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It's 5:00 PM and we're at the Canyon

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Community Center for the July 1 meeting

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of the Springdale Planning Commission.

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From the town, we have Tom Dancy,

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Eugenie Ikium. Did I say that right?

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Welcome.

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Uh Nile Connelly and April Ratitz. On

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the dis we have Susan McPortland, Zion

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National Park representative, Rich

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Swanson, Terry Kruski, myself, Jennifer

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McCulla, Paul Zimmerman, and Melissa

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Labour,

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Kosh Bati is out tonight. Melissa, can

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you vote?

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>> Thanks. Is there a motion to approve

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tonight's agenda?

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>> I move that we approve tonight's agenda.

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>> Motion by Paul, second by Melissa. All

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in favor? Rich I.

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>> Terry I.

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>> Jennifer I.

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>> Paul I.

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>> I.

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>> Motion passes. Are there any general

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announcements from the town?

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Yeah, welcome.

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>> Welcome.

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>> Any other announcements?

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Are there any declarations of conflict

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of interest?

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Okay, for tonight's agenda, we have

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three action items. The first is a

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grading permit request. Mr. Adam Hyatt

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has request a grading permit to expand a

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sunken patio at 251 Anosi Way. Staff

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contact is Nile Connelly and Nile will

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be presenting.

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Okay, I think that works. Thank you. So,

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um yes, this is a grading permit

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application. Uh the applicant is Mr.

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Adam Hyatt. Um Mr. Hyatt wishes to

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expand the sunken patio at the back of

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his property. Um, so he'll do that by

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excavating into into the ground there.

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The proposed excavation would increase

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the usable patio space at the back of

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his home. Um, the engineering drawing

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shows a proposed cut slope of just under

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10 ft in height at the rear of the

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property. I'll just go and scroll down

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to that.

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Um, so this is the proposed cut slope.

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And then there's also a shorter cut

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slope here of about 4 ft in height which

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is closer to the house. And the

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engineers assessment on slope stability

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um is that they expect the excavation

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won't need any retaining because of the rock that's there. Um

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the engineer states that the excavate

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excavation will be monitored and so if

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conditions are different than expected

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um a retaining wall or some retaining

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may be required. Uh so the staff report

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includes a few conditions that the

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planning condition planning commission

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could consider uh if you were to go

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ahead and approve the application. Um,

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I'd be happy to answer any questions

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from the commission.

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» I have a I have a few here. Um, so the line shown here, the the box around

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the outside, that is the um that's the

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perimeter of the of the property.

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>> That is correct.

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>> But but beyond that is open space

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because of the nature of the Anastasia

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development. Correct.

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>> It's the conservation easement. Correct.

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>> So that's why we can build right up to

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he can dig right up to the property

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line.

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>> Yeah. So in the in the Anastasia

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subdivision there aren't the same

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setbacks as apply in in

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>> Okay. Um the other thing is in in 1015B

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drainage control 1015B 6 C and D. Um I

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didn't see anything about that. Is that

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not required here? I just did notice

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there was a small or box drawn in as a

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existing drain.

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» Could you give me that reference again?

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drainage control and I wondered if the

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small box that's listed on the drawing

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make sure I got the right one. So, it

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says, "The grading contractor or general

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contractor shall take measures to

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prevent mud, dirt, rocks, and other

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debris from being transported to the

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construction site onto adjacent streets.

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proposed grading contractor

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shall be responsible for cleaning

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uh within 24 hours and then temporary

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drainage structures shall be placed on

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site to control runoff during the

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construction phase. That that's the

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point specifically the temporary

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drainage control. There was nothing

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listed except that small box on the

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drawing that labeled as a drain which

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may well be sufficient. I just wanted to

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make sure I understood if that was

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>> Yeah. So as you can see here there's the

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direct runoff to existing drainage

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system.

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been provided for drainage in the

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application.

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have a flood path to the road?

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information in the drawings to indicate

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how the water would flow if it if this

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drainage got clogged, I guess, would be

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and where that would go. Um,

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so the information we have is just

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what's in the drawing at this time. Um,

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maybe I'll ask the applicant if they

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have any thoughts on that. Okay,

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those are my questions.

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>> Are there any other questions for Nile?

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>> Okay, we can move into planning

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commission deliberation.

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We're going to ask if the um applicant

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want to make any presentation.

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>> Does the applicant want to make a

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presentation?

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intent is to uh install a patio

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in this in this cut area. That's is that

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>> Uh first off, Adam Hyatt uh town

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resident.

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>> Oh, yeah. [clears throat]

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>> Yeah. So, that's that's my intention now

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is just to get a little bit more

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utilization out of my backyard. Um as it

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sits right now, it's on a ridge line. If

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I can drop that down and put like a

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barbecue and some tables and, you know,

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hangout area type there. So, so there

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would be construction of a patio once

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the um grading is done.

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>> I mean, it's not it's not just going to

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if there's enough space.

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and so one of the questions I have is so

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there's a there's a four approximately 4

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foot rise um between the house and the

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main flat part of the patio there. Um,

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so is it it would be your intent to

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build stairs there? Right. So that's not

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an intent to cut into the rock to create

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stairs.

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because that that 4 foot that's being

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left there is already in place. And so

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I'm just basically bringing the other

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the the back part of the lot down 10

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feet because otherwise 14t basically

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from my fixed elevation height from the the where we constructed our house

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to the back of the the lot. And so just

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bringing that down 10 ft gives me a 4ft

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gap basically at which point in time I

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would have to build stairs to get access

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obviously.

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>> So you would build stairs versus cutting

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um because they want to make sure of

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that. Um one other thing in the photo

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there in one of the photos at the bottom

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there's a there's a wall in the photo.

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permit. Is is there an intent to build a

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>> Yes and no. That's part of my HOA. Um so

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HOA says they're hesitant on that. The

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HOA only allows up to I want to say five

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foot walls. And by the way, I apologize

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for the very terrible Photoshop quality.

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allow a wall, they only allow up to a

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five foot wall and the city only has to

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approve, I want to say, six foot and

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over. Is that right?

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wall, but again, that's going to be my

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HOA making that call rather than me.

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don't I don't want to build build that

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any higher [laughter]

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>> this may be a question for the staff. So

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at the time that the applicant were to

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build um a patio there would that be

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something that would that would come to

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us or would that be just be done by

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managed by staff

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a grading pyramid. Now, after the

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grading is done, there's an intent to

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build a patio and possibly build a wall.

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Would they come to the town staff? Would

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they come to the planning commission? Do

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you have a sense on that? If that

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>> Sure. So, though if if uh if Mr. how it

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wanted to build the wall, that would be

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a wall permiss that would come to staff,

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but it wouldn't be sent to the planning

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commission. If you wanted to put a deck

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or or something out back in that area,

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that's that's not going to need a permit

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because it's, you know, just within

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>> Okay. I just want to confirm that if a

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question. A three and a half foot wall

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>> let me know when I need to put that in.

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>> Okay. Um, those were my questions. Any

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» I don't have any questions. Does anybody

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else have any questions for staff or the

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have questions for the staff, but

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um I'm a little confused with the you

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know there's not a geotech report or

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slope stability analysis. And when I go

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back and read 1015 F5, it appears to

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there's a requirement for both of those

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in this in this case. And so I'm I'm

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curious as to why

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kind of skating past that.

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>> Sure. So with with that, yeah, in 1015,

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if you're excavating

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um

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close to a property line um or one of

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those other sensitive features that list

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that's listed, uh slope stability is is

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something that needs to be looked into.

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Uh usually that would be part of a

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geotechnical report,

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>> right? Um

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in this case because of the kind of

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limited nature of of the um development

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a geotechnical report wasn't triggered. Um and so in this

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case, the applicant relied on an

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engineer, a letter from the engineer to

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um

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to to discuss that kind of slope

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stability uh piece um

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yeah, in an attempt to to satisfy that

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requirement. Um

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>> well I what [clears throat] my reading

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of 1015 F5

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um you know I I interpret that to mean

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that um you know any addition to an

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existing building when the combined area

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of the existing building and new

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addition exceeds 1,000 square feet in

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area the existing building's a thousand

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square feet in area and the new

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structure uh you know satisfies the

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condition the the require you know the

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statement of any addition

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So that would that would trigger the

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geotech report I would think. So I'm

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wondering why we we've not done that in

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this case

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>> or maybe should.

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>> Sure. Yeah.

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>> Slope stability would come with that

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geotech report. So

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>> yeah that that's correct. So in in this

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section you're referring to so 1015 F5

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it talks about the the when a

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geotechnical report is required. Right.

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So there's subdivision approval, there's

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DDR for a new building over 500 square

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feet. Um any addition to an existing

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building uh when the combined area of

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the building and a new addition is a,000

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square ft. Any structure intended for

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human occupancy and then number five is

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in any other circumstance where the DCD

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determines the site or soil conditions

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warrant a geotechnical report. So the um

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excavation

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kind of my reading of those was that the

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excavation

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didn't really trigger any of those those

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requirements. Um however there is the

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flexibility in the fifth point where

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uh in other instances where it's

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determined that the site or soil

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conditions warrant a geotechnical report

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there is that that ability to

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>> that's that's [clears throat] one uh

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instance but item three there says you

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know if it's a u an addition to an

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existing building or structure or

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structure the patio that's going to be

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constructed constitutes a structure um

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for this purpose I think and so

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therefore that would be a requisite uh

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under item three as well and the slip

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stability analys analysis is you know

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arguably something that where soil

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conditions warrant a report as well so

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again I think that's

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something probably that we missed there

351
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>> yeah I I think that's that's a valid

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point of view and that is something that

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you could request or you could

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deliberate on for sure.

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» Questions?

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>> Yes.

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I know sometimes

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» Wilson I I just have to say because I I

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did all this work when I built Adam's

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house and I I know the property line

361
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slope stability analysis requirement. I

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was just barely up against it. Tom and I

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know what we're talking about. I think

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that's a a rule to be enforced. However,

365
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I must say there is a geotechnical

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report on this. I have it. Uh, it does

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say that you can shave that wall

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vertically because it is rock and I sat

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on the tractor and shaved that wall the

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first time. And so I know I know

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personally speaking that is solid

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sandstone and it says it you don't need

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to stabilize that wall. And so I'm just

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sitting there and I know that's

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information you don't have. I also know

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that the drainage goes right into the

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drainage right below his house. It isn't

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muddy material. If there's rain during

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construction, it'll be clean water. It's

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not it's not going to plug anything up.

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I This this should be a slam dunk, but I

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know that's information you didn't have

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and I have it, but I do have that report

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and there is a geotechnical report. Um,

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we had to do it when I built the house

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and it does specifically say that that

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wall is fine to shave because it is

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rock. It's not sand or something else. I

389
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just wanted to let you guys know.

390
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>> Thank you.

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Does that report still stand valid for this purpose after

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>> it would the description of the soils

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and the material would would still be

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valid. Um

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>> does would it extend to the depth of the

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excavation

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>> going back quite a ways?

398
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>> I I think we'd need to read the report.

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Um it it wasn't on the file. Um, so I

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think we'd we'd have to source that if

401
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you wanted to look at it.

402
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If for some reason that there's parts of

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that crumbling and they have to build a

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wall, I know that's come to the city for

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a permit on that. Would a a report be

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necessary then to ensure the wall is

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adequate to stabilize the um

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>> Yeah, if there was a if there was a

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retaining wall built, it would need to

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be

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um designed by an engineer to determine

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that it was sufficient.

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» Any other questions?

414
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Um Paul, to your point about um the

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triggering of the patio being next to

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the structure,

417
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um I'm just wondering if it's

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appropriate at this point to consider

419
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that

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um for future because that will go

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through a future process.

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And if the grading permit is approved,

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then the next step would have to be

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compliant,

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meet the meet the requirements that

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you're referring to.

427
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Does that make sense?

428
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>> Yeah. I mean, I you know,

429
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I don't know the way I mean, the way

430
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it's currently drafted, I don't think we

431
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need to change the current drafting the

432
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ordinance. I think it's fairly to me

433
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it's fairly clear that um there's a

434
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requirement there

435
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um and and not just in one area but in a

436
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couple areas and you know arguably yeah

437
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maybe the conditions are such that based

438
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on you know previous excavation that we

439
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think that there's probably not much

440
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going to happen there but

441
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[clears throat] the reason we were we

442
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uh made changes some you know a while

443
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ago to require slope stability analysis

444
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when we were getting close to property

445
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lines like this was because we felt that was a a reasonable thing to do, an

446
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intelligent thing to do and and would

447
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prevent the possibility of, you know,

448
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excavating having a slope failure and

449
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then then trying to sort it out and

450
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figure out how to get it right after the

451
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fact. Um, you know, we need to, um,

452
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obviously we make the ordinances so that

453
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we uh do it in the right order. Um, when

454
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we do it in the wrong order, then we're,

455
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you know, potentially opening people up

456
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to all kinds of different things,

457
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liability or, you know, lack of, you

458
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know, intent or whatever. I mean,

459
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there's lots of different things that

460
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can happen. So, um, it seems smart to me

461
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to do it the right in the right order,

462
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but

463
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one of one of the thoughts I have is

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that

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we're not actually approving a structure

466
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here.

467
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>> Right. Well, we're not approving a

468
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structure, but we're approving

469
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a development where there will be a

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struct or there is an instruct a

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structure. And the way the ordinance

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reads it says, you know, a patio is a

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structure, whether it's attached to the

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building or not attached to the

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building. If that's if the intent of

476
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this dig is to put a patio in, then it

477
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meet then that requisite comes into

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play.

479
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In past discussions we've had about

480
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patios and part of it comes down to what

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how the patio is made. Um a concrete

482
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patio at ground level

483
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which I guess would be a a cut ground

484
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level. Um for example can go into a

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setback because it's not a structure in

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that sense. So on the other hand, a

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wooden deck might actually be a

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structure.

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There would probably have to be railings

490
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with the 4ft drop. So

491
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again, I'm a little thought what we're

492
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approving, we're discussing here is a

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grading permit. Although you're right,

494
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it does lead to an intended structure.

495
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It's part of why I asked the question

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about whether that would be whether that

497
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would come back. Um

498
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I don't know. Okay. So we could so one

499
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would be to require well if there is an

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original let me ask this question maybe

501
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the staff. So if there is an original

502
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geotechnical report that came along with

503
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the construction of the house we've

504
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discussed a little bit here about

505
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whether that would apply to this. Um

506
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would it make sense to have a condition

507
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to that the engineering firm that

508
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produced the report would produce a

509
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document say a letter indicating that

510
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this report also applies or would need

511
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some other adjustment.

512
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>> Yes. So just a couple of points. Um, so

513
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I I think if if there is going to be a

514
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requirement for a geotechnical report,

515
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it would be it would would be the the

516
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last point which is in any other

517
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instances where it's determined that

518
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this cider soil's conditions warrant a

519
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geotechnical report rather than the

520
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addition to the the building.

521
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This is kind of a technicality, but just

522
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the what it says here is any addition to

523
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an existing building where the combined

524
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area of the existing building a new

525
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addition exceed 1,000 square ft in area.

526
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Um

527
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so as as defined in the code, a building

528
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is, you know, a structure with a roof

529
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and walls. So the patio,

530
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I don't know that that really falls in

531
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there. However, if if the commission

532
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thinks that a geotechnical report

533
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is needed, it would be it would be on

534
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,039
the that final point where in instances

535
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where it's determined that it warrants a

536
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G geotechnical report. But that's kind

537
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of an aside.

538
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the your question about whether it would

539
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be possible to take the previous

540
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geotechnical report and have an engineer

541
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or a geologist look at that and provide

542
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an additional

543
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study on slope stability to kind of

544
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augment that and and and

545
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kind of apply it to this situation. I

546
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:43,919
think that would be something that would

547
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:46,880
be possible. Yeah.

548
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,559
What is the definition of slope

549
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:54,240
stability? Because I mean, yes, we're creating a a hole, but we're not

550
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,240
digging into a slope. That's pretty flat

551
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,080
property.

552
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,640
>> Well, there's an existing slope in the sense that it's even though it's

553
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,240
vertical, there's a 10-ft slope that's

554
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,000
going to get moved back. I don't know

555
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,320
how how far back is this wall get moved.

556
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,440
>> 16 to 18.

557
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,360
>> Okay. So, we're going to move that

558
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,559
vertical section back 16 feet and you'll

559
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,039
have a 10- foot

560
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,039
click cliff, for lack of a better term,

561
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,480
which you know,

562
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,080
>> yeah, we're creating that.

563
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,919
>> Yeah.

564
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:29,840
>> Well, I mean, it's existing, so we're

565
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,840
just kind of moving it back. So,

566
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,440
but the in the intent of the slope

567
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,360
stability stability analysis is to make

568
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,520
sure that you know by cutting into the

569
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,000
into that ground there, you're not

570
00:25:42,000 --> 00:26:02,880
creating a hazardous situation. So, at this point we have a we have a

571
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,360
letter from the engineering organization

572
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,039
um indicating that they expect

573
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,520
substantial sandstone in the excavation

574
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,799
site.

575
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:16,240
and that they will monitor the

576
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,080
excavation.

577
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,440
Um, and we're already talking about if

578
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,440
something is found during excavation

579
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,640
that that that would have to come back

580
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,919
for a permit to build a wall, right?

581
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:31,200
That's part of what we're talking about

582
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,880
in conditions or what were recommended

583
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,720
in the conditions. Correct.

584
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,279
>> I don't know that it would require a a

585
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,440
separate permit. Um, I think it would

586
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,679
just be during during the construction

587
00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:46,000
process. um during our inspections if it

588
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,600
was if issues were arising then they

589
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,120
would need to provide an engineering

590
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:55,200
drawing to to show that retaining wall

591
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,440
and and how that would be built. So it wouldn't necessarily need an

592
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,320
additional permit to kind of brace that

593
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,470
wall if it was necessary.

594
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,279
ah of you know mainly so in

595
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:13,120
>> well I mean the other the other problem

596
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,360
associated with that too is if it's if

597
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,080
it's determined after you dig a hole

598
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,080
that there's additional stability needs

599
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,240
to there's additional expense associated

600
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,799
with that increase in stability and it

601
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,880
could be quite expensive which could

602
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,640
potentially lead to a situation I'm not

603
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,400
saying that's the case here but it's

604
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,799
potentially in general leads to a

605
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,159
situation where it may become

606
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:36,240
unaffordable for the for the property

607
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,240
owner to actually do the stabilization.

608
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,640
And so then you get into a you know a

609
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,919
case where you know it doesn't get done

610
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:44,799
or doesn't get

611
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,600
>> the letter from the engineer does

612
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,679
address that

613
00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:52,640
saying that a retaining wall

614
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,120
could be reinforced.

615
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,559
Um it also mentions about flattening the

616
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:01,039
slope to a safe slope

617
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,200
or providing a retaining wall to

618
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,679
stabilize the slope.

619
00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:07,200
So,

620
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,520
it's documented that that would be

621
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,200
monitored and addressed if needed

622
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,279
and part of the recommended

623
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,399
conditions of approval if we decide to

624
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:44,789
approve it.

625
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:48,480
I I see it as basically when you look at

626
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,399
the property and I I've seen it in

627
00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:55,600
person too is just pushing that back

628
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,080
and you know as long as there's already

629
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,880
the proper drainage there

630
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,760
um as far as the grading permit goes and

631
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,000
with an engineer already looking at it

632
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,840
and

633
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,919
um following the grading of that

634
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:13,440
property.

635
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,399
I think with those conditions

636
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:21,510
it seems okay to me.

637
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,320
» Engineer also in the letter claims that

638
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,480
they will indicates that they will

639
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,799
monitor the excavation.

640
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,919
Um, so

641
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:33,679
we could add something that says that if

642
00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:37,039
something is found that they stop

643
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,640
immediately rather than continue the

644
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,840
excavation and come back with a plan so

645
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,600
that

646
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080
if during the excavation some problem is

647
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,919
found that they don't continue the

648
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,399
excavation until uh there's an

649
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:53,840
engineering solution. is that I mean I

650
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,000
get your point that

651
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,360
you do some excavation and then find the

652
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320
problem and then it's loose

653
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,360
and then your concern is that

654
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,279
rain might come or something might

655
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:33,590
>> Yeah. I mean there's a lot of different

656
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,480
personally I I'm not feeling that that a

657
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,000
new report is necessary assuming

658
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,960
and we make it at the condition that it the excavation is observed.

659
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,919
>> It for me the bigger concern is the

660
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:50,480
slope stability analysis. So which

661
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:57,120
normally comes as a part of the of the actual survey and the report or

662
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,039
may probably is best to come at the same

663
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,679
time but um you know if we don't do one

664
00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:03,679
then do we not do the other or should we

665
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:06,000
just require that a slope slope

666
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,799
stability I mean one solution would be

667
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:10,880
to go back and say hey let's go you know

668
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,919
back to the the engineering company and review the uh previous engineering

669
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:20,720
report, but then then supplement it now

670
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,559
with a slope stability analysis that

671
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:28,149
shows that it's going to be okay.

672
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:29,840
I don't even know what that entails

673
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,320
because I can see I know slope when you

674
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,840
can like judge how much weight is

675
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480
pushing down. But since this is flat,

676
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,159
you I don't know how you do this. Would

677
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:40,159
you have to dig cores out to see what

678
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:43,919
the heck is there to determine if those

679
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:47,519
rocks are stable 60 feet out?

680
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,840
I mean, not being a geotech engineer

681
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,679
myself, I don't I don't know the answer

682
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,559
to that question, but you know, we we

683
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,559
were concerned about people building too

684
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,399
close to the property line and and

685
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:00,159
potentially undermining the neighboring

686
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:04,640
slope. And that's, you know, a vertical dig immediately on the

687
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,600
property line to me certainly meets that

688
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,399
criteria. So, you know, why do we change

689
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:12,960
the rules if we not going to abide by

690
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,039
them? I just don't quite understand. I

691
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:16,320
think in this case it's the

692
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,159
circumstances of the um how the property

693
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,080
lines are up at Anastasia.

694
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,919
>> Well, I understand that is different,

695
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:26,640
but it's still it's still potentially an

696
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,799
issue, you know. I mean, it it's

697
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,320
there's not a house next door that's

698
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,919
going to fall down, but there is, you

699
00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,480
know, um

700
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,799
>> there's property owned by the HOA.

701
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:40,399
>> Yeah. That the HOA owns that's going to

702
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:46,240
get potentially impacted. So, if the if the report came back and

703
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,720
said it was unstable, the solution would

704
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,159
be some kind of retaining wall would

705
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,000
have to be created.

706
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,279
>> And it seems like we already have

707
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:54,720
agreement that they would do that if

708
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,590
they find an instability

709
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,240
» unless unless um some new report would

710
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,799
recommend some mitigation during the

711
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,960
excavation. Well, the Yeah, I mean, my

712
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,320
understanding the letter is the letter

713
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,159
says that the letter doesn't say that

714
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:15,679
the engineering firm is going to put in

715
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:18,000
a wall. The engineering firm is going to

716
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
recommend a wall be put in and then

717
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,480
somebody has to fund that and presumably

718
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,080
that would be the applicant here. Um, so

719
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,320
potentially you get into a situation

720
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,200
where you create an unstable situation

721
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,720
and then the engineering company says,

722
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,760
"Hey, we need to do this to fix it." And

723
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,200
the guy says, "Well, I can't afford

724
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,399
that. So, what do we do then?

725
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:43,200
>> Well, I'm comfortable with the condition

726
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,519
language of the applicant must follow

727
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,360
the engineers's recommendations during

728
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,389
construction.

729
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:53,360
Um, if loose rock, soils, or

730
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,679
inconsistencies in the bedrock emerge

731
00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:57,360
during construction, the slope must be

732
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,799
stabilized in accordance with the

733
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,120
engineer's recommendations.

734
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,960
In the event that a retaining wall or

735
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,480
sections of the retaining wall are found

736
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,799
to be necessary during construction, the

737
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,800
applicant must submit details of the

738
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,720
retaining wall material to the town for

739
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,800
approval. The material used for the

740
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,560
retaining wall must comply with the

741
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,720
town's architectural standards and

742
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:25,909
section 1016 of the town code.

743
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:29,200
If the client does not want to install a

744
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,879
retaining wall, then the land needs to

745
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:39,270
be put back to its original condition.

746
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,760
I'm using retaining a solution.

747
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,480
>> Yeah.

748
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,200
And and the other thing about that is is

749
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,079
a geotechnical report

750
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:51,679
you might still end up in the same

751
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,320
condition right in the in the fact that

752
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,359
it's possible

753
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:58,240
>> something that is found and then a

754
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:02,000
retaining wall is needed and and you

755
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,760
know applicant hasn't financially

756
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,040
planned for that. Um

757
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,560
I don't know that it's our role

758
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,359
necessarily to research financial

759
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:13,839
planning of the applicant.

760
00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:21,510
>> Um but um

761
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,920
I think we we're kind of at a point I

762
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,320
think Paul you have one perspective and

763
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,440
then some of us have another

764
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,079
perspective. I don't know that do we

765
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:31,440
have other discussion that's going to

766
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,560
change any of our minds?

767
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,520
Not sure

768
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,680
maybe between us

769
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,359
we could do a kind of thumbs up decide

770
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:44,320
if which way the majority wants to go

771
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,839
and

772
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:48,720
>> yeah I I am I am comfortable with the

773
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,630
letter provided.

774
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,880
» Go ahead. I guess I guess my question is

775
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,160
do do we think

776
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,119
that do we therefore think then that

777
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,280
there's no that a slopes building houses

778
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,280
is not required in this case for some

779
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,240
reason.

780
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:06,960
>> Um

781
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,520
>> is that the interpretation? My interpret

782
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,880
my my my interpretation or my feeling on

783
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,560
this is that geotechnical study was done

784
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,599
on this original cut

785
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,680
and the engineers come back and said

786
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,599
they expect that they will encounter the

787
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,480
same thing. Um

788
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,320
and so in that sense in kind of that the

789
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,680
original geotechnical study applies to

790
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,720
the same piece of property the same area

791
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,800
um especially with an engineer an

792
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,520
engineer observing the cut going on. So

793
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,320
versus not having any geotechnical study

794
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,920
at all um my feeling is that the

795
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,440
original geotechnical study can apply

796
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,079
um given that the engineer has re

797
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,760
reviewed the plan and stated their

798
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,640
expectation based upon that.

799
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Um, I guess it kind of goes back to one

800
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,280
thing Paul said is like if they did do

801
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,640
another study, what would be done?

802
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,040
Um, you know, would there have to be

803
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,720
holes drilled? I don't know. You know,

804
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,640
not being a geotechnical

805
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,430
person myself.

806
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,470
Um,

807
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,800
» where is I and we can do a thumb poll

808
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,480
just to see where we're at discussion

809
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,680
wise like um [clears throat]

810
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,119
who is for approval?

