1 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:56,709 Yeah. 2 00:00:56,719 --> 00:00:58,960 It's 5:00 p. am and we're at the Canyon 3 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:00,719 Community Center for the June 3rd 4 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:02,719 meeting of the Springdale Planning 5 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:05,600 Commission. From the T town, we have Tom 6 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,720 Dancy, Nile Connelly, and April Ratitz. 7 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,040 On the dis we have Matt Frink, Zion 8 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,360 National Park representative, Terry 9 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,400 Krishki, myself, Jennifer McCulla, Paul 10 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,960 Zimmerman, Koshbati, and Melissa Labour, 11 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:23,759 Rich Swanson, and Tom Kinston are not 12 00:01:23,759 --> 00:01:26,479 able to make it tonight. Melissa and 13 00:01:26,479 --> 00:01:29,040 Kosh, I'd like to ask you to vote. Thank 14 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,560 you. And is there a motion to approve 15 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,000 tonight's agenda? 16 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,439 >> I move we approve tonight's agenda. 17 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:38,640 >> Second. 18 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,520 >> Motion by Paul. Second by Terry. All in 19 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,320 favor? 20 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:43,200 >> Terry I. 21 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,159 >> Jennifer I. 22 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:45,040 >> Paul I. 23 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:45,759 >> Tash I. 24 00:01:45,759 --> 00:01:46,720 >> Melissa I. 25 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,520 >> Motion passes. Are there any general 26 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,310 announcements? 27 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,399 No announcements tonight. Any 28 00:01:56,399 --> 00:02:01,429 declarations of conflict of interest. 29 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:04,320 Okay. For tonight's agenda, we have one 30 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,000 action item, which is a public hearing. 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,560 Mr. Luke Wilson requests design 32 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,200 development review for the approval of 33 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,520 an expansion to the parking lot at 50 34 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Zion Park Boulevard. The staff contact 35 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,360 is Nyall Connelly. We will follow public 36 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,239 meeting rules of order and procedures. 37 00:02:24,239 --> 00:02:26,400 Please be sure to have signed into the 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,879 meeting on the form in the back if you 39 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,280 intend to speak. And please keep in mind 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,599 that each public comment is limited to 41 00:02:33,599 --> 00:02:36,400 three minutes. And we will start with an 42 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,800 intro from Nyall. 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,640 >> Thank you. 44 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:43,840 So as you indicated, uh we have a public 45 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,239 hearing. This item is a public hearing. 46 00:02:46,239 --> 00:02:48,879 Um Mr. Luke Wilson has applied for 47 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:51,599 design development review uh for an 48 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:54,480 expansion to his parking lot at 50 Zion 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,720 Park Boulevard. Uh this is a 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,360 retrospective application uh meaning 51 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,599 that the spaces have already been con 52 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:04,959 constructed and uh Mr. Wilson wishes to 53 00:03:04,959 --> 00:03:07,040 come into compliance now with the town's 54 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,879 ordinances. 55 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:13,360 Um the expansion involves 15 additional 56 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,760 spaces 57 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,680 um kind of as indicated there. Um 58 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,920 it also includes a landscape seating 59 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:25,280 area which is described on the plans as 60 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,360 a public lounge and landscape area. 61 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,120 Um the parking lot was originally 62 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,040 developed in 2016 and in that in the 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,080 time between then and now the town's 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,879 standards on parking lots have changed. 65 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:45,680 So there are some new standards that the 66 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,120 applicant needs to comply with. Um so 67 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,959 those include 68 00:03:50,959 --> 00:03:55,440 um integration with a commercial use. Um 69 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,280 there's some specific landscape 70 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,840 requirements that that apply. Um there's 71 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,080 also trash and recycling facilities 72 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,560 required and also restrooms. Um so the 73 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,239 commission should review the proposal to 74 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:14,319 uh make a determination on whether those 75 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:20,160 points have been um met or not. Um 76 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,440 the applicant proposes a a food truck or 77 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,600 coffee truck to satisfy the commercial 78 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,800 requirement. Um and there's some 79 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,800 discussion on the the other points 80 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,160 within the staff report as well. Um I'd 81 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,320 be happy to answer any questions from 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,560 the commission. 83 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,080 >> Um I believe in following um order of 84 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,800 public hearing um first if there's a 85 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,240 presentation from the applicant. 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,840 Would you like to Yeah, sure. 87 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:52,880 >> Yes. Yes. 88 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,240 >> And thank you for being here. I realize 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,960 this is not a normal meeting. So I'm 90 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,000 Luke Wilson. Um 91 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 I bought that parking lot about a year 92 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,320 ago from Janet Micah. Everybody knows 93 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,440 about about the parking lot already. Um, 94 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,840 when I bought it, I bought and I'm not 95 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,720 going to try to make a long story, but I bought the two homes across from my 96 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,000 other parking lot as well at the same 97 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,080 time. The two little homes across from 98 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,919 my coffee shop just down the road. And I 99 00:05:19,919 --> 00:05:21,360 graded and cleaned up the property 100 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,120 there, built rock walls and landscaped 101 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,639 it and fixed up those little homes. You 102 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:25,759 might know which ones I mean on the 103 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,919 corner of Hummingbird. And then I jumped 104 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:29,199 to this property. I did the same thing. 105 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:30,960 I graded and cleaned this up and I I 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,120 stayed outside of the 30% 107 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,680 Um, as I started doing and it and when I 108 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,440 was doing the homes, I was everyone was 109 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,320 thanking me and and I and so I didn't 110 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,280 think that um this would be as delicate 111 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,120 as it was. As I was grading this, Tom 112 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,960 kept and he said, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, 113 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,840 wait, wait, wait. You don't have this is 114 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:52,320 delicate." And so we he stopped me. We 115 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,199 stopped right then. he had me get about 116 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,120 uh you know engineering to the nth 117 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,759 degree about where the slope was the 30% 118 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:01,520 grading and put up a fence and all of 119 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:02,639 that's appropriate and I totally 120 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:04,240 understand why. So I have a grading 121 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,800 permit. I followed it to the inch uh 122 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,919 that's been approved. Um I built a rock 123 00:06:09,919 --> 00:06:13,680 wall around it and um 124 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,840 added those spaces. I didn't know about 125 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:17,280 the new rule with the bathroom and the 126 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,919 recycling and the business. I have the 127 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:22,960 other parking lot and I I I didn't know 128 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,639 about that rule at the time that I did 129 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:27,440 this. So, in my mind, it was it was out 130 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,280 of the 30% grading. It was um I had a 131 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,600 legal permit to grade. I I did talk to 132 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,360 Tom to be quite candid about doing more 133 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,039 landscaping in the back than I did. I 134 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:38,720 didn't think I could fit those spots. I 135 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:39,919 thought I'd get three or four or five, 136 00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:41,280 but it seemed like it worked to put them 137 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:43,199 up. And I I paved higher than I talked 138 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:45,840 to him about. And then then he he called 139 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:48,160 and said, "You know, this is this needs 140 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,919 attention." So then, so then for the 141 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:50,960 last few months, we've been kind of 142 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,400 trying to get on the on the schedule 143 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,360 here. Um, I have no intention of not 144 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,000 complying. As I understand, the three 145 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,000 things that that come to mind here are 146 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,319 the head-to-head parking. 