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>> Definitely working now. Okay. Are there

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announcements. Are there any staff

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members with announcements?

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Ryan has an announcement.

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» On Friday, we have the Eric Dodge

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concert out at the Gazebo Park as part

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of our America 250 celebration. So,

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that'll be free for anyone to attend.

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>> Okay. Um, first item on the agenda is an

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administrative action item. discussion

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and possible approval of an agreement

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with Parkplace Residential doing

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business as Arcilla Ridge LLC to develop

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parcel S100C as workforce housing

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including the potential transfer of

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parcel S-100C from the town of

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Springdale to ParkPlace residential

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pursuant to section 7-9-2

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of the town code. The town council will

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accept public comment regarding the

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proposed disposal of parcel S100C and

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the staff contact is Tom Denzy.

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Thank you, mayor. Um in a previous

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meeting, the council selected Parkplace

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Residential to be um our um partner in

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developing workforce housing units on

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the town's Trapper Circle property

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located at the end of Trapper Circle,

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parcel S-100-C.

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ParkPlace to do that work, but we to to

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uh as of yet have not entered into an

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official agreement with ParkPlace to be

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our partner. Um, and I'm using partner

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with a lowercase P, not an uppercase P,

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not a public private partnership. This

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is this is just a a general uh

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cooperation. So evidently when I say

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partner, county town attorney gets a

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little bit anxious because it has a

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different meaning. So lowercase partner.

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Um but essentially what the what the

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arrangement is is that um ParkPlace

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Residential will develop 10 workforce

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housing units on the property. um they

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will be rented and occupied according to

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the active employ by by um households

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who meet the active employment criteria

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in the town's workforce housing overlay

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zone. Um and that will uh be binding on

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the property for a period of 50 years.

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away and the property then is can be

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developed by Parkplace Residential

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according to any use which is then

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allowed by the zoning on the property.

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and and the agreement that the council

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gave preliminary approval to in the

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previous meeting. So the agreement

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that's before you now just formalizes

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that relationship. So the agreement

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that's before you now will will make all

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of those things official. It will bind

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RCA Ridge to develop the 10 workforce

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housing units. It will bind them

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operationally to ensure that they are um

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occupied by households who meet the

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active employment criteria in the code.

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and importantly for the town, it binds

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the town to transfer ownership of the

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property S100- C to ParkPlace

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Residential.

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Per the town's uh property uh disposal

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ordinance S-9-2,

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any parcel that's valued over $250,000

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the town intends to dispose of needs to

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go through a special process that

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requires notice and then the opportunity

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for public comment. um because this the

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value of the property exceeds that

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amount. The with the town had an

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appraisal for the property at $ 1.9

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million. We need to go through that

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process. So the action that's before you

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today is two things. One is to go

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through the process in 7-9-2 to accept

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public comment on the proposed disposal

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of a parcel valued in excess of

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$250,000.

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or not to approve the agreement as has

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been drafted by the town attorney that

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will formalize our relationship with

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Parkplace Residential. Um you received

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an email last night. I apologize for the lateness of that. There was some

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back and forth between the town attorney

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and Parkplace on on some of the um

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particulars of of the agreement, some

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last minute changes that have to do with

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um limitations on how ParkPlace is able

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to um acquire f uh uh loans or financing

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using that parcel as as leverage. Um the

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town attorney inserted some some

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language that better protects the town

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in that regard. We can go over that if

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you have questions. Um otherwise that

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that's that's the action today. One is

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accept public comment on the proposed

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disposal of the property and then two

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would be to decide whether or not to

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enter into this agreement with Parkplace

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>> And are those separate issues? Are we

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accepting comments only on the disposal

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required to accept public comment on the

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property disposal.

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they're related topics and so it would

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make sense that if someone wants to

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address you on both that might be

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appropriate, but you're only required to

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accept public comment on the actual

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property disposal.

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both and will we do the usual public

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hearing format?

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opportunity for people to come up and give you comments.

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do we want to discuss first preference?

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comments.

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>> Let's hear comments.

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please make sure you signed in and um go

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up to the microphone and state your name

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and make your comments

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over there.

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>> You can sign in after all. We just need

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» Gil Kefir. I'm with the Moave uh

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homeowners association. I'm not part of

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the board of directors at this time, but

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I am a a homeowner there. Um my main

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concern about the development there is

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two things. uh that no grading

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uh or changes in the grading uh allow

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storm water to come on to the uh Moanabi

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property, the our open space. Uh there

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is a detention pond there. Um

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uh I think we would be uh amanable to to

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looking at them trying to use that. Uh

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however, we would probably want them to

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also take responsibility

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for keeping that clean. Uh the second uh

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concern is that we allowed the um a

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previous owner to use the uh easement to

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get back to that property. And they took

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down a f a fence, a barbwire fence, and

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they basically took the whole fence down

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to the south side of the ement. They

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never put it back up. They left it in a

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heap on HOA property. So what I would

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like to see is the easement well

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definfined and uh the new our property

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well defined so that uh the trades do

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not park their vehicles on HOA property

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the trucks do not deliver u supplies and

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store them on HOA property and that

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there's no grading on HOA property.

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» Hi, my name is Al Tyl. I live on Mo up

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here. Uh, one concern

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uh for me and this may be premature but

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I'll get it out here early because doing

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this uh post build and everything hasn't

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helped me much on this particular issue

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on other buildings. uh with what we put

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down there, we're already dealing with a

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considerable amount of lighting coming

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up from the hotel that's down there and

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the adjacent buildings that are around

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it. The extent that it basically lights

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all the way up the south side of Moach

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Hill, past my driveway, all the way up

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to the top of the hill and basically

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it's like I have a light on outside on a

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15 acre property. Um, if one things I

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think we need to consider as we're doing

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stuff like this is light control and

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what we're going to do about it because

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you had a 10-unit uh property down

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there. That's going to be a lot more

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light unless it's handled, you know,

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very properly, I guess. And uh the

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reason I'm bringing this up here now is

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I've had discussions regarding the

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lighting down there

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eight times, nine times already. and I

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get a nod and I get, you know, we we'll

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look into that. We're going to do

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something. Even the first couple times I

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got, now where do you see the light? And

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I actually was going to give him my

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glasses so he could look around and see

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it's coming all the way up the hill and

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it's actually dark out and you know, the

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lights are lighting everything up. So,

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if you all can take that into

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consideration as this thing moves

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forward, um, we got enough already. 10

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more units is going to be a lot of

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light. It's got to be handled properly.

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that hotel and see if we can knock them

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down a bit because they've done nothing

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to knock down their lighting at all. And

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that it just glows all the way down

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there. And you're more than welcome to

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come up to my place, up into that

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general area anytime in the evening, see

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what I'm talking about. I'm not talking

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about small amount of light. I'm talking

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about a significant amount of light that

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you can walk around at night time

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without a flashlight and everything's

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lit up and we're I don't know what that

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is 200 feet up on the hill up like that.

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So, uh please take a look at that.

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Consider it. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Other comments.

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>> Okay, let's go into deliberation.

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So Tom, the um changes made that we

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received last night were approved by

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Kyle, right? Both parties agreed to

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those minor changes.

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>> That that's correct. And and one other

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change that I I forgot to mention is the

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name of the development entity is it's

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officially listed as RCA Ridge. Um that

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they had not quite got that gotten that

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entity set up as a as a legal entity by

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the time Greg drafted the first version.

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development name. Now they have RCA

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registered as an LLC. So that's the

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I have a question. Um that

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I think I read the answer, but I just

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want to clarify this entire

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agreement runs with the land.

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>> That is correct.

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>> Okay. So, um,

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would it be similar to the Mountain

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Country homes? Like if there were to be

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a new owner,

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things could be amended, but as it is

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right now, everything runs with the

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land, not with the owner or developer.

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>> That's correct. one of and I guess to be

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more technically correct that this

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agreement is made with RCA ridge but it

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is binding on successors and assigns

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there is a restrictive covenant which

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will be recorded against the property

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which does run with the land and will

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survive any transfer of ownership. Um

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the other thing is that there is a

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reversionary clause on the deed that

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will be recorded. So in addition to the

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agreement which is binding on successors

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and assigns we have a restrictive

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covenant which is uh runs with the land

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and then we have a reversionary clause

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on the deed itself which will survive

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any transfer of ownership. So we have

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three levels of protection to make sure

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that this agreement survives any

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transfer of ownership.

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And if we get into the future um even 10

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15 years down the road and we find that

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100% of the AMI is not

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working out or or some other small

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detail are those details

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changeable

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with both parties agreeing.

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>> Yes. Yeah. And any any any as with any

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agreement you can change that but it

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takes both parties to agree. So RCA

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Ridge couldn't come back and

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unilaterally say, "Oh, 100% AMI rent

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isn't working. Now we need to go up to

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200% AMI rent." Um they would need to

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come and um negotiate that with the

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town.

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>> Okay. So it takes both parties to change

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any of the details.

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>> That is correct. Okay.

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>> Which is interesting because we didn't

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require any income restrictions. They

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chose to impose those. But it's still

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probably good that we can have a say in

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that.

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>> Correct. And and again just as as a

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slight clarification, it is not an

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income restriction. It's a rent

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restriction. So there so the only the

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only restriction for the occupants who

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are going to be occupying the property

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is that they are actively employed in

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the town of Springdale. They can make as

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what much as they want, right?

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>> But RCA Ridge is only allowed to charge

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them the rent associated with 100% AI.

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>> Okay. for Washington County.

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>> They could charge them less.

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>> Correct.

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>> If they're not filling them, they

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mentioned that they may need to go down.

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Okay.

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>> Correct.

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>> Comments, questions from council.

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» Um, so we've seen this before. Um, I

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appreciate the comments from our

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residents and there will be design

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development reviews and and plenty of

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checks and balances along the way for

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the project itself. It sounds like we

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don't have any objections to

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transferring the property or selecting

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RCA Ridge. We've vetted them out

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thoroughly. So, sounds like maybe we're

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ready for a motion on both items.

352
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>> Yeah. And just to kind of follow up that

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this particular agreement does not

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um give them any extra lighting or extra

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development incentives other than um the

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impact fees, the delayed impact fees.

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unlike the hotel that you were

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mentioning has a development agreement

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that

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does affect the the lighting and so um

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the development that's going in will be

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required to meet all of the current

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standards that we have.

364
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>> Yeah. the dark sky lighting standard.

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>> Dark sky materials he height setbacks,

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drainage,

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everything is going to be um like any

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other developer that would come in.

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There's no no special set a

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one clarification is that I think it

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says nine and possibly 10, right? So

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they would be within the their legal

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right if they couldn't fit that 10th

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unit.

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>> That's correct. the the desire is to get

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10 units, but

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>> because of the development constraints

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on the property,

379
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>> it may not be

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>> um feasible or possible to get the 10th

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unit.

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>> Right. Okay. Anybody want to make a

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motion?

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» I'll make a motion.

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>> Okay. Thanks, Pat. The town council has

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reviewed the trapper circle of workforce

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housing land disposal and improvements

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agreement with Parkplace Residential

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doing business as our CILA bridge LLC

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dated April 22nd, 2026, including

391
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exhibits 1 through 8 as presented and

392
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authorizes the mayor to execute the

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agreement and all associated exhibits

394
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and documents necessary.

395
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>> I'll second motion by Pat and second by

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Kyla. Kyla I

397
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>> Barbara.

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» Next item on the agenda is a review and

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possible approval of a contract awarding

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the George A. Barker River Park

401
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expansion project to Interstate Rock and

402
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this is Ryan Goobler.

403
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>> Yep. Thank you. Um yeah, so we back in

404
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March we issued an invitation for bids

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for the River Park project and were able

406
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to receive three applications. Um, as

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our town code stipulates, uh, we are

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required to select the lowest

409
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responsible and responsive bidder and

410
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that turned out to be Interstate Rock.

411
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They came in with a bid of 1,355,775.80.

412
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Um, and

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uh, the contract was drafted by our

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architect and reviewed by our legal

415
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team. I will say there are a few things

416
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I need to bring to your attention. First

417
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off, there's a typo in that second

418
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paragraph. Um it should say March 2026.

419
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I apologize for that. That was my fault.

420
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And then um we are also

421
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in working with Interstate um originally

422
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the date of commencement was scheduled

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to be today, April 22nd. They've had

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some scheduling issues. So we are uh

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working with them to uh amend that

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provision so that the date of

427
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commencement will be changed to April

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30th. So their 120 days will start on

429
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April 30th, not on April 22nd. But as I

430
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mentioned um the re the contract was

431
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drafted by the architect, reviewed by

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our attorney and um yeah, we are

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here to answer questions.

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So, we're here to consider awarding the

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contract to Interstate Rock, not to talk

436
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about the design or anything like that.

437
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>> That's correct.

438
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>> Okay.

439
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Discussion.

440
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>> Um, I didn't notice like a particular

441
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call out. It could have been um about

442
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how many days the park will not be

443
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accessible.

444
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We have not had our pre-construction

445
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meeting yet and that is something that

446
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will be discussed at that meeting.

447
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» So the guess I'll just mention real

448
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quick on that in earlier meetings with

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interested biders.

450
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That point was definitely made.

451
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» And and actually letting them do the job

452
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so they get done quicker instead of

453
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Yeah. So I think it's a balance.

454
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>> Um I didn't know if it would be part of

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the agreement to be determined.

456
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Ryan, I do have a a question about the

457
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funding and it may just be I have the

458
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math wrong. In terms of this phase one,

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we're matching $684,000

460
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from the county. Correct.

461
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>> And we're getting 20,000 from Utah

462
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outdoor wreck.

463
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>> 200,000 Yep.

464
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>> 70,000 coming from general funds. So the

465
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remaining 400 some thousand is coming

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from

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fees, things like that.

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So 684 twice is1,ion368,

469
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but the interstate rock bay bid is

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for1,355.

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So the $12,000,

472
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we're making that up. May not spend it.

473
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I mean, how does that work?

474
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>> In discussing that with the architect,

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we because there had been, you know, we

476
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had value engineered some things out of

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the plan. So, we had conversations, hey,

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do we leave that $12,000 as a

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contingency if something were to come up

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or if at the end of it we decide we want

481
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to bring something back in, we have that

482
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option. But he recommended we just leave

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it alone for now so that when inevitably

484
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when something comes up that we have to

485
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fix that, we weren't anticipating we

486
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have that as cushion.

487
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>> And Ryan, we have another potential for

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TRT money from the county, but that's

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for that's if we go ahead with phase

490
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two, right?

491
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>> Correct. No opportunity to get that for

492
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phase one.

493
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>> Yeah, that no obligation to move forward

494
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with phase two at all. Right.

495
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>> That's completely at our discretion.

496
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>> Okay.

497
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» And the um

498
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letter we got from our legal

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that that has been included in this

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contract.

501
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» That was jump in. That was a

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confidential correspondence and so that

503
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was not included with the packet

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material that was sent separately to the

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council.

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Th those are just kind of general legal

507
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considerations from the council from the

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town council to the from the town's

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council town council

510
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seal cil.

511
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>> Any other discussion? We we've long

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worked with Interstate Rock and we know

513
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that they are reliable contractor and

514
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I I doubt that anybody has any concerns

515
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about their performance. Is there are

516
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there concerns about the contract

517
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itself?

518
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Okay. If not, then will I entertain a

519
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motion?

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I move to approve the contract between

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the town of Springdale and Rock Products

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in the amount of 1,355,75.80

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for construction services for George A.

524
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» I'll second it.