811
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:42,560
>> I'll give it a thumbs up. And the reason

812
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,079
I am is I think how tall is this? Like a

813
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:47,599
4 foot.

814
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,640
>> There's a there's the existing cut.

815
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,320
>> Yeah. And then after the new cut is

816
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,400
done, it would be four feet up and then

817
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,760
flat and then 10 feet up

818
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,240
or just under 10 feet by looking at the

819
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,640
drawings. Right? So if you were to walk

820
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,839
out the back door of of the building,

821
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:07,680
there would be a few feet and then there

822
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,320
would be a 4ft rise and then it would be

823
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,320
flat where the patio would go and then

824
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,079
10 feet.

825
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,720
>> And I think I think the reason for that

826
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:21,270
is 10 feet is the maximum we allow.

827
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,440
Um,

828
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,040
so

829
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,720
the existing cut would occur,

830
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,079
I don't know, it looks to me like it's

831
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,680
something in the range of maybe four

832
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,920
maybe five feet from the wall of the

833
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,480
building to the existing wall today. So

834
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:42,160
that's where the um grading would occur, the cutting

835
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,599
would occur.

836
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,359
>> So I don't see anything in this plan

837
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,200
that you know a 10-ft retaining wall is

838
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,599
not uncommon.

839
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,520
If engineered correct, if needed first,

840
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,920
and if it is, then if engineered

841
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,400
correctly, that's not that uncommon. I

842
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,160
don't see anything that would propose a

843
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,839
an additional hazard.

844
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:07,680
If they do have to put a wall up,

845
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,359
I'd be more concerned if it was a real

846
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:11,760
slope and it was really holding back

847
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,920
more material.

848
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,480
>> There was slope above that coming. Well,

849
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,000
being that there was an engineering

850
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,599
report done first and I don't see any

851
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,800
reason for additional concern, I would

852
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,839
give it a thumbs up,

853
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:30,000
but definitely because they did have a

854
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,880
an original assessment done when they

855
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,710
built the house.

856
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,200
» I I would give a thumbs up for for

857
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,079
similar reasons. Um

858
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:46,240
potentially we could um well within the

859
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,839
conditions that we have and including

860
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:50,640
the letter that we have that the

861
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,640
combination of that to me um makes me

862
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,200
comfortable that that it would be

863
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,440
covered you know that issues would be

864
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,320
covered um

865
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,640
I I would be amanable

866
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,440
potentially to adding a condition of

867
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,760
requiring a review of the report

868
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,839
directly with this in mind but we could

869
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:15,200
talk about that further

870
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:23,030
I think that sounds

871
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:33,190
» No, that's okay.

872
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:39,030
» Let me see.

873
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:46,150
Um,

874
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,079
so

875
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,400
I could make a motion

876
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,680
and

877
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,079
>> discuss probably better than if I

878
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,400
>> didn't if you made it. Yeah, we have.

879
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,640
You made. So, I'll make a motion if if

880
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:06,069
we think we're ready. Okay. Um,

881
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,880
planning commission approves the grading

882
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,599
permit application for an expansion of

883
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:16,960
the sunken patio at 251 Anoszi Way as

884
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,880
discussed in the July 1st meeting, 2026.

885
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,560
This motion is based on the following

886
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,040
findings. The proposed grading project

887
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,640
meets the requirements of 1015B

888
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,599
regarding grading standards and 1015F

889
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,960
regarding the geological hazard zones

890
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,720
regarding the requirement for

891
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,839
geotechnical support in the town uh

892
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:42,720
report of the town code. The planning

893
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,480
commission finds that due to the limited

894
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,240
scope of the project, the engineering

895
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,240
drawings and the stamped letter from the

896
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,040
engineer certifying the design of the

897
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,720
cut slope and confirming the excavation

898
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,599
will be monitored during construction as

899
00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,000
provided by the applicant

900
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
is sufficient to meet the requirements

901
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,800
of this section.

902
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,359
Uh if this approval has the following

903
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:10,079
conditions, the applicant must follow

904
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,160
the engineering recommendations during

905
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,280
construction. If loose rocks, soil or

906
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,760
inconsistencies in bedrock emerge during

907
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,160
construction, the show the slope must be

908
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,480
stabilized in accordance with the

909
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,920
engineer's recommendations.

910
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,160
Additionally, in the event that the

911
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,160
retaining wall or sections of the

912
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,079
retaining wall are found to be necessary

913
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,720
during construction, the applicant must

914
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,800
submit the details of the retaining wall

915
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,760
material to the town for approval. The

916
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,599
material used in the retaining wall must

917
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,359
comply with the town's architectural

918
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:46,480
standards in section 1016 of the town

919
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,550
code.

920
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,560
» Is there a second? I'll second

921
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,680
>> motion by Terry, second by Rich. Is

922
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,720
there any further discussion?

923
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:05,190
>> Uh, no.

924
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,960
» No, I think I think

925
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,720
>> All in favor?

926
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:09,760
>> Rich? I

927
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,640
>> Terry I.

928
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,760
>> Jennifer I.

929
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,319
>> All nay.

930
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:18,870
>> Motion passes.

931
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,680
The second action item

932
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,880
is the design development review um from

933
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Luke Wilson at 50 Zion Park Boulevard

934
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,040
for approval of an expansion to the

935
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,400
parking lot at 50 Zion Park Boulevard.

936
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,440
Staff contact is Nyall Connelly. Nyall

937
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,000
will be presenting.

938
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,400
>> Thank you. So,

939
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,560
this item is a design development review

940
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,640
application for an addition to the

941
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,920
parking lot at 50 Z Park Boulevard. Uh

942
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,720
the applicant's Mr. Luke Wilson.

943
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,280
The commission reviewed this at the June

944
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,920
3rd meeting and requested some

945
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,359
additional information. Um

946
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:05,760
Mr. Wilson provided some additional

947
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,160
information and that's included in in

948
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,560
the packet.

949
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,480
Uh the staff report includes some

950
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,440
discussion on those points um as well as

951
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,319
some potential conditions that the

952
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:19,920
commission could use if you're reminded

953
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,960
to grant approval.

954
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Um we've had two public comments

955
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,960
received um which have been circulated

956
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,079
to the commission uh and they relate

957
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,880
both to potential geological hazards in

958
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,960
this location.

959
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,880
Um, I would be happy to to um give some

960
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,839
information on that perhaps during the

961
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:49,520
uh question time if if you would like uh

962
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,599
later on in the meeting um or or now.

963
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:55,520
So, I'm happy to answer any questions

964
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:04,630
that that you have on the application.

965
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,280
So I'll um start with in the June 3rd

966
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:14,640
meeting um we were informed that the uh

967
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,240
the work had been done and then

968
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:20,319
discovered and and then um halted um and

969
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:22,480
that um I think in the way in the way

970
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,160
the notes were written a detailed

971
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,680
engineering analysis was done

972
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,839
um but it didn't say that it was a

973
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:33,359
geotechnical report or a study. Do we

974
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:35,920
have any more information on what

975
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,200
engineering analysis was done

976
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,240
um for this parking lot expansion

977
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,960
in association with the grading permit

978
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,599
the the postgrading permit?

979
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:51,440
>> Yeah. So there was um a slope study done

980
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,839
for the grading permit. This is this is

981
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:57,280
it here. So you can see the kind of

982
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,839
brown orange area is uh is 30% slopes.

983
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:03,760
Um

984
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,960
and um so that's that that shows kind of

985
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:13,040
where the excavation was. Um and there

986
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,040
was a letter provided from um Rosenberg

987
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,880
Engineering

988
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,839
um which is here. So these these were

989
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:24,160
provided with the grading permit at the

990
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,670
time.

991
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,640
» And and the conclusion of the was there

992
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,160
a conclusion included in in this um

993
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,800
information from the engineer as to

994
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,680
whether there was additional work needed

995
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,760
or there was stabilization needing or

996
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,790
any stabiliz stabilization issues.

997
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,400
So what the letter says here is um

998
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,920
the

999
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,000
so based on the observation and field

1000
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,200
survey the parking lot expansion

1001
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,640
um is located within the 10% and 20%

1002
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,960
slopes and does not appear to pose any

1003
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,440
elevated risk associated with the

1004
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,440
proposed excavation and rock wall

1005
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,040
construction.

1006
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Um and that was so that's um that's what

1007
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,400
we have.

1008
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,670
>> Okay.

1009
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,520
So what what we received then was a

1010
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,599
letter and some drawings showing the

1011
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,560
location of the problem areas.

1012
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,760
Um, and is it correct to understand that

1013
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:41,040
the extended the expanded parking lot

1014
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,200
in its walls are are were positioned as

1015
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,240
to not be in these uh slide areas.

1016
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:54,800
>> So, the the landslide area and the um

1017
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,319
rockfall area ex extend further out into

1018
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,560
the property. I I can bring up some maps

1019
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,319
if you like. Um, but the the excavation

1020
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:14,480
didn't extend into the 30% slopes, but the overall landslide hazard area is larger. Um,

1021
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,240
I can bring up some maps if that would

1022
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,480
be helpful.

1023
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,079
>> Yeah, that'd be good.

1024
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:20,880
>> So,

1025
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,720
>> and I'm confused because I went through

1026
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,400
this packet. I went through the third

1027
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,800
packet. I didn't see this letter. Where

1028
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,400
was this letter?

1029
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,880
So that was this letter was with the

1030
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,880
grading permit that was approved in

1031
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,760
January I think a few months ago. Okay.

1032
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,079
>> So it wasn't part of this application.

1033
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,640
>> So the grading was approved then

1034
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,640
>> the grading permit was approved. It was

1035
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,559
approved retrospectively but it was

1036
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,599
approved. And so

1037
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:52,079
this design development review is for

1038
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:56,000
the the use of the parking lot um kind

1039
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,440
of as a commercial development.

1040
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,040
So if you can see this um the property

1041
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,520
here is this triangular shape

1042
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,680
and the landslide hazard map. So you can

1043
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,079
see this red area [laughter]

1044
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,839
um is the the high landslide hazard

1045
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:20,800
and then the rockfall area.

1046
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,040
No, that's not it. Sorry. The rockfall

1047
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,559
area extends further out onto the other

1048
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:33,910
side of the road.

1049
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,960
So just so I understand correctly, the

1050
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,400
letter is addressing the the actual

1051
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,000
um during the excavation, but it

1052
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,640
specifically says temporary. Does that

1053
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,079
mean that it's not

1054
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,640
um saying that it's permanently stable?

1055
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,319
>> Yeah. So the purpose of the letter was

1056
00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:00,720
at the time the so the the grading was

1057
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:05,839
done and so the um

1058
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:08,000
the town got in touch with with the

1059
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,240
property owner and so as part of that

1060
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:15,200
process we required a a grading or the

1061
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,599
plan showing where the slopes were and

1062
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,319
then the letter and so the engineers

1063
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:24,000
provided that information to

1064
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,319
um

1065
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:29,839
Yeah, to to kind of address the grading

1066
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:33,200
that had happened without a permit. Um,

1067
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,160
but it was it was really just for that grading rather than kind of looking

1068
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:38,960
forward.

1069
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,200
>> Do we have anything looking forward as

1070
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,960
to ongoing stability?

1071
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,720
>> So the um I can talk a little bit about

1072
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:51,119
the the geotechnical

1073
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,040
requirements and and that if that would

1074
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,680
be helpful.

1075
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,000
>> Yeah. So um

1076
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,880
so as you can see in the maps uh it is

1077
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,520
in the these geologic hazard areas. Um

1078
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,760
so the geologic hazard um the

1079
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,640
requirements for a geotechnical

1080
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,400
report where these geologic hazard would

1081
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,400
be considered is in so it's 105FA

1082
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,240
of the code and I'll I'll just read

1083
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:28,640
those out. So um the geotechnical

1084
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,760
report is required where a subdivision

1085
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,040
for a subdivision approval for DDR of

1086
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,800
any new building over 500 square ft

1087
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,599
um for any additions to buildings where

1088
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,079
the combined size will be over a th00and

1089
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,000
square feet

1090
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,960
or any structure intended for human

1091
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,720
occupancy.

1092
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:55,760
Um, so the the parking lot doesn't

1093
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,440
it isn't any of those types of

1094
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,200
developments. So it doesn't trigger

1095
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,760
that. However, as we were talking about

1096
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,720
earlier, uh the geotechnical report can

1097
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,599
be required in other instances where the

1098
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,640
DCD determines that the site or soil

1099
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,960
conditions warrant a geotechnical

1100
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:23,760
report. So in this instance, the parking lot um

1101
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,760
in itself

1102
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,400
isn't automatically required to provide

1103
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,280
this this hazard assessment. However,

1104
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:36,559
the code does does provide for if if the

1105
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:38,160
director of community development

1106
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,720
determines that it is necessary for

1107
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,480
other reasons to do this assessment,

1108
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,559
that is something that the town can

1109
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,119
require. And so that's that's maybe

1110
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:48,800
something for you to consider in your

1111
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,880
deliberations.

1112
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,040
>> So if it's in a landslide area, that

1113
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,800
could be a reason to require it.

1114
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:08,710
>> That could be a reason.

1115
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,640
Um maybe you can help with one other

1116
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,040
thing because

1117
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,160
1015 F4

1118
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,200
uh talks about geologic hazard study

1119
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,680
area. So there's the list of things in

1120
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,000
which landfall or which a landslide is

1121
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,760
one of the items uh that um indicates

1122
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,920
that it would be in a geologic study

1123
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,480
area. Um and then it's 105

1124
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,400
F5

1125
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,160
um covers these points you've been

1126
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,640
talking about where uh a parking lot is

1127
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,640
not in the list of things that require a

1128
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,480
report.

1129
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,440
Is is there a difference between a study

1130
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,079
and a report?

1131
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:56,400
>> So the geologic uh hazard study areas,

1132
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,160
those those are essentially the

1133
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,240
landslide zones or the rockfall zones or

1134
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,119
the liquefaction zones. So that's in

1135
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,040
section four where it's talking about

1136
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,839
hazard studied areas. That's just

1137
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:12,319
referring to these areas that that have

1138
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:16,559
where these hazards apply. Um as far as

1139
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,720
the the reporting and the assessment

1140
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,760
goes the the first step is the

1141
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,480
geotechnical report and within the

1142
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,440
geotechnical report uh if if that's

1143
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,520
required the geotechnical report will

1144
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,119
make an initial analysis on whether more

1145
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:37,200
detailed assessment is required and that

1146
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,359
more detailed assessment may be required

1147
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:42,240
if there's geologic hazards and if

1148
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:46,079
there's signs of um you know concerning

1149
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,240
science to the geologists and then at

1150
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:52,319
that point if if uh if it's recommended

1151
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:54,800
by the geotechnical engineer that more

1152
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,119
assessment is required then you kind of

1153
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,160
move into the full-blown geologic hazard

1154
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,599
assessment um and that that would come

1155
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,680
next. So the the first step is always

1156
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,400
the geotechnical report and that does

1157
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:27,190
that initial analysis.

1158
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,559
Are there any other questions for Nyall

1159
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:34,160
or the applicant at this point?

1160
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,720
>> I have a question. What was the extent

1161
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:40,640
of excavation that was done in the area

1162
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,280
adjacent to the, you know, the back

1163
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,000
perimeter, if you will? I mean, it

1164
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,480
wasn't a 30% slope, but was it a 10 or

1165
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,720
20% slope and a large amount of soil was

1166
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:54,480
removed or do we know?

1167
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,400
So,

1168
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,440
I think this this map probably

1169
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,839
gives some answers on that. So

1170
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:09,280
um so the white area down here is the

1171
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,280
original area of the parking lot. This

1172
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,040
hatched area is the area that was

1173
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,200
excavated and this is the the hillside

1174
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,440
and the orange areas are the those 30%

1175
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,440
slopes.

1176
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,760
>> So what was the slope of the area that

1177
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,400
was removed? Was it just flat?

1178
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,359
>> It was it was in the range of 10 to 20%.

1179
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:35,839
So 10 to 20% supporting a 30% uphill

1180
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:39,680
from that that was in a geo active area

1181
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,760
potentially.

1182
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,000
>> Correct.

1183
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,280
>> So ju just to clarify. So

1184
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,280
what we understand from the from the

1185
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,680
engineers letter is that the actual

1186
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,400
grading occurred

1187
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,640
in an area that was less than 30%. but

1188
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,720
adjacent to an area that is 30%.

1189
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:31,910
That's correct.

1190
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,839
And I have a question for the applicant

1191
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,720
about the surface water drainage. It

1192
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,799
wasn't included in the information that

1193
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:40,319
came back to us. So I was wondering if

1194
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:49,750
you had any information on on that.

1195
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,480
I think I read in the staff findings or

1196
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,319
whatever Nile sent to me that that would

1197
00:57:54,319 --> 00:57:57,520
need to be done for that addition.

1198
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,599
Couple of things. I I didn't know if

1199
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:03,750
we're here for a grading permit.

1200
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,000
Are we here for a grading permit?

1201
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,480
>> No, it's the design development review,

1202
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,880
>> right? As a design and development

1203
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:11,599
review.

1204
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,400
>> Not any building being built. I think I

1205
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,280
have a grading permit.

1206
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,119
I think all the engineering requirements

1207
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:23,760
were met, but these guys.

1208
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,920
I mean, we talked about all this stuff.

1209
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,160
The the wall that's there is three and a

1210
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,160
half ft tall.

1211
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,720
That's over 24 ft wide at the thinnest.

1212
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,400
You can calculate that angle. It's very

1213
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,240
flat. So, but we've gone through all

1214
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,000
this stuff. I thought we were coming to

1215
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,920
make sure that the small expansion met

1216
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,359
those requirements that we talked about

1217
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:46,319
last time. Some landscaping things. You

1218
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:51,200
guys you guys made a few things that I needed to clarify.

1219
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,720
I think we can go through all the geo if

1220
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,240
we need to, but I think I have a legal

1221
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:59,109
grading permit.

1222
00:58:59,119 --> 00:58:59,680
» As far as

1223
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,040
>> I was just confused when I'm listening

1224
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,359
to the conversation.

1225
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:05,280
>> Well, I guess the question to staff is

1226
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,119
that that's correct. He does have the

1227
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:10,720
grading permit, but um

1228
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,880
we did have questions about the

1229
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,440
obtaining that. So is that like we're we don't go back and talk about that at

1230
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,160
some point or

1231
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,319
>> I think he determines all of that and

1232
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:21,280
they did that.

1233
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:21,599
>> Yeah.

1234
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:24,079
>> I mean we went through all I I did lots

1235
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,799
of mapping, surveying. I had letters

1236
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:28,079
written. We had people come out and

1237
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,480
observe. We did slope stabil sorry slope

1238
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,119
calculations everywhere on that property

1239
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,680
to make sure I was outside of the 30%.

1240
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,640
And I'm not building any structure.

1241
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,440
We were just adding a few spots. So, I

1242
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,480
didn't know we were here to talk about a

1243
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,160
grading permit excavation or any

1244
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,319
geotechnical things. I thought what we

1245
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:48,559
talked about last time were the things

1246
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:51,599
that I needed to do so that I met the

1247
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,160
Nile's requirements for the the few

1248
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,599
extra stalls that we want to put in

1249
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:57,920
bathroom and

1250
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,760
landscaping and that kind of a thing. I

1251
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:00,799
think that was what we were

1252
01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:02,240
>> Yeah. So, one of the things we did talk

1253
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,880
about was the drainage last time. Yeah.

1254
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,160
So, that was my question.

1255
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,760
>> And I'm aware that the drainage has to

1256
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,079
be done and that it has to meet Yeah.

1257
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:10,559
I have

1258
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,119
>> and and and to your point, it does seem

1259
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,920
like a lot of us had questions about the

1260
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,599
original grading permit. So, is it

1261
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:19,440
inappropriate for us to address any of

1262
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,480
that at this point?

1263
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:21,680
>> So, if I can just give a little

1264
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,359
>> I can give a review of all of it if you

1265
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:26,480
want real fast in two minutes like

1266
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,640
>> Yeah. So, ju just to give some context.

1267
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,559
So, the the grading permits already been

1268
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,040
approved. Um and that's that's not the

1269
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,440
subject of this discussion. the

1270
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,480
discussion on the geotechnical and the

1271
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,839
geotechnical uh report and kind of that

1272
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:45,280
aspect um

1273
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,480
that so a geotechnical report can be

1274
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,200
required for any design development

1275
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,200
review under those particular

1276
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,599
circumstances and I think the reason why

1277
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,400
the planning commission is is exploring

1278
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,040
this topic a little bit more is because

1279
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,480
there has been a few um public comments

1280
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:09,599
relating to to the geologic hazards. Um,

1281
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:12,880
and so it is reasonable for the planning

1282
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,200
commission to to explore that a little

1283
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,720
bit, not necessarily to to go over the

1284
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,920
grading permit again, but to understand

1285
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,799
whether or not it more analysis is

1286
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:27,119
required as part of this design

1287
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:29,200
development review. So I I think that

1288
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,280
kind of explains where the planning

1289
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,240
commission's coming from

1290
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,200
>> in which a geotech report would could be

1291
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,559
appropriate for this

1292
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,319
>> because this is a design development

1293
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,760
review. A geotechnical report may be

1294
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,079
required in some instances for design.

1295
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:45,839
>> Is that determined by the DCD or by

1296
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:47,119
them?

1297
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:50,240
>> It's it's determined by the DCD but the

1298
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,280
DCD would take guidance from the

1299
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,559
planning commission.

1300
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,160
>> I thought we already passed that. Do you

1301
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,680
want me to tell you kind of where we got

1302
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,359
with it and why we're here?

1303
01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:00,799
>> I think some of you weren't here last

1304
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:01,680
time.

1305
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,440
>> Yeah. So, let me let me just make one

1306
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:04,640
other statement then I actually would

1307
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,880
like to hear some of your thoughts. Um,

1308
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,200
from my perspective, it wasn't about

1309
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,839
questioning the grading permit as much

1310
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:15,680
as about understanding for this DDR

1311
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,200
review

1312
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,280
um what the conditions of the local

1313
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,760
environment were. And since last time we

1314
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,880
didn't investigate the details of how

1315
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,440
um the geotechnical work was done and

1316
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:34,960
there was simply a statement that there

1317
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,440
was an engineering analysis that we need

1318
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,000
to come back and make sure we understand

1319
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,480
that a detailed engineering analysis and

1320
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,920
we understand kind of what was done in

1321
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,799
the engineering analysis so that we can

1322
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:48,480
decide whether or not additional

1323
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,280
analysis would be required for DDR. not

1324
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,839
that we would go back and somehow change

1325
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:56,480
the grading permit.

1326
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,119
>> Um,

1327
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,839
>> just for you, some of you weren't here

1328
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:02,400
last time, uh, where I failed as I did

1329
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,400
what I've done on many other properties.

1330
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:09,280
I I bought the property from Janet. Um,

1331
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,000
there was an area in the back and the

1332
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,599
map that she had originally was not

1333
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:15,599
correct. It showed that it was 30%

1334
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:17,599
slopes and I've excavated everywhere in

1335
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:19,119
Springdale and I know what those look

1336
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:20,799
like and it was very flat and I thought,

1337
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:23,039
"Oh, there's a little more usable space

1338
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:25,119
um for a few more parking stalls, maybe

1339
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:26,960
again the public lounge at the top,

1340
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,200
whatever." And I've done this on other

1341
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,480
properties and I and I didn't mean to

1342
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,480
cause a problem, but I I I made the

1343
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,079
example to Tom and Nile about the two

1344
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:35,520
little homes across the street from my

1345
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,039
other parking lot that I recently fixed

1346
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:38,960
up. I graded them, fixed the drainage,

1347
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,880
put rock walls around them. Anything

1348
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,119
less than a 4 foot wall is a

1349
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:45,039
non-engineered, we call it a landscape

1350
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,599
wall. It's where I stack boulders. Over

1351
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:53,280
four feet require some engineering. So, I did the same thing. I I went to to

1352
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,000
uh clean up the grading, add a little

1353
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,720
bit of space, and in doing so, and this

1354
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,319
hadn't happened before on on another

1355
01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:01,760
property, so I didn't realize it was an

1356
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,359
issue, but Tom came over and he's like,

1357
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:05,039
"What are you doing? We we we need to

1358
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:06,559
get a permit, whatever." So he stopped

1359
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,000
me and we stopped for like a month or

1360
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,240
two months or something while we had

1361
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,920
mapping done. Um very clear delineation

1362
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,559
of where that 30% slope began, making

1363
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:18,480
sure we weren't over the 4ft cut,

1364
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:25,599
letters about temporary cuts, everything we had to go through. Um

1365
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:28,000
and so we stopped went through and got

1366
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,559
all of that stuff and and then

1367
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,160
proceeded. And I know that we have a

1368
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,520
legal grading permit currently. Um, what

1369
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,720
Nile's purpose of all of this is is that

1370
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,119
because I've added a few parking spaces

1371
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,000
to an already parking lot, that's an

1372
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,319
expansion of an existing use, which now

1373
01:04:46,319 --> 01:04:48,559
triggers complying with some new parking

1374
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,400
lot rules that you guys have that I

1375
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,760
didn't know about. One of them was to

1376
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,680
have a bathroom. Um, one of you, well,

1377
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,760
whatever's on the list, you guys know

1378
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:58,880
what they are.

1379
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,240
>> And so, the difficulty in that, of

1380
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:01,839
course, is there's no sewer. So, we the

1381
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:02,880
workaround there was to do a

1382
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,880
self-contained unit and some kind of a

1383
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,119
business that doesn't require sewer. Um,

1384
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:09,839
I'm trying to comply with those things.

1385
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:13,680
Um, I know that parking lots in general,

1386
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,680
when I did my other parking lot on the

1387
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,319
west side of it, we're up against like a

1388
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:21,920
40% slope. And on this very parking lot,

1389
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,520
not the back where I've excavated where

1390
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,119
it's relatively flat, but on the left

1391
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:26,799
side when Allan Lee did the work

1392
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:29,440
originally, the the parking goes right

1393
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,520
up to a very very steep slope, far

1394
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:32,960
steeper than the than the one that we're

1395
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,920
talking about. And on my other parking

1396
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,559
lot, when I've applied for any kind of a

1397
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,799
building that has, as the code says,

1398
01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:42,880
occupancy, human occupancy, they've been

1399
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,520
very sensitive to the areas that that

1400
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,200
are up against those slopes and that

1401
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,559
fall into that, you know, liquefaction,

1402
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:53,200
rockfall, or slope stability.