147 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:05,280 In my mind, that isn't head-to-head 148 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:07,039 parking because there's about an 8ft 149 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:08,560 vertical difference between the lower 150 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,080 and the upper level, but we can call it 151 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,160 head-to-head parking. 152 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,560 um planters on the ends of any rows of 153 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,800 parking, 154 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,880 uh the bathroom, and then the uh the 155 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,240 commercial use. Um 156 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,720 not trying to rat out anyone, but across 157 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,160 the street 100 yards, there's 158 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,680 head-to-head parking in their entire 159 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,840 parking lot. As I understand, that rule 160 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,280 came about in '08. I looked up the code. 161 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,080 That parking lot was added 41 stalls in 162 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,080 2019 or 2020 per the geo per per the 163 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,360 county website that I could see as is on 164 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,759 the high resolution map. I don't have 165 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:49,680 any problem with it. I it's it's a very 166 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,280 good parking lots well used, but I know 167 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,479 they have head-to-head parking the 168 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:55,280 entire thing. Um there's countless 169 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:56,800 parking lots in town that don't have 170 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,560 planters on the ends, including right 171 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,879 here. And and I'm not again trying to 172 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:02,639 like throw that out. I'm not saying I 173 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:03,759 don't want to comply. I'm happy to 174 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:05,840 comply, but I see these little things 175 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,080 all over and and I could give you many 176 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,879 other examples in town of of this. U I 177 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:12,319 think those are easy things to deal 178 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:14,160 with. The landscaping, the head-to-head 179 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,400 parking, there's solutions to both of 180 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,199 those. Um I had I had talked about the 181 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:23,199 bathroom. Uh I didn't actually know 182 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:24,639 there was no sewer. The town doesn't 183 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:27,120 have sewer in the road there. 184 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,759 It's about 550 ft away in front of 185 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:33,200 subway and 8 feet higher than I am. And 186 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,560 that's probably why there's no sewer 187 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:38,080 because it's it's too high for for me to 188 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,320 use it. If you include the 12 12 and a 189 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,000 half ft of fall that it would take over 190 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,760 500 feet to make it legal sewer use, 191 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,519 it's like 22 feet of difference there. 192 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:46,800 It it wouldn't work. You'd have to go 193 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,360 through the landside, whatever. So, I 194 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,839 have no issue doing any other thing uh 195 00:08:51,839 --> 00:08:54,480 like a septic system or a sealed tank or 196 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,080 a self-contained bathroom that's 197 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,680 screened so no one can see it like they 198 00:08:57,680 --> 00:08:59,760 use in the park. Um I don't have any 199 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,440 problem with any of those, but I I 200 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,279 realized that until there is sewer in 201 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,440 the road, I can't just 202 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,880 build a bathroom and have because 203 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,200 there's no sewer. So, in my mind and 204 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,200 after talking to a few council members 205 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,320 about the sensitivity of sewer or 206 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,080 including a septic field in that 207 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,519 property, um it seemed the the most 208 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:22,959 logical to do kind of an upscale 209 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:24,480 self-contained unit. They're expensive 210 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,760 because you have to service them every 211 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,040 week and you have to have them cleaned 212 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,399 and you have to have them stocked and 213 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:30,240 you have to you have to build a screen 214 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,839 around it and stuff. It's not ideal, but 215 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:34,160 it it does meet the requirement as I 216 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,240 read the code. And then lastly, um, a 217 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,480 sewerless business, the businesses that 218 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,160 I could think of that would I feel like 219 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,440 work, um, would be either, uh, there's 220 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,800 no power there either, but ebikes, 221 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,360 um, or coffee. Everybody at my other 222 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,279 coffee shop is out the door, 20 people 223 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:54,480 deep. Everybody's trying to get their 224 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,160 coffee. And I thought surely enough 225 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,600 people would want some coffee that that a mobile, like an upscale nice 226 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,279 mobile coffee business there would work. 227 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,040 Again, no sewer. I can't hook into 228 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,240 anything. So, I'm trying to to provide 229 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,519 what isn't being provided 230 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:11,040 and still try to meet the ordinance. And 231 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,480 as I read the ordinance, I think both of 232 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,519 those things comply. Um, future 233 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:16,800 business, I would like to do some 234 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,720 ebikes. I've spoken with Kyla and Tai 235 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,279 Topam often about the nuances of ebikes 236 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:22,959 traveling through town at high speeds, 237 00:10:22,959 --> 00:10:24,240 not stopping at the crosswalks, 238 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,680 whatever. I think this is a great 239 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:26,880 location because it's right at the 240 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,720 entrance of the park that doesn't need 241 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,200 sewer either. and if I could I could do 242 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,399 something at the back of the parking lot 243 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,680 with a shade structure like my other 244 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:35,200 ebike business and have some bikes there 245 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,880 as well. But I have not proposed that on 246 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,880 this one for this for this meeting and 247 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,040 for this season which is now underway. 248 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,600 Um 249 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,959 I I think those things that I've 250 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:48,160 mentioned meet the ordinance. And so I I 251 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,519 would also like to point out a couple of 252 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:53,120 things that I did. I I I'm not trying to 253 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,079 cause an issue in in in in cleaning up 254 00:10:56,079 --> 00:10:58,560 this parking lot and and adding the 255 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:01,200 spaces in the back. I put in 2,000 256 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,399 square feet of sidewalk for the town, uh 257 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:07,279 400 lineal feet, 5t wide, a bridge over 258 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:09,279 the uh historic headgate that wasn't to 259 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:10,800 be touched or deconstructed. I 260 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,000 landscaped the planters off the SR9. I 261 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,519 don't need water on my parking lot, but 262 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:17,120 I pay for it because there's those 263 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,640 planters and I water them. And I pay the 264 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,000 bill to water those planters. I don't 265 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,519 know. I think that's my job. I'm not 266 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:23,040 sure, but I like how they look, so we do 267 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,680 that. Um, I'm trying to create a public 268 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:29,360 lounge above the very top right where 269 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,160 people can sit down, have lunch. I would 270 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,800 bolt down some aderondac chairs there. 