1 00:00:00,667 --> 00:00:02,335 It's got, uh, depend that Scott 2 00:00:02,335 --> 00:00:04,036 I go there looking for. I wear 3 00:00:04,036 --> 00:00:06,505 that all the time, 529, right, 4 00:00:06,505 --> 00:00:11,377 for, sorry, clerk 5 00:00:11,377 --> 00:00:15,582 I got, I, I kind of married 6 00:00:15,582 --> 00:00:17,617 The January 6, 2026 meeting of 7 00:00:17,617 --> 00:00:19,085 the City council is called to 8 00:00:19,085 --> 00:00:20,152 order. Please rise for the 9 00:00:20,152 --> 00:00:22,622 pledge of allegiance. 10 00:00:22,622 --> 00:00:24,957 I pledge allegiance to the flag 11 00:00:24,957 --> 00:00:27,059 of the United States of America. 12 00:00:27,192 --> 00:00:28,761 and to the Republic for which 13 00:00:28,761 --> 00:00:32,599 it stands. One nation under God. 14 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:34,233 Indivisible with liturgy and 15 00:00:34,233 --> 00:00:36,369 justice. 16 00:00:36,369 --> 00:00:37,970 Clerk Redpath, can you please 17 00:00:37,970 --> 00:00:41,274 call the roll? Yes, ma'am. 18 00:00:41,274 --> 00:00:43,743 Alderman Cox here, Alderman 19 00:00:43,743 --> 00:00:45,879 Gregory here. Altman Williams 20 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:47,413 Alderman Rockford. 21 00:00:47,413 --> 00:00:50,116 Alderwoman Purchase 22 00:00:50,116 --> 00:00:51,985 Al the woman Natriano. 23 00:00:51,985 --> 00:00:55,255 Alderman Carlson. 24 00:00:55,255 --> 00:00:56,889 Alderwoman Connelly presents 25 00:00:56,889 --> 00:00:58,724 Oman Donlin here, Altman 26 00:00:58,724 --> 00:01:00,626 Hanauer, Mayor Busher, Mayor, 27 00:01:00,626 --> 00:01:01,594 you have a quorum. Thank you, 28 00:01:01,594 --> 00:01:03,529 clerk. I appreciate it. The 29 00:01:03,529 --> 00:01:04,563 Civility pledge in the interest 30 00:01:04,563 --> 00:01:06,432 of civility, I pledge to 31 00:01:06,432 --> 00:01:07,666 promote civility by listening, 32 00:01:07,666 --> 00:01:08,767 being respectful of others, 33 00:01:08,767 --> 00:01:09,969 acknowledging that we are all 34 00:01:09,969 --> 00:01:12,305 striving to support and improve 35 00:01:12,305 --> 00:01:13,840 our community and understanding 36 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,107 that we each may have different 37 00:01:15,107 --> 00:01:16,342 ideas for achieving that 38 00:01:16,342 --> 00:01:18,211 objective. There are no 39 00:01:18,211 --> 00:01:19,545 proclamations or presentations 40 00:01:19,545 --> 00:01:20,346 this evening. 41 00:01:20,346 --> 00:01:21,347 The chair will now entertain a 42 00:01:21,347 --> 00:01:22,348 motion to dispense with the 43 00:01:22,348 --> 00:01:24,517 reading of the minutes of the 44 00:01:24,517 --> 00:01:27,286 December 16, 2025, regular city 45 00:01:27,286 --> 00:01:28,421 council meeting and approve the 46 00:01:28,421 --> 00:01:29,488 minute. So move, We have a 47 00:01:29,488 --> 00:01:31,023 motion and a second any 48 00:01:31,023 --> 00:01:32,559 discussion from the alders. 49 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:33,959 Seeing none, all those in favor 50 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,527 of the motion please say aye, 51 00:01:35,527 --> 00:01:37,029 those opposed, nay. The ayes 52 00:01:37,029 --> 00:01:37,997 have it. The chair will 53 00:01:37,997 --> 00:01:39,365 entertain a motion to 54 00:01:39,365 --> 00:01:40,032 incorporate the pre-council 55 00:01:40,032 --> 00:01:41,033 first reading of ordinances 56 00:01:41,033 --> 00:01:43,002 into the record of this council 57 00:01:43,002 --> 00:01:44,270 meeting. We have a motion and a 58 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:46,138 second. Any discussion from the 59 00:01:46,138 --> 00:01:47,707 alders on first reading? 60 00:01:47,707 --> 00:01:49,074 Seeing none, all those in favor 61 00:01:49,074 --> 00:01:50,609 of the motion please say aye. 62 00:01:50,609 --> 00:01:52,144 Those oppose nay. The eyes have 63 00:01:52,144 --> 00:01:54,013 it. The next item on the agenda 64 00:01:54,013 --> 00:01:55,315 is the consent agenda. The 65 00:01:55,315 --> 00:01:56,415 chair will entertain a motion 66 00:01:56,415 --> 00:01:57,883 to incorporate the pre-council 67 00:01:57,883 --> 00:01:59,151 reading of the consent agenda 68 00:01:59,151 --> 00:02:01,387 into the record of this council 69 00:02:01,387 --> 00:02:02,688 meeting. We have a motion and a 70 00:02:02,688 --> 00:02:04,224 second. Any discussion? 71 00:02:04,224 --> 00:02:05,691 Seeing none, all those in favor 72 00:02:05,691 --> 00:02:07,693 of the motion please say aye. 73 00:02:07,693 --> 00:02:08,494 Those opposed, nay. The eyes 74 00:02:08,494 --> 00:02:09,596 have it. 75 00:02:09,596 --> 00:02:10,596 The chair will entertain a 76 00:02:10,596 --> 00:02:12,531 motion to place the consent 77 00:02:12,531 --> 00:02:14,834 agenda on final passage. The 78 00:02:14,834 --> 00:02:16,836 motion is 2, Alderman Hanauer. 79 00:02:16,836 --> 00:02:18,337 Yes, uh, I would like to make 80 00:02:18,337 --> 00:02:21,174 sure I'm a present vote on uh 81 00:02:21,174 --> 00:02:27,247 2025518, please. 82 00:02:27,247 --> 00:02:28,748 Uh, Alderman Hanauer will be 83 00:02:28,748 --> 00:02:32,318 voting present on 84 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:34,420 Ordinance 2025-518. We're good 85 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:35,889 there? OK. Any other discussion 86 00:02:35,889 --> 00:02:37,089 from the alders on the consent 87 00:02:37,089 --> 00:02:37,857 agenda. 88 00:02:37,857 --> 00:02:39,325 Seeing none, the voting will 89 00:02:39,325 --> 00:02:40,626 now be open. All those in favor 90 00:02:40,626 --> 00:02:41,694 of the motion will vote yes. 91 00:02:41,694 --> 00:02:47,300 All those opposed will vote no. 92 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:48,501 Well, it's 93 00:02:48,501 --> 00:02:50,536 Yes sir 94 00:02:50,536 --> 00:02:52,104 OK. And the motion passes with 95 00:02:52,104 --> 00:02:53,939 8, voting yes, none voting no. 96 00:02:53,939 --> 00:02:55,874 The next item on the agenda, 97 00:02:55,874 --> 00:02:59,712 I'm sorry, agenda items 2025497 98 00:02:59,712 --> 00:03:02,348 and 2025, 499 remain tabled or 99 00:03:02,348 --> 00:03:03,749 in committee at this time. 100 00:03:03,749 --> 00:03:05,718 The next item on the agenda is 101 00:03:05,718 --> 00:03:08,187 2025-527, an ordinance amending 102 00:03:08,187 --> 00:03:11,824 Chapter 90, Section 90.15 of 103 00:03:11,824 --> 00:03:13,426 the 1988 City of Springfield 104 00:03:13,426 --> 00:03:15,194 Code of Ordinances as amended 105 00:03:15,194 --> 00:03:16,295 by adding a new liquor 106 00:03:16,295 --> 00:03:17,630 classification of P. 107 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:18,598 The chair will now entertain a 108 00:03:18,598 --> 00:03:19,265 motion 109 00:03:19,265 --> 00:03:24,170 a motion that we adopt an 110 00:03:24,170 --> 00:03:25,771 amendment number 111 00:03:25,771 --> 00:03:27,440 I guess it's number one. Second. 112 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,876 OK, we have a motion in a 113 00:03:30,876 --> 00:03:32,378 second to adopt Amendment 114 00:03:32,378 --> 00:03:34,413 number 1 on this. God bless you, 115 00:03:34,413 --> 00:03:35,548 on this particular, um, 116 00:03:35,548 --> 00:03:36,649 ordinance, is there any 117 00:03:36,649 --> 00:03:38,117 discussion on the amendment 118 00:03:38,117 --> 00:03:39,318 from the Alders first. Um 119 00:03:39,318 --> 00:03:41,087 sorry. 120 00:03:41,087 --> 00:03:41,955 Older woman kindly of 121 00:03:41,955 --> 00:03:42,622 discussion on the amendment. 122 00:03:42,622 --> 00:03:44,356 Yes, ma'am. Um ma'am ma'am. Um, 123 00:03:44,356 --> 00:03:46,592 I was just wanted to make sure, 124 00:03:46,592 --> 00:03:47,327 um 125 00:03:47,327 --> 00:03:48,728 I, I'm assuming this went 126 00:03:48,728 --> 00:03:49,762 before the liquor commission. I, 127 00:03:49,762 --> 00:03:51,931 we're, we're limiting the sales 128 00:03:51,931 --> 00:03:53,266 to, um 129 00:03:53,266 --> 00:03:55,301 I'm just looking at real 130 00:03:55,301 --> 00:03:56,802 quickly, permanent structures 131 00:03:56,802 --> 00:03:58,304 and mobile units. So basically 132 00:03:58,304 --> 00:03:59,038 anyone 133 00:03:59,038 --> 00:04:00,105 it's, it's, I'm sorry, if, if 134 00:04:00,105 --> 00:04:01,507 we could just have a little, 135 00:04:01,507 --> 00:04:03,943 it's, it's still within the 136 00:04:03,943 --> 00:04:06,379 confines of an air of a sports 137 00:04:06,379 --> 00:04:08,714 park area so there, there can 138 00:04:08,714 --> 00:04:11,350 be mobile units, uh, within 139 00:04:11,350 --> 00:04:12,651 that, within the designated 140 00:04:12,651 --> 00:04:14,821 area, um, but those cannot 141 00:04:14,821 --> 00:04:16,755 leave, so like, like a, like a 142 00:04:16,755 --> 00:04:18,724 cart can be can be put or a 143 00:04:18,724 --> 00:04:20,226 mobile concession stand can be 144 00:04:20,226 --> 00:04:21,460 put out there, but it can't 145 00:04:21,460 --> 00:04:21,961 leave 146 00:04:21,961 --> 00:04:24,330 the premises, which will be the 147 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:25,998 fenced in area as you envision 148 00:04:25,998 --> 00:04:27,433 it. So, like, if, um, if 149 00:04:27,433 --> 00:04:31,637 someone has a food truck that has would that be 150 00:04:31,637 --> 00:04:32,471 something that would be 151 00:04:32,471 --> 00:04:33,639 considered a mobile unit 152 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:35,074 because that leaves after the 153 00:04:35,074 --> 00:04:39,345 end of the day? Um, no, that, would not because one that 154 00:04:39,345 --> 00:04:41,814 wouldn't be allowed into the 155 00:04:41,814 --> 00:04:44,283 licensed premises, um, and then 156 00:04:44,283 --> 00:04:46,485 to that that food truck, no, no 157 00:04:46,485 --> 00:04:47,787 food truck would be eligible 158 00:04:47,787 --> 00:04:49,655 for a Class P license. OK, but 159 00:04:49,655 --> 00:04:50,623 if, if someone owned a food 160 00:04:50,623 --> 00:04:51,924 truck that they set up a booth 161 00:04:51,924 --> 00:04:52,425 there as 162 00:04:52,425 --> 00:04:54,927 a mobile unit 163 00:04:54,927 --> 00:04:56,529 Well, they, they would still 164 00:04:56,529 --> 00:04:59,231 need to be, uh, the, the 165 00:04:59,231 --> 00:05:01,133 licensee would still fall under. 