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It's 5 o'clock

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and we are at the Canyon Community

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Center for the May 6 meeting of the

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Springdale Planning Commission. From the

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town we have Nile Connelly,

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Tom Dancy, Kendall Sagers, and April

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Radits. On the dis we have Matt Frink,

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Zion National Park representative, Rich

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Swanson, Terry Krushki, myself, Jennifer

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McCulla, Paul Zimmerman, Kosh Bati, and

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Melissa Labour,

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and Melissa will be voting in tonight's

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proceedings.

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Is there a motion to approve tonight's

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agenda?

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» Second.

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Motion by Melissa, second by Terry. All

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in favor?

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» Rich I.

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>> Terry I.

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>> Jennifer I.

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>> Paul I.

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>> Hash I.

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>> Melissa I.

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>> Motion passes.

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Does the town have any general

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announcements?

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>> We do. Uh we have a we have several

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announcements. I will start and then I

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think there are some other folks that

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want to make some announcements. Uh my

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announcement is an exciting one. Um and

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that is that after a long recruitment

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process and um with many qualified

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applicants to select from, we have

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filled the vacant town clerk position.

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And I'm happy to report that Kendall

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Sagers has u has has been selected um to

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be the new town clerk. So

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congratulations to Kendall.

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>> Congratulations.

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Um, so, uh, Kendall and April are going

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to make a fantastic team in the clerk's

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department. Um, what that does mean,

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however, is that the community

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development department has pretty much

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been depleted.

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Um, and, uh, so, so Nile is kind of a

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um,

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>> lone ranger,

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>> a lone ranger. Um, so, so that's that's

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my exciting news. And I think Nile has

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some follow-up news.

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based on that.

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>> Sure. So, just just following on from

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that, just to give you an update on some

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of the projects that have been um the

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planning commission have been working

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on. Um so, in particular, the uh Virgin

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River Management Plan implementation

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project and the storm water management

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permit project. Um I think those are the

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two we wanted to talk about. Um

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there's still high priorities because of

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staffing levels. We may need to pause

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those for a little bit um and and get

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back to those when we're uh a little bit

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better staffed. So I just wanted to let

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you know that um we haven't forgot about

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those projects, but we will need to

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pause them and pick them up a little bit

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later.

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Um and in addition to that um we were

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uh yeah we wanted to suggest to the

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planning commission to consider whether

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um whether it would be possible or if

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whether you'd be open to uh cancelling

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the June work meeting uh just with the

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same view of um

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kind of helping

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our limited staff to um kind of keep up

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with the workload. Um cancelling that

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meeting may be helpful step. Um so

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that's maybe something for you to

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discuss and consider whether that would

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be something you'd like to do.

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June work. So the yeah the June work

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meeting

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would be on June the 3. So, we propose

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that we'd still have the regular meeting

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on June 17.

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so that's just something for you to

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ponder on.

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Are there any other announcements?

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Does anyone have any conflicts of

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interest that they would like to

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disclose?

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For tonight's agenda, we have one action

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item which includes a public hearing and

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two non-action items.

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The first item in action item is a

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public hearing design development

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review. Mr. Hans Denzinger requests

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approval to create an additional parking

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lot on his property, the Driftwood

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Lodge, 1515 Zion Park Boulevard. The

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staff contact is Nyall Connelly. We will

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be following public meeting rules of

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order and procedure. Please be sure to

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have signed in if you have an intent to

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speak. And please keep in mind that each

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public comment is limited to three

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minutes. Um Nile will introduce.

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>> So this is a design development review

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application. The applicant is Mr. Hans

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Dunzinger. Um on the property is the

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Driftwood Lodge which is 1515 Zion Park

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Boulevard. The application is for 10

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parking spaces. Um those spaces are

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proposed to be next to Mr. Dunzinger's

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new building which is nearing

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completion. Um and the parking spaces

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will serve his uh hotel customers. Um,

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so the submitted plans give some details

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on the design of the new parking spaces

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and the staff report sets out how they

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comply with the relevant code

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requirements. Um, we also have uh Mr.

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Tony Brooksby who's the contractor on

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behalf of uh on behalf of the property

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owner here who um is here and able to

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answer any questions and and I'd be

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happy to answer questions too.

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applicant from the planning commission.

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to confirm um in March of 2025, we

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approved a uh a hazard permit request

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for this project. Um with the addition

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of the parking lot, I'm assuming there's

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no needed need to update the um erosion

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hazard assessment. Is that true?

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hazard mitigation that's been put in is

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on the river side of of this parking

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lot. So, uh it it doesn't affect that.

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>> Move to open a public hearing. Second.

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>> Motion by Terry. Second by Paul. All in

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which it looks like there's no public to

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comment. Is there a motion to close

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>> Move we close public hearing.

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um is there any response from the

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and we can move into planning commission

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deliberation.

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Overall, this seems pretty simple,

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straightforward. Um, and I did, like I

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concrete color must be the town's

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approved color or a pre-approved equal

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alternative. And then also mentioning

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the recommendation to select other

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cotton Easter I guess it's called.

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lighting fixtures appear to be

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compliant, but there was not any

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technical specification that came with

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a condition that the compliance must be

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commission to approve the design

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development review application for the

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10 new parking spaces at the Driftwood

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so the planning commission approves the

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design development review application

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for 10 new parking spaces at the

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Boulevard. This motion is based on the

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following findings. The parking lot

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expansion complies with section 1023 of

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the town code regarding ARF off streetet

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parking requirements and standards.

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complies with sections 10184 and 10186

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of the town code um regarding

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landscaping requirements.

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Um with the conditions of this approval

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uh include that the concrete color must

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be the town approved color Davis color

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2% to pounds per 100 pounds of concrete

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or a pre-approved equal alternative.

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light fixtures as stated by the

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applicant appear to be compliant with

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continer I think it is. Um and they are

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both considered non-native. um they're

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not specifically um prohibited, but we

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other native plants to replace these.

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>> Motion passes.

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The next item is a non-action item. a

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discussion the um about potential

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revision to the town's parking

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standards. Staff contact is Tam Tom Tom

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Dansancy and Tom will present.

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» Thank you. In the uh previous work

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meeting, the commission started started

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a discussion about um revisions to the

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town's parking standards. Um there's not not to kind of rehash what

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we talked about in the last meeting

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other than uh the fact that um this is a trend across the country of looking at

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parking standards to see if if um towns

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and and local governments can use

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parking standards more efficiently um to

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better accomplish their land use and

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transportation goals. In the previous

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meeting, you expressed some interest in

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investigating

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potential revisions to the town's

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parking standards.

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However, you wanted additional

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information and data upon which to begin

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that that discussion. You directed staff

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to develop a an action plan for how we

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would provide you with the parking data

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and and uh other information that you

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would need to begin that discussion. And

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so the staff report outlines a proposed

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action plan. Um, and as as indicated in

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the staff report, we've actually done

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this a couple of times previously. And

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the the basic idea is that we first of

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all inventory all of the parking

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available in the town. That includes

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both off streetet parking areas as well

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as on street parking areas. So we have a

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know we have an idea of what our

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approximate parking capacity is. Um then

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we go and actually perform counts of how

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that parking is being used and we

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perform those counts at various times

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during the day, various days of the week

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and various um seasons. So um we in in

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the past what we've done is we've

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counted four different times 10 a.m. 1

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p.m. 4 pm and 7 p.m. That gives us an

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idea of how parking is utilized at

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various different land uses throughout

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the day. We've also counted um on

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different days. So, weekdays, weekends,

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holidays, non-h holidays. That gives us

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a better idea of um to identify trends

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of how parking is used on different

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days, weekends, holidays. Um based on

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all of that then in the past what we've

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done is we've come up with an analysis

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of how of kind of the util utilization

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rate of the different parking areas. So

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we we can say this parking area, parking

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area A at property A is used at 50%

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utilization on average at this time, 60%

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at this time. Just to kind of give you a

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better idea of what those utilization

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rates are. Um like I said, we've done

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that in the past. We we did an extensive

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analysis in 2007 and then we followed

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that up with a couple of more limited

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analyses in 2015 and 2016. Um, and so we

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propose to do the same kind of thing

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this year that allows us to go back and

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um

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to compare results year-over-year to see

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how we've changed. Um, this will be also

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be interesting because this will be the

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first time we've done this analysis

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since the town started our parking

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manage our on street parking management

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program. Um, and so it would be

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interesting to see how that has impacted

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parking. So that's that's kind of the

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basic outline of what we propose to do.

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We also proposed some dates. Um and um

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we're I I'm going to at this point

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retract those proposed dates. Um the

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reason being for for reasons similar to

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what Nile um alluded to earlier. Um, at this point with with kind of the

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limited staffing resources in the

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planning department, it would be pretty

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much impossible to get th those parking

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counts done according to the dates that

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I had originally proposed, which is

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throughout this month, taking advantage

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of taking advantage of the Memorial Day

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holiday. Um, and then doing an analysis.

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um

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where whereas I think this this issue is

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important and I think that the

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commission um should be interested in

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analyzing this um given current staffing

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in the community development department,

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it's probably not something that we can

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put devote a lot of resources to now.

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However, I do think it's important that

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these parking counts capture a holiday

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period. So, what I'd recommend at this

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point is that we postpone these parking

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counts um till later in the summer and

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anticipate using um late summer counts,

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capturing the Labor Day holiday, and

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then doing some some counts maybe early

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fall. So, what I'd appreciate your

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feedback on at this point is just a

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general overview of the system of of the

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plan as we've outlined it. Is this

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something is does this respond to what

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you wanted? Will this give you the data

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that you that you were were seeking? Um

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get any feedback that you have on the

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plan. Um and then also your feedback on

402
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those dates from this May to later this

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summer. So that's the feedback that um I

404
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would appreciate. Now

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» and also are there any questions for

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Tom?

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I'm assuming that the like the holiday

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period

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includes like peak months because it

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sounds like Labor Day and that early

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fallish period would capture some of the

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peak times

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as opposed to doing some of the more

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like quieter months.