1403
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,760
Um, that's why at the back of my other

1404
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,760
property, it's just like a bike shed. I

1405
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,680
don't have any living units because it's

1406
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,280
close to those slopes. So, I don't

1407
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,520
anticipate doing any of that. But as as

1408
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,599
it sits, I understand that those

1409
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:07,839
additional spaces of parking that I've

1410
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:11,280
created by flattening out that area

1411
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,880
trigger a few requirements that I have

1412
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,640
for landscaping, bathrooms, stuff like

1413
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,000
that. And that area, none of it was out

1414
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:25,039
of the 30% slope. So I tried to go back and and work with

1415
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:26,240
these guys to make sure that everything

1416
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,559
that we did was within their code, and

1417
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:31,200
they approved all of that. So I guess we

1418
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,039
can talk about

1419
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,839
uh geotechnical or [laughter] or grading

1420
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:37,200
or whatever all we want, but I feel like

1421
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,640
that's done and approved. We have the

1422
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,720
permit for that and the parking lot is

1423
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,920
built. Just which things do I need to do

1424
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,799
um so that I can use those spaces

1425
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:48,640
because we've triggered the additional

1426
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,520
spaces, additional use, uh expanded use

1427
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,079
of a current parking lot. Does that make

1428
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:55,280
sense? Does anybody have a question

1429
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,200
about that?

1430
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,240
>> That was my understanding of the

1431
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,480
meeting. So, I'll I'll I'll add a

1432
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,799
comment. Part of part of our role here

1433
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:06,400
is to ensure the safety and and of of

1434
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,000
citizens and visitors. Um and so for me

1435
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,799
the concern is

1436
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:15,920
given that that's a high slide hazard

1437
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,319
area was enough engineering work um

1438
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:24,880
engineering analysis done to in to

1439
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,599
create um enough a level of safety for

1440
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:32,319
the typically probably visitors in most

1441
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:35,520
cases who would be parking there during

1442
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,520
let's say a rainstorm or something that

1443
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,359
might lead to a potential slide. Um, I

1444
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:43,119
think some of the discussion we've had

1445
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:45,119
here is helping me understand that there

1446
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,680
was at least some engineering analysis

1447
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,880
done. I haven't heard anything yet that

1448
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,319
really said that that engineering

1449
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:55,039
analysis considered

1450
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:58,079
slide hazard, but I have assumed that

1451
01:07:58,079 --> 01:07:59,280
was standard. So, that would be the one

1452
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,720
question I have. did the engineering

1453
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,680
analysis that was done include slide

1454
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,200
hazard um and consider the safety of

1455
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,960
customers who were using the parking lot

1456
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,720
>> and and because it's a parking lot I

1457
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,720
think it didn't I mean uh right there

1458
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,920
below me on the SR9 um you guys have

1459
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,920
parking at the bottom of a massive you

1460
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,080
guys have seen that massive slope they

1461
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,920
allow parking there as well and I think

1462
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,359
because it's not a building that's

1463
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,839
triggered by the ordinance that we had

1464
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:27,600
to do a lot of engineering and and there

1465
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,040
was monitoring and stuff going on but

1466
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,159
they didn't do do that because I'm not

1467
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:30,799
building build building.

1468
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:32,319
>> Yeah, it's not a building and there's no

1469
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:33,679
there's nobody going to be living there.

1470
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:35,040
>> But if you go up and if and I hope you

1471
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,640
guys have all walked up there. I hope

1472
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,319
you walked up there. The landscaping

1473
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,960
wall at the back is like this high.

1474
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,520
It's like four four feet and then it

1475
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,120
goes back about five feet and then it

1476
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,440
starts to crawl up the slope. The net

1477
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:50,080
cut is very very minimal.

1478
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,000
But compared to a lot of places that we

1479
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,880
park in town, I think I think it's a a

1480
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,560
pool table. But um yeah, I I was

1481
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,159
understanding that we were here for

1482
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:02,960
those other architectural landscaping,

1483
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,560
bathroom, like the metal screening

1484
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,679
around the bathroom, those kind of

1485
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:06,319
things, too.

1486
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,640
>> Well, we we are here for those too. And

1487
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,560
personally, I looked all over those and

1488
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,199
was satisfied other than we didn't get

1489
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:14,319
>> I realize the drainage

1490
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:15,520
>> drainage thing. And that's a condition.

1491
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,080
I know that. Yeah.

1492
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,239
I just had one trivial question and it

1493
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,239
was in there that you have to move the

1494
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:25,120
coffee truck every 3 to four hours per

1495
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,000
the code. Where do you move it to? And I

1496
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,600
Well, I can I I can move it anywhere.

1497
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,520
I've got a lot of property up here, but

1498
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,319
um I

1499
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,440
don't want to have a coffee trailer. I

1500
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:39,759
just felt like because the town can't

1501
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:41,759
provide sewer and and I've offered to

1502
01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:43,600
put in a septic system or a sealed tank

1503
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,359
and in speaking with many of the council

1504
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,679
members, they just didn't like I I was

1505
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:49,520
trying to think of a business. Your code

1506
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,679
reads develop a business complimentary

1507
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:54,239
to the use of the part and I thought

1508
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:55,920
this is a self-contained unit that

1509
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,199
doesn't require sewer. It doesn't

1510
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:00,080
require power. This could work. Do I

1511
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,600
want to have that there long term? No.

1512
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,520
In fact, if I speak openly, I'd like to

1513
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,640
do something different through the

1514
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,960
winter. That's a business that doesn't

1515
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,080
need sewer. Um, I'm potentially

1516
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,800
considering a small, very, very small

1517
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,320
version of the ebike business that I

1518
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,239
have on my other parking lot because I

1519
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:17,840
like the location. It's right across the

1520
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,040
street from the gate. People don't have

1521
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,239
to ride through town. It's not

1522
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:22,400
hazardous. I realize I haven't put that

1523
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,120
forth yet, but that would be a permanent

1524
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,880
steel building that's not designed for

1525
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,719
human occupancy either because I realize

1526
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:30,080
there's a slope there, but I feel like

1527
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,920
it would fit better. But for now, we

1528
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,760
would have that and it would have to be

1529
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,440
moved. Yeah.

1530
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:36,960
But I have lots of property that I could

1531
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,440
put that on.

1532
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:40,560
>> I just want to make sure it wasn't

1533
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,000
>> and it is a nuisance. We don't want to

1534
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,520
do it. But we realize that I'm just

1535
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,800
trying to figure out a business that

1536
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,679
works to meet your code.

1537
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:46,719
>> That works. Yeah.

1538
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:49,033
>> And I feel like it meets the code.

1539
01:10:49,033 --> 01:10:52,790
[snorts]

1540
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,440
I have a question with the So, right now

1541
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:59,040
you have that upper parking um fenced

1542
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,600
off, but it looks like there's some

1543
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,199
lower spots in the corner.

1544
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:08,400
Um is that part that's part of the new

1545
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,920
parking spaces, right?

1546
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,440
>> The map that they put up, can you put up

1547
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:12,800
that original map where it showed the

1548
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,719
original and the new? And do you

1549
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:17,280
possibly have

1550
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:18,320
>> because it looks like that

1551
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,159
>> possibly have a Can you overlay that

1552
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:22,960
with like the real

1553
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,040
that that isn't that isn't accurate

1554
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,760
because um Yeah. Can you go to the

1555
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,320
original? Yeah. On the left side it

1556
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,920
already went way back to the tree. See

1557
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,400
the big tree there? There's a large

1558
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,440
tree. I gain I I added two spaces

1559
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,120
farther back past that tree. See the

1560
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,000
tree on the left now? Right more to the

1561
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,840
left there.

1562
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,320
I went, I think, two spaces past that

1563
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,520
tree and then it began that 30% line,

1564
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,560
the no touch line. In the drawing, it

1565
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:53,760
doesn't show any of that left side

1566
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,199
already being there, but it was already

1567
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,679
there. The the bigger addition that

1568
01:11:57,679 --> 01:11:59,199
they're talking about is just behind the

1569
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:03,520
wall. It affords, I think, six spaces or

1570
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,239
seven. Well, with the change for the

1571
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:07,679
acute parking that you mentioned last

1572
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:10,239
time, I think it's only five.

1573
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:12,400
because of the cute angle parking.

1574
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,239
>> It's not a big difference. [laughter]

1575
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,080
It's getting down to

1576
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,320
>> So, what's fenced off right now is like

1577
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,199
nine spaces.

1578
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:23,679
>> Yeah. Tom as he said he go he he felt

1579
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:26,880
>> Okay. And then currently the other spots

1580
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,080
are being used.

1581
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:28,560
>> Uhhuh.

1582
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:29,760
>> Yeah.

1583
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,560
>> Which I I guess is what was asked,

1584
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:33,520
right?

1585
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,950
>> Yes.

1586
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,719
» Yeah. Generally, the new parking lot

1587
01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:41,679
that that we fixed up is all within the

1588
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:44,480
footprint, a little bit beyond on the

1589
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,320
left side, but most of it is behind that

1590
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,600
wall. That's the new space that they're

1591
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,920
more more sensitive to.

1592
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,960
I also disturbed well uh yeah, all along

1593
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,400
the road I put in some improvements. You

1594
01:12:54,400 --> 01:13:13,430
guys have seen those, too.

1595
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:17,120
So, I I feel like at this point um we at

1596
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,679
least need

1597
01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:22,159
going back to the the request the the

1598
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,560
drainage.

1599
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,040
And

1600
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,760
do we have any other questions

1601
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,679
for the staff or the applicant at this

1602
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:36,790
time?

1603
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,800
So, one of the other things we discussed

1604
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,400
in the last meeting was the um addition

1605
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,880
was more detail on the landscaping to

1606
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:49,040
ensure that it met the minimums. Um, and

1607
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,800
there wasn't a lot of a new detail on

1608
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,560
the um on on the landscaping in terms

1609
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,440
of, you know, I didn't see like

1610
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:04,000
landscaping lists or an indication for

1611
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,520
example that there I think I think it's

1612
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,960
a this property has a 30% minimum

1613
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,280
landscaping. I think

1614
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,000
>> it would be

1615
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,760
>> landscaping or or open space

1616
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,679
requirement.

1617
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:18,640
>> Yeah. So let me just find that

1618
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,320
>> because in some of these properties

1619
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,199
there's there's open space requirement,

1620
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:25,360
there's landscaping requirement and

1621
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,880
there's total together requirement and I

1622
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,040
didn't really see anything that said we

1623
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,880
met those requirements. You got plenty

1624
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,199
of open space in the property, but was

1625
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:37,120
there enough lands? I think when I count

1626
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,600
the well we went we went all around the

1627
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,360
back and when we count the state right

1628
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,840
away I mean we were way because I get

1629
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,760
half the credit for that

1630
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:46,080
>> what

1631
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,080
>> I get a 50% credit for what I do in the

1632
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,239
rightway right the landscaping

1633
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,480
>> yeah so it's quite a lot

1634
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,960
>> so I mean I don't expect that there's

1635
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,480
not enough but I just wanted to confirm

1636
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,880
maybe with the staff that we might

1637
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,239
>> and on the and on the wall the the wall

1638
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:04,000
that we were going to make green I don't

1639
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,520
know if you guys are still considering

1640
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,040
that headto-head parking now that I

1641
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:08,400
don't have the acute angle parking

1642
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,400
there. And the other option was to flip

1643
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,960
it to the left side against the rocks so

1644
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,800
that it's not headtohead. I'll still put

1645
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,239
it on the wall if you want me to just to

1646
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:17,360
green up the wall and make it look

1647
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,440
pretty and not so much like concrete.

1648
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,440
But I don't know if that really even

1649
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,040
applies because we eliminated that

1650
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,280
headto head. I think it's it's only

1651
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,040
headtohead for a few stalls now, I

1652
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:27,920
think,

1653
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,679
>> and they're on different levels. So, I'm

1654
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:30,800
still happy to do that, but I don't know

1655
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,280
if that even applies because and if

1656
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,640
there's any issue, I'm happy to flip the

1657
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,719
cars to the left side where it's against

1658
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:38,400
the back wall, not the front wall, so we

1659
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,880
eliminate the entire head-to-head issue.

1660
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:41,600
>> Does that make sense?

1661
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,360
>> I I think in the last meeting, we

1662
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,000
>> we said that we wanted to have the

1663
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,640
required amount and would offer some

1664
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,880
flexibility in the location

1665
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,760
>> of and so my concern more is about that

1666
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,320
we've meet met the required amount.

1667
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,199
Sure.

1668
01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:01,360
>> And that we've allowed some flexibility

1669
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,239
in the location because of the structure

1670
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:05,199
of the

1671
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:06,800
>> And I did and you were sensitive to

1672
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,080
this. You you mentioned something about

1673
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,679
a heat island in the middle of it having

1674
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:13,120
that one triangular um behind the little

1675
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,199
building large enough and it does it

1676
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:18,640
meets its 90. It's bigger than code but

1677
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,000
asked for 80 or 90 and it's bigger than

1678
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:20,080
I

1679
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,679
>> think it's 80 square feet. So it's long.

1680
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:25,679
>> Yeah. So, we have it at 90 and

1681
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:27,199
so we we shouldn't have to really make

1682
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:29,679
any bends on any rules. I think we met

1683
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:34,709
them all.

1684
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,880
» So, I have a question. I don't I'm not

1685
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,480
sure if you know or the staff can answer

1686
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,400
this. These other parking lots that are

1687
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,239
referred to in town that are right up

1688
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:45,360
against um steep slopes, are they in

1689
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:49,440
landslide hazard zone areas as well? So

1690
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,280
the I think the the spaces he's

1691
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,320
referring to are the town uh on street

1692
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,880
parking that would be just kind of near

1693
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,480
the entrance to the park.

1694
01:16:58,480 --> 01:16:58,880
>> Okay.

1695
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:03,360
>> And yeah, the the um hazard zones do

1696
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,600
extend across SR9 in those areas. Um

1697
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,320
>> those slopes are like 20 30 feet

1698
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,120
vertical. They're huge. He means right

1699
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,520
up there. Yeah.

1700
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,679
>> And they're actually Yeah. In the zone.

1701
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:21,040
>> Yeah. the Rockfall area

1702
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,159
as is a lot of the town.

1703
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:25,840
>> Yeah, that's what I was asking. Thank

1704
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,870
you.

1705
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,440
» So, forgive my ignorance, but I don't

1706
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,159
quite understand what the town's

1707
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:42,149
ordinance are for rock fall hazards.

1708
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:48,080
So that part of the of the ordinance we were talking earlier about there's

1709
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:52,320
two lists. There's the hazard study list

1710
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,719
and then there's the you know requires a

1711
01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:57,360
report list. So the hazard study list

1712
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,239
talks about landslides

1713
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:02,239
liquefification

1714
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:04,239
um and there's several others in in that

1715
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:10,480
list. Um and those are indications that

1716
01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:14,000
it's a hazard study area.

1717
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,640
So that means if that defines the land

1718
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,360
where hazard studies would be done. And

1719
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:20,960
then the other list, the required

1720
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,800
geotechnical report says it, you know,

1721
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,360
it's either a property design or a

1722
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,600
building designed for people to live in

1723
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,640
or it's um and again there was a list we

1724
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:35,120
went through um it was a 500 square foot

1725
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,320
building or 500 or more than a thousand

1726
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,000
if you're adding uh design any building

1727
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,120
designed for

1728
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,360
>> for human occupancy.

1729
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:46,560
which obviously this doesn't

1730
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,320
>> this isn't so this doesn't meet any of

1731
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,800
the human occupancy the thou 500 or

1732
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,880
thousand square foot of a structure or

1733
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,520
any of those things that are in the list

1734
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,920
that says you must have a geotechnical

1735
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,840
report

1736
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,480
um but being in the landslide area it is

1737
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:06,880
in the hazard study area so if we all

1738
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,159
agree that yes this is a rock h fall

1739
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:14,480
hazard area what does that imply to the

1740
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:15,520
usage.

1741
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,840
>> Well, if if you're not in one of these

1742
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,280
hazard study areas, then you can build

1743
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,199
more than 500 square f feet without

1744
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:24,880
needing a geotechnical report.

1745
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,239
>> We're not building anything here. Right.

1746
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:27,280
>> Correct. But we're not building

1747
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,760
anything. So, and maybe the staff can

1748
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,280
help me if I'm wrong, but you kind It's

1749
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,239
kind of like going through two tests,

1750
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:36,080
right? The first test is are you in one

1751
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,159
of these hazard zones? And the second

1752
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:41,040
test is if you're in the hazard zone and

1753
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,440
you are building one of these things,

1754
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:45,520
then you have to have a report,

1755
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,320
>> right? So if you're if you're not in a

1756
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,239
hazard zone, then you don't even bother

1757
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:53,679
to take the second test. Um, is that a

1758
01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:54,960
good explanation of it?

1759
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,760
>> So So almost

1760
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,920
>> almost. Okay. Sound good to me.

1761
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,880
>> Um, so there are instances where

1762
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,800
geotechnical reports are required no

1763
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,280
matter what zone you are in. So if it's

1764
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,040
a new house or something, you're you're

1765
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,199
going to always need a ge geotechnical

1766
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:14,080
report. Um

1767
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,320
but um

1768
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,920
but yeah, in this instance, um I think

1769
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,199
the the question is that okay, it's it's

1770
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:24,880
not one of the listed items that

1771
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,760
requires a geotechnical report. However,

1772
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,120
bearing in mind these other factors,

1773
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,719
does it warrant that assessment?

1774
01:20:32,719 --> 01:20:34,560
>> Yeah, we we we could decide that it

1775
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,520
warrants based on other factors. Yeah.

1776
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,199
Well, but let's say we had one and they

1777
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:40,560
say, "Yeah, you're in the Lion Slide

1778
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,120
area or Rockfall area." What does that

1779
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,239
mean?

1780
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:45,840
>> I don't think I didn't see any code that

1781
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,679
says I can't build a parking lot in that

1782
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:48,719
area.

1783
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:51,199
>> Right. In fact, you could

1784
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:53,840
>> Yeah, the obviously

1785
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,320
I I you'd have to see what the report

1786
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,480
would say, but I I think it might offer

1787
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:00,719
some mitigation potentially or or that

1788
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:04,560
kind of thing. But um and if it was if

1789
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,320
the report,

1790
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,640
you know,

1791
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,600
determined that it was very unsafe, then

1792
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:18,880
there may be other mitigation. the the existing parking lot is already

1793
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,840
there, right? So, it's just these extra

1794
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,199
spaces that would be the subject of that

1795
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:31,270
kind of assessment.

1796
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,360
» Yeah. So if a report was

1797
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,550
done

1798
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,199
and it just because it's in a landslide

1799
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:44,400
hazard zone won't necessarily change

1800
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,360
anything.

1801
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,000
It it might it might recommend

1802
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,320
mitigation potentially.

1803
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,040
Um but it it doesn't automatically mean

1804
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,280
that a parking lot couldn't be there

1805
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,199
>> and

1806
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:03,520
the new spaces are

1807
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,320
um pretty much the same existing risk

1808
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:11,120
that the old spaces are.

1809
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,080
>> So I'll just put on the hazard layer. So

1810
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:17,199
the landslide hazard layer

1811
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:22,560
is this. So obviously the the closer you get to the road the

1812
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,199
>> the more the risk is reduced.

1813
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:26,639
>> I think all the cars on the highway

1814
01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:29,440
would have to move if that was being

1815
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:35,830
required.

1816
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,520
» Rockfall

1817
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,159
and parts of the existing

1818
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:42,239
parking lot were also in that area.

1819
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:47,199
affect the entire right so um

1820
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:50,000
again I you know my my feeling is it is

1821
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,639
a parking lot there's no there's no

1822
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:55,120
residential occupancy

1823
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:59,120
expected here um the concern of safety

1824
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,280
would be a the safety of the cars that

1825
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:04,800
are parked there and the people who

1826
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,280
might happen to be in the parking lot at

1827
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,320
the time something happened um versus

1828
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,560
people who would be sleeping

1829
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,719
And we don't allow overnight parking.

1830
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:16,400
>> No, you don't allow overnight parking.

1831
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,199
So it would be it would be daytime only,

1832
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:22,800
right? Um and

1833
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,800
so you know, I think the ordinance is

1834
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,639
written with that in mind that a parking

1835
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:30,480
lot um by it by itself is is less of a

1836
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:33,120
danger situation because it's not

1837
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,880
occupied on an ongoing basis.

1838
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,440
Um,

1839
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,080
I think the concern more that I had in

1840
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,880
wanting to know more about this is that

1841
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,880
the is that we haven't increased the

1842
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,840
risk to surrounding areas

1843
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,320
um to the road or to something else by

1844
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:53,040
the grading,

1845
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,000
>> right?

1846
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:55,760
>> Um, but it sounds as though a

1847
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,480
significant amount of uh engineering

1848
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:02,560
energy went into

1849
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,000
re retroactively looking what was done

1850
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,360
um and came to the conclusion that

1851
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,239
there's not a significant increase in

1852
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:13,600
the risk to the surrounding areas.

1853
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,120
Um

1854
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,320
so I think other than requiring

1855
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,880
uh the drainage study be provided and uh

1856
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,239
you know things like the business

1857
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,719
fulfill its commercial responsibilities

1858
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:29,600
and I might add a requirement that the

1859
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,400
staff verify that the amount of

1860
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,360
landscaping was is sufficient.

1861
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,840
um that those would be conditions I

1862
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,800
would add if I were to make a motion to

1863
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,800
approve.

1864
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,800
>> And last time I asked a a question of

1865
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,280
you just about the stability you thought

1866
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,280
of whatever business was going to be on

1867
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,400
there and then we realized that it would

1868
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,239
be one of your your businesses. Um, I'm

1869
01:24:56,239 --> 01:25:01,360
wondering if the town has concerns about

1870
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,840
monitoring or or enforcing the

1871
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,840
three-hour

1872
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:10,880
limit or and or just that a business is

1873
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:13,600
continuously operating on that site.

1874
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,480
>> Yeah, there there are concerns about the

1875
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:20,080
practicality of that. Um the code what

1876
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,280
the code gives us is it says um you know

1877
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,120
integration with a commercial use. So

1878
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:32,800
this is the text here. It doesn't mention temporary like food

1879
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,560
trucks or that kind of thing. It's it's

1880
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,560
probably not what was envisaged.

1881
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,159
However, it it doesn't specifically

1882
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:44,639
say one way or the other as far as um

1883
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:47,600
monitoring that the business is there

1884
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,600
enough to justify that it is a genuine

1885
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,800
commercial use but then also that it's

1886
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,560
goes after 3 hours. Um yeah, that

1887
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,000
practically that's going to be difficult

1888
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,600
to monitor.

1889
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,600
>> So a thought about that too. What um

1890
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,120
my people come in the morning, right?

1891
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,280
They come for like depending on the

1892
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,360
season, 7 or 8 in the morning to like 10 or 11. Then they're parked and then

1893
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,120
they stay. So we feel like even though

1894
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,560
it's only three hours, it picks up the

1895
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,239
bulk of convenience for the people that

1896
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:20,400
do park there and then moving it out of

1897
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,239
the way is is

1898
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:26,800
not a problem. Um

1899
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,880
I would even be amiable to say because

1900
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,400
to be I know you guys don't want to see

1901
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,280
that there. I just know and I don't want

1902
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,360
it there. I'm trying to meet your code

1903
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,360
with no sewer, with the three-hour

1904
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,920
thing, with whatever. I'd be fine to

1905
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,080
even agree to say I'll put back up this

1906
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,239
barrier fence at the end of this at the

1907
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:46,239
before we start business next year if I

1908
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:48,400
haven't got something else in there. I I

1909
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,480
very much want to build something. I get

1910
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:53,120
it. There's there's there's um

1911
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,480
limitations [snorts]

1912
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,480
with the things we just talked about,

1913
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:58,960
landslide, whatever, with no sewer

1914
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,320
again, but I would very much like to

1915
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,480
build some small business that works

1916
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:04,800
well and that isn't a mobile coffee

1917
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,520
trailer. And that's very much my plan. I

1918
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,600
just don't have that here. But I I feel

1919
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:10,960
like in the meantime, this meets the

1920
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,880
ordinance, and that's what I'm trying to

1921
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,960
do.

1922
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,159
I don't want to have that there long

1923
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:21,669
term either.

1924
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:23,199
But we do understand it has to be

1925
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:24,719
removed

1926
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:27,280
and I will be bringing in um something

1927
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,840
through the off season that would look a

1928
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,719
lot better. That's what my plan is.

1929
01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:38,310
You'll see me probably in November.

1930
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,000
» You mean you're referring to like a

1931
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,280
something more permanent?

1932
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,080
>> Yeah.

1933
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,320
My idea to be candid with you, and

1934
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:45,920
I know people see a lot of bikes around,

1935
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,159
but my idea would be some bikes. I can

1936
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:51,040
get power from across the road, it's

1937
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:52,560
expensive, but I can get it there. I

1938
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,480
don't need sewer for that. It's not It's

1939
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,719
not a nighttime occupied property. I can

1940
01:27:56,719 --> 01:27:58,159
set it at the very back. It will look

1941
01:27:58,159 --> 01:27:59,679
well. It looks nice. I think it's

1942
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:01,520
convenient for people who I think it

1943
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,280
would work a lot better than than this.

1944
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:04,639
But I think for the meantime, this meets

1945
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:11,430
the code.

1946
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:12,080
I think it

1947
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:13,440
>> that's not here or there. I'm just

1948
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:14,080
telling you.

1949
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,159
>> Yeah.

1950
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:17,199
>> And I appreciate that.

1951
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:18,960
>> And it would be small. I know it would

1952
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,800
have to be less than, you know, like two

1953
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,800
maybe two parking stalls. I'm talking 20

1954
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,239
bikes. Not like my other one where we

1955
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:26,320
have 150

1956
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:27,840
20 or 30 bikes. Something where the

1957
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,840
people that show up if there's if

1958
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,600
there's 50 or 60 people parking and

1959
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:32,960
every other one of them wants a bike,

1960
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,480
maybe maybe there's enough to service

1961
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:36,800
the parking lot there or something. So,

1962
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,600
I think it would do well. But

1963
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,480
in the meantime, this is what

1964
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:45,040
we're talking about.

1965
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,560
>> I think you may have addressed this

1966
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,239
question. It's really just a wondering

1967
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:51,360
thing, but I have to ask it. Um, you

1968
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:54,719
didn't originally apply for a permit and

1969
01:28:54,719 --> 01:28:57,040
so did you not realize you needed it

1970
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:02,320
until after you were digging in or what happened there? So, so I'm an

1971
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,440
excavator and I've sat on lots of slopes

1972
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:08,800
around town and when I got there, I saw

1973
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,239
from the back of that wall and I mean

1974
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:14,000
you the dirt's not there now, but any person can do the math. If you go to

1975
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,440
the top of that concrete wall that's

1976
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:16,560
there and then you look at the height of

1977
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,040
my wall at the back, you can calculate

1978
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,639
how many feet it gains and how far it

1979
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:24,159
was. It was very flat. And I I had

1980
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:27,280
recently done and maybe it maybe it

1981
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:28,639
feels like I was taking too much liberty

1982
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:30,159
and I apologize for putting the cart

1983
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:32,400
before the horse or however, but but I

1984
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,480
had just done far more excavating on

1985
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:35,840
those little homes across the street

1986
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,360
where it was a bigger cut and a bigger

1987
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,840
feel and and I received a lot of

1988
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,159
comments from from people around town

1989
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:43,520
saying, "Thank you for cleaning that up.