525
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>> A motion by Jack and a second by Pata. I

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>> Andy

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>> Barbara I

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>> Jack

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>> Pati

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>> next item on the agenda is what we're

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really here for budget work session to

532
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discuss the fiscal year 2026 and 27

533
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budget staff contact is Tom Dans

534
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>> thank you um just before we get started

535
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because we are going to be looking at

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the screen a lot is that uh lectturn can

537
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you all see past that okay is that in

538
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your way

539
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>> I can see but I would see better without

540
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that

541
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>> microphone. The lectern's not a problem.

542
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>> Okay. Thank you, April.

543
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>> Maybe I'll get a donut while you're

544
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starting.

545
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» It's Yeah, you It's going to be a long

546
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haul, so carve up.

547
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» Hey, Barbara.

548
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Not a ton of frosting

549
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and and not cake either. Maybe just

550
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,919
>> Yeah, glaze. That would be good.

551
00:25:45,919 --> 00:26:34,230
>> Sure.

552
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,000
Okay, we're getting sugared So, we're

553
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:36,640
ready.

554
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,640
>> Awesome.

555
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,640
All right. Well, uh, thank you, council,

556
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,360
for, uh, coming today to talk about the tenative budget. This is the second

557
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,520
step in the town's annual budget

558
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,520
process, or or I guess I should say the

559
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,080
council's second step in the town's

560
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,840
annual budget process. The first was the

561
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,360
capital priorities meeting that we had

562
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,240
in January where we look at kind of big

563
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,480
capital purchases for the coming year

564
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,799
and then also for the next two to five

565
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,279
years. Um based on the direction that we

566
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:06,960
received from the council at that

567
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,559
session, um staff has worked together um

568
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,360
looked at at um other expenditures and

569
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:14,960
other costs for the coming year and has

570
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,480
prepared uh a a staff proposed budget

571
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,440
for fiscal year 2627.

572
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,880
And that that's what we're here to

573
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,120
discuss. Before we get into it too much,

574
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,640
I just want to talk a little bit in

575
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,120
general um about uh kind of budgeting

576
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:32,559
and and where we're coming from as a

577
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,559
staff this year with budgeting. Um

578
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,320
first of all, kind of in general,

579
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,520
there's um three kind of big overall I'm

580
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,159
going to I'm going to say in my mind

581
00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:50,159
tenants of of of the budget um that that

582
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:53,440
we looked at. Um, one is, uh, just

583
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,440
making sure that revenues equal or

584
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,000
exceed expenditures, right? That is the the the fundamental concept of of a

585
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,600
budget is that you're not spending more

586
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,080
than you are projected to make. So,

587
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,320
that's very much a quantitative type of

588
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,279
analysis. Do our revenue revenues equal

589
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,600
or exceed our projected revenues? So,

590
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,120
we'll talk a little bit about budgeting

591
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,320
from a quantitative standpoint. Um the

592
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,640
second kind of uh fundamental tenant of

593
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,760
budgeting is are we using our

594
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,000
expenditures? Are we using the the way

595
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,840
we spend our money to move the town

596
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
forward strategically to accomplish the

597
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,559
goals and objectives and priorities that

598
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,440
we have have established um that you've

599
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,960
established as a council that the town

600
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,960
has established in our general plan and

601
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,320
other planning documents and other

602
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,240
policies. How well do our proposed

603
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,960
expenditures move those plans and

604
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,559
policies forward? So that's much more of

605
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,840
a qualitative type of analysis. Also

606
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,840
talk about budgeting from a qualitative

607
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,600
standpoint. Are we spending money

608
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,600
wisely? Not only are we not spending

609
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,440
more than we make, but are we spending

610
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,159
it wisely? Um the third kind of tenant

611
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:04,000
of of budgeting is um are we complying

612
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,320
with all of the necessary

613
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,640
um accept generally accepted accounting

614
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,320
principles and and government standards

615
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,120
for plan for for for budgeting. That's

616
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,960
much more of an administrative type

617
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,200
analysis. That is not the purpose of

618
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,559
today's meeting thankfully. Um so we're

619
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,240
not going to get into that. So really

620
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,679
what what what I would suggest the

621
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:26,960
council focus on on today is big

622
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,600
picture. Are we making sure that we're

623
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,919
not spending more than we make? Are we

624
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:34,480
being wise fiscally?

625
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Quantitatively and then qualitatively

626
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,120
are we spending money where it makes the

627
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,600
most sense? Are we getting the most um

628
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,120
impact for the money that we're

629
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,000
spending? So that's that's where I would

630
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,159
suggest we we we focus today's

631
00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:50,960
discussion just to to drill into that a

632
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,200
little bit more um on the quantitative

633
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,720
side are we spending more than what we

634
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,640
are making. So the first first step of

635
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,679
that is to look at revenue. Um in years

636
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:08,960
past um we have looked at at revenue and done an analysis based on um trends

637
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,120
and and last year's budgeted re revenue

638
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,880
and and the previous year's actual

639
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,799
revenues received and done kind of a

640
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,039
forecast that usually results in about a

641
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,760
fiveish percent increase in what our

642
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,320
projected revenues will be fiscal year

643
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,960
over fiscal year. Um this year as a

644
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,720
staff we have made a a a decision to be

645
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,640
very

646
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,960
um conservative and instead of

647
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,279
projecting that 5% increase we're

648
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,919
essentially projecting a a a flat

649
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:41,679
revenue from fiscal year 2526 to fiscal

650
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:44,080
year 2627.

651
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,039
Um there's a couple reason reasons why

652
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:50,720
we are doing that. Um, our our general

653
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,640
fund revenue, as the council knows, is

654
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,840
driven almost exclusively by taxes and largely by by our three taxes, our

655
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,120
sales tax, our resort tax, and our

656
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,159
transient um room tax. Those are those

657
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:04,399
are um very heavily influenced by

658
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:06,399
visitation. And so, as visitation

659
00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:08,399
increases, typically those increase as

660
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:10,000
well. And the trend has been for

661
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960
visitation to to increase, but that's

662
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,840
not a guarantee. And so we are we're being very conservative and

663
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,240
holding that revenue flat because our

664
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,399
other opportunities to increase uh

665
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:24,000
revenue particularly in the general fund

666
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,760
are are pretty limited. We could do a

667
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,320
property tax increase. That's not going

668
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,720
to net us a lot of additional money and

669
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,679
it's not really a a politically um

670
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:37,200
uh

671
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,679
wise thing to do anyway.

672
00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:41,600
um we could increase our user fees and

673
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:42,799
we and we probably should look at that,

674
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,240
but again that's not going to net us a

675
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,679
lot of money. So So we're holding

676
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:47,519
general fund revenue pretty constant.

677
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,159
Same with the enterprise funds. Um those

678
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:51,760
are as as the council knows those are

679
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,760
driven by user charges, by what people

680
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,480
pay in water rates, sewer rates, by what

681
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,640
we collect in impact fees. Um our our

682
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,880
water rate, sewer rate, and irrigation

683
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,679
rates have an automatic escalating table

684
00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:08,000
that the council adopted five years ago.

685
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,519
Each year those increase a little bit.

686
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,039
So So we will get a little bit of an

687
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:12,559
increase. We're still holding those

688
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,679
flat. As a side note, um preview of

689
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:18,320
coming attractions, that automatic

690
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:23,039
fivest step um increase had a had a

691
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,440
fiveyear step. and those that that the

692
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,440
fifth step goes into effect on January

693
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,760
1st, 2027.

694
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,559
After January 1st, 2027, we're there are

695
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,960
no more planned increases in our water

696
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,240
rates, sewer rates, or irrigation rates.

697
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,039
So, that will be

698
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,519
>> the state mandates that.

699
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,200
>> Well,

700
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,159
correct. And even if the state doesn't m

701
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:47,760
mandate that, that's something that we

702
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,399
will want to look at because um it is

703
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:54,240
likely that the state will will mandate

704
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,200
us to do something and that something is

705
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,840
um budget for depreciation. We have

706
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,880
never budgeted for depreciation in those

707
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,159
funds and um it is likely that the state

708
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:11,919
will require us to um and and it's

709
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,519
something that we should be doing even

710
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,279
if the state didn't require us to be

711
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:18,399
doing. The problem is that budgeting for

712
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:21,440
depreciation means that we will need to

713
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,440
dramatically increase rates

714
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,279
or dramatically reduce expenditures

715
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,399
or do a combination of both, which is

716
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:35,200
probably the most likely. Um and and so

717
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,559
that's not something that that we're um

718
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,760
biting off in this budget year. Um but

719
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,279
it is something that we the council

720
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,440
should be aware of and something that

721
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,320
for sure in our next budget year um

722
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,840
before we get to that budget year we

723
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,200
will want to have a serious discussion

724
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,760
with the council about rates and and

725
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,360
where we want to go with budgeting for

726
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,830
depreciation enterprise funds.

727
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,880
» Jack, you look like you have a question.

728
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,360
So So uh part of depreciation

729
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,839
relates to capital improvements,

730
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:11,919
correct?

731
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:14,000
Well, what does depreciation all

732
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,109
capture?

733
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,200
» Don, do you want to You would do a far

734
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,879
better job of explaining depreciation

735
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:27,349
than I could. Do you mind giving

736
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:40,230
» her a microphone? Yeah.

737
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,520
» Physical infrastructure.

738
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:41,919
>> Yes.

739
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:44,159
>> And so my question on that though is

740
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:49,040
don't we already have that built in?

741
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,679
>> No. We have a we have we have we have a

742
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,599
small

743
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,679
amount that's a renewal and replacement

744
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,320
fund but it's not capture all of

745
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,990
depreciation

746
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,880
» last year should should have been about

747
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,880
$360,000

748
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,480
and you can imagine what that would do

749
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,359
to

750
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:19,750
what user rates

751
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,760
Okay. So, so again, that's from a that's where we're coming from with a

752
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,160
revenue from the revenue side is we're

753
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,599
being very conservative. We're

754
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:36,480
essentially holding things flat. Um and I'll I'll get to a little bit more

755
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,359
on why that is in just a second. Um the second part that we want to talk

756
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:44,800
about is is our quantitative analysis.

757
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,200
Um and are we are we spending our money

758
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,800
wisely? So, in the staff report, I've highlighted a list of some of the

759
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,040
kind of key expenditures and and these

760
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,520
are are things that are are generally um

761
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,720
kind of big ticket expenses. Um some are

762
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,599
bigger ticket than others. Um you know,

763
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,760
projects ranging from about 1520 $20,000

764
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,520
all the way up to a half million dollars

765
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,880
or more. These are are the kinds of

766
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,480
projects that aren't strictly 100%

767
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,160
necessary to keep the lights on in the

768
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,480
town functioning. And so in that in that

769
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,560
regard, they're not, you know, kind of

770
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,880
operational costs, but they are things

771
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,400
hopefully that we're doing that will

772
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,079
help us achieve the goals and objectives

773
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:31,359
of our general plan, our our uh capital

774
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:34,400
facilities plans, our master plans. Um,

775
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,320
and so I think these some of these

776
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,680
expenditures are what we would

777
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,640
appreciate the council's feedback on in

778
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,560
terms of are we spending the town's

779
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,119
money wisely. Are we are we putting um

780
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,040
our resources towards the most

781
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,280
beneficial uses?

782
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,320
And um there may be things that that we

783
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,000
haven't identified the council wants us

784
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
to be spending money on. There may be

785
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,920
things that are listed here on these key

786
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,440
expenditures that that you think we

787
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,000
shouldn't be um spending money on. And

788
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,119
there may be things that I didn't

789
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:04,560
identify that are identified in the

790
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,000
budget sheets that you've you've

791
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,200
identified that you want to talk about.

792
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,960
But those that that's the discussion

793
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,000
that I'd really like to have with the

794
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
council is are we making wise use of our

795
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,720
money? And then the final comment is um

796
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,160
in the staff report I talked a lot about

797
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,280
the fund balances and and Don can help

798
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,680
me out here a little bit as well, but

799
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,760
the fund balances are are like like the

800
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,359
town's rainy days fund. It's it's our

801
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:27,119
savings account is essentially the

802
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:28,800
difference between what we make every

803
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,599
year and what we spend every year. And

804
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,520
over the past several years, we've been

805
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,720
well, every every year we we use the um

806
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,280
fund balances to make the balance the

807
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,040
budget balance. We we borrow some from

808
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,400
our savings account, which is normal,

809
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,000
and that's fine, and that's that's a that's a legitimate um uh

810
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,280
budgeting strategy. However, we can't

811
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,839
become reliant on the fund balance

812
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,160
because um it's like a savings account,

813
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,000
right? if if we don't replenish it and

814
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,520
we all we do is make withdrawals,

815
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,160
eventually it goes away. And and I think

816
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,000
we're at the point now where we need to

817
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,240
start thinking really seriously about

818
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,839
making more deposits into that account

819
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:12,160
than withdrawals. So, as we're thinking

820
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,839
about some of these key expenditures,

821
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:16,560
also be cognizant of the fact that um

822
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,200
the health of our fund balances also

823
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,200
should factor into how we spend our

824
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,520
money. Is that a good summary, Don?

825
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,000
Okay. So, with that, um

826
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
I would just open it the the discussion

827
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,800
up to the council and we can talk about

828
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,320
um revenues. If you want to talk about

829
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,920
any of any of our revenue projections,

830
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,839
we can. If you want to talk about any of

831
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:42,160
the expenditures that we have um

832
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,800
budgeted for, we can. Um, we have all of

833
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,359
the uh um department heads here who are

834
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:51,200
able to answer questions about specific

835
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,160
projects and and so this is your time

836
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,280
now to ask away.

837
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,880
>> I thought that what we would do is to

838
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,119
first look at the sort of the staff

839
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:04,960
report and the questions that the

840
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,359
philosophical questions that were on the

841
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:09,200
last page there. We'll talk about that.

842
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,440
I assume that everybody's looked at this

843
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,320
and then we're going to really focus on

844
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,880
year one more than we do on the further

845
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,240
years, but maybe we'll go through this

846
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:24,480
um these two things and then I thought

847
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,880
by department maybe the department

848
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,640
manager could talk about the big

849
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,440
projects and and anything they just want

850
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,280
to make us aware of and get our input

851
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,640
on. Does that sound okay? Okay. So, um,

852
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,040
and I see that your your key

853
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,800
expenditures that you have in the staff

854
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,480
report are put again in the capital

855
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,000
priorities list, right? That's a

856
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,680
duplicate of those.

857
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,839
>> Yeah. The the capital priorities list is

858
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:53,359
attached that's the document that we

859
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:55,520
reviewed in January. That's just

860
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,560
attached as a as a reference as a

861
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,079
reminder to you of what we did discuss

862
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:01,920
in January just as a double check to

863
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,680
make sure that we are capturing those

864
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,680
priorities from the capital facilities

865
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,000
list in this year's budget.

866
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,720
>> Okay. So, so let's start by um and and I

867
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,320
appreciate the conservative approach to

868
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,720
revenues. I think visitation is up

869
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,880
drastically this year at the park, but

870
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,839
that doesn't necessarily transfer to it

871
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:23,599
doesn't necessarily mean our revenues

872
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,760
will be up because seeing more pressure

873
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,599
on on places to stay downhill and a lot

874
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,359
more day traffic coming through and that

875
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:32,640
kind of thing. So I think it's a good

876
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,880
idea to be conservative.

877
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,240
Um so first philosophical question was

878
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,920
is the staff budget approach to

879
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,079
projected revenues keeping them

880
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,119
essentially flat appropriate for the 26

881
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:48,400
27 revenues. Would anyone argue that we

882
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,710
should expect more or less

883
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,960
» I I personally

884
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:01,349
like

885
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:04,800
applaud Tom for for taking this. I think

886
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,640
The last thing I agree with

887
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,150
increase in visitation

888
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:26,550
finding more and more people

889
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,030
increase in

890
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:38,309
things like that because I'm not sure

891
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:41,680
staying in a motel.

