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meeting.

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>> Okay.

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Welcome to the regular meeting of

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the Springdale Town Council. Today is

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Wednesday, May 13, 2026.

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The time is 5:15 p.m. We are in

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Springdale at the Canyon Community

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Center. With us from the town, we have

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Garen Breck, Don Breck, Rob Totten,

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Nyall Connelly, Tom Danzy, Kendall

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Sagers, and April Ritz. And we have our

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general counsel Greg Hardman. On the dis

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from council we have Pat Campbell, Randy

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Eton, myself Barbara Bruno, Jack Burns,

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and Kyla Topam. And I would like to

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start with the pledge of allegiance. If

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you'll join me

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» to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for it

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stands one nation under God indivisible

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andice for all.

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» The next item on the agenda is an oath

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of office for our new town clerk Kendall

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Sagers.

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And Kendall, do you want to stay where

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you are and do that or do you want to go

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up to the dis?

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>> I I think I see the answer to that.

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» Okay. Um, if you'll repeat after me,

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raise your right hand. I Kindle Sers.

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I, Kendall Sagers,

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>> having been appointed to the office of

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town clerk,

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>> having been appointed to the office of

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town clerk,

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>> do solemnly swear that I will support,

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obey, and defend the Constitution of the

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United States.

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>> do solemnly swear that I will support,

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obey, and defend the Constitution of the

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United States

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>> and the Constitution of the State of

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Utah

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>> and the Constitution of the State of

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Utah.

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>> and that I will discharge the duties of

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my office with fidelity. and that I will

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discharge the duties of my office with

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fidelity.

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>> Congratulations.

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>> Thank you.

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» I would entertain a motion to approve

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the regular meeting agenda.

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>> Um, and we've had a request. So, we

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would like to have the agenda approved

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with item D2

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moved to after item C2.

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Is

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>> that good?

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She's not coming. She's going to zoom

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in.

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>> So, um,

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>> does someone want to make that motion?

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>> Agenda with the revision of moving item

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D2 to be heard right after item C2.

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>> There a second.

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>> A second.

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>> Got a motion by Randy and a second by

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Kyla.

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>> And I, Randy,

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>> Barbara, I.

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>> Jack, I k I.

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>> Okay. Are there any general

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announcements from the town?

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>> Uh Ryan is usually here to fill us in on

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all the exciting things that are

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happening in Springdale, but he is um in

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training today and so he's asked me to do that for him. So he has uh two

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exciting things. Um one is uh this month

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is National Physical Fitness and Sports

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Month. And so for the entire month of

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May, all town fitness and sports classes

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are completely free to attend. So

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everyone is encouraged to come and

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attend a class and look for ways to get

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active and stay healthy.

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Um and second announcement is that we

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will be partnering with Dark Skies

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Astronomy Tours for a Community

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Stargazing event that will be held on

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the town field Friday, May 29th at 9:30.

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Um, and again, that is completely free

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and is always a big hit with people of

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all ages. So, please come out and

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support that event as well.

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>> Friday, May 29th at 9:30 p.m.

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That's after Springdale midnight.

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>> It's after some of our bad times.

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>> Are there any other general

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Okay. Um, we'll start with an update on

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Z National Park from Superintendent

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» Good afternoon.

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Um, I'll start with some of our

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visitation data as I usually do, but uh,

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the mayor has granted me a few extra

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minutes to talk about a few other

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things. Um for the month of April, um

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visitation at the park compared to April

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last year was down 2.1%.

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but year to date um through April, we're up uh 5.4%

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um compared to last year. So still still

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trending um up. Um visitation was super

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strong in March and uh very strong in

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um any general questions before I start

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in on some other things? Be happy to

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>> South Campground. Still finishing up the

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punch list. Um,

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backordered. Uh, supply chain issues,

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before the end of the month. We'd like

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to get it open for Memorial Day, but I'm

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not sure we're going to make that.

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» No changes with the tunnel closure.

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utilizing the term large vehicles as

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opposed to oversized vehicles because if

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you worked for U DOT or A DOT, oversized

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vehicles mean something much different.

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don't meet the tunnel size requirements

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the turn radi on the road itself. So uh

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those two things plus um there is a

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50,000 lb weight limit for the bridges

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So June 7th, um we'll continue our um

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public information campaign. As you

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know, we've been getting things out

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periodically and we'll be ramping that

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up again here over this next month. So,

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the first week or so. Um I'm sure

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there'll be folks that aren't aware of

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what's going on, but Yeah.

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state of things as as are happening now

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reference uh here this is our visitation

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park sign national park was established

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um up through 2025.

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million visitors and then you'll see in

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15 years. Um, it jumped up to 2 million,

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completed uh through the gorge uh the

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Virgin River Gorge and uh visitation

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quick. So you can see as you go to the

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additional million marks in very uh

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as you know that has ramifications for

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park operations. So Tom maybe the next

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one from there which uh shows

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since 2010 in terms of visitation

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and um ours budget. Now what means is

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operation of the national park service

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and that is congressionally appropriated

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funding. Every park unit is a line item

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uh in the federal budget. So uh we show

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up as a line item. Bryce Canyon shows up

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as a line item. So again, this is

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percent change and we selected 2010 as

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kind of our base year um back when we

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statistics even more carefully.

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year uh 2012 and 2013.

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budget between 12 and 13

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and that's kind of when visitation

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started to rise as well. Uh 2013 was um

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the start of the the mighty five

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campaign and advertise intensive

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advertising of our national parks here

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in Utah and we started seeing the

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visitation really begin to rise at that

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point. Now the budget figures are um are

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period um

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our our budget has has declined

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uh 23%.

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you know the impact of inflation

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how that affects us. It could be

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supplies, materials. It affects us in

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um that shows we'd be at 5.16

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two u million. Now, we'll have to see

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how that that actually shakes out.

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curious about is what what's the effect

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gas price immune. When I worked at Bryce

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with the economy this year, but we are

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projecting an increase uh this year um

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given our our our statistical analysis.

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>> What What can we do to help? I mean, we

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>> If that's what you're asking for, I'm

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the point that I'll draw here shortly is

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how important partnerships are. And

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certainly our partnership with the town

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of Springdale

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is just absolutely critical. And it runs

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from everything from just general

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support to u planning support to uh

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Garen's staff helping us when when we're

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tied up with an event and hopefully vice

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versa. We help uh he and his staff. All

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those kinds of support are very

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meaningful because we are compressing a

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lot of of visitors into a small space in

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Zion Canyon. Whether you're talking

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about the town or in the park, that's a

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lot of people. Just uh you know,

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yesterday we had 17,000 people in the

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running 24 to 25,000.

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partnerships are absolutely critical.

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Thanks for answer asking that question,

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Randy. Um Tom, could we go to the next

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one, please?

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So folks often ask us, well, what

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happens to um to all those fees that you

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all collect at the front gate? And uh

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this is I could spend three hours trying

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to explain to you how this actually

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works. Let me just say it's the federal

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government. Um things are very u uh

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there's a lot of minutia. But what we're

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seeing is actually

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in our fee collection in in some aspects

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of it we're seeing a decline in revenue

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and in other places we have potential

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for increase in revenue. And where

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that's important is helping make up that

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23% deficit.

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The problem is we can't take fee revenue

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money and and put it into park

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operations that are covered under the

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congressional appropriation.

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That's what makes it difficult. So if

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you look at the very top box on the

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right hand side where it says inter

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agency passes

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um about eight years ago uh we went from

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having a national park pass to an inter

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agency pass which applies to all federal

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recreation areas.

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When that happened, our revenue went

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down because folks weren't buying the

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national park pass here at Zion. Does

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that make sense?

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So, we've been trying to make up that

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difference.

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The top box on the left hand side is

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where we are collecting fees right here

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at Zion and that goes toward our op our

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Florida Federal Land Recreation

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Enhancement Act uh funds.

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Now, this chart is a little bit old

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because we've been seeing this decline

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in revenue.

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We're actually running a deficit

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operating our shuttle system this year.

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We project that deficit to be $1.5

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million.

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So instead of taking 65%

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out of that Zion specific entrance pass

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box, this year we're taking 86% out to

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try to make up part of that deficit. Now

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the deficit just didn't happen this

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year. it it's happened since this inter

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agency pass thing uh came on. So each

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year we've been trying to make up that

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difference and of course the contract to

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operate the shuttle system increases

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every year and so we're always trying to

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catch up and and we're hoping to do

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that. I'll talk a little bit more about

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that as we go along. But the remainder

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of that doesn't go to transportation

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um is going into this big pot there, the

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big box that says Floria funds.

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We keep 80% of that.

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20% goes to a national pot of money for

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smaller parks or parks that because of

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their enabling legislation don't collect

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fees. So there are a number of those.

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Think about Lincoln Memorial or, you

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know, uh, Independence Hall or something

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like that. U, they don't collect fees.

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So, we're we're keeping 80% of of that

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big box.

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We're required to take 55% of that 80%.

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And put that toward deferred facility

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maintenance projects.

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We're doing that and have been doing

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that. But again, if we're taking 86% off

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the top for transportation, there's not

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a whole lot left. So, um, we're we're

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trying to keep as much moving toward

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deferred maintenance as we possibly can

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because we have a $79 million

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maintenance backlog in Zion.

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Um, and that's the tricky part. And

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again, that just didn't happen over the

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last couple of years. That's happened

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over decades. As our OMs budget has

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declined,

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uh, so too does the money available for

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maintenance. Our annual maintenance need

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is about five to 5.1 million

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annually, but again, we're not getting

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that necessarily. And so eventually

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those projects or those needs become

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part of the deferred maintenance

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backlog.

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So then

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after we deal with deferred maintenance

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um then we have some funds that are

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available for other projects. The Floria

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requirements, Federal Land Recreation

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Enhancement Act,

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those funds can only be used for visitor

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uh related projects. So, um you know, we

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may pay for park brochures out of that

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uh uh handouts, uh interpretive guides,

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uh those kinds of things. how many of

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those used to come out of our MPS base

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money, but it's just not there anymore.

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So, that's

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very simple, the fee program. Now, some

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things have changed with a most recent

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congressional law called the Explore

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Act, which was passed last year, and

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it's allowing now for people to buy

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these inter agency passes online, these

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digital passes.

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But again, if we're not selling them

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here, we don't see the revenue. So we

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don't know yet because we're in our

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first year of operation of that what

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sort of impact that may have on the

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whole program.

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The other thing is the nonresident

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uh fee program which you're all I think

404
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aware of

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that has some potential to make up a bit

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of this deficit.

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Um, that program allows a non-resident

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to buy a $250

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annual pass

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or

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they can pay $100 per individual

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when they come to the entrance station.

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That's um

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been a tough thing to roll out

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as you might imagine. Um, and we've been

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in communication with, you know, tour

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bus companies and others to make sure

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that this word um gets out there and and

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they've been helping quite a bit by kind

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of um dealing with this question about

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um the $250 non-resident annual pass

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versus, you know, paying $100 per

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individual.

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And so, um, what we're seeing is that these larger tours, even smaller

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tours, they're they're getting up to

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speed with this and they're getting

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prepared before they come to to the

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park, which has been very helpful. But

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we don't know yet how that revenue is

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going to be split out. And so, um, this

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is, and the reason I bring this up is

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that this year is is going to be rather

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interesting to find out what happens by

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the end of the year with these various

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changes. And, uh, we'll be monitoring

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that quite closely.

437
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Anybody have a question?

438
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>> Are you still in this, John?

439
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>> I don't know.

440
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>> Did you say $79 million deficit in the

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maintenance fund?

442
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>> Yes. of a maintenance project.

443
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>> Okay.

444
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>> Part of the roll out of the non-resident

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um collection was that 100% of that

446
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would stay in the park.

447
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>> We've heard that.

448
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Yeah. We don't know what the split is

449
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whether it's going to be 8020 or not. um

450
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we've collected about $1.5 million,

451
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but but with any of our fee collection

452
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that goes into a central um repository

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before it comes back out to the parks

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and and if it's um the normal fee

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revenue that split 8020, then we'll see

456
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that 80, but it's usually several months

457
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behind. So, um, these are all questions

458
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that have been asked, but we don't

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exactly know how they're going to do it

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yet.

461
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>> So, Jeeoff, I've mentioned this to you

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before, but I get a lot of questions

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about why you're not collecting fees

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earlier in the day and later in the day.

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Can you address that?

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>> Yeah, it's um it's staffing issue. We're

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still not able to hire staff um other

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than emergency services folks. So, what

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we've been trying to do is focus on on time periods when we know

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we're going to have the most visitation.

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And that can vary by days. And so, we we

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have a fairly complex shift schedule. I

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mean, it burns me every day when I come

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in at 7:30 and this people are coming on

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in. We're going to catch some of those

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later. I mean, they're going to leave

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the park and probably come back in. Um,

478
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but that that's a real difficulty. And

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uh uh we've certainly have uh requests

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for for staffing um not just in fee

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collection, but in other realms as well

482
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that uh so far we haven't been given

483
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approval for.

484
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>> So, have you thought about catching

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people as they leave and charging them

486
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then?

487
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Yeah, it's it's kind of a traffic

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nightmare is is the problem with that.

489
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Um we are using a QR code um at times

490
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when we don't staff the um the

491
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pedestrian entrance. Um that's helpful,

492
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but we lose about 10% of that revenue to

493
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recreation.gov.

494
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Um but when we don't have staffing,

495
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we're definitely going to do that. We

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have volunteers that will direct people

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to utilize the QR code. So, that's

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helping some, but again, um you know,

499
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we're losing that that early morning

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revenue.

501
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>> Yep.

502
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>> And your volunteers cannot collect those

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fees.

504
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>> That's correct.

505
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>> Not a job they could do.

506
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>> Yep.

507
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>> Um to the $79

508
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deficit um or backlog, do

509
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Does that get

510
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uh how do I want to ask this question?

511
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Um do those projects ever get

512
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re-evaluated to see if they're actually

513
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still relevant

514
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>> or are we talking about things like from

515
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30 years ago that

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kind of keeps

517
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>> the fix themselves. Kyla what?

518
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>> Well I just wondered like if things

519
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aren't re I just Yeah. Like

520
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,080
>> Oh, it's a good question. And so what we

521
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do is is we update that every year and

522
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uh we do a process of uh condition

523
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assessments on the facilities. So every

524
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facility every 3 to five years gets

525
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:10,720
reassessed for what its needs are and

526
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then a project is is if it's already in

527
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the in the project list, it'll be

528
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,760
updated or it could be dropped if it's

529
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no longer needed. I mean we've de

530
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,840
decommissioned some facilities for

531
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example um and uh so yes it's constantly

532
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,440
evaluated

533
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,760
um when I um first came back to Zion in

534
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,960
2014 we did the collab terrace road

535
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,440
project you may recall

536
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,799
um that knocked our

537
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,600
at the time we had about a $69 million

538
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,640
backlog that took that back to 59 9

539
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,840
million, but then it's grown again. So

540
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,240
when we do these big projects, it helps

541
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,559
drop that back. South Campground when

542
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,279
it's completed will take that project

543
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,080
off the list, for example. In fact,

544
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,240
that's been on the list forever. Jack

545
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,000
will remember, we've been talking about

546
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,720
that in the park forever. But

547
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,360
that's the thing. We do re-evaluate and

548
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,080
update those projects every year and

549
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,000
then do the condition assessment every

550
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
three to five years. Yeah, great

551
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,640
question.

552
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,159
>> And I'm not sure are um do you have more

553
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:30,400
I'm I'm not sure where Natalie comes in

554
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,279
whether you want

555
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,760
>> Natalie's gonna come on in right now.

556
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,720
>> Okay. Um

557
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,440
>> and I'm not sure are um do you have

558
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,440
more?

559
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,159
>> No, those are all slides. Um

560
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:46,159
the importance

561
00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:50,159
now Natalie come on up. Um is how

562
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:52,080
important partnerships are. As I

563
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:59,279
mentioned the partnership with with the town is just u cannot be

564
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,159
overemphasized or overvalued. It's just

565
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:04,320
incredibly important

566
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,320
and and every dollar that that we um

567
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,559
receive in the park and uh through Zion

568
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,120
Forever's efforts, we try to leverage

569
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,159
and match grant sources and those kinds

570
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:20,960
of things. So Natalie is going to talk a

571
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,440
little bit about how we do that in some

572
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,760
of the projects that we've done.

573
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,159
>> Thank you.

574
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:27,760
>> Hi Natalie, can you just introduce

575
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,600
yourself so everyone knows who you are?

576
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,600
I I can. Well, nice to see you all. I'm

577
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,440
Natalie Britt. I'm the president and CEO

578
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,919
of Zion National Park Forever Project.

579
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:37,840
Thank you, Mayor Bruno, and to the

580
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,279
council members and for everyone being

581
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,120
here. We are exceedingly grateful for

582
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,799
the partnership. I want to tell you a

583
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:44,159
little bit about what we're doing and

584
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:45,679
how we're supporting the park, but I

585
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:47,440
wanted to piggyback off a few things

586
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,760
that Jeff was saying about fees that I

587
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,279
think are important. The fee rangers

588
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,120
that you see every day collecting those

589
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,520
fees are actually paid their salaries

590
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,120
through those fees being collected. And

591
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,200
if you think about that, these folks are

592
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,399
being paid between4 and $50,000 a year

593
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:04,640
in very difficult conditions, managing

594
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880
millions of visitors coming in. Um, and

595
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,559
for every dollar of their salary,

596
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,559
they're putting 12 back. So, it's a

597
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,120
great investment. Um, another thing too

598
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,440
with the U non-resident fee, that's only

599
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,760
being collected in 11 parks right now.

600
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,000
Um, as Jeff mentioned, there are parks

601
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,440
that don't collect fees. And I think

602
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,600
it's surprising when folks find out that

603
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,279
the busiest park in the country, Great

604
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,520
Smoky Mountains National Park, has 16

605
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,840
plus million visitors per year, um, and

606
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,600
does not collect fees in that park. So,

607
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,520
when you think of that national pool,

608
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,279
it's having to go to so many different

609
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,240
park units, battlefields, and beyond.

610
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,120
So, it's has to stretch far. Um, as Jeff

611
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,240
said, I think what's really important

612
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,000
for Zion forever, we've been standing

613
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
with the park for close to a century.

614
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,840
Um, we serve two main purposes. We're

615
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,679
the cooperating association. That means

616
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:51,679
when you go into the main canyon at the

617
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:54,000
visitors center. Um, our staff manages

618
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,080
the interpretive retail. We're also the

619
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,600
friends group, which means we're the

620
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,679
philanthropic arm of the organization.

621
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:02,320
Many national parks have two nonprofits.

622
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,399
Um, because of Jeff's leadership, he

623
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:06,399
knew having one nonprofit to serve in

624
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:07,679
both purposes would be really

625
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:09,760
advantageous to the park. So for

626
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,360
example, if you think about our retail

627
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,360
division, all the revenues that come

628
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,559
from that pay for our staff and also pay

629
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:18,640
for all of the parks, vast majority of

630
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,399
the parks education program, junior

631
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:23,840
ranger staffing, concrete to canyons, K&

632
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,159
camps, all come from the purchases that

633
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:28,799
you make in that store. If you give to

634
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,720
us philanthropically, we don't take

635
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,039
anything from that. A 100% of that goes

636
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,279
right back to the park. We also do a lot

637
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:36,960
of investing. So this year we'll have

638
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,320
over a million dollars from our

639
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,320
investments and all of that will go back

640
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,000
to the park for things that are critical

641
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,159
issues. Meaning if something happens in

642
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:45,840
the park that we don't anticipate, which

643
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,000
is pretty much every day, we can move

644
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,760
that funding pretty quickly to support

645
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,320
the park. I think this year um we

646
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,840
actually will, we're not proud of this,

647
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,440
but I think it's important to note we

648
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,880
will give more back to the park than

649
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,440
Congress. We will contribute close to a

650
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,760
11 million in aid back to Gian National

651
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Park. Last year we contributed over five

652
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,000
million. As you guys know, during the

653
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,600
shutdown that went six weeks, the

654
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,480
longest in history. Um fees weren't

655
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,000
being collected. That's something that

656
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,919
we're actually advocating for right now

657
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:16,080
with our delegation that should we see

658
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,399
another shutdown, we're hoping we can um

659
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:20,240
move Congress in a way to allow us to

660
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720
collect those fees. Close to 2 million

661
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200
was lost during that time. Zion Forever

662
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,720
in the state was certainly supporting

663
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,399
the park and the rangers to the best of

664
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:30,320
our ability, but as you know, that is

665
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,799
not not our role. Um, other projects

666
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,559
that Jeff mentioned, you guys know and

667
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,000
may have heard that we're we need to get

668
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,399
a sewer. Sewer lines are not particular

669
00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:40,799
particularly sexy, but right now we're

670
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,240
looking at the extension of the sewer

671
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,000
line all the way from Canyon Junction to

672
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000
the Temple of Sinava. You know, when you

673
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,519
go down to the temple now, you'll see

674
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:48,880
those beautiful restrooms that are

675
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,679
fairly new that are closed. And the park

676
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,799
has to pay close to 350 to 400,000 a

677
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,039
year to service those portaotties for

678
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:58,799
the visitors. It's a lot of money of the

679
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:00,320
taxpayers that's going there and you

680
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,320
have a beautiful facility that if we had

681
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,240
that sewer line could be used. You'll

682
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,720
also see that at the grotto. There's

683
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,640
almost a brand new comfort station there

684
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,640
that's have to being supplemented with

685
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,640
um portaotties. So the sewer line's

686
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,200
critical and right now we have over 11

687
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,760
million for that project. None of that's

688
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,080
federal. Um Zion Forever is working with

689
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,760
Senator John Curtis to get an

690
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,600
appropriation for three million. So when

691
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,840
you think of that stretching of private

692
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,720
partnerships, the public um aspect,

693
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,200
we're going to have a sewer line for $14

694
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,960
million and the federal investment will

695
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,399
be probably about three million into

696
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:36,080
that, not including all the great work

697
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,240
that Jeff's staff does to make it

698
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,240
happen. Um Zion Forever is funding

699
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:45,029
housing in the project.

700
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,120
» Thank you. Um Zion Forever is working

701
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,120
with the park to fund the first Ranger

702
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,679
housing. um since the 1950s at the

703
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,840
Watchmen, we've raised over $6 million

704
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,080
for that. So, we're very excited about

705
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320
that piece. So, I don't want to talk

706
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,399
long, but over a hundred years, this

707
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:02,720
organization has served faithfully. Um

708
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,399
we are so grateful to the citizens here.

709
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:05,919
Many of you are donors, and we

710
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:08,000
appreciate the support, but like I said,

711
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,840
100% of everything that comes back to us

712
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,080
goes right to the park. Um we also

713
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,519
support the park not just through

714
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,240
education condor research um all the

715
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,480
seasonals that you see. Um we fund a

716
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,000
variety of those seasonal rangers

717
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,159
through Zion Forever tribal gathering

718
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:24,080
programs, tribal partnerships and of

719
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,000
course the new discovery center on the

720
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,399
east side. Over $50 million raised for

721
00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:30,240
that project and Zion Forever raised an

722
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,480
additional 5 million um from the outdoor

723
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,760
adventure commission and we're hoping

724
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,720
that will open in 27. Um, we're also

725
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,000
working on a regional recreation

726
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,840
management plan that does head-on

727
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,080
address the concerns of the crushing

728
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,840
visitation that we're seeing and how we

729
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,600
can start to alleviate some of that for

730
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,279
the park. And that's being done through

731
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:48,799
a regional recreation management

732
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,600
planning process. Um, we will um receive

733
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,080
$1.5 million from the National Park

734
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,480
Foundation uh to fund the implementation

735
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,399
of that and a staff member for that

736
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,320
particular project as well. So, those

737
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,760
are just a few of the things that we're

738
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,760
doing. I'm happy to answer questions,

739
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,679
but our goal is to give back to the

740
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:07,360
park. And we do believe we're critical

741
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,119
to the operations of the park. We're not

742
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,119
the boots on the ground folks, but we're

743
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,639
the behind the-scenes folks that really

744
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,079
fill in the gaps when they're needed to

745
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,000
be filled. Even the new shuttle systems

746
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
that you see, we invested the first

747
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,679
$250,000

748
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,599
um into that to ensure we could leverage

749
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,159
those $33 million being invested into

750
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,399
the shuttle system. So grateful as

751
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,240
always. It all began here a hundred

752
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,440
years ago with the residents of

753
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,440
Springdale and Rockville lining the

754
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,079
streets selling um postcards to visitors

755
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,760
on Union Pacific tours to fund

756
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,079
naturalist programs and we carry that

757
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:39,760
history and that integrity and that

758
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,440
honor in everything we do today. So,

759
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,599
thank you to you Barbara and excuse me,

760
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,000
Mayor Baro um and to the council for all

761
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,679
your support of Zion Forever. We're

762
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,599
excited to host a concert here on July

763
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,919
4th with Luke Grimes. All the proceeds

764
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:53,679
from that will go directly to the park.

765
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,760
It's sponsored by Zans's Bank and hope

766
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,359
we'll get to see some of you out there

767
00:34:57,359 --> 00:34:58,880
for the concert at the OC Tanner

768
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,480
Amphitheater. So, thank you so much.

769
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,839
>> Thank you, Natalie.

770
00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:03,280
>> Happy to answer questions if there are

771
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:03,839
any.

772
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:05,520
>> I just wanted to say really quick, you

773
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,640
know, how uh critical I think it is that

774
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,599
this kind of information is shared. Um

775
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,000
especially uh you know with what you've

776
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,640
said and what Jed had had to say about

777
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,000
this, there is so much misunderstanding

778
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,560
on spending authority and a lot of

779
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,400
people when they when you tell them

780
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,119
there are millions of people pouring

781
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:29,359
through the gate, they don't understand

782
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:31,359
that all of that money does not stay in

783
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:33,920
the park. And so this is the kind of

784
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,000
information that is so critical to

785
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,880
educate people on what exactly spending

786
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,119
authority

787
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,560
>> and and and how it's applied. So

788
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,240
>> I appreciate that. But I think the thing

789
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,000
too for our park service folks, we think

790
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
of this, you know, all very localized.

791
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,359
But as Jeff mentioned, when we think

792
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:52,960
about staffing cuts, those are happening

793
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,960
at the regional and Washington levels

794
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,800
and those impact everything in

795
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,280
individual park units. Um, hiring takes

796
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,640
longer when you don't have as many

797
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,400
staff. Um, somebody that the

798
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,160
superintendent worked with last week may

799
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,240
be gone next week. And so all the

800
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,160
systems and the things that you see as

801
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,720
far as hiring, HR, um getting folks

802
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,040
background checks is taking far longer

803
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,560
than it normally would because we're

804
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,320
seeing, you know, significant changes at

805
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,480
the staffing level at the region. Um so

806
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,920
people are like just put somebody in the

807
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,599
fee booth. Um that would take an act of

808
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,520
Congress for us to make those changes.

809
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,119
Um so I appreciate you bringing that up

810
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,520
so much, Councilman.

811
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,910
>> Thank you.

812
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,079
» Are there any questions about council

813
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:37,270
reports?

814
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,079
Looks like not. So, uh, Sean Emma, do

815
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:41,040
you want to come and make your

816
00:36:41,040 --> 00:37:08,150
presentation, introduce yourself, and

817
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,720
Um, thank you very much for uh inviting

818
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,800
me up and and our board member Pat

819
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,960
Campbell. He's been doing a great job on

820
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,800
our board. Um, we got a meeting

821
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,040
tomorrow, don't forget.

822
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,200
Uh, we only have five meetings a year,

823
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,839
so it's uh pretty important to get to

824
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:27,440
those. Um, but we do a great job and uh

825
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,280
take care of a lot of stuff. I've

826
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,760
brought a few things today just to uh

827
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,000
give a quick overview of what we do,

828
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,640
especially in your community. Just kind

829
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,560
of a broad overview and then I'll get

830
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,240
right down to what we're doing here in

831
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,480
the community. But first off, we're just

832
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,119
a h a special service district created

833
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,920
in 2002 by a vote of the the people in

834
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,800
Washington County. Um, Springdale also

835
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
eventually signed up on that as wanting

836
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,480
to participate. Um, we're funded only

837
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,880
through uh property tax. That's our only

838
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,079
revenue. Um, we try to we have not

839
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,040
raised taxes since I've been um managing

840
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,560
the district. So, um, and want to try to

841
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,440
keep it that way. Um, it's also, if you

842
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,440
look at your tax roles, we're like right

843
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,000
at the very bottom usually. It's a

844
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,589
0.00002 00002

845
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,920
uh meal levy. So we're pretty low about

846
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,359
$3 for every $100,000 value is is kind

847
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:27,839
of an average and that fluctuates

848
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:30,320
depending on how many people move to our

849
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,560
area. We do get a little increase every

850
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,599
year just on growth. So the growth will

851
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,760
raise that amount that we're able to

852
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,640
collect. But um so that's that's how

853
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,359
we've been trying to fund everything. Um

854
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:48,000
right now we have about um a dozen uh

855
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,800
staffed right now for the for the

856
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,480
season. Um many of those are seasonals.

857
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,760
Uh we got four we've got five that are

858
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,480
uh full-time staff that just work all

859
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,359
year long doing uh educational

860
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:06,000
coordinating um going into schools,

861
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,680
going to events and doing different

862
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,960
things as well. So, um, this little

863
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,880
flyer here just talks a little bit about

864
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,480
who we are. Some fun facts about

865
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,520
mosquitoes. Um, tells you about what

866
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,400
mosquitoes are because a lot of the, uh,

867
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,119
service requests we get, uh, still are

868
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:24,880
people going, I've got mosquitoes

869
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,760
swarming me and we say, well, are they

870
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,480
biting? And typically those are not

871
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,160
mosquitoes. So, there's a lot of those

872
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,280
faux mosquitoes that are out there. Um,

873
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,960
so you got to be careful. So a little

874
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,720
bit about their life cycle, but it also

875
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,599
has a section on West Nile virus. So

876
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,920
that still is in our area. That's one of

877
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,000
the reasons the district was created was

878
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,000
in 1999. It came into the US and by 2002

879
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,320
it was actually already present here in

880
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,040
the area and our biggest season I think

881
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,040
was 2006.

882
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,119
But and it just cycles up and down from

883
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,200
there about how much we have in the

884
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,359
area. We have had some deaths in the

885
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,359
area because of that. We've had a lot of

886
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,240
people get sick. There's some lingering

887
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,920
um problems if you do catch it. Um so

888
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,400
there's there's always a problem. And so

889
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,520
we're more on the um the public health

890
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,520
side as well as um actually taking care

891
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,520
of the the pest side of the um mosquito

892
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,280
control. So um anyways, that's that's a

893
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,000
fun one to to look through. also talks

894
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,760
about some of the places in your yard

895
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,480
you can look and look for standing water

896
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,119
and make sure you take care of that and

897
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:42,960
uh using proper repellents and um taking

898
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,400
care of not getting bit um is important.

899
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,040
So um I want to kind of shift a little

900
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,680
bit about to some of these other papers

901
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,280
we have. I don't know if you ended up

902
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:59,270
getting those on here at all.

903
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,520
So, um, yeah, we'll start with that one.

904
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,680
State of the district. This is just a

905
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,680
page telling a little bit kind of, you

906
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,680
know, state of the union, state of the

907
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,119
state. This is the state of our

908
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,599
district. Just tells a little bit about

909
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,920
where we've been, what we're doing. Um,

910
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,240
some of the accomplishments we've had.

911
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,599
Um, and this last year we had, you know,

912
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,880
not a huge significant uh year. We only

913
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,839
had three West Nile virus pools. And

914
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:27,760
that that means that we've we've

915
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,520
collected mosquitoes. We put them in a

916
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,000
vial and each vial is a pool. We only

917
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,560
had three that were positive. Up north

918
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,160
they had over 54 human cases, most of

919
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,160
those neuroinvasive, so they affected

920
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,119
the brain and caused uh major problems.

921
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,520
I think they had four deaths as well up

922
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,040
north. Um so we knew that the uh we know

923
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,480
that primarily birds are the reservoir

924
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,839
for that um disease and them just

925
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:58,079
migrating through were going to bring

926
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,640
some of that disease as they went south.

927
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,880
So in September we ended up getting a

928
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,079
little bit of West Nile virus um as and

929
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,800
that's all down was down in St. George.

930
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,400
We've yet to date um to find any West

931
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:18,000
Nile up in the Zion corridor here. So um

932
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,200
since I think 2011 was the only time we

933
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,000
found some and that was down in a um

934
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,800
isolated pond down in Virgin. Um since

935
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,920
then we've we've hopefully been

936
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,599
controlling the mosquitoes well enough

937
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:33,839
that the numbers are down and we just

938
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:36,240
don't see the uh the disease coming

939
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,280
through here. Um, so that's been good.

940
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,240
So, this is interesting to read through,

941
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,040
but we're going to skip ahead to um

942
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,839
distribution chart. It's the I think

943
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:49,680
this little pretty one here. There we

944
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,040
go. Okay. And when I started in 2009, I

945
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,680
knew two things about mosquitoes. There

946
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,200
was two kinds. There was the one that

947
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,640
was buzzing around my ear, and then

948
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,440
there's the one I smashed on my arm. Um,

949
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,880
so I I've kind of developed from there

950
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,160
into uh loving to talk about mosquitoes.

