medication could also provide 1144 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,920 over-the-counter medication um 1145 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,839 vaccinations and those types of things 1146 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:43,760 and could serve both patients and 1147 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,400 non-patients of the clinic. So, those 1148 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:53,359 are the policy considerations for you to consider tonight. Um, just a a note 1149 00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:56,160 that the current definition of clinic in 1150 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,680 the town code um contains a reference to 1151 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,960 an included pharmacy. So, if you decided 1152 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,680 to allow clinics in the public use zone 1153 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,480 but noties, we would need to amend that 1154 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,040 definition as well to avoid any kind of 1155 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,359 um conflict about whether or noties are 1156 00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:16,480 allowed in the public use zone. Any 1157 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,470 questions? 1158 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,800 » Questions from council? 1159 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,549 Any question? Sorry. 1160 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,280 » In the deliberation. Okay. Um any 1161 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,880 >> question? 1162 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,319 >> Okay. Any any uh questions for 1163 00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:39,200 clarification from the audience? 1164 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,319 Okay. Then I would I would entertain a 1165 00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:44,960 motion to open public hearing. 1166 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,920 Make a motion to 1167 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,880 second 1168 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,359 >> motion by Pat. Motion by let's say or a 1169 00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:57,270 second by Jack 1170 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,359 » Pat 1171 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,359 or Bri. 1172 00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:08,710 >> Okay, we're in public hearing. 1173 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,520 » This is Springdale. Um the general plan 1174 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,400 contains several references supporting 1175 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,440 and encouraging enhanced medical service 1176 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,839 in the town which were noted in the 1177 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,400 January staff report. Um I ask that you 1178 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,400 allow the dental and medical clinics in 1179 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,800 the CC, VC and PU zones and allow 1180 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,280 pharmacies as an appropriate use in the 1181 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,520 PU zone which I believe is under option 1182 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,640 one. I believe that's the the correct 1183 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,040 option. any concerns regarding business 1184 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,040 clinical decisions such as will this 1185 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,960 pencil out. I think that should be left 1186 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,720 to the nonprofit to let them decide if 1187 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,040 they can make it or not. It's really not 1188 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,400 the town's business to decide who's 1189 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,000 going to make money or not. I think 1190 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,599 that's I don't think businesses are 1191 00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:56,800 going to come in here and do whether 1192 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,319 it's a nonprofit or not are going to do 1193 00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:00,160 it if they don't think they can make it. 1194 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,040 Um and so this also commits to a 1195 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,359 pharmacy to decide it's financially 1196 00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:08,160 practical too. So, I think you want to 1197 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,599 give a little trust to these people who 1198 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:10,800 I think kind of know what they're 1199 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,480 talking about. These changes are going 1200 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,640 to support our community for the future 1201 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,480 and ensure that the town is compliant 1202 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,190 with its own ordinances. Thank you. 1203 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,480 » Any other comments? 1204 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,400 Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion to 1205 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,160 close the public hearing. 1206 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,359 >> Make a motion to close the public 1207 00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:30,319 hearing. 1208 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:30,960 >> Second. 1209 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,839 >> Motion by Pat and second by Randy. 1210 00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:34,480 >> Randy. 1211 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,640 >> Barbara. 1212 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:43,349 Okay. So, we're in deliberation. 1213 00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:44,800 » Pat, I think you said you had some 1214 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,880 questions. 1215 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,480 >> Tom, I want to engage you in this 1216 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,160 conversation and maybe Lori can help out 1217 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,520 here. The the code we have 1218 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,280 that 1219 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,200 first of all doesn't doesn't have a a 1220 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,720 really good definition, I don't think, 1221 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,760 of what a pharmacy is, but the state 1222 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,480 code is fairly clear. what that is. Is 1223 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,920 there a reason why we don't use the 1224 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,160 state code definition for pharmacy? 1225 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,440 That's my first question 1226 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,200 and I can I can read it to you what it 1227 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,960 is and see what you think. 1228 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,480 Yeah. So, so there are many definitions 1229 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,920 of pharmacy. There's the state code 1230 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,800 definition of what a licensed pharmacy 1231 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,599 is. Other municipalities have different 1232 00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:29,920 definitions. So, in crafting these 1233 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,359 definition and and you're right, Pat, 1234 00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:32,480 the town code doesn't have any 1235 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,640 definition of pharmacy right now. Um so 1236 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,559 in crafting these different definitions 1237 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,440 I referenced all of those the state code 1238 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,359 um St. George city code other 1239 00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:44,079 municipalities codes and tried to also 1240 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,559 respond to the feedback from the council 1241 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,319 in the last meeting. But if there's a 1242 00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:50,079 better option certainly then then yeah 1243 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:51,599 there's there's we we should go with 1244 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,400 what option the council feels best for 1245 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,400 what a pharmacy is. 1246 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,079 >> I'll read it just for the rest of the 1247 00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,800 council's edification. The state code is 1248 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,960 laid out in 5817B102. 1249 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,680 A pharmacy means any place and this 1250 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,079 doesn't conflict with what you're 1251 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:09,839 proposing. I just I'm suggesting this as 1252 00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:12,079 maybe a clarification. 1253 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:13,359 >> Uh where drugs are dispenseed, 1254 00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:15,359 pharmaceutical care is provided, drugs 1255 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:17,119 are processed, handled or for eventual 1256 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,599 use by a patient or drugs are used for 1257 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,040 the purpose of research, teaching, 1258 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,800 chemical analysis but not offered for 1259 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,880 sale or dispensing. 1260 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,960 That's the state code. The state also 1261 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,400 categorizes two different types of 1262 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,040 pharmacy and again the code you've 1263 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,640 crafted 1264 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,119 points to both of those 1265 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,440 where we say it's a standalone pharmacy 1266 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,160 state code calls it a class A pharmacy 1267 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,000 and that's a pharmacy that's located in 1268 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,240 Utah is authorized as a retail pharmacy 1269 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,160 to compound or dispense a drug or 1270 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,480 dispense a device to the public under 1271 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,319 prescription order and that would be I 1272 00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,559 think you're called a standalone or your 1273 00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,119 face front pharmacy. The state code also 1274 00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,599 calls for a class B pharmacy, which 1275 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,079 means a pharmacy located in Utah 1276 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:03,599 authorized to provide pharmaceutical 1277 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,520 care for patients in an institutional 1278 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,000 setting and whose primary purpose is to 1279 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,440 provide a physical environment for 1280 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,280 patients to obtain health care services 1281 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,800 and includes closed door hospital clinic 1282 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,280 and pharmaceutical drugs. And the closed 1283 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,960 door 1284 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,839 is designed for an exclusive group of 1285 00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:25,680 clinic patients. So what I'm suggesting 1286 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,880 obviously our decision is that we change 1287 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,079 the terms 1288 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:33,920 um 1289 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,000 pharmacy in conjunction with associated 1290 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,800 medical clinic and call that a class B 1291 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,200 and reference the state code and a 1292 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,040 pharmacy standalone would be a pharmacy 1293 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,079 A and reference the state code. 1294 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:47,599 I don't think it changes what you intend 1295 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,559 to do. It just puts us more in line with 1296 00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,960 how the state code reads. 1297 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,920 So, how does that relate to 1298 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,280 uh pharmacies for patients only versus 1299 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,280 the general public? Which which would 1300 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:01,920 that be? 1301 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,119 >> Class Class A is your standalone open to 1302 00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,359 the general public. A class B is for 1303 00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:09,359 institutional patients, patients that 1304 00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:15,990 are that are people that are patients of the medical clinic. 1305 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,960 I don't think it changes 1306 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,040 the definition all that much, but I 1307 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,680 think it I think it is more on point. 1308 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,720 Again, just my opinion. 1309 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,040 >> I think maybe it's broader than we want 1310 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,680 because I think after our conversation 1311 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,760 last meeting that we wanted to narrow it 1312 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,920 down more. I think the state the state 1313 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,440 definition might be a little broader 1314 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,240 than what we talked about. And I'm I'm 1315 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,160 open to broadening up, but I know that 1316 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,440 we talked about more what what we have 1317 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,200 here. 1318 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,839 >> And I think one of the big things that 1319 00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:53,440 we talked about with this is that that 1320 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,599 pharmacy would be both 1321 00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:01,040 uh business-wise and physically 1322 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,400 connected to the clinic. We wanted it in 1323 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,640 the clinic building. When I think of a 1324 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,440 standalone, I think of a separate 1325 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,240 building that that's open different 1326 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,839 hours etc. And and I what I like about 1327 00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:18,880 the way we've kind of defined it here is 1328 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,760 that it is a pharmacy that is in 1329 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,920 conjunction and associated with the 1330 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,800 medical clinic meaning that the medical 1331 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,240 clinic is actually the one that has the 1332 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,480 control over pharmacys 1333 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,920 etc. When when I think about a 1334 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,520 standalone and and it's just my thought, 1335 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,599 it would be a whole different entity. It would be like if Walgreens came up 1336 00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,200 here and put a pharmacy there 1337 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,640 >> and didn't have anything to do with the 1338 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:44,960 clinic. 1339 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:45,760 >> That's what the state 1340 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,079 >> and that's a class A, right? 1341 00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,559 >> Class B provides pharmaceutical care for 1342 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,319 patients in an institutional setting, 1343 00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:56,160 which means part of the clinic. in the 1344 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,760 only dispute I have is where you say it 1345 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,799 has to be using connection or associated 1346 00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:02,319 with 1347 00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:04,400 um housed in the same building I I get 1348 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,400 that I mean it I guess it gets to the 1349 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,040 same point but I think aligning it more 1350 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,720 with how the state code reads I don't 1351 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,319 think I don't think it changes it much 1352 00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,240 maybe it does but I don't think it does 1353 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,680 and again just a suggestion 1354 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,079 >> so Pat which the the class B and the 1355 00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,079 state code which of these definitions do 1356 00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:23,680 you think it's closest to 1357 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,520 you you read it to us. But 1358 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,599 >> the standalone would be your class A. I 1359 00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,559 think the only thing the class A adds 1360 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,799 um it says it's authorized as a retail 1361 00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,640 pharmacy, which I what I think the 1362 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,480 standalone is. It doesn't say that 1363 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,319 there, but that's what standalone means, 1364 00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:41,040 right? Well, [snorts and clears throat] 1365 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,680 retail pharmacy. 