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Y'all set?

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Okay.

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5:00 somewhere. Welcome to the

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Springdale Town Council regular meeting.

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Today is Wednesday, April 8th, 2026.

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We are at the Canyon Community Center in

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Springdale, Utah. With us from the town

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we have Kendal Sagers, Nile Connolly,

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Tom Dansie, and Robin Romero. And on the

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dais from council we have Pat Campbell,

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Randy Aton, Barbara Bruno, Jack Burns,

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and Kyla Topham. And the time is 5:00.

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We'll start by reciting the Pledge of

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Allegiance.

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I

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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I'll next entertain a motion to approve

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the regular meeting agenda.

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I would like to amend the agenda to

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strike item four, Natalie Britt's

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presentation from Zion Forever.

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Thank you. Which yeah, which one was

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that, Kyla? I'm sorry. Uh number four,

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the presentation from Zion Forever. Got

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it. Thank you. She cannot make it and

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may be here next month instead. Do we

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have a second on the motion?

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I'll second. Motion by Kyla, second by

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Randy.

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Kyla, oh, who are we starting with?

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Which way?

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You start, Pat.

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>> Pat, I. Randy, I. Barbara, I. Jack, I.

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Kyla, I. Okay. And we'll start with any

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general announcements.

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Uh yeah, I think Ryan is going to make a

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few announcements on behalf of the town.

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Yes, I've got quite a few things.

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April's kind of a busy month for us.

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So, after uh

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talking about for a long time, uh it's

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now April, so we have Zion Chautauqua

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Fest coming up. That'll be held on April

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18th and 19th, and that's a Saturday,

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Sunday.

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And we want to make sure it that we're

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as clear as possible. This is going to

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be held here at the town field for the

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first time. The last few years it's been

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held down at um

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Zion Canyon Village at the entrance to

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the park. Not this year. It's going to

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be here. So, don't go there.

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Um both days of the event will start at

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10:00 a.m. and end at 8:00 p.m. Uh it

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will feature chalk art, live

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entertainment, food, a beer garden, and

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then we'll have vendors both educational

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and commercial vendors. So, it's it's

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the same as years past. It's always a

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good time.

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We are still looking for volunteers. So,

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if anybody is interested in

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volunteering, uh they can reach out to

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Robin Sanders and we'll we'll put you to

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work. So.

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Um this next one, this is on behalf of

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the park, so I wrote it down so I didn't

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mess up. Jeff's back there, he'd

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probably smack me or something. So.

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on April 20th, Zion National Park

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will host Navy Day as part of the

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America 250 anniversary and as an

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outreach effort led by the Navy Office

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of Community Outreach. As part of this,

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the Navy Brass Band will be performing

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at the OC Tanner Amphitheater on Monday,

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This concert is for all ages and is

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completely free to attend.

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following day on Tuesday, April 21st,

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that same Navy Brass Band will be

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performing down at the Town Plaza

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located at 680 Zion Park Boulevard. This

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performance will also be free and will

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also begin at 6:00 p.m. And just worth

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noting, there will be no event parking

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at this time for the performance at the

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plaza. So,

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take your bike or walk or whatever.

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Uh and then last, uh as part of the

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America 250 anniversary, the town will

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be hosting country singer Eric Dodge for

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a free community concert just here at

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the town park out by the gazebo. Uh that

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will be held on Friday, April 24th. Uh

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it will start at 6:00 p.m. and there

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will be a food truck. So, it should be a

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lot of fun. So, if you

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have people in town, bring them out. Be

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good time. So.

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Any other announcements?

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Lisa Um

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I wanted to let make sure everyone know

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that in conjunction with

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excuse me with Earth Day the Z Arts will

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be doing the

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Wild and Scenic Film Festival

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on Friday night at 7:00 p.m. for a

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feature length film.

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American Southwest and then there'll be

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on a Saturday at 11:00 and Saturday at 7:00

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will be shorts 2 hours of shorts of each

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at a time period. This is being

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supported by the town wrap tax so we

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very much appreciate it. We want to make

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sure you guys come. It's I've already

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seen some of the films and they're

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fabulous. So please if you if you need

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to know the schedule it is out on the

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zarts.org website. Thank you.

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>> And the location Lisa?

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Boberry this time. So you can bike or

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ride there maybe find a parking spot

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downtown.

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also looking for some few volunteers to

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help us at the event during those times.

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with just getting people there that

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would be great. Thank you so much. Thank

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And not to compete with Lisa's request

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for volunteers I know that Robin Sanders

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is still looking for volunteers for the

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Chalk Fest with um

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parking and

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stuff like that right? Okay.

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Any other announcements?

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want to give us an update on Zion

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National Park?

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Uh to build on on Ryan's announcement

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relative to Navy Day there will be um

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some activities in the park as well.

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museum area.

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formal flag raising

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including sailors from the historic ship

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the USS Constitution.

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activities going on. We'll have some uh

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sailors from the USS Utah here as well as a rear admiral from the

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Pacific Fleet, so

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looking forward to those events.

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Watch our social media pages. That's

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where we'll have all the activities

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Um, busy busy out there as you see and

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over. I you know

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>> No, lots of lots of folks out um

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enjoying the area.

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over 8% compared to March of 2025

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uh or February 2025, sorry.

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compared to March of 2025.

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we're up uh 10.9%.

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to April, so we'll see how that goes

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going forward. Um, a few other things of

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was the busiest that it's ever been in

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five the last 5 years at least.

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um so a lot of people

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uh coming in through the pedestrian

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entrance using the shuttle system and those sorts of things.

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between uh March last year and March

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folks have been getting out and camping

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and those kinds of things.

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Um just few other notes um

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continuing to wrap up the

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construction project in South

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Campground. A few uh things yet to clean

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to the public but um

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trying to get everything uh finished

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I have a question about Navy Day. Is

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admission free on Navy Day?

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park but the events are free. Yeah. And

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all of those events are open to the

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public, I presume.

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yep. Okay. Can you save us a parking

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bicycle and your uh

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walking on the Pa'rus Trail to get

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Are there any questions or comments

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about the council reports?

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Okay, your next item is presentation by

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Nancy Cousins and Ava Pecora regarding

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Zion Canyon fiber optics.

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I think they are both with Kim Lee Horn.

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Is that correct? Okay.

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Thank you for letting us be with you

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this evening. I'm I'm Nancy. This is Ava

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and you'll hear a little bit from both

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of us. Just wanted to give you a

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high-level overview of this project and

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that it's coming. We have yet to choose

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a contractor. Uh bids closed on Monday

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or Tuesday this week. So, give us

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another week or so and we will have a

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contractor. Once we have a contractor,

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then we will have a schedule that we'll

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be able to come back and tell you when

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construction is going to start.

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worked with the park through all of the

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environmental clearance. Everything is

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good and ready to go as far as the

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design elements and we've been able to

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factor in a lot of specific things for

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the communities along the corridor to

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help the construction be as easy and

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simple as possible even though we're

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going to be with you all summer.

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So, with that I'll turn some time over

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to Ava.

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So, this is just a general project area

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map. Um it spans from just a little bit

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west of Hurricane over to the Mount

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Carmel Junction. And you'll see that

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there are several gaps between the

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actual highlighted work zones um between

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the towns. Those are where there's

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actually existing fiber conduit. So,

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part of the mission of this project is

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to just fill in the gaps between um

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these areas along SR-9 and the Mount

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Carmel Highway. So, we'll start a little

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bit west of Hurricane. Um there's a UDot

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maintenance facility um located there.

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We'll pause once we cross SR-7 and then

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we'll pick up just a little bit east of

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Virgin and heading into Rockville,

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Springdale, and then the south entrance

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of the park.

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Um we'll finish the project by exiting

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out the East entrance um along SR-9 and

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we'll hook up to another UDot

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maintenance facility that's located

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um on along US-89 um just south of the

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Mount Carmel Junction. Ava, can you back

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up just a little bit and talk about what

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the project is? I think I think some of

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us know and some of us don't what the

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purpose is.

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>> So, it's um the fiber installation

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project. It's part of a broader UDot

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initiative to bring fiber optic

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connectivity to rural parts of the

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state. Um the fiber that will be

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installed will be supporting intelligent

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transportation systems devices. So,

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traffic cameras, um emergency management

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systems. So, for UDot?

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>> Yes. Yes.

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And this is just a little highlighted

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piece of the work that will be going on

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in Rockville and Springdale as well. Um

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I want to take a minute just to talk

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about specifically what types of work

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you'll be anticipating to see once we

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arrive in Springdale. We'll be limiting

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our work zones um to 1,500 ft, which is

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a little hard to visualize, but that's

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roughly the equivalent of just over four

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football fields if that gives you an

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idea.

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Um we'll also be um remaining in the

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shoulder um as much as we can, um but

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when we do have work in the roadways,

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we'll have flagger staff in and

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directing traffic out on site. Um we'll

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also be having mobile equipment that is

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kind of moving along the roadway. It's

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not going to be stationary. So, kind of

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a recurring um

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theme of our outreach that we've done

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actually to a lot of the businesses in

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this area today has been, you know, you

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won't see equipment parked outside your

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business for

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you know, hours um or for days at a time

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rather. You only really see them outside

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of your business for hours. So, it's

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going to be moving very fast as we

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progress into the park and then back

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along SR-9.

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And then I'm actually going to play a

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short video here. Um this was a result

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of collaboration between U Dot Central

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Communications Department

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and the park. We just wanted to nail

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down our messaging about what the

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impacts and benefits of the project

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would be, what people could expect to

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see. So, without further ado,

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U Dot presents, Our Future Runs on

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Fiber.

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Amid towering canyons shaped by the

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Virgin River, State Route 9 and the

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Zion-Mount Carmel Highway connect iconic

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landscapes with millions of visitors and

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link together thousands of full-time

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residents in nearby communities.

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To meet growing connectivity needs and

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prepare for future demand, U Dot, in

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partnership with the National Park

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Service and South Central

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Communications, is installing over 50

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miles of high-speed fiber optic cable

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along State Route 9 and the Zion-Mount

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Carmel Highway.

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This project strengthens

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» [laughter]

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» Any questions so far?

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>> Yes, a quick question.

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>> [laughter]

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>> And maybe you said that, so I might have

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missed it, but when will this start?

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Uh, so we don't have an exact

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construction start date yet. We're

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anticipating May, early June. Okay. And

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you this

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your notes say you anticipate completing

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December? Yes, end of end of December, 31st.

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>> So, you will be

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May, early June,

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etc. You you realize that's going to be

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Yes, absolutely.

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>> traffic.

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Not that it isn't right now, but

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relatively unusual for it to be this

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crazy but right right and and we'll touch on that. We have our next

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section is just about the construction

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notifications that will be deploying and

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I'll talk a little bit more about some

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of the Outreach work that we've been

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doing in the town today to get people in

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the loop about what's coming maybe if

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you could just mention the fund source

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and and

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when it ends which kind of is driving.

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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So due to some

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unanticipated delays with the government

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shutdown and the environmental

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assessment getting past

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that kind of pushed our construction

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time like back a little bit.

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Not sure.

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So if I could

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I mean we've already got

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some fiber optic in Springdale. Mhm.

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Did you say you're going to fill in the

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void?

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Yes. So the I can go back to the project

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area map too, but you'll see kind of

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some of the gaps between the areas that

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we're doing in Hurricane Rockville

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Springdale.

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So we're installing I like to liken it

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to a backbone of conduit and fiber optic

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cables and then it's up to kind of the

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internet service providers to connect

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into that and further provide that

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connection to locations. But this is

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being done for UDOT specifically for

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their own use and then they'll my

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understanding is that they'll lease the

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conduit to other providers as well, but

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this is not for residents. This is for

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UDOT.

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And they own the road, so

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they get to do it.

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But I mean it is going up Zion Canyon,

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right? Yes. Yes. And But they want the

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fiber in the they don't have it in the

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park. So but this is being driven by

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UDOT and federal funds that were

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available to do this kind of project. So

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nationwide there are a lot of fiber

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projects taking place and this is to

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provide the backbone. So, we're getting

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your basic trunk line in and then that

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last mile connectivity will be up to

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individual communities and residents and

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businesses. Whatever

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businesses are

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available in your area to do that last

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mile connection, you will get to have

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that choice. So, UDOT's job is to get

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that initial backbone structure in

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throughout the whole corridor and it

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benefits UDOT for a lot of reasons.

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That ITS networking system,

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traffic signals, messaging boards. It'll

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also benefit buses and

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safety

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transportation type things and

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ambulances, things things like that that

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we need to have in place. So, the whole

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purpose is that this big long trunk line

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corridor and the the federal funds that

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are available to do to do this expire at

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the end of the year. So, there are a lot

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of fiber projects taking place all over

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the state.

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Um so, as I mentioned, we've already

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been doing a lot of in-person outreach

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today with business owners letting them

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know what will be coming up in May,

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potentially early June. But once

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construction starts, we fully intend to

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make full use of our website, email, and

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hotline. We'll be pushing out weekly

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updates through our email address to

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folks that are signed up for our email

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list and then also reposting those on

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our website. Our hotline is available

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for residents, businesses, visitors of

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the area to contact 24/7. Um a member of

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the public involvement team will be

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answering that hotline and getting

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information for any questions that

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people may have.

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Um this is just an example of one of the

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handouts that we've deployed in our

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outreach. But once we have that

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construction start date with a

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contractor signed on, we'll be sending

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out another mailer. It'll be going to

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kind of the entire city limits of

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Springdale, Rockville, the entire length

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of the project area

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to let them know this work will be

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starting you know, May 10th 15th, you

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know, what have you once we have that

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date set in stone.

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You mentioned that the project is like

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it's a moving project. So does that mean

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you don't really have to open up

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holes in the ground or are you

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We'll still be trenching.

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So Nancy can speak to the filling

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process a little bit in more in detail

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than I could, but um

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There are several procedures that we're

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going to have in place and once we have

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the contractor on board because of our

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tight schedule, we anticipate that they

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could have multiple crews working all at

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the same time. So we likely will have

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someone in Hurricane. We may have

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someone here. We may have another crew

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in the park. One of the

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ways that they can do the trench quickly

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is like a giant wheel and that wheel

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comes in, it digs a trench, it vacuums

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out that trench at the same time. The

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fiber lays in right behind it and then

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concrete goes on top of that. So the

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moving operation can happen really quick

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especially with that with that kind of

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equipment and the contractor will need

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to have

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a close batch plant. Right now the

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closest one is down in Hurricane and the

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type of concrete we need to use, the

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high early rapid set concrete, it won't

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make it that far. Um so they will be

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approaching different areas to lease

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land for them to put a a batch plant and

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that will be up to the contractor to

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negotiate. Once we know where those

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locations are, we'll share that with you

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as well, but they will be mixing and

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batching on site so that we can get out

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of your way as quick as possible. Do you

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expect this to be a daylight only or you going to be

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working 24 hours?

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>> They have permission to work day and

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night, weekend.

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>> Okay.

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We won't know exactly how they're going

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to do that until we get their schedule.

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And again, once we have that, we will

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let you know well in advance of of

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what's going to take place. There's give

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and take of

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um how to work best with the with the

551
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park. And so there's some specific

552
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,680
limitations of when and where we will be

553
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,960
in the park for both the bridges and the

554
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,080
tunnels. So, one of the things that we

555
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:57,840
have been able to coordinate is doing a shutdown to protect the the bats

556
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,240
nesting. So, that will take place doing

557
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,840
a during a full shutdown

558
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,320
just to help protect the endangered

559
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,040
species that are up there. So, all of

560
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,800
those things have been factored in to

561
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,160
when and where and how it all fits into

562
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,240
the timeline. And once we have that

563
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,360
secured, part of our job is to come back

564
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,640
and let you know what that looks like

565
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,480
from now and and through the end of the

566
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,520
year.

567
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,880
You had mentioned earlier today that um

568
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,120
one lane traffic would remain open.

569
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:29,680
I'm trying to

570
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,680
help us realize really what this is

571
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,000
going to start to look like in

572
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,320
Springdale.

573
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,840
Um especially with all of the traffic

574
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,760
that we're you everyone's going to have

575
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,200
to deal with. And and you had mentioned

576
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,400
that it would be helpful if the town

577
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,880
could share some information

578
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,320
such as parking park parking meter data

579
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,480
to help

580
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,960
inform expectations.

581
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,480
That will help a lot because it is going

582
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,400
to be congested. And even though it's

583
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,880
moving operations, when you've got

584
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,120
equipment in one place, we're going to

585
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,520
have to take single single lanes around

586
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,240
it wherever they're working. So, there

587
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,600
will be delays and that'll be part of

588
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,160
our job to message as everywhere we can

589
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,920
anticipate delays as you're driving

590
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,200
through SR 9. Um but knowing where those

591
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,400
hot spots are is going to be really

592
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,880
helpful for us to get the contractor on

593
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,840
board to watch out for those areas and

594
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,480
make sure we're thinking ahead of the

595
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,440
best ways to utilize them. We with all

596
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,040
the businesses we've been talking to

597
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,000
today, there's street parking. There are

598
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,840
so many things that are going to have to

599
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,240
shift when the crews are coming through

600
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,720
a certain area. And I think people will

601
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,200
get frustrated cuz they're going to see

602
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,400
barrels and they're not going to see

603
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,680
anything, but we can't let anybody park

604
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,480
there because it's going to come

605
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,440
through. So, we're trying to think ahead

606
00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,510
of how to say that message. Um

607
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,120
There's There's going to be some

608
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,880
learning curves and some Good luck.

609
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,560
>> frustration as we go, but we're going to

610
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,560
do our best to be in front of it

611
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,160
wherever we can. And your input of

612
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,680
things that you might see that we don't,

613
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,920
that's invaluable to us.

614
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,840
How long do you anticipate the

615
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,920
Springdale only section to take? Do you

616
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,550
have a feel for that?

617
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,240
Uh to echo Nancy, once we have a

618
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,280
contractor kind of on deck, we'll be

619
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,320
able to We'll be attending um all of

620
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,920
their weekly kind of look ahead

621
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,520
meetings. And so, they can look at their

622
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,600
schedule or we can look at their

623
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,080
schedule up to 3 weeks in advance. Um

624
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,640
so, it's just a matter too of what

625
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,280
number of crews will have working at the

626
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,280
same time, um time of year, what's going

627
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,480
on in other sections of the project, but

628
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,560
all those factors will filter into

629
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,640
exactly how long.

630
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,200
>> Okay. We'll look forward to hearing more

631
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,680
as it goes then. Yeah, absolutely. Will

632
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,560
it also affect the sidewalks and the

633
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,520
road? Because like you said concrete, so

634
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,640
it's going under the side.

635
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,240
Yes. Okay.

636
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,720
We We know that there are areas where

637
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,680
we're going to be able to utilize your

638
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,440
trail system on the side of the road for

639
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,280
some of the trenching. Some will be on

640
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,000
the shoulder of the road. I know UDot

641
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,960
worked with I'm not sure who at the city

642
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,160
to try to preserve your beautiful new

643
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,560
asphalt as much as possible and not have

644
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,880
to dig things up again. So, you're going

645
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,680
to see sometimes they're going to be on

646
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,440
one side of the road, not particularly

647
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,000
in Springdale. I think we'll all be on

648
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,320
the east side of the road for what we're

649
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,680
doing here.

650
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,920
But, we're trying to move the design to

651
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,800
protect as much of the area as possible

652
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,670
and disturb the least amount possible.

653
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,880
It really does seem like night time

654
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,680
operations are probably going to be

655
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,000
best.

656
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,920
As much as possible. That would be That

657
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,000
would be really Yeah.

658
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,360
helpful for everybody involved, I

659
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:02,920
Yeah, and and correct me if I'm wrong,

660
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,240
too. But, um night time operations will

661
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,360
we plan to make full utilization of when

662
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:09,720
we are especially working in the Mount

663
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,160
Carmel Tunnel um just to minimize those

664
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,840
environmental impacts, but we can also

665
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,840
plan some work just outside and uh on

666
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,440
the other side of that tunnel while we

667
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,590
do that work as well.

668
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,440
And I I think I think we all have

669
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,080
concerns on when we see how quickly

670
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:36,470
traffic backs up. Mhm.

671
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,520
Well,

672
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,640
there's nowhere for anybody to go.

673
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,183
It's just

674
00:26:40,183 --> 00:26:42,160
>> [snorts]

675
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,480
>> Yeah. Yeah.

676
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:49,790
bad real fast.

677
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,800
Yes, so we're we're working closely and

678
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,560
we've already had a couple of meetings

679
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,400
with UDOT's Roads to Recreation. Um so,

680
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,760
we've been working with them closely to

681
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,560
communicate where exactly the work will

682
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,320
be taking place.

683
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Um our plan currently is once we get

684
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,880
inside of the park, we'll be working

685
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,000
very closely, and we already have with

686
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,840
the park to message those impacts, those

687
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240
larger scale um traffic shifts that are

688
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,240
going to be taking place. But, outside

689
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,840
of the park, Roads to Recreation is

690
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,520
going to kind of be our main go-to point

691
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,480
of contact um as far as how we message

692
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,680
where traffic impacts will be happening.

693
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,840
Um we'll also be when our contractor is

694
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,680
uh signed on, we'll also be working with

695
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,080
a traffic management app. It's called

696
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,080
One Network. Um so, our public

697
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,280
involvement staff is trained and briefed

698
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,200
in how to uh

699
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,200
kind of put up those updates. It's a

700
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,880
traffic management software um that will

701
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,920
work directly with the contractor to

702
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,520
implement. Um they'll be able to kind of

703
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,680
on-site label where the closures will be

704
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,280
um in real time. So, that's another just

705
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,160
tool that people will have to use to

706
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,360
learn more about what the traffic

707
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:55,960
impacts will be.