415
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>> Correct. Yeah, that that's the intent is

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that we capture a variety of of periods

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with different demands. So holidays,

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Labor Day certainly that would be one.

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Um, uh, October is, you know, September,

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October are kind of super busy periods.

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That would be a good point.

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>> And maybe late August, mid to late

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August traditionally has not been as

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>> as busy. And so comparing those times

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would be would be important to know as

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well.

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» Yeah.

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So, second bullet point number one, um,

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how many parking spaces are available to

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visitors of Zion? Do you mean within the

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park?

432
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>> Um, sorry, good, great, great point. No,

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that that means um like street parking.

434
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>> Yeah.

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>> Or we we we since the last time we did

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this, we now have a number of paid

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public parking lots. So the idea is

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there's like we talked about in the last

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meeting there's there's two different

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kinds of parking demand that we have in

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the town. One are patrons of local

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businesses and it's important to to know

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what the demand is there. The other are

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visitors to Zion National Park which may

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or may not be patrons to local

446
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businesses but their primary um parking

447
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need is to visit the park. So kind of

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trying to get a handle on the parking

449
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needs of those two groups is what what

450
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that number one is all about.

451
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Okay, thanks. And um I guess another

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thing you may want to consider is um

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inventorying during the shuttle

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offseason because that is a different we

455
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have more parking available in the park.

456
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It it is quite different than when the

457
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shuttles are running, but um I don't

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know if that's exactly what you're

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looking for or not. So

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>> absolutely.

461
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>> Yeah. So be after December 1st, the

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shuttles would not be running obviously

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besides Christmas and New Year's and all

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that.

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» So in reading through this, the one

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question I couldn't figure out is how do

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you distinguish between parking used by

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businesses and parking used by Zion or

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getting on the shuttles to go to the

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park?

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>> Yeah, great question. and and you can't

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really other than where the vehicle is located. So the the assumption is

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that if a vehicle is parked in a

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business parking lot that is a patron of

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the business

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versus if a vehicle is parked on the

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street that is most likely someone who's

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going into the park. Obviously those are

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assumptions and they don't hold true

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100% of the time but but that's the

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underlying assumption.

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And then I don't know how easy this will

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be when you get there, but as far as

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when you're inventory the vehicles, is

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there a way to track if that vehicle's

486
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been there all day or if maybe there's

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different times a different vehicle?

488
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There is a way to do that. We do not

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have the the technical capacity or

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resources to be able to do that. So what

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we've done in the past is just done a

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total car count. it does not capture the

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dwell time or the turnover, which would

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be another really important aspect to

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capture. Um, we we

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I haven't figured out a a way that we

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can do that within our resources, but

498
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that's certainly something we can

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discuss if there's a possibility to do

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that.

501
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>> I don't have a solution for either, but

502
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I I throw it on.

503
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>> We just throw out the problems.

504
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>> Yeah. Um I I I I would consider adding

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one other piece of information to the

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collection. Um and that would be um on

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the business related parking, the

508
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commercial property parking that we

509
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identify if we can what the minimum

510
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number of parking spaces required is.

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Therefore, we can identify if um owners

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have done the minimum or if they have

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done more than the minimum number of

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parking spaces.

515
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>> Great suggestion. Yeah, and in fact, we I I should have clarified that that

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is something that we captured in the

517
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past and absolutely that's an important

518
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metric to to include. So, yes, that's a

519
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fantastic suggestion.

520
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Otherwise, looks pretty good to me.

521
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>> Yeah, I this is a question, maybe a

522
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little bit of a conversation. Um, so the

523
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goal here is to

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try to figure out what makes sense if

525
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changing the parking requirements for

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new development. And I'm just wondering

527
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trying to separate like the off streetet

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parking spaces and how that

529
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impacts the number of spaces at

530
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businesses and how we would factor that

531
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into

532
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the requirements for parking for the

533
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businesses. Does that make sense? Like

534
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>> Yeah. I I

535
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>> you follow what I'm saying? Yes.

536
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>> I would actually even extend on that. My

537
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question is there's a priority between

538
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parking going to the Zion and people

539
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going to the businesses. Are we diving

540
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those up? Correct.

541
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>> I mean, should we be taking some of

542
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these off- streetet parking and make

543
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them more hourly so they, you know,

544
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cater more to businesses and not just to

545
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the park. But then that hurts scion. So,

546
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it's that trade-off. I don't understand

547
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how to,

548
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>> but I think if you capture the type of

549
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information that Terry was talking

550
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about, then so that you know how many

551
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the business is supposed to have, how

552
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many they actually have, and how fully

553
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utilized they are, you'll capture that

554
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,280
information because you'll know that

555
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,200
people are I mean, if I have a chance to

556
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,039
park in a business parking space, I'm

557
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:14,559
going to do that rather than park on the

558
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:16,480
street. In fact, most people probably

559
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,240
will park in the business parking space

560
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,039
and then try and wander off, so to

561
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,480
speak, get on a shuttle bus and

562
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,960
disappear and come back hours later and

563
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,799
take advantage of the fact that they

564
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,559
don't have to pay for parking that way.

565
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:29,919
So the question the only question I

566
00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:31,679
would have then is the information that

567
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:35,520
we might want be interested in is um how

568
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,559
actively the businesses pursue

569
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:40,640
sort of towing those people away or

570
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,279
citing them if they're parked illegally

571
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,919
in private private spaces. Very

572
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:48,559
difficult to do or that we try and

573
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:51,200
capture businesses to at least capture

574
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,440
that information for us during these

575
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,200
times so we can make an evaluation on

576
00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,870
that.

577
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,679
What's that?

578
00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:02,799
>> Yeah, that would be valuable to know.

579
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:04,640
You know, how much effort goes into

580
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,159
enforcing

581
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:08,400
>> the parking is for my business only.

582
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,480
>> I mean, my observation that some of them

583
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,520
some of the businesses that are more

584
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,039
frequently or more uh actively

585
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,039
frequented, they don't do a lot in that

586
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:20,960
regard. they just kind of accept the

587
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,240
fact that people are going to do that

588
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,400
and they, you know,

589
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,520
>> on the other hand, um, the transient

590
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,919
lodging facilities, we really would

591
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:32,080
prefer that the that those customers

592
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,480
park near their hotel room and leave the

593
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,039
car there.

594
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:35,919
>> Sure. Absolutely.

595
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:37,919
>> We'd want really in a sense, you'd want

596
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:39,200
a difference like a restaurant, you'd

597
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,200
want a different kind of behavior than

598
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,799
>> parking lot.

599
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:43,440
>> Agreed.

600
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,320
>> Transient lodging. Yeah.

601
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,159
>> Um,

602
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:51,679
I I I would agree to delay. I I think I

603
00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:53,600
would rather get good data than try to

604
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,080
hurry.

605
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,039
>> Yeah.

606
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,480
>> The dates that are proposed are good.

607
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,760
>> I would recommend that we um

608
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,480
recommend that the staff

609
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,320
u perform the actions that they

610
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,480
recommended that we direct them to rec

611
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,760
to to do but at this time at a new time

612
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:19,110
SC frame.

613
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,279
and come back and propose a new time

614
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:22,320
schedule to us.

615
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:22,640
>> Yeah.

616
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,720
>> If Yeah. If we want that or do we just

617
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,039
trust them figure something out? I don't

618
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:31,430
know.

619
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,320
» Thank you. This is

620
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,200
>> that clear for you?

621
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,120
>> Yeah, absolutely. Great feedback, really

622
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,679
great suggestions and yeah, we will

623
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,080
propose a new time schedule focusing on

624
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,559
late summer, early fall, uh potentially

625
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,200
extending into the shuttle off season

626
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,830
and keep you updated.

627
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,799
» The third item, second non-action item

628
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,039
is a discussion about potential changes

629
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:57,360
to the land use code that will be

630
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,440
necessary following adoption of the

631
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,080
wildland urban interface zone. Staff

632
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,720
contact is Nile Connelly and Nile will

633
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,799
be presenting.

634
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,679
>> Thank you. Um so you as a commissioner

635
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:12,720
previously discussed the Wildland urban

636
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,880
interface code. Um and that's also been

637
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,880
discussed by the town council and

638
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,200
there's been some public meetings on

639
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,760
that topic. Um so the town will be

640
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,440
adopting uh the WOOI code as it's known

641
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,919
for short in the near future. Um in

642
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:36,320
anticipation of that uh the commission

643
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,159
has already recognized that there are

644
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:41,840
some some standards in our code in our

645
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,400
land use ordinance that are potentially

646
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,120
at odds with the WOOI code and that may

647
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,120
make it difficult as we're implementing

648
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,840
this. So there may be some some

649
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,600
adjustments that need to be made to our

650
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,720
existing land use uh standards.

651
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,200
Um

652
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,120
the conflicts primarily occur in the

653
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,799
areas of uh building materials uh which

654
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,760
are part of the standards of the WOOI

655
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,559
code and also this idea of defensible

656
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:17,520
space and fuel management. Um so as far

657
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,240
as building materials uh WOOI requires

658
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,000
fire rated materials and uh most of the

659
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,600
materials in our code are are are good

660
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,360
with that. Uh but there are some

661
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,760
materials particularly wood products

662
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,799
such as wood siding, wood roof shingles

663
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,279
and then wood for fascia sopeta

664
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,440
detailing that um that are generally not

665
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,120
fire rated and may uh may not really

666
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,200
pass the the WOOI standards. So it might

667
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120
be worth removing those from the

668
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,760
approved list. It may also be worth

669
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960
adding some fire rated substitutes into

670
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,840
the approved list such as a fiberboard

671
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,320
sighting or also known as Hardy board

672
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:08,480
that is uh used across town. Um it's not it's

673
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,720
not listed as prohibited. So it is used

674
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,799
across town but it might be might be

675
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,559
worth adding that as an approved

676
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,559
material.