1990
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:44,719
That rock wall looks better." The

1991
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:46,400
neighbor below me, which is Kyla Topham,

1992
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:47,600
she goes, "Thank you. You fixed the

1993
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,719
drainage." and and and I thought, okay,

1994
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:52,560
I can go in and smooth out these spots.

1995
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,719
It's only a few feet of a cut. It's not

1996
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:56,480
the net difference was not a lot.

1997
01:29:56,480 --> 01:30:01,440
Meaning like it wasn't like I hauled and hauled out. We just took and

1998
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:03,120
smoothed out what was there and did haul

1999
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:04,960
out some. And I know in the code it

2000
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,960
allows for so many yards of excavation

2001
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:08,880
without a permit. I know I did exceed

2002
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:11,600
that. Anyway, I I knew when once I got

2003
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:12,800
going and when Tom came up, he's like,

2004
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,239
"No, you need to stop. This is it. We

2005
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:16,239
need to get a permit."

2006
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:18,960
But um I had I have done that on other

2007
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,159
properties of mine lots of times and and

2008
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,400
usually it's if it's just a landscaping

2009
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,239
sized wall, it's to fix drainage, to

2010
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:27,440
improve the look, whatever. It's

2011
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:29,360
wellreceived and I I I wasn't trying to

2012
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,199
cause as big of a problem as has landed

2013
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:33,440
on on me. No.

2014
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:34,719
>> So hopefully that answers your question.

2015
01:30:34,719 --> 01:30:40,870
>> Yeah. Thank you.

2016
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,669
» Are there any other questions?

2017
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:47,360
Should we go into deliberation?

2018
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,760
>> Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, we can go into

2019
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,709
deliberation.

2020
01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:57,920
So I guess the the

2021
01:30:57,920 --> 01:30:59,600
still a little bit question in my head

2022
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,080
is like

2023
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:06,800
um it does sound like it's possible to

2024
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,400
ask for a geotechnical report, but

2025
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,400
in listening to everything we've just

2026
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,719
heard, what does that accomplish?

2027
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:21,280
Um possibly some mitigation.

2028
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,880
Um, maybe not.

2029
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,560
>> I have one dumb question. Let's say

2030
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,159
there are recommendations. I didn't see

2031
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:30,320
anything in our code that says you have

2032
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,159
to follow that recommendation to use it

2033
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:34,159
as parking lot.

2034
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:35,040
>> I think if

2035
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,760
>> it does require you to implement

2036
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,920
mitigation

2037
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,040
if if it's if it's identified in the

2038
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,360
report, you are required to implement

2039
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:45,760
it.

2040
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,040
>> Yeah. and and we could add words to that

2041
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,360
nature to the condition if we

2042
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:55,040
conditioned the a report.

2043
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:56,960
Um,

2044
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,679
from everything I've heard, it sounds to

2045
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:02,719
me like there was a an significant

2046
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:06,159
amount of engineering analysis done

2047
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:08,719
obviously after the the grading was

2048
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:11,280
done. Um,

2049
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,080
it it appears to me that that an

2050
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,159
additional engineering study is not

2051
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:18,400
likely to find anything new that

2052
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,679
wouldn't have already been known.

2053
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:25,510
Um

2054
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:29,280
and again

2055
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,639
I think from a the safe we've reached

2056
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:35,840
enough safety for a parking lot which is

2057
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,679
not

2058
01:32:37,679 --> 01:32:40,480
a um

2059
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:43,760
you know an an occupied structure. I

2060
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,280
think, you know, if he comes with

2061
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,679
>> some plan for for a permanent building

2062
01:32:49,679 --> 01:32:53,199
that will require additional things,

2063
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:54,960
but we're not looking at that at this

2064
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,990
point.

2065
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:03,510
Other thoughts?

2066
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,000
Yeah, I just my I'm just trying

2067
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,159
grappling with like permanent building

2068
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:12,560
or mobile business like still people and

2069
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:18,390
people gathering and

2070
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,159
» well at this point the proposal is the

2071
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:21,920
mobile business

2072
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,159
>> and there are no

2073
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:27,920
ordinances that would stipulate

2074
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,000
the same

2075
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,229
as a permanent structure.

2076
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:36,159
Right. Correct. Yeah. So, we really

2077
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:36,719
Yeah.

2078
01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:38,320
>> And then there's also whether or not

2079
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:42,320
that structure is intended as a to house

2080
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:46,080
appropriately house people. Um

2081
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,840
in in you know you you think by this

2082
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,400
point people will come in general the

2083
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,679
behavior would be you drive in park

2084
01:33:53,679 --> 01:33:57,199
possibly stop at the coffee shop for 5

2085
01:33:57,199 --> 01:33:58,080
10 minutes.

2086
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,280
>> Right.

2087
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,600
>> Yeah.

2088
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:06,639
So I think in the present in the present you know iteration of what's

2089
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:08,480
being presented

2090
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:11,679
um there won't be people staying there

2091
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:14,960
other than and even the employees

2092
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,600
who work in the work the truck would

2093
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:23,430
only be there three hours

2094
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:25,440
comes close to meeting sort of a

2095
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:31,750
permanent residency sort of

2096
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:32,480
I don't know.

2097
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:34,880
>> Yeah. So, even you're referring even to

2098
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:36,560
like

2099
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,199
stability is kind of been addressed in

2100
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:43,360
the engineering process and to a degree

2101
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:44,800
where it makes sense to have a parking

2102
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,400
lot, right? Is that that's what you're

2103
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:47,040
saying,

2104
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,719
>> right? Yeah. I'm saying given that it's

2105
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:51,679
a parking lot and given our ordinances

2106
01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:55,120
and the way they're written, um it's not

2107
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,080
clear that that we even would have

2108
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:03,600
required an um a full uh geotechnical

2109
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,960
report. Um

2110
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:08,639
again

2111
01:35:08,639 --> 01:35:11,360
other than through that fifth item where

2112
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,199
the DCD and we could recommend to the

2113
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:18,960
DCD that that they request that um

2114
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,480
I I don't know I I I

2115
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:25,360
think personally I'm not in in feeling

2116
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,080
the need to require a a geotechnical

2117
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,360
report but if if the rest of the board

2118
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,280
committee were felt that that was

2119
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:34,800
necessary

2120
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,760
You know, obviously I would be outvoted.

2121
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,159
So, I think that's where I stand. I'm

2122
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:41,600
curious where other people stand and

2123
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,360
whether we should require it. I think

2124
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:44,480
we're down to just whether we should

2125
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:47,600
require a geotechnical report or not.

2126
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,040
>> I would feel comfortable if you went

2127
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:50,560
down that route that that should be a

2128
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,800
requirement. If you're in a hazard zone,

2129
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,639
you have to have the report. Otherwise,

2130
01:35:54,639 --> 01:35:57,520
I feel like it's just an opinion from do

2131
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:58,880
you need it, don't you need it. I don't

2132
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,760
know how to decide when you need it or

2133
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:03,440
don't need it because right now it's not

2134
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:05,040
a requirement. It's just a

2135
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:06,960
recommendation from us that you need the

2136
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,239
report.

2137
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:10,239
>> Well, it is a requirement if you are

2138
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:14,000
going to build a a structure intended um

2139
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,639
for employ you know people to reside.

2140
01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:17,120
>> Yes.

2141
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:18,639
>> Or if you're going to build more than

2142
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:21,199
400 500 square feet or if you're going

2143
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:22,000
to add

2144
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,199
>> that's not the case here.

2145
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:26,719
>> Right. So in this case um by the

2146
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:30,080
ordinances it's not required unless we

2147
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,360
go through the that fifth item which is

2148
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,440
we can decide on a you know we can

2149
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:38,400
recommend to the DCD that that that in

2150
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:39,840
this case there's additional

2151
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,880
requirements right and you're right

2152
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,520
that's something that is something we

2153
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,840
would decide on you know that we would

2154
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:52,000
decide without I don't know that you can

2155
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,239
list every possible reason we might

2156
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:55,679
decide that and include that in the

2157
01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:57,360
ordinance. I think that would be

2158
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,280
difficult to do.

2159
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,239
Um, so I guess what I'm saying is I'm

2160
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:05,920
feeling like I don't feel a need to go

2161
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,239
through that fifth option

2162
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:10,080
>> of saying

2163
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:11,600
we're going to require it because we

2164
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,440
think that this is such a problem given

2165
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:18,800
that engineering analysis was done given

2166
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,080
that it's not anywhere in the 30% um

2167
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:23,840
that it's only up to the 30% but not

2168
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:27,360
within no grading was done at 30%. Um,

2169
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,119
and given what I've heard about the

2170
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:31,840
analysis that was done,

2171
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,000
um,

2172
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,400
there will always be a risk and no

2173
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,239
matter what we do, we you can't

2174
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:40,400
completely eliminate the risk.

2175
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,639
>> Well, and there's a precedent already of

2176
01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:46,080
other parking around town in the same

2177
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:47,760
hazard zone.

2178
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,400
>> There are other parking areas in in

2179
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,119
hazard zones, similar the same or

2180
01:37:53,119 --> 01:37:57,040
similar hazard zones. Yes. Um,

2181
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:58,560
and

2182
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,480
you know, we could take that as a side

2183
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:02,239
item we might put on our list someday

2184
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:02,560
to,

2185
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:02,960
>> right,

2186
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:04,719
>> view whether or not we want to make

2187
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:06,719
something more restrictive,

2188
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:08,320
>> because it is concerning to me to look

2189
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,280
at these maps and see parking right

2190
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:15,040
below or in the landslide area.

2191
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,239
Um, but considering

2192
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:21,119
the other parking that's been pointed

2193
01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:22,960
out,

2194
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,320
>> well, and SR9 careful that we can't we

2195
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,560
can't look at the surrounding area and

2196
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,800
make a determination on what is already

2197
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:31,920
existing there.

2198
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:32,800
>> Well, that's true.

2199
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,000
>> Forward because, you know, that could

2200
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,320
have been done under some pre-existing

2201
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,199
rules or ordinance or lack thereof or

2202
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:40,320
whatever and

2203
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,320
>> not always whatever our current

2204
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:43,679
standards are. So, you know, we don't

2205
01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:45,040
want that happen.

2206
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:49,040
>> Yeah, definitely. Um, I'm just trying to

2207
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,639
look at the actual ordinances and see

2208
01:38:52,639 --> 01:38:55,760
if the requirements are being met.

2209
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,360
>> Can you put the map of the geolog geolog

2210
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:03,360
geologic hazard study area back up? So

2211
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:04,960
this is the landslide

2212
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,719
>> that that

2213
01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:09,440
there depicts an area that encompasses

2214
01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:12,639
part of this property

2215
01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:15,119
>> and then the rockfall is here

2216
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:17,920
>> that encompasses all of it. So by those

2217
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,360
two measures under

2218
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,119
1015

2219
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:25,520
F5D

2220
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,560
a report is required and that's not at

2221
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,320
the discretion of anybody. It's just

2222
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,880
because it's in a geologic hazard study

2223
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,390
area.

2224
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,320
Is that correct?

2225
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,040
>> So this section here, it says a

2226
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,119
geotechnical report is required in any

2227
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:45,520
of the following. And number five is

2228
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,800
>> go down to section D in that down a

2229
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:53,109
little bit.

2230
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:55,520
So it says, yeah, the geologic hazard

2231
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:59,040
investigation report for properties in a

2232
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,360
hazard studied area study area such as

2233
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,480
this. If the initial analysis of

2234
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:07,280
geologic hazards in a geotechnical

2235
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,119
report

2236
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:13,280
uh identifies sight specific risk, then

2237
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,520
the geologic hazard investigation and

2238
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:19,040
report is required. So this that's kind

2239
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:22,239
of step two. But but that I mean

2240
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:24,320
normally in a normal situation an

2241
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,880
initial study would be done. In this

2242
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:28,639
case because the cart's before the horse

2243
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:31,360
the study wasn't done. And so I think we

2244
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,520
can eliminate that first requirement and

2245
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,400
say therefore we need to at least do

2246
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:40,960
that and probably do the whole study.

2247
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,360
Well, I I think

2248
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,440
part of the concern is that if if you go

2249
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:51,600
to 1015 F5 A and B, those are the those

2250
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,760
are what or A and C actually um are what

2251
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,280
drive whether or not the initial report

2252
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,480
needs to be done. And I think that's

2253
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:04,639
where we're at is that

2254
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:07,760
>> well so I mean if you want to if you

2255
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,600
want to take that logic which I don't

2256
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:11,760
think I don't necessarily agree with but

2257
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,159
if you were to go along that logic then

2258
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:17,360
it then it falls to item five where the

2259
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,400
DC or the the town looks at it and says

2260
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:21,920
you know maybe we ought to do it in this

2261
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,679
case because of these other extenduating

2262
01:41:23,679 --> 01:41:26,239
circumstances. And when you look at

2263
01:41:26,239 --> 01:41:28,480
these maps where, you know, we're at the

2264
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:30,960
base of a a huge 30 cent slope that's

2265
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,440
been geoactive and had problems in the

2266
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:36,400
past, one would reasonably conclude that

2267
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,880
maybe we ought to do that or could

2268
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,000
reasonably conclude it.

2269
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,880
>> Yeah. So, so, so, and that was one of

2270
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:43,679
the things I said is

2271
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:45,440
>> and because we weren't asked about it on

2272
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:47,840
the front end, it didn't happen. And now

2273
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,840
we're being asked after the fact that

2274
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,679
well, just, you know, and we're saying

2275
01:41:51,679 --> 01:41:53,760
suggesting that we we shouldn't do that.

2276
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:56,800
And you know that probably maybe not a

2277
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:57,600
good idea.

2278
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:01,119
>> Well, okay. So,

2279
01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:03,360
I'll interpret what you said as you know

2280
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:06,000
when I I says I'm I'm of the mind that

2281
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:10,560
we don't need to exercise item five. And

2282
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,000
what I'll interpret you is you you're

2283
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,080
saying you prefer that we exercise item

2284
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:16,719
five, which is that we recommend to the

2285
01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:22,400
DCD that they get a geotechnical report.

2286
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,760
um this initial the the item one report

2287
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:29,679
um because we feel that there uh that

2288
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:32,000
the soil conditions warrant a

2289
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:36,550
geotechnical report.

2290
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,760
» Yeah. And like I said, I'm not

2291
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,520
necessarily opposed to that if the

2292
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,639
majority of the of the board of the

2293
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:47,040
commission feels that that's because

2294
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:50,000
there are circumstances here. Um, but

2295
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,280
there are many places in town that have

2296
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,320
both of these geologic hazards. That's

2297
01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:00,000
true. And um,

2298
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,719
and not all of them have required

2299
01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:04,960
reports. If they're not all of them,

2300
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:05,600
some

2301
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,280
>> have required, but should maybe should

2302
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,400
require in the future perhaps. Right now

2303
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:13,199
that the way the the way the ordinances

2304
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:15,119
are written,

2305
01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:16,639
>> things like the unfortunate thing in

2306
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:18,880
this in this circumstance because the

2307
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:20,239
because it wasn't done in the proper

2308
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:21,520
order. The town didn't have the

2309
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,159
opportunity to to you know recommend

2310
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:26,159
this previously and so now we're trying

2311
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:29,119
to sort of clean it up and you know we

2312
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:30,800
need to be careful that we do it. So, so

2313
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:32,400
I think there was an opportunity to do

2314
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,440
it previously and that is when the town

2315
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:39,440
met with the owner and said stop

2316
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:41,600
and then they said we need you need to

2317
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,480
get a grading permit and so during the

2318
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:47,360
act of getting a grading permit would be

2319
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:51,040
when would be one of the times when

2320
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,360
>> one spot right

2321
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:53,679
>> um

2322
01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:55,119
>> but again the grading permit was done

2323
01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:58,639
after the fact not before the fact

2324
01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:00,719
>> right but at the time that the grading

2325
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:03,600
permit was done, a geotechnical report

2326
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,239
could have been required

2327
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:12,800
to before before the grading permit the the grading permit was was was

2328
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,480
given.

2329
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:16,400
So I think in a sense there was an

2330
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:17,920
opportunity

2331
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,639
and it didn't come to us but it was

2332
01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:23,920
taken at the time um and decided at the

2333
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,560
time that the engineering data that was

2334
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,119
available was sufficient.

2335
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:32,800
Um so I think it's you know to us to say

2336
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:36,000
whether we feel that for the safety of

2337
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,560
the c you know their customers that we

2338
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:41,280
require it

2339
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,119
not with a grading permit but now with

2340
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:46,159
the DDR which we also have the

2341
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:49,840
opportunity to to do.

2342
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,669
Um,

2343
01:44:53,679 --> 01:44:55,040
okay. So, it seems to me like we've got

2344
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:58,080
one who says we should require the or

2345
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,840
recommend that the DCD require the

2346
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:03,520
report, one that says perhaps not. Be

2347
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:10,709
curious. The other three.

2348
01:45:10,719 --> 01:45:12,560
Yeah, I I'm stuck that this wouldn't

2349
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,560
even be here if he if we didn't have

2350
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,199
this many parking spots where this rule

2351
01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:18,560
should actually apply to even one

2352
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,440
parking spot. Tech

2353
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:22,560
technically, if we're worried about

2354
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,520
this, any parking spot should have this

2355
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:25,760
done.

2356
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,040
>> Well, I'm not worried about whether

2357
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:28,719
there's a parking spot or not. I'm

2358
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:30,239
worried about the fact that, you know,

2359
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:33,679
this is in a a geoactive area that is,

2360
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:36,320
you know, substantial slope ups slope of

2361
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,400
it and we've moved some soil down at the

2362
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,560
bottom and maybe it doesn't happen to be

2363
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:46,960
30% right there. But, you know, if it's a geoactive slope that's fairly

2364
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,280
steep and you you know, you take the

2365
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:50,880
last rock at the bottom that's holding

2366
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:52,639
it up, the whole thing comes down.

2367
01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:54,480
That's a real problem. But

2368
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:56,000
>> then that should have been taken care of

2369
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,560
in the grading permit.

2370
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,600
I didn't have a vote on that.

2371
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:03,040
>> So that's where I'm

2372
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:03,920
>> have a vote on this

2373
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:07,040
>> stuck is um so the grading permit was

2374
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:08,960
approved

2375
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:11,600
and so it's been

2376
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,760
graded

2377
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,840
>> and

2378
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,800
what's are we looking for mitigation

2379
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:19,199
recommend?

2380
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:20,880
>> It was graded before the grading permit

2381
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:21,520
was approved.

2382
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:22,000
>> Right. But

2383
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,560
>> that's fine. But they they back and got

2384
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:24,960
it.

2385
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:26,560
>> Yeah. So that's like

2386
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:27,280
>> that's that's [clears throat] water

2387
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:28,800
under the bridge that they have a

2388
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:29,760
grading permit.

2389
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,400
>> Yeah. So we're approaching this that

2390
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,960
there is a grading permit

2391
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:37,280
that's graded

2392
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,119
and

2393
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:41,840
if we're approving the the the DDR and

2394
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,400
if we're requiring this report what is

2395
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,639
it that we're looking to accomplish

2396
01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:46,960
possible

2397
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:48,560
>> mit two things I'm looking to

2398
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:53,440
accomplish. One is some assurance that there isn't a problem there. Okay.

2399
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:55,040
and we don't know because we didn't do

2400
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,199
the study but I want to you know we

2401
01:46:57,199 --> 01:46:58,400
should make sure the town we have an

2402
01:46:58,400 --> 01:46:59,600
obligation to make sure that there isn't

2403
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:01,199
a problem there and the other is

2404
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:02,960
potential you know is there potential

2405
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:04,719
liability that's been assumed by the

2406
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:08,159
town because uh you know we we ended up

2407
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:10,639
in this situation and we need to do we

2408
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:13,040
need to correct it so

2409
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,520
>> can I offer a suggestion

2410
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:24,480
>> just an observation um both positions are compli liant with the code. Right?

2411
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:27,520
So either way you go, whether you decide

2412
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,880
that a geotechnical report is required,

2413
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,280
uh that's backed up by the code. If you

2414
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,080
decide that it's not required, that's

2415
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,400
also backed up by the code. So just to

2416
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,719
kind of give you the insurance that that

2417
01:47:40,719 --> 01:47:43,360
either way with this being a design

2418
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,840
development review, a geotechnical

2419
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:50,080
report is is a requirement of design

2420
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,320
development reviews in certain

2421
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,880
instances. So the fact that it wasn't

2422
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,280
required for the grading permit doesn't

2423
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:02,880
preclude you from asking for it. Now, if the commission thinks that it it is

2424
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:06,629
needed,

2425
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:09,679
» I think it could be helpful

2426
01:48:09,679 --> 01:48:12,719
even if it, you know, there was, like I

2427
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:15,119
said, I look at these maps of the hazard

2428
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:19,510
areas and

2429
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,159
just uh being responsible to the

2430
01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:24,800
community from a safety perspective and

2431
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:28,550
visitors and

2432
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,040
It's kind of

2433
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:33,119
better safe than sorry kind of mentality

2434
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:42,149
I guess

2435
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:44,239
» and that's kind of what to Terry's point

2436
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:48,709
was with through the engineering

2437
01:48:48,719 --> 01:48:50,480
question.

2438
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:54,870
>> No, go ahead.

2439
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,360
Wilson, my question is,

2440
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:59,119
I mean, that's a lot of red. It goes

2441
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:00,480
across the street. It goes everywhere.

2442
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:02,239
We know that there's parking just to the

2443
01:49:02,239 --> 01:49:05,679
north that's that's under a very, very

2444
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:07,600
tall, very, very steep slope, far

2445
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,880
steeper than mine. My question is, if we

2446
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:12,639
go through the through the time, money,

2447
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:14,880
effort to get a report, and they say,

2448
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,840
"Yep, that's a landslide."

2449
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,320
Then what?

2450
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,880
Well, the real I mean, is parking still

2451
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:26,159
legal? And and and if and if it isn't,

2452
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:28,080
>> that landslide applies to everything

2453
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:29,840
there that's parking that the town's

2454
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,679
aware of. And and and those are my

2455
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:33,520
competitors, whether it's the Heatons or

2456
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:34,719
the Town or whatever. Those are

2457
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:36,800
competing. They're allowed to park

2458
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,639
there. Does it change anything? That's

2459
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:39,440
what I'm really asking.

2460
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:41,920
>> Well, the the report would recommend a

2461
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,239
mitigation if there was a if there was

2462
01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:47,119
any possible mitigation.

2463
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:48,880
>> If if if the report says, "Yeah, there's

2464
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:50,000
a landslide.

2465
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:51,920
Does everybody do mitigation there?

2466
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:53,760
>> Well, this is rockfall, not landslide.

2467
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:53,920
But

2468
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,119
>> well, no, actually, well, there's both.

2469
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:56,480
>> But I mean, if you pull if you pull

2470
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:56,800
lands,

2471
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:57,679
>> it falls in both.

2472
01:49:57,679 --> 01:49:58,960
>> And I want to just make a point. Pull

2473
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:00,800
the landside one where where the town

2474
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,880
has people parking along the highway is

2475
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,760
far farther into the red by far and

2476
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,679
under a steeper slope than where I am.

2477
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:09,199
My question is if they say, "Yep, that's

2478
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:10,480
a landslide." Because we all know they

2479
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:12,639
will.

2480
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:14,080
Does it mean I I get it. We're not

2481
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:15,119
building a building. And that would be

2482
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:16,480
affected. They would say you can't have

2483
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:18,480
human occupancy because but it's a

2484
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:20,400
parking lot or or or whether it's a

2485
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,639
planter or a lounge or a drinking

2486
01:50:22,639 --> 01:50:25,520
fountain. Does it preclude it anyway?

2487
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,520
Are we gaining anything by that report?

2488
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,520
And if it does, does it make my

2489
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:32,320
competitors do something who are parking

2490
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,000
right next to it in the same space?

2491
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,440
That's what I was wondering. Because I'm

2492
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:36,800
happy to get a report. I don't mind the

2493
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:38,719
money, the effort, whatever. Does it

2494
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:40,880
actually accomplish anything? So, so

2495
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,119
here here's what I feel like it would it

2496
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:46,000
could accomplish and it's it's yes,

2497
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,159
you're right. It's a landslide. We all

2498
01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:50,000
kind of know that and the engineer is

2499
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,719
going to say that. The question is for

2500
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:56,400
this particular project, are there

2501
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:59,760
mitigations that the engineer identifies

2502
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,440
should be done or need to be done?

2503
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:03,040
>> Say it's a risk. There needs to be a

2504
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:03,520
mitigation.

2505
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:04,960
>> There needs to be a mitigation to the

2506
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:06,960
risk. It doesn't say you can't have the

2507
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:09,360
parking lot. that says maybe that maybe

2508
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,440
there needs to be some reinforcement in

2509
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:13,199
the wall or maybe there needs to be some

2510
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:15,520
other thing. Um us not being

2511
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,280
>> would that be like a a letter from him

2512
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,040
saying we know there's a risk because

2513
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:21,760
there's a landslide here. But

2514
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:23,760
>> the thing the thing that we need most is

2515
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,440
what are the recommendations?

2516
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:27,040
>> It's not so much if there's a landslide,

2517
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,040
but is there any work that's been done

2518
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:30,560
that's going to you know induce a

2519
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:31,760
landslide or potentially

2520
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:34,800
>> I mean like the road cut, right? The SR9

2521
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,440
road cuts huge. So

2522
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:38,800
>> we're not talking about that one. We're

2523
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:39,599
talking about this one,

2524
01:51:39,599 --> 01:51:41,440
>> but it's right there and it's

2525
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:42,000
competitor.

2526
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:43,679
>> It's irrelevant for this discussion.

2527
01:51:43,679 --> 01:51:44,719
>> Okay. Okay.

2528
01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:46,880
>> So, and to answer your second question

2529
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,719
on that, if any of these other fac you

2530
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:52,639
know other facilities in the area came

2531
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:55,920
with a plan to do some more work, they

2532
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:57,440
would also

2533
01:51:57,440 --> 01:51:59,440
>> go through this. So it's we really take

2534
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:02,159
care of when work is done. If it's been

2535
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:04,880
done before we don't have authority to

2536
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:06,159
go in and make them change. I mean by

2537
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:10,000
the same in that same area I put in far

2538
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:11,920
more concrete

2539
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:13,920
400

2540
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,560
2,000 square feet of concrete where

2541
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,119
pedestrians get out of their car and

2542
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,040
walk.

2543
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,119
There's no problem with that it seems.