166 00:05:01,233 --> 00:05:02,568 or the alcohol would still be 167 00:05:02,568 --> 00:05:05,571 sold under the class P license, 168 00:05:05,571 --> 00:05:06,906 so the license holder would 169 00:05:06,906 --> 00:05:08,474 need to um 170 00:05:08,474 --> 00:05:09,908 they would need to apply for 171 00:05:09,908 --> 00:05:11,444 that license and I, I don't 172 00:05:11,444 --> 00:05:12,678 believe that's the, that's the 173 00:05:12,678 --> 00:05:13,645 setup that's intended. This 174 00:05:13,645 --> 00:05:16,248 would be for the for the sports 175 00:05:16,248 --> 00:05:18,384 park operator to sell alcohol 176 00:05:18,384 --> 00:05:20,453 within the sports park. That's, kind of what I wanted to 177 00:05:20,453 --> 00:05:21,587 get it. This is, this is really 178 00:05:21,587 --> 00:05:23,055 just intended for the operator 179 00:05:23,055 --> 00:05:24,791 of the sports park. 180 00:05:24,791 --> 00:05:25,891 um, with, with specific limits 181 00:05:25,891 --> 00:05:27,560 on, on how the, the sales can 182 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:28,727 occur. That's correct. OK, 183 00:05:28,727 --> 00:05:30,162 thank you very much. Appreciate 184 00:05:30,162 --> 00:05:31,364 it. Any other discussion, 185 00:05:31,364 --> 00:05:32,130 alderwoman? No, thank you, 186 00:05:32,130 --> 00:05:33,566 Mayor. OK. Any discussion from 187 00:05:33,566 --> 00:05:34,700 any of the other alders on the 188 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:36,469 amendment itself. 189 00:05:36,469 --> 00:05:37,970 OK, so we have a motion and a 190 00:05:37,970 --> 00:05:39,872 second to adopt the amendment. 191 00:05:39,872 --> 00:05:41,373 So I'm gonna just do a voice 192 00:05:41,373 --> 00:05:42,842 vote on the adoption for the 193 00:05:42,842 --> 00:05:44,343 amendment. All those in favor 194 00:05:44,343 --> 00:05:46,712 of the amendment will say aye. 195 00:05:46,712 --> 00:05:48,614 The ICE have the amendment. Now 196 00:05:48,614 --> 00:05:49,882 the chair will entertain a 197 00:05:49,882 --> 00:05:53,352 motion to 198 00:05:53,352 --> 00:05:57,022 uh place 2025-527 as amended on 199 00:05:57,022 --> 00:05:57,490 So move, Mayor. 200 00:05:57,490 --> 00:05:58,991 for, would that be for approval? 201 00:05:58,991 --> 00:06:00,459 Yes. Thank you. We have a 202 00:06:00,459 --> 00:06:03,829 motion in a second to move 203 00:06:03,829 --> 00:06:06,131 2025-527 for approval as 204 00:06:06,131 --> 00:06:08,034 amended. Um, any discussion on 205 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:09,602 the ordinance itself. 206 00:06:09,602 --> 00:06:11,137 seeing none, voting won't, oh, 207 00:06:11,137 --> 00:06:12,538 did someone click their button 208 00:06:12,538 --> 00:06:13,772 for? OK, seeing none the voting 209 00:06:13,772 --> 00:06:14,740 will now be open, all those in 210 00:06:14,740 --> 00:06:15,908 favor of the motion will vote 211 00:06:15,908 --> 00:06:17,175 yes. All those opposed will 212 00:06:17,175 --> 00:06:19,011 vote no. 213 00:06:19,011 --> 00:06:20,546 and the motion passes with 8 214 00:06:20,546 --> 00:06:22,682 voting yes, none voting no. 215 00:06:22,682 --> 00:06:24,683 So, and then there is a 216 00:06:24,683 --> 00:06:25,918 proprietor here that is in the 217 00:06:25,918 --> 00:06:27,152 sports park if anyone wanted to 218 00:06:27,152 --> 00:06:28,087 hear from that person that 219 00:06:28,087 --> 00:06:29,788 supports this. So I think that 220 00:06:29,788 --> 00:06:30,989 everybody's pretty fine with 221 00:06:30,989 --> 00:06:32,291 that. Thank you for being here. 222 00:06:32,291 --> 00:06:36,395 Um, so the chair will now, um, 223 00:06:36,395 --> 00:06:38,330 ask the council, is there any 224 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:39,198 unfinished business to bring 225 00:06:39,198 --> 00:06:41,501 forward. 226 00:06:41,501 --> 00:06:43,068 Any alders have any unfinished 227 00:06:43,068 --> 00:06:44,637 business? 228 00:06:44,637 --> 00:06:46,105 Alderman Gregory, ma'am, um, I 229 00:06:46,105 --> 00:06:50,543 guess this will be, um. 230 00:06:50,543 --> 00:06:53,512 unfinished and new, um, so, so 231 00:06:53,512 --> 00:06:56,248 in our cannabis grants, um, 232 00:06:56,248 --> 00:06:57,783 contracts it it has come to my 233 00:06:57,783 --> 00:06:59,285 attention that we have some 234 00:06:59,285 --> 00:07:02,688 language in there, um, about 235 00:07:02,688 --> 00:07:05,357 felons and um About what sorry 236 00:07:05,357 --> 00:07:07,492 about felons felons. I'm sorry 237 00:07:07,492 --> 00:07:08,894 I didn't hear what you said and 238 00:07:08,894 --> 00:07:11,831 you know, which is 239 00:07:11,831 --> 00:07:13,799 sort of crazy because you know 240 00:07:13,799 --> 00:07:15,734 the whole cannabis law was to 241 00:07:15,734 --> 00:07:16,302 address 242 00:07:16,302 --> 00:07:17,737 um 243 00:07:17,737 --> 00:07:20,540 the harm by the war on drugs. 244 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:22,908 Um, 500 g or less, that would 245 00:07:22,908 --> 00:07:26,078 be a, a felony um. 246 00:07:26,078 --> 00:07:27,913 a lot of records was expunged 247 00:07:27,913 --> 00:07:29,848 from, from, from corporation 248 00:07:29,848 --> 00:07:31,050 council before. 249 00:07:31,050 --> 00:07:32,885 So, so to have that language in 250 00:07:32,885 --> 00:07:36,956 there, um, not that we, we've held that 251 00:07:36,956 --> 00:07:40,793 but it's troubling to, to, to, have that because it does 252 00:07:40,793 --> 00:07:44,229 scare others off when, when, they see those agreements 253 00:07:44,229 --> 00:07:46,565 and and you you know with this 254 00:07:46,565 --> 00:07:47,700 whole cannabis thing there, you 255 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:50,369 know. 256 00:07:50,369 --> 00:07:53,439 some of these grantees that they've gone out and 257 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,075 they've taken loans. 258 00:07:56,075 --> 00:07:58,477 some up to $100,000 259 00:07:58,477 --> 00:07:59,946 That's another barrier 260 00:07:59,946 --> 00:08:00,947 but 261 00:08:00,947 --> 00:08:02,514 heck of a job going to do that 262 00:08:02,514 --> 00:08:03,716 to try to try to do something 263 00:08:03,716 --> 00:08:05,184 like that. 264 00:08:05,184 --> 00:08:06,785 So what are you asking for, so 265 00:08:06,785 --> 00:08:08,020 then I'm not, I'm, just hear me 266 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:09,989 out. OK. 267 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:14,026 Then we go on and we're we're calling their vendors 268 00:08:14,026 --> 00:08:17,830 they have to um um 269 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:19,331 show their bank accounts. I 270 00:08:19,331 --> 00:08:21,300 mean it, it, it just seems like 271 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:23,069 the standard. 272 00:08:23,069 --> 00:08:24,870 for this particular fund. 273 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:26,839 is, is just so high and and it 274 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:29,875 doesn't need to be, um, I did 275 00:08:29,875 --> 00:08:31,276 look into many of the rules, 276 00:08:31,276 --> 00:08:33,579 the, the, the state. 277 00:08:33,579 --> 00:08:36,348 The, the law, um, that that's 278 00:08:36,348 --> 00:08:38,250 quoted in this section is about 279 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:39,885 um 280 00:08:39,885 --> 00:08:41,119 procurement and contracts and 281 00:08:41,119 --> 00:08:43,189 bids with the state. 282 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:45,124 um, it has nothing to do with 283 00:08:45,124 --> 00:08:46,625 local cannabis tax sales and 284 00:08:46,625 --> 00:08:48,394 what we do with those funds. 285 00:08:48,394 --> 00:08:50,062 um 286 00:08:50,062 --> 00:08:51,664 in fact there is no state law 287 00:08:51,664 --> 00:08:53,499 that prohibits. 288 00:08:53,499 --> 00:08:55,400 a felon from getting a grant. 289 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,436 Um, there, there's some things, 290 00:08:57,436 --> 00:08:58,837 um, on the federal level for 291 00:08:58,837 --> 00:09:00,405 three things of that nature 292 00:09:00,405 --> 00:09:01,974 that disqualify them from from 293 00:09:01,974 --> 00:09:03,942 getting a grant through an 294 00:09:03,942 --> 00:09:05,244 organization um 295 00:09:05,244 --> 00:09:07,213 so, so that's troubling so 296 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:08,914 what I have asked is, is, is 297 00:09:08,914 --> 00:09:10,215 that we look at that language 298 00:09:10,215 --> 00:09:12,618 and we take that language out. 299 00:09:12,618 --> 00:09:14,253 um of that uh you know, I don't 300 00:09:14,253 --> 00:09:15,454 care how long it's been there, 301 00:09:15,454 --> 00:09:17,522 maybe it's been there for, 302 00:09:17,522 --> 00:09:18,957 since the first mayor. I, I 303 00:09:18,957 --> 00:09:21,827 don't know, but, um 304 00:09:21,827 --> 00:09:24,830 it's troubling 305 00:09:24,830 --> 00:09:26,866 So your request is to look at 306 00:09:26,866 --> 00:09:29,702 the way the grant was set up. 307 00:09:29,702 --> 00:09:31,370 originally. I, we never, I know 308 00:09:31,370 --> 00:09:33,472 that's not in the ordinance. 309 00:09:33,472 --> 00:09:36,142 that's something that was done 310 00:09:36,142 --> 00:09:38,511 once it leaves the council. 311 00:09:38,511 --> 00:09:40,479 OK, I'll get with the economic 312 00:09:40,479 --> 00:09:41,647 government director, we'll have 313 00:09:41,647 --> 00:09:42,948 someone follow up with you. Um, 314 00:09:42,948 --> 00:09:45,084 but, but, you know, so not only 315 00:09:45,084 --> 00:09:48,621 that though mayor, but you know 316 00:09:48,621 --> 00:09:50,823 if 317 00:09:50,823 --> 00:09:52,892 these grantees are gonna be 318 00:09:52,892 --> 00:09:54,326 going through all of this, then 319 00:09:54,326 --> 00:09:55,894 I would ask that the same be 320 00:09:55,894 --> 00:09:57,730 for all. 321 00:09:57,730 --> 00:09:59,699 when we pay anybody. 