677
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,880
Um the next issue is around this uh

678
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,200
defensible space concept where um for

679
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840
compliance with the WOI code buildings

680
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,919
need to have an area around them which

681
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:34,480
is um free from flammable materials

682
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,480
essentially. So it doesn't mean that it

683
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,600
needs to be totally bare earth. there

684
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,399
can be some vegetation um but uh there

685
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:46,960
needs to be minimum distance between

686
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,760
trees. Uh we're also aware that certain

687
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,480
species of trees such as junipers are

688
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:58,080
highly flammable. Um and um

689
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,919
and so

690
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:03,279
this kind of potentially is an issue

691
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,360
with some of our landscaping standards

692
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,000
where we do require two replacement

693
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,919
trees for every one native tree that's

694
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:13,600
removed. Um and then just our general uh

695
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,080
landscaping requirements for tree

696
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,720
planting. Um,

697
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,440
as some of you know who've uh built

698
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,279
homes in the town, um, you know, many of

699
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,679
the vacant lots have a lot of these

700
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:33,120
trees on them. And so, um, so extensive

701
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,919
planting of trees is is often required

702
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:38,559
when when you're building a new home.

703
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,279
And a lot of those trees tend to have to

704
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,960
be close to the house just for space

705
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,559
reasons. Um so th those are some things

706
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,399
for you to consider uh because they may

707
00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:52,320
be at odds with the defensible space

708
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,080
requirements. Um

709
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,760
and uh and then while considering it um

710
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,840
it's worth bearing in mind the reasons

711
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,799
why we have these landscape ordinances

712
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,440
in in the beginning. So, you know, there

713
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,320
is a real benefit to having native

714
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,960
vegetation, to having these trees around

715
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,320
town. There's landscape and ecological

716
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,799
value to these. So, um so yeah, it is

717
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,399
kind of a balance, but it it's just

718
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:27,919
something um that would be worth

719
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:31,360
discussing. Um, so the staff report

720
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,919
includes a few options that you might

721
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:36,720
want to consider um on how we could

722
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,399
address these and and you might also

723
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:40,480
have other ideas too that that I haven't

724
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,640
considered.

725
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
>> A question on the the planning.

726
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,360
I get it. If you're packed and you got

727
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,640
to have them by the house, that could be

728
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,720
a problem. But on bigger lots,

729
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,360
especially in the foothill residential,

730
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,600
do are you allowed to plant those two

731
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,159
trees outside of the defensible space of

732
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:02,240
30 ft?

733
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,519
Yeah. So, where where it comes up if you

734
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:10,559
have a foothill residential lot um that

735
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:14,720
is on a 2 acre or larger parcel, uh you

736
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,200
may have the space to to plant those

737
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,760
replacement trees. A lot of our foothill

738
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,080
residential zones are in a planned

739
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,279
development overlay. So for instance,

740
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,840
Anastasia Plateau or the Clar Cup

741
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,120
subdivision or Canyon Point. So the the

742
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,640
way those subdivisions have been

743
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,559
designed is that you have a smaller

744
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,960
building pad where you put your home and

745
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,640
then it's surrounded by a conservation

746
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,679
easement. So like a natural area. And so

747
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:46,559
on those parcels or on those lots, um

748
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:48,799
there's really not very much space that

749
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,120
you can build on when once you built

750
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840
your house. Uh if you have a bunch of

751
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,880
replacement trees to plant, they're

752
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,720
inevitably going to be pretty close to

753
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,399
your house. So, um that's yeah, that

754
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:13,909
that's kind of how it occurs.

755
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:18,480
Are there any other questions for Nile?

756
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,320
>> On the other

757
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,559
building permit, was there any thought

758
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,480
or looking at flat roofs as far as being

759
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,799
fire resistant material?

760
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,960
A lot of the flat roofs are probably not

761
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:40,549
that fire resistant right now.

762
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,519
Yeah, flat roofs can be an an an issue.

763
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,000
Um, for those of you that came to some

764
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,640
of our um meetings that we've had

765
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,559
recently with representatives from the

766
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:54,240
fire district, they've talked about those flat roofs and and how they

767
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,880
can be an issue um if an ember comes and

768
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,320
the problem with a flat roof is an ember

769
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,159
comes and just sits on on the roof and can burn through it. So there are um

770
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:06,240
roof membrane materials that are fire

771
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,800
rated and would be an approved material

772
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,760
under the the WOOI code. There are there

773
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480
are others that are are not. Um and so

774
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,320
it just really kind of depends on the

775
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,119
type of roof material that that's

776
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:20,879
proposed. So that could be again

777
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,240
something for the commission to

778
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:25,280
consider. um

779
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,399
uh if someone does want to do a flat

780
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:32,399
roof requiring that the roof membrane be

781
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:34,800
and I I apologize I don't remember off

782
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,320
the top of my head the technical terms

783
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,079
that the the fire professionals have

784
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,599
used um but but whatever that um fire

785
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:44,159
ignition resistant material is for flat

786
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:45,359
roofs you could you could make that a

787
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:47,280
requirement in your code.

788
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,919
>> Yeah. The the WOOI code refers to some

789
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:53,040
international code that calls class A, B

790
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,000
and C. And so class A is the most

791
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,680
resistant and C is the least resistance.

792
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,680
It might be if we go down that path it

793
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,119
might be simpler to pick okay it has to

794
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,920
be class A or B or something like that.

795
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,599
Then we don't have to keep put specific

796
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,240
materials in our ordinances that then

797
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,640
might become outdated

798
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,839
if we stick to the class ratings.

799
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:19,359
And I think along with that, my

800
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:21,119
understanding is is that the highest

801
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,160
rated membrane, there are no colors that

802
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,960
currently fit within the acceptable

803
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,880
colors.

804
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,920
Like I think that the it's they're very

805
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,119
bright.

806
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,520
>> Yeah. TPO tends to come in kind of white

807
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,920
colors and and and

808
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,000
um it uh it comes in different gradings.

809
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,079
The trade-off is that the more the more

810
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,640
ref fire retardant material they add,

811
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,680
the more brittle the material becomes

812
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,800
and so there's a trade-off and um so

813
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,160
yeah, if we go down that path, I think

814
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,520
there's a lot of pieces of information

815
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,599
for us to get to know before we we try

816
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:58,240
to

817
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,520
>> make a rule on that. Um I think that's a

818
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,839
little bit side to particular issue. Um

819
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:07,760
but I think we it's something we should

820
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,760
be thinking about. Yeah.

821
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,359
>> To me, it would fall under the building

822
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:15,200
materials

823
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:15,920
like when we're talking.

824
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,200
>> Well, yeah. If we wanted to remove or or

825
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,960
change the building materials for the

826
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,560
roof. Now, that wasn't recommended by

827
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,000
the staff at this point, but it's

828
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,400
something,

829
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,480
>> right? Yeah. Um,

830
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,440
and and there are I I know some at least

831
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,520
a couple of homes that have a, you know,

832
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,119
aluminum roof, but that's um anodized or

833
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,520
something, so it's not bright. So that

834
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,000
would be a fireproof roof in a sense.

835
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,839
>> Is it something that makes sense to put

836
00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:46,320
in the at this point? And the building

837
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,800
construction materials.

838
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,880
>> Yeah. So I I think so what you're saying

839
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,400
is that some of the most the the higher

840
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,200
rated materials don't match the color

841
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,680
code. They're they're not

842
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,760
uh it's currently available in that. So

843
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,119
yeah, if you wanted to accommodate

844
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,240
people being able to use those materials

845
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,520
uh more freely, then that probably would

846
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,400
be something to put into the code as far

847
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,079
as because because the the color palette

848
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,160
and the color material all part of that

849
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,280
process.

850
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,800
>> So yeah, that could be something to

851
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,599
consider.

852
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,680
>> We go far and I'm not sure if it's class

853
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,280
ABC. I always remember is um IR ignition

854
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,960
resistive class one two three. Do we add

855
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,680
that into our codes that we want homes

856
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,440
to have certain ignition resistant

857
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,119
classification?

858
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,040
>> The

859
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,119
if I remember the way the WOOI code was

860
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,760
written that we would be required to

861
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,720
incorporate into ordinances.

862
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,400
It didn't say. It said if your house has

863
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,560
a certain rating, then you have to have

864
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,160
a greater or lesser distance of cleared

865
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,720
space.

866
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:01,760
>> That is correct. Yes.

867
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,280
>> Um but I don't think it said that you I

868
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,720
don't think it disallowed building a

869
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,119
house of a lower rating.

870
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:10,880
>> And so I don't think if we adopt the

871
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,480
ordinance as it is, which I think we're

872
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,640
supposed to do, we would not be

873
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,440
disallowing a particular.

874
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,240
>> So the question there is, isn't wood

875
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,920
siding

876
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,280
considered to be below IR standard. So

877
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,880
why are we saying you can't have wood

878
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,440
siding?

879
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Essentially saying you can't have wood

880
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,480
siding is saying you need certain type

881
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:32,880
of

882
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,599
>> Well, I think what was proposed was

883
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,160
removing wood siding from the per

884
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,560
recommended.

885
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,960
We don't necessarily have to add it to

886
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,640
the um excluded or the not not

887
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,560
>> out. Okay.

888
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,880
>> Right. Um because there is a list of not

889
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,040
allowed and a list of recommended and

890
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,440
some things that are not on either list.

891
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,000
>> Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, there

892
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,680
there's specifically approved and

893
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,599
specifically prohibited and then there's

894
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:07,760
some that are on neither list.

895
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,760
>> So what being recommended is that the

896
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,000
wood would not be approved. Correct.

897
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,760
>> Would not be recommended. It would not

898
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,240
It could be approved but it's not

899
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,280
desirable. Okay. So, so and we we could

900
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,200
make this choice, but it's right now on

901
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,440
the list of preferred or we thinks we'd

902
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,280
approve,

903
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,880
>> we could move it to the list of not

904
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,240
approved or we could remove it alto

905
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:29,119
together,

906
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:29,599
>> right?

907
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,839
>> So, taking it off of the approved list,

908
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:32,320
>> right?

909
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,240
>> Yeah. But it doesn't mean that it's

910
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,119
prohibited

911
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,040
>> doesn't unless we choose to put it on

912
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:37,760
the prohibited list.

913
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,160
>> Yeah, I follow you now. Yeah.

