1 00:01:59,760 --> 00:07:44,750 Mhm. 2 00:07:44,760 --> 00:47:49,310 » Mhm. 3 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,200 » What are you? 4 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,000 Is that all? I just I told Jack that he 5 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,760 can next. 6 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,480 >> Uh 7 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,520 let's give him a couple more minutes. 8 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,000 And then 9 00:47:58,000 --> 00:51:49,750 I can have the doctor call you back. 10 00:51:49,760 --> 00:52:15,030 » Mhm. 11 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,800 » here today 12 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,880 on May 18th, Monday, May 18th at 12:00. 13 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,960 It's currently 12:09. 14 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,080 The Art Working Group 15 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,550 meeting 16 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,280 holding a special meeting 17 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,640 at the King Community Center, 126 Main 18 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,720 Boulevard, Springfield, Utah. 19 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,910 Um 20 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,040 Do I have a motion to approve the 21 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,630 agenda? 22 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,840 » I'll make a motion to approve it, but I 23 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,440 would like to add under new business, whether or not we got to 24 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,160 it today. 25 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,360 Uh 26 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,270 budget. 27 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,240 » I We can talk about the budget and we 28 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,480 can I don't know if 29 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,800 I think that the budget would have to be 30 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,680 talked about 31 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,120 first with the Town Council, wouldn't 32 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,920 it? They'd have to open their budget and 33 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,720 >> So, is this referring to the 34 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:11,600 budget that's been allocated to public 35 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,000 art in the town? 36 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,840 So, we could potentially just go start 37 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,360 under the public art plan discussion, or 38 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,920 you could add a separate item. Either 39 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,640 would be fine. 40 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,960 >> I'd like to add 41 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,520 Just there. I'd like to add the context 42 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,520 that I do have a hard stop at 1:00 43 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,320 because I have a medical appointment, 44 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,800 so. 45 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:32,320 with 46 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,640 >> Um if we can just discuss it under 47 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,120 If Nile said, are you all right with 48 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:36,560 that? 49 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:36,960 >> That's fine. 50 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:37,800 >> Okay, so do I have a 51 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,840 >> a hard stop um 52 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,710 at 1:00. Maybe we should consider moving 53 00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,840 » item three up, or see the consent agenda 54 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,600 before we start into the public art 55 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:52,960 plan. 56 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,640 >> Okay, let's go ahead. So, do I have a 57 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,160 motion to approve the agenda with the 58 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,960 um change of moving item number C 59 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,760 underneath item number A. 60 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,480 >> I so move. 61 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,000 >> Second. Second. 62 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:10,840 >> All in favor? 63 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:17,400 >> Aye. 64 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,000 So, first on the agenda, um Nile will 65 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,040 let you speak to this first application 66 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,840 for mural at Iceberg Restaurant, 849 67 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,430 Zion Park Boulevard. 68 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,760 » Yes, thank you. 69 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,600 >> So, I can't hear you very much. 70 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:38,240 >> Okay, is that better? Okay, I'll just talk close. 71 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,360 Um so, uh 72 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,080 this item is reviewing a mural 73 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,560 application that's been submitted by Mr. 74 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,320 Armand Boukhab, and he's right here, and 75 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,080 um 76 00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,680 uh the mural is on his business, uh 77 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,680 Iceberg Restaurant at 849 Zion Park 78 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,200 Boulevard. 79 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,800 So, at the time that the mural was 80 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,680 installed, uh the applicant was unaware 81 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,840 that there was any need to apply for a 82 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,720 permit, um and once he was made aware of 83 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:11,040 that requirement, he he made that permit 84 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,360 application. 85 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,680 Um 86 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,320 so, now the art review board is 87 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,800 requested to review the permit 88 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,920 application and make a 89 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,800 determination on that. 90 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,120 So, the mural is a vinyl wrap attached 91 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,760 to a side window of the restaurant. Um 92 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,200 it's technically a mural rather than a 93 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,800 window sign, 94 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,920 um because a window sign, according to 95 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,680 our um sign ordinance, can only take up 96 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,520 25% of the glazed area. So, because this 97 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,600 is the whole glazed area, it's it's 98 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,480 technically a mural. 99 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,840 Um, 100 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,360 so the mural, let me bring up a 101 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:57,870 visual. 102 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,000 So, here it is. So, as you can see, it 103 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,520 depicts uh Zion Canyon. 104 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,880 Um, and in terms of the size and 105 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,240 dimensions, it complies with uh the 106 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,080 relevant standards. 107 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,840 Uh there are three areas where the sign 108 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,280 may not or the sorry, the mural may not 109 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,280 comply with the standards. So, those are 110 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,640 the the points where I'd encourage the 111 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,080 board to 112 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,720 focus your discussion on. 113 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,120 So, firstly, uh color palette. 114 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,480 So, 115 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,880 um murals are required to be the town 116 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,440 color palette. 117 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,840 Um, many of the colors on the mural 118 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,000 don't comply with the color palette. 119 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,240 However, there are certain um exceptions 120 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:45,600 to the color palette requirement, which 121 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,400 are in the policy. So, 122 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,200 uh during your deliberation, I'd 123 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,560 recommend 124 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,520 uh you refer to those exceptions to see 125 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,360 if if they will apply in this case. 126 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,120 Uh the second point is about the 127 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,440 signage. So, you can see um originally, 128 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,240 there was Iceberg Drive-In, and the 129 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:07,960 iceberg has been blocked off, and the 130 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,720 drive-in is still there. 131 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,120 Um, 132 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,600 the um 133 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,160 signage is not allowed as part of murals 134 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,880 or any kind of even indirect references. 135 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,880 So, I would recommend that 136 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,880 um the drive-in would also need to be 137 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,320 removed, too, 138 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,080 um because it kind of refers to the 139 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,360 restaurant. 140 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,880 Um, and then thirdly, 141 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,920 uh 142 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,720 murals are not um allowed to be 143 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,560 illuminated. And with this being on a window when the 144 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,560 light inside is turned on at night, it 145 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,680 is it is essentially backlit or 146 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,520 illuminated. So that's uh something for you 147 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,760 to consider. Um 148 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,920 So I'd be happy to answer any questions. 149 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,720 The applicant is right here as well. So 150 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,280 I think he'd be happy to answer any 151 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:04,070 questions as well that you may have. 152 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,120 » I just have a couple questions. One, 153 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,240 I know that we have a mural policy. 154 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,640 How do we communicate that to the 155 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:17,240 community and to businesses? Um so that 156 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,800 they know uh for example, if someone goes for a 157 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,160 business license, do they get all the policy on on murals? 158 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,080 So I know that the mayor used to used to 159 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,520 do a newsletter. I haven't gotten one 160 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,480 recently, but uh would that be something 161 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,080 that either the city could mail out to 162 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,280 all residents as well as uh businesses 163 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,200 stating that there is a mural excuse me 164 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,840 a mural policy or and the mayor 165 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,400 might be able to put something in the 166 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,720 newsletter or 167 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,000 you know, your office could. Is that a 168 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,360 possibility? 169 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,920 >> Yeah, I I think that would be a really 170 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,280 good idea and cuz we do have the mural 171 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,040 policy, but it's um 172 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,280 not everybody knows about it. Um so 173 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,600 yeah, I think we can probably 174 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,240 do better at publicizing that. So 175 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,600 whether through the monthly newsletter 176 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,120 that the town sends out or or some other 177 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,840 form that that would be I think a good 178 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,760 suggestion. 179 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,160 >> Yeah, I think that'd be real helpful. 