1366 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,079 >> No. 1367 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:48,400 >> Yeah. Yeah. and and um 1368 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,559 and so um 1369 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,599 you know if if we were to allow 1370 00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,960 standaloneies in village commercial and 1371 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,119 center commercial 1372 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:04,079 I I have no problem with that 1373 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,200 >> to have a standalone not in conjunction 1374 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,040 with the uh with the medical clinic in a 1375 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,000 public use zone 1376 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,720 I Yes, I would have a problem with that. 1377 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,559 And and I think the feedback that we 1378 00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,599 have been getting from our residents are 1379 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:24,000 that 1380 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,240 they I think they would consider that a 1381 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,599 commercial establishment, 1382 00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:31,040 >> right? and and and I think what our 1383 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,960 intent is with this pharmacy 1384 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,960 and [clears throat] with with citing 1385 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,319 anything in the public use zone is that 1386 00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:45,760 it doesn't in any way come into that re 1387 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,640 what most people would consider a retail 1388 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,599 pharmacy 1389 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,040 you know that's just the way I'm 1390 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,839 thinking about it and that's the way I 1391 00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:58,160 have been thinking about it in terms of 1392 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,480 a pharmacy on on public use property 1393 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,640 >> place though like 1394 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,680 >> as it relates to public use zone I think 1395 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,880 it should be a pharmacy in conjunction 1396 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,079 with a medical clinic 1397 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,520 >> exactly that's what I'm saying 1398 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,960 >> however I think that if there is a 1399 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,240 pharmacy need for the general public 1400 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,079 they should be able to access that 1401 00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,079 pharmacy 1402 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,319 >> and and I totally agree with that and 1403 00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:31,280 that was that is the one concern I have 1404 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,280 with the way we've kind of uh worded 1405 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:39,280 this right now is I'm 1406 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,599 uh 1407 00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:43,760 I would like 1408 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,599 the general public to be able So when I 1409 00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:50,880 think about that I think about tourists 1410 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,280 that are coming as Lori was talking 1411 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,119 about to 1412 00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:56,640 um 1413 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:01,680 to design Z National Park and they need 1414 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,240 a prescription refilled. That's what I 1415 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,440 think about is general public and 1416 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,640 um 1417 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,119 >> and then Lor's kind of 1418 00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,040 >> answer 1419 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,190 will you go to the 1420 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,480 » our clinic in St. George is a which you 1421 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,200 have put up there as a standalone but is 1422 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,520 inside our clinic. 1423 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,000 So it allows us to serve our patients as 1424 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,160 well as the general population. 1425 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,559 >> What zone? What zone is it in? 1426 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,319 >> What zone? 1427 00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:34,799 It's 1428 00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:36,799 >> Is it a public use zone? 1429 00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:38,480 >> So you would that's not I'm not I'm just 1430 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,720 saying it's a pharmacy. So in the 1431 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,520 pharmacy sense of 1432 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,119 um can it be a class A or a class B? a 1433 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,319 class A or class B can be in my clinic. 1434 00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:52,720 That's what I'm trying to say. So, are 1435 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,319 you trying to say what you want in the 1436 00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:56,160 zone or 1437 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,000 >> you're saying that that our our case is 1438 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,440 different than your clinic in? 1439 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,400 >> Sure. 1440 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,079 >> In the case that it's in a public use 1441 01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:05,520 zone, but the use of the definition. 1442 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,839 So what you have there would mean that 1443 01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:09,920 no one in your community who's not our 1444 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,319 patient could use the pharmacy 1445 01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:16,240 or a Zion National Park couldn't you 1446 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,680 know someone who's a visitor couldn't 1447 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,839 >> I think 1448 01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:21,119 >> that's one of them 1449 01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,680 >> can I just clarify can I just clarify 1450 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:24,880 how I've structured this ordinance 1451 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,079 because I I think it's a little bit 1452 01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:29,119 confusing I apologize so there's there's 1453 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:30,799 three different displayed on the screen 1454 01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:32,480 right now there are three different 1455 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,839 definitions but there's actually only 1456 01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:36,640 two so these refers to pharmacy in 1457 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,240 conjunction and associated with a met 1458 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,880 with a dental or medical clinic and then 1459 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,480 pharmacy in conjunction and associated 1460 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,839 with a dental or medical. These are two different options for the 1461 01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:47,760 same definition. 1462 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,920 One of them would allow the general 1463 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,640 public to visit, 1464 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,799 one of them would not. Um, so this first 1465 01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:00,240 one here says, hey, a pharmacy in 1466 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,599 conjunction and associated with a dental 1467 01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,040 or medical clinic is essentially 1468 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,440 offering the same thing that you're 1469 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,240 going to get in a standalone pharmacy 1470 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,319 that is offering services to the general 1471 01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:12,319 public. It just needs to be in the same 1472 01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:14,480 building as a medical or dental clinic 1473 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,880 and and operated in conjunction. So if you want the general public to be 1474 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,680 able to visit the pharmacy, this is the 1475 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,960 definition that you would want to 1476 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,880 choose. If you don't want the 1477 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,040 definition, the general public to visit 1478 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,839 a pharmacy in the public use zone, you 1479 01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:32,400 would choose this second definition 1480 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,200 because this one says that you only 1481 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,079 providing um pharmaceutical 1482 01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:39,680 drugs. So, you have to have a you have 1483 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,839 to have a prescription um and only to 1484 01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:43,680 the patients of the dental or medical 1485 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,160 clinic and it's limited to dispensing of 1486 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,480 prescription medication. So, if you only 1487 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,000 want prescription medication and you 1488 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,760 only want patients of the clinic, you 1489 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,760 would choose the second definition. 1490 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,520 Right. Does that make sense? 1491 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,400 >> Yeah. Um and and that was kind of the 1492 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,720 crux of it last time. And I think Lisa 1493 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,920 had said she supports number one. I 1494 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,680 especially after hearing Lor's 1495 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,480 presentation feel like 1496 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,400 it's it's better for them and for us and 1497 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,640 our visitors to have that first 1498 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,400 definition that gives a little leeway. 1499 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,680 So So you don't have to be a patient. 1500 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,160 So, I like definition number one in the 1501 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,920 public use zone. 1502 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,920 >> And Tom, I um you know, I know that one 1503 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,400 of the stumbling blocks 1504 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,760 with all of this for some council 1505 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,760 members and for the public is just this 1506 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,200 public use zone and and it's like the 1507 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,040 question went to Lori, what's public use 1508 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,680 in or what's the use zone in what's it 1509 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,000 owned in St. George? So, and I talked to 1510 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,000 Tom about this earlier today and I know 1511 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,960 this uh this is an issue and I don't 1512 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,839 know what uh were you able to find 1513 01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:58,720 anything in the state just in general 1514 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,520 how other municipalities and and 1515 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,319 counties have kind of covered this uh 1516 01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:06,319 with their zoning. 1517 01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,559 >> Yeah. So, so Randy called this morning 1518 01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,240 and and asked me to do this research. 1519 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,319 And just in general, I'll I'll preface 1520 01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:14,720 this by saying that the state 1521 01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,559 legislature has delegated to individual 1522 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,119 municipalities legislative control over 1523 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,720 zoning. So, you are not bound by 1524 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,680 anything in the state code or anything 1525 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,480 that another municipality does with how 1526 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,359 you set up your own zoning in your 1527 01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:36,640 community. You get to choose what goes 1528 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,480 into each zone specific to the needs and 1529 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,119 circumstances of your community. 1530 01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:45,359 Having said that, Randy said, "Well, 1531 01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:47,599 what do other communities do?" So, so I 1532 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,760 looked um and um St. uh the public use 1533 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,599 zone actually is is kind of unique to 1534 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:56,079 Springdale. Um St. George does not have 1535 01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,319 a public use zone. They have something 1536 01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:00,319 called an administrative professional 1537 01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:03,280 zone which allows public uses. That's 1538 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,119 where all the government um facilities 1539 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:06,799 in St. George are located, but it also 1540 01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:08,720 allows hospitals, medical labs, medical 1541 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,119 offices, andarmacies. 1542 01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:12,880 Um Washington is similar. They don't 1543 01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,319 have a public use zone. They have the 1544 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:15,839 same administrative and professional 1545 01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:17,520 zone, which again allows medical 1546 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,119 offices. Um they don't have they don't 1547 01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,000 mention pharmacy a traditional pharmacy 1548 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,400 at all but strangely enough they do 1549 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,720 allow a medical cannabis pharmacy in 1550 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,319 their administrative and professional 1551 01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:31,599 zone which is kind of their equivalent 1552 01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:35,039 of the public use zone. 1553 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,280 Um in that same zone however they also 1554 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,760 offer offer um allow banks and food 1555 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,920 trucks in that what their version of the 1556 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,119 public use zone. Um Cedar City does not 1557 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,119 have a public use zone. They allow 1558 01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:48,799 medical clinics as a conditional use in 1559 01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:51,839 their residential zones. Um, Hurricane 1560 01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:52,960 has something called the public 1561 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,920 facilities zone which allows hospitals, 1562 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,720 medical or dental laboratories. It also 1563 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,039 in their public facility uh zone allows 1564 01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:04,960 funeral homes and reception centers. Um 1565 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,039 the uh Park City has something called a 1566 01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,680 public use transition zone that allows 1567 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,920 again their government services, but it 1568 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,920 also allows things like food trucks, 1569 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,520 liquor stores, commercial retail, 1570 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,400 restaurant, and quasi public uses. So 1571 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,720 the the takeaway is I I hope you're 1572 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,200 getting is that there there is no 1573 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,920 uniformity in in the state in other 1574 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,400 municipalities about 1575 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,720 are clinics an appropriate use in quote 1576 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,480 unquote or pharmacies an appropriate use 1577 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,160 quote unquote in the public use zone. 1578 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,680 That's because the state has delegated 1579 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,520 that decision to you. You get to make 1580 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:38,640 that decision whether or not that's 1581 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,280 appropriate spring or not. But but it 1582 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,280 sounds like 1583 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,599 um generally 1584 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:47,680 even though a public use zone is maybe 1585 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,760 unique to us, it sounds like similar 1586 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,920 zones in other cities allow this. 1587 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,799 >> Correct. 1588 01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:55,280 >> Yeah. And that that was the point of I 1589 01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:00,240 wanted to to make with this question and Tom's 1590 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,119 uh it we're not we're not breaking the 1591 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,760 mold here. We're not allowing something 1592 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,240 that's really out of the ordinary with 1593 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,400 anybody else. We we kind of have a 1594 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,440 unique zone in the way we have defined 1595 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:18,720 it. Uh but the other municipalities 1596 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,240 in 1597 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,640 zones that they 1598 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,039 have sort of made public use, they allow 1599 01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,440 things like hospitals and in medical 1600 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,559 clinic andarmacies. So, we're not we're 1601 01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,200 not really going way out of bounds on 1602 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,559 this and we're not doing something 1603 01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:40,000 that's uh really I think inconsistent 1604 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:48,319 with the intent and with uh what the town councils who 1605 01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:51,280 established this public zone uh public 1606 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,799 use zone 1607 01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:53,920 >> might have had in mind. 1608 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,680 >> I've got the definition of the public 1609 01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,079 use zone in front of me. May I read it 1610 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,480 before you go ahead? The public use zone 1611 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,319 is established to provide for the 1612 01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:04,720 location and establishment of public and 1613 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,920 quasi public facilities. 1614 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,720 >> That simple. 1615 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,839 >> And to Lor's credit, the fact that this 1616 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:16,799 is a nonprofit 1617 01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:20,559 uh quasi public perhaps medical clinic. 