322 00:09:59,699 --> 00:10:02,167 they would have to show their 323 00:10:02,167 --> 00:10:03,902 bank receipts we should call 324 00:10:03,902 --> 00:10:05,337 their vendors 325 00:10:05,337 --> 00:10:06,806 check up on them. We should 326 00:10:06,806 --> 00:10:08,107 treat everybody the same you'd 327 00:10:08,107 --> 00:10:09,041 like to have a meeting on 328 00:10:09,041 --> 00:10:11,410 grants, we can, but a lot of 329 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:12,878 our grants are reimbursable, 330 00:10:12,878 --> 00:10:14,046 and we have to have proof that 331 00:10:14,046 --> 00:10:14,913 they've paid it if it's a 332 00:10:14,913 --> 00:10:16,314 reimbursement, sir. Right. But 333 00:10:16,314 --> 00:10:19,051 this is not, this is a cannabis 334 00:10:19,051 --> 00:10:19,751 but you were just comparing it 335 00:10:19,751 --> 00:10:21,153 to other grants. I, I know, so 336 00:10:21,153 --> 00:10:21,987 that's even worse because we're 337 00:10:21,987 --> 00:10:23,055 not, we're not, we're not doing 338 00:10:23,055 --> 00:10:26,959 that to them, we're not when we pay the sports complex 339 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:28,894 $4 million. We didn't say, hey, 340 00:10:28,894 --> 00:10:30,262 send me your bank account and 341 00:10:30,262 --> 00:10:31,997 show me that you paid $4 342 00:10:31,997 --> 00:10:33,331 million for the work that we're 343 00:10:33,331 --> 00:10:34,900 about to reimburse you back. We 344 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:37,670 didn't call. 345 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:39,604 the uh uh 346 00:10:39,604 --> 00:10:40,339 turf 347 00:10:40,339 --> 00:10:41,874 vendor 348 00:10:41,874 --> 00:10:44,042 and make sure that that's not a 349 00:10:44,042 --> 00:10:45,344 grant, it grant, it, it doesn't 350 00:10:45,344 --> 00:10:52,151 matter. It's just the, the, the, payments, this is, a uh uh uh. 351 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:54,586 fun grants or about payments in 352 00:10:54,586 --> 00:10:55,454 general? No, it's just about 353 00:10:55,454 --> 00:10:57,489 how we, how we're doing things 354 00:10:57,489 --> 00:10:59,892 as a um administration mayor 355 00:10:59,892 --> 00:11:02,127 and it just appears because we 356 00:11:02,127 --> 00:11:03,462 always deal with we always have 357 00:11:03,462 --> 00:11:05,230 to call and get involved that 358 00:11:05,230 --> 00:11:07,232 after it leaves this council 359 00:11:07,232 --> 00:11:09,068 that any fund 360 00:11:09,068 --> 00:11:11,804 that we get has to go through 361 00:11:11,804 --> 00:11:14,039 over here on the east side 362 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:16,242 anyway has to go through so 363 00:11:16,242 --> 00:11:18,711 many steps, so many steps and 364 00:11:18,711 --> 00:11:21,046 it's just unfair to do that. So 365 00:11:21,046 --> 00:11:22,380 can you please define what 366 00:11:22,380 --> 00:11:23,415 you're asking. 367 00:11:23,415 --> 00:11:25,518 So, 368 00:11:25,518 --> 00:11:29,121 break down the barriers that you've set up take out 369 00:11:29,121 --> 00:11:31,991 this this felony thing 370 00:11:31,991 --> 00:11:33,425 pay the contractors directly. 371 00:11:33,425 --> 00:11:34,593 Do, do some of the things that 372 00:11:34,593 --> 00:11:36,328 we need that we need to do to 373 00:11:36,328 --> 00:11:37,763 get the fun this administration 374 00:11:37,763 --> 00:11:38,497 set up anything that's 375 00:11:38,497 --> 00:11:39,798 different. I will check with 376 00:11:39,798 --> 00:11:40,766 the Economic Development 377 00:11:40,766 --> 00:11:41,700 director on your cannabis 378 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:43,802 grants. But we will still 379 00:11:43,802 --> 00:11:45,270 follow grant regulations and 380 00:11:45,270 --> 00:11:46,572 laws with federal and state 381 00:11:46,572 --> 00:11:47,339 grants. This administration 382 00:11:47,339 --> 00:11:48,507 will follow, so this is what I 383 00:11:48,507 --> 00:11:49,842 want to do because this system 384 00:11:49,842 --> 00:11:51,076 in general and how we do things 385 00:11:51,076 --> 00:11:53,212 is very old is very outdated so 386 00:11:53,212 --> 00:11:54,312 this is what I wanna doordo. 387 00:11:54,312 --> 00:11:56,882 There's a, I, I have drafted an 388 00:11:56,882 --> 00:11:58,317 ordinance and it's called it's 389 00:11:58,317 --> 00:11:59,551 a commission that we that we 390 00:11:59,551 --> 00:12:01,320 need to put together to look at 391 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,622 everything and it's gonna be 392 00:12:03,622 --> 00:12:06,358 called the 1908 race riot 393 00:12:06,358 --> 00:12:07,826 repair commission and this 394 00:12:07,826 --> 00:12:09,361 commission is gonna be designed 395 00:12:09,361 --> 00:12:10,495 just like all of our other 396 00:12:10,495 --> 00:12:11,997 commissions to look at our 397 00:12:11,997 --> 00:12:13,498 systems of where we can do 398 00:12:13,498 --> 00:12:15,267 better at. 399 00:12:15,267 --> 00:12:17,703 because here we are, got a 400 00:12:17,703 --> 00:12:19,004 grant that has some language in 401 00:12:19,004 --> 00:12:26,512 there that is a clear barrier. 402 00:12:26,512 --> 00:12:28,981 post to help the, the, the, the 403 00:12:28,981 --> 00:12:29,948 community and uplift the 404 00:12:29,948 --> 00:12:32,051 community. 405 00:12:32,051 --> 00:12:34,119 We talk about felons, the only 406 00:12:34,119 --> 00:12:35,520 place that many times when I 407 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:36,688 get the call from a fellow that 408 00:12:36,688 --> 00:12:38,323 we can send them is to a 409 00:12:38,323 --> 00:12:40,058 to the laborers, to a union 410 00:12:40,058 --> 00:12:41,660 contractor. 411 00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:43,328 So that same person can't come 412 00:12:43,328 --> 00:12:44,229 work. 413 00:12:44,229 --> 00:12:45,931 on a project in this community 414 00:12:45,931 --> 00:12:48,534 with under this language. 415 00:12:48,534 --> 00:12:51,436 or, or, or hold a business or 416 00:12:51,436 --> 00:12:57,476 qualify for this grant. 417 00:12:57,476 --> 00:12:58,977 so we need things like this 418 00:12:58,977 --> 00:13:03,415 because 419 00:13:03,415 --> 00:13:06,151 if we're serious about 420 00:13:06,151 --> 00:13:07,152 equality and making sure things 421 00:13:07,152 --> 00:13:10,522 are equal 422 00:13:10,522 --> 00:13:12,591 then when we see barriers we 423 00:13:12,591 --> 00:13:15,294 fix them. 424 00:13:15,294 --> 00:13:17,429 but I can't, I, I, I it is 425 00:13:17,429 --> 00:13:19,831 selfish for me to think that 426 00:13:19,831 --> 00:13:21,533 anybody else can understand how 427 00:13:21,533 --> 00:13:22,534 I feel, right? 428 00:13:22,534 --> 00:13:24,103 Or how people 429 00:13:24,103 --> 00:13:28,207 who look like me feel 430 00:13:28,207 --> 00:13:30,175 So that's why we need a 431 00:13:30,175 --> 00:13:31,243 commission like this to put 432 00:13:31,243 --> 00:13:33,078 more eyes on our systems to 433 00:13:33,078 --> 00:13:35,114 help them get better so we can 434 00:13:35,114 --> 00:13:36,515 be better so our communities 435 00:13:36,515 --> 00:13:38,284 can grow. 436 00:13:38,284 --> 00:13:40,652 because if we can get that 437 00:13:40,652 --> 00:13:42,054 community growing and if we can 438 00:13:42,054 --> 00:13:43,255 make it 439 00:13:43,255 --> 00:13:45,824 easier and accessible for that 440 00:13:45,824 --> 00:13:47,159 community then everybody we've 441 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:48,293 heard the rumors right it's 442 00:13:48,293 --> 00:13:49,094 hard to do business in 443 00:13:49,094 --> 00:13:51,997 Springfield if we can, if we 444 00:13:51,997 --> 00:13:53,632 can get this portion of our 445 00:13:53,632 --> 00:13:55,634 city together 446 00:13:55,634 --> 00:13:56,601 everything else gonna be 447 00:13:56,601 --> 00:13:57,770 beautiful. 448 00:13:57,770 --> 00:13:59,305 even more easier 449 00:13:59,305 --> 00:14:03,275 than what it is right now 450 00:14:03,275 --> 00:14:04,476 The contractors when they go, 451 00:14:04,476 --> 00:14:07,279 they, they tell some of these people, 452 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:08,347 yeah, we. 453 00:14:08,347 --> 00:14:10,682 don't go through this 454 00:14:10,682 --> 00:14:12,718 sometimes on other projects. 455 00:14:12,718 --> 00:14:13,919 because they don't 456 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:15,321 and we know they don't 457 00:14:15,321 --> 00:14:17,922 Next week when, when, when 458 00:14:17,922 --> 00:14:19,592 Broaden and the other company 459 00:14:19,592 --> 00:14:22,027 want their $100,000 for for 460 00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:22,794 that thing. 461 00:14:22,794 --> 00:14:24,162 for their for their snow uh 462 00:14:24,162 --> 00:14:25,130 removal? 463 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:27,099 bank statements 464 00:14:27,099 --> 00:14:28,167 showing that they paid all 465 00:14:28,167 --> 00:14:28,967 their employees they got the 466 00:14:28,967 --> 00:14:31,870 money to do it. 467 00:14:31,870 --> 00:14:34,439 Call one of the guys and make sure they got 468 00:14:34,439 --> 00:14:35,374 paid. 469 00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:36,341 That's what we should do 470 00:14:36,341 --> 00:14:37,175 because that's what we're doing 471 00:14:37,175 --> 00:14:42,848 to our people. 472 00:14:42,848 --> 00:14:45,818 so 473 00:14:45,818 --> 00:14:47,418 you know, we read that pledge 474 00:14:47,418 --> 00:14:50,255 every day civility, civility, 475 00:14:50,255 --> 00:14:51,389 you know there's another piece 476 00:14:51,389 --> 00:14:52,524 of me that wanna act a 477 00:14:52,524 --> 00:14:54,193 different way. 478 00:14:54,193 --> 00:14:57,195 but really I, I just want our 479 00:14:57,195 --> 00:14:59,097 community to be better. I just 480 00:14:59,097 --> 00:15:01,967 want for others to get a chance. 