180 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,200 And then the other question I have, I I 181 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,440 of looked up definition of murals. 182 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,120 Uh and I know this is a wrap. 183 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,120 But what is our definition of a mural? 184 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,640 Because what I read, it's either 185 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,760 painted, on canvas and 186 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,320 applied. 187 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,440 Um and so 188 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,200 this is something 189 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,680 I saw this 190 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:52,200 more as a sign rather than a mural. 191 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,640 >> So the definition of a mural that we 192 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,200 have in the mural policy is 193 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,440 the mix of colors, designs, shapes, and 194 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,560 other design elements painted or 195 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,440 permanently affixed onto a vertical or 196 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,480 near vertical surface of a structure for 197 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,720 the purpose of artistic display. 198 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:12,720 So 199 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,120 >> You had the word painted. And this isn't 200 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:15,680 painted. 201 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,080 >> Or per- or permanently applied. 202 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:18,960 >> Yeah. 203 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,480 >> and I I share your confusion. But but 204 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,480 yeah. 205 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,760 >> So yeah, it's it says painted, but it 206 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,440 also says says or permanently affixed, 207 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,760 which 208 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,440 I think that's where this one would 209 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,280 meet that requirement. 210 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,840 >> Okay. I might have a question. 211 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,480 >> Um I've got a question on the color 212 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,240 palette issue. 213 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,160 Um 214 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,760 it said 215 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,560 Well, the policy is if if a majority of 216 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,160 the What's it say? Um 217 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,070 bidy bidy uh 218 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,800 It talks about a majority of the colors 219 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,720 being in the palette and some exceptions 220 01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,120 for 221 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,640 flyers um 222 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,600 outside of that. But you're saying that 223 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,280 many of these colors are not on the 224 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,600 palette? 225 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,680 >> Yeah. So 226 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,800 >> And so I'm going to say how because it's 227 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,400 Zion National Park. Look it up. I mean 228 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,880 when I I'm sorry cuz I'm 229 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,960 >> No, I have the same question. 230 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,000 >> Because I look at this one 231 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,720 and I'm like of all the people who have 232 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,640 put all sorts of things in their windows 233 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,520 of businesses in Springdale, 234 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,080 this is about as tasteful as you can 235 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:28,880 get. 236 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,800 >> I I mean 237 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,720 >> Yes, it's got the whole window and I 238 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,800 it's backlit, 239 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,720 but we're talking about public 240 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,320 installations of art pieces and this is 241 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,040 I almost looked at it as a public 242 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,440 installation of an art piece. 243 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,200 >> I do too. 244 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,320 >> And even 245 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,160 I and I realize we just nitpicked 246 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,480 somebody else who had something if we 247 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,720 call this a mural, that's one thing. I'm 248 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,920 not calling it a mural in my opinion. 249 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,960 Because I look at it and it almost has 250 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,920 that retro look by putting Iceberg 251 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,960 Drive-In. There is no drive-in. It's 252 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,320 just that Iceberg started out as a 253 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,840 drive-in restaurant and it's nostalgic 254 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,800 and it's 255 01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,520 in my opinion spot-on. If you go right 256 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:13,840 around the corner and you look at what 257 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,920 the the Springdale Candy Company has 258 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,680 just put up a bunch of signs in their 259 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,680 window and 260 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,800 to me that's far more advertising. The 261 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,800 Switchback has, you know, steaks and 262 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,600 this and that and 263 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:26,560 Yeah. 264 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,560 >> It's actually not even street facing 265 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:29,320 technically. 266 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:30,840 >> It's not even street facing. It's a 267 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:31,440 bottle. 268 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,240 >> Yeah. 269 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:34,920 >> Looks better than the stucco that's on 270 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:42,430 the rest of that wall. I don't In this particular case, 271 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,440 I think it's great. 272 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:44,640 >> I do too. 273 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,840 >> I'm sorry. And if that puts us into all 274 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,000 sorts of conflict, 275 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,120 >> Yeah. 276 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,040 >> Does all that something else? 277 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,360 >> It does, but I think there's a way to 278 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:53,120 fix it. 279 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,160 >> Okay. 280 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:54,480 Fix 281 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,200 >> But I'm Well, I'm still confused on what 282 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,560 colors in this are not on the palette. 283 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,880 >> Sure. So, let me let me pull it up. So, 284 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,400 our zoning administrator went out and 285 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,880 did an analysis on this. 286 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:08,640 Um 287 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,040 >> I saw the check marks. 288 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,920 >> Yeah, so it's kind of hard to see. Um 289 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,240 but obviously there you know, there 290 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,720 there's a lot of color in there, right? 291 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,720 So, 292 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,000 it's hard to get absolutely everything. 293 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,920 But, the check marks are colors that did 294 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,320 comply. 295 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,520 Um and then the other areas. So, 296 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,480 surprisingly 297 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,720 the sandstone cliffs are 298 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,790 not in the color palette. 299 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,000 So, 300 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,000 >> We need to change the canyon, clearly. 301 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,560 >> I mean, I was just shocked. 302 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,640 >> I mean, it's it's more illustration than 303 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,160 signage. 304 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,880 And it's a beautiful depiction. 305 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,320 Albeit probably AI, but like nicely 306 01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,240 done. And I I just think like 307 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,800 at what point do we go out with a little 308 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,840 color, you know, 309 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,520 analysis gun and and nitpick on the tiny 310 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:02,960 little corners when it depicts the 311 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,560 canyon beautifully. So. 312 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,520 >> I mean, when we talked about public 313 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,160 installations of art, we talked about 314 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,080 the retaining walls and eventually 315 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,920 potentially even having photography or a 316 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,760 painting or something. 317 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,400 I I see this as exactly the direction we 318 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,280 were talking about going. 319 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,440 And I think it enhances that corner. 320 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,360 And 321 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,800 So. 322 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,240 >> I have a question. How were they 323 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,840 handled? They've got it taped. Now, 324 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,640 they're going to tape off the drive-in. 325 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,440 That it's not real 326 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,520 >> I'm going to say well, any of it. It's 327 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,270 just 328 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,200 It's what Whereas like well, well, thank 329 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,680 you for following the letter of the law 330 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,240 and it looks much better without the 331 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,320 tape. 332 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,760 >> Um I'm I'm sorry. I I just 333 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,240 >> No, I'm I'm in 100% agreement. It's like 334 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,480 why are we here taking down cool looking 335 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,920 things in town because we can shoehorn 336 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,800 them into some stipulation that we need 337 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:00,960 to worry about. That's what it feels 338 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,800 like. 339 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,200 >> So, you would recommend that 340 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,640 >> Mike, okay, Mike, you 341 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,320 >> I'm having distress. We spent, I don't 342 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,560 know, five or six meetings 343 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,630 developing a mural policy. It was well 344 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,960 ballpark it all under the street. 345 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,920 If this is a mural, it does not comply. 346 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,200 >> Can we call it something else? 347 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,440 >> Yes. What's the spirit of the the the spirit of coming up with a good 348 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,760 policy is to make sure things we don't 349 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,800 like don't go up. 350 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,200 And it sounds like we like this. And so 351 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,640 it's like I don't like I don't 352 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:33,960 >> Well, I do and you do. I don't know 353 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,680 >> Yeah. I I mean it's like there's no need 354 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,000 to be bullies because we 355 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,480 >> I'm using our mural policy as a reason 356 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:41,560 to 357 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,520 um 358 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,360 have some concerns. But I think it's 359 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:45,800 fixable. 