951
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,040
This was a chart I developed even way

952
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,400
back in 2009 when I started um because

953
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,520
my uh manager loved graphs. He loved the

954
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,000
colors and and so what I did was I put

955
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,400
together a chart of everywhere where we

956
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,920
trap for adult mosquitoes and every all

957
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,160
the different species that we have. You

958
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,760
can see there's quite a list of them

959
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,200
across that top. Um those are uh we have

960
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,640
over 21 different species um that we

961
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,440
collect here in the county. Um some of

962
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,280
them way up in the mountains, some of

963
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,359
them all the way down in the lowest

964
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:46,960
parts of uh the county. Um and some of

965
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,800
them are prevalent all the way through

966
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,880
the county um in in every elevation. Um

967
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,280
so these just show some of the the hot

968
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,760
spots you would say. Um down at the

969
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,520
bottom, if you scroll down to the bottom

970
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,319
for the people back here, we do have

971
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,240
Springdale. We only have one trap that

972
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,800
we put out in Springdale. It's uh right

973
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,599
near the um Springdale pond right behind

974
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:14,319
the uh hotels there. And um we either

975
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,720
put it there at that pond specifically

976
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,720
or there's a some private property that

977
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,280
has a couple of ponds and uh one of them

978
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,640
is is not been being filled up as much.

979
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,880
So, there's some standing stagnant water

980
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,119
there and it produces quite a few

981
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:31,280
mosquitoes. As you can see there, almost

982
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,640
400 mosquitoes. Um, most of them were um

983
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,359
were a mosquito that could potentially

984
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:41,680
carry West Nile. So, we're trying to

985
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,520
keep those numbers down as low as

986
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,359
possible, but that's over a whole

987
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:47,440
season. So, 400 mosquitoes actually is

988
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,960
not that um that many to deal with. So,

989
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,440
it's it's we've done a pretty good job.

990
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,920
um before I started that would be like

991
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,160
one trap night. We'd get that many

992
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,800
mosquitoes. So hopefully we're uh we're

993
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,599
putting a dent in there on that. But uh

994
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,880
this is a fun chart to look at. Um I

995
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,359
wanted to go to a map. Hopefully there's

996
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:12,800
a map down here. This just shows um some

997
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,119
of the uh areas that we check in um

998
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,520
Springdale area. There's a few spots

999
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,400
along the river um right down by

1000
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,000
Bumbleberry there. Um some ponds that uh filled with irrigation water

1001
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
mostly just down along the river there's

1002
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,240
a few spots that uh um as the water

1003
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,800
starts to recede. Um there's little

1004
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,040
pools off to the side and I'll find

1005
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,560
stuff in there. Just the other day I

1006
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,400
found a whole pool that was just loaded

1007
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,280
with probably thousands of mosquitoes.

1008
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,800
Uh we took care of those before they

1009
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,520
hatched out and were biting people. So

1010
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,319
um and then that Springdale pond area um

1011
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:54,079
we do catch quite a few there and of

1012
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:57,839
course we put a trap there. Um the the

1013
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:01,520
other items we have the or icons we have

1014
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,040
are little hashtags are storm drains. So

1015
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,520
we try to keep an eye on all the storm

1016
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,960
drains that we have in town. Um we it's

1017
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,880
hard to find all of them. Um, so maybe

1018
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,960
I'll have to get with staff and and see

1019
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,720
if there's some that we're missing. I

1020
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,400
even cover the ones that are around the

1021
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,480
city office because they'll have uh

1022
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,359
quite a few uh larvae in them as well.

1023
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,520
So, we'll try to stay on top of those.

1024
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,119
But if we do miss it, that's why we're

1025
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,079
here is so we can um because the public

1026
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,480
becomes the eyes and ears for us because

1027
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,920
we don't have enough staff to cover

1028
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,560
everywhere all all the time. So, as

1029
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,480
people start getting bit, we like to

1030
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,319
receive those phone calls and then we

1031
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:44,640
come and check out the area and we'll

1032
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,839
survey the whole whole area. Um, one of

1033
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,319
the one one of the main things that

1034
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,079
we've had a issue with here in

1035
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,200
Springdale is um we had an invasive

1036
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,040
species come and it's this last um this

1037
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,720
last page. It's they're they're called

1038
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:04,240
the 80s Egypti mosquito. Um and you

1039
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:05,599
probably don't have that one. I don't

1040
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,599
know if they ended up getting on there,

1041
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,480
but you guys have a copy of this and I

1042
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,319
think I might have a few copies if

1043
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:16,480
anybody's interested, but uh down by

1044
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,040
what's the name of your road?

1045
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,400
>> Yeah.

1046
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,920
>> Can you view View? Okay. Right down that

1047
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,079
road there's uh they they popped up

1048
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:25,760
quite a few years ago when we had that

1049
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,000
really big rainstorm that wiped out the

1050
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,319
campground and everything uh just down

1051
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:34,000
the road from here. um had a lot of

1052
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,640
standing water in containers and buckets

1053
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,440
and and there was a lot of uh also some

1054
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,680
landscaping that had been done and and

1055
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,720
we suspect that uh these invasive

1056
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,640
species mostly out of southern

1057
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,240
California and and Arizona were probably

1058
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,880
brought in through uh mulch or potting

1059
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:58,400
soil and then they were able to um uh

1060
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,560
hatch out here and then finally get

1061
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:01,839
established.

1062
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:03,920
So, there's one little pocket. They

1063
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,720
don't fly very far. Um, but they do.

1064
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,319
They're vicious biters. They're urban

1065
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:11,040
mosquitoes. Uh, they love containers,

1066
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,920
plant pots, ornamental ponds. Uh, you'll

1067
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,520
find them in just anywhere that has, um,

1068
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,079
just as much as a bottle cap of water.

1069
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,720
Um, they can survive in. And, uh, so

1070
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,319
they're pretty prevalent. I think last

1071
00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:26,319
year I found a big trash can that had

1072
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,000
just filled up with some rain water that

1073
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,440
had poured off a roof. Um, and it was

1074
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,240
just full of full of larvae and and

1075
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,040
mosquitoes flying around. So, um, we

1076
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,640
like to find those and try to take care

1077
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,359
of them. Um, one time we did try a what

1078
00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:43,680
we call a fogging event here in town.

1079
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,119
That didn't go over so well. So, um,

1080
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,559
people weren't sure because they'd never

1081
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,720
seen that before. You know, what's this

1082
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,480
big cloud of smoke coming out of the

1083
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,079
back of your vehicle? We're not going to

1084
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:55,920
try that again. We do what we call spot

1085
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,880
fogging. So, we find an area where we

1086
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,160
we've found the uh the mosquitoes, the

1087
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,640
adults, and we just use a handheld

1088
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,119
fogger and just do that particular

1089
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,440
place. If we can't get into a backyard,

1090
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,839
that is a problem because there might be

1091
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:16,000
a source in that yard um that uh that

1092
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,559
has the lar developing and we can't get

1093
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,720
in there, then we can't get rid of those

1094
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,359
mosquitoes. So, I think that's why we've

1095
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:25,440
been continuing to see them is because

1096
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,200
we haven't been able to get into every

1097
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,040
yard in the area. Um, the state law does

1098
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,119
allow us that we could if we wanted to,

1099
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:36,640
but we're u very aware of private

1100
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,240
property rights and we don't want to

1101
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,160
offend people and have them, you know,

1102
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,680
kick us out completely. So, we try to uh

1103
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,520
try to manage that and sometimes we get

1104
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,440
them and sometimes we can't. So, we do

1105
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,079
the best we can but these are a major

1106
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,720
problem. The again the best way to find

1107
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,559
out where they are is people have to

1108
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,200
call us. So just let uh people know that

1109
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,960
we're there as a free service um as far

1110
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,200
as the treatments as far as uh just

1111
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,079
coming in and inspecting a yard. Um if

1112
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,960
you're wondering if your yard just needs

1113
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,599
um to to be looked at to see if there's

1114
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,599
any standing water, we can come and do

1115
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,119
that. Um it's no problem. I personally

1116
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,359
um cover a lot of this area because I

1117
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:22,480
also live in the Canyon corridor and uh

1118
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,119
and love it here. And so it's always

1119
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:26,880
nice to come up at least a couple of

1120
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,000
times a week and uh and uh enjoy the

1121
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,640
area up here and also get right out into

1122
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,319
the uh um the backwoods, you'd say, and

1123
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:38,880
down by the river and uh find these

1124
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,400
mosquitoes. So, all right. Um that's

1125
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,520
about all. If you have any questions,

1126
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:46,400
>> questions for Sean,

1127
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,359
>> I do have questions. Um, so when you

1128
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:51,760
treat a source and we get a rain, is

1129
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,720
there enough residue left behind that it

1130
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,559
keeps that place treated or do you need

1131
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:57,760
to do come back?

1132
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,000
>> Yes. Okay. So, there's three different

1133
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,400
types of treatments. Mostly we use a

1134
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,440
bacterial product. Um, and that's very

1135
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,400
short-lived. Um, then we have a growth

1136
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,440
regulator that's specific to mosquitoes.

1137
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,400
Um that one will last up to five or six

1138
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,280
months. Um and we usually use those in

1139
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,160
storm drains, areas like that. Um we

1140
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,400
also have another couple um of those

1141
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,240
growth regulator products that is more

1142
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,400
of a sand granule and it kind of sticks

1143
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,720
to the sides of the the cement um in um

1144
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,240
storm drains. We also um don't use it

1145
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:38,160
very often, but a um it's a mineral oil

1146
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,200
that very thin film. it breaks the

1147
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,599
surface tension of the water and it

1148
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,480
doesn't last very long but it will um

1149
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,960
the mosquitoes can't stay at the top to

1150
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,839
breathe so therefore they they drowned.

1151
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:54,240
Um we use that on a limited basis but

1152
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:57,520
sometimes um it's necessary to do that

1153
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,359
because the pupa don't feed on that

1154
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:02,800
bacteria so you have to use it for those

1155
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,359
um but then it dissipates within within

1156
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:08,559
24 hours. So, but it will possibly kill

1157
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,800
other beneficial insects. So, we try not

1158
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,000
to use that as much. So, good question.

1159
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,240
>> Answered my other question, which was

1160
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,000
are you using pesticides or are you

1161
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,760
using like the modified mosquito?

1162
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,760
>> Yeah. Do you know what I'm talking

1163
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,040
about? The

1164
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,440
>> genetically modified or the sterile

1165
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,079
mosquitoes?

1166
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:29,119
>> Sterile mosquitoes.

1167
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,960
>> Okay. the sterile um

1168
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,760
the sterile mosquito technique is being

1169
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,480
used quite widely in areas where they

1170
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,200
have these Egypt eye mosquitoes. Um if

1171
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,040
we were to use those, it'd only be in

1172
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,200
the areas where we have those, but it's

1173
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,240
also very expensive and it's also not

1174
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,000
quite as effective because we're

1175
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,599
widespread

1176
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,800
um areas. Um that's why you'd only use

1177
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,720
it for these is because they don't fly

1178
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,200
very far. uh we don't anticipate on

1179
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,040
using those. I call them microwaved

1180
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,559
mosquitoes because that's really kind of

1181
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,040
what it the technology is is they low

1182
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,319
microwave these sterilize the mosquitoes

1183
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:10,480
and then um and it's just the male

1184
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,400
mosquitoes. So when they go and breed

1185
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,440
with the females then they become um the

1186
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,680
eggs become infertile and you don't have

1187
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,760
to worry about it. So releasing more

1188
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,160
mosquitoes to control mosquitoes doesn't

1189
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,480
make sense, but the males don't bite, so

1190
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,800
they're not a a threat to the public

1191
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,400
health. So good question though.

1192
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,160
>> That's a lot about mosquitoes.

1193
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,000
>> Yeah, I love talking about mosquitoes.

1194
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,680
I'll keep you here for hours, but I

1195
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,040
probably won't do that. So,

1196
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,280
>> any other questions?

1197
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,079
>> Thanks, Sean.

1198
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,160
>> Have we put this in our newsletter? I

1199
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,839
feel like we have, but maybe this would

1200
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:47,839
be good material, like a blurb.

1201
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:49,599
April's shaking her head.

1202
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,119
>> We'd we'd be happy to put something

1203
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,920
together for you. Just uh reach out,

1204
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,680
please, and we'll send something right

1205
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,280
back for a newsletter. That would be

1206
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,800
awesome. Okay.

1207
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,119
>> I think what's most important is the if

1208
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:02,880
you have experience day biting

1209
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,640
mosquitoes, here's who you call. So,

1210
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,319
we'll we'll definitely get something in

1211
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:07,599
our newsletter that goes out to

1212
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:08,400
everybody.

1213
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,319
>> Awesome. I appreciate it. Thank you very

1214
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:11,680
much.

1215
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,920
>> Okay. Thanks.

1216
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,640
>> Okay. Next item is community comments.

1217
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,559
If you'd like to make a comment, please

1218
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:20,880
step to the microphone, state your name.

1219
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,800
If you want to make a comment about one

1220
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,720
of the public hearing items, please wait

1221
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,520
for that public hearing to do that. So,

1222
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:35,270
are there any general public comments?

1223
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,920
Looks like not.

1224
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,640
Kyla, do you want us to wait for you?

1225
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,480
>> Kella's dog needs to go home. So, okay.

1226
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,640
Um, I would entertain a motion to

1227
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,960
approve the consent agenda, which is a

1228
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,760
review of the monthly purchasing report

1229
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,079
minutes from the February 20th, March

1230
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,040
11th, April 3rd, and April 8th, 2026

1231
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,680
meetings, and proclamation 2026-05

1232
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,559
declaring May 2026 as bike month in the

1233
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,400
town of Springdale.

1234
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,040
>> Move to approve the consent agenda.

1235
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:09,760
>> Second.

1236
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,520
>> Got a motion by Jack and a second by

1237
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,640
Randy.

1238
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,880
>> India. Barbara.

1239
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,119
>> Okay. So, the first public hearing is a

1240
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,640
zone change from the Foothill

1241
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,400
residential zone to the Foothill

1242
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,160
residential zone with the workforce

1243
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,200
housing overlay zone at 120 Kosava

1244
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,119
Drive, lot 5, K-1.

1245
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,200
The applicant is Kathy Lefave who is

1246
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,200
here and the staff contact is Nile

1247
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,599
Connelly. We will be following the

1248
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,359
public hearing format on the back of the

1249
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:41,680
agenda and you can see there are some

1250
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,240
rules of order. If you're interested in

1251
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:45,920
speaking, please make sure you've signed

1252
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,680
into the meeting so we get your name

1253
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,400
right. Um, we want to limit your

1254
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,240
comments to three minutes for the

1255
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,480
interest of time. If others have

1256
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,160
expressed the same interest as your own,

1257
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,920
you may indicate that you agree rather

1258
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,240
than repeat that or you may repeat that

1259
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,440
if you'd like. Um, we prohibit clapping,

1260
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,040
booing, or shouts of approval or

1261
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,280
disagreement from the audience. And when

1262
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,040
your item is done, if you'd like to be

1263
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,520
leave the meeting, please do so quietly

1264
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,920
so as to not disrupt the meeting. So

1265
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,440
with that, we will um get a staff

1266
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,839
introduction of the item.

1267
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,720
>> Thank you. So yes, this is an

1268
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,640
application for the workforce housing

1269
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,920
overlay zone. Uh the applicant is Miss

1270
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,480
Kathy Lefay and she's applying for the

1271
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,599
workforce housing overlay zone to be

1272
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:39,359
applied to her property at 120 Kava

1273
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:44,000
Drive. Um the workforce housing overlay

1274
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,280
zone allows an increase in density in

1275
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,160
exchange for a deed restriction that

1276
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,720
limits the occupancy of the units to

1277
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:54,960
qualified households.

1278
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,040
So, those are essentially households

1279
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,920
where one member of the household is in

1280
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,079
full-time employment

1281
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,559
um within the town of Springdale or

1282
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,440
within Z National Park.

1283
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,400
Um so, Miss Lefave's current property um

1284
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,520
has one single family home. H she would

1285
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,440
like to build one additional single

1286
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,480
family home on the property. Um both

1287
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,680
would be privatelyowned homes and to be

1288
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,559
occupied by qualified households.

1289
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,040
Um this was reviewed by the planning

1290
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,880
commission uh who recommended approval

1291
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,319
of the zone change. Uh so the town

1292
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,480
council should review the application

1293
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,280
and determine whether to approve it or

1294
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,359
not. Um, Miss Lefave is here also. Uh,

1295
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:47,760
and she I think she'll be prepared to

1296
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,160
present or ask qu answer questions as

1297
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,440
well if you would like.

1298
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,839
>> Thank you, Nile. Um, Kathy, do you want

1299
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:58,079
to step up to the microphone and add

1300
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,720
anything you want to add to Nile's

1301
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,480
comments?

1302
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,720
>> Kathy Lefay,

1303
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,319
you know, I don't want to take up too

1304
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:07,839
much of you guys this evening because I

1305
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:10,960
know you've got a full agenda. Um, so a

1306
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,839
lot of what I have in term of terms of

1307
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:15,839
comments is already presented in my

1308
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:19,920
application. Um, however, I'm pretty

1309
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,079
passionate about this. I've, it's not my

1310
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:24,000
first time in front of any of you guys

1311
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,280
saying that I'm a supporter of

1312
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:32,799
attainable housing, workforce housing, for young people. I think our

1313
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:35,280
general plan speaks to the fact that

1314
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,280
part of the general plan says one of our

1315
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,920
missions and goals is to provide housing

1316
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,720
for a diverse population. We all can see

1317
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,599
that the diverse population has shrink

1318
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:50,480
within the town of Springdale and you

1319
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,720
know I'm an aged part of the population

1320
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,880
but I still happen to be working and my

1321
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,880
husband's a retired

1322
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,760
employee of Zion National Park. Um we

1323
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,079
both have given to the community in a

1324
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:07,520
number of ways. Um I know that this the

1325
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,640
character of this zone is to offer this

1326
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,520
forward to the general public. Um and in

1327
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,040
fact

1328
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,599
even though if my daughter offers to buy

1329
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,920
the second lot for a dollar we would

1330
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,480
consider that. She's also been somebody

1331
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,559
who went to elementary school here,

1332
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,640
who's worked full-time in Springdale,

1333
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,000
except for when she was a college

1334
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,119
student, and has recently um passed her

1335
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:34,960
pack test and is now part of Z National

1336
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,359
Park Search and Rescue. So, these are

1337
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:39,440
people who give and there are a lot of

1338
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,520
people in this community who give. I

1339
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:42,960
encourage the planning commission, I

1340
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,960
encourage the town council to look at

1341
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,680
creative ways to have those individuals

1342
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,680
be part of our community. I think it's

1343
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,960
very, very important. I also looked at

1344
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,599
other ways like Jonathan Zambella said,

1345
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:56,960
you know, couldn't this be accomplished

1346
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,440
with a PUD? Well, currently in Foothill

1347
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,920
Residential, that's not allowed. Could

1348
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,319
it be accomplished by, hey, your parents

1349
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:06,960
are aging? Could you build something a

1350
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,520
home to take care of the aged? That's

1351
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,440
not allowed in Foothill Residential. So,

1352
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,319
currently workforce housing overlay zone

1353
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:17,200
is the only zone that's allowed in

1354
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,240
Foothill Residential.

1355
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,160
The workforce housing overlay zone would

1356
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,359
allow a two acre parcel to put 16 units.

1357
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:29,200
I think that's way too excessive. I

1358
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,880
think it's too excessive to impose on

1359
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,319
our neighbors. I would not propose that.

1360
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:36,480
So, we're asking that our current two

1361
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,720
acre parcel be divided into two parcels,

1362
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,440
both being deed restricted. That means

1363
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,000
that we're willing to concede some level

1364
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,400
of value to our home because our home in

1365
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,319
the future should we want to sell it

1366
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:52,000
could only be sold to somebody who is

1367
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,559
either a full-time employee as defined

1368
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:57,839
by the town or volunteer.

1369
01:00:57,839 --> 01:00:59,280
We're willing to do that because we

1370
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,880
think it's important. We think it's

1371
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,799
important to have younger people as part

1372
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:05,119
of our population. It also deed

1373
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:07,280
restricts the other property. Person's

1374
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,680
going to pay the full price to build a

1375
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,680
home and that deed restricts it. And

1376
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,440
that's okay. In my opinion, it's okay

1377
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,880
because I believe in workforce housing

1378
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,599
and should I decide to sell my home in

1379
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,359
the future, I'm willing to get a lower

1380
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:24,240
price for that because I believe in it.

1381
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,549
Um,

1382
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,079
I've lost my train of thought

1383
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:31,920
completely.

1384
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,079
Um, I guess I would, you know,

1385
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,960
precedent. Would this set a precedent?

1386
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,680
Um, currently I think the only Foothill

1387
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,920
residential application that's been

1388
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,559
approved was at um the Benton Spur. Um,

1389
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,720
I hope it sets a precedent that if in

1390
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,640
Foothill Residential we consider this in

1391
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:55,520
the future that it's small, it's not 16

1392
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,960
units on a twoacre parcel. Also, the

1393
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,599
application already states that we meet

1394
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,280
all the requirements. The lot won't be

1395
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,680
on a ridge line.

1396
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,200
There's a number of things that it it

1397
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,040
can't. We've already done did a poll

1398
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,880
test with the town to make sure that it

1399
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,359
does not create a high visual lot. It

1400
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:15,760
will not. The home built on the second

1401
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,640
lot will be a one-story home so as not

1402
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,319
to be in the viewshot of neighbors. our

1403
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:24,160
closest neighbor has written a letter in

1404
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,000
support of um I think Jonathan Zambellis

1405
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,160
was the only one that could be construed

1406
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,960
as somewhat hey maybe we should look at

1407
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,799
and that was his suggestion that what

1408
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:38,160
about a PUD but that's not allowed. Um

1409
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,640
so in instead of just rereading my

1410
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,960
entire application do you guys have

1411
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,680
questions for me?

1412
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:51,119
>> I have a question for now. Um,

1413
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:53,520
so their existing home, if they get this

1414
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,040
workforce housing overlay zone for this

1415
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,839
section that's

1416
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:02,000
partitioned off,

1417
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,319
does the code require or does the

1418
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:06,799
ordinance require them to have their

1419
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:10,319
existing home as workforce housing?

1420
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:12,880
Yes, it would it would apply the overlay

1421
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,440
zone to the whole property and which

1422
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,079
would deed restrict the whole thing. So,

1423
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:19,359
both homes.

1424
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:24,960
>> Okay. So, in order in doing this, it the overlay zone

1425
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,720
applies to the whole property, not just

1426
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,920
to the property they're subdividing off.

1427
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,440
>> Not just to the new the new home, but

1428
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,200
the existing home would be deed

1429
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,200
restricted as well. And we'd be applying

1430
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,720
the zone before the property is

1431
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,559
subdivided, right? So it would be on

1432
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:41,280
that entire

1433
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,720
>> That's correct. So the first step would

1434
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,960
be applying the overlay zone and then it

1435
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,920
would have to be subdivided and then the

1436
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,799
they would both have that overlay zone

1437
01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:53,280
>> and we're willing to comply with all the

1438
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,039
requirements of that deed restriction.

1439
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:58,960
>> But I guess my question is

1440
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,799
and maybe you you answered it. I mean

1441
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,799
you couldn't subdivide it and then apply

1442
01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:06,480
it to just the new parcel.

1443
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,720
No, because

1444
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,760
the lot is not big enough to subdivide

1445
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,559
without having the overlay zone on it.

1446
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:15,599
>> Yeah.

1447
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,240
>> And we realize it's a give. It's a big

1448
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,760
give,

1449
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,359
but we we realize it's a big gift,

1450
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:26,160
>> but we're asking for a gift. And I think

1451
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,359
that sometimes you have to give

1452
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:30,000
something to to ask for concession, and

1453
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,319
we're willing to do that. I plan to live

1454
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:36,789
and die in Springdale, so

1455
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:38,720
Any other questions for either Nyall or

1456
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,599
Kathy from from

1457
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:43,359
council?

1458
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:45,280
If not, then we'll open for any

1459
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,119
clarifying questions from the audience.

1460
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:48,720
That would be just clarifying questions

1461
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,920
and we'll take comments later.

1462
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,480
Looks like there are none. So, I'd

1463
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,000
entertain a motion to open public

1464
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,359
hearing.

1465
01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:01,359
>> Move that we open the public hearing.

1466
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:03,440
Got a motion by Kyla and a second by

1467
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:04,960
let's say Jack

1468
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,240
>> and I Randy.

1469
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,960
>> Barbara I

1470
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,359
>> we're open for um public comments. It

1471
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:13,440
does not have to be a question. Please

1472
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,119
limit your time to less than three

1473
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,880
minutes and state your name at the

1474
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:25,109
microphone.

1475
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:28,400
N Benson, I just want to say that uh

1476
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,839
although I do have a lot of problems

1477
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:31,760
with this overlay zone, I think this

1478
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,920
application is fantastic and uh the

1479
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,119
neighbors have, you know, given their

1480
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:41,039
support and I think that's definitely a

1481
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:44,160
positive for this and I uh I support the

1482
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,599
proposal. Thanks.

1483
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,589
>> Thank you.

1484
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:53,349
Anyone else?

1485
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:56,160
If not, we will I'd entertain a motion

1486
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,720
to close public hearing.

1487
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,960
>> And will we close the public hearing?

1488
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:01,680
>> Second.

1489
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,000
>> Motion by Randy, second by Pat.

1490
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:04,720
>> Randy,

1491
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,720
>> Barbara,

1492
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:07,839
>> I.

1493
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:10,079
>> And we would allow a response from you,

1494
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:11,760
Kathy, now, but there was really

1495
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,359
probably nothing said that you want to

1496
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:15,280
respond to, so we'll skip that if that's

1497
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,799
all right.

1498
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:21,039
>> Okay. So, we're in deliberation now.

1499
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:25,760
So, I have been

1500
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,880
pushing workforce housing.

1501
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,839
I still think it's a shame that we

1502
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:35,359
didn't have workforce housing or the

1503
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:37,520
ADUs

1504
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,559
uh in the foothill residential zone

1505
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:43,680
under a workforce housing

1506
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,760
stipulation restriction. But I totally

1507
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,799
support this. This is, you know, it's a,

1508
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:53,359
as Kathy says, it's a huge gift for them

1509
01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:56,960
to give up uh the

1510
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,240
retail market value of their home in

1511
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,280
order to do this. So, I think this is

1512
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,270
awesome

1513
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:11,119
» and and I I I live where I'm looking

1514
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,760
down on their property.

1515
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,799
I think it's kind of interesting to see

1516
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:19,280
how the workforce housing overlay zone

1517
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,280
will evolve and what creative solutions

1518
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,240
come out of it and this is one of them.

1519
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,400
Um and I think you know we have all said

1520
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,760
in the past that there isn't one answer

1521
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,920
to addressing uh workforce housing in um

1522
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,079
Springdale. It's going to be a number of

1523
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:40,720
different approaches and I think this is

1524
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,920
definitely in concert with that and um I

1525
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,520
can certainly support it.

1526
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,359
>> I agree. Um two houses on a 2 acre

1527
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:54,079
parcel even if there are slopes. I mean

1528
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:56,079
this the slopes maybe come into

1529
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:57,920
consideration when we're talking about

1530
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,319
density but still to the eye it's going

1531
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:03,839
to look like a twoacre parcel. Um, I

1532
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:05,680
think the application shows the

1533
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,000
restraint that uh and fitting in with

1534
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,559
the character of the the current

1535
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,319
neighborhood and respecting the

1536
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:13,359
neighbors and the traffic

1537
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:18,319
considerations. Um, I do think that the

1538
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,080
application is supported by the general

1539
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,880
plan, um, in several sections of the

1540
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,480
general plan and making sure that we

1541
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:26,960
have a diversity of people that can live

1542
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,600
here and and you know, kind of the same

1543
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,319
old drum that we beat when we talk about

1544
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:38,000
workforce housing. and the the fact that

1545
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,080
you know this applicant is

1546
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:47,279
coming to us with this this idea under

1547
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,359
well

1548
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,679
with some self-sacrifice.

1549
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:53,920
you know, the fact that their own

1550
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,159
property

1551
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:58,159
will be under the workforce housing

1552
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:01,600
restriction. And like um she mentioned,

1553
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:10,000
probably that's going to come with a bit of a uh downfall in the price that

1554
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,520
they'll be able to get for that price.

1555
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,279
But I think it's very altruistic of

1556
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,679
them. Uh I like the application and I

1557
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:18,319
think it would be a good fit for the

1558
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,590
neighborhood.

1559
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,480
My concern with workforce housing

1560
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:27,359
has always been the size, how it how it

1561
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:32,880
could uh explode. Um, and I think Mr. V

1562
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,080
has done an excellent job of of

1563
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,679
keeping things uh contained. It's not

1564
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:42,560
huge. It serves a purpose. I thought the

1565
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,040
application was excellent. Um, and this

1566
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,960
would be one time when although I wasn't

1567
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,640
a big fan of workforce housing when it

1568
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,440
first came out,

1569
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:53,359
this changes my mind a little bit. I

1570
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,640
think you've done a nice job actually.

1571
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,480
>> I agree. And I think that the fact that

1572
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,080
this is the second application in the

1573
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,480
Foothill Residential Zone and both have

1574
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,840
been absolutely appropriate

1575
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,719
um styles and amounts of housing for the

1576
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:10,480
zone. I think it it does tell us that

1577
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:12,560
we're on to something here. And I think

1578
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,960
there will be areas where 16 units per

1579
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,120
acre may be appropriate, but I don't

1580
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:18,640
think there will be many of those in the

1581
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,159
town of Springdale. So, I appreciate

1582
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:21,679
that

1583
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:24,480
nobody yet has tried to to max that out

1584
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,480
and I can support this, especially given

1585
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:29,120
that when we look at our our staff

1586
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,840
report, um she's complaining and all the

1587
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,320
requirements. So, seems like we're ready

1588
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,080
for a motion if somebody wants to make

1589
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:41,030
one.

1590
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,679
Okay, I'll do it.

1591
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:47,520
Um, the town council approves the zone

1592
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,520
change

1593
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,159
Oh, okay. Hold on. Zone change amendment

1594
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:54,320
application which would apply the

1595
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,600
workforce housing overlay zone to the

1596
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:02,880
property at 120 Kennesa Drive. Um, the

1597
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,320
motion is based on the following

1598
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:08,080
findings. This zone change meets the

1599
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,040
criteria for a zone change because it

1600
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,440
furthers the goals and objectives of the

1601
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,440
general plan

1602
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:20,800
um in the goals of housing general goal

1603
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,800
and sub goal A and sub goal B which I

1604
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,239
know I probably read those if somebody

1605
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:31,920
wants to do that.

1606
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,400
>> Would you like those in there?

1607
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,239
>> Yes. If maybe we can. Yeah, just say

1608
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:38,480
that

1609
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:39,920
>> you said sub goals

1610
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,080
>> A and B, the general goal and then sub

1611
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,470
goal A and sub goal B.

1612
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:50,470
» I'll second.

1613
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,320
» So we've got a motion by Kyla and a

1614
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,440
second by Randy

1615
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:54,000
>> and I.

1616
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:54,640
>> India.

1617
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:55,840
>> Barbara.

1618
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:56,560
>> Jack I.

1619
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,000
>> Kyla I.

1620
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,679
>> Okay. Passes.

1621
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:04,640
The next item is also a public hearing.

1622
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,719
It's public hearing ordinance 2026-08

1623
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:10,800
review of land use ordinance amendment

1624
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,440
application from null Benson proposing

1625
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:17,360
an amendment to section 10-18-4

1626
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,760
of the town code. The proposed amendment

1627
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,760
would introduce tiered minimum landscape

1628
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,320
and open space requirements based on the

1629
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,159
property size in the village commercial

1630
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:28,480
zone. And the staff contact is Nyall

1631
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:30,800
Connelly and Nyall we will start with

1632
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,679
your introduction and explanation.

1633
01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:37,679
Thank you. Um, so Mr. Null Benson has

1634
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:39,679
made an application for a land use

1635
01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:43,360
ordinance ordinance amendment. Um, so

1636
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,600
the these applications don't come up

1637
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,000
very frequently, but it's where a a

1638
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,520
member of the public can make an

1639
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,440
application for a revision to the code.

1640
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:58,159
Um, and so that's what this is. Um the

1641
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,560
proposal is that the minimum landscape

1642
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,719
requirements in the village commercial

1643
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:06,080
zone be adjusted to introduce a tiered

1644
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,840
requirement based on the property size.

1645
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,040
So similar tiered landscape requirements

1646
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,840
exist in the central commercial zone and

1647
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,080
also in the valley residential zone. Um

1648
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:24,960
this proposal would um would introduce a

1649
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,520
taring where um

1650
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,120
properties of half an acre or larger

1651
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,640
would still be at the 60%. So that does

1652
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,679
not change. Uh properties between a

1653
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:42,480
quarter of an acre and half an acre that

1654
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,400
landscape requirement would go down to

1655
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,880
50%. And then parcels smaller than a

1656
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,440
fourth of an acre uh would have a

1657
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,640
landscape requirement of 40%.

1658
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,239
Um so the planning commission reviewed

1659
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:01,280
this. Uh they made a recommendation that

1660
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,360
this would be approved. Um there's two

1661
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,920
additional points I just wanted to flag.