892
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:47,349
So one quick question

893
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:51,119
tax I mean

894
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,200
how is that obviously that's going to

895
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,640
help us

896
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,079
>> does it come to us

897
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,079
>> oh that's right

898
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:02,550
>> it's I don't think our percentage

899
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,880
» no the the the town's TRT rate stays the

900
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,079
same so the the amount that the county

901
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,319
collects is is is increasing. But again,

902
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:14,880
that that that's not a direct funding

903
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,160
direct back to the town

904
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,550
>> and we get a quarter of that.

905
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,640
» Well, historically, the the amount that

906
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,560
the town collects in our own dedicated

907
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,280
town TRT has been about a quarter of the

908
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,880
counties.

909
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,359
But um but again what what the county

910
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,440
collects for their TRT is completely

911
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,680
separate from what the town collects for

912
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,640
our TRT and we don't get any dedicated

913
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,839
direct funding from the county TRT. Um,

914
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:49,680
obviously we benefit from that like with

915
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,359
the river park project is being funded

916
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:52,880
from the county TRT, but there's no

917
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,319
direct funding stream straight from the

918
00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:57,040
county TRT back to the town

919
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,359
>> and the state TRT is increasing also,

920
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:01,200
but they're intent with what they

921
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,240
collect on that is to fund

922
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,800
places like for example Tori who don't

923
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200
have a lot of funding but have a need

924
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,280
for search and rescue and those kinds of

925
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,760
things. So we should not expect to see

926
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,920
any money from the state TRT. we should

927
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,839
fight like crazy to get some money from

928
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:23,920
the county TRT and that's that's

929
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,680
what we're trying to do and Brian

930
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,160
successfully got a a nice grant for the

931
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,839
river park. So, um which is great, but I

932
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:33,599
don't think we'll see any increase any

933
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:37,520
drastic increase in our own TRT.

934
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,839
We do have the option of imposing a

935
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:42,240
third of a percent transportation tax,

936
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,560
right? That's something that I don't

937
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,240
know when we talk about that, but it's

938
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,760
something we should talk about.

939
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,200
>> Yeah, we can talk about it now. I mean,

940
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,560
we we can't do that for this budget

941
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,280
year, obviously. Um but but if that is

942
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,800
something that we wanted to um to

943
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,119
consider for the fiscal year 2728,

944
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:04,319
we could um Robert is here and and can

945
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:06,640
show you his his list of upcoming needs

946
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,560
that we're going to have in road

947
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,160
projects and road reconstruction. And

948
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,800
it's a pretty hefty lift. Um, and so if

949
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,640
there's options for additional funding

950
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,079
there, that that's something the council

951
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:17,200
can

952
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,960
>> that's a gas tax

953
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,560
>> or what how do we what is a

954
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,760
transportation?

955
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,040
>> Well, there's a there's a there's a

956
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,800
tough there's a transportation user fee

957
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,160
which is assigned to households. So

958
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,720
there would be a a a fee that all

959
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,359
households pay. Um, and then there's

960
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:35,119
also a transportation So that's one

961
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:36,079
option. Then there's also a

962
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:39,040
transportation tax. Um, it's not a gas

963
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,280
tax, it's just a sales tax. And that

964
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,280
would be a tax that everybody who makes

965
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,839
a purchase could pay. So there there are those two potential funding

966
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:50,480
sources

967
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,880
>> and those could be used for road

968
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,599
projects.

969
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:54,319
>> Correct.

970
00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:57,520
>> So yeah, we've got a lot of those and so

971
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,920
something I don't know when do do we

972
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,319
want to discuss that now? Um I will tell

973
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:05,200
you that most communities in Washington

974
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,160
County are planning to impose that for

975
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,119
what it's worth.

976
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:13,349
>> It or oppose it.

977
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:15,440
So I guess you know it's just something

978
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,520
to keep in mind you know when we talk

979
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,200
about more and more people are going

980
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:31,910
down

981
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:46,390
sales and use uh and TRT tax.

982
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:54,309
closer and closer to 50%.

983
00:45:54,319 --> 00:46:04,950
It's just something to keep in mind.

984
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,720
» Well, let's keep that in mind for next

985
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,200
year. And I will meanwhile uh keep my

986
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,640
ear to the ground on what other

987
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,280
municipalities are doing. My my

988
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,720
understanding is that most of them plan

989
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,599
to implement that but have not done so

990
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,280
yet. So

991
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,280
>> and and I guess my point on that is like

992
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,440
where you have other communities that

993
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,630
are I don't know

994
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,319
they have that

995
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:36,240
unfortunately I mean we're just

996
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,720
>> Yeah. And I think what we have that they

997
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,440
don't have and it's it's

998
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,040
it might be a mood point anyway, but

999
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,480
they're they don't have the visitors

1000
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,480
spending money in most communities like

1001
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,720
we do here. So we don't pay that whole

1002
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,800
tax as residents like they do in the

1003
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,119
other communities. But anyway, something

1004
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,440
to think keep in mind for next year. So

1005
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,960
it sounds like nobody has any problem

1006
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,319
with keeping the expected revenues flat.

1007
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,480
How extensively should the town rely on

1008
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,319
appropriated use of the beginning fund

1009
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:08,319
balances for expenditures and to balance

1010
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:09,839
fund budgets? So, I guess

1011
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:11,599
philosophically we're asking, are we

1012
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:14,079
okay with taking money out of our

1013
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,160
general fund or savings account to cover

1014
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,190
these these funds?

1015
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,560
And I I think my answer to that is

1016
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:31,109
within reason. I I think that

1017
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,000
we probably should get a better handle

1018
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,119
on our

1019
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,839
depreciation and you know what the fact

1020
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:42,880
that the irrigation fund is subsidized

1021
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,480
a lot by the the general fund. I think

1022
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,200
that can only happen for so for so long.

1023
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,599
Especially I mean this year if we're

1024
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:54,480
choosing to

1025
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,280
uh be strained in the growth that we see

1026
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
someday that might not be our choice. It

1027
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,839
might be the actual way it is. Um and

1028
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:07,839
that money is going to have to come from

1029
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:12,079
somewhere and our savings keeping. So I

1030
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,119
think I I'm really I feel really

1031
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:16,640
sensitive to the idea that we're

1032
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,920
thinking, you know, we just talked about

1033
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,280
the tax and maybe now we are talking

1034
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,960
about um increasing user fees

1035
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,839
potentially and it all has to come from

1036
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:31,839
somewhere. So whether we're feeling the

1037
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:34,240
pinch or our

1038
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,720
residents and visitors are feeling the

1039
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,800
pinch, it's it's really difficult.

1040
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,680
There's no easy answer. So I think we

1041
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:52,950
should try to use moderation in both avenues.

1042
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,839
I'm personally a big proponent of user

1043
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:59,119
taxes. I think that

1044
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:02,559
people ought to pay for what they use.

1045
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:05,520
And I I am not really crazy about the

1046
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,599
idea of funding,

1047
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,440
especially the water fund. I think that

1048
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,400
water is our most precious commodity

1049
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,800
and if somebody wants to use more, they

1050
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,359
should plan to pay for that. And so, you

1051
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:22,480
know, the the $3,000 that we that we

1052
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,079
fund, the irrigation fund is pretty

1053
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,319
minor, but it's still water. And then

1054
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:28,800
the 69,000 that we fund, the water fund,

1055
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,880
I sort of have a problem with that. I

1056
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,400
think we ought to be pricing water to

1057
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,520
break even.

1058
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,119
Sewer is a little bit different right

1059
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,200
now because we were forced to do a

1060
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,760
project that

1061
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,800
is is costing us a lot of money and debt

1062
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,280
service and

1063
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,839
transportation. I think that that extra

1064
00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:54,160
tax could take care of some of that,

1065
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,400
right, Tom? Because that would go

1066
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,559
directly into the transportation fund.

1067
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,520
>> Yeah. So, the the the trans and again,

1068
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,680
Don can back me up on this hopefully,

1069
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,839
but the the transportation fund is

1070
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:07,359
probably the healthiest of all of our

1071
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:09,920
funds

1072
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,200
and and so I I yes, that extra tax

1073
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,800
could, you know, could help and that's

1074
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,599
great. Um, and to the extent that we

1075
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:21,359
could use that tax to to um lessen the

1076
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:23,680
load the impact on the general fund

1077
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,960
would be fantastic, but the the

1078
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,720
transportation fund itself is actually

1079
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,800
pretty healthy. Okay. It looks like a

1080
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,520
lot of money that we're over, but

1081
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,839
maybe Oh, but we're over. We're not.

1082
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:35,599
Yeah, that's really healthy. I was I was

1083
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,240
thinking we were under. So, we're over

1084
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,160
on all of it except sewer.

1085
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,520
>> Yeah. So, what's going on with the

1086
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,119
sewer?

1087
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,359
Yeah, I think it that's some that is

1088
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:48,800
something that I think we really need

1089
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,760
to look at.

1090
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,790
We spent

1091
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,870
million

1092
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,559
projects

1093
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,640
and now because it's not moving TSS

1094
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,470
levels that

1095
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,319
expected it to, we are now having to add

1096
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:16,880
chemicals and we are going to have an

1097
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,119
expenditure approximately

1098
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,470
$160,000

1099
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,400
chemicals to make this filtration

1100
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,119
project. So

1101
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:36,790
that $160,000

1102
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,000
should in my mind that should trigger us

1103
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,280
looking at the the sewer rates and

1104
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,480
potentially raising the sewer rates.

1105
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,400
And I have a question about the sewer

1106
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,720
rates too in that um I know that 40% of

1107
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,960
the effluent has come from Zion National

1108
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,839
Park. With them putting the extended

1109
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:01,680
sewer in, will it be more of of what we

1110
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,040
receive?

1111
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,800
>> Yeah, slightly. That um that rate I

1112
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,640
think is adjusted

1113
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,640
how do we adjust that, Don?

1114
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,319
>> Annually.

1115
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:14,160
That rate is adjusted annually. So yeah,

1116
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,240
as as those new restrooms in the park

1117
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:19,680
come online, then that they'll they'll

1118
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,960
pay more for it

1119
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,720
>> and they pay that percentage, I know.

1120
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:24,720
But do we take all of these expenses

1121
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,960
into account when we when we charge them

1122
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,800
or do we just charge them per whatever

1123
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,359
unit we all pay?

1124
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:35,440
>> Can you answer that?

1125
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,520
>> We take all of the expenses. Okay.

1126
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,200
>> So

1127
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,720
they also are paying a share of the

1128
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:49,349
project. Okay.

1129
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:52,549
» Okay.

1130
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:54,800
» So, we'll still be in a deficit in sewer

1131
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,359
fund and and

1132
00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:58,720
especially when you consider the

1133
00:52:58,720 --> 00:52:59,119
chemicals

1134
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:00,800
>> when you consider the chemical

1135
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,559
>> which is something we were not expecting

1136
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:04,960
when we we built this sewer filtration

1137
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,520
project. And

1138
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,440
>> without going into a lot of detail, what

1139
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,200
happened there? Obviously, the

1140
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,510
expectation

1141
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,119
can engineer something, it doesn't mean

1142
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:18,480
it's always going to work.

1143
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,119
>> Yeah. The um but didn't didn't the

1144
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,920
contract original contract include a

1145
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,240
clause that said in case this doesn't

1146
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,400
work, we're going to use

1147
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,000
it wasn't like it was a surprise, right?

1148
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,119
>> I think

1149
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:34,880
>> Sorry, Pat. Will you repeat that last

1150
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:35,520
question?

1151
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,359
>> The in terms of using the chemicals,

1152
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:39,920
that wasn't a surprise for us. Rob,

1153
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:44,319
>> do you want to respond to that? That was a surprise.

1154
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:47,200
>> But the contract said that if if this

1155
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,280
filtration system doesn't work, we may

1156
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,920
have to use chemicals. And the contract

1157
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,680
>> Yeah, I I think you're right. Initially,

1158
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,599
we were the we were under the impression

1159
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:57,200
that the plant would run without

1160
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,640
chemicals. It would just it would just

1161
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,240
kind of do its own thing. It would still

1162
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:01,839
need routine daily maintenance, that

1163
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:05,040
type of stuff, but no chemical addition.

1164
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,079
Um and with running the plant uh trying

1165
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,000
to get it online and reach these TSS

1166
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,920
numbers, we weren't able to get low

1167
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,640
enough numbers for the state discharge

1168
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,599
into the river. So we had to um start

1169
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,160
adding chemical which is going to be

1170
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,319
this that large number that 160 um kind

1171
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:26,400
of a higher higher number at this point.

1172
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,760
We're still pretty new in the chemical

1173
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,760
game. found numbers that worked, but

1174
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,000
that's or that are working, but that's

1175
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,319
kind of the higher end of what it's

1176
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:35,839
going to cost. So far, there's still

1177
00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:38,880
some tweaking that we can do. And right

1178
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,040
now, we're running at a higher gallons

1179
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,960
per minute.

1180
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,520
The normal the normal rate of discharge

1181
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,200
at the lagoons will be around 100

1182
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,720
gallons per minute. Right now, we're

1183
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,240
double that to 100 gallons per minute.

1184
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,760
So, we're actually adding more chemical

1185
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,880
at the moment than we buil will be under

1186
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,760
normal operations. Even with the

1187
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,240
additional sewer line in the park,

1188
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,920
>> would that take it all up?

1189
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,680
>> Yeah, anticipated um anticipated flows

1190
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,920
still should be around the 100 gallons

1191
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,920
per minute on a daily basis or hourly

1192
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,040
basis on a on a yearly flow. Um the

1193
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,880
other thing that we've looked into as

1194
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,079
far as cutting chemical costs is um

1195
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,160
getting shipments larger shipments and

1196
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,000
have a larger um storage tank there so

1197
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,319
that we can if you the more you buy it's

1198
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:30,000
you know a bulk rate. So the more you

1199
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,160
buy the cheaper it is. So that's another

1200
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,440
way that we can uh decrease that amount

1201
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,760
of money. um upfront it's going to cost

1202
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:38,960
a little more for that actual

1203
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,800
infrastructure to go in for a larger

1204
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,040
tank um to to hold that chemical and

1205
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
then just whatever it takes pump that

1206
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,240
into the into the filters and things but

1207
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,000
um that is another way that we can

1208
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,400
decrease costs in the future. It's not

1209
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,079
going to immediate thing, but that's

1210
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:57,520
just

1211
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,960
>> And Pat, I think maybe one of the

1212
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,640
clauses you're thinking of is there was

1213
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,440
a clause that said if it didn't work as

1214
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,119
intended, the engineer was held

1215
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:08,000
>> responsible.

1216
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,000
>> Not responsible.

1217
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,920
>> That's that's what I think. I think that

1218
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,599
they they acknowledge we acknowledge

1219
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:15,920
that it may or may not work. So, I don't

1220
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,799
think we have any recourse with Sunrise

1221
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:20,240
if that's where you're going with making

1222
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,000
them pay for the chemical or anything.

1223
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,040
Is there any chance that

1224
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:31,200
the state would issue us a different allowance of what we could put

1225
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,880
in the river? Because it's algae. It's

1226
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,079
not it's not sewage or are we pretty

1227
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:37,680
much where we're going to be with the

1228
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,200
state?

1229
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,400
>> I'm I think we're pretty much there.

1230
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,040
>> Okay.