2544
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:25,119
But the smaller area that I'm talking

2545
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:27,280
about six parking stalls or seven I

2546
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,280
think

2547
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:32,000
like why is that being scrutinized in

2548
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,599
the same development? I mean, they seem

2549
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:34,960
to be happy with the sidewalk that I put

2550
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:36,800
in. But that's the same thing. I whether

2551
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:38,719
it's concrete or asphalt or whatever,

2552
01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:40,800
parking, pedestrian, whatever. I guess

2553
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:41,920
I'm just saying, are we actually

2554
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,000
accomplishing anything with that if

2555
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,440
because we know they're going to say

2556
01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:47,440
it's a landslide?

2557
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:50,560
>> Question is, are they going to recommend

2558
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:52,960
specific mitigations for this particular

2559
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:53,360
project?

2560
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,520
>> Thank you for the clarification.

2561
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,920
But in in my opinion on that is if you

2562
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,400
want to stop a line landslide, it's

2563
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,800
going to have to be a big it's going to

2564
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:04,960
affect more than just what he's done.

2565
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:06,800
>> I I don't think it's the objective to

2566
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,360
stop a landslide for what we're doing

2567
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:10,719
>> to mitigate it.

2568
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:13,599
>> It's to mitigate this particular

2569
01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:15,599
project, right? To mitigate if a

2570
01:53:15,599 --> 01:53:17,360
landslide does occur, mitigate the

2571
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,520
damage that would occur or the danger

2572
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,080
that would occur in this project in this

2573
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:29,430
parking lot.

2574
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:31,360
is up to my discretion

2575
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:32,400
>> if you'd like to. Yeah.

2576
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:44,310
>> Okay. Sure.

2577
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,800
» The whole area

2578
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:50,709
is

2579
01:53:50,719 --> 01:54:00,310
we saw what happened in 1992.

2580
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,800
and some rain on the slide and it it

2581
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,199
slid down and and did um you know

2582
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:08,480
massive slide on State Road 9 and and

2583
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:10,159
threatened one of the hotels on the

2584
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:12,320
other side of the road.

2585
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,480
This landslide has been mapped. It's

2586
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:17,199
considered to be hazardous. It's a red

2587
01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:20,400
zone as you can see uh the highest uh

2588
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:23,679
landslide. It's active as well.

2589
01:54:23,679 --> 01:54:27,440
And so the um I spoke within the last

2590
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:30,080
week a couple times with the guy at the

2591
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:33,599
Utah Geologic Survey who is an expert on

2592
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:36,080
the Utah on excuse me the Springdale

2593
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:37,679
landslide.

2594
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:40,480
and he says that he when he drove

2595
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,199
through town a couple years ago,

2596
01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:45,440
he saw that a parking lot had been put

2597
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:48,080
up u you know the one that we're talking

2598
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,880
about tonight and he was very concerned

2599
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,679
at the safety associated with that

2600
01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:55,440
parking lot because he looked at the

2601
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,159
concrete walls. He questioned whether

2602
01:54:58,159 --> 01:55:00,239
they'd been done done correctly, whether

2603
01:55:00,239 --> 01:55:03,199
there'd been any engineering at all done

2604
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:07,920
to substantiate risk. And so he's

2605
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:10,719
Uh I brought to his attention that more

2606
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:13,199
spaces were being added. He said he's

2607
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:15,760
very uncomfortable with the safety

2608
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,280
associated with those spots. So, it

2609
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:21,599
seems to me that, you know, a step that

2610
01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:24,960
could be taken would be to have the town

2611
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:29,599
sponsor a study, a geologic study or,

2612
01:55:29,599 --> 01:55:30,800
you know, I'm not good with the

2613
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:34,080
terminology, Terry, but a a geologic

2614
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:37,360
geolog the geologic work that's needed

2615
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:39,599
to map the landslide and determine

2616
01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:42,960
whether there's a danger or not.

2617
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,360
When I spoke with him today, I said,

2618
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,880
"Could that landslide come down and and

2619
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:50,880
block State Road 9?" He said, "Most

2620
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:53,199
definitely it could if there, you know,

2621
01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:56,000
if if it were to give way,

2622
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,400
uh, you know, and and it could slide

2623
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,880
across State Road 9. Another thing that

2624
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:03,679
could happen is that because of the cuts

2625
01:56:03,679 --> 01:56:06,639
that have been put in, there could be a

2626
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:08,800
slough of earth that comes down on the

2627
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:11,840
surface that would cover the cars or or

2628
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:13,840
you know damage the cars within the

2629
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:17,520
parking lot. So I personally think that

2630
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:20,560
the Utah Geologic Survey should be um

2631
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:24,000
consulted with um before we make

2632
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,239
decisions regarding

2633
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:30,000
um you know our our visitor safety. Uh,

2634
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:33,119
and you know, we could accomplish that

2635
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:35,920
by having the town's engineer look at

2636
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,800
the property and and see what the safety

2637
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,119
factors are.

2638
01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:44,950
>> Thank you.

2639
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:48,629
» Please.

2640
01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:52,800
» Hi, Gil Kefir. Um

2641
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,280
the person that Tom talked to, the uh

2642
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:56,800
engineer,

2643
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,040
um Tom kind of played it down a little

2644
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:03,280
bit, but his uh his hair was on fire

2645
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:06,159
when he talked to Tom. Uh I also talked

2646
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:09,440
to a local uh structural engineer over

2647
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:14,080
the weekend and her hair was on fire. Um

2648
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:18,320
they're uh very concerned that even the

2649
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:21,599
existing parking lot is in a slide zone.

2650
01:57:21,599 --> 01:57:23,119
Um

2651
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:25,760
the parking on State Route 9, that's the

2652
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,480
town's problem. They put that in. Who

2653
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:30,719
cares? I mean, that's that's that's a

2654
01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:33,360
what aboutism that has nothing to do

2655
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,639
with this discussion. Uh the discussion

2656
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:41,199
is about what is happening with that um

2657
01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:43,840
uh parking lot as well as the additional

2658
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:48,719
spots. And um if you want to understand

2659
01:57:48,719 --> 01:57:52,639
why these people's hair are on fire,

2660
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:57,840
Google um or get on uh AI, Google,

2661
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,880
Gemini or what whatever ask them the

2662
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:02,719
question,

2663
01:58:02,719 --> 01:58:05,679
what would happen if I make a 50 foot by

2664
01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:09,520
70 foot cut into the toe of a 65 degree

2665
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:14,320
hill? Now he says less than 30. I doubt

2666
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,320
that but we don't know that until we get

2667
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:19,760
a geological study done on that hill. I

2668
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:25,040
believe it's 65. I looked at uh also on

2669
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,239
they will give you if you look under AI

2670
01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:31,199
they will give you what it looks like to

2671
01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:36,000
be a 30 foot slope versus a 65 slope.

2672
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:40,000
Also in this discussion we're talking

2673
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:44,400
slope versus grade. And uh what's

2674
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:47,679
happening is uh those two terms are

2675
01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:50,000
getting confused.

2676
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,840
Slope of a hill is about um twice the

2677
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:58,000
amount of grade. So you have to look at

2678
01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,760
what you're you're actually talking

2679
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,800
about. So, um, we probably could use a

2680
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:05,360
little primer on those two different

2681
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:13,040
definitions. Okay. So going back to um

2682
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:15,520
response from AI,

2683
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:19,760
making a 50 to 70 foot cut into the toe

2684
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:23,760
of a 65 degree slope will severely

2685
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:26,800
compromise its stability and likely

2686
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:30,639
trigger a localized or widespread slope

2687
01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:32,480
failure.

2688
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:37,199
Um let's see, the last one is actually

2689
01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:39,679
Well, that's that was the first. Then it

2690
01:59:39,679 --> 01:59:43,040
gets into some some definition of what

2691
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,760
they talk about.

2692
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:47,440
Uh

2693
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:50,800
summary of the results. Slope failure

2694
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:52,480
guaranteed.

2695
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:57,119
Cutting into the toe of a 65 degree hill

2696
01:59:57,119 --> 01:59:59,679
removes the structural foundation of the

2697
01:59:59,679 --> 02:00:03,440
slope causing an immediate or highly

2698
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:07,280
imminent localized landsc landslide that

2699
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:10,719
poses a severe threat to life and

2700
02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:12,800
property.

2701
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:16,159
That that's one definition. So, uh I

2702
02:00:16,159 --> 02:00:18,080
I've got another definition here if

2703
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:20,639
you'd like to hear it. But this is not

2704
02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:23,440
good. This is why those those two

2705
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,960
engineers hair was on fire about

2706
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:30,000
anything happening in this parking lot

2707
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,880
or this new it's not that not

2708
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:35,679
necessarily parking lot but it's cutting

2709
02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:38,800
into the toe of that hill and the hill

2710
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,679
the grade comes down at 65 and then it

2711
02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:44,400
comes across. That's the toe of the

2712
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:47,280
hill. It's like your your foot.

2713
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:49,280
you start cutting off the toes of your h

2714
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:51,840
the hill, all of a sudden it removes all

2715
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:54,639
the structural stability of that hill

2716
02:00:54,639 --> 02:00:56,880
and

2717
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,719
um I'll stop there.

2718
02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:10,790
>> Thank you.

2719
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:16,159
I can't help but be in a place um I my

2720
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:19,360
interest is not to shut the parking lot

2721
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,760
down, but just see if there's anything

2722
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:24,159
we can do so that everybody feels

2723
02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:27,119
comfortable in the community and um that

2724
02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:29,280
it's a successful

2725
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:32,560
project. And

2726
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,520
um I'm leaning on the side of the

2727
02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:40,080
report. I I mean the fact that there was

2728
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:45,119
engineering done on it um

2729
02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:48,239
I mean that is important and resonates

2730
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:52,080
with me but I think given this this

2731
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:53,679
circumstance

2732
02:01:53,679 --> 02:01:55,520
it could be beneficial to get that

2733
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:58,239
report just from a responsibility

2734
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:05,350
perspective.

2735
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,280
thoughts?

2736
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:12,790
>> No.

2737
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:16,159
» Yeah. My my question is

2738
02:02:16,159 --> 02:02:18,239
the report covers a parking lot. This

2739
02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:19,679
seems like a bigger issue than the

2740
02:02:19,679 --> 02:02:22,800
parking lot. Do we need to have a study

2741
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:27,669
for this whole area?

2742
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:28,960
This could be something that we could

2743
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,040
discuss separately. It's wouldn't be a

2744
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:35,360
gerine to this action item. It's

2745
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,520
probably something that might really

2746
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:39,920
need to go to the town council,

2747
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:42,639
but we could as planning make a

2748
02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:46,639
recommendation to the town council.

2749
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:49,360
>> In this instance, any report that you

2750
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:51,520
would condition would be sight specific.

2751
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:53,679
>> Yeah. anything that in this case it

2752
02:02:53,679 --> 02:02:55,840
would be a sight specific report.

2753
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:58,480
>> I feel like you know if we've

2754
02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:01,119
>> maybe in a sep separately discussed in a

2755
02:03:01,119 --> 02:03:06,480
work meeting the whole issue of high um

2756
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:09,520
high high danger landslide andification

2757
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:12,320
type of things. We might come up with a

2758
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:14,480
recommendation for the town council

2759
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:16,880
about how ordinances might be modified

2760
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:20,239
or we might deal with that, but it

2761
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:23,199
wouldn't apply to this specific case. I

2762
02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:24,080
don't think

2763
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:27,119
>> my my concern and I guess I

2764
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:28,880
>> go ahead.

2765
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:30,800
>> If I could

2766
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:33,280
Utah Geologic Survey came down about

2767
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:35,760
five years ago and gave a talk and

2768
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:37,840
they'd be willing to come down again to

2769
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:42,159
talk about landslide risk. um with the

2770
02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:43,920
guy who's the specialist on the

2771
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:46,400
Springdale landslide. Uh he could focus

2772
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:48,560
on that if you'd want. So that's an

2773
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,560
option for you if you'd like to do that

2774
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:53,840
u some sort of training or presentation

2775
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:56,159
uh going forward. But at this point I

2776
02:03:56,159 --> 02:03:59,840
think we need to understand the uh the

2777
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:02,000
impact that this particular project has

2778
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:04,960
on the the stability of the surrounding

2779
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:06,480
area whether it whether it's

2780
02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:09,280
contributing to instability or degrading

2781
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:11,280
the stability of the existing situation

2782
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,000
or it's or if it's benign and you know

2783
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:16,880
it's a I mean I recognize there's some

2784
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:18,400
expense involved in that for somebody

2785
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,480
but you know it seems a reasonable thing

2786
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:25,440
to do given the circumstances and the history of this particular area

2787
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:33,430
right here. So,

2788
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:37,589
» no.

2789
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:39,119
» Mr. Wilson, do you have any other

2790
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:40,800
comments since you know what you

2791
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:45,270
actually did?

2792
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:49,430
» Yep.

2793
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:53,030
Um,

2794
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:55,920
well, we could do a motion. Okay, just

2795
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:58,400
we could do a motion to approve and add

2796
02:04:58,400 --> 02:05:00,719
a condition that a geotechnical report

2797
02:05:00,719 --> 02:05:03,119
needs to be done and the recommendations

2798
02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:04,800
followed.

2799
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:08,000
We could do a motion to deny

2800
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,400
with these reasons or potentially we

2801
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:13,040
could even table it again and ask for

2802
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:15,520
this information back before we decide.

2803
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:18,320
>> Could I make a suggestion on on that

2804
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:21,840
procedure- wise? Um if you if you are

2805
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:24,159
minded to require the geotechnical

2806
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:26,639
report the procedurally probably the

2807
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:28,800
best thing would be to table that so

2808
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:30,800
that it would come back to you for

2809
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:34,239
review. If it's a condition, h it

2810
02:05:34,239 --> 02:05:36,480
doesn't automatically come back to the

2811
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:39,520
town council and I I probably wouldn't

2812
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:43,040
recommend denying it without first

2813
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:44,080
having a look at it.

2814
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:46,880
>> Well, and I guess there's a maybe an

2815
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:49,040
additional option.

2816
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:51,040
>> The information, you know, we had seven

2817
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:53,840
specific items at the at the prior

2818
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:56,719
meeting uh that we needed information.

2819
02:05:56,719 --> 02:05:59,199
We didn't get all of that. There's one

2820
02:05:59,199 --> 02:06:01,360
>> one that didn't come out. So in my in in

2821
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:03,520
one one way look at it is it's still

2822
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:06,239
tabled you know we can continue to leave

2823
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:09,840
it tabled uh and then add the additional

2824
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:13,040
>> requirement that they need we need to

2825
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:18,550
the review

2826
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:19,679
» you want to do it you want me to do it

2827
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:21,599
>> you go ahead [laughter]

2828
02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:24,159
>> I got a roll on a roll here okay

2829
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:26,719
>> one one comment since the grading permit

2830
02:06:26,719 --> 02:06:28,960
was already

2831
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:29,760
given And

2832
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:31,440
>> this is for the DDR, not the grading

2833
02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:33,199
permit.

2834
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:35,920
>> Yeah. But can we make them put the

2835
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:37,520
>> Yes.

2836
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:41,040
>> Put the soil back? I mean, what's

2837
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:42,880
Let's say they come and say, "Yeah, you

2838
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:44,719
should have took that much soil. Put you

2839
02:06:44,719 --> 02:06:45,360
know,

2840
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:47,199
>> well, that's that's up to the engineer

2841
02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:48,719
to come back and say, "This is the

2842
02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:50,079
mitigation." If they find that there's

2843
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:51,040
an issue

2844
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:52,400
>> or what you're saying is if the

2845
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:55,280
mitigation is we have to re to return it

2846
02:06:55,280 --> 02:06:56,400
to its natural state.

2847
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:58,320
>> Yeah. The engineer says there's no other

2848
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:01,119
choice other than to remove. Um I think

2849
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:02,560
we would have to deal with that at the

2850
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:03,840
time it comes back. And I think that's

2851
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:04,159
actually

2852
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:05,440
>> but since they already had the grading

2853
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:07,760
permit,

2854
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:09,440
>> we already say it's okay to take it

2855
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:10,320
away.

2856
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:11,520
>> So that's my question.

2857
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:13,440
>> The grading permit has been approved,

2858
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:15,520
but the design development review has

2859
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:19,679
not been approved. Um and so

2860
02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:26,079
any conditions that would arise from this assessment could be could be

2861
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:28,000
um incorporated or

2862
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:30,079
>> Okay,

2863
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:33,760
good to know. Thanks.

2864
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:37,440
>> We all comfortable with the table then?

2865
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:40,400
>> Okay. The planning commission requests

2866
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:42,880
to table the design development review

2867
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:44,639
application for the expansion of the

2868
02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:47,840
parking lot at 50 Zion Park Boulevard as

2869
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:51,920
discussed at the July 1st meeting 2026.

2870
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:54,000
This motion is based on the following

2871
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:57,360
findings. Parking lot expansion in

2872
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:00,800
encroached into a landslide hazard area

2873
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,040
as designated by the Utah Geologic

2874
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:06,320
Survey and the required geological study

2875
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:09,199
has not been submitted.

2876
02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:12,320
um the condition and we would like to

2877
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:15,840
get a geo we'd like to request that the

2878
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:19,360
DCD request a geotechnical report and

2879
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:22,400
that that any uh recommendations from

2880
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:25,119
that report be followed and that report

2881
02:08:25,119 --> 02:08:28,159
focus on the landslide and rockfall risk

2882
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:32,320
to ensure that um there that we've

2883
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:36,000
properly mitigated any risks associated

2884
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,400
with the landsaw landslide side and

2885
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:43,920
rockfall um issues. Um we would also

2886
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:47,599
request that the drainage study uh did

2887
02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:49,520
the drainage study for the surface water

2888
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:52,960
be submitted as it was missed uh in this

2889
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:55,599
iteration.

2890
02:08:55,599 --> 02:08:56,960
>> Did you want to include a slope

2891
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:59,760
stability analysis as well? Well, I

2892
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:02,079
think my understanding is the

2893
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:12,320
geotechnical report by requiring that it that it include dis include um

2894
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:14,239
>> information on the landslide and

2895
02:09:14,239 --> 02:09:17,119
rockfall stability in the geotechnical

2896
02:09:17,119 --> 02:09:20,470
report.

2897
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:22,960
Yeah, it would. And you can specifically

2898
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:24,800
state that if you want the that

2899
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:28,000
>> I think we just want to confirm that is a thing we are specifically

2900
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:28,960
interested in.

2901
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:29,360
>> Yeah.

2902
02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:31,599
>> So that the engineer would know to

2903
02:09:31,599 --> 02:09:34,719
provide us potentially more clarifying

2904
02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:39,910
information if if needed.

2905
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:41,840
» I would second that.

2906
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:44,079
>> Okay. So we have a motion second.

2907
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:48,470
>> Any further discussion?

2908
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,159
All in favor?

2909
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:51,360
>> Rich I.

2910
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:52,079
>> Terry I.

2911
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:53,199
>> Jennifer I.

2912
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:56,079
>> All I.

2913
02:09:56,079 --> 02:09:59,669
>> Motion passes.

2914
02:09:59,679 --> 02:10:02,800
Okay. The third action item

2915
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,520
is DDR

2916
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:09,119
watchman lot 8 and 11. Mr. Wendel

2917
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:11,040
Bernett request design development

2918
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:13,760
review approval for a single family home

2919
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:17,040
with accessory structure at 2011 North

2920
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:19,840
Fork Drive and a single family home at

2921
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:22,960
211 North Fork Drive. Um staff contact

2922
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:25,280
us Nile Connelly. Um presentation by

2923
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:26,719
Nile.

2924
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:29,520
>> Thank you. So as you indicated, this is

2925
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:31,840
a design development review application

2926
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:34,079
for two homes in the Watchman

2927
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:37,440
subdivision. Uh, one of these homes has

2928
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:39,840
an accessory building which will be used

2929
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:43,920
as a guest house. Um,

2930
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:47,280
at the last meeting the commission

2931
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:49,840
approved an amendment to the subdivision

2932
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:53,040
plat here. So, this uh that facilitated

2933
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:56,239
this um this development.

2934
02:10:56,239 --> 02:10:59,360
So, the proposal for lot 8 is for a main

2935
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:01,360
house which will be positioned in the

2936
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:06,000
location of um an old excavation that

2937
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:08,320
exists from a a development that was

2938
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:10,480
started but never completed several

2939
02:11:10,480 --> 02:11:13,679
years ago. And then there will be a a

2940
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:15,520
guest house which will be on the same

2941
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:16,960
property but a little bit further up

2942
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:21,599
that hill. Um and then the other home is

2943
02:11:21,599 --> 02:11:24,159
on lot 11.

2944
02:11:24,159 --> 02:11:27,199
Um so just a few points to note. Uh the

2945
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,840
applicant is not availing of the

2946
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:33,760
residential height and size bonus. So um

2947
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:36,079
they're not they don't need to comply

2948
02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:38,560
with the town's architectural design

2949
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:40,880
standards or materials or color palette

2950
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:44,239
or the landscape requirements. Those um

2951
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:46,960
those requirements are don't apply in

2952
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:49,040
this case.

2953
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:50,719
Um

2954
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:54,159
the house on lot 11 uh has a cantal

2955
02:11:54,159 --> 02:11:59,520
lever over slopes of 30%. Um this is a

2956
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,639
potential concern because the 30% slope

2957
02:12:02,639 --> 02:12:05,119
should not be uh disturbed during

2958
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:08,159
construction. uh and the the architect

2959
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:10,159
and the contractor who who are both here

2960
02:12:10,159 --> 02:12:12,159
actually have said it will be possible

2961
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:16,480
to construct um without any disturbance

2962
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:19,440
um if the commission is minded to grant

2963
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:21,280
approval there's there's a condition

2964
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:23,760
that that I've suggested that you might

2965
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:27,360
want to apply there um to address that

2966
02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:33,040
point um and finally um

2967
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:34,800
I think tonight is the night for

2968
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:37,686
geotechnical called geologic hazard.

2969
02:12:37,686 --> 02:12:38,880
[laughter]

2970
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:42,000
So following a similar theme, uh both of

2971
02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:44,400
these properties are in geolog geologic

2972
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:48,400
hazard study areas. Um the applicant has

2973
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:51,280
request that the the geotechnical report

2974
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:53,920
be deferred until the building permit

2975
02:12:53,920 --> 02:12:57,199
approval stage. So

2976
02:12:57,199 --> 02:12:59,679
um usually it's required for the design

2977
02:12:59,679 --> 02:13:02,880
development review. Um once design

2978
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:05,119
development review is approved then the

2979
02:13:05,119 --> 02:13:07,840
applicant submits the engineer drawings

2980
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:10,560
to staff for the building permit. Uh so

2981
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:14,719
they've requested in this instance that that assessment take place at that

2982
02:13:14,719 --> 02:13:17,360
stage. Um so the commission should

2983
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:19,040
deliberate on whether or not that's

2984
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:25,119
appropriate. Um if if granted um any

2985
02:13:25,119 --> 02:13:28,079
approval should be conditional on that

2986
02:13:28,079 --> 02:13:30,639
assessment being completed prior to

2987
02:13:30,639 --> 02:13:34,320
issuance of a building permit. Um so I'd

2988
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:36,480
be happy to answer any questions. The

2989
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:38,159
architect is here also and the

2990
02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:41,360
contractor and the engineer. So you have

2991
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:48,870
lots of people to answer your questions.

2992
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:51,840
So you'll be given an opportunity to go

2993
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:54,400
up to the stand and kind of make those

2994
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:55,280
comments.

2995
02:13:55,280 --> 02:14:01,270
>> Yeah.

2996
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:03,760
» Sure. Yeah. As soon as um we're done

2997
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:05,920
asking Nile questions, if you could step

2998
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:07,599
up to the microphone, that would be

2999
02:14:07,599 --> 02:14:09,280
great. Does anybody have any questions

3000
02:14:09,280 --> 02:14:12,000
for Nile at this point? No, I actually

3001
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:13,040
have a question for the

3002
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:15,920
>> Okay. Yeah, please. Um, you can um come

3003
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:17,119
forward.

3004
02:14:17,119 --> 02:14:20,000
>> Um, so my name is Wendell Bernett. I'm

3005
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:23,760
the architect uh and I'm um the

3006
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:26,560
applicant on behalf of of our client and

3007
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,040
the owner of this property. Also, Jared

3008
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:32,079
Bates uh is our civil engineer on this

3009
02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:36,320
project. And um and Jared uh and I have

3010
02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:39,920
been working closely on this uh since uh

3011
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:42,719
last uh October

3012
02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:46,000
u when the property was closed upon.

3013
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:50,320
So basically what I wanted to just say

3014
02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:54,159
uh on just to to add some clarification

3015
02:14:54,159 --> 02:14:55,840
is

3016
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:58,159
we [clears throat] are we know full well

3017
02:14:58,159 --> 02:15:02,159
that we're doing a geological

3018
02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:04,880
investigation report. There's no

3019
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:07,199
question that we're doing it. We're in

3020
02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:09,920
fact doing it.

3021
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:12,480
But what we were proposing is simply

3022
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:14,560
that

3023
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:18,639
the that's um it's an involved process

3024
02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:21,440
um and we're taking it very seriously.

3025
02:15:21,440 --> 02:15:24,719
were working with the expert in the

3026
02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:28,880
state on the issues here in Springdale

3027
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:35,520
and um and uh we simply wanted to defer

3028
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:41,520
the signing of the part C of the geo haz

3029
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:45,199
geologic hazard checklist.

3030
02:15:45,199 --> 02:15:49,679
um until the report is finalized and all

3031
02:15:49,679 --> 02:15:53,360
the testing has been finalized, what

3032
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:57,199
happens is there uh are numerous borings

3033
02:15:57,199 --> 02:16:00,800
on the site. Uh that material is pulled

3034
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:06,400
out of those borings and it takes uh a

3035
02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:10,000
month or more to analyze and do all the

3036
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:13,440
various tests that are required to

3037
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:17,119
assess uh what should be done

3038
02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:18,960
structurally.

3039
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:22,400
And so the report is finalized and

3040
02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:24,960
that's not the end of it. Then there's

3041
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:27,440
our structural engineer who's an expert

3042
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:30,239
in seismic design

3043
02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:33,599
um and is familiar with this type of

3044
02:16:33,599 --> 02:16:37,120
seismic condition. They will then design

3045
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:39,439
the structure

3046
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:45,120
to um to to achieve uh partial or full

3047
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:48,479
mitigation which is allowed by the code.

3048
02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:52,399
uh we were simply wanting to not expend

3049
02:16:52,399 --> 02:16:56,000
all of that expense

3050
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:59,840
uh without knowledge that the design is

3051
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:01,439
approved.