708
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,880
Trying to reach every driver and visitor

709
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,880
is really a challenge. So, we have put

710
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,200
together a a large

711
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,920
database of uh

712
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,120
all throughout the Salt Lake Valley and

713
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,040
Southern Utah, every recreation outlet,

714
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,400
every

715
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,880
fishing group, guide, every recreation

716
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,880
business that we can find, we are adding

717
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,000
them to our list as well as Convention

718
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
and Visitors Bureau. Every outlet that

719
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,760
we can think of to get the message out

720
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,080
in advance, we're trying to do that. And

721
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,840
then, we're relying on all of our

722
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,800
partners once we have social media or an

723
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,160
update, please share that broadly with

724
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,760
everyone that you can think of because

725
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,400
if we can really plant the seed that it

726
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,070
is going to be impactful this summer.

727
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,480
I don't know if it'll help or not.

728
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,360
>> It's It's sounds to me like you've covered as many bases as you can.

729
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Yeah. Probably gone above and beyond.

730
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,840
And in my estimation, coming from places

731
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,080
where this kind of thing happens all the

732
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,520
time, this is the price of doing

733
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,640
business.

734
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,880
I think we're just going to have to grin

735
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,480
and bear it.

736
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,440
Thank you. And yes, we have, but we may

737
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,360
have missed something, so feel free to

738
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:20,110
share.

739
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,960
Any additional questions, things we can

740
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,280
speak to?

741
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,120
Okay.

742
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,720
Sounds like we're good, and we'll look

743
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,280
forward to hearing more. Thank you.

744
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,270
Absolutely. Thank you guys all so much.

745
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,840
We'll We'll leave some of these info

746
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,040
cards for you, too. Okay. That'd be

747
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,040
great.

748
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Thanks again.

749
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,280
And the next item on the agenda is

750
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,680
community comments. Um if you have a

751
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,200
comment, please step up to the

752
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,400
microphone, state your name, and we'll

753
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,400
time the comments for 3 minutes. So,

754
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,400
um

755
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,640
we will not be taking questions. We've

756
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,840
made a change in our policy, and it's

757
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,080
too much like deliberating to be

758
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,960
answering questions. So, if you have

759
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,000
questions, we look forward to answering

760
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,800
those one-on-one outside of the meeting,

761
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,280
or you're welcome to contact staff. But

762
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,640
you're welcome to make any comments

763
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,590
you'd like now.

764
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,080
Looks like there are none. We'll go to

765
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,920
the consent agenda. Entertain a motion

766
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,640
to approve the consent agenda, which

767
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,160
includes a review of the monthly

768
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,000
purchasing report,

769
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,240
minutes of January 28th and February

770
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,720
11th, 2026,

771
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,520
proclamation 2026-01,

772
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,520
a proclamation designating April 24th,

773
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120
2026 as Arbor Day in the town of

774
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,520
Springdale,

775
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,520
proclamation 2026-02,

776
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,200
a proclamation designating April 13th to

777
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,920
April 20th, 2026 as Dark Sky Week in the

778
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,720
town of Springdale,

779
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,160
proclamation 2026-3

780
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,600
proclaiming April 2026 as National Child

781
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,720
Abuse Prevention Month in Springdale,

782
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Utah,

783
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,240
and proclamation 2026-04

784
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,600
proclaiming April 20th, 2026 as Navy

785
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,840
Day.

786
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080
I move to approve the consent agenda.

787
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Second it. Motion by Jack and second by

788
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Pat. Pat, I. Randy, I. Robert, I. Jack,

789
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,160
I. Kyla, I.

790
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,440
Okay, our next item is in legislative

791
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840
item. It's ordinance 2026-11,

792
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,560
an ordinance enacting the Utah Community

793
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,360
Clean Energy Program in the town of

794
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,400
Springdale. And I think this will be a

795
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,840
joint presentation by Tom Dansie and

796
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,600
Randy Eaton.

797
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,910
And Kyla is on the committee, also.

798
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,960
That's correct. And and my portion of

799
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,440
this presentation is saying

800
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,520
Randy and Kyla

801
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,400
>> Take it, Randy.

802
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,240
>> to be giving the presentation. So, go

803
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,960
ahead. Okay.

804
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,160
I

805
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,920
We've got some slides uh that the Utah

806
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,040
Renewable Communities

807
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,560
put together. There's a [clears throat]

808
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,160
lot of

809
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,720
information in these slides.

810
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,840
And as we go through these slides,

811
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,520
you're

812
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,840
you might have some questions.

813
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,080
I would suggest that you wait till the

814
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,600
end because some of the questions you

815
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,280
might come up with

816
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,000
could be answered by some of the later slides. So, if we can go

817
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,760
through it, if you can kind of

818
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,440
remember your questions, if your memory

819
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,440
is better than me, write them down if

820
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,840
you're like me,

821
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,480
uh and then we'll try to answer them at

822
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,350
the end.

823
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,000
Okay. So,

824
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,760
the Utah Communities Renewable

825
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,400
Communities

826
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,680
is an organization of 19 different

827
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,360
communities that have come together to

828
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,040
um

829
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,640
to address

830
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,920
uh statute passed by the state in 2019,

831
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,080
which allows these communities to come

832
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,760
together with

833
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,760
our local uh provider, which is Rocky

834
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Mountain Power,

835
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,480
and

836
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,160
uh

837
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,400
create renewable energy so that in those

838
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,947
19 communities

839
00:33:07,947 --> 00:33:07,960
>> [snorts]

840
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,240
>> uh

841
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,560
we will put it we will

842
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,560
contract with renewable developers

843
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,960
to create enough energy so that all the

844
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,440
energy in Springdale

845
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,400
will be coming from renewable sources.

846
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,880
Uh so uh

847
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,360
this has kind of jumped

848
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,960
uh to different names and in 2024, the

849
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,720
legislature decided that they like the

850
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,800
name Community Clean Energy Program.

851
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,920
Uh so that's what it is. We still

852
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,920
uh will still be talking about maybe the

853
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,040
renewable

854
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,400
the Utah Renewable Community Program.

855
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,920
They're they're sort of interchangeable,

856
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,400
but that is what the state legislature

857
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,240
2024 came up with.

858
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,480
Uh we will be

859
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,200
um

860
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,040
hopefully approving an ordinance

861
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,480
tonight.

862
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,720
And that ordinance name and number is

863
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,080
the ordinance number is 2026-11.

864
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,280
It's an ordinance of the town of

865
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,480
Springdale enacting title and chapter 7,

866
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,720
title 8, and chapter 7 to the Springdale

867
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:22,600
Town Code. Community Clean Energy

868
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,480
Program.

869
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,679
So this these

870
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,760
slides hopefully will uh educate

871
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,200
everybody on that program, answers

872
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,000
questions that you might have about that

873
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,440
program.

874
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,800
Uh Kyla and I have been

875
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,520
uh on

876
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,639
all of the meetings. We uh

877
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,600
Springdale had decided early on there

878
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,520
were three different committees that we

879
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,960
set up with the uh

880
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,000
with the Utah renewable communities.

881
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,240
Uh one was a program design, one was low

882
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,520
income, and the other one was

883
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,040
communications. I kind of felt like the

884
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,760
best input I could have and we could

885
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,080
have was be in the program design. So,

886
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,080
we've been attending all the program

887
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,440
design except and also all the the board

888
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,920
meetings, which are

889
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,680
once a month. The program design

890
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,600
meetings are twice a month.

891
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,600
Except Well, that's pretty recent. We

892
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,960
were meeting weekly for a while.

893
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,840
Cuz I feel like you deserve that credit.

894
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,560
Yeah, we have

895
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,560
>> that for 7 years, every week. Yeah, so 7

896
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,960
days, yeah.

897
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,080
So, we've earned our money.

898
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,950
All right, next slide, please.

899
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,160
Okay, so this is kind of an outline of

900
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,280
what I'm going to go through. The rest

901
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,240
of the slides are going to cover this.

902
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:40,960
Uh

903
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,120
what is a community clean energy

904
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,640
program?

905
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,640
Uh

906
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,120
PSC is the Public Service Commission.

907
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,400
We had to get this program approved by

908
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,520
them and we did.

909
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,640
Um

910
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,680
and it was a combination of Rocky

911
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,280
Mountain Power and us presenting that

912
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,480
program to the PSC.

913
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,120
Uh

914
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,320
I'll talk about the uh anticipated

915
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,880
timeline.

916
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,760
Uh the program ordinance

917
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,720
uh we'll discuss that and then

918
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,200
um

919
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,840
we will

920
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,400
as a council discuss and whether this is

921
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,560
the right thing for Springdale to do.

922
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,560
There as it says, there are 19

923
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,800
communities involved in this.

924
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,690
Uh Uh this statute was passed in 2019.

925
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:29,960
>> [clears throat]

926
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,240
>> Originally, 23 communities expressed an

927
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:35,400
interest in doing and being part of this

928
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,720
program.

929
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,600
Uh

930
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,240
and then when it came time to adopt the

931
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,200
utility agreement,

932
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,360
uh there were only 18 communities that

933
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,160
stayed in it.

934
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,480
And the statute read that the program

935
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,080
was going to close at a certain time.

936
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,000
And then in 2024,

937
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,240
they decided to open it up again. So,

938
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:04,000
one more community, Midvale, joined.

939
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,830
Next slide.

940
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:07,960
All right.

941
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,240
It's It is a brand new program.

942
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,760
Uh it's giving Utah an stability to

943
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,080
choose clean energy, clean, reliable,

944
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,200
and affordable energy through our

945
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,720
electricity provider. This is Rocky

946
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,480
Mountain Power.

947
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,360
It is a partnership between Rocky

948
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,040
Mountain Power and the Utah

949
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,120
renewable community.

950
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,000
And we have been working together with

951
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,280
them

952
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,920
all 7 years. We've been having

953
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,320
uh

954
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,480
frequent meetings with them

955
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,880
uh to to get this program put together.

956
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,440
Uh we finally

957
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,440
felt like we had the program right. We

958
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:50,920
uh we took it to the Public Service

959
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,880
Commission on

960
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,440
in March.

961
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,240
And on March 4th, they approved it, the

962
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,000
program.

963
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,120
Um so,

964
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,720
the way this program works

965
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,400
is in all these 19 communities, what we

966
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,480
decided to do was have an opt-out

967
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,200
program.

968
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,240
What happens is once we sign this

969
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,720
ordinance,

970
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,080
every resident and business in the the

971
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,160
is automatically going to be opt in to

972
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,110
this program.

973
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,000
And I will talk about you will have

974
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200
opportunities to opt out.

975
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,320
Uh I'll talk about that, but that's an

976
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,200
important part of this is uh everybody

977
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,840
in these communities once each community

978
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,520
signs this final ordinance will be opted

979
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,000
in to the program automatically.

980
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,640
Um so

981
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,080
clean energy uh Utah is

982
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,720
I mean the whole country probably, but

983
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,920
Utah specifically is uh their their

984
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,840
energy needs are growing.

985
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,480
And Rocky Mountain Power has a portfolio

986
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,640
now

987
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,800
that's uh a combination of fossil fuel

988
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,560
uh power stations and renewable sources.

989
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,760
Uh renewable sources could be solar,

990
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,000
could be wind, could be hydro. Uh there

991
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,720
are a number of new renewable sources,

992
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:20,680
but

993
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,960
uh the um

994
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,320
their portfolio

995
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,480
uh

996
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,480
and I will talk a little bit later about

997
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,720
what that is, but it's a combination of

998
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,080
those two things, fossil and renewable.

999
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,870
Next slide.

1000
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,800
Okay.

1001
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,800
So

1002
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,720
uh our goal is

1003
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:48,080
uh to develop clean energy

1004
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,200
uh and still keep the program accessible

1005
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,360
to our residents and businesses.

1006
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,600
And we need to build enough resources,

1007
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,840
renewable resources so that we can cover

1008
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,080
our part of the energy

1009
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,920
uh that is not

1010
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,120
uh being covered by renewable sources

1011
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,520
that Rocky Mountain Power already has in

1012
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,280
their program.

1013
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,200
So

1014
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,160
when you look at this graph and you look

1015
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:28,560
over at year number one, is going to be 2027.

1016
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,320
That's when the program um starts, when

1017
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,840
ratepayers are going to start seeing

1018
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,320
uh a charge on their bill for this.

1019
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,840
So, in year one,

1020
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,280
we're we're basically looking at

1021
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,680
uh this the portfolio that Rocky Mountain Power

1022
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,160
now has.

1023
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,480
Uh you can see the traditional sources

1024
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,440
there are again fossil plants,

1025
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,440
coal-fired, oil, gas,

1026
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,000
that sort of thing.

1027
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,280
Uh the renewable

1028
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,560
uh

1029
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,040
in the grid, that's approximately what

1030
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,120
they have right now, and then we're

1031
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,800
going to add

1032
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,600
this little bit of renewable and we're

1033
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,320
going to increase,

1034
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,640
as you can see in the green, we're going

1035
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,440
to be increasing

1036
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,120
uh because we won't the whole idea is

1037
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,880
that the the rate

1038
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,400
uh the extra charge that we are going to

1039
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,560
be uh charging all of our customers

1040
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,200
is [clears throat] going to help us pay

1041
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,640
uh for these developers

1042
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,880
to build these uh renewable plants,

1043
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,200
whether they're

1044
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,440
solar, wind, whatever.

1045
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,560
And because our program will be be new

1046
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,320
in 2027, we're only going to be uh

1047
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,880
collecting a certain amount that uh it

1048
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,120
will be indicative of the amount of

1049
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,960
renewable that we will be able to bring

1050
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480
online that year. And then, as you can

1051
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,400
see, we will be increasing each year,

1052
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,720
we'll be increasing the amount of

1053
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,360
renewable energy we will be adding to

1054
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,440
this.

1055
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Uh the goal is by year four, which is

1056
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,040
2030,

1057
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,200
that we will have uh in Springdale and

1058
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,480
in all the 19 communities that are part

1059
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,280
of this program uh, we will be putting

1060
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,440
enough uh, renewable in the system to

1061
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,120
cover our energy that's not already

1062
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,960
covered by what Rocky Mountain Power

1063
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,400
uh, has in their system already.

1064
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,720
Can I Can I clarify two things, right?

1065
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:33,240
>> Yeah.

1066
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:34,720
Um,

1067
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,880
even though the amount of energy that we

1068
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,360
are going to be procuring is going to

1069
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,720
increase, the bill

1070
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:45,400
will not increase.

1071
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,080
The rate on that we pay as residents is

1072
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,240
not going to increase. It's going to

1073
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,920
stay stable. At $4, if anything, we

1074
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,200
might see it go down after a while.

1075
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,160
Yeah, and we'll get there. But But you

1076
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,960
said something that kind of

1077
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,000
increase It doesn't increase the bill.

1078
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,120
It

1079
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,400
>> It doesn't increase That's a good point.

1080
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,160
That's a good clarification.

1081
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,920
>> being seen the um the what what

1082
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,240
resources we can um get. And then the

1083
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,640
second thing that I don't want people to

1084
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,440
be mistaken about is

1085
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,360
there are not solar or wind farms coming

1086
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,680
to Springdale.

1087
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,640
These These uh,

1088
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,680
resources are not located in Springdale.

1089
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Yeah, yeah, they probably generally

1090
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,840
won't be in any of these 19 communities.

1091
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,280
They will be on the West Desert. Uh,

1092
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,480
places like that where solar and wind

1093
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,400
were where there's land available, where

1094
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,400
there's um sun and wind available.

1095
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,790
Okay, next slide.

1096
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,880
Okay, so right now, Rocky Mountain Power

1097
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,520
does have some has some renewable energy

1098
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,040
uh, options. Uh, one of them is Blue

1099
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Sky.

1100
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,320
Uh, and Blue Sky allows participants to

1101
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,760
voluntarily contribute $1.95 per 100 kW

1102
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,720
hour block

1103
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,400
uh, to support renewable energy. And the

1104
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,760
way they do this is

1105
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,640
uh that goes to grants to help

1106
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,240
organization

1107
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,200
offset the cost for rooftop solar.

1108
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:18,760
Uh

1109
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,760
and it also funds the purchase of

1110
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,400
renewable energy credits. Now, RECs are

1111
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,360
something that are

1112
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,880
I don't want to get into that cuz that's

1113
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,400
very complicated and they could be

1114
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,760
buying these RECs from Missouri

1115
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,920
or some other state.

1116
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,480
Uh but that's what Blue Sky does.

1117
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,240
Subscribe Solar is another renewable

1118
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,400
option that Rocky Mountain Power has

1119
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,560
right now.

1120
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,240
Uh and [clears throat] it's specifically

1121
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,480
for one 20-MW solar farm in southern

1122
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,880
Utah.

1123
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Uh and right now the

1124
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,160
participation is capped in that.

1125
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,240
Um so,

1126
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:02,360
if you're somebody who wants to do

1127
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,760
renewable, who wants to support this,

1128
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,720
what can you do? Well, you do what I did

1129
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:12,160
back in 2013. I bought solar panels and

1130
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,400
I got on their program at that point,

1131
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,680
but for a lot of people, that's very

1132
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,560
uh

1133
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,360
financially prohibitive to do. Even if

1134
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,200
you want to

1135
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,600
uh if you wanted uh support renewable,

1136
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,000
it's it's expensive to go down that

1137
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,560
route.

1138
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,720
Um

1139
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,000
so, what this program does, it allows

1140
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,600
you for a very

1141
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,600
small price to support renewable energy.

1142
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,160
And and I'll talk more about the price.

1143
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,280
Uh we're going to get to that in one of

1144
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,280
the other slides, so you'll have some

1145
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,150
idea of what that is.

1146
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,710
Okay, next slide.

1147
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,240
Okay, this is kind of the process that

1148
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,880
we've been going through as

1149
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,720
uh as this got started, uh, number one was

1150
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,680
uh, the Utah State Legislature in 2019

1151
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,320
passing this

1152
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,280
uh, program, the statute that allows

1153
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,520
communities to get together with uh,

1154
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,800
with Rocky Mountain Power and put some

1155
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,880
sort of program together.

1156
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,880
Uh, a good friend of mine used to live

1157
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,440
around here.

1158
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,350
Um,

1159
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,800
Julie Haddock. Sorry.

1160
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,080
Uh, she she called me and told me about

1161
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,360
this program and I went, "Wow." And I

1162
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,080
looked at it and uh, I thought this was

1163
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,520
perfect for Springdale. So, I brought it

1164
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,880
to the council in December of 2019

1165
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,640
and uh, the council decided this was a

1166
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,600
good idea, so we passed a resolution in

1167
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,400
2019

1168
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,880
signaling that we wanted to be part of

1169
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,280
this program.

1170
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,880
So, that's how we kind of got into this

1171
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,480
and how I got started for us.

1172
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,840
Um, so that was

1173
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,840
item number two.

1174
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,960
Uh, then we got to uh, the point where

1175
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,200
we were signing a governance agreement

1176
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,280
and the utility agreements.

1177
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,960
And this was another serious step to

1178
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,120
take.

1179
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,640
And uh, there obviously was some time

1180
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,280
involved in this and you know, as we

1181
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:35,720
know uh, councils change personnel and

1182
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,280
uh, it's very possible of these

1183
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,480
uh, 23 communities and the five

1184
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,000
communities of those 23 that originally

1185
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,800
didn't want to be a a part of this

1186
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,840
uh, the council might have changed or

1187
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,880
they might have looked at it a little

1188
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,800
bit more and gotten feedback.

1189
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,240
And those communities did not sign the

1190
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:55,680
governance agreement and the utility

1191
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,360
agreement. We did.

1192
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,480
Uh we signed the utility agreement

1193
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,400
in 2021,

1194
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:12,470
I believe.

1195
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,840
May May 12th, 2021. Thank you.

1196
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,480
I did tell you that number. I just

1197
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,520
couldn't remember it that day.

1198
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:21,840
So,

1199
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,920
2029, we signed the utility agreement

1200
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,200
saying, "Yep, Springdale wants to be

1201
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,720
part of this."

1202
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:28,320
Uh

1203
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,720
and then

1204
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,240
the uh URC, I'm just going to cuz that's

1205
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,760
easier than Utah Renewable Communities

1206
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,200
for me. URC uh

1207
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,280
then sat down and really started

1208
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,680
going through uh the detail of uh

1209
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,640
figuring out how this program's going to

1210
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,160
work.

1211
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,480
And anybody that's ever dealt with a

1212
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,040
utility before knows that there is

1213
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,960
a lot of

1214
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,360
crossing t's and dotting i's and

1215
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,280
commas and semicolons and

1216
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,440
exclamation parts points involved. So,

1217
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,720
uh it was it was a lot of work.

1218
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,640
But finally, we both

1219
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,320
uh URC and Rocky Mountain Power both

1220
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,000
felt like we had a good program that we

1221
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,000
could bring back to the Public uh

1222
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,600
Utility Commission

1223
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,880
or Public Service Commission, excuse me.

1224
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,640
So, we finally in March uh we brought it

1225
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,440
to or we

1226
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,990
uh excuse me, and it

1227
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,200
in

1228
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,400
2025, we we filed it with the RMP

1229
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,480
or excuse me, filed RMP and us filed it

1230
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,880
with the Public Service Commission. And

1231
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,880
they, of course,

1232
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,360
uh went through a lot of rigmarole, but

1233
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,080
finally on March 4th, uh the Public

1234
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,720
Service Commission

1235
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:04,680
uh

1236
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,520
signed and approved the agreement, and

1237
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,990
that started the clock.

1238
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,160
Each of the 19 communities now have 90

1239
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,720
days, or by June 2nd, in which they

1240
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,680
finally they have to approve this final

1241
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:23,960
ordinance.

1242
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,560
Uh we're

1243
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,600
we could be the very If we pass this

1244
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,080
tonight, we'll be the first community uh

1245
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,880
to pass this ordinance.

1246
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,560
Others are scheduled, some of them this

1247
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,920
month, some of them next month.