914
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,440
>> I think it makes sense to put on the

915
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,240
prohibited list. Well, having had a

916
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,599
house that survived a fire like this in

917
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,359
the midst of all my neighbors whose

918
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:53,280
houses burned down and mine was fully

919
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,960
woodsided

920
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,079
um and survived. I'm not necessarily

921
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,520
sure that's a appropriate thing to do.

922
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,800
>> Yeah, I I would want to get a little

923
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,079
more expert input because because if

924
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:07,920
your house is, you know, gets a lower

925
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,520
rating, you're supposed to clear

926
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,160
further, which is supposed to mitigate

927
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,359
the risk,

928
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:16,160
>> right? somebody chooses that they really

929
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
want wood siding and they're willing to

930
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,640
go 100 feet instead of 30 feet or

931
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,040
whatever.

932
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,960
I think I'd want to have some more

933
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,680
knowledge before we say they can't take

934
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,880
that path because the WOOI code as as I

935
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,079
read it last year last summer

936
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,079
allowed for that path but you're

937
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,720
supposed to then trim much further back.

938
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,280
>> And what about what shingles?

939
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,240
>> Same.

940
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,920
wood shingles I think are probably

941
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,839
>> um a little different thing and that

942
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:51,839
they're probably I mean there are fire

943
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:54,160
retardant or fire resistant wood

944
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,440
shingles but that doesn't necessarily

945
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,440
mean that they're

946
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,920
>> super good. I I would take those off the

947
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:00,480
list and

948
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:00,960
>> yeah,

949
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,640
>> be more apt to prohibit them, but

950
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,119
>> and and and maybe maybe with some

951
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,359
expertise input, we might come to the

952
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:10,720
conclusion that we'd want to put some of

953
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:14,000
these things on the not allowed list.

954
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,319
>> Yeah.

955
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:16,000
>> But I wouldn't want to do it without

956
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,640
getting some expert input because you're

957
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,319
restricting people

958
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,880
>> on something that may or may not

959
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,319
>> that they may or may not be able to

960
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:25,680
mitigate a different way,

961
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,400
>> right?

962
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,920
So, is it possible for us to get expert

963
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,880
input on the wood sighting and

964
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,880
>> Yeah, we can certainly do more research

965
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,440
and work with our building inspector to

966
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,720
get more guidance on that.

967
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,800
I don't really have much experience with

968
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,480
wood siding, but um I have had many

969
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,800
experiences that involved wood roof

970
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,200
shingles and lived in areas where they

971
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,880
were prohibited um being in the midst of

972
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,520
neighborhoods um where homes were

973
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,920
burning down because those fireballs

974
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,240
land on the roof and those wood shingles

975
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,880
just Yeah.

976
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,560
But like you said, maybe there's some

977
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,440
kind of wood shingle that's different

978
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,200
that doesn't catch on fire like that. I

979
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,349
don't know.

980
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:20,319
» So, in a couple of the points in in the

981
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:23,520
um in the in the staff notes um talked

982
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,319
about the the tree requirement, the 2:1

983
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:29,599
tree requirement. Um start with that

984
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,800
one. Something I was thinking about is

985
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,440
we could we could go to a one one tree

986
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,319
requirement instead of a two to one.

987
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:39,599
Actually was thinking about it. We're

988
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,440
actually kind of going against our our

989
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,200
general plan idea in not impacting or

990
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,440
reducing the impact on the land. And if

991
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,119
we double the number of trees on the

992
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,520
land, aren't we impacting the land? You

993
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:54,880
know, so I thought about it two to one

994
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,880
is actually kind of an impact upon the

995
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,760
land. whereas one would say, "Oh, the

996
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,760
land still has the same." So,

997
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,040
I kind of thought, well, you know, we

998
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,200
could go to one one

999
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,240
with the ability to um reduce that as

1000
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,880
necessary to comply with the WOOI code,

1001
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,119
which isn't yet in our code, but will

1002
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:17,839
be.

1003
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:20,240
>> I agree with that. Yeah, the

1004
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,400
>> the thought I have on that is that the

1005
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,200
2:1 probably came out of I I don't know

1006
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,119
for sure, but I would assume it came out

1007
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,520
of the thought process that, you know,

1008
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,760
you've got big tree, you're cutting it

1009
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,960
down, and now you're going to put little

1010
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,920
trees

1011
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,560
>> and two little trees still don't make up

1012
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
one big tree and likelihood is one of

1013
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,640
those is going to die. And I don't know

1014
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,480
that we do any compliance to make sure

1015
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,680
that the trees that were planted survive

1016
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,200
beyond some short period of time. So,

1017
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,680
um, yeah, I don't know. You know, I

1018
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,119
understand what you're saying and I kind

1019
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,200
of agree with it, but on the other hand,

1020
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,640
from, you know, the bigger picture,

1021
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,920
maybe it maybe

1022
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,280
>> Yeah, I kind of thought through that,

1023
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,280
too. I thought, well,

1024
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,119
we live in a human time frame. So, yes,

1025
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:06,880
two little trees are smaller than one

1026
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,040
big tree, but they grow up to be twice

1027
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,960
as big to one big tree

1028
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:11,760
>> if they survive

1029
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,720
>> 50 years later.

1030
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:13,359
>> If they survive,

1031
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:15,359
>> they survive. My experience has been

1032
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:17,520
I've planted double trees and I've only

1033
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,680
had one of my double trees actually

1034
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,520
fail. And so I've got lots of double

1035
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,440
trees. So, you know, assuming they're

1036
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,520
going to die is is just as much of a

1037
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,839
subject, right? Um and so, you know, so

1038
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:33,040
I was kind of thinking about that in the

1039
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,800
long term, we're actually creating more

1040
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,760
trees than naturally would be there. Um

1041
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,760
and more tree volume than would

1042
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,599
naturally be there over 50 years or

1043
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:42,880
whatever. Um,

1044
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,079
>> well, the other thing is we're changing the location of the

1045
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,720
trees, too. And the the natural trees

1046
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,560
that you find around here are the ones

1047
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,440
that are close to water, not out in the

1048
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,040
hillside somewhere. And so, if you've

1049
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,359
got somebody planting a couple of a

1050
00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:59,040
couple of new trees out on the hillside,

1051
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,200
they're they're probably not planting

1052
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,040
>> Well, and then and then we pump water

1053
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,000
over there.

1054
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,079
>> Exactly. So now we've got different

1055
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,400
vegetation, which is kind of what you're

1056
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,400
saying is we're impacting the

1057
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,839
environment because we're bringing in

1058
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:13,040
different kinds of trees than would

1059
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,079
naturally occur. But whatever. I don't

1060
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:16,480
know.

1061
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,160
>> Anyway, I I don't think we're making

1062
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,800
decisions today. So I was just on the

1063
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,520
consideration might be do we go to one? Um might be a useful

1064
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,960
consideration.

1065
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,640
>> So you're saying go to one to one within

1066
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,359
the uh defensible space or

1067
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:36,240
>> right. So you you you you produce a

1068
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,240
development plan. Let's say it requires

1069
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:40,880
taking out four trees. Um you would be

1070
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,440
required to re to plant four trees

1071
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,599
somewhere else on your property versus

1072
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,680
having to plant eight trees somewhere

1073
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,400
else on your property.

1074
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,720
>> So you're just saying blanket, you know,

1075
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,400
within your property.

1076
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,079
>> Yeah. I I think the way it's now, as

1077
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:55,440
long as it's somewhere else on your

1078
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,760
property, it it counts, right? Doesn't

1079
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,800
have to be any

1080
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,560
>> Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, it should be

1081
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,920
a similar species.

1082
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,000
>> Similar species. on the plant list and

1083
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,599
other things. Yeah.

1084
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,760
>> Um

1085
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,440
>> in my understanding it still gives the

1086
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,400
property owner a choice because you

1087
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,400
there are trees on the list that aren't

1088
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,280
as flammable

1089
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,040
and then there are the one like the

1090
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,440
junipers I think are on the list and

1091
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,760
they are flammable. So a property owner

1092
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,480
could choose.

1093
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,280
>> Yeah, you could choose. In fact, if I

1094
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,440
remember correctly, the the thing I read

1095
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,359
said like desert willows were actually

1096
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:33,040
at the other end of the scale.

1097
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,079
>> Yeah.

1098
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:35,920
>> Almost not flammable sort of.

1099
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:36,640
>> Yeah.

1100
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,240
>> So certainly we could even include in

1101
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,599
the code encouragement for certain kinds

1102
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,359
of trees.

1103
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:50,950
Um

1104
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,200
and then

1105
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,000
the other statement in in in the staff

1106
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,720
notes was about um the requirements we

1107
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,839
have in landscaped areas for I think it

1108
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:05,359
was one tree per thousand square feet.

1109
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:08,870
Um,

1110
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,200
I'm think I sort of thought, well, we

1111
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,240
might potentially just remove that

1112
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,560
>> for the commercial and public use zones.

1113
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,480
>> Well, and then it actually also covers

1114
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,400
the res. There's two Oh, I see. Yes.

1115
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,760
>> residential.

1116
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,319
>> Um, potentially we do it for one and not

1117
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:27,680
the other. That's a possibility. Um,

1118
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,359
then we're not again requiring tree more

1119
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:34,960
trees than would normally grow there.

1120
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,359
Um,

1121
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:39,359
and

1122
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,359
I'm I'm I'm almost of a mindset of like,

1123
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:43,440
well, maybe when you're all done

1124
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,800
developing, there should be the same

1125
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,800
number of trees there were before you

1126
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,800
started.

1127
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,800
And rather than say there has to be, you

1128
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,480
know,

1129
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,599
>> what is the size of a tree? You say you

1130
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:58,000
have to have two to one. What is the

1131
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,240
size of the tree? Can I put a twig or is

1132
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,480
there like there is a requirement? Five

1133
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,400
gallon I think minimum, right? There's a

1134
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,040
call out.

1135
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,000
>> Yeah,

1136
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,800
>> five gallon certain height

1137
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,720
>> and a certain trunk.