360 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:46,440 Um 361 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,520 >> Why can't it be a sign? That's my 362 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:49,160 question. 363 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,840 >> It covers too much of the window space. 364 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,520 >> So do we Do we learn from this and say 365 01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,480 maybe the that description is wrong? 366 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,680 Like the rules should If we're here to 367 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,840 decide the rules that we want, then we 368 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,000 should make the rules that we want, not 369 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,120 go oh shoot, we're stuck. 370 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:08,000 Right? 371 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:08,560 >> So 372 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,800 >> Mike, how do you feel about I I'm not 373 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,960 trying to throw you under the bus here. 374 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,200 I you know, cuz I kind of just seem like 375 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,600 I did. 376 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:17,040 But 377 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,790 >> Never trust anyone who starts with now. 378 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,240 » Um I just I mean you and I jumped off 379 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,000 right away saying we like it, but that 380 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,560 doesn't mean it's appropriate. And maybe 381 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,680 I need to reel back in to what's 382 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,960 appropriate. And if we're going to make 383 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,960 a policy and we just said Zion 384 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,800 Adventure, that doesn't work. 385 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,200 >> Exactly. 386 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,840 >> Can I make a suggestion on the color? 387 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:45,910 So if 388 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,120 » tentatively approve give them approval 389 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,000 for it. 390 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,080 >> Then I'd like you to take the 391 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:51,800 stand. 392 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,240 >> Well, there's there's only a Well, 393 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,560 there's an issue that we didn't talk 394 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,160 about in the notes. It said we had to 395 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,040 determine whether it was Does it promote 396 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,560 and enhance the town's village 397 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:01,720 character? 398 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,240 Okay. So we need to find have findings 399 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,120 on that. That's pretty simple. 400 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,480 Um 401 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,080 the color palette um 402 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,320 again, I don't understand why it doesn't 403 01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:18,240 comply, but our mural policy gives us It 404 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,200 says uh if the 405 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,560 majority of the colors do not contain 406 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,680 colors shown on the town's palette for 407 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,120 building and structures, then 408 01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,000 the applicant must demonstrate why these 409 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,520 colors are necessary and why no color on 410 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,400 the approved palette could be used. I 411 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,840 mean, that's a one-sentence reason. 412 01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,280 >> Because it looks exactly like the Grand 413 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:38,720 Canyon. 414 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:39,680 >> Okay. 415 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,480 So, it's we In our policy, we have a way 416 01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:42,120 to fix that. 417 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:42,560 >> Okay. 418 01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,280 >> If we want to do it. Um 419 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,560 it does contain advertising. That part bothers me. We We agonized with 420 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,640 Sign Adventures over and over and over. And you can call this 421 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,720 nostalgic, yes, but it's advertising. It 422 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:56,480 needs to go. 423 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:57,320 >> I agree. 424 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,560 >> It just It just needs to go. Um 425 01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,720 the backlit um 426 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,800 and I went by a couple times and the 427 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,480 lights weren't on, so I never did see 428 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:08,840 >> Yeah, I didn't see the lights on either. 429 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,040 >> I didn't see the backlit effect, but it 430 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,760 sounds like it is quite apparent. 431 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,359 >> It It has been backlit at at least once 432 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,120 or twice that we've seen. I I don't know 433 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,279 if 434 01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:21,600 >> Yeah, it's in here. 435 01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,000 Not that it 436 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,319 Yeah. 437 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,480 >> So, the initial purpose for putting that 438 01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:28,279 is 439 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:29,920 not only 440 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,600 the picture of Zion, 441 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,799 but it also it covers up 442 01:08:33,799 --> 01:08:35,520 the shape of the 443 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:36,600 where 444 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,319 we really didn't want 445 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:40,799 people 446 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,279 seeing the whole 447 01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,080 back back of the house. 448 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,279 >> Yeah. 449 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:46,680 >> Um 450 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,200 plus it gets really hot 451 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,759 at certain times of the day 452 01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:53,480 off that window as well, too. 453 01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:54,960 >> So, does it provide some type of shade? 454 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,680 >> It It provides a little bit of 455 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,040 I mean, it still gets hot. 456 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:00,960 >> Um 457 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,560 so, I've got a question for you. 458 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,440 Was the investment of that 459 01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:08,680 window covering 460 01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,440 such that it would be financially 461 01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:14,799 very difficult to redo it without 462 01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:16,359 ruining it? 463 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:20,720 >> We probably have our designer 464 01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,160 redo it, which 465 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,160 would be a cost as well as 466 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,240 taking it down 467 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:27,640 and re-employing a new 468 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:29,080 >> Our problem is we just need somebody 469 01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,030 else to remove it. 470 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,279 » What if we could 471 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,839 maybe have our designer just patch over 472 01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:41,520 the the iceberg driving? 473 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:42,200 >> With what? 474 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,880 >> I think that would work. 475 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:44,279 >> redo it. 476 01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:45,839 >> put vinyl on top of vinyl. 477 01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:49,480 >> Yeah. Um, it should So, you know, it's 478 01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:52,359 on page five, it shows it lit. And you 479 01:09:52,359 --> 01:09:55,200 can see that iceberg shines through your 480 01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,120 painter's tape. And so I'm going to 481 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,560 guess I 482 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,200 love the idea. I love saving and being 483 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,600 efficient where possible. 484 01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,280 >> You have to understand it's applied The 485 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,120 sticky part is the vinyl. 486 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,040 So, it's applied from the inside. 487 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,560 >> Right. So, I guess 488 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,240 >> We have to take it We have to take it 489 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:12,360 apart. 490 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:13,480 >> Are we not supposed to apply from the 491 01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:13,560 outside? 492 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,040 >> Right. So, I think the only way it would 493 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,400 work is if you were able to peel out the 494 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,320 part the the the the signage part. And 495 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,720 that And then make a little tiny patch. 496 01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,040 Yeah. 497 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,040 So, as long as you removed that 498 01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:29,960 part, otherwise you couldn't put it on 499 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,360 top cuz it's just shining through. 500 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,440 >> You have to attach from the other side. 501 01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:33,840 >> Yeah. 502 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,280 >> Attach to the front to cover up what's 503 01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:36,920 on the back. 504 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,240 >> wouldn't look good. It wouldn't look 505 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:38,400 good. 506 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,440 >> But that it wouldn't look good. 507 01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:40,080 >> It wouldn't look 508 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,560 >> No, you'd have to because because of the 509 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,600 I mean, 510 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,720 fortunately you have an example of of 511 01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,360 what it looks like shining through. So, 512 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,040 >> With the amount of time that we put in 513 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,880 the money we put in it in it already, 514 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,520 I'd rather just redo it. 515 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:55,920 >> The way I think that it would get 516 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:56,480 approved. 517 01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:57,800 >> Right. 518 01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,560 >> If that's what it takes. 519 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,800 >> But I'm also worried about 520 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,320 once the lights are off, it really 521 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,640 shouldn't be back lit. The only light 522 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,880 that's on at night is over in the dining 523 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:08,560 room. 524 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,800 >> Or the lobby. 525 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,680 >> Like over in the lobby. So, there's not 526 01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,600 really 527 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,280 >> Lighting doesn't concern me. 528 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,640 >> It doesn't me, either. It looks cool. 529 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:18,960 >> out some of the 530 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,040 allows less light to trespass out of 531 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,920 that large window. 532 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:23,920 You know, I haven't seen it with the 533 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:24,480 kitchen lights on. 534 01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:24,960 >> Yeah. 535 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,160 >> But it Especially like wintertime when 536 01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,600 it gets dark at 7:00. 