1248
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,800
Uh but we could be the first one to pass

1249
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,080
this.

1250
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,880
So, that's where we are at uh step

1251
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,920
number seven right now. Next slide,

1252
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:49,270
please.

1253
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,920
Okay, that's kind of what I've been

1254
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,320
saying.

1255
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,080
Um

1256
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,480
uh they approved the order on March 4th.

1257
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,560
It

1258
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,280
went through all the details of how this

1259
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,400
program's going to work. It set a rate

1260
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,520
uh

1261
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,440
of how much

1262
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,920
uh or is going to be charged both

1263
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,760
residents and non-residents. I'll talk

1264
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,360
about that in a in a few minutes.

1265
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,840
Uh

1266
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:25,710
and um

1267
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:29,070
So,

1268
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,720
we are at the point right now where

1269
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:32,680
um

1270
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,760
we have um

1271
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,880
as the Utah Renewable Communities

1272
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,760
our part of this was to go out and

1273
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,560
uh create an RFP to get

1274
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,160
um

1275
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,480
developers

1276
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,800
to bid

1277
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,400
for this program to be to supply energy

1278
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,080
for this program.

1279
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,470
Next slide.

1280
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,320
So, here's the timeline I've kind of

1281
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,120
been talking about.

1282
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,200
Ordinance adoption.

1283
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,560
Um

1284
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,280
we've got we've got some bids. Uh we've

1285
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,440
gone through a process of weeding those

1286
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,440
bids down us and Rocky Mountain Power.

1287
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Uh

1288
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,720
so

1289
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:19,640
uh

1290
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,040
the

1291
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,560
implementation date that they're talking

1292
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,790
about here right now.

1293
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,200
All of us, as I said, are going to be

1294
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,080
opted into this program.

1295
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:34,800
Uh

1296
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,400
probably starting November 2nd.

1297
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,240
All of us

1298
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,800
as residents in these communities are

1299
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,480
going to bill get a bill from Rocky

1300
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,040
Mountain Power

1301
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,760
and it's going to say

1302
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:48,926
uh

1303
00:52:48,926 --> 00:52:49,800
>> [snorts]

1304
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,000
>> this

1305
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,080
URC program

1306
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,000
uh is starting at going to be starting

1307
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,400
up at in the first of next year.

1308
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,840
Uh it's going to cost this much extra

1309
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,480
for you.

1310
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,160
Uh

1311
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,280
if you don't want to do it,

1312
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,400
you can opt out.

1313
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,480
And at that point, you can opt out for

1314
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,680
free. So, you're going to get a notice

1315
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,280
on your November

1316
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,560
uh bill. You're going to get a notice on

1317
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,240
your December bill from Rocky Mountain

1318
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,840
Power.

1319
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,560
Two notices

1320
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,000
that

1321
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,320
uh let everybody give everybody

1322
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,120
a the

1323
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,840
possibility to opt out if they don't

1324
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,720
want to be part of this program.

1325
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,600
And there will be no

1326
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:34,320
uh

1327
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,160
termination charge.

1328
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,280
In addition to that,

1329
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,320
once the

1330
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:40,880
uh

1331
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,040
January 1st, your next bill then will

1332
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,640
have the rate on it.

1333
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,480
And your next bill will include that

1334
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,320
rate.

1335
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,880
And so,

1336
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,040
for the four months after that,

1337
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,960
if you start

1338
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,720
um

1339
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,640
and you're paying this and you decide,

1340
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:02,840
you know, I'm just not comfortable with

1341
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,160
this,

1342
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,040
then you can still opt out for free.

1343
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,600
After that four months,

1344
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,600
you can opt out, but there's a

1345
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,920
termination fee and we'll talk about

1346
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,840
that.

1347
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,510
Okay, next slide.

1348
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,520
Here's the meat of it. What's this going

1349
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,760
to cost?

1350
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,160
So,

1351
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,320
uh

1352
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,360
the Public Service Commission

1353
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,520
has decided that they want a flat rate

1354
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,400
for residential customers in these 19

1355
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,840
communities.

1356
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,280
And that flat rate is going to be $4 a

1357
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,560
month

1358
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,800
above your normal fee. And what what is

1359
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,560
that How they get that $4? Well, $3.88

1360
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,040
of that

1361
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,560
goes toward the program, goes toward

1362
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,880
uh

1363
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:10,080
getting renewable sources, uh solar power, wind power, whatever we decide.

1364
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,680
12 cents of that is a surcharge

1365
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,000
for the low-income

1366
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,240
customers.

1367
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,040
And what's that mean?

1368
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,080
So, in all of our communities,

1369
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,240
there are certain people that are part

1370
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:28,280
of heat or or here It's help.

1371
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,440
Heat and help. Heat and help to

1372
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,040
low-income

1373
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,960
for utility customers that help them

1374
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,920
with their bills to be able to pay their

1375
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,880
bills.

1376
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,840
We don't want those low-income customers

1377
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,040
to have an additional $4 on their bill.

1378
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,120
So, what we have said and what the

1379
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,760
Public Service Commission has said is

1380
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,680
that all the eligible customers

1381
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,560
uh who are not in one of these

1382
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,840
low-income programs,

1383
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,320
you will help pay their bill so that

1384
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,480
they don't see any income in or any

1385
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,000
increase in their bill.

1386
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,160
So,

1387
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,160
they can be part of this program for

1388
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,960
nothing.

1389
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,640
And we want the we want the more people

1390
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,310
we can we want in this program.

1391
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:25,510
Okay, next slide.

1392
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,400
And this just talks about who the

1393
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,000
low-income

1394
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:30,840
uh

1395
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,760
people are and what what programs they

1396
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,560
might be in.

1397
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,360
And how they qualified uh

1398
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,720
to be low-income. And if they're not in

1399
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,000
one of those programs right now, you can

1400
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,760
as Skyler said, you can apply directly

1401
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,480
to Rocky Mountain Power

1402
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,880
uh in their help program

1403
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,160
and get into it.

1404
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,590
Next slide.

1405
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,680
All right, how about businesses?

1406
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,680
Non-residential customers. This is what

1407
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,160
they're going to be paying.

1408
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,880
Um

1409
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,760
less than

1410
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,560
a cent a kilowatt hour.

1411
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,040
Uh

1412
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,240
plus

1413
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:11,880
well, actually

1414
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,920
more than a cent. A cent plus point

1415
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,760
0.0069.

1416
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,560
So, if they put their

1417
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,640
uh low income in.

1418
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,400
And and this this is just gives kind of

1419
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,280
an example scenario of what that means

1420
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,640
for a business. Say medium office

1421
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,400
building using

1422
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,240
uh 6880 kilowatts

1423
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:34,880
uh

1424
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,320
per month.

1425
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,400
Um without their program, their bill

1426
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,520
would normally be 847.39.

1427
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,080
With the program, they would have to pay

1428
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,520
an extra $42 for the program for being

1429
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,400
in the program.

1430
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,480
And that's approximately a 5% increase

1431
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,950
from what they're paying right now.

1432
00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:02,150
Next slide.

1433
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,560
Now, I want to

1434
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,760
I'm going to talk a little bit and it's

1435
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,760
not quite on this.

1436
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,080
Um

1437
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,680
but I'm going to talk a little bit about

1438
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:12,880
this

1439
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,000
program rate.

1440
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,910
Um

1441
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,160
Rocky Mountain Power and uh the Public

1442
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,440
Service Commission and the Utah

1443
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,600
renewable communities

1444
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,240
recognize

1445
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,080
that as that one

1446
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,440
slide showed with we're going to build

1447
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,840
up be building up resources

1448
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,480
uh that at some point we will have all

1449
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,320
the resources we need.

1450
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,520
So, we don't need a lot of money

1451
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,600
in the program rate

1452
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,400
uh to get more resources cuz we got

1453
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,880
them. We still will need some money to

1454
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,880
keep the program running.

1455
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,080
Um so

1456
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,280
this is what the P Public Service

1457
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,760
Commission's order said. I'm going to

1458
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,560
read this. While further program rates

1459
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,720
may diverge from those under a Rocky

1460
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,040
Mountain Power's

1461
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,310
proposed proposal contingent

1462
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,480
under as proposed against later

1463
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,360
determinations

1464
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,640
regarding resource valuation and changes

1465
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,280
to other and underlying program. This is

1466
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,200
the

1467
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,720
important. No evidence in the records

1468
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,720
suggests that the program rates are

1469
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,000
likely to meaningfully increase from the

1470
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,720
initial rates the $4

1471
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,720
that's approved by this order.

1472
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,600
Instead, under Rockingham Power's

1473
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,320
proposal, they would decrease rather

1474
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,720
significantly after the first two and I

1475
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,320
would add maybe three years depending

1476
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,560
on what we had to do for resources.

1477
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,560
So,

1478
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,520
we have one of the costs that

1479
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,080
or one of the things that we've done as

1480
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:56,920
a

1481
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:57,520
um

1482
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:02,830
the URC has done, we hired two

1483
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,240
entities that kind of help us cuz one

1484
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,600
was a law firm to help us through the

1485
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,720
intricacies of getting this thing drawn

1486
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,000
up. The other one is was called uh

1487
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,360
Energy Strategies, is that

1488
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,120
And these are the guys that got down

1489
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,160
with the nuts and bolts and said,

1490
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,760
"This is

1491
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,760
what your program's going to cost. This

1492
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,280
is how much per month is probably going

1493
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,520
to cost to do and and to get these

1494
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,280
resources, this is what you're going to

1495
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,160
cost." So, when Energy Resources

1496
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,560
kind of ran through the numbers

1497
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,760
of

1498
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,800
uh and and

1499
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,560
you know, these these rates are kind of

1500
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,480
determined on one of the things that uh

1501
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,790
that Energy Strategies

1502
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,120
found uh with similar programs is they

1503
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,560
said,

1504
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,880
"We think that you can expect an 80%

1505
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,520
residential

1506
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,350
um

1507
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,840
participation participation. Thank you.

1508
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,560
Looking for the word. Participation in

1509
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,920
this program. 20% won't for one reason

1510
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,200
or the other.

1511
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,440
Um

1512
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,120
and there was like a 5% or something

1513
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,840
five if it was a small

1514
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,480
smaller percentage of businesses and and

1515
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,040
industry that would be staying this

1516
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,840
program, but

1517
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:25,960
um

1518
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,520
so

1519
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,080
Energy Strategies then took those

1520
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,440
numbers and took the the $4

1521
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,440
and kind of figured out, "Okay,

1522
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,480
by

1523
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,680
2 years, maybe 3 at the most,

1524
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,280
uh we will be done

1525
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,760
for the majority of this, and that $4

1526
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,960
they say will probably go down to 25

1527
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,760
cents a month to stay in this program."

1528
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,840
Uh Public Service Commission is not

1529
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,360
saying that

1530
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,880
uh officially. I'm not saying that's

1531
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,400
exactly where they're going to happen.

1532
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,200
I'm just telling you that's what our

1533
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,480
consultant, when they looked at

1534
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,040
everything, that's what they thought

1535
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,680
that residents would be looking at after

1536
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,360
two, maybe three years of dropping down

1537
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,520
to that kind of thing. So

1538
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,560
if you want to support renewable energy,

1539
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,520
you know, I put solar panels on. I paid

1540
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,480
thousands of dollars put those solar

1541
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,320
panels on cuz I was committed to new

1542
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,080
renewable energy. It would cost most of

1543
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,280
the other people in Springdale,

1544
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,320
uh if you want to stay in this program,

1545
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,790
150 bucks

1546
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,760
to be part of this program.

1547
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,760
I think that is a a small amount um

1548
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:46,560
to do what we can to uh offset climate

1549
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,320
change.

1550
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,680
Next.

1551
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,070
Stop.

1552
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,120
So, I've gone over this one, the the

1553
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,080
opt-out.

1554
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,320
Um

1555
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,920
two months, first two months billing

1556
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,960
cycles, November, December,

1557
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,640
you can opt out for nothing. The four

1558
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,160
months, once the bills start coming in

1559
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,280
with the rate increase on them, you'll

1560
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,040
have four billing cycles uh where you

1561
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,080
still can opt out

1562
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,600
and not have a charge. After that,

1563
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,960
uh the cancel to cancel

1564
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:29,190
there will be a $30 termination fee for residential customers.

1565
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,720
And the termination fee for businesses

1566
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,880
kind of depend on on their rate

1567
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,350
schedule.

1568
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,520
What if you move? Or what if a new

1569
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,600
customer comes in?

1570
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,120
Uh

1571
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,720
you know, you're not going to get if you

1572
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,040
move, you're not going to get a

1573
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:54,430
termination fee.

1574
01:03:54,440 --> 01:04:00,630
Okay, next slide.

1575
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,840
Okay, our ordinance,

1576
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,120
as I said,

1577
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,600
is each community has to has to pass

1578
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,640
this ordinance and and we have one on

1579
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,720
the books tonight. And what we're going

1580
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,720
to be discussing and what we want to

1581
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:22,070
pass is ordinance 2026-11.

1582
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,600
Um and hopefully the other communities

1583
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:25,880
will

1584
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:33,550
have theirs by June 2nd. Next slide.

1585
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,800
Uh I talked about

1586
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,920
uh our attorney, the attorney we've been

1587
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,400
using Dodge Russell and

1588
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,280
something we started out with.

1589
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,800
Uh

1590
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,600
I can't remember Dodge's first name, but

1591
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,520
he was very experienced in uh energy

1592
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,480
related matters and then his uh one of

1593
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:57,800
his

1594
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,160
um

1595
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:00,800
partners, Phil Russell, has been the one

1596
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,600
that we've been working with on this.

1597
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,160
URC has been working with and and he's

1598
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,680
handled all the drafting of the

1599
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,800
ordinance.

1600
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,400
Uh and

1601
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,480
uh all the different municipal attorneys

1602
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,800
have have looked over these ordinance.

1603
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,320
Our attorney was on one of the meetings

1604
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,640
when we finally had an ordinance uh that

1605
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,160
was sort of finalized. They looked over

1606
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,240
the ordinance. They've approved it. It's

1607
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,080
gone through them.

1608
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,920
Uh they're fine with us

1609
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:37,630
uh doing this tonight.

1610
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:43,030
Okay, next slide.

1611
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,800
So, this is just kind of the details of

1612
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,520
the ordinance of the

1613
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:47,640
you know, anybody that's looked at

1614
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,920
ordinances before

1615
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,430
um

1616
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,920
it it this ordinance has a bunch of

1617
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,560
whereases.

1618
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,680
And these whereases

1619
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,480
it tells you all this. Tells you about

1620
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:05,680
HB 411 that the state's passed in 2019

1621
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,600
which allowed us to come together and do

1622
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:08,840
this.

1623
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,720
Uh

1624
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,880
it told the different things steps that

1625
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,400
we had to do to stay in this. The

1626
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,120
utility agreement which we we passed uh

1627
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,880
2021.

1628
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,240
And um

1629
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,600
and then some other details about what

1630
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,160
we feel that this program is doing for

1631
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,080
the communities health, safety, and

1632
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,520
welfare. Certainly the environmental

1633
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,960
stewardship

1634
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,240
aspect of this of this program should be

1635
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,470
pretty obvious.

1636
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:45,430
Next slide.

1637
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,880
The one um

1638
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,360
thing that

1639
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,960
uh first thing I'll point out on this is

1640
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,880
some of the details

1641
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,720
in exhibit A of this ordinance says that

1642
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,240
all customers

1643
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,640
in Springdale are eligible for this

1644
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,120
except people on schedule 135 which

1645
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:08,440
is me.

1646
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,120
That's the

1647
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,080
you know, and other people in

1648
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,760
Springdale, but that's the net metering.

1649
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,440
So, I think people have heard of net

1650
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,200
metering. That's what schedule 135 is.

1651
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,630
It's the net metering program.

1652
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,120
As I said, I I um

1653
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,240
I put my first panels on in 2013.

1654
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,920
And I added some more uh couple years

1655
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:39,270
ago.

1656
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,840
Again, the ordinance kind of goes

1657
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,640
through these details of what I've been

1658
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,800
talking about. Um

1659
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:54,790
and

1660
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,480
I'm not sure that there's uh

1661
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,480
anything else that we have to

1662
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,720
talk about in this one.

1663
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,560
Okay, next slide.

1664
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,000
But, here's some more details, just in

1665
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,480
case you

1666
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,040
didn't get them all.

1667
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,160
So, we have signed the utility

1668
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,480
agreement.

1669
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:14,720
Um

1670
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,520
we have

1671
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,400
by state statute

1672
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:20,880
we

1673
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,440
not only had to

1674
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:29,040
uh we our communities set up a fund

1675
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,040
and paid for a fund to to hire our

1676
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,520
attorneys, to to hire energy strategies,

1677
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,799
to do some work with Rocky Mountain

1678
01:08:37,799 --> 01:08:42,040
Power, but we also, by state statute

1679
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,000
when Rocky Mountain Power sends out

1680
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,000
these two notices

1681
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,240
to customers

1682
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,080
we have to

1683
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,480
all the communities have to pay for

1684
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:52,440
that.

1685
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:53,960
This is something we haven't paid yet.

1686
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,839
We've paid the other cost already, but

1687
01:08:56,839 --> 01:08:59,759
we will have to pay approximately

1688
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:03,279
uh 900 little under $970.

1689
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:04,720
Uh so,

1690
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,319
sometime

1691
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,600
this year we probably will

1692
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:09,200
uh

1693
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,640
get billed for that since those notices

1694
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,080
will go out in January and December and

1695
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,600
maybe they'll send a bill for that at the end

1696
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,789
of the year. But, um

1697
01:09:21,799 --> 01:09:23,520
we

1698
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,240
the amount that

1699
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,720
uh each community is pay paying into

1700
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,160
this is dependent on the number of

1701
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,560
customers that they have. So, we we are

1702
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,319
contributing a very small percentage of

1703
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:37,960
the money that's going to these

1704
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,480
different things. The original $700,000

1705
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,160
uh for

1706
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:44,799
uh

1707
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:47,720
our attorneys and energy strategies and

1708
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:48,759
other

1709
01:09:48,759 --> 01:09:52,040
like I said, we paid $910

1710
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,280
$42, I think, was our part of it.

1711
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:11,830
So, and that's already been paid.

1712
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:19,030
Okay, next slide.

1713
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,480
Okay.

1714
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:22,440
Um we are in

1715
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:24,800
Rockingham Power & Energy District.

1716
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,240
Uh our community

1717
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,160
options for supporting clean energy. We

1718
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,680
have I've talked about that. There's the

1719
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,240
Blue Sky.

1720
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,160
Uh there's subscribed solar, which is

1721
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:37,360
been

1722
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:38,520
um

1723
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,880
uh is not open anymore.

1724
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,600
Uh there is

1725
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,520
uh getting on the net metering program,

1726
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,840
which costs thousands of dollars

1727
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,240
to do. Just as an example, I put $15,000

1728
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:51,920
into this

1729
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,520
uh for my

1730
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,320
uh panels.

1731
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,120
And I don't have a very big house.

1732
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,280
So this is a very cheap option for our

1733
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,000
residence to support renewable energy

1734
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,870
and clean energy.

1735
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,640
And and and that's what this program is

1736
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:18,560
all about. It's allowing everybody to be a part of this.

1737
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,200
And we feel like this program is the

1738
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,880
best choice for our communities

1739
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,160
to be part of

1740
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,190
providing renewable energy.

1741
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,680
And and uh

1742
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,560
just looking at our general plan,

1743
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:35,880
looking at

1744
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,120
in general this community I think has

1745
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:41,240
always been because

1746
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,680
Jeff's little organization surrounds us

1747
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,280
on three sides. We've always been I

1748
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,120
think a community that's been very um

1749
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,960
oriented to the park and and their

1750
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,280
philosophy on

1751
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,400
resource protection.

1752
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,800
And I just think that we have uh

1753
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,440
this is something that really aligns

1754
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,240
with what we've done with our general

1755
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,320
plan

1756
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,800
and what most of our

1757
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:17,710
residents feel. Next slide.

1758
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:22,190
Okay, this is the

1759
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,280
getting down to it. This is our our

1760
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,240
choice tonight whether we we pass this

1761
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,560
ordinance.

1762
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:30,680
Um

1763
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,880
it's going to sign our

1764
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,160
residents and businesses.

1765
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,240
Um it'll allow them to be part of

1766
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,800
a renewable energy program.

1767
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,160
Um we've got until June 2nd to do it.

1768
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,520
Uh I think it's it'd be good to to get

1769
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,640
it done tonight.

1770
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:57,270
And um

1771
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:03,310
Next slide.

1772
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,480
That's the organization that we're part

1773
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:06,720
of.

1774
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,240
Now,

1775
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,000
all those questions you had.

1776
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,880
You answered all of them.

1777
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,720
No, I have some.

1778
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,560
I knew. I knew. No, he didn't. Jack and

1779
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:19,840
Pat would have questions.

1780
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,440
>> Are they coming from the community? How

1781
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:22,960
are And either one. We'll we'll start.

1782
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,600
Either one. We but we I would start with

1783
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,000
you and the council. I think it's

1784
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,880
probably the best way to start. Fire

1785
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,840
away. Jack, rock, paper, scissors, who

1786
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,640
goes first?

1787
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,080
Go for it.

1788
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,040
Um

1789
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:35,760
five things.

1790
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,000
What if

1791
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,400
you

1792
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,440
RMP estimates 80% initial participation.

1793
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,120
What if it drops below that?

1794
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,160
How far down does it go before the

1795
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,920
program collapses? If that even happens.

1796
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,480
In other words,

1797
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:53,640
say 80% of the people do sign on, but in

1798
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,840
a year only 50% are on. Or more people

1799
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,880
opt out of it, pay that 30 bucks and opt

1800
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,830
out. What happens then?

