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Kindle, are you ready?

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Okay. Welcome to the Springdale Town

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Council regular meeting. Today is

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Wednesday, June 10th, 2026.

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It's 5:01 p.m. and we're at the

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Springdale Canyon Community Center. With

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us from the town, we have Chief Brek. We

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have Joe Barker, who's new to these

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meetings and he's going to love them. We

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have Nile Connolly, Tom Dansey, Kindle

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Sagers, and we have Ryan Gubler. On the

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dais from Council, we have Pat Campbell,

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Randy Aiton, me, Barbara Bruno, Jack

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Burns, and Kyla Topham.

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And I will start with the Pledge of

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Allegiance, if you'll join me.

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» I pledge

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allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America,

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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» Could I get a motion to approve the

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regular meeting agenda?

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» I move we approve the regular meeting

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agenda.

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>> I'll second it.

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>> Got a motion by Randy and a second by

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Jack um I'm sorry, Pat.

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>> Randy, yeah.

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>> Barbara, I.

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>> Jack, I.

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>> Kyla, I.

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>> Hey.

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First item on the agenda is general

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announcements. Do we have any from the

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town?

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» Thank you. So, first most important

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announcement, I didn't get permission to

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share this one, but uh I'd like to recognize Tom Dancy. He

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became a grandfather today.

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>> Aw.

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>> He did.

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>> [applause and cheering]

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» Congrats to him. I'm probably

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>> Gray. I thought grandpas had gray.

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>> It's coming.

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>> So, I'm going to get in trouble later

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for announcing that, but that's okay.

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>> or a girl?

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>> It's a boy.

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>> And where does he live? Is he down here?

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>> He lives in Colorado.

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>> Oh, for now.

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>> Okay. Okay.

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Yeah.

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for a lot of reasons.

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>> Okay. Um so, we have a trails open house

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that's actually going on right now in

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the gallery. Um this isn't uh it's been

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put on by Bike Utah. We've entered into

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an agreement with them to do some trails

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community outreach. So, this is their

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first big push for some public

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engagement. Um there will be more in the

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coming weeks via surveys and site visits

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and uh community um

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stakeholder interviews. So,

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we just encourage people to participate

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with that so we can get as much feedback

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as possible.

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Uh as part of the America 250 program

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uh celebration, the community center

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will be holding a lecture titled Painted

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Canyons, the story of the Utah Parks

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Company. It will be It will be put on by

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Professor Ryan D. Paul from the SUU

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Department of History, Sociology, and

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Anthropology.

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That will be on Thursday, July 2nd at

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6:00 p.m.

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And that is free for anyone to attend.

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It focuses on uh the Utah Parks Company

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and the impact it had right here in in

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Zion Canyon. So, it should be really

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good.

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Um and then last, this isn't necessarily

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a town

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uh event, but there is it's worth noting

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the uh

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July 4th parade will be on Saturday,

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July 4th at 9:00 a.m. Prior to that will

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be the pancake breakfast, I believe, at

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7:30.

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>> 7:30?

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and then Mayor, you you

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there's a flag raising as well at 7:00.

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>> Yeah, in honor of the America's 250, we

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are have We, we Lions Club, are having a

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flag raising ceremony around 7:00 a.m.

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And it'll be the local fire department

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as well as I think at least one or two

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of our police officers. And we're hoping

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to have a local musical performance as

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I I have heard it's it's firm. Okay.

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At the school? The elementary Just the

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usual pancake breakfast. We'll just do

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it all right there.

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>> Okay, that's all.

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>> Any other announcements? Council town?

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Then we'll go into the second agenda

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item, which is the voluntary

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acknowledgement. So, also in conjunction

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with the America 250, the Lieutenant

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Governor of the state of Utah

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offered to let us recognize some of our

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residents who do a lot for the

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community. And we want to honor four of

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them tonight. We expect to do a few more

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of these through the end of the year

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since it's a whole year of America 250.

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But um these are people who have

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helped with everything. I mean, these

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are people that every time we have a

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call for volunteers, they step up, they

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do what's required, they work hard, and

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they always go above and beyond. So, if

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I could get Sherry Icard, Regina Pegels,

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Jim Passic, and Lisa Saab to come up to

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the front of the room, I'll give you

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your certificates.

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» Oh, sure.

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» Michelle, you got a ticket?

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» That might be the funnest thing on our

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agenda tonight. Okay. Oh, oh, sorry,

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Jeff.

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>> Well, forget Superintendent Brady about

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to give us a really fun update on Zion

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National Park.

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» Good afternoon.

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As you know, we'll start out with the visitation report for May this year.

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» Sorry today.

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>> Yeah, that's great. Uh visitation report

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for May. Um

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was about 582,000.

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2% compared to last year's May.

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but for the year, uh we're at 1.9

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million visitors, which is up 3 and 1/3%

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year-to-date, so

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uh still running a little bit ahead of

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last year altogether.

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Um couple other things to bring up uh

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South Campground is finally open again,

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you may have noticed, and uh

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didn't take long, it's filling up uh

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with uh rec.gov

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uh reservations, so folks are enjoying

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the new facilities over there.

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into the park on the east side. Um seems

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to be going okay, although they had a

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traffic light uh glitch um yesterday,

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which backed up traffic for a while, but

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they've gotten that straightened out. Um

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still don't have a real definitive

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schedule, and I think that's uh

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something that we and uh communities

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continue to ask UDot uh to try to pin

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that down a little better.

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But, going along good.

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uh large ve- vehicle uh traffic changes

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on the Zion-Mount Carmel Highway uh seem

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to be working well.

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of problems and such, please let me

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know, but we've had very few um even

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traffic stops. I mean, we're catching

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most people at the entrance stations,

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but um people seem to be aware of it.

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And uh working out well so far.

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folks might have.

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» Questions?

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» Be safe with fire. We're under fire

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watches and red flag warnings, so

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notice that Angel's Landing is closed

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indefinitely. There's damage to the

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chains. Do you know more?

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one of the uh posts is broken.

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location, so uh

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the trail crew will be up there in the

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morning to fix it.

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depends on the fix how long it'll be

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closed. So, if we're able to do um

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quick repair

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um it'll be just the time for the uh

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rock epoxy to to cure.

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» Next item on the agenda is um council

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reports. Does anyone have any questions

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or clarifications on that?

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Looks like not. So, next presentation is

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Bridget Butinski from Washington County.

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She's going to do a presentation on a

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new mapping software that the county has

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>> I don't like these.

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Awesome. So, I'll tell you a little bit

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of history of why we are doing this. Uh

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last year obviously we all know we had

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the fire in Forsyth um Canyon. And what

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we learned from that is we needed a

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better way to reach out to our public um

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within the community and figure out how

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we give them the best information for

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evacuations. So, Jason and I, uh the

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emergency management director and I,

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went out and started looking for

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programs and um tools to figure out how

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we could move forward in being able to

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alert our community better if we have an

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evacuation necessity

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um come up, whether it's from fire,

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flood, or a uh road closure or something

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like that.

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today. It's fine. We'll start anyway. Um

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so, the Genesis Protect program is

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actually a mapping tool uh that the

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county has purchased. We purchased it

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under the five-county program that we

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run with Iron, Kane, Garfield, and

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Beaver. Um and they are all going to go

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to this same program. We just happen to

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be the largest county and roll it out

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first. This rolled out in April, and

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we've had a slow roll with it cuz we

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wanted to make sure we worked through

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any um hiccups or issues. We did work

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with uh every entity within the county

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um come up with the best ability to how

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we're going to divide up each section of

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each town or each section of the um

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communities. So,

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well, this is great.

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just wanted people to see it. So, you're

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good. Uh what it does is it allows us to

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It works with what we already have with

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uh 911 register, and um it allows us to

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send information out to um

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to people through their phones and

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emails on evacuation routes.

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Um okay, yay.

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All right, so we'll move forward.

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Maybe.

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» Okay. So, we'll go ahead. Um it allows

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peo- allows us to give information on

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evacuation routes based on what the um

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necessity is based on the environment

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that's going on. If we had a fire in

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Zion and we need to evacuate Springdale,

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we can also get the information to the

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people, not just local residents, but

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also visitors, and tell them, "Okay, so

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there's a fire here. Don't go through

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the park. Go this way." We give them how

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directions and where to go. We also

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allow them or we also can tell them

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where a shelter has been set up. So,

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this isn't just for our community, it's

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also for the visitors to the area, which

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we all know we have a lot of those. And

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we need to be able to communicate to

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them as fast as possible as well. Um

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some areas will have multiple evacuation

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routes and some areas won't. Um but what

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this allows us to do

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is work with the communities, the local

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first responders, and communicate these

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routes easy. So, it's like if you get an

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alert and you don't know where you're

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standing. If you were in um

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Coconino County uh in Flagstaff is one

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that also program. If you're in Coconino

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County and you don't know where you're

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going, if you get an evacuation, they'll

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give you the directions, turn-by-turn

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directions on how to get out of the

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area. You can go to the next one.

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Um and it's traffic flow and being able

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to um

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evacuate the most at-risk areas first.

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What we don't want to have is a um is a

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bottleneck when we're evacuating. And we

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use Dammeron as an example as well

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because you have a north or a south

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route. You're either going north or

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south. What we don't want is people to

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go the wrong way. They're thinking,

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"This is how I always go. When I leave

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Dammeron, I always go south." What if

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they can't go south because the fire is

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in or near Diamond Valley. So, we want

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them to go north. So, we just give them

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the ability to evacuate and it gives

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them it's making it easier in our

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communication. You can go to the next

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one.

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So, what you'll be seeing um rolling out

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is know your zone. You can go to the

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next one.

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And how do you know your zone? You'll

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find your zone in five steps. You'll log

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onto the website or you can download the

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app. Um we do suggest that everybody

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download the app on their phone, but you

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can download the app.

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It'll give you your zone and every zone

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is based on a number

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asset. So, it's based on It's not saying

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like oh it's not based on your zip code,

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it's based on a number that's assigned

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per the map that we've created. Um

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you'll click subscribe to alerts. It'll

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be able to send you alerts and you can

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clock in or click into that program. You

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can go to the next one.

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So, I did this in St. George and this is

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sort of my address of where I was at

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when I did it. But at that point when I

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did it there were no alerts and if you

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look up there you can see all the

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different areas

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um that we would run evacuations out of.

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Each of those parcels is a separate

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evacuation area. The more condensed, the

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smaller the parcel because we have more

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people in that area. And as you look it

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kind of goes out as towards Ivins,

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there's larger parcels and then in St.

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George and Washington and in Hurricane

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the parcels are a little smaller in

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those proper areas.

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Um but that's what page you're going to

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look up. You search your address, it'll

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tell you your current location, if there

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are any alerts, if there are fires in

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the area. A lot of this is AI driven.

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So, when UDOT puts out a message that

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says I-15 is closed going from the Iron

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County line north, that will populate

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into this system. So, we're pulling

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these populations from UDOT and other

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entities like that that are already

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putting this information out. It's not

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something that we have to go in and like

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oh we have to keep up with this on the

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daily. Um so, anything that populates

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out like that will be automatically be

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added to this. You can go to the next

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one.

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This is where you'll go to find your

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zone. It's protect.genesis.com

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and genesis is spelled g e n a s y s. Um

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and go to the next one. This is the last

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one.

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This is where you'll download the app.

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You can do in the App Store, Google

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Play, whatever your whatever you

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download apps on your phone app. Um

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download the app, search your area, and

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then um it will just consistently send

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you messages. Now, if you are someone

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who doesn't have the app, it will still

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send you a message because we will work

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through the Everbridge and Reverse 911

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and IPAWS to send that information out,

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but it'll still give them the same links

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on how to evacuate.

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So,

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any questions?

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» Great. That's a great system.

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>> Yeah, you know, we had a fire here a

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couple years ago that started in

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Rockville, and all of these concerns

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came up. So, which way would we My

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neighborhood, three of us were evacuated

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from our neighborhood, but we were

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afterward talking about it. We didn't

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know how to notify visitors. We didn't

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know how to tell people whether they

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were at risk, what route to take, and

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then we didn't have any power here at

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the Town Hall campus. So, now we've

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installed emergency power. So, we're

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much better prepared if that should

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happen again. Let's hope it doesn't, but

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um this is great, and thank you to the

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county for setting this up.

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>> need to uh do an evacuation, obviously

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it would go through um

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uh since the sheriff is the evacuating

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um entity in the county, it would go

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through myself or Jason, through either

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Chief Decker or um the police chief, or

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any of those. They would communicate

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with us. We would push it out that way

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because we're the alerting facility for

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that.

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>> And if somebody doesn't download the

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app, it's still they would get the alert

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on their phone

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>> if they're geographically in the area,

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right?

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>> Yeah, we'll run it off of IPAWS if it's

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one of these alerts that we need to get

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out to a larger area. The addition The

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sub-

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The thing with IPAWS is it's great, but

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it also bleeds over into some other

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areas, so it kind of alerts people

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um

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unintentionally, but we would rather

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unintentionally alert people and not

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alert a group of people because we

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didn't use an IPAWS alert going out.

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>> So, is this like strictly

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uh

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to be used like in the case of an

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evacuation or let's just say if we have

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a like a major road closure up here?

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>> So, this will be used if there is an

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evacuation needed for a flat a fire,

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flood, um any sort of, you know, shelter

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in place, a hazmat, any way that we need

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to communicate more information to the

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community. This is just an additional

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step in our process of and our

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Everbridge program links into this, so

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we can do it one we're not

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moving through multiple programs. We're

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using one program and we're linking it

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all the way out to everything. So, it's

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not just for evacuations. We can shelter

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in place with this program. We can also

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give information about, "Hey, don't go

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this way." Or if there's a power safety

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shut off because of a fire or high

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winds, this will also pick up that alert

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as well.

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» Um

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I know with the reverse 911, I can

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register multiple addresses. So, like

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maybe I've got my place of work plus my

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home and maybe my kids' school.

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Would this work similarly? Can I put

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more than one location or does it track

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where I am to give me relevant

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>> Yes, to both.

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>> where I am?

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>> It'll It'll do both. So, when we send

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So, with a reverse 911, you sign up and

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you get this. This will put in where you

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are locally and then it kind of tracks

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where you are. If you move and you're

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worried that you don't know that alert,

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you can log in or click the app on the

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phone.

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>> [snorts]

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>> Did that answer your question? Okay.

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» I'd like to say first, Bridget, thank

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you very much for coming out. I think

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you you

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sold yourself short at the beginning. I

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think folks should know

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uh the actual critical role that you

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play in the Washington County Emergency

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Operations Center. I've been to several

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exercises that Bridget conducts.

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Jason runs the show,

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but Bridget makes sure of

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>> Thank you.

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>> very good at what she he I've just got

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two quick questions.

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> I have played with this Genesis. It

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works pretty well.

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The evacuation tells you which way to

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go, but there's no, that I could find,

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um,

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no metric where it tells me, like,

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assemble here or go here. It just

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>> We have to implement that. It's like, so

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because we don't always have that

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immediately, we don't know ahead of time

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where we're going to assemble people.

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>> Does it have that ability?

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>> It does have that capability, yes. So,

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all we have to do is flip on, um,

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shelter here or assemble here or go here

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or here's a shelter.

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>> You know we have talked about this

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before, but who flips the switch on the

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evacuation? Does the chief

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call you and say, "We have this event.

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There's There's fire. We'll let you

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know." How How do you know

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that there's an event that this needs to

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be activated?

546
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,720
>> Kind of works all the above. Um, we all

547
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,520
are kind of constantly in communication.

548
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,160
Either Jason or I will be out if it's a

549
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,640
large fire. Jason and I are out on the

550
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,760
fire.

551
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,040
Um, if, you know, chief lets us know

552
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,840
that, hey, they need to We need to go

553
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,040
ahead and and put them in red, yellow,

554
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,920
or green, ready, set, or go,

555
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,920
um, we can do that on this program. And

556
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,240
you can log in and say, "Oh, wait, I'm

557
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,960
in red I'm in green, so I'm ready. I

558
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,640
just need to get ready." Or this part of

559
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,560
town is in red. They've got to go, but

560
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,120
this part of town is in yellow. They're

561
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,840
not being evacuated yet. Um, and because

562
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,720
the sheriff is actually the controlling

563
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,040
person for evacuations in the county,

564
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,520
he has passed that along to Jason, um,

565
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,880
and saying, "You can, you know, just

566
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:31,800
call me and let me know what's

567
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,720
happening, but we really rely on fire,

568
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,400
um, to let us know, hey, this is This is

569
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,000
a situation where we are. This is kind

570
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,800
of what we need to do." So, it's kind of

571
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,520
like a conglomerate conversation where we

572
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,240
would also involve, um, the mayor as

573
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,280
well.

574
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:47,800
We're not going to evacuate your town

575
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,640
without you knowing.

576
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,000
Or that's not the plan ever.

577
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:51,960
>> Right.

578
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:52,320
>> Thank you.

579
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,160
>> move that fast into evacuation, it's something beyond what we can

580
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,280
control.

581
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,760
So.

582
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:00,160
>> Thank you.

583
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:00,720
Oh, yeah.

584
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,640
>> Okay.

585
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,320
>> Thank you, Bridger.

586
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:03,760
>> Yes, ma'am.

587
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,200
>> Appreciate it.

588
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,760
We won't be offended if you leave to

589
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,360
drive back down to St. George.

590
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:10,600
>> I've got to go to Virgin for another

591
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:10,800
meeting.

592
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,360
>> Oh, okay.

593
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:13,840
Sorry about it.

594
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,120
Next item on the agenda is a Arts Design

595
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,280
and Art Design presentation and I think

596
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,360
that Mike and Larson is not able to be

597
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,720
here after all. So, Kendall, we are

598
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,960
going to show something on the screen?

599
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:28,880
No?

600
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,680
Okay, so I'll read what she sent us. She

601
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,240
said it's from Bobby Wankier and Mike

602
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,760
and Larson. Thank you for your kind

603
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,840
consideration when we requested leave to

604
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,400
appear at your regular meeting to be

605
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,640
held today to offer a report both

606
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,120
thanking the town of Springdale for your

607
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,200
generosity and accounting for the $2,500

608
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,480
RAP funds. Unfortunately, a family

609
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,640
emergency has arisen. We would request

610
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,120
that in lieu of our personal appearance,

611
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,120
this memorandum be read.

612
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,120
The funds were used for the Arts Design

613
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,160
Springdale cultural tour which occurred

614
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,120
in November 2025 and in addition to the

615
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,480
2500 from Springdale, the Arts Design

616
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,800
organization spent an additional

617
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,240
approximately 2500 to make this tour in

618
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,840
Springdale a success. In spite of the

619
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,120
persistent rain, there were sales at the

620
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,080
galleries as a result of the tour and

621
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,480
there were two marvelous artist home

622
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,720
studios open as well. One of them was

623
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Jack. It is always our intention to

624
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,040
fulfill the paperwork and administrative

625
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,480
requirements of our various obligations

626
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,960
and we will follow up with this

627
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,640
memorandum with both a written report

628
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,880
and visuals images. Please know that we

629
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,440
appreciate the town of Springdale very

630
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,670
much.

631
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,000
Okay.

632
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,280
Next item on the agenda is community

633
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,960
comments. Um if you wish to make a

634
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,920
comment and it will be comments only,

635
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,440
not questions. If you have questions,

636
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,920
we'd like to address those outside the

637
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,080
meeting, but make sure you've signed in

638
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,480
so we can get your name right and you'll

639
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,480
state your name and please limit your

640
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,830
comments to 3 minutes or less.

641
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,720
No comments. Okay.

642
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,640
Next item on the agenda is a consent

643
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,960
agenda, which includes the review of the

644
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,600
monthly purchasing report, minutes from

645
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,560
April 22nd, 2026,

646
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,640
appointment of Jack Burns and Randy Aton

647
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,960
to serve as a town council

648
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,600
representatives on the irrigation

649
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,280
advisory board,

650
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,160
personnel policy manual revision

651
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,200
clarifying the observation of Juneteenth

652
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,440
holiday,

653
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,880
the annual fraud risk assessment and

654
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,920
resolution 2026-06,

655
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,240
a resolution designating surplus town

656
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,520
property

657
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,480
and providing for the sale or disposal

658
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960
of surplus property. And all of the back

659
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960
detail on these items is in the packet

660
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,760
that's on our website.

661
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,120
Is there a motion to approve the consent

662
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,640
agenda?

663
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,880
>> I move to approve the consent agenda.

664
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,800
>> I'll second.

665
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,400
>> Got a motion by Jack and a second by

666
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,160
Kyla.

667
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,080
>> And I.

668
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:51,760
>> Randy I.

669
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,520
>> Barbara I.

670
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,200
>> Jack I.

671
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,200
>> Kyla I.

672
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,720
>> I.

673
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,520
Next item on the agenda is a public

674
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,720
hearing.

675
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,520
Uh the process for a public hearing is

676
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,080
on the back of your agenda and we'll be

677
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,960
following that format.

678
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,480
And we we ask that um you if you're

679
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,840
going to speak again that you've signed

680
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,920
into the meeting. We will allow a

681
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,920
comment period, so if you have comments,

682
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240
you please wait for that period. Um

683
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,960
public comment should be limited to 3

684
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,480
minutes or less. And if others have

685
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,160
expressed the same view as your own and

686
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,680
you want to just raise your hand to say

687
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,640
you agree, that's fine. You can also

688
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,440
come up and speak, too.

689
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,240
And if you choose to leave during the

690
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,920
meeting, please do so as quietly as

691
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,200
possible.

692
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,800
So with that, the item on the agenda is

693
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,840
application for a zone change from the

694
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,280
central commercial zone to the central

695
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,800
commercial zone with the transient

696
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,200
lodging overlay zone at 975 Zion Park

697
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,640
Boulevard. The applicant is Trista

698
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,760
Raynor and the staff contact is Niall

699
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,280
Connolly. and we'll start with a staff

700
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,720
report.

701
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,360
>> Thank you.

702
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,440
So, yes, as you indicated, this is a

703
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,880
zone change application for the

704
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,440
transient lodging overlay zone to be

705
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,840
applied. The applicant is Trista Rayner,

706
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,920
um and she's applied for the zone change

707
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,480
for her property at 975

708
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,520
Sign Park Boulevard.

709
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,120
Uh her property is in the central

710
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,880
commercial zone, and so it's eligible

711
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,640
for um

712
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,120
for this application for the zone

713
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:24,600
change.

714
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,640
Um just a little bit of background on

715
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,200
the transient lodging overlay zone.

716
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,640
Um

717
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,280
the application window for uh

718
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,200
applications for this zone change

719
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,080
is open every even year during the month

720
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,480
of March.

721
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,200
Uh so, the most recent window

722
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,120
application was March 2026,

723
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,200
and the town received one application,

724
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,720
and this is it.

725
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,720
Um

726
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,920
so, the property is currently developed

727
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,920
with Mimi's Cafe.

728
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,000
Uh there is also a second restaurant

729
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,720
building, which is vacant, which is

730
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,240
behind Mimi's.

731
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,440
And there's also six town homes, which

732
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,480
are used as vacation rentals.

733
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,720
And the proposal

734
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,240
uh involves demolishing the vacant

735
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,560
restaurant building and replacing it

736
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,680
with a new building that would house

737
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,640
four transient lodging units and two

738
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,920
long-term rental units.

739
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,800
And um the application includes uh some

740
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,440
plans of the proposed building. There's

741
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,240
a an elevation there on the screen.

742
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,880
Uh so, the council should review the

743
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,440
application to determine whether or not

744
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,280
it promotes the aims of the general plan

745
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,200
and the purposes of the transient

746
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,240
lodging overlay zone.

747
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,480
Um the application has been reviewed by

748
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,120
the planning commission in their May

749
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,400
meeting.

750
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,000
Uh they recommended that the zone change

751
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,400
be approved. Uh

752
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,560
they also recommended three conditions

753
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,800
of approval, which are in the staff

754
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,000
report.

755
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,080
Um

756
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,320
So, just a few points to consider. Um

757
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,600
the overlay zone at chapter includes

758
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,560
application standards and review

759
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,000
criteria.

760
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Um

761
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,000
So, the application standards are

762
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,120
generally kind of more quantifiable

763
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,400
requirements for a complete application.

764
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,080
The review criteria are

765
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,040
more qualitative

766
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,480
uh about how you know, this application

767
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,200
meets the vision of the general plan and

768
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
on the uh the purpose of the overlay

769
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,440
zone.

770
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Um so, the applicant has provided

771
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,000
responses to all of these questions, and

772
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,160
those are provided in the staff report

773
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,400
as well.

774
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Um

775
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,840
The transient lodging zone requires one

776
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,520
long-term rental unit for every four

777
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,840
lodging units that are provided.

778
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,200
Um so, this application includes four

779
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,360
lodging units and two long-term units.

780
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,400
Um so, there's one additional long-term unit

781
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,040
kind of over and above what what the

782
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,880
minimum requires.

783
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,360
Um

784
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:19,040
the zone or the ordinance requires that

785
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,400
uh the long-term unit be deed restricted

786
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,480
so that it's available on the open

787
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,640
market and can't be used um as part of a

788
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,800
transient lodging business, say for a

789
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,760
property manager or that kind of thing.

790
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,040
It It just needs to be open. Um

791
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,920
Uh because there's one additional um

792
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,720
unit being provided, the applicants

793
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,000
requested that one of those units not be

794
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,840
subject to the deed restriction.

