[1:59] Mhm.
[7:44] » Mhm.
[47:49] » What are you?
[47:50] Is that all? I just I told Jack that he
[47:52] can next.
[47:53] >> Uh
[47:54] let's give him a couple more minutes.
[47:56] And then
[47:58] I can have the doctor call you back.
[51:49] » Mhm.
[52:15] » here today
[52:16] on May 18th, Monday, May 18th at 12:00.
[52:19] It's currently 12:09.
[52:22] The Art Working Group
[52:25] meeting
[52:27] holding a special meeting
[52:29] at the King Community Center, 126 Main
[52:31] Boulevard, Springfield, Utah.
[52:33] Um
[52:36] Do I have a motion to approve the
[52:38] agenda?
[52:40] » I'll make a motion to approve it, but I
[52:42] would like to add under new business, whether or not we got to
[52:47] it today.
[52:49] Uh
[52:50] budget.
[52:53] » I We can talk about the budget and we
[52:55] can I don't know if
[52:57] I think that the budget would have to be
[52:58] talked about
[53:00] first with the Town Council, wouldn't
[53:02] it? They'd have to open their budget and
[53:04] >> So, is this referring to the
[53:09] budget that's been allocated to public
[53:11] art in the town?
[53:14] So, we could potentially just go start
[53:15] under the public art plan discussion, or
[53:18] you could add a separate item. Either
[53:19] would be fine.
[53:21] >> I'd like to add
[53:23] Just there. I'd like to add the context
[53:26] that I do have a hard stop at 1:00
[53:28] because I have a medical appointment,
[53:30] so.
[53:31] with
[53:32] >> Um if we can just discuss it under
[53:34] If Nile said, are you all right with
[53:36] that?
[53:36] >> That's fine.
[53:36] >> Okay, so do I have a
[53:37] >> a hard stop um
[53:39] at 1:00. Maybe we should consider moving
[53:45] » item three up, or see the consent agenda
[53:49] before we start into the public art
[53:51] plan.
[53:52] >> Okay, let's go ahead. So, do I have a
[53:55] motion to approve the agenda with the
[53:59] um change of moving item number C
[54:02] underneath item number A.
[54:06] >> I so move.
[54:08] >> Second. Second.
[54:10] >> All in favor?
[54:10] >> Aye.
[54:17] So, first on the agenda, um Nile will
[54:21] let you speak to this first application
[54:23] for mural at Iceberg Restaurant, 849
[54:25] Zion Park Boulevard.
[54:29] » Yes, thank you.
[54:31] >> So, I can't hear you very much.
[54:33] >> Okay, is that better? Okay, I'll just talk close.
[54:38] Um so, uh
[54:40] this item is reviewing a mural
[54:42] application that's been submitted by Mr.
[54:44] Armand Boukhab, and he's right here, and
[54:48] um
[54:50] uh the mural is on his business, uh
[54:53] Iceberg Restaurant at 849 Zion Park
[54:56] Boulevard.
[54:58] So, at the time that the mural was
[55:00] installed, uh the applicant was unaware
[55:03] that there was any need to apply for a
[55:05] permit, um and once he was made aware of
[55:08] that requirement, he he made that permit
[55:11] application.
[55:12] Um
[55:13] so, now the art review board is
[55:15] requested to review the permit
[55:17] application and make a
[55:19] determination on that.
[55:21] So, the mural is a vinyl wrap attached
[55:24] to a side window of the restaurant. Um
[55:27] it's technically a mural rather than a
[55:30] window sign,
[55:31] um because a window sign, according to
[55:34] our um sign ordinance, can only take up
[55:38] 25% of the glazed area. So, because this
[55:41] is the whole glazed area, it's it's
[55:43] technically a mural.
[55:45] Um,
[55:46] so the mural, let me bring up a
[55:50] visual.
[55:57] So, here it is. So, as you can see, it
[56:00] depicts uh Zion Canyon.
[56:02] Um, and in terms of the size and
[56:04] dimensions, it complies with uh the
[56:08] relevant standards.
[56:10] Uh there are three areas where the sign
[56:13] may not or the sorry, the mural may not
[56:16] comply with the standards. So, those are
[56:18] the the points where I'd encourage the
[56:20] board to
[56:22] focus your discussion on.
[56:24] So, firstly, uh color palette.
[56:28] So,
[56:29] um murals are required to be the town
[56:31] color palette.
[56:33] Um, many of the colors on the mural
[56:36] don't comply with the color palette.
[56:39] However, there are certain um exceptions
[56:43] to the color palette requirement, which
[56:45] are in the policy. So,
[56:47] uh during your deliberation, I'd
[56:49] recommend
[56:50] uh you refer to those exceptions to see
[56:53] if if they will apply in this case.
[56:57] Uh the second point is about the
[57:00] signage. So, you can see um originally,
[57:03] there was Iceberg Drive-In, and the
[57:05] iceberg has been blocked off, and the
[57:07] drive-in is still there.
[57:09] Um,
[57:11] the um
[57:14] signage is not allowed as part of murals
[57:17] or any kind of even indirect references.
[57:19] So, I would recommend that
[57:21] um the drive-in would also need to be
[57:24] removed, too,
[57:26] um because it kind of refers to the
[57:28] restaurant.
[57:29] Um, and then thirdly,
[57:31] uh
[57:32] murals are not um allowed to be
[57:35] illuminated. And with this being on a window when the
[57:40] light inside is turned on at night, it
[57:43] is it is essentially backlit or
[57:45] illuminated. So that's uh something for you
[57:49] to consider. Um
[57:51] So I'd be happy to answer any questions.
[57:53] The applicant is right here as well. So
[57:56] I think he'd be happy to answer any
[57:58] questions as well that you may have.
[58:04] » I just have a couple questions. One,
[58:07] I know that we have a mural policy.
[58:10] How do we communicate that to the
[58:12] community and to businesses? Um so that
[58:17] they know uh for example, if someone goes for a
[58:20] business license, do they get all the policy on on murals?
[58:26] So I know that the mayor used to used to
[58:30] do a newsletter. I haven't gotten one
[58:31] recently, but uh would that be something
[58:34] that either the city could mail out to
[58:38] all residents as well as uh businesses
[58:42] stating that there is a mural excuse me
[58:45] a mural policy or and the mayor
[58:47] might be able to put something in the
[58:50] newsletter or
[58:52] you know, your office could. Is that a
[58:55] possibility?
[58:56] >> Yeah, I I think that would be a really
[58:58] good idea and cuz we do have the mural
[59:01] policy, but it's um
[59:04] not everybody knows about it. Um so
[59:07] yeah, I think we can probably
[59:10] do better at publicizing that. So
[59:12] whether through the monthly newsletter
[59:14] that the town sends out or or some other
[59:17] form that that would be I think a good
[59:19] suggestion.
[59:20] >> Yeah, I think that'd be real helpful.
[59:23] And then the other question I have, I I
[59:25] of looked up definition of murals.
[59:28] Uh and I know this is a wrap.
[59:31] But what is our definition of a mural?
[59:34] Because what I read, it's either
[59:36] painted, on canvas and
[59:40] applied.
[59:42] Um and so
[59:44] this is something
[59:46] I saw this
[59:47] more as a sign rather than a mural.
[59:52] >> So the definition of a mural that we
[59:54] have in the mural policy is
[59:57] the mix of colors, designs, shapes, and
[1:00:00] other design elements painted or
[1:00:02] permanently affixed onto a vertical or
[1:00:05] near vertical surface of a structure for
[1:00:08] the purpose of artistic display.