1801
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,440
Do do do do the rates go up for the

1802
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:05,480
people that are in the program?

1803
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:06,440
No.

1804
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:09,000
The the Public Service Commission has

1805
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,560
said this is the rate.

1806
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,240
So, the rates do not go up. It means

1807
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,360
what it means possibly is that the it

1808
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,160
will take us longer to

1809
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:21,240
uh

1810
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,280
get the amount of renewable energy that

1811
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,120
we need to satisfy our 100%. So, if

1812
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,720
initially only

1813
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,000
This is crazy, but if initially only 20%

1814
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,960
of the people sign up, it's going to be

1815
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,600
the rates we saw here.

1816
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,080
Yeah, but the reality is, I mean, if 20%

1817
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,200
of all the communities sign up, the

1818
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,600
program won't work. Okay. And the Public

1819
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,160
Service Commission would probably

1820
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,920
and and and URC would probably pull the

1821
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,520
plug on the program. Also, in the slides

1822
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,040
it talked about we get the first notice

1823
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,520
in the bill in November and the next

1824
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,000
notice the bill in December.

1825
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,800
But the ordinance

1826
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,960
currently shows that there's 15 days

1827
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,480
between the first and second notice. So,

1828
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:04,520
how does that How does that

1829
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,270
reconcile?

1830
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,560
Well, I think

1831
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,720
Yeah, I'm not sure why the ordinance is

1832
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,320
15 days because First opt-out

1833
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,880
>> It's when your bill is

1834
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:18,960
>> notice

1835
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,800
Uh

1836
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,480
Where did you see that? It's in

1837
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,640
872

1838
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,120
C

1839
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,640
one and two.

1840
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,120
In the ordinance.

1841
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,310
You see it up here.

1842
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,950
Can you pull the ordinance up?

1843
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:48,870
Section 87-2

1844
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,400
Should be at the Yeah, the beginning of

1845
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,000
this.

1846
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,360
All right, where

1847
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,640
What page is it on? Let's start with it.

1848
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,040
Oh, you're you're down into the that

1849
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,560
into the exhibit.

1850
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,720
>> It says that the first opt-out notice

1851
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,680
shall in all material respects

1852
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:07,840
da da da

1853
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,200
No, that's not the right one, Tom. Go

1854
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:10,560
down one.

1855
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:15,280
Is that Is that Is that 872 or 871?

1856
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,080
Uh

1857
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,720
Go go up. 872, okay.

1858
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,520
This paragraph talks about the first

1859
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:20,800
opt-out

1860
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:21,800
>> I see what you're talking about.

1861
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,240
Paragraph second notice is 15 days after

1862
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,160
the first opt-out notice. Separate from

1863
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,000
the bill. At least 15 days. Separate

1864
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,320
from the bill. It says it's separate

1865
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,920
from the standard monthly bill.

1866
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,760
>> one in the bill in November, one in the

1867
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:34,680
bill in

1868
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,160
November, one in December, and you get

1869
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,000
other notices that are 15 days apart?

1870
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:40,880
I mean, I'm sure the notice

1871
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,280
>> No, I

1872
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:43,080
the same thing.

1873
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,950
>> Well, the first of all it says

1874
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,760
to each eligible customer within

1875
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,560
Springdale at least 15 days after the

1876
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,440
first opt-out notice

1877
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,560
uh was provided or at least 7 days

1878
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,240
before the customer

1879
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:58,840
But it specifically says these

1880
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:03,550
>> the second. So, that

1881
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,360
But these notices are separate from the

1882
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,360
bills. They're not tied to bills. They

1883
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,520
specifically say separate from standard

1884
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,840
monthly bills. So, they go out as a

1885
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,600
standalone item 15 days apart, sounds

1886
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,200
like. At least 15 days apart.

1887
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:19,880
I'm sorry, at least, yeah.

1888
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,600
At least, right. At least 15 days.

1889
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,360
And so, also, you will everybody will

1890
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,000
receive a mailer even if they only do

1891
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,680
electronic billing.

1892
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,760
Everybody will receive a paper And

1893
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,320
that's part of the $970 that we're going

1894
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,240
to be paying for. And then their

1895
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,800
additional notice will be sent to you in

1896
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,200
your preferred

1897
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,520
method. If so, if you prefer paper,

1898
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:47,800
you're going to get another paper. And

1899
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,480
if you prefer electronic, then it will

1900
01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:51,640
be electronic.

1901
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,120
And is there a specific reason why

1902
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,520
schedule 135 is out, like why you can't

1903
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,440
do it? Is it just Because I think what

1904
01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:00,160
they did is they looked at how much

1905
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,720
money that people have

1906
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,560
uh spent on this.

1907
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,440
And that's why.

1908
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:08,640
And and I don't know um

1909
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,720
I heard some talk about eventually they

1910
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,400
might let

1911
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,880
uh schedule 135 in, but at this point,

1912
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,160
no. And I think this is going to be

1913
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:21,320
listed as schedule 100. Is what this

1914
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,360
will which you'll see on your bill,

1915
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,800
schedule 100. And my last question is is the town keeping track of who's in

1916
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,040
and who's out? Will we know

1917
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,080
like Pat Campbell was in and Pat

1918
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,760
Campbell opted out in February or I I

1919
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,680
don't know that we will uh individual I

1920
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,320
doubt it because we don't send the bills

1921
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,200
out. Rocky Mountain Power does.

1922
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,870
Absolutely. So your your bill we don't

1923
01:18:45,879 --> 01:18:45,880
» [music]

1924
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,400
>> we might be able to call Rocky Mountain

1925
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,960
Power and say how many people Okay. uh

1926
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,240
from Springdale are in and how many are

1927
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:54,720
you know what kind of participation but

1928
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:55,240
at this point

1929
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:56,320
>> concerned about what the

1930
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,960
how we verify our participation. Yeah

1931
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,120
and uh I'm I'm assuming we will be able

1932
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,600
to call Rocky Mountain Power and just

1933
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:04,760
say

1934
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,560
you know I would I would say probably

1935
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,440
after the

1936
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:11,960
you know once it starts in 2027

1937
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,440
uh we would wait until that four months

1938
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:16,880
is up because people can still opt out

1939
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,840
without a termination charge and and at

1940
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,520
that point I think everybody will be

1941
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,200
sort of committed to the program and at

1942
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,680
that point it we could

1943
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,040
get a hold of Rocky Mountain Power and

1944
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,560
ask.

1945
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,600
And I think the URC would do that. I

1946
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,320
mean I don't I don't see the town

1947
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,440
specifically doing that. I maybe we

1948
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:37,160
could or maybe we couldn't. But I do

1949
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,760
think that URC is invested enough to

1950
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,680
kind of know okay

1951
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,360
we've done all this legwork where did

1952
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,600
the cards fall and giving us that data

1953
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,760
because I imagine that we're going to be

1954
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,560
aboard for quite a while as we make

1955
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,960
decisions about resources that we're

1956
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,080
obtaining and power purchase agreements

1957
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:00,550
and all that good stuff.

1958
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,640
Maybe if the opt-in is too low they'd

1959
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,840
open it up to schedule 135. Who knows?

1960
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,880
But Jack you had some questions.

1961
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,080
>> Yeah I think uh

1962
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,560
Pat covered my questions. Good job Pat.

1963
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,040
You know I think my one

1964
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,520
um I know that this is is not the first

1965
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:19,960
time we've heard this. I think the

1966
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,760
biggest hit on this will be for business

1967
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,640
owners. And I think Well I think the

1968
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,480
only question I've got is

1969
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:27,800
um

1970
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:28,520
uh

1971
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,920
do we really feel like we've given

1972
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,760
adequate notice to residents that by

1973
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,440
passing this ordinance, if you're not

1974
01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:38,480
paying attention, you know, we just

1975
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,000
increased your

1976
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,440
power bill.

1977
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:44,160
Well, but we're not increasing. We're

1978
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:45,480
Well, I guess we are.

1979
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:47,480
>> No, we are.

1980
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:51,160
I you know, Jack

1981
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,800
No, I'm just asking that question.

1982
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,880
>> It's a It's a good question and it's one

1983
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,520
of the reasons

1984
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,240
that we have

1985
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,320
made an attempt

1986
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:01,920
uh

1987
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,160
and what I've made an attempt

1988
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,280
at every meeting of

1989
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:07,680
We've got a

1990
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,400
um a report on this on where we are on

1991
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:11,640
this.

1992
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:12,760
And

1993
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,680
uh I couldn't really fill much in

1994
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,200
because we were still kind of putting

1995
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,240
the program together. And until

1996
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:21,120
uh

1997
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,840
for instance, as far as the program rate

1998
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,400
until the Public Service Commission said

1999
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,480
on March 4th of this year that this is

2000
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:31,040
going to be the program rate and they

2001
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,480
decide cuz we we heard

2002
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:34,920
uh we were hearing from Energy

2003
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,120
Strategies that would probably be

2004
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,240
somewhere between two to five dollars.

2005
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,120
And but we our two to seven dollars. We

2006
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,320
didn't know where it was going to fall

2007
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,800
in there. Public Service Commission said

2008
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,880
flat rate four dollars until you

2009
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:53,440
have enough

2010
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:56,120
uh a reserve built up to then have uh

2011
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,640
paid for enough to get this program

2012
01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:59,920
going.

2013
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:01,760
And I I think, you know, if we put this

2014
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:03,640
out in the town newsletter, we have it

2015
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,240
on the website.

2016
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:07,280
Um

2017
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,560
then I think, you know, we put

2018
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,760
>> Well, and and yeah, and I think that um

2019
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,920
what you we should be doing with maybe

2020
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,440
the town newsletter every time is just

2021
01:22:16,440 --> 01:22:19,040
put a little blurb in there and giving a

2022
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:23,160
link to the URC website because that has

2023
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,480
a lot of detail and a a of uh good

2024
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:31,240
information on it. This is a lot of information, but

2025
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:32,640
there's a lot more

2026
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:33,840
on there.

2027
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,760
Uh so,

2028
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,480
that in my opinion

2029
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:42,720
I hear you, and it's what we are challenged by with

2030
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,640
everything that we do

2031
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,640
is trying to get the information out to

2032
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,120
the residents that

2033
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,280
"Hey, we're passing an ordinance

2034
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:51,640
tonight."

2035
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:56,320
And uh I don't other than

2036
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,040
putting big red signs up and shooting

2037
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,160
fireworks off and

2038
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,320
I I like the number of opportunities

2039
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,080
>> Exactly. You have.

2040
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,800
termination fee is more than reasonable.

2041
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,240
If you miss, you know,

2042
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,960
don't get the memo. Um so, Yeah.

2043
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,480
>> And the low-income option that that

2044
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:18,160
doesn't charge. I think I think there's

2045
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,120
every opportunity for someone who just

2046
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,720
can't do this to not do this. But

2047
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,360
>> And and Yeah. the the other thing that I

2048
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,560
think was on there, but uh for the

2049
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,320
low-income customers, you know, maybe

2050
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:31,280
uh

2051
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,320
you know, they're a couple of years into

2052
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,160
the program and they read something they

2053
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,480
don't all of a sudden they don't like

2054
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:39,720
renewable energy. They can opt out

2055
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,960
without any termination fee.

2056
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,320
Um

2057
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,520
so, that's that's really for the people

2058
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:46,640
who

2059
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,070
uh

2060
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,200
you know, have been

2061
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,000
There's a lot of work, I guess, for

2062
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,560
Rocky Mountain Power to take people

2063
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:57,840
There's work to put them into the

2064
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,560
program, and there's work to take them

2065
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,160
out, and that's what that

2066
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:06,630
$30 covers.

2067
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,640
It's good questions. I mean,

2068
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,320
it's important, and and

2069
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,360
you all have any questions, please ask.

2070
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:15,320
Um

2071
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,240
Yeah, if any of you out there want to

2072
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:18,800
ask questions, follow the same

2073
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:19,440
procedure.

2074
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:20,760
>> Yeah.

2075
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,240
If anybody has questions this program

2076
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,440
Looks like not. So, do we want to

2077
01:24:26,440 --> 01:24:28,720
discuss or do we feel ready to make a

2078
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,920
motion?

2079
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:36,750
I will just add that, you know,

2080
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:43,640
kind of to your concerns, Jack, if we say no to the program, then nobody

2081
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,400
has the opportunity.

2082
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,680
There's no individual

2083
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,520
choice if we make the choice tonight to

2084
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,280
say no.

2085
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,560
The only way anybody gets individual

2086
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,960
choices if we say yes.

2087
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,310
That's a good point.

2088
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,120
And inevitably, but there will be the

2089
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:03,920
people who are caught off guard because

2090
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,680
their bill is on auto pay or or however

2091
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,800
it works for individual house individual

2092
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,200
households.

2093
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:11,680
Um

2094
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:12,960
and it is a shame that we've been

2095
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,960
working on this program for so long and

2096
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,640
it's coming out of time at a time where

2097
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,680
everybody's feeling

2098
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,920
tight, you know, and like and everything

2099
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,880
is increasing, right? That's

2100
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:26,840
really unfortunate, but we do know

2101
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,000
just within the last couple months that,

2102
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,080
you know, gas prices are going up.

2103
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,040
Fuel is an issue.

2104
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,800
This is a way for us as a community to

2105
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,360
say, well, we have sunshine and we have

2106
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,720
wind and we're willing to put forth a

2107
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,000
little bit of investment to maybe um

2108
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,600
gain some

2109
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,160
reliable, sustainable

2110
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,680
choices that aren't dependent on the ups

2111
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:56,000
and downs of coal and fuel prices.

2112
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,280
Um and and so for those few reasons, I

2113
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,000
beside the point that I've been working

2114
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,920
with Randy on this for quite a while, um

2115
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,520
I'm supportive of the program and

2116
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,680
wish that it were free, but it's not and

2117
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,000
that's just the way that good things

2118
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,720
are. We have to put forth a little bit

2119
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,400
of investment in hopes that we do get

2120
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,680
that 80% uh or maybe more.

2121
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,040
Um, you know, as a as the group of

2122
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,520
communities, we're 25%

2123
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,320
give or take a little bit

2124
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,600
of the grid's capacity or you know,

2125
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,720
we're 25% of the users. That's a chunk.

2126
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:36,040
That's a For the state, you mean?

2127
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:36,480
>> state.

2128
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,720
yeah. We're we're a considerable

2129
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,920
amount of energy and people who are

2130
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:44,680
getting together who are saying this is

2131
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:46,320
important to us.

2132
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:47,640
Um,

2133
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:49,840
so

2134
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,400
I think signing on is sending a message

2135
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,640
to the people who

2136
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,480
you know, with Project Gigawatt and all

2137
01:26:57,480 --> 01:26:59,240
of the things that are kind of happening

2138
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:00,680
in our state.

2139
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:01,560
Uh,

2140
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,760
sending a message that people want clean

2141
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,120
reliable energy and I think Springdale

2142
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,680
is uniquely

2143
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,480
positioned to kind of support that

2144
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:14,360
endeavor.

2145
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:15,360
Yeah, and I

2146
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,800
we are very small player

2147
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:22,120
in this whole thing. It's Salt Lake, County, Ogden,

2148
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:26,680
uh, Park City, Moab, Summit County,

2149
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:28,720
you know, we're we're a a small little

2150
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,360
player in all this and and we are the

2151
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,560
only community in Southern Utah

2152
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,160
that's signing up for this program,

2153
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:36,360
which I'm

2154
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:37,960
uh, I'm pretty

2155
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:39,600
proud of us for making that step. I

2156
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,520
think that's a it's a huge

2157
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,640
uh, step, so

2158
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:49,120
uh, I I very much want us to

2159
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:50,720
be a part of this and to pass this

2160
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,360
ordinance tonight. Well, the thing about

2161
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:54,960
it is is

2162
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,600
nobody's in a headlock

2163
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,720
to to sign No, no. No. If you don't want

2164
01:27:58,720 --> 01:27:59,880
to do it, you don't do it. If you want

2165
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,800
to do it, you do it. If you later you

2166
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:02,880
want out, you can get out. If you want

2167
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,000
to get in later, you can get in. I mean,

2168
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,520
this is not

2169
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,480
nobody's being pressured to do anything.

2170
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:09,600
The only concern I had and you've

2171
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,880
answered that question is noticed. Yeah.

2172
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:15,400
Unless you

2173
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:16,680
change the banner and the sign over

2174
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:17,700
there.

2175
01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:18,480
>> [laughter]

2176
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:20,280
>> And Carla mentioned that this will go

2177
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,720
out by a US mail, Yeah. not just an

2178
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,960
email that you might miss, so I feel

2179
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,280
comfortable passing this resolution.

2180
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,120
Does anyone want to make the motion? I

2181
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,520
would like to.

2182
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,840
Really? Yeah, because I've brought this

2183
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:36,440
same program up. After all this, you're

2184
01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:38,440
going to make the motion?

2185
01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:40,760
>> Please.

2186
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,760
I move we approve ordinance 2026-11, an

2187
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,720
ordinance exacting

2188
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,440
uh enacting title eight, chapter seven

2189
01:28:48,440 --> 01:28:51,200
to the Springdale Town Code, Community

2190
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,840
Clean Energy Program, and direct the

2191
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,880
mayor to sign.

2192
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:57,800
Can I add some findings?

2193
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:02,230
Yes.

2194
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:07,880
Um that our town general plan

2195
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:12,520
has several um supporting lines that I

2196
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,600
will mention.

2197
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,360
Um

2198
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,760
public and municipal I'm sorry,

2199
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,480
municipal and public services, the

2200
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:24,520
general goal states that either directly

2201
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,160
or through partnerships, the town will

2202
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,880
ensure excellence in utilities such as

2203
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:32,560
power.

2204
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,520
Then we have sub goal D, encourage the

2205
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,760
implementation of renewable energy and

2206
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,800
conservation, use reduction, and the

2207
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,240
practice of sustainability in power

2208
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:44,760
utilities,

2209
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,240
which is supported by D1.

2210
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,680
It says the town will adopt policies and

2211
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,400
participate in programs that promote the

2212
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,320
use and development of renewable and

2213
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,160
sustainable alternative resources as

2214
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,320
solar such as solar, wind, and

2215
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:02,760
geothermal.

2216
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,800
Um and then our natural and cultural

2217
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,840
resources general goal talks about the

2218
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,000
natural resources in and around

2219
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,040
Springdale, such as the dark night sky,

2220
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,360
clean air and water,

2221
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,200
um will be protected and conserved, will

2222
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:23,120
be healthy, and will enhance the quality

2223
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,000
and life or the quality of life and of

2224
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,480
residents and visitors.

2225
01:30:29,480 --> 01:30:31,680
I will second I accept it those. Thank

2226
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:31,880
you.

2227
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,200
>> Thank you.

2228
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,320
Do we have a second?

2229
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:36,480
I'll second.

2230
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:38,160
Motion by Randy second by Kyla,

2231
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:39,920
appropriately.

2232
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,000
And I. Randy, I. Barbara, I. Jack, I.

2233
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,870
Kyla, I.

2234
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,400
After all that work, you finally get to

2235
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,160
put it to rest. No, I don't. And we're

2236
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:52,560
first.

2237
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,120
>> We have a lot more meetings and we have

2238
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:55,320
a lot more

2239
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:57,400
to do, but this is this is awesome.

2240
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,280
Good.

2241
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,960
Next item is invasive species removal

2242
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,000
project, Utah Conservation Corps

2243
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,040
Services Agreement, and this is Kindle.

2244
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,040
Yes, thank you. So, with the town is

2245
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,960
continuing the work on the invasive

2246
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,160
species removal project, removing

2247
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,000
invasive Russian olive and tamarisk

2248
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,160
trees from the Virgin River watershed in

2249
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,080
Springdale and Trees Ranch.

2250
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,880
Most of the work has been accomplished

2251
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,720
in the 2025 season. The specialized

2252
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,000
services agreement will allow the Utah

2253
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,120
Conservation Corps, the UCC crews, to

2254
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,080
perform 5 weeks of treatment,

2255
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,320
re-treatment, and revegetation in

2256
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,720
Springdale and Trees Ranch.

2257
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,160
The UCC charges $5,750

2258
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,880
per week for a technical treatment crew

2259
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,080
and $5,500 per week for a non-technical

2260
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,000
crew.

2261
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,840
The total for 5 weeks of treatment is

2262
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,870
$28,250.

2263
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,400
Funding for this project is coming

2264
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,720
through the landscape scale restoration

2265
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,360
grant from the US Forest Service

2266
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:02,080
that Springdale was subawarded in 2024.

2267
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:03,520
The town attorney has reviewed the

2268
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:06,000
agreement and he has approved the form.

2269
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,120
So, staff recommends that town council

2270
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:09,840
approve the specialized services

2271
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,440
agreement with UCC and authorize the

2272
01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:15,640
mayor to sign the document.

2273
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,960
Questions for Kendall? Yeah, a question.

2274
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:19,920
I noticed that um

2275
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,920
there was matching fund contributions

2276
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,760
from Trees Ranch property and from the

2277
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,480
Nature Conservancy and some other

2278
01:32:27,480 --> 01:32:31,400
partners. Is the Springdale is the town

2279
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:32,200
uh

2280
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,040
have any financial input into this

2281
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,720
other than getting the grant

2282
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,920
and your time for doing that?

2283
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,400
Um yes. So, the

2284
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,360
>> 28,000?

2285
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:49,600
So, so the 28,000 it's it's easiest to

2286
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,760
think of this as as a project as a whole

2287
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,360
and not the specifics of the 28,000. So,

2288
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,440
the at the project as a whole, the grant

2289
01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:58,520
is about a $609,000

2290
01:32:58,520 --> 01:32:59,960
project.