271 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,560 Um, have some little tables and things 272 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:37,760 so they can't be blown around in the 273 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,000 wind. Put a safety railing up there. The 274 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,760 view is beautiful from there. And I feel 275 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,360 like they're they're currently on that 276 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,880 parking lot is nowhere for a family to 277 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,640 like sit down and eat their lunch or 278 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,720 their sandwich or or whatever. And I 279 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:49,680 thought that would be kind of a nice 280 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:51,120 thing that that they could do is maybe 281 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,040 as they're waiting to meet their friends 282 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,480 or whatever. So that's where it went. 283 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,800 That's how I got where I am today. And 284 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,079 um I understand the Nile sent me the 285 00:12:02,079 --> 00:12:03,279 email that shows the things that have 286 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:04,640 been added to the code that I don't 287 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,720 meet. And so I'm trying to meet them and 288 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,639 not trying to not be compliant. So does 289 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,800 anybody have any questions for me? 290 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,320 Yeah. So, at this time, planning 291 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,920 commission can ask questions to the 292 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:19,110 staff or the applicant. 293 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,000 » Um, I'll start with a question. 294 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,720 Something that didn't come up in this 295 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,600 report and perhaps hasn't been mentioned 296 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:33,920 to you. Um, there is an ordinance 10237. 297 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,240 Acute angle parking shall be designed 298 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,959 for one-way traffic only. 299 00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:41,360 So you have some acute angle parking at 300 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,680 the top that is not set up for one-way 301 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:47,120 traffic. 302 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,880 >> Um 303 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,680 so uh 304 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,800 would would you be I I mean what would 305 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,200 you think in terms of having to redesign 306 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,120 that in some way either? I 307 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,839 >> I would be happy to and and I'm I I I 308 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:05,040 read that as well. Um I'd be happy to. 309 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,200 That was me with a tape measure and my 310 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,120 painter and just this fits, this works, 311 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,480 whatever. I'm sure I could probably 312 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,720 reconfigure that to where it's not. Is 313 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,160 that a cute angle? Is that where they're 314 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,120 twisted? The top. 315 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,320 >> That's Yeah, that's where they're not 316 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,200 90°. 317 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:18,000 >> Yeah, I could. 318 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,320 >> So, you got four or five spaces there. 319 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,399 >> And I'm sure from from what I can see is 320 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:24,399 I could carry the 90° spaces a little 321 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:26,320 farther and maybe just stop at the acute 322 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,240 angle ones at the top or turn those 90 323 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,760 degrees and have them go the other way. 324 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:30,880 You know what I mean? 325 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,160 >> Facing up the hill, 326 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,959 >> right? But but yeah, I'm not 327 00:13:34,959 --> 00:13:36,639 >> there multiple options, but I think that 328 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:38,880 would be one of the requirements we had 329 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,800 which didn't come up in the 330 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,680 >> Yeah, and I and as I as when NA pointed 331 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:45,040 out some of the codes, I really dug into 332 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,720 those codes and I actually read that. 333 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,040 So, but I had already painted it. So, 334 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,200 anyway, 335 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,959 >> do you have the ability to to 336 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:56,959 continue the drive space out through I 337 00:13:56,959 --> 00:13:58,240 mean, obviously it would impact the 338 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,000 public lounge area, but you know, can it 339 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,360 go I don't know what the grade's like 340 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,360 right there. I could easily I mean the 341 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,760 grades might maybe 10 degrees and I 342 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,040 could probably circulate it back down 343 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,320 around. I think the town wouldn't like 344 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,600 that. It's a lot of it's a lot of 345 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,199 excavation and stuff and I and it would 346 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:13,120 do away with the public lounge area. 347 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,040 Really to me the only the only problem 348 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,079 is that um you know I I think the 349 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:19,920 easiest solution would be to say make 350 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,639 those spaces work 351 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:29,279 flip the angle on them or whatever or or again maybe two of them this way. 352 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:30,720 You know I don't know if that makes 353 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:31,519 sense. 354 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:34,560 >> I would just lose some spaces. 355 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,519 >> They could I believe 356 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:36,959 >> I would rather I would rather do that 357 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:39,680 than make a mess. 358 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,199 >> It could be reconfigured. 359 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:42,880 >> Yeah. Like you say, you might lose a 360 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,399 space or two in the process. 361 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:46,320 >> Yeah, I can do compact spaces there 362 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,800 actually and get 90 degrees. 363 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,800 >> I can do compact car only spaces and 364 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,160 there's plent most of the cars that park 365 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,320 there are compact. I even thought at the 366 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,399 bottom putting compact only beyond this 367 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:57,839 point, you know, to where it's easier to 368 00:14:57,839 --> 00:15:03,030 turn around for them. Yeah. 369 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,000 » Yeah. Um, and just, you know, especially 370 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,519 those angled ones would have to back 371 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:10,560 quite a ways back down to get to be able 372 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:11,920 to go forward again. So, it would be 373 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,760 good to have them be able to, 374 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,160 >> you know, right there and not 375 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,880 >> another solution, not not to like talk 376 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,040 through this too much. I could just do 377 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,639 parallel. 