537 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,120 >> I mean, to me that's a win. It just 538 01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,160 cuts back light trespass. Um 539 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200 >> It illuminates the mirror. 540 01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,600 >> I think that's 541 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,760 >> you rather have Would you have rather 542 01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:49,440 have our lights in the in the store 543 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,440 totally totally light up that window 544 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,790 without the mirror? 545 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,640 » We're just trying to fix it. 546 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:57,080 >> I I 547 01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:02,270 >> I think you could you I'm sorry. 548 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,520 I think you could say When I think of a 549 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,880 sign being or 550 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,800 any kind of art being illuminated, it's 551 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,240 with a light specifically 552 01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,280 >> directed at it. I I don't think it's 553 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,920 >> Yeah, not interior illumination. 554 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,400 >> I don't think it's a mirror and I don't 555 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,360 think it's a sign. I think it's a window 556 01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,600 covering. But you've got to be careful 557 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,320 of what you approve here because that 558 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,750 could be a big 559 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:27,800 That's true. 560 01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,600 >> Could you just take a rattle can of flat 561 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,280 back black paint on the back of it to 562 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:33,920 cut the transmission of light through 563 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,670 it? Would that fix it? 564 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,480 » Because then it wouldn't be illuminated. 565 01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:42,680 >> You know, I hear what Barbara is saying 566 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,240 because we need to be consistent and 567 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,560 we're trying to treat everybody 568 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:48,600 equally. 569 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,000 >> Which is why I agree with what Mike is 570 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,640 saying that the words have to come off. 571 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,400 Yeah. Unfortunately. 572 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,040 >> Yeah. 573 01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:54,560 >> That's 574 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,040 >> or we don't call it a mural. 575 01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:04,790 >> We can call it Can you make exception to signs? 576 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,240 Well, what that's not that 577 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,000 >> Well, or are we avoiding six other 578 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,120 loopholes? 579 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:17,470 That's that feels like we're trying to 580 01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:19,880 » We understand. I think it's great, but 581 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:20,720 um 582 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,200 doesn't comply. 583 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,280 Um so, let's So, 584 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:27,800 I'm the one who opened it like, "I think 585 01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,400 this is fantastic. I think it's great." 586 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,560 And now I'm like, "We better be careful 587 01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,600 what we set up." 588 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,840 >> Cuz you might have 15 other 589 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:35,720 >> Mhm. 590 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,240 >> window things go up in the next 2 months 591 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,920 and they're you know, "Hey." 592 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,400 So, here's a question for this panel 593 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,000 because we don't control 594 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,720 window signs. 595 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,560 Um and it started kind of with the 596 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,440 switchback. Trying to get away from it 597 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,040 really was a way to get away from 598 01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,360 requirements of signs and limitations of 599 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,080 sign to advertise for your business. So, 600 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,560 all of a sudden steaks and why I don't 601 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,760 know what's on the switchback, but it 602 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,080 was a creative way to get around our 603 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,040 sign ordinance. Really was. 604 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,000 So, 605 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,000 as much as I'm like, "This is really 606 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,200 cool and I'd like it to stay." 607 01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,240 I I agree with Barb and I agree with 608 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,920 Mike. If we open up a can of worms, 609 01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,800 where do we go from here? 610 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,080 So, I personally think 611 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,760 it's a great window covering. 612 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,160 Wish the words weren't on it. 613 01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,960 But, if our town only allows a certain 614 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,000 percent for window covering, 615 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,200 then it's a sign. Is it a sign? Do we 616 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:44,400 throw it to the town council you know, 617 01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,440 somebody else because it's a sign not a 618 01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:47,960 mural, or 619 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,470 >> Do we 620 01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:54,110 » Um 621 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,680 Do we add more stipulation to 622 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,040 Instead of making ugly window covers 623 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,360 only 25% do we do we impose more taste 624 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,760 control on window coverings? Is that the 625 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,280 better way to approach it? 626 01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,880 >> Well, window signs are not 627 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,320 don't require a permit, so they just 628 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,040 need to be there's that size 629 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,680 restriction, but if you're within that 630 01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,440 size restriction, there's no permit 631 01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:20,280 requirement. 632 01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,000 It's 25% 633 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,200 Yeah. So, 634 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,350 um 635 01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,600 Yeah, and I suppose the 636 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,560 if you get into regulating window signs 637 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,480 at that level 638 01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:35,480 um 639 01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:37,280 It's it's quite a lot, I suppose. I'm 640 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,920 just saying kind of it's it's quite a 641 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,160 lot of minutiae, and obviously that's a 642 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,760 policy decision that would be for the 643 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,640 town council, probably. 644 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,000 Um 645 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,600 But, um 646 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,760 we have a fairly 647 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:55,160 um fairly strict um signage ordinance at 648 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,640 the moment, um and there and yeah, 649 01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,760 window signs are exempt from that so 650 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,040 long as they comply with that. 651 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:02,480 percentage 652 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,440 >> make some suggestions to be efficient 653 01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:06,080 here, cuz it feels like we're going in 654 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,880 several directions, but which is 655 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,840 exactly. So, let's see if this makes 656 01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,400 everybody happy. If they were to, and 657 01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,400 I'm sorry about the extra cost, if they 658 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,760 were to redesign it exactly as it 659 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,080 exists, remove the the 660 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,560 words 661 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,080 um stick with the color palette because 662 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,960 it looks exactly like the surrounding 663 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,080 area, and call it highlighting. 664 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,480 Um 665 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:34,800 and the illumination of the mural hap is 666 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,920 a little bit happenstance. It's not that 667 01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,040 they've hung a bunch of lights shining 668 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,320 on a wall. 669 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:41,920 I'd just call that 670 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,600 you know, that's that's what it is. I 671 01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,560 love that their rationale came in going, 672 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,440 "Well, would you rather have a big 673 01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:50,800 bright kitchen window, you know, 674 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,080 uh shining out onto the canyon?" Plus, 675 01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,680 it's just it's it's more comfortable for 676 01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,240 them. It's more attractive for us to 677 01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,240 walk by a beautiful, you know, like 678 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,400 that. It's only lit during business 679 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:02,960 hours. Anyway, it feels like we could 680 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,280 sort of if we could loosen up a little 681 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,320 bit of 682 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,280 like coming up with little worries 683 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,040 everywhere and just go, "Does this make 684 01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,960 everybody happy and meet the letter or 685 01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,000 the spirit?" 686 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,560 >> mural and we take off the lettering. 687 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,400 >> Yes. And and and and redefine what we're 688 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,640 saying is illuminated because it isn't 689 01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,520 that they hung a bunch of lights, which 690 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,360 is how I understood the 691 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:25,600 I mean, does that get us where we need 692 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,160 to be? 693 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,720 >> The only problem I see is 694 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,960 if you don't communicate to the 695 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,640 businesses and the community that there 696 01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,320 is a mural policy. 697 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,640 >> That's We all agree, but maybe that 698 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,880 today isn't the day to solve that. 699 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,920 >> time for that today. So, 700 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,200 um Mike 701 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,840 >> agree, too. 702 01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,720 >> I keep falling back on our policy that 703 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,560 we spent so much time to creating and I 704 01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,760 hate to see us bastardize it. Um 705 01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,240 it sounds like we all want this to 706 01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,560 happen. So, why don't we use and and as 707 01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:00,920 I was reading through this, I was I was 708 01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,080 trying to tell myself, "How can we 709 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,480 approve this given given our 710 01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:07,760 Well, here's some I can't but I'll go 711 01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,200 through before I do that. Um 712 01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:11,840 First of all, I think the mural does 713 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,480 promote and enhance the town's village 714 01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:15,280 character. Okay, we agree to that and 715 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,600 that's part of our policy. 