2291
01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:03,680
Um so, we we that's that's the total

2292
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:07,080
bucket of funds. Of that $609,000

2293
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,440
um the uh State Forestry Fire and State

2294
01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:13,920
Land, we we we were awarded 50% of that

2295
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,840
in in grant funding. So, $300,000. Of

2296
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,080
that, the Forestry Fire and State Lands

2297
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:22,360
took $60,000 for their administration of

2298
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:24,680
the grant. They the Forestry Fire and

2299
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,360
State Lands is actually the grant

2300
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:27,920
recipient. As Kendall mentioned, we are

2301
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,560
the subrecipient.

2302
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,640
So, right off the top, Forestry Fire and

2303
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,880
State Lands took 60,000.

2304
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,840
That means that we have $240,000

2305
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,320
in cash from the grant,

2306
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:40,960
but we also have to match that grant

2307
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:42,480
50/50. So, we need to provide about

2308
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:45,880
$300,000 in matching funds.

2309
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,480
Those are coming um from Trees Ranch

2310
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:50,040
who's um

2311
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,440
providing about $150,000 in matching

2312
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:53,520
funds.

2313
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,400
The Nature Conservancy, which is

2314
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:57,920
providing about $20,000 Well, not about,

2315
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,680
exactly $20,000 in matching funds.

2316
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:01,920
Um, the town of Springdale has committed

2317
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,360
$10,000 in cash matching funds. The

2318
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,080
remainder of the match comes from

2319
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:07,880
um

2320
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:12,080
soft match. So, that is the town's labor

2321
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,720
that we put in on the on the um grant.

2322
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,280
Um, Lisa Zumpf is here and she's she's

2323
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,160
our our volunteer, what started as our

2324
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:21,600
council representative on this grant and

2325
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,560
now is our volunteer head volunteer on

2326
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,920
the grant and her time counts as match.

2327
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:27,520
Um, and another big chunk comes from the

2328
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:28,720
Hurricane Valley Fire Protection

2329
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,400
District. They're the ones that are

2330
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,320
helping us dispose of the slash piles

2331
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,000
through chipping and burning. All that

2332
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,960
goes towards the grant matching funds,

2333
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:36,920
as well.

2334
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:38,960
So, this $28,000

2335
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,760
comes out of that

2336
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,840
bigger, larger project where we have all

2337
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,480
this cash.

2338
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:45,920
Um

2339
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,040
and and so, that's where that money

2340
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,360
comes from. That is matched

2341
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,120
as a whole by these other sources I've

2342
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:53,160
talked about. So, we don't really need

2343
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,240
to worry about how is this particular

2344
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:57,520
$28,000 being matched because it's all

2345
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,800
part of the larger project.

2346
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:04,150
Does that make sense?

2347
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:06,080
And it's all funded. It's all fully

2348
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:07,400
funded.

2349
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,760
Correct.

2350
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,120
I have a question for you, Kenda. You

2351
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:12,920
said that the majority of the work has

2352
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:14,880
been completed. So, does that imply

2353
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,400
there's still some work that will be

2354
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:19,760
completed? Yes, there's some parcels

2355
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,000
within the Springdale town that needs to

2356
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,040
be completed. Yeah, I just wanted to

2357
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,480
mention, I noticed um

2358
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:28,560
down at the river park the other day

2359
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,040
where they where they did work on the

2360
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,480
east end of it, or I mean the I guess

2361
01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:36,760
the north end. Is that right?

2362
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:38,400
Upriver.

2363
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:40,640
Where they had to go back and

2364
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,360
gather up the scattered material.

2365
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,960
There's Russian olive from that point up

2366
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,000
to Canyon Springs.

2367
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:48,880
Yes. So, anyway, yeah, there's

2368
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,840
definitely still some pockets.

2369
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,520
There's a little bit of tamarisk in the

2370
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,760
dry wash up above Anasazi, but I think

2371
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,520
you I think we've reported all of that

2372
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,120
to you.

2373
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,310
That's what remains.

2374
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,880
Yes, so having the UCC crews come back

2375
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,720
and take care of all of that and then

2376
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,920
also do some retreatment on some of the

2377
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,400
sprouts that have come up in Springdale

2378
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,400
and Trees Ranch is is why we need them

2379
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:20,110
to come back up.

2380
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:23,520
Questions? Want to make a motion?

2381
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,040
I have a motion ready. Okay.

2382
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:27,680
I move to approve the specialized

2383
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,840
service agreement with Utah Conservation

2384
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,000
Corps in regards to invasive species and

2385
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,080
direct the mayor to sign.

2386
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,880
Second. Motion by Kayla, second by Jack.

2387
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,790
Pat, aye. Brenda, aye. Barbara, aye.

2388
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,440
Jack, aye. Kayla, aye.

2389
01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:47,080
Next item is review and possible

2390
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:50,000
selection of Bike Utah as a partner with

2391
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,640
the town of Springdale for community

2392
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:53,920
engagement services regarding trails in

2393
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,680
Springdale. Contact is Ryan Gubler and I

2394
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,280
see that Stan Pleasure is here

2395
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:00,280
um

2396
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:03,400
maybe participating as well.

2397
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,400
Thank you, Mayor.

2398
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,240
Sorry.

2399
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:11,670
Um so as the staff report

2400
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:13,280
Okay. Sorry. Let me know when I'm ready

2401
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:14,920
to go.

2402
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,960
As the staff report says, back in 2025

2403
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:18,640
we were awarded an outdoor recreation

2404
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,040
planning assistance grant for $20,000

2405
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,240
from the Utah Division of Outdoor

2406
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:23,520
Recreation.

2407
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,200
Um as part of our application, uh we

2408
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:27,840
were very specific that we wanted this

2409
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,280
money to cover two phases of this

2410
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,680
effort. The first phase to be really

2411
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:34,280
healthy, robust community engagement

2412
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:37,240
process, public involvement to

2413
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:39,720
help us understand um the feelings

2414
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:41,360
surrounding our current trail network

2415
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:42,840
and the community's appetite for the

2416
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,680
potential for more trails in town.

2417
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:47,280
Um and then once that phase was

2418
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,400
completed, that would help guide us uh

2419
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,400
into the next phase of master planning

2420
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,240
and planning of specific trail projects.

2421
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,920
Um, and so we issued the RFP and we were

2422
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,000
lucky to receive three proposals. All

2423
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,040
three submissions were from very

2424
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,360
qualified applicants. Uh, very

2425
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:07,520
impressive. Um, and so, uh, we had our

2426
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,160
work cut out for us.

2427
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:10,480
Um, and one thing I did want to note

2428
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:13,640
because this was an RFP, uh, we were not

2429
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,400
in a situation where we were forced to

2430
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,440
take the low bid. We were able to take

2431
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:18,920
other things into account. Obviously

2432
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,160
cost was one of those things, but it

2433
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:24,040
gave us some flexibility. Um, so that

2434
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:25,920
differs from other projects like the

2435
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:27,720
River Park, another example where we

2436
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:28,560
are,

2437
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:29,440
you know,

2438
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:31,920
we are forced to take the low bid. Uh,

2439
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,440
this was not that situation. So, um, we

2440
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:35,960
had our group gathered together which

2441
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,360
included myself, Tom Dansie, um,

2442
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:39,800
Councilmember Burns, Councilmember

2443
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:41,360
Eaton, and Robert George, our street

2444
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:42,720
supervisor.

2445
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:44,280
And we spent roughly two hours

2446
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:46,760
deliberating and going back and forth on

2447
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,200
the pros and cons of each applicant. Um,

2448
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:52,280
eventually we landed on Bike Utah.

2449
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:55,000
We felt good about that as a group.

2450
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,400
And, um,

2451
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:57,560
so our recommendation is that the

2452
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,040
council approve the partnership with

2453
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,760
Bike Utah for community engagement

2454
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,120
services for this effort. I will note

2455
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:04,480
that as of right now there is no

2456
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:06,560
contract, there is no agreement. That is

2457
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,960
not what we're here for today. Um, that

2458
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,280
will come later.

2459
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:12,560
Once, or assuming this gets approved by

2460
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:14,360
the council, um, Bike Utah will then

2461
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:16,360
draft or start drafting a contract which

2462
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:17,720
will then come to the council for

2463
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,120
approval, probably in the April 22nd

2464
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:21,360
meeting.

2465
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,520
Um, and so attached to the staff report

2466
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:29,000
were the, uh, was the RFP and the, uh,

2467
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,760
application submitted by Bike Utah.

2468
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:33,920
Later I sent both, uh, other the other

2469
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,280
two applications to the council as well

2470
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:36,800
for their review, but they, uh, welcome

2471
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,000
any any questions.

2472
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,120
That was helpful to see the others, too.

2473
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:43,560
It would have been a tough decision.

2474
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,080
They were all three really good. They

2475
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,600
were three really good choices. And this

2476
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:50,080
is probably a stupid question. I'll just

2477
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,280
say this is a stupid question. So, Bike

2478
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,520
Utah works on multi-use trails, not just

2479
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,400
bike trails. I mean, these trails are

2480
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,760
multi-use, right? We're not We're not

2481
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,360
just talking about a trail plan for

2482
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:02,840
bikes.

2483
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,480
Yeah, correct. They They Yeah, and if

2484
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:07,440
you look at the jobs they've done, work for the Utah Lake

2485
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:09,200
Authority, they've done

2486
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:10,880
trails master plan for Eagle Mountain.

2487
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:12,160
So, they

2488
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:13,720
I think people see the name Bike Utah

2489
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:16,120
and think, "Okay, this is bike trails."

2490
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:18,320
But, they do more than that.

2491
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,790
Okay.

2492
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,440
That's not a stupid question. It was We talked about that in our in our

2493
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:27,320
meeting. So, Ryan, most of the the

2494
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,840
operative RFP language is about I'm

2495
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:31,200
going to read this directly. Community

2496
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:32,400
outreach

2497
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,760
and and planning input, but not the

2498
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:36,560
actual physical or technical design of

2499
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:37,760
the trails. Correct, yeah.

2500
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,680
>> So, we're not asking Bike Utah to design

2501
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:41,600
this. We're asking him, "Go out to the

2502
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,760
community, find out if we want it." Yep.

2503
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,040
This first phase is strictly community

2504
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:47,720
engage-

2505
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:49,320
>> So, it's intended to move a like a

2506
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:51,960
future trails plan forward. That That's

2507
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:57,950
Yeah. if that happens. Yep, exactly. So,

2508
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,680
when I read the the the public face of

2509
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:02,040
Bike Utah,

2510
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:03,360
I didn't get the sense that they had a

2511
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,800
whole lot of expertise when it comes to

2512
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:08,320
non-paved trails. So, are we expecting

2513
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:09,360
them

2514
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,640
to do hiking trails or just bike trails?

2515
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,720
All trails. That's paved trails, natural

2516
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:15,640
surface trails, different user groups,

2517
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:17,640
all the entire trail network. So, when I

2518
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:19,440
read their their website and went

2519
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:20,920
through some of the documents, I I

2520
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:23,120
didn't see a whole lot of

2521
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:27,600
expertise in in non-paved trail work.

2522
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,240
Do they have it?

2523
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:32,640
You know, that's we only saw it We saw

2524
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:33,800
the same things you saw in the

2525
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,800
application. We didn't do any follow-up.

2526
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:37,400
We felt that

2527
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:39,120
>> How do you think I I again I'm I'm just

2528
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:40,600
curious.

2529
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:44,000
How would a company or a group that

2530
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,560
doesn't have experience in what

2531
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:51,110
hiking trails do or how they should be

2532
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:52,840
calculated, where they go, what where

2533
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:54,440
they consist of. If they have no

2534
01:41:54,440 --> 01:41:56,320
experience doing that, then how do we

2535
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,760
expect them to ask questions

2536
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,800
of the community

2537
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:01,800
if they don't know what kind of

2538
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:03,640
questions they're going to ask. I mean,

2539
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:05,320
the example I use is

2540
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:08,000
I had a 1971 Barracuda years ago before

2541
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,640
they became, right?

2542
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,560
If I were to ask people

2543
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,120
tell me

2544
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,360
um tell me about how this car works or

2545
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,000
tell me about what I should do to keep

2546
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,920
the car maintained.

2547
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,280
You'd ask people that knew something

2548
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,720
about cars, right?

2549
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:25,720
So, tell me what Bike Utah has in their

2550
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,280
background that that will enable them to ask the right

2551
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,680
questions. And I'm I'm certain they can.

2552
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:33,520
I'm just curious. Yeah, so that's a

2553
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,120
great question. And Randy and Jack, feel

2554
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:36,320
free to jump in if you feel the need,

2555
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:37,360
but

2556
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:38,840
me looking at it, I looked at their

2557
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:40,880
experience working with you Moab in the

2558
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,800
Safe Streets and Roads program, the

2559
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,520
off-street trails master plan with Eagle

2560
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,360
Mountain talked about to the Utah Lake

2561
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,960
Recreation Access Plan. So, it is I

2562
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:51,960
think their experience is

2563
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:54,880
more broad than just paved trails for

2564
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:56,880
bikes. I think that that especially with

2565
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,760
the Utah Lake Recreation Access Plan,

2566
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:00,400
you look go through and read it. I feel

2567
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:01,760
like it's a little more encompassing

2568
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,040
than just paved trails.

2569
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,280
Um you know, there were pros and cons to

2570
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:07,920
each applicant, you know, we there were

2571
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:09,920
certain things that maybe they weren't

2572
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,720
as strong as as another applicant. We

2573
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,200
looked at it holistically um

2574
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,080
and and to to be frank, cost was a big

2575
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,840
factor. Mainly we're focused on a

2576
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,600
company that can tell us whether people

2577
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,640
want trails or not.

2578
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:26,920
Basically. Not designing these things.

2579
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:28,280
Gauge the community's interest in more

2580
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:31,600
trails. We that that was very clear.

2581
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,520
Uh we were we were just looking for

2582
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,760
um, the survey, not a not an

2583
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:38,800
organization that can sign

2584
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:42,360
uh, the trails master plan or trails.

2585
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,080
So, it's just we want community outreach

2586
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,080
for this.

2587
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:50,190
Yep.

2588
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,960
Any other questions for Ryan?

2589
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,920
Is the group that looked over the RFP?

2590
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:56,560
And maybe maybe you do or don't need a

2591
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,240
group. May That's my first question.

2592
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:01,080
Will you need a group to

2593
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:04,000
direct Bike Utah? Or is that going to be

2594
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,960
just you, you and Jack? We have an

2595
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,680
internal trails team and then we've also

2596
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,440
got Council member Eaton and Council

2597
01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:12,600
member Burns who are the liaisons for

2598
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,520
each of those departments. Okay.

2599
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:16,160
So, they'll stay involved in the

2600
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:16,760
project.

2601
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:17,280
>> want to.

2602
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,120
>> You guys will continue to work like as a

2603
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:22,360
group. There's multiple of you. Correct.

2604
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,800
Yes. Helping Bike Utah set up

2605
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,080
>> Yes, they'll be working very closely

2606
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,120
with staff. Okay. Cool. And this will

2607
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:29,800
happen pretty quickly. This is short

2608
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,400
term. We'd like it We'd like it to start

2609
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,240
as soon as we can. And as I mentioned,

2610
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:35,400
the contract has not been They've not

2611
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:36,920
begun drafting the contract. That is

2612
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:38,520
something That will come to you guys for

2613
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:39,640
final approval.

2614
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,080
>> Bike Utah were to come back, say we we

2615
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:43,360
approve this and they come back and say,

2616
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:44,200
"Yes,

2617
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:45,600
you know, 80% of the people here in town

2618
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,280
want trails."

2619
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:48,640
We don't necessarily have to use them to

2620
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,200
do that, right? No. Oh, they don't.

2621
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:52,480
>> all.

2622
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:54,400
I don't Again, I I don't want to speak

2623
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:55,680
out of turn, but

2624
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:57,080
No, that's a that will be

2625
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:59,160
>> Logan Simpson Yeah, that would be a a

2626
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,200
different Yeah. Correct. And that was

2627
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,280
very clear in the RFP. This was strictly

2628
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:04,440
for community engagement. If we wanted

2629
01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:05,680
to move forward with the

2630
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,600
master plan, we could we could put it

2631
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:08,800
out again. We could do it internally. We

2632
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,760
have a lot of options. We're trying to

2633
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:14,160
make real good use of this $20,000 we

2634
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,760
got and get our money's worth

2635
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,680
with that and not have to really

2636
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,360
step outside of that again.

2637
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:23,720
And you And you might want to mention

2638
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:27,270
that the The

2639
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,480
uh, can also be applied towards creating

2640
01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:33,160
a master plan. Correct. Yeah. In

2641
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:34,280
addition to any

2642
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,040
>> Yeah. Well, then then

2643
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,200
And that's why the the price did make a

2644
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,000
big difference because we had a pretty

2645
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:40,480
big

2646
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:42,400
>> Saving $22,000 to do that in the future.

2647
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:43,960
I got it. I mean, 12,000

2648
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,160
>> Yeah, so that saves us gives us an extra

2649
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:48,360
$12,000 if we want to put that towards a

2650
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:51,310
master plan.

2651
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:55,710
We ready with the motion?

2652
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:58,920
Um so, we're we're making a motion just

2653
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:03,120
to enter in a project agreement.

2654
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:05,360
>> Um I don't know the wording. Not an

2655
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,200
agreement, but just yeah, selecting Bike

2656
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,480
Utah as a the partner with the town of

2657
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:11,320
Springdale.

2658
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:12,280
The contract will come later.

2659
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:14,480
>> Okay, I move to

2660
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:19,840
uh hire Bike Utah as the consultant for

2661
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:21,680
the Springdale Trails Community

2662
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:23,440
Engagement.

2663
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:25,600
Um

2664
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,320
and direct the mayor to sign.

2665
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:29,360
I second.

2666
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:30,400
I

2667
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:31,400
Sorry.

2668
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,000
At this point, there's nothing to sign.

2669
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:34,680
Yeah, there's no signing. That that will

2670
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,160
come Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. in the

2671
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:39,550
next month. In the next month.

2672
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,800
I still second. Okay, so we've got a

2673
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:44,240
motion by Jack and a second by Kyla. And

2674
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,920
I. Randy, I. Barbara, I. Jack, I. Kyla,

2675
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,760
I.

2676
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:50,560
Next item is review and possible

2677
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,440
approval of an independent contractor

2678
01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:53,880
agreement for the Zion Regional

2679
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:56,120
Collaborative Coordinator position. And

2680
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:58,000
Tom, this is yours.

2681
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,840
Thank you, Mayor. This is a contract

2682
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,080
that we have entered into um about the

2683
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,880
last four or five years. Um and it funds

2684
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:09,200
the ZRC Coordinator position. The ZRC or

2685
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:10,760
Zion Regional Collaborative, as the

2686
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:12,760
council is aware, is a group that does

2687
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,200
regional planning and coordination

2688
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,160
throughout the Zion region. It provides

2689
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:17,760
an excellent opportunity for the town to

2690
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,720
network with our regional partners, to

2691
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:23,560
uh work on issues of shared interest, to

2692
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,560
communicate across jurisdictional

2693
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:26,920
boundaries,

2694
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:28,920
and to help promote projects that

2695
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:30,960
improve and enhance the quality of life

2696
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,320
in Springdale and the other

2697
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:35,320
communities in the region. So, it's a

2698
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:36,880
really valuable organization that the

2699
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:38,800
town's been participating in for a

2700
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:40,520
number of years.

2701
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,800
The ZRC coordinator

2702
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,480
is is really crucial to the successful

2703
01:47:45,480 --> 01:47:47,240
operation of that group. The ZRC

2704
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:50,000
coordinator manages meetings,

2705
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,840
coordinates meetings, provides all the

2706
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:55,000
administrative support for the group, as

2707
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,560
well as maintains

2708
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:59,680
relationships with important regional

2709
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:03,160
partners, and facilitates conversations.

2710
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:05,040
And so, it's a pretty critical role. So,

2711
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,120
that's why we've felt really strongly

2712
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:08,840
about funding this position for the past

2713
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:10,520
four or five years.

2714
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:12,440
Unfortunately,

2715
01:48:12,440 --> 01:48:15,000
in in the last few years, the town or

2716
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:18,680
excuse me, the ZRC has lost some of our

2717
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:24,560
funding partners for this position. Um

2718
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:26,280
we are

2719
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:28,560
working on on solutions to to be

2720
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,400
creative with the funding that we do

2721
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,000
have left to make this a viable

2722
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,160
position, and we're fortunate that the

2723
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:35,560
incumbent in this position, Emily

2724
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:38,560
Freedman, is is very willing to work on

2725
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:43,120
creative solutions with us. So, this proposed agreement that's before

2726
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,440
the council tonight is very similar to

2727
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:46,520
agreements that have been proposed in

2728
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:48,240
the past, except for the total amount of

2729
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,920
compensation to the ZRC coordinator is

2730
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:52,720
significantly lower than what it's been

2731
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:54,600
in the past. Springdale's contribution

2732
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:56,200
remains the same,

2733
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:58,200
as do the contributions of our other

2734
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,200
funding partners. In in fact, Iron

2735
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:01,080
County has increased their

2736
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:03,400
participation. Um but other communities

2737
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:05,080
have or excuse me, other funding

2738
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,280
partners have dropped out. And so, the

2739
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:09,040
total compensation is less than what

2740
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,080
we've been able to offer in the past. In

2741
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:12,560
order to compensate for that, we've

2742
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,160
adjusted the scope of work of what the

2743
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:17,040
coordinator um, offers or what the

2744
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,800
services that she will be providing. Um,

2745
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,400
and we've also coordinated with one of

2746
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,760
our our local ZRC champions, Patty

2747
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:28,600
Weiss, who was a former council member

2748
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:30,520
in La Verkin. She's no longer a council

2749
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:32,200
member, but is willing to pick up a lot

2750
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,360
of the slack on a volunteer basis for

2751
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:37,360
what, um, Emily used to provide under

2752
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:38,920
her expanded scope with the with the

2753
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:40,440
larger sum. So, that's what this

2754
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,560
agreement does, um, and uh

2755
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:45,480
just asked that if the council wants to

2756
01:49:45,480 --> 01:49:47,280
support the this position to have the

2757
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,160
mayor sign this. And once all the other

2758
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:50,280
communities have signed, we'll have a

2759
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:51,400
complete

2760
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:54,240
um, agreement, so the ZRC can continue

2761
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,000
to function.