795
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Um

796
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,360
so that there will be flexibility to

797
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,080
rent it potentially to a property

798
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,760
manager if if that was necessary.

799
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,040
But either way there are two long-term

800
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,600
units there.

801
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,200
Um

802
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,520
we've received two public comments on

803
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,680
this. Uh one was included in the

804
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200
application pack. Uh the other was

805
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,560
submitted to the planning commission.

806
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,200
Um

807
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,000
and so that was posted on the town

808
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080
website at at the time that the planning

809
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,720
commission met.

810
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,800
>> And both of those were in favor of

811
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,200
renting the overlay zone.

812
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120
>> They were. They were from neighbors and

813
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,200
they were in favor. That's correct.

814
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,840
So I'd be happy to answer any questions.

815
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,240
I know the applicant is here as well. Um

816
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,160
and I know she'll be making a

817
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,680
presentation in a moment, too.

818
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,760
>> Niall, I was hoping that since it is a

819
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,800
zone change that you could read us the

820
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,440
three conditions for

821
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,320
making a zone change, just to remind us.

822
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,240
>> Yes, absolutely.

823
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,790
I'll just find that now.

824
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,520
Thank you, Tom.

825
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,350
Okay.

826
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,960
So I'll just read it out. Uh it's

827
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,160
in 10 3 2 A of the code.

828
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,760
So legislative amendments policy. For

829
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,440
the purpose of establishing and

830
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,920
maintaining sound, stable, and desirable

831
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,440
developments within the town, has adopted a general public

832
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,240
policy that amendments should not be

833
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,120
made to this title or to the zoning map

834
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,960
except to

835
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,960
So these are the conditions. More fully

836
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,680
um

837
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,960
Sorry.

838
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,720
Except to promote more fully the

839
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,680
objectives and purposes of this title

840
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,480
and the general plan to correct manifest

841
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,080
errors or to accommodate substantial

842
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,160
changes in conditions that are not

843
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,680
contemplated in the general plan.

844
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,640
>> Thank you.

845
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,000
And one of those needs to be met.

846
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,760
>> Correct.

847
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,720
>> Okay, thank you.

848
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,400
Any other clarifying questions from

849
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,990
council?

850
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,600
» Yeah, I'm curious. There's a couple

851
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,280
mentions of like um

852
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,840
public infrastructure.

853
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,280
The like charging station and the maybe

854
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,040
a bike repair station. And I'm curious

855
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,800
if it's in this plan, are those things

856
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,440
kind of cemented to for sure happen or

857
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,520
are they they're kind of written as

858
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,360
maybe they're like suggestions and so I

859
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,040
wondered

860
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,160
what what

861
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,680
if I if it's not in a motion, is it

862
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,560
guaranteed to follow through?

863
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,440
>> Sure. Yeah, I I think um yeah, those things that you mentioned they're

864
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:45,760
not requirements as such within the the ordinance, but they have been

865
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,160
proposed.

866
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,120
Um I think if you would like to secure

867
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,240
those to ensure that they are delivered,

868
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,400
you might want to add those as a

869
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,070
condition of approval.

870
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,910
» Other clarifying questions of staff?

871
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Does anyone in the audience want to ask

872
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,560
a clarifying question of the staff?

873
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,320
We'll give you another opportunity to

874
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,639
ask of the applicant.

875
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,360
Looks like not. So um Trista, do you

876
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,360
want to

877
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,869
make a presentation?

878
00:34:19,879 --> 00:34:21,040
» Thank you for

879
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,120
hearing my proposal tonight.

880
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,919
Um we put a lot of work into this

881
00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:29,360
submission. We took all of the feedback

882
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,000
we got from our prior meetings with the

883
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,080
town and the planning commission and we

884
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,760
incorporated them into this new design.

885
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,520
So, these are not engineered drawings,

886
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,560
but um they are to scale on the property

887
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,520
for where we're wanting to build. So, I

888
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,159
would say what we presented is

889
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,800
what what I would foresee going through

890
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,520
um

891
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,919
when the engineering plans and the

892
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:52,720
design development review was presented.

893
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,480
And as far as the charging station and

894
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,840
the bike um rest area, we were proposing

895
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,280
that um

896
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,760
we have a lot of guests and a lot of

897
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,520
people coming to Mimi's that cannot

898
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,440
charge their cars locally unless they're

899
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,720
staying at a hotel and even so sometimes

900
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,280
it's very limited where they can do

901
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,920
that. So, um

902
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,560
that's just something I would like to do

903
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,640
and it doesn't have to be a Mimi's um

904
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,880
customer and it doesn't have to be

905
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,880
somebody staying on the property. It

906
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,480
could be somebody shopping. It'll be

907
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,920
open use.

908
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,400
And I don't know exactly what that will

909
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,000
look like, like maybe a 4-hour maximum

910
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,680
or you know, just something, but I think

911
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,520
it'll create a little of foot traffic

912
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,520
downtown, which is highly desirable. And

913
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,360
there's so many people on bikes or even

914
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,720
if they're not on a bike, I'd like to

915
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,800
have a little rest area in that um area

916
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,320
in the front of our property. That's

917
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,000
obviously for bikes to be locked up or,

918
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,360
you know, for somebody to refill their

919
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,720
water, that kind of thing. So, I'm

920
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,560
committed doing both of those. I wanted

921
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,280
to do those on our property regardless

922
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,120
of the of the submission.

923
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,120
Okay. Um I'm just going to go over a

924
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,560
couple things and I'm sorry I've got to

925
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,240
do it by my notes because I don't want

926
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,280
to forget anything. It's really This is

927
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,920
really important to me.

928
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,200
Um the current uh building is vacant

929
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,520
and it has been since 2022.

930
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,360
It's made of aerated concrete blocks.

931
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,920
And so, for those of you maybe in the

932
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,760
audience, I know the the town council

933
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,840
knows that it cannot be remodeled in the

934
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,760
way that a a traditional building can.

935
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,640
Um it literally is like foam blocks.

936
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,240
Um

937
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,880
so, our hope is to rebuild with more per

938
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,440
architecture style with rock, stucco,

939
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,920
and metal.

940
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,480
And, um,

941
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,320
change some of the design elements like

942
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,000
removing the very large commercial

943
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
windows with smaller residential

944
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,480
windows. The internal breezeway and

945
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,760
internal walkway, um, will benefit the

946
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,760
night sky. So, instead of having

947
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,680
exterior entrances to all of the to the

948
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,200
any of the units, residential or

949
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,760
transient, their their walkways will be

950
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,120
internal and their lighting will be

951
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,360
internal.

952
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,960
Um, it's hard to tell from the drawings,

953
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,200
but the front where the stairway is, um,

954
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,680
that's set back. It has a breezeway and

955
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,760
that's where you would go into that

956
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,960
inter- interior corridor to get to the

957
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,200
each unit. Um, the building is stepped

958
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,800
back several times and there's open

959
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,800
patio areas and, um,

960
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,960
balconies. You can see where it says

961
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,280
open on the right. So, we we've tried as

962
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640
much as possible on the the same

963
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,240
building footprint to

964
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,360
have a lot of open space with the

965
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,840
building.

966
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Um,

967
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,880
>> So, Trista, just a verification, those doors we're

968
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,040
looking at there are the doors to the

969
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,440
breezeway

970
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,040
in the center.

971
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,880
Two different breezeways, is it is it a

972
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,000
matter

973
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,760
>> Yeah, so you would Sorry, that's the

974
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,000
front elevation. You would not access

975
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,320
any

976
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,080
I'm not sure what that That is not a

977
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,280
doorway. You would enter

978
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,400
the buildings from down below in the

979
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,560
breezeway and then upstairs by going up

980
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,360
the stairs.

981
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,960
>> And where are those Oh, those stairs are

982
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,640
inside?

983
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,800
>> Yeah, that's inside. So, it's it's it's

984
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,800
like two small buildings with a

985
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,760
breezeway in the center, but the

986
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,040
residential will be in the back.

987
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,600
So, kind of a courtyard feel, a U.

988
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,360
Um, [snorts] I wanted to repeat and this

989
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,040
was in the planning commission meeting,

990
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,120
but the property slopes significantly

991
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,720
from SR 9.

992
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,960
The new building pad sits 8 ft lower

993
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,280
than Sign Park Boulevard.

994
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,760
Um it's 5 ft lower than the Mimi's Cafe

995
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,160
building and 3 ft lower than Cannon

996
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,880
Offering's property.

997
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,040
The rebuild um

998
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,040
will keep the natural skyline and vistas

999
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,160
unaffected, and will blend in more

1000
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,880
harmoniously with the surrounding

1001
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,920
properties and buildings in Springdale.

1002
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Um this redesign from our 2024

1003
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,440
submission to this one gave us

1004
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,480
a larger residential unit for the TLO

1005
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,600
requirement, but an opportunity to add a

1006
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,440
much needed second residential unit that

1007
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,240
we will use for employee housing,

1008
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,480
long-term rental, or maybe a future

1009
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,680
on-site manager.

1010
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,440
There's some conditions with the TLO

1011
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,400
um units that you can't use it

1012
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,160
for a future property manager, or you

1013
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,880
can't use it if it's tied to employment.

1014
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,400
There's also restrictions you can't do

1015
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,960
it less than 90 days. There's a lot of

1016
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,760
things in that TLO um requirement, which

1017
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,400
what we're happy to make, but the second

1018
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,440
residential unit, if somebody was

1019
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,840
building

1020
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,840
a property or remolding remodeling a

1021
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,080
property, this would give us an

1022
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,160
opportunity to rent for a month or 2

1023
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,720
months,

1024
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,160
which the TLO would not allow us to do.

1025
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,760
So, the second unit, we foresee being a

1026
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,240
20 a 12-month lease, but um

1027
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:51,960
it it could be a a Mimi's employee, it

1028
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,800
could be a open market.

1029
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,120
Um and I for I'm the manager on the

1030
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,600
property, but

1031
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,440
in the future, if we ever wanted to have

1032
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,000
an on-site manager, then we could

1033
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,880
potentially turn the second unit into

1034
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,000
that.

1035
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Um the two residential units make up 43%

1036
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,760
of the living space in this building. Um

1037
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,160
each residential unit is 916 sq ft,

1038
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,040
and we're designing them to feel more

1039
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
like a home, not a rental. They'll have

1040
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,800
um upgraded amenities, private laundry,

1041
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,360
patio, and balcony spaces.

1042
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,760
Additionally, we made extra effort to

1043
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,360
design this um building in a way that protects our adjacent neighbor,

1044
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,320
Laura Dody.

1045
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,400
Um the residential units will be on the

1046
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,320
backside of the building. Their patios

1047
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,760
will face Mimi's and face the parking

1048
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,120
lot. So, we're we're we're turn

1049
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,640
the property away away from Laura's

1050
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120
adjacent wall, if that makes sense.

1051
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Um closest to her residence, we designed

1052
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,200
the

1053
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,680
building to have our storage and our

1054
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,480
maintenance. So, there will be no direct

1055
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,760
windows, stairways, or doors um adjacent

1056
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,000
to Laura's residential property.

1057
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,080
Um

1058
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,280
they mentioned that uh our full-time

1059
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,520
resident in the townhomes in the back

1060
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,160
gave us a letter of recommendation, but

1061
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,200
the second one was from Laura Dody, and

1062
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,240
I don't know if you guys have had a

1063
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:20,230
chance to look at her letter.

1064
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:21,800
If not, I'd like to just say a couple

1065
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,360
things. Um she was in support of it. She

1066
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,400
said she's strongly in favor and would

1067
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,960
prefer to have residential and vacation

1068
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,280
rentals

1069
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,840
as neighbors.

1070
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,760
Her first point references the vacant

1071
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,120
building

1072
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,400
and

1073
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,760
beautifying the central commercial area

1074
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,680
is obviously important to everybody down

1075
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,120
there. Um this also secondarily meets a

1076
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,600
town goal to eliminate empty and unused

1077
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,000
buildings.

1078
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,960
And then her second point, which is

1079
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,000
really

1080
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,920
significant, is that the location does

1081
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,880
not lend itself to retail or residential

1082
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,400
or I mean, sorry, restaurant commercial

1083
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,800
because it doesn't sit on Highway 9.

1084
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,560
We've had three different restaurants

1085
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,960
there, and it's just a very difficult

1086
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,960
sale. Nobody in the walking area

1087
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,440
downtown

1088
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,680
turns down Juniper Lane

1089
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,040
to do anything beyond Soul Foods Market.

1090
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,320
They don't understand that there's a

1091
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,960
second business there. So, it's it's

1092
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,040
very difficult because it lacks

1093
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,200
visibility for cars and pedestrian

1094
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,280
traffic.

1095
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,049
Um

1096
00:42:24,049 --> 00:42:24,720
>> [sighs and gasps]

1097
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,240
>> with our current lodging, the six that

1098
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,520
we do own now, we choose not to maximize

1099
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,280
occupancy. Um

1100
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,160
and we want to lower the impact on town

1101
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,600
resources.

1102
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,750
We do have um

1103
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,160
solar panels on those units and we hope

1104
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,920
in the future we're going to wire these

1105
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,880
new units, if it's approved, to also

1106
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,240
have solar.

1107
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,240
Um but that's down the line there. It's

1108
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:49,400
very very expensive right now to put

1109
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,720
solar in.

1110
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,360
Um our guests love staying in the center

1111
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,280
of town and supporting local businesses,

1112
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,760
which is huge. The biggest compliment we

1113
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,240
receive is when guests say they feel

1114
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,880
like locals during their stay. And our

1115
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,080
guests actually prefer the village scale

1116
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,320
of our property versus a larger complex.

1117
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,480
Um this property in the in central

1118
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,200
commercial zone is very unique in town.

1119
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Um we've added a variety of housing and

1120
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,240
lodging.

1121
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,800
We have the 18 two-bedroom residential

1122
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,280
units in the back of the property

1123
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,960
and nobody in central commercial has has

1124
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,680
built that much residential in downtown.

1125
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,040
Um this makes it a very unique property

1126
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,360
and a unique a unique stay for the

1127
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,120
residents as well as our guests.

1128
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,240
Um

1129
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,080
we wanted to

1130
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,880
avoid constructive tourism by building

1131
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,920
smaller than the town ordinance allows.

1132
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,920
This building is 38% smaller than our

1133
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,000
current zoning allows. And with the

1134
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,200
addition of the four units, we're 20%

1135
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,400
lower than the the um transient zoning

1136
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,280
allows.

1137
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,560
I think this is a really unique

1138
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,440
opportunity to bring

1139
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,080
residential

1140
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,080
and a couple more transient lodging

1141
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,480
um and a restaurant. Having that in the

1142
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,840
downtown commercial core is important

1143
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,240
and it's important for workers to be

1144
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,120
able to live in town.

1145
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,720
Um,

1146
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,680
adding both of these, I think, on this

1147
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,400
small scale helps bring additional

1148
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,480
support to our local businesses, which

1149
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,480
is needed on a year-round basis, not

1150
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,200
just tourism months.

1151
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,480
Um,

1152
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,520
I think the property being 1.18 acres is

1153
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,400
modest in scale when compared to other

1154
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,320
properties in Central and Village

1155
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,920
Commercial.

1156
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,440
Um, our buildings, I don't know, Nile,

1157
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:49,190
if you can put the overhead photo on.

1158
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,560
One here?

1159
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,880
>> Let me rotate that.

1160
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,560
>> Yeah.

1161
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,350
>> If we can make that bigger, um,

1162
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,440
we have multiple buildings at village

1163
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,680
scale, um, on the property. The three

1164
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,400
existing townhome rentals, which are

1165
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,200
down at the bottom there in the blue,

1166
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,160
those have a footprint of 1,000 square

1167
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,920
feet each.

1168
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,680
And then the Mimi's Cafe building at the

1169
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,960
front of the property is 2,000 square

1170
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,120
feet

1171
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,200
for the footprint. It's only one story.

1172
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,200
Um, and that's the gazebo to the left

1173
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,760
for dining outside. And then the second

1174
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,120
building, um, the new building will

1175
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,680
actually be smaller than that footprint

1176
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,200
because it won't have those large patios

1177
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,920
on both sides, those dining patios.

1178
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,120
Um, the new proposed building footprint

1179
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,800
will be 2,600 square feet.

1180
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,640
The new building, if approved, is, um,

1181
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,840
very similar in size to Laura Dody's

1182
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,760
new, um,

1183
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,000
building.

1184
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,640
If If she added added a second

1185
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,320
residential unit as we have done,

1186
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,920
her building and our building would

1187
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,840
virtually be the same size.

1188
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Um,

1189
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,880
there's a lot of great buildings and

1190
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,800
businesses in Central Commercial, but

1191
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,280
ours is significantly smaller

1192
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,480
than a lot. Zion Guru, for example, has

1193
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,640
a 5,500 square foot footprint.

1194
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,600
Soul Market is 11,000,

1195
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,880
Pioneer Lodge 16,000,

1196
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,000
Pete's Noodle 7,300 just on the

1197
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,240
footprint. Um and Bumbleberry 12,000

1198
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:27,080
square feet. So, I really do feel like

1199
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,400
for Central Commercial that this is

1200
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,040
village scale.

1201
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,320
And hopefully you do, too.

1202
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,440
Um

1203
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,080
we want to beautify the property and

1204
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,240
work on a landscaping plan. As part of

1205
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:40,960
that, I'd like to do

1206
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,440
the charging stations if that is

1207
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,160
something the town is interested in

1208
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,990
having. Um

1209
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,960
we also um

1210
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,720
think that having I already mentioned

1211
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:53,920
that, but having those that rest area

1212
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,840
and those charging stations might create

1213
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,080
a little bit more walkability for the

1214
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,840
local businesses, which would be nice.

1215
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,440
Um I wanted to bring up something that

1216
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,200
came up during the Planning Commission

1217
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,960
if you don't mind me spending a minute

1218
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,560
of time might actually save a question

1219
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,120
later on. But our parking plan came up.

1220
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,040
We actually have enough parking on our

1221
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,000
property to support this change or a

1222
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,680
restaurant or anything else that we

1223
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,000
can do on that in that building. Um but

1224
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,120
in 20

1225
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,920
let's see. I think it was 2022, the town

1226
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,280
removed on-street parking

1227
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,280
on SR 9 directly in front of us and

1228
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,200
in some distance down SR 9 in the

1229
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,280
Central Commercial area. And that

1230
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,680
removed a lot of handicap accessibility

1231
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,600
to our property. Right now, our handicap

1232
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,000
parking

1233
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,040
um is down slope and

1234
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,960
yes, right there where

1235
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,240
his arrow is is our handicap parking. Um

1236
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,600
we just don't have any parking next to

1237
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,880
Mimi's and it's really important for the

1238
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,000
success of our business.

1239
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,960
So, that parking plan was just a rough

1240
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,280
draft. I am I have talked to Nile and I

1241
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,160
want to work with the town.

1242
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,960
Anything we can do to minimize that

1243
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,240
impact or make it smaller,

1244
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,000
like make it one-way traffic, it would

1245
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,720
save a lot of driveway space and

1246
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,120
asphalt, but um,

1247
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,560
that said, that parking submission is

1248
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,840
totally separate from the TLO. It's not

1249
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,360
a requirement of the TLO.

1250
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,400
I don't need that additional parking for

1251
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,360
that. I I actually need it for Mimi's.

1252
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,160
So, I would be coming back before the

1253
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,400
town

1254
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,120
um, on that issue. I just haven't

1255
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,200
proceeded with getting that approved

1256
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,360
because I think

1257
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,760
if I was going to do that, I would do it

1258
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,840
at the same time as building the second

1259
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,560
building.

1260
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,640
>> Quick question about the parking. You

1261
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,040
say the parking plan that I'm looking at

1262
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,600
here is not part of this application?

1263
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,120
>> No. No, it just was required to be

1264
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,200
submitted, but the whole um,

1265
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,600
the whole property plan. Can you pull

1266
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,070
that up, Nile?

1267
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,190
It's next to the drawings.

1268
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,040
So, we had proposed this several years

1269
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,960
ago and then when we submitted our

1270
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,280
application for a TLO overlay in 2024,

1271
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,920
we we paused this,

1272
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,640
um,

1273
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,400
this parking lot idea cuz we wanted to

1274
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,160
be able to incorporate it together, um,

1275
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,160
yeah, so that black area there,

1276
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,640
um,

1277
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,120
along the front of the property along SR

1278
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,120
9, just to give you some perspective,

1279
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,720
that's 155 ft of frontage

1280
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:41,560
between Juniper Lane and Canyon

1281
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,880
Offerings. That's 155 ft.

1282
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,480
And I'm hoping to reduce the asphalt

1283
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,760
impact on this parking plan, but I do

1284
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,360
want to and forward with it. I just want

1285
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,240
to bring it up because it it's important

1286
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,000
that you guys know that's in the future,

1287
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,800
but that front area between Mimi's SR9

1288
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,240
and the parking lot, that's over 5,000

1289
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,640
already, that's over 5,000 square feet

1290
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,480
of open grass and landscaping. So, it's

1291
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,640
significant. I know the parking lot

1292
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,280
looks intimidating, but there is still a

1293
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,680
lot of open space. It's also set back 45

1294
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,280
feet from SR9.

1295
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,440
So, it's also on the same kind of slope

1296
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,720
going down our property.

1297
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,960
>> So, that's not part of this plan.

1298
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:26,680
Is that right?

1299
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,080
>> So,

1300
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,680
just a bit of background on the on the

1301
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,080
parking lot. So, um

1302
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,760
some time ago,

1303
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,880
uh Trista made an application for the

1304
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:42,240
parking loss kind of independence from this proposal. Uh that application

1305
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,440
has been on hold for some time.

1306
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,960
Um

1307
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,560
so, that was kind of independent of this. Um

1308
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,400
the parking plan was submitted with with

1309
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,880
this plan. Um

1310
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:04,400
my understanding was that it's it's part of the the intention to

1311
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,800
happen, you know, like it it's it's

1312
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,080
there

1313
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:13,640
they intend to build this, but the transient lodging

1314
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,480
overlay zone

1315
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:21,240
development isn't dependent on this parking loss. But, the the parking

1316
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,000
can be mass based on the existing

1317
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,480
parking. So,

1318
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,360
I I think if there's any doubt, I think

1319
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,480
in your approval, you may want to

1320
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,520
clarify that by permission by condition

1321
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,320
to kind of stipulate whether the parking

1322
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,280
is

1323
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,160
>> Well, I mean, the the application either

1324
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,520
includes it or it doesn't, right? I

1325
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,480
mean, I don't I guess I don't

1326
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,800
understand.

1327
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,440
Am I missing something?

1328
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,000
>> So, they required us to show any future

1329
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,760
developments on the property, what we

1330
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,200
were intending with this TLO submission

1331
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,800
and if there was anything pending. And

1332
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,320
so this parking lot was pending. I just

1333
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,560
haven't proceeded with this because when

1334
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,120
we were denied in 2024,

1335
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,400
I thought if I come back in 2026, I

1336
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,840
would incorporate the construction all

1337
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,120
into one project, you know, and the

1338
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,560
landscaping and everything instead of

1339
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,840
putting the parking lot in and then

1340
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,560
potentially building a second building,

1341
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,560
you know, a year or two later. I would

1342
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,880
just prefer to do all of the

1343
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,520
construction at the same time.

1344
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,160
>> So we if if we approve this, we'd be

1345
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,000
approving the building and the parking

1346
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,000
lot.

1347
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,080
>> No, just the just the building.

1348
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,600
>> We don't need to approve the parking

1349
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,440
lot, that's a staff matter, right?

1350
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,600
>> Well, the if if the parking lot came

1351
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,960
forward, that would go to the planning

1352
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,560
commission actually, but

1353
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,040
um

1354
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:48,360
I suppose irrespective of whether the transient lodging is approved or

1355
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:56,920
not, um this parking lot could be approved anyway it it subject

1356
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,440
to meeting the landscaping standards.

1357
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,640
>> So there's there's no need to install a condition because it's not

1358
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,200
part of the plan.

1359
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,800
we would approve if we approve

1360
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,150
it tonight, is that right?

1361
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,560
» Yeah, I I I I would say so that

1362
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,360
I either way the the design development

1363
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,920
review will need to come forward

1364
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,280
afterwards for the for the transient

1365
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,270
lodging and the parking, yeah.

1366
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,000
» Oh, that's okay. Um

1367
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,720
I wanted to bring it up because of that

1368
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,640
question, that exact question came up

1369
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,600
during the um

1370
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,160
the planning meeting.

1371
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,320
Um I think that's that's about it. I

1372
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,720
just I wanted

1373
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:38,760
also say that

1374
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,680
we we own the property, we're family

1375
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,680
owned. There's three generations of us

1376
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,800
working at Mimi's Cafe. Um Um

1377
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,760
We do care very much about the town and

1378
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,320
beautifying the property. That's our

1379
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,640
goal here.

1380
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,280
Um

1381
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,960
I'm willing to answer any questions or

1382
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,920
take any feedback and I appreciate your

1383
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,920
time. Thank you very much.

1384
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,240
>> I just have a clarifying question for

1385
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:04,000
Nile. So, you mentioned that the second

1386
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,600
long-term residential unit, if you don't

1387
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:07,920
have the restriction on it, you could

1388
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,680
rent it for 30 days. I don't think you

1389
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,280
could.