1662
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,560
Um there was a discussion during the

1663
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,640
planning commission meeting about um

1664
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,120
introducing a

1665
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,120
um sort of a 5%

1666
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,679
um

1667
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:31,199
zone around the the percentages. So if you are 5% larger than

1668
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:33,920
um

1669
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,520
say the the the

1670
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,080
quarter of an acre threshold that there

1671
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,600
would be kind of a a 5%

1672
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,600
um

1673
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,920
flexibility within that area where you

1674
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,320
could have the lower standards apply if

1675
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,400
your property zone is within or your

1676
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:57,760
property area is within that 5%. So that was discussed at the planning

1677
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:01,040
commission. Um

1678
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:02,960
as I followed the planning commission

1679
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,560
meeting, it it didn't seem to make

1680
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,280
itself make its way into the final

1681
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,760
um motion, but it was something that was

1682
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,920
discussed. So you may want to to

1683
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,520
consider that. Now, um

1684
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:22,239
the other point, um so a number of uh

1685
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:25,360
public comments came through that were

1686
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,480
um that were forwarded to you. We

1687
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,719
received one just during the close

1688
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:33,600
session, so you you won't have seen

1689
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,640
that. we we weren't able to forward that

1690
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:41,120
to you, but um just very briefly.

1691
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,229
Um

1692
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:47,120
uh it was sent from Ariana and Jacob

1693
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,760
Gaye and

1694
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,159
it said in I support the proposed tier

1695
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,080
landscape amendment or landscape

1696
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,400
requirements in village commercial. It

1697
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,080
seems like a good way to help smaller

1698
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,920
properties while still maintaining the

1699
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,480
character of the town. So that that just

1700
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,199
came in uh just just during the close

1701
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:08,239
session. Um so I would be happy to

1702
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:10,159
answer any questions that you have and

1703
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:13,120
also Mr. Benson is here also and

1704
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,080
available to present and ask question

1705
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,080
answer questions too.

1706
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,840
>> So um the process is that null would

1707
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,920
present his application and then we

1708
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,239
would ask questions of either of you. So

1709
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:27,600
why don't we do that? Patel, if you want

1710
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,400
to come up and add anything that uh you

1711
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,320
want to add to what Nile said

1712
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,560
>> and then stay there for any questions.

1713
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,320
>> Well, Benson,

1714
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,360
well, first of all, the reason I'm here,

1715
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,640
sorry about that, but it's me. Uh, but,

1716
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:43,840
uh, the reason I'm here is because our

1717
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,199
family has a property that's right about

1718
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:46,640
a quarter acre in Village Commercial,

1719
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,560
and it's been really, really difficult

1720
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,520
to figure out how to improve that

1721
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,000
property. And

1722
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,840
you know, I just want to be clear

1723
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,600
though, I am not a developer. And if we

1724
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,520
end up doing something on that property,

1725
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,040
it'll be the very first time that I that

1726
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,159
I've done something like that. We're

1727
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:03,520
just residents in Springdale that are

1728
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,040
trying to create a business here. Uh and

1729
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,719
you know, something I've, you know,

1730
01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:10,640
noticed during my explor exploration of

1731
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:15,600
this property is that the code sort of

1732
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,600
it sort of directs how things can be

1733
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,360
developed on these small properties. It

1734
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,000
really really shapes what's possible.

1735
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,120
And on this particular property, there's

1736
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,719
three

1737
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:29,679
sort of ideas. One is

1738
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:32,400
under development where you're working

1739
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,320
within the the the framework that's

1740
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,000
currently in place. And everything I do

1741
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,360
when I'm when I'm trying to figure that

1742
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,199
out points me towards a bike rental

1743
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:42,480
shop, that type of thing, because it

1744
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:45,840
needs very little indoor space. And you

1745
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,320
can I know this maybe you know not

1746
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:49,679
everybody agrees but you can do that

1747
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:52,320
business without too much parking. And

1748
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,640
the other possibility would be too much

1749
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,400
development. So I could just maximize

1750
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,560
and go as high and as big and can lever

1751
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,360
and put parking underneath and it

1752
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,040
becomes sort of a passion project at

1753
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,320
that point. It doesn't pencil out

1754
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,199
because the the the cost of construction

1755
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:09,920
would be going up so much. And the third

1756
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,360
idea is just to kind of leave it as it

1757
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,159
is. And I don't know if you know the

1758
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,320
property, but it's right next to Zion

1759
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,000
Gallery, and it's not the prettiest

1760
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,600
property in town. And I would certainly

1761
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,520
like to be able to make that better for

1762
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:26,790
us and for everybody else. Uh,

1763
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,400
you know, uh, the planning commission

1764
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,239
had some concerns about the setbacks

1765
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:34,400
because the setbacks,

1766
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,000
they limit, excuse me, they limit what I

1767
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,760
could do as far as the building

1768
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,360
structure. They were doing the math and

1769
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,760
saying, "Hey, look, even if you got down

1770
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,920
to the 40% tier on this property, you'd

1771
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,360
be limited by the setbacks and you

1772
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,320
couldn't develop the whole thing

1773
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,520
anyway." And that's partially true, but

1774
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,120
there are a lot of things that you can

1775
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,760
do outside of the setbacks like patios

1776
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,080
and so forth. So, if if I was able to

1777
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,640
get down to that 40% tier, it would

1778
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,159
still be a very positive uh way to

1779
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,400
improve that property much more easily

1780
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,400
and make it much better for the town as

1781
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,040
far as what the town's looking for.

1782
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,199
Uh Nile had mentioned about the 5%

1783
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,840
tolerance. So, during the planning

1784
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,000
commission meeting, I was saying that

1785
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,400
our particular property,

1786
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,560
excuse me, is just over at least I

1787
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,280
believe it's just over a quarter acre.

1788
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,040
So even if this is approved, we would be

1789
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,520
in that 50% tile and not the 40

1790
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,840
percentile. And so what I was proposing

1791
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,960
was a 5% tolerance at the thresholds.

1792
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,360
And what that would mean is if a

1793
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,760
property was in 5%

1794
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,000
of the threshold,

1795
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,080
then you could approve for it to go down

1796
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,400
to the lower tier. So for instance,

1797
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,640
we're just over a quarter acre, but

1798
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,520
we're within the 5% of the quarter acre.

1799
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,440
So, if that tolerance was worked into

1800
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:56,080
the to the ordinance change, I could

1801
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,960
apply for that to go down to the 40%.

1802
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,120
Now, it's true that I couldn't get all

1803
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,360
the way to 40% because of the setbacks,

1804
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,360
but again, there are many advantages

1805
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,760
like patios and so forth that can be put

1806
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,520
outside of those setbacks. So, I would

1807
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,840
really like to have that considered. And

1808
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,239
I think when when we were having the

1809
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:15,840
meeting, I think Terry looked at me and

1810
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,800
said, "Hey, do you want to amend your

1811
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,280
application?" And I felt like at that

1812
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,560
time they were going to approve that 5%

1813
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,960
tolerance. So I said, "Yeah, I want to

1814
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,040
amend it." But when they made the

1815
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,199
motion, I don't believe they put the

1816
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,520
word amended into the motion, but I

1817
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,360
believe the intent by the entire

1818
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,520
commission was to allow that 5%

1819
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,640
tolerance at the thresholds.

1820
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,199
That's really about it. So hopefully the

1821
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:45,760
application's complete and thorough and

1822
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,480
happy to answer any questions. So,

1823
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:51,120
council questions for either Nyall or

1824
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,520
Null.

1825
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,120
>> I have a question um for null. Um you've

1826
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,840
done a really great job explaining to us

1827
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,480
how it would work specifically on this

1828
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:05,440
particular property. Did you investigate

1829
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,880
any other properties when you kind of

1830
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:10,719
were thinking about this code?

1831
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:13,280
>> Well, I did ask Tom if there were other

1832
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:14,880
properties that would be affected and

1833
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,480
there are other properties. I didn't

1834
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,199
exactly do the math on other individual

1835
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:21,199
properties, but it wouldn't just be us.

1836
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:24,480
There would be a benefit to other small

1837
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:26,159
village commercial property owners in

1838
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:29,040
town.

1839
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,510
>> I hear you right though.

1840
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,790
» Yeah.

1841
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,560
» At a quarter, you can't meet the 40%.

1842
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,040
>> Well, if Yeah. If you're at a quarter

1843
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:47,199
acreish and you're granted the 40%, you

1844
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:51,199
know, percentage, the setbacks do take

1845
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:54,480
up more than that. And so I think that

1846
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:56,400
was a concern for the planning

1847
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:57,440
commission. They couldn't quite get

1848
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,120
their heads wrapped around it. And I was

1849
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,040
saying, look, the structures have to be

1850
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:02,960
within the setbacks. We know that and

1851
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,120
they're locked in there. But things like

1852
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,960
patios and signage and walkways and

1853
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,560
other things can be outside of those.

1854
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,120
And even the parking in this case,

1855
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:15,120
because this property is surrounded by other commercial, it doesn't it's not

1856
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,639
next to any residential properties. Uh

1857
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:20,400
with with town approval, with staff

1858
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,960
approval, uh I could even go halfway

1859
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,520
into the setbacks side in the rear with

1860
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,360
parking. Still, I can't develop fully at

1861
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,639
40%. But again, that's okay. I'll be

1862
01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:34,239
bound by those setbacks, and that's what

1863
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:35,520
they are. But at least I'll have the

1864
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,600
latitude to do things outside of the

1865
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,520
setbacks that are appropriate.

1866
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,679
>> I mean, so part of my question for you

1867
01:22:41,679 --> 01:22:44,560
then is if you're bumped into the next

1868
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,000
tier, you're slightly over a quarter.

1869
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,040
>> 50% 50.

1870
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:49,840
>> Is that 50?

1871
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,480
>> I mean, you can't meet that.

1872
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:53,280
>> I can meet that.

1873
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,920
>> Can I can go below 50 for sure. Yeah, I

1874
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,679
can go. I applied for a variance that

1875
01:22:57,679 --> 01:22:59,199
didn't uh get approved and I was

1876
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:01,840
applying for a 48% on that one because

1877
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,840
even that extra 2% was very very

1878
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,040
valuable to me.

1879
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,280
>> So there is a mechanism in place for

1880
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,920
somebody to apply for a variance rather

1881
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,840
than than include the 5% variance as

1882
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,840
part of this change.

1883
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,840
>> I I recognizing there's no guarantee

1884
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,199
someone in the future is going to get

1885
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:24,400
the variance approved. So, so for me, I

1886
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,840
mean, if you put the 5% uh tolerance at

1887
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,400
the thresholds in the ordinance change,

1888
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:31,840
I would still have to get permission

1889
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,400
from you to be able to get down to that

1890
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,480
lower tier. I I assume so. I mean, I

1891
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:37,840
don't know how the town would want to

1892
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,000
structure that exactly. You know, it's

1893
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,000
kind of weird because this property when

1894
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,520
uh I first started looking at it almost

1895
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,280
two years ago uh to do something, public

1896
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,199
records had 0.24 acres. So, a man, I'm

1897
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:52,560
just under a quarter acre. Well, I had a

1898
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,639
survey that put me just over a quarter

1899
01:23:54,639 --> 01:23:57,280
acre, but there's been some eminent

1900
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:58,560
domain stuff that's happened on that

1901
01:23:58,560 --> 01:23:59,840
property. There's been a lot line

1902
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,120
adjustment on that property. So,

1903
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,719
if the 5% tolerance doesn't go through

1904
01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:09,040
with you guys this evening that I'm

1905
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,679
going to hire uh, you know, get a new

1906
01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:14,480
survey done to see because I pulled it

1907
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,639
up this year and it says 26 acres.

1908
01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:18,239
Suddenly, public records has changed it.

1909
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:20,159
Now, they do that from GPS imaging and a

1910
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:21,280
lot of different sources. I don't know

1911
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,239
why they redid this one, but I do think

1912
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,239
there's a chance that it might be a

1913
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:28,080
little bit smaller than they're saying,

1914
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,840
and I'll definitely pay the money to get

1915
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,560
that extra potential 10% if I need to.

1916
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,719
So,

1917
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:37,040
>> yeah.

1918
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:41,679
>> Would you go for 5% on all those zones?

1919
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:42,159
>> Would you?

1920
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:43,040
>> Sorry.

1921
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,320
>> Talking about a 5% tolerance for the

1922
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,719
0.25 to 0.5 acres.

1923
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:50,000
>> That's a great question. I mean that

1924
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,600
that's not something that I applied for

1925
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,679
in the ordinance change, so it's not

1926
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:56,239
part of my proposal. I think that's

1927
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:57,760
probably a good idea on these smaller

1928
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,400
properties in all zones. Yeah, I I I

1929
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,000
think so because, you know, properties

1930
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,280
have different shapes. They have

1931
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,280
different frontages for different

1932
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,360
streets. You know, mine's right on SR9

1933
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,120
and it has good frontage, so it's got

1934
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:13,440
those advantages. But if you're off the main highway, maybe

1935
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:15,360
you'd be less inclined to approve, you

1936
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,360
know, going down to that that lower uh

1937
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,600
threshold. if it's honest or not, maybe

1938
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:24,080
you're more, you know, more agreeable to do something like that.

1939
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,000
>> I I listened to the planning commission

1940
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,000
meeting and had to take out my old

1941
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,760
calculus book to try to figure some of

1942
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,830
this.

1943
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:34,080
I

1944
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,520
>> think I have the answer for this. You

1945
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,159
and I talked briefly before. In your

1946
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:39,840
mind, is the limiting factor on

1947
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,760
something like this, the setbacks or the

1948
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:42,560
landscape?

1949
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,679
>> Oh, the setbacks are a huge huge uh you

1950
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:48,320
know, restriction and and and issue.

1951
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,480
but they are what they are. And so I

1952
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:52,560
just felt like if I can get down into

1953
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,400
the 40s, I could do something with this

1954
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,639
property that would be viable and

1955
01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:58,400
appropriate for the general plan and all

1956
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,280
that kind of stuff.

1957
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,480
>> That was that was my conclusion. Um

1958
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:04,719
which is why currently leaning towards

1959
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:07,440
the 40%. I mean that's why I got that's

1960
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:09,040
why I got there. But you mentioned that

1961
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,920
45 might work and I don't know what

1962
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,600
ultimate difference that'll make. Couple

1963
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,280
hundred feet maybe couple hundred square

1964
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,120
feet. It's hard to say because I haven't

1965
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:18,719
done, you know, I've done so many

1966
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:21,520
scenarios and I've paid a lot of money

1967
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:22,960
for, you know, architects and draftsmen

1968
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,120
to kind of rework these ideas because

1969
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,639
there's a lot of moving parts to this

1970
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:28,560
stuff. It's not even just this thing.

1971
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,360
It's about, you know, if I put if I made

1972
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,840
the building twotory, then I could

1973
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,840
actually put landscaping partially

1974
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,239
underneath the structure and count

1975
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:39,840
towards landscaping. So, there's a lot

1976
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,760
of sort of moving parts with that. I

1977
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,120
don't want to do any of that stuff. I

1978
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,480
don't want to do something big and

1979
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:45,679
grand. and I want to do something quite

1980
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:48,159
modest and this felt like the most

1981
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:51,440
appropriate way to do it. U

1982
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:52,960
yeah, this felt like the most

1983
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,400
appropriate way. I would certainly love

1984
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,239
to have less less setbacks. That would

1985
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:59,920
be, you know, amazing, but you know,

1986
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:02,880
>> that'd be a very So, I have a couple of

1987
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,960
questions for you.

1988
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,840
One is that in our in our staff report,

1989
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,880
it says the town council's role in this

1990
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,280
case is to review the specific ordinance

1991
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,120
language that has been submitted and

1992
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,880
decide to either adopt the proposed

1993
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,360
changes or not adopt. But now we're

1994
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,400
talking about making changes to what we

1995
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,000
adopt.

1996
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,000
Are we able to make changes to what we

1997
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,120
adopt?

1998
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,639
>> Yeah. So the way um the way I would

1999
01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:32,960
recommend that you do that is that if

2000
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,560
you um because obviously he's made the

2001
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,880
application so he deserves his due

2002
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,400
process for a yes or no. If you want to

2003
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,880
amend it to introduce something else the best way probably to do that would

2004
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,760
be to ask Mr. Venson if he's willing to

2005
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,000
amend his proposal

2006
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,840
to include whatever it is and he can do

2007
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,800
that just right here and then and then

2008
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,040
you could vote on that if that was what

2009
01:27:59,040 --> 01:27:59,679
you wanted.

2010
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:01,040
>> So there wouldn't be a new application

2011
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,280
with a new fe

2012
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,800
>> because the other the other thing is

2013
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,840
that in the changes on the I wondered

2014
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,520
about the changes to the introductory

2015
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,080
paragraph. I think there's some gramm it

2016
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,400
doesn't make sense grammatically.

2017
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,520
So that could also be changed here.

2018
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,120
So it says the following chart

2019
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,440
establishes the percentage properties

2020
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:23,440
are required to be landscaped or

2021
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:26,320
retained as natural. I think what what

2022
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,239
he was saying is establishes the

2023
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,000
percentage properties are required to

2024
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,400
landscape or retain as natural open

2025
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,719
space. But as it is it doesn't really

2026
01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:36,480
make sense. We can talk about that later

2027
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:39,920
too. But the other question I had is why

2028
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,239
are the numbers what they are? Why why

2029
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:44,320
was the chart set up with some zones

2030
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,400
having different levels and others not?

2031
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,600
Do you do you know how that came about?

2032
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,760
>> I don't know the history of that of why

2033
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,960
there's there's tears. I suspect I mean

2034
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,920
the the landscape areas do make sense in

2035
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,400
that the commercial zones have less

2036
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,280
landscape than than bigger ones. I think

2037
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,800
the valley residential A and B zones

2038
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,600
those are non-compliant lots. basically

2039
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:16,239
that are they're very small. Um and I my

2040
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:17,600
understanding is that the landscape

2041
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,920
requirements is are reduced for those

2042
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,560
because they are so small and the

2043
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,960
commercial zone again the central

2044
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:26,639
commercial zone because there are some

2045
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:34,239
very small parcels. Um I think that's why there is that tier unless Tom

2046
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:36,159
you have anything else. Now there's also

2047
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:37,679
uh the idea of being able to do a

2048
01:29:37,679 --> 01:29:39,040
planned unit development in the

2049
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,159
residential zone and like in Anastasia

2050
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:43,760
for instance you have all this open

2051
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,520
space that's conserved and then you have

2052
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,520
smaller properties that you can fully

2053
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,600
develop. Same thing in Gford Park they

2054
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:50,960
have these you know smaller properties

2055
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,480
with zero setbacks but all this

2056
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,239
conservation area. So I think those sub

2057
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:56,719
zones you know lend to that possibility

2058
01:29:56,719 --> 01:29:59,120
as well. Tom, do you know?

2059
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:03,360
>> Um, yeah, plan developments are are done

2060
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,120
a little bit differently. The percentage

2061
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,880
of properties is calculated as the whole

2062
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,639
project, not on a property bypropy

2063
01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:09,840
basis. That's that's a little bit

2064
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,440
different. But as Nile has explained,

2065
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:15,280
the the VRS, VRA and VRB

2066
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,960
um variations in landscape. That's

2067
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,400
correct. As far as a central commercial

2068
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,600
zone goes, it used to be a straight 50%

2069
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,600
requirement in the central commercial

2070
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,120
zone. That's how the the code was

2071
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,520
originally drafted in 1992.

2072
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,120
A number of years ago, there was a

2073
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,239
similar thought process with the central

2074
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:33,920
commercial zone as Nile mentioned,

2075
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,920
recognizing that there are a number of

2076
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:39,600
properties that are smaller and that 50%

2077
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:43,199
applying that standard um 50% landscape

2078
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:45,280
requirement on those smaller properties

2079
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:46,719
made development of those properties

2080
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:48,000
difficult. And so the planning

2081
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,600
commission of their own initiative and

2082
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:53,360
then the town council altered the the

2083
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,600
central commercial zone landscaping to

2084
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,760
introduce that kind of tiered step. That

2085
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,080
was done maybe like 10 15 years ago, but

2086
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:01,440
it was only looking at the central

2087
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:05,199
commercial zone. So essentially what Mr. Benson is asking for is for

2088
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:07,199
that same kind of analysis to be applied

2089
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:08,560
now in the village commercial zone.

2090
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,320
>> So it just didn't come up back then. It

2091
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,159
was just a specific. Okay. Thanks.

2092
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,239
That's that's all my questions. Are

2093
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:15,760
there other questions before we open

2094
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,760
public hearing? question.

2095
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:18,719
>> Okay.

2096
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:20,480
>> No, you go.

2097
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:24,000
>> 5% tolerance. Um, for me, I can kind of

2098
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,000
see where that makes sense for the lower

2099
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,880
two tiers. Help me understand how that

2100
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,639
would apply to the top tier.

2101
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:33,920
I'm looking at

2102
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,239
>> it was Pat that suggested that, not all.

2103
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:37,120
So, Pat.

2104
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,760
>> Yeah. I'm just curious, Pat.

2105
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,600
You were asking, should it be applied to

2106
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:47,030
all three tiers?

2107
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,520
just going to take the 0.25 acres and

2108
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:54,080
say if you're 5% over that like 26

2109
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:55,760
whatever it is should that same

2110
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,400
percentage be applied to everything in

2111
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,480
that chart.

2112
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,239
>> So you're talking about going to the

2113
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:04,800
valley residential and the center

2114
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,040
commercial I think is what he's saying.

2115
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:07,760
Not

2116
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,880
>> not going up to the

2117
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,199
>> the halfacre or greater. He's not

2118
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:16,800
talking about that. village

2119
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,760
all those other words integrated

2120
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,320
>> oh ice

2121
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,080
>> he's saying they have that same leeway

2122
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:25,920
in all three of those categories on

2123
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:26,159
there

2124
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,320
>> yeah in center commercial village

2125
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,120
>> oh okay

2126
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,159
>> residential

2127
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:31,280
>> I'm not sure it makes sense

2128
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:32,080
>> so to me

2129
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:36,080
>> I mean not tonight to us but

2130
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:37,920
>> we might have the planning commission if

2131
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,440
we decide to do it

2132
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:42,800
>> yeah if we did only the if you go half

2133
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,080
quarter or smaller to me only the lower

2134
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,760
two makes sense to apply a 5% variance.

2135
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,280
>> Yeah. No, I agree.

2136
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:52,880
>> Yeah.

2137
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,960
>> Well, and and what I was going to follow

2138
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,239
up on with null is the the 5%

2139
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,159
administrative

2140
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:01,440
what do you call it?

2141
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:04,400
>> 5% tolerance thresholds.

2142
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,199
>> Okay. Yeah. Variance tolerance. I lost

2143
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:10,639
the word. Um

2144
01:33:10,639 --> 01:33:13,040
>> I think I heard you mention that maybe

2145
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,520
you thought it could that would be like

2146
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,280
a planning commission decision or are

2147
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:18,880
you envisioning this being a staff

2148
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,000
decision?

2149
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,080
>> You know, I was going to put it in my

2150
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,840
original application, but I didn't want

2151
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,560
to screw up the whole thing by putting

2152
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,040
that in there and so I I left it out.

2153
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,040
You know, the

2154
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,000
how you wanted to to do that is is not

2155
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,239
something that I've, you know, really

2156
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:39,440
thought out so much. If my thought would

2157
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:42,159
be that it maybe it goes straight to you

2158
01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:44,639
guys because or if commissioner can

2159
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:45,840
actually make the decision. It seemed

2160
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,600
kind of weird if it would go through

2161
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:51,440
both bodies again. But however the staff

2162
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,400
and you guys want it to be structured is

2163
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,639
what I'll what I'll do. So

2164
01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:01,030
>> Okay. Well, I'm just thinking like

2165
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,400
considering this that tolerance is maybe

2166
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:08,070
a new concept

2167
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,560
adding it. Yeah, maybe that's a

2168
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:10,960
discussion.

2169
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,400
>> Yeah. And that's a deliberation to

2170
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,239
>> I thought I would see what his what your

2171
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:19,360
ideas were like if you had envisioned

2172
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,280
something like this needed to go. You

2173
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:22,800
were thinking if the tolerance gets

2174
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,280
added in to your application tonight,

2175
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,920
would you want that to be staff directed

2176
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,639
across the board? They get to say if the

2177
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:37,440
person, you know, add the the 5%.

2178
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:39,199
>> It makes more sense if the commissioner

2179
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:42,639
council makes that decision in my mind,

2180
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:44,159
but I would love to be able to call up

2181
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:45,360
Nile and say, "Hey, can you approve

2182
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:46,880
this?" And he says, "Yeah, go for it."

2183
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,360
All right.

2184
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,520
>> Fantastic. Nile's like, "No, no, thank

2185
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:51,760
you."

2186
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,600
>> No, I don't think not not today. Call me

2187
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,480
tomorrow. We'll see how I'm feeling.

2188
01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:57,920
>> Did you have something to add?

2189
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,280
>> Yeah, just a few points on this. Um, for

2190
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,159
simplicity, it might be better if if

2191
01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:06,000
this 5%

2192
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,920
um tolerance is is something you want to

2193
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:14,800
go with. is maybe just to specify

2194
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,960
um like the you know

2195
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,120
specify the exact square footage that

2196
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,040
you're allowing within the code here. So

2197
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:28,960
for instance a half acre plus 5% is

2198
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,040
22,869

2199
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,679
square ft. I I I just think it it might

2200
01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:36,960
make it a little bit simpler to have to

2201
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,840
have those figures in the code. Um the

2202
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,440
other thing about if to consider if if

2203
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:46,480
planning commissioner town council

2204
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:49,920
needs a needs to approve this tolerance

2205
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,080
every time

2206
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,800
you're going to be seeing a lot of

2207
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:56,639
applications that you don't see right

2208
01:35:56,639 --> 01:36:01,199
now. So, um, it might be just something

2209
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:06,080
to consider that if you want to do it, may be better to leave it in the

2210
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,040
hands of staff just from a practical

2211
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,679
point of view because

2212
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:15,280
potentially every application we receive

2213
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,239
might want this. So, it's just from an

2214
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:19,280
administer perspect.

2215
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,199
>> Yeah, I agree. I don't see any reason if

2216
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:23,600
it's in the code that we couldn't just

2217
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,679
let staff make that decision. Are there

2218
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:27,920
other questions before we open up to the

2219
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:31,510
public for questions?

2220
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:33,520
Um, does anyone in the audience have

2221
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,480
clarifying questions?

2222
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,960
Looks like not. So, um, thank you. No,

2223
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,280
I'll entertain a motion to go into

2224
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:42,719
public hearing.

2225
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:44,159
>> Love to go into public hearing.

2226
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:44,960
>> I'll second.

2227
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,000
>> Motion by Jack and second by Kyla

2228
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,199
>> and I. Randy.

2229
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:50,880
>> Barbara. I.

2230
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:51,600
>> Jack. I.

2231
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,040
>> Kyla. I.

2232
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:54,639
>> Okay. Okay, we are in a public comment

2233
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:58,560
period. I think you all know what to do.

2234
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,239
Looks like looks like there are none.

2235
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:04,400
So, I'd entertain a motion to close

2236
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,480
public hearing.

2237
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:08,400
>> We close the public hearing.

2238
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:09,440
>> I'll second.

2239
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:13,119
>> A motion by Kyla and second by Jack.

2240
01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:14,480
>> Barbra.

2241
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:16,719
>> Kyla. I

2242
01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:21,189
>> Okay, we're in deliberation.

2243
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:23,119
I just want to I want to start by saying

2244
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:31,280
that I have absolutely no problem with what null wants to do with that

2245
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,159
particular property. I think it would be

2246
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:36,560
great to have something done there

2247
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,960
that's that's a positive and an addition

2248
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,159
to the town. I just want to and and we

2249
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:43,520
know this, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

2250
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,679
I just want to remember remember that

2251
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:48,239
this isn't about that property. This is

2252
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:51,119
changing an ordinance and there it's

2253
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:53,040
going to affect a lot of properties

2254
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,199
potentially and not just that one. So,

2255
01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:56,719
while we've talked a lot about that

2256
01:37:56,719 --> 01:37:58,320
property and what could and couldn't be

2257
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,040
done, let's look at this as an ordinance

2258
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,600
that is going to affect any property

2259
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,480
that that fits in this category and

2260
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:08,320
let's think about any other potential

2261
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,080
consequences. So,

2262
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,159
>> yeah, and I'll just follow up with that,

2263
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:15,760
Barbara, that I I that is where my my

2264
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,000
largest concern lies. I think there's a

2265
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,400
lot of merit and value in these ideas

2266
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,800
and things that should

2267
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,280
there are some good ideas here. So I

2268
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:31,119
think uh regardless of the well not

2269
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:33,920
regardless if if I think this

2270
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,239
conversation should continue maybe past

2271
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:39,920
tonight. Um,

2272
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,239
but I even think that when the planning

2273
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:44,719
commission was evaluating this, um, they

2274
01:38:44,719 --> 01:38:46,960
were evaluating it as if it was an

2275
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,679
application for a specific property. And

2276
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:53,440
I think, um, I have a lot of concerns

2277
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:55,280
because there are other properties in

2278
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,239
that quarter acre that it would apply

2279
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:00,800
to. And we have an applicant here who

2280
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:04,239
seems really committed to a smallcale

2281
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,040
development. Um, and you know, we didn't

2282
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,119
ask a lot about that tonight, but in the

2283
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:10,719
planning commission meeting, there was a

2284
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:13,119
lot of talk about, you know, keeping the

2285
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:15,360
building modest, and I think that's

2286
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,280
great, and that's actually what I would

2287
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,960
prefer to see happening. However, if we

2288
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,960
scale back on allowable

2289
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,159
landscape, the next developer may see it

2290
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:31,119
as actually the reason that they get to

2291
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:36,480
go as big, as tall and as um intense as

2292
01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:40,000
possible. And so I do have some concerns

2293
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,040
about that the fact that we would we

2294
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,320
would allow um you know make these

2295
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:52,480
allowances which which have merit and probably um would would benefit but

2296
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:54,960
that we've also not kind of followed up

2297
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:59,679
on the back end to talk about um height

2298
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:00,880
you know which has been something that

2299
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:05,360
Jack has brought up in the past and um

2300
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:09,119
and I'm not I'm that's just a concern I

2301
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:11,040
have that we could potentially end up

2302
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,920
with something that is less desirable.

2303
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,760
>> But this this ordinance change wouldn't

2304
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:17,600
impact the height that's allowed in the

2305
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:19,199
village commercial or

2306
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:20,639
>> That's what I'm saying. Like this

2307
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:23,520
ordinance change doesn't address that

2308
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,480
dense feeling and potentially having a

2309
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:28,639
property that does abut residential

2310
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:31,440
which typically village commercial does

2311
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,000
but not always. Sometimes it does and

2312
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,400
that we could be potentially putting

2313
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:40,639
more dense structures, more dense

2314
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:43,520
everything closer to residential

2315
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,000
properties. Um even though this

2316
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,080
particular property, those aren't

2317
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,719
concerns because there there isn't

2318
01:40:50,719 --> 01:40:53,040
residential um surrounding this

2319
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:55,360
property. So I'm just saying

2320
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,400
>> actually I think there is

2321
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,800
>> not across the street I guess,

2322
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:02,400
>> but

2323
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:03,360
Oh, okay.

2324
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,400
>> So, while I'm saying this particular

2325
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:13,760
code revision does not address height, I yes, I completely see that. I see that

2326
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,600
there might be compounding issues that

2327
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,520
this particular version does not

2328
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,520
address. But let me ask I mean some of

2329
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,920
the things that you're bringing up um

2330
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,400
when uh the work that was done that

2331
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,119
addresses setbacks I mean wasn't that

2332
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:30,320
done for the sole purpose of um

2333
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,199
addressing the whole density issue

2334
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:36,320
>> right the like graduated height yeah

2335
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:36,880
which

2336
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,760
>> well and set and front setback

2337
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,400
>> yeah I thought that was only in valley

2338
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,560
residential

2339
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,639
>> there's in the village commercial there

2340
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:48,400
is that name.

2341
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:49,440
>> Yeah.

2342
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:52,080
>> Well, you know,

2343
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:56,400
if somebody is in a village commercial,

2344
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:57,920
um

2345
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,560
with the ordinance as it is right now,

2346
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,560
the 6030,

2347
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:06,239
uh that in my mind is forcing them to go

2348
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:08,239
up.

2349
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:14,639
And uh you know in in changing this

2350
01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:16,880
it's kind of making it more economically

2351
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,159
viable for them to do a more modest

2352
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:23,440
uh if we change the uh the landscape

2353
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:26,480
requirements if they have a property of

2354
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:30,000
say only a quarter acres. It's we're

2355
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,760
giving

2356
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,159
we're we're

2357
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:37,360
saying we would like a more modest

2358
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:42,400
um development on your progress doesn't

2359
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:43,440
require

2360
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:45,280
>> No, it doesn't. I'm just saying in that

2361
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:46,719
position of we're gonna hope for the

2362
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:49,040
best, right?

2363
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,040
The spirit is that we're giving you more

2364
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:55,119
so that you won't go and but we haven't.