1618 01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:23,119 We I think we and I agreed that we 1619 01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:26,400 established that that would be okay on 1620 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,240 public use land because it is this kind 1621 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,400 of nonprofit organization. Uh 1622 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,599 hypothetically, what if an independent 1623 01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:36,319 organization came in uh so Utah 1624 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:38,480 emergency physicians came in and said, 1625 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,720 "We'd like to put a clinic right next to 1626 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,760 Lor's clinic, uh but we are a for-profit 1627 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,920 organization." Would that would that rub 1628 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,160 us the wrong way? That would still be 1629 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,720 okay. Well, let's let me kind of 1630 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,039 >> go back again. Yeah. And I I know what 1631 01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:55,839 you're saying 1632 01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:58,240 >> and I I'm going to try to answer your 1633 01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,440 question. Um 1634 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,839 >> there's a way out of this. Go ahead. 1635 01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:10,880 >> Yeah. I I think that, you know, when I think about a medical clinic and right now, you know, Family 1636 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,960 Healthcare obviously is nonprofit and 1637 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,000 it's it really 1638 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,560 I think makes a case for a medical 1639 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,000 clinic here, but uh I also I'm I'm just 1640 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,120 thinking in general uh a medical clinic 1641 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,679 in in our town, especially with the Zion 1642 01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:32,480 National Park being so 1643 01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:36,799 I think is a good public use 1644 01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:41,440 uh for us whether it was a a retail or 1645 01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:43,759 not. And you know in the research that 1646 01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:45,759 Tom has done. 1647 01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:48,799 I mean in in their administrative zones 1648 01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:51,920 which sort of corresponds in a lot of 1649 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,520 ways to our public use zone. They allow 1650 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,640 a lot more than and they would allow a 1651 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,239 for-profit medical clinic to come in. So 1652 01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:04,799 that's what I'm going to your answer. 1653 01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:07,040 I'm not to answer your specific 1654 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,520 question. I think it's a good idea to 1655 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,040 have No, I don't think it would be a 1656 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,600 good idea to have two a nonprofit and a 1657 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,159 medical clinic right next to each other. 1658 01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:18,400 I think that would be horrible. I think 1659 01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,719 uh since it's a legislative decision, I 1660 01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:22,960 think the town 1661 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,199 would not be obligated to let them do 1662 01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:27,679 that to come in and do that. But for 1663 01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:29,839 instance, if Family Healthcare in 10 1664 01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:33,279 years decided uh that they wanted to 1665 01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,199 they couldn't do it up here anymore and 1666 01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:38,239 a for profits came in and said we'll run 1667 01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:40,799 your medical clinic. I think we should 1668 01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:44,880 let them do that. So that that that's 1669 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,120 I I think a medical clinic is a uh is a 1670 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,120 good public service to this community. 1671 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,320 >> Vision on this. What I was going to 1672 01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,159 suggest is in the permitted use table 1673 01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:00,640 talks about clinic parenthetically 1674 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,360 dental and medical uh permitted use in 1675 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,320 the public use zone. Is there any 1676 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,040 appetite to put a separate line for 1677 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,679 clinics dental and medical that are not 1678 01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:14,000 that are for-profit organizations or is 1679 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:14,560 we okay? 1680 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,159 >> I don't think this thing really says 1681 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,480 anything about forprofit or nonprofit 1682 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,520 and and I didn't want to make that 1683 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,640 >> that distinction. I wanted to make it a 1684 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,199 medical clinic and right now we're we're 1685 01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:29,679 fortunate to have a nonprofit 1686 01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:31,679 who wants to run this medical clinic. 1687 01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:32,719 But I think 1688 01:10:32,719 --> 01:10:34,719 >> I don't think that we should make 1689 01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:36,640 personally I don't think we should make 1690 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:37,760 that distinction. 1691 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,239 >> We don't want an empty building. We we 1692 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,800 want a medical clinic whether it's and 1693 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,800 we hope to get a long-term lease with 1694 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,360 Family Healthcare, but I think we want a 1695 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,120 medical clinic in Springdale. We want it 1696 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,000 to take care of our our residents 1697 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,719 and we need to allow a pharmacy for them 1698 01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,719 to even make a go of it and otherwise 1699 01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:00,239 we're driving downhill even though we go 1700 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,679 to the doctor here. So, I think the 1701 01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:05,760 issue is do we want to allow medical 1702 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,840 clinics in the public use zone? we seem 1703 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,800 to be headed that way. And then also I 1704 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,199 think I think the first definition of 1705 01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:16,880 pharmacy which is not allowing for a 1706 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,960 Walgreens or a retail pharmacy that's 1707 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,280 selling stuffed animals and stuff. But I 1708 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,600 think that's what we talked about at the 1709 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,040 last meeting and I'm I would be 1710 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,880 comfortable with the the very first 1711 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:27,840 definition if 1712 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:28,640 >> and I definitely 1713 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,320 >> others would I think that uh 1714 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,360 that because we are next to a national 1715 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,159 park if it if we were a small community 1716 01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,719 a community that was isolated we didn't 1717 01:11:40,719 --> 01:11:43,600 have national park there then maybe I 1718 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,040 think the second would be more 1719 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,159 appropriate but the fact that we're next 1720 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,480 to this national park had that any 1721 01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:53,679 visitors coming in. Uh I I think it 1722 01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:56,560 would be 1723 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,520 I don't think it would be a a good 1724 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,719 decision executive decision to limit it 1725 01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:05,199 to the second definition. I think the 1726 01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:08,000 first definition my opinion would be the 1727 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,800 appropriate one for for the pharmacy. 1728 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,280 And I think because we're unique, we're 1729 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,760 an extra national park with 5 millionish 1730 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,280 visitors, 1731 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,840 we're not likely to get a medical clinic 1732 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,640 anywhere except a public use zone. You 1733 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,239 know, for someone to be able to come in 1734 01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:27,040 and afford to buy commercial property 1735 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,199 and build a building and and make a go 1736 01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,679 of it here, I think is unlikely. So, it 1737 01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:33,600 is a public service. It is benefiting 1738 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,360 our residents. And if it benefits 1739 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,760 visitors, too, that's fine. They're helping us to support a medical 1740 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,600 clinic and I I think we're I think we're 1741 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,120 in a good place with the pharmacy 1742 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,000 definition. 1743 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,679 >> I think and and Randy, I'm glad you 1744 01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:50,080 asked the question this morning. Tom, 1745 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,679 your 1746 01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:54,400 um information for me was very helpful 1747 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:55,679 because I got to tell you and I'm sure 1748 01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:57,120 you all know I was very on the fence 1749 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,800 about this. Um, but the fact that there 1750 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,360 are other towns and we're not going to 1751 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,400 be a an outlier by doing something like 1752 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,000 this. It's not like we're going to be 1753 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,280 the black sheep of Utah by doing this. 1754 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:12,719 It sounds like other places do it. They 1755 01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:14,400 don't call it a public use zone, but for 1756 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:15,920 all intents and purposes, that's what it 1757 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,199 is. 1758 01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:19,600 >> So, thanks for asking that question. So, 1759 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,440 I guess the question I have on the first 1760 01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:24,880 definition, since it doesn't state who 1761 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,440 it serves, is it implied it's for the 1762 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:29,920 general public? 1763 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,440 >> Yes. 1764 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,520 >> But it, you know, specifically operated 1765 01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,120 in conjunction with the medical clinic. 1766 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,040 So, they couldn't they couldn't lease 1767 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,040 that space out to someone else. It' be 1768 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,159 it's got to be part of the clinic. So, the only other thing I I I would ask 1769 01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:45,920 and I'm not trying to be a pain here, 1770 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,000 but do we need to define pharmacy? 1771 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,640 I mean, it's defined in the in the 1772 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,800 bottom one there a little bit, but we 1773 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,120 say a pharmacy in conjunction with, but 1774 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,040 what's a pharmacy? So, is it worth just 1775 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,719 putting something in that says this is 1776 01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:02,480 what a pharmacy is? 1777 01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,239 >> Yeah. And that that's a good point. 1778 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:05,679 That's what I tried to do, but if it if 1779 01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:08,480 it can be clarified, that's we we we can 1780 01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:10,800 make it more clear. So this bottom 1781 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,640 definition here is is pharmacy 1782 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,600 standalone. 1783 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,520 >> So would that be tied to the first 1784 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:16,080 paragraph? 1785 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,239 >> Uhuh. So So this says this is a business 1786 01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:19,760 that provides these pharmaceutical ser 1787 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,480 services yada yada yada. And then this 1788 01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:24,960 top one that the council is leaning 1789 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,000 towards for the public use zone says an 1790 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,600 establishment providing the same 1791 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,480 services as a standalone pharmacy. So 1792 01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,239 you're tying the standalone pharmacy 1793 01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:36,080 third paragraph with the first paragraph 1794 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,000 >> with the condition that it's operated in 1795 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,520 conjunction with and is under the 1796 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,360 administration of and housed in the same 1797 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,480 building as a dental or medical 1798 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:42,719 building. 1799 01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:44,239 >> Um you think of everything. 1800 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:46,400 >> Yeah. So it is incorporated into that 1801 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,280 first one by saying 1802 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,960 >> middle part's gone. Everything crunches 1803 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,400 together. It's all good. 1804 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:51,840 >> Correct. 1805 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,000 >> So the the first definition will be 1806 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,320 public use and the and the last 1807 01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,560 definition will be central and village 1808 01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,840 commercial. Right. 1809 01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,800 >> Correct. the first definition of what a 1810 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:03,920 pharmacy. 1811 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:17,350 >> Are we prepared to make a motion? 1812 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,280 » Do these definitions need to be part of 1813 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,800 the motion? 1814 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,320 >> Yes. Thank you. You you should clarify 1815 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,960 that you're using the first definition 1816 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,679 of uh pharmacy in conjunction and 1817 01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:29,920 associated with a medical clinic, not 1818 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,350 the second proposed definition. 1819 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,880 » I can take a shot if 1820 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,800 >> that'd be great, Randy. We can add to it 1821 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,840 if we Yeah. Like we need to 1822 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,520 >> edit. 1823 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,239 Uh, I move we approve ordinance 2026 1824 01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,440 amending chapter 10-7A 1825 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:56,400 of the town code by adding medical 1826 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,120 clinic and dentical clinic has permitted 1827 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,159 uses in the central commercial, village 1828 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,880 commercial and public use zones. 1829 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,000 adding definitions 1830 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,840 of the pharmacy. 1831 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,560 um 1832 01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,760 to be a pharmacy operating in 1833 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,070 conjunction 1834 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,800 and associated with a dental dental or 1835 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,719 medical clinic and establishing 1836 01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:31,679 an establishment that provides the same 1837 01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:34,400 services at a st as a standalone 1838 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,800 pharmacy and which is operated in 1839 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,040 conjunction with and is under the 1840 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,159 administration of and is housed in the 1841 01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:44,800 same building in the same building as 1842 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,239 the dental and medical clinic. 1843 01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,800 >> So, Randy, did you reference amending 1844 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,760 chapter 10-2? 1845 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,080 >> Uh, I thought 10-7. 1846 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,880 >> Okay. In 1847 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,000 that we uh No, I did not. And that we 1848 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,880 amend section 10-2-2 1849 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,400 to that definition of a pharmacy. 1850 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,760 What else do we need, Tom? 1851 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,159 >> Please, Tom. [laughter] 1852 01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:19,679 >> Um, that's great. Um 1853 01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:22,640 it it for clarity and ju just so nothing 1854 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,480 gets just so you're not trying to to 1855 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:30,159 like put the verbatim definition of the verbatim of the definition in the 1856 01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:31,600 motion. You might just want to say we 1857 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:36,640 adopt the ordinance as proposed with the 1858 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,480 first definition of pharmacy 1859 01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:42,000 uh in conjunction with and associate 1860 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,920 with a dental or medical clinic in the 1861 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,920 staff report and not the second 1862 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:51,600 definition. That way everything else is clear and and it's there's not a 1863 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:52,960 question about well did they adopt this 1864 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,480 part or not that part and but you're 1865 01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,480 just saying yes we adopted as proposed 1866 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:57,920 with the clarification that it's that 1867 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,640 first definition of this of the 1868 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,000 >> pharmacy in conjunction with the medical 1869 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,303 clinic that we're 1870 01:18:03,303 --> 01:18:04,640 [cough and clears throat] 1871 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:05,760 >> Does that make sense? 