481 00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:05,404 that's it 482 00:15:05,404 --> 00:15:07,839 and I have to let all of y'all 483 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:08,807 know this because this is a 484 00:15:08,807 --> 00:15:10,008 serious topic. 485 00:15:10,008 --> 00:15:11,943 and if we truly truly care 486 00:15:11,943 --> 00:15:14,046 about making our city better. 487 00:15:14,046 --> 00:15:16,014 you guys should know about 488 00:15:16,014 --> 00:15:17,048 things like this because I'm 489 00:15:17,048 --> 00:15:18,150 gonna come up here and always 490 00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:20,152 talk about it. 491 00:15:20,152 --> 00:15:21,386 Roy, Keesha always gonna come 492 00:15:21,386 --> 00:15:25,724 up here and talk about it. 493 00:15:25,724 --> 00:15:26,925 but some of the people in this 494 00:15:26,925 --> 00:15:29,595 room that I respect. 495 00:15:29,595 --> 00:15:31,363 when y'all gonna stand up 496 00:15:31,363 --> 00:15:33,966 Politics aside 497 00:15:33,966 --> 00:15:35,500 and be like, no this is wrong, 498 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:36,735 we need to get the money out 499 00:15:36,735 --> 00:15:38,070 quicker. 500 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:39,404 We need to fix whatever is 501 00:15:39,404 --> 00:15:44,777 broken. 502 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:46,745 That's what we need as a 503 00:15:46,745 --> 00:15:47,913 community for other people to 504 00:15:47,913 --> 00:15:49,181 step up. 505 00:15:49,181 --> 00:15:50,448 or else it look like I'm just 506 00:15:50,448 --> 00:15:54,820 clowning. 507 00:15:54,820 --> 00:15:56,321 but the truth is those things 508 00:15:56,321 --> 00:15:58,857 was wrong. 509 00:15:58,857 --> 00:16:00,392 and no we don't like coming up 510 00:16:00,392 --> 00:16:01,760 here talking about this all the 511 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,094 time. No to ain't all your 512 00:16:03,094 --> 00:16:04,630 fault, mayor. 513 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,098 but this system 514 00:16:06,098 --> 00:16:07,332 sucks 515 00:16:07,332 --> 00:16:12,271 for us 516 00:16:12,271 --> 00:16:15,374 It really truly does. 517 00:16:15,374 --> 00:16:16,774 Thank you. Thank you. Older 518 00:16:16,774 --> 00:16:18,544 woman Notriano. 519 00:16:18,544 --> 00:16:21,413 Thank you, Mayor. Um, so, 520 00:16:21,413 --> 00:16:24,550 this 521 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:25,984 I wasn't going to say anything. 522 00:16:25,984 --> 00:16:27,285 I didn't know, uh, Alderman 523 00:16:27,285 --> 00:16:31,323 Gregory was gonna bring this up, 524 00:16:31,323 --> 00:16:33,458 um, but I would absolutely 525 00:16:33,458 --> 00:16:35,193 support a commission like that, 526 00:16:35,193 --> 00:16:37,196 um, I think that 527 00:16:37,196 --> 00:16:39,397 yeah, but of course, you know, 528 00:16:39,397 --> 00:16:42,367 we, we should, um, be making 529 00:16:42,367 --> 00:16:44,236 sure that all of our programs 530 00:16:44,236 --> 00:16:47,472 are equitable, um, based on who 531 00:16:47,472 --> 00:16:51,343 the target, uh, audiences, so I 532 00:16:51,343 --> 00:16:52,644 support that. I would only 533 00:16:52,644 --> 00:16:53,812 suggest that 534 00:16:53,812 --> 00:16:55,213 if there's a way that we can 535 00:16:55,213 --> 00:16:56,515 create this commission to where 536 00:16:56,515 --> 00:16:58,082 it's controlled by the council, 537 00:16:58,082 --> 00:16:59,218 um 538 00:16:59,218 --> 00:17:01,887 that would be even better, um 539 00:17:01,887 --> 00:17:03,422 so. 540 00:17:03,422 --> 00:17:06,358 uh, but what I was gonna say is 541 00:17:06,358 --> 00:17:09,361 sort of related to, to what, um, 542 00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:11,196 you're talking about so y'all 543 00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:12,831 remember a couple of meetings 544 00:17:12,831 --> 00:17:17,336 ago we, um 545 00:17:17,336 --> 00:17:20,605 uh, passed funding and award to 546 00:17:20,605 --> 00:17:22,741 uh a resident of mine who lives 547 00:17:22,741 --> 00:17:24,910 in the 1600 block of, uh, South 548 00:17:24,910 --> 00:17:27,345 Pass Field for exterior home 549 00:17:27,345 --> 00:17:30,149 improvements. He had, um 550 00:17:30,149 --> 00:17:33,985 a water line that was broken, 551 00:17:33,985 --> 00:17:35,720 um, and he's been unemployed 552 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,356 for a while, and, um, he lives 553 00:17:38,356 --> 00:17:41,259 in the house. He owns the house, 554 00:17:41,259 --> 00:17:43,261 and so he definitely qualifies 555 00:17:43,261 --> 00:17:44,696 for the program, um, he thought 556 00:17:44,696 --> 00:17:47,099 he was going to get paid by 557 00:17:47,099 --> 00:17:49,634 CLBLP because they also had to 558 00:17:49,634 --> 00:17:52,003 do some work related to the 559 00:17:52,003 --> 00:17:54,739 lead line, um, but that didn't 560 00:17:54,739 --> 00:17:55,940 happen, that didn't turn out. 561 00:17:55,940 --> 00:17:58,243 And so he came to me asking, um, 562 00:17:58,243 --> 00:18:00,078 for us to, uh 563 00:18:00,078 --> 00:18:02,113 at least pitch in and, and, you 564 00:18:02,113 --> 00:18:03,481 know, reimburse them for half 565 00:18:03,481 --> 00:18:05,416 of the work that was done, and 566 00:18:05,416 --> 00:18:09,254 we did that and when I asked 567 00:18:09,254 --> 00:18:11,189 for um for us to write 568 00:18:11,189 --> 00:18:13,391 something up, um, to reimburse 569 00:18:13,391 --> 00:18:17,362 them. I had asked that there be 570 00:18:17,362 --> 00:18:19,364 no stipulations, no clawback, 571 00:18:19,364 --> 00:18:20,899 no anything like that, um, and 572 00:18:20,899 --> 00:18:22,934 unfortunately that was left out, 573 00:18:22,934 --> 00:18:27,238 and he has been asked to sign a 574 00:18:27,238 --> 00:18:29,707 5-year clawback agreement, um, 575 00:18:29,707 --> 00:18:31,576 and I just think that in this 576 00:18:31,576 --> 00:18:34,012 circumstance, uh, he should not 577 00:18:34,012 --> 00:18:38,149 have to do that, and um, simply 578 00:18:38,149 --> 00:18:38,450 because 579 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:40,586 you know, this him replacing 580 00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:42,020 his water line was something he 581 00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:43,254 had to do to keep the house 582 00:18:43,254 --> 00:18:47,091 livable, and it will in no way, 583 00:18:47,091 --> 00:18:48,893 um, benefit him when he goes to 584 00:18:48,893 --> 00:18:51,896 sell this home, so, uh, I 585 00:18:51,896 --> 00:18:53,832 understand the intention of the 586 00:18:53,832 --> 00:18:55,433 five-year clawback, uh, as 587 00:18:55,433 --> 00:18:57,902 written, but, um, this. 588 00:18:57,902 --> 00:19:00,371 case just really doesn't apply, 589 00:19:00,371 --> 00:19:03,241 um, so I hope, uh, in the 590 00:19:03,241 --> 00:19:05,910 coming weeks we'll see that 591 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:08,079 revisited with a new ordinance, 592 00:19:08,079 --> 00:19:10,515 um, to get him this money and 593 00:19:10,515 --> 00:19:12,550 not have any stipulations on it, 594 00:19:12,550 --> 00:19:14,853 so, um, wanted to let you all 595 00:19:14,853 --> 00:19:17,789 know that that was coming and 596 00:19:17,789 --> 00:19:20,325 to again request your support, 597 00:19:20,325 --> 00:19:21,960 um, thank you, thank you. Any 598 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,295 excuse me, any other unfinished 599 00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:24,663 business from any of the alders. 600 00:19:24,663 --> 00:19:25,630 Let the record show that Alder 601 00:19:25,630 --> 00:19:26,331 woman purchase has joined us 602 00:19:26,331 --> 00:19:27,399 too. Welcome old 603 00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:29,534 er woman. Um, any new business 604 00:19:29,534 --> 00:19:30,835 then since we're done with 605 00:19:30,835 --> 00:19:31,970 unfinished business, any new 606 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:33,171 business to come before the 607 00:19:33,171 --> 00:19:35,007 council. 608 00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:36,742 Seeing none. Oh, Alderwoman 609 00:19:36,742 --> 00:19:38,142 Connolly. You, you are getting 610 00:19:38,142 --> 00:19:39,945 faster than me these days. 611 00:19:39,945 --> 00:19:42,113 Um, mine is, is, is minor, um, 612 00:19:42,113 --> 00:19:43,381 in, in some ways compared to 613 00:19:43,381 --> 00:19:45,883 the other topics so far, but, 614 00:19:45,883 --> 00:19:47,352 um, just wanna, and I, I'm 615 00:19:47,352 --> 00:19:48,319 assuming Director Fuchs is in 616 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,123 the room, um, continue to get 617 00:19:52,123 --> 00:19:54,526 complaints of about garbage 618 00:19:54,526 --> 00:19:57,362 that comes out of waste haulers 619 00:19:57,362 --> 00:19:59,764 and or the last one was from 620 00:19:59,764 --> 00:20:01,900 the Coymill area, recycling, um, 621 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:02,901 you know, I got a picture today 622 00:20:02,901 --> 00:20:04,235 and I'll, I'll share this with 623 00:20:04,235 --> 00:20:06,171 the director, but of what 624 00:20:06,171 --> 00:20:07,605 really looks like recycling 625 00:20:07,605 --> 00:20:08,774 that was just, you know, it, it 626 00:20:08,774 --> 00:20:09,808 blows out, it's on the side of 627 00:20:09,808 --> 00:20:10,408 the 628 00:20:10,408 --> 00:20:11,576 road. Coie Mill's a busy road. 629 00:20:11,576 --> 00:20:14,412 We do get a lot of, I think, 630 00:20:14,412 --> 00:20:16,414 window fly dumping on that road, 631 00:20:16,414 --> 00:20:18,249 but it would be nice, um, just 632 00:20:18,249 --> 00:20:22,253 kind of reach out to the, the, waste haulers, um, 633 00:20:22,253 --> 00:20:23,288 especially the ones with, you 634 00:20:23,288 --> 00:20:24,623 know, the Republic has the big 635 00:20:24,623 --> 00:20:27,492 arm. I, I know, um, they're the 636 00:20:27,492 --> 00:20:29,394 ones who have it to make sure 637 00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:31,329 that