1138
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,480
>> Yeah, one one to one and a half inch

1139
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,040
trunk.

1140
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,640
>> Yeah. What what I'm questioning is,

1141
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,480
okay, if we go to one one,

1142
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,520
>> do we change that?

1143
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,839
>> Um, I guess it depends a lot on what's

1144
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,640
readily available, you know. I mean, it

1145
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,240
gets quite expensive if you want to

1146
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,760
plant a much bigger tree. Um,

1147
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,599
>> and and they're hard they're really hard

1148
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:34,400
to find. So, I would be in the camp of

1149
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,680
leaving that requirement the same.

1150
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,880
>> I would think so because five gallallon

1151
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,040
trees are easy to find. As you start

1152
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,640
getting bigger, they get harder and

1153
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,079
harder to find,

1154
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,240
>> harder to plant and transport and

1155
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:59,109
>> transport and everything else. Yeah.

1156
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,280
Um just on the point of the thousand

1157
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,040
square feet, um it does include shrubs

1158
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,839
and ground cover. So if we were to take

1159
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,920
that out completely, we would be taking

1160
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,480
out that requirement.

1161
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,119
>> True.

1162
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:16,640
>> We could just take out the tree

1163
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,480
requirement, but in the

1164
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,440
>> because I think it refers to shrubs six

1165
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,240
feet or taller I think is what the code

1166
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:25,680
talks about. If you take out anything

1167
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,599
six feet or taller you have to replace

1168
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,680
it. Um

1169
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,760
and so we should look at those details

1170
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,400
before we

1171
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,000
>> Yes. Yeah. And maybe there's a way to

1172
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,319
uh put that language in so that it's you

1173
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:44,720
can understand that there still is a

1174
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,119
landscape requirement

1175
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,079
>> with a specific tree

1176
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:58,950
requirement. Yeah.

1177
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,710
» Any other comments?

1178
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,960
Nile, do we need to clarify any of the

1179
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,040
discussion?

1180
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,000
>> Um, so I've been taking notes and maybe

1181
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,160
if I just run through what I what I

1182
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,040
think I'm hearing and you correct me.

1183
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,240
>> Um, so there is a question around flat

1184
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,520
roofs and uh some of those membranes

1185
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,319
that are more or less desirable

1186
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:25,839
um

1187
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:28,160
and then the various classes. So we need

1188
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,319
to have a think about um whether whether

1189
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:34,640
the yeah those specific membranes be

1190
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,440
mentioned in the code or whether we

1191
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,880
refer to the different classes uh that

1192
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,119
are mentioned in the WOOI code. Um there

1193
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:48,480
was also a discussion about

1194
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,280
color. Does that become an issue? Um,

1195
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,760
are we by applying the color palette to

1196
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,480
roofs, are we limiting some really good

1197
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,599
products that would be fire compliant?

1198
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,079
Uh, so we need to look at that a little

1199
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:05,520
bit more.

1200
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,280
um

1201
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,760
you wanted some more expert input on

1202
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:15,359
wood siding um to learn really um you

1203
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:18,880
know how how big of a disadvantage is it

1204
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,559
and obviously taking into account that

1205
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:24,400
there's um you know property owners in

1206
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,480
complying with the movie code you have

1207
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,760
various options you can select and so

1208
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,079
you wanted more information before we

1209
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:35,440
just outright prohibited wood siding

1210
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,280
Um the wood shingle roofs, it seems like

1211
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,680
you were leaning more towards scrapping

1212
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,040
those because they tend to be a little

1213
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,880
bit more dangerous.

1214
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Um probably needs a little bit more

1215
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,839
research. Then on the tree replacement

1216
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:53,839
requirement, um you're looking at

1217
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:56,559
potentially doing a one:one replacement

1218
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:01,599
instead of the 2:1. Um but also with the

1219
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:04,880
ability that that could potentially be

1220
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,680
reduced on a sightto-sight basis if woo

1221
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,240
compliance is a problem. Um and then to

1222
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:15,760
find a way to encourage nonflammable or

1223
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,200
less flammable trees where possible.

1224
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,640
Uh then on the minimum tree standards uh

1225
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,040
in the landscape chapter

1226
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,880
um potentially looking at removing that

1227
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,359
minimum tree requirement

1228
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:34,559
uh but not the minimum for shrubs and

1229
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,400
other plants.

1230
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,359
So I I can take that away and uh work on

1231
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:41,200
that a little bit more and come back

1232
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,400
with kind of proposals that are a little

1233
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,440
bit more meaty the next time.

1234
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,119
That sounds good.

1235
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,150
>> Thanks.

1236
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,920
» I really struggle with the keeping the

1237
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,240
2:1 tree replacement requirement but

1238
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,960
allowing a relaxation when you're in the

1239
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,119
uh WI conflict area. When you're I It's

1240
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,119
still very confusing to me when you're

1241
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,040
planting trees.

1242
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,480
It's not the center of the tree that has

1243
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,640
to be 10 feet apart. It's the branches

1244
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,440
of the trees.

1245
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,079
If I plant little trees, they're good

1246
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,839
and someday they're going to grow. And

1247
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:22,000
>> I don't I don't have a thought right

1248
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,359
now, but it seems that whole

1249
00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:27,520
that could get confusing very fast

1250
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,720
because when they're small, they're

1251
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:28,960
great.

1252
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,800
>> Yeah. Yeah. When they're small, 10 ft

1253
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,480
apart, but grow up,

1254
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,800
>> they grow together. Um, we we might

1255
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,319
consider adding something to the code

1256
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:41,839
that the landscape plan has to um

1257
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:45,200
plant trees perspective to their full

1258
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,920
growth size,

1259
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,760
right? Not the size they are when you

1260
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,790
plant them. Yeah, it's a good point.

1261
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,119
Have a question for the staff as well.

1262
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,520
What's the status of the local map with

1263
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:05,349
respect to the WOOI?

1264
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:08,559
» Great question and that's um one of the

1265
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,960
main reasons why we have not updated the

1266
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,800
WOOI yet and I'm um shagrined to admit

1267
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,640
that it was a gross misunderstanding on

1268
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,520
my part of what the uh state law

1269
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,119
actually requires for the map. Um, I was

1270
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,280
reading the updated state law to mean

1271
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,160
that um to mean something opposite of

1272
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,280
what it actually meant. So the the the

1273
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,720
takeaway is that we we we can use our

1274
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:41,920
own local map for the WOOI zone. Um,

1275
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,000
which I I was a misunderstanding on my

1276
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,680
part. So that that's what we're

1277
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,680
preparing to do now is to adopt the WOOI

1278
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,200
code and adopt our own local map for the

1279
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,559
WOOI zone. Again, for those of you that

1280
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,119
have been following this this issue

1281
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,359
along, keep in mind that there is a

1282
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:01,839
distinct difference between our local

1283
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:05,040
WOOI zone where the WOOI code will be

1284
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,680
administered and what the state refers

1285
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,559
to as high risk WOOI properties

1286
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,160
where they will where the state will be

1287
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,880
assessing a fee on those properties and they'll be subject to to to to

1288
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,599
different um state requirements. We have

1289
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,280
no control over those where the state

1290
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,359
maps the high the high-risk WOOI

1291
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:27,839
properties, but we do have control over

1292
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:30,559
where our local map shows where the WOOI

1293
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,760
zone is. Does that answer your question?

1294
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:39,520
>> Sort of. I guess the um I was under the impression that pretty

1295
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,720
much everything around here is in the

1296
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,160
high-risisk zone according to the state

1297
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,240
maps, but if we define a local map that

1298
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:47,520
to be different than that, then the

1299
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,440
state will kind of back out of the local

1300
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,200
area. Is that correct?

1301
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,040
>> So again, this is it's

1302
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,079
>> hard to say, right?

1303
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,559
>> Well, no. I I it's it's there's been a

1304
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:58,720
lot of confusion and and I think

1305
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:00,240
everyone has been somewhat confused,

1306
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,640
including me. Um and and as I'm learning

1307
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,880
more, I'm getting more clarity. So

1308
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,040
there's there's a lot of mapping going

1309
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,480
on. Um and and all this mapping has

1310
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,960
different impact or or or the end result

1311
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,960
of this all this mapping is different.

1312
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,920
the the state has something called the

1313
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,960
um Utah uh wildfire risk assessment

1314
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,319
portal, the URAP, where you can go on

1315
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:27,440
and you can see all the different

1316
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,680
mapping that the state has done by

1317
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,079
different metrics. They'll they'll you

1318
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:33,359
can map your property by something

1319
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:35,839
called structure exposure score or fire

1320
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:38,880
severity or all these different metrics.

1321
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,119
And according to all that mapping, yeah,

1322
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,680
Springdale is is in in quite

1323
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,079
inconsiderable everywhere in Springdale

1324
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:49,680
is at considerable risk of wildfire.

1325
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,119
That mapping isformational only. That

1326
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:57,119
mapping has no regulatory impact either

1327
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,359
at the state level or at the local

1328
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:01,040
level.

1329
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,440
Additionally to that, the state has used

1330
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,160
that mapping and other sources to

1331
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,960
produce a map where they have identified

1332
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,559
high risk WOOI properties.

1333
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:13,920
Those are the properties that will be

1334
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,599
subject to the to the assessment and and

1335
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,119
they'll be those will be the ones that

1336
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:20,720
will be subject to having an inspector

1337
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,520
come out and do do an inspection.

1338
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:30,000
Only generally speaking, only properties

1339
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,160
in the Anastasia plateau area of

1340
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,280
Springdale have been mapped in the high

1341
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,000
risk WOOI property area by the state.

1342
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,559
That means that as a town we can

1343
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,640
establish our own WOOI boundary and the

1344
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,880
impact of that town determined WOOI

1345
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,799
boundary is where the wildland urban

1346
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:53,200
interface code will be administered. We

1347
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,799
have complete discretion on where that

1348
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:56,880
boundary is located

1349
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,200
>> except for Anastasia.

1350
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,280
>> Well, there's completely separate

1351
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:01,680
issues.