1231
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,920
>> We kind of talked about that Tom um in

1232
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,920
that last meeting with Sunrise

1233
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,839
some thoughts on that. I think We're

1234
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:55,680
basically stuck with um the amount of

1235
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,240
water that we can put into river and the

1236
00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:59,839
PSS.

1237
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:01,520
>> Okay.

1238
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,559
So, we're not going to discuss an

1239
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:06,559
increase in sewer rates here today,

1240
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:09,680
right, Tom? We're just something we want

1241
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,440
to get on the radar for future. We

1242
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,920
really want to cover those costs.

1243
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,760
>> That That's correct. I mean, you have to

1244
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,559
go through a a hearing process and

1245
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,599
things to raise your rates, but

1246
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:23,680
It it's if you want us to start thinking

1247
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,920
about that and looking towards that, you

1248
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,319
can give the staff to that direction.

1249
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:29,359
>> I'd say yes.

1250
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:33,440
>> And what I was bring

1251
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,760
about about the sewer rates. It's a flat

1252
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,000
rate, right?

1253
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,119
For from my house, it's a flat rate.

1254
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,359
>> It's it's based on usage. It's based on

1255
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:44,240
your water usage.

1256
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,599
>> Yeah. Right. Got it. Okay. Good.

1257
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,160
>> Yeah.

1258
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,760
>> But you probably never leave the first

1259
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,359
tier. That's probably why it looks like

1260
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:50,640
a flat rate.

1261
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,480
>> I would also recommend and Tom and I

1262
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,559
have talked about this since since this

1263
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,760
project is still kind of in process and

1264
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,280
we don't really know how much chemical

1265
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,079
will be used and how, you know, um we

1266
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,480
talked about letting it kind of limp

1267
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,559
through this first year and watching it

1268
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,720
until it gets, you know, till we have a

1269
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,760
normal before we jump in and raise rates

1270
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,119
because we don't want to raise them and

1271
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,280
have them be too high or have to raise

1272
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,760
them again, you know. So I that's kind

1273
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,240
of what Tom discussed.

1274
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,839
>> That sounds like a good plan.

1275
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:23,359
>> And I have no problem with that. I just

1276
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,359
think it's something that we need to be

1277
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:26,160
looking at.

1278
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:26,720
>> Absolutely.

1279
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,440
>> Yeah. It's on the radar for sure.

1280
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,040
>> Prominently on the rad.

1281
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,040
>> Yeah. And in the in the meantime, I

1282
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,640
maybe while we're waiting for the sewer

1283
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,559
to to settle itself out, we do know what

1284
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:41,520
we are um deficient in for the water

1285
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,520
fund and that our tears are going to be

1286
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,440
um out starting in 2027. So maybe we

1287
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,680
start looking at that sooner rather than

1288
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:52,480
later.

1289
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,240
>> Although we're in a positive on those

1290
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,880
funds. Oh, I thought we were saying that

1291
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:57,920
we the

1292
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,400
>> Yeah, the only one I I was I was not

1293
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,079
looking at that correctly. We're the

1294
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:03,680
only one we're negative on right now is

1295
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,799
the sewer fund.

1296
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:06,319
>> Well, and irrigation.

1297
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:07,280
>> Yes, with an

1298
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,760
>> until we start looking at depreciation.

1299
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,920
>> Correct. Two two asterisks. One is

1300
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,920
actually three asterisks. Um one is um

1301
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,119
because they don't they don't include

1302
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:19,520
depreciation. Um the other asterisk is

1303
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,359
because that relies on the transfer from

1304
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:24,000
the general fund to those enterprise

1305
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,480
funds to make them balance and and the

1306
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,760
third is that it also relies on

1307
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,359
appropriated use of the beginning fund

1308
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:31,839
balances.

1309
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:35,510
>> So how many

1310
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,839
of the funds are being supplemented by

1311
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:42,230
the general fund

1312
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,640
» and we don't even want to talk about

1313
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,640
irrigation today.

1314
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Well, I I believe it I believe for the

1315
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,040
irrigation and the general fund, excuse

1316
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,200
me, the irrigation and the water fund.

1317
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Is that correct, Don?

1318
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,520
>> Yes.

1319
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,359
>> Um

1320
00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:00,480
but when you say, you know, um

1321
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,040
subsidized,

1322
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,200
>> so they don't pay for themselves.

1323
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, all of the funds

1324
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,680
have some I mean all of those all those

1325
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:15,839
operations rely to to some extent on the Well, never mind. I'm I'm not

1326
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:19,910
going to go there. Ju Yeah.

1327
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,200
» Well, so we've got some rate increases

1328
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,599
coming next year and I think I think it

1329
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:27,680
sounds like philosophically this council

1330
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:33,040
believes that these funds should these funds should be funding themselves

1331
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,280
so to speak and we should our rate

1332
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,280
should

1333
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,440
reflect that that we would like for them

1334
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,680
to cover themselves.

1335
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,839
Uh, I do have a question on the building

1336
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:46,640
fund, the SMBA fund. What is the

1337
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,319
revenue? Because that's more revenue

1338
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,640
than we get in rents for the medical

1339
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:57,589
clinic.

1340
01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:59,280
There was a number in the sheets of what

1341
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,880
we get from them and I couldn't figure

1342
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,319
out what where this higher number

1343
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:05,200
>> lease revenue from the general fund.

1344
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,760
It's just that that weird number. So we

1345
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,640
get we have the the community center

1346
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:11,839
bond

1347
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:14,000
>> lease payment and then have the Lion

1348
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,920
Boulevard property purchase lease

1349
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,799
payment. So So we have both of those debt service payments.

1350
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:22,240
>> So they're not actually money we're

1351
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:22,880
making.

1352
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,520
>> No, it's just it just hops from the

1353
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,079
general fund to the Simba fund general

1354
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:28,960
fund. Yeah.

1355
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,200
>> Okay. So that 4500 is approximately what

1356
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,040
we get for the medical center. The yeah

1357
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,920
the 4500 is is actually what we are

1358
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,200
getting in interest.

1359
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,030
>> Okay.

1360
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,520
makes sense.

1361
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,000
So then the third philosophical question

1362
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,079
where are the key expenditures discussed

1363
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,160
in this report appropriate use of TM

1364
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,119
funds? Are there other expenditures

1365
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,680
equipments plans etc. So I think to talk

1366
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,280
about that we should start looking at

1367
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,040
these

1368
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,680
key expenditures

1369
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,839
and uh maybe we do that in conjunction

1370
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:08,640
with the capital priority sheet um

1371
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,720
specifically looking at year one.

1372
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,920
So So Tom, why don't you talk to us

1373
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,480
about the general government admin key

1374
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,119
expenditures?

1375
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:22,559
>> Sure. Well, I'll I'll talk about the

1376
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:24,000
first one and then I'll maybe I'll let

1377
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,920
Nile talk about the the second one.

1378
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,319
Okay.

1379
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:29,520
>> Um so the first one is the um ongoing

1380
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,000
work on the

1381
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,720
uh town's newly acquired property 2

1382
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,200
acres on Lion Boulevard. Um that we

1383
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,280
obviously acquired that property with

1384
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,440
the extent of expanding our municipal

1385
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,599
campus. At the time we acquired that we

1386
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:45,359
were looking specifically at a medical

1387
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:46,960
clinic and then potential other

1388
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,160
municipal uses. Maybe a town hall, maybe

1389
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,119
a um post office.

1390
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:57,680
So, uh, we obtained a a grant from the

1391
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,040
governor's office of economic

1392
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,880
opportunity to fund the initial

1393
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,680
master site planning for the property

1394
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,880
and then also the um full design of the

1395
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,640
medical clinic. That's the that's the

1396
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,520
$334,000.

1397
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,960
Um, we we've started that project. We so

1398
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,960
far have spent about $55,000

1399
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,039
of that project, I believe.

1400
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:29,920
>> Including the architect fees,

1401
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,200
>> I believe. So,

1402
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,200
>> I'd sign more checks than that.

1403
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,440
>> It could be. We haven't spent it all.

1404
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,599
So, so that three the point is that

1405
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:39,839
$334,000 is actually spread across two

1406
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:41,599
years, across this budget year and the

1407
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:42,960
next budget year, but it's completely

1408
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,799
offset by the GoEO grant. So, so yes,

1409
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:48,480
that is a key expenditure and yes, that

1410
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,559
is money that we will be spending. Um,

1411
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:52,880
however, it's it's also completely paid

1412
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,520
for by a grant. So, not spending that

1413
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,520
money is not going to change our bottom

1414
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,160
line at all.

1415
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,799
>> So, that's that's the first um that's

1416
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:04,160
the first project. The second one is

1417
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,039
I'll let Nile talk about the town jail

1418
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,920
rehabilitation.

1419
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,920
>> Yes. So this is one of the projects that

1420
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,240
the historic preservation commission has

1421
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,480
been working on. So over the last few

1422
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,960
years uh the HPC has been quite active

1423
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,000
in um

1424
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,079
doing some work on our historic assets

1425
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,640
in the town. So we have the greenery

1426
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,160
that uh was refurbished and there's some

1427
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,599
interpretive information there. Um the

1428
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:37,280
HBC has put a plaque at the irrigation

1429
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,920
ditch and then uh just on Monday

1430
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,799
actually we completed the um

1431
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:45,280
interpretive sign and monument at the

1432
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,760
pioneer cemetery. So this is um this is

1433
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,400
kind of the next um project in the HBC's

1434
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,039
in their crosshairs uh to do some work

1435
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,920
on the on the jail. Some of the work

1436
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:03,520
would be um to address some potential

1437
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,319
safety issues that are there. Um but

1438
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:08,480
then also to clean it up, maybe a little

1439
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,520
bit of landscaping, some interpretation

1440
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,400
um and those sorts of things. Uh we're

1441
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,079
hopeful that the jail will be on the

1442
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:21,839
walking tour. Um, and so it's it's just

1443
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:23,920
kind of yeah, one of those historic

1444
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,400
assets in town that the HBC would like

1445
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,599
to um refurbish and kind of bring up to

1446
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:34,079
a standard where people can come and

1447
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,400
visit it.

1448
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:42,390
>> Has there been any effort to secure?

1449
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,839
Yeah. So, at at the moment, the the HBC

1450
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:49,839
and staff have not um pursued any grants

1451
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:51,920
at at this point. On our most recent

1452
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,799
project at the Pioneer Cemetery, uh we

1453
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:58,400
got uh $5,000 from Rocky Mountain Power.

1454
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,680
So, there are um we kind of haven't

1455
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,359
gotten to that point yet with the town

1456
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:05,039
jail, but there there may be

1457
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,200
opportunities similar to that for the

1458
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,480
town jail.

1459
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,799
>> And I was just kind of curious in a

1460
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:19,270
previous

1461
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:28,549
I'm just curious if this I don't think

1462
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:30,480
» you said Greater Zion likes to hear from

1463
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:35,829
Springdale.

1464
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:36,559
» I know that

1465
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,240
>> that's what I thought I heard. Yeah, in

1466
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,520
the context what we were talking about

1467
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,160
that was I think more for like we talked

1468
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,319
like marketing. I don't know if there's

1469
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:46,559
something

1470
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,599
maybe with the tax advisory board almost

1471
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:50,960
as the same

1472
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,880
>> like I will tell you you know I'm

1473
01:06:52,880 --> 01:07:04,309
involved in Washington.

1474
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:06,640
Aren't there grants from Utah State

1475
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,920
Historical Department, too?

1476
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,760
May maybe you could look into something

1477
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,520
like that, Nile, but it's not a lot of

1478
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,720
money anyway. So, and um so the key

1479
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,400
expenditure for the park, we've already

1480
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:19,760
talked about that today. I don't think

1481
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,240
we need to get into that one.

1482
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,680
Um Garen, what about

1483
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,440
I don't know that we have any uh

1484
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,359
questions about police vehicles or a

1485
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:30,720
parking car, but is there anything you

1486
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:37,109
want to say about that?

1487
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:39,359
I don't. It's straightforward. It's It's

1488
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:41,760
every year. So, um, Robert, what about

1489
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,960
these public works projects?

1490
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:51,190
Looks like most of those are streets.

1491
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,000
» Yeah. Do you guys have any questions on

1492
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,920
any of these projects?

1493
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,160
>> I guess I have a question on Big Springs

1494
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:58,720
Road.

1495
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,480
>> Okay.

1496
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,079
Um, is that a priority?

1497
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:08,480
>> Uh, yes. That road is uh pretty

1498
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,839
dilapidated. We we definitely need to

1499
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:15,599
look at getting that uh reconstructed.

1500
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:19,600
>> What? So, you said it funds the design.

1501
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,600
So, just a design that's just designed

1502
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,319
this year.

1503
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,839
>> Yeah. So in years past, co kind of

1504
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:29,839
messed it up, but um we used to try to

1505
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:33,359
do the design in year one and then the

1506
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,120
project in year two because it just got

1507
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,120
to be too much to try to get design done

1508
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,600
and then get everything else compiled to

1509
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,080
get ready for the project. So trying to

1510
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,640
go back to design in year one, project

1511
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,520
in year two or three seems to work

1512
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,000
better.

1513
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,159
So if we look at year two, you're that's

1514
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:55,839
where you've got the big expenditure for

1515
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:57,600
the paving and overlays and everything,

1516
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:58,719
correct? Okay.

1517
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:01,199
>> So So if we fund the design this year,

1518
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,520
we should be prepared to fund the work

1519
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,359
next year.

1520
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,630
>> Just

1521
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,799
» um Robert, what's the hold up with the

1522
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:13,359
sidewalk? What like you do? It says that

1523
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:16,560
we're waiting on U dot.

1524
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,159
>> Yes and no. So, um, when I first

1525
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:23,279
contacted UD do, um,

1526
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,359
I was given the impression that we

1527
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:26,799
weren't going to have to go through

1528
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:29,279
structures, um, like we had on the past

1529
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:31,279
two projects because we've done two

1530
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:32,960
projects with them. It was pretty

1531
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,480
straightforward.

1532
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:37,040
Um, so

1533
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,880
going through different entities through

1534
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,920
UD do um, yes, we don't need to go

1535
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:42,960
through that. We don't need to go

1536
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:44,960
through that. And then I was assigned a

1537
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,759
project engineer for the project. he dug

1538
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:49,839
into it more and started asking more

1539
01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:53,520
questions on uh the UD do side and he

1540
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,840
come back and said hey we want to run

1541
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,679
this through structures again. So that

1542
01:09:57,679 --> 01:09:59,760
ch kind of changed the scope of

1543
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,320
everything because we didn't plan on um

1544
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,560
having to investigate soils. We didn't

1545
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,800
plan on having to design the wall like

1546
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,960
we had on the previous two projects. In

1547
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,520
fact, this wall is actually shorter than

1548
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,239
any project we've done. And so going off

1549
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,640
that information, we thought we were

1550
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,159
fine, but as uh time progressed, they

1551
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:22,000
wanted to go back to the way we did the

1552
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,600
other two projects. And so it's really

1553
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:24,960
slowed things down.

1554
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,360
>> Okay. And you you're saying here that

1555
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,320
it's coming from UD do funds, you do

1556
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:31,600
contingency funds.

1557
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,640
>> Um I was able to get $78,000 in

1558
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,159
contingency for it.

1559
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:37,600
>> So a portion of Okay.

1560
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,199
>> Yep.

1561
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:41,520
And then I had a a question for you

1562
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:46,560
about the balance rock drainage study.

1563
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,280
>> Uhhuh.