3052
02:17:01,439 --> 02:17:06,479
My uh assessment of the review

3053
02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:08,639
uh just to let you know we've been

3054
02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:11,439
working very closely with Tom Dancy

3055
02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:14,160
before he became town manager. It was

3056
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:17,439
Nile Conny's project for six months. So

3057
02:17:17,439 --> 02:17:20,880
we we have been working through the

3058
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:24,080
design January February

3059
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:28,000
um then you know got everything where

3060
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:30,559
they were comfortable with it that it's

3061
02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:32,559
meeting all the provisions of the code

3062
02:17:32,559 --> 02:17:36,080
relative to height etc etc etc. There's

3063
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:37,920
a poll test that's been done on this

3064
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:42,080
site. Uh then we submitted the DDR in

3065
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:44,800
sometime in March or April I can't quite

3066
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:49,840
remember. Um, and there's uh a replat uh

3067
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:53,840
which has been approved. Uh, there was a

3068
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:57,359
driveway variance that was approved. Uh,

3069
02:17:57,359 --> 02:18:01,120
we offered alternates that

3070
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:05,920
um we presented were less compliant than

3071
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:10,080
the the one that was in a non-compliant

3072
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:13,920
30% slope. and and that was agreed upon

3073
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:17,840
by the by the the the hearing officer

3074
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:20,910
and that's all in Nile's report.

3075
02:18:20,910 --> 02:18:24,800
[clears throat] And so um what we're I

3076
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:26,319
think we're different than the first two

3077
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:34,479
cases. We're well aware that we're in in what we're in and we are just asking

3078
02:18:34,479 --> 02:18:38,080
for time to to

3079
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:41,200
um well we don't want to be doing all

3080
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:45,439
that without knowing that we can be here

3081
02:18:45,439 --> 02:18:49,519
be where we are located and the design

3082
02:18:49,519 --> 02:18:51,760
is approved

3083
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:55,920
meaning the height of the building etc where it is all that stuff

3084
02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:57,679
everything that complies ies with the

3085
02:18:57,679 --> 02:19:00,319
land use ordinance

3086
02:19:00,319 --> 02:19:04,080
and what the the thing that Nile has not

3087
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:06,319
read is you know he ticks through all

3088
02:19:06,319 --> 02:19:09,040
the things that are compliant.

3089
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:12,960
So the only thing that we ask to be

3090
02:19:12,960 --> 02:19:18,399
deferred is to do to present not just

3091
02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:23,280
the geologic hazard the geolog geologic

3092
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:26,000
investigation report

3093
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:29,280
which addresses geologic hazards as well

3094
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:33,200
as normal subsurface conditions for any

3095
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:36,559
building anywhere [snorts] you are doing

3096
02:19:36,559 --> 02:19:38,960
a geotechnical investigation report to

3097
02:19:38,960 --> 02:19:45,120
determine the sole bearing values etc etc. But in order to

3098
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:47,359
um to

3099
02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:51,760
show what what the structural design is

3100
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:55,280
we we have to do we have to basically

3101
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:58,399
get into full construction documents to

3102
02:19:58,399 --> 02:20:00,880
do that. So the simplest way of saying

3103
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:02,720
this is it's a chicken and the egg

3104
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:08,080
situation. Um we we we we we're asking

3105
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:12,640
to just simply do that in our view for

3106
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:14,960
this particular project for at the more

3107
02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:17,280
appropriate time. Nothing's getting

3108
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:22,080
built. Nothing is happening uh until we

3109
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:25,040
get the building permit. [snorts] and we

3110
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:29,040
understand and respect the uh uh the

3111
02:20:29,040 --> 02:20:32,800
I've been doing this 45 years or more

3112
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:37,040
may not look like it but I have and so

3113
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:39,840
we we we just trying to do our due

3114
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:42,160
diligence and do our normal thing that

3115
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:45,280
we know we have to do and to present

3116
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:48,160
that along with the full structural

3117
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:52,479
engineering and we do that prior to the

3118
02:20:52,479 --> 02:20:55,840
building permits. So what Nile is saying

3119
02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:59,840
here is to approve

3120
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:02,880
or deny con with the following

3121
02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:06,720
conditions that either the geotechnical

3122
02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:09,280
investigation report is allowed to be

3123
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:10,880
deferred

3124
02:21:10,880 --> 02:21:14,399
prior to the building permit being

3125
02:21:14,399 --> 02:21:16,800
pulled

3126
02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:18,880
and prior to the building permit being

3127
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:20,640
reviewed.

3128
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:26,319
Um, so we will be submitting that to to

3129
02:21:26,319 --> 02:21:29,520
Nile and then Nile will say that this uh

3130
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:31,760
has been done. I don't know if you've

3131
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:34,240
read the geologic hazard checklist, but

3132
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:36,160
it essentially

3133
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:39,359
um it's a hold harmless agreement

3134
02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:40,960
basically

3135
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:44,560
and it and it also talks about the the

3136
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:47,439
mitigation etc. and you're you're all

3137
02:21:47,439 --> 02:21:49,680
that's going to be there.

3138
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:53,280
So uh and then the second item is the

3139
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:56,800
30% slope that he mentioned. Uh we're

3140
02:21:56,800 --> 02:21:59,680
confident that we can we are going to

3141
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:04,479
build within the the the 10

3142
02:22:04,479 --> 02:22:08,960
within the 20 to 30% slope area up to

3143
02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:12,960
the 30% slope area. [snorts]

3144
02:22:12,960 --> 02:22:15,680
We will we're on one part we're

3145
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:20,319
canolvering a walkway 3 ft over. We can

3146
02:22:20,319 --> 02:22:23,040
form that leave the formwork in. It can

3147
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:24,640
be attached to the stem wall that's

3148
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:28,640
within the uh allowable area. [snorts]

3149
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:31,120
And the other we're going to can lever a

3150
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:32,960
little further. We're going to construct

3151
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:36,479
a platform that can be craned in and

3152
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:39,439
then we have a work platform and we

3153
02:22:39,439 --> 02:22:45,840
protect all of that area. We're very very serious about protecting the

3154
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:48,399
uh native vegetation

3155
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:52,080
and uh and in the the 5 to 7 foot area

3156
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:53,760
that we're going to fence around the

3157
02:22:53,760 --> 02:22:56,800
construction site, we will uh we will

3158
02:22:56,800 --> 02:23:00,399
save cryptobotic soil. We will save uh

3159
02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:05,200
small um detritus sticks and rocks and

3160
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:07,120
I'm from Phoenix so we work in the

3161
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:10,800
desert a lot. we will restore that

3162
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:13,920
uh at the at the highest level that's

3163
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:15,920
possible and we have a lot of experience

3164
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:18,319
doing that. So we're very confident

3165
02:23:18,319 --> 02:23:21,520
there. Um I think Nile talked to one of

3166
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:23,439
the two contractors that we're talking

3167
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:27,439
to. One is here Mark Farenamp who is

3168
02:23:27,439 --> 02:23:29,520
also confident we can do this and we've

3169
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:33,920
talked to our contractors about that. Um

3170
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:36,479
he he's basically saying we are showing

3171
02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:39,040
that we can do it. He's just concerned.

3172
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:43,200
Can we actually do it? And I feel like

3173
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:44,960
we need to get be given the opportunity

3174
02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:48,240
to do that and we will be doing that. We

3175
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:50,560
take all of this. Our client takes it

3176
02:23:50,560 --> 02:23:52,560
all very seriously too. He wants the

3177
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:54,800
site to be as natural as possible. The

3178
02:23:54,800 --> 02:23:57,680
third item, this is on the last page of

3179
02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:00,720
the staff report. The subdivision plat

3180
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:02,800
amendment which was approved on the by

3181
02:24:02,800 --> 02:24:05,920
the town June 17th must be recorded with

3182
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:07,920
Washington County prior to issuance of

3183
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:10,080
the BU building permit which will be

3184
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:12,160
done. But there's a couple of there's

3185
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:14,479
one or little one or two little details

3186
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:16,640
there that are kind of chicken and egg

3187
02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:18,319
situation.

3188
02:24:18,319 --> 02:24:19,920
So

3189
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:22,960
that's um so I I just want to be clear.

3190
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:25,040
We're not we're not we didn't build

3191
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:26,560
something.

3192
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:29,920
Nothing is and and we're not um we're

3193
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:33,359
not not going to do what we have to do

3194
02:24:33,359 --> 02:24:35,200
here. We're just asking for it to be

3195
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:36,720
deferred

3196
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:40,640
so that we can submit

3197
02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:44,160
a signed part C that we're confident

3198
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:50,870
that everything can be met per the code.

3199
02:24:50,880 --> 02:24:53,359
I to ask some questions.

3200
02:24:53,359 --> 02:25:00,230
>> Yeah, some questions.

3201
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:02,880
Oh, so just so I understand you

3202
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:06,800
correctly, um, just in your experience,

3203
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:08,399
this this is what I think I I'm hearing

3204
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:11,920
you say. In your experience, it in

3205
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:14,000
general makes more sense to do it in

3206
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:16,399
that order that there's not anything

3207
02:25:16,399 --> 02:25:19,760
that's necessarily unique to these

3208
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:22,640
structures. Is that right?

3209
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:26,640
It's just the site is we're at the toe

3210
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:30,160
of a landslide that is a mile by a mile.

3211
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:34,399
>> Okay. and but when and we we're into it

3212
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:38,160
enough that we're it's look it uh RG a

3213
02:25:38,160 --> 02:25:40,720
technical engineer who is uh Jim

3214
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:45,280
Norquist with AGC is is um we've

3215
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:49,040
recently received some uh analysis that

3216
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:51,920
you know we are u he's he's very

3217
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:54,560
confident and he's been confident from

3218
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:56,319
the minute you know he gave us a

3219
02:25:56,319 --> 02:25:58,800
proposal and so forth. We just have to

3220
02:25:58,800 --> 02:26:00,479
go through the steps and then we have to

3221
02:26:00,479 --> 02:26:04,800
work with our engineer to to demonstrate

3222
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:06,319
through the design and through the

3223
02:26:06,319 --> 02:26:09,920
drawings that we're achieving uh partial

3224
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,000
or full mitigation which is allowed by

3225
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:12,800
the code.

3226
02:26:12,800 --> 02:26:17,830
>> Okay. Thank you.

3227
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:18,880
» State your name.

3228
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:21,120
>> Jared Bates with Rosenberg Associates. I

3229
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:22,560
think maybe to help answer your question

3230
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:24,800
as well too, um you know, due to the

3231
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:26,960
complexity of the site, um the

3232
02:26:26,960 --> 02:26:28,800
recommendations that that the geological

3233
02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:30,240
engineers are going to make are very

3234
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:33,120
specific to the exact location. And so

3235
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:35,359
if if we have to move this building 20

3236
02:26:35,359 --> 02:26:36,960
ft one way or the other, we're going to

3237
02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:38,319
have to go back and and do another

3238
02:26:38,319 --> 02:26:41,439
boring that's 80t deep. And so because

3239
02:26:41,439 --> 02:26:43,439
it's it's so specific, I I think that

3240
02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:44,960
the idea is, hey, let's make sure we

3241
02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:46,160
know where exactly where the house is at

3242
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:47,760
so we can be confident that that we got

3243
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:50,160
the ideal places to make the borings to

3244
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:51,359
determine that it is the right

3245
02:26:51,359 --> 02:26:53,439
mitigation because if if it's not, then

3246
02:26:53,439 --> 02:26:54,479
they're going to have to redo it. I

3247
02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:56,160
think again I think everyone understands

3248
02:26:56,160 --> 02:26:57,600
the risk of the site and so we're ready

3249
02:26:57,600 --> 02:26:59,359
to to adequately deal with it. We want

3250
02:26:59,359 --> 02:27:00,319
to make sure that we're in the right

3251
02:27:00,319 --> 02:27:01,040
spot.

3252
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:02,240
>> Yeah, that's helpful. [clears throat] I

3253
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:03,520
hear from both of you that it's that

3254
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:06,000
it's site, not necessarily structure.

3255
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:06,319
Yeah,

3256
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:09,120
>> that's a great point. I mean, we we

3257
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:12,319
wanted we had

3258
02:27:12,319 --> 02:27:14,080
um

3259
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:16,160
after the driveway variance was

3260
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:18,000
approved,

3261
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:22,479
um we we have proceeded to do the

3262
02:27:22,479 --> 02:27:24,319
borings

3263
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:27,200
because we were confident that we could

3264
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:30,240
be where we were proposing

3265
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:32,399
uh that also we could have, you know,

3266
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:35,520
the driveway access. We had alternate

3267
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:37,600
proposals. We had also reviewed those

3268
02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:39,680
proposals with the fire marshall

3269
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:41,920
relative to fire access and all of that.

3270
02:27:41,920 --> 02:27:45,200
So, uh you know, it's been a kind of

3271
02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:47,120
multiple things that need to get

3272
02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:51,760
approved and and then it's we we do not

3273
02:27:51,760 --> 02:27:55,280
we will not be moving anything from

3274
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:58,880
where we are. we will be able to achieve

3275
02:27:58,880 --> 02:28:01,520
uh everything but we need time to

3276
02:28:01,520 --> 02:28:04,640
demonstrate that through the normal

3277
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:07,040
process of doing

3278
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:09,040
what I would describe the DDR as a

3279
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:11,439
design development which is like a 30

3280
02:28:11,439 --> 02:28:14,399
35% of our contract

3281
02:28:14,399 --> 02:28:17,600
uh there's 40% to go to do the remainder

3282
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,520
of the construction documents the

3283
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:21,680
blueprints and then of course we're

3284
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:24,560
involved in construction

3285
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:27,040
as will be the geotechnical engineer and

3286
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:30,000
the structural engineer etc. So we we

3287
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:32,640
just you know re really we're just

3288
02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:36,880
feeling it's uh we wanted def we we're

3289
02:28:36,880 --> 02:28:38,880
just simply asking to defer it. We're

3290
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:42,800
not asking to not do it. Uh we and I I

3291
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:45,760
can assure you that we're uh you know

3292
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:49,200
we're protecting our clients investment

3293
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:54,720
in in this property and the the project.

3294
02:28:54,720 --> 02:28:58,800
And uh we just can't, you know, just

3295
02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:02,160
sign it and not have done the work to

3296
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:05,760
show that it we we're confident that and

3297
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:08,319
present that that when we're signing it,

3298
02:29:08,319 --> 02:29:09,840
we're not just signing it. we actually

3299
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:16,309
know we can do everything we're signing.

3300
02:29:16,319 --> 02:29:18,720
» So, um,

3301
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:26,720
one option I I can think of is we could table this based upon saying

3302
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:29,680
that we need the geotechnical report.

3303
02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:32,399
Um, but before we do that, we could have

3304
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:35,120
our discussion and deliberation. It

3305
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:38,319
sounds to me like your primary concern

3306
02:29:38,319 --> 02:29:41,760
is that the locations defined in the

3307
02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:45,680
drawings at this point can be that we

3308
02:29:45,680 --> 02:29:47,439
would have discussed them and felt that

3309
02:29:47,439 --> 02:29:50,080
they are fine and you could then move

3310
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:52,080
forward. Is that a good enough

3311
02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:53,280
understanding?

3312
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:55,680
>> Yeah. If you roll this back to the site

3313
02:29:55,680 --> 02:29:59,840
plan um that was at the beginning I

3314
02:29:59,840 --> 02:30:03,760
think here right there. Yeah. I mean,

3315
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:06,479
generally speaking, we feel comfortable

3316
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:10,000
with the process that we've gone through

3317
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:13,600
with the town. I mean, I would um I

3318
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:16,000
would I've been saying

3319
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:22,319
this is the most uh

3320
02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:28,560
complex and say integrated uh code that

3321
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:32,399
I've worked in in my entire career. And

3322
02:30:32,399 --> 02:30:34,399
I would additionally say that the people

3323
02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:38,560
that are helping you administer the code

3324
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:42,160
over here are some of the most competent

3325
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:45,359
people I've ever worked with. So we

3326
02:30:45,359 --> 02:30:47,600
we're we're we're

3327
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:56,000
not skirting anything here for sure. And yes, I I my hope was that we could

3328
02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:59,359
have approval just so that we have the

3329
02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:01,520
approval and and meaning it's a

3330
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:04,080
conditional approval and there's no

3331
02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:06,080
chance that something's going to come up

3332
02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:10,479
that you don't agree with the planning

3333
02:31:10,479 --> 02:31:14,000
department and giving us comments which

3334
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:16,160
we've addressed and we got it down where

3335
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:19,120
there are no more comments. We revised

3336
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:22,160
the DDR. There were a few a couple of

3337
02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:23,680
weeks ago when we finally got the

3338
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:27,280
comments. Nile agrees that those are

3339
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:29,760
that we're complying and compliant with

3340
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:31,920
all those now.

3341
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:33,520
And then there are just these three

3342
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:35,920
items that are mentioned at the last

3343
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:40,319
page. So yeah, I I would love to I on

3344
02:31:40,319 --> 02:31:43,520
behalf of our client would love to know

3345
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:45,760
that

3346
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:48,399
the design is approved. we can be where

3347
02:31:48,399 --> 02:31:53,200
we are and the only thing is that uh we

3348
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:55,439
have to submit that geotechnical

3349
02:31:55,439 --> 02:31:58,960
investigation report before we go into

3350
02:31:58,960 --> 02:32:02,479
plan review and before we go to submit

3351
02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:04,640
for building permit

3352
02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:06,720
>> one one question there was some talk

3353
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:08,319
about it's can levers which sounds

3354
02:32:08,319 --> 02:32:10,960
really cool and then in the text here it

3355
02:32:10,960 --> 02:32:12,800
says it's something we should discuss

3356
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:14,720
well I actually have no idea what to

3357
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:17,280
discuss so you say you're confident you

3358
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:20,160
and do the can lever can levering. Is

3359
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:21,840
there a backup plan if something goes

3360
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:22,560
wrong?

3361
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:24,800
>> The backup plan is we don't do the can

3362
02:32:24,800 --> 02:32:25,920
leave.

3363
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:27,840
>> That's a good backup plan. Yeah, I'm

3364
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:29,600
sure you don't want to do that, but that

3365
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:30,319
works.

3366
02:32:30,319 --> 02:32:34,000
>> Be over the 30% slope in a way that does

3367
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:36,240
that nothing is damaged.

3368
02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:40,319
>> We don't do it. That's the backup plan.

3369
02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:43,200
And we, you know, I think it's pretty

3370
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:47,760
clear that that we we the contractors

3371
02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:50,240
and we know that y'all are out there

3372
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:52,720
inspecting this stuff. We know we have

3373
02:32:52,720 --> 02:32:54,960
to comply with everything. We, you know,

3374
02:32:54,960 --> 02:32:56,720
it's not like we can say it and then not

3375
02:32:56,720 --> 02:33:00,720
do it, you know, and we also gen

3376
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:03,840
genuinely want to protect the site. This

3377
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:07,040
is a little bowl back there. So, let me

3378
02:33:07,040 --> 02:33:08,720
point to this so you can see what I'm

3379
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:12,080
pointing to. that lot 11

3380
02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:14,560
is just a special little spot that's at

3381
02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:16,640
the bottom of this bowl that is the

3382
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:19,840
quietest part on the site, the quietest

3383
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:22,399
place on the site.

3384
02:33:22,399 --> 02:33:25,920
Uh where you literally can hear a plane

3385
02:33:25,920 --> 02:33:28,479
flying overhead at 30,000 ft and that is

3386
02:33:28,479 --> 02:33:30,800
all you can hear. And then you can hear

3387
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:33,200
the baby big horn being trained by their

3388
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:36,479
parents on Johnson Mountain. That's all

3389
02:33:36,479 --> 02:33:38,479
you can hear. you can't hear even a loud

3390
02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:41,760
motorcycle on State Road 9. So, we just,

3391
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:43,359
you know, the client wanted this

3392
02:33:43,359 --> 02:33:47,600
different experience there. Um, and so,

3393
02:33:47,600 --> 02:33:50,560
you know, that's u we we've just pushed

3394
02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:52,240
it

3395
02:33:52,240 --> 02:33:55,359
um back in it just happened to be that

3396
02:33:55,359 --> 02:33:57,520
shape.

3397
02:33:57,520 --> 02:33:59,439
There are two parallel sides and then

3398
02:33:59,439 --> 02:34:00,960
there's the back and then there's a

3399
02:34:00,960 --> 02:34:02,880
little perennial wash that runs there.

3400
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:06,479
We're at the uh you know above the the

3401
02:34:06,479 --> 02:34:10,240
flood line on that. So anyway, all this

3402
02:34:10,240 --> 02:34:12,399
is is just we want we want to be there.

3403
02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:14,319
What's canievering out over there is a

3404
02:34:14,319 --> 02:34:17,920
dry sauna with a great view. And then

3405
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:20,880
there's a little canal lever plunge pool

3406
02:34:20,880 --> 02:34:24,560
that is a is is a plunge a after you're

3407
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:26,960
in the sauna. And then on the other side

3408
02:34:26,960 --> 02:34:30,160
is a is a little

3409
02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:33,120
relaxation cave that looks up the west

3410
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:36,479
slope and it's just a walkway to get

3411
02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:39,359
around that and to the front of the main

3412
02:34:39,359 --> 02:34:44,080
house there. So but if if we if it

3413
02:34:44,080 --> 02:34:47,359
doesn't if we cannot do it with but if

3414
02:34:47,359 --> 02:34:50,240
we cannot uh adhere to the code which is

3415
02:34:50,240 --> 02:34:53,760
very clear uh then the backup plan is we

3416
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:56,000
don't do it.

3417
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:58,560
>> So you feel you you at this point you

3418
02:34:58,560 --> 02:35:00,800
believe you can do these can levers

3419
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:03,359
without disturbing the 30% slope.

3420
02:35:03,359 --> 02:35:05,280
>> Absolutely.

3421
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:09,359
and um the town would inspect that

3422
02:35:09,359 --> 02:35:14,160
process and make sure that that they

3423
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:15,280
succeed.

3424
02:35:15,280 --> 02:35:17,680
>> Yeah. So, the the way that works is at

3425
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:20,240
the beginning of a construction project,

3426
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:23,200
uh we'll meet with the contractor to um

3427
02:35:23,200 --> 02:35:25,120
and they'll they will have fenced off

3428
02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:28,479
all the 30% slopes and then we do

3429
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:31,520
inspections every week. We stop by to

3430
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:36,240
make sure things are on track. So if um

3431
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:40,160
I if if it's not working, we will know

3432
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:43,359
within a week. So

3433
02:35:43,359 --> 02:35:47,760
I have something um separate. Um so the

3434
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:51,120
finished floor elevation in that can

3435
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:53,680
levered section. As I looked at the

3436
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:56,240
drawings, it appeared possibly that it

3437
02:35:56,240 --> 02:35:59,040
might be more than 4 feet vertical

3438
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:02,880
distance above the natural grade.

3439
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:04,319
Um, and I don't know that you would know

3440
02:36:04,319 --> 02:36:06,880
that off the top of your head, but part

3441
02:36:06,880 --> 02:36:10,560
of our ordinance is uh 1019A

3442
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:15,840
10 C um talks about this. And um

3443
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:17,680
basically it says if the vertical

3444
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:19,600
distance between either the natural

3445
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:22,240
grade or cut grade and the finished

3446
02:36:22,240 --> 02:36:24,800
floor elevation of the first floor of a

3447
02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:28,399
structure at any point on the exterior

3448
02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:31,280
building surface such as basement walls,

3449
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,200
crawl spaces, etc.

3450
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:37,280
um exceeds 4 feet, then the area of the

3451
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:40,720
structure below the the FE the first

3452
02:36:40,720 --> 02:36:44,000
floor elevation um shall be included in

3453
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:46,960
the building square footage.

3454
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:51,520
So part of uh what has proposed here are

3455
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:53,840
three buildings that are less than 3,000

3456
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:57,520
square feet and therefore we're not uh

3457
02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:00,319
implementing the colored pallets and

3458
02:37:00,319 --> 02:37:02,080
other things because that part's not

3459
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:05,359
been signed. Um I want to confirm or

3460
02:37:05,359 --> 02:37:09,439
would like maybe somebody to check that

3461
02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:11,840
if that's more than four feet, do we

3462
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:13,840
have to include this the square footage

3463
02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:16,080
underneath it? Does that bump it above

3464
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:18,240
3,000 square ft? I think that's a

3465
02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:20,880
consideration to look at.

3466
02:37:20,880 --> 02:37:23,760
>> Yeah, I think that's a good point. Um

3467
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:27,280
that's that's that part of the code is

3468
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:29,200
generally applies to where there's a

3469
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:32,399
basement. And so it's I think the

3470
02:37:32,399 --> 02:37:36,479
intention is that um if if your first

3471
02:37:36,479 --> 02:37:39,600
floor elevation is higher up, then you

3472
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:42,000
start counting the basement square

3473
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:45,359
footage. Um yeah, this is kind of an

3474
02:37:45,359 --> 02:37:47,520
unusual circumstance, right, with with a

3475
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:51,280
cantal lever. Um do you do you have that

3476
02:37:51,280 --> 02:37:53,200
reference there?

3477
02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:54,560
>> What was that?

3478
02:37:54,560 --> 02:37:55,200
>> Reference. Yeah.

3479
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:58,479
>> Yeah, it's um let me pull it up here. It

3480
02:37:58,479 --> 02:38:00,720
is um

3481
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:03,040
where is it? Where do I have it? Here.

3482
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:06,479
There we go. um 9A,

3483
02:38:06,479 --> 02:38:09,280
you know, se section 9A

3484
02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:12,000
and then um

3485
02:38:12,000 --> 02:38:14,160
you know 9A-10

3486
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:17,200
which is building size and height

3487
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:20,399
and then if you go down to paragraph C

3488
02:38:20,399 --> 02:38:23,680
and underneath that uh item one under

3489
02:38:23,680 --> 02:38:28,160
paragraph C was where I was reading from

3490
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:30,160
>> and I'm assuming that area is not

3491
02:38:30,160 --> 02:38:30,960
finished.

3492
02:38:30,960 --> 02:38:33,920
>> But now one thing I want to

3493
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:38,319
Niles pointed this out to us on the U.

3494
02:38:38,319 --> 02:38:40,800
So we I'm familiar with what you're

3495
02:38:40,800 --> 02:38:43,920
talking about and I just pulled up the

3496
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:49,840
drawings and basically if u we and if we

3497
02:38:49,840 --> 02:38:53,200
opened up the DDR submission

3498
02:38:53,200 --> 02:38:57,439
um now if you go to page

3499
02:38:57,439 --> 02:39:06,150
49

3500
02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:08,319
basically we're talking about the wash

3501
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:11,040
area and

3502
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:14,080
that's why we kind of have this

3503
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:17,120
condition. Um,

3504
02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:20,160
sorry, I'm I'm

3505
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:24,800
That's the total pages. Sorry. 24. 24.

3506
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:26,560
It's going 49. I don't remember it being

3507
02:39:26,560 --> 02:39:27,760
that long.