1352
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,520
>> Oh, so so they will do their thing and

1353
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,839
we could also manage that area as well.

1354
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:09,760
>> Correct. They're managing it for one

1355
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,400
purpose.

1356
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,160
>> We're managing Okay. They're and the

1357
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,680
purpose for which they are managing it

1358
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,839
is are these are properties that the

1359
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:17,599
state has identified are at such high

1360
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,280
risk that they are going to be assessed

1361
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,520
a fee

1362
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,599
um and there'll be inspections of those

1363
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:25,680
properties and the intent of that fee

1364
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,799
and that inspection is to um encourage

1365
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:31,760
those property owners to do wildfire

1366
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,359
mitigation around their properties to

1367
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:35,760
reduce the wildfire risk. That's the

1368
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,400
whole impact of the state identified

1369
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,440
high-risisk WOOI zone or high-risisk

1370
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,520
WOOI properties.

1371
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,040
Completely separate and distinct from

1372
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,680
that is the local administration of the

1373
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,920
WOOI code. The things that we've been

1374
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,200
talking about tonight. Where is

1375
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,200
defensible space going to be required?

1376
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,559
What kind of building materials are

1377
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,880
going to be required? It is up to us as

1378
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,119
a as a local government to determine in

1379
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:02,640
what areas we want that WOOI

1380
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,960
code to be applied. The state has made

1381
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,880
some recommendations to us on where they

1382
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,319
think we should apply the WOOI code, but

1383
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:12,079
it ultimately is a local decision on

1384
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,359
where we where we um determine that

1385
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:17,920
boundary to be. That was my

1386
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,680
misunderstanding. I I thought I I

1387
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:20,720
thought that the state was going to

1388
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,640
override our ability to determine that

1389
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,319
boundary, but no, that is not the case.

1390
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:25,599
We get to choose where it is.

1391
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,920
>> So, have we made progress on the town

1392
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,480
map?

1393
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,880
>> Yes. So, we have a we have a draft map.

1394
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,040
We we've presented that map to the to

1395
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,200
the community at a couple of meetings

1396
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,440
and we're in the process of of getting

1397
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,440
that to approval of the council.

1398
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,119
>> So that means that the council is

1399
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:51,040
actually enforcing more of a wooui area

1400
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,720
which then changes the building

1401
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,960
requirements.

1402
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,680
>> Rephrase that question. So, it seems to

1403
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,240
me that it's up to the city to decide.

1404
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:03,760
As long as the state hasn't come in and

1405
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,720
said you have to be an extreme area. If

1406
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,240
you're not an extreme area, it's up to

1407
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,160
the city to decide if it's an extreme

1408
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,040
area. Th this whole this whole

1409
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,960
discussion the terminology that the

1410
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,280
state has used is very unfortunate

1411
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,359
because they use terms like high-risk

1412
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:21,359
wooi property

1413
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:23,680
which similar terminology is also found

1414
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,720
in the wildland urban interface code and that's led people to conflate those

1415
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,200
two issues but they're completely

1416
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,680
separate and distinct. What the state

1417
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,839
has said is town of Springdale as with

1418
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:37,920
all other municipalities in Springdale,

1419
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,240
you must adopt the wildland urban

1420
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,880
interface code. You have to. We don't

1421
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,359
have a choice in that.

1422
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:49,280
We do have discretion on ad establishing

1423
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,799
the WOOI zone. The WOOI zone is where

1424
01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:54,880
the wildland urban interface code

1425
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,599
standards will be applied. That's

1426
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:00,079
completely our decision. has nothing to

1427
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,079
do with the properties that the state

1428
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,240
has identified as high-risk wooi

1429
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,240
properties. We get to make that

1430
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,480
decision.

1431
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,559
>> The decision we get to make is is the is

1432
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:11,839
the area.

1433
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:12,319
>> Correct.

1434
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:14,319
>> Not the wording of the ordinance. Right.

1435
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:14,880
That is correct.

1436
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,599
>> The ordinance is is predetermined for

1437
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,240
us, but we get to determine where that

1438
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,680
ordinance applies within the town the

1439
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:24,880
boundaries of Springdale.

1440
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,470
>> Precisely.

1441
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,680
that mean like the defendable area

1442
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,040
where that applies and where that

1443
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,160
doesn't apply.

1444
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,079
>> So the defensible space is one of the

1445
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,280
requirements of the WOOI zone and to

1446
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,920
answer your question yes that defensible

1447
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,040
space requirement will only be required

1448
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,359
for development of properties that are

1449
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:51,599
within the WOOI zone as we determine

1450
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:54,640
where that is located.

1451
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,040
properties that are not included in the

1452
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,200
WOOI zone, however we determine that to

1453
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,119
be, will not be subject to the

1454
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,839
defensible space requirement or the the

1455
01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:07,280
building materials requirements or

1456
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,960
anything in the WO zone.

1457
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,880
So, as as as the we've worked pretty

1458
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,319
extensively with the Hurricane Valley

1459
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:18,000
Fire Protection District to come up with

1460
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,000
a draft map. Um, and that map generally

1461
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,480
includes

1462
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,640
most of everything in the foothills, not

1463
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,720
the when I say foothills, I don't mean

1464
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,559
the foothill residential zone. I mean

1465
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,319
actually in the foothills which can

1466
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:36,400
include some valley residential zone and

1467
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,040
does not include certain um parts of the

1468
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,319
foothill residential zone but it

1469
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:42,640
essentially is is property in the

1470
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,240
foothills

1471
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,599
um will as recommended by the hurricane

1472
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:52,160
valley fire protection protection district will be included in

1473
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,000
the wooi zone which means those wooi

1474
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,480
requirements defensible space and others

1475
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,549
would be required on those properties.

1476
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:05,520
So on that map,

1477
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,839
not every property on Anastasia is in

1478
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:09,440
the high risk, which is really

1479
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,880
interesting because if you look at the

1480
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,520
map, there could be one house across the

1481
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,319
street with the same kind of black brush

1482
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:18,720
and cedars and one is high risk and one

1483
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,520
is not. And when we met with the um the

1484
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,079
fire chief from Hurricane,

1485
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:28,160
he didn't even have an answer for us as

1486
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,039
to why. Um

1487
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:33,039
but it's concerning and frustrating

1488
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:34,640
because

1489
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,359
um some are in it or some are not. But I

1490
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:39,920
guess the question I have is will the

1491
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,240
WOOI zone

1492
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,480
is that go that would go up onto Anna's

1493
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,359
Sazi? I would think in the on the map

1494
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:49,760
that the town is doing

1495
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,240
>> it does correct. Yeah. Again, pretty

1496
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,200
much the only let let me take a

1497
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,640
at the risk of adding further confusion,

1498
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,720
but hopefully with the intent of adding

1499
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,359
further clarity, let me give you a

1500
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:06,160
little bit more background.

1501
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,280
This I I referenced the state mapping

1502
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,000
called the URAP earlier and and that's

1503
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,599
justformational mapping that the state

1504
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,160
has done to help municipalities analyze

1505
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,160
fire risk. the the the state has said,

1506
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,880
"Hey, local governments, we recommend

1507
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,880
that you include in your WOOI zone all

1508
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,960
properties with what they have a metric

1509
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,319
that they have come up with called

1510
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:35,680
smooth structure exposure score

1511
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,920
of five or greater. This this smooth

1512
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,520
structure exposure score has a scale of

1513
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,319
1 to 10. and they say, "We we recommend

1514
01:04:42,319 --> 01:04:44,720
that all properties within with a smooth

1515
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,520
structure exposure score

1516
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,480
greater of five or greater be included

1517
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,880
in your WOOI zone." That was their

1518
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,549
recommendation.

1519
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,039
Everywhere in Springdale is five or

1520
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,680
greater on this map of the smooth

1521
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,240
structure exposure score. So that's part

1522
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:05,680
of the reason why initially we we

1523
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,119
thought, "Oh my goodness, we don't have

1524
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:08,559
any choice in the matter. everything in

1525
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:10,319
the Springdale has to be in the in the

1526
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:12,400
WOOI zone. Turns out that's not true,

1527
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,520
right? So, what we've done is use that

1528
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,079
data and other data and and boots on the

1529
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:20,079
ground data with with the fire marshall

1530
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:22,319
and and representatives of the fire uh

1531
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:24,799
Hurricane Valley Fire District to refine

1532
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:27,680
where the WOOI boundary is for

1533
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:32,240
Springdale. So yes, it includes

1534
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:33,839
everything in the foothills, all of

1535
01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:37,280
Anosazi Plateau, most of Canyon Springs,

1536
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,839
most of Kinosava. The things that are

1537
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:43,119
not included would be things right along

1538
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:48,079
SR9 between SR9 and the river. Um, a

1539
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:51,200
little bit on the on whatever side of

1540
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:56,559
SR9 we're on currently. East, west, thank you. A little bit on the

1541
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:58,720
west side of SR9. Those are those are

1542
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,559
areas that the fire marshall said,

1543
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,240
"Yeah, the state is encouraging us to

1544
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,880
put these in the WOOI zone, but looking

1545
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,039
at this boots on the ground really

1546
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:09,520
there's not really a significant

1547
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,359
as I mean everything is at risk of fire

1548
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:13,599
of wildfire, right? But but not not a

1549
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,200
significant enough risk to warrant

1550
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,440
putting this in the WOOI zone, but

1551
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,760
everything else in the Foothills. Yes.

1552
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,559
>> Is that draft map available for viewing?

1553
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,400
>> Yeah. Yeah, we've we've put it I think

1554
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,920
it's on the website maybe.

1555
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,880
I um

1556
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,359
uh let me double check the website

1557
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:35,280
really quick.

1558
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,280
Will you go on the website now to the

1559
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,359
town's website

1560
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:40,880
and go to the community development

1561
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:47,119
department and there's a tab for wildfire or wooi or

1562
01:06:47,119 --> 01:07:12,870
something like that.