1390
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,240
Nile, is that because that would make it

1391
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:15,920
a short-term rental?

1392
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,640
And that would mean you had

1393
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,440
five short-term rentals with only one

1394
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,400
long-term. It would I think the minimum

1395
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,920
is 90 days, right?

1396
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,080
>> I think in this in the central

1397
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,560
commercial zone, it's 31

1398
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:27,880
>> Oh, okay. So, because it's central

1399
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,280
commercial. Okay.

1400
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,920
>> And that gives us a lot of flexibility

1401
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,120
if somebody's moving to town and working

1402
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,560
at Mimi's for example. If they need if

1403
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,520
it happened to be open, I can't imagine

1404
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,240
it wouldn't be leased for the year, but

1405
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:40,760
if it happened to be open, we could give

1406
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,000
somebody an opportunity to say

1407
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,560
yes, you can live there

1408
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,680
for 60 days while you find something for

1409
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,160
your family.

1410
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,640
>> And I don't have any issue with I just

1411
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,600
thought that the minimum was 90 days. I

1412
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,760
didn't realize it was different in

1413
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,040
central commercial, so.

1414
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,200
>> I do anticipate it being rented 12

1415
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,800
months out of the year. That's my goal,

1416
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,600
but if it was open

1417
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,120
for a couple of months or something then that would give me some flexibility

1418
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,080
or a seasonal ranger or something like

1419
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,640
you know, along that nature, artist in

1420
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,280
residence.

1421
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,753
You know, that kind of a thing.

1422
00:55:09,753 --> 00:55:10,040
>> [snorts]

1423
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,160
>> Questions for Trista?

1424
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,360
>> Um just Nile, if you clarify. So,

1425
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,640
if uh let's just say the parking lot

1426
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,280
never happens

1427
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,320
>> Can't hear you.

1428
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,600
Is your mic on?

1429
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,360
>> Let's just say there was a um

1430
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,160
uh the parking lot doesn't happen. There

1431
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,240
was a desire to actually expand the

1432
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:31,120
transient lodging.

1433
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:32,520
Um

1434
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,040
would that be a a completely different

1435
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,840
application for a zone change?

1436
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,920
>> Yes, so I adding additional transient

1437
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,160
lodging units would require a new

1438
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,800
transient lodging overlay zone

1439
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,880
application that would have to come in a

1440
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,640
future year.

1441
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,440
>> And are you guys thinking about that at

1442
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:50,880
all?

1443
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,920
>> No, not at all. Um we want parking up

1444
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,880
next to Mimi's Cafe. And then putting a building there would actually block

1445
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,920
Mimi's Cafe. So we have no desire to put

1446
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,280
another building there. Um

1447
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,160
we'd like to build exactly in the

1448
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,040
footprint of the old restaurant

1449
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,520
building.

1450
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,760
>> And would the parking be paid parking?

1451
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,040
>> No. No, that would be all of those would

1452
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,960
be Mimi's Cafe. It'd be handicap and

1453
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,200
Mimi's Cafe only. And then we would have

1454
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,760
overflow Mimi's Cafe parking in the back

1455
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,160
and then additional town home parking

1456
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,830
back there.

1457
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,560
» Other questions for Trista?

1458
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,080
Does anyone in the audience have

1459
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,920
clarifying questions for Trista, not

1460
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,750
comments but clarifying questions?

1461
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,720
It looks like not. So um I'd entertain a

1462
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:46,280
motion to open public hearing.

1463
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,880
>> I move that we open the public hearing.

1464
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,240
>> I'll second.

1465
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,440
>> A motion by Kyla and a second by Randy.

1466
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:52,920
>> And I.

1467
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:53,520
>> And you.

1468
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:54,360
>> Barbara, I.

1469
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:54,920
>> Jack, I.

1470
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,350
>> Kyla, I.

1471
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,760
» So same process. If you have a comment,

1472
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,120
please state your name and make your

1473
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,390
comment.

1474
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Looks like we have none. So I entertain

1475
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,160
Oh, I'm sorry.

1476
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:13,230
>> I want to say something.

1477
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:14,760
» I'm embarrassing

1478
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,110
to my mommy. Sorry.

1479
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,000
Town Council, my name is Michelle Callan

1480
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,760
and I am a manager at Mimi's Cafe here

1481
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,320
in Springdale.

1482
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,600
I am here to express my strong support

1483
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,120
for this um mixed-use lodging and

1484
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,680
residential project. As a downtown

1485
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,840
business owner, I see firsthand what

1486
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,840
works for our town. This project is

1487
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,360
exactly the kind of thoughtful

1488
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,080
development that Springdale needs, and

1489
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,440
here's why.

1490
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,560
It drives walkable business. Having

1491
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,520
lodging right in the town center means

1492
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,160
guests walk to our shops and

1493
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,480
restaurants. They spend money locally

1494
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,920
without adding cars to SR 9 or taking up

1495
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,125
valuable parking spaces.

1496
00:57:56,125 --> 00:57:56,160
>> [snorts]

1497
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,800
>> This directly benefits Mimi's Cafe and

1498
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,640
every other business in the commercial

1499
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,160
core. And I can attest to the current

1500
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,920
six units, the people that the guests

1501
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,440
that stay there, they're using shuttle

1502
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,160
stop five to get to the park, and

1503
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,600
they're leaving their cars there in the

1504
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,640
parking lot.

1505
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,680
Two, the scale is perfect for

1506
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,240
Springdale. Instead of maxing out zoning

1507
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,080
limits, this is a modest 2,600

1508
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,600
square-foot building.

1509
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:25,880
>> [clears throat]

1510
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,760
>> Significantly smaller than other recent

1511
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,160
commercial builds, preserving our

1512
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,280
village feel while replacing a vacant,

1513
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,800
outdated building that can't be

1514
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,240
remodeled.

1515
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,160
Three,

1516
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,600
it provides much-needed housing. Over

1517
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,280
40% of the living space goes to

1518
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,320
residential units. We desperately need

1519
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,840
more employees employee housing and

1520
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,640
long-term rentals in town, and this

1521
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,640
project delivers that. And I can attest

1522
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,920
to having so much difficulty with our

1523
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,320
employees finding relevant housing

1524
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,040
that's affordable.

1525
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,080
>> [snorts]

1526
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,160
>> Four, [clears throat] it's thoughtfully

1527
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,920
designed, protects the night sky

1528
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,600
ordinance, it's lower than surrounding

1529
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,240
properties to preserve our natural

1530
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,120
vistas, and it includes more landscaping

1531
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,080
than the town requires.

1532
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,840
And five, it's a better neighbor, and I

1533
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,520
speak specifically to the six units

1534
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,640
behind us as well as the new property

1535
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,240
that Laura did get approved for. The

1536
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,400
property sits adjacent to residential

1537
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,760
homes and vacation rentals. Unlike a

1538
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,640
restaurant or retail use, which would

1539
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,880
bring noise, kitchen exhaust, late night

1540
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,920
activity, sound, light, all of these

1541
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,640
things. This is the least disruptive

1542
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,760
commercial use possible in that location

1543
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,160
that still also benefits commercial use.

1544
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,000
This project is a win for our downtown

1545
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,560
economy, a win for local workers, and a

1546
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,400
win for Springdale's future, and I

1547
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,600
strongly urge you to vote in favor for

1548
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:50,920
it. Thank you so much for hearing me

1549
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:51,280
out.

1550
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,360
>> Quick question before you go.

1551
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:54,400
And not off the hook.

1552
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:54,800
>> Yeah.

1553
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,560
>> Say that this could be one of the

1554
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:56,800
residents

1555
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,160
>> This is a comment period.

1556
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,240
>> Something that a Mimi's employee could

1557
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,240
use.

1558
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:03,880
Has somebody Mimi's told you if that

1559
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,080
happens, I'm going to look into this?

1560
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,120
>> I personally have an employee right now

1561
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,120
that rents one of the 18 units that they

1562
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,520
developed right behind Mimi's. She

1563
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,720
doesn't have a license, she walks to

1564
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,760
work, and she uses the town shuttle, and

1565
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,480
uses the town economy. Um otherwise, all

1566
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,280
of my other employees drive from either

1567
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,720
Hurricane or further St. George. I'd

1568
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,880
love to see that change, and I think

1569
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,920
most other restaurants here would, and

1570
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,760
some have gotten the opportunity to

1571
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,480
include employment housing for their

1572
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,960
development. That would be huge for us.

1573
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,200
Thanks. Thanks.

1574
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,240
>> Any other comments?

1575
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,840
Entertain a motion to close public

1576
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,760
hearing?

1577
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,240
>> Move we close public hearing. Second it.

1578
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,120
>> Motion by Randy, second by Pat.

1579
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,400
>> Pat, I. And you?

1580
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,120
>> Barbara, I.

1581
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:55,800
>> Chuck, I.

1582
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,800
>> Kyle, I.

1583
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,080
>> Well, Tricia, this would be an

1584
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,120
opportunity for you to respond to any

1585
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,760
comments, but you probably don't have

1586
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,360
anything to add to Michelle, so

1587
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,990
um we are now in deliberation.

1588
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,680
» Now, do you have the ability to put the

1589
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,400
criteria up on the screen?

1590
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,280
>> Yeah.

1591
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,710
>> Yes, sir, do you?

1592
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:46,110
» Yeah.

1593
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,880
» Okay.

1594
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,520
>> I was I guess I was referring to the

1595
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,360
criteria for a zone change.

1596
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,920
>> Oh, pardon me. Okay, I can put that up.

1597
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,880
>> I can if I just get it on the

1598
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,600
town website.

1599
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,062
I can't type.

1600
01:02:03,062 --> 01:02:14,030
>> [laughter]

1601
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:27,910
» Okay, great.

1602
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,630
Where are we?

1603
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:49,070
» Al, you said it was 10-3-2A.

1604
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:56,150
» Here it is.

1605
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,280
I'm looking for the three bullets in

1606
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:59,280
>> They're in

1607
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,240
paragraph A at the end. So

1608
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:01,760
>> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1609
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:10,590
>> Yeah.

1610
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,120
» I guess maybe if if I'll get this

1611
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,520
started.

1612
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,400
Um I listened to the minutes of the

1613
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,160
Planning Commission.

1614
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,880
and Trish I I thought you know that you

1615
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,960
did a good job in your presentation and

1616
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,440
I think your proposal is

1617
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,440
well thought out.

1618
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,910
Um

1619
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,840
but for me the crux of this whole issue

1620
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,000
is not

1621
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,320
you know how more transient lodging

1622
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,040
or even having additional employee

1623
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,400
housing contributes to Springdale.

1624
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,520
It's do you

1625
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,520
by your application meet this criteria

1626
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,680
that's highlighted or not?

1627
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,840
And so that's what I've been focusing on

1628
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,480
and I I'm hoping as part of our

1629
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,760
deliberation

1630
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,520
you know we can focus a little bit

1631
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,360
mostly on that.

1632
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,960
Because I'm I'm kind of struggling on

1633
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,440
how to how this proposal meets this

1634
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,160
criteria.

1635
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,080
And so

1636
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,720
I'm just kind of curious what others are

1637
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:21,990
thinking.

1638
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,800
» You know I think Jack that that I I like

1639
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,440
this proposal.

1640
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,240
What I like best about it is it

1641
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,040
eliminates a vacant building that's been

1642
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,320
vacant for quite a few years.

1643
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,440
And it's right in the center of town. I

1644
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,720
think

1645
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,360
I'd like to see that property used and

1646
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:40,960
I think that this is a reasonable

1647
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,520
proposal. Then the numbers of units that

1648
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,400
two full-time unit long-term units that

1649
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,680
kind of thing. I think I could make a

1650
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,240
case for it meeting the purposes of the

1651
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,920
general plan because we talk about

1652
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,400
housing.

1653
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,680
And I think that

1654
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,000
a substantial change in condition is

1655
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,160
that that building is sitting empty.

1656
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:07,320
And so I I can support this application. I

1657
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,760
couldn't support it two years ago. I

1658
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,760
thought it was too much but I think that

1659
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,760
this is a a good application that

1660
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:18,830
would actually enhance that property.

1661
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,440
» I think it would have helped me if there

1662
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,400
had been an actual statement from an

1663
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,400
architect that says this building can't

1664
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,840
be modified.

1665
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,480
Um I own a foam block house in Rockville

1666
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,080
that was basically rebuilt. So, it was a

1667
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,720
major modification, kind of similar type

1668
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,920
construction. I'm a little concerned

1669
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,720
that, you know, our our pathway to

1670
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,440
employee housing is more transient

1671
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,680
lodging,

1672
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,080
something that this town does not need.

1673
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,360
And nor is there any kind of demand from

1674
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,640
our residents asking for more transient

1675
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,600
lodging. So,

1676
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,800
you know, that's kind of where I'm at is

1677
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,640
um

1678
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,640
I hope that we don't continue to use

1679
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,440
uh transient lodging as a pathway to a

1680
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,520
need for employee housing.

1681
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:08,840
>> Yeah, and I don't think it's kind of a

1682
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,800
dangerous path to

1683
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,760
And I don't think that the criteria in

1684
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,800
this zone requires that that be employee

1685
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,840
housing or workforce housing. I think

1686
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,280
it's just got to be long-term housing.

1687
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,720
>> Or well, regardless of what we call it,

1688
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,120
housing,

1689
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,680
which I have felt from day one that that

1690
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,440
was our loophole,

1691
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,120
you know, that people would jump on.

1692
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,600
And

1693
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,040
um

1694
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,240
again, we continue down the path of

1695
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,000
putting in something that this town does

1696
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,480
not need.

1697
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,240
And that's transient lodging. We just

1698
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,200
don't need it. We have more than twice

1699
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,360
the number of lodging rooms in this town

1700
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,320
over residents. So,

1701
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,960
um

1702
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,880
Anyway, that's my position on it.

1703
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:02,840
>> With that said, though, this this plan

1704
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,640
is more modest. They do have more

1705
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,960
long-term

1706
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,520
housing than we required.

1707
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,150
It's um

1708
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,240
you know,

1709
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,240
under-scaled

1710
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,000
and over

1711
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,080
uh how do I want to say that?

1712
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,326
Over-residented.

1713
01:07:25,326 --> 01:07:26,040
>> [laughter]

1714
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,840
>> Long-term the long-term residence

1715
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:32,480
portion is more than we require, which is I think a step in the right

1716
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,520
direction. And that the um

1717
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,360
scale of the building is is lower than

1718
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,600
they could have gone, right? Which was

1719
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,840
some of our feedback for for last time

1720
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,560
is that we just felt like it was

1721
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,720
too much.

1722
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,440
It didn't fit

1723
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,400
um as well as it could have. And I think

1724
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,080
this plan has taken some of those things

1725
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,270
into consideration.

1726
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,240
I will also say that I echo the same

1727
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:05,910
concerns. It's really hard for me to say

1728
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,960
this It's hard for me to see a vacant

1729
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,920
building in the first place. And a

1730
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,600
vacant building in the commercial zone

1731
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,560
and how we have so many of them, I do

1732
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,240
not understand, but we do. And this is

1733
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,799
this has been one of those.

1734
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:21,160
Am I excited to see it go to transient

1735
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,560
lodging?

1736
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,520
Not particularly.

1737
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,080
But I'm also really not excited to see

1738
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,120
it stay vacant.

1739
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,279
Um

1740
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,440
I don't

1741
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,000
you know, we've heard the both of the

1742
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,000
owners say that they've tried and

1743
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,120
they're not interested in trying it to

1744
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,640
have any other kind of business there.

1745
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,520
Um and it's been vacant for quite a

1746
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,920
while now. So, I feel like we're kind of

1747
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,120
you know,

1748
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,759
this is our chance to either decide that

1749
01:08:50,759 --> 01:08:51,799
we

1750
01:08:51,799 --> 01:08:56,630
What do we value more?

1751
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:02,240
Vacant buildings, populated buildings, that are are used

1752
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:03,960
or

1753
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,279
uh saying no to transient lodging. And

1754
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:08,080
it's a hard place to be in. I don't

1755
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,359
quite know where I fall.

1756
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,839
So, I'm interested to hear what

1757
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:15,960
uh other council members have to say.

1758
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,799
And I will say that whether or not the

1759
01:09:17,799 --> 01:09:20,120
building can be remodeled, if the

1760
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,880
current owner is not willing to remodel,

1761
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,400
it's going to stay vacant. And we've

1762
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,160
seen how that how that goes

1763
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:28,720
with a few of the other vacant buildings

1764
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:29,400
in town.

1765
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,080
>> Yes, and then it's like how much do we

1766
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,600
sacrifice Springdale

1767
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,799
for what a will an owner isn't willing

1768
01:09:35,799 --> 01:09:38,160
to do?

1769
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,880
>> And that's exactly where we are tonight.

1770
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:43,400
>> Yeah.

1771
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,759
>> It's a really hard place to be. Not that

1772
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:49,080
this seat is ever the easy place to be,

1773
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:50,160
but

1774
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,110
I

1775
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:53,839
Yeah.

1776
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:55,480
>> I mean, I I guess when I hear, you know,

1777
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:56,840
like what

1778
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,600
some of the the benefits are,

1779
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,200
um I don't know how transient lodging

1780
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,960
equates to a

1781
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,000
benefiting town residents

1782
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,680
other than adding more congestion.

1783
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,840
Uh the downtown area currently certainly

1784
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,880
has no shortage

1785
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,840
of

1786
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,360
customers walking around town.

1787
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,880
And you can go downtown any pretty much

1788
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,840
any night of the week and experience

1789
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,360
that.

1790
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,320
So, what we're really saying is that

1791
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,400
we're, you know,

1792
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,000
we want to take on just a little bit

1793
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,480
more congestion. We want to put

1794
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:35,920
Um and I, you know, don't take this the

1795
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,320
wrong way. I think the only people who

1796
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,080
are proposing

1797
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,400
more transient lodging are those who

1798
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,360
want to build it.

1799
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,840
We do not hear this from our residents.

1800
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,120
We haven't heard it for a long time.

1801
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,640
And

1802
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,240
again, please don't take this the wrong

1803
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,960
way.

1804
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,040
It's not our job to make sure that

1805
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,960
somebody profits from their property.

1806
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:02,880
That's not our job.

1807
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,240
is having a holistic look at

1808
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,280
what is best for Springdale.

1809
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,000
>> Agree, and I think

1810
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,200
we have an ordinance that allows

1811
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,320
people to add transient lodging. If we

1812
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,840
don't want any, we should change that

1813
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,480
ordinance.

1814
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:23,120
I mean, we've really restricted it by

1815
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,600
only taking

1816
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,520
applications as we do. Um

1817
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,280
Randy, Pat?

1818
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,440
>> If I could just quickly add though, it

1819
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:34,640
is solely our discretion as a council,

1820
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,080
recognizing that we we still have that

1821
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:37,840
allowance.

1822
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:38,640
>> Yeah.

1823
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:43,070
Absolutely.

1824
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,000
» Well, I I agree with Jack on on several

1825
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,080
points, but there is a counterbalance

1826
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,960
that that I'm looking at. Um

1827
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,760
I do see this as more tourist serving

1828
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,480
and less community serving.

1829
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:00,240
I think as as a fact, that's what it is.

1830
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,240
It'll project should will add traffic,

1831
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:03,840
parking pressure, lighting, all the rest

1832
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,120
of that. There there are some

1833
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,480
um statements in the application about

1834
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:11,720
uh infrastructure that uh it won't

1835
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,480
impact the infrastructure. Really no

1836
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:16,080
data to say that that won't happen.

1837
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,480
But but it will happen.

1838
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:20,080
The counterbalance I see here is that

1839
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,200
there is a building sitting there now

1840
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,360
that's not being used.

1841
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,040
Um to Jack's point,

1842
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,440
is it our job to figure out how that

1843
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:33,520
building gets used? I don't think so.

1844
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,920
But this puts a building there that at least

1845
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,240
is not is not deteriorating or is not

1846
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,960
just sitting vacant not being used.

1847
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,000
So, I'm I'm I'm kind of on the fence

1848
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,720
about this. I could just as easily vote

1849
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,960
this down as vote it in.

1850
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,160
Um if we use the only metric, does this

1851
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,520
serve the community at large? The answer

1852
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,040
is no, it doesn't.

1853
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:05,230
If that's the metric we use.

1854
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:06,680
» Okay.

1855
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,470
Um

1856
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:13,160
I have been no big fan of transient

1857
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,560
lodging

1858
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:15,680
for

1859
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,080
many years and I agree with those comments, Jack.

1860
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,305
Um

1861
01:13:22,305 --> 01:13:22,960
>> [clears throat]

1862
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:30,510
>> One of the things when I look at this

1863
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,120
one of the big things that I like and

1864
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,160
which other people have mentioned is the

1865
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,800
fact that there's a large vacant

1866
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,280
building there in the central commercial

1867
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,080
that's not being used.

1868
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,760
Uh it would be

1869
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,310
um

1870
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,240
I think it would be beneficial to town

1871
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:49,680
if that

1872
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:50,840
found

1873
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:55,000
a way to be used. And this is a proposal

1874
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:55,600
uh

1875
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,000
for one way to be able to use that

1876
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,520
space.

1877
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:05,440
And uh I do appreciate that.

1878
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:07,800
In terms of

1879
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,000
um

1880
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,480
whether it benefits the town

1881
01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:16,480
we have

1882
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:19,120
a very limited

1883
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,200
amount of private property and we've

1884
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:22,840
talked about this a number of times in

1885
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,080
this town.

1886
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,600
And it's extremely challenging for us to

1887
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:31,000
find ways to have

1888
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,960
rental or

1889
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,320
housing for people who work here.

1890
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,640
And we've tried a lot of different

1891
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,160
proposals

1892
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,960
uh done a lot of different things and

1893
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,590
uh it just

1894
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,200
and there's no big

1895
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,960
proposal that's going to come out of the

1896
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,400
blue that's going to cause or going to

1897
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,400
solve that problem for us. So, what

1898
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,560
we've got to do is do it incrementally.

1899
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,960
One of the things one of the reasons I'm

1900
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:05,640
one of the things that I'm still not

1901
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,920
happy with this council about is we had

1902
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,560
uh we have talked about

1903
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,520
one way to legislate that in

1904
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,880
uh having ADUs have a workforce housing

1905
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,280
component

1906
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,320
in uh the residential zones. And this

1907
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,680
council

1908
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,640
I voted for that each time this council

1909
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,040
voted down. That is a very

1910
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:35,000
important thing, I think, for the health

1911
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,440
of this community is to create more

1912
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:40,880
housing for people who

1913
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,240
work here.

1914
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,960
And it's there's not any magic bullet,

1915
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,680
like I said, for a big housing

1916
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,520
development. We don't have the money as

1917
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,400
a town to build one.

1918
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,800
And and nobody's going to come forward

1919
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,000
with the cost of property

1920
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,040
and solve that problem.

1921
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,560
So, we've got to do it incrementally.

1922
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,670
This is an incremental

1923
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,200
opportunity to create some more housing.

1924
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,520
So,

1925
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,200
I support this proposal for two reasons.

1926
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:13,800
One,

1927
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,920
because of that. And two, because it

1928
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,440
takes a large building in the center of

1929
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:20,640
commercial that's not being used and

1930
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,560
puts it to an effective use.

1931
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,680
And three, uh

1932
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,520
I think they've done a really good job

1933
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:28,680
of

1934
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:32,400
uh proposing something that's not a

1935
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,000
huge eyesore

1936
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,600
or residence for

1937
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,040
uh people traveling through this

1938
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,080
community. They've got They've got a

1939
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,760
good proposal here. This low-key

1940
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,680
uh and

1941
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,080
I'm I'm

1942
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:48,840
very supportive of this proposal.

1943
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,960
>> Let me ask this just a hypothetical.

1944
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,080
It certainly isn't isn't up to

1945
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,920
council to suggest what a a private

1946
01:16:57,920 --> 01:16:58,920
property owner should do with their

1947
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,720
property, right?

1948
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,520
Um

1949
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,760
but if this was Christmas day, what

1950
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,400
would we put in that that location other

1951
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,400
than this? What would we do?

1952
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,040
I mean, I'd be favoring a a bakery

1953
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,520
myself, but that's just me.

1954
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:13,160
>> Of a what?

1955
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:14,120
>> We have a bakery.

1956
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:15,920
>> Put in a bakery. That's just me. But

1957
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,453
what else would we do with it?

1958
01:17:17,453 --> 01:17:18,080
>> [clears throat]

1959
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:19,320
>> And I'm not saying that because we can't

1960
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:20,680
think of something else to do with it

1961
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,320
that we have to approve this, but

1962
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:24,720
I mean, I rack my brains trying to

1963
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,360
figure out if and I'm not a business

1964
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:28,520
person, but what would I put there? I

1965
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,360
don't know.

1966
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:31,800
And Jack, I mean, I'm

1967
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,000
>> Well, I mean, I guess I guess I don't

1968
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,200
agree

1969
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,840
that if it doesn't face

1970
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,000
um SR 9, it's not viable.

1971
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:42,480
You know, um

1972
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,120
I mean, we've got some pretty successful

1973
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,520
outfitters here who aren't on SR 9.

1974
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,200
I think we have more people walking

1975
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,440
around town today than we've ever had.