1872 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,000 >> Yes it does. And uh instead of reading 1873 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:16,394 all that should have done that 1874 01:18:16,404 --> 01:18:22,709 [laughter] 1875 01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:24,080 » for a second or are you adding 1876 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,440 something? 1877 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,840 >> Well, can we use your clarification, 1878 01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,040 Tom, or do we need to 1879 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,960 >> use Tom's clarification? 1880 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,400 >> Can we do that or do we need to make 1881 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:36,070 that motion? 1882 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,120 I don't want anything to say. [laughter] 1883 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,719 >> Um the the verdict the clerk is if that 1884 01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:46,560 as I've um stated that if that is 1885 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,719 acceptable to you Randy as a as a 1886 01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:49,840 substitute for your motion that you 1887 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,520 could say yes that's acceptable and then 1888 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,120 vote. 1889 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,199 >> That is acceptable to me. 1890 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:56,640 >> Okay. Do we have a second? 1891 01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:57,520 >> Second. 1892 01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,280 >> Got a motion by Randy and a second by 1893 01:18:59,280 --> 01:18:59,840 Jack 1894 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:00,800 >> and I. 1895 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,440 >> Randy I 1896 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:02,239 >> Barbara I 1897 01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:06,480 >> Jack. Okay. Next item on the agenda is 1898 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,120 ordinance 2026-02 1899 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,000 amending chapter 10-24-7 1900 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,320 of the town code regarding banner 1901 01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,320 permits by adding additional permit 1902 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,239 requirements, general standards, and 1903 01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:20,640 allowing banners in the public use zone. 1904 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,360 And this is Kendall Sagers. 1905 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,560 >> Yes, thank you. So, as you know, we 1906 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,640 brought this to you in your last town 1907 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,760 council meeting on February 11th, 2026. 1908 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,080 And just for that quick recap again, the 1909 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,000 permits, the banner permit standards are 1910 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,719 found in section 10-24-7 1911 01:19:38,719 --> 01:19:41,120 of the town code. These proposed 1912 01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,960 revisions enhance the clarity, 1913 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,199 efficiency, safety standards, and expand 1914 01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,679 the range of allowed zones. The proposed 1915 01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:50,000 changes changes will allow for banners 1916 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,000 to be placed in the village commercial, 1917 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,679 central commercial, and the public use 1918 01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:56,320 zone. We propose changes and additions 1919 01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,320 to the permit requirements, permit 1920 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,159 application review, and the general 1921 01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,000 standards. During the planning 1922 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,560 commission meeting held on January 21st, 1923 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,040 2026, the commission added the allowance 1924 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,880 on the number of banners allowed in the 1925 01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,679 public use zone from four banners to 12 1926 01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:13,840 banners. During the town council meeting 1927 01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,080 on the February 11th meeting, the 1928 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,840 council proposed further adding the 1929 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,239 allowance of three banners at a time on 1930 01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:23,280 a property within the public use zone. 1931 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,920 From the last meeting, we also cleaned 1932 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,920 up some of the language. We had the 1933 01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,640 interchanging shall and must. So, we 1934 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:34,080 cleaned that up per your request. Um, so 1935 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,520 the town council should review the 1936 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:41,830 proposed ordinance revisions. 1937 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,760 » I think he captured everything we talked 1938 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,080 about. What do you think, Pat? Randy 1939 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:46,560 Jack. 1940 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,640 >> Yes, indeed. 1941 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,960 So, thank you for revising that per 1942 01:20:50,960 --> 01:21:00,310 request and I'll look for a motion. 1943 01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,520 Town Council has reviewed uh 1944 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,679 ordinance 2026-2 1945 01:21:05,679 --> 01:21:09,600 revisions to title 104 town code allowed 1946 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,440 zones application process and standards 1947 01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:17,440 and authorizes the mayor to sign. 1948 01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:18,400 >> I'll second 1949 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,520 >> motion by Pat, second by Randy. 1950 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,159 >> Randy, 1951 01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:24,000 >> Barbara. 1952 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,400 Okay. Next item is ordinance 2026-07 1953 01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:31,360 changes to section 9-1-4 of the town 1954 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,560 code regarding the storage location of 1955 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,239 the physical copy of the state 1956 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:38,719 construction code. And I see that Nyall 1957 01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:40,080 is not here. So Tom, do you want to 1958 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:41,840 handle that one? 1959 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,920 >> I will. And Nile left me with like 1960 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,280 probably the most weighty policy 1961 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,661 decision you're going to be making. 1962 01:21:46,661 --> 01:21:48,400 [laughter] 1963 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:49,920 This ordinance has to do with where we 1964 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,760 keep the physical copy of the town of 1965 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,159 the of the um building code. 1966 01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:56,486 >> Maybe we should schedule a tour. 1967 01:21:56,486 --> 01:21:58,239 [laughter] 1968 01:21:58,239 --> 01:21:58,960 >> Currently the 1969 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,040 >> How much room does this thing take? 1970 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,440 >> Is it like a 1971 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:04,560 >> Oh, massive. 1972 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,199 >> Massive. Um and currently it says it has 1973 01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:09,280 to be in the clerk's office. We think 1974 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,120 it's actually we want the flexibility to 1975 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:12,239 put it in the community development 1976 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:14,639 office if we want. So, we're just 1977 01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:16,880 changing the the the wording from office 1978 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,480 of the town clerk to the town hall. 1979 01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:23,920 >> I'm just check 1980 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,199 the state come down and check on this. 1981 01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:26,639 People could 1982 01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:28,480 >> if it was specifically brought up in a 1983 01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:29,760 building inspector training that Zach 1984 01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:30,000 would 1985 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,840 >> No kidding. 1986 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,600 >> We We would never have changed it if if 1987 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,840 Zach hadn't gone to a training and this particular point came up and so we 1988 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,239 said we we should probably clarify that. 1989 01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:44,159 I'm just wondering why the clerk is 1990 01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:45,920 objecting to something like that. I 1991 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,520 mean, it would be good for her to put 1992 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,960 her feet on if she wanted to. 1993 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,920 >> Tom, is there an electronic link to this 1994 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,440 available? 1995 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:59,280 >> Um, so there is an electronic link. This 1996 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,280 um these are codes published by the 1997 01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,480 International Code Council and you can 1998 01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,120 get them, but in order to really get get 1999 01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,480 them in depth, you have to pay a 2000 01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:09,920 subscription to them. 2001 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,600 Um, and so there is a requirement that 2002 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,360 we have a physical copy in the town hall 2003 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,520 in case somebody wants to come and and 2004 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,510 look at them. 2005 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,120 » Really struggling with approving this 2006 01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,639 one. 2007 01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:31,590 >> Somebody have a motion. 2008 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:32,960 Town Council has reviewed and approves 2009 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,550 Ordinance 2026-07, 2010 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,800 an ordinance revising the town's 2011 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,560 regulations for storing the town's copy 2012 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,520 of the International Building Code 2013 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,440 by changing the specified storage 2014 01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:46,960 location from the office of the town 2015 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,960 clerk to the town hall. Generally, it 2016 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,920 authorizes the mayor sign. 2017 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,080 >> I'll second motion by pass, second by 2018 01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:54,880 Randy. 2019 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,950 >> I bar. 2020 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,719 Okay, 2021 01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:02,960 next item is selection of ParkPlace 2022 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,159 Residential doing business as AR Arcilla 2023 01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:10,080 Archilla Arcilla Arcia Ridge LLC as a 2024 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,560 town housing development partner for 2025 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,480 workforce housing units on parcel 2026 01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,800 S-100-Z 2027 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,040 located at the end of Trapper Circle. 2028 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,760 The staff contact is Tom Danzy and we 2029 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,920 have we have Kyle if we have questions 2030 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,920 for him. Um 2031 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,560 >> thank you, mayor. Um so as the council 2032 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,040 is aware, we recently issued a request 2033 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:35,040 for proposals to um find a partner to 2034 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,960 help us with development of the 2035 01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,159 workforce housing on the Trapper Circle 2036 01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:41,600 property. This has been a project that 2037 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,040 the town's been contemplating for some 2038 01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,440 time. Um and we've we've investigated 2039 01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,320 several different um housing partners to 2040 01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,159 help us with that project. We ultimately 2041 01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:54,239 issued an RFP to select the the most um 2042 01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:55,920 qualified 2043 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,400 uh partner and as a result of that RF 2044 01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,880 RFP process, we've um decided to 2045 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,679 recommend Parkplace Residential. 2046 01:25:03,679 --> 01:25:06,800 Parkplace is um a a firm that has 2047 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,040 extensive re extensive experience in 2048 01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,679 property management um as well as 2049 01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:13,920 property development. They come highly 2050 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,400 recommended. The housing committee met 2051 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,600 with them several times um to go over 2052 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,639 their proposal and to to ask them 2053 01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:24,639 questions. We also vetted them with 2054 01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:27,760 references um the and and spoke to to 2055 01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:28,800 folks who have worked with them in the 2056 01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,040 past. Um based on all of that, the 2057 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,800 housing committee is highly um confident 2058 01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,520 in in Parkplace and so we are 2059 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,440 recommending that the town formally 2060 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:41,199 appoint ParkPlace to be our housing 2061 01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:42,719 partner. they are going going to be 2062 01:25:42,719 --> 01:25:44,560 doing business under a business entity 2063 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:49,040 AR arca ridge 2064 01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,800 um and so although they submitted their 2065 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,280 proposal parkplace 2066 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:56,719 residential and that's their parent 2067 01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:58,800 company the actual development entity 2068 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,320 that will be doing the trapper circle 2069 01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,679 project will be Arcia Ridge so what we 2070 01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:05,280 what we'd ask you to do tonight is to 2071 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,320 formally appoint um ParkPlace doing 2072 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,400 business as Arcia Ridge as the town's 2073 01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,920 housing provider 2074 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,040 We have included for your reference an 2075 01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,239 outline of a um agreement between the 2076 01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:20,880 town and RCA Ridge that will outline 2077 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,159 just kind of the roles and 2078 01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:24,080 responsibilities. You do not need to 2079 01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,360 approve that. In fact, you should not 2080 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:29,840 approve that at this point because it is purely draft, but we would appreciate 2081 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,840 any feedback you have on the content. If 2082 01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,040 there are things that you see in that you would um like to question or 2083 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,480 you'd like to give feedback or direction 2084 01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,199 on, please do so. Um and then we will 2085 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:40,960 bring back a fully 2086 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,080 developed and legal agreement for the 2087 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,080 council to approve in the April meeting. 2088 01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,600 So again, tonight's action is just 2089 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,719 formally appointing Parkplace and then 2090 01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:52,719 informally giving any feedback on the 2091 01:26:52,719 --> 01:26:55,040 draft outline of the agreement. 2092 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:56,480 >> I got to say, now mayor, you're on that 2093 01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:59,520 committee. Yes. As as is Kyla and Tom 2094 01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,280 also. Um you guys did an exceptional job 2095 01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,120 on this, I think. I mean, that that 2096 01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,840 proposal is really well done in my 2097 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,000 opinion. 2098 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,000 And if we have any questions for Kyle, 2099 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,480 >> does anyone want to ask Kyle question? 2100 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,000 >> I I have questions 2101 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,600 >> for Kyle 2102 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:20,800 >> or for Tom. 2103 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,480 >> Well, I think both. 2104 01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,239 >> Kyle, would you mind stepping up to the 2105 01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:26,080 microphone and state your name and we'll 2106 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,800 just if if whatever questions come your 2107 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:29,679 way, answer those. 2108 01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:31,120 >> Okay. Kyle Arbazoo, Parkplace 2109 01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,719 Residential. 