2365
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:57,920
>> We haven't said that we don't

2366
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,480
>> like we still we want modesty. like how

2367
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:04,400
are we how are we roping in to make sure

2368
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,719
we get the modesty

2369
01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:08,719
and we're not just going big.

2370
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:10,960
>> Well, we do have the option I mean we do

2371
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,360
have the option of saying you get you

2372
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:15,920
get this lower landscape if you agree to

2373
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,000
one story or something but that I mean

2374
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,920
that that isn't addressed in this

2375
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,600
application that would be starting

2376
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:23,440
again. So, we need to work with what we

2377
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:24,719
have in front of us

2378
01:43:24,719 --> 01:43:28,639
>> or have the application revised or

2379
01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:33,040
>> or what are our options? N

2380
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,840
>> what I mean like do we do we send it

2381
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:37,280
back to planning commission with some

2382
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:40,880
suggested language change because we're not talking about this

2383
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,159
property, we're talking about an

2384
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:44,159
ordinance and that's I think the only

2385
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:45,679
concern we have. We don't have a concern

2386
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:46,880
about this property.

2387
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:50,080
>> Yeah. So, I think because because the

2388
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,239
applicant has has made this, he is

2389
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:56,239
entitled to a decision um from the the

2390
01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:59,280
town council. Um I I don't think it

2391
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:02,560
would be appropriate to defer a decision

2392
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,080
and send it back to the planning

2393
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,159
commission to for them to kind of work

2394
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:09,119
it out for an undefined period of time.

2395
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:13,440
I think the town council does need to

2396
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:17,679
make a decision. I think if it's as

2397
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:21,280
presented, if it's not exactly um what

2398
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:25,280
you're comfortable with, um there's an

2399
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,719
opportunity within this meeting to to

2400
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:31,920
see if Mr. Benson's willing to to pro,

2401
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,080
you know, accept an amendment and then

2402
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,679
you could vote on that. Um

2403
01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:40,639
but yeah, I wouldn't recommend sending

2404
01:44:40,639 --> 01:44:42,480
it back to the planning commission to

2405
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:44,239
kind of

2406
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:47,440
consider things more broadly. In this

2407
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:49,760
instance, you you could make a decision

2408
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:54,080
on this and then separately give

2409
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:55,520
instruction to the planning commission

2410
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:59,119
to discuss related issues. Um but I I

2411
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:01,360
think this does need some kind of

2412
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:02,159
decision.

2413
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:05,440
>> Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I'm I'm just I'm

2414
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:09,920
trying to understand your concern, Kyla.

2415
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,080
Uh because the ordinance as it's written

2416
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,719
right now in village commercial, if they

2417
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:16,719
have a property that's less than a

2418
01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:20,560
quarter acre, they have to have 6030. So

2419
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:24,159
that in my mind means that they have to

2420
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:29,280
do something really tall and dense.

2421
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,560
Whereas if if we're cutting down this

2422
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,360
requirement on uh the landscaped area in

2423
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:39,600
the open space area, we're allowing them

2424
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,440
the opportunity to build something more

2425
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:44,080
modest. In my mind, this this this sort

2426
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,320
of says you can do something a little

2427
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,800
more modest because you don't have to

2428
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,440
really uh go up.

2429
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:53,280
>> It says you can, but it doesn't say you

2430
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,199
must. And something like parking could

2431
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:57,360
not go up. So that that would require.

2432
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,639
But I um

2433
01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:07,109
yeah, I

2434
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:09,199
struggle with is the 5% thing. I've been

2435
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:13,510
working some numbers here and it

2436
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,360
could be a mess.

2437
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:16,000
>> Maybe we just

2438
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:19,760
>> Yeah. And I I've really uh I think we're

2439
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:22,480
opening a can of worms with that that on

2440
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:25,520
all of our ordinances,

2441
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,360
you know, not just this on Oliver

2442
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,400
ordinance. We have a uh you know,

2443
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:32,719
Foothill Residential

2444
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:36,000
is either a two or five acre. It's not 2

2445
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,639
acres plus 5%. Yeah.

2446
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:40,800
>> It's 5 acres plus 5%.

2447
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,119
>> We're opening a huge can of worms. You

2448
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:43,520
do this.

2449
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,320
>> We have Yeah, we have set on all our

2450
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:50,960
ordinances. We have very set uh acreage

2451
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,679
and I I don't think we put this 5% in

2452
01:46:53,679 --> 01:46:56,719
because it's a it just opens up a can of

2453
01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:58,960
worms in our whole ordinance system.

2454
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:01,199
>> It does and it's also given him what he

2455
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:02,400
asked for

2456
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,000
>> rather than second guessing what he

2457
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,040
wants.

2458
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,520
>> You codified it where it goes a quarter

2459
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,880
acre or smaller. You'd have to do 2625

2460
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:14,320
acres or smaller. The second one goes a

2461
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:15,920
quarter acre to a half acre. Well, you

2462
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,560
have to adjust a halfacre up right now

2463
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,840
at 0.525. I mean, it's it's it's

2464
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,560
>> it also opens opens people up to a

2465
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,440
little fudging with their survey or and

2466
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:29,600
>> I'd say we just give if we're going to

2467
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,440
pass this, let's pass it as he presented

2468
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:34,480
it. But no, I would like to alter that

2469
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:36,880
introductory language just to clarify a

2470
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:38,159
little bit if you would accept that

2471
01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:40,000
amendment.

2472
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,679
>> Do do you know what I'm saying on that?

2473
01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:45,280
>> Okay. I think it should say the

2474
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,080
following chart establishes

2475
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,159
the percentage properties are required

2476
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:52,639
to landscape or retain as natural open

2477
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:55,760
space. I think that reads more

2478
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,430
correctly.

2479
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,480
» And you know, and just a general comment

2480
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:06,639
that uh I think this is very appropriate

2481
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:10,320
for village commercial because

2482
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,239
it's between valley residential and

2483
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:15,600
central commercial and it just makes

2484
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:20,800
sense to do that. So I I do think that's an appropriate thing to do to

2485
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,040
break this out that way, not just So,

2486
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:27,840
let me if if I could ask um because I

2487
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,520
think and I want to talk a little bit

2488
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,600
about the building height, which I think

2489
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,320
is a totally separate

2490
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:38,239
uh subject from what this discussion is,

2491
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:41,360
but I think it kind of brings back what

2492
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,360
we were talking about last year. and I

2493
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,119
always kind of felt like I rolled over

2494
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:48,639
too soon on it and that I I strongly

2495
01:48:48,639 --> 01:48:51,679
feel that if we're trying to protect the

2496
01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:54,880
SR9 corridor through Springdale, we

2497
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:58,080
cannot uh move forward in the future

2498
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,239
with every building being a two-story

2499
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:02,480
structure and continue to claim that

2500
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:04,560
we're trying to save small town

2501
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,119
character. And this has kind of opened

2502
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:09,920
up that thought process again on these

2503
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,719
smaller lots. Do we want have another

2504
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:16,480
conversation again on smaller lots to

2505
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:19,280
encourage more modest structures that

2506
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,760
are not twostory

2507
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:23,760
and do we want the planning commission

2508
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:28,310
to take another look at that?

2509
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:33,440
I think that if we are moving towards

2510
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:36,000
decreasing the landscape requirement

2511
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:40,080
that we should on some level make sure

2512
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:41,760
that we are going to get the kind of

2513
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,080
building we want in the village

2514
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:46,960
commercial. I know that the spirit of

2515
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:50,239
this in what Randy is saying is that we

2516
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:52,880
are giving them less landscape so

2517
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,679
therefore they don't have to go up but I

2518
01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:58,320
know we will get the developer

2519
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:00,560
who says

2520
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,239
I can still go up

2521
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:03,840
>> build as big as I can. I agree.

2522
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,119
>> Yeah,

2523
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:06,719
>> but that is a separate issue.

2524
01:50:06,719 --> 01:50:11,920
>> So it is a totally separate issue. So, right. I think that maybe if you know

2525
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,480
wherever we go with this tonight and

2526
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:16,639
it's sounding like most of us like it

2527
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:19,119
that maybe secondly we direct the

2528
01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:20,800
planning commission to kind of look into

2529
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:22,960
this

2530
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:24,800
readressing density in the village

2531
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,119
commercial zone considering these new

2532
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:29,520
amended landscape requirements.

2533
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,440
>> Maybe not density because this is

2534
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:33,920
addressing density but height.

2535
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:35,600
What did we call it when we were getting

2536
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,440
density all mixed up with not actually

2537
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:40,880
density like feeling dense? It's called

2538
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,920
uh intensity maybe. I don't know the

2539
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:44,719
height building.

2540
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:46,400
>> Well, let's let's finish this up and

2541
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:49,280
give Nola's answer and then we can take

2542
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,040
a straw poll on whether we want to ask

2543
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:52,800
planning to look at heights in the

2544
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:55,040
village commercial zone. So, seems like

2545
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,760
we're all con um agreed. Do we have a

2546
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:00,639
motion?

2547
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:03,840
>> Okay. Thank you.

2548
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,920
Town Council reviewed and approves the

2549
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,080
land use ordinance amendment application

2550
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:11,040
proposed by Mr. Null Benson which would

2551
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,320
revise section 10184 of the town code by

2552
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:16,159
introducing a tiered landscaping

2553
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:18,159
requirement in the village commercial

2554
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:22,080
zone with the following revision.

2555
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:26,000
Uh, under 10184 landscape requirements

2556
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,159
and regulations, the table will now show

2557
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:30,560
properties.

2558
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,880
Did I get this right? One quarter of an

2559
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,560
acre or larger with 60% landscape, 30%

2560
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,199
open natural space.

2561
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:40,239
That right?

2562
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:41,280
>> No,

2563
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,840
>> you could say just at the table%

2564
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,560
landscape either landscape to natural

2565
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,080
space. How's that?

2566
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:52,000
>> Half acre or greater. You said quarter.

2567
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:53,840
I said, did I say quarter? Yeah,

2568
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,360
halfacre or larger. 60%

2569
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,360
uh percentage of property is landscaped

2570
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:02,560
or natural open space. Quarter acre to

2571
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:05,280
half acre, 50%

2572
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:07,280
landscaped or natural open space. And

2573
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:10,880
quarter acre or smaller, 40% landscape

2574
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:15,840
or open natural space.

2575
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,320
>> You've got quarter in both of those.

2576
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,719
Actually, it says

2577
01:52:20,719 --> 01:52:22,080
>> less than a quarter.

2578
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:22,880
>> Yeah.

2579
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:27,520
>> So, a quarter fits in the 50 to 25.

2580
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:31,360
>> Less than a quarter fits in the

2581
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,440
>> Maybe that's a change we need to make.

2582
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:36,880
Like if it's a quarter or less,

2583
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,840
>> it's not the way it's not important. The

2584
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:41,520
way quarter

2585
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,960
>> to a to less than a half

2586
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,400
>> is 50. We're approving what was put on.

2587
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:49,679
That's what's on the chart.

2588
01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:51,840
>> That's what's on the chart. That's

2589
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:54,080
>> less than a quarter properties half acre

2590
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:58,639
or greater 60% properties quarter acre

2591
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:01,599
up to a half acre 50% properties less

2592
01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:03,280
than quarter acre 40%.

2593
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,440
>> Yes.

2594
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:07,520
>> Based on the following findings, the

2595
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:09,360
proposal supports the land use and town

2596
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,239
appearance goals, especially sub goal C

2597
01:53:12,239 --> 01:53:14,080
wherein the town council will update

2598
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,320
land use ordinances to make stays true

2599
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:18,719
to the intention of promoting mixed use

2600
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:21,199
along Zion Park Boulevard while allowing

2601
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:22,800
development that meets community needs

2602
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:25,920
and desires. It also meets sub goal

2603
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,719
economic subgoal A to enhance and

2604
01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:30,880
support small and independent businesses

2605
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,040
that are unique to Springdale and help

2606
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,280
promote the town small town village

2607
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,360
character. The town council also finds

2608
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:39,679
that adopting a tiered landscape and

2609
01:53:39,679 --> 01:53:41,199
open space framework for village

2610
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:43,440
commercial zone better aligns village

2611
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:45,360
commercial standards with existing

2612
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,119
valley residential and central

2613
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:49,199
commercial districts while maintaining

2614
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:52,000
the community's desired character. The

2615
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,760
council further finds that the scaling

2616
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:55,599
requirements by a lot size provides

2617
01:53:55,599 --> 01:53:57,920
meaningful relief for smaller commercial

2618
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:00,400
properties. Improving development

2619
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,040
feasibility and reducing nonconformities

2620
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,280
without reducing overall landscape and

2621
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:08,159
open space expectations for larger more

2622
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:10,880
impactful sites and authorizes the mayor

2623
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:12,719
design.

2624
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:16,000
>> I'll second motion by Pat and second by

2625
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:19,199
Randy.

2626
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:21,520
>> Barbara I.

2627
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:24,239
Um, Kyla. And I'm gonna vote no because

2628
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:27,840
I feel like not because the there are

2629
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,000
some details that have merit, but I feel

2630
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,679
like there are other details that need

2631
01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:35,360
to be uh addressed.

2632
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:39,119
Okay, motion passes. So, let's just take

2633
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:41,360
a straw poll. We've talked about this a

2634
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,440
few times, Jack, about whether we allow

2635
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:45,440
two-story structures on in village

2636
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,040
commercial.

2637
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:49,760
I have a problem with being able to

2638
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,239
build a two-story house and and someone

2639
01:54:52,239 --> 01:54:53,840
who has a village commercial property

2640
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:55,920
not being able to build two stories, but

2641
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:59,280
I also am concerned about the the visual

2642
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,400
on SR9. So,

2643
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:03,199
>> yeah, I mean I guess

2644
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:05,840
>> we could keep that to SR9. I mean, but

2645
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:07,920
maybe we just want to vote to we want to

2646
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:09,599
ask planning to take a look at that

2647
01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:11,840
again. Well, and I am talking about

2648
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:16,719
properties that are adjacent to SR9.

2649
01:55:16,719 --> 01:55:19,440
>> Okay. Not visible from but adjacent to

2650
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:22,639
Okay. Do we um who is in favor of asking

2651
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:26,000
planning to relook at that?

2652
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:27,520
>> Yeah.

2653
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,719
>> Let's pat you. Yes. You know, I think

2654
01:55:30,719 --> 01:55:33,360
one of the one of the things I remember

2655
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:34,960
about all these discussions about

2656
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:36,960
height,

2657
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,280
you know, we're certainly

2658
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:42,719
trying to not feel real closed in on

2659
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:45,920
SR9, but uh we also were kind of looking

2660
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:49,280
at what's going to obstruct the view of

2661
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:57,830
somebody driving down SR9 and

2662
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,760
» and that's something commission can

2663
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:00,480
handle too.

2664
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,960
>> Well, and I guess for me, I just want to

2665
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,760
say that we have now several new

2666
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:08,560
developments in Springdale that are not

2667
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,159
twostory

2668
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:12,480
that are very successful businesses. I

2669
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,119
think they've demonstrated that it can

2670
01:56:15,119 --> 01:56:18,159
be done. It does not have to be a

2671
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:21,440
two-story structure to be successful.

2672
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:25,679
And again, you know, we are we should be

2673
01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:28,159
looking out 20 years from now on what

2674
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:31,599
Springdale looks like. And so anyway, I

2675
01:56:31,599 --> 01:56:34,239
just would really appreciate us at least

2676
01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:36,800
being willing to have that conversation

2677
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:40,080
again and see if there's any change.

2678
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:43,040
>> We're not in a public hearing. Sorry.

2679
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,560
>> Nel, do you want to take that to

2680
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,000
planning commission?

2681
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:48,560
>> Yes. So specifically the the scale of

2682
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,639
village commercial zone buildings that

2683
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:52,880
are on SR9 and the height and

2684
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,199
>> the height is I think what the concern

2685
01:56:55,199 --> 01:56:55,920
is.

2686
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:56,320
>> Yeah.

2687
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,880
>> Along SR9 only village commercial.

2688
01:56:58,880 --> 01:56:59,520
>> Sure. Yeah.

2689
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:00,960
>> Okay.

2690
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,800
Let's move on. Our next item of

2691
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:05,040
business is review and possible award of

2692
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:07,840
wrap tax applications for Zion Canyon

2693
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:10,400
Art and Humanities Council building

2694
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,480
momentum with inspiring programs for the

2695
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:15,760
Canyon and Zion Canyon Arts Festival.

2696
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,800
Applicants are Lisa Zump and Adrien

2697
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,960
Gates. And the staff contact is it you

2698
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:21,760
Tom?

2699
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:25,679
>> Okay. And we've got um Lzette Buyers and

2700
01:57:25,679 --> 01:57:28,800
Dan Pacik here representing Zart. So do

2701
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,480
you want to introduce this? Sure. Thank

2702
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:30,639
you.

2703
01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:31,840
>> Is this a public hearing? It's not a

2704
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:32,159
public hearing.

2705
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:33,520
>> It's not a public hearing, but you

2706
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:35,280
you'll receive presentations from the

2707
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,119
two applicants. We also have Adrien

2708
01:57:37,119 --> 01:57:42,719
Gates on uh Zoom. Um so we'll un unmute

2709
01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:44,080
her in a second so she can speak as

2710
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:46,719
well. So you can address the uh Zion

2711
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:48,639
Kenya Art Festival. Before I begin, just

2712
01:57:48,639 --> 01:57:53,280
a a request from the clerk that if you

2713
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:55,440
could make sure, council members that

2714
01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:58,239
your your microphone is close enough to

2715
01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:00,719
pick up your

2716
01:58:00,719 --> 01:58:03,679
uh uh comments. We want to make sure

2717
01:58:03,679 --> 01:58:05,119
that they get

2718
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:09,030
>> our beautiful voices.

2719
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:10,880
» Thanks. So, uh, this application every

2720
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:14,239
year, um, the the town makes wrap tax,

2721
01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:16,800
um, available to organizations in the

2722
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:18,560
community for either cultural

2723
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,679
programming or, uh, recreation, um,

2724
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:24,800
projects. Um, the town has a policy that

2725
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:27,199
says that up to 50% of that wrap tax can

2726
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:30,239
be spent on programming, up to 50% can

2727
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:33,440
be spent on projects. Um and no single

2728
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:35,199
organization

2729
01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:39,199
awarded more than 25% of the total

2730
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:41,520
anticipated wrap tax. This year the

2731
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:43,520
town's anticipated wrap tax will um

2732
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:45,920
revenue will be $60,000

2733
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:47,280
which means that the council can

2734
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:51,360
allocate up to $30,000 on programming um

2735
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:54,320
up to $30,000 on projects and also that

2736
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,719
no single applicant can be awarded more

2737
01:58:56,719 --> 01:58:58,639
than $15,000.

2738
01:58:58,639 --> 01:59:02,960
Um also the the um council is aware that

2739
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:04,960
the town can use RAP tax for its own

2740
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:06,800
projects and initiatives without going

2741
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,360
through this process.

2742
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:11,760
And in fact we the town has proposed

2743
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:13,760
several uses of the wrap tax this year

2744
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,040
that we can talk about as part of the

2745
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:17,920
tentative budget. But what your uh what

2746
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:20,800
your action right now is is to review

2747
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:22,639
the two requests from community

2748
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:24,880
organizations that we have received for

2749
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:28,719
use of this year's wrap tax. One is from

2750
01:59:28,719 --> 01:59:31,360
Z Arts for $15,000

2751
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:32,800
um for a number of different projects

2752
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:35,360
that they have throughout the year. The

2753
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:38,159
other request is from the Zen Canyon Art

2754
01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:40,800
Festival. This is will be an inaugural

2755
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:43,119
event that is proposed and the request

2756
01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:47,199
is for $5,000 to help that um that

2757
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:50,800
project get get off the ground. So, you

2758
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:52,239
will have the opportunity to hear

2759
01:59:52,239 --> 01:59:54,000
presentations from both of these and ask

2760
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,960
questions. And then at the conclusion,

2761
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,840
you'll have the opportunity to um decide

2762
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:01,520
whether or not to fund these two

2763
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:02,719
applications.

2764
02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:04,480
>> And we'll do both at once.

2765
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:05,440
>> Both at once. Yep.

2766
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:05,920
>> Okay.

2767
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,040
>> So, ju just a a question if I may on

2768
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:12,400
this. Is is this second application

2769
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:15,440
also fit under the program and

2770
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:16,960
activities?

2771
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,199
Is that how that you would view this

2772
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:19,760
one?

2773
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:22,080
>> That is correct. and and and actually

2774
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:25,760
the Z Arts is mostly programming, but

2775
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:28,159
there's a little bit of projects um like

2776
02:00:28,159 --> 02:00:31,280
the mosaic tile things is probably more

2777
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,920
of a project than it is programming. Um

2778
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:35,760
but but yes, both of these are are

2779
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,719
pretty much in the programming category.

2780
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:41,760
Okay, so um we've got Lzette here who's

2781
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:43,840
prepared to talk about the Zarts

2782
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:46,239
application and Adrienne is on Zoom. We

2783
02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:48,800
can unmute Adrien

2784
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:53,440
and and she'll be able to talk about the

2785
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:55,760
um Zian Canyon Art Festival.

2786
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:57,920
>> Liz, do you want to kick it off?

2787
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,320
>> Um, sure. Uh, first of all, I want I

2788
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:02,639
want to thank uh the town council for

2789
02:01:02,639 --> 02:01:05,360
our previous year's wrap tax.

2790
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:06,880
>> But yes, both of these are are pretty

2791
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:11,750
much in the programming cap.

2792
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:14,719
» Um, so we've made very good use of that

2793
02:01:14,719 --> 02:01:18,880
funding. Um Lisa Zump prepare prepared

2794
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:21,199
this year's application. She did a great

2795
02:01:21,199 --> 02:01:22,000
job.

2796
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,320
>> And as part of our application, we did

2797
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:27,520
add u an interim final.

2798
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:29,199
>> You want to take it off?

2799
02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:31,760
>> Um sure. Uh first of all, I want I want

2800
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:34,880
to thank uh council for our previous

2801
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:38,790
year.

2802
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:40,480
» Yes, you do sound different there than

2803
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,400
you do there.

2804
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:46,629
If you were wondering, you did.

2805
02:01:46,639 --> 02:01:50,719
Um, all right. So, um, we do have an

2806
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:54,000
interim, uh, final report to document

2807
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:57,599
what we did with last year's funding.

2808
02:01:57,599 --> 02:01:59,920
And a good part of this year's request

2809
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:03,520
is just sort of keeping the the truck

2810
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:07,599
moving. Um, we've had very good success

2811
02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:13,760
with the our uh inaugural inaugural uh

2812
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:17,199
talent show and with um you know we've

2813
02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:20,800
seen growth with the film festival. Um

2814
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:23,920
kids loved still love the green jello

2815
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:27,119
sculptures as do the comm community

2816
02:02:27,119 --> 02:02:31,119
voters who come to the the um

2817
02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:34,719
uh St. Patrick's Day festival. Um, so,

2818
02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:38,560
uh, yeah, it's really just it's really

2819
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:41,520
helpful to get this funding given, um,

2820
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:43,199
our

2821
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:46,560
membership revenue that it's doesn't

2822
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,800
quite look like the national parks

2823
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:52,560
plummeting of funding, but it's it's not

2824
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:55,760
growing as much as we would hope. We

2825
02:02:55,760 --> 02:03:03,440
haven't quite rebounded from um, prior to the pandemic numbers. So, we're

2826
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:06,400
yeah, we're a grassroots volunteer

2827
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:10,320
organization and we deeply appreciate

2828
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:14,310
the support of the town.

2829
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:16,960
» Are there questions for Lette?

2830
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:18,880
It's a It's a great application. It's

2831
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:20,880
very complete.

2832
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:23,840
>> Yeah, I really do appreciate how

2833
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:25,920
thorough and specific the application

2834
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,719
is. Did you guys get good attendance

2835
02:03:28,719 --> 02:03:31,440
this year at the field the filmfest?

2836
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:34,800
Yes. Uh this year we had all of the

2837
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:36,400
films screening at the Bumbleberry

2838
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:40,080
Theater versus last year we had a

2839
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:42,560
feature film at the Bumbleberry and the

2840
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,679
rest of the films screening at the Cable

2841
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:50,000
Mountain Lodge. Um this year we got a

2842
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:53,119
total of 160 people come through the

2843
02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:55,040
film festival over the course of two

2844
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:56,560
nights

2845
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,520
uh or two days and three screenings. Uh

2846
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:02,320
last year we had 115 people come

2847
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:05,599
through. So an increase of about 40%.

2848
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:10,080
Um lots of very good feedback. Um we are

2849
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:11,920
absolutely planning on doing it again

2850
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:14,960
next year and we'll we'll discuss how

2851
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:22,629
that looks like next year too.

2852
02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:24,960
» Only comment I want to make um the

2853
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:26,960
application like you mentioned Kyle very

2854
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:29,599
specific. I like the fact that you say

2855
02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:31,119
here's what we're going to do and here's

2856
02:04:31,119 --> 02:04:33,599
what it's going to cost. Very specific.

2857
02:04:33,599 --> 02:04:35,199
Thank you.

2858
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:37,040
>> As you know, as as you know, as a

2859
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:43,920
nonprofit, being fiscally responsible is a good plus and we try.

2860
02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:46,080
>> Okay. So, it sounds like you've answered

2861
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:47,920
all our questions. We will listen to

2862
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,000
Adrian and then we'll make a decision

2863
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:52,159
afterward about both applications. Jen,

2864
02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:56,950
do you want to say anything?

2865
02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:59,119
Okay.

2866
02:04:59,119 --> 02:05:03,669
>> Thank you.

2867
02:05:03,679 --> 02:05:21,510
» You want to get Adrian on there?

2868
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:24,480
Um, Adrien, if you can hear, if you can

2869
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:26,400
unmute on your end now, try unmuting.

2870
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:34,870
That would be fine.

2871
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:35,679
» Hello.

2872
02:05:35,679 --> 02:05:37,760
>> There we go. Yep.

2873
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:38,639
>> We can hear you.

2874
02:05:38,639 --> 02:05:41,119
>> We We can go ahead.

2875
02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:47,669
>> Can anyone hear me? Yes,

2876
02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:51,520
» I am not able to hear anyone.

2877
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:54,950
>> Hello,

2878
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:58,159
» we can hear you.

2879
02:05:58,159 --> 02:05:58,960
>> We talk loud.

2880
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:00,800
>> If you can unmute on your end now. Try

2881
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:02,320
unmuting. That would be better.

2882
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:06,080
>> I am unmuted. Can anyone hear me?

2883
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:08,639
>> Yes. Yes, we can hear you.

2884
02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:10,320
>> We're trying to work through it. Hold

2885
02:06:10,320 --> 02:06:10,560
on.

2886
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:15,910
>> There it is.

2887
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:17,679
Okay.

2888
02:06:17,679 --> 02:06:20,320
>> So, I actually cannot hear you through

2889
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:23,360
my phone. I am listening on YouTube and

2890
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,199
I can hear you on YouTube, but there is

2891
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:29,599
a very big gap in time.

2892
02:06:29,599 --> 02:06:37,109
So, I'm not sure.

2893
02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:44,870
» I am unmuted. Can anyone hear me?

2894
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:48,790
resorting to telegram

2895
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:49,599
smoke signals

2896
02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:53,189
>> few seconds

2897
02:06:53,199 --> 02:07:04,310
» I actually

2898
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:18,629
» so I'm not sure

2899
02:07:18,639 --> 02:07:20,960
I am still here. I'm not sure what to

2900
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:24,239
do. I I just can't hear any of you all

2901
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:28,229
in my phone.

2902
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:29,040
» Trying to

2903
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:30,079
>> Are you calling her?

2904
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:41,430
>> We're texting and now we're calling.

2905
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:51,910
I think he's listening to my

2906
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:54,400
» I could FaceTime her

2907
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:56,800
>> still here. I'm not sure what to do. I

2908
02:07:56,800 --> 02:07:58,079
>> What is happening? I just can't hear

2909
02:07:58,079 --> 02:08:06,149
anyone.

2910
02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:07,679
» Do you want me to FaceTime her up here

2911
02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:13,430
and we can all talk to her here?

2912
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:16,480
» Yeah. Because So,

2913
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,079
>> and you can tell her what questions we

2914
02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:19,199
have and she can talk.

2915
02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:24,550
>> Okay. phone number

2916
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:26,400
» where

2917
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:31,109
I'm trying

2918
02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:33,119
» dial in one of these phone numbers. Dial

2919
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:36,639
in like this local 669.

2920
02:08:36,639 --> 02:08:38,079
>> It says they're listening. So, let me

2921
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:41,599
just dial I'm going to try to dial in.

2922
02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:42,719
>> Do I have

2923
02:08:42,719 --> 02:08:44,560
>> Yeah, read.

2924
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:46,880
Wait, what does that say? Oh.

2925
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:48,960
>> Oh, okay. I'm just gonna talk because I

2926
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:50,560
don't want to waste your time and it

2927
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:53,920
seems like you can hear me.

2928
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:56,079
>> Okay.

2929
02:08:56,079 --> 02:08:56,880
>> Um

2930
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:57,440
>> Okay. Yeah.

2931
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:00,159
>> Yeah. I'm gonna just present here. So,

2932
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:02,560
the reason I'm actually not able to

2933
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:06,480
present in person is that um I've been

2934
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:08,639
under the weather. I would love to be

2935
02:09:08,639 --> 02:09:11,520
there, however, and that is why um I

2936
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:13,920
wanted to submit sort of a separate plan

2937
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:17,679
today than what is in front of you. Um,

2938
02:09:17,679 --> 02:09:19,280
I'm not sure what the procedure for that

2939
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:20,719
would be. If it would be better or

2940
02:09:20,719 --> 02:09:23,520
easier for you to

2941
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:28,880
go ahead and I resubmit the proposal or

2942
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:30,159
if you would like to just have me go

2943
02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:33,040
ahead and explain what I would like to

2944
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,840
do. Um, I have spoken with some of the

2945
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:39,199
folks in town um about this previously,

2946
02:09:39,199 --> 02:09:43,840
Kendall, um, Robin, Ryan Gooler. Um, and

2947
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:45,760
so it's not a completely unfamiliar

2948
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:47,119
plan, but I understand that there's

2949
02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:48,800
procedure that you need to follow to be

2950
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:54,629
able to approve my application.

2951
02:09:54,639 --> 02:09:58,639
» My biggest question is whether

2952
02:09:58,639 --> 02:10:01,119
OC Tanner, whether Adrian has already

2953
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:03,199
worked with Utah Tech to make

2954
02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:08,390
arrangements to use OC Tanner.

2955
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:09,920
» Put that in the Telegram.

2956
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:11,920
>> Okay.

2957
02:10:11,920 --> 02:10:13,599
because I think most of it's kind of

2958
02:10:13,599 --> 02:10:14,880
self-explanatory

2959
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:15,679
>> right now.

2960
02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:17,760
>> And I hate to say it. It's not it's not

2961
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:20,079
that much of an ask, but I just want to

2962
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:21,679
make sure it's really going to happen.

2963
02:10:21,679 --> 02:10:23,760
>> But I'm also curious to know if what we

2964
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:26,159
what our packet is incorrect like what

2965
02:10:26,159 --> 02:10:29,280
are the what are the changes? What is

2966
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:30,480
the

2967
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,239
>> Yeah. What's the ask now? Is that the

2968
02:10:32,239 --> 02:10:33,760
amount that's changed or how the money

2969
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:37,109
will be used?

2970
02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:41,119
» I think for me too, I think we need

2971
02:10:41,119 --> 02:10:42,800
Okay. So, I am here. I can still hear

2972
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:44,880
you. Um, yeah, actually I have actually

2973
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:51,350
held events at the OC Tanner before. Um,

2974
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:53,599
» it's not it's not that much of an ask,

2975
02:10:53,599 --> 02:10:56,790
but

2976
02:10:56,800 --> 02:11:02,470
» so

2977
02:11:02,480 --> 02:11:06,790
what are the changes?

2978
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:08,960
» I have several questions. I just don't

2979
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,000
know that it's fair to her to do it.

2980
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:14,159
>> Sure.

2981
02:11:14,159 --> 02:11:15,920
>> Gosh, this delay is so difficult. I

2982
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:19,040
apologize everyone.

2983
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:21,599
>> Tom, do we need to do this one tonight?

2984
02:11:21,599 --> 02:11:23,199
Could we go ahead?

2985
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:24,320
>> So, now

2986
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:25,760
>> you can make a decision. Um, moving

2987
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:28,400
forward to answer your question, uh, the

2988
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:31,199
change would be simply to eliminate the

2989
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:35,920
OC Tanner, um, and have the festival be

2990
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:38,560
located in town as an art stroll or an

2991
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:42,400
art walk with businesses involved, which

2992
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,239
was always the plan, but I was going to

2993
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:46,639
get everyone on board individually once

2994
02:11:46,639 --> 02:11:49,040
I was in town to organize. my health

2995
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:52,159
issues are keeping me tied to um where I

2996
02:11:52,159 --> 02:11:54,560
live for uh insurance and doctor's

2997
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:57,360
appointment reasons, but I am able to

2998
02:11:57,360 --> 02:11:59,199
still participate in organizing the

2999
02:11:59,199 --> 02:12:00,960
festival and I don't want to cancel it

3000
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:04,400
for this year. I do want to move forward

3001
02:12:04,400 --> 02:12:06,639
um with an event that will benefit the

3002
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:10,480
town and um have done so in the past

3003
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:13,199
with uh an earth dance that we did at

3004
02:12:13,199 --> 02:12:16,639
the OC Tanner as well as a followup the

3005
02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:19,840
next year. Um, those events were

3006
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:23,119
difficult and there is a lot of stress

3007
02:12:23,119 --> 02:12:25,599
and strain that comes with the OC

3008
02:12:25,599 --> 02:12:27,520
Tanner. I think you guys all know

3009
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:31,679
probably as well or better than I do.