they're, they're, they're 638 00:20:31,329 --> 00:20:33,798 watching when, when they're, doing the dumping, 639 00:20:33,798 --> 00:20:35,734 and it goes into the truck and 640 00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:36,868 not blowing around the 641 00:20:36,868 --> 00:20:38,003 neighborhoods, um, you know, 642 00:20:38,003 --> 00:20:39,104 we've 643 00:20:39,104 --> 00:20:40,305 Oli and Gregory, I, I can't 644 00:20:40,305 --> 00:20:41,539 imagine how many times we've 645 00:20:41,539 --> 00:20:42,540 talked about fly dumping. We 646 00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:43,507 certainly don't want our 647 00:20:43,507 --> 00:20:44,542 garbage trucks to be part of 648 00:20:44,542 --> 00:20:46,544 the fly dumping, even 649 00:20:46,544 --> 00:20:47,845 inadvertently, which I know 650 00:20:47,845 --> 00:20:48,814 they're, I know they're not 651 00:20:48,814 --> 00:20:49,448 doing it deliberately, but 652 00:20:49,448 --> 00:20:50,415 inadvertently, we are seeing 653 00:20:50,415 --> 00:20:52,317 this and, and Coki Mill is such 654 00:20:52,317 --> 00:20:54,086 a busy road, it's just one 655 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:55,220 example. I've seen this in 656 00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:57,155 other neighborhoods too, so, um, 657 00:20:57,155 --> 00:20:58,456 I'll be getting that email out 658 00:20:58,456 --> 00:21:00,492 to the director, but, um, if 659 00:21:00,492 --> 00:21:01,526 anyone else has examples of it 660 00:21:01,526 --> 00:21:02,827 and just want to make, you know, 661 00:21:02,827 --> 00:21:03,629 share those with the director 662 00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,897 Fuchs. I, I know it's not 663 00:21:05,897 --> 00:21:07,165 limited to just one ward where 664 00:21:07,165 --> 00:21:08,433 those, those big armed trucks 665 00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:09,101 can 666 00:21:09,101 --> 00:21:10,235 create some garbage. Director 667 00:21:10,235 --> 00:21:11,202 is here and he can have 668 00:21:11,202 --> 00:21:12,404 Christina call and check on 669 00:21:12,404 --> 00:21:13,071 that. Thank you very much. 670 00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:15,039 Thank you, Mayor. That's all. 671 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:17,242 Alderman Rockford. Yes, so 672 00:21:17,242 --> 00:21:21,346 director Fuchs, um. 673 00:21:21,346 --> 00:21:28,653 sit 674 00:21:28,653 --> 00:21:32,123 my, my question is, in, in 675 00:21:32,123 --> 00:21:33,391 corporation council maybe sorry, 676 00:21:33,391 --> 00:21:34,459 Davy may not even had to come 677 00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,294 up, but what's, what's the 678 00:21:36,294 --> 00:21:38,897 rules on these, these garbage 679 00:21:38,897 --> 00:21:40,331 cans when they dump these cans 680 00:21:40,331 --> 00:21:41,432 and they leave them in the 681 00:21:41,432 --> 00:21:42,801 roads, is there, is there an 682 00:21:42,801 --> 00:21:45,670 ordinance? Is the rules that, that these things things 683 00:21:45,670 --> 00:21:47,672 have to be taken out of the 684 00:21:47,672 --> 00:21:49,641 street by the resident or I 685 00:21:49,641 --> 00:21:50,809 mean they're not, they're not 686 00:21:50,809 --> 00:21:52,477 supposed to be on the uh in on 687 00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:53,812 the pavement in the street, no, 688 00:21:53,812 --> 00:21:55,914 sir. OK, so it, it, they're on 689 00:21:55,914 --> 00:21:59,184 the street. So my question is, do we have an ordin 690 00:21:59,184 --> 00:22:01,619 ance in, in, in, sorry that I 691 00:22:01,619 --> 00:22:03,087 haven't investigated it, but I 692 00:22:03,087 --> 00:22:05,957 got a couple calls over the 693 00:22:05,957 --> 00:22:07,492 weekend about 40 garbage, you 694 00:22:07,492 --> 00:22:09,194 know, cans in the streets and 695 00:22:09,194 --> 00:22:11,329 looks like, you know what and 696 00:22:11,329 --> 00:22:13,731 so my question is, is we've, we, 697 00:22:13,731 --> 00:22:15,700 we've had people get tickets 698 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:16,734 for not shoveling their 699 00:22:16,734 --> 00:22:17,836 sidewalks. 700 00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:19,704 OK, my question is, do we 701 00:22:19,704 --> 00:22:21,172 ticket people for not taking 702 00:22:21,172 --> 00:22:22,240 their garbage cans or or is 703 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,975 that even on the books? 704 00:22:23,975 --> 00:22:27,445 Do we know the garbage, the, the garbage cans in the 705 00:22:27,445 --> 00:22:29,814 streets, you know, I know it's, just common 706 00:22:29,814 --> 00:22:30,915 courtesy to you when your 707 00:22:30,915 --> 00:22:32,250 garbage is dumped to go get 708 00:22:32,250 --> 00:22:34,219 your cans and even move them on 709 00:22:34,219 --> 00:22:36,654 the the boulevard, you know, 710 00:22:36,654 --> 00:22:38,189 but again, you know, even 711 00:22:38,189 --> 00:22:39,424 during the snows when the cans 712 00:22:39,424 --> 00:22:40,826 were sitting out in the road, 713 00:22:40,826 --> 00:22:42,527 you know, the, the, the plow 714 00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:44,428 trucks have to go around them, 715 00:22:44,428 --> 00:22:45,830 uh, because you are on the main 716 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:46,831 drags too, Loving Street, 717 00:22:46,831 --> 00:22:47,932 Converse, and I'm just giving 718 00:22:47,932 --> 00:22:50,234 you a couple in the North end, 719 00:22:50,234 --> 00:22:51,736 but they are sitting in the 720 00:22:51,736 --> 00:22:52,937 streets and they become an 721 00:22:52,937 --> 00:22:53,805 obstacle, you know, either 722 00:22:53,805 --> 00:22:54,172 they're lay 723 00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:55,340 ing down the, the high winds 724 00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:56,407 the other day would knocked 725 00:22:56,407 --> 00:22:58,142 cans down. There's garbage all 726 00:22:58,142 --> 00:22:59,878 over and, and not 727 00:22:59,878 --> 00:23:01,846 I know that the the garbage men 728 00:23:01,846 --> 00:23:05,450 have a hard time keeping the, garbage in their trucks, 729 00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:06,918 but again, you know, is there a 730 00:23:06,918 --> 00:23:09,120 rule or is there an ordinance 731 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,688 stating that these things have 732 00:23:10,688 --> 00:23:13,091 to be pushed back to the house 733 00:23:13,091 --> 00:23:14,825 or to the, yes, I can send you, 734 00:23:14,825 --> 00:23:15,860 I, I can send you that 735 00:23:15,860 --> 00:23:16,761 ordinance. I don't have it off 736 00:23:16,761 --> 00:23:18,930 the top of my head, but the 737 00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:20,899 property owner is responsible 738 00:23:20,899 --> 00:23:22,467 for ensuring the cans are 739 00:23:22,467 --> 00:23:24,201 brought back up to the house, 740 00:23:24,201 --> 00:23:25,870 um, I will also inquire with 741 00:23:25,870 --> 00:23:27,639 code enforcement to see if we 742 00:23:27,639 --> 00:23:29,841 ever have written a ticket or a 743 00:23:29,841 --> 00:23:30,842 complaint on that. I'm, I'm 744 00:23:30,842 --> 00:23:31,009 just 745 00:23:31,009 --> 00:23:31,676 not sure, but I can get you 746 00:23:31,676 --> 00:23:34,412 that information, you know, and, again, um. 747 00:23:34,412 --> 00:23:36,381 looking back, you know, in 748 00:23:36,381 --> 00:23:38,049 years back, you know, the, the 749 00:23:38,049 --> 00:23:39,284 trucks went up and down the 750 00:23:39,284 --> 00:23:40,551 alleys, and they picked up your 751 00:23:40,551 --> 00:23:42,220 garbage. I know on the west 752 00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:43,454 side with no alleys and that 753 00:23:43,454 --> 00:23:45,123 kind of stuff, you, you gotta 754 00:23:45,123 --> 00:23:46,991 make your, uh, pick and choose 755 00:23:46,991 --> 00:23:48,493 what you do, but, but I just 756 00:23:48,493 --> 00:23:49,961 don't understand 757 00:23:49,961 --> 00:23:52,764 we've moved everything out, we, we've had the waste haulers 758 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:53,932 up there talking about our 759 00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:55,099 trucks got bigger. We didn't 760 00:23:55,099 --> 00:23:56,801 ask them to make bigger trucks. 761 00:23:56,801 --> 00:23:57,668 It's easier for them, but you 762 00:23:57,668 --> 00:23:58,903 know, now our roads are getting 763 00:23:58,903 --> 00:24:00,605 tore up. We leave garbage cans 764 00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:01,739 in the street. It's common 765 00:24:01,739 --> 00:24:03,541 courtesy for the, the resident 766 00:24:03,541 --> 00:24:05,510 or the or the person that's 767 00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:06,778 renting to drag him up on the 768 00:24:06,778 --> 00:24:08,012 boulevard, at least in the 769 00:24:08,012 --> 00:24:09,814 boulevard, you know, uh, get 770 00:24:09,814 --> 00:24:11,382 them out of the streets. People 771 00:24:11,382 --> 00:24:13,284 can't park out there, you know, 772 00:24:13,284 --> 00:24:15,720 over my, my neck of the woods 773 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,988 we don't have driveways in a 774 00:24:16,988 --> 00:24:18,423 lot of places. 775 00:24:18,423 --> 00:24:19,157 cause they're renters and they 776 00:24:19,157 --> 00:24:21,859 got to park on the streets, not 777 00:24:21,859 --> 00:24:23,161 with 50 garbage cans up and 778 00:24:23,161 --> 00:24:25,229 down the roads. So my question 779 00:24:25,229 --> 00:24:26,698 is, corporation council, if you 780 00:24:26,698 --> 00:24:28,467 could check, I just, I just 781 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:30,068 think it's, you know, we, we 782 00:24:30,068 --> 00:24:32,570 sit in front of a an audi 783 00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:35,140 audience on Tuesdays, put out 784 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:36,608 newsletters and and bills or 785 00:24:36,608 --> 00:24:38,043 whatever and and remind people, 786 00:24:38,043 --> 00:24:39,444 you know, when you're garbage 787 00:24:39,444 --> 00:24:40,679 gets dumped. 