[1:00:11] So
[1:00:12] >> You had the word painted. And this isn't
[1:00:15] painted.
[1:00:15] >> Or per- or permanently applied.
[1:00:18] >> Yeah.
[1:00:18] >> and I I share your confusion. But but
[1:00:21] yeah.
[1:00:22] >> So yeah, it's it says painted, but it
[1:00:24] also says says or permanently affixed,
[1:00:27] which
[1:00:28] I think that's where this one would
[1:00:31] meet that requirement.
[1:00:34] >> Okay. I might have a question.
[1:00:35] >> Um I've got a question on the color
[1:00:38] palette issue.
[1:00:40] Um
[1:00:41] it said
[1:00:43] Well, the policy is if if a majority of
[1:00:46] the What's it say? Um
[1:00:50] bidy bidy uh
[1:00:54] It talks about a majority of the colors
[1:00:56] being in the palette and some exceptions
[1:00:59] for
[1:01:01] flyers um
[1:01:02] outside of that. But you're saying that
[1:01:04] many of these colors are not on the
[1:01:07] palette?
[1:01:08] >> Yeah. So
[1:01:10] >> And so I'm going to say how because it's
[1:01:12] Zion National Park. Look it up. I mean
[1:01:15] when I I'm sorry cuz I'm
[1:01:16] >> No, I have the same question.
[1:01:17] >> Because I look at this one
[1:01:20] and I'm like of all the people who have
[1:01:22] put all sorts of things in their windows
[1:01:24] of businesses in Springdale,
[1:01:26] this is about as tasteful as you can
[1:01:28] get.
[1:01:28] >> I I mean
[1:01:30] >> Yes, it's got the whole window and I
[1:01:33] it's backlit,
[1:01:35] but we're talking about public
[1:01:37] installations of art pieces and this is
[1:01:40] I almost looked at it as a public
[1:01:42] installation of an art piece.
[1:01:43] >> I do too.
[1:01:44] >> And even
[1:01:46] I and I realize we just nitpicked
[1:01:48] somebody else who had something if we
[1:01:50] call this a mural, that's one thing. I'm
[1:01:53] not calling it a mural in my opinion.
[1:01:56] Because I look at it and it almost has
[1:01:58] that retro look by putting Iceberg
[1:02:00] Drive-In. There is no drive-in. It's
[1:02:02] just that Iceberg started out as a
[1:02:04] drive-in restaurant and it's nostalgic
[1:02:07] and it's
[1:02:09] in my opinion spot-on. If you go right
[1:02:12] around the corner and you look at what
[1:02:13] the the Springdale Candy Company has
[1:02:15] just put up a bunch of signs in their
[1:02:17] window and
[1:02:19] to me that's far more advertising. The
[1:02:21] Switchback has, you know, steaks and
[1:02:23] this and that and
[1:02:25] Yeah.
[1:02:26] >> It's actually not even street facing
[1:02:28] technically.
[1:02:29] >> It's not even street facing. It's a
[1:02:30] bottle.
[1:02:31] >> Yeah.
[1:02:33] >> Looks better than the stucco that's on
[1:02:34] the rest of that wall. I don't In this particular case,
[1:02:42] I think it's great.
[1:02:43] >> I do too.
[1:02:44] >> I'm sorry. And if that puts us into all
[1:02:46] sorts of conflict,
[1:02:48] >> Yeah.
[1:02:49] >> Does all that something else?
[1:02:51] >> It does, but I think there's a way to
[1:02:52] fix it.
[1:02:53] >> Okay.
[1:02:54] Fix
[1:02:54] >> But I'm Well, I'm still confused on what
[1:02:56] colors in this are not on the palette.
[1:02:59] >> Sure. So, let me let me pull it up. So,
[1:03:02] our zoning administrator went out and
[1:03:05] did an analysis on this.
[1:03:07] Um
[1:03:08] >> I saw the check marks.
[1:03:10] >> Yeah, so it's kind of hard to see. Um
[1:03:12] but obviously there you know, there
[1:03:14] there's a lot of color in there, right?
[1:03:16] So,
[1:03:17] it's hard to get absolutely everything.
[1:03:20] But, the check marks are colors that did
[1:03:22] comply.
[1:03:24] Um and then the other areas. So,
[1:03:26] surprisingly
[1:03:28] the sandstone cliffs are
[1:03:31] not in the color palette.
[1:03:35] So,
[1:03:37] >> We need to change the canyon, clearly.
[1:03:40] >> I mean, I was just shocked.
[1:03:42] >> I mean, it's it's more illustration than
[1:03:44] signage.
[1:03:46] And it's a beautiful depiction.
[1:03:48] Albeit probably AI, but like nicely
[1:03:51] done. And I I just think like
[1:03:54] at what point do we go out with a little
[1:03:56] color, you know,
[1:03:58] analysis gun and and nitpick on the tiny
[1:04:01] little corners when it depicts the
[1:04:02] canyon beautifully. So.
[1:04:04] >> I mean, when we talked about public
[1:04:06] installations of art, we talked about
[1:04:09] the retaining walls and eventually
[1:04:11] potentially even having photography or a
[1:04:13] painting or something.
[1:04:15] I I see this as exactly the direction we
[1:04:18] were talking about going.
[1:04:20] And I think it enhances that corner.
[1:04:23] And
[1:04:25] So.
[1:04:26] >> I have a question. How were they
[1:04:28] handled? They've got it taped. Now,
[1:04:30] they're going to tape off the drive-in.
[1:04:33] That it's not real
[1:04:35] >> I'm going to say well, any of it. It's
[1:04:37] just
[1:04:40] It's what Whereas like well, well, thank
[1:04:43] you for following the letter of the law
[1:04:44] and it looks much better without the
[1:04:46] tape.
[1:04:48] >> Um I'm I'm sorry. I I just
[1:04:50] >> No, I'm I'm in 100% agreement. It's like
[1:04:53] why are we here taking down cool looking
[1:04:55] things in town because we can shoehorn
[1:04:57] them into some stipulation that we need
[1:04:59] to worry about. That's what it feels
[1:05:00] like.
[1:05:02] >> So, you would recommend that
[1:05:04] >> Mike, okay, Mike, you
[1:05:05] >> I'm having distress. We spent, I don't
[1:05:07] know, five or six meetings
[1:05:09] developing a mural policy. It was well
[1:05:13] ballpark it all under the street.
[1:05:15] If this is a mural, it does not comply.
[1:05:18] >> Can we call it something else?
[1:05:20] >> Yes. What's the spirit of the the the spirit of coming up with a good
[1:05:24] policy is to make sure things we don't
[1:05:26] like don't go up.
[1:05:28] And it sounds like we like this. And so
[1:05:31] it's like I don't like I don't
[1:05:32] >> Well, I do and you do. I don't know
[1:05:33] >> Yeah. I I mean it's like there's no need
[1:05:36] to be bullies because we
[1:05:38] >> I'm using our mural policy as a reason
[1:05:40] to
[1:05:41] um
[1:05:42] have some concerns. But I think it's
[1:05:44] fixable.
[1:05:45] Um
[1:05:46] >> Why can't it be a sign? That's my
[1:05:48] question.
[1:05:49] >> It covers too much of the window space.
[1:05:51] >> So do we Do we learn from this and say
[1:05:54] maybe the that description is wrong?