3010
02:12:31,679 --> 02:12:34,320
Um, I think that

3011
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:38,000
with everything that's possible in towns

3012
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:40,560
where art festivals are a centric part

3013
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:43,119
of the presentation, why people come,

3014
02:12:43,119 --> 02:12:46,079
why they travel there. Um, typically

3015
02:12:46,079 --> 02:12:48,239
there are a few more galleries than

3016
02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:49,679
Springdale has, but I think that

3017
02:12:49,679 --> 02:12:52,639
Springdale has the most incredible

3018
02:12:52,639 --> 02:12:56,000
backdrop and the most amazing um, you

3019
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:59,599
know, individuals and town character is

3020
02:12:59,599 --> 02:13:01,920
what I really would like to build up. I

3021
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:04,880
would like to have the individual

3022
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:07,599
businesses participate as they see

3023
02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:11,199
desirable with hopefully some help maybe

3024
02:13:11,199 --> 02:13:13,599
streamlining some of the approval for um

3025
02:13:13,599 --> 02:13:16,239
what might be in the way or difficult in

3026
02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:18,159
those respects. I know that parking and

3027
02:13:18,159 --> 02:13:21,280
canopy tents and um you know individuals

3028
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:23,119
wanting to do different things on

3029
02:13:23,119 --> 02:13:24,639
different properties could be a lot of

3030
02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:28,159
red tape. Um I'm willing to you know

3031
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:31,040
figurehead all of that. Um, I think that

3032
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:33,440
this would just take the amount of

3033
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:35,360
budget and time and energy for my event

3034
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:37,040
in total with the OC Tanner where I

3035
02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:40,239
would have to create a large spectacle

3036
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:43,280
um, in order to draw a crowd there and

3037
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:46,480
maintain an art festival vibe. um if I

3038
02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:50,400
do this and scale down then I think that

3039
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:55,119
I can better present a inaugural um you

3040
02:13:55,119 --> 02:13:57,679
know grassroots sort of feel while

3041
02:13:57,679 --> 02:13:59,360
everyone gets a chance to understand

3042
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:01,520
about the event and participate and I

3043
02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:03,280
think that

3044
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:04,480
although that's a totally different

3045
02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:07,440
concept um again I had intended on doing

3046
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:10,320
that along um I am not asking for a

3047
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,599
difference in the allocated funding I

3048
02:14:13,599 --> 02:14:15,520
would still be using the $5,000 I would

3049
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:16,800
just be using it directly to help

3050
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:20,159
support businesses um and the art

3051
02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:21,520
installations and events that are

3052
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:23,199
already happening in the town and you

3053
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:26,719
know throughout the year.

3054
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:29,280
Has she talked with the galleries that

3055
02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:31,280
she envisions being part of the gallery

3056
02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:34,000
stroll?

3057
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:42,709
>> Scaling down my sponsorship.

3058
02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:44,239
» There there was not a date in the in the

3059
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:46,480
packet and so we can ask what the date

3060
02:14:46,480 --> 02:15:01,510
is as well.

3061
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:05,360
arts. I'm I'm getting jello

3062
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:07,199
>> I just don't know what I'm getting with

3063
02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:08,320
this group.

3064
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:10,560
>> I have uh I have spoken with the

3065
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:12,880
galleries. I do know most of the

3066
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:14,960
gallery. I think everyone that owns all

3067
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:16,800
of the galleries I've just at least, you

3068
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:20,480
know, been acquainted. Um I

3069
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:23,920
am um actually from Springdale. If if

3070
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:25,679
any of you don't know me, I I have

3071
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:26,960
family that goes all the way back to

3072
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:31,760
Shunsburg. Um and I grew up with um you

3073
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:34,000
know, art festivals being centric to the

3074
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:35,840
way that I traveled because my dad was

3075
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:38,079
an artist. And so I always kind of

3076
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:39,520
dreamed that Springdale would have

3077
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:41,520
something like that going on. I also

3078
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:43,199
always very much looked forward to the

3079
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:45,679
events that Springdale did have going

3080
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:49,430
on.

3081
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:51,920
I have a website as well um that

3082
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:54,800
highlights all of the town's

3083
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:58,880
um existing art projects and sort of

3084
02:15:58,880 --> 02:16:01,920
highlights all of this. It's uh zion

3085
02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:09,030
canyonart festival.com.

3086
02:16:09,040 --> 02:16:10,800
» Any other questions before we

3087
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:14,950
deliberate?

3088
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:16,480
» Okay, I think

3089
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:20,560
Yeah, maybe would she be willing to

3090
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:22,400
>> if it's possible, maybe this is breaking

3091
02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:24,239
the rules. Would she be willing to put

3092
02:16:24,239 --> 02:16:26,560
together this new idea

3093
02:16:26,560 --> 02:16:27,840
>> that highlights all

3094
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:30,000
>> in the same application form? And I know

3095
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:31,119
she's

3096
02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:33,280
>> essentially omitting the OC Tanner, but

3097
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:35,760
it sounds to me like

3098
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:37,760
>> kind of a different animal

3099
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:40,080
>> and I'm wondering if that would suit us

3100
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:42,479
better to see a new application or a

3101
02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:44,479
revised application. I think that would

3102
02:16:44,479 --> 02:16:46,479
be helpful because she talks about the

3103
02:16:46,479 --> 02:16:49,519
5,000 mostly going to help businesses,

3104
02:16:49,519 --> 02:16:51,519
but what does that look like? I don't

3105
02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:54,399
think there's any clarity on

3106
02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:56,800
>> what the money will be used for and what

3107
02:16:56,800 --> 02:17:07,509
we will get in return.

3108
02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:09,280
» I don't know what that means.

3109
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:10,639
Yeah.

3110
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:12,399
>> Well, and I know, you know, in earlier

3111
02:17:12,399 --> 02:17:16,000
conversations with Ryan on this, um

3112
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:18,080
there's a lot of concern about not

3113
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:20,880
having somebody here on the ground to

3114
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:22,479
coordinate

3115
02:17:22,479 --> 02:17:25,200
>> and to follow it through.

3116
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:28,559
>> And so I I think we need more assurance

3117
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:31,439
even if it's written letters of support

3118
02:17:31,439 --> 02:17:34,080
from galleries or who businesses who

3119
02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:36,000
support this. I think we need to have a

3120
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:39,599
higher level of assurance on how the

3121
02:17:39,599 --> 02:17:41,519
money will be spent and who's going to

3122
02:17:41,519 --> 02:17:42,319
be here to call.

3123
02:17:42,319 --> 02:17:43,439
>> Um,

3124
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:46,160
>> if you can hear me, I am 100% willing to

3125
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:50,549
resubmit.

3126
02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:52,880
» Is is it necessary that we make this

3127
02:17:52,880 --> 02:17:54,960
decision tonight or can we make the wrap

3128
02:17:54,960 --> 02:17:57,359
tax decision later?

3129
02:17:57,359 --> 02:17:59,040
>> You can make it later. Um, your

3130
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:01,920
tentative budget tonight has wrap tax

3131
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:03,519
allocations in it, but the tentative

3132
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:06,000
budget is is tentative as the name

3133
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:08,960
implies. Um, and even after the final

3134
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:11,920
budget, I mean, you you the and Don,

3135
02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:14,000
correct me if I'm going astray here a

3136
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:16,559
little bit, but I mean the wrap tax just

3137
02:18:16,559 --> 02:18:18,479
stays in the wrap tax fund. as if you

3138
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:19,280
can hear me. I

3139
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:22,639
>> you can use that at your

3140
02:18:22,639 --> 02:18:25,120
>> you know if if you were to say oh yes

3141
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:26,479
later in the year even August or

3142
02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:27,599
September

3143
02:18:27,599 --> 02:18:28,880
>> there's an application that came through

3144
02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:30,319
that you wanted to allocate some of that

3145
02:18:30,319 --> 02:18:32,000
tax that wrap tax. It's just sitting

3146
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:33,120
there in an account. So

3147
02:18:33,120 --> 02:18:35,120
>> okay great. So let's go ahead and make a

3148
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:37,359
decision about Zarts and let's ask

3149
02:18:37,359 --> 02:18:39,840
Adrian to resubmit with more detail and

3150
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:42,559
the new and the new event plan.

3151
02:18:42,559 --> 02:18:43,359
>> Is that fair?

3152
02:18:43,359 --> 02:18:45,679
>> I think so. I think that really

3153
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:48,240
>> Yeah. that gives us better information

3154
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,319
to go on for Adrian's.

3155
02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:53,120
>> And I personally am supportive of

3156
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:56,000
awarding Zarts the 15,000 that they're

3157
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:59,349
asking for.

3158
02:18:59,359 --> 02:19:01,280
» Oh, yes. Later in the year, even

3159
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:02,880
>> do we need a motion for this?

3160
02:19:02,880 --> 02:19:06,000
>> Yeah. But so I I totally agree. I mean,

3161
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:08,559
I think Zarts is kind of

3162
02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:10,639
>> So, let's go ahead and absolut Sorry,

3163
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:12,240
I'm really distracted by the background

3164
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:13,280
noise.

3165
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:19,200
>> Um, let's get Winston back over here. I think Zarts is doing a great job and I

3166
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:21,920
have to disclose I am a beneficiary.

3167
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:24,319
Like I attend your events, my kids

3168
02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:27,760
attend the events. Um and I do

3169
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,439
appreciate what Z Arts does for the

3170
02:19:29,439 --> 02:19:32,399
community. I love the application that

3171
02:19:32,399 --> 02:19:34,559
it's very specific.

3172
02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:36,719
Like Pat pointed out, we know we're

3173
02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:39,599
getting some green jello and a talent

3174
02:19:39,599 --> 02:19:42,960
show and that the mosaics are going to

3175
02:19:42,960 --> 02:19:45,280
be kept up. I think that's wonderful.

3176
02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:46,000
>> That's great.

3177
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:47,599
>> Um,

3178
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:50,319
it's not glamorous work, but it needs to

3179
02:19:50,319 --> 02:19:52,960
be done. Um, so I just I appreciate Z

3180
02:19:52,960 --> 02:19:56,000
Arts and I had to disclose that I do

3181
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:56,479
benefit.

3182
02:19:56,479 --> 02:19:57,760
>> So then why don't you make a motion?

3183
02:19:57,760 --> 02:19:59,920
>> I will. I move that we approve the wrap

3184
02:19:59,920 --> 02:20:01,760
tax funding for Z Arts in the amount of

3185
02:20:01,760 --> 02:20:03,439
$15,000.

3186
02:20:03,439 --> 02:20:04,319
>> I'll second.

3187
02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:06,720
>> Got a motion by Kyla, second by Jack.

3188
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:07,680
>> I

3189
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:10,479
>> Barbara I.

3190
02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:13,200
>> Thank you for being here.

3191
02:20:13,200 --> 02:20:15,520
Okay, next item. Do we need a break or

3192
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:16,800
we want to just keep playing?

3193
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,240
>> Yeah, it's only going to get better from

3194
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:20,399
here.

3195
02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:22,560
>> Well, unless Jeff is gonna make some

3196
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:25,840
>> You just jinxed it.

3197
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:28,080
>> Okay, we'll keep going for now. The next

3198
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:29,760
item is a public hearing.

3199
02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:31,040
>> The last ones left. Is that what you're

3200
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:31,680
telling?

3201
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:34,640
>> Um, well, we got Jeff Brady Ba and Jan

3202
02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:37,600
Pacy.

3203
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:38,560
>> They deserve stickers.

3204
02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:41,040
>> The big hitters are here. Okay. Uh,

3205
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:43,920
public hearing ordinance 2026-09

3206
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:46,880
amending chapter 18, I'm sorry, amending

3207
02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:49,520
chapter 10-21-8

3208
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:51,600
of the town code relating to maintenance

3209
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:54,240
and repair of non-complying buildings

3210
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:56,160
and inserting a new section of code

3211
02:20:56,160 --> 02:20:58,880
dealing with involuntary removal of a

3212
02:20:58,880 --> 02:21:01,520
non-complying building. Staff contact is

3213
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:05,590
Nile.

3214
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:08,319
» Thank you. So,

3215
02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:10,160
you will probably remember last

3216
02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:13,439
September um being asked to interpret

3217
02:21:13,439 --> 02:21:16,319
the ordinance uh relating to the

3218
02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:21,280
redevelopment of a a property. Um and so

3219
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:24,000
arising out of that, the town council

3220
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:31,439
instructed the planning commission to improve or add clarity to the

3221
02:21:31,439 --> 02:21:33,520
definition of ordinary maintenance and

3222
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:38,640
repair as it relates to um non-complian

3223
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:41,840
structures. So the the planning

3224
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:43,520
commission have spent a number of months

3225
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:47,600
working on this. Um what they've done is

3226
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:50,640
what they've proposed is uh adding a

3227
02:21:50,640 --> 02:21:53,439
line to the definition of ordinary

3228
02:21:53,439 --> 02:21:56,960
maintenance and repair. Um to clarify

3229
02:21:56,960 --> 02:21:59,520
that ordinary maintenance and repair

3230
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:02,960
does not include extensive construction

3231
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:05,760
or reconstruction such as entirely

3232
02:22:05,760 --> 02:22:08,240
replacing exterior walls or completely

3233
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:11,439
replacing roof trusses. So that kind of

3234
02:22:11,439 --> 02:22:14,800
ties that down a little bit. Um the

3235
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:19,520
planning commission also uh have

3236
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:23,120
proposed an additional scenario

3237
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:26,160
um to be added to the code which deals

3238
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:29,760
with what uh what's termed involuntary

3239
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:31,920
removal of a non-compliant building and

3240
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:34,720
struct or structure. So this is trying

3241
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:38,479
to catch situations which are not quite

3242
02:22:38,479 --> 02:22:42,319
catastrophe level but um where you have

3243
02:22:42,319 --> 02:22:44,640
a cons uh a building that's

3244
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:47,520
non-compliant that declines over an

3245
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:51,920
extended period and um does need pretty

3246
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:55,439
extensive work that would exceed the

3247
02:22:55,439 --> 02:22:57,680
definition of ordinary maintenance and

3248
02:22:57,680 --> 02:22:59,280
repair.

3249
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:02,560
And so what what they've uh crafted

3250
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:06,240
would allow more extensive

3251
02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:08,080
reconstruction. So potentially

3252
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:10,640
reconstructing exterior walls and roofs

3253
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:14,800
and and those sorts of things. Um in in

3254
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:18,479
these circumstances uh but to to qualify

3255
02:23:18,479 --> 02:23:21,520
for that uh planning commission approval

3256
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:24,880
would be required. Approval would be

3257
02:23:24,880 --> 02:23:27,680
required before you demolish the

3258
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:30,479
structure. Um,

3259
02:23:30,479 --> 02:23:33,040
and a written opinion from an engineer

3260
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:35,680
or other suitably qualified individual

3261
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:39,520
would be required to describe why this

3262
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:43,280
is why kind of these extensive

3263
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:47,920
uh improvements are needed. Um and if

3264
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:49,920
the planning commission determines that

3265
02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:52,080
this is justified then they give

3266
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:54,640
approval uh for these kind of more

3267
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:57,920
extensive uh work or extensive

3268
02:23:57,920 --> 02:23:59,920
improvements.

3269
02:23:59,920 --> 02:24:01,520
Um

3270
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:05,680
uh minor deviations would be uh allowed

3271
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:07,840
so long as they don't increase the

3272
02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:13,120
non-compliance of the structure. Um and

3273
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:15,840
this also assumes that the floor slab or

3274
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:18,800
footings will remain that they can't be

3275
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:23,120
removed. However, um

3276
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:25,840
if there is a circumstance where part of

3277
02:24:25,840 --> 02:24:28,319
the footings or the floor slab does need

3278
02:24:28,319 --> 02:24:30,560
to be removed or replaced for safety

3279
02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:33,439
reasons, this could potentially be be

3280
02:24:33,439 --> 02:24:36,479
included in this too. So that's that's

3281
02:24:36,479 --> 02:24:37,840
what the planning commission has

3282
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:42,960
proposed. Um and um yeah it's for you to

3283
02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:44,560
deliberately upon.

3284
02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:47,040
>> So we are in a public hearing format. It

3285
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:49,520
is time now for any clarifying questions

3286
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:53,040
from council for Nile.

3287
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:57,359
>> You have one um the words reconstruct or

3288
02:24:57,359 --> 02:24:59,120
reconstruction

3289
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:00,720
redevelopment and then the next thing

3290
02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:04,319
we're going to deal with renovation.

3291
02:25:04,319 --> 02:25:07,840
I I think that they're all equivalent,

3292
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:10,160
but they shouldn't be, right? Those

3293
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:14,000
words, because you say under D may be

3294
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:15,840
entirely reconstructed, but you get down

3295
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:17,520
to E and it said will constitute

3296
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:20,800
redevelopment. So what's the difference

3297
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:22,000
between reconstruction and

3298
02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:25,110
redevelopment?

3299
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:28,319
» Yeah. So in in point D where it talks

3300
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:31,439
about um

3301
02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:34,560
building elements may be completely

3302
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:37,520
reconstructed.

3303
02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:39,439
Um

3304
02:25:39,439 --> 02:25:42,560
>> I guess what I'm asking is can in E can

3305
02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:45,120
the word redevelopment just be replaced

3306
02:25:45,120 --> 02:25:48,319
with reconstructed?

3307
02:25:48,319 --> 02:25:49,359
>> Yeah. I

3308
02:25:49,359 --> 02:25:52,880
>> because when you get to the next deal C

3309
02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:55,680
we get to C4, it really gets messy. I

3310
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:57,840
>> Yeah, that those terms are kind of all

3311
02:25:57,840 --> 02:26:00,880
used interchangeably.

3312
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:02,399
I think point D is saying

3313
02:26:02,399 --> 02:26:03,840
>> there is a difference. I don't know.

3314
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:07,200
>> Yeah, I I think point D is when it uses

3315
02:26:07,200 --> 02:26:09,359
the term reconstructed, I think it's

3316
02:26:09,359 --> 02:26:10,720
talking about something a little bit

3317
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:14,319
different from redevelopment in point E.

3318
02:26:14,319 --> 02:26:15,840
Um

3319
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:19,439
because in point D it's it's talking

3320
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:21,200
about these building elements being

3321
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:25,680
rebuilt whereas in point E

3322
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:28,640
uh where it says if you remove the slabs

3323
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:32,399
it constitutes redevelopment which which

3324
02:26:32,399 --> 02:26:34,960
triggers kind of a whole you need to

3325
02:26:34,960 --> 02:26:37,760
come back into compliance. So I I think

3326
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:40,319
in this sense reconstructed means

3327
02:26:40,319 --> 02:26:43,280
reconstructing building elements whereas

3328
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:45,200
redevelopment

3329
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:47,200
is um

3330
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:48,640
>> starting over with development

3331
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:50,319
>> starting over and coming back into

3332
02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:50,960
compliance.

3333
02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:52,240
>> Yeah, I think they are different.

3334
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,080
>> I mean

3335
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:55,760
so that's an understanding that if

3336
02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:58,000
somebody reads this, an applicant reads

3337
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:00,640
this, they would know the difference.

3338
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:01,040
>> So

3339
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:02,240
>> or could be explained to them.

3340
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:04,319
>> Yeah. And it it is a fair comment that

3341
02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:06,640
potentially if this is confusing and if

3342
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:10,399
some of these terms are um potentially

3343
02:27:10,399 --> 02:27:12,399
overlapping in an unhelpful way, that's

3344
02:27:12,399 --> 02:27:15,120
something that that we could resolve.

3345
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:18,560
>> So I guess the way I read it was

3346
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:21,760
reconstruction is above the floor plan

3347
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:24,720
or excuse me, above the the slab, the

3348
02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:25,840
floor slab.

3349
02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:26,479
>> Yeah.

3350
02:27:26,479 --> 02:27:30,080
>> Redevelopment would be taking out the

3351
02:27:30,080 --> 02:27:31,920
slab too.

3352
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:34,800
Yeah. So, redevelopment, I think, as

3353
02:27:34,800 --> 02:27:37,439
we've tried to describe here, is really

3354
02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:39,840
just kind of

3355
02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:41,600
scorched earth situ. You're kind of

3356
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:42,640
starting from scratch.

3357
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:44,399
>> You're taking the footings and the slab

3358
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:45,120
out,

3359
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:50,640
>> whereas a reconstruction is you're using the same slab, which

3360
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:52,800
hopefully means that you're not

3361
02:27:52,800 --> 02:27:55,120
increasing the footprint.

3362
02:27:55,120 --> 02:27:56,160
>> Yeah.

3363
02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:59,359
>> Building the overall footprint. And

3364
02:27:59,359 --> 02:28:01,200
that's the way I read it at least.

3365
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:03,840
>> And if that's an understanding we have,

3366
02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:05,359
it's going to be interesting to apply

3367
02:28:05,359 --> 02:28:08,240
that that concept in the next code of

3368
02:28:08,240 --> 02:28:09,040
read.

3369
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:11,280
>> Yeah. Is it not defined somewhere like

3370
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:13,680
in our basic definitions? Do we define

3371
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:16,479
redevelopment and rection?

3372
02:28:16,479 --> 02:28:19,200
>> I don't think we do it in this

3373
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:20,160
particular section.

3374
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:21,920
>> This kind of says removal of the floor

3375
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:24,720
slab or footings will constitute.

3376
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:27,920
>> So it's defined. Okay. right there in my

3377
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:28,880
mind.

3378
02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:30,960
>> That's what defined it to me.

3379
02:28:30,960 --> 02:28:32,880
>> But I mean, are you not building an

3380
02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:35,200
entirely new building then? And do you

3381
02:28:35,200 --> 02:28:38,640
not need a a building permit to do that?

3382
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:40,319
>> Oh, yeah. You need a building permit for

3383
02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:40,640
sure.

3384
02:28:40,640 --> 02:28:43,200
>> So, there's things here and I'm I'm

3385
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:45,439
trying not to be too critical. I had to

3386
02:28:45,439 --> 02:28:48,240
read this numerous

3387
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:49,359
>> Oh, you did?

3388
02:28:49,359 --> 02:28:51,280
>> Yeah. The comments you put in on the

3389
02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:53,520
document.

3390
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:55,920
>> I didn't know I was sharing them.

3391
02:28:55,920 --> 02:28:58,880
Anyway, I had to read it numerous times

3392
02:28:58,880 --> 02:29:02,240
to make have it make sense. I I think

3393
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:06,640
the involuntary removal I mean

3394
02:29:06,640 --> 02:29:08,800
for me is like a really interesting

3395
02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:12,000
choice of a word. Involuntary

3396
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:14,880
I mean really. So

3397
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:16,800
I could not approve this the way it is.

3398
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:18,479
I mean when we're struggling to

3399
02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:22,560
understand it and we're asking someone

3400
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:24,640
one of our residents or you know someone

3401
02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:34,389
who wants Yeah. No, no, no.

3402
02:29:34,399 --> 02:29:36,240
» Yeah, let's let's ask questions first.

3403
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:38,240
>> I do. Okay, I do have a question. Thanks

3404
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:38,800
for

3405
02:29:38,800 --> 02:29:39,680
>> better be a question.

3406
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:44,160
>> It is a question and it's maybe a a a

3407
02:29:44,160 --> 02:29:47,280
question based in inexperience. Um, when

3408
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:49,200
we're talking about involuntary removal

3409
02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:50,880
and it is going to require like an

3410
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:53,439
engineer saying yes, this is actually

3411
02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:57,439
needs to be replaced. Can an engineer do

3412
02:29:57,439 --> 02:30:02,150
that assessment if it's mold?

3413
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:05,920
» Potentially, yes. Okay. I think it

3414
02:30:05,920 --> 02:30:08,399
>> it it's not defined here. Um what it

3415
02:30:08,399 --> 02:30:11,920
says is uh the opinion states that the

3416
02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:14,160
proposed refurbishments are necessary to

3417
02:30:14,160 --> 02:30:16,800
make the structure safe and sanitary in

3418
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:18,720
accordance with the local building code.

3419
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:20,399
So I think that could potentially

3420
02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:22,000
include mold.

3421
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:22,319
>> Okay.

3422
02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:24,240
>> Well, and it does say engineer or other

3423
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:26,800
suitably qualified individual. So that

3424
02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:28,399
might be a mold expert

3425
02:30:28,399 --> 02:30:31,920
>> and that's fine. I I didn't catch the

3426
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:36,000
suitably qualified expert. Um, and I was

3427
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:37,280
just wondered like we're gonna say,

3428
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:38,880
well, you didn't get an engineer to say

3429
02:30:38,880 --> 02:30:41,680
that this mold is an issue. Um, and

3430
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:42,960
we're just kind of like painting

3431
02:30:42,960 --> 02:30:44,960
ourselves into a corner. So, I think

3432
02:30:44,960 --> 02:30:45,680
it's covered.

3433
02:30:45,680 --> 02:30:47,520
>> So, in the deliberation, I think we

3434
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:49,840
could talk about our real life case and

3435
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:51,280
how this would have changed this

3436
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:54,399
process. But any other questions?

3437
02:30:54,399 --> 02:30:57,680
>> Okay. So, let's have a motion to open

3438
02:30:57,680 --> 02:30:58,880
public hearing.

3439
02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:00,800
>> What about questions from Oh, well, I

3440
02:31:00,800 --> 02:31:02,160
guess you asked questions from the

3441
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:04,560
audience. I just assume she would. Yeah,

3442
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:05,920
she's gonna make comments, not

3443
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:07,439
>> Jan has something.

3444
02:31:07,439 --> 02:31:07,920
>> We're down.

3445
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:13,200
>> I move that we open the public hearing.

3446
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:16,080
>> We have a second. Open. Okay. Motion by

3447
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:17,600
Kyla, second by Randy.

3448
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:18,560
>> I Randy.

3449
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:19,760
>> Arbite.

3450
02:31:19,760 --> 02:31:21,520
>> Kyla. I

3451
02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:23,840
>> Nothing. You got nothing. Okay. Motion

3452
02:31:23,840 --> 02:31:25,200
to close public hearing.

3453
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:28,000
>> Are you as confused as we are?

3454
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:29,680
>> I move we close public hearing.

3455
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:31,840
>> I'll second. Motion by Randy. Second by

3456
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:32,399
Kyla.

3457
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:33,520
>> And I

3458
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:37,990
>> Jack.

3459
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:41,280
» Here. I'll do you and you do me.

3460
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:42,640
>> Jackie.

3461
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:44,080
>> Barbby.

3462
02:31:44,080 --> 02:31:46,800
>> Kyla. I

3463
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:49,840
>> Your voices have changed.

3464
02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:53,040
>> Oh, it's gonna get worse. Okay. So, we

3465
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:55,920
are now in deliberation.

3466
02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:58,000
So in our real in our real case

3467
02:31:58,000 --> 02:31:59,680
scenario, what would have happened is

3468
02:31:59,680 --> 02:32:04,800
that in theory, the contractor would

3469
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:06,800
have gotten an engineer or suitably

3470
02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:11,120
qualified individual to come to the town

3471
02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:12,960
and state that the building was not

3472
02:32:12,960 --> 02:32:15,680
savable, that it had to be taken down,

3473
02:32:15,680 --> 02:32:17,920
and

3474
02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:19,520
then there would have been a demolition

3475
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:21,200
permit, and then there would have been a

3476
02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:23,040
whole new rebuild, but on the same

3477
02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:25,680
footprint, right? Yeah. So they they

3478
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:27,840
would have had to come before demolition

3479
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:30,800
happened with this request and with this

3480
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:33,600
opinion uh and ask for permission from

3481
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:36,319
the planning commission and then they

3482
02:32:36,319 --> 02:32:39,760
could have gone ahead with it.

3483
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:43,439
>> And and I I like I like this idea. I

3484
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:45,600
think that the planning commission did a

3485
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:48,000
fairly good job,

3486
02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:50,160
but I do understand that you might have

3487
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:52,720
some concerns, Jack, and that Pat has

3488
02:32:52,720 --> 02:32:54,560
brought up some maybe definitions that

3489
02:32:54,560 --> 02:32:59,120
are missing. Um, I mean, but if you're I

3490
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:02,560
guess I felt like I understood the

3491
02:33:02,560 --> 02:33:04,240
direction that they were going in.

3492
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:07,120
>> Yeah, I I agree. I I really thought I

3493
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:08,479
did.

3494
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:11,439
For me, the whole thing was, are you

3495
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:13,520
leaving the slab and the footings there

3496
02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:16,240
>> so that you not incling the footprint of

3497
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:18,560
the of the building and you dig

3498
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:20,720
everything out above that? That's

3499
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:22,560
reconstruction. You need There's some

3500
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:25,520
stipulations on it, but

3501
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:28,399
that's reconstruction.

3502
02:33:28,399 --> 02:33:30,720
So, are you Randy, are you saying you're

3503
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:33,040
against

3504
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:35,680
So, if somebody does have to remove the

3505
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:38,000
floor slabs and footings, are we still

3506
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,319
okay with them

3507
02:33:40,319 --> 02:33:42,560
keeping the nonconformity and rebuilding

3508
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:44,720
or would we want to just even eliminate

3509
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:48,000
that and then they just start over?

3510
02:33:48,000 --> 02:33:50,319
But, but again, this is only in the case

3511
02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:53,040
of unexpected or involuntary removal and

3512
02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:58,950
not just because they want to

3513
02:33:58,960 --> 02:33:59,760
Does that make sense?

3514
02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:01,920
>> Well, I I mean the way this in my mind,

3515
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:04,720
the way this thing's written is

3516
02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:07,840
um that's redevelopment of the property,

3517
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:13,200
which is a brings into a whole new

3518
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:16,160
thing. Then they have to comply

3519
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:18,479
with the

3520
02:34:18,479 --> 02:34:21,439
if I'm reading this right if they have

3521
02:34:21,439 --> 02:34:24,960
to go into the footings and the and the

3522
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:28,000
floor slab to remove those then they

3523
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:30,720
have to come back with a new application

3524
02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:33,520
to comply with the

3525
02:34:33,520 --> 02:34:35,520
>> they have to build bring the building

3526
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:37,760
under compliance.

3527
02:34:37,760 --> 02:34:38,160
So

3528
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:40,240
>> whatever they build there.

3529
02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:42,560
>> Yeah. So just to clarify that that is

3530
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:49,760
the case except there is a carve out at the end of E which um says if a

3531
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:52,160
written opinion from an engineer's other

3532
02:34:52,160 --> 02:34:54,960
suitably qualified individual provides

3533
02:34:54,960 --> 02:34:57,120
evidence that repairs or replacements of

3534
02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:59,760
sections of the floor slab or footings

3535
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:02,479
is necessary for safety reasons. This

3536
02:35:02,479 --> 02:35:05,280
may be approved. So there is

3537
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:06,560
>> and it would stay it could stay

3538
02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:08,560
non-conforming in terms of setbacks and

3539
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:10,319
that kind of thing even in that case

3540
02:35:10,319 --> 02:35:11,040
right.

3541
02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:11,439
>> Yeah.

3542
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:12,000
>> Okay.

3543
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:14,720
>> Yeah. So that that that is a carve out

3544
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:16,880
from what you've described there Randy.

3545
02:35:16,880 --> 02:35:18,240
Yeah.

3546
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:19,520
>> Wouldn't there be times when you got to

3547
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:22,479
tear the foundation up to get a pipes?

3548
02:35:22,479 --> 02:35:23,359
>> No.

3549
02:35:23,359 --> 02:35:24,640
>> Wouldn't there be times when you'd have

3550
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:26,319
to tear the foundation up to get at

3551
02:35:26,319 --> 02:35:27,520
pipes?

3552
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:29,439
>> Yeah. And I think that's that's maybe a

3553
02:35:29,439 --> 02:35:32,240
scenario that they're envisaging there.

3554
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:34,399
Yeah.

3555
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:36,160
I just think it needs more

3556
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:38,640
straightforward language,

3557
02:35:38,640 --> 02:35:41,840
you know? It's like so circular,

3558
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:43,359
you know, and I mean, you at least for

3559
02:35:43,359 --> 02:35:48,960
me, I had to keep reading reread it. And it is, you know, we're

3560
02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:50,960
trying to have ordinances that the

3561
02:35:50,960 --> 02:35:54,000
average lay person can understand.

3562
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:56,080
They shouldn't have to keep rereading

3563
02:35:56,080 --> 02:36:00,080
it. And so that really uh concerns me.

3564
02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:04,240
But it also concerns me that how widely

3565
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:07,040
interpreted that can be

3566
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:09,920
and and that's where I think we can get

3567
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:12,399
into problems where we've got somebody

3568
02:36:12,399 --> 02:36:14,240
sitting out there saying, "Well, this

3569
02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:16,640
was my understanding." And then we've

3570
02:36:16,640 --> 02:36:18,880
got their experts sitting in the

3571
02:36:18,880 --> 02:36:20,479
audience with them saying, "Yeah, I

3572
02:36:20,479 --> 02:36:22,640
agree. I I could see how they could

3573
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:25,920
interpret it that way."