716 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:18,960 Um 717 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,720 The majority of the colors shown on the 718 01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,640 do not are not contained on the town's 719 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,840 palette. These are findings. That's what 720 01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,320 Niles has told us. 721 01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,120 Um 722 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:32,880 It contains advertising, which is not 723 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,280 compliant with our policy. And the mural 724 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:36,880 is illuminated backlit, which is 725 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,560 non-compliant um 726 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,600 with our policy. Um I don't know how to 727 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,400 handle that one. But conditions that we 728 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,880 could talk about to approve it is 729 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,720 because the colors are not 730 01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:47,760 the majority of colors are not 731 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:49,160 compliant, the applicant must 732 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,800 demonstrate why the colors are necessary 733 01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,480 and why no color on the approved 734 01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:55,480 palettes could be used. And that's as 735 01:18:55,480 --> 01:18:58,440 simple as we copied the surroundings. 736 01:18:58,440 --> 01:18:59,000 >> Perfect. 737 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,760 >> Um the applicant must present or prevent 738 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,840 backlit transmission from inside the 739 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,000 building. Could be by 740 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:08,320 turning the lights off, could be by 741 01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:09,600 hanging a shade. I don't care how they 742 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:10,640 do it, but 743 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:11,840 >> I 744 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,520 >> because the backlit thing to me is the 745 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,040 same as a computer screen. You look at 746 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,840 an image on a computer screen, it's just 747 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,240 you look at it in a print, it's not. And 748 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,400 that's the difference in my mind. 749 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,480 >> I think I um it's unfortunate that none 750 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,240 of us have seen it at night because it 751 01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:27,920 may or may not be be that bright. I 752 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,280 don't know. We're making an assumption 753 01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:30,160 there. So. 754 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,960 >> Um and and I I'm going to argue with you 755 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,440 on 756 01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:38,280 the fact that just merely by having 757 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,720 interior lights on 758 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,760 that the sign is illuminated because I 759 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:43,280 >> Yeah. 760 01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,800 >> mural is illuminated because I look at 761 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,720 like business signs. They have down 762 01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,520 direct lights on them. I look at 763 01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,960 if you take 764 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,800 a piece of artwork and you can take a 765 01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:57,880 piece of artwork, you can take a 766 01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,320 photograph and you can put it in a 767 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,200 shadow box and you can literally put 768 01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,360 interior lights that illuminate. 769 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,960 To me this is not illumination 770 01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,560 by intention. 771 01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,040 So I don't think it's illumination. I 772 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:15,200 think it just simply has that light is 773 01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:16,720 What is the word? 774 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:17,120 Maybe the 775 01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:17,600 >> backlit 776 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,200 >> ambient almost backlit. It's 777 01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,960 trespassing. The light is trespassing in 778 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,960 that there's far less light trespassing 779 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,720 through it than would be if if you 780 01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,080 removed the mural entirely. I don't I 781 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,640 it's backlit. I think that technically I 782 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,520 I'm going to say it's not unless they 783 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,680 have installed lights 784 01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:37,920 directly 785 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,640 pointed at it. 786 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,600 I don't think it's illuminated. I think 787 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,320 that's a stretch. 788 01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:47,400 >> Let me ask you. It seems like 789 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:48,920 we going to 790 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,840 we're favor of this mural even though I 791 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,760 can I still see it more as a sign. 792 01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,080 Uh they've said that they'd be willing 793 01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,440 to take it down and redo it and work 794 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:00,640 with their 795 01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,720 designer on putting it out up without 796 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,480 the sign each on it. When you work with 797 01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:07,960 the designer 798 01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,640 and I know it's pasted on, can your 799 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,880 designer put a it to to to to 800 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,240 address the light issue? 801 01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,800 Which I probably more agreement with 802 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,160 Kathy and Lisa on that. To me it's front 803 01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,560 lighting not backlighting, but can they 804 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,160 do something 805 01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:26,960 on the back 806 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,160 that would stop 807 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:30,720 the light from coming through? 808 01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,840 >> You guys don't even know how much You 809 01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,640 haven't seen it at night. 810 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,870 So 811 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,000 Yeah, but I mean we're talking about an 812 01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,430 hour, maybe 2 hours at night. 813 01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:50,790 I mean I close at 9:00 at night. 814 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:51,200 Yeah. 815 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,080 >> Illumination is an intentional 816 01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,720 creation of lighting to illuminate 817 01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,720 something and this is just interior 818 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,040 ambient light 819 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,160 and it's 820 01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,600 coming out. I I think that we can get by 821 01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,880 with this 822 01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:11,720 with just stating we've came to the 823 01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:13,480 conclusion we don't think it's 824 01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:15,480 >> Yeah, I I don't think we're bastardizing 825 01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,120 the thing that we worked so hard on. I 826 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:22,240 sympathize with that concern and we're we're jumping to conclusions where 827 01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,000 there's tons of room for interpretation, 828 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,360 not not just be handy, but to be what is 829 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,120 the spirit? 830 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:30,080 >> Next meeting. 831 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,760 >> Right, and then we're going to go look 832 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,720 how bright. Well, it might be a matter 833 01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,120 of how you know, how is it more bright 834 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,440 than 835 01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:40,080 would it be without the thing there? 836 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,600 >> Okay, can I ask a question? 837 01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:44,920 Because none of us have seen it at 838 01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,200 night. 839 01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,880 Can we allow them to keep the sign as is 840 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,640 till next month when we've had a chance 841 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,520 to all go um view it at night? 842 01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:55,360 >> Table 843 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,040 >> You could Yeah, you could table this and 844 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,080 allow it to continue, you know, without 845 01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:02,280 um 846 01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,560 any enforcement or anything until you've 847 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,000 had the chance to review it and then 848 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,040 convene again at some future date if you 849 01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,750 like. 850 01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,480 » Well, we close at 9:00. They clean up no 851 01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:19,200 more no longer than an hour after, so 852 01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,320 I It would help me to see 853 01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,680 >> I I I just think that it's not fair to 854 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,440 them for us to not have seen it at night 855 01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:26,200 and be discussing discussing whether the 856 01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:27,280 illumination 857 01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,040 >> Cathy, I would so move then that we 858 01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:34,550 table it until the next meeting. 859 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:35,440 » All in favor? 860 01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:36,480 >> I. 861 01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:39,520 >> In the meantime, it stays the way it is. 862 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,400 >> I. 863 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,200 >> Yeah, sorry. 864 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,880 >> If if it's going to be redone anyway, is 865 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,240 there any way to make it a little more 866 01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,080 >> I haven't I haven't 100% 867 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,440 approved the the redoing of it. 868 01:23:52,440 --> 01:23:54,480 >> Oh, okay. So, let's just let's do it 869 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:56,960 right. Okay. I apologize that we didn't 870 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,520 get a chance to see it at night. Um but 871 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,320 I think it 872 01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,080 Well, and I I 873 01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:04,880 >> There is one here, but it's 874 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,440 >> It's too hard to tell in the in the 875 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:09,360 Instead of having you remove it till we 876 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,200 have all the information. 877 01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:12,800 Okay, thank you. 878 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,480 >> I I don't think everybody voted on that 879 01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:17,000 motion, did they? I think we kind of got 880 01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,480 halfway. Oh, you did. Yeah. 881 01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:21,240 >> So, we tabled it. 882 01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,440 >> stable 883 01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:24,800 >> Okay, so you guys we have 19 minutes. 