1564
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,280
>> Um,

1565
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,000
obviously that that area is an issue and

1566
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,640
I agree that we should try to do

1567
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:59,040
something. Um, but I'm wondering

1568
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,159
if we study that and find out that the

1569
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:06,320
water is not coming from town property,

1570
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:12,159
what what mitigation strategies? I mean,

1571
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:14,000
will the study tell us things that we

1572
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,040
actually have control over?

1573
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,520
>> I don't think we'll know that until we

1574
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,760
do the study because right now it's a

1575
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,640
big question mark of we have this issue.

1576
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,800
the water's coming down, but we haven't

1577
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,360
really pinpointed what exactly is going

1578
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:33,199
on. And so the study is to kind of help

1579
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:35,440
us start figuring out what's going on,

1580
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:36,880
where it's coming from, where it's

1581
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,239
going.

1582
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:40,640
>> Were we having that runoff before that

1583
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,719
road was

1584
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:43,520
built?

1585
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,840
>> Yeah, we've always had runoff there. So,

1586
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,159
um, in years past before, uh, Luke

1587
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:49,840
Wilson had his parking lot and that kind

1588
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,800
of stuff, um, that was a big open area

1589
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,760
right there. And so generally most of

1590
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,159
the silt from the runoff came to that

1591
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:00,560
big dirt area and it was easy to manage

1592
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,120
because we could just grab uh the back

1593
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,159
hoe um load a couple dump trucks of the

1594
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:09,120
silt and take it away. Now that we've

1595
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,080
built out properties, it's changed the

1596
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,560
flow and also the um the flood that we

1597
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,960
had in 2021. Um I had a pretty good um

1598
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,080
idea of how things ran until that flood.

1599
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,400
And then once that flood came in, it

1600
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,280
changed the course of how things water

1601
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,600
moves now. And so we're relearning some

1602
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:30,480
of that.

1603
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:32,320
>> Okay. So this study will tell us where

1604
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:33,760
it's coming from and therefore what the

1605
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:34,719
mitigation is.

1606
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:35,280
>> Yep.

1607
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,840
>> Seems important.

1608
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,640
>> Okay. So I'm thinking maybe once we

1609
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,159
identify where the water is coming from,

1610
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:43,600
it's maybe not stopping it at the

1611
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,520
source, but once it's down on the

1612
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,679
roadway,

1613
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:49,440
what we do with it then? like if we can

1614
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:51,199
direct it somehow then

1615
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:53,440
>> potentially. Um so Sunrise when they

1616
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:56,400
look at it um talking to Blaine we're

1617
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,320
just gonna come up with a bunch of ideas

1618
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,880
of what we could or couldn't do to

1619
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,000
mitigate it. Um whether that be up top

1620
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:10,390
or SR

1621
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,400
I have a question about the dredging

1622
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,440
that that we do every year. Is there any

1623
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:17,280
system design that could be done that

1624
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,360
would eliminate the need for that or is

1625
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,159
that just a normal part of a settling

1626
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,880
pond?

1627
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,159
I'm just wondering if there's something

1628
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:27,840
we could do in the short run that that

1629
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,440
saves us money in the long run, but

1630
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:30,800
maybe the answer is no.

1631
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,480
>> Um, at this point, no.

1632
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:33,760
>> Okay.

1633
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:38,400
>> With with the area that we have, there's just no ground for that material

1634
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,120
to go when they dredge it out. It can't

1635
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,679
go into the wash.

1636
01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:46,080
Okay. And obviously you couldn't just

1637
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,600
put a filter because it would just clog

1638
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,480
up anyway. And yeah. So Okay.

1639
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:53,199
>> Um and if we are going to be going over

1640
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:57,679
the the the master plan stuff there is a plan eventually to put a

1641
01:13:57,679 --> 01:13:59,679
different structure up there that can be

1642
01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:02,480
maintained concrete bottom structure

1643
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:06,229
that

1644
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,000
» so it will be a routine maintenance type

1645
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,120
thing not just a contracted project.

1646
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,239
>> Okay. So, is there anything else from

1647
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:16,239
the staff report and and the key

1648
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:17,840
expenditures we want to talk about? Do

1649
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:18,960
we want to look at the capital

1650
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,760
priorities list that we looked at in

1651
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:22,560
January?

1652
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,080
>> I just want to make a quick comment

1653
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,760
about the last one on the 60k. You know,

1654
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,840
I I mean, I do kind of I mean, I

1655
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,480
understand it. You know, I drive a 2014

1656
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:35,600
Tundra. I could certainly make the same

1657
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,000
argument. It's susceptible to major

1658
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,679
repairs. Therefore, I need to buy a new

1659
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:42,080
truck. you know, unless you've got a

1660
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,040
vehicle that you've got a history of

1661
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,000
high maintenance,

1662
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,440
and correct me if I'm wrong, we're

1663
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:51,280
really not talking about vehicles that

1664
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:55,040
have high mileage other than they've got

1665
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,760
age on them. So, I guess I kind of

1666
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,159
question the

1667
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:02,080
thought process, you know, just because

1668
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,159
it's an older vehicle, you know, we need

1669
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:07,679
to replace it with new. So, I'm kind of

1670
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:11,199
slow. So, and and I look at it addition

1671
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:13,440
to those dynamics, you also have

1672
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:16,159
exposure. These trucks go places that I

1673
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:25,910
don't take my pickup truck, right?

1674
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,520
» So, that do they actually leave the

1675
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,510
pavement?

1676
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,239
» Yeah, they they leave the pavement um

1677
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:36,719
going down to the sewer lagoons. Um once

1678
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:39,360
you turn into Rockville, you got that.

1679
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,400
We end up in precarious places

1680
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,080
sometimes. I mean, it's not all the

1681
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,080
time, but we do.

1682
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,159
>> We also end up hauling trailers and that

1683
01:15:50,159 --> 01:16:04,070
sort of thing, too. You know, with the vac.

1684
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,760
So, was that just a comment, Jack?

1685
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,679
>> It's a comment. Okay. I mean, I what I'd

1686
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:10,080
really like to hear is this vehicle has,

1687
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,679
you know, a long history of high

1688
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:13,360
maintenance,

1689
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,239
you know, other than, you know, it's a

1690
01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:17,520
2017.

1691
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,120
>> Um, it had some transmission issues that

1692
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,040
cost us, I think, three or $4,000 a

1693
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,080
couple years back. And,

1694
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,000
uh, talking to Kobe, I think his truck

1695
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,400
is at like 135,000 miles now.

1696
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,280
So,

1697
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,360
>> well, I feel just like in our personal

1698
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,920
budgets where

1699
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,360
if we need to replace a water tank in

1700
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,120
our house, we want to have the money

1701
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,920
there to do that. Doesn't mean we have

1702
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,560
to replace it, but I they're a better

1703
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,840
judge of when it's time than

1704
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,040
>> I don't know.

1705
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:59,040
>> I think it's the same argument used for

1706
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,320
police cars. Um, routinely, I think

1707
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,880
nationally three year cycle, right? Get

1708
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,640
them out. They never leave the road with

1709
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,040
as high use, which is not bad for a car

1710
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,600
like that. We dump them every three

1711
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:19,270
years mainly because you

1712
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,520
» Yeah, the warranty is big on those. We

1713
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:26,960
also they they run a lot because they're idling. They're we do off-road

1714
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,199
quite a bit as well with some of these

1715
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:29,600
areas

1716
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,120
>> sense to recycle these things on a

1717
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,600
regular basis. Yeah, we

1718
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:34,320
>> Yeah,

1719
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:34,719
>> I think

1720
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:36,560
>> I agree because we we do have a police

1721
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,040
two police cars that are constantly

1722
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,719
either being towed or in the shop or

1723
01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:42,480
something that I'm trying to get rid of.

1724
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:51,590
So, yeah, does happen.

1725
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,600
» That's just my opinion on it. I think

1726
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,000
for me in looking at the list I keep

1727
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:01,110
wondering what

1728
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:05,910
I don't see anything

1729
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,480
it's kind of more related to I mean are

1730
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:15,830
we missing anything as it relates to

1731
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:22,229
what are we doing as far as future

1732
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:25,030
water

1733
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:26,880
to me that just kind of seems to be

1734
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:32,390
missing from the last.

1735
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,760
» So, I guess that's my question is are we

1736
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,480
missing anything?

1737
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:40,080
>> Yeah, that that's a really good point,

1738
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,320
Jack. And the the mayor alluded to this

1739
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,000
a little bit earlier as well that water

1740
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,440
is our most precious and valuable

1741
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:48,080
resource. And one of the ways, one of

1742
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,120
the one of the one of the um primary

1743
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,960
ways to encourage water conservation is

1744
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,480
through appropriate water pricing. Um

1745
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:58,320
and so so that could be a water

1746
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,960
conservation strategy. Um we've also

1747
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:02,880
talked a little bit with the community

1748
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,640
development department about a um water

1749
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,040
a water-wise landscape ordinance that

1750
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,400
can be implemented and um water-wise

1751
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,159
building requirements that can be

1752
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:17,040
implemented. So yes, absolutely. I don't

1753
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,159
know that those are things that will

1754
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:21,280
cost us money to do um but definitely

1755
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,679
things that we we want to incorporate

1756
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:25,920
>> and we need to remember that even though

1757
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,120
we don't get water from the

1758
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,560
conservation I mean the Washington

1759
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,239
County conser water conservancy district

1760
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:39,679
that we do pay property tax and we can

1761
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,840
be included in their program. So if we

1762
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,920
wanted to do something like a buyback

1763
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,159
lawn program or or things like that,

1764
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:49,760
they would support that.

1765
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,840
>> Correct. And I and I think as we all

1766
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,320
know that there's a certain segment of

1767
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,239
our residents who really want to

1768
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:01,280
so you know whether or not it has a cost

1769
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:02,960
associated

1770
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:10,709
um I and this came up

1771
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:12,800
» they wanted to know why the town wasn't

1772
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,040
more concerned about water conservation

1773
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,600
and so I mean I think we are concerned

1774
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:24,229
it's just maybe our messaging is a

1775
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:26,880
I think putting less grass at the park

1776
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,040
is a good start, too. I think I think

1777
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:30,719
walking the talk is our best

1778
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:34,470
demonstration.

1779
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:35,120
Um

1780
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,880
>> can sorry m can I

1781
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:37,920
>> uh

1782
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,719
>> just bring up one other uh expenditure

1783
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:43,679
just to make sure that you noticed it um

1784
01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:45,600
with and and Robert can talk to this a

1785
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,920
little bit as well about um Redhawk

1786
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,080
Drive maintenance

1787
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,560
there. We we there's a choose your own

1788
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,040
adventure part of the staff report here.

1789
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:59,360
There's a $10,000 or a $400 some

1790
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:00,800
odd,000.

1791
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,840
>> That's really different.

1792
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,440
Um, Robert, do you want to talk about

1793
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:06,880
the differences there?

1794
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,630
>> Yeah.

1795
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,480
» So, the $10,000 difference is

1796
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,199
essentially uh just mitigating the

1797
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:19,920
cracks for now until we decide to do the

1798
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,840
reconstruct again on talk. Um, we were

1799
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,679
in the red pretty heavy on the budget

1800
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:27,520
and so that was one thing that we looked

1801
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,760
at that maybe could be shifted till next

1802
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:33,520
year. Um, so

1803
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,520
>> but more importantly, those houses are

1804
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,360
going to be built, so why work on the

1805
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,280
road before they're built?

1806
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,040
>> Yeah.

1807
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,159
>> So I personally like the idea of

1808
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:47,120
spending a little bit to for the short

1809
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,600
term and then redoing the road after the

1810
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,600
houses are built. Anybody object to

1811
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:52,320
that?

1812
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,960
>> No, I think that's actually a really

1813
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,960
great idea. I mean, I'm currently

1814
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,040
watching a fairly brand new road get

1815
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,679
construction. So, I think if we can

1816
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:06,320
wait, that will inevitably help the

1817
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,400
neighborhood have a nicer road for

1818
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,320
longer. Um, if you can wait for all the

1819
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,199
construction

1820
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:16,800
and maybe we would benefit from those

1821
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,000
soils reports that they're doing there,

1822
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:20,960
too.

1823
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:27,440
>> Or maybe we'll do our own. So uh so we got soil reports um when we did the

1824
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,719
project in I think 2019 and then we also

1825
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:34,800
got soil reports last year after we

1826
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,239
started seeing the issues and um

1827
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:41,360
essentially what it come down to is

1828
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:45,760
the soil the clay um before we did the

1829
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,760
project in 2019 was saturated to the

1830
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,719
optimum level of moisture for that soil.

1831
01:22:52,719 --> 01:22:55,920
The recommendation from Landmark was to

1832
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,440
uh remove 3 ft of that soil to build it

1833
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:07,280
back up, not knowing that layer was part of that that optimum

1834
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,760
moisture layer. And so when we removed

1835
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,400
the 3 ft from the recommendation,

1836
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,800
they're thinking that's what's causing

1837
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:21,120
the issues now. And so, um, yeah.

1838
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,280
>> And then the developer might build a

1839
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,040
couple spurs, but that's at their

1840
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:26,239
expense, right?

1841
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:27,840
>> I I didn't hear that part.

1842
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,280
>> The developer when they build the

1843
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,880
houses, I think they might have a couple

1844
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,480
spurs, but I think that's at their

1845
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:33,360
expense and ours.

1846
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:34,960
>> That's correct.

1847
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:39,040
>> I did have a question, um, Robert, about

1848
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,440
the bus turnaround asphalt on the dirt

1849
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:43,120
lot up here. Mhm.

1850
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,120
>> Wouldn't that would that be a Utah Tech

1851
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,000
expense or a Sunran expense or is that

1852
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,360
legitimately ours?

1853
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:53,040
>> So, when we last talked um at the last

1854
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,480
council meeting about capital

1855
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:57,440
priorities, um Tom had mentioned to the

1856
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:59,440
shuttle that he could talk to the

1857
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:01,440
shuttle people and have it uh turn

1858
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:03,280
around at the community center. Yeah.

1859
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,760
>> Um since that meeting, Tom did call

1860
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,320
them. I have had no issues up there

1861
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:09,440
because they're turning around the

1862
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,520
community center now. So that is now a

1863
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:12,639
non-issue.

1864
01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:14,320
>> Okay.

1865
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,480
So for now we won't pave that.

1866
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:20,560
>> No. And and in years past um when I had

1867
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,639
talked to the school um they had told me

1868
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:27,360
yes it's our responsibility to do the

1869
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,120
pavement and stuff but if you guys were

1870
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,600
to put in curb and gutter that would

1871
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,360
really accelerate and really make us

1872
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,040
want to maybe look at doing something

1873
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,360
there. Now, that was probably

1874
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:43,840
conversations 2019, 2020. Um, I haven't

1875
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,440
had conversations since. I know Rick

1876
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,520
talked to him once or twice, but it

1877
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,239
wasn't anything serious about doing

1878
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:51,280
something up there.

1879
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,840
>> And I think we just need to have a

1880
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,000
larger conversation about that whole

1881
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,840
property with Utah Tech with the new

1882
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,719
administration and sort of see where

1883
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:04,080
things are going. That's Yeah, we'll put

1884
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,960
that on your list, Tom.

1885
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,199
So looking at the pri capital priorities

1886
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,760
list, we looked at this in January. Is

1887
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,600
there anything

1888
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,639
especially focusing on this year one

1889
01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:18,960
immediate? Maybe even look at year two.

1890
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,520
Does anyone have any questions

1891
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:24,480
>> or concerns?