3574
02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:28,240
>> Jack, I don't I don't find it confusing.

3575
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:32,240
So I maybe it's me. Well, or maybe

3576
02:36:32,240 --> 02:36:34,240
>> it won't it isn't just you because that

3577
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:35,840
there will be somebody else who cracks

3578
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:38,080
open this ordinance and is like I don't

3579
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:41,120
get it. But maybe hopefully they call

3580
02:36:41,120 --> 02:36:42,319
staff

3581
02:36:42,319 --> 02:36:44,479
>> and and not to say that it's that's the

3582
02:36:44,479 --> 02:36:46,560
way we should leave it. If you had like

3583
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:48,960
some I mean are there specific things

3584
02:36:48,960 --> 02:36:51,600
you'd like to see? Absolutely. Do you

3585
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:53,280
know that that you want some section

3586
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:55,680
cleaned up? I guess for me this stems

3587
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:58,160
back from that conversation we had where

3588
02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:00,399
I mean I voted no on it where I felt

3589
02:37:00,399 --> 02:37:02,960
like you know everybody else was in

3590
02:37:02,960 --> 02:37:05,680
agreement that complete removal of a

3591
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:07,920
building could be done under repair and

3592
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:11,120
maintenance and without the benefit of a

3593
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:14,080
demolition permit. So like you know for

3594
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:16,960
me what what where there should be

3595
02:37:16,960 --> 02:37:20,560
triggers is in the case of you know if

3596
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:22,399
you are looking at what we're going to

3597
02:37:22,399 --> 02:37:25,040
call redevelopment which I find an an

3598
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:27,680
interesting word then say this triggers

3599
02:37:27,680 --> 02:37:30,160
a building permit

3600
02:37:30,160 --> 02:37:32,399
you know if you are going to do complete

3601
02:37:32,399 --> 02:37:36,240
removal of the entire structure you need

3602
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:38,560
a demolition permit

3603
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:40,399
>> but you need a building permit even if

3604
02:37:40,399 --> 02:37:42,479
you're remodeling Right.

3605
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:46,720
>> So, um I think that we voted for that

3606
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:49,600
because we felt our ordinance was so

3607
02:37:49,600 --> 02:37:52,080
unclear, which if this is unclear, we

3608
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:54,080
should not pass it. But

3609
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:56,399
>> well, I mean, if it's I this is a no for

3610
02:37:56,399 --> 02:37:58,880
me, but if it's a rest a yes for you

3611
02:37:58,880 --> 02:38:00,880
guys, then you know, I would move

3612
02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:04,479
forward. But yeah, I couldn't I couldn't

3613
02:38:04,479 --> 02:38:07,280
say yes for this.

3614
02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:10,720
Well, I I understand what what they're

3615
02:38:10,720 --> 02:38:12,800
trying to do and and if I if I think

3616
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:14,399
about it and I had to read it more than

3617
02:38:14,399 --> 02:38:17,200
just a few times like Jack did,

3618
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:19,200
>> I agree with where it's going. I just

3619
02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:20,479
think it needs to be written more

3620
02:38:20,479 --> 02:38:21,359
clearly.

3621
02:38:21,359 --> 02:38:21,680
>> Okay,

3622
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:22,720
>> that's just my opinion.

3623
02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:23,680
>> So, um

3624
02:38:23,680 --> 02:38:25,920
>> don't disagree with concept. Yeah, I I

3625
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:29,680
think the concept I I think I think it's

3626
02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:32,319
everything that we need, but Nyall,

3627
02:38:32,319 --> 02:38:34,640
could you maybe

3628
02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:36,080
clean it up a little bit?

3629
02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:36,960
>> Yeah, absolutely.

3630
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:38,960
>> So, should we table it? Is that what we

3631
02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:40,160
should do?

3632
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:42,000
>> I think if we table it, we need to just

3633
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:44,080
be real specific like what do we want

3634
02:38:44,080 --> 02:38:46,640
cleaned up? We want some things defined

3635
02:38:46,640 --> 02:38:49,600
like redevelopment and reconstruction

3636
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:52,240
>> and that maybe we want um some triggers

3637
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:54,399
so it's very clear when you need a

3638
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:56,880
demolition permit and when you need a

3639
02:38:56,880 --> 02:38:58,000
building permit.

3640
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:00,560
>> Well, it sounded to me like what Jack

3641
02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:02,560
and Pat's issue might be different, but

3642
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:05,439
what Jack was saying was we just need to

3643
02:39:05,439 --> 02:39:07,600
be real clear. You still need a building

3644
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:10,000
permit in this case. You you still need

3645
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:11,520
a demolition permit, right?

3646
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:13,520
>> Well, so this is an example right here.

3647
02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:16,319
the the you know involuntary removal of

3648
02:39:16,319 --> 02:39:18,479
a non-compliant building. So we're

3649
02:39:18,479 --> 02:39:20,640
talking about removal

3650
02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:23,520
you know right in B then it goes to a

3651
02:39:23,520 --> 02:39:28,479
written opinion from an engineer blah blah stating that the proposed

3652
02:39:28,479 --> 02:39:32,080
refurbishments are necessary.

3653
02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:34,560
>> So you should say the proposed

3654
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:35,840
>> that's not removable

3655
02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:37,600
>> demolition is necessary.

3656
02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:40,720
>> Yeah. So, I mean, to me, it felt like it

3657
02:39:40,720 --> 02:39:42,800
was such a mixed bag of we're bouncing

3658
02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:46,080
back and forth between actually removing

3659
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:48,560
the structures and then talking about

3660
02:39:48,560 --> 02:39:50,479
what kind of improvements we might be

3661
02:39:50,479 --> 02:39:52,560
making.

3662
02:39:52,560 --> 02:39:56,160
Um, C, uh, the planning commission finds

3663
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:58,479
there's ample justification for allowing

3664
02:39:58,479 --> 02:40:01,200
the proposed improvements and the

3665
02:40:01,200 --> 02:40:04,319
existing nonconformities to be retained.

3666
02:40:04,319 --> 02:40:05,840
I mean, what does that have to do with

3667
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:08,160
removal? So I think if we're talking

3668
02:40:08,160 --> 02:40:12,319
about removal, let's talk about removal.

3669
02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:13,840
>> Yeah. Now that you say that, it is

3670
02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:16,240
interesting because under 10219, which

3671
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:18,240
is removal, it's talking about

3672
02:40:18,240 --> 02:40:21,200
rehabbing, isn't it?

3673
02:40:21,200 --> 02:40:22,000
>> Yeah.

3674
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:24,000
>> So anyway, I think it just could be

3675
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:27,429
cleaned up

3676
02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:29,520
» like consistent language.

3677
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:30,880
>> Yes.

3678
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:33,520
>> Do you want to work with nylonic?

3679
02:40:33,520 --> 02:40:36,640
>> Sure. Would that be acceptable?

3680
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:38,479
>> Absolutely. Yeah.

3681
02:40:38,479 --> 02:40:40,640
>> Let's give it a test. If Jack can

3682
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:42,319
understand it, it's probably ready to

3683
02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:42,960
come back.

3684
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:44,640
>> That would be that would be really great

3685
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:46,560
to get your input on that.

3686
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:47,040
>> Okay,

3687
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:51,359
>> Jack. I think is dissing.

3688
02:40:51,359 --> 02:40:52,319
>> That's all right.

3689
02:40:52,319 --> 02:40:54,720
>> Apparently want to be him.

3690
02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:56,800
>> Okay. So, I think we need a motion to

3691
02:40:56,800 --> 02:40:59,439
table this and send it back to Nile to

3692
02:40:59,439 --> 02:41:02,560
work with Jack on revised language. Is

3693
02:41:02,560 --> 02:41:05,359
that is that appropriate?

3694
02:41:05,359 --> 02:41:05,840
>> Okay.

3695
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:12,150
>> So, I move to table um ordinance

3696
02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:15,680
» Oh, hold on. I move to table or yeah, to

3697
02:41:15,680 --> 02:41:19,840
table the changes to chapter 10-21-8.

3698
02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:23,920
Um, and ask that staff work with Jack to

3699
02:41:23,920 --> 02:41:25,600
clarify

3700
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:27,680
some of the issues that were discussed

3701
02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:32,080
in our meeting on May 13th.

3702
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:32,240
There

3703
02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:33,200
>> a second.

3704
02:41:33,200 --> 02:41:33,760
>> Second.

3705
02:41:33,760 --> 02:41:35,920
>> Motion by Kyla, second by Randy.

3706
02:41:35,920 --> 02:41:37,040
>> And I Randy.

3707
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:37,359
>> Barbara.

3708
02:41:37,359 --> 02:41:41,200
>> I Kyla. I.

3709
02:41:41,200 --> 02:41:43,439
>> Next item is also a public hearing and

3710
02:41:43,439 --> 02:41:46,880
it's uh ordinance 2026-10 amending

3711
02:41:46,880 --> 02:41:48,880
chapter 10-21

3712
02:41:48,880 --> 02:41:51,359
of the town code relating to renovation

3713
02:41:51,359 --> 02:41:53,359
and redevelopment of non-complying

3714
02:41:53,359 --> 02:41:56,319
buildings in the commercial zones. And

3715
02:41:56,319 --> 02:41:58,800
this is Nile.

3716
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:04,720
>> Okay. So this this item uh arose during

3717
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:06,319
the discussion at the planning

3718
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:09,520
commission of the last item. So still

3719
02:42:09,520 --> 02:42:11,840
staying with the topic of non-complying

3720
02:42:11,840 --> 02:42:15,840
buildings. Um

3721
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:19,520
this proposal centers around uh the idea

3722
02:42:19,520 --> 02:42:22,399
that most of the properties in the

3723
02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:24,080
central commercial zone and in the

3724
02:42:24,080 --> 02:42:25,920
downtown and many of the village

3725
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:28,560
commercial zone properties too are

3726
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:30,640
non-compliant.

3727
02:42:30,640 --> 02:42:35,120
um and that redevelopment or investment

3728
02:42:35,120 --> 02:42:37,840
in a lot of these properties

3729
02:42:37,840 --> 02:42:40,960
um is

3730
02:42:40,960 --> 02:42:43,280
potentially quite unrealistic because

3731
02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:46,960
they're um to bring them into compliance

3732
02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:49,439
with today's ordinances ordinance as far

3733
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:52,000
as setbacks, landscape, minimum parking,

3734
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:55,120
those sorts of things, um the commercial

3735
02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:58,000
floor space in a lot of these properties

3736
02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:01,600
would really shrink. Um

3737
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:04,960
and so the there was a discussion at the

3738
02:43:04,960 --> 02:43:07,680
planning commission level um about well

3739
02:43:07,680 --> 02:43:10,800
how can we um

3740
02:43:10,800 --> 02:43:14,080
encourage investment in in our downtown

3741
02:43:14,080 --> 02:43:18,080
while obviously um you know keeping true

3742
02:43:18,080 --> 02:43:20,080
to the ordinances and the spirit of the

3743
02:43:20,080 --> 02:43:23,120
general plan. There's also a discussion

3744
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:25,040
around, you know, how a lot of these

3745
02:43:25,040 --> 02:43:26,640
older properties, even though they may

3746
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:29,520
not be in compliance, that they have a

3747
02:43:29,520 --> 02:43:31,520
charm of their own and contribute a lot

3748
02:43:31,520 --> 02:43:35,280
to the character of the town. Um so the

3749
02:43:35,280 --> 02:43:38,319
intention of this uh this ordinance

3750
02:43:38,319 --> 02:43:41,520
revision was to allow um properties

3751
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:44,080
within the commercial zones

3752
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:45,680
um

3753
02:43:45,680 --> 02:43:49,279
to be reconstructed

3754
02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:52,399
um including removal and replacement to

3755
02:43:52,399 --> 02:43:58,150
the foundation. though wholesale um

3756
02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:00,960
but specifically just looking at the

3757
02:44:00,960 --> 02:44:04,080
non-compliance with minimum setbacks and

3758
02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:06,800
the maximum building sizes. So to allow

3759
02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:10,399
th those non non-conforming elements to

3760
02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:12,240
be reconstructed

3761
02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:16,560
um but not um but requiring that

3762
02:44:16,560 --> 02:44:17,920
everything else has to come into

3763
02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:21,200
compliance. So landscaping and parking.

3764
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:22,960
Um

3765
02:44:22,960 --> 02:44:26,000
so that that was the intention of of

3766
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:29,120
these standards. Um

3767
02:44:29,120 --> 02:44:33,040
and it it allows once one kind of go at

3768
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:35,840
redeveloping under these standards and

3769
02:44:35,840 --> 02:44:39,439
then redevelopment after that would um

3770
02:44:39,439 --> 02:44:43,200
would need to come back into compliance

3771
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:44,800
going forward.

3772
02:44:44,800 --> 02:44:46,960
>> Are there any clarifying questions for

3773
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:49,990
now?

3774
02:44:50,000 --> 02:44:52,319
If not, we'll entertain a motion to go

3775
02:44:52,319 --> 02:44:55,359
into public hearing.

3776
02:44:55,359 --> 02:44:58,880
>> We open the public hearing.

3777
02:44:58,880 --> 02:45:00,800
>> Motion by Kyla, second by Randy

3778
02:45:00,800 --> 02:45:02,080
>> Pat. I

3779
02:45:02,080 --> 02:45:03,359
>> Barbara.

3780
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:05,600
>> Kyla. I

3781
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:08,160
>> Jan's not making any moves. Okay. I need

3782
02:45:08,160 --> 02:45:09,760
a motion to close public hearing.

3783
02:45:09,760 --> 02:45:12,720
>> I move that we close the public hearing.

3784
02:45:12,720 --> 02:45:15,279
>> Motion by Kyla, second by Randy.

3785
02:45:15,279 --> 02:45:15,840
>> Randy.

3786
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:17,600
>> Barbara.

3787
02:45:17,600 --> 02:45:18,960
I

3788
02:45:18,960 --> 02:45:21,520
>> we are in deliberation. I thought this

3789
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:23,600
was pretty straightforward. Jack, did

3790
02:45:23,600 --> 02:45:29,990
you did you

3791
02:45:30,000 --> 02:45:32,080
» Here's here's the thing. We get into

3792
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:34,720
this

3793
02:45:34,720 --> 02:45:36,880
>> renovation, redevelopment. It's a

3794
02:45:36,880 --> 02:45:39,279
reconstruction.

3795
02:45:39,279 --> 02:45:45,110
What in good God's ter

3796
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:46,399
related to the renovation or

3797
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:48,319
redevelopment? We had a discussion just

3798
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:51,120
10 minutes ago. Is it reconstruction? Is

3799
02:45:51,120 --> 02:45:54,479
isn't that what it is?

3800
02:45:54,479 --> 02:45:56,000
I mean the terms are kind of in

3801
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:59,680
intertwined throughout the entire code

3802
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:02,399
but in the renovation redevelopment

3803
02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:04,240
further on

3804
02:46:04,240 --> 02:46:07,120
102110 says renovation but further on

3805
02:46:07,120 --> 02:46:08,960
down it calls it development. Further on

3806
02:46:08,960 --> 02:46:10,720
down calls it reconstruction, then it

3807
02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:13,120
goes back to redevelopment, then back to

3808
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:14,640
reconstruction, then back to

3809
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:17,830
constructed.

3810
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:18,399
» Well, so

3811
02:46:18,399 --> 02:46:19,359
>> I know I know where you're going with

3812
02:46:19,359 --> 02:46:21,439
it, but I just I don't I don't

3813
02:46:21,439 --> 02:46:23,040
>> we want the same thing for this code

3814
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:24,960
that we wanted in the last code, right?

3815
02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:28,720
To be clear and specific and define the

3816
02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:31,040
undefined. more to Jack's point, if you

3817
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:34,560
go to E on this thing, um, some

3818
02:46:34,560 --> 02:46:36,720
applicant says, I'm reading, he says,

3819
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:39,520
all compliant aspects on on and on other

3820
02:46:39,520 --> 02:46:41,200
than building size and suspect must be

3821
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:42,319
brought into compliance when the

3822
02:46:42,319 --> 02:46:46,150
property is redeveloped.

3823
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:48,960
But under G, it says may only be

3824
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:51,359
reconstructed once. I can see a guy

3825
02:46:51,359 --> 02:46:53,359
saying, well, I'm reconstructing it. I'm

3826
02:46:53,359 --> 02:46:55,600
not redeveloping it. You know what I

3827
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:58,640
mean? I mean, and and how if you know

3828
02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:01,279
the guy in the in the black suit up

3829
02:47:01,279 --> 02:47:04,800
there, he has to make a judgment on what

3830
02:47:04,800 --> 02:47:06,800
do you mean? We we should point to what

3831
02:47:06,800 --> 02:47:09,920
these terms mean. No.

3832
02:47:09,920 --> 02:47:13,120
>> So, I think I think these that's a valid

3833
02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:16,000
point, Pat, that there is inconsistency

3834
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:18,000
in what we're calling really the same

3835
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:21,359
thing. And this could be cleaned up, as

3836
02:47:21,359 --> 02:47:25,439
Kyla said, like the other one. Um,

3837
02:47:25,439 --> 02:47:27,520
I really like the concept. I really like

3838
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:30,880
the idea of allowing So, for example,

3839
02:47:30,880 --> 02:47:34,880
the the Fatali Gallery, they are

3840
02:47:34,880 --> 02:47:36,880
deliberately keeping that building and

3841
02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:38,560
not starting all over with it, even

3842
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:40,479
though it probably should be killed

3843
02:47:40,479 --> 02:47:42,080
because they want the setback. So, if

3844
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:43,760
they're able to keep the setback, that

3845
02:47:43,760 --> 02:47:45,520
may encourage better kinds of

3846
02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:47,840
redevelopment and and development of

3847
02:47:47,840 --> 02:47:50,160
some empty properties that are that

3848
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:52,479
shouldn't be empty. So, I really like

3849
02:47:52,479 --> 02:47:54,399
the concept and I really want to pass

3850
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:56,000
something like this, but maybe just with

3851
02:47:56,000 --> 02:48:00,640
a cleanup of consistent language. And

3852
02:48:00,640 --> 02:48:02,720
maybe Pat works with you on that one.

3853
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:05,359
You good with that, Pat?

3854
02:48:05,359 --> 02:48:07,040
>> Maybe if I could just ask a question

3855
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:08,960
just to so I make sure I'm clear on this

3856
02:48:08,960 --> 02:48:11,040
is that what we're recognizing is that

3857
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:12,640
the majority of the buildings in the

3858
02:48:12,640 --> 02:48:15,680
downtown are nonconforming

3859
02:48:15,680 --> 02:48:17,840
and we're recognizing

3860
02:48:17,840 --> 02:48:20,800
those imperfections.

3861
02:48:20,800 --> 02:48:23,279
So they can continue to to maintain the

3862
02:48:23,279 --> 02:48:26,000
building as is. If it has to be rebuilt,

3863
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:29,840
it has to be conforming. If or are we

3864
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:31,920
saying, well, you can build on the same

3865
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:34,960
footprint, but you you will live with

3866
02:48:34,960 --> 02:48:37,040
the setback that currently is

3867
02:48:37,040 --> 02:48:38,479
nonconforming

3868
02:48:38,479 --> 02:48:41,680
>> once we will,

3869
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:43,359
>> but other things have to come into

3870
02:48:43,359 --> 02:48:45,120
compliance like maybe landscape,

3871
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:47,520
building height. Yeah, because one of

3872
02:48:47,520 --> 02:48:49,040
the things that kind of surprised me is

3873
02:48:49,040 --> 02:48:51,439
in the virtual was looking at a new

3874
02:48:51,439 --> 02:48:53,600
building

3875
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:57,680
>> that was rebuilt that is taller than it

3876
02:48:57,680 --> 02:48:59,840
should be.

3877
02:48:59,840 --> 02:49:00,800
And

3878
02:49:00,800 --> 02:49:02,960
>> we just did the graduated setbacks,

3879
02:49:02,960 --> 02:49:03,840
right?

3880
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:06,880
>> No, it exceeds 26 feet.

3881
02:49:06,880 --> 02:49:07,359
>> Oh.

3882
02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:09,439
>> So anyway, those are the things that I,

3883
02:49:09,439 --> 02:49:11,120
you know, I was kind of confused by

3884
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:14,560
that. Um,

3885
02:49:14,560 --> 02:49:17,840
but I I guess what I'm hearing is that

3886
02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:22,000
there's certain certain um conditions

3887
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:25,359
that we will accept as part of of

3888
02:49:25,359 --> 02:49:27,359
maintenance or rebuilding the structure,

3889
02:49:27,359 --> 02:49:29,359
but there's some things they'll have to

3890
02:49:29,359 --> 02:49:31,279
come into compliance. Yeah, it's it's

3891
02:49:31,279 --> 02:49:33,200
really mostly setbacks that we're

3892
02:49:33,200 --> 02:49:35,120
allowing to be kept because it says all

3893
02:49:35,120 --> 02:49:37,680
non-compliant aspects of a property in

3894
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:39,279
the central commercial or village

3895
02:49:39,279 --> 02:49:42,000
commercial zone other than building size

3896
02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:43,840
and setback must be brought into

3897
02:49:43,840 --> 02:49:45,200
compliance when a property is

3898
02:49:45,200 --> 02:49:47,439
redeveloped. So in other words, even the

3899
02:49:47,439 --> 02:49:48,880
building size, they could use that

3900
02:49:48,880 --> 02:49:51,200
existing footprint

3901
02:49:51,200 --> 02:49:53,920
but not not go bigger on the first go

3902
02:49:53,920 --> 02:49:56,240
round. Isn't that right, Nile?

3903
02:49:56,240 --> 02:49:59,040
>> Yeah. So th those were the two elements.

3904
02:49:59,040 --> 02:50:01,359
So the building size and the setbacks

3905
02:50:01,359 --> 02:50:03,600
that the planning commission were were

3906
02:50:03,600 --> 02:50:07,040
willing to see kind of continued but

3907
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:10,479
they wanted to see some incremental

3908
02:50:10,479 --> 02:50:13,439
improvements in compliance in you know

3909
02:50:13,439 --> 02:50:15,200
landscaping and and those other

3910
02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:16,560
elements.

3911
02:50:16,560 --> 02:50:18,960
So, this is kind of a a side question,

3912
02:50:18,960 --> 02:50:22,720
but one of the the businesses here, if

3913
02:50:22,720 --> 02:50:26,560
you have um the front of your your

3914
02:50:26,560 --> 02:50:30,240
building is completely uh gravel,

3915
02:50:30,240 --> 02:50:32,800
>> have you met the the landscape

3916
02:50:32,800 --> 02:50:34,240
requirement?

3917
02:50:34,240 --> 02:50:37,279
>> Is there's no there's no vegetation,

3918
02:50:37,279 --> 02:50:38,960
just gravel. Is that meeting the

3919
02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:40,560
landscape requirement?

3920
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:42,880
>> So, the landscape requirements do

3921
02:50:42,880 --> 02:50:46,800
require planting. there is minimum uh

3922
02:50:46,800 --> 02:50:49,359
minimum requirements for a certain

3923
02:50:49,359 --> 02:50:51,600
amount of shrubs, a certain amount of

3924
02:50:51,600 --> 02:50:56,000
trees that are required. So there is um

3925
02:50:56,000 --> 02:50:59,439
so yeah bare gravel is generally not

3926
02:50:59,439 --> 02:51:05,990
going to meet the landscape requirement.

3927
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:09,279
I hate to keep tossing hand grenade your

3928
02:51:09,279 --> 02:51:14,479
way. Uh under B it says uh if compliance

3929
02:51:14,479 --> 02:51:16,560
with any other land use regulation makes

3930
02:51:16,560 --> 02:51:18,800
it impossible to reconstruct. You mean

3931
02:51:18,800 --> 02:51:20,240
like physically impossible or

3932
02:51:20,240 --> 02:51:22,720
economically impossible or aesthetically

3933
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:25,359
impossible? I mean we talk about it a

3934
02:51:25,359 --> 02:51:27,760
technical impossibility.

3935
02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:31,359
>> Yeah. So I think where

3936
02:51:31,359 --> 02:51:33,680
what we're talking about here is say say

3937
02:51:33,680 --> 02:51:40,800
you have a building um that is non-complying in several

3938
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:43,439
ways. So as far as setbacks, building

3939
02:51:43,439 --> 02:51:46,399
size, parking, landscape,

3940
02:51:46,399 --> 02:51:48,080
um

3941
02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:51,520
under this you it allows you to

3942
02:51:51,520 --> 02:51:53,840
redevelop or reconstruct or whatever

3943
02:51:53,840 --> 02:51:56,880
term we want to use um the non-complying

3944
02:51:56,880 --> 02:52:00,399
setbacks and the building size.

3945
02:52:00,399 --> 02:52:02,640
But if you did if you rebuilt that

3946
02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:05,279
building exactly as it is, it wouldn't

3947
02:52:05,279 --> 02:52:07,920
be complying for landscaping or parking

3948
02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:11,040
or something else. So you couldn't

3949
02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:12,399
actually do it because

3950
02:52:12,399 --> 02:52:13,680
>> it's technically impossible.

3951
02:52:13,680 --> 02:52:18,309
>> Yeah. Correct. Yeah.

3952
02:52:18,319 --> 02:52:20,240
» Well, it sounds like we need a motion to

3953
02:52:20,240 --> 02:52:21,439
table this item.

3954
02:52:21,439 --> 02:52:21,920
>> Yeah.

3955
02:52:21,920 --> 02:52:22,560
>> Rework it.

3956
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:25,920
>> I will work on that. Um, I move to table

3957
02:52:25,920 --> 02:52:29,040
ordinance 2026-10

3958
02:52:29,040 --> 02:52:32,960
amending chapter 10-21 of the town code

3959
02:52:32,960 --> 02:52:35,439
relating to renovation and redevelopment

3960
02:52:35,439 --> 02:52:37,200
of non-complying buildings in the

3961
02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:41,200
commercial zone. And we would like staff

3962
02:52:41,200 --> 02:52:45,279
to work with Pat um to review the ideas

3963
02:52:45,279 --> 02:52:48,080
that were discussed in the meeting um on

3964
02:52:48,080 --> 02:52:51,520
May 13th uh to

3965
02:52:51,520 --> 02:52:54,640
uh work on clarity, definitions, and

3966
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:58,469
consistency.

3967
02:52:58,479 --> 02:52:59,359
» Second.

3968
02:52:59,359 --> 02:53:01,840
>> Motion by Kyla, second by Jack

3969
02:53:01,840 --> 02:53:08,230
>> P. I bar

3970
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:10,080
Kyla I

3971
02:53:10,080 --> 02:53:11,359
>> I was going to do it for you.

3972
02:53:11,359 --> 02:53:15,429
>> We need to amend the motion.

3973
02:53:15,439 --> 02:53:17,760
» Oh,

3974
02:53:17,760 --> 02:53:18,640
>> pardon.

3975
02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:20,240
>> I was wondering if we needed to amend

3976
02:53:20,240 --> 02:53:23,279
the emo amend the motion. Not the

3977
02:53:23,279 --> 02:53:26,240
emotion, but just the mo.

3978
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:30,630
>> We do need to

3979
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:33,359
» I just heard a a thing about paragraph B

3980
02:53:33,359 --> 02:53:35,680
and I was like, did I need to include

3981
02:53:35,680 --> 02:53:37,439
something? They were talking about you.

3982
02:53:37,439 --> 02:53:39,279
>> I know. And my ears were burning and

3983
02:53:39,279 --> 02:53:45,030
that's why I got emotional about it.

3984
02:53:45,040 --> 02:53:46,720
» Are we good with that motion?

3985
02:53:46,720 --> 02:53:48,000
>> Yeah, that's okay.

3986
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:48,560
>> That works.

3987
02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:51,439
>> Um, okay. Another public hearing. Yay,

3988
02:53:51,439 --> 02:53:55,200
Jan. Um, public hearing resolution

3989
02:53:55,200 --> 02:53:56,880
2026-05

3990
02:53:56,880 --> 02:54:00,960
amending the fiscal year 2526 budget.

3991
02:54:00,960 --> 02:54:04,640
The staff contacts are Tom and Don. and

3992
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:06,720
we'll start with an explanation of the

3993
02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:15,349
item.

3994
02:54:15,359 --> 02:54:19,200
» Um so the council's aware that um under

3995
02:54:19,200 --> 02:54:22,479
the um vision and leadership of Chief

3996
02:54:22,479 --> 02:54:25,359
Breck, we now have emergency backup

3997
02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:27,840
power at both the town council, excuse

3998
02:54:27,840 --> 02:54:29,439
me, the town hall and the central

3999
02:54:29,439 --> 02:54:31,760
commercial zone. So that's fantastic.

4000
02:54:31,760 --> 02:54:34,080
That's great. And the great thing is

4001
02:54:34,080 --> 02:54:35,920
that um instead of originally as

4002
02:54:35,920 --> 02:54:38,080
proposed having one mobile backup

4003
02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:40,399
generator that could power one of those

4004
02:54:40,399 --> 02:54:43,200
buildings, we now have permanent

4005
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:45,200
uh backup generators at both of those

4006
02:54:45,200 --> 02:54:48,000
buildings. So So this is fantastic news.

4007
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:51,200
Um however, um there are some additional

4008
02:54:51,200 --> 02:54:53,840
um costs associated with that project

4009
02:54:53,840 --> 02:54:56,479
that exceed the original budget. And so

4010
02:54:56,479 --> 02:54:59,520
this budget amendment um recognizes

4011
02:54:59,520 --> 02:55:01,840
those additional costs there. Uh the

4012
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:04,560
project is about $38,000 more than what

4013
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:06,880
we initially anticipated. Those costs

4014
02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:09,600
have to do with uh things like buried

4015
02:55:09,600 --> 02:55:13,359
propane tanks and screening of of

4016
02:55:13,359 --> 02:55:15,359
mechanical equipment and and those kinds

4017
02:55:15,359 --> 02:55:17,439
of things that were not anticipated with

4018
02:55:17,439 --> 02:55:20,800
the mobile generator. So what this

4019
02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:24,399
resolution does is um uh account for

4020
02:55:24,399 --> 02:55:26,160
those extra costs and also finds

4021
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:27,600
additional revenue to offset those

4022
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:29,920
costs. Um some of that additional

4023
02:55:29,920 --> 02:55:32,240
revenue is through unanticipated

4024
02:55:32,240 --> 02:55:35,600
increases in interest income and the the

4025
02:55:35,600 --> 02:55:37,840
majority of that is through allocation

4026
02:55:37,840 --> 02:55:41,680
of the uh fund balance. The project was

4027
02:55:41,680 --> 02:55:43,279
originally funded entirely from fund

4028
02:55:43,279 --> 02:55:46,000
balance and so we are proposing to take

4029
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:47,600
a little bit more about $26,000

4030
02:55:47,600 --> 02:55:48,960
additional from fund balance to cover

4031
02:55:48,960 --> 02:55:51,840
the rest of it. Any questions from the

4032
02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:52,479
council?

4033
02:55:52,479 --> 02:55:55,840
>> Clarifying questions.

4034
02:55:55,840 --> 02:56:01,200
Okay. Motion for a public hearing.

4035
02:56:01,200 --> 02:56:01,840
>> Second.

4036
02:56:01,840 --> 02:56:04,399
>> Motion by Randy. Second by Pat.

4037
02:56:04,399 --> 02:56:04,960
>> Randy.

4038
02:56:04,960 --> 02:56:06,560
>> Barbry.

4039
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:10,230
>> Kyla. I

4040
02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:11,040
» Okay. Motion.

4041
02:56:11,040 --> 02:56:12,399
>> We close publicly here.

4042
02:56:12,399 --> 02:56:13,600
>> I'll second.

4043
02:56:13,600 --> 02:56:16,560
>> Motion by Randy, second by Kyla.

4044
02:56:16,560 --> 02:56:17,200
>> Randy.

4045
02:56:17,200 --> 02:56:19,040
>> Barbara.

4046
02:56:19,040 --> 02:56:22,870
>> Kyla. I

4047
02:56:22,880 --> 02:56:27,680
» This is a no-brainer for me. I Good job.

4048
02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:28,640
>> Nice work, Chief.

4049
02:56:28,640 --> 02:56:30,319
>> Yeah. Yeah.

4050
02:56:30,319 --> 02:56:32,640
>> Well, Jack, are you okay with this? Do

4051
02:56:32,640 --> 02:56:33,680
you want to make a motion?

4052
02:56:33,680 --> 02:56:35,680
>> I am fine. I don't have any, you know,

4053
02:56:35,680 --> 02:56:39,439
word smithing, rearranging,

4054
02:56:39,439 --> 02:56:40,399
reorganizing.

4055
02:56:40,399 --> 02:56:40,960
>> No comments.

4056
02:56:40,960 --> 02:56:42,720
>> You don't need to be with Nyall and talk

4057
02:56:42,720 --> 02:56:43,520
about it.

4058
02:56:43,520 --> 02:56:45,040
>> Decimals are out of place.

4059
02:56:45,040 --> 02:56:46,720
>> Thumbs up to Karen.