884 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,720 Let's go to the consent 885 01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:27,440 >> We got to go. 886 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:28,920 in 12 minutes on October 887 01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:29,840 25th. 888 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:30,520 >> Thank you, guys. 889 01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,160 >> Thank you. 890 01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,600 >> I so move we approve the minutes as 891 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:35,280 read. 892 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,600 >> have any discussion concerning this? 893 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:38,400 All in favor? 894 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,040 >> Aye. 895 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,040 >> Okay. 896 01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,800 19 minutes isn't a lot of time to get 897 01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,080 into the 898 01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,240 um 899 01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:48,800 document. Mike, you've made some 900 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,360 changes. Jack's made some changes. 901 01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:53,240 Um 902 01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,080 I didn't know how to run my computer. 903 01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,150 >> I didn't either. 904 01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,910 » Um 905 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,680 I like the direction that it's going. Um 906 01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,560 and it you know, we talked about 907 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:08,880 incorporating the language that's in the 908 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,280 general plan, which I was just going to 909 01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,000 cut and paste if I knew how to do that, 910 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,000 but I don't. I I'm just thinking 911 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,480 18 minutes isn't enough to get into 912 01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:19,040 this with Lisa having to leave. We don't 913 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,280 have Jack here. 914 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,040 >> I'll suggest and I referred back to the 915 01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:25,680 Ivan's plan that 916 01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,920 >> I have that printed as well. 917 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,400 >> Let's plagiarize. It is really good and 918 01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,680 it's simple. We can We can make things 919 01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,680 fit or not fit. Uh we don't have to 920 01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:35,400 recreate. 921 01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,000 >> Does everybody still have that Ivan's 922 01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:37,720 plan? 923 01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:38,800 >> Yes. 924 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,040 >> Lisa, do you have it? 925 01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,360 >> Um probably somewhere. I don't have it 926 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:41,920 up right now. 927 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,200 >> I have it printed. 928 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,040 And I agree. 929 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,680 >> And 930 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,440 maybe we can figure out how to have one 931 01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:51,200 document that shows our edits. 932 01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,000 Because I'm not sure how to do that. 933 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,440 >> I may be need a little tutorial. 934 01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:58,920 Maybe that's something we can each come 935 01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,560 in individual on our own time to have 936 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:01,320 somebody 937 01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,120 >> what um if I'm understanding what's 938 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,000 being asked for, what Jack did was 939 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,360 basically take the the Word doc and 940 01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,200 upload it into Google 941 01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,640 and it's still a Word doc, basically, 942 01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,000 but we We all just go in and make edits. 943 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:17,400 >> just 944 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:18,120 >> worked with something like that. 945 01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,920 >> Do you have a Google login? 946 01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:21,640 Of any sort? 947 01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:22,640 >> a Gmail account. 948 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:23,880 >> Okay, then you do. 949 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,200 >> Okay. 950 01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:26,160 >> I can help you if you want. 951 01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:26,640 >> Okay. 952 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,760 >> Cuz that's exactly that. It'll go in and 953 01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,000 it'll track every single change and 954 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,280 we're all looking at the same 955 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:34,440 >> Can we just put the Ivan's document on 956 01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:36,240 and start editing that? 957 01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:37,400 >> That's the one Jack already 958 01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,440 >> That is the one. That is the Ivan's one. 959 01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:40,200 >> The link that he 960 01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:41,080 >> No, it's not. 961 01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,000 >> The link that he sent is in Google. 962 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,600 >> But it's not the Ivan's document. 963 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:45,760 >> No. 964 01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,600 >> Oh, oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood what 965 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:48,040 you said. 966 01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,480 >> It's the 967 01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:52,280 discussions we had previously that were 968 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:53,480 kind of summarized and then 969 01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:55,800 >> If we uploaded Ivan's and then just kind 970 01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:57,360 of change it based on our discussion, I 971 01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,680 think we'd be further ahead. 972 01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:01,200 Can we do that? 973 01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,320 >> We have I think we all have a copy of 974 01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:03,400 it. 975 01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:04,640 >> Yeah. 976 01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,000 >> So, I think the 977 01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,000 I have a a few thoughts. Um 978 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,000 I think it could be helpful to work on 979 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,240 this Google document where you can kind 980 01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:16,600 of add things. 981 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,920 Um we need to be cognizant of um the 982 01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,800 open and public meetings act so that no 983 01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,880 decisions are being made out outside of 984 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,520 a public meeting. 985 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,880 But I think um editing and making 986 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,120 suggestions to a document that then you 987 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:43,320 would discuss in a public meeting is probably fine or if if two board members wanted to work 988 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,880 independently on this, you you can meet 989 01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,640 in groups of two, but if you have three, 990 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,160 then it's it's more 991 01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:51,600 >> No, no, no, I'm talking about meeting to 992 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,640 discuss it. I'm talking about actually 993 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,760 taking Ivan's plans because 994 01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,600 as much as I've looked at that, too, 995 01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,720 it's a pretty substantial plan. 996 01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,200 >> And it doesn't apply. 997 01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:03,960 >> Yeah, and then just starting to strike 998 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:05,680 what doesn't apply, but we do it all 999 01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,800 independently, but we start with Ivan's 1000 01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,920 document because it's just so much more 1001 01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,160 complete than what we have now. 1002 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,120 So, we start with that 1003 01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,920 and we leave 1004 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,200 what Jack started editing and then we 1005 01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,920 both could we could all kind of look at 1006 01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,600 Ivan's and just go through kind of 1007 01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,240 like literally 1008 01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:27,200 like 1009 01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:28,880 I've got it printed. I'll do it with a 1010 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,840 red line and just going to edit it from 1011 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,720 paper and then kind of come back with a 1012 01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,480 2-hour work meeting next. 1013 01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,000 >> So, we remove what doesn't apply rather 1014 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,480 than building from scratch. 1015 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,040 >> And start removing and just take a 1016 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,560 first three pages, second three pages. 1017 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,040 >> Now, Ivan's plan is a PDF. I don't know, 1018 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,880 can you can you edit a PDF in Google 1019 01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:53,440 >> Once it goes to PDF, it's difficult to 1020 01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:54,640 go backwards 1021 01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,920 >> Yeah. 1022 01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,840 So, we we don't have a word 1023 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,680 >> We'd have to print it. 1024 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:03,920 Um 1025 01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,480 I I could see. I mean 1026 01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:10,360 if you have Adobe Acrobat, you can edit. 1027 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:11,400 Um 1028 01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:12,560 it's a bit messy. 1029 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,680 >> Because they to make it small, they peel 1030 01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,560 a bunch of the nice things that make it 1031 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,360 work nicely as word processing out. 1032 01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,000 Typically. 1033 01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:22,840 >> Yeah, I I could certainly reach out to 1034 01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,440 Ivan City and see if they would be 1035 01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:27,160 willing to share a word document 1036 01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:28,520 um of that. 1037 01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:29,720 I don't know if they would, but it 1038 01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,520 >> would go straight up to Google and be 1039 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,240 the nice place where we can all 1040 01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,520 >> have a training session. 1041 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:35,480 >> Exactly. 1042 01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:35,680 >> Okay. 1043 01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:37,960 >> And and and each edit is 1044 01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,240 um marked who did it, so yeah. 1045 01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,910 >> Um 1046 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,040 hope Jack's okay and that it was just 1047 01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,720 that I thought it was today was 1048 01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,800 Sunday instead of 1049 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:51,840 um 1050 01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,040 so, please check in and let us know he's 1051 01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,360 all right. 