1976
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,600
So, I think depending on how the

1977
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,520
pedestrian flow was designed,

1978
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,080
um I think

1979
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,320
for me, it's retail.

1980
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,320
You know, or it's a restaurant.

1981
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,560
Um so, I I don't agree with, you know,

1982
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,240
the assessment that it's not viable if

1983
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,200
it's not on SR 9.

1984
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:12,480
I um

1985
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:13,760
so, that's just me.

1986
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,000
>> But they did have a restaurant there. I

1987
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,120
think they were a couple

1988
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,880
>> really struggle with that is that, you

1989
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,400
know, again,

1990
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,040
um because of somebody else's failure on

1991
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:27,320
a their business plan, that shouldn't be

1992
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,240
the justification

1993
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,360
for adding in this case transient

1994
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,080
lodging. We we can't be responsible for

1995
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,040
someone else's business plan.

1996
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,840
>> No, but what I'm saying is they have a

1997
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,480
successful restaurant on the property.

1998
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:43,760
They had a second restaurant. They know

1999
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,760
how to run a restaurant.

2000
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,040
Clearly, and so if that one didn't work

2001
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,640
out, certainly they wanted it to work

2002
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,480
out. So, I don't want to second-guess why it

2003
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,320
didn't. Maybe it was because it wasn't

2004
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,880
facing our SR-9, maybe it was something

2005
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,400
else, but I don't think that they own

2006
01:18:58,400 --> 01:18:59,480
the property. I don't think they're

2007
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:02,120
inclined to open another restaurant. I

2008
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,480
don't think we have the right to tell

2009
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:05,640
them they have to.

2010
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,440
>> I'm not saying that. I mean, he asked a

2011
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:09,080
question and I responded to it.

2012
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,670
>> Yeah.

2013
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,560
» Well, if we're going to talk about like

2014
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,640
whether it does or doesn't meet um

2015
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,840
the criteria for a zone change, I think

2016
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,640
there are several parts of the general

2017
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:26,880
plan that do talk about um increasing

2018
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,960
housing specifically for

2019
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,520
you know, residential and workforce

2020
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:33,680
housing.

2021
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,720
Um so, having

2022
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,520
the deed-restricted unit and the

2023
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,640
additional unit, I think

2024
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,800
do speak to those parts of the general

2025
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,120
plan.

2026
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,600
And um then there are also the general

2027
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,360
plan

2028
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,800
statements about unique lodging

2029
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,440
um you know, in the park field. I don't

2030
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:57,640
know if this is really considered an in

2031
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,360
the park field, but

2032
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,320
the experience and what we've heard from

2033
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,600
the applicant is that people do enjoy

2034
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,880
staying in the downtown area, and maybe

2035
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,360
it does encourage them to leave their

2036
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,680
car,

2037
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,680
uh walk, take the shuttle, um

2038
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,840
so, I do see that it could potentially

2039
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,040
meet a few of the general plan goals. I

2040
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,280
feel like

2041
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,440
at some point

2042
01:20:24,440 --> 01:20:25,640
maybe we just talked about it and it

2043
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:26,760
didn't make it in that there was

2044
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,200
something about reducing vacant

2045
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,880
buildings, but I'm not finding that

2046
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,920
anymore. So, if somebody else remembers

2047
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,880
um that passage in the general plan,

2048
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:41,160
that might be a third uh

2049
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,480
a third asset that we could use, but

2050
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:44,880
if it's not there, if I dreamed it up,

2051
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,960
then obviously it doesn't apply.

2052
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,000
>> I I'll just say one more thing and then

2053
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,560
I'm done. I think we have to be really

2054
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,800
careful our application of if there's a

2055
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,960
mere mention of it in the general plan,

2056
01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:59,480
then

2057
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:00,280
um

2058
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,320
it should be approved.

2059
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,720
I think that's a really dangerous road

2060
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,720
to go down.

2061
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:12,870
And um

2062
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:13,920
So, yeah.

2063
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,080
>> Yeah, and I'm I'm not in favor of this

2064
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,160
because there's a mere mention of it. Um

2065
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,720
It sounds like we could go either way.

2066
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,520
Does somebody want to float a motion and

2067
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:31,710
we'll see where it goes?

2068
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,000
» Pat cleared his throat like he had

2069
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,240
something, so

2070
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,670
>> Pat, do you have something?

2071
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,920
There's a There's actually a in the

2072
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,360
staff report, there's some language,

2073
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:47,230
isn't there?

2074
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:48,200
» There is.

2075
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,990
Um

2076
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,160
I Okay, before we have a motion, I will

2077
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:54,920
just say it. I mean, Jack, I hear you

2078
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,200
and and I am on the fence about this,

2079
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:01,590
too. But, to Barbara's point,

2080
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,880
we have an application

2081
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,360
and it is a legislative application.

2082
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,000
But, but really, if we're going to have

2083
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,440
an application so that we always have

2084
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:15,160
to, no matter what an applicant does,

2085
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,880
it's a no because we don't want more

2086
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,640
transient lodging, then maybe that's,

2087
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,560
you know, a decision we finally need to

2088
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:22,800
make.

2089
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,360
Which is obviously not going to be the

2090
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,280
discussion we have tonight, but I do

2091
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,120
feel like of applications that we could

2092
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:35,160
get besides the fact that this has the

2093
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:36,680
you know

2094
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,520
that on this piece of property there

2095
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,640
used to be a restaurant.

2096
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,080
That's the one thing that not the one

2097
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:43,520
thing that is the probably the biggest

2098
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,360
thing that's kind of

2099
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,280
giving me pause.

2100
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:48,480
Um

2101
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:52,000
if this were

2102
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,760
I mean they're here they're running a

2103
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,080
business

2104
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,080
a restaurant

2105
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,720
that's valued

2106
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,400
they're going to create more housing. I

2107
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:06,190
just feel

2108
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,200
I'd rather this kind of thing happen in

2109
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,000
central commercial than

2110
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,440
uh village commercial.

2111
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:17,190
I guess.

2112
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,680
Anyway, just my two cents that

2113
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,440
if that's really a conversation that the

2114
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:23,400
council wants to have is that maybe we

2115
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,840
need to relook at

2116
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,600
transient lodging all together.

2117
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,880
>> Yeah, because to just every two years

2118
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,600
accept applications knowing we're going

2119
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,520
to turn them down because we don't want

2120
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:40,640
any more transient lodging is

2121
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,680
not really fair to the applicants but um

2122
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,120
let's vote on this this application we

2123
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:48,320
have

2124
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,240
in front of us and uh

2125
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:59,950
see where it goes.

2126
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:01,360
» Okay, hold on.

2127
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,630
I'm getting there.

2128
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,160
» I'll float [clears throat] this and

2129
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:09,760
>> Sure.

2130
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,200
>> Hello, are you okay with Pat? Yeah, go

2131
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:12,800
ahead Pat.

2132
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,560
>> No, please he doesn't she was going to

2133
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:20,910
wing it.

2134
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:22,960
» You can still make a proposal and vote

2135
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,120
against it, right?

2136
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:26,760
>> Yeah, you'll you'll make a motion and

2137
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,080
we'll either vote

2138
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,040
>> Yeah, you can

2139
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,720
>> You can vote no on your own.

2140
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,320
But the motion has to pass.

2141
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,480
>> It's kind of intuitive, but all right.

2142
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:37,040
Uh the Town Council has reviewed and

2143
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,160
approves the request for transient

2144
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,640
lodging overlay zone at 975 Zion Park

2145
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:42,920
Boulevard, Springdale, based on the

2146
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,240
following findings.

2147
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:46,520
And I'm drawing

2148
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,600
um much of this from planning and then

2149
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,600
I'm going to add one thing here.

2150
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,120
Under Town Code 10-3-2A,

2151
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,040
this promotes more fully the objectives

2152
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,640
and purposes of the general plan.

2153
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,120
Firstly, the land use and town

2154
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,200
appearance goals sub-goal A,

2155
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:03,720
which reads, "Maintain Springdale's

2156
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,120
identity as a unique village

2157
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,600
within a spectacular scenic setting and

2158
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:10,480
preserves the town's distinctive small

2159
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:14,280
community feel and atmosphere."

2160
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,120
Sub-goal C,

2161
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,080
uh zone changes will only be considered

2162
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,960
for approval if the town finds the

2163
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,560
proposed zone change will clearly

2164
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,120
benefit the town

2165
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,320
by providing more attainable housing

2166
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,120
options for members of the community.

2167
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,360
And sub-goal G, the Town Council will

2168
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,120
revise the land use regulations to

2169
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,840
ensure transient lodging establishments

2170
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,640
help promote the village atmosphere and

2171
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,560
small town scale.

2172
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,360
And I add these two and the general

2173
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,560
housing sub-goals A and B.

2174
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,600
I won't read them into the record, but

2175
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,480
the general plan has them.

2176
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:52,200
And additionally, the zone change meets

2177
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,000
the requirements set forth in Town Code

2178
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,640
10-13F for transient lodging overlay

2179
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:58,760
zone

2180
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,200
and authorizes the mayor to sign.

2181
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:02,720
>> You want to put any conditions in there

2182
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:03,520
like that?

2183
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,160
>> Yes, that there needs to be a bakery in

2184
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:06,699
one of those rooms.

2185
01:26:06,699 --> 01:26:08,080
>> [laughter]

2186
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,760
>> No, I think we really

2187
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,560
talk about conditions. If if yeah, we

2188
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,480
should talk about conditions because I

2189
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:16,680
think it was the Planning Commission was

2190
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:21,440
wise to bring in the 2600 square foot

2191
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:22,160
uh

2192
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,920
footprint give or take

2193
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:25,760
5%

2194
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,760
>> Mhm.

2195
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:28,520
>> I'll accept that.

2196
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:31,680
>> Okay. There was also a condition about

2197
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:38,440
the exterior materials being like an varying

2198
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:41,240
styles or varying materials I think is

2199
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,280
how it was worded.

2200
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,800
>> I have it on the screen here. It says

2201
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,560
the final design submitted for design

2202
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,320
development review must include varying

2203
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,040
external wall panels and exterior design

2204
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,440
elements as shown in the drawings.

2205
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:56,360
>> Yeah, so we kind of want something we

2206
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,560
didn't even really get into that. Like I

2207
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,000
think we would want something similar to

2208
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,240
what they've given us conceptually.

2209
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:04,880
>> I think we can just add the same

2210
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,520
conditions as planning commission, can't

2211
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:07,680
we?

2212
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:09,240
Subject to the same conditions.

2213
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:10,920
>> Yeah, I don't do you guys agree that we

2214
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:12,760
would want to see something we want

2215
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,160
planning commission to to

2216
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:16,760
their DDR that they receive to be

2217
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,880
something similar to what we've kind of

2218
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:19,560
seen.

2219
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:20,240
>> Yeah, I think

2220
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,080
>> the the point that they made about one

2221
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,040
of the long-term rentals

2222
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:25,560
uh much have

2223
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,800
the required deed restriction

2224
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,160
and the other does not require it.

2225
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:32,640
>> I agree with the the other third

2226
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,440
condition. And then are we we did not

2227
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:37,920
get into talking about like do we want

2228
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:43,480
to see the the charging station and bike

2229
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:46,280
rack station? Do we want to see those in

2230
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:47,960
the final DDR?

2231
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:49,160
>> Isn't that part of the parking thing

2232
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,160
though?

2233
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:52,600
>> Well, like Niles said, they're kind of

2234
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,000
proposed, but if we really want to see

2235
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,280
them come through.

2236
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,240
>> They're not requirements for the zone,

2237
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,200
so would it be appropriate to require

2238
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,160
that they built those? Are we able to do

2239
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:10,070
that anyway?

2240
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:11,960
» Yes, so so that as you mentioned mayor,

2241
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:13,920
they're not requirements of the of the

2242
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,480
code

2243
01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:17,800
and so this is is is something kind of

2244
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,440
in addition to the code. So if you want

2245
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:20,800
to require them, you need to make a

2246
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,160
finding on how including them is

2247
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,440
integral to your legislative approval,

2248
01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:27,840
right? Why?

2249
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,480
What

2250
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:31,160
you can't just say hey

2251
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,240
you you need to give me a bakery because

2252
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:33,880
there's there's no

2253
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:35,560
>> But I just did.

2254
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,080
>> Because there's no connection between

2255
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:38,920
requiring a bakery and what you're

2256
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,640
trying to promote the code. So with with

2257
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,200
the with the bike rest station and the

2258
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,040
EV charging, you would need to make a

2259
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,360
finding that that somehow those are

2260
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,360
linked to the

2261
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,480
standards for

2262
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,920
the the transient lodging overlay zone.

2263
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,640
So for example, you could you could say

2264
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,960
well we we find that um

2265
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,830
section 1013F6

2266
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,800
paragraph A

2267
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,560
uh

2268
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:11,040
three talks about the the fact that

2269
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,040
transient lodging overlay or excuse me

2270
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,200
transient lodging facilities need to

2271
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:17,080
um

2272
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,600
give back to the community with more

2273
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:20,840
than just tax revenue and you could say

2274
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,560
well by providing

2275
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,000
charging stations and a bike rest

2276
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,240
station, that's an example of doing

2277
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:26,920
that, right? So my my point is you have

2278
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:28,000
to make that connection. You can't just

2279
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,240
require random things out of the blue.

2280
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:31,480
But if you wanted those things, you

2281
01:29:31,480 --> 01:29:32,640
would need to make a connection to the

2282
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,560
requirements of the of the ordinance.

2283
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,400
>> I like that connection. I like that

2284
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:37,360
addition.

2285
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:38,600
>> Okay.

2286
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,040
>> I agree in the fact that he just knew

2287
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,320
exactly which paragraph to go to like I

2288
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,040
the Tom's understanding of the code is

2289
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:51,430
always like I admire you. So thank you.

2290
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:53,200
» So can you say that or does Pat have to

2291
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,400
say that?

2292
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,040
Can we say what he said?

2293
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,720
>> Well, if the council wants to include

2294
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,960
that as as part of the motion, yes.

2295
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:03,440
>> Well, it's Pat's motion so it's up to

2296
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:04,520
him.

2297
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,000
What you said.

2298
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:06,880
Can we do that?

2299
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,560
>> Does that work? I like that, Pat.

2300
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,920
>> I like it. I think it I think it does

2301
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,880
add to the application. You know, it's

2302
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,760
it is thoughtful. It's a thoughtful

2303
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,840
design and it will um

2304
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,720
you know, just exactly like the code

2305
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,800
says, it will give back to the community

2306
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:31,040
in more than tax dollars, so.

2307
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,720
>> So, I think we have a motion. Do we have

2308
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:33,320
a second?

2309
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:34,200
>> I'll second.

2310
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:35,880
>> We've got a motion by Pat and a second

2311
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,040
by Randy.

2312
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:39,480
>> Pat, I.

2313
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:40,400
>> Barbara, I.

2314
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:41,240
>> Jack, no.

2315
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,710
>> Kyle, I.

2316
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,720
» Motion passes.

2317
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,960
Next item on the agenda

2318
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,800
is another public hearing. We'll follow

2319
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:53,320
the same process.

2320
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,400
Uh review of an opportunity for public

2321
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,720
comment regarding proposed compensation

2322
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,200
increases for Springdale executive

2323
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,200
municipal officers.

2324
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:06,840
Um I guess Tom, you'll be the staff con-

2325
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,920
contacts since Don's not here, so we'll

2326
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:10,600
start with an introduction and

2327
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,240
explanation.

2328
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:15,000
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um yeah, Don is at a

2329
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,480
conference today, so she's asked me to

2330
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:18,560
present this on her behalf.

2331
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:19,480
Um

2332
01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:22,800
recently the state law changed such that

2333
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,160
prior to granting any increase in

2334
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,200
compensation for executive municipal

2335
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,440
officers, the council must first hold a

2336
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:32,360
public hearing and allow public comment.

2337
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:36,240
Um there's no action that's required as part of this agenda item. All you're

2338
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:37,960
doing is is holding a public hearing to

2339
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,240
allow the community to express comments

2340
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,440
about the proposed salary increases.

2341
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,240
Any action that you want to take on this

2342
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,200
will be um included in the next item,

2343
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,080
which is the final budget. These um

2344
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,080
proposed increases are included in the

2345
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:56,320
final budget. Um and so if you are are

2346
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:57,840
in favor, then

2347
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,800
acting on the final budget will will

2348
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,560
enact those increases. Um should you

2349
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,080
choose to modify or change those, we

2350
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:05,520
would need to to make a modification or

2351
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,840
change in the in the next item, which is

2352
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,120
the budget.

2353
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,440
Um, just as background, and this is

2354
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:12,480
explained a little bit in the staff

2355
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:16,120
report as well. Um, the town every year

2356
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,920
gives two increases to all employees.

2357
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,000
One is the cost of living adjustment,

2358
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,720
um, and that's given to all employees.

2359
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,560
The other is a merit increase, and

2360
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,480
that's given to those employees who who

2361
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:29,760
qualify based on their performance

2362
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,160
reviews. The total of those two combined

2363
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,560
is 4.55%

2364
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:35,640
this year.

2365
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,720
Again, that increase is available to all

2366
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,200
Springdale town employees.

2367
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,560
The only employees that are showing up

2368
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,080
in this hearing are those that are

2369
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,720
defined by state code as executive

2370
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,640
municipal officers, but the increase

2371
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:49,320
proposed for these for those executive

2372
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,640
municipal officers is the same as the

2373
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,040
increase that is general to all

2374
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,280
Springdale employees. Um, but these are

2375
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:56,720
the only ones that require a special

2376
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,000
hearing.

2377
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,440
>> Where does the COLA amount come from?

2378
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:03,760
>> Um, we usually try to base that on the,

2379
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:04,960
um,

2380
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,400
the the CPI.

2381
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:09,800
Um, and and

2382
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:11,080
sometimes we're

2383
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:12,520
a little bit lower, sometimes we're a

2384
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,200
little bit above. This year it's a a

2385
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:18,360
2.5% COLA and a 2% merit, but when you

2386
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,240
stack them together, it's turns out to

2387
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:21,680
be 4.55%.

2388
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,360
>> 2.5 cost of living allowance seems a

2389
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,840
little low with where inflation is, but

2390
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,200
the numbers are the numbers. So.

2391
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,760
>> Yeah, so I mean, so the CPI is based on

2392
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:32,840
last year, and that doesn't affect that

2393
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:34,400
doesn't account for the the recent

2394
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,040
dramatic increases in inflation. So,

2395
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,040
next year's COLA will likely be higher

2396
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,520
to reflect the the current, um,

2397
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,360
increases in in inflation.

2398
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,600
>> You said it's CPI. Which which reference

2399
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:51,920
CPI? CPIW, CPIE, which is it?

2400
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,400
>> That would be a Dawn question, and I'm

2401
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,320
not positive.

2402
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,040
Um,

2403
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:58,840
>> I just I I was just curious cuz CPI

2404
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,000
doesn't mean anything to to the

2405
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:01,579
attachment on it.

2406
01:34:01,579 --> 01:34:02,120
>> [clears throat]

2407
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,480
>> I I'm wrestled with this merit increase.

2408
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:09,990
I guess everybody gets a merit increase.

2409
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:13,080
» So [clears throat] the the merit

2410
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:16,000
Yes, there there it's up to a 2% merit

2411
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:17,160
increase

2412
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:19,400
based on on the

2413
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,600
performance evaluations. An employee can

2414
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,800
qualify for zero,

2415
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,840
1% or 2% based on on some metrics that

2416
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,160
we have on on how they do their jobs.

2417
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,560
>> And and

2418
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:32,600
the math works out the same so it

2419
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,000
doesn't matter.

2420
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,800
But the merit increase is

2421
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,920
should be initiated first based on past

2422
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:40,440
performance.

2423
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:43,240
Then there's a new base and then the 2.5

2424
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:44,680
is

2425
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,320
on the new base, correct? Even though it

2426
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,120
reads the opposite.

2427
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,320
It reads it to get the 2.5 first and

2428
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,520
then the merit afterwards.

2429
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:55,960
Mathematically it works out the same but

2430
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,360
the actual in practice, the merit goes

2431
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:02,360
first and then the cola. Correct?

2432
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,920
>> I think they're just using the 4.55

2433
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:06,680
number on the current base.

2434
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:08,000
>> matter which goes It doesn't matter cuz

2435
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,160
the number works out the same but I'm

2436
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,440
just curious about the system.

2437
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:13,480
>> Yeah, and I apologize that was probably

2438
01:35:13,480 --> 01:35:16,280
also a dumb question. Um

2439
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,080
but as you point out in it it all comes

2440
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:20,040
out in the wash.

2441
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:20,440
>> matter, right?

2442
01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:21,600
>> Regardless.

2443
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,480
So so in practice, I'm not sure exactly

2444
01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:25,440
how she does it.

2445
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:27,400
>> Tom, will you remind us when the fiscal

2446
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,720
year starts?

2447
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,280
>> Uh July 1st.

2448
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:33,960
>> So these increases would go into effect

2449
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:35,560
July 1st.

2450
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,160
>> The the first pay period after July 1st,

2451
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,040
which I forget what it is this year.

2452
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:41,960
It's July

2453
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,600
I forget the date.

2454
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,160
Um and and

2455
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:48,680
the

2456
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:50,200
To to your question again, Pat, in

2457
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:51,840
addition to the CPI, we also use the

2458
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,960
social security cola as a guideline as

2459
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,040
well. And so it's it's

2460
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,960
>> Oddly enough, the social security cola

2461
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,040
is always higher than CPIW.

2462
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:03,080
Even though it's like a tenth of a

2463
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:04,440
percent.

2464
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:05,600
Because it's

2465
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,800
the social security cola is CPIE, I

2466
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,800
think, for like old person.

2467
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,000
I think that's what it Anyway.

2468
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,120
>> Okay.

2469
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,880
>> So, just one other quick question. Um

2470
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,960
so, even new employees, yourself being

2471
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:21,000
one,

2472
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,640
who have been on the job less than a

2473
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,400
year, would get this increase starting

2474
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,640
July 1.

2475
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,560
>> Uh

2476
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,080
Correct.

2477
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:32,040
Now,

2478
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,320
just a a

2479
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:35,400
kind of

2480
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,040
clarification to that. We've we've

2481
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,760
recently had

2482
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,160
um some some

2483
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:41,960
like within the last few weeks, some

2484
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,120
changes in employee staffing.

2485
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:48,080
Um and and there's some there's some

2486
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:49,520
employees, particularly in the public

2487
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,800
works department, that have have just

2488
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,320
recently changed positions.

2489
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:55,480
Those

2490
01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:56,120
um

2491
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:59,160
the the salaries for those individuals

2492
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,960
included proactively these these salary

2493
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,880
adjustments, just so we didn't have to

2494
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,000
adjust salary once and then do it turn

2495
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,160
around and do it do it again. But

2496
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,280
in in in in general, yes, you the answer

2497
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:14,040
to your question is this is um

2498
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:17,400
applicable to all employees.

2499
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,000
>> But you're kind of getting your merit

2500
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,600
pay based on your previous

2501
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,720
uh activity in your previous role that

2502
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,400
kind of is carrying over into your new

2503
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:28,800
role.

2504
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,800
Because I think Jack's point is like how

2505
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,360
can you have merit when you've not been

2506
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,600
doing the job yet? Is that kind of what

2507
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:36,080
you're saying? Yeah.

2508
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:36,600
>> Okay.

2509
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:38,400
>> Yeah, it's following you from your

2510
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,560
previous position.

2511
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:41,520
>> Yeah.

2512
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,560
>> The performance evaluation is on the

2513
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,400
past performance and that's what

2514
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:48,400
triggers the the merit increase, so it

2515
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:49,880
is based on

2516
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:51,400
the old job, the amount is based on

2517
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:52,760
performance.

2518
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:53,480
>> But it's in the

2519
01:37:53,480 --> 01:37:55,840
>> But it's on the new salary.

2520
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:00,310
Yeah.

2521
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,960
» Yeah. So, again, this these are

2522
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,040
the the council is is welcome to make

2523
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:11,310
changes or amendments to this. This is the purpose of of this hearing.

2524
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,720
» So, um any other clarifying questions

2525
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,320
for staff?

2526
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:17,400
From council?

2527
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:18,720
How about people in the audience? Any

2528
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,280
clarifying questions?

2529
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:22,240
Okay.

2530
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,040
Uh why don't we get a motion to open

2531
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:25,800
public hearing?

2532
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,480
>> I move that we open the public hearing.

2533
01:38:27,480 --> 01:38:28,360
>> I'll second it.

2534
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,040
>> Motion by Kyla, second by Pat.

2535
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:31,360
>> Pat, I. Randy, I.

2536
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:32,880
>> Barbara, I.

2537
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:39,910
Kyla, I.

2538
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,160
» Lisa Zumft, thanks for the conversation

2539
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,040
you guys had, the questions you asked.

2540
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,880
Um I think that if you are

2541
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:52,000
confused or concerned about the way the

2542
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:55,000
policy is written, that perhaps you

2543
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,080
should um consider accepting the policy

2544
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,040
as it is, accept the budget

2545
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,960
recommendations this year, work with

2546
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,120
staff to clarify the policy so that

2547
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:05,640
you're not having to ask the same

2548
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,880
questions again for the future. Um

2549
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,080
because I think that

2550
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,640
the way this policy is written, I think

2551
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,720
staff are reading it the way it's been

2552
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:17,040
proposed, and um it would be very

2553
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:20,000
difficult to try to clean that up right

2554
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,720
now tonight for the next year.