4060
02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:48,399
>> Just glad the word redevelopment or

4061
02:56:48,399 --> 02:56:53,910
reconstru

4062
02:56:53,920 --> 02:56:55,680
20 years. We will Are we going to be

4063
02:56:55,680 --> 02:56:58,640
replacing or redeveloping the general?

4064
02:56:58,640 --> 02:57:02,950
We're reconstructing this thing.

4065
02:57:02,960 --> 02:57:04,319
» Can we get a motion?

4066
02:57:04,319 --> 02:57:07,520
>> I move to approve resolution

4067
02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:10,000
number 2026-05,

4068
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:12,560
a resolution opening and mending the the

4069
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:14,800
budget of revenues and expenditures for

4070
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:17,840
the various funds of the town of

4071
02:57:17,840 --> 02:57:20,160
Springdale for the fiscal year ending

4072
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:24,319
June 30th, 2026.

4073
02:57:24,319 --> 02:57:28,720
The um amendment includes increasing

4074
02:57:28,720 --> 02:57:31,600
revenues and expenditures by 38,000 to

4075
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:34,319
total 6,630

4076
02:57:34,319 --> 02:57:36,160
537.

4077
02:57:36,160 --> 02:57:38,479
This includes additional appropriation

4078
02:57:38,479 --> 02:57:43,040
of fund balance of 26,653

4079
02:57:43,040 --> 02:57:45,920
and direct the mayor to sign.

4080
02:57:45,920 --> 02:57:47,600
>> Second that. Excellent.

4081
02:57:47,600 --> 02:57:50,240
>> Excellent motion by Jack and second.

4082
02:57:50,240 --> 02:57:52,080
Excellent motion by Jack. An excellent

4083
02:57:52,080 --> 02:57:53,920
second by Randy.

4084
02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:55,520
>> Pat I.

4085
02:57:55,520 --> 02:57:56,399
>> Randy.

4086
02:57:56,399 --> 02:57:57,359
>> Barbara I.

4087
02:57:57,359 --> 02:57:58,319
>> Jack. I

4088
02:57:58,319 --> 02:58:02,389
>> I

4089
02:58:02,399 --> 02:58:05,590
recogn.

4090
02:58:05,600 --> 02:58:08,880
» Okay. Ordinance 2026-12

4091
02:58:08,880 --> 02:58:11,279
prohibiting open fires and fireworks in

4092
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:13,439
the town of Springdale during the 2026

4093
02:58:13,439 --> 02:58:16,319
fire season season. This is Tom and he

4094
02:58:16,319 --> 02:58:19,200
did send us a new corrected

4095
02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:21,760
date.

4096
02:58:21,760 --> 02:58:23,680
But Tom, yeah, because he sent us

4097
02:58:23,680 --> 02:58:26,479
another email. Can we just ban fireworks

4098
02:58:26,479 --> 02:58:31,510
all year long?

4099
02:58:31,520 --> 02:58:34,319
» So,

4100
02:58:34,319 --> 02:58:39,040
state code allows us to we we have to

4101
02:58:39,040 --> 02:58:44,479
make a finding every year in order. the the state code defaults to allowing

4102
02:58:44,479 --> 02:58:46,240
fireworks

4103
02:58:46,240 --> 02:58:50,560
um during during holiday periods. Um it

4104
02:58:50,560 --> 02:58:56,000
says you can you can do certain kinds of of fireworks on the 4th of July

4105
02:58:56,000 --> 02:58:58,399
holiday on the 24th of July holiday at

4106
02:58:58,399 --> 02:59:02,560
New Year's that is by default permitted.

4107
02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:06,080
The state says a municipality may

4108
02:59:06,080 --> 02:59:08,399
adopt an ordinance prohibiting those

4109
02:59:08,399 --> 02:59:11,040
under these certain circumstances.

4110
02:59:11,040 --> 02:59:14,080
we have to make a finding every year

4111
02:59:14,080 --> 02:59:18,479
that those circumstances are met. Um, so

4112
02:59:18,479 --> 02:59:20,560
that's why we've been doing this every

4113
02:59:20,560 --> 02:59:23,359
year because the way the state code is

4114
02:59:23,359 --> 02:59:26,160
drafted requires us to make that finding

4115
02:59:26,160 --> 02:59:27,359
every year. So

4116
02:59:27,359 --> 02:59:31,359
>> I'm okay with doing it every year, but I don't know why we would allow

4117
02:59:31,359 --> 02:59:35,760
fireworks in November and December. So

4118
02:59:35,760 --> 02:59:41,200
you I I I I think you can't there's no I reread the state code today. There's

4119
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:43,200
nothing that says it has to be between

4120
02:59:43,200 --> 02:59:45,680
these certain dates. It just says we

4121
02:59:45,680 --> 02:59:47,120
have to make this finding every year. So

4122
02:59:47,120 --> 02:59:49,520
you could have a an ordinance that says

4123
02:59:49,520 --> 02:59:52,160
they're banned year round. We would just

4124
02:59:52,160 --> 02:59:54,479
need to make that finding every every

4125
02:59:54,479 --> 02:59:56,240
year.

4126
02:59:56,240 --> 02:59:58,399
>> What if what if we compromised and we

4127
02:59:58,399 --> 03:00:01,680
made a finding that they're banned for

4128
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:04,240
this fiscal year? Because we can look at

4129
03:00:04,240 --> 03:00:09,190
conditions every year, right?

4130
03:00:09,200 --> 03:00:10,800
» Yeah. Well, you mean fiscal year or

4131
03:00:10,800 --> 03:00:11,520
calendar year?

4132
03:00:11,520 --> 03:00:13,040
>> Well, calendar year, really? Because

4133
03:00:13,040 --> 03:00:14,160
that's what we're talking about there.

4134
03:00:14,160 --> 03:00:18,800
Yeah. So, I mean, is it safer for

4135
03:00:18,800 --> 03:00:20,319
compliance with the state if we say

4136
03:00:20,319 --> 03:00:23,920
they're banned in fiscal year 2026 or

4137
03:00:23,920 --> 03:00:24,560
does it matter?

4138
03:00:24,560 --> 03:00:28,720
>> I I I don't think it matters. the the things that we need to find are

4139
03:00:28,720 --> 03:00:31,040
that there are these hazardous areas,

4140
03:00:31,040 --> 03:00:35,680
you know, 200 feet with from a a a river

4141
03:00:35,680 --> 03:00:39,439
or a waterway or mountainous or wildland

4142
03:00:39,439 --> 03:00:42,319
urban interface. Um we need to find that

4143
03:00:42,319 --> 03:00:44,319
those are those hazardous areas exist.

4144
03:00:44,319 --> 03:00:46,240
Those aren't going to change. The other

4145
03:00:46,240 --> 03:00:48,000
thing that we need to find is that there

4146
03:00:48,000 --> 03:00:52,640
has been um the the the current fire uh

4147
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:54,479
current current fire conditions are such

4148
03:00:54,479 --> 03:00:56,880
that a prohibition is warranted and in

4149
03:00:56,880 --> 03:01:00,000
at least two of the previous five years

4150
03:01:00,000 --> 03:01:01,920
there have also been conditions that

4151
03:01:01,920 --> 03:01:05,520
warrant or or justify a fireworks ban.

4152
03:01:05,520 --> 03:01:07,040
Those are the findings that the state

4153
03:01:07,040 --> 03:01:08,640
requires us to make every year.

4154
03:01:08,640 --> 03:01:09,040
>> Okay.

4155
03:01:09,040 --> 03:01:11,120
>> But yeah, there's there's nothing that

4156
03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:13,920
says it has to be within certain dates.

4157
03:01:13,920 --> 03:01:15,600
So yes, that's a long answer of saying

4158
03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:16,960
yes, you can do that. You can say we are

4159
03:01:16,960 --> 03:01:20,640
going to ban them for calendar year 2026

4160
03:01:20,640 --> 03:01:22,560
and then we will revisit this in January

4161
03:01:22,560 --> 03:01:24,640
of 2027.

4162
03:01:24,640 --> 03:01:29,920
>> And can we ban fireworks but allow open

4163
03:01:29,920 --> 03:01:31,120
fires?

4164
03:01:31,120 --> 03:01:34,720
>> Yes. So the the all the require all the

4165
03:01:34,720 --> 03:01:36,319
things that I've just been talking about

4166
03:01:36,319 --> 03:01:40,000
are specific to fireworks.

4167
03:01:40,000 --> 03:01:43,840
the our authorization to um ban fires

4168
03:01:43,840 --> 03:01:45,600
comes from a separate section of the

4169
03:01:45,600 --> 03:01:49,040
code that um is isn't nearly as

4170
03:01:49,040 --> 03:01:52,640
prescriptive as the fireworks section of

4171
03:01:52,640 --> 03:01:54,399
the code is. So you can treat them

4172
03:01:54,399 --> 03:01:56,080
separately.

4173
03:01:56,080 --> 03:01:58,560
>> So we could make one motion with two

4174
03:01:58,560 --> 03:02:01,200
dates.

4175
03:02:01,200 --> 03:02:02,640
>> In fact, the ordinance is set up that

4176
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:06,399
way. Um the four 4-9-2

4177
03:02:06,399 --> 03:02:09,040
talks about fireworks. 4-9-3 talks about

4178
03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:12,080
open fires and so you you could already

4179
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:15,840
kind of um amend that accordingly.

4180
03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:18,080
>> But given that open fires don't include

4181
03:02:18,080 --> 03:02:20,479
a fire in an approved fire pit, do we

4182
03:02:20,479 --> 03:02:22,960
even want to allow open fires this year

4183
03:02:22,960 --> 03:02:24,800
with the where they are?

4184
03:02:24,800 --> 03:02:26,880
>> That's what we talked about with whether

4185
03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:28,800
it was the chief or Tyler in addition to

4186
03:02:28,800 --> 03:02:30,800
the fireworks last year. I we kind of

4187
03:02:30,800 --> 03:02:33,920
asked him that a similar question and

4188
03:02:33,920 --> 03:02:37,279
you know they do the whole permitting

4189
03:02:37,279 --> 03:02:39,920
checking relative humidity

4190
03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:42,880
and because you know,

4191
03:02:42,880 --> 03:02:46,319
right? We worried that if we

4192
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:49,920
extended that burn ban into a date that

4193
03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:52,240
made it unfeasible for people to do what

4194
03:02:52,240 --> 03:02:54,720
they needed to do on their properties.

4195
03:02:54,720 --> 03:02:57,760
So, I feel like there is a little bit of

4196
03:02:57,760 --> 03:03:00,640
oversight there with the burn with the

4197
03:03:00,640 --> 03:03:03,040
open burning. Not that I'm saying

4198
03:03:03,040 --> 03:03:05,279
October 15th is the correct date for

4199
03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:07,120
that.

4200
03:03:07,120 --> 03:03:10,080
But I feel like if he were here, he

4201
03:03:10,080 --> 03:03:12,479
would be saying, "Well, you probably

4202
03:03:12,479 --> 03:03:15,600
don't want to out and out ban burning."

4203
03:03:15,600 --> 03:03:17,600
>> Yeah. I'm guessing that there are people

4204
03:03:17,600 --> 03:03:20,319
that are going to want to, you know,

4205
03:03:20,319 --> 03:03:23,920
burn weeds and such during

4206
03:03:23,920 --> 03:03:28,560
um certain times of year and and Yeah.

4207
03:03:28,560 --> 03:03:30,000
>> And they'd have to have a permit.

4208
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:31,279
Whereas, if we banned them, they

4209
03:03:31,279 --> 03:03:33,040
couldn't even burn with a permit. So,

4210
03:03:33,040 --> 03:03:33,439
Okay.

4211
03:03:33,439 --> 03:03:40,080
>> Right. And and I think that's reasonable. Fireworks get rid of.

4212
03:03:40,080 --> 03:03:43,120
>> Yeah. Did you say you have a motion that

4213
03:03:43,120 --> 03:03:45,120
>> I hope it covers all Tom's bases here?

4214
03:03:45,120 --> 03:03:46,560
So, you let me know.

4215
03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:48,560
>> We'll let you know. Jack will let you

4216
03:03:48,560 --> 03:03:48,880
know.

4217
03:03:48,880 --> 03:03:50,399
>> That's right.

4218
03:03:50,399 --> 03:03:53,520
>> Nowhere do I use the words.

4219
03:03:53,520 --> 03:03:55,439
>> Redevelopment

4220
03:03:55,439 --> 03:03:57,680
reconstructing a fire.

4221
03:03:57,680 --> 03:03:59,359
The town council has reviewed the

4222
03:03:59,359 --> 03:04:02,000
proposed ordinance 202612, an ordinance

4223
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:04,319
prohibiting open fires and discharge of

4224
03:04:04,319 --> 03:04:05,760
fireworks in the town of Springdale

4225
03:04:05,760 --> 03:04:08,720
during the 2026 fire season. It makes

4226
03:04:08,720 --> 03:04:10,640
the following findings which support a

4227
03:04:10,640 --> 03:04:12,560
complete and total ban of fireworks

4228
03:04:12,560 --> 03:04:15,120
within the town limits of Springdale

4229
03:04:15,120 --> 03:04:17,200
until such times as the present

4230
03:04:17,200 --> 03:04:19,920
restrictive conditions subside. Town

4231
03:04:19,920 --> 03:04:21,760
Council finds that it's the duty to

4232
03:04:21,760 --> 03:04:23,439
reduce the threat of fires in the town

4233
03:04:23,439 --> 03:04:26,399
limits that cause could cause extensive

4234
03:04:26,399 --> 03:04:28,960
damage to lives, homes, businesses,

4235
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:30,640
public facilities, infrastructure, and

4236
03:04:30,640 --> 03:04:32,800
natural surroundings of Springdale.

4237
03:04:32,800 --> 03:04:34,880
Further finds that the Hurricane Valley

4238
03:04:34,880 --> 03:04:37,520
Fire Special Service District shares the

4239
03:04:37,520 --> 03:04:39,840
town's goal of reducing the threat of

4240
03:04:39,840 --> 03:04:41,439
fires in Springdale and supports the

4241
03:04:41,439 --> 03:04:43,680
measures intended to lower ignition risk

4242
03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:46,960
during the 2026 fire season. Council

4243
03:04:46,960 --> 03:04:49,120
further finds that the Utah law

4244
03:04:49,120 --> 03:04:51,200
expressly authorizes the town to

4245
03:04:51,200 --> 03:04:54,160
prohibit discharge of fireworks in areas

4246
03:04:54,160 --> 03:04:56,720
with existing and historical hazardous

4247
03:04:56,720 --> 03:04:58,960
environmental conditions pursuant to

4248
03:04:58,960 --> 03:05:02,560
title 53 chapter 7 part two section 225

4249
03:05:02,560 --> 03:05:05,520
of the Utah code.

4250
03:05:05,520 --> 03:05:07,439
Town council further finds that the Utah

4251
03:05:07,439 --> 03:05:09,040
division of forestry fire and state

4252
03:05:09,040 --> 03:05:10,960
lands identifies the town of Springdale

4253
03:05:10,960 --> 03:05:14,000
as a community at high risk of wildfire.

4254
03:05:14,000 --> 03:05:16,000
The town council further finds that the

4255
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:18,160
use of ignition sources, including

4256
03:05:18,160 --> 03:05:19,680
explosive and other fireworks,

4257
03:05:19,680 --> 03:05:21,520
substantially increase the risk of fire

4258
03:05:21,520 --> 03:05:23,600
ignition and rapid fire spread

4259
03:05:23,600 --> 03:05:26,160
throughout town. Council further

4260
03:05:26,160 --> 03:05:28,240
determines has determined that existing

4261
03:05:28,240 --> 03:05:30,000
and historical hazardous environmental

4262
03:05:30,000 --> 03:05:31,760
conditions throughout Springdale

4263
03:05:31,760 --> 03:05:34,000
necessitates strict control of ignition

4264
03:05:34,000 --> 03:05:36,399
sources, including a complete

4265
03:05:36,399 --> 03:05:38,800
prohibition of ignition and or discharge

4266
03:05:38,800 --> 03:05:41,439
of fireworks during the 2026 season.

4267
03:05:41,439 --> 03:05:43,840
Council further finds that all property

4268
03:05:43,840 --> 03:05:45,359
within the boundaries of Springdale is

4269
03:05:45,359 --> 03:05:47,520
subject to the hazardous environmental

4270
03:05:47,520 --> 03:05:50,160
conditions, including areas covered in

4271
03:05:50,160 --> 03:05:52,479
brush, dry grass, areas within 200 feet

4272
03:05:52,479 --> 03:05:54,640
of waterways, trails, canyons, washes,

4273
03:05:54,640 --> 03:05:56,960
ravines, and other similar features and

4274
03:05:56,960 --> 03:05:59,359
areas located in the wildland urban

4275
03:05:59,359 --> 03:06:02,000
interface. Council further finds a

4276
03:06:02,000 --> 03:06:03,760
Springdale is particularly affected by

4277
03:06:03,760 --> 03:06:06,640
the state's Utah the state of Utah's

4278
03:06:06,640 --> 03:06:08,319
wildland urban interface code because

4279
03:06:08,319 --> 03:06:10,000
wildfire risk conditions extend

4280
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:12,080
throughout the town rather than being

4281
03:06:12,080 --> 03:06:14,880
confined to isolated areas resulting in

4282
03:06:14,880 --> 03:06:17,520
a communitywide wildland urban interface

4283
03:06:17,520 --> 03:06:19,439
concerns and heightened fire protection

4284
03:06:19,439 --> 03:06:23,520
needs recognized by state law.

4285
03:06:23,520 --> 03:06:27,040
Almost done. Not really.

4286
03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:30,240
Council finds that hazardous conditions

4287
03:06:30,240 --> 03:06:32,479
exist throughout town, a partial date

4288
03:06:32,479 --> 03:06:33,920
restriction would be inadequate to

4289
03:06:33,920 --> 03:06:36,399
protect the public and only a complete

4290
03:06:36,399 --> 03:06:38,319
townwide prohibition is reasonably

4291
03:06:38,319 --> 03:06:40,160
calculated to reduce the risk of fire

4292
03:06:40,160 --> 03:06:42,800
ignition. Council finds that the ongoing

4293
03:06:42,800 --> 03:06:44,640
drought and historically dry winter of

4294
03:06:44,640 --> 03:06:47,120
2526 have exacerbated wildfire

4295
03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:50,240
conditions for the 2026 season have have

4296
03:06:50,240 --> 03:06:52,000
increased the need for preventive fire

4297
03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:54,319
restrictions. Council finds that a

4298
03:06:54,319 --> 03:06:56,160
wildfire ignited within Springdale could

4299
03:06:56,160 --> 03:06:58,640
endanger residents, visitors, emergency

4300
03:06:58,640 --> 03:07:00,560
responders, private and public property,

4301
03:07:00,560 --> 03:07:02,080
transportation corridors, and the

4302
03:07:02,080 --> 03:07:04,479
economic well-being of the town. The

4303
03:07:04,479 --> 03:07:07,439
town finds that the town's closure

4304
03:07:07,439 --> 03:07:10,160
area properly includes State Route 9 and

4305
03:07:10,160 --> 03:07:12,399
all areas of the town on both sides of

4306
03:07:12,399 --> 03:07:15,359
State Route 9 as shown on the 2026

4307
03:07:15,359 --> 03:07:18,640
fireworks restriction map. Uh by

4308
03:07:18,640 --> 03:07:22,560
reference, this is ordinance 26-12.

4309
03:07:22,560 --> 03:07:25,200
Town council further finds pursuant to

4310
03:07:25,200 --> 03:07:29,439
Utah code sections 10856 and 10884

4311
03:07:29,439 --> 03:07:31,600
the prohibition of fireworks and open

4312
03:07:31,600 --> 03:07:34,080
during 2026 season is necessary and

4313
03:07:34,080 --> 03:07:36,080
proper to preserve the health and safety

4314
03:07:36,080 --> 03:07:38,080
of the town citizens, visitors, and

4315
03:07:38,080 --> 03:07:39,920
promote the prosperity of the town and

4316
03:07:39,920 --> 03:07:42,560
protect property within the town. Town

4317
03:07:42,560 --> 03:07:44,240
council further finds these restrictions

4318
03:07:44,240 --> 03:07:46,640
should remain in effect until such time

4319
03:07:46,640 --> 03:07:49,520
as the present restrictive conditions

4320
03:07:49,520 --> 03:07:52,640
subside as determined by town council

4321
03:07:52,640 --> 03:07:54,560
based on a fire danger drought

4322
03:07:54,560 --> 03:07:56,319
conditions and the advice of fire and

4323
03:07:56,319 --> 03:07:58,640
emergency management officials and the

4324
03:07:58,640 --> 03:08:00,479
town further finds that these hazardous

4325
03:08:00,479 --> 03:08:02,240
conditions have existed in two of the

4326
03:08:02,240 --> 03:08:04,960
prior five years. Based upon the

4327
03:08:04,960 --> 03:08:09,040
foregoing findings, the council adopts

4328
03:08:09,040 --> 03:08:12,240
the 202612 ordinance with the following

4329
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:16,800
change and it will read 4-9-2 fireworks

4330
03:08:16,800 --> 03:08:19,600
prohibited. It's unlawful to ignite,

4331
03:08:19,600 --> 03:08:22,720
discharge or cause to be ignited or be

4332
03:08:22,720 --> 03:08:24,880
discharged any firework within the town

4333
03:08:24,880 --> 03:08:27,760
of Springdale beginning and we can pick

4334
03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:29,680
the date. Today's date,

4335
03:08:29,680 --> 03:08:30,880
>> today's good

4336
03:08:30,880 --> 03:08:34,160
>> May 13, 2026 and continuing thereafter

4337
03:08:34,160 --> 03:08:36,319
until the town council determines that

4338
03:08:36,319 --> 03:08:38,560
the hazardous environmental and fire

4339
03:08:38,560 --> 03:08:41,120
danger fire danger conditions

4340
03:08:41,120 --> 03:08:43,200
necessitating this prohibition have

4341
03:08:43,200 --> 03:08:45,680
subsided. The term fireworks under the

4342
03:08:45,680 --> 03:08:47,920
section is defined under title 53

4343
03:08:47,920 --> 03:08:52,240
chapter 7 part two section 202 Utah code

4344
03:08:52,240 --> 03:08:55,200
annotated 1953 as amended and authorizes

4345
03:08:55,200 --> 03:08:58,319
the mayor to sign

4346
03:08:58,319 --> 03:09:00,160
Did

4347
03:09:00,160 --> 03:09:02,080
>> instead of

4348
03:09:02,080 --> 03:09:14,230
>> saying it starts

4349
03:09:14,240 --> 03:09:16,960
» it could have been so it doesn't have to

4350
03:09:16,960 --> 03:09:20,399
come back to us to determine is that

4351
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:22,880
>> 27 26

4352
03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:25,279
>> or January 1st

4353
03:09:25,279 --> 03:09:26,800
>> 2027

4354
03:09:26,800 --> 03:09:28,960
have to revisit it yearly. So why don't

4355
03:09:28,960 --> 03:09:32,640
we put like February of 2027 and then we

4356
03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:38,710
can address it in the January meeting.

4357
03:09:38,720 --> 03:09:40,000
» Is there a second?

4358
03:09:40,000 --> 03:09:42,960
>> So can I just clarify the language would

4359
03:09:42,960 --> 03:09:46,000
then would say beginning May 13, 2026 um

4360
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:47,920
until such time as fire conditions have

4361
03:09:47,920 --> 03:09:51,520
subsided or February 1st, 2027.

4362
03:09:51,520 --> 03:09:52,880
>> Okay,

4363
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:55,439
>> I'll second. Motion by pass, second by

4364
03:09:55,439 --> 03:09:57,040
Kyla.

4365
03:09:57,040 --> 03:09:58,720
>> Barbara,

4366
03:09:58,720 --> 03:10:00,720
>> I.

4367
03:10:00,720 --> 03:10:02,560
>> Next item is review and possible

4368
03:10:02,560 --> 03:10:05,840
adoption of the fiscal year 2627 town of

4369
03:10:05,840 --> 03:10:08,960
Springdale tentative municipal budget.

4370
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:17,670
And this is Tom and Don.

4371
03:10:17,680 --> 03:10:22,479
Um, so the council reviewed the

4372
03:10:22,479 --> 03:10:24,319
um

4373
03:10:24,319 --> 03:10:26,720
the

4374
03:10:26,720 --> 03:10:27,760
I'm sorry, I'm just going to read from

4375
03:10:27,760 --> 03:10:30,560
my notes here. So

4376
03:10:30,560 --> 03:10:33,359
um the Utah law requires the council to

4377
03:10:33,359 --> 03:10:34,640
review and adopt a tenative budget

4378
03:10:34,640 --> 03:10:36,240
during our first meeting of May. So

4379
03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:38,560
that's what we're doing here tonight. Um

4380
03:10:38,560 --> 03:10:40,240
to prepare for this, the council held a

4381
03:10:40,240 --> 03:10:42,399
work session in April where we uh

4382
03:10:42,399 --> 03:10:45,760
discussed a staff budget. At that time,

4383
03:10:45,760 --> 03:10:48,479
you expressed general approval of the

4384
03:10:48,479 --> 03:10:50,399
expenditures and projected revenues in

4385
03:10:50,399 --> 03:10:53,439
the staff budget and uh directed the

4386
03:10:53,439 --> 03:10:55,359
staff to prepare a tentative budget

4387
03:10:55,359 --> 03:10:59,120
based on that staff budget. Um we have

4388
03:10:59,120 --> 03:11:02,560
done so. There are a few minor changes

4389
03:11:02,560 --> 03:11:06,319
to the tentative budget versus what was

4390
03:11:06,319 --> 03:11:08,880
discussed in April at your work session.

4391
03:11:08,880 --> 03:11:11,279
Those changes are discussed in the staff

4392
03:11:11,279 --> 03:11:13,920
report. They're also highlighted in

4393
03:11:13,920 --> 03:11:16,880
yellow on the budget sheets in the

4394
03:11:16,880 --> 03:11:19,760
tentative budget except however there's

4395
03:11:19,760 --> 03:11:23,279
some um rogue yellow highlighting in the

4396
03:11:23,279 --> 03:11:26,240
water and sewer funds which uh which is

4397
03:11:26,240 --> 03:11:28,000
not supposed to be there. So I apologize

4398
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:30,240
about that. Um all the other yellow

4399
03:11:30,240 --> 03:11:32,880
highlighting that you see in the budget

4400
03:11:32,880 --> 03:11:34,720
reflect the changes that were made from

4401
03:11:34,720 --> 03:11:36,560
the between the time of the staff budget

4402
03:11:36,560 --> 03:11:39,439
and the tentative budget. Um so the

4403
03:11:39,439 --> 03:11:44,000
council's action tonight is to adopt the

4404
03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:47,920
uh fiscal year 2026 27 tentative budget.

4405
03:11:47,920 --> 03:11:50,560
Um you you state law requires that you

4406
03:11:50,560 --> 03:11:52,560
do that tonight.

4407
03:11:52,560 --> 03:11:55,920
However, welcome to say to give staff

4408
03:11:55,920 --> 03:11:57,840
direction on changes that need to be

4409
03:11:57,840 --> 03:11:59,279
made to that tentative budget and the

4410
03:11:59,279 --> 03:12:00,880
preparation of the final budget. So,

4411
03:12:00,880 --> 03:12:02,160
what you're approving tonight isn't

4412
03:12:02,160 --> 03:12:05,359
necessarily lock you into the the budget

4413
03:12:05,359 --> 03:12:07,279
that you see before you. It's just

4414
03:12:07,279 --> 03:12:08,720
tentative in nature and you're welcome

4415
03:12:08,720 --> 03:12:10,800
to give staff direction on necessary

4416
03:12:10,800 --> 03:12:14,319
changes. Um, and then the the other

4417
03:12:14,319 --> 03:12:15,600
thing that you're required to do tonight

4418
03:12:15,600 --> 03:12:17,600
is to schedule a date for the public

4419
03:12:17,600 --> 03:12:19,680
hearing to gather community input on the

4420
03:12:19,680 --> 03:12:22,160
final budget. and staff recommends that

4421
03:12:22,160 --> 03:12:24,640
you do that in your regularly scheduled

4422
03:12:24,640 --> 03:12:27,359
June council meeting um which will be on

4423
03:12:27,359 --> 03:12:32,389
June 10th, 2026 at 5:00 pm.

4424
03:12:32,399 --> 03:12:35,600
» I have a couple of questions. One is the

4425
03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:39,200
Paute Tribe donation $500. What is that?

4426
03:12:39,200 --> 03:12:41,600
>> So, uh the Pyute tribe every year holds

4427
03:12:41,600 --> 03:12:44,720
something called the restoration pow. Um

4428
03:12:44,720 --> 03:12:47,040
and for a number of years we they they

4429
03:12:47,040 --> 03:12:49,439
ask for sponsors for that powow. And for

4430
03:12:49,439 --> 03:12:50,319
a number of years, we've been

4431
03:12:50,319 --> 03:12:52,560
contributing $500 to the trib's

4432
03:12:52,560 --> 03:12:54,720
restoration pow.

4433
03:12:54,720 --> 03:12:54,880
And

4434
03:12:54,880 --> 03:12:56,800
>> then my other question is whether the

4435
03:12:56,800 --> 03:12:59,120
windscreen at the pickle ball courts is

4436
03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:02,880
sort of a done deal. Um

4437
03:13:02,880 --> 03:13:04,800
like is has that decision been made or

4438
03:13:04,800 --> 03:13:08,319
do we need because it's in the budget?

4439
03:13:08,319 --> 03:13:10,000
>> That's that's in the tentative budget.

4440
03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:11,920
So one of the things that you're you're

4441
03:13:11,920 --> 03:13:13,920
doing is um talking about how you're

4442
03:13:13,920 --> 03:13:16,240
going to distribute the wrap tax funds.

4443
03:13:16,240 --> 03:13:19,279
So earlier today you you took action on

4444
03:13:19,279 --> 03:13:21,840
a couple of community organization

4445
03:13:21,840 --> 03:13:23,439
proposals for use of that wrap tax

4446
03:13:23,439 --> 03:13:26,640
funds. The tentative budget has proposed

4447
03:13:26,640 --> 03:13:32,160
expenditures for the rest of the or or much of the rest of that wrap tax.

4448
03:13:32,160 --> 03:13:35,120
So, $14,500 for pickle ball wind

4449
03:13:35,120 --> 03:13:38,000
screens, $8,000 for improvements to the

4450
03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:40,319
restrooms near the pickle ball courts,

4451
03:13:40,319 --> 03:13:42,479
$1,000 for an AED at the pickle ball

4452
03:13:42,479 --> 03:13:45,439
courts, um, and $8,000 for a public art

4453
03:13:45,439 --> 03:13:47,920
fund contribution. Those are all

4454
03:13:47,920 --> 03:13:49,279
tentative at this point. If you want to

4455
03:13:49,279 --> 03:13:50,560
make changes to any of those, you are

4456
03:13:50,560 --> 03:14:00,389
welcome to do so.

4457
03:14:00,399 --> 03:14:01,120
thought it was

4458
03:14:01,120 --> 03:14:03,760
>> when Rick was here it was 11.

4459
03:14:03,760 --> 03:14:05,200
>> Oh, I thought it was 10.

4460
03:14:05,200 --> 03:14:06,800
>> Well, and then it went to 10.

4461
03:14:06,800 --> 03:14:08,960
>> So that I don't know that we've ever

4462
03:14:08,960 --> 03:14:10,720
made that contribution before. This is

4463
03:14:10,720 --> 03:14:12,239
new.

4464
03:14:12,239 --> 03:14:15,439
>> Um, so so it's it's actually going up by

4465
03:14:15,439 --> 03:14:17,680
$8,000 because we've never done it

4466
03:14:17,680 --> 03:14:18,720
before.

4467
03:14:18,720 --> 03:14:19,359
>> You are correct.

4468
03:14:19,359 --> 03:14:21,040
>> That's one way to look at it. Yeah,

4469
03:14:21,040 --> 03:14:23,520
>> you are correct that as as we've talked

4470
03:14:23,520 --> 03:14:25,279
about it in in previous discussions,

4471
03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:26,960
there's been a few figures kind of

4472
03:14:26,960 --> 03:14:31,040
bantered around um between 8 to10 to

4473
03:14:31,040 --> 03:14:33,920
12,000. So, yes, this is on the low end

4474
03:14:33,920 --> 03:14:36,800
of that. And again, if you'd like to

4475
03:14:36,800 --> 03:14:42,000
allocate your RAP tax differently and um put more into the public art

4476
03:14:42,000 --> 03:14:42,960
fund, absolutely you can.

4477
03:14:42,960 --> 03:14:44,880
>> Well, you're just trying to spread it

4478
03:14:44,880 --> 03:14:46,560
out and that's what you came up with.

4479
03:14:46,560 --> 03:14:48,560
>> Correct.

4480
03:14:48,560 --> 03:14:50,399
Is that wrap tax or is that something

4481
03:14:50,399 --> 03:14:51,520
else

4482
03:14:51,520 --> 03:14:52,800
>> or it it's tax?

4483
03:14:52,800 --> 03:14:54,000
>> It's wrap tax. Okay.

4484
03:14:54,000 --> 03:14:55,359
>> So that that's the fund that's the

4485
03:14:55,359 --> 03:14:56,800
proposed funding source for that public

4486
03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:57,439
art fund.

