[0:00] I think we're close enough. Welcome to
[0:02] the Springdale Town Council meeting.
[0:04] Today is Wednesday, March 11th, 2026.
[0:07] We're at the Canyon Community Center in
[0:09] Springdale, Utah. The time is 5:00 pm.
[0:12] Uh with us from the town, we have
[0:14] Kendall Sagers, Tom Dany, and Robin
[0:17] Romero. On the dis from council, we have
[0:19] Pat Campbell, Randy Eton, me, Barbara
[0:22] Bruno, and Jack Burns. Kyla Topam is
[0:25] excused tonight, and we will start with
[0:27] the pledge of allegiance.
[0:31] I aliance to the flag of the United
[0:35] States of America and to the republic
[0:38] for which it stands. One nation
[0:42] indivisible with liberty and justice for
[0:44] all.
[0:48] » Entertain a motion to approve the
[0:50] regular meeting agenda.
[0:52] >> I move we approve the agenda.
[0:54] >> Second
[0:54] >> motion by Randy and second by Pat.
[0:58] Brandy
[0:58] >> Barbara
[1:01] >> and um are there any general
[1:03] announcements?
[1:04] >> We do have several general
[1:06] announcements. I think first Ryan has
[1:08] some announcements that he would like to
[1:10] give the council.
[1:17] » Quite a few things this month. Uh first
[1:20] off, we have a blood drive that'll be
[1:21] Monday, March 16th. So that's next
[1:23] Monday here at the community center.
[1:25] We're switching things up. We're going
[1:27] to start it at 8:00 a.m. instead of the
[1:28] afternoon. So, we'll go from 8:00 a.m.
[1:30] to midday. I think 12 or 1. Uh, as
[1:33] always, welcome walk-ins are welcome,
[1:35] but people are encouraged to sign up at
[1:36] redcrossblood.org.
[1:39] Um, on Friday, March 20th at 1 p.m., we
[1:41] have a tumbleeed cleanup down at the
[1:43] river park. Um, and uh, special thanks
[1:46] to Council Member Burns for helping put
[1:48] that all together, but it should be a
[1:50] good good time. Um, on Wednesday, March
[1:53] 25th, uh, we'll be celebrating Rick's
[1:56] retirement with an open house. That'll
[1:58] be here in this building, uh, from 3 to
[2:01] 5:00 PM. Once again, that's Wednesday,
[2:03] March 25th. There will be some
[2:04] refreshments and some, uh,
[2:09] socializing, I guess. Uh, two days
[2:11] later, we're going to be having an open
[2:12] house for Tom, a welcome and meet the
[2:14] town manager here, same room, same
[2:17] building at 1:00 p.m. Also, there will
[2:19] be refreshments at that as well. And
[2:21] then last, um, we have Zion Chalk and
[2:23] Earthfest. This is next month, but we're
[2:25] just trying to get word out, um, that we
[2:26] are at a new location. Uh, for the last
[2:29] three years, it's been down at Zion
[2:31] Canyon Village. This year, it's going to
[2:32] be here up on the field and here at the
[2:33] community center. Um, so we hope that
[2:36] people will turn out for that. Um,
[2:37] that's on April 18th and 19th.
[2:40] >> Ryan, where would the where try this
[2:43] again. Where will the chalk art be on
[2:46] the
[2:47] >> this back parking lot?
[2:48] >> Oh, okay.
[2:49] >> Going off the parking lot. So, we'll
[2:51] have the chalk art here. We'll still
[2:53] have festivities up on the field with
[2:55] music and food and drink and some
[2:58] vendors. So, be a lot of fun.
[3:00] >> And you're not going to announce the St.
[3:02] Patrick's Day event because it's not a
[3:04] town event. Huh.
[3:05] >> It's not worth No, I'm just kidding. No,
[3:07] it's not our event. But
[3:09] >> could you just mention it because we've
[3:11] got people that might not
[3:12] >> Sure. Absolutely. Make sure I remember
[3:15] when it is.
[3:17] >> You want me to announce it?
[3:19] >> You want to announce it? It's next
[3:20] Saturday, right? Yeah, we have the St.
[3:21] Patrick's Day parade on Saturday the
[3:23] 21st and then there will be festivities
[3:26] up here on the ball field.
[3:27] >> Yeah, it's the only St. Patrick's Day
[3:29] event in It's only St. Patrick's event
[3:31] in Washington County. So, it's kind of
[3:33] fun. It's uh the 21st the parades at 2
[3:35] pm and then they'll have live music and
[3:39] food trucks and a beer garden and
[3:41] festivities, green jello sculpting
[3:43] contest and all kinds of things going on
[3:45] at the ball field. So,
[3:47] >> okay, any other questions?
[3:50] Okay, thanks.
[3:52] >> Any other general announcements?
[3:54] >> Um, two other announcements. Um, they're
[3:56] both regarding community surveys, and we
[3:59] know how much everyone loves to fill out
[4:00] community surveys, and so now we've got
[4:02] two available for you to get your survey
[4:04] fixed. Um, the first is the Utah State
[4:07] University Well-being Project Survey.
[4:10] The town participated in this two years
[4:12] ago and we got some really valuable
[4:15] input and feedback from the community
[4:16] about um the community's perceptions of
[4:19] well-being in Springdale. This is a a
[4:23] survey that Utah State University puts
[4:25] together and they distribute this to
[4:26] communities across the state. And so we
[4:28] get to see how we compare to other
[4:30] communities. And this will be
[4:32] interesting this year because we took
[4:33] the same survey two years ago. So, not
[4:35] only will we be able to compare how we
[4:37] um how how we comp or see how we compare
[4:40] to other communities, we will be able to
[4:41] see how we compare to our results from
[4:43] two years ago. So, please get the word
[4:46] out. Please um take that survey and it
[4:48] will be important to uh to get those
[4:50] results. The second survey that is
[4:52] currently open is the survey on the um
[4:56] messaging initiative. This is a is an
[4:59] effort that the town's messaging
[5:01] committee is putting together to create
[5:03] some unified messaging for visitors that
[5:07] also um kind of um helps to unify
[5:11] residents around the town's identity and how what we would like to message to
[5:16] visitors about the town when they visit
[5:18] the town, how to be respectful visitors.
[5:20] There was a great presentation on that a
[5:22] couple weeks ago. If you missed that,
[5:24] there's a link to the presentation on
[5:27] the town's website that you can review
[5:29] and then also give us your feedback in a
[5:31] survey about um this initiative. So, if
[5:34] you have not already, please take those
[5:36] two surveys. I should note that the Utah
[5:39] State University well-being survey is
[5:41] only open to residents of Springdale.
[5:44] So, you have to live here to take that
[5:46] survey. The second survey is um is a
[5:49] community survey. So any member of the
[5:51] community is is is able to take the
[5:53] messaging committee or the messaging
[5:55] initiative survey.
[6:04] » The Utah State University well-being
[6:06] survey closes on March 31st.
[6:11] » Anything else?
[6:13] >> That's it.
[6:14] >> Okay.
[6:16] Um, Superintendent Bradybot, do you want
[6:19] to give us an update on Zion National
[6:20] Park?
[6:26] » Good afternoon.
[6:28] Beautiful day here in the canyon for
[6:31] sure. Well, we've had great weather um
[6:35] all through uh February, which is
[6:38] reflected in our um monthly visitation s
[6:42] um uh results. And
[6:46] um we could certainly use some more
[6:48] preip. I'm sure our fire professionals
[6:51] would appreciate that. uh wildfire risk
[6:54] is pretty high, but uh attendance-wise
[6:58] um
[7:00] for this February um just completed uh
[7:05] we're up 8.3%
[7:08] above February last year. It's pretty
[7:11] significant. 177,700
[7:15] plus visitors.
[7:17] Um, and year to date, uh, we're up about
[7:20] 5.35%.
[7:23] Again, you know, we've had very mild
[7:25] January and February. And, uh, while
[7:29] visitation wasn't, you know, at at the
[7:31] summer scale, it was certainly pretty busy for the winter period.
[7:37] Um, couple of project notes. um our
[7:41] south campground uh restoration project
[7:44] that's getting nearer and nearer to
[7:46] completion. Few items left to work on
[7:49] that. We're probably looking at um a
[7:53] late May uh opening to the public.
[7:57] That's for South Campground.
[8:00] Then as you know um we were working on
[8:03] our first phase of our sewer line
[8:05] project up the canyon
[8:08] and uh that was completed um here back
[8:13] in October the second phase or we're
[8:15] going to go from um from the grotto to
[8:20] the temple of Sinowava
[8:23] um that's in engineering and design
[8:26] right now. Um we think we may be able to
[8:30] get started on it uh this coming summer.
[8:34] Uh so just a few months out. Um we've
[8:37] got a few funding things to uh to pull
[8:40] together. Um funding is coming from the
[8:44] state of Utah as well as a Zion Forever
[8:48] project and uh we're working on a a
[8:51] potential um uh grant as well. um
[8:57] through Senator Curtis's office. So,
[8:59] we're trying to pull those disperate
[9:01] pieces of funding together um as we're
[9:04] working on the engineering and design.
[9:06] So, um that's an important uh project
[9:10] for public health and um we really do
[9:14] want to get that one done. So, yeah, be
[9:17] happy to answer any questions.
[9:20] >> What will the reservation system be for
[9:22] the South Campground? Will that be a
[9:24] reserve only or will that
[9:25] >> same as it's been? Yep. It's on
[9:27] recreation.gov. It's It's a reservation.
[9:30] Yep.
[9:31] >> Is it open a year in advance?
[9:34] >> Yeah, I'm not sure. Well, it'll open as
[9:37] soon as we know for sure what the
[9:39] opening date um is going to be. So,
[9:43] we've kind of had that shut down during
[9:45] the construction period. So, as soon as
[9:48] we can nail down um you know, when we're
[9:52] pretty darn sure it's going to be open,
[9:54] then we'll open the reservation system.
[9:56] But yes, you can apply up to a year
[9:58] ahead. Yep.
[10:04] » Yeah. Go.
[10:24] Yeah. You're talking about the chain
[10:26] link fence for the construction. Yeah.
[10:28] When everything's done, then we'll pull
[10:30] that. That's going to be the last thing.
[10:44] It's going to actually be in the road
[10:46] most of the way because there isn't much
[10:49] shoulder to work with. So,
[10:50] >> y'
[10:57] be pressurized uh systems
[11:00] [clears throat] pumps along the way. Y
[11:04] >> will they be doing the same thing with
[11:06] the traffic lights?
[11:08] >> Yeah, traffic control all the way along.
[11:10] Yep.
[11:14] » Thank you.
[11:17] » Are there any questions or comments
[11:20] about the council reports?
[11:22] >> I do have a couple of additions.
[11:24] >> Okay.
[11:26] >> So, uh first off, I report on fireboard
[11:29] the
[11:32] didn't know if we were going to have a
[11:33] meeting in March or not. And we are now.
[11:35] It's going to be March 18th. The county
[11:38] commissioners have finally named the uh
[11:42] the other fireboard members. So, that
[11:44] will be March 18th. And then on the
[11:47] community renewable energy, I reported
[11:50] that uh the public service commission
[11:53] had not approved ours and Rocky
[11:56] Mountains application for our program
[11:58] and now they have. They approved it
[12:01] March 4th
[12:03] and that starts the time clock and I'
[12:06] I've sent you all a copy of the
[12:09] ordinance, but that starts the time
[12:11] clock for each municipality in the fire
[12:15] in the renewable energy program to pass
[12:19] a final ordinance uh adopting the
[12:22] program and becoming part of the
[12:24] program. [clears throat] the U Tom
[12:28] forwarded uh the ordinance, the draft
[12:31] ordinance that we have uh to Greg and I
[12:35] think uh tomorrow there will be a uh
[12:40] attorneys meeting, a Zoom meeting for
[12:42] the attorneys of the municipalities
[12:44] to talk about this ordinance because
[12:46] there was some um
[12:50] some things that we proposed in the
[12:53] ordinance. Um, and and I think John
[12:57] Goodwin
[12:59] from uh Greg's office is going to be in
[13:01] on that Zoom meeting just to kind of
[13:04] give Springdale a voice. But we will we
[13:07] have to uh that 90-day window closes on
[13:12] June 2nd. So, we will have to pass that
[13:16] ordinance by June 2nd. And uh once we go
[13:20] through this attorney's meeting uh and
[13:23] we get kind of the ordinance to where we
[13:26] feel comfortable and our attorney feels
[13:28] comfortable for it, uh I want to try to
[13:31] put it on the April agenda to get this
[13:34] ordinance passed so that we we have it done
[13:40] and and you all have seen a copy of the
[13:41] ordinance. It's it's one that's been
[13:44] drawn up and
[13:49] That is it.
[13:50] >> Mayor, I have two things.
[13:52] >> First up, and I'm sure that what wasn't
[13:54] just the chief, but I'm sure Rob was
[13:56] also involved. If you haven't uh seen or
[13:58] heard about the generator that the chief
[14:00] has put in um actually supplies power
[14:04] for this building and town hall, not the
[14:07] library.
[14:09] So, bring a reading light. Uh but it's
[14:12] up and running. Um and it's really
[14:14] compact, really well hidden. uh noise
[14:16] level is way down. Um and secondly, in
[14:20] conjunction with that, working with uh
[14:21] Tom and Rick on the emergency management
[14:25] preparation, which I we're shooting for
[14:28] August, perhaps
[14:30] uh some tabletop exercises um and some
[14:33] ICS briefings for town staff. Still
[14:37] hasn't been firmed up on the calendar,
[14:38] but it's in the works.
[14:43] We have some representatives from
[14:44] Hurricane Valley Fire here. They don't
[14:46] have a presentation, but if any of you
[14:48] have any questions, we could let you ask
[14:51] those now.
[14:53] Okay. So, the next item on the agenda is
[14:56] a presentation by Lori Wright. Lori is
[14:58] the CEO of Family Healthcare. And Lori,
[15:01] you're welcome to come up and
[15:03] talk to us.
[15:06] Presentation. Yeah. No. [laughter] Um I
[15:10] talked to um Rick this week and so I'm
[15:14] just going to do a pretty casual
[15:15] presentation but open to any questions
[15:17] that you might have. Um I first want to
[15:19] just introduce Family Healthcare. Um
[15:21] we're a 501c3. We've been around since
[15:24] 2002
[15:26] and um we serve a lot of Washington
[15:29] County as well as Iron County. And last
[15:32] year we served over 18,000 patients. We
[15:35] did about 67,000 visits. and we do a lot
[15:39] of different kinds of care and some of
[15:41] those we do out here in Springdale and
[15:43] some we don't but you're welcome if
[15:46] you're a patient to come and get those
[15:48] services anytime. Um out in Springdale
[15:51] we provide medical and we do some
[15:53] behavioral health work for Zion National
[15:55] Park. And then in our other clinics we
[15:58] also do dental we have some psychiatry
[16:00] services
[16:02] optometry
[16:03] and um trying to think what I'm missing
[16:06] and dental. So, um, we're thrilled to be
[16:10] in, um, out here working in Springdale.
[16:13] And I think just to answer a few
[16:15] questions that I've heard and then
[16:17] absolutely happy to answer more. Um, as
[16:20] we do our work out here in Springdale, I
[16:23] think it's been
[16:26] was kind of an answer to a question of
[16:28] who was going to run the clinic after
[16:30] the McManons left and wanting to do that
[16:33] because we feel so strongly about
[16:35] community service and community
[16:36] partnership and wanting to make sure
[16:39] that this community continued to have
[16:41] access to health care as well as serving
[16:43] the tourists that come and go from Zion
[16:45] National Park. So, it's it's both for
[16:47] sure for us. And and over the last two
[16:50] years, we've seen a steady growth in the
[16:52] number of people we're serving,
[16:54] including residents of we look at it
[16:56] from um Springdale, Rockville, and
[16:59] Virgin is how we kind of count residents
[17:01] for the area. And we started in 2023, we
[17:04] were open like four weeks and we saw
[17:06] eight people, which was amazing. And
[17:08] then in 2024 people, these are
[17:11] residents. Um we saw 175 and in 2025 we
[17:15] saw 180. And already in 2026
[17:20] we've seen um 80. So that's quite a few.
[17:23] And then of those we saw quite a few
[17:25] encounters. So those 180 that saw us in
[17:28] 2025 they completed almost 500 visits.
[17:31] So each of them are coming just like we
[17:33] would expect them to come multiple times
[17:35] is that's generally how we do healthcare
[17:38] is see people um for a basic visit and
[17:41] then we see them for subsequent visits.