1892
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:25,920
>> But before we move on, I should have

1893
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,639
said this earlier. I think grants are a good idea to investigate for the jail,

1894
01:25:30,639 --> 01:25:32,639
but I do think it's important that with

1895
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:35,920
it being on the audio tour and the fact

1896
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,000
that we do know about some safety issues

1897
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,000
now that we make the effort to get that

1898
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,840
project on this year's keep it on this

1899
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,520
year's and if we can get grant money I

1900
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,159
think that is always

1901
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:53,360
uh been a benefit and preferential um

1902
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,840
but it is $20,000 that I think is would

1903
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,400
be well spent.

1904
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,239
that project

1905
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:01,760
and then we can move on to

1906
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,679
>> Yeah, we don't have that many historic

1907
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:06,239
areas in town. It's good to take care of

1908
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:08,320
what we do have.

1909
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,800
>> Okay. Sorry to kind of be late to the

1910
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,719
game on that comment.

1911
01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:14,639
>> Guess the other the other thing that's a

1912
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:17,360
big expense

1913
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:18,800
pretty big expense that we didn't talk

1914
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,480
about the water line from Balance Rock

1915
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,560
Road to Lion Boulevard. Is that actually

1916
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,000
a like a main water line?

1917
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,679
Rob, do you want to talk about that?

1918
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:30,239
Yeah, that's I I I noticed that was left

1919
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:31,679
off the key expenditure list. I

1920
01:26:31,679 --> 01:26:32,880
apologize that should have been included

1921
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,159
there, but Rob can give you some

1922
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:38,790
background on that project.

1923
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,560
» Yeah. So, that section of water line

1924
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:44,310
will connect

1925
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:54,709
it'll give us a back

1926
01:26:54,719 --> 01:27:11,430
section.

1927
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:13,199
So it's for the town water supply. It's

1928
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:14,960
not a balanced rock

1929
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,719
>> it project. It just happens to be

1930
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:19,440
located there.

1931
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,760
>> Okay.

1932
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,719
Great. So only use it in

1933
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:27,040
emergencies or we use it kind of

1934
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:27,840
regularly?

1935
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,840
>> It would be regularly used but it'll be

1936
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,080
valved out to where we can access water

1937
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:42,709
from the park if um

1938
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:45,360
» um and just just a couple notes on that

1939
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,080
project that's actually included in the

1940
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,560
current 2526

1941
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,440
fiscal year budget. Um we haven't

1942
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:56,080
started that because

1943
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,080
um there's currently an application for

1944
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,600
a subdivision on the property where the

1945
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:06,560
water line would cross and that um that

1946
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,000
subdivision would would potentially

1947
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,000
necess necessitate a change in the

1948
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:17,120
alignment of the of the pipe. And so

1949
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,560
we're waiting to for some certainty on

1950
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,239
what the design or what the ultimate

1951
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:24,159
disposition of that property is going to

1952
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:26,800
be before moving forward with that

1953
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,760
project. So we don't have to put the the

1954
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,320
put it in and then find out that it's

1955
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,480
got to move or something because of the

1956
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:39,910
uh development plans for the property.

1957
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,280
So somewhere on here

1958
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,679
there were events there was a list of

1959
01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:49,910
events that we fund.

1960
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,000
» Might not go into actual spreadsheet

1961
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:57,750
though

1962
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,760
there there's events in the budget

1963
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,600
sheets

1964
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:02,239
under

1965
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:04,000
>> Oh that's where I saw it. Yeah.

1966
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,440
>> Yeah. Ryan, what's your department?

1967
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:07,920
1070.

1968
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:14,629
103.

1969
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:17,120
» We had a pretty robust discussion about

1970
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,639
this last year and I think we need to

1971
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:22,960
talk a little bit about it now. And I

1972
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,360
think Ryan and Jackie, you just now did

1973
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,040
a download me from the chalkfest. So,

1974
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,120
might be a good time to talk about that

1975
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,239
since that's one of the big

1976
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:38,709
expenditures.

1977
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:42,400
1050 350 Tom.

1978
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,719
>> There it is.

1979
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:46,560
>> There we go. Yeah, that's that was

1980
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,800
>> What pages?

1981
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,719
>> Page

1982
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:53,760
12 down in the bottom. It says page 12

1983
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,950
of 61.

1984
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,880
» Yeah. So, um, in my budget proposal, I

1985
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,120
requested the 25,000 for Zion Chalk and

1986
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,480
Earthfest. It's highlighted there

1987
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:08,639
because this was our first year having

1988
01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:10,560
it here at this site. The past three

1989
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,400
years, it had been down at Zion Canyon

1990
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,280
Village. So, we wanted to assess how it

1991
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,280
was received at this new location and

1992
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,159
then we were going to have a

1993
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:19,840
conversation. And so, we did that this

1994
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,040
morning right before our uh before this

1995
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:26,400
meeting. Um, I will say I I'll continue

1996
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,400
to bang the drum. It's actually 22,000.

1997
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,040
we do to get $3,000 from a sponsor

1998
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,280
that's included as revenue. It's just an

1999
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:37,040
accounting thing, I guess. But uh um so

2000
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:38,800
the intent as we haven't we haven't had

2001
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,719
a debrief with our planning committee

2002
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:44,639
yet, but from all we've heard and

2003
01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:45,840
discussed, this seems like a good

2004
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,679
location. We we plan on continuing to

2005
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:49,920
have it here as opposed to moving it

2006
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:54,320
back down to Zion Canyon Village. Um,

2007
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:58,239
and so yeah, that 25,000 represents

2008
01:30:58,239 --> 01:31:00,000
what we need to to keep the event going

2009
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,320
as is.

2010
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:03,840
>> I will agree with you. I thought it

2011
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,520
transferred well up here and I I enjoyed

2012
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,600
the the festival up here. I wasn't like

2013
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:15,120
in my head I had a difficult time seeing

2014
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,360
how it would

2015
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,000
easily move locations, but I thought you

2016
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,120
did a great job doing that part.

2017
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,920
Um, and having it up here, I like seeing

2018
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,880
things happen on the ball field. It's a

2019
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,880
good use of that space.

2020
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:31,920
>> Yeah. And that's something we were

2021
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:33,120
keenly aware of. We knew that there

2022
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:34,480
would be trade-offs. You know, there was

2023
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:36,320
some some built-in advantages to having

2024
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:37,920
it at the previous location. There were

2025
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,679
some other advantages to having it here.

2026
01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:41,920
We talked about that quite a bit and we

2027
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,800
felt like this really

2028
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:46,400
gives us the best chance of having an

2029
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,320
event that will be good for the

2030
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,239
community, good for residents, um be

2031
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:53,199
able to grow if needs be. Um gives us a

2032
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:54,800
lot more flexibility.

2033
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,480
>> You know, I thought it was great here

2034
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:00,239
and um I wonder it's my understanding

2035
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:03,199
that Nate has pulled out. Tell me more

2036
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:05,440
about that. What's what is Nate's

2037
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:06,239
concern?

2038
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:09,040
>> So Nate is not pulled out. Nate is

2039
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,120
actually he's doubled down. He he wants

2040
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:12,880
to be a part of this event. He has

2041
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,360
expressed that he would like to

2042
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,480
distribute some of the the um

2043
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:19,679
responsibilities of some of the other

2044
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:21,679
businesses in town. He does contribute a

2045
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:24,639
lot when with money with inind donations

2046
01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:27,760
with hotel rooms. Um but in our meeting

2047
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,560
today he was present and he he affirmed

2048
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,000
with us that yeah he wants to continue

2049
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,400
to see this event grow and he wants to

2050
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,800
be a part of it and wants to support it.

2051
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,600
Um, I don't think, and I think he would

2052
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,360
agree, I don't think having it down at

2053
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,360
his property is something he is

2054
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,280
willing to do at this point.

2055
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,600
>> You know, um, I heard from a lot of the

2056
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,080
artists that there were fewer people,

2057
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,320
but the people who came to this were

2058
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,000
here for the festival. They weren't just

2059
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,679
people who were going in and out of the

2060
01:32:57,679 --> 01:33:00,239
park. And I saw a lot more locals than I

2061
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:01,360
was seeing because I've been working

2062
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,719
that for years. Um, I like that aspect.

2063
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:07,360
I I think I said this last year. I

2064
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,280
personally, and I understand I'm one of

2065
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:10,960
five, but I personally don't know what

2066
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,920
it has to do with Earth Day. I wonder if

2067
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:17,840
we want to dislodge it from Earth Day

2068
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,719
and make it its own event and maybe

2069
01:33:20,719 --> 01:33:23,199
doing do something for Earth Day that's

2070
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:25,440
a little more Earth Day like like a

2071
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:27,920
community cleanup or something like that

2072
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,840
because I think the carbon footprint for

2073
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:34,320
this event is huge and I think it's kind

2074
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,320
of counter to calling it an Earth Day

2075
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,480
fest. That's again just my personal

2076
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,239
opinion. I I have a little bit of a

2077
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:42,159
problem with that. I think it's a great

2078
01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:44,080
event and I like events where we see

2079
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,320
locals and that one this year we did for

2080
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:51,679
sure. Um, but I wonder about that. And

2081
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:53,600
then we talked last year a lot about the

2082
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,920
Butch Cassidy race and whether it was

2083
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,840
worth all the work and money. And I

2084
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:03,760
think we decided last year that it is a signature event for the town. Doesn't

2085
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,520
bring in a lot of extra people staying

2086
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,440
in rooms, but it's a great event. And

2087
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,400
it's I mean has anybody changed their

2088
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:11,760
mind about that because that's another

2089
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,000
big expenditure.

2090
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:18,400
>> I I I don't think taking butch Cassidy

2091
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,199
funding away would go over very well. I

2092
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:25,520
think it's a tradition. Um

2093
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,880
but and as much as I like the chalk

2094
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,800
fest, I don't know if I like it $22,000.

2095
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,400
And and that's that's hard for me to say

2096
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:40,400
u because it's two days of coming up

2097
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,239
with my kids and we're looking at the

2098
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:45,280
art and we're going to the vendors and I

2099
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,239
think it's I like it personally. I like

2100
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:50,719
it. And then I see the cost associated

2101
01:34:50,719 --> 01:34:53,760
with it which that's just the that's

2102
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,639
just the dollar amount. That's not staff

2103
01:34:56,639 --> 01:34:59,840
time. That's not

2104
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,199
>> soft costs at all.

2105
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:09,360
And so I think last year we talked about it and

2106
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,159
it felt like tough for times and things

2107
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:14,800
needed to be cut and we saw this as

2108
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:19,840
being a fairly significant expense and I

2109
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,760
don't know I think this year yeah we

2110
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,560
just should touch back in and see like

2111
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,880
what other council members feel about

2112
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,920
the cost. Well, I think it'd be good to

2113
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,880
keep this as a placeholder for now um

2114
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,360
and then hear back from the committee. I

2115
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,120
thought it was a really conversation

2116
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:49,590
this morning.

2117
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:54,320
So, and then you know I I uh it it

2118
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,679
certainly is a popular event and you

2119
01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:00,159
know sometimes when you think of how the

2120
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:02,719
Cassidy run got started I mean this

2121
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:05,360
could be a signature event in the making

2122
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,400
for the town. I think everybody seems to

2123
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,360
really enjoy it. And you know, I I think

2124
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:13,600
it's good to remind ourselves that, you

2125
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,120
know, um you got to give it some time to

2126
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,920
grow when you move locations like that.

2127
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,920
And I really and I came into it late in

2128
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,159
the day on Sunday, but I really heard

2129
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:29,199
from a number of people on how much they

2130
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:31,440
like the location. They like the overall

2131
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:33,360
feel of it. It had actually a more

2132
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,760
relaxed

2133
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,960
enjoy the the art a little bit more and

2134
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:40,719
but there were some things that kind of

2135
01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:42,480
came out that I think's worthy of

2136
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:45,199
discussion on cost of the live music

2137
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:48,239
which is a lot um you know whether or

2138
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:50,159
not you know the beer garden is

2139
01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:51,840
warranted

2140
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,400
things that could be condensed more

2141
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,440
towards the gazebo area so I I think we

2142
01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:59,360
need to hear back from the committee

2143
01:36:59,360 --> 01:36:59,760
>> okay

2144
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,920
>> and and just see what they come up with

2145
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:03,600
>> and when you download do you download

2146
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,440
with the vendors too because I heard

2147
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:07,119
some of the booths felt like they didn't

2148
01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:09,040
get much visitation and that could be

2149
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,679
better on the lawn. We talked about that

2150
01:37:11,679 --> 01:37:14,400
a little bit. The the bands could be

2151
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,320
lower key. They don't have to be high

2152
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:17,600
cost bands and they could be at the

2153
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,199
gazebo. I mean, there are things we

2154
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:21,119
could do for sure.

2155
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:23,119
>> Yeah, I know. Uh we've got uh like our

2156
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:24,080
food trucks, like those types of

2157
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,480
vendors. Robin is in contact with them

2158
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:28,639
and and has a pretty good feel for how

2159
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,880
they did. Lisa and Julie have been

2160
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,080
working closely with our educational

2161
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,239
vendors. Okay. So, that's a resource. We

2162
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,320
don't have a a download or debrief with

2163
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:37,920
them necessarily, but we we meet with

2164
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:39,199
them and we gather their input and then

2165
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:41,440
we bring that to our our debrief with

2166
01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:42,480
our planning committee.

2167
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:45,280
>> So, maybe you take what comes back from

2168
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,920
the follow-ups and make some changes

2169
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,080
next year and take a look at that. Lisa,

2170
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:51,760
this is unusual. Is there anything you

2171
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,560
want to say?

2172
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,520
>> No, just

2173
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,520
>> Okay. And you're part of that download,

2174
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,320
right? Okay. So, that's great. Pat, did

2175
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,639
you I'm sorry. I might have cut you off.

2176
01:38:04,639 --> 01:38:06,639
>> No. Um,

2177
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:08,639
I was reminded many, many years ago that

2178
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:11,040
there's more to a town than water rates

2179
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,760
and police service and fire and roads.

2180
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,159
They're all important. Um, but something

2181
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,719
like this makes the town. And I realize

2182
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:21,040
there's a cost and it sounds like you

2183
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:22,880
guys are going to navigate how that gets

2184
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,199
handled. But I think if there's any

2185
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:26,880
discussion about eliminating it, I would

2186
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:29,760
be dead set against that.

2187
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,840
>> About eliminating it. Yeah.

2188
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,360
>> That are you talking about the race or

2189
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:33,679
the

2190
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:35,840
>> talking about the Cassidy or

2191
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:37,520
>> or the Chuck Fest? Okay. Yeah. We are an

2192
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,159
arts community, so the Chuck Fest is

2193
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:41,360
>> one of our few arts.

2194
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:43,760
>> Yeah. And maybe one way to lower the

2195
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:47,920
carbon impact would be to try to make it

2196
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:49,520
more

2197
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,920
local artist, even if they aren't like

2198
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,760
the best. Um, I mean, I think the good

2199
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,239
ones are really great to see, but maybe

2200
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:00,719
if they were more local, then we

2201
01:39:00,719 --> 01:39:03,760
wouldn't be buying airplane tickets or

2202
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,119
however that works.

2203
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:06,719
>> Well, hotel rooms. I guess it's more

2204
01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:07,920
hotel rooms.

2205
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,639
>> Well, it's airline tickets, too.

2206
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:11,360
>> So,

2207
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:12,800
>> well, we don't we don't buy those,

2208
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:14,719
right? But I mean, people are flying in.

2209
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:15,840
And are they coming?

2210
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:17,920
>> We do buy those. That's part of our

2211
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:18,719
Yeah.