1563
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,119
Uh I thought that for sure we had put

1564
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:18,319
that on the map. I I apologize we have

1565
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:21,760
not. Um we will get that up on this

1566
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,760
website so that that will be available

1567
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,920
to the community. But but yes it is it

1568
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,520
is we have presented it a couple of

1569
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,119
times at these different meetings. It is

1570
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:30,559
available. We'll get it up on the

1571
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:31,680
website.

1572
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,400
Thanks.

1573
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,799
>> So, um the presentation is the one that

1574
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:36,559
was done at the public meeting a month

1575
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,079
or two ago.

1576
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:39,920
>> Yeah. So, we've had two presentations.

1577
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,799
The first one um was done um actually it

1578
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:44,160
might be in that one. Kindle if you'll

1579
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,160
bring now bring up the wild that first

1580
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:51,039
one. Yeah, I think it's No,

1581
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,760
this was this was a presentation that we

1582
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,359
partnered with the Hurricane Valley Fire

1583
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:58,079
Protection District on um just kind of

1584
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,960
introducing the concept of the WOOI zone

1585
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,000
and um I think that's I think one of

1586
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,920
these slides has our map in there.

1587
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:06,960
>> There's the high-risisk

1588
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,039
>> that's the high-risisk WOI zone from the

1589
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,470
state.

1590
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,880
Keep going. Keep going. That there you

1591
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,520
go. that this is a really bad version. I

1592
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,920
apologize, but that's the map. We'll get

1593
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,000
a better version on the on the website.

1594
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,839
>> So, it hasn't changed substantially from

1595
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:24,480
that.

1596
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:29,199
>> No. No. So, any anything um on either

1597
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,679
the east or west of those two red lines

1598
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:34,880
would be in the WOOI zone.

1599
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,400
Um and yeah, so so between the two lines

1600
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,199
would not be in the WOOI zone. So

1601
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:42,880
probably most of our commercial

1602
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,920
properties are not in the WOOI zone. Is

1603
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:46,799
that a true statement?

1604
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:47,199
>> Correct.

1605
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,950
>> Yep.

1606
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,319
» So maybe we don't need to concern

1607
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:56,080
ourselves too much about changing the

1608
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,279
code for commercial zones if they're not

1609
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,040
in not going to be in the WOI zone

1610
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,719
anyway.

1611
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:04,480
Okay.

1612
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:08,229
Interesting idea.

1613
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,349
Um

1614
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,440
just gets really ugly if you're on the

1615
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:14,960
border all that.

1616
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,719
>> Yeah. What if you're on the red line?

1617
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:19,040
>> Red line or your neighbor is okay, but I

1618
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,719
you're not because that's where the red

1619
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:21,520
line goes.

1620
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:22,799
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1621
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:24,719
>> The same thing happens with Foothill and

1622
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:26,640
Valley. I mean, Canyon Springs has

1623
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,239
several

1624
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:30,560
foothill properties that are on the

1625
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,279
river and valley properties that are up

1626
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:36,799
from the river. So yeah, we run into

1627
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:38,880
that kind of thing and

1628
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:39,199
um

1629
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:40,799
>> trying to figure out how that influences

1630
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:41,920
our codes.

1631
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,440
>> How does it influence our codes? Yeah.

1632
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:44,480
>> Yeah.

1633
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:46,799
>> And and there will be neighbors who are

1634
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,080
going to be different because they'll be

1635
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,319
on two sides of the line.

1636
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:50,799
>> Yeah.

1637
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:52,799
>> And it's the same with the high risk

1638
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:55,760
like and Anastasia. Some people will be

1639
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,000
paying a fee and your neighbor next door

1640
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,000
across the street don't

1641
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,120
>> because they're not yet.

1642
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:08,950
>> Yeah.

1643
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,280
Are there any other comments or

1644
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,880
questions?

1645
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,560
Um,

1646
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,040
so, so what what would be the plan for

1647
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,320
this?

1648
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,679
I'm assuming that we would not want to

1649
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:24,800
make changes to that we're talking about

1650
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,920
here until we know when the WOOI code is

1651
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,679
adopted because we're going to refer to

1652
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:33,120
that WOOI code which is not yet in our

1653
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,080
town code.

1654
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,400
>> Yes. So the plan is that the WOOI code

1655
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,800
will be adopted in June by the town

1656
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,840
council. So I think by the time this is

1657
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,239
run through a few work meetings

1658
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:48,560
>> then it'll already Okay.

1659
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:48,880
>> Okay.

1660
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,600
>> Is is this

1661
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,679
map uh fixed in stone when that adoption

1662
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:59,840
occurs or is this going to be a um you

1663
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,320
know I don't know something that can

1664
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,360
change over time conditions change or do

1665
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,120
you have to go through and change the

1666
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,120
code to do it? Um yes and yes it can

1667
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,640
change just just like any other zone

1668
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,520
boundary. It it can change um and and

1669
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,280
yes we would need to change the code to

1670
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,000
do so because the the WOOI zone is going

1671
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,400
to be um housed in title nine of the

1672
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,960
code. That's our building standards and

1673
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,960
not title 10 which is our land use

1674
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,360
ordinance. the process to change the

1675
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,880
code is much easier than it is for than

1676
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,719
it would be to like change a property

1677
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:39,600
from value residential to village

1678
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:44,320
commercial or something like that. Um so yes

1679
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,480
it can be changed. Yes, it will require

1680
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,480
changing the code and that code change

1681
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:50,880
process is much easier than a typical

1682
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,320
zone change that the commission would be

1683
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,880
familiar with. Can the can the code be

1684
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,120
drafted in a way that this this becomes

1685
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,320
a you know something that is referred to

1686
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,239
in the code but it's but it can but it's

1687
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,239
changeable without having to go through

1688
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:06,320
that process.

1689
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,320
>> I think we have to adopt it by ordinance

1690
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,960
for it to be for it to become effective

1691
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,560
um to to binding. Um ordinances carry

1692
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,080
the force of law behind them and because

1693
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,600
this WOOI code is something that we'll

1694
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,880
want to have the force of law behind

1695
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,920
we'll have to adopt it by ordinance. Um,

1696
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,679
but again, changing changing an

1697
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:28,159
ordinance associated with title nine is much easier than changing an

1698
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:29,920
ordinance associated with title 10, for

1699
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,440
example. There's no public hearing

1700
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,520
requirement. It is something that the

1701
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:34,719
town council can do on their own

1702
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:36,719
initiative without uh going through the

1703
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:40,400
planning commission process. So, it's a pretty streamlined

1704
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,640
um process to get that changed.

1705
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,229
>> Okay.

1706
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:49,120
» One other question. So, if the state

1707
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,520
came in and said you're in the

1708
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,600
Will you zone?

1709
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,320
But if the city said you are, do we are

1710
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:00,159
they as restrictive on the defendable

1711
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:05,030
area?

1712
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,280
The only time the state is going to get

1713
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,600
involved is with the properties that

1714
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,840
they have mapped as the highrisk WOOI

1715
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,159
zone properties. Go back to that red

1716
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,840
blob over onazi plot. There you go.

1717
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,760
those properties um have been mapped as

1718
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,239
the high-risk wooi zone properties.

1719
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,080
Those are the only properties that the

1720
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,719
state is going to become involved in.

1721
01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:31,280
And they're not going to

1722
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:32,960
um

1723
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,159
from a regulation standpoint tell you

1724
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:37,520
what you can and can't do with your

1725
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,400
property. What they are going to say is

1726
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,280
we're going to assess you a fee and the

1727
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,199
amount of the fee that you're going to

1728
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,679
pay is

1729
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:51,280
uh directly related to how well you have

1730
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,360
mitigated the fire risk around your

1731
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,560
property. So you're welcome to keep your

1732
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,360
property in a state of high fire risk.

1733
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,159
You will just be paying more money in

1734
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,640
your assessment.

1735
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,080
If you want to reduce that assessment

1736
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,000
and you live in this high-risisk wooi

1737
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,719
area, then you would say, "Oh, I'm going

1738
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:12,080
to do the things that the state has

1739
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,400
asked me to do to reduce the amount of

1740
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,080
money that I have to pay every year in

1741
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,719
my assessment."

1742
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:22,000
>> The city of Springdale is going to

1743
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,880
assign what they think is a high risk

1744
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:31,350
independent of the state.

1745
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,600
And then do they get fines? the city of

1746
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,840
Springdale start saying

1747
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,480
>> that so we are the the again the whole

1748
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:40,960
terminology is unfortunate.

1749
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:46,630
We're not going there is a

1750
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,960
we're not going to be saying a property

1751
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,960
is high risk the same way the state is

1752
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,880
saying a property is high risk. We're

1753
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,280
going to say saying a property is either

1754
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,400
in the WOOI zone or it's not in the WOOI

1755
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,679
zone. If it's in the WOOI zone, the WOOI

1756
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:03,840
zone requirements are applicable to that

1757
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,880
property. That means when you develop

1758
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,120
the property, you will need to comply

1759
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,360
with the building requirements and

1760
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:12,800
building materials and those kinds of

1761
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,920
things. The only part of the WOOI zone

1762
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,880
that is retroactive is the defensible

1763
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,960
space requirement.

1764
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:25,199
Um, and so the town could say at some

1765
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:28,080
future date, you are in the WOOI zone.

1766
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,000
You are out of compliance with the

1767
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,840
defensible space requirement on your

1768
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,679
property. Therefore, we're going to

1769
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:35,760
bring we are going to be bringing a code

1770
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,080
enforcement action against you and we

1771
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,679
would enforce it through a a code

1772
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:42,000
enforcement process.

1773
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,800
>> Should be up to the city council and the

1774
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,360
planning commission to review. No,

1775
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,560
that's a that's an administrative

1776
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,000
process that that is is done through our

1777
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,719
community development department.