[17:43] And so, and then I don't know if if
[17:46] you're interested, but the majority of
[17:48] the patients that we serve that aren't
[17:50] from um this community are really from
[17:54] people that are all over the United
[17:55] States that don't live in Utah. So, of
[17:58] those in 2025, we saw over 304.
[18:02] And um that is kind of what you would
[18:05] expect from a national park being part
[18:07] of this community. And then I think also
[18:11] regardless of um different different
[18:14] things I think I know we have limited
[18:16] hours here in Springdale but we are open
[18:18] Monday through Saturday in our St.
[18:20] George office and we're open Monday
[18:23] Tuesday um Thursday Friday in in um
[18:27] hurricane and we see a good many of tour
[18:31] not tourists sorry residents in both
[18:33] those clinics. So we saw 79 in um of the
[18:37] residents in our hurricane visit in
[18:39] visit hurricane clinic and 64 in our St.
[18:43] George and many of those are
[18:45] establishing care there and coming
[18:46] continuously. And so we know that
[18:50] um that there's a variety of different
[18:52] reasons why people might travel to
[18:54] Hurricane or to St. George, but we're
[18:57] excited mostly to be able to do that
[18:58] here in um out here in Springdale town.
[19:03] I think the other thing to think about
[19:05] is we are in a very limited building
[19:10] right now. It's very small for what
[19:12] we're doing. It is.
[19:16] I have providers sitting in weird spots
[19:19] doing notes and it's very hard
[19:23] to keep that continuity that if there
[19:26] were to be well there are days when it's
[19:29] just busy and it's hard to see the
[19:30] patients fluidly and efficiently and it
[19:33] slows down the whole process. And then I
[19:36] think one other question I've been asked
[19:38] is why we're not here on weekends and
[19:40] why we're not here late.
[19:43] And some of that has to do with who I
[19:45] have to hire to put here. So providers
[19:49] um whether they be a nurse practitioner,
[19:51] a physician assistant or phys or a
[19:53] physician, they really require an
[19:56] enducement to work those extra hours.
[19:58] And I'm already paying them to travel
[20:02] their time to travel into Springdale
[20:04] without them seeing patients. And if I
[20:06] kept them here late or on Saturdays, I
[20:10] would have to pay them more. In fact, my
[20:11] Saturday clinic in St. George, I have to
[20:13] pay them double to do that clinic. And
[20:16] the reason why it works for us is I have
[20:18] a grant that helps us offset some of
[20:20] that cost. But we also see 36 patients
[20:23] in six hours. So, it's a very busy
[20:26] urgent care visit, visit, urgent care
[20:29] clinic. So, um, and then the other
[20:32] questions I'm hearing a lot about are
[20:34] pharmacy.
[20:35] So pharmacy is many different things to
[20:38] family health care and one of them is
[20:41] the best way we know how to help
[20:42] patients get access to medication and we
[20:46] have a program that helps anyone who's
[20:48] our patient get access to really
[20:49] discounted medications but it also just
[20:53] helps with continuity of care regardless
[20:54] right so if I see someone and they're a
[20:57] provider sees someone and they're
[20:58] diabetic and they don't have access to
[21:00] insulin or it's hard to get to their
[21:03] strips or their pump supplies supplies,
[21:05] it's hard to continue to take care of
[21:08] them. So, having a pharmacy on site um
[21:11] really helps with that continuity of
[21:12] care. We've seen at our St. George site
[21:16] as well as in Hurrican as we've openies.
[21:19] We've seen um people do better on
[21:22] outcomes, but also they're just happier
[21:24] because they don't have to go to another
[21:26] spot after to get their um
[21:28] prescriptions. And we work really hard
[21:30] to make sure that if we're seeing you in
[21:32] clinic that day, you're not waiting very
[21:35] long to get that prescription. It's we
[21:37] work really hard to make sure it's
[21:38] within 20 minutes of you coming. And
[21:41] usually that's pretty fast turnaround
[21:43] because that's electronically coming to
[21:45] us and it takes a minute sometimes to
[21:47] get to us. But our pharmacy
[21:50] um in Hurricane does about a hundred
[21:54] prescriptions a day when they're open.
[21:57] And that's enough to help us not only
[22:00] take care of all those patients, but
[22:01] there's some revenue that we make there
[22:03] that helps us take care of our patients
[22:05] and hurricane even better. So, it's a
[22:07] win for both. Um, out here in
[22:10] Springdale,
[22:11] I know initially, as long as I've been
[22:14] talking to people in Springdale town,
[22:16] the pharmacy has been something that's I
[22:18] have heard is of interest to the
[22:21] community. And so, having enough space
[22:23] to do a pharmacy is, I think, a critical
[22:25] piece. And one other thing that I think
[22:28] I'm hearing a lot about is behavioral
[22:30] health need. And while I don't always
[22:33] have someone here there, the idea of
[22:36] having space so that we could bring
[22:38] someone here, I think it's really
[22:39] important as we think about the overall
[22:41] needs of the community. And we see all
[22:45] kinds of behavioral health needs from
[22:47] depression to anxiety to substance use
[22:49] disorder and all kinds of things. And
[22:51] we're we're normal humans, so we all
[22:53] kind of have ups and downs and needs for
[22:55] those things. Do you have any other
[22:58] questions for me?
[23:03] » So, right now we're open Monday and
[23:04] Friday and then during the um starting
[23:08] in April, we'll go Monday, Tuesday,
[23:10] Thursday, Friday.
[23:14] Lauri, you mentioned that you have
[23:16] behavioral health available for
[23:18] employees of Z National Park in a bigger
[23:20] building. Would you have that available
[23:22] to members of the community as well?
[23:25] >> So, it's a unique situation with Z
[23:27] National Park because they're paying for
[23:28] those visits whether we see patients or
[23:31] not. So it's um and that is through
[23:35] contract and it's worked really well and
[23:37] most of the time I think I think David's
[23:40] the superintendent is still here so he
[23:42] knows between 85 and 90% full and he's
[23:45] seen a lot of their um employees and I
[23:48] would be happy to do something like that
[23:50] if I knew what kind of utilization we
[23:52] were going to have and um I am almost
[23:57] always open to talking about well I am
[23:59] always open to talking about It's an
[24:01] opportunity for the town to win as well
[24:04] as us to win and making sure it's
[24:05] mutually a win. Um, if there was some
[24:09] way of knowing like if I could put
[24:12] another half day of behavioral health
[24:13] out here and it would be full, then we
[24:15] would be out here. For me, it's a lot
[24:17] about utilization and the cost of that
[24:19] utilization or lack thereof.
[24:24] in if you were in a different building,
[24:27] would we expect to still see the same
[24:29] days of operation including no service
[24:32] on weekends?
[24:34] >> Yeah, I think so.
[24:37] There's a couple of things in play
[24:38] there. And yes, you probably would
[24:40] unless I or the town and I could come to
[24:43] some kind of agreement where there was
[24:45] some help with inducement because
[24:47] bringing someone out here on Saturdays
[24:49] where I'm paying, you know, this isund
[24:52] if it's a nurse practitioner, it's
[24:53] $130,000
[24:55] employee and then I'm doubling that um
[24:58] to have them be here. And if they're not
[25:00] seeing a lot of patients and I'm not
[25:02] making any revenue. So I am completely
[25:05] open to discussions with the town. if
[25:08] you feel like that's vital, you know,
[25:10] what can we do to make that be something
[25:12] that's a win for everybody? Um, paying
[25:15] someone to be here that that that cost
[25:17] is is not possible for me.
[25:23] » If they lived here, um, and they could
[25:26] afford to live here,
[25:29] I don't know if they would they would
[25:31] still want an end for working weekends.
[25:33] I haven't I have yet to meet a provider
[25:35] that will just work weekends without
[25:37] pay.
[25:41] » The olden days that was true, but not
[25:43] current people.
[25:45] >> I think you know like when I get
[25:47] cornered at the post office
[25:49] >> Yeah.
[25:51] >> You know what I hear the most on
[25:53] concerns from people right now realizing
[25:56] where we were in the past is just these
[25:59] limited hours of operation.
[26:02] um no weekend coverage as well as um not
[26:06] being able to actually speak to somebody
[26:08] on the phone. Now, I'm assuming when
[26:10] somebody's working, someone's answering
[26:13] the phone and you can actually talk to a
[26:16] person, but that seems to come up. Um,
[26:20] you know, that if if, uh, they need to
[26:22] set up an appointment when you are
[26:24] closed,
[26:26] um,
[26:28] [clears throat] they would like, you
[26:29] know, a person to speak to.
[26:32] So after hours, I always have a nurse
[26:34] that answers every phone call after
[26:36] hours 24/7, 365. If we're not open,
[26:40] they're answering calls. If I'm closed
[26:41] for a meeting, they're answering calls. So, um, as far as
[26:46] making an appointment, if they answer a
[26:47] call and someone says, "I want an
[26:49] appointment," I have a team that will
[26:50] call them the next day and make the
[26:51] appointment.
[26:53] Always. Um, we also have online
[26:56] scheduling. And I am I will be honest, I
[26:59] don't know that I've opened that to
[27:01] Springdale town, but I definitely could
[27:03] open that to Springdale town. So people
[27:05] could get on at 2 in the morning and
[27:07] make an appointment. And that's
[27:08] something I can go back and check on
[27:10] because I haven't checked on that. But
[27:12] absolutely, right now you could for all
[27:15] most of our providers make appointments
[27:17] anytime.
[27:19] But having someone to talk to, I mean,
[27:21] we don't use any kind of
[27:25] AI tool or we don't send the calls to
[27:27] India. They all come to family
[27:29] healthcare and we're answering every
[27:30] call live. And like I said, I have a
[27:33] really strong team that answers those
[27:34] calls and I have a federal requirement
[27:36] to do that follow-up. So I know what
[27:38] happens. If they've if they've called,
[27:40] we've called them back.
[27:43] >> That online scheduling, that sounds
[27:44] pretty convenient.
[27:45] >> Yeah. and I can get that turned on and
[27:49] can go back to my office tomorrow and
[27:50] start working on it for sure. Yep.
[27:55] And that online scheduling also. So, one
[27:57] of the things that people don't
[27:59] necessarily know is we have what's
[28:00] called a portal. So, if you're a patient
[28:02] and you go into that patient portal, you
[28:04] can email our providers at any time of
[28:06] day and they're all um they are watching
[28:10] their email and if they're not watching
[28:11] their email, we're watching it for them
[28:13] to help them answer those timely. So,
[28:15] you can email your provider. Um, my
[28:18] particular provider, okay, so honestly,
[28:20] I text him, but if he I know my husband
[28:23] likes to act like a real patient, and
[28:25] that's to help me be a better CEO, and
[28:27] so my husband will message him. My
[28:29] daughter who lives in PAC is our patient
[28:32] because she loves him so much. But, um,
[28:35] he answers very timely. So you can send
[28:38] him a email and he'll answer within
[28:42] if it's I would say for him I can say
[28:45] two to three hours but we say 24 hours
[28:47] you get an answer back and if it's
[28:49] urgent um again if you call our nurse
[28:51] line and it's urgent you're going to get
[28:53] an on call doc so we have on call docs
[28:55] 247 365 as well
[28:59] that's just a system thing
[29:03] and our agenda item tonight is about
[29:06] adding medical clinics and pharmacies to
[29:09] the zone. It's not about this clinic,
[29:11] but um so I just want to mention that
[29:14] when when we recruited family healthc
[29:17] care to come up here and work out of
[29:18] this building while we tried to get a a
[29:22] better medical clinic,
[29:25] we're sort of the narrative has turned
[29:27] around and I'd like to get back to the
[29:28] original narrative which is that we were
[29:30] about to lose our medical clinic. The providers were retiring. we were
[29:35] about to lose one of the few things we
[29:37] have in Springdale and don't have to go
[29:38] downhill for. So to be open two days a
[29:42] week when it's just my primary care and
[29:44] I can make an appointment. It's not
[29:46] urgent.
[29:47] It's I can make that appointment and so
[29:49] it's really valuable to me and to be
[29:51] able to get prescriptions here would be the icing on the cake because
[29:56] it's one of the few things I don't have
[29:57] to go down the hill for. I don't expect
[29:59] ever to see a specialist up here.
[30:01] Although you have a mobile clinic, you
[30:03] could do some specialty clinics and that
[30:05] kind of thing, but the narrative I want
[30:07] to be talking about isn't that they're
[30:10] not open enough. They're not they're
[30:14] um there aren't enough locals. What
[30:16] we've got is a clinic that our visitors
[30:19] can help us pay for that benefits
[30:21] locals. And seeing the numbers that you
[30:24] submitted to us about how many locals
[30:25] are using the clinic was really
[30:27] heartening for me because I did not
[30:28] expect that. So um so any questions for
[30:33] family health care this is the time to
[30:34] answer those. They do take all insurance
[30:37] um policy all insurance
[30:38] >> including select health which Helen did
[30:40] not
[30:41] >> right but I also with pharmacy I think
[30:44] one of the things that I've been asked
[30:45] is um what's the difference between a
[30:48] pharmacy that just takes care of our
[30:49] patients versus a pharmacy that takes
[30:51] care of everyone. So I mean I would love
[30:54] for it to be well I have mixed feelings.
[30:56] So but if we can do everyone if you can
[30:58] imagine that means all your specialty
[31:01] drugs everything any prescription you're
[31:04] traveling to get could be done here. Um
[31:06] and we're not going to be any price
[31:10] point different than what you're
[31:11] experiencing at your current pharmacy.
[31:13] Now, if you're our patient and you
[31:16] decide to be our patient, you can still
[31:17] have all your specialty drugs, if we're
[31:20] sending you, if we know you're going to
[31:22] that referral and it's in your medical
[31:23] record and we're talking to you about
[31:24] that specialty, um, and it's cardiology
[31:27] and they're taking care of that part of
[31:29] your work and we're taking care of the
[31:30] rest of you, that cardiology drug can
[31:33] come to our pharmacy and you can get
[31:34] that at very discounted rate if you're
[31:36] our patient. And that's something that
[31:38] no other pharmacy except for another
[31:40] community health center could do for
[31:42] you. And that's an amazing service. The
[31:45] reason I think it's important to be open
[31:46] to everyone is when I think about um
[31:51] first of all, all you all that maybe
[31:52] choose not to come to us, you should
[31:54] still be able to get your prescriptions
[31:56] and not have to drive to get them. And I
[31:58] think that's an amazing thing. And I'm
[32:01] willing to open hours of pharmacy to
[32:03] match need and to work together with,
[32:07] you know, I know I have to be careful
[32:09] because I like you might want us 40
[32:11] hours a week here, but I can't do that.
[32:13] But we can talk about it and make it
[32:14] work for the town as well as us. And
[32:16] maybe that's, you know, what hours of
[32:18] the day are best for the community for
[32:19] us to be here. But the other thing is if
[32:22] I'm on vacation and I'm from the United
[32:25] States and I have a prescription that I
[32:26] need and something happened to it, then
[32:29] my provider can just call it here and I
[32:31] can pick it up. Or if I'm really I mean
[32:34] this is the best part that I love is and
[32:36] having a pharmacy would be so great is
[32:37] if I'm really really sick and I need
[32:39] that prescription today.
[32:41] I mean I can I can drive out your
[32:43] prescriptions right now to you once a
[32:44] week if you really need that. But if
[32:47] you're really sick, that's hard. And so
[32:48] having a pharmacy will really help with
[32:50] those two things as well.
[32:56] » Anything else for Lori? Uh Gail, you had
[32:59] a question?
[33:00] >> Yeah.
[33:01] >> Can you for for the minutes, can you go
[33:03] to the microphone and stays? Sorry.
[33:07] Y Kefir is family health working with
[33:12] Zion National Park to become their first
[33:15] choice of bringing uh injuries to
[33:21] >> That's a great question.
[33:23] >> I have asked National Park about that.
[33:25] They have a medical director that's at
[33:27] St. George Regional which they've had
[33:29] for a very very long time and they're
[33:31] not I think it makes they're not willing
[33:33] to change that relationship and it makes
[33:35] sense. A lot of things that happen in
[33:38] the park that are injuries, we're not
[33:40] going to be able to take care of, right?
[33:42] I mean, we're we're still ambulatory.
[33:44] We're still I don't have a neurologist
[33:46] on site. I can't do surgery, right? If
[33:49] you can ambulate yourself, so we call
[33:51] ourselves ambulatory. So, if you break
[33:53] your leg and you can get into our
[33:54] clinic, we'll take care of your leg.