3508
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:31,520
>> Page 24. Yeah.

3509
02:39:31,520 --> 02:39:38,870
Sorry.

3510
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:41,600
Well, wait. Do you have I hope I have

3511
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:44,399
the right I have the updated version. Do

3512
02:39:44,399 --> 02:39:47,439
you have the updated version?

3513
02:39:47,439 --> 02:39:59,030
>> Yeah. What? What the drawing number?

3514
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:01,920
» Right. It's it's it's the um lot 11

3515
02:40:01,920 --> 02:40:04,640
property, I believe.

3516
02:40:04,640 --> 02:40:06,960
right here.

3517
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:09,120
>> So

3518
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:13,840
you can see where the 100 is there's

3519
02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:15,200
3840

3520
02:40:15,200 --> 02:40:16,000
>> right

3521
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:21,680
>> and 3844 is the floor. So,

3522
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:24,800
um I would say

3523
02:40:24,800 --> 02:40:27,680
everything

3524
02:40:27,680 --> 02:40:31,840
to this side of that blue line which is

3525
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:33,920
pretty close

3526
02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:36,560
a little.

3527
02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:40,800
The only thing that that is the building

3528
02:40:40,800 --> 02:40:43,600
covered area is defined by the code is

3529
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:59,990
that little tip of the sauna there has a

3530
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:07,429
You're asking,

3531
02:41:07,439 --> 02:41:09,040
» right? So, so you would build this can

3532
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:11,200
leave the structure. It would have a it

3533
02:41:11,200 --> 02:41:12,960
would have a floor finished floor

3534
02:41:12,960 --> 02:41:15,200
elevation like you said you read third I

3535
02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:17,920
get the number but and it would be over

3536
02:41:17,920 --> 02:41:21,200
top of natural grade which might be more

3537
02:41:21,200 --> 02:41:24,319
than four feet lower than the finished

3538
02:41:24,319 --> 02:41:27,200
floor which would potentially trigger

3539
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:30,160
this although the staff is telling us

3540
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:32,160
that may only apply in case there's a

3541
02:41:32,160 --> 02:41:33,520
basement.

3542
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:36,560
>> Can I just read this section? I think I

3543
02:41:36,560 --> 02:41:39,439
think it so if the vertical distance of

3544
02:41:39,439 --> 02:41:41,520
either natural grade or cut grade and

3545
02:41:41,520 --> 02:41:43,120
the finished floor elevation of the

3546
02:41:43,120 --> 02:41:46,479
first floor at any point on an exterior

3547
02:41:46,479 --> 02:41:49,600
building surface such as basement walls,

3548
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:51,840
crawl space, foundation walls, pool

3549
02:41:51,840 --> 02:41:55,439
decks, etc. exceeds 4T, then the area of

3550
02:41:55,439 --> 02:41:57,520
the structure below the finished floor

3551
02:41:57,520 --> 02:42:00,240
elevation shall be counted as building

3552
02:42:00,240 --> 02:42:04,000
square footage. So I think where it says

3553
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:05,680
any structure on the point of an

3554
02:42:05,680 --> 02:42:09,120
exterior building an exterior building

3555
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:10,720
surface

3556
02:42:10,720 --> 02:42:13,750
um

3557
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:17,359
that that suggests to me that it would

3558
02:42:17,359 --> 02:42:19,200
wouldn't apply where there's a cantal

3559
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:21,840
lever because there's if if if the

3560
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:25,600
building kind of um

3561
02:42:25,600 --> 02:42:28,000
is connected to the ground by a stem

3562
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:29,920
wall or a basement wall or something

3563
02:42:29,920 --> 02:42:31,840
that's where it would apply.

3564
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:34,880
where it where it says, you know, on an

3565
02:42:34,880 --> 02:42:36,960
exterior building surface such as

3566
02:42:36,960 --> 02:42:39,439
basement walls, crawl space walls,

3567
02:42:39,439 --> 02:42:42,640
foundation walls, etc. So, I I don't

3568
02:42:42,640 --> 02:42:45,359
know that that applies in this case. So

3569
02:42:45,359 --> 02:42:46,880
yeah, you're

3570
02:42:46,880 --> 02:42:48,960
>> the diagram if you were to look at the

3571
02:42:48,960 --> 02:42:49,439
text

3572
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:50,080
>> in any

3573
02:42:50,080 --> 02:42:52,560
>> what my my assessment of the code why

3574
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:56,560
it's written this way is that 4 feet

3575
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:58,479
more than four feet allows you to bring

3576
02:42:58,479 --> 02:43:03,520
light into a occupied area.

3577
02:43:03,520 --> 02:43:07,920
And so if you are more than 4 feet, it

3578
02:43:07,920 --> 02:43:11,280
needs to be counted as a story

3579
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:13,840
essentially or as area

3580
02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:14,960
>> part of your square footage.

3581
02:43:14,960 --> 02:43:16,880
>> And because you could make it a

3582
02:43:16,880 --> 02:43:20,960
habitable space by bringing in light

3583
02:43:20,960 --> 02:43:24,880
from above the ground. And so it's a way

3584
02:43:24,880 --> 02:43:30,399
to to um limit height and limit

3585
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:34,080
volume, massing, etc. Uh it's it's

3586
02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:37,200
that's my we were dealing with that on

3587
02:43:37,200 --> 02:43:40,160
the existing construction site for the

3588
02:43:40,160 --> 02:43:43,520
main house on lot 8 and we you know

3589
02:43:43,520 --> 02:43:45,520
we're within it there. So that's why I

3590
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:48,479
was aware of it because it came up when

3591
02:43:48,479 --> 02:43:50,399
we were discussing what we were doing on

3592
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:52,800
this abandoned construction.

3593
02:43:52,800 --> 02:43:55,120
>> That's right. But if this structure is

3594
02:43:55,120 --> 02:43:58,240
1830 square feet as it says on that

3595
02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:00,319
diagram that we're nowhere near

3596
02:44:00,319 --> 02:44:01,920
>> that 50 square feet underneath there

3597
02:44:01,920 --> 02:44:05,040
even if we counted is irrelevant right

3598
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:07,680
>> it's a good question that we are more

3599
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:10,640
than four feet right there you're

3600
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:11,840
looking at this very close

3601
02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:13,040
>> but you'd have to come up with almost

3602
02:44:13,040 --> 02:44:16,240
1,200 to get to kick you over 3,000

3603
02:44:16,240 --> 02:44:18,960
>> right right I was more asking you just

3604
02:44:18,960 --> 02:44:21,359
to confirm and to decide whether we need

3605
02:44:21,359 --> 02:44:23,840
to like really look at all of the areas

3606
02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:26,160
and do we need to add it up? Because I

3607
02:44:26,160 --> 02:44:28,399
didn't I did not necessarily expect it

3608
02:44:28,399 --> 02:44:30,160
would go over 3,000. It was more trying

3609
02:44:30,160 --> 02:44:33,600
to confirm that we wouldn't. Um but I I

3610
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:36,160
think the staff and your explanation

3611
02:44:36,160 --> 02:44:41,680
does make sense. Um and the code itself

3612
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:43,760
talks about walls but doesn't say, you

3613
02:44:43,760 --> 02:44:45,520
know, extending to the ground, but

3614
02:44:45,520 --> 02:44:48,880
that's a minor detail. So I I think

3615
02:44:48,880 --> 02:44:50,880
probably that explanation makes sense to

3616
02:44:50,880 --> 02:44:56,319
how the code is intended. Um but um

3617
02:44:56,319 --> 02:45:00,428
okay

3618
02:45:00,438 --> 02:45:03,510
[clears throat and cough]

3619
02:45:03,520 --> 02:45:07,634
there other questions.

3620
02:45:07,644 --> 02:45:10,230
[clears throat]

3621
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:12,479
» Thank you.

3622
02:45:12,479 --> 02:45:17,830
>> into deliberation.

3623
02:45:17,840 --> 02:45:21,120
As far as the structure is concerned, I really haven't seen anything that

3624
02:45:21,120 --> 02:45:24,080
jumps out as to me as an issue.

3625
02:45:24,080 --> 02:45:25,920
>> Yeah. Um I was going to say the same

3626
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:28,479
thing. I think in terms of the drawings

3627
02:45:28,479 --> 02:45:31,760
we have of the three structures, they're

3628
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:35,040
all within the height limits. Um they

3629
02:45:35,040 --> 02:45:37,359
all look like they would fit very well.

3630
02:45:37,359 --> 02:45:39,600
Many of them are actually buried

3631
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:42,160
significantly at one end or the other.

3632
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:44,240
Um, so I think that there actually be

3633
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:47,439
very inconspicuous structures and I was

3634
02:45:47,439 --> 02:45:48,800
actually one of the members who was

3635
02:45:48,800 --> 02:45:51,520
there for the poll test and that ridge

3636
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:58,720
line pretty much hides it from SR9 and the rest of the valley. Um,

3637
02:45:58,720 --> 02:46:07,600
so overall I think the design is uh I'm happy with all the designs. Um,

3638
02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:10,319
my only concern is that I'd like to see

3639
02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:12,319
the geotechnical report, which is part

3640
02:46:12,319 --> 02:46:13,920
of why I asked the question that maybe

3641
02:46:13,920 --> 02:46:17,600
we have discussion if we all agree

3642
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:19,600
that this design looks good that we

3643
02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:22,479
would table waiting for the report,

3644
02:46:22,479 --> 02:46:24,960
letting the applicant know that we are

3645
02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:27,200
comfortable with the placing of the

3646
02:46:27,200 --> 02:46:29,840
houses and the general design and

3647
02:46:29,840 --> 02:46:31,439
layout.

3648
02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:33,680
But I mean, open it up to others and see

3649
02:46:33,680 --> 02:46:36,479
what they think.

3650
02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:38,640
I I would like to and maybe this my own

3651
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:42,800
curiosity but when the geological report

3652
02:46:42,800 --> 02:46:45,680
is done I would like to see that for our

3653
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:47,120
own benefit to see what kind of

3654
02:46:47,120 --> 02:46:49,680
mitigation was required to help us in

3655
02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:51,040
other parts of the

3656
02:46:51,040 --> 02:46:52,560
>> right and that would be the reason

3657
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:53,840
>> for table

3658
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:56,880
>> so that way it would come back to us

3659
02:46:56,880 --> 02:46:58,800
with a completed geotechnical report

3660
02:46:58,800 --> 02:47:01,600
that we could see any required

3661
02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:03,600
mitigations

3662
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:05,920
um and also potentially see if it turns

3663
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:09,279
out to the geotechnical report changes

3664
02:47:09,279 --> 02:47:10,720
the design somehow.

3665
02:47:10,720 --> 02:47:11,920
>> Right?

3666
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:15,520
>> So that's why I would prefer to table um

3667
02:47:15,520 --> 02:47:18,000
but giving the applicant the indication

3668
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:19,279
that

3669
02:47:19,279 --> 02:47:22,560
>> rather than approving it we table it but

3670
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:25,840
by having our discussion we can indicate

3671
02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:28,080
if we are comfortable with the layouts

3672
02:47:28,080 --> 02:47:30,319
and the pl positioning and where things

3673
02:47:30,319 --> 02:47:35,279
are. Um, personally I think I am and and

3674
02:47:35,279 --> 02:47:37,040
again I think one of the conditions we

3675
02:47:37,040 --> 02:47:39,920
talked about was that the plat uh get

3676
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:46,000
gets um recorded because the movement of the property line is is important to

3677
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:48,240
the setbacks and confirming the

3678
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:49,920
setbacks.

3679
02:47:49,920 --> 02:47:50,640
Um

3680
02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:51,439
>> yeah please

3681
02:47:51,439 --> 02:47:54,720
>> please have a question

3682
02:47:54,720 --> 02:47:56,720
on that. So that the the plat has been

3683
02:47:56,720 --> 02:47:58,399
approved you guys have seen it and the

3684
02:47:58,399 --> 02:47:59,920
only concern I have with recording is

3685
02:47:59,920 --> 02:48:02,720
typically a A plat is recorded uh and

3686
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:14,389
that's based on

3687
02:48:14,399 --> 02:48:15,920
typically if there's improvements

3688
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:17,200
required with the plat they have to be

3689
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:19,600
built or bonded for and so at this point

3690
02:48:19,600 --> 02:48:21,120
I don't know what improvements I need

3691
02:48:21,120 --> 02:48:23,120
because I don't I haven't done the the

3692
02:48:23,120 --> 02:48:25,840
plans the civil plans does that make

3693
02:48:25,840 --> 02:48:27,200
sense so like for example if we're in a

3694
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:28,720
regular subdivision I would have to spec

3695
02:48:28,720 --> 02:48:30,319
out you know the water me the sewer

3696
02:48:30,319 --> 02:48:31,840
laterals I'd have to have there's any

3697
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:34,319
road improvements. And so those

3698
02:48:34,319 --> 02:48:35,920
improvements are required to record the

3699
02:48:35,920 --> 02:48:37,600
plat. And so typically in this case, I

3700
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:38,479
don't know what those improvements are.

3701
02:48:38,479 --> 02:48:40,080
So it doesn't make sense for me to to

3702
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:42,720
record it or I don't you almost can't

3703
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:44,240
without knowing what those improvements

3704
02:48:44,240 --> 02:48:49,520
are. It's already been approved by the the town. So whatever. I mean, if

3705
02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:51,040
unless you wanted to to wave something

3706
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:53,120
or or I'm missing something, I don't

3707
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:54,080
know.

3708
02:48:54,080 --> 02:48:56,000
>> Um

3709
02:48:56,000 --> 02:49:00,640
>> yeah. So the the the development is in

3710
02:49:00,640 --> 02:49:03,600
compliance only because the the the

3711
02:49:03,600 --> 02:49:05,680
property lines have moved. So it is kind

3712
02:49:05,680 --> 02:49:08,160
of a an important do you want to add

3713
02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:10,880
something Tom or you're looking

3714
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:12,880
expectantly.

3715
02:49:12,880 --> 02:49:16,000
Go for it. So unlike with a with a brand

3716
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:17,840
new subdivision plat the process you

3717
02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:19,680
described Jared would be would be

3718
02:49:19,680 --> 02:49:22,080
correct where you have to do the

3719
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:23,760
improvements or bond for them before you

3720
02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:26,160
can approve before the final plat can be

3721
02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:28,479
recorded. You're doing a plat amendment

3722
02:49:28,479 --> 02:49:30,640
which is different. So you you don't

3723
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:32,240
need to have those improvements in or

3724
02:49:32,240 --> 02:49:34,000
bond for them. All you need to do is

3725
02:49:34,000 --> 02:49:35,760
take that document that's already been

3726
02:49:35,760 --> 02:49:38,800
approved and have that recorded. you

3727
02:49:38,800 --> 02:49:41,040
don't need to the that's independent of

3728
02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:43,040
when the um infrastructure improvements

3729
02:49:43,040 --> 02:49:43,760
are made.

3730
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:46,080
>> So like I said it's it's been approved

3731
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:48,000
by this group and I think the engineers

3732
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:50,240
have looked at it as well. So when we've

3733
02:49:50,240 --> 02:49:51,520
made the one correction they asked for.

3734
02:49:51,520 --> 02:49:52,960
So I could go out there I I could print

3735
02:49:52,960 --> 02:49:54,479
that tomorrow and take it to the county

3736
02:49:54,479 --> 02:50:01,190
and get it recorded. Okay.

3737
02:50:01,200 --> 02:50:06,790
» Sorry. Yes, that's correct.

3738
02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:08,399
» Yes.

3739
02:50:08,399 --> 02:50:11,120
So I

3740
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:13,200
just on what you were just deliberating

3741
02:50:13,200 --> 02:50:16,960
on, I would just offer the other option

3742
02:50:16,960 --> 02:50:22,399
is what Nile has stated here is that you

3743
02:50:22,399 --> 02:50:26,160
can give us a conditional approval,

3744
02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:29,279
which to me is more official, that it is

3745
02:50:29,279 --> 02:50:30,960
approved

3746
02:50:30,960 --> 02:50:36,080
pending that we submit the geotechnical

3747
02:50:36,080 --> 02:50:37,359
report

3748
02:50:37,359 --> 02:50:39,920
Really what's required is the geologic

3749
02:50:39,920 --> 02:50:44,000
hazard checklist part C is signed which

3750
02:50:44,000 --> 02:50:47,760
absolves the town of all responsibility.

3751
02:50:47,760 --> 02:50:54,000
um you know it it it so you know

3752
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:57,600
that to me that would that's a that's

3753
02:50:57,600 --> 02:51:00,160
more concrete

3754
02:51:00,160 --> 02:51:03,279
uh that it it is approved

3755
02:51:03,279 --> 02:51:05,520
with the conditions

3756
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:08,160
whatever conditions you want to add here

3757
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:11,600
that the plat is recorded the 30% slope

3758
02:51:11,600 --> 02:51:15,200
is adhered to in terms of the canal

3759
02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:21,760
lever on lot 11 and and that we we we're

3760
02:51:21,760 --> 02:51:24,800
not asking to not do it. We're asking to

3761
02:51:24,800 --> 02:51:28,399
do it when we have it all together. And

3762
02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:32,720
it will not affect where we are. We're

3763
02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:35,840
going to be where we are. And it's just

3764
02:51:35,840 --> 02:51:39,840
a matter of of of us submitting it when

3765
02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:41,600
we have the opport, you know, when we

3766
02:51:41,600 --> 02:51:45,600
can get everything together that we, you

3767
02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:47,520
know, we're, you know, that that would

3768
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:51,200
just be preferred if you I I don't know

3769
02:51:51,200 --> 02:51:52,960
that it's different than what you're

3770
02:51:52,960 --> 02:51:55,600
saying about tableabling it. I just

3771
02:51:55,600 --> 02:51:57,680
think tableabling it means that there's

3772
02:51:57,680 --> 02:51:59,680
been no decision.

3773
02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:02,800
Um, yeah, tableabling would would mean

3774
02:52:02,800 --> 02:52:08,160
that there's not a decision and that you would come back again when the

3775
02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:12,080
geotechnical report is complete.

3776
02:52:12,080 --> 02:52:14,160
Um, and what you would have going

3777
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:16,560
forward is the discussions that we've

3778
02:52:16,560 --> 02:52:19,359
had here. And I'll let others speak for

3779
02:52:19,359 --> 02:52:21,359
themselves, but my my perception is that

3780
02:52:21,359 --> 02:52:24,560
we all feel pretty comfortable with the

3781
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:26,640
layouts, the buildings, the positions,

3782
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:28,160
and the locations of the buildings, and

3783
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:31,040
the things that you've said are a

3784
02:52:31,040 --> 02:52:33,200
concern that you want to know that

3785
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:36,720
they're final before you complete the

3786
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:41,279
geotechnical report. Um and so but we we

3787
02:52:41,279 --> 02:52:43,520
feel that we need to see that the see

3788
02:52:43,520 --> 02:52:46,720
the geotechnical support report in a

3789
02:52:46,720 --> 02:52:48,240
before we can approve the completely

3790
02:52:48,240 --> 02:52:49,359
approve the DDR.

3791
02:52:49,359 --> 02:52:51,840
>> So are you saying there's an issue by

3792
02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:54,000
saying approving it with the condition

3793
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:55,920
that they have to come back with the

3794
02:52:55,920 --> 02:52:58,880
geotechnical report and no significant

3795
02:52:58,880 --> 02:53:02,080
changes to plans have been made. Um well

3796
02:53:02,080 --> 02:53:06,080
I I I might ask the staff to comment but

3797
02:53:06,080 --> 02:53:08,160
to correct me but my understanding is is

3798
02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:10,960
that if we approve with a condition then

3799
02:53:10,960 --> 02:53:13,359
it never then it does not come back to

3800
02:53:13,359 --> 02:53:14,880
us

3801
02:53:14,880 --> 02:53:17,520
that the staff takes care of making sure

3802
02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:19,840
the conditions are met which is an

3803
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:22,080
option because they will make sure that

3804
02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:25,600
the that the report is there but we will

3805
02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:27,600
not see it. Can't we put the can't we

3806
02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:29,680
put a um a condition in that they have

3807
02:53:29,680 --> 02:53:31,040
to come back to us?

3808
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:33,120
>> Do we do that? Is that

3809
02:53:33,120 --> 02:53:35,279
>> can I say something?

3810
02:53:35,279 --> 02:53:37,840
>> Sorry to interrupt but

3811
02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:40,240
>> yeah I mean I think what would happen is

3812
02:53:40,240 --> 02:53:43,680
that um the approval then they can move

3813
02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:45,279
to the building permit and then the

3814
02:53:45,279 --> 02:53:47,680
building permit is staff approved. So

3815
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:49,760
the geotechnical

3816
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:51,600
study would be part of the building

3817
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:53,920
permit application that that doesn't

3818
02:53:53,920 --> 02:53:56,399
come back to the planning commission.

3819
02:53:56,399 --> 02:53:59,359
>> I guess my concern is that there's you

3820
02:53:59,359 --> 02:54:01,200
>> my one thing I want to say my

3821
02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:02,880
understanding

3822
02:54:02,880 --> 02:54:08,000
the the only I this going to sound

3823
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:10,800
maybe too bold or maybe I'm being

3824
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:15,110
presumptuous or too bold.

3825
02:54:15,120 --> 02:54:18,880
My I if we had signed this and submitted

3826
02:54:18,880 --> 02:54:20,880
it,

3827
02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:24,560
the staff report would say that it has

3828
02:54:24,560 --> 02:54:26,960
been submitted

3829
02:54:26,960 --> 02:54:30,080
and I don't know that you're seeing it.

3830
02:54:30,080 --> 02:54:32,560
I mean I you know I don't think y'all

3831
02:54:32,560 --> 02:54:35,200
are reviewing a geotechnical

3832
02:54:35,200 --> 02:54:36,960
investigation report.

3833
02:54:36,960 --> 02:54:42,240
>> Actually we do. I mean sense of

3834
02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:45,520
>> are you questioning the engineer that

3835
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:48,399
says they're comfortable building here

3836
02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:51,920
and that they have that that's what

3837
02:54:51,920 --> 02:54:53,760
they're signing. They're the ones

3838
02:54:53,760 --> 02:54:55,359
signing it

3839
02:54:55,359 --> 02:55:00,800
>> and so they're only going to sign it if they're

3840
02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:05,120
comfortable and they're the expert. And

3841
02:55:05,120 --> 02:55:09,439
so uh the the only thing that

3842
02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:13,040
I think that uh if I understand it

3843
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:15,840
correctly that there is either partial

3844
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:18,560
or full mitigation and my understanding

3845
02:55:18,560 --> 02:55:21,680
is no one is achieving full mitigation.

3846
02:55:21,680 --> 02:55:24,560
The only thing that one can do in this

3847
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:27,120
area is partial mitigation.

3848
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:29,680
And also my understanding is that it is

3849
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:32,960
a property owner's right to assume all

3850
02:55:32,960 --> 02:55:38,160
risk and to build on the property

3851
02:55:38,160 --> 02:55:43,040
per the state code. And that's the the

3852
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:46,880
um Utah geology

3853
02:55:46,880 --> 02:55:51,120
uh survey code that is tied to this

3854
02:55:51,120 --> 02:56:02,150
code. So, you know, I think that that's my understanding.

3855
02:56:02,160 --> 02:56:04,479
» So, I've been on the commission a number

3856
02:56:04,479 --> 02:56:07,840
of years and uh have read numerous

3857
02:56:07,840 --> 02:56:10,560
geotechnical reports. I don't ever

3858
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:14,880
consider myself to question the uh

3859
02:56:14,880 --> 02:56:16,720
report or the recommendations of the

3860
02:56:16,720 --> 02:56:20,399
engineer. It is more to see what those

3861
02:56:20,399 --> 02:56:23,040
recommendations are, what what the

3862
02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:26,800
issues were reported and what and to see

3863
02:56:26,800 --> 02:56:29,359
that they have been implemented in the

3864
02:56:29,359 --> 02:56:32,560
plan. Um, and so we're not questioning

3865
02:56:32,560 --> 02:56:36,000
the engineers as much as ensuring that

3866
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:38,399
the report has been completed and that

3867
02:56:38,399 --> 02:56:40,800
it was included

3868
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:43,840
in the plan. and if a property owner

3869
02:56:43,840 --> 02:56:45,920
decides not to follow certain things

3870
02:56:45,920 --> 02:56:48,080
that we understand that in our approval

3871
02:56:48,080 --> 02:56:51,359
or disapproval of the DDR so it's not to

3872
02:56:51,359 --> 02:56:55,439
question the engineer per se. Um that's

3873
02:56:55,439 --> 02:56:58,240
certainly my perspective on how I view

3874
02:56:58,240 --> 02:57:00,160
geotechnical reports.

3875
02:57:00,160 --> 02:57:06,550
>> I think that's I'd agree with that.

3876
02:57:06,560 --> 02:57:08,720
So kind of circling back to the qu the

3877
02:57:08,720 --> 02:57:11,760
question before that can we approve it

3878
02:57:11,760 --> 02:57:14,319
with the condition that we see that

3879
02:57:14,319 --> 02:57:16,160
report?

3880
02:57:16,160 --> 02:57:19,120
>> No it's it's it wouldn't be part of the

3881
02:57:19,120 --> 02:57:19,680
process.

3882
02:57:19,680 --> 02:57:21,279
>> Yeah I okay I understand.

3883
02:57:21,279 --> 02:57:23,920
>> Yeah it would go to the building permit

3884
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:26,080
which the staff approves. So, if we want

3885
02:57:26,080 --> 02:57:26,880
to see

3886
02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:31,120
>> I I guess I'm a little confused because you you

3887
02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:33,279
initially stated that you were concerned

3888
02:57:33,279 --> 02:57:37,920
about doing the geotech report before

3889
02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:41,359
you had final sighting uh information.

3890
02:57:41,359 --> 02:57:43,359
And then you followed on by saying

3891
02:57:43,359 --> 02:57:45,920
you've done most of all the cings anyway

3892
02:57:45,920 --> 02:57:47,840
where you think the site's going to be

3893
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:50,479
and

3894
02:57:50,479 --> 02:57:53,760
the part of part of that is also the

3895
02:57:53,760 --> 02:57:56,640
structural engineering that demonstrates

3896
02:57:56,640 --> 02:57:59,840
how we comp.

3897
02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:03,349
>> Correct. Right.

3898
02:58:03,359 --> 02:58:11,750
Yes.

3899
02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:15,520
» Um when the driveway request, the

3900
02:58:15,520 --> 02:58:18,560
driveway variance request was approved,

3901
02:58:18,560 --> 02:58:20,080
we

3902
02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:24,240
did proceed with the beginning steps

3903
02:58:24,240 --> 02:58:26,240
which were doing the borings and the

3904
02:58:26,240 --> 02:58:29,359
report is not finalized.