[1:05:58] Like the rules should If we're here to
[1:06:00] decide the rules that we want, then we
[1:06:02] should make the rules that we want, not
[1:06:05] go oh shoot, we're stuck.
[1:06:07] Right?
[1:06:08] >> So
[1:06:08] >> Mike, how do you feel about I I'm not
[1:06:10] trying to throw you under the bus here.
[1:06:12] I you know, cuz I kind of just seem like
[1:06:15] I did.
[1:06:16] But
[1:06:17] >> Never trust anyone who starts with now.
[1:06:20] » Um I just I mean you and I jumped off
[1:06:23] right away saying we like it, but that
[1:06:25] doesn't mean it's appropriate. And maybe
[1:06:27] I need to reel back in to what's
[1:06:30] appropriate. And if we're going to make
[1:06:32] a policy and we just said Zion
[1:06:34] Adventure, that doesn't work.
[1:06:36] >> Exactly.
[1:06:38] >> Can I make a suggestion on the color?
[1:06:40] So if
[1:06:45] » tentatively approve give them approval
[1:06:48] for it.
[1:06:49] >> Then I'd like you to take the
[1:06:51] stand.
[1:06:51] >> Well, there's there's only a Well,
[1:06:53] there's an issue that we didn't talk
[1:06:54] about in the notes. It said we had to
[1:06:56] determine whether it was Does it promote
[1:06:59] and enhance the town's village
[1:07:00] character?
[1:07:01] Okay. So we need to find have findings
[1:07:04] on that. That's pretty simple.
[1:07:06] Um
[1:07:07] the color palette um
[1:07:11] again, I don't understand why it doesn't
[1:07:14] comply, but our mural policy gives us It
[1:07:18] says uh if the
[1:07:20] majority of the colors do not contain
[1:07:22] colors shown on the town's palette for
[1:07:25] building and structures, then
[1:07:28] the applicant must demonstrate why these
[1:07:30] colors are necessary and why no color on
[1:07:32] the approved palette could be used. I
[1:07:34] mean, that's a one-sentence reason.
[1:07:36] >> Because it looks exactly like the Grand
[1:07:38] Canyon.
[1:07:38] >> Okay.
[1:07:39] So, it's we In our policy, we have a way
[1:07:41] to fix that.
[1:07:42] >> Okay.
[1:07:42] >> If we want to do it. Um
[1:07:45] it does contain advertising. That part bothers me. We We agonized with
[1:07:50] Sign Adventures over and over and over. And you can call this
[1:07:53] nostalgic, yes, but it's advertising. It
[1:07:55] needs to go.
[1:07:56] >> I agree.
[1:07:57] >> It just It just needs to go. Um
[1:08:00] the backlit um
[1:08:02] and I went by a couple times and the
[1:08:04] lights weren't on, so I never did see
[1:08:07] >> Yeah, I didn't see the lights on either.
[1:08:08] >> I didn't see the backlit effect, but it
[1:08:11] sounds like it is quite apparent.
[1:08:14] >> It It has been backlit at at least once
[1:08:17] or twice that we've seen. I I don't know
[1:08:19] if
[1:08:20] >> Yeah, it's in here.
[1:08:21] Not that it
[1:08:23] Yeah.
[1:08:24] >> So, the initial purpose for putting that
[1:08:27] is
[1:08:28] not only
[1:08:29] the picture of Zion,
[1:08:31] but it also it covers up
[1:08:33] the shape of the
[1:08:35] where
[1:08:36] we really didn't want
[1:08:39] people
[1:08:40] seeing the whole
[1:08:42] back back of the house.
[1:08:44] >> Yeah.
[1:08:45] >> Um
[1:08:46] plus it gets really hot
[1:08:49] at certain times of the day
[1:08:51] off that window as well, too.
[1:08:53] >> So, does it provide some type of shade?
[1:08:54] >> It It provides a little bit of
[1:08:57] I mean, it still gets hot.
[1:09:00] >> Um
[1:09:00] so, I've got a question for you.
[1:09:03] Was the investment of that
[1:09:06] window covering
[1:09:08] such that it would be financially
[1:09:12] very difficult to redo it without
[1:09:14] ruining it?
[1:09:16] >> We probably have our designer
[1:09:20] redo it, which
[1:09:22] would be a cost as well as
[1:09:24] taking it down
[1:09:26] and re-employing a new
[1:09:27] >> Our problem is we just need somebody
[1:09:29] else to remove it.
[1:09:33] » What if we could
[1:09:35] maybe have our designer just patch over
[1:09:37] the the iceberg driving?
[1:09:41] >> With what?
[1:09:42] >> I think that would work.
[1:09:43] >> redo it.
[1:09:44] >> put vinyl on top of vinyl.
[1:09:45] >> Yeah. Um, it should So, you know, it's
[1:09:49] on page five, it shows it lit. And you
[1:09:52] can see that iceberg shines through your
[1:09:55] painter's tape. And so I'm going to
[1:09:57] guess I
[1:09:58] love the idea. I love saving and being
[1:10:01] efficient where possible.
[1:10:02] >> You have to understand it's applied The
[1:10:04] sticky part is the vinyl.
[1:10:06] So, it's applied from the inside.
[1:10:09] >> Right. So, I guess
[1:10:10] >> We have to take it We have to take it
[1:10:12] apart.
[1:10:12] >> Are we not supposed to apply from the
[1:10:13] outside?
[1:10:13] >> Right. So, I think the only way it would
[1:10:15] work is if you were able to peel out the
[1:10:17] part the the the the signage part. And
[1:10:22] that And then make a little tiny patch.
[1:10:24] Yeah.
[1:10:26] So, as long as you removed that
[1:10:28] part, otherwise you couldn't put it on
[1:10:29] top cuz it's just shining through.
[1:10:31] >> You have to attach from the other side.
[1:10:33] >> Yeah.
[1:10:33] >> Attach to the front to cover up what's
[1:10:36] on the back.
[1:10:36] >> wouldn't look good. It wouldn't look
[1:10:38] good.
[1:10:38] >> But that it wouldn't look good.
[1:10:39] >> It wouldn't look
[1:10:40] >> No, you'd have to because because of the
[1:10:42] I mean,
[1:10:43] fortunately you have an example of of
[1:10:45] what it looks like shining through. So,
[1:10:47] >> With the amount of time that we put in
[1:10:49] the money we put in it in it already,
[1:10:51] I'd rather just redo it.
[1:10:54] >> The way I think that it would get
[1:10:55] approved.
[1:10:56] >> Right.
[1:10:57] >> If that's what it takes.
[1:10:59] >> But I'm also worried about
[1:11:01] once the lights are off, it really
[1:11:03] shouldn't be back lit. The only light
[1:11:05] that's on at night is over in the dining
[1:11:07] room.
[1:11:08] >> Or the lobby.
[1:11:09] >> Like over in the lobby. So, there's not
[1:11:11] really
[1:11:13] >> Lighting doesn't concern me.
[1:11:15] >> It doesn't me, either. It looks cool.
[1:11:17] >> out some of the
[1:11:18] allows less light to trespass out of
[1:11:21] that large window.
[1:11:22] You know, I haven't seen it with the
[1:11:23] kitchen lights on.
[1:11:24] >> Yeah.
[1:11:24] >> But it Especially like wintertime when
[1:11:28] it gets dark at 7:00.
[1:11:30] >> I mean, to me that's a win. It just
[1:11:34] cuts back light trespass. Um
[1:11:37] >> It illuminates the mirror.