[33:56] There's very few things that you can
[33:58] walk in that we can't take care of in
[34:00] that clinic. So, if you have if you're
[34:02] having heat stroke and you can actually
[34:04] get yourself in there, we'll treat your
[34:05] heat stroke. But if you have to be
[34:08] transported, the park and I think to
[34:10] protect their liability, you're going to
[34:12] head out to St. George Regional.
[34:15] So, if if you're getting in that EMS, if
[34:17] you're getting in that ambulance, you're
[34:19] off to St. George Regional. But if you
[34:21] can walk to us and having help, I mean,
[34:25] that doesn't have to just be you
[34:26] walking, but you get help to come to us.
[34:28] I broke my ankle. I did one of those
[34:30] great breaks where you have I have a
[34:32] plate and pins and screws on my ankle
[34:35] and I walked myself into emergency room
[34:37] and probably shouldn't have but I did
[34:40] and and I could have walked in here and
[34:42] Katie could have taken care of me.
[34:46] She wouldn't been able to do the surgery
[34:48] but she would have taken care of me and
[34:49] then set up the surgery because I had to
[34:50] have surgery. So yeah. Does that answer
[34:53] your question?
[34:54] >> Yes. I'm just trying to figure out how
[35:01] um trying to figure out and it's not my
[35:04] job to figure it out, but I'm just
[35:06] trying to understand how we grow the
[35:10] clinic big enough to take care of those
[35:13] types of things or if we will never be
[35:15] there.
[35:19] » I don't think we're ever going to be a
[35:22] trauma center like St. George Regional
[35:24] ever. they bypass hurricane emergency
[35:28] and go out to St. regional I think
[35:29] because of the level of I don't know
[35:33] >> so sometimes you go to hurricane
[35:35] >> so I mean I would love it if they
[35:37] brought their simple fractures to us but
[35:39] that's a conversation that
[35:42] um hasn't been had yet and I think they
[35:44] have liability and there's reasons why
[35:46] they would not do that but like I said I
[35:50] think
[35:51] this particular clinic if we were going
[35:53] to start taking every accident that came
[35:55] out of the park um we would need a lot
[36:00] we'd need a different kind of surgical
[36:01] space to be built so that we could take
[36:04] care of it and we'd have to hire
[36:05] appropriate staff which would be very
[36:08] expensive because a lot of that is
[36:10] physician only and you can have a um a
[36:13] nurse practitioner a PA assessed but
[36:16] they're not going to be doing a lot of
[36:17] that work that an ER doc does.
[36:20] So I don't anticipate that's where we're
[36:23] growing. What I think would be the way
[36:25] to help this is to help people who are
[36:28] going to the park to understand that if
[36:31] you have a sprain or [laughter]
[36:36] heat
[36:40] us and we can take care of that during
[36:42] our hours
[36:44] so which we see a lot of by the way we
[36:47] take care of a lot of heat we do IV
[36:49] therapy we we take care of a lot of
[36:52] abrasions we've set femur fractures um
[36:55] lower leg fractures we've had arm
[36:57] fractures lower arm and upper arm
[37:00] fractures. We've had sprained ankles and
[37:03] >> squirrel bites.
[37:05] >> It is electric bikes.
[37:06] >> Squirrel bites.
[37:07] >> Yeah, we love them. I'm just kidding.
[37:09] But um but we we see a lot of a lot of
[37:13] injury, particularly in the summer. Now,
[37:15] the local residents, we're seeing normal
[37:17] stuff like basic family practice stuff,
[37:21] but um because in our clinic in St.
[37:23] George, we don't do a lot of breaks. Um,
[37:26] I have Katie who does who's dual
[37:28] certified in emergency medicine. That's
[37:30] why she's here. And I'm in the process
[37:32] of hiring someone to help cover
[37:34] Springdale the two other days who also
[37:36] I'm looking for emergency medicine
[37:37] experience for that reason.
[37:42] » So, you are a community clinic.
[37:44] >> We're a community clinic and we want to
[37:46] take care of the community and and I
[37:48] like matching specialty with my
[37:50] providers to what's needed. So, um,
[37:54] yeah. And then I think the behavioral
[37:56] health question, I think such a great
[37:57] question. And some of the cool things
[38:00] about having behavioral health here is
[38:02] even if I have a behavioral health
[38:04] provider here, they have access to some
[38:06] really cool things with our St. George
[38:08] office. I have um I have a psych
[38:10] psychiatric nurse practitioner and a
[38:12] physician who are both um dual certified
[38:14] in addiction medicine. So if you have
[38:17] someone come in and they have
[38:18] alcoholism, they really know how to take
[38:20] care of that and how to help people not
[38:23] just get a medication and move on, but
[38:25] take really get to care. That's true for
[38:28] a lot of those kinds of things. And if
[38:30] um if you have dental pain right now,
[38:34] we've had some upheaval in our dental
[38:36] team, but I just stabilized it by hiring
[38:38] a provider that's been with us for three
[38:40] years, and he'll be with us for another,
[38:41] I hope, 10, 15 years. But if you have
[38:44] pain, dental pain is a big emergency
[38:46] thing, but we're working really hard to
[38:48] then say to someone, "Yeah, you're in
[38:49] Springdale and you have dental pain, but
[38:51] you can go to our clinic in St. George
[38:52] tomorrow and be seen rather than go to
[38:55] the ER because so much of that goes to
[38:56] the ER." And it's so much less expensive
[38:59] to come to a dent a dentist rather than
[39:02] going to the ER.
[39:04] So, we're trying hard to do the right
[39:08] thing all the time. And for me, for this
[39:11] whole thing with the town, and I'm just
[39:12] to be totally frank, it's not a we're
[39:15] not making money out here. Um, we're
[39:18] making we're making money, but I'm I'm
[39:20] definitely still right on the verge of
[39:22] being in the red and being out here. And
[39:24] I'm okay with that because we feel so
[39:27] strongly about taking care of the
[39:28] community. And we think that opening the
[39:30] pharmacy is going to help us move that
[39:32] into the being making money. That makes
[39:34] sense. But that's one of the reasons
[39:36] that ours are limited is to help us
[39:39] safeguard
[39:41] my obligation to keep our agency running
[39:45] um fiscally strong and not putting any
[39:48] of our company in jeopardy, but also
[39:50] continuing to provide services here. So,
[39:52] it's a balance and I I think we've
[39:55] struck a pretty good balance. The first
[39:56] year we were definitely lost money. We
[39:58] changed some staffing and we're
[40:00] definitely we're much closer to being um
[40:02] breaking even and we're we'll be we will
[40:05] be right there with pharmacy.
[40:10] » Thank you, Lori.
[40:11] >> Hey, appreciate it.
[40:16] » Okay. Um are there any community
[40:19] comments?
[40:22] If so, state your name and make your
[40:23] comments and please limit those to three
[40:26] minutes.
[40:28] Evening everyone. Lisa Zump Springdale.
[40:31] I have two comments. The first one is
[40:35] thank you so much for the Springdale
[40:38] reptax. We had Zarts had the talent show
[40:42] that we said was going to be happening
[40:44] from the raptax and it was last Friday.
[40:48] We it it
[40:49] >> Thursday, excuse me. Thank you, mayor.
[40:52] It was held in Rockville. We had over 70
[40:54] attendees
[40:55] um from all parts of the canyon, Virgin,
[40:58] Rockville, Springdale, and the National
[40:59] Park. The show included five children's
[41:01] acts with six children. So, we had one
[41:05] duo from Virgin, Rockville, and
[41:06] Springdale. And we had eight adult acts
[41:08] with 10 adults from Springdale,
[41:10] Rockville, Virgin, and Z National Park.
[41:13] The ma the judges were Mayor B Mayor's
[41:15] Berno and Krauss. Um, Mayor Leech was
[41:18] out of the country, so Michael Evansson
[41:20] sat in for her and they all they did a
[41:22] great job for us. So, I just want you to
[41:25] know that I think it was a really
[41:27] successful event. And one of my goals
[41:29] for this was to see how well we could
[41:32] really bring the community together and
[41:33] we had a great representation from both
[41:36] the LDS church and members and from the
[41:40] nonLDDS community. So, I I think it was
[41:42] just a a great all-around community.
[41:44] Thank you so much for that money. So,
[41:47] um, because there's no comment, uh,
[41:48] period for, uh, opportunity for section
[41:51] or item D1, the HR agreement for the new
[41:54] town manager, um, I want to just be on
[41:57] record. I support the decision of the
[41:58] town council and the contract
[42:00] compensation amount. Tom is going to do
[42:02] a great job and eventually I think that
[42:04] the town will still need to hire another
[42:06] person to cover the expansive number of
[42:08] responsibilities that Rick has taken
[42:10] over the past 20 years. If you hadn't
[42:13] offered the to the job to Tom, you'd
[42:15] probably have to hire three people to do
[42:17] this job. So, I'm just supporting the your vote on the contract tonight.
[42:21] So, thank you so much.
[42:23] >> You
[42:25] any other comments?
[42:28] Okay. And I would entertain a motion to
[42:31] approve the consent agenda, which is a
[42:33] review of the monthly purchasing report,
[42:35] reappoint of Heidi Lee to the Springdale
[42:38] Historic Preservation Commission, and
[42:40] resolution 2026-04,
[42:43] a resolution designating surplus town
[42:46] property and providing for sale or
[42:48] disposal.
[42:49] >> Move to approve the consent agenda.
[42:52] >> I'll second.
[42:53] >> Motion by Jack and second by Randy.
[42:55] >> Pat I.
[42:55] >> Randy,
[42:56] >> Barbry.
[42:57] Okay. The next item on the agenda is a
[43:00] public hearing uh for ordinance 2026-06,
[43:05] which was formerly 2025-20,
[43:07] amending chapter 10-7A of the town code
[43:11] by adding medical and dental clinics as
[43:13] permitted uses in the central
[43:15] commercial,
[43:17] village commercial, and public use
[43:19] zones. adding definitions of two types
[43:21] ofarmacies in section 1022 and
[43:24] potentially allowing pharmacies operated
[43:27] in conjunction with the medical clinic
[43:28] as permitted uses in the public use
[43:30] zone. The staff contact is Tom Danzy and
[43:34] we will be following the public hearing
[43:36] format on the back of the agenda. So
[43:38] we'll start with an introduction from
[43:41] Tom.
[43:43] >> Thank you mayor. Um this is a
[43:44] continuation of an item that you heard
[43:46] in January. Um, and as as you mentioned,
[43:49] mayor, the critical policy decisions
[43:51] that you'll be making tonight are to
[43:53] clarify where medical clinics in which
[43:56] zones medical clinics are um should be
[43:58] located in the town. Currently, we have
[44:00] a definition of what a medical clinic
[44:02] is, but the code does not specifically
[44:05] allow them in any zone. And so, your one policy decision tonight is to
[44:11] determine in which zones they should be
[44:13] allowed. as proposed in the ordinance.
[44:16] Um these would be allowed in the village
[44:18] commercial, central commercial, and
[44:20] public use zone.
[44:23] Um the second policy question that
[44:25] you'll need to consider tonight is um
[44:27] whether or not to allowies
[44:30] in the public use zone. Um pharmacies
[44:33] are currently drugstores andarmacies are
[44:35] currently allowed in the village in the
[44:36] village commercial and central
[44:38] commercial zones, but not in the public
[44:41] use zone. Um, this point was a a point
[44:44] of considerable discussion in your
[44:46] previous meeting whether or not to allow
[44:49] pharmacies in the public use zone and if
[44:52] so, what should the nature of
[44:54] thosearmacies be? Um, the uh general
[44:58] consensus was that if a pharmacy is
[45:00] allowed in the public use zone, it needs
[45:02] to be operated in conjunction with a
[45:05] clinic. Um but still what the nature of
[45:08] that relationship to the clinic should
[45:11] be was undetermined. Um particularly
[45:13] about who should the clientele of the
[45:16] pharmacy be. Should it be open to the
[45:18] general public or should it be only
[45:19] serve patients of the clinic and what
[45:23] types of services should the pharmacy
[45:25] offer? Should it only be prescription
[45:27] medicine or should it be um any kind of
[45:30] health related product like prescription
[45:32] or over-the-counter medicine or other
[45:34] health related supplies?
[45:36] Um, in response to your discussion in
[45:38] the in the last meeting, um, we've
[45:41] revised the proposed ordinance in a
[45:43] couple of ways. One is we've removed all
[45:46] references to drugstores from the
[45:49] ordinance. Um, drugstores, although not
[45:52] defined in our code, generally have a a
[45:56] um connotation that they're they're not
[45:59] only selling medicines, but other
[46:00] general retail items. And based on your
[46:02] dis discussion last night, it was clear
[46:04] that that was not your intent for
[46:06] pharmacies. So we removed drugstores
[46:08] from all mentioned in the code and
[46:11] included definitions of pharmacies, two
[46:13] types. One is a standalone pharmacy.
[46:16] These would be allowed in the village
[46:19] commercial and central commercial zones.
[46:21] These would be um um businesses or or
[46:24] establishments that provide any type of health related product. So
[46:29] prescription medication,
[46:31] over-the-counter medication, um, and
[46:33] other health related services like
[46:35] vaccinations or health screenings. So
[46:37] that's the proposed definition of a
[46:38] standalone pharmacy. And again, those
[46:40] are proposed to be located in the
[46:42] central commercial and village
[46:43] commercial zone as they already are.
[46:46] The um second part of of the definitions
[46:49] is a definition of what's called a
[46:51] pharmacy in conjunction and associated
[46:53] with a dental or medical clinic. And
[46:55] again, there's there's two options here
[46:57] for you to to choose from if you choose
[46:59] to allowies in the public use zone.
[47:02] Again, one is is much more um
[47:04] constrained in the services and
[47:06] clientele that can come to the pharmacy,
[47:08] only prescription medication and only
[47:10] serving patients of the clinic. The
[47:14] other is um more expansive. that would
[47:17] allow essentially the same types of
[47:19] services that a um standalone pharmacy
[47:22] would allow with the uh requirement that
[47:24] the pharmacy be operated in conjunction
[47:26] and housed in the same building as a medical clinic. So that if if you
[47:32] choose to go with that definition, the
[47:34] pharmacy in addition to prescription
[47:36] medication could also provide
[47:37] over-the-counter medication um
[47:39] vaccinations and those types of things
[47:41] and could serve both patients and
[47:43] non-patients of the clinic. So, those
[47:46] are the policy considerations for you to consider tonight. Um, just a a note
[47:53] that the current definition of clinic in
[47:56] the town code um contains a reference to
[47:59] an included pharmacy. So, if you decided
[48:02] to allow clinics in the public use zone
[48:05] but noties, we would need to amend that
[48:08] definition as well to avoid any kind of
[48:11] um conflict about whether or noties are
[48:13] allowed in the public use zone. Any
[48:16] questions?
[48:20] » Questions from council?
[48:22] Any question? Sorry.
[48:28] » In the deliberation. Okay. Um any
[48:31] >> question?
[48:32] >> Okay. Any any uh questions for
[48:36] clarification from the audience?
[48:39] Okay. Then I would I would entertain a
[48:42] motion to open public hearing.
[48:44] Make a motion to
[48:47] second
[48:48] >> motion by Pat. Motion by let's say or a
[48:51] second by Jack
[48:57] » Pat
[48:59] or Bri.
[49:01] >> Okay, we're in public hearing.
[49:08] » This is Springdale. Um the general plan
[49:13] contains several references supporting
[49:16] and encouraging enhanced medical service
[49:19] in the town which were noted in the
[49:21] January staff report. Um I ask that you
[49:24] allow the dental and medical clinics in
[49:26] the CC, VC and PU zones and allow
[49:30] pharmacies as an appropriate use in the
[49:33] PU zone which I believe is under option
[49:35] one. I believe that's the the correct
[49:38] option. any concerns regarding business
[49:41] clinical decisions such as will this
[49:43] pencil out. I think that should be left
[49:44] to the nonprofit to let them decide if
[49:46] they can make it or not. It's really not
[49:49] the town's business to decide who's
[49:52] going to make money or not. I think
[49:54] that's I don't think businesses are
[49:55] going to come in here and do whether
[49:56] it's a nonprofit or not are going to do
[49:58] it if they don't think they can make it.
[50:00] Um and so this also commits to a
[50:03] pharmacy to decide it's financially
[50:05] practical too. So, I think you want to
[50:08] give a little trust to these people who
[50:09] I think kind of know what they're
[50:10] talking about. These changes are going
[50:12] to support our community for the future
[50:14] and ensure that the town is compliant
[50:16] with its own ordinances. Thank you.
[50:21] » Any other comments?