1052 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,440 Um I I don't you know, other than 1053 01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,960 discussing that maybe like I I agree 1054 01:29:59,960 --> 01:30:02,960 with Mike plagiarizing Ivan's is 1055 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,920 probably a good way to start. Well, 1056 01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:05,560 okay, you didn't say 1057 01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:06,800 >> word, not ours. 1058 01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:07,600 >> Yeah, 1059 01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,800 >> I don't think we're plagiarizing. We're 1060 01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:11,320 using it as a guide. 1061 01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:12,200 >> Yeah, okay. 1062 01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:12,680 >> There you go. 1063 01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:13,480 >> That's what I meant to say. 1064 01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:14,520 >> Boilerplate. 1065 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:15,800 >> But I 1066 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,040 He said it first. 1067 01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:19,680 >> Okay, so 1068 01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,240 >> You know, this is going to end up being 1069 01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:22,960 a short meeting, but you know 1070 01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,680 >> I got a couple questions for 1071 01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,680 They can be answered. Um 1072 01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,040 What's the status of Sign Adventures? Is 1073 01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,600 that mural all redone now? 1074 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:37,040 >> It is, yes. It's redone and compliant. 1075 01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,920 >> Um we talked about in our last meeting 1076 01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,160 the and I think it's Jim had the same 1077 01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,200 question. Um 1078 01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:49,320 interjecting a a line budget item um 1079 01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,280 for I for art, public art. 1080 01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:53,600 Do you know if 1081 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:54,120 >> Yeah. 1082 01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,520 >> the budget process included that or not? 1083 01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,680 >> Yes, so in the tentative budget, 1084 01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,760 there're $8,000 has been 1085 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,400 um 1086 01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:07,800 assigned for a wrap tax um for public 1087 01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,720 art. So, that's in the tentative budget. 1088 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,720 >> So, public art competes with 1089 01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,040 wrap applications 1090 01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:17,880 or 1091 01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:18,680 >> I 1092 01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,000 >> It's in addition to that. 1093 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,680 >> It's been specifically earmarked 1094 01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:24,720 um 1095 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:25,520 Do you know, Mary? 1096 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,600 >> So, we should have the wrap money and 1097 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,640 then not $8,000. 1098 01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:30,120 Is that what 1099 01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:31,720 >> No, I I I don't I don't know. 1100 01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,240 >> I think it's just $8,000 1101 01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,000 um 1102 01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,680 was specifically put against it. 1103 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,960 >> I I think my question on that is that 1104 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,480 it's now been set. We do at least have 1105 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:44,040 $8,000 1106 01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,960 and that money carries over because one 1107 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,560 of the projects we discussed was the 1108 01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,200 sculpture, which is going to be after 1109 01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,760 installation and mine and all that 1110 01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,520 at or whatever, but the board will look 1111 01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,680 at could look at that budget and I was 1112 01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:02,400 thinking, you know, if they wanted to 1113 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,000 buy a 1114 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,280 I had a lot on donations. If they wanted 1115 01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,520 to buy a painting, the painting could 1116 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,920 come out of that. But, I think the focus 1117 01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,880 of the board will be sort of prioritize 1118 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,720 what they're what what they're looking 1119 01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,520 at. And I understood that we were 1120 01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,480 Maybe it was just me that was 1121 01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:23,520 it seemed to be a sculpture of some si- 1122 01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:32,990 sorts was a high priority. 1123 01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:34,840 » My question was, did it make it as a 1124 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:36,480 line item? It sounds like it did. 1125 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:38,120 >> It's a line item on the tentative 1126 01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,440 agenda, and then our June Council 1127 01:32:40,440 --> 01:32:42,040 meeting will have a public hearing to 1128 01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,870 finalize that. 1129 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,520 » So, let's go back. 1130 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,080 >> Yes, Mike, it is a line item. 1131 01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:48,760 >> Okay. 1132 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,800 But, that's an addition. We still have 1133 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,950 Washington County's RAP tax. 1134 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,960 » We did submit an application for RAP 1135 01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,190 tax. 1136 01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,120 » We have to as a board? 1137 01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:02,840 >> I don't know. 1138 01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:04,280 >> It's a good question, because we got two 1139 01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,760 RAP tax applications. 1140 01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,200 Um 1141 01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,000 one was tabled, and one was approved. 1142 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,560 But, we still have RAP tax money. 1143 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:16,320 So 1144 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,680 >> But, the town has a process for RAP um 1145 01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,360 applications only once a year or 1146 01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,680 something. 1147 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:24,880 Right? 1148 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,560 >> Yeah, but um we have a process for RAP 1149 01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:28,240 tax 1150 01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,320 applications, but 1151 01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,560 >> Yeah, so 1152 01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,120 >> one of them, and I said I said when we 1153 01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,000 tabled it is that 1154 01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,320 does it have to be approved now? And Tom 1155 01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:40,320 said no, 1156 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:41,440 it can be approved later. 1157 01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:44,400 >> How much is the RAP tax? 1158 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:45,320 What's left? 1159 01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,120 >> But, but every year, how much is it? 1160 01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:50,600 >> It varies depending on This year it's 1161 01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,760 $60,000. 1162 01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,160 >> Yeah, I I don't know. I I don't have 1163 01:33:55,160 --> 01:34:00,520 much close workings with kind of the mechanisms of this, so 1164 01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:09,310 I 1165 01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,120 » If that's the case, we could send out to 1166 01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,920 bid like for 1167 01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:17,120 that roundabout area that we talked 1168 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,360 about. And 1169 01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:19,640 how do we do that? We should be 1170 01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,400 educating ourselves on that. 1171 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:23,600 Let's use Washington County's 1172 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,280 >> Anyone entity can only 1173 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,200 It's It's a little more There's a policy 1174 01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:30,440 that you should look at. 1175 01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:32,160 >> Yeah, we need to We need to be brought 1176 01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:32,720 up to 1177 01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,840 >> that because we're inside the walls a 1178 01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:35,960 little bit? We're It's 1179 01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:36,960 >> Z-Arts 1180 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:38,600 >> Yeah, Z-Arts. 1181 01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:41,120 >> The max any one group can get is 15,000, 1182 01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:46,280 but then it's 50% for roundabouts, 50% 1183 01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,960 supplies. Yeah, there's there's a 1184 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:50,640 policy. 1185 01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,720 >> Well, let's look at 1186 01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:56,640 bronze sculptures in in St. George. 1187 01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:58,200 If you go out toward Entrada Country 1188 01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,240 Club, they've got some horses. 1189 01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:03,880 You know, we talked about 1190 01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:05,680 couple areas that sculpture or sculpture 1191 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,080 garden might be appropriate. You know, a 1192 01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,440 large bronze sculpture 1193 01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:13,040 you know, could be 50, 60,000 dollars. 1194 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:14,800 You know, we talked a little bit about 1195 01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,280 or maybe this was just me, you know, at 1196 01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:18,360 that 1197 01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,360 at the beginning of the town, if you did 1198 01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,480 something in bronze, having it be, you 1199 01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:24,520 know, like 1200 01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,760 native, like bighorn or, you know, 1201 01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:28,360 something like that that was bronze 1202 01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,920 that, you know, would be tasteful and, 1203 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,360 you know, not a two-story, you know, 1204 01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:37,350 Marilyn 1205 01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,360 So, I think that 1206 01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,680 >> We need some real heavy education on 1207 01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,400 what that road tax is, how to apply for 1208 01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,120 it, how the town of Springdale's art 1209 01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:49,160 board 1210 01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:50,160 could 1211 01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,440 >> Cuz we said, let's do a call to artists. 1212 01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:53,960 But before we do a call to artists, we 1213 01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,440 need to understand what we know and what 1214 01:35:56,440 --> 01:35:58,480 we don't know. Like, hey, you know, 1215 01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:00,680 Megan, you work on metal sculpture and 1216 01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,160 we would love to see something in the 1217 01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:03,760 town of Springdale, you know, 1218 01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,200 potentially if you bring us 1219 01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,760 forward with a project, max would be 1220 01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:10,320 15,000. 1221 01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:11,760 But we could also pull the eight from 1222 01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,440 the town. You know, I I just think 1223 01:36:14,440 --> 01:36:16,600 we're kind of flying dark here. We don't 1224 01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:19,480 really understand what's available as 1225 01:36:19,480 --> 01:36:20,480 the art 1226 01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:21,320 board 1227 01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,360 >> We need to know what money is going to 1228 01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:24,040 be available. 