2212
01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:21,600
>> So, are they coming for a Cayanta too or

2213
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,840
are these different people? Are they

2214
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:25,440
It's only a week apart.

2215
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:26,719
>> I don't believe there. I don't know,

2216
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:28,480
Lisa, if there was any crossover with K.

2217
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:48,070
I don't think so.

2218
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:54,310
International

2219
01:39:54,320 --> 01:40:07,189
really make sure

2220
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:23,030
she's trying to

2221
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,280
times it's like, "Oh, we had to come.

2222
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:28,000
Cool."

2223
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,159
So we can pay for it and we want to do

2224
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:36,070
this. So they're not making

2225
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,400
» No, I just wondered if we were saving

2226
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,000
money by being a week away from them,

2227
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,440
but it's a whole different group. So

2228
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:42,880
you're saying no, we're not.

2229
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,800
>> Absolutely. And there are people who

2230
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:48,000
like go there and come here, but very

2231
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,320
few people come from We had a lot of

2232
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,080
people.

2233
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,360
>> I talked to a lot.

2234
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,159
>> Yeah. So, no. And the artists are often

2235
01:40:58,159 --> 01:40:59,520
times different.

2236
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,600
>> One little boy told me he was not from

2237
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,480
this country. He's from St. George, from

2238
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:09,520
that country, which is five hours away.

2239
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:10,159
>> That's true.

2240
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:11,840
>> The one thing that I liked hearing this

2241
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,520
morning is, you know, part of the this

2242
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:14,960
question has been, well, what other

2243
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,600
businesses are contributing? And Ryan, I

2244
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,679
thought I heard you say in addition to

2245
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:24,080
Cable Mountain, there were 34 rooms room

2246
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,880
>> 34 35 nights. Yeah. From other hotels

2247
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:27,840
throughout town.

2248
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,199
>> Even Stu's Steve's cab Stew's cabins had

2249
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:32,560
some people in them.

2250
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:33,040
>> Yeah.

2251
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:34,239
>> Talked to a couple artists who were

2252
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:35,760
staying there. I think it's a great

2253
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,520
event and I think it does support our

2254
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,639
being an art community and just if

2255
01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:43,360
there's a committee working on what I

2256
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:46,239
and I liked the location a lot. So,

2257
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:48,719
>> oh, and then I just uh the mention of

2258
01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:50,800
Greater Zion this morning as far as

2259
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,119
marketing, you know, part of that

2260
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:55,040
committee discussion is talking about

2261
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:57,520
what are the limiting factors to getting

2262
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,000
people up here and parking is always an

2263
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,600
issue, but um also how it's marketed.

2264
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,360
And I think if there's any way to tap

2265
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:08,080
into the Greater Zion Group for them to

2266
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,159
help with marketing, then that'd be a

2267
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:12,560
good thing.

2268
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,239
And I will and I I mentioned this this

2269
01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:15,679
morning in our other meeting, but you

2270
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:18,560
know, no, every year there it changes,

2271
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:19,920
right? It's not the same event year

2272
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,360
after year. We're always looking at how

2273
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:22,639
to be more efficient with our money,

2274
01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:24,719
stretch it further. So, we'll do the

2275
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:26,960
same thing. I'm sure we each one of us

2276
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:28,800
has a laundry list of things that we

2277
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,560
want to see change or make some tweaks

2278
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,159
and we'll continue to do that.

2279
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:34,560
>> And just one last comment is the

2280
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,840
recognition of the huge workload this. I

2281
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:38,239
was

2282
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:40,320
>> absolutely that's that's one of

2283
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,719
>> you and it and you guys ran it like

2284
01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:44,560
clockwork. It was great. It was well

2285
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,760
done and

2286
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,440
>> you know right down to people helping

2287
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:48,960
with parking

2288
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:50,719
>> covered all the bases.

2289
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:54,320
>> It's not a a it's not a quantifiable

2290
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,000
well maybe it is if somebody was really

2291
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,880
good at tracking but the amount that

2292
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,760
staff does take on to to do an event

2293
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:06,080
like this and Butch Cassidy is a lot. Um

2294
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,639
so it for it turning out like it does

2295
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:10,400
and being wellrun. I think that's really

2296
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:15,840
great. Um, and I will agree with the sentiments that when you're

2297
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,400
building an event,

2298
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:22,480
um, you do have to be consistent in

2299
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:25,840
order to grow. Um, I wonder what Butch

2300
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,600
Cassidy was way back in the beginning.

2301
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,760
Maybe it was um to was slow to grow, but

2302
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,840
things do tend to catch on and become

2303
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,159
things that people look forward to and

2304
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:38,719
they've once and maybe they'll come. So,

2305
01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:41,920
I I have been the one person who has

2306
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:43,280
said I'm not sure it's worth the price

2307
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:46,880
tag, but I will say I personally do like

2308
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,520
the event and I think it's well done.

2309
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:51,040
Um,

2310
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:52,800
let's just see how we can make it maybe

2311
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,760
more earthwise and

2312
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:56,560
>> well and then

2313
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,600
>> cost efficient. just real quick recog

2314
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,920
what we have let go, you know, as far as

2315
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,920
like fireworks and things like that that

2316
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,080
had a big dollar

2317
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,239
uh attached to it. So, there's

2318
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:10,000
definitely been some savings there for

2319
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,440
the town

2320
01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:14,080
>> and and maybe this makes more sense to

2321
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:17,280
put money towards this.

2322
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,119
>> Are there other events there that anyone

2323
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:19,840
wants to

2324
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,719
>> uh Yeah, 10,000 for New York New Year's

2325
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:26,400
Eve. That's kind of a lot.

2326
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,960
>> Yeah. So that uh that that's largely

2327
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,199
based off of what we spent last year. Um

2328
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:32,880
so there's a lot of costs associated

2329
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,159
with that event. We got the live

2330
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:36,960
entertainment. Uh we've got food which

2331
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,520
you know that was also there's quite a

2332
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,639
bit of food. Um so that is something

2333
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:44,960
that was mostly a carryover from last

2334
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:46,080
year. I think we increased it just a

2335
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:50,000
little bit to account for more food. Um

2336
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,520
but yeah, we plan on doing something

2337
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,800
similar. It's New Year's Eve.

2338
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,159
was I I didn't make it last year. It was

2339
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:00,639
a magician, right? The year before there

2340
01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:04,000
was a magician. Um, were there a lot of

2341
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:04,880
locals?

2342
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,280
>> Yeah, feels like there were a lot of

2343
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:07,920
locals.

2344
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:08,480
>> Okay.

2345
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:10,560
>> Especially compared to other years,

2346
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:11,840
>> like there were more there was a

2347
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,920
stronger local presence.

2348
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,159
>> Yeah, it was really well attended. I

2349
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:19,679
mean, the the tables were full. Um,

2350
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:22,560
everybody seemed to be engaged and

2351
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,719
enjoying themselves. So

2352
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:33,990
>> I did not feel like

2353
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,080
you know it's it's kind of that thing is

2354
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,880
I don't know it's hard to on some of

2355
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,760
these events um

2356
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,960
to gauge how many

2357
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,040
but I think what I liked seeing there

2358
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,199
was you saw a lot of families there with

2359
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:50,800
kids

2360
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,920
>> and so I think If we have the

2361
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:55,520
opportunity to provide that kind of

2362
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,480
venue for families, then you know, we

2363
01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:01,679
should do it.

2364
01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:03,520
>> Yeah. And again, you know, 10,000

2365
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,040
compared to what we used to spend

2366
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:06,560
fireworks.

2367
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,360
I don't think that's excessive. So,

2368
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:10,800
>> okay. Red.

2369
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,280
>> Can I hop in for just a second? Just so

2370
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:15,119
you're aware, the the money that's in

2371
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:17,760
here for Butch Cassidy is offset by a

2372
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,560
revenue number because we do charge for

2373
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,600
Butch Cassidy. So we it really pays for

2374
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:24,480
itself.

2375
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:26,880
>> Well, and then you make a donation.

2376
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,040
Yeah, it gives money to Grafton and to

2377
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,800
this usually it

2378
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,719
>> so spread the love.

2379
01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:39,440
>> It is a lot of work for staff, but you

2380
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:43,920
all kind of have it dialed in and Okay.

2381
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:46,880
What What else, Tom, have we not

2382
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:48,719
covered that you really want to get some

2383
01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:51,679
input on? Um, this is great feedback.

2384
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:53,360
Like like we talked about at the at the

2385
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,560
outset, um, as a staff, we worked hard

2386
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:58,480
to bring you a budget that is

2387
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:01,040
conservative and balances. We just

2388
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,679
wanted to get your feedback, your input

2389
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:05,360
to make sure that we're spending the

2390
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:06,719
money in the right directions, that

2391
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:08,320
we're hitting the top priorities, that

2392
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:09,920
we're accomplishing the the priorities

2393
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,480
that we need to. And so I I think you've

2394
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:15,280
given us really valuable feedback. Um if

2395
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:16,880
there's anything additional that you

2396
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:21,119
wanted to to let us know

2397
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:24,400
>> I do have one one question. um the

2398
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,719
medical project, medical clinic project

2399
01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:29,119
is that does that I realize sounds like

2400
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:31,360
it's design and documents. Does it

2401
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:34,800
include any kind of um

2402
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,040
research? What the modality of the

2403
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:39,280
clinic might be?

2404
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:40,719
How many days a week it's going to be

2405
01:47:40,719 --> 01:47:44,159
open? What who the who it's going to

2406
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:45,920
service? Is it just a design thing?

2407
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:52,390
>> It's just design.

2408
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:56,080
» Yeah. Um, so absolutely if that's the

2409
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,239
direction from the council, we can do

2410
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,159
that. That's outside the scope of that

2411
01:48:00,159 --> 01:48:04,480
project. Um, but I think what what the

2412
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:07,679
gist of of where you're going, Pat, is

2413
01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:09,760
do we need to take a step back and

2414
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:11,840
actually before we jump into a design to

2415
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:12,960
make sure that we're designing for

2416
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:15,199
something that is actually the right fit

2417
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:17,440
for the is that where you going with

2418
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:17,920
that?

2419
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:19,520
>> I wouldn't I wouldn't say slow slow it

2420
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,199
down. I mean, it's got some pretty good

2421
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:22,719
momentum now.

2422
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:24,719
But perhaps look at you know right now

2423
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:26,880
it's I think two days a week or whatever

2424
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:27,199
the

2425
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:28,000
>> it's four

2426
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,800
>> four days a week now you know since it's

2427
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:37,520
our land and it will be our building do we want to to designate what kind of

2428
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:41,360
service that clinic needs to deliver

2429
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,040
>> where we stand with that since our last

2430
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:46,159
meeting where we talked about it um Rick

2431
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:48,560
and Tom you were there I think and I met

2432
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,320
with Lori Wright the CEO of family

2433
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,000
healthcare just to get a feel for their

2434
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,800
commitment, what they felt they could

2435
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:57,280
pay for rent, what that kind of thing.

2436
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,360
And I believe, and I was, this was my

2437
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,520
question, too. I believe where that

2438
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:03,360
stands now is that the architect is

2439
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,239
downsizing the building. Lori had

2440
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:08,880
conversations. Number one, Family

2441
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,040
Healthcare feels committed to stay here.

2442
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:12,880
They would like to run that

2443
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,239
>> building. They are committed to

2444
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:16,480
>> You have that. That's good.

2445
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:18,000
>> Yeah. Well, we'd have to get into the

2446
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:22,480
details because what we owe her then is

2447
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:25,360
once the building is rightsized,

2448
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,440
what's the cost and therefore what's the

2449
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:30,639
rent likely be? So, she can't make any

2450
01:49:30,639 --> 01:49:31,760
commitments about

2451
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:32,560
>> of course not right

2452
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,040
>> until we know that. So, but they are

2453
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:36,719
definitely interested in staying in the

2454
01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:39,199
community. We gave her every opportunity

2455
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,840
to say it's not working out for us.

2456
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:44,400
We did not ask the about their

2457
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:46,239
willingness to stay in the existing

2458
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:49,040
building if we were to not build a new

2459
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,119
building, but I can tell you it's not

2460
01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:54,800
working out. I I went in last week and

2461
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,920
they had to have me come back because I

2462
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,000
can't use the X-ray machine when anybody

2463
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,440
else is in the building. I had to have

2464
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:03,440
my hand x-rayed. So, it's got

2465
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:05,440
limitations that make it prohibitive in

2466
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:07,199
the long run. I don't I don't think we

2467
01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:08,719
ought to ask them to stay there, but we

2468
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:11,920
do. So Tom, do you know are we waiting

2469
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:15,280
on that architectural

2470
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,320
drive uh plan or where are we with that?

2471
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:22,639
>> So this is um you know full full

2472
01:50:22,639 --> 01:50:24,080
accountability. This is something that

2473
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,960
in the in this managerial transition has

2474
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:34,000
been a little bit dropped. So that's on me to get back with VCBO and

2475
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:37,119
restart th those uh those conversations.

2476
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:39,600
I don't know. Um, after that meeting

2477
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:41,920
with Lori and the feedback that's been

2478
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:45,840
given back to VCBO, if they've done a a

2479
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,840
reduced design, if they're still waiting

2480
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:49,360
on us, that's on me to get back in touch

2481
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:49,679
with them.

2482
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:51,920
>> Yeah, that's because I thought we gave I

2483
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,920
thought we Lori and us gave them

2484
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:55,600
directions on what could be eliminated

2485
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:56,800
and that they were going to come back

2486
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,239
with something, but you haven't seen

2487
01:50:58,239 --> 01:50:59,920
anything. So, maybe they're waiting for

2488
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:00,639
us. So

2489
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:01,920
>> yeah, I'll I'll circle back with

2490
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:03,840
>> Yeah, that'd be good because because we

2491
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:08,560
talked about if if even if the medical

2492
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,639
clinic is a go, but especially if it's

2493
01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:13,040
not, then we need to talk about a

2494
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:16,239
council chambers of some sorts. Um I

2495
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:18,080
think we need to move forward with that

2496
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,800
property. So

2497
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:25,280
>> I think you know and and so as this

2498
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,440
progresses though, what is the best way

2499
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:30,159
to keep the council informed? And I

2500
01:51:30,159 --> 01:51:31,600
guess I'm kind of wondering, is this

2501
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:34,800
something that that if if any one of us

2502
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:36,960
had a question at the community

2503
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,199
development open houses, is that

2504
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:42,239
something you guys are prepared to

2505
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:44,080
uh at least give updates on where we're

2506
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:45,679
at with that?

2507
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:47,440
>> Um,

2508
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:51,040
>> maybe not. Maybe not yet.

2509
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:54,639
>> Yeah. So, I mean, you are any council

2510
01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:57,440
member is is always welcome to come and

2511
01:51:57,440 --> 01:52:00,239
approach me. And like we said, at this

2512
01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:01,280
point, I don't have too much of an

2513
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,440
update to give you, but once I do, I

2514
01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:05,280
will I I'll be happy to give you an

2515
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:07,440
update. Um, we can have like a for the

2516
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:10,320
next little bit, we can just have like a

2517
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,800
standing item on your council agenda for

2518
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:17,360
an update on the medical clinic. um we can do any number of things to make

2519
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:18,800
sure that you're getting information you

2520
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:20,320
need to be updated,

2521
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:22,239
>> but it's like everything else. I mean,

2522
01:52:22,239 --> 01:52:24,320
you're you're assigned to certain things

2523
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,400
and other people are assigned to certain

2524
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:29,360
things. And so where we ought to be

2525
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,520
covering any status changes is in our

2526
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:33,440
council report.