[1:11:40] >> I think that's
[1:11:42] >> you rather have Would you have rather
[1:11:44] have our lights in the in the store
[1:11:49] totally totally light up that window
[1:11:51] without the mirror?
[1:11:54] » We're just trying to fix it.
[1:11:56] >> I I
[1:11:57] >> I think you could you I'm sorry.
[1:12:02] I think you could say When I think of a
[1:12:04] sign being or
[1:12:06] any kind of art being illuminated, it's
[1:12:08] with a light specifically
[1:12:11] >> directed at it. I I don't think it's
[1:12:13] >> Yeah, not interior illumination.
[1:12:16] >> I don't think it's a mirror and I don't
[1:12:18] think it's a sign. I think it's a window
[1:12:20] covering. But you've got to be careful
[1:12:22] of what you approve here because that
[1:12:24] could be a big
[1:12:26] That's true.
[1:12:27] >> Could you just take a rattle can of flat
[1:12:29] back black paint on the back of it to
[1:12:32] cut the transmission of light through
[1:12:33] it? Would that fix it?
[1:12:37] » Because then it wouldn't be illuminated.
[1:12:39] >> You know, I hear what Barbara is saying
[1:12:42] because we need to be consistent and
[1:12:45] we're trying to treat everybody
[1:12:47] equally.
[1:12:48] >> Which is why I agree with what Mike is
[1:12:50] saying that the words have to come off.
[1:12:51] Yeah. Unfortunately.
[1:12:53] >> Yeah.
[1:12:54] >> That's
[1:12:54] >> or we don't call it a mural.
[1:12:57] >> We can call it Can you make exception to signs?
[1:13:04] Well, what that's not that
[1:13:06] >> Well, or are we avoiding six other
[1:13:08] loopholes?
[1:13:09] That's that feels like we're trying to
[1:13:17] » We understand. I think it's great, but
[1:13:19] um
[1:13:20] doesn't comply.
[1:13:22] Um so, let's So,
[1:13:26] I'm the one who opened it like, "I think
[1:13:27] this is fantastic. I think it's great."
[1:13:29] And now I'm like, "We better be careful
[1:13:31] what we set up."
[1:13:32] >> Cuz you might have 15 other
[1:13:34] >> Mhm.
[1:13:35] >> window things go up in the next 2 months
[1:13:38] and they're you know, "Hey."
[1:13:40] So, here's a question for this panel
[1:13:44] because we don't control
[1:13:47] window signs.
[1:13:48] Um and it started kind of with the
[1:13:52] switchback. Trying to get away from it
[1:13:55] really was a way to get away from
[1:13:58] requirements of signs and limitations of
[1:14:00] sign to advertise for your business. So,
[1:14:03] all of a sudden steaks and why I don't
[1:14:05] know what's on the switchback, but it
[1:14:07] was a creative way to get around our
[1:14:10] sign ordinance. Really was.
[1:14:13] So,
[1:14:15] as much as I'm like, "This is really
[1:14:17] cool and I'd like it to stay."
[1:14:19] I I agree with Barb and I agree with
[1:14:22] Mike. If we open up a can of worms,
[1:14:24] where do we go from here?
[1:14:26] So, I personally think
[1:14:31] it's a great window covering.
[1:14:33] Wish the words weren't on it.
[1:14:36] But, if our town only allows a certain
[1:14:38] percent for window covering,
[1:14:41] then it's a sign. Is it a sign? Do we
[1:14:43] throw it to the town council you know,
[1:14:44] somebody else because it's a sign not a
[1:14:46] mural, or
[1:14:47] >> Do we
[1:14:51] » Um
[1:14:54] Do we add more stipulation to
[1:14:57] Instead of making ugly window covers
[1:15:00] only 25% do we do we impose more taste
[1:15:04] control on window coverings? Is that the
[1:15:06] better way to approach it?
[1:15:08] >> Well, window signs are not
[1:15:10] don't require a permit, so they just
[1:15:13] need to be there's that size
[1:15:15] restriction, but if you're within that
[1:15:16] size restriction, there's no permit
[1:15:18] requirement.
[1:15:20] It's 25%
[1:15:22] Yeah. So,
[1:15:24] um
[1:15:26] Yeah, and I suppose the
[1:15:28] if you get into regulating window signs
[1:15:31] at that level
[1:15:33] um
[1:15:35] It's it's quite a lot, I suppose. I'm
[1:15:37] just saying kind of it's it's quite a
[1:15:39] lot of minutiae, and obviously that's a
[1:15:42] policy decision that would be for the
[1:15:43] town council, probably.
[1:15:45] Um
[1:15:47] But, um
[1:15:48] we have a fairly
[1:15:50] um fairly strict um signage ordinance at
[1:15:55] the moment, um and there and yeah,
[1:15:57] window signs are exempt from that so
[1:15:59] long as they comply with that.
[1:16:02] percentage
[1:16:02] >> make some suggestions to be efficient
[1:16:04] here, cuz it feels like we're going in
[1:16:06] several directions, but which is
[1:16:07] exactly. So, let's see if this makes
[1:16:10] everybody happy. If they were to, and
[1:16:13] I'm sorry about the extra cost, if they
[1:16:15] were to redesign it exactly as it
[1:16:17] exists, remove the the
[1:16:21] words
[1:16:22] um stick with the color palette because
[1:16:25] it looks exactly like the surrounding
[1:16:26] area, and call it highlighting.
[1:16:29] Um
[1:16:30] and the illumination of the mural hap is
[1:16:34] a little bit happenstance. It's not that
[1:16:36] they've hung a bunch of lights shining
[1:16:39] on a wall.
[1:16:40] I'd just call that
[1:16:41] you know, that's that's what it is. I
[1:16:43] love that their rationale came in going,
[1:16:46] "Well, would you rather have a big
[1:16:48] bright kitchen window, you know,
[1:16:50] uh shining out onto the canyon?" Plus,
[1:16:53] it's just it's it's more comfortable for
[1:16:55] them. It's more attractive for us to
[1:16:57] walk by a beautiful, you know, like
[1:16:59] that. It's only lit during business
[1:17:01] hours. Anyway, it feels like we could
[1:17:02] sort of if we could loosen up a little
[1:17:05] bit of
[1:17:06] like coming up with little worries
[1:17:08] everywhere and just go, "Does this make
[1:17:10] everybody happy and meet the letter or
[1:17:11] the spirit?"
[1:17:13] >> mural and we take off the lettering.
[1:17:14] >> Yes. And and and and redefine what we're
[1:17:17] saying is illuminated because it isn't
[1:17:19] that they hung a bunch of lights, which
[1:17:21] is how I understood the
[1:17:24] I mean, does that get us where we need
[1:17:25] to be?
[1:17:26] >> The only problem I see is
[1:17:29] if you don't communicate to the
[1:17:31] businesses and the community that there
[1:17:35] is a mural policy.
[1:17:38] >> That's We all agree, but maybe that
[1:17:40] today isn't the day to solve that.
[1:17:41] >> time for that today. So,
[1:17:43] um Mike
[1:17:45] >> agree, too.
[1:17:46] >> I keep falling back on our policy that
[1:17:49] we spent so much time to creating and I
[1:17:51] hate to see us bastardize it. Um
[1:17:54] it sounds like we all want this to
[1:17:56] happen. So, why don't we use and and as
[1:17:59] I was reading through this, I was I was
[1:18:00] trying to tell myself, "How can we
[1:18:02] approve this given given our
[1:18:05] Well, here's some I can't but I'll go
[1:18:07] through before I do that. Um
[1:18:10] First of all, I think the mural does
[1:18:11] promote and enhance the town's village
[1:18:13] character. Okay, we agree to that and
[1:18:15] that's part of our policy.