[50:24] Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion to
[50:26] close the public hearing.
[50:28] >> Make a motion to close the public
[50:29] hearing.
[50:30] >> Second.
[50:30] >> Motion by Pat and second by Randy.
[50:33] >> Randy.
[50:34] >> Barbara.
[50:36] Okay. So, we're in deliberation.
[50:43] » Pat, I think you said you had some
[50:44] questions.
[50:46] >> Tom, I want to engage you in this
[50:48] conversation and maybe Lori can help out
[50:50] here. The the code we have
[50:55] that
[50:57] first of all doesn't doesn't have a a
[50:59] really good definition, I don't think,
[51:00] of what a pharmacy is, but the state
[51:03] code is fairly clear. what that is. Is
[51:06] there a reason why we don't use the
[51:07] state code definition for pharmacy?
[51:10] That's my first question
[51:13] and I can I can read it to you what it
[51:15] is and see what you think.
[51:18] Yeah. So, so there are many definitions
[51:20] of pharmacy. There's the state code
[51:21] definition of what a licensed pharmacy
[51:24] is. Other municipalities have different
[51:27] definitions. So, in crafting these
[51:29] definition and and you're right, Pat,
[51:31] the town code doesn't have any
[51:32] definition of pharmacy right now. Um so
[51:34] in crafting these different definitions
[51:36] I referenced all of those the state code
[51:39] um St. George city code other
[51:41] municipalities codes and tried to also
[51:44] respond to the feedback from the council
[51:46] in the last meeting. But if there's a
[51:48] better option certainly then then yeah
[51:50] there's there's we we should go with
[51:51] what option the council feels best for
[51:54] what a pharmacy is.
[51:56] >> I'll read it just for the rest of the
[51:58] council's edification. The state code is
[52:00] laid out in 5817B102.
[52:02] A pharmacy means any place and this
[52:05] doesn't conflict with what you're
[52:08] proposing. I just I'm suggesting this as
[52:09] maybe a clarification.
[52:12] >> Uh where drugs are dispenseed,
[52:13] pharmaceutical care is provided, drugs
[52:15] are processed, handled or for eventual
[52:17] use by a patient or drugs are used for
[52:19] the purpose of research, teaching,
[52:21] chemical analysis but not offered for
[52:22] sale or dispensing.
[52:24] That's the state code. The state also
[52:28] categorizes two different types of
[52:30] pharmacy and again the code you've
[52:33] crafted
[52:34] points to both of those
[52:37] where we say it's a standalone pharmacy
[52:39] state code calls it a class A pharmacy
[52:42] and that's a pharmacy that's located in
[52:44] Utah is authorized as a retail pharmacy
[52:46] to compound or dispense a drug or
[52:48] dispense a device to the public under
[52:50] prescription order and that would be I
[52:52] think you're called a standalone or your
[52:54] face front pharmacy. The state code also
[52:57] calls for a class B pharmacy, which
[52:59] means a pharmacy located in Utah
[53:02] authorized to provide pharmaceutical
[53:03] care for patients in an institutional
[53:05] setting and whose primary purpose is to
[53:08] provide a physical environment for
[53:09] patients to obtain health care services
[53:11] and includes closed door hospital clinic
[53:14] and pharmaceutical drugs. And the closed
[53:17] door
[53:18] is designed for an exclusive group of
[53:21] clinic patients. So what I'm suggesting
[53:25] obviously our decision is that we change
[53:28] the terms
[53:32] um
[53:33] pharmacy in conjunction with associated
[53:36] medical clinic and call that a class B
[53:38] and reference the state code and a
[53:41] pharmacy standalone would be a pharmacy
[53:43] A and reference the state code.
[53:46] I don't think it changes what you intend
[53:47] to do. It just puts us more in line with
[53:50] how the state code reads.
[53:52] So, how does that relate to
[53:55] uh pharmacies for patients only versus
[53:59] the general public? Which which would
[54:01] that be?
[54:01] >> Class Class A is your standalone open to
[54:05] the general public. A class B is for
[54:07] institutional patients, patients that
[54:09] are that are people that are patients of the medical clinic.
[54:16] I don't think it changes
[54:18] the definition all that much, but I
[54:21] think it I think it is more on point.
[54:23] Again, just my opinion.
[54:26] >> I think maybe it's broader than we want
[54:29] because I think after our conversation
[54:31] last meeting that we wanted to narrow it
[54:33] down more. I think the state the state
[54:35] definition might be a little broader
[54:37] than what we talked about. And I'm I'm
[54:40] open to broadening up, but I know that
[54:42] we talked about more what what we have
[54:45] here.
[54:47] >> And I think one of the big things that
[54:49] we talked about with this is that that
[54:53] pharmacy would be both
[54:57] uh business-wise and physically
[55:01] connected to the clinic. We wanted it in
[55:04] the clinic building. When I think of a
[55:06] standalone, I think of a separate
[55:09] building that that's open different
[55:12] hours etc. And and I what I like about
[55:15] the way we've kind of defined it here is
[55:18] that it is a pharmacy that is in
[55:21] conjunction and associated with the
[55:23] medical clinic meaning that the medical
[55:26] clinic is actually the one that has the
[55:30] control over pharmacys
[55:32] etc. When when I think about a
[55:33] standalone and and it's just my thought,
[55:37] it would be a whole different entity. It would be like if Walgreens came up
[55:41] here and put a pharmacy there
[55:43] >> and didn't have anything to do with the
[55:44] clinic.
[55:44] >> That's what the state
[55:45] >> and that's a class A, right?
[55:48] >> Class B provides pharmaceutical care for
[55:50] patients in an institutional setting,
[55:52] which means part of the clinic. in the
[55:56] only dispute I have is where you say it
[55:57] has to be using connection or associated
[56:00] with
[56:02] um housed in the same building I I get
[56:04] that I mean it I guess it gets to the
[56:06] same point but I think aligning it more
[56:09] with how the state code reads I don't
[56:10] think I don't think it changes it much
[56:12] maybe it does but I don't think it does
[56:14] and again just a suggestion
[56:15] >> so Pat which the the class B and the
[56:18] state code which of these definitions do
[56:20] you think it's closest to
[56:23] you you read it to us. But
[56:25] >> the standalone would be your class A. I
[56:27] think the only thing the class A adds
[56:30] um it says it's authorized as a retail
[56:32] pharmacy, which I what I think the
[56:34] standalone is. It doesn't say that
[56:36] there, but that's what standalone means,
[56:38] right? Well, [snorts and clears throat]
[56:41] retail pharmacy.
[56:43] >> No.
[56:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. and and um
[56:48] and so um
[56:52] you know if if we were to allow
[56:55] standaloneies in village commercial and
[56:58] center commercial
[57:01] I I have no problem with that
[57:04] >> to have a standalone not in conjunction
[57:07] with the uh with the medical clinic in a
[57:11] public use zone
[57:14] I Yes, I would have a problem with that.
[57:16] And and I think the feedback that we
[57:18] have been getting from our residents are
[57:21] that
[57:24] they I think they would consider that a
[57:26] commercial establishment,
[57:27] >> right? and and and I think what our
[57:31] intent is with this pharmacy
[57:34] and [clears throat] with with citing
[57:36] anything in the public use zone is that
[57:40] it doesn't in any way come into that re
[57:45] what most people would consider a retail
[57:48] pharmacy
[57:51] you know that's just the way I'm
[57:53] thinking about it and that's the way I
[57:55] have been thinking about it in terms of
[57:58] a pharmacy on on public use property
[58:02] >> place though like
[58:06] >> as it relates to public use zone I think
[58:09] it should be a pharmacy in conjunction
[58:12] with a medical clinic
[58:14] >> exactly that's what I'm saying
[58:15] >> however I think that if there is a
[58:18] pharmacy need for the general public
[58:22] they should be able to access that
[58:24] pharmacy
[58:26] >> and and I totally agree with that and
[58:28] that was that is the one concern I have
[58:31] with the way we've kind of uh worded
[58:35] this right now is I'm
[58:39] uh
[58:41] I would like
[58:43] the general public to be able So when I
[58:47] think about that I think about tourists
[58:50] that are coming as Lori was talking
[58:53] about to
[58:55] um
[58:56] to design Z National Park and they need
[59:01] a prescription refilled. That's what I
[59:04] think about is general public and
[59:07] um
[59:08] >> and then Lor's kind of
[59:11] >> answer
[59:13] will you go to the
[59:17] » our clinic in St. George is a which you
[59:20] have put up there as a standalone but is
[59:23] inside our clinic.
[59:25] So it allows us to serve our patients as
[59:28] well as the general population.
[59:30] >> What zone? What zone is it in?
[59:32] >> What zone?
[59:34] It's
[59:34] >> Is it a public use zone?
[59:36] >> So you would that's not I'm not I'm just
[59:38] saying it's a pharmacy. So in the
[59:40] pharmacy sense of
[59:43] um can it be a class A or a class B? a
[59:47] class A or class B can be in my clinic.
[59:50] That's what I'm trying to say. So, are
[59:52] you trying to say what you want in the
[59:54] zone or
[59:56] >> you're saying that that our our case is
[59:58] different than your clinic in?
[59:59] >> Sure.
[1:00:00] >> In the case that it's in a public use
[1:00:02] zone, but the use of the definition.
[1:00:05] So what you have there would mean that
[1:00:07] no one in your community who's not our
[1:00:09] patient could use the pharmacy
[1:00:12] or a Zion National Park couldn't you
[1:00:16] know someone who's a visitor couldn't
[1:00:17] >> I think
[1:00:19] >> that's one of them
[1:00:21] >> can I just clarify can I just clarify
[1:00:23] how I've structured this ordinance
[1:00:24] because I I think it's a little bit
[1:00:26] confusing I apologize so there's there's
[1:00:29] three different displayed on the screen
[1:00:30] right now there are three different
[1:00:32] definitions but there's actually only
[1:00:33] two so these refers to pharmacy in
[1:00:36] conjunction and associated with a met
[1:00:38] with a dental or medical clinic and then
[1:00:40] pharmacy in conjunction and associated
[1:00:42] with a dental or medical. These are two different options for the
[1:00:45] same definition.
[1:00:47] One of them would allow the general
[1:00:49] public to visit,
[1:00:52] one of them would not. Um, so this first
[1:00:56] one here says, hey, a pharmacy in
[1:01:00] conjunction and associated with a dental
[1:01:01] or medical clinic is essentially
[1:01:03] offering the same thing that you're
[1:01:05] going to get in a standalone pharmacy
[1:01:08] that is offering services to the general
[1:01:10] public. It just needs to be in the same
[1:01:12] building as a medical or dental clinic
[1:01:14] and and operated in conjunction. So if you want the general public to be
[1:01:18] able to visit the pharmacy, this is the
[1:01:21] definition that you would want to
[1:01:22] choose. If you don't want the
[1:01:24] definition, the general public to visit
[1:01:27] a pharmacy in the public use zone, you
[1:01:29] would choose this second definition
[1:01:32] because this one says that you only
[1:01:35] providing um pharmaceutical
[1:01:38] drugs. So, you have to have a you have
[1:01:39] to have a prescription um and only to
[1:01:41] the patients of the dental or medical
[1:01:43] clinic and it's limited to dispensing of
[1:01:46] prescription medication. So, if you only
[1:01:48] want prescription medication and you
[1:01:50] only want patients of the clinic, you
[1:01:51] would choose the second definition.
[1:01:53] Right. Does that make sense?
[1:01:55] >> Yeah. Um and and that was kind of the
[1:01:58] crux of it last time. And I think Lisa
[1:02:00] had said she supports number one. I
[1:02:03] especially after hearing Lor's
[1:02:05] presentation feel like
[1:02:08] it's it's better for them and for us and
[1:02:12] our visitors to have that first
[1:02:14] definition that gives a little leeway.
[1:02:16] So So you don't have to be a patient.
[1:02:19] So, I like definition number one in the
[1:02:22] public use zone.
[1:02:23] >> And Tom, I um you know, I know that one
[1:02:27] of the stumbling blocks
[1:02:30] with all of this for some council
[1:02:33] members and for the public is just this
[1:02:37] public use zone and and it's like the
[1:02:41] question went to Lori, what's public use
[1:02:43] in or what's the use zone in what's it
[1:02:45] owned in St. George? So, and I talked to
[1:02:48] Tom about this earlier today and I know
[1:02:50] this uh this is an issue and I don't
[1:02:52] know what uh were you able to find
[1:02:55] anything in the state just in general
[1:02:58] how other municipalities and and
[1:03:01] counties have kind of covered this uh
[1:03:04] with their zoning.
[1:03:06] >> Yeah. So, so Randy called this morning
[1:03:08] and and asked me to do this research.
[1:03:10] And just in general, I'll I'll preface
[1:03:12] this by saying that the state
[1:03:14] legislature has delegated to individual
[1:03:18] municipalities legislative control over
[1:03:21] zoning. So, you are not bound by
[1:03:24] anything in the state code or anything
[1:03:27] that another municipality does with how
[1:03:30] you set up your own zoning in your
[1:03:33] community. You get to choose what goes
[1:03:36] into each zone specific to the needs and
[1:03:40] circumstances of your community.
[1:03:43] Having said that, Randy said, "Well,
[1:03:45] what do other communities do?" So, so I
[1:03:47] looked um and um St. uh the public use
[1:03:51] zone actually is is kind of unique to
[1:03:53] Springdale. Um St. George does not have
[1:03:56] a public use zone. They have something
[1:03:58] called an administrative professional
[1:04:00] zone which allows public uses. That's
[1:04:03] where all the government um facilities
[1:04:05] in St. George are located, but it also
[1:04:06] allows hospitals, medical labs, medical
[1:04:08] offices, andarmacies.
[1:04:11] Um Washington is similar. They don't
[1:04:12] have a public use zone. They have the
[1:04:14] same administrative and professional
[1:04:15] zone, which again allows medical
[1:04:17] offices. Um they don't have they don't
[1:04:21] mention pharmacy a traditional pharmacy
[1:04:24] at all but strangely enough they do
[1:04:26] allow a medical cannabis pharmacy in
[1:04:28] their administrative and professional
[1:04:30] zone which is kind of their equivalent
[1:04:31] of the public use zone.
[1:04:35] Um in that same zone however they also
[1:04:37] offer offer um allow banks and food
[1:04:39] trucks in that what their version of the
[1:04:41] public use zone. Um Cedar City does not
[1:04:45] have a public use zone. They allow
[1:04:47] medical clinics as a conditional use in
[1:04:48] their residential zones. Um, Hurricane
[1:04:51] has something called the public
[1:04:52] facilities zone which allows hospitals,
[1:04:55] medical or dental laboratories. It also
[1:04:58] in their public facility uh zone allows
[1:05:01] funeral homes and reception centers. Um
[1:05:04] the uh Park City has something called a
[1:05:07] public use transition zone that allows
[1:05:09] again their government services, but it
[1:05:11] also allows things like food trucks,
[1:05:13] liquor stores, commercial retail,
[1:05:15] restaurant, and quasi public uses. So
[1:05:18] the the takeaway is I I hope you're
[1:05:20] getting is that there there is no
[1:05:23] uniformity in in the state in other
[1:05:25] municipalities about
[1:05:28] are clinics an appropriate use in quote
[1:05:30] unquote or pharmacies an appropriate use
[1:05:32] quote unquote in the public use zone.
[1:05:34] That's because the state has delegated
[1:05:35] that decision to you. You get to make
[1:05:37] that decision whether or not that's
[1:05:38] appropriate spring or not. But but it
[1:05:41] sounds like
[1:05:43] um generally
[1:05:45] even though a public use zone is maybe
[1:05:47] unique to us, it sounds like similar
[1:05:49] zones in other cities allow this.
[1:05:51] >> Correct.
[1:05:52] >> Yeah. And that that was the point of I
[1:05:55] wanted to to make with this question and Tom's
[1:06:00] uh it we're not we're not breaking the
[1:06:03] mold here. We're not allowing something
[1:06:05] that's really out of the ordinary with
[1:06:08] anybody else. We we kind of have a
[1:06:10] unique zone in the way we have defined
[1:06:13] it. Uh but the other municipalities
[1:06:18] in
[1:06:20] zones that they
[1:06:22] have sort of made public use, they allow
[1:06:27] things like hospitals and in medical
[1:06:29] clinic andarmacies. So, we're not we're
[1:06:32] not really going way out of bounds on
[1:06:35] this and we're not doing something
[1:06:36] that's uh really I think inconsistent
[1:06:40] with the intent and with uh what the town councils who
[1:06:48] established this public zone uh public
[1:06:51] use zone
[1:06:52] >> might have had in mind.