788 00:24:40,679 --> 00:24:42,080 drag your cans back up 789 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,749 you know, you, you, you'd, have to carry your 790 00:24:44,749 --> 00:24:46,918 garbage out to the street to 791 00:24:46,918 --> 00:24:48,119 put them in the cans. It'd be 792 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,487 simpler for the people just to 793 00:24:49,487 --> 00:24:50,455 reach out the door and put it 794 00:24:50,455 --> 00:24:52,123 in the can and then haul it out 795 00:24:52,123 --> 00:24:55,627 once a week. So I mean it's, common courtesy but, but 796 00:24:55,627 --> 00:24:56,661 again it's just, it's an 797 00:24:56,661 --> 00:24:58,162 eyesore, you know. Yes, sir. 798 00:24:58,162 --> 00:24:59,697 And if you have specific uh 799 00:24:59,697 --> 00:25:01,800 locations I'd be glad to to. 800 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,635 whole North End. No, I, I don't 801 00:25:03,635 --> 00:25:05,703 need that. That's not, there's, 802 00:25:05,703 --> 00:25:08,106 yeah, no, no, I can, I can give 803 00:25:08,106 --> 00:25:09,974 you but blocks and, and blocks, 804 00:25:09,974 --> 00:25:11,443 you know. 805 00:25:11,443 --> 00:25:14,379 so thank you, thank 806 00:25:14,379 --> 00:25:15,479 you. Alderman Carlson, do you 807 00:25:15,479 --> 00:25:16,380 need the record, just quickly, 808 00:25:16,380 --> 00:25:17,382 all of them are offered a good 809 00:25:17,382 --> 00:25:18,616 point on the garbage, but you 810 00:25:18,616 --> 00:25:19,751 brought up and 811 00:25:19,751 --> 00:25:21,753 do you know, have we written a 812 00:25:21,753 --> 00:25:22,787 ticket for someone not 813 00:25:22,787 --> 00:25:24,122 shoveling their drive you, we 814 00:25:24,122 --> 00:25:26,358 have, we have done that. 815 00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:28,059 wow. OK. Did, did you need the 816 00:25:28,059 --> 00:25:30,161 director? 817 00:25:30,161 --> 00:25:32,197 We have done that for not 818 00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:33,331 shoveling their sidewalk. I've 819 00:25:33,331 --> 00:25:34,765 had, I've had a, uh, I can't 820 00:25:34,765 --> 00:25:35,900 say we haven't. But Larry, you 821 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:37,602 know, we, I, I know I'm a guy 822 00:25:37,602 --> 00:25:39,437 that called me that he got a 823 00:25:39,437 --> 00:25:41,405 ticket and to shovel his walk. 824 00:25:41,405 --> 00:25:42,439 Now whether his neighbors just 825 00:25:42,439 --> 00:25:43,908 don't like him, I don't know 826 00:25:43,908 --> 00:25:46,244 that, but and and those are 827 00:25:46,244 --> 00:25:47,311 generated by specific 828 00:25:47,311 --> 00:25:48,813 complaints. That's exactly what 829 00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:49,581 you know 830 00:25:49,581 --> 00:25:52,650 it wasn't your house, was it? 831 00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:53,584 I'm not gonna tell you who, but 832 00:25:53,584 --> 00:25:56,121 I'm just kidding. 833 00:25:56,121 --> 00:25:56,888 I'm kidding. mine's always 834 00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:58,189 shoveled. 835 00:25:58,189 --> 00:25:59,190 Thank you, Mayor. That's all I 836 00:25:59,190 --> 00:26:00,258 have. All right, thank you. 837 00:26:00,258 --> 00:26:01,593 Anything else, Ottoman Rockford? 838 00:26:01,593 --> 00:26:02,593 No, thank you very much, thank 839 00:26:02,593 --> 00:26:04,161 you, thank you, Director. Uh, 840 00:26:04,161 --> 00:26:05,629 with that, we will go to 841 00:26:05,629 --> 00:26:06,764 citizens who have signed up in 842 00:26:06,764 --> 00:26:07,898 advance to address the council, 843 00:26:07,898 --> 00:26:09,000 Clerk Redpath. 844 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:34,559 and 845 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:37,395 evening everybody. Happy 2026. 846 00:26:37,395 --> 00:26:38,496 Hopefully we do better this 847 00:26:38,496 --> 00:26:40,832 year, all of us, not just you 848 00:26:40,832 --> 00:26:42,100 guys, me included. We've all 849 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:43,234 got work to do. 850 00:26:43,234 --> 00:26:44,769 And I think Sean brought up 851 00:26:44,769 --> 00:26:45,737 some really important points 852 00:26:45,737 --> 00:26:48,840 about the work that needs done. 853 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,641 We've watched at this council 854 00:26:50,641 --> 00:26:52,210 in the last year and a half and 855 00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:53,377 before that, black 856 00:26:53,377 --> 00:26:54,278 organizations come up here for 857 00:26:54,278 --> 00:26:56,247 money, as well as the East Side 858 00:26:56,247 --> 00:26:58,149 divisions. And I have done 859 00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:58,983 everything short of being 860 00:26:58,983 --> 00:27:01,119 forced to put on a minstrel 861 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,022 show for a pittance of money. 862 00:27:04,022 --> 00:27:06,457 $30,000 50,000 dollars. 863 00:27:06,457 --> 00:27:07,659 Money that we watch flow out of 864 00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:09,827 the door. You guys literally 865 00:27:09,827 --> 00:27:11,496 shoved that entire agenda out 866 00:27:11,496 --> 00:27:12,430 the door. That was millions of 867 00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:14,866 dollars, guys. 868 00:27:14,866 --> 00:27:16,367 And yet I've sat here for an 869 00:27:16,367 --> 00:27:18,002 hour and a half, watch Better 870 00:27:18,002 --> 00:27:20,204 Life, Better Living for Kids. 871 00:27:20,204 --> 00:27:21,739 Have to do everything short to 872 00:27:21,739 --> 00:27:23,474 tell you their secret, their 873 00:27:23,474 --> 00:27:24,775 absolute secrets, right? Like 874 00:27:24,775 --> 00:27:25,977 literally like stuff they 875 00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:27,478 wouldn't even tell their wives 876 00:27:27,478 --> 00:27:28,612 to get some money from you guys. 877 00:27:28,612 --> 00:27:29,680 That was actually ready to be 878 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,915 imbursed. 879 00:27:30,915 --> 00:27:32,283 It's fascinating 880 00:27:32,283 --> 00:27:33,851 The amount of work that we make 881 00:27:33,851 --> 00:27:35,086 the East side do to receive 882 00:27:35,086 --> 00:27:36,821 money for things. 883 00:27:36,821 --> 00:27:38,456 And the idea that a cannabis 884 00:27:38,456 --> 00:27:40,224 grant, which by the way was 885 00:27:40,224 --> 00:27:42,060 established by the governor 886 00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:43,461 here in Illinois to help do 887 00:27:43,461 --> 00:27:45,063 what? 888 00:27:45,063 --> 00:27:47,031 Repair the damage done by 889 00:27:47,031 --> 00:27:48,666 decades of an erroneous war on 890 00:27:48,666 --> 00:27:50,401 drugs that we're now seeing our 891 00:27:50,401 --> 00:27:52,003 president drag the corpse out 892 00:27:52,003 --> 00:27:53,171 of the closet and put on 893 00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:55,140 display again. 894 00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:57,108 The war on drugs failed. Drugs 895 00:27:57,108 --> 00:27:58,643 won everybody. I can go buy 896 00:27:58,643 --> 00:28:00,444 some right now, and you guys 897 00:28:00,444 --> 00:28:01,913 get benefits from it. 898 00:28:01,913 --> 00:28:04,448 And one of the explicit 899 00:28:04,448 --> 00:28:06,217 instructions about where that 900 00:28:06,217 --> 00:28:08,319 money went was the 901 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:09,821 neighborhoods that were 902 00:28:09,821 --> 00:28:11,956 disenfranchised by an undue 903 00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:13,691 police presence that created a 904 00:28:13,691 --> 00:28:15,193 school to prison pipeline that 905 00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:17,061 put 1 in 4 black men under the 906 00:28:17,061 --> 00:28:19,330 age of 40 in prison. 907 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:20,965 And yet we're saying that 908 00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:23,601 felons don't have access. 909 00:28:23,601 --> 00:28:25,970 Why, why don't they have access? 910 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:27,238 Are they not disenfranchised 911 00:28:27,238 --> 00:28:29,006 enough for you fine folks? 912 00:28:29,006 --> 00:28:31,642 Have we not gotten our blood 913 00:28:31,642 --> 00:28:33,278 from them yet? 914 00:28:33,278 --> 00:28:34,812 with their time served in a 915 00:28:34,812 --> 00:28:36,214 society that fails to forgive 916 00:28:36,214 --> 00:28:38,115 people that have in fact served 917 00:28:38,115 --> 00:28:39,584 their time. 918 00:28:39,584 --> 00:28:41,586 I had somebody this week print 919 00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:42,787 up my county record for the 920 00:28:42,787 --> 00:28:45,022 crimes I committed in my youth, 921 00:28:45,022 --> 00:28:46,090 and try and disparage me for 922 00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:47,792 the choices I made. 923 00:28:47,792 --> 00:28:49,160 In a neighborhood they never 924 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,162 grew up in and circumstances 925 00:28:51,162 --> 00:28:53,298 you've never considered 926 00:28:53,298 --> 00:28:54,732 and it's frustrating to think 927 00:28:54,732 --> 00:28:55,767 about the idea that there are 928 00:28:55,767 --> 00:28:57,034 people who had it 10 times 929 00:28:57,034 --> 00:28:57,902 harder than me. 930 00:28:57,902 --> 00:28:58,936 cause I'm not going to play a 931 00:28:58,936 --> 00:29:00,772 tiny violin for my life, but 932 00:29:00,772 --> 00:29:01,606 quite frankly, those things 933 00:29:01,606 --> 00:29:03,875 still haunt me. 934 00:29:03,875 --> 00:29:05,243 So it's frustrating to think 935 00:29:05,243 --> 00:29:06,844 about the idea that a program 936 00:29:06,844 --> 00:29:08,746 that was created with the 937 00:29:08,746 --> 00:29:10,248 intention of helping repair 938 00:29:10,248 --> 00:29:11,849 some of that damage has a 939 00:29:11,849 --> 00:29:13,718 barrier in front of it that 940 00:29:13,718 --> 00:29:15,652 would prevent the very people 941 00:29:15,652 --> 00:29:16,887 that were disenfranchised in 942 00:29:16,887 --> 00:29:18,656 the first place from accessing 943 00:29:18,656 --> 00:29:20,324 it. Additionally, the idea that 944 00:29:20,324 --> 00:29:21,359 a lot of that funding, where 945 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:22,727 does it go? 946 00:29:22,727 --> 00:29:23,728 You guys just approved it 947 00:29:23,728 --> 00:29:26,831 tonight. I'm sure you know. 948 00:29:26,831 --> 00:29:29,433 to the very police force's 949 00:29:29,433 --> 00:29:30,668 pensions. 