2527
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:35,920
>> So I think you're welcome to ask them

2528
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:37,520
questions. You're welcome to ask and

2529
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:38,960
Randy and I questions. were on the

2530
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,599
committee, but also it's on us to make

2531
01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:43,520
sure if there's any significant progress

2532
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,679
that we report that out and there are

2533
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:47,840
things we can talk to just between us

2534
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,639
and things we talk to.

2535
01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:53,679
So, so probably the manager report would

2536
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:55,520
be where we put the more confidential

2537
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:56,639
information.

2538
01:52:56,639 --> 01:52:57,840
>> Sure, we can do that.

2539
01:52:57,840 --> 01:52:59,440
>> But yeah, I mean it's

2540
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:01,360
>> Yeah, I think you know and it's it's

2541
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:04,239
stating the obvious. It's for any one of

2542
01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:07,599
us when we get hit up with a question by

2543
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:09,840
a res

2544
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:14,470
hopefully

2545
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:16,080
» and and there's nothing wrong with

2546
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,159
saying that's not my project. You should

2547
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:20,159
talk to Randy about that or you should

2548
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:23,280
talk to Pat about that. I mean that's

2549
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,440
better not to say anything than to

2550
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:28,239
>> to say the wrong thing. But I but I

2551
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:30,719
think it's it's on those of us on those

2552
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:32,320
committees to keep the others informed

2553
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:34,000
because

2554
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,159
you don't want surprises.

2555
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:42,470
So

2556
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:45,440
» I'm looking for it. I did I see any kind

2557
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,920
of a dollar entry for the art review

2558
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:49,679
board?

2559
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:51,840
>> Um

2560
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:54,960
there is a there is a well n I think

2561
01:53:54,960 --> 01:54:00,560
>> I saw something. God and Nyall's gonna

2562
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,880
>> I'm gonna give you the update on that.

2563
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:04,880
>> Okay.

2564
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:08,880
>> Yes. So, in in the May meeting, we you

2565
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:10,480
will be looking at how to spend your

2566
01:54:10,480 --> 01:54:12,960
wrap tax. We we'll be reviewing wrap tax

2567
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:14,800
applications and other use of the wrap

2568
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,560
tax. And one of the one of the um

2569
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,800
anticipated uses of that wrap tax is a

2570
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,599
line item for public art that would then

2571
01:54:23,599 --> 01:54:26,080
go into the art review board and um

2572
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:28,000
allow them to have a little bit build up

2573
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,400
a little bit of a a fund that they could

2574
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,000
start commissioning some public art. So

2575
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,960
that will be coming in the May meeting

2576
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:37,119
when you look at rap tax applications

2577
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:38,480
and use of rap tax.

2578
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:40,960
>> And I'm not sure if Rick filled you in

2579
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:43,199
on the conversation I had with him. It

2580
01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:47,040
was my understanding that about $11,000

2581
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:50,320
was going to be uh put towards the art

2582
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,400
review committee which was the balance

2583
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:57,119
of the wrap tax money available.

2584
01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,280
Yeah. And as a council you can spend

2585
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,000
that money however you want and I have

2586
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:06,320
not we the the um

2587
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,639
uh application period for wrap tax

2588
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:11,440
applications I believe now has closed. I

2589
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:15,119
haven't reviewed those to see how much

2590
01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:17,760
we have requested in wrap tax funding.

2591
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:20,239
Um but yeah, it's it then it will just

2592
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:21,760
be dependent on how how many of those

2593
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,880
projects you want to fund, how many of

2594
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,599
Ryan's projects you want to fund or not

2595
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:29,760
fund

2596
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:31,840
>> and then what the balance is and and

2597
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:32,960
then what you want to do with the

2598
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:34,159
balance if you want to send that to

2599
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:36,639
>> public the balance from last.

2600
01:55:36,639 --> 01:55:39,040
>> Right. So,

2601
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:42,400
um, so is he saying there's $11,000 in

2602
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:43,760
this year's budget that can go to the

2603
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:47,119
RVU board or in the that's what he

2604
01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:48,480
anticipates is going to be in the fiscal

2605
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:52,719
year 2627 budget?

2606
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:55,199
>> I don't know. I just because part of our

2607
01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:58,480
meeting discussion is and recognizing we

2608
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:01,679
need to get the plan finalized, but the

2609
01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:03,280
committee, the review board would like

2610
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:05,440
to be in a position that if there's an

2611
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:08,159
opportunity to purchase a public, we've

2612
01:56:08,159 --> 01:56:09,920
got something sitting there to move

2613
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:11,040
forward with.

2614
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:12,960
>> Right. Exactly. And that's the intention

2615
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:16,080
is to use wrap tax for that. And I I

2616
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:17,199
believe that it is, you know, we were

2617
01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:19,599
thinking 10 $11,000 was the anticipated

2618
01:56:19,599 --> 01:56:20,480
amount.

2619
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:23,360
>> Okay. Yep.

2620
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:24,800
>> I thought that was just to pay all

2621
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:26,080
Tucker.

2622
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,800
>> It may be. You know, it's hard to say.

2623
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:32,239
He hasn't given us an invoice yet.

2624
01:56:32,239 --> 01:56:37,270
>> I thought I saw 10,000 in there, too.

2625
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:40,320
» Um, something reminded me.

2626
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:43,920
We received an email about um pickle

2627
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:45,599
ball

2628
01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:46,239
>> partition

2629
01:56:46,239 --> 01:56:47,119
>> windshield

2630
01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:50,960
>> wind screens. I could not find that line

2631
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:55,040
item in the the budget sheets.

2632
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:56,800
I wondered if it made it in

2633
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:58,960
>> it's a 107260

2634
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:02,629
Tom.

2635
01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:05,679
» Yeah, it's in uh so it's it's

2636
01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:07,119
highlighted differently because it was

2637
01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:10,000
going to be a wrap tax, but it's in our

2638
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,320
buildings and grounds

2639
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:14,480
budget for parks department.

2640
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:16,960
>> Okay. How much is it?

2641
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,760
>> Uh I've asked 14,500.

2642
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:20,719
based off a quote we

2643
01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:21,760
>> lightened up there.

2644
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,360
>> It's kind of hard to read in that font

2645
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:24,239
color, but

2646
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:26,800
>> and it's going to be like a 360 like

2647
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,560
enclosure.

2648
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's

2649
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,840
>> you can't see through it. Like it's

2650
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:32,560
opaque.

2651
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:36,400
>> It's a It's a semi They have them around

2652
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,400
at other uh pickle ball facilities. It's

2653
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:41,520
a semi-trans. I mean, kind of see

2654
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,199
through it. It's It's mostly there to

2655
01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:45,280
block the wind obviously, but yeah, it

2656
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:46,719
would encompass the entire perimeter of

2657
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:48,320
the of the

2658
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:51,440
>> like a plastic. Is that ugly?

2659
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:53,679
>> No, I mean I don't think it's ugly.

2660
01:57:53,679 --> 01:57:54,639
>> Like a net.

2661
01:57:54,639 --> 01:57:56,480
>> It's kind of Yeah, it's almost like a

2662
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:57,920
>> shade

2663
01:57:57,920 --> 01:57:59,920
>> kind kind of more of like a It's a

2664
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:02,639
fabric that is Yeah, kind of like that.

2665
01:58:02,639 --> 01:58:04,080
And the ones I've seen are usually

2666
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,000
green, which is what I would prefer to

2667
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:06,320
see.

2668
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:08,320
>> And what's the status of that?

2669
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:10,560
>> Just waiting for it to be approved. And

2670
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:12,159
then once it is, we'll get started next

2671
01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:13,199
fiscal year.

2672
01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:16,239
>> Personally, I think

2673
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:18,239
>> pickle ballers.

2674
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:19,440
>> That's just my wall.

2675
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:22,080
>> But see, then I think no, there

2676
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,960
shouldn't be a wall because that area is

2677
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:28,480
very open, natural, and what's it going

2678
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:31,920
to look like when this stuff goes up?

2679
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:33,360
And that's what I didn't know what it

2680
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:36,880
really looks like. And

2681
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:39,679
>> it's kind of like a canvas material.

2682
01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:40,239
Yeah.

2683
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:41,840
>> And it doesn't go to the top of the

2684
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:42,639
fence. It's

2685
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:44,800
>> Is it going to encourage people to run

2686
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,199
their animals in there because now it's

2687
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:49,280
kind of fenced.

2688
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:53,040
>> I don't know. I have hesitations

2689
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,040
and I didn't know what the rest of the

2690
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:56,159
council was feeling.

2691
01:58:56,159 --> 01:58:58,320
>> We I I've seen them and they're they're

2692
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:00,800
pretty unobtrusive. I mean, you can see

2693
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:02,159
through them. They're green. The ones

2694
01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:05,840
I've seen you can see.

2695
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,880
>> You can see through them. Okay. It's

2696
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:12,719
like a really fine fine mesh.

2697
01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:14,320
>> Could you send us a photo?

2698
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:28,550
>> Sure.

2699
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:34,149
» Anything else?

2700
01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:37,280
» Um yeah, so just two things. one is so

2701
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,040
the next step in the budget process then

2702
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:41,520
is to have your tentative budget hearing

2703
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:44,400
in your May meeting. Also at that time

2704
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:45,760
like we talked about already you'll be

2705
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:50,080
talking about um use of the wrap tax. Um

2706
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:52,800
and then in the June meeting you will

2707
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:57,040
have your um final budget hearing and

2708
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:59,280
adopt the final budget for this year. So

2709
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,920
that's what's up next for the council.

2710
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:08,480
Um the other thing is just um a a super huge thank you to um all the other

2711
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:10,719
department heads and particularly to to

2712
02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:16,639
Dawn um for just the really professional

2713
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:18,480
work that has been done on the budget

2714
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:20,880
preparing it for the council this year.

2715
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:25,040
Um it's been great to to work as a as as

2716
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:27,280
a team and present you this budget and

2717
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:28,480
particularly for me as a new town

2718
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:30,960
manager has been fantastic. So, thank

2719
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:32,719
you to all the department heads. Thank

2720
02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:36,400
you to Don for your expertise. Um, Mary,

2721
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:38,880
you mentioned that you said, "Hey, we

2722
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,840
really uh I forgot the word you used.

2723
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:43,840
Good job on your revenue projections."

2724
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:45,840
That's actually all done. Um, so good

2725
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,679
job, Don, on those revenue projections.

2726
02:00:47,679 --> 02:00:49,840
Um, and we're happy to bring this budget

2727
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:51,840
back to you for the tenative budget.

2728
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:53,520
>> Well, what what I really appreciated was

2729
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:55,119
the the explanation whether I don't know

2730
02:00:55,119 --> 02:00:57,679
who crafted the very beginning the staff

2731
02:00:57,679 --> 02:00:59,679
report. I thought it was very well done.

2732
02:00:59,679 --> 02:01:03,920
I was able to for me anyway much

2733
02:01:03,920 --> 02:01:05,440
>> I was going to kind of say the same

2734
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:08,000
thing, Tom. I um thought that the staff

2735
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:11,440
report made me feel

2736
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:14,560
very focused and confident confident

2737
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:15,920
about the discussion we were going to

2738
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:20,800
have as opposed to um going through all

2739
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:26,000
61 sheets saying like where

2740
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:28,000
you know what's going on. I mean, I did

2741
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,320
still skim through all of the things to

2742
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:32,159
look for things that stood out to me or

2743
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:34,320
things that I wanted to follow up on,

2744
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:37,040
but I thought your staff report um was

2745
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:39,599
very nice. So, thank you. Good job for

2746
02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:41,599
your first one, especially.

2747
02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:43,280
>> Well, thank you very much. I appreciate

2748
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:44,880
the feedback, but again, it really was a

2749
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:46,320
team effort and and Don was a huge

2750
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:47,679
collaborator on the staff report as

2751
02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:48,480
well. So,

2752
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:50,719
>> well, you did well first one and you did

2753
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:52,880
great. Um, I wanted to say for those of

2754
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:55,440
you who missed it, which is all of you,

2755
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:58,400
um, Monday was Navy Day at Zia National

2756
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:03,199
Park and they had a bunch of sailors

2757
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:05,280
around town and in the park and they had

2758
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:07,440
a flag raising ceremony and a flag

2759
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:10,239
lowering ceremony. They had sailors from

2760
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:12,960
the USS Utah, which is in New London,

2761
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:14,639
Connecticut, and will be commissioned

2762
02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:16,960
soon. I should have brought the pin they

2763
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:19,840
gave me. And uh they had a concert at

2764
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:22,400
the OC10 amphitheater. The band was

2765
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:26,320
fantastic and they had me read our

2766
02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:29,040
proclamation at the beginning and the

2767
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,280
admiral was up there with me. I can send

2768
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:33,520
you a picture if you'd like. And it was

2769
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:36,400
just a really cool event. So um they

2770
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:39,119
appreciated the res the proclamation

2771
02:02:39,119 --> 02:02:41,119
and I don't know if anyone made it to

2772
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:44,159
the concert last night. I was I was not

2773
02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:45,119
around but I

2774
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:47,119
>> I went to the concert the day before on

2775
02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:48,080
Monday. That was good.

2776
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:50,159
>> Oh, you were there at Okay, I'm sorry I

2777
02:02:50,159 --> 02:02:52,480
missed you. I I We came in at the end as

2778
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:52,960
you saw.

2779
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:54,560
>> You guys were in the lower right and we

2780
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:55,520
>> Yeah. Okay.

2781
02:02:55,520 --> 02:02:56,960
>> Were there a lot of people there?

2782
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:58,320
>> Um

2783
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:00,719
>> third third full

2784
02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:01,520
>> more than that.

2785
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:02,400
>> Could have been.

2786
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,480
>> Yeah, quite a few. But not a lot of

2787
02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:05,679
locals.

2788
02:03:05,679 --> 02:03:07,599
>> But the band was great. They were funny

2789
02:03:07,599 --> 02:03:08,000
and

2790
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:08,480
>> yeah,

2791
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,480
>> proclamation was great. It was it was a

2792
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:11,119
good event.

2793
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:14,239
>> Yeah, it was. I saw a Facebook post last

2794
02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:17,520
night from somebody who was at the

2795
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:20,400
concert.

2796
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:21,920
They said they were the only local

2797
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:22,880
there.

2798
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:25,360
>> I saw that, too.

2799
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:27,360
>> And and another local made a comment

2800
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:30,080
that the town sucks at informing people

2801
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,480
about things.

2802
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:35,040
>> And somebody responded to that and said

2803
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:38,480
it was posted multiple places. And yeah,

2804
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,760
it's that was unfortunate that thought

2805
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:43,840
we didn't do but it wasn't our event it

2806
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:48,560
was a Z national park event too so

2807
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:51,280
>> so may one thing and not on topic at all

2808
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:53,119
the the rules of order and protocol is

2809
02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:54,960
that something we'll see in the next few

2810
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:58,080
months to

2811
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:01,199
>> yeah so we're based on the um uh

2812
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:03,199
feedback that the council gave in your

2813
02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:05,199
meeting from a couple weeks ago working

2814
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:07,199
on on revising those and we'll bring

2815
02:04:07,199 --> 02:04:09,440
those back to you and your hopefully

2816
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:12,080
your your May meeting but not making any

2817
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:12,880
promises

2818
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:13,520
>> arising somewhere

2819
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:15,040
>> but it'll be in yeah some sometime in

2820
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:18,550
the next few meetings

2821
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:22,639
» a motion to adjourn move we adjourn

2822
02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:24,400
>> motion by Kyla second by Randy

2823
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:25,679
>> Kyla I

2824
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:30,550
>> Barbara I

2825
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:33,880
» sorry bud