[1:06:53] >> I've got the definition of the public
[1:06:55] use zone in front of me. May I read it
[1:06:58] before you go ahead? The public use zone
[1:07:00] is established to provide for the
[1:07:02] location and establishment of public and
[1:07:04] quasi public facilities.
[1:07:07] >> That simple.
[1:07:10] >> And to Lor's credit, the fact that this
[1:07:13] is a nonprofit
[1:07:16] uh quasi public perhaps medical clinic.
[1:07:20] We I think we and I agreed that we
[1:07:23] established that that would be okay on
[1:07:26] public use land because it is this kind
[1:07:28] of nonprofit organization. Uh
[1:07:30] hypothetically, what if an independent
[1:07:33] organization came in uh so Utah
[1:07:36] emergency physicians came in and said,
[1:07:38] "We'd like to put a clinic right next to
[1:07:40] Lor's clinic, uh but we are a for-profit
[1:07:43] organization." Would that would that rub
[1:07:45] us the wrong way? That would still be
[1:07:48] okay. Well, let's let me kind of
[1:07:52] >> go back again. Yeah. And I I know what
[1:07:55] you're saying
[1:07:55] >> and I I'm going to try to answer your
[1:07:58] question. Um
[1:07:59] >> there's a way out of this. Go ahead.
[1:08:01] >> Yeah. I I think that, you know, when I think about a medical clinic and right now, you know, Family
[1:08:10] Healthcare obviously is nonprofit and
[1:08:12] it's it really
[1:08:16] I think makes a case for a medical
[1:08:18] clinic here, but uh I also I'm I'm just
[1:08:22] thinking in general uh a medical clinic
[1:08:27] in in our town, especially with the Zion
[1:08:29] National Park being so
[1:08:32] I think is a good public use
[1:08:36] uh for us whether it was a a retail or
[1:08:41] not. And you know in the research that
[1:08:43] Tom has done.
[1:08:45] I mean in in their administrative zones
[1:08:48] which sort of corresponds in a lot of
[1:08:51] ways to our public use zone. They allow
[1:08:55] a lot more than and they would allow a
[1:08:58] for-profit medical clinic to come in. So
[1:09:02] that's what I'm going to your answer.
[1:09:04] I'm not to answer your specific
[1:09:07] question. I think it's a good idea to
[1:09:09] have No, I don't think it would be a
[1:09:11] good idea to have two a nonprofit and a
[1:09:13] medical clinic right next to each other.
[1:09:16] I think that would be horrible. I think
[1:09:18] uh since it's a legislative decision, I
[1:09:20] think the town
[1:09:22] would not be obligated to let them do
[1:09:25] that to come in and do that. But for
[1:09:27] instance, if Family Healthcare in 10
[1:09:29] years decided uh that they wanted to
[1:09:33] they couldn't do it up here anymore and
[1:09:35] a for profits came in and said we'll run
[1:09:38] your medical clinic. I think we should
[1:09:40] let them do that. So that that that's
[1:09:44] I I think a medical clinic is a uh is a
[1:09:49] good public service to this community.
[1:09:53] >> Vision on this. What I was going to
[1:09:54] suggest is in the permitted use table
[1:09:58] talks about clinic parenthetically
[1:10:00] dental and medical uh permitted use in
[1:10:03] the public use zone. Is there any
[1:10:06] appetite to put a separate line for
[1:10:09] clinics dental and medical that are not
[1:10:11] that are for-profit organizations or is
[1:10:14] we okay?
[1:10:14] >> I don't think this thing really says
[1:10:16] anything about forprofit or nonprofit
[1:10:18] and and I didn't want to make that
[1:10:21] >> that distinction. I wanted to make it a
[1:10:24] medical clinic and right now we're we're
[1:10:27] fortunate to have a nonprofit
[1:10:29] who wants to run this medical clinic.
[1:10:31] But I think
[1:10:32] >> I don't think that we should make
[1:10:34] personally I don't think we should make
[1:10:36] that distinction.
[1:10:37] >> We don't want an empty building. We we
[1:10:40] want a medical clinic whether it's and
[1:10:42] we hope to get a long-term lease with
[1:10:44] Family Healthcare, but I think we want a
[1:10:47] medical clinic in Springdale. We want it
[1:10:49] to take care of our our residents
[1:10:52] and we need to allow a pharmacy for them
[1:10:56] to even make a go of it and otherwise
[1:10:58] we're driving downhill even though we go
[1:11:00] to the doctor here. So, I think the
[1:11:03] issue is do we want to allow medical
[1:11:05] clinics in the public use zone? we seem
[1:11:07] to be headed that way. And then also I
[1:11:10] think I think the first definition of
[1:11:13] pharmacy which is not allowing for a
[1:11:16] Walgreens or a retail pharmacy that's
[1:11:18] selling stuffed animals and stuff. But I
[1:11:21] think that's what we talked about at the
[1:11:23] last meeting and I'm I would be
[1:11:25] comfortable with the the very first
[1:11:26] definition if
[1:11:27] >> and I definitely
[1:11:28] >> others would I think that uh
[1:11:32] that because we are next to a national
[1:11:35] park if it if we were a small community
[1:11:38] a community that was isolated we didn't
[1:11:40] have national park there then maybe I
[1:11:43] think the second would be more
[1:11:45] appropriate but the fact that we're next
[1:11:48] to this national park had that any
[1:11:50] visitors coming in. Uh I I think it
[1:11:53] would be
[1:11:56] I don't think it would be a a good
[1:11:59] decision executive decision to limit it
[1:12:02] to the second definition. I think the
[1:12:05] first definition my opinion would be the
[1:12:08] appropriate one for for the pharmacy.
[1:12:10] And I think because we're unique, we're
[1:12:13] an extra national park with 5 millionish
[1:12:15] visitors,
[1:12:17] we're not likely to get a medical clinic
[1:12:19] anywhere except a public use zone. You
[1:12:22] know, for someone to be able to come in
[1:12:24] and afford to buy commercial property
[1:12:27] and build a building and and make a go
[1:12:29] of it here, I think is unlikely. So, it
[1:12:31] is a public service. It is benefiting
[1:12:33] our residents. And if it benefits
[1:12:35] visitors, too, that's fine. They're helping us to support a medical
[1:12:39] clinic and I I think we're I think we're
[1:12:43] in a good place with the pharmacy
[1:12:45] definition.
[1:12:46] >> I think and and Randy, I'm glad you
[1:12:47] asked the question this morning. Tom,
[1:12:50] your
[1:12:51] um information for me was very helpful
[1:12:54] because I got to tell you and I'm sure
[1:12:55] you all know I was very on the fence
[1:12:57] about this. Um, but the fact that there
[1:13:00] are other towns and we're not going to
[1:13:03] be a an outlier by doing something like
[1:13:06] this. It's not like we're going to be
[1:13:08] the black sheep of Utah by doing this.
[1:13:11] It sounds like other places do it. They
[1:13:12] don't call it a public use zone, but for
[1:13:14] all intents and purposes, that's what it
[1:13:15] is.
[1:13:17] >> So, thanks for asking that question. So,
[1:13:19] I guess the question I have on the first
[1:13:21] definition, since it doesn't state who
[1:13:24] it serves, is it implied it's for the
[1:13:27] general public?
[1:13:29] >> Yes.
[1:13:33] >> But it, you know, specifically operated
[1:13:35] in conjunction with the medical clinic.
[1:13:37] So, they couldn't they couldn't lease
[1:13:39] that space out to someone else. It' be
[1:13:41] it's got to be part of the clinic. So, the only other thing I I I would ask
[1:13:44] and I'm not trying to be a pain here,
[1:13:45] but do we need to define pharmacy?
[1:13:50] I mean, it's defined in the in the
[1:13:52] bottom one there a little bit, but we
[1:13:54] say a pharmacy in conjunction with, but
[1:13:57] what's a pharmacy? So, is it worth just
[1:13:59] putting something in that says this is
[1:14:00] what a pharmacy is?
[1:14:02] >> Yeah. And that that's a good point.
[1:14:04] That's what I tried to do, but if it if
[1:14:05] it can be clarified, that's we we we can
[1:14:08] make it more clear. So this bottom
[1:14:10] definition here is is pharmacy
[1:14:12] standalone.
[1:14:13] >> So would that be tied to the first
[1:14:15] paragraph?
[1:14:16] >> Uhuh. So So this says this is a business
[1:14:18] that provides these pharmaceutical ser
[1:14:19] services yada yada yada. And then this
[1:14:22] top one that the council is leaning
[1:14:24] towards for the public use zone says an
[1:14:28] establishment providing the same
[1:14:29] services as a standalone pharmacy. So
[1:14:32] you're tying the standalone pharmacy
[1:14:34] third paragraph with the first paragraph
[1:14:36] >> with the condition that it's operated in
[1:14:38] conjunction with and is under the
[1:14:39] administration of and housed in the same
[1:14:41] building as a dental or medical
[1:14:42] building.
[1:14:42] >> Um you think of everything.
[1:14:44] >> Yeah. So it is incorporated into that
[1:14:46] first one by saying
[1:14:47] >> middle part's gone. Everything crunches
[1:14:48] together. It's all good.
[1:14:50] >> Correct.
[1:14:51] >> So the the first definition will be
[1:14:54] public use and the and the last
[1:14:56] definition will be central and village
[1:14:58] commercial. Right.
[1:14:59] >> Correct. the first definition of what a
[1:15:02] pharmacy.
[1:15:03] >> Are we prepared to make a motion?
[1:15:17] » Do these definitions need to be part of
[1:15:19] the motion?
[1:15:20] >> Yes. Thank you. You you should clarify
[1:15:22] that you're using the first definition
[1:15:24] of uh pharmacy in conjunction and
[1:15:27] associated with a medical clinic, not
[1:15:29] the second proposed definition.
[1:15:35] » I can take a shot if
[1:15:38] >> that'd be great, Randy. We can add to it
[1:15:40] if we Yeah. Like we need to
[1:15:43] >> edit.
[1:15:45] Uh, I move we approve ordinance 2026
[1:15:50] amending chapter 10-7A
[1:15:53] of the town code by adding medical
[1:15:56] clinic and dentical clinic has permitted
[1:15:59] uses in the central commercial, village
[1:16:02] commercial and public use zones.
[1:16:04] adding definitions
[1:16:08] of the pharmacy.
[1:16:11] um
[1:16:14] to be a pharmacy operating in
[1:16:17] conjunction
[1:16:22] and associated with a dental dental or
[1:16:24] medical clinic and establishing
[1:16:28] an establishment that provides the same
[1:16:31] services at a st as a standalone
[1:16:34] pharmacy and which is operated in
[1:16:36] conjunction with and is under the
[1:16:39] administration of and is housed in the
[1:16:42] same building in the same building as
[1:16:44] the dental and medical clinic.
[1:16:48] >> So, Randy, did you reference amending
[1:16:50] chapter 10-2?
[1:16:53] >> Uh, I thought 10-7.
[1:16:56] >> Okay. In
[1:16:58] that we uh No, I did not. And that we
[1:17:02] amend section 10-2-2
[1:17:06] to that definition of a pharmacy.
[1:17:10] What else do we need, Tom?
[1:17:13] >> Please, Tom. [laughter]
[1:17:16] >> Um, that's great. Um
[1:17:19] it it for clarity and ju just so nothing
[1:17:22] gets just so you're not trying to to
[1:17:24] like put the verbatim definition of the verbatim of the definition in the
[1:17:30] motion. You might just want to say we
[1:17:31] adopt the ordinance as proposed with the
[1:17:36] first definition of pharmacy
[1:17:40] uh in conjunction with and associate
[1:17:42] with a dental or medical clinic in the
[1:17:43] staff report and not the second
[1:17:45] definition. That way everything else is clear and and it's there's not a
[1:17:51] question about well did they adopt this
[1:17:52] part or not that part and but you're
[1:17:54] just saying yes we adopted as proposed
[1:17:56] with the clarification that it's that
[1:17:57] first definition of this of the
[1:18:00] >> pharmacy in conjunction with the medical
[1:18:02] clinic that we're
[1:18:03] [cough and clears throat]
[1:18:04] >> Does that make sense?
[1:18:05] >> Yes it does. And uh instead of reading
[1:18:08] all that should have done that
[1:18:16] [laughter]
[1:18:22] » for a second or are you adding
[1:18:24] something?
[1:18:25] >> Well, can we use your clarification,
[1:18:27] Tom, or do we need to
[1:18:29] >> use Tom's clarification?
[1:18:30] >> Can we do that or do we need to make
[1:18:32] that motion?
[1:18:36] I don't want anything to say. [laughter]
[1:18:39] >> Um the the verdict the clerk is if that
[1:18:42] as I've um stated that if that is
[1:18:46] acceptable to you Randy as a as a
[1:18:48] substitute for your motion that you
[1:18:49] could say yes that's acceptable and then
[1:18:51] vote.
[1:18:53] >> That is acceptable to me.
[1:18:55] >> Okay. Do we have a second?
[1:18:56] >> Second.
[1:18:57] >> Got a motion by Randy and a second by
[1:18:59] Jack
[1:18:59] >> and I.
[1:19:00] >> Randy I
[1:19:01] >> Barbara I
[1:19:02] >> Jack. Okay. Next item on the agenda is
[1:19:06] ordinance 2026-02
[1:19:09] amending chapter 10-24-7
[1:19:12] of the town code regarding banner
[1:19:14] permits by adding additional permit
[1:19:16] requirements, general standards, and
[1:19:18] allowing banners in the public use zone.
[1:19:20] And this is Kendall Sagers.
[1:19:23] >> Yes, thank you. So, as you know, we
[1:19:26] brought this to you in your last town
[1:19:28] council meeting on February 11th, 2026.
[1:19:31] And just for that quick recap again, the
[1:19:34] permits, the banner permit standards are
[1:19:36] found in section 10-24-7
[1:19:38] of the town code. These proposed
[1:19:41] revisions enhance the clarity,
[1:19:42] efficiency, safety standards, and expand
[1:19:45] the range of allowed zones. The proposed
[1:19:47] changes changes will allow for banners
[1:19:50] to be placed in the village commercial,
[1:19:52] central commercial, and the public use
[1:19:53] zone. We propose changes and additions
[1:19:56] to the permit requirements, permit
[1:19:58] application review, and the general
[1:20:00] standards. During the planning
[1:20:02] commission meeting held on January 21st,
[1:20:04] 2026, the commission added the allowance
[1:20:07] on the number of banners allowed in the
[1:20:08] public use zone from four banners to 12
[1:20:11] banners. During the town council meeting
[1:20:13] on the February 11th meeting, the
[1:20:16] council proposed further adding the
[1:20:17] allowance of three banners at a time on
[1:20:20] a property within the public use zone.
[1:20:23] From the last meeting, we also cleaned
[1:20:25] up some of the language. We had the
[1:20:27] interchanging shall and must. So, we
[1:20:30] cleaned that up per your request. Um, so
[1:20:34] the town council should review the
[1:20:35] proposed ordinance revisions.
[1:20:41] » I think he captured everything we talked
[1:20:43] about. What do you think, Pat? Randy
[1:20:46] Jack.
[1:20:46] >> Yes, indeed.
[1:20:48] So, thank you for revising that per
[1:20:50] request and I'll look for a motion.
[1:21:00] Town Council has reviewed uh
[1:21:03] ordinance 2026-2
[1:21:05] revisions to title 104 town code allowed
[1:21:09] zones application process and standards
[1:21:13] and authorizes the mayor to sign.
[1:21:17] >> I'll second
[1:21:18] >> motion by Pat, second by Randy.
[1:21:21] >> Randy,
[1:21:22] >> Barbara.
[1:21:24] Okay. Next item is ordinance 2026-07
[1:21:28] changes to section 9-1-4 of the town
[1:21:31] code regarding the storage location of
[1:21:34] the physical copy of the state
[1:21:36] construction code. And I see that Nyall
[1:21:38] is not here. So Tom, do you want to
[1:21:40] handle that one?
[1:21:41] >> I will. And Nile left me with like
[1:21:43] probably the most weighty policy
[1:21:45] decision you're going to be making.
[1:21:46] [laughter]
[1:21:48] This ordinance has to do with where we
[1:21:49] keep the physical copy of the town of
[1:21:51] the of the um building code.
[1:21:54] >> Maybe we should schedule a tour.
[1:21:56] [laughter]
[1:21:58] >> Currently the
[1:21:58] >> How much room does this thing take?
[1:22:01] >> Is it like a
[1:22:03] >> Oh, massive.