[1:18:17] Um
[1:18:18] The majority of the colors shown on the
[1:18:21] do not are not contained on the town's
[1:18:24] palette. These are findings. That's what
[1:18:27] Niles has told us.
[1:18:29] Um
[1:18:31] It contains advertising, which is not
[1:18:32] compliant with our policy. And the mural
[1:18:35] is illuminated backlit, which is
[1:18:36] non-compliant um
[1:18:38] with our policy. Um I don't know how to
[1:18:40] handle that one. But conditions that we
[1:18:42] could talk about to approve it is
[1:18:44] because the colors are not
[1:18:46] the majority of colors are not
[1:18:47] compliant, the applicant must
[1:18:49] demonstrate why the colors are necessary
[1:18:51] and why no color on the approved
[1:18:53] palettes could be used. And that's as
[1:18:55] simple as we copied the surroundings.
[1:18:58] >> Perfect.
[1:18:59] >> Um the applicant must present or prevent
[1:19:02] backlit transmission from inside the
[1:19:04] building. Could be by
[1:19:07] turning the lights off, could be by
[1:19:08] hanging a shade. I don't care how they
[1:19:09] do it, but
[1:19:10] >> I
[1:19:11] >> because the backlit thing to me is the
[1:19:13] same as a computer screen. You look at
[1:19:15] an image on a computer screen, it's just
[1:19:17] you look at it in a print, it's not. And
[1:19:20] that's the difference in my mind.
[1:19:22] >> I think I um it's unfortunate that none
[1:19:24] of us have seen it at night because it
[1:19:26] may or may not be be that bright. I
[1:19:27] don't know. We're making an assumption
[1:19:29] there. So.
[1:19:30] >> Um and and I I'm going to argue with you
[1:19:33] on
[1:19:35] the fact that just merely by having
[1:19:38] interior lights on
[1:19:40] that the sign is illuminated because I
[1:19:42] >> Yeah.
[1:19:43] >> mural is illuminated because I look at
[1:19:46] like business signs. They have down
[1:19:48] direct lights on them. I look at
[1:19:52] if you take
[1:19:54] a piece of artwork and you can take a
[1:19:56] piece of artwork, you can take a
[1:19:57] photograph and you can put it in a
[1:19:59] shadow box and you can literally put
[1:20:01] interior lights that illuminate.
[1:20:03] To me this is not illumination
[1:20:05] by intention.
[1:20:07] So I don't think it's illumination. I
[1:20:09] think it just simply has that light is
[1:20:15] What is the word?
[1:20:16] Maybe the
[1:20:17] >> backlit
[1:20:17] >> ambient almost backlit. It's
[1:20:20] trespassing. The light is trespassing in
[1:20:21] that there's far less light trespassing
[1:20:24] through it than would be if if you
[1:20:27] removed the mural entirely. I don't I
[1:20:30] it's backlit. I think that technically I
[1:20:32] I'm going to say it's not unless they
[1:20:34] have installed lights
[1:20:36] directly
[1:20:37] pointed at it.
[1:20:39] I don't think it's illuminated. I think
[1:20:41] that's a stretch.
[1:20:43] >> Let me ask you. It seems like
[1:20:47] we going to
[1:20:48] we're favor of this mural even though I
[1:20:51] can I still see it more as a sign.
[1:20:54] Uh they've said that they'd be willing
[1:20:57] to take it down and redo it and work
[1:20:59] with their
[1:21:00] designer on putting it out up without
[1:21:03] the sign each on it. When you work with
[1:21:06] the designer
[1:21:07] and I know it's pasted on, can your
[1:21:10] designer put a it to to to to
[1:21:14] address the light issue?
[1:21:17] Which I probably more agreement with
[1:21:18] Kathy and Lisa on that. To me it's front
[1:21:21] lighting not backlighting, but can they
[1:21:23] do something
[1:21:25] on the back
[1:21:26] that would stop
[1:21:29] the light from coming through?
[1:21:30] >> You guys don't even know how much You
[1:21:32] haven't seen it at night.
[1:21:34] So
[1:21:37] Yeah, but I mean we're talking about an
[1:21:41] hour, maybe 2 hours at night.
[1:21:45] I mean I close at 9:00 at night.
[1:21:50] Yeah.
[1:21:51] >> Illumination is an intentional
[1:21:54] creation of lighting to illuminate
[1:21:57] something and this is just interior
[1:22:00] ambient light
[1:22:03] and it's
[1:22:04] coming out. I I think that we can get by
[1:22:07] with this
[1:22:09] with just stating we've came to the
[1:22:11] conclusion we don't think it's
[1:22:13] >> Yeah, I I don't think we're bastardizing
[1:22:15] the thing that we worked so hard on. I
[1:22:17] sympathize with that concern and we're we're jumping to conclusions where
[1:22:22] there's tons of room for interpretation,
[1:22:25] not not just be handy, but to be what is
[1:22:27] the spirit?
[1:22:29] >> Next meeting.
[1:22:30] >> Right, and then we're going to go look
[1:22:32] how bright. Well, it might be a matter
[1:22:34] of how you know, how is it more bright
[1:22:37] than
[1:22:38] would it be without the thing there?
[1:22:40] >> Okay, can I ask a question?
[1:22:43] Because none of us have seen it at
[1:22:44] night.
[1:22:46] Can we allow them to keep the sign as is
[1:22:48] till next month when we've had a chance
[1:22:50] to all go um view it at night?
[1:22:54] >> Table
[1:22:55] >> You could Yeah, you could table this and
[1:22:58] allow it to continue, you know, without
[1:23:01] um
[1:23:02] any enforcement or anything until you've
[1:23:04] had the chance to review it and then
[1:23:07] convene again at some future date if you
[1:23:09] like.
[1:23:12] » Well, we close at 9:00. They clean up no
[1:23:15] more no longer than an hour after, so
[1:23:19] I It would help me to see
[1:23:20] >> I I I just think that it's not fair to
[1:23:22] them for us to not have seen it at night
[1:23:24] and be discussing discussing whether the
[1:23:26] illumination
[1:23:27] >> Cathy, I would so move then that we
[1:23:30] table it until the next meeting.
[1:23:34] » All in favor?
[1:23:35] >> I.
[1:23:36] >> In the meantime, it stays the way it is.
[1:23:39] >> I.
[1:23:41] >> Yeah, sorry.
[1:23:42] >> If if it's going to be redone anyway, is
[1:23:44] there any way to make it a little more
[1:23:47] >> I haven't I haven't 100%
[1:23:50] approved the the redoing of it.
[1:23:52] >> Oh, okay. So, let's just let's do it
[1:23:54] right. Okay. I apologize that we didn't
[1:23:56] get a chance to see it at night. Um but
[1:23:59] I think it
[1:24:01] Well, and I I
[1:24:03] >> There is one here, but it's
[1:24:04] >> It's too hard to tell in the in the
[1:24:07] Instead of having you remove it till we
[1:24:09] have all the information.
[1:24:11] Okay, thank you.
[1:24:12] >> I I don't think everybody voted on that
[1:24:15] motion, did they? I think we kind of got
[1:24:17] halfway. Oh, you did. Yeah.
[1:24:19] >> So, we tabled it.