2555
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,870
>> Thank you.

2556
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:30,990
Other comments?

2557
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,200
» Uh oh, I figured me out.

2558
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:33,360
>> Okay.

2559
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:34,978
>> The bike ambassador's not on here.

2560
01:39:34,978 --> 01:39:35,840
[laughter]

2561
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,760
>> Motion to close public hearing.

2562
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,080
>> I move that we close the close the

2563
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:40,280
public hearing.

2564
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:41,000
>> I'll second it.

2565
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:42,840
>> Motion by Kyla, second by

2566
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:43,920
>> And I, Randy Young.

2567
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:44,920
>> Barbara.

2568
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:45,640
>> Jack, I.

2569
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,920
>> Kyla, I.

2570
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,680
ran deliberation.

2571
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:52,120
>> So, you actually don't need to take any

2572
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:52,640
action or

2573
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:54,640
>> Oh, we're not taking action so, okay.

2574
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:56,360
So, that's that's the end of that public

2575
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,880
hearing. The next public hearing then is

2576
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:02,600
resolution 2026-07,

2577
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,440
review and possible adoption of the

2578
01:40:04,440 --> 01:40:08,280
fiscal year 2026 to 2027 municipal

2579
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:09,920
budget for the town of Springdale and

2580
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,640
this will be Tom, also.

2581
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:14,600
>> Thank you, Mayor. As the council is

2582
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:15,720
aware,

2583
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,160
and as just clarified, our fiscal budget

2584
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:20,800
year starts on July 1st and state law

2585
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,360
requires the council to adopt a final

2586
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,000
budget by

2587
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,800
June 30th in anticipation of this new

2588
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,480
fiscal year.

2589
01:40:29,480 --> 01:40:31,840
So, the the

2590
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,200
what's the action that's before you

2591
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,440
tonight is the final proposed final

2592
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:38,480
budget for fiscal year 26-27.

2593
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:41,080
The council has already reviewed this

2594
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:44,520
budget on on three different occasions.

2595
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,600
One is at the January capital priorities

2596
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:48,640
meeting.

2597
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,200
The next is at the April budget work

2598
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:51,920
session where details on proposed

2599
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:53,920
expenditures and spending were presented

2600
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,400
to the council and finally last month at

2601
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:59,320
the in May at the when the council

2602
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,680
adopted the tentative budget

2603
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:02,760
that

2604
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,280
finalized the

2605
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,520
proposed expenditures and spending for

2606
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,160
each department.

2607
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,720
The final budget is identical to the

2608
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,920
tentative budget with some slight

2609
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,160
adjustments and those are outlined in

2610
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,440
the staff report. If there are questions

2611
01:41:18,440 --> 01:41:19,680
about those, I can answer those, but

2612
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:21,480
essentially what what you're acting on

2613
01:41:21,480 --> 01:41:24,000
tonight is is the same in terms of

2614
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,600
priorities and expenditures

2615
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,720
as what was presented in the tentative

2616
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,120
budget.

2617
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:31,440
I'm just

2618
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:32,600
to

2619
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:34,120
read it into the record, although it's

2620
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:37,040
all in the in the details. Just so so

2621
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,520
it's on the record. I'd like to just

2622
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:41,640
read from each of the different funds

2623
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,360
the total budgeted amounts, and so

2624
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,720
that's that's all in the record. So,

2625
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:46,960
this is going to be a lot of facts and

2626
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,960
figures for a second. I apologize, um

2627
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:51,920
but I think it's important to read this.

2628
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,320
Um the town has the the town's budget is

2629
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:55,960
comprised comprised of eight major

2630
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:57,920
funds. The first is the general fund.

2631
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,040
This is our operating fund that funds

2632
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:02,480
town operations. By law, this fund is

2633
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,320
required to balance every year. Um this

2634
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:07,960
year our projected revenues and

2635
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:15,070
expenditures are balanced at $6,307,838.

2636
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,040
Um the town has two capital projects

2637
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,040
funds. These funds are like savings

2638
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,680
accounts. We put money into these funds

2639
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:23,880
for specific projects, and then those as

2640
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:27,280
those projects are are um executed, we

2641
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,040
pull money out across different budget

2642
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,080
years. Um and so, these funds don't need

2643
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:33,360
to budget because we oftentimes put more

2644
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,080
we front-load them with money and then

2645
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:37,560
gradually pull them out. Um we have two

2646
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:39,120
of these capital projects funds. The

2647
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:40,560
first is the parks capital projects

2648
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,080
fund. This year we are proposing um

2649
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:47,750
revenue of $118,087.

2650
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:48,680
Um

2651
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,040
expenditures this year are considerably

2652
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,840
more than that. That's 1. 1,3 uh

2653
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,840
1,368,000.

2654
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,200
Um the reason for the large disparity is

2655
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:01,120
because we already put a bunch of money

2656
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:03,280
into that fund last year in anticipation

2657
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:05,800
of the River Park expansion project.

2658
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,880
Um and so, that's why there's such a a

2659
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:09,520
big expense there.

2660
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,800
Our streets capital projects fund, uh

2661
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,640
we're projecting $110,000 in revenue,

2662
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,920
and again expenses in excess of that at

2663
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,240
$465,000.

2664
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:22,640
Those expenses are for uh the Quail

2665
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:26,400
Ridge to uh Church segment of the

2666
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,520
uh road shoulder paving and sidewalk.

2667
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,760
And also the um design of the Big

2668
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,480
Springs Road reconstruction.

2669
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:37,520
In addition to those funds we have

2670
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,240
five enterprise funds. These are

2671
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:40,800
business funds

2672
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:42,720
and and so they they they don't need to

2673
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,760
balance every year. They act more like a business.

2674
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,000
These are our our utility funds. So

2675
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,000
first the irrigation fund we're showing

2676
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,680
or projecting revenue of $162,405

2677
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:57,790
and expenditures of $160,664.

2678
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,040
Our water fund with projected revenue of

2679
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,440
$2 million

2680
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:03,840
$47,508

2681
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:09,830
and expenditures of $1,977,892.

2682
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,640
Our sewer fund with projected revenue of

2683
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,350
$834,842

2684
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:21,870
and expenditures of $1,057,693.

2685
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,240
And then our final two funds are the

2686
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:25,960
Municipal Building Authority Fund.

2687
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:27,800
That's the fund that is paying the debt

2688
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:29,480
service on this building and also the

2689
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:31,200
lion's share of all of our property.

2690
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:32,920
Revenue on that fund is projected to be

2691
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:35,520
$249,980

2692
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:39,550
and expenditures of $245,480.

2693
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:40,920
And then finally our transportation

2694
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,520
fund. This is the fund where parking

2695
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:46,400
revenue and goes and and other

2696
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,480
transportation related funds

2697
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:50,520
money goes into that like our

2698
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:52,160
road funds.

2699
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:56,080
Expected revenue of $1,258,500

2700
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:00,830
and expenditures of $1,030,045.

2701
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:02,520
So thank you for bearing with me on on

2702
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:03,800
that uh

2703
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,560
reading of of the fund balances.

2704
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,200
Not fund balances but but fund revenues

2705
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:09,720
and expenditures.

2706
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:11,560
So again what the the council's action

2707
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:13,280
on this tonight is to review the final

2708
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,520
budget, um make any adjustments as

2709
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,400
necessary. If the council

2710
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,760
finds that these expenditures are in

2711
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:22,240
line with your priorities, you should

2712
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:25,200
approve resolution 2026-07

2713
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:27,600
which would adopt the final budget.

2714
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,720
If you want changes or revisions to

2715
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:32,240
that, we can make those tonight or it

2716
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,840
probably be um wiser to suggest areas

2717
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:36,480
that need revision and direct staff to

2718
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:38,360
make those. That would require

2719
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:39,920
scheduling a separate meeting for you to

2720
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:41,840
adopt the final budget because again,

2721
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,600
this has to be done by June 30th.

2722
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:47,440
Any questions?

2723
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:49,280
>> Let me just say I'm anxious for tonight

2724
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:50,953
to be over.

2725
01:45:50,953 --> 01:45:51,720
>> [laughter]

2726
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,520
>> Any questions of staff?

2727
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,150
>> Oh.

2728
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,270
Uh I guess not.

2729
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:00,760
» Okay.

2730
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,240
Any questions from the audience?

2731
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:05,320
Clarifying questions for staff?

2732
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,120
Motion to open public hearing.

2733
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:11,120
>> I move that we open the public hearing.

2734
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:12,280
>> I'll second.

2735
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,680
>> A motion by Kyla, second by Pat.

2736
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:16,480
>> Pat, I.

2737
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:17,120
>> Randy, I.

2738
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:17,920
>> Barbara, I.

2739
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:18,640
>> Jack, I.

2740
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:20,880
>> Kyla, I.

2741
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:27,310
>> You all know the drill.

2742
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:30,200
» At the uh go keeper, uh at the meeting

2743
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,440
that uh was a couple weeks ago,

2744
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:35,440
we [clears throat] talked about um

2745
01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:39,360
the lot next door uh and uh what the

2746
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,920
plan was. At but the thing that

2747
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,640
concerned me that I heard was that the

2748
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:46,840
parking revenue

2749
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:47,760
uh

2750
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:50,320
coming off of Lions Boulevard

2751
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:53,440
is also being sent to the state

2752
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:54,800
as

2753
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,600
cuz the parking on Highway 9 was being

2754
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,560
sent to the state. Is there a way that

2755
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,320
we can not send the parking for Lions

2756
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:06,520
Boulevard to the state?

2757
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,120
>> You want to clarify that, Tom?

2758
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:09,600
>> Sure. Yeah, I apologize for the

2759
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,160
confusion. We don't send any parking

2760
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:12,800
revenue to the state.

2761
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,240
Um the state requires us to use parking

2762
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:17,080
revenue generated on SR 9 for

2763
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:19,280
transportation-related projects here in

2764
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:20,600
Springdale. We retain all of those

2765
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:22,840
funds, but our agreement with the state

2766
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:25,720
is that those funds from SR9 parking

2767
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:27,120
must be used on transport related

2768
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:29,160
transportation related projects.

2769
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:32,080
We've adopted the same policy for Lion

2770
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,200
Boulevard parking. We're not required to

2771
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,080
by the state, but that's our policy. But

2772
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:37,800
all of those funds are retained locally

2773
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,440
for local transportation improvement

2774
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,880
projects. None of it goes to the state.

2775
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:43,920
>> Can we use those funds for something

2776
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:45,040
else?

2777
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:46,600
>> The funds collected on Lion Boulevard,

2778
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,800
yes. The funds collected on SR9, no.

2779
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:51,760
>> Okay.

2780
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,080
That's all I ask is that we look at what

2781
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,120
other expenditures do we do we have that

2782
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:59,840
might be able to better use those funds.

2783
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,800
>> Thank you.

2784
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,880
Other comments?

2785
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:10,630
Okay. Motion to close public hearing.

2786
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:13,040
I will second. Got a motion by Randy and

2787
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:14,280
a second by Kyla.

2788
01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:14,960
>> Can I?

2789
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:15,520
>> Randy, I.

2790
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:16,240
>> Barbara, I.

2791
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:16,920
>> Chuck, I.

2792
01:48:16,920 --> 01:48:17,960
>> Kyla, I.

2793
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:18,840
>> I.

2794
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:20,720
>> Do we need to talk any more about this

2795
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:22,520
budget or we good to go?

2796
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:26,390
We've discussed it a lot.

2797
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:33,270
If good to go, I'd entertain a motion.

2798
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:33,560
» I'll make

2799
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,760
>> Well, let me just say

2800
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,960
I think that what we just discussed as

2801
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:41,080
far as

2802
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:43,600
the employee side of this is a pretty

2803
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:47,280
big flaw that needs to be corrected.

2804
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,160
And I don't know if that has to be

2805
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:54,960
rolled into this approval or not, but um

2806
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:56,840
I I think that's kind of a a pretty

2807
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:58,840
glaring flaw.

2808
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,560
>> That is probably a separate issue

2809
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,800
because that'll be a policy for um we

2810
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:06,800
can direct staff to look at that policy

2811
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,280
and make changes.

2812
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:11,160
But I think that it's separate from this

2813
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,120
year's budget since we already discussed

2814
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:14,360
>> So, I guess we're saying we're going to

2815
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,080
since it's rolled into this budget,

2816
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:17,200
we'll just go with it.

2817
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:18,320
>> It's I mean

2818
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:19,840
>> Well, more more than it's rolled into

2819
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:20,320
the budget.

2820
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,200
>> That's the policy, right? The policy is

2821
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:25,560
that if you've worked here, your merit

2822
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:27,160
follows you.

2823
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:32,880
And that's the way that it's been and for us to just on a whim

2824
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:34,680
make that change.

2825
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,960
>> No, I I'm referring to compensation for

2826
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:39,560
new employees

2827
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,560
that are eligible

2828
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:43,880
for a pretty significant increase really

2829
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:45,800
in a matter of months.

2830
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:46,960
>> You're talking about people in new

2831
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,040
roles.

2832
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:48,520
>> Yes.

2833
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:49,600
>> Yeah. Okay.

2834
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,440
>> Getting getting their merit.

2835
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:51,800
>> Yes.

2836
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:52,240
>> Okay.

2837
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,200
>> So, I'm I'm I'm sorry. Let me I may have

2838
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:57,480
misspoke. You Are you talking There's two scenarios. One is an

2839
01:49:57,480 --> 01:49:59,160
employee an existing employee changes

2840
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:00,960
roles and there's another scenario where

2841
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,560
a new employee comes and um

2842
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,240
is from outside the town to to fill a

2843
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,200
vacancy.

2844
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:11,120
Um

2845
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:13,360
my unders- I I'll have to clarify this

2846
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,800
with with with Don or maybe one of the

2847
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:17,160
other department managers can can

2848
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:19,080
clarify this for me.

2849
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:20,800
When when an employee is on probation,

2850
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:21,880
which is their first 6 months, they're

2851
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:24,880
not eligible for a an increase.

2852
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,080
And and and so that's

2853
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:28,360
uh employees that have have been with

2854
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:29,640
the town for less than 6 months would

2855
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,200
not be eligible for those increases.

2856
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:34,040
Um

2857
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:35,000
Does that Does that clarify

2858
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:36,720
>> Well, no. I I appreciate We're just

2859
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:38,200
trying to understand it. That's why I

2860
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:39,080
asked you [laughter] before the fiscal

2861
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:39,960
year started.

2862
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:42,200
>> I think your concern is someone's in a

2863
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:44,640
new role and hasn't hasn't really

2864
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:46,400
demonstrated performance yet in that

2865
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,560
role and so

2866
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:50,440
this could be corrected for next year,

2867
01:50:50,440 --> 01:50:52,040
but right now they're being evaluated

2868
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:53,920
for their performance in their previous

2869
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:55,960
role, but still with the town.

2870
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:58,350
So.

2871
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:01,000
Anything else?

2872
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:06,270
Is there a motion to approve the budget?

2873
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,080
Do it.

2874
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:09,440
>> Town Council has reviewed and approves

2875
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:12,280
resolution 2026-07,

2876
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:14,200
a resolution adopting

2877
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:15,760
an annual budget of revenues and

2878
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,400
expenditures for the various funds of

2879
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,120
the town of Springdale for the fiscal

2880
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:22,680
year ending June 30th, 2027, and

2881
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,160
authorizes the mayor to sign.

2882
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:26,160
>> I'll second.

2883
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:28,200
>> Motion by Pat, second by Kyla.

2884
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:28,880
>> Pat, I.

2885
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:29,520
>> Andrea,

2886
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:30,720
>> Barbara, I.

2887
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:32,680
>> Kyla, I.

2888
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:35,720
>> Next item is our favorite subject,

2889
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:41,040
wildland urban interface code ordinance, 2026-13,

2890
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,600
adopting state wildland urban interface

2891
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:46,680
code and a wildland urban interface zone

2892
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:48,880
for the town of Springdale. And staff

2893
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,200
contact is Tom. This is not a public

2894
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:54,070
hearing.

2895
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,240
» Um thank you, Mary. Um

2896
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:57,960
as you mentioned, this is this item is

2897
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:00,400
the wildland interface code,

2898
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:01,800
and as you mentioned, that the town has

2899
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:03,640
spent quite a bit of time

2900
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:05,160
um discussing this already. The planning

2901
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:06,920
commission has has discussed this

2902
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:08,520
several times. The town council has

2903
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,760
discussed this in previous meetings.

2904
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:12,520
Town has hosted a couple of community

2905
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:15,240
engagement and and education efforts

2906
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:17,720
regarding this topic, um and we're now

2907
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:19,360
at a point um

2908
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:21,920
for the town to take action on this.

2909
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:25,440
There are two elements um that I think are

2910
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:27,960
important to to to differentiate in this

2911
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,120
action. One is the

2912
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:33,040
wildland urban interface code,

2913
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,480
and the second is associated with that,

2914
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:35,400
we have to

2915
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:39,160
adopt a wildland interface zone boundary

2916
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:40,480
map.

2917
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:41,400
Um

2918
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:43,960
now, we are required we are mandated by

2919
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,200
the state to adopt the wildland urban

2920
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:49,040
interface code and a specific version of

2921
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:50,280
the code.

2922
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,200
There's there's no discretion in the

2923
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:54,760
from the council to change the wording

2924
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:56,840
of the code or to to modify certain

2925
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:58,320
provisions of the code. We we have to

2926
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:01,320
adopt that code as is.

2927
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,200
Um

2928
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:05,000
on the other hand, with the wildland

2929
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,680
urban interface zone boundary map, the

2930
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:10,360
town does have discretion to determine

2931
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:12,120
where that

2932
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:14,440
boundary is drawn, how that map is

2933
01:53:14,440 --> 01:53:15,960
configured.

2934
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:20,280
So, just again, the the code wildland

2935
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:21,960
urban interface code says, here are the

2936
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,920
requirements for properties that are in

2937
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:27,400
the wildland urban interface.

2938
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:28,400
Here's how you need to build your

2939
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:29,840
building, here are the defensible space

2940
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:33,360
requirements. That is non-negotiable.

2941
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:33,960
Um [snorts]

2942
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:35,840
the the what those code requirements

2943
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,510
are.

2944
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:40,400
A few questions that have come up with

2945
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,800
regard to that is, well, what what does

2946
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:44,520
that mean for properties that are now in

2947
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:48,720
the wildland urban interface area?

2948
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:51,080
Do are do are these properties now going

2949
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:52,760
to have to go back and if they have a

2950
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:54,160
non-compliant roof material, for

2951
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:56,440
example, re-roof their their property?

2952
01:53:56,440 --> 01:53:57,800
Um

2953
01:53:57,800 --> 01:53:59,760
the code is forward-looking. So, if you

2954
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:04,190
are non-compliant

2955
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:05,840
with building materials or

2956
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:07,560
ignition-resistant materials or or

2957
01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:09,560
construction, you don't need to make any

2958
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,240
changes to your property. Once you

2959
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:13,880
propose development or additions to your

2960
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:15,280
property, yes, then you would need to

2961
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:17,200
come into compliance with that code.

2962
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,960
The exception to that is the defensible

2963
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:23,000
space requirement of the code.

2964
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,440
If a property is non-compliant with the

2965
01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:28,200
defensible space requirement,

2966
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,120
um that property will need or would need

2967
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:32,800
to come to become to brought into

2968
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:34,680
compliance with with the defensible

2969
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:36,280
space requirements.

2970
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:37,600
As we've learned in previous

2971
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:39,160
presentations, that does not mean cut

2972
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:41,680
down every tree on your property. Um

2973
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:44,040
that may mean trimming uh limbing up

2974
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:45,840
your your your trees to 6 ft off the

2975
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,120
ground, separating the crowns of trees

2976
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:49,840
to have separation from your 10 ft of

2977
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:51,440
separation from your home to the crown

2978
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:53,320
of the trees, things like that.

2979
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:55,800
Um so, that that portion of the code you

2980
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:57,600
would need to comply with.

2981
01:54:57,600 --> 01:54:59,440
What is the consequence for a property

2982
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:01,960
owner who who says, well, gosh, I'm I'm

2983
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:05,640
not going to to come into compliance or or what are you going to do about it?

2984
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:07,360
Well, that would be a code enforcement

2985
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,520
issue subject to the town's typical code

2986
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:12,480
enforcement process.

2987
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:14,280
Um so that's that's a little bit about

2988
01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:16,280
the the code.

2989
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:17,280
Um

2990
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:18,680
also that that

2991
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:20,600
some background on on the map. Now the

2992
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,040
map is where again where you have some

2993
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:24,680
discretion on choosing where that the

2994
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:26,720
boundaries of that of the map should be

2995
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:28,600
and and the the purpose of the map again

2996
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:30,120
is to say here are the properties that

2997
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:31,520
are subject to the requirements of the

2998
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,960
wildland urban interface code.

2999
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:35,880
Um

3000
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:38,120
For Utah Forestry Fire and State Lands,

3001
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:39,520
which is the the state agency that's

3002
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:42,240
kind of managing wildfire mitigation and

3003
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:44,560
manages the the the wildland urban

3004
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,440
interface as applied to to properties,

3005
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:47,760
they've developed some online mapping

3006
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:51,120
tools to assist the town on where that

3007
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,280
the wildland urban interface zone should

3008
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,480
be drawn. And according to those tools

3009
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:57,160
and the direction from Forestry Fire and

3010
01:55:57,160 --> 01:55:59,560
State Lands, the entire town should be

3011
01:55:59,560 --> 01:56:02,760
in the wildland urban interface zone.

3012
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:04,480
We've pushed back on that with with help

3013
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,160
from the Hurricane Valley Fire

3014
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:07,200
Protection District, we said that

3015
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:08,880
doesn't make a lot of sense. There are

3016
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,360
areas in town that that legitimately

3017
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:12,480
should be in the wildland urban

3018
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:14,000
interface zone. There are areas that

3019
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,920
probably don't. Um and so we worked with

3020
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:20,000
um with Dave Harmon from from Hurricane

3021
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:23,160
Valley Fire to identify

3022
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:28,800
where these areas of of high risk uh for wildfire are

3023
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:32,200
and used used metrics like uh the type

3024
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,200
of vegetation on properties, um

3025
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:37,080
flat combustible vegetation versus

3026
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,480
non-combustible vegetation, the density

3027
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,680
of vegetation on properties, the density

3028
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:44,200
of structures on properties, um the

3029
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:46,400
proximity of structures to combustible

3030
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:49,520
vegetation, slopes and terrain. All of

3031
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:52,880
these factors were were analyzed um in

3032
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:55,360
determining what the local Springdale's

3033
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:58,200
local wildland urban interface boundary

3034
01:56:58,200 --> 01:56:59,640
should be.

3035
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:01,120
Um

3036
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:02,080
Now,

3037
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:04,320
keep in mind that that wildland urban

3038
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,960
interface zone boundary is not an

3039
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,400
indication where a wildfire is going to

3040
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:12,560
magically stop once it starts.

3041
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:14,360
W- obviously once a wildfire starts in

3042
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:15,720
the community, it's going to go wherever

3043
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:17,080
it's going to go.

3044
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:18,640
The purpose of the zone boundary is to

3045
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:21,800
say these are the properties that would

3046
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:24,000
benefit from the additional wildfire

3047
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,920
mitigation strategies contained in the

3048
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:29,760
wildland urban interface code. These are

3049
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:31,480
where we think it's appropriate, these

3050
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:32,360
are the properties where we think it's

3051
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:34,160
appropriate to apply these strategies

3052
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:36,120
because of their elevated risk. This is

3053
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,200
not these properties are safe from

3054
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:39,720
wildfire, these properties are in danger

3055
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:41,280
of wildfire.

3056
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:47,240
Because of that and because of of how the map is drawn and using these um

3057
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:48,680
these factors to determine where the map

3058
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:49,560
goes,

3059
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:53,440
the boundary is a continuous line that

3060
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,560
often time cuts across properties,

3061
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:58,680
sometimes even cuts through buildings on

3062
01:57:58,680 --> 01:57:59,880
a property.

3063
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:01,840
Um and the the the reason for that is

3064
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:03,720
because that's that's where the data is

3065
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:05,240
directing us. That's where the data says

3066
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:07,880
that line should go.

3067
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:09,960
That um has caused some confusion,

3068
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:11,280
that's caused some questions, that's

3069
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:13,040
caused some some concern about well,

3070
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:16,120
gosh, the the the line this this map

3071
01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:17,560
goes halfway through my property, it

3072
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:18,960
goes halfway through my building. Why is

3073
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,920
that? That's ridiculous.

3074
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:23,600
Um we can change that. You you you as as

3075
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:25,160
a council have discretion on how to that

3076
01:58:25,160 --> 01:58:28,520
line is drawn. You could make the the

3077
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:30,360
wildland urban interface zone boundary

3078
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:32,280
follow property lines.

3079
01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:33,800
Um

3080
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:38,080
that is is is a choice you can make.

3081
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:39,800
We recommended against that for a couple

3082
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:42,080
of reasons. One is the wildfire risk

3083
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:43,760
doesn't follow property boundaries.

3084
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:46,720
These these metrics that we we um use to

3085
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,120
develop the the map don't follow

3086
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:49,640
property boundaries.