[1:22:04] >> Massive. Um and currently it says it has
[1:22:07] to be in the clerk's office. We think
[1:22:09] it's actually we want the flexibility to
[1:22:11] put it in the community development
[1:22:12] office if we want. So, we're just
[1:22:14] changing the the the wording from office
[1:22:16] of the town clerk to the town hall.
[1:22:20] >> I'm just check
[1:22:23] the state come down and check on this.
[1:22:25] People could
[1:22:26] >> if it was specifically brought up in a
[1:22:28] building inspector training that Zach
[1:22:29] would
[1:22:30] >> No kidding.
[1:22:31] >> We We would never have changed it if if
[1:22:33] Zach hadn't gone to a training and this particular point came up and so we
[1:22:37] said we we should probably clarify that.
[1:22:40] I'm just wondering why the clerk is
[1:22:44] objecting to something like that. I
[1:22:45] mean, it would be good for her to put
[1:22:47] her feet on if she wanted to.
[1:22:50] >> Tom, is there an electronic link to this
[1:22:53] available?
[1:22:55] >> Um, so there is an electronic link. This
[1:22:59] um these are codes published by the
[1:23:01] International Code Council and you can
[1:23:04] get them, but in order to really get get
[1:23:07] them in depth, you have to pay a
[1:23:08] subscription to them.
[1:23:09] Um, and so there is a requirement that
[1:23:11] we have a physical copy in the town hall
[1:23:13] in case somebody wants to come and and
[1:23:15] look at them.
[1:23:19] » Really struggling with approving this
[1:23:21] one.
[1:23:22] >> Somebody have a motion.
[1:23:31] Town Council has reviewed and approves
[1:23:32] Ordinance 2026-07,
[1:23:36] an ordinance revising the town's
[1:23:38] regulations for storing the town's copy
[1:23:40] of the International Building Code
[1:23:43] by changing the specified storage
[1:23:45] location from the office of the town
[1:23:46] clerk to the town hall. Generally, it
[1:23:48] authorizes the mayor sign.
[1:23:51] >> I'll second motion by pass, second by
[1:23:54] Randy.
[1:23:54] >> I bar.
[1:23:58] Okay,
[1:24:00] next item is selection of ParkPlace
[1:24:02] Residential doing business as AR Arcilla
[1:24:06] Archilla Arcilla Arcia Ridge LLC as a
[1:24:10] town housing development partner for
[1:24:12] workforce housing units on parcel
[1:24:14] S-100-Z
[1:24:16] located at the end of Trapper Circle.
[1:24:19] The staff contact is Tom Danzy and we
[1:24:21] have we have Kyle if we have questions
[1:24:23] for him. Um
[1:24:25] >> thank you, mayor. Um so as the council
[1:24:28] is aware, we recently issued a request
[1:24:31] for proposals to um find a partner to
[1:24:35] help us with development of the
[1:24:36] workforce housing on the Trapper Circle
[1:24:40] property. This has been a project that
[1:24:41] the town's been contemplating for some
[1:24:43] time. Um and we've we've investigated
[1:24:45] several different um housing partners to
[1:24:48] help us with that project. We ultimately
[1:24:50] issued an RFP to select the the most um
[1:24:54] qualified
[1:24:55] uh partner and as a result of that RF
[1:24:58] RFP process, we've um decided to
[1:25:00] recommend Parkplace Residential.
[1:25:03] Parkplace is um a a firm that has
[1:25:06] extensive re extensive experience in
[1:25:09] property management um as well as
[1:25:11] property development. They come highly
[1:25:13] recommended. The housing committee met
[1:25:16] with them several times um to go over
[1:25:19] their proposal and to to ask them
[1:25:22] questions. We also vetted them with
[1:25:24] references um the and and spoke to to
[1:25:27] folks who have worked with them in the
[1:25:28] past. Um based on all of that, the
[1:25:31] housing committee is highly um confident
[1:25:34] in in Parkplace and so we are
[1:25:37] recommending that the town formally
[1:25:39] appoint ParkPlace to be our housing
[1:25:41] partner. they are going going to be
[1:25:42] doing business under a business entity
[1:25:44] AR arca ridge
[1:25:49] um and so although they submitted their
[1:25:52] proposal parkplace
[1:25:55] residential and that's their parent
[1:25:56] company the actual development entity
[1:25:58] that will be doing the trapper circle
[1:26:00] project will be Arcia Ridge so what we
[1:26:03] what we'd ask you to do tonight is to
[1:26:05] formally appoint um ParkPlace doing
[1:26:08] business as Arcia Ridge as the town's
[1:26:10] housing provider
[1:26:11] We have included for your reference an
[1:26:15] outline of a um agreement between the
[1:26:18] town and RCA Ridge that will outline
[1:26:20] just kind of the roles and
[1:26:22] responsibilities. You do not need to
[1:26:24] approve that. In fact, you should not
[1:26:25] approve that at this point because it is purely draft, but we would appreciate
[1:26:29] any feedback you have on the content. If
[1:26:31] there are things that you see in that you would um like to question or
[1:26:35] you'd like to give feedback or direction
[1:26:36] on, please do so. Um and then we will
[1:26:39] bring back a fully
[1:26:40] developed and legal agreement for the
[1:26:44] council to approve in the April meeting.
[1:26:46] So again, tonight's action is just
[1:26:47] formally appointing Parkplace and then
[1:26:50] informally giving any feedback on the
[1:26:52] draft outline of the agreement.
[1:26:55] >> I got to say, now mayor, you're on that
[1:26:56] committee. Yes. As as is Kyla and Tom
[1:26:59] also. Um you guys did an exceptional job
[1:27:03] on this, I think. I mean, that that
[1:27:05] proposal is really well done in my
[1:27:07] opinion.
[1:27:10] And if we have any questions for Kyle,
[1:27:14] >> does anyone want to ask Kyle question?
[1:27:16] >> I I have questions
[1:27:18] >> for Kyle
[1:27:19] >> or for Tom.
[1:27:20] >> Well, I think both.
[1:27:22] >> Kyle, would you mind stepping up to the
[1:27:24] microphone and state your name and we'll
[1:27:26] just if if whatever questions come your
[1:27:28] way, answer those.
[1:27:29] >> Okay. Kyle Arbazoo, Parkplace
[1:27:31] Residential.
[1:27:32] >> So, I guess the one thing that I was
[1:27:34] kind of picking up on is like each unit
[1:27:36] is 660 square feet.
[1:27:39] And it could house up to four people.
[1:27:44] >> It is um technically three because it
[1:27:48] would be two plus one is general HUD
[1:27:50] standard. So it' be two two people per
[1:27:52] bedroom plus one for living space. As we
[1:27:54] have looked at it there, we may amend
[1:27:57] the plan just a hair as we've kind of
[1:27:59] continued refining it more to make it
[1:28:01] better. So, we had that extra deep
[1:28:03] storage space and in discussion with one
[1:28:06] of our other developer clients, the
[1:28:08] suggestion was made, why not make that
[1:28:10] interior space because we're already
[1:28:11] building it anyways and so it's probably
[1:28:13] not a huge cost and so it would actually
[1:28:15] bump up the total finished. It would be
[1:28:18] able to be used as storage, but if
[1:28:19] somebody wanted to in theory, you know,
[1:28:22] house an extra person or have a
[1:28:23] roommate, uh, it would almost function
[1:28:26] as that with the exception of that room
[1:28:27] would not have a bedroom, but it would
[1:28:28] be a storage/den
[1:28:30] and it would increase the 660.
[1:28:33] >> Yeah, that seems really super tight to
[1:28:35] me. Um
[1:28:38] so if I was reading the chart correctly
[1:28:42] um this would be for uh for two people
[1:28:46] the and based on their income the range
[1:28:48] of rent would start out from 1612 to
[1:28:53] 2418
[1:28:55] uh based on AMI and that it would uh go
[1:28:58] up annually. So the way it was designed
[1:29:02] um and the suggestion for the agreement
[1:29:04] was more that the grid for the proposal
[1:29:05] purpose was to provide a grid of what is
[1:29:08] considered affordable to households of
[1:29:10] that size. It was not necessarily a
[1:29:13] formalization of where we would end up.
[1:29:15] Uh my recommendation to Tom in our last
[1:29:19] discussion was that we settle somewhere
[1:29:22] I think in like the 100% AMI rent range.
[1:29:24] I think it was like 1885
[1:29:27] that we would set it to a household
[1:29:29] limit. And so in the agreement it would
[1:29:33] be so in affordable housing for
[1:29:35] low-inccome housing tax credit purposes
[1:29:37] generally it scales based on how many
[1:29:38] people are in the household then you
[1:29:39] have an income limit. Our suggestion was
[1:29:41] not to have an income limit on the
[1:29:43] project because in theory what your goal
[1:29:45] in my my opinion what the goal is of
[1:29:47] middle- inome housing is that you want
[1:29:49] people to have the ability to level up.
[1:29:50] The great thing about tax credit in a
[1:29:52] lot of ways is if somebody moves into a
[1:29:54] tax credit project that's low income and
[1:29:56] they're earning potential increases over
[1:29:58] time. They're not kicked out of that.
[1:30:00] They're they get to stay in that
[1:30:01] position so they can save money and
[1:30:03] eventually have a down payment. And so
[1:30:05] we would have a rent restriction. So in
[1:30:08] addition to you guys getting the
[1:30:09] workforce housing, we would be
[1:30:11] restricting the rent um to a certain
[1:30:13] area med income range at a household
[1:30:16] size that we all agree on. Two people
[1:30:18] seems to be the best. And that's why we
[1:30:19] kind of were talking about amending that
[1:30:21] downstairs uh room space. So in theory,
[1:30:24] if two people work at Oscars and they
[1:30:25] wanted to split that rent, it becomes a
[1:30:27] little bit more affordable if they
[1:30:29] wanted to or if they had a child um that
[1:30:33] they have that extra space. Uh so it
[1:30:36] would restrict the rent, but it would
[1:30:37] not restrict the income. So in theory,
[1:30:38] they could make more than the AMI. They
[1:30:40] could be making 140% or it could service
[1:30:43] any of the medical providers in theory
[1:30:45] that might be in between housing
[1:30:46] options, but it would cap the rent.
[1:30:49] >> And Jack, I just want to point out, you
[1:30:51] might not know this, we didn't have any
[1:30:54] income requirements at all. Our RFP
[1:30:57] called for the only obligation we had
[1:30:59] was that they be workforced. And so this
[1:31:02] is something that Kyle has
[1:31:05] done to make them more affordable
[1:31:08] without us forcing that. So it's it's a
[1:31:12] bonus if you will that he's he's looking
[1:31:14] at the AMIs and we have Matt Frink on
[1:31:17] the housing committee and he helped us
[1:31:19] with the incomes at Z National Park so
[1:31:22] that Kyle feels comfortable that people
[1:31:25] can afford these units, but it was not
[1:31:27] our requirement. Yeah, I've got two
[1:31:30] long-term rentals that I've had the past
[1:31:32] 20 years here. And so I have kind of a
[1:31:34] feel and it and these are for people who
[1:31:36] work here in Springdale. And then also
[1:31:39] just kind of watching
[1:31:41] um what is available and what rents are
[1:31:44] and whether or not they rent. So it
[1:31:46] strikes me as a little on the high side,
[1:31:48] but I guess you know you'll find out.
[1:31:50] Um, I had a question on the 50-year
[1:31:53] lease and and part of this is also for
[1:31:56] the town is how was that arrived at? How
[1:31:59] was a 50-year lease? Is that common
[1:32:01] place or
[1:32:02] >> that was a determination? Uh, that was
[1:32:04] what was put out in the request for
[1:32:05] proposal that would be a 50-year term.
[1:32:07] It is not a lease. It is a fee
[1:32:09] ownership. So, it is the land is being
[1:32:11] granted uh in exchange for the
[1:32:13] restrictions.
[1:32:15] And I would say it is common on other
[1:32:17] affordable housing deals that we've
[1:32:18] worked on, cities have contributed the
[1:32:20] land in addition to um additional
[1:32:25] financing methods uh which may include
[1:32:27] home funds, may include tax increment
[1:32:29] financing where they're not paying
[1:32:30] property taxes for a substantial period
[1:32:32] of time. And so uh it's a great benefit
[1:32:36] for the project, but it's not uncommon
[1:32:38] uh in Utah or Nevada. And and maybe this
[1:32:41] I'll get to kind of where I'm going with
[1:32:43] that. And I've just got a couple more
[1:32:46] questions
[1:32:48] and maybe I'm not fully understanding
[1:32:49] this. Let's And so it sounds like that
[1:32:52] you have the option at some point if you
[1:32:54] decide this doesn't work for you, you
[1:32:56] can transfer this ownership to someone
[1:32:59] else.
[1:33:00] >> In in theory, the project is designed
[1:33:02] that it's yes, you could transfer the
[1:33:05] ownership to somebody else. Um it it
[1:33:08] really wasn't the goal or the intention.
[1:33:10] It's really more of a survival
[1:33:11] mechanism. I mean my hope is to live for
[1:33:13] a very very long time. About 50 years is
[1:33:15] a long time. Um we approached the
[1:33:19] development and I know that you probably
[1:33:20] weren't on the committee. The firm
[1:33:23] Parkplace Residential is only owned by
[1:33:24] two people. It's myself and my mother.
[1:33:26] Uh but we are a relatively large firm.
[1:33:28] We cover four different states. And so
[1:33:29] the intention is that this is meant to
[1:33:31] be a family asset. It's not meant to go
[1:33:33] anywhere. We're local to southern Utah.
[1:33:35] Uh I was born and raised in St. George.
[1:33:37] And so it was a unique opportunity for
[1:33:39] us, we felt, to do a fund project that
[1:33:41] would be unique. Uh just going back to
[1:33:43] the rental rates and the size. I mean, I
[1:33:45] think the one thing that's different is
[1:33:46] we did a project in Hurricane recently.
[1:33:49] Um and I would say it's not the
[1:33:52] prettiest thing. It's a more of a box,
[1:33:54] but we had a really good idea of what
[1:33:55] costs were and we knew what our land
[1:33:57] cost was and we knew all these different
[1:33:58] things. And so as we were approaching
[1:34:00] it, um, we tried to design units that we
[1:34:04] felt would have the adequate space,
[1:34:08] fit the needs that were kind of there
[1:34:10] of, hey, we need to have outdoor space.
[1:34:12] The parcel is also a very challenging
[1:34:14] parcel to attack because it's a
[1:34:15] triangle, the way that the setbacks
[1:34:17] were, utilizing the ridge, meeting the
[1:34:20] parking requirements, and so I think
[1:34:23] that we were able to hit all the things
[1:34:25] that were in the RFP. Um, and we we
[1:34:29] believe that the pricing based on where
[1:34:30] people's area median income is and then
[1:34:33] not having to travel. So, we're renting
[1:34:35] onebedrooms that are 598 square feet in
[1:34:37] Hurricane. They just opened 30 days ago
[1:34:40] and they're almost half gone. Um, and
[1:34:43] those are 1325
[1:34:46] >> with no rush.
[1:34:47] >> So, I guess the let's just say let's
[1:34:50] just say in five years you decide this
[1:34:51] doesn't work for you and you have the
[1:34:54] option of transferring this um at fair
[1:34:57] market value. And if I look at this
[1:35:01] correctly, you've got an investment of
[1:35:03] building it for about 1.6 million and
[1:35:07] the town is donating the land. Um, and
[1:35:10] this is part of a question for Tom. Um,
[1:35:14] does the fair market value include the the land?
[1:35:19] >> If you scroll up to the proforma,
[1:35:22] there's actually a valuation metric
[1:35:24] here. Um, if you scroll back down a
[1:35:27] little bit, Tom, the cap rate, um, and
[1:35:29] this is based on the income stream the
[1:35:32] property provides, right? And so a six
[1:35:35] and a quarter cap rate because it is an
[1:35:37] income restricted project, right? If you
[1:35:38] were to go to market, like we're going
[1:35:40] to go look at stuff in Cedar and we're
[1:35:42] paying like $80,000 a unit,
[1:35:43] substantially cheaper um because it's
[1:35:46] income restricted and the income stream
[1:35:47] is actually not that much worse than
[1:35:49] what this income stream is. And so the
[1:35:52] property would be valued and that's why
[1:35:53] we put the income restriction, the rent
[1:35:55] restrictions on it was in theory,
[1:35:58] if you look at the 2.28 million, the
[1:36:00] property values probably between three
[1:36:02] and $400,000. That said, there is clay
[1:36:05] most likely on the property. We did get
[1:36:07] the neighboring soils reports and at
[1:36:10] preliminary we're looking at between
[1:36:12] 300,000 or more to put in peers or do
[1:36:15] the uh 8 to 10 ft of over excavation.