[1:24:21] >> stable
[1:24:22] >> Okay, so you guys we have 19 minutes.
[1:24:24] Let's go to the consent
[1:24:26] >> We got to go.
[1:24:27] in 12 minutes on October
[1:24:28] 25th.
[1:24:29] >> Thank you, guys.
[1:24:30] >> Thank you.
[1:24:32] >> I so move we approve the minutes as
[1:24:34] read.
[1:24:35] >> have any discussion concerning this?
[1:24:37] All in favor?
[1:24:38] >> Aye.
[1:24:41] >> Okay.
[1:24:42] 19 minutes isn't a lot of time to get
[1:24:43] into the
[1:24:46] um
[1:24:47] document. Mike, you've made some
[1:24:48] changes. Jack's made some changes.
[1:24:52] Um
[1:24:53] I didn't know how to run my computer.
[1:24:55] >> I didn't either.
[1:24:58] » Um
[1:25:00] I like the direction that it's going. Um
[1:25:04] and it you know, we talked about
[1:25:06] incorporating the language that's in the
[1:25:08] general plan, which I was just going to
[1:25:10] cut and paste if I knew how to do that,
[1:25:12] but I don't. I I'm just thinking
[1:25:15] 18 minutes isn't enough to get into
[1:25:17] this with Lisa having to leave. We don't
[1:25:19] have Jack here.
[1:25:21] >> I'll suggest and I referred back to the
[1:25:24] Ivan's plan that
[1:25:25] >> I have that printed as well.
[1:25:27] >> Let's plagiarize. It is really good and
[1:25:30] it's simple. We can We can make things
[1:25:32] fit or not fit. Uh we don't have to
[1:25:34] recreate.
[1:25:35] >> Does everybody still have that Ivan's
[1:25:37] plan?
[1:25:37] >> Yes.
[1:25:38] >> Lisa, do you have it?
[1:25:40] >> Um probably somewhere. I don't have it
[1:25:41] up right now.
[1:25:41] >> I have it printed.
[1:25:43] And I agree.
[1:25:45] >> And
[1:25:46] maybe we can figure out how to have one
[1:25:48] document that shows our edits.
[1:25:51] Because I'm not sure how to do that.
[1:25:54] >> I may be need a little tutorial.
[1:25:57] Maybe that's something we can each come
[1:25:58] in individual on our own time to have
[1:26:00] somebody
[1:26:01] >> what um if I'm understanding what's
[1:26:03] being asked for, what Jack did was
[1:26:05] basically take the the Word doc and
[1:26:08] upload it into Google
[1:26:11] and it's still a Word doc, basically,
[1:26:14] but we We all just go in and make edits.
[1:26:17] >> just
[1:26:17] >> worked with something like that.
[1:26:18] >> Do you have a Google login?
[1:26:20] Of any sort?
[1:26:21] >> a Gmail account.
[1:26:22] >> Okay, then you do.
[1:26:23] >> Okay.
[1:26:25] >> I can help you if you want.
[1:26:26] >> Okay.
[1:26:26] >> Cuz that's exactly that. It'll go in and
[1:26:28] it'll track every single change and
[1:26:30] we're all looking at the same
[1:26:31] >> Can we just put the Ivan's document on
[1:26:34] and start editing that?
[1:26:36] >> That's the one Jack already
[1:26:37] >> That is the one. That is the Ivan's one.
[1:26:39] >> The link that he
[1:26:40] >> No, it's not.
[1:26:41] >> The link that he sent is in Google.
[1:26:44] >> But it's not the Ivan's document.
[1:26:45] >> No.
[1:26:45] >> Oh, oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood what
[1:26:47] you said.
[1:26:48] >> It's the
[1:26:49] discussions we had previously that were
[1:26:52] kind of summarized and then
[1:26:53] >> If we uploaded Ivan's and then just kind
[1:26:55] of change it based on our discussion, I
[1:26:57] think we'd be further ahead.
[1:26:59] Can we do that?
[1:27:01] >> We have I think we all have a copy of
[1:27:03] it.
[1:27:03] >> Yeah.
[1:27:04] >> So, I think the
[1:27:07] I have a a few thoughts. Um
[1:27:10] I think it could be helpful to work on
[1:27:13] this Google document where you can kind
[1:27:15] of add things.
[1:27:16] Um we need to be cognizant of um the
[1:27:19] open and public meetings act so that no
[1:27:22] decisions are being made out outside of
[1:27:25] a public meeting.
[1:27:27] But I think um editing and making
[1:27:30] suggestions to a document that then you
[1:27:33] would discuss in a public meeting is probably fine or if if two board members wanted to work
[1:27:43] independently on this, you you can meet
[1:27:45] in groups of two, but if you have three,
[1:27:48] then it's it's more
[1:27:50] >> No, no, no, I'm talking about meeting to
[1:27:51] discuss it. I'm talking about actually
[1:27:53] taking Ivan's plans because
[1:27:56] as much as I've looked at that, too,
[1:27:58] it's a pretty substantial plan.
[1:28:00] >> And it doesn't apply.
[1:28:02] >> Yeah, and then just starting to strike
[1:28:03] what doesn't apply, but we do it all
[1:28:05] independently, but we start with Ivan's
[1:28:07] document because it's just so much more
[1:28:09] complete than what we have now.
[1:28:12] So, we start with that
[1:28:14] and we leave
[1:28:15] what Jack started editing and then we
[1:28:18] both could we could all kind of look at
[1:28:20] Ivan's and just go through kind of
[1:28:24] like literally
[1:28:26] like
[1:28:27] I've got it printed. I'll do it with a
[1:28:28] red line and just going to edit it from
[1:28:31] paper and then kind of come back with a
[1:28:34] 2-hour work meeting next.
[1:28:36] >> So, we remove what doesn't apply rather
[1:28:38] than building from scratch.
[1:28:39] >> And start removing and just take a
[1:28:43] first three pages, second three pages.
[1:28:46] >> Now, Ivan's plan is a PDF. I don't know,
[1:28:49] can you can you edit a PDF in Google
[1:28:51] >> Once it goes to PDF, it's difficult to
[1:28:53] go backwards
[1:28:54] >> Yeah.
[1:28:56] So, we we don't have a word
[1:28:59] >> We'd have to print it.
[1:29:02] Um
[1:29:03] I I could see. I mean
[1:29:06] if you have Adobe Acrobat, you can edit.
[1:29:10] Um
[1:29:11] it's a bit messy.
[1:29:12] >> Because they to make it small, they peel
[1:29:14] a bunch of the nice things that make it
[1:29:16] work nicely as word processing out.
[1:29:19] Typically.
[1:29:21] >> Yeah, I I could certainly reach out to
[1:29:22] Ivan City and see if they would be
[1:29:24] willing to share a word document
[1:29:27] um of that.
[1:29:28] I don't know if they would, but it
[1:29:29] >> would go straight up to Google and be
[1:29:31] the nice place where we can all
[1:29:33] >> have a training session.
[1:29:34] >> Exactly.
[1:29:35] >> Okay.
[1:29:35] >> And and and each edit is
[1:29:37] um marked who did it, so yeah.
[1:29:41] >> Um
[1:29:43] hope Jack's okay and that it was just
[1:29:46] that I thought it was today was
[1:29:48] Sunday instead of
[1:29:50] um
[1:29:51] so, please check in and let us know he's
[1:29:54] all right.