378 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:24,160 >> Do you know what I mean? Like they have 379 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,920 at the entrance of the park 380 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,279 >> where it's not 45, it's actually 381 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:33,030 use 382 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Street parking would be. 383 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,120 >> Yeah, like street parking. That would 384 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,079 >> Yeah, there's lots of ways that I 385 00:15:36,079 --> 00:15:36,800 >> There's options. Yeah. 386 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,120 >> Yeah. 387 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,360 >> I have a question um probably for the 388 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,639 staff and um for you. Um is my 389 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:49,360 understanding is is renting out the 390 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,079 space to a coffee van or is it in 391 00:15:52,079 --> 00:15:53,920 associated with your coffee business at 392 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,040 all or your plan is to rent the space 393 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,040 for some to someone else? 394 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,199 >> Yes, I would be I would be 395 00:16:03,199 --> 00:16:05,759 owning that. 396 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:08,160 >> Okay. So, there would be a business 397 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,959 there, but it's not your 398 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:11,920 >> It is mine. 399 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:12,639 >> Oh, okay. 400 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:15,360 >> Yeah. I Yeah, I have an operator for it. 401 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,560 It's somebody that's worked one of my 402 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,800 other coffee stations that would run it 403 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,320 and I would just set up 404 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:20,720 >> Okay. 405 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:21,839 >> I don't know if you guys have seen like 406 00:16:21,839 --> 00:16:24,079 in Hurricane Grit and Grind coffee. It's 407 00:16:24,079 --> 00:16:25,279 nice black trailer. Everybody loves 408 00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:26,800 their coffee. Something really clean 409 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,040 that looks nice like that. methods and I 410 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,360 would actually probably pay for about 30 411 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,959 grand I can pop power under the road 412 00:16:32,959 --> 00:16:34,399 there's a big transformer across the 413 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:35,920 street so there's not a generator 414 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,079 required or anything you know so there's 415 00:16:38,079 --> 00:16:39,680 power there's no sewer but there is 416 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,079 power that they could operate quietly 417 00:16:42,079 --> 00:16:45,440 >> okay thank you I was asking um in terms 418 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,519 of stability of a business staying is 419 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:48,480 what I was asking 420 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,560 >> yeah 421 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,720 um to to leak a little bit um Tom and 422 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,480 Nile heard me say this in a couple of 423 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,480 meetings that we had 424 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,720 I don't want a trailer there. I would 425 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,759 rather have a nice well-designed 426 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:07,039 small kiosk, maybe two stalls like my 427 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:08,880 other coffee shop. It's that only takes 428 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,319 two or three stalls and it does very 429 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:11,839 well 430 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:13,760 for the season for now. For what we're 431 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,720 up against right now, I don't want to 432 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,640 slap something architecturally together 433 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,319 and stick it up there. I thought if we 434 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,000 had a nice mobile coffee business for 435 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,360 now, that would work. And then in the 436 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:25,520 offseason, I plan to do more. I just 437 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,640 don't have it well thought out. 438 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,480 I have to hunt down a guy named Bert 439 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,720 Cartwright to help me with that and he's 440 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,760 unavailable right now. So, 441 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,360 >> but yeah, my long-term plan wouldn't be 442 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,120 to even keep that, but I would own it. 443 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:43,350 Yeah. 444 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,840 » Come back another time for that. Yeah, 445 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,430 >> sure. 446 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,080 How high you mentioned uh the the 447 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,039 head-to-head parking wall, so to speak. 448 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:57,760 >> It fades. It goes from like four feet to 449 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,280 about nine. 450 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,000 >> Okay. 451 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,360 >> At the on the high side, it's about 452 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:02,960 nine. And on the low side, it's about 453 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,350 four. 454 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:08,080 And And 455 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,200 >> then you're going to have a 42 inch 456 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,720 guard rail above that. 457 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,440 >> Yeah. 42inch guardrail. 458 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,710 Yep. 459 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,400 And again, if we if need be, I could 460 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,640 flip the spaces to the back. I don't 461 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,480 like that as well, backing up towards a 462 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,960 railing and the and the wall. It's not 463 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,320 really a safety issue, but I just think 464 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,360 it's better as it is, but if need be, 465 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:30,880 uh, even in Nell's report, it says they 466 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,400 could be flipped to accommodate a mo 467 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,840 strip. However, it wouldn't need a mo 468 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,039 strip because it would no longer be 469 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:36,880 headto head. Do you know what I mean? I 470 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,360 would just flip them to the back. 471 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:41,360 Uh, in the end, the town gets the same 472 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,559 thing. There are cars parked there. 473 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:46,480 If they allow me to consider that wall, 474 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:47,919 and the code doesn't read horizontally 475 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:49,120 or vertically, but if they allow me to 476 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,039 green up that wall, like a green green 477 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:52,720 wall that's watered well with hanging 478 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,559 vines and plants and something pretty, 479 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:55,520 you're not going to be able to tell if 480 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:56,559 the cars are on the front or the back, 481 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:58,480 but from the town's pers perspective, if 482 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,240 they allow it to stay as it is, that 483 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,640 wall would be very pretty, I think. You 484 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,990 know what I mean? 485 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,520 But I think either way that that that 486 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,000 issue can go away 487 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,799 one way or the other. 488 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:18,320 So, on the drawing in your proposal, um 489 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,400 there's a small um area in the middle 490 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,160 that looks like it's uh going to be 491 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,559 landscaped. 492 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:29,520 >> Yeah. Yeah. 493 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,559 On the bottom. 494 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:33,360 Yes. That 495 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:34,799 >> right right up there in that little 496 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:36,000 circle right above the pointer. 497 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,720 >> Yes. 80 square feet minimum. Two three 498 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,120 plants, one tree. 499 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:42,559 >> That would be one end. 500 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,039 >> Uhhuh. one end of the additional space 501 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,440 up at the top. There's that whole lounge 502 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,400 area would be 503 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,200 >> would be the other end. 504 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:58,310 >> Yeah, would be the other end. 505 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,760 And I didn't finish that because we kind 506 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,919 of got to the point where they said, 507 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:06,080 "Hey, stop. We need to we need to work." 508 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:06,960 >> I think it's better to 509 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,280 >> So I don't even think I finished my rock 510 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,440 wall at the very top. I haven't clear. 511 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,360 Anyway, 512 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:22,150 yeah. 513 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,600 Are there other questions from the 514 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,320 planning commission to either Mr. Wilson 515 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:36,070 or the staff 516 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,720 and I think you mentioned about the 517 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,480 drainage, 518 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:47,110 correct? Can Yeah. 519 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:50,080 » Okay. At this time, um, is there a 520 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,960 motion to open public hearing? 521 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,080 >> Move that we open the public hearing. 522 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,440 >> Second. 523 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,919 >> Motion by Paul, second by Terry. All in 524 00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:00,640 favor? 525 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,440 >> Terry? I. 526 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,400 >> Jennifer I. 527 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,760 >> Paul. I. Hash. 528 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,120 >> I. I. 529 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,120 >> Motion passes. 