2110 01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:34,320 >> So, I guess the one thing that I was 2111 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,239 kind of picking up on is like each unit 2112 01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:39,280 is 660 square feet. 2113 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:44,000 And it could house up to four people. 2114 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,320 >> It is um technically three because it 2115 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,719 would be two plus one is general HUD 2116 01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:52,239 standard. So it' be two two people per 2117 01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:54,960 bedroom plus one for living space. As we 2118 01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,760 have looked at it there, we may amend 2119 01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,679 the plan just a hair as we've kind of 2120 01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:01,600 continued refining it more to make it 2121 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,520 better. So, we had that extra deep 2122 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,719 storage space and in discussion with one 2123 01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:08,400 of our other developer clients, the 2124 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,320 suggestion was made, why not make that 2125 01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:11,840 interior space because we're already 2126 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,360 building it anyways and so it's probably 2127 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,920 not a huge cost and so it would actually 2128 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,159 bump up the total finished. It would be 2129 01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:19,679 able to be used as storage, but if 2130 01:28:19,679 --> 01:28:22,159 somebody wanted to in theory, you know, 2131 01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:23,679 house an extra person or have a 2132 01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:26,000 roommate, uh, it would almost function 2133 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,520 as that with the exception of that room 2134 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:28,880 would not have a bedroom, but it would 2135 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,960 be a storage/den 2136 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,600 and it would increase the 660. 2137 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,920 >> Yeah, that seems really super tight to 2138 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,080 me. Um 2139 01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:42,000 so if I was reading the chart correctly 2140 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:46,000 um this would be for uh for two people 2141 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,719 the and based on their income the range 2142 01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:53,280 of rent would start out from 1612 to 2143 01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,760 2418 2144 01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,639 uh based on AMI and that it would uh go 2145 01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:02,080 up annually. So the way it was designed 2146 01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,000 um and the suggestion for the agreement 2147 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,920 was more that the grid for the proposal 2148 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,719 purpose was to provide a grid of what is 2149 01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:10,960 considered affordable to households of 2150 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,360 that size. It was not necessarily a 2151 01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,840 formalization of where we would end up. 2152 01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,280 Uh my recommendation to Tom in our last 2153 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,080 discussion was that we settle somewhere 2154 01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,960 I think in like the 100% AMI rent range. 2155 01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,360 I think it was like 1885 2156 01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,120 that we would set it to a household 2157 01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:33,440 limit. And so in the agreement it would 2158 01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:35,360 be so in affordable housing for 2159 01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,040 low-inccome housing tax credit purposes 2160 01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,880 generally it scales based on how many 2161 01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:39,840 people are in the household then you 2162 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,760 have an income limit. Our suggestion was 2163 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,120 not to have an income limit on the 2164 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,840 project because in theory what your goal 2165 01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,840 in my my opinion what the goal is of 2166 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,199 middle- inome housing is that you want 2167 01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:50,880 people to have the ability to level up. 2168 01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,560 The great thing about tax credit in a 2169 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,320 lot of ways is if somebody moves into a 2170 01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,560 tax credit project that's low income and 2171 01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,320 they're earning potential increases over 2172 01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,400 time. They're not kicked out of that. 2173 01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:01,840 They're they get to stay in that 2174 01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,360 position so they can save money and 2175 01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,520 eventually have a down payment. And so 2176 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,239 we would have a rent restriction. So in 2177 01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:09,840 addition to you guys getting the 2178 01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,120 workforce housing, we would be 2179 01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,840 restricting the rent um to a certain 2180 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,000 area med income range at a household 2181 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,560 size that we all agree on. Two people 2182 01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:19,920 seems to be the best. And that's why we 2183 01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,280 kind of were talking about amending that 2184 01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,159 downstairs uh room space. So in theory, 2185 01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:25,840 if two people work at Oscars and they 2186 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:27,760 wanted to split that rent, it becomes a 2187 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,360 little bit more affordable if they 2188 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,440 wanted to or if they had a child um that 2189 01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,080 they have that extra space. Uh so it 2190 01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:37,360 would restrict the rent, but it would 2191 01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:38,800 not restrict the income. So in theory, 2192 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,880 they could make more than the AMI. They 2193 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,199 could be making 140% or it could service 2194 01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:45,280 any of the medical providers in theory 2195 01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:46,960 that might be in between housing 2196 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,760 options, but it would cap the rent. 2197 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,840 >> And Jack, I just want to point out, you 2198 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,800 might not know this, we didn't have any 2199 01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,760 income requirements at all. Our RFP 2200 01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,679 called for the only obligation we had 2201 01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:02,719 was that they be workforced. And so this 2202 01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:05,679 is something that Kyle has 2203 01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:08,480 done to make them more affordable 2204 01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:12,159 without us forcing that. So it's it's a 2205 01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,639 bonus if you will that he's he's looking 2206 01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:17,840 at the AMIs and we have Matt Frink on 2207 01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,840 the housing committee and he helped us 2208 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,639 with the incomes at Z National Park so 2209 01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:25,199 that Kyle feels comfortable that people 2210 01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,520 can afford these units, but it was not 2211 01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,239 our requirement. Yeah, I've got two 2212 01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:32,480 long-term rentals that I've had the past 2213 01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:34,320 20 years here. And so I have kind of a 2214 01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,400 feel and it and these are for people who 2215 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,040 work here in Springdale. And then also 2216 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,280 just kind of watching 2217 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,239 um what is available and what rents are 2218 01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:46,480 and whether or not they rent. So it 2219 01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:48,320 strikes me as a little on the high side, 2220 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,960 but I guess you know you'll find out. 2221 01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,679 Um, I had a question on the 50-year 2222 01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:56,400 lease and and part of this is also for 2223 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,120 the town is how was that arrived at? How 2224 01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,600 was a 50-year lease? Is that common 2225 01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:02,480 place or 2226 01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:04,639 >> that was a determination? Uh, that was 2227 01:32:04,639 --> 01:32:05,920 what was put out in the request for 2228 01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,600 proposal that would be a 50-year term. 2229 01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,440 It is not a lease. It is a fee 2230 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:11,040 ownership. So, it is the land is being 2231 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,760 granted uh in exchange for the 2232 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,440 restrictions. 2233 01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:17,760 And I would say it is common on other 2234 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:18,880 affordable housing deals that we've 2235 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:20,960 worked on, cities have contributed the 2236 01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:25,120 land in addition to um additional 2237 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,280 financing methods uh which may include 2238 01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,199 home funds, may include tax increment 2239 01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:30,400 financing where they're not paying 2240 01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,639 property taxes for a substantial period 2241 01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:36,000 of time. And so uh it's a great benefit 2242 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,800 for the project, but it's not uncommon 2243 01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,840 uh in Utah or Nevada. And and maybe this 2244 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,920 I'll get to kind of where I'm going with 2245 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,080 that. And I've just got a couple more 2246 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,000 questions 2247 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,840 and maybe I'm not fully understanding 2248 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,159 this. Let's And so it sounds like that 2249 01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,480 you have the option at some point if you 2250 01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:56,960 decide this doesn't work for you, you 2251 01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,199 can transfer this ownership to someone 2252 01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:00,239 else. 2253 01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,480 >> In in theory, the project is designed 2254 01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,760 that it's yes, you could transfer the 2255 01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,639 ownership to somebody else. Um it it 2256 01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:10,400 really wasn't the goal or the intention. 2257 01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:11,600 It's really more of a survival 2258 01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,440 mechanism. I mean my hope is to live for 2259 01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,840 a very very long time. About 50 years is 2260 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,120 a long time. Um we approached the 2261 01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:20,560 development and I know that you probably 2262 01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,120 weren't on the committee. The firm 2263 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,639 Parkplace Residential is only owned by 2264 01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:26,400 two people. It's myself and my mother. 2265 01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,159 Uh but we are a relatively large firm. 2266 01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:29,679 We cover four different states. And so 2267 01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:31,440 the intention is that this is meant to 2268 01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:33,120 be a family asset. It's not meant to go 2269 01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,360 anywhere. We're local to southern Utah. 2270 01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,120 Uh I was born and raised in St. George. 2271 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,360 And so it was a unique opportunity for 2272 01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,520 us, we felt, to do a fund project that 2273 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,679 would be unique. Uh just going back to 2274 01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:45,280 the rental rates and the size. I mean, I 2275 01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:46,480 think the one thing that's different is 2276 01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:49,679 we did a project in Hurricane recently. 2277 01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:52,000 Um and I would say it's not the 2278 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,080 prettiest thing. It's a more of a box, 2279 01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,920 but we had a really good idea of what 2280 01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,600 costs were and we knew what our land 2281 01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:58,880 cost was and we knew all these different 2282 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,239 things. And so as we were approaching 2283 01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:04,560 it, um, we tried to design units that we 2284 01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:08,880 felt would have the adequate space, 2285 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,719 fit the needs that were kind of there 2286 01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:12,480 of, hey, we need to have outdoor space. 2287 01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:14,239 The parcel is also a very challenging 2288 01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:15,920 parcel to attack because it's a 2289 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:17,840 triangle, the way that the setbacks 2290 01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,000 were, utilizing the ridge, meeting the 2291 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,520 parking requirements, and so I think 2292 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,360 that we were able to hit all the things 2293 01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:29,120 that were in the RFP. Um, and we we 2294 01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,560 believe that the pricing based on where 2295 01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,360 people's area median income is and then 2296 01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,440 not having to travel. So, we're renting 2297 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,760 onebedrooms that are 598 square feet in 2298 01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,400 Hurricane. They just opened 30 days ago 2299 01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,440 and they're almost half gone. Um, and 2300 01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:46,080 those are 1325 2301 01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:47,120 >> with no rush. 2302 01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,000 >> So, I guess the let's just say let's 2303 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,920 just say in five years you decide this 2304 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,400 doesn't work for you and you have the 2305 01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,679 option of transferring this um at fair 2306 01:34:57,679 --> 01:35:01,199 market value. And if I look at this 2307 01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,600 correctly, you've got an investment of 2308 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,440 building it for about 1.6 million and 2309 01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,800 the town is donating the land. Um, and 2310 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,960 this is part of a question for Tom. Um, 2311 01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:19,600 does the fair market value include the the land? 2312 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,239 >> If you scroll up to the proforma, 2313 01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:24,239 there's actually a valuation metric 2314 01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:27,199 here. Um, if you scroll back down a 2315 01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:29,920 little bit, Tom, the cap rate, um, and 2316 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,480 this is based on the income stream the 2317 01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:35,120 property provides, right? And so a six 2318 01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,120 and a quarter cap rate because it is an 2319 01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,960 income restricted project, right? If you 2320 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:40,239 were to go to market, like we're going 2321 01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:42,159 to go look at stuff in Cedar and we're 2322 01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:43,840 paying like $80,000 a unit, 2323 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,239 substantially cheaper um because it's 2324 01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:47,840 income restricted and the income stream 2325 01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:49,360 is actually not that much worse than 2326 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:52,080 what this income stream is. And so the 2327 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:53,840 property would be valued and that's why 2328 01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:55,760 we put the income restriction, the rent 2329 01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,400 restrictions on it was in theory, 2330 01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,960 if you look at the 2.28 million, the 2331 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:02,560 property values probably between three 2332 01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,199 and $400,000. That said, there is clay 2333 01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:07,199 most likely on the property. We did get 2334 01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:10,320 the neighboring soils reports and at 2335 01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,400 preliminary we're looking at between 2336 01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,840 300,000 or more to put in peers or do 2337 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,920 the uh 8 to 10 ft of over excavation. 