2762
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,600
Any questions?

2763
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:02,080
I do want to note that the two entities

2764
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:03,960
that are no longer funding this position

2765
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:06,920
are still participating in our ZRC

2766
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:08,480
workshops.

2767
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:10,040
And, um, they're just not on the

2768
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:12,400
steering committee. And also that there

2769
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:14,680
are a lot of groups beyond the funding

2770
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:16,160
partners that participate. So, it's a

2771
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:18,720
good opportunity for us to

2772
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,080
find out what they're doing in Kane

2773
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:21,640
County, what they're doing in Iron

2774
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:24,040
County, um, all the municipalities in

2775
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:25,401
Washington County. It's a it's a good

2776
01:50:25,401 --> 01:50:26,840
[clears throat] group, and we, as you

2777
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:28,840
see from my council reports, learn a lot

2778
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:30,360
about what's going on outside of

2779
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:33,240
Springdale. We also just completed the

2780
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:36,800
quarter management plan to, um, extend

2781
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:39,560
and renew the scenic byway scenic byway,

2782
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:41,840
um, SR-9 and

2783
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:45,200
still working on the Guadalupe trail had

2784
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:46,560
NEPA, and we have a lot of great

2785
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,200
projects going on, but it would be very

2786
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,920
difficult to do this relying on just the

2787
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:52,880
members that are on council in various

2788
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,480
communities because we have too much on

2789
01:50:55,480 --> 01:50:57,760
our plate to be planning meetings and

2790
01:50:57,760 --> 01:50:59,120
making the arrangements that Emily

2791
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:00,840
makes.

2792
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:02,480
We're lucky to have her. The grant

2793
01:51:02,480 --> 01:51:04,560
funding, doesn't she secure quite a bit

2794
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:05,000
of grant

2795
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,520
>> She does. She's gotten us a lot of grant

2796
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:08,720
money.

2797
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:10,760
She's amazing. She's one of those people

2798
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:12,000
that

2799
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:15,760
uh, ZRC has come a long way and much of

2800
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,520
it is due to her credit for all the work

2801
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:21,240
she does in the background for us. So,

2802
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:25,480
she's pretty amazing. She is amazing.

2803
01:51:25,480 --> 01:51:30,310
Questions?

2804
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,600
You want to make a motion? I move to

2805
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:36,160
approve the independent contractor agree

2806
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:38,280
agreement for the Zion Regional

2807
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:40,760
Collaborative Coordinator position with

2808
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:42,680
Emily Friedman.

2809
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:44,840
Um, with the

2810
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:47,240
uh, the town of Springdale committing

2811
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:49,920
$11,680

2812
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,480
towards that.

2813
01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:54,240
And direct the mayor to sign.

2814
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:56,320
I'll second. Motion by Jack, second by

2815
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:58,920
Kyla. Pat, I. Randy, I. Barbara, I.

2816
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:00,760
Jack, I. Kyla, I.

2817
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:01,600
Okay.

2818
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,600
Next item of business is discussion of a

2819
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,760
potential blanket allowance to disturb

2820
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:08,360
the Anasazi Plateau Conservation

2821
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:11,080
Easement by trimming native vegetation

2822
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:14,120
for the purpose of wildfire mitigation

2823
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:14,840
and possible [clears throat]

2824
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:17,840
ratification of prior approval of fire

2825
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,560
mitigation work already completed. And

2826
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:23,360
this is Tom Dansie. And I do want to

2827
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:25,080
disclose that I live on the Anasazi

2828
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:27,960
Plateau, but that won't impact my

2829
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,280
position on this.

2830
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:34,670
And I'll make the same disclosure.

2831
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:35,920
And I I

2832
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:37,720
disclose Three of us live up

2833
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:39,600
And I live over the hill from Anasazi.

2834
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:41,640
>> Yeah, you're you're as much as you're

2835
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,480
just about there. We've already mowed

2836
01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:46,080
our side.

2837
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:47,840
Thank you, Mayor. Um, as the council is

2838
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,880
aware, there's been a recent emphasis on

2839
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,600
wildfire preparedness and wildfire

2840
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,960
mitigation. Um, and a lot of that is is

2841
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:59,240
being brought on by um, a state mandate

2842
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:01,040
to adopt the Wildland Urban Interface

2843
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:02,880
Code. In fact, we had originally

2844
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:04,720
intended for the council to be acting on

2845
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:06,920
that tonight. Um,

2846
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:07,920
I

2847
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,640
let the council know why why we didn't

2848
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:11,400
do that tonight in a separate email, but

2849
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:13,040
that will be coming to you

2850
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:14,480
um, shortly.

2851
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:18,160
Um, but one of the one of the

2852
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:20,040
uh, results of all that emphasis that's

2853
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:21,920
been put on wildfire preparedness and

2854
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,880
wildfire mitigation um, is that

2855
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:26,280
uh,

2856
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:28,680
many homeowners want to be proactive in

2857
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:30,920
protecting their properties and taking

2858
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:33,760
steps necessary to to ensure their homes

2859
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:35,280
are fire safe.

2860
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,760
Um, also insurance companies are taking

2861
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:43,280
note of the wildfire hazard and are um,

2862
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:46,280
in many cases mandating homeowners to

2863
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:47,880
uh, proactively

2864
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:50,400
do some uh, wildfire mitigation in terms

2865
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,000
of visit vegetation treatment around

2866
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,720
their homes.

2867
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,080
In Anasazi Plateau, that can present a

2868
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:57,960
problem because in order to do some of

2869
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:00,920
this wildfire mitigation, that requires

2870
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:02,720
treating vegetation or modifying

2871
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:04,920
vegetation which is in the conservation

2872
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:06,960
easement. The conservation easement

2873
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:08,520
obviously is established to protect the

2874
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:10,040
conservation values of the property

2875
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:12,880
which include the native vegetation. And

2876
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:17,000
um, so there's a kind of a a baseline

2877
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,360
don't touch anything in the conservation

2878
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,920
easement uh,

2879
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:24,040
directive in the easement itself.

2880
01:54:24,040 --> 01:54:26,400
However, the easement does provide some

2881
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,200
uh, exemptions to that. The easement

2882
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:29,560
does provide some allowances for

2883
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:31,280
disturbance in the conservation

2884
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:34,040
easement. Um, and some of those

2885
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:36,680
allowances are to uh,

2886
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:38,760
the conservation easement allows the

2887
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:41,840
right of homeowners to maintain native

2888
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:43,800
vegetation in the conservation and also

2889
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:45,680
to remove hazardous

2890
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:48,280
uh, flora or hazardous vegetation from

2891
01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:50,560
the conservation easement.

2892
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,240
And so there is there is some allowance

2893
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:55,800
in the conservation easement to that

2894
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,320
would support um,

2895
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,480
treating or modifying vegetation in the

2896
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:02,640
conservation easement.

2897
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:04,720
In the past, uh, but but the

2898
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,200
conservation easement also requires the

2899
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:09,040
town council to

2900
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:10,440
homeowner to give notice to the town

2901
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:12,320
council or to the town.

2902
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,560
>> To the town of that proposed action and

2903
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:16,040
then the for the town to approve that.

2904
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:18,200
In the past, we have had the town

2905
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:20,520
council be the approval body for that

2906
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,040
action. However, there's nothing in the

2907
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:23,880
conservation easement that requires the

2908
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:25,880
council to to provide that action. The

2909
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:28,320
conservation easement just says the town

2910
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:30,080
needs to be

2911
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:32,000
notice needs to be provided to the town

2912
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,640
and then the town needs to give that

2913
01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:35,920
approval. Doesn't specifically require

2914
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:37,880
the council to do that. Because this is

2915
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:39,280
a significant issue, the conservation

2916
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:40,960
easement is so important. In the past,

2917
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:42,960
our practice has been to have the town

2918
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:44,760
council give that authorization. But

2919
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,480
that again, it's not legally required.

2920
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:49,200
Um so,

2921
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:50,480
a couple of things that are are

2922
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,000
pertinent to this. With all that

2923
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:53,040
background, a couple of things that are

2924
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:55,240
pertinent to this request.

2925
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,000
Uh there will likely be a number of

2926
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,760
properties, perhaps the majority of

2927
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:00,560
properties in Anasazi Plateau that will

2928
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:02,560
need to do some type of wildfire

2929
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,480
mitigation by modifying fuels around the

2930
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:07,760
property in the conservation easement to

2931
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:09,800
comply with wildland urban interface

2932
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:12,360
code requirements or to preserve and or

2933
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:14,640
to preserve their insurance.

2934
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:16,560
If each one of them come before you

2935
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,520
individually to make such a request, it

2936
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:20,360
could be very cumbersome.

2937
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:22,880
Um it could take a lot of of of time and

2938
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:24,040
it could be difficult for these

2939
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:25,760
homeowners that often times have very

2940
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,520
short timelines imposed on them to to do

2941
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:31,400
this mitigation. Um for instance, an

2942
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:33,320
insurance company could say, "You've got

2943
01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:35,600
60 days, 30 days to do this

2944
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:36,840
modification, otherwise we're going to

2945
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:38,360
cancel your insurance." That doesn't

2946
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:39,520
give them a lot of time to provide the

2947
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:41,120
required notice.

2948
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,960
Um so, the home the Anasazi Plateau

2949
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:45,840
Homeowners Association has suggested

2950
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,800
that you could grant a blanket

2951
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:50,440
authorization for property owners in

2952
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:52,880
Anasazi Plateau to to do that um

2953
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:54,880
preventative wildfire mitigat-

2954
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,440
mitigation by treating vegetation in the

2955
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:59,600
home in the conservation easement. If

2956
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:01,240
you want if you choose to do that, in

2957
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:02,320
the staff report there are some

2958
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:03,800
recommended conditions that I would

2959
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:05,560
recommend you attach to such an

2960
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:06,680
approval.

2961
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:08,240
Um all that work all the work needs to

2962
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:10,080
be done by a trained professional, a

2963
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,200
licensed arborist or or some other tree

2964
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:14,200
professional that is knowledgeable not

2965
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:15,920
only about how to appropriately trim

2966
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,480
trees, but also is knowledgeable in what

2967
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:20,160
the requirements of the wildland urban

2968
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:22,400
interface code are.

2969
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:26,360
Um another uh proposed requirement um is

2970
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:29,360
that the uh

2971
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:31,880
the only work the the only vegetation

2972
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:34,400
that can be modified is the vegetation

2973
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:35,280
that

2974
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,040
would need to be modified for compliance

2975
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:38,720
with wildland urban interface code

2976
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:40,440
requirements. So, this isn't a blanket

2977
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:42,040
oh yeah, go out and and take out all the

2978
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:43,320
trees you want in the conservation

2979
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,920
easement. It's no, only those trees that

2980
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,480
really need to be modified for WUI code

2981
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:50,760
compliance can be can be treated. And

2982
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,120
the third requirement is that um

2983
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:54,800
in instead of coming to you as a council

2984
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:58,200
for approval 60 days in advance, uh the

2985
01:57:58,200 --> 01:57:59,320
property owner would just need to come

2986
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:00,720
to the community development department

2987
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:02,480
and say, "Here's my plan. Here are the

2988
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:04,800
trees that I want to modify with a with

2989
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,600
a sketch plan of sufficient um detail

2990
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:08,840
that the community development

2991
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:10,240
department knows what trees are going to

2992
01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:13,640
be modified and can um do a uh kind of a

2993
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:17,760
truth check to make sure that that's realistic for WUI code

2994
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:18,880
compliance. So, those are the those are

2995
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:19,626
the

2996
01:58:19,626 --> 01:58:20,120
>> [clears throat]

2997
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:21,800
>> So, that's that's one item tonight. The

2998
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:24,680
other item is that um

2999
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:26,360
there have been instances where

3000
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:28,000
vegetation is already property owners

3001
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,480
have already gone out and and trimmed

3002
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:31,880
vegetation for WUI code compliance in

3003
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:34,160
Anasazi Plateau. And in at least one of

3004
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:35,960
the well, in in only one of those

3005
01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:39,960
instances, property owner came to me and for full disclosure, um

3006
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:41,480
Councilmember Burns, I I I think it's

3007
01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:43,040
important to to note that that this was

3008
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:44,800
you that that came to

3009
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,200
uh came to me and said, "Hey, I'm in

3010
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:49,720
jeopardy of losing my insurance. I need

3011
01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:52,080
to do do right now, uh otherwise my

3012
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:56,680
insurance is going to cancel my my insurance. Um

3013
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:58,880
I I met with with the property owner,

3014
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,120
Councilmember Burns, as well as the uh

3015
01:59:01,120 --> 01:59:02,400
representatives from the homeowners

3016
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:04,640
association, looked at the conservation

3017
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:07,040
easement, looked at at the reality of of

3018
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:08,800
Councilmember Burns' situation, and as

3019
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,520
town manager said, this is this qual-

3020
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:14,120
qualifies as an emergency as as defined

3021
01:59:14,120 --> 01:59:15,680
in the conservation easement that

3022
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:17,240
provides an allowance for exemption from

3023
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:19,760
the 60-day notice requirement, and as

3024
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:21,920
town manager approved that request. So,

3025
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:25,440
that the the second part of this is um

3026
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:26,840
a- again, whereas town council approval

3027
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:29,240
is not a requirement, um if you feel

3028
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:30,720
that approval was appropriate, you could

3029
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:32,920
ratify that approval so that we are

3030
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:35,360
consistent with previous approvals for

3031
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:36,920
the conservation easement that the town

3032
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:38,360
council approved that, and we're not

3033
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:39,720
setting a precedent that this is a town

3034
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:41,120
manager approval, but this remains a

3035
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:44,470
town council approval.

3036
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,087
That's a lot of talking. I apologize.

3037
01:59:46,087 --> 01:59:46,960
[laughter] Now, it's time for you to

3038
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:47,280
talk.

3039
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,480
>> I I want to clarify that this is only

3040
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:54,920
trees in the easement. I think I mentioned to you, I had a tree

3041
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:57,920
removed today that was on my property

3042
01:59:57,920 --> 01:59:59,920
that the um

3043
01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:01,720
that Dave Harmon recommended that we

3044
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:04,160
take out. Do we need to notify you of

3045
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,320
those? Should I have notified you of

3046
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:07,920
those? I did notify you of that.

3047
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:09,680
>> did notify me, and I I confirmed that

3048
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:11,320
you had planted the requisite two

3049
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:13,000
replacement plants, which you had. Nice

3050
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:15,440
work. Um so, there is no process in the

3051
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:18,000
code that requires uh a property owner

3052
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,240
to notify the town if they are removing

3053
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:21,680
vegetation. There is, however, a

3054
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:23,200
requirement that if vegetation is

3055
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:24,440
removed, you need to replace it at a

3056
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:27,400
two-to-one ratio. So, it would be nice

3057
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,000
for homeowners that that are removing

3058
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,840
vegetation on their properties

3059
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:34,280
to notify us saying, "Hey, I'm taking

3060
02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:35,560
these trees out, and here are where my

3061
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:36,840
replacement plants are going." That

3062
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:38,640
would be great. There's nothing in the

3063
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:41,360
code that requires it. Okay.

3064
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:45,040
And so, what if trees have to be removed

3065
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:45,600
um

3066
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:48,360
in the conservation easement?

3067
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:50,320
That's that Yeah, I mean, are we still

3068
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,400
at the two to one?

3069
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:54,600
No.

3070
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:55,720
Or are we?

3071
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:56,880
Well,

3072
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,920
the the code says yes. Are even in Okay.

3073
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:00,360
Yes, it

3074
02:01:00,360 --> 02:01:01,760
>> I thought that was just in conjunction

3075
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:02,760
with projects.

3076
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:05,640
>> It it doesn't differentiate between uh

3077
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:08,360
between a an a juniper tree on a private

3078
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:10,120
I mean, the the conservation easement is

3079
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:11,680
privately held property, right? But, it

3080
02:01:11,680 --> 02:01:13,600
doesn't it doesn't differentiate between

3081
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:16,440
um a a homeowner's lot and and the

3082
02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:18,480
conservation says, "If any native

3083
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:20,480
vegetation is removed, you need to

3084
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:22,840
replace it at a two to one ratio."

3085
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:23,320
That's the

3086
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:25,280
>> same type tree, though? Because if if

3087
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:26,960
junipers are a problem, do we really

3088
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,600
want to plant more junipers? So, so yes,

3089
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:34,520
of the same or similar species. This is a a discussion that I think um

3090
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:35,640
the planning commission has already

3091
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:37,520
identified as as something they want to

3092
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:39,000
work on.

3093
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,440
Um recognizing that we we we have a

3094
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,240
potential

3095
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:47,160
uh clash of competing goals. One is we

3096
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:48,560
want to preserve native vegetation, we

3097
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:49,560
want to preserve the community

3098
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:51,320
character, we want and I place an

3099
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:53,520
emphasis on natural features.

3100
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:55,360
And the other goal, we want to make sure

3101
02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:56,280
that

3102
02:01:56,280 --> 02:01:58,720
we protect people from wildfire.

3103
02:01:58,720 --> 02:02:00,400
And and

3104
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:02,120
what changes to the land use code are

3105
02:02:02,120 --> 02:02:07,600
necessary so that we can continue to to support both of those goals. And that

3106
02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:09,640
may be one of the changes. Are we going

3107
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:11,840
to continue to require two trees of the

3108
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:14,000
same or similar species to be planted?

3109
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:14,760
Are we going to get rid of that

3110
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:16,080
requirement? Are we going to modify that

3111
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:17,520
requirement? I think that's something

3112
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:18,440
the planning commission has already

3113
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:20,440
identified as a work item. Okay. So,

3114
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:21,960
they'll answer that question.

3115
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:23,720
>> that's a very good thing to do because

3116
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:26,600
it you know, from what

3117
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:29,080
Dave Harmon a while and fire chief told

3118
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:30,440
me,

3119
02:02:30,440 --> 02:02:31,920
junipers

3120
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:35,120
are much more flammable than

3121
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:37,800
say ponderosa

3122
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:40,680
or other deciduous and deciduous trees,

3123
02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:44,200
he said, are not a real concern.

3124
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:45,440
Although we would want to make sure

3125
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:46,560
they're

3126
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,520
indigenous deciduous trees. I mean,

3127
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:51,280
that's Yeah, and and again, these are

3128
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:53,000
all things that policy considerations

3129
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:54,960
that I I I think what the the commission

3130
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:56,760
would want to consider.

3131
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:58,360
Yes, we want them to be fire-safe and

3132
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:00,360
fire-wise. And mayor, yes, we want them

3133
02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:01,840
to be consistent with the community

3134
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:03,640
character. And so, we're not planting

3135
02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:06,120
things that are completely foreign or or

3136
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:07,960
out of place in Springdale. And so, what

3137
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:09,560
that looks like, um

3138
02:03:09,560 --> 02:03:11,040
I I think allowing the planning

3139
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:12,160
commission to hash that out and bring a

3140
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:13,240
recommendation to you would be a good

3141
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:16,600
idea. So, what our issue tonight is to

3142
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:18,960
consider a blanket approval for removing

3143
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:22,280
trees that are a problem under WUI

3144
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:24,360
with getting permission from the

3145
02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:26,840
community development department rather

3146
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:29,320
than having to come to council and

3147
02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:31,520
ratifying the action you took in an

3148
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:33,920
emergency to to allow some trees to be

3149
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,720
trimmed. Correct. Okay. And not really

3150
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:38,520
discussing that

3151
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:40,920
uh if you do this not discussing the

3152
02:03:40,920 --> 02:03:42,760
replacement.

3153
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:44,560
Tonight, we're not discussing that,

3154
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,520
right? Well, you you you can discuss it,

3155
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:47,800
but you can't take any action on it.

3156
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:50,040
>> Right. Um that's that's a that's in

3157
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:51,640
code, that's an ordinance change. It has

3158
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:52,760
to go through the ordinance revision

3159
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:54,680
process.

3160
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:56,200
So, we might as well not discuss that.

3161
02:03:56,200 --> 02:03:58,440
We might as well just discuss what we

3162
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:01,120
can act on tonight.

3163
02:04:01,120 --> 02:04:02,280
Yeah, knowing that I mean, planning

3164
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:03,760
commission's going to work on it and

3165
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:06,470
Right.

3166
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:08,560
look at it from all angles.

3167
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,840
And then we'll get to see it. Um Tom, I

3168
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:12,640
did have a question about your

3169
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:17,240
the three conditions or I guess um

3170
02:04:17,240 --> 02:04:19,680
in the three conditions

3171
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:21,680
WUI is mentioned.

3172
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:23,880
And that, you know, if WUI code requires

3173
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:25,880
it, is the insurance always going to

3174
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:27,960
comply with WUI?

3175
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:29,880
Or could the insurance be asking people

3176
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:32,840
to do things that are beyond what the

3177
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:35,440
wildland inner urban interface would

3178
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:39,360
require? That's a great question. And we had a really good presentation last

3179
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:41,920
night from um Fire Marshall John

3180
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:44,360
Hennessy in Jamison Valley

3181
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:46,720
um who's who's an expert in these

3182
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:49,280
situations, and and he said, "Yes,

3183
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:52,000
WUI is one thing, um and oftentimes

3184
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,596
insurance companies will want

3185
02:04:54,596 --> 02:04:56,280
[clears throat] above and beyond what

3186
02:04:56,280 --> 02:04:58,160
WUI requires."