3087
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:52,040
Um further, that doesn't really resolve

3088
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:54,280
uh an issue of why is the map drawn

3089
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:55,480
here? Why is it going to halfway through

3090
01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:57,920
my property? Then you have the issue of

3091
01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:59,840
hey, my my neighbor's property is in in

3092
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:01,480
the wildland urban interface, but mine's

3093
01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:03,080
not. We're right next to we door to each

3094
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:04,760
other. What what what's the difference?

3095
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:05,600
You're always going to have those

3096
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:07,320
questions about why is the why is the

3097
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:09,920
line drawn where it's drawn?

3098
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:12,160
Um but again, that's for for ease of

3099
01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:13,640
administration and for clarity, that is

3100
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:15,120
an option that you could consider to say

3101
01:59:15,120 --> 01:59:16,360
no, we're going to make this wildland

3102
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:17,560
urban interface

3103
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:21,080
uh zone follow property boundary lines.

3104
01:59:21,080 --> 01:59:22,520
Um

3105
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:24,960
So, and and another thing is we we we

3106
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,680
made this this mapping effort uh over

3107
01:59:27,680 --> 01:59:30,520
the entire town in one effort.

3108
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:32,200
And and we did it um

3109
01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:34,240
in a in a kind of compressed time

3110
01:59:34,240 --> 01:59:35,800
timeline. Because of that, there are

3111
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:38,880
undoubtedly areas or specific properties

3112
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:40,920
where um

3113
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:42,560
that that that that could use some

3114
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,400
refinement. And so, if there there may

3115
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,400
be specific properties that you look at

3116
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:47,880
the map and say, well, gosh, that that

3117
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:50,200
kind of missed the mark based on your

3118
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:52,360
stated goals or stated metrics for why

3119
01:59:52,360 --> 01:59:55,560
you're drawing the the map here, those don't really seem to apply to my

3120
01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:56,560
property. There are probably those

3121
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:58,760
situations that could be refined.

3122
01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:01,000
Um so, I I think there are three options

3123
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:03,000
for the council tonight in terms of

3124
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:06,000
action on this. You can adopt the woo

3125
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,200
code

3126
02:00:07,200 --> 02:00:09,080
and include the entire town of

3127
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:10,760
Springdale in the in the wildland urban

3128
02:00:10,760 --> 02:00:12,920
interface zone boundary.

3129
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:14,520
That's what Forest Tree Fire and State

3130
02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:17,760
Lands would like you to do. Um that is

3131
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:20,160
removes all doubt of why is my property

3132
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:23,600
in and my neighbor's property is out.

3133
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:28,000
That's not I I I I don't think that's a good idea because there are

3134
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:29,960
areas in town that clearly should not be

3135
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:31,320
subject to the wildland urban interface

3136
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:33,880
code. But that's one option for you.

3137
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,400
Um the second option is you can adopt

3138
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:36,920
the wildland urban interface code with

3139
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:39,560
the current map as it's drawn

3140
02:00:39,560 --> 02:00:40,960
and recognize that there might be some

3141
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:43,520
tweaks required to that map.

3142
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,160
>> The map that's in our packet.

3143
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:46,960
>> that's in your packet, correct. You

3144
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:48,840
could adopt it as as drawn in your

3145
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:51,000
packet and then give specific direction

3146
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:52,240
to staff to say, "Look, we're going to

3147
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:53,840
adopt this this this map and this map

3148
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:55,760
will go effective right now, but we

3149
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:57,040
realize that it needs to be tweaked and

3150
02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:58,880
changed and here are the specific things

3151
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:00,480
that we'd like to see changed on that

3152
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,520
map." Give staff direction and we can

3153
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:04,560
come back and have you

3154
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,440
adopt an updated revised map.

3155
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:09,240
The process to adopt an updated revised

3156
02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:11,440
map is pretty pretty clear or or excuse

3157
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:13,080
me, pretty pretty pretty clear-cut,

3158
02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:14,840
pretty straightforward. This isn't like

3159
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:17,200
a land use zone change that has to go

3160
02:01:17,200 --> 02:01:18,920
through the planning commission with

3161
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:20,080
public hearings and through the town

3162
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:21,360
council and needs to meet the land use

3163
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,280
zone change requirements. This is

3164
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:23,960
something that you can do

3165
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:25,920
administratively as a town council just

3166
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:28,000
to say, "Yes, here's our updated map."

3167
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,440
So, that's option two. Adopt the code,

3168
02:01:30,440 --> 02:01:32,280
adopt the map that's in your packets and

3169
02:01:32,280 --> 02:01:33,480
give staff direction on things that

3170
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:35,800
might need to be changed.

3171
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:36,760
Adopt

3172
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:39,080
option number three is to not adopt the

3173
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:41,800
wildland urban interface code tonight

3174
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,160
and say, "We're concerned about this

3175
02:01:43,160 --> 02:01:44,480
map, but we want you to make some big

3176
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:46,400
wholesale changes

3177
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:48,400
um before we adopt it."

3178
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:50,400
I don't recommend doing that either

3179
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,120
because we are under state mandate to

3180
02:01:52,120 --> 02:01:53,760
adopt the wildland urban interface code.

3181
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:55,400
In fact, we're we're 6 months past our

3182
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:56,760
deadline. We were supposed to adopt this

3183
02:01:56,760 --> 02:01:59,360
on by January 1st, 2026.

3184
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:00,800
Um and so, doing that just puts us

3185
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,760
further out of compliance in um

3186
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:06,400
uh complying with the state mandate. So,

3187
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:07,800
I I think those are three options for

3188
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:09,920
you tonight.

3189
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:13,760
>> Ask Chief Decker to weigh in on this.

3190
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:14,720
I I

3191
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:16,040
what I'm as

3192
02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:17,720
personally

3193
02:02:17,720 --> 02:02:19,600
especially interested in hearing from

3194
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:23,680
you is what do you think of this map? I agree. I don't think the whole town

3195
02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:25,160
should be in this zone. Clearly, the

3196
02:02:25,160 --> 02:02:26,800
commercial area isn't going to be

3197
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:29,120
subject to wildfires like like the outer

3198
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:30,760
areas, but

3199
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:32,400
>> Yeah, I've I've spent some time. My

3200
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,080
battalion chief, Dave Harmon, spent a

3201
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:35,720
lot of time working with this and I

3202
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:37,560
spent some time speaking with him about

3203
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:41,360
this particular map last night, today.

3204
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:44,680
And I think the key thing to remember is

3205
02:02:44,680 --> 02:02:46,760
almost saying is is this is your guys'

3206
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:49,440
map. It's this doesn't dictate how the

3207
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:52,040
state is going to look at you with what

3208
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:54,200
I call the House Bill 48 issues where

3209
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:55,400
they're they're coming in designated

3210
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:57,520
high-risk areas. They're charging a fee

3211
02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,240
based off of that.

3212
02:02:59,240 --> 02:03:01,080
They will not look at your map as part

3213
02:03:01,080 --> 02:03:05,000
of that. They look at their own map. The key thing about your map is once you

3214
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:07,080
adopt the Wooey code, those are the

3215
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,680
areas that you have to enforce that

3216
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:11,520
Wooey code on new construction, things

3217
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:13,080
like that.

3218
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:13,880
Um

3219
02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:16,160
my thought is it's a great map. I agree

3220
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:18,040
with a lot of the areas there are in it.

3221
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:20,560
I could pick this thing apart just like

3222
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,680
anybody can, right? But where do you

3223
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:25,720
draw the line on where your Wooey is at

3224
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:27,480
in your community?

3225
02:03:27,480 --> 02:03:29,160
The one nice thing about this is this

3226
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:31,920
gives a tool to the citizens up here to

3227
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,640
be able to mitigate some of their

3228
02:03:33,640 --> 02:03:34,680
issues,

3229
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:37,840
come back and and maybe once a year as a

3230
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:40,400
community we and we would obviously help

3231
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:41,880
with this cuz we do a lot of the fuels

3232
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:45,040
work, look at moving that boundary based

3233
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:48,560
off people that are being proactive and and moving their their property out

3234
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:49,800
of the Wooey.

3235
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:50,800
Um

3236
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:52,320
that is one option the state has not

3237
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:54,400
given us on their maps at all.

3238
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:56,800
But I think it's a good opportunity for

3239
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,360
Springdale in that.

3240
02:03:58,360 --> 02:03:59,920
Um

3241
02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:02,000
the I think the biggest thing like I

3242
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:05,440
said with this particular map is just

3243
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:07,040
enforcing the Wooey code once it's

3244
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:08,360
passed.

3245
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:10,400
There's no reason to pass a code if

3246
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:12,480
you're not going to enforce it.

3247
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:12,840
>> Okay.

3248
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:13,400
>> So

3249
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:16,600
>> The question I have is we could just say

3250
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:18,200
that our zone boundaries that what you

3251
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:20,400
call the town the

3252
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:21,560
town zone boundary

3253
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:22,160
>> Yeah.

3254
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:24,720
>> is precisely what the state code

3255
02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:26,280
requires. We could just say that one

3256
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:28,920
little red spot up on Anasazi

3257
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:31,080
that's that's going to be our zone zone

3258
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:32,640
boundary.

3259
02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:34,280
>> There there is a fourth option you could

3260
02:04:34,280 --> 02:04:35,320
do.

3261
02:04:35,320 --> 02:04:37,720
Um I'm am to bring this up, Tom.

3262
02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:39,600
You could

3263
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:43,320
a pass your map following the state's U

3264
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:45,320
wrap map.

3265
02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:46,560
Which is exactly kind of what you're

3266
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:48,640
saying where you look at their high risk

3267
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:51,760
Louie areas. There's one over by Trees

3268
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:55,800
Ranch, one up by Anasazi. Sorry, Randy.

3269
02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:57,720
Um, I believe one up Oak Creek, Oak

3270
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:00,080
Canyon. There's There's not a bunch of

3271
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:01,920
them in in Springdale. Now, that is

3272
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,000
their high risk.

3273
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:06,640
Their definition between high risk and

3274
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:07,960
Louie are two different things. They're

3275
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:09,640
saying the whole town is in the Louie,

3276
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:11,480
but that's their high risk Louie area.

3277
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:14,080
>> But the GIS mapping link that we were

3278
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:15,880
given, and

3279
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,600
I'm glad we're here.

3280
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:20,320
If you use

3281
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:21,760
that little circle that's going to come

3282
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:22,360
up.

3283
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:26,400
>> Those circles are their high risk Louie.

3284
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:29,440
>> High risk, right. But you use that map,

3285
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:30,960
you take that little circle, zoom in

3286
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:32,560
more if you can,

3287
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:34,560
and come down to the center up come down

3288
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,080
to the river like they

3289
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:42,630
where Oscar's is at. Go there.

3290
02:05:42,640 --> 02:05:43,800
» I don't know how to get rid of this says

3291
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:46,120
high center thing.

3292
02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:49,280
So, this is a confusing map because it

3293
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:51,040
this this center I don't know how to get

3294
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:52,800
rid of this center area.

3295
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:59,510
>> 2,500 ft diameter that circle.

3296
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:00,240
» So,

3297
02:06:00,240 --> 02:06:02,080
there there there's different as there

3298
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:03,920
there's different

3299
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:08,080
uh evaluation metrics on this on this U

3300
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:09,840
wrap viewer.

3301
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,800
The what's shown in this circle is is

3302
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:16,440
one metric. What's shown in these red

3303
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:19,520
blobs here are what uh uh Chief Decker

3304
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:21,560
is referring is is is stated the state

3305
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:24,120
has said these are the high risk Louie

3306
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:25,280
zone areas.

3307
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:27,080
>> They're extreme [snorts] risk Louie

3308
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:28,360
areas, is what they're saying.

3309
02:06:28,360 --> 02:06:29,000
>> But

3310
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:30,920
>> So, everything in the yellow is still

3311
02:06:30,920 --> 02:06:33,080
considered high risk Louie.

3312
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:37,280
and if you pass the map based off of

3313
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:38,280
being

3314
02:06:38,280 --> 02:06:41,040
other than just the extreme then it puts

3315
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:42,640
the whole town of Springdale in

3316
02:06:42,640 --> 02:06:44,440
>> in except for one little spot

3317
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:46,800
>> right

3318
02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:47,880
correct

3319
02:06:47,880 --> 02:06:49,480
>> so if we passed it

3320
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:51,400
>> and this circle is

3321
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:53,880
different than police radio stuff which

3322
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:56,280
uses kind of averages that circle is

3323
02:06:56,280 --> 02:06:58,040
aggregate right so it doesn't matter if

3324
02:06:58,040 --> 02:07:01,120
I'm on the my house has zero likelihood

3325
02:07:01,120 --> 02:07:02,800
of getting fried

3326
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:06,080
but if it's in that circle it's additive

3327
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:08,000
right so I'm still going to be high risk

3328
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:09,800
regardless

3329
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:11,000
correct

3330
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:14,150
>> correct

3331
02:07:14,160 --> 02:07:17,320
» I have a question about um

3332
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:21,200
if the someone was looking at the map

3333
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:22,680
and

3334
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:25,200
they were going to build and

3335
02:07:25,200 --> 02:07:27,240
a portion of their property is in the

3336
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:28,840
Louie so we're I'm talking about the

3337
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:30,480
version of the map that does not like

3338
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:33,360
entire parcels but could cut a parcel in

3339
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:34,480
half

3340
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:36,360
is there something in the code that says

3341
02:07:36,360 --> 02:07:40,760
you have to be 1% in the Louie or 50% in

3342
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:42,200
the Louie before you have to become

3343
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:43,120
compliant

3344
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:45,040
>> if any part of the structure is in the

3345
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:47,040
Louie it has to follow the the Louie

3346
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:47,960
code

3347
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:50,400
if you if so if you have a a property

3348
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:51,920
that's split in half and you build the

3349
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:53,720
whole structure then not a piece of that

3350
02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:55,960
structure is within an inch of that

3351
02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:57,760
Louie what they designate as Louie you

3352
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:59,720
don't have to follow the code

3353
02:07:59,720 --> 02:08:02,120
>> even if I'm not mistaken if my house

3354
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:03,440
isn't

3355
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:05,520
but there are two homes that are and I'm

3356
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:09,400
within I think it's 250 m

3357
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:11,040
of those structures my house is

3358
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:14,790
automatically in

3359
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:16,338
» essentially yes and no

3360
02:08:16,338 --> 02:08:17,600
>> [laughter]

3361
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:21,080
>> if your house is within

3362
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:24,080
200 if if you if you're in a open area

3363
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:26,320
that that that has two homes within a

3364
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:27,840
certain amount of time,

3365
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:29,880
and but you've cleared your vegetation,

3366
02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:31,600
then no, you will have a wide area

3367
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:33,400
around your your house, and you will not

3368
02:08:33,400 --> 02:08:35,320
be in the Louie.

3369
02:08:35,320 --> 02:08:40,440
But it's so pinpoint, it's really hard to I mean, this I'm

3370
02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:42,640
sorry, guys. This is a mess. It really

3371
02:08:42,640 --> 02:08:43,360
is. And this

3372
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:44,200
>> Your apology, Glenn.

3373
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:44,600
>> Yeah.

3374
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:45,760
>> I get it.

3375
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:47,280
>> Trying to work our best to work around

3376
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:48,040
it.

3377
02:08:48,040 --> 02:08:51,320
>> So, question. What if What if we So, we

3378
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:54,040
need to adopt the Louie code.

3379
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:57,120
We can have our own map.

3380
02:08:57,120 --> 02:08:58,720
What if we said, "Well, none of the town

3381
02:08:58,720 --> 02:08:59,960
is in the Louie code." What would the

3382
02:08:59,960 --> 02:09:01,800
state do?

3383
02:09:01,800 --> 02:09:03,520
>> They It's your It's your map. That's how

3384
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:05,440
you adopt it. So, what we did with one

3385
02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:06,720
of the other communities, we had the

3386
02:09:06,720 --> 02:09:08,520
same discussion.

3387
02:09:08,520 --> 02:09:09,440
Um

3388
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:13,120
they adopted their Louie map

3389
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:14,480
and changed it a little bit to where it

3390
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:16,600
followed the state's URAP map, which is

3391
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:19,840
behind you, but only the extreme areas

3392
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:22,760
were in their Louie map.

3393
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:23,720
So, the red blobs.

3394
02:09:23,720 --> 02:09:25,680
>> So, So, the red blob, which is there's

3395
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:27,680
only one in town, cuz the other one's in

3396
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:29,040
the park.

3397
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:31,400
So, we could A fourth option is then we

3398
02:09:31,400 --> 02:09:33,200
could adopt the Louie code, but just

3399
02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:34,760
include that.

3400
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:35,520
>> But you I would be very

3401
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:37,040
>> Three of our neighborhood, four of us

3402
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:38,560
maybe in that. Yeah.

3403
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:40,720
>> very specific that says you know, you're

3404
02:09:40,720 --> 02:09:44,800
following the URAP map, but only

3405
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:47,680
the extreme areas that are

3406
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:49,560
designated by the state.

3407
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:51,160
>> My understanding, Tom, is that we're

3408
02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:52,960
kind of handcuffed here because a later

3409
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:54,080
issue

3410
02:09:54,080 --> 02:09:57,000
uh to the was dropped yesterday.

3411
02:09:57,000 --> 02:10:00,640
If we don't do anything,

3412
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:03,320
we can't sign that that agreement, and

3413
02:10:03,320 --> 02:10:04,960
if there's a wildfire

3414
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:07,240
on the weekend, we're footing the bill.

3415
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:08,520
>> That's correct.

3416
02:10:08,520 --> 02:10:09,400
>> So, we have to do something.

3417
02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:11,440
>> Well, we can't not do anything. The The

3418
02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:13,240
state requires that we adopt the Louie

3419
02:10:13,240 --> 02:10:15,040
code.

3420
02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:17,760
>> Correct. The consequence is as as as Pat

3421
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:20,880
mentioned, that if we choose not to,

3422
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:23,560
we um we we we can't enter into a

3423
02:10:23,560 --> 02:10:25,360
cooperative agreement under the CWF.

3424
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:26,120
>> on our own.

3425
02:10:26,120 --> 02:10:28,080
>> And we're on our own for the entire cost

3426
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:29,960
of fire suppression for wildfires in

3427
02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:30,680
Springdale.

3428
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:31,400
>> Okay.

3429
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:33,280
So, that's not an option.

3430
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:36,080
Um so,

3431
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:37,400
what's your recommendation?

3432
02:10:37,400 --> 02:10:39,200
>> My recommendation would be just exactly

3433
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:41,640
what I said. Pass the U-RAP map only the

3434
02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:43,480
extreme areas as your personal map and

3435
02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:44,400
then you're done.

3436
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:46,280
>> You're calling it U-RAP. So, that would

3437
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:48,400
make the the enforcement the building

3438
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:49,920
enforcement

3439
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:52,480
less onerous, too.

3440
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:55,000
>> It it it would. So, so just

3441
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:57,440
Chief, to to clarify, the what you're

3442
02:10:57,440 --> 02:11:01,080
calling the extreme areas, that's this kind of red blob.

3443
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:02,000
>> The red blob.

3444
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,320
>> That would be your your designated WUI

3445
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:06,240
areas.

3446
02:11:06,240 --> 02:11:07,560
Sorry, once again, for who lives in

3447
02:11:07,560 --> 02:11:10,320
>> And is it possible I mean, I assume

3448
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:12,160
that's the whole Anasazi Plateau. I

3449
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:14,720
guess there's a way to find out exactly

3450
02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:16,040
where that is.

3451
02:11:16,040 --> 02:11:18,040
>> Yeah, you you can zoom in more on the

3452
02:11:18,040 --> 02:11:20,790
>> Okay.

3453
02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:22,760
» Yeah, it's not the whole Anasazi. It's

3454
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:24,120
actually

3455
02:11:24,120 --> 02:11:27,040
uh it's it's a big chunk of maybe 2/3,

3456
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:29,400
but there's some homes that are not in

3457
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:30,600
the

3458
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:31,440
extreme.

3459
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:33,200
>> Which is weird because we're all on top

3460
02:11:33,200 --> 02:11:33,600
of each other.

3461
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:35,480
>> Yeah, and like Valley View,

3462
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:36,960
I think the first two homes on Valley

3463
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:38,600
View are not in it and the rest of them

3464
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:39,600
are.

3465
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:40,840
So, it's

3466
02:11:40,840 --> 02:11:42,680
>> The very unfortunate part about this

3467
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:46,720
whole map is it was done with um

3468
02:11:46,720 --> 02:11:49,800
satellite images and AI.

3469
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:51,480
So,

3470
02:11:51,480 --> 02:11:51,800
I

3471
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:52,880
>> Well,

3472
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:54,520
>> I mean, an example, we're getting ready

3473
02:11:54,520 --> 02:11:57,720
to go out to build a new administrative

3474
02:11:57,720 --> 02:12:01,160
station at Sand the Mouth Sand Hollow.

3475
02:12:01,160 --> 02:12:03,640
We're in a giant red blob.

3476
02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:05,160
And it's all sand and water. There's

3477
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:06,520
nothing else there.

3478
02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:07,520
So,

3479
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,200
>> I think the one thing that's kind of

3480
02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:11,640
interesting and this may apply if we had

3481
02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:14,280
go this route, is like if you type my

3482
02:12:14,280 --> 02:12:16,760
address into that, it says I'm not in

3483
02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:18,600
the high risk zone.

3484
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:21,000
However, my insurance company, when they

3485
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:24,080
sent me my letter threatening to cancel

3486
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:25,560
my insurance, they said you're in the

3487
02:12:25,560 --> 02:12:26,960
high risk zone.

3488
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:28,840
>> And the good part about this, with the U

3489
02:12:28,840 --> 02:12:30,760
wrap now being in

3490
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:35,080
code, you can show them, "No, I'm not."

3491
02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:38,331
So.

3492
02:12:38,341 --> 02:12:38,960
» [laughter]

3493
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:39,440
>> Whoops.

3494
02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:40,600
>> Cut down all the trees.

3495
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:43,400
>> Understandable.

3496
02:12:43,400 --> 02:12:44,840
>> Jackson living in a van down by the

3497
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:45,546
river.

3498
02:12:45,546 --> 02:12:46,640
>> [laughter]

3499
02:12:46,640 --> 02:12:49,320
>> Yeah, sometimes that's not a bad idea.

3500
02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:51,640
>> They look good anyway.

3501
02:12:51,640 --> 02:12:54,600
>> Um, did I answer Can I get anything else I can help you

3502
02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:56,520
>> I think we have everything we need. Are

3503
02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:58,560
you Are you staying for that next fire

3504
02:12:58,560 --> 02:12:59,000
thing, too?

3505
02:12:59,000 --> 02:12:59,520
>> Yeah, I'll

3506
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,040
>> Okay.

3507
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:03,720
To be continued. Okay. So, are we ready

3508
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:08,600
to make a decision on this wooey map? We will adopt the wooey code. We have

3509
02:13:08,600 --> 02:13:10,640
to. And

3510
02:13:10,640 --> 02:13:12,840
I'm inclined to follow Chief Decker's

3511
02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:14,400
recommendation.

3512
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:17,400
>> Which would be the U wrap with the

3513
02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:17,840
extension

3514
02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:24,630
>> Tom, how does that

3515
02:13:24,640 --> 02:13:29,150
» It's not a zone change.

3516
02:13:29,160 --> 02:13:30,360
» No, that that was the point I made

3517
02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:32,920
earlier. This is This is a uh

3518
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:34,880
kind of an administrative

3519
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:36,040
It's It's like adopting the building

3520
02:13:36,040 --> 02:13:37,920
code. Um,

3521
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:40,640
it's It's a It's not a land use zone,

3522
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:42,400
like the foothill residential zone or

3523
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:44,760
the valley village commercial zone. This

3524
02:13:44,760 --> 02:13:47,640
is is a It's unfortunate that they call

3525
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:50,240
it the wooey zone.

3526
02:13:50,240 --> 02:13:53,600
Because it sounds like a zone, but it's just kind of like adopting the

3527
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:56,080
building code with different seismic

3528
02:13:56,080 --> 02:13:58,040
areas or different wind loading areas.

3529
02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:00,280
It's It's an administrative

3530
02:14:00,280 --> 02:14:03,440
um adoption of an administrative of uh

3531
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:06,200
code that that says where the wooey's

3532
02:14:06,200 --> 02:14:10,190
going to be enforced.

3533
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:13,120
» Are you okay with questions?

3534
02:14:13,120 --> 02:14:19,350
>> I'm okay as long as you're okay.

3535
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:21,160
» I feel okay, but

3536
02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:23,800
I before I came to the meeting

3537
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:25,920
uh printed out the uh

3538
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:28,383
the map from

3539
02:14:28,383 --> 02:14:28,720
>> [clears throat]

3540
02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:32,680
>> the home page Utah Wildland or Wildfire

3541
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:33,640
risk

3542
02:14:33,640 --> 02:14:36,520
assessment portal. And it's under the

3543
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:40,760
high risk Wildland interface

3544
02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:45,320
viewer and we typed in our address

3545
02:14:45,320 --> 02:14:47,680
and it says you are not in the high risk

3546
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:49,360
WUI boundary.