530 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,600 Uh, is there any public comments at this 531 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:17,350 time? 532 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,720 Hi, guilt keepfir 533 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,520 um wasn't sure quite how to approach 534 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,720 this but um 535 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,559 I also am building already have built a 536 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,600 parking lot and I want to uh get 537 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,159 approval tonight for putting ebikes in a 538 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:39,039 coffee shop on it. So, if you can also 539 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:43,120 consider that with uh tonight's agenda. 540 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,960 Um I'm kidding, but 541 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,000 that's where we're at here. Um the the 542 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,440 parking lot, as I understand it, is has 543 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,679 grown without a permit to even start on 544 00:21:59,679 --> 00:22:03,520 the project. Um were the retaining walls 545 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,520 even engineered 546 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,720 uh and approved? Um he now uh Luke now 547 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,280 wants to put coffee in ebikes on an 548 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,799 expanded um park in a parking lot. Um 549 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,679 that's kind of how his last project 550 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:24,080 went. 551 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,960 Um the parking lot 552 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,080 um started uh the one with Canyon 553 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,919 Coffee. I don't know how long you've 554 00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:35,039 been on the board, but Rick Rio about 555 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:38,000 seven years ago was on the board and he 556 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,400 was constantly complaining to me about 557 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,320 how this whole parking lot um across 558 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,919 from 559 00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:50,159 uh well it it's the Canyon Coffee basic 560 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:54,720 um u location at this point. 561 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,679 And basically Luke applied for uh 562 00:22:57,679 --> 00:22:59,360 putting a parking lot in there. He built 563 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,640 the parking lot, said then, and this is 564 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:08,400 all hearsay, so I I'm sure I will be corrected. Then he applied to 565 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,360 have a kiosk put in. The kiosk then 566 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,600 turned into a coffee shop. And while 567 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,039 you're selling coffee, you might as well 568 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,559 sell some t-shirts. Okay. So now, if you 569 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,280 got that much inventory that needs to be 570 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,360 stored, you need to build a little shed 571 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,440 on the back of the property. that 572 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760 property now or that part that little 573 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,360 shed now has turned into an ebike rental 574 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,720 uh location. So then on the front of the 575 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,280 property, he then thought, well, I need 576 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,679 to serve some food. 577 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:42,799 Now, the parking lot that he originally 578 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:46,559 uh wanted to build is about a half the 579 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,200 size of the original parking lot, which 580 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,760 we actually need in town, but now it's 581 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,840 about half that size. and the building 582 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,840 that he put on that on that lot or it it 583 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,080 it's closer than what's normally 584 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,440 allowed. He needed a variance to get um 585 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,600 that building built because it's too 586 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,840 close to the road. So, this is it's it's 587 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,559 all following a very familiar pl uh 588 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:18,640 plan. Um so, I'm sorry. I'm sorry I'm 589 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,440 nervous. I don't like talking bad about 590 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,559 people, but this is um this is the way 591 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,080 uh Luke Wilson does business. He will uh 592 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,279 do something that is not appropriate and 593 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:38,960 then continue to push until somebody finally stops him. When is this 594 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,880 going to stop? Thank you. 595 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,840 >> Thank you. Are there any other comments 596 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,960 from 597 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,039 >> Yeah, just a moment. Yeah. 598 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:51,279 Um, we'll just make sure that there's no 599 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:54,159 other public comments before we close uh 600 00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:56,960 public hearing. 601 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,720 And so if that's the end of 602 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,880 >> I move to close the public hearing. 603 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,600 >> Second. 604 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,000 >> Motion by Paul, second by Terry. All in 605 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,200 favor? 606 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:05,679 >> I. 607 00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:06,559 >> Jennifer I. 608 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:10,470 >> All I. 609 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,760 » Motion passes. And at this time the 610 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,000 applicant can respond. 611 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,360 Thank you. 612 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,039 >> Yeah. Luke Wilson, I appreciate you 613 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,039 being open and honest about how you feel 614 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,760 about it. Um, 615 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,760 uh, to be very candid, I would love it 616 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,799 if, uh, I didn't have to put a I don't 617 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,200 want to put anything on this. I don't 618 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,440 want to put any businesses on this. I 619 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,200 told that to Tom and Nile. I'm trying to 620 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,200 meet their requirements. I think the 621 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,520 town um, I was urged um, when I built my 622 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,679 other parking lot, I was urged to put 623 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:45,440 something that screened the parking in 624 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,720 front of it. I don't think anybody likes 625 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,400 to stare at big black parking lots and 626 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,039 so having something in the front that 627 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,600 but but yeah all of that was approved it 628 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,919 was legal. It was applied for and I know 629 00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:57,760 there's a lot of hearsay but you know I 630 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,640 could ask u you know you mentioned about 631 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,520 the wall if it's engineered I mean you 632 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,440 could ask Tom is there a Rosenberg 633 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,120 letter that talked about all of that the 634 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,480 inspection and the height and everything 635 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,960 of that wall and the grading permit? 636 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,360 Yeah that's legal. Um, is the grading 637 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,240 per design? 638 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,159 >> Yeah, the grading permit was approved. 639 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:24,400 >> Yeah, I even paid a fine for it just because it it seemed like it was 640 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,000 while it was being sorted out a little 641 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,520 aggressive and I agreed to pay a fine 642 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520 for it, but the engineers have said 643 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,919 everything there is per per code, per 644 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:35,200 everything. So, I I I don't mind at all 645 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,000 being called out on any of it. Candidly, 646 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,520 I don't want to put a bathroom or a 647 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,320 business or anything on the parking lot. 648 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,480 parking lots are a lot easier to operate 649 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,159 than coffee businesses. So, um I do feel 650 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,720 like they're a nice addition to I think 651 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,279 the the code I didn't come up with it, 652 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,840 but the code prescribes a complimentary 653 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,679 business to the use which is a parking 654 00:26:57,679 --> 00:26:59,760 lot and I think people would appreciate 655 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,240 coffee or ebikes or whatever it is. But 656 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,880 if any of that's bad or illegal, you 657 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,240 know, no one ever said that to me. But I 658 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,919 did approve and and go through all of 659 00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:09,279 the motions to get all of those other 660 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,279 buildings and businesses approved over 661 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:12,880 many years on the other location as 662 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,520 well. So setbacks, heights, everything. 