2338 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,080 And so while the contribution of the 2339 01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:23,920 land is super important, without it it 2340 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,440 would not be economically viable to 2341 01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,159 build it. So if you take the land over 2342 01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:30,480 excavation, everything like that and 2343 01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:32,800 we're not charging any development fees 2344 01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:34,880 in theory at a six and a quarter cap at 2345 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,760 2.2 2 million uh on an exit, we would 2346 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,120 essentially get paid for building the 2347 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:40,400 project, but there wouldn't be a 2348 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,120 significant spread beyond that. Uh and 2349 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,280 that would assume that somebody wants to 2350 01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:47,199 buy it and operate it because the way 2351 01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:48,400 that the agreement is intended to be 2352 01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,320 written, the person that has to buy it 2353 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,920 does have to commit to operating it. And 2354 01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:54,960 we do feel that the uh in working with 2355 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,600 Tom that it's outlined that there will 2356 01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,360 be limited amount of firms that can 2357 01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,600 provide the level of operation that it 2358 01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,520 would need. So, this kind of takes me 2359 01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:04,960 back to where I'm a little uncomfortable 2360 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,600 with a 50-year lease. And, you know, my 2361 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,480 interest is looking at uh protecting the 2362 01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:14,480 town. And so, you let's just say you 2363 01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:18,560 default in five years. And we are tied 2364 01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,040 to a 50-year lease. And so, my question 2365 01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,639 to Tom is, what language do we have that 2366 01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:28,080 protects the town if there's a default? 2367 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:32,480 >> It's not a lease. It's right. It's 2368 01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:35,440 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's not at least the town is transferring ownership of 2369 01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:36,480 the property. 2370 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:42,000 >> Well, even at that, you know, we're gonna we're so we're going to have 2371 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,679 this property sitting there that you 2372 01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:47,600 you're not able to, let's just say you 2373 01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,480 can't sell it because you can't find 2374 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:52,560 another, you know, somebody else to run 2375 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,320 this operation. 2376 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,800 So, I don't know. I mean, are we really 2377 01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,719 comfortable? You know, I was like, what 2378 01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:01,199 about a probationary period to make sure 2379 01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:03,199 that this is truly a good fit for 2380 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,520 Springdale? Unless the housing committee 2381 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,840 has already gone there and, you know, 2382 01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,119 you're all confident that this is, you 2383 01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,520 know, a good fit for Springdale and and 2384 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,159 that we are protected at all levels. 2385 01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:20,080 >> We've we've evaluated this completely 2386 01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:27,119 and um yeah, I and and if it's sold, with all the restrictions. So 2387 01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:28,159 >> I did see that. 2388 01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:29,280 >> Yeah, we 2389 01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:33,199 >> So we have we have a workforce housing 2390 01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:36,080 project for 50 years 2391 01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,119 and and 50 years was in our RFP. That 2392 01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:42,000 wasn't Kyle's decision. So he's not it's 2393 01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:43,760 not that he was reluctant to go longer. 2394 01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,520 It's that that what that's what we asked 2395 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,600 for. And so we can't now ask for 2396 01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,360 something else when we put an RFP out 2397 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,520 asking for 50. The the one thing I would 2398 01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,280 throw out just I mean to your point 2399 01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,920 about being protected I think um if we 2400 01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:57,520 just look at the pure cost what you're 2401 01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:00,320 really contributing is $8,000 a year to 2402 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,840 have this if you look at it over a 2403 01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,320 50-year term if you assume that the 2404 01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,280 property is worth $400,000 which without 2405 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,360 the land being contributed it would just 2406 01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,040 sit as land and so the property will 2407 01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,639 have more property taxes it will provide 2408 01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:15,280 a public benefit in my personal opinion 2409 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,600 it would sell I mean if if worse came to 2410 01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,760 worse the town could assume ownership of 2411 01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,760 the property at whatever market value is 2412 01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,600 at the time and you would have the units 2413 01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:24,719 that are built and you wouldn't have 2414 01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:26,639 technically paid a developer fee in the 2415 01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:29,920 worst of worst case scenarios. Um best 2416 01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:30,880 case scenarios you're going to have 2417 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:32,320 workforce housing with income 2418 01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:35,840 restrictions with a deed restriction and 2419 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,679 you know it's written where we have to 2420 01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:39,520 comply once a year with the verification 2421 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:43,119 methods and I would say we're reputable. 2422 01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:44,880 I mean I I think we're going to be here 2423 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,119 for a very long time but it is an 2424 01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:48,560 economics thing. them at the end of the 2425 01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:49,679 day. And that was kind of the thing that 2426 01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:51,199 we told the housing committee and we we 2427 01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:52,400 showed them our white box that we built 2428 01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:53,760 in Hurricane and like you can go look at 2429 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,320 that. It's it's really a matter of it's 2430 01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,080 comes down to what the town wants. I'm 2431 01:39:58,080 --> 01:39:59,520 happy to build whatever you want. I can 2432 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,440 build you the most basic box and it will 2433 01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:03,760 not look super pretty and we can lower 2434 01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,360 the requirements and you know we can 2435 01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,440 look at different options but for kind 2436 01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:09,600 of what was put out in the RFP which is 2437 01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,000 we want it to look you know equivalent 2438 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,840 to what's in the neighborhood which in 2439 01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:15,679 the 10 years construction costs are 2440 01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:17,119 significantly higher than they were 10 2441 01:40:17,119 --> 01:40:18,719 years ago. It's just a reality of where 2442 01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:20,639 it is. Interest rates are significantly 2443 01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:22,639 higher and at the same time we are the 2444 01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:24,080 ones that are going to risk the $1.6 $6 2445 01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,960 million in capital to build the project. 2446 01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:28,800 And so there has to be an adequate 2447 01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,480 return because I can get four and a 2448 01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:33,520 half% 4% in a money market almost. And 2449 01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,840 so there has to be enough spread that 2450 01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,639 there's enough economic benefit in doing 2451 01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:39,920 it. We don't have to get rich off the 2452 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:41,360 project by any means, but it just has to 2453 01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,280 have enough economic room to make it 2454 01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:44,480 viable. 2455 01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:46,000 >> These were just questions that came to 2456 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,679 mind as I read through this. 2457 01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:50,159 >> And can can I just add a couple things, 2458 01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:51,920 Jack? I I think you actually make raised 2459 01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,320 some really good points. Um, and one is 2460 01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:56,719 on your your comment about, you know, 2461 01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:58,719 can we can we do like a a probationary 2462 01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:01,280 period? We we kind of have a little bit 2463 01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,239 of that. Um, in in the draft outline, we 2464 01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:05,440 have a revisionary clause that's 2465 01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:07,920 proposed to go into the deed that says, 2466 01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,719 hey, if if ParkPlace fails to perform, 2467 01:41:10,719 --> 01:41:12,639 um, then there's a three-year period 2468 01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:14,480 that the property reverts back to the 2469 01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:17,360 town. Um the other thing is in the Red 2470 01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:18,560 Hawk agreement that we've done with 2471 01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,080 Mountain Country Home Solutions, there's 2472 01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,159 some language about what happens if 2473 01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:23,840 Mountain Country defaults and what 2474 01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:28,960 happens to the properties. Um and we can look at um incorporating some of 2475 01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,639 that language into this agreement as 2476 01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:32,159 well to protect the town in that regard 2477 01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:33,199 as well. 2478 01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:35,040 >> So you actually just reminded me of 2479 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,920 something that I meant to um mention was 2480 01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,000 and this kind of goes back to a 2481 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,960 discussion we had earlier on time frames 2482 01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:45,440 of of building 2483 01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:48,000 new construction in Springdale. And I 2484 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,560 read the that three-year time frame and 2485 01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:52,239 that it was based on I can't remember 2486 01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:56,400 the exact wording um like substantial 2487 01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,080 progress. 2488 01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:01,840 And I I wonder if we want to actually 2489 01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,320 define what we mean by substantial 2490 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,600 progress. And I I go back to what Kyla 2491 01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,080 had suggested when we had this 2492 01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,199 conversation before and it was based on 2493 01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:15,199 like an 80% 2494 01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:17,280 building inspection or I can't remember 2495 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:20,159 what it was exactly. 2496 01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:21,119 >> Probably the four-way building 2497 01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:22,560 inspection is what she was talking 2498 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:23,040 about. 2499 01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,199 >> Yeah. But I guess I would rather it not 2500 01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:27,840 be vague on, you know, because I think 2501 01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,639 what is considered substantial will be 2502 01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:32,159 different. 2503 01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:33,040 can help. 2504 01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:34,560 >> That's a great point and we can we we 2505 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,320 can we can clarify that when we when we 2506 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,080 do the actual language of the agreement. 2507 01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:39,280 That's a really good point. 2508 01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,440 >> We'll get the contract to approve 2509 01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:43,840 hopefully in April and we can make sure 2510 01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:45,679 it has all of those things that are that 2511 01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:48,480 you're comfortable with. 2512 01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:51,360 Anything else? 2513 01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:56,229 >> Thanks, Kyle. 2514 01:42:56,239 --> 01:42:58,560 We do need a motion if we're ready to 2515 01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,880 approve. Um, we do need a motion 2516 01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:07,109 selecting ParkPlace Residential. 2517 01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:09,040 » I can make a motion, but my 2518 01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,280 understanding from the training that Tom 2519 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,360 gave us was that I I can't introduce 2520 01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:14,719 stuff that we didn't talk about. Is that 2521 01:43:14,719 --> 01:43:16,239 right? 2522 01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:17,600 Can I introduce stuff that's in the 2523 01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:21,119 proposal, for instance, in the motion? 2524 01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:24,000 >> So, so the motion is to um 2525 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:25,679 >> Yeah, it's just to approve 2526 01:43:25,679 --> 01:43:26,960 >> is to select 2527 01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,639 >> Park Place. So, I don't have to make 2528 01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:30,400 given him. We've given Tom 2529 01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:31,520 >> Oh, no. You should You should still make 2530 01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:32,480 findings. Yeah. Yeah. 2531 01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:34,080 >> So, my that's my question. Can I make 2532 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,440 findings that were not part of the 2533 01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:36,239 discussion here 2534 01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:37,760 >> if it's part of the packet material or 2535 01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:38,960 part of the RFP? Sure. Because that's 2536 01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:40,320 all part of the that's all part of the 2537 01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:45,109 agenda item. 2538 01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:46,719 » Town council has reviewed the ParkPlace 2539 01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:49,920 Residential doing business as 2540 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,719 RCA Ridge LLC proposal and draft 2541 01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:54,000 development agreement. It makes the 2542 01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,480 following findings. Uh, Parkplace 2543 01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:57,920 Residential is a stable, locally 2544 01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:59,440 headquartered firm with extensive 2545 01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:01,280 experience managing highquality multif 2546 01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:02,800 family workforce housing communities 2547 01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,040 across the Inter Mountain region, 2548 01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,119 overseeing approximately 3,000 family 2549 01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:09,920 units. Uh, the firm's management plan 2550 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,360 includes a full service property 2551 01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,280 management with deed restricted 2552 01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,119 covenants tied to Washington County AMI 2553 01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:16,800 benchmarks. 2554 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,840 The proposed partnership town land 2555 01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,960 contribution in exchange for 50-year AMI 2556 01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,840 based deed restriction and no re and no 2557 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,080 revenue sharing is consistent with the 2558 01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:30,159 town's workforce housing goals and 2559 01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:32,639 general plan policies. Parkplace 2560 01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:34,560 Residential demonstrates expertise in 2561 01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,560 affordable and workforce housing finance 2562 01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:39,440 using market driven structures 2563 01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,440 their language. 2564 01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:44,080 Uh and the concept uh level site plan 2565 01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,000 includes 10 one-bedroom town home units 2566 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,800 with a garage parking for nine 2567 01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,239 uh which complements Springdale's 2568 01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:52,960 central commercial context 2569 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:56,480 and the proposed 18 to 20 more 18 to 24 2570 01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:58,320 month schedule aligns with the town's 2571 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,080 goal to deliver new workforce housing 2572 01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,719 units in the near term. Therefore, the 2573 01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:04,480 town council approves the selection of 2574 01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:06,639 Parkplace Residential as a trapper 2575 01:45:06,639 --> 01:45:08,880 circle workforce housing partner and 2576 01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,560 directs the staff to negotiate and 2577 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:11,920 return a development agreement 2578 01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:13,600 consistent with the terms of the 2579 01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:17,520 Parkplace residential proposal. 