3905
02:58:29,359 --> 02:58:32,960
Um but there's enough there's a recent

3906
02:58:32,960 --> 02:58:34,479
uh

3907
02:58:34,479 --> 02:58:38,080
long-term analysis that had have been

3908
02:58:38,080 --> 02:58:41,439
con concluded and was just talking with

3909
02:58:41,439 --> 02:58:43,920
my structural engineer and my

3910
02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:47,760
geotechnical engineer yesterday and um

3911
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:50,000
you know he's he finally has enough

3912
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:57,439
information. He feels confident that um you know that we we're we're going to

3913
02:58:57,439 --> 02:59:02,000
be uh in a position to to uh to comply

3914
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:04,080
with all their recommendations and be

3915
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:05,760
where we are and all that that I've

3916
02:59:05,760 --> 02:59:10,479
said, but it's not done. And so, yes, we

3917
02:59:10,479 --> 02:59:15,120
did pull the trigger on the borings.

3918
02:59:15,120 --> 02:59:18,800
Um but we still have a lot of work to do

3919
02:59:18,800 --> 02:59:22,640
and and yeah it's and our client has

3920
02:59:22,640 --> 02:59:25,439
agreed with you know but it's just you

3921
02:59:25,439 --> 02:59:28,479
know I I guess I'm just it you all do

3922
02:59:28,479 --> 02:59:30,560
what you need to you know I appre

3923
02:59:30,560 --> 02:59:34,319
appreciate what you just said and um if

3924
02:59:34,319 --> 02:59:36,319
it needs to be tabled so that y'all can

3925
02:59:36,319 --> 02:59:40,000
see it um I don't think it's going to

3926
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:43,359
change anything. Um, so whatever y'all

3927
02:59:43,359 --> 02:59:45,920
need to do to be comfortable. I was just

3928
02:59:45,920 --> 02:59:48,399
seeing if we could get that and it'd be

3929
02:59:48,399 --> 02:59:50,960
conditional, but Nile is saying that the

3930
02:59:50,960 --> 02:59:53,439
process doesn't work that way. If you

3931
02:59:53,439 --> 02:59:57,279
want to see the report

3932
02:59:57,279 --> 03:00:01,840
u my you know conventionally a building

3933
03:00:01,840 --> 03:00:04,399
department that's issuing it that's

3934
03:00:04,399 --> 03:00:06,720
doing plan review

3935
03:00:06,720 --> 03:00:10,560
uh and issues building permits

3936
03:00:10,560 --> 03:00:13,040
um are usually

3937
03:00:13,040 --> 03:00:15,439
you know the the the higher standard of

3938
03:00:15,439 --> 03:00:17,120
review

3939
03:00:17,120 --> 03:00:20,240
um in terms of

3940
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:23,279
compliance with every the code, the

3941
03:00:23,279 --> 03:00:26,479
building code. Um, and I understand this

3942
03:00:26,479 --> 03:00:32,000
is, you know, part of the uh the code.

3943
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:36,000
Uh, but it it's um it's in a planning

3944
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:39,359
process versus the building

3945
03:00:39,359 --> 03:00:42,640
plan review process. So I don't know we

3946
03:00:42,640 --> 03:00:46,560
just feel that uh our understanding of

3947
03:00:46,560 --> 03:00:50,560
this is that the the that our client is

3948
03:00:50,560 --> 03:00:54,880
paying for your the town's geote

3949
03:00:54,880 --> 03:00:58,000
technical engineer to review this report

3950
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:00,399
that's in the geologic hazard checklist

3951
03:01:00,399 --> 03:01:03,680
on page one on the front page. So we we

3952
03:01:03,680 --> 03:01:06,560
know that our client is going to be

3953
03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:09,920
paying the town for the town to review

3954
03:01:09,920 --> 03:01:14,160
it with a technical engineer.

3955
03:01:14,160 --> 03:01:17,520
And then there's also the plan the plan

3956
03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:19,760
review department. The building plan the

3957
03:01:19,760 --> 03:01:22,240
building department has a structural

3958
03:01:22,240 --> 03:01:23,920
engineer that's going to be re reviewing

3959
03:01:23,920 --> 03:01:27,279
our structural plans. And so to me

3960
03:01:27,279 --> 03:01:32,309
that's all happening in that process.

3961
03:01:32,319 --> 03:01:34,160
So it I I don't think it's going to

3962
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:41,920
change anything with the land use or the it it's it's a technical review, you

3963
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:43,760
know, does does the structural

3964
03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:45,920
engineering follow the geotechnical

3965
03:01:45,920 --> 03:01:48,000
engineers recommendations and vice

3966
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:51,760
versa. So anyway, that I'm getting into

3967
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:54,080
the weed a little bit. I I

3968
03:01:54,080 --> 03:01:57,040
>> But I do think there's a I said to Nile,

3969
03:01:57,040 --> 03:01:59,760
"Honestly, I feel this is a little

3970
03:01:59,760 --> 03:02:01,359
backwards."

3971
03:02:01,359 --> 03:02:04,000
You know, I get it. You y'all want to

3972
03:02:04,000 --> 03:02:06,319
know if you're approving something here

3973
03:02:06,319 --> 03:02:10,479
that it meets the pl the land use

3974
03:02:10,479 --> 03:02:13,120
ordinances relative to planning,

3975
03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:16,000
protecting the gateway to the biggest

3976
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:18,720
asset this town has. I I get all that

3977
03:02:18,720 --> 03:02:21,600
and it's very a very very good code. But

3978
03:02:21,600 --> 03:02:24,479
I just think this is a is a considering

3979
03:02:24,479 --> 03:02:28,800
the complexity of the area we're in. It

3980
03:02:28,800 --> 03:02:31,920
uh there's a lot of work going into

3981
03:02:31,920 --> 03:02:34,880
doing this and you know it's pretty

3982
03:02:34,880 --> 03:02:38,080
technical stuff that I appreciate that

3983
03:02:38,080 --> 03:02:40,640
you you're used to reviewing that and

3984
03:02:40,640 --> 03:02:42,479
I've heard you speak today and know

3985
03:02:42,479 --> 03:02:46,479
you're very technically oriented. So I'm

3986
03:02:46,479 --> 03:02:48,880
I just am saying there's these other

3987
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:50,880
steps that are also going to be looking

3988
03:02:50,880 --> 03:02:54,479
at all of that.

3989
03:02:54,479 --> 03:02:56,960
I

3990
03:02:56,960 --> 03:02:59,760
when we went into this discussion um

3991
03:02:59,760 --> 03:03:02,160
especially after all the talk of horse

3992
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:04,240
before the cart and chicken and eggs and

3993
03:03:04,240 --> 03:03:07,840
stuff that I was like we like we need to

3994
03:03:07,840 --> 03:03:10,479
get that geotechnical report like you

3995
03:03:10,479 --> 03:03:12,720
know just keep everything in alignment

3996
03:03:12,720 --> 03:03:16,479
with how it's supposed to go but then

3997
03:03:16,479 --> 03:03:19,680
after understanding this project better

3998
03:03:19,680 --> 03:03:22,479
and um really looking at the site I I

3999
03:03:22,479 --> 03:03:25,120
can understand why you would be

4000
03:03:25,120 --> 03:03:28,319
requesting that. I am comfortable with

4001
03:03:28,319 --> 03:03:31,120
doing a conditional approval and I would

4002
03:03:31,120 --> 03:03:33,040
want to have something more concrete

4003
03:03:33,040 --> 03:03:35,920
than just our word of mouth that it

4004
03:03:35,920 --> 03:03:38,640
looks good. So, I understand that and

4005
03:03:38,640 --> 03:03:42,960
I'm also comfortable um with not seeing

4006
03:03:42,960 --> 03:03:44,960
the report knowing that it would be in

4007
03:03:44,960 --> 03:03:49,040
the hands of the of the staff and what's

4008
03:03:49,040 --> 03:03:52,399
in your plans. So that's that's where I

4009
03:03:52,399 --> 03:03:55,120
sit. I guess the concern that I have is

4010
03:03:55,120 --> 03:03:59,680
that I mean while it's not a a large

4011
03:03:59,680 --> 03:04:01,760
probability there is the possibility

4012
03:04:01,760 --> 03:04:06,240
that um the geotechnical report requires

4013
03:04:06,240 --> 03:04:13,600
um site modifications or or resiting the buildings if you will which you know

4014
03:04:13,600 --> 03:04:16,479
um would be something that this this

4015
03:04:16,479 --> 03:04:18,640
committee would be interested in doing

4016
03:04:18,640 --> 03:04:21,520
or looking at as opposed to you know

4017
03:04:21,520 --> 03:04:24,240
pushing it um uh the road if you will

4018
03:04:24,240 --> 03:04:25,600
and having somebody else look at that

4019
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:28,319
and say yeah it's okay because

4020
03:04:28,319 --> 03:04:30,560
>> the staff was doing that. Yeah,

4021
03:04:30,560 --> 03:04:31,600
>> I'm comfortable with it.

4022
03:04:31,600 --> 03:04:36,640
>> But to to just sorry I if you go to the

4023
03:04:36,640 --> 03:04:40,240
last page of the staff report that's

4024
03:04:40,240 --> 03:04:41,920
Nile's saying the planning commission

4025
03:04:41,920 --> 03:04:44,000
approves denies.

4026
03:04:44,000 --> 03:04:46,160
So it's a choice the design development

4027
03:04:46,160 --> 03:04:50,560
review application for this project

4028
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:54,479
the the applicant must comply

4029
03:04:54,479 --> 03:04:57,680
with the thing with the building permit.

4030
03:04:57,680 --> 03:05:00,080
It also says

4031
03:05:00,080 --> 03:05:03,600
um if the geologic hazards are found

4032
03:05:03,600 --> 03:05:06,080
this is what you could just agree to

4033
03:05:06,080 --> 03:05:08,160
approve that is already the condition

4034
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:10,319
that's written

4035
03:05:10,319 --> 03:05:12,800
if the geologic hazards are found to be

4036
03:05:12,800 --> 03:05:15,840
significant [clears throat]

4037
03:05:15,840 --> 03:05:17,439
must be submitted. Well, we we know

4038
03:05:17,439 --> 03:05:19,279
we're doing that. That sorry, the next

4039
03:05:19,279 --> 03:05:21,439
line, the development will incorporate

4040
03:05:21,439 --> 03:05:23,600
any recommendations arising from these

4041
03:05:23,600 --> 03:05:26,160
assessments. If significant changes to

4042
03:05:26,160 --> 03:05:27,680
the design are found to be necessary,

4043
03:05:27,680 --> 03:05:31,279
the applicant will gain any necessary

4044
03:05:31,279 --> 03:05:33,760
approvals from the town for such design

4045
03:05:33,760 --> 03:05:35,520
changes,

4046
03:05:35,520 --> 03:05:40,240
which I I which I think means we have to

4047
03:05:40,240 --> 03:05:42,880
go back through the DDR process. So,

4048
03:05:42,880 --> 03:05:45,120
that's in there. you know if we have to

4049
03:05:45,120 --> 03:05:48,560
do something to Paul to your comment we

4050
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:50,240
have to come back through the DDR

4051
03:05:50,240 --> 03:05:53,200
process there's no question about that

4052
03:05:53,200 --> 03:05:55,040
and that can be in the conditional

4053
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:58,309
approval

4054
03:05:58,319 --> 03:06:00,800
that correct

4055
03:06:00,800 --> 03:06:01,840
>> that's what I heard

4056
03:06:01,840 --> 03:06:06,000
>> so the condition that that I included as

4057
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:11,030
a possibility

4058
03:06:11,040 --> 03:06:16,240
says that if Um, yeah,

4059
03:06:16,240 --> 03:06:18,720
there we go. Kind of like Wendell was

4060
03:06:18,720 --> 03:06:21,520
saying that if the geotechnical

4061
03:06:21,520 --> 03:06:24,880
report requires changes that

4062
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:26,960
um that approval for those changes would

4063
03:06:26,960 --> 03:06:32,150
be required,

4064
03:06:32,160 --> 03:06:35,200
» but that approval would be given by town

4065
03:06:35,200 --> 03:06:35,920
staff.

4066
03:06:35,920 --> 03:06:38,080
>> Correct. Right.

4067
03:06:38,080 --> 03:06:41,439
usually changes to plans partway through

4068
03:06:41,439 --> 03:06:42,960
we don't bring that to planning

4069
03:06:42,960 --> 03:06:45,439
commission in most cases that's correct

4070
03:06:45,439 --> 03:06:47,279
that that would mostly be reviewed by

4071
03:06:47,279 --> 03:06:49,040
staff

4072
03:06:49,040 --> 03:06:51,520
so I mean one of the things this sort of

4073
03:06:51,520 --> 03:06:54,399
opens up is like

4074
03:06:54,399 --> 03:06:56,160
you know does I mean okay let me back up

4075
03:06:56,160 --> 03:06:59,439
a second so I've done many DDRs here and

4076
03:06:59,439 --> 03:07:01,680
they've all included the technical

4077
03:07:01,680 --> 03:07:06,080
report so many plans have come through

4078
03:07:06,080 --> 03:07:08,880
and they were able ble to provide a

4079
03:07:08,880 --> 03:07:12,080
finished geotechnical report at the time

4080
03:07:12,080 --> 03:07:13,920
of the DDR.

4081
03:07:13,920 --> 03:07:15,439
>> Um,

4082
03:07:15,439 --> 03:07:19,359
now if that really if we've really

4083
03:07:19,359 --> 03:07:21,760
driven everybody to go backwards or to

4084
03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:24,560
go in reverse order, that might mean we

4085
03:07:24,560 --> 03:07:28,560
should change the process. Um, and maybe

4086
03:07:28,560 --> 03:07:30,319
we would discuss that in work meetings

4087
03:07:30,319 --> 03:07:32,960
and stuff. But I I really feel like we

4088
03:07:32,960 --> 03:07:35,600
have put all these other DDRs through

4089
03:07:35,600 --> 03:07:37,120
the same process and they've all

4090
03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:39,760
provided this and and we've we've

4091
03:07:39,760 --> 03:07:42,319
considered it. Um and and like I said

4092
03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:45,920
myself, I I I look for what said and

4093
03:07:45,920 --> 03:07:48,560
kind of compare it to what's provided so

4094
03:07:48,560 --> 03:07:50,640
that I can understand that. Yep. Sure

4095
03:07:50,640 --> 03:07:52,479
enough, they followed the

4096
03:07:52,479 --> 03:07:56,560
recommendations. Um so my mind is that

4097
03:07:56,560 --> 03:07:59,359
this is this is the way it's designed to

4098
03:07:59,359 --> 03:08:00,560
be done.

4099
03:08:00,560 --> 03:08:02,319
If we need a design to do it different,

4100
03:08:02,319 --> 03:08:03,840
that's a we should fix process. We

4101
03:08:03,840 --> 03:08:17,269
should fix that.

4102
03:08:17,279 --> 03:08:20,080
There's, you know, I understand a

4103
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:22,960
majority of the things built here

4104
03:08:22,960 --> 03:08:27,760
require this, but this is

4105
03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:31,600
um I I don't think it's

4106
03:08:31,600 --> 03:08:34,960
a common site

4107
03:08:34,960 --> 03:08:39,279
relative to the the you know it it it

4108
03:08:39,279 --> 03:08:41,760
there's a there's a greater assessment

4109
03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:44,319
that has to be done on this site.

4110
03:08:44,319 --> 03:08:45,520
>> Yeah, I think

4111
03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:48,800
>> more more involved due to the fact that

4112
03:08:48,800 --> 03:08:52,160
we're at the toe of the Johnson

4113
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:54,960
landslide Johnson Mountain landslide

4114
03:08:54,960 --> 03:08:57,200
area which is

4115
03:08:57,200 --> 03:08:59,920
a mile by a mile. It's not, as our

4116
03:08:59,920 --> 03:09:02,240
geotechnical engineers said yesterday,

4117
03:09:02,240 --> 03:09:04,000
it's not small potatoes,

4118
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:08,080
>> but but so it's a it's it is a unique

4119
03:09:08,080 --> 03:09:13,120
uh case relative to other things. And I

4120
03:09:13,120 --> 03:09:16,720
guess I don't want to if I would say, do

4121
03:09:16,720 --> 03:09:19,840
you need to change it? I don't know that

4122
03:09:19,840 --> 03:09:21,120
you do. this is a unique

4123
03:09:21,120 --> 03:09:22,240
>> Yeah, I think that that

4124
03:09:22,240 --> 03:09:26,000
>> and and and lastly that

4125
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:30,399
um you know it uh

4126
03:09:30,399 --> 03:09:33,439
Yeah, I I just don't I just think that's

4127
03:09:33,439 --> 03:09:35,920
the we're I don't want to be penalized

4128
03:09:35,920 --> 03:09:39,040
for doing a better job.

4129
03:09:39,040 --> 03:09:41,120
>> Yeah. And I think

4130
03:09:41,120 --> 03:09:44,000
>> being sure we know what we're signing,

4131
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:45,520
we've done the engineering, the

4132
03:09:45,520 --> 03:09:47,200
structural engineering that follows

4133
03:09:47,200 --> 03:09:51,120
this. And I can assure you the amount of

4134
03:09:51,120 --> 03:09:54,880
money being spent on just the fees alone

4135
03:09:54,880 --> 03:09:58,080
are far in excess of probably most

4136
03:09:58,080 --> 03:10:01,600
things you're you're looking at here. So

4137
03:10:01,600 --> 03:10:05,439
we're just doing we're just trying to do

4138
03:10:05,439 --> 03:10:09,040
the job that we think is required. And I

4139
03:10:09,040 --> 03:10:10,319
think we and I don't want to cut you

4140
03:10:10,319 --> 03:10:12,479
off, but I think at this point we need

4141
03:10:12,479 --> 03:10:14,880
to um

4142
03:10:14,880 --> 03:10:17,040
kind of wrap up our planning commission

4143
03:10:17,040 --> 03:10:18,800
deliberation of where we sit with this

4144
03:10:18,800 --> 03:10:21,920
with all the information that we've

4145
03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:24,240
>> I do want to make one point. Although

4146
03:10:24,240 --> 03:10:26,399
it's not necessary it comes back to the

4147
03:10:26,399 --> 03:10:29,600
DDR that had happened before. You made

4148
03:10:29,600 --> 03:10:31,680
the choice to bring things back because

4149
03:10:31,680 --> 03:10:34,960
you felt the change was significant.

4150
03:10:34,960 --> 03:10:37,040
>> That's true. That's true. So can we put

4151
03:10:37,040 --> 03:10:39,840
a stipulation that we request this to be

4152
03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:43,840
brought back for staff to bring it back

4153
03:10:43,840 --> 03:10:45,520
>> could even include if the change is

4154
03:10:45,520 --> 03:10:46,479
significant.

4155
03:10:46,479 --> 03:10:47,760
>> So

4156
03:10:47,760 --> 03:10:51,120
>> sense if it doesn't cause any changes

4157
03:10:51,120 --> 03:10:54,000
>> then it won't come back. Yeah. But

4158
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:57,200
then what are we reviewing?

4159
03:10:57,200 --> 03:10:58,640
>> Then we wouldn't be reviewing it.

4160
03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:00,319
>> Right.

4161
03:11:00,319 --> 03:11:02,240
So the scenario I think you're

4162
03:11:02,240 --> 03:11:04,000
describing is where

4163
03:11:04,000 --> 03:11:06,319
>> what the applicant just stated is that

4164
03:11:06,319 --> 03:11:07,680
the reason one of the reasons they want

4165
03:11:07,680 --> 03:11:09,840
to wait on this is because you know this

4166
03:11:09,840 --> 03:11:12,720
isn't a very geo technically active and

4167
03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:15,600
very you know difficult site which

4168
03:11:15,600 --> 03:11:18,080
didn't help me feel better about this it

4169
03:11:18,080 --> 03:11:20,080
makes me feel more like I want to see

4170
03:11:20,080 --> 03:11:20,240
that

4171
03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:23,120
>> geotech like you really do need to yeah

4172
03:11:23,120 --> 03:11:24,880
because it is such a complicated

4173
03:11:24,880 --> 03:11:27,200
>> yes it is so we need to we need to see

4174
03:11:27,200 --> 03:11:29,680
some assurances from uh engineering

4175
03:11:29,680 --> 03:11:32,240
people that this is what their

4176
03:11:32,240 --> 03:11:34,080
recommendations are and that how it's

4177
03:11:34,080 --> 03:11:36,800
going to impact what the actual design

4178
03:11:36,800 --> 03:11:39,200
of the development is.

4179
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:42,240
>> I I think we have to stick to just our

4180
03:11:42,240 --> 03:11:44,160
deliberation. I'm sorry.

4181
03:11:44,160 --> 03:11:45,439
>> Yeah, we are kind of running a little

4182
03:11:45,439 --> 03:11:50,000
long, aren't we? Yes. Um so,

4183
03:11:50,000 --> 03:11:52,880
do we want to do a uh

4184
03:11:52,880 --> 03:11:54,319
should I do the third one?

4185
03:11:54,319 --> 03:11:56,479
>> Go for it. You're done. Um should do we

4186
03:11:56,479 --> 03:12:00,000
want to do a um table or do we want I

4187
03:12:00,000 --> 03:12:02,319
mean I'm for a table myself. I think

4188
03:12:02,319 --> 03:12:03,200
you're for a table.

4189
03:12:03,200 --> 03:12:06,080
>> Yeah, I would be up. Although I

4190
03:12:06,080 --> 03:12:08,560
understand the concerns and the

4191
03:12:08,560 --> 03:12:10,800
different requests and stuff. I think

4192
03:12:10,800 --> 03:12:13,520
where we're at at this juncture, a table

4193
03:12:13,520 --> 03:12:17,120
probably makes sense.

4194
03:12:17,120 --> 03:12:18,880
>> All right.

4195
03:12:18,880 --> 03:12:21,120
Um, so the planning commission desires

4196
03:12:21,120 --> 03:12:23,439
to table the design development review

4197
03:12:23,439 --> 03:12:26,800
application for a single family home and

4198
03:12:26,800 --> 03:12:30,160
accessory guest house at 201 North Fork

4199
03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:33,600
Drive and a single family home at 211

4200
03:12:33,600 --> 03:12:35,840
North Fork Drive as discussed in the

4201
03:12:35,840 --> 03:12:39,760
July 1st, 2026 meeting. This this is

4202
03:12:39,760 --> 03:12:43,279
based on the following this is uh has

4203
03:12:43,279 --> 03:12:47,120
the following findings that the um plan

4204
03:12:47,120 --> 03:12:50,160
as presented overall looks good. The

4205
03:12:50,160 --> 03:12:54,479
location and position of the of the um

4206
03:12:54,479 --> 03:12:57,520
site in the home built looks good to us.

4207
03:12:57,520 --> 03:13:00,479
um but that the geotechnical report is

4208
03:13:00,479 --> 03:13:02,399
not complete

4209
03:13:02,399 --> 03:13:05,520
and we therefore would like a return

4210
03:13:05,520 --> 03:13:07,680
with a complete and submitted

4211
03:13:07,680 --> 03:13:11,439
geotechnical report um with a plan that

4212
03:13:11,439 --> 03:13:14,160
is substantially the same as what we're

4213
03:13:14,160 --> 03:13:17,200
looking at today.

4214
03:13:17,200 --> 03:13:19,439
Did I miss anything?

4215
03:13:19,439 --> 03:13:20,800
Okay.

4216
03:13:20,800 --> 03:13:22,479
>> What about these other conditions that

4217
03:13:22,479 --> 03:13:24,000
>> Oh, yeah. Yes. There were threat there's

4218
03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:25,840
other conditions.

4219
03:13:25,840 --> 03:13:28,560
Um,

4220
03:13:28,560 --> 03:13:29,840
so let's see. So,

4221
03:13:29,840 --> 03:13:32,160
>> sorry Terry, if if you're tableabling,

4222
03:13:32,160 --> 03:13:32,960
you don't have to

4223
03:13:32,960 --> 03:13:34,800
>> don't have to have the other

4224
03:13:34,800 --> 03:13:36,319
>> because you would add those when you

4225
03:13:36,319 --> 03:13:39,200
make the decision.

4226
03:13:39,200 --> 03:13:39,439
>> Okay,

4227
03:13:39,439 --> 03:13:43,920
>> then is there second? Will you second?

4228
03:13:43,920 --> 03:13:47,600
>> Motion by Terry, second by Rich. All in

4229
03:13:47,600 --> 03:13:48,239
favor?

4230
03:13:48,239 --> 03:13:49,760
>> Rich, I.

4231
03:13:49,760 --> 03:13:50,880
>> Jennifer I.

4232
03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:52,640
>> All I.

4233
03:13:52,640 --> 03:13:55,600
>> Motion passes.

4234
03:13:55,600 --> 03:13:58,160
Moving on to the consent agenda. Is

4235
03:13:58,160 --> 03:14:00,080
there a motion for the approval of the

4236
03:14:00,080 --> 03:14:03,520
minutes from May 20th, 2026, June 3rd,

4237
03:14:03,520 --> 03:14:08,399
2026, and June 17th, 2026,

4238
03:14:08,399 --> 03:14:10,319
or any revisions that anyone would like

4239
03:14:10,319 --> 03:14:11,359
to suggest.

4240
03:14:11,359 --> 03:14:13,680
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the

4241
03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:16,479
consent agenda for the minutes for May

4242
03:14:16,479 --> 03:14:20,080
20, May 20th, June 3rd, and June 17th of

4243
03:14:20,080 --> 03:14:21,279
2026.

4244
03:14:21,279 --> 03:14:24,479
>> Second. Motion by Terry, second by Paul.

4245
03:14:24,479 --> 03:14:25,680
All in favor?

4246
03:14:25,680 --> 03:14:26,319
>> Rich I.

4247
03:14:26,319 --> 03:14:27,120
>> Terry I.

4248
03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:28,000
>> Jennifer I.

4249
03:14:28,000 --> 03:14:29,040
>> Paul I.

4250
03:14:29,040 --> 03:14:29,520
>> I.

4251
03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:32,560
>> Motion passes. Is there a motion to

4252
03:14:32,560 --> 03:14:35,520
adjurnn?

4253
03:14:35,520 --> 03:14:37,840
>> I'll second.

4254
03:14:37,840 --> 03:14:40,239
>> A motion by Melissa, second by Terry.

4255
03:14:40,239 --> 03:14:41,200
All in favor?

4256
03:14:41,200 --> 03:14:41,920
>> Rich I.

4257
03:14:41,920 --> 03:14:42,640
>> Terry I.

4258
03:14:42,640 --> 03:14:43,680
>> Jennifer I.

4259
03:14:43,680 --> 03:14:44,319
>> All I.

4260
03:14:44,319 --> 03:14:45,520
>> Melissa I.

4261
03:14:45,520 --> 03:15:00,950
>> Meeting is adjourned.

4262
03:15:00,960 --> 03:15:03,680
So, we've been