1229 01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:25,640 >> And how to how to access it. 1230 01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:26,240 >> How to get it. 1231 01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:27,720 >> Well, there's quite a continuum in terms 1232 01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:29,360 of cost. Like, I I love the idea of a 1233 01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,880 big um, you know, tasteful bronze, but 1234 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,560 that's going to cost a lot more than 1235 01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:35,600 another thing we were talking about, 1236 01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,000 which is like the the rust the like the 1237 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,920 well the well-done um, botanicals, 1238 01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:41,280 right? 1239 01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:42,880 >> Well, like you look at Las Vegas. I 1240 01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,600 mean, they did a fantastic job. 1241 01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:45,640 >> Exactly. Exactly. 1242 01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:46,720 >> with her. 1243 01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:47,840 >> And then we could maybe 1244 01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,680 >> mean, those parts of the 1245 01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,600 like don't you You know, the metal 1246 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,520 pieces that they've done. 1247 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,400 You don't like those? You You know what 1248 01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:56,440 I'm talking about. 1249 01:36:56,440 --> 01:36:56,880 >> art? 1250 01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,000 >> Yeah. It's spectacular. 1251 01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,600 >> Yeah. 1252 01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,240 >> So, you know, yeah. Um, and we do 1253 01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,560 >> And that that that gives us a lot of 1254 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:09,070 ways to go depending on the budget. 1255 01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:09,800 » Mhm. 1256 01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,840 >> But we need to create some type of call 1257 01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:13,760 to artists, but before we can start 1258 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:14,720 sending that out 1259 01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:15,760 >> to know where the money is. 1260 01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,320 >> Yeah, and how to access it. I think 1261 01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:18,600 we're just a little bit 1262 01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,400 >> The good news is is now there's a line 1263 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,680 item now in the budget, so that's 1264 01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,480 more than there was six months ago. 1265 01:37:25,480 --> 01:37:27,640 >> Absolutely. Thank you. 1266 01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,280 >> I know we're limited in time. One of the 1267 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:33,120 things I looked at a lot was donations. 1268 01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,000 And then, I guess the question, and I 1269 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,040 know 1270 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:41,000 if uh a cuz you could look at monetary 1271 01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,320 donations and actually 1272 01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,360 art pieces donations. And then, if it's 1273 01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,120 a monetary donation, I remember what it 1274 01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,440 would go into a fund 1275 01:37:52,440 --> 01:37:56,000 and then that fund would carry on. And 1276 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,560 if it's an art piece, then there would 1277 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,720 be some kind of way that the art piece 1278 01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:05,160 would come before the art review board 1279 01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:08,160 and they would do an art inspection. 1280 01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:10,160 Sometimes it's called an 1281 01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,800 a session inspection. 1282 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:19,640 And the only question I then had if it is money from the budget then 1283 01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,680 obviously it becomes it would be public 1284 01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,760 art and the public art specifically 1285 01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,680 states that it has to be someplace where 1286 01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:31,320 the public sees it. If it is a private 1287 01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,880 donation and say that I gave a painting 1288 01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,080 and the art board okayed it 1289 01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:39,280 then 1290 01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,240 the it would then become the property of 1291 01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:42,520 the city 1292 01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,040 and it would have 1293 01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:46,520 since it's a property of the city, the 1294 01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:48,360 city could put it anywhere they want to 1295 01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,360 in an office or anything else. They 1296 01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,720 wouldn't have to put it in a public area 1297 01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,920 because it didn't come from public 1298 01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:58,880 funds. And the only reason I'm looking 1299 01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,600 at that is somewhere down the line when 1300 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,600 you have long range goals and short 1301 01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,320 range goals, hopefully 1302 01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,520 Springdale will come up with an idea of 1303 01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:12,960 having a museum that would feature the 1304 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,640 history of Springdale. I was up in 1305 01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:19,520 Calistoga. They have a it's a small town 1306 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:20,680 in Northern California. They have a 1307 01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,160 wonderful museum there that really 1308 01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:27,160 features the history um but it also has 1309 01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:29,640 the the art of the area. 1310 01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:33,280 And then whatever art was donated if it 1311 01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:34,400 was 1312 01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:35,800 uh from a 1313 01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:37,440 well, whatever city would 1314 01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:39,120 >> I'm going to for the sake of we are 1315 01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:39,920 going to have to 1316 01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:41,200 >> That's a good four minutes. I think 1317 01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:42,440 that's something to talk about at the 1318 01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:44,200 next meeting. I think that's great idea 1319 01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,240 and thanks for mentioning and bringing 1320 01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:49,080 it up. I'm going to myself take about 60 1321 01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:50,160 seconds. 1322 01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,040 I don't know if there's any possible way 1323 01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,840 that the Art Review Board can have any 1324 01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:57,960 kind of like send a message to 1325 01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:02,640 town of Springdale Planning Commission 1326 01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,360 and Town Council to do something about 1327 01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:06,040 the Michael Fatali 1328 01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:08,880 abandoned Casa de Amigo. That is really 1329 01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,640 talk about something that's causing an 1330 01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,040 eyesore for this community. It's 1331 01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,160 embarrassing. The paper that's falling 1332 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,160 down and the I'm far more concerned 1333 01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,360 about that than the new sign that went 1334 01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:20,240 up in the iceberg. Not saying that in 1335 01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,800 front of them, but it is I mean we're 1336 01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,120 the Art Review Board and that has 1337 01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:25,760 nothing to do with art other than the 1338 01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:31,920 fact that it is a huge 1339 01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:33,880 message. 1340 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:35,560 >> Yeah. I don't know what what why are we 1341 01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,480 bothering with the nitpicking around 1342 01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:39,440 tiny 1343 01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:41,040 >> It's 1344 01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,040 There's nothing we can do. It's falling 1345 01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,950 apart. 1346 01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:48,720 » Doesn't it fall into the category of 1347 01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,840 like peeling paint and things like that? 1348 01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:51,680 >> Our abandoned building 1349 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:53,640 >> Whether it's inside the windows or out? 1350 01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,760 >> If we could find them or 1351 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,720 >> Yes, so there are some some avenues if 1352 01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,920 they're obviously if something is um 1353 01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,840 unsafe, it can be condemned, but that's really what we're talking 1354 01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,760 about. Um 1355 01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,520 As far as building maintenance, yeah, 1356 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,680 there are um 1357 01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,480 there are some code enforcement avenues 1358 01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:17,400 that we can take if it kind of gets 1359 01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,000 to a certain threshold, but it is 1360 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,000 um 1361 01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:22,080 >> Did they come through the Planning 1362 01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:22,880 Commission? 1363 01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,400 >> Yeah, they they have a permit as 1364 01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:26,240 to redevelop. 1365 01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,520 >> Do they have a time clause 1366 01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,000 when they must 1367 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:30,760 start? 1368 01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:31,240 >> Okay. 1369 01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,360 >> That's coming up. 1370 01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,240 >> Okay. Or they'd have to bring it back. 1371 01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:35,760 >> Yeah. 1372 01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:36,760 >> If it's not 1373 01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:38,160 it would expire. Okay. 1374 01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:39,800 >> Even just a friendly request, can you 1375 01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:41,120 please 1376 01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:43,040 tape your paper up? 1377 01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:44,000 It does 1378 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,320 Yeah. 1379 01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:47,960 >> I would take a motion to adjourn if 1380 01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:49,200 nobody has any other comments in the 1381 01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,000 last 2 minutes. 1382 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,520 >> I so move. 1383 01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:53,440 >> Second. 1384 01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:54,360 >> All in favor? 1385 01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:57,470 >> Aye. 1386 01:41:57,480 --> 01:41:59,360 » Next meeting, are you going to circulate 1387 01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:05,470 a wish list again? 1388 01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:08,400 Can we get a copy of the agenda? 1389 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,720 Like if I want to put something on the 1390 01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:12,280 agenda 1391 01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:14,280 would I just contact you and then you 1392 01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:15,400 could put it on? 1393 01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:16,400 >> Yeah, if there's anything you 1394 01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,080 specifically want on the agenda, um, let 1395 01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,520 me know and and I can add that. 1396 01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:26,030 >> Good. 1397 01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:54,670 » Thank you. 1398 01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:56,240 » Sure would be nice to see some 1399 01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:58,520 action here.