[1:36:19] And so while the contribution of the
[1:36:22] land is super important, without it it
[1:36:23] would not be economically viable to
[1:36:25] build it. So if you take the land over
[1:36:28] excavation, everything like that and
[1:36:30] we're not charging any development fees
[1:36:32] in theory at a six and a quarter cap at
[1:36:34] 2.2 2 million uh on an exit, we would
[1:36:37] essentially get paid for building the
[1:36:39] project, but there wouldn't be a
[1:36:40] significant spread beyond that. Uh and
[1:36:43] that would assume that somebody wants to
[1:36:45] buy it and operate it because the way
[1:36:47] that the agreement is intended to be
[1:36:48] written, the person that has to buy it
[1:36:50] does have to commit to operating it. And
[1:36:51] we do feel that the uh in working with
[1:36:54] Tom that it's outlined that there will
[1:36:57] be limited amount of firms that can
[1:36:59] provide the level of operation that it
[1:37:01] would need. So, this kind of takes me
[1:37:03] back to where I'm a little uncomfortable
[1:37:04] with a 50-year lease. And, you know, my
[1:37:07] interest is looking at uh protecting the
[1:37:10] town. And so, you let's just say you
[1:37:14] default in five years. And we are tied
[1:37:18] to a 50-year lease. And so, my question
[1:37:21] to Tom is, what language do we have that
[1:37:24] protects the town if there's a default?
[1:37:28] >> It's not a lease. It's right. It's
[1:37:32] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's not at least the town is transferring ownership of
[1:37:35] the property.
[1:37:36] >> Well, even at that, you know, we're gonna we're so we're going to have
[1:37:42] this property sitting there that you
[1:37:45] you're not able to, let's just say you
[1:37:47] can't sell it because you can't find
[1:37:50] another, you know, somebody else to run
[1:37:52] this operation.
[1:37:54] So, I don't know. I mean, are we really
[1:37:56] comfortable? You know, I was like, what
[1:37:58] about a probationary period to make sure
[1:38:01] that this is truly a good fit for
[1:38:03] Springdale? Unless the housing committee
[1:38:05] has already gone there and, you know,
[1:38:07] you're all confident that this is, you
[1:38:11] know, a good fit for Springdale and and
[1:38:13] that we are protected at all levels.
[1:38:16] >> We've we've evaluated this completely
[1:38:20] and um yeah, I and and if it's sold, with all the restrictions. So
[1:38:27] >> I did see that.
[1:38:28] >> Yeah, we
[1:38:29] >> So we have we have a workforce housing
[1:38:33] project for 50 years
[1:38:36] and and 50 years was in our RFP. That
[1:38:39] wasn't Kyle's decision. So he's not it's
[1:38:42] not that he was reluctant to go longer.
[1:38:43] It's that that what that's what we asked
[1:38:45] for. And so we can't now ask for
[1:38:47] something else when we put an RFP out
[1:38:49] asking for 50. The the one thing I would
[1:38:51] throw out just I mean to your point
[1:38:53] about being protected I think um if we
[1:38:55] just look at the pure cost what you're
[1:38:57] really contributing is $8,000 a year to
[1:39:00] have this if you look at it over a
[1:39:01] 50-year term if you assume that the
[1:39:04] property is worth $400,000 which without
[1:39:07] the land being contributed it would just
[1:39:09] sit as land and so the property will
[1:39:11] have more property taxes it will provide
[1:39:12] a public benefit in my personal opinion
[1:39:15] it would sell I mean if if worse came to
[1:39:17] worse the town could assume ownership of
[1:39:19] the property at whatever market value is
[1:39:21] at the time and you would have the units
[1:39:23] that are built and you wouldn't have
[1:39:24] technically paid a developer fee in the
[1:39:26] worst of worst case scenarios. Um best
[1:39:29] case scenarios you're going to have
[1:39:30] workforce housing with income
[1:39:32] restrictions with a deed restriction and
[1:39:35] you know it's written where we have to
[1:39:37] comply once a year with the verification
[1:39:39] methods and I would say we're reputable.
[1:39:43] I mean I I think we're going to be here
[1:39:44] for a very long time but it is an
[1:39:47] economics thing. them at the end of the
[1:39:48] day. And that was kind of the thing that
[1:39:49] we told the housing committee and we we
[1:39:51] showed them our white box that we built
[1:39:52] in Hurricane and like you can go look at
[1:39:53] that. It's it's really a matter of it's
[1:39:56] comes down to what the town wants. I'm
[1:39:58] happy to build whatever you want. I can
[1:39:59] build you the most basic box and it will
[1:40:01] not look super pretty and we can lower
[1:40:03] the requirements and you know we can
[1:40:05] look at different options but for kind
[1:40:07] of what was put out in the RFP which is
[1:40:09] we want it to look you know equivalent
[1:40:12] to what's in the neighborhood which in
[1:40:13] the 10 years construction costs are
[1:40:15] significantly higher than they were 10
[1:40:17] years ago. It's just a reality of where
[1:40:18] it is. Interest rates are significantly
[1:40:20] higher and at the same time we are the
[1:40:22] ones that are going to risk the $1.6 $6
[1:40:24] million in capital to build the project.
[1:40:26] And so there has to be an adequate
[1:40:28] return because I can get four and a
[1:40:30] half% 4% in a money market almost. And
[1:40:33] so there has to be enough spread that
[1:40:35] there's enough economic benefit in doing
[1:40:38] it. We don't have to get rich off the
[1:40:39] project by any means, but it just has to
[1:40:41] have enough economic room to make it
[1:40:43] viable.
[1:40:44] >> These were just questions that came to
[1:40:46] mind as I read through this.
[1:40:47] >> And can can I just add a couple things,
[1:40:50] Jack? I I think you actually make raised
[1:40:51] some really good points. Um, and one is
[1:40:54] on your your comment about, you know,
[1:40:56] can we can we do like a a probationary
[1:40:58] period? We we kind of have a little bit
[1:41:01] of that. Um, in in the draft outline, we
[1:41:04] have a revisionary clause that's
[1:41:05] proposed to go into the deed that says,
[1:41:07] hey, if if ParkPlace fails to perform,
[1:41:10] um, then there's a three-year period
[1:41:12] that the property reverts back to the
[1:41:14] town. Um the other thing is in the Red
[1:41:17] Hawk agreement that we've done with
[1:41:18] Mountain Country Home Solutions, there's
[1:41:20] some language about what happens if
[1:41:22] Mountain Country defaults and what
[1:41:23] happens to the properties. Um and we can look at um incorporating some of
[1:41:28] that language into this agreement as
[1:41:30] well to protect the town in that regard
[1:41:32] as well.
[1:41:33] >> So you actually just reminded me of
[1:41:35] something that I meant to um mention was
[1:41:37] and this kind of goes back to a
[1:41:40] discussion we had earlier on time frames
[1:41:42] of of building
[1:41:45] new construction in Springdale. And I
[1:41:48] read the that three-year time frame and
[1:41:50] that it was based on I can't remember
[1:41:52] the exact wording um like substantial
[1:41:56] progress.
[1:41:58] And I I wonder if we want to actually
[1:42:01] define what we mean by substantial
[1:42:04] progress. And I I go back to what Kyla
[1:42:07] had suggested when we had this
[1:42:10] conversation before and it was based on
[1:42:13] like an 80%
[1:42:15] building inspection or I can't remember
[1:42:17] what it was exactly.
[1:42:20] >> Probably the four-way building
[1:42:21] inspection is what she was talking
[1:42:22] about.
[1:42:23] >> Yeah. But I guess I would rather it not
[1:42:25] be vague on, you know, because I think
[1:42:27] what is considered substantial will be
[1:42:30] different.
[1:42:32] can help.
[1:42:33] >> That's a great point and we can we we
[1:42:34] can we can clarify that when we when we
[1:42:36] do the actual language of the agreement.
[1:42:38] That's a really good point.
[1:42:39] >> We'll get the contract to approve
[1:42:41] hopefully in April and we can make sure
[1:42:43] it has all of those things that are that
[1:42:45] you're comfortable with.
[1:42:48] Anything else?
[1:42:51] >> Thanks, Kyle.
[1:42:56] We do need a motion if we're ready to
[1:42:58] approve. Um, we do need a motion
[1:43:00] selecting ParkPlace Residential.
[1:43:07] » I can make a motion, but my
[1:43:09] understanding from the training that Tom
[1:43:11] gave us was that I I can't introduce
[1:43:13] stuff that we didn't talk about. Is that
[1:43:14] right?
[1:43:16] Can I introduce stuff that's in the
[1:43:17] proposal, for instance, in the motion?
[1:43:21] >> So, so the motion is to um
[1:43:24] >> Yeah, it's just to approve
[1:43:25] >> is to select
[1:43:26] >> Park Place. So, I don't have to make
[1:43:28] given him. We've given Tom
[1:43:30] >> Oh, no. You should You should still make
[1:43:31] findings. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:43:32] >> So, my that's my question. Can I make
[1:43:34] findings that were not part of the
[1:43:35] discussion here
[1:43:36] >> if it's part of the packet material or
[1:43:37] part of the RFP? Sure. Because that's
[1:43:38] all part of the that's all part of the
[1:43:40] agenda item.
[1:43:45] » Town council has reviewed the ParkPlace
[1:43:46] Residential doing business as
[1:43:49] RCA Ridge LLC proposal and draft
[1:43:52] development agreement. It makes the
[1:43:54] following findings. Uh, Parkplace
[1:43:56] Residential is a stable, locally
[1:43:57] headquartered firm with extensive
[1:43:59] experience managing highquality multif
[1:44:01] family workforce housing communities
[1:44:02] across the Inter Mountain region,
[1:44:05] overseeing approximately 3,000 family
[1:44:07] units. Uh, the firm's management plan
[1:44:09] includes a full service property
[1:44:11] management with deed restricted
[1:44:13] covenants tied to Washington County AMI
[1:44:15] benchmarks.
[1:44:16] The proposed partnership town land
[1:44:19] contribution in exchange for 50-year AMI
[1:44:22] based deed restriction and no re and no
[1:44:25] revenue sharing is consistent with the
[1:44:28] town's workforce housing goals and
[1:44:30] general plan policies. Parkplace
[1:44:32] Residential demonstrates expertise in
[1:44:34] affordable and workforce housing finance
[1:44:36] using market driven structures
[1:44:39] their language.
[1:44:41] Uh and the concept uh level site plan
[1:44:44] includes 10 one-bedroom town home units
[1:44:46] with a garage parking for nine
[1:44:48] uh which complements Springdale's
[1:44:50] central commercial context
[1:44:52] and the proposed 18 to 20 more 18 to 24
[1:44:56] month schedule aligns with the town's
[1:44:58] goal to deliver new workforce housing
[1:45:00] units in the near term. Therefore, the
[1:45:02] town council approves the selection of
[1:45:04] Parkplace Residential as a trapper
[1:45:06] circle workforce housing partner and
[1:45:08] directs the staff to negotiate and
[1:45:10] return a development agreement
[1:45:11] consistent with the terms of the
[1:45:13] Parkplace residential proposal.
[1:45:17] >> I think
[1:45:20] second
[1:45:22] motion by Pat, second by Randy
[1:45:25] >> Barb. Okay.
[1:45:27] >> Okay. Next item is resolution 2026-03
[1:45:32] adopting a historical displays policy
[1:45:35] for the town of Springdale. And this is
[1:45:36] Kindle.
[1:45:38] >> Yes.
[1:45:41] » Um so the town of Springdale's general
[1:45:43] plan natural and cultural resources
[1:45:46] promotes actively seeking and preserving
[1:45:49] historic resources throughout the
[1:45:50] community. Sub goal D is to preserve and
[1:45:53] promote community appreciation for the
[1:45:55] town's heritage and cultural history.
[1:45:58] The town occasionally receives requests
[1:46:00] from residents and non-residents wanting
[1:46:02] to donate items of historical value. Um
[1:46:05] and staff recommends adopting a policy
[1:46:07] that would manage such donations.
[1:46:12] Sorry about that.
[1:46:14] Adopting the historical displays policy
[1:46:15] will provide framework that ensures the
[1:46:17] preservation and integrity of the town's
[1:46:19] collection of historical items, preserve
[1:46:22] cultural heritage, and ensure
[1:46:23] responsible practices with the
[1:46:25] historical items. Some of the key points
[1:46:28] of the policy include a mission, access,
[1:46:31] authority and responsibilities,
[1:46:33] acquisitions, DS and disposal,
[1:46:36] collections, care and documentation. One
[1:46:39] thing I want to point out is that the
[1:46:40] mission says to preserve, protect, and
[1:46:43] promote the rich historical and cultural
[1:46:45] heritage of Springdale, ensuring its
[1:46:47] unique story and character are
[1:46:49] celebrated and accessible for present
[1:46:51] and future generations in alignment with
[1:46:53] the town's vision to remain a
[1:46:55] distinctive and cherished community. The
[1:46:58] historical displays policy was taken to
[1:47:00] the Historic Preservation Commission on
[1:47:02] November 13th of 2025. They made the
[1:47:05] motion to recommend that the town
[1:47:07] council adopt the proposed historical
[1:47:09] display policy and gift of deed. The
[1:47:12] proposed historical displays policy went
[1:47:14] through the town's attorney and was
[1:47:16] updated with their advice since that HBC
[1:47:18] meeting. One of those changes is
[1:47:20] changing the gift of deed to a gift
[1:47:22] affidavit which is found in appendix B.
[1:47:24] So, the town council should review the
[1:47:26] proposed historical displays policy. If
[1:47:28] the council supports the historical
[1:47:30] displays policy, the council should make
[1:47:32] a motion to approve resolution 2026-03.
[1:47:37] >> Kindle, it uh talked about a committee
[1:47:40] that
[1:47:43] I guess it specifically said someone in
[1:47:46] a in a staff role.
[1:47:49] >> It does. There's
[1:47:50] >> Okay. Yeah. So,
[1:47:53] staff, commissioner, and a council
[1:47:55] member. So once this is approved, we
[1:47:57] would appoint a committee.
[1:48:00] >> Sorry,
[1:48:00] >> the committee is not appointed yet. That
[1:48:02] would happen after this is approved.
[1:48:04] >> Correct.
[1:48:05] >> Okay.
[1:48:07] >> Is the town in the position of accepting
[1:48:10] donations. And where would they be
[1:48:11] stored?
[1:48:13] >> Yes, we are. Um at the moment we have a
[1:48:16] display case here in the community
[1:48:18] center which is our intention of having
[1:48:20] those historical displays for storage.
[1:48:24] um that can be in a few different
[1:48:27] places. It can be in town hall. It could
[1:48:29] be here at the community center. It
[1:48:30] could even be one of the one of the
[1:48:32] storage units
[1:48:34] of records. We got to put a pedal in.
[1:48:37] [laughter]
[1:48:37] >> Well, because I think you'll find that,
[1:48:39] you know, people will want to donate
[1:48:41] furniture, old piece, old chairs and
[1:48:43] whatnot. So, things that could take up
[1:48:45] space.
[1:48:46] >> We do have an old chair and it is
[1:48:48] sitting in Nile's office. That's its
[1:48:50] home right now. It looks very nice in
[1:48:52] there, though.
[1:48:54] But the committee will determine whether
[1:48:56] we are able to take the things whether
[1:48:58] we have a place to put them. And and the
[1:49:00] items you're probably thinking of are
[1:49:01] gone now. They've been donated
[1:49:03] elsewhere. So for example, Jean Krauss
[1:49:06] who's on the commission said somebody
[1:49:08] found a bunch of old photographs.
[1:49:11] Um I can tell you about that later if
[1:49:13] she hasn't, but those are more the kinds
[1:49:15] of things that we expect to get. There
[1:49:17] may be some furniture.
[1:49:20] Well, and I think this is good to have
[1:49:22] because it puts the town also in the
[1:49:24] position of uh rejecting donations. You
[1:49:29] know, if it doesn't fit the scope,
[1:49:32] that's it's good to have that.
[1:49:43] Someone want to make a motion
[1:49:50] I move to uh adopt resolution number
[1:49:54] 2026-03,
[1:49:57] a resolution adopting
[1:49:59] uh a historical displays policy for the
[1:50:02] town of Springdale.
[1:50:06] » I'll second.
[1:50:08] >> Motion by Jack and a second by Randy.