3187
02:04:58,160 --> 02:04:59,240
Um

3188
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:01,400
and

3189
02:05:01,400 --> 02:05:04,080
his and for those council members who

3190
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:05,240
were who were there last night, you can

3191
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:11,120
correct me if if I'm misstating him, his recommendation was stick with WUI

3192
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:13,520
because WUI is is defensible, WUI is

3193
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:16,560
what the adopted code is, um and and

3194
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,080
sometimes you can even use WUI to push

3195
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,760
back on insurance companies, but he that

3196
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:22,960
that's if I heard him correctly last

3197
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:24,840
night, that was his recommendation.

3198
02:05:24,840 --> 02:05:26,240
I wouldn't want to open this up too

3199
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:30,240
much, and I like I like the idea that

3200
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:32,960
they the the remover would still need

3201
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:35,480
permission from the town. I don't think

3202
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:37,520
council needs to get involved, but we've

3203
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,040
got a great board now, and we have an

3204
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:40,200
arborist who happens to be our

3205
02:05:40,200 --> 02:05:41,840
president, but

3206
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:43,600
you know, we've got to think about what

3207
02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:45,760
would happen if somebody decided to use

3208
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:47,440
that excuse just to start taking some

3209
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:48,880
things out. But, we don't want that to

3210
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:49,960
happen.

3211
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:54,840
And I completely agree with that. Like I I have real concerns that like the

3212
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:57,240
knee-jerk reaction is just to take it

3213
02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:59,080
all out, right? Like

3214
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:00,680
if junipers are a problem, let's just

3215
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:02,320
take them all out.

3216
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:04,160
But, what I do see is that with the

3217
02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:06,080
conditions that specifically mention

3218
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:09,320
WUI, if Jack were in the same situation

3219
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:11,280
after we've passed this, he's still in

3220
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:13,600
an emergency situation, and maybe his

3221
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:15,320
insurance company is asking him to do

3222
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:17,560
something above and beyond what the WUI

3223
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:19,800
would say, and then he goes to community

3224
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:21,680
development, and he's still going to be

3225
02:06:21,680 --> 02:06:24,400
told that maybe he can't do it unless

3226
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,520
I'm understanding

3227
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:28,240
misunderstanding

3228
02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:29,920
the conditions.

3229
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:34,160
Like I want to make sure that we're minding the emergency situation

3230
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:35,520
where somebody's going to be losing

3231
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:37,000
insurance coverage because their

3232
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:39,680
insurance is asking for something

3233
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:40,960
we have not

3234
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:43,600
accommodated. That's a that's a very

3235
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:46,360
good point. The second

3236
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:48,840
um finding only vegetation modification

3237
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:51,200
necessary for compliance with the WUI

3238
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:54,720
code defensible space requirements

3239
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:57,760
as you said, insurance companies

3240
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,040
might come back and say, "No, I won't

3241
02:07:00,040 --> 02:07:02,000
put that one down, too."

3242
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:03,840
Well, and I mean, I know you know, at

3243
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:05,800
the Rose Cottage before

3244
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:08,440
WUI was even mentioned, I had an

3245
02:07:08,440 --> 02:07:10,120
insurance company who said, "You've got

3246
02:07:10,120 --> 02:07:11,880
a tree too close to the cottage." I

3247
02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:13,680
mean, they're looking at what is a

3248
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:15,920
potential claim.

3249
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:17,760
And you know, they said, "You're going

3250
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:20,240
to have to address that tree."

3251
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:23,560
But I don't want somebody to come to

3252
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:25,080
the town and say, "Oh, my insurance

3253
02:07:25,080 --> 02:07:26,560
company said they'll cancel if I don't

3254
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:28,760
take that tree out when that's not the

3255
02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:31,200
case." WUI is dependable. In those

3256
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:33,360
situations, we could address those

3257
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:36,480
individual situations. I think we're

3258
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,840
going to have people

3259
02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:42,080
using insurance companies an excuse.

3260
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:43,680
I don't know. I I think we need to be

3261
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:45,960
careful here. I agree. I completely

3262
02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:48,680
agree because it is a loophole, but if

3263
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:51,160
we don't address it, we're leaving it to

3264
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:53,920
Tom doing these emergency things.

3265
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:55,760
And if we're okay with that, then maybe

3266
02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:57,920
that's the procedure.

3267
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:00,710
But

3268
02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:03,800
we're kind of with these conditions

3269
02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:06,720
not addressing the emergency situation.

3270
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:09,160
Well, do we do we have a requirement

3271
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:12,560
that there's something in writing

3272
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:15,520
for both WUI and insurance companies?

3273
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:18,120
>> I would say you should be able to show

3274
02:08:18,120 --> 02:08:19,720
documentation from your insurance

3275
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:21,680
company, but I will tell you from my

3276
02:08:21,680 --> 02:08:23,520
recent experience, I requested the

3277
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:26,800
inspection report twice. They never sent

3278
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:27,680
it.

3279
02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:30,520
The agent requested it from corporate.

3280
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:32,440
They didn't send it. They just sent me

3281
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:33,600
photos.

3282
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:34,320
So, how did

3283
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:38,040
>> But but I had in writing the initial

3284
02:08:38,040 --> 02:08:40,160
email from them saying here's where you

3285
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:41,360
failed.

3286
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:43,080
So, I mean So, you did have something in

3287
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:44,480
writing.

3288
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:45,720
Yeah.

3289
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:47,360
and and I don't know that I

3290
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,360
honestly trust an insurance company to

3291
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:51,320
have

3292
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:54,360
the conservation easement and

3293
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:56,800
Oh, I Absolutely. They do. I guarantee

3294
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,440
you. Well, they won't. And they're

3295
02:08:58,440 --> 02:09:00,520
looking for reasons to cancel people in

3296
02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:03,600
certain areas. So, I think I think what

3297
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:05,960
Tom said that we we gives us something

3298
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:07,760
to push back on insurance companies

3299
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:10,760
with. But what I don't want to do I I

3300
02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:12,520
want to do some kind of a blanket

3301
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:14,200
approval. I I just don't want to go too

3302
02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:17,080
far. I think we can we can step toward

3303
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:19,400
more liberal policy. I don't think we

3304
02:09:19,400 --> 02:09:22,000
want to start with a liberal policy.

3305
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,640
Cuz I'm afraid

3306
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:25,680
of what could happen with

3307
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:27,440
the easement. Frankly, I mean that's why

3308
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:32,160
we all live there is because we have this natural environment.

3309
02:09:32,160 --> 02:09:34,800
And I I think that's that's important,

3310
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:35,800
but

3311
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:38,640
why are we passing this ordinance?

3312
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:40,680
We're passing this ordinance so that our

3313
02:09:40,680 --> 02:09:42,080
residents

3314
02:09:42,080 --> 02:09:43,800
keep their home owners insured or able

3315
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:45,040
to

3316
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:46,600
uh keep their home owners insured.

3317
02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:49,080
>> I'd say keep their homes. And and keep

3318
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:51,280
their Well, the we goes

3319
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:52,520
Well, we're going to pass for them to

3320
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:54,080
keep their homes.

3321
02:09:54,080 --> 02:09:55,920
That that's a

3322
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:58,000
um

3323
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:00,320
And I I think that's when we're really

3324
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,360
going to I think this ordinance

3325
02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:06,510
is more

3326
02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:08,480
geared toward

3327
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:16,230
uh the home owners insurance.

3328
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:18,400
That's the way I look at it. Now, yes,

3329
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:19,760
it is

3330
02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:23,760
something that we are doing because

3331
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:25,560
we have been We're made aware of this

3332
02:10:25,560 --> 02:10:26,840
because we're going to have to pass a

3333
02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:28,360
way code.

3334
02:10:28,360 --> 02:10:31,240
Uh but what ultimately what's the goal?

3335
02:10:31,240 --> 02:10:34,000
Um I think the goal is to help

3336
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:35,120
our

3337
02:10:35,120 --> 02:10:35,680
um

3338
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:37,120
residents keep their homeowners

3339
02:10:37,120 --> 02:10:39,440
insurances as much as possible. Give

3340
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:40,640
them

3341
02:10:40,640 --> 02:10:42,000
a way of being able to keep their

3342
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:44,120
homeowners insurance. So, I'm

3343
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:45,160
um

3344
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:46,720
you know, I think Kyle raised some

3345
02:10:46,720 --> 02:10:48,400
really good points.

3346
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,560
And and and Jack has had some experience

3347
02:10:51,560 --> 02:10:52,800
with this.

3348
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:55,080
Maybe we also add something to the

3349
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:56,600
effect that

3350
02:10:56,600 --> 02:10:58,080
uh if

3351
02:10:58,080 --> 02:10:59,560
somebody

3352
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:01,880
uh can come with a

3353
02:11:01,880 --> 02:11:05,040
insurance company's inspection report

3354
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:05,720
that

3355
02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:07,640
>> even that far. It just needs to be maybe

3356
02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:10,680
documentation that says notified

3357
02:11:10,680 --> 02:11:12,600
>> However the However the homeowner was

3358
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:14,880
notified that this particular thing is

3359
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:16,920
out of compliance and will result in

3360
02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:18,800
loss of insurance.

3361
02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:21,480
I think if they can prove that

3362
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:22,920
then

3363
02:11:22,920 --> 02:11:25,080
that's what they would bring to us

3364
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:27,480
right at a council meeting instead of

3365
02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:29,240
meeting that making them wait the 30 to

3366
02:11:29,240 --> 02:11:31,400
60 days to come to council and let us

3367
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:34,000
look at that same thing. Let's have them

3368
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:35,800
take it to staff.

3369
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:36,880
Um

3370
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:40,640
and and just make I don't like I said, I

3371
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:42,360
don't think the insurance company has

3372
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:45,320
the conservation easements uh best

3373
02:11:45,320 --> 02:11:46,960
interest at heart, right? They're

3374
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:49,480
protecting themselves and in in the name

3375
02:11:49,480 --> 02:11:51,360
of protecting you.

3376
02:11:51,360 --> 02:11:53,840
I don't always buy it, but I also see

3377
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,040
that if we pass these three conditions

3378
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:57,960
as they are

3379
02:11:57,960 --> 02:12:00,360
it does not address the actual emergency

3380
02:12:00,360 --> 02:12:03,240
situation that we've been in.

3381
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:04,920
That's my opinion. Tom, if you see it

3382
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:06,560
differently, if you think the way it's

3383
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:09,440
written is fine, then maybe I

3384
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,760
there's not a an issue. I I think there

3385
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:13,400
is an issue and I think it's just a a

3386
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:16,640
matter of how much um

3387
02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:20,880
risk the council is is okay with. When I

3388
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:22,960
say risk, that's maybe the bad word

3389
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:24,800
because this isn't wildfire risk, this

3390
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:26,440
is risk of damage to the conservation

3391
02:12:26,440 --> 02:12:28,600
easement, right? Um you know, if an

3392
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:30,640
insurance company comes to a a homeowner

3393
02:12:30,640 --> 02:12:32,160
and says, "You have to clear-cut

3394
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:35,680
everything within 150 ft of your of your

3395
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:36,760
house."

3396
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:39,920
And there's 16

3397
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:41,520
uh juniper trees in the conservation

3398
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:43,720
easement that come out.

3399
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:46,680
And are you are you okay with that?

3400
02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:48,280
I that that that's that's a kind of an

3401
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:50,840
extreme you know, hyperbolic situation.

3402
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:52,080
I mean that that that may never come to

3403
02:12:52,080 --> 02:12:54,040
pass, but it could. And would you would

3404
02:12:54,040 --> 02:12:56,160
you be okay with that?

3405
02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:58,840
Or not? The the

3406
02:12:58,840 --> 02:13:01,040
um Well, I was asked that. I mean, the

3407
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:03,920
one guy I I kept getting mixed messages.

3408
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:05,800
The one guy said, "You need to clear

3409
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:07,680
vegetation 100 ft from your house." I

3410
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:09,400
said, "I'm not going to do that. I'm

3411
02:13:09,400 --> 02:13:12,120
going to look for a different carrier."

3412
02:13:12,120 --> 02:13:14,280
And and and so you you were successful

3413
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:15,640
in pushing back on that. A different

3414
02:13:15,640 --> 02:13:17,720
homeowner may say, "Oh my goodness, this

3415
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:19,080
is what my insurance carrier is telling

3416
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:23,480
me." And and not have that ability or or that desire to push back. And they

3417
02:13:23,480 --> 02:13:25,920
come to the town and say, "I got to

3418
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:28,000
clear-cut everything within 100 ft. I

3419
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:31,120
got to take out all these trees."

3420
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:33,320
Would the council be okay with that?

3421
02:13:33,320 --> 02:13:35,040
If so, then yes, we we we could add in

3422
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:36,480
something about documentation from the

3423
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:38,440
insurance company. If not, then we leave

3424
02:13:38,440 --> 02:13:39,920
that out and we're in the situation that

3425
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:41,360
you that you described where we are

3426
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:43,040
potentially not addressing all of the

3427
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:45,240
emergency situations. It I I don't think

3428
02:13:45,240 --> 02:13:48,760
there's there's a perfect

3429
02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:50,760
uh solution either way. It is one of

3430
02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:51,840
those

3431
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:53,720
challenging

3432
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:56,480
Well, we know what Wooey is trying to

3433
02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,800
do. Wooey is trying to protect our homes

3434
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:01,600
and protect the state and and all those

3435
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:03,800
things. Insurance companies don't

3436
02:14:03,800 --> 02:14:06,080
necessarily have our best interests in

3437
02:14:06,080 --> 02:14:07,680
mind. They're trying to protect

3438
02:14:07,680 --> 02:14:10,200
themselves. I just

3439
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:12,240
I think there's a lot of room between

3440
02:14:12,240 --> 02:14:14,080
giving blanket approval for woo

3441
02:14:14,080 --> 02:14:17,120
e-compliance and giving blanket approval

3442
02:14:17,120 --> 02:14:19,440
for someone because they

3443
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:21,840
their insurance company wants them to do

3444
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:25,280
something. I think that's a that's a big stretch.

3445
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,560
>> Well, maybe that maybe that falls

3446
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:29,760
outside of the blanket approval. You

3447
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:31,920
know, that's when it does kick in the

3448
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:33,840
30-60 day notification.

3449
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:36,400
>> Well, we could we could

3450
02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:38,360
keep keep it outside the blanket

3451
02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:40,720
approval, but give someone give the

3452
02:14:40,720 --> 02:14:43,040
community development

3453
02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:47,160
uh department authority to look at these

3454
02:14:47,160 --> 02:14:49,960
emergencies on a case-by-case basis and

3455
02:14:49,960 --> 02:14:51,560
make a decision

3456
02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:52,960
and hold them harmless from the

3457
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:54,280
decision. We could do something like

3458
02:14:54,280 --> 02:14:55,920
that, couldn't we?

3459
02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:58,720
You Yes, you could. An an another thing

3460
02:14:58,720 --> 02:15:01,240
that you could do is is to say, "We are

3461
02:15:01,240 --> 02:15:03,280
going this

3462
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:05,960
if if someone has a

3463
02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:07,320
uh

3464
02:15:07,320 --> 02:15:08,800
threat of cancellation of their

3465
02:15:08,800 --> 02:15:10,120
homeowner's insurance, we're not going

3466
02:15:10,120 --> 02:15:12,480
to require the full 60-day notice

3467
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:14,240
and we're going to expedite their review

3468
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:16,480
to get on a town council meeting." Yeah.

3469
02:15:16,480 --> 02:15:17,280
And

3470
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:17,720
>> Yes. Okay.

3471
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:19,600
>> And and that way you retain that

3472
02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:21,480
approval authority

3473
02:15:21,480 --> 02:15:24,040
and you make sure that you get to review

3474
02:15:24,040 --> 02:15:25,600
all these difficult situations rather

3475
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:27,600
than putting the onus on staff.

3476
02:15:27,600 --> 02:15:31,400
And and that too could be something that a homeowner could use to push back

3477
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:34,120
against the an insurance company.

3478
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:36,680
So. I mean, I I I guess I'll just use my

3479
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:38,960
experience that was like I asked them to

3480
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:41,240
wait until the HOA had their meeting on

3481
02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:42,760
the 14th.

3482
02:15:42,760 --> 02:15:44,600
They said, "No.

3483
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:46,640
We're not going to wait." Then they came

3484
02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:47,960
to me

3485
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:49,800
um after that and they said, "If we

3486
02:15:49,800 --> 02:15:51,640
don't have a response from you by the

3487
02:15:51,640 --> 02:15:55,040
7th, we're going to cancel your policy."

3488
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:56,440
And so,

3489
02:15:56,440 --> 02:15:58,400
they kind of set their own time frame,

3490
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:00,760
you know, and I I I said, you know, "Can

3491
02:16:00,760 --> 02:16:03,320
I have some wiggle room?" They said,

3492
02:16:03,320 --> 02:16:05,240
"No." You know, so.

3493
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:08,120
Well, I don't I don't think the council

3494
02:16:08,120 --> 02:16:10,200
necessarily makes better decisions on

3495
02:16:10,200 --> 02:16:12,240
these things than the community

3496
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:14,720
development department anyway. I don't I

3497
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:16,400
don't know that I think we have to make

3498
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:18,760
that decision, but I think that there

3499
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:21,280
ought to be a higher standard of proof

3500
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:23,280
when someone says they're in danger of

3501
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:24,880
losing insurance

3502
02:16:24,880 --> 02:16:26,480
and

3503
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:30,960
then if it's a wee thing cuz wee thing we can

3504
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:33,559
look at we we can see we know what wee

3505
02:16:33,559 --> 02:16:35,000
says, right?

3506
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:37,480
It's standard. It's written. Maybe we

3507
02:16:37,480 --> 02:16:39,120
don't understand it, but we can sure

3508
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:39,679
try.

3509
02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:42,599
>> like it. We don't like it, but insurance

3510
02:16:42,599 --> 02:16:44,040
I mean there's different brands.

3511
02:16:44,040 --> 02:16:45,559
>> It's arbitrary. Yeah.

3512
02:16:45,559 --> 02:16:47,920
>> they can there's different inspectors.

3513
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:50,960
It's it's very um it's all over the

3514
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:53,639
place. So I think

3515
02:16:53,639 --> 02:16:56,880
that yeah, how can we can retain some

3516
02:16:56,880 --> 02:16:58,880
control

3517
02:16:58,880 --> 02:17:01,880
uh but still allow for people to to make

3518
02:17:01,880 --> 02:17:03,519
action quickly when they need to.

3519
02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:05,200
>> And someone I know who lives in the

3520
02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:08,559
middle of Hurricane and not

3521
02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:10,920
in an area like ours was dropped by the

3522
02:17:10,920 --> 02:17:12,920
same insurance company.

3523
02:17:12,920 --> 02:17:15,440
They're sometimes they want they tell

3524
02:17:15,440 --> 02:17:17,440
you to do drastic things just because

3525
02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:19,000
they want to drop you.

3526
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:22,080
And so I don't I don't want everybody to

3527
02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:24,920
start raising the whole conservation

3528
02:17:24,920 --> 02:17:26,639
easement because insurance companies are

3529
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:28,840
trying to get you to to find a new

3530
02:17:28,840 --> 02:17:32,000
carrier. And that's a possibility. So is

3531
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:33,880
community development comfortable with

3532
02:17:33,880 --> 02:17:35,559
making the decisions when it comes to

3533
02:17:35,559 --> 02:17:42,430
insurance companies?

3534
02:17:42,440 --> 02:17:44,679
I think we Welcome to your new job.

3535
02:17:44,679 --> 02:17:46,195
Yeah, thanks.

3536
02:17:46,195 --> 02:17:46,280
>> [laughter]

3537
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:49,709
>> Day one.

3538
02:17:49,719 --> 02:17:53,480
I think we could become comfortable.

3539
02:17:53,480 --> 02:17:55,360
I think if we had some parameters to

3540
02:17:55,360 --> 02:17:58,400
work with and

3541
02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:01,280
you know set up a process for ourselves.

3542
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:03,760
I think it is something that we could do

3543
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:06,040
if we define the process.

3544
02:18:06,040 --> 02:18:09,880
You know, I know with residential DDRs,

3545
02:18:09,880 --> 02:18:12,160
unless there's something different or

3546
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:15,320
controversial, you approve those. But if

3547
02:18:15,320 --> 02:18:17,400
they're if they're tricky, you go to

3548
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:19,240
planning commission. We could have a set

3549
02:18:19,240 --> 02:18:21,080
up something like that.

3550
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:24,320
Yeah, I think it's something we could do if we

3551
02:18:24,320 --> 02:18:26,120
established a process. I think you're

3552
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:28,200
more expert at this stuff than we are.

3553
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:32,040
And I don't want to I don't want to slow

3554
02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:33,800
down the process, but I don't want to

3555
02:18:33,800 --> 02:18:36,280
give a blanket approval for

3556
02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:38,160
just everything.

3557
02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:40,040
Yeah, I I think we could definitely have

3558
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:40,400
kind of

3559
02:18:40,400 --> 02:18:42,960
>> Jeff Jeff has something to say. He might

3560
02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:47,669
know something about fire.

3561
02:18:47,679 --> 02:18:50,599
Yeah, the WUI standards are national and

3562
02:18:50,599 --> 02:18:53,040
were developed by, you know, state and

3563
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:55,240
federal agencies.

3564
02:18:55,240 --> 02:18:58,320
Um one suggestion might be to go to

3565
02:18:58,320 --> 02:19:01,639
state insurance commission office and

3566
02:19:01,639 --> 02:19:03,240
see if they've wrestled with this

3567
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:06,519
question of WUI and

3568
02:19:06,519 --> 02:19:10,400
private property, um

3569
02:19:10,400 --> 02:19:12,679
it would seem like this has come up

3570
02:19:12,679 --> 02:19:14,519
before, maybe not relative to the

3571
02:19:14,519 --> 02:19:17,599
conservation easement, but um it might

3572
02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:19,360
be worth checking with the insurance

3573
02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:21,280
commission.