1778
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:56,400
Whether or not we're actually going to

1779
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:02,159
get to that point, it I I I think is is

1780
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:06,239
questionable. I I think the the whole um

1781
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:09,120
idea behind this WOOI zone adoption and

1782
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,199
the defensible space requirement is to

1783
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:12,960
educate property owners about the

1784
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,760
wildfire risk on their properties and to

1785
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,000
say here are things that you can do to

1786
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,400
better protect your property. We've

1787
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:21,920
already started this process. The other

1788
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,159
link that was on that website, the

1789
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:27,440
town's website that that we saw, um, was

1790
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:31,520
a a presentation that the Damarind

1791
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,760
Valley Fire Chief came and presented to

1792
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,480
the community about here's what you can

1793
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,080
do as a property owner to make your

1794
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,679
property more fire safe. That's what

1795
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:45,600
we're trying to do. We're we're not

1796
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,920
trying to be punitive as a as a town.

1797
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,120
We're not trying to come down with a

1798
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,400
heavy hand. So I don't envision a time

1799
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:53,679
where we would ever get to the point

1800
01:16:53,679 --> 01:16:55,199
where we are finding people for being

1801
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:56,880
out of compliance with the defensible

1802
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,560
space requirement. I think it's

1803
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,400
primarily about education and helping

1804
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,640
them become more firewise.

1805
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,000
And the reason one of the things I bring

1806
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,719
this up is like for burns and screening

1807
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:09,360
between properties.

1808
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:10,960
Well, if you have trees up to be

1809
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,560
screening and all of a sudden you're in

1810
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,960
a defensible area, you got to start

1811
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,239
cutting your screening out.

1812
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:20,080
So that becomes, hey, we got an

1813
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,159
ordinance that says you got to put up a

1814
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:23,760
screen.

1815
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,280
And then you have another ordinance that

1816
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,280
says, oh, that's too much trees. You got

1817
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,040
to start taking them out. That's why I'm

1818
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,360
trying to figure out

1819
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,280
>> it brings up a good point. Maybe

1820
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,280
relative to what we're this issue, we

1821
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,640
should look at what are the screening

1822
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,440
um requirements, our ordinances, whether

1823
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:43,360
we need to modify those. I think that's

1824
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:44,320
a

1825
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,120
>> a good point.

1826
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,280
>> Mainly applies in the commercial. That's

1827
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:48,640
the only tends to

1828
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,159
>> which is not is um not it's outside of

1829
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:56,000
the WOI boundary, right?

1830
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,520
>> Look like most of them were. Maybe all

1831
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,040
of them are. We don't know for sure at

1832
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,800
this point, but

1833
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,199
>> um yeah, you're right. The screening

1834
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,040
requirement is generally to screen

1835
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,199
between commercial zone and a

1836
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:09,600
residential zone. And so if you're

1837
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,480
required to put trees and or plants in

1838
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:15,360
that screening area and it happens to be

1839
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:16,960
on the other side of that red line, then

1840
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,600
I think it's something to look at. Yeah.

1841
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,640
>> Yeah. I' I've seen, you know, residents

1842
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,040
with screening up just even just a block

1843
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,360
to nine

1844
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:31,679
technically in the um the workhouse, you

1845
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:35,040
know, zone.

1846
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,199
They uh you could put screening. Part of

1847
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,040
that code says they expect some

1848
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:43,360
screening up in different houses

1849
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,239
>> that they're building a certain number

1850
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:47,840
of houses for the workhouse overlay

1851
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:48,159
zone.

1852
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:50,560
>> Oh, workforce overlay zone. Yeah. Okay.

1853
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:51,920
>> Technically, according to our code, you

1854
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,239
have to put in some kind of screening,

1855
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:57,040
>> but if you're in a red area

1856
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,560
>> now, again, we got a conflict that

1857
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,000
that's where I keep

1858
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,199
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and I think it's

1859
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,280
important to to recognize and and Terry,

1860
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,400
you made this point earlier that there

1861
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,719
um one is not all trees are created

1862
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:10,960
equal when it comes to fire risk. Um

1863
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,360
there are actually many trees that the

1864
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,520
town would allow and encourage that

1865
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,320
don't present a significant fire risk.

1866
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,159
Um there are those that obviously do

1867
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,239
like junipers or opinions are a

1868
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:24,000
significant fire risk. So so I think

1869
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,320
it's important to to recognize that. And

1870
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,239
the other is that the WOOI defensible

1871
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:29,760
space requirement does not mean you

1872
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,040
cannot have a tree. It means that you

1873
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,800
need to be careful about where that tree

1874
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,120
is located and how it's maintained. If

1875
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,640
the tree is within a certain distance of

1876
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,120
the home, 10 feet, it has you you have

1877
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,400
to make sure that the branches are 10

1878
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,400
feet away. If it's into the defensible

1879
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:45,520
space, you need to make sure that it's

1880
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:46,880
limbmed up off the ground, at least six

1881
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,040
feet off the ground. But it does not

1882
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:54,239
mean that you cannot have trees. So I I think I think presenting this as a

1883
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:56,159
choice between

1884
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:57,679
trees

1885
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:04,159
and screening or WOOI zone compliance is not completely accurate because the

1886
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:06,159
WOI zone actually does allow trees. It

1887
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:07,679
just says here's how they have to be

1888
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:09,840
maintained and and here's how they have

1889
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,679
to be located

1890
01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:14,239
>> in the state high-risk areas on

1891
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:17,199
Anastasia. Where are things at with um

1892
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:20,480
the defensible space to your house

1893
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:23,120
that's actually outside of your

1894
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,679
property?

1895
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:29,920
The code said 100 ft or to the property

1896
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,679
line. So

1897
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:35,760
>> property line's closer then the the code

1898
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,199
says you only have to go to your

1899
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:38,960
property line. Now does that make you

1900
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,560
safe? I don't know.

1901
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,040
So when we did the walk through with the

1902
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,040
fire chief,

1903
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,040
he was showing us stuff out in the open

1904
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,560
space of how to um

1905
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,440
make the like the brush like at least

1906
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,760
three or four feet away from each other

1907
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,000
when not on our property.

1908
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,239
>> Yeah. So so a couple things. Um Terry is

1909
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:02,719
right that the strict wooi zone

1910
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:04,960
requirements talk about to the property

1911
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,440
line or a certain distance. That's a

1912
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:10,400
wooi zone again. There's two different

1913
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,400
things going on here. There's the WOOI

1914
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,600
zone, which is what we'll be enforcing.

1915
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,280
Then there's what the state requires for

1916
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,920
high-risisk WOOI properties and and more

1917
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,000
broadly what maybe an insurance provider

1918
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,400
is going to require for um protection of

1919
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,080
a of a structure. They don't care what

1920
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,920
the WOOI zone requires.

1921
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,440
>> They're worried about actual protection

1922
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:31,840
of the structure. And they may in fact

1923
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,199
have told property owners, I don't care

1924
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:36,800
if that tree is not on your property.

1925
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,480
it's presenting a wildfire risk and it

1926
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,840
needs to be mitigated. Um so in in a

1927
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,679
recent town council meeting, the town

1928
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:49,040
council has given blanket approval

1929
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,679
to maintain vegetation in the Anastasia

1930
01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:56,639
Plateau conservation easement for the

1931
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:59,920
purpose of fire mitigation as required

1932
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:06,639
by uh either WOOI or a um

1933
01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:09,120
insurance or or some some other

1934
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,719
>> requirement. requirement. There is there

1935
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:12,719
is a requirement that you that a

1936
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:14,239
property would need to kind of vet that

1937
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:15,120
with the community development

1938
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,320
department. So, it's not just a cart

1939
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,120
blanch go down and cut every tree you want, but the council has recognized

1940
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,560
that issue and has taken steps to

1941
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:28,709
address it.

1942
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:32,149
» Anything else?

1943
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:32,639
» We turn.

1944
01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:35,199
>> I just have one question um about Sorry,

1945
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:37,600
not about this topic though. um about

1946
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:38,960
the

1947
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:43,120
>> the the June work meeting. Um is

1948
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,120
>> it appropriate now to take action or

1949
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,800
would that be something for the on the

1950
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,120
agenda next meeting? Like do we need to

1951
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,280
vote on that?

1952
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,880
>> Um so it is on your um on the meeting

1953
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,239
schedule that you publish.

1954
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:56,880
>> Yeah.

1955
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,120
>> And and so it it probably would be a

1956
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,199
good idea to take action. I mean we

1957
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:02,880
we've canceled meetings in the past

1958
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,639
without a formal action. So, I don't

1959
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:05,840
think it requires one, but it's probably

1960
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,840
a good idea just for transparency

1961
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,440
>> so so that the community is aware that

1962
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:11,120
we're going to be doing that.

1963
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,360
>> So, the answer is I would I don't think

1964
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:14,639
it's required, but I would encourage you

1965
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:15,199
to do that.

1966
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:16,400
>> Okay. Does somebody want to make a

1967
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:16,639
motion?

1968
01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:19,440
>> I move that we um take the June 3rd

1969
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:20,960
meeting, I guess it is, off the

1970
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:21,440
schedule.

1971
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:22,960
>> Well, actually, you can't do it tonight

1972
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:23,920
because on the agenda,

1973
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,199
>> you have to do it in a public

1974
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:25,600
>> Yeah,

1975
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,199
>> it needs to be on the agenda. Okay.

1976
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:30,159
>> You have to do it. I I apologize if my

1977
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:30,960
way

1978
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,719
>> you'd have to have it on the agenda in

1979
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:34,480
your next meeting and then action on it

1980
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:35,679
when it's on the agenda.

1981
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:40,229
>> Perfect. Thank you.

1982
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:40,800
» Okay.

1983
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,400
>> If we forget to do it next time, we'll

1984
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,880
just cancel it afterwards.

1985
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,560
We'll just have nobody show up.

1986
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:52,000
>> Now, is there a motion to adjurnn?

1987
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:52,719
>> I gave up.

1988
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:54,000
>> You gave up.

1989
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,320
>> I will second Paul's motion now.

1990
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,040
>> Okay. Motion by Paul, second by Terry.

1991
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,639
All in favor?

1992
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:01,360
>> Rich? I.

1993
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:02,080
>> Terry? I.

1994
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:02,960
>> Jennifer I.

1995
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:03,679
>> Paul. I

1996
01:24:03,679 --> 01:24:05,360
>> Kashai.

1997
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:10,600
>> Motion passes. Meeting is adjourned.