[1:29:55] Um I I don't you know, other than
[1:29:57] discussing that maybe like I I agree
[1:29:59] with Mike plagiarizing Ivan's is
[1:30:02] probably a good way to start. Well,
[1:30:04] okay, you didn't say
[1:30:05] >> word, not ours.
[1:30:06] >> Yeah,
[1:30:07] >> I don't think we're plagiarizing. We're
[1:30:09] using it as a guide.
[1:30:11] >> Yeah, okay.
[1:30:12] >> There you go.
[1:30:12] >> That's what I meant to say.
[1:30:13] >> Boilerplate.
[1:30:14] >> But I
[1:30:15] He said it first.
[1:30:18] >> Okay, so
[1:30:19] >> You know, this is going to end up being
[1:30:21] a short meeting, but you know
[1:30:22] >> I got a couple questions for
[1:30:25] They can be answered. Um
[1:30:27] What's the status of Sign Adventures? Is
[1:30:30] that mural all redone now?
[1:30:32] >> It is, yes. It's redone and compliant.
[1:30:37] >> Um we talked about in our last meeting
[1:30:39] the and I think it's Jim had the same
[1:30:42] question. Um
[1:30:44] interjecting a a line budget item um
[1:30:49] for I for art, public art.
[1:30:52] Do you know if
[1:30:53] >> Yeah.
[1:30:54] >> the budget process included that or not?
[1:30:56] >> Yes, so in the tentative budget,
[1:30:58] there're $8,000 has been
[1:31:01] um
[1:31:03] assigned for a wrap tax um for public
[1:31:07] art. So, that's in the tentative budget.
[1:31:11] >> So, public art competes with
[1:31:14] wrap applications
[1:31:17] or
[1:31:17] >> I
[1:31:18] >> It's in addition to that.
[1:31:20] >> It's been specifically earmarked
[1:31:22] um
[1:31:24] Do you know, Mary?
[1:31:25] >> So, we should have the wrap money and
[1:31:27] then not $8,000.
[1:31:29] Is that what
[1:31:30] >> No, I I I don't I don't know.
[1:31:31] >> I think it's just $8,000
[1:31:34] um
[1:31:35] was specifically put against it.
[1:31:37] >> I I think my question on that is that
[1:31:39] it's now been set. We do at least have
[1:31:42] $8,000
[1:31:44] and that money carries over because one
[1:31:46] of the projects we discussed was the
[1:31:49] sculpture, which is going to be after
[1:31:52] installation and mine and all that
[1:31:54] at or whatever, but the board will look
[1:31:57] at could look at that budget and I was
[1:32:00] thinking, you know, if they wanted to
[1:32:02] buy a
[1:32:04] I had a lot on donations. If they wanted
[1:32:06] to buy a painting, the painting could
[1:32:09] come out of that. But, I think the focus
[1:32:11] of the board will be sort of prioritize
[1:32:14] what they're what what they're looking
[1:32:16] at. And I understood that we were
[1:32:19] Maybe it was just me that was
[1:32:21] it seemed to be a sculpture of some si-
[1:32:23] sorts was a high priority.
[1:32:33] » My question was, did it make it as a
[1:32:34] line item? It sounds like it did.
[1:32:36] >> It's a line item on the tentative
[1:32:38] agenda, and then our June Council
[1:32:40] meeting will have a public hearing to
[1:32:42] finalize that.
[1:32:44] » So, let's go back.
[1:32:46] >> Yes, Mike, it is a line item.
[1:32:48] >> Okay.
[1:32:48] But, that's an addition. We still have
[1:32:50] Washington County's RAP tax.
[1:32:54] » We did submit an application for RAP
[1:32:56] tax.
[1:32:59] » We have to as a board?
[1:33:02] >> I don't know.
[1:33:02] >> It's a good question, because we got two
[1:33:04] RAP tax applications.
[1:33:06] Um
[1:33:08] one was tabled, and one was approved.
[1:33:11] But, we still have RAP tax money.
[1:33:14] So
[1:33:16] >> But, the town has a process for RAP um
[1:33:19] applications only once a year or
[1:33:21] something.
[1:33:22] Right?
[1:33:24] >> Yeah, but um we have a process for RAP
[1:33:27] tax
[1:33:28] applications, but
[1:33:31] >> Yeah, so
[1:33:32] >> one of them, and I said I said when we
[1:33:35] tabled it is that
[1:33:37] does it have to be approved now? And Tom
[1:33:39] said no,
[1:33:40] it can be approved later.
[1:33:41] >> How much is the RAP tax?
[1:33:44] What's left?
[1:33:45] >> But, but every year, how much is it?
[1:33:48] >> It varies depending on This year it's
[1:33:50] $60,000.
[1:33:52] >> Yeah, I I don't know. I I don't have
[1:33:55] much close workings with kind of the mechanisms of this, so
[1:34:00] I
[1:34:09] » If that's the case, we could send out to
[1:34:12] bid like for
[1:34:14] that roundabout area that we talked
[1:34:17] about. And
[1:34:18] how do we do that? We should be
[1:34:19] educating ourselves on that.
[1:34:22] Let's use Washington County's
[1:34:23] >> Anyone entity can only
[1:34:27] It's It's a little more There's a policy
[1:34:29] that you should look at.
[1:34:30] >> Yeah, we need to We need to be brought
[1:34:32] up to
[1:34:32] >> that because we're inside the walls a
[1:34:34] little bit? We're It's
[1:34:35] >> Z-Arts
[1:34:36] >> Yeah, Z-Arts.
[1:34:38] >> The max any one group can get is 15,000,
[1:34:41] but then it's 50% for roundabouts, 50%
[1:34:46] supplies. Yeah, there's there's a
[1:34:48] policy.
[1:34:50] >> Well, let's look at
[1:34:52] bronze sculptures in in St. George.
[1:34:56] If you go out toward Entrada Country
[1:34:58] Club, they've got some horses.
[1:35:01] You know, we talked about
[1:35:03] couple areas that sculpture or sculpture
[1:35:05] garden might be appropriate. You know, a
[1:35:08] large bronze sculpture
[1:35:10] you know, could be 50, 60,000 dollars.
[1:35:13] You know, we talked a little bit about
[1:35:14] or maybe this was just me, you know, at
[1:35:17] that
[1:35:18] at the beginning of the town, if you did
[1:35:20] something in bronze, having it be, you
[1:35:23] know, like
[1:35:24] native, like bighorn or, you know,
[1:35:26] something like that that was bronze
[1:35:28] that, you know, would be tasteful and,
[1:35:31] you know, not a two-story, you know,
[1:35:34] Marilyn
[1:35:37] So, I think that
[1:35:40] >> We need some real heavy education on
[1:35:42] what that road tax is, how to apply for
[1:35:45] it, how the town of Springdale's art
[1:35:48] board
[1:35:49] could
[1:35:50] >> Cuz we said, let's do a call to artists.
[1:35:52] But before we do a call to artists, we
[1:35:53] need to understand what we know and what
[1:35:56] we don't know. Like, hey, you know,
[1:35:58] Megan, you work on metal sculpture and
[1:36:00] we would love to see something in the
[1:36:02] town of Springdale, you know,
[1:36:03] potentially if you bring us
[1:36:06] forward with a project, max would be
[1:36:08] 15,000.
[1:36:10] But we could also pull the eight from
[1:36:11] the town. You know, I I just think
[1:36:14] we're kind of flying dark here. We don't
[1:36:16] really understand what's available as
[1:36:19] the art
[1:36:20] board
[1:36:21] >> We need to know what money is going to
[1:36:23] be available.