3574
02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:22,719
Thank you.

3575
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:24,840
Yeah, my insurance agent said they are

3576
02:19:24,840 --> 02:19:27,719
being absolutely bombarded

3577
02:19:27,719 --> 02:19:30,120
with questions about this.

3578
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:32,440
So, [clears throat] what if we were to

3579
02:19:32,440 --> 02:19:35,880
grant this blanket approval for WUI code

3580
02:19:35,880 --> 02:19:39,800
and ask Niall to check with the

3581
02:19:39,800 --> 02:19:41,519
insurance commission and come back with

3582
02:19:41,519 --> 02:19:45,559
a recommendation on insurance

3583
02:19:45,559 --> 02:19:48,840
and company requests.

3584
02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:50,360
>> I mean, if he gets an answer that it's

3585
02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:51,800
like, well, now we need to craft a whole

3586
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:54,000
new

3587
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:55,520
I think either way they're crafting a

3588
02:19:55,520 --> 02:19:59,320
whole new thing, but so so

3589
02:19:59,320 --> 02:20:01,280
I'm comfortable granting the blanket

3590
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:03,880
approval to comply with WUI code. I

3591
02:20:03,880 --> 02:20:06,240
personally, and I may be outvoted, but

3592
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:07,760
I'm not in

3593
02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:10,720
I'm not comfortable granting permission

3594
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:11,920
because somebody says they're going to

3595
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:13,920
lose their insurance if they don't do

3596
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:16,750
something.

3597
02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:22,480
Yeah, and in the meantime, I mean, could we at least in the meantime say

3598
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:25,320
that the 60-day 60-day notice isn't

3599
02:20:25,320 --> 02:20:27,600
required? That they if they need to

3600
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:29,240
come, you know, they need to get on the

3601
02:20:29,240 --> 02:20:31,760
agenda next. Like if that way this the

3602
02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:33,840
process is still in place. It's still

3603
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:35,560
coming to us.

3604
02:20:35,560 --> 02:20:37,720
Um But you you separate issue though,

3605
02:20:37,720 --> 02:20:39,080
right?

3606
02:20:39,080 --> 02:20:40,320
The 60-day thing would have to be a

3607
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:42,160
separate issue than this, yes? Yeah, but

3608
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:43,800
it it really so this wouldn't have

3609
02:20:43,800 --> 02:20:45,480
solved the problem that Jack had. Well,

3610
02:20:45,480 --> 02:20:49,950
you're talking about though um

3611
02:20:49,960 --> 02:20:51,720
uh someone being threatened to lose

3612
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:53,560
their insurance

3613
02:20:53,560 --> 02:20:56,040
outside of trying to meet the WUI

3614
02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:56,960
standard.

3615
02:20:56,960 --> 02:20:57,200
>> Right.

3616
02:20:57,200 --> 02:20:58,680
>> Yeah, I agree with that.

3617
02:20:58,680 --> 02:21:01,080
Right, so it wouldn't have solved but

3618
02:21:01,080 --> 02:21:03,080
I'll say again that you know, when we

3619
02:21:03,080 --> 02:21:05,760
talk about making people come to us, are

3620
02:21:05,760 --> 02:21:07,520
we really

3621
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:10,360
more expert than community development?

3622
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:12,080
No, I'm saying like as a quick band-aid

3623
02:21:12,080 --> 02:21:13,920
while community development is figuring

3624
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:16,400
out what a good policy would be for

3625
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:19,400
insurance issues. Because Tom, am I

3626
02:21:19,400 --> 02:21:21,880
right in thinking in order

3627
02:21:21,880 --> 02:21:23,040
for somebody to do work in the

3628
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:24,880
conservation easement right now, they

3629
02:21:24,880 --> 02:21:27,800
need to give us 60 days notice. That's

3630
02:21:27,800 --> 02:21:28,840
correct.

3631
02:21:28,840 --> 02:21:30,600
I thought it was 30.

3632
02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:31,320
Uh

3633
02:21:31,320 --> 02:21:33,000
let me

3634
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:33,840
It might be 30.

3635
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:36,520
>> Yeah, here it says 30. There's a 30-day

3636
02:21:36,520 --> 02:21:37,800
That's right. And then we have to we

3637
02:21:37,800 --> 02:21:39,600
have to act on it in 60 days. So we have

3638
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:41,280
60 days to act. That's Yeah, that's what

3639
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:43,160
it is. They they have to give us 30 days

3640
02:21:43,160 --> 02:21:44,360
and then we have to act on it in 60

3641
02:21:44,360 --> 02:21:47,710
days. Thank you.

3642
02:21:47,720 --> 02:21:50,040
I I don't know. I mean, I I I guess if

3643
02:21:50,040 --> 02:21:52,040
Tom has the ability as the manager to

3644
02:21:52,040 --> 02:21:54,440
make and and then ask come come back to

3645
02:21:54,440 --> 02:21:57,480
ask and us and ask us to ratify. Maybe

3646
02:21:57,480 --> 02:21:58,560
that's just the way it's going to have

3647
02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:01,800
to be until we can figure out

3648
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:04,480
this middle ground.

3649
02:22:04,480 --> 02:22:05,560
Since that

3650
02:22:05,560 --> 02:22:09,590
we're in just a tight spot.

3651
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:11,200
There are going to be emergencies and

3652
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:12,480
I'm not willing to let insurance

3653
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:15,480
companies just run roughshod over that

3654
02:22:15,480 --> 02:22:16,760
land.

3655
02:22:16,760 --> 02:22:19,880
So if if it's an insurance issue and

3656
02:22:19,880 --> 02:22:21,680
they have to come to council, that does

3657
02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:25,560
add an extra layer of

3658
02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:27,560
caution, if you will.

3659
02:22:27,560 --> 02:22:32,920
Even though we're no more expert than Nile, but at least it does add an

3660
02:22:32,920 --> 02:22:35,120
extra layer of caution

3661
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:36,720
and makes the homeowner think about

3662
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:38,240
whether it makes sense for them to

3663
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:40,560
pursue it or just pursue a new insurance

3664
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:43,470
company.

3665
02:22:43,480 --> 02:22:46,280
Yeah, anything that comes to us is is

3666
02:22:46,280 --> 02:22:48,560
going to go through staff. Mhm.

3667
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:50,360
And you know, I think With the

3668
02:22:50,360 --> 02:22:51,400
recommendation.

3669
02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:53,680
>> With the recommendation, yeah.

3670
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:56,600
And staff would I don't think staff's

3671
02:22:56,600 --> 02:22:58,320
going to come to us with somebody's

3672
02:22:58,320 --> 02:23:01,000
say-so. They're going to want something

3673
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:03,240
some kind of proof that, you know, some

3674
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:04,360
kind of notice from the insurance

3675
02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:05,920
company. So

3676
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:07,640
I think

3677
02:23:07,640 --> 02:23:11,600
it seems like we're kind of landing on

3678
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:12,400
It feels [clears throat] to me like

3679
02:23:12,400 --> 02:23:13,640
we're kind of landing on giving the

3680
02:23:13,640 --> 02:23:16,240
blanket approval for wooey code, but

3681
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:18,480
still requiring

3682
02:23:18,480 --> 02:23:19,840
that

3683
02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:21,200
someone

3684
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:22,880
who's just complying with an insurance

3685
02:23:22,880 --> 02:23:25,720
company request and not not meeting

3686
02:23:25,720 --> 02:23:27,760
wooey code

3687
02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:30,880
goes to community development who then

3688
02:23:30,880 --> 02:23:33,920
brings it to us, but we waive the

3689
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:35,320
uh the

3690
02:23:35,320 --> 02:23:36,480
30-day period? Is that what we're

3691
02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:37,920
saying? I mean, are we going to have a

3692
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:39,200
special meeting? Is that what we're

3693
02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:42,950
saying?

3694
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:45,800
Well, you you could say that or the part

3695
02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:48,240
of the problem with the 30-day period is

3696
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:50,080
like if um

3697
02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:53,200
say somebody came in

3698
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:54,760
a week and a half before your meeting

3699
02:23:54,760 --> 02:23:55,920
and said, "Oh my goodness, I'm in this

3700
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:57,920
problem." Well,

3701
02:23:57,920 --> 02:24:00,280
absent the 30-day notice period, we

3702
02:24:00,280 --> 02:24:01,320
could put that on your agenda, no

3703
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:03,280
problem. But the 30-day notice period

3704
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:04,480
says, "Oh, well, you're going to have to

3705
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:07,240
wait until the next month's agenda." Oh,

3706
02:24:07,240 --> 02:24:09,240
okay. So, that that's the advantage of

3707
02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:11,320
waiving the 30-day period. Okay.

3708
02:24:11,320 --> 02:24:12,920
Obviously, if somebody comes in the day

3709
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:15,440
after your meeting and says, "I just got

3710
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:17,360
this notice and I'm going to lose my my

3711
02:24:17,360 --> 02:24:19,200
insurance in 2 weeks." Waiving the

3712
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:20,920
30-day notice period doesn't do anything

3713
02:24:20,920 --> 02:24:22,120
because they're not going to You're not

3714
02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:23,400
going to have another meeting. So, in

3715
02:24:23,400 --> 02:24:26,320
that case, you could also um

3716
02:24:26,320 --> 02:24:32,200
have a discussion as a council on your appetite for special meetings.

3717
02:24:32,200 --> 02:24:33,880
As well as involve the clerk in that

3718
02:24:33,880 --> 02:24:35,800
discussion.

3719
02:24:35,800 --> 02:24:40,310
You were getting daggers.

3720
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:41,680
I think as long as they're after April

3721
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:44,080
21st, she doesn't care.

3722
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:45,120
Yeah.

3723
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:47,760
I What What do How do we feel about

3724
02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:50,040
having a special meeting in a case like

3725
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:52,080
that?

3726
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:53,640
I'm okay with it, personally.

3727
02:24:53,640 --> 02:24:54,800
>> Everytime someone has an issue with

3728
02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:56,680
their insurance company?

3729
02:24:56,680 --> 02:24:58,160
On the conservation easement.

3730
02:24:58,160 --> 02:24:59,760
>> I I I think these are going to be rare

3731
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:01,520
instances because

3732
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:03,600
I we we keep on referencing Jack. Jack's

3733
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:05,360
instance was an insurance issue, but it

3734
02:25:05,360 --> 02:25:06,520
was also a WUI code issue. Everything

3735
02:25:06,520 --> 02:25:08,440
that Jack did was was a WUI code

3736
02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:11,240
requirement and I I think most of the

3737
02:25:11,240 --> 02:25:13,120
time, again, I could be wrong, I could

3738
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:14,440
be out, you know, but I think most of

3739
02:25:14,440 --> 02:25:17,080
the time the solution that satisfies

3740
02:25:17,080 --> 02:25:20,600
WUI, hopefully, will also satisfy the

3741
02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:22,800
insurance. And in those instances that

3742
02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:24,360
are not,

3743
02:25:24,360 --> 02:25:26,040
I think a large portion of them, if you

3744
02:25:26,040 --> 02:25:28,480
waive the 30-day notice period, could be

3745
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:30,040
accommodated in your next regularly

3746
02:25:30,040 --> 02:25:31,720
scheduled meeting. I think it's going to

3747
02:25:31,720 --> 02:25:33,840
be an outlier where somebody comes to

3748
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:38,680
you and says, "I've got this issue. It's in excess of WUI and it doesn't fit

3749
02:25:38,680 --> 02:25:40,120
your regular meeting schedule." I I

3750
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:41,720
those are going to be outliers. I do

3751
02:25:41,720 --> 02:25:44,630
too.

3752
02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:48,840
So, do we feel ready to run a motion?

3753
02:25:48,840 --> 02:25:50,920
I've got one there, but

3754
02:25:50,920 --> 02:25:52,200
Want to do that?

3755
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:52,600
Be great.

3756
02:25:52,600 --> 02:25:54,320
>> Tom, I pre-apologize.

3757
02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:56,280
The training you gave us many years ago

3758
02:25:56,280 --> 02:25:58,400
about keeping this brief

3759
02:25:58,400 --> 02:26:00,070
ain't going to happen.

3760
02:26:00,070 --> 02:26:02,790
>> [laughter]

3761
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:04,520
» Town Council has reviewed the request to

3762
02:26:04,520 --> 02:26:06,880
treat juniper trees in the Anasazi

3763
02:26:06,880 --> 02:26:09,080
Plateau conservation easement based upon

3764
02:26:09,080 --> 02:26:10,960
the following findings.

3765
02:26:10,960 --> 02:26:13,320
The Wildland Urban Interface Code WUI

3766
02:26:13,320 --> 02:26:14,880
requires property owners to provide

3767
02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:16,640
defensible space around structures on

3768
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:18,160
their property.

3769
02:26:18,160 --> 02:26:20,600
In many cases, native vegetation in the

3770
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:23,000
CE is also within a defensible space

3771
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:25,400
area associated with structures

3772
02:26:25,400 --> 02:26:27,480
on individual lots required by the WUI

3773
02:26:27,480 --> 02:26:28,720
code.

3774
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:30,080
The conservation easement allows

3775
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:31,560
property owners to conduct certain

3776
02:26:31,560 --> 02:26:34,560
activities in the CE which could have an

3777
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:37,760
impact on the conservation value

3778
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:39,600
of the property, but only after notice

3779
02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:40,640
and approval from the town.

3780
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:43,800
Specifically, sections 4.1B

3781
02:26:43,800 --> 02:26:46,360
and 4.1C of the conservation easement

3782
02:26:46,360 --> 02:26:48,200
allow owners to maintain native

3783
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:51,360
vegetation and to remove hazardous flora

3784
02:26:51,360 --> 02:26:53,680
from the conservation easement property.

3785
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:55,440
To comply with the WUI code defensible

3786
02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:57,480
space requirements, many of the property

3787
02:26:57,480 --> 02:26:59,760
owners on the Anasazi Plateau will need

3788
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:03,320
to modify native vegetation in the CE.

3789
02:27:03,320 --> 02:27:05,040
It would be cumbersome and inefficient

3790
02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:06,600
for each of these property owners to

3791
02:27:06,600 --> 02:27:08,640
make individual requests to modify

3792
02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:11,280
native vegetation in the CE near their

3793
02:27:11,280 --> 02:27:13,040
homes for the purpose of compliance with

3794
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:16,600
the WUI code defensible space.

3795
02:27:16,600 --> 02:27:19,520
And finally, a

3796
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:21,600
we find that a blanket approval for the

3797
02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:24,320
homeowners to perform defensible space

3798
02:27:24,320 --> 02:27:26,560
vegetation modification in the

3799
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:28,120
conservation easement is the most

3800
02:27:28,120 --> 02:27:30,840
efficient way to accomplish this.

3801
02:27:30,840 --> 02:27:32,560
As such, the Town Council approves the

3802
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:35,040
request with the following conditions.

3803
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:36,960
All vegetation modification must be

3804
02:27:36,960 --> 02:27:38,840
performed by a licensed arborist or

3805
02:27:38,840 --> 02:27:41,040
other qualified tree professional who

3806
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:42,520
has been briefed on the Woo E code

3807
02:27:42,520 --> 02:27:45,160
defensible space requirements. Only

3808
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:47,520
vegetation modification necessary for

3809
02:27:47,520 --> 02:27:48,720
compliance with the Woo E code

3810
02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:50,240
defensible space requirements is

3811
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:53,000
allowed. No other impact modification,

3812
02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:54,760
removal, or destruction of vegetation,

3813
02:27:54,760 --> 02:27:56,400
whether deliberate or incidental, is

3814
02:27:56,400 --> 02:27:57,760
permitted.

3815
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:00,320
And prior to modifying modifying any

3816
02:28:00,320 --> 02:28:03,120
vegetation in the conservation easement,

3817
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:05,200
a property owner must first submit a

3818
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:07,080
sketch of the proposed vegetation

3819
02:28:07,080 --> 02:28:08,400
modification to the community

3820
02:28:08,400 --> 02:28:10,240
development department.

3821
02:28:10,240 --> 02:28:11,920
The sketch plan must be of sufficient

3822
02:28:11,920 --> 02:28:14,240
detail, clarity, and accuracy for the

3823
02:28:14,240 --> 02:28:15,960
community development department staff

3824
02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:18,040
to determine which specific vegetation

3825
02:28:18,040 --> 02:28:20,360
is proposed to be modified and whether

3826
02:28:20,360 --> 02:28:22,800
such modification is necessary for Woo E

3827
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:25,840
code defensible space compliance.

3828
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:27,920
And further, the town council hereby

3829
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:30,080
approves and ratifies the town manager's

3830
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:33,360
prior early authorization of emergency

3831
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:35,760
vegetation modification undertaken to

3832
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:37,880
preserve a homeowner's insurance

3833
02:28:37,880 --> 02:28:39,080
coverage

3834
02:28:39,080 --> 02:28:41,520
and authorizes the mayor to sign.

3835
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:43,840
Do we want to add something about waving

3836
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:47,000
the 30-day notice for

3837
02:28:47,000 --> 02:28:48,840
I think I think we should.

3838
02:28:48,840 --> 02:28:50,720
>> we should. Yeah.

3839
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:52,440
somebody have some language for

3840
02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:54,760
that?

3841
02:28:54,760 --> 02:29:02,070
Um

3842
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:06,520
It's 30.

3843
02:29:06,520 --> 02:29:08,320
I was just looking at the staff report

3844
02:29:08,320 --> 02:29:10,880
and I too

3845
02:29:10,880 --> 02:29:11,720
Would you like to

3846
02:29:11,720 --> 02:29:14,120
>> a minute, there's a loud section five.

3847
02:29:14,120 --> 02:29:17,360
>> Tom, do you have recommended language? I think Randy's got it. Okay.

3848
02:29:17,360 --> 02:29:18,040
>> Yeah.

3849
02:29:18,040 --> 02:29:21,600
Okay. So,

3850
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:23,680
5.1 of the conservation easement

3851
02:29:23,680 --> 02:29:25,200
requires

3852
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:27,120
a uh

3853
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:28,880
homeowner

3854
02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:31,120
to advise the town

3855
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:33,560
to give the a 30-day notice

3856
02:29:33,560 --> 02:29:34,760
and

3857
02:29:34,760 --> 02:29:39,480
we will waive that 30-day notice.

3858
02:29:39,480 --> 02:29:44,680
Is that sufficient? Does that do it? In cases of In cases of

3859
02:29:44,680 --> 02:29:46,280
>> that that don't fall under the blanket

3860
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:48,440
approval because they

3861
02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:50,280
um, the requirements are imposed by an

3862
02:29:50,280 --> 02:29:52,120
insurance carrier in excess of woody

3863
02:29:52,120 --> 02:29:54,200
code requirements, you still want that

3864
02:29:54,200 --> 02:29:55,360
to come to the town council, but you're

3865
02:29:55,360 --> 02:29:58,160
waiving the 30-day notice period as

3866
02:29:58,160 --> 02:29:59,600
allowed by section 5.1 of the

3867
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:01,720
conservation easement.

3868
02:30:01,720 --> 02:30:03,680
Do you accept that? Accept accept. Okay.

3869
02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:05,520
And I have one question. Uh,

3870
02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:08,680
would we want to add on the sketch the

3871
02:30:08,680 --> 02:30:11,360
distance from the home?

3872
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:13,480
To you know, because that's what's to

3873
02:30:13,480 --> 02:30:15,880
meet the woody standard, it really is

3874
02:30:15,880 --> 02:30:18,280
based on distance.

3875
02:30:18,280 --> 02:30:20,400
I think that's the intent of the sketch

3876
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:22,320
is simple. Well, my concern though as

3877
02:30:22,320 --> 02:30:24,440
somebody who just wants to get rid of a

3878
02:30:24,440 --> 02:30:26,600
bunch of vegetation. That that's a good

3879
02:30:26,600 --> 02:30:28,240
idea. It should be scaled or or have

3880
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:30,080
distances marked on it so you so that we

3881
02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:32,560
can confirm that this is a woody code

3882
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:33,240
requirement.

3883
02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:34,840
>> I think that's implied in sufficient

3884
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:37,560
detail, but it it doesn't it is always a

3885
02:30:37,560 --> 02:30:39,400
good idea to tell it what's sufficient

3886
02:30:39,400 --> 02:30:40,440
is.

3887
02:30:40,440 --> 02:30:41,520
Right? What is sufficient?

3888
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:44,440
>> So, how about if we add uh, sketch plan

3889
02:30:44,440 --> 02:30:46,200
with With With

3890
02:30:46,200 --> 02:30:46,680
>> measurements.

3891
02:30:46,680 --> 02:30:47,400
>> With dimensions.

3892
02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:49,920
>> To scale. Yeah. Okay. Accepted. Okay.

3893
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:52,320
So, do we have a second? I'll second.

3894
02:30:52,320 --> 02:30:53,840
Got a motion by Pat and a second by

3895
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:56,280
Randy. Pat, I. Randy, I. Barbara, I.

3896
02:30:56,280 --> 02:30:59,510
Jack, I. Kyla, I.

3897
02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:01,600
Is there any general discussion before

3898
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:04,630
we adjourn?

3899
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:07,040
Entertain a motion to adjourn.

3900
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:09,000
I move we adjourn.

3901
02:31:09,000 --> 02:31:10,880
I'll second. Motion by Randy, second by

3902
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:13,440
Jack. Pat, I. Randy, I. Barbara, I.

3903
02:31:13,440 --> 02:31:15,280
Jack, I. Kyla, I.

3904
02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:16,400
thought this was supposed to be a

3905
02:31:16,400 --> 02:31:18,400
quick

3906
02:31:18,400 --> 02:31:20,400
I thought it was supposed to be that.

3907
02:31:20,400 --> 02:31:21,280
It never is.

3908
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:23,960
I tried not to