950 00:29:30,668 --> 00:29:32,803 Some of the very officers that 951 00:29:32,803 --> 00:29:34,538 participated in that war on 952 00:29:34,538 --> 00:29:35,306 drugs. 953 00:29:35,306 --> 00:29:36,774 We fund their retirement with 954 00:29:36,774 --> 00:29:38,309 that money. 955 00:29:38,309 --> 00:29:40,879 What's their barrier 956 00:29:40,879 --> 00:29:42,881 Do they have one 957 00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:44,849 I'm not aware of one. I don't 958 00:29:44,849 --> 00:29:45,616 see anything in front of them 959 00:29:45,616 --> 00:29:47,318 to get that money. 960 00:29:47,318 --> 00:29:48,786 We pushed the button on that 961 00:29:48,786 --> 00:29:49,821 the second it comes up. You 962 00:29:49,821 --> 00:29:50,721 don't want to piss off the 963 00:29:50,721 --> 00:29:52,590 union, do you? 964 00:29:52,590 --> 00:29:53,791 But you don't mind upsetting 965 00:29:53,791 --> 00:29:55,593 the east side. 966 00:29:55,593 --> 00:29:57,595 You don't mind creating another 967 00:29:57,595 --> 00:29:58,863 feasibility study and stacking 968 00:29:58,863 --> 00:30:00,565 it on the shelf with decades of 969 00:30:00,565 --> 00:30:02,233 them, talking about developing 970 00:30:02,233 --> 00:30:04,602 my side of town. 971 00:30:04,602 --> 00:30:05,669 When's that gonna happen? It 972 00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:07,638 took 40 years to get sidewalks 973 00:30:07,638 --> 00:30:09,941 fixed in front of my house. 40 974 00:30:09,941 --> 00:30:11,008 years, it's the number one 975 00:30:11,008 --> 00:30:12,509 reason they stopped. Young 976 00:30:12,509 --> 00:30:14,178 black men on the east side, 977 00:30:14,178 --> 00:30:16,414 walking in the street. 978 00:30:16,414 --> 00:30:17,682 I mean, these things are all 979 00:30:17,682 --> 00:30:19,350 connected and, and a thing like 980 00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:20,685 the 1908 Race Riot Commission. 981 00:30:20,685 --> 00:30:21,619 I hope you guys approve it 10 982 00:30:21,619 --> 00:30:22,720 to 0. 983 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,689 because if you don't, your 984 00:30:24,689 --> 00:30:26,057 motives will be suspect at this 985 00:30:26,057 --> 00:30:26,958 point. 986 00:30:26,958 --> 00:30:29,927 The idea that somebody who 987 00:30:29,927 --> 00:30:31,662 recused themselves from voting 988 00:30:31,662 --> 00:30:33,397 on a city contract for a family 989 00:30:33,397 --> 00:30:34,632 member who, by the way, was 990 00:30:34,632 --> 00:30:35,833 employed by the city for over 991 00:30:35,833 --> 00:30:38,402 20 plus years. He retired two 992 00:30:38,402 --> 00:30:39,938 years ago, and now we're paying 993 00:30:39,938 --> 00:30:41,605 them 50K for a consulting 994 00:30:41,605 --> 00:30:43,274 contract. 995 00:30:43,274 --> 00:30:44,709 What's the fine line work on 996 00:30:44,709 --> 00:30:46,177 that one. 997 00:30:46,177 --> 00:30:48,245 We make him do a dance for that 998 00:30:48,245 --> 00:30:51,048 or we just go, ah, go on. Ralph 999 00:30:51,048 --> 00:30:52,216 and Scotty gets some more money 1000 00:30:52,216 --> 00:30:55,553 out of the city. 1001 00:30:55,553 --> 00:30:57,222 That's a joke. It should 1002 00:30:57,222 --> 00:30:59,023 embarrass all of you. 1003 00:30:59,023 --> 00:31:01,025 that we have to consider 1004 00:31:01,025 --> 00:31:03,160 creating a commission to access 1005 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,662 money. that was specifically 1006 00:31:04,662 --> 00:31:06,163 earmarked to help a side of 1007 00:31:06,163 --> 00:31:07,331 town that has been 1008 00:31:07,331 --> 00:31:08,966 disenfranchised in a way that 1009 00:31:08,966 --> 00:31:11,803 is almost indescribable. 1010 00:31:11,803 --> 00:31:13,471 The quiet indignity and 1011 00:31:13,471 --> 00:31:14,839 humiliation of living with a 1012 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,107 felony in this world and not 1013 00:31:16,107 --> 00:31:17,274 even being able to receive a 1014 00:31:17,274 --> 00:31:18,642 decent job because of it. 1015 00:31:18,642 --> 00:31:22,480 Despite serving your time in a, world that is focused on 1016 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,681 making you be punished for 1017 00:31:23,681 --> 00:31:26,417 those crimes. 1018 00:31:26,417 --> 00:31:27,718 It's absolutely disgusting. I'm 1019 00:31:27,718 --> 00:31:29,153 gonna spend my last 5 seconds 1020 00:31:29,153 --> 00:31:30,821 talking about the budget 1021 00:31:30,821 --> 00:31:33,624 workshops on January 14th, 15th, 1022 00:31:33,624 --> 00:31:35,325 the 22nd, February 3rd, 1023 00:31:35,325 --> 00:31:36,594 February 10th, and February 1024 00:31:36,594 --> 00:31:38,329 17th. If you're a citizen of 1025 00:31:38,329 --> 00:31:39,830 Springfield, please come out. 1026 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:41,832 They're gonna be talking about 1027 00:31:41,832 --> 00:31:44,402 the budget for 2026 for every 1028 00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:45,836 major city department. I 1029 00:31:45,836 --> 00:31:47,738 encourage you to Thank you. 1030 00:31:47,738 --> 00:31:48,772 Alderwoman Matriano, did you 1031 00:31:48,772 --> 00:31:49,573 have something you wanted to 1032 00:31:49,573 --> 00:31:51,542 say? I did. Thank you, Mayor. 1033 00:31:51,542 --> 00:31:54,945 Um, I just wanted to correct, 1034 00:31:54,945 --> 00:31:57,848 uh, what Mr. Pacia just said, 1035 00:31:57,848 --> 00:31:59,417 um, Alderman Hanauer did not 1036 00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:01,285 recuse himself. He asked to be 1037 00:32:01,285 --> 00:32:03,687 counted as present. I guess he 1038 00:32:03,687 --> 00:32:05,823 was not given any advice on how 1039 00:32:05,823 --> 00:32:06,991 he should vote. 1040 00:32:06,991 --> 00:32:09,961 Thank you 1041 00:32:09,961 --> 00:32:21,239 Laurie Laurie, um, McKiernan. 1042 00:32:21,239 --> 00:32:22,806 Good evening. My first topic 1043 00:32:22,806 --> 00:32:25,043 tonight is funding for an IRP. 1044 00:32:25,043 --> 00:32:25,910 On my days and nights these 1045 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:26,944 days are filled with data 1046 00:32:26,944 --> 00:32:27,911 centers right now, so I don't 1047 00:32:27,911 --> 00:32:29,680 know if I'll be able to attend 1048 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,482 the CWLP budget hearing or city 1049 00:32:31,482 --> 00:32:32,650 council meetings leading up to 1050 00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:33,317 it. 1051 00:32:33,317 --> 00:32:35,352 In the FY 26 budget, you 1052 00:32:35,352 --> 00:32:38,722 approved $600,000 for an IRP, 1053 00:32:38,722 --> 00:32:40,524 um, CWLP delayed and didn't 1054 00:32:40,524 --> 00:32:42,093 begin the IRP process, so the 1055 00:32:42,093 --> 00:32:43,694 money was forfeited as it was 1056 00:32:43,694 --> 00:32:44,662 explained to me. It doesn't 1057 00:32:44,662 --> 00:32:46,297 carry over into the next budget. 1058 00:32:46,397 --> 00:32:48,399 Mayor Busher and Doug Brown 1059 00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:49,967 convinced me not to worry that 1060 00:32:49,967 --> 00:32:51,268 the money, money would be 1061 00:32:51,268 --> 00:32:53,704 included in the FY 27 budget. 1062 00:32:53,704 --> 00:32:55,006 So I didn't see a line item for 1063 00:32:55,006 --> 00:32:56,307 the IRP in the budget when I 1064 00:32:56,307 --> 00:32:57,641 looked online. I don't know if 1065 00:32:57,641 --> 00:32:59,243 it warrants its own line item, 1066 00:32:59,243 --> 00:33:00,377 but I'm here tonight just to 1067 00:33:00,377 --> 00:33:01,645 remind you that Sergia, the 1068 00:33:01,645 --> 00:33:04,014 clean and reliable grid 1069 00:33:04,014 --> 00:33:05,749 Affordability Act requires 1070 00:33:05,749 --> 00:33:07,451 municipal utilities to do an 1071 00:33:07,451 --> 00:33:09,954 IRP by 2027. So I hope to hear 1072 00:33:09,954 --> 00:33:11,822 an IRP mentioned in the, the 1073 00:33:11,822 --> 00:33:13,557 budget hearing for CWLP. 1074 00:33:13,557 --> 00:33:15,093 So speaking of data centers 1075 00:33:15,093 --> 00:33:16,460 um, I want to tell you about 1076 00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:17,928 Batavia, Illinois's recently 1077 00:33:17,928 --> 00:33:19,864 approved data center. Batavia 1078 00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:21,032 operates its own municipal 1079 00:33:21,032 --> 00:33:23,734 utility via Nimpa. Nimpa is the 1080 00:33:23,734 --> 00:33:25,035 northern Illinois municipal 1081 00:33:25,035 --> 00:33:26,570 Power Agency. It's similar to 1082 00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:28,672 IMEA that we see down here. Um, 1083 00:33:28,672 --> 00:33:29,773 they get their electricity from 1084 00:33:29,773 --> 00:33:31,475 Prairie State, the coal-burning 1085 00:33:31,475 --> 00:33:32,476 power plant southeast of St. 1086 00:33:32,476 --> 00:33:34,278 Louis, and they use comE 1087 00:33:34,278 --> 00:33:36,380 transmission lines and grid. 1088 00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:37,882 Hut 8 is the developer in 1089 00:33:37,882 --> 00:33:40,217 Batavia, the same developer 1090 00:33:40,217 --> 00:33:41,752 proposing a 500 megawatt data 1091 00:33:41,752 --> 00:33:43,587 center in Logan County. Hut 8 1092 00:33:43,587 --> 00:33:45,256 will be building a 500 megawatt 1093 00:33:45,256 --> 00:33:47,058 data center in Batavia. 