663 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,919 So anyway, if anybody has any questions 664 00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:20,320 about it, I'd be happy to talk, but I 665 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240 would preferably not have to do any of 666 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,120 this, but uh I I will to meet the code 667 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,360 to become compliant. 668 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,480 >> Thank you. U planning commission may go 669 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:40,470 into deliberation. 670 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:46,080 start here. Um, so there's several things I think that need 671 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,440 to be modified for this plan to meet the 672 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,200 code. Um, there's the acute angle 673 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:58,320 parking spaces. Um, there's the, uh, 674 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,840 there's the landscaping. Um, I'd like to 675 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,279 see a little we'd like to see a little 676 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,720 more detail and some numbers on um the 677 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,640 fact that the landscaping um meets the 678 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,880 requirements. Um, and given the angles 679 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,679 and positions of the parking lot, maybe 680 00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:20,480 positioning might be a little bit adjust 681 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,320 from my perspective might be able to be 682 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,399 adjusted, but I would still like to see 683 00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:28,720 that uh in part because of um, you know, 684 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,240 10239B, 685 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,200 which talks about um um, heat islands. 686 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,600 And if you look at this, all of the 687 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,600 asphalt is sort of all around and 688 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,840 planting is around the outside. There's 689 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,000 a very small space in the middle. So, 690 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,760 I'm a little concerned about whether 691 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,840 this really meets the heat islands 692 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,799 issue. Um, 693 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:58,480 and then as the as the uh as the um um 694 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,559 writeup indicated, there's uh 695 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,279 landscaping at the end of both aisles 696 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,919 and then the 4 foot wide, it does say 4 697 00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:09,679 foot wide space between. Um, on the 698 00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:11,520 other hand, I have been up and looked at 699 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,120 the parking lot and I and I agree with 700 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,960 the applicant that there's a significant 701 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,120 vertical difference. Um, so my personal 702 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200 feeling is that 703 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,880 we might be able to say there's a 704 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,880 certain flexibility in where that 705 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,600 landscaping goes. Um, but there should 706 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,279 be landscaping to deal with, you know, 707 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,760 to reduce the heat island effect and to 708 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,679 have some additional green that area. 709 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:41,279 Um and then um and then of course 710 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,360 there's the restroom and the the trash 711 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,950 and recycling. 712 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,559 So I'm a little of a mind to um deny and 713 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,240 request that the applicant come back 714 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,720 with a more detailed plan that takes 715 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,480 care of these things and we can see it 716 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,480 in the drawing. But I'll open up to 717 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:09,029 other thoughts on that. 718 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:11,679 So the modified plans that you would be 719 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:15,279 referring to would be repainting the 720 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:16,960 lines and 721 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,320 >> Yeah. So that would be a a redesign of 722 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,440 the acute angle parking. Um, it would 723 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,559 also include more information 724 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,039 about the landscaping and the amount of 725 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,279 square footage landscaping and and an 726 00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:34,240 indication of of that the required 727 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960 amount of landscaping has been placed 728 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,200 even if it's slightly out of, you know, 729 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,039 not necessarily in exactly the position 730 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,240 required by the ordinances. 731 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,360 Um, and then an indication of where the 732 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,919 recycling and trash are going to go. um 733 00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:51,679 and maybe a little more information 734 00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:55,200 about the restroom um that would be 735 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,840 placed so that we can understand you 736 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,000 know is it a big blue port of body or is 737 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,919 it you know I'm assuming it's not I'm 738 00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:03,840 assuming it'll be some of the 739 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,399 >> screen 740 00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:06,320 >> yeah you know and so a little 741 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,360 information about the screening so to me 742 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,760 I would like to see more information to 743 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,520 do approval 744 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,039 >> yeah I think that's a reasonable thing 745 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,240 to do I had a question also and you know 746 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,640 there's there's a photo at the top of 747 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,520 the staff report and then there's this 748 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,240 diagram that show where the mobile 749 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,799 business is going to go. Um they're 750 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,399 different. This one looks larger than 751 00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:32,159 the other. The the photo is a much 752 00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:34,240 smaller space. It appears to be because 753 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,200 the striping uh comes to an acute point 754 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,799 at the end as opposed to the separation 755 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,519 there. So my question is is there room 756 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,279 enough in that location for a coffee 757 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,360 business? Um and so that's that I think 758 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,960 you know you could 759 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:58,320 >> we could add to that list. Um the other consideration is that um if 760 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,600 you have a mobile business there or or a 761 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,360 permanent business down the road, the 762 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,200 mobile business requires two dedicated 763 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,880 parking spaces that would not be 764 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600 rentable for for daily parking or 765 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,679 whatever. And so that would have to be I 766 00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:13,760 would want to see that mapped off or how 767 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,480 you're going to handle that. Um I think 768 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,960 you one of the questions I had was um 769 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,480 you know if if if it were our decision 770 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,799 to allow a mobile business there given 771 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,960 that the mobile business is limited 772 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760 three hours of operation on a day on a 773 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640 daily basis. Um that introduces some 774 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,519 interesting questions. But the other the 775 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,880 other question I had was if if you had 776 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,120 to take the time or go through the 777 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,559 process of uh acquiring a tenant to 778 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,760 operate that business. Um does the town 779 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,240 allow the operation of the parking lot 780 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,320 in the absence of an operating business 781 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,480 on that lot? But if the intent is that 782 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,320 that's a 783 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,960 you know you you own the business um 784 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,919 maybe that's less of a consideration but 785 00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:06,240 something that we need to think address 786 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,110 as well 787 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,360 on the topic of the head-to-head parking 788 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,720 is there any anything defining about 789 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,279 what that entails because then I went 790 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,480 and looked at it too and I wouldn't have 791 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,799 considered that head-to-head parking 792 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:30,000 because of the the distance and height. 