3547
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:52,480
Now, if we look at the map that uh the

3548
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:56,520
previous map of Springdale you have my

3549
02:14:56,520 --> 02:14:59,040
address in the

3550
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:01,680
with in the high risk zone.

3551
02:15:01,680 --> 02:15:03,480
So, why

3552
02:15:03,480 --> 02:15:05,840
I guess what if there's discrepancies,

3553
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:07,160
why

3554
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:10,600
not just a adopt a code tonight?

3555
02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:13,920
Let us take another better look at the

3556
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:17,400
map and get the discrepancies

3557
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:20,440
uh figured out and

3558
02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:21,680
uh just

3559
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:23,240
can you go with that tonight?

3560
02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:25,720
>> I think we need to adopt a map tonight

3561
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:27,920
and make and people can make cases for

3562
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:29,960
not, but where we're going you won't be

3563
02:15:29,960 --> 02:15:32,440
in the zone anyway, it sounds like. I

3564
02:15:32,440 --> 02:15:34,560
I'm inclined to go with the chief's

3565
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,840
recommendation. So, you won't be in you

3566
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:40,240
won't be in that zone.

3567
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:42,560
>> I feel like it does add consistency, you

3568
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:42,680
know.

3569
02:15:42,680 --> 02:15:42,920
>> Yeah.

3570
02:15:42,920 --> 02:15:45,240
>> We go with what the what the state has

3571
02:15:45,240 --> 02:15:49,480
determined as extreme risk and

3572
02:15:49,480 --> 02:15:51,040
um

3573
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:53,360
you know, despite

3574
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:56,080
that there are some mistakes, you know,

3575
02:15:56,080 --> 02:15:58,240
generally with the uh use of AI and

3576
02:15:58,240 --> 02:16:00,520
satellite imagery. For for Springdale,

3577
02:16:00,520 --> 02:16:02,360
it seems to be

3578
02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:04,720
okay that it's, you know, up there on

3579
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:06,440
the plateau, which I would consider

3580
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:08,520
>> juniper forest, so you can see why it

3581
02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:08,880
is.

3582
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:10,400
>> So, it makes sense.

3583
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:12,800
>> So, Gil, we we people will have the

3584
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:18,240
option if they're in that zone to try to prove they're not in it

3585
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:20,840
even after we adopt this, but we we need

3586
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:22,400
to adopt this.

3587
02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:23,880
>> What happens to my insurance in the

3588
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:26,480
meantime?

3589
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:28,160
>> We're all going to We're all going to

3590
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:29,800
Yeah, we're all going to experience

3591
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:31,320
that, but you you should be good where

3592
02:16:31,320 --> 02:16:33,240
you are.

3593
02:16:33,240 --> 02:16:38,470
Don't move to that Anasazi Pato.

3594
02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:40,599
So, are we ready for a motion? Are we I

3595
02:16:40,599 --> 02:16:43,400
saw a lot of head shakes about Pat, you

3596
02:16:43,400 --> 02:16:44,160
have something?

3597
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:45,200
>> No, I I

3598
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:46,920
I'd like to piece plan a little bit, but

3599
02:16:46,920 --> 02:16:47,840
I just have a

3600
02:16:47,840 --> 02:16:49,200
>> I have a question as to how the motion

3601
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:51,480
reads, Tom.

3602
02:16:51,480 --> 02:16:53,080
Um

3603
02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:54,880
we have a map that that the staff has

3604
02:16:54,880 --> 02:16:56,840
drawn. How do we excise that from this

3605
02:16:56,840 --> 02:16:58,519
motion?

3606
02:16:58,519 --> 02:17:01,240
>> So, in in the motion, um the the

3607
02:17:01,240 --> 02:17:03,840
proposed ordinance language just says

3608
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:05,639
that you're adopting the map as it's

3609
02:17:05,639 --> 02:17:07,320
maintained in the community development

3610
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:08,320
department.

3611
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:09,080
>> That's okay.

3612
02:17:09,080 --> 02:17:11,240
>> And and to assist you in that, we've

3613
02:17:11,240 --> 02:17:14,040
proposed a map tonight. So, what you

3614
02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:15,320
would want to do in your motion is just

3615
02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:17,040
adopt the the proposed ordinance

3616
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:20,160
language and clarify that hey, we're not

3617
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:22,559
accepting the map that was proposed in

3618
02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:24,960
the packet material. Instead, we want to

3619
02:17:24,960 --> 02:17:28,120
use the state's high risk WUI properties

3620
02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:31,639
map as shown on the the U-RAP viewer.

3621
02:17:31,639 --> 02:17:34,920
Extreme. Yeah.

3622
02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:36,320
>> Make sure you say extreme.

3623
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:49,629
>> Yeah, extreme only.

3624
02:17:49,639 --> 02:17:51,480
Okay, I have something, but we'll have

3625
02:17:51,480 --> 02:17:53,599
to work on the map part.

3626
02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:56,280
>> Okay.

3627
02:17:56,280 --> 02:17:59,240
To comply with mandates from the state

3628
02:17:59,240 --> 02:18:01,719
the Utah State Legislature and to

3629
02:18:01,719 --> 02:18:05,000
mitigate wildfire risk in the community.

3630
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:10,040
I move to approve ordinance 2026-13

3631
02:18:10,040 --> 02:18:12,920
as discussed in the town the June 10th

3632
02:18:12,920 --> 02:18:14,840
town council meeting.

3633
02:18:14,840 --> 02:18:23,040
This ordinance adopts the state wildland urban interface code by

3634
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:27,040
reference. Um, it's the 2006

3635
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:29,679
Utah WUI

3636
02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:30,920
code.

3637
02:18:30,920 --> 02:18:34,750
Um, and do

3638
02:18:34,760 --> 02:18:38,679
Okay, and also the 2024 international

3639
02:18:38,679 --> 02:18:41,360
WUI code.

3640
02:18:41,360 --> 02:18:43,200
Um,

3641
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:47,360
the ordinance also adopts a

3642
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:49,679
U wrap

3643
02:18:49,679 --> 02:18:51,200
map

3644
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:54,320
um, highlighting the extreme fire risk

3645
02:18:54,320 --> 02:18:56,880
areas.

3646
02:18:56,880 --> 02:18:59,760
Uh, as the WUI boundary.

3647
02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:01,000
Does that

3648
02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:02,360
make sense?

3649
02:19:02,360 --> 02:19:02,679
>> Yep.

3650
02:19:02,679 --> 02:19:04,519
>> Yeah, maybe as opposed to the map that

3651
02:19:04,519 --> 02:19:06,840
was proposed with the

3652
02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:07,880
by the

3653
02:19:07,880 --> 02:19:09,920
community development department.

3654
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:11,440
>> Chief Decker was shaking his head, yes.

3655
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:13,240
You think that's good enough in the

3656
02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:13,559
ordinance?

3657
02:19:13,559 --> 02:19:17,390
>> Okay.

3658
02:19:17,400 --> 02:19:19,160
» Tom, you comfortable with that?

3659
02:19:19,160 --> 02:19:20,200
>> Yes, thank you.

3660
02:19:20,200 --> 02:19:22,280
>> Yeah. Cuz we don't specifically have to

3661
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:23,559
say it's not the one in the packet.

3662
02:19:23,559 --> 02:19:24,920
We're saying what it is, not what it

3663
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:25,920
isn't, right?

3664
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:26,400
>> That's fine.

3665
02:19:26,400 --> 02:19:28,200
>> Okay, so do we have a second?

3666
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:29,240
>> I'll second that.

3667
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:31,559
>> So, motion by Kyle, second by Pat.

3668
02:19:31,559 --> 02:19:32,679
>> Pat, I.

3669
02:19:32,679 --> 02:19:34,000
>> Randy, I.

3670
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:34,840
>> Barbara, I.

3671
02:19:34,840 --> 02:19:35,599
>> Jack, I.

3672
02:19:35,599 --> 02:19:37,760
>> Kyle, I.

3673
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:41,519
>> Very glad to get this behind us.

3674
02:19:41,519 --> 02:19:43,960
>> Wow, is it behind us though?

3675
02:19:43,960 --> 02:19:46,599
Um, okay, review and possible approval

3676
02:19:46,599 --> 02:19:48,640
of a RAP tax funding agreement between

3677
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:51,800
the town of Springdale and Z Arts. Tom?

3678
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:55,120
>> Um, in the last council meeting the

3679
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:58,960
council approved the Z-Arts application

3680
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:02,280
for RAP tax funding for $15,000.

3681
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:04,320
This item follows on that. This is just

3682
02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:06,640
the funding agreement between the town

3683
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:09,040
and Z-Arts. So, it's the same proposal

3684
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:10,480
that you've already approved. This is

3685
02:20:10,480 --> 02:20:12,520
just the actual agreement that you're

3686
02:20:12,520 --> 02:20:14,640
approving tonight. Um and so, if you'd

3687
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:16,760
like to approve that and authorize the

3688
02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:18,360
mayor to sign, that will formalize the

3689
02:20:18,360 --> 02:20:21,000
action you took in the last meeting.

3690
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:22,360
>> I have a motion.

3691
02:20:22,360 --> 02:20:25,310
There's no discussion.

3692
02:20:25,320 --> 02:20:28,280
I think sounds like no discussion.

3693
02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:30,120
Okay, I move to approve the RAP tax

3694
02:20:30,120 --> 02:20:32,400
funding agreement between the town of

3695
02:20:32,400 --> 02:20:35,560
Springdale and Z-Arts in the amount of

3696
02:20:35,560 --> 02:20:37,280
$15,000

3697
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:39,800
and direct the mayor to sign.

3698
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:40,680
>> I'll second.

3699
02:20:40,680 --> 02:20:42,600
>> Motion by Kyla, second by Jack.

3700
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:43,960
>> I.

3701
02:20:43,960 --> 02:20:44,720
>> Barbara, I.

3702
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:45,320
>> Jack, I.

3703
02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:46,600
>> Kyla, I.

3704
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:47,680
>> I.

3705
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:49,800
>> Next item is a request for an exception

3706
02:20:49,800 --> 02:20:51,600
from the noise standards of section

3707
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:53,840
4-38-2

3708
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:56,080
for the Zion Canyon Music Music

3709
02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:58,160
Festival. The applicant is Alex Pelton,

3710
02:20:58,160 --> 02:20:59,880
who's here if we have questions, and

3711
02:20:59,880 --> 02:21:02,560
staff contact is Tom Dempsey.

3712
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:04,640
>> Thank you, Mayor. The uh town's noise

3713
02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:07,040
ordinance prohibits loud noises after

3714
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:10,640
8:00 p.m. and before 7:00 a.m. The Zion

3715
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:13,280
Canyon Music Festival has operated at

3716
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:15,600
the um Bittersweet property for the past

3717
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:18,560
several years. That um

3718
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:20,640
that event goes past 8:00 p.m. and the

3719
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:23,200
music associated with it it is louder

3720
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,560
than what our noise standards allow.

3721
02:21:25,560 --> 02:21:30,120
The noise ordinance um does allow an an

3722
02:21:30,120 --> 02:21:31,680
organization to apply for a noise

3723
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:34,280
exemption permit for

3724
02:21:34,280 --> 02:21:35,440
um

3725
02:21:35,440 --> 02:21:37,920
events or or or projects that have a

3726
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:40,040
community-wide benefit.

3727
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:42,440
Um as you mentioned, Alex Pelton has

3728
02:21:42,440 --> 02:21:44,600
applied for an exemption to the noise

3729
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:46,960
standards for the

3730
02:21:46,960 --> 02:21:48,520
music festival.

3731
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:50,960
The council approved a similar request

3732
02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:52,240
last year.

3733
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:54,400
After the after last year's event, that

3734
02:21:54,400 --> 02:21:55,840
the town did not receive any complaints

3735
02:21:55,840 --> 02:21:59,880
or objections to the festival, and it's my

3736
02:21:59,880 --> 02:22:01,400
understanding that the festival will be

3737
02:22:01,400 --> 02:22:03,200
operated very similar to the way it was

3738
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:04,800
last year.

3739
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:06,640
Part of the requirement for a noise

3740
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:08,840
exemption permit is for the applicant to

3741
02:22:08,840 --> 02:22:11,800
notify all neighbors within 600 ft of

3742
02:22:11,800 --> 02:22:14,680
the requests and let them know that this

3743
02:22:14,680 --> 02:22:16,160
is this this request will be on the

3744
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:18,000
council's agenda tonight. We did not

3745
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:19,720
receive any objections

3746
02:22:19,720 --> 02:22:22,880
based on that notification.

3747
02:22:22,880 --> 02:22:25,000
So, your your decision tonight is

3748
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:26,400
whether or not to approve the noise

3749
02:22:26,400 --> 02:22:29,080
exemption request for the Zion Canyon

3750
02:22:29,080 --> 02:22:33,150
Music Festival this coming September.

3751
02:22:33,160 --> 02:22:35,120
» Discussion?

3752
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:37,240
>> Yeah, I will say that

3753
02:22:37,240 --> 02:22:38,960
I'm glad to hear that there weren't

3754
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:41,640
complaints last year since the previous

3755
02:22:41,640 --> 02:22:42,640
year we

3756
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:44,880
did have some issues.

3757
02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:46,520
Um

3758
02:22:46,520 --> 02:22:51,320
and that I do feel like the the

3759
02:22:51,320 --> 02:22:53,120
music festival is a community-wide

3760
02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:54,680
benefit. I think it does meet that

3761
02:22:54,680 --> 02:22:58,080
criteria. I have neighbors actually who

3762
02:22:58,080 --> 02:22:59,880
come to town specifically for that and I

3763
02:22:59,880 --> 02:23:02,000
think um

3764
02:23:02,000 --> 02:23:04,040
last year I missed getting free tickets

3765
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:05,920
because everybody got them before me.

3766
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:08,920
So, I think that in itself shows that

3767
02:23:08,920 --> 02:23:11,760
people are interested in attending. It's

3768
02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:14,040
something they look forward to.

3769
02:23:14,040 --> 02:23:16,120
Um people come together for that. I

3770
02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:18,480
think it's a good benefit.

3771
02:23:18,480 --> 02:23:19,480
>> I think it's a I think it's a great

3772
02:23:19,480 --> 02:23:21,000
event. I mean, people look forward to

3773
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:22,720
it. I know I do.

3774
02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:25,000
Um and I'd miss it if it didn't happen,

3775
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:26,080
so.

3776
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:28,240
>> I just want to say all the earlier my

3777
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:32,029
bedtimes

3778
02:23:32,039 --> 02:23:34,000
» [laughter]

3779
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:37,000
>> Maybe you can take a nap.

3780
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:37,600
Jack, any

3781
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:39,120
>> The The issue with taking a nap is I'm

3782
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:39,960
good.

3783
02:23:39,960 --> 02:23:41,520
>> Okay, sounds like we're ready for a

3784
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:42,600
motion.

3785
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:45,440
>> I move to approve the noise standard

3786
02:23:45,440 --> 02:23:47,640
exemption permit for the Zion Canyon

3787
02:23:47,640 --> 02:23:50,880
Music Festival on September 25th and

3788
02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:54,760
26th of 2026.

3789
02:23:54,760 --> 02:23:57,160
>> Um I think there's one condition we

3790
02:23:57,160 --> 02:23:59,760
should add that just says

3791
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:00,400
on the

3792
02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:01,000
>> Yeah.

3793
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:04,800
>> 25th and 26th that all

3794
02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:06,720
What does it say? Something like

3795
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:08,360
any noise that would exceed the

3796
02:24:08,360 --> 02:24:10,840
permitted allowance needs to be ended by

3797
02:24:10,840 --> 02:24:12,720
10:00 p.m.

3798
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:13,920
Something like that.

3799
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:15,320
>> Yeah, I guess with the following

3800
02:24:15,320 --> 02:24:18,240
condition the noise exemption permit

3801
02:24:18,240 --> 02:24:19,680
um

3802
02:24:19,680 --> 02:24:23,480
shall take place between 10:00 Oh, no.

3803
02:24:23,480 --> 02:24:26,870
Let me read that again.

3804
02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:29,360
Uh will will

3805
02:24:29,360 --> 02:24:31,280
um

3806
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:34,240
I guess is valid until 10:00 p.m.

3807
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:35,800
>> Yeah.

3808
02:24:35,800 --> 02:24:38,360
Um on both Friday, September 25th and

3809
02:24:38,360 --> 02:24:41,480
Saturday, September 26th.

3810
02:24:41,480 --> 02:24:44,320
All noises made after must be kept

3811
02:24:44,320 --> 02:24:46,960
within the noise maximum levels

3812
02:24:46,960 --> 02:24:50,640
established in section 4-3b-2

3813
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:53,240
of the town code.

3814
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:54,080
>> Second.

3815
02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:56,080
>> Motion by Jack, second by Kyla.

3816
02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:56,880
>> Pat, I.

3817
02:24:56,880 --> 02:24:57,560
>> Andy, I.

3818
02:24:57,560 --> 02:24:58,200
>> April, I.

3819
02:24:58,200 --> 02:24:58,920
>> Jack, I.

3820
02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:01,360
>> Kyla, I.

3821
02:25:01,360 --> 02:25:02,760
>> Okay.

3822
02:25:02,760 --> 02:25:04,880
Next item on the agenda is donation of

3823
02:25:04,880 --> 02:25:06,640
parking revenue collected from Lion

3824
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:08,680
Boulevard on the 4th of July to Zion

3825
02:25:08,680 --> 02:25:11,920
Forever. And I'm the contact. Um this

3826
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:14,080
stemmed from a conversation I had with

3827
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:15,680
Natalie Brett Well, actually it was

3828
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:17,040
Stephanie

3829
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:19,280
Lion and Tiffany Stouffer from Zion

3830
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:20,800
Forever when they told me that they were

3831
02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:23,360
having this event at the amphitheater.

3832
02:25:23,360 --> 02:25:26,520
Um I wondered if we could because it is

3833
02:25:26,520 --> 02:25:29,480
a fundraiser and they have had such a

3834
02:25:29,480 --> 02:25:31,280
rough year with the government shutdown

3835
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:32,320
and all. I wondered if there was

3836
02:25:32,320 --> 02:25:34,360
something the town could do

3837
02:25:34,360 --> 02:25:40,400
as a as a token to support the event and um help them raise some funds. And

3838
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:43,120
so I talked with Garen about the idea of

3839
02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:45,320
donating the proceeds

3840
02:25:45,320 --> 02:25:47,600
from parking

3841
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:51,080
in the town that day to Zion Forever and

3842
02:25:51,080 --> 02:25:52,880
found out that we could not do that with

3843
02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:55,000
the SR-9 properties, that that money

3844
02:25:55,000 --> 02:25:56,960
needs to go into the transportation

3845
02:25:56,960 --> 02:25:59,440
fund. We talked about Lion Boulevard

3846
02:25:59,440 --> 02:26:02,520
being an exception and that is not

3847
02:26:02,520 --> 02:26:05,240
mandated, although that is our policy

3848
02:26:05,240 --> 02:26:09,000
and um we have a letter from a resident

3849
02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:10,560
pointing out that that would be a

3850
02:26:10,560 --> 02:26:12,280
precedent that we'd be setting and maybe

3851
02:26:12,280 --> 02:26:14,720
that wouldn't be a good idea. So I guess

3852
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:16,440
we want to I guess we should talk about

3853
02:26:16,440 --> 02:26:18,160
whether we'd like to donate the proceeds

3854
02:26:18,160 --> 02:26:19,440
from Lion Boulevard, which would

3855
02:26:19,440 --> 02:26:22,280
typically be around $1,000,

3856
02:26:22,280 --> 02:26:25,240
or whether we want to do nothing or

3857
02:26:25,240 --> 02:26:26,560
whether we want to just make a

3858
02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:29,240
contribution and not do it out of our

3859
02:26:29,240 --> 02:26:33,990
parking revenue on the 4th of July.

3860
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:35,400
» I don't know.

3861
02:26:35,400 --> 02:26:38,480
For me, I I don't I don't think

3862
02:26:38,480 --> 02:26:40,120
that that we should even though we don't

3863
02:26:40,120 --> 02:26:42,080
have to, even though we don't

3864
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:45,000
have to use parking fees

3865
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:47,000
and put in the transportation fund along

3866
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:49,200
Lion Boulevard, I just think deviating

3867
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:50,240
from

3868
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:53,360
past practice is just a bad idea.

3869
02:26:53,360 --> 02:26:55,720
Um it's a parking fee

3870
02:26:55,720 --> 02:26:58,080
and if we wanted to donate out of the

3871
02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:00,880
general fund to Zion Forever, that would

3872
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:03,360
be a different action. That would be tax

3873
02:27:03,360 --> 02:27:04,360
money

3874
02:27:04,360 --> 02:27:07,360
and not fee money. So I I I I couldn't

3875
02:27:07,360 --> 02:27:11,230
agree with it as it's written.

3876
02:27:11,240 --> 02:27:14,520
» Yeah, it does open the door for other

3877
02:27:14,520 --> 02:27:18,040
entities to ask us for parking money and

3878
02:27:18,040 --> 02:27:22,360
so I agree with that. I hadn't thought that

3879
02:27:22,360 --> 02:27:23,800
through.

3880
02:27:23,800 --> 02:27:26,040
>> So what are other options for us? What

3881
02:27:26,040 --> 02:27:26,840
other funds?

3882
02:27:26,840 --> 02:27:29,520
>> Well, since that would the general fund,

3883
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:31,200
Tom, would be an option for a donation,

3884
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:32,440
right?

3885
02:27:32,440 --> 02:27:35,560
>> Correct. Yeah, we would would I mean we make donations to other organizations

3886
02:27:35,560 --> 02:27:37,240
from the general fund and so you could

3887
02:27:37,240 --> 02:27:39,160
certainly do that with Zion Forever as

3888
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:39,920
well.

3889
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:42,600
>> Would a thousand dollars be doable

3890
02:27:42,600 --> 02:27:44,040
out of the general fund?

3891
02:27:44,040 --> 02:27:45,560
>> Sure. I mean, we haven't budgeted for

3892
02:27:45,560 --> 02:27:47,720
it, and and so that would we'd need to

3893
02:27:47,720 --> 02:27:48,960
make a

3894
02:27:48,960 --> 02:27:50,040
um

3895
02:27:50,040 --> 02:27:52,732
you you just passed your your budget, so

3896
02:27:52,732 --> 02:27:53,160
>> [laughter]

3897
02:27:53,160 --> 02:27:57,080
>> maybe we should have put this before the final budget. So, we need to do a

3898
02:27:57,080 --> 02:27:58,520
budget amendment, but it's that's not

3899
02:27:58,520 --> 02:28:01,640
that big of a deal, and certainly we the

3900
02:28:01,640 --> 02:28:03,200
um the general fund could accommodate a

3901
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:04,960
thousand dollar contribution to Zion

3902
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:05,720
Forever.

3903
02:28:05,720 --> 02:28:07,640
>> So, when when we do that, is there some

3904
02:28:07,640 --> 02:28:09,440
metric we use to decide who gets it and

3905
02:28:09,440 --> 02:28:11,200
who doesn't?

3906
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:12,920
>> You mean what organizations we donate to

3907
02:28:12,920 --> 02:28:14,200
and which which we don't?

3908
02:28:14,200 --> 02:28:15,680
>> Yeah, I mean, Zion Forever we've decided

3909
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:16,960
if we decide Zion Forever gets a

3910
02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:19,800
thousand bucks, what if

3911
02:28:19,800 --> 02:28:21,720
you know, Joey Bananas wants a thousand

3912
02:28:21,720 --> 02:28:23,840
dollars? Does he know how that he could

3913
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:25,600
do that? Does he know how how to ask for

3914
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:27,560
that? I mean

3915
02:28:27,560 --> 02:28:31,120
>> Cat, this is me, Barbara Bruno, asking

3916
02:28:31,120 --> 02:28:32,840
the council to approve a donation to

3917
02:28:32,840 --> 02:28:35,320
Zion Forever. Any of us could do that

3918
02:28:35,320 --> 02:28:37,280
with any organization, and I think we

3919
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:40,520
just need to vote for or against

3920
02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:42,840
make a decision about that.

3921
02:28:42,840 --> 02:28:45,080
>> Could it come out of the 27-28 budget,

3922
02:28:45,080 --> 02:28:47,520
since it's a July 4th donation? Wouldn't

3923
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:48,400
that be after

3924
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:50,000
>> the 26-27 budget?

3925
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:51,560
>> Yeah, like next year.

3926
02:28:51,560 --> 02:28:53,880
I guess it would be 26-27, so I was

3927
02:28:53,880 --> 02:28:55,612
already thinking a year.

3928
02:28:55,612 --> 02:28:55,960
>> [laughter]

3929
02:28:55,960 --> 02:28:58,520
>> Yeah, I and I I I um

3930
02:28:58,520 --> 02:28:59,840
I think that's probably the best place

3931
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:02,000
to do it. I'll I'll get with Dawn to see

3932
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:03,480
if it's easier to do it out of this

3933
02:29:03,480 --> 02:29:05,440
fiscal year and take care of that with

3934
02:29:05,440 --> 02:29:06,960
our year-end amendment, or if it would

3935
02:29:06,960 --> 02:29:09,520
be easier to do in the next budget year.

3936
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:12,640
I I defer to her expertise on that, but

3937
02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:13,800
either way, you'll need to make a budget

3938
02:29:13,800 --> 02:29:15,200
amendment.