[1:36:24] >> And how to how to access it.
[1:36:25] >> How to get it.
[1:36:26] >> Well, there's quite a continuum in terms
[1:36:27] of cost. Like, I I love the idea of a
[1:36:29] big um, you know, tasteful bronze, but
[1:36:32] that's going to cost a lot more than
[1:36:34] another thing we were talking about,
[1:36:35] which is like the the rust the like the
[1:36:38] well the well-done um, botanicals,
[1:36:40] right?
[1:36:41] >> Well, like you look at Las Vegas. I
[1:36:42] mean, they did a fantastic job.
[1:36:44] >> Exactly. Exactly.
[1:36:45] >> with her.
[1:36:46] >> And then we could maybe
[1:36:47] >> mean, those parts of the
[1:36:49] like don't you You know, the metal
[1:36:51] pieces that they've done.
[1:36:53] You don't like those? You You know what
[1:36:55] I'm talking about.
[1:36:56] >> art?
[1:36:56] >> Yeah. It's spectacular.
[1:36:58] >> Yeah.
[1:36:59] >> So, you know, yeah. Um, and we do
[1:37:02] >> And that that that gives us a lot of
[1:37:04] ways to go depending on the budget.
[1:37:09] » Mhm.
[1:37:09] >> But we need to create some type of call
[1:37:11] to artists, but before we can start
[1:37:13] sending that out
[1:37:14] >> to know where the money is.
[1:37:15] >> Yeah, and how to access it. I think
[1:37:17] we're just a little bit
[1:37:18] >> The good news is is now there's a line
[1:37:20] item now in the budget, so that's
[1:37:23] more than there was six months ago.
[1:37:25] >> Absolutely. Thank you.
[1:37:27] >> I know we're limited in time. One of the
[1:37:29] things I looked at a lot was donations.
[1:37:33] And then, I guess the question, and I
[1:37:35] know
[1:37:37] if uh a cuz you could look at monetary
[1:37:41] donations and actually
[1:37:43] art pieces donations. And then, if it's
[1:37:46] a monetary donation, I remember what it
[1:37:50] would go into a fund
[1:37:52] and then that fund would carry on. And
[1:37:56] if it's an art piece, then there would
[1:37:58] be some kind of way that the art piece
[1:38:01] would come before the art review board
[1:38:05] and they would do an art inspection.
[1:38:08] Sometimes it's called an
[1:38:10] a session inspection.
[1:38:12] And the only question I then had if it is money from the budget then
[1:38:19] obviously it becomes it would be public
[1:38:22] art and the public art specifically
[1:38:24] states that it has to be someplace where
[1:38:27] the public sees it. If it is a private
[1:38:31] donation and say that I gave a painting
[1:38:34] and the art board okayed it
[1:38:38] then
[1:38:39] the it would then become the property of
[1:38:41] the city
[1:38:42] and it would have
[1:38:44] since it's a property of the city, the
[1:38:46] city could put it anywhere they want to
[1:38:48] in an office or anything else. They
[1:38:50] wouldn't have to put it in a public area
[1:38:53] because it didn't come from public
[1:38:56] funds. And the only reason I'm looking
[1:38:58] at that is somewhere down the line when
[1:39:01] you have long range goals and short
[1:39:03] range goals, hopefully
[1:39:06] Springdale will come up with an idea of
[1:39:08] having a museum that would feature the
[1:39:12] history of Springdale. I was up in
[1:39:16] Calistoga. They have a it's a small town
[1:39:19] in Northern California. They have a
[1:39:20] wonderful museum there that really
[1:39:23] features the history um but it also has
[1:39:27] the the art of the area.
[1:39:29] And then whatever art was donated if it
[1:39:33] was
[1:39:34] uh from a
[1:39:35] well, whatever city would
[1:39:37] >> I'm going to for the sake of we are
[1:39:39] going to have to
[1:39:39] >> That's a good four minutes. I think
[1:39:41] that's something to talk about at the
[1:39:42] next meeting. I think that's great idea
[1:39:44] and thanks for mentioning and bringing
[1:39:46] it up. I'm going to myself take about 60
[1:39:49] seconds.
[1:39:50] I don't know if there's any possible way
[1:39:52] that the Art Review Board can have any
[1:39:54] kind of like send a message to
[1:39:57] town of Springdale Planning Commission
[1:40:02] and Town Council to do something about
[1:40:04] the Michael Fatali
[1:40:06] abandoned Casa de Amigo. That is really
[1:40:08] talk about something that's causing an
[1:40:10] eyesore for this community. It's
[1:40:12] embarrassing. The paper that's falling
[1:40:14] down and the I'm far more concerned
[1:40:16] about that than the new sign that went
[1:40:18] up in the iceberg. Not saying that in
[1:40:20] front of them, but it is I mean we're
[1:40:22] the Art Review Board and that has
[1:40:24] nothing to do with art other than the
[1:40:25] fact that it is a huge
[1:40:31] message.
[1:40:33] >> Yeah. I don't know what what why are we
[1:40:35] bothering with the nitpicking around
[1:40:38] tiny
[1:40:39] >> It's
[1:40:41] There's nothing we can do. It's falling
[1:40:43] apart.
[1:40:46] » Doesn't it fall into the category of
[1:40:48] like peeling paint and things like that?
[1:40:50] >> Our abandoned building
[1:40:51] >> Whether it's inside the windows or out?
[1:40:53] >> If we could find them or
[1:40:55] >> Yes, so there are some some avenues if
[1:40:58] they're obviously if something is um
[1:41:01] unsafe, it can be condemned, but that's really what we're talking
[1:41:05] about. Um
[1:41:07] As far as building maintenance, yeah,
[1:41:09] there are um
[1:41:11] there are some code enforcement avenues
[1:41:14] that we can take if it kind of gets
[1:41:17] to a certain threshold, but it is
[1:41:20] um
[1:41:21] >> Did they come through the Planning
[1:41:22] Commission?
[1:41:22] >> Yeah, they they have a permit as
[1:41:25] to redevelop.
[1:41:26] >> Do they have a time clause
[1:41:28] when they must
[1:41:30] start?
[1:41:30] >> Okay.
[1:41:31] >> That's coming up.
[1:41:33] >> Okay. Or they'd have to bring it back.
[1:41:35] >> Yeah.
[1:41:35] >> If it's not
[1:41:36] it would expire. Okay.
[1:41:38] >> Even just a friendly request, can you
[1:41:39] please
[1:41:41] tape your paper up?
[1:41:43] It does
[1:41:44] Yeah.
[1:41:45] >> I would take a motion to adjourn if
[1:41:47] nobody has any other comments in the
[1:41:49] last 2 minutes.
[1:41:51] >> I so move.
[1:41:52] >> Second.
[1:41:53] >> All in favor?
[1:41:54] >> Aye.
[1:41:57] » Next meeting, are you going to circulate
[1:41:59] a wish list again?
[1:42:05] Can we get a copy of the agenda?
[1:42:08] Like if I want to put something on the
[1:42:10] agenda
[1:42:12] would I just contact you and then you
[1:42:14] could put it on?
[1:42:15] >> Yeah, if there's anything you
[1:42:16] specifically want on the agenda, um, let
[1:42:19] me know and and I can add that.
[1:42:22] >> Good.
[1:42:26] » Thank you.
[1:42:54] » Sure would be nice to see some
[1:42:56] action here.