793 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,240 So, 794 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,640 >> I don't know is could it possibly not 795 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,120 even be defined as head-to-head parking? 796 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,919 >> Well, yeah. You wonder, you know, it's 797 00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:42,480 head to overhead parking to some 798 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,679 >> because that's where the landscaping 799 00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:45,600 piece comes, right? I think Terry's got 800 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,000 probably a decent solution to that in my mind and that is that you know if 801 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,320 we if the reason for having head parking 802 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,640 is to reduce the heat heat island effect 803 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,159 and have landscaping in there and we 804 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:57,600 move the landscaping a little bit down 805 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,240 the way or some other place and and 806 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,640 reduce that you know eliminate that 807 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,720 problem in that fashion that might be a 808 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,799 >> right viable 809 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,800 >> because of the vertical elevation of the 810 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,320 vertical that yeah 811 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,320 >> you normally wouldn't want to do that if 812 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,320 you had space in a normal parking that 813 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,159 was on the same level, but in this case, 814 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,040 you might be able to and and 815 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,399 uh landscape the wall at the same time. 816 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:24,560 And then 817 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,320 when it comes to the portable 818 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560 restroom, 819 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,399 um 820 00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:35,839 are you wanting to see dimensions and 821 00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:37,679 under have a better understanding of 822 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,480 what constitutes the size? 823 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,000 >> I'd like to understand 824 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480 um well, for example, when when we get 825 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,399 lighting plans, it often includes 826 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,240 pictures of the lighting fixtures. 827 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:50,800 Right. 828 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,879 >> Right. So, I'd like to have an 829 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,800 indication. Okay, this is the portable 830 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,879 restroom we're putting in. Here's what 831 00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:59,280 it's going to look like. And then the 832 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,720 screening material is going to be let's 833 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,680 perhaps it's rust rusted metal or some 834 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,599 other material. We'd like to know what 835 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,240 that material is going to be. Um, and 836 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:14,960 what color it's going to be. Uh, 837 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,920 >> is it called out? 838 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,440 >> It says metal. 839 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,839 >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, it's called out as 840 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:24,720 metal screening. Um I'd like to know 841 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,359 that it's for example that it's rusted 842 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,680 because that's meets the requirements. 843 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,119 Um question might be is it like a flat 844 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,200 metal or you know you see some fences 845 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,599 around that are a corrugated. 846 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,240 Um, I think there's options, but I think 847 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,520 in terms of of approving a design 848 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,000 development review, I'd like to see we 849 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,560 usually see those kinds of things in um, 850 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,320 you know, pictures of this is what the 851 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,680 external materials are going to look 852 00:35:51,680 --> 00:36:09,430 like. 853 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,359 I understand those concerns. Sorry, my 854 00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:14,880 mind just keeps going to um 855 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,599 the potential conditions 856 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,920 we can list and uh 857 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,920 if any of these would fit into that 858 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,599 rather than a a reubmission that the 859 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,599 picture thing, 860 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,599 >> you know, made sense to me. But at the 861 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,079 same time, 862 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,400 if the materials comply with the town's 863 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,359 standards, 864 00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:42,000 >> um 865 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,880 I I could see us potentially going 866 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,240 either way. Approval with a significant 867 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,440 number of conditions, right, 868 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,880 >> or denial and a request to come back. 869 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,960 >> Um I think the advantage of denial and 870 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,880 request to come back is that we could 871 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,040 see those things. 872 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,000 um the state of conditions would be then 873 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,400 the staff would confirm and I think you 874 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,920 know we can also trust the staff to 875 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640 confirm well too. So 876 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,480 my personal preference right now is is 877 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,160 to deny because I would like to see the 878 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,200 whole picture but I'm like to hear other 879 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,040 people in this 880 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,480 >> the question that I would have in that 881 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,280 regard is rather as an alternative 882 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,520 denial can we table it and give the 883 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,560 applicant time to submit a a model. So 884 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,200 just just procedurally uh you would 885 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,680 table a decision and request that 886 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,359 information if you wanted to see it 887 00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:34,880 again rather than deny the 888 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,079 >> that way we wouldn't have to incur 889 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,520 additional fees or anything like that. 890 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:37,839 Right. 891 00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:38,640 >> Yeah. Exactly. 892 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,000 >> Okay. 893 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,880 Yeah. That 894 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,520 >> I would rather do 895 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,510 >> I like that better than a resubmission. 896 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,710 Uh 897 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,680 I would say um part of that regarding 898 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,550 the trash and recycling receptacles 899 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,200 if there you know just what that 900 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:01,760 >> well 901 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,560 >> that will be 902 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,920 >> they could be play you know we could see 903 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,640 where to be 904 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,599 >> exactly 905 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:06,320 >> that would be one of the 906 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,240 >> and what the enclosure 907 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:19,270 >> is and all that 908 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,119 » my other parking lot. 909 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:22,320 >> Did you come up to the 910 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,280 >> Yeah, thank you. 911 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,440 >> We produce a lot of trash at this 912 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,359 parking lot. 913 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:29,040 I think over the years Janet just had a 914 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,320 little can receives diapers and socks or 915 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,599 whatever. Just um 916 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,480 is there a size requirement for that? I 917 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:39,599 don't have like something that's 918 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:41,680 producing a ton of trash. Like right now 919 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,359 I don't have a a trash can at all. I 920 00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:45,520 pick up trash twice a week and it's just 921 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,880 a little baggie. 922 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,079 Just a receptacle like a large trash can 923 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,000 that's screened. 924 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:54,640 >> Do I have to? 925 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,040 >> No, there's not a size requirement. 