4487
03:14:57,439 --> 03:14:57,760
>> Yeah.

4488
03:14:57,760 --> 03:14:59,040
>> If you wanted to fund it with different

4489
03:14:59,040 --> 03:15:00,399
money, you could you could do that as

4490
03:15:00,399 --> 03:15:00,800
well.

4491
03:15:00,800 --> 03:15:02,960
>> Okay.

4492
03:15:02,960 --> 03:15:07,040
Um and this is a public hearing, right?

4493
03:15:07,040 --> 03:15:08,399
>> Oh, it is.

4494
03:15:08,399 --> 03:15:11,120
>> Oh, no, no, no, no. Sorry, my bad.

4495
03:15:11,120 --> 03:15:13,359
>> It's not. So, while we're talking about

4496
03:15:13,359 --> 03:15:17,120
pickle ball courts, um I will say uh

4497
03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:20,640
without hesitation. I am pro- AED and

4498
03:15:20,640 --> 03:15:22,800
think we should probably have some type

4499
03:15:22,800 --> 03:15:25,279
of outreach that trains people how to

4500
03:15:25,279 --> 03:15:27,040
use the one since we do have one in the

4501
03:15:27,040 --> 03:15:30,399
community center. I think and maybe

4502
03:15:30,399 --> 03:15:32,720
there will be one in the pickle ball

4503
03:15:32,720 --> 03:15:34,319
court and that we need to make people

4504
03:15:34,319 --> 03:15:36,000
aware that they're available and they're

4505
03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:38,720
here and

4506
03:15:38,720 --> 03:15:42,640
we need to not just wait for 911 if we

4507
03:15:42,640 --> 03:15:43,439
were to need them.

4508
03:15:43,439 --> 03:15:44,880
>> Yeah. You want to train people to use

4509
03:15:44,880 --> 03:15:48,870
them if they're there. So,

4510
03:15:48,880 --> 03:15:52,000
I don't

4511
03:15:52,000 --> 03:15:53,520
>> And I guess if I could just say real

4512
03:15:53,520 --> 03:15:55,600
quick on the wind screens on the pickle

4513
03:15:55,600 --> 03:15:57,279
ball court, I think a fair amount of

4514
03:15:57,279 --> 03:16:00,640
work has already been done on that. So I

4515
03:16:00,640 --> 03:16:02,479
>> So ugly

4516
03:16:02,479 --> 03:16:02,960
screen is

4517
03:16:02,960 --> 03:16:05,279
>> the pictures I've seen. Yeah,

4518
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:10,469
>> it is. and and and I

4519
03:16:10,479 --> 03:16:14,239
I'm going to speak very honestly.

4520
03:16:14,239 --> 03:16:18,399
When those tennis courts were put in,

4521
03:16:18,399 --> 03:16:21,600
that was a community effort, right? that

4522
03:16:21,600 --> 03:16:23,920
money was raised.

4523
03:16:23,920 --> 03:16:32,560
Sweat, hard work, lots of um dedication went into raising

4524
03:16:32,560 --> 03:16:37,120
the money and for tennis courts and they

4525
03:16:37,120 --> 03:16:38,960
I know I'm bringing up bad blood that I

4526
03:16:38,960 --> 03:16:40,640
was not a part of, not maybe not bad

4527
03:16:40,640 --> 03:16:43,279
blood, old history. Now we have two

4528
03:16:43,279 --> 03:16:45,359
pickle ball courts and they are they are

4529
03:16:45,359 --> 03:16:48,239
also well-loved and they have great

4530
03:16:48,239 --> 03:16:50,880
attendance but

4531
03:16:50,880 --> 03:16:53,600
this feels like a lot of money and if

4532
03:16:53,600 --> 03:16:57,359
they're ugly um that's also a concern I

4533
03:16:57,359 --> 03:17:01,269
have and

4534
03:17:01,279 --> 03:17:04,630
I just

4535
03:17:04,640 --> 03:17:07,359
is this like constantly going to be

4536
03:17:07,359 --> 03:17:09,680
something we're always chasing is like

4537
03:17:09,680 --> 03:17:13,190
the best pickle ball courts

4538
03:17:13,200 --> 03:17:15,359
when we could be contributing to

4539
03:17:15,359 --> 03:17:17,279
something else in the community and kind

4540
03:17:17,279 --> 03:17:21,760
of spreading spreading the the the

4541
03:17:21,760 --> 03:17:24,239
contributions and spreading the the

4542
03:17:24,239 --> 03:17:27,359
money that we have and and also like

4543
03:17:27,359 --> 03:17:30,080
feeding other groups of other interest

4544
03:17:30,080 --> 03:17:33,359
groups. That's just my two cents.

4545
03:17:33,359 --> 03:17:35,120
>> Well, I mean I think sometimes you have

4546
03:17:35,120 --> 03:17:38,640
to look at function over appearance and

4547
03:17:38,640 --> 03:17:40,720
I mean you are talking about something

4548
03:17:40,720 --> 03:17:43,760
That's incredibly common

4549
03:17:43,760 --> 03:17:46,080
on pickle ball courts.

4550
03:17:46,080 --> 03:17:46,960
>> Windscreens are

4551
03:17:46,960 --> 03:17:48,720
>> wind screens are. Yeah. Because it's a

4552
03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:51,760
it's an issue. You know, the balls

4553
03:17:51,760 --> 03:17:53,520
and the and the court is well used. I

4554
03:17:53,520 --> 03:17:53,840
just

4555
03:17:53,840 --> 03:17:54,640
>> It's well used.

4556
03:17:54,640 --> 03:17:56,800
>> But when you say

4557
03:17:56,800 --> 03:17:59,200
function over form, that's not the world

4558
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:01,760
I lived in. I came out of a form and

4559
03:18:01,760 --> 03:18:03,359
function are both important world.

4560
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:05,279
That's what I'm struggling with. But,

4561
03:18:05,279 --> 03:18:06,960
>> you know, I know I know they're well

4562
03:18:06,960 --> 03:18:09,200
used and and everything like that. And

4563
03:18:09,200 --> 03:18:10,880
maybe we just need to take a little bit

4564
03:18:10,880 --> 03:18:14,239
more time to to try and address that as

4565
03:18:14,239 --> 03:18:17,279
best we can and see if there's something

4566
03:18:17,279 --> 03:18:19,760
that is a little more transparent. You

4567
03:18:19,760 --> 03:18:20,880
know, the material

4568
03:18:20,880 --> 03:18:23,200
>> that would be a good start just but but

4569
03:18:23,200 --> 03:18:24,880
I if a lot of work has already been

4570
03:18:24,880 --> 03:18:27,840
done, I'm not I'm not one of the pickle

4571
03:18:27,840 --> 03:18:29,359
ball players. I shouldn't make the

4572
03:18:29,359 --> 03:18:31,840
decision. So, everybody should weigh in

4573
03:18:31,840 --> 03:18:34,160
on that. And if it's if it's well along,

4574
03:18:34,160 --> 03:18:37,120
then I'm not going to stop it.

4575
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:39,520
>> Okay. Then I'll just let it out. I

4576
03:18:39,520 --> 03:18:40,640
personally will just let

4577
03:18:40,640 --> 03:18:42,479
>> correct correct Tom.

4578
03:18:42,479 --> 03:18:47,600
>> Well, he he's he's researched and he's identified some things. So, so in

4579
03:18:47,600 --> 03:18:49,040
that regard, yes, he's done quite a bit

4580
03:18:49,040 --> 03:18:51,200
of research and and trying to figure out

4581
03:18:51,200 --> 03:18:52,560
what could be done.

4582
03:18:52,560 --> 03:18:54,160
>> But

4583
03:18:54,160 --> 03:18:57,760
correct. But it's it's not as if um he's

4584
03:18:57,760 --> 03:19:01,040
uh like made preparations to install

4585
03:19:01,040 --> 03:19:02,640
them or things like that. He's he's just

4586
03:19:02,640 --> 03:19:04,800
done the prep work to know what's

4587
03:19:04,800 --> 03:19:06,479
available and what the approximate price

4588
03:19:06,479 --> 03:19:08,000
is.

4589
03:19:08,000 --> 03:19:09,520
just

4590
03:19:09,520 --> 03:19:13,120
do the best he can with with appearance

4591
03:19:13,120 --> 03:19:14,960
and if and it is what it is at that

4592
03:19:14,960 --> 03:19:18,710
point.

4593
03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:22,389
» Okay.

4594
03:19:22,399 --> 03:19:24,080
» Yeah, I'm less concerned about the cost

4595
03:19:24,080 --> 03:19:26,160
and the way the picture that he sent it

4596
03:19:26,160 --> 03:19:28,479
just we have such a beautiful

4597
03:19:28,479 --> 03:19:31,200
environment out there and

4598
03:19:31,200 --> 03:19:33,760
looks real fakey.

4599
03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:37,359
So, okay. Any other complaints,

4600
03:19:37,359 --> 03:19:40,239
questions, whining

4601
03:19:40,239 --> 03:19:41,359
>> on the budget

4602
03:19:41,359 --> 03:19:43,439
>> other than me?

4603
03:19:43,439 --> 03:19:46,000
I was the whiner.

4604
03:19:46,000 --> 03:19:49,040
>> Hint taken from Barbara then.

4605
03:19:49,040 --> 03:19:51,200
>> That's

4606
03:19:51,200 --> 03:19:53,600
Any other questions, comments? Okay. Do

4607
03:19:53,600 --> 03:19:55,840
we have a motion?

4608
03:19:55,840 --> 03:19:58,319
The motion remembers should schedule the

4609
03:19:58,319 --> 03:20:06,870
date as June 10th for the hearing times.

4610
03:20:06,880 --> 03:20:08,640
Uh, that's the other budget hearing.

4611
03:20:08,640 --> 03:20:11,040
That's next year. So, that's closing it

4612
03:20:11,040 --> 03:20:17,190
out. Closing out last year's budget.

4613
03:20:17,200 --> 03:20:20,880
» No, no motions.

4614
03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:22,160
>> Yeah.

4615
03:20:22,160 --> 03:20:25,040
>> To approve the tenative

4616
03:20:25,040 --> 03:20:28,239
>> and schedule the public hearing for our

4617
03:20:28,239 --> 03:20:30,960
meeting in June.

4618
03:20:30,960 --> 03:20:33,120
>> 10th.

4619
03:20:33,120 --> 03:20:37,120
I move to approve the tenative

4620
03:20:37,120 --> 03:20:40,319
2627 budget

4621
03:20:40,319 --> 03:20:45,359
and schedule a um meeting for June 10th

4622
03:20:45,359 --> 03:20:48,880
>> public that will be a public hearing.

4623
03:20:48,880 --> 03:20:50,720
>> Yeah. And it's just a clarification.

4624
03:20:50,720 --> 03:20:54,720
It's a tentative budget we're approving.

4625
03:20:54,720 --> 03:20:57,680
>> Will you accept talk about a whiner?

4626
03:20:57,680 --> 03:21:02,479
approve the the tenative 2627 budget and

4627
03:21:02,479 --> 03:21:07,359
schedule a public meeting for June 10th.

4628
03:21:07,359 --> 03:21:09,120
>> Okay, I'll second.

4629
03:21:09,120 --> 03:21:11,279
>> Motion by Jack, second by Kyla.

4630
03:21:11,279 --> 03:21:11,920
>> Pat I.

4631
03:21:11,920 --> 03:21:12,479
>> Randy,

4632
03:21:12,479 --> 03:21:13,200
>> Barbara.

4633
03:21:13,200 --> 03:21:13,680
>> Jack.

4634
03:21:13,680 --> 03:21:15,840
>> Kyla. I

4635
03:21:15,840 --> 03:21:17,920
>> Okay. Review and possible award of

4636
03:21:17,920 --> 03:21:20,000
contract to bike Utah for community

4637
03:21:20,000 --> 03:21:22,479
engagement services regarding trails in

4638
03:21:22,479 --> 03:21:25,200
Springdale. Um Tom, I guess you'll do

4639
03:21:25,200 --> 03:21:27,520
this in Ryan's absence.

4640
03:21:27,520 --> 03:21:30,479
That's correct. So, in uh the previous

4641
03:21:30,479 --> 03:21:34,640
meeting, the council awarded our

4642
03:21:34,640 --> 03:21:38,080
um consultant selection for our public

4643
03:21:38,080 --> 03:21:40,399
our our trails public outreach effort to

4644
03:21:40,399 --> 03:21:44,160
Bike Utah. Um in the time since you've

4645
03:21:44,160 --> 03:21:45,920
made that selection, we've worked with

4646
03:21:45,920 --> 03:21:48,640
Bike Utah on um a contract for their

4647
03:21:48,640 --> 03:21:51,760
services. the Greg and his team have

4648
03:21:51,760 --> 03:21:54,640
reviewed that contract and have have um

4649
03:21:54,640 --> 03:21:58,239
found it acceptable and so we're now

4650
03:21:58,239 --> 03:22:00,560
sharing that with the council. This will

4651
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:04,160
formally engage Bike Utah to do our

4652
03:22:04,160 --> 03:22:09,520
trails public outreach efforts. Um it's

4653
03:22:09,520 --> 03:22:11,040
80

4654
03:22:11,040 --> 03:22:14,389
$100

4655
03:22:14,399 --> 03:22:19,750
80.

4656
03:22:19,760 --> 03:22:23,760
» Um and the the scope of work is is

4657
03:22:23,760 --> 03:22:26,080
attached to the

4658
03:22:26,080 --> 03:22:27,840
contract. Any questions from the

4659
03:22:27,840 --> 03:22:29,680
council?

4660
03:22:29,680 --> 03:22:32,000
>> They were very thorough in their list,

4661
03:22:32,000 --> 03:22:33,760
their timeline and their list of what

4662
03:22:33,760 --> 03:22:35,520
they're going to do. I thought that was

4663
03:22:35,520 --> 03:22:38,399
great.

4664
03:22:38,399 --> 03:22:41,359
Is it important to have the amount um in

4665
03:22:41,359 --> 03:22:43,920
the motion?

4666
03:22:43,920 --> 03:22:45,760
>> It you it doesn't hurt. I don't think

4667
03:22:45,760 --> 03:22:48,399
it's required. I just mentioned $8,100.

4668
03:22:48,399 --> 03:22:50,319
>> It's an expenditure fund, so it's good

4669
03:22:50,319 --> 03:22:51,359
to

4670
03:22:51,359 --> 03:22:51,600
>> Yes,

4671
03:22:51,600 --> 03:22:57,910
>> it's good to say it. Okay.

4672
03:22:57,920 --> 03:23:00,239
Are we ready for a motion?

4673
03:23:00,239 --> 03:23:03,920
>> Yes. I move to approve the contract

4674
03:23:03,920 --> 03:23:06,479
between the town of Springdale and Bike

4675
03:23:06,479 --> 03:23:09,920
Utah in the amount of $8,100

4676
03:23:09,920 --> 03:23:11,920
for community engagement services

4677
03:23:11,920 --> 03:23:14,319
regarding trails in Springdale and

4678
03:23:14,319 --> 03:23:17,520
direct the mayor to sign.

4679
03:23:17,520 --> 03:23:18,160
>> Second

4680
03:23:18,160 --> 03:23:21,439
>> motion by Kyla, second by Randy.

4681
03:23:21,439 --> 03:23:22,880
>> Barbara I

4682
03:23:22,880 --> 03:23:25,840
>> Kyla I.

4683
03:23:25,840 --> 03:23:28,000
Next item on the agenda, local consent

4684
03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:30,640
request for an off- premise beer permit

4685
03:23:30,640 --> 03:23:33,359
to sell alcohol at Hotel Denovo located

4686
03:23:33,359 --> 03:23:36,640
at 2400 Zion Park Boulevard, Springdale,

4687
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:38,800
Utah 84767.

4688
03:23:38,800 --> 03:23:41,120
The applicant is Sam Patel and the staff

4689
03:23:41,120 --> 03:23:51,670
contact is Kindle.

4690
03:23:51,680 --> 03:23:54,160
Excuse me. As you said, San Patel

4691
03:23:54,160 --> 03:23:56,000
requests local consent to apply for an

4692
03:23:56,000 --> 03:23:58,000
off-remise beer permit through the

4693
03:23:58,000 --> 03:24:00,080
Department of Alcoholic Beverage

4694
03:24:00,080 --> 03:24:03,680
Services at Hotel Denovo located at 2400

4695
03:24:03,680 --> 03:24:07,910
Zion Park Boulevard.

4696
03:24:07,920 --> 03:24:11,359
» And he's only going to sell beer there.

4697
03:24:11,359 --> 03:24:13,439
>> That's what I'm reading.

4698
03:24:13,439 --> 03:24:14,640
>> Probably out of their little store

4699
03:24:14,640 --> 03:24:15,120
there.

4700
03:24:15,120 --> 03:24:18,000
>> Yes. The off-remise beer license um will

4701
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:20,880
be for 5% alcohol by volume or less beer

4702
03:24:20,880 --> 03:24:27,349
to go from retail businesses

4703
03:24:27,359 --> 03:24:30,479
» and they well probably the restaurant

4704
03:24:30,479 --> 03:24:33,359
already has or does the hotel already

4705
03:24:33,359 --> 03:24:36,960
have like a like room service type of

4706
03:24:36,960 --> 03:24:38,560
license? Do we know?

4707
03:24:38,560 --> 03:24:40,640
>> I'm not sure, but I'd be happy to look

4708
03:24:40,640 --> 03:24:42,560
that up. Well, it was just more of a

4709
03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:44,880
curiosity like this is brand new to

4710
03:24:44,880 --> 03:24:47,520
>> they have a a full bar menu, so they

4711
03:24:47,520 --> 03:24:48,880
must already have a license. I think

4712
03:24:48,880 --> 03:24:51,439
what he said in this application is that

4713
03:24:51,439 --> 03:24:53,200
he wants to be able to sell it at their

4714
03:24:53,200 --> 03:24:55,279
little convenience store in the in the

4715
03:24:55,279 --> 03:24:55,760
hotel.

4716
03:24:55,760 --> 03:24:57,760
>> Yeah. In order to stay with the Hilton

4717
03:24:57,760 --> 03:24:59,920
brand in line with what the Hilton brand

4718
03:24:59,920 --> 03:25:01,680
requires.

4719
03:25:01,680 --> 03:25:04,960
Okay. I have a motion if we're ready.

4720
03:25:04,960 --> 03:25:07,520
I move to approve the local consent

4721
03:25:07,520 --> 03:25:11,120
request for an off- premise beer permit

4722
03:25:11,120 --> 03:25:14,640
to sell alcohol at Hotel Denovo located

4723
03:25:14,640 --> 03:25:18,150
at 2,400

4724
03:25:18,160 --> 03:25:21,439
um Zion Park Boulevard and direct the

4725
03:25:21,439 --> 03:25:23,600
mayor to sign.

4726
03:25:23,600 --> 03:25:24,399
>> Second

4727
03:25:24,399 --> 03:25:29,040
>> motion by Kyla, second by Jack

4728
03:25:29,040 --> 03:25:30,479
>> Barb.

4729
03:25:30,479 --> 03:25:37,190
>> Kyla I. Is there any other discussion?

4730
03:25:37,200 --> 03:25:39,359
» You're allowed to speak.

4731
03:25:39,359 --> 03:25:41,359
>> So, I think all of us I don't know,

4732
03:25:41,359 --> 03:25:43,520
Kyle, if I saw you, but all of us were

4733
03:25:43,520 --> 03:25:46,640
at the Eric Duck

4734
03:25:46,640 --> 03:25:48,479
and I I got to tell you, sitting there,

4735
03:25:48,479 --> 03:25:50,640
I thought, what a great event and how

4736
03:25:50,640 --> 03:25:52,560
appropriate for Springdale. And it's

4737
03:25:52,560 --> 03:25:55,520
just so unfortunate that we don't have

4738
03:25:55,520 --> 03:25:58,239
more events like that. And so, I just

4739
03:25:58,239 --> 03:26:01,120
kind of wanted to throw up the idea of,

4740
03:26:01,120 --> 03:26:03,359
you know, whoever would like to take the

4741
03:26:03,359 --> 03:26:05,520
ball and run with it. The idea of like

4742
03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:07,920
kind of a springfall

4743
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:12,800
um music series for at the gazebo just

4744
03:26:12,800 --> 03:26:15,279
to bring into some some performers, you

4745
03:26:15,279 --> 03:26:16,880
know, a couple times during the year

4746
03:26:16,880 --> 03:26:19,120
because it was such a great event. It

4747
03:26:19,120 --> 03:26:22,239
was, you know, and you know, I wasn't

4748
03:26:22,239 --> 03:26:24,080
sure if that's something the arts would

4749
03:26:24,080 --> 03:26:26,479
want to take on or how that would

4750
03:26:26,479 --> 03:26:29,040
happen, but it sure was nice. So,

4751
03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:32,479
>> well, that one I think was planned and u

4752
03:26:32,479 --> 03:26:35,680
taken on by the 250 committee

4753
03:26:35,680 --> 03:26:39,040
>> which is includes Kindle. Thank you,

4754
03:26:39,040 --> 03:26:42,000
Kendall. That was great. And maybe you

4755
03:26:42,000 --> 03:26:45,520
can discuss another one in the fall. Um

4756
03:26:45,520 --> 03:26:47,439
and it was nice that it was a local

4757
03:26:47,439 --> 03:26:49,920
artist, a local musician, too. You know,

4758
03:26:49,920 --> 03:26:52,319
somebody not Springdale, but but still

4759
03:26:52,319 --> 03:26:55,439
local. And it's pretty great.

4760
03:26:55,439 --> 03:26:57,439
>> Um I think that would be a great idea.

4761
03:26:57,439 --> 03:26:59,520
Um, I don't know if the America 250

4762
03:26:59,520 --> 03:27:01,920
committee will be going past the 4th of

4763
03:27:01,920 --> 03:27:04,319
July, but it's okay. Something that we

4764
03:27:04,319 --> 03:27:06,960
can definitely think about.

4765
03:27:06,960 --> 03:27:09,359
>> I guess a question is I mean, would we

4766
03:27:09,359 --> 03:27:11,520
want to do a placeholder for wrap tax

4767
03:27:11,520 --> 03:27:13,840
for something like that?

4768
03:27:13,840 --> 03:27:15,359
>> Yeah. So that that's just what I was

4769
03:27:15,359 --> 03:27:17,680
going to mention that we were fortunate

4770
03:27:17,680 --> 03:27:19,279
not fortunate we were fortunate to have

4771
03:27:19,279 --> 03:27:22,160
Kindle who was very skilled at getting

4772
03:27:22,160 --> 03:27:25,680
funding for the Eric Dodge to that that

4773
03:27:25,680 --> 03:27:30,319
paid for him to come in. You know, he's he's not free. So if we wanted to

4774
03:27:30,319 --> 03:27:33,359
do that, we would um need to figure out

4775
03:27:33,359 --> 03:27:35,439
how to allocate resources to it. So yes,

4776
03:27:35,439 --> 03:27:39,120
if you want if you wanted to um you

4777
03:27:39,120 --> 03:27:41,120
utilize some of the wrap tax for that,

4778
03:27:41,120 --> 03:27:42,239
you could. That would be a trade-off

4779
03:27:42,239 --> 03:27:43,200
with some of the other things that

4780
03:27:43,200 --> 03:27:48,950
you've already already mentioned.

4781
03:27:48,960 --> 03:27:50,560
» Bill, how much?

4782
03:27:50,560 --> 03:27:53,200
>> I I was I was, you know, not going to

4783
03:27:53,200 --> 03:27:55,279
say that, but I'm glad you did.

4784
03:27:55,279 --> 03:27:58,000
>> That would give us more bang.

4785
03:27:58,000 --> 03:27:59,680
>> Um,

4786
03:27:59,680 --> 03:28:03,920
>> I mean, at least I was at least heard.

4787
03:28:03,920 --> 03:28:08,080
Anyway, Kendall, how much money um did

4788
03:28:08,080 --> 03:28:11,040
we receive from America 250?

4789
03:28:11,040 --> 03:28:13,200
like what do we need? What kind of goal

4790
03:28:13,200 --> 03:28:16,239
would we have to to to accomplish an

4791
03:28:16,239 --> 03:28:17,680
event like that?

4792
03:28:17,680 --> 03:28:21,279
>> So, we got two stipens stipens from the

4793
03:28:21,279 --> 03:28:25,200
state. One was 1,500, one was 1,200 and

4794
03:28:25,200 --> 03:28:27,760
then Robin Sanders actually applied for

4795
03:28:27,760 --> 03:28:30,000
a concert sponsorship which helped cover

4796
03:28:30,000 --> 03:28:32,080
the Eric Dodge concert and that was

4797
03:28:32,080 --> 03:28:33,680
2,000.

4798
03:28:33,680 --> 03:28:37,120
Eric Dodge himself was was about two

4799
03:28:37,120 --> 03:28:41,510
grand.

4800
03:28:41,520 --> 03:28:43,359
that at least gives us an idea of like

4801
03:28:43,359 --> 03:28:47,359
what kind of money we need to

4802
03:28:47,359 --> 03:28:48,479
think about.

4803
03:28:48,479 --> 03:28:51,680
>> Yeah. And then we also had a food truck

4804
03:28:51,680 --> 03:28:54,239
which we we didn't purchase that. Um and

4805
03:28:54,239 --> 03:28:56,160
then we had the large outdoor event but

4806
03:28:56,160 --> 03:28:59,439
the fees were waved. So it really was

4807
03:28:59,439 --> 03:29:02,000
only Eric that that we paid for and he

4808
03:29:02,000 --> 03:29:04,239
was fantastic to work with.

4809
03:29:04,239 --> 03:29:05,920
>> Part of it you know the question is is

4810
03:29:05,920 --> 03:29:08,160
like how grassroots do you want it? you

4811
03:29:08,160 --> 03:29:09,439
know, because it sounds like we've got

4812
03:29:09,439 --> 03:29:11,840
some pretty amazing local talent, you

4813
03:29:11,840 --> 03:29:14,800
know, so maybe, you know, it could be

4814
03:29:14,800 --> 03:29:18,319
done for much less for, you know, people

4815
03:29:18,319 --> 03:29:19,200
who would like to get up.

4816
03:29:19,200 --> 03:29:21,760
>> Well, Jack, what if the what if the art

4817
03:29:21,760 --> 03:29:24,720
board put out a call for local talent

4818
03:29:24,720 --> 03:29:27,040
that that wants to do this that that

4819
03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:29,120
would be willing to do a concert at the

4820
03:29:29,120 --> 03:29:31,279
gazebo

4821
03:29:31,279 --> 03:29:33,520
like we do for other things?

4822
03:29:33,520 --> 03:29:35,279
>> Instead of visual art, have it be like

4823
03:29:35,279 --> 03:29:37,439
>> Yeah. I mean, performing arts are arts,

4824
03:29:37,439 --> 03:29:37,760
too.

4825
03:29:37,760 --> 03:29:39,359
>> What do you think, Nile? Would that fit

4826
03:29:39,359 --> 03:29:46,710
within our?

4827
03:29:46,720 --> 03:29:48,560
» Yes. I think if the art review board

4828
03:29:48,560 --> 03:29:50,560
wanted to branch out into performing

4829
03:29:50,560 --> 03:29:52,080
arts, that would be something they could

4830
03:29:52,080 --> 03:29:56,550
do.

4831
03:29:56,560 --> 03:29:59,040
I also think maybe the community health

4832
03:29:59,040 --> 03:30:02,640
coalition which is

4833
03:30:02,640 --> 03:30:04,080
maybe going to be called something

4834
03:30:04,080 --> 03:30:05,359
different in the future but we're

4835
03:30:05,359 --> 03:30:07,200
working on that another word smithing

4836
03:30:07,200 --> 03:30:11,279
activity um maybe because it is bringing

4837
03:30:11,279 --> 03:30:13,680
people together um that maybe the

4838
03:30:13,680 --> 03:30:16,000
community

4839
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:19,840
recreation committee might have some

4840
03:30:19,840 --> 03:30:22,720
potential energy in that same direction.

4841
03:30:22,720 --> 03:30:24,960
We don't have a budget. Just saying.

4842
03:30:24,960 --> 03:30:28,560
Don't come after my money.

4843
03:30:28,560 --> 03:30:31,680
Um, well, if you come up with some ideas

4844
03:30:31,680 --> 03:30:34,399
and we could we could ask for the

4845
03:30:34,399 --> 03:30:36,000
budget, you know, ask for the funds and

4846
03:30:36,000 --> 03:30:38,160
see if we have them, if we can find

4847
03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:39,439
them.

4848
03:30:39,439 --> 03:30:39,760
>> Yeah.

4849
03:30:39,760 --> 03:30:41,279
>> At least it sounds like we're open to

4850
03:30:41,279 --> 03:30:45,359
the idea of exploring it.

4851
03:30:45,359 --> 03:30:48,479
>> Great. Um, I am not sure with the new

4852
03:30:48,479 --> 03:30:50,640
policy if I should ask, but I thought

4853
03:30:50,640 --> 03:30:55,120
that the information that, um, um,

4854
03:30:55,120 --> 03:30:57,040
Superintendent Brady Ba had on the

4855
03:30:57,040 --> 03:30:58,960
screen today was very informative and I

4856
03:30:58,960 --> 03:31:01,359
would like that to be in the packet

4857
03:31:01,359 --> 03:31:03,200
material

4858
03:31:03,200 --> 03:31:04,800
or if that kind of presentation just

4859
03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:05,200
automat.

4860
03:31:05,200 --> 03:31:06,239
>> You're talking about the mosquito

4861
03:31:06,239 --> 03:31:07,760
presentation.

4862
03:31:07,760 --> 03:31:08,080
>> No,

4863
03:31:08,080 --> 03:31:10,800
>> Brady Ba the spending authority

4864
03:31:10,800 --> 03:31:13,040
>> spending but maybe the mosquito

4865
03:31:13,040 --> 03:31:13,359
information.

4866
03:31:13,359 --> 03:31:15,359
>> I thought you said omit. I'm sorry. No,

4867
03:31:15,359 --> 03:31:17,920
sorry. Brady bought and and and while

4868
03:31:17,920 --> 03:31:19,520
we're at it, let's just add the mosquito

4869
03:31:19,520 --> 03:31:20,560
stuff, too, because

4870
03:31:20,560 --> 03:31:21,600
>> it's fascinating.

4871
03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:24,560
>> It it really is specific Springdale

4872
03:31:24,560 --> 03:31:26,319
data. And I don't know if that's like

4873
03:31:26,319 --> 03:31:28,160
redundant of me to say it, but I know we

4874
03:31:28,160 --> 03:31:31,279
just kind of talked about when we want

4875
03:31:31,279 --> 03:31:33,760
things added into the minutes and when

4876
03:31:33,760 --> 03:31:34,479
we don't.

4877
03:31:34,479 --> 03:31:36,880
>> Um, the chart that that Jeff Brady Bos

4878
03:31:36,880 --> 03:31:38,880
showed was

4879
03:31:38,880 --> 03:31:41,120
not something that would be easily

4880
03:31:41,120 --> 03:31:43,120
understood to just see it without an

4881
03:31:43,120 --> 03:31:45,520
explanation.

4882
03:31:45,520 --> 03:31:47,439
But it does demonstrate how little of

4883
03:31:47,439 --> 03:31:50,080
the money that is collected at the gate

4884
03:31:50,080 --> 03:31:51,840
goes to the park. So what do you think,

4885
03:31:51,840 --> 03:31:55,269
Jeff?

4886
03:31:55,279 --> 03:31:57,680
» I I mean I thought at the very bottom of

4887
03:31:57,680 --> 03:32:01,520
it that was pretty telling of how much

4888
03:32:01,520 --> 03:32:04,319
you know of the entrance fee, what's

4889
03:32:04,319 --> 03:32:06,960
left over from it for park priorities.

4890
03:32:06,960 --> 03:32:09,760
>> We could put it in and you know there's

4891
03:32:09,760 --> 03:32:11,359
nothing. It's not going to hurt to have

4892
03:32:11,359 --> 03:32:13,120
it in there. If someone doesn't

4893
03:32:13,120 --> 03:32:15,120
understand it, then they know what they

4894
03:32:15,120 --> 03:32:16,960
know already, right? So,

4895
03:32:16,960 --> 03:32:19,279
>> well, and if they're listening to the

4896
03:32:19,279 --> 03:32:21,120
maybe the visuals are there if they're

4897
03:32:21,120 --> 03:32:23,600
on YouTube, that's the part I always

4898
03:32:23,600 --> 03:32:25,840
Yeah, that's not my thing.

4899
03:32:25,840 --> 03:32:28,160
>> Um, if they're just listening to then

4900
03:32:28,160 --> 03:32:30,479
maybe they would want to go back and

4901
03:32:30,479 --> 03:32:34,560
see. So, anyway, okay. I move that we

4902
03:32:34,560 --> 03:32:36,960
adjourn.

4903
03:32:36,960 --> 03:32:40,239
>> Motion by Kyla, second by Paty.

4904
03:32:40,239 --> 03:32:42,000
>> Barbara.

4905
03:32:42,000 --> 03:32:42,960
I

4906
03:32:42,960 --> 03:32:47,510
>> acts like he's ready to leave.

4907
03:32:47,520 --> 03:32:53,990
» Is this the our longest

4908
03:32:54,000 --> 03:32:57,520
» Randy? And I