[1:50:10] >> Randy,
[1:50:11] >> Barbara. Jack I
[1:50:14] >> next item is a request to sell and serve
[1:50:16] alcohol in the town field as required by
[1:50:18] town code section 7-6-13e
[1:50:22] located at 126 Lion Boulevard for the
[1:50:25] Zion Chalk and Earth Festival. The
[1:50:28] applicant is the town of Springdale and
[1:50:30] the staff contact is Robin Romero.
[1:51:00] Garen, have you checked the criminal
[1:51:03] background of this applicant to make
[1:51:05] sure there's no
[1:51:09] Okay.
[1:51:11] >> And it's beer and wine, right?
[1:51:13] >> Correct.
[1:51:13] >> Beer and wine only. Okay.
[1:51:16] Motion.
[1:51:23] » Okay.
[1:51:24] So, this is this is a motion to approve
[1:51:28] the request to sell and serve alcohol in
[1:51:30] the town field for the Zion Chocolate
[1:51:32] Nerf Fest. Easy motion.
[1:51:36] Okay. Town and approves the request to
[1:51:39] sell and serve alcohol at the Springdale
[1:51:41] Town Field located at 126 Lion Boulevard
[1:51:44] for the Zion Chalk and Earth Festival to
[1:51:47] be held Saturday, April 18th through
[1:51:49] Sunday, April 19th with the following
[1:51:51] conditions. Before the event the
[1:51:53] applicant will comply with section
[1:51:55] 7-6-13e
[1:51:57] of the Springdale town code to include
[1:51:59] signing an indemnity agreement with the
[1:52:01] town of Springdale, obtaining a large
[1:52:03] outdoor event permit, obtaining all
[1:52:06] required alcohol permits through the
[1:52:07] Utah Department of Alcohol and Beverage
[1:52:09] Services and the town of Springdale and
[1:52:12] approved security plan
[1:52:16] and authorizes the mayor to sign
[1:52:20] that. Is that it? Does that work?
[1:52:22] >> The mayor will sign the next piece. This
[1:52:25] you guys are just giving your approval
[1:52:27] for for the event
[1:52:29] >> without call.
[1:52:30] >> Motion by Pat, second by Jack
[1:52:33] >> Barb.
[1:52:35] >> Okay. The next item is related. It's a
[1:52:37] single event local consent request for
[1:52:39] Zion Canyon Brew Pub for the Zion Chalk
[1:52:42] and Earth Festival located on the town
[1:52:44] field at 126 Lion Boulevard in
[1:52:46] Springdale. And again, the staff contact
[1:52:48] is Robin
[1:53:06] and this one would require my signature
[1:53:10] to approve the local authority consent
[1:53:12] for a single event permit for Zion
[1:53:15] Canyon Brew Pub LLC
[1:53:18] for the Zion Rockfest and direct the
[1:53:21] mayor to sign.
[1:53:24] >> Second it.
[1:53:25] >> Motion by Jack and second by Pat.
[1:53:28] >> I barre.
[1:53:32] >> Next item is local consent request for a
[1:53:34] restaurant full service alcohol license
[1:53:37] for Wildcat Willies doing business as
[1:53:39] Porter's restaurant located at 897 Zion
[1:53:42] Park Boulevard in Springdale, Utah
[1:53:44] 84767.
[1:53:46] The applicant is Jacob Cochran and this
[1:53:49] is Robin's item.
[1:54:15] Jacob has been the chef since he opened
[1:54:18] and he's really he and his wife have
[1:54:19] really been running the place according
[1:54:20] to the stand. So it's not really new
[1:54:24] anything new except the actual
[1:54:25] ownership.
[1:54:26] >> So it still
[1:54:28] >> Yes, it does.
[1:54:30] I move to approve the local authority
[1:54:32] consent for a retail alcohol license.
[1:54:36] This is a restaurant full service
[1:54:38] license for Porter's restaurant and
[1:54:41] direct the mayor to sign.
[1:54:46] » Motion by Jack, second by Randy
[1:54:48] >> Pat. I
[1:54:51] » Okay. And the next item is discussion
[1:54:54] and possible approval of employment
[1:54:56] agreement for town manager Thomas Denzy.
[1:54:58] And the staff contact is Don Breck.
[1:55:06] » I wish I could do this from back there.
[1:55:09] >> I try to distance myself from this until
[1:55:12] I just shimmy right around this thing.
[1:55:13] >> You could you could carry that back
[1:55:15] there if you wanted to.
[1:55:16] >> No, no. That's why I sit away from
[1:55:18] there. Um, this is the town manager
[1:55:21] agreement that I asked the town attorney
[1:55:23] to uh go ahead and complete for us. It's
[1:55:26] It started out almost identical to the
[1:55:29] one that you approved for Rick a couple
[1:55:31] of years ago and we made some slight
[1:55:34] changes and um you guys had a chance to
[1:55:38] look at it. I sent it to Tom and he had
[1:55:40] a couple of really um mostly grammatical
[1:55:44] things to change and um and then I
[1:55:48] changed a couple of grammatical things
[1:55:49] too because you know who can't help but
[1:55:54] correct the attorney's work. Come on.
[1:55:57] >> [laughter]
[1:55:58] >> And so what you have before you is the
[1:56:02] copy that you should have now
[1:56:05] >> because evidently I don't do I have to
[1:56:08] do things twice.
[1:56:09] >> I click on it. It said it was deleted.
[1:56:11] >> Yeah. Mine just said that too.
[1:56:13] >> We got a
[1:56:14] >> we got it separately
[1:56:16] >> and it's in a minute.
[1:56:17] >> Got a new link because someone sent you
[1:56:20] an old draft
[1:56:23] >> and they should be fired and I should
[1:56:25] have their job.
[1:56:26] >> [laughter]
[1:56:27] >> Well, I I do appreciate the grammatical
[1:56:29] corrections because I had a bunch of
[1:56:31] them on the first agreement
[1:56:34] >> an English professor along with being a
[1:56:37] >> read police reports for 33 years. So,
[1:56:39] I'm pretty good at making sure nobody
[1:56:41] gets in trouble with
[1:56:42] >> dotting the eyes and crossing the tees.
[1:56:44] Do you have any comments on this, Pat?
[1:56:46] Are you okay with it?
[1:56:47] >> Well, I had one and let me get down to
[1:56:50] it. It seemed like I had to read through
[1:56:53] it several times.
[1:56:54] it just seemed like a real word salad.
[1:56:57] Um, and
[1:56:58] >> there are a couple of those in these
[1:56:59] agreements.
[1:57:01] >> So, it's under uh eight termination. And
[1:57:04] then if you go down to D, um, I just had
[1:57:09] to re I had to read that several times.
[1:57:12] >> So, this is a little cleaner. This is
[1:57:14] one of those paragraphs that I cleaned
[1:57:16] up because you probably read through the
[1:57:18] first time,
[1:57:19] >> remember? And I said I said this doesn't
[1:57:21] make sense to me, too. So it's a lot
[1:57:23] cleaner now.
[1:57:24] >> Yeah.
[1:57:25] >> And so yeah it's it it is much cleaner.
[1:57:29] So my question is also there. Um uh
[1:57:33] under D
[1:57:35] we use the word you use the word
[1:57:37] termination
[1:57:39] and yet if I understand this correctly
[1:57:42] for some reason we find some cause to
[1:57:45] ask town manager to resign and he does
[1:57:49] it and then we accept the resignation
[1:57:54] but it's classified as a termination. We
[1:57:57] don't classify it as an involuntary
[1:57:59] separation.
[1:58:01] >> You know, we use the word termination um
[1:58:04] in HR really loosely. Um we use it more
[1:58:07] as as you would use the word separation.
[1:58:10] So it's a voluntary termination or
[1:58:12] involuntary termination. So that's I
[1:58:15] think that's how that word is being used
[1:58:17] here. So if you say if you give him the
[1:58:20] opportunity to resign and he does then
[1:58:24] that would be a voluntary termination
[1:58:28] even though it's a resignation. So it's
[1:58:30] a voluntary termination.
[1:58:32] >> So um and again I'm going down the weeds
[1:58:35] here. So a prospective employer asks us
[1:58:40] why did the town manager leave? Do we
[1:58:42] say
[1:58:44] it was determination? Do we say it was a
[1:58:46] voluntary resignation? Do we say it was
[1:58:48] a
[1:58:49] >> if it was voluntary? We have photographs
[1:58:52] which is why you got to get out really
[1:58:54] these days. Um we can't say much of
[1:58:56] anything. We can say these are the dates
[1:58:58] that they worked here
[1:59:01] >> which is really unfortunate but that's a
[1:59:04] whole different conversation.
[1:59:06] >> So there's no no problem using the word
[1:59:07] termination again in that section.
[1:59:10] >> Even though you mean resignation yes
[1:59:11] there's no problem using the word
[1:59:13] termination. Then in section nine, not
[1:59:15] entitled to severance if terminated for
[1:59:17] cause or if the employee voluntarily
[1:59:20] resigns and the voluntary resign is
[1:59:24] actually
[1:59:26] >> classified as a termination.
[1:59:27] >> Yes.
[1:59:28] >> But if you if you just walk in one day
[1:59:30] and say, you know, you got a haircut,
[1:59:33] it's a mullet. I've never liked mullets.
[1:59:35] You're out of here. Then you'd have to
[1:59:38] pay severance
[1:59:40] and probably have to get him a haircut.
[1:59:45] So,
[1:59:47] >> got it.
[1:59:49] >> Haircut example sold it for me.
[1:59:51] >> Hey, I've kept that one in my back
[1:59:54] pocket for a long time. [laughter]
[1:59:56] >> You guys have any other questions?
[1:59:57] >> Just really quick on that same paragraph
[1:59:59] nine, the very end. Um, notwithstanding
[2:00:04] any provision in uh to the contrary,
[2:00:07] should that be a separate paragraph?
[2:00:12] Or is this Jack?
[2:00:13] >> Well, because we're talking about them
[2:00:16] being terminated without cause and very
[2:00:20] the very last one is it's terminated for
[2:00:23] cause.
[2:00:24] >> Yeah, that that does that is I mean it
[2:00:26] could be separated by it.
[2:00:28] >> I think it's okay where it is, but I see your point.
[2:00:38] » Anything else?
[2:00:40] So, do we have a motion?
[2:00:44] >> Town council's reviewed and approves the
[2:00:46] town manager employment agreement
[2:00:48] between the town of Springdale and Oh, I
[2:00:50] did have one more question. I'm sorry.
[2:00:52] Can I can I back up my ear? Is that
[2:00:54] okay?
[2:00:55] >> Yeah, start over.
[2:00:57] >> Not on not on the one more question to
[2:00:59] Dawn. You can stay there. the in in in
[2:01:02] the agreement, we use the town address
[2:01:05] for the town, but we also used Tom's
[2:01:08] address. If there's a dispute and he's
[2:01:11] not allowed back in the building, how
[2:01:12] does he get his mail?
[2:01:13] >> You know, I knew you were going to ask
[2:01:14] that. Just answered it to
[2:01:16] >> I wouldn't even have brought it up if
[2:01:17] you didn't bring up the haircut thing.
[2:01:19] >> I know. I know. I was You're trying to
[2:01:21] get back at me. So, we used Tom's
[2:01:24] address because the because Utah has
[2:01:27] really passed some strict data privacy
[2:01:29] laws and if we didn't use the town's
[2:01:33] address for Tom, we would have to redact
[2:01:36] his address every time this agreement
[2:01:40] was
[2:01:41] >> was grandma was we would have to have it
[2:01:44] redacted right here. And it just made it
[2:01:47] a lot simpler to to use the town's
[2:01:50] address. and Greg was fine with it. Um,
[2:01:53] and
[2:01:55] at the end of the day, I I have Tom's
[2:01:57] address in in my payroll system and so
[2:02:00] we always know where to find him and
[2:02:02] chances are if he moved, we wouldn't
[2:02:04] have his new address on here anyway, but
[2:02:07] I would have it in the payroll system.
[2:02:09] >> Okay.
[2:02:13] » Anyway, the town council has reviewed
[2:02:14] and approves the town manager employment
[2:02:16] agreement between the town of Springdale
[2:02:17] and Thomas Dansancy and authorizes the
[2:02:19] mayor to sign
[2:02:21] A second
[2:02:21] >> motion by Pat, second by Randy Pat.
[2:02:24] >> I Randy.
[2:02:25] >> All right.
[2:02:28] >> Um any any general discussion?
[2:02:33] » I have something. It's um after our
[2:02:36] training that we did when uh Roger
[2:02:40] Carter talked about us looking at the
[2:02:42] code of conduct for the town and Rick
[2:02:45] sent that out to us. It's I think it's
[2:02:48] over 10 years old and it's time for us
[2:02:49] to relook at that. And I think we ought
[2:02:51] to have a conversation also about public um comments and that kind of
[2:02:56] thing and just kind of clarify what this
[2:02:58] council wants. And I want to propose
[2:03:01] that we have a work meeting because I
[2:03:02] think it'd be a lot to talk about in a
[2:03:04] meeting like this. If everyone's okay
[2:03:06] with that, um we could either look at
[2:03:08] our calendars now or Robin could get
[2:03:12] stuck trying to get dates from us. Um,
[2:03:16] Kyla is not here, but I think that if we
[2:03:19] could narrow it down to when the four of
[2:03:21] us are available, that would be a really
[2:03:23] good start. Is that okay?
[2:03:25] >> Just for my notes here to discuss code
[2:03:27] of conduct or is there something more
[2:03:28] general you want to say just
[2:03:31] >> um Yeah. Let's let's call it code of
[2:03:33] conduct.
[2:03:35] >> Whatever that document was called that
[2:03:37] Rick sent out to us.
[2:03:39] >> I I've got it somewhere here. Let me
[2:03:41] I'll tell you what it's called.
[2:03:44] So you get it right there.
[2:03:57] Uh it's called
[2:04:02] cond conduct policy and he no
[2:04:07] >> conduct policy and
[2:04:09] >> Rick in his in his subject called a town
[2:04:11] conduct policy for elected appointed and
[2:04:14] staff and public meeting rules of order
[2:04:16] and procedure. That's a mouthful.
[2:04:19] If you look at his memo of February
[2:04:22] 19th,
[2:04:27] but the document itself is saying rules
[2:04:31] of order and procedures for public
[2:04:32] meetings and public hearings. So,
[2:04:34] whatever you want to call it. Okay.
[2:04:37] >> Uhhuh.
[2:04:45] » I don't have a preference. Do Do the
[2:04:47] rest of you have a preference?
[2:04:52] When is a room most available? Probably
[2:04:55] during the daytime, huh?
[2:05:05] » Parties at three.
[2:05:08] >> Well, that's that's the day, you know,
[2:05:10] Rick Rick's retirement party is 3 to 5.
[2:05:12] What if we did it right after?
[2:05:15] >> Is that too inconvenient to set the room
[2:05:17] up, though?
[2:05:21] We've got a
[2:05:24] meeting.
[2:05:38] » I was going to say that on the 27th we
[2:05:40] are um what if we did it at
[2:05:44] 10 or 11?
[2:05:51] Yeah, we knew that we won't be on the
[2:05:53] stage.
[2:05:55] >> Oh, but what? But this would be so.
[2:05:58] >> Okay.
[2:06:05] » Well, but on the 27th, we do have a meet
[2:06:09] the town manager here at one.
[2:06:14] >> But what Lisa is saying is that there
[2:06:15] will be a piano here. So, it'd be hard
[2:06:17] to see.
[2:06:17] >> I had this room booked all day and I let
[2:06:20] you guys have it
[2:06:21] >> for that, but I I really need it for the
[2:06:24] I got a contract with a pianist. Thank
[2:06:26] you.
[2:06:27] >> And this isn't real time sensitive. What
[2:06:29] if we looked at Friday um April 3rd?
[2:06:35] » Does that work?
[2:06:47] I'm thinking 10.
[2:06:49] >> Oh, after 11.
[2:06:58] » 12:30.
[2:07:01] >> Okay.
[2:07:03] >> Yes. And um somebody needs to check with
[2:07:06] Kylo on that, too,
[2:07:09] >> but I'll bet she's available.
[2:07:17] on the floor is great. Yeah.
[2:07:25] So, we said March 20,
[2:07:28] April 3rd at
[2:07:31] 12:30. Okay.
[2:07:36] And I unless there's anything else, I'll
[2:07:39] entertain a motion to
[2:07:41] Adjourn
[2:07:44] second.
[2:07:44] >> Motion by Jack, second by Randy
[2:07:46] >> Pat. I
[2:07:48] >> barb
[2:07:54] 609.