1094 00:33:47,058 --> 00:33:48,726 So Batavia's similarity to 1095 00:33:48,726 --> 00:33:50,528 Springfield in that that it has 1096 00:33:50,528 --> 00:33:52,329 its own municipal utility, even 1097 00:33:52,329 --> 00:33:53,330 though they don't generate 1098 00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:54,899 their own power. 1099 00:33:54,899 --> 00:33:56,367 In Batavia's contract with the 1100 00:33:56,367 --> 00:33:57,835 developer, the city required 1101 00:33:57,835 --> 00:33:59,770 the developer to buy their 1102 00:33:59,770 --> 00:34:01,706 power directly from PJM. That's 1103 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:03,241 their grid operator, similar to 1104 00:34:03,241 --> 00:34:05,142 Myso down here. Batavia did 1105 00:34:05,142 --> 00:34:06,577 that because they, they don't 1106 00:34:06,577 --> 00:34:07,411 have enough power to support 1107 00:34:07,411 --> 00:34:09,447 the data center. 1108 00:34:09,447 --> 00:34:10,848 The developer is proud to claim 1109 00:34:10,848 --> 00:34:11,983 that they're paying for the 1110 00:34:11,983 --> 00:34:16,254 grid updates. They'd like to, make shiny promises. Um, 1111 00:34:16,254 --> 00:34:17,254 however, the substation that 1112 00:34:17,254 --> 00:34:19,657 will service the data center is 1113 00:34:19,657 --> 00:34:21,358 owned by Batavia's municipal 1114 00:34:21,358 --> 00:34:24,028 utility. It has a capacity of 1115 00:34:24,028 --> 00:34:26,030 150 megawatts. Batavia's 1116 00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:28,065 utility can reach a peak of 85 1117 00:34:28,065 --> 00:34:29,833 megawatts in the data center at 1118 00:34:29,833 --> 00:34:31,802 its peak will, um, use up to 50 1119 00:34:31,802 --> 00:34:34,305 megawatts, leaving only a spare 1120 00:34:34,305 --> 00:34:36,307 15 megawatts of capacity on 1121 00:34:36,307 --> 00:34:37,841 that substation for future 1122 00:34:37,841 --> 00:34:39,076 energy users once the data 1123 00:34:39,076 --> 00:34:40,110 center's online. 1124 00:34:40,110 --> 00:34:41,478 So until that substation is 1125 00:34:41,478 --> 00:34:43,047 upgraded, the city is limited 1126 00:34:43,047 --> 00:34:44,215 on the economic development 1127 00:34:44,215 --> 00:34:45,383 they can do. 1128 00:34:45,383 --> 00:34:46,416 So in their negotiations with 1129 00:34:46,416 --> 00:34:47,818 the developer, the city 1130 00:34:47,818 --> 00:34:48,752 neglected to require the 1131 00:34:48,752 --> 00:34:50,254 developer to pay for that 1132 00:34:50,254 --> 00:34:51,322 substation upgrade, so the 1133 00:34:51,322 --> 00:34:52,656 customers in Batavia are paying 1134 00:34:52,656 --> 00:34:53,290 for it. 1135 00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:54,792 So my point with all that 1136 00:34:54,792 --> 00:34:57,995 information is that a municipal 1137 00:34:57,995 --> 00:35:00,431 muti municipal utility made a 1138 00:35:00,431 --> 00:35:01,832 contract and approved a data 1139 00:35:01,832 --> 00:35:03,133 center without using their own 1140 00:35:03,133 --> 00:35:05,169 power. CWLP has said several 1141 00:35:05,169 --> 00:35:06,270 times that Springfield will 1142 00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:07,705 never have a data center 1143 00:35:07,705 --> 00:35:08,839 because they don't generate 1144 00:35:08,839 --> 00:35:10,474 enough power to support one and 1145 00:35:10,474 --> 00:35:11,742 Springfield doesn't have land 1146 00:35:11,742 --> 00:35:13,077 available to build on. 1147 00:35:13,077 --> 00:35:14,378 But Batavia has shown that it 1148 00:35:14,378 --> 00:35:16,347 can be done. There are 1149 00:35:16,347 --> 00:35:18,249 annexations from county to 1150 00:35:18,249 --> 00:35:20,217 cities and re rezoning from 1151 00:35:20,217 --> 00:35:22,086 agricultural to conditional use 1152 00:35:22,086 --> 00:35:23,587 to accommodate data centers all 1153 00:35:23,587 --> 00:35:24,922 over the state, all over the 1154 00:35:24,922 --> 00:35:25,923 country 1155 00:35:25,923 --> 00:35:27,191 Data centers are being built 1156 00:35:27,191 --> 00:35:28,626 purely for investment and 1157 00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:30,094 profit for tech billionaires 1158 00:35:30,094 --> 00:35:32,029 and private equity firms like 1159 00:35:32,029 --> 00:35:33,831 BlackRock. They rarely provide 1160 00:35:33,831 --> 00:35:35,633 any benefit to communities. 1161 00:35:35,633 --> 00:35:37,968 Even the projected tax revenues 1162 00:35:37,968 --> 00:35:40,003 are just that projections, 1163 00:35:40,003 --> 00:35:41,472 their promises, promises of tax 1164 00:35:41,472 --> 00:35:42,840 revenues that can be appealed 1165 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,141 and reduced after the data 1166 00:35:44,141 --> 00:35:45,142 center is built. 1167 00:35:45,142 --> 00:35:46,944 So again, my point is it can 1168 00:35:46,944 --> 00:35:48,379 happen here. Data center 1169 00:35:48,379 --> 00:35:50,014 developers have the financial 1170 00:35:50,014 --> 00:35:51,449 backing to fund just about any 1171 00:35:51,449 --> 00:35:53,551 obstacle put in front of them. 1172 00:35:53,551 --> 00:35:55,553 The only thing stopping them is 1173 00:35:55,553 --> 00:35:57,221 zoning re regulations and once 1174 00:35:57,221 --> 00:35:58,756 a permit has been filed, it's 1175 00:35:58,756 --> 00:36:00,357 difficult to change those 1176 00:36:00,357 --> 00:36:02,293 regulations and make them apply 1177 00:36:02,293 --> 00:36:04,628 to an open permit applications. 1178 00:36:04,628 --> 00:36:05,863 So my ask is that you Mayor 1179 00:36:05,863 --> 00:36:07,364 Busher, City council, and Mr. 1180 00:36:07,364 --> 00:36:09,600 Murdock begin looking at what 1181 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,568 Springfield can do regarding 1182 00:36:11,568 --> 00:36:13,070 data center zoning regulations. 1183 00:36:13,070 --> 00:36:14,104 We already have a data center 1184 00:36:14,104 --> 00:36:15,939 knocking at our back door, 1185 00:36:15,939 --> 00:36:17,374 ignoring this issue is reckless 1186 00:36:17,374 --> 00:36:18,842 and has the potential to allow 1187 00:36:18,842 --> 00:36:20,678 the blight of a data center on 1188 00:36:20,678 --> 00:36:23,013 our front steps. Thank you. 1189 00:36:23,013 --> 00:36:24,949 clerk. 1190 00:36:24,949 --> 00:36:44,969 Vanessa Knox 1191 00:36:44,969 --> 00:36:47,238 Good evening 1192 00:36:47,238 --> 00:36:48,339 Thank you for allowing me to be 1193 00:36:48,339 --> 00:36:51,642 here. 1194 00:36:51,642 --> 00:36:54,211 um, I just wanna reiterate, uh, 1195 00:36:54,211 --> 00:36:55,613 last part of 1196 00:36:55,613 --> 00:36:56,380 He's. 1197 00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:58,315 plea, we are asking the 1198 00:36:58,315 --> 00:37:00,217 community to make sure that 1199 00:37:00,217 --> 00:37:03,220 they come out for 1200 00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:05,022 the budget workshops starting 1201 00:37:05,022 --> 00:37:06,857 next week, Wednesday, January 1202 00:37:06,857 --> 00:37:09,093 14th at 5:30. All of this 1203 00:37:09,093 --> 00:37:10,861 information is on the the 1204 00:37:10,861 --> 00:37:12,062 website sometimes it's a little 1205 00:37:12,062 --> 00:37:13,931 hard to get it so I just want 1206 00:37:13,931 --> 00:37:16,366 to reiterate, uh, January 14th, 1207 00:37:16,366 --> 00:37:17,701 that's the first budget 1208 00:37:17,701 --> 00:37:19,236 workshop, uh, that we'll be 1209 00:37:19,236 --> 00:37:20,404 dealing with the overview, 1210 00:37:20,404 --> 00:37:21,805 treasurer, city clerk, city 1211 00:37:21,805 --> 00:37:25,342 council, mayor, and the SCVP is 1212 00:37:25,342 --> 00:37:27,143 dealing with the visitors, uh, 1213 00:37:27,143 --> 00:37:29,045 bureau for Springfield. 1214 00:37:29,045 --> 00:37:32,416 Thursday, January 15th at 5:30 1215 00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:33,417 will be the second 1216 00:37:33,417 --> 00:37:35,052 budget workshop, uh, dealing 1217 00:37:35,052 --> 00:37:37,121 with library OPET, uh, human 1218 00:37:37,121 --> 00:37:40,090 resources, Public works, OBM, 1219 00:37:40,090 --> 00:37:41,191 I'm not sure on that one if 1220 00:37:41,191 --> 00:37:42,126 Amira could let me know what 1221 00:37:42,126 --> 00:37:46,430 OBM Office of Budget Management, OK. Thursday, 1222 00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:49,133 January 22nd, 5:30, 3rd budget 1223 00:37:49,133 --> 00:37:50,567 workshop that will be dealing 1224 00:37:50,567 --> 00:37:53,036 with police, fire, and CWLP. 1225 00:37:53,036 --> 00:37:54,939 A lot of groups come down here 1226 00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:56,940 more are of course watching 1227 00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:59,009 that can fit down here. We need 1228 00:37:59,009 --> 00:38:00,944 everyone to come out if you 1229 00:38:00,944 --> 00:38:02,846 have concerns, if you have 1230 00:38:02,846 --> 00:38:04,214 things you just wanna talk 1231 00:38:04,214 --> 00:38:08,218 about or ask questions please, please come to these 1232 00:38:08,218 --> 00:38:10,554 workshops. Money is what makes 1233 00:38:10,554 --> 00:38:12,956 a lot of these efforts happen 1234 00:38:12,956 --> 00:38:14,992 in Springfield, so we're asking 1235 00:38:14,992 --> 00:38:16,727 that you come out 1236 00:38:16,727 --> 00:38:19,096 voice your concerns, ask your 1237 00:38:19,096 --> 00:38:21,532 questions, uh, be there to be 1238 00:38:21,532 --> 00:38:22,199 part of the solution for some 1239 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:23,366 of these things. Thank you. 1240 00:38:23,366 --> 00:38:25,936 Clerk 1241 00:38:25,936 --> 00:38:30,508 Roy Walton. 1242 00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:32,209 Mr. Walton, are you here 1243 00:38:32,209 --> 00:38:33,411 Sitting here. All right 1244 00:38:33,411 --> 00:38:35,346 Motion 1245 00:38:35,346 --> 00:38:37,012 Do adjourned second. We h