3939
02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:17,400
>> So, we need to just decide let's take a

3940
02:29:17,400 --> 02:29:19,920
vote on whether we want to do it at all.

3941
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:21,640
The one thing I have considered though

3942
02:29:21,640 --> 02:29:24,240
is that um

3943
02:29:24,240 --> 02:29:26,600
when they made their presentation to us,

3944
02:29:26,600 --> 02:29:28,680
something that specifically was called

3945
02:29:28,680 --> 02:29:30,840
out was shuttle service.

3946
02:29:30,840 --> 02:29:32,640
In my opinion, shuttle service is

3947
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:35,720
transportation. So, I'm not saying like

3948
02:29:35,720 --> 02:29:38,880
totally against that you guys

3949
02:29:38,880 --> 02:29:40,280
don't agree with the president because I

3950
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:42,760
do. I I see that if we open up that door

3951
02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:45,680
to donating funds from a certain area,

3952
02:29:45,680 --> 02:29:47,600
it becomes very like we're

3953
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:48,920
you know, changing the policy a little

3954
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:51,920
bit. But, I'm wondering

3955
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:54,240
if somehow we could say, "We are making

3956
02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:56,640
a donation, but we would like it to go

3957
02:29:56,640 --> 02:30:00,800
to this Springdale

3958
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:04,240
convenience, which is the shuttle."

3959
02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:06,680
>> But, it's not our shuttle. So,

3960
02:30:06,680 --> 02:30:07,840
>> It's not our shuttle, but it

3961
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:09,960
>> And I think our funds go to Springdale

3962
02:30:09,960 --> 02:30:11,840
projects rather than park projects. I

3963
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:13,480
mean, that's that's debatable. We can

3964
02:30:13,480 --> 02:30:14,440
talk about that.

3965
02:30:14,440 --> 02:30:16,120
>> Yeah.

3966
02:30:16,120 --> 02:30:18,320
I know that

3967
02:30:18,320 --> 02:30:20,640
nonprofits often earmark things for

3968
02:30:20,640 --> 02:30:22,400
certain like

3969
02:30:22,400 --> 02:30:24,360
this donor has said they want this money

3970
02:30:24,360 --> 02:30:27,320
to go towards this specific project.

3971
02:30:27,320 --> 02:30:29,040
>> Yeah, we can certainly do designate

3972
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:31,520
where we want them to use it.

3973
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:33,480
>> I would like us to support to support

3974
02:30:33,480 --> 02:30:36,280
this and I think if we can do a donation

3975
02:30:36,280 --> 02:30:37,800
out of the general fund, it seems the

3976
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:40,600
cleanest way to do it.

3977
02:30:40,600 --> 02:30:42,400
>> Usually, it it seems like though with

3978
02:30:42,400 --> 02:30:44,840
organizations

3979
02:30:44,840 --> 02:30:47,360
other than say RAP tax funds,

3980
02:30:47,360 --> 02:30:48,640
uh

3981
02:30:48,640 --> 02:30:51,360
we're donating for a certain project,

3982
02:30:51,360 --> 02:30:53,760
not for something that would benefit the

3983
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:56,560
town, not just in general here.

3984
02:30:56,560 --> 02:30:58,520
You've you've lost some funding and and

3985
02:30:58,520 --> 02:31:01,320
a lot of organizations have lost

3986
02:31:01,320 --> 02:31:02,640
funding.

3987
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:04,520
So, it's

3988
02:31:04,520 --> 02:31:07,350
um

3989
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:08,880
it's challenging.

3990
02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:11,640
Um I I support what they're doing. I

3991
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:13,320
like what they're doing.

3992
02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:15,680
$1,000 doesn't seem like a lot, but are

3993
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:17,280
we

3994
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:18,840
kind of stepping up

3995
02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:22,160
of the way we usually do things

3996
02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:24,280
with doing this.

3997
02:31:24,280 --> 02:31:27,440
>> Well, I mean, if if this request didn't

3998
02:31:27,440 --> 02:31:30,080
come from the mayor tonight, I mean,

3999
02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:32,520
we're not even aware as a council of

4000
02:31:32,520 --> 02:31:35,600
what the town donates to, correct?

4001
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:38,360
I I don't recall ever this item coming

4002
02:31:38,360 --> 02:31:39,920
before us before.

4003
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:43,200
Are we willing to, you know,

4004
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:48,280
to this organization, but yet sounds I I thought I just heard from Tom that the

4005
02:31:48,280 --> 02:31:51,240
town donates to organizations.

4006
02:31:51,240 --> 02:31:53,880
>> Yeah, so so in your budget, there there

4007
02:31:53,880 --> 02:31:55,000
are

4008
02:31:55,000 --> 02:31:55,800
um

4009
02:31:55,800 --> 02:32:02,080
uh entities that we we we we we uh

4010
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:04,520
budget to every year, and now I'm just

4011
02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:05,280
bringing them up.

4012
02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:07,480
>> them is the Paiute Pow Wow.

4013
02:32:07,480 --> 02:32:11,200
>> We we we budget for the uh Paiute the

4014
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:12,440
Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah. We

4015
02:32:12,440 --> 02:32:14,080
contribute $500 each year to the

4016
02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:17,240
Restoration Pow Wow. We contribute $500

4017
02:32:17,240 --> 02:32:20,560
each year to a um Zion Canyon student

4018
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:24,080
scholarship at Hurricane High School. Um

4019
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:26,680
it's uh we we

4020
02:32:26,680 --> 02:32:29,920
don't sponsor, but we contribute $2,000

4021
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:32,040
each year to the Zion Canyon Music

4022
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:34,360
Festival in exchange for

4023
02:32:34,360 --> 02:32:35,320
um

4024
02:32:35,320 --> 02:32:36,760
uh

4025
02:32:36,760 --> 02:32:38,640
local tickets that we can distribute to

4026
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:43,520
the to the the community. So, those are the kinds of of contributions

4027
02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:45,480
that we make. And those are in the in

4028
02:32:45,480 --> 02:32:46,840
the budget each year.

4029
02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:49,920
>> And and I will acknowledge um Lisa's

4030
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:51,600
letter. She made a good point. She did

4031
02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:53,360
say, "If we think this is just too

4032
02:32:53,360 --> 02:32:57,160
fraught, we we are contributing police

4033
02:32:57,160 --> 02:32:59,960
and parking services to the event, uh

4034
02:32:59,960 --> 02:33:02,800
taking that budget item off of their off

4035
02:33:02,800 --> 02:33:04,480
of their table. So, we are already

4036
02:33:04,480 --> 02:33:06,960
contributing to the event in that way.

4037
02:33:06,960 --> 02:33:10,120
So, if if this is too fraught, then you

4038
02:33:10,120 --> 02:33:12,520
know, that's so be it, but let's let's

4039
02:33:12,520 --> 02:33:13,440
just

4040
02:33:13,440 --> 02:33:16,400
decide as a council.

4041
02:33:16,400 --> 02:33:18,520
>> Well, like I said, I'm not

4042
02:33:18,520 --> 02:33:19,960
I think they do great work. I'm not

4043
02:33:19,960 --> 02:33:30,080
opposed to helping them, especially with uh with the current political situation

4044
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:32,520
and loss of funding for a lot of

4045
02:33:32,520 --> 02:33:34,840
different nonprofits.

4046
02:33:34,840 --> 02:33:37,120
>> And you know, a thousand is is not a lot

4047
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:39,080
of money. It probably won't change

4048
02:33:39,080 --> 02:33:41,000
anything for them if we don't give it to

4049
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:43,880
them, but um I guess another option is

4050
02:33:43,880 --> 02:33:50,430
to just consider a donation next year.

4051
02:33:50,440 --> 02:33:54,830
They can't apply for RAP tax, can they?

4052
02:33:54,840 --> 02:33:55,440
» Well, [clears throat]

4053
02:33:55,440 --> 02:33:56,800
>> They could for an event, I guess.

4054
02:33:56,800 --> 02:33:57,960
>> They they could, but it would need to

4055
02:33:57,960 --> 02:34:01,000
meet our criteria for for RAP tax

4056
02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:07,240
funding. Um and I don't know that their mission aligns well with our

4057
02:34:07,240 --> 02:34:08,840
criteria for RAP tax funding.

4058
02:34:08,840 --> 02:34:09,920
>> Okay.

4059
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:11,480
>> Well, I think you bring up a good point,

4060
02:34:11,480 --> 02:34:14,280
Don, you know, what we are contributing

4061
02:34:14,280 --> 02:34:16,960
already uh for the event

4062
02:34:16,960 --> 02:34:17,560
uh

4063
02:34:17,560 --> 02:34:20,000
as far as our police force, so.

4064
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:22,160
>> So, should we just leave it alone?

4065
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:24,000
Should we just not worry about setting a

4066
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:26,040
precedent?

4067
02:34:26,040 --> 02:34:27,080
>> I think that's a good idea.

4068
02:34:27,080 --> 02:34:29,040
>> Yeah, I'm I'm just a little

4069
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:30,400
uncomfortable with that.

4070
02:34:30,400 --> 02:34:33,270
>> Okay.

4071
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:34,280
And

4072
02:34:34,280 --> 02:34:35,840
we probably don't need a motion at all,

4073
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:37,560
right?

4074
02:34:37,560 --> 02:34:39,240
>> Uh no, if you if you're going to take no

4075
02:34:39,240 --> 02:34:41,120
action on this, then then you don't need

4076
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:42,600
to to make a motion at all.

4077
02:34:42,600 --> 02:34:45,310
>> Okay.

4078
02:34:45,320 --> 02:34:49,280
So, the next item on the agenda is

4079
02:34:49,280 --> 02:34:51,320
discussion and possible approval of a

4080
02:34:51,320 --> 02:34:52,840
cooperative agreement with Utah

4081
02:34:52,840 --> 02:34:55,120
Forestry, Fire and State Lands under the

4082
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:57,880
Cooperative Wildfire System. And this is

4083
02:34:57,880 --> 02:34:59,680
also Tom Dansey.

4084
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:05,840
>> It is. So, um as as Pat mentioned, this came up kind of last minute. Um and

4085
02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:07,720
so, I apologize for the late addition to

4086
02:35:07,720 --> 02:35:09,320
the agenda. However, I do think this is

4087
02:35:09,320 --> 02:35:16,240
a a um urgent issue um because we've recently learned that we are not

4088
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:18,040
protected under the

4089
02:35:18,040 --> 02:35:18,800
uh

4090
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:21,320
cooperative wildfire system with the

4091
02:35:21,320 --> 02:35:22,560
state.

4092
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:24,880
Um and I'd like to get us into that as

4093
02:35:24,880 --> 02:35:26,680
soon as possible to to reduce our

4094
02:35:26,680 --> 02:35:28,760
exposure to wildfire suppression costs.

4095
02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:30,400
So, essentially what this says

4096
02:35:30,400 --> 02:35:32,120
is um

4097
02:35:32,120 --> 02:35:33,280
that

4098
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:34,680
by entering into this cooperative

4099
02:35:34,680 --> 02:35:36,400
agreement, the town commits to do

4100
02:35:36,400 --> 02:35:39,080
certain things. We We agree to take

4101
02:35:39,080 --> 02:35:42,280
action to reduce or or or mitigate

4102
02:35:42,280 --> 02:35:44,640
wildfire risk in the community each

4103
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:46,080
year. That's called our participation

4104
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:47,760
commitment or PC.

4105
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:51,080
Um we agree to um implement a community

4106
02:35:51,080 --> 02:35:53,600
wildfire preparedness plan and and we

4107
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:55,520
agree to adopt the wildland urban

4108
02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:56,680
interface code. Those are our

4109
02:35:56,680 --> 02:35:58,240
requirements.

4110
02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:00,800
In exchange, the state um agrees to

4111
02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:04,600
cover the costs for any state or federal

4112
02:36:04,600 --> 02:36:07,840
firefighting resources that respond to a

4113
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:10,320
catastrophic wildfire within the town

4114
02:36:10,320 --> 02:36:11,640
boundaries.

4115
02:36:11,640 --> 02:36:15,120
Without this agreement, we as a town are

4116
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:17,880
on the hook for those suppression costs.

4117
02:36:17,880 --> 02:36:18,760
Um

4118
02:36:18,760 --> 02:36:21,080
as uh Chief Decker has has indicated,

4119
02:36:21,080 --> 02:36:25,400
they they are fantastic partner with this with the town and the other

4120
02:36:25,400 --> 02:36:27,440
entities in the district. They help us

4121
02:36:27,440 --> 02:36:29,360
fulfill those requirements of the

4122
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:31,480
community wildfire system through the

4123
02:36:31,480 --> 02:36:33,520
cooperative agreement. Um

4124
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:35,840
but that agreement still needs to be in

4125
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:37,600
the town's name.

4126
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:39,480
Um

4127
02:36:39,480 --> 02:36:41,600
Chief, can I talk about the agreement

4128
02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:44,440
that you're proposing? So, so um the

4129
02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:46,480
district has an agreement with the city

4130
02:36:46,480 --> 02:36:48,800
of Hurricane that kind of formalizes

4131
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:50,960
their their position that says, "Yes, as

4132
02:36:50,960 --> 02:36:52,760
a district, we will

4133
02:36:52,760 --> 02:36:54,680
partner with you in helping you fulfill

4134
02:36:54,680 --> 02:36:56,680
your CWS requirements. Here's what the

4135
02:36:56,680 --> 02:36:58,600
district is going to do. Here's

4136
02:36:58,600 --> 02:37:00,440
what the what the municipality is going

4137
02:37:00,440 --> 02:37:02,400
to do." And Chief Decker has indicated a

4138
02:37:02,400 --> 02:37:03,840
willingness to enter into a similar

4139
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:05,800
agreement with the town.

4140
02:37:05,800 --> 02:37:08,960
Um so, if the council decides to adopt

4141
02:37:08,960 --> 02:37:11,200
or enter into this CWS cooperative

4142
02:37:11,200 --> 02:37:13,040
agreement with the state, I would

4143
02:37:13,040 --> 02:37:14,640
recommend that we follow that up with an

4144
02:37:14,640 --> 02:37:17,760
agreement with Hurricane Valley Fire

4145
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:20,400
that that just kind of memorializes our

4146
02:37:20,400 --> 02:37:21,960
mutual commitments to each other in

4147
02:37:21,960 --> 02:37:24,000
fulfilling the CWS requirements.

4148
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:25,000
>> Sorry, I just came in. What are we

4149
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:26,000
>> Oh.

4150
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:27,640
Do you have anything to add to that?

4151
02:37:27,640 --> 02:37:29,680
>> Historically, we as a district have

4152
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:31,720
always just taken care of the CWS for

4153
02:37:31,720 --> 02:37:33,840
you guys. Um

4154
02:37:33,840 --> 02:37:35,680
due to some

4155
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:37,840
changes in code and maybe some

4156
02:37:37,840 --> 02:37:39,960
differences in interpretation with the

4157
02:37:39,960 --> 02:37:43,600
state that we are still arguing. Um they

4158
02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:45,040
have a stance that we don't have the

4159
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:48,000
authority to do that anymore. Um

4160
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:50,920
I'll argue that all day long, but in

4161
02:37:50,920 --> 02:37:52,200
essence of trying to get everybody

4162
02:37:52,200 --> 02:37:53,680
covered, this is the only way we can get

4163
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:56,600
it done right now. So, um and I am a

4164
02:37:56,600 --> 02:37:58,680
little nervous. Um you know, all the

4165
02:37:58,680 --> 02:38:01,000
communities it's we will always be your

4166
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:02,520
firefighting force. We'll always be your

4167
02:38:02,520 --> 02:38:03,960
initial attack. We'll do our best that

4168
02:38:03,960 --> 02:38:06,120
we always can, but there are times we

4169
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:07,520
saw it last year with Rockville that

4170
02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:09,640
we've had to bring aircraft in.

4171
02:38:09,640 --> 02:38:11,280
That is expensive.

4172
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:13,440
Um and if we weren't part of this last

4173
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:14,400
year,

4174
02:38:14,400 --> 02:38:18,360
which we signed for last year, um

4175
02:38:18,360 --> 02:38:19,360
Rockville would have been paying for

4176
02:38:19,360 --> 02:38:20,520
that. I think Springdale would have paid

4177
02:38:20,520 --> 02:38:22,640
for a portion of it, too. So, but um we

4178
02:38:22,640 --> 02:38:25,320
don't want to see that at all. So.

4179
02:38:25,320 --> 02:38:27,080
But and once again, um we take care of

4180
02:38:27,080 --> 02:38:29,360
every aspect that Tom brought up. We

4181
02:38:29,360 --> 02:38:30,560
take care of your participation

4182
02:38:30,560 --> 02:38:32,320
commitment. We take care of the initial

4183
02:38:32,320 --> 02:38:34,280
attack. We take care of the fuel

4184
02:38:34,280 --> 02:38:36,720
mitigations. We do your CWPP, which is

4185
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:39,760
your community wildfire protection um

4186
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:41,760
stuff. We will continue to do that no

4187
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:42,720
matter what.

4188
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:44,600
>> So, this is a little bit of a formality

4189
02:38:44,600 --> 02:38:46,640
just that the state's requiring now.

4190
02:38:46,640 --> 02:38:47,080
>> Yes.

4191
02:38:47,080 --> 02:38:49,560
>> Okay. Thank you.

4192
02:38:49,560 --> 02:38:51,320
>> And just a

4193
02:38:51,320 --> 02:38:53,640
I take responsibility for getting this a

4194
02:38:53,640 --> 02:38:54,920
little bit late to Tom. I should have

4195
02:38:54,920 --> 02:38:58,360
got it to him sooner. So, my bad.

4196
02:38:58,360 --> 02:38:58,960
Uh

4197
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:01,200
the other thing is the the agreement

4198
02:39:01,200 --> 02:39:04,080
that Tom's talking about is

4199
02:39:04,080 --> 02:39:07,080
we have uh the chief sent me a copy of

4200
02:39:07,080 --> 02:39:09,480
the agreement that they did with

4201
02:39:09,480 --> 02:39:12,920
Hurricane City and I sent that to Tom.

4202
02:39:12,920 --> 02:39:16,400
He has sent it to Greg and Greg will get

4203
02:39:16,400 --> 02:39:19,360
to it to look at it so that we will have

4204
02:39:19,360 --> 02:39:22,440
our attorney in once Greg looks at it.

4205
02:39:22,440 --> 02:39:28,280
Um then we'll need to accept that agreement, right?

4206
02:39:28,280 --> 02:39:30,280
So, that's that's why we don't have that

4207
02:39:30,280 --> 02:39:31,760
agreement right now.

4208
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:33,560
>> But this is urgent.

4209
02:39:33,560 --> 02:39:34,640
>> But this is

4210
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:35,000
>> we

4211
02:39:35,000 --> 02:39:38,400
>> This is we can adopt this, but then we

4212
02:39:38,400 --> 02:39:41,720
will uh, on top of that, so to be able

4213
02:39:41,720 --> 02:39:44,040
to cover the town's re- requirements

4214
02:39:44,040 --> 02:39:46,360
under this agreement uh, Hurricane

4215
02:39:46,360 --> 02:39:48,320
Valley City will cover it.

4216
02:39:48,320 --> 02:39:49,160
>> Okay.

4217
02:39:49,160 --> 02:39:51,000
>> And we will end up signing an agreement

4218
02:39:51,000 --> 02:39:53,000
with them, but this this covers us right

4219
02:39:53,000 --> 02:39:56,080
now if we pass this tonight, tomorrow

4220
02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:57,360
there's a

4221
02:39:57,360 --> 02:39:59,360
uh, there's a fire that the state has to

4222
02:39:59,360 --> 02:40:01,480
respond to

4223
02:40:01,480 --> 02:40:03,720
we're covered, right?

4224
02:40:03,720 --> 02:40:04,520
>> Correct.

4225
02:40:04,520 --> 02:40:05,200
>> So

4226
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:05,600
>> Mhm.

4227
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:08,680
>> This is something that

4228
02:40:08,680 --> 02:40:10,400
you know, before there's any lightning

4229
02:40:10,400 --> 02:40:12,000
around here

4230
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:14,080
or anything else, we should

4231
02:40:14,080 --> 02:40:16,120
>> The downside is that we're just kind of

4232
02:40:16,120 --> 02:40:19,120
financially on the hook now for maybe

4233
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:20,360
about $10,000.

4234
02:40:20,360 --> 02:40:22,640
>> At this point, yes, until we pass this.

4235
02:40:22,640 --> 02:40:24,000
>> pass this.

4236
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:25,120
>> Mhm. But that [clears throat] that

4237
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:27,200
financial commitment is can be in kind.

4238
02:40:27,200 --> 02:40:28,840
That that's not a that's not a cash

4239
02:40:28,840 --> 02:40:30,760
requirement and that also applies to

4240
02:40:30,760 --> 02:40:32,480
anything that anybody does on their

4241
02:40:32,480 --> 02:40:34,120
property. So, it's not just what the

4242
02:40:34,120 --> 02:40:36,640
town does, it's um, Randy recently did a

4243
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:37,920
bunch of fuels reduction on his

4244
02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:40,040
property. The value of that can count

4245
02:40:40,040 --> 02:40:41,720
towards the participation commitment.

4246
02:40:41,720 --> 02:40:43,960
>> And and we have already done

4247
02:40:43,960 --> 02:40:45,600
participating commitment for Springdale

4248
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:47,080
for the year 2026.

4249
02:40:47,080 --> 02:40:49,440
>> Okay. Yeah, cuz Dave came and helped a

4250
02:40:49,440 --> 02:40:54,230
bunch of us. Yeah.

4251
02:40:54,240 --> 02:40:55,320
» You know

4252
02:40:55,320 --> 02:40:57,040
we are not going to walk away from that.

4253
02:40:57,040 --> 02:40:58,560
We're going to even

4254
02:40:58,560 --> 02:41:00,040
pivot as we're working through this

4255
02:41:00,040 --> 02:41:01,400
other agreement which just kind of

4256
02:41:01,400 --> 02:41:03,200
solidifies everything in the in the

4257
02:41:03,200 --> 02:41:04,360
documents.

4258
02:41:04,360 --> 02:41:06,680
We will continue to do your your PC in

4259
02:41:06,680 --> 02:41:09,600
every aspect that we do as the district.

4260
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:11,480
>> Okay.

4261
02:41:11,480 --> 02:41:13,120
Will I recommend that we approve this

4262
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:15,760
cooperative agreement tonight, and then

4263
02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:21,240
we'll look at the new agreement that Greg approves at

4264
02:41:21,240 --> 02:41:23,200
a later date.

4265
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:25,000
>> I totally recommend that.

4266
02:41:25,000 --> 02:41:26,600
>> Okay. Let's get a motion.

4267
02:41:26,600 --> 02:41:29,800
>> I have a motion. I move to approve the

4268
02:41:29,800 --> 02:41:32,600
cooperative agreement with Utah Forestry

4269
02:41:32,600 --> 02:41:33,880
and Fire

4270
02:41:33,880 --> 02:41:36,480
and State Lands under the Cooperative

4271
02:41:36,480 --> 02:41:39,200
Wildfire Systems and direct the mayor to

4272
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:42,920
sign. Additionally, I would like that to

4273
02:41:42,920 --> 02:41:46,640
direct the staff to coordinate

4274
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:49,840
an agreement with HVSSD

4275
02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:53,000
to help us fulfill the the requirements

4276
02:41:53,000 --> 02:41:56,360
of the CWS.

4277
02:41:56,360 --> 02:41:57,520
>> I'll second that.

4278
02:41:57,520 --> 02:41:59,240
>> Motion by Kayla, second by Randy.

4279
02:41:59,240 --> 02:42:00,440
>> That I

4280
02:42:00,440 --> 02:42:01,280
>> Barb Wright?

4281
02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:02,000
>> Jack,

4282
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:02,760
>> I.

4283
02:42:02,760 --> 02:42:03,840
>> Okay.

4284
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:06,600
Are there any council discussion before

4285
02:42:06,600 --> 02:42:10,390
we go into closed session?

4286
02:42:10,400 --> 02:42:13,080
Okay. So, do we We don't adjourn this

4287
02:42:13,080 --> 02:42:14,720
meeting. We just make a Somebody make a

4288
02:42:14,720 --> 02:42:19,070
motion to go into closed session?

4289
02:42:19,080 --> 02:42:21,360
» I move to go into closed session.

4290
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:22,320
>> I'll second.

4291
02:42:22,320 --> 02:42:24,280
>> Motion by Jack, second by Kayla.

4292
02:42:24,280 --> 02:42:25,000
>> Jack,

4293
02:42:25,000 --> 02:42:25,680
>> Randy, I.

4294
02:42:25,680 --> 02:42:26,560
>> Barb Wright?

4295
02:42:26,560 --> 02:42:27,240
>> Jack, I.

4296
02:42:27,240 --> 02:42:28,360
>> Kayla, I.

4297
02:42:28,360 --> 02:42:36,350
>> Okay.

4298
02:42:36,360 --> 02:42:37,647
» Captain Mulholland, thank you.

4299
02:42:37,647 --> 02:42:37,920
>> [laughter]

4300
02:42:37,920 --> 02:42:43,390
>> And and now we're making them leave.

4301
02:42:43,400 --> 02:42:44,800
» Yeah.

4302
02:42:44,800 --> 02:42:47,120
Three