926 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,320 >> I didn't read that it had to be a 927 00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,359 dumpster, 928 00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:00,880 >> right? No, it does not have No, in fact, 929 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,400 >> just a just a trash facility and a 930 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,680 recycling facility. That's what I 931 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,200 thought. And I can see that if as a 932 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,640 business I need a bigger dumpster, then 933 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,720 I get one. But I I couldn't see in the 934 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,560 code that it said it just said 935 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,599 receptacle. 936 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:12,560 >> Right. 937 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,079 >> So here here's the exact verbiage from 938 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,320 the code. So it says the owner of a 939 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,240 public parking area must provide trash 940 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,119 and recycling recepticles. 941 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,920 >> The parking lot owner or operator must 942 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,560 keep the trash and recycle recycling 943 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,240 receptacles clean and emptied. 944 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,240 >> Thank you. That's what I was hoping for. 945 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,839 >> And it doesn't need to be screened or 946 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:37,680 anything, right? Just provide the 947 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,119 Yeah. 948 00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:40,560 >> Okay. 949 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,680 >> Put them next to the um coffee place. 950 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:44,640 It's where you're going to get the most 951 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,920 trash probably. 952 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:46,800 >> What's that? 953 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,160 >> I guess you could put them next to the 954 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,280 uh the coffee. Um and I would suggest 955 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,720 the lounge area. People are going to be 956 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,000 picnicking there. You need to have 957 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,280 something over that end as well because 958 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:12,150 you're sort of inviting trash. 959 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,200 We ready? 960 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,040 >> I think so. Yeah. 961 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,040 >> Okay. So, um I assume then I I'll 962 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920 replace approves denies with table and 963 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,640 otherwise proceed, right? 964 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,160 Okay. 965 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,190 Um 966 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,520 so I I think 967 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,400 um Um 968 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,400 yeah, 969 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,920 so the uh planning commission um wishes 970 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,320 to table the design development review 971 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,720 application for an expansion of the 972 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,640 public parking lot at 50 Zion Park 973 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,960 Boulevard as discussed in the planning 974 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,400 commission meeting dated June 3rd, 2026. 975 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,760 It's based on the following findings. Um 976 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,560 the acute angle spaces require oneway 977 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,160 traffic per lane or oneway traffic lane 978 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:09,599 per the town code 10237E and 10237F. 979 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,119 So this section will have to be 980 00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,040 reconfigured. 981 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,720 Um the additional landscape uh uh 982 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,640 landscaping within the asphalt area um 983 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,680 will need to be sized to meet the 984 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,720 requirements of the landscaping. um but 985 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,520 does have the flexibility to not be in 986 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,839 exactly the the same positions because 987 00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:34,800 of the configuration of the of the lot. 988 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,760 Um and this uh refers to town code 989 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:43,119 10186C and 10239B. 990 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,880 Um 991 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,240 the uh self-contained restroom 992 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,520 uh needs to meet the town code um and is 993 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,920 also to be screened. Um, and we would 994 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,839 like to see the screening material. Uh, 995 00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:00,720 what that will be. Um, the applicant 996 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,440 will also provide trash and recycling 997 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,440 recepticles on the property and we'd 998 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,119 like to see them noted as to where they 999 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,640 will be. Um, 1000 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,839 let's see. And then we would like uh 1001 00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:18,160 more in Okay. More detail on the mobile 1002 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,880 business uh space dedications. That was 1003 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,400 what you were asking about, Paul. Right. 1004 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,800 Yeah. 1005 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,440 >> How much what spaces and how much space? 1006 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,160 >> How much space? 1007 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,599 and how many parking 1008 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:32,390 spaces and where? 1009 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,760 » That's my motion. 1010 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,920 >> And 1011 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,680 I would suggest a modification to 1012 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,280 include a surface water drainage 1013 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,640 strategy. 1014 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,119 >> Yes, the drainage strategy for approval 1015 00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,480 Springdale within two months of the date 1016 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,280 of this approval. 1017 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,359 >> Right. There there will be surface and 1018 00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:50,720 add to that the surface uh water 1019 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,560 drainage strategy and plan will be 1020 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,119 submitted to the town 1021 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:59,200 for approval by in town engineer. 1022 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,760 Thank you. I forgot that one. And then 1023 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,000 the the only uh other thing would be the 1024 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,589 um 1025 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,480 vertical landscaping of the wall that 1026 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,040 was offered. Um do we want to require 1027 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,040 one? Okay. So also also a de 1028 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,359 a um drawings expect and and materials 1029 00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:27,200 plant materials being used for the 1030 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,750 vertical landscaping of the wall. 1031 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,760 » Second 1032 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,400 >> motion by Terry, second by Paul. All in 1033 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,920 favor? 1034 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,640 >> Terry I. 1035 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,760 >> Jennifer I. 1036 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,240 >> Paul I. 1037 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,000 Kosh I 1038 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,359 >> motion passes. 1039 00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:47,920 >> Thank you. 1040 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,560 >> We'll see you again. 1041 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:54,400 >> Thank you. 1042 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,800 >> Item B on the agenda, the consent 1043 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,520 agenda, approval of minutes from March 1044 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,560 18th, April 1st, April 15th, and May 1045 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,440 6th. Are there any suggested changes or 1046 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,640 a motion for approval? If there's no 1047 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,240 changes suggested, I move that we 1048 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,240 approve the consent agenda. Uh 1049 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,280 >> I will second. 1050 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,839 >> Motion by Paul, second by Terry. All in 1051 00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:16,720 favor? 1052 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:17,520 >> Terry I. 1053 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,480 >> Jennifer I. 1054 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,280 >> Paul I. 1055 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,000 >> Hash I. 1056 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,440 >> Melissa I. 1057 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,800 >> Motion passes. 1058 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,400 >> I move that we adjourn. 1059 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,520 I have a second. 1060 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,000 >> Motion by Paul, second by Terry. All in 1061 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:30,560 favor? 1062 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,280 >> Terry I. 1063 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,400 >> Jennifer I. 1064 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,599 >> Paul I. Ash. 1065 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:35,280 >> I. 1066 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,400 >> Meeting is adjourned.