2580 01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,320 >> I think 2581 01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,880 second 2582 01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,679 motion by Pat, second by Randy 2583 01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:27,679 >> Barb. Okay. 2584 01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:32,560 >> Okay. Next item is resolution 2026-03 2585 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,040 adopting a historical displays policy 2586 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:36,960 for the town of Springdale. And this is 2587 01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,800 Kindle. 2588 01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,830 >> Yes. 2589 01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:43,840 » Um so the town of Springdale's general 2590 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,000 plan natural and cultural resources 2591 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:49,040 promotes actively seeking and preserving 2592 01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:50,639 historic resources throughout the 2593 01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:53,360 community. Sub goal D is to preserve and 2594 01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,280 promote community appreciation for the 2595 01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,400 town's heritage and cultural history. 2596 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,320 The town occasionally receives requests 2597 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:02,159 from residents and non-residents wanting 2598 01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:05,920 to donate items of historical value. Um 2599 01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:07,920 and staff recommends adopting a policy 2600 01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:12,159 that would manage such donations. 2601 01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:14,080 Sorry about that. 2602 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:15,920 Adopting the historical displays policy 2603 01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,840 will provide framework that ensures the 2604 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:19,920 preservation and integrity of the town's 2605 01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:22,400 collection of historical items, preserve 2606 01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:23,840 cultural heritage, and ensure 2607 01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,679 responsible practices with the 2608 01:46:25,679 --> 01:46:28,320 historical items. Some of the key points 2609 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:31,760 of the policy include a mission, access, 2610 01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,840 authority and responsibilities, 2611 01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,639 acquisitions, DS and disposal, 2612 01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:39,280 collections, care and documentation. One 2613 01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:40,719 thing I want to point out is that the 2614 01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:43,119 mission says to preserve, protect, and 2615 01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:45,280 promote the rich historical and cultural 2616 01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,440 heritage of Springdale, ensuring its 2617 01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:49,119 unique story and character are 2618 01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:51,119 celebrated and accessible for present 2619 01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:53,600 and future generations in alignment with 2620 01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:55,760 the town's vision to remain a 2621 01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,639 distinctive and cherished community. The 2622 01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:00,560 historical displays policy was taken to 2623 01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:02,400 the Historic Preservation Commission on 2624 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,280 November 13th of 2025. They made the 2625 01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,280 motion to recommend that the town 2626 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,040 council adopt the proposed historical 2627 01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:12,560 display policy and gift of deed. The 2628 01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,560 proposed historical displays policy went 2629 01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,000 through the town's attorney and was 2630 01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,400 updated with their advice since that HBC 2631 01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,320 meeting. One of those changes is 2632 01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,080 changing the gift of deed to a gift 2633 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,960 affidavit which is found in appendix B. 2634 01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,560 So, the town council should review the 2635 01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,880 proposed historical displays policy. If 2636 01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:30,320 the council supports the historical 2637 01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,800 displays policy, the council should make 2638 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:37,600 a motion to approve resolution 2026-03. 2639 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,239 >> Kindle, it uh talked about a committee 2640 01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:43,119 that 2641 01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:46,560 I guess it specifically said someone in 2642 01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,840 a in a staff role. 2643 01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:50,800 >> It does. There's 2644 01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,440 >> Okay. Yeah. So, 2645 01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:55,360 staff, commissioner, and a council 2646 01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,920 member. So once this is approved, we 2647 01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,320 would appoint a committee. 2648 01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:00,880 >> Sorry, 2649 01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:02,639 >> the committee is not appointed yet. That 2650 01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:04,639 would happen after this is approved. 2651 01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:05,280 >> Correct. 2652 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,119 >> Okay. 2653 01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:10,000 >> Is the town in the position of accepting 2654 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,679 donations. And where would they be 2655 01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:13,440 stored? 2656 01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:16,719 >> Yes, we are. Um at the moment we have a 2657 01:48:16,719 --> 01:48:18,159 display case here in the community 2658 01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:20,320 center which is our intention of having 2659 01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:24,080 those historical displays for storage. 2660 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:27,360 um that can be in a few different 2661 01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:29,119 places. It can be in town hall. It could 2662 01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:30,880 be here at the community center. It 2663 01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:32,800 could even be one of the one of the 2664 01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,719 storage units 2665 01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:37,324 of records. We got to put a pedal in. 2666 01:48:37,324 --> 01:48:37,679 [laughter] 2667 01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:39,280 >> Well, because I think you'll find that, 2668 01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,040 you know, people will want to donate 2669 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,360 furniture, old piece, old chairs and 2670 01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,440 whatnot. So, things that could take up 2671 01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:46,159 space. 2672 01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:48,239 >> We do have an old chair and it is 2673 01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:50,000 sitting in Nile's office. That's its 2674 01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,159 home right now. It looks very nice in 2675 01:48:52,159 --> 01:48:54,400 there, though. 2676 01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:56,400 But the committee will determine whether 2677 01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,320 we are able to take the things whether 2678 01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,159 we have a place to put them. And and the 2679 01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:01,760 items you're probably thinking of are 2680 01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:03,679 gone now. They've been donated 2681 01:49:03,679 --> 01:49:06,719 elsewhere. So for example, Jean Krauss 2682 01:49:06,719 --> 01:49:08,960 who's on the commission said somebody 2683 01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,679 found a bunch of old photographs. 2684 01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:13,520 Um I can tell you about that later if 2685 01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,600 she hasn't, but those are more the kinds 2686 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,679 of things that we expect to get. There 2687 01:49:17,679 --> 01:49:20,400 may be some furniture. 2688 01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,800 Well, and I think this is good to have 2689 01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,960 because it puts the town also in the 2690 01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:29,119 position of uh rejecting donations. You 2691 01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:32,159 know, if it doesn't fit the scope, 2692 01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:43,270 that's it's good to have that. 2693 01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:49,990 Someone want to make a motion 2694 01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:54,400 I move to uh adopt resolution number 2695 01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,199 2026-03, 2696 01:49:57,199 --> 01:49:59,760 a resolution adopting 2697 01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:02,719 uh a historical displays policy for the 2698 01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:06,870 town of Springdale. 2699 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,159 » I'll second. 2700 01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:10,719 >> Motion by Jack and a second by Randy. 2701 01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:11,280 >> Randy, 2702 01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,159 >> Barbara. Jack I 2703 01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:16,400 >> next item is a request to sell and serve 2704 01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:18,880 alcohol in the town field as required by 2705 01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:22,639 town code section 7-6-13e 2706 01:50:22,639 --> 01:50:25,840 located at 126 Lion Boulevard for the 2707 01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,320 Zion Chalk and Earth Festival. The 2708 01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:30,320 applicant is the town of Springdale and 2709 01:50:30,320 --> 01:51:00,629 the staff contact is Robin Romero. 2710 01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:03,760 Garen, have you checked the criminal 2711 01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,440 background of this applicant to make 2712 01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:09,189 sure there's no 2713 01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:11,280 Okay. 2714 01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:13,280 >> And it's beer and wine, right? 2715 01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:13,679 >> Correct. 2716 01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:16,239 >> Beer and wine only. Okay. 2717 01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:23,189 Motion. 2718 01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:24,960 » Okay. 2719 01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:28,639 So, this is this is a motion to approve 2720 01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:30,480 the request to sell and serve alcohol in 2721 01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,800 the town field for the Zion Chocolate 2722 01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:36,560 Nerf Fest. Easy motion. 2723 01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,520 Okay. Town and approves the request to 2724 01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:41,199 sell and serve alcohol at the Springdale 2725 01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:44,159 Town Field located at 126 Lion Boulevard 2726 01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:47,119 for the Zion Chalk and Earth Festival to 2727 01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:49,119 be held Saturday, April 18th through 2728 01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:51,040 Sunday, April 19th with the following 2729 01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,520 conditions. Before the event the 2730 01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,280 applicant will comply with section 2731 01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,199 7-6-13e 2732 01:51:57,199 --> 01:51:59,760 of the Springdale town code to include 2733 01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,360 signing an indemnity agreement with the 2734 01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:03,760 town of Springdale, obtaining a large 2735 01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,239 outdoor event permit, obtaining all 2736 01:52:06,239 --> 01:52:07,760 required alcohol permits through the 2737 01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:09,440 Utah Department of Alcohol and Beverage 2738 01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:12,080 Services and the town of Springdale and 2739 01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:16,080 approved security plan 2740 01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:20,080 and authorizes the mayor to sign 2741 01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,560 that. Is that it? Does that work? 2742 01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:25,360 >> The mayor will sign the next piece. This 2743 01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:27,119 you guys are just giving your approval 2744 01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:29,280 for for the event 2745 01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:30,000 >> without call. 2746 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,280 >> Motion by Pat, second by Jack 2747 01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:35,360 >> Barb. 2748 01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:37,920 >> Okay. The next item is related. It's a 2749 01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,920 single event local consent request for 2750 01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,719 Zion Canyon Brew Pub for the Zion Chalk 2751 01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:44,639 and Earth Festival located on the town 2752 01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:46,639 field at 126 Lion Boulevard in 2753 01:52:46,639 --> 01:52:48,880 Springdale. And again, the staff contact 2754 01:52:48,880 --> 01:53:06,390 is Robin 2755 01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:10,719 and this one would require my signature 2756 01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:12,719 to approve the local authority consent 2757 01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:15,280 for a single event permit for Zion 2758 01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:18,639 Canyon Brew Pub LLC 2759 01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:21,679 for the Zion Rockfest and direct the 2760 01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:24,239 mayor to sign. 2761 01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:25,199 >> Second it. 2762 01:53:25,199 --> 01:53:28,800 >> Motion by Jack and second by Pat. 2763 01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,159 >> I barre. 2764 01:53:32,159 --> 01:53:34,800 >> Next item is local consent request for a 2765 01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,040 restaurant full service alcohol license 2766 01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:39,360 for Wildcat Willies doing business as 2767 01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:42,719 Porter's restaurant located at 897 Zion 2768 01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:44,560 Park Boulevard in Springdale, Utah 2769 01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,639 84767. 2770 01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:49,920 The applicant is Jacob Cochran and this 2771 01:53:49,920 --> 01:54:15,830 is Robin's item. 2772 01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,159 Jacob has been the chef since he opened 2773 01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:19,679 and he's really he and his wife have 2774 01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:20,960 really been running the place according 2775 01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:24,159 to the stand. So it's not really new 2776 01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:25,760 anything new except the actual 2777 01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:26,400 ownership. 2778 01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,159 >> So it still 2779 01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:30,480 >> Yes, it does. 2780 01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:32,800 I move to approve the local authority 2781 01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:36,560 consent for a retail alcohol license. 2782 01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:38,639 This is a restaurant full service 2783 01:54:38,639 --> 01:54:41,840 license for Porter's restaurant and 2784 01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:46,149 direct the mayor to sign. 2785 01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,000 » Motion by Jack, second by Randy 2786 01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:51,910 >> Pat. I 2787 01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,239 » Okay. And the next item is discussion 2788 01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:56,239 and possible approval of employment 2789 01:54:56,239 --> 01:54:58,800 agreement for town manager Thomas Denzy. 2790 01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:06,310 And the staff contact is Don Breck. 2791 01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:09,840 » I wish I could do this from back there. 2792 01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,000 >> I try to distance myself from this until 2793 01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:13,920 I just shimmy right around this thing. 2794 01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:15,520 >> You could you could carry that back 2795 01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:16,400 there if you wanted to. 2796 01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,560 >> No, no. That's why I sit away from 2797 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:21,199 there. Um, this is the town manager 2798 01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:23,520 agreement that I asked the town attorney 2799 01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:26,719 to uh go ahead and complete for us. It's 2800 01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:29,199 It started out almost identical to the 2801 01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:31,599 one that you approved for Rick a couple 2802 01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:34,719 of years ago and we made some slight 2803 01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:38,239 changes and um you guys had a chance to 2804 01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,880 look at it. I sent it to Tom and he had 2805 01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:44,719 a couple of really um mostly grammatical 2806 01:55:44,719 --> 01:55:48,080 things to change and um and then I 2807 01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:49,920 changed a couple of grammatical things 2808 01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:54,639 too because you know who can't help but 2809 01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:57,489 correct the attorney's work. Come on. 2810 01:55:57,489 --> 01:55:58,320 >> [laughter] 2811 01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:02,000 >> And so what you have before you is the 2812 01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,679 copy that you should have now 2813 01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:08,159 >> because evidently I don't do I have to 2814 01:56:08,159 --> 01:56:09,520 do things twice. 2815 01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:11,920 >> I click on it. It said it was deleted. 2816 01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:13,360 >> Yeah. Mine just said that too. 2817 01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:14,560 >> We got a 2818 01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:16,320 >> we got it separately 2819 01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:17,760 >> and it's in a minute. 2820 01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:20,560 >> Got a new link because someone sent you 2821 01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:23,119 an old draft 2822 01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:25,520 >> and they should be fired and I should 2823 01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:26,965 have their job. 2824 01:56:26,965 --> 01:56:27,679 >> [laughter] 2825 01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:29,679 >> Well, I I do appreciate the grammatical 2826 01:56:29,679 --> 01:56:31,040 corrections because I had a bunch of 2827 01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,880 them on the first agreement 2828 01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,360 >> an English professor along with being a 2829 01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:39,520 >> read police reports for 33 years. So, 2830 01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,599 I'm pretty good at making sure nobody 2831 01:56:41,599 --> 01:56:42,480 gets in trouble with 2832 01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,639 >> dotting the eyes and crossing the tees. 2833 01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:46,400 Do you have any comments on this, Pat? 2834 01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:47,920 Are you okay with it? 2835 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,719 >> Well, I had one and let me get down to 2836 01:56:50,719 --> 01:56:53,280 it. It seemed like I had to read through 2837 01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:54,719 it several times. 2838 01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:57,440 it just seemed like a real word salad. 2839 01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:58,400 Um, and 2840 01:56:58,400 --> 01:56:59,760 >> there are a couple of those in these 2841 01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:01,119 agreements. 2842 01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:04,080 >> So, it's under uh eight termination. And 2843 01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:09,360 then if you go down to D, um, I just had 2844 01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:12,239 to re I had to read that several times. 2845 01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:14,560 >> So, this is a little cleaner. This is 2846 01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,239 one of those paragraphs that I cleaned 2847 01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:18,080 up because you probably read through the 2848 01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:19,679 first time, 2849 01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:21,679 >> remember? And I said I said this doesn't 2850 01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:23,679 make sense to me, too. So it's a lot 2851 01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:24,400 cleaner now. 2852 01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:25,199 >> Yeah. 2853 01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:29,360 >> And so yeah it's it it is much cleaner. 2854 01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:33,679 So my question is also there. Um uh 2855 01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:35,840 under D 2856 01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:37,840 we use the word you use the word 2857 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:39,599 termination 2858 01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:42,560 and yet if I understand this correctly 2859 01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:45,599 for some reason we find some cause to 2860 01:57:45,599 --> 01:57:49,840 ask town manager to resign and he does 2861 01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:54,800 it and then we accept the resignation 2862 01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:57,280 but it's classified as a termination. We 2863 01:57:57,280 --> 01:57:59,280 don't classify it as an involuntary 2864 01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:01,599 separation. 2865 01:58:01,599 --> 01:58:04,320 >> You know, we use the word termination um 2866 01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:07,920 in HR really loosely. Um we use it more 2867 01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,800 as as you would use the word separation. 2868 01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:12,960 So it's a voluntary termination or 2869 01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,599 involuntary termination. So that's I 2870 01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:17,360 think that's how that word is being used 2871 01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:20,560 here. So if you say if you give him the 2872 01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:24,880 opportunity to resign and he does then 2873 01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:28,880 that would be a voluntary termination 2874 01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,960 even though it's a resignation. So it's 2875 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,560 a voluntary termination. 2876 01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:35,679 >> So um and again I'm going down the weeds 2877 01:58:35,679 --> 01:58:40,560 here. So a prospective employer asks us 2878 01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:42,639 why did the town manager leave? Do we 2879 01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:44,320 say 2880 01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:46,320 it was determination? Do we say it was a 2881 01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:48,560 voluntary resignation? Do we say it was 2882 01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:49,679 a 2883 01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:52,159 >> if it was voluntary? We have photographs 2884 01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:54,080 which is why you got to get out really 2885 01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,639 these days. Um we can't say much of 2886 01:58:56,639 --> 01:58:58,480 anything. We can say these are the dates 2887 01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:01,440 that they worked here 2888 01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,159 >> which is really unfortunate but that's a 2889 01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:06,080 whole different conversation. 2890 01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:07,840 >> So there's no no problem using the word 2891 01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:10,320 termination again in that section. 2892 01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:11,920 >> Even though you mean resignation yes 2893 01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:13,119 there's no problem using the word 2894 01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:15,679 termination. Then in section nine, not 2895 01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:17,679 entitled to severance if terminated for 2896 01:59:17,679 --> 01:59:20,800 cause or if the employee voluntarily 2897 01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,159 resigns and the voluntary resign is 2898 01:59:24,159 --> 01:59:26,000 actually 2899 01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:27,280 >> classified as a termination. 2900 01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:28,080 >> Yes. 2901 01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:30,320 >> But if you if you just walk in one day 2902 01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:33,040 and say, you know, you got a haircut, 2903 01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:35,840 it's a mullet. I've never liked mullets. 2904 01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:38,320 You're out of here. Then you'd have to 2905 01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,239 pay severance 2906 01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:45,750 and probably have to get him a haircut. 2907 01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,280 So, 2908 01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,360 >> got it. 2909 01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,440 >> Haircut example sold it for me. 2910 01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:54,000 >> Hey, I've kept that one in my back 2911 01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,639 pocket for a long time. [laughter] 2912 01:59:56,639 --> 01:59:57,840 >> You guys have any other questions? 2913 01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,920 >> Just really quick on that same paragraph 2914 01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:04,320 nine, the very end. Um, notwithstanding 2915 02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:07,599 any provision in uh to the contrary, 2916 02:00:07,599 --> 02:00:12,390 should that be a separate paragraph? 2917 02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:13,760 Or is this Jack? 2918 02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:16,239 >> Well, because we're talking about them 2919 02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:20,480 being terminated without cause and very 2920 02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:23,920 the very last one is it's terminated for 2921 02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:24,880 cause. 2922 02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:26,960 >> Yeah, that that does that is I mean it 2923 02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,800 could be separated by it. 2924 02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:38,550 >> I think it's okay where it is, but I see your point. 2925 02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:40,480 » Anything else? 2926 02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:44,239 So, do we have a motion? 2927 02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:46,480 >> Town council's reviewed and approves the 2928 02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,560 town manager employment agreement 2929 02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,400 between the town of Springdale and Oh, I 2930 02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:52,320 did have one more question. I'm sorry. 2931 02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:54,800 Can I can I back up my ear? Is that 2932 02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:55,119 okay? 2933 02:00:55,119 --> 02:00:57,040 >> Yeah, start over. 2934 02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:59,040 >> Not on not on the one more question to 2935 02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:02,320 Dawn. You can stay there. the in in in 2936 02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,760 the agreement, we use the town address 2937 02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:08,400 for the town, but we also used Tom's 2938 02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:11,280 address. If there's a dispute and he's 2939 02:01:11,280 --> 02:01:12,400 not allowed back in the building, how 2940 02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:13,280 does he get his mail? 2941 02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:14,880 >> You know, I knew you were going to ask 2942 02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:16,880 that. Just answered it to 2943 02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:17,840 >> I wouldn't even have brought it up if 2944 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:19,199 you didn't bring up the haircut thing. 2945 02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:21,440 >> I know. I know. I was You're trying to 2946 02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:24,080 get back at me. So, we used Tom's 2947 02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:27,280 address because the because Utah has 2948 02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:29,520 really passed some strict data privacy 2949 02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:33,840 laws and if we didn't use the town's 2950 02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:36,719 address for Tom, we would have to redact 2951 02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:40,400 his address every time this agreement 2952 02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:41,599 was 2953 02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:44,639 >> was grandma was we would have to have it 2954 02:01:44,639 --> 02:01:47,760 redacted right here. And it just made it 2955 02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:50,480 a lot simpler to to use the town's 2956 02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:53,440 address. and Greg was fine with it. Um, 2957 02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:55,040 and 2958 02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:57,520 at the end of the day, I I have Tom's 2959 02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,239 address in in my payroll system and so 2960 02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:02,159 we always know where to find him and 2961 02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:04,080 chances are if he moved, we wouldn't 2962 02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:07,040 have his new address on here anyway, but 2963 02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,280 I would have it in the payroll system. 2964 02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:13,109 >> Okay. 2965 02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:14,560 » Anyway, the town council has reviewed 2966 02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:16,400 and approves the town manager employment 2967 02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:17,840 agreement between the town of Springdale 2968 02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:19,360 and Thomas Dansancy and authorizes the 2969 02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:21,119 mayor to sign 2970 02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:21,920 A second 2971 02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:24,480 >> motion by Pat, second by Randy Pat. 2972 02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:25,920 >> I Randy. 2973 02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:28,159 >> All right. 2974 02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:33,750 >> Um any any general discussion? 2975 02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:36,880 » I have something. It's um after our 2976 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:40,080 training that we did when uh Roger 2977 02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:42,639 Carter talked about us looking at the 2978 02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:45,679 code of conduct for the town and Rick 2979 02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:48,080 sent that out to us. It's I think it's 2980 02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:49,840 over 10 years old and it's time for us 2981 02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:51,599 to relook at that. And I think we ought 2982 02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:56,239 to have a conversation also about public um comments and that kind of 2983 02:02:56,239 --> 02:02:58,639 thing and just kind of clarify what this 2984 02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:01,119 council wants. And I want to propose 2985 02:03:01,119 --> 02:03:02,719 that we have a work meeting because I 2986 02:03:02,719 --> 02:03:04,320 think it'd be a lot to talk about in a 2987 02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:06,560 meeting like this. If everyone's okay 2988 02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:08,880 with that, um we could either look at 2989 02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:12,880 our calendars now or Robin could get 2990 02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:16,320 stuck trying to get dates from us. Um, 2991 02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:19,920 Kyla is not here, but I think that if we 2992 02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:21,599 could narrow it down to when the four of 2993 02:03:21,599 --> 02:03:23,119 us are available, that would be a really 2994 02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:25,679 good start. Is that okay? 2995 02:03:25,679 --> 02:03:27,599 >> Just for my notes here to discuss code 2996 02:03:27,599 --> 02:03:28,639 of conduct or is there something more 2997 02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:31,920 general you want to say just 2998 02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,679 >> um Yeah. Let's let's call it code of 2999 02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:35,360 conduct. 3000 02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,599 >> Whatever that document was called that 3001 02:03:37,599 --> 02:03:39,599 Rick sent out to us. 3002 02:03:39,599 --> 02:03:41,920 >> I I've got it somewhere here. Let me 3003 02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:44,719 I'll tell you what it's called. 3004 02:03:44,719 --> 02:03:57,830 So you get it right there. 3005 02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:02,390 Uh it's called 3006 02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:07,440 cond conduct policy and he no 3007 02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,199 >> conduct policy and 3008 02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:11,920 >> Rick in his in his subject called a town 3009 02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:14,400 conduct policy for elected appointed and 3010 02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:16,239 staff and public meeting rules of order 3011 02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:19,679 and procedure. That's a mouthful. 3012 02:04:19,679 --> 02:04:22,159 If you look at his memo of February 3013 02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:27,030 19th, 3014 02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:31,119 but the document itself is saying rules 3015 02:04:31,119 --> 02:04:32,880 of order and procedures for public 3016 02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:34,719 meetings and public hearings. So, 3017 02:04:34,719 --> 02:04:37,199 whatever you want to call it. Okay. 3018 02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:45,030 >> Uhhuh. 3019 02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:47,360 » I don't have a preference. Do Do the 3020 02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:52,390 rest of you have a preference? 3021 02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:55,040 When is a room most available? Probably 3022 02:04:55,040 --> 02:05:05,430 during the daytime, huh? 3023 02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:08,960 » Parties at three. 3024 02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:10,480 >> Well, that's that's the day, you know, 3025 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:12,960 Rick Rick's retirement party is 3 to 5. 3026 02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:15,679 What if we did it right after? 3027 02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:17,599 >> Is that too inconvenient to set the room 3028 02:05:17,599 --> 02:05:21,350 up, though? 3029 02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:24,560 We've got a 3030 02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:38,229 meeting. 3031 02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:40,560 » I was going to say that on the 27th we 3032 02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:44,960 are um what if we did it at 3033 02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:51,669 10 or 11? 3034 02:05:51,679 --> 02:05:53,599 Yeah, we knew that we won't be on the 3035 02:05:53,599 --> 02:05:55,679 stage. 3036 02:05:55,679 --> 02:05:58,400 >> Oh, but what? But this would be so. 3037 02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:05,189 >> Okay. 3038 02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:09,760 » Well, but on the 27th, we do have a meet 3039 02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:14,080 the town manager here at one. 3040 02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:15,679 >> But what Lisa is saying is that there 3041 02:06:15,679 --> 02:06:17,119 will be a piano here. So, it'd be hard 3042 02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:17,520 to see. 3043 02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:20,159 >> I had this room booked all day and I let 3044 02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:21,760 you guys have it 3045 02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:24,480 >> for that, but I I really need it for the 3046 02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:26,960 I got a contract with a pianist. Thank 3047 02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:27,360 you. 3048 02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:29,280 >> And this isn't real time sensitive. What 3049 02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:35,910 if we looked at Friday um April 3rd? 3050 02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:47,270 » Does that work? 3051 02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:49,520 I'm thinking 10. 3052 02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:58,870 >> Oh, after 11. 3053 02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:01,840 » 12:30. 3054 02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:03,840 >> Okay. 3055 02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,960 >> Yes. And um somebody needs to check with 3056 02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,520 Kylo on that, too, 3057 02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:17,109 >> but I'll bet she's available. 3058 02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:25,030 on the floor is great. Yeah. 3059 02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:28,239 So, we said March 20, 3060 02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:31,520 April 3rd at 3061 02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:36,149 12:30. Okay. 3062 02:07:36,159 --> 02:07:39,280 And I unless there's anything else, I'll 3063 02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:41,119 entertain a motion to 3064 02:07:41,119 --> 02:07:44,310 Adjourn 3065 02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:44,880 second. 3066 02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:46,880 >> Motion by Jack, second by Randy 3067 02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:48,239 >> Pat. I 3068 02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:54,870 >> barb 3069 02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:57,880 609.